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| DaemonFC | hmmm, there's a sex offender living downstairs | Dec 19 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | What specifically? | Dec 19 00:23 |
| schestowitz | *Your* 'downstairs'? | Dec 19 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Dec 19 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | the apartment downstairs | Dec 19 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/details.do?sid=366101.011 | Dec 19 00:29 |
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| oiaohm | http://jalopnik.com/5428829/ham-cramwich-25000-of-communications-gear-in-a-500-car Ok this is down right wrong. | Dec 19 00:29 |
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| DaemonFC | Criminal Sexual Conduct, it's an out of state charge | Dec 19 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | from Michigan | Dec 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Short dude | Dec 19 00:31 |
| schestowitz | How did'ja find out and why? | Dec 19 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | he got 2 years apparently and 10 years notification | Dec 19 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | must be a D Felony or something | Dec 19 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | I suspected | Dec 19 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | see him move in with his mom, few possessions, just came from Michigan | Dec 19 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | no car, rides a bike around | Dec 19 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's enough to make you suspect he had done something wrong | Dec 19 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll try to rape you *LOL* | Dec 19 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm, lol indeed | Dec 19 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Dec 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | You should come down, knock on the door and ask him about it :-D | Dec 19 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | sex with someone under 16 looks like what he did | Dec 19 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | he's straight, I guarantee it | Dec 19 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Well, he's a small guy | Dec 19 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | and what does that mean? | Dec 19 00:35 |
| schestowitz | SMall guy | Dec 19 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Physically small | Dec 19 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm, so? | Dec 19 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | so he might not be able to beat the shit out of me if he gets good and pissed off? | Dec 19 00:35 |
| schestowitz | It can mean all sorts of things | Dec 19 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Size is not everything. | Dec 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | No | Dec 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | ANd nothing to do with weapons and all | Dec 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | His offence | Dec 19 00:36 |
| oiaohm | A small person can beat the crap out a big person if they get a chance to hit the right place. | Dec 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes all sorts of people who go for young girls or are impotent or something | Dec 19 00:36 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Dec 19 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | impotent? | Dec 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Dec 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Sex offenders in general | Dec 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I think | Dec 19 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't say that | Dec 19 00:37 |
| schestowitz | THe logic goes, if he can't pull girls at the pub, then he might do illegal things | Dec 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz | That's the general logic here | Dec 19 00:38 |
| schestowitz | ANd BTW, I realise it's off-topic for this IRC channel | Dec 19 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Its far more complex of a topic schestowitz really better to stay away from it. Its just trying to work out why people attack systems. There are thousands of causes. | Dec 19 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 19 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it's Ryan who brought it up | Dec 19 00:44 |
| schestowitz | If he starts telling neighbours about it, then it may come to that dude's attention and he'll run after Ryan | Dec 19 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Dec 19 00:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Enables Car-driving Over #Internet http://www.voxy.co.nz/technology/drive-car-over-internet/893/33825 | Dec 19 00:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Provides Nightmare Experience on Desktop Compared to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/i6js | Dec 19 01:06 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, you can't say a thing | Dec 19 01:10 |
| schestowitz | When I was about 16 a colleague told me our boss was lesbian | Dec 19 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I told this to another person and eventually it sort of went backwards and she accused *me* | Dec 19 01:11 |
| schestowitz | But this guy is not boss, he's a convicted felon | Dec 19 01:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Promotes #GNU #Linux with Instant-On USB Keys, #Mandriva Too http://ur1.ca/i6k4 http://ur1.ca/i6k5 | Dec 19 01:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #Scheduler in Latest #Linux http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-completely-fair-scheduler/index.html #cfs | Dec 19 01:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early Review of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 (Alpha 1) http://ur1.ca/i6km http://ur1.ca/i6kn | Dec 19 01:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux on $99 PC; With Windows, It's 50% More Expensive http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/norhtec-gecko-surfboard-keyboard-pc-18-12-009/ | Dec 19 01:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google to Enter Sub-notebooks Market Directly, with Own Hardware and GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/i6l7 | Dec 19 01:36 | |
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| notzed | be nice if it were arm based | Dec 19 01:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Company to Enter Sub-notebooks Market with #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/i6la | Dec 19 01:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amberdms Born as #FreeSoftware in Free Software Stack http://ur1.ca/i6lb #lamp | Dec 19 01:38 | |
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| schestowitz | notzed: some will be | Dec 19 01:38 |
| notzed | i've got a couple of beagleboards but never had the drive to play with them much | Dec 19 01:39 |
| notzed | i think there will be more andriod/googleos type os's around in the future, where linux is just used as a hardware driver layer. all the other free os's spend too much time writing drivers, many which are locked up using proprietary blobs which only linux supports | Dec 19 01:42 |
| schestowitz | What do you think of Android? | Dec 19 01:45 |
| notzed | it doesn't work with a keyboard and mouse? i tried it on the beagleboard but it was pretty 'well it's a phone-os and this isn't a phone' :) | Dec 19 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Android can work without keyboard and mouse. | Dec 19 01:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Gets #Chrome Features http://techie-buzz.com/firefox/mozilla-firefox-multiprocess.html | Dec 19 01:46 | |
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| notzed | the idea/architecture sounds good though | Dec 19 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Android I am waiting for native code to get access to opengl ES | Dec 19 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Then I can just straight port qt apps to it. | Dec 19 01:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3 More (New) Transformations to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/i6ly http://ur1.ca/i6lz http://ur1.ca/i6m0 | Dec 19 01:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandy 's #IntellectualMonopolies /Copyrights Cartel Law Debates, Reality Strikes http://ur1.ca/i6mf #arrrrrr | Dec 19 02:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Copyright #Cartels Created Across Borders http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4627/125/ | Dec 19 02:05 | |
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| notzed | oh cool, aliens vs predator has been unbanned in oz | Dec 19 02:09 |
| bill_ | a tale of Balmer freaking out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GM4Lt5k24s | Dec 19 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's been two days since I was paid and I've already burned through about 55% of the monthly budget | Dec 19 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | this is going to be a bad month | Dec 19 02:10 |
| shreddar | LOL Bing! | Dec 19 02:10 |
| bill_ | Bing! mother effer Bing! - oh it's so funny watching the big ones fall. | Dec 19 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | Bing is big? | Dec 19 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm, there's a big demand for this 14 year old mediocre Microsoft game is more than I thought | Dec 19 02:19 |
| bill_ | what... solitaire or mines? har har har | Dec 19 02:20 |
| notzed | hmm, bells go bing. light-bulbs show above cartoon characters go 'bing'. people just don't go bing. they do say yahoo! though | Dec 19 02:20 |
| shreddar | What's margaret thatcher birthday? | Dec 19 02:22 |
| shreddar | Hold on let me bing her real quick. | Dec 19 02:22 |
| shreddar | Yep that's way better than google. | Dec 19 02:23 |
| notzed | it's not even a verb, tho according to dictionary.com: | Dec 19 02:25 |
| notzed | Bing - –verb (used without object) Obsolete. to go. Origin: 1560–70; orig. uncert. | Dec 19 02:25 |
| notzed | actually the british dialect definition looks about right: –noun British Dialect. a heap or pile. | Dec 19 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, _goblin wrote about it | Dec 19 02:34 |
| schestowitz | It's a real pile of *something* | Dec 19 02:34 |
| schestowitz | gn | Dec 19 02:38 |
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| schestowitz | ping tessier | Dec 19 02:49 |
| schestowitz | For the past 10 minutes or so I can't get the server to serve pages, even though I've trid restarting apache. It's similar to what happened last week | Dec 19 02:50 |
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| schestowitz | It seems to be working again now, don't know why | Dec 19 02:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Corporate Culture: “ #Bing up Your Ass, You’re Fired!” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/18/ex-microsoft-employee-confession/ | Dec 19 02:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh...."To Patronize and Annoy" on the side of Officer Barbrady's police car in SOuth Park :P | Dec 19 02:56 |
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| shreddar | Sometimes I think Balmer is a joke that Bill is playing on Microsoft. | Dec 19 03:27 |
| shreddar | Like as soom kind of prank Bill decided Balmer needed to be the public face of Microsoft. | Dec 19 03:28 |
| shreddar | He doesn't care he still make tons of money regardless. | Dec 19 03:28 |
| shreddar | Most of his income seems to be portfolio income. | Dec 19 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Windows reminds me of that scam a while back in Florida | Dec 19 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | These guys went and built houses, but to get them done fast and cheap they didn't harden them against hurricanes. | Dec 19 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | So they sell the house to some idiot from out of state who lives there a few years until a hurricane came and knocked it over. | Dec 19 03:35 |
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| DaemonFC | it's so easy to get away with because someone who has never lived in Florida might not be inclined to ask if the house is hurricane hardened. | Dec 19 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | What I'd like to see is something Bitlocker-like in Linux that can make use of the TPM | Dec 19 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | there's probably something like that already with no obvious way to use it | Dec 19 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I've been hesitant towards using disk encryption in Linux for reasons of performance and worrying about locking myself out by mistake | Dec 19 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used it in Windows because Microsoft bakes in backdoors for law enforcement to use anyway | Dec 19 03:40 |
| shreddar | I'd like to see a a webapp that lets you turn you undrm movies you get from iTunes and Amazon. | Dec 19 03:43 |
| shreddar | Like the ones that let you download youtube videos | Dec 19 03:44 |
| shreddar | II'd also want one that does that for DVDs. | Dec 19 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, undrm-ing is illegal in the US and will get you a big fat DMCA take-down note if they catch you hosting software that does it | Dec 19 03:45 |
| shreddar | What about out side of the US? | Dec 19 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | I used FairUse4WM to undrm a bunch of music from various DRM'd WMA stores | Dec 19 03:46 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly shreddar as a charity bill gates gets to push ms and other objectives while attempt to look good. | Dec 19 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: Most governments have something akin to the DMCA or worse | Dec 19 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | or no statute but they harass people that host things anyway | Dec 19 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | the DMCA is a very self-contradicting law anyway | Dec 19 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | like, you can break DRM through clean room reverse engineering for the purpose of establishing interoperability | Dec 19 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | so libdvdcss is probably legal so the media companies more or less leave it alone | Dec 19 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Dec 19 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | the way I understand it, ACTA's goal is a DMCA on steroids that removes the few consumer protections in the US law | Dec 19 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | and becomes an international treaty :) | Dec 19 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | DMCA wasn't exactly everything Big Media wanted, on a silver platter. It was close, but it's backfired on them enough for them to keep pressing for something more consumer-hostile. | Dec 19 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu used a DMCA take down order against the MPAA for example | Dec 19 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | over the University Toolkit which violated the GPL | Dec 19 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA/MPAA really want something that removes exemptions for reverse engineering for compatibility, and eliminates the (perhaps weak) protections of a jury trial for everyone they sue | Dec 19 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | they basically want the law changed to where instead of getting a court order for your ISP to identify you, filing a lawsuit, going through the process, etc., they would just send out a letter through your ISP ordering you to pay an arbitrary "settlement" and that's it | Dec 19 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | no establishing guilt, no jury to decide damages, just accusation, fine, the end | Dec 19 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's unconstitutional, but I wouldn't put it past them being able to get it anyway | Dec 19 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | PATRIOT ACT was already a nullification of the bill of rights, by statute | Dec 19 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | or an attempt anyway, some of it has been struck down as unconstitutional, but the thing is that what's constitutional or not is just some judge's opinion | Dec 19 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | nothing stops Congress from passing unconstitutional laws and letting the courts sort out the mess piece by piece later | Dec 19 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm really interested to see what happens with the healthcare bill which has more pages than War and Peace | Dec 19 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | no doubt they'll point to the "Commerce Clause" which is probably the worst-written part of the US Constitution | Dec 19 04:00 |
| shreddar | Well there is a upside at least. | Dec 19 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | this is what precisely? | Dec 19 04:05 |
| shreddar | Wait a minute. I'm thinking... | Dec 19 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans already won | Dec 19 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | Either they defeat the bill, which is a win | Dec 19 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | or they destroy Medicare, which is a win | Dec 19 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I think the Republicans win more if it passes, they've been trying to kill Medicare for like over 40 years now | Dec 19 04:08 |
| shreddar | Oh well, I'm sure I will think of it some other time. | Dec 19 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | this way it looks like the Democrats let it die on their watch | Dec 19 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | What's better than to win and tell the pissed off voters the other party ruined Medicare? | Dec 19 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare Part D didn't even do 1/10th the damage to the Medicare trust fund that putting 5 million more people on it | Dec 19 04:10 |
| shreddar | Are you one of those people who still think that one of the 2 parties has the public's interests at heart? | Dec 19 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | not really, the Republicans are just more open about it I guess | Dec 19 04:12 |
| notzed | just as much an example as the banks that `democracy' is about controlling the people, not serving them | Dec 19 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | $785 billion for the banks with no conditions.....check | Dec 19 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | cut food stamps by 15% and frisk them for more information than a TSA background check would need....check | Dec 19 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | Allow banks to keep throwing millions of people out of their homes via the county sheriff while using the $785 billion in taxpayer money to give record CEO bonuses.....check | Dec 19 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | Swell the Section 8 HUD Income Adjusted Housing program waiting list to 5 years and cut its funding.....check | Dec 19 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | Give companies who bring 65 jobs to Indiana after cutting 300 in Michigan $4 million dollars in property tax subsidization and $500,000 in "worker training" funds.....check | Dec 19 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | notzed: I'm quite well aware of how bad our government is | Dec 19 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | and both parties sign off on this stuff | Dec 19 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | so only a fucking morong (plenty of them) would believe the healthcare bill has anything beneficial to us in it | Dec 19 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | *moron | Dec 19 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I'm opposed to it | Dec 19 04:26 |
| notzed | you still need one, just not that one | Dec 19 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | it is 10 times as complicated as it needs to be, it's full of handouts to big companies, and it's going to force you by law to purchase overpriced corporate health insurance or face a tax penalty | Dec 19 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's a bad bill and it's going to pass | Dec 19 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | and 5 years from now, people are going to be so pissed that they were duped into letting the Democrats draw this up | Dec 19 04:28 |
| notzed | if they're not shooting each other for food | Dec 19 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | it won't make healthcare affordable, you'll deal with the same companies trying to deny you needed care you deal with now, and if you opt out of that, the government will raise your taxes by at least 33% | Dec 19 04:29 |
| shreddar | The dichotomy of Republicans and Democrats seems to be used as a tool to blind people to positions and issues that really mater when voting for laws and public officials and just settle for two opposite choices. | Dec 19 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans and Democrats are the same thing | Dec 19 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | you can throw the bastards out in every election and not get any better government the next time around | Dec 19 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | Obama started out with the appearance of not being quite as corrupt as Bush, but he's every bit as bad now | Dec 19 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | maybe not quite so painful to listen to, and that just makes him more dangerous | Dec 19 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | there's less corruption usually on the state and county levels | Dec 19 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | the perfect example is the state laws refusing to implement REAL ID | Dec 19 04:33 |
| shreddar | Like those frat boys who ask retarded question like "If you had to choose between sex with Betty White or RuPaul which would you choose?" | Dec 19 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | the feds are now trying to repeal REAL ID so they don't get into a showdown with more than half the states | Dec 19 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | they're scared that if they don't get rid of it, they might make an issue of the fact that the states played Chicken with the feds and won | Dec 19 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to come back with PASS ID which strikes a lot of the worst stuff from REAL ID | Dec 19 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately, Indiana is one of the most REAL ID compliant states. The drivers licenses here aren't fully compliant but they're closer than something I want in my wallet | Dec 19 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | which is why I've avoided doing anything that would make me have to turn in my non-REAL ID compliant license | Dec 19 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | our governor is a former Bush henchman | Dec 19 04:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Firefox 3.5.6 and 3.0.16 security updates released >> http://bit.ly/6WVYT9 | Dec 19 04:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Android Market reaches 20,000 applications - Update >> http://bit.ly/5LZLmg | Dec 19 04:48 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Android Market reaches 20,000 applications - Update - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.12 KB | Dec 19 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1566693/canonical-s-shuttleworth-steps | Dec 19 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | online storage is kind of a stupid business model | Dec 19 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | you could have a 2 TB hard drive for what it costs to subscribe to 50 GB for a few months on some remote server | Dec 19 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's like almost nobody that would benefit from online backups | Dec 19 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | you could own a 32 GB thumb drive for like $30 | Dec 19 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's anywhere you are, and no net connection required | Dec 19 04:53 |
| notzed | unless you lose it, it fails, or want to access it from multiple places at once | Dec 19 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | and we all know that no remote server ever goes down :) | Dec 19 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | no company ever loses your files on their server | Dec 19 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | it happens often enough that you know you can't depend on them either | Dec 19 04:55 |
| notzed | irrelevent, it's just that there are further costs beyond the price of the hard drive, and different features available | Dec 19 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | I still have hard drives that 17 years old | Dec 19 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | no bad sectors, boots up just fine | Dec 19 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | of course some die after a month | Dec 19 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | so don't trust anything | Dec 19 04:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @psuresh: You own old PC/laptop loaded with #FreeSoftware ? Like do some charity? Clear e-waste? Then => http://www.freelinuxbox.org | Dec 19 05:18 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FreeLinuxBox.Org .::. Size~: 3.47 KB | Dec 19 05:18 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Dec 19 05:24 |
| sebsebseb | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/12/ubuntu-1004-will-bring-panel-overhaul-social-network-menu.ars | Dec 19 05:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 will bring panel overhaul, social network menu .::. Size~: 42.52 KB | Dec 19 05:24 |
| sebsebseb | also this is a good read http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/12/ubuntu-linux-gnome-and-xorg-th.html | Dec 19 05:25 |
| sebsebseb | no bot that time? | Dec 19 05:25 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2009/12/ubuntu-linux-gnome-and-xorg-th.html | Dec 19 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ron White: Now this is Florida....so you know the cops drove past three meth labs and a dead hooker to find 7/8ths of a gram of marijuana on me. | Dec 19 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Dec 19 05:26 |
| tessier | schestowitz: How's it going? Was there a problem? Just got home. | Dec 19 05:27 |
| tessier | Ah. Just read scrollback. | Dec 19 05:28 |
| tessier | Weird... | Dec 19 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea why Avatar is doing so well | Dec 19 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | I might sneak into the theater and catch it | Dec 19 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm figuring out a movie hopping schedule for tomorrow | Dec 19 05:40 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Data recovery firms exist because businesses lose data from time to time. | Dec 19 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o39ZuGNaGVg | Dec 19 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMLIOtBLqoU&feature=related | Dec 19 05:53 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indystar.com/article/20091201/NEWS02/912010368/ | Dec 19 06:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Deputy constable put badges up for sale | IndyStar.com | The Indianapolis Star .::. Size~: 121.48 KB | Dec 19 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | I wanna be a deputy sheriff, can anyone loan me $2500? | Dec 19 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 19 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'll pay it right back with all the money I get from my bribes and racketeering | Dec 19 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | ATI released a new driver that still doesn't support Fedora 12 | Dec 19 06:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] my router had to choose today to get all flaky, when I have a new netbook to install stuff to, after several hours it's back up \o/ | Dec 19 06:47 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 19 09:00 |
| Omar87 | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-10th-anniversary/index.html | Dec 19 09:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IBM developerWorks : 10 important Linux developments everyone should know about .::. Size~: 49.93 KB | Dec 19 09:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: At a meeting on the #Commons being held @cis_india. Also here, @anivar @jackerhack @sunil_abraham @hpnadig vinaysreenivasa | Dec 19 09:12 | |
| schestowitz | [05:27] <tessier> schestowitz: How's it going? Was there a problem? Just got home. | Dec 19 09:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if it's a connectivity issue. It happened last week too and it sort of 'resolves itself' | Dec 19 09:13 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: if you can ssh in it isn't a connectivity issue | Dec 19 09:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNOME Funding is Equivalent to Lobbying and Why #Novell is Against GPL Enforcement http://ur1.ca/i72v | Dec 19 09:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why GNOME Funding is Equivalent to Lobbying and Why Novell is Likely Against GPL Enforcement | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.15 KB | Dec 19 09:46 |
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| Omar87 | Oh my God.. This one is so damn hilarious. :D http://jazarah.net/blog/al-arabiya-microsoft-to-launch-google-wave-next-year/ | Dec 19 09:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Al-Arabiya: Microsoft to launch Google Wave next year! | jazarah! .::. Size~: 34.77 KB | Dec 19 09:58 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: You should check it out. :-P | Dec 19 09:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] finally found the text entry box in gwibber on UNR, hiding by default is not very newbie friendly | Dec 19 10:01 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, that's what I thought | Dec 19 10:08 |
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| *amarsh04 found that the "use fontsets" option in the very old xmms 1.2 doubled cpu usage of Xorg | Dec 19 10:12 | |
| notzed | does turning off the scrolling songname help? | Dec 19 10:13 |
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| amarsh04 | I'll check on that, but I've confirmed that the "use fontsets" options causes a major leap in Xorg cpu usage | Dec 19 10:14 |
| amarsh04 | I was thinking that something had broken with a kernel upgrade | Dec 19 10:16 |
| notzed | it wouldn't be an unreasonable assumption these days :) | Dec 19 10:16 |
| amarsh04 | I have "smooth scrolling" of the playlist disabled, but couldn't find a setting for scrolling of the currently playing song title, will check a bit more | Dec 19 10:17 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] the more I hear the #shotofjaq theme, the more I like the "new strings"crispness of the bass, done in a pro quality studio, pity its Windows | Dec 19 10:19 | |
| notzed | i used to use it all the time, but haven't for years. damn distros 'updating' to software just because it's actively maintained | Dec 19 10:19 |
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| amarsh04 | not sure what happened, segmentation fault in konversation (under KDE 3.5.9/3.5.10) | Dec 19 10:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moonlight and #HyperV Still #Novell -Only and #SUSE -Only in Some Ways http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/19/novell-only-moonlight-access/ | Dec 19 10:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Moonlight and Hyper-V Still Novell-Only and SUSE-Only in Some Ways | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.91 KB | Dec 19 10:25 |
| notzed | ahh so now other distro's can only 'legally' use a `open and free' java knock-off. how generous! | Dec 19 10:32 |
| MinceR | moonblight is the flash knockoff, not the java knockoff :> | Dec 19 10:33 |
| notzed | oh yes of course, sorry | Dec 19 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | notzed: not even that | Dec 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Mono has fences around it too | Dec 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | And they can't modify it either | Dec 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | If they deviate from ECMA, no 'promise' | Dec 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Winforms and other parts are not covered, either | Dec 19 10:38 |
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| notzed | nod | Dec 19 10:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.truthout.org/1214091 | Dec 19 10:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: t r u t h o u t | Veterans Group Calls On Soldiers to Refuse Orders to Deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq .::. Size~: 83.99 KB | Dec 19 10:42 |
| notzed | hah, from bob parks' 'what's new': iranians have been watching the video feed from the predator drones - it's not encrypted | Dec 19 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | notzed: | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | In today's digest, we have: | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * [SOT] Governments Intrude Privacy Futher and Rely on Proprietary | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Software | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * [Rival] OOXML Misconduct Comes to Geneva | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * More GNU/Linux Laptops Coming to India | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * Linux Advances Towards 2.6.25, But Still Supports Very Old PCs | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * [Rival] Microsoft Tries Bringing a BBC-Type Fiasco to Other Countries | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * [Rival] Windows Server Can Be Own3D by Other Businesses ("Critical" | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Flaw) | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * Asterisk Grows up As Linux-powered Solution | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * [SOT] More Bands Become RIAA-independent, Adopt Free Software Model | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * "Open Source" Spreads to Other Areas Including Housing | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * FOSS Advocates Angry at Microsoft Steretypes; Second Life Artists | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Angry at Trademark | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * Dell Works on Improving GNU/Linux Hardware Choice | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * Mandriva Linux 2008.1 Reaches Beta, Screenshots Available | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * Joomla 1.5 is Released, Mobile Firefox Sneak Peek | Dec 19 10:44 |
| schestowitz | * GNU/Linux Has All the Needed Applications, Including Windows Ones | Dec 19 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | Hold cr* | Dec 19 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Bad paste | Dec 19 10:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/general/14365/duh-windows-encryption-hacked-via-random-number-generator">http://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/general/14365/duh-windows-encryption-hacked-via-random-number-generator | Dec 19 10:45 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 19 10:47 |
| notzed | server not found | Dec 19 10:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ctvolympics.ca/news-centre/newsid=22178.html | Dec 19 10:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CTV Olympics - Vancouver orders removal of anti-Olympic mural .::. Size~: 47.25 KB | Dec 19 10:52 |
| fewa | the on-demand corprotocracy | Dec 19 10:52 |
| fewa | With Police State! | Dec 19 10:53 |
| notzed | well the more they're heavy handed the more it tarnishes the 'spotless' image. then again, china was a 'success' too. | Dec 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | notzed: indeed, it's down | Dec 19 10:57 |
| fewa | notzed, "success" according to the same corporate media | Dec 19 10:57 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8411605.stm | Dec 19 10:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.09 KB | Dec 19 10:57 |
| notzed | there's something disturbing about countries spending so much money fighting over little gold discs for the selected few | Dec 19 10:57 |
| fewa | notzed, they are not | Dec 19 10:57 |
| schestowitz | notzed: and it's like Streinsand effect with the Olympics | Dec 19 10:57 |
| schestowitz | They make it look like a suppressive evnt | Dec 19 10:57 |
| fewa | the rich love to have an excuse to spend public money kicking out the poor and gentrififying a city | Dec 19 10:57 |
| schestowitz | In China they gagged athletes and journos | Dec 19 10:57 |
| fewa | not to mention the ability to institute police state measures and survilence | Dec 19 10:58 |
| notzed | success == lots of ratings and sponsorship money. | Dec 19 10:58 |
| schestowitz | notzed: Olympics keep people distracted | Dec 19 10:58 |
| schestowitz | They worry about who runs faster rather than who rips them off :-) | Dec 19 10:58 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/8/this_is_the_olympics_the_west | Dec 19 10:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: "This is the Olympics the West Wanted" - Dave Zirin on US Corporations Entering China, Athletes Speaking Out and the Games from '68 to Today .::. Size~: 51.64 KB | Dec 19 10:59 |
| notzed | still, money would be better spent on football and the like, at least according to a recent govt report. gee the ioc guy was livid at that suggestion. | Dec 19 10:59 |
| notzed | (if all they want to do is entertain the plebs) | Dec 19 10:59 |
| schestowitz | http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/12/13/crackdown-in-copenhagen/ http://criminaljustice.change.org/actions/view/stop_danish_police_abuses_against_peaceful_climate_protestors | Dec 19 10:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Crackdown in Copenhagen « Its Getting Hot In Here .::. Size~: 50.81 KB | Dec 19 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists = good | Dec 19 10:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Actions | Criminal Justice | Change.org .::. Size~: 63.81 KB | Dec 19 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Activists = bad | Dec 19 10:59 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/2/sportswriter_dave_zirin_on_obamas_olympic | Dec 19 10:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sportswriter Dave Zirin on Obama's Olympic Error .::. Size~: 49.77 KB | Dec 19 10:59 |
| fewa | <notzed> still, money would be better spent on football and the like | Dec 19 11:00 |
| fewa | LOL | Dec 19 11:00 |
| fewa | how bout health care? | Dec 19 11:00 |
| fewa | or even foot care | Dec 19 11:00 |
| schestowitz | That's sssssooo yesterday, fewa | Dec 19 11:00 |
| fewa | I don't think it seriously costs much to buy a few soccer balls | Dec 19 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Now we move on to something else | Dec 19 11:00 |
| schestowitz | BTW: | Dec 19 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Healthcare AstroTurf were made where they bribed people to stage protest against reform in Facebook | Dec 19 11:01 |
| schestowitz | These criminals have no ethical barriers | Dec 19 11:01 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they'll 'suicide' people if any prominent ones like Wendel stood in their way | Dec 19 11:01 |
| fewa | nah | Dec 19 11:01 |
| notzed | http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/aoc-prepares-for-legal-action-over-report/2009/11/23/1258824670339.html | Dec 19 11:02 |
| notzed | sheesh | Dec 19 11:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: AOC prepares for legal action over report - Sport - theage.com.au .::. Size~: 72.16 KB | Dec 19 11:02 |
| fewa | even that stuff is nothing, its all a play | Dec 19 11:02 |
| schestowitz | http://google-au.blogspot.com/2009/12/our-views-on-mandatory-isp-filtering.html | Dec 19 11:03 |
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| schestowitz | Google is pissing off the MAFIAA even more | Dec 19 11:03 |
| fewa | http://pnhp.org/news/2009/november/pnhp-co-founder-dr-steffie-woolhandler-on-the-passage-of-house-bill-3962 | Dec 19 11:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: PNHP co-founder Dr. Steffie Woolhandler on the passage of House Bill 3962 | Physicians for a National Health Program .::. Size~: 31.09 KB | Dec 19 11:04 |
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| fewa | they started from something where there is proof it will not work | Dec 19 11:04 |
| schestowitz | "Exposing politically controversial topics for public debate is vital for democracy." | Dec 19 11:05 |
| notzed | but a nuisance for running the country! | Dec 19 11:06 |
| notzed | the filter has to have something to do with acta and the 'national broadband network', it can't all just be to appease steve 'godbotherer' fielding | Dec 19 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pythian.com/news/6427/a-mysql-community-member-opinion-of-oracle-buying-sun/ | Dec 19 11:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A MySQL Community Member Opinion of Oracle Buying Sun | The Pythian Blog .::. Size~: 61.68 KB | Dec 19 11:08 |
| fewa | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479 | Dec 19 11:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Copyright regime vs. civil liberties .::. Size~: 39.91 KB | Dec 19 11:08 |
| fewa | Rick Falkvinge (swedish pirate party) talks about copyright MAFIAA | Dec 19 11:09 |
| fewa | as copyright now enters private space there is a choce | Dec 19 11:09 |
| fewa | mail secrecy, civil liberties, privacy OR copyright (obsolete industry protection) | Dec 19 11:10 |
| fewa | the MAFIAA can only win if they can get the _entire_ internet filtered | Dec 19 11:10 |
| schestowitz | notzed: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/16/three-strikes-law-re.html | Dec 19 11:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Three strikes law reintroduced in New Zealand Boing Boing .::. Size~: 76.42 KB | Dec 19 11:11 |
| notzed | yeah it's outrageous | Dec 19 11:12 |
| fewa | in the age of mass media copyright infringement happened in public places | Dec 19 11:13 |
| fewa | and the barrier of entry was high | Dec 19 11:13 |
| fewa | (printing press or movie theatre) | Dec 19 11:13 |
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| notzed | well it comes down to the whole police state we're moving toward everywhere. 'behave or you're buggered for the rest of your life' | Dec 19 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Background checks in many DBs | Dec 19 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Selected for obedience... | Dec 19 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2009/corp_121809.html | Dec 19 11:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Cisco Completes Acquisition of Starent Networks -> Cisco News .::. Size~: 32.36 KB | Dec 19 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Pretending that there is competition | Dec 19 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Oligrachy | Dec 19 11:17 |
| schestowitz | How much of the wealth do the top 50 companies control? | Dec 19 11:17 |
| notzed | where will it end, will it just keep building up till people realise it's too late and suddenly there's black shirts running around? | Dec 19 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | notzed: human nature... | Dec 19 11:17 |
| schestowitz | We are engineered to expand | Dec 19 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Developed man is only thousands of years old | Dec 19 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | The earth is about 4,000,000,000 years old, IIRC | Dec 19 11:18 |
| notzed | i've got this uneasy feeling we descended from a line of violent agressors - that's been the winning strategy so far | Dec 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/100 | Dec 19 11:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Institutions vs. People: Will the Species Self-Destruct? | MIT World .::. Size~: 17.34 KB | Dec 19 11:19 |
| schestowitz | http://cbs4denver.com/national/predator.drones.hacked.2.1375262.html | Dec 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | I can't help but wonder... | Dec 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | And do say so if I overstep the line | Dec 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | If Iraq was flying a drone over Washington | Dec 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | And the Pentagon managed to intercept the signal... | Dec 19 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Then how would the English-speaking press (Anglo-American propaganda model) describe this? | Dec 19 11:22 |
| notzed | if they ever even found out | Dec 19 11:23 |
| oiaohm | notzed: biggest worry is items like irobot from metalstorm | Dec 19 11:24 |
| oiaohm | We could get to the point that all deady force is controlled by machines. | Dec 19 11:24 |
| MinceR | would that be bad? | Dec 19 11:24 |
| schestowitz | They want to take over Europe too... the cowboyz. http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/17/sheldon-adelson-forbes-400-business-billionaires-adelson.html | Dec 19 11:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Richest Man In Vegas Speaks! - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 30.76 KB | Dec 19 11:25 |
| schestowitz | "We’ve been talking to a country near the Mediterranean about developing something. I’d like to build another Cotai Strip, another Las Vegas in Europe. There are plenty of opportunities out there." | Dec 19 11:25 |
| notzed | the sonic burning thing sounds scarier to me, and something likely coming to a police department near you one day soon | Dec 19 11:25 |
| oiaohm | What if someone hacked into them MinceR | Dec 19 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article6955241.ece | Dec 19 11:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Intoxicated by power, Blair tricked us into war -Times Online .::. Size~: 93.34 KB | Dec 19 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/568&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en "EU Telecoms Reform: 12 reforms to pave way for stronger consumer rights, an open internet, a single European telecoms market and high-speed internet connections for all citizens" | Dec 19 11:26 |
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| MinceR | what if someone brainwashed or bribed the people responsible? :> | Dec 19 11:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that would never happen !! | Dec 19 11:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 11:27 |
| MinceR | "That's crazy! The government doesn't lie to people!" | Dec 19 11:27 |
| schestowitz | !google pipes internet bribe senator | Dec 19 11:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - 'Series of tubes' senator convicted of corruption | Politics and ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10076855-38.html | Dec 19 11:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Pipe Dreams: Bill Allen, The Corrupt PPT and ACES From ASHES ... | http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/36-months-and-750000/ | Dec 19 11:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Slashdot | How The Internet Works - With Tubes | http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D06/07/03/0643238 | Dec 19 11:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - VC Blog on Storage, Wireless/VoIP, Internet | http://charlescurran.typepad.com/ | Dec 19 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Senator Tubby Tube | Dec 19 11:29 |
| schestowitz | They pardon him cause he's rich | Dec 19 11:29 |
| schestowitz | jails are for shoplifters | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | It's hungry shoplifters that ruin society, not reckless banksters and people who trade in bribes :-) | Dec 19 11:30 |
| notzed | http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/10/robot-cannon-ki/ | Dec 19 11:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Robot Cannon Kills 9, Wounds 14 | Danger Room | Wired.com .::. Size~: 104.51 KB | Dec 19 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Keep the poor people scared and the rich people happy | Dec 19 11:31 |
| schestowitz | That's the recipe for a healthy economy | Dec 19 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Not the poor happy and the exploiters on their toes | Dec 19 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Job insecurity is therefore very good for the economy | Dec 19 11:31 |
| notzed | well it's worked just fine so far hasn't it? | Dec 19 11:31 |
| schestowitz | It gets better | Dec 19 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Better as in, the gap widens | Dec 19 11:32 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/18/ex-microsoft-employee-confession/ | Dec 19 11:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Corporate Culture: Bing up Your Ass, Youre Fired! | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.51 KB | Dec 19 11:32 |
| schestowitz | See? | Dec 19 11:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure Microsoft employees will be obedient now | Dec 19 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Mafia Don Steve has reestablished his "credibility" | Dec 19 11:33 |
| schestowitz | The "out of control" syndrome. People need to give others the impression that they are scary and irrational so that others behave.... that's what the necons did for 8 years... | Dec 19 11:33 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/05/metal_storm_works_on_irobot.html The robot cannon that killed soliders was very much a pet. Look at this one notzed | Dec 19 11:33 |
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| notzed | well you're at last allowed to bring tweezers on australian flights. but they're stepping up the security checks or something. | Dec 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | putin said about bush that he is 'totally out of control" | Dec 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | He knew what he was talking about, I reckon | Dec 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | There was also the programme to control space (orbits) | Dec 19 11:34 |
| schestowitz | notzed: who needs tweezers? You have fist | Dec 19 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Not all flights notzed. | Dec 19 11:35 |
| schestowitz | They should remove fist or remove fingernails before each flight | Dec 19 11:35 |
| oiaohm | It dependant on aircraft design. | Dec 19 11:35 |
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| oiaohm | If tweezers could be used to get at electronics. | Dec 19 11:35 |
| schestowitz | "Excuse me maddam... I see we have not removed your fingernails, why don't you come with us to the back?" | Dec 19 11:35 |
| notzed | i dunno, there was a big box of tweezers before the xray line | Dec 19 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Its a common item with medical dressings notzed | Dec 19 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they want to recycle some metal | Dec 19 11:36 |
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| oiaohm | Metal or plastic. | Dec 19 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Plastic ones are found with medical dressings. | Dec 19 11:37 |
| notzed | well of course i'm talking about metal ones. | Dec 19 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | Items I have lost on flights. My keyring sissors. My keyring pliers my keyring screwdrivers. | Dec 19 11:39 |
| oiaohm | So far not a pair of tweesers yet. | Dec 19 11:39 |
| notzed | lost or taken? maybe they just didn't see it | Dec 19 11:41 |
| oiaohm | taken notzed | Dec 19 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Thinking I am a computer tech/network admin they are all useful items. | Dec 19 11:42 |
| cubezzz | laptop with nmap? :-0 | Dec 19 11:43 |
| notzed | "All cutting implements (such as knives, pocket knives, scissors, etc.) and sharp objects (nail clippers, nail files, tweezers, etc.) are prohibited items in the aircraft cabin." | Dec 19 11:43 |
| cubezzz | could be an evil cracker! | Dec 19 11:43 |
| notzed | http://www.canberraairport.com.au/air_terminal/security.cfm | Dec 19 11:43 |
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| notzed | friggan hard to find any of the old info, just about the new changes | Dec 19 11:43 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I haven't flown in a long time | Dec 19 11:44 |
| cubezzz | I have crossed the US border once since 9/11 | Dec 19 11:44 |
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| cubezzz | but really the Detroit crossing they were always pretty mean, even before 9/11 | Dec 19 11:45 |
| oiaohm | You will not notzed for the simple reason hutting down and getting rid of the old information when it comes to aircraft safty is very systemmatic | Dec 19 11:45 |
| cubezzz | "Mandatory use of Open Standards in Hungary" <- sounds very promising | Dec 19 11:46 |
| notzed | well google kept showing me news stories, not airport/airline/govt sites | Dec 19 11:46 |
| oiaohm | notzed: They go as far as requesting google remove caches of out of date version. | Dec 19 11:47 |
| notzed | it's just harder to find stuff in general lately, too high snr | Dec 19 11:47 |
| notzed | it didn't even show the new version, just useless NEWS stories about it | Dec 19 11:47 |
| cubezzz | there's a lot of duplication | Dec 19 11:47 |
| notzed | and yahoo questions | Dec 19 11:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Getting used to my new netbook, will do a couple of blogs posts later. I'm also now ThistleWind on IRC, in honour of Rincewind lol | Dec 19 11:47 | |
| *cubezzz remembers the text based internet | Dec 19 11:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "Rincewind was happy to be a racist. 100 meters, sprint, he'd raced them all." - Discworld | Dec 19 11:48 | |
| notzed | cubezz: well one thing hasn't changed, it's still good at wasting lots of time | Dec 19 11:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: source for that news from Hungary? MinceR might be interested | Dec 19 11:55 |
| cubezzz | it's a current article on slashdot | Dec 19 11:55 |
| cubezzz | just a sec | Dec 19 11:55 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2009/12/18/when-legalese-makes/ | Dec 19 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | BTW, Novell loses Linux focus, which is good. It's like Xandros.. maybe they'll just leave after failing with "Microsoft Linux" | Dec 19 11:56 |
| schestowitz | SUSE bloggers are even writing about other distros. http://www.benkevan.com/blog/installing-ubuntu-9-10-walk-through-%e2%80%93-virtualbox/ | Dec 19 11:56 |
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| cubezzz | the FOSS guys aren't going to go with OpenSuse I don't think | Dec 19 11:57 |
| cubezzz | in general | Dec 19 11:58 |
| cubezzz | ok.. here it is... | Dec 19 11:58 |
| cubezzz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/18/2123215/Mandatory-Use-of-Open-Standards-In-Hungary?art_pos=1 | Dec 19 11:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Mandatory Use of Open Standards In Hungary .::. Size~: 146.74 KB | Dec 19 11:59 |
| notzed | i don't think suse workers were ever very happy with novell buying them | Dec 19 11:59 |
| cubezzz | which distro would you rather support? :) | Dec 19 12:01 |
| cubezzz | Fedora, Debian, or.... OpenSuse | Dec 19 12:01 |
| cubezzz | lots of choices anyway | Dec 19 12:02 |
| kecskebak | The Hungarian move seems to be largely sponsered by utility companies. | Dec 19 12:02 |
| kecskebak | They often get shafted by vendor lock-in from people like SAP | Dec 19 12:03 |
| kecskebak | So I suppose it makes sense | Dec 19 12:03 |
| notzed | i don't really like them much, they're using the same software which only seems to stay at the slightly stable stage - every time a piece of software becomes stable it slows development, and that's the death of being included in a distro for any gui tool | Dec 19 12:03 |
| kecskebak | http://nyissz.hu/rolunk/partnerek/ - the sponsers of the bill sponsor are here | Dec 19 12:03 |
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| cubezzz | I still upgrade some stuff on FC1 | Dec 19 12:05 |
| cubezzz | there's some older stuff that doesn't work on newer Linux | Dec 19 12:05 |
| cubezzz | including some games | Dec 19 12:05 |
| notzed | i kept redhat 9 for years when i was at ximian. i found the old hard drive a few weeks ago and bloody hell it was quick. wiped it since mind you | Dec 19 12:06 |
| notzed | i think it had netscape 4.7! | Dec 19 12:06 |
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| cubezzz | well if an app works well and it does everything you want then there's no big reason to upgrade | Dec 19 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty for some apps is important cubezzz | Dec 19 12:11 |
| notzed | but new apps use all the latest libraries. it gets to the point you end up recompiling too much shit for it to be practical. and there's security. | Dec 19 12:11 |
| cubezzz | older games, with no source, kind of tricky to get them to work with new linux | Dec 19 12:13 |
| cubezzz | I'm thinking of old loki games mostly | Dec 19 12:13 |
| notzed | i don't like playing games on a pc. but it demonstrates the point of the continual moving target of a 'distro' | Dec 19 12:15 |
| cubezzz | I've seen the source code for some games and it would be a ton of work to get them to work with Fedora 12 or something new | Dec 19 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Old loki games are not that hard. | Dec 19 12:15 |
| oiaohm | chroot is really helpful. | Dec 19 12:16 |
| cubezzz | I never did get to play a network game of rt2 :) | Dec 19 12:16 |
| cubezzz | yeah there's probably always a way to get stuff to work if you are patience | Dec 19 12:17 |
| cubezzz | patient | Dec 19 12:18 |
| oiaohm | debian stunt. Install the right version debain in a chroot for the age application cubezzz | Dec 19 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Then use that to run application | Dec 19 12:18 |
| cubezzz | that video is funny schestowitz :) | Dec 19 12:18 |
| *schestowitz watches http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479# | Dec 19 12:19 | |
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| cubezzz | then he says at the end "it's just embarassing, I'm glad I'm gone" | Dec 19 12:20 |
| TheMadHatter | Did I miss something good? | Dec 19 12:21 |
| amarsh04 | are you in Adelaide notzed? | Dec 19 12:21 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah :) | Dec 19 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Hey, TheMadHatter | Dec 19 12:21 |
| notzed | yep | Dec 19 12:21 |
| TheMadHatter | Hey Roy, got a good one for you: | Dec 19 12:21 |
| TheMadHatter | http://vactruth.com/2009/12/05/big-pharma%E2%80%99s-crime-spree/ | Dec 19 12:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BIG PHARMA’S CRIME SPREE | vactruth.com .::. Size~: 65.76 KB | Dec 19 12:22 |
| TheMadHatter | Big Pharma Crime Spree | Dec 19 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | TheMadHatter: pharma should be antionalised | Dec 19 12:23 |
| notzed | oh dear anti vaccer site | Dec 19 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Only this way they would address the needs of people | Dec 19 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Life, not profit | Dec 19 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Right now they are driven by profit, not needs | Dec 19 12:24 |
| schestowitz | And they abuse patents | Dec 19 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | On biology, life, etc. | Dec 19 12:24 |
| TheMadHatter | That story is related to this: | Dec 19 12:24 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erika-milvy/possible-ms-breakthrough_b_396448.html | Dec 19 12:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Erika Milvy: Possible MS Breakthrough Neglected By American Media .::. Size~: 205.12 KB | Dec 19 12:25 |
| TheMadHatter | After all, who owns the American Media? | Dec 19 12:25 |
| schestowitz | The owners of the country | Dec 19 12:26 |
| TheMadHatter | And here's another one: | Dec 19 12:26 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2009/12/03/say-no-to-patent-sharing-in-wake-of-global-warming-fraud/id=7563/ | Dec 19 12:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Say NO to Patent Sharing in Wake of Global Warming Fraud | IPWatchdog.com | Patents & Patent Law .::. Size~: 295.92 KB | Dec 19 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that stupid thug Gene | Dec 19 12:27 |
| schestowitz | I hate him | Dec 19 12:27 |
| TheMadHatter | Totally seperate topic. Gene Quinn thanks that because he's a lawyer, he is capable of evaluating Climate Change (or at least that's what I think he thinks, he's been very unclear) | Dec 19 12:28 |
| schestowitz | No, he's an idiot | Dec 19 12:29 |
| schestowitz | See what he wrote before | Dec 19 12:29 |
| schestowitz | He's an arse in general | Dec 19 12:29 |
| notzed | hmm, medicine is tricky. you need proper trials and tests for efficiacy. wild claims aren't differentiable from snake oil otherwise. | Dec 19 12:30 |
| notzed | (but that never seems to stop the media reporting it normally) | Dec 19 12:32 |
| kecskebak | Ben Goldacre's Bad Science site is excellent for a discussion of these issues | Dec 19 12:34 |
| kecskebak | http://www.badscience.net/ | Dec 19 12:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bad Science .::. Size~: 62.54 KB | Dec 19 12:35 |
| notzed | yeah it's very good, although he does get a little stuck on some issues obviuosly dear to his heart sometimes | Dec 19 12:35 |
| fewa | like the pfizer published "medical jounal" | Dec 19 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Lot don't want to deal with the known issues of global dimming. | Dec 19 12:36 |
| fewa | oiaohm, nice term | Dec 19 12:36 |
| fewa | sums up both issues | Dec 19 12:36 |
| fewa | tightly related | Dec 19 12:36 |
| kecskebak | His rant against Brain Gym seems to have paid off. | Dec 19 12:36 |
| notzed | "Diarrhoea and Aids for Christmas" great headline | Dec 19 12:37 |
| cubezzz | I got my comment banned on a mac ad :) | Dec 19 12:39 |
| cubezzz | oh well | Dec 19 12:39 |
| kecskebak | The GM post is interesting - about disappearing data | Dec 19 12:39 |
| kecskebak | http://www.badscience.net/2009/12/criticising-the-gm-industry/ | Dec 19 12:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Criticising the GM industry Bad Science .::. Size~: 58 KB | Dec 19 12:39 |
| cubezzz | people don't like it when I point out they used closed source | Dec 19 12:39 |
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| oiaohm | fewa: global dimming is measable many ways fewa | Dec 19 12:41 |
| fewa | economic, energetic, ecologic | Dec 19 12:41 |
| oiaohm | global dimming causes reduced evaporation. | Dec 19 12:42 |
| fewa | oh, your talking literal dimming of the atmosphere | Dec 19 12:42 |
| fewa | the ozone hole does the opposite | Dec 19 12:42 |
| fewa | main thing effecting evaporation is deforestation | Dec 19 12:43 |
| fewa | which accelerates dessertification | Dec 19 12:43 |
| notzed | i think he was talking about how easy it is to measure? | Dec 19 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough sep 11 proved that jets are also effecting evaporation fewa by there trails reducing light to earth. | Dec 19 12:44 |
| oiaohm | notzed: evaporation pans notzed. | Dec 19 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Extreamly simple to messure. | Dec 19 12:44 |
| TheMadHatter | Yeah, Sep 11 also proved that we live in a noisy world. | Dec 19 12:49 |
| TheMadHatter | The days after were incredibly silent and peaceful during the "No Fly" period. | Dec 19 12:49 |
| TheMadHatter | I was working about 3 miles from Pearson International Airport at the time. | Dec 19 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Also strikes in particular sections of worlds also have show effects from partical polution. On the eveporation pans. | Dec 19 12:50 |
| TheMadHatter | CLimate Change trends show that Asia is warming faster than it should from the CO2 emissions. | Dec 19 12:51 |
| notzed | apparently soot is to blame | Dec 19 12:51 |
| oiaohm | soot as a lot of interesting effects. | Dec 19 12:52 |
| TheMadHatter | A further set of tests showed that the problem was the large amount of particulate emissions from coal fired genstations and trucks. The particulate changed the albedo of the atmosphere, causing a temperature rise. | Dec 19 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Not directly TheMadHatter | Dec 19 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Only. | Dec 19 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Less evaportion less clouds. | Dec 19 12:53 |
| TheMadHatter | Actually more clouds | Dec 19 12:53 |
| notzed | i thought the soot itself warms the air around it too? | Dec 19 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Clouds of what TheMadHatter | Dec 19 12:54 |
| notzed | provides crystalisation points for cloud formation | Dec 19 12:54 |
| TheMadHatter | Particulate forms the seed for water droplets, which is why in Shanghai you don't see the Sun most days. | Dec 19 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Cloud formation will happen natural due to natrual levels of particuals adding more don't help. | Dec 19 12:54 |
| TheMadHatter | Particulate also comes from burning rice fields, which is done after the harvest is complete. | Dec 19 12:55 |
| notzed | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=subcontinental-smut-himalayas | Dec 19 12:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Subcontinental Smut: Is Soot the Culprit Behind Melting Himalayan Glaciers?: Scientific American .::. Size~: 96.58 KB | Dec 19 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Once you add to many particuals you still get clouds but containing less watter. | Dec 19 12:55 |
| oiaohm | So no rain. | Dec 19 12:55 |
| oiaohm | You break the cycle so leading to a lot of problems including disappearing ice. | Dec 19 12:55 |
| TheMadHatter | Right. No rain. No Sun. Awful fucking climate. | Dec 19 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Ice fields depend on being replenished. | Dec 19 12:56 |
| oiaohm | No evaporation no snow. = no ice fields in time because they will melt and not be replaced. | Dec 19 12:56 |
| TheMadHatter | You end up spitting out phelgm all day long, and it's a blackish-yellow. | Dec 19 12:56 |
| TheMadHatter | Great place not to visit. | Dec 19 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Global dimming is far more dangous than global warming. | Dec 19 12:57 |
| notzed | i'm not sure tuvalu would agree there ;-) | Dec 19 12:58 |
| fewa | not really | Dec 19 12:58 |
| fewa | cause the only cause you have pointed to is jet trails | Dec 19 12:58 |
| fewa | you stop flying jets tomarrow and it goes away within a month | Dec 19 12:58 |
| oiaohm | That is only 1 section of it fewa | Dec 19 12:59 |
| fewa | its not so simply to just *poof*, remove 190 ppm CO2 from the atmosphere to restore it to where it was only 100 years ago | Dec 19 12:59 |
| fewa | after 10,000+ years of being < 200 ppm | Dec 19 12:59 |
| fewa | and it is now 380 ppm | Dec 19 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Nature can deal with problem if its systems are not being screwed up fewa | Dec 19 12:59 |
| Omar87_ | So, this year's ImagineCuff well begin soon, huh? | Dec 19 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Normally global warmming will lead to higher rainfall so leading to higher plant growth so taking up large ammounts of the C02 | Dec 19 13:00 |
| fewa | oiaohm, it is screwing with nature to put billions on tones of carbon into the air that has been barried millions of miles below the ground for millenia? | Dec 19 13:00 |
| oiaohm | We are double hitting fewa | Dec 19 13:00 |
| fewa | also, its not just warming, its much more accurate to call it simply climate change | Dec 19 13:01 |
| oiaohm | We are screwing up evaporation so jaming the systems normal responce to co2 | Dec 19 13:01 |
| notzed | `nature' will survive, it just might not be such a nice place for us anymore | Dec 19 13:01 |
| fewa | notzed, agreed | Dec 19 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Natures systems will take back over when we are gone. | Dec 19 13:01 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw | Dec 19 13:01 |
| fewa | (George Carlin - Saving the Planet) | Dec 19 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Now if we smart we will get out natures way were we can. | Dec 19 13:02 |
| fewa | I'm not worried about nature | Dec 19 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Putting particles in the are jamming evaporation systems. | Dec 19 13:03 |
| fewa | its so arrogent | Dec 19 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Warming and cooling of the earth has happened many times over fewa | Dec 19 13:04 |
| TheMadHatter | Or maybe we just move somewhere else. | Dec 19 13:04 |
| TheMadHatter | L5 looks nice. | Dec 19 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Nature allowed will correct global warming with plants. All we have to be is smart and stop getting in its way fewa | Dec 19 13:06 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yes, if by "correct" you mean shift about wildly (according to human perspective) for a few tens of thousands of years | Dec 19 13:07 |
| fewa | Carlin says it best | Dec 19 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Really its not wildly. | Dec 19 13:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Younger teen put the Christmas decorations up. Freda is WAY EXCITED at the tree! | Dec 19 13:09 | |
| fewa | i said from a human perspective | Dec 19 13:12 |
| fewa | you should read about what they can see in those Greenland ice cores | Dec 19 13:13 |
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| Eruaran | hey guys | Dec 19 13:13 |
| fewa | the last 2500 years is remarkable for how extremely moderate it is | Dec 19 13:13 |
| Eruaran | finally got around to putting Ubuntu on this USB | Dec 19 13:14 |
| notzed | enouhg of this doomsayer talk, australia is about to get it's first saint! aren't we lucky! | Dec 19 13:15 |
| notzed | (groan) | Dec 19 13:15 |
| fewa | oiaohm is really being an anti-doomsayer | Dec 19 13:16 |
| notzed | yeah but it isn't working, we're doomed. carbon will keep increasing, the deforestation will keep accelerating, the seas will acidify, the population will keep growing etc etc. some people will keep living, but it's really peak civilisation or so. | Dec 19 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Only can acidify if light is blocked notzed | Dec 19 13:18 |
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| oiaohm | Other wise natural systems will counter notzed | Dec 19 13:19 |
| Eruaran | Hello zer0c00l | Dec 19 13:19 |
| notzed | like algal blooms? | Dec 19 13:19 |
| zer0c00l | Eruaran: hello | Dec 19 13:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Gets the #KDE Vote, OpenDesktop.org-Build Service Integration 3 http://bit.ly/6YIY6C | Dec 19 13:20 | |
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| oiaohm | algal blooms is one of the natural counters notzed | Dec 19 13:21 |
| fewa | not really | Dec 19 13:22 |
| fewa | they eat up the oxogen in the water and kill all the higher organisms | Dec 19 13:22 |
| fewa | and they usually happen in shallow waters | Dec 19 13:23 |
| fewa | so then the algae dies, falls to the bottom, and removes that oxogen from the water, and the CO2 bubbles up to the surface | Dec 19 13:23 |
| fewa | meanwhile acidifying the water | Dec 19 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the algae | Dec 19 13:24 |
| fewa | that is what happens in a bloom | Dec 19 13:24 |
| fewa | but blooms are not really a problem without inversions (el nino, etc) or fertilizer runoffs | Dec 19 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Fun part high co2 in the water blocks most forms of algae. | Dec 19 13:24 |
| fewa | then its already run its course | Dec 19 13:24 |
| fewa | and high CO2 does far woorse | Dec 19 13:25 |
| fewa | like kill the corel | Dec 19 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes that has happened before fewa | Dec 19 13:25 |
| fewa | which sustains huge ecosystems | Dec 19 13:25 |
| notzed | it would be a lot more fascinating to watch if it wasn't a movie we're in | Dec 19 13:26 |
| oiaohm | What will the death of those ecosystems feed fewa | Dec 19 13:26 |
| fewa | notzed, agreed | Dec 19 13:26 |
| fewa | oiaohm, not much at all, it will just decompose | Dec 19 13:26 |
| fewa | salt water ecosystems are very much dependant on washed up nutrients, dissolved oxygen, and warmth | Dec 19 13:27 |
| fewa | its only a few places in the ocean that support much life at all | Dec 19 13:27 |
| fewa | Eritis sicut deus scientes bonum et malum. | Dec 19 13:28 |
| fewa | generally near shallow drop off coasts, and in gulf streamand similar currents | Dec 19 13:29 |
| fewa | and to thing that only 50 years ago many thought the oceans just kept getting deeper and deeper | Dec 19 13:30 |
| fewa | or maybe a little earlier | Dec 19 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Note seaweed most types are not effected by high co2 fewa | Dec 19 13:36 |
| fewa | *acidity | Dec 19 13:36 |
| oiaohm | the acidity is not harmful to them. | Dec 19 13:36 |
| fewa | most the things in the coean, yes | Dec 19 13:36 |
| fewa | it is the acidity of CO2 that makes it harmful | Dec 19 13:37 |
| fewa | otherwise it is innocous | Dec 19 13:37 |
| fewa | and is in very low concentrations compared to O2, etc | Dec 19 13:37 |
| fewa | which are much more reactive | Dec 19 13:37 |
| oiaohm | seawead is like most land based plants grow better the higher the co2 | Dec 19 13:37 |
| fewa | oiaohm, most water plants get their CO2 out of the air, not the water | Dec 19 13:38 |
| fewa | the plankton grows on the surface | Dec 19 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Guess where the exceptions are to that rule fewa | Dec 19 13:39 |
| fewa | so its more direct to refer to the acidification of the ocean | Dec 19 13:39 |
| fewa | not its CO2 concentration | Dec 19 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Nature has done the flip around in the past to high amounts of seawead low ammounts of coral and back again. | Dec 19 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Last time was caused by a metorrite hitting a coal field. | Dec 19 13:41 |
| fewa | I've never seen seaweed in the open ocean | Dec 19 13:41 |
| fewa | or kelp | Dec 19 13:42 |
| fewa | or ell grass | Dec 19 13:42 |
| oiaohm | They can be found on the floating rafts of material in the sea fewa | Dec 19 13:45 |
| fewa | dead or alive? | Dec 19 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Alive | Dec 19 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Normally like connect to dead logs and shipping containers and other items floating around out there. | Dec 19 13:46 |
| fewa | plastic bags | Dec 19 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Dec 19 13:49 |
| oiaohm | For some reason they don't connect to plastic | Dec 19 13:49 |
| fewa | then the bags just go to antartica | Dec 19 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically plasic bags so far have no useful use in sea. | Dec 19 13:51 |
| notzed | the central northern pacific i thought | Dec 19 13:51 |
| fewa | "useful use" | Dec 19 13:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Lazy Town with Sam. Noticed a Linux boot screen in background. Turns out it's debian :) http://bit.ly/6NlXYb | Dec 19 13:51 | |
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| fewa | there are not many ways plastic bags are useful at all | Dec 19 13:51 |
| fewa | the city of san francisco banned them in their entirety | Dec 19 13:51 |
| fewa | the shopping type | Dec 19 13:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] LOL! RT @iyermatter: Journalist to new BJP chief : "Sir under you will the party go from strength to strength?" | Dec 19 13:52 | |
| oiaohm | Here they are still around but plastics that will break down. fewa | Dec 19 13:52 |
| oiaohm | That can get fun at times particularly if you get your stuff from shop in old stock bags. | Dec 19 13:53 |
| fewa | yes, bioplastics | Dec 19 13:53 |
| notzed | i read something about the 'break down' plastics. UV just makes the polymers break into shorter bits. but they're still polymers. they don't decompose, just get finer | Dec 19 13:53 |
| notzed | well that's one type anyway | Dec 19 13:53 |
| fewa | these are really cool: http://www.natashascafe.com/html/bag.html | Dec 19 13:53 |
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| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perhaps-bag | Dec 19 13:54 |
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| shreddar | Does anyone know if that Bing guy was for real or not, yet? | Dec 19 13:55 |
| Eruaran | Bing guy ? | Dec 19 14:03 |
| Eruaran | Did I miss something ? | Dec 19 14:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @svaradarajan: Text of 'The Copenhagen Accord' finalised by the US, Brazil, India, South Africa and China | http://bit.ly/6NLp4B #cop15 | Dec 19 14:03 | |
| shreddar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GM4Lt5k24s&feature=player_embedded | Dec 19 14:04 |
| shreddar | Eruaran, Where have you been? Bing! | Dec 19 14:05 |
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| notzed | it's a great video, even if it isn't real | Dec 19 14:10 |
| shreddar | Yeah, I've watched it like 20 times already and haven't tired of it. | Dec 19 14:14 |
| Eruaran | thx shreddar | Dec 19 14:14 |
| Eruaran | it has the feel of real about it | Dec 19 14:15 |
| Eruaran | the scene he paints is just Ballmerish crazy enough to be real | Dec 19 14:15 |
| notzed | but that'd be the genius if it wasn't | Dec 19 14:15 |
| Eruaran | they believe their own vaporware hype you know | Dec 19 14:15 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think it's real | Dec 19 14:16 |
| Eruaran | they got our company director all revved up over WinMo 7 at a conference a few months ago | Dec 19 14:16 |
| Eruaran | Same kind of hype | Dec 19 14:16 |
| cubezzz | I think he's a sociopath | Dec 19 14:16 |
| cubezzz | re: Ballmer | Dec 19 14:16 |
| notzed | Novell were a bit cultish like that too. It was a bit offputting | Dec 19 14:17 |
| Eruaran | M$ is already making noises about WinMo7 as coming out "end of 2010" now instead of early or mid... no surprise | Dec 19 14:17 |
| Eruaran | Our company director was so difficult to talk to after the brainwashing conference that we had to speak to his wife instead: "It's not going to happen Betty !" - "what ? why ?" - "One word: Android" | Dec 19 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Eruaran: By the time WinMo7 comes out the market for it could be gone. | Dec 19 14:18 |
| fewa | Win 8 | Dec 19 14:18 |
| fewa | in 128 bits :P | Dec 19 14:18 |
| fewa | or maybe the Zilog 80 platform :P | Dec 19 14:19 |
| Eruaran | per second ? | Dec 19 14:19 |
| cubezzz | "In 2005, Mark Lucovsky alleged in a sworn statement to a Washington state court that Ballmer became highly enraged upon hearing that Lucovsky was about to leave Microsoft for Google, picked up his chair, and threw it across his office." | Dec 19 14:19 |
| shreddar | I bet WinMo7 will be the most advance browser based OS ever. They might even rename it Bing OS because they are so innovative. | Dec 19 14:19 |
| Eruaran | haha | Dec 19 14:19 |
| notzed | did it go bing when it hit the wall? | Dec 19 14:19 |
| Eruaran | shreddar, I think you just struck gold, "Bing OS"... oh yes, I can see that happening | Dec 19 14:19 |
| notzed | sounds like dog food | Dec 19 14:20 |
| cubezzz | I think they really mean "Ka-ching" | Dec 19 14:20 |
| Eruaran | I noticed Microsoft picked up the scent of the social desktop (mostly from the KDE community)... so they have started feeding folks vaporware hints about this really innovative concept their working on... guess what its called... | Dec 19 14:21 |
| notzed | security? | Dec 19 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Live | Dec 19 14:22 |
| Eruaran | notzed, they call it... the Social Desktop | Dec 19 14:22 |
| cubezzz | most people don't really understand the whole FOSS movement I've noticed | Dec 19 14:22 |
| notzed | which is? | Dec 19 14:23 |
| cubezzz | when I talk about it, I get a lot of blank stares | Dec 19 14:23 |
| Eruaran | Most people don't understand "can you start up your web browser and type this into your address bar" | Dec 19 14:23 |
| cubezzz | they are really mostly helpless | Dec 19 14:24 |
| Eruaran | I think Ubuntu should ditch Totem for VLC | Dec 19 14:24 |
| Eruaran | I change the default movie player from Totem to VLC for people all the time... Totem just doesn't cut it | Dec 19 14:25 |
| cubezzz | if I talk about "freedom of thought" most people understand that | Dec 19 14:25 |
| cubezzz | but if I say "I really like FOSS" I have to explain a lot of stuff | Dec 19 14:25 |
| cubezzz | more people programmed for fun in the past | Dec 19 14:27 |
| cubezzz | that's the sad part | Dec 19 14:27 |
| notzed | 'foss' is a pretty meaningless non-word | Dec 19 14:27 |
| cubezzz | tons of folks played around with c64's and vic-20s and ataris with BASIC | Dec 19 14:27 |
| Eruaran | Admiral Akbar on Mono: "IT'S A TRAP!" | Dec 19 14:27 |
| Eruaran | I know someone who has an Atari 1040ST in mint condition. | Dec 19 14:28 |
| notzed | cubezzz: kids these days aren't entertained unless there's a movie to watch. a real 'consumer', just how the 'producers' like it | Dec 19 14:28 |
| cubezzz | windows killed the hobbyist programmer notzed | Dec 19 14:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Family (inlaws) xmas party today at the home of Goblin....oh dear :( I wonder if I can get rid before 10pm? | Dec 19 14:28 | |
| Eruaran | I walked into his living room one evening and it was on the floor in front of the TV... it looked brand spanking new | Dec 19 14:28 |
| notzed | it's really trained in from an early age now. | Dec 19 14:29 |
| Eruaran | I said, "Did I just walk through a time vortex ?" | Dec 19 14:29 |
| Eruaran | "that looks new !" | Dec 19 14:29 |
| Eruaran | He said, "well it basically is" | Dec 19 14:29 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't that long ago :) | Dec 19 14:29 |
| Eruaran | he got it at a garage sale | Dec 19 14:29 |
| cubezzz | remember Commodore Pets? :) | Dec 19 14:29 |
| Eruaran | The original owner only used it once, didn't like it, packed it up and put it in the attic where it sat for over 20 years | Dec 19 14:30 |
| notzed | cubezz: software has got much more complicated. it's overwhelming. back when you had a text adventure game you could just type one in in basic, even if it only had a couple of rooms | Dec 19 14:30 |
| cubezzz | people don't seem to use BASIC at all now | Dec 19 14:30 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft approached Jack Tramiel once. They wanted to license Windows to Atari. | Dec 19 14:31 |
| cubezzz | wow really? I didn't know that | Dec 19 14:31 |
| Eruaran | Old Jack was smarter than the PC makers were | Dec 19 14:31 |
| Eruaran | yes | Dec 19 14:31 |
| Eruaran | This was his response: | Dec 19 14:31 |
| Eruaran | "I'm already married" | Dec 19 14:31 |
| cubezzz | he's still alive I think | Dec 19 14:31 |
| notzed | i was learning basic in primary school, kids these days learn 'word' and 'excel' | Dec 19 14:31 |
| cubezzz | he's a smart old coot :) | Dec 19 14:31 |
| cubezzz | that's a shame :-/ | Dec 19 14:32 |
| cubezzz | I'm glad I came before those days | Dec 19 14:32 |
| Eruaran | Kids in school today are not even taught how to save a "Word document" into another format. | Dec 19 14:33 |
| cubezzz | was Windows ever on anything non x86? | Dec 19 14:33 |
| Eruaran | Alpha | Dec 19 14:33 |
| notzed | mips? | Dec 19 14:33 |
| Eruaran | DEC Alpha | Dec 19 14:33 |
| cubezzz | what was that, some version of NT? | Dec 19 14:33 |
| Eruaran | But that was part of a court settlement I think ;) | Dec 19 14:33 |
| Eruaran | yes it was NT | Dec 19 14:34 |
| cubezzz | that makes ARM stuf all the more interesting, because of this WinTel majority | Dec 19 14:34 |
| notzed | ahh MIPS, Alpha and even power pc | Dec 19 14:34 |
| cubezzz | none of the non x86 systems survived I don't think | Dec 19 14:34 |
| cubezzz | as PCs | Dec 19 14:34 |
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| Eruaran | I think ARM might have a big future | Dec 19 14:35 |
| cubezzz | I've got old zaurus and arm based routers, everything else is x86 | Dec 19 14:35 |
| cubezzz | right, right NT 3.1 to 4.0 had PowerPC, DEC Alpha and MIPS R4000 | Dec 19 14:36 |
| cubezzz | what happened to that I wonder | Dec 19 14:37 |
| Eruaran | wintel | Dec 19 14:37 |
| cubezzz | wintel is more dominating than I realized | Dec 19 14:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Oh it's OK I'll just upgrade it to Windows 7." Hollow laugh. http://is.gd/5tM8G | Dec 19 14:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - The New Addition To The Digital Family | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yal28x8 | Dec 19 14:38 | |
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| Eruaran | Microsoft are really biting the hand that feeds them now | Dec 19 14:39 |
| cubezzz | Windows dropped Itanium I see | Dec 19 14:39 |
| Eruaran | The discontinuation of XP Pro is near suicide | Dec 19 14:39 |
| Eruaran | We've got medium/large corporate clients who are dependent on XP Pro and programs that run on XP that are a nightmare on Vista/7 | Dec 19 14:40 |
| Eruaran | Not do-able | Dec 19 14:40 |
| Eruaran | When older PC's need to be replaced they are not "replacing" them they are "upgrading" them and using their current XP Pro license | Dec 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 has a emulated XP that works for some. | Dec 19 14:41 |
| cubezzz | this is why I'm using older Linux for some machines btw | Dec 19 14:41 |
| cubezzz | feature creep | Dec 19 14:41 |
| cubezzz | the bloat on windows 7 is just ridiculous | Dec 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm | I have others looking at wine and plan to move off windows completely Eruaran | Dec 19 14:42 |
| cubezzz | I wrote a fair bit of msdos code so I use dosbox | Dec 19 14:42 |
| cubezzz | sadly, I didn't find the time to port everything, but I will eventually | Dec 19 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Personally I hate KMS licencing. | Dec 19 14:43 |
| cubezzz | I'm off the doze, I've been off since early 2003 | Dec 19 14:43 |
| cubezzz | should have been sooner though | Dec 19 14:44 |
| Eruaran | If Wine can handle things like Sage Handisoft, MapiLAB, Quickbooks, and MYOB without hassles - and I'm serious here - GNU/Linux can clean up in the business market | Dec 19 14:44 |
| cubezzz | people chain themselves to Microsoft | Dec 19 14:44 |
| Eruaran | Indeed | Dec 19 14:44 |
| Eruaran | But Microsoft have broken the cardinal rule of customer lock-in | Dec 19 14:45 |
| cubezzz | I will re-write A Christmas Carol tonight :) | Dec 19 14:45 |
| Eruaran | A friend of mine is working for a company that is undertaking a slow transition away from Microsoft based tools | Dec 19 14:46 |
| cubezzz | I thing was, in the "old days" I wasn't locked in at all | Dec 19 14:46 |
| oiaohm | What rule Eruaran | Dec 19 14:46 |
| cubezzz | I was doing three platforms: MS DOS, AmigaDOs and Unix System V | Dec 19 14:46 |
| Eruaran | oiaohm, don't break compatibility | Dec 19 14:46 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Dec 19 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MS has been breaking that for years Eruaran | Dec 19 14:47 |
| Eruaran | oiaohm, they've really broken it now | Dec 19 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Don't you remember windows 95 and dos applications Eruaran | Dec 19 14:47 |
| cubezzz | well, it's just damned slow, windows 7 is slooooow | Dec 19 14:47 |
| cubezzz | that's what stuck me the most | Dec 19 14:47 |
| cubezzz | struck :) | Dec 19 14:47 |
| cubezzz | it's stupid, gigs of ram and it's slow? come on | Dec 19 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Remember for years MS did not have competitors. | Dec 19 14:48 |
| Eruaran | oiaohm, yes but this seems to be more serious... after nearly a decade of Win XP, there are a lot of companies that are totally dependent on Win32 software - big opportuinty for Wine with Win32 support | Dec 19 14:48 |
| oiaohm | MS is not use to working in a market with competitors. | Dec 19 14:48 |
| oiaohm | While you don't have competors your lockin does not require you to remain compadible. | Dec 19 14:49 |
| cubezzz | johnny come-latelys | Dec 19 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Infact its better if you don't remain compadible Eruaran | Dec 19 14:49 |
| oiaohm | To force people to buy more new stuff. | Dec 19 14:49 |
| *notzed sure misses the amiga days. hobbies are more fun than jobs too. | Dec 19 14:49 | |
| oiaohm | Everything started going wrong for MS at Vista | Dec 19 14:50 |
| notzed | being incompatible is the business model. sell a shiny new laptop to the boss and have a trickle-down effect as everyone has to read his or her words of wisdom | Dec 19 14:50 |
| cubezzz | seriously notzed, I'm getting an Amiga again some day | Dec 19 14:51 |
| Eruaran | The Amiga is a thing of beauty | Dec 19 14:51 |
| Eruaran | To me the A1200 is the quintessential Amiga | Dec 19 14:51 |
| cubezzz | AROS or Linux I think | Dec 19 14:51 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, go Amiga 4000 Tower | Dec 19 14:52 |
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| notzed | i lost hope some time ago. i did a little (little) work on aros but that's about it. | Dec 19 14:52 |
| Eruaran | I showed a friend a clip of someone multitasking on an A1200 circa early 90's | Dec 19 14:52 |
| cubezzz | but I think you could run Linux on the 1200 right? | Dec 19 14:52 |
| oiaohm | The issue really is the closed source model is showing its age. | Dec 19 14:52 |
| Eruaran | oiaohm, I think you are right | Dec 19 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Lot of goverments are waking up and demarding storage in open standard formats. | Dec 19 14:53 |
| cubezzz | guys, there is still sporadic production of new boards | Dec 19 14:53 |
| notzed | cubezz: with a cpu upgrade (for the mmu). really really slow | Dec 19 14:53 |
| cubezzz | Amiga is not (completely) dead | Dec 19 14:53 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Dec 19 14:53 |
| cubezzz | ok, maybe not 1200 then | Dec 19 14:53 |
| Eruaran | I forget who is was that's making boards for AmigaOS | Dec 19 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Amiga still makes some Amiga machines Eruaran | Dec 19 14:54 |
| notzed | someone makes an FPGA implementation of an A500 on a tiny card | Dec 19 14:54 |
| Eruaran | they do ? | Dec 19 14:54 |
| Eruaran | I thought they'd gone completely software | Dec 19 14:54 |
| cubezzz | I seem to remember SAM boards? | Dec 19 14:54 |
| Eruaran | that rings a bell | Dec 19 14:55 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam440 | Dec 19 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | Yep the only amiga board still in production. | Dec 19 14:55 |
| cubezzz | right, I've seen those on ebay, expensive though | Dec 19 14:56 |
| cubezzz | for the uber-hard core I guess | Dec 19 14:56 |
| Eruaran | yeah that's the board I was thinking of | Dec 19 14:56 |
| oiaohm | They are very power effective boards cubezzz | Dec 19 14:56 |
| oiaohm | So loved for particular embedded jobs. | Dec 19 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Unfortunarly jobs where price is not a issue. | Dec 19 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Power usage and dependablity are. | Dec 19 14:57 |
| Eruaran | Looks like you could fit one in a little Shuttle case | Dec 19 14:58 |
| notzed | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimig | Dec 19 14:58 |
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| cubezzz | there's a minimig on ebay right now | Dec 19 14:59 |
| cubezzz | $289 buy it now :) | Dec 19 14:59 |
| cubezzz | http://cgi.ebay.com/MiniMig-FPGA-Case-Amiga-500-600-Emulator_W0QQitemZ160335774329QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2554c1c279 | Dec 19 14:59 |
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| cubezzz | kind of nice how Amiga still survives | Dec 19 14:59 |
| oiaohm | http://www.hyperion-entertainment.biz/ New amigas might apear in 2010 | Dec 19 14:59 |
| oiaohm | There has been a few legal issues. | Dec 19 15:00 |
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| cubezzz | I guess I could just run AROS on x86 right? | Dec 19 15:01 |
| notzed | or just run uae ;-) it boots damn fast | Dec 19 15:02 |
| oiaohm | AROS can run on it own kernel or on a Linux one. | Dec 19 15:02 |
| cubezzz | ok, Minimig surprises me | Dec 19 15:03 |
| Eruaran | would be nice to see the Amiga name properly revived | Dec 19 15:04 |
| cubezzz | Amiga HDTV? :) | Dec 19 15:04 |
| Eruaran | As long as it doesn't suck | Dec 19 15:04 |
| Eruaran | If it sucked it would be like another Highlander sequel | Dec 19 15:04 |
| Eruaran | I think using AmigaOS would be an uphill battle though | Dec 19 15:05 |
| cubezzz | HighLander just wasn't supposed to have any sequels :) | Dec 19 15:05 |
| Eruaran | true | Dec 19 15:05 |
| oiaohm | and some of the highlander sequels are good. | Dec 19 15:06 |
| Eruaran | blasphemy | Dec 19 15:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - The New Addition To The Digital Family http://tinyurl.com/yal28x8 | Dec 19 15:06 | |
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| oiaohm | Problem is when they don't know when to stop. | Dec 19 15:06 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Dec 19 15:06 |
| notzed | it has not surpringly, aged somewhat. the system api's haven't been updated a lot, just some stuff for virtual memory and a few other bits and bobs, from what i remember when i was looking at aros | Dec 19 15:06 |
| cubezzz | have you guys seen this: | Dec 19 15:06 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natami | Dec 19 15:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Natami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 27.55 KB | Dec 19 15:06 |
| Eruaran | hmm | Dec 19 15:09 |
| Eruaran | small is interesting | Dec 19 15:09 |
| Eruaran | I really like small things these days | Dec 19 15:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Now Etherpad is open source, any Debian/Ubuntu developers fancy packaging it in a deb? http://bit.ly/5QZSwA | Dec 19 15:09 | |
| Eruaran | in your pocket the future is, yes | Dec 19 15:09 |
| Eruaran | speaking of small things | Dec 19 15:11 |
| Eruaran | I'm running from my USB Ubuntu install right now | Dec 19 15:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] No decrease in illegal downloading, says BPI - More propaganda from the BBC http://tinyurl.com/yzm5xs8 | Dec 19 15:12 | |
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| shreddar | It's it slow Eruaran? | Dec 19 15:12 |
| Eruaran | no its fine | Dec 19 15:13 |
| Eruaran | I don't notice any slowness at all | Dec 19 15:13 |
| shreddar | How fast does it startup? | Dec 19 15:13 |
| Eruaran | fast | Dec 19 15:14 |
| notzed | usb flash or hdd? | Dec 19 15:14 |
| Eruaran | the bios recognises it as a usb-hdd | Dec 19 15:14 |
| shreddar | Did you have to make upgrade the bios or anything to get it to boot from the usb drive? | Dec 19 15:14 |
| Eruaran | its just a normal Transcend 8GB USB key | Dec 19 15:14 |
| Eruaran | no | Dec 19 15:15 |
| Eruaran | bios on this system already supports boot from usb, most systems do now | Dec 19 15:15 |
| notzed | all the old machines i would like to do that with don't boot off usb drives. they're rather old tho | Dec 19 15:15 |
| Eruaran | between my USB key and portable hdd, I can turn anyone's PC into my PC in moments | Dec 19 15:16 |
| notzed | on my beagleboard, the sd-card was pretty slow, usb flash was faster, but a usb hdd (old ps3 drive) was fastest | Dec 19 15:17 |
| Eruaran | anyone who can boot USB that is | Dec 19 15:17 |
| Eruaran | I like to read things like this, "Saving is Obsolete" | Dec 19 15:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - George Lucas 'loses Stormtrooper legal fight' http://tinyurl.com/ycj87r8 | Dec 19 15:19 | |
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| Eruaran | George already has enough money | Dec 19 15:20 |
| cubezzz | he's suing the guy that designed the originals? | Dec 19 15:21 |
| shreddar | George lucas get income from copyright's and trademarks. Assets such as those are what make him rich. | Dec 19 15:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Work begins on documenting how to get Etherpad working on Ubuntu http://bit.ly/6n6fOk | Dec 19 15:22 | |
| cubezzz | "Mr Ainsworth was paid £35 for each helmet he made for the film in 1976" | Dec 19 15:22 |
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| fewa | a myth made him rich | Dec 19 15:22 |
| cubezzz | you see how fair Lucas is? :) | Dec 19 15:22 |
| fewa | those that can instill a myth can always gain employment | Dec 19 15:22 |
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| shreddar | But he doesn't have to gain employment because he's rich. | Dec 19 15:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Guardian book club, Terry Pratchett week four | Books | The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/y8mbnc5 | Dec 19 15:23 | |
| Eruaran | You can't extend copyright as far as replica outfits... | Dec 19 15:24 |
| shreddar | Not in Europe anyways. | Dec 19 15:24 |
| Eruaran | That kind of silliness opens the door to all kinds of silliness... just like with software patents | Dec 19 15:24 |
| fewa | thats irrelevent to the myth | Dec 19 15:24 |
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| shreddar | Yep expecially now with the internet. | Dec 19 15:25 |
| Eruaran | Can you imagine a costume shop being sued by Disney for making and hiring out Disney style Snow White costumes ? | Dec 19 15:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] At the risk of spamming Pratchett, I've found a video of his talk to the book club http://tinyurl.com/yb9d3jq | Dec 19 15:26 | |
| cubezzz | unfortunately yes | Dec 19 15:26 |
| cubezzz | I can imagine it | Dec 19 15:26 |
| Eruaran | How about charging Star Wars fans with copyright infringement for turning up at the premiere of Revenge Of The Sith dressed as Jedi and various other characters... | Dec 19 15:27 |
| cubezzz | ok, maybe not that :) | Dec 19 15:27 |
| Eruaran | What's the difference | Dec 19 15:28 |
| cubezzz | they have to pay to see the premiere so Lucas gets money | Dec 19 15:28 |
| Eruaran | How about suing ThinkGeek for selling those same fans the light sabres they brought with them | Dec 19 15:28 |
| shreddar | Most of those intellectual monopolies are being enforced against customers now because they have the same power to redistribute that only companies had years ago. | Dec 19 15:28 |
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| shreddar | Sadly it's standard in businesses to get assets such as copyrights and trademarks and patents in order to reduce risk from competition. | Dec 19 15:31 |
| shreddar | They also reduce risk of going broke a little too. | Dec 19 15:32 |
| shreddar | It's all about reducing risk for investors. | Dec 19 15:33 |
| Eruaran | I've got a better idea | Dec 19 15:35 |
| Eruaran | Instead of George resting on his laurels and trying to rake in money forever and a day from stuff he did more than 30 years ago, long before his hair turned grey, he could... MAKE NEW MOVIES ?? | Dec 19 15:36 |
| Eruaran | Maybe even something that's, not Star Wars or Indiana Jones... | Dec 19 15:37 |
| Eruaran | What an innovative idea... | Dec 19 15:37 |
| Eruaran | its just so crazy | Dec 19 15:37 |
| shreddar | Star Wars was not that good. It's already showing it's age. IMO | Dec 19 15:38 |
| shreddar | Now the Wizard of OZ that's timeless. | Dec 19 15:38 |
| Eruaran | 2001 has aged better | Dec 19 15:38 |
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| notzed | blade runner has aged very well. | Dec 19 15:39 |
| Eruaran | I mean, 2001 had flat panel displays | Dec 19 15:39 |
| Eruaran | I love Blade Runner | Dec 19 15:39 |
| Eruaran | I have the final cut | Dec 19 15:39 |
| shreddar | Yep 2001 and bladerunner didn't use muppets either. | Dec 19 15:39 |
| Eruaran | lol | Dec 19 15:39 |
| Eruaran | But to be fair... Star Wars is scifi/adventure really | Dec 19 15:40 |
| shreddar | I like Star Wars as a kid but that was because Darth Vader was so cool. | Dec 19 15:41 |
| Eruaran | an iconic villan | Dec 19 15:41 |
| shreddar | I don't think he's as cool anymore. I think that might be because I know what going on in the movie now. | Dec 19 15:42 |
| notzed | yeah but turning him into a whiny knob really did it in for vader | Dec 19 15:42 |
| shreddar | That too | Dec 19 15:42 |
| Eruaran | lol true | Dec 19 15:42 |
| shreddar | Plus I thought he was black until the last movie | Dec 19 15:43 |
| Eruaran | hehe | Dec 19 15:43 |
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| Eruaran | I like the Vader Sessions on YouTube | Dec 19 15:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bings got an iBug? – Problems with Bing on iPhone? http://tinyurl.com/yfk298r #bing #microsoft #windows #fail #vista #xp #apple #iphone | Dec 19 15:43 | |
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| Eruaran | I don't get why companies seem to treat Google as if its a monopoly and seem to run into the arms of a convicted monopolist in response... Nobody is locked in or forced to use Google... its quite bizarre that people lack this basic common sense | Dec 19 15:45 |
| Eruaran | But, anyway, paying a truckload of money to Verizon to put Bing on Blackberries looks to me like the kind of stuipd money burning activity that will be the end of Microsoft... Someone needs to tell Ballmer, "dude, you're not supposed to pay people to use it, you're uhmm supposed to make money from it, like ads and stuff yknow ?" | Dec 19 15:48 |
| shreddar | Well I'm forced to use Google because every other search engine suck but I hear ya. | Dec 19 15:48 |
| Eruaran | Winning fair and square is just fine. | Dec 19 15:48 |
| Eruaran | If you don't suck and everybody else does, you win and you deserve to win. | Dec 19 15:49 |
| Eruaran | Nokia was once in that position. | Dec 19 15:49 |
| shreddar | The reason microsoft is interested in search again is because of google. | Dec 19 15:50 |
| shreddar | They see a threat from them like they did from netscape. | Dec 19 15:51 |
| Eruaran | They're only half right. | Dec 19 15:51 |
| shreddar | But unlike netscape they can't just offer a free search a put the out. | Dec 19 15:51 |
| shreddar | All search is free. | Dec 19 15:51 |
| notzed | all they can do is make it the default on the default browser most people use with their default os | Dec 19 15:52 |
| Eruaran | They see only Google... I see an entire industry that's changing, paradigms changing | Dec 19 15:52 |
| notzed | but since bing sucks so badly, they'll be forced to change anyway | Dec 19 15:52 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft is not changing | Dec 19 15:52 |
| Eruaran | Their tactics do not change | Dec 19 15:52 |
| Eruaran | They are a dirty ratbag company that is destined to lose their dominance and eat what they've served to others for so long | Dec 19 15:54 |
| Eruaran | Its not a matter of "if", it is only a matter of time | Dec 19 15:54 |
| Eruaran | I might attend the next Ballmer talk that comes to town | Dec 19 15:55 |
| Eruaran | If he dares to say anything about "intellectual property" | Dec 19 15:56 |
| shreddar | Yeah they are already spending way to much and Windows in order to keep it dominate. | Dec 19 15:56 |
| Eruaran | I'll shout, "HOWS THAT PLURK THING GOING DICKHEAD" | Dec 19 15:56 |
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| shreddar | It's only a matter of time before Windows isn't making them any money. | Dec 19 15:57 |
| MinceR | you could also mention their recent GPL violation issue | Dec 19 15:57 |
| Eruaran | MinceR, yes indeed | Dec 19 15:58 |
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| Eruaran | Maybe I'll be a bit more civilised and wait till questions... then I'll ask "you mentioned intellectual property... hows that Plurk thing going, and those GPL volation issues (etc etc) | Dec 19 15:58 |
| Eruaran | You can bet he'll go staight into spin mode | Dec 19 15:59 |
| Eruaran | *straight | Dec 19 15:59 |
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| shreddar | He'll get pissed and kick you out. | Dec 19 15:59 |
| Eruaran | "52 pending patent violations Steve... hows that working out for ya ?" | Dec 19 16:00 |
| Eruaran | "I know you're serious about 'intellectual property'... you cant keep your hands off OTHER PEOPLE'S 'intellectual property'" | Dec 19 16:02 |
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| Eruaran | I reckon I can get a couple of sharp ones in before I get kicked out | Dec 19 16:03 |
| shreddar | He probably will make you agree not to say anything under threat of a law suit. | Dec 19 16:04 |
| Eruaran | "Mr Ballmer, is it not true that if Red Hat is a kettle, you're the pot that's calling it black ?" | Dec 19 16:04 |
| shreddar | You might have to sign it just to get in. | Dec 19 16:04 |
| shreddar | If you can get in. | Dec 19 16:04 |
| Eruaran | Our company is a "gold certified" Microsoft partner | Dec 19 16:05 |
| Eruaran | whatever that means | Dec 19 16:05 |
| shreddar | I'd love to read about it if you do. | Dec 19 16:05 |
| Eruaran | It means they wont pat me down looking for a plush Tux at the door | Dec 19 16:05 |
| Eruaran | I'll be up for it | Dec 19 16:06 |
| shreddar | So MS will be mad at your company that hired you? | Dec 19 16:06 |
| shreddar | I can see where that might lead. | Dec 19 16:06 |
| shreddar | Bing up your ass your fired! | Dec 19 16:07 |
| Eruaran | If he starts spouting crap like IP I don't think I could contain myself... can't let it slide and also watch a room full of people swallow it without piping up and saying something to break up the little distortion-of-reality thing | Dec 19 16:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Simon Phipps: “Linux is No Longer Important Enough to Justify a Business Unit at #Novell ” http://ur1.ca/i7hw | Dec 19 16:07 | |
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| Eruaran | I'm a partner | Dec 19 16:07 |
| Eruaran | Are they serious ? | Dec 19 16:08 |
| shreddar | Oh well then it'll be okay. | Dec 19 16:09 |
| shreddar | MS might still want revenge though. | Dec 19 16:09 |
| shreddar | Or to make a example out of your company. | Dec 19 16:10 |
| shreddar | Or maybe they'll just whine about it. | Dec 19 16:10 |
| Eruaran | There is nothing they can do that would not result in a court battle that would be much more feisty than they'd expect | Dec 19 16:11 |
| shreddar | Like they did about those guy's who brought apple laptops with them to a conference. | Dec 19 16:11 |
| Eruaran | And some very bad publicity | Dec 19 16:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] 2-0 Fuhlam, seems like Utd are determined not to be top by New Year | Dec 19 16:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Would anyone have documentation for the WordPress WXR XML format? Can't find anything on wordpress.org. Must fix broken WXR file. | Dec 19 16:12 | |
| Eruaran | To hurt us they'd have to put the choke on at least two major suppliers - this would immediately land both Microsoft and those suppliers in court | Dec 19 16:12 |
| Eruaran | And whatever action they took would get immediate and very bad publicity that they wouldn't want | Dec 19 16:14 |
| Eruaran | They want to be seen as a little asian girl in Windows 7 ads... its like Scientology... if they start to look bad and the press is bad they'll suddenly turn victim and say they're all fluffy and nice and there was some kind of misunderstanding and it was someone elses fault | Dec 19 16:16 |
| shreddar | MS already gets bad publicity though. And you know how they handle it now. Astroturfers, bribes, flogs, and their leverage as advertisers. | Dec 19 16:18 |
| Eruaran | They'd have to start a proxy war through a competitor | Dec 19 16:19 |
| Eruaran | But were service based rather than retail | Dec 19 16:19 |
| Eruaran | They'd have to try and use a proxy to poach customers | Dec 19 16:20 |
| Eruaran | But they'll lose them quickly if they can't provide good enough service | Dec 19 16:20 |
| Eruaran | And the customer returns to someone they know is reliable | Dec 19 16:20 |
| shreddar | So it might not be worth the effort for them. | Dec 19 16:21 |
| Eruaran | yes | Dec 19 16:21 |
| Eruaran | Lets say Novell wants to poach Red Hat's customers... lets say they win a couple with enticing deals... Red Hat's standards of service are very high, will Novell match Red Hat's award winning level of service and retain these customers ? | Dec 19 16:24 |
| shreddar | I'm sure you know this already but, they'll still likely blacklist you for other conference I imagine. | Dec 19 16:25 |
| Eruaran | hehe of course | Dec 19 16:26 |
| shreddar | So make it count. | Dec 19 16:26 |
| Eruaran | Telstra targets Internode customers (Internode won a court battle against Telstra), they offer people deals that sound better than Internode. But Telstra can't match Internode's level of customer service. At the end of the contract, they lose the customer who goes back to Internode. | Dec 19 16:27 |
| cubezzz | is there a way to monitor an XP box remotely on a Linux box? | Dec 19 16:29 |
| shreddar | Ask him why Internet Explorer still suck so bad. | Dec 19 16:30 |
| Eruaran | lol | Dec 19 16:31 |
| Eruaran | we routinely uninstall IE8 from new PC's | Dec 19 16:31 |
| Eruaran | Its a dog | Dec 19 16:31 |
| Eruaran | (the new PCs that we can uninstall it from that is) | Dec 19 16:32 |
| cubezzz | his customer if mine is saying he's getting a message "battery life low" on his desktop | Dec 19 16:32 |
| shreddar | Only frase it in a much more political way. | Dec 19 16:32 |
| Eruaran | IE8 is unstable | Dec 19 16:32 |
| cubezzz | I guess I could buy pcanywhere for Linux | Dec 19 16:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] WordPress WXR workaround: disable the validation check in wp-admin/import/wordpress.php :-D Now importing all ... | Dec 19 16:33 | |
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| Eruaran | cubezzz, Nagios ? | Dec 19 16:34 |
| Eruaran | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagios | Dec 19 16:34 |
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| Eruaran | I haven't used it but it looks like it might be useful | Dec 19 16:37 |
| Eruaran | possibly, maybe... | Dec 19 16:37 |
| cubezzz | I'll try it | Dec 19 16:37 |
| amarsh04 | I've had what sound like Indian call centre people trying to entice me to use Bigpond (I'm an Internode customer). The non-metered content on Internode, friendly and expert local customer service, not to mention their superior quality network means that I'll stay with Internode | Dec 19 16:43 |
| Eruaran | haha I love the comments on the bing guy video | Dec 19 16:44 |
| Eruaran | Exestenz: wtf is a bing. xmuta: Google it. d4741us: ROFL | Dec 19 16:46 |
| shreddar | http://www.rdmag.com/News/Feeds/2009/12/information-tech-interoperability-the-other-side-of-our-settlement/ | Dec 19 16:47 |
| Eruaran | amarsh04, yes, they are targeting Internode customers - Telstra also offers bogus deals where you don't get everything that was offered. | Dec 19 16:52 |
| amarsh04 | I can believe that Eruaran | Dec 19 16:52 |
| Eruaran | lol that video is attracting some great comments | Dec 19 16:55 |
| Eruaran | "Ballmers gravestone... *Bing!*" | Dec 19 16:55 |
| MinceR | ll | Dec 19 16:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 16:55 |
| Eruaran | "Bing!" = Ballmer's safety word. | Dec 19 16:57 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 19 16:59 |
| MinceR | so he's a masochist? | Dec 19 16:59 |
| notzed | i haven't had a phone company call me since the do not call list was setup | Dec 19 17:01 |
| notzed | although i've had a couple of door knocks. i just say my calls cost 9c australia wide untimed and they leave | Dec 19 17:02 |
| Eruaran | One person commented that the behaviour the guy in the video describes is exactly the type of behaviour that sociopaths who work in offices exhibit. | Dec 19 17:02 |
| Eruaran | Someone else said, "that sounds exactly like Steve Ballmer. You just can't make up that kind of insanity" | Dec 19 17:03 |
| Eruaran | "Uploaded using iPhone" BING! | Dec 19 17:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #European Commission Unable to Defend #FreeSoftware from #Microsoft #Patent Racket http://ur1.ca/i7p2 | Dec 19 17:06 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... just had this most annoying Firefox bug | Dec 19 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Some page that I was loading I reckon was causing Firefox to act weird all around | Dec 19 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Restarting and restoring all tabs led to reproducibility | Dec 19 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Very annoying | Dec 19 17:07 |
| schestowitz | nNyway, bbl | Dec 19 17:07 |
| *schestowitz fling chair at Lucuwski | Dec 19 17:07 | |
| Eruaran | Bing! | Dec 19 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Bada | Dec 19 17:07 |
| schestowitz | *Lucowski (IIRC) | Dec 19 17:07 |
| cubezzz | Lucovsky | Dec 19 17:09 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lucovsky | Dec 19 17:10 |
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| shreddar_ | My chrome has been crashing sprastically badly lately. | Dec 19 17:18 |
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| shreddar_ | It's a really disappointing regression since they recently released a Beta for other distros. | Dec 19 17:20 |
| shreddar_ | I hope the next Chromium update fixes it. | Dec 19 17:20 |
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| Eruaran | Chakra looks like a promising distro | Dec 19 17:33 |
| Eruaran | Arch based | Dec 19 17:33 |
| Eruaran | still alpha atm | Dec 19 17:34 |
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| shreddar_ | I did again. Atleast the crashes aren't random | Dec 19 17:36 |
| shreddar_ | It's always when I click on certain things. | Dec 19 17:37 |
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| shreddar_ | Or try to install themes. | Dec 19 17:37 |
| shreddar_ | Or download anything | Dec 19 17:41 |
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| shreddar | http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/IE-9-Standards-and-Interoperability/ | Dec 19 17:45 |
| shreddar | read the comments | Dec 19 17:46 |
| shreddar | they're not as good as the ones on the IE9 announcement but still fun. | Dec 19 17:46 |
| Eruaran | "The IE team is busy working on the next version of the world's most popular browser" | Dec 19 17:50 |
| Eruaran | Don't you just love how they characterise a browser that people get already installed on their Windows PC by default, "popular". | Dec 19 17:51 |
| Eruaran | A dauntingly large percentage of those people don't even know what you're talking about when you use the words "web browser". | Dec 19 17:51 |
| shreddar | It can't be popular if most of the peple who use it don't understand what abrowser is. | Dec 19 17:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Best Buy and Geek Squad claim #Ubuntu #Linux causes hardware to break, refuse to fix broken PSU. Avoid. http://bit.ly/7lLtwW | Dec 19 17:52 | |
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| Eruaran | If you tell a lot of people to start their web browser they wont understand | Dec 19 17:52 |
| shreddar | let a one which one they use. | Dec 19 17:53 |
| Eruaran | You ask them if they have Internet Explorer and they understand that | Dec 19 17:53 |
| Eruaran | they think of "internet explorer" in generic terms | Dec 19 17:54 |
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| Eruaran | If you ask "do you have an internet explorer" they'll say "oh yes" | Dec 19 17:54 |
| satipera | 3 | Dec 19 17:54 |
| Eruaran | this is the level of ignorance you're dealing with here | Dec 19 17:54 |
| Eruaran | IE isn't "popular" its simply default | Dec 19 17:55 |
| shreddar | Well I wouldn't say they're are ignorant just uninterested. | Dec 19 17:57 |
| Eruaran | Someone who doesn't know such basic things is ignorant. | Dec 19 17:58 |
| Eruaran | The average user in the 90's knew what a web browser was. | Dec 19 17:58 |
| shreddar | But there are more PC users than there were in the 90. Simply because of the internet. | Dec 19 17:59 |
| Eruaran | And despite the genuine popularity of Firefox, a vast sea of users know nothing but Windows and Internet Explorer. | Dec 19 18:00 |
| shreddar | Alot of people still don't want to know how to use a PC. The ones that do simply do want to learn the internet. | Dec 19 18:01 |
| shreddar | They aren't informed on such things because they are only interested in function. | Dec 19 18:01 |
| shreddar | They don't care about the potential of a PC. | Dec 19 18:02 |
| notzed | actually i'd say they're actively disinterested in learning | Dec 19 18:02 |
| satipera | Guardian technology 1 month without linux article floss not much better | Dec 19 18:03 |
| shreddar | They want to learn they just don't want to learn how to use a device that most people associate with work and failure. | Dec 19 18:03 |
| notzed | not the people i've observed :) | Dec 19 18:03 |
| shreddar | Alot of people have been taught that If something goes wrong it's their fault. | Dec 19 18:04 |
| notzed | well it usually is :) | Dec 19 18:04 |
| notzed | but that's how you have to learn | Dec 19 18:04 |
| shreddar | True but people don't need that kind of responcibiliy. They need things that work the way you expect them to. | Dec 19 18:06 |
| Eruaran | My VLC has a little Santa hat | Dec 19 18:08 |
| satipera | If something goes wrong, it is often not the fault of the person of concerned | Dec 19 18:08 |
| satipera | even recent history is awash with examples | Dec 19 18:09 |
| cubezzz | new term for the MPAA: | Dec 19 18:12 |
| cubezzz | "copyright maximalist" | Dec 19 18:12 |
| satipera | Is it the fault of the individual that he was blown away by a corporation and its lawyers? | Dec 19 18:13 |
| notzed | depends i would say, but that's something entirely different from computer `breaking' | Dec 19 18:14 |
| satipera | :) I should know better than join a conversation half way. | Dec 19 18:15 |
| notzed | :) | Dec 19 18:16 |
| notzed | hmm, even angstrom fits xmms and the gimp in it's cd-rom sized install | Dec 19 18:20 |
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| shreddar | I'm not sure on this but I think a some point web developers wanted IE to be the the standard. Simply because they didn't want make several versions for other browsers. | Dec 19 18:28 |
| shreddar | They wanted to just make one version and focus on it. | Dec 19 18:29 |
| shreddar | Because one of my relatives who used to be a web designer kind of scoff a the people who use firefox. | Dec 19 18:30 |
| shreddar | Web explain about it to her daughter. | Dec 19 18:30 |
| shreddar | Web = when | Dec 19 18:30 |
| shreddar | Like firefox users were second class citizens or something. | Dec 19 18:31 |
| shreddar | That's the way it sounded anyway. | Dec 19 18:32 |
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| shreddar | I know most developers now hate IE because it doesn't have any of the nice new implementation of the other browsers and it's not well documented. | Dec 19 18:33 |
| shreddar | Also, I guess now they have to make seperate version anyways because of the different version of IE now. | Dec 19 18:34 |
| shreddar | Anyway it just occurred to me how that might be a major change now at day. | Dec 19 18:35 |
| shreddar | s | Dec 19 18:35 |
| cubezzz | 2nd class compared to what? | Dec 19 18:37 |
| shreddar | IE users. | Dec 19 18:38 |
| cubezzz | the first browsers were unix based | Dec 19 18:38 |
| cubezzz | pffffft | Dec 19 18:38 |
| cubezzz | i'd say the opposite | Dec 19 18:38 |
| shreddar | I think alot of people feel that way now. | Dec 19 18:39 |
| shreddar | But I think they developers might have been feeling different durring the Netscape vs Internet Explorer times. | Dec 19 18:39 |
| cubezzz | ok, nextstep to be precise | Dec 19 18:40 |
| cubezzz | which is Unix-like | Dec 19 18:40 |
| shreddar | At least when IE became the majority. | Dec 19 18:40 |
| cubezzz | younger devs maybe | Dec 19 18:40 |
| cubezzz | a new dark ages :-/ | Dec 19 18:42 |
| cubezzz | viola was quite advanced and had some of the functions firefox has now | Dec 19 18:43 |
| shreddar | Netscape was very popular before Microsoft attacked them with their partners and platform dominance. | Dec 19 18:44 |
| shreddar | But I don't devs cared. | Dec 19 18:45 |
| cubezzz | sorry, again I'm a little inaccurate | Dec 19 18:45 |
| cubezzz | it's been a while | Dec 19 18:45 |
| cubezzz | violaWWW it was called | Dec 19 18:45 |
| cubezzz | devs? what devs? :) | Dec 19 18:46 |
| cubezzz | devs in general? | Dec 19 18:46 |
| shreddar | Web developers. | Dec 19 18:46 |
| shreddar | They just wanted to make website without worrying about which browser people were using. | Dec 19 18:47 |
| cubezzz | ok.... well there are standards eh? :) | Dec 19 18:47 |
| cubezzz | remember the button? | Dec 19 18:47 |
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| cubezzz | w3c ring any bells? | Dec 19 18:47 |
| shreddar | Yeah but back then most browser had extra things with their impletation. | Dec 19 18:47 |
| cubezzz | ok, so you are talking about 1995-2000? | Dec 19 18:48 |
| shreddar | Yeah | Dec 19 18:48 |
| cubezzz | still there are Mac web devs, and Unix web devs | Dec 19 18:48 |
| cubezzz | netscape was originally a unix program | Dec 19 18:49 |
| cubezzz | the whole point is to be able to see web pages on any computer | Dec 19 18:49 |
| cubezzz | not the stuff microsoft is trying to force on us | Dec 19 18:50 |
| cubezzz | I admit, 1995-2000 was a dark ages of computing, no doubt about it | Dec 19 18:50 |
| notzed | well yeah, the rise of microsoft | Dec 19 18:51 |
| cubezzz | you may as well say IE devs and be done with it | Dec 19 18:51 |
| notzed | can't get much darker than that | Dec 19 18:51 |
| cubezzz | not "web dev" | Dec 19 18:51 |
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| cubezzz | if you go back to the late 80's (and my memory is very good) | Dec 19 18:53 |
| cubezzz | we had wais, ftp and gopher | Dec 19 18:53 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't that long ago | Dec 19 18:53 |
| cubezzz | I telnetted into Waterloo's library | Dec 19 18:54 |
| cubezzz | I have to say win95 was the low point | Dec 19 18:54 |
| cubezzz | that is when everything went to crap | Dec 19 18:54 |
| cubezzz | in the windows 3.0 era we still had a lot of folks on MS DOS | Dec 19 18:55 |
| cubezzz | but most hobbyists were using stuff like FidoNet | Dec 19 18:56 |
| cubezzz | and BBSes | Dec 19 18:56 |
| shreddar | Well I think there was a big push in businesses to standardize on one compatible set of computers. | Dec 19 18:56 |
| cubezzz | it didn't matter which computer you had | Dec 19 18:56 |
| cubezzz | well, that's what we ended up with, but we are reverting back to a diversity again | Dec 19 18:57 |
| cubezzz | thankfully | Dec 19 18:57 |
| cubezzz | we had lots of platforms in the 80's | Dec 19 18:57 |
| shreddar | Well, now we have open source and a set of standards for interoperability. | Dec 19 18:58 |
| cubezzz | I can only hope when ARM based stuff becomes more common we will go back to "normal" | Dec 19 18:58 |
| notzed | arm will only be portable stuff for a while yet though | Dec 19 18:59 |
| notzed | it's edge is (only) power usage | Dec 19 18:59 |
| shreddar | Back then everything was closed and proprietary so it didn't make much difference witch one they standardized on. | Dec 19 18:59 |
| cubezzz | well I think you could get a BSD pretty far back | Dec 19 19:00 |
| shreddar | Not far enough back. | Dec 19 19:01 |
| shreddar | Had freeBSD or Linux been options on the original IBM PC things would be way different now. | Dec 19 19:01 |
| notzed | if you could afford the hardware | Dec 19 19:02 |
| cubezzz | no that was the lack of an MMU not the software | Dec 19 19:02 |
| notzed | or if they'd chosen 68k not x86 | Dec 19 19:02 |
| cubezzz | shreddar, there was Venix | Dec 19 19:02 |
| cubezzz | but I think it was closed | Dec 19 19:02 |
| cubezzz | can't remember ever seeing the source code for 8086 Unix clones | Dec 19 19:02 |
| cubezzz | you could get a mag tape of BSD all the way back to 1980 I think | Dec 19 19:03 |
| cubezzz | I know you could run Venix on IBM PC | Dec 19 19:04 |
| cubezzz | or a PDP-11 | Dec 19 19:04 |
| shreddar | It wasn't a matter of technical capabilities but price. | Dec 19 19:05 |
| shreddar | PC-DOS was the cheapest of all the options. | Dec 19 19:05 |
| cubezzz | oh and Mark WIlliams Unix was cheap :) | Dec 19 19:05 |
| cubezzz | yeah it was all closed | Dec 19 19:06 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure why I never saw BSD code until the early 90's | Dec 19 19:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Linux Friendly Companies - UK | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9q6la9 | Dec 19 19:07 | |
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| cubezzz | I'll have a look in google groups pre-1990 | Dec 19 19:08 |
| cubezzz | bsd unix goes back to 1978 | Dec 19 19:08 |
| cubezzz | almost nothing archived on the subject before 1986 | Dec 19 19:13 |
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| cubezzz | we had access to a lot of Unix System V code back in 1988-1989 | Dec 19 19:19 |
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| cubezzz | but definitely we weren't talking about an "open source os" | Dec 19 19:20 |
| cubezzz | these early Linus emails are rather ....unfriendly :) | Dec 19 19:22 |
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| Navaneet | @fedora11 | Dec 19 19:22 |
| shreddar | Venix costed $400 and wasn't available as a option at the launch the IBM PC. By contrast PC-DOS costed $40 was available at launch. | Dec 19 19:24 |
| Navaneet | can any1 help in fedora related problem ?? | Dec 19 19:24 |
| Navaneet | #fedora | Dec 19 19:24 |
| cubezzz | shreddar, maybe but which one would you rather use? :) | Dec 19 19:24 |
| cubezzz | I certainly remember using Venix in 1986 | Dec 19 19:25 |
| Navaneet | fedora 11 | Dec 19 19:25 |
| shreddar | Had a free OS been available at launch I'm sure that would have been the popular one and in turn used in PC compatibles. | Dec 19 19:25 |
| cubezzz | Navaneet, I think you want "/join #fedora" | Dec 19 19:25 |
| Navaneet | @cubezzz->thanx for reminding me... | Dec 19 19:26 |
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| amarsh04 | that was 1993 | Dec 19 19:28 |
| cubezzz | Venix in 1986, Xenix 286 in 1987 and Unix System V in 1988 | Dec 19 19:28 |
| shreddar | But the IBM PC was announced in 1981. | Dec 19 19:28 |
| cubezzz | shreddar, I'm saying I used Venix in 1986, I don't know exactly when it came out | Dec 19 19:29 |
| shreddar | I think it might have come out 3 years after the PC. | Dec 19 19:31 |
| cubezzz | maybe one of those "history of Unix" charts would tell us | Dec 19 19:32 |
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| cubezzz | ok, I found it :) duh | Dec 19 19:33 |
| cubezzz | 1984 | Dec 19 19:33 |
| cubezzz | so you are right | Dec 19 19:33 |
| cubezzz | in 1984 I was using Commodore Pet still :) | Dec 19 19:34 |
| cubezzz | and Vic-20 | Dec 19 19:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] First drink of the evening is milled wine. Can't see this catching on #fb | Dec 19 19:34 | |
| cubezzz | Tanenbaum certainly got his predictions wrong | Dec 19 19:35 |
| cubezzz | Intel hardware is "weird" :) | Dec 19 19:35 |
| cubezzz | "Feb 3, 1992 Subject: Linux is obsolete" ;-) | Dec 19 19:37 |
| amarsh04 | in 1982 I was using the VAX-11/780 at uni | Dec 19 19:37 |
| cubezzz | huh, you are older than me then | Dec 19 19:37 |
| cubezzz | "when Hurd proliferates Linux will be obsolete" | Dec 19 19:39 |
| shreddar | That might have been true the Hurd proliferated. Which didn't happen because nobody had a use for microkernels back then. | Dec 19 19:42 |
| cubezzz | there was Minix on Amiga but I never saw it | Dec 19 19:43 |
| amarsh04 | and our uni couldn't afford real vt100 terminals so we had infotons | Dec 19 19:44 |
| amarsh04 | some of my aquaintances in the early 1990's used minix on amigas | Dec 19 19:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah Minix was pretty portable | Dec 19 19:46 |
| cubezzz | ok shreddar | Dec 19 19:49 |
| shreddar | I don't think people cared as much about Minux being a microkernel as much as it was about it be open source. | Dec 19 19:49 |
| cubezzz | Tanenbaum says "buy Coherent" in 1992, back then it was $99 | Dec 19 19:49 |
| cubezzz | if you want cheap Unix | Dec 19 19:49 |
| cubezzz | I paid $200 for my first Lattice C compiler | Dec 19 19:50 |
| cubezzz | you could buy Taenbaum's OS book in 1987 | Dec 19 19:51 |
| amarsh04 | there were a few svr4.0 vendors for x86 in the early 1990's interactive (acquired by sun), consensys, microport | Dec 19 19:51 |
| cubezzz | so before that you probably had to pay lots of $$$ | Dec 19 19:51 |
| amarsh04 | hardware was also more expensive of course | Dec 19 19:52 |
| shreddar | I meant Minix. | Dec 19 19:54 |
| shreddar | I know I'm not the first to call it Minux though. | Dec 19 19:55 |
| cubezzz | http://www.robotwisdom.com/linux/timeline.html | Dec 19 19:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Timeline of GNU/Linux and Unix .::. Size~: 76.55 KB | Dec 19 19:55 |
| cubezzz | heh, just noticed that | Dec 19 19:56 |
| cubezzz | 1972 Unix is written mostly in C | Dec 19 19:56 |
| cubezzz | 1976: Xerox invents ethernet :) | Dec 19 19:57 |
| cubezzz | 1979 Unix version 7 (with source code) | Dec 19 19:58 |
| cubezzz | so in theory we could have had an open source OS in 1979 | Dec 19 19:59 |
| Eruaran | Coherent had the most awesome Unix manual I've ever seen. | Dec 19 19:59 |
| cubezzz | do you still have it? | Dec 19 19:59 |
| Eruaran | No :( | Dec 19 20:00 |
| shreddar | We could have had it after the invention of the computer memory. | Dec 19 20:00 |
| Eruaran | I never had it, a friend did, I used to borrow it. | Dec 19 20:00 |
| shreddar | All we needed was a GPL for it. | Dec 19 20:00 |
| Eruaran | ah the memories | Dec 19 20:00 |
| Eruaran | Coherent, its manual and "mind our dust" | Dec 19 20:01 |
| cubezzz | yes, but we how many of us would have had computer access back then? | Dec 19 20:01 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, I have my Xenix books still | Dec 19 20:01 |
| cubezzz | and all my notes too | Dec 19 20:01 |
| amarsh04 | remember the qnx demo floppy? | Dec 19 20:01 |
| amarsh04 | booted a graphical web browser off a 1.44MB floppy | Dec 19 20:02 |
| cubezzz | amarsh04, I heard of it, never used it | Dec 19 20:02 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz is like a computer guru who have seen it all :-) | Dec 19 20:02 |
| cubezzz | not really | Dec 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz | On my first computer I had colour... 4 of them | Dec 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz | cGA | Dec 19 20:03 |
| cubezzz | I have been into computers since the late 70's | Dec 19 20:03 |
| cubezzz | the term we used for old timers was "BC" | Dec 19 20:04 |
| cubezzz | as in "Before Computers" :-0 | Dec 19 20:04 |
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| cubezzz | ah, this says that Venix was 1983 which disagrees with wikipedia | Dec 19 20:05 |
| cubezzz | VenturCom | Dec 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | What qualifies as computer? | Dec 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Each has a definition to suit self | Dec 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | In Manchester we say we had the first computer | Dec 19 20:06 |
| cubezzz | well I would say digital computer to be precise | Dec 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | First _programmable_ one | Dec 19 20:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The rain has just washed away all the snow, which was heavy. Still cold.. | Dec 19 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | But calculators too are computers | Dec 19 20:06 |
| shreddar | It has to operate on a set of instructions. | Dec 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Abacus too in some way | Dec 19 20:06 |
| shreddar | or something to that effect. | Dec 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Or abstract turning machines made of boxes | Dec 19 20:06 |
| cubezzz | it has to have loop and branching capabilities | Dec 19 20:06 |
| schestowitz | And electricity goes bad to Baghdad battery | Dec 19 20:07 |
| cubezzz | ok, there you have it venix goes back to Sept. 1983 | Dec 19 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Same with aeroplanes | Dec 19 20:07 |
| cubezzz | you know people could make money from Linux just publishing manuals and good books | Dec 19 20:08 |
| shreddar | Or selling disks with some nice cover art. | Dec 19 20:09 |
| shreddar | And customised themes and stuff. | Dec 19 20:10 |
| shreddar | I think might try that. | Dec 19 20:10 |
| cubezzz | I guess I'll say Colossus Mark 1 for the 1st computer | Dec 19 20:10 |
| cubezzz | programming via patch cables | Dec 19 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/webcam_gaffe/ | Dec 19 20:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Swedish bankers punt webcam smut to kiddies • The Register .::. Size~: 24.17 KB | Dec 19 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know if the Bing "you're fired" video was authentic? | Dec 19 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I see no news coverage about it | Dec 19 20:14 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, probaby not, it's a joke | Dec 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Can someone just verify it's not a fake? | Dec 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | How do you know? | Dec 19 20:15 |
| cubezzz | I'm not 100% sure but look at the source | Dec 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | YouTube | Dec 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's also in a site | Dec 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Embedded | Dec 19 20:15 |
| shreddar | I don't know nobody does. But thats what I heard on reddit | Dec 19 20:16 |
| cubezzz | Scott Rose is a Mac Consultant and a comedian | Dec 19 20:17 |
| shreddar | Yeah but I we still don't know the guy he interviewed was. It's just suspicious. | Dec 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/19/psystar_goes_out_of_business/ | Dec 19 20:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hackintosher goes titsup • The Register .::. Size~: 36.59 KB | Dec 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Pschostar falls like an asteroid | Dec 19 20:19 |
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| yuhong | I am now trying to rebut a claim. | Dec 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I'll butt | Dec 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | You'll rebutt | Dec 19 20:20 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Dec 19 20:20 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/11/vista-7-insecurity-2/ | Dec 19 20:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Trend Micro: Vista 7 Less Secure Than Vista | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 129.23 KB | Dec 19 20:21 |
| yuhong | Scroll down to December 19th, 2009 at 10:11 am" | Dec 19 20:21 |
| yuhong | Scroll down to "December 19th, 2009 at 10:11 am" | Dec 19 20:21 |
| yuhong | It was by your_friend. | Dec 19 20:22 |
| yuhong | Just wrote a new comment. | Dec 19 20:23 |
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| yuhong | NT is not fundementally insecure. | Dec 19 20:23 |
| yuhong | http://www.reactos.org/en/about.html | Dec 19 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | I was about to reply... | Dec 19 20:25 |
| trmanco | so was i | Dec 19 20:25 |
| cubezzz | umm | Dec 19 20:25 |
| trmanco | that is react os' view of NT | Dec 19 20:25 |
| trmanco | ask for a unix gurus view of NT security | Dec 19 20:25 |
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| cubezzz | I prefer Unix type systems | Dec 19 20:27 |
| cubezzz | or AROS | Dec 19 20:28 |
| cubezzz | you can put all the BSDs and Linuxes in that mix | Dec 19 20:28 |
| cubezzz | and ReactOS is an alpha stage | Dec 19 20:29 |
| cubezzz | is=in | Dec 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: that's what I just told him | Dec 19 20:31 |
| shreddar | They should start a Free OS/2 project just for those poor guys who got sucked in. | Dec 19 20:31 |
| schestowitz | They justify their choices | Dec 19 20:31 |
| satipera | For all those of us who have not been out on the pop tonight and live in liz land. BBC2 9.00pm definitive blade runner . How it was meant to be seen. | Dec 19 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know the lady who will run Canonica;? | Dec 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Jane Silber, | Dec 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | now CEO | Dec 19 20:32 |
| schestowitz | It'll calm down the "Shuttleworth is sexist" crowd | Dec 19 20:33 |
| satipera | That is exactly what I thought | Dec 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.canonical.com/aboutus/team | Dec 19 20:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Our team | Canonical .::. Size~: 14.72 KB | Dec 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh!! | Dec 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | That's her... | Dec 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&source=hp&q=Jane+Silber%2C&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Dec 19 20:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jane Silber, - Google Search .::. Size~: 46.97 KB | Dec 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I know her from a video on linux.com | Dec 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/347 | Dec 19 20:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Meet Jane Silber | The Fridge .::. Size~: 8.76 KB | Dec 19 20:34 |
| satipera | The substance of her previous position should say how things are. This is not a canonical pr faff. | Dec 19 20:36 |
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| shreddar | Eruaran you should ask Ballmer if he they have any plans for the ballot screen here in the US. | Dec 19 20:38 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran talks directly to Ballmer? | Dec 19 20:38 |
| shreddar | Know but he might be at one of his conferences. | Dec 19 20:38 |
| shreddar | Know = No | Dec 19 20:39 |
| shreddar | Anyone suck as much at Grammer and Spelling as me? Chrome/Chromium has crappy spell check. | Dec 19 20:40 |
| shreddar | But I have to have my Multiprocces Tabs. | Dec 19 20:40 |
| shreddar | Plus I like the look better. | Dec 19 20:41 |
| cubezzz | dict or ispell -a for me :) | Dec 19 20:41 |
| cubezzz | curl dict://dict.org/d:$1 | Dec 19 20:42 |
| shreddar | Firefox used to be about getting rid of bloatware/featureidis but I think Chrome has gone further in that regard. | Dec 19 20:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Meet #Canonical ’s New CEO (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/19/chat-with-jane-silber/ #ubuntu #janesilber | Dec 19 20:43 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: kde4 has a plasmoid for it | Dec 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | kde 3.1 also had nice tools for it | Dec 19 20:46 |
| schestowitz | What do you guys think of Canonical's CEO? | Dec 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | SHe's amicable, IMHO | Dec 19 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Sheer contract to the old man from Apple and the madman from Microsoft | Dec 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | *Contrast | Dec 19 20:48 |
| shreddar | She nice. | Dec 19 20:48 |
| satipera | Roy, wait a while . The truth always come out. | Dec 19 20:48 |
| shreddar | She make shreddar feel comfort shreddar like comfort. | Dec 19 20:48 |
| satipera | Hhopefully | Dec 19 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Whotz this? http://www.carbonmountain.com/ | Dec 19 20:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Carbon Mountain | Virtualization, Networking, Storage, Applications and Cloud. Unified. .::. Size~: 4.82 KB | Dec 19 20:49 |
| satipera | It's good. | Dec 19 20:49 |
| satipera | :) | Dec 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Not being tough has its costs also | Dec 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I can't envision her telling off jono for doing a hack job on BN :-p | Dec 19 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Mark got bored and decided to go into orbit again | Dec 19 20:51 |
| shreddar | I can't envision anyone at any company open source or not doing that schesowitz. | Dec 19 20:51 |
| satipera | Night all, I have 15 mins to copyright infringe a really good film. This one i would pay for. | Dec 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: Novell... | Dec 19 20:51 |
| schestowitz | But it's a "mixed source" company | Dec 19 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | "Night all, I have 15 mins to copyright infringe a really good film." | Dec 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | You know, the party party uses Ubuntu | Dec 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | They also say they "love open source and free software" | Dec 19 20:52 |
| schestowitz | The Swedish founder says he's in favour of breaking down proprietary monopolies | Dec 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | There are now 'pirate' parties for copyright reform in 6 continents | Dec 19 20:53 |
| shreddar | I'd like for that too. | Dec 19 20:53 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Germany managed to push some of these guys into parliament too, so it's a rising force for copyright reform | Dec 19 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | On trademark they (he) say, "it is there also to protect the recipient, not just the vendor" (not exact quote) | Dec 19 20:54 |
| shreddar | I'd like creative commons to be seen as better in the eyes of society. | Dec 19 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | They want a 5-year limit on copyright to affect also GPL/FS. | Dec 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: my friends don't know Creative Commons | Dec 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | They know stuff like "MTV" and "britney" | Dec 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Roughly speaking | Dec 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Licensing does not occur to them as a factor | Dec 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Since 2004 I've had one good site for free graphics | Dec 19 20:55 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi, sebsebseb | Dec 19 20:55 |
| shreddar | Yeah they don't have to know it. They just have to know the benefits of it. And know when they are missing. | Dec 19 20:55 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: I listen to free music now | Dec 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Been doing this for ages.... it's better than some of the stuff on TV | Dec 19 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Dec 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | ChartShow TV... | Dec 19 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | what's this about music, I just joined | Dec 19 20:56 |
| schestowitz | We talk about creative commons... | Dec 19 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nook-rooted-by-NookDevs/ | Dec 19 20:57 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Android e-reader rooted, booed, and sued - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 65.04 KB | Dec 19 20:57 |
| shreddar | I watch this show on blip via roku called The Indie Music Show. | Dec 19 20:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009121802935OPCY | Dec 19 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | I prefer kde4 gui to osx http://techgage.com/article/ten_kde_4_tricks_worth_knowing_about/ | Dec 19 21:09 |
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| shreddar | I think both KDE and OSX have it's shortcomings. | Dec 19 21:12 |
| shreddar | KDE has a crappy browser while OSX has a slightly difficult (for those of use to who use PCs) behavior. | Dec 19 21:13 |
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| shreddar | I say slightly because I'm sure I could get used to it given enough time. | Dec 19 21:14 |
| shreddar | When I was at the Apple store I had the privilege of trying one out. | Dec 19 21:14 |
| shreddar | I also know OSX doesn't let you customise much. | Dec 19 21:15 |
| shreddar | But they do seem to have better application integration than KDE. | Dec 19 21:16 |
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| ThistleWind | apple know what's cool damnit, how dare normal users think they can decide what's cool | Dec 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2009/12/has-transgaming-abandoned-cedega.html | Dec 19 21:17 |
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| shreddar | This could be because I had to use Firefox which doesn't integrate well at all. | Dec 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWind: the help you leave your brain in th jar | Dec 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Stop thinking | Dec 19 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They say Java is bad for teaching computers... | Dec 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Dumbing down.... | Dec 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Our brain will fall off like a tail... | Dec 19 21:18 |
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| cubezzz | a closed source OS isn't worth consideration | Dec 19 21:23 |
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| shreddar | Speaking of Desktops my Gnome desktop is fuckin up again. Can I have at least one Distro where Gnome doesn't break by some update or whatever? | Dec 19 21:24 |
| cubezzz | I've had to do "killall -9 gconfd-2" sometimes | Dec 19 21:26 |
| cubezzz | dare I suggest ctrl-alt-backspace? | Dec 19 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.deviceguru.com/whats-not-going-to-happen-in-2010/ | Dec 19 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | hehe... http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-18-018-35-RV-RH-0001 They accused one of the best Linux writers of astroturfing?? | Dec 19 21:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Fedora 12 Constantine - Mixed feelings .::. Size~: 77.01 KB | Dec 19 21:27 |
| cubezzz | or init 3 then init 5 | Dec 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: what does it do now? The three-finger salute... | Dec 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to try.. | Dec 19 21:27 |
| shreddar | I might try that. But that's the problem with gnome is it's too compenentised so things like this happen too often. | Dec 19 21:28 |
| cubezzz | restarts X and usually fixes gnome/kde probs | Dec 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But a newer X disabled ctrl+alt+backspace | Dec 19 21:28 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, yes that's why I said init 3 then init 5 | Dec 19 21:28 |
| shreddar | componentised | Dec 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: does it? | Dec 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I doubt it | Dec 19 21:28 |
| cubezzz | try it :) | Dec 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I'll try later | Dec 19 21:29 |
| cubezzz | 3 - Full multi-user mode | Dec 19 21:29 |
| cubezzz | 5 - Full multi-user mode (with an X-based login screen) | Dec 19 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Blowing up x is bad practice | Dec 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I might try it later to see if you're just fooling with me | Dec 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | In older Linuxes ctrl+alt+del did nothing | Dec 19 21:44 |
| pentarex | hmm what ctrl+alt+backspace do ? | Dec 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3849381/ | Dec 19 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | Better than "error #000232aa | Dec 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | pentarex: try it and tell me when you log in again :-) | Dec 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | But I think it's disabled in vanilla x | Dec 19 21:46 |
| pentarex | dunno | Dec 19 21:46 |
| pentarex | restarting x | Dec 19 21:47 |
| pentarex | i know | Dec 19 21:47 |
| pentarex | :P | Dec 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* again...... | Dec 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Look what I've found.... | Dec 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | > Posted Dec 17, 2009 18:07 UTC (Thu) by *BrucePerens* (subscriber, | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > #2510) [Link <http://lwn.net/Articles/367127/> ] | Dec 19 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | > | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > I ran into Lefty at a community summit out here a while back, and | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > his emotional state was really high. He explained his beef with RMS | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > with a cry in his voice, I kid you not. When I was less than | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > sympathetic, he practically ran out of the room in tears. | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > Now, I am no stranger to getting emotional about things. But I've | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > learned that it doesn't generally help me win the argument. | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > He really needs to focus on ACCESS, which, IMO, is a sinking ship. | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | > RMS isn't the big problem in front of him. | Dec 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.privacydigest.com/2009/12/17/top%20arizona%20republican%20accused%20using%20voter%20database%20stalk%20woman | Dec 19 21:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Top Arizona Republican Accused of Using Voter Database to Stalk Woman | Privacy Digest .::. Size~: 31.23 KB | Dec 19 21:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This truly looks like a ripoff of NYT layout and almost name too http://ur1.ca/i85e Legal? | Dec 19 22:06 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple Windows 7? No, Microsoft OS-X - The New Blog Times .::. Size~: 86.76 KB | Dec 19 22:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] any ideas how to increase the font size in choqok a little? | Dec 19 22:14 | |
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| shreddar | OK i figured out what was wrong. Some how mute was checked on in my Sound Preferences. There appears to be 2 separate mutes and one of them only affect my music/video players. | Dec 19 22:25 |
| shreddar | I had to click on Volume Control to see that the other one was checked on. | Dec 19 22:25 |
| shreddar | It's just bad design on Volume Applet devs part. | Dec 19 22:26 |
| shreddar | Anyways I'm going again. Later. | Dec 19 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | @schestowitz : You're a Brit, get this one for your blog http://ur1.ca/i861 ;) | Dec 19 22:30 |
| schestowitz | http://stylewp.com/themes/the-beeb.html | Dec 19 22:30 |
| schestowitz | heh. | Dec 19 22:30 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: you wrote "Motzilla and" | Dec 19 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't know GL was CC...... http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20071231062341468 | Dec 19 22:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Various beers and jagermeister and pizza later . Lovely evening with 'internet friends'. #fb | Dec 19 22:55 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/even-self-appointed-benevolent-dictators-need-little-change | Dec 19 22:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Even Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictators Need a Little Change | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 43.8 KB | Dec 19 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8688221828.html?kc=rss | Dec 19 23:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Shuttleworth steps down as Ubuntu 10.04 alpha steps up .::. Size~: 39.59 KB | Dec 19 23:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nice new Hungarian distro: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=blackpanther | Dec 19 23:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DistroWatch.com: blackPanther OS .::. Size~: 47.22 KB | Dec 19 23:08 |
| MinceR | not really new :> | Dec 19 23:08 |
| schestowitz | 10.1 | Dec 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | kde four | Dec 19 23:10 |
| schestowitz | The New Konk | Dec 19 23:24 |
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| MinceR | why not Konq? | Dec 19 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm | Dec 19 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | that's old news now | Dec 19 23:25 |
| schestowitz | I got tired | Dec 19 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | the Shuttleworth doing something else stuff | Dec 19 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | for Caonical | Dec 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | kde4 like OpenSUSE | Dec 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe one day they'll do wiyth opensuse do | Dec 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Just without the Novell *blech* | Dec 19 23:26 |
| schestowitz | What the hck is this? http://daniel.hahler.de/hal-configuration-fdi-for-kingsis-peripherals-evoluent-verticalmouse-3 | Dec 19 23:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/12/hail_and_farewe.html;jsessionid=VOZ1VI2LGYFD5QE1GHRSKHWATMY32JVN "The only constant thing is change, and change has come my way. As of the end of 2009, I'll be leaving InformationWeek -- so over the next couple of days I thought I'd sum up a few points gleaned during my time here." | Dec 19 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | Pseudo-source-yes-men=Pseudo-source-yes-men--; | Dec 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwriting.com/blog/2022-moonlight-2-released-no-microsoft-codecs-unless-you-get-it-from-novell.html | Dec 19 23:41 |
| fewa | schestowitz, you see the yes men canada stunt? | Dec 19 23:41 |
| notzed | hmm, only in a browser eh. i thought both ms and novell were all about silverlight being the next great desktop toolkit, after the last great desktop toolkit flopped | Dec 19 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Sarko idiotism... maybe they should just block French IPs denying them access to these books that Brits can get still...... http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Business/10890.html | Dec 19 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: are they still going after the Chamber of Cronies sued them? | Dec 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Chamber of Commerse is attacking healthcare reform | Dec 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Are they not Federal? | Dec 19 23:49 |
| notzed | COC is just a business union | Dec 19 23:50 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Hi! Just finished family party.....Motzilla.....yeah...typo... | Dec 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/chamber_of_commerce_campaign_fight_health-care_ref.php | Dec 19 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Chamber of Commerce Campaign: Fight Health-Care Reform -- And Win A Trip To Hooters! | TPMMuckraker .::. Size~: 102.62 KB | Dec 19 23:50 |
| fewa | MS and Novell have such antiquated thinking | Dec 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Bury those arseholes... they are worse than FCC | Dec 19 23:51 |
| fewa | they are thinking from what they want (complete control over development and running of applications), and then trying whatever back-handed techniques to get there | Dec 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: twice | Dec 19 23:51 |
| fewa | not realizing its a lost cause | Dec 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | # Mozzarella Foundation - Mozilla Foundation | Dec 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquirer | Dec 19 23:52 |
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| fewa | Google instead goes "how can the company makes itsself integral in the functioning of the Internet?" | Dec 19 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Sarko is anal-ogue | Dec 19 23:52 |
| fewa | so that they are percieved as indespensible, you see | Dec 19 23:53 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: That was a little test to see if people were paying attention. Welldone! You've passed! | Dec 19 23:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] That was close, get the cab and the inlaws away before they are snowed in here.....in laws gone... Snowing heavy now too! | Dec 19 23:53 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Had you seen that Bing video before? That was a new discovery for me...sounds like typical Ballmer... | Dec 19 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/astronomers-discover-earth-like-exoplanet-2823 | Dec 19 23:57 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm still trying to find out if it's authentic | Dec 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | If so, the ramifications are serious | Dec 19 23:58 |
| notzed | because ballmer is as big a nutjob as we all suspected? | Dec 19 23:59 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I would have thought the fact that the chap was willing to show his face would add to its credibility.....ive covered myself with using the word allegation.. | Dec 19 23:59 |
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