| neighborlee | go him | Jan 10 00:00 |
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| MinceR | or they could take a hint from m$ and leave irc for m$n im | Jan 10 00:00 |
| MinceR | (or WLM or whatever it's called this time of the day) | Jan 10 00:00 |
| MinceR | m$ did give up on irc after ircx and comic chat after all | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | vexorian said, | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | Jan 10 00:01 | |
| neighborlee | June 30, 2009 at 9:50 pm | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | Gravatar | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | Jan 10 00:01 | |
| neighborlee | Just installing ubuntu and then removing Mono is not a solution. It is a patch. | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | see,,it aint JUST ME | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | dont shoot the messenger'' | Jan 10 00:01 |
| MinceR | so you're a "messenger" now? | Jan 10 00:01 |
| neighborlee | is that a bad thing ? | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | oh wait..I guess it prob is to you..bah- | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | its a 'phrase' | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | ever heard it ? | Jan 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | seems like a half-assed attempt to claim it isn't really your position | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | phrases tend to have meanings | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | no,it means I agree with it,,in this case | Jan 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | have you heard of that? | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | duh | Jan 10 00:02 |
| neighborlee | I agree with h is opinion, in this case | Jan 10 00:03 |
| neighborlee | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/30/mono-opposition-grows/ < from here if you want to read his entire post | Jan 10 00:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: More People Say “No” to Mono, Including the Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 143.86 KB | Jan 10 00:03 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: remind me to look him up next time he's online ;) | Jan 10 00:04 |
| schestowitz | IDG is attacking Google again: http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/01/08/2352202/Google-Faces-Deluge-of-Nexus-One-Complaints | Jan 10 00:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Mobile Story | Google Faces Deluge of Nexus One Complaints .::. Size~: 176.58 KB | Jan 10 00:04 |
| neighborlee | id LOVE to have a nexus one..at those prices,,later ! ;) | Jan 10 00:04 |
| neighborlee | only people complaining will be apple :))heh | Jan 10 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I'd like a nice PDA | Jan 10 00:05 |
| neighborlee | oh wait M$ doesnt' like oss either I suppose they might too ;)<haa> | Jan 10 00:05 |
| neighborlee | ditto dat | Jan 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | i'd like a nice pda/phone | Jan 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | But they are saddled with phone functionality | Jan 10 00:05 |
| neighborlee | never get a iphone then ;) | Jan 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | say, if n900 supported headset adapters | Jan 10 00:06 |
| neighborlee | ipod touch mayyyyyb e | Jan 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | iphone is not a phone | Jan 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | and had a digital compass | Jan 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | It's a toy with shiny icons and adverts | Jan 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | the hypePhone is a lame featurephone | Jan 10 00:06 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jan 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Not even copy and paste until recently | Jan 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | The 1990s called..... they want Apple to learn from them | Jan 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | even my first phone allowed j2me apps to be installed from any source | Jan 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | (samsung sgh-c100) | Jan 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | the hypePhone only allows apps to be installed from the crApp store | Jan 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | and even they're killswitched | Jan 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | People think they are privileged if they buy Apple wares... like people who order "Coke" | Jan 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | Coke is a privilege now? :D | Jan 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | THey don't choose coke for ingredients | Jan 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | I.e. water, acid, sugar | Jan 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | They choose it for hot wo/men in some ads that say NOTHIG about the product | Jan 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | s/sugar/HFCS/ | Jan 10 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Same with HypePhone | Jan 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 10 00:08 |
| schestowitz | "Wow! It's Apple. L@@k." | Jan 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | latatk? :> | Jan 10 00:08 |
| schestowitz | ???? | Jan 10 00:08 |
| schestowitz | can iphone make calls? | Jan 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | So could cellphones in 1990 or the 80s even | Jan 10 00:09 |
| MinceR | it's supposed to be able to do so | Jan 10 00:09 |
| MinceR | not sure if it can reliably do so, though | Jan 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | THe carriers do all the work | Jan 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | But iPhone is tied to Bush's army of fascistic snoopers | Jan 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | AT&T | Jan 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | They censor bands even | Jan 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Apple make a good pairing with them | Jan 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Real phones are just phones | Jan 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Not a conract | Jan 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Which is enforced by kill switches, DRM, and hostile updates | Jan 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Xbox is the same | Jan 10 00:10 |
| MinceR | unlocked phones are phones without a contract :> | Jan 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | You can't own Xbox 360 | Jan 10 00:10 |
| MinceR | many phones are available that way | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | You can only rant the bugger until it RRODs | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | *Rant | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | >*rent | Jan 10 00:11 |
| MinceR | rent | Jan 10 00:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | People buy their phones for 4 times their cost | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Like $2000 | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | They just pay over time | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Ripoff | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | They could use VoIP on phones | Jan 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Then pay for Wi-Fi, which is cheaper | Jan 10 00:11 |
| MinceR | i've bought 3 phones so far, all of them without a provider lock | Jan 10 00:12 |
| schestowitz | But Apple and AT&buggers attack VoIP too | Jan 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | Wi-Fi lacks the coverage though | Jan 10 00:12 |
| schestowitz | !google at&t voip iphone ban | Jan 10 00:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - AT&T | Wireless, DSL Internet, U-verse, Digital TV, and Phone Service | http://www.att.com/ | Jan 10 00:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Play Games - Free Online Games at AddictingGames! | http://www.addictinggames.com/ | Jan 10 00:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Home - Appalachian Trail Conservancy | http://www.appalachiantrail.org/ | Jan 10 00:12 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - University of California, Berkeley | http://berkeley.edu/ | Jan 10 00:12 |
| neighborlee | http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX < im not anti linux | Jan 10 00:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why you should use OpenGL and not DirectX - Wolfire Games Blog .::. Size~: 36.8 KB | Jan 10 00:12 |
| neighborlee | latrez | Jan 10 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Later, neighborlee | Jan 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | is that single link supposed to convince us all against all that noise before? | Jan 10 00:13 |
| *MinceR checks if he has a sign saying "gullible" stuck to him anywhere | Jan 10 00:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @27bslash6 Butthurt Report Form (Internet Version): http://www.27bslash6.com/brf.jpg | Jan 10 00:14 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 10 00:14 |
| _goblin | Wintrolls tried a clever one tonight..... | Jan 10 00:16 |
| _goblin | failed badly though... | Jan 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | seems to me you can just use Kubuntu and then mono won't get installed by default | Jan 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR, _goblin other EU residents: http://petition.stopsoftwarepatents.eu/ | Jan 10 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Pls sign | Jan 10 00:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Stop Software Patents Petition .::. Size~: 14.73 KB | Jan 10 00:25 |
| _goblin | can't....sorry Roy.... | Jan 10 00:26 |
| _goblin | Im not allowed to sign petitions | Jan 10 00:27 |
| MinceR | i probably will | Jan 10 00:27 |
| MinceR | _goblin: why? | Jan 10 00:27 |
| _goblin | my job | Jan 10 00:28 |
| _goblin | does not allow it. | Jan 10 00:28 |
| MinceR | what's your job? | Jan 10 00:28 |
| _goblin | Sorry, I don't mention it. Its not exciting or anything. I like my anon status. | Jan 10 00:29 |
| _goblin | What I will say is that it has nothing to do with the IT industry | Jan 10 00:29 |
| schestowitz | tessier: there? | Jan 10 00:34 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: fair enough, it's understandable | Jan 10 00:34 |
| schestowitz | You support us in absentia :) | Jan 10 00:35 |
| _goblin | and I will link the petition | Jan 10 00:35 |
| _goblin | and retweet it. | Jan 10 00:35 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] No, a nearby supernova won't wipe us out http://ur1.ca/jgj3 #science #badstronomy | Jan 10 00:38 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: No, a nearby supernova wont wipe us out | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine .::. Size~: 114.83 KB | Jan 10 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets try that again | Jan 10 00:39 |
| schestowitz | There is no bad science or astronomy | Jan 10 00:40 |
| schestowitz | There is no bad science or astronomy | Jan 10 00:41 |
| schestowitz | If it's bad, then it's not science or astronomy | Jan 10 00:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: there is bad astronomy | Jan 10 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Nothing is relative, time is | Jan 10 00:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a pretty good column. | Jan 10 00:42 |
| schestowitz | But only based on a viewpoint | Jan 10 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I can learn to condense it more ;-p | Jan 10 00:43 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] No, a nearby supernova won't wipe us out http://ur1.ca/jgj3 #science #badastronomy | Jan 10 00:43 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: No, a nearby supernova wont wipe us out | Bad Astronomy | Discover Magazine .::. Size~: 114.83 KB | Jan 10 00:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | slow bot is slow | Jan 10 00:43 |
| schestowitz | or site is slow to respond | Jan 10 00:44 |
| MinceR | or it's polled | Jan 10 00:45 |
| MinceR | every 5 minutes, as it seems :> | Jan 10 00:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186488/Are_Tablet_PCs_Destined_to_Flop.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 10 00:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Are Tablet PCs Destined to Flop? - PC World .::. Size~: 71.11 KB | Jan 10 00:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 1 minute for Tweeewwwwwww | Jan 10 00:46 |
| MinceR | lol @ expecting voice recognition to make tablets capable of replacing systems with keyboards | Jan 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | For some tasks | Jan 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | But it's better for phones | Jan 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | If I sit down I can type more precisely | Jan 10 00:48 |
| schestowitz | If I walk, I can;t | Jan 10 00:48 |
| MinceR | i can type on a thumbboard while walking :) | Jan 10 00:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc | Jan 10 00:50 |
| schestowitz | This is funny | Jan 10 00:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc#t=60 | Jan 10 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Wow! Fast programming with voice... NOT! | Jan 10 00:50 |
| MinceR | i remember seeing pants-mounted keyboard in an anime, those would be nice :) | Jan 10 00:51 |
| MinceR | or maybe a virtual keyboard with AR glasses and feedback gloves :> | Jan 10 00:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/186422/how_to_see_past_the_ces_2010_hype_machine.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 10 00:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: How to See Past the CES 2010 Hype Machine - PC World .::. Size~: 70.89 KB | Jan 10 00:52 |
| MinceR | rotfl | Jan 10 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They forget to say it runs LINUX: http://www.pcworld.com/article/186411/litl_webbook_review.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 10 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hands On With the Litl Webbook - PC World .::. Size~: 79.68 KB | Jan 10 00:55 |
| schestowitz | 'Forget' rather | Jan 10 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Jan 10 00:55 |
| MinceR | ibm did (that is, licensed) voice recognition so far ahead of m$ | Jan 10 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Ages ago | Jan 10 01:01 |
| schestowitz | I was in like mid teens grade when a mate of mine trained a recogniser (IBM IIRC) | Jan 10 01:02 |
| schestowitz | It was about 100 MB | Jan 10 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft brings back old stuff | Jan 10 01:02 |
| MinceR | gn | Jan 10 01:02 |
| schestowitz | UMPC, touchscreen, voice dictation. | Jan 10 01:02 |
| MinceR | m$ is the trailing edge of technology | Jan 10 01:02 |
| schestowitz | They have more CPU at their disposal now, that's all | Jan 10 01:02 |
| schestowitz | TEchnology? | Jan 10 01:03 |
| schestowitz | They are a marketing company | Jan 10 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Take PARC, market, market, market, market, market, market, market, | Jan 10 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Then use Guardian to parrot nonsense | Jan 10 01:03 |
| cubezzz | I thought Guardian was critical of Microsoft? | Jan 10 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guardian isnt exactly the world's best media source | Jan 10 01:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/04/new-scanners-child-porn-laws | Jan 10 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Look what they make of us humans | Jan 10 01:17 |
| schestowitz | We're treated like cattle now | Jan 10 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Fox is best | Jan 10 01:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s | Jan 10 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "Someone in Japan could face a prison sentence, if the marijuana planted in his suitcase by a customs officer gets found later by police. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#08%20January%202010%20%28Forged%20evidence%20cases%29 | Jan 10 01:20 |
| schestowitz | The US Gulag: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100104/stevens | Jan 10 01:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: for lolnews? yeah | Jan 10 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Nationwide alert after anthrax-tainted heroin kills six addicts in Scotland http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=80e260b3839daf2084fdeb0965ad31ab | Jan 10 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/07/heroin-anthrax-kills-addicts-scotland Maybe they should do more of that | Jan 10 01:25 |
| schestowitz | gets rid of the junkie problem | Jan 10 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: see the URL I added. I joked of course. | Jan 10 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | A lot of bad English here:http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Microsoft-Windows-Azure-to-open-new-vistas-in-cloud-space/564145/ | Jan 10 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "Does the support for industry standard and collaboration with open source software themes figure as a fallout of EU competition case against Microsoft?" | Jan 10 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft nonsense about "open:" | Jan 10 01:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cooltechzone.com/2010/01/06/apple-iphone-an-open-source-wasteland/ | Jan 10 01:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple iPhone: An Open Source Wasteland | CoolTechZone.com .::. Size~: 22.32 KB | Jan 10 01:36 |
| schestowitz | "Where are all the open source applications on the iPhone? Considering the vast quantity available for all three major desktop platforms, the iPhone app store looks like an open source wasteland by comparison. " | Jan 10 01:36 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been a good day, so much decent FOSS software looked at. Im winding down using VLOS, the latest distro to get the OB treatment! #linux | Jan 10 01:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One thing I have learned is that native gaming on Linux is very undermentioned. Savage 2, Planeshift, Regnum to name a few are fantastic! | Jan 10 01:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Then of course there's FreeCiv which takes a game I loved (Civilisation) and produces an original and improved take on it! #linux | Jan 10 01:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive got a massive amount of typing to do to document it all! To all those involved in these projects, thank you so much for your hard work. | Jan 10 01:48 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm......... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100109122651679 | Jan 10 02:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 12.16 KB | Jan 10 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Something's wrong | Jan 10 02:14 |
| schestowitz | I can't access it even while logged in | Jan 10 02:14 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: I dont have much choice atm for use of windows < hence why im there atm: im working on it obviously>, but I do when it comes to not using proprietary devices like iphone or ipod touch though a good friend has one..I have no great need really, so im waiting for much much lower prices & free apps/games is a huge plus , and the OS being /open/ is huge and why I never went ipod/touch | Jan 10 02:14 |
| neighborlee | ditto | Jan 10 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Hey, neighborlee | Jan 10 02:15 |
| neighborlee | I love her site | Jan 10 02:15 |
| neighborlee | hey | Jan 10 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about people hounding you | Jan 10 02:15 |
| neighborlee | major plus having her around for mono/moonlight bogus claims ;) | Jan 10 02:15 |
| schestowitz | But you did make some remarks that left you expose | Jan 10 02:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin yes, CES was a FOSS lovefest (tons of Linux esp.) | Jan 10 02:15 | |
| schestowitz | Like Debian being "sexist" | Jan 10 02:15 |
| neighborlee | yes but I really felt it was sexist | Jan 10 02:16 |
| neighborlee | and now look at them falling over themselves, accepting mono into debian | Jan 10 02:16 |
| neighborlee | to m e, its just part of a flawed ideology | Jan 10 02:16 |
| schestowitz | It was | Jan 10 02:16 |
| schestowitz | But it was not "Debian" | Jan 10 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Debian is thousand+ devs | Jan 10 02:16 |
| schestowitz | 5 Canonicals | Jan 10 02:17 |
| schestowitz | And almost as many engineers as Red Hat, just not full time | Jan 10 02:17 |
| neighborlee | and I dont worry about the hounding, but thx for your concern friend | Jan 10 02:17 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 10 02:17 |
| neighborlee | I can, 'take care of myself', anytime, anywhere, to anyone ;) | Jan 10 02:17 |
| schestowitz | yuhoung used to be seen as a shill | Jan 10 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Now he uses Linux and is being rational | Jan 10 02:17 |
| neighborlee | I can't imagine why..he seemed very nice to me | Jan 10 02:17 |
| schestowitz | So rather than being hostile and paining him grey we made a "convert" | Jan 10 02:18 |
| neighborlee | though yeah,,I could see maybe how he could be perceived as one ;) | Jan 10 02:18 |
| neighborlee | ic ;) | Jan 10 02:18 |
| schestowitz | The other day a former Softie came to my help | Jan 10 02:18 |
| schestowitz | He's the one who turned against Microsoft | Jan 10 02:18 |
| neighborlee | softie ? | Jan 10 02:18 |
| neighborlee | hmmm | Jan 10 02:18 |
| schestowitz | There's quite a few of them | Jan 10 02:18 |
| schestowitz | CharlesP, Reifman, Curtis... | Jan 10 02:19 |
| neighborlee | microsoft makes enemies easily | Jan 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | They turn into 'anti-Microsoft' animals | Jan 10 02:19 |
| _goblin | Mr Wong has got quite a sordid set of allegations that follow him around.... | Jan 10 02:19 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jan 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Apparently they get off the kool-aid and realise what their employer was really doing | Jan 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | They finally see it from the outside, knowing some inside secrets too | Jan 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Like how Microsoft developer | Jan 10 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Or how Microsoft cooks the book (fraud) | Jan 10 02:19 |
| neighborlee | indeed | Jan 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Or how it evades tax | Jan 10 02:20 |
| neighborlee | imagine that | Jan 10 02:20 |
| neighborlee | too many darn loopholes | Jan 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: he did? | Jan 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I suspect he has spamming thing going on at Twitter | Jan 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Like he was boosting his crackjob | Jan 10 02:20 |
| _goblin | Mr Wong appeared on my site.... | Jan 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | He stopped (or 'they') after I had posted an exposition of it | Jan 10 02:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: did he??? | Jan 10 02:21 |
| _goblin | he made a few comments, I understand he heads up the MS evangelist team. | Jan 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | WHat did he say>? | Jan 10 02:21 |
| neighborlee | if im wrong about debian 'women' so be it I apologize,,what I had read seemed to indicate a longtime coming apology to her though..if im wrong I say so im a man. | Jan 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | He tracks people vis Twitter and does his job | Jan 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | "Evangelisation" | Jan 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | He brags about being SEO/networking thing | Jan 10 02:21 |
| _goblin | I'll have to check back....it was my response to his article "The curious case of Boycott Novell".....I wrote an article response to it. | Jan 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: show me the comments | Jan 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: ah wait | Jan 10 02:21 |
| neighborlee | are we talking about yuwong the guy that came in earlier ? | Jan 10 02:22 |
| neighborlee | hm | Jan 10 02:22 |
| schestowitz | If he responded to a post ABOUT him, that's nothing unusual | Jan 10 02:22 |
| _goblin | got it | Jan 10 02:22 |
| _goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/a-case-of-not-so-curious-opinion/ | Jan 10 02:22 |
| neighborlee | or whatever his nick was | Jan 10 02:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A case of not so curious opinion « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 63.01 KB | Jan 10 02:22 |
| schestowitz | I thought he pulled a mutex/darryl on you | Jan 10 02:22 |
| schestowitz | The trolls are very busy in BN these days | Jan 10 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Esp. in comments, a little in IRC | Jan 10 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Mutex went mad in the comments | Jan 10 02:22 |
| neighborlee | sorry if I came off a bit HEAVY earlier | Jan 10 02:22 |
| neighborlee | just read vexorian's comments, and i was like YAY I feel exactly the same !! ;) | Jan 10 02:23 |
| _goblin | This comment from Mr Wong made me laugh though (when I corrected him about LinXXX) | Jan 10 02:23 |
| schestowitz | vexorian/algorithm is good | Jan 10 02:23 |
| schestowitz | He also posts in /. | Jan 10 02:23 |
| neighborlee | ahh ic | Jan 10 02:23 |
| _goblin | I didn’t realize that Lin###.org is not a “Linux community”. In fact, upon a second visit to the site, I realize that is is far from being representative of the Linux community. I have updated my blog entry to reflect this fact. | Jan 10 02:23 |
| schestowitz | His disdain of mono and lip service to vala is not new | Jan 10 02:23 |
| _goblin | sorry the above is Mr Wongs words | Jan 10 02:23 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: ah | Jan 10 02:23 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it's an anti-Linux site | Jan 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz | They sort of admitted this | Jan 10 02:24 |
| _goblin | that was a quote from Mr Wong | Jan 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz | And it's similar to the other operations that are run to smear me and others | Jan 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Even the FSF | Jan 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz | From the same umbrella | Jan 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz | I got some private E-mail about it today | Jan 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: OK, missed the quotes there | Jan 10 02:25 |
| _goblin | I'll start again. Mr Wong said on my blog (after I corrected him about the Linxxx.org) - "I didn’t realize that Linsux.org is not a “Linux community”. In fact, upon a second visit to the site, I realize that is is far from being representative of the Linux community. I have updated my blog entry to reflect this fact." | Jan 10 02:25 |
| neighborlee | any i dea btw..was a ECMA license ever received by ITWire ?? | Jan 10 02:25 |
| schestowitz | LinSUX is self explanatory | Jan 10 02:25 |
| schestowitz | the "sux" does not refer to oral pleasures | Jan 10 02:25 |
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| neighborlee | LOL | Jan 10 02:25 |
| _goblin | apparently not immediately so for Mr Wong | Jan 10 02:25 |
| schestowitz | ANd the Wong shill compared me to Ubabombr there | Jan 10 02:26 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jan 10 02:26 |
| schestowitz | *Unabomber | Jan 10 02:26 |
| schestowitz | I can't type well | Jan 10 02:26 |
| _goblin | it took him a second visit (and a hint from me) | Jan 10 02:26 |
| neighborlee | OUCH | Jan 10 02:26 |
| _goblin | Ive been called an extremist today..... | Jan 10 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Some other Microsoft shills also played that card of comparing me to a serial killer | Jan 10 02:26 |
| _goblin | I'll add that to my "jihad" Im supposed to be running.. | Jan 10 02:26 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: absurd | Jan 10 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Some do that to RMS | Jan 10 02:26 |
| neighborlee | imagine that ;) | Jan 10 02:26 |
| oiaohm | They are foolish. | Jan 10 02:27 |
| neighborlee | indeed | Jan 10 02:27 |
| _goblin | Im waiting for the zealot then I'll have the complete set. | Jan 10 02:27 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jan 10 02:27 |
| oiaohm | History is moving | Jan 10 02:27 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Jan 10 02:27 |
| schestowitz | the new "Nazi" is "Taliban" | Jan 10 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Most of the trolls don't know the days of multi cpu's competing for desktop space. | Jan 10 02:27 |
| schestowitz | !google boyoctt novell godwin | Jan 10 02:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Welcome to Boycott "Boycott Novell!" | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/ | Jan 10 02:27 |
| neighborlee | scary stuff!! | Jan 10 02:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Attempts to 'Infect' Google's Android with Microsoft IP Tax ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/13/android-mono/ | Jan 10 02:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Boycott Boycott Novell and I « Off the Wall | http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/boycott-boycott-novell-and-i/ | Jan 10 02:27 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Godwin 2.0 | fsdaily.com - Free Software News | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Godwin_2_0 | Jan 10 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Most grew up in the time x86 had basically taken over. | Jan 10 02:27 |
| neighborlee | these people are preyed upon | Jan 10 02:27 |
| schestowitz | They plant their nonsense there | Jan 10 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Calling me/us "taliban" | Jan 10 02:28 |
| oiaohm | So never saw items like c64 and the like. | Jan 10 02:28 |
| neighborlee | easily converted into 'killers' | Jan 10 02:28 |
| neighborlee | sigh< | Jan 10 02:28 |
| neighborlee | education will help curb it,,but its going to take a LONG time and alot of moooooooooola | Jan 10 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Really we are planing to destroy the states quo. | Jan 10 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Humans fear change. | Jan 10 02:28 |
| oiaohm | But change always has to happen. | Jan 10 02:28 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jan 10 02:28 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: some do yes | Jan 10 02:29 |
| neighborlee | sadly | Jan 10 02:29 |
| neighborlee | 'dont rock the boat' blah blah ;)) | Jan 10 02:29 |
| neighborlee | its a 'old' ideology | Jan 10 02:29 |
| oiaohm | People forget the Nazis and Taliban supporters both had the idea they were undefeatable because they were so strong. | Jan 10 02:29 |
| neighborlee | and a semi hip song from 70's ,or was that 80's LOL | Jan 10 02:29 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: true indeed | Jan 10 02:30 |
| neighborlee | that they had the power of 'right' on their side | Jan 10 02:30 |
| oiaohm | And people forget how Nazis and Taliban treated any one who resisted there ideas. | Jan 10 02:30 |
| neighborlee | death | Jan 10 02:30 |
| neighborlee | no tolerance | Jan 10 02:30 |
| neighborlee | the opposite of teachings of great teachers | Jan 10 02:31 |
| oiaohm | One of the most important things to remember. Normally items people compare you to is what they really are even if there normal thoughts don't know it. There sub mind knows it. | Jan 10 02:31 |
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| neighborlee | oiaohm: there is that yes ;) | Jan 10 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes the most common people to call someone rasist are rasist themselves and don't want to own up to it. | Jan 10 02:32 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 10 02:32 |
| oiaohm | This is pure human nature. | Jan 10 02:32 |
| neighborlee | it is | Jan 10 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Lot of US wish we could say it was not. | Jan 10 02:33 |
| neighborlee | owning up to it is first step to curing ;) | Jan 10 02:33 |
| neighborlee | ie: AA | Jan 10 02:33 |
| oiaohm | This side of human nature you cannot cure. | Jan 10 02:34 |
| oiaohm | You just learn to live with it and understand what you are doing. | Jan 10 02:34 |
| neighborlee | well I mean...bad lessons learned from childhood,,et cetera | Jan 10 02:34 |
| neighborlee | or bad peer pressure | Jan 10 02:34 |
| neighborlee | etc. | Jan 10 02:34 |
| oiaohm | Its not childhood the rules of human nature are the same all cultures around the world. | Jan 10 02:35 |
| oiaohm | We are basically born with it. | Jan 10 02:35 |
| neighborlee | airport bomber recently was a college grad,,but he got in the 'wrong' crowed, and voila,,instant terrorist | Jan 10 02:35 |
| neighborlee | crowd | Jan 10 02:35 |
| oiaohm | That is not accepting responsablity for actions. | Jan 10 02:35 |
| oiaohm | The crowd humans use to justify the most harmful crimes. | Jan 10 02:35 |
| neighborlee | no i m ean..bad things in childhood can be tricky sometimes to overcome | Jan 10 02:36 |
| neighborlee | we are all different..some weaker willed due to varoius factors | Jan 10 02:36 |
| neighborlee | psychology is a very tricky subject I guarantee it | Jan 10 02:36 |
| oiaohm | I know I studied to for years neighborlee | Jan 10 02:36 |
| neighborlee | so you know then | Jan 10 02:36 |
| oiaohm | The basic core of all humans is the same. | Jan 10 02:36 |
| neighborlee | sure | Jan 10 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Experenices build on top of that. | Jan 10 02:37 |
| neighborlee | we're all subject to bad teachings | Jan 10 02:37 |
| neighborlee | depending on varoius factors ;) | Jan 10 02:37 |
| neighborlee | ious | Jan 10 02:37 |
| oiaohm | The major thing to deal with a bad past is accepting that you are responsible for your actions and not other peoples. | Jan 10 02:37 |
| neighborlee | well sure | Jan 10 02:38 |
| oiaohm | That is hard for a lot of people todo. | Jan 10 02:38 |
| neighborlee | its not always that easy thouhg oiaohm | Jan 10 02:38 |
| oiaohm | The hardest of all. Is excepting that nothing can be done about the past. And having to live for the future. | Jan 10 02:38 |
| neighborlee | quite | Jan 10 02:39 |
| oiaohm | You notice how many MS people try to use history to say that Linux will fail in future. | Jan 10 02:39 |
| tessier__ | grrrr | Jan 10 02:39 |
| tessier__ | I really hate commies. | Jan 10 02:39 |
| tessier__ | Not only did they recently execute the leader of a popular dissident website (or so I am told) but just today they they have started intercepting SIP phone calls. | Jan 10 02:40 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: typical,,when you have little else to argue ;) | Jan 10 02:40 |
| tessier__ | So now I have to make a change to my phone system and consider ways to encrypt the phone calls. | Jan 10 02:40 |
| tessier__ | The phones themselves don't do crypto afaik. Which means I am going to have to play some games with a VPN running from a secondary router which the phones can gateway through or something. | Jan 10 02:40 |
| neighborlee | :( | Jan 10 02:40 |
| oiaohm | History of something does not say if something will remain a failure in a future. Good example is the light bulb think how many attempts were made before the first one of them really worked. | Jan 10 02:41 |
| oiaohm | That is there big failure is that they have not read enough history it see examples where failures have won. | Jan 10 02:42 |
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| neighborlee | its not as if they care about the success ;)) | Jan 10 02:42 |
| oiaohm | The light bulb tells you some critical if the other side is determined enough there will be a winner. | Jan 10 02:43 |
| neighborlee | they dont want linux to succede therefore its better to cast doubt and make it irrelevant than try to deal head on fairly ;) | Jan 10 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Also they have not studied history of inventions. | Jan 10 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Lot of great inventors were told they were mad before there inventions work. | Jan 10 02:44 |
| neighborlee | just like only recenty do they have to include other browsers | Jan 10 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Trying to case doubt causes motivation to disprove them. | Jan 10 02:44 |
| neighborlee | and that messy IP ruling..what a major joke that was | Jan 10 02:44 |
| oiaohm | History tells you that everything the trolls are doing is stupidity. | Jan 10 02:44 |
| neighborlee | and mono supporters wonder why we distrust mono etal ?? | Jan 10 02:45 |
| neighborlee | o_9 | Jan 10 02:45 |
| neighborlee | o_0 | Jan 10 02:45 |
| oiaohm | History tells us it wise to resist Mono. | Jan 10 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Due to what MS has done in past. | Jan 10 02:45 |
| neighborlee | exactamongo | Jan 10 02:45 |
| neighborlee | 100% correct | Jan 10 02:45 |
| neighborlee | not to mention the facts we already know about it ;)) | Jan 10 02:45 |
| neighborlee | groklaw, etcetera | Jan 10 02:45 |
| oiaohm | And we have done homework. | Jan 10 02:46 |
| neighborlee | that we most certainly have | Jan 10 02:46 |
| oiaohm | We are trying to be constructive. | Jan 10 02:46 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 10 02:46 |
| oiaohm | If MS released the right IP coverage most of our trouble with mono would go away. | Jan 10 02:46 |
| neighborlee | you betcha | Jan 10 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Yet the supports want to make out that we are destructive. | Jan 10 02:47 |
| neighborlee | exactly | Jan 10 02:47 |
| neighborlee | we da bad guys heh | Jan 10 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Human nature again. | Jan 10 02:47 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 10 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Anyone who does not see it your way has to be a bad guy. | Jan 10 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Sad really. | Jan 10 02:48 |
| neighborlee | tis true | Jan 10 02:48 |
| oiaohm | We would have progressed a lot more as a race without that stupidity. | Jan 10 02:48 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Need to update emacs-goodies this week. | Jan 10 02:48 | |
| oiaohm | Ie a single race | Jan 10 02:48 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: tell that to the middle east conflict yes | Jan 10 02:48 |
| neighborlee | what a UGLY mess,, | Jan 10 02:48 |
| neighborlee | sad to think the land jesus walked,,is fillled with such hate | Jan 10 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Does not matter if its the middle east or usa gangs or crime lords it all works the same way. | Jan 10 02:49 |
| neighborlee | name your prophet..its endless | Jan 10 02:49 |
| neighborlee | of course yup | Jan 10 02:49 |
| oiaohm | You can almost tell were people live by where they point for examples of bad guys. | Jan 10 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Normally the furtherest away from where they are. | Jan 10 02:50 |
| oiaohm | People never want to admit these things are happening in there own back yard. | Jan 10 02:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been hit with some complaints about my use of IMO. Comments noted and I explained the basis for them... | Jan 10 02:50 | |
| oiaohm | You are powerless against stuff on the other side of world so you don't have to do anything about it.. | Jan 10 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Yet you have power in your own backyard. | Jan 10 02:51 |
| neighborlee | well | Jan 10 02:51 |
| neighborlee | yes and no | Jan 10 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Note I said almost | Jan 10 02:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since I actually agree, maybe a simple one time disclaimer is more suitable? Thanks for the polite constructive criticism! | Jan 10 02:51 | |
| neighborlee | if 'everyone' thought the same way, we/d have a great chance at making world peace VERY easy ;) | Jan 10 02:51 |
| oiaohm | 90 percent of a population are that way. | Jan 10 02:52 |
| oiaohm | We all do think the same kinds of ways that is the problem neighborlee | Jan 10 02:52 |
| neighborlee | reason I think about israel,,is my hero is jesus (* my upbringing only ), so I just hate to see jerusalem so hate filled, considering his messsage of 'peace' is so obvious | Jan 10 02:52 |
| neighborlee | 'love' isn't as easy to come by as you might think, even in the united states | Jan 10 02:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Google becoming "giant monopoly" - German minister" http://ur1.ca/jgoo have they abused to maginalise competition? | Jan 10 02:52 | |
| oiaohm | Human nature to have domination. | Jan 10 02:52 |
| neighborlee | yet jesus taught it non stop | Jan 10 02:52 |
| neighborlee | and others obviously | Jan 10 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Love means taking risks. | Jan 10 02:53 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: there is that yes | Jan 10 02:53 |
| neighborlee | to both counts ;) | Jan 10 02:53 |
| neighborlee | sell all your goods, and come follow me | Jan 10 02:53 |
| neighborlee | a rich man enter heaven , harder than passing throgh eye of needle ;)..etc. etc. | Jan 10 02:53 |
| neighborlee | poverty doesn't help though | Jan 10 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Getting rich normally means dominating others. | Jan 10 02:54 |
| oiaohm | So doing evil. | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | thats a MAJOR hurdle we must all get past | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | and education of course | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | health care | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | blah blah | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 10 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Note not all people to get rich get there by dominating. | Jan 10 02:54 |
| oiaohm | But they are a very small percentage. | Jan 10 02:54 |
| schestowitz | "Rich"by definition is about power over others | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | yes | Jan 10 02:54 |
| schestowitz | "Money" is a currency of control or subjugation | Jan 10 02:54 |
| neighborlee | definitely | Jan 10 02:54 |
| schestowitz | For example, paying a cab driver to drive you somewhere | Jan 10 02:55 |
| neighborlee | or atl east, it can be ;) | Jan 10 02:55 |
| neighborlee | and normally is | Jan 10 02:55 |
| neighborlee | usually I mean | Jan 10 02:55 |
| oiaohm | There is more than 1 way to get power over others schestowitz | Jan 10 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Or paying for some people in the production lines in China to make you a product | Jan 10 02:55 |
| oiaohm | One is to take it by force ie normally evil. | Jan 10 02:55 |
| oiaohm | The other is having them willing give it. | Jan 10 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 10 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Unions | Jan 10 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Being good enough to get it be willing giving it is far harder. | Jan 10 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Unions use force as well to get members. | Jan 10 02:56 |
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| oiaohm | Google would be a classic case of getting power willingly a lot. | Jan 10 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people use google because it returns the search results they want so google gets rich. | Jan 10 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Of course people who get power willing scare the crap out of people who have to use force to get power. | Jan 10 02:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, thats me done for the night. Its been quiet a good day for readership (over 1100 unique IPs) and Im hoping that will increase when.. | Jan 10 02:58 | |
| oiaohm | There are lot of examples of people getting power from willing and informed givers. Lot of them have been the most powerful people in history. | Jan 10 02:59 |
| neighborlee | well thank goodness google is there..bing might compete so thats a good thing I suppose <we'll see> | Jan 10 02:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I release my next couple of articles. Have you wondered how many accounts Microsoft has on Twitter? We ask the question. Also.. | Jan 10 02:59 | |
| neighborlee | not sure I like bing,,but the ads are OUT there thats for sure..saw a new one last night | Jan 10 03:00 |
| neighborlee | on cable I mean | Jan 10 03:00 |
| neighborlee | ;) | Jan 10 03:00 |
| neighborlee | I still usually use google. | Jan 10 03:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im looking at VLOS and a collection of Linux games which dismiss the myth regarding Linux and gaming. | Jan 10 03:00 | |
| neighborlee | I prefer its sear ch output | Jan 10 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Google will only stay on top while it has great results. | Jan 10 03:01 |
| neighborlee | exactly | Jan 10 03:01 |
| oiaohm | And no one else has better. | Jan 10 03:01 |
| cubezzz | what else is there? :) | Jan 10 03:01 |
| cubezzz | dont' say bing | Jan 10 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Problem is these days it almost impossible for anyone to have enough resources to catch google. | Jan 10 03:01 |
| neighborlee | there is that | Jan 10 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Even if MS threw ever cent they had at bing it most likely would not be enought to catch google. | Jan 10 03:02 |
| neighborlee | bing is trying ;) | Jan 10 03:02 |
| neighborlee | really hard lol | Jan 10 03:02 |
| cubezzz | the main thing is Google is not Microsoft | Jan 10 03:02 |
| neighborlee | whew<or we hope anyway> | Jan 10 03:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] We also have a Q&A with a chap who is working very hard in the FOSS world - an unsung hero! | Jan 10 03:02 | |
| cubezzz | can you imagine what things would be like if Microsoft owned search? | Jan 10 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Google has had a long time to build it search database. | Jan 10 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Time is a factor against you in the search engine business | Jan 10 03:03 |
| oiaohm | MS entered the game too late. | Jan 10 03:03 |
| oiaohm | The problem is MS fears Google coping there model. | Jan 10 03:07 |
| oiaohm | Having domination in one area and use that to get complete domination in others. | Jan 10 03:07 |
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| tessier__ | neighborlee: I still use google but billing Bing as a "decision engine" is a good idea on their part. | Jan 10 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves to decide | Jan 10 03:20 |
| neighborlee | tessier: yup | Jan 10 03:21 |
| cubezzz | wait for it... | Jan 10 03:21 |
| cubezzz | I've decided not to use Microsoft :) | Jan 10 03:21 |
| neighborlee | the output from bling is interesting if such things are needed,,for most part though I love google search in that it goes immediately to website | Jan 10 03:21 |
| cubezzz | big deal :) | Jan 10 03:21 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 10 03:21 |
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| cubezzz | a few people on the net can actually boast they _never_ used Microsoft | Jan 10 03:24 |
| tessier__ | hmm...openshot video editor looks nice. Titles, transition, sound, etc. I might have to give it a go at editing my flying and traveling videos into something presentable. | Jan 10 03:25 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: yes, lots of hype around it | Jan 10 03:59 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: same with Linux. | Jan 10 03:59 |
| schestowitz | Any use of Google uses Linux | Jan 10 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw6LhKCYUCQ | Jan 10 04:05 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gretl: http://gretl.sourceforge.net/ new to me, seems like a good project | Jan 10 04:29 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin mirror powa? http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Openbytes_-_Bing_only_gets_3-_aft--ftopict512792.html | Jan 10 04:29 | |
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| schestowitz | Better get some zzzzzzs | Jan 10 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | the Fox Noise Channel wants ACTA | Jan 10 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 10 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | no surprise | Jan 10 04:35 |
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| DaemonFC | ACTA could be a good thing for FOSS | Jan 10 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | if there's significant risks involved in "pirating" Windows and other proprietary software, it doesn't actually mean people have the money to go out and buy it | Jan 10 05:06 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Power firms face accusations of profiteering from Britain's big freeze | Money | The Observer http://tinyurl.com/yf8omam | Jan 10 05:15 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/openmovieeditor-and-blender-more-nle-delights nice | Jan 10 05:53 |
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| neighborlee | oiaohm: NICE thx ;))) | Jan 10 05:56 |
| oiaohm | ardour blender combination is a new one to me. | Jan 10 05:58 |
| oiaohm | But as a audio editor ardour is insanely powerful. | Jan 10 05:58 |
| neighborlee | if you can figure it out ;) | Jan 10 06:00 |
| neighborlee | its not for average joe's...but powerful it is ;) | Jan 10 06:00 |
| neighborlee | audacity is prob. for others, but yeah a bit of doc perusal and you'd be on your way no doubt | Jan 10 06:01 |
| oiaohm | blender is not exactly average joe for what it can do to video feeds with it node system. | Jan 10 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation | Jan 10 06:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Finally someone does this, and only 9 years after Windows XP started doing it | Jan 10 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, how about we just stand here and do nothing while the user tries to figure out which badly named RPM has their printer drivers in it" | Jan 10 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | that was kind of my first thought when I plugged my HP printer in and Mandriva had no idea what to do with it | Jan 10 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think that with a whole DVD, they could have stuffed HPLIP somewhere | Jan 10 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of funny that HP open sources their printer drivers on Linux, in that their favorite trick to instantly obsolete a working printer has been to not make drivers for newer versions of Windows | Jan 10 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | I know I'd be pissed if I had just bought a $100> printer and then a year later, Vista comes along and just isn't having it | Jan 10 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | seen a lot of people get fucked like that | Jan 10 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, I think all these "trade groups" should get together under one unified banner | Jan 10 06:19 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: blender can be very non user friendly at first yes | Jan 10 06:19 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm: but, version 2.5/2.5 coming out , will change all that..its much more ,,intuitive ;) | Jan 10 06:20 |
| oiaohm | The 2.5.0 alpha is a lot more user friendly. | Jan 10 06:20 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 10 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | could call it the EBMSC, for Evil Bloated Media and Software Cartel | Jan 10 06:20 |
| neighborlee | I love it so far | Jan 10 06:20 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: :) | Jan 10 06:20 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: There is a reason for the great HP support on Linux. | Jan 10 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | it could absorb the BSA, ESA, and RIAA/MPAA | Jan 10 06:20 |
| oiaohm | The write the drivers once release the source code and never have to touch it again. DaemonFC | Jan 10 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | as well as most of broadcast television | Jan 10 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | the BSA really is just a front for Microsoft I think | Jan 10 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see anyone else in it that comes to mind | Jan 10 06:22 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Basically supporting working printers under Windows cost HP more development time. | Jan 10 06:22 |
| oiaohm | Costs is the pure issue. | Jan 10 06:22 |
| cubezzz | it's protocols that count | Jan 10 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if they make a new driver, they can't sell you another printer | Jan 10 06:23 |
| cubezzz | e.g. are they public knowledge | Jan 10 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | their "Windows" of opportunity to make your printer not work happen every 5 years or so | Jan 10 06:23 |
| cubezzz | in the old days we got programming manuals with our printers | Jan 10 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | better do it now | Jan 10 06:23 |
| cubezzz | hence the horrible rise of windows only devices, which I think is ending | Jan 10 06:24 |
| cubezzz | hopefully | Jan 10 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I also don't see a typical person being able to program anything | Jan 10 06:24 |
| oiaohm | http://www.cups.org/software.php#USING_WINDOWS Note MS changing how to do print drivers is also a head ache for this. | Jan 10 06:24 |
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| DaemonFC | that's the cause of a lot of frustration when you sit down in front of a system based on something that had the assumption that all its users were programmers in mind | Jan 10 06:24 |
| cubezzz | yes but without programming specs and open protocols it's going to be hard for _anyone_ to make a good driver | Jan 10 06:25 |
| cubezzz | _someone_ has to write it | Jan 10 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically HP theory is once the printer is past a particular age you hook it up to a mac or linux box. | Jan 10 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Note Macs support hp printers perfectly. | Jan 10 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Its only windows users who suffer. | Jan 10 06:25 |
| cubezzz | that implies that they release programming docs late | Jan 10 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's so much nicer to be able to pop in a driver disc than wait around forever on the off chance that someone else makes a driver you can use | Jan 10 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Full specs to HP printers are out there if MS wanted to write the drivers. | Jan 10 06:26 |
| cubezzz | it's the scanners that worry me more than the printers | Jan 10 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft only makes a few very essential, usually generic core drivers | Jan 10 06:26 |
| oiaohm | Apple and Linux Distributions take care of creating the HP drivers that is why it works so well. | Jan 10 06:26 |
| cubezzz | so probably I will go Epson and forget about HP unless things change | Jan 10 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | past that, they bundle or offer whatever the manufacturer gave them | Jan 10 06:26 |
| cubezzz | look what Microsoft does... | Jan 10 06:27 |
| cubezzz | they obsolete things on purpose | Jan 10 06:27 |
| cubezzz | you even noted that yourself | Jan 10 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft isn't as bad about that as a lot of hardware makers | Jan 10 06:27 |
| cubezzz | as bad as who? | Jan 10 06:28 |
| oiaohm | http://hp-linux.cern.ch/support/devscanner.php3 You find most HP scanners work like HP printers. | Jan 10 06:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie support out box. | Jan 10 06:28 |
| cubezzz | no | Jan 10 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | typically, you can use a particular version of Windows for 5 years and expect major updates to it, like service packs and the "Vista Platform Update" type stuff | Jan 10 06:28 |
| cubezzz | I've done a ton of work on this and I know better | Jan 10 06:28 |
| cubezzz | single function devices, no | Jan 10 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | then for 5 more years it goes into extended support which technically only covers bug patches and security patches | Jan 10 06:29 |
| cubezzz | they signed NDA's with Analog Devices | Jan 10 06:29 |
| cubezzz | so no chip docs | Jan 10 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | but they still throw in things like DirectX updates, IE, Media Player | Jan 10 06:29 |
| oiaohm | ok you mean the out sourced ones cubezzz | Jan 10 06:29 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, probaby | Jan 10 06:29 |
| oiaohm | All the analog devices ones don't come out hp factories. | Jan 10 06:29 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I wrote to the HP devs asking for a current single function device that was a scanner with programming docs | Jan 10 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of companies that have to use components or firmware from other companies have to use NDAs or keep the specs of the device secret | Jan 10 06:30 |
| cubezzz | I was told there was no such device available | Jan 10 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if there weren't so many MPEG and Windows Media files floating around | Jan 10 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | licensing fees on those add to the purchase price, even if you don't use them | Jan 10 06:31 |
| cubezzz | I specifically wrote to the HP dev group for scanners | Jan 10 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | *of portable hardware | Jan 10 06:31 |
| cubezzz | SCL was obsolete I was told | Jan 10 06:32 |
| cubezzz | before I was programming with SCL directly | Jan 10 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | mandatory Microsoft/MPEG tax on a device I bought for its Vorbis support | Jan 10 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | probably only $1, but I still don't want to pay them :P | Jan 10 06:32 |
| cubezzz | so stuff like HP 5200C (very old, but still works) no problems | Jan 10 06:32 |
| cubezzz | HP 4470C big time problem | Jan 10 06:33 |
| cubezzz | I got tired of it | Jan 10 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | I got into an argument with someone about 7-8 years ago, who seemed to think that MPC was going to find some kind of hardware support | Jan 10 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him what particular drugs he was on | Jan 10 06:33 |
| cubezzz | actually any media which I have bought (like wmv) I was able to remove DRM | Jan 10 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've never "bought" any music or movie files that have DRM | Jan 10 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | you're not really buying anything in that case, even if it says you are | Jan 10 06:34 |
| cubezzz | well puretracks used DRM in the past | Jan 10 06:35 |
| cubezzz | they use it less and less now | Jan 10 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | I hate DRM | Jan 10 06:35 |
| cubezzz | now I think watermarking is all the rage | Jan 10 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | I hate DRM enough that it makes my purchase decision contingent on its not being there | Jan 10 06:36 |
| cubezzz | DRM isn't a big problem, secret communication protocols are | Jan 10 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what it is, I don't want anything bad enough to purchase it in DRM or WMA format | Jan 10 06:36 |
| cubezzz | no DVDs with CSS then? :) | Jan 10 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's a reason all the DRM WMA stores went bankrupt | Jan 10 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: CSS is not really DRM | Jan 10 06:37 |
| *tessier__ is bummed that the freenx in f12 is broken | Jan 10 06:37 | |
| DaemonFC | it's there to make sure that you're player's MPEG tax is paid up | Jan 10 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | *your | Jan 10 06:38 |
| tessier__ | The printer situation is crazy. There is no need to have different drivers for different printers. | Jan 10 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has sued over libdvdcss, but I suspect that a hardware maker using it to help circumvent the MPEG tax would get their ass sued off | Jan 10 06:39 |
| cubezzz | re: printers, this is a new problem, in the past it was all fine | Jan 10 06:39 |
| tessier__ | Fortunately hardware is cheap enough that any printer worth owning supports postscript these days. | Jan 10 06:39 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz if you go to sane you will see all the modern HP sanners most are drivers for other makes of scanners to operate. Bascailly hp is not chipsetting any more. | Jan 10 06:39 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yeah I've seen it | Jan 10 06:39 |
| cubezzz | there could have just kept making HP 5200C's | Jan 10 06:40 |
| cubezzz | they | Jan 10 06:40 |
| cubezzz | but no one ever does that, except Commodore and they are long gone | Jan 10 06:40 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: so the problem comes find out what chipset and contact the chipset maker for the data sheet. Lot of cases those chipset makers are nice. cubezzz | Jan 10 06:41 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: HP sign a NDA to protect everything include the design inside the chip. | Jan 10 06:41 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, Analog Devices refused my request for chip information | Jan 10 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Bugger so reversing it is. | Jan 10 06:41 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, HP 4470C took me 5 years | Jan 10 06:42 |
| cubezzz | I was just stubborn | Jan 10 06:42 |
| oiaohm | The more Linux devices that get out there the less stubbon companies like Analog Devices will be. | Jan 10 06:42 |
| oiaohm | It will be a simple case do you want to sell product or not. | Jan 10 06:43 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yes but if you buy without researching first, you could end up in reverse engineering land | Jan 10 06:43 |
| oiaohm | Or refund land. | Jan 10 06:44 |
| oiaohm | It techically don't work. | Jan 10 06:44 |
| cubezzz | yes, but you know what they will always say | Jan 10 06:44 |
| oiaohm | It works with windows defence does not apply in Australia. | Jan 10 06:45 |
| cubezzz | that's good | Jan 10 06:45 |
| oiaohm | Lot don't have OS requirements on box. | Jan 10 06:45 |
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| oiaohm | Note same thing happens to people running old versions of windows and the like as well cubezzz | Jan 10 06:46 |
| oiaohm | They buy a item and it don't work. | Jan 10 06:46 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 10 06:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure that's annoying :) | Jan 10 06:47 |
| oiaohm | So they take it back and get a refund. | Jan 10 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot of stores don't like being pointed out it double standards. | Jan 10 06:47 |
| cubezzz | or just buy from Epson and forget HP | Jan 10 06:48 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Blog post on yesterday's LUG meet :-) http://arunsag.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/my-first-ilugc-meet/ | Jan 10 06:48 | |
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| oiaohm | Yet the store people don't know to point Linux people to Epson scanners. | Jan 10 06:50 |
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| oiaohm | Basically we are getting to point were pain is ass has to happen to stores. | Jan 10 06:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "we put all our politicians in jail as soon as they're elected; it saves time" - Discworld | Jan 10 06:54 | |
| cubezzz | sometimes the world seems crazy | Jan 10 06:56 |
| cubezzz | it just seems that there's more problems than there should be | Jan 10 06:57 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google #Android 2.1 is named 'Flan'... possibly in honor of Professor Desty Nova | Jan 10 07:18 | |
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| *amarsh04 didn't bother with a scanner, just accepted a special on an officejet pro with ethernet and usb | Jan 10 07:41 | |
| amarsh04 | I have spoken with Bdale Garbee of HP in irc before - it would be good if they could support their ultra-portables without requiring non-free software | Jan 10 07:42 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] *Today is sunday, I think i miss mepco hostel chicken briyani and paalkova :( | Jan 10 08:38 | |
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| _goblin | When people get a minute could they check this out and see if its clear: | Jan 10 08:43 |
| _goblin | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/openbytes-statement/ | Jan 10 08:43 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Any one knows how to make maggi? Please tell me i am starving :( | Jan 10 08:58 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Got it :D , they have instructions at the bottom of maggi pack , now off to cook maggi | Jan 10 09:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @dev3k: life is awesome with #linux :D > True 100% ;-) | Jan 10 09:04 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Coming up: Flatso's GNU/Linux audio processing myth debunked. I laughed my ass off about that COLA treat. Flatfish totally misses the point. | Jan 10 09:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] A realtime kernel is _NOT_ required for audio processing at all. I will explain it in the upcoming article. Flatfish is a liar and a fraud | Jan 10 09:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Nothing new here... | Jan 10 09:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] If Flatfish is a "professional musician" I am the GNU/Linux using Johan-Sebastian Bach of the 21'st century. | Jan 10 09:14 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst lol a professional musician? The only C# he's heard of is the one of the MONO ilk, I bet he plays that well though! | Jan 10 09:21 | |
| tessier__ | Are those tweets? | Jan 10 09:24 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: ping | Jan 10 09:29 |
| _goblin | hi! | Jan 10 09:30 |
| _goblin | tessier__ : Yep, | Jan 10 09:30 |
| zer0c00l | hey _goblin | Jan 10 09:30 |
| _goblin | Hi! | Jan 10 09:30 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: how are you? | Jan 10 09:30 |
| zer0c00l | i see you are following me in twitter | Jan 10 09:31 |
| tessier__ | I should start following you guys. | Jan 10 09:31 |
| zer0c00l | :D | Jan 10 09:31 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: man! I enjoyed ewatchinh Kofi Kingston's latest victory against Randy Orton. :-) | Jan 10 09:31 |
| Omar87 | watching** | Jan 10 09:32 |
| _goblin | Omar87: Very well...appart from the snow... RE: Wrestling....TNA brought in Hulk Hogan, Rick Flair the Nasty Boys, Xpac and Deasel this week... | Jan 10 09:32 |
| _goblin | Omar87: its been a great week for my site and for wrestling! | Jan 10 09:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] seems like i poured a *lot* of water into maggi :( | Jan 10 09:33 | |
| Omar87 | _goblin: yeah, TNA is awesome. :) | Jan 10 09:33 |
| _goblin | Omar87: Did you get the significance of Bret appearing on raw? Were you watching in 97? | Jan 10 09:33 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: I miss watching Jeff Jarrett :D | Jan 10 09:33 |
| Omar87 | _goblin: umm.. no.. | Jan 10 09:34 |
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| Omar87 | _goblin: The WWE website sucks. | Jan 10 09:35 |
| Omar87 | So very disgustingly heavy.. >< | Jan 10 09:35 |
| _goblin | yeah, I use it to test chromium beta's....if chromium is going to fall over it will be at wwe.com | Jan 10 09:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin LOL :-) He always claims to be a professional musician, yet never provided a link to a single song (produced by him) | Jan 10 09:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] This tread *proves* that he doesn't even know the distinction between MIDI and audio processing. | Jan 10 09:37 | |
| _goblin | omar87: Without me boring the rest of the channel. Bret hart was to leave in 97, it was agreed with Bret and Mcmahon that Bret would win the match against HBK and then drop the WWE championship in another match prior to him leaving....Vince Mcmahon had other ideas and instructed the ref to call the match over claiming bret submitted....this stripped bret of the title before he left for WCW and was not agreed before the match a | Jan 10 09:38 |
| _goblin | t Survivor Series. Bret spat in Vinces face and then punched him out back stage (real life, not shown nor staged)... | Jan 10 09:38 |
| tessier__ | _goblin: You know that's all a staged soap opera for young boys right? | Jan 10 09:39 |
| _goblin | yep, the bret screw job wasnt | Jan 10 09:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Me as a amateur hobbyist musician can prove that GNU/Linux is a fantastic platform for both (virtual) MIDI synthesis as well as audio proc. | Jan 10 09:39 | |
| _goblin | its well documented that Bret expected to win the match (and was told by Vince) | Jan 10 09:40 |
| _goblin | one of the rare times when real life slips into wrestling. | Jan 10 09:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] @ml2mst The only instrument Flatfish might play professionally is the skin-flute. | Jan 10 09:43 | |
| *tessier__ is digging his new monitors | Jan 10 09:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Maybe the only song he wrote was documented here: http://tinyurl.com/q7qq36 (end of article) ;) #microsoft #linux #ballmer #windows | Jan 10 09:51 | |
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| tessier__ | LED backlight is cool and these things are sharp. Hope they stay that way. | Jan 10 09:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @tracyrreed LOL :-) I didn't knew you know the Flatfish fraud and wasn't aware that you are following me. The latter is good news ;-) | Jan 10 09:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] @ml2mst I've seen him in c.o.l.a over the years. Just started following you due to the bot broadcasting tweets in #boycottnovell | Jan 10 09:55 | |
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| Omar87 | _goblin: One of the most interesting stuff is how some of them manage to defeat The Undertaker and Kane. | Jan 10 09:56 |
| Omar87 | By draggin them out of the ring until ref counts to 9 and then quickly jump back in before 10. :-) | Jan 10 09:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got to face a weary journey shortly....at least Im not driving..! | Jan 10 10:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @tracyrreed Cool, been following you RFTS. Years ago I came across your website and thought you were a pretty interesting person. | Jan 10 10:02 | |
| _goblin | Omar87: Its a cheap way to stop Kane/Undi loosing credability but loosing the match. | Jan 10 10:03 |
| _goblin | *losing | Jan 10 10:03 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @tracyrreed Hope that explains why "people you don't know" are following you. | Jan 10 10:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin LOL ;-) I remember that post, that's why I call SteveB "Uncle Fester" :-) | Jan 10 10:06 | |
| Omar87 | _goblin: it's just because there's no other way, these two are so damn tough..! :) | Jan 10 10:08 |
| fewa_ | what is a good form of proportional representation for a small body, ie 5 seats? | Jan 10 10:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wonders of #Linux in a Box ( #Kernel Space) http://kdubois.net/?p=725 | Jan 10 10:29 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: I was gonna ask, some pages that start with wp-admin still get cached | Jan 10 10:33 |
| _goblin | see you all later.... | Jan 10 10:33 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Overview of GNU/Linux Applications for #Desktop Search http://tuxradar.com/content/best-linux-desktop-search-tools | Jan 10 10:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and thats me now having some downtime.....arrangement, travel, family. its all happening at once. | Jan 10 10:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web Browsers' Radically Change the Desktop Game http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/community_posts/rise_of_web_applications_timescales | Jan 10 10:35 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 Just for a laugh | Jan 10 10:42 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Android ( #Linux ) Phones and Supporters Emerge http://ur1.ca/jhq4 http://ur1.ca/jhq5 | Jan 10 10:55 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 400,000 Motorola Backflip Android phones ordered by AT&T? » Unwired View .::. Size~: 21.19 KB | Jan 10 10:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Tablets" Just Another #UMPC Arrival http://ur1.ca/jhq9 http://ur1.ca/jhqa #yawn #fail | Jan 10 10:56 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Are Tablet PCs Destined to Flop? - PC World .::. Size~: 71 KB | Jan 10 10:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Does a Tablet PC Market Exist for Apple and Others? - Cellphones, PDAs and Handheld Devices News Story .::. Size~: 45.74 KB | Jan 10 10:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux -based #Litl #Webbook Finally Appears at the Scene http://ur1.ca/jhqe | Jan 10 10:57 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Hands On With the Litl Webbook - PC World .::. Size~: 79.14 KB | Jan 10 10:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One Laptop Per Child Produces Valuable Inventions That Target #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/jhqm http://ur1.ca/jhqn | Jan 10 10:58 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Screens From Former OLPC CTO Now in Devices - PC World .::. Size~: 68.08 KB | Jan 10 10:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: After the Hype: The current state of OLPC and Sugar Labs - OLPC News .::. Size~: 65.09 KB | Jan 10 10:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware -based Computer Clusters Built in #IITBombay http://ur1.ca/jhqp | Jan 10 10:59 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Yahoo Helps IIT Bombay Set up Hadoop Cluster Lab - PC World .::. Size~: 67.1 KB | Jan 10 10:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GlassFish , #Apache #Solr , #Symbian http://ur1.ca/jhqs http://ur1.ca/jhqt http://ur1.ca/jhqu | Jan 10 11:01 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: GlassFish ESB 2.2 released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.25 KB | Jan 10 11:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lucid Imagination Streamlines Apache Solr for Enterprise Search Applications .::. Size~: 58.33 KB | Jan 10 11:01 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Symbian Lays out Mobile OS Roadmap - PC World .::. Size~: 65.64 KB | Jan 10 11:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Skills Pursued by Employers http://ur1.ca/jhr1 http://ur1.ca/jhr2 | Jan 10 11:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Developers Flock in Droves to Free/Libre #VoIP Software http://ur1.ca/jhr4 | Jan 10 11:09 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: News | Business Wire .::. Size~: 16.97 KB | Jan 10 11:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Happy Birthday, Chris Messina, And Enjoy Advocating The Open Web At Google - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 89.23 KB | Jan 10 11:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Biology Embraces #FreeSoftware -type Revolution http://ur1.ca/jhr6 http://ur1.ca/jhr7 | Jan 10 11:10 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Unreliable evidence? Time to open up DNA databases - science-in-society - 06 January 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 65.25 KB | Jan 10 11:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ISCB Licenses Virginia Tech's GenoCAD Software to Ensure Long-Term Availability to Open Source Code | BioInform | Informatics | GenomeWeb .::. Size~: 31.83 KB | Jan 10 11:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeBSD Opens up Further http://www.freebsdnews.net/2010/01/09/bsd-magazine-free/ | Jan 10 11:11 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BSD Magazine goes free | FreeBSD - the unknown Giant .::. Size~: 28.68 KB | Jan 10 11:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Has New Release Candidates of #Firefox and Mobile Firefox http://ur1.ca/jhrd http://ur1.ca/jhre | Jan 10 11:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox for Maemo closing in on final release | Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 63.13 KB | Jan 10 11:12 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla releases Firefox 3.6 RC1 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.79 KB | Jan 10 11:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre #CMS Software Success Stories, New Releases http://ur1.ca/jhrl http://ur1.ca/jhrm http://ur1.ca/jhrn | Jan 10 11:15 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Makes #Java So Successful http://ur1.ca/jhrx | Jan 10 11:15 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: VT4 using Drupal | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 15.07 KB | Jan 10 11:15 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: What Java EE 6 Offers the Enterprise and Integration | Interviews | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 81.68 KB | Jan 10 11:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikileaks Looks for Monetary Support for Whistleblowers http://ur1.ca/jhs1 | Jan 10 11:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Internet Evolution - Jart Armin - Wikileaks Funding Plan Could Be Risky .::. Size~: 216.42 KB | Jan 10 11:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sign #EU #Petition Against #SoftwarePatents http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2721&blogid=14 #swpat | Jan 10 11:24 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Help Stop EU Software Patents – Again - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 80.95 KB | Jan 10 11:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 30% of All #Patent Lawsuits Come from Patents Trolls http://www.ccianet.org/index.asp?bid=89&BlogEntryID=32&FormID=300&catid=2 | Jan 10 11:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Innovation Policy Post .::. Size~: 33.77 KB | Jan 10 11:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Under Attack by #Comcast http://ur1.ca/jht2 http://ur1.ca/jht4 | Jan 10 11:28 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Court Questions FCC Authority to Impose Net Neutrality - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 54.14 KB | Jan 10 11:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Court Notices That The FCC Appears To Have No Legal Mandate To Enforce Net Neutrality | Techdirt .::. Size~: 43.71 KB | Jan 10 11:28 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Software Vendors Turn Nastier http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/software-auditors-crack-down-as-recession-bites-2970 | Jan 10 11:29 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Software Auditors Crack Down As Recession Bites - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 24.05 KB | Jan 10 11:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Leads to Grilling, Political Corruption http://ur1.ca/jhtb http://ur1.ca/jhtc | Jan 10 11:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Korea FTA and the acquis communautaire « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 20.51 KB | Jan 10 11:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wifey found my DS! All is okay again. Now, how do I get dslinux running perl on this thing :) | Jan 10 11:36 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Myth "GNU/Linux not capable of music production" debunked: http://tinyurl.com/y88cp4c | Jan 10 12:03 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OSGEEX: Myth: GNU/Linux and audio processing .::. Size~: 76.48 KB | Jan 10 12:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] History of Microsoft’s “Slog” Against #Android Brainchild http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/andy-rubin-android-msft/ | Jan 10 12:11 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: History of Microsofts “Slog” Against Android Brainchild | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.79 KB | Jan 10 12:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @schestowitz: History of Microsoft’s “Slog” Against #Android Brainchild http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/andy-rubin-android-msft/ | Jan 10 12:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: History of Microsofts “Slog” Against Android Brainchild | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.79 KB | Jan 10 12:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BillGates Investments in #Education Criticised; #Monsanto (Gates-Backed) Corruption Revisited http://ur1.ca/jhxy | Jan 10 12:41 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Investments in Education Criticised; Monsanto (Gates-Backed) Corruption Revisited | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106 KB | Jan 10 12:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst by mentioning the trolls by name you only reward them; best to omit names, IMHO | Jan 10 12:42 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ford and #Microsoft Distort “Open Source” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/sync-cheapens-openness/ | Jan 10 13:04 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ford and Microsoft Distort “Open Source” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.75 KB | Jan 10 13:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Thanks for the tip Roy, changing the post right now! | Jan 10 13:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Bands as dates http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/112588.html | Jan 10 13:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Implicitly Acknowledges Failure in Consoles, #Search , and #Mobile http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/microsoft-revival-slim/ | Jan 10 13:37 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: qcjeph: TWEETSPAM: BAND SIMILE EDITION .::. Size~: 80.71 KB | Jan 10 13:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Implicitly Acknowledges Failure in Consoles, Search, and Mobile | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.5 KB | Jan 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Grrrrrrrrrr......... those Windows bots are back to hammering on BN.... it hardly responds | Jan 10 13:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sophie:"What's the bone in your bum called?", Me:"Pelvis", Sam:"I've got an Elvis!" (Elvis is in Fireman Sam) http://bit.ly/4x7cKs | Jan 10 13:44 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fireman Sam .::. Size~: 9.66 KB | Jan 10 13:44 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: we have a problem with caching | Jan 10 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Some heavy pages return an error after timing out | Jan 10 13:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Journalists! Quit whining about blogs and try working for a living http://is.gd/60xrA | Jan 10 13:57 | |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/22/mark-shuttleworth-on-patents/ | Jan 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/15/mono-contamination-in-ubuntu/ | Jan 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Times out due to cache s/w | Jan 10 14:07 |
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| oiaohm | http://jordanopensource.org/blog/minister-said-no | Jan 10 14:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Minister Said No | Jordan Open Source Association .::. Size~: 27.04 KB | Jan 10 14:08 |
| oiaohm | That is interesting | Jan 10 14:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Thomas Lodi and Shayla McCallum are quacks and odious pieces of shit: legal threats against cancer patient. http://is.gd/60AmZ please fwd | Jan 10 14:15 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Making legal threats against a blogging cancer patient? Stay classy, Shayla McCallum and Dr. Thomas Lodi. Stay classy. : Respectful Insolence .::. Size~: 71.4 KB | Jan 10 14:15 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Novell-lose-Open-Source-CTSO-as-Nat-Friedman-leaves-899307.html | Jan 10 14:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Novell lose Open Source CTSO as Nat Friedman leaves - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.28 KB | Jan 10 14:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Locked Out of #Mono Blogs, by #Silverlight http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/stephane-delcroix-silverlight/ #moonlight #novell | Jan 10 14:18 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Locked Out of Mono Blogs, by Silverlight | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.78 KB | Jan 10 14:18 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, Novell turmoil | Jan 10 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Miguel will pass to Microsoft, too :-D | Jan 10 14:20 |
| schestowitz | But maybe Friedman knows about a coming buyout or something | Jan 10 14:21 |
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| schestowitz | Novell pondered selling part of the business | Jan 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | *parts | Jan 10 14:21 |
| schestowitz | And recently it restructured | Jan 10 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Nat Friedman was one of the important people behind the gnome design. | Jan 10 14:26 |
| oiaohm | It will be interesting to see what he does next. | Jan 10 14:26 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Restructure Could Facilitate Buyout of Novell Division http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/restructuring-consequences/ | Jan 10 14:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Novell Restructure Could Facilitate Buyout of Novell Division | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.39 KB | Jan 10 14:46 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Switched on Clares XP laptop after no use during xmas. So many updates. Timewasting tedium. #fb | Jan 10 15:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching The Gruffallo in HD on the Revo with the kids. Boxee works well for this. | Jan 10 15:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @manifestlove "The roots of true achievement lie in the will to become the best that you can become." | Jan 10 15:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Continues to Evade Patent Law ( #i4i ) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/10/report-on-patent-trolls/ | Jan 10 15:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Estimation: 30% of IT Patent Lawsuits Come from Patent Trolls, Microsoft Continues to Evade Patent Law (i4i) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.28 KB | Jan 10 15:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] currently attempting http://www.fixed4free.com/answers.php?id=40851 on washing machine. accurate so far. | Jan 10 15:49 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: fixed4free.com - how can I fix my Hotpoint WF865? - Household Appliances, Washing Machines - Free repair information for appliances, electricals and electronics .::. Size~: 72.75 KB | Jan 10 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-stops-hosting-new-ap-content/ | Jan 10 15:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google News Stops Hosting New AP Content, http://ur1.ca/ji68 AP's loss. via @josephtartakoff | Jan 10 15:54 | |
| pawel_121 | it seems Lefty came to Phoronix forums: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=107451&posted=1#post107451 | Jan 10 15:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Does a grand evil conspiracy lie behind specific Desktop Environments? - Page 17 - Phoronix Forums .::. Size~: 80.43 KB | Jan 10 15:55 |
| cubezzz | it's interesting that AT&T was broken up in 1984 but Microsoft wasn't | Jan 10 15:55 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Jan 10 15:56 |
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| schestowitz | pawel_121: Poor Phoronix. As long as they keep the kindergarten over there, fine w/ me | Jan 10 15:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] AP puts gun to own head, threatens to shoot http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-stops-hosting-new-ap-content/ | Jan 10 15:57 | |
| pawel_121 | schestowitz there's also some gnome evangelist | Jan 10 15:58 |
| schestowitz | GNOME is OK | Jan 10 15:58 |
| pawel_121 | this one favoured mono | Jan 10 15:58 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-inside-word-how-newspapers-should-solicit-donations/ | Jan 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Michael doesn't mind Mono | Jan 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Baidu COO Ye Quits http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/7525294718 | Jan 10 16:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: Baidu COO Ye Quits, http:/ ... .::. Size~: 9.85 KB | Jan 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Testing....http://guardian.co.uk | Jan 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/10/afghanistan-journalist-rupert-hamer | Jan 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... trmanco, what should work better with the phIRCe-local's patches? | Jan 10 16:05 |
| trmanco | that won't work yet, it's just some regexp fixes and an undefined variable, that's all | Jan 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/08/rudy-giuliani-we-hav.html | Jan 10 16:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Rudy Giuliani: "We have always been at war with Eastasia" Boing Boing .::. Size~: 189.41 KB | Jan 10 16:10 |
| schestowitz | I saw 300 bytes difference | Jan 10 16:11 |
| trmanco | yes | Jan 10 16:16 |
| cubezzz | not sure who is actually shipping but... | Jan 10 16:20 |
| cubezzz | http://www.linux-netbook.com/tags/arm-architecture | Jan 10 16:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: ARM Architecture | Linux Netbook .::. Size~: 21.27 KB | Jan 10 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: does php maybe cache the older program? | Jan 10 16:27 |
| trmanco | no | Jan 10 16:28 |
| trmanco | if you restarted it, it's okay | Jan 10 16:28 |
| schestowitz | I just restarted with the new file in place, but IIRC there's some caching thing I came across before | Jan 10 16:28 |
| schestowitz | You should make a plugin to make it say it's version # :-) | Jan 10 16:28 |
| trmanco | hmm | Jan 10 16:28 |
| schestowitz | *its | Jan 10 16:28 |
| schestowitz | !google phIRCe | Jan 10 16:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 8th, 2010 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/irc-log-08012010.html | Jan 10 16:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 9th, 2010 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/irc-log-09012010.html | Jan 10 16:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - phIRCe - PHP IRC bot | http://www.portugal-a-programar.org/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D40290.0 | Jan 10 16:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - [Projecto] phIRCe - PHP IRC bot | http://www.webtuga.com/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D29600.0 | Jan 10 16:28 |
| trmanco | gimme a sec | Jan 10 16:29 |
| trmanco | you gave me and idea | Jan 10 16:29 |
| trmanco | !version | Jan 10 16:29 |
| trmanco | hmm | Jan 10 16:29 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 10 16:40 |
| cubezzz | some of these ads freak me out: | Jan 10 16:59 |
| cubezzz | http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/electronics-ads-1940s/55#admdc35mf2elg0k8 | Jan 10 16:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vintage Electronics/ TV of the 1940s (Page 55) .::. Size~: 19.37 KB | Jan 10 16:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Tweaking NewsTechnica.com HTML by MySQL twiddling in PHP. Avoiding finishing washing machine. | Jan 10 17:12 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jan 10 17:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Maine man, 101, can't save beloved old elm, Herbie http://ur1.ca/jidh | Jan 10 17:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Maine man, 101, can't save beloved old elm, Herbie | MNN - Mother Nature Network .::. Size~: 56.11 KB | Jan 10 17:53 |
| trmanco | https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+index?start=50&batch=50 | Jan 10 17:53 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Washing machine looking happier. Ran drain cleaner through pump (hopefully fast enough not to trash seals). Now on 95degC empty wash. | Jan 10 17:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] MySQL completely supports UTF-8 Unicode! Except if you actually want to manipulate it. | Jan 10 18:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: If bands were dates. http://is.gd/61jkU Royal Mail issues Classic Album Covers stamp set. http://is.gd/61jnT | Jan 10 18:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Rocknerd » Blog Archive » If bands were dates. .::. Size~: 6.48 KB | Jan 10 18:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Rocknerd » Blog Archive » Royal Mail issues Classic Album Covers stamp set. .::. Size~: 6.86 KB | Jan 10 18:46 |
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| _goblin | hi all | Jan 10 18:59 |
| _goblin | back | Jan 10 18:59 |
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| *schestowitz listens to http://cdn2.libsyn.com/linuxoutlaws/linuxoutlaws130.ogg?nvb=20100110185116&nva=20100111190116&t=032f35ee03a71704bd8ac | Jan 10 19:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/ogg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 10 19:25 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: they got a free n900 | Jan 10 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Schwag | Jan 10 19:25 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I managed to find an AoTuv PPA for Ubuntu finally | Jan 10 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why nobody is shipping that libvorbis by default | Jan 10 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | the official one looks like crap in comparison | Jan 10 19:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: OK | Jan 10 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | I think that if Xiph.org has stuck a fork in it, AoTuv needs to become the new de facto standard | Jan 10 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's just one of those things that's griped me for a while | Jan 10 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | the source code is there, it's clearly better, no distribution ships it | Jan 10 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | it just smells of politics | Jan 10 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | I just wonder why superior forks get to sit out in the cold while the official project is sitting there with their collective thumb up their collective ass and hasn't done anything meaningful to the mainline project in almost 5 years | Jan 10 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think someone needs to go blow the dust off Xiph.org, goose Monty, and try to get a new official release so all these Linux distributions have a better Vorbis encoder than Windows users are likely to find after 1 minute of Googling | Jan 10 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It does matter and you should care, because you could easily use AoTuv and save some bandwidth | Jan 10 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how much your Ogg media uses, but if it's a lot, then being able to switch from 64kbps to 48 would still put a dent in your bill | Jan 10 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | it also affects your videos because the encoders on Linux for Theora are encoding the audio part with whatever libvorbis is handy | Jan 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: are you there? | Jan 10 19:35 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder if there are any strap-ons for IE out there to make it support Theora/Vorbis videos | Jan 10 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | morbid curiousity | Jan 10 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | *curiosity | Jan 10 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/6945135/Family-of-Blade-Runner-author-Philip-K.-Dick-to-sue-Google-over-Nexus-One-phone.html | Jan 10 19:39 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Family of Blade Runner author Philip K. Dick to sue Google over Nexus One phone - Telegraph .::. Size~: 58.63 KB | Jan 10 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Ironic Imaginary Property suit of the day | Jan 10 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 10 19:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: Chrome Frame? :> | Jan 10 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | you already post that? | Jan 10 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Possibly, but retrofitting a good browser on top of a bad one is a little disingenuous | Jan 10 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | sites should just tell IE users to GTFO | Jan 10 19:40 |
| MinceR | it's a strap-on :> | Jan 10 19:40 |
| MinceR | indeed they should | Jan 10 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | don't come back until Microsoft fixes it and all that | Jan 10 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | according to my understanding, that's always been in the next version | Jan 10 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | like most things they do | Jan 10 19:41 |
| MinceR | it will be fixed when m$ goes out of business | Jan 10 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | fix 3 rendering bugs, stra a Firefox UI clone on it, affix more privacy-invading crap = new version | Jan 10 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | *strap | Jan 10 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | emulate old IE versions so that everyone keeps coding for the bugs so it'll still work in IE 5, 6, and 7 | Jan 10 19:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: let me know when you're around. I know how to reduce load, but in case something goes wrong I need to have someone who can restore the DB from backup | Jan 10 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | nothing changes, sites HTML source still looks like the same lulzy shit it's been for 15 years | Jan 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR:depends /which/ business | Jan 10 19:43 |
| MinceR | all of them | Jan 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft will lose the WIndows franchise not long from now (it will one day, like all products) and maybe they'll carry on with OneCare and port it to Linux/BSD :-) | Jan 10 19:44 |
| MinceR | as long as they exist, they'll keep scheming against sanity and fairness | Jan 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft-- your friendly indsecurity company | Jan 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's in their nature | Jan 10 19:44 |
| MinceR | if they do, they'll have a broken bsd with ie on it | Jan 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | !google "it's their nature" | Jan 10 19:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - It's Their Nature | fsdaily.com - Free Software News | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Its_Their_Nature | Jan 10 19:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Curiosity, wonder, creative play | http://www.loudounnature.org/ | Jan 10 19:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Joel Weinberger: Why Do CEOs Do Such Stupid Things? It's Their Nature | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joel-weinberger/why-do-ceos-do-such-stupi_b_181564.html | Jan 10 19:44 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Democratic Underground - it's their nature. what galls me is the ... | http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dshow_mesg%26forum%3D389%26topic_id%3D2761935%26mesg_id%3D2761948 | Jan 10 19:44 |
| MinceR | but it won't happen, because moving to bsd or linux would make too much sense | Jan 10 19:45 |
| MinceR | just like crApple, they don't do things that make sense | Jan 10 19:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/arts/la-et-science-center29-2009dec29,0,6400745.story | Jan 10 19:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: California Science Center is sued for canceling a film promoting intelligent design - latimes.com .::. Size~: 126.31 KB | Jan 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.darwinawards.com/ | Jan 10 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I never really got that "Turn Windows Features On or Off" deal, especially on Windows Server (which I'm on atm) | Jan 10 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, they're there one way or the other, you just can't use them while they are "off" | Jan 10 19:49 |
| MinceR | they didn't really understand what the deal with a modular OS was | Jan 10 19:50 |
| MinceR | this is what their marketroid/lawyer mind could come up with | Jan 10 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | I strongly suspect they just turn everything off by default to make Windows Server look all lean and mean | Jan 10 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | even while it's dragging around gigabytes of crap regardless | Jan 10 19:50 |
| MinceR | well, as much as they really can turn off | Jan 10 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't see it, it must not be there | Jan 10 19:51 |
| MinceR | i've heard stories of what the various crap in, say, ISA server requires to be enabled and running | Jan 10 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the Desktop Experience "feature" gives you Aero and Windows Media Player" | Jan 10 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | I discovered a bug in that though | Jan 10 19:51 |
| MinceR | well, software engineers would have developed the media player as an application | Jan 10 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Aero Peek is broken til you go to Advanced System Properties and toggle "Adjust for best performance" and "Adjust for best appearance" a few times | Jan 10 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | then it works again | Jan 10 19:52 |
| MinceR | i wonder if in m$-land it reaches into the kernel, like the windowing system does | Jan 10 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | they like to strap all their stuff into the kernel and not document any of it | Jan 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... this site lists me as "Highly Influential". I guess that's good. http://topsy.com/tb/jan.wildeboer.net/2010/01/why-i-will-not-sign-the-mysql-petition/ | Jan 10 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | makes their stuff always run better than all the others | Jan 10 19:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, "it will be zomg-fast that way!" | Jan 10 19:53 |
| MinceR | and then it just isn't | Jan 10 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's why Apache performs worse than IIS on Windows | Jan 10 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft strapped a lot of stuff IIS uses into the kernel | Jan 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Apache is not for Windows | Jan 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | People who run Apache on Windows deserve to be sacked | Jan 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Jan 10 19:54 |
| MinceR | people who run windows on servers deserve to be sacked | Jan 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Well... | Jan 10 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft was doing the same stuff for IE, which they were forced to disclose through various lawsuits | Jan 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Apropos... | Jan 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Did you see NEtscraft? | Jan 10 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apple does it too, Mozilla had to reverse engineer a lot of stuff to make Firefox run right on OS X | Jan 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Apache up 3 million | Jan 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Kicking Microsoft arse | Jan 10 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I have the option to install IIS 7.5 under Server Roles | Jan 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 10 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays Apache now, thinking there are enough people gullible enough to move it closer to Winows | Jan 10 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Same with PHP/Zend | Jan 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | according to MS, PHP and ASP(.Net) both work on IIS | Jan 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | though I suspect PHP is slow as all hell | Jan 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | for "some reason" | Jan 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I think that at some stage they also added "incentives" to move | Jan 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | aka "bribes" | Jan 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 95% of Zend customer deploy on Linux | Jan 10 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they support PHP to lure everyone over to IIS, then once they have everyone in one place, they remove PHP support and only do ASP.NET | Jan 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I could recheck the #s | Jan 10 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | was the plan I'm sure | Jan 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Among the devs, they test a lot on Linux too | Jan 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Same with eclipse | Jan 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Like a third of them use Linux | Jan 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | On their desktop | Jan 10 19:57 |
| MinceR | that plan is doomed to fail | Jan 10 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | anyone actually using Windows on a server needs to have their head examined | Jan 10 19:57 |
| MinceR | those users would still be bound much stronger to php than iis | Jan 10 19:57 |
| MinceR | so they'd just move back | Jan 10 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just using it as a desktop myself | Jan 10 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 10 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | cause I can | Jan 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I had something else to say about Apache but I forgot (I hate when it happens!!) | Jan 10 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'd never trust it as a server | Jan 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | So can the cracker in China | Jan 10 19:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, that doesn't mean that you don't need to have your head examined :> | Jan 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can share the desktop | Jan 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Allocate a VM to crackers | Jan 10 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jan 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | And use notepad.exe to leave a file on the deskto | Jan 10 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | you can do that on Linux too | Jan 10 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's called AppArmor and Xen | Jan 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Have it say, "please stay out of my VM while you do your malicious stuff. Ta!" | Jan 10 19:58 |
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| MinceR | that's an invitation to break into your VM | Jan 10 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I tried Xen once, and it is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooow | Jan 10 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I have Suse Linux Enterprise Server and Desktop | Jan 10 19:59 |
| MinceR | i don't like xen because it's inconvenient | Jan 10 19:59 |
| MinceR | i'd have to boot differently | Jan 10 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | I just collect operating systems | Jan 10 19:59 |
| MinceR | for KVM i can just load a kernel module and be on my way | Jan 10 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/01/why-i-will-not-sign-the-mysql-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-660 "Disclaimer: I work for Oracle. However, I am so infuriated by some of Monty’s statements which are just laughable and blatantly untrue." | Jan 10 20:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Jan Wildeboer · Why I will not sign the MySQL petition .::. Size~: 46 KB | Jan 10 20:00 |
| MinceR | (well, two kernel modules, actually) | Jan 10 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | SLED is alright, I wouldn't use SLES | Jan 10 20:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you collect VERSIONS of the same one :-) | Jan 10 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably use RHEL if I had the big bucks | Jan 10 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I have RHEL actually | Jan 10 20:00 |
| schestowitz | RHEL price is for support | Jan 10 20:00 |
| schestowitz | You could use a clone | Jan 10 20:00 |
| schestowitz | It's not valuable for desktop cause of repos | Jan 10 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, CentOS is exactly the same deal without the insane price for access to updates and software repos | Jan 10 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | there was an interview I read a while back about a "migration TO Windows Server" where the CEO of this company said Fedora wasn't meeting their needs | Jan 10 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | that made me laugh | Jan 10 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | like who in their right ming would use Fedora as a corporate server and desktop | Jan 10 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | *mind | Jan 10 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | either they were totally clueless or Microsoft paid for the testimonial, probably both | Jan 10 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | it was on IDG, so Microsoft had something to do with it | Jan 10 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | I find it hard to believe that his only complaint was short support lifecycle and bugs, and he passed up free CentOS for outrageously expensive Windows licenses | Jan 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/education/edlife/03adult-t.html | Jan 10 20:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Adult Learning - Neuroscience - How to Train the Aging Brain - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 65.98 KB | Jan 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <DaemonFC> like who in their right ming would use Fedora as a corporate server and desktop | Jan 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva...... | Jan 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | LTSes | Jan 10 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | I got Windows Server through Microsoft DrugDealer (DreamSpark) | Jan 10 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Fedora is like 12/18mts | Jan 10 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | they're even giving this shit to high school kids now | Jan 10 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 10 20:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Man! #Boxee is awesome!! Too the internet connection sucks, though.. >< | Jan 10 20:06 | |
| DaemonFC | this is like that free high before they come back and hit you up for cash later | Jan 10 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 10 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Spark... like cigar | Jan 10 20:07 |
| MinceR | more like dynamite | Jan 10 20:07 |
| schestowitz | !google boycott novell *spark | Jan 10 20:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - The EDGIfication of the Philippines | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/02/philippines-spark-tobacco-lockin/ | Jan 10 20:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Microsoft Takes Dumping Tactics up a Notch | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30/microsoft-dumping-tactics-boosted/ | Jan 10 20:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Sage Bionetworks, Biology's Open Source Spark, Snags “Major ... | http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/10/06/sage-bionetworks-biologys-open-source-spark-snags-major-donation-from-quintiles/ | Jan 10 20:07 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - This is not Gnome « Motho ke motho ka botho | http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/this-is-not-gnome/ | Jan 10 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | they teach you their stuff so it's all you know when you get done with school, and your employer sees that people know Windows Server and buys Windows Server | Jan 10 20:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, that would just blow kids to pieces | Jan 10 20:08 |
| MinceR | it blows their mind to pieces :> | Jan 10 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC | nobody ever sees how much this stuff really costs cause it's all heavily subsidized or paid for by their employer | Jan 10 20:08 |
| MinceR | "waaah, the GUI of this OS doesn't _exactly_ look and act like a version of windows, so it sucks!" | Jan 10 20:08 |
| Omar87 | ughh! The internet connection in this country is from Hell.. >< | Jan 10 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | so Walmart is apparently all about saving money, efficiency, maximizing profits, they say | Jan 10 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | makes me wonder how much their Microsoft deal has caused merchandise pricing to go up | Jan 10 20:09 |
| MinceR | Omar87: what's the ping time to Hell like? :> | Jan 10 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | they run it on everything from shipping and receiving terminals, to cash registers | Jan 10 20:10 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: :) | Jan 10 20:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: or blows your underwear | Jan 10 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | the handheld terminals they used to have ran SCO UNIX, schestowitz | Jan 10 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 10 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | they have some Windows Mobile thing now | Jan 10 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | the old ones were actually faster | Jan 10 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | and they were like 10 years older or more | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Hell is a corporation I think | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ ping hell | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | ping: unknown host hell | Jan 10 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | didn't crash as much either | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ ping hell.com | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | PING hell.com (161.58.212.2) 56(84) bytes of data. | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | 64 bytes from final.org (161.58.212.2): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=90.4 ms | Jan 10 20:11 |
| schestowitz | ^C64 bytes from final.org (161.58.212.2): icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=90.4 ms | Jan 10 20:11 |
| MinceR | there are settlements called Hell | Jan 10 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | the new ones freeze up and you have to kill it and wait on it to reboot | Jan 10 20:12 |
| Omar87 | MinceR: I've been checking out the new Boxee beta, but it really needs a fast internet, so I didn't enjoy it.. | Jan 10 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | 3 minutes later you're up and running again, better scan all that inventory before it crashes again | Jan 10 20:12 |
| MinceR | winblows mobile is a crime by itself | Jan 10 20:12 |
| schestowitz | 3.11? | Jan 10 20:12 |
| Omar87 | Winblows mobile is a joke. | Jan 10 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | no idea, it hid what version of Windows it is, but it has Microsoft copyright crap spewed everywhere | Jan 10 20:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikipe-tan's asshole cousin: Conservape-tan! http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/File:Conservape-tan.png | Jan 10 20:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: File:Conservape-tan.png - RationalWiki .::. Size~: 20.94 KB | Jan 10 20:13 |
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| MinceR | lol @ conservape-tan | Jan 10 20:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Hello World! | Jan 10 20:14 |
| schestowitz | http://pda-appellateblog.blogspot.com/2010_01_01_archive.html#4329975559687657848 A new, to me, tactic by a publisher: you can't download the article | Jan 10 20:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 10 20:16 |
| trmanco | are you sure this is latest trunk? | Jan 10 20:16 |
| trmanco | if yes, then something got cached | Jan 10 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | !version phirce | Jan 10 20:18 |
| trmanco | you need to query it (private chat) | Jan 10 20:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Memo to AP and other who collude to fix price of newspapers: http://ur1.ca/jike | Jan 10 20:18 | |
| trmanco | !help phirce | Jan 10 20:20 |
| trmanco | ah, that works | Jan 10 20:20 |
| schestowitz | does it? | Jan 10 20:21 |
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| trmanco | yes, maybe because my cloak is on the admin array | Jan 10 20:22 |
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| trmanco | don't forget to edit the bot.php LOL | Jan 10 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Warning: include(): Failed opening '/root/phirce/modules/HelloWorld.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /home/roy/Main/Programs/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 89 | Jan 10 20:31 |
| schestowitz | oh wait | Jan 10 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amGZxVXHzBl8&pos=2 | Jan 10 20:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "when you die, your life does flash before your eyes; it's called living" - Discworld | Jan 10 20:34 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jan 10 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I overwrote the settings file | Jan 10 20:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: suggestion | Jan 10 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Don't name setting file like this | Jan 10 20:35 |
| schestowitz | BNc and BNi, for example, just like WordPress, use a base settings files that needs to be changed, then saved under a different name | Jan 10 20:36 |
| schestowitz | This prevents overwriting of old settings files upon upgrade, not just improved security | Jan 10 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Add to you instructions that a new file needs to be created with passwords and all. It's a development convention to do this | Jan 10 20:37 |
| trmanco | I'll change it | Jan 10 20:40 |
| trmanco | move the settings to a different file | Jan 10 20:40 |
| schestowitz | So that's who the Microsoft bootser is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/maggiesshiels_211.jpg | Jan 10 20:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 10 20:40 |
| schestowitz | *booster | Jan 10 20:40 |
| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/ | Jan 10 20:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Translate .::. Size~: 26.88 KB | Jan 10 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tagesanzeiger.ch%2Fwirtschaft%2Funternehmen-und-konjunktur%2FBern-haette-UBSKundendaten-nicht-nach-Washington-schicken-duerfen%2Fstory%2F16225567&sl=de&tl=en | Jan 10 20:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Translate .::. Size~: 1.34 KB | Jan 10 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://pastebin.com/f7a57b7cf | Jan 10 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: best patch would be one that gets around YouTube blocks | Jan 10 20:47 |
| schestowitz | It's where the URLs say absolutely nothing about content | Jan 10 20:47 |
| trmanco | only if I knew what they did to block it | Jan 10 20:48 |
| schestowitz | We probably have about 500 YouTube URLs here per month | Jan 10 20:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: can you not fake being a browser beyond HTTP headers? | Jan 10 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Same with http://guardian.co.uk | Jan 10 20:48 |
| trmanco | they block it somehow | Jan 10 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It used to work | Jan 10 20:49 |
| trmanco | something is missing, dunno | Jan 10 20:49 |
| schestowitz | They changed something | Jan 10 20:49 |
| trmanco | the youtube urls yes :/ | Jan 10 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | then I noticed that the guy made a typo and actually asked what the "fatest" way to get your Windows PC up and running is | Jan 10 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Or if you want to know the “Fatest” way to get your Windows computer up and running, eat Ben & Jerry’s from start to finish and then go on Maury via satellite 9 months later when you can’t leave your bedroom." | Jan 10 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Alternatively, install Windows Me and get the FATest 32-bit file system ever. Guaranteed to only waste most of your hard drive space." | Jan 10 20:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 10 20:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows Server makes Windows 7 look like easy street | Jan 10 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | I kept wondering why my audio was glitching, and it turns out that there's a registry setting that makes Windows Server default to giving EVERYTHING higher priority than sound | Jan 10 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | there's no GUI setting to toggle to fix that, jsut some obscure registry setting | Jan 10 20:54 |
| MinceR | it would make more sense to just disable system noises by default | Jan 10 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | that's after Server has the Windows Audio service disabled by default | Jan 10 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I kept hearing Winamp glitch while I was doing other stuff, and wondered if it was some Winamp/Windows Server bug | Jan 10 20:55 |
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| MinceR | i wouldn't have noticed, i'm used to audio glitches on winblows | Jan 10 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up setting it so that audio has "High" priority by default | Jan 10 20:56 |
| MinceR | due to the craptastic task scheduler | Jan 10 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | veto power over anything but system services :) | Jan 10 20:56 |
| MinceR | (and due to PCs being generally not all that powerful the last time i used winblows regularly) | Jan 10 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | haven't had any glitching since | Jan 10 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I also prefix all my games to start with HIGH priority | Jan 10 20:57 |
| MinceR | i remember that | Jan 10 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: YOu can get away with flagging one or two things Real Time now that there's quad core processors | Jan 10 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | it used to just freeze Windows instantly | Jan 10 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 10 20:58 |
| MinceR | having to keep that useless task scheduler hints all the time | Jan 10 20:58 |
| MinceR | then again, MidiPlus would crash if i increased its priority so it wasn't really a solution in all cases | Jan 10 20:59 |
| trmanco | http://www.flickr.com/photos/borud/2400784894/in/set-72157604450114658/ | Jan 10 20:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows really is a lot more responsive on a quad core 3 Ghz CPU | Jan 10 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 10 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | but if it w2asn't, I'd be very afraid | Jan 10 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | *wasn't | Jan 10 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough, Windows XP supports quad core CPUs, or even dual quad core CPUs | Jan 10 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | (Professional only) | Jan 10 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | but it won't support more than two sockets | Jan 10 21:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] why don't #gnu have a Braveheart themed logo, the GNU with a painted face "FREEEEEEDOOOOMMMM!!!!" | Jan 10 21:01 | |
| DaemonFC | it has SMP x 8, Windows NT 6.1 technically has SMP x 256, but Microsoft restricts it according to how much money you paid them | Jan 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | so Windows 7 Home will support 256 cores as long as they're all on one CPU | Jan 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | which would kind of hurt my brain to think about that configuration, it's coming though I guess | Jan 10 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm happy with four cores, I haven't really come across any task that gives this CPU a problem | Jan 10 21:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2564065/red_ring_of_rant_a_mad_gamers_opinion.html?cat=9 | Jan 10 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like youi | Jan 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | /youi/you/ | Jan 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | http://orange.mync.com/site/orange/news%7CSports%7CLifestyles/story/46628/XBox_____Repair_______Permanenet_Repair_For_Overheating_And_Freeze_Ups | Jan 10 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I'm not the only one finished with XBOX | Jan 10 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that sales of their next system will suffer because of people like me that remember how unreliable their last one was | Jan 10 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced it with Wii for a number of reasons, 100% backward compatibility was one of them and another was they have like 1/30th the failure rate of XBOX 360 | Jan 10 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | 30 XBOX 360s die per 1 Wii, that's just too damned funny | Jan 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | There's no next version, DaemonFC | Jan 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/microsoft-has-no-current-plans-for-the-next-xbox-662624 | Jan 10 21:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft has no current plans for the 'next' Xbox | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 59.87 KB | Jan 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you haven't heard yet | Jan 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's like Microsoft is saying "You're 30 times more likely to experience a failure with our system that costs 3 times more" | Jan 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | "Buy XBOX" :P | Jan 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Ok | Jan 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll quote you on it tomorrow | Jan 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Their shareholders must have had enough of quarter after quarter of lost money since 2001 | Jan 10 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | I had kind of wondered how long they would tolerate a product that does nothing besides burn cash | Jan 10 21:20 |
| MinceR | s/keep/keep giving/ | Jan 10 21:20 |
| MinceR | there, now my last sentence is understandable. :> | Jan 10 21:21 |
| MinceR | well, before the last | Jan 10 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | apparently 10 years of bad product is their bullshit threshold | Jan 10 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: When I say 3 times more, I mean not just the initial price, cause that's easy to manipulate, I mean the $100 wifi, the $60 a year XBOX Live | Jan 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | the $10 more for every game | Jan 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | added onto the $300 console | Jan 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | initial price point is what makes or breaks a sale, I know that from being in retail | Jan 10 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | you have to price things to where they look affordable even when they aren't, and then shove everything else in as an "accessory" | Jan 10 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Like, you see retailers selling Blu Ray Disc players well below what they bought them for, but a new release movie will be $30 or higher | Jan 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | video game consoles have always been loss leaders, but leave it to Microsoft to really start making you bleed for games and accessories later | Jan 10 21:25 |
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| DaemonFC | even stuff that should have been part of the console | Jan 10 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | it really tells you how poorly managed their XBOX division is if they take in that kind of money and can't post a profit | Jan 10 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | most of the things they sell you are imaginary! like "Microsoft Points" | Jan 10 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | they don't even incur any expenses to make or distribute or retail that stuff | Jan 10 21:26 |
| MinceR | perhaps it's a mechanism to avoid taxes | Jan 10 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: that wouldn't really make sense though | Jan 10 21:28 |
| MinceR | sell monopoly money from location A (tax haven); allow customer to "buy" stuff for monopoly money in location B | Jan 10 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | you know Microsoft is already over the maximum tax bracket | Jan 10 21:28 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that method is relevant in this case though | Jan 10 21:28 |
| MinceR | and they refuse to pay taxes anyway | Jan 10 21:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have just been (unrequested) made an admin at RationalWiki.com. o_0 | Jan 10 21:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | debating whether or not to post my entire Vorbis collection to Demonoid | Jan 10 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | I know they comply with DMCA take downs sometimes though | Jan 10 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | that would be a lot of work and maybe a lawsuit :P | Jan 10 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: ping? | Jan 10 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=141250 | Jan 10 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | Is this really a satire? http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=6539 | Jan 10 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone speak Chinese here? | Jan 10 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I actually got that fortune cookie | Jan 10 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | I lol'd | Jan 10 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I know that's what it means cause I asked the lady working there | Jan 10 22:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 10 22:20 |
| trmanco | I'm already using FF 3.6 as my main browser | Jan 10 22:21 |
| MinceR | "look it up on the Web with Disease." | Jan 10 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco: I've been using Seamonkey lately | Jan 10 22:21 |
| trmanco | I only want a browser | Jan 10 22:21 |
| trmanco | not a all in one | Jan 10 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's only like 2 MB bigger download than Firefox | Jan 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Ballmer might say it is a "cancer" that he hopes will "attach itself to anything it touches" | Jan 10 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | not even that | Jan 10 22:22 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 10 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | by the time you add Chatzilla, and Thunderbird to Firefox, it's actually a lot bigger than Seamonkey | Jan 10 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | duplication of a lot of stuff that is unified in Seamonkey | Jan 10 22:23 |
| trmanco | but I only want s browser | Jan 10 22:24 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jan 10 22:24 |
| trmanco | a* | Jan 10 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | I thought Firefox was pointless the moment they announced it | Jan 10 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | has to be simple if they market to simpletons | Jan 10 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | so lets take two thirds of what it can do away and decrease the install size by 10% | Jan 10 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | call it something else :D | Jan 10 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | gievn how MS infect rival boardrooms and turn them into MS cells, I'd say they intentionally model their buisness on cancer cells | Jan 10 22:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So now Im back (and have a few articles waiting further ino) I am going to take some time to re-organize my site. | Jan 10 22:25 | |
| ThistleWeb | then either sell or partner up to MS so they become part of the whole and no longer separate....or kill it off | Jan 10 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | seems Ballmer has studied the way cancer works | Jan 10 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | Why is Novell allowing Moonlight to use Vorbis and Theora? | Jan 10 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Silverlight doesn't support those | Jan 10 22:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Its amazing how many articles never made it to the publishing stage. Must have nearly 40 articles I didn't deem suitable for Openbytes | Jan 10 22:27 | |
| MinceR | 232352 < DaemonFC> I thought Firefox was pointless the moment they announced it | Jan 10 22:28 |
| MinceR | i thought so too | Jan 10 22:28 |
| MinceR | it took me a while to even try it (iirc it was called Firebird when i did) | Jan 10 22:28 |
| MinceR | but i think that getting Gecko out of the UI was a good thing :) | Jan 10 22:29 |
| MinceR | now if they'd get rid of XUL there too... | Jan 10 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | one thing I don't like about Firefox is that Microsoft trojans in plug ins for it | Jan 10 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | they don't affect Seamonkey, not enough users to bother with I guess | Jan 10 22:31 |
| oiaohm | I wish Firefox would just disable the third party add extentions and require all approved. | Jan 10 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | firefox does need to think about more secure way of doing addons | Jan 10 22:35 |
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| oiaohm | It still no where as bad as what you can get away with active controls in IE ThistleWeb | Jan 10 22:37 |
| MinceR | people should stop using m$ malware. then they wouldn't have their firefox installations infected by them | Jan 10 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I do like the flexibility of fireofx with addons, but I can see where it could easily be exploited | Jan 10 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Items like .net plugins that put you at risk. Should not auto enable. MinceR | Jan 10 22:38 |
| MinceR | should not install the malware that installs them. | Jan 10 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's my major objection | Jan 10 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | they're adding security flaws to my browser without my permission | Jan 10 22:38 |
| MinceR | also, it should be possible to legally punish m$ for these tricks | Jan 10 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | it could be done securely and retain the functionality | Jan 10 22:39 |
| MinceR | i don't really see how it could be possible to prevent a third-party app from installing add-ons into firefox | Jan 10 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | same thing as walking up to your car while you're not looking and cutting the brake cables | Jan 10 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 10 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Change in addons while off line report to user for approval MinceR | Jan 10 22:40 |
| MinceR | m$ crap shouldn't be trusted to run unsandboxed with admin rights at all | Jan 10 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Now someone caught by passing that would be internionally avoiding user. | Jan 10 22:40 |
| oiaohm | So in breach of law. | Jan 10 22:40 |
| MinceR | though if possible, they should add the ability to remove all addons (iirc m$ crap somehow disabled disabling/uninstalling their add-ons) | Jan 10 22:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: your idea would certainly help anyway | Jan 10 22:41 |
| MinceR | if in no other way then by warning the user that someone isn't playing fair | Jan 10 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | I was disappointed in how Mozilla handled that | Jan 10 22:41 |
| MinceR | until of course m$ breaks this functionality too | Jan 10 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | they should have blacklisted all versions until Microsoft changed it to require consent for installation | Jan 10 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Problem is what MS does with .net is inside old netscape plugin design. | Jan 10 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie permited by rules. | Jan 10 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically the rules need revission. | Jan 10 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Firefox has added a plugin black list. | Jan 10 22:43 |
| oiaohm | But users are not really in full control of it. | Jan 10 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Another car to avoid: Kia. http://www.nitrobahn.com/news/microsoft-kia-debut-uvo-at-ces/ | Jan 10 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222200085 | Jan 10 22:56 |
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| oiaohm | What I am wondering is how long before android appears in cars. | Jan 10 22:59 |
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| wallc_ | Hello, hello... | Jan 10 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Hi wallc_ | Jan 10 23:00 |
| wallc_ | Hi! :) | Jan 10 23:00 |
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| wallc_ | is Roy here? | Jan 10 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Hey !! | Jan 10 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I was baffled by your mails | Jan 10 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I think I know why | Jan 10 23:01 |
| wallc_ | I was baffled by yours too...lol | Jan 10 23:01 |
| schestowitz | You thought PJ and I said something rogue or whatever | Jan 10 23:01 |
| schestowitz | But no... I was sort of trying to get you to speak in case you hadn't | Jan 10 23:01 |
| wallc_ | well, it's all straightened out now. BUT I have a question... | Jan 10 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | You said it bothered you at night... oh noes! | Jan 10 23:02 |
| schestowitz | I was rather bother that I couldn't make use of your transcription | Jan 10 23:02 |
| wallc_ | Why coudn't you use the transcription? | Jan 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and BTW: I have some good posts coming tomorrow. | Jan 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: you didn't send them to me (Guardian) | Jan 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't expecting to have much response to the request | Jan 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jan 10 23:03 |
| wallc_ | all it needed was to be checked against the known verified original. | Jan 10 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I've disabled ratings on new posts for technical reasons | Jan 10 23:04 |
| wallc_ | Ok, I guess we're talking about two different things... | Jan 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm waiting for tessier__ to back me up while I try another thing to speed up the site | Jan 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: sort of | Jan 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: have you found good Comes stuff? | Jan 10 23:04 |
| wallc_ | I only have a rough draft of the Guardian interview...but I'm happy to send it to you as-is, if you want. | Jan 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Surely you've looked left and right at GL, maybe you found something important we have not covered? | Jan 10 23:05 |
| wallc_ | Yes, some very very interesting Comes stuff. | Jan 10 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep proxy + rating systems equals one really confused rating system. | Jan 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: hold on to it, it's good to have personalised versions :0) | Jan 10 23:05 |
| wallc_ | Ok | Jan 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I did listen to it later that day.... had that play while I had a shower | Jan 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Reading doesn't work in shower, Audio works ok :-) | Jan 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | [23:05] <wallc_> Yes, some very very interesting Comes stuff. | Jan 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | What theme/topic? | Jan 10 23:06 |
| wallc_ | My question though is about the reference to "the Fox" in one of the exhibits. PJ wants to find it, but I don't know where to look. | Jan 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | http://redmondmag.com/articles/2010/01/07/microsoft-launches-tech-policy-site.aspx | Jan 10 23:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Launches Tech Policy Web Site -- Redmondmag.com .::. Size~: 61.86 KB | Jan 10 23:07 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: hold on. | Jan 10 23:07 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: it's PX09346.pdf | Jan 10 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I have the text | Jan 10 23:07 |
| wallc_ | do you have a link? or can you send it to me in email? | Jan 10 23:08 |
| schestowitz | winfield text: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/25/microsoft-anti-linux-presentation/winfield text | Jan 10 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/25/microsoft-anti-linux-presentation/ | Jan 10 23:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Comes: Microsofts Anti-GNU/Linux Presentation and Explanation of Bribery | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 175.23 KB | Jan 10 23:09 |
| schestowitz | It was already viewed thousands of times | Jan 10 23:09 |
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| wallc_ | argh, that's a lot of pages...do you remember where in there it mentions the fox? Please don't make me read it all... :) | Jan 10 23:12 |
| wallc_ | peas? | Jan 10 23:12 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 10 23:12 |
| schestowitz | 63 | Jan 10 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I told pj already | Jan 10 23:13 |
| schestowitz | or search the page | Jan 10 23:13 |
| schestowitz | ALso: | Jan 10 23:13 |
| schestowitz | !google alex brown fox | Jan 10 23:13 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Alex Brown is Microsoft's “Insider Friend, 'the Fox'” | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/30/alex-brown-the-fox/ | Jan 10 23:13 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Alex Brown, Defensive End, Chicago Bears, NFL Football Player ... | http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/alex-brownalex-brown/87417 | Jan 10 23:13 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Quick Brown Fox: On finally finding my lover, Alex Strachan | http://quick-brown-fox-canada.blogspot.com/2009/05/on-finally-finding-my-lover-alex.html | Jan 10 23:13 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Fox Sports Community - Fox Sports > Thread - Alex Brown On Brett Favre | http://community.foxsports.com/go/thread/view/67121/18535818/%3Fpg%3Dlast | Jan 10 23:13 |
| wallc_ | sports? chicago bears? uge... | Jan 10 23:14 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't expecting this | Jan 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/30/alex-brown-the-fox/ | Jan 10 23:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Alex Brown is Microsofts “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 117.09 KB | Jan 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | BN has a lot of material showing Brown's actions and affiliations | Jan 10 23:15 |
| wallc_ | nobody expects the wallc_ inquisition... | Jan 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | We have some real dynamite on his servitude to Microsoft, since 2007 | Jan 10 23:15 |
| wallc_ | ok...but none of that is part of the Comes stuff, right? | Jan 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: he smears us along with others whom we exposed | Jan 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Like his best mate (lover?) Lund | Jan 10 23:16 |
| wallc_ | You multi-tasking youngsters'll be the death of me :) | Jan 10 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. How? | Jan 10 23:17 |
| schestowitz | The genius is oiaohm | Jan 10 23:17 |
| wallc_ | Right now, and for the next couple of days, I'm going to be helping with the Comes vs MS stuff... | Jan 10 23:17 |
| wallc_ | I thought all of this had to do with some of the Comes transcriptions I did. | Jan 10 23:18 |
| wallc_ | Hey, old people gotta focus on things, one thing at a time... | Jan 10 23:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Neanderthals "died of makeup" http://newstechnica.com/2010/01/10/neanderthals-died-of-makeup/ | Jan 10 23:20 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Neanderthals died of makeup | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.55 KB | Jan 10 23:20 |
| wallc_ | "Neanderthals died of makeup"? Did they use too much mascara? | Jan 10 23:22 |
| wallc_ | Rogue rouge? | Jan 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Wait, I catch up | Jan 10 23:22 |
| *schestowitz Can't multitask well | Jan 10 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | wallc_: yeah, well... SCO case resumes in 9 weeks | Jan 10 23:23 |
| wallc_ | well, that makes me feel better. :D | Jan 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | So Groklaw has time in its hands.... to juggle and drive the mafia insane | Jan 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: you'll probably sit there | Jan 10 23:23 |
| wallc_ | where? | Jan 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Comes case | Jan 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Then go the AZ's Microsoft Store | Jan 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jan 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Tom Harvey..... | Jan 10 23:24 |
| wallc_ | lol... | Jan 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | He covers Microsoft positively, not just SCO | Jan 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I saw this 2 hours ago | Jan 10 23:24 |
| wallc_ | I think it would be great to be able to go to Utah for the trial. | Jan 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft crowd is whitewashing James Plamondon http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/No-More-Mr-Bad-Guy-for-Microsoft-69018.html | Jan 10 23:26 |
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| schestowitz | And mentions 'bad' Groklaw... | Jan 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/business/10corner.html | Jan 10 23:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Corner Office - Tony Hsieh of Zappos - Celebrate Individuality - Question - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 77.92 KB | Jan 10 23:26 |
| wallc_ | "The Unbundling of Marketing From Warfare" hahahahaha! ok that's funny. | Jan 10 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Ok wallc_ I am not a youngster just I multitask | Jan 10 23:28 |
| wallc_ | Well, I need food and some time away from the keyboard. Take care... | Jan 10 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Its more prac than anything else. | Jan 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2010/01/08/round-up-of-last-week-s-oracle-might-buy-citrix-rumor.aspx | Jan 10 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Now what would be wrong is Orcale buys SUSE - .net | Jan 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: you can do both | Jan 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Multitask with Mr. Tea and Miss keyboard :-p | Jan 10 23:29 |
| wallc_ | oiaohm, I'm glad to know that someone can multi-task, I thought it was just a myth... | Jan 10 23:29 |
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| oiaohm | My mother is over 40 and she is scary at it. | Jan 10 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I had an argument about it with a friend last week | Jan 10 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Our minds are still linear | Jan 10 23:30 |
| schestowitz | We can watch only one spot at a time and process that | Jan 10 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Only person I know who can run 3 4gz machines at 100 percent and be answering phones. | Jan 10 23:30 |
| schestowitz | He said Rain Man could separate his eyes like a gecko and read two pages at the same time | Jan 10 23:30 |
| wallc_ | My poor keyboard...I eat lunch at my computer everyday...sometimes breakfast too...My friends laugh at me because I swap out keyboards every couple of weeks and wash them, and hang them out to dry. | Jan 10 23:31 |
| oiaohm | She works in accountancy doing auditing of businesses. She is allways complaining how software is. | Jan 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: *LOL* | Jan 10 23:32 |
| oiaohm | funny enough you can not log into windows typing at over 115 words per min. | Jan 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | There are phones like that | Jan 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Last week one was advertised for being one you put in the dishwasher | Jan 10 23:32 |
| oiaohm | XP and vista still tell you your password is invaide if you do that. | Jan 10 23:32 |
| oiaohm | So far my mother has destroyed 3 keyboards over it. | Jan 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Keyboards are cheap | Jan 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | They make them in sweat shops | Jan 10 23:33 |
| oiaohm | 200 dollar keyboards. | Jan 10 23:33 |
| oiaohm | The ones with real switches. | Jan 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ok | Jan 10 23:33 |
| MinceR | i'd like a keyboard with real switches but with no click and very light keypresses. | Jan 10 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Typing on the cheep ones over 100 words per min they go down to stress fractures. | Jan 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e326844a-f998-11de-8085-00144feab49a,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2Fe326844a-f998-11de-8085-00144feab49a.html&_i_referer= | Jan 10 23:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: FT.com / UK - Smartbook launch threatens growth of netbook .::. Size~: 30.05 KB | Jan 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | "You have viewed your 30 days allowance of 1 free article. If you wish to view more, you can register for free by clicking on the button below." | Jan 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Commercial suicide | Jan 10 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Yep people exist who can multi task. | Jan 10 23:34 |
| wallc_ | I have keyboards over ten years old, I just spray them downin the sink and hang them out to dry. Seriously. But I live in a dry warm climate, so it works out fine. Peanut butter and jelly are the worst to get off from the keys though... | Jan 10 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Its a trained skill. | Jan 10 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Its rare to be born with multi tasking skill. | Jan 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: how about plate-shaped keyboard for you? | Jan 10 23:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | With extender apron :-) | Jan 10 23:35 |
| oiaohm | There is worse to get out of keyboards. | Jan 10 23:35 |
| oiaohm | coke a cola. The magic keyboard killer. | Jan 10 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Followed by coffee. | Jan 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Sticky keys | Jan 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Literally | Jan 10 23:36 |
| MinceR | followed by sulfuric acid | Jan 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Not in the technical sense | Jan 10 23:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Those two eat the metal off the tracks. | Jan 10 23:36 |
| wallc_ | plate-shaped would be great, but no pancakes with syrup :) | Jan 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Soft drinks are just sticky keys. | Jan 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | wallc_: you'd hit the keys with forks | Jan 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | The mouse is made of two overlapping and right-angles chopsticks | Jan 10 23:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Power, corruption and lies. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/25901.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/539898.html | Jan 10 23:37 | |
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| wallc_ | hmmm, i consider chopsticks to be multi-tasking...lol | Jan 10 23:38 |
| wallc_ | bye for now :) | Jan 10 23:38 |
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| oiaohm | http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=164465 | Jan 10 23:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: You got your peanutbutter on my cpu! You got your cpu in my peanut - OverclockersClub Forums .::. Size~: 104.56 KB | Jan 10 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok this is just wrong. | Jan 10 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357813,00.asp "Sprint on Wedneday drew the chief executives of Microsoft, Best Buy and Nokia to a launch of a single wireless router. " | Jan 10 23:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sprint Launches WiMAX Router with Star Power - Reviews by PC Magazine .::. Size~: 77.24 KB | Jan 10 23:38 |
| amarsh04 | does that router run linux? | Jan 10 23:41 |
| oiaohm | It will be Linux or BSD. | Jan 10 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Don't know... | Jan 10 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Sprint don't produce a router that is not one or the other. | Jan 10 23:47 |
| oiaohm | So its a 50 50 bet amarsh04 | Jan 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... I wonder why the server is idle... maybe connectivity? | Jan 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what would you suggest if activity just totally stopped and restarting apache has no effect? | Jan 10 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm on ssh, so it's still connected | Jan 10 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe xen malfunction? | Jan 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Can you visit web site from where you are. | Jan 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie both places. | Jan 10 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish they'd quit pushing wimax | Jan 10 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it cant be 100% unlimited service with no caps | Jan 10 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | then its a scam | Jan 10 23:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: tessier's site is down too | Jan 10 23:52 |
| oiaohm | like links browser on server. | Jan 10 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Make sure appache is working. | Jan 10 23:52 |
| oiaohm | I would say something has gone wrong schestowitz | Jan 10 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Where is the question schestowitz | Jan 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | What's weird is that all CPU is at 0 | Jan 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Everything | Jan 10 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: wimax could be useful here. Since it can operate on unlicence 5 ghz range. | Jan 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Like no process is doing anything | Jan 10 23:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, and then use up space for N. | Jan 10 23:53 |
| oiaohm | If you have no requests there will be no load schestowitz | Jan 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | There are requests | Jan 10 23:54 |
| oiaohm | This is sounding like Xen could be nutted. schestowitz | Jan 10 23:54 |
| schestowitz | That's what I suspect cause it happened last month | Jan 10 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Hmm twice. | Jan 10 23:55 |
| oiaohm | That is odd. | Jan 10 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: wifi N and wimax use different sections of 5 space. | Jan 10 23:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no overlap? | Jan 10 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Default devices will not Diablo-D3 | Jan 10 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Also most new wifi n cards are coming out support wimax as well. wimax is designed for range. wifi n is designed for close up. | Jan 10 23:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | wimax is designed for a pure IP transit | Jan 10 23:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in, its "4G" in cell phone speak | Jan 10 23:57 |
| oiaohm | wimax is also design to work along side wifi. | Jan 10 23:58 |
| oiaohm | wimax can simply do km's where wifi cannot. | Jan 10 23:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, yes, look what I said above. | Jan 10 23:59 |
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