| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Maldives Open Source Society release first PDF issue of 'MOSS Magazine'. http://bit.ly/6u4g7K Good effort for issue one #fb | Jan 08 00:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MOSS Monthly - MOSS, Maldivess Open Source Society .::. Size~: 4.84 KB | Jan 08 00:00 |
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| MinceR | bad interface design | Jan 08 00:01 |
| schestowitz | I think this company is trying to sell a girl: http://www.pcworld.com/article/186035/ces_easily_access_your_files_remotely_with_myditto.html | Jan 08 00:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CES: Easily Access Your Files Remotely With myDitto - PC World .::. Size~: 74.4 KB | Jan 08 00:02 |
| schestowitz | With some useless plastic in her hand to fix all your computer ills :-) | Jan 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | This is junk marketing.... magic pill for PCs | Jan 08 00:03 |
| MinceR | looks like a glorified usb token | Jan 08 00:03 |
| dyfet | I think someone has to rethink that one, schestowitz ;) | Jan 08 00:03 |
| schestowitz | The adverts of the product? | Jan 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't say whjat it runs | Jan 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Only that it also support Linux | Jan 08 00:04 |
| dyfet | Well, maybe it's not the size of the key, but how you use it... | Jan 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz | "CES Innovations Award." ..... gimma a break! | Jan 08 00:04 |
| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 INNOVA~1 INNOVA~1 INNOVA~1 | Jan 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: I wasn't thinking like that | Jan 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I meant it on a banal sense | Jan 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz | No jokes... it's some key that they market with a woman | Jan 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | actually the size of the key does matter | Jan 08 00:05 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of ow ford and nascar sell themselves | Jan 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | i've read yesterday that 1024-bit asymmetric keys should be phased out in 3-4 years | Jan 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 08 00:06 |
| dyfet | Well, on a higher note, I see HP and Microsoft have introduced the "tombstone" | Jan 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Imagine if Apple started showing Apple Macs with girls in bikinis on them? | Jan 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | i don't think anything would change | Jan 08 00:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/gates-centerfold.jpg | Jan 08 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | Ewwwwwwwwww | Jan 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | daemonfc's arm after the seizure http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6/dscf0466.jpg | Jan 08 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | dyfet: no, the tombstone just comes bundles with Vista | Jan 08 00:10 |
| schestowitz | It eases the installation process | Jan 08 00:10 |
| MinceR | you mean m$ "invented" the tablet pc _again_? :> | Jan 08 00:11 |
| dyfet | Yes, a vista 7 crunchpad... | Jan 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno | Jan 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | just wait until crApple "invents" it yet again! | Jan 08 00:11 |
| dyfet | I think "tombstone" is the right name for it :) | Jan 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Good for a codename | Jan 08 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Like LongHorn | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Tomb\Ston | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Project to bury | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Then rename | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | "Vista!" | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | The next wonderful O/S | Jan 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | tombstone makes me think of that server from the Cryptonomicon | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | To take over the world by 2007 | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | VIsta VIsta VIsta! | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Say it after me! | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Vista! | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | So catchy, so shiny... | Jan 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | there's VIIsta now | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Vista... view | Jan 08 00:12 |
| dyfet | A grave marker, in this case, for all the dead ms ripoffs of tablet pcs past | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Not Longhorn, Vista! | Jan 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | and then the 128bit VIIIsta | Jan 08 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Then they renamed to Mojave | Jan 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Ugly name | Jan 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | So they run back to "Windows" | Jan 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | To tarnish that brand with some Vista-esqueness | Jan 08 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/hardware/2255692/hp-color-laserjet-cp1215 "The only driver support is for Windows, from 2000 onward – there’s no option for Linux or, more surprisingly, for Mac computers. " | Jan 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Sean is being thick: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/01/why-nexus-one-is-bad-for-linux.html | Jan 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Even a Noveller debunks him | Jan 08 00:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/01/06/is-nexus-one-bad-for-linux/ | Jan 08 00:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Is Nexus One bad for Linux? » Dissociated Press .::. Size~: 17.17 KB | Jan 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Shame really... zonker could advocate Linux instead of lying for Novell about Moglen, the deal, etc. | Jan 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | i'll start caring about hp printers when they make a printer that can handle paper correctly | Jan 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | i'm not terribly afraid that day will ever come | Jan 08 00:15 |
| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9494440 | Jan 08 00:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Review: A Gel-Covered Computer Mouse, Just Because - ABC News .::. Size~: 69.89 KB | Jan 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | We've run out of ideas | Jan 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | It's official | Jan 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Shut down USPTO | Jan 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Sell the office to China, help pay back the debts | Jan 08 00:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | CA is already broke, WA now warned about it too | Jan 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Does the US debt still increase? | Jan 08 00:17 |
| *amarsh04 is reasonably happy with the hp officejet pro 8000 a809 | Jan 08 00:17 | |
| schestowitz | Which way is it moving? | Jan 08 00:17 |
| MinceR | btw, does that hp color laserjet cp1215 speak PostScript? | Jan 08 00:17 |
| MinceR | if it does, it should work with linux | Jan 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | And more importantly, the value of the nation falls too | Jan 08 00:17 |
| MinceR | if it doesn't, it's crap anyway | Jan 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | So the relative values differ | Jan 08 00:17 |
| dyfet | One way to slow down china's economy is to give them our patent office ;) | Jan 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | ANd the USD is at risk now that mid-eat nations want to make a Euro-like currency | Jan 08 00:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe they don't announce support officially | Jan 08 00:18 |
| dyfet | MinceR: I got a brother network laser printer recently which does postscript and has it's own lpd server built-in, very handy... | Jan 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe it has some of those 'extra' Windows features that only WIndows can reach | Jan 08 00:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Iris Robinson business deal broke law - MP = crook....not exactly news, but more of what we already knew http://tinyurl.com/yhhlry6 | Jan 08 00:18 | |
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| *amarsh04 has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Jan 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | WHat was that feature in Vista that handles a small screen on a laptop? | Jan 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | sideshow | Jan 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | also known as Now Your Laptop Screen Can Break Even With The Lid Closed!(tm) | Jan 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: are you sure wooden horses won't be more effective? | Jan 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | i've never seen a laptop in actual use with that stupid crap on it | Jan 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | (sideshow, not vista) | Jan 08 00:20 |
| dyfet | it does what I want, which is lets anything queue print jobs to it | Jan 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: earlier today I watched a video about the Korea war which claimed that the US general ordered 20-30 nukes to drop on China when it Mau helped N. Korea | Jan 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Truman opposed, which led to arguments | Jan 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | The general argued he was above official powers, kind of like Bush and Cheney after they had passed some laws to reverse | Jan 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, sideshow was not even a sidekick, it got kicked by the OEMs | Jan 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Good luck finding laptops that have this thing | Jan 08 00:21 |
| MinceR | it was a typical m$ idea | Jan 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft code monkeys did this program in vain | Jan 08 00:21 |
| dyfet | schestowitz: I had heard this before....that McArther wanted to use nukes... | Jan 08 00:21 |
| MinceR | pointless, expensive, nobody wanted it, so it died | Jan 08 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Sideshow is like putting a tap next to the bowl to feed off the toilet when in use | Jan 08 00:22 |
| dyfet | lol | Jan 08 00:22 |
| dyfet | I will remember that quote :) | Jan 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: yes, that's what I heard. He died at 84, around 1964... sounds kind of extreme... fought in ww1 | Jan 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's still in Vista7, right? | Jan 08 00:23 |
| schestowitz | But do OEMs care?? | Jan 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jan 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | the drivers are probably still there | Jan 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | and most likely nobody's making any hw for it anymore | Jan 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010725235_statebudget07m.html http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/01/washington-state-treasurer-warns-state-will-go-broke-if-lawmakers-dont-act.html | Jan 08 00:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Local News | Treasurer warns state will go broke if lawmakers don't act | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 69.34 KB | Jan 08 00:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Washington State treasurer warns state will go broke if lawmakers don't act - Microsoft Tax Dodge .::. Size~: 26.54 KB | Jan 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: more ARMs | Jan 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Some hybrids | Jan 08 00:24 |
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| oiaohm | Big thing here people don't get what is going on. | Jan 08 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Android OS by google is designed to be desktop or phone. | Jan 08 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Items Nokia are working on with QT are applications desktop or phone. | Jan 08 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Notice a little trend here. The desktop and phone market are going to merge. How in heck will windows 7 live threw this. | Jan 08 00:28 |
| MinceR | Qt is already a part of a particular Linux desktop :> | Jan 08 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Then devices like TV's are picking up the same OS's. | Jan 08 00:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I'm always telling Sophie off for misplacing her Nintendo DS. I have lost mine. Sad. :( #fb | Jan 08 00:28 | |
| oiaohm | We are moving to a world of 1 OS for everything. | Jan 08 00:28 |
| Ender2070 | We are moving to a world of oneness | Jan 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Google's Brin says Android and Chrome OS are likely to merge | Jan 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Chroms OS=Ubuntu GNU + Linux | Jan 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Android=Linux+Gblobs | Jan 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | *Chrome (with lots of stuff REMOVED) | Jan 08 00:31 |
| MinceR | i hope they'll merge in a good way | Jan 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS is a retarted (in the technical sense) version of Ubuntu | Jan 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | RO root partition | Jan 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they'll marge it in a goodle way | Jan 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | *merge | Jan 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | "Certainly Google is a good open source citizen and they contribute back to Linux and the broader open source community (so I'm not knocking them on that front, cause they're awesome there). But nexus one grows the Google Android community first and foremost and Linux only by association. It's not the bold vision of the Linux phone world that existed a few years ago, it's a Google vision." | Jan 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/01/why-nexus-one-is-bad-for-linux.html | Jan 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | karateboy has left; I hadn't noticed | Jan 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | google way == bad way | Jan 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | neither had i | Jan 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | that is, the second time | Jan 08 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Watch this photo: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-01/07/ardrone-sky-high-future-for-augmented-reality-gaming.aspx | Jan 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz | The people are looking so excited, aren't they? | Jan 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Like in Vista's launch | Jan 08 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Boy some people still don't understand. | Jan 08 00:35 |
| oiaohm | When Linux distributions started the idea was that only the strongest would live. | Jan 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz | "It's certainly a clever beast. The four-bladed "quadricopter" uses an onboard Linux-based computer to process information from its cameras, accelerometers and gyroscope to ensure level flight, while direction and speed are controlled by tilting an iPhone, iPod Touch or any other device with a camera, screen and wi-fi connectivity." | Jan 08 00:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no,multi-purpose | Jan 08 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Android is just following that tradition. Do better kill your compettion who are weaker. | Jan 08 00:36 |
| schestowitz | LiMo? | Jan 08 00:36 |
| oiaohm | LiMo has not really made that much progress. | Jan 08 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 08 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Nokia Linux based OS has made more progress than LiMo has. | Jan 08 00:36 |
| schestowitz | It's doomed, IMHO | Jan 08 00:36 |
| schestowitz | They all flock to Android | Jan 08 00:37 |
| schestowitz | You know who is driven mad by it? | Jan 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | This is the nature of Linux Distributions. | Jan 08 00:37 |
| schestowitz | ACCESS and its minions | Jan 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | nokia isn't flocking to android | Jan 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | they're making maemo, which is far superior to it | Jan 08 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is Nokia | Jan 08 00:37 |
| schestowitz | It has qt and symbian | Jan 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | and i don't feel sorry for the loss of access | Jan 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | and maemo schestowitz | Jan 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | access pays lefty, so they can't be good | Jan 08 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I got a nasty E-mail about bruce earlier | Jan 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Idea was that distributions could fork off in many different directions and one day the crunch would come destroying the weaker ones. | Jan 08 00:38 |
| oiaohm | In the phone space the crunch is here. | Jan 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | what sort of crunch? | Jan 08 00:38 |
| schestowitz | The one you get stepping on dry horses*it | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of which, this is nuclear: | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > an answer to the latest lies of the fraudulent so called “journalist” | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > Bruce Byfield: | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 00:39 |
| oiaohm | The market is only so big MinceR | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > Schlesinger is the ONLY one trying to “intimidate” others, and you do | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > your best to suppress the documented evidence of his long career of | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > harassment out of sheer partisanship. You have no objectivity, and you | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > ignore all real evidence that makes lie of your assertions. Who owns the | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > defamatory websites? SCHLESINGER does, and the whois links these sites | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > to his civil name and street address. You are a liar, not a real | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > journalist, Byfield. | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > Who harasses women like Kathy Sutphen and Sandy L. ? SCHLESINGER does. | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > Who has a hate site with nasty photoshopped images of RMS? SCHLESINGER does. | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > Who is documented to be blackmailing people with stolen sexual photographs? | Jan 08 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Once the market as filled. The best stay alive the worst die. MinceR | Jan 08 00:39 |
| schestowitz | > Why, SCHLESINGER is doing that right now. David “Lefty” Schlesinger aka ’stonemirror’. | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > Who sends out upward of 30 intimidating, menacing emails a day? SCHLESINGER does. | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > Who brags of scouring civil court dockets for information to stalk entire extended families? | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > SCHLESINGER does. | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > (guess what? I don’t do any of these things.) | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > (and you deleted the documented evidence, most of it from Schlesinger’s | Jan 08 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Linux desktop does not have enough market share to crunch yet MinceR. | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > own blogs and emails) | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | > You are a liar, Byfield, country simple. You are a liar and a fraudulent excuse for a journalist. | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't need to | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | It grows | Jan 08 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did not manage to squash it and WIndows revenue is down 40% | Jan 08 00:41 |
| schestowitz | When it goes past a certain point it's over for Windows. Even GPLing it would not rescue it | Jan 08 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Linux is growing where the developers are. | Jan 08 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Who would want a Vista kernel? | Jan 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that doesn't make sense | Jan 08 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Reactos guys schestowitz | Jan 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if the market doesn't cause a crunch when it's small, why would it cause one when it isn't? | Jan 08 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I'd better get started with some daily links. I'm also hungry. brb | Jan 08 00:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it simple while you are small being standard with others is not highly important ie you are something fringe. Once you move main stream and need to be standard with others the crunch happens. | Jan 08 00:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: distros standardize in many things while being different in others | Jan 08 00:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: this isn't windows. even in a market covered in 99% by ubuntu, other distros can stay compatible and work fine. | Jan 08 00:43 |
| oiaohm | The higher Linux market share gets. The more standardization has to happen to avoid crunch. | Jan 08 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Even 99% Ubuntu in Linux market share still does not force broader over all compadiblity. | Jan 08 00:44 |
| MinceR | even though LSB standardized RPM as the standard package format we see distros using .deb and work fine | Jan 08 00:45 |
| MinceR | and retain the possibility of installing rpms via alien. | Jan 08 00:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we are not to the point of crunch in the desktop yet. | Jan 08 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Phone market all device makers are these days shipping Linux's of some form. | Jan 08 00:46 |
| oiaohm | So the market is 100 percent covered. | Jan 08 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie the only real aquirers of the OS are covered. | Jan 08 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/whats-coming-in-lucid-alpha-2.html | Jan 08 00:47 |
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| oiaohm | Once that happens the crunch effect kicks in. Where weaker ones start dieing at a high rate. | Jan 08 00:47 |
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| oiaohm | And it becomes a true battle to stay alive between the remaining OS's. MinceR | Jan 08 00:47 |
| MinceR | the phone market isn't even close to 100% Linux, afaik | Jan 08 00:48 |
| oiaohm | We saw the crunch effect as well when windows become dominate in the desktop as businesses took up and OS. | Jan 08 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | seems alpha 2 might have a silly Facebook feature | Jan 08 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Its not sale percentage that is important MinceR | Jan 08 00:48 |
| MinceR | there's still a lot of sub-smartphone OS-es and Symbian | Jan 08 00:48 |
| MinceR | and winmob | Jan 08 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Go by makers MinceR | Jan 08 00:48 |
| oiaohm | The aquirers of the OS not the End user. | Jan 08 00:49 |
| MinceR | many makers use more than one OS | Jan 08 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Yet all the makers are using a Linux right MinceR | Jan 08 00:49 |
| MinceR | Nokia, Sony-Ericsson and HTC all do | Jan 08 00:49 |
| *schestowitz starts watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBonX-Y6iLU | Jan 08 00:49 | |
| MinceR | not sure about Motorola. | Jan 08 00:49 |
| MinceR | Palm uses more than one OS, too | Jan 08 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Motorola does make Linux based. | Jan 08 00:49 |
| MinceR | but are the low-end Motorola phones Linux-based, too? | Jan 08 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Motorola does Android now | Jan 08 00:50 |
| oiaohm | You are thinking other OS's are important to them. | Jan 08 00:50 |
| schestowitz | It used to do Linux+Java (without the Android) | Jan 08 00:50 |
| oiaohm | To make a crunch happen. | Jan 08 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Their main guy neglects WInMob and does Android now almost exclusively | Jan 08 00:50 |
| oiaohm | The key thing for a crunch is all aquirers are using it. Even if they are using other items. MinceR | Jan 08 00:50 |
| MinceR | i think the phone arena is still transforming. | Jan 08 00:50 |
| MinceR | well, not all acquirers use android. | Jan 08 00:51 |
| MinceR | Palm doesn't. Nokia doesn't. | Jan 08 00:51 |
| oiaohm | But all are using Linux right MinceR | Jan 08 00:51 |
| MinceR | yes, they are using non-android Linux. | Jan 08 00:51 |
| oiaohm | At this stage they will war for the strongest one for the market. | Jan 08 00:51 |
| MinceR | and there's crApple whose products some consider to be smartphones. | Jan 08 00:52 |
| MinceR | (some products anyway) | Jan 08 00:52 |
| MinceR | there's a lot more they're fighting over | Jan 08 00:52 |
| MinceR | phones aren't even close to determined by what OS they run. | Jan 08 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Palm and Nokia think theirs will be stronger so will fight into the crunch. Just like apple did against MS with the crunch caused by busiensses taking up computers big time. | Jan 08 00:53 |
| oiaohm | This crunch effect is not unique to Linux. | Jan 08 00:53 |
| oiaohm | While something is fringe and only by a few it never has to suffer it. | Jan 08 00:53 |
| oiaohm | People forget the disappear of the c64 amiga and others. Before the first desktop crunch. | Jan 08 00:54 |
| MinceR | hm, also samsung doesn't use android | Jan 08 00:54 |
| MinceR | they're coming up with bada | Jan 08 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Crunch does not mean the strong cannot keep on battling MinceR | Jan 08 00:55 |
| MinceR | so what does it mean? | Jan 08 00:55 |
| oiaohm | But it means the weak that don't work will disappear. | Jan 08 00:55 |
| oiaohm | And presure will keep on been applied to the weakest remaining to disappear. | Jan 08 00:55 |
| MinceR | what do you mean by "don't work"? crApple fanboys keep using hypePhones even though they're useless. | Jan 08 00:55 |
| MinceR | winmob will probably die soon | Jan 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | winmob will most likely be the first death from the crunch. | Jan 08 00:56 |
| MinceR | m$ might kill sidekick out of spite | Jan 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | But the crunch will not stop just because winmob disappears. | Jan 08 00:56 |
| oiaohm | The issue here is the the crunch in the mobile space might set of a second crunch in the desktop space. | Jan 08 00:57 |
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| MinceR | who knows, maybe m$ will build some sort of x86-based brick with intel and put vista7 on it :) | Jan 08 00:58 |
| MinceR | ...and call it a phone | Jan 08 00:58 |
| oiaohm | The crunch effects will cause Oneness. | Jan 08 00:58 |
| oiaohm | They always do. | Jan 08 00:58 |
| MinceR | examples? | Jan 08 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Remember before the desktop crunch. There were many different cpu types in use. | Jan 08 00:59 |
| MinceR | and there still are | Jan 08 00:59 |
| oiaohm | After took a few years for apple to fail but x86 type was all that is mostly left. | Jan 08 00:59 |
| MinceR | while PowerPC seems to be dead now, ARM is making a comeback. | Jan 08 00:59 |
| MinceR | remember that ARM started out on desktop computers. | Jan 08 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Arm got forced out of desktop. | Jan 08 01:00 |
| MinceR | now it's coming back. | Jan 08 01:00 |
| oiaohm | And is now using the mobile phone crunch to have OS's to push back with. | Jan 08 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Basically expect to see a battle between x86 and arm to break out sometime in future for the desktop once Arm has enough numbers. | Jan 08 01:01 |
| MinceR | ARM coming back to the desktop might give other architectures a chance too. | Jan 08 01:01 |
| MinceR | since if you have to support 2 architectures, you might as well support more. | Jan 08 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Most likely not. | Jan 08 01:01 |
| MinceR | maybe those who own PPC will get on board. :> | Jan 08 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Most likely arm will destroy x86 and something better will have to come up. | Jan 08 01:02 |
| MinceR | still, there will be a time when you'll have to somehow run the same apps on both x86 and ARM. | Jan 08 01:02 |
| MinceR | android does it via its java-like VM. | Jan 08 01:02 |
| MinceR | that can run on other architectures, too. | Jan 08 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Pre crunchs you get a lot of deversity. | Jan 08 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Post very little deversity. | Jan 08 01:03 |
| MinceR | but the "crunch" has already happened | Jan 08 01:03 |
| MinceR | hm, also MIPS is coming up | Jan 08 01:03 |
| oiaohm | crunchs are repeating events. | Jan 08 01:03 |
| MinceR | if only by a little. | Jan 08 01:03 |
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| oiaohm | Just like forking out is repeating events. | Jan 08 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Each only lasts so long. | Jan 08 01:03 |
| MinceR | so what's there to be afraid of? | Jan 08 01:04 |
| oiaohm | After a crunch the companies that were dominate before are normally not. | Jan 08 01:04 |
| oiaohm | So unless you are one of those companies nothing to worry about. | Jan 08 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Like apple was fairly dominate in desktop space before the desktop crunch. After they were a company playing on the edge. | Jan 08 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Also the most cost effective normally win crunches as well. | Jan 08 01:06 |
| Yfrwlf | I just have to say that Linux desktop marketshare is so underestimated. Have met three random strangers lately in completely non-geek-oriented places who had used Ubuntu =P Just had to get that off my chest, now I feel better. ^^ | Jan 08 01:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 08 01:07 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: which country? | Jan 08 01:07 |
| Yfrwlf | USA, the one most underestimated, hehe | Jan 08 01:07 |
| oiaohm | So this time around the ones to worry about. Are nokia, MS, Intel and AMD. MinceR | Jan 08 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Same with friends of mine who are not-techique | Jan 08 01:07 |
| schestowitz | *techies | Jan 08 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Here he is explaining US torture; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TumGOngF4ZY&NR=1 | Jan 08 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Nokia most likely will never have as much market domimation ever again. MinceR. MS really has nothing in there list that is the most cost effective. Intel and AMD have decated most of there research to x86 neglecting everything else. | Jan 08 01:09 |
| MinceR | i still think that intel selling xscale was an incredibly stupid idea. :) | Jan 08 01:10 |
| Yfrwlf | well at least Nokia is full-throttle Linux now pretty much | Jan 08 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is aware of there impending doom. And are trying to do something about it. | Jan 08 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Does not mean they will be able to. | Jan 08 01:10 |
| Yfrwlf | bought a N900, am biased =P | Jan 08 01:10 |
| MinceR | nokia seems to be keeping multiple irons in the fire :) | Jan 08 01:11 |
| MinceR | it's sad that the N900 doesn't support any of their headset adapters | Jan 08 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes its multi irons is what you call splitting you bet MinceR. | Jan 08 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Best chance of living that way. If any one of your items are good you get to live on. | Jan 08 01:12 |
| Yfrwlf | MinceR: Their bluetooth ones? Yeah it does, I bought the highest end one and it works fine | Jan 08 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is also using QT to interlink there bets so any of there bets to lose they don't lose competely. | Jan 08 01:13 |
| Yfrwlf | Otherwise they shouldn't put it down as working with the N900 ^^ | Jan 08 01:13 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: no, the wired ones | Jan 08 01:13 |
| Yfrwlf | I'm pretty sure it's just a standard bluetooth device, though I haven't tried it on anything else | Jan 08 01:13 |
| MinceR | their bluetooth headsets offer no security at all | Jan 08 01:14 |
| Yfrwlf | oh OK, and I don't know anything about BT security, this is the first BT device I've ever owned | Jan 08 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Heck some of the bluetooth ones I can have person hang up and redial another number of my choosing. | Jan 08 01:14 |
| Yfrwlf | all I know is it's weird how the security code or whatnot is always 0000 or 1234 on all BT devices apparently | Jan 08 01:14 |
| oiaohm | The secuirty code of BT devices are setable. | Jan 08 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't know how to set it. | Jan 08 01:15 |
| Yfrwlf | apparently through software, since this thing only has three buttons | Jan 08 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is another sporting thing to do to people while walking around a mall with a laptop. | Jan 08 01:16 |
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| MinceR | official nokia docs say the BT code is 0000 and that's it. iirc. | Jan 08 01:16 |
| MinceR | and they don't support Secure Simple Pairing | Jan 08 01:16 |
| MinceR | even though the N900 can do BT 2.1 | Jan 08 01:16 |
| MinceR | of course some issues remain even with a wired headset, knowing how secure GSM is. | Jan 08 01:17 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe you can force the phone over to UMTS when it matters. :) | Jan 08 01:17 |
| Yfrwlf | since it's mostly open, I'm sure there's a way (or could install a completely free community distro of course like Mur) | Jan 08 01:18 |
| oiaohm | This is the other thing think back many years. | Jan 08 01:20 |
| oiaohm | The idea of a phone that you could place your own OS on was a pipe dream. | Jan 08 01:20 |
| MinceR | it mostly still is | Jan 08 01:20 |
| MinceR | there's the FreeRunner but it can't do UMTS. | Jan 08 01:20 |
| oiaohm | The google nexus is another. | Jan 08 01:20 |
| Yfrwlf | yeah the cell phone industry is reeeeeally hating the future of open phones and would like to not see it happen of course, they want their ringtone and wallpaper micro transactions =P | Jan 08 01:21 |
| MinceR | aren't android phones tivoized? | Jan 08 01:21 |
| MinceR | except for the "dev phone" which is difficult to get and you must hand your phone number over to google for it? | Jan 08 01:21 |
| oiaohm | The nexus if you by it out right you can unlock the bootloader and install what ever you like. | Jan 08 01:21 |
| MinceR | also, which isn't guaranteed to be usable as a phone? | Jan 08 01:21 |
| MinceR | well, some of them you can root if you're lucky | Jan 08 01:22 |
| Yfrwlf | but I bought an unlimited inet plan, and have VoIP, so they can suck it ^^ | Jan 08 01:22 |
| MinceR | and then you lose warranty | Jan 08 01:22 |
| oiaohm | This is a google approved unlocking tool MinceR | Jan 08 01:22 |
| MinceR | not my idea of an "open phone" | Jan 08 01:22 |
| oiaohm | No lose of warranty | Jan 08 01:22 |
| MinceR | so what's the catch this time? | Jan 08 01:22 |
| oiaohm | But google reserves the right to restore to factor in case of repair. | Jan 08 01:22 |
| oiaohm | That is about the only catch. MinceR | Jan 08 01:22 |
| MinceR | i see. | Jan 08 01:23 |
| MinceR | pity it doesn't have a keyboard. | Jan 08 01:23 |
| Yfrwlf | well that's not too bad and is somewhat understandable | Jan 08 01:23 |
| Yfrwlf | for if they can't figure it out, that is | Jan 08 01:23 |
| Yfrwlf | but of course they'll probably be stupid and go OMG I NEED TO FLASH IT for something like a bad battery. =P | Jan 08 01:24 |
| MinceR | and the nexus one is the only android phone with a google-approved unlocking tool? | Jan 08 01:24 |
| oiaohm | At this stage its a google phone MinceR | Jan 08 01:24 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't mind it too much if they reflashed it. after all the result is the same as having to replace the phone. :> | Jan 08 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Google cannot give approval for other makers. | Jan 08 01:24 |
| MinceR | one's got to backup regularly. | Jan 08 01:24 |
| oiaohm | We will most likely see more approved phones. | Jan 08 01:25 |
| Yfrwlf | just give me WiMax/4G in an open device though, then I'll be happy | Jan 08 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the regulator things have been got around by embeding that stuff in a independant controller to the main OS. | Jan 08 01:26 |
| Yfrwlf | I had a Clearwire rep tell me "3G is for voice, 4G is for inet" =P | Jan 08 01:26 |
| oiaohm | This year MinceR could be the year of the Open Phones. | Jan 08 01:27 |
| Yfrwlf | which is mostly true, sadly, but things are opening up more with 3G, but the cell industry is very stingy with it still, however 4G is starting out much more open. | Jan 08 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Cell industry are not taken nicely to the old protocals being cracked either. | Jan 08 01:28 |
| Yfrwlf | Sorry, that's just in the U.S., things suck over here... | Jan 08 01:28 |
| Yfrwlf | everyplace else has it a billion times better ^^ | Jan 08 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Part of the problem is that phones without plans every where are not sold at real price to make them. | Jan 08 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Instead at least quaded. | Jan 08 01:28 |
| MinceR | who inflates those prices? | Jan 08 01:29 |
| Yfrwlf | their prices are quadrupled? that sucks | Jan 08 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Mixture. | Jan 08 01:29 |
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| oiaohm | How would you sell a phone on an explensive plan if the phone was cheep. | Jan 08 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Google nexus is one of the first phones selling ok still over doubled but closer to the real price to make it. | Jan 08 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie iphone wantted at least 1000 USD for a device that should have been on self for about 500 USD. | Jan 08 01:31 |
| Yfrwlf | it sucks that OpenMoko ran out of steam to make the 2nd generation phone, I find it strange due to it's open nature why you'd need to can a future phone idea | Jan 08 01:31 |
| oiaohm | OpenMoko run into regulartor problems. | Jan 08 01:32 |
| MinceR | 022926 < oiaohm> How would you sell a phone on an explensive plan if the phone was cheep. | Jan 08 01:32 |
| MinceR | i'd let that be the telco's problem. | Jan 08 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Note telcos own most stores that sell phones MinceR | Jan 08 01:32 |
| MinceR | not here. | Jan 08 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Or at least can control what stores can get plans from them. | Jan 08 01:33 |
| MinceR | there are lots of small mobile phone shops and they're also sold in major electronic shops. | Jan 08 01:33 |
| oiaohm | And how much profit they can make from the plans. | Jan 08 01:33 |
| oiaohm | So destroying anyone in way. | Jan 08 01:33 |
| MinceR | at least the latter is always unlocked. | Jan 08 01:33 |
| MinceR | also some computer shops sell phones | Jan 08 01:34 |
| oiaohm | OpenMoko tried being too open Yfrwlf | Jan 08 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is such a thing. | Jan 08 01:34 |
| MinceR | there's no such thing as 'too open' | Jan 08 01:34 |
| MinceR | only regulators being 'too fascistic' | Jan 08 01:34 |
| MinceR | what was their problem with OpenMoko? | Jan 08 01:34 |
| oiaohm | When you want regulators to approve storage of encryption keys there is a little to how open they will tollerate. | Jan 08 01:35 |
| MinceR | that's what the SIM is for. | Jan 08 01:35 |
| oiaohm | The phone has a key it uses ontop of SIM. | Jan 08 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Reason why you can still call emerncey with a lot of phones even if the phone is SIM less. | Jan 08 01:35 |
| MinceR | IMEI? | Jan 08 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Also the key is handset id. | Jan 08 01:36 |
| oiaohm | That can be used to track the handset itself. | Jan 08 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Even if the sim is changed. | Jan 08 01:36 |
| MinceR | no phones are tamperproof so it can be changed anyway | Jan 08 01:36 |
| MinceR | it regularly is on non-open phones | Jan 08 01:37 |
| Yfrwlf | yep, it should be as open as a normal computer | Jan 08 01:37 |
| MinceR | when they're stolen | Jan 08 01:37 |
| MinceR | and it can be retrieved on any phone | Jan 08 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Google got around the regulator worries by putting that code in a chip. | Jan 08 01:37 |
| MinceR | so i still don't see what the problem was | Jan 08 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Same as a 3g dongle you plug into a computer. | Jan 08 01:37 |
| MinceR | perhaps the regulators were bribed by the telcos. | Jan 08 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically everything could have been got around with OpenMoko if they could accept there would be one little bit that is not open. | Jan 08 01:38 |
| Yfrwlf | well I want to see them get rid of SIMs any way, you should only need your authentication information and maybe a MAC and other stuff for extra security like with normal inet, then you should be able to connect | Jan 08 01:38 |
| MinceR | besides, the IMEI was stored in a chip. a memory chip. :> | Jan 08 01:38 |
| MinceR | i don't mind having SIMs, it's an extra authentication factor. | Jan 08 01:39 |
| oiaohm | The encryption code as well is not allowed to be replacable or messable with. MinceR | Jan 08 01:39 |
| MinceR | though it would be nice to login from different devices without needing to move the SIM | Jan 08 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Since that could kinda make a mess of the network. | Jan 08 01:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet it's replacable on all phones. | Jan 08 01:39 |
| Yfrwlf | sure, but that means you have to move a dongle around, and I hate dongles just as much. I'd rather be able to log in from any device I choose without moving a piece of hardware around. | Jan 08 01:39 |
| MinceR | that's what phone thieves do. | Jan 08 01:39 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning replacable by user created code MinceR | Jan 08 01:40 |
| Yfrwlf | MinceR: jinx ^^ | Jan 08 01:40 |
| MinceR | Yfrwlf: :) | Jan 08 01:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what do you mean? | Jan 08 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie by mistake MinceR | Jan 08 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Attacker has to have to go intentionally out way. That is what regulators want. | Jan 08 01:40 |
| MinceR | trying to protect me from my mistakes is the last thing i want those regulators to do | Jan 08 01:40 |
| MinceR | they should mind their own damn business. | Jan 08 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Being in its own chip with independant flash to everything else. | Jan 08 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Makes regulators happy. | Jan 08 01:41 |
| oiaohm | ie general flashing by something user created should not send phone network south that way. | Jan 08 01:41 |
| MinceR | one can send the phone network south anyway | Jan 08 01:42 |
| MinceR | even without a phone | Jan 08 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Jan 08 01:42 |
| oiaohm | But you don't need more people doing it and getting before the court and claiming the opps defence. | Jan 08 01:42 |
| Yfrwlf | it's simple, it *could* be as open or "secure" as computers i.e. laptops are now days. Both can still connect to the Internet. | Jan 08 01:42 |
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| Yfrwlf | Only if you want that extra security should you get it. | Jan 08 01:43 |
| oiaohm | The independant module is even used inside lot of netbooks and smartbooks. | Jan 08 01:43 |
| Yfrwlf | But you should NOT be required to have it to get online. | Jan 08 01:43 |
| oiaohm | So even if they have 3g support they are argueing with regulators. | Jan 08 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically small section of closed source with open documented interfaces everyone is as happy as they are going to be. | Jan 08 01:44 |
| Yfrwlf | The real reason is control by the cell phone industry. | Jan 08 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jan 08 01:44 |
| MinceR | what does that module contain anyway? | Jan 08 01:45 |
| oiaohm | anything that is radio is fairly simple to stuff up. | Jan 08 01:45 |
| MinceR | besides flash storing the IMEI | Jan 08 01:45 |
| oiaohm | The encryption processing as well MinceR | Jan 08 01:45 |
| oiaohm | its not like the main OS really has to know about it. | Jan 08 01:45 |
| MinceR | so also a coprocessor? | Jan 08 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jan 08 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Adds a little to costs. | Jan 08 01:46 |
| MinceR | wouldn't that eat more power than letting an ARM core do that too? | Jan 08 01:46 |
| MinceR | and it would certainly make the phone heavier | Jan 08 01:46 |
| oiaohm | It is a embed arm. | Jan 08 01:46 |
| oiaohm | In most of them. | Jan 08 01:46 |
| MinceR | i meant the main core | Jan 08 01:47 |
| oiaohm | So power difference is not much. | Jan 08 01:47 |
| MinceR | there's no real technical need for another as long as the Linux kernel running on it has the necessary RT capabilities. | Jan 08 01:47 |
| oiaohm | It also prevents the main cores having to worry about noise and other things waking them up. | Jan 08 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Even with RT is better to decated RT to a core to make sure it happens. | Jan 08 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Technical need is were openmoko dug themselves into hole. | Jan 08 01:48 |
| Yfrwlf | Now I have to decide between a Diamondcard and Skype VoIP account, since Gizmo5 is frozen until Google hurries up and implements their new services. | Jan 08 01:48 |
| oiaohm | You have regulator need and Technical need both have to match. | Jan 08 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Techically you could save a little bit of power and put it all in the one chip. Then you have to approve every single image you put into core or at least a closed source hypervisor to hold them apart. | Jan 08 01:49 |
| oiaohm | What ends up power worse than having a small chip on the side just do the task. | Jan 08 01:50 |
| Yfrwlf | Screw it, I'll do Diamondcard, is a true SIP standard. =P | Jan 08 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically you have to decide how much you want the regulator looking at MinceR. Side chip means that is all the regulator has to look at what else you do is your business. | Jan 08 01:51 |
| MinceR | i'd like all that kernel code to be GPL. :> | Jan 08 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Now you are not going to get 100 percent here. MinceR | Jan 08 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Is not 99 percent of the device open and 1 percent closed bettter than 100 percent closed. | Jan 08 01:52 |
| Yfrwlf | sure it is | Jan 08 01:52 |
| MinceR | i know. the authorities and the companies holding the standards in their hand don't respect my freedom. | Jan 08 01:52 |
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| bombakid | hey all | Jan 08 01:53 |
| bombakid | good evening | Jan 08 01:53 |
| Yfrwlf | you can have security and openness tho :P | Jan 08 01:53 |
| Yfrwlf | somehow!!!!! | Jan 08 01:53 |
| Yfrwlf | hehe | Jan 08 01:53 |
| Yfrwlf | there's lots of examples of security and openness =P | Jan 08 01:53 |
| bombakid | openfiler vs. freenas which one do you think is easier to work with? | Jan 08 01:54 |
| Yfrwlf | I'm sure you could come up with a good system | Jan 08 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Yfrwlf: simple point here. Until someone does we are stuck with what works and the regulators have control of. Like you can use Wifi to voip you mobile phone when you are at home base. Without towers that is not going to work out side. | Jan 08 01:55 |
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| Yfrwlf | that's why I have 3G | Jan 08 01:56 |
| Yfrwlf | and eventually 4G when a device integrates it, or I'll be using a 4G dongle, just not as nice looking =P | Jan 08 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Really the radio part as a dongle done on a standard port inside phones would be nice to reduce ewaste. | Jan 08 01:58 |
| Yfrwlf | wifi isn't an open for truely mobile devices AFAIK, it just doesn't reach far enough | Jan 08 01:58 |
| oiaohm | wifi can reach far enough. | Jan 08 01:58 |
| oiaohm | But its broad cast strenth limits get you. | Jan 08 01:58 |
| Yfrwlf | well same difference =P | Jan 08 01:58 |
| Yfrwlf | it's not really plausable here in the U.S. AFAIK, due to big distances | Jan 08 01:59 |
| Yfrwlf | so apparently WiMax/4G is going to be the big mobile inet thing | Jan 08 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Longest wifi link was max that could be done due to curve of earth. | Jan 08 01:59 |
| oiaohm | What was over 75 kms. | Jan 08 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Its nothing more than a broad cast strenth limitation on the transmission. | Jan 08 02:00 |
| Yfrwlf | did you mean power consumption, when you said broadcast strength? | Jan 08 02:00 |
| oiaohm | How many db you are permited to broadcast at. | Jan 08 02:01 |
| oiaohm | That limits range. | Jan 08 02:01 |
| Yfrwlf | Why would they be pushing 4G if Wifi could do it? | Jan 08 02:01 |
| Yfrwlf | Is the point I'm getting at... | Jan 08 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Another lot of devices to sell. | Jan 08 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Nothing more. | Jan 08 02:02 |
| Yfrwlf | you're kidding... =P | Jan 08 02:02 |
| oiaohm | also 4g does not allow you to run your own towers. | Jan 08 02:02 |
| oiaohm | So you have to pay a provider. | Jan 08 02:02 |
| oiaohm | I am not kidding. | Jan 08 02:03 |
| Yfrwlf | well I have wifi on my N900, so I'll be switching to that once it becomes available in enough areas | Jan 08 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Distance records (using non-standard devices) include 382 km (237 mi) in June 2007, held by Ermanno Pietrosemoli and EsLaRed << That is the current wifi transmission record. | Jan 08 02:04 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is longer than normal phone towers. | Jan 08 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | Good documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTI_J3fI2lA | Jan 08 02:06 |
| oiaohm | 6 watt amplifiers each end and forcused airels. Basically gear you are not allowed to use in most contries because it will put you above allowed broadcast strenthgs in the wifi approved by goverments. Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:06 |
| Yfrwlf | oiaohm: that's great ^^ Should push for wifi then if it's more open and accessible. | Jan 08 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically you cannot get range due to legally not being allowed. Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:07 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: how can I remove cache for a particular page? | Jan 08 02:07 |
| schestowitz | wb, wallc_ | Jan 08 02:07 |
| Yfrwlf | That's another thing that needs to go away then of course is stupid restrictions on radio broadcasting. | Jan 08 02:07 |
| tessier | shift reload on it might cause it to go back and get it from the backend | Jan 08 02:07 |
| cubezzz | time to buy LOTR again? sheesh :) | Jan 08 02:08 |
| oiaohm | They are not stupid Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:08 |
| cubezzz | this time on bluray | Jan 08 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: cell phone companies are cheap, they dump most of the US with coverage and features that were obsolete 10 years ago | Jan 08 02:08 |
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| DaemonFC | they charge obscene prices for it though | Jan 08 02:08 |
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| oiaohm | You are aware moblies and wifi are both microwaves. And at high broadcast strenghts can cook humans. Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them charge you $35-40 a month more just for having a blackberry | Jan 08 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | and then lots more for data | Jan 08 02:09 |
| Yfrwlf | DaemonFC: I can possibly sort of give them a break as they do have more land to cover. | Jan 08 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 08 02:09 |
| wallc_ | Hi! I've been reading the conversation about cell phones...interesting. | Jan 08 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | if they have to cover 50 times more area but have 100 times as many customers | Jan 08 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie towers need to broadcast strong so hand sets know tower is there. And then tower can use powerful amplihers to pickup phone messages. Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz | tessier: splendid, thanks. It worked | Jan 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz | I've just had that issue from the other day reintroduced when a new post overwrote an old one due to cache | Jan 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll find a trick around it | Jan 08 02:10 |
| oiaohm | There is basically no goveerment approvals for building wifi towers. Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Basically, tessier, some pages whose URL starts with wp-admin are being cached | Jan 08 02:11 |
| Yfrwlf | oiaohm: I didn't say there should be no restrictions, sorry, what I meant was that if it's not hurting anyone then it should be OK, and AFAIK the restrictions in place today have been outdated for like 80 years or so. | Jan 08 02:11 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-admin/edit.php for example gets cached | Jan 08 02:11 |
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| Yfrwlf | er, I didn't mean =P | Jan 08 02:11 |
| Yfrwlf | oiaohm: AFAIK the restrictions in place are not needed anymore due to newer ways of broadcasting which allows for much narrower bandwidths and better digital communication which allows for overlapping signals much easier without devices being confused. | Jan 08 02:13 |
| Yfrwlf | Obviously hurting life would be bad, yes. =P | Jan 08 02:14 |
| Yfrwlf | I didn't mean that of course. | Jan 08 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Yfrwlf: basically there would be less need for 4G if wifi was approved for long range towers. Or even its releation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX | Jan 08 02:14 |
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| oiaohm | WiMAX and 4G have about the same transfer rates. | Jan 08 02:15 |
| Yfrwlf | oiaohm, so why is 4G approved and Wifi not approved then is the question. | Jan 08 02:15 |
| oiaohm | One you are allowed to place your own towers one you are not. | Jan 08 02:15 |
| Yfrwlf | Because of industry pushing 4G? =P | Jan 08 02:16 |
| Yfrwlf | What does that matter, from a regulatory view? | Jan 08 02:16 |
| oiaohm | One you get up into broad cast strenghts that are known harmful. You need approval for todo it. | Jan 08 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Remember 4G you cannot place your own towers. | Jan 08 02:18 |
| oiaohm | result of this to use 4G you always have to pay someone. | Jan 08 02:18 |
| oiaohm | So of course industry is going to push for somethign where they can make the max money. | Jan 08 02:18 |
| Yfrwlf | Sounds like fail to me. | Jan 08 02:19 |
| Yfrwlf | Shouldn't have to pay someone.. | Jan 08 02:19 |
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| oiaohm | WiMax is being built for business and other uses like that. | Jan 08 02:20 |
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| oiaohm | Where you want to build your own towers go right ahead. | Jan 08 02:20 |
| Yfrwlf | With WiMax you can, but 4G you can't? | Jan 08 02:21 |
| oiaohm | At this stage that is the way it is Yfrwlf | Jan 08 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Reason WiMax can opereate in unlicenced spectrum. | Jan 08 02:23 |
| Yfrwlf | ok, thnx. ^^ | Jan 08 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Ie broadcasting in licenced spectrum you have to pay for licence. | Jan 08 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Good part about paying for licence anyone else using your licenced usage you can have skined alive. | Jan 08 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Bad part its costly. | Jan 08 02:24 |
| Yfrwlf | well take care all, I'm out =P | Jan 08 02:26 |
| Yfrwlf | thanks for the chat ^^ | Jan 08 02:26 |
| Yfrwlf | and info | Jan 08 02:26 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: sorry about earlier...been very windy here lately and our power went bye bye for a n hour'ish or so | Jan 08 02:30 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, neighborlee | Jan 08 02:50 |
| schestowitz | No problem, sorry about what? | Jan 08 02:50 |
| neighborlee | well I left earlier suddenly due to power outage | Jan 08 02:53 |
| neighborlee | I brought someone in and brought up mono etc.,,then I left LOL...thats how it felt on my end < though wasn't my fault :power outage> | Jan 08 02:54 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 08 02:54 |
| neighborlee | anyhoo,,thats what I was talking about | Jan 08 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Ah, no issue there. BN has some new pages about Mono too. I've shown them to you. | Jan 08 02:56 |
| neighborlee | I think I missed it when I went offline,canyou repost please | Jan 08 02:57 |
| neighborlee | also of slight interest maybe: my power company (PSE) forces you to use adobe pdf viewer on their site to view bills for example..I treid viewing a pdf of theirs in gnostice (a free java pdf viewer MUCH smaller than adobe isto download and of course totally crossplatform) and you can't because the darn file is seen by windows as aspx! | Jan 08 03:00 |
| neighborlee | what a hastle | Jan 08 03:00 |
| neighborlee | seems they are in bed with adobe ;) | Jan 08 03:01 |
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| neighborlee | not only that teh tech person told me the site wasn't really compat with firefox..I thought yeah sure,,as if firefox isn't some mainstream browser..what crap | Jan 08 03:01 |
| neighborlee | I let customer service know about it of course | Jan 08 03:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Episodes of FLOSS Weekly and Linux Outlaws http://twit.tv/flosss103 http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/130 | Jan 08 03:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #HP Needs to Mix with Desktop #GNU #Linux Moe Often http://katonda.com/blog/459/why-hp-doesnt-need-microsoft-tablet | Jan 08 03:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Preinstalls Rising Sharply http://blogs.computerworld.com/15361/the_next_generation_of_linux_notebooks_arrives_at_ces | Jan 08 03:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SplashTop 2.0 is Released, #HP Has #Linux -based "QuickWeb" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg2Mg | Jan 08 03:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Has #Linux -based "QuickWeb" - here is the link: http://www.t3.com/news/hp-mini-5102-netbook-lands?=43043 | Jan 08 03:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Business #GNU #Linux #Server in Review http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7662/1.html | Jan 08 03:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Surges Upwards http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2010/01/07/january_2010_web_server_survey.html | Jan 08 03:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Graphics Stack Improved with #DisplayPort , #DMX http://ur1.ca/jadm http://ur1.ca/jadn | Jan 08 03:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Distinct (Super Light) #GNU #Linux Distribution: #SliTaz http://ur1.ca/jadz | Jan 08 03:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #RedHat #Interview (Whitehurst) http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/app-security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222200556 | Jan 08 03:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Project Leader Offers "Spoonful of Sugar" http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2935 | Jan 08 03:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Flies Augmented-reality Gaming, Powers Plug http://ur1.ca/jaf1 http://ur1.ca/jaf2 | Jan 08 03:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hans Reiser Jumped in Prison http://ur1.ca/jaes | Jan 08 03:33 | |
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| cubezzz | Reiser is not going to be popular I'm afraid | Jan 08 03:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -Powered EReaders and Other Gadgets All Over #CES2010 http://ur1.ca/jaf7 | Jan 08 03:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Gains Amazing Ground in Phones, Shows #CES http://ur1.ca/jafb http://ur1.ca/jafc http://ur1.ca/jafd | Jan 08 03:37 | |
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| cubezzz | meh, it's cold all week | Jan 08 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's been snowing all day today | Jan 08 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 08 03:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux #Phone All Over the News, Looks Impressive http://ur1.ca/jafm http://ur1.ca/jafn http://ur1.ca/jafo | Jan 08 03:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quad-core ARM CPUs Are Coming http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567785/marvell-launches-quad-core-arm-cpu | Jan 08 03:47 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Through Risk: Reality of Internet Reporting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/07/blogging_report/ | Jan 08 03:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #France Says Every Webmaster is a Criminal, Must Pay the Monopolies http://ur1.ca/jagm | Jan 08 03:58 | |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono | Jan 08 03:59 |
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| Ender2070 | LOL - fail toys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGcE7IudRKE | Jan 08 04:05 |
| schestowitz | does the game have a mod where Bush plays by handing Bin Laden weapons to fight the Soviets? | Jan 08 04:11 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jan 08 04:11 |
| schestowitz | Surely, it's a satire/fake | Jan 08 04:11 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/01/key-quest-deployability.html | Jan 08 04:15 |
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| Ender2070 | it was a real game | Jan 08 04:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Harman to face car phone charges - Channel 4 News - lol - no doubt the defence will be "national security" http://tinyurl.com/yccm9nb | Jan 08 06:30 | |
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| Ender2070 | someone is foaming at the mouth | Jan 08 06:48 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] My today's lunch is just a sandwich and orange juice is it enough? | Jan 08 08:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Inspiring !! RT @bobinson: An year of Entrepreneurship http://freebird.in/techblog/an-year-of-entrepreneurship/ | Jan 08 08:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] LOL!! RT @vinayakh: How do geek communicate with their neighbours - http://bit.ly/8w6yiU #funny #photo | Jan 08 08:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Using dropbox to sync my tomboy notes at the moment because Ubuntu One is a bit buggy :( | Jan 08 09:41 | |
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| schestowitz | > http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/netroots_nation_keynote.html | Jan 08 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > I'd like to know what is on this page but see nothing. I imagine there is | Jan 08 10:18 |
| schestowitz | > some king of flash thing that I'm missing. | Jan 08 10:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I told him to use ogg. He (Lessig) ignored. He was recently used a lot by the FSF to further their cause, so I was hopeful. Lessig blog was declared AWOL some months back (lack of time). | Jan 08 10:18 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/case-studies/271920-fujitsu-gets-gives-value-to-linux Another stock exchange Linux schestowitz | Jan 08 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Don't they all run Linux yet? ;-) | Jan 08 10:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Finds Strategy Against #Linux Phones: Mock Them http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/08/bach-mocks-linux-phones/ | Jan 08 10:49 | |
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| schestowitz | Linux in stock exchanges is boring... like HPC. Linux has already won that market | Jan 08 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Let's see it take over mobiles, then MIDs/sub-notebooks, eventually schools and then office desktops too (probably last because of business apps tieup) | Jan 08 10:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Comprehensive article on why developers should choose OpenGL over DirectX. http://bit.ly/7o5VU6 | Jan 08 10:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of Dumping and Using “Scare Campaign” to Block Existing Migrations to #OpenOffice .org http://ur1.ca/jbpl | Jan 08 11:15 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] enjoying fun friday in office :D | Jan 08 11:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Home State is Running Out of Money While Microsoft Avoids Paying #Tax http://ur1.ca/jbqy | Jan 08 11:47 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/bt_global_services/ | Jan 08 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: iirc nz stock exchanges moved to Linux. What about au? | Jan 08 11:52 |
| schestowitz | uk (lse) is dumping WIndows for Linux at the moment | Jan 08 11:52 |
| oiaohm | The ASX is highly secretive what OS they are running schestowitz | Jan 08 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Has been since 1993 when it got breached. | Jan 08 11:55 |
| schestowitz | This is stupid: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/07/ces_ion_itype/ | Jan 08 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | Such a tiny display | Jan 08 11:57 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.asx.com.au | Jan 08 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Web Server: "Hello." | Jan 08 11:58 |
| schestowitz | "Australian Stock Exchange Ltd PO Box H224 Australia Square Sydney NSW 2000203.15.147.66Linuxunknown 2-Mar-2008" | Jan 08 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Linux | Jan 08 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.asx.com.au/professionals/companies/index.htM | Jan 08 11:59 |
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| schestowitz | Distort case, it's case insensitive | Jan 08 11:59 |
| schestowitz | So maybe WIndows but hidden | Jan 08 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/07/globalfoundries_gets_qualcomm/ | Jan 08 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/21/just-how-real-time-is-googles-real-time-search | Jan 08 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/german-cop-trouble-explosive-underwear-joke/ | Jan 08 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/01/07/breaking-former-white-house-lawyer-charged-with-murder/ | Jan 08 12:05 |
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| oiaohm | Now really what web server is Hello other than a form of Australian joke schestowitz | Jan 08 12:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/science/29train.html?_r=3&ref=science Ok that is a warped use of a toy train. | Jan 08 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: what type of joke that's local? | Jan 08 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Shouldn't it say, "g'day"? | Jan 08 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Sad: http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/digital-music-startup-jamendo-runs-out-of-steam-mulls-sale/ | Jan 08 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | Hello is a normal protocal message. schestowitz | Jan 08 12:23 |
| schestowitz | http://confusedofcalcutta.com/2010/01/07/more-on-the-facebookisation-of-the-enterprise/ | Jan 08 12:24 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: HELLO | Jan 08 12:24 |
| schestowitz | why "hello."? | Jan 08 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Or HELO | Jan 08 12:24 |
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| oiaohm | Do you think australian want to be predicatable and not cause person looking at it to be asking why. | Jan 08 12:27 |
| oiaohm | g'day too predictable. | Jan 08 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Hello. leaves people guessing completely Australian idea of a prank. | Jan 08 12:27 |
| oiaohm | .... . .-.. .-.. --- << Really that would have been Better. | Jan 08 12:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Jamendo Runs Out Of Cash, Looks For An Exit - http://bit.ly/66oNW0 cc music; pity it has problems >piny indeed, I love them | Jan 08 12:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Ha!!! http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/hp-slate-android/ | Jan 08 12:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/jan/06/cold-snap-climate-sceptics | Jan 08 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... http://identi.ca/notice/18486625 "@schestowitz your personal web site is a *pain* to the eyes :-)" | Jan 08 12:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @johnsu01 New @rms article on Selling Exceptions to the GNU GPL: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/selling-exceptions #fsf #gnu | Jan 08 12:45 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/18483178 | Jan 08 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | "It's unlikely ad blockers are going to get to the level where they imperil the advertising market, because if advertising is so annoying that a large segment of the population wants to block it, then advertising should get less annoying. So I think the market will sort this out." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/business/media/04link.html?8dpc | Jan 08 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/331686/sony_emphasises_3d_across_all_hdtv_lines?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 08 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Free-Therapy-RawTherapee-as-of-Version-3.0-Under-GPLv3 | Jan 08 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Haha: http://www.bobpritchett.com/blog/2009/12/google_destroyed_the_web.html | Jan 08 13:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/01/four-short-links-7-january-201.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+oreilly%2Fradar%2Fatom+%28O%27Reilly+Radar%29 | Jan 08 13:26 |
| schestowitz | "It's hard to disagree with the basic contention that SEO aimed at Google's rankings has fucked the web. It's a vicious circle, too: the more fake content sites are created to game Google, the harder it will be for any new web search startup to filter that effluent and deliver meaningful results in competition to Google. This is a grim feedback loop." | Jan 08 13:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EU-Korea free trade agreement will give weapons to patent trolls, quasi automatic injunctions without a trial: http://i5.be/ags | Jan 08 13:33 | |
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| schestowitz | :-( | Jan 08 13:35 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz your .com site is very '95 ;-) No offense meant though, I actually like it that way :-)" http://identi.ca/notice/18490537 | Jan 08 13:35 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Jesus! ROLF! RD: @anivar LOL!! RT @vinayakh: How do geek communicate with their neighbours - http://bit.ly/8w6yiU #funny #photo | Jan 08 13:43 | |
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| schestowitz | RMS speaks decent French, not just Spanish... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSH_kKOXMs4 | Jan 08 13:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] COLA gone mad. Seriously thinking about unsubscribing. What a waste of bandwith, time and energy :-( | Jan 08 13:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst just ignore the trolls | Jan 08 13:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz It's not the trolls this time, it's the regulars feeding them (HPT and CO). | Jan 08 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bans term linux in XBOX live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvtl4ye-3D0 | Jan 08 13:56 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 08 13:56 |
| trmanco | buy a ps3 then | Jan 08 13:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Sorry Roy, I was just very angry. Killed the "Hadron and Snit" treat by "ceed". Don't understand why they keep on feeding. | Jan 08 13:59 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] GPL selling exceptions new article by RMS http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/selling-exceptions (via @eduvid) | Jan 08 14:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 6-Monitor GNU/Linux/GNOME Experience (Video) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/08/6-monitor-gnu-linux/ #playogg | Jan 08 14:06 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: better yet, Pandora or something that's open like EVO | Jan 08 14:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techie-buzz.com/ubuntu/lucid-lynx-beginner-manual.html | Jan 08 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186215/spamassasin_email_bug.html?tk=rss_news "If you sent an email in the first few hours of 2010, there is a chance that it never reached its recipient thanks to an embarrassing '2010' bug buried in the open source SpamAssassin anti-spam engine used by many Internet Service Providers." | Jan 08 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe this is why I missed my mother's mails | Jan 08 14:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186240/smasung_shows_off_see_through_screens_at_ces.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 08 14:14 |
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| trmanco | I'm getting airplane sick :( | Jan 08 14:15 |
| trmanco | I still don't know which airline to choose :( | Jan 08 14:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ml2mst @ just killfile all troll posts *and* threads. My view is clean | Jan 08 14:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] See http://ur1.ca/jc5e and http://ur1.ca/jc5f All the real "innovation" comes from Asia these days... | Jan 08 14:19 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dangerousminds.net/index.php/site/comments/i_am_the_walrus_extremely_nsfw/ | Jan 08 14:36 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Jan 08 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/07/controversial-gym-ad.html | Jan 08 14:37 |
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| MinceR | pix or it didn't happen | Jan 08 14:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dabcc.com/article.aspx?id=13048 | Jan 08 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Linus called Digg users "wanking walruses" | Jan 08 14:48 |
| MinceR | they deserve it, being crApple cultists | Jan 08 14:49 |
| schestowitz | They are now, yes | Jan 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | In 2006 there were no trolls there | Jan 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Much later came the very abusive ones, not the bait ones | Jan 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Like stalkers and outright libellous ones | Jan 08 14:56 |
| schestowitz | I think it's like the lifecycle of many sites, inc. /. | Jan 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | As they grow and grow they then get abused and then die as a result | Jan 08 14:57 |
| schestowitz | http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/AQ33563.htm | Jan 08 14:57 |
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| Murloc | Hi all | Jan 08 15:17 |
| Murloc | Is it or someone said that McCain promoted Ballmer as China ambasador? | Jan 08 15:18 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10429430-62.html "A great many open-source companies were funded in 2007, some of which will run out of cash or have to raise more money in 2010. It would be shame to see promising technologies and communities fall by the wayside as potential acquirers focus on short-term goals. " | Jan 08 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | Murloc: yes | Jan 08 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Murloc: | Jan 08 15:21 |
| schestowitz | !google mccain ballmer | Jan 08 15:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - McCain: Bring me Steve Ballmer - PC World | http://www.pcworld.com/article/132592/mccain_bring_me_steve_ballmer.html | Jan 08 15:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - McCain wants Ballmer as ambassador to China • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/04/ballmer_for_mccain_administration/ | Jan 08 15:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - McCain: Bring me Steve Ballmer | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do%3FarticleId%3D9023218%26command%3DviewArticleBasic | Jan 08 15:21 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Ballmer kicks off Win7 launch; McCain looks to block net ... | http://www.networkworld.com/podcasts/cisconews/ | Jan 08 15:21 |
| Murloc | Weird... | Jan 08 15:21 |
| schestowitz | He is | Jan 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 08 15:22 |
| Murloc | Anyway | Jan 08 15:22 |
| Murloc | have you saw that Chinese OS that resembles XP? | Jan 08 15:22 |
| Murloc | It's base is however Ubuntu. | Jan 08 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes, well... GNOME | Jan 08 15:26 |
| schestowitz | What is Ubuntu anyway? It's a distro that puts together the bits | Jan 08 15:26 |
| schestowitz | They made a skin, maybe some programs form ylmf os | Jan 08 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Where toxic waste comes to die: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/06/five.places.internet.tv/index.html | Jan 08 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | "TV viewers are throwing away their sets in the mistaken belief that they could stop working when the analogue signal is turned off." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8446877.stm | Jan 08 16:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] More!!! How do geek communicate with their neighbors http://bit.ly/4z7JUe #funny # photo | Jan 08 16:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] i'm boggling slightly that microsoft actually used this as VS2008 tagline http://is.gd/5URxC must be same marketers behind win7 party video | Jan 08 16:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The winner is: GAYNESS! http://www.afterelton.com/blog/michaeljensen/john-barrowman-concedes | Jan 08 16:35 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4-rc1.php | Jan 08 16:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] why would #Gnome choose #Silverlight for it's Planet? It makes no sense | Jan 08 16:39 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Urocyon British woman arrested in Dubai after reporting rape http://bit.ly/8wPGPI please RT #thetruthaboutdubai | Jan 08 16:43 | |
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| Omar87_ | schestowitz: ping | Jan 08 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ACK | Jan 08 17:24 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: You mentioned us as a LUG to JWildeboer. :) | Jan 08 17:25 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: Actually, we're an Open Source Association (although I don't agree with the name, but at least it's not an MS cult).. | Jan 08 17:27 |
| Omar87_ | It's alright though. ;) | Jan 08 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87_: yes, I knew it was not a LUG | Jan 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Best would be about Free software something | Jan 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | What's the Arab word for "Freedom", which I assume if different from "Free"? | Jan 08 17:42 |
| Omar87_ | "الحرية" = "Al-hurriyah" | Jan 08 17:44 |
| Omar87_ | Which means "Freedom" | Jan 08 17:44 |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: have you heard the gaurdian tech weekly ces special with MS? | Jan 08 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | OMFG, "plans for MS in the future is about consumer choice, better value etc" what bullshit | Jan 08 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | they're a "horizontal" player where you can choose a Sony tv, Toshiba laptop, Nikon camera etc..... | Jan 08 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | a "partnering company" | Jan 08 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | it is a MS spokesperson, I just wonder what planet he's describing, because it ain't this one | Jan 08 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | bringing tech to a larger number of manufactirers, lowering costs to consumers rofl | Jan 08 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | how the hell do MS get away with blatent lies like this? | Jan 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: any URL? | Jan 08 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | hang on I'll get you it | Jan 08 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/jan/07/ces-microsoft | Jan 08 18:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Google Nexus One failed to revive my dead grandmother http://newstechnica.com/?p=1154 | Jan 08 18:05 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: thanks | Jan 08 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it is a MS interview so you'd expect the bias, but this is a joke | Jan 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks | Jan 08 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a promo peice making MS out to be something they're not | Jan 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsotf paying The Guardian | Jan 08 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | no idea, but judging by this, you have to wonder | Jan 08 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | even the interviewer seems kinda easy on him | Jan 08 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | "I've noticed Bing's market share increasing" | Jan 08 18:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Outpaces Apple in Some US Circles Too http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/01/06/2009-recap/ | Jan 08 18:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fujitsu Goes with #GNU #Linux for for Massive #Servers http://ur1.ca/jcn9 | Jan 08 18:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Lays Out Milestones for "Quest" http://ur1.ca/jcnd http://ur1.ca/jcne http://ur1.ca/jcnf http://ur1.ca/jcng | Jan 08 18:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Alpha 2 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/whats-coming-in-lucid-alpha-2.html | Jan 08 18:11 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: who interviews him? | Jan 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna write about this later when I see it. | Jan 08 18:12 |
| ThistleWeb | not sure, I recognise the voice but I missed the name at the start | Jan 08 18:12 |
| ThistleWeb | the interview is only the first 10 mins | Jan 08 18:12 |
| ThistleWeb | but it's complete fantasy | Jan 08 18:12 |
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| ThistleWeb | talking about horizontal plans being better value for consumers, like they did on the pc market....in their plans for mobiles | Jan 08 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | and the xbox 360 being a success | Jan 08 18:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nimblex #GNU #Linux Customised for Users via the Web http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/688-make-your-linux-online-via-nimblex | Jan 08 18:13 | |
| neighborlee | ThistleWeb: its only a success on games, not the console itself lets be clear ;) | Jan 08 18:14 |
| ThistleWeb | or how they were gonna use the power of the web to connect people......like they've failed over and over and over to do in the past | Jan 08 18:14 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently the xbox is an open eccopshere | Jan 08 18:14 |
| neighborlee | i'd argue its still in the HOLE based on its HUGE loses in that department ;) | Jan 08 18:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sony Subscribes to More Linux with Chumby http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2010/01/sony-unveils-a-dashing-chumby/ (via @glynmoody ) | Jan 08 18:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz ever heard of that joke? :P Windows 7 Fastest Selling Operating System In History Says Microsoft. http://bit.ly/7YJqW0 | Jan 08 18:15 | |
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| ThistleWeb | neighborlee: you came in part way through a rant, listen to the ces MS interview | Jan 08 18:15 |
| ThistleWeb | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/jan/07/ces-microsoft <<from here | Jan 08 18:16 |
| neighborlee | what rant | Jan 08 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a joke | Jan 08 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | my rant against that podcast interview | Jan 08 18:16 |
| neighborlee | ic | Jan 08 18:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Gains in Attraction Among #Device Developers http://ur1.ca/jcoi http://ur1.ca/jcoj | Jan 08 18:16 | |
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| neighborlee | I was gonna say,,wth are you stonned on LOOL | Jan 08 18:16 |
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| ThistleWeb | listen to it for yourself, the first 10 mins is an interview with MS about the future.....and it;s complete bullshit, total fantsay | Jan 08 18:17 |
| neighborlee | most things with them, is ;)) | Jan 08 18:17 |
| neighborlee | SHOCK ;) | Jan 08 18:17 |
| neighborlee | like their patent promise et cetera LOL | Jan 08 18:17 |
| neighborlee | who needs to listen to understand that ? ;))heh | Jan 08 18:17 |
| ThistleWeb | anyone who knows anything beyond the MS PR will have several "points" per min with that interview | Jan 08 18:17 |
| neighborlee | no doubt | Jan 08 18:18 |
| Omar87_ | LOL! http://www.neowin.net/news/main/10/01/07/windows-7-is-fastest-selling-os-in-history | Jan 08 18:18 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz ever heard of that joke? :P Windows 7 Fastest Selling Operating System In History Says Microsoft. http://tinyurl.com/ydtvfu3 | Jan 08 18:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Avalanche of #Linux ( #Android ) Devices Takes Over #CES http://ur1.ca/jcor | Jan 08 18:18 | |
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| neighborlee | Omar87_: I dont know what the ad campaigns were like when xp came out, but they did offer win7 for $50 for limited time before'' it cameout..so those numbers 'might' have some truth ;) | Jan 08 18:19 |
| neighborlee | Omar87_: and as much as I distrust/dislike winblows, 7 is much lighter ( more stable ,,anyones guess), and easier to get around uac than vista thats for sure..and well xp is going to be GONe for support soon ( them not us), so meh | Jan 08 18:20 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: well, we are in the age of consumerism.. People might very well, whether intentionally or not, start worshipping any company that succeeds in marketting its garbage to them is an appealing way. | Jan 08 18:23 |
| neighborlee | of course | Jan 08 18:24 |
| neighborlee | win7 is pretty, faster, lighter, pretty, LOL | Jan 08 18:24 |
| Omar87_ | So, instead of putting all the blame on MS, we should also start slapping those idiots who buy all the bull crap it spouts. | Jan 08 18:24 |
| neighborlee | so what else is out there thats as 'stable' or 'pretty' and can compete ?<nothing> | Jan 08 18:25 |
| neighborlee | not yet ;) | Jan 08 18:25 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: There's Linux. :-) | Jan 08 18:25 |
| neighborlee | even if windows was garbage ( some would argue heh), applications and games will KEEP it used for a LONNNNNg time | Jan 08 18:25 |
| neighborlee | linux is a joke atm | Jan 08 18:25 |
| neighborlee | you can still find advice on helpme pages , saying to use the 'console' to do things..sally and bob are NOT going to want to bother with that | Jan 08 18:26 |
| neighborlee | linux doesn't get it | Jan 08 18:26 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: At least, in Linux, you spend an entire month without virus protection and not be a worried about it at all. :) | Jan 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | oh noes, the 'console' can be used, it must be a joke then | Jan 08 18:26 |
| neighborlee | dont twist my words | Jan 08 18:27 |
| Omar87_ | At least in Linux, you will forget what "Deframentation" really means. | Jan 08 18:27 |
| neighborlee | you know what my point is..assuming your awake atm ;) | Jan 08 18:27 |
| MinceR | if you think someone _has_ to use it then you'd better learn how to use GNU/Linux | Jan 08 18:27 |
| neighborlee | did I say that ? | Jan 08 18:27 |
| neighborlee | rereard what I said | Jan 08 18:27 |
| neighborlee | read | Jan 08 18:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP #Slate Runs #GNU #Linux , Not Just #Vista7 (Which Disappoints Many) http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/hp-slate-android/ | Jan 08 18:27 | |
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| MinceR | i had the impression that you did, but maybe you just failed to express yourself | Jan 08 18:27 |
| neighborlee | no, you just read what you wanted to read INTO it ;) | Jan 08 18:28 |
| MinceR | also, if "linux doesn't get it", why don't you talk to "linux"? :> | Jan 08 18:28 |
| neighborlee | its been that way for AGES | Jan 08 18:28 |
| neighborlee | no need to talk..we are in 'action' preferred territory here | Jan 08 18:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm 's #Linux Makes New Gains with New Devices and Contracts http://ur1.ca/jcpj http://ur1.ca/jcpk | Jan 08 18:28 | |
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| MinceR | you are? | Jan 08 18:28 |
| neighborlee | duh | Jan 08 18:29 |
| MinceR | well, act then | Jan 08 18:29 |
| neighborlee | on what | Jan 08 18:29 |
| neighborlee | the only distro im even half interested in atm in arch | Jan 08 18:29 |
| neighborlee | is arch | Jan 08 18:29 |
| neighborlee | people that know me, know why | Jan 08 18:30 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: Instead of blaming Linux for not being able to run games why not blaming game manufacturers for not providing Linux support? | Jan 08 18:30 |
| neighborlee | its not manuf fault | Jan 08 18:30 |
| neighborlee | its linux | Jan 08 18:30 |
| MinceR | strange to hear that from a guy who just stated that "linux is a joke atm" because "you can still find advice on helpme pages , saying to use the 'console' to do things..sally and bob are NOT going to want to bother with that" | Jan 08 18:30 |
| neighborlee | if they support all of linux,,they could have support nightmares | Jan 08 18:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reports on #FreeSoftware in the #Server ( #SecondLife and #Grendel with #OpenPGP ) http://ur1.ca/jcpr http://ur1.ca/jcps | Jan 08 18:30 | |
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| Omar87_ | neighborlee: Does Microsoft even give a s**t whether you're able to run any piece of non-MS software on Windows? | Jan 08 18:31 |
| neighborlee | if it was that easy, I suspect more have already done so..you'll have to ask them why they have not done so | Jan 08 18:31 |
| neighborlee | dont ask me | Jan 08 18:31 |
| neighborlee | im not the enemy,,,, | Jan 08 18:31 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: yeah, it must be the fault of GNU/Linux for not automatically running every binary ever written for all the architectures and OSes that ever existed | Jan 08 18:31 |
| neighborlee | I just know what I like and what I do n ot, and why. | Jan 08 18:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Free Media Software ( #Boxee ) Releases Public Beta http://ur1.ca/jcq3 http://ur1.ca/jcq4 http://ur1.ca/jcq6 | Jan 08 18:31 | |
| MinceR | because winblows can certainly do that! | Jan 08 18:31 |
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| MinceR | oh wait, no it can't | Jan 08 18:31 |
| neighborlee | do what | Jan 08 18:31 |
| MinceR | 193109 < MinceR> neighborlee: yeah, it must be the fault of GNU/Linux for not automatically running every binary ever written for all the architectures and OSes that ever existed | Jan 08 18:32 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: what binaries | Jan 08 18:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 08 18:32 |
| neighborlee | duplication is unnecesssary,,I read fast enough to keep up with you or anyone else | Jan 08 18:32 |
| neighborlee | meh | Jan 08 18:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeNAS Alive Under Both #BSD and #Linux Directions http://lwn.net/Articles/366886/ | Jan 08 18:32 | |
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| MinceR | why do you come here to debate technology if you don't know the terms? | Jan 08 18:32 |
| neighborlee | I can't debate what I already know.I would think that makes me perfectly fit to do it | Jan 08 18:33 |
| MinceR | you apparently don't read, that's the problem | Jan 08 18:33 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: does MS give damn about whether you can install any piece of hardware on Windows? Does it provide you with the drivers? Nope! | Jan 08 18:33 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: your an idiot | Jan 08 18:33 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: and prob. 10 years old, the way you are acting | Jan 08 18:33 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: you've proved before that you're the idiot here | Jan 08 18:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Togo footballers shot in ambush #football http://tinyurl.com/yfz7knz | Jan 08 18:33 | |
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| neighborlee | im going to ignore the ignorant,,of which your acting one of atm..your acting like a fool | Jan 08 18:33 |
| MinceR | neighborlee: your "arguments" are preposterous and your position is obvious | Jan 08 18:33 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: The Ubuntu development team on the other hand, strives to provide as much drivers for as much devices out there as possible. | Jan 08 18:33 |
| neighborlee | the ubuntu team are fools | Jan 08 18:34 |
| neighborlee | fools to think people dont understand their mono LOVE | Jan 08 18:34 |
| neighborlee | thast why this channel exists,,to SHOW people ubuntu is not the way to success...they love mono, we do not. | Jan 08 18:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #London Embraces Data Openness; #OpenID and #Google Marriage http://ur1.ca/jcqk http://ur1.ca/jcql | Jan 08 18:34 | |
| neighborlee | end of story | Jan 08 18:34 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: Oh yeah! MS slaves are the only men with brains in the Universe! Sorry I forgot that! | Jan 08 18:35 |
| neighborlee | now, IF they gave people a 'choice' to use mono ornot that would be fine,,but NO NO its 'forced' on you!! | Jan 08 18:35 |
| neighborlee | force is undesireable. | Jan 08 18:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Censorship / Crackdown on #FreeSpeech in #China http://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/filmmaker-01062010111100.html | Jan 08 18:35 | |
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| neighborlee | force=dictatorship | Jan 08 18:35 |
| MinceR | does m$ give you a choice? | Jan 08 18:36 |
| neighborlee | with them we already have the status quo, and we know it | Jan 08 18:36 |
| neighborlee | with linux/ubuntu we expect NOT to have that forced on us, so its entirely different..but good try< | Jan 08 18:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FCC Redone; Crowdsourced Radio Gets Financial Boost http://ur1.ca/jcr0 http://ur1.ca/jcr2 | Jan 08 18:36 | |
| MinceR | bullshit on top of more bullshit | Jan 08 18:36 |
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| neighborlee | MinceR: hahahaha | Jan 08 18:36 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: say you're big phat looser and have run of arguments to defend Master Ballmer with. | Jan 08 18:37 |
| MinceR | and a typical m$ apologist response | Jan 08 18:37 |
| neighborlee | MinceR: I gotcha,and the best you got is I call bullshit on you!!! | Jan 08 18:37 |
| neighborlee | ha, and double ha | Jan 08 18:37 |
| neighborlee | dont become a lawyer | Jan 08 18:37 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: By the way, no mater how much you keep worshipping Master Ballmer, he wouldn't get off his throne and make you his successor. | Jan 08 18:38 |
| neighborlee | where did I say I 'liked' ballmer | Jan 08 18:38 |
| neighborlee | please, show me | Jan 08 18:38 |
| neighborlee | I dare ya | Jan 08 18:38 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: You don't have to say it. | Jan 08 18:38 |
| neighborlee | then stop putting words in my mouth ! | Jan 08 18:38 |
| neighborlee | that shows your level of discourse is running very high atm | Jan 08 18:39 |
| neighborlee | and thats not ethical or logical | Jan 08 18:39 |
| Omar87_ | neighborlee: It's obvious in every letter you have written. | Jan 08 18:39 |
| neighborlee | I can see I can't argue with that which is illogical ,,,so fine I wont. | Jan 08 18:39 |
| MinceR | said the ID proponent. | Jan 08 18:40 |
| neighborlee | when you can discuss intellignently let me know.till then your being ignored.<<<<< | Jan 08 18:40 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 08 18:40 |
| Omar87_ | said neighborlee to himself. | Jan 08 18:40 |
| trmanco | http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX | Jan 08 18:41 |
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| trmanco | haha | Jan 08 18:41 |
| ThistleWeb | neighborlee: when did you're dose kick in? | Jan 08 18:42 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't remember you being such an asshole before so I have to wonder if it's medication related | Jan 08 18:42 |
| ThistleWeb | it'd be useful to know when it's losing it's effect so we can pay attention to you again | Jan 08 18:43 |
| Omar87_ | MinceR: ya see that attitude of neighborlee? Each time I talk to a MS fanboi/troll/junky/slave, I find the exact same attitude. | Jan 08 18:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 08 18:43 |
| MinceR | though usually it's a little more subdued | Jan 08 18:43 |
| ThistleWeb | unless I'm confusing you with someone else | Jan 08 18:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Chris Sherlock's greatest invention keeps on keeping on http://is.gd/5Vf8W | Jan 08 18:44 | |
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| Omar87_ | MinceR: they start to yap around like they're smart, but once you trap them into the corner, they quickly try to close the whole subject by acting like they're even smarter.. -NOT- | Jan 08 18:46 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: I think the interviewer is Bobby Johnson on that MS peice | Jan 08 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: no they don't buy it | Jan 08 19:04 |
| schestowitz | You believe Microsoft's lies again | Jan 08 19:04 |
| schestowitz | They do a sort of writeoff | Jan 08 19:04 |
| schestowitz | They are not sales | Jan 08 19:05 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: I personally know people who believe absolutely anything good about MS, even if MS denies it. | Jan 08 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Omar87_: neighborlee is pro-Linux | Jan 08 19:07 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: I have some friends here who literally worship MS without knowing. | Jan 08 19:07 |
| schestowitz | No need to smear that messenger | Jan 08 19:07 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: but why was he acting weird saying Linux is a joke.. etc? | Jan 08 19:08 |
| MinceR | if he's pro-linux, he keeps that secret very well. | Jan 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 08 19:09 |
| MinceR | he smears Linux with things that aren't true and with things that aren't its fault. | Jan 08 19:09 |
| schestowitz | You'd have to look a long way back | Jan 08 19:09 |
| MinceR | so a long time ago he used to be pro-Linux? | Jan 08 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Some people haven't kicked the WIndows habit | Jan 08 19:11 |
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| DaemonFC | I've been playing around with Windows Server 2008 R2 | Jan 08 19:13 |
| MinceR | that's what it's for. | Jan 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like Windows 7 with the limitations on RAM and CPU removed + IIS | Jan 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | the IE hardening pack is still there by default, and Aero is turned off by default | Jan 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | it gives an option to install it with no GUI and just the command prompt or Powershell | Jan 08 19:15 |
| MinceR | plain winblows "server" 2008 was based on plain vista, right? | Jan 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I tried that out and found that it doesn't even install the files needed for the GUI | Jan 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | actually, you could say that Vista was based on Server 2008 | Jan 08 19:16 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 08 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | just had all the cool features turned off so they could sell it for $700+ less | Jan 08 19:16 |
| MinceR | so on "server" even the pretense of vista7 being something new is gone. :> | Jan 08 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | well, it is meant for much much more RAM and physical CPUs and has all the stupid unprofessional stuff removed | Jan 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | like it has no Media Center | Jan 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | those are the main differences | Jan 08 19:17 |
| MinceR | "all the stupid unprofessional stuff removed" -- so it's an empty cd? | Jan 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | you could get more or less the same effect with Windows 7 Professional and Apache | Jan 08 19:17 |
| MinceR | or a bunch of freebsd source code? :> | Jan 08 19:18 |
| schestowitz | This is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKj35xhkNE Newsroom / Weather Channel Accused of Pro-Weather Bias | Jan 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, Windows never limits the cores, just CPU sockets | Jan 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | so you could conceivably have two physical CPUs with 8 cores each under Windows XP Professional | Jan 08 19:18 |
| MinceR | does it have m$ sql server? | Jan 08 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server 2008 R2 supports SMP x 256, so you could get there with like 32 physical x 8 cores | Jan 08 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't looked around that far yet, I just got it a few hours ago | Jan 08 19:20 |
| MinceR | or i could put it on a VM and let a real OS use all those cores for actual work :> | Jan 08 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | well MinceR , most VMs can emulate more cores than your hardware actually has | Jan 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | so you could do that as well | Jan 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Windows in the VM could see two cores per 1 core you have | Jan 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | you would do that so that the virtual machine could give each core two tasks to work on at once | Jan 08 19:22 |
| MinceR | no need to do that, it's slow enough as is | Jan 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | makes it slightly faster | Jan 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I've also been meaning to try out Suse in Hyper-V | Jan 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | just for shits and giggles | Jan 08 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Good satire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyGHHxUFY6w&NR=1 | Jan 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: This is satire? | Jan 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | "The whole continent is like 'Hospice'" | Jan 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jan 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Did he mean Hostel? | Jan 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Oil for Sticks Program.....could be ran by the UN | Jan 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Kofi Annan, bring him back | Jan 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe they give us oil and we give them Styx, the 80s band | Jan 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Server 2008 R2 also dropped 32-bit x86 | Jan 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that | Jan 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can only run it on an x86-64 CPU | Jan 08 19:32 |
| MinceR | i'm sure there's a good reason for that | Jan 08 19:32 |
| MinceR | </sarcasm> | Jan 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be surprised if they didn't drop 32-bit x86 in the next consumer Windows | Jan 08 19:32 |
| MinceR | i still don't know why anyone in their right mind would want to infect a _server_ with winblows anyway | Jan 08 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | nobody even makes them except like the Atom, but that's not a real CPU anyway | Jan 08 19:33 |
| MinceR | i doubt they can afford to drop 32bit, they're hurt bad enough by not being able to support ARM, if they lost Atom, that would be another blow | Jan 08 19:33 |
| MinceR | (most Atom CPUs are 32bit-only) | Jan 08 19:33 |
| MinceR | how is it not a real CPU? | Jan 08 19:33 |
| MinceR | does it not consume enough electricity | Jan 08 19:34 |
| MinceR | ? | Jan 08 19:34 |
| MinceR | does it not give off enough heat? | Jan 08 19:34 |
| MinceR | or perhaps a "real CPU" is defined as something that needs active cooling? | Jan 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | if Microsoft releases every 5 years, then the next Windows would be out in like 2014 anyway | Jan 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | so nobody would have made a 32-bit x86 CPU for desktops in close to a decade | Jan 08 19:34 |
| MinceR | according to IDC, there won't be any more winblows releases ever again :> | Jan 08 19:34 |
| MinceR | are you sure desktops will even matter then, as opposed to laptops and high-end gaming PCs? | Jan 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Atom is a terrible CPU by any measure | Jan 08 19:35 |
| MinceR | by any of your measures, that is | Jan 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | mostly just features vs. how power efficient it's not | Jan 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's got nothing going for it | Jan 08 19:35 |
| MinceR | except that it uses little power and that it's enough for a lot of tasks? | Jan 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | it should either use half as much power or have twice as many features | Jan 08 19:36 |
| MinceR | sure, vista7 might be too bloated to run well on it, but who cares? | Jan 08 19:36 |
| MinceR | it does pretty well what it was designed to do | Jan 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | well, a chip that slow isn't even going to tear through tasks on even the most stripped down Linux out there | Jan 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | it barely even moves on XP | Jan 08 19:36 |
| MinceR | define 'tear through tasks' | Jan 08 19:36 |
| MinceR | on my netbook, kde4 runs fine | Jan 08 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | like, I press a button and it does something within 5 seconds | Jan 08 19:37 |
| MinceR | that's because you've addled it with winblows | Jan 08 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe anyone even buys that crap | Jan 08 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't take a netbook with an Atom for free unless I could expect to sell it to someone else unopened | Jan 08 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | then I'd take one for free | Jan 08 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, I suppose I'd take one for free, but not to open and use myself | Jan 08 19:38 |
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| DaemonFC | this laptop that I'm on right now was middle-of-the-road equipment in 2005 and is still faster than any Atom netbook they have out now | Jan 08 19:39 |
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| DaemonFC | sure with the 6 cell battery, it only lasts half as long, that's why I have a 12 cell | Jan 08 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 08 19:39 |
| MinceR | what specs does it have? how long does it last? | Jan 08 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | about 1 hour 30 minutes on a 6 cell, about 3 hours on a 12 cell | Jan 08 19:40 |
| MinceR | that's pathetic compared to a good netbook | Jan 08 19:40 |
| MinceR | mine does about 8 hours in normal use | Jan 08 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | 1.8 Ghz Sempron 3000, 1 GB of RAM, 80 GB hard disk, Windows XP | Jan 08 19:40 |
| MinceR | with a 6-cell battery | Jan 08 19:41 |
| MinceR | even though its GPU isn't designed for low power consumption | Jan 08 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | the battery actually drains faster in Linux | Jan 08 19:41 |
| MinceR | (GMA 950, as opposed to that crapheap GMA 500) | Jan 08 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | mostly because I only get framebuffer video in Linux I'd suspect | Jan 08 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | everything goes straight to the CPU, making it run hotter and slower and take more power | Jan 08 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | so I actually get about 1/3rd less time on Linux before my battery needs charged again | Jan 08 19:42 |
| MinceR | sounds like you're missing a GPU driver :> | Jan 08 19:42 |
| MinceR | funny enough, even my ThinkPad W700 can do 1h 30min | Jan 08 19:43 |
| MinceR | running GNU/Linux | Jan 08 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's cause Linux doesn't have one and ATI is a bunch of motherfuckers who drop their hardware support 2.5 years in | Jan 08 19:43 |
| MinceR | can't you use the FLOSS driver for that old ATI chip? | Jan 08 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | so when FGLRX supported this, sure I could use Linux | Jan 08 19:43 |
| MinceR | afaik the point of dropping support in the proprietary driver was that the FLOSS driver was at least as good for those chips | Jan 08 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | now I can't because "radeon" is not good enough | Jan 08 19:44 |
| MinceR | or at least one of the FLOSS drivers (iirc they have at least two) | Jan 08 19:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Got in from work, and unwound by making flapjack. yum. #fb | Jan 08 19:44 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The point of dropping it was to fuck over the customer and save a little money well before the FOSS driver could cope with the chipset | Jan 08 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | because they don't give a rats ass | Jan 08 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | they already sold it to you, the money is theirs, hahahaha | Jan 08 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | something like that | Jan 08 19:45 |
| MinceR | well, not to me | Jan 08 19:45 |
| *MinceR still doesn't trust AMD/ATI | Jan 08 19:45 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They've already proven, at least with their GPUs, that Windows is all they care about | Jan 08 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | and if you get it working on a non-Windows system, good for you | Jan 08 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably ditch XP again as soon at X.org has a driver which sufficiently supports this chipset | Jan 08 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably convert it over to PC-BSD this time | Jan 08 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still running PC-BSD on the PC in my bedroom | Jan 08 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | it runs well | Jan 08 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's the Linuxulator and of course Wine works on it, so I'm usually covered no matter if it was actually built for BSD or not | Jan 08 19:49 |
| MinceR | does PC-BSD have drivers for that GPU? | Jan 08 19:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It’s Free as in #Freedom http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/08/rebuttal-to-dana-blankenhorn-foss/ | Jan 08 19:52 | |
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| Ender2070 | MinceR - +1 | Jan 08 19:53 |
| Ender2070 | my dell xps m1330 dies faster in windows | Jan 08 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | I have about half the battery life in windows | Jan 08 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No, it's limited the same way Linux is | Jan 08 19:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: then i don't see why that should be a good idea | Jan 08 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Ubuntu 10.04 ships on my brother's birthday | Jan 08 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it has a manual included | Jan 08 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | nifty | Jan 08 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9874171-16.html | Jan 08 20:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft's stingy DreamSpark program | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 99.1 KB | Jan 08 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Asay sure bashed the hell out of Dreamspark | Jan 08 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | are you sure he's a shill? | Jan 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | i'm sure | Jan 08 20:14 |
| MinceR | afaict he's a crApple shill, not a m$ shill | Jan 08 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | so why bash Microsoft DrugDealer? | Jan 08 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | oh | Jan 08 20:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Recommends That the #EuropeanCommission Should Unbundle PCs/Windows http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/08/peter-brown-unbundling/ | Jan 08 20:14 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FSF Recommends That the European Commission Should Unbundle PCs/Windows | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.37 KB | Jan 08 20:14 |
| MinceR | or maybe a shill in general for ripping off FLOSS projects, like crApple and m$ often do | Jan 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | well, Dreamspark is a little ridiculous, more than a little actually | Jan 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | the hoops it makes you jump through just to get an account | Jan 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | so you can download "developer tools" that aren't as powerful as you can get from FOSS just for the downloading | Jan 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's insane | Jan 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | now they've expanded DrugDealer to high school students | Jan 08 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's funny that everyone else has to spend $1,000 per copy to fully uncripple Windows 7 though | Jan 08 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's just too funny | Jan 08 20:17 |
| MinceR | not so funny if people normally don't get to make an informed and free decision whether to use that piece of crap | Jan 08 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | they figure they give you the practice drugs so that later, it's what everyone knows and buys on the company expense account | Jan 08 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | they actually do have a crippleware server for much less money that's based on XP | Jan 08 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you buy if you need a "Home Server" | Jan 08 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | it'd be easier if you could just manage all your other PCs and your XBOX 360 from Linux, but you can't | Jan 08 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | so they make another sale to let you use one box to manage all else | Jan 08 20:22 |
| MinceR | no, that's not what i buy if i need a home server | Jan 08 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | "If you no longer qualify as a student (by failing to meet the definition of "YOU" above)... | Jan 08 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 08 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | I can fail to meet the definition of me | Jan 08 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | according to Microsoft | Jan 08 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | well then who am I? :P | Jan 08 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | but if you're no longer a student, it says you can continue to use the software you downloaded before that point under the terms of the OEM license for that piece of software | Jan 08 20:26 |
| MinceR | remember, they're mostly lawyers | Jan 08 20:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wifey: "Fill the dishwasher up with salt". Me: "We have _bags_ of salt!?". Bah! #fb | Jan 08 20:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lobbyists Dodge the Law; #BillGates Lobbies the US Education System with Another $10 Million | Jan 08 20:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lobbyists Dodge the Law; #BillGates Lobbies the US #Education System with Another $10 Million http://ur1.ca/jd2b | Jan 08 20:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | XNA Game Studio is on DreamSpark :P | Jan 08 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | iirc, Sony used to let you make your own Playstation games with some kit sold separately | Jan 08 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | it flopped | Jan 08 21:00 |
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| DaemonFC | they want you to make games so they can charge you money to put them on XBOX Live Arcade | Jan 08 21:02 |
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| DaemonFC | these kinds of things never work out well | Jan 08 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | be it Apple, Microsoft, Palm... | Jan 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz better idea: force manufacturers to ship also other OS, Ballot screen for OS ;-)" http://identi.ca/notice/18519702 | Jan 08 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | cause they'll do crap like charge you to put it on there to be given away, make you license it so it's not open source, leave buggy old versions of your app on their store while you wrestle with them to get the update on there | Jan 08 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | [20:12] <DaemonFC> are you sure he's a shill? | Jan 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I never said he was a "Shill" | Jan 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | He's not | Jan 08 21:05 |
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| MinceR | maybe he's just a garden-variety idiot/fanboy | Jan 08 21:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: Two Parallel #KDE 4 Sessions on One PC (Dualseat) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/08/kde-concurrent-users/ #playogg | Jan 08 21:14 | |
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| schestowitz | ping tessier | Jan 08 21:24 |
| tessier | pong | Jan 08 21:25 |
| tessier | Looks like the load avg is a bit high... | Jan 08 21:25 |
| tessier | mysql is screaming again | Jan 08 21:25 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 08 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | There's three officially supported distributions by AMD/ATI | Jan 08 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL, Suse, and Ubuntu | Jan 08 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | everything else might work, but don't bother them if it doesn't | Jan 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | tessier: some pages won't load | Jan 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | If it takes too long to load them, e.g. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/16/msbbc-daemonises-the-eu/ | Jan 08 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen Nvidia drivers just fail to build a module and work like this | Jan 08 21:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How Microsoft Daemonises the EU Commission and Advertises Vista 7, with the MSBBCs Help | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 322.21 KB | Jan 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | tessier: oh, i see... | Jan 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It loaded now | Jan 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it has a timeout thing | Jan 08 21:30 |
| tessier | Looks like it is loading... | Jan 08 21:30 |
| tessier | yeah | Jan 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | So it needed to recache that... phew! :-) | Jan 08 21:30 |
| tessier | I still don't understand why the cache rate is so low. :( | Jan 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | tessier: another small thing | Jan 08 21:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Vegan dude on "Kill it, Cook it, Eat it" comes over as a pompous prick. That is all. #fb | Jan 08 21:30 | |
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| tessier | 34% currently. Should be over 90. | Jan 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | In the Wiki entrance page front page), the RSS feeds don't show up as text and I'm not sure why | Jan 08 21:31 |
| tessier | hmm...nothing I've done should affect that. Let me take a look... | Jan 08 21:31 |
| schestowitz | It's using magpie to fetch the main RSS feed from the wiki | Jan 08 21:31 |
| tessier | What is using magpie? | Jan 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: all in all, the site may have about 12k distinct "pages" (WordPress makes some abundance that I cannot prevent) | Jan 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier: MediaWiki | Jan 08 21:32 |
| schestowitz | It has a plugin that has Magpie probe the RSS feed and cache that too | Jan 08 21:32 |
| tessier | Number of distinct pages is no problem. | Jan 08 21:32 |
| tessier | 927272960 . . bytes allocated | Jan 08 21:33 |
| tessier | 14550581248 . . bytes free | Jan 08 21:33 |
| tessier | I have around 15G for cache and only 927M is being used. | Jan 08 21:33 |
| tessier | Some pages like /wiki/index.php/Main_Page just refuse to get cached. | Jan 08 21:33 |
| tessier | /2009/07/16/msbbc-daemonises-the-eu/ isn't getting cached either for some reason. So the db gets hit every time someone loads the page. | Jan 08 21:33 |
| tessier | That makes the site slow. | Jan 08 21:33 |
| tessier | That msbbc page is very active right now for some reason. | Jan 08 21:34 |
| tessier | wordpress is telling varnish not to cache it and I'm not sure why. | Jan 08 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe the comment thing. | Jan 08 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's usually pages with many threaded comments that cause slowness | Jan 08 21:35 |
| tessier | But those pages should be cached for a certain length of time. | Jan 08 21:36 |
| tessier | So hot pages only get re-generated every 1 minute or 5 minutes or however long you are willing to accept a little delay in order to keep the system alive during DoS or slashdotting | Jan 08 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How many years of our lives have we wasted looking at funny pictures on the Internet? And thinking this is somehow better than television? | Jan 08 21:37 | |
| tessier | It IS better than television! | Jan 08 21:38 |
| schestowitz | It seems like other wiki pages also fail to load the RSS feed. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Articles_Portal | Jan 08 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | NewPP limit report | Jan 08 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Preprocessor node count: 17/1000000 | Jan 08 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Template argument size: 0/2097152 bytes | Jan 08 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Expensive parser function count: 0/100 | Jan 08 21:40 |
| schestowitz | --> | Jan 08 21:40 |
| tessier | I get the rss icon at the top of those pages | Jan 08 21:40 |
| tessier | And when I click on it I see the feed | Jan 08 21:40 |
| schestowitz | That's what it says where the feeds usually get displayed | Jan 08 21:40 |
| tessier | oh you mean in the page itself | Jan 08 21:41 |
| schestowitz | tessier: the plugin would run and show the blog feed in the page as text | Jan 08 21:41 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, it's like something doesn't want to give it the feed or something | Jan 08 21:41 |
| tessier | What is a feed url it is trying to pull? Can you give me an example? | Jan 08 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-rss2.php and http://boycottnovell.com/category/news-roundup/feed/ | Jan 08 21:43 |
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| tessier | So the website pulls its own rss feed and displays it in the page? | Jan 08 21:45 |
| tessier | ah...I know what the issue might be...let me test something... | Jan 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | COol, thanks | Jan 08 21:46 |
| schestowitz | And yes, the site feeds on its feeds :-) there's caching on these too, such that it doesn't refetch each pageload | Jan 08 21:46 |
| tessier | Try it now... | Jan 08 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Cool!! | Jan 08 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it all works now (both pages) | Jan 08 21:48 |
| tessier | For some reason the server cannot resolve boycottnovell.com itself. I have added it to /etc/hosts for now while I figure out why the DNS server won't resolve that. It is authoritative for that domain even. But it is being given the internal view so it can do recursive lookups. Hmm... | Jan 08 21:49 |
| ender2070 | be careful | Jan 08 21:51 |
| tessier | Ah. I see. boycottnovell.com isn't in the internal view, only the external. Split DNS is such a pain. Soon I will set up separate nameservers for internal recursive and external. That's how it should be anyway. | Jan 08 21:51 |
| ender2070 | your public troubleshooting was documented as incompetence | Jan 08 21:51 |
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| ender2070 | "FLASH: Roy Attacks His Own Site! " | Jan 08 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Is it due to redirects that are used? | Jan 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | ender: no, lies from the trolls | Jan 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> lies as usual | Jan 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <schestowitz> They obviously don't want to understand that tessier had just enabler the proxy, so my habit of tossing out the DOS floods targeted the IP of the proxy | Jan 08 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <schestowitz> I flushed the blacklist within about 20 minutes | Jan 08 21:54 |
| tessier | huh? | Jan 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | The other day I set iptables on the wrong IP | Jan 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I then removed that IP from the list | Jan 08 21:56 |
| tessier | ah, right. That's why you wanted the command to delete a rule. | Jan 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | yes, I'm not fluent at this command | Jan 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I found it in the manuals eventually | Jan 08 21:57 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - i know about how much the idiot lies | Jan 08 22:01 |
| tessier | Which idiot are we talking about? | Jan 08 22:01 |
| ender2070 | the one with the crazy sycophants | Jan 08 22:02 |
| ender2070 | the dildo enthusiast | Jan 08 22:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Guardian Sells Out to #Microsoft Again -- Claim http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/08/guardian-sells-out-claim/ | Jan 08 22:05 | |
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| schestowitz | tabs act weird suddenly. back in a sec | Jan 08 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Jan 08 22:07 |
| schestowitz | It was acting weirdly like no time before | Jan 08 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Mutex and the troll from BBN are commenting a lot in BN again | Jan 08 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It usually happens when they get annoyed by the site, which means we do something right | Jan 08 22:09 |
| ender2070 | yeah thats true | Jan 08 22:10 |
| ender2070 | or they have nothing better to do | Jan 08 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Orange moves into banking http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1568054/orange-moves-banking | Jan 08 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Ebooks are the next hot gadgets http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1568066/ebooks-hot-gadgets Good for Linux but also for DRM sadly | Jan 08 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Linus dosn't mind DRM... or the GPL which he seems to be using for "practical" reasons alone.. attracting vendors and devs | Jan 08 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/us_jobs_report_dec2009/ and they say "the recession is over" | Jan 08 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/vispa_ddoa/ | Jan 08 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/08/david-cameron-s-chief-spin-doctor-steve-hilton-the-shameful-secrets-of-cyclopath-115875-21951336/ | Jan 08 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Arrested | Jan 08 22:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/08/carol-bartz-gives-self-a-b | Jan 08 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1105_signs.jpg [IMG] | Jan 08 22:35 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: so what have you heard i've not been around linux all that much lately, been very busy with real life LOL: has feodra stabalized at all or is it forever buggy and what about ubuntu, I suppose its never going to give up on its dear mono ;) | Jan 08 22:36 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: though the gnote thing alone should have been a first clue to them | Jan 08 22:37 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | Jan 08 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10429544-52.html | Jan 08 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: they use gnote | Jan 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | You can use Fedora, which works very well | Jan 08 22:46 |
| neighborlee | well wow one step in the right direction I guess | Jan 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 08 22:46 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I want to very badly..but fedora has for so long been so buggy for me..sound was always a nasty one fo rme and my onboard audio chipo | Jan 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2010/01/08/business/bus01.txt | Jan 08 22:47 |
| neighborlee | chip | Jan 08 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe you have Linux-hostile h/w | Jan 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I never had hardware issues with Linux.... like ever | Jan 08 22:47 |
| neighborlee | wish I had been so lucky | Jan 08 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes the webcam doesn't work out of the box, but that's all | Jan 08 22:47 |
| neighborlee | yup common | Jan 08 22:48 |
| neighborlee | depending on hardware ;)heh | Jan 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Depends on what camera one buys | Jan 08 22:48 |
| neighborlee | but yeah mine is old'ish, so im sure mine would be ugly too :)) | Jan 08 22:48 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 08 22:48 |
| neighborlee | definitely | Jan 08 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Does this run Linux: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8446959.stm | Jan 08 22:51 |
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| neighborlee | gosh I hope so, that would rock | Jan 08 22:52 |
| neighborlee | yeah,,amazon needs some competition, bring down that price baby ;)) | Jan 08 22:52 |
| neighborlee | are you listening AMA ? ;)) | Jan 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.4-rc1.php | Jan 08 22:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: KDE - Software Compilation 4.4 RC1 Release Announcement .::. Size~: 17.99 KB | Jan 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Give 4.4 a shot when it's out. 4.3 is already very good | Jan 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: almost all ereaders run Linux | Jan 08 22:52 |
| schestowitz | But I need concrete proof to make s/t out of it | Jan 08 22:53 |
| neighborlee | ic yes | Jan 08 22:53 |
| neighborlee | yeah kde all the way! ;) | Jan 08 22:53 |
| neighborlee | gnome who ? ;)) | Jan 08 22:53 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 08 22:53 |
| schestowitz | http://socializedsoftware.com/2010/01/08/mysql-and-postgressql-jobs-on-the-rise-oracle-job-postings-decline/ | Jan 08 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: gnome is good too | Jan 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I like gnome, it's mono I worry about | Jan 08 22:57 |
| neighborlee | yeah, but they are integrating mono in gnome..tomboy asin | Jan 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I got hooked on KDE cause it's the first I used a decade ago.... and then later SuSE got me more hooked on it | Jan 08 22:58 |
| neighborlee | unless they removed it and included gnote instead, then im better with it ;) | Jan 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 has foresight right now | Jan 08 22:58 |
| neighborlee | that and debian of course forces mono now , unless that also has changed | Jan 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It's stablising in Qt4, which Nokia handles oK | Jan 08 22:58 |
| neighborlee | gnome-desktop or whatever its called | Jan 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | It's reaching out to more platforms too, which gnome is not doing yet | Jan 08 22:59 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 08 22:59 |
| ender2070 | KDE SC 4.4 is a huge improvement over 4.3 | Jan 08 22:59 |
| neighborlee | nice | Jan 08 22:59 |
| neighborlee | ill be installing arch I think so with luck they have it available ;) | Jan 08 22:59 |
| ender2070 | I find it pretty sweet in Rawhide | Jan 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/christian-groups-slams-selfmutilating-obama-appointee/ | Jan 08 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2010/01/07/geithners-fed-told-aig-to-hide-backdoor-bailout/ | Jan 08 23:01 |
| schestowitz | http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agWH9TNvdUCg&pos=1 | Jan 08 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | "Whoa NElly" as neighborlee sez | Jan 08 23:01 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 08 23:02 |
| neighborlee | self mutilating ????WTH??? | Jan 08 23:02 |
| neighborlee | omg, wth have I missed o-) | Jan 08 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1827-Goldman-Under-Fire-Again-Ponzi-Bonuses.html | Jan 08 23:03 |
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| trmanco | http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/11/bringing-theora-to-youtube-the-hard-way/ | Jan 08 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Pharmaceutical company funds documentary about over-eating | Jan 08 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/08/pharmaceutical-compa.html | Jan 08 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8377128.stm | Jan 08 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Messin' with Vista 7 ... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg2Ng | Jan 08 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] ASUS Eee PC 1201N Netbook On Linux Update .::. Size~: 16.37 KB | Jan 08 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Wow! | Jan 08 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell 's desktop manager and #Ximian founder quits. More details later. | Jan 08 23:31 | |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/18531206 | Jan 08 23:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Richard Stallman (rms) 's status on Friday, 08-Jan-10 23:08:26 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.47 KB | Jan 08 23:35 |
| schestowitz | http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/01/40-days-since-we-asked-microsoft-ceo-steve-ballmer-for-transparency.html | Jan 08 23:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 40 Days Since We Asked Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer for Transparency - Microsoft Tax Dodge .::. Size~: 26.51 KB | Jan 08 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.aetnanet.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=19542 | Jan 08 23:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: AetnaNet - suite OpenOffice.org gratuita, con licenza open source, .::. Size~: 58.38 KB | Jan 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Scott M. Fulton has been boosting Microsoft a lot recently and here he goes again http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/69053.html | Jan 08 23:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux News: Mobile: Nexus One: Where's the Revolution? .::. Size~: 68.8 KB | Jan 08 23:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Bad romance. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/25457.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/539214.html | Jan 08 23:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva | Bad romance. .::. Size~: 28.1 KB | Jan 08 23:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: reddragdiva: Bad romance. .::. Size~: 18.86 KB | Jan 08 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Why bother with a word processor in basic education? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-08-016-35-OS-DP-0004 | Jan 08 23:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Danish Schoolchildren Complaints About OpenOffice .::. Size~: 76 KB | Jan 08 23:43 |
| ender2070 | hahahaa | Jan 08 23:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Jan 08 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | this I gotta read | Jan 08 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'd respond, "Patches welcome, you little shits." | Jan 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: language. | Jan 08 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | sorry :) | Jan 08 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | most likely this idiom is less offensive where i come from ) | Jan 08 23:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Trying out SeeSaw @seesawtv online TV (BBC, C4, C5. Looks nice so far. Be nice to run it under Boxee/XBMC | Jan 08 23:57 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I know :-) | Jan 08 23:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | np | Jan 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | But let's not feed the trolls who scour the site looking for dirt | Jan 08 23:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-Project-Board-Starts-into-2010 | Jan 08 23:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] b3ta explains homeopathy http://is.gd/5VUl1 | Jan 08 23:59 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Also playing with a pro version of Etherpad setup by the @uupc genius @daviey | Jan 08 23:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 08 23:59 |
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