| cubezzz | I was non Microsoft in the past too | Feb 02 00:00 |
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| cubezzz | then I went through a dark ages of computing | Feb 02 00:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They killed Novell Netware by about the same ploy they used to kill Netscape | Feb 02 00:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which was Novells only real cash cow | Feb 02 00:01 |
| cubezzz | it's a pity about Novell, but life goes on | Feb 02 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in time, Novell will be forced to sell out, its just a question of time | Feb 02 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as they do not put enough into opensuse anymore | Feb 02 00:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | except for Mono and Moonlight, which MS foots the bill for | Feb 02 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, a lot of things are too dependent on Red Hat to be healthy though | Feb 02 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | so that's not good either | Feb 02 00:03 |
| cubezzz | there's Debian | Feb 02 00:03 |
| cubezzz | and GNU and the BSDs | Feb 02 00:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can't ever see M$ buying OpenSuse from Novell though | Feb 02 00:03 |
| cubezzz | they had Xenix | Feb 02 00:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | later all | Feb 02 00:03 |
| *Chips_B_Malroy has quit (Quit: Page closed) | Feb 02 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | well, OpenSuse could be forked, but I don't see anyone with the resources to maintain it, and frankly there's better distributions anyway | Feb 02 00:04 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: no | Feb 02 00:04 |
| schestowitz | It's about migrations to Linux | Feb 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Some in Germany | Feb 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | As for Microsoft... | Feb 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me info about them laying off 5 months early | Feb 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They keep it hidden | Feb 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Basically, they shrink quickly | Feb 02 00:05 |
| cubezzz | their day is over | Feb 02 00:05 |
| oiaohm | The growth of OpenOffice market share is the begining of the end. | Feb 02 00:06 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, nice | Feb 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: waitt...... | Feb 02 00:06 |
| oiaohm | MS is going to be taken down the same way lot of Unix's wore. | Feb 02 00:06 |
| oiaohm | were | Feb 02 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Inside first. | Feb 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osor.eu/news/de-rural-district-uses-open-source-to-manage-it-at-schools | Feb 02 00:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DE: Rural district uses open source to manage IT at schools — .::. Size~: 30.14 KB | Feb 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Today also: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Study-21-of-German-PCs-run-OpenOffice-919501.html | Feb 02 00:06 |
| cubezzz | Unix will always be around, just in a different form | Feb 02 00:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Study: > 21% of German PCs run OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.12 KB | Feb 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz | They move to GNU/Linux oo | Feb 02 00:07 |
| oiaohm | I was refering to closed source Unix cubezzz | Feb 02 00:07 |
| schestowitz | *too | Feb 02 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Not just Linux | Feb 02 00:07 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 02 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Gartner lies about it | Feb 02 00:07 |
| cubezzz | who really wants closed source anyway? :) | Feb 02 00:07 |
| oiaohm | The magic number is 50 percent market share. | Feb 02 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Once a cheep solution gets there it accelerates quicky. | Feb 02 00:08 |
| oiaohm | Very quickly. | Feb 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mygnulinux.com/?p=470 | Feb 02 00:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My GNU/Linux » The real value of FOSS to business A personal example .::. Size~: 16.47 KB | Feb 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | "The bottom line is that FLOSS is not about cheap software. It’s about control. If you have the source code then you are in control of the situation, although good support from the vendor is always welcomed. Cheap price comes with the openest/freedom, since you are not restricted to pay support to a particular vendor if you are not happy with him." | Feb 02 00:08 |
| schestowitz | From the weekend ^^^^ | Feb 02 00:08 |
| oiaohm | Even IE growth to browser domination was the same. | Feb 02 00:08 |
| oiaohm | ie slow slow 50 percent boom there goes the market. | Feb 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1589421/us-hackers-feared-net | Feb 02 00:09 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft was just an aberration | Feb 02 00:09 |
| cubezzz | things are returning to original hacker era status | Feb 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Google Youtube HTML 5 videos look like shit | Feb 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | grainy and blocky | Feb 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Siemens cuts staff http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1589756/siemens-cuts-staff | Feb 02 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | the frame rate seems better than Flash | Feb 02 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Better than Flash | Feb 02 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Just the fact you don't need the plugin | Feb 02 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I needed to install it manually in the past, just because of YouTube | Feb 02 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I watch YouTube about 60 hours/month | Feb 02 00:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/01/steve-jobs-on-google-an-evil-antagonist | Feb 02 00:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Steve Jobs On Google: An Evil Antagonist? | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.98 KB | Feb 02 00:14 |
| cubezzz | I just use the python script for youtube | Feb 02 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Doctor, heal thyself | Feb 02 00:14 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I download to convert to ogg if put in BN | Feb 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Jobs calls others "evil"? | Feb 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/01/youtube-launches-its-univision-channel | Feb 02 00:15 |
| cubezzz | he does like to lose market share :) | Feb 02 00:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube Launches its Univision Channel | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.2 KB | Feb 02 00:15 |
| cubezzz | doesn't | Feb 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Like Bill Gates and his Jihad | Feb 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | And Bush vs the "Evil-doers" | Feb 02 00:15 |
| schestowitz | On the journey back here I read this political book a publisher once sent me... Bush bashing | Feb 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | O'Reilly threatened to kill a guy who said he was a liar (which he is) | Feb 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The ORLY create does not belong in TV | Feb 02 00:16 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: well, he lost market share w/ iTampon | Feb 02 00:17 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Feb 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I mean, mindhare | Feb 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I heard friends who thought it was a joke | Feb 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | And they said it would crush Apple | Feb 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I actually told they it would not | Feb 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause Apple had other iJunk before and it survived | Feb 02 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft had Vista...... | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | And LonHorn. | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | *Longhorn | Feb 02 00:18 |
| cubezzz | don't get gored by Longhorn! ;-) | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Vista was a last-minute attempt to resxucre something out of Longhorn | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Bar WinFS, bar mutiple desktops, etc. | Feb 02 00:18 |
| cubezzz | even Allchin thought it was crap | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | And it was too buggy, without those key features | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | A buggy heavy version of XP | Feb 02 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is a ni-tuck job | Feb 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | *cip-tuck | Feb 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | *nip-tuck | Feb 02 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/701/71494487.png | Feb 02 00:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 02 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | look at how grainy this is | Feb 02 00:19 |
| *DaemonFC pukes | Feb 02 00:19 | |
| DaemonFC | looks like a JPEG of a JPEG | Feb 02 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe their codecs are c*, DaemonFC | Feb 02 00:19 |
| cubezzz | is that a doze pic I see? :) | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe they put a lousy file in there | Feb 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | yup | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Is it Chrome? | Feb 02 00:20 |
| cubezzz | I detect the evil presense of dozzzzze | Feb 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No, all of them have these blocks | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, this does not support FF | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | They 'blocked' it | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | To advance Chrome, some would sa | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | *say | Feb 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | h.264 + AAC | Feb 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's like Flash without Flash :P | Feb 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but IIRC, FF would not work with their html5 thingie, yet | Feb 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | has all the problems of Flash and now Firefox has to pay for MPEG directly | Feb 02 00:21 |
| schestowitz | I didn't try (only once), but I read it would not work | Feb 02 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | or get shut out | Feb 02 00:21 |
| schestowitz | They also had the WebGL trials | Feb 02 00:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe they'll do ogg | Feb 02 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Also, FF/Linux users get their codecs in other ways already | Feb 02 00:22 |
| schestowitz | They just need to link firefox with mplayer or something | Feb 02 00:22 |
| *DaemonFC pulls out the karaoke machine | Feb 02 00:22 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 00:22 |
| MinceR | maybe they re-encoded sorenson into h.264? | Feb 02 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they try to make html5 look bad :-p | Feb 02 00:23 |
| MinceR | is there an html5/<video> video sharing site with ogg theora/vorbis support? | Feb 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Dailymotion has a demo page | Feb 02 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | they'll be using Ogg when they roll their html5 out | Feb 02 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | We should push for people to use Dailymotion when that happens, in preference to Youtube | Feb 02 00:24 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 02 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | the quality of their demo page w/ Ogg is impressive | Feb 02 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | if the final results are anything close to that, we're in for a treat | Feb 02 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | they have trailer for The Matrix as a demo | Feb 02 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | looks like you're watching a DVD | Feb 02 00:25 |
| MinceR | where's the demo page? | Feb 02 00:25 |
| *DaemonFC goes to find it | Feb 02 00:25 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo | Feb 02 00:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dailymotion - Online Videos, Music, and Movies. Watch a Video Today! .::. Size~: 18.6 KB | Feb 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Espanol | Feb 02 00:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Espanol - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 11.2 KB | Feb 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | We'll have an 8th language soon | Feb 02 00:26 |
| MinceR | thx | Feb 02 00:26 |
| MinceR | firefox says it isn't well-formed though :> | Feb 02 00:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: can you do Hungarian for us, pls? | Feb 02 00:26 |
| MinceR | maybe it needs more sites enabled in noscript | Feb 02 00:27 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i could | Feb 02 00:27 |
| schestowitz | thanks! | Feb 02 00:27 |
| MinceR | even with everything enabled in noscript, it still says it's not well-formed | Feb 02 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Baszd Aha! | Feb 02 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Was it close? | Feb 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 00:28 |
| MinceR | i hope it will work better in the final version | Feb 02 00:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: not even close | Feb 02 00:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: was that "fuck yeah!"? | Feb 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's Google | Feb 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Feb 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 02 00:28 |
| MinceR | it's sort of a word-by-word translation | Feb 02 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | close enough? | Feb 02 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I've opened a page. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Magyar&action=edit&redlink=1 | Feb 02 00:28 |
| MinceR | not really | Feb 02 00:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Magyar - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 9.24 KB | Feb 02 00:28 |
| MinceR | i'd translate "fuck yeah!" as "igen, baszd meg!" or something like that | Feb 02 00:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 02 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | lets see what Google says | Feb 02 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, goddamn it! | Feb 02 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | worksforme | Feb 02 00:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 02 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | Google is a lot better with Spanish<>English | Feb 02 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | Сразу ебать себя | Feb 02 00:30 |
| MinceR | not surprising | Feb 02 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | even gets that pretty well | Feb 02 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | "Things Russian Dick Cheney would say" for $500 | Feb 02 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I know most of the profanities in Spanish through various sources including an ex (sue me) | Feb 02 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | didn't need a translation for that | Feb 02 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | never get involved with someone that's bilingual when you aren't | Feb 02 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | they think they're a code talker or something | Feb 02 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | they know this bothers you | Feb 02 00:34 |
| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/31/1327238/Obama-Budget-To-Triple-Nuclear-Power-Loan-Guarantees | Feb 02 00:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Obama Budget To Triple Nuclear Power Loan Guarantees .::. Size~: 183.73 KB | Feb 02 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did someone say Nucular? | Feb 02 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 00:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: when you do a translation you can mail it to me or paste it in #boycottnovell-social | Feb 02 00:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: did Bush understand what nucular is? | Feb 02 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I always wonder what presidents know about it.. like Truman | Feb 02 00:35 |
| schestowitz | They are usually lawyers | Feb 02 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Einstein wrote to the president advocating building the bomb | Feb 02 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Whatever their advisers tell them, but that's like most things | Feb 02 00:36 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people don't know this because he regretted it later | Feb 02 00:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "it's like... like a huge explosion" | Feb 02 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | politicians aren't really qualified to handle these things, but they sign the checks | Feb 02 00:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "in the form of a mushroom cloud" | Feb 02 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Nuclear lobby for energy was successful | Feb 02 00:37 |
| schestowitz | They hid all the dangers under the table | Feb 02 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: A good chunk of our nuclear power comes from scrapped Russian warheads | Feb 02 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 00:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i'll keep that in mind | Feb 02 00:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: _yours_? | Feb 02 00:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks! | Feb 02 00:37 |
| MinceR | np | Feb 02 00:37 |
| schestowitz | It's linked to from the front page | Feb 02 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, think it was like 15% of it or something | Feb 02 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's already enriched, why waste it? | Feb 02 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Targets readers from Hungary... just a short intro with points to bear in mind | Feb 02 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 00:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good. Hopefully they finish it all | Feb 02 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here's one | Feb 02 00:38 |
| schestowitz | I read it this evening | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the exact quote | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Bush says: "British intelligence saw Iraq looking for Uranium in Africa" (not exact quote | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | It's false | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Then RIce defends Bush | Feb 02 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I'm hoping the Senate doesn't stall that arms reduction treaty | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | "what the president said was not a lie..." | Feb 02 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | it would mean 1400 warheads for electricity instead of threatening the world | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | "British intelligence did say that..." | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 02 00:39 |
| schestowitz | He didn't lie | Feb 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | He said what he said she said........ | Feb 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | And... | Feb 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | They probably murdered weapons expert Dr. Kelly | Feb 02 00:40 |
| schestowitz | We'll find out in 2080 if we don't blow up civilisation first | Feb 02 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | if cooler heards prevail, maybe there won't be nuclear weapons by then, or at least not tens of thousands of them | Feb 02 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | *heads | Feb 02 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, how many do you need anyway? | Feb 02 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | really | Feb 02 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | there's only so much planet to blow up | Feb 02 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Nice to know that weapons build to shatter life are not used to run people's computers and make hot showers.. | Feb 02 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think it would have stopped with a couple thousand | Feb 02 00:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, nuclear winter and greenhouse | Feb 02 00:42 |
| schestowitz | That wipes out populations of animals for years | Feb 02 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Then leukaemia and other cancers comes | Feb 02 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Birth deformities | Feb 02 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | the 1960s through 1980s was all about not just how many people could you kill but how deep a crater you could make in addition to wiping out all life on Earth | Feb 02 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | it was beyond insane | Feb 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | You can shrink the world's population by 90% | Feb 02 00:43 |
| tessier | <schestowitz> Nice to know that weapons build to shatter life are not used to run people's computers and make hot showers.. | Feb 02 00:43 |
| tessier | Did you intend for that not to be there? | Feb 02 00:43 |
| *tessier is confused | Feb 02 00:43 | |
| DaemonFC | then you got the arms reduction treaties and we're down to a fraction of the warheads now | Feb 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | */not/now/ | Feb 02 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | but still a terrifying and unnecessary number | Feb 02 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Typo, tessier | Feb 02 00:44 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Ah, ok. | Feb 02 00:44 |
| tessier | schestowitz: In which case I heartily agree! | Feb 02 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | the less the better, the more we can scrap, the better | Feb 02 00:44 |
| tessier | I'm glad Obama mentioned more nuclear power in his State of the Union address and both parties applauded. | Feb 02 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see it get down to at least mere hundreds ;) | Feb 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | When these atoms were refined, people thought they would kill the "bad guys" | Feb 02 00:44 |
| tessier | I'm hoping we will finally get over our irrational fear of anything nuclear | Feb 02 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Now they give them over to the US to improve life | Feb 02 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Rather ironic | Feb 02 00:45 |
| tessier | There was a lot of misunderstanding in the early days of what nuclear weapons could do. | Feb 02 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: beats importing our energy from the middle east | Feb 02 00:45 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I love that the US can buy uranium etc from Russia to power reactors. | Feb 02 00:45 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Definitely | Feb 02 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | anything that can get our oil imports down is a good thing | Feb 02 00:45 |
| tessier | Although most of our oil comes from Mexico, Venezuela, and Alaska. | Feb 02 00:45 |
| tessier | But oil we buy from there is oil that doesn't go to UK etc. So either way the middle-east gets funded. | Feb 02 00:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier: until it runs out... then there are the sands up in Canada | Feb 02 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | still, it's money that's flowing out of the country | Feb 02 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | when it could be kept here | Feb 02 00:46 |
| tessier | schestowitz: For uranium etc? Yes. | Feb 02 00:46 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Yep | Feb 02 00:46 |
| tessier | I wish solar were more practical. But the tech is lagging where we really hoped it would be by now. | Feb 02 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | nuclear and wind are providing lots of jobs lately | Feb 02 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Venezuela still exports oil? | Feb 02 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's always nice, more jobs | Feb 02 00:46 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was not anymore | Feb 02 00:46 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Yes, big time. | Feb 02 00:46 |
| schestowitz | "Evil Chavez".... | Feb 02 00:47 |
| tessier | schestowitz: That's their main income. But the price of oil fell. And now they are hurting. | Feb 02 00:47 |
| tessier | He makes noise but he will always gladly sell oil. | Feb 02 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: The wind farms going up in Indiana alone are creating hundreds of jobs | Feb 02 00:47 |
| tessier | He needs the money. If the economy goes badly he is in big trouble. | Feb 02 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | It needs to continue | Feb 02 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | expedited even | Feb 02 00:47 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Nice. My family is in Indiana mostly. Where are the wind farms there? | Feb 02 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | there was a map I saw | Feb 02 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | mostly northern Indiana near Lake Michigan | Feb 02 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | some south of Indianapolis | Feb 02 00:48 |
| tessier | I never figured Indiana as having much wind but I guess up by the Great Lakes there is more. | Feb 02 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | they should install them near the Indiana Assembly | Feb 02 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | lots of hot air flowing from there | Feb 02 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | totally renewable | Feb 02 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | keep getting elected | Feb 02 00:49 |
| tessier | Only because the people of Indiana ensure it. | Feb 02 00:49 |
| tessier | Maybe if all those Hoosiers who complain would run for office that would change. | Feb 02 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | I keep writing letters even though I keep getting generic forms back | Feb 02 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have gotten a couple real replies | Feb 02 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | hand written and email even | Feb 02 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: The Republicans are probably fucked after 2010 | Feb 02 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | redistricting | Feb 02 00:51 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: Why is that? | Feb 02 00:51 |
| tessier | ah | Feb 02 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's a new districting system that's going to be used to un-gerrymander the congressional districts | Feb 02 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | the ones they wrote back in 2000 are an ungainly mess | Feb 02 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | could hardly be worse | Feb 02 00:52 |
| tessier | I have heard ads on the radio calling for volunteers for the redistricting committees etc. | Feb 02 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | The district I'm in spans partially down to Indianapolis in places | Feb 02 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | kind of snakes around | Feb 02 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | 80 miles long | Feb 02 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | wrapped around other districts | Feb 02 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | most are worse than this one | Feb 02 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | this one has been keeping Dan Burton in Congress for years | Feb 02 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | he wins every election with a minimum 75% of the vote | Feb 02 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's not because it was an honest election either | Feb 02 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Are you running for governor as you said yesterday? | Feb 02 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | the same system lets Andre Carson into the same Congressional delegation (black liberation theologist Muslim) | Feb 02 00:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Obama cancels Moon return project < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8489097.stm > Leaving it for China to occupy Space? | Feb 02 00:56 | |
| DaemonFC | kind of the polar opposite of Burton | Feb 02 00:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 94.69 KB | Feb 02 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mayor, and maybe | Feb 02 00:56 |
| tessier | I'm not sure how I feel about the cancellation of the moon project. | Feb 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | Doubt I'll win, but at least Steve Updike(R) won't win unopposed | Feb 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | it was a thought | Feb 02 00:57 |
| tessier | I really like the space program. | Feb 02 00:57 |
| tessier | If only we could be sure that saved money was going to a good cause instead of furthering the mess. | Feb 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | people hate him enough that I might win on protest votes | Feb 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 02 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | you never know | Feb 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | he's about as well liked as Gonorrhea | Feb 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd say I stand a chance | Feb 02 00:58 |
| schestowitz | tessier: see Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats? - Neil deGrasse Tyson < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk > | Feb 02 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My first act as mayor would be to fire a police detective that should have been fired last year for professional misconduct. | Feb 02 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | violation of the city's computer use policy, caught masturbating to porn in his office | Feb 02 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | in addition to poor work performance (I wonder why) | Feb 02 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | pay the salary to someone who is worth being paid, I say | Feb 02 01:01 |
| schestowitz | see http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/12 http://www.the-source.com/2010/01/the-innovative-people-of-novell/ that's the Novell I know. Novell is very problematic to GNU/Linux as a free (gratis and libre) platform and more people need to understand what goes on behind the posturing. I'm sure they are nice people with families and feelings, but the interests they serve are not compatible with the philosophy required for freedom to triumph. | Feb 02 01:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell - Software Patents = Success | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 8.16 KB | Feb 02 01:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Innovative People of Novell « The Source.com .::. Size~: 27.05 KB | Feb 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | second act, raise the assessment of Walmart's property for tax purposes | Feb 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | quite a lot | Feb 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | New page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/German | Feb 02 01:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: German - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 15.95 KB | Feb 02 01:02 |
| schestowitz | We're making a German section | Feb 02 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | third act, push the town council for a living wage ordinance that would increase the minimum wage for large employers | Feb 02 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | I would propose $8.75 per hour | Feb 02 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | an increase of $1.50 over federal | Feb 02 01:04 |
| tessier | DaemonFC: You know businesses would complain and some might go out of business over something like that right? | Feb 02 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: Walmart isn't going anywhere | Feb 02 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | other businesses that size already pay more | Feb 02 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's mainly a Walmart minimum wage law | Feb 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | you just can't call it that, get it? :D | Feb 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | it would raise the standard of living for hundreds of people | Feb 02 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | and bring back some revenue that otherwise goes to Arkansas | Feb 02 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | such money is likely to be spent in town and thus creates more tax revenue | Feb 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | which in turn would be used to balance the budget and invest in the community | Feb 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | see, I'm speaking like a politician already | Feb 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | I would also nullify minor marijuana possession laws by instructing the police to not press charges for misdemeanor possession | Feb 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | (less than 1 ounce) | Feb 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | that clears out a lot of people in our jail | Feb 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | which saves the town hundreds of thousands of dollars in a given year | Feb 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | I would also press to repeal the ordinance on "adult bookstores" | Feb 02 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | they're locating out of town and we are missing the opportunity to tax them | Feb 02 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | give me 4 years and I'll get the budget balanced and we'll pay off our debt with the surplus | Feb 02 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | all the bank loans, municipal bonds, everything | Feb 02 01:13 |
| schestowitz | http://blackberry.sys-con.com/node/1265693/print | Feb 02 01:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Print Story .::. Size~: 3.99 KB | Feb 02 01:16 |
| schestowitz | "The New Zealand Post is one of three government agencies looking to rip out their Windows desktops and replace them with Linux and open source applications." | Feb 02 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's another thing schestowitz | Feb 02 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | nullify the library and school contracts with Microsoft :) | Feb 02 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | declare them void as soon as I take office | Feb 02 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | instruct the city's IT department to prepare and implement migration to open source software within a 2 year timeframe | Feb 02 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | save taxpayer money | Feb 02 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | If they need to pay for licensing proprietary software, I need to know why | Feb 02 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | see, power! :D | Feb 02 01:20 |
| *DaemonFC kicks feet up | Feb 02 01:20 | |
| DaemonFC | those XP terminals at the library are such a pain in the ass, it's not even worth trying to get anything done on them | Feb 02 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | I've complained about them before, loudly | Feb 02 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | forced to use MSIE, no PDF viewer, no Flash | Feb 02 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | forced to use MS Office | Feb 02 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | Google Apps don't even work | Feb 02 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | library "loans" audio books in DRM WMA | Feb 02 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's a Microsoft hell, not a library | Feb 02 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wane.com/dpp/news/updike-huntington-state-of-the-city | Feb 02 01:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mayor Updike huntington state of the city address economic tough times .::. Size~: 30.3 KB | Feb 02 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | Current administration | Feb 02 01:26 |
| ziggyfish | time for lunch | Feb 02 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | "Mayor Updike says he will take the heat, but that he has no other options if people will not approve new taxes or fees to pay for public services." | Feb 02 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | Blame game. Blame the taxpayers, blame the city council, blame everything but himself. | Feb 02 01:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it makes life easier to get by | Feb 02 01:27 |
| schestowitz | One's self-serving excuses | Feb 02 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | people are calling for his impeachment | Feb 02 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | but nobody runs against him | Feb 02 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Impeachments need media support | Feb 02 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it's a 'niche' movement | Feb 02 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: In a town hall meeting, he called his opponents "little Taliban, pecking away at [him]" | Feb 02 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 01:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/334529/google_end_support_ie6?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Feb 02 01:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google to end support for IE6 - Google, internet explorer - Techworld .::. Size~: 47.39 KB | Feb 02 01:30 |
| *schestowitz signs in relief | Feb 02 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | *Sighs | Feb 02 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | and said to move away if you don't agree with him | Feb 02 01:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's the anti-Obama line | Feb 02 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's more and more empty houses he can't tax | Feb 02 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Taliban is the new "Hitler|Nazi" | Feb 02 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | there's not going to be a town if he's in office for a few more terms | Feb 02 01:31 |
| schestowitz | It's protected in speech | Feb 02 01:31 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how the criminal (convicted) who runs the Israeli govt compared Palestinians to Nazis | Feb 02 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | the local paper won't publish letters to the editor about him because his family owns most of it | Feb 02 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz | In some address re UK academic embargo he made a comparison between the bombing by the Germans to some amateurish rockets fired by dissidents | Feb 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz | The "Nazi" analogy is now being replaces | Feb 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz | By "taliban" | Feb 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Or bin laden | Feb 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz | There are fewer rules against it | Feb 02 01:32 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/04/smears-and-godwin-2-0/ | Feb 02 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | our mayor is an idiot, a total flipping moron | Feb 02 01:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Godwin 2.0 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.73 KB | Feb 02 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | and we're letting him chip away at the town without even opposing him in an election | Feb 02 01:33 |
| schestowitz | If they use comparison to Al Qaeda, they lose | Feb 02 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Like Godwin law | Feb 02 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.garylsnyder.com/my_weblog/2010/01/a-conflict-of-interest-x-123080.html | Feb 02 01:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HuntingtonPolitics.com: A conflict of interest x 123,080 .::. Size~: 50.2 KB | Feb 02 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | the chief of police funneling town business into his family concrete firm | Feb 02 01:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/334401/microsoft_revenue_boosted_by_windows_7?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 Bollox reporting | Feb 02 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | personally taking bribes for it from his family members | Feb 02 01:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft revenue boosted by Windows 7 - financial results, Microsoft, Windows 7 - Techworld .::. Size~: 47.84 KB | Feb 02 01:35 |
| schestowitz | It's like PR repeated | Feb 02 01:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: like Mr. "Internet is a tube"? | Feb 02 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Novell was also involved in some bribes scandal | Feb 02 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Around the winter games in Utah, iirc | Feb 02 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Olympics= corruption | Feb 02 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Well, sports in general | Feb 02 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Football too | Feb 02 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Money, clans, clashes between angry mobs | Feb 02 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Our mayor is real big on buying Microsoft everything | Feb 02 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | if it has Microsoft software on it, he authorizes it | Feb 02 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Here we have Hooligans/skinheads going out there cheering for Man Utd. like it's their wife | Feb 02 01:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I wrote about it | Feb 02 01:36 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/22/illinois-virginia-indiana-dumping/ | Feb 02 01:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Brings American EDGI to Illinois, Virginia, and Indiana | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 119.57 KB | Feb 02 01:37 |
| schestowitz | See refs, DaemonFOX | Feb 02 01:37 |
| schestowitz | More here: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/29/anti-competitive-dumping-of-software/ | Feb 02 01:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts Anti-competitive Dumping of Software Faces Challenges in Africa and in Indiana | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.6 KB | Feb 02 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3211553/windows-7-business-sales-weak-but-uptick-expected/?olo=rss | Feb 02 01:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows 7 business sales weak, but uptick expected - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 125.08 KB | Feb 02 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Expected by who you ask? | Feb 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's CFO | Feb 02 01:41 |
| schestowitz | :-) :-) | Feb 02 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UDkKjMOwpk | Feb 02 01:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @CooperRepublic Soldier,who trained w/ Prince Harry, & a comrade wr killed in Afghanistan // ohnoes! it will radicalise the Royal Family | Feb 02 01:43 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: look left | Feb 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Timmy | Feb 02 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Working for Big Banks (former employer!!) | Feb 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | And guess who's staff chief? | Feb 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Emmanuel! | Feb 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street banker | Feb 02 01:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who's that lady who smiles so tactlessly? | Feb 02 01:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Obama moves his head from side to side? Does he have two tele--prompters? :-p | Feb 02 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2010/01/the-crying-game-how-disney-killed-miramax-now-with-weinstein-co-layoffs | Feb 02 01:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Crying Game: How Disney Killed Miramax, Now with Weinstein Co. Layoffs - Topix .::. Size~: 46.4 KB | Feb 02 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | I do like the examples he makes of wasteful government programs that get cut | Feb 02 01:47 |
| schestowitz | That doesn't affect me directly, so I closed the tab | Feb 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Bailout yes, space exploration no | Feb 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2010/01/comptia-commends-presidents-focus-on-jobs-the-economy | Feb 02 01:48 |
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| schestowitz | CompTIA... front group, certifier... | Feb 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | They are trouble. | Feb 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: http://rawstory.com/2010/02/paul-krugman-trashes-glenn-beck/ | Feb 02 01:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Paul Krugman to Fox News CEO: Deliberate misinformation | Raw Story .::. Size~: 38.15 KB | Feb 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | "In an interview Sunday, New York Times economist Paul Krugman hammered conservative talk show host Glenn Beck for spreading blatantly false information about the Democrats' health care bill -- and put the blame squarely on Fox News CEO Roger Ailes." | Feb 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/roger-ailes-defends-beck/ | Feb 02 01:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Roger Ailes defends Becks Stalin reference as accurate | Raw Story .::. Size~: 40.39 KB | Feb 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz | "News Corp. ends suit for $500 million" | Feb 02 01:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/02/people-shouldnt-have-to-choose-between-their-dignity-and-their-flight.html | Feb 02 01:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: People shouldn't have to choose between their dignity and their flight - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 45.22 KB | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | transport in London has scary amount of surveillance | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | One bus would have like 10 CCTV cameras! | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And they have Oyster | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | So they track where you board | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | ANd they know who /else/ is on the bus | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | They have footage of every angle | Feb 02 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And they can determine who you speak to on the bus, at one time, etc. | Feb 02 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Next thing you know they'll also plant microphones in there... maybe 20 of them :-) | Feb 02 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Nectar cards are another surveillance tool | Feb 02 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10445343-16.html | Feb 02 01:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows 7 sales deal Linux a winning hand | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 113.73 KB | Feb 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Even if I pay with cash they know exactly what foods I buy and add it to my electronic shopping trolley later | Feb 02 01:58 |
| *DaemonFC wonders how painful it is to use Privoxy on Linux | Feb 02 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC | I've never used it there | Feb 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Asay is a tool | Feb 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | And he's Jobs' tool | Feb 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't question Micrsoft's claims as he should | Feb 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | But I can't blame him, he's busy at work | Feb 02 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.sdtimes.com/link/34094 | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | It requires investigation to know the truth about Microsoft's PE | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | *PR | Feb 02 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | no more Ballnux coupons | Feb 02 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I saw that | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Ballnux is dead | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | 2 years and the deal expires too | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Then what? | Feb 02 02:00 |
| schestowitz | 23 months left | Feb 02 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, if Microsoft saw an advantage in keeping the vouchers around, they would have bought more before they ran out | Feb 02 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't, that bodes poorly for Novell's future | Feb 02 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | watch Novell stock tank when word starts going around | Feb 02 02:01 |
| schestowitz | DiDio....... | Feb 02 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 02 02:02 |
| schestowitz | I'll have fun with that one | Feb 02 02:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24694/ | Feb 02 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | Another gifted blogger? http://www.montanalinux.org/ipad-i-perceive-multiple-defects.html | Feb 02 02:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Opinion: Apple iPad - I Perceive Ample Defects | MontanaLinux.org .::. Size~: 32.93 KB | Feb 02 02:26 |
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| bill___ | Ballmer signs a Mac... just funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzklHZqkbE | Feb 02 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 02 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Old news, I think | Feb 02 02:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a grown up kid | Feb 02 02:30 |
| schestowitz | He still thinks he's a frat boy | Feb 02 02:31 |
| schestowitz | “I think he [Bill Gates] has a Napoleonic concept of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power and unalloyed success, with no leavening hard experience, no reverses [...] They don’t act like grown-ups!” -Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson | Feb 02 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk0OA | Feb 02 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC | Ext4 data loss pwns Phoronix | Feb 02 02:40 |
| schestowitz | aw well........ | Feb 02 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | remind me why people are not using XFS | Feb 02 02:41 |
| schestowitz | My backups are ext3 | Feb 02 02:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: http://www.prwatch.org/HumanWallpaper | Feb 02 02:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bob McDonnell, Human Wallpaper & the Stagecraft of the Response to the State of the Union | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 41.3 KB | Feb 02 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | it just nukes the entire file you had open, wooohoo | Feb 02 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | where have I heard this before? | Feb 02 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Can you recommend a good video? | Feb 02 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | concering what? | Feb 02 02:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: ex4 with t'so last year | Feb 02 02:42 |
| schestowitz | *Ext4 | Feb 02 02:42 |
| schestowitz | I've used ext4 for 4 months almost - no problem | Feb 02 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | Of course Ext4 developers aren't scared of it, some of them wrote XFS | Feb 02 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | they'll tel lyou to buy a UPS | Feb 02 02:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/30/firefox_interprotocol_attack/ | Feb 02 02:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Firefox-based attack wreaks havoc on IRC users • The Register .::. Size~: 21.79 KB | Feb 02 02:43 |
| schestowitz | seems this channel was attacked recently along with freenode | Feb 02 02:43 |
| schestowitz | xfs is mostly ibm, iirc | Feb 02 02:44 |
| schestowitz | tso moved from ibm to goog | Feb 02 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | SGI | Feb 02 02:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Feb 02 02:44 |
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| DaemonFC | there's still a lot of regular patches for XFS coming in | Feb 02 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | SGI is even still working on some of them | Feb 02 02:45 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS | Feb 02 02:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: XFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 50.34 KB | Feb 02 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Ext4 is basically Ext3 with some of XFS's features tacked on after the fact | Feb 02 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | and all three are obsolete :) | Feb 02 02:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/01/moob_jobs/ | Feb 02 02:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UK moob jobs rocket 80 per cent • The Register .::. Size~: 21.52 KB | Feb 02 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | meant to provide some kind of easy upgrade for ext3 users, but it'll leave your file system heavily fragmented | Feb 02 02:47 |
| schestowitz | btrfs and zfs.... | Feb 02 02:47 |
| schestowitz | What will orcl do with zfs? | Feb 02 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | of course none of this would be a problem if you could defrag your ext4 volume after the conversion | Feb 02 02:47 |
| schestowitz | it has Chris Mason working on btrfs | Feb 02 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, specifically zfs, since btrfs is still immature :) | Feb 02 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | ZFS is here to stay. it's 6 years old in production now. | Feb 02 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | XFS has a defrag utility in xfs utilities | Feb 02 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | xfs_fsr (file system reorganizer) | Feb 02 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oracle will most likely keep both, imho. | Feb 02 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Hehe: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/02/01/sky_3d_football/ | Feb 02 02:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sky 3D soccer fails to score • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.63 KB | Feb 02 02:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: what for? | Feb 02 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ZFS is one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful market differentiator for SOlaris. | Feb 02 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | it just goes down the top 10 most heavily fragged files on the partition until it runs out of time (you assign it in seconds) or it makes 10 passes | Feb 02 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's fairly simple | Feb 02 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're familiar with HFS+' on-the-fly defragmentation? | Feb 02 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | no | Feb 02 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | isn't HFS+ Apple? | Feb 02 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. it has done on the fly defrag for about 10 yrs now | Feb 02 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard lots of not nice things about it then | Feb 02 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Feb 02 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i've used it for 20 years, it's extremely fast and mature | Feb 02 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it's also obsoleted by ZFS :) | Feb 02 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | it seems the only way to be safe on Linux is to fallback to ext3 | Feb 02 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | as are *all* write in place filesystems. | Feb 02 02:50 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there is no way to be safe on linux, strictly speaking. | Feb 02 02:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/01/white_house_2011_budget_nasa_constellation/ | Feb 02 02:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Obama scraps Constellation moon mission • The Register .::. Size~: 26.88 KB | Feb 02 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, any file system can be corrupted, but the delayed allocation doesn't really make you very safe from data loss either | Feb 02 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | if the system goes down before it commits the queued writes | Feb 02 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: on linux I use reiser3. also mature. | Feb 02 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no write in place filesystem has an answer for that. | Feb 02 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nor does RAID | Feb 02 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | the reason ext4 is so much slower than it was is because they're committing their writes much mroe often now | Feb 02 02:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/29/woman_sues_metra_exploding_toilet/ | Feb 02 02:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Woman sues rail line for 'exploding' toilet • The Register .::. Size~: 21.66 KB | Feb 02 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | that just really minimizes the data you lose | Feb 02 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | does not solve the problem | Feb 02 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Feb 02 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | "sort of" | Feb 02 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can still experience arbitrary corruption | Feb 02 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | meh, if you're worried about what could happen if the system loses power, buy a UPS or stay with ext3 | Feb 02 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: look at some copy-on-write filesystems. e.g. NILFS2, in the linux world | Feb 02 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt most users will experience lots of data loss with Ext4, but when it happens it can be ugly | Feb 02 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: fundamentally different from write-in-place. | Feb 02 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd really rather use XFS if it comes down to it because it has the same risks as Ext4 but it's faster in most ways | Feb 02 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Feb 02 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 is just "more official" | Feb 02 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | i give up. there is more to filesystems than these set of ancient designs... | Feb 02 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | did you notice NILFS2 integrated in 2.6.31? | Feb 02 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: No I didn't | Feb 02 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: worth checking out, as it is fundamentally different from all the others you have been talking about | Feb 02 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm kind of hoping that Oracle GPL's ZFS | Feb 02 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | or dual licenses it or something | Feb 02 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it is time to move away from 30 year old filesystem designs | Feb 02 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | they probably won't | Feb 02 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well even so, you'll get COW in the form of NILFS2 and btrfs | Feb 02 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but why not just try OpenSolaris anyway? | Feb 02 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it would certainly be educational. | Feb 02 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | I tried btrfs but it was on Pre- Fedora 10 Rawhide | Feb 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | they had *just* added it | Feb 02 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can play with zones, for instance. | Feb 02 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | mature virtualisation | Feb 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | horribly slow at that point | Feb 02 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Geez. This is an ugly robot: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/01/sex.robot/index.html | Feb 02 02:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Inventor unveils $7,000 talking sex robot - CNN.com .::. Size~: 49.35 KB | Feb 02 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: geeks will do anything to avoid talking to women, eh | Feb 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, several times slower than using Ext4, but I'm not judging it cause it was like a 0.1 release | Feb 02 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | the basics worked | Feb 02 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you want to try something new, why not try OpenSolaris and ZFS? | Feb 02 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've used ZFS, on FreeBSD | Feb 02 02:58 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: well, they can program her to read Linux code | Feb 02 02:58 |
| schestowitz | hello dot h........... | Feb 02 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I use ZFS on my laptop | Feb 02 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I might just suggest that people skip ext4 | Feb 02 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | btrfs will convert an in-place ext3 partition | Feb 02 03:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | ZFS on your laptop? with what redundancy? | Feb 02 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | whatever settings are the default, I haven't really bothered myself to play with it | Feb 02 03:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, there are 2 ways, ideally redundancy is an extra device | Feb 02 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | but you can ask it to duplicate data one one device, redundantly | Feb 02 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | won't help you if the whole drive goes, though | Feb 02 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't see zfs as very useful on laptops | Feb 02 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | until they ship with >1 drive :) | Feb 02 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i've always believed that all systems should ship with at least 2 drives. | Feb 02 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | especially to naive consumers | Feb 02 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | 95% of whom don't know that hard drives wear out. | Feb 02 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I have some hard disks that date back to 1990 that still work | Feb 02 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | they only have a few hundred MB though :) | Feb 02 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i've got dozens | Feb 02 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | but ones you use every day wear out :) | Feb 02 03:05 |
| *FurnaceBoy stockpiles 50 pin scsi among other things | Feb 02 03:06 | |
| cubezzz | I got one 10 years old that still works | Feb 02 03:08 |
| cubezzz | runs 24/7 | Feb 02 03:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingAtheist funny video in channel page | Feb 02 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/14/amazon_book_delisting/ | Feb 02 03:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Conspiracy theories aplenty as Amazon delists gay books • The Register .::. Size~: 23.02 KB | Feb 02 03:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: from today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IYC2RKETKo | Feb 02 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | the same guy that hit Freenode is a homophobe that attacked Amazon and delisted all non-critical books about homosexuality | Feb 02 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Wasn't it the dept of education or something that was appalled by CBS showing a story of a boy with two moms? | Feb 02 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | doubt it | Feb 02 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Saying they should withdraw the fund for miseducating children? | Feb 02 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | probably some Christian women's group or something | Feb 02 03:14 |
| schestowitz | I read a book about the neocons easrlier | Feb 02 03:14 |
| schestowitz | This was in it | Feb 02 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | they've always got too much time on their hands | Feb 02 03:14 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, watch the videos above. They're new and funny | Feb 02 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | makes me wonder why they aren't in the kitchen or making more babies | Feb 02 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | AMAZING ATHEIST ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!1111 | Feb 02 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I love that guy :D | Feb 02 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | "personally, I just wanted an excuse to wear a dress" | Feb 02 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Feb 02 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Last week's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyjiSMton5A | Feb 02 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I am immune from the man trap | Feb 02 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: So. You. Think. | Feb 02 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | no, women are manipulative, cruel and evil | Feb 02 03:26 |
| cubezzz | people in general are cruel | Feb 02 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | They have bozo rays that they beam into the normal male brain | Feb 02 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes, and? :) | Feb 02 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you say that like it's a bad thing | Feb 02 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: did yuo ever see Futurama movie, "Beast with a Billion Backs" ? | Feb 02 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | men lack the capacity to operate on that level | Feb 02 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | we're just not built like that | Feb 02 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. He's making some good videos... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHdwqTjrqfE | Feb 02 03:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm just catching up..... | Feb 02 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | whozat? | Feb 02 03:36 |
| *FurnaceBoy finds it hard to find time to watch vidyos | Feb 02 03:36 | |
| DaemonFC | men don't have any capacity to be anything other than a full time wage slave to subsidize a wife and kids they probably never really wanted | Feb 02 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't know why this is | Feb 02 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | if they made a law that said you had to name your kids after how they were conceived, the top baby names would be "Broken Condom" and "She Was On The Pill Right?" | Feb 02 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 03:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm :) | Feb 02 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | nobody wants to believe they're that stupid | Feb 02 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | and by the time you do it, it's too late to run | Feb 02 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: abstinence is obviously the answer1 | Feb 02 03:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: let's sell this idea to the africans! | Feb 02 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Gates Foundation pushes Christian Taliban sex policy | Feb 02 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | ooh we're almost on topic now | Feb 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | Pat Robertson: Worst Person Ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4w2N5_jOU | Feb 02 03:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ggreenwald just called Lieberman the most repulsive person in US politics | Feb 02 03:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in tweet, did you see? | Feb 02 03:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | and i don't think he meant his ugly face | Feb 02 03:49 |
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| DaemonFC | Oooooooold hair band, off to Napster Lawsuit Land!!!! yeeeeah!!!!! | Feb 02 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 04:14 |
| *DaemonFC listening to Metallica | Feb 02 04:14 | |
| DaemonFC | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4968&cid=1132747 | Feb 02 04:16 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 04:16 |
| cubezzz | "I guarantee you by the end of 1982 there is going to be a judgment on the world." | Feb 02 04:16 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 02 04:16 |
| cubezzz | I must have missed it | Feb 02 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: The world ended 2 years before I was born | Feb 02 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | I must have missed the memo | Feb 02 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | of course the other possibility is that *I* am God's judgement on the world | Feb 02 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | fear mah wrath!!!!!! raaaaaaawr!!!!! | Feb 02 04:18 |
| cubezzz | I remember 1982 | Feb 02 04:18 |
| cubezzz | it was ok | Feb 02 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | How OK could it be? Double digit inflation, double digit unemployment | Feb 02 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's just like now but with Ronald Reagan, right? | Feb 02 04:18 |
| cubezzz | but the "God's gonna destroy the world in 19XX" people were all wrong :) | Feb 02 04:18 |
| cubezzz | no | Feb 02 04:19 |
| cubezzz | I'd say now is a bit worse | Feb 02 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | Robertson probably figured that Reagan would provoke a nuclear war by 1982 | Feb 02 04:19 |
| cubezzz | 1984 was pretty bad though | Feb 02 04:20 |
| *DaemonFC kind of misses Napster | Feb 02 04:20 | |
| DaemonFC | fond memories | Feb 02 04:20 |
| cubezzz | not George Orwell bad, but very not good | Feb 02 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://computer.howstuffworks.com/napster.htm | Feb 02 04:21 |
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| *DaemonFC whacks cubezzz with a boxed set of Linspire | Feb 02 04:25 | |
| DaemonFC | 1984 was awesome :) | Feb 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://kevincarmony.com/linspire_videos/RunLinspire.swf | Feb 02 04:26 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I didn't see | Feb 02 04:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMdmxKUeqPQ | Feb 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | well, as long as any country out there is supporting Iran's government, it will stand | Feb 02 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | the killings will continue | Feb 02 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | the police state will go on | Feb 02 04:32 |
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| DaemonFC | the UK won't stand against the evil | Feb 02 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | neither will Canada | Feb 02 04:33 |
| JZA | hey people | Feb 02 04:33 |
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| DaemonFC | Russia loves it too | Feb 02 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | and don't even get me going about the PRC | Feb 02 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | the fact is that, I think, we're the only ones really sanctioning Iran | Feb 02 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | the "rest of the world" musters up a combines light slap on the wrist | Feb 02 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | cause they don't give a flying fuck either | Feb 02 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Iranian_seizure_of_Royal_Navy_personnel | Feb 02 04:36 |
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| DaemonFC | how that could happen and not start a war just shows what a laughing stock the UK makes of themselves | Feb 02 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | they basically let Iran win | Feb 02 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | and humiliate them internationally | Feb 02 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings | Feb 02 04:38 |
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| DaemonFC | and what was that all about? | Feb 02 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | you can't clean this stuff up by saying you arrested a couple of people when there's thousands more where that came from | Feb 02 04:39 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, JZA | Feb 02 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtU3vUOa2sw&feature=related | Feb 02 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBeLqrrQAkE&feature=PlayList&p=CA35ED92E3F30CA7&index=0&playnext=1 | Feb 02 04:53 |
| JZA | hey schestowitz | Feb 02 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Feb 02 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | seal the offices and search everything | Feb 02 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | they should do that with Congress | Feb 02 04:57 |
| JZA | I am drooling for an touch book | Feb 02 04:57 |
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| JZA | they have open hardware, different linux flavours including gentoo ubuntu and android and has teh 10hrs battery life tablet design | Feb 02 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | I have my Blackberry for a while, like it or not | Feb 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | I like it though | Feb 02 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://sg.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AO116_RUSPRO_NS_20081228191715.gif | Feb 02 05:07 |
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| DaemonFC | According to the Russians, I'll be a Canadian soon | Feb 02 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana will be part of a Canadian province | Feb 02 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | Kentucky will be part of the European Union though | Feb 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | and it's because of all the gays | Feb 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/trs.pdf | Feb 02 05:12 |
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| DaemonFC | lets see what "waste" they are cutting | Feb 02 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | this should be good | Feb 02 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's a lot of pork, but it probably isn't even 1% of the money they're wasting | Feb 02 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of it is probably stuff scheduled to have funding end anyway that they're counting as a terminated wasteful program :) | Feb 02 05:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zealand Post Makes the Next Step (After Google) and Tries Desktop #GNU #Linux http://blackberry.sys-con.com/node/1265693/print | Feb 02 05:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Department of Veterans Affairs is licensing Oracle Enterprise Linux | Feb 02 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | on page 5 | Feb 02 05:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Germany Moves Rapidly to #FreeSoftware and #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/l9mm http://ur1.ca/l98h | Feb 02 05:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Shown for Ease of Use http://ur1.ca/l9mx http://ur1.ca/l9my http://ur1.ca/l9mz | Feb 02 05:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.33 Reaches 6th RC, Other Kernel Space Additions http://ur1.ca/l9na http://ur1.ca/l9nb | Feb 02 05:30 | |
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| JZA | I am off | Feb 02 05:34 |
| JZA | peace | Feb 02 05:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Haha, #Windows 7 nagging will be self-defeating. Please don't tell them. https://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/01/1933219 | Feb 02 05:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ wilw weird that I can Google "when you dressed up sharp" & I'mFeelingLucky my way to my own blog //this kind of thing earns you probation | Feb 02 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | the RC time bombs | Feb 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | it said that on the download page | Feb 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | that was last summer | Feb 02 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | and nobody using a testing version of any OS is advised to use their main system | Feb 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | you'd get laughed at if you lose all your data using Fedora Rawhide | Feb 02 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | you're more than welcome to be stupid and use it though | Feb 02 06:09 |
| schestowitz | Naaa.. | Feb 02 06:16 |
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| ender2070_ | page 5 | Feb 02 06:24 |
| schestowitz | what's in it? | Feb 02 06:25 |
| MarcusKoze | whats with fedora ? | Feb 02 06:27 |
| MarcusKoze | problems ? | Feb 02 06:27 |
| schestowitz | gn | Feb 02 06:27 |
| ender2070_ | "Participating in a UN-advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy-fixated groups and individuals in our society such as the National Rifle Association, citizen militias and some members of Congress. This segment of our society who fear 'one-world government' and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any | Feb 02 06:27 |
| ender2070_ | elected official who joined 'the conspiracy' by undertaking LA21. So, we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management, or smart growth" | Feb 02 06:27 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: i was thinking on a redesing and re-organization of the site, care to discuss it ? | Feb 02 06:28 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean the idea of talking about it, in a few minutes i'm on a test i must take for a job interview | Feb 02 06:29 |
| MarcusKoze | we could arrange a meeting at some hour to talk bout it if you wish | Feb 02 06:30 |
| ender2070_ | http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html | Feb 02 06:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Finally!! #ArchLinux installed successfully! Now installing #GNOME! xD Arabic language support in #XFCE is still as pathetic as ever.. :( | Feb 02 07:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Finally!! #ArchLinux installed successfully! Now installing #GNOME 'coz #Arabic language support in #XFCE is still as pathetic as ever. :-( | Feb 02 07:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Finally!! #ArchLinux installed successfully! Now installing #GNOME 'coz Arabic language support in #XFCE is still as pathetic as ever. :-( | Feb 02 07:44 | |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 02 07:44 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze, ping | Feb 02 07:45 |
| MarcusKoze | ping :) | Feb 02 07:48 |
| MarcusKoze | and pong | Feb 02 07:48 |
| MarcusKoze | hi there, was preparing some more coffee | Feb 02 07:48 |
| MarcusKoze | how did you do with Arch ? | Feb 02 07:49 |
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| Omar87 | MarcusKoze, it wasn't as hard as I thought it is. :P | Feb 02 08:19 |
| Omar87 | It's pretty easy actually.. | Feb 02 08:19 |
| MarcusKoze | doesnt it come with a DE already ? | Feb 02 08:20 |
| MarcusKoze | you said there you needed to install gnome over it | Feb 02 08:20 |
| Omar87 | MarcusKoze, nope. | Feb 02 08:20 |
| MarcusKoze | aw, instead of xfce, nevermind that | Feb 02 08:20 |
| MarcusKoze | uhm, is it lighter / better optimised for resource usage than some others ? | Feb 02 08:21 |
| MarcusKoze | like ubuntu :) ? | Feb 02 08:21 |
| Omar87 | Arch Linux is lightweight distro can comes in a basic shape so that you can configure it yourself. | Feb 02 08:21 |
| MarcusKoze | i'll try fedora 12 next and arch after that | Feb 02 08:22 |
| Omar87 | It seems very good at that, yeah. | Feb 02 08:22 |
| MarcusKoze | goody, i'll need that | Feb 02 08:22 |
| MarcusKoze | this laptop doesnt have too much power, although not that sloppy either | Feb 02 08:22 |
| MarcusKoze | but with shared ram for video card or something | Feb 02 08:23 |
| MarcusKoze | i only see 800+ megs of ram, dont know what happened to the rest to 1 giga | Feb 02 08:23 |
| Omar87 | I see. | Feb 02 08:24 |
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| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: her | Feb 02 10:21 |
| MarcusKoze | who her ? | Feb 02 10:21 |
| schestowitz | tpyo | Feb 02 10:21 |
| MarcusKoze | aw here | Feb 02 10:21 |
| MarcusKoze | ? | Feb 02 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Just got up, can't type "hey" | Feb 02 10:21 |
| MarcusKoze | :-? | Feb 02 10:21 |
| MarcusKoze | aw :) | Feb 02 10:22 |
| MarcusKoze | k | Feb 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Hold on, let me just file some news... | Feb 02 10:22 |
| MarcusKoze | yup | Feb 02 10:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.4 Just One Step Away from Final Release http://ur1.ca/lai1 http://ur1.ca/lai2 http://ur1.ca/lai3 | Feb 02 10:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Short Review of #Pardus 2009.1 http://linuxbsdos.com/2010/02/01/pardus-2009-1-review/ #gnu #linux | Feb 02 10:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Gets Lots of Love and New Release of Lenny http://ur1.ca/laij http://ur1.ca/laik http://ur1.ca/lail | Feb 02 10:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu Developer Week, Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit http://ur1.ca/lajj http://ur1.ca/lajk | Feb 02 10:42 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-bots-perform-denial-of-service-on-Perl-Testers-906094.html | Feb 02 10:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Magazine and Newsletter http://ur1.ca/lajo http://ur1.ca/l7bv | Feb 02 10:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Linux Applications Running on #Android http://www.techworld.com.au/slideshow/334558/_android_apps_developers_it_pros_glance_/ | Feb 02 10:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #Nokia 's Latest #Linux Phone, Dream Phone http://ur1.ca/lak9 http://ur1.ca/laka http://ur1.ca/lakb | Feb 02 10:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman in New College Magazine http://www.svnit.edu.in/renesa/sites/default/files/RENESA_JANUARY_eCOPY.pdf [PDF] | Feb 02 10:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware for #Moon Mission (Now That NASA's Programme is Canned) http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/02/open-source-moon-mission.html | Feb 02 11:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 5 Reasons to Love #Mozilla #Firefox , New Release http://ur1.ca/lale http://ur1.ca/lalf | Feb 02 11:03 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_66 sad but true at times | Feb 02 11:15 |
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| *amarsh04 finally had kernel modesetting and (without losing hardware acceleration) working with a radeon 9200se | Feb 02 11:23 | |
| amarsh04 | new libdrm, recompile mesa and xf86-ati-radeon, recompile kernel with kernel modesetting on by default | Feb 02 11:24 |
| amarsh04 | Free Software Magazine should license someone to sell Debian dogs | Feb 02 11:25 |
| oiaohm | Things are slowly dropping into place amarsh04 | Feb 02 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Ok what Debian dogs ? as well amarsh04 | Feb 02 11:28 |
| amarsh04 | yes, mesa is nearly 3 million lines of code and takes longer to compile than a stock Debian kernel | Feb 02 11:28 |
| oiaohm | And it will get bigger yet. | Feb 02 11:29 |
| amarsh04 | as in the cartoon The Bizarre Cathedral ... my stepdaughters were in a choir that had a similar logo to the Debian Swirl and they were given little teddy bears with the choir logos on the teddy bear's t-shirt | Feb 02 11:30 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking robot dogs for a second there are a few debian powered ones. amarsh04 | Feb 02 11:31 |
| MarcusKoze | hey, does "debian" have some actual meaning, or is it just some brand name ? | Feb 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: what's up? | Feb 02 11:31 |
| oiaohm | debian. debra and ian. | Feb 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I just caught up | Feb 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how the site can be redone | Feb 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it.. | Feb 02 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes the founder and his wife MarcusKoze. And the wife is first. | Feb 02 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Ex wife | Feb 02 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | i dont know if the wiki is proper for the homepage | Feb 02 11:32 |
| schestowitz | I think it is | Feb 02 11:32 |
| schestowitz | We added it because people did not get infi | Feb 02 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Newcomers went there and just saw many posts | Feb 02 11:32 |
| schestowitz | They could not understand what was wrong with the Novell deal, which is our focus | Feb 02 11:32 |
| schestowitz | This is why we also needed translations | Feb 02 11:32 |
| MarcusKoze | there could be some custom page (php script i guess) to retrieve info from latest article from the blog, links to pages, indexes, etc | Feb 02 11:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR is gonna go HUngarian soon :-) | Feb 02 11:33 |
| MarcusKoze | and to the wiki | Feb 02 11:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure he's working on it as we speak :-p | Feb 02 11:33 |
| MarcusKoze | and there you could put all info in a nice manner | Feb 02 11:33 |
| MarcusKoze | ah i'll be off a minute, be right back | Feb 02 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Lot of distributions names mean something is just knowing what. MarcusKoze | Feb 02 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Some are just plan warped Like fedora. Since the company logo ie redhat was a fedora type hat red the grey non redhat one just got called the hat. | Feb 02 11:38 |
| MarcusKoze | oiaohm: yes well i don't know the meanings toher than ubuntu :) | Feb 02 11:38 |
| oiaohm | RIP is a fun distribution. | Feb 02 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Some time when I want a laugh I should do a pack of funny distribution names and there history. | Feb 02 11:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no release of RIP in a while | Feb 02 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Its dev (Robotti or something,.. Italian name) used to make monthly releases | Feb 02 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I think he'san academic | Feb 02 11:41 |
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| oiaohm | There has not been a need recently schestowitz. It still works. | Feb 02 11:43 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: are you in web dev ? | Feb 02 11:44 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck90.html | Feb 02 11:44 |
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| MarcusKoze | astea ultimele 2 le aveam deja | Feb 02 12:16 |
| MarcusKoze | sunt 34 de poze | Feb 02 12:17 |
| MarcusKoze | tu cate ai acolo ? | Feb 02 12:17 |
| MarcusKoze | oops sorry :) | Feb 02 12:21 |
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| Eruaran | Hello | Feb 02 12:30 |
| amarsh04 | hi Eruaran | Feb 02 12:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I'm quoting you re the audits | Feb 02 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | I'm working on a post to reval the failure of Vista 7 | Feb 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz | The evidence is all there | Feb 02 12:31 |
| schestowitz | I think V7 may turns out like Vista after a year, when PR wears off | Feb 02 12:31 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft forces purchases of W7Pro for businesses that want to continue using XPPro | Feb 02 12:32 |
| Eruaran | So they can claim business is 'embracing' V7 | Feb 02 12:32 |
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| CocoPuff | Hi all | Feb 02 12:33 |
| Eruaran | hi | Feb 02 12:34 |
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| Tallken | schestowitz, why do you say that? | Feb 02 12:41 |
| Tallken | schestowitz, in terms of consumer perception, 7 is good | Feb 02 12:42 |
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| oiaohm | Windows 7 is techicnally in better condition than Vista but that is not hard. schestowitz | Feb 02 12:43 |
| omar | Hi all. | Feb 02 12:43 |
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| oiaohm | Tallken: Windows 7 did not cause a sales increase. | Feb 02 12:44 |
| omar | oiaohm, I don't believe that any Winblows version is any better than the other. | Feb 02 12:44 |
| Tallken | ? | Feb 02 12:44 |
| oiaohm | So consumer perception is not that great. Tallken | Feb 02 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Its really simple to say you sold billions of licences when you give all charities a free upgrade to windows 7 on all there licences. Tallken | Feb 02 12:45 |
| omar | oiaohm, They're all as vulnerable as each other, they came as a result of a shameful crime committed by the thief bill gates. | Feb 02 12:45 |
| omar | CORRECTION: .. and they all came as a result of a shameful crime committed by the thief bill gates. | Feb 02 12:46 |
| oiaohm | IE Windows 7 has not really sold faster than any past Windows OS either. It is part a dumping trick. | Feb 02 12:46 |
| Tallken | i was not aware of that | Feb 02 12:46 |
| MinceR | they don't only claim they sold billions of licenses, they also claim they've donated billions of dollarsx | Feb 02 12:46 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Feb 02 12:47 |
| Eruaran | Consumer perception changes when their bank sends them an alert and we find a rootkit on their system. | Feb 02 12:47 |
| MinceR | even though neither is true | Feb 02 12:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Fails in Business and More #Layoffs May Come http://ur1.ca/lasm #microsoft #fail #spin #enron | Feb 02 12:47 | |
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| oiaohm | omar: Windows 7 does not try to kick user in nuts in the process of using it like. Vista attempts todo. omar | Feb 02 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Tallken: see the post | Feb 02 12:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, it's better than Vista | Feb 02 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Obama is better than Bush | Feb 02 12:48 |
| Eruaran | So is a kick in the head | Feb 02 12:48 |
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| Eruaran | Had an Ubuntu user in the store today. He was referred to us by another Linux user. | Feb 02 12:49 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, perhaps. | Feb 02 12:49 |
| Eruaran | Word is getting around. :) | Feb 02 12:49 |
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| Tallken | reading | Feb 02 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Ok Vista is not the worst version of windows ever. That title still owns to Windows ME | Feb 02 12:49 |
| Eruaran | NO | Feb 02 12:49 |
| Eruaran | ME uses less RAM | Feb 02 12:50 |
| Eruaran | :) | Feb 02 12:50 |
| oiaohm | ME would do all kinds of warped thing to you. | Feb 02 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Uninstll programs by magic. | Feb 02 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Lose settings. Reboot while running. | Feb 02 12:50 |
| Eruaran | Vista made it hard for users to find what was once Add/Remove Programs | Feb 02 12:50 |
| oiaohm | It was so bad infact MS was forced to recall it in a lot of countires. | Feb 02 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie Windows ME. | Feb 02 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Vista was not quite bad enough to force recall. | Feb 02 12:51 |
| MinceR | vista does all kinds of warped things to you, too | Feb 02 12:51 |
| Tallken | schestowitz, fait enough | Feb 02 12:51 |
| Eruaran | Vista was beta softwaer | Feb 02 12:51 |
| Eruaran | *softwaer | Feb 02 12:51 |
| MinceR | nah | Feb 02 12:51 |
| Eruaran | argh | Feb 02 12:51 |
| MinceR | they never reach beta quality | Feb 02 12:51 |
| Eruaran | *software | Feb 02 12:51 |
| Eruaran | hah | Feb 02 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically Vista is number 2 in the worst MS OS ever. | Feb 02 12:51 |
| MinceR | only the "ok, now we can throw away this prototype now" quality, sometimes | Feb 02 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Remember windows me was kocked toether in half a year. | Feb 02 12:52 |
| oiaohm | You cannot even call it a prototype. | Feb 02 12:52 |
| Eruaran | Windows is like Pinnochio | Feb 02 12:52 |
| Eruaran | "someday I'm gonna be a real boy" | Feb 02 12:52 |
| Eruaran | "someday I'm gonna be a real OS" | Feb 02 12:52 |
| Eruaran | uhmm | Feb 02 12:53 |
| Eruaran | I retract that | Feb 02 12:53 |
| Eruaran | :p | Feb 02 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep it a insult to Pinnochio | Feb 02 12:53 |
| MinceR | someday it's going to be history | Feb 02 12:53 |
| Tallken | *fair | Feb 02 12:53 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: "mockup" then? | Feb 02 12:54 |
| Eruaran | I noticed late last year Microsoft released the latest in a long line of vaporware vids | Feb 02 12:55 |
| Eruaran | "courier" | Feb 02 12:55 |
| Eruaran | ZunePad | Feb 02 12:55 |
| oiaohm | mockup would be about the right description for Windows ME. It looked Ok but nothing worked. | Feb 02 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Funny thing is now we are starting to see havery norman do adds for Windows 7. Any one else having big chains advertise windows 7. | Feb 02 12:58 |
| Eruaran | Hardly Normal | Feb 02 12:59 |
| Eruaran | I saw my first Windows 7 Starter notebook the other day | Feb 02 12:59 |
| Eruaran | What an abysmal thing | Feb 02 13:00 |
| Eruaran | The local supermarket is now selling Acer eMachines netbooks for under $400 | Feb 02 13:01 |
| Eruaran | WIth XP... | Feb 02 13:01 |
| amarsh04 | which supermarket, Eruaran? | Feb 02 13:01 |
| Eruaran | Coles | Feb 02 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Ok another australian Eruaran | Feb 02 13:02 |
| amarsh04 | wouldn't be so bad if you could get a windows refund | Feb 02 13:02 |
| oiaohm | XP you can get a refund windows 7 you cannot. | Feb 02 13:02 |
| oiaohm | They changed the licence. | Feb 02 13:02 |
| oiaohm | It has to go past australian fair trading to see if the licence change is legal. Might turn out not to be under Australian law. | Feb 02 13:03 |
| amarsh04 | I'm sure that ms would have tried to change the licence on the xp shipped with netbooks as well | Feb 02 13:03 |
| Eruaran | I think its legal if the user agrees to it | Feb 02 13:03 |
| Eruaran | Which of course, if you don't agree with it, whatever is in the license doesn't apply to you | Feb 02 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Problem is the restocking and handlign change allowances in the new windows 7 licences. | Feb 02 13:04 |
| oiaohm | XP shipped on netbooks is still the old licence. | Feb 02 13:04 |
| oiaohm | The old XP licence prevented hardware makers from chanaging restocking fees and the like Eruaran | Feb 02 13:05 |
| Eruaran | And the old bugs | Feb 02 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie the licence that applied to who you were returning it to. Eruaran | Feb 02 13:05 |
| Eruaran | i c | Feb 02 13:05 |
| oiaohm | So now its country laws alone. | Feb 02 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Returning XP on netbooks is like 15 dollars. | Feb 02 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically not worth a lot of people time. | Feb 02 13:06 |
| Eruaran | I personally wouldn't bother | Feb 02 13:07 |
| Eruaran | Just put on what distro I like | Feb 02 13:07 |
| oiaohm | If it was like 200 dollars it would be worth the time. | Feb 02 13:08 |
| oiaohm | ie the price of XP netbook version is the reason why MS has not bothered up dating that licence. amarsh04 | Feb 02 13:08 |
| amarsh04 | good point oiaohm | Feb 02 13:14 |
| amarsh04 | I'd still like to be able to get one of those netbooks, break the seal and remove xp from it in front of Acer staff if need be and get a refund | Feb 02 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Lot of times I wish I could say send my the laptop no OS. | Feb 02 13:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Conficker virus hits Manchester Police computers http://tinyurl.com/y8uvub2 | Feb 02 13:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Q&A: Conficker protection - I note "switch away from Windows" is not an option on "How to protect myself" http://tinyurl.com/c2mz9v | Feb 02 13:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Exposé Taken Up a Notch http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/02/hp-comes-and-barbarians/ | Feb 02 13:43 | |
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| amarsh04 | good news from Debian: xf86-video-radeon 6.12.99 and mesa 7.7 have been built against newest libdrm yesterday and are now in experimental | Feb 02 13:55 |
| Eruaran | YouTube is getting worse | Feb 02 14:00 |
| Eruaran | The miserable ad banner that cannot be removed even when you click the X to remove it is now blocked by AdBlock Plus | Feb 02 14:01 |
| Eruaran | If you click on the X it directs you to MySpace... | Feb 02 14:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Is Bryan Lunduke becoming more a parody of himself with every episode of CAS in the way he intentionally mispronounces every other word? | Feb 02 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | > Re: do they have to give this arse a free advert ? | Feb 02 14:08 |
| schestowitz | > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/01/2250207/IE-8-Is-Top-Browser-Google-Chrome-Is-Rising-Fast?art_pos=5 | Feb 02 14:08 |
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| schestowitz | Net Apps=Microsoft buddy. | Feb 02 14:08 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share#Net_Applications | Feb 02 14:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I DECLARE TODAY IS TWITTER TELETYPE TUESDAY! TODAY I SHALL MOSTLY BE 7 BITS WIDE. | Feb 02 14:23 | |
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| Eruaran | Doesn't NetApps onlly do US figures? | Feb 02 14:47 |
| Eruaran | Furthermore, how many Windows users got IE8 in updates without giving explicit permission? | Feb 02 14:47 |
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| trmanco | yHello | Feb 02 14:50 |
| Eruaran | Also, I don't trust a web browser that takes a good 20 minutes to install on most machines... What is it installing? | Feb 02 14:50 |
| Eruaran | hello trmanco | Feb 02 14:50 |
| trmanco | hi Eruaran | Feb 02 14:51 |
| Eruaran | Looking at browsers | Feb 02 14:52 |
| trmanco | I'll do all of them except the ones that use IE's trident engine and IE itself | Feb 02 14:53 |
| Eruaran | I discovered a web browser I'd never seen running on anyone's PC before a couple of months back | Feb 02 14:54 |
| Eruaran | A chinese guy did it | Feb 02 14:54 |
| Eruaran | it uses trident | Feb 02 14:54 |
| trmanco | maxthon? | Feb 02 14:54 |
| Eruaran | rings a bell | Feb 02 14:54 |
| Eruaran | the whole thing made me ask "why?" | Feb 02 14:55 |
| Eruaran | yes it was maxthon | Feb 02 14:55 |
| trmanco | LOL | Feb 02 14:58 |
| trmanco | did you like it? | Feb 02 14:58 |
| Eruaran | I thought it was an abomination | Feb 02 14:58 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe, from the last IE related article on BN: " Microsoft has accused Google of behaving like Microsoft. " | Feb 02 14:59 |
| Omar87 | trmanco, Hey | Feb 02 15:11 |
| Omar87 | trmanco, welcome back. :) | Feb 02 15:11 |
| trmanco | hey Omar87 | Feb 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: quick! | Feb 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I tried mailing you | Feb 02 15:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And now, I am officially an #ArchLinux user!! xD | Feb 02 15:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Zonker’s ( #Novell ) Disdain for the #FSF and IDG’s Conflict of Interests http://ur1.ca/lb0v #suse #opensuse | Feb 02 15:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Zonkers (Novell) Disdain for the FSF and IDGs Conflict of Interests | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 79.66 KB | Feb 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe an old address... | Feb 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | We need Portuguese translation of the text | Feb 02 15:11 |
| trmanco | ok | Feb 02 15:12 |
| trmanco | hey schestowitz | Feb 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz | ok, resent | Feb 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | Feb 02 15:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: ola | Feb 02 15:16 |
| trmanco | ola :) | Feb 02 15:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: how are you settling in? | Feb 02 15:16 |
| trmanco | pretty well | Feb 02 15:16 |
| trmanco | I'll go to downtown toronto one of these days | Feb 02 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, let me know. we can get something to eat. one thing we are not short of, is kickass food. | Feb 02 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | thought of you the other day, we were in a major lusitano area | Feb 02 15:18 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Dundas St W | Feb 02 15:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | between say Dufferin and Ossington | Feb 02 15:18 |
| trmanco | Dundas? | Feb 02 15:18 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. :) | Feb 02 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Dundas Street West, one of the long east/west streets | Feb 02 15:19 |
| trmanco | I'm close to that street | Feb 02 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh ok, so you're closer to downtown than i thought. | Feb 02 15:19 |
| trmanco | yeah | Feb 02 15:19 |
| trmanco | Im not far from toronto | Feb 02 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you take the streetcar down DUndas towards downtown you go through the major Portuguese area | Feb 02 15:19 |
| Omar87 | damn, I'm so happy, at least I got Arch Linux to work finally! :D | Feb 02 15:19 |
| trmanco | that's a long walk | Feb 02 15:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: walk? | Feb 02 15:20 |
| trmanco | I might take a train or a go bus | Feb 02 15:20 |
| trmanco | :P | Feb 02 15:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: I'd suggest a streetcar, if you want to reach downtown from the west | Feb 02 15:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | I assume you're west of downtown? | Feb 02 15:20 |
| trmanco | I live around missisauga | Feb 02 15:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah. | Feb 02 15:20 |
| trmanco | oakville | Feb 02 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah, so you first need to reach the area serviced by TTC | Feb 02 15:21 |
| trmanco | I mean, very close to oakville | Feb 02 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | then you can take subway sure | Feb 02 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it can be more interesting to grab a street car | Feb 02 15:21 |
| trmanco | that is still chinese for me | Feb 02 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | since it's above ground, you can check out the streets | Feb 02 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | TTC = the bus+streetcar+subway | Feb 02 15:21 |
| trmanco | hmm | Feb 02 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | our metro is *almost* as clean as Lisboa's ;-) | Feb 02 15:22 |
| trmanco | heh | Feb 02 15:22 |
| trmanco | I've never had a ride in lisbons metro | Feb 02 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | really? i love it. | Feb 02 15:23 |
| trmanco | yeah, really | Feb 02 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a great metro | Feb 02 15:23 |
| trmanco | I haven't had a ride in any metro in portuguese territory | Feb 02 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | so, you can check out TO's at http://ttc.ca | Feb 02 15:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Toronto Transit Commission .::. Size~: 0.72 KB | Feb 02 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | the site can be confusing though | Feb 02 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | the layout of the metro is very simple | Feb 02 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's very efficient, $3 gets you a trip ticket, including transfers to buses and streetcars | Feb 02 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuo can make transfers as long as your trip is continuous (no stopovers) with no backtracking. | Feb 02 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | so you can cross the town for $3 | Feb 02 15:25 |
| trmanco | not bad | Feb 02 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | an unlimited monthly pass is $120 | Feb 02 15:25 |
| trmanco | I'm thinking of moving myself to somewhere downtown toronto some day | Feb 02 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | dude, there's so much good stuff | Feb 02 15:25 |
| trmanco | I know :P | Feb 02 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 02 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyway if you do head down, ping me here | Feb 02 15:27 |
| trmanco | yes I will | Feb 02 15:28 |
| trmanco | :) | Feb 02 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 02 15:28 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: will give you the translation in a bit | Feb 02 15:30 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Quite a dinner with @salva_eswar . Exchanged FOSSEE python DVD :-) | Feb 02 15:32 | |
| trmanco | schestowitz: done | Feb 02 15:48 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: can you wrap the translations in a border or even better, a white background element | Feb 02 15:50 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean the links to translations | Feb 02 15:50 |
| MarcusKoze | get noticed | Feb 02 15:50 |
| MarcusKoze | a white background and a small padding like 5-7 px would be ok | Feb 02 15:51 |
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| trmanco | cya later | Feb 02 16:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fanaticism for software patents at #Novell ; #Microsoft ’s cash infusion for Novell is running out http://ur1.ca/lb55 #ballnux | Feb 02 16:08 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell: We Love Our Software Patents, We Needed More! | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 82.15 KB | Feb 02 16:08 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: true | Feb 02 16:12 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/02/100202_us_military_gay_issue.shtml | Feb 02 16:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC World Service - News - US defence secretary to review ban on gay soldiers .::. Size~: 26.95 KB | Feb 02 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | "However Bill McMichael, the Pentagon correspondent for the US Army Times, says a majority of US servicemen and women would still prefer to retain a ban." | Feb 02 16:42 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: it's tricky to do in wiki syntax | Feb 02 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | Not surprising. You have a lot of hicks and prejudiced uneducated people recruited out of impoverished neighborhoods with a lot of discriminatory views. | Feb 02 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | the bulk of gay people being discharged are skilled officers, Arabic interpreters, IT people, etc. | Feb 02 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | you know, people it hurts the military to lose | Feb 02 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | "Here, we badly need more interpreters, so lets forcibly expel 100 people with this skill!" | Feb 02 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Christian voters don't want them there" | Feb 02 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | I say it's their loss | Feb 02 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | I will congratulate our society for only discounting the ideas of 3-5% of the population now, instead of over half | Feb 02 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | it shows progress :P | Feb 02 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason we can vote and aren't rounded up to go live in designated areas is because we don't look different from everyone else, i.e. it was easy to redline black people | Feb 02 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=a92Nr0w_IHL4 | Feb 02 16:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Germany to Buy Stolen Swiss Bank Data, Schaeuble Says (Update1) - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 33.86 KB | Feb 02 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: this is better but still cached.... | Feb 02 16:51 |
| *DaemonFC scrolls 1.5 million names and fake bank account info and burns it to CD-R | Feb 02 16:52 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Think the Germans will pay me 2.5 million Euros for that? | Feb 02 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100202/EDIT0502/302029976/1021/EDIT | Feb 02 16:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Crowded primary for Burton | The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind. .::. Size~: 32.6 KB | Feb 02 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I may be voting in the Republican primary this year | Feb 02 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have a different Republican if it means getting rid of Burton by the election | Feb 02 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has open primaries, or as I call them "pick your opponent's candidate primaries" | Feb 02 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's retarded | Feb 02 16:55 |
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| DaemonFC | "Burton is one of the most eccentric members of Congress and is known for questionable ethics and numerous statements and actions over the years that could fairly be described as wacky. (He brought his own scissors to the barber in fear of catching AIDS; he tried to ban certain vaccines; he sought the death penalty for drug dealers; he re-enacted the Vince Foster “murder” in his backyard, using a pumpkin for Foster’s head, | Feb 02 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 02 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's my Representative | Feb 02 16:56 |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | Feb 02 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | That's YOU | Feb 02 16:57 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] A gr8 scholar once said real prblm doesnt start whn the boy looks at girl. It begins whn she turns back n gives a smile! :-) (via Manish) | Feb 02 16:57 | |
| schestowitz | To congress, Indiana=Burton | Feb 02 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | you do know that there are other districts in Indiana? | Feb 02 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | 8 other districts to be precise | Feb 02 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Like blacks and whites? | Feb 02 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Divided by the government implicitly? | Feb 02 16:58 |
| schestowitz | The Jacksons were from Gary | Feb 02 16:58 |
| schestowitz | I heard there's still division like this in Illinoid | Feb 02 16:58 |
| schestowitz | *is | Feb 02 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, like I said, we have a radical black liberation theologists Muslim in our delegation, sitting next to Burton | Feb 02 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, still bad | Feb 02 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | but we got all kinds of bad | Feb 02 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of bad are represented | Feb 02 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Burton sought the death penalty for drug dealers UNTIL his son was arrested for dealing marijuana and found to have illegal weapons too | Feb 02 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | all charges ended up dropped, somehow..... | Feb 02 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | there was the infamous coast of Bolivia speech.... | Feb 02 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | he misses over 60% of votes, including Iraq spending bills | Feb 02 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | so he can golf with his lobbyists | Feb 02 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | I talked to one of his office staffers and said I'd like to see him golf more, until he misses 100% of votes and is jsut a placeholder for that seat | Feb 02 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | the only time he votes for something is when his lobbyists have sufficiently bribed him to | Feb 02 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | Eli Lilly is a big one | Feb 02 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | Burton is extremely corrupt, even by the standards of Congress | Feb 02 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | he's proof that nobody pays attention to the issues, they only vote for whatever party you're affiliated with | Feb 02 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | Andy Horning, who ran for governor as a Libertarian got 2.5% of the vote, when he ran as a Republican once, he got 46% | Feb 02 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's further proof of how many zombies just vote for the team jacket you're wearing | Feb 02 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | he's the same candidate, but switching parties lost him over 40% of the vote | Feb 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | WHy not golf HIS lobbyists | Feb 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Hol2 in one | Feb 02 17:12 |
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| DaemonFC | opposing Dan Burton in the Primary we have the Marion County prosecutor, a Tea Party activist, the former Marion County Coroner, a Lobbyist, the former Indiana republican Party Executive Director, and the CEO of an alcoholic beverage company | Feb 02 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | the Democrat is a physician and college professor | Feb 02 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | gee, I wonder who will win :) | Feb 02 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | we get Burton who works for the lobbyist, a couple people who are lobbyists, a Teabagger, or a county prosecutor | Feb 02 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Feb 02 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | take comfort in the fact that even the Teabagger couldn't be worse than Burton? | Feb 02 17:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and Its Drones Lobby for Even More #Tax Breaks; @BillGates Tries to Loot Italians http://ur1.ca/lbay | Feb 02 17:18 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft and Its Drones Lobby for Even More Tax Breaks; Bill Gates Tries to Loot Italians | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 84.35 KB | Feb 02 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.kimseyforcongress.com/ - The Teabagger running for District 8, website made with MS Frontpage and uses the <marquee> tag from Internet Explorer 3 | Feb 02 17:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: New Page 1 .::. Size~: 3.18 KB | Feb 02 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | also brought to you by crayons and the words written backwards in crayon | Feb 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&ei=1F1oS-W2JZbKjAfik6G7CQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAYQBSgA&q=dan+burton+sourcewatch&spell=1 | Feb 02 17:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: dan burton sourcewatch - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.3 KB | Feb 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | best source | Feb 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Danny_Burton | Feb 02 17:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Danny Burton - SourceWatch .::. Size~: 55.06 KB | Feb 02 17:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: http://twitter.com/danburton/ | Feb 02 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | "I support reversing socialism in America by using Microsoft products, but not actually using any that I bought this century, because that's wasteful spending" | Feb 02 17:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: danburton (danburton) on Twitter .::. Size~: 38.77 KB | Feb 02 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Feb 02 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Gay Marriage I would not support, but nor would I support any legislation to limit individual rights of homosexuals." Sort of I was against that before I was for it? | Feb 02 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | how do you reconcile that sentence? | Feb 02 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can't. it's typical right wing stupidity. | Feb 02 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | marriage is kind of an individual right | Feb 02 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | did you make the previous one up? it makes no sense either. | Feb 02 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | an individual has the right to marry | Feb 02 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's been a while since I've seen a site that looks like it was ripped out of 1997 | Feb 02 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | but there you have it | Feb 02 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | try this one: http://shop-pdp.kent.edu | Feb 02 17:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: <HEAD> .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 02 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | not only that, it looks like a Geocities site about a woman's cats from 1997 | Feb 02 17:26 |
| rnb | hiii | Feb 02 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/06/_rep_dan_burton_r-ind.html | Feb 02 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | A sneeze guard for the US House to protect from terrorists | Feb 02 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | another Burton proposal | Feb 02 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | "In making his case before the Rules Committee, Burton laid out in great detail - in a public meeting, for the record - how a terrorist "could come in and kill half of the members of Congress right now." | Feb 02 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | *grin* | Feb 02 17:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] It's damned hard to type with a Beagle's head covering the keyboard. | Feb 02 17:34 | |
| DaemonFC | "Before rejecting his amendment, members of the committee stared at Burton dumbfounded, according to sources in the room, as if wondering to themselves how to delicately explain to the Indiana Republican that he may be more in need of Xanax than Plexiglas." | Feb 02 17:35 |
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| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: still here ? | Feb 02 17:37 |
| MarcusKoze | schestowitz: from what i've seen in the wikimwdia formatting guide, it seems it allows a few html tags like <div> (i used <span> too in the translation), so you could wrap the translation links in a div with some inline style | Feb 02 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_of_the_Dune_universe | Feb 02 17:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Technology of the Dune universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 114.24 KB | Feb 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://mikecane.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/dune-catd.jpg | Feb 02 17:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 02 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO!!!!! | Feb 02 17:52 |
| MarcusKoze | =)) | Feb 02 17:52 |
| *DaemonFC is a fan, has all the books, bought all the video games, even has the disastrous 1984 movie adaptation on DVD | Feb 02 17:54 | |
| DaemonFC | :( | Feb 02 17:54 |
| MarcusKoze | wish i'd seen the movies | Feb 02 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | Emperor: Battle For Dune was pretty good | Feb 02 17:55 |
| MarcusKoze | some call them "idiotic and infantile" but i'd like to see the series | Feb 02 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I always though the Command & Conquer series had better weapons though | Feb 02 17:55 |
| MarcusKoze | dont know, started to read a few chapters from one of the books | Feb 02 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I like the NOD technology better though | Feb 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | so I always end up playing NOD B-) | Feb 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm always the Harkonnen on Dune | Feb 02 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCNXXMN9xQ | Feb 02 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 17:57 |
| MarcusKoze | ah | Feb 02 17:58 |
| MarcusKoze | does it run on linux | Feb 02 17:58 |
| MarcusKoze | ? | Feb 02 17:58 |
| MarcusKoze | looks neat | Feb 02 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmflM70vtZI&feature=related | Feb 02 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | yes it does | Feb 02 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | Wine will run it | Feb 02 17:58 |
| MarcusKoze | is it freeware or have to pay for it > | Feb 02 17:59 |
| MarcusKoze | ? | Feb 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | abandonware, find it somewhere I guess | Feb 02 17:59 |
| MarcusKoze | haha | Feb 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's 12 years old and made for Windows 98 | Feb 02 17:59 |
| MarcusKoze | well i havent stoped playing red alert 2 C&C to this day | Feb 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I tend to use infantry for expendible diversionary attacks | Feb 02 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | they all get killed, but it's time to get my heavy artillery in | Feb 02 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | the Fremen are the best part of the game and you don't even get them til way in, near the end | Feb 02 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | you have to play as the Atreides without them all the way til then :( | Feb 02 18:00 |
| MarcusKoze | dont know about the tech / units / etc from it but looks very neat :D | Feb 02 18:00 |
| MarcusKoze | yummy | Feb 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | attack the enemy harvesters | Feb 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | no spice, no financing | Feb 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | eventually they run out of money and can't build any units | Feb 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | then you just pick off the survivors | Feb 02 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | so you want to commit resources towards harassing or destroying the harvesters if possible | Feb 02 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | watch out for sand worms, they can eat anything you have moving over the sand | Feb 02 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | they'll go for the biggest heaviest moving machinery first | Feb 02 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | sometiems if they go for an expensive piece of machinery, I'll roll in a harvester as bait :) | Feb 02 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | especially if it's near the end of the mission and the worm is going after one of my strike forces | Feb 02 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | it makes you think, I like that | Feb 02 18:04 |
| MarcusKoze | got some links, some torrent maybe ? | Feb 02 18:05 |
| MarcusKoze | where i might get it ? | Feb 02 18:05 |
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| DaemonFC | not that I'd post here, I'm not sure schestowitz would appreciate this turning into a warez channel :) | Feb 02 18:05 |
| MarcusKoze | haha | Feb 02 18:06 |
| MarcusKoze | lets get private darling | Feb 02 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Wine does usually run old Windows 98 games without a problem | Feb 02 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's getting to that point with XP games, which thanks to Microsoft impeding their own progress, are still made | Feb 02 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of this year, the XP game that doesn't run is the exception (barring bad video drivers) | Feb 02 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: EA tosses out games this old as teasers sometimes for upcoming games | Feb 02 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | they tossed out a bunch of Windows 95-era Command & Conquer for free to promote C&C 3 | Feb 02 18:11 |
| MarcusKoze | do tyhey have red alert 2 too ? | Feb 02 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Feb 02 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | they're still selling that at Walmart actually | Feb 02 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | they were selling them in jewel cases for $10 all the way up to about 2005 | Feb 02 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | now they're still on the shelf as Command & Conquer: The First Decade | Feb 02 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | I think I paid $39.95 for that | Feb 02 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | its probably gone down | Feb 02 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's on a DVD-9 though so, yeah | Feb 02 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1536/46262912.png | Feb 02 18:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | arrrghhhhh | Feb 02 18:19 |
| MinceR | arrg! | Feb 02 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://redirectingat.com/?id=996X495234&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.antiphishing.org%2Freports%2Fapwg_report_Q3_2009.pdf | Feb 02 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Malware infection rate of Windows computers is 48.35% according to these people | Feb 02 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | 15.89% of that is stuff specifically designed to steal things like bank account info and social security numbers and credit cards | Feb 02 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | 8.39% are downloader stubs that wait and download whatever payloads they're ordered to | Feb 02 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | and 75.72% is "Other Malware" | Feb 02 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | this was compiled after scanning 22 million Windows PCs | Feb 02 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, but everybody knows this already, don't they? | Feb 02 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's nothing new. | Feb 02 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | and it's not going to change | Feb 02 18:28 |
| MinceR | it doesn't hurt to get more evidence of how crap windows is :> | Feb 02 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | nobody seems to care, do they? :) | Feb 02 18:29 |
| MinceR | the majority doesn't | Feb 02 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't change behaviour much.. or is the tide turning at last?? | Feb 02 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | and the minority already shun it | Feb 02 18:29 |
| MinceR | it seems that people consider switching when they're burnt by m$ crap | Feb 02 18:30 |
| MinceR | like vista | Feb 02 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | but only a minority of the majority do | Feb 02 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | most ppl don't even seem to know there are alternatives | Feb 02 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | MS indoctrination/misinformation has been devastatingly effective | Feb 02 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations | Feb 02 18:31 |
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| MinceR | more lies from adobe? | Feb 02 18:33 |
| MinceR | i've seen adobe claim that trash is an open standard | Feb 02 18:33 |
| MinceR | today | Feb 02 18:33 |
| MinceR | they really have thick skin on their faces | Feb 02 18:33 |
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| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Feb 02 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | actually there have been recent calls to open it. | Feb 02 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | it would be a very smart, if belated, move. | Feb 02 18:36 |
| cubezzz | trash? | Feb 02 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | but they don't have the brains or the balls. | Feb 02 18:36 |
| MinceR | there are calls to all sorts of things, very little happens | Feb 02 18:37 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: Adobe Trash | Feb 02 18:37 |
| cubezzz | ummm, ok | Feb 02 18:37 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: called "Flash" by those who don't know what it implies | Feb 02 18:37 |
| *FurnaceBoy points to OpenSolaris and Java as core assets, open sourced | Feb 02 18:37 | |
| cubezzz | ah, flash ;) | Feb 02 18:37 |
| MinceR | or that don't know that this "technology" doesn't deserve any name like that | Feb 02 18:37 |
| MinceR | perhaps Adobe Molasses | Feb 02 18:37 |
| MinceR | or Adobe EatsYourCPU | Feb 02 18:37 |
| cubezzz | it's a way to hide stuff mostly | Feb 02 18:38 |
| MinceR | or Adobe WeCan'tCodeOurWayOutOfAPaperBag | Feb 02 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Warnock was a very smart guy, but he's long gone. | Feb 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | all that's left are overpaid smug schmucks. | Feb 02 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | another case where engineering is a tiny part of the co. and marketing/legal are the real activities. | Feb 02 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | the usual trajectory for a public co who sleepwalk into a monopoly hehe | Feb 02 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100202/NEWS/2020310 | Feb 02 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | hahaha | Feb 02 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, now counties are attacking each other and offering bribes to workers to not live in other counties | Feb 02 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 18:46 |
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| DaemonFC | the guy at the gas station just accused me of stealing a fucking bag of peanuts! | Feb 02 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I ripped my jacket off, turned the pockets out | Feb 02 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | pulled off my shirt | Feb 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | and asked him if he wanted me to keep going | Feb 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | by then I have an audience | Feb 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | and so I shout "Maybe I stole some fucking peanuts huh!!!?" | Feb 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Feb 02 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I hate people | Feb 02 19:43 |
| MinceR | join the club | Feb 02 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | I just called and left a message about that with their assistant manager | Feb 02 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | he took down my name and phone number to give to the store manager | Feb 02 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'd just like to see them reprimand that guy, I'm not going to sue anyone or anything, it's just rude | Feb 02 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | you don't treat a regular customer who spends money at your store that way | Feb 02 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've never been so hard up that I had to steal a 59 cent bag of spicy peanuts | Feb 02 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | 59 fucking cents of peanuts when I spend at leas $4-5 there every day, maybe more | Feb 02 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | AND gas up my car each week | Feb 02 19:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.thebluelego.com | Feb 02 19:53 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: pity you hadn't been armed, you could have just shot him | Feb 02 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to shoot someone over that | Feb 02 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I herd that this is allowable self defence and you would just get off | Feb 02 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | there's too much liability | Feb 02 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | if he doesn't want to be shot dead, he shouldn't be an ass | Feb 02 19:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!! | Feb 02 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | you can't just go around waving guns at people unless you intend to shoot them ;) | Feb 02 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | they could say you made them afraid and sue you | Feb 02 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | just cause you tapped it a few times even while it was holstered | Feb 02 19:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what kind of society do you live in where you can't wave around loaded weapons at whoever you want. INSANE! | Feb 02 19:56 |
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| FurnaceBoy | and imagine them telling you who you CAN and CAN'T shoot dead. INTERFERING GOVERNMENT! | Feb 02 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | wearing it in plain view is about all you can do to get the message across | Feb 02 19:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | specifically kids, they'll see right away who's boss. | Feb 02 19:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | criminals will stop being criminals when they see sheriff DaemonFC stride into the gas station. | Feb 02 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | doubt it | Feb 02 19:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | "dudes. look out. let's get rehabilitated." | Feb 02 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | wrong again | Feb 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, you don't like MY fantasies? | Feb 02 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | tell us more of yours, then :) | Feb 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | more like, when they start shooting at me, I don't have to cower and pray | Feb 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's for Canadians | Feb 02 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, because you'll be perforated. | Feb 02 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, our streets are safe. we like it that way. | Feb 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | your police are incompetent even by police standards | Feb 02 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | good to know. | Feb 02 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | somehow they keep the murder rate very very low. | Feb 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd call it luck | Feb 02 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | 5.5 million ppl = 90 homicides a year. | Feb 02 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | how YOU doin. | Feb 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Feb 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | none of them were me | Feb 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | armed bank robber hit up 58 Canadian banks before being caught | Feb 02 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's some good police work, isn't it? | Feb 02 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | people don't rob US banks? | Feb 02 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | not 58 in a row | Feb 02 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's just comical | Feb 02 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | "What do I care. None of those banks were me." | Feb 02 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | and then he was caught by the US FBI | Feb 02 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | which is hysterical | Feb 02 20:01 |
| trmanco | http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?blog=1&story=358 | Feb 02 20:01 |
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| DaemonFC | he would be on number 457 by now if he stayed in Canada | Feb 02 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: coincidence. somebody just linked me that. | Feb 02 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | first US bank he robbed, they caught him | Feb 02 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you bore us | Feb 02 20:01 |
| trmanco | :) | Feb 02 20:01 |
| trmanco | I just read it | Feb 02 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | if I ever become a bank robber, I'm going to Canada | Feb 02 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | they'd never catch me | Feb 02 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: please do. | Feb 02 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and bring as many guns as you can | Feb 02 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mean I'd be ripping out pubic hairs to leave at the crime scene | Feb 02 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | touching everything in the bank just to leave fingerprints | Feb 02 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | just trying to help their police catch me | Feb 02 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: dream on | Feb 02 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's so unfair to them to be a good criminal | Feb 02 20:02 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 02 20:04 |
| trmanco | if I ever want to get shot by someone, I'll go to the US | Feb 02 20:05 |
| trmanco | :P | Feb 02 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Canada only has like 38 million people and those are just the survivors I guess | Feb 02 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | of the "Did your parents have any kids that lived?" insult | Feb 02 20:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The profit margin on a fucking tomato is lower than on a can of Diet Coke. So which do they sell. The one that kills you. Q.E.D. | Feb 02 20:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Tomatoes kill? | Feb 02 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | learn something new every day I guess | Feb 02 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Note to self: Don't eat tomatoes, they've evolved to poison us. | Feb 02 20:07 |
| MinceR | both can kill | Feb 02 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to hear of death by Diet Coke | Feb 02 20:07 |
| MinceR | but it's rare in both cases | Feb 02 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | plenty of people die of alcohol poisoning | Feb 02 20:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you could get it in cans and load them into a railgun... | Feb 02 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | you can prove that | Feb 02 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has proven that Diet Coke can kill | Feb 02 20:08 |
| MinceR | everything is a weapon. :> | Feb 02 20:08 |
| *DaemonFC defers to what MinceR just said because it sounds really cool | Feb 02 20:08 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 20:08 |
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| Kietelaar | hello people | Feb 02 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I HATE the people that make a claim that's totally ridiculous and then when you point out that they haven't proven it, they assert that they are right because you haven't proven it false | Feb 02 20:12 |
| Kietelaar | then nothing is a fact | Feb 02 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | scientists can't go out and assert the unprovable as true just because nobody can disprove them | Feb 02 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | at that point it is a hypothesis | Feb 02 20:13 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 02 20:13 |
| Kietelaar | i agree with that. | Feb 02 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | there is a hypothesis that aspartame may be dangerous, not a theory, not a proven fact | Feb 02 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | it is a proven fact that nicotine is dangerous | Feb 02 20:14 |
| cubezzz | I avoid aspartame as much as I avoid doze | Feb 02 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | if 40 years went by with nicotine on the market and nobody could offer any evidence that it was dangerous, I wouldn't see the big deal in consuming it | Feb 02 20:15 |
| cubezzz | uh, what about lung cancer? | Feb 02 20:15 |
| Kietelaar | thats not nicotine | Feb 02 20:15 |
| Kietelaar | thats the tar | Feb 02 20:15 |
| Kietelaar | and smoke | Feb 02 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | nicotine doesn't cause lung cancer | Feb 02 20:15 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 02 20:16 |
| cubezzz | so it doesn't do anything bad? | Feb 02 20:16 |
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| DaemonFC | nicotine is a neurotoxin | Feb 02 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | but it's far from being the worst single thing in a cigarette | Feb 02 20:16 |
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| DaemonFC | they put things in cigarettes that they don't even know what health effects it causes | Feb 02 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | because it makes them taste better or more addictive | Feb 02 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | or what have you | Feb 02 20:17 |
| cubezzz | I've never smoked actually | Feb 02 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I did for a while | Feb 02 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | I stopped | Feb 02 20:17 |
| Kietelaar | DaemonFC do you know about tobacco? i mean the type that is sold in little bags or packs and not in cigarettes. the type you role. is it less destructive? | Feb 02 20:17 |
| cubezzz | there's these green cigarettes now | Feb 02 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | Kietelaar: No, it's basically the 2nd rate stuff they won't use in normal cigarettes | Feb 02 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | I call them floor sweepings | Feb 02 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | you also smoke more of them because they don't have the same amount of nicotine in them | Feb 02 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | so they're probably worse for you in the long run | Feb 02 20:19 |
| Kietelaar | DaemonFC second rate? why? | Feb 02 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | can't use them for whatever reason | Feb 02 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | don't pass quality control | Feb 02 20:19 |
| Kietelaar | ok | Feb 02 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | Marlboro or Camel or whoever wants quality, as in they have a distinctive uniform taste and all that | Feb 02 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the generic cigarettes are so much worse-tasting | Feb 02 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're not going on brand, they go on cheapness | Feb 02 20:20 |
| cubezzz | I dont' see many people smoking these days | Feb 02 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Every smoker ends up with a brand they prefer if you've noticed | Feb 02 20:21 |
| cubezzz | watch films from the 40's though, and everyone's puffing away | Feb 02 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | I always got two packs of Camel Menthol 100's every morning | Feb 02 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | that was expensive :P | Feb 02 20:21 |
| Kietelaar | DaemonFC but that tobacco is also on brand. its camel its lucky strike its drum etc etc. | Feb 02 20:21 |
| Kietelaar | they also produce rolling tobacco | Feb 02 20:22 |
| Kietelaar | its not popular in the us but it is in some countries in europe | Feb 02 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I thought you were referring to the US, yeah here the loose rolling tobacco is nasty | Feb 02 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's really no brand names for it | Feb 02 20:22 |
| Kietelaar | okay thats different then | Feb 02 20:23 |
| Kietelaar | where i live its more popular than cigarettes and its pretty much only brand names | Feb 02 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | I thought I 'd be clever one time and save some money by getting a rolling machine, filter tubes, and a pouch of menthol loose tobacco | Feb 02 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | and ended up making it through just because I had bought it | Feb 02 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Kietelaar: It's cheap here because of the 2nd rate deal and the fact that it's barely taxed | Feb 02 20:24 |
| Kietelaar | yeah makes sense | Feb 02 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | 20 Camel cigarettes will run you $4.58 a pack | Feb 02 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | 20 rolled cigarettes will cost you maybe $1.50 all told | Feb 02 20:24 |
| Kietelaar | its not that cheap in europe haha | Feb 02 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | rollies are commonly associated with poor people | Feb 02 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | even those on welfare | Feb 02 20:25 |
| Kietelaar | actually usually its called "shag" this tobacco | Feb 02 20:25 |
| Kietelaar | http://allofourbutts.com/shop_image/product/drum-pouches-12.jpg | Feb 02 20:26 |
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| Kietelaar | these are the packs | Feb 02 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | implied that they can't buy anything better so they resort to rolling the floor sweepings to save money | Feb 02 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | Kietelaar: I still smoke clove cigarettes sometimes | Feb 02 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | not often | Feb 02 20:26 |
| Kietelaar | what are those | Feb 02 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | those Djarum Bali Hai is the brand | Feb 02 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | they put cloves in with them | Feb 02 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's from Indonesia | Feb 02 20:27 |
| Kietelaar | ooh | Feb 02 20:27 |
| Kietelaar | nice | Feb 02 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | tastes like you're smoking a honey ham, lol | Feb 02 20:27 |
| Kietelaar | i personally dont smoke though | Feb 02 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while, you have to look out | Feb 02 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | cause the fire hits a big clove shaving and it blows up | Feb 02 20:27 |
| Kietelaar | olol | Feb 02 20:28 |
| Kietelaar | thats a nice joke | Feb 02 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes it'll blow the cigarette almost in half | Feb 02 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | first time it happened to me, I thought about mailing a pack to the Castros | Feb 02 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | succeed where the CIA failed | Feb 02 20:28 |
| Kietelaar | hehe | Feb 02 20:29 |
| Kietelaar | where do you live actually | Feb 02 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Huntington, Indiana, United States | Feb 02 20:31 |
| Kietelaar | coolz | Feb 02 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | one of those towns where nobody can code a website without Frontpage | Feb 02 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I really appreciate #Canada Post often going the extra mile to bring parcels to my apartment when they don't fit in mailbox. Great service. | Feb 02 20:35 | |
| trmanco | http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/06/15/spies050615.html | Feb 02 20:54 |
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| trmanco | grrr | Feb 02 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Why would they spy on Canada? | Feb 02 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | and with 1,000 spies? | Feb 02 20:55 |
| trmanco | read it | Feb 02 20:56 |
| trmanco | I was reading wikipedias page on canada | Feb 02 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll have to, cause I can't figure out what there is to spy on | Feb 02 20:56 |
| trmanco | I that popped out | Feb 02 20:56 |
| trmanco | "Canada is losing about $12 billion a year due to industrial espionage.[140]" | Feb 02 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Does CSIS have anything juicy enough to justify the effort of slipping in spies? | Feb 02 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | ahhhh, they want to know how to cut down trees and pump oil | Feb 02 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | that explains it | Feb 02 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco: Sometimes it's better to leave the spies there and just feed them bad information | Feb 02 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | *shrugs* | Feb 02 20:58 |
| MinceR | http://trash.uid0.hu/fun/bill_gates_testimony.jpg | Feb 02 20:58 |
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| DaemonFC | you can run your enemy's policies toward you through their own spy network | Feb 02 20:59 |
| trmanco | its not just trees and oil | Feb 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet the US government knows about some of these spies and leaves them there because they're more useful in-place | Feb 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | think about how rare it is for the government to actually arrest a spy and put them on trial | Feb 02 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's because of a disinformation strategy | Feb 02 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | if not an outright double cross program | Feb 02 21:01 |
| trmanco | l8r\ | Feb 02 21:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ARGH Dann's soundcheck clips at the start of TLLTS 337 drive you NUTS | Feb 02 21:29 | |
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| cubezzz | blogger is ending ftp publishing | Feb 02 21:43 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Feb 02 21:43 |
| cubezzz | I think I need to get off blogger :-/ | Feb 02 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | that still burns me | Feb 02 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | being accused of stealing 59 cents worth of peanuts | Feb 02 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | and Indiana law doesn't separate between petty and grand theft, the sentence is the same | Feb 02 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | now I didn't steal peanuts | Feb 02 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | but I'll be god damned if I'm going to have some stupid jerk at a convenience store call the cops and accuse me of stealing peanuts | Feb 02 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | What are you in for? | Feb 02 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Grand Theft Spicy Peanuts | Feb 02 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | You? | Feb 02 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | I beat some guys head in with a tire iron. | Feb 02 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | I told the manager the next time one of her employees so much as touches me, I will split their head wide open and kill them dead | Feb 02 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | peanuts....the nerve.....accusing me of stealing PEANUTS! | Feb 02 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've had weeks where I couldn't pay the rent and didn't steal peanuts | Feb 02 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Peanut Snatching - Victim-less Crime or The Number One Cause of Kiddie Porn, story at 11 | Feb 02 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | man hauled away in handcuffs shouting "It was the one-armed peanut stealing man!!!!!" | Feb 02 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | And I was a supporter of mandatory mimimum sentencing | Feb 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | stole peanuts? 20 years | Feb 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | repeat offender? life sentence | Feb 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | *minimum | Feb 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Why are we talking about peanuts? | Feb 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | I scrolled up a bit | Feb 02 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You missed it? | Feb 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Not quite | Feb 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | But what are you, like... hungry there? | Feb 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Some dude accused you of stealling some bag with processed things that taste like peanuts... | Feb 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | So.. | Feb 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | My question is.. | Feb 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I got stopped on the way out of the convenience store and frisked by an employee because he accused me of stealing 59 cents worth of peanuts | Feb 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Why did you steal it? :-p | Feb 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't | Feb 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Nah.. it's just peanuts | Feb 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I stripped myself half naked and made a scene though | Feb 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | it was funny | Feb 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I told him if he ever touched me again I was going to bust his head wide open | Feb 02 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | I had people laughing | Feb 02 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | all that matters I guess | Feb 02 21:58 |
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| DaemonFC | I had half a mind to dump a barrel full of peanuts on him | Feb 02 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | "Here's some fucking peanuts you asshole!!!!" | Feb 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | peanut rage you see | Feb 02 22:00 |
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| DaemonFC | mitigating circumstances | Feb 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I saw the peanuts and freaked out | Feb 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | they were coming onto me | Feb 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | an so was he, I'm sure he might be gay, so I get that defense too | Feb 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | no jury would convict me with Peanut Rage and Gay Panic Defense | Feb 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I might just throw in the Twinkie Defense too | Feb 02 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Feb 02 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | see, if you do something, make it something where the police take you to the local mental health center and not jail | Feb 02 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | you may get forcibly medicated for a few weeks, but the documentation is invaluable | Feb 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | and there's no criminal charge | Feb 02 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Over peanuts? | Feb 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | WT*? | Feb 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://maketecheasier.com/clone-drives-and-partitions-with-clonezilla/2010/01/28 | Feb 02 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Peter Cook as the Devil in Bedazzled: "Attempted suicide is a crime, you know. In a less enlightened time, they'd have hung you for it." | Feb 02 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 02 22:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: now you're like homeless person shoplifting FOOD | Feb 02 22:05 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Feb 02 22:05 |
| schestowitz | j/k | Feb 02 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Not homeless, just under-homed | Feb 02 22:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some people defend euthanasia | Feb 02 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It's a complex subject | Feb 02 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I always ask them what their problem is with youth in Asia | Feb 02 22:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, many people have rent/mortgage | Feb 02 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | they're people too you know! | Feb 02 22:06 |
| schestowitz | In which case, the only ones owning homes are bankers, treasuries, etc | Feb 02 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No, you're misunderstood, let me correct the cycle of homelessness for you here, give me a second | Feb 02 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Home buyer gets railroaded into bad mortgage > Mortgage rate triples the next year > Bank takes house > Bank sells house to landlord > Landlord charges 250% of the mortgage but divides it into 4-5 apartments and rents them out to people who will never own it | Feb 02 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | thus the bank recoups everything they paid and makes a nice profit too, the landlord now owns the house and can perpetually exploit all the tenants | Feb 02 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | government proceeds to subsidize landlord with Section 8 HUD | Feb 02 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | landlord raises rent to maximum HUD will pay | Feb 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | 1 bedroom unit is now $600 with $350 of that paid by the government to the landlord | Feb 02 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | now Landlord is making 6 times what the bank was taking in from the mortgage on the last person who owned the house | Feb 02 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | and it never ends | Feb 02 22:11 |
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| DaemonFC | the biggest recipients of welfare in the US are landlords and food producers (if you can call half of what food stamps pay for "food") | Feb 02 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | I call it processed horseshit with no vitamins, minerals, or dietary protein hosed down in preservatives that cause cancer and heart and kidney failure, with an extra helping of fat | Feb 02 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 02 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | they might as well pour some cyanide gravy on top of some of this stuff so you don't have to suffer a horrible lingering decades-long death after eating it | Feb 02 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | but at the same time, this negates the theory of a grand unified conspiracy to kill lots of people through our diet | Feb 02 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | why would you want to make them a burden to the system for years on end after being only semi-productive at work? | Feb 02 22:16 |
| oiaohm | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/02/1318221/South-Australia-Outlaws-Anonymous-Political-Speech << You have seen this schestowitz | Feb 02 22:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I'd say the more credible theory is simply sterilization | Feb 02 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Iran, Australia, the PRC, what's the difference lately? | Feb 02 22:17 |
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| oiaohm | There are still differences. DaemonFC | Feb 02 22:19 |
| oiaohm | elections more often for 1 DaemonFC | Feb 02 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/160139 Quote: "In the fourth quarter of 2009, consumers bought 90 million PCs, up 22 percent from the same quarter in 2008, a clear sign that buyers were ready for something new. Prices plummeted in 2009, with the price of the average laptop falling to $581, down a whopping 23 percent from 2008." | Feb 02 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Yep so up 22 percent down 1 percent in overall profit about Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 02 22:20 |
| oiaohm | So the presure on MS to cut prices is going to keep on increasing. | Feb 02 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: What good are your elections when they don't even fear you enough to stop passing such horrible laws? | Feb 02 22:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The race to the bottom by OEM's and MS. As Apple controls the over $1000 laptop market in the USA selling a 90% of that share | Feb 02 22:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> yes | Feb 02 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is a parasite on the OEMs | Feb 02 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | even Dell has practically admitted it, quietly | Feb 02 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course, they suck all the profits away from the OEM's | Feb 02 22:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Indiscrete-web-browsers-assist-de-anonymisation-919669.html Its not like staying anoymous is simple any more. | Feb 02 22:22 |
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| oiaohm | Really MS Holding profits up is good for Linux. It puts more presure on OEM's to look for other solutions. | Feb 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows turns a thin profit margin into a razor thin one for OEMs | Feb 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | especially small ones that can't get the huge bulk deals | Feb 02 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | the same copy of Windows that costs Dell $50 may cost a smaller OEM $70 | Feb 02 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it cripples their ability to compete with large OEMs | Feb 02 22:24 |
| oiaohm | Even for dell on some devices 50 dollars is going to become non tolleratable. | Feb 02 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS thought it could get the price up with Vista/7 as it needed a lot more hardware resources (more memory, more video card memory etc, faster cpu, bigger hd to handle the bloat), But users rejected this by and large. In the time that computer hardware became fast enough that cheaper computers would now run the newer version of Vista/Mohave/Seven, the hardware prices came down also, making the MS stategy worthless. | Feb 02 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: that is another cause of stress MS has caused against themselves. | Feb 02 22:32 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/02/2807584.htm | Feb 02 22:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm> most likely MS will use a modified similar plan with Win8 as well. As it needs higher hardware prices to camo it licencing prices | Feb 02 22:33 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/02/2807584.htm | Feb 02 22:33 |
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| amarsh04 | oops, the headline is misleading | Feb 02 22:34 |
| oiaohm | I suspect Windows 8 will be the same specs as Windows 7. Unless MS is trying to kill self. | Feb 02 22:34 |
| amarsh04 | Internet comment control plan ditched | Feb 02 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is to trying to kill ms | Feb 02 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he just has not admitted it to himself | Feb 02 22:34 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | So Windows7 has some serious problems with some bios versions in laptops, for the battery life. | Feb 02 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-looking-into-windows-7-battery-life-failures.ars | Feb 02 22:38 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | probably e1 seen that already | Feb 02 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm> you did a nice job tracking down the official statement for the finical results | Feb 02 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ms sec | Feb 02 22:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/blogpost/6931769/ | Feb 02 22:47 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Touch screens, which were the next big thing (if you believe M$) were supposed to drive up prices. But it seems users instead voted with their wallets and mostly passed by touch screens. | Feb 02 22:50 |
| oiaohm | This is the second time around with touch screens. | Feb 02 22:51 |
| oiaohm | None of the modern touch screen tech addresses the old problems of large touch screens and humans. | Feb 02 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Small touch screens you have somewhere to rest you hand doing the controls. | Feb 02 22:52 |
| cubezzz | any ideas for alternatives to blogger? They are axing ftp support | Feb 02 22:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> Touch Screens are very old. MS tried to claim to be innovated and take the credit for Touch Screens. On MS Watch a long time ago, I pointed out that touch screens were part of Video Poker Machines (which are just a computer) in casinos since the 80's. | Feb 02 22:53 |
| cubezzz | I'd like an open source solution | Feb 02 22:53 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I saw touch screens in the 80s | Feb 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just got off the phone with the owner of that store | Feb 02 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Yet you will notice most video poker machines don't use them today. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | who apologized and told me that the guy that stopped me is going to be written up for it tonight | Feb 02 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Due to the fact you want people playing those machines as long as able and not walk way due to pain. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 02 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm> the ones (video poker machines) I seen last night did, all of them. But to be fair, they also have buttons located at the bottom of the panels | Feb 02 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are all touchscreens, vp machines, but have buttons too | Feb 02 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Buttions on them are designed that you can rest you hands there. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 02 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Feb 02 22:56 |
| oiaohm | That is a key problem with touch screens | Feb 02 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I seldom play them myself, but the ole lady is hooked | Feb 02 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Human arm needs a rest point. | Feb 02 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just like I need a good chair with adjustable armrest for desktop computer | Feb 02 22:57 |
| oiaohm | The human body has limits. | Feb 02 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which brings the point you are making. Touch screens really are not adding that much value | Feb 02 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some most people are not going pay extra for them | Feb 02 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | because they are too painful to use long term | Feb 02 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | expecially for the graying population | Feb 02 22:59 |
| cubezzz | zaurus had a stylus type touch screen | Feb 02 22:59 |
| cubezzz | it worked ok | Feb 02 22:59 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | touch screen on laptop=little to no extra value for average windows users | Feb 02 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Size is a factor cubezzz | Feb 02 23:00 |
| oiaohm | and zaurus was not a table style. | Feb 02 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | touch screen= failure for ms to increase the hardware price of computers in order to hide the OEM price of windows | Feb 02 23:01 |
| oiaohm | MS had to implement touch screen to stay head of Linux tech. | Feb 02 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | touch screen is fine and needed on phones | Feb 02 23:01 |
| oiaohm | But MS missed why the Linux guys were doing it. | Feb 02 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> MS had to implement touch screen to stay head of Linux tech." or because the OEM's like Dell and HP were already coming out with touchscreens on some laptops | Feb 02 23:02 |
| oiaohm | For large screen you need to be able to rest on the screen and have you plams disregarded by the touch tech for it to work. | Feb 02 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Dell and HP only started going taht way after the prototypes of MPX | Feb 02 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012503690.html?hpid=moreheadlines | Feb 02 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: great. | Feb 02 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04, oiaohm: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/02/sydney_banker/ | Feb 02 23:08 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Sony-shows-how-to-lift-Windows-PCs-out-of-the-lowprice-doldrums/1265139557 Wilcox has some information on average pc prices in this article | Feb 02 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/census-files-available-bittorrentx Probably pretext for killing p2p.... as if they could... small census... just 1k files.. probably bias popu' | Feb 02 23:10 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | but I disagree that Sony will be sucessful raising the price | Feb 02 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't read Joe's | Feb 02 23:10 |
| schestowitz | He has a personal blog too | Feb 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Most of his stuff is pro-Microsoft | Feb 02 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Gordon Brown promotes policy-based vote-counting reforms http://is.gd/7A0eQ | Feb 02 23:11 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I don't read Joe Wilcox either, but sometimes I stumble across them | Feb 02 23:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] God, #CNN is retarded and got this entirely wrong http://ur1.ca/lc1r | Feb 02 23:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard what's he holding? | Feb 02 23:13 | |
| oiaohm | I was laughed and in 1995 when I said to a person that there would be 500 dollar PC's at some point. | Feb 02 23:13 |
| oiaohm | He said there is no way the market would allow that to happen because there would be no profit. | Feb 02 23:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A quote from the wilcox article, which is interesting if true: "The $799.99 price is about $326 more than the average selling price of laptops sold at US retail in fourth quarter, according to NPD data." | Feb 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | NPD. *LOL* | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't care about NPD | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | US-only, too | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Measuring only what the company pays tthem to meausre | Feb 02 23:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 God, #CNN is retarded and got this entirely wrong http://ur1.ca/lc1r | Feb 02 23:15 | |
| schestowitz | It's corrupt | Feb 02 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | $373.99 average laptop selling price after doing the math, if Wilcox is right. MS is going have problems with this trend | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | And Joe Wilcox called them on it | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Around 2008 | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | *2008 | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | *>2007 | Feb 02 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I could find it | Feb 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | He used to be an anal-yst | Feb 02 23:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | lol rt | Feb 02 23:16 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Still I have seen new laptops in Fry's here for about $325 with 15" lcd's, dual core 32 bit | Feb 02 23:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | only 32bit? | Feb 02 23:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | what a waste | Feb 02 23:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, at that price they most likely trying to liquidate the 32 bit stock | Feb 02 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://socializedsoftware.com/2010/01/26/dilbert-on-cloud-computing/#utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=dilbert-on-cloud-computing | Feb 02 23:18 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I need 64bit, as Linux works well on 64bit | Feb 02 23:18 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | also, I do not want any Intel cpu's on a laptop. Staying with AMD so virualization works | Feb 02 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even if I would have to pay more | Feb 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3247 Over 21 per cent of German PCs run Openoffice http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590009/over-21-cent-german-pcs-run-openoffice | Feb 02 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | Office revenue is down | Feb 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Still. | Feb 02 23:21 |
| oiaohm | That will get progressively worse. | Feb 02 23:21 |
| oiaohm | I am really waiting on koffice on windows to apply even more presure. | Feb 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I like koffice | Feb 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Fast, light, qt (yummy gui) | Feb 02 23:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS Office 2010 is supposed to be released in June this year. Wonder how they solve the patent issue and make it compatable with the non USA version? Most likely they don't, and just break more. | Feb 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Lxer advertised this rubbish yesterday | Feb 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | It was strange | Feb 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they have WIndows links in recent months | Feb 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin noticed that too | Feb 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1589879/chip-sales-bad | Feb 02 23:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS advertising on Linux sites is a clear sign that GNU/Linux is gaining market shares, and that MS is scared. | Feb 02 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/02/daily_view_obama_cancels_moon.html | Feb 02 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: thougts? | Feb 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | He promised changed | Feb 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | We got it | Feb 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | No NASA missions | Feb 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Bailout - yes | Feb 02 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am a pessimist you know as far as the gov | Feb 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Not entirely his fault though, as Dick and George set that up | Feb 02 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NASA | Feb 02 23:25 |
| schestowitz | NASA was jacked by MS in some ways | Feb 02 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | is a sign that the gov has spent too much | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | It used to be more *NIX focused | Feb 02 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they have to cut somewhere now | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | What I would like to find is whether a coup detre happens there | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft employees joined NASA | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I can think of NON | Feb 02 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there will be many cuts coming | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | *NON | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | *>NONE | Feb 02 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [that I have come across | Feb 02 23:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as the gov took a 22% revenue cut this recession, and its not over yet | Feb 02 23:27 |
| oiaohm | NASA bugget has been tighting up. | Feb 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: how bad is real unemployment in SF? | Feb 02 23:27 |
| oiaohm | The flying brick yards replacement should have been in the air by now. | Feb 02 23:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not in SF | Feb 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Some press tells what the gov approves and what makes people optimistic and willing to read | Feb 02 23:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nevada | Feb 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: daemonFOX was accused of stealing peanuts | Feb 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | What world are we living in? | Feb 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Wrongly accused | Feb 02 23:28 |
| oiaohm | sitting in the side of the main fuel tank is a major shuttle design error. | Feb 02 23:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was 13.4% official a few months ago | Feb 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Official means fake | Feb 02 23:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | here | Feb 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Means it's "fixed" | Feb 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Like "official" news | Feb 02 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I read somewhere that a million people are coming off the official unemployment this month, if its not extended | Feb 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | How unmanned drones are changing modern warfare < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8488269.stm > | Feb 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | See? | Feb 02 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | News. | Feb 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Fight someone | Feb 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Anyone, just fight | Feb 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Drive the industrial complex | Feb 02 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and that will cause it to be flat or improve slightly, the official one that is | Feb 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, it's a windows | Feb 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, it's a window thing | Feb 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | It didn't used to be | Feb 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | People are assumed to be "employed" after while | Feb 02 23:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | unemployment I think is only for 6 months here, but it was extended to one year. Still that is not enought, as there are no jobs to go around | Feb 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | That's not how it was measured back in the daze | Feb 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | So basically, one in 6 lost a job in the past year and cannot find another | Feb 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Add that to those who come beforehand | Feb 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://stochasticresonance.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/puppet-chef-dependencies-and-worldviews/ | Feb 02 23:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | 3 or 4 million will soon be off the role and not in the official figures, living at their relatives, or a tent/box somewhere | Feb 02 23:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | These people don't need the help, but the banks do (scarcasium intended) | Feb 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/female-suicide-bomber-kills-41-wounds-106-central-iraq/ | Feb 02 23:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Female suicide bomber kills 41, wounds 106 in central Iraq | Raw Story .::. Size~: 28.99 KB | Feb 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: at least they are not slaves in the railway /sarcasm | Feb 02 23:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Now for the change. The gov has lost 22% revenue, has borrow how much propping up the rich bankers, and AIG. The gov is in a lot of debt, if the interest rates of borrowing money ever go up a lot, most western countries will default. | Feb 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | "Let them east cake" | Feb 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | *eat | Feb 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: mabe | Feb 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | *maybe | Feb 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I hear the optimists deny | Feb 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | But maybe the West is the new East | Feb 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | They tried to bribe others for ACTA and stuff | Feb 02 23:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There was an article by the BBC a few days ago about the EU maybe bailing out Greece | Feb 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | to maintain dominance | Feb 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | But China ain't stupid... it gets far more patents than the US now | Feb 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Greece bankrupt? | Feb 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Like Iceland? | Feb 02 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe | Feb 02 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its was in the BBC I think | Feb 02 23:37 |
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| oiaohm | Most countries have forgot the importance of making you own things. | Feb 02 23:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | No, they know the importance | Feb 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Dubai............ | Feb 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: what's up? | Feb 02 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why we bail out a select few steel and auto companines here | Feb 02 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Feb 02 23:38 |
| jweyrich | hi schestowitz. almost dying under 40 celsius. what's up there? | Feb 02 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so we can continue to make tanks, guns for war here. That we cannot depend on the Chinesse for | Feb 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Everything OK? | Feb 02 23:38 |
| oiaohm | How many of those companis can operate without computers Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: how can it be so hot near the equator? | Feb 02 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Same with war Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: cash for clunkers | Feb 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | To sell steel to China.. | Feb 02 23:39 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: I'm at southern brazil. | Feb 02 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | steel for tanks | Feb 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Land of culture, people | Feb 02 23:39 |
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| schestowitz | Here we can't talk to people | Feb 02 23:40 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Grande_do_Sul | Feb 02 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | I spent a lot of time talking to friend today, though. Here if you speak to stranger you're a TERROR~1/Pedo/lunatic | Feb 02 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Big point here being armed for war is worthless if you population falls appart. | Feb 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | More so than in the US | Feb 02 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Fighting a war to get something normally destories what you are after. | Feb 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: like in USSR | Feb 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Arms and "IP" are not enough | Feb 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/battle_titans.php | Feb 02 23:42 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> I am not defending war. Not at all, I am just saying that the gov here supports these industries, because they cannot depend on other countries to arm the military. | Feb 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | balzac: hey, you there? | Feb 02 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What other reason can there be to try and prop up General Motors? Sure the Unions, thats one. But GM has lost billions since the bailout and the reorg | Feb 02 23:43 |
| oiaohm | So sharing of ideas is dieing schestowitz | Feb 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | GM has Microsoft's CFO (book cook) now | Feb 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not dying | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Made more economic | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | For HP, IBM, etc. | Feb 02 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, like that will really help GM, MS personal | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | They are not in tech | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | So better there than in Juniper | Feb 02 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it might be another scam | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | But GM -- like Ford and Kia -- can become prey to malware | Feb 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Like that ZUne junk .... SYNC... and Kia's is called another name | Feb 02 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | GM will become another MS "partner" | Feb 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer's dad would be proud | Feb 02 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how will MS software in cars be a good thing for anyone, I cannot see | Feb 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Linux.com news feed SUCKS | Feb 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: sometimes people want to drive the car over a cliff | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | For insurance money | Feb 02 23:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | windows will be good for that | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | They call buy Microsoft Windows Abyss | Feb 02 23:46 |
| jweyrich | heh, sachs is founded over a ponzi scheme. that shows how criminals still influence most countries. | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Well... | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Madoff does the same | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | But they are "big" banks | Feb 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | So they are off the hook | Feb 02 23:46 |
| jweyrich | most bankers do. if it isn't ponzi, it's another scheme. pyramid, whatever. | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Lending | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | And it's wonderful | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | They have "back" | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | If it collapses, Bamabama comes and save them | Feb 02 23:47 |
| jweyrich | money dictates. | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Or Bush | Feb 02 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, you see, most western countries are in the same economic boat, so to speak. They are all in doubt, mostly | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | It's not Obama's fault quite | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | But he could maybe let them drown | Feb 02 23:47 |
| jweyrich | they're the source of power to the government. | Feb 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I'd love to have seen it | Feb 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | UBS was the same | Feb 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | There's that universal corruption | Feb 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | The film crew I met yesterday said they can't film anywhere near the bank | Feb 02 23:48 |
| oiaohm | I wish I could find the one from denton here explaining how the finance market works. | Feb 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | The banks in .ch are very sensitive about public attention | Feb 02 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bama might be a little better than Bush, but we deserve better than both. Sadly I think we will not get that. | Feb 02 23:49 |
| schestowitz | I have a good one, oiaohm | Feb 02 23:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpodeegBvuM | Feb 02 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Not at moment I kinda on max downloads | Feb 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I love how they put it | Feb 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | "Good-looking papers..." | Feb 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | aka "money" | Feb 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | But let me find the simpler video | Feb 02 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Add it to videos to look at in future | Feb 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8 (Money As Debt (1 of 5)) | Feb 02 23:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: good. | Feb 02 23:51 |
| jweyrich | let me count: maddoff, AIG< ebbers, scrushy, krueger... more? | Feb 02 23:52 |
| schestowitz | It is not being taught at schools (black box mentality) | Feb 02 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Teach kids about money, don't explain what it is | Feb 02 23:52 |
| schestowitz | I love making people stare when I ask them a question like, "what is money. Explain to me." | Feb 02 23:52 |
| jweyrich | when I was a kid, I thought it was just "passing the card", or using the "cheque". lol | Feb 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | I guess some people didn't hear about countries like Cambodia where money was flying in the streets, totally worthless | Feb 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | People would not bother picking it up from the ground | Feb 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | cheque is funnier | Feb 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | it's variable | Feb 02 23:53 |
| cubezzz | money is crystalized effort | Feb 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | it's a note from your bank like a note from your mommy saying, "pay danny with some apples" | Feb 02 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | money in its current form is only a "promise." | Feb 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | It used to be echangeable | Feb 02 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | nothing more | Feb 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | With gold in reserves | Feb 02 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the money. | Feb 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | In a way, you still can, but no guarantees | Feb 02 23:54 |
| oiaohm | I do have a few real gold coins. | Feb 02 23:54 |
| jweyrich | we could create a new currency as well :) | Feb 02 23:54 |
| jweyrich | "that's worth X" | Feb 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: Nectar cards! | Feb 02 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Romans may have been one of the first to debase coins, using coins that only had a coating of precious metals | Feb 02 23:55 |
| cubezzz | why not just go back to coins for everything then? | Feb 02 23:55 |
| jweyrich | US + canada + mexico are moving to a unified currency, and only dozens of people know that. | Feb 02 23:55 |
| cubezzz | forget about paper | Feb 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: in some communal experiments in the 20th century people just exchange goods | Feb 02 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Then the Arabs invented paper money | Feb 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Milk, meat, wheat, bricks..... | Feb 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no way! | Feb 02 23:56 |
| jweyrich | yeah. that's where the "power" born. | Feb 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | According to Bush, the Arabs are just Barbarism | Feb 02 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Hmm jweyrich simple for people who cross the usa boarder. | Feb 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | And Iraq is a hellhole, according to the neocons | Feb 02 23:56 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: the unique focus is to save the economy of USA. | Feb 02 23:56 |
| jweyrich | they're copying EUR. | Feb 02 23:57 |
| jweyrich | when more countries influence how much the money is worth, becomes less likely to collapse. | Feb 02 23:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The economy of the USA, just like most western nations in debt, is likely beyond saving | Feb 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | poor logic jweyrich | Feb 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Combind money does not prevent collapse | Feb 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | If anything it makes it larger. | Feb 02 23:58 |
| jweyrich | I haven't said that. | Feb 02 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Or more stealth like. | Feb 02 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie areas get drained of money. | Feb 02 23:59 |
| jweyrich | take inflation/deflation for instance. | Feb 02 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Combind does not stop that from happening. | Feb 02 23:59 |
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