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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 5th, 2010

Chips_B_Malroywish those who have done bad, wellFeb 05 00:00
Chips_B_MalroyAh Goblin, you prefer the Star Wars analogy to the Roman one?Feb 05 00:01
MinceRturn the other cheek? :>Feb 05 00:01
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> not reallyFeb 05 00:02
Chips_B_MalroyI still think he needs to be suedFeb 05 00:02
Chips_B_Malroyand some extended jail time would be good tooFeb 05 00:02
Chips_B_Malroybut its not going happenFeb 05 00:02
_goblinChips_B_Malroy: No I think I like the Rome one now.Feb 05 00:03
_goblinChips_B_Malroy: Although when Ben Kinobi describes Mosisley Space port he was really talking about Microsoft..........Feb 05 00:04
_goblin"There has never been a more wretched hive of scum and villany"Feb 05 00:04
_goblinhe's got Microsoft spot on there.Feb 05 00:05
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer would fit in well with the Star Wars orginial movie bar sceneFeb 05 00:05
_goblinI see him more as one of the Hut'sFeb 05 00:05
Chips_B_Malroynice idea "Java the Ballmer"Feb 05 00:06
_goblinlol...Feb 05 00:06
Chips_B_Malroymake a nice graphicFeb 05 00:06
_goblinBallmer the Hutt...Feb 05 00:07
_goblinI don't think you would need to edit the photo, there is similarity there between the two.Feb 05 00:08
Chips_B_Malroylet see ksnapshot, wonder if I could use gimp to morph in the picture?Feb 05 00:08
_goblinhttp://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Jabba_Hutt-Sideshow-l.jpgFeb 05 00:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 05 00:08
_goblinand now steve.Feb 05 00:09
_goblinhttp://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images/steve-ballmer.jpgFeb 05 00:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 05 00:09
_goblinthe similarity is striking...Feb 05 00:09
Chips_B_MalroyI like the one from the 2nd movie with Java and the princess in the picture,  The woman running Yahoo would fit right in thisFeb 05 00:10
_goblin5th movie you mean....?Feb 05 00:10
FurnaceBoy_goblin: Welease Wodewick!Feb 05 00:10
_goblinlol....Feb 05 00:10
_goblinhe's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...now p&&& off!Feb 05 00:11
Chips_B_MalroyI think 2ndFeb 05 00:11
_goblinalthough you can't beat the best scene.....Feb 05 00:12
_goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKwFeb 05 00:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] New tech makes Lithium Ion batteries not suck http://ur1.ca/lhyaFeb 05 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   New technology extends lithium-ion battery life  .::. Size~: 42.31 KBFeb 05 00:12
Chips_B_Malroyanyway, I have to run, carry on the good workFeb 05 00:12
_goblintake care mate!Feb 05 00:12
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DaemonFCI have a nice Mandriva set up, but I must admit I was thrown off by fglrxFeb 05 00:21
DaemonFCit seems that they don't load the fglrx module if speedboot is enabled (which is the default)Feb 05 00:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-03-022-35-MM-SW-0000 "A Linux Insider endorsement of a Mono based app. [sarcasm] Who would have thought it? [/sarcasm]"Feb 05 00:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - F-Spot: An Able-Bodied All-in-One Image Machine .::. Size~: 73.63 KBFeb 05 00:22
schestowitzHa!!Feb 05 00:22
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/8639263831Feb 05 00:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: Harsh criticism of Microso ... .::. Size~: 10.38 KBFeb 05 00:22
schestowitzI'm tempted to reply to himFeb 05 00:22
schestowitzBut it would be perceived as borderline annoyanceFeb 05 00:22
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DaemonFCschestowitz: It caught me off guard when it fell back to vesa and told me that Compiz could not be enabledFeb 05 00:22
schestowitzI prefer not to communicate with the TurfersFeb 05 00:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: ATI?Feb 05 00:23
DaemonFCreally I have no idea why they would create such an obvious conflictFeb 05 00:23
DaemonFCyesFeb 05 00:23
schestowitzNo GPU is harshFeb 05 00:23
schestowitzIt's off when windows don't wobble and x redrawing is viisbleFeb 05 00:23
DaemonFCit's obvious that half (ish) of their users have ATI and will want the FGLRX driverFeb 05 00:23
schestowitzI got used to having it resolved and part of historyFeb 05 00:23
DaemonFCwhy couldn't they automatically shut off speedboot when you install FGLRX?Feb 05 00:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: HAHA, the url shortener is *.MSFeb 05 00:24
DaemonFCso users don't wonder why their fglrx driver isn't loadedFeb 05 00:24
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: so is JoeFeb 05 00:24
FurnaceBoy"At worst, you can say it's a highly repentant, largely accidental monopolist" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAFeb 05 00:24
*FurnaceBoy doesn't expect anything much from the NYTFeb 05 00:24
schestowitzaccidentalFeb 05 00:25
FurnaceBoyREPENTANT! ACCIDENTAL! "At worst"! HAHAHAHHAAAHAFeb 05 00:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: Couldn't they just use a script to shut off speedboot when you install FGLRX and turn it back on if you ever uninstall FGLRX?Feb 05 00:25
*FurnaceBoy facepalmsFeb 05 00:25
DaemonFCthe user would not even have to know it happenedFeb 05 00:25
schestowitzBundy was an accidental serial murderFeb 05 00:25
schestowitzHe just loves those women too much /sacasmFeb 05 00:25
schestowitz*sarcasm]Feb 05 00:25
DaemonFCBundy!! Bundy!! Bundy!!!Feb 05 00:25
schestowitzNot this oneFeb 05 00:25
DaemonFCoh wait, Ted, not Al :(Feb 05 00:25
schestowitzTedFeb 05 00:25
MinceRlolFeb 05 00:25
schestowitzThere's another crazy TedFeb 05 00:26
schestowitz[except T'so]Feb 05 00:26
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DaemonFCAl Bundy is one of my favorite TV show characters of all time, don't disrespect Al :)Feb 05 00:26
schestowitzI think we have agents hereFeb 05 00:26
AgentGood nightFeb 05 00:26
*Agent is now known as Guest55826Feb 05 00:26
*schestowitz looks for Microsoft spies, shivering in his bootsFeb 05 00:26
schestowitz:-)Feb 05 00:26
schestowitzHey. Guest55826Feb 05 00:26
DaemonFCschestowitz: You're going to laugh, but I actually lost my Windows 7 serialFeb 05 00:27
cubezzzoh noooesFeb 05 00:27
schestowitzI laugh at the serialFeb 05 00:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @josephtartakoff Harsh criticism of #Microsoft in NYT http://nyti.ms/cHfQNb <--only a shill like Tartakoff cd call this pandering "harsh"Feb 05 00:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Op-Ed Contributor - Microsofts Creative Destruction - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 55.59 KBFeb 05 00:27
schestowitzNot that you lost itFeb 05 00:27
DaemonFCI'll probably find it while I'm vacuuming one day :)Feb 05 00:27
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the sad part was you ever had one.Feb 05 00:27
_GoblindaemonFC: You say that like its a bad thing....Feb 05 00:27
schestowitzIf only I could find my "Linux serial"Feb 05 00:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ohnoesFeb 05 00:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: You use Red Hat? :DFeb 05 00:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: is your kernel Activated?Feb 05 00:28
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: is it PR masqueraded as criticism? I hate thoseFeb 05 00:28
DaemonFCI'm not that worried, I still have Windows Server 2008 R2 :PFeb 05 00:28
schestowitzLike the recent "world without Windows" BSFeb 05 00:28
DaemonFCsame thing reallyFeb 05 00:28
schestowitzThey use dramatic headlines to "inject" FUDFeb 05 00:28
cubezzzhmmm? actually that sounds rather good :)Feb 05 00:28
Guest55826Gentlemen, have you heard about M$ criticism in NYT ???Feb 05 00:28
schestowitzThat is, use headline to draw in readersFeb 05 00:28
schestowitzThen tell Microsoft PR pointsFeb 05 00:28
cubezzzlink usFeb 05 00:29
schestowitzAnd the Microsoft bloggers all seem to point to this WSJ pieceFeb 05 00:29
Guest55826http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.htmlFeb 05 00:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Op-Ed Contributor - Microsofts Creative Destruction - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 55.64 KBFeb 05 00:29
cubezzzor is it pay?Feb 05 00:29
schestowitzcubezzz: me can, me canFeb 05 00:29
schestowitzI need to read it properly laterFeb 05 00:29
Guest55826Ahhh, someone arrived firstFeb 05 00:29
Guest55826EhehehehehFeb 05 00:29
*DaemonFC wonders why every Linux distro lately thinks that broken Flash is better than none at allFeb 05 00:30
cubezzzis NY Times anti-Microsoft?Feb 05 00:30
MinceRbecause the web is thoroughly infected with Trash?Feb 05 00:30
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/black-hawk-crashes-germany/Feb 05 00:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: U.S. Black Hawk crashes in Germany |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 24.76 KBFeb 05 00:30
schestowitzDid any houses get hurt?Feb 05 00:30
DaemonFCcubezzz: The NY Times was running full page ads for Windows 95Feb 05 00:30
Guest55826But i got the link initially from:Feb 05 00:30
Guest55826http://www.gizmodo.com.br/conteudo/como-inovacao-morreu-na-microsoftFeb 05 00:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Como a inovação morreu na Microsoft | Gizmodo Brasil .::. Size~: 38.8 KBFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzcubezzz: no, it's VEYR pro-MicrosoftFeb 05 00:31
Guest55826GizmodoFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzMicrosoft was close to buying them allegedlyFeb 05 00:31
cubezzzah well if you pay enough...Feb 05 00:31
cubezzzyou can get a full pageFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzNY Times is zombieFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzIt'll dieFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzHUGE debtFeb 05 00:31
cubezzzall the papers seem in troubleFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzYesFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzDead business modelFeb 05 00:31
schestowitzSome just refuse to get the "memo"Feb 05 00:31
schestowitzBN too has no income at allFeb 05 00:32
schestowitzNever hadFeb 05 00:32
cubezzzyou have some ads though?Feb 05 00:32
cubezzzfor hosting?Feb 05 00:32
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Haiti PM says more than 200,000 deadFeb 05 00:32
schestowitzTHat's like 66 9/11sFeb 05 00:32
Guest55826R u considering to quit ?, Mr. Schestowitz ?Feb 05 00:33
schestowitzNo, why?Feb 05 00:33
Guest55826I hope not, since i love to read BNFeb 05 00:33
_Goblinhere we go.....Feb 05 00:33
schestowitzThanks!Feb 05 00:33
cubezzznot until the big check from Gates arrives!Feb 05 00:33
Guest55826You told you have no income...Feb 05 00:33
schestowitz_Goblin: huh?Feb 05 00:33
cubezzzj/k of course :)Feb 05 00:33
Guest55826Thought you were complaining at the harshes of life...Feb 05 00:34
schestowitzcubezzz: Gates writes cheques to evil-doersFeb 05 00:34
schestowitzLike Monsanto and NovartisFeb 05 00:34
_Goblinschestowitz: mark my words....it won't take long......the usual routine....Feb 05 00:34
_Goblinshcestowitz: "I like Linux but....."Feb 05 00:34
schestowitzWe'll see..Feb 05 00:34
Guest55826Who ?Feb 05 00:34
cubezzzthat kind of talk is sillyFeb 05 00:35
cubezzzI used Linux in 1994, but I strayed :-/Feb 05 00:35
schestowitz_Goblin: "why don't you just give UP?"Feb 05 00:35
_Goblinyep, thats a common one...Feb 05 00:35
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/haitian-children-allegedly-abducted-christian-group-reunited-parents/Feb 05 00:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Haitian children allegedly abducted by Christian group reunited with parents |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 29.75 KBFeb 05 00:35
cubezzzI always hated doze Feb 05 00:35
cubezzzsince 2.0Feb 05 00:36
cubezzznever tried 1.0 :)Feb 05 00:36
schestowitzDoze of Vodka!Feb 05 00:36
_Goblinor "hate filed basement dweller."Feb 05 00:36
cubezzzI'm sure I would have hated it thoughFeb 05 00:36
schestowitz_Goblin: I don't know yet... seems innocent Feb 05 00:36
_Goblinthey always do.Feb 05 00:36
schestowitzGuest55826: what's new anyway?Feb 05 00:36
cubezzzGates house is mostly underground Feb 05 00:36
schestowitzLet's use names that are easy to rememberFeb 05 00:36
schestowitzGuestxxxxxxxx is very geenricFeb 05 00:37
schestowitz*genericFeb 05 00:37
_Goblinguest55826: What distro are you running?Feb 05 00:37
cubezzzthe doze distro! ;-)Feb 05 00:37
_Goblinguest55826: you a slackware fan?Feb 05 00:37
schestowitzhttp://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2010/02/ron_ramsey_i_dont_know_whether.phpFeb 05 00:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ron Ramsey: 'I Don't Know' Whether Obama Is Kenyan - Nashville News - Nashville Scene - Pith in the Wind .::. Size~: 119.36 KBFeb 05 00:37
schestowitzOh, not *that* agaijnFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826Me ???Feb 05 00:38
schestowitzThey talk about smears and people, not policiesFeb 05 00:38
schestowitzGuest55826: try Pardus Feb 05 00:38
schestowitzIt looks niceFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826I use a lotFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826PuppyFeb 05 00:38
schestowitzUses KDE4Feb 05 00:38
Guest55826VectorFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826NoFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826KDE 3.5Feb 05 00:38
schestowitzYeahFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826Or XFCEFeb 05 00:38
schestowitzIt's good tooFeb 05 00:38
cubezzzyou guys always fall for the new stuff :)Feb 05 00:38
schestowitzI like KDE 4Feb 05 00:38
Guest55826Debian EtchFeb 05 00:38
schestowitz4.4 is out soonFeb 05 00:38
Guest55826KuruminFeb 05 00:38
schestowitzDebian is big in BrazilFeb 05 00:39
_GoblinThats quite a selection guest...Feb 05 00:39
Guest55826YupFeb 05 00:39
schestowitzAnd its derivativesFeb 05 00:39
Guest55826I'm from BrazilFeb 05 00:39
schestowitz_Goblin: it's cool!Feb 05 00:39
Guest55826And i started on Linux in the times Conectiva was greatFeb 05 00:39
_Goblinmy favorite Sf2 character comes from Brazil.Feb 05 00:39
Guest558262003Feb 05 00:39
schestowitzMandriva has a new site in BrazilFeb 05 00:39
Guest55826No...Feb 05 00:39
schestowitzThey announced it last weekFeb 05 00:39
Guest55826Not BlankaFeb 05 00:39
_GoblinyepFeb 05 00:39
Guest55826Blanka is a jokeFeb 05 00:39
schestowitzYeahFeb 05 00:40
FurnaceBoyhttp://mandriva.com/brFeb 05 00:40
DaemonFCI still don't get what their deal with booting 3 seconds faster and fucking over fglrx isFeb 05 00:40
schestowitzI never likes BlankaFeb 05 00:40
Guest55826At least Tekken is more respectful with BrazilFeb 05 00:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mandriva (Brasil) .::. Size~: 13.37 KBFeb 05 00:40
DaemonFCoh wellFeb 05 00:40
schestowitzI likes RyuFeb 05 00:40
schestowitz*likedFeb 05 00:40
_Goblinhey don't knock the blanka....he's the man.Feb 05 00:40
cubezzzWOrld Heroes 2 for me :)Feb 05 00:40
schestowitz_Goblin: it's a creatureFeb 05 00:40
Guest55826At least Eddy Gordo from Tekken fame is not a green electric monkey...Feb 05 00:40
schestowitzEven Zangief was somewhat humanFeb 05 00:40
_Goblinno he's not.....didn't you see the low budget movie?Feb 05 00:41
schestowitzClumsy thoughFeb 05 00:41
_Goblin*Blanka that is.Feb 05 00:41
schestowitz_Goblin: not yetFeb 05 00:41
cubezzzI saw the animeFeb 05 00:41
schestowitzJust trailerFeb 05 00:41
_Goblinah...Feb 05 00:41
_Goblinhe aint a monster....Feb 05 00:41
schestowitzCasablancaFeb 05 00:41
_GoblinlolFeb 05 00:41
Guest55826I'm eagerly waiting for Tekken movieFeb 05 00:41
_Goblinyou are?Feb 05 00:41
Guest55826Seems gr8Feb 05 00:41
_Goblinlets hope its not another Dead or aliveFeb 05 00:41
Guest55826JeeezFeb 05 00:41
_Goblinor even Street Fighter...Feb 05 00:41
Guest55826DOA suxFeb 05 00:41
MinceRi'm eagerly waiting for the Deadpool movieFeb 05 00:41
schestowitzLinux news has been pleasant recentlyFeb 05 00:42
_Goblinsf was only saved by the lovely Ms MinogueFeb 05 00:42
cubezzzwhen I started going to arcades the games were B&W :)Feb 05 00:42
schestowitzThere's less and less MSFT and NOVL to cover over timeFeb 05 00:42
schestowitzMSFT has no new productsFeb 05 00:42
Guest55826Well, it was a nice attempt for that timeFeb 05 00:42
schestowitzNOVL has nothing at all... and the staff runs awayFeb 05 00:42
_Goblincubezzz: I remmember those days, with the painted on backdrops!Feb 05 00:42
cubezzzhehFeb 05 00:42
Guest55826Folks, i guess this year Novell discloses it was bought by M$...Feb 05 00:43
schestowitzMy first PC run pacmanFeb 05 00:43
schestowitzI was privileged to play snooker on CGAFeb 05 00:43
_Goblinmine was Kings QuestFeb 05 00:43
schestowitz:-pFeb 05 00:43
Guest55826Ahhh, and you're from England ??? My first PC was a SinclairFeb 05 00:43
cubezzzearly PC games were pretty badFeb 05 00:43
schestowitzSome people grew up on vector displays (or none)Feb 05 00:43
_Goblin48k rubber keys ruleFeb 05 00:43
Guest55826YupFeb 05 00:43
Guest55826What happened to Sir Clive ???Feb 05 00:44
_Goblinstill alive...Feb 05 00:44
Guest55826He was DA MANFeb 05 00:44
Guest55826His machines were gr8Feb 05 00:44
_Goblinmmm not really....you know the 48k used rejected chips....Feb 05 00:44
Guest55826Well, here in Brazil they were a huge hitFeb 05 00:45
_Goblinsorry rejected memory chips...Feb 05 00:45
_Goblinand yeah they were popular here.Feb 05 00:45
Guest55826And in Spain and EuropeFeb 05 00:45
Guest55826I fondly remember the sofhouses from Spain and their games... Good old daysFeb 05 00:45
_Goblinload""Feb 05 00:46
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: boa noiteFeb 05 00:46
_Goblin"Start the tape and press any key"Feb 05 00:46
Guest55826Boa noiteFeb 05 00:46
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: antigamente usei o Sinclair ZX81, Acorn BBC Micro etc :)Feb 05 00:46
Guest55826R u from Brazil too, Furnace Boy ?Feb 05 00:46
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: nao, mas morava ai, e tenho um pouco de Pt :)Feb 05 00:47
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: de onde vc e?Feb 05 00:47
Guest55826Aqui no Brasil era o TK 85 e depois o TK 90Feb 05 00:47
Guest55826Do RGSFeb 05 00:47
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: legal. tenho alguns amigos aiFeb 05 00:47
Guest55826E onde vc está agora FB ?Feb 05 00:47
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: eu moro em CanadaFeb 05 00:47
Guest55826O Marcelo Branco ?Feb 05 00:48
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: nao.. mas o meu amigo de RG as vezes entra aquiFeb 05 00:48
Guest55826Hummm... Cool... Legal...Feb 05 00:48
cubezzzsaw a bing ad on the tube yesterdayFeb 05 00:48
cubezzzit was stupid :)Feb 05 00:48
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: vc tem um nick aqui?Feb 05 00:48
cubezzzpeople doing yoga at the officeFeb 05 00:48
_Goblinbeing seeing Chrome ads for a while at stations.Feb 05 00:48
_Goblin*beenFeb 05 00:49
Guest55826Até tenho, não sei o que deu que deu errado... Tenho senha e username para o BNFeb 05 00:49
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: ah claro, depois vou te encontrar com o meu amigo alguma vezFeb 05 00:49
Guest55826Ahhh, about Google and Chrome: Orkut was not working properly with Firefox untill this morning...Feb 05 00:50
FurnaceBoyaqui)Feb 05 00:50
Guest55826Pode serFeb 05 00:50
Guest55826Meu nick aqui é Agent_SmithFeb 05 00:50
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: o senhor rnb aqui tambem fala PtFeb 05 00:50
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: obrigado :)Feb 05 00:50
cubezzzDick Brass, is that a real name? :)Feb 05 00:51
FurnaceBoyafff, pretendo "depois vou te apresentar ao meu amigo aqui"Feb 05 00:51
Guest55826Bom, só passei para deixar o link do NYTFeb 05 00:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Nokia frees Symbian code, three or four overjoyed http://is.gd/7IWmJFeb 05 00:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nokia frees Symbian code, three or four overjoyed | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.75 KBFeb 05 00:51
Guest55826Well, just droped by to bring the NYT linkFeb 05 00:51
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: sim, eu ja "tweetei" isso, um minuto antes !Feb 05 00:51
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: que merda, esse artigoFeb 05 00:52
Guest55826Achei legalFeb 05 00:52
schestowitzWindows 7 kills batteries  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590085/windows-kills-batteriesFeb 05 00:52
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: "at worst, accidental monopolist" LOLLLLFeb 05 00:52
Guest55826Ahhh, não esseFeb 05 00:52
Guest55826O outro que eu trouxeFeb 05 00:52
FurnaceBoyoh...Feb 05 00:52
cubezzzyeah that's just naiveFeb 05 00:52
Guest55826Que os caras do NYT malham a M$Feb 05 00:52
schestowitzTwitter passwords compromised  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590285/twitter-passwords-compromisedFeb 05 00:52
cubezzz"knife the baby" wink winkFeb 05 00:52
FurnaceBoycubezzz: only somebody well paid to ignore the truth could write such liesFeb 05 00:52
schestowitzSomeone should take over @BillGates and post many links and confessions about the scam he writes /jokingFeb 05 00:53
cubezzzI think this Dick Brass guy is former MIcrosoft Feb 05 00:53
Guest55826Well, we're having a historic revisionism...Feb 05 00:53
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: seems soFeb 05 00:53
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: last resort of the fascistFeb 05 00:53
FurnaceBoy"They don't believe us any more!" "OK, so change the books"Feb 05 00:53
Guest55826And William Henry, who was clueless about the internetFeb 05 00:53
Guest55826Is now:Feb 05 00:53
Guest55826A pioneer ???Feb 05 00:54
Guest55826WTF ???Feb 05 00:54
cubezzzfunnyFeb 05 00:54
cubezzzthat's not what I rememberFeb 05 00:54
Guest55826In which planet ???Feb 05 00:54
Guest55826No...Feb 05 00:54
schestowitz"The company’s chief executive, Steve Ballmer, has continued to deliver huge profits. They totaled well over $100 billion in the past 10 years alone and help sustain the economies of Seattle, Washington State and the nation as a whole. Its founder, Bill Gates, is not only the most generous philanthropist in history, but has also inspired thousands of his employees to give generously themselves. No one in his right mind should wish Feb 05 00:54
schestowitzMicrosoft failure."Feb 05 00:54
schestowitzSeems like a trapFeb 05 00:54
schestowitzThe whole article might be an eye catcherFeb 05 00:54
schestowitzFor revisoonismFeb 05 00:54
schestowitzThat might also explain why all the Microturfers link to itFeb 05 00:54
Guest55826The man wrote a book, The Road Ahead, and had no hint of the internet...Feb 05 00:55
FurnaceBoyaccidental monopolist. HAHAHAHAHAFeb 05 00:55
*FurnaceBoy can't get over this lineFeb 05 00:55
FurnaceBoy"At worst..."Feb 05 00:55
Guest55826No wayFeb 05 00:55
Guest55826Those guys are plain evil. period.Feb 05 00:55
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 05 00:55
cubezzzthe employees always defend Microsoft thoughFeb 05 00:55
cubezzzeven after they leaveFeb 05 00:55
Guest55826And because of them, today my profession is not respected anymoreFeb 05 00:55
FurnaceBoyas I keep saying.. you only need to read the testimony in the various cases. Gates hangs himself a thousand times over with his own words.Feb 05 00:55
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: yes, as schestowitz would say, they have set the industry backwardsFeb 05 00:56
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: I estimate 40 years backwardsFeb 05 00:56
Guest55826YupFeb 05 00:56
Guest55826In plain portuguese:Feb 05 00:56
Guest55826Bill Gates nos tornou vigaristas e trapaceirosFeb 05 00:56
cubezzznah, 15 years maybeFeb 05 00:56
cubezzzbecause of AT&T break-upFeb 05 00:57
cubezzzwe got BSDFeb 05 00:57
Guest55826And today no one trusts computer related guysFeb 05 00:57
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's worse than that.Feb 05 00:57
Guest55826He (BG) made us look like hacks and scamsFeb 05 00:57
cubezzzThe GNU folks are still respected by someFeb 05 00:58
FurnaceBoycubezzz: MS is only now copying key innovations in UNIX that are 35 years old.Feb 05 00:58
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and they're only doing that because free software has embarrassed them so badlyFeb 05 00:58
Guest55826You know: The guy learns how to format C: and to install a pirate copy of M$ Office, and titles himself a computer technicianFeb 05 00:58
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: +1Feb 05 00:58
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: the tyranny of low expectations.Feb 05 00:58
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: people think Windows is "normal"Feb 05 00:59
Guest55826And so, those hacks give us a bad nameFeb 05 00:59
cubezzzI'm installing tons of Fedora on laptopsFeb 05 00:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: :)Feb 05 00:59
cubezzzpeople are starting to warm up to itFeb 05 00:59
Guest55826E então, esses vigaristas mancham o bom nome do resto...Feb 05 00:59
_GoblinIm a Fedora user....Feb 05 00:59
_Goblinvery decent distro.Feb 05 00:59
Guest55826E mesmo trabalhando com Linux, com o coração apertado, eu vejo a porcaria que tudo se tornouFeb 05 01:00
cubezzzI started with Darkstar actually :)Feb 05 01:00
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: You reminded me of that Saturday Night Live skit, "Lowered Expectations", the dating service for people who have given up and will take anythingFeb 05 01:00
DaemonFC:DFeb 05 01:00
cubezzz...and you still use doze :)Feb 05 01:01
Guest55826And even working with Linux i watch the mud everything went to...Feb 05 01:01
Guest55826Well, gentlemen, i enjoyed this time with youFeb 05 01:02
Guest55826But, got to go nowFeb 05 01:02
cubezzzI'd say bankers have the worse rep :)Feb 05 01:02
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: tchauFeb 05 01:02
FurnaceBoyGuest55826: ate a proximaFeb 05 01:03
Guest55826IntéFeb 05 01:03
Guest55826Se falamosFeb 05 01:03
Guest55826Eu vou aparecer com mais frequenciaFeb 05 01:03
FurnaceBoylegal.Feb 05 01:03
Guest55826CoolFeb 05 01:03
Guest55826:-DFeb 05 01:03
Guest55826Good night to every1Feb 05 01:03
Guest55826ByeFeb 05 01:03
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schestowitz[01:00] <cubezzz> I started with Darkstar actually :)Feb 05 01:03
schestowitzNow renamed IIRCFeb 05 01:03
schestowitzANd no more Che wallpaperFeb 05 01:04
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2010/01/26/crazy-emails-2016Feb 05 01:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Emails From Crazy People » Hes Got it All .::. Size~: 230.94 KBFeb 05 01:04
cubezzz"Dick Brass was a vice president at Microsoft from 1997 to 2004"Feb 05 01:04
cubezzzthere you goFeb 05 01:04
cubezzzand even he thinks Microsoft is slipping badlyFeb 05 01:05
FurnaceBoybut it was inevitable.Feb 05 01:05
cubezzzyeah the world's over-saturated with Microsoft crap :)Feb 05 01:05
FurnaceBoyi can't believe a high level insider could be surprised Feb 05 01:05
FurnaceBoythey're deliberately pretending ignoranceFeb 05 01:06
schestowitzPhoto frames are now inspected by FCC??????? http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/ipad-still-awaits-fcc-approval/?cs=39152Feb 05 01:06
FurnaceBoyto prolong the bubbleFeb 05 01:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: iPad Still Awaits FCC Approval | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 79.85 KBFeb 05 01:06
schestowitzcubezzz: they still need to check factsz]Feb 05 01:06
schestowitzThey print nonsenseFeb 05 01:06
schestowitzNot the firstFeb 05 01:06
schestowitzBN has other examples like thisFeb 05 01:06
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/07/microsoft-revisionists-nyt/Feb 05 01:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The New York Times, Hosted by Microsoft Revisionists  | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 107.35 KBFeb 05 01:07
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/26/gates-nyt-wunderkind/Feb 05 01:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rich Uncle Bill Comes to Visit the New York Times | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.85 KBFeb 05 01:07
schestowitzHe didn't go to the NYT for the toffees :-)Feb 05 01:08
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/google_bloggers_ends_ftp/Feb 05 01:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google calls time on Blogger FTP • The Register .::. Size~: 23.44 KBFeb 05 01:09
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good work.Feb 05 01:09
schestowitzThis man was a businessman by training, since childhoodFeb 05 01:09
schestowitzIt's PR toursFeb 05 01:09
schestowitz"I thanked Rose for all of his trips to Seattle and his willingness to distract a lot of time for the lawsuit." --Bill GatesFeb 05 01:10
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/uk_election_law/Feb 05 01:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Think Aussie election rules are draconian? Look at the UK's • The Register .::. Size~: 23.38 KBFeb 05 01:11
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/shepard_fairey_grandjury/ "Artist Shepard Fairey is facing a Grand Jury probe for falsifying evidence in a copyright case. Fairey was suing Associated Press over the use of an copyright image Fairey had used as the basis for a popular Obama election poster."Feb 05 01:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Obama plagiarist has a legal posse • The Register .::. Size~: 21.27 KBFeb 05 01:11
schestowitzAndrew Orlowski  is a pro-monopoly troll, since foreverFeb 05 01:11
schestowitz"Another of Sun Microsystem's almost-practical projects for Java has been shuttered now that Oracle holds the purse strings. Project Darkstar, an open-source application server catered specifically for massively multiplayer online games, will no longer receive Snoracle funding."Feb 05 01:12
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/oracle_lights_out_for_project_darkstar/Feb 05 01:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Oracle: destroyer of virtual worlds • The Register .::. Size~: 23.61 KBFeb 05 01:12
schestowitzThey could keep it going..Feb 05 01:13
schestowitzBut only if all the characters were EllisonsFeb 05 01:13
schestowitzLike MalkobvichFeb 05 01:13
schestowitzThew Register is still filled with FOSS-hostile moles... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/mpeg_la_h_264_codec_licence/Feb 05 01:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: H.264 video codec stays royalty-free for HTML5 testers • The Register .::. Size~: 23.54 KBFeb 05 01:16
schestowitzKelly and Gavin are the lead Microsoft molesFeb 05 01:16
schestowitzNote the startFeb 05 01:16
schestowitz"Freetards"Feb 05 01:16
schestowitzInfighting in binaryLand(R) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/adobe_responds_to_apple/Feb 05 01:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Adobe to Jobs: 'What the Flash do you know?' • The Register .::. Size~: 27.39 KBFeb 05 01:18
Aondoand "which Mozilla recently bitched  about,"Feb 05 01:21
Aondo:PFeb 05 01:21
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FurnaceBoyoh boy. Mundie calls for "internet driver's license"Feb 05 01:25
FurnaceBoywell, microsoft products aren't suitable to be connected to the public internet, so taht's a risky direction...Feb 05 01:25
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DaemonFC"He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."Feb 05 01:36
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 01:36
FurnaceBoySean Connery, The Untouchables?Feb 05 01:37
DaemonFCyepFeb 05 01:37
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 01:37
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tessier"I'll take anal bum cover for $500, Alex!"Feb 05 01:40
schestowitzMust be a PITAFeb 05 01:46
schestowitz*LOL*: http://openattitude.com/2010/02/03/whats-up-with-the-symbian-foundation/Feb 05 01:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Whats up with the Symbian Foundation? | Open attitude. .::. Size~: 30.79 KBFeb 05 01:52
schestowitzLooks like the jetpack if humping the cowFeb 05 01:52
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/status/8656593216Feb 05 01:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: @qu1j0t3 Pandering? .::. Size~: 10.21 KBFeb 05 01:56
*FurnaceBoy sighsFeb 05 01:56
schestowitzwhat did you tell him?Feb 05 02:00
DaemonFChmmmm, World Of Goo does not work on newer Linux distributions without a patchFeb 05 02:00
schestowitzbtw, he mailed me beforeFeb 05 02:00
schestowitzhe reads BNFeb 05 02:00
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/8654662480Feb 05 02:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: RT @josephtartakoff Harsh  ... .::. Size~: 10.6 KBFeb 05 02:01
schestowitzHaaaaaaa....Feb 05 02:01
schestowitzJust explain the article is chock full of revisoonismFeb 05 02:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no, anyone who can defend the phrase, "At worst, accidental monopolist," is living in a different universe.Feb 05 02:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: beyond helpFeb 05 02:02
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sebsebsebWell this could be worth tryingFeb 05 02:07
sebsebsebhttp://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686-54010.shtmlFeb 05 02:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Download Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686 Final for Linux - The Ultimate Debian LiveCD! A Megagog plethora of Browsers, utilities, & rescue apps! - Softpedia .::. Size~: 52.65 KBFeb 05 02:07
sebsebsebhttp://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686-Screenshot-54010.htmlFeb 05 02:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686 Screenshots, screen capture - Softpedia .::. Size~: 37.22 KBFeb 05 02:08
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: accidental like in the tortoise and the scorpionFeb 05 02:24
schestowitzhttp://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2010/01/its-their-nature.htmlFeb 05 02:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ShrinkWrapped: Its Their Nature .::. Size~: 54.31 KBFeb 05 02:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's astonishing chutzpah to lie like thatFeb 05 02:24
schestowitz"I could not help myself. It is my nature." Feb 05 02:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: setting something upFeb 05 02:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the next stage is to deny any monopoly at allFeb 05 02:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and anyone who tries to suggest it is a shrill anti-business haterFeb 05 02:25
schestowitzLet alone abuseFeb 05 02:25
schestowitzI saw that beforeFeb 05 02:25
schestowitzPR job well doneFeb 05 02:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightFeb 05 02:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "they hate us for our success"Feb 05 02:25
schestowitzBill Gates as saviour of EarthFeb 05 02:25
schestowitzCall David IrvingFeb 05 02:25
schestowitzMaybe he can do for Gates what he's doing for HitlerFeb 05 02:25
FurnaceBoyyes. the epitome of the american dream; an American son; Normal Rockwell; Ayn Rand; Carnegie; Rockefeller; ...Feb 05 02:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: noFeb 05 02:26
schestowitzthe common one is:Feb 05 02:26
schestowitz"he's just jealous of Gates"Feb 05 02:26
schestowitzAnd it's repeated a lotFeb 05 02:26
schestowitzDon't like Gates -> JealousFeb 05 02:26
schestowitzDon't like the US -> they envy McDonaldsFeb 05 02:26
schestowitzIt's defenses of sortsFeb 05 02:26
schestowitzTrivilaising criticismFeb 05 02:26
schestowitzOpposes Gaza attacks => anti-SemiteFeb 05 02:27
schestowitz"Microsoft is often unfairly criticized, says former vice president Dick Brass,"Feb 05 02:30
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/04/microsoft-exec-sabot.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29Feb 05 02:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft exec "sabotaged" Tablet PC software development  Boing Boing .::. Size~: 95.46 KBFeb 05 02:30
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/04/dont-be-evil-meet-sp.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29Feb 05 02:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 'Don't Be Evil,' Meet 'Spy on Everyone': How the NSA Deal Could Kill Google Boing Boing .::. Size~: 47.01 KBFeb 05 02:31
schestowitzhttp://mediactive.com/2010/02/02/the-future-of-journalism-education/Feb 05 02:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mediactive » The Future of Journalism Education .::. Size~: 65.17 KBFeb 05 02:32
FurnaceBoyyes, trivialising.Feb 05 02:40
FurnaceBoybut the sick part is... half of those who react with this misdirective nonsense actually believe tropes such as "they hate us for our freedoms".Feb 05 02:41
FurnaceBoyit's tragic.Feb 05 02:41
FurnaceBoyyes, i hate you for your travel bans, warrantless wiretaps, out-of-control border guards, corporate hegemony... truly ye live in paradiseFeb 05 02:42
schestowitziCult Mac Store http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBfSHcaMO4Feb 05 02:44
schestowitzMinceR will like itFeb 05 02:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: one man's freedom can be an illusionFeb 05 02:45
schestowitzIn the US, you hardly have the freedom to speak to strangersFeb 05 02:45
FurnaceBoyi know.Feb 05 02:45
schestowitzAFAIK, It's different in other countriesFeb 05 02:45
sebsebsebGood article http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/11309.htmlFeb 05 02:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes it is .Feb 05 02:45
schestowitzCages societyFeb 05 02:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux is not hard, it's ignored .::. Size~: 36.27 KBFeb 05 02:45
schestowitz*CagedFeb 05 02:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: here for instance. people are not afraid of strangers.Feb 05 02:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I have many anecdotes from the USA. they are terrified of strangers.Feb 05 02:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: 24/7 film/tv bombardment does itFeb 05 02:46
schestowitzYou should be afraid of cancerus things and carsFeb 05 02:46
schestowitzNot peopleFeb 05 02:46
schestowitzPeople hardly kill one anotherFeb 05 02:46
schestowitzUnless they are inside an automobileFeb 05 02:46
schestowitzOr use their cellphone next to someone else's brainFeb 05 02:46
schestowitz:-pFeb 05 02:46
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: well, people react to their environment as they see in filmsFeb 05 02:47
schestowitzMore so than learnt from parentsFeb 05 02:47
schestowitzNow we have televisionbFeb 05 02:47
schestowitzGood indoctrination toolFeb 05 02:47
schestowitzIt shows people how to be "normal"Feb 05 02:47
schestowitz"Don't speak to people in the streets, unless you ask for direction, which would still be strange"Feb 05 02:47
schestowitz"Trust nobody"Feb 05 02:47
schestowitz"Don't tell the opposite sex you like him/her"Feb 05 02:48
schestowitz"[cause to be an arse and play hard to get is sssssssoooooo much more socially apt..]"Feb 05 02:48
FurnaceBoyfilm and tv supplies the world they are too afraid to try in personFeb 05 02:49
FurnaceBoyit's entirely falseFeb 05 02:49
FurnaceBoyit's astonishing, the perfection of the self-imprisonment.Feb 05 02:49
FurnaceBoyhermeticFeb 05 02:49
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schestowitzThis is also funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaE0uathXJAFeb 05 02:56
schestowitzRelated to the above discussionFeb 05 02:56
schestowitzYou'd see whyFeb 05 02:56
*FurnaceBoy checksFeb 05 02:57
sebsebsebhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2010012200135NWEMFeb 05 03:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - BAE Systems uses MontaVista Linux in gun systems .::. Size~: 80.84 KBFeb 05 03:01
sebsebsebinteresting commentsFeb 05 03:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: HAHAFeb 05 03:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's GREATFeb 05 03:02
sebsebseboh yeah and nice one Sweeds I guessFeb 05 03:03
sebsebseband no one here right now seems to care about the link I been giving out, but oh well I guessFeb 05 03:03
sebsebseblinks aboveFeb 05 03:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I heard about that caseFeb 05 03:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: insaneFeb 05 03:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this is the most awesome youtube video i have seen for some time. thanks.Feb 05 03:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ed Catmull is such a nice guy. Frank insights from #Pixar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc #business #success #failureFeb 05 03:17
DaemonFCWould anyone know why my games are sounding grainy in Mandriva?Feb 05 03:17
DaemonFCper chanceFeb 05 03:17
DaemonFCthink "tin can in a garbage disposal"Feb 05 03:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Success hides problems..When u're healthy & u've got the resources, u don't *need* to address the problems" metaphor for 1st World; CatmullFeb 05 03:21
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schestowitzsebsebseb: i saW IT BEFORE (oops, caps)Feb 05 03:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: which?Feb 05 03:33
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: sunscribe to this dudeFeb 05 03:33
schestowitzsebsebseb: bothFeb 05 03:34
schestowitzLinux Today is slowFeb 05 03:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tycond @qu1j0t3 Use Covert Hypnosis in your Business // no, i think twitter spam is the more sustainable concept, thankyou!Feb 05 03:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If you have a good idea and you give it to a mediocre group, they'll screw it up" Catmull 22:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDcFeb 05 03:39
DaemonFCisn't it easier to fix the caps than to point out you typed them? :)Feb 05 03:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If you give a mediocre idea to a good group, they'll fix it." Catmull 22:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDcFeb 05 03:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "They should be re-making BAD #movies." Catmull 25:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc #pixarFeb 05 03:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: NO, WHAT KIND OF IDIOT ARE YOU?Feb 05 03:46
*FurnaceBoy feels better alreadyFeb 05 03:47
*DaemonFC slaps FurnaceBoy with Windows Vista Ultimate Edition for 32-bit x86 OEM versionFeb 05 03:49
DaemonFC:PFeb 05 03:49
DaemonFCthat'll be $280 pleaseFeb 05 03:49
FurnaceBoyrightFeb 05 03:49
FurnaceBoycome and get it Feb 05 03:49
*FurnaceBoy has plenty of better things to spend $280 on.Feb 05 03:50
FurnaceBoylike... dinner for two.Feb 05 03:50
DaemonFCshe went for the lobster?Feb 05 03:50
FurnaceBoyheheFeb 05 03:50
DaemonFCdamn, you better be getting something for thatFeb 05 03:50
DaemonFC:DFeb 05 03:50
FurnaceBoyyes. ordinarily a really good dinner for two here would be $80-$100Feb 05 03:50
FurnaceBoynever spent $280Feb 05 03:50
FurnaceBoybut man, tempting.Feb 05 03:50
DaemonFCyeah, you can pay whatever you want for whatever they can convince you to pay it forFeb 05 03:51
DaemonFCI have some beach front property in Oklahoma for the people that bought Vista UltimateFeb 05 03:51
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 05 03:51
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you have cracked the Gates CodeFeb 05 03:52
cubezzzVista Ultimate! oooooooooFeb 05 03:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: congratulationsFeb 05 03:52
cubezzzI'll try and hold myself back :)Feb 05 03:52
DaemonFCit's like Vista, only more Ultimate*Feb 05 03:52
DaemonFC*(3 crappy extras and then fuck you, we're out of here!)Feb 05 03:52
cubezzzhow much was win95 when it first came out?Feb 05 03:54
cubezzzI assume the doze prices have gone up since thenFeb 05 03:55
DaemonFCnot really, noFeb 05 03:55
DaemonFCif you take inflation into account, they've gone down Feb 05 03:55
FurnaceBoywell ain't that greatFeb 05 03:55
DaemonFCassuming you map Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 95Feb 05 03:55
DaemonFCI think Windows 95 was $209 but the upgrade was $99Feb 05 03:57
DaemonFCI'm not totally for sure on the retail one thoughFeb 05 03:57
DaemonFCthe upgrade would install without a previous version of Windows on the system thoughFeb 05 03:57
DaemonFCit still willFeb 05 03:58
DaemonFCthe problem with the upgrade is the same problem with the OEM version, Microsoft will never reactivate it on another PCFeb 05 03:58
cubezzzhehFeb 05 03:59
cubezzzFurnaceBoy is not impressedFeb 05 03:59
FurnaceBoy"I do believe that human organizations are inherently unstable. They will fall over. And we have to work to keep them upright. But they fall slowly. Most people don't notice." -- Ed CatmullFeb 05 03:59
cubezzzwhich civilization lasted the longest?Feb 05 04:00
FurnaceBoy"The curse is on the people who don't listen." -- CatmullFeb 05 04:00
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: Windows 95 upgrade was $99, Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade is $129. But $129 in 2010 dollars is something like $90 in 1995Feb 05 04:00
FurnaceBoymeans nothing to me.Feb 05 04:00
FurnaceBoynot a part of my worldFeb 05 04:00
DaemonFCso the Windows 7 upgrade is effectively $10 cheaper than Windows 95 :)Feb 05 04:00
FurnaceBoyi have other things to spend money onFeb 05 04:01
DaemonFCbut it's $10 cheaperFeb 05 04:01
cubezzzlike $280 seafood dinners :)Feb 05 04:01
FurnaceBoycubezzz: i never did that ;-)Feb 05 04:01
DaemonFCyou can go to McDonalds and get lunch on the way back from buying Windows 7Feb 05 04:01
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but i like the fantasyFeb 05 04:01
DaemonFCor maybe get 3.5 gallons of gasFeb 05 04:01
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the easiest way to burn $200 is on alcohol. you get top notch food here cheap.Feb 05 04:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i don't drive. I can get anywhere for $3Feb 05 04:01
cubezzzI assume you did use doze at one time though?Feb 05 04:02
FurnaceBoycubezzz: of course not.Feb 05 04:02
cubezzznever?Feb 05 04:02
FurnaceBoynever.Feb 05 04:02
cubezzzimpressiveFeb 05 04:02
FurnaceBoyeasyFeb 05 04:02
DaemonFCgiven a week or maybe a monthFeb 05 04:02
cubezzzI wish I could say the sameFeb 05 04:02
DaemonFCdon't you have to eat and sleep?Feb 05 04:02
DaemonFCyour body requires refueling and that's not cheap :DFeb 05 04:03
cubezzzhe uses nodoze :)Feb 05 04:03
FurnaceBoycubezzz: caffeine :)Feb 05 04:03
DaemonFCreminds me of when I worked at Walmart and the cashier thought this old woman was asking where the vibrators and dildos whereFeb 05 04:03
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right. food is a major cost centre in this household.Feb 05 04:03
DaemonFCturned out she wanted Vivarin and No-DozFeb 05 04:03
cubezzzthere's a pill.... yeahFeb 05 04:04
cubezzzno-doz :)Feb 05 04:04
cubezzzclose enoughFeb 05 04:04
FurnaceBoycubezzz: i am sure there is, but i find it's more fun to just drink espresso :)Feb 05 04:04
cubezzzI drink a lot of teaFeb 05 04:05
cubezzzhttp://www.shopinprivate.com/nodpilnodoz6.htmlFeb 05 04:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NoDoz Pills - No Doze - 60 .::. Size~: 93.79 KBFeb 05 04:06
cubezzzmaximum strength :)Feb 05 04:06
cubezzzI know a couple of guys from academia who never used dozeFeb 05 04:07
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schestowitz[03:39] <DaemonFC> isn't it easier to fix the caps than to point out you typed them? :)Feb 05 04:12
schestowitzNot while you eat :-)Feb 05 04:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you insensitive clod!Feb 05 04:12
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I've worked in doze-free businesses.Feb 05 04:12
FurnaceBoycubezzz: most of my careerFeb 05 04:12
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and I have no inclination to change thatFeb 05 04:13
schestowitzgnFeb 05 04:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: niteFeb 05 04:13
cubezzznite schestowitzFeb 05 04:13
DaemonFCOK, so notes for anyone with an AMD/ATI setup trying to install Mandriva 2010, turn off glitch free pulseaudio and speedboot otherwise your FGLRX driver won't load and your games that use SDL will sound like a tin can going through a garbage disposalFeb 05 04:14
DaemonFCbearing that in mind, it does work once you do thatFeb 05 04:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i thought fglrx was dead.Feb 05 04:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it doesn't even support my R500 series card now.Feb 05 04:14
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: Not as dead as it should beFeb 05 04:15
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 05 04:15
DaemonFCthey're still doing monthly releases where they fix 4-5 bugs that I'm not experiencing, don't add X Server 1.7 support, and leave me waiting another monthFeb 05 04:15
DaemonFCby the time they support X Server 1.7, 1.8 will be outFeb 05 04:15
DaemonFCthe open source driver is not coming along so quicklyFeb 05 04:16
DaemonFCtoo much texture corruption for games to be playable, Compiz is a little smoother thoughFeb 05 04:17
Diablo-D3ermFeb 05 04:17
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: apart from just not supporting my hardware, the open source driver gave me DRI and solved a lot of my performance issues in xorgFeb 05 04:17
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: r500 you sure?Feb 05 04:17
FurnaceBoyouipsFeb 05 04:17
FurnaceBoyapart from fglrx not supporting my hardwaree*Feb 05 04:17
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: yes, current fglrx doesn't support it.Feb 05 04:17
Diablo-D3thats xX00 through x1X00 isnt it?Feb 05 04:18
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: i guess so, my specific model is X1650 ProFeb 05 04:18
Diablo-D3I didnt know thatFeb 05 04:18
Diablo-D3I thought they only discontinued r300/400 recentlyFeb 05 04:18
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: I was surprised, but... that's what I found out.Feb 05 04:18
DaemonFCr780 support in the open source driver sucksFeb 05 04:18
Diablo-D3r300/400 is 100% supported under DRI _except_ for shadersFeb 05 04:18
DaemonFCactually I think Mesa/Gallium3d is a lot of the problemFeb 05 04:19
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: I could not get anything with fglrx on this card.Feb 05 04:19
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: later i found out they abandoned R500.Feb 05 04:19
DaemonFCDiablo-D3: What is it with ATI cards, Linux, and shaders?Feb 05 04:19
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: which is pretty poor, it's only a 2007 modelFeb 05 04:19
oiaohmGallium3d is required for shadersFeb 05 04:19
DaemonFCno matter what driver you're using, you have shader problemsFeb 05 04:19
DaemonFCyou just don't hit those with FGLRX until you play some games in WineFeb 05 04:20
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: What is happening to flgrx is following road map to the letter.Feb 05 04:20
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: one day flgrx will cease to exist and that is the plan.Feb 05 04:20
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: right, i think you told me that before. well, that's fine, i've moved to oss driverFeb 05 04:21
oiaohmThe drop of R500 is more presure to increase development on the open source drivers.Feb 05 04:21
FurnaceBoyit certainly will push the user base :)Feb 05 04:21
oiaohmAMD did state that plan when they started going OSS driver.Feb 05 04:22
oiaohmR500 other than shaders the OSS driver out performed the old FGLRXFeb 05 04:22
*cubezzz just wants fast video with no binary blobsFeb 05 04:23
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oiaohmcubezzz: just there is no fast way to get there.Feb 05 04:23
cubezzz:-/Feb 05 04:24
oiaohmGraphics stacks are stacks.Feb 05 04:24
oiaohmYou have to build each level before you can build the next.Feb 05 04:25
oiaohmThat is part of the reason why the OSS ATI driver is takening so long.Feb 05 04:25
oiaohmIs not something that works that great is pure parell development until the stack is formed.Feb 05 04:25
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cubezzzisn't there some old card that is understood 100%?Feb 05 04:25
oiaohmR100 and R200 no shaders.  cubezzzFeb 05 04:26
oiaohmIe the card does not support it.Feb 05 04:26
cubezzzokFeb 05 04:26
cubezzzhow old are those?Feb 05 04:26
oiaohmIs not just how old they are.  Sections of the R100 and R200 cards source code is even still need by evergreenFeb 05 04:27
oiaohmReason why I said they are stacks.  Each card is a improvement on the older ones cubezzzFeb 05 04:27
oiaohmR300-R500 are the same basic shader system cubezzzFeb 05 04:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT: @charlesmok US Police want backdoor to Web users' private data http://ping.fm/RoMxJ #netfreedomFeb 05 04:30
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cubezzzwell, I'm assuming there was a point where the drivers were simpleFeb 05 04:30
oiaohmR600-evergreen are basically the same shader system.Feb 05 04:30
oiaohmIts going to come in large chunks.Feb 05 04:31
cubezzze.g. if we go back to ega or something really oldFeb 05 04:31
cubezzzthen there was some point where it got so complex that no FOSS driver existedFeb 05 04:31
oiaohmR100 and R200 have had open source drivers for a very long time.Feb 05 04:32
oiaohmThey are basically before ATI got nasty about giving people information.Feb 05 04:32
cubezzzok, I think I'll buy a R200 thenFeb 05 04:33
oiaohm8500 - 9200 << R200 are those cardsFeb 05 04:33
cubezzzso I can build a 100% FOSS systemFeb 05 04:33
oiaohmR100 are 7000Feb 05 04:33
oiaohmBut if you get something up in the R500 range you will have more function that what a R200 will give you with the open source drivers.Feb 05 04:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: Microsoft's creative destruction : http://is.gd/7JpMLFeb 05 04:34
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oiaohmEven that its not fully able to use everything yet.  cubezzzFeb 05 04:34
oiaohmhttp://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature  Like they have started work on video decoding accelerations for the R300-R500 that the old closed source driver never provided.Feb 05 04:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Missing fossmeet this year RT @jainbasil: Going 2 Calicut 2day, for #fossmeet @ NITC. Hope 2 meet @hfactor, @pradeepto, @sujithh and more :)Feb 05 04:36
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oiaohmMost people today forget the times of dos and the like if you did not release specs people did not use your devices.Feb 05 04:41
oiaohmOr were not in the computer world at that time.Feb 05 04:41
cubezzzmy rememberance is that companies used to always give programming specsFeb 05 04:42
cubezzze.g. in the 80s Feb 05 04:42
oiaohmThe end of that was Windows 95Feb 05 04:42
cubezzzindeedFeb 05 04:42
oiaohmWe are now seeing the tide starting to turn against being closed spec.Feb 05 04:43
cubezzzI still remember those horrible winmodemsFeb 05 04:43
oiaohmIf you go back to some of the early mainframes in the 70~s and the war times closed specs in the time.Feb 05 04:43
oiaohmI still have to deal with horrible winmodems.Feb 05 04:44
oiaohmIt seams to be a 10 to 20 year cycle.Feb 05 04:44
DaemonFCcubezzz: Regarding Winmodems, some of these wireless chipsets still aren't far off from thatFeb 05 04:57
DaemonFCbut at least that's improving, especially with the open source broadcom firmwareFeb 05 04:57
cubezzzyeah it's creeping in againFeb 05 04:57
cubezzzHalloween docs come to mind Feb 05 04:57
DaemonFCwell, Ralink, Intel, and most Broadcom should just work, most newer Atheros should just workFeb 05 04:57
DaemonFCbut there's still some bad ones out there, and it's hard to tell what you're buying exactlyFeb 05 04:58
oiaohmMost of the wireless  chipsets makers have changed mind over closed source.Feb 05 04:58
DaemonFCI think the Broadcoms that work now without the proprietary firmware are reverse engineeredFeb 05 04:58
DaemonFCbut who cares, they workFeb 05 04:59
oiaohmWith the failure rate of wireless encryption it has not been good.Feb 05 04:59
*DaemonFC wonders if his Netgear WPN111 works nowFeb 05 04:59
*DaemonFC goes to find itFeb 05 04:59
cubezzzI think wireless should be avoid if possibleFeb 05 04:59
oiaohmBroadcom has stated on the firmware they will not assist but they will not attack either.Feb 05 04:59
DaemonFCso basically, what Nvidia told NouveauFeb 05 05:00
DaemonFCNvidia probably knows that Nouveau is spinning their wheels and will never keep up with them anywayFeb 05 05:01
oiaohmBroadcom is assisting on the code above the firmwarFeb 05 05:01
oiaohmeFeb 05 05:01
DaemonFCthey're not expecting Nouveau to come to fruition or they'd already be litigatingFeb 05 05:01
oiaohmwhere Nvidia is not.Feb 05 05:01
DaemonFCso Broadcom probably doesn't own the rights to their own firmwareFeb 05 05:01
DaemonFCworried that they'll be sued if they help with the firmware?Feb 05 05:02
oiaohmBy Broadcom not assisting in the firmware they cannot end up on the wrong side country restrctions.Feb 05 05:02
DaemonFCoiaohm: I think it's a stupid business practice to license stuff out to using in your own driver for your own hardwareFeb 05 05:02
DaemonFCthat's me thoughFeb 05 05:02
DaemonFC*to useFeb 05 05:02
oiaohmIe they own the rights but regulators radio and open source don't mix too well yet.  DaemonFCFeb 05 05:02
DaemonFCoh, so they're afraid they'll piss off the FCC or something?Feb 05 05:03
oiaohmYep FCC and others.  DaemonFCFeb 05 05:03
DaemonFCI'd just slip the specs "under the table" to someone involved in the open firmwareFeb 05 05:03
DaemonFCdeny doing it if anyone asksFeb 05 05:03
DaemonFCjust real unofficially, you know?Feb 05 05:03
oiaohmThinking they have permited reversing.Feb 05 05:04
cubezzzyou can't stop reversing Feb 05 05:04
oiaohmWith the the details above.Feb 05 05:04
cubezzzif someone is very determined...Feb 05 05:04
oiaohmIts a lot simpler process.Feb 05 05:04
oiaohmYou can lock spec sheets from being allow to be used to assist with reversing.  cubezzzFeb 05 05:05
cubezzzyesFeb 05 05:05
cubezzzthey can make it harder, but not impossibleFeb 05 05:05
oiaohmBroadcom is not locking any information they are releasing.Feb 05 05:05
oiaohmIe any information they can release without risking upseting FCC and others.Feb 05 05:05
oiaohmThe legal mine fields of making drivers.Feb 05 05:06
DaemonFCI'd like it if they'd just put the FCC back in their placeFeb 05 05:06
oiaohmGood part is closed source broadcom firmware and open source broadcom firmware might end up just interchanable.Feb 05 05:06
DaemonFCthey've become so bloated and are asserting power over things they don't even technically regulateFeb 05 05:07
oiaohmProblem is broadcom radio freq usage is set by the firmware.Feb 05 05:07
oiaohmSmart design embed that on the card not have it loaded by a OS.Feb 05 05:08
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oiaohmIe broadcom truly does have a legal problem caused by there design.  DaemonFCFeb 05 05:09
oiaohmNvidia is just being a pain.Feb 05 05:10
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kecskebakOne for schestowitzFeb 05 05:34
kecskebakGuido Fawkes (blogger Paul Staines) is going through the room bookings at the Houses of ParliamentFeb 05 05:35
kecskebakhttp://order-order.com/2010/02/04/members-room-bookings-live/űFeb 05 05:35
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kecskebakSorry about the űFeb 05 05:35
kecskebak"Andrew Miller held a reception for Microsoft after receiving a paid-for trip to Berlin by them. (Jun ‘08)"Feb 05 05:35
kecskebakI'll keep an eye on what Guido discoversFeb 05 05:36
kecskebakttfnFeb 05 05:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Argh - what a day. The only thing I did was confirm that #7 was second school on the site, first one burned. Arson? Log Cabin, so possible.Feb 05 05:43
DaemonFCmy mom just called, someone is knocking on her door and it has her scaredFeb 05 05:45
DaemonFCI guess I'll grab my gun and go down thereFeb 05 05:45
DaemonFCok, now that was interestingFeb 05 05:53
DaemonFCone of the neighbors that moved out last week was trying to break inFeb 05 05:53
cubezzzdid you shoot any bad guys? :)Feb 05 05:53
DaemonFCI held him there until the police arrives, they were only about a minute behind meFeb 05 05:53
DaemonFCshe only lives like a block awayFeb 05 05:54
DaemonFCwell, I wasn't expecting that :PFeb 05 05:55
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DaemonFCoiaohm: Defective By Design emails go to Junk in HotmailFeb 05 07:25
oiaohmNow why would that be supprising.Feb 05 07:29
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DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=allFeb 05 07:38
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DaemonFChehFeb 05 07:38
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schestowitzEvil Celebrities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3XZb02g0TMFeb 05 09:02
schestowitzHmmm.....Feb 05 09:31
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tessier___ProblemFeb 05 09:36
tessier___?Feb 05 09:36
schestowitzSort ofFeb 05 09:36
schestowitzThe server was not accessible for a whileFeb 05 09:36
schestowitzNow it suddenly works, but there is a wiki issueFeb 05 09:36
tessier___I noticed some weirdness also and just restarted http but it does not seem to have helped with the wiki issue.Feb 05 09:37
schestowitzFor a while the server was no reachable, like 5 minutes agoFeb 05 09:37
tessier___Everything is fine with the network and the server itself. I think php or httpd or something must have had a problem. Were you unable to ssh in also?Feb 05 09:38
schestowitz"The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading."Feb 05 09:38
schestowitzThat happened when I saved the wiki page sgainFeb 05 09:38
tessier___hmm...Feb 05 09:39
schestowitzJust now...Feb 05 09:39
tessier___I just restarted the proxy and now the wiki seems to work. Weird...Feb 05 09:39
schestowitzAnd now it worksFeb 05 09:39
tessier___But the other sites that go through the proxy had no problem at all...Feb 05 09:39
schestowitzYeahFeb 05 09:40
tessier___I'll take a look at the logs. Seems ok now though.Feb 05 09:40
schestowitzIt seems sporadicFeb 05 09:40
schestowitzThere was server activity while I was still trying to accessFeb 05 09:40
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schestowitzNow it works OKFeb 05 09:41
schestowitzI hadn't changed anythingFeb 05 09:41
schestowitz:-)Feb 05 09:41
tessier___Indeed. I think the proxy experienced some sort of confusion.Feb 05 09:41
schestowitz:-)Feb 05 09:42
schestowitzLikely.... I mean, that woule explain a 'peripheral' issueFeb 05 09:42
schestowitzFrom the server I could see nothing wrongFeb 05 09:42
schestowitzAnd I still don't know what happenedFeb 05 09:42
schestowitzI mean, it works now, but I hardly changed anythingFeb 05 09:42
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schestowitzIt seems as though pages were still served, maybe just not the CACHED onesFeb 05 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Founder of #Linux (Kernel Space) Makes List of Top Inventors http://ur1.ca/ljdg http://ur1.ca/ljdiFeb 05 10:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2 Good Reviews of #Nokia 's #Linux Phone http://ur1.ca/ljf3 http://ur1.ca/lak9 #n900Feb 05 11:05
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oiaohmIf arm could get someone to release a machine arm with a 15 to 21 inch screen.Feb 05 11:09
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oiaohmI would be happy.Feb 05 11:09
oiaohmschestowitz: apple is facing the same problem against Linux as they did against Windows.  I am supprised they have not worked it out.  ie Multi vendors competing against there 1.Feb 05 11:14
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oiaohmExpire for H.264 patents should start 2023  Since they go in 5 year loops they really will not have much option after 2016 either to charge or for go rights.Feb 05 11:33
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oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LLVM-milestone-reached-Clang-compiler-self-hosts-922791.htmlFeb 05 11:50
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oiaohmLet the complier battle begin.Feb 05 11:51
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, but Apple ignores LinuxFeb 05 11:54
schestowitzThey take another strategyFeb 05 11:54
schestowitzoiaohm: better to use OggFeb 05 11:55
schestowitzThey want to trap the Web... like giving free drug sampleFeb 05 11:55
oiaohmschestowitz: Remember Apple attacking IBM not MS.Feb 05 11:56
oiaohmApple ignored MS as well.Feb 05 11:56
oiaohmUntil it was basically too late.Feb 05 11:56
schestowitzApple doesn't use PPC nowFeb 05 11:57
schestowitzBut IBM probably still gets payments from IntelFeb 05 11:57
schestowitzOr maybe it's mutualFeb 05 11:57
oiaohmBefore PPC Apple was using moterola chip.Feb 05 11:58
oiaohmIBM and Intel both have a mutual do not sue deal.Feb 05 11:59
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/science/2010/02/graphene-fets-promise-100-ghz-operation.ars  Ok what are we going todo with even faster chips.Feb 05 12:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Monitoring system usage.. gnome system monitor using 20% cpu to tell me that my system usage is ... 20% cpuFeb 05 12:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sriniworld: RT @AccessifyForum Discussion on form labels and WCAG2 http://bit.ly/a4jxDI [JC]Feb 05 12:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BlackDuck Wants Proprietary Monopoly on #FreeSoftware Analysis, #SFLC Responds http://ur1.ca/ljkvFeb 05 12:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @anivar could you provide Hindu translation for us to put in the Web site and educate Indian readers? http://ur1.ca/ljkxFeb 05 12:39
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Yougov produce another glowing piece of research for Microsoft, parroted by Bloomberg. http://is.gd/7KLZaFeb 05 12:52
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schestowitztessier___: there's that blank page again in the front page, but only in the cached versionFeb 05 12:54
schestowitzI think there's some situation where the wiki does give an empty page (CMS error) and then it gets cachedFeb 05 12:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Lost Over $5,000,000,000 Trying to Dethrone #Google (in Vain) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/05/msft-loss-at-rapid-rate/Feb 05 12:56
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oiaohmHow much is MS speeding to hold Linux back.Feb 05 13:06
schestowitzHard to judgeFeb 05 13:09
schestowitzPropose a criterion/iaFeb 05 13:09
schestowitzIt's differentFeb 05 13:09
schestowitzYou should meausre how much in damage Linux caused them, esp. marginsFeb 05 13:09
oiaohmProblem is it double sided.Feb 05 13:09
oiaohmMore force Linux applies the more software they have to dump into the market at basically no profit or negitive profit.Feb 05 13:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installed vnstat/jsvnstat to monitor my bandwidth usage in a pretty way http://popey.com/bandwidth Yay! Graphs!Feb 05 13:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I actually use vnstat to monitor my 3g usage on my laptop, but it seemed fun to run it on my server too :)Feb 05 13:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Huge Internet Explorer Flaw, #Vista7 “Kills Batteries”, and #WindowsMobile is Virtually Dead http://ur1.ca/ljo8Feb 05 13:31
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] True! RT: @salva_eswar: @sagarun Had our great forefathers patented '0', computer science as we know it would never have started. #swpatFeb 05 13:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Exodus Continues as Another Vice President Jumps Ship http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/05/mike-nash-quits/Feb 05 13:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Trust | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ybqgjckFeb 05 14:05
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rnbgood morningFeb 05 14:22
oiaohmHi rnbFeb 05 14:23
schestowitztessier___: pingFeb 05 14:30
schestowitzHey, rnbFeb 05 14:30
Omar87_Hi allFeb 05 14:32
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_timesFeb 05 14:34
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schestowitz"The Ochs-Sulzberger family, one of the United States' newspaper dynasties, has owned the Times since 1896.[7] After the publisher went public in the 1960s, the family continued to exert control through its ownership of the vast majority of Class B voting shares. Class A shareholders cannot vote on many important matters relating to the company, while Class B shareholders can vote on all matters."Feb 05 14:34
schestowitz"Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal, had a similar structure and was controlled by the Bancroft family; the company was later bought by the News Corporation in 2007.[27]"Feb 05 14:35
schestowitzMurdochFeb 05 14:35
schestowitz"The Ochs-Sulzberger family trust controls roughly 88 percent of the company's class B shares. Any alteration to the dual-class structure must be ratified by six of eight directors who sit on the board of the Ochs-Sulzberger family trust."Feb 05 14:35
oiaohmYepFeb 05 14:36
oiaohmMurdoch got out of australia due to cross media ownership laws.Feb 05 14:36
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_New_York_TimesFeb 05 14:37
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MinceRhttp://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100205.gifFeb 05 14:38
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oiaohmI miss my secuirty dog that died a few year back he was great fun for those christian door pest.  MinceR Black rotwheeler of all things named devil.Feb 05 14:46
MinceR:>Feb 05 14:46
oiaohmneighbors dog at the time a large saint benard.  Named saint.Feb 05 14:47
oiaohmCould get really interesting if they used the wrong words.Feb 05 14:47
oiaohmSome time I have to work out what kind of look of dog deserves the name HellFeb 05 14:48
oiaohmHis drive way had a nice funny but true warning sign.   "Don't park car in driveway.  When you get back car might be in pieces."  3 saint benards deciding to play with a car does a lot of damage quicky.Feb 05 14:51
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*FurnaceBoy is still laughing over tartakoff, 'pandering?'Feb 05 15:19
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he didn't question the 'shill' part.Feb 05 15:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Gotta love technology. My car dealership has wireless, so I can work while they change the oil in the car!Feb 05 15:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Google links up with US spy-master to thwart threats to cyberspace - Times Online - #OutlawStory http://tinyurl.com/y9z968mFeb 05 15:26
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FurnaceBoyhm, VERY stealthy. http://news.google.ca/news?client=opera&rls=en&q=bcg3Feb 05 15:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Microsoft Revisionism from the New York Times, Courtesy of Former Microsoft Employee http://ur1.ca/lk25Feb 05 15:34
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I saw that beforeFeb 05 15:36
FurnaceBoyi'm sure you did :)Feb 05 15:38
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FurnaceBoynothing on bing eitherFeb 05 15:40
FurnaceBoywell, on page 4...Feb 05 15:40
FurnaceBoya link to http://www.thegatesnotes.comFeb 05 15:40
schestowitzHeh.Feb 05 15:41
schestowitzJust got this weird suggestion from a reader:Feb 05 15:41
schestowitz"Feb 05 15:41
schestowitzAlso, another suggestion, get sponsors!!! Every business can sign a petition! Their logos can be placed on the website showing their support, and letting your READERS see the choices to support the NON-Microsoft monopolies!Feb 05 15:41
schestowitz Feb 05 15:41
schestowitzThese businesses would value your website sending business to them, right?  Other businesses would want to join then, and they could help provide additional support in other areas, to promote your cause, REFORM the (software) monopolies!  That might be a better title instead of BOYCOTT Novell? LOL…Feb 05 15:41
schestowitz"Feb 05 15:41
FurnaceBoy"The H1N1 flu wasn't nearly as bad as predicted, but not because of the effectiveness of the steps taken to contain it. The inadequate global response shows that we are still unprepared for a major pandemic. New methods for manufacturing vaccines quickly and other investments are clearly required."Feb 05 15:43
FurnaceBoy^^ Gates. telling us we need to worry about pandemics.Feb 05 15:43
FurnaceBoywho knew?Feb 05 15:43
FurnaceBoy"inadequate global response" ?Feb 05 15:44
FurnaceBoyas in "millions and millions of unused and unneeded vaccines" ?Feb 05 15:44
schestowitz> Oh’ this gives me another suggestion! Everyone just loves statistics, right?Feb 05 15:44
schestowitz> Please post a whole webpage on statistics, between “Open Source Code” (How it’s Good) and “Microsoft Proprietary” (Why it’s BAD) software!Feb 05 15:44
schestowitz> Of course, the focus should be showing how REFORMING the software industry (monopoly), would improve the economy! Which can be made into a video (Mkv) like the “story of stuff”! http://www.storyofstuff.comFeb 05 15:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Story of Stuff .::. Size~: 15.48 KBFeb 05 15:44
schestowitz> does by showing the evil behind the motivation of seeking PROFITS above ethics and morals!Feb 05 15:44
schestowitzI guess we should do something like that soon....Feb 05 15:44
FurnaceBoyYour search - bcg3 site:www.thegatesnotes.com - did not match any documents.Feb 05 15:45
schestowitzVaccines can be made cheaply if mass producedFeb 05 15:46
schestowitzBut then they can become less effectiveFeb 05 15:46
schestowitzThe disease evolves around the monocultureFeb 05 15:46
schestowitzSo you open yourself us to diversity of threatdFeb 05 15:46
schestowitz*tsFeb 05 15:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Inevitability Claimed, #USPTO Patently Failing, #China Against Patents in #Standards http://ur1.ca/lk7fFeb 05 16:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mobile office consists of 32GB USB stick with Ubuntu installed on it, and a USB 3G modem. Works anywhere :) (Android phone for backup)Feb 05 16:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] .. and as a backup storage, a 4GB micro SD in the 3G card which works pefectly under Ubuntu.Feb 05 16:52
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schestowitzMinceR: what about it?Feb 05 17:06
MinceRi think it's good newsFeb 05 17:07
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schestowitzMinceR: in a way, yesFeb 05 17:14
schestowitzSymbian is NokiaFeb 05 17:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @timbray It's simple: Every time DRM has ever touched anything, it has screwed things up. I know of no exceptions>>so simple; and yet...Feb 05 17:14
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012903837.html?hpid=opinionsbox1Feb 05 17:15
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schestowitz"DAVOS, SWITZERLAND The World Economic Forum is the last place I would have expected to encounter the new populism. But when a venerable European central banker, a man whose very bearing connotes the old capitalist values, told me privately that he is now convinced that the financial system is too important to be left to the free market, I knew we were wandering into new territory. "Feb 05 17:15
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8491118622Feb 05 17:17
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schestowitzOyster has a positive connotation, unlike the junk that it isFeb 05 17:17
FurnaceBoypopulism.Feb 05 17:29
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FurnaceBoyeugh.Feb 05 17:29
FurnaceBoytranslation: "Our profits are too important to be left to the free market"Feb 05 17:29
FurnaceBoywell, this conversion has already occurred in the form of bailouts.Feb 05 17:30
FurnaceBoyno new ideas here, just another way to funnel moneyFeb 05 17:30
schestowitzhttp://shareable.net/Feb 05 17:34
schestowitzBanks can lend to businessesFeb 05 17:34
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schestowitzBut banks cannot go "bam"Feb 05 17:34
schestowitzSo they rely on a form of socialismFeb 05 17:34
schestowitzIf they succeed, they pocket $23bn in bonusesFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzIf they fail, we payFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzSo it's not capitalismFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzIn patitalismFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzYou lose, you perishFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzYou win, you gainFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzBanks have redefined our systemsFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzIt's not capitalismFeb 05 17:35
schestowitzMinceR: Canonical Makes a Mac fan its COO...Feb 05 17:38
schestowitzAsayFeb 05 17:38
MinceRgreatFeb 05 17:39
schestowitzHow can he sell Linux to people while bashing Linux?Feb 05 17:39
MinceRwhen are they going to just start selling macs with windows preinstalled instead of pretending they're doing gnu/linux?Feb 05 17:39
schestowitzNow you have better reason to embrace Driva?Feb 05 17:40
schestowitzTo be fair, it's not a technical roleFeb 05 17:40
schestowitzme: "http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10447913-16.html"Feb 05 17:40
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schestowitzHe doesn't know UNIXFeb 05 17:41
schestowitzBut he's in marketing and stuffFeb 05 17:41
MinceRi have better reason to embrace Fedora or Pardus or whateverFeb 05 17:41
Omar87Hi all.Feb 05 17:41
schestowitzMinceR: iCult Mac Store http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBfSHcaMO4Feb 05 17:42
MinceRseen itFeb 05 17:42
schestowitzFunny, no?Feb 05 17:42
MinceRmildlyFeb 05 17:43
trmancowhere is the wiki?Feb 05 17:48
trmancoschestowitz: pingFeb 05 17:50
schestowitzhttp://archiv.twoday.net/stories/6164721/Feb 05 17:51
schestowitztrmanco: heyFeb 05 17:51
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schestowitztrmanco: error in cachingFeb 05 17:51
trmancookFeb 05 17:51
schestowitzI'm waiting for tessier___ Feb 05 17:51
trmancoI was just wondering if my piece of translated text was usedFeb 05 17:51
trmanco:>Feb 05 17:51
schestowitzYes, it is thereFeb 05 17:52
schestowitzThe wiki worksFeb 05 17:52
schestowitzIt's just not in the front page momentarilyFeb 05 17:52
trmanco.com/wikiFeb 05 17:52
trmancowon't workFeb 05 17:52
schestowitzvhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/PortuguesFeb 05 17:52
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schestowitztrmanco: just front pageFeb 05 17:52
trmancoah,I seeFeb 05 17:53
schestowitzThere's also http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GermanFeb 05 17:53
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schestowitzIt'll be fine when tessier___ comes backFeb 05 17:53
schestowitzWe had the same issue this morningFeb 05 17:53
trmanconeatFeb 05 17:54
Ender2070schestowitz - the queen passes your laws tooFeb 05 17:54
Ender2070schestowitz - "In the United Kingdom the Royal Assent is the final step required for a parliamentary bill to become law. Once a bill is presented to the Sovereign or the Sovereign's representative, he or she has three formal options. Firstly, the Sovereign may grant the Royal Assent, thereby making the bill an Act of Parliament. Secondly, the Sovereign may withhold the Royal Assent, thereby vetoing the bill. Finally, the Feb 05 17:54
Ender2070Sovereign may reserve the Royal Assent, that is to say, defer a decision on the bill until a later time."Feb 05 17:54
Ender2070the term is "royal assent" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent#United_KingdomFeb 05 17:54
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Ender2070she can withold royal assent too, meaning the law does not become lawFeb 05 17:55
MinceRhow many times can she veto the law?Feb 05 17:55
Ender2070as many times as she wantsFeb 05 17:55
MinceRhere there's a limit on thatFeb 05 17:55
Ender2070you know whats scaryFeb 05 17:56
MinceRthen again, our head of state is also electedFeb 05 17:56
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Ender2070the same queen does this for canada, via a third party she appointsFeb 05 17:56
Ender2070andFeb 05 17:56
Ender2070they control our military!Feb 05 17:56
Ender2070our commander in chief is the governor general she appointsFeb 05 17:57
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief_of_the_Canadian_ForcesFeb 05 17:57
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Ender2070so if the US decides to invade Canada, they have to deal with the QueenFeb 05 17:58
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: the queen has been known to do the bidding of the US. Feb 05 17:58
FurnaceBoy*that's* the scary part.Feb 05 17:58
Ender2070well yes thats something i've heard tooFeb 05 17:58
MinceRand the bidding of the US is actually the bidding of the USian megacorpsFeb 05 17:58
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: look at the complicity of UK in Iraq.Feb 05 17:59
Ender2070in Canada, she can veto our choice for prime minister tooFeb 05 17:59
Ender2070she did in the 80'sFeb 05 17:59
MinceRhas canada never fought for independence?Feb 05 17:59
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: but the incident I am referring to was the removal of the Whitlam government in Australia in 1975. The Queen was apparently acting on US demand.Feb 05 17:59
Ender2070oh yeah?Feb 05 17:59
Ender2070Australia is setup the same way tooFeb 05 17:59
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 05 17:59
Ender2070I think all common-wealth nations areFeb 05 17:59
schestowitztrmanco: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2256954/meps-remain-unconvincedFeb 05 17:59
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 05 18:00
schestowitzOops.Feb 05 18:00
Ender2070secretly run by the queenFeb 05 18:00
Ender2070not reported by the mediaFeb 05 18:00
schestowitzhttp://mozillalinks.org/wp/2010/01/firefox-for-maemo-now-available-for-download/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MozillaLinks+(Mozilla+Links)&utm_content=Google+ReaderFeb 05 18:00
FurnaceBoyAustralia has a governor-general, who dismissed the prime minister.Feb 05 18:00
Ender2070yeahFeb 05 18:00
Ender2070thats scaryFeb 05 18:00
trmancowhat?Feb 05 18:00
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: secretly??? no there is no secret that the Queen is head of state.Feb 05 18:00
Ender2070FurnaceBoy -we grow up thinking the prime minister has all the powerFeb 05 18:01
FurnaceBoyyou do?Feb 05 18:01
Ender2070yeahFeb 05 18:01
schestowitztrmanco: Firefox spreadingFeb 05 18:01
FurnaceBoythat's odd.Feb 05 18:01
Ender2070they never mention the governor generalFeb 05 18:01
FurnaceBoybut this has never been secretFeb 05 18:01
trmancoahFeb 05 18:01
Ender2070an open secretFeb 05 18:01
Ender2070its there if you want to knowFeb 05 18:01
trmancoI have no maemo device :/Feb 05 18:01
schestowitzTony Blair accused of putting war with Iran on the electoral agenda http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/30/tony-blair-iran-spin-chilcotFeb 05 18:01
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: no, not at all.Feb 05 18:01
Ender2070but they train us not to careFeb 05 18:01
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: it's common knowledgeFeb 05 18:01
Ender2070you haven't been through our school systemFeb 05 18:01
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: it's taught in Australian schoolsFeb 05 18:02
Ender2070its not taught hereFeb 05 18:02
FurnaceBoyare you sure?Feb 05 18:02
Ender2070yesFeb 05 18:02
FurnaceBoyeverybody here seems to know about it.Feb 05 18:02
FurnaceBoyher head is on your coinsFeb 05 18:02
Ender2070yesFeb 05 18:02
FurnaceBoythe governor-general is frequently in your mediaFeb 05 18:02
FurnaceBoyher role is openly discussedFeb 05 18:02
Ender2070we know we have a queen but we're told that she and the governor general are there for traditionFeb 05 18:02
Ender2070we're told its all showFeb 05 18:03
FurnaceBoywell it's true that this is a helpful spinFeb 05 18:03
Ender2070nobody told us she controls our military or our choices in prime ministersFeb 05 18:03
FurnaceBoybut it's also spin to think that the queen doesn't listen to the USFeb 05 18:03
Ender2070i think the US listens to herFeb 05 18:03
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: well, i never knew that was any kind of secret...Feb 05 18:04
Ender2070maybe secret is a bad word to have usedFeb 05 18:04
Ender2070its not secret, but its not in your face eitherFeb 05 18:04
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: i mean, whole battalions are named after members of the royal family.Feb 05 18:04
Ender2070when they explain our political system in school they didnt mention a lot of the stuff regarding the monarchyFeb 05 18:05
FurnaceBoyyou have the Princess Peach's Royal Baby Eaters, and stuff like that.Feb 05 18:05
Ender2070LOLFeb 05 18:05
*FurnaceBoy can't remember the actual nameFeb 05 18:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Symbian’s identity: Platform or Infrastructure? - http://bit.ly/9tcxFu interesting discussion; still not totally convinced...Feb 05 18:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Symbians identity: Platform or Infrastructure? « Symbian Blog .::. Size~: 130.39 KBFeb 05 18:05
Ender2070I was planning on joining the military at one point in time and I was on the military forumsFeb 05 18:06
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: well, *most of the time* the royal tradition is irrelevant, but it is where the rubber hits the road, and the recent prorogation business shows that the G-G is acting against Canada's best interests right nowFeb 05 18:06
Ender2070I wondered why they were so obsessed with "the queens english"Feb 05 18:06
Ender2070they didnt like any sort of slang at all usedFeb 05 18:06
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: *apparently* the Queen (and we could infer the U.S.) wants Harper kept aroundFeb 05 18:07
Ender2070FurnaceBoy - in the 80s there was a liberal/ndp alliance which used the G-G to take power instead of the conservativesFeb 05 18:07
Ender2070the conservatives back then would have had a minority governmentFeb 05 18:08
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: well, Harper avoided a no-confidence vote last yearFeb 05 18:08
Ender2070yeahFeb 05 18:08
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: and he dodged the Afghan inquiry this yearFeb 05 18:08
Ender2070prorogueFeb 05 18:08
FurnaceBoywhat will it be next year?Feb 05 18:08
FurnaceBoythe G-G is not acting in Canada's best interests. she's letting that maniac get away with murderFeb 05 18:08
Ender2070probably the bill that further integrates canada and the usFeb 05 18:09
FurnaceBoynaturally Harper would support that.Feb 05 18:09
FurnaceBoyhe needs to go.Feb 05 18:09
Ender2070they already signed one that allows armed us troops to be in CanadaFeb 05 18:09
Ender2070they also signed one that allows politicians to run in both countriesFeb 05 18:10
Ender2070I wonder if I should setup a petition to send to the G-G to get rid of HarperFeb 05 18:11
FurnaceBoyfirst research if she has to look at petitions. doubtful .:)Feb 05 18:12
Ender2070im sure she would at least look at itFeb 05 18:12
Ender2070why just toss out mail addressed to you without lookingFeb 05 18:12
Ender2070especially a huge important looking packageFeb 05 18:13
FurnaceBoyit won't achieve anything. they're acting out an agenda.Feb 05 18:13
FurnaceBoyshe's not independentFeb 05 18:13
FurnaceBoy*somebody* wants Harper protected.Feb 05 18:13
Ender2070yeahFeb 05 18:13
Ender2070well think about it this wayFeb 05 18:14
Ender2070if harper continues we'll have to borrow more from the world bankFeb 05 18:14
FurnaceBoyyes, i've noticed...Feb 05 18:14
FurnaceBoyfirst deficits in a long timeFeb 05 18:14
Ender2070we had a surpluss before himFeb 05 18:14
Ender2070he got rid of the surplussFeb 05 18:15
Ender2070then we got hit with recession, which the surpluss would've protected againstFeb 05 18:15
Ender2070so now we're in debt for roughly the same amount of money we were in surpluss ofFeb 05 18:16
Ender2070last time I checked anyways, its probably worse nowFeb 05 18:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] listening to Inspire by Capo Productions - http://www.thesixtyone.com/capoproductions/song/Inspire/ARAiMPMW9da/Feb 05 18:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/alex-holland/checking-blairs-calculus-of-risk-wmds-and-regime-changeFeb 05 18:25
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schestowitzThere should be similar grilling in the USFeb 05 18:25
schestowitzThey can do in in Bush's "ranch"Feb 05 18:25
schestowitzThat fake venue that paints him as Average Joe for PR purposesFeb 05 18:26
Ender2070lolFeb 05 18:26
Ender2070what they dont tell you is that taxpayers bought him that ranchFeb 05 18:26
Ender2070i dont know for sure, but its likely ,lolFeb 05 18:27
schestowitzhttp://dev.chromium.org/chromium-os/user-experience/form-factors/tabletFeb 05 18:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.framablog.org/index.php/post/2010/02/02/britain-loves-wikipediaFeb 05 18:29
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schestowitzamarsh04: this was resolved, right? http://www.news.com.au/technology/south-australian-state-government-gags-internet-debate/story-e6frfro0-1225825750956Feb 05 18:34
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amarsh04yes, the opposition legal spokeswoman had identified a way to overturn it without having to recall parliamentFeb 05 18:36
amarsh04back later, I'll try to find updated links on the South Australian electoral rulesFeb 05 18:38
schestowitzOMG Craig Murray was murderedFeb 05 18:40
schestowitzamarsh04: thanjsFeb 05 18:41
schestowitz*ksFeb 05 18:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Climate change. UK disbelief in global warming rises from 10 to 25 %. poll taken after 8th coldest January on record. Ask again in summer.Feb 05 18:42
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/02/unmanned_frigates/Feb 05 18:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: US plans crewless automated ghost-frigates • The Register .::. Size~: 24.01 KBFeb 05 18:44
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tessierschestowitz: Interesting. I am more interested in how they detect the subs than how they navigate the ship.Feb 05 18:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there needs to be grilling, followed by some long prison termsFeb 05 18:56
tessierActually, TFA explains that. Active sonar and slow subs.Feb 05 18:56
schestowitzYeah, also sea junkFeb 05 19:00
schestowitzLike those left on the Moon, Mars and circling in orbitFeb 05 19:00
schestowitzhttp://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/3crowd-multiple-cdns/Feb 05 19:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   3Crowd Comes Out Of Stealth, Reveals Its Plan To Disrupt The CDN Market  .::. Size~: 79.41 KBFeb 05 19:00
tessierHaving read the whole article that sounds like an excellent idea.Feb 05 19:01
schestowitztessier: we have some problem with the wiki/cacheFeb 05 19:01
schestowitzOhFeb 05 19:01
schestowitzWait..Feb 05 19:01
schestowitzIt's resolved now...?Feb 05 19:01
schestowitzSeems to work all of a sudden. Did you do something? :-)Feb 05 19:01
tessierNopeFeb 05 19:04
tessierHaven't touched it since last nightFeb 05 19:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] In the Rajpur getting a yummy curry for supper. Surprise for wifey. Some extra fir the kids lunch tomorrow too. Om nom nom! #fbFeb 05 19:07
schestowitzThere was something off with caching in the sense that an empty page was cachedFeb 05 19:10
schestowitzAnd then stuck there for hours (front page, no less)Feb 05 19:10
schestowitzI reckon it's related to the CMS in some ways, but anyway, it's OK nowFeb 05 19:11
schestowitzwikileaks if coming backFeb 05 19:11
schestowitzhttp://bit.ly/dqMn6xFeb 05 19:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wikileaks finds cash to continue • The Register .::. Size~: 24.46 KBFeb 05 19:11
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8625715251Feb 05 19:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Glyn Moody: Wikileaks finds cash to co ... .::. Size~: 10.55 KBFeb 05 19:11
trmanco:DFeb 05 19:11
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schestowitztrmanco: see the wiki nowFeb 05 19:12
trmancothey made some typos in their messageFeb 05 19:12
schestowitzIt has Portuguese along the topFeb 05 19:12
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trmanconot working :/Feb 05 19:12
schestowitzOh, no...Feb 05 19:16
trmancoschestowitz: it still gives me a blank pageFeb 05 19:16
schestowitztessier: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page gives a blank pageFeb 05 19:16
schestowitzIt's the same as before and I don't know how caching causes thisFeb 05 19:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Waiter in curry house asked if my phone was a Windows mobile.In too good a mood to give him the lecture.Just said 'no,android'.Saved him.#fbFeb 05 19:21
schestowitzHmmmmmm...Feb 05 19:25
schestowitzNow the wiki works againFeb 05 19:25
schestowitzIt flip-flopsFeb 05 19:25
schestowitzI wish I knew how to resolve it ...Feb 05 19:25
schestowitzIt started a few weeks ago, maybe 2Feb 05 19:25
schestowitzSomeone reported the blank page for several hoursFeb 05 19:25
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ender2070FurnaceBoy - I remember now: in high school civics classFeb 05 19:26
ender2070FurnaceBoy - They told us about the governor general but it was downplayed. We were told the PM picks the G-G, who passes laws.Feb 05 19:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hmFeb 05 19:26
ender2070which only scratches the surfaceFeb 05 19:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i wonder if any kind of php caching is configuredFeb 05 19:27
FurnaceBoyender2070: well, i take your word for itFeb 05 19:27
FurnaceBoyender2070: but i am not sure what that would achieveFeb 05 19:27
FurnaceBoyender2070: i don't see any sign of public surprise in the recent discussions of prorogation.Feb 05 19:28
FurnaceBoyender2070: did you read RIck Mercer's column about it?Feb 05 19:28
ender2070noFeb 05 19:28
trmancoschestowitz: still blank hereFeb 05 19:28
schestowitzNow?Feb 05 19:30
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_PageFeb 05 19:30
trmancoyes blankFeb 05 19:31
schestowitzWeirdFeb 05 19:31
trmancothat where I amFeb 05 19:31
trmancois*Feb 05 19:31
schestowitzGrrrrrrr.. I've spent like 2 hours on it todayFeb 05 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: do you have apc or another cache enabled?Feb 05 19:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: phpinfo()Feb 05 19:32
ender2070chromium works with 64-bit flashFeb 05 19:34
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: nopeFeb 05 19:35
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: tessier has a cache server runningFeb 05 19:35
schestowitzI think it caches something wrongFeb 05 19:35
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > Here are the two tcp streams captured by ethereal when lynx goes Feb 05 19:36
FurnaceBoyender2070: http://www.rickmercer.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/1/5/22-Days-of-Snow-DaysFeb 05 19:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: RickMercer: Days of Snow Days .::. Size~: 13.2 KBFeb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > to boycottnovell.com.  The first part of each goes from me to Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > 216.105.40.123, and the second from 216.105.40.123 to me:Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > ***********************************************************Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > GET / HTTP/1.0Feb 05 19:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: a cache server? reverse proxy?Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > Host: boycottnovell.comFeb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz[15:04] <schestowitz> > Accept-Encoding: gzip, bzip2Feb 05 19:36
schestowitz<!-- Page not cached by WP Super Cache. No closing HTML tag. Check your theme. -->Feb 05 19:37
schestowitz*************************************************************Feb 05 19:37
schestowitzGET /wiki/index.php/Main_Page HTTP/1.0Feb 05 19:37
schestowitzHost: boycottnovell.comFeb 05 19:37
schestowitzAccept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01Feb 05 19:37
schestowitzAccept-Encoding: gzip, bzip2Feb 05 19:37
schestowitzAccept-Language: enFeb 05 19:37
schestowitzUser-Agent: Lynx/2.8.6rel.5 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8kFeb 05 19:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: cache/proxyFeb 05 19:37
schestowitzCache on another, peripheral vm/serverFeb 05 19:38
schestowitzX-Varnish: 1362320701 1362319747Feb 05 19:38
schestowitzAge: 331Feb 05 19:38
schestowitzVia: 1.1 varnishFeb 05 19:38
schestowitzConnection: closeFeb 05 19:38
trmanco!-- Page not cached by WP Super Cache. No closing HTML tag. Check your theme. --> what is this all about?Feb 05 19:38
ender2070they shouldn't get paid during thisFeb 05 19:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Croissants eaten. What does it say about my routine if I am having breakfast at 2.30pm?Feb 05 19:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I don't use varnish.Feb 05 19:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: if i were you, i woudl set up an end-to-end test and cron it, so that if this breaks in future you know about it.Feb 05 19:41
schestowitzhttp://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123758Feb 05 19:41
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it's just this one pageFeb 05 19:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: even so.Feb 05 19:42
schestowitztessier: could you exclude  http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page from caching?Feb 05 19:42
schestowitzThat would probably solve the whole problemFeb 05 19:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: why wouldn't it occur elsewhere?Feb 05 19:43
FurnaceBoyit needs to be root-causedFeb 05 19:43
schestowitzIt never occurred in other pagesFeb 05 19:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: anyway, for mirror, we could use mysql replication over openvpn (i already use openvpn)Feb 05 19:43
schestowitzOracle'sSQLFeb 05 19:44
FurnaceBoy...which you already run, i presume :)Feb 05 19:44
ender2070would be nice if you could prorogue and not have to go to workFeb 05 19:47
FurnaceBoyamenFeb 05 19:49
FurnaceBoywellFeb 05 19:49
FurnaceBoyi don't think its actually such a holiday for MPs.Feb 05 19:49
FurnaceBoythey still have constituency dutiesFeb 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyi am sure some of them even prefer to be in parliament heheFeb 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyalso, it must be a ROYAL pain in the ass for all their work to be cut short, cancelled.Feb 05 19:50
FurnaceBoycommittees disbanded.Feb 05 19:50
ender2070yeahFeb 05 19:50
FurnaceBoythat would piss me offFeb 05 19:50
FurnaceBoyyou spend a year working on complex legislationFeb 05 19:51
ender2070i dont think the pm is gonna get elected againFeb 05 19:51
FurnaceBoyand suddenly the PM cancels everythingm, have to start over.Feb 05 19:51
FurnaceBoyprorogueing should be a real last ditch thing.Feb 05 19:51
FurnaceBoybut he does it like it's just celebrating Valentine's Day.Feb 05 19:51
FurnaceBoythe cynical jerk.Feb 05 19:51
ender2070lolFeb 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyhonestly, that guy is a terrible thing to happen to Canada.Feb 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyhe's been bringing culture wars, divisive politics here for six yearsFeb 05 19:52
FurnaceBoyand it's having an effect.Feb 05 19:52
FurnaceBoycanada now has a tarnished reputation internationallyFeb 05 19:52
ender2070yeah and hes crazyFeb 05 19:53
FurnaceBoyhe;s just an asshole in the Bush/Blair/Howard model.Feb 05 19:53
FurnaceBoyhis biggest regret is that he couldn't have had Canadians in the front lines killing Muslims in Iraq.Feb 05 19:53
ender2070he had his head so far up Bush's ass he could see Tony Blairs feetFeb 05 19:53
FurnaceBoybut, at least he made sure that torture is covered upFeb 05 19:53
FurnaceBoythat's important, you know, if you're a "civilised"countryFeb 05 19:54
amarsh04end of an era in cricket: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/05/2810975.htmFeb 05 19:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ABC Sport - Adelaide Oval's Burdett retires .::. Size~: 47.03 KBFeb 05 19:54
schestowitzBBC distrust growing http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8637657211Feb 05 19:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Glyn Moody: Really glad I didn't waste ... .::. Size~: 10.52 KBFeb 05 19:57
schestowitzThis is good: http://dornob.com/sandwich-sack-secure-plastic-zip-anti-theft-lunch-bags/Feb 05 19:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sandwich Sack, Secure! Plastic Zip + Anti-Theft Lunch Bags | Designs & Ideas on Dornob .::. Size~: 54.72 KBFeb 05 19:57
MinceRold :>Feb 05 19:58
schestowitztessier: are you around?Feb 05 19:58
amarsh04back in a few, loading new kernelFeb 05 19:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.technollama.co.uk/landmark-isp-liability-case-decided-in-australiaFeb 05 20:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Landmark ISP liability case decided in Australia « TechnoLlama .::. Size~: 111.41 KBFeb 05 20:02
FurnaceBoyender2070: http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/8691250374Feb 05 20:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: @Tymlee #Harper firm on Kh ... .::. Size~: 10.58 KBFeb 05 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee #Harper firm on Khadr repatriation - http://bit.ly/ duk78S //Because he is despicable. / & he's a cynical, unCanadian piece of shitFeb 05 20:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: bit.ly, a simple url shortener .::. Size~: 16.49 KBFeb 05 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee So we drink milk from bags. Does that make us weird? http://bit.ly/9p7JoL //my #toronto Harmony organic milk comes in glass bottlesFeb 05 20:08
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schestowitzhttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/02/lovemachine-virtually-singularity.htmlFeb 05 20:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: open...: LoveMachine: Virtually the Singularity? .::. Size~: 96.47 KBFeb 05 20:09
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schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntu.com/news/matt-asay-coo-canonicalFeb 05 20:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open source industry veteran Matt Asay joins Canonical as chief operating officer | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 11.94 KBFeb 05 20:24
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MinceRthey should hire bill gates, tooFeb 05 20:25
FurnaceBoyAsay is an ambiguous characterFeb 05 20:28
FurnaceBoyi think they have progressively got to himFeb 05 20:28
MinceRlast time i say his articles he was a crApple apologistFeb 05 20:28
MinceRand an anti-FLOSS characterFeb 05 20:28
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MinceRs/say/saw/Feb 05 20:28
MinceRhe claimed to be pro-"open source" while he kept advertising crAppleFeb 05 20:29
FurnaceBoyMinceR: right, but not alwaysFeb 05 20:29
FurnaceBoyMinceR: his posture has changed over timeFeb 05 20:29
schestowitzYesFeb 05 20:30
schestowitzFor the worseFeb 05 20:30
FurnaceBoybasically yesFeb 05 20:30
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/mjasay/statuses/8689299735Feb 05 20:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Matt Asay: @schestowitz done! You'll  ... .::. Size~: 10.39 KBFeb 05 20:32
schestowitz" @schestowitz done! You'll be seeing me talk a lot about it, too. Finally!! "Feb 05 20:32
MinceRwhat's he so excited about? a chance to harm gnu/linux from the inside?Feb 05 20:33
schestowitzHe can't much...Feb 05 20:33
schestowitzCause of his employerFeb 05 20:34
schestowitzLet's wait and seeFeb 05 20:34
MinceRhis employer is pushing mono and bingo into gnu/linuxFeb 05 20:34
MinceRi'm waiting but every now and then i lose more of my faith in canonicalFeb 05 20:35
schestowitzHmmmmmm.....Feb 05 20:35
cubezzzI don't think Asay is really part of GNUFeb 05 20:35
ender2070thats why I use fedora-kdeFeb 05 20:36
schestowitzHoly c*Feb 05 20:37
schestowitzDeceiving graphs.Feb 05 20:37
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/microsoft_pays_the_price_literally_for_bings_bigger_share.htmlFeb 05 20:37
cubezzzhttp://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/india.extinct.tribe/index.html?hpt=T2Feb 05 20:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft pays the price, literally, for Bing's bigger market share .::. Size~: 54.96 KBFeb 05 20:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ancient tribe becomes extinct as last member dies - CNN.com .::. Size~: 57.67 KBFeb 05 20:37
schestowitzUS-only... revenue and loss overlappingFeb 05 20:37
schestowitzhe's trying to make Bong (which SPONSORED HIS SITE) look goodFeb 05 20:37
tessierMake a bong?Feb 05 20:38
schestowitzYes, it sells in the streets if it's rolled betterFeb 05 20:39
schestowitzOr piped betterFeb 05 20:40
cubezzzwhich is more under threat? GNU/Linux or Microsft?Feb 05 20:40
cubezzzI'd say Microsoft is the one under threat Feb 05 20:41
cubezzzexcept for there control of OEMs (which I admit is considerable) they would be largely goneFeb 05 20:41
tessierhttp://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Having-a-Bad-Day-SpamOwitzFeb 05 20:43
tessierhahFeb 05 20:43
cubezzzthose OEM contracts need a 2010 updateFeb 05 20:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the difference is that Microsoft is DOOMED.Feb 05 20:44
ender2070kde 4.4 rc3 is running nicelyFeb 05 20:45
cubezzzFurnaceBoy, I'd say we are in a transitional phase at the momentFeb 05 20:45
cubezzzwe have better industry watch-dogs keeping the big M in checkFeb 05 20:45
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FurnaceBoycubezzz: they haven't changed, they cannot change.Feb 05 20:46
FurnaceBoycubezzz: this dooms them Feb 05 20:46
FurnaceBoycubezzz: not adaptable = soon extinctFeb 05 20:46
cubezzzyes, but It's just too slow for my likingFeb 05 20:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: they were never designed for relevance. they were designed to move money.Feb 05 20:47
DaemonFCI'm still on GNOMEFeb 05 20:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: too slow for my liking too.Feb 05 20:47
cubezzzall those windows apps... like quickenFeb 05 20:47
DaemonFCQuicken, run it in WineFeb 05 20:48
cubezzzbut it's happening, I'm optimisticFeb 05 20:48
cubezzznahFeb 05 20:48
DaemonFCfor some reason Oblivion does run in Wine 1.1.37 againFeb 05 20:48
cubezzzI'll use gnucash :)Feb 05 20:48
FurnaceBoycubezzz: maybe when things really start to tank... people will realise the cost of decades of poor choices :)Feb 05 20:48
FurnaceBoycubezzz: ....or not bwahahahaFeb 05 20:49
cubezzzI think the main reason will be moneyFeb 05 20:49
FurnaceBoycubezzz: of course this applies to far more than just microsoft :)Feb 05 20:49
DaemonFCWine 1.1.36 did weird things, like none of the characters had faces :DFeb 05 20:49
cubezzzpeople need to save more moneyFeb 05 20:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Solaris 10 locked room mystery: how do I move /usr and /var from / to their own zpools? http://is.gd/7Mj61 http://is.gd/7Mj6TFeb 05 20:49
DaemonFCand it would freeze and crashFeb 05 20:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: reddragdiva | Solaris 10 locked room mystery: moving /usr and /var from / to their own zpools. .::. Size~: 28.74 KBFeb 05 20:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: reddragdiva: Solaris 10 locked room mystery: moving /usr and /var from / to their own zpools. .::. Size~: 26.76 KBFeb 05 20:49
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yes it's happening. their passing is inexorableFeb 05 20:49
FurnaceBoycubezzz: right. the recession exposes all kinds of things. MS was built for the 80s and 90s type blind excess.Feb 05 20:50
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and it rode high on that, and now it's dying. The End.Feb 05 20:50
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FurnaceBoycubezzz: if RMS hadn't seen so far into the future, we'd have to wait a lot longer.Feb 05 20:51
schestowitztessier: Gary FlatfishFeb 05 20:51
FurnaceBoyMr Planarian?Feb 05 20:51
cubezzzyesFeb 05 20:52
schestowitztessier: that still persists (blank page)Feb 05 20:52
tessierschestowitz: That dude has been harrassing you for years and years. I don't get it.Feb 05 20:52
schestowitztessier: maybe paid shillFeb 05 20:52
cubezzzwe haven't seen mutex for a while though :)Feb 05 20:52
FurnaceBoy"It must be love, love, love..."Feb 05 20:52
tessierschestowitz: The site looks ok to me. shift-reload?Feb 05 20:52
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gary-stewart-flatfish-troll-unmasked/Feb 05 20:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing: “Its made me A LOT of money&.” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 134.31 KBFeb 05 20:52
schestowitztessier: not the wikiFeb 05 20:52
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_PageFeb 05 20:52
tessierhmmFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> *************************************************************Feb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> GET /wiki/index.php/Main_Page HTTP/1.0Feb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> Host: boycottnovell.comFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01Feb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> Accept-Encoding: gzip, bzip2Feb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> Accept-Language: enFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.6rel.5 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8kFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:37] <schestowitz> FurnaceBoy: cache/proxyFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:38] <schestowitz> Cache on another, peripheral vm/serverFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:38] <schestowitz> X-Varnish: 1362320701 1362319747Feb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:38] <schestowitz> Age: 331Feb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:38] <schestowitz> Via: 1.1 varnishFeb 05 20:53
schestowitz[19:38] <schestowitz> Connection: closeFeb 05 20:53
ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-eunRjxco8Feb 05 20:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 05 20:55
tessierschestowitz: When I connect directly to the server I am getting an empty page also.Feb 05 20:55
tessierSomething in httpd/php/wiki is confused.Feb 05 20:55
schestowitzAhh... let me checkFeb 05 20:55
*FurnaceBoy is an http header now? :)Feb 05 20:55
schestowitz"This video contains content from Canadian Broadcasting Corp., who has decided to block it in your country. "Feb 05 20:55
cubezzzyou want me to get it?Feb 05 20:56
cubezzzthen I can host the file for youFeb 05 20:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i haz canadian proxy any time u wantFeb 05 20:56
schestowitzThe weird thing is that if I append "?44433232323" to the page it would load up OKFeb 05 20:56
schestowitzcubezzz: no need now, but thanksFeb 05 20:56
tessierschestowitz: You mean like /wiki/index.php/Main_Page?44433232323 ?Feb 05 20:57
tessierI just did that directly with the server and it didn't work...get an empty page also.Feb 05 20:57
cubezzzrte news does that tooFeb 05 20:58
cubezzzI can't stream video from IrelandFeb 05 20:58
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schestowitzHmmm... I get different pages in Firefox Feb 05 20:59
schestowitzNot the same as in KonquerorFeb 05 20:59
ender2070hahahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqlZgN2ZgZUFeb 05 21:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 05 21:01
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/10-Kernel-Vulnerabilities-in-Ubuntu-6-06-8-04-8-10-9-04-and-9-10-134162.shtmlFeb 05 21:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 10 Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 6.06, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 and 9.10 - Update today - Softpedia .::. Size~: 52.35 KBFeb 05 21:04
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DaemonFCjono must have gotten DoS'd :PFeb 05 21:11
_goblingood evening all.Feb 05 21:13
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schestowitzhttp://techdrivein.blogspot.com/2010/02/google-chrome-os-tablet-demo-video-like.htmlFeb 05 21:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Chrome OS Tablet Demo Video Like a Bolt From The Blue | Tech Drive .::. Size~: 70.88 KBFeb 05 21:16
schestowitztessier: could it be that the RSS fetcher which generates content on the front Wiki page causes issues?Feb 05 21:19
schestowitzWhen we enabled cache you needed to changes something to make it workFeb 05 21:20
schestowitzDisabling (removing) these seems to resolve the issue of blank pagesFeb 05 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @glynmoody The mystery of the disappearing Zune music http://bit.ly/ahch9N you mean they can take DRM'd music *back*? surely not...Feb 05 21:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The mystery of the disappearing Zune music | Digital Noise: Music and Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 110.06 KBFeb 05 21:24
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schestowitzhttp://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2010/02/04/outfoxed "When I first starting running FF, I had half a Gig of RAM and got concerned if I was using more than half of it." I have the same issueFeb 05 21:25
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MinceRafaik it also caches to memory by defaultFeb 05 21:26
MinceRbut that can be reduced or disabledFeb 05 21:26
DaemonFCChromium is in Mandriva's repoFeb 05 21:27
DaemonFCfast as blazes but it doesn't have any good way of blocking adsFeb 05 21:27
DaemonFCI tried to figure out Privoxy, but the Linux version is not very intuitiveFeb 05 21:28
MinceRthere's an ad blocker add-on for chromium, isn't there?Feb 05 21:28
DaemonFCMinceR: Yes and no.Feb 05 21:29
DaemonFCIt's an overglorified element hiderFeb 05 21:29
DaemonFCso it loads the ad and hides it immediatelyFeb 05 21:29
DaemonFCI prefer something that never loads them in the first placeFeb 05 21:29
DaemonFCsaves bandwidth, plugs a potentially malicious element, page loads faster, better privacyFeb 05 21:30
DaemonFCthe add-on for Chrome doesn't give you any of that, it just hides itFeb 05 21:30
MinceRicFeb 05 21:31
DaemonFCaccording to the adblock plugin page for Chrome, there's actually no way to stop Chrome from loading something, but someone on the Chromium project is "working on it"Feb 05 21:31
MinceRlameFeb 05 21:33
DaemonFCon Windows, you can get around that problem with a local proxy that blocks things before feeding the page to the browserFeb 05 21:33
DaemonFCexactly the same way you block ads in Internet Explorer :)Feb 05 21:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have decided that I am going to Dead'n'Buried tomorrow. Cross Kings (basement), 126 York Way N1 0AX http://is.gd/7MlLp £5. You?Feb 05 21:33
MinceRyou can do the same on gnu/linuxFeb 05 21:33
DaemonFCthe problem with IE is that it loads an error page within an iframe the size of the element that was blocked for each missing elementFeb 05 21:34
DaemonFCso you can easily end up with a page that scrolls too slowly to useFeb 05 21:34
DaemonFCmvps.org also seem to be blissfully unaware that Firefox was ever released, they still tell you to use a hosts fileFeb 05 21:36
DaemonFC:DFeb 05 21:36
MinceRthere are lots of problems with ieFeb 05 21:36
DaemonFC127.0.0.1 evil.adserver.netFeb 05 21:36
DaemonFCx 100,000Feb 05 21:36
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: can't Chrome use a local proxy?Feb 05 21:36
DaemonFCthen your entire internet connection becomes unusable because Windows is taking 3 minutes to do a DNS lookupFeb 05 21:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and why doesn't Chrome respect local name service, e.g. /etc/hostsFeb 05 21:36
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: Chrome uses whatever IE is set to useFeb 05 21:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that doesn't make much senseFeb 05 21:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: so exactly the same remedies applyFeb 05 21:37
DaemonFCyeah, except that it makes Chrome slower than FirefoxFeb 05 21:37
FurnaceBoywhy?Feb 05 21:37
MinceRdoesn't chrome let the proxy resolve names then as it should?Feb 05 21:37
DaemonFCI'm not sure really, it's like Privoxy is feeding it the entire page at onceFeb 05 21:37
DaemonFCand until that happens it doesn't render anythingFeb 05 21:38
FurnaceBoydoes squid run on windows?Feb 05 21:38
DaemonFCWikipedia says it does :)Feb 05 21:38
DaemonFCas for HOSTS, everything running on Windows has to respect the HOSTS fileFeb 05 21:39
FurnaceBoyright.Feb 05 21:39
DaemonFCmalware likes to block off antivirus sites with the hosts fileFeb 05 21:39
FurnaceBoyheheFeb 05 21:39
FurnaceBoyand hosts can also be a poor man's adblockerFeb 05 21:40
DaemonFCcracks for Windows activation block off Microsoft's WGA sites with HOSTSFeb 05 21:40
DaemonFCif the system is activated and you install something that needs to know if Windows is genuine and it can't contact the WGA server, it just goes ahead and installsFeb 05 21:41
DaemonFCassumes you're offlineFeb 05 21:41
DaemonFCthat's also how you can get around some licensing systems for Linux softwareFeb 05 21:42
DaemonFCdeny them access to the activation server with iptablesFeb 05 21:42
DaemonFCmost activation crap for Linux software is crude, just checks to see how many people from how many IP addresses are using the same serial number at onceFeb 05 21:43
DaemonFCand bans that serial if more users than they allow are using itFeb 05 21:43
DaemonFCI think the idea is more to keep you from using multiplayerFeb 05 21:44
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schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10447310-16.html oh dearFeb 05 21:50
schestowitzAnd this is the COO of Canonical?Feb 05 21:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple, Google, and the importance of Bing | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 155.46 KBFeb 05 21:50
schestowitz"It's not about loving Microsoft. It's about preserving options...and competition."Feb 05 21:50
schestowitzHa!!!!!1Feb 05 21:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: "It's not about loving Microsoft, it's about loving their money and selling out our users."Feb 05 21:52
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 21:52
DaemonFCinferior search engine but it makes Canonical some $$$'sFeb 05 21:53
MinceRridiculousFeb 05 21:53
DaemonFCUbuntu probably has several million usersFeb 05 21:53
MinceRapparently canonical's leaders have decided it would be fun for them to turn into another novellFeb 05 21:53
DaemonFCI'd estimate that the Yahell deal nets them at least a few hundred thousand dollars over the course of a yearFeb 05 21:54
MinceRand this clown is one of the steps on the wayFeb 05 21:54
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sebsebseb Feb 05 21:54
DaemonFCthat money comes at the direct cost to MozillaFeb 05 21:54
DaemonFCand detracts from Firefox developmentFeb 05 21:54
DaemonFCso now Ubuntu is worse than a passive consumer of FOSS, they are another parasiteFeb 05 21:55
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DaemonFCwell, Mandriva defaults to Ask, but I seriously doubts anyone keeps thatFeb 05 21:56
DaemonFCYahoo might be passable enough to keep users content with itFeb 05 21:56
DaemonFC*doubtFeb 05 21:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ballmer: "There's no chance that the #iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." #microsoftFeb 05 21:56
_goblinlol,,,Feb 05 21:57
_goblinyeah and don't forget.....Feb 05 21:57
_goblinGoogle is a house of cards too.Feb 05 21:57
MinceRat least Ask isn't google and it isn't m$, are they?Feb 05 21:57
DaemonFCnoFeb 05 21:58
schestowitzSJVN on SP4.... blech. http://itexpertvoice.com/ad/there%E2%80%99s-no-reason-to-wait-for-windows-7-sp1/Feb 05 21:59
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Omar87Oh... my.. God.Feb 05 21:59
DaemonFCAsk isn't a terrible engineFeb 05 21:59
Omar87I'm checking out Google's new Map capabilities.Feb 05 22:00
Ender2070Mandriva sucksFeb 05 22:00
Omar87You can take a quick cruise throuth Murphy Street in Califarnia without even having to be there. :DFeb 05 22:00
Ender2070ask is just one of the reasonsFeb 05 22:00
Ender2070no wifi drivers unless you pay for itFeb 05 22:00
DaemonFCEnder2070: WrongFeb 05 22:01
Ender2070dude, I installed it on my notebookFeb 05 22:01
Ender2070no wifi, firmware missingFeb 05 22:01
DaemonFCIt doesn't include binary firmwares by defaultFeb 05 22:01
DaemonFCyou don't have to pay for themFeb 05 22:01
Ender2070they come with powerpackFeb 05 22:01
MinceRneither does debian, but you can download and copy them to their placeFeb 05 22:01
DaemonFCjust go to the Hardware tab and it installs themFeb 05 22:01
DaemonFCnot a huge dealFeb 05 22:01
DaemonFCthe only difference between the free and powerpack is some trialware and legal codecsFeb 05 22:03
Ender2070comes with fedora, ubuntu, arch, opensuse, etcFeb 05 22:03
DaemonFCthere's no important differencesFeb 05 22:03
Ender2070its only intel wirelessFeb 05 22:03
MinceRhm, there's still no 64bit version of Mandriva OneFeb 05 22:03
DaemonFCMinceR: I installed from the Free DVDFeb 05 22:03
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Ender2070yeah thats another reason mandriva sucksFeb 05 22:03
Ender2070no single cd livecd for 64-bitFeb 05 22:03
DaemonFCLiveCDs are overratedFeb 05 22:04
MinceRyour face is overratedFeb 05 22:04
MinceR:>Feb 05 22:04
DaemonFCthey are almost always not done right and are missing things for the sake of cramming it onto a single CDFeb 05 22:04
Ender2070i wouldnt have wasted time downloading 4gb to find out my wifi doesnt work out of the boxFeb 05 22:04
DaemonFCFree as in it doesn't include proprietary softwareFeb 05 22:04
FurnaceBoy' Believe it or not, there are many scenarios where Windows Server and Office are actually the add-ons to other primary purchases. Whenever we make a sale of one of our ERP solutions, Windows Server, Office, and SharePoint make some effortless sales because of it. Cut all the products that generate these types of add-on sales of the "flagship" products, and their sales numbers drop too. 'Feb 05 22:04
DaemonFCthose blobs are proprietary software and you have to install them separately Feb 05 22:05
Ender2070even fedora includes themFeb 05 22:05
DaemonFCsame reason Ubuntu doesn't play MP3sFeb 05 22:05
MinceRi prefer LiveUSBs and LiveDVDs to LiveCDs thoughFeb 05 22:05
DaemonFCOMG, Ubuntu sucks!!!Feb 05 22:05
DaemonFCIt can't play MP3 right away!!!Feb 05 22:05
Omar87DaemonFC: untrue.Feb 05 22:06
DaemonFCthat's totally unreasonable!!!Feb 05 22:06
Ender2070ubuntu does play mp3Feb 05 22:06
DaemonFCUbuntu can't play divx or AAC or most other formatsFeb 05 22:06
DaemonFCand it can't play DVDsFeb 05 22:06
Ender2070this is differentFeb 05 22:06
DaemonFCno it can't, or else it would out of the boxFeb 05 22:06
DaemonFCright awayFeb 05 22:06
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 22:06
Ender2070everyone includes my wifi firmware except mandrivaFeb 05 22:06
DaemonFCjust like WindowsFeb 05 22:06
DaemonFCWindows does play all that out of the box, and it'll set up your wifiFeb 05 22:07
MinceRhttp://fatpita.net/?i=109Feb 05 22:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: fatpita.net :: funny random pictures .::. Size~: 4 KBFeb 05 22:07
DaemonFCgo use WindowsFeb 05 22:07
Ender2070whyFeb 05 22:07
Ender2070fedora works out of the boxFeb 05 22:07
DaemonFCWindows rocks because it can do all that and even you can figure it outFeb 05 22:07
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 22:07
MinceRthere are things to windows nobody will figure out, thoughFeb 05 22:07
Ender2070if the driver exists I shouldn't have to install it manuallyFeb 05 22:07
DaemonFCwell, his point was Mandriva sucks because it can't do something out of the box that's actually very easy to set upFeb 05 22:08
DaemonFChence, he didn't figure it out in 10 minutes of looking, so Mandriva sucksFeb 05 22:08
Ender2070DaemonFC - EVERYONE includes it except Mandriva, and there are other reasons I've explained that cause Mandriva to suckFeb 05 22:08
DaemonFCFedora ships non-free softwareFeb 05 22:08
DaemonFCthat's Fedora's choiceFeb 05 22:08
DaemonFCjust because it's redistributable doesn't make it free or not proprietaryFeb 05 22:09
Ender2070then dont use operaFeb 05 22:09
Ender2070idiotFeb 05 22:09
DaemonFCI didn't say I had a problem with itFeb 05 22:09
DaemonFCI just said that maybe Mandriva made the choice to not ship non-free blobs on their discsFeb 05 22:09
Ender2070I explained that was one of the reasons I consider Mandriva to suckFeb 05 22:10
Ender2070I bet Powerpack doesn't have that problemFeb 05 22:10
DaemonFCand btw, even in Powerpack, you have to go to the Hardware applet to have it pull in the firmwareFeb 05 22:10
DaemonFCit has nothing to do with whether you have pwoerpack or freeFeb 05 22:10
Ender2070then mandriva = lameFeb 05 22:10
Ender2070no wonder they are going bankruptFeb 05 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sorry, grammarians, "Think Different" in #Apple's slogan is not trying to say "Think Differently." (If it had been,they'd have written that)Feb 05 22:10
DaemonFCMe flunk English? That's unpossible!Feb 05 22:11
DaemonFC:DFeb 05 22:11
DaemonFCwell, I'd also argue that since Fedora doesn't work with half the GPUs out there that they suckFeb 05 22:11
DaemonFCthat's actually a lot more important than wifiFeb 05 22:12
DaemonFCespecially on a desktop, where wifi isn't important at allFeb 05 22:12
Ender2070i cant do much without a network connectionFeb 05 22:13
DaemonFCI can't do much without a working GPUFeb 05 22:13
Ender2070sure, CLI worksFeb 05 22:13
Ender2070I can fix it with lynx and a bit of browsingFeb 05 22:13
DaemonFCsure, I'll just go dust off my Pentium Pro and slap Fedora on itFeb 05 22:13
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 22:13
Ender2070gonna need a pentium 2Feb 05 22:13
Ender2070i686 packagesFeb 05 22:14
DaemonFCoh wait, it doesn't work with that eitherFeb 05 22:14
DaemonFCyeah, just thought of thatFeb 05 22:14
Ender2070mandriva will work just as badlyFeb 05 22:14
DaemonFCwell, Mandriva works with my wifi and my GPUFeb 05 22:14
Ender2070i might give it a shot on my desktopFeb 05 22:15
Ender2070if it works with my wifiFeb 05 22:15
DaemonFCI actually got a Netgear WPN111 rigged up with a Windows XP driver through ndiswrapperFeb 05 22:15
Ender2070ewwwFeb 05 22:15
Ender2070disgustingFeb 05 22:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @unhappyhipsters http://tumblr.com/x1p660mko // perspective on that shot is just trippy.Feb 05 22:15
DaemonFCno Linux driver for it and it's what I had on hand :DFeb 05 22:15
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Ender2070does mandriva have kde 4.4 packages?Feb 05 22:16
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DaemonFCI don't use KDE, what I do know is that 2010 has 4.3.2 on the DVDFeb 05 22:16
DaemonFCand 2010.1 Spring Alpha 2 has 4.4 Beta 3Feb 05 22:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] testing from pidgin with xmmpFeb 05 22:17
Ender2070do they have repos?Feb 05 22:17
DaemonFCthey don't use Xine on the KDE side though, so know that, they use GstreamerFeb 05 22:17
Ender2070if they dont im not going to botherFeb 05 22:17
DaemonFCthey have Contrib and BackportsFeb 05 22:17
Ender2070i want the latest kdeFeb 05 22:18
DaemonFCI'm not sure what's in there for KDEFeb 05 22:18
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Ender2070I use 4.4 RC3Feb 05 22:18
DaemonFCI don't have KDE on this system, so I wouldn't know where they are thereFeb 05 22:19
FurnaceBoyLOL! -> http://www.1115.org/2010/02/05/municipal-suicide/Feb 05 22:19
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DaemonFCoddly enough, Mandriva makes a better GNOME distribution than a KDE one, in my opinionFeb 05 22:21
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DaemonFCthey don't make a default choice for you but everyone calsl it a KDE distroFeb 05 22:22
DaemonFCColorado Springs is a good example of what the rich are trying to accomplish, FurnaceBoy Feb 05 22:24
DaemonFCdecimate the tax base and privatize services for themselvesFeb 05 22:24
schestowitzDepends if you like GNOME betterFeb 05 22:24
schestowitzUnless you refers to their polishing and integration alone, of courseFeb 05 22:24
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/mysql-founder-monty-widenius-on-what-to-expect-next-part-2Feb 05 22:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  MySQL Founder Monty Widenius On What to Expect Next: Part 2  .::. Size~: 38.42 KBFeb 05 22:24
schestowitzMore talking points from him via a site I generally distrustFeb 05 22:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: how's Mandriva compared to the rest?Feb 05 22:25
schestowitzI've read what you saidFeb 05 22:25
schestowitz2010.0?Feb 05 22:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: I've ran into a few odd bugs that were rated "WTF!?" by me, but nothing that was an ultimate showstopperFeb 05 22:25
DaemonFCeverything I use is in the repo or in PLFFeb 05 22:26
DaemonFCit's pretty goodFeb 05 22:26
DaemonFCit's not a LiveCD (the x86-64) version, but the default software you get is good enough to start anyone out on without having to look for things to do basicsFeb 05 22:27
DaemonFCno "Where's Quicken?" typesFeb 05 22:27
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DaemonFCschestowitz: The biggest problem I ran into with Mandriva 2010 was having to disable speedboot to get it to load my FGLRX driverFeb 05 22:28
DaemonFCit's been really smooth from there, but it took some digging to solve thatFeb 05 22:28
DaemonFCI ticked up Pulseaudio to realtime with a nice of -11Feb 05 22:29
DaemonFC8-)Feb 05 22:29
DaemonFCsed -i 's/=auto/=no/' /etc/sysconfig/speedbootFeb 05 22:29
DaemonFCas root will disable speedbootFeb 05 22:29
DaemonFCchange the no to yes to turn it onFeb 05 22:30
DaemonFCWorld Of Goo will crash, but it's a bug in World of Goo, not MandrivaFeb 05 22:30
DaemonFChappens on Ubuntu and Fedora too :DFeb 05 22:30
DaemonFCthere's a patch from 2dboy for thatFeb 05 22:30
DaemonFClatest FGLRX is in nonfree backports, was happy to see they keep up with thatFeb 05 22:31
DaemonFCUbuntu is still like 3 versions behindFeb 05 22:32
DaemonFCthis month's FGLRX was a disappointment, no X Server 1.7 support, no new features, 6 bug fixes and that's thatFeb 05 22:33
DaemonFC:(Feb 05 22:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: Something got fixed somewhere along the way and Windows games that use shaders work in Wine now on ATI cards. Not as fast as on Nvidia, but they do render correctly and don't crashFeb 05 22:35
DaemonFCI'm hopeful this gets better as time goes onFeb 05 22:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right. it's hilariously stupid.Feb 05 22:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: (re Colorado Springs)Feb 05 22:37
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: It's just the Teabaggers getting what they wantedFeb 05 22:39
DaemonFCidiotsFeb 05 22:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Number 7 your time is up! – You’ve had the taster, now pay the reaper… http://tinyurl.com/ybjzokc #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7Feb 05 22:46
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Chips_B_Malroyvery old post, hope you have this one Roy:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/20/be_inc_sues_microsoft/Feb 05 22:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Lorraine Kelly being interviewed by Jonathan Ross, all I can do to stop smirking and thinking "can you see my growler?!" #fbFeb 05 22:54
Chips_B_Malroyyes its BeOS stuff, I know there's still lots more stuff relating to OS/2 vs MS that needs bringing up, but I ran across theseFeb 05 22:56
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/Feb 05 22:56
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cubezzzI liked BeoS Feb 05 22:56
cubezzztoo bad it wasn't FOSSFeb 05 22:57
MinceRtoo bad it wasn't multiuser and lacked access controlFeb 05 22:57
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOSFeb 05 22:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BeOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 54.41 KBFeb 05 22:57
cubezzzIt's interesting though, now people really are considering windows alternativesFeb 05 22:58
Chips_B_MalroyQuote from above link:  "In 2002, Be Inc. sued [4] Microsoft claiming that Hitachi had been dissuaded from selling PCs loaded with BeOS, and that Compaq had been pressured to not market an Internet appliance in partnership with Be. BeOS also claimed that Microsoft acted to artificially depress Be Inc's IPO. The case was eventually settled out of court[5] with no admission of liability on Microsoft's part."Feb 05 22:58
cubezzzback in 2001 I gather it was far less soFeb 05 22:59
cubezzzyeah that's badFeb 05 22:59
cubezzzScot Hacker was wrong thoughFeb 05 22:59
cubezzz"It is unlikely now that anyone will ever again attempt what Be, Amiga, and IBM attempted. And that's the saddest thing of all -- the insidious ways in which the monopoly has wormed itself into the fabric of our economy and culture."Feb 05 22:59
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> I was never a big fan of BeOS, but like Linux, OS/2, I did try to dabble with it.   And yes, the mulituser interface was missing I believeFeb 05 23:00
cubezzzthere's Sun, there's BSD and of course GNU/LinuxFeb 05 23:00
Chips_B_Malroyeven back then I somehow felt Linux was better than BeOSFeb 05 23:00
cubezzzeverything derives from AT&T Unix though, notice that?Feb 05 23:01
cubezzzall the ones still activeFeb 05 23:01
MinceRit's not an interface feature :>Feb 05 23:01
Chips_B_Malroybackground of the guy who ran BeOS  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9eFeb 05 23:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jean-Louis Gassée - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.52 KBFeb 05 23:01
cubezzzthe guys who first worked on Unix came up with a lot of good ideasFeb 05 23:03
Chips_B_Malroyquote from the very first link (registar):  "Microsoft sent two U.S. managers to Japan who expressed their 'anger' with Hitachi over its arrangement with Be, and 'reminded' Hitachi of the terms of its Windows license," according to the claim. "Feb 05 23:04
cubezzzthere is _some_ OEM support for LinuxFeb 05 23:04
Chips_B_Malroythis is how the monopoly keeps other OS off computersFeb 05 23:04
Chips_B_Malroyenforces the monopolyFeb 05 23:04
cubezzzthere's cracks in their monopoly now :)Feb 05 23:04
cubezzzthe illusion of the all-powerful Big M is fading awayFeb 05 23:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What Microsoft giveth the Microsoft taketh away? – Xbox Live & Zune issues? http://tinyurl.com/yks2y2j #microsoft #xbox360 #zune #xboxFeb 05 23:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Microsoft giveth the Microsoft taketh away?  Xbox Live & Zune issues? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 29.63 KBFeb 05 23:05
cubezzzyou can see by Hacker's tone that he thought it was _hopeless_ to fight Microsoft for the OS spaceFeb 05 23:05
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/  "DOJ Misses the Point On request of the DOJ, Gassée had several pre-trial conversations with prosecuting attorney David Boies* and Assistant Attorney General Joel Klein. Gassée explained the bootloader situation to them. They listened and heard. But they did not ask Gassée to testify on the bootloader issue. Instead, they asked Gassée to testify on the matter of Feb 05 23:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: He Who Controls the Bootloader .::. Size~: 21.16 KBFeb 05 23:07
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cubezzzon the matter of...?Feb 05 23:08
cubezzzI guess I'll read it in the other window :)Feb 05 23:08
Chips_B_Malroyeventually Palmsource (Access) bought the rights to BeOS,  and Yellowtab, which made Zeta, was shut down by Lefty who works for AccessFeb 05 23:08
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_goblinA lefty.....Feb 05 23:09
_goblinthe chap who appeared to believe the "UFO over Moscow" storyFeb 05 23:10
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Chips_B_Malroythee Lefty, as in LumpyFeb 05 23:10
Chips_B_MalroyubertrollFeb 05 23:10
_goblinyou mean Stonemirror on twitter?Feb 05 23:10
Chips_B_MalroyyepFeb 05 23:10
Chips_B_Malroysame one that seems to hate rms and gnuFeb 05 23:11
Chips_B_Malroybut loves monoFeb 05 23:11
Chips_B_MalroyAccessFeb 05 23:11
_goblindon't really read his rambling unless his Lin^^^ children are talking to him.Feb 05 23:12
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Chips_B_MalroyI only mention the ending just to tie in the story of BeOS.  The fact that the bootloader of windows was never really challeged by the DOJ during the antitrust hearingsFeb 05 23:13
cubezzzI'd like to tell Hacker I have a whole house full of non doze computers :)Feb 05 23:13
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cubezzztoo bad I can't time travel to 2001Feb 05 23:13
_goblinyou can....Feb 05 23:13
_goblinboot up Windows 7Feb 05 23:13
Chips_B_MalroyThe problem Beos had, is why OEM's still to this day, have not had dual boot machines for saleFeb 05 23:13
cubezzzDOJ f*cked upFeb 05 23:13
_goblinthat runs like machines did in 2001Feb 05 23:13
cubezzz_goblin, I'm on my p3 at the moment :)Feb 05 23:14
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I expect Roy already has the story in the archives somewhere, but if not, its a good oneFeb 05 23:14
cubezzzI'll have to decline doze7Feb 05 23:14
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Chips_B_MalroyI playing around with a new hd on the desktop with a partial install of Arch 64Feb 05 23:15
_goblinits humbling......over the last week I have not posted a thing on my site yet I still get an average of 900 UIP's daily.....Feb 05 23:15
_goblinfeel a little bad that people visit and theres no new stuff.Feb 05 23:15
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Chips_B_MalroyGoblin, would the BeOS stuff make a good story on your site?Feb 05 23:16
_goblindefinatelyFeb 05 23:16
ender2070mandriva isnt very good for kdeFeb 05 23:16
_goblintheres no off limit subjects.Feb 05 23:16
_goblinyour last article chips was VERY popular readers wiseFeb 05 23:16
Chips_B_MalroyI think I am doing something wrong here with ArchFeb 05 23:17
_goblininfact chips, you article was the third most popular article on Openbytes......Feb 05 23:17
Chips_B_MalroyI got the install ok, but maybe I did not get all the packages installed rightFeb 05 23:17
_goblinbeaten only by Facebook of Ballmer and France saying "Bonjour" to FOSS.Feb 05 23:17
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Chips_B_Malroysadly, Goblin, my spelling and typo's do not help in your articles.  My prove reading is not the bestFeb 05 23:18
ender2070kde 4.3.2 is so oldFeb 05 23:18
Chips_B_Malroydoes Arch install Xorg by default, anyone know?Feb 05 23:19
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cubezzzold ;)Feb 05 23:20
Chips_B_Malroyhave to try another install of it another dayFeb 05 23:20
cubezzzlet me let you about old :)Feb 05 23:20
cubezzzyggdrasil = oldFeb 05 23:20
Chips_B_Malroyreally oldFeb 05 23:20
cubezzzkde 4.3.2 != oldFeb 05 23:20
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FurnaceBoy_goblin: haha, today I got this feedback on my site: "Great product. However this website needs some serious work in architecture, visual design, and basic web design standards."Feb 05 23:20
FurnaceBoy_goblin: the visual design part, definitely. that's the problem with a spare-time site. :-XFeb 05 23:21
ender2070it should be 4.3.5Feb 05 23:22
Chips_B_MalroyFunaceBoy> can u give a link to your site?Feb 05 23:23
cubezzzGreat Product?Feb 05 23:23
*cubezzz blinksFeb 05 23:23
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Chips_B_MalroyFurnaceBoy> sorry about spellingFeb 05 23:24
ender2070by far the best kde so far is fedora-kde and kubuntuFeb 05 23:24
_goblinfurnaceboy: Whats your site? I'll link it.Feb 05 23:24
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_goblinchips_B_Malroy: Np, I can run it though a spell check and proof read it myself....although I too am guilty of the same sin!Feb 05 23:25
cubezzz"o why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale? The answer lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with hardware vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed to by hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers they sell. This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I Accept" to when installing Windows. This license is not available online. This is a confidential license"Feb 05 23:26
Chips_B_Malroynon disclosure agreementFeb 05 23:26
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Chips_B_MalroyNDAFeb 05 23:26
cubezzzbut someone might have leaked it somewhereFeb 05 23:27
cubezzzit would be interesting to seeFeb 05 23:27
Chips_B_Malroythe worst agreements are verbal nda'sFeb 05 23:27
ender2070they should name it lamdrivaFeb 05 23:27
ender2070lamedrivaFeb 05 23:28
cubezzzDell must have cracked the dual boot limitation thoughFeb 05 23:28
cubezzzthey definitely are selling dual-boot laptopsFeb 05 23:28
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Chips_B_MalroyYou mean with ARM chips on INtel boards?  Where linux is in a flash rom chipFeb 05 23:28
cubezzzno, I mean it's got Ubuntu and doze on the hdFeb 05 23:29
Chips_B_Malroyonly dual boot I know that a major OEM can get away with.  Because Linux is not on the HDFeb 05 23:29
MinceRthere probably are SplashTop (and similar) laptops sold already, that's dual-booting on the same CPUFeb 05 23:29
cubezzzit could be the Linux boxes also have doze thoughFeb 05 23:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Seems like Microsoft has finally got around to putting filters on its RT bots...Openbytes articles don't seem to be RT'd by them anymore ;)Feb 05 23:30
cubezzzyou can't say Dell doesn't have Linux boxes, I've seen themFeb 05 23:30
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ender2070I've purchased a dell linux notebookFeb 05 23:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I wonder how much Twitter server load can be attributed to the Microsoft PR machine?Feb 05 23:31
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Chips_B_MalroyGoblin, maybe bing wants to filter out anything negative about M$?Feb 05 23:31
MinceRi've purchased a dell freedos notebook, and the problem was that it was a dellFeb 05 23:32
cubezzzI'm on Bing and I'm prety anti-Microsoft :)Feb 05 23:32
ender2070heresyFeb 05 23:32
ender2070bing sucksFeb 05 23:32
cubezzzI was just curiousFeb 05 23:32
Chips_B_Malroythere are worse than dellFeb 05 23:32
cubezzzI'm even number one on bing with "cubeman" :)Feb 05 23:32
Chips_B_MalroyI have two HP laptops given to me brokenFeb 05 23:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh yes, and Im back. Busy week forced me away from the PC! Now to check up on those cheeky Microsoft advocates.Feb 05 23:33
MinceRi did try bingo several timesFeb 05 23:33
MinceRit always gave worse results than googleFeb 05 23:33
Chips_B_Malroymostly the have poor power supply connectors, and things that die on the motherboard more frequentlyFeb 05 23:33
cubezzzyeah but Dell used to be goodFeb 05 23:33
cubezzzone of my customers has a Dell from 1996 that still works Feb 05 23:34
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MinceRprobably before i bought one of their craptopsFeb 05 23:34
cubezzzI like Tyan for motherboardsFeb 05 23:34
cubezzznot sure if they make laptop boards thoughFeb 05 23:34
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*tessier likes SupermicroFeb 05 23:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] ROH, TNA or WWE? For me its a tough call between ROH & TNA, both are great shows/showcases for the sport at the moment.Feb 05 23:36
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Chips_B_MalroyThanks, FurnaceBoyFeb 05 23:39
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Chips_B_MalroyThe interesting thing about BeOS to me, was it was settled out of court, with a NDAFeb 05 23:44
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DaemonFChmmm, they got AcetoneISO fixedFeb 05 23:44
cubezzzlolFeb 05 23:45
Chips_B_Malroywhich imples that BeOS got paid off by MSFeb 05 23:45
DaemonFCit wouldn't in stall for me in 2009.1 Spring, I had to fall back to nrg2isoFeb 05 23:45
cubezzzlike everything was NDA thoughFeb 05 23:45
DaemonFC*installFeb 05 23:45
Chips_B_Malroyfor the same reasons that BeOS most likely got paid off, is why we don't have dual boot systems todayFeb 05 23:46
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Chips_B_MalroyM$ knows that if an OEM takes them to court for the same reasons as BeOS did, they lose.Feb 05 23:46
cubezzzI made a doze7/Fedora 11 dual boot laptop for a customerFeb 05 23:47
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cubezzzit was a pain too :)Feb 05 23:47
Chips_B_Malroyanytime I have to work with windows is a painFeb 05 23:47
Chips_B_Malroyone word--malwareFeb 05 23:48
Chips_B_Malroywindows=malwareFeb 05 23:48
cubezzzhehFeb 05 23:48
cubezzzI knew you were going to say thatFeb 05 23:49
Chips_B_Malroyits either malware or the regristary that is hosed usually when someone brings me a windows machine to fixFeb 05 23:49
Chips_B_Malroya leopard cannot change its spotsFeb 05 23:49
Chips_B_MalroycubezzzFeb 05 23:49
cubezzzbtw what browser did BeOS use?Feb 05 23:50
cubezzzyeah I have to fix doze boxes tooFeb 05 23:51
Chips_B_Malroynet something, I thinkFeb 05 23:51
Chips_B_Malroynettraker maybeFeb 05 23:52
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DaemonFCcubezzz: NetPositiveFeb 05 23:52
cubezzzahFeb 05 23:52
DaemonFCthe browser also used haikus for error messagesFeb 05 23:52
DaemonFC:)Feb 05 23:52
Chips_B_Malroyah, a former BeOS userFeb 05 23:52
DaemonFCwhich is why Haiku is the name for the new BeOS-like OS being developed Feb 05 23:53
DaemonFCI liked BeOSFeb 05 23:53
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I have that in a vmFeb 05 23:53
Chips_B_MalroyhaikuFeb 05 23:53
DaemonFCFirefox build and runs still, even on the original BeOSFeb 05 23:53
DaemonFCsame build runs on HaikuFeb 05 23:53
DaemonFCthe problem with Haiku is that they still have to use gcc 3.2 as their compiler or they will break compatibility with BeOSFeb 05 23:54
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DaemonFCso they're working out a system where they can have a BeOS classic environment within an OS that can be built with GCC 4.xFeb 05 23:55
DaemonFCpersonally, I think it's kind of a waste of time given how much Linux has advanced in the last 10 yearsFeb 05 23:56
DaemonFCa project like this would make more sense to me in the context of ten years agoFeb 05 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> similar to what I would like to do with a vm to use earilier libraries to run WP8, Corel Photopaint, and Loki gamesFeb 05 23:56
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DaemonFCin the context where Windows user installs Linux, nothing works, no GPU acceleration, can't get online, no printer, fuck it, reinstall Windows *sigh*Feb 05 23:57
DaemonFCthat's where Linux was in 2000Feb 05 23:57
Chips_B_Malroyyou have to use old versions of gccFeb 05 23:57
cubezzzcan't get online? give me a break :)Feb 05 23:58
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DaemonFCnobody wants to have to go shopping for Brand X Widget Y Model T3729 Version Foo to know that it will run in Linux, repeat for every widget in the systemFeb 05 23:58
DaemonFCand for the vast majority of hardware, you don't need to anymoreFeb 05 23:59
cubezzzyeah and I didn't Feb 05 23:59
cubezzzI went into Linux twice, first in 1994Feb 05 23:59
cubezzzthen again in 2003Feb 05 23:59
cubezzzin 2003-> present I've stuck with itFeb 05 23:59
DaemonFCso that's, I think, why Linux failed spectacularly in retail back thenFeb 05 23:59

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