| oiaohm | Ie wimax/wifi routers with supporting clients can change clients between wifi and wimax based on range. | Jan 11 00:00 |
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| Diablo-D3 | yes but | Jan 11 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | wimax is a last mile solution | Jan 11 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | which leads back to what I originally said | Jan 11 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Last mile both ways. | Jan 11 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're trying to perpetrate the cell phone scam further | Jan 11 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Wimax you will be permited to run you own transmitters. | Jan 11 00:01 |
| oiaohm | so its last mile both ways. | Jan 11 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but Im not interested in deploying my own wimax | Jan 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ping... | Jan 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Oops. tessier: ping.. | Jan 11 00:02 |
| oiaohm | 4G only operates in restricted freqs. Diablo-D3 | Jan 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567785/marvell-launches-quad-core-arm-cpu | Jan 11 00:03 |
| oiaohm | wimax also support mesh networking Diablo-D3 | Jan 11 00:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: thats not news | Jan 11 00:04 |
| oiaohm | wimax is very much upgrade for range wifi. | Jan 11 00:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I knew about that months ago | Jan 11 00:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: how is it possible you dont listen? | Jan 11 00:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I want wimax as an alternative to cable and dsl. | Jan 11 00:04 |
| oiaohm | And what will bring those prices down. | Jan 11 00:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | if its not deployed here, it wont | Jan 11 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Perth here is a great example. | Jan 11 00:05 |
| oiaohm | they have the cheapest internet rates around. | Jan 11 00:05 |
| oiaohm | They also have the largest mesh network. | Jan 11 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont care about australia. | Jan 11 00:06 |
| oiaohm | People could download and then share sideways. | Jan 11 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, hell | Jan 11 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | sprint | Jan 11 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | has one of the 4g techs out | Jan 11 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | pretty sure its wimax as opposed to whatever 3gpp is doing | Jan 11 00:06 |
| oiaohm | 3G has it limits. | Jan 11 00:08 |
| oiaohm | 3G is great for voip. Not that great for lots of other things. | Jan 11 00:10 |
| oiaohm | 3G lack of means for normal people to broad cast. Means you cannot connect directly between devices effectively. There are a lot of advantages WiMax can get by meshing that 3G does not have. | Jan 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2010/01/coby-sold-a-few-netbooks-last-year-wants-to-sell-more-this-year.html "And Coby has determined that Linux isn’t widely enough accepted in the US to make Coby netbooks running Ubuntu very successful, although the company has sold some Linux-based netbooks overseas." | Jan 11 00:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Coby sold a few netbooks last year, wants to sell more this year .::. Size~: 32.95 KB | Jan 11 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft search use is also about triple that of the rest of the world | Jan 11 00:23 |
| oiaohm | We are entering a transtion state. More and more duel OS things. | Jan 11 00:23 |
| schestowitz | It's not just BN that's down | Jan 11 00:25 |
| schestowitz | tessier's other sites (on other VMs) are too | Jan 11 00:25 |
| oiaohm | So something is shot somewhere schestowitz | Jan 11 00:26 |
| schestowitz | What might it be? | Jan 11 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I can't do anything from here, I reckon he's away too at the moment (Sunday afternoon) | Jan 11 00:28 |
| schestowitz | For a moment there was a blip of activity | Jan 11 00:29 |
| schestowitz | But it's nearly 0.00 all the time | Jan 11 00:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.perl.com/lpt/a/997 | Jan 11 00:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Perl.com: Programming is Hard, Let's Go Scripting... .::. Size~: 34.73 KB | Jan 11 00:30 |
| schestowitz | http://loadcode.blogspot.com/2009/11/advantages-of-c-over-c.html | Jan 11 00:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Load Code: Advantages of C over C++ .::. Size~: 74.49 KB | Jan 11 00:30 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Maine wins major grant for broadband infrastructure http://ur1.ca/jiwo #internet | Jan 11 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, it's back | Jan 11 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Odd that | Jan 11 00:34 |
| schestowitz | WHat's most strange about it is the timing | Jan 11 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe tessier is back | Jan 11 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I was just running heavy computations to test something and it sort of woke up the whole thing | Jan 11 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I find this odd... it's like it was woken up by me messing about with CPU rerunning stuff.... | Jan 11 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1301 | Jan 11 00:40 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Lenovo Newsroom | One PC, Two Devices: Lenovo Reveals the Industry’s First Hybrid Notebook .::. Size~: 36.12 KB | Jan 11 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Jan 11 00:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT @privacyint: RT @vvcrishna http://bit.ly/50CurN Indian Express on enabling surveillance supported by identity tracking | Jan 11 00:41 | |
| oiaohm | Please don't be server sleeping schestowitz | Jan 11 00:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The personal is the personal .::. Size~: 66.17 KB | Jan 11 00:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I didn't know html could do automatic hyphenation. This is cool: http://ur1.ca/jixf | Jan 11 00:42 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Economic Case for Open Source Foundations .::. Size~: 35.18 KB | Jan 11 00:42 |
| oiaohm | The Lenovo 2 in one. Comes with a fairly high price point. | Jan 11 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I am old enough to remember the apple 2 in one. | Jan 11 00:43 |
| oiaohm | 486 processor + PowerPC. | Jan 11 00:43 |
| schestowitz | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/our-new-approach-to-buying-mobile-phone.html | Jan 11 00:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Official Google Blog: Our new approach to buying a mobile phone .::. Size~: 83.93 KB | Jan 11 00:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what do you mean server sleeping? | Jan 11 00:44 |
| schestowitz | You think it hibernated? | Jan 11 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. Tasks that should be sending on network traffic going to sleep mode. | Jan 11 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Due to non activitiy or something else strange. Then failing to wake up. | Jan 11 00:45 |
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| phIRCe-local | Hello World! I'm phIRCe-local running phIRCe v0.3 | Jan 11 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Test... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFHL72k_fK8&feature=related | Jan 11 00:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Cold War: After Stalin (1953-1956) Part 3 of 5 .::. Size~: 129.14 KB | Jan 11 00:49 |
| schestowitz | OK, it works | Jan 11 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, trmanco! | Jan 11 00:49 |
| trmanco | oh course it does :-P | Jan 11 00:49 |
| trmanco | you're welcome | Jan 11 00:49 |
| trmanco | -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/10/afghanistan-journalist-rupert-hamer | Jan 11 00:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sunday Mirror journalist Rupert Hamer killed in Afghanistan |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 80.26 KB | Jan 11 00:50 |
| trmanco | Grabbed this link from earlier today http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567785/marvell-launches-quad-core-arm-cpu | Jan 11 00:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Marvell launches quad-core arm cpu - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 58.84 KB | Jan 11 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Nice! | Jan 11 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Inquirer was another tricky one | Jan 11 00:51 |
| schestowitz | So it was symbol handling then | Jan 11 00:51 |
| schestowitz | \r and \n | Jan 11 00:51 |
| oiaohm | The spec of that arm chip goes up to 8 cores per chip. | Jan 11 00:51 |
| trmanco | yes | Jan 11 00:51 |
| trmanco | \s \t | Jan 11 00:51 |
| oiaohm | So far no one releasing them. schestowitz | Jan 11 00:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: still energy efficient? | Jan 11 00:52 |
| trmanco | I just replaced them with nothing | Jan 11 00:52 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I thought the Guardian was just being an arse | Jan 11 00:52 |
| oiaohm | any not used core fully powers off schestowitz | Jan 11 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Few places like amazon are looking at them to replace sections of there server farms schestowitz | Jan 11 00:53 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.tilera.com/products/TILE-Gx.php << But they have to compete with this. | Jan 11 00:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tilera Corporation .::. Size~: 16.94 KB | Jan 11 00:54 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: Sorry about that. Routine network maintenance had an unintended side effect. | Jan 11 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you just kicked toe on something you should not have tessier___ | Jan 11 00:55 |
| tessier___ | Not exactly but you can think of it like that. :) | Jan 11 00:55 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: We would like to test something to check that this won't happen again but it may involve a few more minutes of downtime as we reboot a router. | Jan 11 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | tessier___: hey | Jan 11 01:00 |
| schestowitz | It's happening again :-) | Jan 11 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Glad you're back | Jan 11 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Scroll up, I wrote what I could gather :-) | Jan 11 01:00 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I have never seen a website that takes individual based opinion from IRC so seriously | Jan 11 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | tessier___: no problem, go for a reboot | Jan 11 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: which one specifically? | Jan 11 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: depends if the people in the channel are admins in there own right and are known as such. | Jan 11 01:02 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: I have an idea that may reduce load considerably. Replacing a plugin that's a CPU hog | Jan 11 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Two of them actually | Jan 11 01:02 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> tessier__: let me know when you're around. I know how to reduce load, but in case something goes wrong I need to have someone who can restore the DB from backup | Jan 11 01:02 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: there seems to be problems loading the page | Jan 11 01:03 |
| oiaohm | That is what we were just talking about Ziomatrix | Jan 11 01:03 |
| oiaohm | tessier___ is the hosting site owner for boycottnovell | Jan 11 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Its going to be down for a few mins while he hunts down a intermit problem Ziomatrix | Jan 11 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Microsoft's Wipro goes to Linux..... http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100106006009&newsLang=en | Jan 11 01:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Wipro Joins Open Handset Alliance: Strengthens Android Eco-System with Its Device R&D Expertise | Business Wire .::. Size~: 65.07 KB | Jan 11 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yes, maintenance | Jan 11 01:05 |
| oiaohm | MS must be cursing over that one with Wipro going Linux. | Jan 11 01:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: that latest torrent of issues helps make the site stronger... better caching and all... I am going to work on improving it further in a moment. | Jan 11 01:06 |
| schestowitz | BN server has been up for 131 days | Jan 11 01:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, it's bizarre | Jan 11 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Wipro is one of their shills in India, like Infosys | Jan 11 01:07 |
| tessier___ | Yeay. That particular problem is solved. | Jan 11 01:07 |
| schestowitz | It must be bad for Windows Mobile is Wipro walks away | Jan 11 01:07 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: I'm around if you want to try replacing your plugin. | Jan 11 01:07 |
| *oiaohm gives tessier___ pen paper and stickers to record well what not to let happen again. | Jan 11 01:08 | |
| schestowitz | COol. I can do it alone, but I don't know how to restore db from backup if something goes wrong | Jan 11 01:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll do it now when you're around | Jan 11 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Just one small thing: | Jan 11 01:09 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | Jan 11 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Wow, that’s funny. Microsoft has always intended Silverlight to be a general document replacement for html and pdf and other media. | Jan 11 01:09 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Jan 11 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Probably <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/category/xps/">XPS</a> actually. | Jan 11 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Wrong paste | Jan 11 01:09 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: XPS | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 170.05 KB | Jan 11 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | tessier___: some pages that start with "wp-admin" are being cached | Jan 11 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why | Jan 11 01:10 |
| schestowitz | The issue is that when I make changed to pages I see them in historical form sometimes | Jan 11 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Wipro has to make a profit. There is almost no profit to be made from MS phones any more. | Jan 11 01:10 |
| schestowitz | *>changes | Jan 11 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | unique IPs are needed for rating plugin, so I'm disabling that on new posts, which will also reduce load significantly. | Jan 11 01:12 |
| schestowitz | http://samus.typepad.com/what/2010/01/reflecting-on-120-days-of-the-codeplex-foundation.html | Jan 11 01:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Reflecting on 120 days of the CodePlex Foundation - What Do You Care What Other People Think? .::. Size~: 40.51 KB | Jan 11 01:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: trmanco patched the bot. You can not paste YouTube URLs and have descriptions of them | Jan 11 01:13 |
| oiaohm | By the time Windows Phone 7 gets released. Its will be targeted at the wrong market. | Jan 11 01:14 |
| schestowitz | One source says 2011 | Jan 11 01:15 |
| oiaohm | By 2011 there will be no such thing as phone OS's | Jan 11 01:15 |
| oiaohm | if the current trend remains. | Jan 11 01:15 |
| oiaohm | I see no reason for it to change. | Jan 11 01:16 |
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| oiaohm | Really the iphone started it. | Jan 11 01:16 |
| oiaohm | ie iphone is cutdown OS X. | Jan 11 01:16 |
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| MinceR | iirc there were linux-based phones before the hypePhone | Jan 11 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://gayrights.change.org/actions/view/demand_michigan_prosecutor_drop_hiv-as-terrorism_charges | Jan 11 01:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Actions | Gay Rights | Change.org .::. Size~: 54.8 KB | Jan 11 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | a Michigan prosecutor is trying to charge a man with "bioterrorism" because he has AIDS | Jan 11 01:19 |
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| oiaohm | Now if he was not taking anti retro drugs to control it. It might be justified. | Jan 11 01:20 |
| MinceR | one must be careful with claims about crApple being the first in anything except turning computers into idiot boxes | Jan 11 01:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: apple has been first with a few things. | Jan 11 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Ok normally did not stay in there form. | Jan 11 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Like using the same port to connect everything with auto detection. | Jan 11 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | abusive anti-terrorism laws used to attack gay people with | Jan 11 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | have they actually stopped any terrorists? | Jan 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: I think we have a "Bingo!" | Jan 11 01:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it depends of course on how you define terrorist | Jan 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | I may have found what's hogging things | Jan 11 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably some malicious uber-Christian prosecutor | Jan 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: just to be sure, you're there, right? | Jan 11 01:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the practical usian definition is "anyone who dares think for themselves and isn't allied with the usian government and their masters" | Jan 11 01:24 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: Yes | Jan 11 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Gandhi might get called a terrorist these days. | Jan 11 01:25 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: I am in the datacenter with the server | Jan 11 01:25 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: You made the change already? | Jan 11 01:25 |
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| schestowitz | Cool! | Jan 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: it's the rating plugin | Jan 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It's what caused some page to take up to 2 minutes ti load | Jan 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not the threaded comments like I had suspected | Jan 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | I did some testing | Jan 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: can we restore to the DB which is /home/boycottn/wordpressdatabase-09012010.dump.gz ? | Jan 11 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It's from 20 minutes ago | Jan 11 01:28 |
| tessier___ | ok | Jan 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait1 | Jan 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | wait. | Jan 11 01:29 |
| tessier___ | Did the db get hosed? | Jan 11 01:29 |
| tessier___ | ok | Jan 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | wordpressdatabase-10012010.dump.gz | Jan 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | That's the one from 20 minutes ago | Jan 11 01:29 |
| tessier___ | so that is the one you want restored? | Jan 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | I didn't hose it, I just tested the existing one for 20 minutes to see what slowed it down so badly | Jan 11 01:30 |
| tessier___ | and the testing put in a bunch of bogus data or something? | Jan 11 01:30 |
| schestowitz | /home/boycottn/wordpressdatabase-10012010.dump.gz from Jan 10 17:08 | Jan 11 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Rolling back to yesterday would not have been fun. | Jan 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: yes, I basically suffered where there were many comments cause it had to retreive IP data for all ratings based on the request from the actual user. It's the same thing that killed DIgg performance for people with many "friends" | Jan 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I would have still had the backup from 20 minutes ago | Jan 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Pages that used to take 1 minute of server load to come up should now take a few seconds, based on what I saw anyway. | Jan 11 01:32 |
| schestowitz | These might be those pages which tessier___ reported as bad queries | Jan 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | heavy, not bad | Jan 11 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Bad app: | Jan 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | timeout - big pages - backup, disable comment plugin, test settings | Jan 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | wp-admin cache | Jan 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | IP - stats, rating | Jan 11 01:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: did you see: http://www.firsttechcu.com/home/security/fraud/security_fraud.html | Jan 11 01:43 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Onion accurately predicted the outcome of the Bush Doucheministration http://ur1.ca/0zmi #politics #douchebag | Jan 11 01:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bush: 'Our Long National Nightmare Of Peace And Prosperity Is Finally Over' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 48.82 KB | Jan 11 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | I've disabled all the ratings in the site (comments and posts) and it should be a lot faster now and also help reduce the load :-) | Jan 11 01:54 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: thanks. It seems a lot faster now (pageloads) and server load too, but it's too small a sample to judge by yet | Jan 11 01:56 |
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| DaemonFC | heh, I just ran across some old WMA files on a 12 year old hard drive | Jan 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | WMA seems to be going obsolete | Jan 11 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | they sounded so awful that I downloaded them as FLAC and made OGGs out of them | Jan 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | WMV too... people use Flash | Jan 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | MPEG4 over the Web | Jan 11 02:00 |
| schestowitz | And MP3 for music/podcasts | Jan 11 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've found that OGG q5 will fool me almost every time vs the CD | Jan 11 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | so it's what I've taken to using | Jan 11 02:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s | Jan 11 02:02 |
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| DaemonFC | why I insist on AoTuv, I can't get any other codec to make files that small that sound as good (to me) as the CD | Jan 11 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | of course Fixed News is lies, lies, and more lies | Jan 11 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically what Republicans over 50 tend to watch | Jan 11 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | they bitch that their Social Security is being stolen and miss the fact that it's being stolen to fund the Iraq occupation | Jan 11 02:04 |
| trmanco | http://garyc.me/fun/rage2.swf | Jan 11 02:04 |
| schestowitz | There's a new thing | Jan 11 02:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/x-shockwave-flash type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 11 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | you can't fix stupid, schestowitz | Jan 11 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Today I learned that Fox is promoting ACTA | Jan 11 02:04 |
| schestowitz | I kid you not | Jan 11 02:04 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see the proof | Jan 11 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they are actually | Jan 11 02:04 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/anxjy makes more sense | Jan 11 02:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Interactive FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.32 KB | Jan 11 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're signing NDAs with the US Trade Representative to be in on the wheeling and dealing, schestowitz | Jan 11 02:05 |
| MinceR | lol @ interactive fffrustration | Jan 11 02:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows Server is interactive frustration | Jan 11 02:16 |
| schestowitz | I never used one | Jan 11 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be a bit less crash prone than 7, but I've had a hell of a time getting it set up | Jan 11 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh, BTW, tessier, some URLs that start with wp-admin get cached, still. I think you set it up such that it would not | Jan 11 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/6046/77095828.png | Jan 11 02:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 11 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 11 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | part of my fine music collection | Jan 11 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | the whole thing is just Windows 7 with a set of do it yourself paints | Jan 11 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | it asks why you're shutting it down, til you tell it not to, but I told it "Other - Unplanned- Alien Invasion" when it asked | Jan 11 02:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 11 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | alien invasion, what do you do? right? | Jan 11 02:20 |
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| MinceR | my answer to that question would have been "because windows sucks" | Jan 11 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | that might hurt its feelings though :P | Jan 11 02:23 |
| MinceR | that's an extra bonus then | Jan 11 02:23 |
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| schestowitz | This is too crass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWAzH9P728&NR=1 | Jan 11 02:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm listening to "Someday We'll Be Together" and watching my bittorrent downloads :P | Jan 11 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | ironic? maybe | Jan 11 02:29 |
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| yuhong | Bad news for now about exFAT: | Jan 11 03:39 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/01/ces-sdxc-cfast-dearth-confirm-end-of-megapixel-race.ars | Jan 11 03:40 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 11 03:41 |
| schestowitz | Is it preinstalled on these? | Jan 11 03:41 |
| yuhong | exFAT is mandated by the spec of SDXC. | Jan 11 03:42 |
| yuhong | I think, as well as Memory Stick XC | Jan 11 03:42 |
| yuhong | But yes other file systems are possible. | Jan 11 03:42 |
| schestowitz | SOme people will fight against this | Jan 11 03:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the FSF should also make a statement | Jan 11 03:43 |
| yuhong | But it depends on what the device supports. | Jan 11 03:43 |
| yuhong | For example, most devices should also support FAT32, but Windows 2000 and later cannot format FAT32 volumes >32GB in size. | Jan 11 03:44 |
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| schestowitz | 'Cannot' | Jan 11 03:46 |
| schestowitz | There's this thing called competition that spurs solutions | Jan 11 03:47 |
| cubezzz | why use FAT at all though? | Jan 11 03:49 |
| cubezzz | just format it to ext2 or whatever | Jan 11 03:49 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 11 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Tell Ballmer | Jan 11 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Horacio and the patent boyz promote Intellectual Monopolies | Jan 11 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Like Monsanto, they infect stuff with their so-called 'IP' | Jan 11 03:50 |
| cubezzz | I mean the customer can just reformat the memory card | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | THen they claim that everyone everywhere owns them money | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Patents are a nasty thing | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | On food, on algorithms or rather just some idea | Jan 11 03:51 |
| cubezzz | ah, you mean it's another kind of Microsoft tax? | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not the point | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | If someone bring his/her cam to your PC..... | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Then you need the drivee | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | *driver | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft recently said it's open..... to 'licensing' | Jan 11 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Meaning its usual racketeering | Jan 11 03:52 |
| schestowitz | IBM makes 1+ bn USD per year from patents | Jan 11 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's business model is dying | Jan 11 03:52 |
| cubezzz | so does that mean Linux can't read exFAT? | Jan 11 03:52 |
| schestowitz | It wants to license patents not, not sofwtare | Jan 11 03:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Tuxera can | Jan 11 03:52 |
| schestowitz | !google boycott novell wiki tuxera | Jan 11 03:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Patents Roundup: Tuxera Came to Microsoft, TiVo Misbehaves ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/29/patents-facebook-and-amazon/ | Jan 11 03:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Patents Roundup: Software Patents Seen as Harmful to Innovation ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/02/software-patents-seen-harmful/ | Jan 11 03:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Facebook Wants To Own Idea Of Crowdsourced Translations | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/08/26/facebook-files-for-patent-on-crowdsourced-translations/ | Jan 11 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | actually, they can format partitions greater than 32 GB | Jan 11 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | you just have to steal some old formatting tools out of Windows 98 or ME | Jan 11 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 11 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | and do it through the command prompt | Jan 11 03:54 |
| cubezzz | or how about I just don't use FAT? :) | Jan 11 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Whatever works for you | Jan 11 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with my approach is you need 32-bit Windows for that to work | Jan 11 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | cause 64-bit Windows won't run any 16-bit DOS or Windows programs | Jan 11 03:55 |
| cubezzz | I'm thinking ahead | Jan 11 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | but once you've formatted the volume, then any Windows disk utilities can defrag or chkdsk it | Jan 11 03:56 |
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| cubezzz | FAT is a pretty awful file system | Jan 11 03:56 |
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| DaemonFC | my guess is that Microsoft figured that once flash memory got past 32 GB, they'd be using a different file system anyway | Jan 11 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 98 and ME can format the volume up to 128 GB iirc | Jan 11 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 might too since you could install it to FAT32 or NTFS | Jan 11 03:57 |
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| DaemonFC | you could also install Windows XP to FAT32 if it's what you already had and you were upgrading | Jan 11 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | XP has a little conversion tool that turns your FAT32 volume into NTFS | Jan 11 03:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Yes, I've had to use it before | Jan 11 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I was working on someone's PC that had shipped with Windows 98 then was "upgraded" to Me, then to XP and was still FAT32 | Jan 11 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | and a damned mess | Jan 11 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | so when I got done cleaning it up, I defragged, converted it to NTFS, and defragged it again | Jan 11 03:59 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP is Stepping Out of (Microsoft's) Line, Offers More #GNU #Linux http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/01/08/et-tu-hp/ | Jan 11 04:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: FAT32 is actually a bit faster than NTFS, but NTFS is much more fault tolerant and has some security features that FAT32 doesn't have | Jan 11 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | it can also use smaller clusters than FAT32 can on most any volume >12 GB or so | Jan 11 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | smaller cluster size = more usable disk space | Jan 11 04:01 |
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| DaemonFC | every file on a FAT32 volume is wasting between 1-15 kilobytes of space depending on how big the file is and what the cluster size on the volume is | Jan 11 04:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Clonezilla #GNU #Linux Gives #Windows the Boot http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/01/09/clonezilla-stomps-that-other-os/ | Jan 11 04:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | if you have 4096 music files on a 20 GB MP3 player, you're wasting about 30-60 MB probably, it's maybe enough wasted space for one album to fit in | Jan 11 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | and no, I didn't account for formatting space | Jan 11 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | switching it to 4k clusters, which is what NTFS uses at that point would only waste 5-10 MB | Jan 11 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | where you really save is on massive volumes | Jan 11 04:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.04 Has New Indicator Menu; #Privacy Remix (9.04r3) http://ur1.ca/jj7k http://ur1.ca/jj7l | Jan 11 04:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | what really hurts is when NTFS gets up around a TB or so and suddenly uses 32K clusters | Jan 11 04:07 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: What do you expect from FAT32, it's essentially just a couple tweaks ahead of what they were using for floppy disks in 1980 | Jan 11 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's a holdover from when dinosaurs roamed the Earth | Jan 11 04:20 |
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| cubezzz | yeah that's why I don't use it :) | Jan 11 04:31 |
| cubezzz | a lot of depictions of the future have flying cars | Jan 11 04:33 |
| cubezzz | science fiction was so optimistic | Jan 11 04:33 |
| cubezzz | almost none of that stuff became true | Jan 11 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, what we got stuck with was flash memory using 30 year old Microsoft file systems meant for floppy disks | Jan 11 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | what a crock, huh? | Jan 11 04:34 |
| cubezzz | haha | Jan 11 04:34 |
| cubezzz | that is pretty bad | Jan 11 04:34 |
| *DaemonFC smacks cubezzz with MS-DOS 1.0 and demands $99 | Jan 11 04:35 | |
| cubezzz | well at least I didn't get stuck with FAT | Jan 11 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 11 04:35 |
| cubezzz | I can't even remember MS DOS 1.0 | Jan 11 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | I've been looking for a plug-in for 64-bit Explorer that can read tags for Vorbis and FLAC | Jan 11 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | I can only find them for the 32-bit shell | Jan 11 04:36 |
| cubezzz | I sure don't recall seeing it for sale, although I am old enough to be from that era | Jan 11 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | Explorer is a tag reader and editor for Windows Media and MP3/AAC | Jan 11 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | that's about it | Jan 11 04:37 |
| cubezzz | that's your problem right there | Jan 11 04:37 |
| cubezzz | you're stuck in Windows Land | Jan 11 04:37 |
| cubezzz | if you have more than one computer at least put Linux on one of them | Jan 11 04:37 |
| cubezzz | or BSD or something | Jan 11 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server 2008 R2 does not have the 32-bit shell or Windows Media Player | Jan 11 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | just the 64-bit versions | Jan 11 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | you can still install the 32-bit ACM codecs and other applications that use Windows Media Player's codecs will see them | Jan 11 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 has both versions of Explorer and Media Player | Jan 11 04:39 |
| cubezzz | MS DOS 1.0 in 1982 on IBM PC | Jan 11 04:39 |
| cubezzz | so in 1982 I was using Commodore PET | Jan 11 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | I started out on MS-DOS 5 I think | Jan 11 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | I swiped the defrag and scandisk tools off a system I saw running MS-DOS 6 | Jan 11 04:41 |
| cubezzz | see, there's a major difference there | Jan 11 04:42 |
| cubezzz | I was exposed to a ton of different OSes | Jan 11 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | there wasn't really any major difference between DOS 5 and 6 | Jan 11 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | just utilities | Jan 11 04:42 |
| cubezzz | from a ton of different companies | Jan 11 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | DoubleSpace/Drivespace to compress and eventualyl ruin your volume and lose all your data | Jan 11 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Scandisk to maybe fix a file system error | Jan 11 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Defrag for obvious reasons | Jan 11 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft stole DoubleSpace from Stacker | Jan 11 04:44 |
| cubezzz | everybody had there own 'DOS' | Jan 11 04:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah I remember | Jan 11 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | Stac Inc. gave Microsoft some source code as part of a possible deal to bundle Stacker | Jan 11 04:44 |
| cubezzz | another company Microsoft screwed | Jan 11 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | drive compression was a bad idea anyway | Jan 11 04:44 |
| cubezzz | I use file compression sometimes | Jan 11 04:45 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_DOS | Jan 11 04:45 |
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| cubezzz | "Unlike most other DOS systems before or since—which are booted from disk into the main computer's own RAM at startup, and executed there—CBM DOS was executed internally in the drive" | Jan 11 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it created a drive H:\ which was what your system now booted off of, which was your compressed volume, it loaded a driver in config.sys which stole most of your lower 640k of RAM causing a lot of programs to fail from then on | Jan 11 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | but it left C:\ visible to users who didn't know what "the massive file" on it was and deleted it | Jan 11 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 11 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | then errors on the drive or file system could wreck your compressed volume and take all your data out | Jan 11 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | so basically it would eat your data sooner or later, it confused idiots into doing it themselves sometimes, and it ate up your lower memory and kept some other programs from working at all | Jan 11 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | not a great deal in exchange for maybe 50% more disk space | Jan 11 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | you were basically increasing the chances that something would go wrong by 100, cubezzz | Jan 11 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | and when it did, you could almost never get any of the data recovered | Jan 11 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You ever had a damaged ZIP file that you couldn't repair or get anything out of? | Jan 11 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | Kind of like that, only everything you had on the hard drive | Jan 11 04:51 |
| cubezzz | I never used stacker | Jan 11 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | the compression wasn't that great | Jan 11 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | if you had a lot of files that were already pretty compressed, it wouldn't gain you much space to compress the drive | Jan 11 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | it also made the drive a lot slower | Jan 11 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | and disk accesses used much more CPU time | Jan 11 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | you were basically downgrading the rest of your computer and making 100 times more error prone to get 30-50% more space on the hard disk | Jan 11 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | a 386 wasn't exactly able to plow right through anything | Jan 11 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | so 5-10% extra load on it was a lot | Jan 11 04:56 |
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| DaemonFC | actually, I still have my 386 laptop, cubezzz | Jan 11 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | still works too | Jan 11 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a pack rat, I can never throw anything away, even when it's broken | Jan 11 04:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Man! #Boxee is awesome!! Too bad the internet connection sucks, though.. >< | Jan 11 05:05 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Obama is a Goa'uld http://ur1.ca/jjbc #politics | Jan 11 05:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000803.html | Jan 11 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 11 05:15 |
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| DaemonFC | These FLAC files are weird | Jan 11 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | they play alright, but Winamp chokes when I try to convert them | Jan 11 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | it also says each file is 202 minutes long | Jan 11 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jan 11 05:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OMG I don't usually get spooked by horror / creepy movies but kudos to the Paranormal Activity peeps #film | Jan 11 05:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "All grown-ups were children once, except that very few of them actually remember that." ~ Antoine De Saint Exupery | Jan 11 07:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | the GNU Linux spammers are everywhere | Jan 11 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | clogging up the answer field to a question that was totally unrelated to the renaming of Linux | Jan 11 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | grrrr | Jan 11 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | is there a spray for them? Like a lethal spray? | Jan 11 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | I just sent the guy like an inbox full of the "I'd just like to interject for a minute..." spam | Jan 11 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | blah blah you shouldn't be calling it *zzzzzzz* Linux, you see something something, GNU, GNU, GNU Linux *punches this asshole in the face* That'll teach him to hijack conversations. Ha Ha! | Jan 11 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | GNU hijackers armed with Emacs stormed Yahoo Answers demanding people discussing how to get their VCRs to stop flashing 12:00 - 12:00 - 12:00 start calling Linux "GNU Linux", story at 11 | Jan 11 08:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "the French military, which decided the open source product was more secure than Microsoft`s rival Outlook." http://bit.ly/4KzFsY | Jan 11 08:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering why I have over 2000 zombie irssi processes on my server :S | Jan 11 10:18 | |
| DaemonFC | maybe someone is running a botnet from his system | Jan 11 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 11 10:20 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: Feedback for Going Linux Podcast (about updates/upgrades/installs of Ubuntu) http://bit.ly/8Rqpfj | Jan 11 10:24 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase for Lucid (get creating!) http://bit.ly/655Bny | Jan 11 10:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks to @alexjs it looks like the zombies are a problem with twirssi http://bit.ly/is0iV | Jan 11 10:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100111023135AAmkStK | Jan 11 10:35 |
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| DaemonFC | first answer is mine :) | Jan 11 10:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Yesterday's article removed from OSGEEX, writing a more constructive GNU/Linux and audio production article ATM. | Jan 11 10:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Seriously regret yesterday's article :-( | Jan 11 10:41 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst it was OK, actually | Jan 11 10:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Damn, I removed it already, writing something more constructive. Flatfish nymshifted and started another "reasonable" treat. | Jan 11 10:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Insulting Goblin (who has noting to do with it). Goblin and HPT responded. In COLA. | Jan 11 10:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz I am writing a more detailed article now. I guess a WIN/WIN article for GNU/Linux ;-) | Jan 11 10:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quote of the Day: “ #Microsoft is Eaten up with Middle-to-upper Management Cliques” http://ur1.ca/jkdu | Jan 11 11:52 | |
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| amarsh04 | Linux Australia donations to Tasmanian Devil and Penguin charities in .au http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/linux-aus/2010-January/017884.html | Jan 11 12:13 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Anti-Counterfeiting Chief Quits, Sales in the Gulf Dive 50% http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/alex-kochis-jumps-ship/ | Jan 11 12:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsofts Anti-Counterfeiting Chief Quits, Sales in the Gulf Dive 50% | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.7 KB | Jan 11 12:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Lover That Wasn't: #Microsoft Upsets Its Own VARs http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/microsoft-screwing-partners-friends/ | Jan 11 12:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Lover That Wasnt: Microsoft Upsets Its Own VARs | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.06 KB | Jan 11 12:53 |
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| oiaohm | Thinking you have to pay for the privilage of being a gold partner. schestowitz | Jan 11 13:02 |
| oiaohm | https://members.microsoft.com/partner/public/feecalculator2.aspx << schestowitz | Jan 11 13:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Partner Fees .::. Size~: 19.28 KB | Jan 11 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 11 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Another 'product' | Jan 11 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Yep exactly. | Jan 11 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Now I know why it's called "Gold" | Jan 11 13:19 |
| schestowitz | They pay for the privilege to be a vassal to Microsoft | Jan 11 13:19 |
| oiaohm | https://partner.microsoft.com/Australia/program/programoverview/goldcertpartner More to it than that. | Jan 11 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Not only do you have to pay to be gold but you have to do MS training as well. | Jan 11 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Even worse only one browser works todo the training online. IE of course. | Jan 11 13:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ‘ #Microsoft Press’ Spreads Delusions About Microsoft’s Position in the Market http://bit.ly/8Hepmk | Jan 11 13:31 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Press Spreads Delusions About Microsofts Position in the Market | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.12 KB | Jan 11 13:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: same in Best Buy anti-Linux training(IE) | Jan 11 13:32 |
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| oiaohm | anti-Linux training could have got Best Buy MS partner points. | Jan 11 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 11 14:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Attempts to Freeze #Mobile Market to Harm #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/microsoft-vapour-vs-nexus-one/ | Jan 11 14:21 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Attempts to Freeze Mobile Market to Harm Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.86 KB | Jan 11 14:21 |
| MinceR | oh wow | Jan 11 14:22 |
| MinceR | i'm sure winmob 7 will suddenly not suck unlike every single version of winmob and wince so far | Jan 11 14:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 11 14:23 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: how is the bot doing? | Jan 11 14:28 |
| schestowitz | It's wonderful | Jan 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | YouTube URLs show up, which helps a lot | Jan 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | ok | Jan 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they keep quiet about what's in it | Jan 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing in there | Jan 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they'll pull a Yahoo! on RIM | Jan 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Drain the talent, put cronies in, get in cheap or something | Jan 11 14:43 |
| schestowitz | The Canadians DO NOT want Microsoft in their CrackBERRIES | Jan 11 14:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People Are Getting Rid of #Xbox360 as Sales Drop to 7th Position in Japan http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/xbox-franchise-kaput/ | Jan 11 14:54 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: People Are Getting Rid of Xbox 360 as Sales Drop to 7th Position in Japan | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.57 KB | Jan 11 14:54 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ROFL.. please RT this to piss off your friends who are twilight fans. http://bit.ly/61g6JM (via @sup3kiddo) | Jan 11 15:13 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Agreed! use codeblocks! RD: TC must die http://groups.google.com/group/iitdlug/browse_thread/thread/4c38dd3913f210d7 (via @eduvid) | Jan 11 15:23 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: replacing TC . - Linux User Group @ IIT Delhi | Google Groups .::. Size~: 51.43 KB | Jan 11 15:23 |
| zer0c00l | _goblin_: Got the information about maggi? | Jan 11 15:31 |
| _goblin_ | lol yeah | Jan 11 15:34 |
| _goblin_ | noodles | Jan 11 15:34 |
| _goblin_ | there.... | Jan 11 15:37 |
| _goblin_ | just changed my Blog layout... | Jan 11 15:37 |
| _goblin_ | see how it works out.... | Jan 11 15:37 |
| _goblin_ | any opinions? | Jan 11 15:37 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i'm sure there will be a new skin in it, which happens to look like vista7 | Jan 11 15:50 |
| MinceR | and that's all there will be to it | Jan 11 15:50 |
| zer0c00l | _goblin_: Give me the link to your blog | Jan 11 15:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Recruits Partners to Fight Against #Google http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/carol-bartz-and-hp-vs-google/ | Jan 11 15:51 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ROFL: At The Start Of A Married Life, Every Girl Treats Her Husband As GOD. Later On Somehow The Alphabets Get Reversed (via @ManishSinha) | Jan 11 16:08 | |
| _goblin_ | zer0c00l: www.openbytes.wordpress.com | Jan 11 16:21 |
| _goblin_ | not too sure if its a little too sqaushed | Jan 11 16:24 |
| _goblin_ | not sure if I prefered the old style | Jan 11 16:24 |
| zer0c00l | _goblin_: let me check | Jan 11 16:24 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: new theme is better, definitely | Jan 11 16:25 |
| _goblin_ | ok... | Jan 11 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Your older one reminded me of Wilcox *shudder* | Jan 11 16:25 |
| zer0c00l | _goblin_: Good | Jan 11 16:26 |
| _goblin_ | lol | Jan 11 16:26 |
| schestowitz | or Zimmerman from Canonical | Jan 11 16:26 |
| zer0c00l | _goblin_: New theme is good :D | Jan 11 16:26 |
| zer0c00l | _goblin_: resembles my wordpress blog | Jan 11 16:26 |
| _goblin_ | I'll leave it as it is then. | Jan 11 16:27 |
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| _goblin_ | now to do some tidying up | Jan 11 16:27 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Demoted in IT Leaders League, Ranked Second-Worst Polluter/Environmental Hazard http://ur1.ca/jlco | Jan 11 16:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] El Dorado has been found: http://ur1.ca/jldd http://ur1.ca/jlda | Jan 11 16:43 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Startup Tests Drugs Aimed at #Autism http://ur1.ca/jldj #science | Jan 11 16:48 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] வரும் ஆனா வராது :P | Jan 11 16:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #OOXML Gets Fragmented Based on Geography http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/ooxml-depending-on-country/ | Jan 11 17:00 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft OOXML Gets Fragmented Based on Geography | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.59 KB | Jan 11 17:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: #oggcamp10 Announced! http://bit.ly/5lrccr . Come to Liverpool and join in! #fb | Jan 11 17:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @schestowitz: #Microsoft #OOXML Gets Fragmented Based on Geography http://tinyurl.com/yc3cyre/ ...ook in NL? | Jan 11 17:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Google Docs and Skype at last promoted on Dutch TV (Editie NL) In stead of Microsoft. | Jan 11 17:31 | |
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| pawel_121 | hi | Jan 11 17:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Bing 'is taking on Google' - More MS promos on the BBC http://tinyurl.com/ybhhhof | Jan 11 17:43 | |
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| schestowitz | pawel_121: what's up? | Jan 11 17:46 |
| pawel_121 | I wondered what do you think about OpenSuse? | Jan 11 17:47 |
| pawel_121 | while they were making decision to choose KDE as default they met with some mono and gnome fanboys lobby | Jan 11 17:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb what else did you expect from Click after their botnet fiasco in 2009? | Jan 11 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | pawel_121: they did?? | Jan 11 17:48 |
| pawel_121 | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2009-08/msg00185.html | Jan 11 17:48 |
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| pawel_121 | yep | Jan 11 17:48 |
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| pawel_121 | one troll writes: | Jan 11 17:49 |
| pawel_121 | The main reason I use GNOME is because of Banshee, F-Spot, Tomboy, Beagle, and other apps that are IMHO better than what you get on any other OS, including Win7 or OS X. | Jan 11 17:49 |
| schestowitz | kevin dupuy is a mono booster? I think not. | Jan 11 17:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @c4fcm: Mashing Up Google Sky and Ushahidi http://bit.ly/8OrF8E | Jan 11 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | "The main reason I use GNOME is because of Banshee, F-Spot, Tomboy, Beagle...." | Jan 11 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | I found that funny | Jan 11 17:49 |
| pawel_121 | it seems he is :) | Jan 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | It's like only Mono is good to him (4 out of 4) | Jan 11 17:50 |
| pawel_121 | however, this guy is a child isn't he? | Jan 11 17:50 |
| pawel_121 | http://kevinsword.com/about-kevin-yeaux/ | Jan 11 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | I read his blog and never noticed it | Jan 11 17:50 |
| schestowitz | pawel_121: he makes even me feel old :-) | Jan 11 17:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @pranesh_prakash: ♺ Suggestions as to Indian writers/publishers/musicians/filmmakers, etc., who'd want to oppose DRMs? Pls RT | Jan 11 17:51 | |
| pawel_121 | fifteen year old guy is a political activist? :> | Jan 11 17:52 |
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| pawel_121 | and a mono fanboy? this looks funny :) | Jan 11 17:52 |
| pawel_121 | ok, he's little older now ;) | Jan 11 17:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Laptops for low-income households - Becta scheme huh? Any takers on a bet that each laptop will have Windows on? http://tinyurl.com/yetqt5u | Jan 11 17:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Cracks Down Hard, Viral Advertisers Multiply http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/agents-accomplishing-goals-for-microsoft/ | Jan 11 18:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb the question is, _which version_? | Jan 11 18:04 | |
| trmanco | heh | Jan 11 18:07 |
| schestowitz | http://en.flossmanuals.net/gnulinux | Jan 11 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Anyone heard of this? http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/01/280-slides-sleek-and-free-online.html | Jan 11 18:13 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: ok,,thats VERy weird | Jan 11 18:14 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: gahbuntu ?ROFL | Jan 11 18:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is new to me: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/sylvester-response.html "A Response Letter to the Word Attachments" | Jan 11 18:15 | |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: RTFM? :-) | Jan 11 18:16 |
| neighborlee | are you in a bad mood today or something ? | Jan 11 18:16 |
| neighborlee | :) | Jan 11 18:16 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: It's not like you to use such language roy | Jan 11 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Google and IDG are very hostile t/w Google's Linux phone: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8451473.stm | Jan 11 18:20 |
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| schestowitz | Given who runs these 'shows', no wonder.. | Jan 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: "f" stands for fine | Jan 11 18:21 |
| neighborlee | whatever you say roy | Jan 11 18:21 |
| neighborlee | what exactly was the reason you decided to say, rtfm roy ? | Jan 11 18:21 |
| schestowitz | You said, ROFL | Jan 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | So I joked about it | Jan 11 18:22 |
| neighborlee | I dont see how the two are related ;) | Jan 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, what's new? | Jan 11 18:22 |
| neighborlee | rtfm is typically a detrimental coment..rofl is not | Jan 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Jan 11 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8448593.stm | Jan 11 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1585523/firefox-release-candidate | Jan 11 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1585367/microsoft-flatters-deceive thoughts? | Jan 11 18:26 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: only reason I said rofl, was it was a 'odd' name to use ubuntu for repositories that they already have | Jan 11 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: which? Ghabuntu? | Jan 11 18:26 |
| schestowitz | It's a good blog from Ghana | Jan 11 18:27 |
| neighborlee | yes | Jan 11 18:27 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/murdoch-soninlaw-ashamed-sickened-fox-news-ceo/ | Jan 11 18:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Murdoch son-in-law ashamed and sickened by Fox News CEO | Raw Story .::. Size~: 35.45 KB | Jan 11 18:27 |
| neighborlee | I dont like ubuntu anyway. | Jan 11 18:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/31054.html | Jan 11 18:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Dick Cheney: Barack Obama 'trying to pretend' - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 81.32 KB | Jan 11 18:29 |
| neighborlee | the ship mono, they should not | Jan 11 18:29 |
| neighborlee | so its all MOOT to me | Jan 11 18:29 |
| neighborlee | ;) | Jan 11 18:29 |
| schestowitz | When will Cheney be locked up for manslaughter? | Jan 11 18:29 |
| trmanco | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ajaxian/~3/_E2EQEnJ1jo/jison-build-parsers-in-javascript | Jan 11 18:30 |
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| trmanco | lol | Jan 11 18:30 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 11 18:30 |
| trmanco | http://ajaxian.com/archives/jison-build-parsers-in-javascript | Jan 11 18:30 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: never | Jan 11 18:31 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: we dont lock up ex presidents LOL | Jan 11 18:31 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: the aren't even prosecuted,,so answer is prob. not likely :) | Jan 11 18:31 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: they | Jan 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Not even Nixon | Jan 11 18:35 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He resigned before they could jail him with the rest | Jan 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | It's not just politicians | Jan 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Rich businessmen too | Jan 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Jobs, Gates, Ballmer | Jan 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | They go easy on Madoff too | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It's a farce | Jan 11 18:36 |
| neighborlee | yes | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | A national shame, IMHO | Jan 11 18:36 |
| neighborlee | yup | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | You can find hungry shoplifters in jail | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Because they can't afford lawyers and bribes like people in suits | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Whose system is it? | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | (rhetorical) | Jan 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | The laws are written to marginalise rather than to defend the majority from the minority | Jan 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Illegalised stuff is sometimes associated with class rather than defensible ''scientific'' reasons | Jan 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/01/the-right-of-publicity-takes-a-hit.html | Jan 11 18:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is some very baffling picture. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1106_signs.jpg [IMG] | Jan 11 18:39 | |
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| neighborlee | yup I know | Jan 11 18:40 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: changes like your after, only happen after a revolution | Jan 11 18:40 |
| neighborlee | typically ;) | Jan 11 18:40 |
| neighborlee | trust me I know | Jan 11 18:40 |
| neighborlee | I can't even get help ( im working on it) on family issues, for which my STEP mother is holding things up cause well..she hates our entire family | Jan 11 18:41 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: so if I can't get help for something that basic,,imagine help on anything else. | Jan 11 18:41 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: and ive been calling iowa senators for help onthis..still no call backs | Jan 11 18:41 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: ive also been in contact with wa state senators, and no call backs onthose either..although now im going to call THEM come to think of it and put the heat on a bit | Jan 11 18:42 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: they wont like this call, trust me. | Jan 11 18:42 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: yes, I remember that issue | Jan 11 18:42 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: soemtimes a gentle but firm push back is all these people know | Jan 11 18:42 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: yup | Jan 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Tell them your name is Lee Rockefeller | Jan 11 18:43 |
| neighborlee | now THAT deserves a firm ROFL ;)) | Jan 11 18:43 |
| neighborlee | heh | Jan 11 18:43 |
| neighborlee | ahem, gentle, but FIRM :)) | Jan 11 18:44 |
| neighborlee | yeah the rockefeller that caved on health care reform | Jan 11 18:44 |
| neighborlee | they all did | Jan 11 18:44 |
| neighborlee | so far<< | Jan 11 18:44 |
| neighborlee | we'll see what happens when they merge the two bills | Jan 11 18:44 |
| neighborlee | Id ont hold out hope for a public OPTION though.. | Jan 11 18:44 |
| neighborlee | and obama campaigned ON it trust me | Jan 11 18:45 |
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| neighborlee | its archived. | Jan 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/01/readers-picks-sci-fi-tv-reboots/ | Jan 11 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: the joke I was making though is that if you pretend to be important, they'll prioritise | Jan 11 18:49 |
| schestowitz | They respond when the risk of not responding is to grear | Jan 11 18:49 |
| neighborlee | hope I knmow | Jan 11 18:49 |
| neighborlee | know ^ | Jan 11 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Like, "how will helping this citizen help me be promoted or not fired?" | Jan 11 18:49 |
| neighborlee | no way I can pretend..im a ordinary JOe blow | Jan 11 18:49 |
| schestowitz | So the gentler ones or old people get a cold shoulde | Jan 11 18:49 |
| neighborlee | har har | Jan 11 18:49 |
| neighborlee | well I could actually <hmmm giving me an idea> | Jan 11 18:50 |
| neighborlee | I could threaten to expose their unwillingness to help me and the lies i've been told as a incentive to get off their butts and assist me ;),,but hmm I don't know, that seems extreme <haha> | Jan 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/10/slovak-aviation-cops.html | Jan 11 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | Shameful | Jan 11 18:51 |
| neighborlee | lol | Jan 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Security thatre | Jan 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | *eatre | Jan 11 18:52 |
| neighborlee | a nasty mess | Jan 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: so ask to speak to their boss | Jan 11 18:52 |
| neighborlee | been there,,done that. | Jan 11 18:52 |
| neighborlee | didn't help | Jan 11 18:52 |
| neighborlee | not one bit | Jan 11 18:52 |
| neighborlee | these people dont care unless there is some bit incentive involved it would seem | Jan 11 18:53 |
| neighborlee | as you noted.. | Jan 11 18:53 |
| neighborlee | 'the right thing to do' isn't enough these days | Jan 11 18:53 |
| neighborlee | meh | Jan 11 18:53 |
| neighborlee | Im' far from done though dont worry about that | Jan 11 18:54 |
| neighborlee | I"ve got alot of things I can do,like bug them mercilessly LOL | Jan 11 18:54 |
| neighborlee | and trust me, I WILL | Jan 11 18:54 |
| neighborlee | partly because other people have experienced problems of this sort | Jan 11 18:55 |
| neighborlee | so im fighting for not just myself.but others..I actually have incentive ;) | Jan 11 18:55 |
| schestowitz | What is THIS? http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/01/10/Yakisoba-Yakiudon | Jan 11 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | Wierd colour for choose for food | Jan 11 18:56 |
| schestowitz | *Weird | Jan 11 18:56 |
| neighborlee | http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/gruber?source=email01112010 <speaking of all things obama | Jan 11 18:56 |
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| neighborlee | this one is weird too | Jan 11 18:57 |
| neighborlee | surprising,,but not too surprising ;) | Jan 11 18:57 |
| neighborlee | FDL is a very good source btw | Jan 11 18:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/acer_recall/ | Jan 11 18:57 |
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| neighborlee | http://firedoglake.com/ < OH LOVELY ;) | Jan 11 18:58 |
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| neighborlee | gotta love those white supremacists groups..makes us all SO proud ;) | Jan 11 18:58 |
| *neighborlee looks for vomit bag | Jan 11 18:58 | |
| schestowitz | This is too crass, I came across it yesterday while sniffing around Monsanto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWAzH9P728&NR=1 | Jan 11 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/liverpool_email/ | Jan 11 19:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/11/betonsports-ceo-sentenced-to-prison | Jan 11 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC, this guy was among the frequent Microsoft boosters: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/blogs/bizfeed/186577/nexus_one_complaints_mount_honeymoon_is_over.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 11 19:18 |
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| schestowitz | This is a rather unusual event (few times per annum: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/331881/oracle_critical_patch_update_includes_24_fixes?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 11 19:22 |
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| rnb | why hello | Jan 11 19:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: And I can't wait for that one day you're all going to die. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/26255.html http://is.gd/65cY6 | Jan 11 19:43 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/11/pocket-sized-lcd-pro.html | Jan 11 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, ryan | Jan 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/10/system-lord-obama.html | Jan 11 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | "Science fiction takes the reader into a strange world without God. Oh, there might be “a god,” a “force,” but it is definitely not the God of the Bible, and the prominent names in this field are atheists. " | Jan 11 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Take CARL SAGAN, for example. His best-selling sci-fi novel Contact was made into a movie. Sagan was one of the high priests of atheistic evolution. In his novel he has the main character debating two preachers and saying, “There is no compelling evidence that God exists.” In 1997 Sagan said, “I share the view of a hero of mine, Albert Einstein: ‘I cannot conceive of a god who rewards and punishes his creatures or has a | Jan 11 19:59 |
| schestowitz | will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I--nor would I want to--conceive of an individual that survives his physical death. Let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egotism, cherish such thoughts’” (Parade, March 10, 1997). " | Jan 11 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Consider another prominent name in Sci-Fi, ISAAC ASIMOV. (shown above) In a 1982 interview he said, “Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don’t have the evidence to prove that God doesn’t exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn’t that I don’t want to waste my time” (Paul Kurtz, “An Interview with Isaac Asimov on Science and the Bible,” Free Inquiry, Spring 1982, p. 9). " | Jan 11 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://wayoflife.org/files/2fd19aa02a25c87c4946a653a20f1344-486.html | Jan 11 19:59 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Horizons/2010/0108/MagicJack-meets-cell-tower-as-femtojack | Jan 11 20:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MagicJack meets cell tower as 'femtojack' / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com .::. Size~: 48.72 KB | Jan 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | I want one of those | Jan 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | turn my PC into a miniature personal cell phone tower | Jan 11 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | sounds badass | Jan 11 20:02 |
| schestowitz | VOIP appliance | Jan 11 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Plug-and-playable | Jan 11 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jan 11 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | says it has a 3,000 square foot range and your phone will use it instead of the nearest tower if you're in range | Jan 11 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like it could save me some minutes | Jan 11 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft must be getting very nervous over Google now. http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2010/01/09/4566625.htm | Jan 11 20:08 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I know you can rig the original "Magic Jack" on Linux to work with Skype and a regular phone | Jan 11 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | but it won't work with Magic Jack's service | Jan 11 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | Yay, more Fog Computing | Jan 11 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I wonder how this complies with Florida laws on data archival | Jan 11 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't seem to me like it could | Jan 11 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Won't ACTA force the EU to recognize software patents? | Jan 11 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | software patents not being recognized in the EU has to piss software companies off globally, because it means that I can grab a piece of software that's hosted in the EU and violating the hell out of American software patents and use it | Jan 11 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | and those companies can't do anything about it | Jan 11 20:14 |
| MinceR | only big companies | Jan 11 20:15 |
| MinceR | sw patents kill small software developers | Jan 11 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | probably the main reason for ACTA is the EU not recognizing software patents | Jan 11 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | if ACTA gets passed, Ubuntu will be in trouble | Jan 11 20:15 |
| MinceR | the main reason for the ACTA is that Jesusland is controlled by a bunch of fucking control-freaks who believe the whole planet belongs to them | Jan 11 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yeah, I noticed a lot of patent infringing software is usually developed in Europe just to dodge laws in the rest of the world | Jan 11 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | they can sell it to Americans, and not need to have any presence here | Jan 11 20:16 |
| MinceR | i see your typical usian perspective has improved | Jan 11 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is that if they cheat you, American anti-fraud laws won't protect you | Jan 11 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | so you have to use PayPal or something | Jan 11 20:17 |
| MinceR | from "USA == The World" to "USA == The Rest Of The World" | Jan 11 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Roughly Drafted is attacking Linux (Android) these days for Beloved Apple | Jan 11 20:18 |
| MinceR | if you'd take a year's course in geography, maybe you'd get a clue | Jan 11 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Roughly Drafted hardly has articles anymore... those that Dan published are crap | Jan 11 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:11] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I wonder how this complies with Florida laws on data archival | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They do it in LA already | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Precedence | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:13] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Won't ACTA force the EU to recognize software patents? | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Not directly | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <DaemonFC> software patents not being recognized in the EU has to piss software companies off globally, because it means that I can grab a piece of software that's hosted in the EU and violating the hell out of American software patents and use it | Jan 11 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Doesn't matter | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat can relocate to Europe | Jan 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Many s/w companies may establish themselves in India | Jan 11 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | Florida has different laws than California | Jan 11 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | and different enforcement procedures | Jan 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, the USPTO /really/ increase US innovation and 'advantage' | Jan 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Now they try to break the legs of ALL other athletes cause US s/w business is mames | Jan 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | *mamed | Jan 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | *maimed | Jan 11 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | USPTO is driving most of the incentive to relocate overseas | Jan 11 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | the IRS does the rest | Jan 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <DaemonFC> probably the main reason for ACTA is the EU not recognizing software patents | Jan 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | No, it's an attack on China et al | Jan 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Basically, it's the use of paper to say, "we are the WEST! Hear us ROAR!" | Jan 11 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The problem with increasing or enforcing taxes on businesses, is the higher the taxes get, the more of them just leave | Jan 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the US is big in the English-speaking world, as in here | Jan 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | But to the world it's less than 5% of the population and it exports quite little except 'IP' and arms | Jan 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Same with the UK | Jan 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | That's why we're in such a colossal debt | Jan 11 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I was going to ask you what exactly the UK does | Jan 11 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:17] <MinceR> from "USA == The World" to "USA == The Rest Of The World" | Jan 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Some say Palin said Africa was a nation | Jan 11 20:23 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 11 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure a lot of people have that same perspective MinceR | Jan 11 20:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: sure, a lot of people live in Jesusland | Jan 11 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | when you're in a place where you can roll over and be in another country, it changes I guess | Jan 11 20:23 |
| MinceR | they don't even know where the countries they advocate bombing are located | Jan 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <DaemonFC> the IRS does the rest | Jan 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | But just for accounting purposes | Jan 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Alter ego for taxting | Jan 11 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would say that the progressive income tax has failed | Jan 11 20:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: but before you start the dickwaving about who has more population, take a look at Asia | Jan 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: The problem with increasing or enforcing taxes on businesses, is the higher the taxes get, the more of them just leave | Jan 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Banks too | Jan 11 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | FairTax should have replaced it | Jan 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | In London ATM | Jan 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | The bigger the business, the easier it becomes to dodge taxt | Jan 11 20:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: for example, there are those tiny little countries called "India" and "China" | Jan 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Small businesses cannot set up an office in some island somewhere | Jan 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is a well-lubed machine for cheating and draining the nations' resources | Jan 11 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yeah, China is like a 9:1 compression ratio | Jan 11 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <MinceR> they don't even know where the countries they advocate bombing are located | Jan 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It's not countries | Jan 11 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's doing better than any type of file archival software I've ever seen | Jan 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | The US tried to describe Iraq/Saddam as bombing advocates | Jan 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It's utterly and provable false | Jan 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | *provably | Jan 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | *demonstrably even | Jan 11 20:26 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: usians don't want to bomb countries? | Jan 11 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't | Jan 11 20:26 |
| MinceR | now that's strange | Jan 11 20:27 |
| MinceR | i remember some pretty xenophobic ideas from you all the time, DaemonFC | Jan 11 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | most of it was sarcasm | Jan 11 20:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | phew | Jan 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not with themselves | Jan 11 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | the rest didn't involve bombing anything | Jan 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | They have rockets and stuff | Jan 11 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | waste of money | Jan 11 20:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and tends to radicalise those around the landing site :) | Jan 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Other people (laymen) just learned how to make manual pipe bombs | Jan 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Not the Taliban | Jan 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | The US gave them Stingers | Jan 11 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, oops | Jan 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Not they use them against USS Cole, not some 'red' Soviets (big oops) | Jan 11 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | a Stinger is an anti-aircraft missile | Jan 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It works as anti-<many-things> | Jan 11 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be very shocked if they wasted one of the handful of stingers they have on a ship | Jan 11 20:29 |
| schestowitz | The Taliban used them against Russian tanks too... or maybe just normal RPG/bazooka | Jan 11 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Either way, the US knew they were insanely unstable and gave them ammo | Jan 11 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Iran and Iraq too | Jan 11 20:30 |
| schestowitz | MAD | Jan 11 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | the Iranian's had some F-14s we sold them before the government collapsed | Jan 11 20:30 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: none of it sounded like sarcasm at the time | Jan 11 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | they used all the ammunition in the Iran-Iraq War | Jan 11 20:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they used one of them trying to shoot planed in Kenya | Jan 11 20:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: well, fashions change... | Jan 11 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | and most of the planes don't even fly anymore | Jan 11 20:30 |
| schestowitz | *shoot down planes | Jan 11 20:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: wow. Iran makes F14? | Jan 11 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Or were these USian planed manned by Iranian people who grew up with flightsim? | Jan 11 20:31 |
| schestowitz | *planes | Jan 11 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | Iran is out of ammunition for them, they're cannibalizing the few that still fly for parts for the rest | Jan 11 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Probably paid for by US taxpayers too | Jan 11 20:32 |
| schestowitz | But the public won't know it, these budgets are not so public | Jan 11 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | the radar system is still better than anything they hve | Jan 11 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | they use them as AWACS | Jan 11 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | they're fairly incapable of actually producing any credible military hardware | Jan 11 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | they have to buy all of it from other countries | Jan 11 20:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | usually Russia | Jan 11 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | I think they managed to make their own APC, woohoo | Jan 11 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Even Russia won't sell them their newer tech | Jan 11 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | they get Russian hand-me-downs | Jan 11 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | still deadly in wars with their neighbors | Jan 11 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | we could decimate their military without any boots on the ground in a few days | Jan 11 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Iran is not am military power, they mainly just use it to keep their civilians "in line" | Jan 11 20:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, it would "get noticed" if they actually attacked anyone. they're not stupid. | Jan 11 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | they tried to fight Iraq and had a stalemate and a lot of dead and wounded, destroyed military equipment | Jan 11 20:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: like Sovs in Afghanistan eh | Jan 11 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | they're not up to a fight with a modern military, it's why they want nukes | Jan 11 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | they want a nuke to be within range of Israel, probably | Jan 11 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | they may just fire it off as soon as they have it | Jan 11 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's one theory. | Jan 11 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | their government is full of religious magalomaniacs | Jan 11 20:37 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Israel is sure to destroy them before that can happen | Jan 11 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier++ | Jan 11 20:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Israel is the country there able and willing and constantly threatening others. | Jan 11 20:37 |
| MinceR | 213354 < DaemonFC> we could decimate their military without any boots on the ground in a few days | Jan 11 20:37 |
| MinceR | like in Afghanistan? | Jan 11 20:37 |
| tessier | I try to be open minded about the whole Jew/Muslim Israel/Iran thing but Iran and the radicals keep undermining themselves with nutty actions. | Jan 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | and in Vietnam? | Jan 11 20:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: Mission Accomplished | Jan 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | war isn't all about tech, sadly | Jan 11 20:38 |
| tessier | MinceR: Yes and yes. | Jan 11 20:38 |
| tessier | MinceR: That is exactly what was accomplished in both cases. | Jan 11 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | no, Obama will tell Israel to stay back right up to the point they're blown up | Jan 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | even previous generation weapons kill | Jan 11 20:38 |
| tessier | MinceR: But it turns out there is more to winning than that. | Jan 11 20:38 |
| MinceR | and people wielding them do shoot back | Jan 11 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | the Iranians are hauling ass right now because they know Obama is ineffectual | Jan 11 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | Israel is a dog, they do what they're told | Jan 11 20:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | i... see. | Jan 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | not always, iirc | Jan 11 20:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: check up AIPAC | Jan 11 20:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and see which tail is wagging which dog | Jan 11 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Iran is a loose cannon | Jan 11 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | not a good situation | Jan 11 20:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, they have nukes and threaten people all the time. Oh, wait, I get Israel and Iran mixed up... | Jan 11 20:39 |
| MinceR | you got them mixed up with USA? :> | Jan 11 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason Iran hasn't started something is because they don't have much of a conventional military | Jan 11 20:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right | Jan 11 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | one nuke changes all that | Jan 11 20:39 |
| schestowitz | [20:34] <DaemonFC> FurnaceBoy: Even Russia won't sell them their newer tech | Jan 11 20:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so you're advocating dropping nuclear weapons in the middle east? | Jan 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Russia is worried about Iran | Jan 11 20:40 |
| tessier | FurnaceBoy: Israel has nukes but never threatens (doesn't even admit they have them). Iran doesn't have nukes but threatens to destroy Israel all the time. Weird. | Jan 11 20:40 |
| schestowitz | China too complained recently about their nuclear programmes | Jan 11 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: No, I'm saying I don't know if Iran will hesitate once they have one | Jan 11 20:40 |
| tessier | Iran needs to be careful that it doesn't run out of friends. | Jan 11 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | given their leadership and religious hatred of Israel | Jan 11 20:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier: Israel constantly threatens. it is true they don't like to admit they have nukes. They just locked up the whistleblower, as it happens. | Jan 11 20:40 |
| tessier | FurnaceBoy: Constantly threatens to defend itself. I don't recall them ever saying Iran should be wiped off the map. | Jan 11 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | The few times Israel has taken the initiative, they've stopped as soon as they were told to | Jan 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <tessier> DaemonFC: Israel is sure to destroy them before that can happen | Jan 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It's a strategic outpost for the West | Jan 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | The weapons come from the obvious places | Jan 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Like Germany, UK, US... | Jan 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like a buffer zone | Jan 11 20:41 |
| schestowitz | But the US has Iraq now | Jan 11 20:42 |
| tessier | Did you guys read Thailand yesterday confiscated an airplane full of arms supposedly bound from NK to Iran? | Jan 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Iraq is at the centre of everything, even PK | Jan 11 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: + France | Jan 11 20:42 |
| tessier | PK? | Jan 11 20:42 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: are they shipping weapons anywhere? | Jan 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | They use Ubuntu :-) | Jan 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | And ThunderBird | Jan 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | France and the UK used Israel to take over the tunnel again, regaining control | Jan 11 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: according to this they ship more than UK (which is huge), and twice as much as Germany. http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business | Jan 11 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It's all about controlling channels of oil, travel, diplomacy (China, Russia)... | Jan 11 20:44 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The Arms Trade is Big Business — Global Issues .::. Size~: 95.3 KB | Jan 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I reckon India and PK got their nuclear capability from the US, not the Russians | Jan 11 20:44 |
| schestowitz | China maybe got it from Russia when Chairman Mau was chummy with the red Soviets | Jan 11 20:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Updating firmware on my Devolo 200AV Ethernet over power doofers after a tip off from @tonywhitmore | Jan 11 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Germany sells submarines for about $300,000,000 a piece | Jan 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if they borrow from China to build all that stuff | Jan 11 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Does China make its own subs? | Jan 11 20:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Jan 11 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | pity they don't build stuff as crappily for themselves as they do for everyone else. | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Russia | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: China makes high-quality stuff | Jan 11 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | leaky tinfoil subs would be poetic justice. | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Like iPhone... | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Apple ruins it | Jan 11 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: electronics, sure. but everythiing else is just crap. | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | By cripplipng the gadgets with DRM and stuff | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | And BSD.... | Jan 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: fireworks | Jan 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | ANd they have space missions | Jan 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Satellites | Jan 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Not as bad as you'd think | Jan 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Some gets their PhD's in the west and do the high-tech career in China | Jan 11 20:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there's a great deal of dumping of consumer goods in all categories that ends up on north american shelves, not just wal-mart, it diffuses everywhere. it's hard to find non-chinese stuff, but when you do, it won't break. | Jan 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | There is a new programme in the Chinese govt. for luring the bright people back to build the industry | Jan 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | It was in the NYT the other day | Jan 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: maybe | Jan 11 20:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i'm not talking about iPhones, satellites, and submaries, of course. I mean, kitchen knives, all kinds of stuff that people buy day to day. | Jan 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to tell what's made in China | Jan 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | It's like identfying GM food | Jan 11 20:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes that can be so | Jan 11 20:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but everyone in the chain has a motive to cut corners. | Jan 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | My TEC radio alarm has worked for like 12 years and Philips shaver for the same period, until recently (not in repair) | Jan 11 20:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and believe me, we're constantly suffering from that. | Jan 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | not>now | Jan 11 20:49 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: not just China though | Jan 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | It's a race to the bottom anyway | Jan 11 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right. it's a faulty model. | Jan 11 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes I agree. | Jan 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Money at the expense of quality | Jan 11 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's exactly an accurate description. | Jan 11 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'd happily pay more for goods that last. | Jan 11 20:50 |
| schestowitz | That's what FDA and other agencies like FCC are made for | Jan 11 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a race to the bottom, and boy I hope there isn't much further to go. | Jan 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: but you can't identify them | Jan 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | People at Apple can overcharge for shoddy stuff, which they do (h/w-wise) | Jan 11 20:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's pretty safe to say that very little is actually manufactured on this continent in the categories i'm talking about. | Jan 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | More expensive does not mean better | Jan 11 20:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Do not remove the device from the plug socket or disconnect it from the computer.Doing so may cause damage to the device or even destroy it! | Jan 11 20:51 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, I said pay more *for stuff that lasts* | Jan 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It means it is less likely to be bad, but no guarantee | Jan 11 20:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | not just "pay more" | Jan 11 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Same with footwear | Jan 11 20:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | we're humans. we know how to build stuff that lasts. | Jan 11 20:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | but the model prevents it. | Jan 11 20:52 |
| schestowitz | That's what trademarks are for | Jan 11 20:52 |
| schestowitz | But they get caught up in prception | Jan 11 20:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] I like that warning message when updating the devolo firmware is exactly one tweet long. | Jan 11 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | With all sorts of AstroTurfing campaigns guarding brands | Jan 11 20:52 |
| schestowitz | And smearing critics too... some legal cases around that | Jan 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | !google Trafigura scum | Jan 11 20:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - The Poor Mouth: Trafigura scum win libel case against BBC | http://thepoormouth.blogspot.com/2009/12/trafigura-scum-win-libel-case-against.html | Jan 11 20:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - The Poor Mouth: Trafigura - Corporate Criminals | http://thepoormouth.blogspot.com/2009/09/trafigura-corporate-criminals.html | Jan 11 20:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Trafigura - Blogs, Pictures, and more on Blogged | http://www.blogged.com/topics/trafigura/ | Jan 11 20:53 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Category: #Trafigura | http://www.britishblogs.co.uk/categories/trafigura/ | Jan 11 20:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes I am familiar with this case. | Jan 11 20:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: worst "industrial accident" since Bhopal, apparently | Jan 11 20:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | euh | Jan 11 20:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | except that isn't an accurate description. | Jan 11 20:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | intentional poisoning is closer. | Jan 11 20:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | in both cases | Jan 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: not DuPont? | Jan 11 20:57 |
| schestowitz | !google Du pont india disaster | Jan 11 20:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - The Bhopal disaster and its aftermath: a review | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1142333/ | Jan 11 20:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - March 10, 2009 Charles O. Holliday, Jr., CEO E.I. du Pont De ... | http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/dupont-chem-letter | Jan 11 20:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Ewald André Dupont | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0243295/ | Jan 11 20:57 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - ASEAN COUNTRIES TO BENEFIT FROM INDIA'S TSUNAMI WARNING SYSTEM ... | http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-150519574.html | Jan 11 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait. | Jan 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1142333/ | Jan 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | It's the same one | Jan 11 20:58 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: National Center for Biotechnology Information .::. Size~: 36.95 KB | Jan 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | "It paid $470 million in compensation, a relatively small amount of based on significant underestimations of the long-term health consequences of exposure and the number of people exposed. The disaster indicated a need for enforceable international standards for environmental safety, preventative strategies to avoid similar accidents and industrial disaster preparedness." | Jan 11 20:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Bhopal was the work of Union Carbide | Jan 11 20:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the size of that catastrophe was horrifying | Jan 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | !google Bhopal yes men | Jan 11 21:00 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Dow | The Yes Men | http://theyesmen.org/dow/ | Jan 11 21:00 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - YouTube - Bhopal Disaster - BBC - The Yes Men | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DLiWlvBro9eI | Jan 11 21:00 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - The Yes Men - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yes_Men | Jan 11 21:00 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Yes Men Hoax on BBC Reminds World of Dow Chemical's Refusal to ... | http://democracynow.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D04/12/06/1453248 | Jan 11 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not to mention the negligence that led to it. Guardian did a good wrapup piece on the anniversary recently. (as did the BBC) | Jan 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: if so many people died like this in the US, I think they would start a war.... oh, wait. | Jan 11 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Jan 11 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Dow Chemical bought Union Carbide | Jan 11 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | still refuses to pay reparations | Jan 11 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's worth re-reading the details. as long as nobody takes responsibility or fixes the system that produced that disaster, they're going to keep happening | Jan 11 21:02 |
| trmanco | http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2.2 | Jan 11 21:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Amarok 2.2.2 "Maya Gold" Released | Amarok .::. Size~: 18.9 KB | Jan 11 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Jan 11 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's right, that was the conclusion of both the Guardian and BBC pieces -- they did not even clean up the site. | Jan 11 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The US government won't force them to take responsibility because it didn't happen here. | Jan 11 21:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the factory remains a toxic hellhole, just left to rot there | Jan 11 21:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: water samples are rocketing up in poisons | Jan 11 21:03 |
| _goblin_ | schestowitz: Had that Q&A with Christian Einfeldt - what a lovely chap, Im working on the article now. | Jan 11 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | India's government can't make them do anything about it either | Jan 11 21:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] +1 to devolo for a seamless firmware update process, 5 mins to do 4 devices. -10 points for it being windows-only :( | Jan 11 21:03 | |
| DaemonFC | so it looks like they got away with it | Jan 11 21:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and most westerners either never knew it happened or have forgotten about it. | Jan 11 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | Did Union Carbide have any assets that their government could seize? | Jan 11 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I remember the headlines. but at the time I was too young to know what "8000 people died overnight" and HOW they died really meant. | Jan 11 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and that was just the immediate deaths -- the lucky ones, you might say -- if 40 tonnes of nerve gas is a good way to go. | Jan 11 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes (in the US anyway), victims are compensated by seizing foreign assets that are here | Jan 11 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | Well, didn't India have any inspectors for that sort of thing | Jan 11 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | like, their version of the EPA or something? | Jan 11 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Trafigura dumped 400 tonnes of toxic waste into people's farms and backyards. Imagine waking up and making your morning coffee with that, unaware. | Jan 11 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: unlikely | Jan 11 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there's a hell of a lot of payola going on to overlook things | Jan 11 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The EPA requires that a water test be done every few years at every municipal water supply | Jan 11 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: all the details of that are in the Guardian piece | Jan 11 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | the results have to be mailed to everyone in that area | Jan 11 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: how the scene was set for the inevitable catastrophe | Jan 11 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the tests now show the supply is FULL of poison... now what? | Jan 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:03] <FurnaceBoy> DaemonFC: water samples are rocketing up in poisons | Jan 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | They could rename it East Tumour | Jan 11 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ouch | Jan 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: yes, he's great | Jan 11 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you ever read John Pilger's "Hidden Agendas" ? | Jan 11 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The town faces sanctions until the problem is resolved | Jan 11 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | clean drinking water has to be provided in the mean time | Jan 11 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: where do you mean? in the USA? | Jan 11 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, thats in the USA | Jan 11 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you want to know the status of Bhopal region today, check the Guardian retrospective on the disaster. | Jan 11 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the water is checked. it's poisonous and getting worse. now what? | Jan 11 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I think every drinking water supply serving more than 25 people is subject to the Clean Water Act | Jan 11 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the USA has its own serious water quality problems. Perchlorate. BPA. etc. | Jan 11 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: again, the EPA "overlooks" many things. | Jan 11 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: as does the FDA | Jan 11 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, so people buy bottled tap water with the same shit in it | Jan 11 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Jan 11 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 11 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | true dat | Jan 11 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | the only requirements for bottled drinking water are the same ones the EPA requires of tap water | Jan 11 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's something that's gonna be hard to explain ... "why did they poison *everywhere*, granddad?" | Jan 11 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | just if it's bottled, the FDA has jurisdiction | Jan 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no, I watches his film Year Zero 2 months ago | Jan 11 21:10 |
| schestowitz | *tched | Jan 11 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's been reported in many cases bottled is *worse* than tap water. | Jan 11 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | yes, chemicals in the plastic bottle get into the water | Jan 11 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | so you have tap water + that | Jan 11 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | water filters don't do anything about the most dangerous stuff that could be in the water | Jan 11 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | they make it taste a little better, remove a lot of calcium | Jan 11 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | that's about it | Jan 11 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | they're a total waste of money | Jan 11 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 11 21:12 |
| MinceR | they also lack chlorine | Jan 11 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The chlorine is not removed by a charcoal filter | Jan 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQrE7aN6sxY | Jan 11 21:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- John Pilger part 2 London 26 September 2008 (film clips) .::. Size~: 113.12 KB | Jan 11 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | it neutralizes the odor and the taste | Jan 11 21:13 |
| MinceR | then i can recommend mineral water instead | Jan 11 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's a book | Jan 11 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) and I recommend it | Jan 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | I'll watch tonight | Jan 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but he does book tours, for sure | Jan 11 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | the guy kicks ass. | Jan 11 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | you have to buy the REALLY expensive filters before they make any claims of removing "some" of the bacteria you hear about | Jan 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Books are *So* yesterday | Jan 11 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | which may not even be in your water | Jan 11 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Jan 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | No hyperlink, no "send to friend", no adiovisual | Jan 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | *ausio | Jan 11 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I use postal service ;-) | Jan 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | *>audio | Jan 11 21:14 |
| MinceR | if you don't sanitize everything you come into contact with, your immune system can handle it :> | Jan 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | water softeners are dangerous | Jan 11 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR++ | Jan 11 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | they remove calcium, magnesium, and iron | Jan 11 21:15 |
| MinceR | it's ok if you don't remove too much of it :> | Jan 11 21:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR=1; | Jan 11 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them have a bypass switch for when you're not doing the dishes or something | Jan 11 21:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: type mismatch | Jan 11 21:15 |
| schestowitz | WHose? | Jan 11 21:15 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy? | Jan 11 21:15 |
| schestowitz | If you're not an integer, then you can't increment, either | Jan 11 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: perhaps he's null | Jan 11 21:16 |
| MinceR | maybe i have an operator++ defined | Jan 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that's right | Jan 11 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh, well, that would be a different exception. | Jan 11 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I just run the faucet for about a minute before I get water to drink | Jan 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR is ploymorphic | Jan 11 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's called "blowin' off the rocket fuel" :D | Jan 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | *poly | Jan 11 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | indoor pipes tend to pollute your drinking water more than anything else | Jan 11 21:16 |
| schestowitz | fork(MinceR); | Jan 11 21:16 |
| MinceR | ew | Jan 11 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | make it taste nasty too | Jan 11 21:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | !google perchlorate contamination | Jan 11 21:17 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Perchlorate news: news and information about the treatment of ... | http://www.perchloratenews.com/ | Jan 11 21:17 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Perchlorate Contamination Treatment Alternatives | http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/technologydevelopment/upload/TD_REP_Perchlorate-Alternatives.pdf | Jan 11 21:17 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Perchlorate Contamination Information - Larry Ladd | http://www.perchlorate.org/ | Jan 11 21:17 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Perchlorate Contamination and Thyroid Disease - Thyroid Disease ... | http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa061999.htm | Jan 11 21:17 |
| MinceR | i drink uncarbonated mineral water | Jan 11 21:17 |
| *schestowitz error: must find mate | Jan 11 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe one day we can use our liver to filter the chlorine | Jan 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | We'll just need to learn to recycle urine | Jan 11 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | People who buy water in a bottle are the ones who should be executed | Jan 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Jan 11 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | right after they finish with the SUV owners | Jan 11 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | haha | Jan 11 21:18 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you're clueless as usual | Jan 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Why? The plastic? | Jan 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of crossover there | Jan 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if they had microwaved the water. | Jan 11 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yeah, bottled water seems weird to anyone over 15 years old, I would think. | Jan 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | they probably own a Mac and get Styrofoam coffee cups at Starbucks | Jan 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | have a Save the Environment license plate | Jan 11 21:18 |
| schestowitz | What else can be made cheaply to contain water? | Jan 11 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I see a fair number of reusable latte containers nowadays. I was surprised. | Jan 11 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | they need to make a "Save the environment from me" plate for SUV owners | Jan 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | How about people experiment with water-holder-implant? | Jan 11 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: interesting. | Jan 11 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: aren't we already made that way? | Jan 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | You put it underneath the rib cage to improve people's capacity if they walk the dessert | Jan 11 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Put a button next to it... like a pacer | Jan 11 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ahhhh now you make me think of Dune | Jan 11 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: stillsuit | Jan 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | If women have room for redundant silicon bags, why not make something practical? | Jan 11 21:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in Palin's case, we call them "venom sacs" | Jan 11 21:20 |
| schestowitz | !google Romanian tennis breast shrink | Jan 11 21:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Tennis star Simona Halep to have surgery to shrink 'uncomfortable ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189468/Tennis-star-Simona-Halep-surgery-shrink-uncomfortable-breasts.html | Jan 11 21:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Why is tennis player going to have breast reduction? | http://askville.amazon.com/tennis-player-breast-reduction/AnswerViewer.do%3FrequestId%3D52891123 | Jan 11 21:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Simona Halep Sets Date To Have Breast Reduction - Tennis | http://ballhype.com/story/simona_halep_sets_date_to_have_breast_reduction/ | Jan 11 21:20 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Is 17 too young for breast reduction surgery? | http://www.realself.com/question/is-17-too-young-breast-reduction-surgery | Jan 11 21:20 |
| *FurnaceBoy really needs to get back to work. | Jan 11 21:20 | |
| DaemonFC | there was a guy I know of that's a mechanic at one of those places that was taking Cash For Clunkers cars. The government said all cars taken in must be destroyed, so they used a liquid poured into the crankcase that would turn into some kind of crustal and seize the engine up | Jan 11 21:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | far out. | Jan 11 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | he had some left over, so he left on door steps of SUV owners with a note saying it was a new kind of engine additive | Jan 11 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | and that was a free sample | Jan 11 21:21 |
| *schestowitz passes DaemonFC an implant filled with mineral water | Jan 11 21:21 | |
| DaemonFC | and it would make their gas mileage go up | Jan 11 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | It says on the rubber, open in emergency only | Jan 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | "Hermetically sealed" | Jan 11 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they'd be more likely to use it if it said, makes your gas mileage worse. | Jan 11 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: after all, they were the unthinking twits who bought the monster in the first place. | Jan 11 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason, SUV owners are anal about how many miles per gallon they get | Jan 11 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: irrational | Jan 11 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think if they were that upset, they would have bought something that didn't have a V12 | Jan 11 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Who uses "anal" in this context, DaemonFC? | Jan 11 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "competitive" ? | Jan 11 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you'd think | Jan 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Jan 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | He's phasing in terms that dilute them | Jan 11 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: probably they're just sensitive about it | Jan 11 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: to deflect complaints from people who actually give a damn | Jan 11 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: salesman gives you a kit. "Here's how you justify this idiotic purchase to your friends or family who may haveopinions on it." | Jan 11 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | I hate SUVs, damned traffic hazard | Jan 11 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | I flip them off | Jan 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | France banned them? | Jan 11 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they won't fit on many French roads anyway :D | Jan 11 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: one of the great things about Europe | Jan 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Caravans with wheels | Jan 11 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | considering that their roads are basically big sidewalks | Jan 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | all vehicles are traffic hazards if they're driven by incompetent people | Jan 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's good for the Democrats | Jan 11 21:24 |
| MinceR | and they usually are | Jan 11 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | complete with pedestrians | Jan 11 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and the rest are *small* sidewalks :D | Jan 11 21:24 |
| schestowitz | They'll just wheel over poor people in boats, along with their tenancy... maybe to a new colony | Jan 11 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Like the British with Australia | Jan 11 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | My mom brought back pictures of Paris and I had no idea that those were streets cause there were so many pedestrians | Jan 11 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | then there's this itty bitty car driving down one of them | Jan 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Did you need your mom for the photos? | Jan 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't get it with photos today | Jan 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | You can get many that are geo-tagged | Jan 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | with interactive UIs | Jan 11 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I just never really cared that much about France I guess | Jan 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Unless there's people in them, they lack value, except for one who captured them (personal value in preserving memory) | Jan 11 21:26 |
| schestowitz | And besides, everyone has the tolls now to superimpose self/selves on top of any image | Jan 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | "Oh.. ooooooh! Honey, take a photo of me with the Grand Canyon in the bg!!" | Jan 11 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I would be bored out of my mind in Paris from the looks of it | Jan 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | The whole "I was here" syndrome | Jan 11 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | weird social customs, high prices, strange layout | Jan 11 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Many young Columbuses | Jan 11 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I could get that in some larger US cities | Jan 11 21:27 |
| *schestowitz listens to French music ATM, by coincidence | Jan 11 21:28 | |
| DaemonFC | nobody speaks English? New York Citry | Jan 11 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | *City | Jan 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Jan 11 21:28 |
| schestowitz | In the UK, people speak just one language usually | Jan 11 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | Bad road layout? St. Paul, Minnesota | Jan 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | In the US I think Spanish changed that | Jan 11 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | Crappy weather? I live in it | Jan 11 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | might as well say I've been everywhere :) | Jan 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | In the UK, anyone who can't speak English (even overseas) it probbaly assumed to be stupid | Jan 11 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Imagine the hypocrisy | Jan 11 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | or a Paki? | Jan 11 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | WHat if China looked down on anyone who did not speak Mandarin? | Jan 11 21:30 |
| schestowitz | And ICANN was Chinese...... | Jan 11 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I don't know, what if China developed the internet? | Jan 11 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | It probably would have been arranged around native Chinese speakers | Jan 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Paki is an insult here, DaemonFC | Jan 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | It's used by racist people | Jan 11 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, this I know | Jan 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Same reason you can't use other words like "jew" or "nigger" like some people can | Jan 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Paki is just abbreviation | Jan 11 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | those damned jew niggers | Jan 11 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | see, I did it | Jan 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But taken out of context of mindset or association it becomes bad | Jan 11 21:31 |
| schestowitz | There's this video....... | Jan 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Wait. | Jan 11 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I usually do say "I just got Jewed" instead of "I was just cheated" | Jan 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. amazing atheists is sort of gone due to censorship | Jan 11 21:32 |
| schestowitz | His video "niggets" is not there | Jan 11 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | "I was just Jewed out of twenty bucks for this!!!!" | Jan 11 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | There was a controversy when Michael Jackson used the word as a verb | Jan 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | It's all words | Jan 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | But what you make with words matters | Jan 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Like "communism" | Jan 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Or "MARX!!" | Jan 11 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Booooooooohoohohohoho!!!!!!!!! | Jan 11 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Just don't teach kids what "Niggardly" means | Jan 11 21:33 |
| *schestowitz watches ghosts flying | Jan 11 21:33 | |
| DaemonFC | you'll get fired from your teaching jobs | Jan 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Which other words are dangerous to utter? | Jan 11 21:34 |
| MinceR | "Hastur" | Jan 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorism" is a cheap word now | Jan 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Everything is terrorism | Jan 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Even peaceful protests | Jan 11 21:34 |
| schestowitz | So it was cheapened | Jan 11 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | Spic, Chink, Gook, Nigger, Nigger, Nigger | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Piracy too | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Piracy doesn't mean murder | Jan 11 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | so basically your sprinkler system is racist | Jan 11 21:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It means some f*ing 12-y-o girl downloading some file from KaZaa | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | So Piracy is a friendly word now | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Pirate Party | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Pirate Bay | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | "Where do you work?" | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | "I am in the Pirate Party" | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | "Cewl!!!!!!" | Jan 11 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Huzzah!" | Jan 11 21:35 |
| MinceR | pirates and ninjas are cool | Jan 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | didn't you get the memo? | Jan 11 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | 12 year old girl downloads Britney Spears WMAs from Limewire, charged with Domestic Terrorism | Jan 11 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | story at 11 | Jan 11 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | p2p is terrorism | Jan 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Free software is communism | Jan 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Free culture is treason | Jan 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Speaking to a boy in the street is pedophila | Jan 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Searching Google for material on uranium is terrorism | Jan 11 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | only if you have candy | Jan 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Learning about the galaxy is nihilism | Jan 11 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | or is candy just an aggravating circumstance? | Jan 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Atheism is advocacy of no morals | Jan 11 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I can never tell | Jan 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Science if the root of all evil | Jan 11 21:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now Im getting back to normality, spending some time writing up a Q&A for an article and tidying up my site. | Jan 11 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | People who are black will rape your sister | Jan 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | 223635 < schestowitz> Learning about the galaxy is nihilism | Jan 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | People who say "ain't" are poor | Jan 11 21:38 |
| MinceR | no, it's blasphemy | Jan 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | The guy with the thing on his head will take down your planes if you're both in it | Jan 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | The guy with the skateboard dropped out of highscool | Jan 11 21:38 |
| schestowitz | The guy who is strong is obvious on steroids | Jan 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Black_hole after "There's a broader point here." | Jan 11 21:39 |
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| schestowitz | The skinny girl if obviously a wannabe model, not just ill | Jan 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | The man without hair is a skinhead, not a cancer patient | Jan 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jan 11 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was talking about a doctor who was lazy, apathetic, and ignoring his patients and my aunt asked if he wore a turban | Jan 11 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | I laughed my ass off | Jan 11 21:39 |
| schestowitz | OK, back to looking at news | Jan 11 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | both doctors in that office fit the description | Jan 11 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | I heard that one of him told his patient that he didn't care if she died cause he was only getting $40 from Medicaid to see her | Jan 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | with or without the turban? | Jan 11 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | *one of them | Jan 11 21:40 |
| schestowitz | In winter it's kind of cool | Jan 11 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: meh, Indian doctors, thick accent, change their name to sound more American | Jan 11 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe it's so I can pronounce it | Jan 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes I'd like to wear a turban... like now... it's friggin' cold outsidd | Jan 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I'd wear hat or hoodie | Jan 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Or both | Jan 11 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Where the hoodie with the marijuana leaf on it | Jan 11 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | that always helps if you encounter a cop | Jan 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | How did you know !! :-) | Jan 11 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | *Wear | Jan 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | No, it has an opium pic on it | Jan 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | To tell that I'm a cracker, not a hacker ;-) | Jan 11 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | don't buy opium or you fund the terrorists | Jan 11 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | don't you know that? | Jan 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Seriously now, I guess turbans are handy for some things | Jan 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I know | Jan 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Colombians too | Jan 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | But the US sometimes drives them to it | Jan 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | They imposed sanctions that left some farmer having to grow drugs | Jan 11 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they counterfeit lots of US money | Jan 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | And then they vilifiy them | Jan 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It's like with this whole "War on piracy"... where you price things out of rich and then accuse some nation of poor people of being 'rogue nation" of "theives" | Jan 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | *thieves | Jan 11 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've always thought that the reason we don't use anti-counterfeiting stuff on our money is because it's off-the-record inflation that way | Jan 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | P2p too | Jan 11 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | when it gets introduced into the money supply | Jan 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | So they say now | Jan 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | All money made though p2p will go to Al Qauda | Jan 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It will come back to your "in the form of a mushroom cloud" | Jan 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | /your/you/ | Jan 11 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | P2P is a terrorist plot to deny funding to American Imaginary Property cartels | Jan 11 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | (And sometimes British ones) | Jan 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | P2P stands for Power2Petrol | Jan 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Mid east oil that is... | Jan 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Napster was created by the Petrol Allience | Jan 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | They trained Shaun and his mate in the mountain caves and then sent him to a US college with loads of bandwidth | Jan 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/iphone-tethering-on-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html | Jan 11 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Is Apple still bricking modified HypePhones? | Jan 11 21:51 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been experimenting with different themes. I think I'll go back to Journalist 1.9. The new theme looked too cluttered. | Jan 11 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/xbox-franchise-kaput/ ? | Jan 11 22:09 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Maybe Lenovo is not entirely Linux hostile after all, but the management is filled with ex-Softies http://ur1.ca/jm1z | Jan 11 22:11 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Remember that Judge who got paid off to find juveniles guilty? Even more of a #douchebag than earlier suspescted http://ur1.ca/jm1v | Jan 11 22:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/01/02/Doing-It-Wrong | Jan 11 22:14 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Heh. Yeah, usually you hear about new consoles from Sony and Microsoft every 5 years or so, if they keep silent at E3 this year, it'll tell you everything you need to know | Jan 11 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | and really it's already been silent for too long, Microsoft usually "leaks" some details 6-12 months in advance of E3 | Jan 11 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Bashing some companies and the GPL while keeping on saying he ain't: Why an Open Source Community Should not cede Leadership to a Commercial Entity - MySql/Oracle < http://www.dr-chuck.com/csev-blog/000688.html | Jan 11 22:17 |
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| *DiabloD3 is now known as Diablo-D3 | Jan 11 22:19 | |
| schestowitz | http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/08/michael-pollan-offers-64-ways-to-eat-food/?em | Jan 11 22:20 |
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| DaemonFC | I've never liked Distrowatch's ranking system | Jan 11 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | it gives the impression that Ubuntu is more used just because more people were interested enough to click on a page | Jan 11 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | it could be that they went on to use something else, or continued using Windows | Jan 11 22:28 |
| MinceR | did they say that the numbers represent how many people are _using_ that distro? | Jan 11 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder what the most used distribution is if you don't just count every page click from a person with an idle interest | Jan 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | People who go there look for replacememnD | Jan 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Stats are a funny thing | Jan 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Fiefox download for example | Jan 11 22:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: once again you whine about statistics not being about something they don't claim to be about | Jan 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | How many download of Firefox are made from Firefox? :-) | Jan 11 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: People like to point at Ubuntu "being on top at Distrowatch" | Jan 11 22:29 |
| MinceR | whine to those people then | Jan 11 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | just looking at the front page doesn't say those are not a benchmark | Jan 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Ladislav did post some distro visit stats around 2007 | Jan 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | it means that visitors of that site are most interested in ubuntu | Jan 11 22:30 |
| schestowitz | You can find that article | Jan 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Whining to that guy doesn't do you good, MinceR | Jan 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | 2007 is ancient history :) | Jan 11 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It was quite detailed, but he doesn't have much IPs on there | Jan 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: whining to us doesn't do us any good either | Jan 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | I brought up the fact that Ubuntu Christian and Muslim Editions weren't really distributions | Jan 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | well, what are they, then? | Jan 11 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu with a theme and some bible software pre-installed | Jan 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Like many other distros | Jan 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | They are still distros | Jan 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | What is Ubuntu? | Jan 11 22:31 |
| MinceR | what's a distro? | Jan 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Linux, x, slaptogethers... | Jan 11 22:31 |
| MinceR | a GNU/Linux system prepared for use | Jan 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | You could build one yourself, DaemonFC | Jan 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | even from scratch | Jan 11 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: So if I take Ubuntu and make the default background an image of Hitler..... | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Like a Gentoo derivative a la Sabayon or Exherbo | Jan 11 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | can I get on Distrowatch as Ubuntu Hitler Edition? | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Jan 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | ...and make an ISO of it and publish it then you end up with a distro of your own | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | If Ladislav lists you | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | He's selective | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Based on mailing list, maturity, # of releases | Jan 11 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, he didn't include Ubuntu Satanic Edition | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't want a graveyard of distros to keep track of | Jan 11 22:32 |
| _goblin_ | DaemonFC: I wouldn't think so.....UbuntuSE was refused an entry at Distrowatch. | Jan 11 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's as much a distro as the rest | Jan 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | There's a threshold for acceptance | Jan 11 22:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #CES hates small busineses, news at 11 http://ur1.ca/jm2r | Jan 11 22:33 | |
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| schestowitz | Wares? | Jan 11 22:33 |
| _goblin_ | sorry.....didn't see your comment about Satanic Edition | Jan 11 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Any girls there? | Jan 11 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | I was the one that suggested Fiery Spawn instead of Feisty Fawn | Jan 11 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | for 7.04 | Jan 11 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | so distrowatch has a bias against certain religions | Jan 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jan 11 22:34 |
| schestowitz | jono pardoned them for trademarks | Jan 11 22:34 |
| schestowitz | PR response team | Jan 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | what's the muslim one called now? | Jan 11 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Sibli or something | Jan 11 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Sabily | Jan 11 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | well, if they attacked SE, but not the CHristian and Muslim editions, it looks bad I guess | Jan 11 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Make a hybrid CE/ME | Jan 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | oh. | Jan 11 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Add NT | Jan 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | so only against Satanism | Jan 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jan 11 22:35 |
| schestowitz | ANd what do we get? | Jan 11 22:35 |
| schestowitz | What do we get? | Jan 11 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu CEMENT | Jan 11 22:35 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: not really.'most' people have a total disregard and contempt for anything satan..it wasn't a stretch at all to remove it | Jan 11 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Christian Edition Muslim Edition Next Technology | Jan 11 22:36 |
| schestowitz | The NT is for Mono | Jan 11 22:36 |
| MinceR | that doesn't make it right | Jan 11 22:36 |
| schestowitz | COM objects and other rubbish | Jan 11 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME looks quite horribly dated, even by Windows standards | Jan 11 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | why does everyone use it? | Jan 11 22:37 |
| neighborlee | it started as a 'answer' to kde , thats why | Jan 11 22:37 |
| MinceR | nope, by windows standards it's great | Jan 11 22:37 |
| neighborlee | simple, fast ()? ;),,blah | Jan 11 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | an answer to the question the FSF asked | Jan 11 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Windows is ugly | Jan 11 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the answer was MONO | Jan 11 22:37 |
| schestowitz | XP gui is like WIn2k | Jan 11 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 11 22:37 |
| MinceR | wrong answer again | Jan 11 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Only with Fisher Price window decorations | Jan 11 22:37 |
| MinceR | it's probably a lingering effect of licensing issues | Jan 11 22:38 |
| MinceR | and of all the investment major distros put into gnome while those issues were around | Jan 11 22:38 |
| neighborlee | beauty ey e of beholder as always...so far 85% of public thinks windows is 'ok' I guess ;) | Jan 11 22:38 |
| MinceR | said the windows user | Jan 11 22:38 |
| neighborlee | based on one poll I saw anyway- | Jan 11 22:38 |
| neighborlee | ymmv , obviously | Jan 11 22:39 |
| neighborlee | windows7 for example has basic, nice effects,,I do like the background changer similar to what fedora came out with,,linux h as 'more' effects I think but running them always caused my system to behave erratically | Jan 11 22:41 |
| neighborlee | again, ymmv | Jan 11 22:41 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRz7KDNW-is&feature=related | Jan 11 22:42 | |
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| neighborlee | I think I was on fedora so I dont know,,ill try another distro soon ( arch) and get back to you on that ;) | Jan 11 22:42 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz: slightly cynical :) | Jan 11 22:44 |
| neighborlee | schestowitz: as if all such news sources aren't to be trusted ;) | Jan 11 22:44 |
| neighborlee | broad brush | Jan 11 22:44 |
| neighborlee | but it looks like a interesting video yes | Jan 11 22:44 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: http://www.linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-48-holiday-geek-roundup-linux-basement | Jan 11 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | neighborlee: give it a shot | Jan 11 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | the thing that annoys me most about Windows is that every application you install feels the need to autostart | Jan 11 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | some little stub or something in your system tray | Jan 11 22:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Digital Tipping Point – A Q&A with Christian Einfeldt - http://tinyurl.com/yauh2xa #linux #foss #dtp | Jan 11 22:46 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Digital Tipping Point A Q&A with Christian Einfeldt « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 41.93 KB | Jan 11 22:46 |
| _goblin_ | schestowitz: Yeah I saw earlier....thanks for reminding me though. I can listen to it now! | Jan 11 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | it was more annoying when RAM was limited to maybe 512 megs and everything wanted to start with XP | Jan 11 22:47 |
| *DaemonFC has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.1/20091206075935]") | Jan 11 22:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Cameron: "Love of the common people" better for families, cheaper for governments http://newstechnica.com/?p=1220 | Jan 11 23:12 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Cameron: Love of the common people better for families, cheaper for governments | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.75 KB | Jan 11 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Sarah Palin signs on as a commentator with Fox News - Might as well make it official eh? http://tinyurl.com/ylphe4k | Jan 11 23:21 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 11 23:22 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 11 23:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why do I do it to myself...A feature on RPG's had now turned into a d/l of gnome-mud 0.11.2 and getting back into MUD. Bye life. | Jan 11 23:41 | |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jan 11 23:42 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks to everyone that participated in the campaign to nominate me for a C# MVP award, when I got back to Boston I found on my piles of email that I am now part of the program. " | Jan 11 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jan-11-1.html#comment-29388722 | Jan 11 23:42 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: MVP Award - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 13.14 KB | Jan 11 23:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb but she doesn't read newspapers | Jan 11 23:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/zbowling/statuses/7640224351 | Jan 11 23:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Zac Bowling: Congrats Miguel!!! I hav ... .::. Size~: 9.81 KB | Jan 11 23:45 |
| _goblin_ | Hey its good news isnt it???? What better person to be involved with Gnome/Linux/FOSS than a Microsoft MVP....i don't know why anyone didn't think of this earlier..... | Jan 11 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | but but but but | Jan 11 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | my name is found on microsoft.com :< | Jan 11 23:47 |
| _goblin_ | I jest of course. | Jan 11 23:48 |
| _goblin_ | Im surprised De Icaza didn't get the codeplex job. | Jan 11 23:48 |
| _goblin_ | maybe thats next. | Jan 11 23:48 |
| _goblin_ | I wish Microsoft would just give him a job and be done with it.....what with MVP's, praising Microsoft tech.....he's more pro-MS than Ballmer. | Jan 11 23:48 |
| MinceR | do you reckon he'd finally shut up and stay put if he got the job at m$ he craved all his life? | Jan 11 23:49 |
| schestowitz | _goblin_: he's on the board of codeplex | Jan 11 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And yes, I wish they gave him a job | Jan 11 23:49 |
| _goblin_ | I meant the presidency. | Jan 11 23:49 |
| schestowitz | !google boycott novell open letter to microsoft | Jan 11 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Why Boycott? | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/about/ | Jan 11 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Microsoft Critique: Resources | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft-critique-resources/ | Jan 11 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - verofakto: BoycottNovell minion nymshifts again after embarassing ... | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/10/boycottnovell-minion-nymshifts-again.html | Jan 11 23:50 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - I'd like to thank God, the academy, and Microsoft for making ... | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/node/1879 | Jan 11 23:50 |
| MinceR | i wish they gave him euthanasia | Jan 11 23:50 |
| MinceR | he's a waste of oxygen | Jan 11 23:50 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't come up... anyway, Microsoft should hire him | Jan 11 23:50 |
| schestowitz | This way we don't need to have this burden | Jan 11 23:50 |
| *DaemonFC (n=chatzill@c-69-245-224-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 11 23:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is running pet food commercials now | Jan 11 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | over and over :P | Jan 11 23:53 |
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