| schestowitz | This video I watched this afternoon: . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6gCyklaYZ4 | Dec 23 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Tell me what you think | Dec 23 00:00 |
| _goblin | watching now | Dec 23 00:00 |
| schestowitz | video of Danish policemen doing their work for Big Oil corporations by battering women | Dec 23 00:00 |
| _goblin | lol... | Dec 23 00:01 |
| _goblin | i thought this would be the vid | Dec 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | I didn't think it was funny | Dec 23 00:01 |
| _goblin | no it wasn't.... | Dec 23 00:01 |
| _goblin | I had seen this vid earlier....and when you said you were to show me something I was betting it was this one! | Dec 23 00:02 |
| _goblin | in respect of that vid, I could not answer for the actions of another country.....its very true when people say that law enforcement is not always a force of good. | Dec 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | I think people need to film such stuff | Dec 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | That's why I support the "everything is OK" gig | Dec 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | They shed light on police brutality | Dec 23 00:04 |
| _goblin | but just like any organization you have "bad apples" | Dec 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | By raiising awareness they prevent more incident like Tomlinton's [spelling]? | Dec 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: remember Boycott Novell protestors? | Dec 23 00:04 |
| _goblin | the police (or any other body) is not made up of super humans and perfect individuals. | Dec 23 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you never saw that.. | Dec 23 00:05 |
| _goblin | nah don't think I did. | Dec 23 00:05 |
| *PK has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 23 00:05 | |
| _goblin | I would say in my line of work, all my decisions have been proportionate & legal. I would say the same for my workmates. | Dec 23 00:05 |
| schestowitz | http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-novell-protesters-man-handled.html | Dec 23 00:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: .::. Size~: 241.39 KB | Dec 23 00:06 |
| _goblin | the think is with that Danish vid is that you are not seeing what had happened before. It could be a case of agressive policing or it could be something else. Whose to say 4 mins ago that person was seen with a weapon and the officer feared for their safety? That vid is a snapshop in time....we cannot guess what went on before. | Dec 23 00:07 |
| schestowitz | There are more videos | Dec 23 00:08 |
| _goblin | it would be unfair for me to "take sides" on either side....I tend to be of view, if I don't witness it myself, be sceptical. | Dec 23 00:08 |
| _goblin | having said that as humans the police can be just as capable of bad behaviour and maybe one of the good things about citizen journalism. | Dec 23 00:09 |
| _goblin | thats why personally I have no concerns on privacy. I can hapilly justify my actions in every decision I make. | Dec 23 00:10 |
| schestowitz | What do you think about the second incident? | Dec 23 00:11 |
| schestowitz | http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-novell-protesters-man-handled.html this reaches dozens of sites at the time, including Slashdot | Dec 23 00:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: .::. Size~: 241.39 KB | Dec 23 00:11 |
| _goblin | you see again this is another country... | Dec 23 00:16 |
| _goblin | just like the armed forces of other countries have their own behaviours | Dec 23 00:16 |
| schestowitz | What would happen in the UK? | Dec 23 00:17 |
| _goblin | I would like to think that in the UK if examples of bad policing/enforcement happened, those responsible are brought to task....Ive said before on my blog, its all about personal responsibility | Dec 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I can show you videos from that event too | Dec 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They were not aggressive | Dec 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Just handing out information, not that I was involved with it | Dec 23 00:17 |
| schestowitz | They used signs with graphics that I had made for BN | Dec 23 00:18 |
| _goblin | the right to peaceful protest is another right which I hold dear. | Dec 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | OK, good. | Dec 23 00:18 |
| _goblin | and thats peaceful on both side.....law enforcement and protesters | Dec 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Cause most ordinary people have no other way to participate in a democracy | Dec 23 00:18 |
| _goblin | You forget, I am a supporter of George Galloway! | Dec 23 00:18 |
| schestowitz | The elections are a bit of a sham in the sense that all elected sides have similar policies | Dec 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | It's a bundle deal | Dec 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Not referendum on actual policies | Dec 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | See what BidenAA and ObamAA are doing for example | Dec 23 00:19 |
| _goblin | politics is a subject which I try to avoid since I am not knowledgable enough on the subject. | Dec 23 00:19 |
| schestowitz | It's government for Big Business, with approval from the public once in 4 years | Dec 23 00:19 |
| _goblin | having said that I robustly challenge how FACT can have the ear of law enforcement.... | Dec 23 00:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I used to stay out due to being incapable to change anything | Dec 23 00:20 |
| schestowitz | The problem is that most people feel helpless about it indeed | Dec 23 00:20 |
| *jono has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Dec 23 00:20 | |
| _goblin | and I think that goes for everyone. | Dec 23 00:20 |
| schestowitz | So they leave it to people who fund (bribe) campaigns to run their country | Dec 23 00:20 |
| _goblin | I do think though, stereotypes and prejudice are on "both sides" | Dec 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | I think human nature means that: | Dec 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | 1) no political system can ever work | Dec 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | 2) we are doomed to destory ourselves | Dec 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | 3) hatred and divisions exist and can only be tolerated through brainwash | Dec 23 00:22 |
| _goblin | I think the human race by nature are self harmers. I think the human need to fight, to hate and to "own" are all far too engrained in our makeup to remove...the idealistic Startrek world I think would never happen. | Dec 23 00:22 |
| schestowitz | re (3), that's forbidding people from saying/doing what they think, a form of self restraint or self censorship if you like | Dec 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: indeed. | Dec 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But it's not something we can change | Dec 23 00:23 |
| _goblin | but I think there is a human need to be brainwashed.... | Dec 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Also, for a minority to overcome it is not enough | Dec 23 00:23 |
| _goblin | to believe people/things are better than oneself.....maybe why religion exists... | Dec 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Some people follow the inner parts of their brains (inherited for non-mammals for reproduction and survival) | Dec 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Freud wrote about this.., the inner animal in people waiitng to burst | Dec 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Then came WW1 | Dec 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I think of the bacteria analogy too | Dec 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | It would grow in the bottle you put it in until it runs out of resource to sustain itself and the whole population/colony dies | Dec 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | We have adapted our surrounding a lot to cope with growth | Dec 23 00:25 |
| _goblin | what people miss about brainwashing and war is not so much the propaganda (if there is any) but the fact that you can get men to perform tasks which under any other situation they would not do. | Dec 23 00:25 |
| _goblin | thats the brainwash | Dec 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Since invention of oil drilling, stimulating an industrial revolution of unprecedented proportions | Dec 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | If you take away the oil now you commit suicide | Dec 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | We cannot sustain ourselves (even food) without this new equilibrium we grew to fit | Dec 23 00:26 |
| _goblin | but thats true for so much.....imagine no electricity or metal.......we would regress to more savage times. | Dec 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't see the relevance | Dec 23 00:27 |
| schestowitz | What I'm trying to say is that we're self-destructive in a scary way | Dec 23 00:27 |
| _goblin | my point is, where we are today (brainwashed or not) or society is held together with materials, oil, metal or even electricity....they are the things that maintain order....take them away...anarchy rules. | Dec 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I had a chat about it on the phone with my dad a few hours ago cause he's very, very disappointed about the Copenhagen thing... nothing came out of it | Dec 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: not necessarily | Dec 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | But population size is the issue | Dec 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Fight over territory, water, and food | Dec 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | In some places there would be danger of death from the cold.... uninhabitable | Dec 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Like parts of Canada | Dec 23 00:29 |
| _goblin | I think though there is a stereotypical view of those who do fight for territory et al..and I don't think its as clear cut as people imagine. | Dec 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | You could probably burn wood for heat, but for how long? See what happened to Aussie/ | Dec 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: everyone fights for territory | Dec 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Whether one of physical or geographical might | Dec 23 00:30 |
| _goblin | Im more talking in regards to conflict in the name of another cause - its like the "everything is ok" would any of them understand a soldiers point of view | Dec 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Baboons too are like that | Dec 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a power struggle for domination to them | Dec 23 00:30 |
| _goblin | war on terror, war on war, war on war on war. | Dec 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: one of them was going to go to Iraq | Dec 23 00:31 |
| _goblin | which one? | Dec 23 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Perhaps he woke up on time and realised he would be a pawn for Big Oil | Dec 23 00:31 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Charlie, not Danny | Dec 23 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I've resumed watching them | Dec 23 00:31 |
| _goblin | charlie was a serviceman? | Dec 23 00:31 |
| _goblin | sorry not PC....serviceperson | Dec 23 00:31 |
| schestowitz | That Charlie guy posted some very nutty stuff for a while, but he stopped after people complained | Dec 23 00:31 |
| _goblin | Was Charlie in the forces? | Dec 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | He's Scottish/Brazilian | Dec 23 00:32 |
| _goblin | regiment? | Dec 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | So he said | Dec 23 00:32 |
| _goblin | mmmm..... | Dec 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | But it'\s Danny who's good | Dec 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | He is gentler and more interesting | Dec 23 00:32 |
| _goblin | ouch. | Dec 23 00:33 |
| _goblin | gentler? | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | He is the 'father' of this thing, the other guy, Charlier, just tries to mimic him and does this poorly | Dec 23 00:33 |
| _goblin | why can't a soldier be gentle. | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | *CHarlie | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: can't always | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Viciousness | Dec 23 00:33 |
| _goblin | ? | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | "We're the good guys, they are bad" | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Like in the 1984 storyline | Dec 23 00:33 |
| _goblin | two personalities....one work, one home. | Dec 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise you can't fight | Dec 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | The peacemaking is left for diplomats | Dec 23 00:34 |
| _goblin | controlled aggression... | Dec 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Soldiers carry out missions, not negotiate | Dec 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | They are tamed to take orders, like in circuit classes | Dec 23 00:34 |
| _goblin | I really hope we meet Roy....we are going to have an interesting chat! | Dec 23 00:34 |
| _goblin | When I walk through my door, Im gentle pushover dad. | Dec 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | That's different | Dec 23 00:36 |
| _goblin | infact in terms of viciousness, Id say my wife has more of that in our house... | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | You don't see corpses and stuff | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Some people came with war shock | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | And many soldiers (And ex-soldiers) end up in prison | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a shocking statistics | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Trained for war->turned to crime | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | THat said.. | Dec 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Many people who are candidate for crime are selected for war | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Either because: | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | 1) They are aggressive | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | OR | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | 2) they are easy to coerce | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Example: | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | You catch a violent young man | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | You tell him: | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | 1) go to prison (taxpayers pay) | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Or | Dec 23 00:37 |
| schestowitz | 2) join the army, kill some people with different skin colour | Dec 23 00:37 |
| _goblin | Roy, Im not disclosing anything here...but what I will say is that you will be surprised on what Ive done, what I do now and how I got here... | Dec 23 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Same goes for people who sell drugs or are natuallly attracted to aggresssion and confrontation | Dec 23 00:38 |
| schestowitz | I hope you don't spy on me :-) | Dec 23 00:38 |
| _goblin | lol | Dec 23 00:38 |
| _goblin | no. | Dec 23 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Some people did before, but nothing found | Dec 23 00:38 |
| _goblin | If you allowed private chat, Id give you my full details | Dec 23 00:39 |
| schestowitz | I just assume someone surfs 'with' me sometimes | Dec 23 00:39 |
| schestowitz | It's the safer mode of mind to work with the NEt | Dec 23 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Worst case scanarios | Dec 23 00:39 |
| schestowitz | *cen | Dec 23 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Personal details would not add anything | Dec 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Mine were just always public | Dec 23 00:40 |
| _goblin | What I will say, is that there are a few Wintrolls who sail very close to the legal winds.... | Dec 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine... | Dec 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Some were supposed to be in jail for other crimes | Dec 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Computer crimes, AFAIK | Dec 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Some have allegedly attempted to put them in prison, but they move | Dec 23 00:41 |
| _goblin | but I am only here because of my love of Linux.....and because Ive made quite a few online friends in the process. | Dec 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I have a lawyer here, whom I could in principle use to sue the Microsoft shills if I wish at some stage; I briefed him on it and he already successfully sued and won vs MSFT before | Dec 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall it it was "libel" related | Dec 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: heh. Costa? | Dec 23 00:43 |
| _goblin | Roy, IMO you have been victim of criminal actions not just civil. Ive witnessed it myself. I wait for you to make a complaint.... | Dec 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft even offshores its shilling | Dec 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Why pay $50k/annum when you can just send a laptop to some pathetic dude who is a Foley wannabe? | Dec 23 00:43 |
| _goblin | I don't alway agree with your stance on some things, but the behaviour you have been subjected to, at best borders on criminal. | Dec 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: the libel? | Dec 23 00:44 |
| _goblin | Im talking about harassment. | Dec 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | But I have the evidence | Dec 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | PJ was the same | Dec 23 00:44 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Lost terminal") | Dec 23 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | She has accuimulated evidence | Dec 23 00:44 |
| _goblin | Im talking about harassment and incitement to cause racial hatred. | Dec 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Not suing yet | Dec 23 00:44 |
| _goblin | threats to kill | Dec 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Dec 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | You got those too, no? | Dec 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | And Tony(UK) did too | Dec 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Do he said anywat | Dec 23 00:45 |
| _goblin | yep. | Dec 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | That COLA people threataned to kill him | Dec 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | He committed the crime of advocating Linux Mint | Dec 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | it's an intimidation tactic | Dec 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Void threats | Dec 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Gagging like this is a punishable crime | Dec 23 00:46 |
| _goblin | Ive been collecting information for quite some time of these actions. | Dec 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: [test]I have 20 people watching you! Be careful what you do with that secret ;-)[/test] | Dec 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Dec 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Phramas committed that crime | Dec 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | They intimidated a witness recently | Dec 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Dec 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | This is PJ on SCO intimidating her: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20050509145744287 | Dec 23 00:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Intimidation .::. Size~: 17.98 KB | Dec 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | And here is the later one: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20090809231252693 | Dec 23 00:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - A Fine Kettle of Pfizer Fish - Updated .::. Size~: 170 KB | Dec 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I never wanted to spend time on lawsuits, but the evidence does not age | Dec 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | "Here's a fine kettle of fish. Pfizer's lawyers hired a detective who ended up intimidating a witness the day before he was due to testify, according to this Law.com article, Why Did Pfizer Resort to Michael Clayton Tactics at First Neurontin Trial?:..." | Dec 23 00:48 |
| _goblin | yeah ive read those before....its so sad that individuals behave like this when all we are talking about is software/IT. | Dec 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202432898903&Why_Did_Pfizer_Resort_to_Michael_Clayton_Tactics_at_First_Neurontin_Trial | Dec 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "Two weeks after the trial abruptly ended with the plaintiffs agreeing to dismiss their case with prejudice, questions linger about why Pfizer sent a former CIA agent and private investigator to the home of a whisteblowing scientist the day before he was scheduled to testify." | Dec 23 00:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Law.com - Did Pfizer Intimidate a Key Plaintiffs Witness on the Eve of the Neurontin Trial? .::. Size~: 35.84 KB | Dec 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "The scientist, David Franklin, told the Am Law Litigation Daily that he and his family felt harassed and intimidated by the Pfizer investigator's appearance at their home and are still shaken by the event." | Dec 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: or talking about companies they defend | Dec 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Can you imagine me starting to say that Enderle removed his penis because he attacks Linux? | Dec 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Or sent him mail saying he's fried unless he stops it? | Dec 23 00:50 |
| cubezzz | Enderle | Dec 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Kinderle | Dec 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | W-E's buddy | Dec 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: if you think I should proceed to legal action against Microsoft+cronies, well... | Dec 23 00:51 |
| _goblin | it would be your call.... | Dec 23 00:51 |
| cubezzz | what happened? | Dec 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: long process, no? | Dec 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Better to do as class action | Dec 23 00:52 |
| _goblin | depends....if you were going through a civil route.... | Dec 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | I know other victims | Dec 23 00:52 |
| _goblin | and it would depend on your local CPS if you were considering criminal. | Dec 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Remember the HP case | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | HP did it to many journos | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | They sued together | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | And won | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | HP preyed on them on their families | Dec 23 00:53 |
| cubezzz | is Microsoft giving you trouble? | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Clamped-plate spines? | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | CPS... we use this term in our research | Dec 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Novell too | Dec 23 00:54 |
| _goblin | ah... | Dec 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They overstep the line sometimes, like having Novell employees (maybe not at the company's behest, but still a liability) smear me from other sites | Dec 23 00:54 |
| _goblin | brb youngest woken up. | Dec 23 00:54 |
| cubezzz | you got those memos all backed up? :) | Dec 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Which ones? | Dec 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Comes? | Dec 23 00:54 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Dec 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | BN will stay | Dec 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I also have heaps of evidence of attacks on me that came from companies I write about | Dec 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They have no privilege to attack me but they can counter the reporting or information | Dec 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | With disclosure of course | Dec 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/dec/22/bbc-drm-cory-doctorow | Dec 23 00:56 |
| cubezzz | I've learned a lot from your site | Dec 23 00:56 |
| cubezzz | I already hated Microsoft way before this though | Dec 23 00:56 |
| cubezzz | almost instinctively | Dec 23 00:57 |
| cubezzz | just a bad vibe in the beginning | Dec 23 00:57 |
| _goblin | Roy, why not consider submission to the mainstream press? | Dec 23 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Of this experience? | Dec 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it to The Register in 2006 | Dec 23 00:58 |
| _goblin | yes and your evidence | Dec 23 00:58 |
| _goblin | I was thinking more off the shelf.... | Dec 23 00:59 |
| _goblin | pres | Dec 23 00:59 |
| schestowitz | That's when the attacks were really nasty after in 2005 it was rather calm | Dec 23 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The move you advocate Linux, the more abuse you get | Dec 23 00:59 |
| schestowitz | In COLA you see this as systematic | Dec 23 00:59 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: how will the 'press' resolve much? | Dec 23 00:59 |
| schestowitz | BN gets more traffic than some of it assuming it enters the awareness pipes | Dec 23 00:59 |
| _goblin | exposure.... | Dec 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Of what? | Dec 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Of the issue? | Dec 23 01:00 |
| _goblin | the tactics used. | Dec 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | How would that resolve it | Dec 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 23 01:00 |
| _goblin | because the average joe would be made aware.... | Dec 23 01:00 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I already wrote about some of that | Dec 23 01:00 |
| _goblin | the average joe does not know what a shill is, has no idea of patents etc etc | Dec 23 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I know, I know | Dec 23 01:02 |
| schestowitz | But here's my question: | Dec 23 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Why did you move from the option of STOPPING the shills to just exposing the issue? | Dec 23 01:02 |
| schestowitz | I mean, to stop them you might have to punish by suing | Dec 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I've had even Microsoft employees like Wong do this | Dec 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Comparing me to Unabomber and stuff | Dec 23 01:03 |
| _goblin | ah Mr Wong..... | Dec 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Another shill did that just yesterday | Dec 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Comparing me to Unabomber | Dec 23 01:03 |
| schestowitz | It's from a shill who has been bugging myself and another person who advocates Linux | Dec 23 01:03 |
| cubezzz | Unabomber was pretty smart, just very badly adjusted | Dec 23 01:04 |
| cubezzz | brilliant even | Dec 23 01:04 |
| _goblin | for me, I stopped exposing as much because it put me in a difficult position.... there were issues that I am obliged to followup and at the end of the day I am only here for a hobby...some of the shills became rather agressive....when they thought they had found my identity I found myself faced with something that had gone beyond a mere flamewar or libel... | Dec 23 01:05 |
| _goblin | *for clarity "exposing" meaning exposing the shills. | Dec 23 01:05 |
| _goblin | :) | Dec 23 01:05 |
| cubezzz | merely adocating Linux shouldn't get one in trouble | Dec 23 01:06 |
| cubezzz | advocating | Dec 23 01:06 |
| _goblin | when I remember the ST/Amiga wars of the 90's they were nothing like this..... | Dec 23 01:06 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I remember that | Dec 23 01:06 |
| _goblin | it was all in good fun......this is far more sinister. | Dec 23 01:06 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is sinister | Dec 23 01:07 |
| cubezzz | Amiga was better though :) | Dec 23 01:07 |
| _goblin | of course! | Dec 23 01:07 |
| cubezzz | I find a good deal on a 1200 or 4000 and I'm there :) | Dec 23 01:07 |
| cubezzz | it's not dead either, just a few days ago a bunch of us were talking about the SAM board | Dec 23 01:09 |
| cubezzz | we had the register level knowledge which people just don't have now | Dec 23 01:09 |
| cubezzz | MiniMig... | Dec 23 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Mig? | Dec 23 01:12 |
| schestowitz | http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&source=hp&q=mig&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 | Dec 23 01:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: mig - Google Search .::. Size~: 49.48 KB | Dec 23 01:13 |
| MinceR | take off every 'mig' !! | Dec 23 01:13 |
| schestowitz | http://lockon.co.uk/img/about_game/pic5.jpg | Dec 23 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: in Soviet Russia, Mig takes off YOU | Dec 23 01:14 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: In Soviet Russia, all our base are belong to you. | Dec 23 01:14 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: MinoRig? | Dec 23 01:14 |
| schestowitz | *Minirig? | Dec 23 01:14 |
| _goblin | right im off...early start | Dec 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: In Soviet America (USSA), all our base are belong spreading across over 100 nations (over 1000 basesin total) | Dec 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | To spread democracy of course | Dec 23 01:15 |
| _goblin | take care all.....speak to you tomorrow... | Dec 23 01:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/uq3o9 - Chromium bug 31038 - window resizes on its own. | Dec 23 01:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thats me done for the night. Up early tomorrow....Not long before xmas though! | Dec 23 01:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] is this Linux powered? http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/sony-reader-adventure-enhancing-your-reader/ | Dec 23 01:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin support Mozilla and Linux browsers | Dec 23 01:25 | |
| yuhong | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1487272&cid=30528254 | Dec 23 01:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft Ordered To Pay $290M, Stop Selling Word .::. Size~: 47.52 KB | Dec 23 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi, yuhong | Dec 23 01:26 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, I wrote about it | Dec 23 01:26 |
| yuhong | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1487272&cid=30529008 | Dec 23 01:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft Ordered To Pay $290M, Stop Selling Word .::. Size~: 48.32 KB | Dec 23 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Many more articles are appearing now, but people lost interest | Dec 23 01:26 |
| yuhong | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1487272&cid=30528088 | Dec 23 01:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft Ordered To Pay $290M, Stop Selling Word .::. Size~: 72.77 KB | Dec 23 01:26 |
| schestowitz | It's more old news | Dec 23 01:26 |
| yuhong | Yes, I am referring to the comments. | Dec 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | "I despise Microsoft, and wish they'd been broken up and Gates and Ballmer put behind bars for what they've done, but this patent is still absurd." | Dec 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's a swpat | Dec 23 01:27 |
| yuhong | "The lawsuit and patent are very narrow and only affect an obscure feature of Microsoft Word that is used by a very small percentage of users. They do not have anything to do with the Office Open XML file format (otherwise this suit wouldn't just be Microsoft Word, it would be all the apps)." | Dec 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | So of course it's absurd | Dec 23 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Companies should offer added value not with patents | Dec 23 01:28 |
| yuhong | Not only does this not affect ODF at all, but it only affect a specific feature of OOXML. | Dec 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | But Micorosft wants to have it both ways | Dec 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It deliberately dodges the law while extorting Linux vendors with it | Dec 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, I know | Dec 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft cronies used it to mock ODF | Dec 23 01:28 |
| schestowitz | In BN we refuted them | Dec 23 01:29 |
| MinceR | m$ can't offer value | Dec 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | And later i4i confirmed that we were right | Dec 23 01:29 |
| yuhong | And turned out that it is easy to workaround by removing the feature. | Dec 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: velum | Dec 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velum | Dec 23 01:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Velum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 19.74 KB | Dec 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is The Vole | Dec 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: still, they need to pay | Dec 23 01:30 |
| schestowitz | They broke a company | Dec 23 01:30 |
| yuhong | Of course. | Dec 23 01:31 |
| yuhong | I bet this feature is so rarely used that it will cause less harm than Eolas. | Dec 23 01:31 |
| yuhong | But I bet this feature is so rarely used that the workaround will cause less harm than Eolas. | Dec 23 01:32 |
| yuhong | If you don't know what that was, it was why MS was forced to have users "click to activate" components in IE for 2 years. | Dec 23 01:33 |
| yuhong | I have a new slashdot submission ready too: | Dec 23 01:34 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/submission/1138906/The-problem-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theory | Dec 23 01:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Submission | The problem of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 48.14 KB | Dec 23 01:34 |
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| ziggyfish | so that didn't work | Dec 23 01:37 |
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| ziggyfish | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/188986.asp?source=mypi | Dec 23 01:52 |
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| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimig | Dec 23 01:55 |
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| sebsebseb | now this is a good read | Dec 23 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | http://trombonechamp.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/five-things-free-software-has-taught-me/ | Dec 23 01:57 |
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| yuhong | I forgot to mention Tim Bray's article on this: | Dec 23 02:08 |
| yuhong | msg NickServ identify | Dec 23 02:08 |
| yuhong | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/12/22/On-Custom-XML | Dec 23 02:08 |
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| yuhong | It has more details | Dec 23 02:09 |
| ziggyfish | I wonder if OOXML will removed from ISO as a standard | Dec 23 02:10 |
| tessier | Doubtful. | Dec 23 02:11 |
| yuhong | Yea, I remember the attempts to withdraw ODF 1.0. | Dec 23 02:12 |
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| BoRoMIrc | hallo | Dec 23 02:30 |
| BoRoMIrc | ich bin theo | Dec 23 02:30 |
| BoRoMIrc | und das ist karl otto | Dec 23 02:30 |
| BoRoMIrc | je n'aimepas du tout les parquets flottants | Dec 23 02:32 |
| BoRoMIrc | je répète: " je n'aime pas du tout les parquets flottants" | Dec 23 02:34 |
| BoRoMIrc | bon sang capitaine, larguez ces foutus bombes! | Dec 23 02:35 |
| BoRoMIrc | bande de tarlouses! | Dec 23 02:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] STOA conference on UPLS and how to get software patents in Europe: http://i5.be/5Z | Dec 23 02:42 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Dec 23 03:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA mentioned in length in the video recording of the STOA meeting in the European Parliament: http://i5.be/5Z | Dec 23 03:32 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: r u there? | Dec 23 04:12 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 23 04:12 |
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| Omar87 | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/library/20090817i4imemo.pdf | Dec 23 04:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Microsoft, finally falling in the same pit they dug a long ago: http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/158160 | Dec 23 04:50 | |
| Omar87 | http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/158160 | Dec 23 04:52 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Darth Vader opens #WallStreet http://ur1.ca/iepn !miotd #starwars | Dec 23 05:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Voted Arundhati Roy (Listening to Grasshoppers: Field Notes on Democracy) for Best Indian Author. http://uurl.in/2YPGx @HeadlinesIndia #Hi | Dec 23 06:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Staying Safe on Facebook : What the New Facebook Privacy Rules Mean for Activists http://bit.ly/56vZfw | Dec 23 08:22 | |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 23 09:06:50 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Dec 23 09:06 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Dec 23 09:06 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Dec 23 09:06 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Dec 23 09:06 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Dec 23 09:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2010 a Good Year for Desktop #GNU #Linux, 2009 Also http://ur1.ca/if2j http://ur1.ca/if2k | Dec 23 09:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux on the Desktop "So Good it’s Boring" http://celettu.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/linux-on-the-desktop-its-so-good-its-boring/ | Dec 23 09:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Details About the London Stock Exchange's New #GNU #Linux Deployment (Get the Facts!) http://ur1.ca/if2n | Dec 23 09:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Role in Spreading #Linux in Phones, Servers, Desktops http://ur1.ca/if2q | Dec 23 09:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.33 Analysed, #Graphics Additions Aplenty http://ur1.ca/if2v http://ur1.ca/if2x http://ur1.ca/if2z | Dec 23 09:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Christmas Application Releases Include #Digikam , #Opera http://ur1.ca/if30 http://ur1.ca/if32 | Dec 23 09:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Releases: #TinyCore Linux 2.7, #Amahi 5.0 http://ur1.ca/if35 http://ur1.ca/if36 | Dec 23 09:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Expected to Bring Many #Linux #Phones http://ur1.ca/if37 http://ur1.ca/if38 | Dec 23 09:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Put on #ASUS Eee PC 1201N http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=asus_eee_1201n&num=1 | Dec 23 09:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #KDE 4's Upper Hand in Visuals http://www.benkevan.com/blog/kde-4-windows-switching-preview-opensuse/ | Dec 23 10:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC Criticised for Blocking #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware Again http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/dec/22/bbc-drm-cory-doctorow | Dec 23 10:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Redefines "Open" in Conventional Sense http://ur1.ca/if43 http://ur1.ca/idm9 | Dec 23 10:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox 4.0 Revealed, #FirefoxMobile Nearly Out http://ur1.ca/if46 http://ur1.ca/if47 | Dec 23 10:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ten "Best" Free Software, Ways of Managing Free/Libre Software Debated http://ur1.ca/if4b http://ur1.ca/if4c | Dec 23 10:18 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web Abused by Media and Internet Giants http://ur1.ca/if4i http://ur1.ca/if4k# | Dec 23 10:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Developer Complains About #SoftwarePatents http://saxonica.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2009/12/14/4404215.html #swpat | Dec 23 10:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government Shoots Itself in the Foot by Letting #Microsoft Control Insecurity Departments http://ur1.ca/if6w | Dec 23 11:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Government Shoots Itself in the Foot by Letting Microsoft Control Insecurity Departments | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 111.89 KB | Dec 23 11:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just released the last episode of @uupc for season two. Check our festive Ubuntu themed poem too! http://bit.ly/7ljx0s | Dec 23 11:25 | |
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| schestowitz_log | http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/253385.html | Dec 23 11:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Lies About #Moonlight Carry on, MSBBC to Block #FreeSoftware Users Again http://ur1.ca/if8c | Dec 23 11:48 | |
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| schestowitz | GNU power | Dec 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | zoobab_: can you make off from http://i5.be/5Z ? | Dec 23 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 33031155 bytes) in /home/roy/Main/Programs/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 487 | Dec 23 11:52 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Dec 23 11:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SoftwarePatents and #ACTA , Gates-Backed Monsanto Wants to Own #Mexico ’s Food Supply http://ur1.ca/ifce | Dec 23 12:22 | |
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| Yfrwlf | probably already know, but there's a Yfrwlf a review of Shotwell on OMG Ubuntu | Dec 23 12:51 |
| Yfrwlf | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/12-days-of-xmas-day-six-shotwell.html | Dec 23 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, Yfrwlf | Dec 23 12:55 |
| Yfrwlf | yo | Dec 23 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that's you? | Dec 23 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Omgubuntu? | Dec 23 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Oh, nm | Dec 23 12:56 |
| Yfrwlf | no, they're in the UK, I'm TX ^^ | Dec 23 12:56 |
| schestowitz | "I reviewed Shotwell 0.3 a month or so back (see here) and i found myself.." | Dec 23 12:56 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: I notice you give the BBC a kicking on the site recently. Do you know about Reith and the General Strike? | Dec 23 12:56 |
| Yfrwlf | http://yorba.org/ is interesting though, non-profit software group, working on schestowitz video and picture OSS | Dec 23 12:56 |
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| kecskebak | BBC has a repuation for impartiality it's never really deserved... http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=446 | Dec 23 12:57 |
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| kecskebak | I love the BBC - I just don't trust a word it says. | Dec 23 12:58 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: I didn't know about Reith. | Dec 23 13:00 |
| Yfrwlf | the world will need to become more computer-savvy before the media monopoly really falls apart more | Dec 23 13:00 |
| schestowitz | I never heard of Yorba, either | Dec 23 13:01 |
| Yfrwlf | me neither, until OMGUbuntu mentioned them, didn't know that was where Shotwell came from | Dec 23 13:01 |
| kecskebak | Lombard sounds good | Dec 23 13:01 |
| schestowitz | "It is a history few journalist talk about or know about, and it began with the arrival of corporate advertising. As the new corporations began taking over the press, something called “professional journalism” was invented." | Dec 23 13:02 |
| schestowitz | "To attract big advertisers, the new corporate press had to appear respectable, pillars of the establishment—objective, impartial, balanced. The first schools of journalism were set up, and a mythology of liberal neutrality was spun around the professional journalist. The right to freedom of expression was associated with the new media and with the great corporations, and the whole thing was, as Robert McChesney put it so well, †| Dec 23 13:02 |
| schestowitz | entirely bogus”." | Dec 23 13:02 |
| Yfrwlf | yeah I haven't seen any reviews on Lombard yet | Dec 23 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Appear trustworthy, then sell ads with that 'trust' | Dec 23 13:02 |
| schestowitz | That's why they keep their old anchors | Dec 23 13:02 |
| schestowitz | They start to symbolise the old "father figure" you grew up watching and trusting | Dec 23 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Larry Kind, Wolf, Rose...... | Dec 23 13:03 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 23 13:03 |
| Yfrwlf | well hey | Dec 23 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/23/legal_highs_illegal/ | Dec 23 13:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Legal highs now illegal • The Register .::. Size~: 24.87 KB | Dec 23 13:04 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hi | Dec 23 13:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Dec 23 13:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/23/grand_theft_911/ | Dec 23 13:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: US mum calls 911 over Grand Theft Auto • The Register .::. Size~: 22.55 KB | Dec 23 13:04 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 23 13:04 |
| schestowitz | "Two law enforcement operatives attended the scene and "persuaded the child* to obey his mother", as AP puts it." | Dec 23 13:04 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: Yes, "Walter Cronkite - the most trusted man in America" etc. | Dec 23 13:05 |
| Yfrwlf | there's no money in truth apparently ^^ | Dec 23 13:06 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: they just use teleprompters | Dec 23 13:07 |
| kecskebak | If you want to work in broadcasting in the UK, you have to work unpaid for the first couple of years. That filters out the working class from the BBC very effectively. Behind the scenes the BBC is stuffed full of private school pupils. | Dec 23 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Let me find s/t | Dec 23 13:07 |
| Yfrwlf | Because then you'd actually be helping someone, instead of persuading them to buy something you're paid to sell | Dec 23 13:07 |
| schestowitz | About BBC self-censorship | Dec 23 13:07 |
| Yfrwlf | if only "IP TV" like Miro was more accessible and mainstream, with full channels and whatnot | Dec 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that's the one: | Dec 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U85lC6pKmM0 | Dec 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | But they always have some folks who attack the likes of Vidal | Dec 23 13:10 |
| Yfrwlf | not to mention the fact that most all broadband connections are severely upstream-limited so it's difficult to share data, when the should just be giving you a total up/down cap. | Dec 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Ha: | Dec 23 13:11 |
| schestowitz | This one is quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_3qFpi4ooU | Dec 23 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Yfrwlf: remember that in most nations the Net is too slow for streaming 'alternative' media | Dec 23 13:13 |
| amarsh04 | it's probably worth looking up how George Orwell was critical of the BBC (where he worked) | Dec 23 13:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_duke_nukem/all/1 | Dec 23 13:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Learn to Let Go: How Success Killed Duke Nukem | Magazine .::. Size~: 124.64 KB | Dec 23 13:15 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I pointed this out in BN many times | Dec 23 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I also posted his letter of resignation | Dec 23 13:16 |
| amarsh04 | good, schestowitz | Dec 23 13:16 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/orwell-bbc.jpg | Dec 23 13:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Amazon's Kindle has copyright protection hacked http://tinyurl.com/yb75rk3 | Dec 23 13:19 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC News - Amazon's Kindle has copyright protection hacked .::. Size~: 47.26 KB | Dec 23 13:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15108618&subjectID=349005&fsrc=nwl | Dec 23 13:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Newspapers and technology: Network effects | The Economist .::. Size~: 73.71 KB | Dec 23 13:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb what took so long? :-) | Dec 23 13:20 | |
| kecskebak | Has anything fundamentally changed since BBC founder Lord Reith wrote of the establishment: "They know they can trust us not to be really impartial"? | Dec 23 13:22 |
| kecskebak | That's a quote from here http://www.medialens.org/bookshop/guardians_of_power.php but I've heard it numerous times before | Dec 23 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | What is left to trust then? | Dec 23 13:25 |
| kecskebak | Reith wrote it in his diary | Dec 23 13:25 |
| kecskebak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC#Allegations_of_bias | Dec 23 13:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 289.36 KB | Dec 23 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Everyone has biases, the BBC is no exception | Dec 23 13:26 |
| kecskebak | Well I trust Boycott Novell :) | Dec 23 13:26 |
| kecskebak | But what you are going to call it next year when Novell goes bust I don't know... | Dec 23 13:26 |
| kecskebak | Obviously, the BBC is nervous at the moment - it's still getting over having Brian Hutton thrown at it. | Dec 23 13:27 |
| kecskebak | And I sometimes wonder if the BBC sees cosying up to Microsoft or Google as a bit of insurance to help it against the attacks it gets from Fox | Dec 23 13:28 |
| kecskebak | But I have no evidence whatsoever of that. | Dec 23 13:29 |
| Yfrwlf | I think I trust the BBC more than I trust most any of the big American media companies, but I dunno | Dec 23 13:30 |
| Yfrwlf | just because they are sponcored by the government can mean they stay less corrupt for longer, but not always of course | Dec 23 13:31 |
| kecskebak | I think the BBC is so big and the management so diffuse that there are always pockets of the BBC that do stuff that the top may not agree with | Dec 23 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | BBC could do some nice Desktop Linux promotion, if they really wanted to | Dec 23 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | they could do more technology shows. there's Click, but that's mainly targeted at the "average consumer really" so Windows users mainly, then Apple users, and then a tiny bit of Linux stuff, if lucky | Dec 23 13:34 |
| kecskebak | One of the big problems for the BBC is it's commercial arm - Click is distributed by it. | Dec 23 13:34 |
| kecskebak | The commercial arm is run just like any other business | Dec 23 13:34 |
| kecskebak | And it's requirements tend to distort the licence fee payer stuff | Dec 23 13:34 |
| kecskebak | Even though that should not happen | Dec 23 13:35 |
| kecskebak | You can see Click dubbed into Hungarian on HirTV for instance | Dec 23 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | they also have it in some of the Arab counteries I think | Dec 23 13:36 |
| kecskebak | The BBC also sells advertising in foreign countries on its foreign channels - obviously there aren't many Linux ads | Dec 23 13:36 |
| kecskebak | There are two BBC Channels available in Hungary, both advertising funded | Dec 23 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | oh didn't know they did adverts in other counteries | Dec 23 13:36 |
| kecskebak | Yes - and the website has adverts viewed from abroad | Dec 23 13:37 |
| kecskebak | The adverts tend to be for big corporates - same sort of people who advertise on National Gegraphic | Dec 23 13:37 |
| kecskebak | More and more BBC programmes are shown abroad and I would be surprised if there wasn't indirect pressure to stop the content of programmes upsetting the advertisers. | Dec 23 13:38 |
| kecskebak | Nothing direct, or written down, but nods and winks. | Dec 23 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | yeah BBC World | Dec 23 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | BBC America | Dec 23 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | BBC Prime | Dec 23 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | other counteries like BBC stuff as well | Dec 23 13:39 |
| kecskebak | I sometimes joke you can predict where the next war will be from where the BBC sets up a TV station. They set up an Iranian channel just before the failed colour revolution there. | Dec 23 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | and there's a UK and international version of the news site, last time I saw the thing for it | Dec 23 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | colour revolution? I don't follow the main stream news that much. Also according to certain people the main stream media, try and control people, and well they do. | Dec 23 13:41 |
| kecskebak | It was green this time. | Dec 23 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | not sure what you mean | Dec 23 13:41 |
| kecskebak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution | Dec 23 13:42 |
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| sebsebseb | oh ok | Dec 23 13:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co3FONI6kHU | Dec 23 13:46 |
| schestowitz | [13:26] <kecskebak> But what you are going to call it next year when Novell goes bust I don't know... | Dec 23 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I reckon they won't last another year as well | Dec 23 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Microsoft could bail them out :D | Dec 23 13:47 |
| kecskebak | Well, just hope Mono is reigned in so it won't be Boycott GNOME or Boycott Canonical... | Dec 23 13:48 |
| kecskebak | That would be a real shame | Dec 23 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | Lindows/Linspire used to be the joke of Desktop Linux or whatever, but now it's Xandros? nah Xandros are just known to not have a very good distribution? now there isn't really a joke of Desktop Linux, it's just a lot of the more experienced users aren't that keen on Novell, because of the agreement with Microsoft and Mono right? | Dec 23 13:49 |
| oiaohm | There are more jokes around .net than anything else. | Dec 23 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: such as? | Dec 23 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Ok what I class as jokes. | Dec 23 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Techenical design errors. | Dec 23 13:51 |
| oiaohm | yet people don't notice. | Dec 23 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Like releasing so called standard before having a working implementation. | Dec 23 13:52 |
| oiaohm | So all the EMCA standards don't end up matching perfectly the MS implementations. | Dec 23 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Get even more stupid like people claiming that C# 4.0 exists since revision 4 of the EMCA standard covering C# has been released. | Dec 23 13:55 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Dec 23 14:08 |
| oiaohm | It also comes fun with mono there are cases that you build programs in mono and they don't run in MS .net and vice verser due to the standard errors. | Dec 23 14:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is a nice photo: http://i.imgur.com/Kv0yM.jpg it's more complex than it looks | Dec 23 14:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 23 14:09 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu seem to quite like Mono hmm | Dec 23 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Nice picture schestowitz | Dec 23 14:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Tip: Don't hand me a screwdriver & an OLPC & ask 'how many screws can you remove and music still play'.I will comply. http://bit.ly/8btt15 | Dec 23 14:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Picasa Web Albums - alanbelltolc - Ubuntu UK .::. Size~: 73.63 KB | Dec 23 14:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Note: The OLPC only powered down when I shorted a connection during disassembly. Apparently it still boots fine :) | Dec 23 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, they do | Dec 23 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I suggested it got removed from the default install to some developer on IRC and well :D | Dec 23 14:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] BTW the OLPC is owned by @alanbelltolc :) | Dec 23 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: be careful | Dec 23 14:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey "name me another mainstream media outlet which gave it more prominent coverage this year." http://ur1.ca/ifi4 | Dec 23 14:23 | |
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| schestowitz | If you say something negative about Mono, then c# fans will attack yiu | Dec 23 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | why? | Dec 23 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: some Ubuntu developer that does sound, that's what I meant | Dec 23 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of people don't really care about screensavers anymore, but Ubuntu used to come with loads by default, but not anymore, instead it's starting to come with new stuff by default, that well I don't need. Ubuntu One, etc | Dec 23 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | loads of nice ones, that was meant to be above | Dec 23 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Dec 23 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Insanity with packaging combind with unstable pulseaudio gives ubuntu hell in audio sebsebseb | Dec 23 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Well I am doing a bit of virtual machine testing of the next Ubuntu, but not so much at the moment, since the new end user features, that aren't under the hood stuff, aren't there yet. I want to do the same test that I did for Karmic. install with Ext3 test the boot up and shut down, then install with Ext4. I have a feeling the final of Lucid won't last that long on here though, because i'll want to put Mandriva Spring | Dec 23 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | 2010 on, then I might just keep that on, and upgrade it to the next one. | Dec 23 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed Ubuntu is rather bad for sound, since they introduced pulseaudio in Hardy | Dec 23 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Lot of great stuff will come in 2010 | Dec 23 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: maybe you read it wrong or something, when I said I complaiend to some developer | Dec 23 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | do you mean the year 2010? or Mandriva Spring 2010? | Dec 23 14:31 |
| oiaohm | I more follow kernel directly and other key parts sebsebseb | Dec 23 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well I guess I would hope so in a way, after all your a system admin, even though you have to work with Windows and hate it | Dec 23 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Currently ext3 is faster than ext4 | Dec 23 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Some distributions were insane swaping to ext4 before production ready status was achived. | Dec 23 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well when / is is done in 9.04 in Ext4 | Dec 23 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | oh the speed improvements | Dec 23 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | not perfectly stable there though, since the kernel, and blah de blah | Dec 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Stable and production ready have two different meanings. | Dec 23 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | some people have had issues with Ext4 in Ubuntu 9.10 | Dec 23 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | I think some people are even getting data loss from Ext4 still, and if not that data curruption of large files | Dec 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | That is ubuntu fault. | Dec 23 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | how so? | Dec 23 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | for making it the default? | Dec 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | they run the filesystem in the fastest way. Fastest way provides stablity. | Dec 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | issues | Dec 23 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | fastest way provides issues? | Dec 23 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | you mean yeah? | Dec 23 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Dec 23 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | well my little test of 9.10 with Ext3 and Ext4 | Dec 23 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | for boot up and shut down | Dec 23 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | it didn't seem to make a difference at all | Dec 23 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Like delaying data writes. | Dec 23 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Some modes are only fine if you have a UPS. sebsebseb | Dec 23 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | I assume that automatic disk check after 23 or so boots, with Ext4 wil be faster, but my Karmic install didn't last long enough for that :D | Dec 23 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | or did it, and it was so quick I didn't notice hmm | Dec 23 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | what's UPS? | Dec 23 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | sounds vaguely familur the letters | Dec 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | U(cannot be disturbed cannot spell word at moment) Power Supply | Dec 23 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | someone said something to me on IRC, something like, a file system needs to be out there for at least three or five years, before it's proeprly stable | Dec 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | not exactly true sebsebseb | Dec 23 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I didn't think so either | Dec 23 14:39 |
| oiaohm | If a filesystem has glitches you normally know in the first 6 months. | Dec 23 14:39 |
| oiaohm | If it can go 6 months without a glitch being found it normally perfect. | Dec 23 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Ext4 has not done that yet. | Dec 23 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | I remember seeing the thing about possible data curruption of large files in the 9.10 release notes, thing is most users aren't going to read the notes | Dec 23 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | on the subject of insane, in a way Ubuntu/Canonical are a bit insane, because they are doing GDM 2 already, when it can't even be themed like the old one. Quite a lot of users want to theme it like the old one. | Dec 23 14:41 |
| oiaohm | grub 2 before release as well sebsebseb | Dec 23 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | there's something else the new GDM 2 can't do as well I think | Dec 23 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it's alpha 4 in 9.10. Fedora has it as well, but Fedora is more cutting edge anyway. | Dec 23 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva 2010 uses the old Grub :) and the old GDM :) | Dec 23 14:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mainstream Aussie news thinks that Linux is "public domain Unix" http://ur1.ca/ifj4 #disinformation | Dec 23 14:42 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I assume you tried Ubuntu 9.10? What do you think of it? | Dec 23 14:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @schestowitz: I thought that too when I read it, usually they're broken much quicker | Dec 23 14:43 | |
| oiaohm | Not exactly happy with it sebsebseb. | Dec 23 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | alpha 4 above, I think I meant beta | Dec 23 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: why? | Dec 23 14:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Nice! Must read! RD: @abbe: @vu3rdd: http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2010/1/55760-what-should-we-teach-new-software-developers-why/fulltext | Dec 23 14:44 | |
| oiaohm | mint has been doing better job not having glitches. | Dec 23 14:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What Should We Teach New Software Developers? Why? | January 2010 | Communications of the ACM .::. Size~: 47.85 KB | Dec 23 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | mint is uhmm uh | Dec 23 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | well I vm'd it and didn't like it much | Dec 23 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but also didn't use it properly, to be fair | Dec 23 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: 9.10 is an experiment basicalley. most users don't know that | Dec 23 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Its getting sad when ubuntu i get more unstable than fedora that is a true experimental. | Dec 23 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | 9.10 is more unstable than Fedora? | Dec 23 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | when you say unstable and stable what do you mean exactly, it can mean differnet things | Dec 23 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Due to the way Ubuntu alters packages applications can fail to work right more times than Fedora does. | Dec 23 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | yeah they take Debian packages, and do some stuff to them, what exactly, I don't know | Dec 23 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Debian packages are not always the most stable. | Dec 23 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | no? well I guess not if they are from testing | Dec 23 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Adding more patches on top | Dec 23 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if they are from stable, then they are pretty stable? | Dec 23 14:49 |
| oiaohm | hello trouble. | Dec 23 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu takes from testing and sids | Dec 23 14:49 |
| oiaohm | then patches on top. | Dec 23 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | patches on top with what exactly? | Dec 23 14:50 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/returnthe-jaunty/380482/ | Dec 23 14:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Return of the Jaunty! .::. Size~: 114.25 KB | Dec 23 14:50 |
| schestowitz | You ain't alone, maaan :-) | Dec 23 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I have read quite a bit of negative Karmic stuff already | Dec 23 14:50 |
| *schestowitz on 9.10 but super stable with kde4 | Dec 23 14:50 | |
| sebsebseb | ,but that particulr link. don't think I been on that, so thanks | Dec 23 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why are you on 9.10? I thought you were Mr Mandriva KDE user ? | Dec 23 14:51 |
| schestowitz | It's just s/t I saw a minute ago, sebsebseb | Dec 23 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | s/t as in something? | Dec 23 14:51 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I will probably move to 4.4 when 2010 Spring is out | Dec 23 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: sound, wireless, and ATI graphics card support, that's the main issues with Ubuntu | Dec 23 14:52 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes | Dec 23 14:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure it's a shorthand that exists, I just use it myself | Dec 23 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | yes to s/t as in something? | Dec 23 14:52 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 23 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Not s*t | Dec 23 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | shit? | Dec 23 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: certain hardware that worked fine in 9.04, doesn't in 9.10, now that's quite a problem really, when you think about it | Dec 23 14:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone know how to modify trackpad sensitivity in #UNR? | Dec 23 14:53 | |
| kecskebak | I've only just found out why Ubuntu made my speakers pop all the time - that really made me cross | Dec 23 14:54 |
| kecskebak | And I have to modify a file to play DVDs | Dec 23 14:54 |
| kecskebak | I had neither problem with Fedora 12 | Dec 23 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: as for end user features, not under the hood stuff, I got no advantage at all. Ubuntu One, I don't want to use that. the boot up no thanks. new log in screen no thanks. Grub 2 don't need that. Software Centre looks nicer than add/remove, but don't need that. | Dec 23 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | so yep I went Mandriva | Dec 23 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | really nice Plymouth boot up, that is grapical and then I can press esc for the text mode | Dec 23 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | really nice default theme, etc. had a bug or two with it, but only little things | Dec 23 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | a bug or three or whatever yeah | Dec 23 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: ok why did it do that? | Dec 23 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | as for commercial DVD's yes, Ubuntu does not have support by default | Dec 23 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,becasue of legal reasons | Dec 23 14:57 |
| kecskebak | http://kecskebak.blogspot.com/2009/12/hey-jemima-lets-go-popping.html | Dec 23 14:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kecske Bak: Hey Jemima let's go popping.... .::. Size~: 58.58 KB | Dec 23 14:57 |
| kecskebak | http://kecskebak.blogspot.com/2009/11/watching-dvds-on-ubuntu.html | Dec 23 14:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kecske Bak: Watching DVDs on Ubuntu .::. Size~: 59.91 KB | Dec 23 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah it's lap tops that tend to get the problems with Ubuntu | Dec 23 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | desktops tend to work well :) | Dec 23 14:57 |
| kecskebak | Well I'm using a Desktop! | Dec 23 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | thing is there are loads of users running Ubuntu on a lap top now, hmm | Dec 23 14:57 |
| kecskebak | Which is weird | Dec 23 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | I guess people that really want an alternative to Windows and can't afford Mac OS X | Dec 23 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | and that don't know that much about computers | Dec 23 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but enough to use an alternative OS | Dec 23 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | see Ubuntu as basically their only option, and so they may be forgiving to hardware issues and such, and want to get it configured. get what I mean? | Dec 23 14:59 |
| schestowitz | oh, kecskebak has blog | Dec 23 14:59 |
| *schestowitz subscribes | Dec 23 14:59 | |
| kecskebak | Yes, it's rubbish but it's mine :) | Dec 23 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | or was the which is weird, thing to your sound issue? | Dec 23 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | since it was on a desktop | Dec 23 14:59 |
| kecskebak | Yes, as it was on a desktop it was very odd. I realised it wasn't my computer when Fedora 12 worked fine | Dec 23 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | yep sometimes or a lot of the time even, sound and wireless don't work properly in Ubuntu on some computer, but then try another distro, and no problem | Dec 23 15:01 |
| kecskebak | Wireless doesn't work properly on my wife's computer - that's getting Fedora put on it when I have time | Dec 23 15:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] am I thinking of something else or is Fenec a Dark Tower reference? Fenec station, outside Thunderclap | Dec 23 15:01 | |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: How technical is she? | Dec 23 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva is nice | Dec 23 15:02 |
| kecskebak | Not at all | Dec 23 15:02 |
| kecskebak | She uses computers under protest | Dec 23 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva used to have the market Ubuntu has now | Dec 23 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva is a RPM distro as well etc. I am thinking maybe Mandriva would be better for her. | Dec 23 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | Also since Fedora is so cutting edge, sometiems things really do go wrong with it etc. | Dec 23 15:02 |
| kecskebak | OK - I've never used Mandriva, so I'll give it a spin and then put it on her machine | Dec 23 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: schestowitz likes Mandriva a lot | Dec 23 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | there's Gnome and KDE version, both are nice. of course both can be installed into same install. What's a bit odd about Mandriva though is no 64bit version of the one version from the company, but there is one from the community. | Dec 23 15:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] George Galloway in Jordan with the third aid convoy to Gaza: http://tinyurl.com/yeyqo44 | Dec 23 15:06 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Convoy in Jordan to Grand Welcom .::. Size~: 12.89 KB | Dec 23 15:06 |
| kecskebak | sebsebseb: What's the difference between One and Powerpack? | Dec 23 15:08 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ROLF RD: @abbe: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1896/ | Dec 23 15:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Comics - Explosm.net .::. Size~: 14.87 KB | Dec 23 15:09 |
| kecskebak | sebsebseb: Found it now. Sorry | Dec 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: I could not get access to some packages like mysell | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | *mysql | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/live-by-the-sword/ | Dec 23 15:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Live by the sword&&. or so Microsoft discover? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 35.66 KB | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I think it said something about "community" and premium | Dec 23 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: Free, free software only, One has Flash with it and such. Powerpack commercial software and paid for support from the company | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a Server edition of Mandriva (one existed, maybe still does) | Dec 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I know of companies that use PowerPack | Dec 23 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well his wife won't be using MySQL anyway :) | Dec 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 hype had died mostly | Dec 23 15:12 |
| kecskebak | After Christmas I'll have a go with that. I'll be struggling to get the graphics tablet I got for Christmas working on Ubuntu first. | Dec 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Been just 2 months (Oct 23rd) and it's a "meh" | Dec 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Which I'm happy about... | Dec 23 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: Mandriva is based on early Redhat | Dec 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Mandrake | Dec 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | And connectiva | Dec 23 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah Mandrake | Dec 23 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: Mandriva used to be known as Mandrake | Dec 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | There's also PCLinuxOS | Dec 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | They have been quite recently | Dec 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Prdus too | Dec 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | *Pardus | Dec 23 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | PCLinuxOS is based on Mandrake | Dec 23 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I read a quite recant article, about how they are still using KDE 3 | Dec 23 15:14 |
| kecskebak | I had heard of Madriva but it passed me by when I was looking at different distros last month | Dec 23 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: PCLinux OS | Dec 23 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: I have a distro review I can link to and such | Dec 23 15:14 |
| kecskebak | Thanks - I'll certainly have a read of that | Dec 23 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah there's this as well | Dec 23 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7643/1.html | Dec 23 15:15 |
| oiaohm | they are now trying to start Vista 8 hype schestowitz | Dec 23 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | come on bot do your thing? | Dec 23 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | with the title | Dec 23 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: well that's an article about Mandriva | Dec 23 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Slated is staring is own distro now: http://slated.org/the_straw_that_broke_the_penguins_hat | Dec 23 15:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Straw That Broke The Penguin's Hat | Slated .::. Size~: 27.94 KB | Dec 23 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why did it not do a title for mine? | Dec 23 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | the server is down maybe or something | Dec 23 15:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they started in April 2009 | Dec 23 15:17 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: you mean phIRCe-local? | Dec 23 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't tried Windows 7 final yet. I have been thinking about downloading a trial and virtual maching it | Dec 23 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes | Dec 23 15:17 |
| schestowitz | BN server is under persistently high load these days | Dec 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | load average: 3.12, 5.48, 4.50 | Dec 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes shoots up to ~15 | Dec 23 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | no the title thing for urls | Dec 23 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | if the site can't be accessed at the time | Dec 23 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | these bots wno't show it | Dec 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: ask trmanco | Dec 23 15:18 |
| kecskebak | I had to come back later to see the news this morning once. | Dec 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | He's the coder behind it | Dec 23 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: news for what? | Dec 23 15:18 |
| kecskebak | The news on Boycott Novell, as the site wasn't responding | Dec 23 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | on the subject of hype, Ubuntu got a lot of that | Dec 23 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... | Dec 23 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I hate when the load denies access | Dec 23 15:19 |
| trmanco | the site may be blocking it | Dec 23 15:19 |
| schestowitz | There is already one almost-dedicated multi-core server | Dec 23 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh yeah I saw the video earlier, good video, however it's got one of your favourite websites in it. yep BBC News, just jokeing :) | Dec 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | The RSS feed requests hit the most, but these are caches | Dec 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | *cached | Dec 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | About 200k requests/month for full RSS, which people read offline | Dec 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: which video? | Dec 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | BBC news is not too bad | Dec 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Compared to US media it's OK | Dec 23 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the touch screen one | Dec 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | US media only covers brands like iPod and VIsta 7 | Dec 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | The "fashnionable consumption" 'content', rarely ideas | Dec 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Also, they focus on small stories | Dec 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Like some murder drama in a school, but not enough about healthcare being ruined for everyone by lobbyists, killing hundreds of thousands per yar | Dec 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | They must keep those subjects suppressed and off the agenda | Dec 23 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: going through my bookmarks getting the link I wanted to share, but this was a good read as well, and by the same authour | Dec 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Get people worried about who Naomi Campbell sleeps with, not what is likely to kill them when they get older | Dec 23 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7651/1.html | Dec 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: any opinion on cell phone and radioation? | Dec 23 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | the bot does not like me? for the title today? | Dec 23 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | In Maine (IIRC) they now add cancer warnings to mobiles | Dec 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's the site | Dec 23 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: which site? | Dec 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | linux magazine | Dec 23 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Dec 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | The bot does 3 functions | Dec 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | One of link-fetch, most valuable one for bn channel | Dec 23 15:24 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: No, not really. I haven't seen any evidence yet that suggests it's a problem. | Dec 23 15:25 |
| schestowitz | YouTube is still rejecting it, which is a shame cause YouTube links are some of the worst when it comes to refelecting upon content | Dec 23 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | title: The Five Distros That Changed Linux | Dec 23 15:25 |
| kecskebak | But I don't know enough to have a view on it | Dec 23 15:25 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9999188-1.html | Dec 23 15:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Cancer doc urges cell phone precaution | Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 80.37 KB | Dec 23 15:26 |
| kecskebak | That's interesting - I'll follow this. | Dec 23 15:26 |
| schestowitz | The AstroTurfers are back to commenting in BN today | Dec 23 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a nerve was struck, I dunno.. | Dec 23 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon many other studies are conducted or fund by: | Dec 23 15:28 |
| kecskebak | I know several media EMR scare stories were debunked quite comprehensively by Dr. Ben Goldacre | Dec 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | 1) people who use cell phones (no double-blinded tests) | Dec 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | 2) cellphone companies (Carriers/manufacturers) | Dec 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | /fund/funded | Dec 23 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: hmm found it, but he does not mention Mandriva. It's a Fedora, OpenSuse, and Ubuntu, comparision thing. He ends up not recommending 9.10 and explains why, and ends up recommending OpenSuse since he is an OpenSuse fan boy. I guess I forgot that it wasn't a really good one. There are quite a few distro comparisions and such on the web though. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review_3_top_Linux_distros_go_for_ | Dec 23 15:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 23 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | different_users | Dec 23 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | uh what happended to the end of my url | Dec 23 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142148/Review_3_top_Linux_distros_go_for_different_users | Dec 23 15:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Review: 3 top Linux distros go for different users .::. Size~: 144.7 KB | Dec 23 15:31 |
| kecskebak | Thanks sebsebseb | Dec 23 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | OpenSuse is from a community not Novell itself | Dec 23 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Dec 23 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | I think OpenSuse is a good one to avoide anyway | Dec 23 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz what you think? | Dec 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | yes, avoid | Dec 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/attackers-buying-own-data-centers-botnets-spam-122109 | Dec 23 15:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Attackers Buying Own Data Centers for Botnets, Spam | threatpost .::. Size~: 65.67 KB | Dec 23 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: since the link to Novell? | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I find that a little hard to believe\ | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | THey don't need DCs | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | They own3d people's entire networks | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and others can scoop up Novell's Linux developers | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | IBM, Intel, HP..... | Dec 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Zero-sum | Dec 23 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Ubuntu and then quite a few of these noobs about OpenSuse as well hmm, in fact quite a lot have used it | Dec 23 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | know about above | Dec 23 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: http://www.linuxtoday.com is a great site | Dec 23 15:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. .::. Size~: 117.27 KB | Dec 23 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | and if you search the archeive you could search for Mandriva for example, and get on a few articles | Dec 23 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | I remember when I coudn't just get on to the archeive, but wanted to. The link for the archeives is at the bottom of the page. | Dec 23 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: search the archeive, search the site I guess I mean | Dec 23 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well it likes those link | Dec 23 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: linux mag is a source that isn't liked or something? | Dec 23 15:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/photobucket-website-no-longer.html | Dec 23 15:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OMG! UBUNTU!: Photobucket no longer supporting Linux .::. Size~: 88.25 KB | Dec 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Dec 23 15:41 |
| kecskebak | Linux Mag was full of pop-ups - maybe it was that | Dec 23 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ah yes the photobucket stuff | Dec 23 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | I read about that | Dec 23 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | a few months or so ago | Dec 23 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | after someone told me on the net that they coudn't upload loads of photos to photobucket or whatever it was. | Dec 23 15:42 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Linux Mag is OK for this author | Dec 23 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I like Chris smart | Dec 23 15:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Dell from Hell... [with pictures] http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Dell-mini-fire-burn-overheat,9308.html | Dec 23 15:49 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dell Mini 9 Explodes, Burns Hole in Floor - Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 104.96 KB | Dec 23 15:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/12/22/croatian-president-candidate-dragan-primorac-caught-in-olpc-scandal.aspx | Dec 23 15:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/newmoonlight.mspx | Dec 23 15:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Covenant to End Users of Moonlight 3 and 4 .::. Size~: 24.71 KB | Dec 23 15:53 |
| cubezzz | it's these high energy batteries | Dec 23 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Still Novell only, sadly... take a look at this so-called "promise" (maybe we should start calling Mono and Moonlight "promiseware" and beg Microsoft). The codecs must be retrieved from Novell, so this is not much more than another round of PR which pretends Microsoft's Moonlight (yes, the official site says "Microsoft Moonlight") has given its "blessing". It's all about combating (X)HTML and Flash. | Dec 23 15:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what's that meant to mean ok for that author? he useually does rather good articles, and he is a computer world one mainly | Dec 23 15:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] It's hard not to believe in spirits when you can hold a bottle of whiskey in your own hands, nothing beats personal experience lol | Dec 23 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: he made his own distro too | Dec 23 15:53 |
| sebsebseb | did he? | Dec 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Ys | Dec 23 15:54 |
| sebsebseb | which? | Dec 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | First distro of its kind | Dec 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | XGL by default, on live CD | Dec 23 15:54 |
| cubezzz | I don't recall panasonic toughbooks ever doing that | Dec 23 15:54 |
| sebsebseb | Steven made his own distro hmm? | Dec 23 15:54 |
| cubezzz | don't use Moonlight, probably better not to use flash even | Dec 23 15:55 |
| sebsebseb | what's PR again? | Dec 23 15:55 |
| sebsebseb | hmm moonlight would have to be downloaded from the Microsoft site now? wasn't it from Novell before? | Dec 23 15:55 |
| cubezzz | I use stuff like youtube-dl.py so I don't even have flash on this machine | Dec 23 15:55 |
| cubezzz | embrace, extend... | Dec 23 15:55 |
| sebsebseb | we need something proper to replace Flash that is open source really. and browser markers and websites to support it that's the issue. no I guess SVG and <video> and <audio> all don't cut it really | Dec 23 15:56 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: you use what? | Dec 23 15:57 |
| sebsebseb | some program to download FLash? | Dec 23 15:57 |
| cubezzz | I use python scripts to capture the flv file so I don't even use flash on this box | Dec 23 15:57 |
| sebsebseb | shame Banshee is made in Mono, it's quite a nice player | Dec 23 15:58 |
| cubezzz | then I just use mplayer to play the flv file | Dec 23 15:58 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I even go further and use lynx as my browser | Dec 23 15:58 |
| kecskebak | Quod Libet is the only music player I've been 100% happy with | Dec 23 15:58 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye streaming legal services, when the companies that own the content... | Dec 23 15:58 |
| sebsebseb | what's Quod Libet? | Dec 23 15:58 |
| kecskebak | A music player | Dec 23 15:59 |
| *gg-away is now known as gargoyle-grin | Dec 23 15:59 | |
| cubezzz | ha, I can tap into anything | Dec 23 15:59 |
| sebsebseb | there was an article about this kind of thing | Dec 23 15:59 |
| kecskebak | Really, really good if you are into Classical Music or like to heavily tag your collection | Dec 23 15:59 |
| sebsebseb | that I read the other day/night | Dec 23 15:59 |
| cubezzz | I spent 5 years reverse engineering one of my scanners, other stuf is relatively easy compared to that | Dec 23 15:59 |
| cubezzz | flash is used to hide stuff | Dec 23 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Wait, Steven?? | Dec 23 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Was it not a review by CHristopher SMart? | Dec 23 16:00 |
| sebsebseb | no | Dec 23 16:00 |
| cubezzz | here is the standard plan: | Dec 23 16:00 |
| sebsebseb | both links I gave were by Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols | Dec 23 16:00 |
| cubezzz | one windows box in the corner captures everything | Dec 23 16:00 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: we don't need RIA | Dec 23 16:00 |
| schestowitz | We need video | Dec 23 16:01 |
| cubezzz | I retrieve the KID | Dec 23 16:01 |
| cubezzz | then I remove all DRM | Dec 23 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Almost all the time RIA is just a front end for video | Dec 23 16:01 |
| schestowitz | We have ogg already | Dec 23 16:01 |
| cubezzz | and finally transfer to Linux box :) | Dec 23 16:01 |
| sebsebseb | RIA??? | Dec 23 16:01 |
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| sebsebseb | anyway "the companies" want you to pay for music and TV shows and so on | Dec 23 16:01 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I remembered wrongly, though it was a Smart article | Dec 23 16:01 |
| cubezzz | did you guys hear that doom9 has figured out bluray for Linux? | Dec 23 16:02 |
| sebsebseb | and if your getting what your meant to pay for illegally, which many are, they aren't happy, and now as a result, anti piracy stuff is coming | Dec 23 16:02 |
| cubezzz | sebsebseb: I pay for content, but I remove the DRM | Dec 23 16:02 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Rich Internet applications (RIAs | Dec 23 16:02 |
| schestowitz | PR=Propaganda | Dec 23 16:02 |
| cubezzz | stuff like tennis videos | Dec 23 16:02 |
| schestowitz | The new name is "public relations" after WW2 | Dec 23 16:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well web 2.0 stuff can be done in ajax and what not :) | Dec 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Basic things | Dec 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Makign content is harder | Dec 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | needs tools | Dec 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Like Adobe's | Dec 23 16:03 |
| sebsebseb | as for video, well Flash video isn't a good thing, HTML 5 with it's <video> tag that's a good idea, but not all browsers supporting that yet | Dec 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to use Eclipse to pretend XAML has s/t to do w/ open source | Dec 23 16:03 |
| kecskebak | Competing with FLEX | Dec 23 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Earlier I saw someone pointing to a BN video by just embedding flash | Dec 23 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Then some FSF supporter asked for the ogg | Dec 23 16:04 |
| schestowitz | But they didn't link to the ogg, which is the whole reason I post these videos, making them accessible to FS supporters | Dec 23 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Bad name... http://www.benkevan.com/blog/blogilo-the-blog-gigolo-kde-4-4/ | Dec 23 16:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blogilo The Blog Gigolo KDE 4.4 | Ben Kevan's Blog .::. Size~: 55.39 KB | Dec 23 16:05 |
| cubezzz | you can run around flash though | Dec 23 16:05 |
| kecskebak | The thing I used to like doing in Flash was animation | Dec 23 16:05 |
| kecskebak | I wish there was a good 2D animation tool for GNU/Linux | Dec 23 16:06 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: there is | Dec 23 16:06 |
| sebsebseb | Synfig | Dec 23 16:06 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I have contact with one of the lead developers online | Dec 23 16:06 |
| sebsebseb | I think he still does it, fixes bugs and so on | Dec 23 16:06 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: for Web stuff it's not often required | Dec 23 16:06 |
| sebsebseb | some Russian movie making company was going to use Synfig, but that didn't happen | Dec 23 16:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Did #KDE / #Qt add that nice polished metal look in 4.4? http://ur1.ca/ifnf Was it always like this? | Dec 23 16:06 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Blogilo The Blog Gigolo KDE 4.4 | Ben Kevan's Blog .::. Size~: 55.39 KB | Dec 23 16:06 |
| kecskebak | Synfig is deficient in a few areas, sadly | Dec 23 16:06 |
| kecskebak | Audio is a big problem | Dec 23 16:06 |
| kecskebak | Normally when you're animating you want to sync to music and voice cues | Dec 23 16:07 |
| schestowitz | <audio> | Dec 23 16:07 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: well I could put you in contact with the guy I was on about, and he would probably listen to you | Dec 23 16:07 |
| kecskebak | No - in synfig, not HTML5 | Dec 23 16:07 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: the Web is not a gaming platform | Dec 23 16:07 |
| kecskebak | No - I used to animate in Flash and export as video | Dec 23 16:07 |
| kecskebak | No web involved! | Dec 23 16:07 |
| kecskebak | Used to do stuff for DVDs or broadcast television | Dec 23 16:08 |
| cubezzz | gopher, wais, ftp :) | Dec 23 16:08 |
| cubezzz | anyway, no one listens to me | Dec 23 16:08 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 23 16:08 |
| Omar87 | http://www.vivapalestina.org/alerts/jordan_231209.htm | Dec 23 16:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Convoy in Jordan to Grand Welcom .::. Size~: 12.89 KB | Dec 23 16:08 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: oh synfig doesn't do audio, according to the guy | Dec 23 16:09 |
| kecskebak | No - that's a real blocker when you have to make a little character talk | Dec 23 16:09 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: well he just told me why no audio as well | Dec 23 16:09 |
| kecskebak | fmod library | Dec 23 16:10 |
| kecskebak | Not free software | Dec 23 16:10 |
| sebsebseb | it's because nobody wrote code to makeing it do audio using free libraries, however he thinks there was some code that would make it do audio at some time, but it relyed on non-free libraries. | Dec 23 16:11 |
| kecskebak | Yes, it was fmod. It's such a shame | Dec 23 16:11 |
| kecskebak | And animation in Inkscape seems a long way off | Dec 23 16:12 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: you can make the sound track in a differnet program, and mix it in after | Dec 23 16:13 |
| kecskebak | Yes, but it's a real pain. It's like typing your program in on a punched tape machine and feeding it in afterwards | Dec 23 16:14 |
| kecskebak | What it means is you have to be more orgainized and write a cue sheet from the audio in advance | Dec 23 16:14 |
| kecskebak | If you're a real animator who worked with cels that's second nature, but I was spoilt and have always used Flash | Dec 23 16:15 |
| kecskebak | It's certainly do-able, if you know what you want. Lip-synching would be a particular pain in the neck if you have to do it in advance. | Dec 23 16:16 |
| kecskebak | You know sebsebseb I think I'll have another go with synfig | Dec 23 16:18 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: want to talk to the guy maybe? | Dec 23 16:18 |
| kecskebak | That's OK - I'll play with it and talk to him if I get stuck | Dec 23 16:19 |
| sebsebseb | there's something in synfig for lipsyncing according to him, and you can check the wiki or the forums | Dec 23 16:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] 2 yr degree? yet more "teach the exam and punt them out the door with a piece of worthless paper" | Dec 23 16:21 | |
| kecskebak | http://www.lostmarble.com/papagayo/index.shtml Here's the lip synch thing! | Dec 23 16:22 |
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| kecskebak | Looks like problem solved | Dec 23 16:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The truth about #Microsoft icons http://www.ralentz.com/old/mac/humor/april-fools/evil-microsoft-icons.html | Dec 23 16:23 | |
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| sebsebseb | ok that's what people use according to him, and there's something in synfig to import files from papagayo | Dec 23 16:25 |
| sebsebseb | he also told me he doesn't develope it anymore, but of course he will still know about it etc | Dec 23 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: | Dec 23 16:26 |
| kecskebak | Thanks for your help sebsebseb | Dec 23 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: np that's what I was going to put last time as well, but then I didn't | Dec 23 16:29 |
| cubezzz | 1994? | Dec 23 16:30 |
| cubezzz | that web page is pretty old :) | Dec 23 16:30 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: which the synfig one? | Dec 23 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | not been on that | Dec 23 16:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/12/hail_and_farewe_1.html;jsessionid=1XTRDHA21QGYDQE1GHOSKH4ATMY32JVN | Dec 23 16:39 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: well I didn't understand about that synfig stuff, I was telling you about, since I don't use it myself | Dec 23 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | Did anyone migrate to WordPress 2.9? trmanco maybe? | Dec 23 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it's better to upgrade when 2.9.1 and there is a real push for it | Dec 23 16:44 |
| kecskebak | sebsebseb: I tried it, but gave up due to the lack of audio support and the fact it was a bit flaky in Ubuntu. I'll persevere with it a bit more. | Dec 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Bascially, sooner or later there *will* be 2.9.1 and it's better to upgrade once rathr than twice | Dec 23 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: well Ubuntu will have an older version | Dec 23 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | in the repo | Dec 23 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | not the latest | Dec 23 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | Synfig is the kind of program as far as I know, where really you want the latest version | Dec 23 16:45 |
| kecskebak | No, I had to compile it to get it to work | Dec 23 16:45 |
| kecskebak | The Ubuntu version didn't work at that time | Dec 23 16:46 |
| kecskebak | The Ubuntu and Debian .debs were broken for quite some time - nearly 18 months IIRC | Dec 23 16:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Overheard someone on phone talking friend through formatting/erasing USB stick using DOS commands format and del. | Dec 23 16:50 | |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: oh he thinks the latest won't realy be any more stable, and that not many fixes have been done recently, yeah probably not if he's not doing it anymore | Dec 23 16:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] ..and people tell me Linux is all about command lines.. :) | Dec 23 16:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Just in time: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142616/RIA_development_framework_Qooxdoo_debuts?taxonomyId=11 | Dec 23 16:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey] because advanced users choose it | Dec 23 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/185352/hackers_hit_openx_ad_server_in_adobe_attack.html | Dec 23 17:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hackers Hit OpenX Ad Server in Adobe Attack - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 63.78 KB | Dec 23 17:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Microsoft Word recalled due to contamination http://newstechnica.com/?p=932 | Dec 23 17:05 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Word recalled due to contamination | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.28 KB | Dec 23 17:05 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Prentice has been an analyst with Gartner for more than five years. Prior to becoming an analyst, he worked in the IT vendor community for 17 years. This included organizations such as Apple Computer, WordPerfect, Novell, Lotus, IBM, Microsoft and Onyx Software." | Dec 23 17:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.globalentrepolis.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=174&Itemid=162 | Dec 23 17:08 |
| schestowitz | He spreads a lot of FUD | Dec 23 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Incorrect stuff | Dec 23 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Like here: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/153422/microsoft_not_against_open_source.html | Dec 23 17:08 |
| schestowitz | He was recently behind ODF lies. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=Brian+Prentice+microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Dec 23 17:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Like here: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/153422/microsoft_not_against_open_source.html | Dec 23 17:09 |
| phIRCe-local | He was recently behind ODF lies. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=Brian+Prentice+microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Dec 23 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm the bot put in what you put | Dec 23 17:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Reminds me 10+ years ago in a bar.Guy said "Linux wont take off because of the obscure params like 'rm -r'".I pointed out "right click, del" | Dec 23 17:13 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yeah, bug. | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | On StarDate 23/12/09 15:47. Translated to English it stated: | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | >> It's a shitty job to have. | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > Not really, it's like the CTO at any large organization, hired on | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > precicely cause he knows nothing about computer security. Will spend | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > his time writing up glossy reports and attending conferences. Remember | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > when CERT used to do the job adequatly, before HomeLA~1 decided they | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > could do it better :) | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > a real security organization .. | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERT_Coordination_Center | Dec 23 17:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CERT Coordination Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 19.36 KB | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > A bunch of fucking time serving bureaucrats .. :) | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Cyber_Security_Division | Dec 23 17:15 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Language! :D | Dec 23 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Not mine | Dec 23 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm quoting an E-mail | Dec 23 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Dec 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | it's about Obama choosing that MSFT dude | Dec 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I said "It's a shitty job to have." | Dec 23 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Which it is... nobody wants head of DHS it seems | Dec 23 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no the f word | Dec 23 17:18 |
| schestowitz | They keep quitting, it's a lost cause | Dec 23 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | plus I am half joking here or whatever, since it's your channel etc | Dec 23 17:18 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: not mine | Dec 23 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Reader of BN. | Dec 23 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | there isn't a no swering rule for the channel | Dec 23 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It's not my channel | Dec 23 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It's freenode's | Dec 23 17:19 |
| schestowitz | We're all here as a group | Dec 23 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | ok, but you started the channel on Freenode? | Dec 23 17:19 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Diablo-D3 broke those rules a long time ago | Dec 23 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | which ruleE? | Dec 23 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | right ok uh nevermind | Dec 23 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | let's move on I guess | Dec 23 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: i'll read that article you gave me earlier | Dec 23 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu one | Dec 23 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | karmic is bad one or whatever it was | Dec 23 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh December 23rd that's quite recent then | Dec 23 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: his DSL woudn't work I guess he meant ethernet? that's what happended in the other computer with 8.10, it woudn't work | Dec 23 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | our ethernet | Dec 23 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | only thing with a lot of these negative articles is I guess how a lot of these people don't reolize that the non Long Term Releases are basicalley testing releases of some sort | Dec 23 17:29 |
| kecskebak | I'd be really interested in a GNOME rolling release distro | Dec 23 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: you mean with the latest updates? | Dec 23 17:32 |
| kecskebak | Yes | Dec 23 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Dec 23 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | foresight Linux | Dec 23 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | try that | Dec 23 17:33 |
| kecskebak | Oh, interesting | Dec 23 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: it's got notify-osd last time I tried it though, and someone else | Dec 23 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | that's not part of upstream Gnome, also that other person really does not like notify-osd | Dec 23 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | I only virtual machined, but as far as I know he put it on real hardware | Dec 23 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | quite sad really etc, but someone is on Windows right now, because they keep on distro hopping, and then aren't happy | Dec 23 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: Gnome 3 this September, you know that right? | Dec 23 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | [12:13:11] <schestowitz> sebsebseb: Diablo-D3 broke those rules a long time ago | Dec 23 17:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | what rules? | Dec 23 17:40 |
| kecskebak | sebsebseb: Yes, GNOME Shell, which personally I think looks like a great idea | Dec 23 17:40 |
| kecskebak | Won't suit everyone though | Dec 23 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: that reminds me I need to see videos, or try it in a Lucid virtual machine, or Mandiva some how | Dec 23 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want to virtual machine Karmic for the ppa | Dec 23 17:41 |
| kecskebak | Fedora 12 has a demo of GNOME Shell IIRC | Dec 23 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | I had a vm of Fedora 12, I guess it's still there, but in that case I can't log in to it anymore since passwords forgotton or whatever | Dec 23 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | yeah | Dec 23 17:42 |
| kecskebak | Have to go now - been great to chat today | Dec 23 17:44 |
| kecskebak | And Merry Christmas! | Dec 23 17:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz sounds like dell are handling it reasonably. Li batteries are like that. see pic: http://is.gd/5yXnY | Dec 23 17:57 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft promises to play nice this time | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.58 KB | Dec 23 17:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I just had a bizarre urge to listen to "Donald, where's yer troosers" on youtube, the Andy Stewart version is great lol | Dec 23 18:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz "public domain" has meanings other than the technical (c) one. linux is certainly "in public domain" in other usages | Dec 23 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2541736281918823479#docid=-5524526231174165759 "THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS — Michel Chossudovsky Jan 2009, Montreal" Interesting | Dec 23 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. | Dec 23 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Weird URL structure. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5524526231174165759# | Dec 23 18:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: THE GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS — Michel Chossudovsky Jan 2009, Montreal .::. Size~: 37.43 KB | Dec 23 18:16 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] WTO: China violates int'l trade law by limiting media imports - Hypocrisy hard at work http://tinyurl.com/ybztk5m | Dec 23 18:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard it shows who 'runs' WTO | Dec 23 18:36 | |
| trmanco | yes I've upgraded to 2.9 schestowitz | Dec 23 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Any people reporting issues? | Dec 23 18:50 |
| schestowitz | All plugins compatible? | Dec 23 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I haven't googled it | Dec 23 18:50 |
| trmanco | no problems | Dec 23 18:56 |
| trmanco | yet | Dec 23 18:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Staging for 2.6.33 Explained in Detail http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/staging-status-12-2009.html | Dec 23 19:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Coverage from Australian #Linux #Conference Starts Already http://ur1.ca/ig0d http://ur1.ca/ig0e | Dec 23 19:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CAD Application Company: #GNU #Linux Users Often Outnumber Windows http://ur1.ca/ig0k | Dec 23 19:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Slated to Launch Free as in Freedom #GNU #Linux Distribution http://slated.org/the_straw_that_broke_the_penguins_hat | Dec 23 19:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Sees Growth in #GNU #Linux Demand http://ur1.ca/ig0n http://ur1.ca/ig0o | Dec 23 19:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Strives to be Another #RedHat http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10418223-16.html | Dec 23 19:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $75 Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Claimed on Their Way http://ur1.ca/ig1o | Dec 23 19:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OLPC teases $75 tablet features, images [U] | Electronista .::. Size~: 67.55 KB | Dec 23 19:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IHTSDO Workbench to be Liberated http://linuxmednews.com/1261512264 | Dec 23 19:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs of More #FreeSoftware in Democracy (E-Voting in #Ghana ) http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=173843 | Dec 23 19:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #RIA Software (with #JavaScript ) Debuts http://ur1.ca/ig1z | Dec 23 19:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL Looks Ahead at Version 6 http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6938/1/ | Dec 23 19:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Programming Education Should be Focused on Right Tools http://ur1.ca/ig3d | Dec 23 20:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Civil Right of Free of Speech Defended in #Canada http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4638/125/ | Dec 23 20:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Demise and Rise of #GNU #Linux Backed by Evidence http://whatwillweuse.com/2009/12/23/more-fud-please/ | Dec 23 20:07 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon #DRM Cracked, as Expected http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/23/amazon_kindle_hacked/ | Dec 23 20:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Insult Voices of Reason http://techdirt.com/articles/20091222/0310397462.shtml | Dec 23 20:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Makes a Mockery of the #USPTO http://techdirt.com/articles/20091216/1806457391.shtml #patent #failure | Dec 23 20:15 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Great news!: [H]omer of Slated.org to release truly Free GNU/Linux distribution, based on Fedora 12: http://tinyurl.com/yfc9ge7 | Dec 23 20:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.trendmicro.com/1h-2009-malware-threat-grows-ever-larger/ | Dec 23 20:26 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Absolutely useless CUDA compiler with a x86 target, uses #LLVM. Please use #OpenCL. http://ur1.ca/ig6n #douchebags #nvidia | Dec 23 21:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One in Two #Windows PCs is a #Zombie PC (Part of #Botnets ) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/23/loss-of-control-of-windows-pcs/ | Dec 23 21:17 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab_: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/us-patent-office-tightens-the-screws-on-software-patents.ars | Dec 23 21:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Quite possibly the worst podcast ever.. "Stuff They Don't Want You To Know" from How Stuff Works. What imbecile comissioned this drivel? #fb | Dec 23 21:28 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: "Support Mozilla and Linux browsers" from you to me on Twitter..... eh? | Dec 23 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah | Dec 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | No Chrom* | Dec 23 21:40 |
| _goblin | ah | Dec 23 21:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Its typical. I praise Chromium then end up filing a bug report. New build out (.280) Hopefully issue will be resolved shortly. | Dec 23 21:43 | |
| _goblin | why? | Dec 23 21:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got the best joke xmas present for the wife. A Cliff Richard 2010 calender! she can't stand Cliff...the calendar is so cheesy!!! great stuff | Dec 23 21:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] You can't beat this for cheese! This has to be the funniest calender ever! http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/cliff-10-b-cal-dan.jpg | Dec 23 21:51 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: Google makes it proprietary | Dec 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It admits this | Dec 23 21:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Something something something pounding sodomy. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/24491.html http://is.gd/5zabB | Dec 23 21:54 | |
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| schestowitz | That it is not Free software | Dec 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Look at Android | Dec 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Look at Chrome | Dec 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not really FOSS | Dec 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It's semi- so | Dec 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | But Android includes Linux, which is... well, Linux | Dec 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Support Mozilla | Dec 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Promote Konqueror | Dec 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And so on | Dec 23 21:55 |
| _goblin | But Chromium is just so damn quick..... | Dec 23 21:56 |
| _goblin | and since I advocate software on the basis of functionality and performance I would be double standards at best to not support it....Having said that Ive just reported a rather cripling bug in regards to re-sizing..... | Dec 23 21:57 |
| _goblin | so I may be back to FF for a while! | Dec 23 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Chrome also gives low priority to Linux | Dec 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Gr........ stupid SPAMMERS from China....... hammering one site of mine | Dec 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Like they have some process hammering on it several times per minute | Dec 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And they use Windows botnets, so I can't get rid of it | Dec 23 22:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Moonlight “Promise” Full of Holes http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/23/analysis-moonlight-covenant/ #trojan #mono | Dec 23 22:11 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567016/the-bbc-iplayer-wasted-top-gear | Dec 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: what source/s do you rely on for UK news? We had a discussion about it in the afternoon. | Dec 23 22:13 |
| _goblin | youre going to love this.... | Dec 23 22:13 |
| _goblin | Dec 23 22:13 | |
| _goblin | Sun | Dec 23 22:13 |
| _goblin | Star | Dec 23 22:13 |
| _goblin | and via RSS | Dec 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/12/22/judge_dismisses_suit_against_apple_over_g5_imac_display_issues.html | Dec 23 22:13 |
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| _goblin | Google sci/tech news RSS | Dec 23 22:14 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah, I 'love' this... | Dec 23 22:14 |
| _goblin | A mixture of sleeze, trash and rubbish! | Dec 23 22:14 |
| _goblin | I do think Google does a good job of aggregating news sources though. | Dec 23 22:15 |
| _goblin | and TV wise, Sky news | Dec 23 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: it's not hard | Dec 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | They rely on server power | Dec 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | They combined their indexing with real-time stuff | Dec 23 22:20 |
| schestowitz | They basically don't need to throw extra resources at News, they just need to use timestamps | Dec 23 22:20 |
| _goblin | I meant to ask, is my RSS working ok for you now? | Dec 23 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Which is odd, I'm not used to it | Dec 23 22:23 |
| schestowitz | RMS's feed is the same and Microsoft-Watch also | Dec 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Nothing shows up and then one day BAM! 10 new ones or more | Dec 23 22:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/12/22/washington-post-sits-on-eyewitness-account/ | Dec 23 22:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: WaPo Sits on Eyewitness Account on Snowball Gun Incident - City Desk - Washington City Paper .::. Size~: 95.89 KB | Dec 23 22:28 |
| _goblin | Ive had duplicate entries sometimes from some of my RSS feeds. | Dec 23 22:29 |
| _goblin | heres the quote of the day for everyone: | Dec 23 22:51 |
| _goblin | "I am really disturbed by the i4i ruling, they basically worked the US judicial system to their advantage and hit the lottery." | Dec 23 22:51 |
| _goblin | answers on a postcard who posted that....... | Dec 23 22:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows Mobile 7 due in late 2010, too late? according to a poll by Neowin majority say YES! #microsoft #windows #winmob #xp #vista #fail | Dec 23 22:58 | |
| cubezzz | so i4i won? | Dec 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it seems so. It won before. | Dec 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft appealed, then lost | Dec 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Now it complies with orders | Dec 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Smith? | Dec 23 23:10 |
| _goblin | nope! | Dec 23 23:11 |
| _goblin | its our friend..... | Dec 23 23:11 |
| _goblin | Andre Da Costa | Dec 23 23:11 |
| _goblin | or | Dec 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* WInMob? Stick a fork in it. | Dec 23 23:11 |
| _goblin | Da Co$ta | Dec 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I call it Vista Mobile 7 | Dec 23 23:11 |
| _goblin | I would use stronger wordage than that. | Dec 23 23:11 |
| _goblin | I used 6 | Dec 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | 666? | Dec 23 23:12 |
| _goblin | might as well have been | Dec 23 23:12 |
| _goblin | it certainly was hell | Dec 23 23:12 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.communities.gov.uk/publications/corporate/ordnancesurveyconsultation | Dec 23 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: Dell? | Dec 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Or Hell? | Dec 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I remember iPaq.. was impressive in its days but havy | Dec 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hbs.edu/research/pdf/09-132.pdf | Dec 23 23:18 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: have a look | Dec 23 23:18 |
| schestowitz | A sticking point for you, re copyright | Dec 23 23:19 |
| _goblin | looking.... | Dec 23 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/20/opinion/20rich.html?_r=2 ... what did he do anyway? Hit some balls? | Dec 23 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | "AS we say farewell to a dreadful year and decade, this much we can agree upon: The person of the year is not Ben Bernanke, no matter how insistently Time magazine tries to hype him into its pantheon." | Dec 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Still glamorising banksters, thinking people will be stupid enough | Dec 23 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20091221_1.htm | Dec 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of US propaganda about Chinese pollution | Dec 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | They try to distract from real issues | Dec 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | My dad says he saw it on NBC (GE) | Dec 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | They obviously want to daemonise China with "pollution", cases by Western factories that manufacture all the stuff | Dec 23 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/chinas-climate-stonewall/story-e6frg6z6-1225812228240 | Dec 23 23:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Chromium build 4.0.280.0 still has issue 31038, if you have an earlier build and no issues, Id say stick with it until bug is resolved. | Dec 23 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://simonwillison.net/2009/Dec/20/crowdsourcing/ | Dec 23 23:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/23/yahoo-reportedly-shutting-down-mybloglog-very-soon | Dec 23 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Yahoo May Shut Down MyBlogLog Soon | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.64 KB | Dec 23 23:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody China's climate stonewall - http://bit.ly/62DeAR excellent analysis of what happened and why #cop09 #china | Dec 23 23:33 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: China's climate stonewall | The Australian .::. Size~: 59.18 KB | Dec 23 23:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Saw Avatar. What a load of rubbish IMO. Gimmicky, covert-eco message claptrap. 14 years to make? It certainly felt like 14 years to watch. | Dec 23 23:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Only good thing about going to see it was gorging on cinema popcorn of which I am addicted to. | Dec 23 23:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If we'd had twitter in the 1990s - tweet from the command line! http://www.floodgap.com/software/ttytter/ HT @spwhitton | Dec 23 23:54 | |
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