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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 12th, 2010

DaemonFChttp://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/cardio/cardio-salt-initiative.shtmlJan 12 00:02
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DaemonFCGalactic Emperor Bloomberg to micromanage your salt intake nowJan 12 00:02
DaemonFC:DJan 12 00:02
DaemonFCnothing like the government mandating that every restaurant makes bland inedible crapJan 12 00:03
DaemonFCWatch this spread, creep its way into every big city in the country, like their trans-fat banJan 12 00:03
DaemonFCor their ban on smoking in barsJan 12 00:04
MinceR010226 < DaemonFC> nothing like the government mandating that every restaurant makes bland inedible crapJan 12 00:05
MinceRsounds like Demolition ManJan 12 00:05
MinceR(the movie)Jan 12 00:05
DaemonFCnope, every restaurant was Taco BellJan 12 00:05
DaemonFCand I would actually be mostly alright with thatJan 12 00:05
DaemonFC:)Jan 12 00:05
MinceRremember, they outlawed saltJan 12 00:06
DaemonFCevery restaurant was Pizza Hut in the European release I thinkJan 12 00:06
MinceRit wasJan 12 00:06
MinceRthough they forgot to replace the logos on the glass panesJan 12 00:06
MinceRi think it was a stupid decisionJan 12 00:06
DaemonFCso it was dubbed over "Pizza Hut" when they said "Taco Bell" and the sign out front was Taco Bell?Jan 12 00:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @johl Vote for Barbie to become a computer engineer! http://www.barbie.com/vote/Jan 12 00:06
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DaemonFCthat's some bad editingJan 12 00:07
MinceRyes, the signs that weren't on the windows were replacedJan 12 00:07
MinceRnot too well, but i expected it to be worseJan 12 00:07
DaemonFCdo they not have Taco Bell over there or something?Jan 12 00:07
MinceRthe colored sign at the entrance and the one on the car nearby was replacedJan 12 00:07
MinceRprobably notJan 12 00:08
MinceRcertainly not here in hungaryJan 12 00:08
DaemonFCmust not or else they wouldn't have changed the jokeJan 12 00:08
DaemonFCyeah, I think they only had one Taco Bell in the UK and it closedJan 12 00:08
MinceRanyway, my point is that they outlawed everything they thought was bad for you, including salt, which likely resulted in bland foodJan 12 00:08
MinceRiirc Spartan did dislike their foodJan 12 00:08
DaemonFCsalt, red meat, list of other stuff, sexJan 12 00:08
MinceRi forgot the red meat :)Jan 12 00:09
DaemonFCmy favorite part was the three seashells and the cursing banJan 12 00:09
DaemonFChe walks up and cusses out the ticket issuing machine to get toilet paper :DJan 12 00:09
MinceR:)Jan 12 00:09
MinceRthe whole movie is greatJan 12 00:09
DaemonFC"Jeffrey Dahmer!?!? I love that guy!!!!"Jan 12 00:10
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MinceRWP says they outlawed meat, spicy food and table salt among other thingsJan 12 00:10
DaemonFCMinceR: The Magnetic Accelerator Gun was what I'd get if I could have anything from that movieJan 12 00:10
MinceR:)Jan 12 00:10
DaemonFCa rail gun in the form of a rifle, hell yesJan 12 00:10
MinceRcould be a coil gunJan 12 00:11
MinceR(no friction :> )Jan 12 00:11
DaemonFCmeh, similar concept either wayJan 12 00:11
DaemonFCgo deer hunting with a rail gunJan 12 00:11
DaemonFCB-)Jan 12 00:12
MinceR"This is very deer to me."Jan 12 00:12
DaemonFCI like overkillJan 12 00:12
DaemonFCreduces the margin of error to manageable levelsJan 12 00:13
MinceRThere is no "overkill". There is only "open fire" and "reload".Jan 12 00:13
MinceRthough in the case of deer hunting, it's preferable to keep damage to its flesh to minimumJan 12 00:13
DaemonFCyeah, and if you bought a fully automatic weapon here before they were banned, you can still legally have itJan 12 00:14
DaemonFCthere's a few left aroundJan 12 00:14
MinceRyou can also legally own railguns and coilguns since they're not firearms, can you not?Jan 12 00:14
MinceRthe only problem is that the batteries would be huge :>Jan 12 00:14
DaemonFCI don't knowJan 12 00:14
DaemonFCwould probably be a case for the supreme court (in the end)Jan 12 00:14
MinceRat least here the definition of a firearm includes that it uses chemical reactions to propel the projectileJan 12 00:15
DaemonFCthere's two ways something can become illegalJan 12 00:15
MinceRbut also anything that can easily cause harm is classified, so here you aren't entirely out of the waterJan 12 00:15
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DaemonFCCongress passes a new law, or the courts interpret existing ones more broadlyJan 12 00:15
MinceRi know, it's a messJan 12 00:15
DaemonFCMinceR: A lot of our federal government bloat and overreaching into state matters is due to one flaw in the ConstitutionJan 12 00:16
DaemonFCthe Commerce ClauseJan 12 00:16
DaemonFCtoo broad, too vagueJan 12 00:16
DaemonFCgives the feds unlimited power to beat the states into submissionJan 12 00:16
DaemonFCI guess I can understand the need to "revolt", but all those guys are like Angry White Man parties that even scare the Republicans shitlessJan 12 00:17
DaemonFCso I'm kind of hoping that doesn't catch onJan 12 00:18
DaemonFC:PJan 12 00:18
DaemonFCthe Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 expired in like 2004, MinceR Jan 12 00:19
DaemonFCbut it wasn't really a ban on assault weaponsJan 12 00:19
DaemonFCit was a ban on large clips, hunting rifles, and a few things like hand grenades which were already illegal to give it a more scary toneJan 12 00:19
DaemonFCthe Democrats want to "gun control" the second amendment out of existenceJan 12 00:20
DaemonFCmake it so impractical to own any type or caliber of gun that nobody doesJan 12 00:20
DaemonFCjack up the licensing fees so high that nobody can pay themJan 12 00:20
DaemonFC:)Jan 12 00:21
MinceRbreak the spirit of the second amendmentJan 12 00:21
DaemonFCthey also keep a list of everyone that owns one so they can disarm the civilians quickly were martial law declaredJan 12 00:21
DaemonFCyeah, the government has tried everything they can do to encroach on the bill of rights without indisputably violating themJan 12 00:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reasons to Avoid #BestBuy for #GNU #Linux -hostile Attitude http://ur1.ca/jm9iJan 12 00:22
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux News: Community: Install Linux, Void Your Netbook's Warranty? .::. Size~: 59.89 KBJan 12 00:22
DaemonFCpersonally, I would like to see another bill of rights with another dozen stipulations or soJan 12 00:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Members Choice Awards Kicked off at LinuxQuestions.org http://ur1.ca/jm9kJan 12 00:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Hypothetical #GNU #Linux Headlines http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1284 #1 is odd....Jan 12 00:23
phIRCe-localTitle:  Voting for the 2009 LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards is now open. - LinuxQuestions.org .::. Size~: 44.54 KBJan 12 00:23
phIRCe-localTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 74.11 KBJan 12 00:24
cubezzzthis is very old but still funny:Jan 12 00:25
cubezzzhttp://rocinante.colorado.edu/~wilms/recreation/chicken.htmlJan 12 00:25
DaemonFCMicrosoft would never embrace Linux or OOo, anything else is as good as maybeJan 12 00:25
DaemonFCthey only have two products that make moneyJan 12 00:25
Diablo-D3very oldJan 12 00:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One #GNU #Linux Victory (E.g. #Android , #Chrome ) is Victory of All http://ur1.ca/jm9qJan 12 00:25
DaemonFCyeah, newspapers are now selling subscriptions on KindleJan 12 00:26
MinceRi'd expect them to embrace *bsd and go-oo before those two anywayJan 12 00:26
DaemonFCapparently still not aware of news.google.comJan 12 00:26
MinceRDaemonFC: and it works if some users are also not aware of it either :>Jan 12 00:26
DaemonFCMinceR: Some of Windows is probably still BSD codeJan 12 00:26
MinceRindeed it isJan 12 00:26
cubezzzhow much are the subscriptions?Jan 12 00:26
DaemonFCcubezzz: I don't knowJan 12 00:27
MinceRbut they could rebuild winblows as a gui or desktop environment on top of *bsd to save costsJan 12 00:27
DaemonFCanything more than free is too muchJan 12 00:27
DaemonFCI'm not paying to listen to Fox Noise and Communist News NetworkJan 12 00:27
MinceRor just switch to it as a supported platform after winblows diesJan 12 00:27
DaemonFCand newspapers are the same thing on dead treesJan 12 00:27
MinceR(if they were to survive that, which i consider unlikely)Jan 12 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Merits of Compilation-based Distros http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/are-source-compiled-packages-really-faster-36314Jan 12 00:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxBasement is Back http://www.linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-48-holiday-geek-roundup-linux-basement I love this showJan 12 00:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Are source compiled packages really faster? .::. Size~: 69.26 KBJan 12 00:27
phIRCe-localTitle: LB - Episode 48 - Holiday Geek Roundup by Linux Basement | Linux Basement .::. Size~: 29.57 KBJan 12 00:27
MinceRyet it was said that they've based the new OS of Sidekick on NetBSDJan 12 00:28
DaemonFCWell, I've wondered about all these people trying to use OS X on AMD processors (mental health and other reasons)Jan 12 00:28
MinceRi'd wonder regardless of the CPU brandJan 12 00:29
DaemonFCone reason is that Apple probably heavily optimizes things in OS X heavily for Intel processorsJan 12 00:29
MinceRcrApple optimizes things?Jan 12 00:29
DaemonFCso you'd probably see a severe performance loss on AMD processorsJan 12 00:29
DaemonFCMinceR: It's not hard to just use the compiler that Intel probably gives themJan 12 00:30
DaemonFCI'm sure it only optimizes code for Intel processorsJan 12 00:30
MinceRremember, we're talking about crAppleJan 12 00:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Progress Report on #Nouveau in #Linux (Mainline) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3Mg great stuff!Jan 12 00:30
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MinceRalso, we're talking about the OS which has a frankensteinesque kernel consisting of the freebsd kernel welded on top of the mach microkernelJan 12 00:31
DaemonFCWindows actually I remember hearing is compiled with optimizations specific to Intel or AMDJan 12 00:31
MinceRcombining the drawbacks of both with some extra performance penaltiesJan 12 00:31
MinceRalso, compiler options will help little on braindead codeJan 12 00:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kaseya Starts Targeting #GNU #Linux http://www.mspmentor.net/2010/01/10/kaseya-pursues-smart-phones-linux-managed-services-markets/Jan 12 00:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Kaseya Pursues Smart Phone, Remote Linux Management Market | MSPmentor .::. Size~: 50.83 KBJan 12 00:31
DaemonFCMinceR: You'd be surprisedJan 12 00:31
MinceRbtw, doesn't m$ use the compiler of VS?Jan 12 00:32
MinceRand not ICC?Jan 12 00:32
DaemonFCThere's quite a few things in Linux that the compiler will overrule if you let itJan 12 00:32
DaemonFCbecause it produces a better binary in the end (probably)Jan 12 00:32
DaemonFCthe flip side is that you might provoke some bugs that way :DJan 12 00:32
MinceRDaemonFC: proper choice and implementation of algorithms will still trump CPU-specific optimizationsJan 12 00:32
MinceRexecuting an operation in a few less cycles is meaningless if that operation is executed several times while it isn't necessary to perform at all :>Jan 12 00:33
DaemonFCMinceR: I always like to make my own kernelJan 12 00:33
DaemonFCdistro kernels with generic optimizations and drivers for a billion things I'll never haveJan 12 00:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hacker Evolution: Untold (Computer Game) is Coming the Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/jmabJan 12 00:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Gaming News  » Blog Archive   » Hacker Evolution: Untold For GNU/Linux Goes Beta ! .::. Size~: 27.86 KBJan 12 00:33
MinceRi'm generally too lazy to compile my own kernel nowadays, instead i stick with a binary that was (hopefully) tested alreadyJan 12 00:34
DaemonFCwell, building a kernel on Debian is just so ridiculously easyJan 12 00:34
DaemonFCit even packages itself for youJan 12 00:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amarok 2.2.2 is Released, Preview of #KDE SC 4.5 http://ur1.ca/jmad http://ur1.ca/jmae #kde4 #musicJan 12 00:34
phIRCe-localTitle: Amarok 2.2.2 "Maya Gold" Released | Amarok .::. Size~: 21.29 KBJan 12 00:34
MinceRi knowJan 12 00:34
phIRCe-localTitle: Frederik Gladhorn (fregl)  » New Stuff again .::. Size~: 44.18 KBJan 12 00:35
DaemonFCit just does not get easier than thatJan 12 00:35
MinceRinstalling it from a prebuilt package is even easier :>Jan 12 00:35
DaemonFCyeah, then they have to make thousands of assumptions that probably aren't true on your systemJan 12 00:35
DaemonFCyou really only have to go through those all once, once it spits out your .config file, you can base future kernels on thatJan 12 00:36
MinceRnowadays that simply means choosing a less specific CPU to build for (which might matter a little bit) and building all modules they can (which doesn't hurt)Jan 12 00:36
DaemonFCmaybe adjust one or two more things Jan 12 00:36
DaemonFCMinceR: It matters more than you thinkJan 12 00:36
MinceReven filesystem support won't take up memory because it's built as modules and those are put into the init ramdiskJan 12 00:36
MinceRso only the ones you need are loadedJan 12 00:37
DaemonFCthings like Intel "MacroFusion" won't be supported, for exampleJan 12 00:37
DaemonFCwhich isn't supported in 64-bit mode on Core 2 anyway, but it is on the i7Jan 12 00:37
DaemonFC:)Jan 12 00:37
DaemonFCThere's two things to look out for in Ubuntu that don't apply to DebianJan 12 00:39
MinceRi don't have an i7Jan 12 00:39
DaemonFCnvidia-common will run a script on your deb file that will make it impossible to uninstall, even if you don't use NvidiaJan 12 00:39
DaemonFCso you need to remove nvidia-commonJan 12 00:39
DaemonFCand AppArmor will breakJan 12 00:40
DaemonFCwho cares?Jan 12 00:40
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DaemonFCbrbJan 12 00:40
ender2070hey everyoneJan 12 00:40
MinceRwhat's "MacroFusion"?Jan 12 00:40
MinceRhay ender2070 Jan 12 00:40
ender2070hey MinceRJan 12 00:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Assimilating #GNOME Desktop to #KDE4 : Tips http://ur1.ca/jmax http://ur1.ca/jmayJan 12 00:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Belated #Review of #OpenSolaris 2008.11 http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2010/01/10/review-opensolaris-2008-11/Jan 12 00:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #PCLinuxOS Magazine is Out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42373Jan 12 00:42
phIRCe-localTitle: Its A Binary World 2.0 » Review:  openSolaris 2008.11 .::. Size~: 145.83 KBJan 12 00:43
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ender2070schestowitz - im making a very detailed timeline right now of anti-rms resentmentJan 12 00:43
ender2070I started at 1pmJan 12 00:43
ender2070taking me forever, so much information to go throughJan 12 00:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ZDNet Writer to Move to #GNU #Linux for a Couple of Days http://blogs.zdnet.com/igeneration/?p=3861Jan 12 00:44
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cubezzzthat started in the mid-80's ender2070Jan 12 00:45
MinceRif it's zdnet then no, he can'tJan 12 00:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arch #GNU #Linux Surprises for the Better http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2010/01/11/arch-linux-makes-linux-fun-to-use-again/Jan 12 00:45
phIRCe-localTitle:   Arch Linux makes Linux fun to use again.  | Moved by Freedom - Powered by Standards .::. Size~: 29.81 KBJan 12 00:45
cubezzzif you look at google groups, you'll see RMS was called a communist shortly after he started the GNU projectJan 12 00:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DistroWatch Reviews #SliTaz #GNU #Linux http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100111#featureJan 12 00:46
phIRCe-localTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 107.05 KBJan 12 00:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Frugalware 1.2 Pre 2, #Pardus 2009.1 RC Released http://ur1.ca/jmbv http://ur1.ca/jmbwJan 12 00:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Frugalware Linux - Let's make things Frugal! .::. Size~: 12.87 KBJan 12 00:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Founding Explored http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/the-debian-pennybox/Jan 12 00:48
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cubezzzfunny how people don't call wikipedia "communist" but RMS gets called communistJan 12 00:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Runs on Marvell #EBOX http://ur1.ca/jmc1 devices, devices, devices...Jan 12 00:49
phIRCe-localTitle:   Mystery Marvell EBOX is tiny, runs Ubuntu, 1080p video .::. Size~: 24.73 KBJan 12 00:49
phIRCe-localversion phirce !say somethingJan 12 00:50
trmanco:OJan 12 00:50
phIRCe-localversion phirce !say testJan 12 00:50
ender2070cubezzz - and im only going from the angle of it having started since the mono issue was brought upJan 12 00:50
trmancothis is strangeJan 12 00:50
trmanco!version phirceJan 12 00:51
ender2070cubezzz - misinformation and attack articles increased significantly after he did thisJan 12 00:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LiMo -based ( #Linux ) #Phones Appear in CES 2010 http://bit.ly/8wkufJJan 12 00:51
ender2070ms has lots of friends and apologistsJan 12 00:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Hands-on the ELSE Linux smartphone at CES 2010 .::. Size~: 60.76 KBJan 12 00:52
ender2070according to the timeline, its interesting to note that they brought out the community promise 1 day after he publicly said mono is dangerousJan 12 00:52
cubezzzI'd say it's also interesting that RMS starts in 1984 (approximately) and it takes ten years to get to Linux 1.0Jan 12 00:53
MinceR:)Jan 12 00:53
cubezzzor maybe that's fastJan 12 00:53
ender2070where is hurd 1.0Jan 12 00:53
ender2070heh ;)Jan 12 00:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Android / #Linux #Tablets Coming from HP http://ur1.ca/jmc4 also see [News] More Android/Linux Tablets Coming from HPJan 12 00:53
phIRCe-localTitle: H.P. Working on Half-Pint Android Tablet - Bits Blog - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 78.97 KBJan 12 00:53
cubezzzsomething simple that works trumps "pie in the sky" ideasJan 12 00:54
cubezzzand look what we had since 1982->199?Jan 12 00:54
cubezzzMS DOS?Jan 12 00:54
ender2070yeahJan 12 00:54
cubezzzI admit Commodore DOS (before AmigaDOS) was kind of crapJan 12 00:55
schestowitz[00:29] <MinceR> crApple optimizes things?Jan 12 00:55
schestowitzYes, reducing # of buttons of mouse for exampe, culling optionsJan 12 00:55
schestowitzLess is moreJan 12 00:55
schestowitzLess also costs moreJan 12 00:56
cubezzzLess costs more?Jan 12 00:56
cubezzzthat sounds illogical :)Jan 12 00:56
schestowitz[00:43] <ender2070> schestowitz - im making a very detailed timeline right now of anti-rms resentmentJan 12 00:56
schestowitzIt should also show where it comes FROMJan 12 00:57
cubezzzit's comes from the US idea that everything should be for payJan 12 00:57
cubezzzsocialist systems are "bad"Jan 12 00:57
schestowitzender2070: Miguel just got MVPJan 12 00:58
schestowitzI assumed you saw thatJan 12 00:58
ender2070schestowitz - its extremely long of a timeline and I include every single source I can remember/findJan 12 00:58
ender2070goes from june to currentJan 12 00:58
schestowitzender2070: niceJan 12 00:58
schestowitzOh.Jan 12 00:58
schestowitzI though years backJan 12 00:58
*MinceR misses the keyboard from these new linux smartphonesJan 12 00:58
schestowitzLike when COmpTIA (Microsoft front group) attacked him in 2007Jan 12 00:59
schestowitzYou should show where it systematically comes fromJan 12 00:59
cubezzzyou would think Canada would naturally use FOSS more than it doesJan 12 00:59
ender2070im going from the angle of the increased hostility since he said mono might be dangerousJan 12 00:59
schestowitzTheo de Raadt tooJan 12 00:59
ender2070cubezzz - i think someone was going to sue the quebec government for not buying solutions locally and by giving money to a foreign company (microsoft)Jan 12 00:59
schestowitzYesJan 12 01:00
schestowitzAugust 2008Jan 12 01:00
schestowitzGates funds the CA governmentJan 12 01:00
schestowitz$2 bnJan 12 01:00
schestowitzHe corrupts themJan 12 01:00
schestowitzLook it up in BNJan 12 01:00
schestowitz!google http://boycottnovell.com canadaJan 12 01:01
schestowitzOops.Jan 12 01:01
cubezzzthere was that thing Gates did with libraries tooJan 12 01:01
schestowitz!google site:http://boycottnovell.com canadaJan 12 01:01
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cubezzzwas that world-wide or just North America?Jan 12 01:01
schestowitzThere's the story of Montgomery and his labJan 12 01:01
schestowitz!google Montgomery canada linux labJan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[1] - Toronto high school expels Linux lab | http://www.itbusiness.ca/IT/client/en/home/News.asp%3Fid%3D39987Jan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[2] - Toronto high school expels Linux lab - Page 2 | http://www.itbusiness.ca/it/client/en/Home/News.asp%3Fid%3D39987%26PageMem%3D2Jan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[3] - Canadian Education | http://cdneducation.blogspot.com/Jan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[4] - ITBusiness: Toronto high school expels Linux lab | CLUE | http://www.cluecan.ca/node/319Jan 12 01:02
cubezzzyeah I know about that oneJan 12 01:02
schestowitz!google canada gates visaJan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[1] - Northern Gate Consulting :: Canada immigration and Canadian visa. | http://www.ngimmigration.com/Jan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[2] - Merchant Services Canada US Credit Card Processing PSiGate ... | http://www.psigate.com/Jan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[3] - VDARE.com: 07/12/07 - Has Microsoft Found A “Temporary Worker ... | http://www.vdare.com/sanchez/070712_microsoft.htmJan 12 01:02
phIRCe-local[4] - Turkish Visa Information For Canada Citizens | I was in Turkey | http://www.iwasinturkey.com/visa-information/300709-turkish-visa-information-for-canada-citizensJan 12 01:02
cubezzzhe did something with libraries too thoughJan 12 01:02
schestowitzThey used Canada to blackmail their govt.Jan 12 01:02
cubezzzwe should have way more FOSS usageJan 12 01:03
ender2070schestowitz - I might work on a longer time line later on, its going to take way too much time to do properly.Jan 12 01:03
cubezzzso now we have libraries that just use Microsoft softwareJan 12 01:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Mr De Icaza nobody will "distort" your award. You are an MVP now. "Faux open source" what, for questioning the MVP? #microsoftJan 12 01:03
ender2070schestowitz - hes been attacked for a while, but it increased significantly since julyJan 12 01:03
ender2070cubezzz - brampton library has free wifi, I got my free software powered notebook hereJan 12 01:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Joke: what does Microsoft call a "Linux lab"? "Cancer research"Jan 12 01:04
cubezzzdoes the brampton library use FOSS at all?Jan 12 01:05
ender2070cubezzz - probably on the servers/backendJan 12 01:05
ender2070cubezzz - they used to have a dialup bbs/telnet systemJan 12 01:05
cubezzzoh that reminds meJan 12 01:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Funny how some will prempt any questions by claiming its an attack. For the record Mr De Icaza having an MVP matters not. It makes sense.Jan 12 01:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And sincerely Mr Icaza, the best of luck to you. Will it change anything for anyone else? No of course not. Why do you think it will?Jan 12 01:05
cubezzzschestowitz, you might find this interestingJan 12 01:05
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(videotex_service)Jan 12 01:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Mr De Icaza nobody will "distort" your award. You are an MVP now. "Faux open source" what, for questioning the MVP?Jan 12 01:09
_goblin_Mr De Icaza has tried the clever trick of trying to pre-empt any questions about the MVP.....Jan 12 01:10
ender2070oh I was derailed for a little bitJan 12 01:10
ender2070whats this about the MVPJan 12 01:10
_goblin_he doesn't seem to realise that it matters not....Jan 12 01:11
MinceRicaza took another step toward securing his coveted job at m$Jan 12 01:11
_goblin_nothings changed for everyone else...Jan 12 01:11
MinceRi think it does matterJan 12 01:11
_goblin_really?Jan 12 01:11
_goblin_only for his CVJan 12 01:11
MinceRit makes it more obvious that that clown is a m$ slaveJan 12 01:11
cubezzzit's sad mostlyJan 12 01:11
_goblin_but then you only had to look at his praise of MS tech to draw that conclusionJan 12 01:11
_goblin_it stands out like a sore thumb...,Jan 12 01:12
MinceRthe more m$ logos he gets branded on himself the more clearly visible it becomes that he's an enemyJan 12 01:12
cubezzzeither that or he's trying for the impossible: To become a FOSS Microsoft personJan 12 01:12
_goblin_he can claim faux all he wants, I am challenging his pro MS tech stance.Jan 12 01:12
_goblin_sort of like a Tony Blair in the FOSS/MS world?Jan 12 01:12
_goblin_good godJan 12 01:12
_goblin_I think that MS have pulled quite a good stroke here.Jan 12 01:13
_goblin_look at the issue MONO causes.....recently its all died down....Jan 12 01:13
MinceRi don't know blair's performance so well outside that he (used to?) lead a police state and that he happily violated laws to jump into a war started by the USAJan 12 01:13
_goblin_give Icaza a MVP and you can disrupt things again.Jan 12 01:13
_goblin_that could be a reason.Jan 12 01:14
MinceRi don't see how it would serve m$'s agendaJan 12 01:14
_goblin_Disruption, infighting, segregation ---- Having said that, Im not giving the lurkers here any ammo to suggest that either I care or Im bothered...Jan 12 01:15
MinceRi think his position and agenda is already clearJan 12 01:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FFII Warns About #ACTA -related Agreements (Policy Whitewash/Laundry) http://ur1.ca/jmdmJan 12 01:15
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MinceRso i don't expect a lot of drama coming from thisJan 12 01:16
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_goblin_Good luck to Mr De Icaza if he did get a job with Microsoft I think he would certainly make a better job of it than some.  On all the occassions Ive spoken with him, he seems polite.Jan 12 01:16
MinceRand that matters?Jan 12 01:16
cubezzzgo for the bucks! :)Jan 12 01:16
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_goblin_yeah....Jan 12 01:16
schestowitzMinceR: agreedJan 12 01:16
schestowitzNo newsJan 12 01:16
schestowitzIt was bigger when he got member of board positionJan 12 01:17
schestowitzDaemonFC has MS MVP tooJan 12 01:17
_goblin_If you are going to be stung by the scorpion it helps if he's polite about it.Jan 12 01:17
MinceRmember of board where? codeplex?Jan 12 01:17
schestowitz_goblin_: not alwaysJan 12 01:17
MinceRi don't plan on being stung by the scorpionJan 12 01:17
schestowitzIt's like the "I like Linux, but..."Jan 12 01:17
schestowitzAn effective saboteur needs to get inside without suspicionJan 12 01:18
_goblin_I think the new one is "You are killing FOSS...."Jan 12 01:18
schestowitz!google brian linux killing with kindnessJan 12 01:18
phIRCe-local[1] - YouTube - Tears For Fears - Killing With Kindness | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DtBCMUyhXbOgJan 12 01:18
phIRCe-local[2] - YouTube - Tears for Fears-Brian Wilson Said | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqFJ2gbNx0kgJan 12 01:18
phIRCe-local[3] - Brian's Profile - tribe.net | http://people.tribe.net/brianJan 12 01:18
phIRCe-local[4] - Red Hat makes the Qumranet SPICE protocol open source. A free ... | http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2009/12/10/red-hat-makes-the-qumranet-spice-protocol-open-source-a-free-alternative-to-ica-pcoip.aspxJan 12 01:18
cubezzzwell he hasn't managed thatJan 12 01:18
cubezzzpeople are suspiciousJan 12 01:18
MinceRi think icaza lost his chances at the 'without suspicion' partJan 12 01:18
schestowitzFor some he still manages to sootheJan 12 01:18
MinceRtoo much m$ and mono advertisingJan 12 01:18
schestowitzRemember we have many 'n00bs' Jan 12 01:19
MinceRindeed, but n00bs don't make that much of an impactJan 12 01:19
schestowitzPeople who are easily impressionable, even by Silver  Lie fansJan 12 01:19
schestowitzLow-hanging FUDJan 12 01:19
MinceRhm, maybe outsiders could be impressionedJan 12 01:19
MinceRfor outsiders, being polite is an advantage for m$, thus a disadvantage for usJan 12 01:20
MinceRit makes them look less of a joke than ballmer makes them seemJan 12 01:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Privacy Debate Blows up http://ur1.ca/jme4 http://ur1.ca/jme5 http://ur1.ca/jme6Jan 12 01:21
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_goblin_Just congratulated Mr De Icaza.....Jan 12 01:21
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ender2070_lolJan 12 01:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Wins the Right to Prevent Customers from Making Backups http://ur1.ca/jmesJan 12 01:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz ... and Microsoft products can carry a little iconic representation of a goatse.Jan 12 01:29
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schestowitz_goblin_: congratulate  Bill Hilf too thenJan 12 01:31
schestowitz_goblin_: it's not so hard to achieve this eitherJan 12 01:31
schestowitzYou just need to sell your ethics (soul) and promote a vicious company on par at evilness with monsantoJan 12 01:32
MinceR(testing) http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test1.html http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/tmp/test2.htmlJan 12 01:33
phIRCe-localTitle: A Winnie honlapja .::. Size~: 14.85 KBJan 12 01:33
phIRCe-localTitle: A Winnie honlapja .::. Size~: 14.85 KBJan 12 01:33
MinceRtitle still fails from my site :/Jan 12 01:33
trmanco<title> _ |_  |_  _.o </title>Jan 12 01:33
trmancoLOLJan 12 01:33
cubezzzyou can't prevent backups :)Jan 12 01:33
MinceRi was hoping for a little ascii artJan 12 01:34
trmancothe || are suppose to appearJan 12 01:34
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trmancothe other might be stripped outJan 12 01:34
trmancoothers*Jan 12 01:34
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MinceRi think robots.txt tells phIRCe-local to load / insteadJan 12 01:35
trmancoyeah it doesJan 12 01:35
trmancothat's what I was checkingJan 12 01:35
MinceRsadly, i can't control robots.txt thereJan 12 01:35
trmancohttp://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/Jan 12 01:35
phIRCe-localTitle: A Winnie honlapja .::. Size~: 14.85 KBJan 12 01:35
trmancolol :/Jan 12 01:35
MinceRi'll need to get my own webserver anywayJan 12 01:35
trmancoI don't think it's robot.txt, but the .htaccess fileJan 12 01:36
MinceR.htaccess would affect my web browser tooJan 12 01:36
MinceRunless they do useragent filteringJan 12 01:36
trmancoI guess they do that then :-PJan 12 01:37
trmancoyou gave me and ideaJan 12 01:37
trmancoan*Jan 12 01:37
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schestowitzcubezzz: what about Alex?Jan 12 01:38
yuhongA little off-topic, but::Jan 12 01:38
yuhonghttp://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/962Jan 12 01:38
phIRCe-localTitle: John Mackey Tarnishes Whole Foods' Rep Once Again, But This Time He's Relying on Stupidity, Not Libertarianism  | BuzzFlash.org .::. Size~: 41.97 KBJan 12 01:38
yuhongClue: Look at the words in the quote that was NOT highlighted.Jan 12 01:38
schestowitzyuhong: I have some more coming on MonsantoJan 12 01:39
schestowitzBut it's too OT for usJan 12 01:39
schestowitzI'm putting vids in daily LinksJan 12 01:39
*schestowitz does some blog postsJan 12 01:39
yuhongYep, Mercola has written a lot about the evils of that companies.Jan 12 01:40
_goblin_schestowitz: Before I go I think I need to say this.  The award received changes nothing.  For some it may reinforce a view that Mr Icaza is pro-MS, but whatever the truth, this award could play right into the hands of LinXXX et al.  People will look to use the award as proof that those with an argument against Mono are vindictive and wrong.  I say congratulate him and let the MVP speak for itself.  People can make their own mJan 12 01:40
_goblin_ind up.Jan 12 01:40
MinceRwell, it's easier for us to prove that icaza is furthering m$'s agendaJan 12 01:40
_goblin_but then the fact he has recieved an MVP could speak for itself then..... Don't be the one to push it (IMO)Jan 12 01:41
_goblin_this could be dangerous and an easy victory for those who want to cheapen the view that maybe there is something wrong with the detractors to Mono.Jan 12 01:41
yuhonghttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19718742/Jan 12 01:41
phIRCe-localTitle: Whole Foods CEO attacked rival online - U.S. business- msnbc.com .::. Size~: 52.77 KBJan 12 01:41
trmancohttp://trmanco.co.cc/test/ascii1.htmlJan 12 01:41
_goblin_Its what I'd do if I was fighting the MS corner.Jan 12 01:42
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 12 01:42
trmancololJan 12 01:42
yuhongTo be honest, Mackey has done some real bad things.Jan 12 01:42
trmancoit timed out :/Jan 12 01:42
yuhonghttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19718742/Jan 12 01:42
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 NotFound .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 12 01:42
trmancohttp://trmanco.co.cc/test/ascii1.htmlJan 12 01:43
schestowitzI can't denounce Miguel. I would only lead to stupid infighting that benefits Microsoft.Jan 12 01:43
trmanco:/Jan 12 01:43
schestowitzI guess I'll just point out the factJan 12 01:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 12 01:43
schestowitzPeople should not trust him, that's allJan 12 01:43
trmancowtfJan 12 01:43
MinceRschestowitz: it's not infighting if it's against icazaJan 12 01:43
MinceRschestowitz: icaza isn't 'in'Jan 12 01:43
_goblin_Please everyone just think about what I said.  If this was something I was fighting in court, I could destroy the counter to Mono.Jan 12 01:43
yuhongHere is another link:Jan 12 01:44
yuhonghttp://principledprofit.com/good-business-blog/whole-foods-john-mackeys-sneak-attack-on-rival-wild-oats/2007/07/13/Jan 12 01:44
phIRCe-localTitle:   Whole Foods John Mackeys Sneak Attack on Rival Wild Oats .::. Size~: 59.19 KBJan 12 01:44
yuhonghttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1343153Jan 12 01:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Regulators Eye Whole Foods CEO Postings - Democratic Underground .::. Size~: 31.73 KBJan 12 01:44
schestowitzyuhong: thanks!Jan 12 01:44
MinceRtrmanco: Server Not FoundJan 12 01:44
trmancoI can find it :/Jan 12 01:45
_goblin_anyway, good night all....Jan 12 01:45
MinceRDNS issue?Jan 12 01:45
MinceRor routing issue?Jan 12 01:45
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*MinceR investigatesJan 12 01:45
yuhongAt least the regulators caught this one.Jan 12 01:45
trmancololJan 12 01:45
MinceRlooks like a DNS issueJan 12 01:45
trmancothere goes my ascii experimentJan 12 01:45
*MinceR tries it across CoralCDNJan 12 01:46
MinceRs/across/through/Jan 12 01:46
MinceRworks that wayJan 12 01:46
yuhonghttp://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/12/business/12foods.htmlJan 12 01:46
MinceRhttp://trmanco.co.cc.nyud.net/test/ascii1.htmlJan 12 01:46
phIRCe-localTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.53 KBJan 12 01:46
phIRCe-localTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 12 01:46
MinceRdoesn't like the url anywayJan 12 01:46
trmanconyud?Jan 12 01:46
ender2070_http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=561Jan 12 01:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Pwnage.ca » Alternate Time-lines .::. Size~: 31.84 KBJan 12 01:47
MinceRthe CoralCDN domain for cache accessJan 12 01:47
MinceRi don't know why it's nyudJan 12 01:47
trmancohmmJan 12 01:47
trmancoanyway, my experiment won't work, because it strips the whitespace :/Jan 12 01:48
MinceRi thought it doesn'tJan 12 01:49
MinceR(see inquirer titles)Jan 12 01:49
trmancothose are strange titleJan 12 01:49
trmancosee the youtube ones or the guardian onesJan 12 01:49
trmancotitles*Jan 12 01:49
ender2070_I have to go, I hope you guys enjoy that :DJan 12 01:50
ender2070_library is closingJan 12 01:50
ender2070_laterJan 12 01:50
trmancolaterJan 12 01:50
trmancohttp://www.theinquirer.net/Jan 12 01:50
phIRCe-localTitle:             THE INQUIRER - Microprocessor, Server, Memory, PCS, Graphics, Networking, Storage                     .::. Size~: 55.4 KBJan 12 01:50
trmancoLOLJan 12 01:50
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yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/ooxml-depending-on-country/Jan 12 01:51
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft OOXML Gets Fragmented Based on Geography | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.63 KBJan 12 01:51
trmancois there some tool to show me the invisible chars from some pasted text?Jan 12 01:51
yuhong Microsoft *OOXML* Gets FragmentedJan 12 01:51
MinceRgvim, i guessJan 12 01:52
yuhongReally?Jan 12 01:52
MinceRiirc there was a command to show the codes of the character under the cursorJan 12 01:52
MinceRalso, if you can paste into KHexEdit or Okteta...Jan 12 01:52
schestowitztessier: there's caching still on wp-admin*Jan 12 01:52
trmancocoolJan 12 01:52
trmancodidn't know about oktetaJan 12 01:52
yuhongI'd say some thing like "Microsoft Office Gets Fragmented Thanks to Software Patents"Jan 12 01:53
yuhongThis is not new, BTW.Jan 12 01:54
yuhongRemember the difference between 40-bit vs 128-bit encryption in browsers.Jan 12 01:54
yuhongRemember the difference between 40-bit vs 128-bit encryption in browsers?Jan 12 01:54
MinceRis ooxml not covered by "xml functionality"?Jan 12 01:54
yuhongThanks to US export rules.Jan 12 01:55
MinceRdoes m$ not claim that ooxml is a "standard"?Jan 12 01:55
yuhongYesJan 12 01:55
trmancoMinceR: it's 0x20Jan 12 01:55
MinceRtrmanco: plain old space, then :)Jan 12 01:55
yuhongThe difference is that a feature of it is disabled.Jan 12 01:55
trmancoI don't get it why it won't stripe it out :/Jan 12 01:55
trmancostrip*Jan 12 01:55
MinceRtrmanco: look at the html source, maybe there's some crud thereJan 12 01:56
MinceRor it's doctype-dependent or somethingJan 12 01:56
MinceR(depending on parser internals or something)Jan 12 01:56
MinceRcould even be due to xhtml vs. htmlJan 12 01:56
yuhongThis patent only covered a specific feature of OOXML.Jan 12 01:56
tessierschestowitz: Try nowJan 12 01:57
MinceRyuhong: a specific feature of ooxml is part of ooxmlJan 12 01:57
trmancowhat is 0xOAJan 12 01:57
MinceRline feedJan 12 01:57
yuhongYes.Jan 12 01:57
trmancothen it has to be thatJan 12 01:57
trmancowhat ever it isJan 12 01:57
trmancolet me strip it outJan 12 01:57
MinceRyuhong: also, note that "standards" are generally required to be unencumbered by patents.Jan 12 01:58
yuhongYep.Jan 12 01:59
MinceRthis only goes to prove that ooxml is extremely shoddy.Jan 12 01:59
yuhongYep, I know.Jan 12 01:59
MinceR(just like everything ever comes out of m$)Jan 12 01:59
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yuhongYea, I still remember reading about why 802.11n took so long to make it through to final standard, and it was exactly that.Jan 12 02:01
yuhonghttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/21/802_11n_patent_threat/Jan 12 02:03
phIRCe-localTitle: Next generation Wi-Fi mired in patent fears • The Register .::. Size~: 28.88 KBJan 12 02:03
DaemonFCMinceR: Not everything, just mostJan 12 02:06
MinceRwell, maybe a few things they didn't actually develop, only relicenseJan 12 02:06
MinceRone or two fontsJan 12 02:06
DaemonFCthey have actually had some things standardized that ended up benefiting everyoneJan 12 02:06
DaemonFCnot often, but it has happenedJan 12 02:06
DaemonFCOOXML is definitely not one of those things though :)Jan 12 02:07
MinceRwhat did they "standardize"?Jan 12 02:07
MinceRcomputers being unreliable? :>Jan 12 02:07
DaemonFCthey've submitted some of their extensions to javascript and such for standardizationJan 12 02:07
MinceRso they made some of the features in their shoddy browser supported by others. big deal.Jan 12 02:08
yuhongIn fact XMLHTTPRequest was created by MS that was turned into a de facto standard by Mozilla implementing it that turned out not to be too bad.Jan 12 02:08
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MinceRwhich is mostly misusedJan 12 02:08
MinceRjust like most web technologiesJan 12 02:09
yuhongYes, but the standard itself was not too bad.Jan 12 02:09
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MinceRso is that all you have to show for them?Jan 12 02:10
yuhongNo, I am just giving it as an example.Jan 12 02:12
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yuhongOn the other hand, some of the other ones, like FAT LFN, turned out to be dangerous.Jan 12 02:14
yuhongThis one was subject to the TomTom lawsuit.Jan 12 02:14
yuhongAnd now MS is trying to patent and push exFAT.Jan 12 02:14
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MinceRactually the XMLHTTPRequest story isn't that simple :>Jan 12 02:18
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHTTPRequestJan 12 02:18
phIRCe-localTitle: XMLHttpRequest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 94.49 KBJan 12 02:18
cubezzzdid Microsoft standardize anything used in Linux?Jan 12 02:19
cubezzzi don't think tcp/ip or html or java was invented by MicrosoftJan 12 02:20
MinceRi suspect that some m$ slaves/fanboys think so though :>Jan 12 02:21
cubezzzthey didn't invent anything I can think of beyond stuff for themselvesJan 12 02:21
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cubezzzTim Berners-Lee invented htmlJan 12 02:23
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cubezzzjava from Sun obviously,  xml was from W3CJan 12 02:25
cubezzzso it wouldn't be a stretch to say we don't need Microsoft for anythingJan 12 02:26
cubezzzwe don't use their keyboard bios, we don't use rom BASICJan 12 02:27
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MinceRXMLHTTPRequest was nothing more than a RadioActiveX interface some people used from IE until Mozilla implemented it in their DOMJan 12 02:31
MinceRwell, we use a ton of standards, so they're difficult to enumerate, but m$ isn't exactly an innovative company or one that creates usable specifications for othersJan 12 02:32
MinceRobviously they didn't create POSIXJan 12 02:32
cubezzzright, that is my pointJan 12 02:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Miguel de Icaza Groomed by #Microsoft with #MVP Award http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/mono-for-breakfast/Jan 12 02:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Miguel de Icaza Groomed by Microsoft with MVP Award | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.96 KBJan 12 02:33
cubezzzthey are more of a blight on the computing landscape and anything elseJan 12 02:34
cubezzzand=thanJan 12 02:34
DaemonFCWhy in the hell did my coffee maker just give me a pot of lukewarm water?Jan 12 02:34
cubezzzmost coffee makers are crappyJan 12 02:35
DaemonFCYeah, they seem to last about a year no matter what I buyJan 12 02:35
cubezzzget what Subway usesJan 12 02:35
cubezzza tad expensive but very goodJan 12 02:35
DaemonFCthis one is a Proctor Silex BrewstationJan 12 02:35
cubezzzooooooJan 12 02:36
DaemonFCI think it cost like $35Jan 12 02:36
cubezzz;-)Jan 12 02:36
DaemonFCcubezzz: Nothing quite as refreshing as a nice wam cup of water which tastes faintly of coffeeJan 12 02:36
DaemonFC:)Jan 12 02:36
cubezzzI can get that from a vending machineJan 12 02:37
MinceR032541 < cubezzz> so it wouldn't be a stretch to say we don't need Microsoft for anythingJan 12 02:37
cubezzzlike, if I want crapJan 12 02:37
MinceRwe certainly don't need them for anything they didn't force on usJan 12 02:37
DaemonFChmmm, I may have to go down to the Huggy Bear here if this coffee pot still won't workJan 12 02:37
MinceRand get a bear hug?Jan 12 02:38
DaemonFCMinceR: name of the convenience storeJan 12 02:38
MinceR"would you like a takedown with that?"Jan 12 02:38
DaemonFCit's morphed into a deli, a discount tobacco shop, and several other things tooJan 12 02:38
cubezzzthere's convenience store close by here called "Munchies and Smokes"Jan 12 02:38
DaemonFCvery busy no matter when you go inJan 12 02:38
DaemonFCfor some reason their day old coffee still tastes pretty goodJan 12 02:39
DaemonFChaven't figured it outJan 12 02:39
cubezzzdoes it have bars on the windows? :)Jan 12 02:39
MinceRgnJan 12 02:39
DaemonFCcubezzz: NoJan 12 02:39
cubezzzlaterJan 12 02:39
DaemonFCI go there for dinner quite often tooJan 12 02:40
cubezzzhttp://www.the-best-coffee-maker.com/Jan 12 02:40
phIRCe-localTitle: The Best Coffee Maker | Consumer reviews of the latest coffee makers .::. Size~: 13.71 KBJan 12 02:40
DaemonFCprobably more than I shouldJan 12 02:40
DaemonFCfried fish, mashed potatoes and gravy, green beansJan 12 02:41
cubezzzdoesn't sound very healthyJan 12 02:42
DaemonFCor sometimes instead of the mashed potatoes, I'll get potato wedgesJan 12 02:42
cubezzzexept for the bean part :)Jan 12 02:42
DaemonFCyeah, but it sure tastes goodJan 12 02:42
DaemonFCfried chicken sandwich with ketchup, mustard, onion, pickle, tomato, lettuce, and mayo with potato wedges is my other favoriteJan 12 02:43
DaemonFClots of salt on the potato wedgesJan 12 02:43
DaemonFCjust kill them with saltJan 12 02:43
DaemonFCre-enact Psycho with salt packetsJan 12 02:43
DaemonFCthats meJan 12 02:43
cubezzztoo little salt is bad, but too much is also badJan 12 02:44
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DaemonFCcubezzz: My family has always ate like this (or worse), were alcoholics, smoked, etc.Jan 12 02:45
cubezzzhmmmJan 12 02:45
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DaemonFCand my grandfather lived to be 86Jan 12 02:45
DaemonFCand my grandmother was 83Jan 12 02:45
cubezzzwell, some people live over 100Jan 12 02:45
DaemonFCon mom's side, the grandfather that lived his whole life right, didn't smoke or drink or any of thatJan 12 02:45
DaemonFCdead at 73Jan 12 02:46
DaemonFCI'm sure that there's vegans who get hit by a bus aged 30Jan 12 02:46
DaemonFCnot enough, but it happensJan 12 02:47
cubezzzAn overload of sodium (salt or sodium chloride) may cause a potassium deficiency as the sodium will be absorbed preferentially at the expense of potassium as sodium and potassium interact and are both alkali metals.Jan 12 02:47
DaemonFCyeah, potatoes have potassiumJan 12 02:47
DaemonFCso that's a self-canceling problem right?Jan 12 02:47
cubezzzI'm not sureJan 12 02:48
DaemonFCI just don't believe in this low sodium bullshitJan 12 02:48
DaemonFCat least not for blood pressureJan 12 02:48
cubezzzDoctors have told me there's enough salt added to things than you really don't need to add any additional salt to foodJan 12 02:49
DaemonFCit doesn't have any effect on mineJan 12 02:49
DaemonFCI'm on blood pressure pills, and my doctor told me t owatch my salt for a while to try to control it that wayJan 12 02:50
DaemonFCmade no differenceJan 12 02:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FBI / #Facebook Wants to Know Your ‘Friends’ http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/facebook-privacy/Jan 12 02:51
DaemonFCthat's why I think the government just needs to quit telling me what I can fry things in and how much salt I can useJan 12 02:51
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DaemonFCif someone wants to eat junk food, let themJan 12 02:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] City of #Orlando — Like Los Angeles — is Dumping #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/orlando-from-microsoft-to-google/Jan 12 03:16
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cubezzzI think the trend is clear: A movement has started to pull away from MicrosoftJan 12 03:23
cubezzzit should have happened a long time agoJan 12 03:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FFII : #EU 'Trade' Agreement an Attack on #FreeSoftware Developers http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/ffii-on-eu-trade-agreement/Jan 12 03:30
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DaemonFCcubezzz: I guess my biggest gripe is how everyone acts like you can't be a healthy weight eating normal stuffJan 12 03:33
DaemonFCmy diet is awful and I've lost 40 pounds over the last couple of monthsJan 12 03:34
cubezzzI try to concentrate on just being healthyJan 12 03:36
DaemonFCcubezzz: There's a reason why poor people are usually fat you knowJan 12 03:36
DaemonFCthe diet that gets you fat is usually the least expensiveJan 12 03:36
cubezzzyesJan 12 03:37
cubezzzit's nutrients that countJan 12 03:37
DaemonFCevery time I see one of those things on TV tellin gyou what to eat, what to avoid, I get the idea that my grocery bill would be $400 a month if I did thatJan 12 03:37
DaemonFCgrease, white flour, and sugar are the cheapest things to use as a baseJan 12 03:38
cubezzzI'd say you could eat on $200 per month if you cooked all your mealsJan 12 03:39
cubezzzalthough perhaps grocery prices are higher where you areJan 12 03:42
DaemonFCcubezzz: I don't ever cookJan 12 03:42
DaemonFCyou just really can't on that many things when you live aloneJan 12 03:43
DaemonFCyou always get things that are going badJan 12 03:44
cubezzzyes cooking for one is harderJan 12 03:44
cubezzzyou could concentrate on canned fruit, frozen vegetables and special containers for fresh stuffJan 12 03:46
cubezzzthere's a special container for salad that is supposed to make it last longerJan 12 03:47
cubezzzpasta and rice are easy to store long termJan 12 03:47
DaemonFCyeah, I just buy it frozen, in a can, or in a to go boxJan 12 03:51
DaemonFCmaybe I'm just too lazy :PJan 12 03:51
DaemonFCPizza Hut has good take out saladsJan 12 03:52
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DaemonFCthey might not be that healthy when I'm done thoughJan 12 03:52
DaemonFCcubezzz: I've noticed an interesting thing about Windows ServerJan 12 04:12
DaemonFCyou have to explicitly opt into the spyware, like "Customer Experience Improvement Program"Jan 12 04:13
DaemonFCWindows 7 just pesters the user and tries to trick them into thinking they have toJan 12 04:13
DaemonFCbusinesses don't like being railroaded into agreeing to be spied on I guessJan 12 04:14
DaemonFChttp://www.microsoft.com/products/ceip/EN-US/default.mspxJan 12 04:15
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DaemonFC"Is the Customer Experience Improvement Program spyware?Jan 12 04:16
DaemonFCNo. Spyware can collect information or act on your computer without your full knowledge or consent. CEIP does not take actions other than those described in the Customer Experience Improvement Program Privacy Policy."Jan 12 04:16
DaemonFCnotice they don't mention how hard they make it to say no and it doesn't offer you an easy way to pull up that policyJan 12 04:16
DaemonFCI'd say it borders on being spyware at the leastJan 12 04:17
schestowitz[01:57] <tessier> schestowitz: Try nowJan 12 04:18
schestowitzThanks, I'll try itJan 12 04:18
DaemonFCeven if it doesn't send personally identifiable information, it sends a lot of stuff that would be useful to advertisers in bulkJan 12 04:18
DaemonFClike as statistical demographic informationJan 12 04:18
schestowitzIt's just that I 'lost' 3 posts that way... could easily recover them from preview, but still a bit scaryJan 12 04:19
DaemonFCschestowitz: Are there any connections between Microsoft and the Bilderburg Group?Jan 12 04:20
DaemonFCI'm watching this Jesse Ventura conspiracy theories show, he's talking about BilderburgJan 12 04:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, severalJan 12 04:21
schestowitzSearch BNJan 12 04:21
schestowitzBTW, I'm doing a very long post re Vista 7 at the momentJan 12 04:21
schestowitzThousand words, I thinkJan 12 04:21
DaemonFCyou might mention how much more insistent Windows 7 is than Windows Server that you sign up for all their privacy violating crapJan 12 04:22
DaemonFCWindows 7 is set to pester you about CEIP every 2 weeks until you sign up for it, and it greys out the "No" box just like Vista did.Jan 12 04:22
DaemonFCschestowitz: I think Microsoft is hoping that you either give up and say yes to make it go away, that it pops up while someone that doesn't understand it is using the computer, or that your children click yes to make it leave the screenJan 12 04:24
cubezzzhehJan 12 04:25
cubezzzyeah, like I needed more reasons to not use Microsoft Jan 12 04:25
cubezzzI'm convinced, I'm convinced :)Jan 12 04:26
DaemonFCthey could just turn it on and shove it onto page 57 of the Windows EULA that you agree to itJan 12 04:26
DaemonFCsomeone might notice though, and bring about a scandal Jan 12 04:26
DaemonFCcubezzz: Someone on Coding Horror once pointed out how much of a drag on your system it is to use an antivirus program and/or Windows DefenderJan 12 04:28
DaemonFCNorton was the worst out of all of themJan 12 04:28
cubezzzI believe itJan 12 04:28
DaemonFCoh, it was just unbelievableJan 12 04:28
cubezzzon Linux we have slocateJan 12 04:29
DaemonFChttp://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000803.htmlJan 12 04:29
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cubezzzwhich is kind of a pain tooJan 12 04:29
cubezzzbut I've set it to run when I'm sleeping so it's not a big dealJan 12 04:29
cubezzzit usually chews up 20 minutesJan 12 04:30
DaemonFCNorton slows down your boot time by 45%, slows your CPU by 8%, and your hard disk reads and writes by 1515%Jan 12 04:30
DaemonFCthat's pretty bad, but Windows Defender slows boot down by 5%, CPU by 8%, and disk access by 54%Jan 12 04:30
DaemonFCso both of them would be running side by sideJan 12 04:31
DaemonFCthat's why most Windows PCs are so slowJan 12 04:31
DaemonFCthey cripple your PC worse than most malwareJan 12 04:31
DaemonFCin fact, I'd say that I've had more problems out of antivirus programs than I've ever had out of malwareJan 12 04:32
cubezzzimagine if you were running two virus scanners at the same time :)Jan 12 04:32
DaemonFCAvast is TEN TIMES less of a drag than NortonJan 12 04:33
cubezzzyeah some of my customers use AvastJan 12 04:33
DaemonFCgives you an idea how bad Norton isJan 12 04:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: I include your bit about your bortherJan 12 04:33
schestowitz*SParkJan 12 04:33
cubezzzI think Norton basically sucksJan 12 04:35
DaemonFCI agree with the French government's mandate to its agencies, to reduce their dependence on software they can't audit and support themselves as much as they canJan 12 04:35
cubezzzpretty much all proprietary software sucks, excepting tax softwareJan 12 04:35
DaemonFCit's braindead stupid for the French government to rely on any more Microsoft software than they have toJan 12 04:35
DaemonFCcreates a logistical nightmare, ande security hazards, and they're sending their taxpayer money out of FranceJan 12 04:36
cubezzzaren't they pulling away from Microsoft too?Jan 12 04:36
DaemonFCyeah, a piece at a timeJan 12 04:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #Vista7 Failures and #Microsoft Dumping http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/vista-7-microsoft-education/Jan 12 04:46
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schestowitz[04:35] <cubezzz> pretty much all proprietary software sucks, excepting tax softwareJan 12 04:47
schestowitzFS devs make software for good reasonsJan 12 04:47
schestowitzSo no SAP replacementJan 12 04:48
schestowitzNo tax softwareJan 12 04:48
schestowitzNo DRMJan 12 04:48
schestowitzWe leave the drek to Microsoft and Apple :-pJan 12 04:48
schestowitzFS is often about the betterment of something while challenging one's skilsetJan 12 04:48
DaemonFCthis woman said that there's an ingredient in only some of the swine flu vaccines that sterilize peopleJan 12 04:50
DaemonFCas part of a Bilderburg plot to reduce the populationJan 12 04:50
DaemonFCmeh, as long as it doesn't actually kill anyone, I'm OK with thatJan 12 04:51
DaemonFCI took some of the earlier batch that was really meant more for children thoughJan 12 04:51
DaemonFCso were it true, I might already be sterileJan 12 04:51
DaemonFCnot that I careJan 12 04:52
DaemonFClike, most people out there shouldn't be reproducing anywayJan 12 04:52
DaemonFCso it's hard for me to say this is a crimeJan 12 04:52
DaemonFCdoes remind me of that episode of Stargate SG-1 named "2010" where the Aschen Confederation slipped everyone sterility drugs in a life-prolonging drugJan 12 04:54
DaemonFCthe point being to wipe out most of Earth's population so they could colonize here and turn the rest of us into slavesJan 12 04:54
cubezzzschestowitz, I did my taxes in my browser for the last few yearsJan 12 04:55
cubezzzno problemsJan 12 04:55
cubezzzone good thing about middlewareJan 12 04:55
schestowitzhttp://kara.allthingsd.com/20100111/yahoo-will-announce-zimbra-sale-to-vmware-tomorrow-as-it-looks-over-bids-for-small-biz-unit/Jan 12 04:56
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cubezzzbasically taxes are good, as long as they are used properlyJan 12 04:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: I heard this before but saw no evidenceJan 12 04:57
schestowitzSounds like fabricated by all means, unless they provide proofJan 12 04:57
schestowitzhttp://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20100108/NEWS04/1080335/1003/NEWS02Jan 12 04:58
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schestowitzWow. This is curous: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/google_islam_suggest/Jan 12 05:01
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schestowitzIs Google censoring "Suggest"?Jan 12 05:01
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/newly-released-nixon-papers-reveal-obsession-kennedy-hatred-art/Jan 12 05:02
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/7641690783Jan 12 05:04
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schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/332096/microsoft_site_crash_leaves_business_customers_limbo?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Jan 12 05:06
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Walmart is no longer having ads for XBOX 360 on TVJan 12 05:06
DaemonFCthey've switched to pushing WiiJan 12 05:06
DaemonFCheavilyJan 12 05:06
DaemonFCthey also took away half of the XBOX 360 $19.99 gamesJan 12 05:09
DaemonFCgave it to Wii and Playstation 2/3Jan 12 05:09
DaemonFCWalmart is de-emphasizing and taking shelf space from the 360, this should be a red flag that the 360 is cookedJan 12 05:09
DaemonFCWalmart sees less value in selling 360 and accessories than PS3 or WiiJan 12 05:10
DaemonFCthey've also moved XBOX 360 accessories to the very back, reduced their shelf space, and gave the position and extra space to WiiJan 12 05:10
DaemonFCWii accessories are selling so fast they can barely keep them on the shelfJan 12 05:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] China-India collaboration on computer-making http://ur1.ca/jms6Jan 12 05:11
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I think Walmart knows what's coming. The announcement that there won't be another XBOX. That is the vibe I get from this.Jan 12 05:12
DaemonFCMicrosoft won't officially talk about it until they clear their current stock and finish buying all the new consoles they're committed toJan 12 05:13
DaemonFCto announce it right now would destroy all remaining demand and leave them deeply discounting the millions they have leftJan 12 05:13
DaemonFCI'd also guess that XBOX Live will shut down within a year after Microsoft announces that the 360 is the last XBOXJan 12 05:14
DaemonFCI believe that this will happen before the end of this yearJan 12 05:16
DaemonFChttp://www.talkxbox.com/article3578.htmlJan 12 05:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Faulty Merchandise History Helps Police Recover Stolen Xbox 360 - News at TalkXbox .::. Size~: 11.45 KBJan 12 05:17
DaemonFClulzJan 12 05:17
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/186644/aol_begins_layoffs_1200_to_1400_staffers_to_go.html?tk=rss_newsJan 12 05:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Aol Begins Layoffs; 1,200 to 1,400 Staffers to Go - PC World .::. Size~: 63.45 KBJan 12 05:17
schestowitz"Recession" must be over.....Jan 12 05:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: AOL layoffs have been like this for at least 7 years nowJan 12 05:18
DaemonFCI'm still waiting for AOL 20.0 Optimized with free McAfeeJan 12 05:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: thanks for the infoJan 12 05:19
DaemonFCschestowitz: Lindows/Linspire had an AOL dialer included, licenses from AOLJan 12 05:20
DaemonFCit made me lolJan 12 05:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] me too !! RT @gkjohn: I want to be at #wikiwars! Must get there soon. Perhaps after lunch...Jan 12 05:20
DaemonFCThey're not even offering severance anymore, schestowitzJan 12 05:21
DaemonFC"Get out or we'll pick who gets fired"Jan 12 05:21
DaemonFCschestowitz: I am glad for one thing about AOL, them spinning off the Mozilla Foundation with a $3 million checkJan 12 05:22
DaemonFCthat was probably the one cool thing they didJan 12 05:23
DaemonFCthey totally fucked Winamp overJan 12 05:23
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/use-orca-to-monitor-system-performance/ Jan 12 05:24
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schestowitzUse Orca to monitor system performanceJan 12 05:24
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/use-orca-to-monitor-system-performance/Jan 12 05:24
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DaemonFCWinamp and its plug-ins have gotten so dependent on the 32-bit Windows API that they can't even make a 64-bit Windows version! Much less port it to Mac or Linux.Jan 12 05:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: when they they get involved with the llama?Jan 12 05:24
DaemonFC1999 I believeJan 12 05:24
schestowitzMaybe they are necrophilesJan 12 05:25
schestowitzThey pick up companies to die withJan 12 05:25
DaemonFCWinamp has pretty much been left to rot, schestowitz It's been at least 6 years since it got a major new featureJan 12 05:25
DaemonFCevery release fixes a bug or two and maybe adds something minorJan 12 05:25
DaemonFCthey don't have the staff for a major overhaul, they can't open source it because of all the NDA's they've signed and all the plug-ins they've licensedJan 12 05:26
DaemonFCWinamp is basically an animated corpseJan 12 05:27
DaemonFCit'd be nice if before AOL goes under, they open source the bits of Winamp that they actually ownJan 12 05:28
DaemonFCI'm sure that someone would come in and fill in the piecesJan 12 05:28
DaemonFCI've been told that when you buy the Pro version, you're just paying imaginary property licenses to the guys that license out MP3, AAC, and the Sonic ripping runtimeJan 12 05:29
DaemonFCWinamp doesn't actually make any money off thatJan 12 05:30
DaemonFCschestowitz: I also discovered something pretty horrific, schestowitzJan 12 05:30
DaemonFCWinamp lets you tag your files with Greacenote, who slaps in a GUID into all your tagsJan 12 05:30
schestowitzI remember downloading winamp from oldversion.comJan 12 05:31
DaemonFCI used Foobar 2000 to batch remove those Gracenote GUID tagsJan 12 05:31
schestowitzWinamp was becoming too bloatedJan 12 05:31
cubezzzmplayer ftwJan 12 05:31
cubezzzwhy bother with winanything?Jan 12 05:31
DaemonFCI don't know why they would need to GUID all my Vorbis filesJan 12 05:31
schestowitzcubezzz: amarok for meJan 12 05:32
DaemonFCseems suspiciously similar to iTunes bugging all your downloadsJan 12 05:32
schestowitzSince 2007 or soJan 12 05:32
schestowitzI was on xmms for AGESJan 12 05:32
schestowitzlow RAMJan 12 05:32
cubezzzwhatever worksJan 12 05:32
schestowitzgastremerJan 12 05:32
schestowitz*gstreamerJan 12 05:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: AOL's settlement with Microsoft said Microsoft paid them like $7 million in cash and AOL embedded IE in everything for 5 yearsJan 12 05:33
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I think i am now sitting near heavy padips (mental nuts) who doesn't even care to smile :(Jan 12 05:33
DaemonFCthe only AOL software that ever ended up using Gecko was the Mac version and a few beta releases on Windows that ended with that settlementJan 12 05:34
cubezzzgoing to write an article about command line apps soonJan 12 05:35
DaemonFCthe death of AOL means the end of a few (obscure) IE masksJan 12 05:35
DaemonFCso much the betterJan 12 05:35
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/TIOBE-language-index-Google-s-Go-is-the-biggest-climber-900906.htmlJan 12 05:36
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schestowitzGo-mono? :-)Jan 12 05:36
cubezzzThe H?Jan 12 05:37
cubezzzusually "The H" means something bad :)Jan 12 05:37
DaemonFCschestowitz: by July or August, IE will be under 50% at leastJan 12 05:38
DaemonFCthere's something to look for ward toJan 12 05:38
DaemonFC*forwardJan 12 05:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It is interesting that Google has a programming language called Go and Novell promotes Microsoft with "Go-Mono"Jan 12 05:39
DaemonFCWhen working on someone's computer, I usually bag IE and replace it with Firefox including Adblock PlusJan 12 05:40
DaemonFCusually they don't even complain that IE is missingJan 12 05:40
cubezzzIE just isn't the most appealing browserJan 12 05:43
DaemonFCcubezzz: It's still suffering from the 5 years where they didn't even work on it at allJan 12 05:44
DaemonFCin the mean time, other browsers were being actively developedJan 12 05:44
DaemonFCpretty damned funny that Bill Gates just totally dismissed Firefox during those yearsJan 12 05:45
DaemonFCeven as it was starting to eat Internet Explorer aliveJan 12 05:45
DaemonFCnow other browsers account for about 45% of the market and IE is just trying to copy FirefoxJan 12 05:46
cubezzzGates is out of the picture nowJan 12 05:46
DaemonFCyou can't ever catch up if all you do is copyJan 12 05:46
cubezzzbesides, he doesn't do the real workJan 12 05:46
DaemonFCI don't know, Altair Basic was pretty lean and meanJan 12 05:47
cubezzzstolenJan 12 05:47
DaemonFCprobably the only thing Microsoft ever did that was Jan 12 05:47
cubezzzfrom the dumpsterJan 12 05:47
cubezzzand developed using stolen computer timeJan 12 05:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: Windows and Office too.... 5 years no developmen.Jan 12 05:48
DaemonFCstolen computer timeJan 12 05:48
cubezzzyesJan 12 05:48
DaemonFCyou sound like those assholes saying "stolen music"Jan 12 05:48
cubezzzto write the 8080 emulatorJan 12 05:48
schestowitz[05:46] <cubezzz> Gates is out of the picture nowJan 12 05:48
schestowitzHaha.Jan 12 05:48
schestowitzNo.Jan 12 05:48
DaemonFCNo, Gates is behind the scenes, instructing Darth BallmerJan 12 05:48
DaemonFC:)Jan 12 05:48
schestowitz[05:48] <DaemonFC> you sound like those assholes saying "stolen music"Jan 12 05:49
cubezzzwell, it's documented Gates and 3 others used hacks to get inordinate amounts of computer timeJan 12 05:49
schestowitz"Pirated"?Jan 12 05:49
schestowitzCan pirated be used as an adjective?Jan 12 05:49
cubezzzwell what do you call computer time you didn't pay for?Jan 12 05:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: They say "pirated" more often, but they also call it theft or stealingJan 12 05:49
DaemonFCyou can steal a bicycleJan 12 05:49
schestowitzPiratificationJan 12 05:49
DaemonFCyou can steal a carJan 12 05:49
schestowitzPiratismJan 12 05:50
DaemonFCyou cannot steal an MP3Jan 12 05:50
cubezzzI'm not even talking about mp3Jan 12 05:50
DaemonFCyou can copy an mp3 without a license, it's not theft thoughJan 12 05:50
cubezzzif I hacked into Rogers to get free cable what would you call me?Jan 12 05:50
DaemonFCtheft is a crime, unlicensed copies are a civil suitJan 12 05:51
DaemonFCselling copies is a crime thoughJan 12 05:51
DaemonFCbut not just taking one for personal useJan 12 05:51
*schestowitz steals DaemonFC's thunderJan 12 05:51
cubezzz"One of these systems was a PDP-10 belonging to Computer Center Corporation (CCC), which banned four Lakeside students—Gates, Paul Allen, Ric Weiland, and Kent Evans—for the summer after it caught them exploiting bugs in the operating system to obtain free computer time."Jan 12 05:51
DaemonFCschestowitz: There was a guy in Fort Wayne a few months ago that was selling "bootleg CDs"Jan 12 05:52
DaemonFCthe cops arrested himJan 12 05:52
DaemonFCtook his computer as evidenceJan 12 05:52
DaemonFCthey couldn't do that if he just had unlicensed copies for personal useJan 12 05:52
schestowitzThey should tka just the hard driveJan 12 05:52
DaemonFCthe record company could sue himJan 12 05:52
schestowitzPlastic companiesJan 12 05:53
schestowitzWeid business they have there.Jan 12 05:53
cubezzzthey could make an argument for counterfeitingJan 12 05:53
DaemonFCI don't use the word "piracy", I usually just say unlicensed copyJan 12 05:53
DaemonFCcause that's what it isJan 12 05:53
cubezzzok, but if I steal computer time.... I'm not using an "unlicensed copy"Jan 12 05:54
cubezzzit doesn't make any senseJan 12 05:54
DaemonFCMicrosoft and the MAFIAA want to blur criminal law with civil lawJan 12 05:54
cubezzzanywaysJan 12 05:54
DaemonFCdon't want you to know they are different thingsJan 12 05:54
cubezzzjust pointing out the hypocrisy Jan 12 05:54
cubezzzpeople need to know that Gates got ahead using dirty tricksJan 12 05:55
DaemonFCThey want to make it sound like me downloading Metallica MP3s would be a big federal felony or somethingJan 12 05:55
DaemonFCmakes it more dramaticJan 12 05:55
DaemonFCthey don't want you to know that even if you lose their lawsuit, you can file bankruptcyJan 12 05:56
cubezzzmusicians make money from concertsJan 12 05:56
DaemonFCand that's the end of itJan 12 05:56
cubezzzor t-shirt dealsJan 12 05:56
DaemonFCno prison, no probationJan 12 05:56
DaemonFCfile bankruptcy and it's doneJan 12 05:56
cubezzzI buy music cards btwJan 12 05:56
DaemonFCIt's why I would refuse to sign any settlement with them and just let the jury do whatever they were going to do with meJan 12 05:56
DaemonFCI'd immediately file bankruptcy after thatJan 12 05:57
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20090202001655344Jan 12 05:57
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schestowitzgnJan 12 06:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vinaysreenivasa: interesting article exploring protests in india - Anatomy of protest http://bit.ly/7QJGHUJan 12 06:33
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cubezzzok new article:Jan 12 06:51
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/blog/linux-blog.htmlJan 12 06:51
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DaemonFCcubezzz: Get thisJan 12 07:29
DaemonFCCD burner needs elevated to see the drive on Windows ServerJan 12 07:29
DaemonFCMicrosoft includes CD burner softwareJan 12 07:29
DaemonFCdoesn't set it to ask for elevationJan 12 07:29
DaemonFCit can't see your drivesJan 12 07:29
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DaemonFCgahJan 12 08:12
DaemonFCof all the stupid things to deny user access toJan 12 08:12
DaemonFC"I got hacked and they burned a CD!"Jan 12 08:12
DaemonFCthe horror!Jan 12 08:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Joseph Stiglitz on patents, patent thickets, patent monopolies, patents as a tax, and so on: http://i5.be/ahFJan 12 08:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I earned the Addon Adhesive sticker on #GetGlue! http://bit.ly/8cKRN1Jan 12 09:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Bernd LANGE MEP asked a question about ACTA transparency in INTA on hearing of Commissioners candidates: http://i5.be/ahKJan 12 10:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Caroline Lucas MEP (Greens) with a question on transparency of ACTA again, question about the Lisbon treaty: http://i5.be/ahKJan 12 10:53
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Karel DeGucht says the Lisbon Treaty article on Parliament´s full information (access to the drafts) does not apply in case of ACTAJan 12 10:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Karel DeGucht says the Lisbon Treaty will only works if we respect what is in it. I would say especially the access of Parliament on ACTAJan 12 11:16
schestowitzhttp://www.krebsonsecurity.com/2010/01/firm-to-release-database-web-server-0days/Jan 12 11:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Karel DeGucht refuses Parliament´s access of documents of the Council committee 13, the one in charge of ACTAJan 12 11:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The committee 133 take important decisions relating to international trade issues such as the banana dispute http://i5.be/ahMJan 12 11:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Karel DeGucht refuses Parliament´s access of documents of the Council committee 133, the one in charge of ACTAJan 12 11:29
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] thinking of buying new PC. Anyone any experience with ATI Radeon 4670? Not an extreme gamer but would like to decently enjoy a few gamesJan 12 11:38
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] if she can do it, you can do it too http://bit.ly/5Ny5yFJan 12 11:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Stiglitz says the patent thicket and lawsuits in the software sector shows the failure of the system to promote innovation: http://i5.be/ahNJan 12 11:55
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schestowitzzoobab: pingJan 12 12:08
schestowitzzoobab: could you pls pls pls oggify this one?Jan 12 12:08
schestowitzhttp://techie-buzz.com/opensource/california-goes-open-source.htmlJan 12 12:11
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schestowitzIs there a way to prevent an iframe from stealing focus on pageload?Jan 12 12:29
schestowitzIt seems like a Firefox issueJan 12 12:30
schestowitzhttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238824Jan 12 12:32
phIRCe-localTitle: Bug 238824 &ndash; Mozilla gets focus when webpage page loads/reloads in current tab .::. Size~: 80.54 KBJan 12 12:32
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safruhanihi fellows, does gnome  project leaves the GNU?Jan 12 12:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Infosys awaits nod for 219 patent applications in India, US: http://i5.be/ahOJan 12 12:41
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schestowitzhttp://codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=157166Jan 12 12:41
phIRCe-localTitle:  Prevent iframe from stealing focus? - CodingForums.com .::. Size~: 40.05 KBJan 12 12:41
schestowitzsafruhani: nopeJan 12 12:41
safruhanischestowitz: do you know about an election about leaving GNU?Jan 12 12:42
schestowitzNa..... I give on on this..... http://forums.asp.net/p/1013770/1360146.aspxJan 12 12:45
phIRCe-localTitle: How Can I Prevent IFrame From Stealing Focus When Its URL Changes? - ASP.NET Forums .::. Size~: 110.27 KBJan 12 12:45
schestowitzsafruhani: I think Save deferred it permanentlyJan 12 12:46
schestowitzIt's just the anti-RMS crowd looking for troubleJan 12 12:46
schestowitzhMmmmm....Jan 12 12:50
schestowitzRefactor window blur/focus code in order to allow windows to receive Jan 12 12:50
schestowitznotification of window... blur/focus, allowing the next position line to Jan 12 12:50
schestowitzmove when someone alt+tabs. Jan 12 12:50
schestowitzhttp://github.com/defunkt/qwebirc/commits/masterJan 12 12:50
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schestowitzhttp://bitbucket.org/sebde/qwebirc/src/98258b4de558/qwebirc/Jan 12 12:52
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schestowitznm, I give upJan 12 12:52
schestowitzThey give no option for preventing of focus stealkingJan 12 12:52
schestowitz*lingJan 12 12:52
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cholerose1985DO U KNOW WHERE TO FIND SOFTWEAR FOR MAKING THEMESJan 12 12:55
cholerose1985FOR ANDROID?Jan 12 12:55
schestowitzDid you search for it?Jan 12 12:57
schestowitz!google software theme android developmentJan 12 12:57
phIRCe-local[1] - xda-developers - Powered by vBulletin | http://forum.xda-developers.com/Jan 12 12:57
phIRCe-local[2] - Google Android Development | Outsource Android Development ... | http://www.indianic.com/what-is-google-android-and-android-market.htmlJan 12 12:57
phIRCe-local[3] - Android Mobile Application Development, Google Android Software ... | http://www.iphoneapplicationdevelopmentindia.com/android-mobile-application-development.htmlJan 12 12:57
phIRCe-local[4] - How-to Android Theme Development - PinStack.com | http://forums.pinstack.com/f235/how_to_android_theme_development-98829/Jan 12 12:57
cholerose1985YES I COULDNT FIND ANYTHING AND I JUST GOT A JOB MAKING THEMES BUT I NEED HELPP TO FIND THE PROGRAM TO USE WHEN MAKING OPEN HOME THEMSJan 12 12:59
cholerose1985I KNOW HOW TO DO IT BUT CANT FIND THE SOFTWEAR CAN YOU HELP ME?Jan 12 13:01
cholerose1985PREETY PLEASEJan 12 13:01
oiaohmCalifornia is very forward looking schestowitzJan 12 13:02
oiaohmCalifornia support an australian solor power generation company that cannot get funding here.Jan 12 13:03
cholerose1985HUH?Jan 12 13:03
schestowitzThey provide no documentation here... http://qwebirc.org/downloadJan 12 13:03
phIRCe-localTitle: Download - the qwebirc project .::. Size~: 3.74 KBJan 12 13:03
cholerose1985DOES ANYONE KNOW THE PROGRAM I NEED TO MAKE THEMES FOR ANDROID AND THE WEBSITE TO DOWNLOAD IT?Jan 12 13:03
schestowitzcholerose1985: did you ask android developers?Jan 12 13:04
schestowitzThey also have an SDKJan 12 13:04
cholerose1985- the qwebirc project IS THIS THE PROGRAM I NEEDJan 12 13:04
schestowitzcholerose1985: noJan 12 13:04
schestowitzIt's just something I try to sort outJan 12 13:04
schestowitzThey have some code that causes issues to meJan 12 13:04
cholerose1985NO NO WAY TO CONTAACT THEM NO NUMBERJan 12 13:04
schestowitzAnd I run it on a server I don't control, so I can't hack on the code eitherJan 12 13:05
schestowitzcholerose1985: please NO CAPSJan 12 13:05
cholerose1985WHATS A SDK?Jan 12 13:05
cholerose1985sorryJan 12 13:05
schestowitzSoftware Development KitJan 12 13:05
cholerose1985where do i find thatJan 12 13:05
oiaohmcholerose1985: http://developerlife.com/tutorials/?p=309Jan 12 13:05
phIRCe-localTitle: developerlife  Tutorials    » Android UI Themes .::. Size~: 31.72 KBJan 12 13:05
oiaohmMany places.Jan 12 13:05
oiaohmAll android theme files are XML files.Jan 12 13:06
oiaohmFar safer than MS theme files that can raw edit registry keys.Jan 12 13:06
cholerose1985see someone gave me a lind to make themes it like a theme maker but it wont send me my email so i can acess my new acountJan 12 13:06
cholerose1985like a verafacation email it says it sent it but i never get it in my email accountJan 12 13:07
cholerose1985i wish there was just a theme builder program i could download android gave me 72 hours to build a them and i cant find not program to get the jobJan 12 13:08
oiaohmI did not know that a android theme builder existed yet.Jan 12 13:08
oiaohmI was still doing my the old manual way.Jan 12 13:08
schestowitzI'll ask them in IRCJan 12 13:09
schestowitzcholerose1985: take an existing theme, modify around its skeleton maybeJan 12 13:09
schestowitzIt it's an xml thing, then you just need to replace the imagesJan 12 13:10
schestowitzSame thing I did when creating 2 Firefox themes in 2005Jan 12 13:10
cholerose1985well what program did u use to make ur old stle thems/Jan 12 13:10
cholerose1985i can give you the link to the theme builder for open home ahome and panda home if u want it does everything for u but i cant get it to send the email so i can verifiy my accountJan 12 13:11
schestowitzhttp://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/selling-exceptionsJan 12 13:12
oiaohmhttp://developerlife.com/tutorials/?p=309  kate basically any editor with XML syntax highlighter is all I have been using.  cholerose1985Jan 12 13:12
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cholerose1985i would but iam stuck cuz it wont send the email to my google account so i can start  programing here try itJan 12 13:12
oiaohmSame kind of editor I use for editing webpages manually cholerose1985Jan 12 13:12
schestowitzcholerose1985: why would it discriminate vs gmail?Jan 12 13:13
cholerose1985idk is there anyway i could give u my cell number and you could walk my through thisJan 12 13:13
cholerose1985it says it sent the email but never does so i cant use it here the linkJan 12 13:14
cholerose1985http://home.pandaapp.com:888/Jan 12 13:15
cholerose1985there it isJan 12 13:15
cholerose1985try itJan 12 13:15
schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2010/01/backflip-motorolas-innovative-android.htmlJan 12 13:16
phIRCe-localTitle: The Backflip: Motorola's Innovative Android Phone | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 94.24 KBJan 12 13:16
cholerose1985basically a theme builder for home replacements Jan 12 13:16
cholerose1985whats thatJan 12 13:16
cholerose1985link u wroteJan 12 13:17
schestowitzhome as in main page?Jan 12 13:17
schestowitzI reckon you could get an existing theme, open the xml file/s, add your desired graphicsJan 12 13:17
cholerose1985like home alternative on android phonesJan 12 13:17
schestowitzI don't think you need a "builder" per seJan 12 13:17
schestowitzBut I never programmed for the Android, so I don't knowJan 12 13:17
schestowitzIt ought to be similar to Firefox themes.... pixmaps and indexed of them (file maps)Jan 12 13:18
cholerose1985ya to change the icons and colors and stuff cuz i dont know all the code things to change to do it manuallyJan 12 13:18
schestowitzcholerose1985: just relax, you'll find out how it's doneJan 12 13:18
schestowitzcholerose1985: you can learn from reading other people's themesJan 12 13:18
schestowitzThen hack on themJan 12 13:18
schestowitzHave you any existing theme files?Jan 12 13:19
schestowitzMaybe some compressed files (tar.gz/zip renamed) with many images and some xml filesJan 12 13:19
oiaohmThemes for android wrap in standard application packaging for there parts.Jan 12 13:19
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/111110-data-centers-understaffed.htmlJan 12 13:19
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schestowitzoiaohm: does Android use a toolkit like gtk?Jan 12 13:20
oiaohmNop Android is its own toolkit.Jan 12 13:20
schestowitzafik, android has many proprietary bits outside just the gsm parts of those that cannot be exposedJan 12 13:20
schestowitzoiaohm: Google keeps that toolkit closed?Jan 12 13:20
oiaohmNopJan 12 13:20
schestowitzAs in non-Free?Jan 12 13:20
oiaohmThe toolkit is fully  open source Jan 12 13:21
schestowitzChrome OS uses Chrome OS. Does that use a similar toolkit?Jan 12 13:21
schestowitzChrome OS is just UbuntuJan 12 13:21
schestowitzThus gtk underneath, but it's stuck with just the Chrome browser/ChromiumJan 12 13:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] UPLS question put forward by LaQuadrature: http://i5.be/ahRJan 12 13:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Questions au Commissaire-désigné Barnier sur le droit d'auteur et les libertés dans l'environnement numérique | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 25.34 KBJan 12 13:21
oiaohmNop Chrome OS toolkit not Androids.Jan 12 13:22
oiaohmAndroids is direct no extra crap.Jan 12 13:22
MinceRit's some java-only crapJan 12 13:23
cholerose1985this is hard ya it is java and sum lady says she uses photo somthing to make her themesJan 12 13:24
cholerose1985i cant even find the java program to use eitherJan 12 13:24
schestowitzMinceR: not anymoreJan 12 13:27
schestowitzcholerose1985: maybe just an image editing programJan 12 13:28
schestowitzTo make pixmapsJan 12 13:28
oiaohmTheme editors will come cholerose1985 android is just a fairly new phone system in the market.  It took nokia phones only like 7 years to move away from manual.Jan 12 13:28
schestowitzYou don't need a program to make themes, maybe just to test them as you go alongJan 12 13:28
schestowitzPalm and Nokia offer devs $1 million prize for best app for webos and memoJan 12 13:29
schestowitz*maemoJan 12 13:29
oiaohmAndroid does have a emulator that is kinda handy to test applications and themes on before risking a phone.Jan 12 13:29
schestowitzhttp://www.esecurityplanet.com/features/article.php/3857841/Who-Was-Who-in-Spam-for-2009.htmJan 12 13:30
MinceRschestowitz: how can the java apis be used from c/c++?Jan 12 13:30
oiaohmThere is a native api for android MinceRJan 12 13:31
schestowitzhttp://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=31482Jan 12 13:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Issue 31482 -  chromium -  Huge amount of goats teleported - Project Hosting on Google Code .::. Size~: 23.22 KBJan 12 13:31
MinceRi know there is, but i'm not sure if native code run through it can call backJan 12 13:33
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @zoobab Infosys awaits nod for 219 patent applications in India, US: http://i5.be/ahOJan 12 13:33
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oiaohmThere is a lot more to creating themes than a lot of people like to admit.  cholerose1985 google makes theme makers get the gernel sdk for a reason.   using over sized image and the like can reduce performance and do other bad things.Jan 12 13:35
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Pidgin-update-addresses-emoticon-vulnerability-900992.htmlJan 12 13:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Pidgin update addresses emoticon vulnerability - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.68 KBJan 12 13:44
schestowitzIn the mean time, don't smileJan 12 13:44
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MinceR:|Jan 12 13:46
schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000192.jpgJan 12 14:02
phIRCe-localTitle:     Doomed to Obscurity   .::. Size~: 47.64 KBJan 12 14:02
oiaohmYep had that schestowitzJan 12 14:04
schestowitzThe people of the IRC thingie are of no help.... :-|Jan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:07] <schestowitz> Hi, I have a question:Jan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:08] <schestowitz> qwebirc steals focus (the iframe) when it is startedJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:08] <schestowitz> username togglingJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:08] <schestowitz> Is there a way to prevent this behaviour?Jan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:09] <@slug> on the quakenet instance?Jan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:10] <schestowitz> Thanks slugJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:10] <schestowitz> FreenodeJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:11] <schestowitz> I was gonna install it on my own server, but freenode provides one after mibbit had been blockedJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:11] <schestowitz> I open it in an iframe with ?channels=XXXXXXXXXX down the page, then it steals focus, in Firefox 3.5, not in Konqueror thoughJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:15] <schestowitz> I googled many things and went everywhere in your site, even some code. I couldn't find documentation or any general tricks to avoid the "username" field from grabbing focusJan 12 14:04
schestowitz[13:25] <schestowitz> My plan is to put qwebirc instance at the bottom of 9000+ pages, but being at the bottom means the pageload will be followed by scrolldown to the bottom of the pageJan 12 14:04
schestowitzI'm aborting this plan.... no way around it, apparentlyJan 12 14:04
schestowitzI'm gonna post some links in BN.....Jan 12 14:05
schestowitzhttp://www.mobilegazette.com/lg-gw990-10x01x11.htm - ballnux+intel charity killerJan 12 14:06
phIRCe-localTitle: LG GW990 Preview - Mobile Gazette - Mobile Phone News .::. Size~: 13.07 KBJan 12 14:06
oiaohmThere is make your own IRC client.  But that is way too much work.   schestowitzJan 12 14:06
oiaohmNot exactly schestowitzJan 12 14:08
oiaohmLG GW990 will find out how much desktop and moble space can over lap.Jan 12 14:09
oiaohmResults could driver the arm vs x86 battle even stronger.Jan 12 14:09
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oiaohmhttp://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxondesktopwrong.shtml  People love missign the basics.Jan 12 14:12
phIRCe-localTitle:  Why Linux on the Desktop is Wrong - OPINION - www.reallylinux.com        .::. Size~: 14.39 KBJan 12 14:12
oiaohmAll desktop OS's have items like KMS and other graphical card management.  Linux has been lacking.Jan 12 14:13
oiaohmIe it critical that a desktop user is not left hanging in mid air not knowing if machine has had a issue or not.Jan 12 14:13
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oiaohmhttp://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000191.jpg   << The day before Doomed to Obscurity is better.Jan 12 14:15
phIRCe-localTitle:     Doomed to Obscurity   .::. Size~: 47.64 KBJan 12 14:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] US has a Supreme Court to correct deviant patent courts, why not the EU?Jan 12 14:18
MinceRit's probably better to just provide a link to the webchat anywayJan 12 14:20
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I now know, why i got DOT NET ? Every one of my pal badly wanted me in it :(Jan 12 14:23
cubezzznone of the bloggers seem to mention AmigaJan 12 14:29
MinceRamiga is deadJan 12 14:32
cubezzznot quite :)Jan 12 14:33
cubezzzI admit it's almost deadJan 12 14:33
cubezzzit's still worth mentioningJan 12 14:34
cubezzzno question though, there's no going backJan 12 14:37
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oiaohmamiga is releasing a new machine in 2010.Jan 12 14:39
MinceRurl?Jan 12 14:39
cubezzzhttp://www.osnews.com/story/22693Jan 12 14:40
phIRCe-localTitle: New Amiga Sports Programmable Co-Processor, Dualcore PPC .::. Size~: 24.28 KBJan 12 14:40
cubezzzI think I've found itJan 12 14:40
MinceRinterestingJan 12 14:42
MinceRmaybe they'll resurrect PPC?Jan 12 14:42
cubezzzseems like a completely new processorJan 12 14:43
cubezzzbut yeah, that's the co-processorJan 12 14:44
MinceRicJan 12 14:44
oiaohmAmiga has done a lot of co-processor stuff over history.Jan 12 14:44
cubezzzdefinitely seems like a machine for hackersJan 12 14:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Has anyone, anywhere, successfully compiled their own modules to actually work with any Windows Apache 2.0? I know no evidence of such.Jan 12 15:14
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Omar87schestowitz: my university's site requirs IE for viewing my account, could that be because of Silverblight?Jan 12 15:22
Omar87requires*Jan 12 15:24
oiaohmNo it does not have to be Omar87Jan 12 15:28
MinceRprobably because they couldn't be bothered to conform to standardsJan 12 15:30
MinceRinstead they hacked up some m$html and put in a useragent checkJan 12 15:30
schestowitzOmar87: not unless it's installedJan 12 15:33
schestowitzMaybe activexJan 12 15:33
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Omar87schestowitz: yeah, perhaps. However, I've been able to work around it by using Konquerer.Jan 12 15:54
Omar87It has this cool browers identification feature.Jan 12 15:54
MinceRhttp://www.shipmentoffail.com/fails/2010/01/bing/Jan 12 15:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #IBM 's Contribution to #GNU #Linux Over the Past Decade http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/ibm_software_010/Jan 12 16:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linuxfest Northwest 2010 Web Site Created http://ur1.ca/jo8sJan 12 16:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell #OptiPlex PC Comes with #GNU #Linux Preinstalled http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/news/article.php/3857666Jan 12 16:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] As much as I hate #Jordan, it's I'll have to admit it's beginning to impress me more and more every day! :) http://tinyurl.com/yee8k76Jan 12 16:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco 's Use of #GNU #Linux on Servers Increased http://www.hardwarezone.com/news/view.php?id=15480&cid=8Jan 12 16:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The rise of Free and Open Source Software, in #Jordan :) http://tinyurl.com/yee8k76Jan 12 16:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ChromiumOS Zero ( #GNU #Linux based on #Google Code) is Released http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/706-chromium-os-zero-released-Jan 12 16:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of #GNU #Linux Applications for Search; Linux Audio For The Holidays http://ur1.ca/jo9e http://ur1.ca/jo9fJan 12 16:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at #Xephyr Running Under #GNU #Linux http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xephyr.htmlJan 12 16:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez a neighbour's back yard always seems greener, even when it ain'tJan 12 16:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Movement Grows - More Participants (Developers, Applications) http://ur1.ca/jo9q http://ur1.ca/jo9r http://ur1.ca/jo9sJan 12 16:15
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MinceRi thought he was in JordanJan 12 16:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Mandriva #Linux , New User's Point of View on #PCLinuxOS http://ur1.ca/jo9z http://ur1.ca/joa0Jan 12 16:16
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Arch #Linux Interview http://ur1.ca/joan http://ur1.ca/joaoJan 12 16:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #BackTrack 4 ( #GNU #Linux ) http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8691Jan 12 16:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Short Review of #Fedora 12 (Post-Update) http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2010/01/11/yum-upgrade-to-fedora-12-and-mini-review/Jan 12 16:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Sidux 2009.04 ( #Debian Family) http://thelinuxblog.net/uncategorized/sidux-2009-04/Jan 12 16:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Release Schedule Video for #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux , Weekly Newsletter http://ur1.ca/joaz http://ur1.ca/job0Jan 12 16:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mini #Projectors Run #Linux http://ur1.ca/job8 The Linux brand just doesn't show up. http://ur1.ca/job9Jan 12 16:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux Phones Surface at #CES http://ur1.ca/jobe http://ur1.ca/jobf http://ur1.ca/jobgJan 12 16:28
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phIRCe-localTitle: Verizon tips Pre Plus, and Palm opens WebOS - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.02 KBJan 12 16:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Linux (Android) #Phones Cheaper to Make Than #HypePhone http://ur1.ca/jobkJan 12 16:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hand-compiled modules for Win32 Apache 2.0: http://is.gd/68phH mod_macro works too. Impressive and horrifying. The trick: http://is.gd/68py5Jan 12 16:33
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oiaohm2010 the year PC makers become phone makers ?Jan 12 16:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Qualcomm and #HP Target #GNU #Linux for Sub-notebook http://ur1.ca/joci http://ur1.ca/jocjJan 12 16:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Intel and #Lenovo Create Windows/Linux Duality http://ur1.ca/jocq http://ur1.ca/joctJan 12 16:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Texet Makes Tablet That Runs #GNU #Linux Only http://www.liliputing.com/2010/01/hands-on-with-texets-8-9-inch-touchscreen-tablet.htmlJan 12 16:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NorhTec #Edubook Comes with Puppy #GNU #Linux http://www.liliputing.com/2010/01/whats-next-for-the-norhtec-edubook.htmlJan 12 16:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM -based #Linux Gadgets Steal the Show at #CES http://ur1.ca/jodaJan 12 16:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LG #Linux Phones Blur Gap Between Phones and Computers http://ur1.ca/jodc http://ur1.ca/jodd http://ur1.ca/jodeJan 12 16:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Disappoints, So Another #Migration to #GNU #Linux to Occur http://ur1.ca/jodgJan 12 16:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies - When S* Hits the Fan http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/11/tintin-copyrights-go.htmlJan 12 17:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Unlicense Licensing Movement Grows http://ostatic.com/blog/the-unlicense-a-license-for-no-licenseJan 12 17:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's Dominance in #Programming Makes Start? http://ur1.ca/joenJan 12 17:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent trolls go after the smaller companies first: http://i5.be/ahYJan 12 17:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #California Further Embraces #FreeSoftware http://techie-buzz.com/opensource/california-goes-open-source.htmlJan 12 17:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Mobile #Firefox Final Release Imminent, for Linux Only http://ur1.ca/jofaJan 12 17:09
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Intel Chooses #FreeSoftware for #CMS http://buytaert.net/intel-using-drupalJan 12 17:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] is "a bad dose of hiccups" a reasonable excuse for a bomb disposal officer to call in sick?Jan 12 17:11
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Twitter reveals that it is powered by free software : http://blog.twitter.com/2009/01/building-on-open-source.htmlJan 12 17:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Walmart Manager: “Walmart is De-emphasizing and Taking Shelf Space from the [Xbox] 360” http://ur1.ca/johkJan 12 17:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s One-Month Downtime and Dirty Secrets About Office http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/12/one-month-downtime-customers/Jan 12 17:51
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tessierschestowitz: If you were looking for me earlier whatever you said has scrolled offJan 12 17:52
schestowitztessier: thanks, all has been fine :-)Jan 12 18:03
tessierGreatJan 12 18:03
tessierThe server load is looking much better. That change you made really helped.Jan 12 18:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Betrays Another ‘Partner’, This Time #MySQL http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/12/microsoft-vs-mysql/Jan 12 18:07
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MinceRmysql was a "partner" of m$?Jan 12 18:14
schestowitzYesJan 12 18:23
schestowitzThey must have required API access and 'stuff'Jan 12 18:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft to Rent the Software It’s Already Renting to Fight #GNU #Linux Adoption http://ur1.ca/jom6Jan 12 18:34
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schestowitzbblJan 12 18:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The diploma mill Ph.D dissertation of creationist Kent Hovind. http://is.gd/68XKX Your brain will run away screaming from the stupid.Jan 12 19:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] GIVE WL MONEY! RT @wikileaks back for submissions http://is.gd/68YXh but our new publishing infrastructure is taking a little longer.Jan 12 19:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz I have to agree. :-)Jan 12 19:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @arkadyrose http://bit.ly/4tjfki - My Little @ladygaga !Jan 12 19:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Interessant en inspirerend #FOSS interview met Christian Einfeldt op Open Bytes: http://tinyurl.com/yauh2xaJan 12 19:26
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DaemonFCone critical security update this monthJan 12 20:06
DaemonFChttp://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS10-001.mspx?pubDate=2010-01-12Jan 12 20:08
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS10-001 - Critical: Vulnerability in the Embedded OpenType Font Engine Could Allow Remote Code Execution (972270) .::. Size~: 177.1 KBJan 12 20:08
DaemonFCMozilla Firefox, Opera, Safari, and Chrome can open EOFsJan 12 20:11
DaemonFCso this Windows vulnerability puts users of those browsers at risk, not just IE usersJan 12 20:11
MinceRwindows users had it comingJan 12 20:12
DaemonFClike most patched Windows vulnerabilities, this one has been there for 10 yearsJan 12 20:17
DaemonFCand affects people who don't use the programs bundled with WindowsJan 12 20:17
DaemonFCit should be enough to piss people off, that Windows is actually opening up vulnerabilities in Firefox that Mozilla can't do anything aboutJan 12 20:18
DaemonFC(granted, sometimes they could but choose not to)Jan 12 20:18
MinceRhopefully it's enough for someJan 12 20:24
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MinceRbut most people won't even listenJan 12 20:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament WebTV based on Microsoft patented technology: "ASP.NET Ajax client-side framework failed to load" http://i5.be/ah2Jan 12 20:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Enjoying watching Come Dine With Me via "the web based TV site whose name I dare not speak" #fbJan 12 20:55
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_NatalJan 12 21:29
phIRCe-localTitle: Project Natal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 100.82 KBJan 12 21:29
DaemonFCMicrosoft's Project: Wii RipoffJan 12 21:29
ThistleWeball I think of with the word "natal" is new mumsJan 12 21:30
ThistleWeb"get em young" in extreme modeJan 12 21:30
DaemonFCMicrosoft is trying to stall for time by saying the XBOX 360 has years left in itJan 12 21:33
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DaemonFC"The Xbox 360 was designed for a long life"Jan 12 21:37
DaemonFCBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!Jan 12 21:37
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10433167-17.htmlJan 12 21:37
phIRCe-localTitle: How many years does the Xbox 360 have left? | The Digital Home - CNET News .::. Size~: 164.01 KBJan 12 21:37
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ThistleWeball consoles are built on like a 5 yr cycleJan 12 21:48
ThistleWebthe 360 and the ps3 are no different, it's only the circumstances which are making them try to claim a 10yr cycle in hindsightJan 12 21:48
ThistleWebif the 360 hadn't been such an unreliable product and actually made them money, and the ecconomy hadn't bombed, they'd be building the next oneJan 12 21:49
DaemonFCI hate people that upload in WAVJan 12 21:58
DaemonFCit's become a pandemic lately since Crapple fanboys bitch about FLACJan 12 21:58
MinceRwhy do they bitch about FLAC?Jan 12 21:58
DaemonFCcause they want it in Apple LosslessJan 12 21:59
MinceRfuck themJan 12 21:59
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DaemonFCMinceR: I agree, but I can't find this in FLAC, only WAVJan 12 22:00
DaemonFCand it pisses me offJan 12 22:00
DaemonFCthey complain because iPuke doesn't play FLAC and they can't figure out what to do at that point probablyJan 12 22:01
DaemonFCWhen Apple software can't or won't do something, the Crapple Fanboy learns to live with it, then insists that nobody would want that feature anywayJan 12 22:02
DaemonFCMinceR: It's like the fox and the grapesJan 12 22:02
DaemonFChave you seen a group viciously attacking Firefox as heavily as Mac users?Jan 12 22:02
DaemonFCSafari is perfectJan 12 22:03
DaemonFCSafari does nothing wrongJan 12 22:03
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DaemonFCthere are few hardcore Windows users defending Internet Explorer or Windows Media Player the way that Crapple Fanboys defend iTunes and SafariJan 12 22:04
MinceRdunno, the only person i remember viciously attacking firefox is a m$ fanboy elsewhere :>Jan 12 22:05
DaemonFCMicrosoft has snuggled up to Firefox over the last couple years for some reason, and now even MS MVPs rave about how great it isJan 12 22:06
DaemonFCuntil about 2007, the MVPs basically pretended that Mozilla didn't existJan 12 22:06
DaemonFCor if they did, they would ridicule it somehowJan 12 22:06
DaemonFCI think the breaking point was when IE 7 finally did come out and wasn't that much of an improvement over IE 6Jan 12 22:07
DaemonFCthey generally don't praise non-Microsoft cross platform software, and it's open source to bootJan 12 22:08
DaemonFC:PJan 12 22:08
MinceRin most cases m$ products being crap and cross-platform FLOSS being better doesn't faze themJan 12 22:09
MinceRmaybe m$ is buying the Mozilla Foundation? :>Jan 12 22:09
DaemonFCI suspect some collusion Jan 12 22:09
MinceRor simply they're so scared of google that they try to help firefox against chrome?Jan 12 22:10
DaemonFCI doubt itJan 12 22:10
MinceRor they're preparing to push their own staff into the Mozilla Foundation?Jan 12 22:10
DaemonFCFirefox is pretty much owned by Google anywayJan 12 22:10
MinceRi don't expect them to be scared of OperaJan 12 22:10
DaemonFCit's where 90% of Mozilla's money comes from, Firefox drives you towards GoogleJan 12 22:10
DaemonFCOpera pretty much dominates phonesJan 12 22:11
DaemonFCMS tries to foist IE on you thereJan 12 22:11
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DaemonFChttp://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100112/NEWS/100119862?Title=Mystery-object-to-whizz-by-EarthJan 12 22:17
phIRCe-localTitle:  Mystery object to whizz by Earth Wednesday | PressDemocrat.com | The Press Democrat | Santa Rosa, CA .::. Size~: 57.63 KBJan 12 22:18
schestowitzzoobab: it's FlashJan 12 22:18
schestowitzPlays OKJan 12 22:18
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schestowitzDaemonFC: Wii was not first eitherJan 12 22:19
schestowitzThey make slight mods to existing tech, then claim creditJan 12 22:19
schestowitzMultitouch is just touchscreen with more than one 2d coordJan 12 22:19
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/rem-everybody-hurts-without-network-neutrality.arsJan 12 22:21
phIRCe-localTitle: R.E.M.: Everybody Hurts (without network neutrality) .::. Size~: 39.5 KBJan 12 22:21
DaemonFCschestowitz: I don't suppose you speak Russian?Jan 12 22:26
DaemonFCuggghJan 12 22:27
DaemonFCit says that registration is closed and I can register between 8:00-10:00 MSKJan 12 22:28
DaemonFCand that they apologize for this inconvenienceJan 12 22:28
DaemonFCGoogle Translate is getting better :)Jan 12 22:28
DaemonFCMP3 should rightfully be a Russian invention anywayJan 12 22:29
MinceRwhy?Jan 12 22:30
DaemonFCobvious reasonsJan 12 22:30
DaemonFCit's just good enough to work and there's a billion of them madeJan 12 22:30
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DaemonFC"If you are wondering, the sub is Swiss"Jan 12 22:32
schestowitzGood show.... http://linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-48-holiday-geek-roundup-linux-basementJan 12 22:32
DaemonFCDaniel Jackson: "So it might explode now and then, but it keeps perfect time?"Jan 12 22:32
phIRCe-localTitle: LB - Episode 48 - Holiday Geek Roundup by Linux Basement | Linux Basement .::. Size~: 29.55 KBJan 12 22:32
MinceRlolJan 12 22:33
*schestowitz does patent postJan 12 22:33
DaemonFCwonderful, my choice is to download it all in WAV at 1.1 KB /secJan 12 22:34
DaemonFCor go find it on RapidShare somewhereJan 12 22:34
DaemonFCand spend equal time downloadin it in 100 MB RAR chunksJan 12 22:35
DaemonFCwaiting 15 minutes between downloadsJan 12 22:35
DaemonFCthat is assuming it's thereJan 12 22:35
DaemonFCor I could go out and spend $150 on the CDsJan 12 22:36
DaemonFCdecisions decisionsJan 12 22:36
DaemonFCif I get the CDs, I'll use them once, to rip it to Vorbis, and they'll be a dust collection after thatJan 12 22:36
DaemonFCI can't legally sell them while I have the Vorbis files I made (who cares), but I'll only get about $60 for my "used CDs" if I doJan 12 22:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Now upgrading an old Debian etch to Ubuntu hardy. Perhaps the result will boot! Then we can see about Karmic.Jan 12 22:48
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trmancololJan 12 23:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #i4i Shoots Down #Microsoft Office (Online Store Delisting), Joseph Stiglitz Denounces Microsoft http://ur1.ca/jp4zJan 12 23:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Patents Roundup: i4i Shoots Down Microsoft Office (Online Store Delisting), Joseph Stiglitz Denounces Microsoft, Infosys Harms Indian Patent Law | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.46 KBJan 12 23:14
oiaohmI am waiting for more patents to turn up.Jan 12 23:33
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trmancohttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.htmlJan 12 23:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Official Google Blog: A new approach to China .::. Size~: 83.95 KBJan 12 23:47
trmancochina is messing with the wrong peopleJan 12 23:48
oiaohmChina has given google no option bar to hit back.Jan 12 23:52
oiaohmGoogle depends on trust in lots of areas of business to operate.Jan 12 23:52
MinceRgoogle has some nerve lecturing the chinese about freedom of speechJan 12 23:54

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