IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 29th, 2009

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MinceR	even hw you don't research tends to work	Dec 29 00:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Contributions to #FreeSoftware Noted and Celebrated http://ur1.ca/inl2 http://ur1.ca/imbb		Dec 29 00:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Dictatorship Pushed Using Lies and Spin http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/12/acta-as-fools-gold-standard.html #whitecollarcrime		Dec 29 00:02
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cubezzz	Mincer, I compiled some of my own modules	Dec 29 00:03
cubezzz	bttv	Dec 29 00:03
MinceR	i compiled one, for a usb host-to-host cable (plusb, with a USB ID added)	Dec 29 00:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK Taxpayers to ~$800,000,000 for #MAFIAA to Eavesdrop on Themselves http://ur1.ca/inl4		Dec 29 00:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware a Long-term Investment, #Education Tool http://ur1.ca/inl7 http://ur1.ca/inl8		Dec 29 00:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What is it with torches in movies...why do they only ever light up a tiny area...? #dayofthetriffids #movies #torches		Dec 29 00:06
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phIRCe-local	Title: A little know but very powerful tool for homeschooling: Free Software \| Stop! .::. Size~: 14.03 KB	Dec 29 00:07
cubezzz	would that be the usbnet module?	Dec 29 00:07
MinceR	no, it's the plusb module	Dec 29 00:07
cubezzz	oh, ok	Dec 29 00:07
MinceR	(the brand of the chip is Prolific, iirc)	Dec 29 00:07
MinceR	(the cable itself is noname)	Dec 29 00:07
cubezzz	ah, I have the source for it	Dec 29 00:08
cubezzz	never used it though	Dec 29 00:08
MinceR	it's in the kernel source, it just needed the IDs to be added	Dec 29 00:09
cubezzz	yeah it's nice to have source code for things	Dec 29 00:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Against Monopoly" Web Site on Objectivists and #IntellectualMonopolies Demise http://ur1.ca/inln		Dec 29 00:19
phIRCe-local	Title: Against Monopoly .::. Size~: 46.56 KB	Dec 29 00:20
schestowitz	[00:01] <MinceR> even hw you don't research tends to work	Dec 29 00:20
schestowitz	Works here, at work too. Maybe it takes effort to pick the wrong h/w	Dec 29 00:21
schestowitz	http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1438232/Happy-Birthday-Linus	Dec 29 00:23
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schestowitz	Since coming back to /, this morning it has not been annoying	Dec 29 00:23
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I need your help	Dec 29 00:31
schestowitz	What string does Visible Technologies leave in logs?	Dec 29 00:32
schestowitz	Earlier today when the server was hammered and I tailed it I saw;	Dec 29 00:32
schestowitz	142.166.170.103 - - [28/Dec/2009:07:22:56 -0800] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1" 200 50 "-" "R6_CommentReader(www.radian6.com/crawler)"	Dec 29 00:32
schestowitz	But I don't think Microsoft hires Radian6 scum	Dec 29 00:32
cubezzz	there's osst and st and both say they are "SCSI Tape Driver for Linux"	Dec 29 00:35
cubezzz	Radian6 scum? What is that? :)	Dec 29 00:35
MinceR	astroturfing company, like visible technologies?	Dec 29 00:36
cubezzz	ah, I see, osst seems like an older st	Dec 29 00:38
cubezzz	pretty sure I don't need those	Dec 29 00:38
_goblin_	Sorry for only lurking...got distracted with Day of the triffids on iplayer....speak to you all later...bye!	Dec 29 00:40
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: Radian6 is usually Comcast	Dec 29 00:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out Amicus_curious over on my comments section they may now understand the term "troll" http://tinyurl.com/ybmj5mq #microsoft #windows		Dec 29 00:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thats me done for tonight. For those of you lucky enough to be able to view BBC iplayer check out Day of the Triffids #dayofthetriffids		Dec 29 00:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Defaming Boycott Novell Using Lies, Forgeries http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/28/lies-and-forgeries/		Dec 29 01:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One last post before I WILL go.. http://tinyurl.com/ybzebe5 Someones interested in my work #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #7 #windows7 #foss		Dec 29 01:14
phIRCe-local	Title: Defaming Boycott Novell Using Lies, Forgeries \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.55 KB	Dec 29 01:15
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cubezzz	ok, this is significant:	Dec 29 01:21
cubezzz	That's only partly true. In '94 BSD was even or ahead of Linux in terms of features. The reason Linux ended up "the winner" is because there was a stark difference between the two communities in welcoming newbies into the fold. #unix was the place to go on IRC for abuse. In stark contrast, the folks on #linux were very patient and helpful.	Dec 29 01:21
cubezzz	now I actually received some abuse from #linux and got help in #linuxhelp	Dec 29 01:21
MinceR	i've found *bsd fans to be very obnoxious	Dec 29 01:22
MinceR	perhaps that's what led to their downfall	Dec 29 01:22
MinceR	...or many developers really didn't want m$, crApple and the like to rip off their work	Dec 29 01:23
cubezzz	before IRC existed I found unix guys too be very unfriendly	Dec 29 01:23
cubezzz	to	Dec 29 01:23
MinceR	i'm not sure if i even knew unix existed before i used irc	Dec 29 01:23
Ender2070	every bsd fan insults pulseaudio for instance	Dec 29 01:24
MinceR	even i insult pulseaudio from time to time, even though i'm no bsd fan	Dec 29 01:24
MinceR	:>	Dec 29 01:24
cubezzz	same here	Dec 29 01:24
cubezzz	I was talking about general unfriendliness	Dec 29 01:24
Ender2070	they support OSS and even insult alsa though	Dec 29 01:24
cubezzz	I try to be nice :)	Dec 29 01:25
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MinceR	oss supporters tend to forget the weaknesses of oss	Dec 29 01:25
Ender2070	probably bitter that they stole all the sound developers with GPL alsa	Dec 29 01:25
MinceR	such as no midi support and no multichannel audio support	Dec 29 01:25
MinceR	or maybe they simply think that the architecture is perfect as it is and can no longer be improved	Dec 29 01:26
Ender2070	lol	Dec 29 01:26
Ender2070	+1	Dec 29 01:26
cubezzz	embedix uses oss, so I still use oss	Dec 29 01:26
Ender2070	everything *BSD does is perfect	Dec 29 01:26
cubezzz	right :)	Dec 29 01:26
Ender2070	they don't add new features because they plan to add them :)	Dec 29 01:26
Ender2070	hence more stable, since it doesn't support any hardware	Dec 29 01:27
cubezzz	I'm not anti-BSD by any means	Dec 29 01:27
Ender2070	less drivers to worry about, less crashing	Dec 29 01:27
cubezzz	after all, Stallman needed BSD	Dec 29 01:27
Ender2070	hardly	Dec 29 01:28
MinceR	i'm not anti-bsd, i'm anti-bsd-community	Dec 29 01:28
Ender2070	I know, I jest	Dec 29 01:28
cubezzz	commercial BSD derivatives and the BSD networking stack ending up in Windows 95 put off some developers - who wants to see their work being co-opted by Microsoft and other corporations in closed source products?	Dec 29 01:28
Ender2070	the lawsuit with AT&T also scared people off	Dec 29 01:29
MinceR	i think *BSDs are useful to have around even if they're inferior to GNU/Linux	Dec 29 01:29
MinceR	more choices, more diversity, etc.	Dec 29 01:29
Ender2070	http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html	Dec 29 01:29
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Ender2070	actually I like OpenBSD	Dec 29 01:30
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cubezzz	anyone can use BSD code and I do :)	Dec 29 01:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Cameron denies claims of Tory similarities to conservatives http://newstechnica.com/?p=1000 (ONE THOUSAND!)		Dec 29 01:32
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cubezzz	I'd love to see the current Microsoft memos	Dec 29 01:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Moonlight Covenant Claimed Worse Than the Old One, More Holes Found http://ur1.ca/inop		Dec 29 01:34
cubezzz	"Iceberg Ahead!!" ;-)	Dec 29 01:35
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schestowitz	Ender2070: there?	Dec 29 01:38
schestowitz	I see the discussion as it developer	Dec 29 01:39
schestowitz	It made Linux Today too	Dec 29 01:39
schestowitz	And....:	Dec 29 01:39
schestowitz	I see the Net App lies coming up	Dec 29 01:39
schestowitz	I have many posts to counter this Big Lie.	Dec 29 01:39
schestowitz	I should do a Wiki page on it. Hold on....	Dec 29 01:39
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Ender2070	hi	Dec 29 01:41
Ender2070	oh nice	Dec 29 01:42
MinceR	what's the last line from me that you saw?	Dec 29 01:42
Ender2070	[20:22] <MinceR> more choices, more diversity, etc.	Dec 29 01:43
Ender2070	[20:22] <Ender2070> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html	Dec 29 01:43
phIRCe-local	Title: Why Copyleft? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 9.1 KB	Dec 29 01:43
Ender2070	[20:22] <phIRCe-local> Title: Why Copyleft? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 9.1 KB	Dec 29 01:43
Ender2070	[20:23] <Ender2070> actually I like OpenBSD	Dec 29 01:43
MinceR	thx	Dec 29 01:43
schestowitz	Ender2070: I'm making a wiki page for you	Dec 29 01:43
Ender2070	schestowitz - thanks	Dec 29 01:43
schestowitz	It would help resolve the issues with one URL	Dec 29 01:43
schestowitz	containing heaps of external links to mainstream press too	Dec 29 01:44
fewa_	cubezzz, the cathedral and the bazarr	Dec 29 01:45
cubezzz	schestowitz, those fake comments look like total junk	Dec 29 01:46
fewa_	also, BSD license could not overcome MSFT	Dec 29 01:46
fewa_	Ender2070, BSD still has OSS	Dec 29 01:47
cubezzz	yeah well, I'm basically a GNU/Linux person	Dec 29 01:47
cubezzz	my ISP uses BSD	Dec 29 01:47
fewa_	which is inferior	Dec 29 01:47
fewa_	to pulse or ALSA	Dec 29 01:47
fewa_	BSD has SMP before linux	Dec 29 01:48
fewa_	*had	Dec 29 01:48
fewa_	i think its important to keep them largely compatible	Dec 29 01:49
cubezzz	I'm just pointing out I make use of more than just GNU and Linux	Dec 29 01:49
fewa_	most software working under both	Dec 29 01:49
MinceR	afaik Linux had SMP before *BSD, actually	Dec 29 01:49
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schestowitz	Ender2070: for you: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share	Dec 29 02:00
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schestowitz	cubezzz: forged comments you mean?	Dec 29 02:01
cubezzz	yeah	Dec 29 02:01
schestowitz	Ender2070: BTW, "chris" is one who used to follow eet as yes men	Dec 29 02:01
cubezzz	just utter junk	Dec 29 02:01
schestowitz	*man	Dec 29 02:01
schestowitz	But there are many chrises	Dec 29 02:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brandon had me do this summary of posts about GNU/Linux market share: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share		Dec 29 02:02
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tessier	fewa_: BSD had SMP before Linux? Not at all.	Dec 29 02:04
fewa_	oh well whatever	Dec 29 02:04
MinceR	before the netsplit, 024241 < MinceR> afaik Linux had SMP before *BSD, actually	Dec 29 02:04
tessier	fewa_: MP3.com started on FreeBSD. We moved to Linux because we we needed SMP and BSD didn't have it.	Dec 29 02:05
MinceR	:)	Dec 29 02:05
fewa_	schweet	Dec 29 02:05
fewa_	mp3.com was AWESOME	Dec 29 02:05
fewa_	i still remember	Dec 29 02:05
tessier	Yeah, it was. Best gig I ever had.	Dec 29 02:05
MinceR	iirc Linux also had kernel modules before *BSD did.	Dec 29 02:05
fewa_	what happened to all the music?	Dec 29 02:05
tessier	fewa_: Who knows. Probably deleted.	Dec 29 02:05
fewa_	my cousin lost his works	Dec 29 02:05
tessier	TruSonic is still around. The only MP3.com spinoff to survive.	Dec 29 02:06
tessier	Maybe they have it.	Dec 29 02:06
fewa_	killed by the MAFIAA	Dec 29 02:06
tessier	Yep.	Dec 29 02:06
fewa_	cause they were afraid	Dec 29 02:06
fewa_	afraid of people making their own music	Dec 29 02:06
tessier	Now you've got iTunes etc. doing pretty much the same thing as MP3.com did	Dec 29 02:06
fewa_	not quite	Dec 29 02:06
cubezzz	Ballmer said GNU/Linux has more market share that Mac?	Dec 29 02:06
tessier	MP3.com did a lot more, actually	Dec 29 02:07
tessier	And with the music locker service you had to already own the CD.	Dec 29 02:07
tessier	Couldn't buy music new. But that was inevitably the next step.	Dec 29 02:07
fewa_	Justin.tv is more reminiscent of mp3.com to me	Dec 29 02:07
tessier	If licensing could be arranged.	Dec 29 02:07
fewa_	the key item is user-generated	Dec 29 02:07
fewa_	iTunes doesn't have that	Dec 29 02:07
tessier	True	Dec 29 02:08
fewa_	or even myspace	Dec 29 02:08
fewa_	thats more like mp3.com was	Dec 29 02:08
tessier	At some point in time I gave linuxtday.com a treed-linuxtoday@ email address. When I registered or posted to a forum or something.	Dec 29 02:08
tessier	Now I get daily spam to that address. :(	Dec 29 02:08
tessier	If my spamfilter doesn't catch on soon I'll just file mail to that address in the junk folder.	Dec 29 02:09
fewa_	i use differnt emails for that purpose too	Dec 29 02:09
fewa_	to catch the sellers	Dec 29 02:09
MinceR	cubezzz: url?	Dec 29 02:13
Ender2070	schestowitz - thanks again :)	Dec 29 02:13
cubezzz	just a sec	Dec 29 02:15
cubezzz	http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple	Dec 29 02:15
phIRCe-local	Title: Ballmer: Linux Bigger Competitor than Apple .::. Size~: 21.91 KB	Dec 29 02:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz GNU/Linux users in COLA appreciate your great work Roy. Don't let the trolls grind you down. Everybody knows they are frauds.		Dec 29 02:17
cubezzz	the level of discussion seems a bit better on osnews	Dec 29 02:18
cubezzz	and in here of course :)	Dec 29 02:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] All GNU/Linux users in COLA Love you. Keep up the good work!		Dec 29 02:19
cubezzz	Drink COLA	Dec 29 02:20
cubezzz	there's an open source cola too :)	Dec 29 02:20
cubezzz	the actual drink	Dec 29 02:20
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink)	Dec 29 02:21
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cubezzz	Ender2070, it's Canadian too	Dec 29 02:22
schestowitz	[02:06] <cubezzz> Ballmer said GNU/Linux has more market share that Mac?	Dec 29 02:24
schestowitz	His slides say so	Dec 29 02:24
schestowitz	So it required preparation and validation	Dec 29 02:24
schestowitz	He also said verbally that Linux had 60% in servers	Dec 29 02:24
schestowitz	In Sept 2008	Dec 29 02:24
cubezzz	yes, I'm just surprised he admitted it	Dec 29 02:24
schestowitz	I remember the date cause I was on vacation and couldn't wait to write about it	Dec 29 02:24
cubezzz	Linux market share should be higher than 1%	Dec 29 02:25
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cubezzz	that's the number people seem to throw out... 1%	Dec 29 02:26
cubezzz	just seems wrong to me	Dec 29 02:26
schestowitz	Like 4% on netbooks	Dec 29 02:26
schestowitz	Real number is about 40%	Dec 29 02:26
schestowitz	32% says ABI	Dec 29 02:26
schestowitz	An order of magnitude off	Dec 29 02:26
sebsebseb	ABI?	Dec 29 02:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst thanks, buddy		Dec 29 02:26
schestowitz	If Microsoft said Ballmer is bald, be suspicious	Dec 29 02:27
sebsebseb	well Desktop Linux market share can't be measured properly, but it's probably about the same as OS X really	Dec 29 02:27
cubezzz	heh	Dec 29 02:27
sebsebseb	and yes they like to say it has less than 1% or 1%	Dec 29 02:27
schestowitz	sebsebseb: the developing world balances it	Dec 29 02:27
schestowitz	Apple is a misnomer and no-namer in most countries	Dec 29 02:27
sebsebseb	Apple make money and a lot of it	Dec 29 02:27
sebsebseb	so can't be bothered to compete properly against Microsoft	Dec 29 02:28
schestowitz	I still try to explain this to some friends at the club I go to. Here in Britain many can afford Macs	Dec 29 02:28
schestowitz	We live in an insular culture	Dec 29 02:28
schestowitz	People often forget the world that's around them, naturally	Dec 29 02:28
cubezzz	lgp is in the UK	Dec 29 02:28
sebsebseb	what's that?	Dec 29 02:28
schestowitz	There's this song, "we are the world"	Dec 29 02:28
schestowitz	Richie and Jackson	Dec 29 02:28
cubezzz	Linux Game Publishing	Dec 29 02:28
schestowitz	It can be misued	Dec 29 02:29
sebsebseb	what annoys me now days about Desktop Linux is "sound"	Dec 29 02:29
schestowitz	To say, 'we, this nation, is the "world"'	Dec 29 02:29
sebsebseb	I used to have no problem at all, except sound maybe being muted in Ubuntu	Dec 29 02:29
sebsebseb	,but now	Dec 29 02:29
sebsebseb	if I load up a vm, that's with Ubuntu 9.10 or Mandriva One 2010, I lose sound on the host :(	Dec 29 02:29
cubezzz	Americans do that too, their "World Series" is all American with one team from Canada :)	Dec 29 02:29
schestowitz	Ubuntu f*s up pulseaudio	Dec 29 02:29
schestowitz	The pluseaudio dev is furious about it	Dec 29 02:29
schestowitz	They give it a bad rap	Dec 29 02:29
sebsebseb	also I am not sure yet if any vm's will work with sound on Mandriva	Dec 29 02:30
schestowitz	He blogged about it and the press covered his rant (the AUssie guy, can't recall his name... oh, hmmm... Gedda, Rodney)	Dec 29 02:30
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sebsebseb	sound should just work	Dec 29 02:30
cubezzz	UK seems to use Linux more than Canada though	Dec 29 02:30
sebsebseb	I shoudn't need to configure it at all	Dec 29 02:30
cubezzz	we are too close to MicrosoftLand (TM)	Dec 29 02:30
sebsebseb	cubezzz: no	Dec 29 02:30
sebsebseb	UK is majorly locked into Microsoft	Dec 29 02:31
schestowitz	In the UK, 3% of laptops are sold with Linux	Dec 29 02:31
schestowitz	Much higher for netbooks	Dec 29 02:31
cubezzz	sebsebseb, Roy said he can find Linux netbooks in the stores	Dec 29 02:31
cubezzz	I can't in Canada unfortunately	Dec 29 02:31
schestowitz	Mine was bought without OS fromm Novatech (the main box at home)	Dec 29 02:31
schestowitz	Try in Germany	Dec 29 02:31
schestowitz	40% are with Linux	Dec 29 02:32
schestowitz	At least last year	Dec 29 02:32
Ender2070	cubezzz www.canadacomputers.com has a limited few	Dec 29 02:32
sebsebseb	something about Iran going Desktop Linux, or whatever that was earlier, when I joined?	Dec 29 02:32
cubezzz	Ender2070, yes I see that, thanks	Dec 29 02:35
cubezzz	they got some refurb acer's for about $200	Dec 29 02:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cringely: #Microsoft Deserves to Lose the #i4i Case http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/28/lies-about-ooxml-patents-i4i/ #ooxml #odf		Dec 29 02:37
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schestowitz	http://netbooked.net/blog/linux-netbook-with-foxos-appears-at-fcc/	Dec 29 02:38
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cubezzz	everything Intel Atom though	Dec 29 02:39
schestowitz	It's based on GNOME	Dec 29 02:39
schestowitz	Intel-tainted h/w won't last long in devices	Dec 29 02:39
schestowitz	Atom is a Luddite	Dec 29 02:39
schestowitz	x86 at large	Dec 29 02:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check out Foxconn's GNOME-based OS http://netbooked.net/blog/linux-netbook-with-foxos-appears-at-fcc/ Foxconn is a HUGE company		Dec 29 02:40
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schestowitz	It looks like it runs off removable generic batteries	Dec 29 02:41
cubezzz	how much are these FoxConn Netbooks or are they not available yet?	Dec 29 02:44
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schestowitz	China first	Dec 29 02:46
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roy__	[02:46] <schestowitz> China first	Dec 29 02:51
roy__	[02:46] <schestowitz> Then the "rest of the world"	Dec 29 02:51
roy__	[02:50] <roy> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/Homeless-man-charged-with-stealing-plane-8693942-80234812.html	Dec 29 02:51
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: I'm teaching a friend how to manipulate his psychiatrist	Dec 29 02:52
DaemonFC	exactly what to say and how to say it	Dec 29 02:52
DaemonFC	and what not to say cause it gets you committed	Dec 29 02:52
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: your downstairs neighbour>	Dec 29 02:57
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DaemonFC	no, guy in Georgia (about 600 miles from here) that I've been talking to for over a year	Dec 29 02:58
DaemonFC	turned 18 last month and hi parents are holding him hostage	Dec 29 02:58
DaemonFC	*his	Dec 29 02:58
DaemonFC	withholding his state and federal ID, won't tell him is social security number	Dec 29 02:59
DaemonFC	manipulated his psychiatrist into telling Social Security to make his mom his payee	Dec 29 02:59
DaemonFC	so he has no money	Dec 29 02:59
DaemonFC	his mom is going around blowing his disability checks like mad money for stupid crap that's not even for him	Dec 29 03:00
cubezzz	wow that's awful	Dec 29 03:01
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/blogs/bizfeed/185510/atandt_cuts_off_online_iphone_sales_in_ny.html?tk=rss_news	Dec 29 03:01
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DaemonFC	I'd like to (removed to not piss off schestowitz) that woman myself to be honest	Dec 29 03:01
DaemonFC	cubezzz: It's cause his stepdad won't work and his mom is on disability and doesn't work	Dec 29 03:02
schestowitz	She's hot, eh?	Dec 29 03:02
DaemonFC	and so they're trapping him there for extra income	Dec 29 03:02
*schestowitz jokes		Dec 29 03:03
DaemonFC	not funny	Dec 29 03:03
schestowitz	The missinf word...	Dec 29 03:03
cubezzz	it doesn't sound like a good situation at all	Dec 29 03:03
DaemonFC	I went over what to say and how to say it next time he sees his psychiatrist	Dec 29 03:03
DaemonFC	then made up the highlights	Dec 29 03:03
DaemonFC	1. I believe my parents are misusing my money on items that are not benefiting me. (cite examples)	Dec 29 03:04
DaemonFC	2. I feel like a hostage in my own home.	Dec 29 03:04
DaemonFC	3. I just don't know how much more of this I can take, it makes me feel sick and depressed all the time, I go to the bathroom and cry a lot and think of how nice it would be to die. I will get out of this place one way or another. (Don't mention a date or method or by law she'll commit you)	Dec 29 03:04
DaemonFC	I want to try to nudge the shrink into finding some place to live and recommending that social security gives him his check	Dec 29 03:05
DaemonFC	*finding him	Dec 29 03:05
schestowitz	Ah, the "suicide" defence	Dec 29 03:06
schestowitz	That's a manipulative move, unless it's true	Dec 29 03:06
schestowitz	BTW, see Garland's bio (Gumm sisters)	Dec 29 03:06
DaemonFC	schestowitz: They can't prove what he's thinking	Dec 29 03:07
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dshxW6gmzBA	Dec 29 03:07
schestowitz	And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNELdefMBd8&feature=related	Dec 29 03:07
cubezzz	Judy Garland?	Dec 29 03:07
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 29 03:07
schestowitz	She changed both names	Dec 29 03:07
schestowitz	For showbiz	Dec 29 03:07
cubezzz	damn, I'm craving pizza again	Dec 29 03:08
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Never be honest with a psychiatrist	Dec 29 03:08
DaemonFC	you will regret it	Dec 29 03:08
DaemonFC	lesson 2: Keep your story straight, they will probably make you repeat it later	Dec 29 03:09
schestowitz	http://me.selah.ca/blog/?p=620	Dec 29 03:09
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cubezzz	ok, I won't talk about my UFO sighting then	Dec 29 03:09
DaemonFC	lesson 3: If you are telling something that is supposed to make you feel angry or sad, body language is key.	Dec 29 03:09
schestowitz	cubezzz: it's obviouslt a UFO	Dec 29 03:10
schestowitz	Cause you could not identify it	Dec 29 03:10
schestowitz	But it doesn't mean it's from another planet	Dec 29 03:10
schestowitz	It's just not identified (to you)	Dec 29 03:10
cubezzz	yeah fine, I just want a pizza :)	Dec 29 03:10
DaemonFC	lesson 4: Don't EVER fall for the trip up questions on the written multiple choice mental exams	Dec 29 03:10
schestowitz	cubezzz: cook some on a flying saucer!	Dec 29 03:10
DaemonFC	(watch out for the same question reworded)	Dec 29 03:10
schestowitz	How do you know?	Dec 29 03:11
cubezzz	schestowitz, you never look at UFO videos on youtube?	Dec 29 03:11
DaemonFC	lesson 5: Acting out violently or showing any signs of anger or rage while on the inpatient unit will get you put in seclusion.	Dec 29 03:11
schestowitz	DaemonFC: seems like you have experience with people of that profession	Dec 29 03:12
schestowitz	cubezzz: I saw some	Dec 29 03:12
DaemonFC	schestowitz: 20 years worth	Dec 29 03:12
schestowitz	Let me find it.. :-)	Dec 29 03:12
DaemonFC	I know how they act and what to say to them	Dec 29 03:12
schestowitz	Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegVM4Lgmq8&feature=related	Dec 29 03:12
cubezzz	there's this one pic that shows this tiny guy walking around like 1 foot in height	Dec 29 03:13
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The best way to see a psychiatrist is with the fewest possible visits to keep the government happy	Dec 29 03:13
DaemonFC	I hate psychiatrists	Dec 29 03:13
cubezzz	I went to visit a friend in a mental hospital once	Dec 29 03:14
schestowitz	cubezzz: why a guy and not a worm?	Dec 29 03:14
cubezzz	I just wanted out of there :)	Dec 29 03:14
schestowitz	They shouldn't look like humans	Dec 29 03:14
schestowitz	It's highly improbable	Dec 29 03:14
cubezzz	schestowitz, I don't know	Dec 29 03:14
cubezzz	no idea what aliens look like	Dec 29 03:14
schestowitz	Seven Monkeys......	Dec 29 03:14
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schestowitz	cubezzz: like us, of course!	Dec 29 03:15
schestowitz	Same with "God"!	Dec 29 03:15
cubezzz	I just don't discount the possibility that the earth has been visited by something we don't know about	Dec 29 03:15
schestowitz	He was made to look like us	Dec 29 03:15
schestowitz	But we say he made /us/ in /his/ own image	Dec 29 03:15
schestowitz	Favouritism over baboons!! Haha. Touche!!	Dec 29 03:15
fewa_	eritit sicet deus, scientes bonus et malum	Dec 29 03:16
schestowitz	cubezzz: you mean by "life"?	Dec 29 03:16
cubezzz	yes	Dec 29 03:16
schestowitz	Earth is visited by cosmic dust all the time	Dec 29 03:16
cubezzz	it's a vast universe	Dec 29 03:16
schestowitz	Baboons admire the sun too	Dec 29 03:17
schestowitz	Maybe they think it's a divine entity, a deity	Dec 29 03:17
schestowitz	Like a big hot and bright baboon!	Dec 29 03:17
schestowitz	The rays are many tails	Dec 29 03:17
fewa_	the catholics have it right: 2000 years ago they could not be expected to conform to modern science	Dec 29 03:18
schestowitz	But the baboon can't write about this yet :-) :-)	Dec 29 03:18
fewa_	and taking those words literally, from a scientific standpoint, is absurd	Dec 29 03:18
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fewa_	schestowitz, neither could the native americans	Dec 29 03:18
schestowitz	We have the skill of passing info from one genration to next	Dec 29 03:18
fewa_	and the Chinese only with a form of pictograph	Dec 29 03:19
schestowitz	Thanks in part to Johann Gutenberg and the printing press	Dec 29 03:19
schestowitz	But he didn't invst print, eithr	Dec 29 03:19
fewa_	phonetics are important	Dec 29 03:19
schestowitz	The Asians could do it before	Dec 29 03:19
schestowitz	We have insular history literature	Dec 29 03:19
fewa_	but mass media created propaganda	Dec 29 03:19
schestowitz	Like Marconi credited with radio rather than Tesla	Dec 29 03:20
fewa_	church-->propaganda	Dec 29 03:20
fewa_	with printing press	Dec 29 03:20
fewa_	and then radio and TV	Dec 29 03:20
schestowitz	Sermons too	Dec 29 03:20
fewa_	thats differnt	Dec 29 03:20
schestowitz	Congregations worked as well	Dec 29 03:20
schestowitz	But word of mouth is peer to peer	Dec 29 03:20
schestowitz	Not centralised	Dec 29 03:20
cubezzz	Tesla got credit after he died	Dec 29 03:21
cubezzz	not ideal of course	Dec 29 03:21
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegVM4Lgmq8&feature=related	Dec 29 03:21
schestowitz	AT&T is a propaganda tool	Dec 29 03:21
schestowitz	!google AT&T censored bands	Dec 29 03:21
phIRCe-local	[1] - AT&T \| Wireless, DSL Internet, U-verse, Digital TV, and Phone Service \| http://www.att.com/	Dec 29 03:21
phIRCe-local	[2] - Play Games - Free Online Games at AddictingGames! \| http://www.addictinggames.com/	Dec 29 03:21
phIRCe-local	[3] - Home - Appalachian Trail Conservancy \| http://www.appalachiantrail.org/	Dec 29 03:21
phIRCe-local	[4] - UC Berkeley - Happy holidays! \| http://berkeley.edu/	Dec 29 03:21
cubezzz	even Sagan didn't rule out life on other worlds	Dec 29 03:22
schestowitz	Nothing appropriate there. Hogwash.	Dec 29 03:22
fewa_	the internet is not mass media	Dec 29 03:22
fewa_	thats what sets it apart	Dec 29 03:22
schestowitz	cubezzz: that's different from UFOs	Dec 29 03:22
schestowitz	Drake equation for example	Dec 29 03:22
cubezzz	a lot of the Nasa guys saw stuff they couldn't explain	Dec 29 03:23
schestowitz	Like what?	Dec 29 03:23
cubezzz	I talked to one guy and he was pretty serious	Dec 29 03:23
schestowitz	All things can't be explained at first	Dec 29 03:23
cubezzz	he said "some of the aliens look like us, and some don't"	Dec 29 03:23
schestowitz	Like sleep paralysis, which had people believe in ghosts	Dec 29 03:24
cubezzz	exact quote	Dec 29 03:24
schestowitz	Hehe.	Dec 29 03:24
fewa_	lol	Dec 29 03:24
schestowitz	Sounds like the alien fans	Dec 29 03:24
schestowitz	"They're among us!!"	Dec 29 03:24
schestowitz	The "reptiles"!	Dec 29 03:24
cubezzz	whatever :)	Dec 29 03:24
schestowitz	I had bookmarked one pwnage video but it's gone now	Dec 29 03:24
schestowitz	Censored	Dec 29 03:25
cubezzz	I figured that would be your reaction	Dec 29 03:25
schestowitz	Some people actually walk out there believing that some other people are aliens	Dec 29 03:25
schestowitz	Some thing that they were sent from God	Dec 29 03:25
cubezzz	what I _saw_ was two ellipitical blobs moving fast over the horizon, bright orange at about 2 am	Dec 29 03:25
schestowitz	Like Stalin, IIRC.. and Hitler	Dec 29 03:25
fewa_	"space is no escape" http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/sciandsoc/tragedy.pdf	Dec 29 03:25
cubezzz	believe me, I wouldn't make stuff like that up	Dec 29 03:25
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDBxH5sZZk	Dec 29 03:25
cubezzz	that's the only thing I ever saw which I could really call a "UFO"	Dec 29 03:26
schestowitz	Maybe part hallucination? It's probable	Dec 29 03:26
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDA136FKVgk	Dec 29 03:26
schestowitz	'	Dec 29 03:27
schestowitz	Dr. John Mack was a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a leading authority on the transformative and spiritual aspects of alien encounters.	Dec 29 03:27
schestowitz	Here is Carl Sagan's "explanation" why people see UFOs quoted from hi book 'The Demon Haunted World': "It appears that all human behavior and experience is well attended by illusory and hallucinatory phenomena. While the relationship of these phenomena to mental illness has been well documented, their role in everyday life has perhaps not been considered enough. Greater understanding of illusions and hallucinations among normal	Dec 29 03:27
schestowitz	people may provide explanations for experiences otherwise relegated to the uncanny, "extrasensory," or supernatural."	Dec 29 03:27
schestowitz	'	Dec 29 03:27
schestowitz	Carl Sagan on advanced civilizations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0PWOJkWgcM&NR=1&feature=fvwp.	Dec 29 03:27
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fewa_	you really like the space stuff	Dec 29 03:28
cubezzz	schestowitz, I don't see bright (like full moon bright) orange blobs in the sky	Dec 29 03:28
cubezzz	normally	Dec 29 03:28
schestowitz	http://www.itworld.com/security/90657/the-technology-and-terrorist	Dec 29 03:29
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cubezzz	the contrast between the night sky and the blobs was very pronounced	Dec 29 03:29
cubezzz	not blurry	Dec 29 03:29
oiaohm	orange blobs in sky are tenchically possiable.	Dec 29 03:29
schestowitz	cubezzz: horizon is far	Dec 29 03:29
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=russian+missile+ufo&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8	Dec 29 03:30
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oiaohm	We have a metorite that crossed over where I was and it changed colors 6 times before it impacted.	Dec 29 03:30
cubezzz	imagine a perfect ellipse that was bright orange	Dec 29 03:30
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cubezzz	that is what it looked like	Dec 29 03:30
cubezzz	didn't look like a meteorite at all	Dec 29 03:31
oiaohm	Orange, red, yellow, blue, green and white	Dec 29 03:31
oiaohm	All from one lump of rock.	Dec 29 03:31
schestowitz	http://www.guru3d.com/news/30000mph-meteorite-hits-german-teenager/	Dec 29 03:31
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schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/boy-survives-being-struck-by-a-meteorite/	Dec 29 03:31
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cubezzz	two at the same time the exact same size? :)	Dec 29 03:31
cubezzz	rather odd I thought	Dec 29 03:31
oiaohm	other causes include cold plasma.	Dec 29 03:31
cubezzz	anyways, it was really strange	Dec 29 03:32
cubezzz	no clue what it was	Dec 29 03:32
oiaohm	Cold plasma has a magnetic feild and can interact with each other.	Dec 29 03:32
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oiaohm	And has the habit of disappearing with a ban.	Dec 29 03:32
cubezzz	no sound	Dec 29 03:33
oiaohm	ban. bang	Dec 29 03:33
cubezzz	didn't hear anything	Dec 29 03:33
oiaohm	Did it disappear close to you.	Dec 29 03:33
oiaohm	Ie inside 200 meters.	Dec 29 03:33
cubezzz	no, I don't think so	Dec 29 03:33
oiaohm	Out side that you would not hear the bang as cold plasma distergrates.	Dec 29 03:33
cubezzz	it's possible	Dec 29 03:34
cubezzz	the regularity of the objects was the weird part about it	Dec 29 03:34
oiaohm	Another common one at night is fighter jet engines.	Dec 29 03:34
cubezzz	mathematically perfect	Dec 29 03:35
cubezzz	it seemed to me	Dec 29 03:35
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oiaohm	Just seeing from the right angle.	Dec 29 03:35
cubezzz	it seemed big whatever it was	Dec 29 03:35
cubezzz	as big as a full moon or even a bit bigger	Dec 29 03:35
oiaohm	something in mid air you cannot tell how big it was.	Dec 29 03:36
oiaohm	Because you cannot tell how far it is away.	Dec 29 03:36
cubezzz	relative in size, yes	Dec 29 03:36
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cubezzz	if you look you'll see pictures which look similar	Dec 29 03:36
oiaohm	I know from people panicing about a large bit falling in a plain and all it was a bit of A4 paper droped from glider.	Dec 29 03:37
cubezzz	I'll try to find one	Dec 29 03:37
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oiaohm	Most people said it was a few meters accross cubezzz	Dec 29 03:37
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oiaohm	Yes a bit of a4 paper falling.	Dec 29 03:37
cubezzz	ok the brightness of the objects was very striking	Dec 29 03:37
cubezzz	not like a plane or anything like that	Dec 29 03:37
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2009/12/gop-candidate-rumors-opponent-gay/	Dec 29 03:38
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oiaohm	Have you ever seen fighter jet after burners cubezzz	Dec 29 03:38
cubezzz	yes	Dec 29 03:38
schestowitz	Sonic BOOM!	Dec 29 03:38
oiaohm	It would be really odd to be brighter than that.	Dec 29 03:39
cubezzz	I'd tend to hear fighter jets, they are pretty noisey	Dec 29 03:39
oiaohm	After burning does not have to Sonic BOOM.	Dec 29 03:39
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d9A2oq1N38	Dec 29 03:39
oiaohm	If you are dump and burning you are not moving that fast.	Dec 29 03:39
oiaohm	Just clearing fuel.	Dec 29 03:39
oiaohm	Ie how you burn decides if its for speed or not.	Dec 29 03:40
oiaohm	Air presures the right way can block the noise of a jet getting to ground as well.	Dec 29 03:40
oiaohm	Even if the jet is Sonic	Dec 29 03:40
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schestowitz	> I went to business credit cards for Citibank just now at home, look what	Dec 29 03:41
schestowitz	> popped up in Firefox and Ubuntu (attached). Here in US we still have	Dec 29 03:41
schestowitz	> websites that only honor Microsoft's Internet Explorer.	Dec 29 03:41
cubezzz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/03/royal_navy_vs_ufos/	Dec 29 03:42
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cubezzz	ok, I know people like to joke about stuff like this	Dec 29 03:43
cubezzz	but there's a lot of orange blob UFO sightings	Dec 29 03:43
cubezzz	I know it sounds ridiculous	Dec 29 03:43
oiaohm	There are a lot of causes to orange blobs in air.	Dec 29 03:44
oiaohm	Problem is most people who see them as UFO don't research out and cansel out the possiable causes.	Dec 29 03:44
oiaohm	Jets are the simplest to rule out.	Dec 29 03:44
oiaohm	Plasma balls are a very hard to rule out.	Dec 29 03:45
oiaohm	Metorites are also tricky to rule out.	Dec 29 03:45
cubezzz	I guess it could have been a plasma ball	Dec 29 03:45
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cubezzz	but the colour was completely uniform, that's the weird part	Dec 29 03:45
oiaohm	Plasma balls are known for completely uniform.	Dec 29 03:46
cubezzz	hmmm, ok	Dec 29 03:46
oiaohm	The engey in the ball lights up its area equally.	Dec 29 03:46
oiaohm	We are still trying to work out how to make cold plasma balls.	Dec 29 03:47
oiaohm	Dependably.	Dec 29 03:47
oiaohm	Ie we can make some but we also get some hot plasma balls as well. Hot plasma balls are not particularly fun when they run into anything.	Dec 29 03:47
oiaohm	ie hot plasma balls make a mother of a hole in what ever they hit.	Dec 29 03:48
oiaohm	Cold are perfectly safe as long as they hit earthed metal and will damage nothing. Ok hit electronics they are fried.	Dec 29 03:49
cubezzz	is that anything like this:	Dec 29 03:49
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe	Dec 29 03:49
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schestowitz	Oh, flights become more of a nuisance now, for no justifiable, defensible reason. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29security.html?_r=1 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_airline_attack_regulations "They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps."	Dec 29 03:50
oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ball_lightning_appears_cropped.jpg Was it this kind of orange cubezzz	Dec 29 03:51
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oiaohm	That ball lightning is show the color air natrually puts off if highly charged. cubezzz	Dec 29 03:51
cubezzz	the colour is similar	Dec 29 03:52
cubezzz	but there was no tendrils or anything like that	Dec 29 03:52
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ball_lightning.png	Dec 29 03:52
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cubezzz	what I saw looked like an ellipse	Dec 29 03:52
cubezzz	and there was two of them	Dec 29 03:52
oiaohm	The colour is key.	Dec 29 03:53
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oiaohm	If its that colour or close it could be just air effected by high charge with a geneted field making it take a shape.	Dec 29 03:54
oiaohm	Ball lighting and all other forms of cold plasma can take almost any shape cubezzz	Dec 29 03:54
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oiaohm	But there colors are limited.	Dec 29 03:55
cubezzz	if it was lightning I wouldn't I have hear thunder afterwards?	Dec 29 03:55
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oiaohm	Nop ball lighting forms when it don't hit ground.	Dec 29 03:55
oiaohm	It can form in mid air with no path to make a sound.	Dec 29 03:56
cubezzz	well, that's as good an explanation as any	Dec 29 03:56
oiaohm	I am sure its not this plasma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_plasma.jpg	Dec 29 03:56
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schestowitz	"In a 1960 study 5% of the US population reported having witnessed ball lightning.[2][3] Another study analyzed reports of 10,000 cases.[2][4]"	Dec 29 03:56
schestowitz	My desire to board planes is waning not just because" of pollution but the increased inconvenience... maybe we'll just be put in plane cages 10 years from now :-)	Dec 29 03:57
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cubezzz	yeah I don't want to go on a plane either	Dec 29 03:57
oiaohm	You can get a mix between water plasma and air plasma as well making a color slightly off cubezzz	Dec 29 03:57
oiaohm	plane is most of the time.	Dec 29 03:57
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/24/ddos_attack_ultradns_december_09/	Dec 29 03:58
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oiaohm	Unless the ball plasma decides to form inside the aircraft.	Dec 29 03:58
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oiaohm	Personally I suspect a lot more people see ball lighting and call it UFO because they don't id the color as owning to ball lightning	Dec 29 03:59
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Ender2070	theres IS a correlation between those who say "that guy is foaming at the mouth" and pro microsoft commenters	Dec 29 04:02
Ender2070	http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=516&cpage=1#comment-466	Dec 29 04:02
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schestowitz	http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/322-Body-By-Victoria.html	Dec 29 04:05
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cubezzz	I'm not seeing a lot of rational discussion about the "merits" of windows and Microsoft	Dec 29 04:05
cubezzz	it's more people flaming each other	Dec 29 04:06
Ender2070	yes, im done adding to it myself	Dec 29 04:07
Ender2070	none of them have reading comprehension	Dec 29 04:07
Ender2070	or	Dec 29 04:08
Ender2070	the famous upton sinclair quote	Dec 29 04:08
Ender2070	It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it.	Dec 29 04:09
cubezzz	it's hard to understand the hatred directed towards FOSS though	Dec 29 04:09
cubezzz	if you don't like it just don't use it	Dec 29 04:10
Ender2070	i know	Dec 29 04:11
Ender2070	who can hate the idea of having source code for everything?	Dec 29 04:11
Ender2070	besides someone who doesn't want to give it away	Dec 29 04:11
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cubezzz	turning it around, I can understand the hate towards Microsoft as it's shoved down everyone's throat	Dec 29 04:12
cubezzz	but the Freedman testimony really showed Microsoft in a bad light	Dec 29 04:12
cubezzz	it's got to have an effect	Dec 29 04:12
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Ender2070	"This article is a mishmash of paranioa, ignorance, hyprocrisy and blatant lies." LOL	Dec 29 04:13
cubezzz	well the testimonies are public now	Dec 29 04:13
cubezzz	it speaks for itself	Dec 29 04:13
Ender2070	pretty much	Dec 29 04:14
DaemonFC	I'm gathering up all my XBOX 360 games	Dec 29 04:15
DaemonFC	putting them up for sale on Craigslist	Dec 29 04:15
DaemonFC	with the console	Dec 29 04:15
DaemonFC	and all my original XBOX games too	Dec 29 04:15
cubezzz	it's almost a weird form of astro-turfing where people who aren't even FOSS users are pretending they are FOSS users	Dec 29 04:15
cubezzz	then they actually bad mouth FOSS!	Dec 29 04:16
DaemonFC	I'm talking in here through Chatzilla	Dec 29 04:16
DaemonFC	that's FOSS :)	Dec 29 04:16
cubezzz	good for you :)	Dec 29 04:16
DaemonFC	of course I know very few Windows users that actually use Internet Explorer	Dec 29 04:16
DaemonFC	personally, I'm happy with anything but that	Dec 29 04:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "..pay 25 quid [per year] to prop up the music industry's failed business model.." http://ur1.ca/intk		Dec 29 04:17
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cubezzz	on my blog, I just stick with positive FOSS comments	Dec 29 04:18
cubezzz	I barely enough talk about Microsoft's machinations	Dec 29 04:18
cubezzz	enough=even	Dec 29 04:18
DaemonFC	if I had it to do over again, I would not have bought my XBOX 360 and gotten its seven replacements at no extra charge :P	Dec 29 04:19
DaemonFC	I would have either gotten a PS3 or just waited for a Wii to make it to the shelves	Dec 29 04:19
DaemonFC	that's unreasonable that I have gone through a console every 3 months or so on average	Dec 29 04:20
DaemonFC	my original Nintendo still works	Dec 29 04:20
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DaemonFC	my original Sega Genesis works	Dec 29 04:20
DaemonFC	my original Nintendo 64 works	Dec 29 04:20
DaemonFC	my Dreamcast works	Dec 29 04:20
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cubezzz	the inescapable conclusion: XBOX sux!	Dec 29 04:21
DaemonFC	I've never in my life had to send a game console back in	Dec 29 04:21
DaemonFC	XBOX 360 made me send seven in to be replaced inside 4 years	Dec 29 04:21
cubezzz	they must be losing money on it	Dec 29 04:22
DaemonFC	that's not a 52% failure rate, it's more like 87.5%	Dec 29 04:22
DaemonFC	and this one just hasn't died yet	Dec 29 04:22
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DaemonFC	if it does, it would be over 90% failure rate	Dec 29 04:22
cubezzz	cdrom based devices do fail more often	Dec 29 04:23
DaemonFC	that ought to tell you how far Microsoft has gone to cover this up	Dec 29 04:23
cubezzz	the spindle motor or stepper motor goes, the laser pickup goes	Dec 29 04:23
DaemonFC	that's not the problem	Dec 29 04:23
cubezzz	it just doesn't have good longevity	Dec 29 04:23
DaemonFC	they all died of the overheat problem	Dec 29 04:23
Ender2070	happens more often if you smoke	Dec 29 04:23
cubezzz	oh I see	Dec 29 04:23
DaemonFC	Ender2070: I smoked for a while but I went outside	Dec 29 04:24
cubezzz	bad design obviously	Dec 29 04:24
DaemonFC	if you smoke inside, it coats the walls, the floors, your clothes, gets sucked into PCs and game consoles and slowly ruins them	Dec 29 04:24
Ender2070	the original x360's had a common issue that required hanging the power adapter off something	Dec 29 04:24
DaemonFC	it's still playable in the winter, if you take it outside with you	Dec 29 04:25
DaemonFC	yay!	Dec 29 04:25
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DaemonFC	25% of the fun for 100% of the price	Dec 29 04:25
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DaemonFC	Ender2070: I got all wound up over the specs, which would beat even the fastest gaming computer of 2005	Dec 29 04:26
cubezzz	who does quality control at Microsoft? :)	Dec 29 04:26
DaemonFC	but even this PC has more raw processing power than the 360 does	Dec 29 04:26
DaemonFC	Microsoft is gonna have to come out with a new console within a year or two most likely	Dec 29 04:27
cubezzz	processing power != fun	Dec 29 04:27
DaemonFC	meh, there's only really one thing you see with Microsoft and Sony, lots of bad first person shooters	Dec 29 04:27
DaemonFC	they pepper in a few bad RPGs to round it all up	Dec 29 04:28
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Ender2070	I like my ds and my wii	Dec 29 04:29
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Ender2070	the dsi isnt good, missing gba slot	Dec 29 04:29
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DaemonFC	I found my HALO disc :P	Dec 29 04:33
DaemonFC	first game I got for the XBOX, 2004	Dec 29 04:34
DaemonFC	the XBOX version sucked, it predates XBOX Live	Dec 29 04:34
DaemonFC	so there's no multiplayer at all	Dec 29 04:34
DaemonFC	HALO was what all the demo machines were running back in 2001 (I think), I just couldn't afford the system back then (17 years old, think I had a paper route that gave me $15-$20 a week)	Dec 29 04:36
DaemonFC	Microsoft bought an entire company just so they could have one title that year that didn't blow	Dec 29 04:39
DaemonFC	Ender2070: XBOX 360 Pro with 20 GB hard drive, one wireless controller, and 9 360 games plus 5 XBOX games	Dec 29 05:03
DaemonFC	$160 sound about right?	Dec 29 05:03
DaemonFC	higher, lower?	Dec 29 05:03
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oiaohm	Xbox 360s have lots of probems.	Dec 29 06:00
oiaohm	Everything from being asembled without heat compond to defective wiring on cooling fans.	Dec 29 06:00
oiaohm	The drives don't get a chance to fail.	Dec 29 06:01
oiaohm	Before everything else does.	Dec 29 06:01
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TheMadHatter	Anyone home?	Dec 29 06:18
TheMadHatter	???	Dec 29 06:22
oiaohm	Kinda	Dec 29 06:23
TheMadHatter	Want a good laugh?	Dec 29 06:23
TheMadHatter	Updated: Barry the Inaccurate http://bit.ly/6ermyT #cria #torrent #riaa #wipo #lobbyist #inaccurate #lostinspace	Dec 29 06:23
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TheMadHatter	I've been having a little fun.	Dec 29 06:24
Ender2070	hey madhatter	Dec 29 06:26
TheMadHatter	hey	Dec 29 06:40
Ender2070	I run pwnage.ca	Dec 29 06:49
DaemonFC	this guy just emailed me about the 360	Dec 29 06:51
DaemonFC	offered me an old, OLD OLD computer in trade for it	Dec 29 06:51
DaemonFC	I want cash, not something I could find by dumpster diving	Dec 29 06:51
DaemonFC	I'd take 180 Confederate Dollars before I took his computer	Dec 29 06:52
TheMadHatter	RSS?	Dec 29 06:53
TheMadHatter	yep, you got RSS.	Dec 29 06:54
TheMadHatter	I'm fighting with Word Press, trying to get it installed.	Dec 29 06:55
Ender2070	I have my own server, didnt find it too hard	Dec 29 06:55
TheMadHatter	Got server. FTP is the issue. That and I have a nasty head cold, so I'm not thinking to sharp.	Dec 29 06:56
Ender2070	what server os	Dec 29 06:58
Ender2070	ubuntu has a pretty easy vsftp guide	Dec 29 06:58
Ender2070	http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50356	Dec 29 06:58
Ender2070	ops	Dec 29 06:58
Ender2070	https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html	Dec 29 06:58
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TheMadHatter	not sure, some sort of 'nix	Dec 29 07:00
DaemonFC	I don't suppose anyone here wants to buy an XBOX 360 off me	Dec 29 07:01
DaemonFC	I could trade it into Amazon for $56 of store credit	Dec 29 07:02
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 29 07:02
DaemonFC	that'd get me one Wii game and lunch	Dec 29 07:02
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 29 07:02
TheMadHatter	http://independentfilmblog.com/archives/to-free-or-not-to-free/	Dec 29 07:02
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DaemonFC	I noticed those places pay a lot more if you take it as store credit	Dec 29 07:03
DaemonFC	for obvious reasons	Dec 29 07:03
DaemonFC	still not even half what I want for the damned thing	Dec 29 07:04
TheMadHatter	leesee - u got XB360 w/spyware, PS3 w/spyware, wii w/spyware. Nexgen console=nexgen spyware	Dec 29 07:07
TheMadHatter	gimee a ps2	Dec 29 07:07
Ender2070	ds is pretty good too	Dec 29 07:08
DaemonFC	spyware?	Dec 29 07:08
DaemonFC	Don't give it an internet connection if you're that worried, problem solved	Dec 29 07:08
TheMadHatter	ps3 no choice - it dies if it can't talk to mommy	Dec 29 07:10
TheMadHatter	anyway, just had to say hi. Keep an eye on madhatter.ca, should be up soon.	Dec 29 07:20
DaemonFC	Ender2070: I'm bidding on a new Wii	Dec 29 07:27
DaemonFC	on ebay	Dec 29 07:27
DaemonFC	wish me luck	Dec 29 07:27
DaemonFC	shipping is $12.55, so I can go to $187.44 before I break even with the store	Dec 29 07:29
DaemonFC	I won't go past $170 though	Dec 29 07:29
DaemonFC	that would leave me with a cool $17.44 in my pocket :P	Dec 29 07:30
DaemonFC	almost enough to grab a million seller game	Dec 29 07:30
DaemonFC	I just had someone email me asking if I'd take a trade for the 360, I shot a reply back saying it depends what they were offering	Dec 29 07:35
DaemonFC	why don't they just tell you what they want to trade?	Dec 29 07:36
DaemonFC	I love ebay and Craigslist	Dec 29 07:37
DaemonFC	it's like running my own little war room	Dec 29 07:37
DaemonFC	"Kee - Well I would have 3 items right off hand to offer, One being a Military issue laptop, second being a 12" performance sub, and third being a paintball gun (Spyder Victor) let me know. I have pictures, and posts of each item.."	Dec 29 07:38
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DaemonFC	"Ryan F. to Kee - What are the specs on the laptop. CPU/RAM/GPU/Hard Disk/OS By "military issue", do you mean shock resistant, EM hardened, etc?"	Dec 29 07:41
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DaemonFC	If I could get a powerful ruggedized EM pulse resistant laptop for that 360, it's theirs	Dec 29 07:42
DaemonFC	lol	Dec 29 07:42
DaemonFC	that thing would be worth having for the bragging rights alone	Dec 29 07:42
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Watch it be stolen and I have Delta Force kicking my door down	Dec 29 07:44
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 29 07:44
DaemonFC	oiaohm: What is PC-CDE?	Dec 29 07:53
DaemonFC	this guy listed that as the OS	Dec 29 07:53
DaemonFC	I don't know why everyone has to offer me garbage out of the attic	Dec 29 07:58
DaemonFC	it says $180 US Dollars	Dec 29 07:58
DaemonFC	clearly	Dec 29 07:58
DaemonFC	not "your dusty PC from 1999"	Dec 29 08:00
DaemonFC	I already have a PC graveyard in my closet going back to 1991	Dec 29 08:00
DaemonFC	I'd stocked up on obsolete crap I'm never going to use again	Dec 29 08:00
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 29 08:00
DaemonFC	*I'm	Dec 29 08:00
DaemonFC	I'm a packrat when it comes to PC hardware	Dec 29 08:01
DaemonFC	I still have my old 386 laptop from 1991	Dec 29 08:01
DaemonFC	still works	Dec 29 08:01
DaemonFC	I don't know that I could find any parallel port printers to hook up to it, but it works :)	Dec 29 08:02
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oiaohm	http://xwinman.org/cde.php Ok that is cde Ok he is gone.	Dec 29 09:48
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Omar87	Hi all.	Dec 29 09:54
Omar87	schestowitz: are you there?	Dec 29 09:54
Omar87	anyone here?	Dec 29 09:57
kecskebak	I'm sort of here, but I'm working too	Dec 29 09:59
kecskebak	Hi Omar87	Dec 29 09:59
Omar87	kecskebak: hey	Dec 29 09:59
kecskebak	I tend to have IRC on the panel and look at it when I want a break	Dec 29 10:00
Omar87	The Redmond demons are becoming more active in my country (Jordan) than ever, they're working on reatctivating and relaunching all the .NET clubs in the country. Can you please suggest some ways we can fight back?	Dec 29 10:01
Omar87	.NET clubs are student groups that can be found in almost every university in the country. They mostly consist of a bunch of idiots (students) who know nothing, at all, but the M$ kool-aide, and all the do is basically arrange M$ marketing campaigns.	Dec 29 10:04
Omar87	they* do	Dec 29 10:04
Omar87	Or, to be more accurate, M$ Mass Hypnosis Campaigns.	Dec 29 10:05
kecskebak	Roy would probably be the best person to ask about this	Dec 29 10:05
kecskebak	Shame popey doesn't come here any more - he knew all about the workings of setting up a successful Linux User Group	Dec 29 10:05
Omar87	kecskebak: we have a Linux Users Group, or so they used to call it. But now they basically do nothing at all.	Dec 29 10:06
kecskebak	Yes, that's a shame. Is there a Jordanian podcast?	Dec 29 10:07
Omar87	Also, we have founded a Open Source Association (although I hate the naming, but it's better than nothing).	Dec 29 10:07
kecskebak	Something like the Ubuntu UK pod for Jordan. If you could afford the hosting that may be something you and a couple of friends could do	Dec 29 10:07
kecskebak	There are a huge number of people who listen to the Ubuntu pod who don't use Ubuntu or even GNU/Linux	Dec 29 10:08
kecskebak	The UK relaxed presentation of the pod is deceptive - there is obviously a LOT of work behind it, but if there are just one or two of you and you have enough free time then that's probably a very effective way to make a difference	Dec 29 10:11
Omar87	kecskebak: I'm thinking of establishing a BN-like community here in Jordan.	Dec 29 10:16
kecskebak	Blog, IRC channel, Podcast - they all help	Dec 29 10:17
kecskebak	A lot of work though	Dec 29 10:19
schestowitz	Just got this:	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	> Thanks, Roy. What a rogue outfit that Microsoft. Firefox is now the	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	> most popular browser even for Microsoft Windows all versions, and they	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	> still require that only a Microsoft product be used, which also	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	> eliminates all other browsers. I don't have that problem with Bank of	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	> America, USAA Bank nor PayPal. It's rather sad that I must retain	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	> Windows for the sake of work.	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	Bill's Forces are still ruining banks	Dec 29 10:33
schestowitz	Mazing,.	Dec 29 10:34
schestowitz	Omar87: put flyers up, teach people about how Microsoft robs Jordan	Dec 29 10:34
schestowitz	Show their crimes, too, briefly	Dec 29 10:34
Omar87	schestowitz: yeah, I think I should do so.	Dec 29 10:34
schestowitz	Don't preach only to the converted; you can at least spread information.	Dec 29 10:35
Omar87	schestowitz: I'm probably going to establish a BN-like campaign in Jordan.	Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz	I bet people around you think that the criminal known as Ballmer and Bill is actually businessman/men	Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz	That's because there's PR	Dec 29 10:35
schestowitz	Omar87: this one had nothing to do with me, but it had the intended effect of making people aware of Novell's role of a Microsoft marionette. http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-novell-protesters-man-handled.html	Dec 29 10:38
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oiaohm	Supprisng what free pizza can do Omar87.	Dec 29 10:40
Omar87	oiaohm: free pizza?	Dec 29 10:40
oiaohm	It was one of the MS stunts when I was in Uni.	Dec 29 10:40
oiaohm	If you would push MS you would get free pizza.	Dec 29 10:40
Omar87	oiaohm: yeah, I see. :)	Dec 29 10:42
Omar87	oiaohm: like how they released Vista 7 betas for free?	Dec 29 10:42
oiaohm	Yep Omar87	Dec 29 10:42
Omar87	oiaohm: I see.	Dec 29 10:42
oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Student_Partners << this is the game behind the MS people Omar87	Dec 29 10:45
phIRCe-local	Title: Microsoft Student Partners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 70.76 KB	Dec 29 10:45
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nt-u7dZbsM&feature=related	Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz	oiaohm: MSP scam also runs in India	Dec 29 10:50
schestowitz	It should be renamed Microsoft Student Suckers	Dec 29 10:51
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/india-moves-to-free-software/	Dec 29 10:51
oiaohm	Now what is so funny with these guys who are Microsoft Student Partners is when I just laughed at them. In uni I was a Microsoft regestered partner. Note Regestered partner status is free and you get access to more data without having to do anything.	Dec 29 10:51
oiaohm	Yes they are suxers.	Dec 29 10:51
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phIRCe-local	Now what is so funny with these guys who are Microsoft Student Partners is when I just laughed at them. In uni I was a Microsoft regestered partner. Note Regestered partner status is free and you get access to more data without having to do anything.	Dec 29 10:51
phIRCe-local	Yes they are suxers.	Dec 29 10:51
oiaohm	Also shocked them that a partner was anti MS.	Dec 29 10:52
schestowitz	hmm... phIRCe-local bug	Dec 29 10:58
schestowitz	Bribptner	Dec 29 10:59
schestowitz	Partner in crime :-) :-)	Dec 29 10:59
schestowitz	"We'll pay you, so you'll help us rob people"	Dec 29 10:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva with #KDE4: #Video Demo http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/29/fun-working-gnu-linux/		Dec 29 11:07
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oiaohm	Being a regestered pantner I can access information that allows me to fix windows machines faster.	Dec 29 11:09
schestowitz	http://www.internetnews.com/breakingnews/article.php/3855356/	Dec 29 11:10
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oiaohm	Great	Dec 29 11:11
oiaohm	Exactly what people like me want to hear.	Dec 29 11:11
oiaohm	Memory shortage will put presure on items like Windows 7	Dec 29 11:13
schestowitz	People will stampede and empty the shops... RAM rampage : -)	Dec 29 11:14
oiaohm	They are basically believing Windows 7 will sell in large numbers.	Dec 29 11:16
oiaohm	It don't no ram rush.	Dec 29 11:16
Omar87	oiaohm: yeah, that's right. I'm starting to see this MSP joke around almost every day,	Dec 29 11:17
schestowitz	I've just told susan... "Would it be possible to add the date to headlines of "leftovers" and stuff? My RSS reader removes these as dupes for having a non-unique headlines."	Dec 29 11:18
schestowitz	I think I found a better way to manage news feeds	Dec 29 11:18
oiaohm	Most of them don't know they can be a full parnter and get a full action pack for about the copy of 1 set of Office either. Omar87	Dec 29 11:19
Omar87	oiaohm: I think we can possibly fight this back by convincing large educational firms to bring certifications like LPIC into Jordan.	Dec 29 11:19
Omar87	oiaohm: excuse me?	Dec 29 11:20
Omar87	bbl	Dec 29 11:20
oiaohm	As a regestered partner for about the price of a normal copy of MS Office you get like 10 copys of windows 7 1 copy of 2008 server 10 copies of Office all for you own business and education usage.	Dec 29 11:21
oiaohm	Note not upgrade versions of Windows 7 either full versions. So you just build and use the machines you need.	Dec 29 11:21
Omar87	oiaohm: true.	Dec 29 11:22
Omar87	bbl	Dec 29 11:22
oiaohm	Basically the MSP people have the worst regestraitons they don't get enough cheep software.	Dec 29 11:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Duke Nukem to Have 'Strong Resurgence'" http://bit.ly/7EMITw Along with Longhorn Forever		Dec 29 11:34
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schestowitz	>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/19/verizon_snuffs_google_for_bing/	Dec 29 11:35
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schestowitz	>>>	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	>>> http://crackberry.com/blackberry-messenger-fritz	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	>>	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	>> No correlation AFAIK	Dec 29 11:35
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schestowitz	>	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	> If there are staff stupid enough to go along with the first, and	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	> managers fucked up enough to propose it or enforce it, then it is no	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	> surprise that the service lacks the ability to keep going reliably. The	Dec 29 11:35
schestowitz	> microsoft mindset strikes.	Dec 29 11:35
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schestowitz	Support CMD's Fight Against King Coal http://www.prwatch.org/node/8790	Dec 29 12:24
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] NorhTec Gecko netbook runs on AA batteries and can have all parts swapped out and runs !Linux, only $200 http://ur1.ca/iod3		Dec 29 12:34
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oiaohm	http://www.pcworld.com/article/185122/good_guys_bring_down_the_megad_botnet.html Great next level of war.	Dec 29 12:34
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oiaohm	How long before the bad guys fit there bot nets with self destructs.	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0022137506.shtml	Dec 29 12:35
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schestowitz	oiaohm: there should not be such botnets in the first place	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	They miss the main story	Dec 29 12:35
schestowitz	Wintendo boxes	Dec 29 12:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Secret mobile phone codes cracked #outlawstory http://tinyurl.com/ylq8ex4		Dec 29 12:35
phIRCe-local	Title: BBC News - Secret mobile phone codes cracked .::. Size~: 54.99 KB	Dec 29 12:35
*amarsh04 wonders why MinceR didn't bother to look up what Open Group "Unix" certification means		Dec 29 12:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb the Beeb calls encryption "Secret mobile phone codes". Spooooooky....		Dec 29 12:37
amarsh04	it not only means passing the conformance tests but also certifying that you'll continue to pass the conformance tests and fix any reported defect in a reasonably short time-frame	Dec 29 12:38
amarsh04	of course, Linux doesn't set the driver API in stone and is able to progress whereas Unix stagnated	Dec 29 12:39
amarsh04	if all the source code is available, one can change the APIs if there are good reasons to do so	Dec 29 12:40
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0335197514.shtml	Dec 29 12:41
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oiaohm	Not all of the Linux driver api is dynamic amarsh04	Dec 29 12:41
oiaohm	The userspace stuff is 100 percent stable amarsh04	Dec 29 12:42
amarsh04	well, the kernel syscall interface only adds new items, doesn't remove old items	Dec 29 12:42
oiaohm	fuse and cuse and others are still driver api's.	Dec 29 12:43
amarsh04	do you have a good reference for that oiaohm? The areas of API stability are a good way to distinguish different operating systems	Dec 29 12:44
amarsh04	backward compatibility and the like	Dec 29 12:44
oiaohm	netfilter also allows segments to be userspace or kernel space.	Dec 29 12:44
oiaohm	cuse sub form of fuse will be used to push some char based drivers out of kernel space to userspace so they don't have to be maintained in kernel space any more.	Dec 29 12:46
amarsh04	btw, I'm getting quite usable opengl performance on the newer pc here (amd64 dual-core with radeon 3200hd) using radeonhd and mesa from Debian Experimental	Dec 29 12:46
oiaohm	Basically Linux is part micro kernel and parth monolithic.	Dec 29 12:46
oiaohm	The microkernel style driver interfaces are 100 percent stable.	Dec 29 12:46
amarsh04	yes, so much of the kernel is in modules	Dec 29 12:47
oiaohm	No modules are part of the monolithic.	Dec 29 12:47
oiaohm	The microkenrel drivers run as normal usermode processes amarsh04	Dec 29 12:47
amarsh04	yes, as in qnx	Dec 29 12:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Execs using complex schemes to avoid tax? These people need to be banned from tax payer benefits, like bail outs http://tinyurl.com/yea55mh		Dec 29 12:48
oiaohm	The microkernel bits were added for embeded development.	Dec 29 12:49
oiaohm	Since they are not infected by linux kernel gpl.	Dec 29 12:49
oiaohm	Also once most of the alterations for rt support is done there will not be much performance difference between kernel and userspace.	Dec 29 12:54
schestowitz	Masnick does not know about Microsoft's coordinated attacks on NC, using paid shills. http://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20091222/1028117469.shtml	Dec 29 13:13
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schestowitz	http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3854821	Dec 29 13:14
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schestowitz	Microsoft and SAP leaned on EU Commission to harm them further	Dec 29 13:15
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schestowitz	Groklaw is reinventing the wheel witn Comes.	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	I should probably say it here rather than E-mail	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	Those exhibits in "update 1 & 2" I have already translated to plain text. Be sure not to start from scratch.	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	These exhibits also made the front page of Digg and Slashdot several times. They had me invited to for a television documentary, too. This is toxic stuff and just the tip of the iceberg. Comes is mostly underestimated and it's vast.	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	---	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	Roy S. Schestowitz, Ph.D. Candidate in Medical Biophysics	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	http://Schestowitz.com \| GNU/Linux \| PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	[ Reply to This \| Parent \| Delete \| # ]	Dec 29 13:37
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=2009122612211929&title=Reuse&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=809997#c810136	Dec 29 13:37
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schestowitz	They are not reusing properly	Dec 29 13:37
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Omar87	Hi all.	Dec 29 14:28
Omar87	Back	Dec 29 14:28
oiaohm	http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published I have read through this. Not once did they mention that a person with a open ham radio licence is allowed to listern and run gear against signals on any freq.	Dec 29 14:34
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ender2070	LOL	Dec 29 14:36
amarsh04	is it legal for someone with an open ham radio licence to do that oiaohm?	Dec 29 14:36
MinceR	it was to be expected, considering that GSM is built on algorithms that weren't properly peer reviewed	Dec 29 14:36
MinceR	time to move to UMTS	Dec 29 14:36
oiaohm	Yes amarsh04	Dec 29 14:37
oiaohm	open ham radio licence people are allows to listen to all freqs and process what is there.	Dec 29 14:37
oiaohm	Getting a open ham radio licence is not simple. You must have the skill to build a radio from scratch and know how to do morse well.	Dec 29 14:38
oiaohm	Simple fact in case of war ham radio operatoers are useful items.	Dec 29 14:39
oiaohm	I have know of some open ham radio guys hacking stuff like sat pay tv. It is legal for them.	Dec 29 14:40
oiaohm	They are not allowed to disasmbe the pay tv box to work out how it works.	Dec 29 14:41
oiaohm	Basically if a open ham radio operatior is snooping on you. Your encrytion was lacking.	Dec 29 14:42
oiaohm	Ie your fault not theirs.	Dec 29 14:42
MinceR	that's how it should apply to everyone	Dec 29 14:43
MinceR	none of this "it's illegal, so you're safe" bullshit	Dec 29 14:43
oiaohm	Open Ham operators have rules.	Dec 29 14:43
oiaohm	They must inform that they have breached.	Dec 29 14:43
oiaohm	That is of course if they can locate who they breached and that that person is from the same country they are.	Dec 29 14:44
oiaohm	Ie snooping for you own gain and not telling I would kinda call illegal MinceR	Dec 29 14:45
MinceR	i'm pretty sure "kinda illegal" is not a legalese category :>	Dec 29 14:46
amarsh04	"the vibe" of the law to quote "The Castle"	Dec 29 14:46
oiaohm	MinceR: Ie uninformed survalance is not allowed by law MinceR	Dec 29 14:47
oiaohm	Unless you have a judges approval.	Dec 29 14:47
MinceR	so what you said earlier isn't exactly true :>	Dec 29 14:47
oiaohm	Open Ham operaters don't do uninformed survalance	Dec 29 14:48
oiaohm	Once they got survalance working they inform	Dec 29 14:48
oiaohm	Ie without decoding the signal you cannot be 100 percent sure who you have MinceR	Dec 29 14:49
oiaohm	To be able to inform the right person you are doing survalance on them.	Dec 29 14:49
oiaohm	Yes the law around ham radio operators is warped.	Dec 29 14:50
MinceR	that isn't specific to ham radio operators	Dec 29 14:50
MinceR	the law is warped everywhere	Dec 29 14:50
oiaohm	open ham radio operationers have a licence to use any unused freqs in the full radio spectrum.	Dec 29 14:51
oiaohm	And are allowed to snoop around to find new unused area and then decode and identify if the people who are there should be.	Dec 29 14:52
oiaohm	Basically if you are broadcasting on a freq without approve and you are eating in the the freq they can use they have the right to come after you.	Dec 29 14:53
oiaohm	The old style unpaid police assistants of all MinceR. They are left overs of an age gone by.	Dec 29 14:55
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schestowitz	MinceR: nmap is illegal now, so nobody will download or compile it. Good riddance to that threat.	Dec 29 15:05
schestowitz	After all, nmap users always abide by the law, especially the malicious ones	Dec 29 15:05
MinceR	yeah, just like firearms.	Dec 29 15:06
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schestowitz	With firearms it's different	Dec 29 15:19
schestowitz	You can do house searches and confiscate weapons	Dec 29 15:19
schestowitz	They are manufactured, not duplicated	Dec 29 15:20
schestowitz	With nmap, if one person keeps a copy, it never dies	Dec 29 15:20
schestowitz	You'd have to kill all the drafts and burn all the books, so to speak	Dec 29 15:20
schestowitz	The idea of "killing" Free software is thus rather outlandish	Dec 29 15:20
amarsh04	oops, missed oiaohm	Dec 29 15:31
amarsh04	reply from a ham operator:	Dec 29 15:31
amarsh04	> That is true in the US. There is a law that makes it a felony to listen in on any phone call, including cellular ones.	Dec 29 15:31
amarsh04	> Without permission of one of the participants of the call, of course.	Dec 29 15:31
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DaemonFC	I've got a few interested buyers for my XBOX 360	Dec 29 15:32
DaemonFC	that thing will offset the purchase of a new Wii	Dec 29 15:32
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schestowitz	wiiiiiiiii	Dec 29 15:36
kecskebak	Found out something quite odd today. Adobe Premiere doesn't seem to like fonts created in FontForge. They work fine in the rest of the Adobe Creative Suite, but Premiere doesn't seem to like them at all	Dec 29 15:36
kecskebak	Apparently Premiere doesn't like "corrupt" fonts	Dec 29 15:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] #gwibber do seem to have created a lot of bad will and lost a lot of users with their changes		Dec 29 15:40
*amarsh04 wonders if the fontforge developers are aware of this and if they have any ideas on how to "clean" their fonts		Dec 29 15:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HDR #Benchmark Comes to #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg0OA		Dec 29 15:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Psystar Moves to #GNU #Linux http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3855486		Dec 29 15:45
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amarsh04	or if is a case of drm by stealth by Adobe	Dec 29 15:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive #GNU #Linux #Server Goes to #Tasmania http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/28/sgi_tasmanian_cluster/		Dec 29 15:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GIMP Move to Appease #Photoshop Junkies http://ur1.ca/iou4 http://ur1.ca/iou5		Dec 29 15:48
kecskebak	amarsh04: I don't believe the fonts are corrupt. I think the bug lies with Premiere	Dec 29 15:49
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kecskebak	FontForge is so strict on sticking to specifications it can be a real pain to export a font with no errors	Dec 29 15:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Gwibber and Some Financial Applications http://ur1.ca/iou6 http://ur1.ca/iou7 http://ur1.ca/iou8		Dec 29 15:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Gaming Specials for Christmas http://ur1.ca/ioud http://ur1.ca/ioue		Dec 29 15:51
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kecskebak	So I think something odd is going on	Dec 29 15:52
kecskebak	Probably incompetence, as the Premiere titler was a regular crasher until a fix recently	Dec 29 15:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AlienArena 7.33 is Released for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ioun http://ur1.ca/iouq		Dec 29 15:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Humans VS Dinosaurs (Primal Carnage), Heroes of Newerth Have New Versions http://ur1.ca/iouv http://ur1.ca/iouw		Dec 29 15:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at New #Sabayon #Linux Release for Gamers, #Entropy Features http://ur1.ca/ioux http://ur1.ca/iouy		Dec 29 15:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Foresees Expansion with #Linux #KVM http://www.crn.in/News-028Dec009-Red-Hat-To-Rev-Up-Partner-Network.aspx		Dec 29 15:56
DaemonFC	Sabayon is a nightmare to install	Dec 29 15:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look Back at a Decent Year for #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/iov2 http://ur1.ca/iov3		Dec 29 15:57
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amarsh04	I should be err "testing" some gnu/linux games on the new pc to see which would be suitable for Miss 6	Dec 29 16:01
amarsh04	e.g. extremetuxracer, tuxkart, pingus...	Dec 29 16:01
amarsh04	she's outgrown gcompris by now	Dec 29 16:02
DaemonFC	well, this guy says he was calling about it for a friend who just got married	Dec 29 16:02
DaemonFC	so the guy is going to have to clear it with his wife	Dec 29 16:02
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 29 16:02
kecskebak	My two are into Repton	Dec 29 16:02
amarsh04	can't find that in Debian	Dec 29 16:03
DaemonFC	I was like "Honey, look what I just bought! An XBOX 360.......for BOTH of us of course!"	Dec 29 16:03
kecskebak	It's not free software. Unless you Google for Krepton which is an unofficial KDE version	Dec 29 16:03
amarsh04	ah, ok	Dec 29 16:03
kecskebak	www.superiorinteractive.com	Dec 29 16:03
kecskebak	works with WINE	Dec 29 16:03
amarsh04	kstars is good also, as it helps with identifying what is where in the sky	Dec 29 16:03
kecskebak	Repton is a big hit with the people in ChessBase as well	Dec 29 16:04
kecskebak	It's that sort of game	Dec 29 16:04
amarsh04	Miss 6 has played xboard a bit, but I'd like to have a chess engine she could play against that plays at a novice level	Dec 29 16:05
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kecskebak	http://xor.ovine.net/ is another good one. Not free software, but free as in beer and should work with WINE	Dec 29 16:05
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amarsh04	she liked frozen bubble too	Dec 29 16:05
kecskebak	http://imogen.ovine.net/ another good one - again should work with WINE. Free as in beer not speech.	Dec 29 16:05
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amarsh04	frozen bubble doesn't need hardware graphics acceleration either	Dec 29 16:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Plays Hardball with Ethics of #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/iovg http://ur1.ca/ia14		Dec 29 16:05
kecskebak	These are sort of educational play	Dec 29 16:05
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amarsh04	I had commander keen running in dosbox or dosemu also	Dec 29 16:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Has Games, Internet Prowess http://ur1.ca/iovj http://ur1.ca/iovk		Dec 29 16:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Ubuntu #Mozilla Partnership Would Make Sense http://www.buntfu.com/news,page,78,topic_id,content_pages		Dec 29 16:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of the #Openmoko #WikiReader and Some E-Readers Based on #Linux http://ur1.ca/iovm http://ur1.ca/iovn		Dec 29 16:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM -based Sub-notebooks to Hit the Market with #GNU #Linux , #Google http://ur1.ca/iovs		Dec 29 16:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #GNU #Linux -based Machine Impresses with Leaked Specifications http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/28/googlebook_rumor/		Dec 29 16:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Wins the #Grammys (Grammys Choose Free Software for #CMS Platform) http://buytaert.net/grammys-using-drupal		Dec 29 16:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Forbes Covers and Daemonises Collaboration in Development http://ur1.ca/iovz		Dec 29 16:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GPLv3 -licensed Maker 1.0 is Out, #Icinga Core 1.0 Now in Alpha http://ur1.ca/iow4 http://ur1.ca/iow5		Dec 29 16:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCC Blasts Gates' Greedy Foundation for Imposing Dangerous #GMO on Farmers ( #Monsanto ) http://ur1.ca/iowh		Dec 29 16:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Security Fail: #GSM Cracked http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8429233.stm		Dec 29 16:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Censorship - Demi Moore Conceals Truth http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/28/demi-moores-lawyers.html		Dec 29 16:31
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schestowitz	tessier: do you know what suddenly cause the high load?	Dec 29 16:34
schestowitz	I'm not sure if it's bots. It was well under 1.0 an hour ago and now it skyrockets again	Dec 29 16:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Fought with #LiveDVD s http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0124587508.shtml		Dec 29 16:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Freedom Cast as a Birthright http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/dec/281209-software-activists-Pune-Techie-Group.htm #freesoftware		Dec 29 16:39
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: It's still the law in Indiana that writing a bad check can get you a public flogging with up to 20 lashes	Dec 29 16:49
DaemonFC	:D	Dec 29 16:49
DaemonFC	I wonder if they started enforcing that, how low the bad check writing cases would drop	Dec 29 16:50
DaemonFC	I'm now officially an advocate for bringing back public flogging	Dec 29 16:51
DaemonFC	child molesters and rapists should get 500 lashes in addition to their prison sentence	Dec 29 16:51
DaemonFC	when I am king, being flogged to death will be the new method of execution	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> Save it in case it disappears ..	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> -------	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	>	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> Richard Williams testimony in Caldera vs Microsoft (1998)	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 26 2009 @ 01:42 PM EST	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> wget http://ia311511.us.archive.org/2/items/Richard_Williams_testimony_in_Caldera_v_M	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> icrosoft_1998/Richard_Williams_testimony_1998_small.ogg ..	Dec 29 16:52
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schestowitz	>	Dec 29 16:52
schestowitz	> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009122612211929	Dec 29 16:52
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: One woman called me an hour ago about the 360	Dec 29 16:53
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DaemonFC	and explained she was on unemployment and her son's birthday was Monday	Dec 29 16:53
DaemonFC	and she asked me to take a post-dated check	Dec 29 16:53
DaemonFC	I of course refused	Dec 29 16:53
DaemonFC	that's what brought me to looking up bad check laws	Dec 29 16:54
DaemonFC	Why would I risk taking a bad check when someone will eventually show up with the full amount in cash? :P	Dec 29 16:54
DaemonFC	in fact, I'm not even going to take a check unless they come with me to my bank while I cash it	Dec 29 16:55
schestowitz	checks will be history	Dec 29 16:55
DaemonFC	eventually	Dec 29 16:55
schestowitz	phased out here in 210 years	Dec 29 16:55
schestowitz	*10	Dec 29 16:56
DaemonFC	I don't feel like taking someone to small claims court over a couple hundred dollars	Dec 29 16:56
DaemonFC	and then get stiffed even if I do get the ruling	Dec 29 16:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The scene in Liar Liar where the impound lots scratched his car....	Dec 29 16:58
DaemonFC	left an impression on me :P	Dec 29 16:58
schestowitz	bbl gym	Dec 29 17:00
DaemonFC	Carey "You know what I'm gonna do?" Impound worker: "What?" Carey: "Nothing, that's what. Cause if I take you to small claims court you're probably not even going to show up, it'll drain 8 hours out of my life, and even if I get the judge to give me the ruling you'll just stiff me anyway! So what I'm going to do is piss and moan like an impotent jerk, then bend over and take it up the...	Dec 29 17:01
DaemonFC	...tailpipe!" Impound Worker: "Been here before, haven't you?"	Dec 29 17:01
DaemonFC	yeah, I remember that scene pretty well :)	Dec 29 17:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxqLgORzmdE	Dec 29 17:02
DaemonFC	best movie ever	Dec 29 17:02
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riRt1kYBh38&NR=1	Dec 29 17:09
shreddar	I don't understand how all these news sites can parrot this rumor that Google will sell it's own devices. (netbooks/smartphones)	Dec 29 17:09
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shreddar	I guess it can be one of those thing like the Kindle.	Dec 29 17:11
shreddar	Amazon isn't exactly in the hardware business but they still put out the kindle directly.	Dec 29 17:12
shreddar	Of course Google isn't a online retailer they are a advertising company.	Dec 29 17:13
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shreddar	I can see google internally working with the hardware because they wan't to do extensive testing on the target hardware.	Dec 29 17:15
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shreddar	I believed they were doing that before all of these rumors though.	Dec 29 17:15
ender2070__	"Boy, you’re now part of the “faux” community..! Welcome! Well written article, good research, my compliments." -Hans Bezemer (The Beez, Comment on my blog)	Dec 29 17:16
shreddar	We've already known about the specific hardware requirements for along time now. It make sense they would be working with actual hardware during development.	Dec 29 17:17
shreddar	Plus all Android devices have been Google branded. So that not new either.	Dec 29 17:18
shreddar	The only thing that is out of place is the idea Google would try to sell directly the devices when they can just let their OEM partners do it. With out the risk of entering a entirely different business of hardware sales.	Dec 29 17:20
shreddar	I could be wrong on this but I seriously doubt Google will sell either of the devices directly.	Dec 29 17:23
shreddar	I imagine it's another standard form factor they are testing before they give the specs to the OEMs.	Dec 29 17:25
shreddar	I think MS has been doing similar thing with OEMs since Win95.	Dec 29 17:26
shreddar	They simply dictating what hardware the OEMs will need to be Chrome OS compatible.	Dec 29 17:27
shreddar	They are making sure everything works in the best possible manner.	Dec 29 17:28
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DaemonFC	http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/vgm/1528512475.html	Dec 29 17:43
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DaemonFC	well, the XBOX 360 and all its games will get me a Wii console :P	Dec 29 18:04
DaemonFC	part of me feels like I'm selling my birthright for a mess of pottage :P	Dec 29 18:04
shreddar	It's for Mario Bros. 5 isn't it?	Dec 29 18:06
DaemonFC	meh, I'm just sick of the XBOX 360	Dec 29 18:06
DaemonFC	it has "failed me for the last time"	Dec 29 18:06
DaemonFC	:)	Dec 29 18:06
DaemonFC	let the unit go crazy on someone else next time it decides to fry itself and go E74	Dec 29 18:07
DaemonFC	I'm really probably getting a great price for the used Ford Pinto of gaming consoles	Dec 29 18:07
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX-Zk_LNZWg	Dec 29 18:08
DaemonFC	:P	Dec 29 18:08
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DaemonFC	"So you won't be pushed around by the wind (like the import cars)"	Dec 29 18:10
DaemonFC	nice	Dec 29 18:10
shreddar	"Turning a product into a platform perpetuates and broadens the success of the product. This is because writing code to support even one platform is hard; writing code to support multiple, alternative platforms is exponentially more difficult. This leads developers to choose between alternative platforms, and (ideally) choose one over all others. This choice, once made, is not easily changed; code written to one platform	Dec 29 18:13
shreddar	In effect, once a developer chooses a platform, the developer is “locked in” to that platform.	Dec 29 18:14
shreddar	"	Dec 29 18:14
shreddar	I decided to read it after ender started posting about it.	Dec 29 18:16
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DaemonFC	I think Microsoft has sold me their last console	Dec 29 18:17
DaemonFC	87.5% failure rate (on mine) is not even excusable	Dec 29 18:18
shreddar	I don't know how you can sell it to somebody in awareness of such an issue.	Dec 29 18:19
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DaemonFC	same way a used car salesman sleeps at night knowing what he sold you won't last another 10,000 miles	Dec 29 18:20
DaemonFC	as long as it runs longer than the lemon law covers it (7 days), he's made money	Dec 29 18:21
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DaemonFC	my XBOX 360 somehow senses when I've jsut bought a new video game	Dec 29 18:39
DaemonFC	and 20 minutes into it, the console fails	Dec 29 18:39
DaemonFC	that's how it works	Dec 29 18:40
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DaemonFC	Craigslist beats the crap out of ebay	Dec 29 18:44
DaemonFC	I would have had to get the bidding for that lot up to like $220 just to make $180	Dec 29 18:44
DaemonFC	after shipping, and ebay and paypal fees	Dec 29 18:44
DaemonFC	if I only sold it at $180 on ebay, I'd only make about $150	Dec 29 18:45
DaemonFC	they scalp you with fees for every step of the way	Dec 29 18:45
DaemonFC	listing fee, selling fee, fee to get your money deposited in PayPal, fee to have PayPal write you a check	Dec 29 18:46
DaemonFC	and then there's the $20 or so to ship the damned thing	Dec 29 18:46
DaemonFC	then the customer could be a psychotic asshole who finds a minor flaw in what you sold him/her and file a dispute and leave you with bad feedback	Dec 29 18:47
shreddar	http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=516	Dec 29 18:47
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shreddar	Some of those comments are just ridiculous.	Dec 29 18:48
shreddar	"Is everything that comes out of Microsoft inherently malicious? Why can’t the FOSS community freely embrace the good things from Microsoft while righteously scorning the bad? Judging by the growing number of applications written in Mono, it must not be a half-bad language. Microsoft may choose to look at that as a platform victory if the so choose, but I think it is really a victory for the Free Software community who	Dec 29 18:49
shreddar	"This article is a mishmash of paranioa, ignorance, hyprocrisy and blatant lies. Of course, just like any other company or special interest group, Microsoft have a self serving agenda, but the author allows their paranioa to overwhelm rationality."	Dec 29 18:50
shreddar	That was a very thorough and clear blog post. None of it comes out as paranoia.	Dec 29 18:57
shreddar	The other guy is just ignoring the patent traps loading in to the Mono/Moonlight platforms.	Dec 29 19:00
DaemonFC	Banshee is the only decent application that runs on Mono	Dec 29 19:02
shreddar	Even if there was no chance of a lawsuit they clearly still have confessed to intentionally wanting to lock-in people to their standards. So yes. basically everything from Microsoft is bad.	Dec 29 19:03
DaemonFC	I shined up the hard disk and controllers on that 360	Dec 29 19:03
DaemonFC	it all looks new	Dec 29 19:04
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Omar87	Hi all	Dec 29 19:35
schestowitz	ender2070: I was almost alone vs mono in 2006	Dec 29 19:45
schestowitz	others kept quiet	Dec 29 19:45
schestowitz	wb, Omar87	Dec 29 19:45
Omar87	schestowitz: hey	Dec 29 19:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza !!		Dec 29 20:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DRI CEO: “The Biggest Risk Was That Microsoft Would Come Hell-Bent to Destroy Us" http://ur1.ca/ipa1		Dec 29 20:20
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Canada is slowly disconnecting itself from the #Internet http://ur1.ca/ipaf #douchebags #politics #theyesmen		Dec 29 20:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Organisation of Boycott Novell Contents Over Xmas: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/29/site-christmas-errands/		Dec 29 20:40
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DaemonFC	it's done	Dec 29 20:41
DaemonFC	no more 360	Dec 29 20:41
cubezzz	"You can’t make a funny successful ad to sell Microsoft, it is like trying to sell cancer"	Dec 29 20:42
cubezzz	yay	Dec 29 20:42
cubezzz	No more Microsoft at all then?	Dec 29 20:42
DaemonFC	I came down on my $200 price a little	Dec 29 20:43
DaemonFC	I felt bad for that woman that was on unemployment and trying to get her kid something for his birthday	Dec 29 20:43
DaemonFC	so I turned down some people offering me the $200 for it and waited on her to come here with the $180	Dec 29 20:44
DaemonFC	it's not bad for a newly refurbished console, 20 games, and 3 months of Live Gold I guess	Dec 29 20:44
DaemonFC	I'm just sorry I put up with all the bad consoles and had so much of my money in the damned thing	Dec 29 20:45
DaemonFC	by the time they fixed them I was already burned out on the idea of having one in my home	Dec 29 20:46
cubezzz	wow, the google netbook looks very interesting	Dec 29 20:46
cubezzz	The Google netbook, it is reported, will run on Chrome OS (what else?) and will boast of a chipset from Nvidia's Tegra line and it will be powered by an ARM CPU (which reportedly performs better than Intel Atom and consumes less power)	Dec 29 20:46
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DaemonFC	cubezzz: You heard me talking about the idiot that tried to trade my 360 for his old Pentium 4 laptop with 256 megs of RAM and Windows XP, right?	Dec 29 20:49
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cubezzz	no I didn't	Dec 29 20:49
cubezzz	Richard Williams, yeah I listened to his testimony	Dec 29 20:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Seattle -based PCC Natural Markets Slams the #GatesFoundation for Its #Monsanto Agenda http://ur1.ca/ipcu		Dec 29 21:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Apparently the police have forced #torturegarden to cancel NYE, on some ludicrous pretext. Anyone got info?		Dec 29 21:12
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DaemonFC	cubezzz: Not Microsoft-free, still have Windows XP and Windows 7	Dec 29 21:17
DaemonFC	I think one of the more annoying things about the 360 is the external hard drive	Dec 29 21:20
DaemonFC	cause now games have to be written with the assumption that there's nothing to cache to	Dec 29 21:20
DaemonFC	some will use it if it's there	Dec 29 21:20
cubezzz	schestowitz, "and they I work for someone"	Dec 29 21:25
cubezzz	you need to add 'say' in there somewhere	Dec 29 21:25
cubezzz	"Subject: WinTrolls Distort What Linux Advocates Say, Then Attack Straw Men to Daemonise Them"	Dec 29 21:25
schestowitz	cubezzz: thanks	Dec 29 21:40
schestowitz	But it's a quote from USENET	Dec 29 21:40
schestowitz	Can't change that	Dec 29 21:40
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sebsebseb	hi	Dec 29 21:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Figured out where Verbal takes his nick; The Usual Suspects		Dec 29 21:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Racketeering with #Patents and Abolition of Software Patents Reexamined http://ur1.ca/ipf4		Dec 29 21:57
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schestowitz	"Only one carry on? No electronics for the first hour of flight? I wish that, just once, some terrorist would try something that you can only foil by upgrading the passengers to first class and giving them free drinks." http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/separating_expl.html	Dec 29 22:01
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schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/29/ghost-tweeting-the-real-phantom-menace-2?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 "Earlier in the year, Guy Kawasaki kind of got the search marketers buzzing about this a little bit at SES New York when he admitted he employs people to post updates on his Twitter account."	Dec 29 22:03
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schestowitz	Master shill	Dec 29 22:03
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2009/12/simmons-obama-emboldened-terrorists/	Dec 29 22:04
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schestowitz	FAUX!	Dec 29 22:04
schestowitz	http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49833	Dec 29 22:05
schestowitz	"U.S. intelligence has concluded that the document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper described as a "neutron initiator" for an atomic weapon, is a fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official."	Dec 29 22:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now running: Latest Chromium build (4.0.285.0)		Dec 29 22:09
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/27/us-terror-flight-abdulmutallab-charged RMS: "So what's an airplane doing with a flammable material in the cabin wall? That's what needs the attention."	Dec 29 22:09
schestowitz	http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/dic/exec-sum.aspx	Dec 29 22:13
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schestowitz	http://www.theplasticsurgerychannel.com/celebrity-plastic-surgery/charlie-sheen-take-it-all-off.html	Dec 29 22:21
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schestowitz	Hey, wallc_	Dec 29 22:21
wallc_	Hi, how are you today?	Dec 29 22:21
schestowitz	Your work is proving valuable to Groklaw	Dec 29 22:22
schestowitz	cday's too	Dec 29 22:22
wallc_	really? how?	Dec 29 22:22
schestowitz	They'll probably borrow some of our EDGI stuff	Dec 29 22:22
schestowitz	I spoke to PJ	Dec 29 22:22
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wallc_	:)	Dec 29 22:22
schestowitz	wallc_: are you subscribed to GPL? They do Comes now	Dec 29 22:22
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009122612211929	Dec 29 22:23
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wallc_	you mean Groklaw?	Dec 29 22:23
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wallc_	Yes, I've been a member almost from the start.	Dec 29 22:23
wallc_	I haven't had much time to visit GL lately tho.	Dec 29 22:24
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/29/paper_plane_record/	Dec 29 22:25
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schestowitz	wallc_: time off or hard time keeping up?	Dec 29 22:25
wallc_	work...work...work.	Dec 29 22:26
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schestowitz	http://numberedhumanindustries.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/im-not-feeling-lucky-my-grievances-with-the-potential-google-of-the-future/	Dec 29 22:30
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schestowitz	wallc_: someone sent me this.....	Dec 29 22:30
schestowitz	Billie blowing hot air, he said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD7317WL48Y	Dec 29 22:31
schestowitz	wallc_: make your work be seen like philanthropy, like Billie over there	Dec 29 22:31
wallc_	:)	Dec 29 22:32
schestowitz	But I guess for him it's also part of whitewashing a history of crime since young age when he sabotaged the computers to get time	Dec 29 22:32
schestowitz	I digress anyway...	Dec 29 22:32
schestowitz	The MSP thing is annoying omar	Dec 29 22:32
schestowitz	And I hear about it in other places	Dec 29 22:32
wallc_	yup, i'm a philanthropist...lol.	Dec 29 22:32
schestowitz	Microsoft bribes schools and calls it sponsorship, then turns kids to partners in crime. It's appalling	Dec 29 22:32
schestowitz	People do not protest because they clearly do not understand	Dec 29 22:33
schestowitz	wallc_: let me look up the definition..	Dec 29 22:33
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropist "Philanthropy is the effort or inclination to increase the well-being of humankind, as by charitable aid or donations." Now let's look at it closely:	Dec 29 22:34
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schestowitz	Monopoly abuse does not increase well-being, unless "humankind" is one company or person	Dec 29 22:34
schestowitz	aid and donation, does that include _investment_?	Dec 29 22:34
schestowitz	As in VC?	Dec 29 22:35
schestowitz	I guess it makes Citigroup a very large philanthropist. It lends money for returns, but unike G&M it actually does pay some tax	Dec 29 22:35
*schestowitz imagines wallc_ trying to get some work done and blowing hot air at that nuisance in IRC :-)		Dec 29 22:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Liverpool for the Premiership? 2 wins out of 2? lol		Dec 29 22:37
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schestowitz	Nvidia delays Fermi GPU chip http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567031/nvidia-delays-fermi-gpu-chip	Dec 29 22:40
cubezzz	it's easier for older ones to understand	Dec 29 22:48
cubezzz	I pretty much experienced the whole of Microsoft's influence first hand	Dec 29 22:48
cubezzz	it wasn't until fairly recently when I really clued in to all the bad stuff	Dec 29 22:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bing appears to be trying to pimp itself in partnership with LBC (IMO) funny that its not mention Bing comes from Microsoft #bing #microsoft		Dec 29 22:51
cubezzz	if you have no background in Unix at all, you could very well look at GNU/Linux and go "That's not for me"	Dec 29 22:51
cubezzz	as you may have been in the windows ecosystem all your life	Dec 29 22:51
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] ....Maybe MS believes that it might put people off knowing its a MS product? I wonder why that would be? ;) #microsoft #bing #fail		Dec 29 22:52
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schestowitz	_goblin: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-29-001-35-OP-MS-DV-0000	Dec 29 22:54
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schestowitz	"	Dec 29 22:54
schestowitz	Subject: Paid evangelism ( Dec 29, 2009, 16:32:15 )	Dec 29 22:54
schestowitz	I know several Microsoft paid evangelists. They always find a time to talk about how good is Windows 7 and so on. Taking a beer with their friends is also a good time.	Dec 29 22:54
schestowitz	They are very happy of being paid to do such tasks, because it is hard to measure productivity :) They selves laugh :)	Dec 29 22:54
schestowitz	I would love have a job as that! Easy money :)	Dec 29 22:54
schestowitz	"	Dec 29 22:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whats wrong with Wordpress RSS feed? An old article of mine has just popped up as if its been written today... #wordpress #fail		Dec 29 22:55
_goblin	Schestowitz: Sad world we live in where people are wanting to be paid for spreading lies.	Dec 29 22:55
cubezzz	it's really just ignorance	Dec 29 22:56
_goblin	talking of which..... We've not had a "Ballmer moment" for quite some time. Has he finally realized how silly he looks on TV?	Dec 29 22:57
cubezzz	maybe in some cases, MIcrosoft's inner circle, there's real malevolence	Dec 29 22:57
_goblin	I personally would love a sequel to the Monkeyboy Dance....	Dec 29 22:57
cubezzz	but the rest are just unknowledgeable	Dec 29 22:57
cubezzz	you have not experienced "Ballmer coming"? :)	Dec 29 22:58
_goblin	no....don't think so....	Dec 29 22:58
MinceR	ew	Dec 29 22:58
_goblin	sounds......horrible....	Dec 29 22:58
cubezzz	hahaha	Dec 29 22:58
_goblin	but probably comical	Dec 29 22:59
cubezzz	it was funny	Dec 29 22:59
_goblin	got a link?	Dec 29 22:59
schestowitz	http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691	Dec 29 22:59
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cubezzz	you asked for it:	Dec 29 22:59
schestowitz	_goblin: yes	Dec 29 22:59
cubezzz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_u1jPLOIA	Dec 29 22:59
schestowitz	_goblin: like Don Dodge	Dec 29 22:59
schestowitz	Liar-for-hire	Dec 29 22:59
_goblin	merci!	Dec 29 22:59
schestowitz	It even rhymes, sorta	Dec 29 22:59
_goblin	ah yes I saw that one.	Dec 29 23:00
_goblin	2006?	Dec 29 23:00
_goblin	"the bone doesn't fall out of our mouth easily.."	Dec 29 23:00
_goblin	lol, you couldn't make this stuff up	Dec 29 23:00
cubezzz	3 years ago, so probably	Dec 29 23:00
schestowitz	cubezzz: _goblin is the one organising all the parties	Dec 29 23:00
schestowitz	He ordered party pack for Vista 7 launch	Dec 29 23:01
schestowitz	And ebayed it	Dec 29 23:01
schestowitz	He "Celebrated FOSS"	Dec 29 23:01
_goblin	before I forget.....	Dec 29 23:01
cubezzz	stuff like that makes me nostalgic for Amiga	Dec 29 23:02
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_goblin	Roy, I believe you are the Wordpress expert?	Dec 29 23:02
wallc_	* schestowitz imagines wallc_ trying to get some work done...	Dec 29 23:03
_goblin	how do I set it up to automatically post at a certain time.? I have my new years post, but I won't be around to publish it....	Dec 29 23:04
wallc_	I enjoy IRC, but it's tough to keep up with the conversations...I work a while, then read some posts, then the phone rings and I get behind again...	Dec 29 23:05
wallc_	wallclimber's a slowpoke.	Dec 29 23:06
wallc_	:o)	Dec 29 23:06
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wallc_	I've seen that video of Bill Gates in Conversation with Matthew Bishop before.	Dec 29 23:07
wallc_	BillG is creepy...at least he seems that way to me.	Dec 29 23:07
schestowitz	_goblin: used to be more familiar with WordPress	Dec 29 23:09
schestowitz	Some considered me one of the core people :-)	Dec 29 23:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Terrorist group "Department of Homeland Security" brings US to a halt, again http://newstechnica.com/?p=1007		Dec 29 23:10
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schestowitz	_goblin: change time of post	Dec 29 23:10
schestowitz	Then it appears only at that type	Dec 29 23:10
schestowitz	WordPress main loop goes through all posts and only display what's past the current time	Dec 29 23:10
schestowitz	It used to be more complicated, maybe it's different now	Dec 29 23:10
schestowitz	wallc_: as long as you have highlighted messages that are addressed to you....	Dec 29 23:11
schestowitz	It means you're in the loop in real time.	Dec 29 23:11
_goblin	Cheers Roy!	Dec 29 23:11
schestowitz	wallc_: as a young man (maybe early 20s) he said he wants to control the world	Dec 29 23:12
schestowitz	It would take effort going through archives of computer mags from 25 years ago to find	Dec 29 23:12
schestowitz	A lot of people bury stuff behind them in the past, sometimes to be discovered much later	Dec 29 23:12
schestowitz	Like stories I've heard of Bill's bad relationship with his parents	Dec 29 23:12
cubezzz	bad relationship with humanity maybe? :)	Dec 29 23:13
schestowitz	Or politician's sex scandals	Dec 29 23:13
schestowitz	Hitler's grandpa apparently being Jewish... and so on..	Dec 29 23:13
schestowitz	cubezzz: for Gates it was a monopolistic vision	Dec 29 23:13
schestowitz	Judge Jackson Penfield PENNED it	Dec 29 23:13
schestowitz	But he grew up as an ultra-rich boy	Dec 29 23:14
_goblin	Maybe got something interesting.....	Dec 29 23:14
schestowitz	Vanity there is not like with others... like Ellison, who IIRC lived with a single monther	Dec 29 23:14
schestowitz	*mother	Dec 29 23:14
_goblin	there is a twitter user who was receiving much communication from De Icaza (and others)	Dec 29 23:14
_goblin	illiancyork	Dec 29 23:14
schestowitz	Mark Shuttleworth is a story of someone who rose with luck and skills	Dec 29 23:14
schestowitz	Not because he mommy knew some guy in IBM	Dec 29 23:15
schestowitz	And daddy's large law firm and political family could pull strings	Dec 29 23:15
_goblin	jilliancyork - no longer exists on Twitter. The part conversations Im looking at make interesting reading.	Dec 29 23:15
_goblin	scrub that....	Dec 29 23:16
_goblin	issue with twitter...	Dec 29 23:16
_goblin	account back up	Dec 29 23:16
cubezzz	he never talks about Stallman or Wikipedia, have you noticed that?	Dec 29 23:16
cubezzz	doesn't exist in his world	Dec 29 23:16
wallc_	It's not hard to imagine the Gates parents being difficult to grow up with. Sometimes successful parents place excessively high expectations on their kids...maybe Bill's just trying to gain "dad's" approval.	Dec 29 23:16
cubezzz	Gates and his father were on Charlie Rose together	Dec 29 23:17
wallc_	Some parents are just impossible to please...	Dec 29 23:17
wallc_	I remember the Charlie Rose interview...it was interesting.	Dec 29 23:18
schestowitz	"Genetic seeds are a fraud. ALL that does is give the seller the rights to a patent. Thereby making it illegal to collect the seeds from such..." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebusinessofgiving/2010572043_pcc_consumers_express_distaste.html?syndication=rss	Dec 29 23:18
phIRCe-local	Title: The Business of Giving \| PCC expresses distaste for Gates approach to agriculture \| Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 57.98 KB	Dec 29 23:18
cubezzz	was he really ultra-rich before Microsoft?	Dec 29 23:18
schestowitz	cubezzz: he does actually	Dec 29 23:18
schestowitz	gates talks about RMS	Dec 29 23:18
wallc_	cubezzz, yes, he was, indeed.	Dec 29 23:18
schestowitz	And Wikipedia at least once recently	Dec 29 23:18
cubezzz	any links?	Dec 29 23:19
schestowitz	Biographies	Dec 29 23:19
schestowitz	It's like Gore Vidal... coming from privileged families	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	To create expanded duynasties	Dec 29 23:20
shreddar	Venus PatentTrap	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	Just watch how many Rockefellers you have now in government, like governors	Dec 29 23:20
cubezzz	what did he say about RMS?	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	And Rothschilds in finance	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	cubezzz: can't recall exactly	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	Uber troll Nathan mentioned him too	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	They are very arrogant	Dec 29 23:20
schestowitz	He has many followers, they just have money	Dec 29 23:21
schestowitz	Same with Linus, I reckon	Dec 29 23:21
schestowitz	They'll wear their suits and board private jets.... feeling kinda good about themselves, but they ought to be aware of whose expense it is that helps them get there	Dec 29 23:21
schestowitz	IIRC it was Washington who retired to some home in a state like Virginia and giving up his reign	Dec 29 23:22
cubezzz	I admire Tesla and Stallman myself	Dec 29 23:22
schestowitz	Which is rare, yet admirable	Dec 29 23:22
cubezzz	and K&R of course	Dec 29 23:22
schestowitz	cubezzz: I saw a blog commemorating Tesla today	Dec 29 23:22
schestowitz	Something like an anniversary or something... 50 years, I think	Dec 29 23:23
schestowitz	It was in a blog post about FOSS	Dec 29 23:23
schestowitz	http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/28/cnet.mozilla.firefox.upgrades/index.html?eref=rss_tech&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_tech+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29	Dec 29 23:23
phIRCe-local	Title: Mozilla pushes back Firefox deadlines - CNN.com .::. Size~: 51.5 KB	Dec 29 23:23
shreddar	Free Energy is kinda like Free Software I guess.	Dec 29 23:24
wallc_	Ha, I'd forgotten about this one. This is BillG answering questions and someone asks him about SCO...funny. http://bit.ly/4AWoPb	Dec 29 23:26
phIRCe-local	Title: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates .::. Size~: 38.84 KB	Dec 29 23:26
wallc_	He also is asked about software patents.	Dec 29 23:26
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wallc_	Must run, have a small emergency happening here...bye for now, take care	Dec 29 23:27
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jose_X	hey schestowitz, I have a question	Dec 29 23:27
schestowitz	I wrote about it a long time ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/25/baystar-acacia-sco-linux-lies/	Dec 29 23:28
phIRCe-local	Title: An Issue of Mistrust: Bill Gates, BayStar, Acacia, SCO, and Linux \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 134.91 KB	Dec 29 23:28
schestowitz	Hey, jose_X, what's up?	Dec 29 23:28
schestowitz	http://www.mathrubhumi.org/news.php?id=28258	Dec 29 23:28
phIRCe-local	Title: Mathrubhumi - English News - 141 Kerala legislators get a laptop .::. Size~: 16.83 KB	Dec 29 23:28
schestowitz	Leeeeeeeeeenocsh.....	Dec 29 23:29
cubezzz	did you see the google netbook announcement?	Dec 29 23:29
cubezzz	ARM based	Dec 29 23:29
jose_X	i was hearing the interview with the x digital research and novell exec (drdos)	Dec 29 23:29
shreddar	Bill Gates: I see NOTHZINK! I know NOTHZINK!	Dec 29 23:29
cubezzz	Schulz! :)	Dec 29 23:29
schestowitz	Did you see http://www.pcworld.com/article/185561/nokia_files_itc_patent_complaint_against_apple.html?tk=rss_news ?	Dec 29 23:30
phIRCe-local	Title: Nokia Files ITC Patent Complaint Against Apple - PC World .::. Size~: 65.62 KB	Dec 29 23:30
schestowitz	cubezzz: yes, I love the idea of ARM based	Dec 29 23:30
schestowitz	Imagine chrome OS talking about 10 hours and subsidised	Dec 29 23:30
jose_X	i stopped at the point where novell was holding down drdos plan because of merger talks novell was having with microsoft... 1998 time frame I think	Dec 29 23:30
schestowitz	THen Ballmer comes laughing like he did on the iPhone and talking about some Toshiba rubbush running XP for $500	Dec 29 23:30
cubezzz	aside from GNU/Linux and Mac, what other competitor does windows have?	Dec 29 23:31
schestowitz	ANd lasting 3 hours... for battery	Dec 29 23:31
cubezzz	GEM was DRI btw	Dec 29 23:31
schestowitz	jose_X: what do you make of it?	Dec 29 23:31
cubezzz	I heard all that stuff too	Dec 29 23:32
schestowitz	cubezzz: many	Dec 29 23:32
schestowitz	You think desktop	Dec 29 23:32
cubezzz	true	Dec 29 23:32
schestowitz	Apple has some iRubbish for servers	Dec 29 23:32
schestowitz	Nobody buys it, it's a flop	Dec 29 23:32
jose_X	that was the point i stopped because I was surprised. it seems novell has been involved in buying out a number of products to compete with microsoft..	Dec 29 23:32
schestowitz	Like their Apple TV thing	Dec 29 23:32
jose_X	or perhaps to bury then through proxy.	Dec 29 23:32
jose_X	or both	Dec 29 23:32
schestowitz	Naaa....	Dec 29 23:33
shreddar	Adobe	Dec 29 23:33
jose_X	i was just surprised.. i now have a cliffhanger to get back to after i take a break	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	Novell under Noorda?	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	And Schmidt?	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	No way	Dec 29 23:33
shreddar	Nokia	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	Even Messman distrusted them	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	Ronnie took just months to start talking to Ballmer and his gangsters	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	Just months	Dec 29 23:33
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/185554/Psystar_Halts_Sales_of_Mac_Tool_Will_Peddle_Linux_PCs.html?tk=rss_news	Dec 29 23:34
phIRCe-local	Title: Psystar Halts Sales of Mac Tool, Will Peddle Linux PCs - PC World .::. Size~: 70.38 KB	Dec 29 23:34
jose_X	yeah, trust level was different i suppose	Dec 29 23:34
cubezzz	DRI gets rolled into Novell, then Novell gets rolled into.... Microsoft??	Dec 29 23:34
shreddar	Open Web Standard	Dec 29 23:35
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shreddar	Customers	Dec 29 23:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FTweather. Tomorrow I work from home. (And then date with @nyecamden.)		Dec 29 23:37
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cubezzz	"OK, the CEO of one of the most powerful software companies does not know who else it is playing with "SCO" I find that very hard to believe"	Dec 29 23:39
jose_X	btw, i stopped when the clock in the video showed around 16:45:xx (sept 22 1998)	Dec 29 23:39
schestowitz	cubezzz: from Groklaw?	Dec 29 23:41
schestowitz	Or Kennedy?	Dec 29 23:41
schestowitz	Or comments in his blog?	Dec 29 23:41
schestowitz	Or maybe BN...	Dec 29 23:41
schestowitz	I wrote it over 2 years ago	Dec 29 23:41
shreddar	Bill Gates: I have no idea were my penis is. Do you know?	Dec 29 23:41
schestowitz	Nobody knows	Dec 29 23:42
cubezzz	no, this:	Dec 29 23:42
schestowitz	Melinda gets gigolos :-)	Dec 29 23:42
cubezzz	http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html	Dec 29 23:42
phIRCe-local	Title: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates .::. Size~: 38.84 KB	Dec 29 23:42
schestowitz	OK, that...	Dec 29 23:42
schestowitz	At least he asked him	Dec 29 23:42
schestowitz	Niall worked for Microsoft a little later or maybe just before	Dec 29 23:42
schestowitz	Just before IIRC	Dec 29 23:43
schestowitz	He quit and said the company was too large to manage	Dec 29 23:43
schestowitz	He spent time trying to recruit	Dec 29 23:43
schestowitz	Around RSS	Dec 29 23:43
schestowitz	He gave up	Dec 29 23:43
schestowitz	http://www.cognitionandculture.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=559:conversation-hackers-trolls-argumentation&catid=32:oliviers-blog&Itemid=34	Dec 29 23:44
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/29/firefox_3_6_delayed/	Dec 29 23:45
phIRCe-local	Title: Firefox 3.6 hits ice - won't show up till Spring • The Register .::. Size~: 24.37 KB	Dec 29 23:45
_goblin	Interesting article:	Dec 29 23:46
_goblin	Quote "We think Windows 7 is going to be the last really big refresh, in-mass, of the Windows client environment as we have known it for the last decade plus."	Dec 29 23:46
_goblin	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/121609-microsoft-windows7.html?hpg1=bn	Dec 29 23:46
schestowitz	Wow. What a lousy 'article' http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/12/29/is-google-aiming-to-be-a-hardware-vendor-/	Dec 29 23:48
phIRCe-local	Title: Is Google aiming to be the next Apple? - Notebooks - Crave - CNET Asia .::. Size~: 38.7 KB	Dec 29 23:48
shreddar	But but Digital Convergence! But but PC Plus Era!	Dec 29 23:48
schestowitz	_goblin: it's Gillen the kook	Dec 29 23:48
schestowitz	I just ignore his inflammatory paid-for junk	Dec 29 23:48
schestowitz	_goblin: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+gillen&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB	Dec 29 23:49
phIRCe-local	Title: site:boycottnovell.com gillen - Google Search .::. Size~: 24.69 KB	Dec 29 23:49
schestowitz	cubezzz: re http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html	Dec 29 23:50
phIRCe-local	Title: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates .::. Size~: 38.84 KB	Dec 29 23:50
schestowitz	http://www.niallkennedy.com/about/ he got fat	Dec 29 23:50
phIRCe-local	Title: About Niall Kennedy .::. Size~: 10.78 KB	Dec 29 23:50
schestowitz	Also uses a Mac after working for MSFT LOL	Dec 29 23:50
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10422337-92.html	Dec 29 23:53
phIRCe-local	Title: Verizon sees rise of 'slate' computers in 2010 \| Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 81.61 KB	Dec 29 23:53
schestowitz	Verizon signs $500m deal with Microsoft, then mocks Linux...	Dec 29 23:53
schestowitz	http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ylmf-os-ubuntu-windows-xp,9324.html	Dec 29 23:54
phIRCe-local	Title: Chinese Make Ubuntu That Looks Like Win XP - Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 106.33 KB	Dec 29 23:54
jose_X	microsoft is calling windows 7 a "refresh"? is that an admission that sales have been disappointed (customers yawning)?	Dec 29 23:54
shreddar	"Ubuntu has not been as successful as expected in mobile devices."	Dec 29 23:55
shreddar	Weezle words	Dec 29 23:55
schestowitz	http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/29/happy-birthday-linus-torvalds/	Dec 29 23:55
phIRCe-local	Title: Happy Birthday, Linus Torvalds! .::. Size~: 37.97 KB	Dec 29 23:55
schestowitz	_goblin: when is your 40th?	Dec 29 23:55
schestowitz	jose_X: they expected it	Dec 29 23:55
shreddar	How successful was Ubuntu expected to be?	Dec 29 23:55
schestowitz	Ballmer said it would not sell terribly well	Dec 29 23:56
schestowitz	And he was right	Dec 29 23:56
schestowitz	But his PR bunnies lied	Dec 29 23:56
schestowitz	Cause they have to	Dec 29 23:56
schestowitz	shreddar: depends who you ask	Dec 29 23:56
schestowitz	_goblin: Linus is your senior, right?	Dec 29 23:56
schestowitz	shreddar: Ubuntu is Chrome OS in a sense	Dec 29 23:57
schestowitz	He'll eat humble pie, thus Ullen or whatever he was called	Dec 29 23:57
jose_X	yes, you posted on him saying nothing would match vista.. i think he was playing conservative with hope of a "surprise" but perhaps was eventually surprised/disappointed to find it was true.	Dec 29 23:58
jose_X	schestowitz..	Dec 29 23:58
shreddar	In a sense all browsers (except IE) are Chrome OS.	Dec 29 23:58
schestowitz	Heh. you know what I realised?	Dec 29 23:59
schestowitz	Linus and UNIX turn 40 on the same yar	Dec 29 23:59
_goblin	schestowitz: Sorry afk....yet Linus is my senior....my dob 14/08/1975	Dec 29 23:59
schestowitz	jose_X: yes, let me find it	Dec 29 23:59
schestowitz	It was on WIlcoxwatch	Dec 29 23:59
shreddar	Isn't UNIX older than Linux though?	Dec 29 23:59

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