| _goblin | schestowitz: I am surprised there was no employment tribuneral though..... | Dec 20 00:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ipublicis @snarf @schestowitz It seems the theme @ http://www.wpthemes.com/new-yorker-2-wordpress-theme/ #webdesign #wp | Dec 20 00:03 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Yorker 2 WordPress Theme | WPThemes.com - WordPress Themes .::. Size~: 36.19 KB | Dec 20 00:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ipublicis @snarf @schestowitz Original *free* theme @ http://ur1.ca/i8b5 #webdesign #wp | Dec 20 00:04 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New York Free Wordpress Theme Release | WP Skinner .::. Size~: 38.35 KB | Dec 20 00:04 |
| _goblin | I think I may do a retweet of sorts and see if this vid rings true with anyone else.... | Dec 20 00:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is this vid really an ex-Microsoft employee talking about Steve Ballmer in relation to Bing ? http://tinyurl.com/yfk298r #bing #microsoft | Dec 20 00:07 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bings got an iBug? Problems with Bing on iPhone? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 39.31 KB | Dec 20 00:07 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: ta | Dec 20 00:08 |
| _goblin | I thought it was a wonder I had never heard of this vid before.... | Dec 20 00:08 |
| _goblin | you never know, I may have a scoop! ?!?!? | Dec 20 00:09 |
| _goblin | and what better way to celebrate that then hitting my 100,000th reader (in approx 22 more reads) | Dec 20 00:10 |
| notzed | oddly enough searching for 'fired for not saying bing' returns 0 results on bing itself | Dec 20 00:11 |
| _goblin | still its funny..... | Dec 20 00:19 |
| _goblin | "Bing" | Dec 20 00:19 |
| _goblin | Bing - Noun - a heap or a pile. | Dec 20 00:19 |
| MinceR | a big steaming pile? | Dec 20 00:20 |
| _goblin | yep.... | Dec 20 00:20 |
| _goblin | you would have thought one MS employee would have checked its dictionary meaning before going with the name Bing. | Dec 20 00:20 |
| MinceR | are you saying they should have googled it? :> | Dec 20 00:21 |
| notzed | well i can't say 'bing' is in common usage as a word at all, apart from a limp-wristed version of 'ding' | Dec 20 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: the video is only days old | Dec 20 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I was made aware of it here in IRC | Dec 20 00:22 |
| Will_ | Bing! (lol) | Dec 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Bada | Dec 20 00:23 |
| _goblin | who by? | Dec 20 00:23 |
| MinceR | Bada-Bing? | Dec 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Badapile? | Dec 20 00:24 |
| MinceR | Bing makes me think of a certain character of the Friends series. | Dec 20 00:24 |
| Will_ | fake or not? (I might be a little skeptical of it if I hadn't seen Ballmer on Youtube before. I'm inclined to think it's real. | Dec 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll pull the vid | Dec 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I have a copy | Dec 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | ANd why? | Dec 20 00:24 |
| _goblin | me too! | Dec 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Cause they removd one before | Dec 20 00:24 |
| Will_ | good. | Dec 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | emember the iPhone stepping thing? | Dec 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer did something terrible | Dec 20 00:25 |
| *pentarex has quit ("AA is For Quitters !!! :D") | Dec 20 00:25 | |
| _goblin | and its going onto a tracker shortly....as well as the binaries... | Dec 20 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Some guy made a video | Dec 20 00:25 |
| schestowitz | And then he pulled it | Dec 20 00:25 |
| schestowitz | I never managed to geta copy | Dec 20 00:25 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Dec 20 00:25 |
| cubezzz | copy of what? | Dec 20 00:25 |
| Will_ | Just got a reminder today about how much more value most people put in perception over reality. | Dec 20 00:26 |
| _goblin | Ive learnt (from bitter experience of Wintrolls) screendump and save everything..... | Dec 20 00:26 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: In relation to the vid, Id like to say I was tipped off, but after writing my bing article I was looking for something bing related on youtube and just discovered that.... | Dec 20 00:27 |
| Will_ | Overheard someone talking about OO.org to someone who had never heard of it before. They wouldn't even give it the time of day because it wasn't MS Office and they just didn't trust it. Even if it was free to try. | Dec 20 00:28 |
| _goblin | Ive had people ask why Microsoft don't charge for OO but do for Office....shows how brainwashed people are into thinking that everything pc = Microsoft | Dec 20 00:28 |
| Will_ | Here's the funny part: they said they used Firefox. When told it wasn't made by Microsoft, they decided that they didn't trust it either and were going to go back to IE. | Dec 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/15/ballmer-tactlessness-video/ | Dec 20 00:30 |
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| Will_ | Thing is, as embarrassing as Ballmer is to the company, the majority of people still don't know who he is. When they thing "Microsoft", they think "Bill Gates" Many outside the tech industry don't even know that he isn't the CEO anymore. | Dec 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... turns out a poll in the US turned out like this: mean bodycount perceived is 100,000 VIetnamese | Dec 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Reality 2-3 million or so | Dec 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Revisionism in minds | Dec 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Will_: they spent PR money on PEarly gates | Dec 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Also helps hide his current unethical objectives | Dec 20 00:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Right, kids. http://newstechnica.com/ is go. Spent today editing the theme, tomorrow I'll actually write stuff. UPDATE YOUR LINKS. | Dec 20 00:39 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NewsTechnica | it doesn't get much more trustworthy than this .::. Size~: 29.87 KB | Dec 20 00:39 |
| Will_ | schestowitz: it's kinda hard to explain stuff like this to people that aren't already aware of it. You can pull out all the supporting hard evidence you want, but five minutes in they are looking at you like you're a tinfoil hat loony. Even if they've been previously hit by some of the anti-consumer "features" you just explained to them. | Dec 20 00:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 100,000 unique hits reached for my site! Well chuffed! http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ #microsoft #linux #foss | Dec 20 00:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yes, "news" is better than "arse" | Dec 20 01:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i was frankly amazed it hadn't been squatted already. just about every other variant i tried has. | Dec 20 01:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz and this way i have an excuse to get excessively geeky | Dec 20 01:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz mind you, i hadn't seen this: http://newstechnica.blogspot.com/ | Dec 20 01:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] man, i just went to a page on NotN. floating ads in middle of page. FUCK OFF, DIE. http://newstechnica.com/ is where it's at. dude. | Dec 20 01:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I told you ages ago to move to own domain, @glynmoody too | Dec 20 01:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz call me slow on the uptake. | Dec 20 01:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Gets More Features, Some #Graphics Related http://ur1.ca/i8f2 http://ur1.ca/i8f3 http://ur1.ca/i8f5 | Dec 20 02:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Work Well in Australian Schools http://ur1.ca/i8g5 #olpc #heroes | Dec 20 02:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JooJoo to Bring #Linux Tablets from the Mountain http://ur1.ca/i8g9 more than one side to story | Dec 20 02:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware Have Political Advantages Too http://ur1.ca/i8ga | Dec 20 02:34 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3 Audiocasts About #FreeSoftware Released http://twit.tv/floss100 http://ur1.ca/i8h7 http://ur1.ca/i8h8 | Dec 20 02:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Goes After Schoolboy http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Buckie-football-chiefs--to.5918668.jp | Dec 20 03:13 | |
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| Omar87_ | Hi all. | Dec 20 03:57 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Gnome is now hopelessly infected with #Mono on !Debian now, what are my alternatives? !gnu !freesoftware !monofree | Dec 20 05:19 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Attended #fedora-india meeting and shared my experiences as a package maintainer :) . IRC log @ http://ur1.ca/i8rh | Dec 20 08:24 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 7 ad a half hour train ride through a beautiful country, 720p50 http://ur1.ca/i8rv | Dec 20 08:49 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 7 and a half hour train ride through a beautiful country, 720p50 http://ur1.ca/i8rv #creativecommons | Dec 20 08:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8422997.stm | Dec 20 09:45 |
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| DaemonFC | shit continues to fall apart as Iran invades Iraq | Dec 20 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | The US would love that | Dec 20 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Now they have a pretext for attacking Iraq | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | More oil! | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Of course is not allowed to have this oil | Dec 20 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | Iran immediately left | Dec 20 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Iraq is a US colony now, the US decides who gets oil | Dec 20 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they want to provoke us | Dec 20 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | they're just fucking with us a little bit | Dec 20 09:55 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing the hawks are not in power | Dec 20 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Just the semi-hawks | Dec 20 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Masquerading as "left wingers" | Dec 20 09:56 |
| schestowitz | "Iran alarm after US troops seize Iraq Fakkah oil field" | Dec 20 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | the Democrats will set just as much of my money on fire | Dec 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | "Iran's top military officer has voiced concern about an incursion by US into Iraq that ended with US soldiers seizing an Iraqi oil well." | Dec 20 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | the Democrats will pass laws to take away just as many of my freedoms | Dec 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | I'm just exchanging party names in the above, from the BBC | Dec 20 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think we got all of them | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | over the course of a couple weeks | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | so much for Iran threatening them | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | thanks for all the help from the UK | Dec 20 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Dec 20 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure we'll give them some oil for their help | Dec 20 09:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Accurate Coverage of #Novell http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/against-novell-propaganda/ | Dec 20 10:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Have O2 finally sorted out their DNS issues? Heres to hoping. | Dec 20 10:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bruce Perens on the Recent Attacks on Richard Stallman and #GNU http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/bruce-perens-on-gnome-gnu/ | Dec 20 10:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schestowitz: Bruce Perens on the Recent Attacks on Richard Stallman and #GNU http://bit.ly/84XBOt | Dec 20 11:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Allegedly Pays $500,000,000 for #Verizon to Remove #Google http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/microsoft-and-verizon-vs-google/ | Dec 20 11:48 | |
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| kecskebak | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/6847227/Questions-over-business-deals-of-UN-climate-change-guru-Dr-Rajendra-Pachauri.html | Dec 20 12:23 |
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| kecskebak | It's hardly surprising that people are sceptical about climate change... | Dec 20 12:24 |
| schestowitz | It snows here | Dec 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | But the question is whether we accelerate it, which we do | Dec 20 12:31 |
| kecskebak | Or maybe don't | Dec 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | And we need to stop/slow it down | Dec 20 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: no, we do | Dec 20 12:31 |
| kecskebak | No, we don't | Dec 20 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | Just common sense | Dec 20 12:31 |
| kecskebak | :)Á | Dec 20 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Do we have greenhouse effect, kecskebak? | Dec 20 12:31 |
| Mikey | Hey Roy, you ok? | Dec 20 12:31 |
| kecskebak | Yes, otherwise the planet would be uninhabitable | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: do we increase it? | Dec 20 12:32 |
| kecskebak | I don't know - and nor does anyone else for sure | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | But we do | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, I rest my case :-) | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | And we do know for sure | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Gas->greenhouse | Dec 20 12:32 |
| schestowitz | The rest is unimportant | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | We do have a role in it | Dec 20 12:33 |
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| kecskebak | There's no extraordinary evidence to match you extrordinary claim | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | There is | Dec 20 12:33 |
| kecskebak | "Because Roy said so" isn't good enough for most people :) | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Ozone layer | Dec 20 12:33 |
| kecskebak | Is nothing to do with climate change | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | separate issue, I know.. | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | It does | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | It melts ice | Dec 20 12:33 |
| kecskebak | It's also closing | Dec 20 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 20 12:33 |
| kecskebak | And then, even if you accept that climate change is man-made, it's not necessarily caused by CO2 | Dec 20 12:35 |
| kecskebak | But all the leaders want to talk about is reducing CO2 because they have their carbon derivative schemes all set up | Dec 20 12:35 |
| kecskebak | Even Tony Blair has set up one | Dec 20 12:35 |
| kecskebak | Some people think it's soot, rather than CO2 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16579 | Dec 20 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | It is many things | Dec 20 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Like the gases that puncture the ozone layer | Dec 20 12:36 |
| schestowitz | The best solution is not just CO2 reductions | Dec 20 12:36 |
| schestowitz | It has to be population control sadly | Dec 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | We humans are not meant (or designed) to restrict our reproduction | Dec 20 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then we invented condoms | Dec 20 12:37 |
| schestowitz | It's not in our genes; if it was, then we'd fall out of the chain (Darwin award) | Dec 20 12:37 |
| kecskebak | Humans do restrict their reproduction when they are relatively affluent - poverty causes population increase | Dec 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exactly | Dec 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | And you can't really impose sanctions/rules on them | Dec 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | It might be part of the reason for the widening gap b/w rich and poor | Dec 20 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Disproportional reproduction rates | Dec 20 12:38 |
| kecskebak | It's interesting that in 2009 the National Academy of Science says that soot could be causing half of glacial melt, then lack carbon wasn't even listed as a warming agent in the most recent report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change | Dec 20 12:40 |
| kecskebak | Nice history here, which explains why I have doubts.... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16507 | Dec 20 12:44 |
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| kecskebak | "For ordinary Americans to judge the media’s version of current events about global warming, it is necessary to admit that journalists have misrepresented the story three other times." | Dec 20 12:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Great #Pharmaceutical #Patent Hoax and the Gates Pharmaceutical Patent Investments http://ur1.ca/i948 | Dec 20 12:47 | |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: how to battle rising ocean levels is one thing | Dec 20 12:49 |
| schestowitz | What causes it all is another | Dec 20 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | Just because we may not be sure re the cause doesn't mean we should do nothing | Dec 20 12:49 |
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| kecskebak | Yes, that's certainly true | Dec 20 12:50 |
| kecskebak | And I also realise I'm in terrible company when it comes to doubting climate change (Bill and Melinda Gates....) | Dec 20 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Climate is a complex beast kecskebak | Dec 20 12:51 |
| kecskebak | I've just got a funny feeling about it. It might be the way that opposing viewpoints and even peer reviewed data are treated. That and the fact that there is so much money to be made out of climate change. | Dec 20 12:53 |
| kecskebak | I used to be certain that it was happening, as certain as Roy, but now I'm really not sure. | Dec 20 12:53 |
| oiaohm | I am certain of global dimming effect. kecskebak | Dec 20 12:54 |
| oiaohm | That is a simple one to test for. | Dec 20 12:54 |
| oiaohm | The problem is sorting out what damage is global dimming and other effects. | Dec 20 12:55 |
| kecskebak | And global dimming is definitely caused by humans isn't it? | Dec 20 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep kecskebak | Dec 20 12:56 |
| cubezzz | wait a sec, Exxon says "everything is fine" | Dec 20 12:57 |
| kecskebak | So soot reduction would be very important | Dec 20 12:57 |
| cubezzz | so we are OK :) | Dec 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | [12:53] <kecskebak> I've just got a funny feeling about it. It might be the way that opposing viewpoints and even peer reviewed data are treated. That and the fact that there is so much money to be made out of climate change. | Dec 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | No. | Dec 20 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Jets and partical output by use. | Dec 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Opposite | Dec 20 12:57 |
| schestowitz | These is a lot of energy money to be lost if emissions are cut | Dec 20 12:57 |
| kecskebak | The Carbon Derivative Swaps were invented by the same woman who invented Credit Default Swaps that caused the current crash. They'll have the same effect. | Dec 20 12:58 |
| oiaohm | kecskebak: There are natural causes of global dimming but they are normally 100~s of years appeart. ie big volcano explosions and the like. | Dec 20 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Nuclear exchange | Dec 20 12:58 |
| oiaohm | We humans are being good at const causing global dimming effects. The jet one become 100 percent confirmed after sep 11. | Dec 20 12:59 |
| cubezzz | well the arctic ice cap is a ton smaller, that pretty much tells the story | Dec 20 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Not really cubezzz | Dec 20 13:00 |
| oiaohm | That has two causes. Higher earth heat or global dimming effect on evaporation. Now what cause is the worst one. | Dec 20 13:00 |
| cubezzz | have you compared the size of the ice cap of the 50's to now oiaohm? | Dec 20 13:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @tom_watson Why don't the BBC just hire a BPI correspondent? They're unquestioning enough with BPI press releases http://bit.ly/5DsJqX | Dec 20 13:01 | |
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| cubezzz | two-thirds of the ice cap melt, and temperatures are have a more extreme range | Dec 20 13:02 |
| cubezzz | it could even disappear in a few more decades | Dec 20 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Do a simple test some time cubezzz | Dec 20 13:02 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: I've just found the article that explains how the global elite will make a killing from climate change. JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs have it covered... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16473 | Dec 20 13:02 |
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| oiaohm | A block a ice in a ice box. | Dec 20 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Watch the temp as it melts. | Dec 20 13:02 |
| kecskebak | Gets lower due to evaporation? | Dec 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Now if ice caps don't get replaced the temp will be more nasty even without the global atmosphere holding more heat cubezzz | Dec 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | No evaporation no snow or rain to refill things kecskebak | Dec 20 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Global dimming is a really dangous effect. | Dec 20 13:04 |
| cubezzz | I'll really like to see what it was like in 1800 | Dec 20 13:04 |
| cubezzz | before industrialization | Dec 20 13:04 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: How much was discussion of global dimming a part of Copenhagen? | Dec 20 13:05 |
| cubezzz | I know that region has been unnavigable as long as recorded history | Dec 20 13:05 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: I didn't really hear it mentioned - just CO2 | Dec 20 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Its not even being considered at Copenhagen. | Dec 20 13:06 |
| cubezzz | so that is centuries of ice that has never melted before oiaohm | Dec 20 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes the one that is most likely going to kill lots of humans is not being considered. | Dec 20 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Do a ice box and keep on filling the ice up cubezzz | Dec 20 13:07 |
| oiaohm | you can sections of the first ice not melted cubezzz | Dec 20 13:08 |
| oiaohm | On earth size scales a block of ice does not melt for centuries would be nothing strange. | Dec 20 13:08 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: I knew there was something funny going on. It's great you're here as you explain it very clearly. | Dec 20 13:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody is anyone else here getting swamped with "social media" followers, all manifestly variations on a theme...? >> yes | Dec 20 13:09 | |
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| oiaohm | Problem is we have two possible effects that can explain the disappearing ice cubezzz. One is 100 percent known to be our problem. Ie global dimming. Global dimming has knock on effects for plants to take up CO2 as well. | Dec 20 13:11 |
| cubezzz | yes I think most people agree there is global dimming | Dec 20 13:12 |
| cubezzz | that would be what I'd expect due to industrialization | Dec 20 13:12 |
| cubezzz | the coal burning... | Dec 20 13:12 |
| kecskebak | People even burn animal dung to cook in large parts of China | Dec 20 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Global dimming testing is simple. Pan of water and measure how fast water disappears. | Dec 20 13:13 |
| kecskebak | Very sooty, and a large problem | Dec 20 13:13 |
| cubezzz | it sounds like dimming would mess up a lot of stuff, even make solar power less accessible | Dec 20 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes the exact other way to global warming has been happing in the pans. Ie less evaportation. | Dec 20 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Then there are light monitors as well that match up to the pan data. | Dec 20 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically the global dimming data is 100 percent confirmed many times over. | Dec 20 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep it messes everything up cubezzz | Dec 20 13:15 |
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| kecskebak | Is it fair to say that some of the effects of dimming are being blamed on warming? | Dec 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/6759855874 seems to be happening here, fake 'friends' pretending to be following everyone | Dec 20 13:16 |
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| oiaohm | Nop kecskebak | Dec 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: same thing in a way | Dec 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | One leads to another | Dec 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | So you are left with a problem to resolv | Dec 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | How to reduce warming | Dec 20 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Problem is the effects look the same kecskebak | Dec 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Thw goal is to reduce warming | Dec 20 13:17 |
| oiaohm | doing correct measure ments would show the difference. | Dec 20 13:17 |
| cubezzz | try to reduce fossil fuel use I guess | Dec 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | The question is not just how? | Dec 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Warming should cause more evaporation not less. | Dec 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | So there should be more rain/snow fall. | Dec 20 13:18 |
| schestowitz | It's also not whether man causes it but whether MAN CAN REDUCE IT | Dec 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | There is a big problem there is less globally. | Dec 20 13:18 |
| kecskebak | Sorry I'm slow, but you're saying that we're getting less rain and snow that we'd expect from the warming we're seeing due to dimming | Dec 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I think one measure it to dig tunnels to move sea water into land | Dec 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | It's possible where the gound is lower than zero | Dec 20 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Dead sea or south east Asia for example | Dec 20 13:20 |
| schestowitz | You could channel water into land and maybe even remove salt from it | Dec 20 13:20 |
| oiaohm | kecskebak: the evaporation rate has gone backwards over the last 12 years. | Dec 20 13:21 |
| oiaohm | No gain at all kecskebak | Dec 20 13:21 |
| kecskebak | That's really shocking | Dec 20 13:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It's a snow storm outside (esp. today). Rather rare, transportation crippled | Dec 20 13:22 | |
| oiaohm | Ok one acception kecskebak | Dec 20 13:22 |
| kecskebak | That's one of the most sobering things I've heard in ages. | Dec 20 13:23 |
| oiaohm | After sep 11 with grounded jets the evaporation rate went up after the jets were grounded. | Dec 20 13:23 |
| oiaohm | The dropped back once we started flying all over the world again. | Dec 20 13:23 |
| oiaohm | That is what you call direct confirmed cause and effect. | Dec 20 13:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont think so, Tim. | Dec 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | The worst part about what we are doing kecskebak with dimming is that it puts us at more risk of having to suffer a nuclear winter if some large volcanos go off. | Dec 20 13:27 |
| kecskebak | We're overdue for a large volcano aren't we? | Dec 20 13:27 |
| oiaohm | A few yes kecskebak | Dec 20 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Not just one large volcano is over due. | Dec 20 13:29 |
| kecskebak | Many thanks for your time oiaohm - I've got a much better understanding now, and a good idea of things to Google for. | Dec 20 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | Watch out for the "according to satellite estimates" data kecskebak That data does not measure the ground pan and other data. Its measuring light relected off particulars back up. Some parties use the bad sat data to show that global dimming is disappering. | Dec 20 13:39 |
| kecskebak | oiaohm: Thanks - I will. | Dec 20 13:51 |
| schestowitz | "At one time Free and Open Source Software was about inclusion. Now we are being told it is about community, and you aren't a member of the community, unless we decide you are a member of the community, so toddle off and bother someone else mate." http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=17280#p57815 | Dec 20 13:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/21/world/middleeast/21cleric.html?_r=2&partner=TOPIXNEWS&ei=5099 | Dec 20 13:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.84 KB | Dec 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 | Dec 20 14:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | > 3. Grant of Patent License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use.... | Dec 20 14:09 |
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| schestowitz | Bill Beebe says negative thing about Linux and shows his true nature. http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2009/12/state-of-penguin.html | Dec 20 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | Boy I get sick of people like Beebe | Dec 20 14:21 |
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| oiaohm | They make out the Linux desktop has not moved forwards. | Dec 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | 2009 was a fairly major restruct of the video stack. | Dec 20 14:23 |
| cubezzz | the non-programmer perspective again | Dec 20 14:29 |
| cubezzz | anyway, what about the tons of great software we have now? | Dec 20 14:30 |
| cubezzz | rosegarden, inkscape, gimp, and other too numerous to name? | Dec 20 14:30 |
| cubezzz | it's a useless article | Dec 20 14:32 |
| cubezzz | just an opinion piece really | Dec 20 14:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Front page layout of http://newstechnica.com/ is now just about perfect. Just needs deduplication of pictured stories. And, er, new content. | Dec 20 14:33 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NewsTechnica | it doesn't get much more trustworthy than this .::. Size~: 30.96 KB | Dec 20 14:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Scratch that, I just checked site in Firefox instead of Chrome. Cock. Now I know why web designers go mad with axes. IE can just fuck off. | Dec 20 14:35 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmm.. we need a mccreevy WIKI PAGE.... | Dec 20 14:36 |
| cubezzz | that's funny, there aren't web designers | Dec 20 14:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I think of Beebe like I think og Beranger and Linux Hatrs | Dec 20 14:36 |
| cubezzz | there's IE devs | Dec 20 14:36 |
| schestowitz | *of *Haters | Dec 20 14:36 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, Beebe isn't a hater | Dec 20 14:37 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Beebe dislike me | Dec 20 14:37 |
| cubezzz | he's just stupid :) | Dec 20 14:37 |
| cubezzz | lack of comprehension | Dec 20 14:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=beebe+schestowitz&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Dec 20 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | Usually when people dislike me it means they are against Free software. Not always, but usually | Dec 20 14:38 |
| schestowitz | My most rabid haters are Microsoft shills | Dec 20 14:38 |
| cubezzz | does anyone agree with me that windows 7 is slow? | Dec 20 14:38 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: some do | Dec 20 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | I never tried it | Dec 20 14:38 |
| schestowitz | But I read about people who say it's as slow as Vista | Dec 20 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Depends ont he h/w of course | Dec 20 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Caveats and all | Dec 20 14:39 |
| cubezzz | it's a pig, believe me | Dec 20 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Take a machine where you need no swap, then you'll be OK | Dec 20 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Take a machine with limit on RAM (then swap file) and see huge diff b/w XP and Vista 7 | Dec 20 14:39 |
| cubezzz | I'm running 32 megs on ram on one machine right here | Dec 20 14:39 |
| *cubezzz points to his left | Dec 20 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | What's good about it? | Dec 20 14:39 |
| schestowitz | What does it do that's like, "Wow! This is it. That's why I bought it." | Dec 20 14:40 |
| cubezzz | what's good about my 32 meg machine? | Dec 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't boot faster than XP | Dec 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | And it has Solitaire and stuff | Dec 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | It runs less apps than XP | Dec 20 14:40 |
| cubezzz | my perspective is different from mainstream :-/ | Dec 20 14:41 |
| cubezzz | I admire the tinycore devs | Dec 20 14:41 |
| cubezzz | do more with less | Dec 20 14:41 |
| cubezzz | guys running solar powered computers... | Dec 20 14:42 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, how about using less than 5 watts of power? | Dec 20 14:42 |
| cubezzz | I think that's pretty good :) | Dec 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: depends on the hardware. | Dec 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 boots faster on quad cores than XP does. | Dec 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Mostly due to XP not really known what todo with a quad core | Dec 20 14:44 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure windows 7 is good (for end-user) on fast hardware, but it sucks on older hardware | Dec 20 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MS is battling the same locking issues Linux is at a slower rate. | Dec 20 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Ie MS is correcting them slower. | Dec 20 14:48 |
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| cubezzz | it's also true on newer linux, I wouldn't even run 2.6 on my zaurus | Dec 20 14:51 |
| cubezzz | and people with 1 gigahertz P3 boxes don't like latest and greatest Linux | Dec 20 14:51 |
| cubezzz | for me the upgrade mill has stopped | Dec 20 14:51 |
| cubezzz | at least on most of my boxes | Dec 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | http://healthcare.zdnet.com/?p=3113 | Dec 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Hey, MinceR | Dec 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | * MikeyC | Dec 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Are you coming in today? | Dec 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: depends if you edit video or something | Dec 20 14:53 |
| MikeyC | not today busy, how are things? | Dec 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | OIN on Linux and "IP" (Meh!) | Dec 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz | IP in a Linux-Enabled World | Dec 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnbc.com/id/34479528 | Dec 20 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | MikeyC: shovelling snow? | Dec 20 14:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2255294/cisco-warns-webex | Dec 20 15:02 |
| schestowitz | "The company said that older versions of the WRF Player for Windows, MacOS X and Linux were all vulnerable to attack, though users who update to the latest versions of the players will not be subject to the flaws. " | Dec 20 15:03 |
| schestowitz | See? Proprietary software even from Cisco can lead to full hijack | Dec 20 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Its why setting up containment right around webbrowsers and the like is important schestowitz | Dec 20 15:06 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC: still there? How was the xmas dinner? | Dec 20 15:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: but the Web browser latch onto a lot of other junk these days | Dec 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Like Flash | Dec 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Soon DirectX for IE9 | Dec 20 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Also it depends on OS. | Dec 20 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Windows has a lot of plugins running as too high of user or interface with items too high of user. | Dec 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz | We're in for more trouble outside Microsoft too..... same businessman masquerading as a coder is up to new tricks. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/pharmaceutical-industry-patents/ | Dec 20 15:09 |
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| oiaohm | IE9 directX is to try to offset webgl | Dec 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Dec 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Cause Microsoft cannot EVER embrace standards | Dec 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Not unless it must | Dec 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz | 5 years too late | Dec 20 15:11 |
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| MikeyC | yes lots of snow here, studying at the moment | Dec 20 15:27 |
| schestowitz | You should take a break | Dec 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz | > Re: who's behind the criticism of the Google book deal .. | Dec 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/19/2028228/Library-Groups-Ask-DOJ-To-Oversee-Google-Books | Dec 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me when you find out. Sarko is mating with Microsoft execs, Microsoft previously helped publishers sue Google over Books. | Dec 20 15:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A UFO over Russia and only a handful of people see it? Rubbish.....an obvious bad hoax in my opinion... #fake | Dec 20 15:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin the U stands for unidentified, so it could be a flying spaghetti monster !! | Dec 20 16:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Life Magazine photos of a destroyed Stalingrad being rebuilt in 1947 http://englishrussia.com/?p=7114 | Dec 20 16:04 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Dec 20 16:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz lol, yeah, although a claimed mile long triangular object would more likely be a spaceship! The story is even more outragous | Dec 20 16:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] than Microsoft claiming 7 is not just Vista with lipstick. | Dec 20 16:21 | |
| MikeyC | good pics roy | Dec 20 16:30 |
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| cubezzz | whup, a gnome with a lantern is trying to get me to use IE8 | Dec 20 16:52 |
| cubezzz | stupid slashdot ads | Dec 20 16:52 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: UID statements changes as often as weather. There is a card. There is no card. Back to there is a card: http://is.gd/5uTAm [ed] | Dec 20 17:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And now I am teaching myself MySQL database programming in PHP. To fix a lot of old links at once. MediaWiki can't be far away. | Dec 20 18:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Startup Plurk 'considering options' against Microsoft | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yb5zjm6 | Dec 20 18:32 | |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, there were some interesting comments recently in #radeonhd about Digital Restrictions Management being about 60-70 percent of the reason for the hold-ups in the progress of the open radeonhd driver for AMD/ATI graphics cards | Dec 20 18:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RATM did it :) | Dec 20 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: DRM in the encryption sense? | Dec 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Cause there are two DRMs | Dec 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Collusion of acronyms | Dec 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | *collision | Dec 20 19:02 |
| amarsh04 | yes, in the encryption sense... I can paste a log extract somewhere if you like | Dec 20 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Is it Vista's fault in part? | Dec 20 19:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I love that Rage Against The Machine got #1 without shipping a single physical disc. All digital downloads. | Dec 20 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | I've always a assumed that DirectX and MPAA nonsense leads to specs changing. Please paste it here. | Dec 20 19:07 |
| amarsh04 | well, the cards are designed primarily for ms-win | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Novell fired Luc, who was a key dev of radeonhd. It shows Novell's priorities | Dec 20 19:08 |
| amarsh04 | just a sec | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | FWIW, private sources told me that development was almost sent to Red Hat by AMD. They were furious | Dec 20 19:08 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:02] <bridgman> the internal architecture of the two drivesr is very different; closed source drivers are designed from ground up to support DRM, for example, and opening up too much of the internals makes it hard to keep the DRM implementation robust on other OSes | Dec 20 19:10 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:03] <gnubien> udovdh: ok, thanks | Dec 20 19:10 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:03] <bridgman> we obviously don't use any of the DRM code on Linux, but we do use common things like memory managers, display control code, command submission, etc... | Dec 20 19:10 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:03] <bridgman> and they all play a role in DRM | Dec 20 19:10 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:03] <Crazycheese> bridgman, in this context you mean DRM as Digital Rights Management(1) or as Direct Rendering Manager(2) ? | Dec 20 19:10 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:04] <bridgman> 1 | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:04] <bridgman> evil drm ;) | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:04] <-- BigBrain has left this server (Remote closed the connection). | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:04] <bridgman> gnubien; Xpress200 is more-or-less 4xx display & 2D plus a cut-down rv370 3D core | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:05] <bridgman> but there's relatively less internal documentation on the Xpress200-specific hardware bits than on other GPUs, so we're having a tougher time with the open source driver support | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:06] <gnubien> bridgman: ok, 3-5 years old i guess | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:08] <bridgman> also a separate team which only worked on IGP parts | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:09] <bridgman> the teams working on GPU cores are geographically dispersed so need more documentation | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:09] <bridgman> the IGP team was all in one place, which is great for efficiency but not so good at leaving a detailed written history for us to snaffle up 5 years later ;) | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:10] <gnubien> bridgman: hope you are being paid well for your efforts :) | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:22] <Crazycheese> damn DRM, screw it. I have not been using it since its introduction and I still go to live concerts and cinema. :/ I thought the reasons of concealing were lots of hours spent by technician on card design, so it does not get to "rivals" for free. But DRM.. damn. :/// | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:23] <bridgman> DRM is probably 70% of the complication in supporting open source, 3rd party IP is 20%, competitive stuff is maybe 10% | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:24] <Crazycheese> nevertheless I apreciate amd hardware and people behind it a lot. | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 04:24] <bridgman> maybe 60/30/10, not sure | Dec 20 19:11 |
| amarsh04 | sorry about the flood | Dec 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: is any of them from Novell? | Dec 20 19:13 |
| amarsh04 | not sure | Dec 20 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Should we make some post about it, you reckon? | Dec 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I have some 4 posts coming in a moment | Dec 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | One about OLPC | Dec 20 19:14 |
| amarsh04 | bridgeman is posting from a Canadian ip home isp address | Dec 20 19:14 |
| amarsh04 | here is another comment: | Dec 20 19:15 |
| amarsh04 | <Crazycheese> bridgman, if opensource components which allow opengl2+ implementation submerge, will opensource driver get ogl2+ support? Am asking this to understand whether decision to keep two drivers is company policy or only dependant on 3 points you explained and may be shifted to opensource in the future. | Dec 20 19:15 |
| amarsh04 | [2009-12-21 05:31] <bridgman> not sure I understand the question; if you're asking whether we would consider dropping fglrx if the open source driver was equally fast and feature-rich, I think the answer is probably yes; we just know how much work it is and don't see anyone who would benefit from investing that much effort in the open source drivers | Dec 20 19:15 |
| amarsh04 | I don't recall seeing any comments that spelled it out as clearly schestowitz, so go ahead | Dec 20 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I remember all the projects the GPU makers killed... | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Sent to the bitbucket | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Never to be heard from again. | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I think AMD hired one dev who made a driver that's free | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: is michaellarabel in that channel? | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | He usually covers it | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | But he hasn't yet | Dec 20 19:28 |
| amarsh04 | no, I haven't seen him in channel | Dec 20 19:29 |
| amarsh04 | I noticed that a lot of dial-up modem know-how that could have helped make a more reliable product disappeared when companies were taken over | Dec 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I'll edit some of this later and make a post | Dec 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Dec 20 19:30 |
| amarsh04 | no problem, it simply sparked my interest as I hadn't read anything but speculation of the situation of the situation wrt ATI before | Dec 20 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I'll need to link it to gates' "Security as a lock-in" memo | Dec 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz | wallcliber and I did it before... fleshing out the text | Dec 20 19:35 |
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| _goblin | Did we find out anything on the authenticity of that Bing video? | Dec 20 19:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Shows 10 Massive #Linux Developments That Led to Today's Linux Dominance http://ur1.ca/d6uj | Dec 20 19:39 | |
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| amarsh04 | I want GPL enforcement to include "powered by GNU/Linux" stickers included in the settlements (-: | Dec 20 19:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moving from #Windows to #GNU #Linux a Very Natural Choice http://ur1.ca/i9li | Dec 20 19:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux a "Defensive Computing" Tool on the Desktop http://blogs.computerworld.com/15280/defensive_computing_priorities | Dec 20 19:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arora 0.10.2 is Out http://arorabrowser.blogspot.com/2009/12/arora-0102.html | Dec 20 19:43 | |
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| pawel_121 | planet gnome survey results | Dec 20 19:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Office Application for GNU/Linux Become Free (Gratis) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/41948 | Dec 20 19:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Make #GNU #Linux a Real Gaming Machine http://ur1.ca/i9lp | Dec 20 19:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dread Moon Comes to #GNU #Linux http://dreadmoon.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=14 | Dec 20 19:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] United Electronic Industries Chooses #Linux for Programmable Automation Controller http://ur1.ca/i9lq | Dec 20 19:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android #Linux Comes to #OLPC Spinoff ( #PixelQi ) http://ur1.ca/i9lu | Dec 20 19:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Wins a Place in Sri Lankan #Schools http://www.sundaytimes.lk/091220/BusinessTimes/bt34.html | Dec 20 19:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Good Reviews of #Nokia #N900 Days Ahead of Arrival at the UK http://ur1.ca/i9lx http://ur1.ca/i9ly | Dec 20 19:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the first NewsTechnica! UK announces clampdown on "science" http://newstechnica.com/?p=787 with @mike_peel and @lorddrayson | Dec 20 19:55 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I haven;t | Dec 20 19:56 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I heard some televisions say GPL stuff as a form of attribution to GNU | Dec 20 19:57 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: if the SFLC took a "say my name, b*" policy, then it would also say "powered by BusyBox" | Dec 20 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Computers should say "powered by Iraqi oil" :-) | Dec 20 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Bush and chums must have spilled lots of blood to win this oil | Dec 20 20:00 |
| schestowitz | From their perspective, this blood might mean more biological material to turn into fo$$sil fuel in the future | Dec 20 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Hummer : "Powered by death" | Dec 20 20:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Andy #Updegrove Writes Extensive Introduction to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/i9md http://ur1.ca/i9me | Dec 20 20:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun Engineers Reveal Renaissance Outcome for #OpenOffice .org (3.3) http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/renaissance_in_impress_for_3 | Dec 20 20:04 | |
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| amarsh04 | yes, the fact that petrol is unlabelled means that most people don't think about where it came from | Dec 20 20:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CAT Needs #FreeSoftware After #Conficker Attack http://ur1.ca/i9mh | Dec 20 20:07 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Me neither..... | Dec 20 20:07 |
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| phIRCe-local | schestowitz: Me neither..... | Dec 20 20:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many #GNU #Linux Alternatives That Are Free/Libre/Open Source http://ur1.ca/i9mo | Dec 20 20:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Releases New Bulletin http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2009/fall/ | Dec 20 20:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Openness / #Transparency Spreads Like Fire http://ur1.ca/i9ms http://ur1.ca/i9mt http://ur1.ca/i9mu | Dec 20 20:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stricter #PoliceState in the #UK http://ur1.ca/i9mw Reminder of Need for Free(dom) Software | Dec 20 20:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Releases #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/i9my | Dec 20 20:13 | |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: it came from Chevron! :-) | Dec 20 20:17 |
| schestowitz | And milk comes from happy cows running in the meadow...or comes from a carton box | Dec 20 20:18 |
| schestowitz | People don't think much, until something is gone. A good example of people's understanding of the term "freedom". | Dec 20 20:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nottingham City Council Pushes for Net #Censorship http://ur1.ca/i9na http://ur1.ca/i9nb | Dec 20 20:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The British #MAFIAA Wants More Web Policing and #Surveillance http://ur1.ca/i9ni | Dec 20 20:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proposed Substitute for #Mono Trojan ( #FSpot ) in #Ubuntu http://linuxers.org/article/proposed-photo-managers-ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx | Dec 20 20:29 | |
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| yuhong | "The about page, however, reads like something from Microsoft’s “Get the facts” pages.“ | Dec 20 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Dec 20 20:39 |
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| yuhong | The ReactOS about page, your_friend was referring in a comment. | Dec 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | BTW, you had left the other day before I had the chance to reply | Dec 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, ReactOS love NT | Dec 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | They need to | Dec 20 20:40 |
| yuhong | Does it really read like that way? | Dec 20 20:40 |
| yuhong | I did, sorry. | Dec 20 20:40 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Dec 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | The WIndows fanboys who write it are close to Microsoft | Dec 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I think one was hired by the monopoly | Dec 20 20:40 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Dec 20 20:41 |
| yuhong | But does the ReactOS about page really read like "get the facts". | Dec 20 20:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Plurk considering its next step against Microsoft. Who on earth do Microsoft think they are (even if they are going to blame a 3rd party)? | Dec 20 20:41 | |
| yuhong | Or is this just FUD. | Dec 20 20:41 |
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| yuhong | Now you have taken a look. | Dec 20 20:42 |
| yuhong | But does the ReactOS about page really read like "get the facts". | Dec 20 20:43 |
| yuhong | But does the ReactOS about page really read like "get the facts". | Dec 20 20:43 |
| MinceR | is there an echo here or what? | Dec 20 20:44 |
| yuhong | Mark Russinovinch, Ken Jonosen, etc, I have read these folk's blogs, | Dec 20 20:45 |
| yuhong | And I often found them very useful. | Dec 20 20:46 |
| yuhong | Here is a blog entry where Mark debugged an issue in Vista just after Winternal was bought by MS. | Dec 20 20:46 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2006/11/27/532465.aspx | Dec 20 20:47 |
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| yuhong | I love Windows debugging, you know. | Dec 20 20:48 |
| yuhong | I am beginning to learn Linux debugging too. | Dec 20 20:48 |
| yuhong | So do Mark and Ken, and many other like Alex too. | Dec 20 20:48 |
| yuhong | Yes most of them are Windows fanboys, but I found them very useful. | Dec 20 20:49 |
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| MinceR | i like to debug windows with a kubuntu install cd. | Dec 20 20:50 |
| yuhong | But that is not really true debugging. | Dec 20 20:50 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Dec 20 20:50 |
| MinceR | the number of bugs in the OS on the system decreases. | Dec 20 20:50 |
| yuhong | You won't have access to WinDbg and all these tools. | Dec 20 20:50 |
| MinceR | instead, i have access to fdisk, mkfs.ext2 and all those tools. | Dec 20 20:51 |
| yuhong | MinceR: That is not my definition of debugging. | Dec 20 20:51 |
| cubezzz | yes but removing windows entirely is even better :) | Dec 20 20:51 |
| yuhong | But that is not debugging Windows. | Dec 20 20:51 |
| yuhong | Removing Windows is not debugging Windows. | Dec 20 20:52 |
| MinceR | windows is a bug. | Dec 20 20:52 |
| cubezzz | seriously yuhong, why bother? | Dec 20 20:52 |
| MinceR | one with many smaller bugs in it. | Dec 20 20:52 |
| cubezzz | I am self-employed, I decide | Dec 20 20:52 |
| yuhong | Windows itself is not a bug. | Dec 20 20:52 |
| yuhong | In the same way that Linux itself is not a bug. | Dec 20 20:53 |
| cubezzz | I don't have the source of windows, how would I debug it? | Dec 20 20:53 |
| cubezzz | by guessing? | Dec 20 20:53 |
| yuhong | No. | Dec 20 20:53 |
| yuhong | MS offers public symbols of Windows on their symbol server. | Dec 20 20:54 |
| yuhong | No source code, but I can read x86 asm. | Dec 20 20:54 |
| MinceR | wow, he can read x86 asm | Dec 20 20:54 |
| MinceR | i can also _write_ x86 asm :> | Dec 20 20:54 |
| cubezzz | ok, I used windows the longest... and I decided after 20 years to stop :) | Dec 20 20:54 |
| cubezzz | so I am allowed to do that :) | Dec 20 20:55 |
| yuhong | In fact, even debugging on Linux with open source software. | Dec 20 20:55 |
| cubezzz | fine, use both then | Dec 20 20:55 |
| yuhong | I often don't bother to get the source, even if it is available. | Dec 20 20:55 |
| cubezzz | I'm only saying what I do | Dec 20 20:55 |
| schestowitz | [20:41] <yuhong> But does the ReactOS about page really read like "get the facts". | Dec 20 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I didn't read it carefully | Dec 20 20:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google ’s #Chrome #EULA Disappoints http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/thoughts-about-chrome/ | Dec 20 20:55 | |
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| cubezzz | if someone wants to use windows, then use it | Dec 20 20:55 |
| cubezzz | but not me | Dec 20 20:55 |
| yuhong | Instead I use the disass command in gdb to get the disasm. | Dec 20 20:56 |
| cubezzz | yuhong, so what if you have a driver problem? | Dec 20 20:56 |
| cubezzz | kind of frustrating isn't it? | Dec 20 20:56 |
| yuhong | I can try to debug it. | Dec 20 20:56 |
| yuhong | At least point out the cause of the problem. | Dec 20 20:57 |
| yuhong | I mean, the driver causing the problem. | Dec 20 20:57 |
| yuhong | As it happens, Mark has an example on his blog. | Dec 20 20:58 |
| cubezzz | ok, this is why I don't like closed source | Dec 20 20:58 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2008/12/30/3174871.aspx | Dec 20 20:58 |
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| yuhong | Yes I do like open source, to be honest, but I often never bother to get the source. | Dec 20 20:59 |
| cubezzz | the longest running servers are VMS and BSD | Dec 20 20:59 |
| yuhong | Even many on the Windows team debug at the asm level as well. | Dec 20 20:59 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'd rather not | Dec 20 20:59 |
| yuhong | I often wished that the source/symbol server would be available on Linux as well. | Dec 20 21:00 |
| yuhong | Right now, I have to manually install package from the Ubuntu ddeb server to get symbols. | Dec 20 21:00 |
| cubezzz | I learned a lot looking at bttv | Dec 20 21:00 |
| yuhong | And I don't know how to to a .reload in gdb, anyone know how? | Dec 20 21:01 |
| yuhong | And apt-get source for source, and I just often never bother, and even when I do, I often never bother pointing the downloaded source at the source paths. | Dec 20 21:01 |
| cubezzz | yuhong, for intel there is idb | Dec 20 21:02 |
| cubezzz | maybe this will help: | Dec 20 21:04 |
| cubezzz | http://www.cs.rochester.edu/~nelson/courses/csc_173/review/gdb.html | Dec 20 21:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: University of Rochester Computer Science .::. Size~: 37.34 KB | Dec 20 21:04 |
| cubezzz | also the lgp devs are pretty good | Dec 20 21:04 |
| cubezzz | for gdb | Dec 20 21:05 |
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| cubezzz | when I was trying to get the most optimization for p3 I used icc | Dec 20 21:07 |
| pawel_121 | >the longest running servers are VMS and BSD, not actually true | Dec 20 21:09 |
| pawel_121 | Linux clock is restarted after some amount of time | Dec 20 21:09 |
| pawel_121 | so it's hard to measure | Dec 20 21:09 |
| pawel_121 | one server is running since 12 years... | Dec 20 21:10 |
| cubezzz | well BSD usually better since less used as desktop | Dec 20 21:10 |
| cubezzz | in general | Dec 20 21:10 |
| pawel_121 | how is this related? | Dec 20 21:10 |
| cubezzz | so simpler configuration, less likely to crash | Dec 20 21:10 |
| pawel_121 | that's a point | Dec 20 21:10 |
| pawel_121 | but there are not so simple distros too | Dec 20 21:11 |
| cubezzz | Linux is fine, I use it :) | Dec 20 21:11 |
| cubezzz | even for server | Dec 20 21:11 |
| pawel_121 | I'd say I'd use BSD even for server ;) | Dec 20 21:11 |
| cubezzz | sure, either one is fine | Dec 20 21:11 |
| pawel_121 | afaik Slowlaris clock also is being restarted | Dec 20 21:11 |
| pawel_121 | only BSD not | Dec 20 21:12 |
| pawel_121 | or much later | Dec 20 21:12 |
| yuhong | icc, I know, I was reading about how it disables SSE optimizations on AMD CPUs. | Dec 20 21:12 |
| cubezzz | I tried opensolaris I didn't like it | Dec 20 21:12 |
| yuhong | Was one of the complaints in AMD's anti-trust lawsuits. | Dec 20 21:12 |
| pawel_121 | cubezzz, me the same :) | Dec 20 21:12 |
| pawel_121 | it's hard to call it simple and lightweight | Dec 20 21:13 |
| cubezzz | I have uptimes over 200 days on Linux but usually what happens is long power failures make it reboot | Dec 20 21:13 |
| cubezzz | not crashes | Dec 20 21:13 |
| pawel_121 | like Arch, Gentoo or Freebsd | Dec 20 21:13 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: do you think gnu/linux can't be configured for a server then? | Dec 20 21:13 |
| pawel_121 | nive uptime | Dec 20 21:13 |
| pawel_121 | nice* | Dec 20 21:13 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, I just said I use Linux for server :) | Dec 20 21:14 |
| MinceR | 220421 < cubezzz> well BSD usually better since less used as desktop | Dec 20 21:14 |
| MinceR | 220423 < cubezzz> in general | Dec 20 21:14 |
| MinceR | 220441 < cubezzz> so simpler configuration, less likely to crash | Dec 20 21:14 |
| yuhong | I like using Sysinternals's Process Explorer too. | Dec 20 21:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on Microsoft: #Zune Problems, Visual Studio Problems Lead to Delays http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/flukes-from-microsoft/ | Dec 20 21:14 | |
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| cubezzz | MinceR, yes but I actually do use Linux not BSD for my own server | Dec 20 21:15 |
| yuhong | It relies on the ability to do things like suspending threads, getting a thread context, and so on without attaching, which I think is impossible on Linux. | Dec 20 21:15 |
| cubezzz | freenet uses BSD for their ISP machines | Dec 20 21:16 |
| cubezzz | and believe me they know BSD has good uptimes | Dec 20 21:16 |
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| MinceR | so then i'll have to assume that yuhong's religion forbids attaching to processes | Dec 20 21:17 |
| cubezzz | he always takes off fast :) | Dec 20 21:18 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't mind if he took off faster | Dec 20 21:18 |
| pawel_121 | yuhon said something out of the contest | Dec 20 21:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] RIP Brittany Murphy http://tinyurl.com/tb8fl | Dec 20 21:18 | |
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| pawel_121 | which means nothing | Dec 20 21:18 |
| MinceR | it might even be false | Dec 20 21:19 |
| pawel_121 | right | Dec 20 21:19 |
| cubezzz | at the ISP they are not allowed to run a lot of stuff | Dec 20 21:19 |
| pawel_121 | FreeBSD was even using Linux threads... | Dec 20 21:20 |
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| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/thoughts-about-chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-76897 | Dec 20 21:20 |
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| yuhong | !google mozilla know your rights | Dec 20 21:22 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Know your rights from Help Menu | QMO - quality.mozilla.org | http://quality.mozilla.org/forums/feature-requests/know-your-rights-help-menu | Dec 20 21:22 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Mozilla Firefox 3.0.5 Release Notes | http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/3.0.5/releasenotes/ | Dec 20 21:22 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings:2009-10-20 - MozillaWiki | https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings:2009-10-20 | Dec 20 21:22 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Mozilla Exec Urges Switch From ... | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/11/0541259/Mozilla-Exec-Urges-Switch-From-Google-To-Bing | Dec 20 21:22 |
| MinceR | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/09/12/17/1916241/DRM-Flub-Prevented-3D-Showings-of-emAvatarem-In-Germany?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Dec 20 21:22 |
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| yuhong | Know your rights in mozilla was added in response to Mozilla making the same mistake. | Dec 20 21:22 |
| yuhong | MinceR: Completely unrelated, I was disappointed too when it showed up too. | Dec 20 21:24 |
| yuhong | MinceR: Oops, actually it was not part of the search results, sorry. | Dec 20 21:24 |
| yuhong | http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/browsers/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212501028 | Dec 20 21:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: It's the climb. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/23898.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/537615.html | Dec 20 21:27 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: could there be some throttling on the server? | Dec 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I think the server stops serving pages sometimes when I put videos, which take up bandwidth | Dec 20 21:29 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/thoughts-about-chrome/comment-page-1/#comment-76897 | Dec 20 21:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Readers Article: Googles Chrome EULA Disappoints | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 107.62 KB | Dec 20 21:30 |
| pawel_121 | by everyone | Dec 20 21:32 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 20 21:34 |
| yuhong | your_friend has made some false claims before BTW, like MS promising security since, which even schestowitz question. | Dec 20 21:38 |
| yuhong | your_friend has made some false claims before BTW, like MS promising security since DOS, which even schestowitz question. | Dec 20 21:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recommendation of #Shotwell for the upcoming #Ubuntu release (April 2010), as a key part of #Mono replacements http://ur1.ca/i9ta | Dec 20 21:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Taking Mono Off the Menu | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.18 KB | Dec 20 21:41 |
| yuhong | Consider that so far, your_friend has not provided substancal evidence that shows NT is fundemntally flawed, I am inclined not to believe him. | Dec 20 21:41 |
| cubezzz | who are you talking about yuhong? | Dec 20 21:42 |
| yuhong | your_friend's comemnts on BN. | Dec 20 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Hi, yuhong | Dec 20 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I've just responded | Dec 20 21:45 |
| yuhong | THank you. | Dec 20 21:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @BadAstronomer: Thanks antivaxxers! Mumps outbreak in Brooklyn due to low vaccination rates: http://is.gd/5uYXC | Dec 20 21:46 | |
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| yuhong | your_friend has made some false claims before BTW, like MS promising security since DOS, which even schestowitz question. | Dec 20 21:48 |
| yuhong | >Consider that so far, your_friend has not provided substancal evidence that shows NT is fundemntally flawed, I am inclined not to believe him. | Dec 20 21:48 |
| yuhong | In any case, my point was that Google is not the only one making the mistake of putting an EULA on open source software. | Dec 20 21:48 |
| yuhong | http://mac.blorge.com/2009/10/24/no-chrome-for-mac-googles-brin-still-embarrassed-13-months-later/ | Dec 20 21:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ‘Microsoft Press’ Acknowledges #Microsoft ’s #FreeSoftware -Hostile #EU Deal http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/bad-eu-deal-and-oin/ | Dec 20 22:29 | |
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| fewa | 101% complete | Dec 20 22:52 |
| fewa | lol | Dec 20 22:52 |
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| notzed | the dangers of floating point lost on most devs | Dec 20 23:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Information About Intel’s Attack on #OLPC , Bill Gates Hijacks the Educational Systems http://ur1.ca/i9y7 | Dec 20 23:40 | |
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| _goblin | hi jono. | Dec 20 23:55 |
| jono | hey _goblin | Dec 20 23:55 |
| _goblin | Ubuntu is getting some great press in our local computer club.... | Dec 20 23:57 |
| _goblin | we've had 4 new convertee's from Windows in the past week. | Dec 20 23:57 |
| _goblin | (as in, they were dual booting and now are 100%) | Dec 20 23:58 |
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