| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wkimedia makes its $7.5M! ps: if you really hate the banners, do feel free not to use Wikipedia. Start your own ad-free mirror maybe. | Jan 03 00:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft - Marketing and Public Relations #Patents http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/02/microsoft-monopoly-electromyography/ | Jan 03 00:10 | |
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| shreddar | What banners. The ones asking for donation? | Jan 03 00:10 |
| shreddar | I can't imagine anyone being bother by those. | Jan 03 00:10 |
| *MinceR feels free to use ABP :> | Jan 03 00:11 | |
| shreddar | Now if they started popup/popunder ads... | Jan 03 00:11 |
| shreddar | Or those annoying video ads that autoplay and aren't muted by default | Jan 03 00:12 |
| shreddar | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185708/how_digitized_content_democratizes_knowledge.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 03 00:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How Digitized Content Democratizes Knowledge - PC World .::. Size~: 71.22 KB | Jan 03 00:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Running Kahel OS through its paces...an Arch based distro which makes some grand claims.... #linux #foss #gnu | Jan 03 00:14 | |
| shreddar | It's amazing how it's easy to take this for granted or overlook it but the internet has and still is have a great impact on education and entertainment and in many example for free. | Jan 03 00:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/wfg60 - Shot of Kahel OS (12-25-2009) Review to follow soon. | Jan 03 00:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Shot of Kahel OS (12-25-2009) Review to follow soon. on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.89 KB | Jan 03 00:43 |
| ender2070_ | lol looks like Corel | Jan 03 00:46 |
| shreddar | Looks like Gnome to me. | Jan 03 00:47 |
| ender2070_ | the wallpaper | Jan 03 00:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, Im off to bed. Had a busy day with most of it not having an IT theme. Night all..... | Jan 03 00:48 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I used to use Corel software | Jan 03 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | stopped buying it when they started making you activate it, and enforced it with a process that always ran | Jan 03 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | I try to at least minimize my dependence on DRM-ridden software that's easily replaced | Jan 03 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | OpenOffice is a lot better than Corel's WordPerfect Office | Jan 03 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | Corel's doesn't even support OOXML *or* ODF | Jan 03 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | it supports its own formats which nothing else can even open | Jan 03 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | and Microsoft Office 2003 and earlier formats | Jan 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | Photo Paint and Corel Draw actually aren't terrible, but the DRM process that they come with should put you off from buying it | Jan 03 01:00 |
| ender2070_ | I used wordperfect back in high school | Jan 03 01:01 |
| ender2070_ | superior to ms word in every way | Jan 03 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | maybe back then | Jan 03 01:01 |
| ender2070_ | open office trumps both though | Jan 03 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: If you're paying $100 for an office suite, you expect it to have features that are not in someone else's freebie | Jan 03 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | not the other way around | Jan 03 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going to pay that much for WordPerfect Office, you should jsut go for broke and get MS Office | Jan 03 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | not that I'd suggest either | Jan 03 01:02 |
| cubezzz | I hated WP :) | Jan 03 01:03 |
| ender2070_ | when I used wordperfect it was Corel Office | Jan 03 01:03 |
| cubezzz | but I hated Microsoft even more | Jan 03 01:03 |
| ender2070_ | 6.x, 7.x 8.x and 9.x I used | Jan 03 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | OpenOffice actually poses more of a threat to Microsoft than Linux and every other open source program put together | Jan 03 01:03 |
| ender2070_ | this was before open office | Jan 03 01:03 |
| ender2070_ | office makes microsoft a killing | Jan 03 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, save for Firefox anyway | Jan 03 01:03 |
| cubezzz | paperclip wasn't too bad | Jan 03 01:04 |
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| shreddar | Yeah, DRM authenticated software is something that turns people off to alot of software. That is once they've spotted it. | Jan 03 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Yeah, it would be more of a tragedy if OOo and Firefox were gone than if Linux ceased to exist | Jan 03 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | OpenOffice is actually getting some serious adoption on Windows | Jan 03 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | and hurting Microsoft from there | Jan 03 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | that's what's funny | Jan 03 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | and they can't do anything about it without getting sued by entire countries | Jan 03 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | having OOo and Firefox on Windows has Microsoft fuming and impotent to stop them | Jan 03 01:05 |
| cubezzz | damn it cbc stop shifting your radio links | Jan 03 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | True that Microsoft doesn't actually make a lot of money directly from IE and their formats and such that you find online, but it does anger them that you can leave Windows and still browse the web just fine | Jan 03 01:07 |
| shreddar | That reminds the that logically Free/Stable/Mature/Flexible Software > Expensive/Buggy/Invasive/Un-flexible Software. | Jan 03 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is more or less the doorstop that keeps the door from slamming shut and locking you in with Windows | Jan 03 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | having their upper management recommending Bing is very disturbing indeed | Jan 03 01:08 |
| cubezzz | they just want to control everything | Jan 03 01:08 |
| cubezzz | don't let them | Jan 03 01:08 |
| ender2070_ | yes I found that disturbing | Jan 03 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | having them stand by and allow Microsoft to infect Firefox with their plug-ins is even more terrifying | Jan 03 01:08 |
| ender2070_ | whats better than firefox though? | Jan 03 01:09 |
| shreddar | Yes that would never have happend if they stayed non-profit. | Jan 03 01:09 |
| ender2070_ | nothing yet | Jan 03 01:09 |
| ender2070_ | stuff has potential to be better | Jan 03 01:09 |
| cubezzz | lynx | Jan 03 01:09 |
| shreddar | ender, Chrome is IMO. | Jan 03 01:09 |
| ender2070_ | Chrome has potential | Jan 03 01:09 |
| cubezzz | or even better... write your own browser | Jan 03 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | you literally have to stand around and wait for attack sites to start pwning Firefox users before Mozilla blacklists the MS plug-in that let it happen | Jan 03 01:09 |
| ender2070_ | Chrome is missing a decent adblocking plugin | Jan 03 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'm back to using Seamonkey for some reason or another :P | Jan 03 01:10 |
| cubezzz | tinycore for OS, lynx for browser, and do everything text based | Jan 03 01:10 |
| shreddar | ender, yeah, I've had problems with ads too. | Jan 03 01:10 |
| shreddar | I have tried any of the extensions yet though. | Jan 03 01:11 |
| shreddar | haven't | Jan 03 01:11 |
| cubezzz | damn it CBC | Jan 03 01:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Positive Outlook for #GNU #Linux This Year http://larrythefreesoftwareguy.wordpress.com/2009/12/31/and-now-for-2010/ | Jan 03 01:11 | |
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| cubezzz | activex horseshit | Jan 03 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Seamonkey is more of a community project | Jan 03 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft only appears to be targeting Firefox with malware | Jan 03 01:12 |
| ender2070_ | I am rooting for Chrome/Chromium | Jan 03 01:12 |
| ender2070_ | I think they can beat firefox soon | Jan 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it | Jan 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | they forgot rule #1 | Jan 03 01:13 |
| shreddar | Well they already beat them with Web Standards compliance. | Jan 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | Give the people what they want. | Jan 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 03 01:13 |
| shreddar | Also Speed | Jan 03 01:13 |
| cubezzz | CBC has regressed back to Microsoft only | Jan 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome is all about Google's agenda | Jan 03 01:13 |
| ender2070_ | Chrome is, Chromium isnt | Jan 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's still no ad blocker plugin | Jan 03 01:13 |
| ender2070_ | wrong | Jan 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Google is blocking it? | Jan 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 03 01:14 |
| ender2070_ | there is one, its not 100% yet | Jan 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | Privoxy does not count | Jan 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | Privoxy makes a lot of problems | Jan 03 01:14 |
| ender2070_ | adsweeper | Jan 03 01:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PuppyLinux Makes Migration to #GNU #Linux Logical http://systemsengineer.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/switching-to-linux-with-puppy/ | Jan 03 01:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | Firefox represents the dumbing down of Mozilla Suite | Jan 03 01:14 |
| ender2070_ | a flash click equivalent is also missing, iirc | Jan 03 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't like it from the first time I saw it | Jan 03 01:14 |
| ender2070_ | Arora has a lot of potential too, being light and webkit based | Jan 03 01:15 |
| shreddar | Also they have made great improvement in making a bloat-ware free browser. Redesigning the UI to be more intuitive and sleeker. | Jan 03 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | meh, there's also nothing stopping you from taking Gecko | Jan 03 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | using it | Jan 03 01:15 |
| ender2070_ | gecko is slow and bloated | Jan 03 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | K-Meleon did | Jan 03 01:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX / #Linux Luminary on Moving from Microsoft Partner to GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/ixql | Jan 03 01:16 | |
| DaemonFC | well, this Gecko 2.0 will supposedly rip out some of the $20,000 toilet seats | Jan 03 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | we'll see I guess | Jan 03 01:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Old #Windows PCs Turned to #GNU #Linux #Servers http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/12/30/convert-your-old-computer-to-a-linux-server/ | Jan 03 01:17 | |
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| cubezzz | this is the 4th time CBC radio has changed it's link | Jan 03 01:18 |
| shreddar | Firefox 4 will look very much like Chrome. | Jan 03 01:18 |
| shreddar | I take that as a sign that Mozilla is not leading with innovation. | Jan 03 01:19 |
| shreddar | Like they did with Firefox 1. | Jan 03 01:19 |
| cubezzz | bah | Jan 03 01:20 |
| ender2070_ | :D | Jan 03 01:20 |
| ender2070_ | 3.7 is supposed to have part of the new UI | Jan 03 01:20 |
| cubezzz | ok, figured out CBC radio 2: | Jan 03 01:21 |
| cubezzz | mplayer http://icy1.abacast.com/cbc-r2toronto-128 | Jan 03 01:21 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Monitored for Improvements http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kernel_tracker_one_month&num=1 | Jan 03 01:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Songbird Becomes Video Player Also http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/songbird-15-gets-video-playback-feature.html | Jan 03 01:23 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #WebBrowsers Support #Ogg , #Opera Makes it Official http://ur1.ca/ixr4 http://ur1.ca/ixr5 | Jan 03 01:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Games for #GNU #Linux : Goblin and the Butterfly http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14586 | Jan 03 01:26 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, CBC radio 1 is hidden behind a flash frontend | Jan 03 01:27 |
| cubezzz | the real link: | Jan 03 01:27 |
| ender2070_ | I got this excellent book on C | Jan 03 01:27 |
| cubezzz | mplayer http://icy1.abacast.com/cbc-r1toronto-96 | Jan 03 01:27 |
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| ender2070_ | I was able to download that | Jan 03 01:28 |
| ender2070_ | Konversation told my system to just download it | Jan 03 01:29 |
| cubezzz | yes, because I dug out the true link | Jan 03 01:29 |
| shreddar | are you using Konqurer? | Jan 03 01:30 |
| shreddar | Ow Wait you're using some text messaging client I see. | Jan 03 01:31 |
| ender2070_ | it didnt open a browser but I assume it used konquerer | Jan 03 01:31 |
| ender2070_ | I use a KDE Desktop | Jan 03 01:31 |
| ender2070_ | if someone links a pdf for anything, it launches the program directly even via http | Jan 03 01:32 |
| shreddar | That kinda sucks. | Jan 03 01:32 |
| ender2070_ | only if I click on it | Jan 03 01:33 |
| ender2070_ | I can right click and save as | Jan 03 01:33 |
| ender2070_ | :D | Jan 03 01:33 |
| ender2070_ | in most cases it doesn't suck because it launches the correct program | Jan 03 01:34 |
| shreddar | What happens if you use the Webchat client in Konqurer. Does it still do that? | Jan 03 01:34 |
| shreddar | Also have you tried Rekonq? | Jan 03 01:34 |
| ender2070_ | not sure | Jan 03 01:34 |
| ender2070_ | i use konversation | Jan 03 01:35 |
| ender2070_ | i love it | Jan 03 01:35 |
| ender2070_ | knotify grabs a lot of things | Jan 03 01:35 |
| ender2070_ | including downloads from konquerer | Jan 03 01:36 |
| ender2070_ | I wish firefox would integrate with it | Jan 03 01:36 |
| ender2070_ | that would be cool | Jan 03 01:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OMFG #Sidux installed in 3mins on my netbook, it boots nice and snappy too. Never seen any OS install so fast. Most impressed so far \o/ | Jan 03 01:36 | |
| ender2070_ | I've tried Rekonq, doesnt seem to be developed as often as Arora is | Jan 03 01:36 |
| shreddar | Yeah, firefox doesn't integrate very well with any linux desktop very well. | Jan 03 01:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Explains #Usability Aims http://www.obso1337.org/2010/kde-usability-goals-for-2010/ #kde | Jan 03 01:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: KDE Usability Goals for 2010 Celeste Lyn Paul .::. Size~: 34.45 KB | Jan 03 01:37 |
| ender2070_ | I like how the KDE apps integrate | Jan 03 01:37 |
| ender2070_ | they seem to all act nice together | Jan 03 01:38 |
| shreddar | Hopefully they make their browser not suck so bad. That's one usability goal I like them to adopt. | Jan 03 01:38 |
| ender2070_ | Konquerer isn't that bad anymore | Jan 03 01:38 |
| *cubezzz goes onto FM radio :-0 | Jan 03 01:38 | |
| ender2070_ | it doesnt render gmail properly, due to google being facist | Jan 03 01:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pardus #GNU #Linux Receives a Fantastic Review http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/pardus.html #turkey #kde | Jan 03 01:39 | |
| ender2070_ | checking the browser identity and downgrading | Jan 03 01:39 |
| ender2070_ | :( | Jan 03 01:39 |
| cubezzz | CBC is back in the sux category | Jan 03 01:40 |
| shreddar | It's still clunky though. They need to redesign the UI or spin off a new browser they will act less like a clobbering of other apps. | Jan 03 01:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Distros: #blackPanther OS 10.1 and #ZorinOS 2.0 Released http://www.blackpanther.hu/ http://ur1.ca/ixrp | Jan 03 01:40 | |
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| shreddar | http://picasaweb.google.com/adjam.photos/Rekonq#5390173208823360306 | Jan 03 01:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Picasa Web Albums - adjam - rekonq .::. Size~: 47.16 KB | Jan 03 01:43 |
| shreddar | rekonq seems to be something like that. | Jan 03 01:43 |
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| shreddar | I hope they won't skimp on the ever important History, Bookmark search engine and their apparent Uni bars features. | Jan 03 01:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Episodes of The #Linux Link Tech Show and #FLOSSWeekly http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_334-12-30-09.ogg http://twit.tv/floss102 | Jan 03 01:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #MySQL Has Good Future Ahead as Leading #Database http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/01/01/our-favourite-database-management-system-mysql/ | Jan 03 01:47 | |
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| ender2070_ | Arora is multi platform, rekonq is kde | Jan 03 01:48 |
| ender2070_ | does rekonq do adblock and flash click yet? | Jan 03 01:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Content and Licensing Models a Blessing to Knowledge http://ur1.ca/ixs0 http://ur1.ca/ixs1 | Jan 03 01:49 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: dwasifar's daily gripe » Plagiarism and the Creative Commons license .::. Size~: 35.82 KB | Jan 03 01:49 |
| shreddar | I don't use rekonq. I don't even use KDE. I just found out about it today looking for Webkit based browsers. | Jan 03 01:50 |
| ender2070_ | ohh okay | Jan 03 01:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Python #Programming Turns 20, Role in #GNU #/Linux Debated http://www.tenshu.net/archives/2009/12/31/python-wanderings-part-two/ | Jan 03 01:51 | |
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| shreddar | I struck me immediately as something I've been hoping the KDE devs would do. | Jan 03 01:51 |
| ender2070_ | what do you use? | Jan 03 01:51 |
| shreddar | I use Chromium on Gnome. | Jan 03 01:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WikiLeaks .org Looks for Grant, ACTA Leaks Lead to Results http://ur1.ca/ivop | Jan 03 01:52 | |
| ender2070_ | Sabayon :D | Jan 03 01:52 |
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| shreddar | Ender do you also use Sabayon on one of you computers or something? | Jan 03 02:01 |
| ender2070_ | I have a friend who does | Jan 03 02:03 |
| ender2070_ | and im a former gentoo user | Jan 03 02:04 |
| shreddar | I've been thinking about trying Gentoo but from what I hear you have to alway maintain it. | Jan 03 02:05 |
| ender2070_ | not any more than you do for sabayon | Jan 03 02:07 |
| ender2070_ | the only difference I noticed is that sabayon has binary packages, and gentoo compiles them | Jan 03 02:07 |
| ender2070_ | http://linuxcrunch.com/content/whats-new-kde-sc-44-videos | Jan 03 02:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What's new in KDE SC 4.4 with Videos ! | We love Linux ! .::. Size~: 28.77 KB | Jan 03 02:11 |
| shreddar | That's probably another reason I've been a hesitant to try it. I don't want to sped forever compiling stuff when I don't really have to. | Jan 03 02:11 |
| ender2070_ | yeah | Jan 03 02:12 |
| ender2070_ | I used gentoo up till Ubuntu 4.10 came out (2004) | Jan 03 02:13 |
| ender2070_ | I used that and various other distros till finally settling on Fedora when 11 came out | Jan 03 02:13 |
| ender2070_ | F12 is even better | Jan 03 02:13 |
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| TheMadHatter | evening. | Jan 03 02:15 |
| ender2070_ | hey | Jan 03 02:16 |
| TheMadHatter | Need a bit of assistance. You know anything about WordPress? | Jan 03 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://jwz.livejournal.com/1147218.html | Jan 03 02:16 |
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| DaemonFC | "SpamAssassin gives any message sent in 2010 a default score of 3.2 because that date "is grossly in the future." But it gets better: they discovered and "fixed" this in June 2009... but never bothered to push out a release. Because being fixed in CVS is good enough, right? That's the Linux way." | Jan 03 02:16 |
| ender2070_ | I know a little bit about Wordpress | Jan 03 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jan 03 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | or how about LAME, LAME is even worse | Jan 03 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | there has to be 1,000 patches before they put out a new release | Jan 03 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | even if 500 of those were critical | Jan 03 02:18 |
| TheMadHatter | OK, everything works, I can edit, post, just can't view the posts. I am assuming I'm missing a file, any ideas? | Jan 03 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | since there's approximately one or two people still working on it in spare time, the next release should only take another 1,000 years | Jan 03 02:19 |
| TheMadHatter | So someone screwed up. What else is new? | Jan 03 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that he said it's the Linux way, and that's true | Jan 03 02:19 |
| TheMadHatter | Bullshit. | Jan 03 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | something gets fixed and stays in git or CVS for months before anyone bothers to release it | Jan 03 02:19 |
| TheMadHatter | Again, bullshit. | Jan 03 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | or backport it to the version you're using | Jan 03 02:20 |
| ender2070_ | TheMadHatter +1 | Jan 03 02:20 |
| TheMadHatter | Bullshit. | Jan 03 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's the problem with distribution upgrades | Jan 03 02:20 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC is kind of a troll | Jan 03 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes you have to take the whole 3,000 packages to get the one feature you wanted | Jan 03 02:20 |
| TheMadHatter | There are amatuers (Spam Assassin) and pros (Linux Kernel project). | Jan 03 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think he was talking about programs that run on Linux | Jan 03 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | more than the kernel itself | Jan 03 02:21 |
| TheMadHatter | Or I could say there are amatuers (Microsoft) and pros (Free Software people) | Jan 03 02:21 |
| ender2070_ | :) | Jan 03 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's still features in free software that were in the proprietary software I was using 10 years ago | Jan 03 02:22 |
| ender2070_ | TheMadHatter - not sure about your wordpress problem, I didn't run into that | Jan 03 02:22 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - theres also features in proprietary software that were in free software over 10 years ago | Jan 03 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | still waiting, and waiting, and hair will turn gray and/or fall out before I see them I guess | Jan 03 02:22 |
| TheMadHatter | ender2070_ ok, will try WordPress IRC, just thought I'd drop in here first. | Jan 03 02:22 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - Microsoft didn't have TCP/IP until they used BSD (Free Software) code | Jan 03 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | I may die of old age before the free software driver supports my video card | Jan 03 02:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Deep-fried Coca-Cola. http://inventorspot.com/fried_soda Now they just need to do it to Irn-Bru. | Jan 03 02:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | much less the other problems | Jan 03 02:23 |
| TheMadHatter | Right. Now just ask yourself. Are they necessary? Because if they are, things like say, security patches, Microsoft is one of the worst offenders, with Apple not far behind. | Jan 03 02:23 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - get a video card that supports free software then | Jan 03 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | no cards that actually perform well support the FOSS driver | Jan 03 02:24 |
| ender2070_ | Intel | Jan 03 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you want something that's three years old, then "radeonhd" might do something for you | Jan 03 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | Intel doesn't make cards | Jan 03 02:24 |
| TheMadHatter | Newer ATI stuff is pretty good. Don't touch NVidia, odds are that they won't last out the year. | Jan 03 02:24 |
| ender2070_ | TheMadHatter - i'd say the opposite, but opinions are opinions :) | Jan 03 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | NVidia still has current Linux drivers for the TNT2 | Jan 03 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | ATI abandons cards that are still in devices under warranty | Jan 03 02:25 |
| TheMadHatter | Not an opinion - NVidia has some real bad problems - read their SEC filings. | Jan 03 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, if Nvidia goes under, it takes the only cards that have any kind of real Linux support | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | that aren't in some netbook you got with your box of cracker jacks, that is | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 03 02:26 |
| ender2070_ | TheMadHatter - I hate ATI more, their drivers usually depend on certain xorg versions | Jan 03 02:26 |
| TheMadHatter | not really. ATI/AMD has gotten a lot better. | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | bullshit | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | they don't support new Linux distros for months | Jan 03 02:26 |
| TheMadHatter | not in providing drivers - in providing information so that Free Software programmers can write drivers. | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | by the time there's an updated driver, Fedora 13 will be out and unsupported | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 03 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | so that the FOSS driver is a.5 years behind | Jan 03 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | *1.5 | Jan 03 02:27 |
| TheMadHatter | Actually from what I've seen the FOSS drivers are close to being current with ATI/AMD. | Jan 03 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | so if you have anything newer than 1.5 years old or older than 3, you're fucked with ATI/Linux | Jan 03 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | basically | Jan 03 02:28 |
| TheMadHatter | Not my experience. | Jan 03 02:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Firefox DOMINATES the Web in Antarctica! http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-an-monthly-200812-201001 | Jan 03 02:28 | |
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| ender2070_ | I really don't like AMD all that much | Jan 03 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | newer than 1.5 years old, the FOSS driver won't work and you can't be current with X.org or the kernel, older than 3, FGLRX drops you | Jan 03 02:28 |
| ender2070_ | they like microsoft too much | Jan 03 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | so you're kind of fucked no matter what with ATI, the only question appears to be "How?" | Jan 03 02:29 |
| TheMadHatter | Antartica. Nice place to visit. | Jan 03 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | the only options with Linux involving FOSS drivers for your GPU are shitty integrated or ancient ATI Radeon | Jan 03 02:30 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - nothing wrong with Intel gfx | Jan 03 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise, you depend on proprietary drivers which might not work anyway | Jan 03 02:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Go hear, search on Nvidia | Jan 03 02:30 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.semiaccurate.com/ | Jan 03 02:30 |
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| TheMadHatter | Charlie has a good reputation for accuracy. | Jan 03 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Linux + reasonable GPU = no win scenario | Jan 03 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Linux + shitty integrated GPU = Good to go | Jan 03 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be bragging about a system where 5 minutes in, when you go to install the video card driver, the system hangs and leaves a bunch of crap frozen on the screen and needs a hard reset | Jan 03 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | there's like, well, there's excuses for anything | Jan 03 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | there's no good one for that | Jan 03 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | and even if you blame AMD or X.org or the kernel people, in the end, it still does not work | Jan 03 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | the user sees that and chalks it up as "I tried Linux once and it failed immediately" | Jan 03 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | I presume that's why Ubuntu holds back to a version of the X server that works with the latest drivers | Jan 03 02:35 |
| TheMadHatter | Heh. Had the same problem with Windows. | Jan 03 02:35 |
| TheMadHatter | Anyway, I gotta go fight with Word Press. See ya. | Jan 03 02:35 |
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| DaemonFC | I'd split the blame 50/50 and say it was AMD and X.org that caused the problem by being a bunch of whining assholes and blaming each other rather than fixing the problem | Jan 03 02:37 |
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| shreddar | I've been hearing people say they are closer to having those graphics card supported directly in the kernel and they by mid 2011 everything should be working superbly. | Jan 03 03:08 |
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| shreddar | I never have to deal with that stuff because I never spend more than $300 on my computers. | Jan 03 03:09 |
| shreddar | I'm not some CGI effects movie rendering guru so I don't think I need that stuff. | Jan 03 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | perfect | Jan 03 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's like a whole year after it's totally obsolete anyway | Jan 03 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll donate it back to the Vietnamese schoolkid who probably made the damned thing to begin with :) | Jan 03 03:17 |
| shreddar | Well, the way I hear it all the future cards will are the ones that will be working. Not just the current ones. | Jan 03 03:18 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of stuff will be ready mid 2010 | Jan 03 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Latest ATI cards are waiting for lawyers to return from chrismas break to approve a set of paperwork. | Jan 03 03:27 |
| oiaohm | After that ATI driver makers should be able to start to being ahead of ATI card releases. | Jan 03 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, lawyers | Jan 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | I propose that we sacrifice them to an HP printer | Jan 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | to gain its favor | Jan 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/doc/linux.html | Jan 03 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 03 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | "See, unlike most hackers, I get little joy out of figuring out how to install the latest toy. I don't get much sense of reward from having discovered how to get the Foo card to coexist with the Bar card. As far as I'm concerned, that crap is a solved problem, and not worth revisiting. That's like banging rocks together and being proud that you've re-derived fire from first principles. It's... | Jan 03 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | ...boring." | Jan 03 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | how things never change | Jan 03 03:41 |
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| cubezzz | SGI Indy, I wonder what cards that can use | Jan 03 03:51 |
| cubezzz | I can tell you a little about what happened with Sun | Jan 03 03:51 |
| cubezzz | just before 2000 there was this idea that everyone needed tons of servers | Jan 03 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea, I've never used one | Jan 03 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | well, not enough to know anything about the hardware | Jan 03 03:52 |
| cubezzz | so all these data-centres were built but never used anywhere close to there full capacity | Jan 03 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | I did kick IRIX around for several minutes | Jan 03 03:52 |
| cubezzz | as a result, tons of Sun hardware was on the used market for cheap | Jan 03 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | meaning SPARC Linux machines waiting to happen | Jan 03 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | oh joy | Jan 03 03:53 |
| cubezzz | or Solaris | Jan 03 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | you're not making me more confident | Jan 03 03:53 |
| cubezzz | but you're quoting from Zawinski's web page that looks like it's from 2000 | Jan 03 03:54 |
| cubezzz | that's a decade old | Jan 03 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | the concept remains | Jan 03 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Why should I have to think about this? What year is it again?" | Jan 03 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | I've had those thoughts a few times when wondering why Linux is puking on something I do in Windows all the time | Jan 03 03:54 |
| cubezzz | someone has to write the drivers | Jan 03 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | the reason Ubuntu became so successful is because it covered up (not fix, covered up) most of the most horrific things Linux will do to its user | Jan 03 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | but there's still enough sharp edges to catch yourself on if you want to do much more than check your email | Jan 03 03:56 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure you can use PCI cards on Sparc | Jan 03 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | the "Check your sound card" crap was one of the most annoying things ever | Jan 03 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | Pulseaudio eventually did fix it, after a couple of years of breaking more than it covered up | Jan 03 03:58 |
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| cubezzz | I never have any trouble with old hardware | Jan 03 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is that Linux's sound system is not well conceived and relies on multiple layers maintained by different people to do what any modern integrated sound system should do | Jan 03 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | it would be almost funny if it didn't cause so many human sacrifices to it by people trying to make it work again without rebooting | Jan 03 03:59 |
| cubezzz | well, when I have the source code I can write my own patches and... | Jan 03 04:00 |
| cubezzz | that includes lgp source ;-) | Jan 03 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | but I think what he was saying is if Windows can do it, why can't Linux? | Jan 03 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's the mindset of the people who program the stuff | Jan 03 04:01 |
| cubezzz | BECAUSE OF NDA's | Jan 03 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | Linus Torvalds said once that you would not want him designing your GUI because you'd get something that worked fine for him, but was the most horrible thing you ever had to deal with | Jan 03 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think a lot of open source projects go that way | Jan 03 04:02 |
| cubezzz | I think he just likes text based stuff | Jan 03 04:02 |
| cubezzz | that's the whole point though | Jan 03 04:02 |
| cubezzz | write what you need or want | Jan 03 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | he's made some comments about switching to KDE and GNOME and back again | Jan 03 04:03 |
| cubezzz | if Analog Devices forces a card manufacturer to sign a NDA what can I do about it? | Jan 03 04:03 |
| cubezzz | nothing | Jan 03 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | he moved over to KDE cause GNOME was dumbing everything down and then got pushed back to GNOME cause KDE 4 was a disaster | Jan 03 04:03 |
| cubezzz | they aren't going to listen to anything I say | Jan 03 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | then went back to KDE recently | Jan 03 04:03 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/doc/linuxvideo.html | Jan 03 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 03 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | "How dare you criticize someone else's work! You got it for free! You should be on your knees thanking them for wasting your time!" | Jan 03 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jan 03 04:06 |
| cubezzz | no the best one is this one: | Jan 03 04:08 |
| cubezzz | "You're clearly an idiot, Linux is too sophisticated for you, you clearly are incapable of understanding anything, you should go back to kindergarten and/or use a Mac." | Jan 03 04:08 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jan 03 04:08 |
| cubezzz | wait, I found the perfect computer deal for you | Jan 03 04:10 |
| cubezzz | http://cgi.ebay.com/Sun-Enterprise-250-Ultra-Sparc-II-400MHz-Server_W0QQitemZ390136684802QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Servers?hash=item5ad5f56102 | Jan 03 04:10 |
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| DaemonFC | " (Really my eventual goal is to be able to create video on Linux, but I figured I'd start small, and see if I could just get playback working before trying something that is undoubtedly ten thousand times harder.) " | Jan 03 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I love him already | Jan 03 04:11 |
| cubezzz | 80 pounds, wow | Jan 03 04:11 |
| cubezzz | that's heavy | Jan 03 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to sell MY junk on Craigslist, not buy more of someone elses | Jan 03 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 03 04:12 |
| cubezzz | you can never have too much junk | Jan 03 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | How many Sun servers will I have if I by that one? | Jan 03 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | A. One more than I have any possible use for. | Jan 03 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | *buy | Jan 03 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | Find me something that interests me | Jan 03 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | Find me a Core i7 Mac for under $100 | Jan 03 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | funny how every PC I buy is my "last one" | Jan 03 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect that's cause of the Mac's pricing made worse by the fact that their financing system charges interest that would make the mafia blush | Jan 03 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | otherise, I would probably have one of their systems sitting on my desk | Jan 03 04:16 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: In the case of ATI/AMD is NDA with companies including Microsoft make life insanely hard releasing docs. | Jan 03 04:22 |
| ender2070_ | especially with ATI/AMD being so in bed with MSFT | Jan 03 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2008/03/#26 | Jan 03 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | "Honestly, I can't tell if the problem with the people pushing solar is that they are earnest-but-incompetent hippies, or are just straight-up scam-artists. Either way, it seems like it'd be more efficient to actually set paper money on fire and use that heat to drive a turbine." | Jan 03 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: What do you think about Zawinski trying to upgrade the DNA Lounge's servers and kiosks from Red Hat Linux 9 (2003) to Ubuntu 7.10 (late 2007) and giving up because Ubuntu was less stable? | Jan 03 05:21 |
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| Omar87 | Hello everyone! | Jan 03 06:55 |
| Omar87 | Okay guys, sorry for the bad words but..: FUCK MICROSOFT!!! | Jan 03 06:55 |
| Omar87 | "I'm going to F*CKING KILL MICROSOFT" ~ Omar S. Hafez | Jan 03 06:57 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I finally played #HalfLife2 after waiting 5 years (#Steam had the Orange Box cheap). Although it was too short, I am very impressed with it. | Jan 03 07:54 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/mac/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222100087 | Jan 03 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | California Science Center is sued for canceling a film promoting intelligent design | Jan 03 09:13 |
| schestowitz | "L.A.'s California Science Center will start the new year defending itself in court for canceling a documentary film attacking Charles Darwin's theory of evolution." | Jan 03 09:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/arts/la-et-science-center29-2009dec29,0,6400745.story | Jan 03 09:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: California Science Center is sued for canceling a film promoting intelligent design - latimes.com .::. Size~: 123.61 KB | Jan 03 09:13 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "_ theory_ of evolution." | Jan 03 09:14 |
| kecskebak | It is a theory - in Science theory means something different to in normal English | Jan 03 09:19 |
| kecskebak | Gravity is also a theory, but you don't see creative design fans jumping off of buildings | Jan 03 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | see | Jan 03 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why hate religion | Jan 03 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | science _is_ the worship of God. | Jan 03 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | in the most pure form | Jan 03 09:20 |
| kecskebak | s/creative/intelligent | Jan 03 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | we were "intelligently designed" in the sense that God created the fundamental physics in the Universe (including the Universe itself) | Jan 03 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | To merely claim what most religious assholes do (that God made the earth 4000 years ago and just plopped Adam and Eve here fully grown) is blasphemy. | Jan 03 09:22 |
| kecskebak | Really weak God that can be threatened by cancelling a movie. | Jan 03 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: the science center has a right to not show anything that isn't accepted science | Jan 03 09:24 |
| kecskebak | I agree | Jan 03 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a _science center_ not a fucking church | Jan 03 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you want your heathen shit shown, do it in a church | Jan 03 09:24 |
| ender2070_ | religions weaken God | Jan 03 09:25 |
| kecskebak | I was just saying, the fact they feel their God is so threatened by it that they feel they need to sue | Jan 03 09:25 |
| ender2070_ | by comparing God to humans | Jan 03 09:25 |
| kecskebak | Shows he's quite weak | Jan 03 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: I don't think God ever intended for science to give birth to religion | Jan 03 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | kecskebak: no, it shows they're quite weak | Jan 03 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | notice God is not personally suing | Jan 03 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | God is up whereever he is, goimg, "omfg not this shit again" | Jan 03 09:25 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 03 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | he probably has a counter somewhere ticking everytime a religious person does something stupid in his name | Jan 03 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its probably in the hurdreds of digits by now | Jan 03 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its slightly longer than the national debt clock >_> | Jan 03 09:27 |
| cubezzz | I think the 'young earthers' say the earth is 6,000 years old | Jan 03 09:29 |
| kecskebak | I've got friends who tell jokes older than that... | Jan 03 09:30 |
| cubezzz | 4000 years would only go back to 2000 BC :) | Jan 03 09:30 |
| kecskebak | And the BBC is showing repeats of Dad's Army that are twice as old | Jan 03 09:30 |
| cubezzz | I think the pyramids are older than that | Jan 03 09:30 |
| kecskebak | And the hot dog sausages in the local Tescos... | Jan 03 09:31 |
| kecskebak | They use carbon dating to work out the best before date | Jan 03 09:31 |
| cubezzz | :) | Jan 03 09:31 |
| ender2070_ | apparently im guilty of the criminal acts counterfitting and harassment | Jan 03 09:32 |
| cubezzz | how so? | Jan 03 09:33 |
| cubezzz | counterfeiting? | Jan 03 09:34 |
| ender2070_ | http://identi.ca/conversation/18033385#notice-18049057 | Jan 03 09:34 |
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| ender2070_ | bogus = counterfeit | Jan 03 09:34 |
| cubezzz | "The age of the pyramids reached zenith at Giza in 2575-2150 B.C." | Jan 03 09:35 |
| cubezzz | oh so you posted some guy's email on your blog? | Jan 03 09:36 |
| ender2070_ | no he posted mine | Jan 03 09:36 |
| ender2070_ | I sent him the DMCA notice, which I've been accused of counterfeiting | Jan 03 09:37 |
| schestowitz | "OK, it's really no shocker that Apple's iPod touch trounced Microsoft's Zune HD in holiday sales. But couldn't the Zune have at least done a little better? Amazon's list of Bestsellers in Electronics has the iPod touch in the second and third spot, (8GB and 32GB models), while the Zune HD (32GB) languishes at number 89." | Jan 03 09:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185644/microsoft_zune_eats_apple_ipod_dust_in_holiday_sales.html | Jan 03 09:38 |
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| ender2070_ | schestowitz - not many people want to buy a giant turd | Jan 03 09:39 |
| ender2070_ | ever see the brown one? lol | Jan 03 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | There is a brown one, yes... | Jan 03 10:06 |
| ender2070_ | oh wait I insulted zune | Jan 03 10:07 |
| ender2070_ | wheres my crucifix | Jan 03 10:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/whnwo - Kahel running Quake Live. Expect review shortly!(32bit,Gnome) #linux #foss #gnu | Jan 03 10:07 | |
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| schestowitz | Zune is not a religious item, so it doesn't entertain this type of legal protection | Jan 03 10:12 |
| Murloc | Meh watched Scary Movie 4 :p | Jan 03 10:18 |
| Murloc | But hey a giant Ipod emerging from the ground? Now if that isn't marketing i don't know what is. | Jan 03 10:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2009-12-30/boies-buys-7-8-million-manhattan-apartment-after-cut-update1-.html | Jan 03 10:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Boies Buys $7.8 Million Manhattan Apartment After Cut (Update1) - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 50.85 KB | Jan 03 10:25 |
| schestowitz | "David Boies, the antitrust lawyer who took on Microsoft Corp. and represented Al Gore in the contested U.S. presidential election of 2000, bought a seven room apartment overlooking New York’s Central Park for $7.75 million after the price was reduced by more than 20 percent." | Jan 03 10:25 |
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| oiaohm | http://stop.zona-m.net/node/65 Interesting | Jan 03 10:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Review - Kahel OS (version 12-25-09) (Gnome) http://tinyurl.com/ydqqb76 #linux #foss #gnu #free #gnome | Jan 03 11:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A recent comment has prompted me to check out the latest Planeshift build (0.5.0) Last time I looked it was a promising Linux MMORG #linux | Jan 03 11:20 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1 | Jan 03 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/02/1257224/Novelist-Blames-Piracy-On-Open-Source-Culture | Jan 03 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/01/ebook.piracy/index.html "With the open-source culture on the Internet, the idea of ownership -- of artistic ownership -- goes away," Alexie added. "It terrifies me." | Jan 03 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | What does that have to do with "open-source"? Nothing. | Jan 03 11:36 |
| schestowitz | open source is wrongly being associated with copyright infringement | Jan 03 11:36 |
| oiaohm | They are looking for someone to blame | Jan 03 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, or ways to name it | Jan 03 11:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SpamAssassin-s-new-year-hangover-894279.html | Jan 03 11:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SpamAssassin's new year hangover - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.17 KB | Jan 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Problem is projects like wikibooks is cutting in on there normally easy payday jobs schestowitz | Jan 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Then projects creating open source text books. | Jan 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | So writers of confliting items with open source find no one prepaired to pay for what they have made. | Jan 03 11:39 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I dont think they are trying to blame, I think its merely ignorance and lack of understanding on their part. | Jan 03 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Its a mixture _goblin | Jan 03 11:39 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: oh and good morning.... | Jan 03 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie open source project cutting into the markets. | Jan 03 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Then normal people who don't give a rats about copyright doing there normal thing. | Jan 03 11:40 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.diybookscanner.org/ And projects like this don't help the case either schestowitz | Jan 03 11:41 |
| MikeyC | Hey Roy, you get back ok? | Jan 03 11:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: DIY Book Scanning .::. Size~: 8.1 KB | Jan 03 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Open source has designed a way of converting the paper versions. So paper verisons are not safe from being turned electronic. | Jan 03 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Problem is everything that is created is a double sided source. Turning books digital are good for achiving. | Jan 03 11:42 |
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| schestowitz | hey, MikeyC | Jan 03 11:47 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 03 11:47 |
| oiaohm | Copy protection in media has been a losing battle. | Jan 03 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Expect authers of books to get more hostile to the open source world. Think how may books the Wikipedia has undone. I cannot say fear open source based documentation is groundless. | Jan 03 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: newspapers are already hostile towards it (Wikipedia and FOSS) | Jan 03 11:56 |
| schestowitz | It devalues them | Jan 03 11:56 |
| schestowitz | a lot of reistance to DRM comes from FSF and the same goes for defense of P2P. The RIAA/MAFIAA openly complained about the FSF more than once. | Jan 03 11:57 |
| oiaohm | encyclopedias think how many of them are no more due to the Wikipedia schestowitz | Jan 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Most homes with school age kids in westen world would have tried to have a copy. | Jan 03 11:58 |
| Omar87 | Hi all | Jan 03 12:00 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: did you see my messages earlier today? | Jan 03 12:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Encarta | Jan 03 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: hey | Jan 03 12:00 |
| schestowitz | I have something to show you | Jan 03 12:01 |
| schestowitz | A Vista 7 ad from Jordan | Jan 03 12:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/258904 | Jan 03 12:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: okay, let me see. | Jan 03 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: what from earlier? | Jan 03 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | It's not news, it's an ad disguised as news | Jan 03 12:01 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying that Doggie moved to Crunchies | Jan 03 12:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: yes, the same thing happened in my college. | Jan 03 12:02 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: they have a whole lab powered by Vista 7. | Jan 03 12:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30299/1066/ | Jan 03 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: just another Vista, nothing to worry about | Jan 03 12:04 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I know. :) | Jan 03 12:04 |
| MinceR | "powered"? :> | Jan 03 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Zayed posted this http://linuxcrunch.com/content/whats-new-kde-sc-44-videos | Jan 03 12:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What's new in KDE SC 4.4 with Videos ! | We love Linux ! .::. Size~: 33.01 KB | Jan 03 12:04 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: :-) | Jan 03 12:04 |
| oiaohm | I better they did not have to pay for windows 7 | Jan 03 12:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, it takes up a lot of electricity | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Vista takes energy consumption to a whole new level | Jan 03 12:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: in Jordan Microsoft lets counterfeiting be | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | And makes it cheap | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | New: http://www.sundaytimes.lk/100103/BusinessTimes/bt37.html | Jan 03 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 100 million rupees grant from Microsoft to MOE .::. Size~: 27.4 KB | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/235856/microfinance-sector-taps-microsoft-intensify-technology-adoption | Jan 03 12:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microfinance sector taps Microsoft to intensify technology adoption | Manila Bulletin .::. Size~: 20.91 KB | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna write about these tomorrow | Jan 03 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Dumping in education, via Microsoft NGOs too | Jan 03 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Encarta is only one of many to go buy buy schestowitz Lot of uni based ones are gone. | Jan 03 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Britannica tried to copy the Wiki model | Jan 03 12:10 |
| oiaohm | 2010 is when at long last Linux gets lots of the tech to compete with windows. | Jan 03 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Now the MS people are trying to claim Linux is cloning windows. | Jan 03 12:10 |
| schestowitz | They probably have longer to survive because of reputation. Nothing lasts forever,. | Jan 03 12:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: and suing it | Jan 03 12:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Iwonder how many peeps thought of Total Recall when they heard about a full body scanner | Jan 03 12:11 | |
| oiaohm | Sueing Linux is a death sence of MS. | Jan 03 12:11 |
| schestowitz | That's OK, as long as Linux developers don't pay attention to Microsoft intimidation and trash talk | Jan 03 12:11 |
| oiaohm | There is no major hardware vendors that don't support Linux. | Jan 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they have become more secretive about it. IMHO. I'll explain why. | Jan 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Last year if I searched "Microsoft" and "Linux" in same headline you could see confrontations from Micrsoft | Jan 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Right now Microsoft know it gets flak for attacking Linux. Big PR blunders... | Jan 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | So it seems to be doing it only quietly... like passing patents to trolls | Jan 03 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Also that Linux supports will fight to the death. | Jan 03 12:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 03 12:13 |
| schestowitz | # IP Innovation v. Red Hat & Novell, Case No. 07–cv-0447; Patent Nos. 5,072,412 and 5,394,521. | Jan 03 12:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2009/12/patent-law-bits-and-bytes-holiday-cheer.html | Jan 03 12:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Central Office of Information spent £20,000 on summer party for staff | UK news | The Observer http://tinyurl.com/yeury3e | Jan 03 12:13 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: nvidia drivers enter Linux (the free ones) | Jan 03 12:13 |
| schestowitz | 2.6.33 | Jan 03 12:13 |
| oiaohm | SCO case was classic. | Jan 03 12:13 |
| oiaohm | All the parties involved could have settled out. But no they wanted revenge so no settle. | Jan 03 12:14 |
| oiaohm | If MS wants to take on Linux they better be ready for years in court. | Jan 03 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Apple fans are afraid of Mobile Linux. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/01/02/android-hype-vehicle-set-to-crash-in-2010/ | Jan 03 12:14 |
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| oiaohm | And if Linux cannot win it court they will just run them out of money. | Jan 03 12:14 |
| oiaohm | And win by default. | Jan 03 12:14 |
| schestowitz | "...Microsoft wished to promote SCO and its pending lawsuit against IBM and the Linux operating system. But Microsoft did not want to be seen as attacking IBM or Linux." --Larry Goldfarb, Baystar, key investor in SCO | Jan 03 12:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Retailers fear Simon Cowell and Harry Potter overkill | Business | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yas54xa | Jan 03 12:15 | |
| schestowitz | Substitute IBM with Red Hat and SCO with Acacia? | Jan 03 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Apple fans are really nervous about this..... http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/12/29/googles-nexus-one-takes-on-droid-as-apples-iphone-app-store-grows/ | Jan 03 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20091227/google-takes-dell-and-microsoft-with-own-chrome-based-netbook.htm | Jan 03 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/02/exclusive-google-nexus-one-hands-on-video-and-first-impressio/ | Jan 03 12:16 |
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| oiaohm | Boy the apple fans have missed the big one schestowitz | Jan 03 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Android is sneaky. The Android app store is at the control of the provider. So closed source applications they get paid for. | Jan 03 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... shilling for Rockerfeller and Gates for Monstanto? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/allen-s-levine/world-hunger-requires-res_b_384057.html | Jan 03 12:20 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: "A court dismissed changes against Blackwater guards who killed Iraqi civilians, saying prosecutors acted illegally collecting evidence. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#02%20January%202010%20%28Changes%20against%20Blackwater%20guards%29 | Jan 03 12:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Android store claims 20k apps | Jan 03 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Apple's numbers don't matter much, there's already an abundance | Jan 03 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Many Java app devs are porting to Android | Jan 03 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9142866/Jobs_to_unveil_Apple_tablet_next_month_ex_Google_exec_says | Jan 03 12:31 |
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| oiaohm | http://qt.gitorious.org/~taipan/qt/android-lighthouse Could be way more than 20k quicky if this gets working schestowitz | Jan 03 12:33 |
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| oiaohm | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2009/09/now-available-android-16-ndk.html Most people missed this. Andriod will not be just java. | Jan 03 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | Many apps there require rooting, I heard yesterday on the Linux Tech Show | Jan 03 12:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10014/webos-doom-paving-way-for-future-sdl-ports/ | Jan 03 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | That would help Palm a lot | Jan 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.glge.org/ This is coming along nicely. | Jan 03 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-lost-boys3-2010jan03,0,3142403.story He formed a nonprofit, Ubuntu, and in January 2008 returned to treat patients and train staff at a clinic in Akon. | Jan 03 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theubuntu.org/ | Jan 03 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | Gr..... something hammers on BN again | Jan 03 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Looks like some Windows bots | Jan 03 13:16 |
| schestowitz | I've set iptables to block them | Jan 03 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Site unavailable for a long time due to these | Jan 03 13:17 |
| pawel_121 | windows shouldn't be allowed to access internet | Jan 03 13:18 |
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| pawel_121 | I keep this thing only for few games | Jan 03 13:19 |
| schestowitz | So why preach to the chair, then? | Jan 03 13:20 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather WIndows surfers become aware of Microsoft's unacceptable behaviour. They are least likely to know about it | Jan 03 13:20 |
| schestowitz | I've probably wasted 3 hours during this vacation fighting those bots that denies thousands from accessing the site | Jan 03 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Now that's what they call TCO :-) | Jan 03 13:21 |
| pawel_121 | many people are just unaware zombies ;) | Jan 03 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Vast majority | Jan 03 13:22 |
| schestowitz | The press doesn't report on it and those who try get their stories spikes or job lost | Jan 03 13:22 |
| schestowitz | /spikes/spiked/ /denies/denied/ | Jan 03 13:23 |
| schestowitz | How many Linux users are likely to buy this thing? http://www.thedigitalnewsroom.com/en/News/2589/Bibble_5_Pro_now_finally_available.htm | Jan 03 13:23 |
| schestowitz | This is mostly aimed at Windows users, I reckon | Jan 03 13:23 |
| schestowitz | http://itechreport.com/2010/01/02/mozilla-releases-firefox-for-maemos-first-release-candidate/ | Jan 03 13:24 |
| pawel_121 | ms and its slaves is like a mafia | Jan 03 13:24 |
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| pawel_121 | are* | Jan 03 13:24 |
| pawel_121 | it looks similar to DigiKam | Jan 03 13:25 |
| oiaohm | you can take style that both are QT applications pawel_121 | Jan 03 13:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghacks.net/2010/01/02/how-to-choose-a-linux-distribution-flow-chart/ | Jan 03 13:29 |
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| pawel_121 | oiaohm ok | Jan 03 13:29 |
| pawel_121 | I'd rather choose DigiKam :) | Jan 03 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Gwenview for me | Jan 03 13:30 |
| schestowitz | It's also plasmafied | Jan 03 13:30 |
| oiaohm | DigiKam is mostlikely more functinal. | Jan 03 13:31 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.neowin.net/news/main/10/01/03/googlle-opens-technology-certification-school-in-india http://www.neowin.net/news/main/10/01/03/googlle-opens-technology-certification-school-in-india | Jan 03 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/02/google-school-googlle/ | Jan 03 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | "They apparently offer two certifications: “GCPA – Googlle Certified Professional in Advanced Computing,” which promises to teach you technologies related to “Windows Professional” and “Linux Professional.” The other certification is “GCPE – Googlle Certified Professional in E-Commerce,” which gives you more consumer-oriented skills, such as Photoshop.' | Jan 03 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " These courses take two years to complete, but the site notes that they also offer “Modular courses – duration 60 days to 90 days that can enhance your computer skills and offer you “GOOGLLE” certification, no matter what your specific requirement.” Oh goody, a Googlle certification." | Jan 03 13:37 |
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| kecskebak | Read something interesting today. The USA is like a person earning $200,000 dollars a year with a debt of $12 million | Jan 03 13:45 |
| kecskebak | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16749 | Jan 03 13:46 |
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| pawel_121 | oiaohm DigiKam is mostlikely more functinal. | Jan 03 13:49 |
| pawel_121 | oiaohm and it's free :) | Jan 03 13:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] It just occurred to me, but should the White House be renamed to reflect a multicultural US? I know it refers to the building itself btw | Jan 03 14:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] congrats to Leeds Utd, the best team won today, despite the terrible refereeing. | Jan 03 15:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/comcast-deploying-astroturfing-services-of-radian6-spying-on-blog-postings-with-their-services/#comment-1241 | Jan 03 15:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Comment 4 | Jan 03 15:12 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz: http://stop.zona-m.net/node/65 | Jan 03 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | YEs, I saw | Jan 03 15:27 |
| amarsh04 | np... | Jan 03 15:27 |
| amarsh04 | btw DaemonFC, in your posting here about ATI, you were saying that anything more than about 3 years old wasn't supported in Linux. That might be true for proprietary fglrx, but with the free drivers I'm getting good results from the 2003 era radeon 9200se and the 2008 era radeon 3200hd | Jan 03 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX has a very limited range of cards that it gives so-so performance on | Jan 03 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather use Windows than put up with it | Jan 03 15:31 |
| amarsh04 | I'd rather use Free drivers (-: | Jan 03 15:31 |
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| DaemonFC | I've personally come to think the open source deal was a copout sprung from not wishing to provide proper support for their products | Jan 03 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | the open source driver only kind of half works with a card whose first reference chipset came out just over one year ago, so you tell me | Jan 03 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | I can get good 2d acceleration, Compiz, and some accelerated OpenGL support on certain programs | Jan 03 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Fedora 13 will ship with the rest of the support for my card, who knows? Here's hoping | Jan 03 15:33 |
| amarsh04 | I certainly had fun finding and installing a driver for the 9200se that worked in the ancient w95osr2 on another hard disk in the machine, likewise for the realtek 8139 installed for 100 Mbit/s ethernet | Jan 03 15:33 |
| shreddar | http://gizmodo.com/5436527/winzip-you-have-underestimated-the-cheapness-of-man | Jan 03 15:34 |
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| DaemonFC | Like, I could get Sauerbraten to run wonderfully, but Prey (Linux version) wouldn't work | Jan 03 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | neither would any Windows game I tried out in Wine | Jan 03 15:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Twitter users urged to stay calm during Fry drought http://newstechnica.com/?p=1079 | Jan 03 15:34 | |
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| shreddar | I myself never once considered paying for a Zip/Unzip program. | Jan 03 15:34 |
| amarsh04 | funnily enough W95osr2 worked fine with the soundblaster live!5.1 model 0220, which wouldn't work properly with later versions of ms-windows | Jan 03 15:35 |
| amarsh04 | I registered PKZIP 2.04g | Jan 03 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: I just used the DOS version of pkzip/pkunzip for YEARS | Jan 03 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | like, I was still using them until Windows Me had native ZIP support | Jan 03 15:35 |
| amarsh04 | or maybe that was just DSZ | Jan 03 15:35 |
| amarsh04 | I did register PAK 2.10 | Jan 03 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | funniest part was that they were 30 day shareware that were nagging me for like 10 years to register them :) | Jan 03 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows version of PKZIP had a freeware mode where it installed Cydoor spyware | Jan 03 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | or you could pay them $40 | Jan 03 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | I chose to use the DOS version | Jan 03 15:36 |
| amarsh04 | and paid for a PPP stack for MS-DOS. Novell should have just made LAN Workplace for DOS FLOSS when they abandoned it | Jan 03 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: What was worse was paying for TCP/IP on Windows 3.1 or the first iteration of Windows 95 | Jan 03 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | $30 license for Trumpet Winsock | Jan 03 15:37 |
| amarsh04 | my work was running Netware 3.12 so they purchased the Novell Client kit which came with the TCP/IP stack | Jan 03 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | you could do that, or you could choose AOL, MSN, Compuserve, Prodigy....instead of the real internet | Jan 03 15:38 |
| shreddar | If Windows was Trial Ware I bet most people would just as easily not pay. (Which is why they couldn't do that 3 Application antif-eature they wanted for the beginner version) | Jan 03 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Microsoft never sold Windows 95 OSR 2/2.1 directly | Jan 03 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | it had FAT32 and TCP/IP by default, as well as full support for USB 1.1 | Jan 03 15:39 |
| amarsh04 | yes, I know, it's still installed and runnable on this machine | Jan 03 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | of course there kind of were no PCs that supported USB really and Apple was trying to make Firewire the standard | Jan 03 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | I came close to buying a Mac when they released the G4 cube but went with a Windows 98 PC instead | Jan 03 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | OS 9 was just as bad really | Jan 03 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | some people had tried to install Linux and were never heard from again because it didn't support their modem :) | Jan 03 15:41 |
| amarsh04 | depends on the era... I found an old soyo motherboard from the mid-90's that had pins for connecting USB which worked fine | Jan 03 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | actually it's funny, because Linux never had proper 3dfx graphics card support until years after the company went bankrupt | Jan 03 15:42 |
| amarsh04 | this machine from early 1998 has 2 usb sockets on the back | Jan 03 15:42 |
| amarsh04 | well, the DPT SCSI controller in this machine is just a twinkle in Adaptec's eye now | Jan 03 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | Linux rule appears to be "If it doesn't work and there are only a few billion people that have such a device, try back in a year or three" | Jan 03 15:43 |
| amarsh04 | no trace of drivers on adaptec's site | Jan 03 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | Adaptec I think is who made my CD burning software that I was using like 12 years ago | Jan 03 15:44 |
| amarsh04 | runs fine in linux | Jan 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | tried to keep using it in Windows ME but it wouldn't work fully | Jan 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | the entire drive backup needed DOS | Jan 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | so I ended up patching Windows ME to allow booting to DOS | Jan 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | and all was well for like a year until Windows XP came out | Jan 03 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I got an XP system on the first day you could get them | Jan 03 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of application crashes, driver problems, blue screens of death. The original XP was worse than Windows 98 | Jan 03 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | and it took 4 years and two service packs before I really wanted to deal with it (I ducked back to Windows 2000) | Jan 03 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know HOW Microsoft can be this awful and somehow Linux appeals to me less. I presume it's because I have hardware that's less than 5 years old most of the time. | Jan 03 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer driver crashes to device doesn't work | Jan 03 15:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novint Falcon Input Device Under #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/03/novint-falcon-linux/ | Jan 03 15:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Novint Falcon Input Device Under Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.94 KB | Jan 03 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, I'd prefer neither but there doesn't seem to be an OS for that | Jan 03 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 can play my games for 1 second - infinity hours before the driver has a problem, the game is shut down, Aero disappears, and then everything comes back up | Jan 03 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just this system either | Jan 03 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | There's quite a few new bugs here that I never encountered in Vista | Jan 03 15:50 |
| shreddar | Stop being a early adopter then. | Jan 03 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I probably should | Jan 03 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | there was a Service Pack 1 branch before Windows 7 RTM even shipped | Jan 03 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | probably see that sometime this year or early next | Jan 03 15:52 |
| shreddar | Buy hardware/software package that is proven to work. The Latest isn't always the greatest. | Jan 03 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | my hardware is pretty mainstream | Jan 03 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not buying anymore Nvidia stuff because of their political contributions if nothing else | Jan 03 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | If Nvidia wants to donate to get crap like Prop 8 passed, they can do it without my money | Jan 03 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really care if they do have good Linux drivers | Jan 03 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | "Lets all sell our soul and work for Satan cause it's easier" | Jan 03 15:56 |
| schestowitz | bbl, off to the gym | Jan 03 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | brb, off to the Huggy Bear to get my daily 88 ounces of diet mountain dew | Jan 03 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | or legal crack cocaine as I sometimes refer to it | Jan 03 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | I really need to start parking my car where the sun can hit the windshield :P | Jan 03 15:59 |
| MikeyC | hey roy, you there? | Jan 03 16:11 |
| MikeyC | i'm going gym too | Jan 03 16:12 |
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| Omar87_ | Hi all | Jan 03 16:14 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: are you there? | Jan 03 16:14 |
| shreddar | No he went to the gym. | Jan 03 16:15 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: I see. | Jan 03 16:16 |
| Omar87_ | Okay, guys, ya know what? | Jan 03 16:16 |
| shreddar | 'Sup Omar? | Jan 03 16:17 |
| Omar87_ | With every day that passes, I'm beginning to become more and more obsessed with just destroying M$ at any cost. | Jan 03 16:17 |
| Omar87_ | The way people are worshipping that company just never fails to piss the living hell outta me. | Jan 03 16:18 |
| shreddar | I don't think those are real people. | Jan 03 16:18 |
| Omar87_ | I mean.. is this healthy? Is it bad? What should I do? | Jan 03 16:19 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: they are, man. Trust me. | Jan 03 16:19 |
| shreddar | The only real people who like them are business guys. | Jan 03 16:19 |
| shreddar | Investors. | Jan 03 16:19 |
| Omar87_ | shreddar: I know people who literally refuse to know anything but Micrsoft. | Jan 03 16:19 |
| shreddar | And dudes from Michigan. | Jan 03 16:19 |
| Omar87_ | Microsoft** | Jan 03 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87_: But what about all the good things Hitler did? Oh wait...... | Jan 03 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 03 16:20 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: what? | Jan 03 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if anyone else got that | Jan 03 16:21 |
| Omar87_ | [<DaemonFC>: "Lets all sell our soul and work for Satan cause it's easier"] | Jan 03 16:23 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: Exactly, that's how people are thinking. | Jan 03 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87_: I was mainly referring to Nvidia and their political contrbutions | Jan 03 16:24 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: except for the fact that ppl don't see MS as satan. | Jan 03 16:24 |
| kecskebak | I think in many cases Microsoft is seen as safe - it's like "No-one ever got fired for buying IBM" syndrome | Jan 03 16:24 |
| kecskebak | As soon as you leave One Microsoft Way you have to make decisions | Jan 03 16:24 |
| kecskebak | And most managers can't do that | Jan 03 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | kecskebak: When Jamie Zawinski is having problems getting Linux to work | Jan 03 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | and can't figure out why it's doing what it does | Jan 03 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | I take that as a sign that if someone much smarter than I am is having those problems, it's not just me | Jan 03 16:25 |
| shreddar | Who Jamie Zawinski? | Jan 03 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | and that I may want to just abandon all hope of getting it to do what I want | Jan 03 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: Programmer, all around smart guy | Jan 03 16:26 |
| kecskebak | Every year I've been using GNU/Linux it's been doing more and more of the things I want | Jan 03 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | worked on Netscape, Mozilla, XEMacs, tons of Linux stuff | Jan 03 16:27 |
| kecskebak | It still can't do everything, but things are looking better each year | Jan 03 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | and makes PALM apps and distributes them under the GPL | Jan 03 16:27 |
| kecskebak | I can't speak for anyone else. but personally I'm really optimistic | Jan 03 16:27 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: oh, come on, now. Mozilla stuff can't do everything? | Jan 03 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | for his personal use, he gave up and just bought a Mac, but for the DNA Lounge he still uses Linux on most everything | Jan 03 16:27 |
| shreddar | The thing I hate about Linux is that I've been unable to make contact with Cybertron with it. I $%^ing hate it! Why do these things have to be so difficult!! | Jan 03 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | He left his main server running Red Hat Linux 9 until 2008 | Jan 03 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | because Ubuntu had more problems when he tried to upgrade to that | Jan 03 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | he also wrote about upgrading to Fedora 5 once because the latest official Fedora 4 updates destroyed ALSA and lost him his right stereo channel | Jan 03 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | I always laugh when he writes this stuff about his Linux frustrations because it's kind of horrifying that he can't figure it out | Jan 03 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | then his rant about XINE and MPlayer was knee-slapping funny | Jan 03 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | "When Mplayer creates a new window, it automatically moves your cursor to the upper left so that when it starts spitting out dialogs that say "Error!" 5 times a second, you have to log into another terminal to kill it remotely" | Jan 03 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | or something to that effect | Jan 03 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | it got real good when he started talking about Mplayer's terrible GUI | Jan 03 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | I myself have always avoided MPlayer, I have always hated it | Jan 03 16:33 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: don't forget that Linux is, in fact, the most rapidly developing OS. | Jan 03 16:33 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: I fail to see why. | Jan 03 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | when something brings it in as a dependency, a little piece of me dies | Jan 03 16:33 |
| Omar87_ | MPlayer is a pretty good program. I use it almost always. Does really need to have a good GUI? | Jan 03 16:34 |
| Omar87_ | Does *it*... | Jan 03 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of the GUI work on open source apps is either amateur or so totally complex that you'll never figure it out | Jan 03 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's the problem KDE and GNOME have stated they want to solve | Jan 03 16:34 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: not really. | Jan 03 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | they do solve a lot of it, in the programs that are officially from GNOME and KDE | Jan 03 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | but that's like 10% of what you're going to use | Jan 03 16:35 |
| ender2070_ | shut up | Jan 03 16:36 |
| shreddar | KDE is mature. Firefox 1 was nothing to scoff at either. | Jan 03 16:36 |
| ender2070_ | if you dont like it, help out | Jan 03 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME has been struggling with the functionality vs. pissing the user off with stuff that they'll never need that only gets in the way problem | Jan 03 16:36 |
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| shreddar | I agree Gnome does have a crappy UI. | Jan 03 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: So why is it exactly, that on Windows or Mac, most of the apps don't look or act freakishly different or totally alien from one another | Jan 03 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | when this is the norm on Linux | Jan 03 16:37 |
| ender2070_ | windows and mac have less choice | Jan 03 16:37 |
| shreddar | I would like to start another Gnome project but I can't program myself out of a paper bag. | Jan 03 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: They have all their own programs, and pretty much everything open source as well | Jan 03 16:37 |
| ender2070_ | shredder +1 - i have the same idea but no programming skills or bandwidth | Jan 03 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, Windows applications give me fine grained control whereas GNOME applications give me some presets that someone thought I should use | Jan 03 16:38 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - nobody wants to conform to one toolkit | Jan 03 16:38 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: in my opinion, KDE has completely bypassed Winblows a long time ago. | Jan 03 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Gstreamer is the biggest example of that | Jan 03 16:38 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - KDE is a good example of unity btw | Jan 03 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | so I have to use KDE and KDE applications to get the same level of control that I get on Windows | Jan 03 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | and it has entire pieces missing or makes simple things complicated | Jan 03 16:39 |
| ender2070_ | go back to windows then | Jan 03 16:39 |
| ender2070_ | if you like it so much | Jan 03 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, every distribution that has ever really tried to mimic Windows or Mac has chosen KDE | Jan 03 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME looks, feels, and acts dated and dumbed down | Jan 03 16:40 |
| ender2070_ | KDE and its apps are the most polished | Jan 03 16:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @extremizt: Google and India Test the Limits of #Liberty http://bit.ly/7oXB4g | Jan 03 16:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @brpbhaskar: What next? Muslim Only lines at airports? http://bit.ly/7Xa9iF | Jan 03 16:40 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google and India Test the Limits of Liberty - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 132.67 KB | Jan 03 16:40 |
| ender2070_ | KDE has a framework that other apps can integrate with | Jan 03 16:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What's Next: Muslim-Only Lines At Airports? - NAM .::. Size~: 37.65 KB | Jan 03 16:40 |
| shreddar | If I did have the skills I wouldn't want to use GTK+ anyway. I'd start with KDE libs. Then eliminate the bloat and make a UI surrounding the browser. | Jan 03 16:40 |
| ender2070_ | Novell and Ubuntu even have a version of firefox that integrates better with KDE, they got the file chooser dialog in there and buttons | Jan 03 16:41 |
| shreddar | It'd be so cool the way I'm imagining it. | Jan 03 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: GNOME and GTK+ seem like they have no idea where they're going exactly | Jan 03 16:41 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - i can agree with you on gnome | Jan 03 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | and that scares me considering a major new release it no more than a year away | Jan 03 16:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] why do some apps or config screens STILL stretch beyond the screen size & offer no scroll function. It's 2010; why do we have to drag stuff? | Jan 03 16:41 | |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - however I think KDE is doing the best job right now | Jan 03 16:41 |
| shreddar | I'm still wondering why middle click scroll isn't available in GTK/Gnome apps. | Jan 03 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Probably so | Jan 03 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | I really wish they'd port the whole damned thing to Windows as an alternative shell | Jan 03 16:42 |
| ender2070_ | the reason KDE is bashed I think, is because companys have to buy Qt to make proprietary shit | Jan 03 16:42 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - they are VERY close to that | Jan 03 16:42 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC - KDE on Windows | Jan 03 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can use QT and license your program under the GPL and still charge money to support it | Jan 03 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | some companies do that | Jan 03 16:43 |
| ender2070_ | yes | Jan 03 16:43 |
| ender2070_ | I agree with that model | Jan 03 16:43 |
| shreddar | DaemonFC I think they are woking on a KDE for Windows shell. It's just alot more complicated then just the apps. | Jan 03 16:43 |
| ender2070_ | a lot of businesses dont want to give out there code | Jan 03 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: I think you can run it with CygWin, but who would want that? | Jan 03 16:44 |
| ender2070_ | thats why they put pressure on miguel to un-gpl mono | Jan 03 16:44 |
| ender2070_ | now mono can get all sorts of proprietary addons | Jan 03 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | I think LGPL is a better choice in those cases | Jan 03 16:44 |
| ender2070_ | mono is MIT | Jan 03 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | icck | Jan 03 16:44 |
| ender2070_ | microsoft can take their bug fixes to their language | Jan 03 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, nothing like letter other companies run off with your code, make it better, and then make it closed source and charge for it | Jan 03 16:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Sean Connery by @cracked http://bit.ly/5XsM5z "You can get away with a lot of shit when you're that awesome." | Jan 03 16:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Cedega anyone? | Jan 03 16:45 |
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| ender2070_ | hehe | Jan 03 16:45 |
| ender2070_ | hey some people are weak and only want their name attributed | Jan 03 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with Wine is that it's LGPL now | Jan 03 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | so Cedega can just use the bits they need from Wine and keep the rest of Cedega under their license | Jan 03 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | milk the best of both worlds, MIT and LGPL | Jan 03 16:46 |
| ender2070_ | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html | Jan 03 16:47 |
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| DaemonFC | so Cedega is more up to date than people want to say it is | Jan 03 16:47 |
| ender2070_ | “When it comes to defending the freedom of others, to lie down and do nothing is an act of weakness, not humility.” | Jan 03 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | but they also have to give patches back to Wine for those sections | Jan 03 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | which they do | Jan 03 16:47 |
| ender2070_ | Cedega is dying | Jan 03 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | gives them the ability to keep development costs low while still charging a lot of money for licenses | Jan 03 16:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] This week is going to be great for wrestling! Return of Hulk Hogan (to TNA) and Bret Hitman Hart returning to WWE. Monday night wars again? | Jan 03 16:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I've always wondered how they lasted this long | Jan 03 16:48 |
| ender2070_ | Cedega hasn't been updated in like a year | Jan 03 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's cheaper to buy Windows than it is to subscribe to Cedega | Jan 03 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows is 100% Windows compatible :) | Jan 03 16:48 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 03 16:48 |
| ender2070_ | I just grab the source code for cedega | Jan 03 16:49 |
| shreddar | I think I heard something about Cedega being unofficially dead. | Jan 03 16:49 |
| ender2070_ | yeah | Jan 03 16:49 |
| ender2070_ | someone had mentioned they hadn't updated in like a year | Jan 03 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | still charging the licensing | Jan 03 16:49 |
| shreddar | An a official announcement would come sometime soon. | Jan 03 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | they're making money off Cider | Jan 03 16:49 |
| ender2070_ | and had like 6 updates for another product they were working on | Jan 03 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | EA is compiling all their Windows games against Cider | Jan 03 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | then takes a cut of the Cider profits | Jan 03 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | then like, 3 years later, Cider work gets ported to Cedega | Jan 03 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | joy | Jan 03 16:50 |
| ender2070_ | I hope source gets ported | Jan 03 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | well, they're fucking morons | Jan 03 16:51 |
| ender2070_ | theres rumors of Ryan Gordon working for them | Jan 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | a project like Cider and Cedega should be the same source recompiled to run on Linux and Mac | Jan 03 16:51 |
| ender2070_ | (icculus) | Jan 03 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | they're so damned stupid that they leave Cedega lagging behind the Mac version by years | Jan 03 16:51 |
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| DaemonFC | but the licensing fees are the same | Jan 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's the real insult | Jan 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Linux users pay the same amount for a substandard version of what Mac users get | Jan 03 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | and some even *brag* about having Cedega | Jan 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | like "Oh, you just have Wine? You must not be able to *afford* the Cedega goodness" | Jan 03 16:53 |
| ender2070_ | ive never heard that | Jan 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | then you get to inform them that Wine is running newer games than Cedega | Jan 03 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | and it's free | Jan 03 16:53 |
| ender2070_ | its free software too | Jan 03 16:54 |
| ender2070_ | not just free as in price | Jan 03 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what it is | Jan 03 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't have to fork over $55 a year for it | Jan 03 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 03 16:54 |
| ender2070_ | why dont you get the cedega source code and compile it yourself | Jan 03 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | 55 x 5 = $275 | Jan 03 16:54 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 7 Home Premium = $200 retail or like $120 OEM I think | Jan 03 16:55 |
| ender2070_ | they still call the source tree winex | Jan 03 16:55 |
| shreddar | I can't imagine paying a subscription for "compatibility layer". In fact I can't imagine paying money for any software platform. | Jan 03 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | so you save money buying Windows instead of Cedega | Jan 03 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | assuming you upgrade Windows every 5 years | Jan 03 16:55 |
| ender2070_ | if you run windows its stupid not to have the latest | Jan 03 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: Not necessarily | Jan 03 16:56 |
| ender2070_ | microsoft ignores older versions | Jan 03 16:56 |
| ender2070_ | its security team is shit | Jan 03 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Vista + SP2 + Platform Update gives you pretty much all of Windows 7 that means anything | Jan 03 16:56 |
| ender2070_ | they cant focus as well updating every version for security issues | Jan 03 16:56 |
| ender2070_ | and it shows | Jan 03 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I actually have a Vista Business license I thought about replacing Windows 7 Home Premium with | Jan 03 16:57 |
| ender2070_ | then you're a bigger nub than I thought | Jan 03 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I found a lot of things in Windows 7 I hate worse than Vista | Jan 03 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | especially the interface | Jan 03 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | 7 is also buggier | Jan 03 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | Vista never shut down Aero with no warning then it comes back later | Jan 03 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | still haven't figured that out | Jan 03 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | happens on Nvidia and ATI | Jan 03 16:59 |
| shreddar | It's hard for me to understand how there are still PC gamers. | Jan 03 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: Easy | Jan 03 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | Bittorrent | Jan 03 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | and rich people | Jan 03 17:02 |
| ender2070_ | shredder - pc gamers? why | Jan 03 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | Daemon Tools or loopmounting, whatever's your poison | Jan 03 17:03 |
| shreddar | That's what all that talk of Cedega and Nvidia etc. was about wasn't it? | Jan 03 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | PC games are free | Jan 03 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | is what I was getting at | Jan 03 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | the copy protection is so laughable that they might as well be | Jan 03 17:04 |
| shreddar | Ok I can see now. | Jan 03 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | as long as games on the PC are free and XBOX 360 games are $60 with DRM enforcement that's not easily cracked, there's gonna be a market for gamin PCs | Jan 03 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | *gaming | Jan 03 17:05 |
| shreddar | I bet that's why the video game industry hates the PC. | Jan 03 17:05 |
| ender2070_ | on a counterpoint | Jan 03 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say close to half the PC gamers are running "pirated copies" | Jan 03 17:05 |
| ender2070_ | nothing on PC rivals a Nintendo first party game | Jan 03 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | same figure for Windows itself | Jan 03 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft may have an edge cause permenantly activating Windows without payiong can brick your BIOS | Jan 03 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | and softmods are easy to spot and disable | Jan 03 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | they're forcing people into choosing something that could stop working vs bricking their motherboard | Jan 03 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | (potentially) | Jan 03 17:07 |
| ender2070_ | i'd just run GNU/Linux on my mobo | Jan 03 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | I have no doubt that Windows "piracy" rates are going down | Jan 03 17:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cat pee: bicarb appears to be the magic touch. feather stuff fine! now for it to actually dry ... | Jan 03 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | how much and why are different debates | Jan 03 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's forcing peoples hands and making them either buy it or choose the nuclear option (Linux) | Jan 03 17:09 |
| ender2070_ | windows sucks anyways | Jan 03 17:09 |
| shreddar | I don't think Linux is the alternative for PC gamers. | Jan 03 17:09 |
| shreddar | I think it's get a life. | Jan 03 17:09 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 03 17:10 |
| ender2070_ | +1 | Jan 03 17:10 |
| ender2070_ | my wii satisfies my occasional boredom | Jan 03 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | in my case, it's a few fringe uses for Windows that are an annoyance to not have on Linux | Jan 03 17:11 |
| shreddar | That an interesting way to frase it. | Jan 03 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | I could probably stomach the switch, but I'm not going to | Jan 03 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | I used Linux pretty much exclusively for 3 years and didn't miss much | Jan 03 17:12 |
| ender2070_ | my friends attempt peer pressuring me into stuff that would get me running windows but I try to avoid that stuff | Jan 03 17:12 |
| shreddar | I've been thinking of getting a Wii just for SMB5 and MKWii. | Jan 03 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's an occasional "Dammit, I wish I had Windows!!!" though | Jan 03 17:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/wircy - Just started looking at Planeshift 0.5.0 #linux #foss #planeshift | Jan 03 17:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Just started looking at Planeshift 0.5.0 #linux #foss #planes... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.96 KB | Jan 03 17:12 |
| ender2070_ | shredder - if you do, ill give you my friend codes | Jan 03 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | the PC is getting a lot more boring | Jan 03 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | I blame that for the reason more people can use Linux | Jan 03 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Linux fits in better with the "bean counter" Mac ad than Windows does | Jan 03 17:13 |
| shreddar | Sound good. I need a budget for it though. My expenses are killing me now. | Jan 03 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's gotten to where if you want Linux, there's not reason t o even have a nice PC | Jan 03 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | * no reason to | Jan 03 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | what are you going to do, dedicate one core to Pidgin, one core to OpenOffice, one core to running the system, and one t play your MP3? | Jan 03 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | shit, just get a Pentium 133 and 128 megs of RAM | Jan 03 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | be done with it | Jan 03 17:15 |
| shreddar | Well I suppose you can Blender and Gimp + tablet. | Jan 03 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | hardware makers are the real haters of Linux | Jan 03 17:16 |
| ender2070_ | heh | Jan 03 17:16 |
| ender2070_ | they dont specifically hate linux i noticed | Jan 03 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | the guys that come back and want you to buy a new machine every time Windows gets a new version | Jan 03 17:16 |
| ender2070_ | they just dont want to spend an extra dollar unless it earns them several in return | Jan 03 17:16 |
| ender2070_ | cheapness | Jan 03 17:16 |
| ender2070_ | gamer hardware tends to be the least open | Jan 03 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I still am kind of pissed that a GPU thats over a year old can't get any respect from "radeonhd" | Jan 03 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 03 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | "radeonhd" is just as bad as FGLRX | Jan 03 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | just maybe the particulars of "Why?" are differnt | Jan 03 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | *different | Jan 03 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | neither one supports your card but they'll each have totally different excuses | Jan 03 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | AMD says "Please excuse your RadeonHD 4670's inability to work on new Linux distros, this is due to explosive diarrhea" | Jan 03 17:21 |
| ender2070_ | its due to them loving microsoft | Jan 03 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | X.org says "Dammit, we're engineers not users! We need more power!!!! She cannot take it cap'n, she's breaking apart!" | Jan 03 17:22 |
| ender2070_ | AMD has significant ties with MSFT over graphics related technologies | Jan 03 17:22 |
| ender2070_ | they heavily optimize their cards for DirectX | Jan 03 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | AMD contributes to Linux quite regularly | Jan 03 17:22 |
| ender2070_ | Intel and Nivida do way more | Jan 03 17:23 |
| ender2070_ | AMD is a microsoft gold partner | Jan 03 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Intel doesn't do anything they don't have to | Jan 03 17:23 |
| ender2070_ | they even bragged about having support for directx 10.1 which didnt exist | Jan 03 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | if it was up to Intel, there would still not be a 64-bit version of x86 | Jan 03 17:23 |
| ender2070_ | Intel is one of the highest paying sponsors | Jan 03 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | they'd be telling you to just use PAE | Jan 03 17:24 |
| ender2070_ | nvidia submits more xorg patches than canonical | Jan 03 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical doesn't really do anything meaningful | Jan 03 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | for upstream of any project | Jan 03 17:24 |
| ender2070_ | 64-bit is just being needed in the last year or two with ram getting pushed up to 4GB | Jan 03 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them make a few trivial patches upstream to Linux | Jan 03 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical really is out of their league when it comes to anything more than compiling the distribution and making a few tweaks here and there | Jan 03 17:25 |
| ender2070_ | AMD/ATI just bitch about having to keep their drivers up-to-date with linux frameworks | Jan 03 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really see the kind of talent that Red Hat and Novell have | Jan 03 17:25 |
| ender2070_ | Redhat has awesome talent | Jan 03 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu just follows whatever other people are doing 99% of the time | Jan 03 17:26 |
| ender2070_ | Ubuntu just packages Debian and adds stuff to noob it up | Jan 03 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | its ease of use is pretty much all inherited from Debian | Jan 03 17:27 |
| ender2070_ | you can change the repo in ubuntu to a debian one, and it will convert over | Jan 03 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | if Debian did releases more frequently, you'd have all of the advantages of using Ubuntu | Jan 03 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | with almost none of the drawbacks | Jan 03 17:27 |
| ender2070_ | no drawbacks to debian | Jan 03 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | too long between updates | Jan 03 17:28 |
| ender2070_ | run debian unstable | Jan 03 17:28 |
| ender2070_ | dont let the name scare ya | Jan 03 17:28 |
| ender2070_ | its ubuntu | Jan 03 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I don't like the sound of it | Jan 03 17:28 |
| ender2070_ | without all the watery poop window deco | Jan 03 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like you'd have a bitch of a time trying to find an exit ramp to a real release | Jan 03 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | should you want tp | Jan 03 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | *to | Jan 03 17:29 |
| ender2070_ | ubuntu just takes a snapshot of debian unstable | Jan 03 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Squeeze would take you to the final release | Jan 03 17:29 |
| shreddar | That explains why updates kept screwing up my system when I used Ubuntu. | Jan 03 17:29 |
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| DaemonFC | shreddar: Using Proposed Updates is a good way of screwing things up eventually | Jan 03 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | not as bad as Fedora, but it'll happen | Jan 03 17:30 |
| ender2070_ | I like my Fedora 12 | Jan 03 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | it also seems that Debian likes to railroad you into using GNOME | Jan 03 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | What if I don't *want* GNOME on my system? | Jan 03 17:31 |
| ender2070_ | dont install it | Jan 03 17:32 |
| ender2070_ | debian doesnt have a default desktop | Jan 03 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: So where's the CD that's daily image of Squeeze that gives me KDE? | Jan 03 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I don't recall being asked what I wanted with Lenny | Jan 03 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I just got GNOME | Jan 03 17:33 |
| ender2070_ | they do have stuff with gnome as default | Jan 03 17:33 |
| ender2070_ | the livecds iirc | Jan 03 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | Debian has done some stupid, stupid shit with their default GNOME install | Jan 03 17:33 |
| ender2070_ | yeah it has mono for one | Jan 03 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | "Hmmm, lets use Epiphany" "No, don't use Pulseaudio, let the user suffer with GNOME's default mixer" (the name escapes me) | Jan 03 17:34 |
| shreddar | I figured it had to do with most app needing Gtk or Gnome is some fashion. | Jan 03 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | "This is 1986, who needs a boot screen?" | Jan 03 17:34 |
| ender2070_ | servers dont | Jan 03 17:35 |
| ender2070_ | :P | Jan 03 17:35 |
| shreddar | Although some apps need KDE libs and core. | Jan 03 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | so what if I want a pretty desktop? :D | Jan 03 17:35 |
| ender2070_ | KDE libs are cheaper than mono libs :) | Jan 03 17:35 |
| shreddar | Switch to KDE. Duh | Jan 03 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Debian's entire organizational layout is pretty bloated and confusing | Jan 03 17:35 |
| ender2070_ | less space, less resources, less crufty technology | Jan 03 17:35 |
| shreddar | Or enlightenment. | Jan 03 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | What makes me laugh is that the FSF won't recommend Debian | Jan 03 17:36 |
| ender2070_ | correct | Jan 03 17:36 |
| ender2070_ | nor fedora | Jan 03 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | "We can't recommend anything that might actually boot, much less work, on your system, we suggest Ututo and Gnewsense instead" | Jan 03 17:37 |
| ender2070_ | its not that | Jan 03 17:37 |
| ender2070_ | the FSF can't recommend non-free distros | Jan 03 17:37 |
| ender2070_ | its not surprising | Jan 03 17:37 |
| ender2070_ | that would be like a vegan recommending mcdonalds just because theres a few salads there | Jan 03 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Speaking of bizarre, unusable distros that should have been aborted..... | Jan 03 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Why was that Shuttle KPC shipping with Foresight? | Jan 03 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 03 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Here you go, a package manager that nobody makes packages for!" | Jan 03 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, you have no hope of isntalling anything that's not in that one repository and it still has users! | Jan 03 17:40 |
| ender2070_ | fedora is very close to qualifying as "free" for the FSF | Jan 03 17:40 |
| ender2070_ | the only thing they ship thats bad is wireless firmware | Jan 03 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070_: When it no longer boots, that's the last test | Jan 03 17:40 |
| ender2070_ | shut up | Jan 03 17:40 |
| shreddar | gnewsense is based off of Debian. | Jan 03 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | god forbid anyone's wireless should work | Jan 03 17:40 |
| shreddar | FSF recommends it. | Jan 03 17:41 |
| ender2070_ | besides wireless being stupid | Jan 03 17:41 |
| ender2070_ | which is a different point | Jan 03 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, it's as expensive to buy a wired router as a wireless | Jan 03 17:41 |
| ender2070_ | its not that people shouldnt have wireless working | Jan 03 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | so you might as well just buy a wireless and turn the wifi part off | Jan 03 17:41 |
| ender2070_ | its that the drivers should be free or not exist | Jan 03 17:41 |
| ender2070_ | too many wifi vendors keep their drivers closed, I think because it keeps people from hacking wifi | Jan 03 17:42 |
| ender2070_ | non-wifi, network cards often came with a floppy disk which had 30 drivers for different unix's and even os/2 | Jan 03 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | there's the open source broadcom firmware that won't connect to anything | Jan 03 17:43 |
| ender2070_ | broadcom = devil | Jan 03 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | it sees the router, it just won't connect | Jan 03 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | OS/2........ | Jan 03 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | eComStation = OS/2 on life support | Jan 03 17:44 |
| ender2070_ | ralink and realtek are like the only chipsets I know of that have free drivers | Jan 03 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | nope, the firmware isn't | Jan 03 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | the driver is | Jan 03 17:45 |
| ender2070_ | no | Jan 03 17:45 |
| ender2070_ | at least on the ones I own | Jan 03 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | they have obfuscated binary firmware that's redistributable | Jan 03 17:45 |
| shreddar | Yeah hopefully Google will make them stop that shit. | Jan 03 17:45 |
| ender2070_ | i dont have binary firmware on my system and they work | Jan 03 17:45 |
| ender2070_ | my ralink is the best | Jan 03 17:46 |
| ender2070_ | its very good at WEP packet injection | Jan 03 17:46 |
| shreddar | I hear they are making hardware makers open source their drivers for Chrome OS. | Jan 03 17:47 |
| ender2070_ | probably | Jan 03 17:47 |
| ender2070_ | google has a lot of power | Jan 03 17:47 |
| ender2070_ | I hope the Chrome OS has an ssh client tho | Jan 03 17:48 |
| ender2070_ | i cant do anything over wifi without an ssh tunnel | Jan 03 17:48 |
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| _Goblin | Hi all... | Jan 03 18:04 |
| _Goblin | just back from a stint with Planeshift. | Jan 03 18:04 |
| shreddar | hey | Jan 03 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder when the Census crap comes in the mail | Jan 03 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I hope I get the 57 question Long Form | Jan 03 18:08 |
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| DaemonFC | (56 more than the US Constitution requires) | Jan 03 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm only going to fill out "Number of people in your home" | Jan 03 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | mail it back to them | Jan 03 18:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I hear they proceed to send census workers out to harass you | Jan 03 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | so I can shout "That's none of your god damned business!" and slam the door | Jan 03 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | such moments are exciting | Jan 03 18:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Vendors: Netbooks "dying, honest" http://newstechnica.com/?p=1088 | Jan 03 18:11 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vendors: Netbooks dying, honest | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.57 KB | Jan 03 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | roflcopter @ "Windows 7 Dumbass Edition™" | Jan 03 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I usually just call it Windows 7: Anti-feature Edition | Jan 03 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | (Starter) | Jan 03 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | it does nothing | Jan 03 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's more crippled than Windows XP Home that they were using | Jan 03 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | tthe god damned thing doesn't even let you change your wallpaper(!!!!!!!!!!!!) | Jan 03 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | your wallpaper! | Jan 03 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | the netbooks with Windows 7 Starter are less functional as a computer than your shower curtain | Jan 03 18:15 |
| ender2070_ | thats msft for ya | Jan 03 18:15 |
| ender2070_ | http://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=177394 | Jan 03 18:15 |
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| rnb | hiiii | Jan 03 18:16 |
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| shreddar | “So everyone will go back to expensive iPhones and full-sized laptops, any day now. This ‘internet’ thing is just a fad too.” | Jan 03 18:22 |
| shreddar | Hee Hee | Jan 03 18:23 |
| shreddar | “Linux, of course, doesn’t exist, wasn’t the impetus for cheap netbooks and didn’t cripple Microsoft’s bottom line for the last three years by providing actual competition for the first time in decades. So it’s not like it can do twice as much in half the space.” | Jan 03 18:24 |
| _Goblin | didn't Bill Gates say MS were not interested in the Net in 1993 | Jan 03 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | so what do all of you think about the future of mp3, aac, and vorbis? | Jan 03 18:24 |
| _Goblin | I think HDmp3 is to come into its own soon. | Jan 03 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like there's no good decision because they all do something that they others can't or won't | Jan 03 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: You can't be serious | Jan 03 18:25 |
| _Goblin | look at the generic players....its mp3 the average user knows. | Jan 03 18:25 |
| shreddar | Ultra Zero Loss Mech Adio .Uzlma format. | Jan 03 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, do you mean as i the players will support the lossless file? | Jan 03 18:25 |
| _Goblin | at least with HD they are able to play lossless and lossy in one file | Jan 03 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | or that you're going to have 320k quality with only 4 times the file size? | Jan 03 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'd recommend just staying with FLAC if you don't care how massive the file is | Jan 03 18:26 |
| shreddar | “Apparently, netbooks that weigh nothing, run twice as fast and have an all-day battery but don’t run Windows are a problem for ARM, not for Microsoft,” | Jan 03 18:27 |
| _Goblin | Im not really an mp3/ogg user (except in the cases of podcasts) | Jan 03 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis is by far the best lossy codec there is | Jan 03 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | player support is limited though | Jan 03 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | MPEG-4 AAC is much better than MP3 and well supported in hardware, but there's only a few encoders that give good results and they're all proprietary | Jan 03 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 plays on everything but it's ancient and even LAME can only do so much | Jan 03 18:28 |
| shreddar | "...It’s all about picking your terms rather than, e.g., selling what people actually want instead of what you’d like them to want. ..." | Jan 03 18:29 |
| shreddar | so true. | Jan 03 18:29 |
| shreddar | “Clap your hands if you don’t believe in netbooks,” said Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. “Marketers! Marketers! Marketers! Marketers!” | Jan 03 18:29 |
| shreddar | I think I just quoted about a 4/5 of the article. | Jan 03 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 Starter is basically a charade designed to get you to hate it and spend $80 for a serial number to turn it into Home Premium | Jan 03 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | it makes the initial price of the netbook far less than you end up paying for it | Jan 03 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | the OEM only pays like $5 for Starter, but you might as well consider that a down payment | Jan 03 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | the other $80 you pay them takes their selling price to $85 | Jan 03 18:31 |
| shreddar | Yeah but nobody pays for that stuff. Trial Ware losses all the time. | Jan 03 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | which is actually $35 more than Dell would pay for Home Premium | Jan 03 18:31 |
| ender2070_ | once you have something that plays ogg or flac your set tho | Jan 03 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and the selling price of a $329 netbook becomes $409, which is nearly the price of a low end laptop with three times the specs and Home Premium included | Jan 03 18:32 |
| ender2070_ | I have a 512mb iriver, its perfect for me | Jan 03 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and a DVD writer built in | Jan 03 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Do you see Vorbis support becoming more popular in hardware over the next 10 years? | Jan 03 18:33 |
| ender2070_ | yes | Jan 03 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | and Do you see it becoming popular enough that even Microsoft eventually gives WMP playback support? | Jan 03 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | it took nearly 10 years for them to break down and support AAC playback | Jan 03 18:34 |
| ender2070_ | not sure | Jan 03 18:34 |
| shreddar | If MS offered OEM Windows Free and it was trial ware almost no one would pay for it. | Jan 03 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's cause they were still clinging to the hope that they could sell WMAs or something I guess | Jan 03 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | which I wouldn't buy for any price | Jan 03 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Starter basically is | Jan 03 18:35 |
| shreddar | OEM's are gradually easing MS to that price point. | Jan 03 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | looks like you get an OS with the netbookwhat you really get is "Pay us more" nagware | Jan 03 18:35 |
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| DaemonFC | it's designed to be so unpleasant to use that you break down and pay them more | Jan 03 18:35 |
| shreddar | "You evaluation period has expired! Windows is NOT free software." | Jan 03 18:39 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm looking for a tool to add Vorbis tag reading to Windows Explorer | Jan 03 18:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back to using IRSSI again. A far superior IRC client IMO and it was sheer laziness through a default packaging that I was using X-chat. | Jan 03 19:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin is bitchx any good for you? (personally i still prefer xchat) | Jan 03 19:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard ah... I settled with Irssi (BitchX I havent used before) I will give it a look! | Jan 03 19:24 | |
| DaemonFC | irssi | Jan 03 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | jesus | Jan 03 19:24 |
| _Goblin | no, irssi | Jan 03 19:24 |
| _Goblin | never used the Jesus IRC client | Jan 03 19:25 |
| _Goblin | any good? | Jan 03 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | irssi, the client of 1986 | Jan 03 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 03 19:25 |
| ender2070_ | dude | Jan 03 19:25 |
| ender2070_ | irssi is fine | Jan 03 19:25 |
| ender2070_ | stop being hitler | Jan 03 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law | Jan 03 19:26 |
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| DaemonFC | you lose | Jan 03 19:26 |
| _Goblin | its a good reason to go back to 1986, a solid package... | Jan 03 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | What year is it again? | Jan 03 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | why are we loading GUIs to use programs in the terminal? | Jan 03 19:27 |
| _Goblin | its called personal choice. | Jan 03 19:27 |
| ender2070_ | to have more than one terminal? | Jan 03 19:27 |
| ender2070_ | :) | Jan 03 19:27 |
| ender2070_ | why are you loading a browser to chat on irc ? | Jan 03 19:27 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jan 03 19:28 |
| _Goblin | good comeback | Jan 03 19:28 |
| _Goblin | never thought of that. | Jan 03 19:28 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 03 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's there? | Jan 03 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | cause it isn't a torture device | Jan 03 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | irssi is | Jan 03 19:28 |
| ender2070_ | why not just write one program that does everything | Jan 03 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | cause it doesn't cost money | Jan 03 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | XChat does | Jan 03 19:28 |
| ender2070_ | Konversation | Jan 03 19:29 |
| _Goblin | I don't see how Irssi is a torture device....its very simple to use. | Jan 03 19:29 |
| ender2070_ | DaemonFC is scared by CLI | Jan 03 19:29 |
| _Goblin | and if its been going since 1986 it must be doing something right. | Jan 03 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Cause it isn't a demented toy for children with its own scripting engine used primarily to create worms | Jan 03 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Mirc | Jan 03 19:29 |
| _Goblin | is a CDROM primarily to pirate software? | Jan 03 19:30 |
| ender2070_ | I have a free gui based irc client that doesn't load a browser with it | Jan 03 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | oh, secondary use of Mirc scripts is to annoy the fuck out of people | Jan 03 19:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin it's an irssi derivative that's been 'l33t3d up. some fancier capabilities. | Jan 03 19:30 | |
| DaemonFC | and it costs money | Jan 03 19:30 |
| ender2070_ | who cares about mirc | Jan 03 19:30 |
| ender2070_ | its proprietary, full stop | Jan 03 19:30 |
| ender2070_ | it could be spying on you, you'll never know | Jan 03 19:31 |
| _Goblin | ah...Mirc my first client when I was running Windows... | Jan 03 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I just can't get past how ugly and bloated it is, how poorly it was designed, and that it costs $30 to register | Jan 03 19:31 |
| ender2070_ | mirc was my first too | Jan 03 19:32 |
| ender2070_ | then free (libre) alternatives came out that were better | Jan 03 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | it could be worse | Jan 03 19:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard I'll give it a look then! Should have known by the "l337" title! | Jan 03 19:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Comic Chat will still install and run on Windows 7 | Jan 03 19:32 |
| ender2070_ | comic chat, lol | Jan 03 19:33 |
| ender2070_ | irc for idiots | Jan 03 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/MsComicChat.pn | Jan 03 19:33 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: sorry, I must have skipped out of this universe for a minute....I thought we were discussing how allegedly IRSSI was a torture device. | Jan 03 19:33 |
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| DaemonFC | if your client doesn't understand the comic-related crap, it jsut crapfloods the room | Jan 03 19:33 |
| phIRCe-local | DaemonFC: sorry, I must have skipped out of this universe for a minute....I thought we were discussing how allegedly IRSSI was a torture device. | Jan 03 19:33 |
| ender2070_ | LOL | Jan 03 19:33 |
| ender2070_ | nice bot | Jan 03 19:33 |
| _Goblin | now it seems another one is leaking into ours..... | Jan 03 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather use Comic Chat than irssi, but I'd rather use anything than irssi | Jan 03 19:34 |
| _Goblin | personal choice is great.... | Jan 03 19:34 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 03 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | It probably goes Chatzilla, Xchat, Mirc, anything that's not Comic Chat, Comic Chat, irssi | Jan 03 19:35 |
| ender2070_ | mirc shouldnt even be there | Jan 03 19:36 |
| ender2070_ | or comic chat | Jan 03 19:36 |
| _Goblin | Eh? "anything thats not Comic Chat" - So you do like IRSSI, thats not comic chat. | Jan 03 19:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Okay, I have to admit. I'm really pissed off.. | Jan 03 19:36 | |
| DaemonFC | irssi is a unix program that even manages to suck on unix | Jan 03 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the Cygwin "port" to Windows | Jan 03 19:36 |
| ender2070_ | anyways, guys im off | Jan 03 19:36 |
| ender2070_ | fight with the noob all u want | Jan 03 19:36 |
| Aondo | DaemonFC, why does irssi suck? :) | Jan 03 19:36 |
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| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: well.. | Jan 03 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | what really throws me is OS X users use it | Jan 03 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | they must be really hard up for IRC clients on the Mac | Jan 03 19:37 |
| _Goblin | yeah.....terrible... | Jan 03 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | they should install Windows on their Mac and spend some time in the Boot Camp ghetto | Jan 03 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 03 19:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Attending the Ubuntu UK LoCo team meeting in #ubuntu-uk on freenode irc. Now. :) | Jan 03 19:38 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't get why Apple lets them do that, it's like letting them up for air | Jan 03 19:38 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: irssi is an essential tool at times when I face a serious problem with the GUI that I can't use anything but the command line, and I need to get help from the Kubuntu channel. | Jan 03 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jan 03 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | when X bombs out with some cryptic error for no reason | Jan 03 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | and strands you at the terminal | Jan 03 19:39 |
| Omar87_ | what's so funny. | Jan 03 19:39 |
| Omar87_ | ? | Jan 03 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | what's so funny is how often that seems to happen on Linux | Jan 03 19:39 |
| Omar87_ | Not so often. | Jan 03 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | usually means that it hates the video driver you just tried to install | Jan 03 19:39 |
| Omar87_ | Well.. :) | Jan 03 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | can also just be an "update" that went aery | Jan 03 19:40 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: I think we know where DaemonFC is going to take this. | Jan 03 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | and corrupted some system file along the way | Jan 03 19:40 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: yep. | Jan 03 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | *awry | Jan 03 19:40 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: I just fail to understand one thing: What on Earth is he doing here..? | Jan 03 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | either one is likely, but sometimes you jsut need to edit your xorg.conf which isn't supposed to exist for the last 3 years | Jan 03 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | but somehow does manage to live on | Jan 03 19:41 |
| _Goblin | omar87: I don't think anyone understands that..! :) | Jan 03 19:41 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: ok | Jan 03 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | the funniest thing is that X.org was supposed to have all kinds of crazy delicious super powers by now to keep this shit from ever happening | Jan 03 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | but it doesn't | Jan 03 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | but the documentation says it does | Jan 03 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | but the documentation is wrong | Jan 03 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | that happens | Jan 03 19:42 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: ok | Jan 03 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | it should make you feel better that they say you're wrong in spite of it still happening | Jan 03 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | because if they say you're wrong and they built the fucking thing, it must mean you're wrong | Jan 03 19:43 |
| _Goblin | like Microsoft does with Windows? | Jan 03 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | even though you're staring at a terminal and X won't load | Jan 03 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's one of those things that means that realizing that"there is no spoon" means you are exempt from the normal rules that say that X does this from time to time | Jan 03 19:44 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: Degeneration X? ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snW-5AHxYTA | Jan 03 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I honestly think that X.org does these things on purpose jsut to piss you off, but that would imply that there's some kind of plan for X.org development | Jan 03 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not ready to accuse them of that | Jan 03 19:45 |
| _Goblin | thats good of you | Jan 03 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I thought so | Jan 03 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | after all, I got it for free, how dare I bitch about them wasting my time | Jan 03 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I should be on my knees thanking them for wasting my time | Jan 03 19:47 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: lol, they made Chris Jericho look like an idiot a couple weeks ago. :P | Jan 03 19:47 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I wish you could see the irony in your last comment | Jan 03 19:47 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: So youre a fan too? Great stuff! | Jan 03 19:47 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: Looking forward to Bret on Raw on Monday | Jan 03 19:47 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: umm, not really. I like John Cena more. :) | Jan 03 19:48 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: You can't see me! | Jan 03 19:48 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: lol | Jan 03 19:48 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: I wish we couldn't see DaemonFC | Jan 03 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | most of the problems you get on Linux are the result of nobody agreeing, everyone forking and duplicating effort, and no defined standard so that no matter what you choose as a user or a developer is wron | Jan 03 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | *wrong | Jan 03 19:48 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: yeah, man. He's so friggnin' annoying. -_- | Jan 03 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | and any time you say you're having a problem "Clearly you should have chosen the other thing" | Jan 03 19:49 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: oh, I see. So now Windows is much better because no body is forking or duplicating? | Jan 03 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | it means I can choose my programs that I will use and go about using them | Jan 03 19:50 |
| _Goblin | Sometimes I think DaemonFC suffers with a similar virus to the holoplague here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKHLOo1WgDQ his posts can be so crazy he has me thinking Ive lost it. | Jan 03 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the choices will probably be right the first time, and if they aren't it's 5 minutes out of the day to make another one | Jan 03 19:51 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: oh, yeah. Right.. That's why Microsoft shoved IE into Windows. | Jan 03 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | and how you can easily remove Gecko or Khtml without removing most of your desktop on Linux | Jan 03 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | oh wait | Jan 03 19:52 |
| Omar87_ | DaemonFC: that's why some .NET-powered websites restrict you to use IE and nothing other IE to be able to access them. | Jan 03 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | never happened to me | Jan 03 19:52 |
| Omar87_ | other *than* IE | Jan 03 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's just as easy to ignore IE as it is Konqueror | Jan 03 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | or the gtkhtml crap | Jan 03 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | even if any of them cause a compromise of your system security, you can't waste them | Jan 03 19:53 |
| Omar87_ | or the entire Microsoft coporation that you're praising now is crap. | Jan 03 19:54 |
| Omar87_ | ya know what? that's it. | Jan 03 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | although I will agree that Trident is the scariest one of them | Jan 03 19:55 |
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| DaemonFC | the problem with having one coherent system is that malware writers know exactly what they're dealing with | Jan 03 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | the Ubuntu trojan horse on GNOME-Look last week was hilarious | Jan 03 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | even if it only proves that it "can" happen | Jan 03 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's where OS X malware began a few years ago, now it's crawling with it | Jan 03 19:56 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: DaemonFC, successfully ignored! :D | Jan 03 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=a43df94668619378edc44805f15a749a&t=1349801 | Jan 03 19:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Social engineering (trojan) via gnome-look.org - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 107.12 KB | Jan 03 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | 30 pages of Ubuntu users with their panties in a twist, some in denial | Jan 03 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | sudo rm -f /usr/bin/Auto.bash /usr/bin/run.bash /etc/profile.d/gnome.sh index.php run.bash && sudo dpkg -r app5552 | Jan 03 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | your easy to remember, user friendly way to remove the trojan :) | Jan 03 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | of course I bet that most people who installed it still have it | Jan 03 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | a successful parasite is one that doesn't let the host know it's there | Jan 03 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | this one sounds like it runs in the background using some of your bandwidth to DDoS, and that's about it | Jan 03 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC | it would be interesting to know if whoever is getting DDoSed by the infected N00buntu machines is still having problems | Jan 03 20:03 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, I haven't forgotten about the wiki and the comes exhibit discussion but I haven't made progress yet (been busy and distracted). | Jan 03 20:03 |
| jose_X | for when you get back.. check out this link: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?limit=10&chunk=0&perm=593056000000002092 | Jan 03 20:03 |
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| jose_X | I posted a comment there that says more. The link is an example of business model that leverages open source. | Jan 03 20:04 |
| jose_X | ..open licenses | Jan 03 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, rnb | Jan 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Just got back from Old Trafford... | Jan 03 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Chaos in City Centre here with all the Man United hooligans | Jan 03 20:19 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Predictions for 2010 http://www.internetling.com/2010/01/03/linux-and-foss-related-predictions-for-2010/ | Jan 03 20:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Stickers Mark Non-Microsoft "PCs" http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/01/open-stickers-computers-are-not.html #linux | Jan 03 20:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux and #BSD Servers Top Reliability Charts http://ur1.ca/iz8p | Jan 03 20:47 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #GNU #Linux a Challenge to Existing OEMs, #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/iz8v http://ur1.ca/iz8w | Jan 03 20:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos of K Desktop Environment 4.4, #Development News http://ur1.ca/iz96 http://ur1.ca/iz97 http://ur1.ca/iz98 | Jan 03 20:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux on Television Again, Parents' Computer http://ur1.ca/iz9e http://ur1.ca/iz9f | Jan 03 20:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux: 2 - Windows: 1 http://ur1.ca/iz9h | Jan 03 20:57 | |
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| MinceR | jwz stopped being a smart guy some time before he became a crApple cultist | Jan 03 21:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Not sure the cup upset was much of an upset. Given how inconsistent the top clubs have been in the league, is anyone surprised with the cup? | Jan 03 21:16 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Still, if he's having problems with it, that's not a good thing | Jan 03 21:18 |
| MinceR | still, i don't really care about his problems | Jan 03 21:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Phones Get More Linux Applications, Games http://ur1.ca/izaj http://ur1.ca/izak | Jan 03 21:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Gets #Firefox as Mobile Browser http://ur1.ca/izav http://ur1.ca/izax http://ur1.ca/izb0 | Jan 03 21:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC #XO Sub-notebooks Advance Further http://www.olpcnews.com/software/operating_system/xtra_ordinary_2010_olpc.html | Jan 03 21:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2010 May be "Year Of The Smartbook" http://www.zath.co.uk/looking-forward-to-2010-the-year-of-the-smartbook/ | Jan 03 21:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware a Top Trend in Enterprises http://linux.sys-con.com/node/1233509/print | Jan 03 21:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] National Agenda in #Kerala and Elsewhere Shift to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/izbg http://ur1.ca/izbh | Jan 03 21:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Freedom for 60,000 More #Books http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=283352 | Jan 03 21:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web #Censorship Soaring http://ur1.ca/izbz http://ur1.ca/izc1 http://ur1.ca/izc2 http://ur1.ca/izc3 | Jan 03 21:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Embargo Department (ITC) to Carry on Stifling Innovation, Import http://ur1.ca/izc6 | Jan 03 21:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz 2010 will definitely be "year of redefining terms you don't like", per latest NewsTechnica | Jan 03 21:46 | |
| shreddar | Of course they'll still be pushing new terms you don't like even harder. | Jan 03 21:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Bribes to Hijack Sri Lanka's Education http://www.sundaytimes.lk/100103/BusinessTimes/bt37.html | Jan 03 21:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still waiting patiently for the next episode of Linux Basement! http://linuxbasement.com/ A great podcast! #linux #foss #gnu #podcast | Jan 03 21:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I refuse to be dragged into Celebrity Big Brother......ok, maybe for a few minutes then...... | Jan 03 22:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yes, spinola and all | Jan 03 22:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] _goblin | Jan 03 22:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin mail Chad about it, he was happy when I did | Jan 03 22:09 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: What about? | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | To say you like the show | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't hear it often enough | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | chad@linuxbasement.com | Jan 03 22:22 |
| _Goblin | ah | Jan 03 22:22 |
| _Goblin | I see | Jan 03 22:22 |
| _Goblin | yep...will do... | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | "Hey man, that's the best christmas message I got! Merry christmas to you and thanks!" | Jan 03 22:22 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Like a prayer. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/24864.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/538766.html | Jan 03 22:23 | |
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| oiaohm | Aircraft security is a very hard call ender2070_ | Jan 03 22:57 |
| ender2070_ | We shouldn't be subject to their no fly list | Jan 03 23:03 |
| ender2070_ | which often includes people with opinions against the us government | Jan 03 23:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Convicted Monopoly Abuser Sends Partners to Prison http://bit.ly/749WPK #microsoft #hypocrisy | Jan 03 23:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Poor Little Recording Industry Multi-Millionaires | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ybnhmnp | Jan 03 23:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Servers Suffer From 0-Day #Security #Vulnerability and Microsoft Doesn’t Care http://ur1.ca/izfm | Jan 03 23:19 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: http://www.saigonnezumi.com/2010/01/03/free-and-open-source-software-feature-on-vtv-vietnam/ | Jan 03 23:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Repeats Mistakes of #WordPerfect , This Time with #Mono http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/03/wordperfect-and-mono-lessons/ | Jan 03 23:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Saturdays "Just Can't Get Enough" is every bit as horrible as you'd expect. There's probably a "Cthulhu" setting in Final Cut Pro. | Jan 03 23:55 | |
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