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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 16th, 2010

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trmanco_grrJan 16 00:12
trmanco_a .docx file crashed OOoJan 16 00:12
trmanco_:/Jan 16 00:12
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MinceRmore proof that OOXML is evilJan 16 00:14
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trmancoit only had some text and links on itJan 16 00:16
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgh_53_eaqc&feature=relatedJan 16 00:18
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schestowitztrmanco: opening .docx gives you cancer ;-)Jan 16 00:18
schestowitzFreenode seems to be back to normalJan 16 00:19
schestowitzNo lag, eitherJan 16 00:19
schestowitzHi, _goblinJan 16 00:19
_goblinhi!Jan 16 00:19
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trmancoyo me, noJan 16 00:24
trmancoto*Jan 16 00:24
trmancoI'm invincible to MS cancerJan 16 00:24
trmancoit can't get to my core defensesJan 16 00:25
trmancoit needs root passwordJan 16 00:25
trmancoit can use a couple of hundreds of xboxes to decrypt the password, but they will burn out before even guessing the first character... Jan 16 00:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another busy day, little time for Openbytes. Ive got 2 days off starting Sunday so as HBK says "...Only good things will happen"Jan 16 00:37
*schestowitz <3 openbytesJan 16 00:52
trmancololJan 16 00:53
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schestowitzzoobab: have you prepared a transcription of the Kroes talk?Jan 16 01:14
schestowitzI'm listening to it nowJan 16 01:14
schestowitzA friend of mine can probably put it into textJan 16 01:14
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_goblinSchestowitz: <3 ? I must be tired, that went over my head.Jan 16 01:38
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sebsebseb Jan 16 01:45
schestowitz_goblin: it's a heartJan 16 01:47
schestowitzsebsebseb:  Jan 16 01:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @berkmancenter: Speakers list for "A2K4: Access to Knowledge and Human Rights Conference" has been announced: http://bit.ly/6EMafFJan 16 01:48
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sebsebsebschestowitz: heh :DJan 16 01:48
_goblinah...Jan 16 01:48
_goblin:)Jan 16 01:48
_goblinWhy heart?   Did to understand the HBK reference?Jan 16 01:48
_goblinIf so, Im impressed.Jan 16 01:48
trmancoI didJan 16 01:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] yet another sad #gnu argument about freedom. I can understand the criticism from outsiders looking in. "You're free to do as we wish" :/Jan 16 01:49
_goblinexcellent!Jan 16 01:49
schestowitzsebsebseb: right back at cha!Jan 16 01:49
trmancoI remember it from when he talked with Vince about BretJan 16 01:49
_goblinYou'll be watching the rumble then...Jan 16 01:49
trmancoyeahJan 16 01:49
_goblinKofi Kingston to win...Jan 16 01:49
_goblinand he willJan 16 01:49
trmancoagainst sheamus?Jan 16 01:49
trmancowaitJan 16 01:50
_goblinnah....Randy got that spotJan 16 01:50
trmancoyeah, crapJan 16 01:50
trmancohe gonna looseJan 16 01:50
trmancorandy is a slithering jerkJan 16 01:50
_goblinDad was a legend thoughJan 16 01:50
trmanconot to say that he is a piece of crap...Jan 16 01:50
trmancothere, I said it...Jan 16 01:50
trmancoI don't remember his dadJan 16 01:51
ThistleWeboh, I checked out BBN last night out of curiosity, what a fucking joke of a siteJan 16 01:51
_goblinlol....yeah Ive looked at that before....Jan 16 01:51
trmancoI hate JoomlaJan 16 01:51
ThistleWebI dunno what I expected, but something with some content perhaps....it's empty apart from one rantJan 16 01:51
trmancoanyway, it's tea time for meJan 16 01:51
_goblinBBN will mean nothing to anyone other than the BN detractors...Jan 16 01:52
ThistleWebfew comments, no contributers, 1 articleJan 16 01:52
ThistleWebit's patheticJan 16 01:52
_goblinnotice who the comments are fromJan 16 01:52
_goblinlinsxxx usersJan 16 01:52
_goblinall of whom cannot get more than 18 people following them on Twitter.....I think that says it allJan 16 01:52
ThistleWebthe only reason I went was a dent lol'ing about loaded questions on a closed serverJan 16 01:52
ThistleWebI'm surprised they get 18 if the site is anything to go byJan 16 01:53
_goblinI think out of my average 1000 daily reads, I must get about 2 incomming links from that site.Jan 16 01:53
_goblinand thats a week.Jan 16 01:53
ThistleWebI really did expect something more substantialJan 16 01:53
ThistleWebeven the links down the side about links etc....all blankJan 16 01:53
_goblinhang on....BBNJan 16 01:54
_goblinno sorry, Im meaning another site....Jan 16 01:54
_goblinsame members....Jan 16 01:54
_goblinit names me (and others) on a list of fame.Jan 16 01:54
_goblinStonemirror on twitter seems to like it.Jan 16 01:55
ThistleWebI don't mind joomla, but that site looks like it was put up yesterday, with one article, and the rest to be addedJan 16 01:55
_goblinits always looked like that.Jan 16 01:55
_goblinyou can't polish dog sh%tJan 16 01:55
ThistleWebyeah the only article there was in like august last yrJan 16 01:55
ThistleWebI thinkJan 16 01:55
ThistleWeball negativeJan 16 01:55
_goblinlike I say, anyone other than the commenters would have a hard job working out why the site bangs on the way it does.Jan 16 01:56
ThistleWebI kinda expected a counter site to BN, with links etc to full articles etc but not that POSJan 16 01:56
_goblinnah....they misrepresent the IRC logs on Twitter when they are trying to do that.Jan 16 01:57
ThistleWebI do notice in the one article there are a lot of accusations and excerpts with no links to full in-context stuffJan 16 01:57
ThistleWebI only skimmed it too, reading bits and piecesJan 16 01:58
_goblinI think many of _that_ community are a little miffed that nobody really cared about Icaza's MVP..  They would have jumped on that.Jan 16 01:58
ThistleWebit just felt like someone with a brush up his ass in a desperate attempt to fill the page with as many words as possible to make people think "if the story's this long, it must all be true"Jan 16 01:58
_goblinand it works with Linxxx members......Jan 16 01:59
_goblinif I wrote an article about Roy being from the andromeda galaxy they would believe it.....as long as its long and its anti-BN they will believe anything.Jan 16 01:59
ThistleWebI just found it funny how amatuer it is, and how little content it hasJan 16 02:00
ThistleWebI find it funny that they expect to be taken seriouslyJan 16 02:00
_goblinStonemirror seems to.Jan 16 02:00
ThistleWebJoomla is a great platform, but the platform needs content. Without content, no platform looks professionalJan 16 02:01
ThistleWeband a survey on .asp? wtf?Jan 16 02:01
ThistleWebjoomla has survey modules, they could have done that onsiteJan 16 02:01
_goblinDavid Schlesinger or lefty or whatever else he wants to be called seems to like to associate himself on Twitter with it.Jan 16 02:01
ThistleWebwhich kinda shows the level of skills we're witnessingJan 16 02:01
ThistleWebany CMS is a piece of piss to set up a survey onJan 16 02:02
ThistleWebyet they seem to need a thrid party, and on asp tooJan 16 02:02
_goblinhave you completed it? - I never bothered....Jan 16 02:04
ThistleWebdidn't mean to derail the channel to BBN btwJan 16 02:04
ThistleWeblol, nahJan 16 02:04
ThistleWebI only saw the first pageJan 16 02:04
_goblinmaybe we should make BBBN......Jan 16 02:05
_goblinI wonder if they would come back with BBBBNJan 16 02:05
ThistleWebthe dent I spotted which caused me to have a look was about leading questions, to a post where he put up a second survey after complaints about the first.....and it was the second which was referred to as "leading"Jan 16 02:06
ThistleWebit seems like he's trying his best to manufacture the results he wantsJan 16 02:06
ThistleWebwithout being outed as rigging the questionsJan 16 02:06
ThistleWeband failingJan 16 02:06
ThistleWebDANGER! geneius at workJan 16 02:07
_goblinand whats this all for....?  Whats he doing with these "stats"Jan 16 02:09
ThistleWebI have to assume it's about feeding the beastJan 16 02:10
ThistleWebabout providing "stats" to counter BNJan 16 02:10
*sebsebseb is thinking about dumping Gnome, well more like not using it as muchJan 16 02:10
_goblinoff topic: Award for the Shill of the day Twitter account:  http://twitter.com/ProMicrosoftJan 16 02:11
ThistleWebI'm sure there are websites about dumping on gnomes, there's a porn niche for everythingJan 16 02:11
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sebsebsebKDE 4 hrm,  XFCE,  LXDE, etc loads of optionsJan 16 02:11
sebsebseb:)Jan 16 02:11
_goblintalking of DE's.....Im giving the latest ver of openbox a goJan 16 02:12
_goblinhaven't used it in a long whileJan 16 02:12
_goblinwill be interesting to see how far it has progressed.Jan 16 02:12
sebsebsebupstream Gnome have messed up Gnome 2 twice for me anywayJan 16 02:12
sebsebseband othersJan 16 02:12
ThistleWebseen drupalgarden.comJan 16 02:12
sebsebseband they start doing that about a year before Gnome 3, which I really am not so sure about, after seeing screenshots of Gnome Shell and reading a bit about itJan 16 02:12
ThistleWebit's a theme system for drupal 7, check the screencast demo out on that page, it looks awesomeJan 16 02:13
sebsebsebtwice yeah,  that  new GDM, well  it's bad in Ubuntu 9.10, but  ok in Fedora 11 and 12Jan 16 02:13
_goblinI'll have left Gnome before 3.......Jan 16 02:13
ThistleWebcreate a theme for drupal 7 in the browser with ajax, then export it to use it, it gives the .tar.gz file, complete with database if you likeJan 16 02:14
_goblincool.Jan 16 02:14
_goblinsorry that was too retro_trendy...Jan 16 02:14
ThistleWebcheck the screencast out, it looks real niceJan 16 02:14
sebsebsebthen the icons how they got removed from system, and part of places.  oh sure at the moment it can be turned back on, but  I tried the live session in virtualbox for Lucid alpha 2 last night, and well that option has been removed,  and if I remember correctly I read that Gnome wanted to do thatJan 16 02:14
sebsebsebstill not a big fan of KDE 4 as a DE, but at least it's useable for me these days, it's not just uh and back to GnomeJan 16 02:15
sebsebsebwith some KDE apps in Gnome of courseJan 16 02:15
_goblinI agree.....I just cannot warm to KDE.Jan 16 02:15
_goblinI was impressed at the latest ver, but its just too.................something....for my liking.Jan 16 02:16
sebsebseband it's not as simple to customize by a long way, compared to GnomeJan 16 02:16
sebsebsebplus it looks a lot more Windows like by default hrmJan 16 02:16
sebsebsebaltough I think  Microsoft got some of their Windows feature ideas, beause of KDEJan 16 02:17
_goblinI used to think it was because it was Windowsesq that I didn't like it.....Jan 16 02:17
_goblinbut I think its because its just too "blingy" for me.Jan 16 02:17
sebsebsebXFCE well  last time I tried Xubuntu,  that didn't last long, I went back to Gnome rather quickJan 16 02:17
_goblinprefer the simplicity of a Gnome or Xfce DE.Jan 16 02:17
sebsebsebyeah Xubuntu is a bit hrm for XFCE last time I tried, but I vm'd some other distro before that ran XFCE, and I was quite impressedJan 16 02:18
_goblinXFCE is fantastic....been on my main rig for about a year now.Jan 16 02:18
_goblinpunchy as hellJan 16 02:18
sebsebsebtried LXDE in vm as well.  never in Ubuntu or Mandriva, but want to try in botJan 16 02:18
sebsebsebbothJan 16 02:18
sebsebseb_goblin: you would have left Gnome before  Gnomd 3 or whatever you put?Jan 16 02:18
_goblinsorry?Jan 16 02:19
sebsebseb_goblin: I was wondering what your Gnome  comment meantJan 16 02:20
_goblinah....I meant to say.....I would have left Gnome before V3 is out.....Jan 16 02:20
sebsebsebthought that's what you meantJan 16 02:20
sebsebsebhowever why?Jan 16 02:20
_goblincurrently running 2.28 on my secondary rigs (i think)Jan 16 02:20
sebsebsebGnome 2 is good,  it's getting a bit old yeah.  still good though,  or well it was and pretty good indeed, but not anymoreJan 16 02:21
sebsebsebI already mentioned whyJan 16 02:21
_goblinI don't like its migration towards Mono...Ive notice a hit in performance over the years.....Jan 16 02:21
_goblin(not MOno related)Jan 16 02:21
_goblinthey are two reasons....Jan 16 02:21
_goblinsecondly I have found Xfce and now Openbox have matured very nicely.Jan 16 02:22
sebsebsebsure there's the Mono thing as well, but personalley I like Banshee, and F-Spot is okJan 16 02:22
sebsebsebTomboy?  nah i'll use Gedit or Kate or something, if I want to do notesJan 16 02:22
sebsebsebLeafpad maybe evenJan 16 02:22
sebsebsebwell once installed againJan 16 02:22
_goblinI actually have no issue with Mono as a concept....the issue I have is that its chasing the tail of a MS framework and has no killer apps or hook to make me want to keep it aroundJan 16 02:23
_goblinjust like OO gets removed in favor of AbiWordJan 16 02:23
sebsebsebAbiword doesn't use MonoJan 16 02:23
sebsebsebAbiword is nice and light waightJan 16 02:23
_goblinthats what I was saying.....Jan 16 02:23
_goblinI merely remove the packages I dont need.Jan 16 02:24
_goblinOO gets removed Abiword gets put in,...Jan 16 02:24
_goblinnothing I use or need depends on Mono.Jan 16 02:24
sebsebsebUbuntu is starting to come with a few things, that I really don't need!Jan 16 02:24
_goblinthe worst offender for duplication and useless utils IMO was #!CBLJan 16 02:25
_goblinnever seen anything like it.Jan 16 02:25
sebsebsebwhat's that?Jan 16 02:25
_goblinsorry....Crunch Bang....(based on Ubuntu with Openbox)Jan 16 02:25
sebsebsebah yes Crunch BangJan 16 02:25
sebsebsebyeah I have vm'd that beforeJan 16 02:25
_goblintalk about 1001 things to remove on install.Jan 16 02:26
_goblinIf memory serves there were 4 IRC clients....Jan 16 02:26
_goblin2 command line and 2 GUI basedJan 16 02:26
sebsebsebUbuntu One I don't want to useJan 16 02:26
sebsebsebfusa  I don't want,  so remove off panel yeahJan 16 02:26
_goblinTo be fair, I had the beta invite.....its pretty decentJan 16 02:26
sebsebsebLucid I know will be more Gnome editingJan 16 02:26
sebsebseb,but if they do it correctly,  I will be reasoanbly happy  I guessJan 16 02:27
sebsebsebeven if the features aren't really for meJan 16 02:27
_goblinBeen looking at TinyME over the last few hours....Jan 16 02:27
sebsebsebTinyME ???Jan 16 02:27
_goblinopenbox DE, Unity derived distro...lightwieght etc etc etcJan 16 02:28
sebsebsebunity??Jan 16 02:28
_goblinvery good as it happens....Jan 16 02:28
_goblinMandrivaJan 16 02:28
sebsebsebwhat's unity?Jan 16 02:28
_goblindistro based on MandrivaJan 16 02:29
sebsebsebohJan 16 02:29
sebsebsebwell I am on Mandriva One 2010 at the momentJan 16 02:29
_goblinsort of like a Debian - Ubuntu - Crunchbang relationshipJan 16 02:29
_goblinahhhJan 16 02:29
_goblinnoooooJan 16 02:29
sebsebsebI quite like it, butJan 16 02:29
sebsebsebabout three little bugs have effected meJan 16 02:29
sebsebsebjust little things thoughJan 16 02:30
_goblinThe only distro that has given me a headache with issues....and that includes Slackware.Jan 16 02:30
sebsebsebpulseaudio has given me issues with two distrosJan 16 02:30
sebsebsebUbuntu 9.10 and Mandriva One 2010Jan 16 02:30
_goblinlast time I tried Mandriva, one of the bugs was it was trying to get me updating to a previous version.Jan 16 02:30
sebsebsebsound wasn't working in my Virtualbox OSE vm'sJan 16 02:31
sebsebseband  when doing a vm I was losing sound on the hostJan 16 02:31
sebsebsebsomeone told me to disable  pulseaudio and well that solved the problem :)Jan 16 02:31
sebsebsebah yes had that bug with 2010, it wanted to upgrade to the previous versionJan 16 02:31
sebsebsebit doesn't do English British properlyJan 16 02:31
sebsebsebif it at all reallyJan 16 02:31
_goblinafter that I wouldn't bother with it again... Jan 16 02:32
sebsebsebthe graphical software manager,  will come up after installing something or  maybe two things if lucky,  and  say I can't install more or whateverJan 16 02:32
sebsebsebaltough closing and re opening the program before installing more stuff, might help.Jan 16 02:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Despite Economic Collapse, #GNU #Linux Job Market Claimed Up 80 Percent! http://ur1.ca/jxqjJan 16 02:33
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_goblinI must admit, (sort of off topic) I liked the Ubuntu software center.  I think if Canonical are aiming Linux at the new user , its packages like that which will do it.Jan 16 02:33
sebsebsebon install of Mandriva I thought it maybe crashed, so turned off computer after the install,  and  well I was able to log in, but didn't want localhost as my host name, but found out how to change that myself later on as wellJan 16 02:33
sebsebseb_goblin: there isn't realy an off topic for this channel,  see  schestowitz  's topicJan 16 02:34
_goblinnah, I meant off topic for our conversationJan 16 02:34
sebsebseb_goblin: on the subject of software centre,  I think that as well,  hence why after doing a clean install of  Ubuntu 9.10 with my little brother earlier,  I got him to install some games from the software centre as wellJan 16 02:34
_goblinI also think Computer Janitor is very good.Jan 16 02:35
sebsebsebplus he wants the games their yeahJan 16 02:35
sebsebsebI read something about how  Computer Janitor can damage a system or cause problems, something like thatJan 16 02:35
_goblinI think the rule is, at the moment it needs supervison!Jan 16 02:36
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @stickster: New user account tool looking sweet, @fedoradesktop: http://bit.ly/7sqK3P #GNOME !FedoraJan 16 02:36
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_goblinSeems like I was right with my appraisal of Gnewsense.Jan 16 02:36
sebsebseb_goblin: software centre is not that good, when wanting to install quite a lot of stuff  at the same timeJan 16 02:36
_goblintrue, but then would a new user be doing it all in one go?Jan 16 02:37
sebsebsebwell no probably notJan 16 02:37
sebsebseb,but yeah for the occasional app here and there,  it's probably pretty good indeedJan 16 02:37
sebsebsebsoftware centre is going to become quite an important part of Ubuntu it seems,  replacing Synaptic eventaully etcJan 16 02:38
sebsebsebthey have a good wiki page about itJan 16 02:38
_goblinI only say that because after installing Ubuntu on many new user rigs, its the one thing they rave about.Jan 16 02:38
sebsebsebthing is it's going to offer commercial apps for people to buy eventaulley as wellJan 16 02:38
_goblinand a music store too apparently.Jan 16 02:38
sebsebsebthat's Lucid yeah,  not the software centreJan 16 02:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Geek' Squad Eventually Forced to Accept That #GNU #Linux is Here to Thrive http://ur1.ca/jxqrJan 16 02:39
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_goblinahJan 16 02:39
sebsebsebmusic store apparentlyJan 16 02:39
_goblinmy mistakeJan 16 02:39
_goblinI thought it was going to be incorporated into oneJan 16 02:39
sebsebseb_goblin: plus some people are working on a proper Ubuntu ManualJan 16 02:39
sebsebsebaimed at new users who have come from WIndows or Mac OS X  or maybe  Ubuntu is their first OS evenJan 16 02:39
_goblinnow thats a good idea.....Jan 16 02:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Green Activists Chooses #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware for Betterment of Environment http://ur1.ca/jxquJan 16 02:40
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_goblinprevents the silly questions such as "Why can't I install MS Word through the software center"Jan 16 02:40
_goblinor my real pet hate......Jan 16 02:40
_goblin"how do I get the spinny cube thing to work like on Youtube"Jan 16 02:40
sebsebsebthey want it in the ISO, but  no one knows if that will be accepeted, or at least on the download page,    oh and apparantly jono and jorge castro are interested in this project as wellJan 16 02:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Accept Changes in Migration to #GNU #Linux http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/some-things-in-linux-are-hard-get-over-it-36400Jan 16 02:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux Link Tech Show http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_336-01-13-10.ogg #playoggJan 16 02:41
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sebsebseb_goblin: well there's that Offical Ubuntu Book and other books on Ubuntu, but not that many people will want to buy a bookJan 16 02:41
_goblintalking of books....bought my first computer book in a while....advanced C/L scripting....its actually very good.Jan 16 02:42
sebsebsebfree PDF,  that will be updated  when a version of Ubuntu is in developmentJan 16 02:42
sebsebsebI mean made when  one is in developmentJan 16 02:42
sebsebseb_goblin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manualJan 16 02:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Configuration Utility for LM_Sensors; #Ext4 Praise http://ur1.ca/jxqz http://ur1.ca/jxr0Jan 16 02:44
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phIRCe-localTitle: The best Linux file system of all? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 124.22 KBJan 16 02:44
_goblinI wonder what the first distro will be to have Chromium packaged as default?Jan 16 02:44
sebsebseb_goblin: Ubuntu Netbook Remix?Jan 16 02:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bangarang 1.0 is Released http://bangarangkde.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/bangrang-1-0-the-basics-released/ #qt #kdeJan 16 02:45
sebsebsebthey are going to do Chromium instead of Firefox, since they think it's more lite waightJan 16 02:45
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_goblinGood call..although Id say no....too close to the competition of the GoogleOS...Jan 16 02:45
sebsebsebalso ChromeOS is really a Linux distroJan 16 02:45
_goblinyeah what I mean is that the Netbook remix is really a competitior of Chromeos.....I don't think it would use ChromiumJan 16 02:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Fluxbox and Why Having Many Window Managers/Desktop Environments in #GNU #Linux is Good http://ur1.ca/jxr6Jan 16 02:46
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_goblincould be wrong thoughJan 16 02:46
sebsebseb_goblin: Canonical have actsualley helped Google make ChromeOS  or  ChromeiumOS hrmJan 16 02:46
sebsebsebtheir are articles on the webJan 16 02:46
_goblinmaybe so....but netbook remix and Chromium?.......can't see it.....you could well be right though.....Jan 16 02:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Version 3 Takes Focus http://ur1.ca/jxr8 http://ur1.ca/jxr9 http://ur1.ca/jxrbJan 16 02:47
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phIRCe-localTitle: The Grand Fallacy » GNOME Shell tryout. .::. Size~: 50.19 KBJan 16 02:47
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu blogspot: Is GNOME Going To Duplicate The Efforts From Canonical? .::. Size~: 159.26 KBJan 16 02:47
sebsebseb_goblin: I read somethingJan 16 02:47
sebsebsebpretty sure I am rightJan 16 02:47
_goblinIm going to go with Mandriva as being the first having Chromium...Jan 16 02:47
sebsebseb_goblin: uh as a default browser you mean?Jan 16 02:48
_goblinor MintJan 16 02:48
_goblinyeahJan 16 02:48
sebsebsebI hope not by the wayJan 16 02:48
sebsebsebFirefox is a great default browserJan 16 02:48
_goblinyeah agreed, but the punch of Chromium has me a convertJan 16 02:48
sebsebsebFirefox is also the one that has most market share than any version of IE on it's ownJan 16 02:48
sebsebsebit's just together with old versions IE has most of that market stillJan 16 02:48
sebsebsebwhat do you mean punch?Jan 16 02:48
_goblinspeed, responsivenessJan 16 02:48
sebsebseb_goblin: maybe Debian should go with chromeium thoughJan 16 02:49
sebsebsebif it fits in with their Debian philosopheyJan 16 02:49
sebsebsebfree software only, whatever it isJan 16 02:49
_goblinyes.....Jan 16 02:49
sebsebsebFirefox didn't, hence Iceweasel,  which is not really good for market shareJan 16 02:49
_goblinstill think Mandriva will go with Chromium first.Jan 16 02:49
sebsebsebwho uses Iceweasel that isn't running Debian?Jan 16 02:49
sebsebsebor uhmm something Debian based?Jan 16 02:50
sebsebsebGNewSense has Iceweasel?Jan 16 02:50
_gobliner......pass....I'll have to check my review of it.Jan 16 02:50
sebsebsebnot sure what distro I will be running on here as a host OS after trying Lucid final as a host OSJan 16 02:50
sebsebsebI just have a feeling Lucid won't last that long like that on hereJan 16 02:51
sebsebsebto some extent  Chrome/Chromeium is getting at me like  Windows 7 hypeJan 16 02:51
sebsebsebChrome/Chromeium/webkit  is sort of irelivant untillJan 16 02:52
_goblinI think it does.....my review of Gnewsense was not exactly praising it.... http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/gnewsense-2-3-deltah/Jan 16 02:52
phIRCe-localTitle: gNewSense 2.3-deltah «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 38.01 KBJan 16 02:52
sebsebsebenough web users are using a browser that uses webkitJan 16 02:52
sebsebseband we got enough web developers that know about web standards, and how they should be following web standards when it comes to making their sitesJan 16 02:52
_goblinyeah....I got the bug of chromium when I was forced to use an XP netbook on holiday last year.Jan 16 02:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pelican #HPC 2.0 Released http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Number-Crunching-with-Pelican-HPC-2.0Jan 16 02:53
phIRCe-localTitle: Number Crunching with Pelican HPC 2.0 - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 30.58 KBJan 16 02:53
_goblinit was Chrome or IE....Jan 16 02:53
sebsebsebmany people these days that don't know about web design wanting a website for something these days, and then idiot website creation businsse's who will for example make a website for people in FrontpageJan 16 02:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PartedMagic ( #GNU #Linux Distribution) Gets Recommendation http://insidesocal.com/click/2010/01/parted-magic---a-nice-touch.htmlJan 16 02:54
phIRCe-localTitle: Parted Magic - a nice touch - CLICK .::. Size~: 28.28 KBJan 16 02:54
sebsebseband  woudn't suprise me if a lot of these people are still only testing their websites in IEJan 16 02:54
_goblinI must admit web design is something Ive never really dabbled in....Jan 16 02:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BradleyKuhn ( #SFLC ) Move to #Debian #GNU #Linux http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.htmlJan 16 02:55
phIRCe-localTitle: Back Home, with Debian! - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 20.4 KBJan 16 02:55
sebsebsebok well Microsoft Frontpage produces bad code, and is no longer made by MicrosoftJan 16 02:55
sebsebseb_goblin: someone said IE is for people that don't know about browsersJan 16 02:55
sebsebsebrecently to me or something like that.Jan 16 02:55
_goblinand its probably true....Jan 16 02:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 (LTS) Reaches Alpha 2, Already Benchmarked http://ur1.ca/jxru http://ur1.ca/jxrvJan 16 02:56
phIRCe-localTitle: Canonical releases Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 2 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.42 KBJan 16 02:56
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 2 Benchmarks With Early Fedora 13 Numbers .::. Size~: 19.76 KBJan 16 02:56
sebsebsebmost web users don't know about web standardsJan 16 02:56
_goblinthe EC has put a stop to that though.Jan 16 02:56
sebsebsebthey use a browser, because of how fast it loads up webpages, and features it can doJan 16 02:56
sebsebsebwell that browser options screen is only for Europe as far as I know,  and  will it  be for XP as well?Jan 16 02:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Music Service Comes to #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux, Other Nice Features http://www.workswithu.com/2010/01/14/five-essential-ubuntu-features/Jan 16 02:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Women Project Looks for Leader http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2468Jan 16 02:57
phIRCe-localTitle: Five Essential Ubuntu Features | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 51.65 KBJan 16 02:57
phIRCe-localTitle: New Leader for the Ubuntu Women Project  pleia2's blog .::. Size~: 20.01 KBJan 16 02:57
_goblinapparently its for all Windows vers being sold...Jan 16 02:57
_goblinor so Im led to believeJan 16 02:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: Lucid alpha 2 just like alpha 1,  was a  disapoitment for me, but for alpha 1 that was expected, for alpha 2 I was expecting a little bit more than what I sawJan 16 02:57
_goblinI don't think they will recall the existing products though...Jan 16 02:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another New Review of #LinuxMint 8 http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-linux-mint-8Jan 16 02:58
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sebsebseb_goblin: well it's coming on a windows update, the screenJan 16 02:58
_goblinI think instead of browsers the EC should have been looking at OEM.....Jan 16 02:58
_goblinthats the real issue...not which soppy browser people have installed as defaultJan 16 02:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: seems I have to wait untill alpha 3, before I will think  Lucid is going to be a pretty good release,  or  I will think  Lucid isn't going to be a that good releaseJan 16 02:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at/Review of Nice #Linux Devices (Router and Phone) http://ur1.ca/ju7r http://ur1.ca/jxrzJan 16 02:59
phIRCe-localTitle: Magnify the Motorola Droid - PC World .::. Size~: 72.15 KBJan 16 02:59
sebsebseb_goblin: well  Opera complained  about two years ago or somethingJan 16 02:59
sebsebsebNetscape had done something like this before as well or whateverJan 16 02:59
sebsebseb_goblin: browsers are the most important or one of the most important peices of software, for most computer users todayJan 16 02:59
sebsebsebbrowser rendering enginge market share,  dictates what happens to the web.Jan 16 03:00
_goblinyes but the issue the EC had was over giving people fair choice...Jan 16 03:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Jordan Marches Towards #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/jxs2 http://ur1.ca/jxs3Jan 16 03:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Pass the Source    » Bringing contestability back to the public sector desktop .::. Size~: 22 KBJan 16 03:00
sebsebsebsince IE  has most of  the market over all, well  loads of websites won't be made as good as they could be, by a long wayJan 16 03:00
_goblinand theres no fair choice at all if the systems is pre-installed Windows.....Jan 16 03:00
sebsebseb_goblin: well yes there isn't a proper choice when it comes to computer softwareJan 16 03:00
sebsebsebfor most usersJan 16 03:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GPL to the Rescue of Real Capitalists http://ur1.ca/jxs5 http://ur1.ca/jxs6Jan 16 03:01
phIRCe-localTitle: 451 CAOS Theory » A capitalists guide to open source licensing .::. Size~: 60.9 KBJan 16 03:01
sebsebsebthey just use what the companies give them, and that's thatJan 16 03:01
_goblinFF has certainly eaten away at it though and I don't see any light at the end of the tunnel for IEJan 16 03:01
phIRCe-localTitle: Questions to ask about open source projects | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 31.48 KBJan 16 03:01
_goblinwe even have Chrome ads at our local train station now....Jan 16 03:01
sebsebseboh?Jan 16 03:01
sebsebsebchrome/chromeium blah de blahJan 16 03:01
sebsebsebpeople should be supporting FIrefox reallyJan 16 03:01
_goblinYeah...I'll photo one tomorrow and stick it on Twitpic!Jan 16 03:01
sebsebsebsince  it has most market share than any version of IE  on it's own, and I guess it's not that far behind IE over all now?Jan 16 03:02
sebsebsebgood to have browser choice sure, but we just need one that  follows web standards properly  with   a properly big market shareJan 16 03:02
_goblinIm not sure the figures claimed....but I certainly don't think IE has the upper hand anymore....Jan 16 03:02
sebsebsebfor  the web to start becoming much betterJan 16 03:02
sebsebseband Firefox is number 2Jan 16 03:03
sebsebsebChrome/Chromeium just like Opera, have hardly any of the marketJan 16 03:03
_goblinthat could change this year.Jan 16 03:03
_goblinand the Google name has quite a bit of powerJan 16 03:03
sebsebsebChrome OS  is likely to help  Linux win back the net book market, or is it?Jan 16 03:03
_goblinand more importantly (rightly or wrongly) Google is "trendy"Jan 16 03:04
sebsebsebreally Chrome and Chromeium OS are just a browser as far as I knowJan 16 03:04
_goblinI don't think ChromeOS will do anyhting for Linux....Jan 16 03:04
sebsebsebeven if  msot of their customers don't know they are running LinuxJan 16 03:04
sebsebseband it hits off a lotJan 16 03:04
_goblinpeople won't understand  or care about how ChromeOS came to beJan 16 03:04
sebsebsebwellJan 16 03:04
sebsebsebLinux  gains market share in that market yeahJan 16 03:04
_goblinI think Canonical (if anyone) will be the company to get Linux into the masses.Jan 16 03:05
sebsebseb_goblin: it seems like more of a possibility from what I know about LucidJan 16 03:05
_goblinLets hope its done properly thoughJan 16 03:05
_goblinI must admit I had no issues with 9.10.....Jan 16 03:05
sebsebseb,but  I used to think 8.10 was ready for loads of the masses,  however I later on found out that the ethernet woudn''t just work on the other computerJan 16 03:06
sebsebsebwith 9.04 and 9.10 they have messed aroundJan 16 03:06
sebsebseband 10.04 well,  isn't a proper 8.10 replacement it seemsJan 16 03:06
sebsebsebI think 8.10 is the best release over all since 8.04Jan 16 03:06
_goblinbefore 9.10, I had 8.04LTS running on a rig for a long time.Jan 16 03:06
_goblinnever a spot of bother from it.Jan 16 03:06
sebsebsebI was going to put something about how,  if  they do it properly, they have a chance at gaining a more proper market shareJan 16 03:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Timeline of #FreeSoftware and "Open Source" http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/15/the-9-most-important-events-in-open-source-history/Jan 16 03:08
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sebsebseb_goblin: well quite a few people had karmic issuesJan 16 03:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Major New Win for #OpenOffice .org and #ODF : Norwegian Broadcasting http://ur1.ca/jxsoJan 16 03:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #OpenSolaris in Review (Verdict: It's No #GNU #Linux ) http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/opensolaris-2009-06.htmlJan 16 03:09
phIRCe-localTitle: Open Norway: Norwegian Broadcasting Moves to OpenOffice and ODF - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 32.18 KBJan 16 03:09
phIRCe-localTitle:       Open Solaris 2009.06 - Slowly getting there     .::. Size~: 25.74 KBJan 16 03:09
sebsebsebquite a lot of negative stuff on the web, some of which wasn't really fair, and  done by people who don't seem to know enough about UbuntuJan 16 03:09
sebsebseb_goblin: Software Centre is the only proper end user feature in 9.10Jan 16 03:09
sebsebsebunless people want to use One of courseJan 16 03:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla to Opt for More Frequent Release of #Firefox http://mashable.com/2010/01/15/mozilla-drops-firefox-3-7/Jan 16 03:10
phIRCe-localTitle: Mozilla Drops Firefox 3.7, Switches to More Frequent Feature Updates .::. Size~: 75.56 KBJan 16 03:10
sebsebseb,but that's not a proper feature,  that's a way for Canonical to make some moneyJan 16 03:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Promoted a Little by the #Obama Administration http://techdirt.com/articles/20100115/0038317770.shtmlJan 16 03:11
phIRCe-localTitle: Obama Administration Considers More Public Access To Publicly Funded Research | Techdirt .::. Size~: 51.69 KBJan 16 03:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ogg as a Standard May Get Its Way in #YouTube http://ur1.ca/jxss http://ur1.ca/jxstJan 16 03:12
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DaemonFCschestowitz, so the IRS is garnishing my mom's wages to study the mating habits of the Aardvark, and now I get to see the research results?Jan 16 03:12
DaemonFCsweetJan 16 03:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship in #Florida Courts http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2010/01/will-this-post-get-me-disbarred.htmlJan 16 03:13
phIRCe-localTitle: PrawfsBlawg: Will this post get me disbarred? .::. Size~: 66.96 KBJan 16 03:13
_goblinsorry sebsebseb Im gonna have to go...didnt see the time...nice talking with you....speak with you later!!!Jan 16 03:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Universities Reject #DRM http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/kindle_university_blind_protests/Jan 16 03:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet's #NetNeutrality Defended by Giants http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2358123,00.aspJan 16 03:14
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DaemonFCmy mom will only be allowed to make $179 a week if she's unable to get the IRS garnishments to stop, they they can pay for the Obama/liberal pork programsJan 16 03:14
DaemonFC*so that theyJan 16 03:14
DaemonFCit would actually be nice to see that TEA Party candidate in Massachusetts wine so he can be the 41st vote against the ObamaCare Fleecing and Illegal Mandatory Insurance Act of 2010Jan 16 03:16
DaemonFC:)Jan 16 03:16
DaemonFC*winJan 16 03:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA on #NetNeutrality http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10435388-261.htmlJan 16 03:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Conspiracy ( #ACTA ): #Video Debate http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.htmlJan 16 03:17
DaemonFCthat looks to be the only chance to stop it nowJan 16 03:17
phIRCe-localTitle: RIAA: Net neutrality shouldn't inhibit antipiracy | Media Maverick - CNET News .::. Size~: 113.27 KBJan 16 03:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Secret copyright treaty debated in DC: must-see video  Boing Boing .::. Size~: 79.02 KBJan 16 03:17
phIRCe-localthat looks to be the only chance to stop it nowJan 16 03:17
trmancohahahaJan 16 03:18
trmancothe bot is talking to himself againJan 16 03:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Torrents Sites Defended in the UK http://ur1.ca/jxsz http://ur1.ca/jwr1 data stream != copyrightJan 16 03:19
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phIRCe-localTitle: BBC News - Music file-sharer 'Oink' cleared of fraud .::. Size~: 44.97 KBJan 16 03:19
*trmanco waits for the next bunch on linksJan 16 03:19
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schestowitzNo batch]Jan 16 03:30
trmancoschestowitz: Jan 16 03:30
trmancopost some linksJan 16 03:30
schestowitzI actually had my first knode issue todayJan 16 03:30
schestowitzIt frozeJan 16 03:30
trmanconeed to do an experimentJan 16 03:30
schestowitzNever happened beforeJan 16 03:30
schestowitzI had to suspend itJan 16 03:30
trmancoI think I know it's patternJan 16 03:31
schestowitzIdenti.ca is being filled with spam accountsJan 16 03:32
schestowitzhttp://test.orgJan 16 03:32
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trmancono, it has to be a noticeJan 16 03:32
trmancosomething from bncJan 16 03:32
trmancothe more links the better, more time I haveJan 16 03:32
trmancowaitJan 16 03:33
trmanco[03:15] [Notice] -BNc to #boycottnovell- [schestowitz] #MAFIAA on #NetNeutrality  http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10435388-261.htmlJan 16 03:33
trmanco[03:15] [Notice] -BNc to #boycottnovell- [schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Conspiracy ( #ACTA ): #Video Debate  http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.htmlJan 16 03:33
trmancololJan 16 03:33
phIRCe-localTitle: RIAA: Net neutrality shouldn't inhibit antipiracy | Media Maverick - CNET News .::. Size~: 68.88 KBJan 16 03:33
trmancoooJan 16 03:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Secret copyright treaty debated in DC: must-see video  Boing Boing .::. Size~: 79.02 KBJan 16 03:33
trmancohmmJan 16 03:33
trmancomaybe it has to be noticesJan 16 03:34
-trmanco/#boycottnovell-test http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.html http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/15/secret-copyright-tre-2.htmlJan 16 03:34
trmancololJan 16 03:34
phIRCe-localTitle: Secret copyright treaty debated in DC: must-see video  Boing Boing .::. Size~: 79.02 KBJan 16 03:34
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trmanconoJan 16 03:34
trmanconot it :/Jan 16 03:34
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ziggyfishschestowitz, are you there?Jan 16 04:53
zer0c00lziggyfish: He might be sleepingJan 16 04:55
zer0c00lziggyfish: Come back after some 2-3 hoursJan 16 04:55
ziggyfishsureJan 16 04:55
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FurnaceBoywhat was the name of that copy/paste browser tool that was in the headlines recently for privacy issues?Jan 16 05:55
DaemonFChell if I knowJan 16 06:06
DaemonFCany of themJan 16 06:06
FurnaceBoyhm, i only know of it since it hit the newsJan 16 06:10
FurnaceBoybut i forget the name. some silly name, 4 letters maybe starting with Y or TJan 16 06:10
ThistleWebtry recent stories on slashdotJan 16 06:14
ThistleWebwas only a couple of days ago I saw the storyJan 16 06:14
FurnaceBoyyeahJan 16 06:14
FurnaceBoyi did scroll backJan 16 06:14
FurnaceBoybut didn't see it. i thought it was on there, i'll look againJan 16 06:15
ThistleWebmaybe ars technicaJan 16 06:15
FurnaceBoyi wouldn't have seen it thereJan 16 06:15
DaemonFC"Fortunately for those of us who support ourselves from outside the law, the American justice System is so bogged down in technicalities, overcrowded jails, plea bargaining and a host of other problems, that even if charged with a serious crime, we can rest assured that the law is on our side and rarely that of the victim."Jan 16 06:27
DaemonFClolJan 16 06:27
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oiaohm http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/oink-founder-free-after-two-plus-years-of-legal-troubles.ars  Yep a P2p running following google like rules no problem legal.Jan 16 06:46
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DaemonFCoiaohm: P2P apps that need a central server are outdated and vulnerable to attack by the cartelsJan 16 06:59
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DaemonFCoiaohm: Why would Oblivion be running so bad?Jan 16 07:00
DaemonFCis it because it's on an ATI card?Jan 16 07:00
DaemonFCor because Wine has had a regression somewhere?Jan 16 07:01
DaemonFCcause it was running perfectly on my Nvidia card, but that was also 8 Wine releases agoJan 16 07:02
oiaohmCould be either DaemonFCJan 16 07:11
oiaohmI would have to check appdb and do digging to work out and I am in a r&r mode.Jan 16 07:12
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oiaohmhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2010011422570951Jan 16 08:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Backtrack-4 [PwnSauce].. PWNZ! xDJan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] can't sleep, ill. f is talking in her sleep about CBeebies characters. So far: Noc Toc and Charlie & Lola.Jan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] f is so my daughter. Even in her sleep she never shuts up.Jan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz that does NOT say Ogg. That says "HTML5". Chrome supports H.264 in HTML5, you know.Jan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Busy, reading a book. (Rerwiting writing, by Jo Ray Mcuen)Jan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] On the way to PerambraJan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: card scanners instead toilets & blackboards RT @gkjohn: Is there nothing the UID will not do? Teach... http://is.gd/6moK3Jan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: Another twist in the tale @anivar @gkjohn 'institutions can be given IDs'!!!! http://is.gd/6moK3 #NUIDJan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @pradeepto: RT @pramode_ce Schools use #KStars Linux to explain eclipse http://2tu.us/1f26 @akarshsimha #KDEJan 16 10:05
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phIRCe-localTitle: Schools in Kerala use KStars to explain the eclipse! .::. Size~: 1.94 KBJan 16 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] No matter what you do, we'll find ways to screw you and keep profits up http://tinyurl.com/ycvs67yJan 16 10:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @kdecommunity: Camp KDE About to Start! http://bit.ly/4T8IKZJan 16 10:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "Hermione, you're a girl" - Ron. "Well spotted" - Hermione. Brilliant line from HP4 Goblet Of Fire lmaoJan 16 10:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Breaking: Top Blogs 2009, #ArabCrunch24 #1 in Arabia and #24 Worldwide Beating Forbes and Wall Street Journal.Jan 16 10:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] http://bit.ly/63loVf #ArabCrunch24Jan 16 10:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Germany 's Office for Information Security Warns Against Microsoft’s Internet Explorer After China Attacks http://ur1.ca/jy63Jan 16 10:19
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tessier__It's been years. Clearly nobody cares about security flaws in IE.Jan 16 10:22
tessier__If anyone did something would have happened by now.Jan 16 10:22
tessier__http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/01/microsoft_names_ex-rival_mvp.htmlJan 16 10:36
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schestowitztessier__: yes, we have a lot of mail from himJan 16 10:45
tessier__Mail?Jan 16 10:45
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/bill-veghte-jumps-ship/Jan 16 10:45
phIRCe-localTitle: Another Anti-GNU/Linux Microsoft SVP Quits the Company | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.6 KBJan 16 10:45
schestowitzComes exhibitsJan 16 10:45
schestowitzPivotal people in anti-competitive behaviourJan 16 10:46
oiaohmgermeny is doing something about IE flaws.  Ie goverment stopping using it.  tessier__Jan 16 10:48
oiaohmThe loss is piece by pieceJan 16 10:48
tessier__goodJan 16 10:48
oiaohmChange has a habit of happing slowly tessier__Jan 16 10:57
oiaohmWe always wish for fasterJan 16 10:57
schestowitztessier__: : is it possible to make varnish treat pages with hashes (like "#comment-78212") be treated as separate unique pages that get cached separately or not get cached?Jan 16 10:59
tessier__YesJan 16 10:59
schestowitzThanksJan 16 10:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lies and Denial of Service Attacks from #Microsoft #Bing http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/16/denial-of-service-attacks-msnbot/Jan 16 11:01
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cubezzzwhy would Bill Veghte want to hang around?Jan 16 11:01
cubezzzHe probably doesn't need the moneyJan 16 11:01
cubezzzMaybe Google will end up taking over from the Big MJan 16 11:06
cubezzzdefinitely seems possibleJan 16 11:06
cubezzzalthough for the world to completely get rid of Microsoft, it will take a whileJan 16 11:07
tessier__schestowitz: Try your comments nowJan 16 11:08
cubezzzwow, the US dollar must be still fallingJan 16 11:08
cubezzzNot getting a good vibe on the ol' economy that's for sureJan 16 11:09
cubezzzalmost evenJan 16 11:10
schestowitztessier__: ok, thanksJan 16 11:14
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, it looks like they all move onJan 16 11:14
cubezzzit hit 1.09 at one pointJan 16 11:15
cubezzzwonder what the all-time high would beJan 16 11:15
cubezzzschestowitz, even Paul Allen I thinkJan 16 11:15
cubezzznot sure if he kept any shares thoughJan 16 11:15
cubezzzschestowitz, who is next in power after Ballmer?Jan 16 11:16
schestowitzMaybe OzzieJan 16 11:25
schestowitzBut he might be leaving nextJan 16 11:25
schestowitzBased on what happened in reorgsJan 16 11:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Private #Microsoft Army at #BETT 2010; #Apple Sends Out Army to Control Web Coverage http://ur1.ca/jyndJan 16 11:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Mr & Mr's | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ybxgsgeJan 16 11:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] rt @WebUpd8 Fa.il: Bing’s URL Shortener Is Longer Than Bing’s Own Domain http://j.mp/7FrqhRJan 16 11:45
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ziggyfishschestowitz, hey, the Gnome foundation has announced it's new committee membersJan 16 11:57
ziggyfishAdam Janos Reviczky, Benjamin Konrath, David Schlesinger, Frank Solensky, James Vasile, Jeff Schroeder, Ke Wang, Marc-Andre Lureau, Thibault SaunierJan 16 11:57
ziggyfishtwo of them look like Microsoft people,  Jeff Schroeder http://jeffsc.blogspot.com/ Jan 16 11:58
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ziggyfishand http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~kewang/Kewang-resume.html Ke WangJan 16 11:58
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schestowitzHe, ziggyfishJan 16 12:11
ziggyfishgood morningJan 16 12:12
schestowitzziggyfish: just this?Jan 16 12:13
schestowitz"Systems and Networking Research Group, Microsoft Research   Redmond"Jan 16 12:13
ziggyfishKe Wang - Invited as university representative to the Microsoft Professional Developers' Conference (PDC) 2001 by Microsoft Corporation.Jan 16 12:14
schestowitzI see...Jan 16 12:17
schestowitzNothing too major, but worth pointing out later, sot hanksJan 16 12:17
schestowitz*so thanksJan 16 12:17
ziggyfishno problem, anyway I'm offJan 16 12:18
oiaohmhttp://www.kde.org/whatiskde/management.php  I Like KDE management systemJan 16 12:18
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Update: #Woz still likes his iPhones, Nexus One is just his favorite new toy http://ur1.ca/jyt8Jan 16 12:31
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schestowitzziggyfish: I'd rather not be impolite thereJan 16 12:33
schestowitzI'll just point this stuff out, in case something fishy happens in the futureJan 16 12:33
ziggyfishsureJan 16 12:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Timely. RT @paulocoelho: 16/01 When two people fall in love, past and future disappear (The Alchemist)Jan 16 12:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Yay, Dutch translation of Gnomenu implemented on today's update of Gnomenu on Ubuntu 9.10 http://tinyurl.com/qhs9lfJan 16 12:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] http://imgur.com/MM14Q.png > #Gaza listed in #Ubiquity.Jan 16 13:04
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] s/shoping/shoppingJan 16 13:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Our activities of 2009 (PDF File): http://bit.ly/josa-2009-report -> #JOSAJan 16 13:53
Omar87schestowitz: pingJan 16 13:54
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EruaranhelloJan 16 14:06
Eruaran(I'm on someone elses PC hence the strange nick at first)Jan 16 14:06
EruaranI'm putting Arch on mineJan 16 14:07
Eruaran:)Jan 16 14:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Google pages gone mad! Published some new artwork on Gnome-Look. When I tried to download it, seems we don't have permission to download it.Jan 16 14:14
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schestowitzHey, EruaranJan 16 14:24
schestowitzOmar87: ACKJan 16 14:24
EruaranHi schestowitzJan 16 14:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I stand corrected!Jan 16 14:32
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Omar87schestowitz: Would you like to check out our 2009 activities PDF?Jan 16 14:57
Omar87schestowitz: There: http://bit.ly/josa-2009-reportJan 16 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA being discussed in the Italian parliament, Party Radicale asked questions: http://i5.be/ajOJan 16 14:58
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Mini thopai is full nowJan 16 15:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] we all have this cold. f and i have fever. bah. send braaaanes. ideal state to edit rationalwiki.com in, though.Jan 16 15:19
schestowitzbblJan 16 15:26
ender2070more reason to boycott gnomeJan 16 15:27
cubezzzermmJan 16 15:28
cubezzzboycotting GNOME sounds wrongJan 16 15:28
cubezzzyou would be boycotting a part of GNUJan 16 15:28
cubezzzGNU Network Object Model EnvironmentJan 16 15:29
MinceRyou could wait until they leave the gnu project :>Jan 16 15:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Problem with Googlepages solved, Linux-7-Wallpaper republished http://tinyurl.com/ydyd7tmJan 16 15:32
Diablo-D3gnome isnt part of gnu, thoughJan 16 15:33
Diablo-D3and they havent used the GNOME name for yearsJan 16 15:33
MinceRunless lefty and his gang has already succeeded, it still is a part of the gnu projectJan 16 15:34
Diablo-D3when de icaza sold out to microsoft, thats when it stopped being gnuJan 16 15:37
Diablo-D3RMS should make an official announcement about thisJan 16 15:37
Diablo-D3so people stop confusing it for a gnu projectJan 16 15:37
ender2070cubezzz - they have nothing to do with gnu anymore, its just a title to themJan 16 15:38
ender2070cubezzz - they are still part of GNU but they dont act like itJan 16 15:38
ender2070<MinceR> - they need like 20 people for that vote, so they just let 20 pro microsoft people inJan 16 15:39
MinceRto start voting, that is, not to win itJan 16 15:40
ender2070they probably have enough that are pro microsoftJan 16 15:42
ender2070then they also have enough that don't care enough about the differences between free and openJan 16 15:43
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EruaranBecause they have not been firm nor clear about being a community that creates software that is free as in freedom, I am not optimistic about Gnome's future.Jan 16 15:51
EruaranIf you are weak and let people in who have a completely different agenda, you will get screwed.Jan 16 15:52
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MinceRthey also have a history of doing stupid things, like adopting crApple's HIGJan 16 15:54
MinceR(at least in part)Jan 16 15:55
EruaranIts like believing that paper waving "peace in our time" Chamberlain is capable of standing up to Nazi Germany.Jan 16 15:55
EruaranYes, its plain dumb. But there is the hint of arrogance there as well... Jan 16 15:56
EruaranArrogance and denial don't produce good results.Jan 16 15:56
ender2070it doesn't help to have a troll on the advisory board eitherJan 16 15:58
ender2070lobbying ideasJan 16 15:58
MinceRespecially an anti-FLOSS trollJan 16 15:58
ender2070especially one who posts nude photos of his criticsJan 16 15:59
EruaranwtfJan 16 16:00
ender2070yeah I know eh?Jan 16 16:01
EruaranThat's the kind of juvenille and bizarre behavior I'd expect from some low level Microsoft turd emailing people in New Zealand trying to undermine a free software advocate.Jan 16 16:04
ender2070lolJan 16 16:07
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cubezzzah I seeJan 16 16:09
cubezzzwikipedia still says "GNOME is part of the GNU Project"Jan 16 16:10
ender2070it is in titleJan 16 16:11
ender2070they certainly dont act like itJan 16 16:12
cubezzzthat's really bad if GNOME becomes a part of MicrosoftJan 16 16:12
ender2070I doubt it willJan 16 16:12
cubezzzmost of the distros use it stillJan 16 16:12
ender2070they'll just rely on ms technology Jan 16 16:12
ender2070more and moreJan 16 16:12
cubezzzembrace and extend Jan 16 16:12
ender2070ms wins even if they dont write a single line of codeJan 16 16:13
EruaranIf Gnome gets consumed by the Microvell Borg Cube, Red Hat will fork.Jan 16 16:13
ender2070they'll have access to vast amounts of code written to their standards, and they can then borrow much of itJan 16 16:13
cubezzzyeah I figured that would happen Jan 16 16:13
cubezzzBSD uses GNOME too don't they?Jan 16 16:15
*cubezzz goes to gnome.org and see's what's upJan 16 16:16
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MinceRswitching to KDE makes more sense, imoJan 16 16:23
ender2070I recommend KDEJan 16 16:24
cubezzzright now I'm using old KDE on old hardwareJan 16 16:25
ender2070I also recommend Fedora, Kubuntu for KDE DistrosJan 16 16:25
cubezzzmy newer boxes have both KDE and GNOME on themJan 16 16:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Antikythera mechanism in detail http://bit.ly/8qZ27g HOLY SHIT these guys were *good*Jan 16 16:29
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cubezzzI'm keeping all my old OS discs just in case Jan 16 16:30
EruaranThe Antikythera Mechanism is a good example of how something can be mathematically correct, and therefore be believed to be correct, and yet get it totally wrong. Jan 16 16:34
EruaranThe Greeks believed everything moved in perfect concentric circles and all the mathematics used in the mechanism works based on that presupposition. But it's wrong.Jan 16 16:35
EruaranIt's a beautiful piece of work, mathematically elegant, and wrong.Jan 16 16:36
FurnaceBoy:)Jan 16 16:38
EruaranReason to listen to men like Tesla who criticized scientists for wandering off into mathematical abstractions and creating all kinds of abstract theories based on nothing but mathematics and speculations instead of repeatable experiments.Jan 16 16:38
cubezzzwas Kepler the first to realize orbits were elliptical?Jan 16 16:40
EruaranyesJan 16 16:42
EruaranHe oberved Mars orbit was ellipticalJan 16 16:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I think I may be addicted to "come dine with me".Jan 16 16:47
*FurnaceBoy recommends a great book, Koestler's "The Sleepwalkers" for highly readable account of Copernicus/Kepler/BraheJan 16 16:49
EruarancoolJan 16 16:50
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=koestler&sts=t&tn=sleepwalkers&x=0&y=0Jan 16 16:51
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*amarsh04 still remembers the hectic first year physics lecture where the lecturer derived elliptical orbitsJan 16 16:54
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Diablo-D3fffffffffffJan 16 17:02
Diablo-D3amarsh04: that sounds dirty.Jan 16 17:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I'm Gonna Spend My Christmas With A Dalek - The Go Go's (not the '80s one) http://is.gd/6odSF AUGH MY EARS. Poor Duane Eddy.Jan 16 17:23
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amarsh04the physics lecturers would use calculus that the mathematics lecturers hadn't taught us yetJan 16 17:30
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Go Go's - I'm Gonna Spend My Christmas With A Dalek..... OH GOD IT BURNS! !miotdJan 16 17:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Aaargh! Having my ears nibbled by a very friendly whippet! I think my Saturday evening is going well.Jan 16 17:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I nominate @27bslash6 for a Shorty Award in #humor because... I have seen White Chicks and have no idea who lilduval is http://bit.ly/shortyJan 16 17:43
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ender2070hmmmJan 16 17:49
ender2070I've never thought that a city could be an excuse to cause higher taxation....Jan 16 17:49
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/alykhansatchu/status/7825226445Jan 16 17:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Twitter / Aly-Khan Satchu: Cass Sunstein  http://bit. ... .::. Size~: 10.19 KBJan 16 17:52
ender2070Think about it from the perspective of how things used to be run, with everyone having their own landJan 16 17:53
ender2070no way for the government to grow biggerJan 16 17:53
schestowitzender2070: what's with your site?Jan 16 18:10
ender2070hackersJan 16 18:10
FurnaceBoy...!Jan 16 18:10
FurnaceBoyender2070: how did they?Jan 16 18:10
schestowitzOld WP?Jan 16 18:11
schestowitzender2070: got backup?Jan 16 18:11
schestowitzGoogle cache has copies.Jan 16 18:11
ender2070I have a backup but I don't have internet access at home and i've been too busyJan 16 18:12
ender2070at least of my databaseJan 16 18:12
ender2070wordpress got a few updates since I backed up the filesJan 16 18:13
ender2070bblJan 16 18:14
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cubezzzyou got hacked ender2070?Jan 16 18:14
cubezzzuh, too lateJan 16 18:15
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satiperaUK national news broadcast, BBC. I only caught the tail end of it but Microsoft were being urged to patch their software to fix some problem or other.Jan 16 18:32
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cubezzzany easy to list the licenses of all the modules?Jan 16 18:34
cubezzzlsmod |  awk '{print $1}' | /sbin/modinfo -lJan 16 18:34
cubezzzdidn't workJan 16 18:34
schestowitz"Jan 16 18:37
schestowitzOk, so 'podcasts you love, from people you trust' tagline should haveJan 16 18:37
schestowitzwarned me. 'FLOSS weekly' from same twit network is a bit full ofJan 16 18:37
schestowitzadvertising, but otherwise ok.Jan 16 18:37
schestowitz"Jan 16 18:37
schestowitzhttp://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/90735.htmlJan 16 18:37
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schestowitz"Ford Sync bought the entire TWIT network for a few weeks, so we were included in that deal. As of this week, no ads again, like most of the time."Jan 16 18:37
schestowitzI didn't know thatJan 16 18:37
schestowitzIt changes everythingJan 16 18:37
schestowitzFord is just a blanket, they didn't target FLOSSJan 16 18:37
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cubezzzhehJan 16 19:10
cubezzzcan't believe I did that :)Jan 16 19:10
cubezzzover-wrote modinfoJan 16 19:10
cubezzzummm, now where is modinfo from again? :)Jan 16 19:11
cubezzzmodutils-2.4.25-13Jan 16 19:12
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ender2070I may consider migrating to DrupalJan 16 19:33
ender2070anyone use both wordpress and drupal?Jan 16 19:34
cubezzzI use drupalJan 16 19:36
cubezzzbut not wordpressJan 16 19:36
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cubezzzI recommend daily sql backupsJan 16 19:38
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ender2070I have an sql backupJan 16 19:39
ender2070quite current tooJan 16 19:39
satipera_Warning over using Internet Explorer from German Government as exploit goes public http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Warning-over-using-Internet-Explorer-from-German-Government-as-exploit-goes-public-906173.htmlJan 16 19:39
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ender2070someone used an ftp exploit so I'll probably be taking ftp downJan 16 19:40
ender2070err, keeping it downJan 16 19:40
Diablo-D3lolftpJan 16 19:41
MinceRhttp://images.4chan.org/b/src/1263670088115.jpgJan 16 19:41
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ender2070I only lost the files in the user account they broke, which included the www for pwnage.caJan 16 19:41
ender2070it happened the day after I published that timelineJan 16 19:42
ender2070struck a nerve with someoneJan 16 19:42
Diablo-D3MinceR: ....Jan 16 19:42
MinceRender2070: :(Jan 16 19:43
MinceRender2070: do you still have that article somewhere?Jan 16 19:43
ender2070it should be in the databaseJan 16 19:44
ender2070as far as I can tell it wasn't deletedJan 16 19:44
ender2070I have an unfinished copy on my laptop tooJan 16 19:46
ender2070I wrote most of it up in kword first before publishing itJan 16 19:46
cubezzzthey deleted the files from your server?Jan 16 19:48
ender2070upon investigation they deleted contents of the www directoryJan 16 19:48
ender2070which is in a user account for pwnage.caJan 16 19:48
ender2070none of my other websites were hackedJan 16 19:49
cubezzzgot my auto module checker doneJan 16 19:52
cubezzzall GPL or Dual BSD/GPL except for oneJan 16 19:52
cubezzzguess which one? :)Jan 16 19:52
cubezzznvidiaJan 16 19:53
schestowitz[19:34] <ender2070> anyone use both wordpress and drupal?Jan 16 19:54
schestowitzBob Sutor is the only one I know ho does thatJan 16 19:54
schestowitzHe wrote many posts comparing the two blog/cms platformsJan 16 19:54
schestowitzhttp://sutor.comJan 16 19:54
phIRCe-localTitle: Redirecting ... .::. Size~: 0.31 KBJan 16 19:55
cubezzzso what ftp are you using?Jan 16 19:55
schestowitz[19:39] <ender2070> quite current tooJan 16 19:55
schestowitzGet Google cache for what might be missingJan 16 19:55
schestowitz[19:44] <ender2070> as far as I can tell it wasn't deletedJan 16 19:56
ender2070ftp is off now, never using it againJan 16 19:56
schestowitzJust in case, I have the whole page saved now on my HDDJan 16 19:56
cubezzzI've ran vsftpd for yearsJan 16 19:57
schestowitzjust ftp?Jan 16 19:57
schestowitzNot sfpt?Jan 16 19:57
ender2070it was standard ftp, vsftpJan 16 19:58
ender2070I had it enabled to speed up wordpress updates and to support some of my web clientsJan 16 19:59
Diablo-D3you know whats rather depressing?Jan 16 19:59
Diablo-D3windows is the best selling game console ever.Jan 16 19:59
cubezzzdidn't they sell a bazillion playstations?Jan 16 20:00
cubezzzI thought PC games were on the declineJan 16 20:00
ender2070Diablo-D3 - Wii dudeJan 16 20:01
cubezzzFord used to sell the most cars tooJan 16 20:01
cubezzzoperating income: -9.293 billionJan 16 20:03
Diablo-D3cubezzz: ps1 and 2 really didnt sell that manyJan 16 20:03
Diablo-D3it took forever for the ps2 to catch up to the snes, for exampleJan 16 20:03
ender2070schestowitz - you have the timeline? you have my permission to publish it if you want.Jan 16 20:03
Diablo-D3but what you have to look at isJan 16 20:03
Diablo-D3all the copies of windows sold between win95 and 7Jan 16 20:03
cubezzzit's not what I would think of as a games console Jan 16 20:04
ender2070Diablo-D3 - Windows isn't a game console, its a package of badly written programs bundled into an OSJan 16 20:04
Diablo-D3if its not a game console, why am I playing games in it?Jan 16 20:05
Diablo-D3dohohohohohoJan 16 20:05
ender2070your computer is the consoleJan 16 20:05
cubezzzwhen I think console I think dedicated deviceJan 16 20:05
cubezzzlike atari 2600 :)Jan 16 20:05
ender2070using this logic we could call iphones consoles tooJan 16 20:05
Diablo-D3ender2070: apple would like you to think soJan 16 20:06
ender2070apple can kiss my ass, its a glorified phoneJan 16 20:06
ender2070lolJan 16 20:06
Diablo-D3wellJan 16 20:06
Diablo-D3imo its not a phoneJan 16 20:06
Diablo-D3it has a phone app, sureJan 16 20:06
Diablo-D3but that doesnt make it a phoneJan 16 20:06
Diablo-D3its a mobile web browser.Jan 16 20:06
ender2070you wouldn't buy it if you weren't planning on making calls with itJan 16 20:06
MinceRmost featurephones are "mobile web browsers" then :>Jan 16 20:07
Diablo-D3MinceR: yup.Jan 16 20:07
Diablo-D3ender2070: actually, I'd buy one _just_ for the browserJan 16 20:07
cubezzz"The PS2 is the best-selling console to date, having reached over 138 million units sold as of August 18, 2009"Jan 16 20:07
Diablo-D3I dont actually need any of the other featuresJan 16 20:07
MinceRi don't think the point of the hypePhone to any hypePhone owner is making callsJan 16 20:07
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yes, but look at the time periodJan 16 20:07
MinceRthe point is belonging to a particular cultJan 16 20:07
ender2070waste of moneyJan 16 20:07
Diablo-D3cubezzz: it took _forever_ for it to catch up to the snes.Jan 16 20:07
ender2070you can buy a netbook and get way more features, cheaper and without paying apple any moneyJan 16 20:08
MinceRgetting a shiny and useless piece of crap with a crApple logo on it for a truckful of moneyJan 16 20:08
cubezzz9 years approxJan 16 20:08
cubezzzhow many copies of windows has been sold, dare I ask? Jan 16 20:08
MinceRand winblows can't be a console because it doesn't contain hardwareJan 16 20:08
ender2070windows is just softwareJan 16 20:09
ender2070console is hardwareJan 16 20:09
MinceRwindows is malware :>Jan 16 20:09
cubezzzyeahJan 16 20:09
ender2070that tooJan 16 20:09
Diablo-D3actuallyJan 16 20:09
Diablo-D3thats a good questionJan 16 20:09
Diablo-D3how many copies of windows have been sold since win95Jan 16 20:09
ender2070not every copy of windows was purchased for gaming eitherJan 16 20:09
MinceRi think a better question is how many copies of winblows were sold as an actual product as opposed to being foisted on people buying PCsJan 16 20:09
Diablo-D3ender2070: trueJan 16 20:10
Diablo-D3and I bet most gamers pirated itJan 16 20:10
*Diablo-D3 has.Jan 16 20:10
ender2070heckJan 16 20:10
ender2070I know tons of gamers who just pirate themJan 16 20:10
MinceRit's better to pirate it than to buy itJan 16 20:10
cubezzzok, even better question...Jan 16 20:10
Diablo-D3I wont pay for it until they fix the bugsJan 16 20:10
cubezzz"how many retail box copies of windows has been sold?"Jan 16 20:10
ender2070I wouldn't even steal windows, it's not worth itJan 16 20:10
Diablo-D3ender2070: wellJan 16 20:11
Diablo-D3I wanna play hl2 with cm10Jan 16 20:11
MinceRno need to steal it if you can copy it :>Jan 16 20:11
Diablo-D3wine64 doesnt handle hl2 64 right yetJan 16 20:11
ender2070the amusing part about pirated windows is that its more customer friendly than legal windows - no activation required, you can change your hardware at will, etcJan 16 20:11
cubezzza lot of folks in here seem to get windows for free Jan 16 20:12
MinceRnot just in hereJan 16 20:12
ender2070cubezzz - i got it free legallyJan 16 20:12
MinceRthey keep trying to bribe professionals with gratis copiesJan 16 20:12
ender2070i have one gaming box, quarantined off my network which I use for the occasional gamesJan 16 20:12
cubezzzcan you imagine people lining up to buy win95?Jan 16 20:12
cubezzzthat happenedJan 16 20:13
cubezzzStart me up! ;-)Jan 16 20:13
ender2070my win95 was on 13 floppy disksJan 16 20:13
ender2070my 386 didnt have a cd romJan 16 20:13
MinceRiirc it was the first winblows version with that magnitude of hype around itJan 16 20:13
*Diablo-D3 installs steam next.Jan 16 20:13
MinceRi never had win95Jan 16 20:13
MinceRnor win95 osr2Jan 16 20:13
cubezzzwin95 was horribleJan 16 20:14
*Diablo-D3 had win95Jan 16 20:14
Diablo-D3on a p133Jan 16 20:14
Diablo-D3it actually wasnt that badJan 16 20:14
ender2070I had OS/2 Warp 3 but I couldn't get on dialup with itJan 16 20:14
MinceRhow so?Jan 16 20:14
ender207030 floppy disksJan 16 20:14
ender2070it didnt come with a dialerJan 16 20:15
MinceRoh.Jan 16 20:15
cubezzzI remember the weird floppy format Microsoft usedJan 16 20:15
ender2070it was more network orientedJan 16 20:15
cubezzz1995 is when everything went kind of sourJan 16 20:15
ender2070I remember fighting with trumpet winsock on win3.11Jan 16 20:15
ender2070so I could use ICQJan 16 20:15
Diablo-D3I remember doing dialup in dosJan 16 20:16
Diablo-D3so I could play descent 2 via kaliJan 16 20:16
cubezzzyeah wellJan 16 20:16
MinceRi remember dialing into BBSes in dosJan 16 20:16
cubezzzI remember 300 baud :)Jan 16 20:16
ender2070I dialed into BBSes in dos tooJan 16 20:16
ender2070I know a BBS that is STILL onlineJan 16 20:16
*Diablo-D3 's earliest was 2400 baudJan 16 20:16
ender2070http://homeward.homestead.com/ - Still has 2 lines, and 1 telnet lineJan 16 20:17
cubezzzthere was this cradle for your receiver... :)Jan 16 20:17
cubezzzit wasn't prettyJan 16 20:17
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yes, we've all seen wargamesJan 16 20:17
ender2070homeward bound has like a million door gamesJan 16 20:17
ender2070tons of old dos software in its file areaJan 16 20:18
ender2070the OS it has is OS/2 Warp 4Jan 16 20:19
ender2070lolJan 16 20:19
cubezzzbut the earliest box I had was TRS-80 Model 1Jan 16 20:19
ender2070my first pc was advanced in comparisonJan 16 20:19
MinceRmy first box was a Sinclair ZX SpectrumJan 16 20:19
MinceR:>Jan 16 20:19
ender2070386 SX 20 Mhz, 2mb ram, 20mb hddJan 16 20:19
ender2070I upgraded the ram to 8mb for win95Jan 16 20:20
cubezzzyou can't get much shittier than TRS-80 Model 1 believe meJan 16 20:20
ender2070also upgraded the foot-long 9600 bps modem to a 14.4k modemJan 16 20:20
cubezzzthe movie TRON gives a good look at early computer techJan 16 20:22
ender2070"Dude man, call me 'the dude' dude."Jan 16 20:22
MinceRMr. The DudeJan 16 20:25
MinceR(full name: The Postal Dude, Jr.)Jan 16 20:25
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rnbhttp://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/charlie-hardy/2010/01/dark-ages-awaiting-enlightenment-usaJan 16 20:32
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schestowitz[20:03] <ender2070> schestowitz - you have the timeline? you have my permission to publish it if you want.Jan 16 20:35
schestowitzAs guest post?Jan 16 20:35
ender2070sureJan 16 20:38
ender2070ill brb, just installed kde 4.4 rcJan 16 20:39
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schestowitzWhaoJan 16 20:40
schestowitzLessig.org is downJan 16 20:40
schestowitzLike it's permanentJan 16 20:40
schestowitzhttp://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/netroots_nation_keynote.htmlJan 16 20:40
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ender2070kde 4.4 ftwJan 16 20:53
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schestowitzPolished?Jan 16 20:57
ender2070get new stuff crashesJan 16 20:57
ender2070it seems pretty polished thoughJan 16 20:58
ender2070the fonts look betterJan 16 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Don't get an SLR - choose EVIL! http://j.mp/6mKP2tJan 16 21:27
phIRCe-localTitle: 5 Reasons to Ditch Your Digital SLR | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 102.83 KBJan 16 21:27
MinceRi've never heard of shallow depth of field being considered an advantage beforeJan 16 21:35
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schestowitzMinceR: re fonts?Jan 16 21:37
MinceRre camerasJan 16 21:37
MinceR(DSLR vs EVIL)Jan 16 21:37
schestowitzender2070: how' Fedora?Jan 16 21:40
schestowitz*how'sJan 16 21:40
ender2070running nicelyJan 16 21:40
ender2070despite running kde-unstableJan 16 21:40
ender2070only get new stuff crashedJan 16 21:40
ender2070the rest seems solidJan 16 21:40
ender2070KDE 4.4 RC1Jan 16 21:41
ender2070100% mono-free :DJan 16 21:41
ender2070mmmmmm window groupingJan 16 21:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] extremely bored and annoyed with being ill. also the house is a pit. f is watching a play fishville and making her tap the starfish off.Jan 16 22:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Playing ker-plunk with no children on sight. Shhhh, don't tell.Jan 16 22:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ahem Articulate clue from wifey "it's the space name for your arse"Jan 16 22:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Uranus. He got it too.Jan 16 22:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | I'm Getting Sick Of The GNU People On Identi.ca | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yam8l4cJan 16 22:42
phIRCe-localTitle: I'm Getting Sick Of The GNU People On Identi.ca | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 19.39 KBJan 16 22:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] MiFi Attack Exploits GPS To Reveal User's Location - sounds like fun for a battered wife trying to escape http://tinyurl.com/yzg7yx3Jan 16 22:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brandon Lozza on the past 6 months’ attacks on Richard Stallman and against Free software http://ur1.ca/jzvtJan 16 22:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Latest Twidroid update is ridiculously crashy. Why do all Twitter apps suck ass at some point. Yes. All of them.Jan 16 22:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | MiFi Attack Exploits GPS To Reveal User's Location .::. Size~: 85.61 KBJan 16 22:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Readers Article: Alternate Time-lines | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.86 KBJan 16 22:43
MinceRschestowitz: there's an extra "t" in the picture on http://ur1.ca/jzvtJan 16 22:44
phIRCe-localTitle: Readers Article: Alternate Time-lines | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.86 KBJan 16 22:45
schestowitzMinceR: oops!Jan 16 23:00
schestowitzNot a big dealJan 16 23:00
MinceRindeedJan 16 23:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Should Learn from #Novell ’s Mistakes http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/16/planet-suse-dot-not/Jan 16 23:09
phIRCe-localTitle: GNOME Should Learn from Novells Mistakes | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.59 KBJan 16 23:10
*FurnaceBoy|afk is now known as FurnaceBoyJan 16 23:15
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/own-the-coolest-jet-on-your-block/Jan 16 23:18
phIRCe-localTitle: $5M Buys the Ride of Your Life | Autopia | Wired.com .::. Size~: 88.62 KBJan 16 23:18
schestowitzhttp://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/HSPrOEltjos/Code-Used-To-Attack-Google-Now-PublicJan 16 23:19
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schestowitzThe MSpecimen...Jan 16 23:19
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_lucid_alpha2&num=1Jan 16 23:20
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 2 Benchmarks With Early Fedora 13 Numbers .::. Size~: 19.73 KBJan 16 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Kill me. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/26593.htmlJan 16 23:21
phIRCe-localTitle: reddragdiva | Kill me. .::. Size~: 26.81 KBJan 16 23:21
schestowitzIndustrial Strength Ubuntu?Jan 16 23:21
*FurnaceBoy read that above as "$5m buys the bride of your life"Jan 16 23:21
schestowitzhttp://madhatter.ca/?p=111Jan 16 23:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Facebook+McAfee=Morons «  Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 12.92 KBJan 16 23:27
rnboh my god, david ulevitch is on my hit list nowJan 16 23:28
rnbhe sold everydns to dyndnsJan 16 23:29
rnband now their stupid-ass nameservers keep failingJan 16 23:29
MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/37/Jan 16 23:31
phIRCe-localTitle: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe .::. Size~: 8.07 KBJan 16 23:31
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/16/goodbye_steve_wozniak/ "It's time to file each and every story about Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak into the circular "Who Gives a Flying Fuck?" bin."Jan 16 23:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Steve Wozniak, your time is up • The Register .::. Size~: 32.13 KBJan 16 23:33
MinceR:>Jan 16 23:33
MinceRhe won't be missedJan 16 23:33
schestowitzMinceR: he ate too many macintoshesJan 16 23:34
schestowitzAn apple a day keeps the doctor perpetually at your bayJan 16 23:34
MinceRstill, we could annoy crApple fanboys with the fact that apparently one of their idols prefers an android phone to the hypePhoneJan 16 23:34
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/16/nasa_nebula/Jan 16 23:34
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MinceRif it's private, is it really a cloud? :>Jan 16 23:35
schestowitzObamabuntu! :-D http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/16/nasa_nebula/Jan 16 23:36
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ext2fsd http://ext2fsd.com is the only ext2/3 driver for Windows that still works rightJan 16 23:36
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schestowitzMinceR: yesJan 16 23:36
MinceRDiablo-D3: what happened to ext2 IFS?Jan 16 23:36
schestowitzFog Computers are not about privacy or ownershipJan 16 23:36
tessier__This Google/China thing is yet more good ammo against proprietary software and for Linux.Jan 16 23:36
tessier__http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/34765.html Jan 16 23:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Dan Walsh's Blog - If only there was  a tool that could sandbox the reading of random pdf files... .::. Size~: 15.25 KBJan 16 23:36
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tessier__http://danwalsh.livejournal.com/31146.htmlJan 16 23:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Dan Walsh's Blog - Cool things with SELinux...  Introducing sandbox -X .::. Size~: 32.71 KBJan 16 23:37
tessier__Read your pdf's in a sandbox restricted to doing only things pdf readers should be able to do and you are set.Jan 16 23:37
schestowitztessier__: more Firefox downloaders in Germany today......Jan 16 23:37
schestowitz"The government told us......"Jan 16 23:37
Diablo-D3MinceR: wont mount modern ext3s.Jan 16 23:37
tessier__It is looking more and more like sandboxing and segmentation (of networks, machines, application domains, etc.) are the only way we are going to make progress in security.Jan 16 23:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yep :)Jan 16 23:37
Diablo-D3MinceR: it also bsoded w7 during uninstallJan 16 23:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: SOME SANITY at lastJan 16 23:37
schestowitz"Sep. 16th, 2009"Jan 16 23:38
MinceRDiablo-D3: icJan 16 23:38
MinceRthat sandbox -X thing looks really cool.Jan 16 23:39
schestowitzMinceR: that's a sweet arse-postJan 16 23:39
schestowitzhttp://xkcd.com/37/Jan 16 23:39
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/15/oasma_photoshopped/Jan 16 23:40
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MinceR:)Jan 16 23:40
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1587362/google-versus-china-row-rollsJan 16 23:40
phIRCe-localTitle:             Google versus china row rolls on - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 72.64 KBJan 16 23:40
schestowitzI wish the German authories advised people to download Fedora or something,Jan 16 23:41
schestowitz!google taxpayers germany windows malwareJan 16 23:41
phIRCe-local[1] - Germany pays to clean malware from Windows PCs | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/12/microsoft-welcomes-germany-ridding-citizen-pcs-of-malware.arsJan 16 23:41
phIRCe-local[2] - Germany pays to fix Microsoft users' computers Boing Boing | http://boingboing.net/2009/12/08/germany-pays-to-fix.htmlJan 16 23:41
phIRCe-local[3] - Germany to clean citizens PCs of Malware - BETTERANTIVIRUS.COM | http://www.betterantivirus.com/nod32-and-virus-news/archives/1458-Germany-to-clean-citizens-PCs-of-Malware.htmlJan 16 23:41
phIRCe-local[4] - Germany funds microsoft stuff-ups - The Inquirer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565351/germany-funds-microsoft-stuff-upsJan 16 23:41
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/haiti-40000-buried-100000-dead/Jan 16 23:42
phIRCe-localTitle: Haiti: 50,000 bodies found, final toll could be 200,000 |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 49.02 KBJan 16 23:42
schestowitz"We have already collected around 50,000 dead bodies; we anticipate there will be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead in total although we will never know the exact number."Jan 16 23:42
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schestowitzKatrina got a lot more coverage than thisJan 16 23:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: of course it did.Jan 16 23:43
schestowitzWell, in the English papers at leastJan 16 23:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you sound surprisedJan 16 23:43
schestowitzCause it's white peopleJan 16 23:43
oiaohmhttp://ostatic.com/blog/sos-f-oss-how-do-we-recognize-projects-in-peril  Jan 16 23:43
schestowitzHaiti is one of the big victims of foreign interventionJan 16 23:43
phIRCe-localTitle:  SOS F/OSS! How Do We Recognize Projects in Peril?  .::. Size~: 34.96 KBJan 16 23:43
FurnaceBoy....even moreso, AMERICAN White people. the most valuable sort of people.Jan 16 23:43
schestowitzBut this chaos was seismological Jan 16 23:44
FurnaceBoybut actually, plenty of blacks in KatrinaJan 16 23:44
MinceRusian white people, that isJan 16 23:44
FurnaceBoywhich is why it got headlines of the wrong kind but little actual helpJan 16 23:44
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tessier__schestowitz: Katrina got a lot more coverage in the US because it happened to the US. Third world nations fall over and die all the time it seems so it isn't as newsworthy.Jan 16 23:44
schestowitzI thought Katrina was used to 'sell' racismJan 16 23:44
schestowitztessier__: yesJan 16 23:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: exist some pretty horrifying accounts of the "shoot to kill" that went on down there.Jan 16 23:45
schestowitzIt shows this ideas that some lives are worth more than others in world perceptionJan 16 23:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: over-armed white cops just firing randomly Jan 16 23:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: speaking of which, Blackwater is already earning in HaitiJan 16 23:46
schestowitzI didn't know thatJan 16 23:46
schestowitzThere's hunger alreadyJan 16 23:46
schestowitzFamine evenJan 16 23:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: follow @mparent77772Jan 16 23:46
schestowitzIS that you?Jan 16 23:46
FurnaceBoynoJan 16 23:46
schestowitzDo you have an account?Jan 16 23:46
FurnaceBoyyes. i follow YOU :)Jan 16 23:46
FurnaceBoyi'm @qu1j0t3Jan 16 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxIJan 16 23:47
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_goblinhi allJan 16 23:47
FurnaceBoy"Third      │Jan 16 23:47
FurnaceBoy                          world nations fall over and die all the time it seems so it isn't as newsworthy" <-- no, it's not newsworthy until it happens to an AmericanJan 16 23:47
_goblinbtw in most engagements its always "shoot to kill" otherwise another tactical option is considered.Jan 16 23:47
FurnaceBoy_goblin: em? engagement?Jan 16 23:48
FurnaceBoy_goblin: it was a hurricane.Jan 16 23:48
FurnaceBoy_goblin: not repelling an invasionJan 16 23:48
_goblinI read your comment of:Jan 16 23:48
schestowitzI've added you to this channel's feedJan 16 23:48
_goblinexist some pretty horrifying accounts of the "shoot to kill" that went on down there.Jan 16 23:48
FurnaceBoy_goblin: yes. Hurricane KATRINA. Not a war zone.Jan 16 23:48
_goblinah....Jan 16 23:48
FurnaceBoy_goblin: though, the troops turned it into one.Jan 16 23:48
_goblinjust joined....Jan 16 23:48
FurnaceBoy_goblin: like I say.. exist some horrifying accounts... of what happened in Katrina. I might be able to find the one I mean.Jan 16 23:49
FurnaceBoyit was in some major outlet , like WIREDJan 16 23:49
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/haitian-star-wyclef-jean-pulls-bodies-rubble/Jan 16 23:49
phIRCe-localTitle: Haitian star Wyclef Jean pulls bodies from rubble |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 23.84 KBJan 16 23:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: thanks :DJan 16 23:50
_goblinyeah the point I was making (in reference to engagement) was that generally you don't shoot if you don't intend to kill.....didn't realize you had another topic going.Jan 16 23:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: another one you might like: @LucidGlowJan 16 23:50
schestowitzAdded.Jan 16 23:52
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/stewart-to-robertson-shut-your-pie-hole/Jan 16 23:52
phIRCe-localTitle: Stewart to Robertson: Shut your pie hole, old man  |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 39.24 KBJan 16 23:52
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/186979/npd_december_2009.html?tk=rss_newsJan 16 23:55
phIRCe-localTitle: NPD: Record-Breaking Wii, PS3 Sales in December - PC World .::. Size~: 70.08 KBJan 16 23:55
schestowitzxbox miaJan 16 23:55
schestowitzIs any data being gather on volcanic eruptions and earthquakes and _how they vary_ over the years?Jan 16 23:58
schestowitz*gatheredJan 16 23:58
schestowitzI doubt man can change much. The Earth is VERY deep with many gravitons... unlike the tender atmosphereJan 16 23:59
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/187021/google_hacked_because_workers_used_microsoft_ie.html?tk=rss_newsJan 16 23:59
phIRCe-localTitle: Google Hacked Because Workers Used Microsoft IE - PC World .::. Size~: 65.57 KBJan 16 23:59

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