| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard if it's any consolation, IE7 is now a browser, it's a hack/component of win32 ;-) | Jan 02 00:00 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3L8sLbfCPs | Jan 02 00:04 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: Ive seen Ballmer put his makeup on better than that! http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20080626/300.simmons.kiss.062608.jpg | Jan 02 00:04 |
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| cubezzz | is simmons still doing the kiss thing? | Jan 02 00:06 |
| cubezzz | they started in 1972, wow, that's longevity | Jan 02 00:12 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.3 on #GNU #Linux with #Compiz Fusion 8.2 (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/01/kde-4-3-on-gnu-linux-demo/ #playogg | Jan 02 00:33 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: he was incarnated :-) | Jan 02 00:33 |
| *schestowitz reckons _goblin wear KISS-esque makeup when out to the local pub ! | Jan 02 00:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/01/tsa-nominees-data-snooping/ | Jan 02 00:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin wallclimber reads you now http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/happy-new-year-2010/ similar readers to BN... | Jan 02 00:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard see http://ur1.ca/ivop | Jan 02 00:39 | |
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| schestowitz | " The EcoMill is an all “green” manually powered treadmill that uses zero electricity. The EcoMill is completely self-contained and utilizes a battery to power the display and elevation systems. The user actually generates electricity while they are exercising which re-charges the battery." http://www.woodway.com/commercialtreadmills/ecomill.html | Jan 02 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2009/12/remembering-y2k/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ICringely+%28I%2C+Cringely%29 | Jan 02 00:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Remembering Y2K - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 55.64 KB | Jan 02 00:45 |
| schestowitz | "So I was Public Enemy Number One in October, 1999 for suggesting that Y2K would turn out to be no big deal. And what happened in January, when it became clear that my show was 100 percent correct? Nothing. Not a single e-mail came to me from any of those people." | Jan 02 00:45 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: ;) ah you saw me last week then...... in my WWE costume.....Goldust - http://media.photobucket.com/image/goldust/hudson_lowboy/Goldust_011.jpg | Jan 02 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/25842 | Jan 02 00:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Moon hole might be suitable for colony" http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/space/01/01/moon.lava.hole/index.html The Moon is still quite small | Jan 02 00:53 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42187#comment-12664 | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:57 |
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| schestowitz | Based on these results, Tux Machines readers are optimists. | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | 2010 will be a good year... for China, Singapore, Taiwan... | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 02 00:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/01/youtube-rush-limbaugh-says-nothing-was-wrong?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 "It makes you wonder if the thousands of hysterical people wishing Rush Limbaugh death on Twitter are feeling a little foolish. Probably not. :)" | Jan 02 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/30/liberal-twitter-users-rejoice-at-rush-limbaughs-hospitalization | Jan 02 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Bane117: Rush Limbaugh rushed to hospital w/ chest pains. Santa actually listened this year." | Jan 02 01:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/tsa-withdraws-subpoenas/ | Jan 02 01:26 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 2 01:38:40 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Jan 02 01:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jan 02 01:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Jan 02 01:38 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Jan 02 01:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I saw....Nice comment....Makes it worthwhile spending my time on my blog. | Jan 02 01:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin good comment here (just noticed) http://ur1.ca/ivv2 How did that junk get into LXer? | Jan 02 01:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "A suburban Chicago police officer Tasered a man 11 times while he was having a diabetic seizure" http://ur1.ca/ivv9 | Jan 02 02:00 | |
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| cubezzz | what | Jan 02 02:03 |
| cubezzz | what is a good graphing program for Linux? | Jan 02 02:03 |
| schestowitz | dia? | Jan 02 02:06 |
| schestowitz | gnuplot? | Jan 02 02:06 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 02 02:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/01/iran.moussavi/index.html | Jan 02 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://nymag.com/restaurants/features/62498/ | Jan 02 02:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3576.en.html | Jan 02 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | Irving's blog is underrated, IMHO. http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2010/01/blogging-as-an-exercise-of-the-brain.html | Jan 02 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEcat5/LEcatalog.html | Jan 02 02:34 |
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| schestowitz | What is the space temperature very far away from the stars? | Jan 02 02:36 |
| amarsh04 | temperature is a property of matter, so it's a bit difficult to talk of the temperature of empty space | Jan 02 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. | Jan 02 02:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-temperature-in-space.htm | Jan 02 02:37 |
| schestowitz | "The short answer is that the temperature in space is approximately 2.725 Kelvin. That means the universe is generally just shy of three degrees above absolute zero – the temperature at which molecules themselves stop moving. That’s almost -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit. " | Jan 02 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I thought so, but surely to a human there's a sense of it | Jan 02 02:37 |
| amarsh04 | I watched an animation earlier today on JPL's site on the temperature of Saturn's rings as the rings approached going edge on to the sun | Jan 02 02:39 |
| amarsh04 | most of the temperatures were below 100 K (-173 C) | Jan 02 02:40 |
| amarsh04 | I suppose also there is the concept of the background radiation from the big bang, which would heat any matter far away from stars to that 2.7 K temperature | Jan 02 02:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Im not sure. Theres been another article "20 Twitter apps for Windows". Im wondering if Lxer is now listing Windows articles? | Jan 02 02:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right thats me done for today. Good night all..... | Jan 02 02:46 | |
| schestowitz | Good news from Munich. http://pogson.6k.ca/2009/12/31/gnulinux-migration-in-munich-is-in-good-shape/ | Jan 02 02:47 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jan 02 02:47 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin yes, I noticed that 1 minute after I had pinged you. Weird! | Jan 02 02:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2010 starts on a good note: http://pogson.6k.ca/2009/12/31/gnulinux-migration-in-munich-is-in-good-shape/ | Jan 02 02:49 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, I went with dia, gnucash and grace for the customer | Jan 02 02:52 |
| cubezzz | one of those programs should do what they want | Jan 02 02:52 |
| cubezzz | I'm pleased to hear the good news from Munich | Jan 02 02:55 |
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| cubezzz | it's interesting the overlap between BSD and GNU | Jan 02 06:22 |
| cubezzz | in a few cases there are programs that look very similar | Jan 02 06:23 |
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| cubezzz | wow, cspan is pretty conservative | Jan 02 08:23 |
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| mikec | Hey roy, its mike i am just leaving for the gym, i will be in there for 9.30, see you later | Jan 02 08:27 |
| mikec | Hey roy, its mike i am just leaving for the gym, i will be in there for 9.30, see you later | Jan 02 08:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH! @stephenfry is taking a break from twitter! What will the twitterverse do!? http://bit.ly/5EjE32 ;) #fb | Jan 02 09:50 | |
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| MinceR | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/01/233249/Irelands-Blasphemy-Law-Goes-Into-Effect?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 02 10:00 |
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| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/02/0247236/Using-Fourth-Party-Data-Brokers-To-Bypass-the-Fourth-Amendment?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 02 10:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Can the peeps with Droids do Jedi Mind Tricks at Customs? <wave hand>"These are not the droids you are looking for".</wave hand> | Jan 02 10:13 | |
| MinceR | blizzard doesn't respect the privacy of its users >> http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/01/02/0310211/Man-Tracked-Down-and-Arrested-Via-emWoWem?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 02 10:19 |
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| Zeusoft | Hi people, happy new year! | Jan 02 10:29 |
| *Zeusoft is now known as Murloc | Jan 02 10:39 | |
| Yfrwlf | aren't you a day late? Better late than never I guess ^^ | Jan 02 10:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Shows how out of touch on TV I am... Never knew there was a Superman IV! Never seen it before! | Jan 02 10:52 | |
| Yfrwlf | it probably sucks | Jan 02 10:53 |
| _goblin | Its definately got a "sucky" theme to it. | Jan 02 10:55 |
| _goblin | Interesting though that Ive never seen it.......or heard the story... | Jan 02 10:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interested in #ubuntu documentation? Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting on freenode at 11:00UTC about Ubuntu Manual http://bit.ly/7xileX | Jan 02 10:56 | |
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| Murloc | Yeah i know but as you said Yfrwlf better late than never :D | Jan 02 10:57 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Finished shopping in T-nagar. | Jan 02 11:04 | |
| Murloc | So what's up people? | Jan 02 11:05 |
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| Yfrwlf | the sky, teehee | Jan 02 11:18 |
| Yfrwlf | I think BN should include more OMG Ubuntu articles :P | Jan 02 11:21 |
| Yfrwlf | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/opera-105-released-for-linux.html | Jan 02 11:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Irish atheists challenge blasphemy law http://tinyurl.com/ya4y532 | Jan 02 11:24 | |
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| Yfrwlf | Anything disagreement whatsoever with any religion could be considered blasphemy. | Jan 02 11:25 |
| Yfrwlf | *any | Jan 02 11:25 |
| Yfrwlf | guess I'm going to jail :O | Jan 02 11:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] PC world has MS products in a sale.....oh dear, hitting MS in the wallet? or just the sellers or Microsoft products? #microsoft #fail | Jan 02 12:35 | |
| _goblin | *of | Jan 02 12:35 |
| _goblin | typo | Jan 02 12:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] #Ubuntu spotted on the set of Doctor Who :) http://bit.ly/7pbuUu #fb | Jan 02 13:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Britain: 5,394 arrested in Internet song crackdown http://is.gd/5JFgV | Jan 02 14:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Never thought Wii sports would have such longevity as it does in our house #fb | Jan 02 15:53 | |
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| schestowitz | [11:21] <Yfrwlf> I think BN should include more OMG Ubuntu articles :P | Jan 02 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I have that queued for posting. Was out with friends (some drinking) all day | Jan 02 15:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] As if Chip & Pin wasn't bad enough by design, this is just another reason to refuse to use them http://tinyurl.com/yk5tqoh | Jan 02 16:06 | |
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| schestowitz | "Way back in 2005 a GNOME 10x10 goal was created by Jeff Waugh at a conference in Stuttgart, Germany. The GNOME 10x10 goal was stated as "To Own 10 % of the Global Desktop Market by 2010." Well, it's now 2010 and sadly this goal did not come to fruition for the GNOME project or even the Linux adoption rate in general commanding not even close to 10% for desktop PCs. " | Jan 02 16:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg1Mw | Jan 02 16:15 |
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| MinceR | kde should get more hype | Jan 02 16:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Big numbers: why people who unplug their mobile charger instead of doing something effective annoy me http://is.gd/5JMKo HT @ciphergoth | Jan 02 16:19 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Actually @fabsh & @dantheman as Blues Brothers would be a cool Gimp'd movie poster. Unsure if a (Liverpool) Red would be happy as a Blue ;) | Jan 02 16:20 | |
| Murloc | Gnome is just lighter then KDE | Jan 02 16:20 |
| Murloc | and nothing more | Jan 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Possibly | Jan 02 16:21 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 is fast in some areas though, faster than KDE3 on the same hardware (but different distro) | Jan 02 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | There's no universal test though, it's very hardware dependent. | Jan 02 16:21 |
| wallc_ | I have a question... | Jan 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Some are more RAM-greedy and operate smoothly with enough RAM; some are built to consume little CPU | Jan 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Hey, wallc_ | Jan 02 16:22 |
| wallc_ | A young person I know is wanting to take some MS certification courses... | Jan 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | MS cerification declines in value | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Same with Novell | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I can find you articles | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Linux and FOSS (e.g. CMSs) up | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'm after a few whiskeys, so I prefer not to talk in public too much till I sober up :-) | Jan 02 16:23 |
| wallc_ | I'd never discourage further education, but what alternatives are out there that I can recommend? | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | RHC? | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat? | Jan 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I don't know.. | Jan 02 16:23 |
| wallc_ | lol...I posted on BN around midnight NY Eve and I'd had plenty to drink... | Jan 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | But many technology startups like FB and Google need LAMP professionals | Jan 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: you also posted in _Goblin's blog | Jan 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | He was very happy, said it gave him motivation to write | Jan 02 16:24 |
| wallc_ | Yes, I did, but I was sober then... | Jan 02 16:24 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has business as usual. Novell/WP | Jan 02 16:25 |
| wallc_ | Well, I've been preparing (working very hard) on a new blog of my own... | Jan 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Same one as before? | Jan 02 16:25 |
| wallc_ | no, different...under my wallclimber name. | Jan 02 16:26 |
| wallc_ | "Grandma Wanders Onto The battlefield" lol | Jan 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jan 02 16:27 |
| wallc_ | I doubt if anyone will ever read it, but maybe... | Jan 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Linux oriented? | Jan 02 16:27 |
| wallc_ | YES! of course. | Jan 02 16:27 |
| schestowitz | I'd subscribe and link if it's relevant to BN's scope | Jan 02 16:28 |
| wallc_ | Because we all know that Linux is toooo hard for Grandma, right? :) | Jan 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Someone once suggested starting a BN "Planet"... basically an aggregator | Jan 02 16:28 |
| wallc_ | Oh...I think it will be relevant... | Jan 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: of course, grandma can only knit :-) | Jan 02 16:28 |
| wallc_ | Oooh, I like the Planet idea. | Jan 02 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Should I set this up? | Jan 02 16:29 |
| wallc_ | Grandmas can bake cookies too. :) | Jan 02 16:29 |
| MinceR | under KDE, with KNit :> | Jan 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I know software for it | Jan 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I can have it in the sidebar | Jan 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Gnit? | Jan 02 16:29 |
| wallc_ | It sounds like a nice idea. | Jan 02 16:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Sounds the same | Jan 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: I'll get working on it tonight then | Jan 02 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Actually, _goblin might have tips on it | Jan 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | He set up something in Python for WordPress | Jan 02 16:30 |
| wallc_ | Well, that will give me some incentive to finish things up. | Jan 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Jan 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | I'll wait for _goblin before I go ahead. He did something similar, so it's better to ask | Jan 02 16:30 |
| wallc_ | Maybe my first blog topic will be about what happens when Grandma wanders into an IRC chanel - heh... | Jan 02 16:31 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: you should set up identica account too | Jan 02 16:31 |
| schestowitz | It enters IRC that way, in case not everyone follows the feed | Jan 02 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw might embrace Wave | Jan 02 16:31 |
| wallc_ | hmmm, i'll look into it. | Jan 02 16:31 |
| schestowitz | But the Google-hosted one, which means compromise of privacy | Jan 02 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Some more to disqus [spelling] for comments | Jan 02 16:32 |
| schestowitz | BN comments are not for subscribers only, which keeps people more polite | Jan 02 16:32 |
| wallc_ | I don't really understand Google wave | Jan 02 16:33 |
| wallc_ | (hey, i'ma grandma) | Jan 02 16:33 |
| MinceR | afaik it's basically realtime MediaWiki :> | Jan 02 16:33 |
| wallc_ | that's what it looked like to me, too, but i assumed it was something different because of all the hype... | Jan 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: I never triedWave | Jan 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not interested in it, either | Jan 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz | It is --my my view--Google's attempt to embrace and extend many thigns at once | Jan 02 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Outlook, microblogs(Twitter), blogs, IM..... | Jan 02 16:35 |
| schestowitz | They have already 'killed' a rival in this | Jan 02 16:36 |
| schestowitz | And open-sourced it | Jan 02 16:36 |
| schestowitz | No guarantee of open active development | Jan 02 16:36 |
| wallc_ | yeah, it's a battlefield out there :) | Jan 02 16:36 |
| schestowitz | So people may carry on with Wave or whatever. Novell made Pulse and SAP enters this space too | Jan 02 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Pulse and SAP's in-development wares are proprietary, i.e. uphill battle vs GOG | Jan 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends to compete | Jan 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | It grabs Plurk code | Jan 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Cheap labout | Jan 02 16:37 |
| wallc_ | everything with microsoft is pretense. | Jan 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft CHina wasn't cheap enough for them (local labour) | Jan 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | So they contracted /from/ China | Jan 02 16:37 |
| schestowitz | They did a good job though | Jan 02 16:37 |
| kecskebak | Re the KDE discussion above, KDE 4.x is very fast on my computer - Konqueror is the fastest web browser I've ever seen. | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Within hours they could produce something that look almost like Plurk | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: starts fast, yeah... | Jan 02 16:38 |
| wallc_ | back to the certification stuff, i was surprised to find how huge a business ms certs are... | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Depends. | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | How to use MS software? | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Or admin? | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | MCSE loses value | Jan 02 16:38 |
| schestowitz | It's a declining skill | Jan 02 16:38 |
| MinceR | yes, they could steal and re-skin plurk within hours :> | Jan 02 16:39 |
| kecskebak | When I was working at an ERP company a certification scheme was started basically as an extra revenue stream | Jan 02 16:39 |
| wallc_ | i don't know...there just seem to be a lot of them that start with "MS" and end with a test. | Jan 02 16:39 |
| schestowitz | devalued due to excess or simplicity of knowledge | Jan 02 16:39 |
| kecskebak | The education side was secondary to be honest | Jan 02 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Restart, reboot, reinstall | Jan 02 16:39 |
| wallc_ | let me see if i can find what i was reading... | Jan 02 16:39 |
| MinceR | perhaps plurk was m$'s first attempt to learn crApple's business model | Jan 02 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Apple dos this legally AFAIK | Jan 02 16:40 |
| MinceR | (regarding software) | Jan 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz | *does | Jan 02 16:40 |
| MinceR | yes, they do | Jan 02 16:40 |
| MinceR | it's no more ethical though | Jan 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft breaks GPL rules,as well | Jan 02 16:40 |
| kecskebak | The people writing the course materials worked really hard to make them worthwhile, but it was the money that was the main driver | Jan 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Apple sells consumer electronics | Jan 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't make them | Jan 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Just sells them for high prices, using marketing models | Jan 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz | You know, space-filling celebs in lines for Apple-branded 'stuff' | Jan 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Made by Foxconn | Jan 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Branded by Foxconn too, I suppose | Jan 02 16:41 |
| kecskebak | I hate all the Apple product placement on the things my kids watch on TV | Jan 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Rebadged Chinese goods | Jan 02 16:41 |
| wallc_ | oh, one thing i noticed is that googling for MS Certification brings up a ton of results, but you won't find ANYTHING negative about the certification programs, anywhere. | Jan 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: depends what you search for | Jan 02 16:42 |
| schestowitz | It's a commerse area | Jan 02 16:42 |
| wallc_ | I searched for "Microsoft Certification" | Jan 02 16:42 |
| schestowitz | companies pay spammers (aka "SEM"/"SEO") to put them up there | Jan 02 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Google is like their busienss model, it's shameful | Jan 02 16:43 |
| wallc_ | Then I added Reviews...then I added the word "crap"...lol | Jan 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz | That's why Wales rationalised doing Wikia | Jan 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Put up a name of resort and top results may include lots of companies selling you vacations | Jan 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz | It's profitable tot them | Jan 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Linux Gazette is back in action :-) | Jan 02 16:44 |
| schestowitz | http://systemsengineer.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/switching-to-linux-with-puppy/ | Jan 02 16:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Switching to Linux with Puppy « Systems Engineer's Blog .::. Size~: 27.56 KB | Jan 02 16:44 |
| wallc_ | I just noticed something...your spelling is much better when you're drinking...lol (just kidding) | Jan 02 16:45 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 02 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I type more slowly | Jan 02 16:45 |
| wallc_ | Okay, i have chores to do today...(I'm avoiding, can you tell?) i'd better get to them. have a great day everyone. bye for now. | Jan 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm also browsing through some news in another desktop | Jan 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | tara, wallc_ | Jan 02 16:46 |
| wallc_ | I'll let you know when i do the first blog post...maybe you can read it first before i make it public? :) | Jan 02 16:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin we need your help with something... come to IRC when you can please | Jan 02 16:47 | |
| wallc_ | tara? | Jan 02 16:47 |
| wallc_ | as in Gone With The Wind, Tara? | Jan 02 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Hehe: http://twitter.com/Vinaya_Lara/statuses/7283621960 | Jan 02 16:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Vinaya Almeida: BOYCOTT XmasEve the ownerc ... .::. Size~: 10.02 KB | Jan 02 16:48 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ta+ra | Jan 02 16:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Urban Dictionary: ta ra .::. Size~: 33.35 KB | Jan 02 16:48 |
| kecskebak | You've never watched Coronation Street wallc_! | Jan 02 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: she's not from the UK | Jan 02 16:48 |
| kecskebak | I bet Roy's been off for a hotpot at the Rovers. | Jan 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Off with some punters :-) | Jan 02 16:49 |
| wallc_ | No, I've never watched it...but i don't have a television any more. | Jan 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: youtube? | Jan 02 16:49 |
| wallc_ | (I don't miss it at all) | Jan 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | My mate has this massive TV with wi-fi and YouTube access | Jan 02 16:49 |
| kecskebak | I never watch any television I'm not working on either | Jan 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz | We watched it this morning... | Jan 02 16:49 |
| wallc_ | I didn't know it was on you tube...i'll look. | Jan 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | YouTube becomes part of the television experience... not just with Neuros | Jan 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | television as a centralised tool is waning | Jan 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | For some anyway | Jan 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Despite HDTV | Jan 02 16:50 |
| kecskebak | Talking of television, I saw VideoLan are doing a video editor that looks quite interesting | Jan 02 16:50 |
| wallc_ | Thanks all...turrah! :) | Jan 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Companies make not a penny when you switch ont he Tube | Jan 02 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's cable | Jan 02 16:50 |
| *wallc_ has quit ("Page closed") | Jan 02 16:51 | |
| schestowitz | It's advertisements they sell... YouTUbe hasn't turned much to that side yet | Jan 02 16:51 |
| kecskebak | Google Ads seems to know what I watch on YouTube though | Jan 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: kdenlive is nice | Jan 02 16:51 |
| kecskebak | Bug city sadly | Jan 02 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think someone needs to answer why they put enough ketchup in a packet for each fry | Jan 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: they do know | Jan 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | They own DoubleClick now, too | Jan 02 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | I want accountability on that | Jan 02 16:51 |
| kecskebak | If I could use it without it crashing every five minutes then it would do everything I want | Jan 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | They must have inherited a lot of old data from DoubleClick | Jan 02 16:52 |
| kecskebak | It has some fantastic plug-ins | Jan 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | "Internet Advertising Network was started by Kevin O'Connor and Dwight Merriman in 1995." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoubleClick | Jan 02 16:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DoubleClick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 58.86 KB | Jan 02 16:52 |
| kecskebak | I even installed two KDE distros on my computer to see if KDELive would be more stable as I was so keen to use it | Jan 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Google has heaps of knowledge | Jan 02 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I used to maintain a HOSTS file for Windows, blocking ad servers | Jan 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | If only if could get historical IP mappings (to person) | Jan 02 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | you can use the same format on Linux obviously | Jan 02 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | can't remember where to stick that | Jan 02 16:53 |
| kecskebak | I have a lot of MJPEGS, and KDEnLive seems allergic to them | Jan 02 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc on Windows | Jan 02 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | though Windows 98 would choke if it got over about 300 kilobytes | Jan 02 16:53 |
| schestowitz | For simple transitions it seems to work ok for Nokia | Jan 02 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | the Microsoft MVPs site still maintains one, they have another one that also blocks porn sites | Jan 02 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | though Vista has a limit of about 150 kilobytes before it chokes | Jan 02 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | you have to disable a couple system services to get around that | Jan 02 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | now the only things I block in HOSTS are the Windows Live Messenger ad server and the Windows Genuine Advantage servers that XP likes to phone home to | Jan 02 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft crams the ads into Windows Live Messenger in such a way that they hope you'll click on one by mistake while fishing for some other button | Jan 02 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | the ads have also been used to deliver malware through WLM before | Jan 02 16:58 |
| kecskebak | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6921281/Britain-facing-one-of-the-coldest-winters-in-100-years-experts-predict.html | Jan 02 16:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Britain facing one of the coldest winters in 100 years, experts predict - Telegraph .::. Size~: 50.56 KB | Jan 02 16:58 |
| kecskebak | Must be global warming | Jan 02 16:58 |
| kecskebak | ;) | Jan 02 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://apcmag.com/microsoft_apologises_for_serving_malware.htm | Jan 02 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 02 16:59 |
| MinceR | must be the Gulf Stream stopping | Jan 02 16:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000187.jpg | Jan 02 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I see it, any program with embedded ads is a security hazard, and you should avoid using it or find a way to block the ads | Jan 02 17:00 |
| *MinceR avoids using WLM | Jan 02 17:00 | |
| kecskebak | Flash via Wine does | Jan 02 17:01 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: the water level keeps rising | Jan 02 17:01 |
| kecskebak | I was only joking - I've already been convinced about Global Dimming | Jan 02 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's also Messenger Plus! which is suspicious | Jan 02 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Temperature and all changes over very long periods of time | Jan 02 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Then there's peak oil | Jan 02 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | the installer and the plugins themselves all rant and rave about Allah and shit | Jan 02 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Too many people worry about junk like y2k | Jan 02 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | lots of people use it even though its mode of operation is to patch Windows Live Messenger in memory | Jan 02 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: careful! | Jan 02 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Blasphemy! | Jan 02 17:02 |
| kecskebak | And too much fresh water due to melting ice in the Arctic would cause the effect in the UK | Jan 02 17:02 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: there's also BitlBee which isn't malware | Jan 02 17:02 |
| kecskebak | As MinceR said, it would affect the Gulf Stream | Jan 02 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: What's that? | Jan 02 17:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&cf=all&ncl=d29dmKJgtue6cvMLM82WknA4HmzrM | Jan 02 17:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Irish atheists defy new blasphemy law - Google News .::. Size~: 46.41 KB | Jan 02 17:02 |
| MinceR | IM-IRC gateway | Jan 02 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Which is why every Constitution needs an establishment clause | Jan 02 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 02 17:03 |
| schestowitz | RMS protested against this too | Jan 02 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Some intl' body (not sure if it was the UN) called it a "hate crime" or something to criticise a religion | Jan 02 17:03 |
| MinceR | of course you could use Kopete, Pidgin or aMSN, too | Jan 02 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | oh bullshit | Jan 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | RMS said, something like, "so if I said religion is a "brain-virus", then....." | Jan 02 17:04 |
| kecskebak | You'd think given the banking situation there and Irish legislators would have other things to do | Jan 02 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | so what do they call lots of big religions coming together to crush people that don't believe? | Jan 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Religions and races are sacred | Jan 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | We can criticise people for clothing | Jan 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Their football teams | Jan 02 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I can make a caricature of Gordon Brown | Jan 02 17:04 |
| MinceR | not for long | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | As long as he's not mocked for a belief in divinity | Jan 02 17:05 |
| MinceR | if the uk takes a page from obama's book | Jan 02 17:05 |
| kecskebak | Or his Scottishness | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I mean, for races and sexual orientation I can see reasons for immunity | Jan 02 17:05 |
| MinceR | and being a police state and a faithful follower of Jesusland, i think they will | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | People can't change race/DNA | Jan 02 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I would have no problem with firing people who harass another over religion, but the flip side of that is that if they harass an atheist, that should also merit being fired | Jan 02 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Their thoughts and falsehoods can be corrected though | Jan 02 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | in a workplace setting anyway | Jan 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 02 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | either way it creates a hostile work environment | Jan 02 17:06 |
| kecskebak | In other words DaemonFC, you're simply against bullying. The form taken (religious or otherwise) used is irrelevant. | Jan 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Unprecedented? | Jan 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Firing for believing, well... what has evidence? | Jan 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: yes, exactly | Jan 02 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | meh, there's just some things you shouldn't talk about at work | Jan 02 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Unreasonable intolerance | Jan 02 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's not law, it's company image, productivity, etc | Jan 02 17:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: depends on the type of work | Jan 02 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | freedom of speech only goes as far as protecting you from the government | Jan 02 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | not your employer | Jan 02 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | not someone in a bar | Jan 02 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | free speech should be moderated by "Am I going to be fired or get my ass kicked for this?" | Jan 02 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | any sane person would do that anyway | Jan 02 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | but I've dealt with employees that acted like it was illegal for me to fire or reprimand or take punitive action | Jan 02 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | cause they say "free speech!" | Jan 02 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | and they have that when they're clocked out and off company property | Jan 02 17:11 |
| MinceR | so you think that employers should have the right to blackmail their employees into saying whatever the employer wants, using their job as a means to keep them hostage? | Jan 02 17:11 |
| MinceR | there's no natural force that prevents the employer from making demands regarding what happens off company property | Jan 02 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No. But if you're working customer service, I think it's reasonable for the employer to tell you not to curse or offend people | Jan 02 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think an employer who sees that going on is damned well within their rights to fire the person | Jan 02 17:12 |
| MinceR | now of course if the employer could get their ass kicked for firing someone with no good reason, that could make things different | Jan 02 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They can, it's called "Wrongful Termination" | Jan 02 17:12 |
| MinceR | it's reasonable, when they're actually performing customer service and talking to a customer | Jan 02 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | and "Maintaining a hostile work environment" | Jan 02 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's grounds for a lawsuit to let the employee maintain that behavior | Jan 02 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's why most employers will deal with the offending employee immediately | Jan 02 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | that, and the impact it has on other employees productivity, morale, etc. | Jan 02 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | and customers don't want to witness that stuff going on either | Jan 02 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | so you're losing customers, that means you lose money there | Jan 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | THat's fair enough | Jan 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | But it's beside the point, no? | Jan 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Also, it's a grey area | Jan 02 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: As far as the state becoming involved and making speech against religion illegal, I strongly disagree with that | Jan 02 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Employee are expected to act "normal", where normal is defined as roughly fitting the mean/average/median of a large group of people, based on some characteristics | Jan 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Some people feel strongly about religion | Jan 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Others are the opposite | Jan 02 17:16 |
| schestowitz | But in most jobs the issue does not arise | Jan 02 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I can't make it disappear, so I really don't worry about it a lot | Jan 02 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like taxes | Jan 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Jan 02 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | everyone hates being taxed, but they tolerate it | Jan 02 17:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR probably needs to restrain himself when he feels smarter than his boss/es | Jan 02 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | restrain yourself or format it to not piss them off | Jan 02 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | That's where a lot of tension tends to lie... authorities at work that need to justify themselves rather than be assumed | Jan 02 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | they justify themselves based on the fact that you're being paid every week and keep coming back | Jan 02 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's really all they have to do | Jan 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm good with people, I never had such issues, AFAIK. Some people are super stubborn and vain... they can't last | Jan 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, they get paid more | Jan 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It's like animals and size | Jan 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | To a scientist, merit and achievements count | Jan 02 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I figure that if I own the company, I don't really have to justify what I do with it | Jan 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | To his/her manager, money is an indicator by which to keep score | Jan 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Different world viewpoints | Jan 02 17:19 |
| schestowitz | One measures as a scientist, the other a businessman/woman | Jan 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so you're a dictators, not a monarch | Jan 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's good you, DaemonFC, control no country | Jan 02 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Being a manager at Walmart is really not a challenge most of the time | Jan 02 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | you're really not dealing with people that are in the same league | Jan 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Wal-mart has many managerial layers | Jan 02 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | else they wouldn't be working for less money every year | Jan 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | It's a pyramid | Jan 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | It's not democratic at all | Jan 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Sad to say, that's how it operates | Jan 02 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | true | Jan 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | The peasants are the peasants | Jan 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Farmers (extraction) -> transformers- > factory->shop>sales->management->management->management->management->management->management->management->management->management->management->management | Jan 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | It gets thinner and thinner at each level | Jan 02 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | you see an employee that shows more signs of sapience than the surrounding cattle, he may be the next manager | Jan 02 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | or may be fired | Jan 02 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | depending | Jan 02 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Heh,. | Jan 02 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | hell, maybe 1 in 100 becomes an assistant manager | Jan 02 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | and 1 in 500 of them becomes a co-manager | Jan 02 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | and 1 in 4 of them gets to run their own store eventually | Jan 02 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you get that far up, your chances of being a district manager are not all that great | Jan 02 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | cause you'll have 50 stores or so in a district | Jan 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | And many don't make it into Wal-mart | Jan 02 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | and one district manager slot | Jan 02 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Only like 1 in 10 cab | Jan 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | *can | Jan 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | US population is about 4.5% of the world | Jan 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | UK is less than 1% | Jan 02 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | so the changes of going from peon to managing a store are not good | Jan 02 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Hungary just in the cents | Jan 02 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like buying lottery tickets where the top prize is $5,000 | Jan 02 17:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: In wal-mart, it's survival of the fattest | Jan 02 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | DM position is like those lottery tickets where you can win $250,000 | Jan 02 17:26 |
| MinceR | "survival of the fattest" :D | Jan 02 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | becoming one of the vice presidents, almost unheard of | Jan 02 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | they get most of them from outside the company | Jan 02 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | they show off a few that startedd out mopping the floors, on the training videos you see on your first day | Jan 02 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | but there's hundreds more that came from other companies or went from college to DM to VP | Jan 02 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | you almost never see anyone at that level that was ever an hourly employee | Jan 02 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's like that's the cutoff point | Jan 02 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want any of "those people" in their meeting rooms | Jan 02 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 02 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | They have the CEO do little promotional tapes and crap for "motivating" the "associates" | Jan 02 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | giving you the impression that he's just like you (only making tens of millions of dollars a year) | Jan 02 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | Lee Scott was in an interview once where he was going over all the budget-saving stuff Walmart made him do, acting like flying coach was a huge deal | Jan 02 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | then he was all like "I shared a motel room with another man last night" | Jan 02 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | I was over in the back of the training room giggling | Jan 02 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Then there were the reps from Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo that came out to the store | Jan 02 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | fun times | Jan 02 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | the Microsoft guy dropped off a box of 100 lanyards with "XBOX" in green lettering | Jan 02 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | I have a collection of the promotional buttons from a bunch of XBOX games too | Jan 02 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | What was really funny though was the number of times they had to replace the demo XBOX 360 | Jan 02 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | it launched in November of 2005 and by Christmas, they'd already replaced five of them | Jan 02 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | they'd die and hand there with the 3 red lights flashing and the monitor displaying "E74 - Contact Microsoft Support" | Jan 02 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | *hang | Jan 02 17:36 |
| MinceR | and yet the drones still buy them | Jan 02 17:36 |
| MinceR | that's the sad part | Jan 02 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It came down from "on high" that we were forbidden from discussing the problem with customers | Jan 02 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | lest we end up ruining our Christmas sales figures | Jan 02 17:39 |
| MinceR | they ought to have noticed and heard of it though | Jan 02 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | of course I already owned one and was hoping I was one of the lucky ones that didn't get a lemon (I wasn't) | Jan 02 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I decided to push the extended replacement program we had | Jan 02 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | We'd swap it out no questions asked for 2 years, for another $20 | Jan 02 17:41 |
| MinceR | i wonder if a noname chinese manufacturer could get away with the level of quality m$ and crApple supplies in hardware without having their products banned | Jan 02 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | didn't specifically say why I encouraged it though | Jan 02 17:41 |
| MinceR | (mainly iGrenade, xbox 360) | Jan 02 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I figured Microsoft wouldn't own up to it and they'd get stuck with a bad console MS wanted $120 to fix | Jan 02 17:42 |
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| DaemonFC | when they could just take it back to us and we'd bully Microsoft into crediting us | Jan 02 17:42 |
| MinceR | you thought you could bully m$? | Jan 02 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Walmart is able to bully Microsoft | Jan 02 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | we got them to credit us full price for every 360 returned to us | Jan 02 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't want to piss off Walmart | Jan 02 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | those who piss Walmart off get less shelf space at 5,000 stores in the US alone | Jan 02 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | those who make Walmart happy, get more space at the expense of their competition | Jan 02 17:44 |
| amarsh04 | DaemonFC, the behaviour you described walmart management encouraging reminds me of a Donald Sutherland movie set in cold war eastern europe where he character is made to betray his family in order to get advancment in the communist party | Jan 02 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: Pretty much | Jan 02 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | dishonesty to customers and the people that work for you is expected | Jan 02 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | unwritten rule most of the time | Jan 02 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart stonewalls customers who have their engines ruined in the Tire and Lube Express all the time | Jan 02 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | try to blame it on the customer | Jan 02 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is its own insurance company, so you have to ask them to pay for the damages they caused | Jan 02 17:46 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, migrated to dependency-based booting | Jan 02 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | they forget to put oil in it, or strip out the drain plug | Jan 02 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | you make it 10-20 miles before the engine is damaged beyond repair | Jan 02 17:47 |
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| DaemonFC | they hire 18 year olds who have never worked anywhere and pay them $8.50 an hour | Jan 02 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want them working on your car! | Jan 02 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | whats funnier, is that the Walmart here charges $2 more for a full service oil change than the Monro shop out by their parking lot | Jan 02 17:49 |
| Murloc | As i said to myself, better to have noble open source company which is little(like my site-company), then to be corrupted and giant. | Jan 02 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | and you go to Walmart, you have to wait twice as long | Jan 02 17:49 |
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| DaemonFC | people just have this instinct that Walmart is always cheaper | Jan 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | and most of the time, you could have spent less elsewhere | Jan 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | or gotten better service, or waited less | Jan 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | or all of the above | Jan 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart reinforces the thinking that they're always cheaper by making TV commercials comparing groceries from Walmart vs breakfast at a fast food place | Jan 02 17:51 |
| Murloc | Microsoft is like cancer really.... | Jan 02 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | most people I guess don't realize that those aren't the same thing | Jan 02 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | they wouldn't compare themselves to ALDI | Jan 02 17:52 |
| Murloc | it's spreading in the less developed countries.... | Jan 02 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Shop at walmart and increase your grocery bill by $500 a year"? | Jan 02 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 02 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Murloc: Yeah, they have them all over Mexico | Jan 02 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be surprised if the next rounds of maps the Mexican government gives to illegal immigrants highlights all the Walmart stores in Texas,Arizona, and New Mexico | Jan 02 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | they seem to find them all just fine on their own though | Jan 02 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of people shop there | Jan 02 17:54 |
| Murloc | Everything is possible | Jan 02 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | from poor people being tacky to rich people being cheap | Jan 02 17:55 |
| Murloc | and every country has it's Wallmart | Jan 02 17:55 |
| Murloc | it's just called by other name | Jan 02 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexicali Walmarts anyway, they keep all their liquor in the security room | Jan 02 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | they put little cards out on the shelf with the picture of the bottle on it | Jan 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | cause one good bottle of liquor could be more than your average Mexican worker makes in a month | Jan 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | their pharmacy is also a lot different | Jan 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | you just tell them what you want, what dose, and how many | Jan 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | no prescription needed | Jan 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | other than that, you can definirely tell you're at Walmart | Jan 02 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | the bad part of that is that the US government only lets you bring back 30 day supplies of all your meds | Jan 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise I would have gotten several years worth of all of them for like 10% of the price | Jan 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | damned holidays | Jan 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | damned Sunday | Jan 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I could have my Wii here now, but nooooooooooooooo | Jan 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to New Years Day and the weekend, it won't be here til Tuesday | Jan 02 18:01 |
| MinceR | you should have ordered it before the holidays :> | Jan 02 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | with my good looks? | Jan 02 18:02 |
| MinceR | i wonder what that has to do with anything | Jan 02 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: A sarcastic term to describe paying for something when you don't have any money. | Jan 02 18:04 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 02 18:04 |
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| DaemonFC | "We need one of those!" Person 2: "Sure, I'll just walk in and get one with my good looks. :P" | Jan 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | AMD is really lagging behind with their Catalyst driver | Jan 02 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | maybe this month they'll catch up with where Fedora and Mandriva were 3 months ago | Jan 02 18:08 |
| MinceR | you say that like amd/ati didn't always lag with their catalyst driver :> | Jan 02 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I have half a mind to swap out this ReadeonHD 4670 out for the Geforce 9500 GT in my old PC | Jan 02 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | just so that it doesn't matter what version of X a distribution uses | Jan 02 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | *RadeonHD | Jan 02 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of wonder if they'll support Ubuntu 10.04 LTS | Jan 02 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | at least if they do, I can park myself there for 3 years | Jan 02 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I was really disappointed in OpenSuse reducing their support cycle | Jan 02 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | it used to be 24 months, now it's like 16 iirc | Jan 02 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | probably had something to do with them firing all those people | Jan 02 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | some of the support lifetime had to go cause they don't have resources to support it with | Jan 02 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: Wal-Mart owns Asda here | Jan 02 18:51 |
| schestowitz | But Asda is lagging behind Tesco and Sainbury's | Jan 02 18:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The drying couch cushions bloody reek of cat pee. They have feathers in them ... I think they're goners. The couch is fine though. | Jan 02 19:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] today.com just tried new fuckery with payment. Go to http://notnews.today.com/ and you'll see what I just did. http://newstechnica.com FTW! | Jan 02 19:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Quite possibly the most bloody stupid email sent in history http://bit.ly/7CCdVQ | Jan 02 19:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | Him: "my toe hurts T_T" Me: "come here and I'll stomp on the other one so they match" Him: "real nice of you ~_ ~" Me: "as nice as the rest of the world" | Jan 02 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | demoralizing teenagers is fun | Jan 02 19:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 02 19:32 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Munich Migrates to #GNU #Linux, #ODF and #OpenOffice.org; Microsoft #EDGI Still Lurking http://ur1.ca/ixcy | Jan 02 19:43 | |
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| Murloc | The large-scale migration to LiMux ? | Jan 02 19:57 |
| Murloc | a little typo error here :p | Jan 02 19:57 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 02 20:04 |
| schestowitz | That's the distro name | Jan 02 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Unless there's another typo somwhere | Jan 02 20:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The US Government may not actually understand how the 4th Amendment workshttp://ur1.ca/ixe7 | Jan 02 20:14 | |
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| _goblin | Hi Roy.... | Jan 02 20:16 |
| _goblin | sorry been cleaning tidying house.... | Jan 02 20:16 |
| _goblin | got loads done.... | Jan 02 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Ok, no problem. I might leave soon, though | Jan 02 20:17 |
| _goblin | whats up? got your message on twitter | Jan 02 20:17 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber wants to have a Planet BN... well, actually the issue arose when someone else said something about the possibility | Jan 02 20:17 |
| schestowitz | And in OpenBytes you have some feeds in the sidebar | Jan 02 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I could set up a planet, but it would not be integrated in WordPress | Jan 02 20:17 |
| _goblin | yep.....Ill help in any way | Jan 02 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Because you shot OpenBytes dead with Python and code you must have experimented with some code | Jan 02 20:18 |
| _goblin | yeah........ish | Jan 02 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I'd add OpenBytes to of course | Jan 02 20:18 |
| schestowitz | /to/too | Jan 02 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I want to do this without iframes | Jan 02 20:18 |
| _goblin | ok..... | Jan 02 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Like magpierss-based packages like the ones I use in BN Wiki and schestowitz.com | Jan 02 20:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and the #BBC Say Sub-notebooks Are Dying So It Must be True http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/02/death-of-the-windows-netbook/ | Jan 02 20:19 | |
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| Murloc | Roy i've started open source company-website | Jan 02 20:19 |
| Murloc | http://zeusoft.net/foss hehe | Jan 02 20:20 |
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| _goblin | Roy, I am happy for both you and wallclimber to have admin access to my blog if it would help, or do you want me to try my hand again at Python dabbling? | Jan 02 20:20 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Bookmarks/feeds_aggregated/rss_merge.php | Jan 02 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Murloc: thanks, added | Jan 02 20:21 |
| schestowitz | _http://zeusoft.net/zeucd | Jan 02 20:21 |
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| _goblin | ah, I see... | Jan 02 20:22 |
| schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=336 | Jan 02 20:22 |
| Murloc | Hehe we're currently developing Software Client Download | Jan 02 20:22 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Who is Sherman Alexie, and why is he asking to be pwned so hard? http://ur1.ca/ixee #douchebag | Jan 02 20:24 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google and #HTC working on #ChromeOS tablet... will someone just release a tablet that doesn't suck already? http://ur1.ca/ixeg | Jan 02 20:24 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: do you know something that can aggregate several RSS feeds, sort them, and and then spew them out efficiently | Jan 02 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Magpie would not be efficient, I reckon | Jan 02 20:24 |
| schestowitz | No caching | Jan 02 20:25 |
| schestowitz | In OpenBytes you handle feeds separately | Jan 02 20:25 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: mmmm an RSS "collector".......reading each RSS via a python script is no problem for me.....spitting them out as another.....mmmm, havent tried that... | Jan 02 20:26 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I can't see it being too difficult....I have a Python manual to hand...and the NG's.... | Jan 02 20:26 |
| _goblin | Ill give something a go.... so all you want is the RSS feeds of a collection of sites output as one RSS feed? | Jan 02 20:27 |
| _goblin | I think Ive got the code.... | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | from RSS import ns, CollectionChannel, TrackingChannel | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | #Create a tracking channel, which is a data structure that | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | #Indexes RSS data by item URL | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | tc = TrackingChannel() | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | #Returns the RSSParser instance used, which can usually be ignored | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | tc.parse("http://www.python.org/channews.rdf") | Jan 02 20:29 |
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| _goblin | RSS10_TITLE = (ns.rss10, 'title') | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | RSS10_DESC = (ns.rss10, 'description') | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | #You can also use tc.keys() | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | items = tc.listItems() | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | for item in items: | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | #Each item is a (url, order_index) tuple | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | url = item[0] | Jan 02 20:29 |
| _goblin | print "RSS Item:", url | Jan 02 20:30 |
| _goblin | #Get all the data for the item as a Python dictionary | Jan 02 20:30 |
| _goblin | item_data = tc.getItem(item) | Jan 02 20:30 |
| _goblin | print "Title:", item_data.get(RSS10_TITLE, "(none)") | Jan 02 20:30 |
| _goblin | print "Description:", item_data.get(RSS10_DESC, "(none)") | Jan 02 20:30 |
| _goblin | i'll mess around with that a little and see what I can come up with..... | Jan 02 20:30 |
| Murloc | anyway roy, im also web-developer of FOSS project called Bnetd/PvPGN | Jan 02 20:30 |
| Murloc | http://pvpgn.berlios.de/ | Jan 02 20:31 |
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| Murloc | It's project that emulates Battle.net Daemon | Jan 02 20:31 |
| Murloc | and providing online support for Blizzard and Westwood Online games. | Jan 02 20:32 |
| _goblin | Ah so your handle is in reference to those Murloc's in WOW? | Jan 02 20:33 |
| _goblin | used to play..... | Jan 02 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's "constituent surveys" are once again another round of push polling designed to make you agree to union busting, tax hikes, congressional district gerrymandering, and more of their political theater and divisive social wedge issues | Jan 02 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jan 02 20:36 |
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| Murloc | Well nah but it's more refference to WC3 creatures. | Jan 02 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | my Metroid Prime Trilogy got here | Jan 02 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | now I have two Wii games and no Wii here til Tuesday | Jan 02 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 02 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | [20:27] <_goblin> Ill give something a go.... so all you want is the RSS feeds of a collection of sites output as one RSS feed? | Jan 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I bet that already exists somewhere | Jan 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | But I'd rather find a WordPress plugin for it | Jan 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: nice one | Jan 02 20:52 |
| Murloc | anyway visual studio is evil.... | Jan 02 20:52 |
| Murloc | lol it can't locate the project even tough you specified the paths | Jan 02 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | Gotta go out now. bbl | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: yeah, VS sucks. I could hardly compile my Linux programs for Windows with VS | Jan 02 21:00 |
| schestowitz | cye l8er. Out drinking | Jan 02 21:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you have any idea what Mercury Messenger is on about when it says that my JMF isn't working properly? | Jan 02 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | I gathered that it's complaing about "Java Media Foundation" | Jan 02 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | I wish someone would go beyond "everything but voice and video" with Windows Live Messenger | Jan 02 22:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Goodbye today.com, you are too stupid to live. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/24751.html http://is.gd/5K5B8 | Jan 02 22:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's like, almost comical on Linux where there's like 40 messengers that can connect to it, but none can do voice or video | Jan 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Mercury claims to be able to, then throws all these weird bogus error messages around | Jan 02 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | People make DEB packages and tell you the program is intended for Ubuntu, you would think that it will work with Ubuntu | Jan 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | not freak out when something it's obviously going to need isn't there | Jan 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | this kind of crap scores bad reviews | Jan 02 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | if something on Windows needs JAVA, it bundles Java along with it | Jan 02 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | not part of Java | Jan 02 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Why is there no way on Ubuntu to bring in this JMF? | Jan 02 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58679 | Jan 02 22:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Don't answer Census, | Jan 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | "He said the information is stored in computers that are not even connected to the Internet." | Jan 02 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Cause we know that USB flash media, ipods, etc. can't be used to copy computerized data files or anything. /sarcasm | Jan 02 22:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @realmary: Not from Daily mail: Top 10 Good News Stories From Muslim World That You Never Heard About in 2009 http://bit.ly/8Vdj0R | Jan 02 22:12 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why they're worried about someone stealing Census Bureau data on them | Jan 02 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | Credit reporting agencies have hundreds of times more data on you and "lose a laptop" now and then with data for hundreds of thousands of people on it | Jan 02 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's funny that even though these companies have access to EFS and Bitlocker, how they never actually seem to use them | Jan 02 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | so even if they would stop anyone from getting the data on the hard disk, they won't cause they're not turned on | Jan 02 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | Isn't that kind of the main point of rolling out the expensive versions of Windows they all use? | Jan 02 22:15 |
| MinceR | i wish people would go beyond craptastic closed IM systems | Jan 02 22:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] New Xbox 360 advert for 2010? ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95ctVng_Bs&feature=related #microsoft #360 #xbox | Jan 02 22:19 | |
| MinceR | instead of looking for trouble and complaining when they find it | Jan 02 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It comes from not wanting to use something but being sucked in by millions of people that do | Jan 02 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | it becomes like a voluntary prison that's unofficially mandatory, and Microsoft counts on that | Jan 02 22:20 |
| cubezzz | at one point the pet rock was popular | Jan 02 22:21 |
| cubezzz | doesn't mean it's a good idea | Jan 02 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You see that episode of Lexx where Mantrid kept his drones feeding on all the matter in the universe | Jan 02 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | turning it into more drones | Jan 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen lexx | Jan 02 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | who went to make more drones | Jan 02 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | and they all were lured to the center of the universe, collapsing it | Jan 02 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | thats MSN | Jan 02 22:22 |
| cubezzz | the tribble story over again :) | Jan 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | what's unofficially mandatory about video/voice on an IM service? | Jan 02 22:22 |
| MinceR | are your contacts illiterate? :> | Jan 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Not really, it's just faster than typing | Jan 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | besides, you actually get to see someone you never get to see | Jan 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | it has a certain draw to it | Jan 02 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I can usually make a Linux distribution do what I need it to in spite of poor planning, half-implemented features, workarounds, and the like | Jan 02 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes I run into something I just don't know how to fix, and it bothers me, a lot | Jan 02 22:25 |
| MinceR | so do you know a non-crap client for m$n/WLM that can do everything you want it to do? | Jan 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | a distribution is like a feudal system where decisions get made unilaterally with little or no regard for the commoners | Jan 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | what hardware they'll break in this release | Jan 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | what software has unresolvable dependencies | Jan 02 22:26 |
| MinceR | i'd like to see that "what hardware we will break in this release" discussion | Jan 02 22:26 |
| cubezzz | that's why I compile stuff myself | Jan 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I'd actually call Empathy a hell of a regression over just shipping Pidgin | Jan 02 22:27 |
| cubezzz | no one is forcing you to use latest and greatest version | Jan 02 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's my opinion, and I know Pidgin has never been interested in doing voice/video at all, for any protocol people use | Jan 02 22:27 |
| cubezzz | personally I don't bother (most of the time) | Jan 02 22:27 |
| MinceR | so who forbids you to use pidgin? | Jan 02 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Nobody, but it doesn't do what I want it to either, it just sucks less than Empathy | Jan 02 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | Galaxium is better on every count except that it's Mono-dependent and needs 100 megs of RAM just to support MSN, and it too doesn't allow video calls | Jan 02 22:29 |
| cubezzz | I didn't even have a IRC client for my cpu | Jan 02 22:29 |
| cubezzz | I figured "Well I'll just port one, can't be that difficult" | Jan 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | you can go for KMess if you use KDE, but no video calls there | Jan 02 22:30 |
| cubezzz | and it wasn't | Jan 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | every messenger claims to have something "in the works" but never ships it | Jan 02 22:30 |
| MinceR | ever tried SIP for video? :> | Jan 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | no, because I can't find anyone that uses it | Jan 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | "What wonderful support we have for the protocol 0.0000000001% of the population uses" | Jan 02 22:31 |
| cubezzz | the answer: some hardware manufacturers don't give out programming specifications | Jan 02 22:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it blows my mind to see videos of guys building skyscrapers with no safety gear on, balancing on beams that look closer to the clouds | Jan 02 22:32 | |
| cubezzz | so buy from someone who does, full stop | Jan 02 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | The biggest questions I see coming from Linux users is how do you run Windows programs | Jan 02 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | look at how active the Wine subforum is on Ubuntu's forums | Jan 02 22:33 |
| cubezzz | bah | Jan 02 22:33 |
| cubezzz | it's like talking to the wall | Jan 02 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet there's as many posts in there as all others combined | Jan 02 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Well, in theory my graphics card works on Linux | Jan 02 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, I can even use the latest git kernel | Jan 02 22:34 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not the kernel's fault that my GPU does not work this time, it is X | Jan 02 22:34 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it's as easy as saying "hey, install/start this particular conferencing app and call <my_address>" | Jan 02 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | but blaming X.org isn't really correct, I could blame AMD | Jan 02 22:35 |
| MinceR | certainly easier than trying to hack a closed protocol into working | Jan 02 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | but who do you blame, the guys who broke it or the guys who haven't fixed it yet | Jan 02 22:35 |
| MinceR | and then trying to keep up with random changes by m$ aimed at making third-party clients incompatible with their crap | Jan 02 22:35 |
| MinceR | and coping with their downtime | Jan 02 22:35 |
| MinceR | open standards exist for a reason | Jan 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | X.org would be the guys that threw a brick through your window, and you're to blame for not fixing the window | Jan 02 22:36 |
| cubezzz | that's why I continue to say avoid Microsoft stuff like the plague | Jan 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's how you're supposed to view the world according to the FOSS community | Jan 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | so in this perversion, it's AMD's fault | Jan 02 22:36 |
| MinceR | you follow the flock into the chasm and then you complain that you're falling | Jan 02 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | bastards | Jan 02 22:36 |
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| MinceR | it's certainly the FLOSS community's fault that m$ opposes the FLOSS community. how dare we exist? | Jan 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft broke AMD's drivers every 6 months like clockwork, and AMD customers had to spend the next 3 months waiting for new drivers, customers would be pissed at both parties | Jan 02 22:37 |
| cubezzz | FOSS pre-exists Microsoft | Jan 02 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | but since it's X.org breaking them every 3 months, and thou shalt never be pissed at open source organizations, it's just AMD that's the pricks | Jan 02 22:38 |
| cubezzz | they way things were, shall be again | Jan 02 22:38 |
| MinceR | what's x.org breaking? | Jan 02 22:39 |
| cubezzz | one basic problem is we don't really have programmers as much as we have weavers | Jan 02 22:39 |
| MinceR | be specific instead of random FUD. | Jan 02 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, yeah, AMD *could* release all specs of their card and get sued to bankruptcy | Jan 02 22:39 |
| cubezzz | and people don't try very hard to write portable code | Jan 02 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | or they could remove all features that a third party company licensed to them and go under cause Nvidia still supports that stuff | Jan 02 22:39 |
| MinceR | amd could acquire the rights to what their card is built on | Jan 02 22:39 |
| MinceR | or they could hire people who know how to write drivers | Jan 02 22:40 |
| MinceR | this isn't rocket science | Jan 02 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The rights to HDCP? You're shitting me | Jan 02 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'd love to see that go down | Jan 02 22:40 |
| MinceR | i couldn't care less about HDCP | Jan 02 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | imagine all the transistors on the card that are wasted to please the MPAA | Jan 02 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | kind of makes me want to throw up | Jan 02 22:41 |
| MinceR | the mpaa can get fucked | Jan 02 22:41 |
| MinceR | get a display that doesn't require HDCP | Jan 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | so almost all hardware is designed around whatever Microsoft is doing at the moment | Jan 02 22:42 |
| cubezzz | no | Jan 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | and if it happens to work on other operating systems, so much the better | Jan 02 22:42 |
| cubezzz | most HDTV's are Linux based | Jan 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Some are, because Linux can facilitate the DRM | Jan 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | and it's free to license and ship | Jan 02 22:43 |
| cubezzz | what DRM? I'm on antenna :) | Jan 02 22:43 |
| cubezzz | FTA FTW | Jan 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | why would they go out and pay for something when Linux meets all their criteria for free? | Jan 02 22:43 |
| MinceR | and like i said, amd could try hiring people who know how to code a driver | Jan 02 22:43 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, I'm in a DRM free zone | Jan 02 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | they could, but why? | Jan 02 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Is Linux making them a fortune? | Jan 02 22:44 |
| MinceR | so that their proprietary driver wouldn't suck? | Jan 02 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | Will they still have 99% of their business without it? | Jan 02 22:44 |
| MinceR | you know, that outmoded idea of making products that don't suck to make your business prosper? | Jan 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason a Linux driver exists at all is cause of their FireGL cards, which cost a lot of money | Jan 02 22:45 |
| cubezzz | no DMCA here | Jan 02 22:45 |
| MinceR | maybe it's been so long you usian guys have forgotten about it entirely | Jan 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | most of those customers are using RHEL or SUSE anyway | Jan 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | and AMD goes out of their way to certify the drivers for RHEL and SUSE | Jan 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | the bonus of a unified driver model is that lesser cards already have all or most of the work done to be supported as well | Jan 02 22:46 |
| MinceR | so why aren't you using RHEL or SUSE? | Jan 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | so really, it's a fortunate side effect that your RadeonHD works on Ubuntu | Jan 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | when they were targeting a FireGL card for RHEL | Jan 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't know really, just the oldness kind of puts me off | Jan 02 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure CentOS would run beautifully on this machine though | Jan 02 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat backports pretty much anything driver related | Jan 02 22:48 |
| MinceR | btw, it's possible to install a driver straight from the video card manufacturer | Jan 02 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | of course it is | Jan 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | but if it blows up cause your X.org is too new | Jan 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | maybe freezing your computer, maybe just tossing you out to a terminal | Jan 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | what do you do? | Jan 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | install an older x.org? | Jan 02 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I should just sit with my thumb up my ass and get acquainted with lynx, pine, and vi | Jan 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | not that it ever did that to me | Jan 02 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | til AMD gives me my GUI back | Jan 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | of course you could also try a different driver version | Jan 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Mandriva reacted badly to the Radeon driver IT INSTALLED | Jan 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | someone has their wires crossed | Jan 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | mandriva also handles locales incorrectly | Jan 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | the only current distributions which don't ignite when exposed to FGLRX are Ubuntu and OpenSuse | Jan 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | until hw manufacturers either get their shit together and start writing shitty drivers or they let someone else do that for them, their products will continue to work badly | Jan 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to install the drivers manually on OpenSuse cause PackMan still isn't packaging them | Jan 02 22:54 |
| MinceR | maybe you can work around that, maybe you can't | Jan 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | I like OpenSuse in a lot of ways | Jan 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | s/shitty/non&/ | Jan 02 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't seem to have those weird random horrible "only happens to me" bugs that Ubuntu does | Jan 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see an OS that doesn't produce weird bugs | Jan 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | if I had to make a fullscale Linux migration right now, it would be to OpenSuse | Jan 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | I mean if I picked something to occupy the whole drive | Jan 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Everyone will encounter different bugs in any OS | Jan 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | cause people use different programs and features and hardware | Jan 02 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | you may use something and it works perfectly, and I hit a dozen bugsi nthe first day | Jan 02 22:57 |
| trmanco | LOOL | Jan 02 22:57 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/18049057 | Jan 02 22:58 |
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| DaemonFC | doesn't mean they aren't there, it means the way I use the software triggers them | Jan 02 22:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 02 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | and it seems like every tiem you report something to Ubuntu, that argument always follows | Jan 02 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | where it doesn't happen to them, so it must not exist | Jan 02 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even having a bunch of people backing you up may not get any developer attention to fix it | Jan 02 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | they may even still try to say it's not a bug | Jan 02 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of times, Resolved Not A Bug just means "I don't want to get up off my ass and fix it, and it's not bothering me" | Jan 02 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 02 23:00 |
| MinceR | the above discussion seems to point to that it's more likely to mean "can't reproduce the bug" | Jan 02 23:01 |
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| DaemonFC | no, it just means it's not pissing anyone off who can fix it enough to be fixed | Jan 02 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's what INVALID or Not A Bug means 80% of the time | Jan 02 23:02 |
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| MinceR | most of the time i wouldn't be able to fix a bug that i can't reproduce :> | Jan 02 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | basically, the deficiency report of your typical Linux distribution whose goal is to scalp Windows users has changed little in the last 5 years | Jan 02 23:03 |
| MinceR | can't see what's causing it, can't tell if it's fixed by the changes | Jan 02 23:03 |
| ender2070_ | im being harassed again :( | Jan 02 23:04 |
| MinceR | it doesn't change much, considering what windows' deficiency report is | Jan 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The error messages are the first thing to horrify such a person | Jan 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | they don't tell you what's wrong or how to fix it, they just pump out a lot of gibberish most of the time | Jan 02 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | "There's something wrong with your JMF" | Jan 02 23:05 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - gibberish to you | Jan 02 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "What the hell is a JMF, what's wrong with it, how do I correct this?" | Jan 02 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | at least on Windows it'll tell you what you're missing that it's looking for | Jan 02 23:06 |
| ender2070_ | 1) Ask a programmer | Jan 02 23:06 |
| ender2070_ | 2) Become a programmer | Jan 02 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the error messages that I've seen on Linux make Windows 98 stack dumps look positively friendly and inviting | Jan 02 23:07 |
| ender2070_ | 3) Pay a corporate entity to "fisher price" it up for you | Jan 02 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | so you'd tell a 70 year old woman to become a programmer if Linux is pissing her off? | Jan 02 23:07 |
| ender2070_ | direct her to #3 | Jan 02 23:07 |
| ender2070_ | pay a corporate entity to make it easy for her | Jan 02 23:08 |
| ender2070_ | ie, microsoft | Jan 02 23:08 |
| ender2070_ | Windows is like training wheels to the illiterate | Jan 02 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | or Apple | Jan 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | 235708 < DaemonFC> MinceR: The error messages are the first thing to horrify such a person | Jan 02 23:08 |
| ender2070_ | yeah | Jan 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | 235731 < DaemonFC> they don't tell you what's wrong or how to fix it, they just pump out a lot of gibberish most of the time | Jan 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | welcome to the world of IT | Jan 02 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've given some passing thoughts to a Mac before | Jan 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | 235834 < DaemonFC> at least on Windows it'll tell you what you're missing that it's looking for | Jan 02 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | then I tried using one and froze it | Jan 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | no it won't | Jan 02 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 02 23:09 |
| MinceR | it will tell you "ask your sysadmin about it" | Jan 02 23:09 |
| MinceR | 1) he won't know any better than you will | Jan 02 23:09 |
| MinceR | 2) many users don't even have one | Jan 02 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I figure that if they freeze and crash and have malicious software, then why pay double to have one? | Jan 02 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 02 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: System Administrator for my PC? | Jan 02 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it's either me or the cat | Jan 02 23:10 |
| MinceR | exactly | Jan 02 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | I was kind of mad that they removed the classic start menu :( | Jan 02 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | What did it ever do to anybody? :P | Jan 02 23:12 |
| MinceR | it wasn't shiny or new enough | Jan 02 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | it was quicker to use | Jan 02 23:13 |
| ender2070_ | thats why they removed it | Jan 02 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | this new one is just awful, throws a million things you likely don't want right now in front of you and makes you click into another menu to see all your applications | Jan 02 23:13 |
| ender2070_ | ms takes a simple task, then makes it take longer by burying it behind menus and menus | Jan 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I hated it in XP and I hate it now | Jan 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | but now you can't turn it off | Jan 02 23:14 |
| MinceR | they had to force as many users to get used to the new one as possible, so that they'd insist on having a winblows version that has it, i guess | Jan 02 23:14 |
| ender2070_ | I use KDE's classic menu too | Jan 02 23:14 |
| ender2070_ | or I use KRunner | Jan 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say I've been hampered rather than helped by most of the GUI changes in Windows 7 | Jan 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I've considered popping Vista back in to revert the changes | Jan 02 23:15 |
| MinceR | i mostly use search from the kde menu or gmrun | Jan 02 23:15 |
| MinceR | or krunner | Jan 02 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | they have to support Vista Professional til 2016 | Jan 02 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I could just use it :P | Jan 02 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | or, Business | Jan 02 23:15 |
| MinceR | i think i have one more idea for forcing the new menu: the old one lacked some options that they wanted to make available and couldn't be bothered to implement them in the old one | Jan 02 23:16 |
| MinceR | but i don't know if it does | Jan 02 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care, I still want it back | Jan 02 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | there's some kind of program you can install that emulates the old start menu | Jan 02 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | but you can't remove the new one from the taskbar | Jan 02 23:16 |
| ender2070_ | I loves KRunner | Jan 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | you won't get it from me, i don't influence this stuff :> | Jan 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | i'd also use gnome-do to access my notes (txt files) by typing part of the name | Jan 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | but it insists on popping under all the other windows so i can't | Jan 02 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2227/get-the-classic-start-menu-in-windows-7/ | Jan 02 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | install one program to get it back and another one always loaded to suppress the new menu | Jan 02 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 02 23:18 |
| MinceR | that's the windows way | Jan 02 23:18 |
| MinceR | keep running 2 or 3 more apps to fix one feature | Jan 02 23:18 |
| MinceR | on kde, you can just add/remove applets to/from the panels | Jan 02 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | heh, I have a buyer for that old TV | Jan 02 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | get it out of here, make some money | Jan 02 23:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Douglas Hogg strikes back? :) | Jan 02 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | Comes back to have his moat cleaned again? | Jan 02 23:47 |
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