| tessier | schestowitz: Already saw it. Kevin and I used to hang out in .vn | Jan 04 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | I know :-) | Jan 04 00:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update on #Microsoft-Staffed #Patent Troll and Its Lawsuits Against #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/izhm | Jan 04 00:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] How to get Software Patents in the UK patent office: http://i5.be/aep | Jan 04 00:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://msnmsgr.mozdev.org/ | Jan 04 00:23 |
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| DaemonFC | an MSN messenger made with XUL | Jan 04 00:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Access denied to ACTA Council documents: http://i5.be/aeq and http://i5.be/aer | Jan 04 00:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | I remember AOL bundling an official AIM compatible messenger in Netscape 6/7 which was made with XUL | Jan 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | leaving out Chatzilla of course | Jan 04 00:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, thats me done for the night. A session on Planeshift, getting to know an old friend again (IRSSI)...its been a busy day! #linux #gnu | Jan 04 00:27 | |
| _Goblin | gn all | Jan 04 00:27 |
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| DaemonFC | seems about as functional as Windows Messenger in XP | Jan 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | no file transfers, webcams, or picture sharing though | Jan 04 00:29 |
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| DaemonFC | http://extraexploit.blogspot.com/search/label/CVE-2009-4324 | Jan 04 00:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Does someone has trial login at ManagingIP, interested about Skeptisaurus, or the broken patent system: http://i5.be/aes | Jan 04 00:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Skeptisaurus mentioned in the AIPLA report paper, trolling about what is the definition of a "patent troll": http://i5.be/aet | Jan 04 00:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Paul Ruebig MEP explains you why we urgently need ACTA (because of those black people do not pay taxes!), priceless: http://i5.be/aeu | Jan 04 00:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Rader: a troll is "anyone-from IBM and M$ down to the smallest patent owner-who asserts a patent far beyond its value" http://i5.be/aet | Jan 04 00:45 | |
| trmanco | http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49 | Jan 04 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco: I used icc to compile kernels when I had a Core 2 Duo | Jan 04 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | it did optimize them slightly more than gcc | Jan 04 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | we're talking 1-2% better performance on an average CPU benchmark though | Jan 04 01:03 |
| trmanco | not bad | Jan 04 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | most people also don't realize that there are differences between Intel64 and AMD64 | Jan 04 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's a generic x86-64 option in most compilers that makes a binary with only the optimizations that apply to both of them | Jan 04 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | if you're seeing a slight degradation on stuff you make with icc on an AMD process, I'd assume that's why | Jan 04 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's obviously only optimizing for Intel64 and other features their processors use | Jan 04 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | *processor | Jan 04 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's compilers just target generic x86-64 | Jan 04 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | they don't give you a choice | Jan 04 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's why most people don't know there's differences | Jan 04 01:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Bribes to Make #Education Microsoft-based http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/03/microsoft-vs-free-software-education/ | Jan 04 01:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A European parliament member explains rather poorly his reasons for suffocating the market http://ur1.ca/izlh #acta | Jan 04 01:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz5cl131KTk | Jan 04 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Hege. | Jan 04 02:08 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, UPS is running a day ahead | Jan 04 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | my Wii might be here tomorrow | Jan 04 02:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Aerts: "In contrast, under the intergovernmental EPC system it is difficult to speak of a functional separation of powers" http://i5.be/aew | Jan 04 02:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] just noticed, Sidux has the version of #gwibber before the devs went on acid and changed the UI | Jan 04 02:53 | |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what would happen to AMD if they returned GenuineIntel instead of AuthenticAMD to trick programs compiled with Intels compiler to not sabotage their processors | Jan 04 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | they would have the excuse that they needed to do it to undo Intel's sabotage | Jan 04 03:10 |
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| gizmo_ | great article: | Jan 04 03:19 |
| gizmo_ | http://www.mercenary.com/probwitmusby.html | Jan 04 03:19 |
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| cubezzz | wow I guess there should be AbsolutelyRealARM to go with Intel and AMD | Jan 04 03:23 |
| rnb | hi | Jan 04 03:23 |
| ender2070_ | godwins law, http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-change/stories/media-mayhem-5-more-tall-tales-by-climate-change-deniers-in | Jan 04 03:39 |
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| ender2070_ | http://www.newworldorderreport.com/Articles/tabid/266/ID/980/33-Conspiracy-Theories-That-Turned-Out-To-Be-True-What-Every-Person-Should-Know.aspx | Jan 04 03:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] حملة المليون توقيع ضد بناء الجدار العازل بين مصر و غزةhttp://www.amlalommah.net/nogedar/ | Jan 04 04:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | I don't think ARM will be a runaway hit | Jan 04 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | maybe in China where they can make plenty of unlicensed counterfeit clone chips | Jan 04 04:11 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 04 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | They don't exactly have a lot of money to throw at a new PC so getting the price down matters | Jan 04 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | any way you can | Jan 04 04:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: are you there? | Jan 04 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen a couple netbooks with ARM CPUs pictured running Windows XP | Jan 04 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | that was funny | Jan 04 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: Why does Nintendo not recommend rechargeable batteries in the Wii Remote? | Jan 04 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | alkaline would be the most dangerous onesI would think | Jan 04 05:01 |
| ender2070_ | probably because they don't offer rechargable wiimotes yet | Jan 04 05:08 |
| ender2070_ | they are planning them | Jan 04 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | don't want you to get a charger and 4 batteries for half the price | Jan 04 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | makes sense | Jan 04 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | the XBOX 360 wireless controller rechargeable battery pack was the same way | Jan 04 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'm skeptical of those chargers that claim they can recharge alkalines | Jan 04 05:12 |
| Omar87 | ender2070_: yup, as I was saying a yesterday, The Bohemian Grove thing is real, and it should make us worried too. | Jan 04 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | "The Bohemian club! Did you say Bohemian club? That's where all those rich Republicans go up and stand naked against redwood trees right? I've never been to the Bohemian club but you oughta go. It'd be good for you. You'd get some fresh air."—Former President Bill Clinton to a heckler | Jan 04 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 04 05:35 |
| ender2070_ | lol | Jan 04 05:44 |
| ender2070_ | except its true | Jan 04 05:44 |
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| ender2070_ | often gets downplayed as frat style stuff | Jan 04 05:46 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Jan 04 05:57 |
| ender2070_ | hi | Jan 04 05:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Lubuntu Lucid (Ubuntu using LXDE as default DE) in the makings: http://tinyurl.com/ydglsaj | Jan 04 06:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Analysis of Paul Rübig on #ACTA (and Full Transcript) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/04/full-transcript-acta-ruebig/ | Jan 04 09:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Failures in #Xbox , #Zune , and #WindowsMobile Mark “Microsoft’s Downward Spiral” http://ur1.ca/j04a | Jan 04 09:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Deceptive #Vista7 Advertising, Neglect, Bugs, and More #Security Problems http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/04/vista-7-still-stinks/ | Jan 04 10:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Chasing #Google Not Just in #Search But Operating Systems and Office Suites Too http://ur1.ca/j08e | Jan 04 11:03 | |
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| motherone | hello | Jan 04 11:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Judge Randall Rader Redefines #PatentTroll http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/04/rader-trolls-apologist/ #swpat #microsoft #ibm | Jan 04 11:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: What’s So Great About #GNU #Linux ? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/04/frugaltech-on-gnu-linux/ #playogg | Jan 04 11:49 | |
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| *kecskebak has just noticed what a CPU hog D Bus is... | Jan 04 11:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/01/2010128143176494.html | Jan 04 12:00 |
| kecskebak | Just laughing at the bing logo design getting a kicking on that article linked from BN | Jan 04 12:01 |
| kecskebak | The bing logo is utterly hideous | Jan 04 12:02 |
| schestowitz | "Secular campaigners in the Irish Republic defied a strict new blasphemy law which came into force today by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations online and promising to fight the legislation in court." | Jan 04 12:02 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: it is | Jan 04 12:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/01/irish-atheists-challenge-blasphemy-law | Jan 04 12:02 |
| kecskebak | Of course the blasphemy law is quite handy at diverting attention at what's going on in the Irish economy | Jan 04 12:03 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/orcinus_/imgs/8/d/8d1bb555.png | Jan 04 12:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Australia crater discovered via Aboriginal dreaming story, Google Earth - http://bit.ly/7g2TGq ancient lore meets modern tech | Jan 04 12:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody How the Internet Changed Writing in the 2000s - http://bit.ly/8vf2p2 it has made us write more and enjoy writing more... | Jan 04 12:22 | |
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| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704065404574636323803224360.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Jan 04 12:44 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How long before all passengers are just asked to travel naked, for "Safety"? http://ur1.ca/j0ch http://ur1.ca/j0ci | Jan 04 12:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Labour fears Blair will be a liability - Times Online - So the penny drops......eventually http://tinyurl.com/y99dp8p | Jan 04 12:46 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. "@schestowitz I predict that in future passengers in general will be sedated and kept in artificial coma when flying ;-)" http://identi.ca/notice/18163138 | Jan 04 12:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jan Wildeboer (jwildeboer) 's status on Monday, 04-Jan-10 12:35:42 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.89 KB | Jan 04 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Future passengers in state of death would be better and brough back to life on landing. | Jan 04 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Since how to you kill the already dead. | Jan 04 12:49 |
| MinceR | animate or resurrect and then kill | Jan 04 12:52 |
| MinceR | or simply consider "killing" them successfully completed. :> | Jan 04 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | when airport security is done, they'll move on to trains, subways, cars, and buildings | Jan 04 12:56 |
| MinceR | earlier | Jan 04 12:56 |
| MinceR | it will never be done | Jan 04 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Is there a good tool (monitor) that will make the shell beep when server load goes high? | Jan 04 12:59 |
| schestowitz | There's still this bot nonsense killing BN server at random intervals until I filter the bastards | Jan 04 13:00 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8439067.stm | Jan 04 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8438824.stm "Avatar has become the fastest movie ever to achieve $1bn (£625.6m) in ticket sales around the world." | Jan 04 13:03 |
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| kecskebak | Good for Sir James. And they said making a remake of the Smurfs was commercial suicide... | Jan 04 13:05 |
| kecskebak | Maybe thanks to GNU/Linux server farms acting doesn't have much of a future. | Jan 04 13:06 |
| kecskebak | It will be interested to see how quickly this leads into films with virtual actors. | Jan 04 13:07 |
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| kecskebak | Or pop videos featuring artists that have died. | Jan 04 13:08 |
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| kecskebak | And how far back families will be able to copyright the image of dead actors and musicians. | Jan 04 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Kurt Kobain? | Jan 04 13:09 |
| schestowitz | *Cobain | Jan 04 13:10 |
| kecskebak | Yes, duetting with Bing Crosby | Jan 04 13:10 |
| kecskebak | (C) CORBIS | Jan 04 13:10 |
| kecskebak | And looking very relaxed, Adolf Hitler on vibes... | Jan 04 13:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/09/10/grohl-novoselic-didnt-approve-cobains-guitar-hero-avatar/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/sep/10/courtney-love-kurt-cobain | Jan 04 13:11 |
| kecskebak | There could be some quite weird things in the next ten years | Jan 04 13:11 |
| kecskebak | Particularly in the field of copyright | Jan 04 13:11 |
| schestowitz | excellent and long accumulation of old findings http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100102191857582 | Jan 04 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: re copyrights: http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2009/12/23/us-weighs-copyright-as-barrier-to-grey-market-imports/ | Jan 04 13:25 |
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| kecskebak | schestowitz: Thanks for the link - copyright always interests me as it's what underpins the GPL | Jan 04 13:26 |
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| hexx | hey | Jan 04 13:31 |
| hexx | anyone there? | Jan 04 13:31 |
| hexx | try this: in ubuntu, open synaptic and search for keyring | Jan 04 13:32 |
| hexx | there is no keyring manager other than mono-based one | Jan 04 13:32 |
| hexx | or maybe im looking in the wrong place | Jan 04 13:34 |
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| hexx | nm, i am looking in the wrong place | Jan 04 13:36 |
| hexx | that CLI binding got me confused... why did they have to abbreaviate Common Language Infrastructure same as Command Line Interface?! | Jan 04 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I missed hexx | Jan 04 13:41 |
| MinceR | omg h4x | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/03/avatar-hits-1bn-in-r.html "Let's be fair, Titanic made a buttload of money, but at the time, a lot of that was from teen girls going multiple times (I know several young ladies who made it an even dozen). Avatar may have made less money but be seen by more people :)" | Jan 04 13:43 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: hoax? | Jan 04 13:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] When people tell me to go to hell, I ask for directions; they obviously know the place exists for one thing. It's not on Googlemaps :/ | Jan 04 13:43 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: nope | Jan 04 13:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] someone needs to do a holiday guide book to hell, with common satanic phrases to remember that will get you extra marshmallows for toasting | Jan 04 13:46 | |
| kecskebak | And they only run Windows ME down there... | Jan 04 13:49 |
| schestowitz | http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/ViewPost.aspx?bpid=320137&t=01005232244381733972 | Jan 04 14:00 |
| schestowitz | "The big question regarding the Motley Fool blog subject: Tesla Motors' Jonathan Sobel. What Exactly Did He Do For/To Geeknet (LNUX) Before Abruptly Jumping Ship to Tesla? is: Will sourceforge.net, slashdot.org, ohloh.net, and freshmeat.net go the way of Linux.com? (see Tesla Motors' Jonathan Sobel blog footnotes 1,2,3,4) given Geeknet management has consistently and incomprehensibly failed in not only not creating shareholder value | Jan 04 14:00 |
| schestowitz | from these hugely (1.) substantive assets (2.) but Sobel and the Geeknet (LNUX) Management (excluding Caroline Offutt) and Board have actually destroyed LNUX shareholder value (3.). " | Jan 04 14:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I joked | Jan 04 14:00 |
| MinceR | so did i | Jan 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Nice clock: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robbie73/3387189144/ | Jan 04 14:08 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I hate my neighbour he/she switch offs the wifi often :(. i badly need good internet! | Jan 04 14:14 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] glynmoody says the movie 'avatar' is powered by #linux http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-lies-at-heart-of-avatar.html #good | Jan 04 14:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Eek. http://rawstory.com/2009//01/secret-service-investigates-obama-effigy-hung-president-carters-hometown/ | Jan 04 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | Almost all CG films are powered by GNU Linux | Jan 04 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | So Tiger was caught cheating on his wife after all... no wonder he tried gagging the press | Jan 04 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Nike: Just DO it! | Jan 04 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Tiger Woods is a Buddhists... http://www.wildmind.org/blogs/on-practice/top-10-celebrity-buddhists | Jan 04 14:33 |
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| kecskebak | Tiger tops endangered list... | Jan 04 14:37 |
| kecskebak | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6927330/Top-10-most-endangered-species-in-the-world.html | Jan 04 14:37 |
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| kecskebak | ;) | Jan 04 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | I was just about to post this inn BN | Jan 04 14:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFM1X0o2pnc | Jan 04 14:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Well, that sounds good to me so long the husband is Muslim. :-) >RT @Arabserver 6% of Jordanian Women get married to a foreigner!... | Jan 04 15:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Well, that sounds good to me so long the husband is Muslim. :-) >RT @ArabObserver 6% of Jordanian | Jan 04 15:09 | |
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| schestowitz | This is one is also good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG2OcW_Hwkg | Jan 04 15:37 |
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| _Goblin | good afternoon all. | Jan 04 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Yo | Jan 04 15:46 |
| schestowitz | I was just posting about Kahel a minute ago | Jan 04 15:46 |
| _Goblin | Good or bad? | Jan 04 15:46 |
| _Goblin | Theres a little war going on over that..... | Jan 04 15:47 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/18163465 "@schestowitz maybe stepping outside in general should be seen as potentially dangerous?" | Jan 04 15:47 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone know if #gwibber are planning to offer an option of using the old sane UI? a sort of pre-acid gwibber | Jan 04 15:47 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I didn't read the comments | Jan 04 15:48 |
| _Goblin | By the way Kahel means orange...found out | Jan 04 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Arch seems to be rising | Jan 04 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Many derivatives and more exposure than when I started keeping track of Linux news | Jan 04 15:49 |
| _Goblin | Tuxmachines and distrowatch linked my Kahel post. | Jan 04 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I could guess... | Jan 04 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I live TuxMachines | Jan 04 15:50 |
| schestowitz | *love | Jan 04 15:50 |
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| _Goblin | lol....according to Daryl over on my comments I live to be a spin doctor. | Jan 04 15:50 |
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| _Goblin | Is that Spin Doctor as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43U0OeWg3Q ? | Jan 04 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Jan 04 15:54 |
| schestowitz | "Daryl"? | Jan 04 15:54 |
| schestowitz | That's a known Microsoft troll | Jan 04 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Hotmail/bigpond | Jan 04 15:55 |
| _Goblin | Not known..... | Jan 04 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Banned from Linux Today | Jan 04 15:55 |
| _Goblin | 0wned Microsoft Troll | Jan 04 15:55 |
| _Goblin | and Im sorry....I hate using that word... | Jan 04 15:55 |
| _Goblin | very un-adult like. | Jan 04 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Which word? | Jan 04 15:56 |
| _Goblin | 0wned | Jan 04 15:56 |
| schestowitz | He trolls | Jan 04 15:56 |
| _Goblin | badly | Jan 04 15:56 |
| schestowitz | He provoked on purpose | Jan 04 15:56 |
| schestowitz | Ah, "owned" | Jan 04 15:57 |
| _Goblin | come on Roy...get l337!!! ;) | Jan 04 15:57 |
| schestowitz | He makes inflammatory comments, Hadron style | Jan 04 15:57 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: 0wn3d? | Jan 04 15:57 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jan 04 15:57 |
| _Goblin | better | Jan 04 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Yo yo yo!!! | Jan 04 15:57 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 04 15:57 |
| _Goblin | 0Wn3D ....MeGa ScEnE tExT.....that takes me back... | Jan 04 15:58 |
| _Goblin | "We eat your code raw....." | Jan 04 15:58 |
| _Goblin | sorry, I'll stop... | Jan 04 15:59 |
| _Goblin | all it will take now is for me to go down memory lane with the A500 and I'll clear your channel. | Jan 04 15:59 |
| _Goblin | Roy, going back to Kahel, its turned more into Ka-hell....loads of angry Arch users complaining.... | Jan 04 16:00 |
| _Goblin | I was just pleased it was a distro that wasn't derived from Ubuntu. | Jan 04 16:01 |
| _Goblin | ten a penny these days.... | Jan 04 16:02 |
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| _Goblin | Hi Omar87! | Jan 04 16:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I am watching an awesome movie named 'october sky' | Jan 04 16:03 | |
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| _Goblin | Heres a quote of the day for you all: | Jan 04 16:07 |
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| _Goblin | "so to say that MS has a FUD campain against FOSS is not really correct, well ive not seen many examples of it." - written by Daryl on the comments section of my blog. | Jan 04 16:08 |
| _Goblin | I don't know about anyone else, but Im convinced.... ;) | Jan 04 16:08 |
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| _Goblin | Interesting....OpenSUSE is in 4th place on Distrowatch....Fedora and Mint both taking positions above it.... | Jan 04 16:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Taking a look at Zorin....allegedly a Windows "inspired"? distro..... #linux #foss #gnu #free | Jan 04 16:14 | |
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| _Goblin | Tuxmachines has just listed a Ubuntu 9.10 review...is that not a little late? | Jan 04 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | better late than never? | Jan 04 16:19 |
| _Goblin | agreed, but then its been reviewed to death everywhere (including my site) weeks ago | Jan 04 16:19 |
| _Goblin | both KDE and Gnome flavors | Jan 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Setting up Hotmail for pop3 is the devil | Jan 04 16:20 |
| _Goblin | hotmail? like all the spam? | Jan 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough, I've never gotten any spam in my Hotmail | Jan 04 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | I get it now and then in my Gmail | Jan 04 16:21 |
| _Goblin | hotmail is sure responsible for alot though. | Jan 04 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo Mail is a river of spam that I abandoned years ago | Jan 04 16:21 |
| _Goblin | I won't accept any mail from hotmail. | Jan 04 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | I like it well enough, the only parts that annoy me are setting up pop3 and the fact that lately it puts an advertisement in all outgoing mail | Jan 04 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | like "Windows 7 is super duper fabulous and crazy delicious, check it out at.........." | Jan 04 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | not that message, but it's distasteful | Jan 04 16:23 |
| _Goblin | MS needs to support itself now that its cashcows are starting to dry up. | Jan 04 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | can't remember what it actually says | Jan 04 16:23 |
| _Goblin | "Windows 7 - It will be better next time"????? | Jan 04 16:24 |
| _Goblin | wow....1000 reads in the last 3 hours of just one article on my site. | Jan 04 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | let me see if I can dig one up | Jan 04 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you." | Jan 04 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | there's one, notice how it doesn't say anything about Windows because Windows is a part of the PC | Jan 04 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | everyone knows that | Jan 04 16:26 |
| _Goblin | oh dear.... | Jan 04 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Microsoft brings you a new way to search the web. Try Bing™ now" | Jan 04 16:27 |
| _Goblin | that would be a nightmare EU case for MS.....OEM | Jan 04 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's another one | Jan 04 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Bing is trademarked you see | Jan 04 16:27 |
| _Goblin | Ive seen Bing being pimped pretty hard....even on our local radio station....they don't mention Microsoft though....I wonder why? | Jan 04 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Obviously, it's a short word | Jan 04 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft should go sue every pinball machine maker now | Jan 04 16:27 |
| schestowitz | They waned one vowel | Jan 04 16:27 |
| schestowitz | *wanted | Jan 04 16:27 |
| _Goblin | and door bell for patent infringement | Jan 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I own "boom" | Jan 04 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7. <link>" | Jan 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz | You own "whack" | Jan 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft owns "seven" | Jan 04 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Royalties on the Bible are due :-) payable to Stephen Ballmer | Jan 04 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | so Hotmail basically turns your outgoing email into spam for Hotmail, Windows, Bing, and other things | Jan 04 16:28 |
| _Goblin | yep and we will have no calculations or things involving the number 7, unless you want to be taken to court.... | Jan 04 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Bible in audio book format with WM-DRM "Janus" making sure that nobody that hasn't paid them can listen | Jan 04 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | then you'll get Microsoft Bible with integrated Internet Explorer | Jan 04 16:30 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: hey! | Jan 04 16:30 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: how are you? | Jan 04 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | then someone will get the idea to just record their sound card in Audacity, aww snap | Jan 04 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's why MSN Music really went under by the way, other than low sales | Jan 04 16:31 |
| _Goblin | omar87: Hi! Very well! | Jan 04 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA didn't like how easy it was to strip the DRM out of a WMA file | Jan 04 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can strip the DRM out of a WMA without re-encoding the entire file | Jan 04 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | it takes about 20 seconds per album | Jan 04 16:32 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: ya know something? I've been watching clip of a match for Kofi Kingston vs. The Miz earlier today. | Jan 04 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | so long URGE, and thanks for the thousands of free tracks B-) | Jan 04 16:33 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: Kofi is the man! He also shares the same birthday (not year) as me! | Jan 04 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | I was playing around with some WMA files on Linux just for shits and giggles | Jan 04 16:34 |
| _Goblin | August 14th! | Jan 04 16:34 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: And, as usual, just when Kofi Kingston was so damn close from winning is when Randy Orton popped out of thin air and.. ya know the rest. :) | Jan 04 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | it can decode and encode WMA standard, but it can't do anything with WMA Pro or Lossless | Jan 04 16:34 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jan 04 16:34 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: Kool! :) | Jan 04 16:34 |
| _Goblin | Ever seen King of the Deathmatch 95? | Jan 04 16:34 |
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| DaemonFC | I've kind of wondered if Vorbis will ever be sued | Jan 04 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | it implements a lot of things that various companies probably have patents on | Jan 04 16:35 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: There's a big of a suspect link in your instructionals | Jan 04 16:35 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: ya know something? I think that, if Kofi Kingston really wants to get past Randy Orton.. He needs to find himself some good company to be with. | Jan 04 16:35 |
| kecskebak | I think the antique film effect tutorial has been lifted from the original author | Jan 04 16:35 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: nope.. | Jan 04 16:35 |
| _Goblin | Omar87: - Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FV0nlyzKM8 | Jan 04 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | the guy that came up with MDCT got the patent for FhG and went to work at Microsoft, for example | Jan 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, Zune is to die next, IMHO | Jan 04 16:36 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: The original article is http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Film_Grain/ | Jan 04 16:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft pays FhG, Thomson, the MPEG Forum, etc. for patents | Jan 04 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | lots of patents, for WMA | Jan 04 16:36 |
| schestowitz | That Zune "squirting" was a bad idea... not enough units to share with | Jan 04 16:36 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: You linked to http://ubuntulandforever.blogspot.com/2010/01/antique-film-effects-with-gimp.html | Jan 04 16:36 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Just tell someone you want to squirt on them | Jan 04 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | bad naming idea | Jan 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: oh, yours? | Jan 04 16:37 |
| kecskebak | No, not mine, but I recognised the original | Jan 04 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It wouldn't surprise me if the reason more players don't do Vorbis is because Microsoft or the MPEG Forum members are paying them not to | Jan 04 16:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: strangers? | Jan 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. | Jan 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Not these days | Jan 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | You must not to anyone cause s/he can have wine-flu or be a terror~1 | Jan 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | And even so, asking a young man or woman for a "squirt" is impolite | Jan 04 16:38 |
| _Goblin | wine-flu? | Jan 04 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's marketing department was stupid enough to call it that | Jan 04 16:39 |
| _Goblin | lol you talking Zune and its squirting? | Jan 04 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | In my own listening tests from the several thousand CDs I must have by now, Vorbis is the first codec that really delivers on same quality as MP3 at half the bitrate | Jan 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, Zune squirts GOOD! | Jan 04 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft tried to make that same claim 10 years ago | Jan 04 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Then you get DRM-laden stuff | Jan 04 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say WMA is same quality at 50% higher bitrate | Jan 04 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 04 16:39 |
| _Goblin | lol....its even worse than MS not realizing that Bing = "a heap, a pile" | Jan 04 16:39 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: woah!! Isn't that Mick Foley?? :D | Jan 04 16:40 |
| _Goblin | yep | Jan 04 16:40 |
| _Goblin | cactus jack | Jan 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Oggs that I make are far smaller than MPEG4 | Jan 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz | I didn't compare qualities though | Jan 04 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | I usually go for q5 | Jan 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz | But it seems safe to say that "Free" means better | Jan 04 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | anything more is overkill | Jan 04 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Sure applies to APache | Jan 04 16:40 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: lol! He hasn't changed a bit since then!! 0_0 | Jan 04 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | anything less cuts off below 20 Khz | Jan 04 16:40 |
| _Goblin | omar87: No..! Wait until the match gets going....! Great stuff! | Jan 04 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | q4 has a lowpass set at 18.7 Khz, which is well inside the ange of human hearing | Jan 04 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | and starts using noise normalization | Jan 04 16:41 |
| kecskebak | My collection are all ripped as oggs and I listen to them on my computer. | Jan 04 16:41 |
| kecskebak | They sound great | Jan 04 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | starts giving it an analog tape like hiss | Jan 04 16:41 |
| kecskebak | So I never bothered ripping again as FLACs | Jan 04 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | kecskebak: I make a CD out of the FLAC files, then transcode them to Vorbis at q5 to reside on my player and hard drive | Jan 04 16:42 |
| _Goblin | Im going to sound ancient here, but you can take your digital media away.....if it aint on vinyl, it aint "pure" | Jan 04 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | that way if there's some "Big new advancement" in Vorbis I have the CD, and the CD plays in my car too | Jan 04 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | the new testing builds of AoTuv have a new block switching algorithm | Jan 04 16:43 |
| schestowitz | kecskebak: I'll leave the link as-is, I'm feelin' lazy | Jan 04 16:43 |
| kecskebak | I know a guy who spent his career cutting vinyl records. He thinks vinyl is rubbish. | Jan 04 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | helps it avoid smearing transients, like AAC has for a while | Jan 04 16:44 |
| kecskebak | schestowitz: No problem, just letting you know. Looks like a blog scraper getting ad revenue on other peoples work, that's all | Jan 04 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | Aoyumi is pretty much the most important contributor to Vorbis, and has been for a while | Jan 04 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | the official Xiph.org encoder is lagging behind badly | Jan 04 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | hasn't had any meaningful updates in 5 years | Jan 04 16:45 |
| kecskebak | He's Mike Brown - http://www.originalsound.co.uk/ - he is pretty scathing about vinyl when you chat to him | Jan 04 16:45 |
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| DaemonFC | in the mean time, Aoyumi has hundreds of patches in his "forked" encoder | Jan 04 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | there's a PPA for Ubuntu that lets you replace the Xiph.org reference encoder with Aoyumi's | Jan 04 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | he only provides Windows binaries, but nothing prevents you from building it for *nix | Jan 04 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | I built it myself on FreeBSD 8-beta | Jan 04 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to go give Xiph.org a nice swift kick in the pants though, for lagging so badly | Jan 04 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | even their x.x.x releases are late | Jan 04 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | 1.3.0 is supposed to merge back all of Aoyumi's patches, and that's been their line for well over a year now | Jan 04 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm having some doubt | Jan 04 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's really pissing me off to have to build it independently of them because every Linux distro thinks they're violating some holy covenant with God if they don't hand you something from 2005 | Jan 04 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | even Winamp's official Vorbis encoder plug-in is not Xiph.org's reference encoder :) | Jan 04 16:51 |
| schestowitz | But you're not a musician | Jan 04 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just glad the bitstream format was stabilized before Xiph went on vacation :P | Jan 04 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes that's the best you can hope for with anything the FSF is sponsoring | Jan 04 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I've noticed that the FSF is current on all their core projects, but outside of that is like this boneyard of FOSS that got half-finished and "still has a page" on their server, it seems like a curse or something | Jan 04 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | but it's happened a few times where I found something that did exactly what I needed (in theory) and it hadn't been worked on in 4-5 years | Jan 04 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | or someone contributed a patch that enabled a feature that I wanted and they threw it out for political reasons | Jan 04 16:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablets in #GNU #Linux - Just Works http://kecskebak.blogspot.com/2010/01/karmic-tablets.html | Jan 04 16:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | if they want more people to take them seriously, things like that _cannot_ be the noram | Jan 04 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | *norm | Jan 04 16:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review/Overview of #LemonPOS : Linux for Registers http://www.ghacks.net/2010/01/03/lemonpos-linux-point-of-sale/ | Jan 04 16:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I just don't understand.. What in Earth is with these ppl making a big deal outta that stupid lump of metal and cement called "Burj Dubai"?! | Jan 04 16:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The Geek Who Cried FUD" - Story on Anti-Free Software Tactics http://www.igneousquill.net/2010/01/geek-who-cried-fud.html | Jan 04 17:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Users More Qualified for Assessment of #Windows http://ur1.ca/j0r7 http://ur1.ca/j0r8 | Jan 04 17:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | it happened a while back that they turned down a trivial patch that enabled GMediaServer to talk to the XBOX 360 | Jan 04 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | I guess their reasoning was that if they allowed that to happen, more people would buy 360s | Jan 04 17:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of World of Goo on #GNU #Linux http://happylinuxthoughts.blogspot.com/2010/01/world-of-goo-review.html | Jan 04 17:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | which reminds me of my favorite government line ever that "If we legalize pot, it may become easy to get." "There could be rioting and mass hysteria, the world could become like something out of Mad Max" | Jan 04 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | Someone needs to like, stick a post-it on RMS's monitor that says "When it doesn't work, people go back to Mac or Windows" | Jan 04 17:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TWM Still Going, #KDE Overview on 2009 http://ur1.ca/j0rj http://ur1.ca/j0rk | Jan 04 17:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | If they want FOSS to succeed, it means not turning down patches given to them that make FOSS do what the people want/need | Jan 04 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You ever notice that no matter what software stack you use, be it Windows, Mac, or Linux, you have this "invisible hand" reaching down to make sure you can only do with your computer what they want you to? | Jan 04 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's like what kind of manipulation can you live with | Jan 04 17:07 |
| kecskebak | Fortunately people fork stuff. That's why Inkscape exists. | Jan 04 17:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Benchmarks of #Sabayon Linux Impress; #Arch and #Slackware Compared http://ur1.ca/j0rz http://beej.us/blog/?p=36 | Jan 04 17:08 | |
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| kecskebak | The original Inkscape developer was submitting patches to sodipodi that never got included | Jan 04 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | The tree of liberty needs refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. | Jan 04 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 04 17:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Review of #KahelOS (GNU/Linux) http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/kahel-os-version-12-25-09-gnome/ | Jan 04 17:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | must be why I never heard of sodipodi | Jan 04 17:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Looks for Expansion Through VMs http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/01/03/red-hat-to-partners-prepare-for-hosted-desktop-virtualization/ | Jan 04 17:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | kecskebak: There was a fork of Mozilla Suite called Beonex Communicator for a while, which I used | Jan 04 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | back before Mozilla cared about end-users and Netscape was packed with spyware and crap | Jan 04 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Linux distributions were still shipping with Netscape 4 way past when you could actually use it | Jan 04 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | so I will agree that forks serve a purpose | Jan 04 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat Linux 9 was by far the best Linux distribution before or since, in spite of that though | Jan 04 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think the people that complain of KDE 4 forget how painful GNOME-2 was | Jan 04 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | there were people calling for forks of the KDE 3.5.x branch :P | Jan 04 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | 3.5.x has pretty much been forked anyway, it's still out there even for the Ubuntu 10.04 development branch | Jan 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | they had to modify it extensively to still work since KDE is not maintaining it anymore | Jan 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed one of the release goals of GNOME 2.30 is no more dependence on Bonobo | Jan 04 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jan 04 17:19 |
| kecskebak | Whenever I use my GNOME system monitor, I notice this thing called D-Bus hogging the CPU | Jan 04 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Bonobo has bugged me for a while | Jan 04 17:20 |
| kecskebak | 25-40% all the time. I wonder what it's doing | Jan 04 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically a re-implementation of Microsoft DCOM | Jan 04 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | which probably explains why I hate it | Jan 04 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | d-bus won't be going anywhere | Jan 04 17:21 |
| kecskebak | I just wonder why D-Bus uses so much CPU | Jan 04 17:22 |
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| DaemonFC | kecskebak: Probably has something to do with PolicyKit | Jan 04 17:23 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: KDE 4.3.4 is hitting Karmic's backports :D | Jan 04 17:24 |
| trmanco | great stuff | Jan 04 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit/+bug/426556 | Jan 04 17:24 |
| trmanco | plasma got some speed gains in this update | Jan 04 17:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Makes Profound Personal Impact http://diffperspective.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/how-ubuntu-linux-changed-my-life/ | Jan 04 17:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue174 | Jan 04 17:24 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How Ubuntu (Linux) Changed My Life « The Chronic Agnostic .::. Size~: 51.08 KB | Jan 04 17:24 |
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| trmanco | at least, that was what was written in the changelog | Jan 04 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | "Ubuntu changed my life! I’m smarter, cooler, and more ethical." either he's using Ubuntu or a Mac | Jan 04 17:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #UltimateEdition #Linux 2.5 http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/01/03/ultimate-edition-linux-2-5/ #ubuntu | Jan 04 17:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | Mac users are like that, even though their Mac was built in China by ipod city (Foxconn) workers | Jan 04 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | and is not environmentally friendly | Jan 04 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they bought FairTrade coffee at Starbucks for $5 a cup, that makes them even more socially responsible even though styrofoam never decomposes | Jan 04 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 04 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | then they placed it in their McMansion which was not well insulated | Jan 04 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | and finished the day with some undeserved smug self-satisfaction | Jan 04 17:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Phones from #Google Due Shortly, Motorola's Compared http://ur1.ca/j0tn http://ur1.ca/j0to | Jan 04 17:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | oh, they got it home in their Prius | Jan 04 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 04 17:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm 's #Linux -based Phones Also a #Handheld Gaming Console http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/quake_ported_palm_pre | Jan 04 17:29 | |
| trmanco | http://websvn.kde.org/?view=revision&revision=1055788 | Jan 04 17:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware on VTV ( #Vietnam ), #Spain Bets on Free Software http://ur1.ca/j0tv http://ur1.ca/j0tw | Jan 04 17:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FOSDEM 2010 Starts Presenting Speakers http://lwn.net/Articles/368491/ | Jan 04 17:31 | |
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| kecskebak | DaemonFC: Thanks for the link | Jan 04 17:32 |
| kecskebak | It's not very environmentally friendly, all this CPU load multiplied by the number of computers running GNOME | Jan 04 17:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Chinese #Censorship Affects Entire Regions http://ur1.ca/j0ud http://ur1.ca/j0ue | Jan 04 17:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Now to Potentially be Enforced by #Copyrights http://ur1.ca/ifyi | Jan 04 17:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sarko 's Gift to #Hollywood is Opened http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8436745.stm | Jan 04 17:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bono Gets Criticised for #MAFIAA Support http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8439200.stm | Jan 04 17:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmmmmmm... that last one is ambiguous. Make that "Bono Gets Criticised for Intervention with MAFIAA" | Jan 04 17:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ebook Industry Gives Reasons to Boycott Electronic Books with #DRM http://ur1.ca/j0v8 #waiver | Jan 04 17:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Expert Finds New, #Microsoft -esque #Crimes from #Intel http://ur1.ca/j0ve | Jan 04 17:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xbox360 at 87.5% Failure Rate for Former #Microsoft MVP http://ur1.ca/j0vl | Jan 04 17:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez a lot of poor people died making this building | Jan 04 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I only receive security patches | Jan 04 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Rather, these are the only one I'd install | Jan 04 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiting for KDE 4.4 on another distro, I guess | Jan 04 17:58 |
| schestowitz | ANy distro I try is OK; I want to try Pardus next | Jan 04 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://askville.amazon.com/Illegal-immigration-question-debate/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=64853340 | Jan 04 17:58 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 04 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're used to living at someone's expense too | Jan 04 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Look at history for a bit | Jan 04 18:09 |
| schestowitz | In general, when one economy thrives it tends to happen thanks to "Exploitation" (definitions may vary from slavery to wage slavery). | Jan 04 18:10 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: enable backports | Jan 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | When the deprived attempts to undo the yoke/shackles (e.g. Rosa Park moves to front of bus), then we call this "heresy!" and "illegal alien!" | Jan 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, all these changes are minor anyway | Jan 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Not worth the time and 4.4 is out next month anyway | Jan 04 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | not the same thing at all | Jan 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If I fly over to the UK, I expect to be made a full citizen immediately | Jan 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | now would that happen? | Jan 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | maybe if 20 million people all walked across your border and demanded it at one | Jan 04 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | *once | Jan 04 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they could corrupt your government into slapping them with a token fine and then proceed to get full amnesty and citizenship | Jan 04 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they could proceed to undercut 20 million of your citizens for wages | Jan 04 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't expect any bitching from you guys about it | Jan 04 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | hey, why don't you take in all the Mexicans? | Jan 04 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | you're so great for volunteering for that, you're a real humanitarian | Jan 04 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.helpmysql.org/ | Jan 04 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. | Jan 04 18:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz & @brmbcr No. It has more to do with what Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) had said about the current age we are living in. | Jan 04 18:15 | |
| DaemonFC | and why not let them all work under the table for cash, pay no taxes, and strain your healthcare service? | Jan 04 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | just push the thing to the breaking point, to the point your taxes increase 50% to compensate | Jan 04 18:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I know you like them more when they serve you taco | Jan 04 18:16 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't make it ethical | Jan 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | oh, with the added bonus that as an American citizen, we don't get healthcare for free at all, but the illegals use the emergency room as their doctor's office | Jan 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | so our taxes go up and we don't get health coverage | Jan 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | So did you :-) | Jan 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | ER | Jan 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | No, I used it for an emergency | Jan 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | not cause I stubbed my tow and knew the real citizens would cover me | Jan 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | *toe | Jan 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Tow | Jan 04 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | but then I could complain about all those bastards that didn't want to pay $5,000 cause I stubbed my toe | Jan 04 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | then I could eat a Gordita :) | Jan 04 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tow "In the textile industry, a tow (rhymes with cow, unless referring to cellulose acetate which sounds like toe) is a coarse, broken fiber such as flax, hemp, or jute.[1] Flax tows are often used as upholstery stuffing, and tows in general are frequently cut up to produce staple fibers." | Jan 04 18:18 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have another problem with this. The hospital can't collect, but they can put the bill on my credit report for 7 years | Jan 04 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | illegals don't have that problem | Jan 04 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | also if they commit a crime, they can go out on bail and assume another false identity | Jan 04 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | I watched it happen right here | Jan 04 18:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.slate.com/id/2239466/pagenum/all/ "Why Jaron Lanier rants against what the Web has become." | Jan 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | the judge ordered "probation" and "counseling" and a $1,000 fine | Jan 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | he just disappeared | Jan 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | no jail time, no calling Immigration | Jan 04 18:20 |
| schestowitz | All USians are immigrants | Jan 04 18:20 |
| schestowitz | From Africa | Jan 04 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Originally. | Jan 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | if I was found guilty of the crap he pulled, I would be in jail for a minimum of a year | Jan 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | illegals basically have de facto immunity from most laws | Jan 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | I bet you made Hall of Shame in Indiana's sheriff office | Jan 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | if they murder someone, there may be a penalty, if they don't hop back over the border first | Jan 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | like those drug smugglers | Jan 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | WHat is law, DaemonFC? | Jan 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Define it | Jan 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | In simple layman terms | Jan 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | C'mon | Jan 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Go ahead | Jan 04 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | an action that you commit with punitive consequences if found guilty by a jury of peers | Jan 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Let's not assume things to be what they're now | Jan 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Let's not assume things to be what they're not | Jan 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you avoid the question | Jan 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | How do you view law? | Jan 04 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | it should be applied equally, in theory, though minorities and illegal immigrants usually don't get punished at all | Jan 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Some people wrongly view "money" as papers of coins at the back door of some bank and Earth as some flat land with Heaven above and 'something' underground | Jan 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's not the answer | Jan 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | You say how it's applied, you don't say what it actually is | Jan 04 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically something that only bites you in the ass if you are a tax paying citizen that hasn't tried to defraud the rest of your country out of money | Jan 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jan 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | It's just a set of rules | Jan 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Made by men | Jan 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Not magic scroll found near the Bush or carved in stone | Jan 04 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | it basically goes after the honest people with much harsher punishment | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Laws change, or get harmonised | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Universal laws are defined by DNA, genetics | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Like compassion | Jan 04 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | so why don't they give the same sentence to illegal Mexicans that they would to me? | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | psychology can change through abuse and change law to justify manslaughter | Jan 04 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | if justice is supposedly blind and equal | Jan 04 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | The notion of "border" is man-made | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | You have housing | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | That's personal territory | Jan 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Then you have tribal/clannish borders | Jan 04 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | allegedly | Jan 04 18:26 |
| schestowitz | With own privileged set of rules | Jan 04 18:26 |
| MinceR | you also need privacy | Jan 04 18:26 |
| schestowitz | The US is one example | Jan 04 18:26 |
| MinceR | so personal territory isn't so contrived :> | Jan 04 18:26 |
| schestowitz | And one of your law is to [pardon the language], "keep those other 'brown people' out" | Jan 04 18:26 |
| schestowitz | As Carlin might say | Jan 04 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the tribal territories have become downtrodden, poverty-ridden areas | Jan 04 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | the rest have become tax shelters, casinos, etc | Jan 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | It used to be "red people" (Indians) | Jan 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | But you slaughtered them all and assimilated the rest | Jan 04 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I slaughtered them? | Jan 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | "You" not as in you, individually | Jan 04 18:27 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30315/53/ | Jan 04 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if I slaughtered anyone, I should go turn myself in | Jan 04 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I must have gotten drunk and gone and did it | Jan 04 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | cause I don't remember | Jan 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: Stevie gave it more publicity :-) | Jan 04 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I remember is two misdemeanors, copious amounts of cash and countering to get out of them, and no record of them | Jan 04 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | *counseling | Jan 04 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | damned spell check | Jan 04 18:29 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect | Jan 04 18:29 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would have traded the group counseling bullshit for a week in jail | Jan 04 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | but it wasn't up for debate | Jan 04 18:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't worry. NAFTA will fix ya right up! :-) | Jan 04 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | I called the counselor guy "Aging Hippie Liberal Douche" though, inspired by South Park | Jan 04 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | but not to his face or I would have been back in court | Jan 04 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104259/?searchterm=Goobacks | Jan 04 18:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz True, I agree. Unfortunately though, the lives those poor were bought so cheap. No body cares about them.. | Jan 04 18:33 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/04/wii_broadmoor/ | Jan 04 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | See why people go to jail? | Jan 04 18:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] Are you a stickler for the truth? | Jan 04 18:36 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You're just now realizing this? | Jan 04 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Did we give you the idea to give them all exercise equipment so the rapists and child molesters are as big as Schwarzenegger when they get out too? | Jan 04 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | or how about half time for good behavior so I could conceivably kill you and only do 7 years in prison? | Jan 04 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | (my favorite) | Jan 04 18:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/04/texas_arrests/ | Jan 04 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, I knew this long ago | Jan 04 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm just showing you | Jan 04 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I heard ages ago about peple in British cells watching cable telly | Jan 04 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a retirement home with bars | Jan 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: How about giving them all life sentences and letting YOUR tax money pay to keep them housed, clothed, and fed for 70 years? | Jan 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, that's been going on for a while too | Jan 04 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I think our prison overcrowding was Europe's fault | Jan 04 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they get free healthcare, too | Jan 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | sure do | Jan 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | nothing but the best for Charles Manson you see | Jan 04 18:40 |
| schestowitz | So if you're dying with disease, might as well commit a crime for free healthcare | Jan 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | they have prisoners in the facility my aunt works at with AIDS | Jan 04 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Moore joked about the torture islands having better healthcare | Jan 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and getting $1,500 a month in meds | Jan 04 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | from Indiana taxpayers | Jan 04 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | They need to keep them alive and well to entertain the waterboarders and informm interrogators | Jan 04 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Normal people are no use to them | Jan 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I support, under some circumstances, only giving them 2 or 3 appeals | Jan 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | to be granted within no more than 10 years | Jan 04 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | like Texas has done (I know, laugh) | Jan 04 18:42 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, in any case, AUDA have lost credibility over their handling of stephenconroy.com.au | Jan 04 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | but if more than so many witnesses watch you murder someone, it limits your appeals | Jan 04 18:42 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes | Jan 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | And they didn't kill it, either | Jan 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | See the recent case: | Jan 04 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, it would have to be plain, open and shut case, to invoke that, but it would get rid of the worst of the worst pretty damned quick | Jan 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | !moore picture lawyers | Jan 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | !google moore picture lawyers | Jan 04 18:43 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Point Out A Potential Photoshopping Of A Demi Moore Picture, And ... | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091221/1701497452.shtml | Jan 04 18:43 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Cele|bitchy » Blog Archive » Demi Moore's lawyer threatens ... | http://www.celebitchy.com/85732/demi_moores_lawyer_threatens_photographer_who_claims_she_was_airbrushed/ | Jan 04 18:43 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Demi Moore's lawyers threaten Boing Boing over photo analysis blog ... | http://boingboing.net/2009/12/28/demi-moores-lawyers.html | Jan 04 18:43 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Point Out A Potential Photoshopping Of A Demi Moore Picture, And ... | http://nobosh.com/s/point-out-a-potential-photoshopping-of-a-demi-moore-picture-and-she-has-her-lawyers-send-out-the-nastygrams/303186/ | Jan 04 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Actually at this point, I would support a constitutional convention :P | Jan 04 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they censored nothing, they only SPREAD the thing FURTHER, and made Demi like like a fascist crackpot | Jan 04 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers just DON'T understand how the Internet works | Jan 04 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | They think it's like the Daily Mirror or Sun where they can quietly issue takedowns | Jan 04 18:44 |
| schestowitz | !google trafigura bbc censorship | Jan 04 18:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - From the Online » #Trafigura: BBC concedes to Trafigura; truth ... | http://fromtheonline.com/2009/12/17/trafigura-bbc-concedes-to-trafigura-truth-will-never-be-tested-in-court-of-law/ | Jan 04 18:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Censored BBC World Service radio broadcast "Killer toxic waste" on ... | https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Censored_BBC_World_Service_radio_broadcast_%2522Killer_toxic_waste%2522_on_the_Trafigura_scandal,_14_May_2009 | Jan 04 18:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Bloggers - help beat Trafigura gag on BBC! - davblog | http://blog.dave.org.uk/2009/12/bloggers---help-beat-trafigura.html | Jan 04 18:45 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Index on Censorship » Blog Archive » Libel: BBC backs down on ... | http://www.mixx.com/stories/9841106/index_on_censorship_blog_archive_libel_bbc_backs_down_on_trafigura_report | Jan 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You know that when a government fails and a new one replaces it, the first thing they usually do is declare the old government's debt void | Jan 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | so I say we just borrow as much as we possibly can, fix and build all our infrastructure, then declare the government failed | Jan 04 18:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Onion has a joke about it | Jan 04 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they're smart enough to do that though :P | Jan 04 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16749 | Jan 04 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | They stage a coup | Jan 04 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Pretend that they were taken over, declare bankruptcy and debt is then null | Jan 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | someone needs to | Jan 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: We could declare ourselves the Allied States of America | Jan 04 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/07/us-debt-fake-coup | Jan 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | course there would be some holdouts calling themselves the USA | Jan 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | and Europe could fund the insurrectionists | Jan 04 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Wooord up! | Jan 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | just like last time | Jan 04 18:46 |
| schestowitz | See the video.. | Jan 04 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The fourteenth amendement has a clause that says more eloquently, that France and Briton are not getting shit from us to cover their loans to the Confederacy | Jan 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 04 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | they gambled and lost, my friend :P | Jan 04 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Loans from the US? | Jan 04 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No, British and French banks tried to loan LOTS of money to the CSA | Jan 04 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I know about aids to 3rd-world countries (i.e. US slaves), but to loan from a loaning country is kind of freaky | Jan 04 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | when the CSA was defeated, we refused to pay the loans back | Jan 04 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Seems like another deivative recursion | Jan 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Recipe for chaos | Jan 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Novell is still paying back debt | Jan 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Half a billion IIRC | Jan 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | !google novell debt | Jan 04 18:49 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Microsoft Sued Over Its Corruption in Switzerland, Microsoft Debt ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/24/msft-corruption-in-switzerland/ | Jan 04 18:49 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - 2009 June 19 | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/19/ | Jan 04 18:49 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - The Linux Beacon--Novell, Nasdaq, and Wells Fargo Bicker Over Debt ... | http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb092606-story08.html | Jan 04 18:49 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Novell's Earnings Beat - Zibb.com | http://www.zibb.com/article/5712278/Novells%2BEarnings%2BBeat | Jan 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | it also says the states are forbidden to pay the loans back | Jan 04 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Bam. Results #1 and 2 are BN's | Jan 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | It's possible for almost everyone to have debt | Jan 04 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | and then immediately following the war, we took a half of Mexico | Jan 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It's not a zero-sum thing anymore | Jan 04 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | which was jsut awesome | Jan 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Basically, we've all mortgaged our kids | Jan 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Then we ran out | Jan 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | And we started mortgaging our grandkids | Jan 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Not there's more debt | Jan 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | "Stimulus" | Jan 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | To give people the illusion things are improving | Jan 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | As long as the USD does not collapse and someone lends (or you just print money and devalue the USD) | Jan 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | little did we know that annexing hal fof Mexico had a little bit of Montezuma's Revenge built in | Jan 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | 135 years later | Jan 04 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | George W. Bush | Jan 04 18:52 |
| schestowitz | His name is George? | Jan 04 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was Dubya | Jan 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's what you get for drinking the water | Jan 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | diarrhea is the secondary effect | Jan 04 18:52 |
| schestowitz | The "M" is silent :-) | Jan 04 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still advocate building a DMZ, 3-4 miles or so deep | Jan 04 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | complete with anti-personnel and anti-tank mines | Jan 04 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | screw the wall :) | Jan 04 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | no more than one or two will have to die in the desert this way to get the point across that they're not getting in | Jan 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567185/dating-site-kicks-fatties "ONLINE DATING WEBSITE Beautifulpeople.com has kicked "5,000 festive fatties" off its service." | Jan 04 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's more humane in the long run | Jan 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | sure it is | Jan 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And it won't prevent entry by other means | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | 300 or more die every year trying to cross | Jan 04 18:55 |
| ender2070 | C isnt so hard, its actually quite simple | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | this way they can be certain they won't, and won't attempt it | Jan 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Like vehicles. It's a stupid idea and inhumane too | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | *won't ake it | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | *make | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Jan 04 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | I really mean that, a DMZ is the only humane way to solve both problems | Jan 04 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's like shock collar on your dog, zaps him if he tries to cross | Jan 04 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 04 18:56 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - thats not humane | Jan 04 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | sure it is | Jan 04 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | we can't just leave 300 of them to die in the desert each year | Jan 04 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | this way, a handful dies, and they stop trying | Jan 04 18:59 |
| ender2070 | could make it easier to legally get inside | Jan 04 18:59 |
| ender2070 | then nobody dies | Jan 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | it also stops the Mexican Army from escorting drug dealers into the US | Jan 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | they do it all the time | Jan 04 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's an act of war we always overlook | Jan 04 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't make the news cause then people would want it to cease | Jan 04 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | or if it does make it into the news, the Mexicans just say that they got lost on a training mission | Jan 04 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Texas sheriffs have been engaged in shootouts with Mexican soldiers escorting drug runners | Jan 04 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | it all gets suppressed though, by the Feds | Jan 04 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | "Talk about it and we kill you" from an FBI agent is probably all it takes | Jan 04 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | 1. It's not politically convenient to explain why the Mexican Army is on US soil escorting drug runners | Jan 04 19:03 |
| ender2070 | and you say im a conspiracy nut | Jan 04 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | 2. The Feds want the drugs here | Jan 04 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | also, the Mexican drug cartels bribe our politicians | Jan 04 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | especially at the state and local levels | Jan 04 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they pay good money to Texas state legislature representatives and to police and mayors and city councils of border towns | Jan 04 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | they look the other way, lets thousands of tons of cocaine and marijuana just pour right in | Jan 04 19:05 |
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| DaemonFC | it's good for the Feds when there's thousands of tons of drugs on the streets because they can use it as an excuse to turn the police into a militia | Jan 04 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | put the National Guard on the border | Jan 04 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | do whatever they want | Jan 04 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | pass laws to nullify the Constitutional bill of rights | Jan 04 19:07 |
| LearningAsIGo | Hey, anyone know anything about setting up IPSec? | Jan 04 19:07 |
| ender2070 | are they also working for reptilians who want to subvert our standard of living | Jan 04 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | if the excuse to do it never dries up, neither does the power they can seize for themselves | Jan 04 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think you appreciate how much more powerful the Federal government has become since around 1980 | Jan 04 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's growing exponentially thanks to two things | Jan 04 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | drugs and terrorism | Jan 04 19:08 |
| rnb | hello | Jan 04 19:08 |
| LearningAsIGo | Hey guys, anyone good with IPSec setup in Server 2003? I have a senario/question I need help with. | Jan 04 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've used Server 2003 as a desktop | Jan 04 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | but never as a server | Jan 04 19:09 |
| ender2070 | drugs, terrorism and human/alien reptilian genetic engineering | Jan 04 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | student discount, I got it for $5, figured it was a better choice than XP | Jan 04 19:10 |
| LearningAsIGo | hardly helps me much though does it? ;) | Jan 04 19:10 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: if it's all a big plot by the feds, why do you advocate blowing up innocent mexican civilians? | Jan 04 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: The reptilians are only conspiring with Canada | Jan 04 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC | how many times do I have to tell you, we get the Mexicans and the Muslims | Jan 04 19:10 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: safer than advocating blowing up the real culprits? | Jan 04 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | you get the Reptilians | Jan 04 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC | rnb: anti-vehicle mines would blast the Humvees, tanks, and APCs the Mexican Army uses to cross over here | Jan 04 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 04 19:11 |
| ender2070 | and cars | Jan 04 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | yep, cars too | Jan 04 19:12 |
| ender2070 | what if reptilians invade and you need to escape to mexico | Jan 04 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | it spares us an all out shooting war with Mexico that would erupt if the Feds admitted the border incursions | Jan 04 19:12 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: oh, by feds you mean the Mexican federales? | Jan 04 19:12 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: not the US feds? | Jan 04 19:12 |
| ender2070 | we're sharpening up our ice skates | Jan 04 19:12 |
| ender2070 | getting ready to come down and steal all your cheese | Jan 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | rub: The US and Mexican Federal governments | Jan 04 19:13 |
| ender2070 | right after we prove our superiority at the games | Jan 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're both keeping it quiet | Jan 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's cash for Mexico and more power for the US government | Jan 04 19:14 |
| ender2070 | did you know George Bush is mexican | Jan 04 19:14 |
| ender2070 | CONSPIRACY | Jan 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | no, he's punishment from god | Jan 04 19:14 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 04 19:14 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: sure, i agree that.. that's why it seems a little misguided to direct the attacks against mexican civilians | Jan 04 19:14 |
| ender2070 | his grandfather tried to take over the country | Jan 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I should declare myself the President | Jan 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | for life | Jan 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and dissolve Congress | Jan 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | call it a cost-cutting measure | Jan 04 19:16 |
| ender2070 | dictator for life? | Jan 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | no, President! | Jan 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | dictaros always call themselves President | Jan 04 19:16 |
| ender2070 | thats all stuff a dictator would do | Jan 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | makes it sound less totalitarian | Jan 04 19:16 |
| ender2070 | but it is totalitarian | Jan 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | crack open the Nuclear Football | Jan 04 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | take out Pyongyang and Tehran | Jan 04 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 04 19:17 |
| ender2070 | leave iran alone | Jan 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | tell Russia and China to back off unless they want the other 2,000 | Jan 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt their nuclear deterrent would be used unless there was actually an attack on their soil | Jan 04 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC | they bluff all the same | Jan 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | just like I doubt that our policy on Israel is real | Jan 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | especially with Obama in office | Jan 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | the US government has been shutting out Taiwan more and more too | Jan 04 19:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | woah | Jan 04 19:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | morons.org | Jan 04 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I did giggle when the PRC/Chinese President got introduced as the "President of the Republic of China" at a state dinner with Bush | Jan 04 19:22 |
| MinceR | did the president of PRC giggle too? :> | Jan 04 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it | Jan 04 19:24 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if Netscape 4 still installs on Windows 7 | Jan 04 19:27 | |
| DaemonFC | heh, installer fails | Jan 04 19:29 |
| ender2070 | why don't you try ICQ 98 | Jan 04 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | *shrug* | Jan 04 19:29 |
| amarsh04 | current Seamonkey releases won't run on W95 now... a build from a few months ago works fine though | Jan 04 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: Cairo is the problem | Jan 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | works better on Windows NT but totally incompatible with 9x/Me | Jan 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can build Firefox or Seamonkey yourself to run on Windows 9x/Me by using GDI instead of Cairo | Jan 04 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | it'll still work that way | Jan 04 19:33 |
| amarsh04 | ah, ok | Jan 04 19:33 |
| rnb | i cant believe those blackwater mercenaries got off on a technicality | Jan 04 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | Opera still works too | Jan 04 19:33 |
| rnb | for all the complaining that LEOs do about legal technicalities helping criminals, they sure help themselves when possible | Jan 04 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04: I still have a Windows 95 system | Jan 04 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | you also have to build XChat yourself or it won't work | Jan 04 19:34 |
| amarsh04 | yes, I think you mentioned that a few times in the past | Jan 04 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | and VLC :P | Jan 04 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | As much compiling as you'll do to keep a Windows 9x system running, you might as well just settle with FreeBSD and Ports | Jan 04 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 04 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | it takes so long to compile Firefox, especially on a system that old, that you'll be waiting maybe 2-3 days for it to build | Jan 04 19:36 |
| amarsh04 | well, GNU/Linux runs on the same hardware, just boots from a different disk | Jan 04 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Compiling Firefox with gcc makes you curse even with reasonable hardware | Jan 04 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | It took my Core 2 Duo several hours | Jan 04 19:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Spanish Presidency spends 12 million EURs (!!!) for an insecure website that does not work when I write this: http://i5.be/aeJ | Jan 04 19:37 | |
| DaemonFC | it could compile a Linux kernel in about 1 1/2 hours | Jan 04 19:37 |
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| DaemonFC | this Phenom II X4 3 Ghz can compile a kernel in about 40 minutes | Jan 04 19:38 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Fox News reports US Marshal shot in Las Vegas Federal Building, clearly this is a #Republican plot http://ur1.ca/j12w | Jan 04 19:38 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Egypt archaeologists discover huge tomb near Cairo http://ur1.ca/j130 #science | Jan 04 19:38 | |
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| amarsh04 | I compiled gcc on a sparcstation 10 once (2 * 50 MHz cpus, forget the RAM) | Jan 04 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | including the time to make DEB or RPM packages | Jan 04 19:38 |
| amarsh04 | my amd64 dual core machine can compile a stock Debian kernel in about 30 minutes | Jan 04 19:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: yeah thats about right | Jan 04 19:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | gcc speed is a function of memory bandwidth | Jan 04 19:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | my c2d e8500 + ddr2-1066 does it in about a half hour | Jan 04 19:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | so something with that or ddr3-1333 is gonna be about the same speed | Jan 04 19:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | quad core wont have much of an edge here either | Jan 04 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | mines a Socket AM2+ with DDR2 1066 | Jan 04 19:40 |
| amarsh04 | I set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=32 ie not enough to cause swapping, but to use most of the available RAM | Jan 04 19:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: dude | Jan 04 19:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I got make-kpkg to do -j | Jan 04 19:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I had a load of almost 2000 at peak, and I almost ran out of memory (I have 8 gigs) | Jan 04 19:41 |
| amarsh04 | I break make-kpkg enough as it is... compiling my i386 kernels on the AMD64 | Jan 04 19:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and since I run BFS with X as sched_iso, my machine kept running fine | Jan 04 19:41 |
| amarsh04 | -j without numbers... hehehe... | Jan 04 19:41 |
| *Diablo-D3 <3s bfs | Jan 04 19:41 | |
| amarsh04 | 4GiB RAM on the AMD64 here | Jan 04 19:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | CFS would have shit itself at around a load of 4. | Jan 04 19:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Stephen Fry Quits Internet To Write Second Autobiography" http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017419992 Luddite or ego? | Jan 04 19:58 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Stephen Fry Quits Internet To Write Second Autobiography | AHN .::. Size~: 17.83 KB | Jan 04 19:58 |
| _Goblin | hasn't Mr Fry threatened to quit the internet before? | Jan 04 20:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz Per my story, he quit everything else as well so he could concentrate - but Twitter gets the headline. | Jan 04 20:09 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_forgot_Poland#.22You_forgot_Poland.22 | Jan 04 20:10 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 04 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:You_forgot_poland.ogg | Jan 04 20:13 |
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| trmanco | Qt: 4.5.2 | Jan 04 20:20 |
| trmanco | KDE: 4.3.4 (KDE 4.3.4) | Jan 04 20:20 |
| trmanco | kde4-config: 1.0 | Jan 04 20:20 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 04 20:20 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/04/2784829.htm?section=world | Jan 04 20:20 |
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| amarsh04 | local radio had an interview with the protester mentioned above... | Jan 04 20:21 |
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| DaemonFC | XBOX 360 controller makes a good NES controller | Jan 04 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 04 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://windowserroe6.ytmnd.com/ | Jan 04 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Jan 04 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://windows386.ytmnd.com/ | Jan 04 20:29 |
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| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - this pc might be easy enough for you | Jan 04 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA | Jan 04 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://maddad.ytmnd.com/ | Jan 04 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: http://xpxplol.ytmnd.com/ | Jan 04 20:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Airport security scanners appear to be child porn generators. Whoops! http://is.gd/5Mbqe | Jan 04 20:38 | |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx0c7jXbA_E | Jan 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Do they have this on the Wii store? | Jan 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | one of my favorites on the NES | Jan 04 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | I thin I still have the dungeon maps | Jan 04 20:40 |
| Ender2070 | i think so | Jan 04 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | the ROM is jsut not doable in the NES emulator with the XBOX 360 controller | Jan 04 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567043/man-admits-largest-credit-card-hack-history | Jan 04 20:44 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: http://www.gmanews.tv/story/180717/ndcc-website-defaced-3rd-attack-on-govt-site-since-dec | Jan 04 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: their site runs FOSS though | Jan 04 20:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Spanish Presidency spends 12 million EURs (!!!) for an insecure website that does not work when I write this: http://i5.be/aeJ | Jan 04 20:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | playing Super Mario Bros :P | Jan 04 21:01 |
| _Goblin | 8 or 16bit? | Jan 04 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | 8 bit | Jan 04 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | NES | Jan 04 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | on Windows 7 x64 :P | Jan 04 21:01 |
| _Goblin | ah | Jan 04 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | may still play it on this 128-bit Windows 8 I keep hearing about | Jan 04 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 04 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | on my eight core 20 Ghz Microsoft-Intel super processor even | Jan 04 21:02 |
| _Goblin | Im sure it will "be better next time" | Jan 04 21:03 |
| Ender2070 | wont be enough | Jan 04 21:03 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, Fry says many things | Jan 04 21:03 |
| Ender2070 | you need that just to boot up | Jan 04 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I think that Allen said the same twice... and Beranger about Linux | Jan 04 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | 'killing ducks with fireballs ftw | Jan 04 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1582/12167435.png | Jan 04 21:10 |
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| Ender2070 | printf("Noob"); | Jan 04 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8653314956219412723#docid=7278879752701303620 | Jan 04 21:14 |
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| DaemonFC | Why would they fix a glitch that nobody is going to run into? | Jan 04 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | While daemonfc = noob { ++annoyance }; | Jan 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: While people like you say rtfm even if the solution is not in the fm part | Jan 04 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 04 21:21 |
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| Murloc | Hey People :D | Jan 04 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | Murlocs on a Plane? | Jan 04 21:22 |
| Murloc | Hah nice one :p | Jan 04 21:22 |
| Murloc | Anyway does anyone know other way to make application platform independent except the mono? | Jan 04 21:23 |
| Murloc | of* | Jan 04 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | Qt | Jan 04 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | C, C++ | Jan 04 21:23 |
| amarsh04 | python with qt | Jan 04 21:23 |
| Murloc | Basically it's FOSS downloader | Jan 04 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | Java | Jan 04 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | eww | Jan 04 21:24 |
| Murloc | ueah i was thinking about python | Jan 04 21:24 |
| Murloc | yeah* | Jan 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Java is an OS on top of the OS | Jan 04 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | Shut up and eat your donut | Jan 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | WFC was one of the reasons the MSJVM ran so fast | Jan 04 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | Your just mad because Java ate your baby | Jan 04 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Java has never has any program that didn't use at least twice the resources it should have for what it did | Jan 04 21:25 |
| Murloc | Java is, no offence, power hungry | Jan 04 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | your consume twice the resources you should have for what you do | Jan 04 21:26 |
| Murloc | be it on linux or on windows | Jan 04 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | gcj eats your baby | Jan 04 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Murloc | Jan 04 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see someone rewrite Firefox in JAVA | Jan 04 21:27 |
| Ender2070 | it would probably run better | Jan 04 21:27 |
| schestowitz | [21:24] <DaemonFC> Java is an OS on top of the OS | Jan 04 21:27 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jan 04 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's new minimum requirements would quadruple | Jan 04 21:27 |
| Ender2070 | less memory leaks | Jan 04 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Java applets don't even look like a native program | Jan 04 21:28 |
| schestowitz | It's like the BBC describing transistors as many tiny computers | Jan 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | the best I've seen them do is come "close" | Jan 04 21:28 |
| MinceR | applets are embedded in web pages. why do you want them to look like native programs? :> | Jan 04 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | widgets are wrong, colors are off from the surrounding browser | Jan 04 21:29 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC, stop being Kim Jong-il | Jan 04 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | they look ugly | Jan 04 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Stop it. You might hurt their feelings. | Jan 04 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Fonts have faces too, you know | Jan 04 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | even full blown programs like Azureus look ugly, even when they're being ran by a user with GNOME with the Human theme, they are ugly | Jan 04 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | well, Banshee and F-Spot do blend into your desktop at least | Jan 04 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | its making your torrents go faster | Jan 04 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | Monotorrent :P | Jan 04 21:31 |
| Ender2070 | thats an abomination | Jan 04 21:31 |
| MinceR | there are GTK+ and Qt bindings for java, even if programmers tend to not use them | Jan 04 21:31 |
| Ender2070 | You know who uses Mono? | Jan 04 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | THE DEVIL | Jan 04 21:32 |
| MinceR | worse | Jan 04 21:32 |
| MinceR | m$! | Jan 04 21:32 |
| MinceR | and hitler | Jan 04 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | The Evil M Dollarsign | Jan 04 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | Godwins law | Jan 04 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | [16:24] <MinceR> and hitler | Jan 04 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | you lost | Jan 04 21:32 |
| MinceR | you just lost the game | Jan 04 21:33 |
| Ender2070 | you can't mention hitler and expect to win an arguement | Jan 04 21:33 |
| *MinceR yawns. | Jan 04 21:33 | |
| Ender2070 | that would be what hitler would do | Jan 04 21:34 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I | Jan 04 21:35 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Computer method 'spots art fakes' - I love the pro-word-smiths at the BBC, a "computer method" http://tinyurl.com/yzfryl7 | Jan 04 23:09 | |
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| yuhong | The FSF has complained about this for years, and now there is an article on Ars about it. | Jan 04 23:10 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/a-look-at-apples-love-for-drm-and-consumer-lock-ins.ars | Jan 04 23:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A look at Apple's love for DRM and consumer lock-ins .::. Size~: 40.24 KB | Jan 04 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Jan 04 23:10 |
| schestowitz | I just posted about this in BN | Jan 04 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It's not really news though | Jan 04 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Just ARS have the Arse to write about it. | Jan 04 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Never trust a software company that's close to Hollywood studios (like Apple) | Jan 04 23:11 |
| yuhong | Espicially relating to DRM, of course. | Jan 04 23:12 |
| yuhong | Oh, yes you already linked to it, good. | Jan 04 23:12 |
| yuhong | Espicially with things relating to DRM, of course. | Jan 04 23:12 |
| yuhong | I mean. | Jan 04 23:13 |
| yuhong | "Those walls have largely been broken down when it comes to selling some forms of media (namely music), but Apple isn't exactly anti-DRM in any other sense.“ | Jan 04 23:13 |
| yuhong | Yea, I said before that DRM-free only applies to music only. | Jan 04 23:13 |
| yuhong | "The most obvious is the fact that the company uses DRM to guarantee that iPods and iPhones can't be used with any other software besides iTunes." | Jan 04 23:13 |
| schestowitz | DRM is good for Apple | Jan 04 23:14 |
| yuhong | Can that really be classed as "DRM"? | Jan 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Tied with the big billionaires who move government and also lockin for Applers | Jan 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz | They say, "one you use Apple... blah blah... you never go back..." | Jan 04 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Well, yeah... lockin and crappy DRM tends to do that | Jan 04 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Apple does not block Linux programs from syncing stuff onto most ipods and other devices. | Jan 04 23:14 |
| oiaohm | But they do make it hard to use itunes. | Jan 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, once you put your head in the oven you never become a model | Jan 04 23:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they do actually | Jan 04 23:15 |
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| yuhong | But some said that DRM-free movies are unlikely anyway when I was arguing about Blu-Ray DRM on IRC. | Jan 04 23:15 |
| oiaohm | People forget in the early days of itunes amarok could buy music on itunes. | Jan 04 23:15 |
| oiaohm | They don't block syncing stuff to it schestowitz. | Jan 04 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Its other items like doing firmware updates. | Jan 04 23:16 |
| oiaohm | The i devices are all built around the same model as ADS was for windows. | Jan 04 23:17 |
| yuhong | Google's Roseberg wrote about it recently, saying that while it is the traditional MBA business model, it breeds complacency, for one reason. | Jan 04 23:18 |
| yuhong | IBM's mainframes were in fact another example of this. | Jan 04 23:19 |
| yuhong | Jonathan Rosenberg | Jan 04 23:20 |
| yuhong | Jonathan Rosenberg I mean by "Roseberg". | Jan 04 23:20 |
| yuhong | http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2009/12/meaning-of-open.html | Jan 04 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Fluff. | Jan 04 23:22 |
| oiaohm | http://marcansoft.com/blog/2009/10/iphone-syncing-on-linux/ Most people are not aware that the internal formats you have to talk to iphones with is getting more generic with each version. | Jan 04 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5543&tag=col1;post-5543 | Jan 04 23:22 |
| oiaohm | So really apple is going the other way for syncing stuff on. schestowitz | Jan 04 23:22 |
| yuhong | The rest may be, but I am talking specifically about the part where the article spoke against lock-in. | Jan 04 23:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNetbootin Used to Escape from Windows to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/j1k1 | Jan 04 23:24 | |
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| oiaohm | Lot of people don't understand Google lack of fear. | Jan 04 23:25 |
| yuhong | Particularly the paragraph under "Open systems win" specifically mention Apple as an example, and so it is relevant. | Jan 04 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Anyone who is a high level combat specialist will tell you fear will cause you to go in the wrong direction. | Jan 04 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Gives #GNU #Linux Desktop More Room Next to #Windows http://ur1.ca/j1k9 | Jan 04 23:26 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FT.com | Tech Blog | Dell gives extra latitude to instant-on concept .::. Size~: 66.33 KB | Jan 04 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Lot of business man get it wrong. Ie don't watch what your competors are providing. Make sure that you are providing you customers with what they want. | Jan 04 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Google is getting it right. | Jan 04 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Hmm do any of the comes docs show ms approcing the market as at war? schestowitz | Jan 04 23:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games Reach #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/j1km http://ur1.ca/j1kn http://ur1.ca/j1ko | Jan 04 23:29 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: how do you mean? | Jan 04 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Idea of war is to crush your competors without worring about poor end users caught in the flack. schestowitz. Its normally a waste of resources of one up man ship without any good gain. | Jan 04 23:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Web Browser/OS Rises to Dominance http://ur1.ca/j1ks http://ur1.ca/j1kt | Jan 04 23:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Makes a Top 10 for the Decade http://www.cbronline.com/comment/the_techies_of_the_noughties_040110 | Jan 04 23:34 | |
| oiaohm | Hmm nothing MS in the top 10 wonder why. Ok it suxed. | Jan 04 23:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Belated Review of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 9.10 Review - "Microsoft should be freaking out…" http://ur1.ca/j1kx | Jan 04 23:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Bangarang of #KDE SC (New Media Player) http://linuxcrunch.com/content/bangarang-new-kde-media-player | Jan 04 23:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #sidux 2009-04 Released with #KDE SC 4.3.4, Distro Diversity Defended http://ur1.ca/j1lb http://ur1.ca/j1lc | Jan 04 23:39 | |
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| yuhong | For another example of the effects of lock-in due to DRM, here it is: | Jan 04 23:43 |
| yuhong | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091230/0956377548.shtml | Jan 04 23:43 |
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| yuhong | "She noted that she would have gladly purchased a competing product "but would have lost access to the library she's spent hundreds of dollars building up." And there it is. The DRM tax at work creating serious lock-in and consumer problems." | Jan 04 23:44 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: yes, seen and posted | Jan 04 23:44 |
| yuhong | Good. | Jan 04 23:45 |
| yuhong | This time, the lock-in actually worked | Jan 04 23:45 |
| yuhong | The FSF called the Kindle the "Swindle" exactly because of the problems of DRM. | Jan 04 23:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-£125 ARM Sub-notebooks to Comes from #Freescale http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/04/freescale_mid_design/ (Linux Only) | Jan 04 23:53 | |
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| cubezzz | yes the lock-ins work most of the time, unless you are very determined | Jan 04 23:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pineview and #GNU #Linux in Foresight http://www.linuxtech.net/features/intel_atom_pineview_motherboards_overview.html | Jan 04 23:54 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android (Linux) Does Exceptionally Well http://www.huffingtonpost.com/krishna-subramanian/mobile-game-changers-what_b_410027.html | Jan 04 23:56 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Krishna Subramanian: Mobile Game-Changers: What to Keep Your Eye on in 2010 .::. Size~: 100.42 KB | Jan 04 23:56 |
| MinceR | http://abstrusegoose.com/229 | Jan 04 23:57 |
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| cubezzz | I wouldn't run out an buy a sony ereader though | Jan 04 23:59 |
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