| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v9sCo7xZK0&feature=related | Jan 22 00:03 |
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| _goblin | not much going on in here tonight! | Jan 22 00:19 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Jan 22 00:20 |
| _goblin | slow news day? | Jan 22 00:20 |
| _goblin | just been debating proprietary software in Ubuntu.... | Jan 22 00:20 |
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| DaemonFC | what about it? | Jan 22 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | There's tutorials all over about how to jury rig things into running | Jan 22 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | half the time they fail spectacularly, leading to user frustration | Jan 22 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | and there's really not that many proprietary programs with a license permitting redistribution, which run on Linux, which are of much significance | Jan 22 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | the worst thing they could do is already done, Mono | Jan 22 00:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Alright, let's study the dissenting judges opinion http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/21/citizens-united/ #scotus | Jan 22 00:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Attacks #Linux -powered Devices with #Patents Once Again, Unprovoked http://ur1.ca/ke9u #tivo | Jan 22 00:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Judge Stevens: "While American #democracy is imperfect,few..would have thought its flaws included a dearth of corporate #money in #politics" | Jan 22 00:28 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Attacks Linux-powered Devices with Patents Once Again, Unprovoked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.58 KB | Jan 22 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | groklaw says it has nothing to do with Linux | Jan 22 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | besides, who cares what happens to Tivo? | Jan 22 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | no matter who wins, we lose | Jan 22 00:37 |
| _goblin | daemonfc: In respect of proprietary I think you are missing the point. Photoshop (rightly or wrongly) is often cited as the reason for staying with the Windows platform. If Photoshop was a native Linux binary I think that would have a great impact on the take up of Linux but users who are only suffering Windows because they need Photoshop | Jan 22 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Jerry Springer slapfights can be fun to watch, but they don't have implications for most people | Jan 22 00:39 |
| _goblin | *"but" should read "by" | Jan 22 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: I don't think that | Jan 22 00:39 |
| _goblin | why? | Jan 22 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | Photoshop is heavy duty software used by a handful of professionals | Jan 22 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | You wouldn't go pay $800 for it and neither would I | Jan 22 00:40 |
| _goblin | check out even your average Windows advocate.....they always cite 3rd party proprietary products as a reason to stay with Windows. I personally wouldnt shell out $800 for Photoshop, but I know many people who have or want to. | Jan 22 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | most people using Photoshop download it off file sharing sites, crack it, and don't care that it's overkill cause they didn't pay for it | Jan 22 00:40 |
| _goblin | I couldn't comment on that, but like I say there must be some people buying Photoshop else Adobe wouldn't make it.....those users may be only sticking with Windows because of that. | Jan 22 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think it would bring a small handful of people to Linux, but I would be glad for a major company doing ports of software that's a household name | Jan 22 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's always a help to be in the news | Jan 22 00:42 |
| _goblin | and if you are right and nobody want to buy it whats the problem with it being present in the repositories? | Jan 22 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: They make a light edition that goes for like $70-80 | Jan 22 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | but it has less features than the GIMP | Jan 22 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | it wouldn't be in the repository as such | Jan 22 00:42 |
| _goblin | I wouldn't know....I have no intentions of ever using Photoshop. I don't even use Gimp. | Jan 22 00:42 |
| _goblin | ok...in the software center. | Jan 22 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | it would be in Canonical's store, as a DEB file | Jan 22 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | for after you paid for it | Jan 22 00:43 |
| _goblin | we don't know how they would sell it yet. | Jan 22 00:43 |
| _goblin | and infact its only a survey | Jan 22 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | it kind of makes you wonder what kind of nasty DRM they'd port to Linux to "protect" it | Jan 22 00:43 |
| _goblin | true... | Jan 22 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | I just have my suspicions given how difficult it is to crack Windows software of that price | Jan 22 00:44 |
| _goblin | but even if that was true, I go back to my original point of, whats the harm? Many Linux users are already using proprietary software in conjunction with FOSS. | Jan 22 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | they're not just going to let an unprotected DEB float around the internet | Jan 22 00:45 |
| _goblin | Im sure they wouldn't | Jan 22 00:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] sophisticated #Intel developer tools - a good start in encouraging fence-sitting ISVs to take #Linux seriously? http://bit.ly/5CE98H | Jan 22 00:46 | |
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| MinceR | they are not in the position to prevent it | Jan 22 00:47 |
| _goblin | take Wine for instance...is that popular because people want to run FOSS Windows binaries or is it popular because they are desperate to get Windows proprietary software running in Linux. | Jan 22 00:47 |
| MinceR | just like in the case of the winblows version. | Jan 22 00:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Linux in demanding real world apps - Dreamworks case study. http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/optimizing-without-breaking-a-sweat/ | Jan 22 00:47 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Optimizing Without Breaking a Sweat - Intel® Software Network .::. Size~: 72.54 KB | Jan 22 00:47 |
| _goblin | I'd suggest native Photoshop is a far better position than a Wine Photoshop. | Jan 22 00:47 |
| MinceR | and i agree | Jan 22 00:48 |
| _goblin | in terms of mainstream market penetration. | Jan 22 00:48 |
| _goblin | of Linux | Jan 22 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14318 | Jan 22 00:48 |
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| MinceR | there's a much higher chance and expectation of getting the damn thing work (to some extent -- remember, this is photoshop, and also, an adobe product) | Jan 22 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | considering that the CS4 version does not work in Wine.... | Jan 22 00:48 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: I am not doubting it works through Wine | Jan 22 00:48 |
| MinceR | if someone shells out $800 because he can't be bothered to learn something else, he probably wants to be assured that he'll be able to run it | Jan 22 00:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The WETA render farm used by #Avatar. http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/12/22/the-data-crunching-powerhouse-behind-avatar/ | Jan 22 00:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Data-Crunching Powerhouse Behind Avatar « Data Center Knowledge .::. Size~: 72.52 KB | Jan 22 00:49 |
| _goblin | Im saying IF people are using WINE to run it, then a native version is a far better position for Linux than having to run it through Wine. | Jan 22 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | most ratings are "garbage", tons of bugs filed | Jan 22 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's not very encouraging that it will work soon | Jan 22 00:50 |
| _goblin | so there you go, consumer need. | Jan 22 00:50 |
| _goblin | whilst the FOSS ethos is great, we have to be realistic that for whatever reason people may want to run proprietary software of their choice. | Jan 22 00:50 |
| _goblin | we can debate the rights and wrongs of that all day but the hard facts are, if Linux doesn't offer the software people want, they wont come over. | Jan 22 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | ReactOS is rebasing a lot of stuff on Wine | Jan 22 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | which I'm taking as a sign that 0.6 may actually do useful things | Jan 22 00:51 |
| _goblin | We can but hope that as they experience more of the FOSS model they embrace it and see the FOSS solutions which are equally as great. | Jan 22 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | a GPL'd Windows would be kind of neat | Jan 22 00:52 |
| _goblin | Isn't that Tomato Garden ? ;) | Jan 22 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing is that it's not as much work as you would think | Jan 22 00:53 |
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| DaemonFC | they don't have to re-implement stupid shit that nothing uses | Jan 22 00:53 |
| _goblin | and how would Microsoft make money from a GPL'd version of Windows? | Jan 22 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: They wouldn't | Jan 22 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's what ReactOS aims to be | Jan 22 00:54 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Jan 22 00:54 |
| _goblin | I'll have to look back at ReactOS....name is ringing a bell, Im sure Ive covered it..... | Jan 22 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | it does run some Windows stuff | Jan 22 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | some old games even | Jan 22 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | like really old | Jan 22 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | most of what's holding it back is that it can't use Windows graphics drivers | Jan 22 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | they've basically used a lot of stuff from Linux and Wine, with their work thrown in to fill the gaps | Jan 22 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | ReactOS Explorer can be used as a shell for Windows | Jan 22 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | I use it on XP | Jan 22 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | much less bloated than Microsoft's shell | Jan 22 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | uses lots less RAM even | Jan 22 00:59 |
| _goblin | but then isn't a combination of Wine, Dosbox and ScummVM just as effective as ReactOS...its very simple to make your DE look like Windows if you really want to. | Jan 22 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jan 22 01:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Common #Lisp is #Zen, innit. *appeals to Erik Naggum's shade* | Jan 22 01:04 | |
| DaemonFC | it uses parts of Wine, but it's not Wine | Jan 22 01:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@MSF_USA 900+ patients having passed through Doctors Without Borders surgical facilities // do you do digital record keeping? how? | Jan 22 01:05 | |
| DaemonFC | I gather that they don't run into some of Wine's limitations imposed on it by rinning in the confines of Linux and an X server | Jan 22 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | *running | Jan 22 01:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mparent77772 I guess @BillGates won't be tweeting without pants // because the Emperor has no clothes at all #windows #microsoft #byebye | Jan 22 01:07 | |
| _goblin | I'd be interested to see what ReactOS does that my combination cannot....that being said, projects like Reactos surely prove the need for some 3rd party mainstream apps (both proprietary and not) to get over to Linux natively? | Jan 22 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Wine_on_ReactOS.svg | Jan 22 01:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@drgrist @DonBlankenship said water pollution from mercury is just something RFK "found on the internet." // wants to cherry pick #science | Jan 22 01:12 | |
| DaemonFC | either way would be nice, but I would prefer everything to go to Linux since ReactOS will have thousands of viruses on day 1 | Jan 22 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 01:12 |
| _goblin | probably...but then maybe thats a selling point for Windows advocates to use? "You can't get our malware/exploits on your Linux platform....people like getting scammed and ripped off, theres none of that on Linux" | Jan 22 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | well when Microsoft spends more efforts denying there's a problem than fixing the problem....... | Jan 22 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | not encouraging | Jan 22 01:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Open source PRIDE: #Ubuntu #Linux runs on ALL of the rendering nodes & 90% of the desktops at #Weta Digital. #Avatar #District9 #movies #cgi | Jan 22 01:14 | |
| _goblin | Maybe we could make SWINE, the fork of WINE that is also compatible with Windows Malware. | Jan 22 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: Better yet, Wine: Black Edition (fully activated) and put it on Bittorrent | Jan 22 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | you have malware bundled with it | Jan 22 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 22 01:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Cutting #Salt Would Be a Lifesaver for Americans http://bit.ly/5E2Zwa (you won't even miss it) #health #food | Jan 22 01:16 | |
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| _goblin | DaemonFC: You say about Microsoft denying problems....you forgot the followup which is "Microsoft blames......" | Jan 22 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | blames the guy that told the public about the bug after waiting on Microsoft to do something about it for 8 months | Jan 22 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 01:18 |
| _goblin | "Microsoft blames its customers for being silly enough to use its products" | Jan 22 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://schlicken.blogsome.com/images/diet_coke_bacon.jpg | Jan 22 01:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Threatens #FreeSoftware in New Zealand, the #Rambus Extortion Racket Expands http://ur1.ca/ked2 | Jan 22 01:31 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Patents Roundup: ACTA Threatens Free Software in New Zealand, the Rambus Extortion Racket Expands, and Google Earns New Monopoly | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.98 KB | Jan 22 01:31 |
| MinceR | ew | Jan 22 01:34 |
| schestowitz | They finally added something relatively healthy :-D | Jan 22 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Relatively. | Jan 22 01:36 |
| MinceR | and something that almost certainly doesn't taste good in cola | Jan 22 01:40 |
| schestowitz | "Updated ur1.ca/jtms : #Canonical is now encouraging #Ubuntu users to use proprietary software from IBM. #Red_Hat history repeats itself." http://identi.ca/notice/19447629 | Jan 22 01:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Tuesday, 19-Jan-10 17:15:29 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.69 KB | Jan 22 01:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe | Jan 22 01:42 |
| schestowitz | If you wants fuel, it's good | Jan 22 01:42 |
| schestowitz | cola is poor water, many acids, and artificial sugar | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | It's taste over health | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/uva-engineers-find-significant-environmental-impacts-algae-based-biofuel.html | Jan 22 01:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UVa engineers find significant environmental impacts with algae-based biofuel | ScienceBlog.com .::. Size~: 25.1 KB | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | What a stupid idea | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Making fuel from biology | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Like the corn ideas | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | RMS complains about it too | Jan 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Oil cannot be digested without heavy treatment | Jan 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Which itself rrequires oil | Jan 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | People can process algae to make food | Jan 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | It's part of the food chain | Jan 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | But here we are burning oil to make crops and now thinking of using those crops to make fuel rather than food (fuel for the body) | Jan 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Recipe for famine | Jan 22 01:44 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8467472.stm | Jan 22 01:45 |
| _goblin | and very smelly exhaust fumes | Jan 22 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | Self-maintaining, until something breaks of course | Jan 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: airborne chemicals | Jan 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | In water too, not just air | Jan 22 01:46 |
| schestowitz | UK water has a lot of chlorine | Jan 22 01:46 |
| schestowitz | The chemical giants also put cyanide in our water that's in circulation, leading to birth defects and other issues we rarely think about | Jan 22 01:46 |
| MinceR | actually biofuel can made from stuff you can't use as fuel | Jan 22 01:46 |
| MinceR | on soil you can't use to grow food on | Jan 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | "Closely tied up with Microsoft" http://www.silicon.com/technology/hardware/2010/01/21/asus-what-will-be-the-next-netbook-39745351/print/ | Jan 22 01:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Asus: What will be the next netbook? | Hardware | silicon.com .::. Size~: 13.01 KB | Jan 22 01:47 |
| MinceR | also, it's basically carbon neutral | Jan 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | GMO foods are said to deplete the soil | Jan 22 01:48 |
| MinceR | not an ideal solution, but one of the best things you can do to current internal combustion engines :> | Jan 22 01:48 |
| _goblin | I'd love to comment on this subject but Ive no real knowledge on such matters. | Jan 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz | So it's a short-term investment that poisoned the land | Jan 22 01:48 |
| MinceR | afaik monoculture depletes the soil, GMO or not | Jan 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Too little research on it, but 6+ billion people are now part of the experiment \o/ | Jan 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, too few crops | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Also more prone to disease | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | It makes the germs capable of adapting to a crop | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Their goal is to maximize growth | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | It's in their DNA | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | They don't have harmony with crops programmed onto them | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Except in the equilibrium sense | Jan 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | So if you limit potato growth to just 4 types, you're f*ed | Jan 22 01:50 |
| schestowitz | See what happened in Ireland not so long ago | Jan 22 01:50 |
| schestowitz | About a million people died in a draught cause they didn't diversity | Jan 22 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Many fled to Britain's mainland | Jan 22 01:50 |
| schestowitz | And Monsanto is now repeating the same mistakes and making them worse | Jan 22 01:50 |
| MinceR | and we've already seen what we get if GMO crops aren't tested for whether the poisons they manufacture are hazardous to the people eating them | Jan 22 01:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222400062 | Jan 22 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | This lady has a lot of power | Jan 22 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Which is funny, cause I think zoobab would have done a better job (his English is better too) | Jan 22 01:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: people are externalities to Monsanto, except the people who are investors (they probably grow organic anyway cause they can afford it) | Jan 22 01:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/manchester-united-bans-twitter-facebook-for-players/?cs=38887 | Jan 22 01:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Manchester United Bans Twitter, Facebook for Players | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 78.55 KB | Jan 22 01:57 |
| schestowitz | What a scam | Jan 22 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Football has turned into tribal adoration of men by men | Jan 22 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Primal roots returned to | Jan 22 01:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588075/bt-announces-superfast-pricing | Jan 22 01:59 |
| MinceR | food is always organic, except table salt and water | Jan 22 02:01 |
| MinceR | it has to be, as we aren't plants :> | Jan 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | "Organic" was warped in this way by the Monsanto lobby | Jan 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | It's a game of semantics | Jan 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | They would say, "we don't want our stuff to be seen as alarmingly different" | Jan 22 02:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/ie_emergency_patch_released/ | Jan 22 02:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Emergency IE patch goes live as exploits proliferate • The Register .::. Size~: 29.79 KB | Jan 22 02:05 |
| _goblin | lol | Jan 22 02:05 |
| _goblin | Steve Ballmer not listed in the top 50 CEO's | Jan 22 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto 'f00d' belong in a jar, not in a plate. It should be treated like a dead embryo | Jan 22 02:05 |
| _goblin | http://hbr.org/2010/01/the-best-performing-ceos-in-the-world/sb1 | Jan 22 02:06 |
| schestowitz | And that's just the gripe with the food, not with the criminal activities of the company | Jan 22 02:06 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: he is a bad CEO | Jan 22 02:06 |
| MinceR | "organic" is a chemistry term. :> | Jan 22 02:06 |
| schestowitz | It's not a least for CEOs of bis companies, but surely they rule out small companies because those lists are always about firms that are not obscure | Jan 22 02:06 |
| MinceR | always was. | Jan 22 02:06 |
| schestowitz | It's like the Oscars.. all for useless publicity... some due this with brand value | Jan 22 02:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I have an idea | Jan 22 02:07 |
| _goblin | Steve Jobs took no 1 spot | Jan 22 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Label GMO-infected food "made with alien crops" | Jan 22 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Alien as in outlandish, unfamiliar | Jan 22 02:07 |
| _goblin | awww | Jan 22 02:07 |
| schestowitz | "use at your own risk" | Jan 22 02:08 |
| _goblin | not as in Dalek? | Jan 22 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Sign waiver at the counter | Jan 22 02:08 |
| MinceR | i don't find it too convincing | Jan 22 02:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm partly joking | Jan 22 02:08 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, I wish to avoid all that bad food | Jan 22 02:08 |
| schestowitz | It's being pushed into Africa and India now | Jan 22 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Pearly the crook helps it happen | Jan 22 02:08 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that'll give them some pageviews from members of the Apple Cult | Jan 22 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Top in terms of /what/? | Jan 22 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Pay? | Jan 22 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Fame? | Jan 22 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Performance? | Jan 22 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Kidney vitality? | Jan 22 02:09 |
| schestowitz | It's all just "junk food" ladders | Jan 22 02:10 |
| _goblin | I hope it does give them views/publicity........(I'll explain) | Jan 22 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Like beauty pageants for old men in suits | Jan 22 02:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/firefox_three_dot_six_release/ No hype this time around | Jan 22 02:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Firefox 3.6 goes live and final • The Register .::. Size~: 27.69 KB | Jan 22 02:10 |
| schestowitz | 3.0 broke the Guinness record | Jan 22 02:11 |
| _goblin | the more we diversify the OS market the better for the end user, the more monopoly is taken away from one and split up, it matters not if its proprietary or FOSS.....its diversity that counts, diversity that will force open standards and diversity that prevents us from experiencing another Microsoft | Jan 22 02:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/bank_job_cuts/ | Jan 22 02:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lloyds, RBS ditching more tech workers • The Register .::. Size~: 27.45 KB | Jan 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: agreed | Jan 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't make it the goal | Jan 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | It makes it a mean | Jan 22 02:12 |
| schestowitz | Like school is usually a mean to achieving other things | Jan 22 02:13 |
| _goblin | the goal would be open standards and freedom of choice. Without one company owning the monopoly we can have that.... | Jan 22 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Not a 'grades factory' | Jan 22 02:13 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: choice between shackles | Jan 22 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Like the phone duopolies | Jan 22 02:13 |
| _goblin | true but then one could argue you are shackled by FOSS if you choose a 100% FOSS lifestyle.... | Jan 22 02:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/egypt_mobile/ | Jan 22 02:14 |
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| _goblin | look at the popularity of gnewsense.... | Jan 22 02:14 |
| _goblin | and look at the popularity of Ubuntu | Jan 22 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10438924-245.html | Jan 22 02:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft warns of flaw in 32-bit Windows kernel | InSecurity Complex - CNET News .::. Size~: 101.36 KB | Jan 22 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is not popular | Jan 22 02:14 |
| schestowitz | It's widely used | Jan 22 02:15 |
| _goblin | I think its quite clear that people want the best of both worlds and the freedom of chocie. | Jan 22 02:15 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, look how "popular" Windows is | Jan 22 02:15 |
| _goblin | its the first port of call for most newbies | Jan 22 02:15 |
| schestowitz | It's ubiquitous, like Swine FLu | Jan 22 02:15 |
| _goblin | it has many people championing it | Jan 22 02:15 |
| _goblin | I regard that as popular. | Jan 22 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Partly marketing | Jan 22 02:15 |
| _goblin | true... | Jan 22 02:15 |
| _goblin | but then concessions have to be made if any rival to MS is going to get off the ground | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Popularity is not measured this way | Jan 22 02:16 |
| _goblin | like backburning a fire | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | You need to survey actual users and see their opinions | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | A lot of Mandriva users really, really love Mandriva | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Many people love Rolex | Jan 22 02:16 |
| _goblin | i wouldnt suggest otherwise | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | But not many people wear a Rolx | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Does it mean that Rolex is unpopular? | Jan 22 02:16 |
| schestowitz | I love this one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/exeter_uni_malware_outbreak/ | Jan 22 02:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Exeter Uni goes offline to fight mystery malware • The Register .::. Size~: 25.84 KB | Jan 22 02:17 |
| _goblin | no, but if you were to pick 5 linux newcommers at random and ask them what they used.....how many do you think would be Ubuntu? - That to me is popular. | Jan 22 02:17 |
| _goblin | I can't base my opinion off stats, merely my own personal experience of Linux newcommers. | Jan 22 02:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/uk_plastic_fraud_hotspot/ | Jan 22 02:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Cardiff tops UK plastic fraud list • The Register .::. Size~: 25.37 KB | Jan 22 02:18 |
| schestowitz | No, depends on how you define popular | Jan 22 02:18 |
| _goblin | but the popularity between Ubuntu/Gnewsense was more to highlight the fact that the demand is not there for a 100% FOSS existance....I could have compared Mandriva, Mint or Fedora it doesn't matter. | Jan 22 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Like it depends on the definition of Freedom | Jan 22 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Which means different things to GNU and BSD | Jan 22 02:19 |
| _goblin | yep, but Im talking at a higher level...the user who cares not about src, merely the packages they use | Jan 22 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Gnewsense is popular among its users | Jan 22 02:19 |
| schestowitz | http://data.gov.uk/home | Jan 22 02:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Unlocking innovation | data.gov.uk .::. Size~: 18.26 KB | Jan 22 02:20 |
| _goblin | Im sure, but I don't think it can be suggested that a 100% Proprietary free existance is what the majority of Linux users want...look at the popularity of Wine, or Dosbox or emulation or even something as simple a gfx drivers. | Jan 22 02:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "#Toyota didn't tell where all the energy for their battery electric & fuelcell hybrids would come from" http://bit.ly/5M3QuO #peakoil #coal | Jan 22 02:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Energy Standard: Toyota - New Concepts & Peak Oil Admittance .::. Size~: 53.99 KB | Jan 22 02:22 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: true | Jan 22 02:22 |
| _goblin | Dont get me wrong, I think the FOSS model is far the better platform to aspire to but I think we need to be realistic and understand that there are still many facets of computing where people will want a proprietary solution (rightly or wrongly)...to deny them that I think puts Linux at a disadvantage. | Jan 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, if you were to do an experiment, you'd get your results depending on how you make up the methodology | Jan 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | You could prove anything given a method | Jan 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Statistics are not something that I trust | Jan 22 02:23 |
| _goblin | me neither. | Jan 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Just watch how the BPI lies about counterfeiting | Jan 22 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Like surveying 180 people, then extrapolating to 60 million from those | Jan 22 02:24 |
| schestowitz | And stupid MSBBC and others parroting the utter rubbish | Jan 22 02:24 |
| schestowitz | In scientific paper, everyone's own method is shown to be "best" based on some statistical analysis; the question remains, whose is the bestest [sic]? | Jan 22 02:26 |
| schestowitz | There are some surveys that are more independent from groups without their methods (i.e. no conflicts of interest), but it's tricky to implement and compare different methods | Jan 22 02:26 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: What did you make of the hacker case? The autistic chap (forgotten his name) | Jan 22 02:27 |
| schestowitz | People implement very poorly what they believe emulates other people's competitive methods and they sometimes conceal data or look for data which favours them | Jan 22 02:27 |
| schestowitz | The good scientists find out what causes issues rather than fit data to desired outcome | Jan 22 02:27 |
| schestowitz | McKinnon | Jan 22 02:28 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Ive been looking through some caselaw in regards to computer "crime"... | Jan 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | They should leave the lad alone | Jan 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | He was just playing | Jan 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | he helped them identify a flaw | Jan 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | They should be thankful he's not an agent for the KGB | Jan 22 02:28 |
| _goblin | I think the fact he is autistic coupled with the intention of looking for Aliens at worst should have been a UK case.... | Jan 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: his crime is that he changed their wallpapers and stuff | Jan 22 02:28 |
| schestowitz | He didn't mess up anything AFAIK | Jan 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Just a curious intruder | Jan 22 02:29 |
| _goblin | I understood he was looking for evidence of aliens | Jan 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | The one that breaks into your house through an open door and then gazes at your paintings | Jan 22 02:29 |
| _goblin | maybe proof of harmless intent | Jan 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | A harmless 13 year old... | Jan 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | The Pentagon craves a scapegoat | Jan 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: maybe the "Alien" thing is part of the defence | Jan 22 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Making him look demented | Jan 22 02:30 |
| schestowitz | To get him off easy | Jan 22 02:30 |
| _goblin | Ive been looking at some cases and it appears that computer sexual offences comitted on the net in the USA from the UK have been heard in a UK court... | Jan 22 02:30 |
| schestowitz | If he's into alien, then it's case discussed | Jan 22 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Then he's just infantile | Jan 22 02:30 |
| schestowitz | /discussed/dismissed/ | Jan 22 02:30 |
| _goblin | yes, but...the issue is the action, not the intended results (if we are looking at the computer misuse act) | Jan 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll become famous like Mitnick | Jan 22 02:31 |
| _goblin | for example, me hacking your site to correct a spelling mistake. | Jan 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Who is now on Twitter BTW | Jan 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I only found out yesterday | Jan 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | It's not just intent | Jan 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | It's what you do | Jan 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Some crackers just leave a note to say they vicited | Jan 22 02:32 |
| _goblin | thats what I say.....action not intended results. | Jan 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Some resort to using it for cybercrime and defacement | Jan 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Gary didn't do much | Jan 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | He swapped wallpapers and 'read around' | Jan 22 02:32 |
| _goblin | agreed.....the fact that he is autistic is another factor. | Jan 22 02:33 |
| schestowitz | And he exploited obviously insecure boxed] | Jan 22 02:33 |
| schestowitz | *xes | Jan 22 02:33 |
| _goblin | as I say, other "cybercrime" commited from the UK, has been dealt with quite fairly in the UK courts. | Jan 22 02:33 |
| _goblin | I cannot understand why they want to get him to the USA. | Jan 22 02:34 |
| _goblin | where he could face a disproportionate sentence. | Jan 22 02:34 |
| schestowitz | More "statistics" and alarming new headline these generate: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8470631.stm | Jan 22 02:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 98.58 KB | Jan 22 02:34 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: me neither | Jan 22 02:34 |
| _goblin | In the UK he would be looking at max 6 months (IMO) more than likely suspended for 2 years. | Jan 22 02:34 |
| schestowitz | I never looked that up | Jan 22 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Internet Explorer 8 got 5 stars from CNET, users gave it 2 stars | Jan 22 02:34 |
| schestowitz | But the UK already swaps a lot of data with the US | Jan 22 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | discrepancy anyone? | Jan 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: do you know that some RAF bases here are fake? | Jan 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | They are US bases | Jan 22 02:35 |
| _goblin | - | Jan 22 02:35 |
| _goblin | no comment | Jan 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Some even retain transatlantic E-mail | Jan 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that's a fact thoug | Jan 22 02:35 |
| _goblin | I cant comment...sorry. | Jan 22 02:36 |
| schestowitz | No comment is needed, groups have already exposed this by infiltrating | Jan 22 02:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 22 02:36 |
| _goblin | I think Roy you already have a good idea of what I do..... | Jan 22 02:36 |
| _goblin | but please don't say | Jan 22 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I knew I should not have brought it up | Jan 22 02:36 |
| schestowitz | I have a friend here who was in the British army fighting in Kuwait... | Jan 22 02:37 |
| schestowitz | There's regrets over this... | Jan 22 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Nokia launches Ovi maps to challenge to sat-navs http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8472165.stm | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Nice... | Jan 22 02:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 98.63 KB | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | You know what GPS is good for? | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Tracking people | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Now only where they are at any moment | Jan 22 02:38 |
| _goblin | Schestowitz: by whom? | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | We have cellphones for that | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | You can also see which positions they are interested in (data on demand) | Jan 22 02:38 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: the Big Brother{Tm} | Jan 22 02:38 |
| _goblin | Schestowitz: ah | Jan 22 02:39 |
| _goblin | who's that then? | Jan 22 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Jan 22 02:39 |
| schestowitz | You could specify a rule, "give me IPs of all people who zoom into Baghdad" | Jan 22 02:39 |
| schestowitz | There's post morten of crime that points fingers at electronic maps | Jan 22 02:39 |
| schestowitz | You get the perpetrators IPs and then look back at logs | Jan 22 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Google has MASSIVE logs | Jan 22 02:40 |
| _goblin | but then thats a little different to big brother....thats more of a technique to form a military strategy. | Jan 22 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Analytics, mail, Maps/Earth.... | Jan 22 02:40 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: | Jan 22 02:40 |
| schestowitz | !google paul airport arrested | Jan 22 02:40 |
| schestowitz | Oops. It doesn't work from server side.... | Jan 22 02:40 |
| _goblin | and if you think about it, is it any different to the police observing a drugs adress, benefit office observing benefit cheats.... | Jan 22 02:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/18/paul-chambers-twitter-air_n_426881.html | Jan 22 02:41 |
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| _goblin | its just using tech to do something people are already doing. | Jan 22 02:41 |
| schestowitz | They do a self-censorship thing, like in China | Jan 22 02:41 |
| schestowitz | People must be careful what they read/watch/say | Jan 22 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Even if there is no ill intent | Jan 22 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Cause they are being watched | Jan 22 02:42 |
| schestowitz | If not in real time, then deferred so to speak | Jan 22 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Based on many triggers | Jan 22 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Like "give me list of anyone who searches for "dirty bomb"" | Jan 22 02:42 |
| _goblin | but as I said to you before....imagine if you were the officer that was looking at the message.....if there was even just a 0.00001% chance that it was real, would you take the risk of not doing something? | Jan 22 02:42 |
| schestowitz | So scientists who are interested in the subject are being flagged already | Jan 22 02:43 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no need to arrest | Jan 22 02:43 |
| _goblin | really? | Jan 22 02:43 |
| schestowitz | They could come over politely and speak to him | Jan 22 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Judges of character | Jan 22 02:43 |
| _goblin | we live in a world of backcovering..... | Jan 22 02:43 |
| schestowitz | And they'd see he's harmless | Jan 22 02:43 |
| _goblin | would you really take the chance? | Jan 22 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Only some serial killers -- not suicide bombers -- are sometimes smart enough to appear normal | Jan 22 02:44 |
| _goblin | and under PACE guidelines you would need to arrest to interview. | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | [02:43] <_goblin> we live in a world of backcovering..... | Jan 22 02:44 |
| _goblin | (unless he was a caution+2 interview which is pointless) | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | TERROR~1 is not a top threat | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Cancer is one | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Car accidents | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Class struggles | Jan 22 02:44 |
| _goblin | tell that to a police officer who doesn't arrest a potential threat. | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Which mean brawls in streets | Jan 22 02:44 |
| schestowitz | BOmbs and a very, very rare incident | Jan 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | The counterpane at BT agrees | Jan 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: they should also arrest other threats | Jan 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | That cause deaths | Jan 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Like Monsanto execs | Jan 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft execs caused enormous damage too | Jan 22 02:45 |
| _goblin | but then that falls out of the knowledge/experience of the average officer. | Jan 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | They should identify mortal threats | Jan 22 02:45 |
| _goblin | as great as the UK police are, they cannot be experts in all subjects. | Jan 22 02:46 |
| schestowitz | And then ask, based on priority, how do we prevent it/ | Jan 22 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Haiti was like 15 9/11s | Jan 22 02:46 |
| schestowitz | And now the military took over the country, which is outrageous | Jan 22 02:46 |
| _goblin | Roy, I think the misconception about policing is that its no longer a force, its a service. | Jan 22 02:46 |
| _goblin | and by that the UK is policed by consent. | Jan 22 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Excessive enforcement erodes trust | Jan 22 02:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't need to tell you that there's growing unrest among the British public wrt police | Jan 22 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Jan 22 02:47 |
| schestowitz | I would not give them any eyewitness testimonies to them, either | Jan 22 02:47 |
| _goblin | and a flippant disregard or dismissal of laws erodes the effectiveness of any such laws. | Jan 22 02:47 |
| schestowitz | ANd then there's the Tomlinson [spelling] incident from G8 | Jan 22 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | they disarmed you, what are you going to use, schestowitz? | Jan 22 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | foul language? | Jan 22 02:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: shut up, man :-) | Jan 22 02:48 |
| _goblin | but what is excessive enforcement? Its hard to quantify in an umbrella statement. | Jan 22 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they aren't scared of you | Jan 22 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Annie, get your gun! | Jan 22 02:48 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: like in Iraq | Jan 22 02:49 |
| schestowitz | Blair helped fabricate excuse for entry | Jan 22 02:49 |
| schestowitz | Government and police are tied | Jan 22 02:49 |
| _goblin | each incident must be judged on its merits and the officers concerned brought to task if its deemed excessive. | Jan 22 02:49 |
| schestowitz | By the army | Jan 22 02:49 |
| schestowitz | And it's seen as aggression that has only increased the threat of terrorism | Jan 22 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | they have batons, tasers, flash bang grenades, smoke grenades, pistols, and shotguns | Jan 22 02:49 |
| schestowitz | AFAICT, there has been far greater risk and reports of terror in the UK since the Iraq war began, as the UK government expected | Jan 22 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | were you planning to use Drunken Boxing? | Jan 22 02:50 |
| _goblin | that cannot be argued (by me anyway) | Jan 22 02:50 |
| schestowitz | In other words, a concious risk was taken knowing it would harm security rather than improve it | Jan 22 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Mind you, I supported the Iraq invasion | Jan 22 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause I believed the propaganda | Jan 22 02:50 |
| schestowitz | The bunk | Jan 22 02:50 |
| _goblin | a difficult one..... | Jan 22 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm just basically trying to explain why terror (or "War on Terror{TM}") was made | Jan 22 02:51 |
| schestowitz | There's a history of intervention prior to it, going back at last to 1953 | Jan 22 02:51 |
| schestowitz | How many operations of terror have been foiled and how many were not? | Jan 22 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | tyranny typically ensues when they disarm the peasants and make it illegal for them to defend themselves | Jan 22 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you the BBC's "power of nightmares" | Jan 22 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't expect anything less | Jan 22 02:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA | Jan 22 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | disarming civilians has nothing to do with stopping violent crime | Jan 22 02:52 |
| _goblin | What I will say is this......Im certainly not impartial when talking about the armed services. I cannot really comment on the rights and wrongs of the conflict. What I can say is that there is much going on behind the scenes which the average joe will never find out about.....does this justify foriegn policy...I couldn't comment, but at some point we have to put faith in people on the ground who make the real decisions in the | Jan 22 02:53 |
| _goblin | se conflicts. | Jan 22 02:53 |
| schestowitz | HEre is the BBC quoting the propaganda ministers for the MAFIAA: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8471290.stm | Jan 22 02:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 98.29 KB | Jan 22 02:54 |
| schestowitz | They should also post articles contradicting this | Jan 22 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: How many things can be improvised into a weapon in a pinch? | Jan 22 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | things they can't make you fork over | Jan 22 02:54 |
| _goblin | anything | Jan 22 02:54 |
| schestowitz | " there is much going on behind the scenes which the average joe will never find out about...." | Jan 22 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Like the Blair correspondence about making fake reasons to enter Iraq | Jan 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Before 9/11 even | Jan 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Blair wanted regime change | Jan 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm pro-Labour BTW | Jan 22 02:55 |
| _goblin | I would mean that both for the good and for the bad..... | Jan 22 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I still say it's an amazing coincidence that you got Bush/Blair/Harper/Howard all there at the same time | Jan 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX starts sounding like an NRA nutter | Jan 22 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's like everyone got their own mini-bush | Jan 22 02:55 |
| _goblin | and I can't say what I vote, but I will say I fully champion George Galloway. | Jan 22 02:55 |
| _goblin | his ethos of respect | Jan 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | He's OK | Jan 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | I like it when he's shouting /less/ | Jan 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Seeing him in the House of Lords makes me nervous. It's like he's gonna scream at some stage. | Jan 22 02:57 |
| _goblin | like I say I support his ethos of respect and despite what you agree or disagree with him on, he has conviction in what he says.....oh and his expenses claims were £0 | Jan 22 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | You never hear anyone asking why the US started it and then go on to ask why their own government couldn't be more willing to help, do you? | Jan 22 02:57 |
| _goblin | Putting another head on for a second (and I stress this is my view alone) | Jan 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX fantasises about armed rebellion with his fellow Obamabooster :-) | Jan 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: rename to "hyydra" | Jan 22 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | Fox? pffft | Jan 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: that's you | Jan 22 02:58 |
| _goblin | I think the USA's problem is that they never learnt from Vietnamm. The American's believed tech would win that war and have never accepted "boots on the ground" was what is required. | Jan 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Cambodia too | Jan 22 02:59 |
| _goblin | now we have a modern day conflict with pretty much the same parameters. | Jan 22 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I am not Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Brit Hume...... | Jan 22 02:59 |
| schestowitz | sliding some rounds off the b52sa | Jan 22 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] OMG, I'm shocked! DFS doesn't understand why "COLA advocate$¨ (his words) don't contribute to Novell/SUSE. | Jan 22 02:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Why would you even compare me to them? | Jan 22 02:59 |
| _goblin | who? What? | Jan 22 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's a Republican news channel, or Teabaggers | Jan 22 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Spilling pennies from Heaven | Jan 22 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | You must be THIS stupid to watch this network | Jan 22 03:00 |
| _goblin | I don't think the USA is "bad" though, anymore than the UK. | Jan 22 03:00 |
| _goblin | its the troops and innocents that suffer for the decisions of those in power. | Jan 22 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: soldier = needed a job, found one | Jan 22 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's not their fault | Jan 22 03:01 |
| _goblin | ? | Jan 22 03:01 |
| _goblin | certainly not. | Jan 22 03:01 |
| _goblin | A soldiers duty is clear. To follow orders. You cannot have an army with any other ethos. | Jan 22 03:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu8PJBRa60s | Jan 22 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's not as if even German soldiers post-WW II were lynched | Jan 22 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | the people that told them what to do or directly supervised it were lynched or imprisoned | Jan 22 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | as it should be | Jan 22 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | the tragedy is that we can't lynch Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, hell, the whole damned cabinet | Jan 22 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | and every person in Congress that voted for this | Jan 22 03:04 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: lynching is never "as it should be" - Brought to trial by their peers is what it should be. | Jan 22 03:04 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Are you American? | Jan 22 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | ok, they were court ordered to hand by the neck until dead | Jan 22 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | *hang | Jan 22 03:05 |
| _goblin | difference to being lynched though......trial, finding of guilt, punishment | Jan 22 03:06 |
| _goblin | or indeed finding of innocence.... | Jan 22 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the term is a little different here though in use | Jan 22 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | when execution by hanging was recognized, the papers would say the person was lynched | Jan 22 03:06 |
| _goblin | ah....talking of the USA, to me having the right to arms is inconcievable....... | Jan 22 03:07 |
| _goblin | I cannot imagine that over in the UK | Jan 22 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: violent crime would go down | Jan 22 03:08 |
| _goblin | really? | Jan 22 03:08 |
| _goblin | tell me how many fatalities are there through gun crime in the USA | Jan 22 03:08 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: DaemonFOX brags about carrying a loaded gun when he goes to bars | Jan 22 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there would be shootings, but the body count in total would go down | Jan 22 03:08 |
| _goblin | or do your criminals merely forget their right to a gun and use harsh words. | Jan 22 03:08 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Do you have a weapon? | Jan 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Not the one he wants | Jan 22 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: felony conviction can permanently remove your right to have any kind of firearm | Jan 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | He wants fully automatic one | Jan 22 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | it means nothing | Jan 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Banned for civilians | Jan 22 03:09 |
| _goblin | oh God. | Jan 22 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's like losing your driver's license | Jan 22 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | you can still drive | Jan 22 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | all the drunks drive, they don't care if it's legal | Jan 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | He carries his gun in the car too | Jan 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Tell him, DaemonFOX | Jan 22 03:09 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Can you even imagine what its like to end a life? | Jan 22 03:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: we had this discussion here 2 days ago | Jan 22 03:10 |
| _goblin | ah | Jan 22 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | nope, and I hope nobody forces me to find out | Jan 22 03:10 |
| _goblin | well get rid of your gun and you won't have to. | Jan 22 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it's their mistake if it happens | Jan 22 03:10 |
| _goblin | no. | Jan 22 03:10 |
| _goblin | it will be yours | Jan 22 03:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm just relieved he's far away in Indiana :) | Jan 22 03:10 |
| _goblin | killing someone is like a tatoo you hate but nobody can see....it taints you.... | Jan 22 03:11 |
| _goblin | it lives with you.....it makes you dirty.....You never want to be in that situation. | Jan 22 03:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: your tax dollar at work: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/21/AR2010012101604.html | Jan 22 03:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Hi Point .45 ACP with standard 9 round clip | Jan 22 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's cheap, but surprisingly accurate and durable | Jan 22 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | never had it jam | Jan 22 03:13 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/exclusive-kucinich-shreds-democrats/ | Jan 22 03:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Exclusive: Kucinich shreds Democrats for betraying the promise of change | Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.56 KB | Jan 22 03:13 |
| *Tallken has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 22 03:13 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I wanted Kucinich to win the primary | Jan 22 03:14 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/largest-health-insurers-profits-rise-30-percent/ | Jan 22 03:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Largest US health insurers profits rise 30 percent | Raw Story .::. Size~: 36.13 KB | Jan 22 03:14 |
| schestowitz | That's your tax money | Jan 22 03:14 |
| _goblin | "Hi Point .45 ACP with standard 9 round clip" - lol.... | Jan 22 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans tried to get together and vote for Hillary Clinton just to give the Democrats an unelectable ticket | Jan 22 03:14 |
| _goblin | get rid of your weapons it makes me sad to hear people talk like that. | Jan 22 03:15 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/mormon-plausible-deniability-antigay-effort/ | Jan 22 03:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mormon church wanted plausible deniability on anti-gay effort | Raw Story .::. Size~: 41.17 KB | Jan 22 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Novell has many Mormons | Jan 22 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: Most third party clips are 10 round | Jan 22 03:15 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: we told him to throw it at a lake | Jan 22 03:15 |
| schestowitz | Firearms are sold over the counter | Jan 22 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | only at gun shows | Jan 22 03:16 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: You don't need to talk firearms to me. | Jan 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's where the criminals like to get them | Jan 22 03:16 |
| schestowitz | When I bought an air rifle (recreational in Florida) there was no "cooloff period" restriction though | Jan 22 03:16 |
| _goblin | daemonFC: Ive seen first hand the destruction they cause....if only it was like the movies eh? | Jan 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | an air rifle? | Jan 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's all? | Jan 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | a 16 year old can buy one of those | Jan 22 03:16 |
| _goblin | and kill another with one. | Jan 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | put an eye out maybe | Jan 22 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 22 03:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's the national sport, so whatt he heck | Jan 22 03:17 |
| _goblin | it doesn't matter if its a GAT or an SA80.....no need for guns. | Jan 22 03:17 |
| schestowitz | The other national sport is shopping | Jan 22 03:17 |
| _goblin | table tennis is a far better national sport than shooting. | Jan 22 03:17 |
| _goblin | or gold | Jan 22 03:17 |
| _goblin | *golf | Jan 22 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | the steel pellets hurt a little | Jan 22 03:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Everything is OK 5 - Child Soldiers < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1qAR1pdiGY > | Jan 22 03:18 |
| schestowitz | British army brings gun glamour to kids | Jan 22 03:18 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: shame the SA80 is prone to jaming.... | Jan 22 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'd rather have something less powerful that didn't jam if it came to it | Jan 22 03:19 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: or the body armour is completely ineffective against an AK47 which can go through a car engine. | Jan 22 03:19 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: start here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1qAR1pdiGY#t=360 | Jan 22 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | what are you going to say "Hold on while I figure this out"? | Jan 22 03:19 |
| schestowitz | It's 6th minute | Jan 22 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | supposedly my vest can handle a shotgun blast | Jan 22 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to find out | Jan 22 03:22 |
| schestowitz | I never visited the AP site, I reckon.... http://www.ap.org/ | Jan 22 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | AP deserved to go out of business for attacking fair use | Jan 22 03:22 |
| _goblin | if its more than 10meters away, you would probably survive a shotgun hit anyway. | Jan 22 03:22 |
| _goblin | kevlar is it? | Jan 22 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jan 22 03:23 |
| _goblin | completely useless against a more common threat, the knife. | Jan 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: do you wear your vest to the bar too? | Jan 22 03:23 |
| _goblin | he probably could....they are quite thin | Jan 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | We could all chip in and buy you a bulletproof helmet for the bar too | Jan 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | See? Guns make people feel _a lot_ safer | Jan 22 03:24 |
| schestowitz | No inconvenience or increased risk either | Jan 22 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's a kevlar vest, not a flotation device | Jan 22 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | of course I could wear it under my normal clothing | Jan 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: in the US, never try to break up a fight in the streets | Jan 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Overflow/flood of arms | Jan 22 03:25 |
| _goblin | I think that rule should apply everywhere. | Jan 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | So you can't help strangers, either | Jan 22 03:25 |
| _goblin | for civilians. | Jan 22 03:25 |
| _goblin | for civies its not worth it...... | Jan 22 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Don't become involved in business that's not yours or someones you care about | Jan 22 03:26 |
| _goblin | and can often provoke further.....observe, report and be a witness, thats the best advice. | Jan 22 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | Why would I try to break up a fight between strangers? | Jan 22 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Good Samaritan? | Jan 22 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | shoot their kneecaps out | Jan 22 03:26 |
| _goblin | with what? | Jan 22 03:27 |
| *schestowitz sighs | Jan 22 03:27 | |
| _goblin | and how? | Jan 22 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | take my good samaritan award | Jan 22 03:27 |
| _goblin | you a marksman Daemon? | Jan 22 03:27 |
| _goblin | ever tried hitting a moving target the size of a kneecap? | Jan 22 03:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/333365/european_union_clears_oracle_purchase_sun?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 22 03:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: European Union clears Oracle's purchase of Sun - databases, mergers and acquisitions, mysql, oracle - Techworld .::. Size~: 51.39 KB | Jan 22 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | at several feet away, I could probably manage | Jan 22 03:27 |
| _goblin | doubt it. | Jan 22 03:27 |
| schestowitz | http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/01/youtube-to-sundance-independent.html | Jan 22 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC | shoot them in the ass | Jan 22 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 22 03:28 |
| _goblin | unfortunately life doesn't work like a Robocop movie. | Jan 22 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 22 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Robocop spreads the perception that Good Guys never get shot or wounded | Jan 22 03:29 |
| _goblin | and at several feet away you would probably take the bottom half of their leg off, not a nice clean hole to kneecap. | Jan 22 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | no, he got shot, at least a few hundred times | Jan 22 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Wildest Police Chase encourages the thought that Bad Guys never ever manage to get away | Jan 22 03:29 |
| schestowitz | They even make it explicit | Jan 22 03:29 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: You've never seen the trauma a bullet makes have you? | Jan 22 03:30 |
| schestowitz | Something like, "if you are running away from the police, you _will_ get caught" | Jan 22 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't care unless I'm the one that's shot | Jan 22 03:30 |
| schestowitz | Theme song "bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when they come for you" | Jan 22 03:30 |
| _goblin | but it makes your perception of "how things work" a little distorted. | Jan 22 03:30 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: DaemonFC's views highlight everything that is wrong in todays society. They live in a wibbley wobbly world where things happen nicely its all like the movies and it all goes according to plan. People don't take responsibility for their own actions and think that everything will be ok. It wont. I find these type of attitudes very sad. | Jan 22 03:32 |
| _goblin | unfortunately, by the time some people realize this it will be too late and they will be in court up on charges. | Jan 22 03:33 |
| _goblin | Sorry Roy. Rant over. I have a very anti-firearms stance.... | Jan 22 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | _goblin: It's pretty much a joke to be charged with misdemeanors unless you're an idiot | Jan 22 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | (or use the public defender) | Jan 22 03:34 |
| _goblin | I wouldn't regard shooting someone a misdemeanor. | Jan 22 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | no, but not always a crime | Jan 22 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | thief breaks into my house, sees me, comes after me, I shoot and kill him | Jan 22 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I have not committed a crime | Jan 22 03:36 |
| _goblin | please don't think like that. | Jan 22 03:36 |
| schestowitz | [03:34] <_goblin> Sorry Roy. Rant over. I have a very anti-firearms stance.... | Jan 22 03:36 |
| _goblin | what if it turns out the burglar was trying to feed his starving children? | Jan 22 03:36 |
| schestowitz | Same here | Jan 22 03:36 |
| schestowitz | Don't apologise | Jan 22 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | you should probably shoot to kill so they don't sue you | Jan 22 03:37 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy and I preached to DaemonFOX over this for hours | Jan 22 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | he gets a lawyer and they make him ham up the process of limping into the court room and lying about what happened | Jan 22 03:37 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: Speaking as someone who has seen the horrors of violence, take it from me, it isn't clever, it isn't nice and without going towards religion...it isn't right. | Jan 22 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the jury awards them all your stuff | Jan 22 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's better to just make sure he doesn't get back up | Jan 22 03:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh dear. | Jan 22 03:38 |
| schestowitz | Little Boy Heroically Shoots, Mutilates Burglar < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDWo6m5hbG4 > | Jan 22 03:38 |
| _goblin | like I say DaemonFC: what would you do if the person was stealing to feed his starving children? | Jan 22 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | then he picked the wrong person to steal from | Jan 22 03:39 |
| _goblin | Im sure his kids would not feel the same way. | Jan 22 03:39 |
| _goblin | ? | Jan 22 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | good for them? | Jan 22 03:39 |
| _goblin | I hope if ever you meet someone like yourself, they show more compassion than you do. | Jan 22 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't victimize people and try to excuse myself | Jan 22 03:40 |
| *schestowitz facepalms | Jan 22 03:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I lived in my car from when I was 16-halfway through 18 | Jan 22 03:40 |
| _goblin | I never said you did, but shooting someone to ensure they don't get up because you don't want to be sued is at best outragious. | Jan 22 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | and I didn't become some hood that breaks into peoples homes and steals things | Jan 22 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | the stealing to feed his family hypothetical is actually pretty lame | Jan 22 03:41 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: DaemonFOX was on parole | Jan 22 03:41 |
| _goblin | never said you did....but yet you seem to deem yourself as judge and jury. | Jan 22 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: informal probation | Jan 22 03:41 |
| schestowitz | He comes from a decent family, I can't understand him | Jan 22 03:41 |
| schestowitz | Here he is talking about VIsta 7 http://boycottnovell.com/videos/vista-7-review.ogg | Jan 22 03:42 |
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| DaemonFC | if it makes you feel any better, when you get into a fist fight the police arrest both of you | Jan 22 03:42 |
| _goblin | He needs a tour in theatre.....he'll snap out of his attitude very quickly. | Jan 22 03:42 |
| schestowitz | He's a clever guy, but f*ed up somewhere in the ethics dept. | Jan 22 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | I should find Jesus and ask him what to do | Jan 22 03:43 |
| schestowitz | He's on the new rifles | Jan 22 03:45 |
| schestowitz | http://video.foxnews.com/v/3976314/backlash-over-bible-codes-on-rifles/?playlist_id=87249 | Jan 22 03:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Backlash Over Bible Codes on Rifles - Video - FoxNews.com .::. Size~: 90.24 KB | Jan 22 03:45 |
| schestowitz | "Talk to the rifle!" | Jan 22 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: remember that 21 year old CEO of a defense contractor, was selling the US government ammunition for AK-47s to arm the Afghan army with? | Jan 22 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | only it was rounds made in China in 1968 | Jan 22 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Has someone tried this yet? http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/279383:mozilla-officially-releases-firefox-36 | Jan 22 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Your country no longer even produces its bullets? | Jan 22 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jan 22 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: We don't use those rounds | Jan 22 03:48 |
| schestowitz | I thought arms and "IP" was all the export left | Jan 22 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | you forgot subsidized agriculture | Jan 22 03:49 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone told me US unemployment (real numbers) hover around 20% | Jan 22 03:49 |
| schestowitz | How's that housemate of yours who had flu and debt? | Jan 22 03:49 |
| schestowitz | I hope she's doing well | Jan 22 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The numbers the government is ADMITTING TO is 15.8% in the town I live in | Jan 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | I got this really sad E-mail today | Jan 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | People worry for their families in this meltdown | Jan 22 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | and that's pretty typical of the entire state right now | Jan 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Yet you told someone you do well in this crisis | Jan 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Washington is going bankrupt | Jan 22 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Obama is funneling the stimulus money into non-existent projects | Jan 22 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | not all of it, just a lot of it | Jan 22 03:51 |
| _goblin | right Im off to bed.... | Jan 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linuxconfau-day-three | Jan 22 03:51 |
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| _goblin | Roy, pleasure as always. | Jan 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: banks are not "projects" | Jan 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | The are privately-owned tyrannies | Jan 22 03:51 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC: grow a pair, get rid of your weapons and have a little humanity. | Jan 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Almost $100,000,000,000 in bonuses this year | Jan 22 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They lie and say they sent the money to zip codes that don't exist | Jan 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | They did such a WONDERFUL jobs those bankers | Jan 22 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | where's it really going? | Jan 22 03:52 |
| schestowitz | That's just the few LARGE banks | Jan 22 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Getting their reward :-) | Jan 22 03:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think he's somewhat nihilistic | Jan 22 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Jan 22 03:53 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I think DaemonFC is somewhat nihilistic | Jan 22 03:53 |
| _goblin | and to everyone else..... in the words of a famous character from Red Dwarf - "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast" | Jan 22 03:53 |
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| DaemonFC | Stoke me a clipper | Jan 22 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 03:54 |
| schestowitz | 4 o'clock, it's tea time! | Jan 22 03:54 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/21/blippy.philip.kaplan/index.html | Jan 22 03:56 |
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| schestowitz | Smoke me a clipper and a CLippy | Jan 22 03:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/21/interview-with-boing.html | Jan 22 03:58 |
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| schestowitz | This on will get DaemonFOX excited: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/21/donate-20-to-haiti-g.html | Jan 22 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2010/01/invitation-to-test-mariadb-51-release.html | Jan 22 04:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=276909 "GPL licence with a level of service usually associated with commercial business software" | Jan 22 04:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Business Intelligence in Excel and on the Web: Jedox now Provides Supported Open Source Versions for Palo .::. Size~: 12.82 KB | Jan 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | What are they trying to say? | Jan 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | That GPL and "commercial business software" are contradictory? | Jan 22 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Jan 22 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | NoScript thinks Comcast.net is trying to use an XSS attack | Jan 22 04:46 |
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| DaemonFC | "But sir I did pay my bill on time and used the Ecobilling. I think you must have Throttled my connection and caused the payment to not go through. You guys really need to work on how you screw with the subs connection." | Jan 22 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jan 22 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20983591- | Jan 22 04:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Re: Ecobill - Comcast sent email pushing paperless bills - dslreports.com .::. Size~: 27.75 KB | Jan 22 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | Approved Browsers and Operating Systems For PC Users: •Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher or •Netscape Navigator 6.2 For Macintosh OS9 Users: •Netscape Navigator 6.2 or •Internet Explorer 5.0 or higher For Macintosh OSX Users: •Netscape Navigator 6.2 or •Internet Explorer IE 5.1 or higher | Jan 22 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's 2004ific! | Jan 22 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | "approved browsers" | Jan 22 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast has to approve what browser you use apparently | Jan 22 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | "If we make a change in the hardware or software requirements listed above and that change creates a material risk that you will no longer be able to access or retain the records described in Paragraph 2 above, we will provide you with an explanation of the revised hardware or software requirements necessary for your access and retention of such records and will ask you to confirm your consent to receipt of such records i | Jan 22 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | If they screw with the requirements to use their site and I can't log in to do anything, then I have to log in to the system I can't log into to ask them to give me paper billing back | Jan 22 04:55 |
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| TheMadHatter | Roy, you there? | Jan 22 05:06 |
| TheMadHatter | OK, guess not. FYI, Gill Bates has damned good connections with Arianna Huffington. She posts his wife's stuff. She posts his Dad's stuff. She posts Steve Ballmer's stuff. Now she's posting Billg's stuff. | Jan 22 05:07 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-gates/why-we-need-innovation-no_b_430699.html | Jan 22 05:07 |
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| TheMadHatter | Which is pretty disgusting. No, it's totally disgusting. I used to think Arianna was pretty smart, but this makes me think that she's totally out to lunch, and that you cannot trust anything | Jan 22 05:09 |
| TheMadHatter | from the Huffington post anymore. | Jan 22 05:09 |
| TheMadHatter | I mean, why, would anyone, allow a businessman who ran an organization that operated in a criminal manner, to use their publication that way? | Jan 22 05:14 |
| TheMadHatter | A person with consience wouldn't, and it looks like Arianna doesn't have a consience. | Jan 22 05:14 |
| TheMadHatter | Oh, and Bill is totally wrong. The article is about greenhouse gas reductions, and Bill is arguing that we need 80% by 2050. Unfortunately he's totally out to lunch as us | Jan 22 05:15 |
| TheMadHatter | as usual, and we really need 80% by 2030. What he is arguing is that he should be allowed to pollute for 20 years more. | Jan 22 05:16 |
| TheMadHatter | Which is probably good for Microsoft's bottom line, but is going to kill increasing numbers of their | Jan 22 05:16 |
| TheMadHatter | customers are storms caused by Climate Change do more damage. Of course that isn't Bills concern. Only his profits are. | Jan 22 05:17 |
| TheMadHatter | Sorry for the rant. I used to work in the emissions control industry. Whenever I see someone lying through their teeth about the consequences of not cutting | Jan 22 05:18 |
| TheMadHatter | emissions, I rant. Someday, someone might even listen. | Jan 22 05:18 |
| TheMadHatter | Good Night. | Jan 22 05:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.sphere.com/world/article/us-faces-down-concerns-its-occupying-haiti/19323698 | Jan 22 05:23 |
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| DaemonFC | "Regardless, Joyandet's comments have stoked ire among Americans proud of what their military is doing in Haiti. "One has to wonder if Minister Alain Joyandet perceived the U.S. Army as an occupying force in France in 1944-1945 when it liberated his country," wrote Tim McDonald, a columnist for Indiana's News and Tribune newspapers. " | Jan 22 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theadmonition.com/?p=2809 | Jan 22 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | According to Chavez, the earthquake was cause by the US firing one of our many top secret ion cannons at Haiti | Jan 22 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/18/haiti-haarp-and-cons.html | Jan 22 05:30 |
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| DaemonFC | What does this prove? That Chavez watched that episode of "Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura"? | Jan 22 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | They have cable in Venezuela to fuel his delusional thinking | Jan 22 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, this guy on Boing Boing is suggesting Aricept would help Pat Robertson. Aricept is a drug meant to slow down Alzheimers and other dementia, whereas Robertson was just as bad as this 10-20 years ago. | Jan 22 05:32 |
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| FurnaceBoy | that comment by "Tim McDonald" is beyond idiotic. the USA is not "liberating" Haiti now. comparisons are not valid. | Jan 22 06:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z re HuffPost. Dead to me now that @AriannaHuff is allowing @BillGates to disseminate his criminal tripe there | Jan 22 06:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@joanwalsh What's yr reaction to HuffPost giving a platform to übercriminal Gates? Gonna try & outdo them by syndicating Thomas Friedman? | Jan 22 06:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@joanwalsh actually you'd probably have to set up columns for Friedman, Cheney, Yoo, and Tony Blair to really beat that. #cynicism #money | Jan 22 06:52 | |
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| kecskebak | Good morning | Jan 22 07:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] firefox 3.6 is Out with New Web Fonts ( WOFF ) support http://bit.ly/5bu6dP | Jan 22 07:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Introduction to Free Software : Book By Free Technology Academy http://bit.ly/6Rygqx #FreeSoftware #OpenStandards | Jan 22 07:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] GNU/Linux Advanced Administration : Book By Free Technology Academy http://bit.ly/55Blpb #FreeSoftware #GNU/Linux | Jan 22 07:34 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: You gotta see this! http://jordanopensource.org/freeplanet/article/microsoft-confirms-17-year-old-bug-windows | Jan 22 08:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is John Barrowman. Oh, those legs! http://is.gd/6N76X | Jan 22 09:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] rt @donatelladr Al Jazeera adds new footage to the Al Jazeera Creative Commons repository http://bit.ly/7DuEUZ | Jan 22 09:43 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | HOLY SHIT | Jan 22 09:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats john barrowman? | Jan 22 09:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | captain jack harkness should not look good in a dress | Jan 22 09:44 |
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| Katonda | There is an interesting read about Clinton's speech | Jan 22 09:48 |
| Katonda | http://katonda.com/blog/595/will-clinton-free-world-software-dictatorship | Jan 22 09:48 |
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| Katonda | I have been tryin to educate people as much as can againts non-free | Jan 22 09:49 |
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| rnb | helloooooo | Jan 22 09:58 |
| rnb | oh for christs sake | Jan 22 10:02 |
| rnb | hugo chavez did not say the us government "zapped haiti with an earthquake gun" | Jan 22 10:02 |
| rnb | what happened is that ONE media outlet in venezuela ran a story that said that a RUSSIAN group had released a report saying that | Jan 22 10:03 |
| rnb | and i cant even find that story on that ONE media outlet in venezuela, it's been taken down, apparently (according to fox news) | Jan 22 10:03 |
| rnb | chavez hasnt said anything of the sort | Jan 22 10:04 |
| rnb | ironically, though, the news agencies here think everyone is ready to eat up chavez conspiracies, true or false, at any time | Jan 22 10:04 |
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| schestowitz | Typical | Jan 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | They distort what "bad" guys says | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | *say | Jan 22 10:39 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: ping | Jan 22 10:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#22%20January%202010%20%28New%20York%20Times%20against%20privacy%29 "I would not object to paying to see these news articles, if I could do so anonymously. But I absolutely refuse to identify myself to read the articles, and I fear that means I will be totally excluded. " | Jan 22 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: ACK | Jan 22 10:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: did you see the link? | Jan 22 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Good point from RMS. They could query to get a list of articles person X read, even ones he does not want to be seen rading | Jan 22 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, I wrote about it 2 days ago | Jan 22 10:58 |
| schestowitz | http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/01/oraclesun-merger-ok-by-eu-commission/ | Jan 22 10:58 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: by the way, this incendent adds up to the fact that M$ not only sucks and writing good code, but also bucks big time at dealing with the current security issues that keep rising almost daily. | Jan 22 11:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3] @joanwalsh What's yr reaction to HuffPost giving a platform to übercriminal Gates? ... | Jan 22 11:00 | |
| Omar87 | correction: "that M$ not only suck *at* writing code code.." | Jan 22 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it is | Jan 22 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it that it's not shocking | Jan 22 11:03 |
| schestowitz | I can find it if you're interested. I wrote about it alongside IE Fiasco (yes, capitalised) | Jan 22 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2010/01/21/eu-okays-proprietary-oracles-acquisition-of-open-source-mysql/ | Jan 22 11:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Sarkozy wants Internet Filtering: http://i5.be/al9 | Jan 22 12:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Ballad of the Patent Troll "From the largest corporations He extorts a patent toll": http://i5.be/ama | Jan 22 12:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Sarkozy wants Internet Filtering: http://i5.be/al9 | Jan 22 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/takedowns/music-publisher-tries-muzzle-podcast-criticizing-a http://techdirt.com/articles/20100120/1706147841.shtml | Jan 22 12:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] What is the business model of AllIsBlue? http://i5.be/amc | Jan 22 12:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] AllIsBlue attacks Belgacom and Rossel, opposition at the EPO pending (for ages): http://i5.be/amd | Jan 22 12:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187406/google_grows_revenue_and_profit_in_q4.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 22 12:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Opponents say E.U.-wide patent could lead to software patents: http://i5.be/ame | Jan 22 12:54 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 22 12:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik heb EINDELIJK een exemplaar van het Jubileum nummer van Linux Magazine kunnen bemachtigen. Lees het al sinds #2 jaargang 1 | Jan 22 13:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Mijn dank aan @digiplace die me er op heeft geattendeerd. Door Linux Magazine ben ik Linux ook daadwerkelijk gaan gebruiken :-p | Jan 22 13:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik kan het mij nog goed herinneren, hoe veel plezier ik had met SuSE 6.1 en Slackware 3.0, dat waren nog eens tijden ;-) | Jan 22 13:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] if everyone in the same timezone farted at the same time in the same direction, could the Earth's rotation be affected? #butterflyeffect | Jan 22 13:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Sinds een jaar of drie gebruik ik Ubuintu... Da's lekker makkelijk :-p | Jan 22 13:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Ew... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9VYKRHCqTo&feature=related | Jan 22 14:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JoGcV9gsJo#t=160 | Jan 22 14:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Imagine the ecological footprint of being @BillGates. All the planes, boats, cars, houses, staff. Probably equivalent to a small city. | Jan 22 14:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Imagine that: @BillGates, lifelong advocate of waste and embodiment of greed, wants us to "innovate" to preserve his obscene lifestyle. | Jan 22 14:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The best thing @BillGates can do for the planet right now is crash his plane into a mountain. He has nothing to tell us about sustainability | Jan 22 14:40 | |
| cubezzz | I tend to agree | Jan 22 14:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] And finally even @AriannaHuff bought his bullshit. | Jan 22 14:43 | |
| cubezzz | it's just that if you are the richest person on the planet people give more credence to your ideas | Jan 22 14:44 |
| cubezzz | generally people want more of everything | Jan 22 14:45 |
| cubezzz | Gates is merely an extreme example | Jan 22 14:45 |
| cubezzz | what makes people happy? A lot of the time they will say "more money" | Jan 22 14:46 |
| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv5u6-YPg1I&NR=1 | Jan 22 14:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "#Obama admin is negotiating trade agreements w/34 countries..text of which it refuses to make public" http://ur1.ca/kdjx /how is that legal | Jan 22 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 22 14:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's worse than that. there's nothing innocent about Gates' trajectory | Jan 22 15:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: at some point you stop caring what his motivations are and start looking for ways to limit the damage he does | Jan 22 15:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i couldn't give a frack whether he likes money or 12 year old russian hookers | Jan 22 15:08 |
| MinceR | http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3599/attachmenton.jpg | Jan 22 15:08 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: but he's one of the most destructive, cynical forces alive today (along with most of his peers) | Jan 22 15:08 |
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| cubezzz | I'd still rather know what he's up to | Jan 22 15:10 |
| cubezzz | not sure what I can do to limit his influence except talk up GNU/Linux and Wikipedia | Jan 22 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, i'm not sure either, but we need to find ways | Jan 22 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm still stunned that HuffPo would give him a platform. it beggars belief | Jan 22 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's as if they accept the whole package - Foundation, reputation laundering, everything. | Jan 22 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | ignoring that he's on the wrong side of almost every issue, that his whole career has been about waste, theft and crippling innovation, etc | Jan 22 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | that his Foundation is doing far more harm than good | Jan 22 15:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | (deliberately) | Jan 22 15:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I think he's as afraid as anybody else of what happens when oil runs out. But he will always be part of the problem, not any solution. He could have started working on that 30 years ago instead of building a criminal organization | Jan 22 15:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not like nobody saw it coming | Jan 22 15:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | he never lifted a finger to improve the world, only exploit it | Jan 22 15:14 |
| cubezzz | there was that shortage in the 70's actually | Jan 22 15:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | certainly there was. | Jan 22 15:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | but even without that, it's just simple common sense. | Jan 22 15:14 |
| cubezzz | well Samsung is going something big in Ontario soon | Jan 22 15:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am not sure which part of "finite and non-renewable ppl don't get' | Jan 22 15:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | same as COAL | Jan 22 15:14 |
| cubezzz | with wind power | Jan 22 15:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates has better information about how screwed we are. | Jan 22 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the subtext | Jan 22 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | and he's scared | Jan 22 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | because, like everyone else, he stands to lose "everything" | Jan 22 15:15 |
| cubezzz | he probably has his own private oil distillery or something | Jan 22 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | his "everything" is just more than yours or mine | Jan 22 15:15 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: no doubt he bought a pile of cheap oil. | Jan 22 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: but it won't save him from total systemic failure | Jan 22 15:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: well he'll reap what he sowed. | Jan 22 15:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: he did his best to break it | Jan 22 15:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: imagine how much fuel gates and entourage use. back of the envelope says as much as a small city | Jan 22 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: not to mention energy | Jan 22 15:17 |
| cubezzz | well since he's so smart, wouldn't he have done something with wind or solar power? | Jan 22 15:18 |
| cubezzz | not that I've heard anything | Jan 22 15:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft has a new license for exFAT, charging a flat $300,000 fee to manufacturers who want to use it in their products: http://i5.be/aml | Jan 22 15:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Indefinite detention without trial now an accepted part of US system @glenngreenwald http://bit.ly/5uaXWb | Jan 22 15:29 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: why would anyone look to bill gates for solutions and guidance about ANYTHING? the world is upside down. | Jan 22 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | it would be like asking the Kray brothers to help curing cancer. | Jan 22 15:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Paying attention to @BillGates on energy and climate change is like waiting for the Kray twins to produce a cure for cancer. | Jan 22 15:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I should give @BillGates more credit. He *did* innovate effectively in scale & efficiency of organised crime, not to mention getting away it | Jan 22 15:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] His company has served its purpose and will implode in a few yrs. Their business model is buried and the mastermind quit at the right moment | Jan 22 15:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @0r3z "I totally better get female nookie if I buy gay shoes." | Jan 22 15:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] RIM asks for software patent ona "proxy server to compress data before being wirelessly transmitted": http://i5.be/amn | Jan 22 15:47 | |
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| cubezzz | wow, I'm getting hits from bing :) | Jan 22 15:51 |
| cubezzz | funny | Jan 22 15:51 |
| cubezzz | but the torrent guys are picture scraping my site :-/ | Jan 22 15:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa Up. Distant horizon is bright! Bright glow! It is bright orb! // you totally need to meet @angrybigfoot #followfriday | Jan 22 16:00 | |
| rnb | good morning, everyone | Jan 22 16:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa Up. Distant horizon is bright! Bright glow! It is bright orb! //you totally need to meet @hellobigfoot #followfriday (correctd) | Jan 22 16:02 | |
| rnb | unbelievable scotus decision | Jan 22 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Jan 22 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | been a great week. | Jan 22 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Huffington Post is now syndicating Bill Gates. | Jan 22 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | is this not bizarro world? | Jan 22 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | lawlz | Jan 22 16:06 |
| rnb | not really, it makes perfect sense :( | Jan 22 16:06 |
| amarsh04 | Eruaran, your comment about 24 hours ago on Sage - was that Sage Accounting or Sage Automation? | Jan 22 16:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z @qu1j0t3 As far as the #Obama administration goes, adherence to the law is optional. // how do you explain #Bush then? (detentions) | Jan 22 16:07 | |
| rnb | as for huffington, she has been friends with bill gates forever, and a million other evil people | Jan 22 16:07 |
| amarsh04 | ah, ok, the accounting version | Jan 22 16:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z "policies that were wrong under George W. #Bush are no less wrong because Barack #Obama is in the White House." Bob Herbert, #NYT | Jan 22 16:08 | |
| rnb | what does that twitter remark mean? obama has continued, if not expanded, bush's policy of illegal, secret detentions | Jan 22 16:08 |
| rnb | sigh all this and i slept in too late :( | Jan 22 16:09 |
| rnb | corporations are people!! that makes sense! | Jan 22 16:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NwsTchnica: Txt msgs hlp imprv chldrns rdng ablty http://newstechnica.com/?p=1287 | Jan 22 16:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@joanwalsh not to nag, but would like to know your opinion on HuffPost syndicating Bill Gates. Or are you working on signing Kissinger? :| | Jan 22 16:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Txt msgs hlp imprv chldrns rdng ablty | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.73 KB | Jan 22 16:10 |
| rnb | a huge, multinational corporation is the exact same as any other person | Jan 22 16:10 |
| rnb | people eat breakfast, corporations eat breakfast | Jan 22 16:11 |
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| Diablo-D3 | people eat breakfast, corporations eat people | Jan 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | fixed | Jan 22 16:11 |
| Jose_X | what do you eat Diablo-D3 | Jan 22 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | people | Jan 22 16:11 |
| *Diablo-D3 is apparently a corporation | Jan 22 16:11 | |
| Jose_X | maybe this is old but: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100122/ap_on_hi_te/us_white_house_data | Jan 22 16:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Government posting wealth of data to Internet - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 106.22 KB | Jan 22 16:11 |
| Jose_X | http://www.data.gov/ | Jan 22 16:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Data.gov .::. Size~: 19.38 KB | Jan 22 16:11 |
| rnb | you know there are prison directories online? | Jan 22 16:12 |
| rnb | it shows inmates full name, location, *photo*, offense they are in for, everything | Jan 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah old news | Jan 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its pretty awesome | Jan 22 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | rnb: yup | Jan 22 16:12 |
| Jose_X | do you eat breakfast, Diablo-D3 | Jan 22 16:12 |
| rnb | i saw my uncle in there, a bunch of friends from high school, etc | Jan 22 16:13 |
| Jose_X | :) | Jan 22 16:13 |
| rnb | thats terrible | Jan 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | Jose_X: hurr. | Jan 22 16:13 |
| rnb | people go to jail, corporations go to ... | Jan 22 16:13 |
| rnb | oops, no they dont | Jan 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh, but corporations do go to jail | Jan 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called bankruptcy | Jan 22 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: yes he has (detentions). do you read Glenn Greenwald? | Jan 22 16:13 |
| rnb | thats not jail, thats bankruptcy | Jan 22 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a death sentence. | Jan 22 16:14 |
| rnb | people can go into bankruptcy too | Jan 22 16:14 |
| rnb | no, thats a death sentence | Jan 22 16:14 |
| *FurnaceBoy needs breakfast | Jan 22 16:14 | |
| Jose_X | 7 is death sentence 11 not | Jan 22 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | 11 is restructuring though | Jan 22 16:14 |
| MinceR | and the people who make decisions are unaffected | Jan 22 16:14 |
| Jose_X | except that there is frequently life after death among the body parts and mind | Jan 22 16:14 |
| Jose_X | Diablo-D3, isn't it convenient you can keep coming back in different bodies | Jan 22 16:15 |
| Jose_X | take Diablo-D1 for example | Jan 22 16:15 |
| Jose_X | I wish i had that ability | Jan 22 16:15 |
| *MinceR was Diablo-D2 once | Jan 22 16:15 | |
| MinceR | not on this network though | Jan 22 16:16 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: no, but i've seen some alerts about that come through my inbox | Jan 22 16:16 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: check greenwald's columns. freaking excellent. | Jan 22 16:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Arianna. am i the only one (and TheMadHatter) who is outraged? | Jan 22 16:17 |
| Jose_X | http://www.data.gov/catalog .. they have ratings star | Jan 22 16:18 |
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| rnb | is arianna supposed to be some kind of revolutionary or something? | Jan 22 16:18 |
| Jose_X | so i fyou want to find the good stuff, i guess you have to look for the 3 out of 5 star cases | Jan 22 16:18 |
| rnb | she's just a US liberal | Jan 22 16:19 |
| rnb | US liberals love bill gates | Jan 22 16:19 |
| Jose_X | how best to hide juicy bits against your company.. you give the site a tepid ranking | Jan 22 16:19 |
| Jose_X | people looking for bits will tend to ignore the vast tepid middle | Jan 22 16:19 |
| Jose_X | and if something is found, the unexciting ranking might get them to doubt themselves | Jan 22 16:20 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i'm looking through his thing on salon right now | Jan 22 16:20 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: never heard of him before | Jan 22 16:20 |
| Jose_X | see, i learned something from BN! | Jan 22 16:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Crack in the scientific journal racket: the death of journal impact, the rise of article impact http://is.gd/6Oqfn | Jan 22 16:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BMJ Group blogs: BMJ » Blog Archive » Richard Smith: The beginning of the end for impact factors and journals .::. Size~: 52.06 KB | Jan 22 16:21 |
| Jose_X | hey, the dataset will help stir the economy. | Jan 22 16:22 |
| Jose_X | Oh OH | Jan 22 16:24 |
| rnb | and i hate arianna's love affair with jon stewart, who i cant stand | Jan 22 16:24 |
| Jose_X | i tried to open an "xml" dataset further labeled "CSV" (for spreadsheets) and got a request for a .......... | Jan 22 16:24 |
| Jose_X | .exe download!!! | Jan 22 16:25 |
| rnb | yaawwwn i gotta wake up, someone help me | Jan 22 16:25 |
| rnb | jump out and scare me when i dont expect it | Jan 22 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i guess you are right, i expected too much from Arianna. anyway, screw the HP, i won't be back. | Jan 22 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: if Greenwald doesn't wake you up, nothing will :) he really kicks ass | Jan 22 16:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@BibleAlsoSays RT @kennethhynek ... // his plan to save marriage is presumably to "change the sexual mores" of American Christian wingnuts | Jan 22 16:30 | |
| Jose_X | can several of you do me a favor? | Jan 22 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | praps | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | WATCH OUT FOR THAT ..... | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | #^@! rnb%$% aborting.... | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | WATCH OUT FOR THAT ..... | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | #^@! rnb%$% aborting.... | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:33 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | WATCH OUT FOR THAT ..... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| rnb | well, i'm still sleepy but my hiccups went away :) | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| rnb | Jose_X: thanks | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | #^@! rnb%$% aborting.... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | WATCH OUT FOR THAT ..... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | #^@! rnb%$% aborting.... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | WATCH OUT FOR THAT ..... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: be careful what you wish for | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | #^@! rnb%$% aborting.... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | WATCH OUT FOR THAT ..... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | rnb | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | #^@! rnb%$% aborting.... | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | ok, now you cater to me | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | :-P | Jan 22 16:34 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: guess so! | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | seriously though | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | i just posted a comment to the gov site for not providing text files but instead .exe files | Jan 22 16:34 |
| Jose_X | Here is what I wrote (could some of you also express your disappointment): | Jan 22 16:35 |
| Jose_X | >> | Jan 22 16:35 |
| Jose_X | Why in the world is the xml.. "CSV" download a BINARY that only works on some computers and poses a security risk for being a running program? I thought csv and txt and xml were supposed to be simple data text files so as to be accessible to anyone. | Jan 22 16:35 |
| Jose_X | << | Jan 22 16:35 |
| Jose_X | thanks, i know you will all do the Right Thing | Jan 22 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | whose .gov? | Jan 22 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | my opinion may not carry much weight in your country ;) | Jan 22 16:36 |
| rnb | who did what now? | Jan 22 16:36 |
| Jose_X | specifically i went here http://www.data.gov/details/145 | Jan 22 16:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Data.gov - 2005 Toxics Release Inventory data for the state of Florida .::. Size~: 24.66 KB | Jan 22 16:36 |
| rnb | url? | Jan 22 16:36 |
| rnb | oh | Jan 22 16:36 |
| Jose_X | US of A | Jan 22 16:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm. lots of toxics in FL.. phosphate... | Jan 22 16:36 |
| rnb | hahah, that is werid | Jan 22 16:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/fl/the world/ | Jan 22 16:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes | Jan 22 16:37 |
| Jose_X | FurnaceBoy, I value your opinion | Jan 22 16:37 |
| rnb | click the green "CSV" button | Jan 22 16:37 |
| Jose_X | Do the right thing | Jan 22 16:37 |
| Jose_X | R .. T.. | Jan 22 16:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: my opinion is I absolutely agree with you :) | Jan 22 16:37 |
| rnb | they might have gotten owned, actually | Jan 22 16:37 |
| Jose_X | It looks like you met Diablo-D3 already | Jan 22 16:37 |
| rnb | that doesnt make much sense | Jan 22 16:37 |
| Jose_X | i'm not equiped or enthusiastic about running that but perhaps it opens up excel or something (eats your spare hard drive) and then simply does nothing | Jan 22 16:39 |
| rnb | well, i finally did some research on this channel | Jan 22 16:39 |
| rnb | did you know the anti-site for the site this channel is about comes up higher on google? that's sad and we should help the rob | Jan 22 16:39 |
| rnb | er roy! ROY. | Jan 22 16:39 |
| rnb | i figured out who roy is | Jan 22 16:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz == roy | Jan 22 16:39 |
| rnb | the schestowitz guy | Jan 22 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Roy G. Biv | Jan 22 16:40 |
| rnb | i KNOW, i just SAID i figured it out | Jan 22 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: no you didn't! | Jan 22 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM | Jan 22 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | (before rnb kills me) | Jan 22 16:41 |
| Jose_X | is rnb "Roy (G)NU Biv"? | Jan 22 16:41 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: hey, i hate having to be on the side of christopher hitchens | Jan 22 16:41 |
| Jose_X | ..or "Roy NOT-(G)NU Biv"? | Jan 22 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i'm still on your shit list then? :| | Jan 22 16:41 |
| Jose_X | alright i'm wasting time, bbl | Jan 22 16:41 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: nah, not at all, i read the backlog | Jan 22 16:42 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i think i might not have explained myself well enough, certainly | Jan 22 16:42 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: but, i'm too tired to fix it now | Jan 22 16:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | roy gnu biv | Jan 22 16:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | lawlz | Jan 22 16:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: right, stalin's dead but gates is still alive | Jan 22 16:42 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: christopher hitchens annoys me by being right, or by coming out on positions that i had before i knew he did, or something | Jan 22 16:43 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: well, that just happened 2 times | Jan 22 16:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: what is it now? | Jan 22 16:43 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: w/gandhi & mother theresa | Jan 22 16:43 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: oh, that martin amis book | Jan 22 16:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | Koba the Dread? | Jan 22 16:43 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: apparently part of it is directed at hitchens.. it includes a letter to his father, and a letter to hitchens | Jan 22 16:43 |
| rnb | yeah | Jan 22 16:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | let me check | Jan 22 16:43 |
| rnb | i was reading about it | Jan 22 16:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh. no. i hate opening that book. from memory i believe you are right. | Jan 22 16:44 |
| rnb | apparently, that book caused all kinds of controversy | Jan 22 16:45 |
| rnb | you can read about it | Jan 22 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i could... | Jan 22 16:45 |
| rnb | yeah, or not :) | Jan 22 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | only b/c i'm kinda busy :| | Jan 22 16:45 |
| rnb | i should be busy | Jan 22 16:45 |
| rnb | i woke up late, wtf am i doing in here? | Jan 22 16:46 |
| rnb | i'm glad to have found a decent new irc channel | Jan 22 16:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z As far as the #Bush admin went, adherence to the law was also ..optional. They both support unlimited detentions. // i am well aware | Jan 22 16:57 | |
| FurnaceBoy | hey! some of us are indecent | Jan 22 17:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Clinton Could Introduce #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware to the US http://ur1.ca/kg52 | Jan 22 17:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LCA (Linux.conf.au) 2011 Planned and LCA 2010 Ends http://ur1.ca/kg55 http://ur1.ca/kg56 http://ur1.ca/kg58 | Jan 22 17:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] London Stock Exchange Already Dumping #Windows for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/kg5e #lse | Jan 22 17:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Windows 7. Facebook. Gaza. #NowThatsGhetto | Jan 22 17:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Just found out Morgan Computers went bust last year and were bought. Anyone dealt with the "new" co? How are they when things go wrong? | Jan 22 17:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Millennium Global Investments Chooses #RedHat #GNU #Linux , #IBM Speaks About Linux http://ur1.ca/kg5o http://ur1.ca/kg5p | Jan 22 17:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "By May 2001, President Bush and Vice President Cheney had their $1.35 trillion tax cut," (via @mparent77772) http://bit.ly/8USvyk | Jan 22 17:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Kernel Space Has Best of Both Worlds: #Btrfs and #EXT4 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_btrfs_2633&num=1 | Jan 22 17:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another NAS, This Time from Synology, Runs #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Synology-DiskStation-DS1010-and-DS110j/?kc=rss | Jan 22 17:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | I browsed Walmart's DVD/Blu-Ray assortment just now | Jan 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's not looking good with Blu Ray | Jan 22 17:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | in what sense? | Jan 22 17:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #Android Expansion Come Comes with Sony, Amazon, #Cyanogen http://ur1.ca/kg6g http://ur1.ca/kg6h http://ur1.ca/kg6i | Jan 22 17:39 | |
| DaemonFC | They're pulling a lot of marketing tricks, like having a very few movies over there for $20, old stuff like Independence Day (1996) | Jan 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | which is on DVD for $5 | Jan 22 17:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hacker brings multitouch to Google's Nexus One • The Register .::. Size~: 26.55 KB | Jan 22 17:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sony Ericsson's first Android smartphone to launch in April - Google Android, smartphone, Sony Ericsson, Xperia X10 - Techworld .::. Size~: 48.98 KB | Jan 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | if you look over to the TV series section, Battlestar Galactica is $16 per season on DVD and $40 per season on Blu Ray | Jan 22 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | so you're paying $64 for all four seasons on DVD vs. $160 on Blu Ray | Jan 22 17:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | normal stuff. | Jan 22 17:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's still stock of dvd | Jan 22 17:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | have to clear the channel | Jan 22 17:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | early adopters will pay some premium so they can demo their new gear | Jan 22 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | and if you get the extras packs, its $240 on Blu Ray and $96 on DVD | Jan 22 17:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | this will normalise once the dvd channel empties | Jan 22 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | that newest Harry Potter movie is $19.95 on DVD and $39.95 on Blu Ray | Jan 22 17:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | but why is this surprising? | Jan 22 17:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | they also have to reinforce the notion that BluRay is superior | Jan 22 17:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | market segmentation | Jan 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | because DVD had 80% of the market at this point | Jan 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | and new movies were $20-$25 | Jan 22 17:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, it's not surprising that BluRay adoption is slower. | Jan 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Blu Ray has 18% and a new movie is $39.95 | Jan 22 17:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | see above ^^ | Jan 22 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | the dvd channel hasn't emptied. dvd was going into a NEW market. | Jan 22 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | BluRay is going into an existing, mature market. | Jan 22 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | the players for DVD could be had around $80 for a decent one at this point | Jan 22 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | the crappy Blu Ray players are $128 | Jan 22 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | all the same reasons apply. none of this is surprising | Jan 22 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it's catching | Jan 22 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's catching much slower, as anyone would expect. | Jan 22 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I think people have largely refused the format in favor of DVD | Jan 22 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | >> the dvd channel hasn't emptied. dvd was going into a NEW market. / BluRay is going into an existing, mature market. | Jan 22 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course. | Jan 22 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | so if all 4 years has gotten them is 18% of the market, where does that put them 5 years from now? | Jan 22 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | who cares? | Jan 22 17:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | there was also a lot of confusion between BluRay and the other format | Jan 22 17:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | ppl didn't know which would win | Jan 22 17:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | which turns buyers away | Jan 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | HD-DVD was obviously never going to win | Jan 22 17:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | look this happens in mature markets. | Jan 22 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | people did not vote with their dollars, the studios voted on the basis of which had more DRM | Jan 22 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | it was obvious that HD-DVD was not going to make it | Jan 22 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I had it written off cause of that and that horrible $200 add-on for XBOX 360 | Jan 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | the entire PS3 was $299 at that time, and the HD-DVD player for the XBOX 360 brought it up to $499 | Jan 22 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft screwed the pooch and it brought HD-DVD down quickly | Jan 22 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | This whole idea of psychological pricing on some BD's on the same aisle as the players, and then finding out the real cost of owning one on the next aisle over is amusing | Jan 22 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | and of course the player demands an internet connection for DRM updates or your new discs won't play, so they spin it into features like "Netflix and Pandora Radio on this model*" "* We don't guarantee that these services will continue to work" | Jan 22 17:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | clever. | Jan 22 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | and very offputting :) | Jan 22 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i don't care if BluRay tanks. | Jan 22 17:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "How I rebuilt Europe after the Berlin Wall collapsed" (with surplus kit from Morgan) http://is.gd/6OLrK | Jan 22 17:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I want it to tank | Jan 22 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | down in flames is more like where I want it to go | Jan 22 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | it is some seriously bad shit | Jan 22 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | DVD doesn't really scare me, Blu Ray does, and it's not even mainly the pricing, it's the level of DRM that reminds people "You never really own this. If we decide to change formats, there's no guarantee you'll have you collection of movies" | Jan 22 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's unprecedented | Jan 22 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I know that if push comes to shove and DVD dies off, I can convert them into something that I can keep | Jan 22 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have that guarantee with Blu Ray, which is why I don't have one of their players | Jan 22 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's so not even the price, because I would have a collection of Blu Ray already were it not for the DRM | Jan 22 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | they probably figure that most people are too stupid to know or care, and they're correct, until the Blu Ray DRM blows up in their faces later on when there's another format change | Jan 22 18:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Tablet Runs #Linux , Sub-notebooks from #ASUS May Run #Android http://ur1.ca/kg9q http://ur1.ca/kg9r | Jan 22 18:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Gets a Lot Faster in Newest Version http://ur1.ca/kg9t http://ur1.ca/kg9v | Jan 22 18:05 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not unprecedented at all. | Jan 22 18:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's no different from software activation -- which is WORSE | Jan 22 18:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Activation is far worse because it eliminates access to YOUR OWN data. | Jan 22 18:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: at the whim of the 2nd party, or technological fragility. | Jan 22 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's catastrophic. | Jan 22 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Activation can be easily cracked | Jan 22 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | there's several layers of DRM in a Blu Ray disc and only one program I've seen that can crack through all of them | Jan 22 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | and it costs money | Jan 22 18:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: whether it can be cracked isn't very relevant. | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: can you see 99% of consumers, or governments, cracking it? | Jan 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's completely relevant | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why? | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: for any realistic use case. such as government use of software. | Jan 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | if it's easily cracked, I really don't care if they DRM it | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or a typical business or consumer. | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | YOU don't care. | Jan 22 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'll crack through it and use what I paid for | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | I am talking about the general, much larger problem. | Jan 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | I don't care about YOU indiviudally. | Jan 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm talking *in principle*, the bigger picture. | Jan 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, no, a government wouldn't do it (probably) | Jan 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Activation is a worse precedent for DRM films | Jan 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | but the option for a user to do it is there | Jan 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yet they will use Activated software. | Jan 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: most users are not technical | Jan 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | yes, and that's a problem | Jan 22 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | more government waste of money | Jan 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the level of technical ability out there is ridiculously low, shocks even me | Jan 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course it's a waste of money | Jan 22 18:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it should be illegal to use proprietary software for public data | Jan 22 18:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | one day it will be, after everyone gets burned enough | Jan 22 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's the main concern I have, yes along with government documents in proprietary formats | Jan 22 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | example, telling you that you need to download tax documents in PDF | Jan 22 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | putting out documents you need to open in Word 2007 OOXML | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, PDF is an open spec. | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | with open implementations | Jan 22 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it's annoying, and no they never should do that | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | that isn't true of anything microsoft. | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | closed, intentionally. | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | they are trying to prevent any interoperability, it weakens their deathgrip | Jan 22 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | OpenOffice 3.2 apparently has better OOXML import filters | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | bandaids | Jan 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | gotta stop the prob @ source | Jan 22 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | I know that's not the point, but at least it has them | Jan 22 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: One time the state made me download tax forms in proprietary formats I couldn't open | Jan 22 18:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah i've seen this with tax | Jan 22 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, I could, but I didn't feel like fixing every page out of like 20 documents | Jan 22 18:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | electronic submission was windows only. | Jan 22 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | so I had to call them and have them send the documents in the mail | Jan 22 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | cost the state to print them out for me an mail them | Jan 22 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | government is crazy, not only did they owe me like $40, but they had to pay another $2-3 to send me the paperwork so they could pay me the $40 | Jan 22 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | where do they get the $2-3? Out of tax revenue obviously. | Jan 22 18:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Walks One Step Away from #Flash But Keeps Patent-Encumbered Format http://ur1.ca/kbna http://ur1.ca/kgbi | Jan 22 18:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | almost nobody in the state ( on the whole) has Microsoft Office | Jan 22 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | so why do they post the forms in MS Office formats? | Jan 22 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | lazy inertia. | Jan 22 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | most ppl have only heard of windows. it's a default worldwide. | Jan 22 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | ppl buy a computer it comes with windows | Jan 22 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | that also must sto. | Jan 22 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | stop. | Jan 22 18:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Civil Rights of Speech Defended But #Censorship Spreads Too http://ur1.ca/kgbo http://ur1.ca/kchq | Jan 22 18:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | Well, Windows doesn't come with Office | Jan 22 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's gates' key innovation. make windows purchase inseparable. | Jan 22 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm betting 9 out of 10 people that need to open the documents can't | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, but it's a default. ppl think they need Office. | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: "I can't open this, oh i need to buy Office." | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Microsoft $$$$$$$$$ | Jan 22 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | hah | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | the system's working beautifully | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | as they set it up | Jan 22 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not spending money on that | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | milk everyone | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | set toll gates between you and all data you need or want | Jan 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | including your GOVERNMENT's. ! | Jan 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | that you already paid for | Jan 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | but no., you have to pay their tax too -- the microsoft tax. | Jan 22 18:28 |
| *FurnaceBoy afks | Jan 22 18:28 | |
| DaemonFC | the Wall Street Journal is praising the Scott Brown election and the Supreme Court removing limits on how much money big business can corrupt US politics with "campaign contributions. | Jan 22 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | yay for spin cycle | Jan 22 18:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Spread Lies to Defend Dying Business Model http://techdirt.com/articles/20100121/0825147855.shtml | Jan 22 18:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IFPI: Piracy Bad!!! Government Must Fix Because We Don't Want To Adapt! | Techdirt .::. Size~: 64.68 KB | Jan 22 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=915d0nLYypg | Jan 22 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: :( | Jan 22 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ohai | Jan 22 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The Supreme Court misinterpreted our constitution to give corporations rights under the first amendment | Jan 22 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | which was not the meaning of that amendment, or the bill of right | Jan 22 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | *rights | Jan 22 19:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not the first amendment to be misinterpreted ;-) | Jan 22 19:18 |
| *FurnaceBoy duck | Jan 22 19:18 | |
| DaemonFC | this was a serious miscarriage of justice that sets a very bad precedent | Jan 22 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: put it on the pile... | Jan 22 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course it's disastrous. | Jan 22 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | you are now living in a dystopia straight out of literary nightmares | Jan 22 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I do not believe that corporations have rights under the bill of rights | Jan 22 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | those are to protect individuals | Jan 22 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | this just shows how much bribe money is making it to the judges on the court | Jan 22 19:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] OH on street, mother to child: "Daddy works. He gets money. And we *spend* it for him." | Jan 22 19:20 | |
| DaemonFC | hopefully Scalia is the next one of them to die | Jan 22 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | I sincerely hope so | Jan 22 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | followed by Roberts | Jan 22 19:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sun so warm and sunny in #Toronto today that the birds are all convinced it's Spring. | Jan 22 19:21 | |
| DaemonFC | it's too bad those are presidential lifetime appointments | Jan 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | the lineup would look different if they were termed positions there by direct popular vote | Jan 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | I would not think that Antonin Scalia would be electable | Jan 22 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's what has me worried about this trial concerning Prop 8 in California | Jan 22 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I know that no matter what the outcome is in the lower courts, you're going to have these assholes misapplying the Constitution and deciding in favor of the Christians somehow | Jan 22 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | they'll read into the Constitution such to where the 14th amendment doesn't apply and all the state constitutions with that amendment in them stand | Jan 22 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | it'll most likely be one of those 5-4 in favor of the shitheads deals | Jan 22 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@WesBEnterprise How day they let people keep their money! // & what happens next? How many states are bankrupt now? tax helps pay for stuff | Jan 22 19:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Indian #Government and #Microsoft Accused of Writing Policies to Enrich Themselves http://ur1.ca/kgg1 | Jan 22 19:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Indian Government and Microsoft Accused of Writing Policies to Enrich Themselves | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.76 KB | Jan 22 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Obama is all talk | Jan 22 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | the military was desegregated by executive order | Jan 22 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | why can't Obama do the same thing? | Jan 22 19:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z yes, in #Canada my #tax is competently spent on all kinds of things that I use. roads, health, food safety, public transit, ... | Jan 22 19:27 | |
| DaemonFC | he could kill Don't Ask Don't Tell with his signature and about 10 seconds | Jan 22 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | instead, it goes on and on, and on | Jan 22 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | I think I may just use my votes in protest from now on | Jan 22 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's obvious that nothing changes | Jan 22 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's always attack the poor, exploit the minorities that actually aren't asking for "special rights", fleece the taxpayers, waste their money, appoint cronies | Jan 22 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, yes, that's how it looks from here | Jan 22 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | mind you, canada is slipping badly under Harper | Jan 22 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I cited Harper as one of Bush's mini-me's | Jan 22 19:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and he is. | Jan 22 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | along with Blair and Howard | Jan 22 19:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: absolutely | Jan 22 19:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Howard is precisely that | Jan 22 19:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Bush, Howard, Blair - the three nutjob horsemen of iraq's fiery apocalypse. | Jan 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: John Howard actually went on record in an interview TELLING Americans not to vote for Obama | Jan 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 22 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | and Harper would have desperately loved to throw his lot in with them, but was just a bit too late. | Jan 22 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I know. | Jan 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | like who the hell is he to tell me who to vote for? | Jan 22 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: he also signed Bush's "free" trade agreement | Jan 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | that shit wouldn't fly in Australia | Jan 22 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: giving us DMCA like crap | Jan 22 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I remember listening to the radio one morning, 2005 I think, on the way back from work | Jan 22 19:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well, Howard was frequently endorsed by Bush electorally, actually. | Jan 22 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | and hearing that CAFTA was ratified | Jan 22 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I remember saying "Well shit, there goes another 2-3 million jobs" | Jan 22 19:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Howard won in 2004 immediately on the heels of AbuGhraib and an internal Australian scandal relating to outright lying by his government. | Jan 22 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and after being endorsed by Bush | Jan 22 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It's as easy to work over Australian voters apparently | Jan 22 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: apparently | Jan 22 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: then look at Canada. elected Harper | Jan 22 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | make the same empty promises | Jan 22 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: insanity | Jan 22 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Canadians just have more bad choices than we do | Jan 22 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | the net result doesn't seem much better | Jan 22 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | we have some good choices that you don't have | Jan 22 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Greens and NDP | Jan 22 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | a 2 party system is simply broken. | Jan 22 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | can never work | Jan 22 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | send more stuffed suits to office, watch them throw around more money they seized from you | Jan 22 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | sounds like a corporation to me | Jan 22 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The Democrats and Republicans made it impossible for other parties to get on the ballots | Jan 22 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | ballot access laws vary from state to state, so while the Democrats and Republicans are on the ballot in all 50 | Jan 22 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I think the next closest, the Libertarians, were on 38 | Jan 22 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | on 2008 | Jan 22 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | *in | Jan 22 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, this is not good | Jan 22 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | so while Obama and McCain were on the ballot in every state, the Libertarians would not be able to win in any event | Jan 22 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | so voting for them is pointless, because there's 12 states they cannot possibly carry | Jan 22 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | totaling 80-90 electoral votes | Jan 22 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's rigged | Jan 22 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, now that corporations have fair access to campaigns, this will all resolve itself beautifully. | Jan 22 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | then state by state, the only candidates that get any funding (from corporations mind you) are the Democrats and Republicans | Jan 22 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | so the Libertarians are drowned out and their only exposure is during a 1 hour debate on public television | Jan 22 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | the Libertarian candidate for Indiana governor got 2.5% of the vote in 2008 | Jan 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | nobody knew he was even running | Jan 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: He also ran as a Republican about 10 years or so ago | Jan 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | he carried 43% of the vote | Jan 22 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's all about which team jacket you put on | Jan 22 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not red or blue, it sucks to be you | Jan 22 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | so really, the people want neither candidate but end up getting one of them anyway | Jan 22 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | and it's because of corporate money infiltrating the campaign in favor of the Democrats and Republicans | Jan 22 19:43 |
| rnb | the presidential debate racket is also scandalous | Jan 22 19:43 |
| rnb | run by a private organization, comprised of representatives from the democratic & republican party | Jan 22 19:44 |
| rnb | what they did to nader was absurd | Jan 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the unlimited corporate campaign contributions on First Amendment grounds | Jan 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | the judges are all planted there by Democrats and Republicans | Jan 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | the judges are all activists, party activists | Jan 22 19:44 |
| rnb | the US is a one-party country | Jan 22 19:44 |
| rnb | de facto | Jan 22 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing you don't ever know for sure what their ruling will be is social issues that don't stand to lose Jesus or the corporations any money | Jan 22 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | then it could go either way | Jan 22 19:45 |
| rnb | one party with a centrist faction & a far-right faction | Jan 22 19:45 |
| MinceR | two far-right factions, one a little bit more extremist than the other | Jan 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | what MinceR said | Jan 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'd believe that Obama was a Republican if that's what he said | Jan 22 19:46 |
| rnb | MinceR: sure, i'll agree w/that | Jan 22 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | cause 90% of what he does is the same thing Bush would have | Jan 22 19:46 |
| MinceR | well, he's paid to do the same thing bush would have been | Jan 22 19:47 |
| rnb | question is: WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT IT | Jan 22 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | We've got so much unconstitutional garbage right now that if anyone was elected to repeal it all, it's all they'd get done for the next 20 years | Jan 22 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I think | Jan 22 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Armed revolt or keep token voting for Ron Paul? | Jan 22 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 22 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | we threw the British out for less than this! | Jan 22 19:49 |
| rnb | ron paul? come on | Jan 22 19:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest warnings about #Microsoft ’s ruthless and sometimes criminal behaviour comes from #Samba Supreme http://ur1.ca/kgho | Jan 22 19:49 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | Petition @ http://ChevronToxico.com | Jan 22 19:49 |
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| DaemonFC | "Fuck you, fuck your tea, fuck your tea tax!" *bang* *bang* *bang* | Jan 22 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's what happened B-) | Jan 22 19:49 |
| MinceR | armed revolt sounds good | Jan 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Better do it before the government finishes disarming us | Jan 22 19:50 |
| rnb | we need to build upon existing community organizations and make a real, working class movement in the US | Jan 22 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | they've already limited us to weak guns, and how many rounds can be in each clip | Jan 22 19:51 |
| rnb | an internationalist movement, since other countries are already far more advanced than we are domestically in opposing the US oligarchy | Jan 22 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | Assault Weapon Ban of 1994 expired | Jan 22 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | but that didn't affect much | Jan 22 19:51 |
| MinceR | you're going to need to disregard those laws anyway | Jan 22 19:51 |
| rnb | we can get AK-47s | Jan 22 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Yeah, but you need to convert them all to fully automatic | Jan 22 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 22 19:51 |
| rnb | and the rest can be gotten illegally | Jan 22 19:51 |
| MinceR | afaik they're fully automatic by default | Jan 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | although, those things can fire pretty fast even as semi-automatic rifles | Jan 22 19:52 |
| rnb | plus, there's the IED innovation | Jan 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: the ones in the US aren't | Jan 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | they've been modified | Jan 22 19:52 |
| rnb | WHY IS THIS CHANNEL PUBLICLY LOGGED? | Jan 22 19:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, get the ones that aren't in the US, then. | Jan 22 19:52 |
| rnb | I SUPPORT LAWFUL CHANGE | Jan 22 19:52 |
| rnb | ONLY | Jan 22 19:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You can modify them, it's hugely illegal though | Jan 22 19:53 |
| MinceR | rnb: you can make it lawful after the fact. :> | Jan 22 19:53 |
| rnb | you know, i've had the police and FBI come to my house numerous times to investigate subversive activities | Jan 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: If all I could get was a semi-auto AK-47 I wouldn't bother, I'd just get an AR-15 | Jan 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | more accurate | Jan 22 19:53 |
| rnb | simply for my lawful involvement in organizations | Jan 22 19:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Jan 22 19:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | nice country | Jan 22 19:53 |
| rnb | they came to my house | Jan 22 19:54 |
| rnb | they came to my WORK | Jan 22 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | you'd be trading more accuracy for more jams and more having to clean it though | Jan 22 19:54 |
| rnb | that really pissed me off, coming to my job | Jan 22 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | so maybe the AK-47 is a better choice | Jan 22 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, AK-47 is is then | Jan 22 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 22 19:54 |
| rnb | the FBI did... and i was a C-level manager... doesnt look good ... luckily, both times they were intercepted by a friendly coworker who kept it a secret so no one knew | Jan 22 19:54 |
| MinceR | or you could get both and switch of one jams | Jan 22 19:54 |
| MinceR | rnb: like they say, "land of the free" :> | Jan 22 19:55 |
| rnb | mm-hm | Jan 22 19:55 |
| rnb | that's why they hate us | Jan 22 19:55 |
| rnb | the evil-doers | Jan 22 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: How about the MP5? | Jan 22 19:55 |
| rnb | DaemonFC: sure, i've never used one, though | Jan 22 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Hkmp5count-terr-wiki.jpg | Jan 22 19:56 |
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| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Heckler_Koch_MP5.jpg | Jan 22 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | That one has an integrated silencer L) | Jan 22 19:57 |
| rnb | cool | Jan 22 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/45JHPa.jpg | Jan 22 19:58 |
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| DaemonFC | There's my baby | Jan 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | I have one of them | Jan 22 19:58 |
| rnb | i dunno, AK-47 is still rated the most reliable for field use | Jan 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | as pistols go, you can't go wrong with the Hi Point .45 ACP | Jan 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | under $200 | Jan 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | durable, accurate | Jan 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | 9 round clip | Jan 22 19:59 |
| rnb | you can throw it off a cliff, into a river, down a waterfall and it'll still work reliably | Jan 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | the .45 ACP is my favorite out of all the guns I own | Jan 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/50ft.jpg | Jan 22 20:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I have one of these, antique, still fires | Jan 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_870P | Jan 22 20:01 |
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| DaemonFC | one of these in 20 gauge | Jan 22 20:01 |
| rnb | i've got a walther ppk | Jan 22 20:02 |
| rnb | i like it because it basically fits entirely in my hand | Jan 22 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armalite_AR-5 | Jan 22 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I have one of those | Jan 22 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | just a simple lightweight .22 rifle | Jan 22 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | not much stopping power, but it's fun to target practice with | Jan 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | ammunition is dirt cheap | Jan 22 20:03 |
| rnb | having a gun in SF is no fun, though | Jan 22 20:04 |
| rnb | there's few places you can go to shoot it off | Jan 22 20:04 |
| rnb | and all the ranges are ultra cop-heavy | Jan 22 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | you can get the Hi Point C-9 for $20 cheaper, but it's way less powerful | Jan 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | I much prefer the .45 ACP | Jan 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | the C-9 also looks too much like a toy because of the size | Jan 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YxzMal-NY0 | Jan 22 20:06 |
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| rnb | the ar-5 is bolt-action, though? | Jan 22 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Yes | Jan 22 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | just a basic survival rifle | Jan 22 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | no frills | Jan 22 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | you can mount a scope, but I never bothered\ | Jan 22 20:07 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAwoo2c9Geo&feature=related | Jan 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | the C-9 again | Jan 22 20:08 |
| rnb | i'd like to get a sig sauer p226 | Jan 22 20:09 |
| rnb | thats my next handgun | Jan 22 20:09 |
| rnb | not sure what kind, though | Jan 22 20:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100121/sun-ceo-go-oracle-internal-memo/ | Jan 22 20:09 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Oracle (ORCL) said this morning that it has received unconditional regulatory approval from the European Commission for its acquisition of Sun (JAVA). Below, the all-hands memo Sun CEO Jon Schwartz sent to employees following the announcement. | Jan 22 20:10 |
| rnb | :/ | Jan 22 20:10 |
| rnb | wtf | Jan 22 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmvg2w6HYnQ&feature=related | Jan 22 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | That's the model I have, the .45 ACP | Jan 22 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | they kill the Easter Bunny with it | Jan 22 20:10 |
| rnb | maybe i need to start developing my postgres skills | Jan 22 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | or....something | Jan 22 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: there's also Firebird, Ingres, and all the NoSQL ecosystem | Jan 22 20:11 |
| MinceR | and PostgreSQL, derived from Ingres; and SQLite | Jan 22 20:12 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: have you used Firebird? | Jan 22 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqkeKwRmWFY | Jan 22 20:13 |
| rnb | ew, their website is ick | Jan 22 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, the police use the 870 as well | Jan 22 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | they're a good shotgun | Jan 22 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | they had a modified 870 on Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 that handled all wrong | Jan 22 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | overpowered, less accurate, makes it more exciting to gun someone down in a video game with I guess | Jan 22 20:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: their web site is hopeless | Jan 22 20:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I 've been thinking of helping with that | Jan 22 20:18 |
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| FurnaceBoy | rnb: some simple changes would make it much more effective | Jan 22 20:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i haven't used it, but i've been keeping an eye on it. seems the technology is very good, but you wouldn't realise that from a glance at their site :( | Jan 22 20:18 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: i've always kept an eye on it, too | Jan 22 20:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | SQLite isn't really a multiuser db | Jan 22 20:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | not with any degree of scalability .. no MVCC | Jan 22 20:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | its sweet spot is elsewhere, usually local storage | Jan 22 20:19 |
| MinceR | it isn't | Jan 22 20:20 |
| MinceR | yet it can replace MySQL in many use cases | Jan 22 20:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes some | Jan 22 20:20 |
| MinceR | for example where it's behind a webapp, which is probably the most common use case of MySQL | Jan 22 20:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, a low traffic web app | Jan 22 20:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | anything with a lot of load will need row locking and mvcc eventually | Jan 22 20:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | i use it for Trac | Jan 22 20:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: mmmmm i love Trac | Jan 22 20:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: we use trac for all of our projects | Jan 22 20:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: too bad it's written in python | Jan 22 20:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: it can be slow | Jan 22 20:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh, that time of the week again. must work. :) | Jan 22 20:23 |
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| Kango_V | anyone thought of creating boycottnovell waves? | Jan 22 21:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British Universities Under Siege Because of #Microsoft #Windows , One Goes Offline http://ur1.ca/kgmt | Jan 22 21:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: British Universities Under Siege Because of Microsoft Windows, One Goes Offline | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.71 KB | Jan 22 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Critical Internet Explorer Flaw Known and Ignored for 4 Months http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/22/refusing-to-fix-ie-flaws/ | Jan 22 21:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Security Negligence Confirmed: Critical Internet Explorer Flaw Known and Ignored for 4 Months | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.64 KB | Jan 22 21:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Apparently Ubuntu is sexist towards men and too "PC", so some people have decided to setup the ##ubuntu-men channel on freenode. I despair. | Jan 22 21:22 | |
| Eruaran | hmm | Jan 22 21:23 |
| Eruaran | I have a sudden urge to troll | Jan 22 21:23 |
| cubezzz2 | http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/01/22/laredo.books/index.html?hpt=T2 | Jan 22 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Big city left with no bookstore - CNN.com .::. Size~: 60.58 KB | Jan 22 21:26 |
| *cubezzz2 is now known as cubezzz | Jan 22 21:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I know, I know... today income #tax, tomorrow you wake up in the evil Soviet Socialist Republic of #Canada... | Jan 22 21:26 | |
| cubezzz | social programs are good :) | Jan 22 21:27 |
| cubezzz | what's a good ebook store? Real book stores seem to be on the decline | Jan 22 21:28 |
| cubezzz | " know how to read, you're not going to get very far in life. | Jan 22 21:29 |
| cubezzz | --Zhuara Rivera, 14 | Jan 22 21:29 |
| cubezzz | RELATED TOPICS | Jan 22 21:29 |
| cubezzz | * Books | Jan 22 21:29 |
| cubezzz | * Laredo | Jan 22 21:29 |
| cubezzz | Barnes & Noble says it closed the Laredo store as part of an overall strategy to shut down the chain of mall-based bookstores." | Jan 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Kango_V: hi | Jan 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | We thought about it | Jan 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw did too | Jan 22 21:43 |
| Kango_V | ello | Jan 22 21:43 |
| Kango_V | what was the outcome? | Jan 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I think it went nowhere | Jan 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It's still private "beta", isn't it? | Jan 22 21:44 |
| Kango_V | yeah, you have to give people invites | Jan 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm also not sure just how it beats IRC, which more people are using and familiar with | Jan 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Wave is not mainstream yet. Maybe we should use Novell Pulse. http://www.novell.com/products/pulse/ | Jan 22 21:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell Pulse .::. Size~: 14.3 KB | Jan 22 21:45 |
| Kango_V | i'll have a look at that | Jan 22 21:45 |
| Kango_V | That looks interesting, i'll have to keep an eye on that | Jan 22 21:47 |
| MinceR | maybe we should use IRC. :> | Jan 22 21:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Patent Trolls Harm #FreeSoftware and How the European Parliament Fails http://bit.ly/7IsuDq | Jan 22 21:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How Patent Trolls Harm Free Software and How the European Parliament Plans to Make the Trolls Even Stronger | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 105.86 KB | Jan 22 21:49 |
| cubezzz | boycottnovell should use novell pulse? :) | Jan 22 21:50 |
| Kango_V | hmm, i see the irony there | Jan 22 21:50 |
| cubezzz | another thing, google books doesn't have a Linux client | Jan 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Jan 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Kango_V: I was joking :-) | Jan 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Nobody uses Pulse | Jan 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | And it's proprietary | Jan 22 21:52 |
| cubezzz | so ah Novell really does suck? | Jan 22 21:52 |
| Kango_V | hehe i guessed that :) Even from reading the page, i'm still none the wiser. gotta love PR. | Jan 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's * | Jan 22 21:53 |
| cubezzz | actually when I look at code I can see a number of contributions from Novell | Jan 22 21:55 |
| cubezzz | if someone puts code under the GPL, even Novell, it's a positive | Jan 22 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Rain is good for the garden | Jan 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Getting the flu makes the immune system stronger | Jan 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates puts money in puppies | Jan 22 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Stalin was maybe a good family man | Jan 22 22:02 |
| cubezzz | it's possible :) | Jan 22 22:02 |
| cubezzz | nothing is 100% bad | Jan 22 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Novell's Linux work is just a small portion of what it does | Jan 22 22:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.buntfu.com/news,page,79,topic_id,content_pages | Jan 22 22:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Buntfu.com - Buy & Sell Linux PC Computer Systems - IE is so secure we just had to build an OS out of it. .::. Size~: 41.87 KB | Jan 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I haven't check MS news in 2 weeks | Jan 22 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I'm working weekends | Jan 22 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather do BN almost full time | Jan 22 22:04 |
| cubezzz | I'm guessing they're still Evil :) | Jan 22 22:04 |
| cubezzz | personally I like knowing what the Big M is up to, but learning about Linux is more fun | Jan 22 22:06 |
| cubezzz | when I talk about Linux apps with dozers they just have no clue | Jan 22 22:07 |
| MinceR | sleepers :> | Jan 22 22:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @HappyFeminist embarrassing RT @Rizzz Pathetic rt @RickLazio close to 1000 followers-can u ask 2 friends to follow me? // #UNFollowFriday | Jan 22 22:10 | |
| DaemonFC | the whole idea of a web browser turned OS (in Chrome's case anyway) is that it's not complicated or prone to malware | Jan 22 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | so if Microsoft makes something like that out of IE, it won't just be a simple system with a simple bowser, you still need antivirus | Jan 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | this alone probably doubles the system requirements and trashes the entire point | Jan 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | woot, form letter from the Indiana House of Representatives | Jan 22 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | I know I write them so they can send me their ho-hum form letters made of dead trees | Jan 22 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | and a letter from the agency I complained about...hmmmmm | Jan 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <cubezzz> personally I like knowing what the Big M is up to, but learning about Linux is more fun | Jan 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm mostly interested in how to shove sticks in Linux' wheels | Jan 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I got into this topic because I see this recurring and I think it's the #1 barrier to Linux winning on the desktop | Jan 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | It's not about the whole "ready for the desktop" FUD phrase | Jan 22 22:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you see the Vista news here? | Jan 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I posted about it earlier | Jan 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Vista is butchering our network | Jan 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://resonatingmedia.com/~jesse/reader.php?mypage=Entries/jan202010.html | Jan 22 22:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Resonating Media .::. Size~: 5.78 KB | Jan 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | "Another example is KDE. When the KDE team pushed version 4.0 of their software out the door, they received a huge backlash from unhappy KDEers. And, to be fair, they probably should have called version 4.0 something else, like 4.0-alpha or 3.99, just to drive the point home that it wasn't ready for end-users." | Jan 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I bet they still regret this | Jan 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | They lost Linus this way | Jan 22 22:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "This is the crap Rorschach was talking about." Gouge eyes out before reading. http://is.gd/6P53T HT @toplessrobot | Jan 22 22:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Topless Robot - Fan Fiction Friday: Loyal-Heart and the Care Bear Cubs in "Loyal-Heart Babysits" .::. Size~: 122.95 KB | Jan 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Was Pardus gentoo based or something? | Jan 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | IIRC they used some leet distro as base | Jan 22 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm, more HD channels | Jan 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | including SyFy B-) | Jan 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | wonder how much the bill is going up for this | Jan 22 22:33 |
| Kango_V | get-iplayer is my friend at the moment | Jan 22 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | I talked to the guy in their Comcast office here and he said the cable here was so bad he was surprised we have the 5 HD channels we already do | Jan 22 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | bumping all this existing channels to digital format and compressing them is what's clearing enough bandwidth to have some HD ones I'm sure | Jan 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | When does Stargate Universe come back on? | Jan 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Fall? aggghhhh | Jan 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cinemablend.com/television/It-s-Time-To-Embrace-The-Stargate-You-Have-SG-Fans-21995.html | Jan 22 22:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: It's Time To Embrace The Stargate You Have, SG Fans .::. Size~: 35.17 KB | Jan 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | 22% ratings increase over Atlantis? How can that be? | Jan 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | SGU seems kind of slow moving to me | Jan 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | it feels like they're dragging out each episode into two | Jan 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | http://royal.pingdom.com/2010/01/22/internet-2009-in-numbers/ | Jan 22 22:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Internet 2009 in numbers | Royal Pingdom .::. Size~: 48.16 KB | Jan 22 22:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tor has been compromised. Rather sad.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/tor_security_update/ | Jan 22 22:43 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tor software updated after hackers crack into systems • The Register .::. Size~: 24.28 KB | Jan 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ahh, April 2010 they finish the first half of this season | Jan 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | seems like a horrible schedule | Jan 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Here, lets start it up again in the spring while people are outside and sit with our thumbs up our asses wondering why the ratings are down, kill the series in total, and fill it in with Lost in Space reruns" | Jan 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | I need to be a TV network executive | Jan 22 22:45 |
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| FurnaceBoy | damn those corrupt Mexican police! http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/12/20091212immigagent1212.html | Jan 22 22:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/7uT7ti | Jan 22 22:53 |
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| DaemonFC | errr | Jan 22 22:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] We're all getting closer to dumping #Flash \0/ http://vimeo.com/blog:268 Vimeo Also Introduces HTML5 Video Player | Jan 22 22:53 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Try our new HTML5 player! on Vimeo Staff Blog .::. Size~: 84.29 KB | Jan 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/986487/star_trek_voyager_cut/ | Jan 22 22:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Star Trek Voyager Cut - Video .::. Size~: 62.27 KB | Jan 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's the one | Jan 22 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 22 22:53 |
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| _goblin_ | hi all | Jan 22 22:56 |
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| _goblin_ | connection is very bad tonight | Jan 22 22:56 |
| _goblin_ | forgive me if I merely disapear. | Jan 22 22:56 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm thinking about getting a Blu Ray player just to watch my DVDs on | Jan 22 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | the price difference between a nice DVD player and a Blu Ray player that can play DVDs with the same features is only about $20 | Jan 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they have quite a way to characterise the black guy on the ship | Jan 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Type casting? | Jan 22 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | horny, violent, barely aware of what he's doing, needs others to restrain him from causing further harm? | Jan 22 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's one way to read into it I guess | Jan 22 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | bbl | Jan 22 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/government_multicloud/ | Jan 22 23:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UK.gov stacking up gang of clouds • The Register .::. Size~: 24.04 KB | Jan 22 23:00 |
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| _goblin__ | right, lets hope Im back for a bit longer. | Jan 22 23:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] O2 is letting me down, its become unreliable and recently no longer been the good service provider I used to champion. #o2 | Jan 22 23:07 | |
| schestowitz | o2? champion? | Jan 22 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Google's DNS is rarely mentioned now... | Jan 22 23:12 |
| _goblin__ | yeah....used to think O2 offered an excellent service. | Jan 22 23:12 |
| _goblin__ | now its unreliable. | Jan 22 23:13 |
| schestowitz | watch how the Microsoft boosters (Kelly in this case) try to spin good news about developers being paid as something BAD for Linux.... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/linux_developers_pay/ | Jan 22 23:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux coders do it for money • The Register .::. Size~: 27.47 KB | Jan 22 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Amazing how much of a liar she and others can be | Jan 22 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: "how to spin good news as bad nice?" | Jan 22 23:13 |
| schestowitz | And vice versa | Jan 22 23:13 |
| _goblin__ | I think Microsoft has become so caught up in its own PR it actually believes everything it says. | Jan 22 23:14 |
| _goblin__ | I don't think Microsoft can diferentiate between truth and lie now. | Jan 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe malware | Jan 22 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Did you see my BN post about my ISP/ | Jan 22 23:15 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jan 22 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Exeter went offline too | Jan 22 23:15 |
| _goblin__ | and those MS employee's that know the truth, won't dare say it because they'll loose their jobs. | Jan 22 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Malware | Jan 22 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | They have the anti-Firefox party line | Jan 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Party lies | Jan 22 23:16 |
| _goblin__ | Roy, have you ever seen the film "The Mummy" | Jan 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | And another infuriating one is the "all OSes are not secure" | Jan 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | This pR campign from Microsoft gagged the media | Jan 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | _goblin__: just trailers | Jan 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | It looks like a rubbish film | Jan 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | There was a sequel though | Jan 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/aurora_exploit_known_months/ | Jan 22 23:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: MS knew of Aurora exploit four months before Google attacks • The Register .::. Size~: 24.93 KB | Jan 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | IOW, deliberate | Jan 22 23:17 |
| _goblin__ | there was a chap who was left behind in WW1 and believed the war was still going on.....thats a little how ballmer is, he is told what he wants to hear and the wibbly wobbly world he lives in is not the one everyone else is....that explains his bizarre behavior. | Jan 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | I've just been sent this: http://cgi.ebay.de/Patente-%28und-Copyrights%29-auf-Software%3F---Petra-Buhr_W0QQitemZ180458745715QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100120?IMSfp=TL100120234003r32743 | Jan 22 23:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Patente (und Copyrights) auf Software? - Petra Buhr bei eBay.de: Rechtswissenschaften (endet 18.02.10 20:07:52 MEZ) .::. Size~: 114.43 KB | Jan 22 23:18 |
| schestowitz | _goblin__: true | Jan 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer does seems to be wearing a helmet all the time | Jan 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Shiny tinfoil hat | Jan 22 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 22 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 22 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588218/google-remains-committed-china | Jan 22 23:24 |
| schestowitz | So they can pull the stunt and keep the business | Jan 22 23:25 |
| schestowitz | At least IE got some flogging | Jan 22 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/oracle-president-admits-affair-after-billboards-appear/?ref=technology | Jan 22 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | Ouch | Jan 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Mistress | Jan 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Does Ellison too have mistresses except tons of ex wives? | Jan 22 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3860031/ | Jan 22 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkwNA | Jan 22 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Farewell To X@FOSDEM. 2010 Is The Last. .::. Size~: 16.92 KB | Jan 22 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8033205382 | Jan 22 23:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Glyn Moody: RT @rupertg Timms: Digital ... .::. Size~: 10.49 KB | Jan 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: see http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368 | Jan 22 23:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle—By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine) .::. Size~: 61.14 KB | Jan 22 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Let me know what you think...... if you can | Jan 22 23:59 |
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