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_Gobliner...Jan 25 00:00
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_GoblinIve got it.....Jan 25 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] things I hitherto never expected to say to anyone. "maybe i can put your #Tumblr in my #Friendfeed"Jan 25 00:00
_Goblin"Choosing Windows is like changing a nappy, theres a nasty surprise to be found"Jan 25 00:01
_Goblinsince Im on nappy duty today.Jan 25 00:01
cubezzzyou have to try hard to avoid dozeJan 25 00:01
_Goblinor changing nappiesJan 25 00:01
cubezzzI've gone to great lengthsJan 25 00:01
cubezzzyeah, I avoided that too :)Jan 25 00:01
_Goblinso have I!Jan 25 00:02
_Goblindoing the bins and letting the wife have the priveledge is one of my common ones.Jan 25 00:02
_Goblinsorry for my bad spelling...Im being distracted by wrestling/twitter and a little messing around with FedoraJan 25 00:04
schestowitz[00:01] <_Goblin> "Choosing Windows is like changing a nappy, theres a nasty surprise to be found"Jan 25 00:05
schestowitzBut my point is, people don't choose WindowsJan 25 00:05
schestowitzThey treat it as a givenJan 25 00:05
schestowitzLike a bladder in need of emptyingJan 25 00:05
schestowitzThey aren't offered choiceJan 25 00:05
cubezzzthere is a choice, but it requires extra effortJan 25 00:05
cubezzzyou can't be passiveJan 25 00:06
schestowitzWresting, Fedora, and beer, eh?Jan 25 00:06
ender2070__lolJan 25 00:06
schestowitzThey need to have Fedora Man in WCWJan 25 00:06
_Goblinnah no beer...Jan 25 00:06
schestowitzIt's a geeky guy with a red hat..Jan 25 00:06
schestowitz_Goblin: lager?Jan 25 00:06
_Goblinand WCW has been gone for years.Jan 25 00:06
ender2070__I have one choice from dell for linux netbooksJan 25 00:06
schestowitz_Goblin: I knowJan 25 00:06
ender2070__mini 10vJan 25 00:06
_Goblinnah... no lager.Jan 25 00:06
cubezzzacerJan 25 00:07
cubezzzbut still not ideal Jan 25 00:07
_GoblinIm up looking after teethers so that my wife can have an early night.Jan 25 00:07
_Goblinasleep at the moment....all is calm...Jan 25 00:07
ender2070__gotta love best buyJan 25 00:08
_GoblinI must admit, I do like Fedora very much...been doing so much distro hopping, forgot how great it is.Jan 25 00:08
ender2070__"buy an lcd hd tv now, and we'll recycle your old one for free"Jan 25 00:09
ender2070__how about give me money for itJan 25 00:09
ender2070__lolJan 25 00:09
ender2070__fuck letting them sell it to some refurbushed/liquidation shop for $$$ at my expenseJan 25 00:09
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/GNOME-3.0-Fear-NotJan 25 00:10
schestowitzI fear MonomeJan 25 00:10
_GoblinI don't.....just look at the amount of negative comments it gets whenever its brought up in an article.Jan 25 00:10
_Goblintheres no killer app from it and maybe Mono will assist in a single standard DE...(when people move away from Gnome)Jan 25 00:11
_GoblinOn every site Ive seen (even the big name ones) the Mono advocacy gets a massive hit from people who simply don't want it (and not just from a patent trap POV either)Jan 25 00:12
schestowitzLinux is dead, eh? http://www.geek.com/articles/gadgets/misa-digital-guitar-replaces-strings-with-a-touchscreen-20100119/Jan 25 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Misa Digital Guitar replaces strings with a touchscreen – New Tech Gadgets & Electronic Devices | Geek.com .::. Size~: 57.28 KBJan 25 00:12
schestowitzGentoo.Jan 25 00:13
schestowitzThe appliances become smarterJan 25 00:13
schestowitzThey get smarter (RT)OSesJan 25 00:13
_Goblinbeen gone before.....sort of....Jan 25 00:13
schestowitzLinux has too many companies depend on itJan 25 00:13
_Goblina synthaxeJan 25 00:13
schestowitzX tooJan 25 00:13
_Goblin(in respect of the guitar)Jan 25 00:13
schestowitz_Goblin: the whole KISS thing?Jan 25 00:13
_GoblinI think KISS used BC Rich guitarsJan 25 00:14
schestowitzWhat's that?Jan 25 00:14
schestowitzBand?Jan 25 00:14
schestowitzBrand?Jan 25 00:14
_Goblin(my favorite guitar in my collection)Jan 25 00:14
schestowitzYou collect those?Jan 25 00:14
schestowitzAh.. I can recall the photo nowJan 25 00:14
_GoblinIm a guitarist (hobby) and I have bought many over the years.Jan 25 00:14
schestowitzCowboy+guitarJan 25 00:15
cubezzzI think Linux is winning on devices other than desktop, although obviously lots of us still use it for desktop as wellJan 25 00:15
MinceRs/still/already/Jan 25 00:15
MinceR:>Jan 25 00:15
schestowitzThe Goodbye Novell Blues http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIfg1DkZgG8Jan 25 00:15
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schestowitz_Goblin: I got your DM, it says nothing newJan 25 00:17
schestowitzWhat's the earliest time on Tuesday you are available (after work)?Jan 25 00:17
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_Goblinno, I wasn't sure if you recieved DM'sJan 25 00:18
schestowitzI doJan 25 00:18
schestowitzBut I dislike themJan 25 00:18
_Goblinis it the 26th you are down in London?Jan 25 00:18
schestowitzThere's E-mail for thatJan 25 00:18
schestowitz2ndJan 25 00:18
_Goblinah...Jan 25 00:18
_Goblinweek after next...Jan 25 00:18
schestowitzI can make 1st tooJan 25 00:18
_Goblinright...I'll DM you some details..Jan 25 00:19
schestowitzI was gonna book a flight, but it's too much trouble... as you know, Manc is the centre of airports experiments nowJan 25 00:19
schestowitzWe have ID cards and naked scanner :-)Jan 25 00:19
schestowitz_Goblin: e-mailJan 25 00:19
_GoblinokJan 25 00:21
schestowitzhttp://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/bordeaux/bordeaux-200-for-solaris-and-opensolaris-released.htmlJan 25 00:21
schestowitz_Goblin: Gordon uses Manc Airport as his testing arenaJan 25 00:21
schestowitzHeck, people might as well protest against the scanners by going past them with a bonerJan 25 00:22
schestowitzThese scanners don't detect chemicalsJan 25 00:22
schestowitzIt's just for showJan 25 00:22
schestowitz"Look! We have very, very _high_ tech"Jan 25 00:22
_Goblinwhere is your email address?Jan 25 00:22
schestowitzWait until they put those scanners in subways tooJan 25 00:23
_GoblinIm being thick here...cannot see it for looking...Jan 25 00:23
schestowitzmy name at my homepageJan 25 00:23
_GoblindohJan 25 00:24
_GoblinI am thick.Jan 25 00:24
_Goblinyep got it now.Jan 25 00:24
schestowitzhttp://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.framabook.org%2Fstallman.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8Jan 25 00:24
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_Goblinemail sent roy.Jan 25 00:27
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tessier__Looking...Jan 25 00:28
schestowitzHeyJan 25 00:28
schestowitzSame as yesterdayJan 25 00:28
schestowitzSymtpomsJan 25 00:28
schestowitzBut I cannot restart apacheJan 25 00:28
tessier__yeah....I see the issue.Jan 25 00:28
schestowitzNiceJan 25 00:28
schestowitzAt least if we know what it is... :-)Jan 25 00:28
tessier__ok, back. I really need to get the proxy onto a different dedicated machine. Hopefully that can happen next weekend. I have a temporary workaround for now.Jan 25 00:33
schestowitzTHanksJan 25 00:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Albert Edwards in '05: Bernanke was the chief architect of a collapsing Ponzi scheme economy. http://bit.ly/7jpjog (via @mparent77772)Jan 25 00:48
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schestowitz_Goblin: Charles Arthur has just mailed mJan 25 00:48
schestowitzre next week, give me some days to find out what's going onJan 25 00:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "middle classes..not benefiting at all from economic growth"; rather, inequality soars in UK, US, developed countries: http://bit.ly/7jpjogJan 25 00:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "in the US & UK...extreme inequality could strain the fabric of society far closer to breaking point." Edwards http://bit.ly/7jpjog (Duh)Jan 25 00:51
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MinceRhm, gates learned coding from code fished out of garbage cans -- maybe that's why he writes code that belongs in garbage cans :>Jan 25 00:52
schestowitzQuotable....Jan 25 00:52
MyfraudsoftI don't think Gates writes code anymoreJan 25 00:54
_Goblin charles arthur?Jan 25 00:56
Myfraudsofthe is into GMO and patents now (Monsanto?)Jan 25 00:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@peterdaou what scares me: consensus about Reagan's 'greatness' more widespread than ever // #Stalin is being rehabilitated in RussiaJan 25 00:56
MinceRwell, others have learned from him, apparentlyJan 25 00:57
_Goblinschestowitz: Who is Charles Arthur?Jan 25 00:58
schestowitzGuardian editorJan 25 01:00
schestowitzHe's not happy with being exposedJan 25 01:00
_Goblinah...Jan 25 01:00
schestowitzANd he doesn't wish to talk about it publicly, eitherJan 25 01:00
schestowitzMyfraudsoft: whatever makes a buckJan 25 01:01
schestowitzAs long as he can market it as "saving the world"Jan 25 01:01
_Goblinwhich post of yours is he referring too? (Sorry I haven't been keeping up)Jan 25 01:01
schestowitz3 of themJan 25 01:01
_GoblinI'd say be careful....if not on a legal footing more on the resources he could use to put his point across.Jan 25 01:02
schestowitzHis defence is extremely weakJan 25 01:02
_Goblinat the expense of any "bad publicity"Jan 25 01:02
schestowitzWhich is why I believe he refuses to comment publicly by creating an accountJan 25 01:03
schestowitz_Goblin: nothing legalJan 25 01:03
schestowitzWe criticised with factsJan 25 01:03
_Goblinno but when dealing with those people (in "power") there are many resources they can use to "challenge" you.Jan 25 01:04
_Goblinyou think covert observation is intrusive? history has shown that some news outlets are more than happy to defend their position with it.Jan 25 01:05
Myfraudsoftschestowitz: yeah, but the mainstream media portrays gates as a philanthropistJan 25 01:05
schestowitzNot him, I don't think, _GoblinJan 25 01:05
schestowitzI actually defended himJan 25 01:06
schestowitzIn the posts...Jan 25 01:06
schestowitzI defend ArthurJan 25 01:06
schestowitzCause he is the saner oneJan 25 01:06
schestowitzUnlike Microsoft Jack and few othersJan 25 01:06
schestowitzMicrosoft Jack has a reputation of Microsoft boosters... since years agoJan 25 01:06
_Goblinlike I say.....be careful there.  I no nothing about this chap and Im sure he's a decent fellow but who has his ear? (if anyone)Jan 25 01:06
schestowitzMyfraudsoft: they can also portray Stalin as a humanist, it doesn't make it trueJan 25 01:07
schestowitzGates gives them moneyJan 25 01:07
schestowitzSo to them (the media), he's whatever his PR department tells themJan 25 01:07
_Goblinive mailed you btw...I am looking forward to seeing this documentary when its made.Jan 25 01:08
schestowitz_Goblin: it's publications like Guardian that get bullied by companiesJan 25 01:08
schestowitzNot publications they bully blogsJan 25 01:08
schestowitzAnd rightly soJan 25 01:08
schestowitzThe companies that do the ad affairs with them (that's how they bribe them) also tell them to change storiesJan 25 01:08
schestowitzI listened to this earlier:   http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_337-01-20-10.oggJan 25 01:09
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schestowitzThis dude, a CEO of a company, pressures the reviewer to change his nagative reviewJan 25 01:09
schestowitzSo he's blowing the whistle on himJan 25 01:09
ender2070__Stalin is NO humanistJan 25 01:09
ender2070__LOLJan 25 01:09
schestowitzMicrosoft has PR bunnies like W-E to pressures journalists to print their storiesJan 25 01:09
schestowitzLike the Vista 7 PR charadeJan 25 01:09
ender2070__I guess to those who favour population control, those people must revere himJan 25 01:09
schestowitzIt's mostly fakeJan 25 01:10
schestowitzThey put half a billion in a pot and find artistic ways to bribe peopleJan 25 01:10
_Goblinwhat? those Windows 7 party ads wernt real? ;)Jan 25 01:10
schestowitzfree trips to Redmond, favours, prior (NDAs) access to "hot" stories, free laptops...Jan 25 01:10
schestowitzI won't be bullies into stopping to inform people of itJan 25 01:10
ender2070__there was that one guy who got a laptop w/ windows for trollingJan 25 01:11
ender2070__he wrote a letter to apple i think offering them services for apple hardwareJan 25 01:11
schestowitzDa CostaJan 25 01:11
ender2070__yesJan 25 01:11
_GoblinlolJan 25 01:11
schestowitz_Goblin exposed himJan 25 01:11
_Goblinhe's one of mine....Jan 25 01:11
ender2070__grats dudeJan 25 01:11
_Goblinalthough Chips did the digging and found a photo of him the offending laptopJan 25 01:12
ender2070__the awesome part is that he didnt deny it, he was braggingJan 25 01:12
_Goblinand knew (in rumour) about it long before I went to Microsoft Watch.Jan 25 01:12
schestowitzHe seemingly vanished fro  some fora after he had ben unmaskedJan 25 01:12
schestowitzSame with others Jan 25 01:12
schestowitzFake journalists and stuffJan 25 01:12
ender2070__probably got a call from microsoftJan 25 01:12
schestowitzOOXML shillsJan 25 01:12
_Goblinadacosta is still active in twitter.Jan 25 01:12
ender2070__"shut up or we'll sue you and take the laptop back"Jan 25 01:12
schestowitzThere are many more such laptopsJan 25 01:13
schestowitzThey also pay people to twitJan 25 01:13
schestowitzAnd to play /.Jan 25 01:13
schestowitzAnd DiggJan 25 01:13
schestowitzI found a press release about itJan 25 01:13
schestowitzThey contract people to do thisJan 25 01:13
schestowitzIt's criminalJan 25 01:13
ender2070__if they live outside the US, theres not much that can be done about itJan 25 01:14
schestowitzBut then again, in the land of George W Bush, laws are looseJan 25 01:14
ender2070__they are exempt from astroturfing lawsJan 25 01:14
schestowitzIt's OK as long as you make money!!Jan 25 01:14
schestowitzFTCJan 25 01:14
schestowitzMicrosoft is still a criminal companiesJan 25 01:14
schestowitzI have some posts t work on soonJan 25 01:14
schestowitzThere's lots more to expose this week, but I will have little spare timeJan 25 01:15
ender2070__politicsJan 25 01:15
ender2070__break the word in half, poly = many, tics = blood sucking insectsJan 25 01:15
schestowitzThe Net Applications Big Lie keeps spreadingJan 25 01:15
schestowitzIt's like an illnessJan 25 01:15
schestowitzWar is peaceJan 25 01:15
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/187509/eu_says_ok_to_oraclesun_rambussamsung_deal.htmlJan 25 01:16
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schestowitzender2070__: politicians will always be corruptJan 25 01:16
schestowitzNo matter the type of systemJan 25 01:16
ender2070__net applications survey is based upon those who use net applications - which a majority of people don'tJan 25 01:16
schestowitzSome can be more corrupt, some lessJan 25 01:16
schestowitzSome more corruptible, some immuneJan 25 01:16
schestowitzBut if people did not fight back, then we'd lose power altotherJan 25 01:16
ender2070__I heard of the new US precedent, allows congress people to accept any money they want from lobbyists, no accountabilityJan 25 01:17
schestowitzAll throughout history it has been like thatJan 25 01:17
schestowitzIn Brazil there is still a lot of slaveryJan 25 01:17
schestowitzAt least they do well at softwareJan 25 01:17
ender2070__slavery is worldwideJan 25 01:17
schestowitzPortugal was one of the biggest opposer to abolishment of slaveryJan 25 01:17
schestowitzWatch what their presidents does notJan 25 01:17
schestowitz*nowJan 25 01:17
schestowitzIn bed with BIlG and his croniesJan 25 01:17
ender2070__just depends on your mindset, if you consider yourself a slave or notJan 25 01:17
schestowitzender2070__: surprisingly, Obama went against the Supreme Court against that decision on lobbribesJan 25 01:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Beautiful *colour* pictures of #Russia, 100 years ago: http://www.museum.ru/1812/Memorial/PG/colorpg_3.html #photographyJan 25 01:18
ender2070__schestowitz - i think overall obama isn't too badJan 25 01:18
ender2070__schestowitz - he may have been concerned with lobbribes if congress ever got replaced with mostly republicansJan 25 01:19
ender2070__bah its all a circus anywaysJan 25 01:20
schestowitzHe's not as bad as the predecessorJan 25 01:20
schestowitzI never said he wasJan 25 01:20
ender2070__yeahJan 25 01:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "if they can spend all the money they want..they will implant legislators of their choice in every office"(DUH) http://j.mp/8AUCl4 via EbertJan 25 01:20
ender2070__well, my toes do a better job than BushJan 25 01:20
schestowitzNeo-cons are murderJan 25 01:20
ender2070__they can hold a book right side upJan 25 01:21
Myfraudsoftschestowitz: how big is FOSS in Brazil anyway?Jan 25 01:22
ender2070__however it doesnt really matter who is in power because the UN drafts up a lot of the laws they approve anywaysJan 25 01:22
schestowitzMyfraudsoft: maybe ovr 10%Jan 25 01:22
schestowitzThat's what people from Brazil told meJan 25 01:23
MyfraudsoftI've seen figures as high as 20% for GNU/Linux desktop installations but I'm not sureJan 25 01:23
schestowitzDepends how it's measures and what device class/dual-boot/etcJan 25 01:23
schestowitzMyfraudsoft: but they don't matterJan 25 01:23
schestowitzOnly the West mattersJan 25 01:24
schestowitzWhen it comes to search, xbox, etc.Jan 25 01:24
schestowitzWest, West, West...Jan 25 01:24
schestowitzChina?Jan 25 01:24
Myfraudsoftwhy?Jan 25 01:24
schestowitzWho cares /sarcasmJan 25 01:24
Myfraudsoftoh, sarcasmJan 25 01:24
schestowitzThere's a billion of themJan 25 01:24
ender2070__China is the UN's model state for the worldJan 25 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Olbermann lays it out for the slow-to-uptake. http://j.mp/8AUCl4 #scotus = Disaster for conservative, liberal, ALL AMERICANSJan 25 01:24
schestowitzBirth control-wise mayebJan 25 01:24
_GoblinMyfraudsoft: where have I seen your handle before?.....Microsoftwatch? COLA? or somewhere else?Jan 25 01:24
Myfraudsoftyeah, MS-watchJan 25 01:25
ender2070__world socialismJan 25 01:25
_Goblinthought so.....Jan 25 01:25
Myfraudsoftnot COLA thoughJan 25 01:25
ender2070__socialism is a combination of communism and capitalistic ideasJan 25 01:25
_Goblinnice to type to you!Jan 25 01:25
Myfraudsoft:)Jan 25 01:25
schestowitzender2070__: China is a big producerJan 25 01:25
schestowitzIf the world was a termites mound, the West would be a phat queenJan 25 01:26
ender2070__China is a big producer, the worlds biggestJan 25 01:26
ender2070__yet they need money to stop polluting the earth? come onJan 25 01:26
ender2070__thats bsJan 25 01:26
ender2070__they are lending the US moneyJan 25 01:26
schestowitzender2070__: socialist rescues the illusion of capitalism when it collapsesJan 25 01:26
schestowitzIt's a cyclic thingJan 25 01:26
ender2070__correctJan 25 01:27
schestowitzWe bail out the rich whom we love so, so very muchJan 25 01:27
schestowitzWe depend on them /sarcasmJan 25 01:27
ender2070__:)Jan 25 01:27
schestowitzThey give us jobs, and food... and clothesJan 25 01:27
ender2070__you know what would be nice?Jan 25 01:27
schestowitzThey let us 'rent' a field on which to grow crops :-)Jan 25 01:27
ender2070__if there was a single country on earth, where you could own some land and not pay taxes simply for being thereJan 25 01:27
schestowitzI recently watched a good film from Berkeley about the farmsJan 25 01:28
schestowitzAlso in MongoliaJan 25 01:28
schestowitzThey privatise more of natureJan 25 01:28
ender2070__the UN is taking away peoples farms, reason? carbon sinksJan 25 01:28
schestowitzThey lease it to farmer who go bankrupt and hand it over to mechanised food production that's harmfulJan 25 01:28
schestowitzI wonder if I can find that again.......Jan 25 01:28
schestowitzhttp://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2256634/realnetworks-joins-patch-paradeJan 25 01:28
schestowitzender2070__: Africa is very inhibitableJan 25 01:29
schestowitzThe seed of humanityJan 25 01:29
schestowitzCentral AfricaJan 25 01:29
ender2070__IraqJan 25 01:29
ender2070__actuallyJan 25 01:29
schestowitzAlthough I think the first ones are from around EthiopiaJan 25 01:29
schestowitzender2070__: noJan 25 01:29
ender2070__SumeriaJan 25 01:29
schestowitzThat's civilised humanityJan 25 01:29
ender2070__ohhh rightJan 25 01:29
schestowitzThey migratedJan 25 01:30
schestowitzLater to IndiaJan 25 01:30
Myfraudsoftregarding small farms bankcrupcy...Monsanto plays a role thereJan 25 01:30
schestowitzWhere they domesticated elephantsJan 25 01:30
schestowitzMon SANTA!Jan 25 01:30
schestowitzKids like Mon santa!Jan 25 01:30
ender2070__lolJan 25 01:30
MyfraudsoftMon-satanJan 25 01:30
schestowitzWhat a name they chose... geezJan 25 01:30
schestowitzMicro=smallJan 25 01:31
schestowitzSoftJan 25 01:31
schestowitzIn realityJan 25 01:31
schestowitzTheftJan 25 01:31
schestowitzBullyingJan 25 01:31
schestowitzBribesJan 25 01:31
schestowitzCorruptionJan 25 01:31
schestowitzEtc.Jan 25 01:31
schestowitz"We're just micro-and-soft"Jan 25 01:31
schestowitz"Leave us aloneee..."Jan 25 01:31
Myfraudsoftperception managementJan 25 01:31
schestowitz[sez gentle man in sweater]Jan 25 01:31
schestowitzThe guy who calls for "Jihads" against rivalsJan 25 01:32
schestowitzhttp://www.military-technologies.net/2010/01/23/montavista-software-selected-by-bae-systems-to-power-new-artillery-and-naval-gun-systems/Jan 25 01:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MontaVista Software Selected By BAE Systems to Power New Artillery and Naval Gun Systems | Mil-Tech .::. Size~: 19.56 KBJan 25 01:33
schestowitzVicious, criminal companies that kill civilians abroad to use LinuxJan 25 01:33
schestowitzMeh.Jan 25 01:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Lobbyists must be pissed. Supreme Court just legislated out the need for such middlemen. #scotus #failJan 25 01:36
schestowitz"Clinton denounced Chinese government censorship of the Internet. She apparently did not denounce Internet censorship in "democratic" governments such as Denmark, Australia, and soon Poland." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#24%20January%202010%20%28Hillary%20Clinton%20takes%20stand%20on%20internet%20freedom...somewhere%20else%29Jan 25 01:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Lobbyists must be pissed. Supreme Court just legislated out the need for such middlemen. #scotus #failJan 25 01:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 oops. ought to have been RTJan 25 01:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jan/21/journalist-safety-russia (Russian journalist dies after beating in police custody)Jan 25 01:41
schestowitzhttp://site.pfaw.org/site/MessageViewer?dlv_id=14581&em_id=12261.0Jan 25 01:41
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schestowitzhttp://www.opensource.org/node/500Jan 25 01:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Remembering Martin Luther King Jr. | Open Source Initiative .::. Size~: 9.4 KBJan 25 01:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@diveintomark Reddit asks "how many of u have ever seen a floppy disk" & suddenly I feel so very, very old /wait till: "used a punch card"Jan 25 01:45
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-Week-Microsoft-holes-and-the-Oracle-Sun-deal-closes-911589.htmlJan 25 01:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The H Week - Microsoft holes and the Oracle/Sun deal closes - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 36.64 KBJan 25 01:51
Eruaran" the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate corporations' influence on elections" - Yikes!Jan 25 01:52
EruaranGives a whole new meaning to a phrase like, "corporate America"Jan 25 01:53
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schestowitzEruaran: yes, I have 3 links about it comingJan 25 01:56
schestowitzIn the Daily LinksJan 25 01:57
schestowitzThey just made it more official that it's legal now...Jan 25 01:57
schestowitzLobbyists as middlemen may not longer be as necessaryJan 25 01:57
schestowitzThe electors will be corporations, not peopleJan 25 01:57
schestowitzThey can limit who's eligible for campaigns and who is electableJan 25 01:57
schestowitzObama had about $2bn invested in him to get electedJan 25 01:58
schestowitzBig Banks were among his funders... not lobbyists... he pretended not to be paid by companies, but the Microsoft executives too bribed himJan 25 01:58
oiaohmMost countires without backing of companies you don't have the advertising power to get into goverment.Jan 25 01:59
oiaohmLack of laws controlling advertising have caused this problem.Jan 25 02:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A society that tortures & kills those placed entirely in its power&passes this fact by...is plunging into the dark side http://bit.ly/4IkoHOJan 25 02:02
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oiaohmhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=1663&tag=content;col1 Another case of zdnet doing damage control for MS.Jan 25 02:08
oiaohmThe facts don't support doing damage control on it.  Leaving reported bugs un patched for months is only asking for trouble.Jan 25 02:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So basically, in this new order, Corporations are what we once called Political Parties. #scotus #failJan 25 02:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I short-circuited a bunch of thinking there, but do you dig.Jan 25 02:09
schestowitzoiaohm: Bott *IS* MicrosoftJan 25 02:13
schestowitzAn extension of themJan 25 02:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RiahLahren Is Denmark a country // google it ; or was that rhetorical?Jan 25 02:13
oiaohmAnd they are also panic mercents as well.  We still have about 10 years before ipv4 will reach critical.Jan 25 02:14
oiaohmEven then there are other solutions.Jan 25 02:14
oiaohmIe proxies.Jan 25 02:14
oiaohmhttp://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-385195.html?tag=content;col1Jan 25 02:16
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oiaohmReally how many companies need there own IP address.Jan 25 02:16
oiaohmIPv6 does not address the network back bone problems.Jan 25 02:17
oiaohmproxies/load blancers.Jan 25 02:19
oiaohmISP's could sell a virtual server redirects for a long time with cache on it so reducing traffic.Jan 25 02:19
ender2070__LOLJan 25 02:20
ender2070__guess who said this:Jan 25 02:20
ender2070__What is your favorite system of government?Jan 25 02:20
ender2070__Me, as "Benevolent Despot for Life". Failing that, oligarchy, as long as I'm one of the few.Jan 25 02:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Representation *is* the essence of #programming." Fred Brooks http://gigamonkeys.com/book/numbers-characters-and-strings.html #lispJan 25 02:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RiahLahren parts of Vermont, Texas, Alaska, Quebec want to be. :)Jan 25 02:22
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schestowitz> Hey Roy,Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz> Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz> Just a _thought_ about Microsoft and vendor lock-in. In South Korea,Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz> everyone uses Windows and everything is written for Internet Explorer.Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz> As far as my Korean friends tell me, even banks use ActiveX forJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> Internet banking! While China has lots of sites which might beJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> designed for IE only (as you mention in "But China Remains Stuck"), inJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> Korea there's no other choice. If you want to browse the web in Korea,Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz> you pretty much must use Internet Explorer and Windows. Macs are notJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> popular there for this reason.Jan 25 02:33
schestowitzYes, I've found about 5 articles about in over the past 2 years.Jan 25 02:33
satiperaA few weeks ago I complained to the Guardian for making infomercials as pointed out by BN.Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz Jan 25 02:33
schestowitz> I don't have any specific examples, but this sort of thing might beJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> worth looking into. I'm certain that North Korea would have beenJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> having a super time over the last few decades, cracking into SouthJan 25 02:33
schestowitz> Korean computers!Jan 25 02:33
schestowitzWell, the communists use Linux :-)Jan 25 02:33
schestowitzThe US has a vast number of military bases in Korea (and I mean VAST).Jan 25 02:33
schestowitzsatipera: did you see what I said about them earlier?Jan 25 02:34
schestowitzTheir main/only tech editor is taking in into personal mail to tell me off, which I didn't appreciate because his points are bunk. If he doesn't like this publicity, he should try harder with his stuff. He's actually the OK guy, the Microsoft fans beneath him cause a lot of trouble, esp. Jack.Jan 25 02:35
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schestowitzI'm gonna post some daily links........Jan 25 02:35
satiperatoday I had an email from the Guardian (Special.Sections.Mail@guardian.co.uk) saying...Jan 25 02:37
tessier__schestowitz: Vast? How many?Jan 25 02:37
schestowitzMaybe 50?Jan 25 02:39
schestowitzI must be remembering wrongJan 25 02:39
schestowitzMaybe 20Jan 25 02:39
schestowitzI could look it upJan 25 02:39
satipera"that post and the associated ones are the biggest load of nonsense I've seen on the web for quite a while." but the email is not signed you might want to take it up with them, or you might not.Jan 25 02:39
schestowitzBut it's in video from a history professor who worked with the defence peopleJan 25 02:39
schestowitztessier__: the total in the world is over 700 (outside the US, official #) and in reality it's claimed over 1,000 exist, some disguised as something eleseJan 25 02:41
schestowitz*Else (like RAF bases)Jan 25 02:41
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tessier__Seems unlikely to me.Jan 25 02:50
tessier__Maybe they are counting every embassy and consulate.Jan 25 02:50
schestowitzMaybeJan 25 02:51
tessier__Having spent time at the consulate in HCMC I can say it is hardly a "base". There are a few marines guarding the entrance and that's it.Jan 25 02:51
schestowitzBut it's very dense thereJan 25 02:51
tessier__dense where?Jan 25 02:51
schestowitzI could find the sources for you, it's not disputable really, I just can't recall the numbersJan 25 02:51
schestowitztessier__: in KoreaJan 25 02:51
schestowitzTiny placeJan 25 02:51
schestowitzMany basesJan 25 02:51
tessier__I bet they count every Korean base as a US base. Jan 25 02:52
schestowitzIt's a UC professional who spoke about it and I saw it in other places too... same numbersJan 25 02:52
schestowitztessier__: maybe, but that would be an odd countJan 25 02:52
tessier__All from the same source?Jan 25 02:52
tessier__After the Cold War the US really scaled back.Jan 25 02:52
schestowitzYesJan 25 02:54
schestowitzMaybe those bases are mostly vacantJan 25 02:54
schestowitzBut I don't trust lousy sourcesJan 25 02:55
schestowitzI think you can find the numbers in fairly official sources like .govJan 25 02:55
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tessier__We would have to negotiate a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) for each of those bases.Jan 25 02:55
schestowitzThink about the military budgetJan 25 02:55
tessier__It's much smaller than it used to be.Jan 25 02:55
schestowitzThe part of it that's not concealed by admissionJan 25 02:55
schestowitzI hope soJan 25 02:55
schestowitzIt's a lot of excesss workforceJan 25 02:56
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schestowitzLike the SOviets burning themselves from within by industrialising to refine plutonium or whateverJan 25 02:56
schestowitzThe military is indutralisedJan 25 02:57
schestowitzLike a companyJan 25 02:57
schestowitzMany of themJan 25 02:57
schestowitzLockheed.... the mercenaries...Jan 25 02:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I guess @ joanwalsh prefers to tweet ball game than think about Gates cabal running the HuffPoJan 25 02:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I saw an article ~4 hours ago in El Reg saying that this was lobbying seedeed in HuffPo (it said so)Jan 25 03:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 however, the seeding was also done by a public talk he gave, which the placement was based on IMHOJan 25 03:01
satipera0........Jan 25 03:04
satiperaRoy, what on earth are you doing up at this hour?Jan 25 03:05
satiperai assumed the americas took over in the small hoursJan 25 03:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @RWRenfrew all-spin interview w/sweat lodge organiser James Arthur Ray http://bit.ly/6FYtjG //he still hopes to pull an OJ. Greed kills.Jan 25 03:15
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schestowitzsatipera: my sleeping hours vary :-)Jan 25 03:21
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schestowitztessier__: 725 military basesJan 25 03:26
schestowitzsrc: < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0 >Jan 25 03:26
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schestowitztessier__: 101 military bases on Korea, he saysJan 25 03:27
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ender2070chavez said us used an earthquake weapon on haiti - http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116688&sectionid=351020704Jan 25 03:33
ender2070US used*Jan 25 03:33
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schestowitzender2070: rnb says he didn't say soJan 25 03:34
schestowitzA Russian paper said he said soJan 25 03:34
schestowitzrnb: pingJan 25 03:34
ender2070Former US Secretary of Defense William Cohen in 1997 expressed concerned over countries engaging "in eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves." Jan 25 03:35
ender2070interestingJan 25 03:35
schestowitzMaybe he did say it, but given the distortions that I saw about him, I can't trust without verificationJan 25 03:35
schestowitzender2070: yes, it's illegal to use weapons that change climateJan 25 03:36
schestowitzBut it's not as though law and Geneva conventions are honoured during warJan 25 03:36
ender2070the weather warfare treatyJan 25 03:36
ender2070the problem is - how do you prove it, especially when everyone is screaming "climate change"Jan 25 03:37
ender2070then you have pat robertson "THEY MADE A PACT... WITH THE DEVIL!"Jan 25 03:37
ender2070 <schestowitz> A Russian paper said he said soJan 25 03:41
ender2070he quoted a russian report he receivedJan 25 03:41
tessier__ender2070: Chavez is a total nutterJan 25 03:41
tessier__ender2070: Although it isn't clear to me whether he said it or one of his ministers etc. said it.Jan 25 03:41
ender2070the UN doesn't have a treaty against using weather control for military purposes, if it didnt existJan 25 03:42
tessier__hehJan 25 03:42
ender2070western companies use him as a bad guy in video gamesJan 25 03:43
ender2070which is when I first heard of him earlierJan 25 03:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "La La Land" looks worth watching http://bit.ly/5XUxK0 #moviesJan 25 03:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft exec begs for customised law in HuffPo op-ed &press release http://bit.ly/4pzLxe Just buy the damn Law already (via @schestowitz)Jan 25 03:53
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schestowitztessier__: akismet can't be reachedJan 25 03:54
schestowitzMight there be some different server config since about 1 hour ago?Jan 25 03:54
schestowitz"A DNS problem or firewall is preventing all access from your web server to Akismet.com. Akismet cannot work correctly until this is fixed. Please contact your web host or firewall administrator and give them this information about Akismet and firewalls."Jan 25 03:55
schestowitzWe had this issue twice before, not sure how it was resolved...Jan 25 03:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Bad governments love big storage http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=766 #fisa #china #nsa #fbi #wiretapping // and I like a bold headlineJan 25 03:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Person Explains Why #GNU #Linux is Better and Another Explains How It's Different http://ur1.ca/klte http://ur1.ca/kltfJan 25 04:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If poor people had equal political clout (contra oligarchy)... they might make laws in favour of poor people! No wonder the elite is scared.Jan 25 04:31
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schestowitzHmm...... DNS is still down... tessier , are you around?Jan 25 04:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The thing is broken on every level: 2 parties=broken. Lobby system=broken. #SCOTUS decsn=broken. Mil/ind oligarchy=broken. Where's the exit?Jan 25 04:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Buying a #GNU #Linux Desktop/Laptop Just Got Easier http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42647Jan 25 04:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] On same Times page, Sarah Palin's death's head stares. I'm sure Palin, like Iris, often craves escape into "coolness&poise of a work of art"Jan 25 04:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Or maybe not.Jan 25 04:44
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schestowitz"@aseigo don't be discouraged by Carla's remarks. As an advanced, longtime user of #KDE I love version 4"Jan 25 04:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Elizabeth Wilmshurst: only #UK official to resign before #iraq; she, Wood, Goldsmith tell Chilcott invasion was illegal http://bit.ly/61MxY0Jan 25 04:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Slackware 13 and a Switch to #ArchLinux http://ur1.ca/klur http://ur1.ca/klusJan 25 04:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MS exec on Intel chip engineers '02: "it is a crime that these guys are running #Linux &..a shame that we can't get them to move to Windows"Jan 25 05:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Same exec: 'unless it is a top-down initiative at Intel to "just make this happen", this will not get traction' http://bit.ly/6NIWKKJan 25 05:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 source?Jan 25 05:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Intel ran a EDA migration project..in early 99, to move to NT4..got badly burned on this..recommended..Linux instead' http://bit.ly/6NIWKKJan 25 05:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Emperor @BillGates, referring to plan to get Intel EDA off Linux and on Windows: "Where are we on this Jihad?" http://bit.ly/6NIWKKJan 25 05:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/12/bill-gates-jihad-vs-linux/Jan 25 05:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hm, why not let the customer decide what platform they prefer? Intel was very happy w/ Linux/Unix for core engineering. http://bit.ly/6NIWKKJan 25 05:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Gates: "Do I need to be calling and emailing Ottelini to get this back on tract??" [sic] http://bit.ly/6NIWKK Engineers didn't want #WindowsJan 25 05:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Variants of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Appear http://ur1.ca/klwg http://ur1.ca/klwhJan 25 05:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MS exec: "at #Intel, the developer crowd was raised on Unix/Linux. They just don't WANT to move ... may be an area that Otellini could help"Jan 25 05:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #iStorage DiskGenie from a #GNU #Linux User http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2010/01/stuff-that-works-with-linux-4.htmlJan 25 05:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MS exec: "If we don't get #Intel off of #Linux internally-we'll never get the *cultural* alignment that we want. ..."Jan 25 05:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "...There are simply too many folks at Intel who use/love the stuff and want to improve it. We can *not* stop trying to win this project."Jan 25 05:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Coming from Sony http://katonda.com/product-watch/sonys-first-linux-phone/603/2010Jan 25 05:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz gotcha, thanksJan 25 05:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Gains Serious Traction, Windows Drops Four-fold in Ads http://ur1.ca/klwx http://ur1.ca/klwyJan 25 05:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ugh. always feel so sullied after reading #microsoft internal email. bunch of chefs debating how to cook babies. /me goes to wash handsJan 25 05:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Boycott Novell made it into the press with this story one year agoJan 25 05:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Moves to #FreeSoftware in Government of New Zealand, US Opens Up http://ur1.ca/klx3 http://ur1.ca/klx4Jan 25 05:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz right. just stumbled on it via PJ's latest Comes piece.Jan 25 05:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nouveau #KMS Support and #OpenSolaris Support http://ur1.ca/klx6 http://ur1.ca/klx7 #linux oracleJan 25 05:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Expands Windows Awareness Campaign, #GPL Hailed http://ur1.ca/klx9 http://ur1.ca/klxaJan 25 05:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks and ARM: Best is Yet to Come http://ur1.ca/klxe http://ur1.ca/klxgJan 25 05:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Microsoft is winning in evangelism by carefully outplacing executives who push their platforms from the top down' http://bit.ly/8W4xmeJan 25 05:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ARM processors to overtake Intel in mobile devices by 2013? | Netbook Choice .::. Size~: 38.43 KBJan 25 05:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GIMP 2.8 to Comes This Year with Single-Windows Mode http://ur1.ca/klxk http://ur1.ca/klxlJan 25 05:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why doesn't #China steal+copy #Apple's designs? Because "they don't use Windows at Apple, or people who need #Windows" http://bit.ly/8W4xmeJan 25 05:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware for #FogComputing Gains Popularity http://ur1.ca/klxu http://ur1.ca/klxvJan 25 05:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 search for Intel in Botcott Novell's Wiki. That's just one among several.Jan 25 05:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @salleegal @Philanthropy Bill Gates Calls for New Innovative Ideas to Fuck things up even more than he has already http://twurl.nl/w01sa1Jan 25 05:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FreeSoftware Releases: Parrot, #GNU SIP Witch, #icecat http://ur1.ca/kly0 http://ur1.ca/kly1 http://ur1.ca/kly2Jan 25 05:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Gotta watch the old ticker. Besides I'm procrastinating some actual coding.Jan 25 05:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 coding won't save us when there's crimeJan 25 05:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ethical/green banks in #Ontario - this page says Vancity or Desjardins. other suggestions? http://climatefriendlybanking.com/switch_banks/Jan 25 05:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #sourceforge now blocking downloads from US embargo countries. http://bit.ly/4YjTDW Open source community: Move your stuff off Sourceforge.Jan 25 05:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I'm a coder myself, what do you think got me into advocacy?Jan 25 05:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 yes, @glymoody thought Sourceforge was just being suppressiveJan 25 05:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] USA lectures #China on "net freedom" while other hand blocks access to free software (not even US product) http://bit.ly/4YjTDW #sourceforgeJan 25 05:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Remarks on the Need for #Ogg in #HTML5 http://shaver.off.net/diary/2010/01/23/html5-video-and-codecs/Jan 25 05:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz your point is well taken, but I know about the crimes. Reading about them doesn't achieve any more than doing real work :)Jan 25 05:54
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Ender2070cubezzz - you there?Jan 25 05:56
Ender2070cubezzz - you might be interested in this: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/bra/sys/1568825037.htmlJan 25 05:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BBC Enters the Dark Side and Punished #FreeSoftware Using #DRM http://ur1.ca/klyoJan 25 05:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I have friends who move to #Linux only after being educatd about these crimeJan 25 05:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Your friends are smart. :)Jan 25 05:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Shows It's Just a Secretive Conspiracy, #Obama Support #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/klyr http://ur1.ca/klysJan 25 05:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Like most other things, Stan Lem prefigured the coming era of robot-vs-robot warfare in his masterpiece "Peace on Earth". UAV-vs-UAV #booksJan 25 06:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Now I am craving some Lem. Fiasco? another masterpiece. #books ...currently reading Thomas Disch, Camp Concentration. We shall see.Jan 25 06:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@twitter I want my autocomplete on nicks #kthxbai / shall I just freakin code it for you?Jan 25 06:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Make failure your teacher, not your undertaker. Ziglar #quote #humor RT @anthonystevens4 @paulvharris @AskAaronLee @ProfSJan 25 07:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm participating in the #UbuntuDeveloperWeek ! It's awesome!! :-D Don't miss it! http://tinyurl.com/afxfjtJan 25 09:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm participating in the #UbuntuDeveloperWeek ! It's awesome!! :-D Don't miss it! http://tinyurl.com/afxfjtJan 25 09:55
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mikeychey royJan 25 10:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Back to work after a weekend of headaches.Jan 25 10:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Task Manager on Android (HTC Hero) phone is handy app. Found a couple of apps running/installed that I dont use anymore. Uninstalling.. #fbJan 25 10:35
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schestowitzHEy, mikeycJan 25 10:45
mikeychey roy whats new, have been in the gymJan 25 10:46
mikeychave you been in the gymJan 25 10:46
schestowitzNopeJan 25 10:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @jwildeboer "NZ school ditches MSFT and goes totally Open Source" - http://is.gd/6ZtaqJan 25 10:56
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schestowitzmikeyc: have a listen to this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlX8eQWmL20&feature=relatedJan 25 11:01
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mikeyclistenedJan 25 11:14
schestowitzmikeyc: I'll flying down to London next weekJan 25 11:15
schestowitzFirst time in a few yearsJan 25 11:16
oiaohmhttp://katonda.com/product-watch/sonys-first-linux-phone/603/2010Jan 25 11:32
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mikeychow come you are flying down. oh btw. i have a first class train ticket which was bought in error, it is frm manchester to london on sunday the 21st feb at 2pm would it be of any use to you? Jan 25 11:37
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, I saw thatJan 25 11:41
schestowitzmikeyc: not on these dates, no...Jan 25 11:41
schestowitzBut thanksJan 25 11:41
oiaohmhttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2010-01/msg00316.html  Open Source handling of opps we broke a licenceJan 25 11:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $180,000,000 in #Microsoft #Crime Money Comes to Iowa (and Memories of $700,000,000+ #RealNetworks Settlement) http://ur1.ca/kmg3Jan 25 11:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: $180,000,000 in Microsoft Crime Money Comes to Iowa (and Memories of $700,000,000+ RealNetworks Settlement) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.25 KBJan 25 11:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Please Retweet and Sign this Petition 'Make YouTube use open media codecs' - http://301.to/fwzJan 25 11:47
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EruaranOh... apparently I have already signed the petitionJan 25 11:50
oiaohmReally we need to push for patents on media to be voided.Jan 25 11:53
schestowitzNot on media :-)Jan 25 12:03
schestowitzOn media containmentJan 25 12:03
schestowitzIf I want to watch a video, I need to pay for the videoJan 25 12:03
schestowitzNot the format it's stuck inJan 25 12:03
oiaohmWhat annoys me most you are not allowed to patent encryption maths yet call it a video format and you are in business.Jan 25 12:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft gives non-Free (proprietary) software to community agencies (nonprofits) and calls it a donation http://ur1.ca/kmgxJan 25 12:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @omar_s_hafez Please Retweet and Sign this Petition 'Make YouTube use open media codecs' - http://301.to/fwzJan 25 12:07
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oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-defends-Firefox-s-HTML5-support-for-only-Ogg-Theora-video-912003.html   HmmJan 25 12:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mozilla defends Firefox's HTML5 support for only Ogg Theora video - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.26 KBJan 25 12:14
oiaohmBig thing the keep on missing is ogg will fall out of patent coverage first as well.Jan 25 12:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Croatian Association of #Linux Users Fights Against #Microsoft Abuse http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/hulk-croatia-for-free-software/Jan 25 12:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Mozilla refuses patented and royalty bearing H264 file format, google and youtube bashing: http://i5.be/annJan 25 12:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @schestowitz The petition looks weird.Jan 25 12:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Nokia invalidates IPCom patent in the UK, looses at the European Patent Office yesterday: http://i5.be/anpJan 25 12:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The fear of the Patent Troll, video made by "General Patent Corp", an IP-licensing and enforcement organization: http://i5.be/anqJan 25 12:41
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oiaohmhttp://www.cio.com.au/article/333686/nz_school_ditches_microsoft_goes_totally_open_sourceJan 25 12:47
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schestowitz[12:16] <oiaohm> Big thing the keep on missing is ogg will fall out of patent coverage first as well..Jan 25 12:47
schestowitzOgg is OK for patents...Jan 25 12:47
oiaohmEven against submerine patents.Jan 25 12:47
oiaohmie 2001 was the release date of ogg.  submerine patent would have to be used before 2021Jan 25 12:48
schestowitzoiaohm: I saw thatJan 25 12:48
schestowitzUbuntuJan 25 12:48
oiaohmThe other google is using was released in 2003Jan 25 12:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab : it doesJan 25 12:48
oiaohmSo until 2023 a submerine patent could turn up.Jan 25 12:48
oiaohmJust because someone has decared patents does not mean submerine patents don't exist somewhere.Jan 25 12:49
oiaohmGoogle using submerine patents are a reason should be beat 12 ways from sunday.Jan 25 12:50
oiaohmBecause once you start talking about them you have to be taken dates of complete patent coverage expirely.Jan 25 12:50
oiaohmOne of the funny ones recently.   I have been roped into scripting a warped movie.Jan 25 12:51
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Omar87_Greetings all.Jan 25 13:01
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Snowcat4http://blogs.technet.com/security/attachment/2772991.ashxJan 25 13:04
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schestowitzSnowcat4: what's in it?Jan 25 13:08
schestowitzJones is a liarJan 25 13:08
schestowitzAnd he deletes blog comments he disagrees withJan 25 13:08
schestowitzLike mine......Jan 25 13:08
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/03/firefox-fud-latest/Jan 25 13:08
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oiaohmAnnoying we will have to wait until end of year for development version of gimp to become released as stable.Jan 25 13:10
cubezzzI don't usually comment on other people's blogsJan 25 13:15
cubezzzsome people even advertise things on other people's blogsJan 25 13:16
cubezzznow I delete those as off-topicJan 25 13:16
cubezzzit just has nothing to do with the blog or forumJan 25 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Fights #Google with More #FUD , Lawsuits, and #Lobbying http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/msft-moves-against-google/Jan 25 13:20
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cubezzzok, well I've removed the last installation of doze from my computersJan 25 13:27
mariuzHello :Compiz, Patents, and Ubuntu - what’s going to happen to Compiz? read the article and the response from the Only maintainer for Compiz http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/atmnr/compiz_patents_and_ubuntu_whats_going_to_happen/c0jcff5Jan 25 13:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: smspillaz comments on Compiz, Patents, and Ubuntu - what’s going to happen to Compiz? .::. Size~: 39.49 KBJan 25 13:27
cubezzzso don't care about IE bugs :)Jan 25 13:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video About Patent Trolls (from a Patent Firm) -“Ballad of the Patent Troll” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/fear-of-the-patent-troll/Jan 25 13:27
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cubezzzanyone ask me about IE I give succinct two word reply:Jan 25 13:28
cubezzz"It's shit"Jan 25 13:29
cubezzzI was just sick of how slow XP wasJan 25 13:32
cubezzzthe virus scans, the malware scans were taking longer and longerJan 25 13:32
cubezzzit just hit the hard drive all the timeJan 25 13:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #UbuntuDeveloperWeek sessions will start today at 16:00 UTC/ 18:00 Amman-JordanJan 25 13:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #UbuntuDeveloperWeek sessions will start today at 16:00 UTC/ 18:00 Amman-Jordan (More info.: http://is.gd/6ZT6n)Jan 25 13:35
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schestowitzmariuz: hiJan 25 13:56
schestowitzYes, it's an old issueJan 25 13:57
schestowitzApple the hype company is a patent nuisanceJan 25 13:57
schestowitzlava lamp effects patents.....Jan 25 13:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Takes the Axe to Another Product, Future Grim Based on #CES http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/mobile2market-is-dead/Jan 25 14:23
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mikeychey roy, i listened to the link its very interestingJan 25 14:34
mikeycdo you think anybody will ever formally challenge the legitimacy of the fed? I mean if it's so obviously wrong how come nobody has succesfully challenged its positionJan 25 14:35
schestowitzToo few people are aware, I guessJan 25 14:36
mikeyci'm not so sure, i'm always hearing/reading articles attacking the position of the fed, quite often from very learned individuals, yet i have never heard of anyone ever legally challenging its positionJan 25 14:38
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DaemonFChttp://popup.lala.com/popup/504684637714852226Jan 25 14:43
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DaemonFCWeird Al got ahold of that one :PJan 25 14:43
mikeycthe discussion you linked likened it to a corrupt entity with the power to print money at will? Which i can understand but wouldn't every big economy have the power to print its own money and alo fraudulently given the opportunity, how does the feds position differ say from our own Royal MintJan 25 14:44
DaemonFCmikeyc: That's any central bank that's a separate entity from the governmentJan 25 14:44
mikeycsurely the government in granting the fed the license to print money would have put in place regulation to prevent money from being printed willy nilly?Jan 25 14:45
DaemonFCpretty much any major government has ended up with thatJan 25 14:45
DaemonFCmikeyc: NopeJan 25 14:45
DaemonFCno audits eitherJan 25 14:45
DaemonFCit's pretty much autonomous and has a blank check from the US TreasuryJan 25 14:45
mikeyci've heard the no audits reference before, it just seems a little oddJan 25 14:45
DaemonFCminimal oversightJan 25 14:45
DaemonFCthe US dollar is worth whatever a group of international creditors says it isJan 25 14:46
DaemonFCit's actually depreciating faster than domestic inflation would have you thinkJan 25 14:46
mikeychow does the constitution deal with a private entity producing its own money at will and the american people picking up the inflationary tab?Jan 25 14:47
DaemonFCit never said anything about it other than that Congress could regulate itJan 25 14:47
DaemonFCCongress did regulate it with the Federal Reserve Act Jan 25 14:47
DaemonFCCongress always takes the loosest interpretation of the Constitution because that's the way they can gove themselves the most powerJan 25 14:48
mikeycand this act gave the fed a mandate to print money with no questions asked at will!!??Jan 25 14:48
mikeycwas it woodrow wilson?Jan 25 14:48
DaemonFCyes, the act was written by bankersJan 25 14:48
mikeycin 1913Jan 25 14:48
DaemonFCpassed by congressmen who were bribed or threatenedJan 25 14:48
mikeycso can this act be challenged?Jan 25 14:49
DaemonFCthey murdered one congressman who wouldn't vote for itJan 25 14:49
mikeycdid kennedy oppose the fed by any chance?Jan 25 14:49
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFaddenJan 25 14:49
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DaemonFCThey poisoned himJan 25 14:49
mikeycjfk?Jan 25 14:49
DaemonFCthey also murdered a federal judge who ruled US dollars illegal in 1965 (I think)Jan 25 14:50
mikeycthe world moves in very mysterious ways:)Jan 25 14:50
DaemonFCwell, there's plenty of JFK conspiraciesJan 25 14:50
DaemonFCbut a federal judge and a US congressmen who threatened the fed get whackedJan 25 14:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Rock and Chips was very good last night. I didn't expect much from the Only Fools and Horses spin off. Nice surprise. #bbcJan 25 14:50
DaemonFCboth by being poisonedJan 25 14:50
mikeyci think roy should switch his target from microsoft to the fedJan 25 14:50
schestowitzBoth?Jan 25 14:51
DaemonFCschestowitz: YesJan 25 14:51
mikeycwe are all counting on you Roy:)Jan 25 14:51
DaemonFCA guy sued the bank because they were going to take his home cause he was behind on his mortgageJan 25 14:51
mikeycyou were born to lead, the rest of us will surely followJan 25 14:51
schestowitz[14:45] <DaemonFC> it's pretty much autonomous and has a blank check from the US TreasuryJan 25 14:51
schestowitzYes, they admit thisJan 25 14:51
schestowitzGreenspan implicitly admitted they are above the lawJan 25 14:52
DaemonFCthe judge found that the fractional reserve system used to create dollars for lending was "illegal consideration"Jan 25 14:52
DaemonFCand therefore US dollars are unconstitutional Jan 25 14:52
DaemonFCin that ruling, the jury decided the man was debt free and got to keep his houseJan 25 14:52
schestowitzThe whole thing was set up like it was a conspiracy in 1913 (Well, because it was, by definition)Jan 25 14:52
mikeycswo would you prefer a return to the gold standardJan 25 14:52
cubezzzno, I don't think soJan 25 14:53
DaemonFCmikeyc: That might work, but it's not really bulletproofJan 25 14:53
mikeycthe fractional reserve system, hmm, is that where a bank can give out loans etc for a multiple of its actual depositsJan 25 14:53
DaemonFCdemand for gold goes up and down, supply goes up and downJan 25 14:53
DaemonFCso it's still possible that the value of the money is manipulated by proxyJan 25 14:53
DaemonFCmikeyc: Yes, the bank literally counterfeits money to lend youJan 25 14:54
DaemonFC:)Jan 25 14:54
mikeycso what would be better solution, make the fed a public entity subject to open book accounting/auditing or is it not that simpleJan 25 14:54
DaemonFCshutting them downJan 25 14:54
DaemonFCabsorbing their functions into the US Treasury where they belongJan 25 14:55
DaemonFCwhere things are out in the openJan 25 14:55
mikeycand how would this likely come aboutJan 25 14:55
mikeycRoyJan 25 14:55
DaemonFCCongress has to regulate the Treasury by public lawJan 25 14:55
DaemonFCso it would be far less secretive Jan 25 14:55
cubezzzweird, the some browsers tell me what version of Microsoft Office they useJan 25 14:56
DaemonFCmikeyc: Congress would have to pass a bill to strip the fed of its authority to manage the currency and to invest the responsibility in the TreasuryJan 25 14:56
mikeyceconomics is a fascinating subjectJan 25 14:56
DaemonFCthe president would either sign it or veto it and possibly get overridden Jan 25 14:57
DaemonFCsame as any other lawJan 25 14:57
DaemonFCyou'd probably see the dollar crash in the mean timeJan 25 14:57
mikeycwe'd have to take our medicineJan 25 14:57
DaemonFChyperinflation when we audit whats left of the fedJan 25 14:57
mikeycbut it would be for the greater goodJan 25 14:57
DaemonFCfigure out how worthless the money really isJan 25 14:57
mikeycwe could be sitting on an inflationary timebombJan 25 14:58
mikeycinflation is already starting to rise beyond expectations here in the ukJan 25 14:58
DaemonFCI think an appropriate way to put this, imagine inflation in post World War I GermanyJan 25 14:58
mikeycquantitive easing/printingJan 25 14:58
DaemonFCwhere the dollar is worth penniesJan 25 14:58
mikeycor zimbabweJan 25 14:59
DaemonFCthat's one reason why no economist wants to shut down the fedJan 25 14:59
mikeycwe are not out of the woods yet by no meansJan 25 14:59
mikeycdespite the retoricJan 25 14:59
DaemonFCthey hide tons of dirty laundry about our money and what it's worthJan 25 14:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sued Again (Class Action) Over #Xbox360 , British Airways Pulls Microsoft Into Court http://ur1.ca/kmzbJan 25 14:59
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DaemonFCif the information ever got revealed, we'd be ruinedJan 25 14:59
DaemonFCthe economy is largely based on imaginary property and speculative currencyJan 25 15:01
DaemonFCit's anything but stableJan 25 15:01
DaemonFCit gets a bubble now and thenJan 25 15:01
DaemonFCthat's what Obama is trying to get done, create a bubbleJan 25 15:01
DaemonFCthere's no way to grow the economy in a stable, sustainable way, and certainly not in the three years he has leftJan 25 15:02
mikeycin order for the debt to ever be manageable productivity/population has to keep on rising so that comparitively as the generations go by the value of the debt diminishes as more money is pumped into the economy to support the growth, ie your salary now might be 20k, in thirty years that figur might be 100k, yet still with the same buying power although any debt you had would be comparitivly smallerJan 25 15:02
mikeychouse prices generally double every 10 years hereJan 25 15:03
DaemonFCmikeyc: But the population is rising, the average age is going up (less productive), and we're taking in illegal immigrants, while the number of jobs is going down by at least a million per yearJan 25 15:03
DaemonFCso population growth is more mouths to feed with less jobs to feed them withJan 25 15:03
mikeycpeople were gambling on their house prices rising so were incurring more debt (similar scenarion on a micro level)Jan 25 15:03
DaemonFCeventually you're going to get to that point here in 5-6 years where there's a tidal wave of old people retiring and getting on SOcial SecurityJan 25 15:04
DaemonFCby the time they're dead, and not drawing benefits, Social Security will be wiped outJan 25 15:04
mikeyci have no hope of ever drawing on my pensionJan 25 15:05
DaemonFCit's like a hoard of locusts decimating a field of dense vegetationJan 25 15:05
mikeycit probably wont buy me a mars bar when this is throughJan 25 15:05
DaemonFCthen there's the mass starvation that follows when there's nothing left and my generation has to wait 20 years to start retiringJan 25 15:05
DaemonFCso my generation is paying Social Security taxes so mom and dad can retire and leave us nothingJan 25 15:06
DaemonFCbut the generation that fucked everyone over even worse was my grandparents Jan 25 15:06
mikeyci have money saved to theoretically laswt me a year or so, but it could easily be rendered worthless, when the tipping point is reached it'll happen very quickly indeedJan 25 15:06
DaemonFCor great grandparentsJan 25 15:06
DaemonFCyou know the people that got there and never paid anything inJan 25 15:06
DaemonFCbut lived another 30 years on the systemJan 25 15:06
DaemonFCor the people that spent 20 years not paying anything inJan 25 15:07
DaemonFC25 years payingJan 25 15:07
mikeycthe future is bleakJan 25 15:07
DaemonFCthen retireJan 25 15:07
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DaemonFCSocial Security makes the promissory notes (US dollars) the fed makes up out of thin air look stableJan 25 15:07
mikeyci do wonder how the uk service economy sustains itself with its lack of productionJan 25 15:08
DaemonFCit doesn'tJan 25 15:08
mikeycit is getting deeper and deeper into the myreJan 25 15:08
DaemonFCthey're in as deep as we are if you look at the size of their debt and the size of their economyJan 25 15:08
DaemonFCEurope doesn't seem to actually make a whole lot anymore eitherJan 25 15:09
DaemonFCtheir bank is about like our fed, print money, assign value, no peeking Jan 25 15:09
DaemonFCChina is doing that in reverse, instead of making it look like it's worth more, they artificially depress the valueJan 25 15:10
DaemonFCmakes exports boomJan 25 15:10
DaemonFCeventually they can revalue it all at onceJan 25 15:10
mikeycthe chinese may now have the upper handJan 25 15:10
DaemonFCthe Chinese also don't charge any taxes on businesses that exportJan 25 15:11
DaemonFCbut if a US factory does that, the WTO fucks them overJan 25 15:11
DaemonFCthe Chinese can subsidize anything they want, as much as they want, and not get in troubleJan 25 15:11
DaemonFCbut if the US subsidizes corn and rich, we're fuckedJan 25 15:11
mikeycbut the fundamentals in the us are there, rich in resources, labour supply, it is just badly run, to many parasitic entities have infiltrated the systemJan 25 15:11
DaemonFCWe can't compete, not when there's one standard for the Chinese, and another standard for usJan 25 15:12
mikeycwell then china winsJan 25 15:12
DaemonFCwe should withdraw from the WTO immediately and declare all treaties that authorize it voidJan 25 15:12
DaemonFCnow, before it's too lateJan 25 15:12
DaemonFCit's like international trade it a board that's tilted 45 degrees to form a rampJan 25 15:13
DaemonFCtake from the US, give nothing backJan 25 15:13
DaemonFCwe should renegotiate this or declare it voidJan 25 15:14
mikeyci hope you're reading this RoyJan 25 15:14
mikeycyour help is neededJan 25 15:14
DaemonFCthe rules are too bent to be called fair tradeJan 25 15:15
schestowitz[15:01] <DaemonFC> the economy is largely based on imaginary property and speculative currencyJan 25 15:15
schestowitz+1Jan 25 15:15
Ender2070cubezzz - you there?Jan 25 15:15
DaemonFCbut Venezuela can go complain that we dump corn and riceJan 25 15:15
cubezzzyesJan 25 15:15
Ender2070cubezzz - you might be interested in this: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/bra/sys/1568825037.htmlJan 25 15:15
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Ender2070you said you had a p3Jan 25 15:15
cubezzzI doJan 25 15:15
Ender2070xeon p4 $75Jan 25 15:15
schestowitz[15:14] <mikeyc> i hope you're reading this RoyJan 25 15:15
schestowitzIt's not newJan 25 15:16
Ender20703ghzJan 25 15:16
schestowitzAnd some people are already working on itJan 25 15:16
schestowitzKucinich, Paul, others at higher levelsJan 25 15:16
schestowitzI'd rather focus on what I know betterJan 25 15:16
schestowitzYou don't recruit a doctor to work as a carpenter or vice versaJan 25 15:16
DaemonFCin communism you mightJan 25 15:17
DaemonFCB-)Jan 25 15:17
Ender2070or socialismJan 25 15:17
cubezzzinterestingJan 25 15:17
Ender2070cubezzz - seems to good for $75Jan 25 15:17
Ender2070too*Jan 25 15:17
cubezzzyeah :)Jan 25 15:17
mikeycyou cut of the head of teh beast Roy and the rest (Microsoft) will fallJan 25 15:19
schestowitz[14:35] <mikeyc> do you think anybody will ever formally challenge the legitimacy of the fed? I mean if it's so obviously wrong how come nobody has succesfully challenged its positionJan 25 15:20
schestowitzmikeyc: don't PM, use the channelJan 25 15:21
schestowitzmikeyc: it's beast is too bigJan 25 15:21
Ender2070cubezzz - when I saw it though you popped into my head, lolJan 25 15:21
rnbgood morningJan 25 15:21
schestowitzMillions of people, including some powerful ones who work for Lockheed et alJan 25 15:21
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DaemonFCNancy Pelosi's website is downJan 25 15:24
DaemonFChttp://www.speaker.gov/Jan 25 15:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The litigation-ridden path followed by US in granting software and business method patents is something India must avoid: http://i5.be/anAJan 25 15:34
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Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZWKXNo_vA0Jan 25 15:38
Ender2070Richard Stallman w/ Alex JonesJan 25 15:38
rnbhaha, wow.. Jan 25 15:41
Ender2070mercury is good for you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc&feature=relatedJan 25 15:41
rnbdidnt think richard stallman would get hooked with alex jonesJan 25 15:41
rnb"bigwig in browsers, architecture, the internet"Jan 25 15:42
rnb:)Jan 25 15:42
Ender2070:)Jan 25 15:42
Ender2070they talk about censorship and internetJan 25 15:42
Ender2070and free software :)Jan 25 15:42
rnbit's good, although alex jones challenges the "any publicity is good publicity" maximJan 25 15:43
Ender2070hehJan 25 15:43
rnb"i have to correct some things, i've never worked on web browsers myself"Jan 25 15:44
Ender2070I listen to alex jones when my favorite researchers are on his showJan 25 15:44
rnbclassic rms :)Jan 25 15:44
Ender2070other than that i dont follow him (jones)Jan 25 15:44
Ender2070I've heard of people finding out hes cia and has a masonic family, but im not sure so i'll remain skepticalJan 25 15:45
Ender2070alan watt is probably the best one, everything he says has sourcesJan 25 15:46
Diablo-D3who?Jan 25 15:47
Ender2070alan wattJan 25 15:48
Diablo-D3no, jonesJan 25 15:48
Ender2070one of his books even has photocopies from masonic handbooksJan 25 15:48
Ender2070Alex Jones?Jan 25 15:48
rnbmasonic conspiracies? ...Jan 25 15:49
Ender2070I would say they are a small partJan 25 15:50
Ender2070he just used them for an example of somethingJan 25 15:50
rnbhaha, see alex jones is ranting about "internet2" who has "all their own documents" and so onJan 25 15:51
rnband rms is like "ummm, i dont know about that"Jan 25 15:52
Ender2070lolJan 25 15:52
rnbalex jones: "internet2, which even the new york times says will have 'less freedom' but be 'more safe', this is what's coming"Jan 25 15:52
rnbrms: "umm"Jan 25 15:52
Ender2070lol internet2Jan 25 15:52
rnbhehehehJan 25 15:52
Ender2070lots of news agencies covered itJan 25 15:52
Ender2070it is a seperate networkJan 25 15:53
rnbbut this is alex jones, now imagine any specialized topic and this what happensJan 25 15:53
Ender2070but i think they'll just merge it into the internet, if they haven't alreadyJan 25 15:53
Ender2070internet2 is just fancy fiber optics between universities and collegesJan 25 15:53
rnbyes, i dont even think he was talking about thatJan 25 15:54
Ender2070lolJan 25 15:54
Ender2070thats why i dont follow jonesJan 25 15:54
rnbi think he was talking about ip6 addressingJan 25 15:54
rnbbut this is the point, alex jones doesnt really know what he's talking aboutJan 25 15:55
rnbbut asserts that he does, vociferouslyJan 25 15:55
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Ender2070alan watt is way more focused, he has his main theories and on his show he consistantly finds news articles from major media sources to back up his earlier claimsJan 25 15:55
Ender2070I was hearing about the economic crash back in 2007Jan 25 15:55
rnbyeah, but everyone was talking about that ... generally forecasting a harsh end to the bubble is easyJan 25 15:56
rnbit's the "when exactly will it happen" part that is much harder (and can make you rich)Jan 25 15:56
Ender2070the thing about that is that people wrote about it over 50 years agoJan 25 15:56
Ender2070among other thingsJan 25 15:57
rnbhm? wrote about what?Jan 25 15:57
Ender2070its a little hard to cover it all, but they wrote quite a bitJan 25 15:58
Ender2070population control and a big brother type of system are just some of the topicsJan 25 15:58
Ender2070the same people who helped get the UN runningJan 25 15:59
Ender2070Lord Bertrand Russell (The Impact of Science on Society - 1952)Jan 25 15:59
DaemonFChttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/Judge-Reduces-Minn-Womans-2-Million-RIAA-Copyright-Fine-127569/Jan 25 15:59
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Ender2070Bertrant Russell said they would "use the needle" to reduce populations and gain control over everyoneJan 25 15:59
DaemonFCIncredibly huge fine nobody could be expected to pay becomes incredibly huge fine that nobody could be expected to payJan 25 16:00
DaemonFCyayJan 25 16:00
Ender2070he also said that if government could get kids into school by age 2 that it would be easier to indoctrinate peopleJan 25 16:00
Ender2070HG Wells (A Modern Utopia -1905 , The New World Order -1940)Jan 25 16:00
Ender2070Aldous Huxley (Brave New World - 1932)Jan 25 16:01
DaemonFCEnder2070: This is opposed to "Get them in concentration camps so they can learn why being gay is bad through tactics that would have Guantanamo Bay CIA agents tossing their cookies"?Jan 25 16:01
DaemonFC:)Jan 25 16:01
DaemonFCJesus says it, it must be true :pJan 25 16:01
Ender2070i dont believe in the concentration campsJan 25 16:01
Ender2070they'll run into less resistence if they silently slow down population growth and dumb everyone downJan 25 16:01
DaemonFCthe church isn't trying to save anyone, especially meJan 25 16:01
DaemonFCthey've declared war on meJan 25 16:02
DaemonFCfuck themJan 25 16:02
Ender2070check out the Fabian Society, who HG Wells was part ofJan 25 16:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Lying to the Public with #NPD (Again) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/microsoft-npd-lies-and-fud/Jan 25 16:02
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DaemonFCthe church indoctrination is more frightening than any kind of indoctrination that the state could tryJan 25 16:02
Ender2070they believe in slowly bringing in world socialism, that way it is harder to preventJan 25 16:03
DaemonFC(with the exception of state sanctioned religious indoctrination as grounds for state authority)Jan 25 16:03
DaemonFCthat's what the 700 Club people want to turn the USA intoJan 25 16:03
DaemonFCwhere they get their way, all day, every dayJan 25 16:03
DaemonFC100% of the timeJan 25 16:03
DaemonFCjust getting their way 80% of the time is not enoughJan 25 16:03
Ender2070theres also another scientific term called "predictive programming"Jan 25 16:03
Ender2070predictive programming involves using certain ideas in stories and movies which bypasses peoples more critical filters, sort of like a trojan horseJan 25 16:04
rnb"world socialism" -- who wants that, now?Jan 25 16:04
Ender2070when the idea comes into reality, people dont fight itJan 25 16:04
*rnb wants world socialismJan 25 16:05
Ender2070world socialism would be a good idea if humanity wasn't corruptJan 25 16:05
DaemonFCEnder2070: Trojan horse meaning like that "Megiddo" movieJan 25 16:05
DaemonFCor however you spell thatJan 25 16:05
DaemonFCand the first one, can't remember the nameJan 25 16:05
Ender2070DaemonFC - trojan horse like "Total Recall"Jan 25 16:06
rnbeh, that's the oldest and most superficial thing people say about socialismJan 25 16:06
DaemonFCEnder2070: How is that a trap?Jan 25 16:06
DaemonFCyou mean the movie itself right?Jan 25 16:06
rnbfree software is a demonstration of socialist organizing at workJan 25 16:06
Ender2070rnb - world socialism only benefits aristocracy at this point, as well as the world bank who will be dishing out carbon creditsJan 25 16:06
rnband there are thousands of real-world examples of socialist organizing at work, and it always produces a better outcome than the capitalist alternativeJan 25 16:07
rnband that's why every time it starts to happen, in come the capitalist armies to put it downJan 25 16:07
Ender2070DaemonFC - not a trap, but look at how many things in total recall are becoming realityJan 25 16:07
rnband install a capitalist dictatorship (or whatever it takes)Jan 25 16:07
rnbthe world bank does everything it can to oppose socialist partiesJan 25 16:08
Ender2070rnb - doesn't make you suspicious that those with the most money push socialism?Jan 25 16:08
Ender2070socialism is communism + ideas from capitalismJan 25 16:08
rnbthats not trueJan 25 16:08
Ender2070read karl marxJan 25 16:08
rnbyes, thanks, i haveJan 25 16:08
rnbbut in modern day -- what are examples of "the most rich" supporting socialist programs?Jan 25 16:08
Ender2070aristocracyJan 25 16:09
rnbthe most rich -- the IMF, World Bank, etc -- all support structural adjustment programs that do away with anything remotely resembling a socialist programJan 25 16:09
DaemonFCrnb: The few socialist welfare systems around in the US tend to benefit the rich more than the poor anywayJan 25 16:09
Ender2070they've hid themselves behind foundationsJan 25 16:09
DaemonFCMedicaid, Medicare, food stampsJan 25 16:09
rnbDaemonFC: shh, shh.Jan 25 16:09
DaemonFCmoney going to rich doctors and rich grocery store ownersJan 25 16:09
DaemonFCand rich people making the junk foodJan 25 16:09
rnbEnder2070: ok.. whats one example?Jan 25 16:10
Ender2070the fabian societyJan 25 16:10
DaemonFCthen you have rent assistanceJan 25 16:10
DaemonFCwhich helps the fat landlord who never worksJan 25 16:10
Ender2070the council of foreign relationsJan 25 16:10
rnbEnder2070: "the fabian society" ... and what socialist parties/governments do they support?Jan 25 16:10
Ender2070the royal institute of international affairsJan 25 16:10
Ender2070the fabian society is a socialist foundationJan 25 16:10
DaemonFCutility assistance which helps pay the electric and gas companiesJan 25 16:10
Ender2070they lobby governmentsJan 25 16:11
DaemonFChelping the poor is just a side effectJan 25 16:11
rnbheheh.. these are the "most rich"?Jan 25 16:11
DaemonFCall that welfare money ends up going to the top of corporate AmericaJan 25 16:11
rnbEnder2070: why arent there any arab sheiks in their ranks?Jan 25 16:11
Ender2070Lord Bertrand Russell isn't rich?Jan 25 16:11
rnbEnder2070: or bill gates? etc etc etcJan 25 16:11
DaemonFCthat's why the government isn't worried about anyone cheating the systemJan 25 16:11
rnbEnder2070: you said "the most rich" in societyJan 25 16:11
rnbEnder2070: certainly there are SOME wealthy people who support forms of socialismJan 25 16:11
Ender2070RockefellerJan 25 16:12
Ender2070well, there aren't many who are "the most rich"Jan 25 16:12
rnbthere areJan 25 16:12
rnbfortune magazine documents who they are, in factJan 25 16:12
Ender2070thats the sideshowJan 25 16:12
rnband you can see quite clearly that they are all staunch free market capitalistsJan 25 16:12
rnbwell, not LITERAL free market capitalistsJan 25 16:13
rnbthe kind that is being brought to iraq right nowJan 25 16:13
Ender2070they hardly have the funds to start up and support several foundations over the course of a couple hundred yearsJan 25 16:13
Ender2070thats what they doJan 25 16:13
Ender2070they have foundations which lobby the government for years until they get what they wantJan 25 16:13
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Ender2070the fabian society is over 100 years oldJan 25 16:13
rnbso are the boy scoutsJan 25 16:14
Ender2070it hardly matters now anyways, the UN basicly runs the show nowJan 25 16:14
rnbyes, the UN is very effective with their resolutionsJan 25 16:15
rnbthe ones that are totally ignored by the richest countriesJan 25 16:15
Ender2070the UN has countries pass treaties which bypass the people, because the countries have to pass laws to cooperateJan 25 16:15
rnbbut the US proves that the UN has no enforcement powerJan 25 16:16
rnbthe US ignores whatever it wants, regardless of whether they've agreed to it or notJan 25 16:16
Ender2070eventually they'll get them passedJan 25 16:16
rnband it isnt just the US -- it's whoever can get away with it, and they usually doJan 25 16:16
Ender2070it just takes timeJan 25 16:16
rnboh, so this is a prediction?Jan 25 16:16
Ender2070yesJan 25 16:17
rnbnot actually something that happens now or in the pastJan 25 16:17
Ender2070some of the things have occuredJan 25 16:17
Ender2070people in aristocracy wrote about itJan 25 16:17
rnbgot it. i thought you meant "now" when you said "the UN basicly [sic] runs the show now"Jan 25 16:17
Ender2070oh, it doesJan 25 16:17
rnboh ohJan 25 16:17
rnbi would refer you back to my previous argument thenJan 25 16:18
Ender2070read plato's "the republic"Jan 25 16:18
rnbabout how the UN cant enforce anythingJan 25 16:18
rnbi have read plato's republic, but it doesnt give much insight on the UNJan 25 16:18
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Ender2070it gives insight into many things that have occured or are still plannedJan 25 16:19
Ender2070lord bertrand russell's books will give insite into thisJan 25 16:19
Ender2070insight*Jan 25 16:19
Ender2070im very bad at explaining things too, im not as well versed as some other peopleJan 25 16:21
Ender2070may I recommend Alan Watt?Jan 25 16:21
Ender2070www.cuttingthroughthematric.comJan 25 16:21
Ender2070www.cuttingthroughthematrix.comJan 25 16:21
Ender2070oops, spelled the first one wrongJan 25 16:21
rnbit's one thing that the crackpots like alex jones, etc, get wrongJan 25 16:21
rnbthey have no idea what socialism isJan 25 16:22
Ender2070I probably sound like Alex Jones right nowJan 25 16:22
Ender2070I can only think of bits and piecesJan 25 16:22
rnband know next to nothing about socialist historyJan 25 16:22
Ender2070oh, the Club of RomeJan 25 16:22
rnbnothing is more threatening to the wealthy of the world than people who want to take their wealth/power awayJan 25 16:23
rnbat gunpoint...Jan 25 16:23
Ender2070socialism doesnt do thatJan 25 16:23
rnbyes. it does.Jan 25 16:23
Ender2070socialism puts a lot of services into government handsJan 25 16:23
Ender2070the closest thing I can say I am is probably an "anarchist"Jan 25 16:23
Ender2070but i dont believe in labelsJan 25 16:24
cubezzzanarchist?Jan 25 16:24
cubezzzno rules?Jan 25 16:24
rnbdo you know why there is an angry population of rich cubans in miami who have been funding terrorism against cuba for the last 50 years?Jan 25 16:24
rnbit's because when castro came to power, he toppled all the major corporations, all the ruling elite familiesJan 25 16:25
cubezzzmakes senseJan 25 16:25
cubezzzpeople usually don't like losing powerJan 25 16:25
Ender2070I think there still could be rules in anarchyJan 25 16:25
cubezzzAlex Jones had Stallman on one time tbwJan 25 16:25
rnband i think you'll find that basic pattern to be there in most histories of socialist revolutionsJan 25 16:25
cubezzzbtwJan 25 16:25
Ender2070im mainly after no-governmentJan 25 16:26
Ender2070I don't want to pay taxes on land i own, simply for being thereJan 25 16:26
rnbthe "anarchist" tradition comes from the left, "anarchism" is a form of socialismJan 25 16:26
cubezzzok, but you get services for your taxesJan 25 16:26
rnbthe anarchists & the socialists are constantly debating, and have been since marx's daysJan 25 16:26
Ender2070maybe i dont want any servicesJan 25 16:26
cubezzzsewer system, garbage pickup...Jan 25 16:26
cubezzzsure you do :)Jan 25 16:27
Ender2070those things are relevant in a cityJan 25 16:27
cubezzzyou want internet service right? :)Jan 25 16:27
rnbanarchism says "property is theft" and you won't be owning any land in any anarchist societyJan 25 16:27
Ender2070i dont follow anarchism, i said its closest to what I believe inJan 25 16:27
cubezzzwhat you really mean is you want to choose your servicesJan 25 16:27
rnbi dont think he knows what he meansJan 25 16:28
Ender2070I want to be self-sustainingJan 25 16:28
cubezzznot even Amish can do it totally without some tradeJan 25 16:28
rnbEnder2070: go do it, thenJan 25 16:28
rnbEnder2070: who is stopping you?Jan 25 16:28
Ender2070they require trade because they still have to pay taxesJan 25 16:28
Ender2070they also have to support a communityJan 25 16:28
cubezzzdo you're own denistry? doctoring? :)Jan 25 16:29
rnbhahaJan 25 16:29
cubezzzyourJan 25 16:29
rnbcubezzz++Jan 25 16:29
rnbi love pulling my own teethJan 25 16:29
cubezzzoh yeah it's really fun Jan 25 16:29
rnbi can also remove my own appendixJan 25 16:29
Ender2070if im growing my own food and eating properly, why do i need to see a doctor to get me better from all the bullshit im forced to eatJan 25 16:29
Ender2070why see a dentist when all my food isnt loaded with sugarJan 25 16:29
cubezzzdude you are totally self-sustaining :)Jan 25 16:29
rnbi've taken it out and put it back in a couple times... JUST TO SHOW THE NEW WORLD ORDER THEY DONT CONTROL MEJan 25 16:30
rnboh lordJan 25 16:30
cubezzzok, seriously though Alex Jones didn't seem too bad to meJan 25 16:30
cubezzzat least he talked to StallmanJan 25 16:30
rnbcubezzz: well, Ender2070 is basically repeating what alex jones and others in that genre tell himJan 25 16:30
rnbcubezzz: and thats why i dont like alex jonesJan 25 16:31
Ender2070i just dont like the way the world is runJan 25 16:31
cubezzzEnder2070, I don't eitherJan 25 16:31
Ender2070i dont think socialism will make it betterJan 25 16:31
Ender2070putting in more government control is a bad ideaJan 25 16:31
Ender2070im just thinking off the top of my head though in self-sustaining ideasJan 25 16:31
rnbcubezzz: he also rants about the socialist world government, and then will turn around and support hugo chavez (one of the strongest socialist leaders in the world, atm)Jan 25 16:31
Ender2070i dont support chavezJan 25 16:31
cubezzzhmmmJan 25 16:32
rnbEnder2070: i doubt you know enough about it to support or not support chavez, no offenseJan 25 16:32
cubezzzwhich country are you in rnb? States?Jan 25 16:32
rnbcubezzz: yeahJan 25 16:32
rnbcubezzz: unfortunately, at the moment. dont hold it against me :)Jan 25 16:32
cubezzzI don'tJan 25 16:32
cubezzzI think the States was really good in the 50's and 60'sJan 25 16:33
rnbcubezzz: ickJan 25 16:33
Ender2070yeah reallyJan 25 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@phuff not sure the timing matters. Just proves #sourceforge + #google code or any US site, is a very poor choice for hosting open projectsJan 25 16:33
Ender2070thats when the CIA was doing MK UltraJan 25 16:33
rnbcubezzz: try being black in the US in 1950Jan 25 16:33
cubezzzok, you have a point thereJan 25 16:34
rnbcubezzz: or even intellectually curious, for that matterJan 25 16:34
cubezzzwhat I mean is the economy was pretty goodJan 25 16:34
cubezzzI'm sure it wasn't perfectJan 25 16:34
rnbcubezzz: yes, there was a large middle classJan 25 16:34
rnbcubezzz: there was somewhat of an "american dream"Jan 25 16:34
rnbcubezzz: i.e. you could work in a factory and have a decent life, retire, etcJan 25 16:34
cubezzzyes, own your own homeJan 25 16:34
cubezzzindeedJan 25 16:34
rnbcubezzz: but that was at the expense of millions of other people who were subsidizing itJan 25 16:35
rnbcubezzz: through forced labor, that doesnt come freeJan 25 16:35
cubezzzRCA was a powerhouse in the 60'sJan 25 16:35
DaemonFClots of open source projects are hosted on US sitesJan 25 16:35
rnbwell, anyway, i need to get to work nowJan 25 16:36
cubezzzrnb, so are you saying things are better or worse now compared to the USA of the 60's?Jan 25 16:36
cubezzzok later :)Jan 25 16:36
rnbcubezzz: the US has a much smaller middle class than the 50s/60sJan 25 16:36
rnbcubezzz: you cant just get a job and work hard and have a decent life anymoreJan 25 16:36
cubezzzso it's worse then?Jan 25 16:37
rnbcubezzz: all the labor unions from the 50s/60s have been destroyedJan 25 16:37
Ender2070the unions left over give unions a bad name tooJan 25 16:37
Ender2070like teachers unionsJan 25 16:37
rnbcubezzz: i dont know about better/worseJan 25 16:37
DaemonFCrnb: Machines can do most of those jobsJan 25 16:37
DaemonFCthe Mexicans can do the restJan 25 16:38
Ender2070lolJan 25 16:38
DaemonFCis it surprising that nobody wants to pay $20-$30 an hour for that?Jan 25 16:38
rnbcubezzz: i personally cant stand living in the US anymoreJan 25 16:38
cubezzzrnb, I hear youJan 25 16:38
rnbcubezzz: there's no community hereJan 25 16:38
DaemonFCrnb: Go to ChinaJan 25 16:38
DaemonFCplenty of work thereJan 25 16:38
DaemonFCof course you can live better in the US working part time at a convenience storeJan 25 16:38
Ender2070the city of brampton had bailed out a local car manufacturing plant, and the plant was going to close up anyways. the city of brampton asked for its money back, so that car company simply fired the staff and replaced them with robots.Jan 25 16:38
rnbthere's no health care here, the schools are shit (if you're thinking of having kids)Jan 25 16:39
cubezzzDetroit seemed very uhhh not goodJan 25 16:39
DaemonFCrnb: If the standard of living wasn't better in the US, nobody would walk hundreds of miles through the Sonora desert to get hereJan 25 16:39
cubezzzDaemonFC, It's all relativeJan 25 16:40
Ender2070daemonfc - its all subjectiveJan 25 16:40
DaemonFCthey're stay in Mexico and keep pulling 11 hour days for $7 per shiftJan 25 16:40
DaemonFC*they'dJan 25 16:40
cubezzzif you're in Haiti the USA probably looks greatJan 25 16:40
rnband while the number of decent people in ohio/michigan/etc still way outnumber the assholes,Jan 25 16:40
Ender2070if you're in Canada the US looks like a facist nightmareJan 25 16:40
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DaemonFCso I don't know where rnb was planning to get a $20 an hour job working at a convenience store filling a shushie vatJan 25 16:40
DaemonFCdo you?Jan 25 16:40
DaemonFCthat was my pointJan 25 16:40
DaemonFCthat's what you get if you just leave high school and go find workJan 25 16:41
cubezzzI thought Obama could pull the US back to the centreJan 25 16:41
cubezzzwe'll probably go Liberal goverment nextJan 25 16:41
Ender2070DaemonFC - but in Washington, you can be a nanny for $20/hr, and get benefits (babysitter)Jan 25 16:41
rnbAM radio funded by mega-corporations have convinced a bunch of people like DaemonFC to be jackassesJan 25 16:41
DaemonFCschestowitz: Do they pay the equivalent  of US $20 an hour to work at convenience stores in the UK?Jan 25 16:41
DaemonFCfresh out of high school?Jan 25 16:41
rnbthe news media here is terribleJan 25 16:41
DaemonFCwhat about Canada, no?Jan 25 16:41
rnbanyway, i'm moving to brazilJan 25 16:42
Ender2070Canada > USJan 25 16:42
rnbbut i really do have to work nowJan 25 16:42
rnbbyeJan 25 16:42
DaemonFCrnb is acting like there are countries that will pay you anything beyond minimum wage for a low skill manual labor job that anyone could doJan 25 16:42
DaemonFCand it's not like thatJan 25 16:42
DaemonFCif anyone can do it and there's no skill, te wages go down, not upJan 25 16:42
DaemonFC*theJan 25 16:43
Ender2070DaemonFC - you can do no skill, high risk jobs for high payJan 25 16:43
DaemonFCI don't know how this is a hard conceptJan 25 16:43
DaemonFCyeah, but why pay you that much and pay OSHA, and follow the FLSA, and shitJan 25 16:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] RD: @mjjzf: The perception of intellectual property leads to intellectual poverty.Jan 25 16:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Epic and #Microsoft as Samson and Delilah; epic failures for #Yahoo after #Microsoft deal http://ur1.ca/kn82Jan 25 16:43
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DaemonFCwhen they can buy a machineJan 25 16:43
Ender2070DaemonFC - when was the last time US raised its minimum wage?Jan 25 16:43
DaemonFC2009Jan 25 16:43
Ender2070what is it at?Jan 25 16:44
rnbDaemonFC: how much does your mom give you for taking up space in her basement?Jan 25 16:44
rnbDaemonFC: minimum wage, at least?Jan 25 16:44
DaemonFCrnb: I don't live anywhere near familyJan 25 16:44
DaemonFCI do not sponge off my familyJan 25 16:44
rnbuh huhJan 25 16:44
rnbyou're a man of the world!Jan 25 16:45
rnbyou've been to indiana ... and dayton!Jan 25 16:45
DaemonFCfuck the worldJan 25 16:45
DaemonFCand fuck your defective impressions of itJan 25 16:45
rnbexactlyJan 25 16:45
Ender2070he thinks everyone wants to murder himJan 25 16:45
rnb"i dont know anything and i dont want to know! what i heard on rush limbaugh is right!"Jan 25 16:45
DaemonFCyou think that there's a place that pays morons with no skills more, go thereJan 25 16:45
rnbit's that attitude that's fucking pu the quality of life in the USJan 25 16:46
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DaemonFCrnb: Nobody will stop youJan 25 16:46
DaemonFCyou think you're a desirable citizen to have, go find anywhere else that will take youJan 25 16:46
rnbi have no idea what you're even talking aboutJan 25 16:46
DaemonFCyou think you have skills, good, more power to youJan 25 16:46
Ender2070i've heard norway has it pretty goodJan 25 16:46
DaemonFCmove therJan 25 16:46
rnbit's something you made up in your own head (called a strawman)Jan 25 16:46
DaemonFCyou can askJan 25 16:46
cubezzzI'm happy with CanadaJan 25 16:47
DaemonFCno, I promise I won't try to talk you out of itJan 25 16:47
rnbi haved lived in other places, and i will againJan 25 16:47
DaemonFCgood, stay thereJan 25 16:47
rnbhar har!Jan 25 16:47
DaemonFCtake up their oxygenJan 25 16:47
rnbhahaJan 25 16:47
Ender2070DaemonFC - Canada will be in a far better position if there was a flood, for instance, or other issuesJan 25 16:47
Ender2070lolJan 25 16:47
DaemonFChehe, I've lives other places and came back here, even though they were ALL betterJan 25 16:48
cubezzzthere's a flood around here actuallyJan 25 16:48
rnbDaemonFC is so upset, mom's gonna have to buy extra bags of fritos todayJan 25 16:48
cubezzzthe beaver damn broke :)Jan 25 16:48
DaemonFCI came back because they wouldn't let me stay or because it really wasn't betterJan 25 16:48
DaemonFCnow which is it?Jan 25 16:48
Ender2070awwwJan 25 16:48
Ender2070the beavers :(Jan 25 16:48
DaemonFCrnb: Would they not let you stay or was it not better than the USAJan 25 16:48
DaemonFCwhich one is it?Jan 25 16:48
cubezzzwe have muskrats and foxes too, even some red squirrelsJan 25 16:48
DaemonFCor a little of both maybe?Jan 25 16:49
Ender2070we have maple syrupJan 25 16:49
Ender2070and the best hockey in the worldJan 25 16:49
rnbDaemonFC: i come and goJan 25 16:49
cubezzzand a parlaiment that doesn't work very hard :)Jan 25 16:49
Ender2070DaemonFC - when you zip down limbaugh's fly to service him, remember that zipper was invented in CanadaJan 25 16:49
DaemonFCEnder2070: I've never heard someone bitch about something as much as rnb when he freely admits to having had options and choosing where he's at. It's because they wouldn't let him stay or he didn't like it when he got there.Jan 25 16:50
cubezzzparliamentJan 25 16:50
DaemonFCplain and simple, stay there or quit bitchingJan 25 16:50
DaemonFCit's so perfect, it's so easy to stay there, so stayJan 25 16:50
Ender2070DaemonFC - you quit bitching then tooJan 25 16:50
rnbhahaJan 25 16:50
Ender2070DaemonFC - you complain about stuff too, ALL the timeJan 25 16:50
rnbexcept what do you tell DaemonFC? if you dont like your mom's basement, THEN GET OUTJan 25 16:51
DaemonFCrnb: Where did you go that wouldn't let you stay or wasn't fit to stay?Jan 25 16:51
DaemonFCGive me a listJan 25 16:51
rnbLOVE IT OR LEAVE ITJan 25 16:51
rnbBUT LET MOM KNOW SO SHE CAN MAKE THE SHOPPING LISTJan 25 16:51
rnbhahahaJan 25 16:51
DaemonFCrnb: That is a weak argument, and not based on factJan 25 16:51
DaemonFCyou're evading the reasonable question I asked youJan 25 16:52
rnbbye!Jan 25 16:52
DaemonFCwith mindless nonsenseJan 25 16:52
DaemonFCrnb: So what about all those neighborhood children locked in your basement?Jan 25 16:52
DaemonFCI want to know when you plan on letting them goJan 25 16:52
DaemonFCgee, how do I know all this, I think your psychic powers bullshit is rubbing offJan 25 16:53
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MinceRhttp://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/25/apple.fans/index.html?hpt=T2Jan 25 16:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 'Cult' of Apple hangs on Wednesday announcement  - CNN.com .::. Size~: 56.52 KBJan 25 16:59
DaemonFCMinceR: Didn't Microsoft try this 4-5 years ago?Jan 25 17:02
DaemonFCsales tanked before you could even find them anywhereJan 25 17:02
DaemonFChad XP on all of themJan 25 17:02
DaemonFCI'm just not sure there's a market for thisJan 25 17:03
DaemonFCnot sure why so many companies keep trying to pretend it's new and throw more money at itJan 25 17:03
Ender2070as long as its shiney and makes a whirring noiseJan 25 17:09
MinceRtablet pcs? they've been "invented" a couple times alreadyJan 25 17:10
Ender2070someone was even making custom ones out of apple notebooks a few years agoJan 25 17:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Opera has had the #newLisp manual open for weeks now. Gotta give it a whirl. #lisp #fp #programmingJan 25 17:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Explorer Still Not Secure, Still #Standards -hostile, and Still Giving the #NHS a Headache http://ur1.ca/knblJan 25 17:27
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Ender2070Good old Internet ExploiterJan 25 17:35
EruaranJust kill itJan 25 17:36
Eruaranput it out of its miseryJan 25 17:37
Ender2070they won't until Netscape is Dead (TM)Jan 25 17:41
Ender2070www.netscape.comJan 25 17:42
DaemonFCNetscape is deadJan 25 17:46
Ender2070http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/22/Jan 25 17:46
DaemonFCthey're just a portal for AOLJan 25 17:46
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DaemonFCI still say Netscape dying might be for the better in the historical contextJan 25 17:46
DaemonFCbut how Microsoft attacked them should be punished, because it is illegalJan 25 17:47
DaemonFCnothing like getting a sympathetic judge and jury is there?Jan 25 17:47
DaemonFCthat first hearing they got, the judge was highly critical of them and slapped them with some real penalties, then it got to the appeals court and the damages became meaninglessJan 25 17:48
DaemonFCEnder2070: I don't think IE is really a huge threat once you get past the fact that it's the first thing a new Windows user seesJan 25 17:49
schestowitz[16:41] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Do they pay the equivalent  of US $20 an hour to work at convenience stores in the UK?Jan 25 17:49
schestowitzNo, $10Jan 25 17:49
DaemonFCit's still dying piece by pieceJan 25 17:49
DaemonFCyou can't get to browsing and not hear about FirefoxJan 25 17:50
DaemonFCI've seen some very non-technical people with it just cause some freeware site recommends itJan 25 17:50
schestowitz[16:59] <phIRCe-BNc> Title: 'Cult' of Apple hangs on Wednesday announcement  - CNN.com .::. Size~: 56.52 KBJan 25 17:50
schestowitzCNN should also report like this on MicrosoftJan 25 17:51
schestowitzCall it "Microsoft Cult"Jan 25 17:51
Ender2070DaemonFC - or people who've had their PC's to a repair shop for spyware infestationsJan 25 17:51
DaemonFCBill Gates cracked me up a few years ago, schestowitzJan 25 17:51
DaemonFChe said "Without IE what would people download Firefox with?"Jan 25 17:51
DaemonFCI wondered if that was admitting it's all IE is good forJan 25 17:51
Ender2070DaemonFC - I used to install firefox on every pc that went into where I worked, when spyware was the issueJan 25 17:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: BillG is self servingJan 25 17:52
Ender2070lolJan 25 17:52
Ender2070bill gates could write a program that downloads the latest firefox thenJan 25 17:52
schestowitzMaybe that's his sense of humourJan 25 17:52
Ender2070wouldnt be hardJan 25 17:52
schestowitzI never read anything funny from himJan 25 17:52
schestowitzNeverJan 25 17:52
DaemonFCEnder2070: They did, it's called IE apparentlyJan 25 17:52
DaemonFCand only 1,000 times bigger than the job needs it to beJan 25 17:52
Ender2070no, they could write a non-browser to do it tooJan 25 17:52
DaemonFCit's a Microsoft programJan 25 17:52
schestowitzMaybe only some cocky gals and boyz (who act like a school girl around him) would laughJan 25 17:52
DaemonFCwhat did you expect? ;)Jan 25 17:52
Ender2070they could use something like wget even in a scriptJan 25 17:53
schestowitzThe BBC recently said that almost 5% of the public thought Bill Gates was a comedian (or a "famous thief" it said)Jan 25 17:53
DaemonFCa PowerShell script evenJan 25 17:53
DaemonFCB-)Jan 25 17:53
Ender2070a .bat file evenJan 25 17:53
Ender2070lolJan 25 17:53
Ender2070wget http://mozilla.com/latest-firefox-win32.exeJan 25 17:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 404: Page Not Found .::. Size~: 16.74 KBJan 25 17:53
schestowitzGetting Firfox is eayJan 25 17:53
schestowitz*easyJan 25 17:54
schestowitzJusta  tcp/ip interfaceJan 25 17:54
schestowitzNo need for GUIJan 25 17:54
schestowitzJust connect to serverJan 25 17:54
Ender2070yeahJan 25 17:54
DaemonFCEnder2070: I stopped using Mozilla nightlies, not cause I don't want to help mind youJan 25 17:54
DaemonFCthey just got too stableJan 25 17:54
Ender2070its a fake urlJan 25 17:54
DaemonFCused to be there were bugs all over the place to reportJan 25 17:54
Ender2070it would be the latest stableJan 25 17:54
Ender2070whatever they end up usingJan 25 17:54
DaemonFCI mean, there's still the odd bug in a nightly, but there's already 500 duplicates of it by the time I try to report itJan 25 17:55
DaemonFC:PJan 25 17:55
cubezzzyou don't take it far enough schestowitz :)Jan 25 17:55
cubezzzyou need to start using lynxJan 25 17:55
DaemonFCoh god noJan 25 17:55
DaemonFCthe Linux version of ArachneJan 25 17:55
DaemonFC:PJan 25 17:55
DaemonFCthat's where it's atJan 25 17:55
cubezzzlynx is actually good, I just compiled the newest oneJan 25 17:56
DaemonFCthe DOS version I used to use could even play my MP3s for meJan 25 17:56
cubezzzcan you port firefox to ARM, hmmm?Jan 25 17:56
DaemonFCimpressive that it could implement a graphical web browser, an MP3 player, and a TCP/IP stack on top of DOSJan 25 17:56
DaemonFCthings that have a lot of functionality in an incredibly small program fascinate meJan 25 17:57
DaemonFCfinding a small program that does almost nothing is not fun cause there's a lot of themJan 25 17:58
cubezzztwo words DaemonFC: Tiny CoreJan 25 17:58
DaemonFCfinding a huge program that does almost nothing probably means Microsoft did itJan 25 17:58
DaemonFCwell, everything bloats until it does a lot of confusing shit that I don't even needJan 25 17:59
DaemonFCJohn33's OggEnc2.exe is kind of like thatJan 25 17:59
cubezzzok seriously read my latest article:Jan 25 18:00
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/blog/linux-blog.htmlJan 25 18:00
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DaemonFCwhy would anyone using Windows and a frontend to an encoder at that, where the frontend understands the format you are transcoding from, need input support for 8 different file formats in the encoder itself?Jan 25 18:00
DaemonFC:)Jan 25 18:00
DaemonFCso this guy takes a 2 MB EXE and bloats it up to like 12 so you can use it in the command promptJan 25 18:00
DaemonFCyeehawJan 25 18:01
DaemonFCno thank youJan 25 18:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Brand Continues to Sink Down the Ranks http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/rapid-decline-of-msft-brand/Jan 25 18:01
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DaemonFCI get how it would be useful if you wanted to connect that to a simple stupid GUI frontend that doesn't understand anything, but that's not what I useJan 25 18:01
DaemonFCFoobar2000 is proprietary software, where the author has opted to accelerate the development of it by grabbing lots of codecs that have BSD-like licensesJan 25 18:02
DaemonFCand he seems to have modified them without contributing patches back (which he is under no obligation to do)Jan 25 18:03
DaemonFCand oddly enough, by distributing them in binary format, he's violating a metric assload of patentsJan 25 18:04
cubezzzschestowitz, you're a funny guyJan 25 18:04
DaemonFCobviously not with Ogg, Vorbis, or FLAC or Wavpack, Musicam, etc.Jan 25 18:04
cubezzzmono is the rump?Jan 25 18:04
DaemonFCisn't he legally in the wrong by distributing binaries of mpg123 and FAAD2?Jan 25 18:05
cubezzztry to imagine how much I don't care thoughJan 25 18:05
cubezzzit's like 10^888Jan 25 18:05
DaemonFCcubezzz: Mono is going to get more popular on Linux than it is on WindowsJan 25 18:05
DaemonFCI would say it's already there in some waysJan 25 18:06
DaemonFCnot goodJan 25 18:06
DaemonFC*than .NET is on WIndowsJan 25 18:06
cubezzzno mono on fc1 :)Jan 25 18:06
DaemonFCI hope I'm wrong and it just dies off, the security implications of Moonlight are staggering even without the patent issuesJan 25 18:07
cubezzzyou knew that was comingJan 25 18:07
DaemonFCthat's why Ubuntu is now rushing to sandbox Firefox with AppArmorJan 25 18:07
DaemonFCMoonlight is going to make it far too dangerous to no longer constrainJan 25 18:08
DaemonFCbrbJan 25 18:08
Ender2070AppArmor sucksJan 25 18:10
cubezzzI am thinking about making my own distroJan 25 18:10
Ender2070oh yeah?Jan 25 18:12
Ender2070I thought about it too, but maintanence would be trickyJan 25 18:12
Ender2070I would rather just help out with Fedora/KDE myself, thats what I would use as a base anyways.Jan 25 18:14
cubezzz"Retro Linux"Jan 25 18:15
cubezzzfor older computer systemsJan 25 18:15
Ender2070Fedora/LXDEJan 25 18:16
DaemonFCI don't have to have the fastest PC on the block, but if even Ubuntu is limping along, it's time to get a newer oneJan 25 18:16
cubezzzis there a text only Linux?Jan 25 18:17
cubezzzbesides LFSJan 25 18:17
Ender2070ArchJan 25 18:18
Ender2070GentooJan 25 18:18
Ender2070Arch is fast tooJan 25 18:18
DaemonFCArch is pretty much anything you wantJan 25 18:22
DaemonFCmy Ritalin-snorting pot-smoking ex told me he uses Gentoo while he plots the follow up to 9/11 with Osama Bin LadenJan 25 18:27
DaemonFCI made up the 9/11/Osama partJan 25 18:27
Ender2070lol ritalin snorting?Jan 25 18:27
DaemonFCyup18:27
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DaemonFCEnder2070: I used to be on Ritalin by prescription18:29
DaemonFCthe school set it as a requirement of not throwing me out18:29
DaemonFCso I spit it out when I left the office18:30
DaemonFCthey killed a kid with generic Ritalin then found out they had confused the drug names and gave him METHADONE instead of Methylphenadate 18:30
DaemonFCnot in my school, in some other state18:31
DaemonFCthe psychiatrist always prefers the quick patch to the problem than actually sorting the problem out18:31
DaemonFCso you get 10 times as many medicated kids as there should be18:31
DaemonFCthen things like this happen18:32
DaemonFCor you get kids that are "on Ritalin" who are actually selling their pills18:32
DaemonFCthe pharmaceutical/psychiatric industry is causing an illegal drug problem that dwarves crack cocaine18:33
DaemonFCThe psychiatrists are so far up Big Pharma's ass that they'll prescribe new, dangerous "medications" that cause psychosis, death, seizures, anything, and ignore the patient when the red flags start popping up18:35
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DaemonFCtell you to keep taking your pills and shut up18:35
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DaemonFCMost psychiatrists in the United States should be behind bars for what they've conspired to do to patients18:35
DaemonFCnot practicing medicine18:36
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-ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channelJan 25 18:35
DaemonFCMost psychiatrists in the United States should be behind bars for what they've conspired to do to patientsJan 25 18:35
DaemonFCnot practicing medicineJan 25 18:35
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Ender2070the teachers recommend it tooJan 25 18:36
DaemonFCEnder2070: Not all psychiatric medication is bad, not all psychiatrists are evilJan 25 18:37
DaemonFCbut the good medications, the proper uses, and the non-corrupt psychiatrists are the minorityJan 25 18:38
DaemonFCthat's my opinion on themJan 25 18:38
DaemonFCthe psychiatric profession needs an audit, a serious audit, but by whom?Jan 25 18:39
DaemonFCthey're basically not supervised by anyone you can trustJan 25 18:39
DaemonFCthey police themselvesJan 25 18:39
DaemonFCthey're a quasi-governmental entity to bootJan 25 18:39
DaemonFCso what do you do?Jan 25 18:39
DaemonFCthose seizures I had were probably caused by the Abilify I was on earlier that yearJan 25 18:40
DaemonFChow do I prove it? I need a doctor's testimonyJan 25 18:40
DaemonFCwhere do you go shopping for non-corrupt doctors to take your side in the case?Jan 25 18:41
DaemonFCEnder2070: They put me on Abilify and after a week, I was shaking and so sick I could barely stand or walk, so I took myself off itJan 25 18:41
DaemonFCand the symptoms persisted for weeksJan 25 18:42
DaemonFCthe doctor told me it was all in my imagination and to keep taking it Jan 25 18:42
DaemonFCI told him "Would you keep taking this shit? Until it fucking kills you?"Jan 25 18:42
DaemonFCand he hung up on me and told me he would no longer treat meJan 25 18:43
DaemonFCvia mailJan 25 18:43
DaemonFCThere's a number of drugs that they've tried to put me on that I've refused since thenJan 25 18:43
DaemonFCjust outright refused, no negotiating room or anythingJan 25 18:44
DaemonFCI finally found one that put me on Lithium and I've been taking it ever sinceJan 25 18:44
DaemonFCthat's the thing about being an adult, being able to refuse them. Children can't.Jan 25 18:45
DaemonFCkids are the real victims of this systemJan 25 18:45
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*Shadoweye kicks DaemonFCJan 25 18:57
ShadoweyelmaoJan 25 18:57
schestowitzWhy So ANGRY!!111111Jan 25 18:58
DaemonFCWhy so serious?Jan 25 18:58
DaemonFC:DJan 25 18:59
ShadoweyelolJan 25 19:01
*Shadoweye looks at DaemonFC Who am IJan 25 19:01
DaemonFCsome assholeJan 25 19:02
DaemonFC:)Jan 25 19:02
DaemonFC;)Jan 25 19:02
Shadoweyey am I an assholeJan 25 19:02
DaemonFCAre you on your phone?Jan 25 19:02
ShadoweyemaybeJan 25 19:02
Ender2070someone using mirc, lolJan 25 19:03
DaemonFCMoron IRCJan 25 19:03
DaemonFC:PJan 25 19:03
DaemonFCPlease send $29 within 30 days to this guy in a turbin.Jan 25 19:04
Ender2070hey daemonfc, dalnet is teh shitzJan 25 19:04
ShadoweyelolJan 25 19:04
DaemonFCMirc scripting is the number 1 reason I hear people say to use it, but they're a security hazard, annoying to the rest of the channel, and totally fail in WineJan 25 19:05
DaemonFCI haven't used Mirc since at least 1998Jan 25 19:05
Ender2070you're full of shitJan 25 19:05
Ender2070you used it a few months agoJan 25 19:06
DaemonFCdid I?Jan 25 19:06
Ender2070I made fun of you for itJan 25 19:06
DaemonFCoh, I must have been playing with itJan 25 19:06
DaemonFC:DJan 25 19:06
Shadoweyelol So DaemonFC I am a asshole knowing you I will take it as a complimentJan 25 19:07
DaemonFCbut now I just activate my wii and play with myselfJan 25 19:07
DaemonFCit gives me quite a workoutJan 25 19:07
DaemonFCterm of endearment Jan 25 19:07
DaemonFChttp://popup.lala.com/popup/504684637714852226Jan 25 19:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lala Song Player - Misery (Single Version) by Soul Asylum .::. Size~: 23.06 KBJan 25 19:08
DaemonFCI still think that should be Microsoft's official company songJan 25 19:09
Ender2070is that the nickname for your penis?Jan 25 19:09
ShadoweyeDaemonFC I am Chris from OklahomaJan 25 19:09
Ender2070[14:04] <DaemonFC> but now I just activate my penis and play with myselfJan 25 19:09
Ender2070[14:04] <DaemonFC> it gives me quite a workoutJan 25 19:09
DaemonFCyes, Oklahoma, hmmmmJan 25 19:11
DaemonFCI won't even start with thatJan 25 19:11
ShadoweyeI am talking to you on YahooJan 25 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Escapees Find New Hosts to Damage Society From http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/respawning-persons/Jan 25 19:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Escapees Find New Hosts to Damage Society From | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.75 KBJan 25 19:12
DaemonFCthey could make a factory, and make misery, they'll create the cure cause they made the disease, Frustrated IncorporatedJan 25 19:13
DaemonFCheheJan 25 19:13
Ender2070http://www.michaelv.org/Jan 25 19:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: michaelv.org .::. Size~: 64.99 KBJan 25 19:14
DaemonFCheh, these speakers have more bass than I thoughtJan 25 19:26
DaemonFCPink Floyd album is knocking shit off my deskJan 25 19:26
DaemonFCcool 8-)Jan 25 19:26
_GoblinWhat pink floyd?Jan 25 19:31
_Goblinlol....weak as waterJan 25 19:31
DaemonFC:PJan 25 19:32
_Goblinthis will disintergrate the stuff on your desk (if you speakers can take it)Jan 25 19:32
_Goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RbmbFhghd0Jan 25 19:32
DaemonFCthey probably canJan 25 19:32
DaemonFCwhat is it?Jan 25 19:32
_Goblinreal...metal/hard rockJan 25 19:32
DaemonFCWhat if I like discerning the lyrics?Jan 25 19:33
_Goblinlisten harderJan 25 19:33
_Goblinfirst word ..."Mankind"Jan 25 19:33
_Goblin"Look to the fire, hope to die"....quite simple if you listenJan 25 19:33
DaemonFCquite simple if no dickheads have "mastered" the CD so loud it'll blow the roof off your houseJan 25 19:34
DaemonFCthat last Metallica CD was the worst thing I've ever heardJan 25 19:34
_Goblinagreed...Jan 25 19:34
_Goblineverything after they hit the mainstream blewJan 25 19:35
_Goblinsame with BlackcrowesJan 25 19:35
_GoblinGnr tooJan 25 19:35
DaemonFCI ended up getting the Guitar Hero III rip of Death MagneticJan 25 19:35
_GoblinApetite for Destruction was great....everything else was hopeless..Jan 25 19:35
DaemonFCit actually wasn't fucked up in the video gameJan 25 19:36
DaemonFCthey had people in the Metallica forum on their site telling people to get the GH3 rip off of BittorrentJan 25 19:36
DaemonFCthat was too damned funnyJan 25 19:36
_Goblinwhat people wasted bandwidth on Metallica?Jan 25 19:36
_GoblinId rather d/l WindowsJan 25 19:37
DaemonFCit was just how ironic it wasJan 25 19:37
DaemonFCafter 8 years of bitching about P2PJan 25 19:37
DaemonFCpeople on their own forum said get it off BittorrentJan 25 19:37
DaemonFCI have to wonder if they realize how stupid it was to fuck up the CD that badJan 25 19:37
DaemonFCthat the people torrenting is now their faultJan 25 19:38
DaemonFCI mean certainly even starting to complain and perjuring themselves in front of Congress was bad enoughJan 25 19:39
DaemonFCbut it was like free advertisements for the fact that you could get it freeJan 25 19:39
DaemonFCthen they ruin the CD to where the only way to get a copy that sounds decent is on file sharing sitesJan 25 19:40
DaemonFCthen Lars Ulrich gets on these news sites saying he couldn't get a copy of one of their new albums and so he got the leaked version on LimewireJan 25 19:41
DaemonFCwhich was just as illegal for him to do as anyoneJan 25 19:41
MinceRpwntJan 25 19:41
DaemonFCwhy didn't the RIAA sue Lars Ulrich?Jan 25 19:41
DaemonFChe has moneyJan 25 19:41
DaemonFC:DJan 25 19:41
DaemonFCso him for $26,000 per track on that CDJan 25 19:42
DaemonFC*sueJan 25 19:42
DaemonFC_Goblin: Pink Floyd is good stuff to get stoned toJan 25 19:47
_Goblinwouldn't know I don't use drugsJan 25 19:47
DaemonFCI don't smoke now, not pot, not cigarettesJan 25 19:49
DaemonFCnothingJan 25 19:49
DaemonFChmmm, there's now a movement for a constitutional amendment that would forbid the government from recognizing corporations as people for the purpose of conferring rights onto them.Jan 25 19:58
DaemonFCI could get behind thatJan 25 19:58
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DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/25/pope_on_web/Jan 25 20:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pope tells priests - get to grips with blogs, web vids • The Register .::. Size~: 22.37 KBJan 25 20:07
DaemonFCPope tells priests, spread propaganda on internet, don't download child pornJan 25 20:07
DaemonFC*grin*Jan 25 20:07
DaemonFC(Don't worry, we'll relocate you to safety in some state without a Megan's Law if you do)Jan 25 20:09
*Shadoweye looks at RyanJan 25 20:11
*Shadoweye pokes DaemonFCJan 25 20:11
DaemonFCDon't touch me, you're not my priest!Jan 25 20:11
ShadoweyelmaoJan 25 20:11
DaemonFCThis is all going in my nightly report to God, you bad bad man you!Jan 25 20:12
DaemonFCYou want to know why I'm not a Christian? I'm just not that in to kiddie porn, bigamy, and the military industrial complexJan 25 20:13
DaemonFCand that narrows down the choicesJan 25 20:13
DaemonFCyeah, the Anglican church lost half their subscribers by accepting two gay bishops, and I can kind of respect thatJan 25 20:15
DaemonFCI can only imagine what that did to their bottom lineJan 25 20:15
DaemonFCbut I still have to ask if this is 1964 and we're the black people that can sit in the front row nowJan 25 20:15
DaemonFCmy aunt's ex husband got thrown out of his church a few months agoJan 25 20:17
DaemonFCcause there was a 16 year old boy (and no, he didn't do anything inappropriate/illegal with him) who was gay and too afraid to tell his parentsJan 25 20:18
DaemonFCand so my aunt's ex-husband got thrown out of the church for giving him some reasonable advice that didn't involve Jesus sending the kid to hellJan 25 20:18
MinceR210902 < DaemonFC> Don't touch me, you're not my priest!Jan 25 20:20
MinceRlolJan 25 20:20
DaemonFCIt's hard living in a family that's majority Christian (whenever they're not doing something wrong)Jan 25 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] xp in a VM is an excellent way to send your CPU to 105 deg C. also, this lets you use your laptop as a hairdryer.Jan 25 20:22
DaemonFClike, holiday dinners, where my grandmother turns on one of those stupid jackass televangelists who like, cups his hand over hit forehead like he's staring into the sun, closes his eyes "God is telling me bleeeeeeeeeh!!!!! The wicked shall be punished! bleeeeeeeeh!"Jan 25 20:23
DaemonFCso I got up to go into the other room and everyone asks where I'm going and so I mock the televangelist "Brain is telling me......must get to minimum safe distance before indigestion sets in......"Jan 25 20:24
DaemonFC:DJan 25 20:24
DaemonFCIt's always entertaining to go anywhere where my family isJan 25 20:24
DaemonFCrnb: That's why your theory about me living in my mom's basement could not be accurate, I'd rather struggle to pay bills and take care of life's daily disasters than live with Christians, or anyone else that is going to tell me what I will believe and do if I am to stay there.Jan 25 20:27
DaemonFCand So, I have been on my own since way before I turned 18Jan 25 20:27
DaemonFCI preferred to live in my car for nearly two years to be free of thatJan 25 20:27
DaemonFCliving on my own or my step dad's corpse on the deck and me in prison were the choicesJan 25 20:29
DaemonFCthings get better and worse, but everything is transitory Jan 25 20:29
*schestowitz thinks DaemonFC has stalkersJan 25 20:29
DaemonFCthey just want my autographJan 25 20:30
DaemonFCthey're my publicJan 25 20:30
DaemonFCthey always find me by the pool, doing my manicuresJan 25 20:31
DaemonFCout here in the tropics Jan 25 20:31
DaemonFCdamned Paparazzi, they killed Diana and they'll get me tooJan 25 20:31
DaemonFCschestowitz: Maybe I should lose them by going 120 MPH in this cramped tunnelJan 25 20:34
DaemonFCI guess the concept of tinted windows was lost on these peopleJan 25 20:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some @BillGates revelations, some history/dynasty information, and news about his hypocrisy regarding #tax http://ur1.ca/knpfJan 25 20:39
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Taxing banks is a horrible ideaJan 25 20:42
DaemonFCthey'll just punish borrowers with higher interest ratesJan 25 20:42
DaemonFCit's an indirect tax on citizensJan 25 20:42
DaemonFChe might as well have said up the tax on groceriesJan 25 20:44
DaemonFCwhich cap and trade will if implementedJan 25 20:44
DaemonFCcap and trade is the biggest public threat being tossed around in CongressJan 25 20:44
DaemonFCI wonder what Gates thinks of itJan 25 20:45
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DaemonFC"When all these people can no longer heat their homes and buy food, there will be a little less carbon dioxide released into the air"Jan 25 20:46
DaemonFC"If we can just starve and freeze the peasants to death, there will be more for us"Jan 25 20:46
MinceRif they stop breathing, that also means less carbon dioxide released into the airJan 25 20:47
DaemonFCbonusJan 25 20:48
DaemonFC:)Jan 25 20:48
DaemonFCif cap and trade is passed in the US, I believe at least half a million to a million people will dieJan 25 20:49
DaemonFCit also reduces millions from middle class to impoverishedJan 25 20:49
DaemonFCit's a war on the middle class and poor in the name of environmentalismJan 25 20:50
DaemonFCthere's lots of things they could do if they really wanted to be more environmentally friendly, like making it illegal to burn off perfectly good natural gas at oil refineriesJan 25 20:51
DaemonFCthe refinery outside the town I live in has a torch where they burn off natural gas day in and day outJan 25 20:51
DaemonFCthat could be used for something, it's just not profitable enough for them to want to bottle and sell I guessJan 25 20:52
DaemonFCor quit trying to tell people that corn should be turned into fuelJan 25 20:52
DaemonFCeven though it is actually worse than burning that amount of energy in gasolineJan 25 20:53
DaemonFCyou actually get less energy out of E85 than it took to make the shitJan 25 20:53
DaemonFCand the state is not taxing itJan 25 20:53
MinceRmaking E85 takes CO2 out of the air, thoughJan 25 20:54
DaemonFCI don't want to be told that cap and trade is the only way to go when there are so many things we can do which don't involve anyone dyingJan 25 20:54
MinceRwhat gets out when you burn it merely returns thatJan 25 20:54
DaemonFCnot reallyJan 25 20:54
DaemonFCthey're using fossil fuels in the process of growing the cornJan 25 20:54
MinceRicJan 25 20:54
DaemonFCthey're taking corn out of the food supplyJan 25 20:55
MinceRalso, i forgot about that 15%Jan 25 20:55
DaemonFCthey use more fossil fuel to refine itJan 25 20:55
MinceRwell, would people pay more for that corn to use it as food?Jan 25 20:55
DaemonFCand then they put 15% gasoline in anywayJan 25 20:55
MinceRare there no market forces at work anyway?Jan 25 20:55
DaemonFCMinceR: No, and if it reduces you gas mileage 27% vs. gas and was taqxed the same, consumers would kill itJan 25 20:56
DaemonFCthat's why they heavily subsidize the growers, with taxpayer moneyJan 25 20:56
MinceRicJan 25 20:56
DaemonFCE-85 is a conspiracy to shower corn growers with tax money, and encourage the public to use a fuel that pollutes worse than gasJan 25 20:57
DaemonFCMinceR: Of course the corn growers want to sell it as fuel and not pig feedJan 25 20:58
DaemonFCthey're not stupid, they're ripping us offJan 25 20:58
DaemonFCand by making a shortage of animal feed, they get to sell the animal feed at higher prices tooJan 25 20:58
Omar87__Greetings all.Jan 25 20:59
MinceRwhy do you think it pollutes _worse_ than gas?Jan 25 20:59
MinceRhay Omar87__ Jan 25 20:59
Omar87__Man! This Ubuntu Developer Weel is awesome!Jan 25 20:59
DaemonFCthe refinery and the machinery that run on fossil fuels to grow it, harvest it, and process itJan 25 20:59
MinceRDaemonFC: do you have data?Jan 25 20:59
DaemonFCit costs more in fossil fuels to tend the fields and refine it than just running that many cars on that much gasJan 25 20:59
DaemonFCall over Google :)Jan 25 21:00
DaemonFCmaking cars more energy efficient should be the primary goalJan 25 21:00
DaemonFCnot running gas guzzlers on corn alcoholJan 25 21:00
DaemonFCthere's no way for that to ever pay for itself eitherJan 25 21:01
DaemonFCwithout the heavy corn subsidies and with the imposition of gasoline taxes, E-85 would be much more expensive than a gallon of gasJan 25 21:01
DaemonFCI'll bet E-85 would be $3.50 a gallon to gasoline at $2.80 a gallon, the the side effect that E-85 reduces your mileage by 27% as wellJan 25 21:02
DaemonFCso you'd have  to pay $4.45 to run your car as far as $2.80 in gas, MinceRJan 25 21:03
DaemonFCthat's why E-85 would die fast in a fair fightJan 25 21:03
DaemonFCand my car would not get 22 miles per gallon, it would get about 16Jan 25 21:04
DaemonFCit's really just that you have to take the energy potential of a gallon of each into accountJan 25 21:05
DaemonFCthey also love it because it lets them throw in some REALLY substandard gas into the E-85 which would otherwise make your engine knock and ping, if it ran at allJan 25 21:05
DaemonFCand the alcohol raises the octane level enough to avoid thatJan 25 21:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Spreads Microsoft Inside #GNU #Linux Whereas #LINA Spreads *NIX Inside #Windows http://ur1.ca/knrmJan 25 21:06
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schestowitz[20:59] <Omar87__> Man! This Ubuntu Developer Weel is awesome!Jan 25 21:08
schestowitzGood.Jan 25 21:08
DaemonFCMinceR: I just really could not be more against E-85, if Indiana and the Feds refunded taxpayer money that they subsidize this shit with, I would be standing here with a check for about $500 I'll betJan 25 21:08
DaemonFCalong with everyone else in the stateJan 25 21:08
Omar87__Week*Jan 25 21:08
MinceRicJan 25 21:08
DaemonFCMinceR: Now, there is one way to make E-85 that I agree withJan 25 21:09
DaemonFCfast growing weeds and vegetation, switchgrass, etc.Jan 25 21:09
MinceRindeedJan 25 21:09
DaemonFCstuff that grows by itself and doesn't really need tendingJan 25 21:09
MinceRbut what you said implies that's not what the government is subsidizingJan 25 21:09
DaemonFCit's notJan 25 21:09
DaemonFCthe government is subsidizing corn and other food grade cropsJan 25 21:10
DaemonFCwhich should never be allowed Jan 25 21:10
DaemonFCif they subsidize food, it should be sold as foodJan 25 21:10
DaemonFCnot used in a scam to inflate food pricesJan 25 21:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hello 1984! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-dronesJan 25 21:11
DaemonFCMinceR: If you told me the government was subsidizing a reasonable amount of land that is not suitable to grow food on, in order to plant fast growing switchgrass to make ethanol out of, I would not be opposed to thatJan 25 21:12
DaemonFCit's not the case thoughJan 25 21:12
DaemonFCand it would actually produce more ethanol than the yield of corn that a similar size tract of land could sustainJan 25 21:13
DaemonFCso it's all good and very little bad, for taxpayers, motorists, but not for the corn growersJan 25 21:14
DaemonFCthe corn growers want corn to be more scarce and more valuableJan 25 21:14
DaemonFCit would be like the people who sell gold, they have every reason to want it to be in short supplyJan 25 21:15
DaemonFCless gold = more money for selling less goldJan 25 21:15
DaemonFCit would be like asking a car dealer if he'd like to make twice as much by selling half the carsJan 25 21:15
DaemonFCwhat do you think?Jan 25 21:16
schestowitzEnder2070: http://madhatter.ca/?p=198 you should be in touch with Mad Hatter... maybe.... or sub' to his blogJan 25 21:16
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DaemonFCbut in corn's case, it's a conspiracy among the corn growersJan 25 21:16
schestowitzTo save the filmsJan 25 21:16
schestowitzOh wait :-)Jan 25 21:16
DaemonFCand should raise an anti-trust lawsuit against the growersJan 25 21:16
schestowitzThe CornCartel(R)Jan 25 21:17
schestowitzKillerCorn.orgJan 25 21:17
schestowitzHey, DaemonFCJan 25 21:17
schestowitzYou're an audiophile...Jan 25 21:17
DaemonFCyes?Jan 25 21:17
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/25/1758218/Bach-Launches-Updated-MP3-FormatJan 25 21:17
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schestowitzAssessment?Jan 25 21:18
DaemonFCnot another oneJan 25 21:18
DaemonFCwasn't MP3HD enough of a lol?Jan 25 21:18
schestowitzWe need MORE choiceJan 25 21:18
schestowitzThen we can bloat up the OS with more codecsJan 25 21:18
schestowitzAnd more patches for eachJan 25 21:18
MinceRwe don't need more tweaked versions of mp3, though :>Jan 25 21:19
schestowitzCause of patentsJan 25 21:19
DaemonFCillegally downloaded files remain........just like they are now!!!!! HORRROORRRRR!!!Jan 25 21:19
DaemonFCPANIC!!! Jan 25 21:19
schestowitzEach company wants a place in the patent pools (extortion/welfare)Jan 25 21:19
DaemonFCyou don't have them sending you crap and spamJan 25 21:19
DaemonFCnutsJan 25 21:19
schestowitzNokia opposes Ogg cause apparently it has mpeg tax to collectJan 25 21:19
DaemonFCNokia is pushing AACJan 25 21:19
DaemonFChas been for years nowJan 25 21:19
MinceRthat's mpeg too, iircJan 25 21:20
schestowitzNokia is dying :-)Jan 25 21:20
schestowitzIMHOJan 25 21:20
schestowitzLike a dinosaurJan 25 21:20
DaemonFCyes, MPEG-4 and the alleged successor to MP3Jan 25 21:20
DaemonFCyou'd never know it though :)Jan 25 21:20
schestowitzSlow decline of the heavyweightJan 25 21:20
MinceRthey do have a few ideas that could lead to survivalJan 25 21:20
MinceRif only they'd make up their mind on what they wantJan 25 21:20
DaemonFCMinceR: AAC is a disappointment, it's not that much better than MP3 in practiceJan 25 21:21
DaemonFCbut it renews their patentsJan 25 21:21
DaemonFCthat's the main purpose of itJan 25 21:21
DaemonFCthe bitstream format works out a lot of MP3 shortcomings, but the encoders have not been all that impressiveJan 25 21:21
DaemonFCNero still loses out toe LAME MP3 quite consistentlyJan 25 21:22
DaemonFCLAME works out pretty much every typical MP3 problem that wouldn't result in breaking the bitstream formatJan 25 21:22
DaemonFCso MP3 and AAC have opposing problems that render neither of them as clearly superiorJan 25 21:23
DaemonFCVorbis has a good format and good encoderJan 25 21:23
DaemonFCso you can clearly tell a difference Jan 25 21:23
DaemonFCAAC in theory could improve, but it hasn't happened in 10 years and I don't think it's imminentJan 25 21:24
DaemonFCFAAC was probably the only hope of it becoming worth using but the developers got hired by Nero and FAAC has been abandonedJan 25 21:25
DaemonFCFAAC is still what you get if you install AAC encoding support on LinuxJan 25 21:25
schestowitzI would like to see x-ians like Bill O'Reilly respond to this: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=early-human-population-size-genetic-diversityJan 25 21:26
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DaemonFCFAAD2 is a good decoder though, so you won't have any problem listening to the files on Linux, but I'd discourage trying to make more of themJan 25 21:26
schestowitz"Oh no!!!!1 I didn't not come from monkey sex!!"Jan 25 21:26
cubezzzx-ians?Jan 25 21:26
DaemonFCschestowitz: Why in the hell would anyone want "additional content"Jan 25 21:27
DaemonFCyou have the album, and the coversJan 25 21:27
DaemonFCthey think BD-Live is a great idea tooJan 25 21:27
DaemonFCit's really like, blow me I don;t careJan 25 21:27
DaemonFC:PJan 25 21:27
cubezzzI find the Dodo interesting actuallyJan 25 21:28
schestowitzINNOVA~1 buzzword again.... http://www.xconomy.com/national/2010/01/25/the-apple-paradox-how-a-company-thats-so-closed-can-foster-so-much-open-innovation/Jan 25 21:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Apple Paradox: How a Company Thats So Closed Can Foster So Much Open Innovation | Xconomy .::. Size~: 83.67 KBJan 25 21:28
cubezzzyou wonder how long the Dodo survived just fine then some sailors come along and manage to kill every last one of themJan 25 21:28
schestowitzcubezzz: just shorthand for christianJan 25 21:29
cubezzzah rightJan 25 21:29
schestowitzHe's also a crusaderJan 25 21:29
schestowitzPro-Iraq war and allJan 25 21:29
schestowitzThus the xJan 25 21:29
schestowitzcubezzz: I reckon dodos were kind of yummy :-)Jan 25 21:30
schestowitz"Tastes like chicken....."Jan 25 21:30
DaemonFCschestowitz: a few more MP3 patents expire this year I noticedJan 25 21:31
DaemonFC:)Jan 25 21:31
cubezzzI heard they tasted awful actuallyJan 25 21:31
cubezzzbut who knowsJan 25 21:31
schestowitzHere comes Linux to PS3 again: http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/01/hello-hypervisor-im-geohot.htmlJan 25 21:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: On the PlayStation 3: Hello hypervisor, I'm geohot .::. Size~: 298.83 KBJan 25 21:31
DaemonFCMP3 is functionally public domain even though it's technically patent-encumberedJan 25 21:31
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, they were all long deadJan 25 21:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 2010 – the year of the ….. alternative? http://tinyurl.com/yz3emng #microsoft #linux #foss #appleJan 25 21:31
DaemonFCit's hilariousJan 25 21:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 2010  the year of the &.. alternative? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 36.96 KBJan 25 21:31
schestowitzYou don't wanna eat fossilsJan 25 21:32
cubezzzsomeone could have written about it schestowitzJan 25 21:32
cubezzz16th century I thinkJan 25 21:32
schestowitzHow do you write about taste?Jan 25 21:32
cubezzza relatively recent extinctionJan 25 21:32
cubezzzwell you could say it tasted good or grossJan 25 21:32
schestowitzAnyway, if they have DNA they can maybe bring back those animals in the futureJan 25 21:32
cubezzzit was like ......Jan 25 21:32
cubezzzfrogs/pigs/dog/cowJan 25 21:33
schestowitzI tried only cowJan 25 21:33
schestowitzThey say dogs taste like chicken IIRCJan 25 21:33
cubezzzcow/turkey/chicken/veal :)Jan 25 21:33
schestowitzSome countries eat puppiesJan 25 21:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: I did some looking, and that patent that FhG said Vorbis was infringint on back in 2004, expires in OctoberJan 25 21:33
DaemonFCthey're full of shit or they'd have sued by nowJan 25 21:34
DaemonFC*infringingJan 25 21:34
cubezzzsorry, I'm wrong, it was 15th centuryJan 25 21:34
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/23/AR2010012300796.htmlJan 25 21:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pope to priests: Go forth and blog - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 85.53 KBJan 25 21:35
schestowitzInteresting.Jan 25 21:35
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schestowitzMaybe the religions need to recruit in new waysJan 25 21:35
schestowitzAtheism doubled IIRC in the US over the past decadeJan 25 21:35
schestowitzBased on a pollJan 25 21:35
cubezzz"However, journals are full of reports regarding the bad taste and tough meat of the dodo, while other local species such as the Red Rail were praised for their taste."Jan 25 21:36
schestowitzUse PGP BTW: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.htmlJan 25 21:37
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schestowitzThe fascists are taking over :-pJan 25 21:38
schestowitzcubezzz: so the dodo is just a piece of meat now.....Jan 25 21:38
schestowitzMaybe when whales are extinct people will remember it by the taste of their blubberJan 25 21:38
cubezzznot even thatJan 25 21:39
cubezzzjust a skeletonJan 25 21:39
cubezzzwith maybe traces of muscleJan 25 21:40
schestowitzYeah... but we have good photos nowJan 25 21:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: DVD players are finally losing market share  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588475/dvd-players-finally-losing-market-shareJan 25 21:41
cubezzzhttp://animals.howstuffworks.com/extinct-animals/dodo.htmJan 25 21:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HowStuffWorks "Could scientists resurrect the dodo bird?" .::. Size~: 56.23 KBJan 25 21:41
cubezzzthey might be seeing blu-ray players below costJan 25 21:43
cubezzzsellingJan 25 21:43
cubezzzphase out dvd and get people to switch to blu-ray with it's stronger copy protectionJan 25 21:44
schestowitzcubezzz: ta for the linkJan 25 21:47
schestowitzYou know what upsets me? What Carlin said about extinctionsJan 25 21:47
schestowitzSome people agree /w himJan 25 21:47
schestowitzThese animals are each more wonderful than anything we evr createdJan 25 21:47
schestowitzSmall bacteria too... smarter than microchipsJan 25 21:47
schestowitzAnd you can't randomly make them from NDAJan 25 21:48
schestowitzIt takes many iterations of trial and errorJan 25 21:48
schestowitzSo once you lose continuity it's impossible to resotreJan 25 21:48
schestowitzCarlin is like, "who cares?"Jan 25 21:48
schestowitzLet's just have 20 billion people on Earth or whatever.... who needs other species like our distant cousins the trees?Jan 25 21:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: I noticed, people are stupidJan 25 21:49
Omar87__http://www.mytomatosoup.net/news/ubuntu-developer-week.-the-spirit-of-ubuntuJan 25 21:49
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DaemonFCthink that a few more lines of resolution is worth 10 more layers of DRMJan 25 21:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: Geico drops you if you have epilepsyJan 25 21:52
DaemonFCI'd like to know how they'd find that outJan 25 21:52
schestowitzOh man!!!!!!!Jan 25 21:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #UbuntuDeveloperWeek. The Spirit of #Ubuntu! http://tinyurl.com/ycg3aqtJan 25 21:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu Developer Week. The Spirit of Ubuntu! &mdash; mytomatosoup .::. Size~: 27.79 KBJan 25 21:56
schestowitzHe's leaving....Jan 25 21:56
schestowitzZonker.Jan 25 21:56
schestowitzJust after Friedman.Jan 25 21:57
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oink%27s_Pink_Palace#Trent_ReznorJan 25 22:02
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DaemonFCTrent Reznor criticized iTunesJan 25 22:02
DaemonFChehJan 25 22:02
DaemonFCand admits to using a file sharing siteJan 25 22:03
DaemonFChttp://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/10/trent_reznor_and_saul_williams.htmlJan 25 22:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Trent Reznor and Saul Williams Discuss Their New Collaboration, Mourn OiNK -- Vulture .::. Size~: 70.54 KBJan 25 22:03
DaemonFCold news, first I've seen it thoughJan 25 22:03
DaemonFC" iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go  there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm  being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is  that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc."Jan 25 22:04
DaemonFCroflJan 25 22:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomcoates Absolutely beautiful house from A Single Man is up for sale: http://bit.ly/5WRp2U // Architect John Lautner was a genius :)Jan 25 22:04
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schestowitzFlickr is b0rkdJan 25 22:06
schestowitzJust here?Jan 25 22:06
DaemonFCschestowitz: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/01/china-loves-ballmer-hates-google-rails-against-us.arsJan 25 22:11
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DaemonFChttp://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7017623721Jan 25 22:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: AOL Announces $36.5M Merger, Purchase Of Video Production Company | AHN  .::. Size~: 14.74 KBJan 25 22:11
DaemonFCAOL is buying crap againJan 25 22:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SUSE is Being Abandoned, #OpenSUSE ’s community chief is leaving #Novell next week http://ur1.ca/knwkJan 25 22:15
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: says  Nate Anderson?Jan 25 22:17
schestowitzThat Microsoft is a CHina ally is not newJan 25 22:17
schestowitzAnd women in China long for the sperm of a crminal from Microsoft, said a poll from some years agoJan 25 22:18
schestowitzParallel universesJan 25 22:18
schestowitz / Diablo-D3 /daemonFOX/Jan 25 22:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Nationalism is a syphilis of the mind.Jan 25 22:18
schestowitzChina can run over the USJan 25 22:19
schestowitzThey have more troops and they also have underground cities and nuclear weaponsJan 25 22:19
schestowitzHillary is just arousing themJan 25 22:19
schestowitz"No loads for you!!!!!"Jan 25 22:20
Ender2070<schestowitz> - im in touch with mad hatter sometimes, and I keep forgetting he has this new site now :)Jan 25 22:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mparent77772 UN: Gaza in State of Physical, Psychological Collapse http://bit.ly/7QJy0w #gaza // application of shock doctrineJan 25 22:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Tony Blair clinches lucrative hedge fund contract http://bit.ly/64t8nM // news from the Blair Watch Project #war #iraq #ukJan 25 22:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Tony Blair clinches lucrative hedge fund contract - Times Online  .::. Size~: 98.87 KBJan 25 22:22
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/25/internet-explorer-losing-its-luster-in-europeJan 25 22:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Internet Explorer Losing its Luster in Europe? | WebProNews .::. Size~: 32.35 KBJan 25 22:23
schestowitzEricsson cutting an extra 1,500 jobs < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8478301.stm > They must move to Linux fasterJan 25 22:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting (if short) article about @seesawtv the UK internet streaming telly thing http://bit.ly/8K8REw #fbJan 25 22:29
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/fox-false-report-uncorrected/Jan 25 22:30
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ender2070_http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1wiMyX/www.egodialogues.com/words-language/huxley-orwell.phpJan 25 22:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Aldous Huxley versus George Orwell - Words, Language & Poetry - Ego Dialogues - StumbleUpon .::. Size~: 8.33 KBJan 25 22:44
ender2070_wicked comparison, lolJan 25 22:44
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MinceRmental note: i need to read Brave New WorldJan 25 22:49
ender2070_yes, same hereJan 25 22:50
ender2070_i've seen quotes from it, and i've read 1984Jan 25 22:50
schestowitzender2070_: excellent!Jan 25 22:50
schestowitzhttp://sternlab.org/2010/01/asciiheart/Jan 25 22:51
schestowitzvia http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/25/ascii-heart-necklace.htmlJan 25 22:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ASCII heart necklace Boing Boing .::. Size~: 43.67 KBJan 25 22:51
schestowitzThat's what geeks give their g/f or b/fJan 25 22:51
ender2070_lolJan 25 22:52
ender2070_I was in a public washroom, the sign for complaints had a 1337 phone numberJan 25 22:52
schestowitziLate sounds like a pile of rubbish: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/25/islate_fingerprints/Jan 25 22:57
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schestowitzIPhone OS *LOL*Jan 25 22:57
schestowitzENjoy the stupid UI on a $2000 small-ass tabletJan 25 22:57
ender2070_lolJan 25 23:03
schestowitzThe term Ballnux was popularised by BN...... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=ballnux&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=Jan 25 23:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ballnux - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.18 KBJan 25 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Successor to MP3 does less, worse, at higher price http://newstechnica.com/?p=1365Jan 25 23:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Successor to MP3 does less, worse, at higher price | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.97 KBJan 25 23:10
schestowitzhttp://usesthis.com/Jan 25 23:12
schestowitzNice.Jan 25 23:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Setup .::. Size~: 14.04 KBJan 25 23:13
MinceRall the others are crApple cultists, thoughJan 25 23:13
MinceRi kind of wonder what RMS is doing on that site :>Jan 25 23:13
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/13/google-china-western-internet-freedomJan 25 23:15
schestowitzMinceR: yes, it's a lot of Macheads and Web peopleJan 25 23:15
schestowitzBut it's good that RMS is thereJan 25 23:15
schestowitzNot just preaching to the chaoirJan 25 23:15
schestowitz*oirJan 25 23:15
MinceRwell, at least the crApple cultists get a chance to see that not the entire world is an idiot boxJan 25 23:15
schestowitzhttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.htmlJan 25 23:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Official Google Blog: A new approach to China .::. Size~: 86.75 KBJan 25 23:16
schestowitzMinceR: iDiotJan 25 23:16
schestowitzNot you.Jan 25 23:16
MinceRi know :)Jan 25 23:16
schestowitzRespect the "i"Jan 25 23:16
schestowitzPespek!Jan 25 23:16
MinceRperspex?Jan 25 23:16
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schestowitzWill this support gnu linux? http://www.pcworld.com/article/187594/hp_to_distribute_music_service_on_pcs_in_europe.html?tk=rss_newsJan 25 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HP to Distribute Music Service on PCs in Europe - PC World .::. Size~: 67.05 KBJan 25 23:21
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/187599/lenovo_closes_down_a_manufacturing_site_in_india.html?tk=rss_newsJan 25 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lenovo Closes Down a Manufacturing Site in India - PC World .::. Size~: 67.9 KBJan 25 23:21
schestowitzLenovo stinks, so this is OKJan 25 23:22
schestowitzCultalk "We're just over 48 hours away from the grand unveiling on Wednesday when Apple......." http://www.pcworld.com/article/187602/10_best_bets_for_apples_latest_creation_event.html?tk=rss_newsJan 25 23:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 10 Best Bets for Apple's 'Latest Creation' Event - PC World .::. Size~: 84 KBJan 25 23:23
schestowitzCounting the hours.....Jan 25 23:23
MinceRbetter make a "news" post every time the count of hours decreases... -_-Jan 25 23:25
schestowitzNo, IDG jus floods with repetitive nonsenseJan 25 23:27
schestowitzContentlessJan 25 23:27
schestowitzAs you'd imagine... cause the thing never started, so it's pure speculations and woirshipJan 25 23:27
Myfraudsoftthere is great Apple parody on youtube (from MadTV)Jan 25 23:27
schestowitz s/woirship/whoreship/Jan 25 23:28
schestowitzhttp://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2010/01/apple-patent-application-two-fer-new-gesture-inputs-solar-powered-ipodsJan 25 23:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple patent application two-fer: new gesture inputs, solar-powered iPods? - Topix .::. Size~: 43.89 KBJan 25 23:28
schestowitzJust patents to muddy it for Linux.....Jan 25 23:29
schestowitzhttp://industry.bnet.com/technology/10004789/apple-multi-touch-patent-on-shaky-ground/ http://www.sustainablebusiness.com/index.cfm/go/news.display/id/19573Jan 25 23:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Multi-Touch Patent on Shaky Ground | BNET Technology Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 86.28 KBJan 25 23:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Patents Home Energy Management System .::. Size~: 35.93 KBJan 25 23:29
Myfraudsofthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrEJan 25 23:29
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100125152508615Jan 25 23:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Groklaw - Notice of Agenda for SCO Bankruptcy Hearing on the 27th .::. Size~: 22.78 KBJan 25 23:30
schestowitz"Judge Gross "Jan 25 23:30
cubezzzappropriateJan 25 23:30
schestowitzHehe.Jan 25 23:31
schestowitzSee videoJan 25 23:31
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cubezzzcan someone try http://cubezzz.homelinux.org/drupal Jan 25 23:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Domain of the Cube Forum | Cube lovers returns .::. Size~: 31.71 KBJan 25 23:53
cubezzzand tell me if it's blocked for them?Jan 25 23:53
schestowitzhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/ubuntuone-being-ported-to-windows.htmlJan 25 23:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UbuntuOne Being Ported To Windows | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 106.44 KBJan 25 23:54
schestowitzUbuntu products for in32Jan 25 23:54
schestowitzcubezzz: not blockedJan 25 23:55
cubezzzokJan 25 23:56
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/twitter_account_hijacking/Jan 25 23:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Amateur goof makes Twitter account hijacking a snap • The Register .::. Size~: 21.14 KBJan 25 23:57
schestowitz""This is not Adobe's fault," Bailey told El Reg. "This is due to the fact that a lot of really bad programmers are coding Flash objects. I've seen literally hundreds of these things across the web.""Jan 25 23:57
cubezzzthis guy is sayin trend micro is blocking my siteJan 25 23:59
cubezzzis trend micro blocking web pages now?Jan 25 23:59

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