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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 7th, 2010

-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Catholic Church still quietly shuffling its criminal priests around http://bit.ly/aG584ZFeb 07 00:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Father Richard Abourjaily .::. Size~: 71.79 KBFeb 07 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] decided to download Fedora 12 to try on the netbook tomorrow, it's been a whileFeb 07 00:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Goddamn I love RationalWiki. http://is.gd/7QrEx http://is.gd/7QrIMFeb 07 00:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Kadir-Buxton Method - RationalWiki .::. Size~: 20.36 KBFeb 07 00:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Petition to: ensure the use of The Kadir-Buxton Method to cure the mentally ill in the NHS. | Number10.gov.uk .::. Size~: 11.42 KBFeb 07 00:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Ah, Babylon 5. One of the greatest TV shows ever. Probably the greatest American TV show. Glad we bought the DVDs.Feb 07 00:32
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ender2070Kubuntu isn't too badFeb 07 00:39
ender2070at least it uses kpackagekitFeb 07 00:40
MinceRand no pulseaudio nor mono in the default install... for now.Feb 07 00:41
ender2070ohFeb 07 00:41
ender2070I like pulseaudioFeb 07 00:42
MinceRi don't trust it yet, i have bad experience with itFeb 07 00:42
ender2070its worked out flawless for meFeb 07 00:43
MinceRand if the ubuntu package of it is installed then it forces itself on meFeb 07 00:43
ender2070even with my logitech usb headsetFeb 07 00:43
ender2070when I plug it in, it automatically switches the audio over for meFeb 07 00:43
ender2070you need pulseaudio control panel or it sucksFeb 07 00:44
ender2070opensuse kde was missing mono tooFeb 07 00:44
schestowitzpulseaudo is said to be poorly integrated into Ubuntu, by UbuntuFeb 07 01:01
schestowitzThe developers of pa (from Fedora now, AFAIK, paid by RHT) hats Ubuntu for what they do to the reputation of is programFeb 07 01:02
schestowitz /hats/hatesFeb 07 01:02
schestowitz /is/his/Feb 07 01:02
schestowitz /developers/developer/ (man, I gotta get so,me sleep!!)Feb 07 01:02
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sebsebseb Feb 07 01:12
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ender2070yes im awareFeb 07 01:19
ender2070ubuntu doesnt even include the proper pulse audio mixerFeb 07 01:19
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yuhongHere is the real reason why MS recommends an upgrade to IE8, (it is not because it is not vulnerable!):Feb 07 01:30
yuhonghttp://blogs.technet.com/srd/archive/2010/01/15/assessing-risk-of-ie-0day-vulnerability.aspxFeb 07 01:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Security Research & Defense : Assessing risk of IE 0day vulnerability .::. Size~: 32.21 KBFeb 07 01:30
yuhonghttp://blogs.technet.com/srd/archive/2010/01/20/reports-of-dep-being-bypassed.aspxFeb 07 01:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Security Research & Defense : Reports of DEP being bypassed .::. Size~: 30.68 KBFeb 07 01:31
schestowitzWHich one is this?Feb 07 01:31
schestowitzThere are severalFeb 07 01:31
schestowitzMany patches comingFeb 07 01:31
schestowitzMany dozens that Microsoft admitsFeb 07 01:31
schestowitzPlus the hidden ones, as usualFeb 07 01:31
yuhongThe out-of-band one.Feb 07 01:31
schestowitzOh thatFeb 07 01:31
yuhongAbout IE.Feb 07 01:31
schestowitzI see the dates nowFeb 07 01:31
schestowitzIE is dyingFeb 07 01:31
schestowitzAs a dominant browserFeb 07 01:31
yuhongI know, I don't use IE very often even on Windows anymore.Feb 07 01:32
schestowitzSilver Lie never took offFeb 07 01:32
yuhongThough I heard about someone using it to create a Ogg Theora decoder, what do you think?Feb 07 01:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Games: Primal Carnage is Coming to #GNU #Linux Later This Year http://www.devmaster.net/news/index.php?storyid=2418Feb 07 01:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 07 01:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Compiling One's Own Platform is Valuable http://www.hotaboutlinux.com/2010/02/why-compile-a-new-kernel/Feb 07 01:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Gets Fresher in Next Version http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/11391.htmlFeb 07 01:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A fresher Linux desktop .::. Size~: 34.27 KBFeb 07 01:42
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @tuxmaniac: Linus Torvalds buys a #nexusone http://is.gd/7QgF4 - Happy Camper!Feb 07 01:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] There is no spoon. Just a hologram of one. o_0 http://is.gd/7QH3YFeb 07 01:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNOME Journal is Released http://ur1.ca/lom8 http://ur1.ca/lom9 http://ur1.ca/lomaFeb 07 01:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Our world may be a giant hologram - space - 15 January 2009 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 219.4 KBFeb 07 01:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The GNOME Journal: GNOME Boston Summit 2009 .::. Size~: 33.18 KBFeb 07 01:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The GNOME Journal: Interview with Jonathan Thomas, creator of the OpenShot video editor .::. Size~: 9.62 KBFeb 07 01:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The GNOME Journal: Writing Multimedia Applications with Vala .::. Size~: 12.91 KBFeb 07 01:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good Reviews of #Clonezilla and #Pardus 2009.1 http://ur1.ca/lomc http://ur1.ca/lomdFeb 07 01:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Clonezilla (Live & Server Edition) review | Linux User .::. Size~: 31.11 KBFeb 07 01:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pardus 2009.1 Review «  Distrocheck .::. Size~: 38.74 KBFeb 07 01:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010.1 Progresses to Second Alpha http://ur1.ca/lome http://ur1.ca/lomfFeb 07 02:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mandriva Linux 2010 Spring Alpha2 available! «  The Official Mandriva Blog .::. Size~: 9.89 KBFeb 07 02:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mandriva booth in FOSDEM «  The Official Mandriva Blog .::. Size~: 10.37 KBFeb 07 02:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @achitnis: RT @nimbuin: New post, What web designers should know about EPUB http://is.gd/7PNd2Feb 07 02:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Web Designers need to know about EPUB  | Nimbupani Designs .::. Size~: 19.1 KBFeb 07 02:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just noticed twitter/facebook/gtalk/irc are productivity killers and i am not goin to use them today, see you all tomorrow;Feb 07 02:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Derivatives Find New Creative Ways to Distribute #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/lomh http://ur1.ca/lomiFeb 07 02:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: rPath Eliminates the “Pain of Change” for Linux Shops .::. Size~: 17.92 KBFeb 07 02:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A new Linux flavor for the Cloud  | Informatics Iron | GenomeWeb .::. Size~: 28.88 KBFeb 07 02:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux as Server, Laptop http://ur1.ca/lomm http://ur1.ca/lomnFeb 07 02:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu Server Evaluation and Training .::. Size~: 26.32 KBFeb 07 02:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu 9.10 on Dell Latitude D820 Laptop | Open Source Ecology .::. Size~: 53.41 KBFeb 07 02:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Devices ( #Linksys Routers) Come to #India http://ur1.ca/lomqFeb 07 02:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech Ticker |   Linux-powered Linksys WRT160NL Router comes to India .::. Size~: 45.99 KBFeb 07 02:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Applications for #Linux #Phones Mean Money http://ur1.ca/lomx http://ur1.ca/lomyFeb 07 02:06
qu1j0t3schestowitz hmmmmm http://salon.com/books/history/index.html?story=/books/feature/2010/02/03/david_aaronovitch_conspiracy_theories  manages to equate Naomi Klein and 9/11 researchers with "The Da Vinci Code".Feb 07 02:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: How to make money from your Android apps | Linux User .::. Size~: 30.91 KBFeb 07 02:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: History - Salon.com .::. Size~: 90.37 KBFeb 07 02:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux #Tablets Appear at the Scene http://ur1.ca/lon4 http://ur1.ca/lon5 http://ur1.ca/lon6Feb 07 02:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: X2 launches iTablet for Windows and Linux News - PC Advisor .::. Size~: 81.6 KBFeb 07 02:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Enters the Tablet Fray | Technology | Financial Articles & Investing News | TheStreet.com .::. Size~: 106.24 KBFeb 07 02:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: iFreeTablet: Another competitor of iPad | Walyou .::. Size~: 36.19 KBFeb 07 02:08
tessier_I can't believe nothing interesting has happened in SCO vs IBM in so long.Feb 07 02:12
tessier_I've practically quit following groklaw even.Feb 07 02:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pound for pound, bats can drink you under the table http://is.gd/7QMNg ah, goths and their reputationFeb 07 02:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pound for pound, bats can drink you under the table .::. Size~: 28.78 KBFeb 07 02:29
qu1j0t3ouch: http://twitter.com/HappyFeminist/status/8744350228Feb 07 02:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / The Happy Feminist: Wow...essentially saying t ... .::. Size~: 10.42 KBFeb 07 02:32
qu1j0t3Palin is Apocalyptically stupid and dangerousFeb 07 02:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wow. Reasons to *actively avoid* reading LiveJournal, ever again: http://is.gd/7QQ3AFeb 07 02:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 07 02:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] DofT "sexed up" #Heathrow runway case, deleted the evidence. Got déjà vu? http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7017943.ece #ukFeb 07 02:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Heathrow airport expansion cover-up - Times Online  .::. Size~: 105.8 KBFeb 07 02:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@HappyFeminist No, YOU invented #TeaFuckery! http://twitter.com/HappyFeminist/statuses/8744350228 <- Palin discussing #Israel is just scaryFeb 07 02:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] initial impressions of fedora 12 xfce live is pretty good, worth exploring more before deciding to installFeb 07 03:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Google cache of that last one. http://is.gd/7QSol - malware-infected popups/interstitial ads on LiveJournal.Feb 07 03:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LiveJournal, Malware, Interstitial Advertising and You // VOID-STAR.NET .::. Size~: 49.22 KBFeb 07 03:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@EvilSlutClique eating *any* vegetable is now considered 'elitist'. You can only trust #food designed by corporations!Feb 07 03:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@whisper1111 so pleased i missed her // wish I had, but I checked @twitter :(Feb 07 03:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] lol #TuxRadar "Steve Jobs doing a job share with RMS"Feb 07 03:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Watching Babylon 5 - 4th season episode, ISN reporter, floating camera dies. Vicky says it was Windows based!Feb 07 03:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] card command in linux - card ls -o filename creates a PS ref card of ls flags called filename - credit #tuxradarFeb 07 04:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone know if there's gonna be a Crunchbang 9.10 sometime this year?Feb 07 04:12
sebsebsebhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/google-to-send-internet-explorer-6-users-packing-come-march.arsFeb 07 04:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google to send Internet Explorer 6 users packing come March .::. Size~: 28.81 KBFeb 07 04:12
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qu1j0t3no doubt everyone's seen... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100206170554489Feb 07 05:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Groklaw - Microsoft and Innovation --  On  iTunes, 2003: "We were smoked" .::. Size~: 49.03 KBFeb 07 05:16
qu1j0t3"Aside from the obvious answer that monopolies don't usually bestir themselves unless they have to, ..."Feb 07 05:16
qu1j0t3'I think you will agree with my opinion, that Brass's characterization of Microsoft as "a largely accidental monopolist" is hardly accurate.'Feb 07 05:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Vidal: "Hitchens identified himself for many years as the heir to me ... unfortunately, for him, I didn't die." (via @alykhansatchu)Feb 07 05:32
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/drgrist/status/8752448727Feb 07 05:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / David Roberts: RT @ebertchicago: http://t ... .::. Size~: 10.44 KBFeb 07 05:34
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/martenmickos/status/8751775889Feb 07 05:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Mårten Mickos: Matt Asay (@mjasay) of ope ... .::. Size~: 7.47 KBFeb 07 05:41
qu1j0t3^^ This is called, parlayingFeb 07 05:41
qu1j0t3Asay has used his connections. Shall we find out what he believes in? And will that turn out to be MONEY?Feb 07 05:41
qu1j0t3how banal.Feb 07 05:42
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DaemonFCoh this is just messed upFeb 07 05:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Palin *would* bring a notepad to a teleprompter fight.Feb 07 05:50
DaemonFC"To help protect your computer Windows has closed Windows Explore"Feb 07 05:50
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, you sound surprisedFeb 07 05:51
DaemonFCyeah, Ustream was playing the Palin Teabagger Speech Feb 07 05:51
*DaemonFC pukesFeb 07 05:51
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, this is part of the Windows Experience(TM)Feb 07 05:51
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, I almost avoided the whole sick epic, but i follow too many ppl who tweeted it.Feb 07 05:51
qu1j0t3just when i thought i was out... they drag me back in...Feb 07 05:52
DaemonFCI tried calling ZT Systems to get my Windows 7 serial back which is what Microsoft told me to doFeb 07 05:52
DaemonFCand I got this guy with the thick Indian accent telling me that I didn't need a serial with that discFeb 07 05:52
DaemonFCI felt like screaming "DUMBASS, I'll just tell all the people on The Pirate Bay that then and post an ISO of my Windows disc!!!!"Feb 07 05:53
DaemonFC:DFeb 07 05:53
DaemonFChe probably meant I wouldn't need to put in a serial if I put Vista on and then popped in the Windows 7 discFeb 07 05:53
DaemonFCthen  5 hours later I'm up and running againFeb 07 05:54
DaemonFCno thanksFeb 07 05:54
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, learn something. ditch it.Feb 07 05:54
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, this isn't the last time Feb 07 05:54
DaemonFCI just love how Microsoft refuses to support anything labeled OEMFeb 07 05:55
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, ppl gain a ridiculously high tolerance for this crapFeb 07 05:55
qu1j0t3DaemonFC, and it doesn't help remove itFeb 07 05:55
DaemonFCso Microsoft refuses to support probably 95% of Windows installs out thereFeb 07 05:55
DaemonFCjust won't touch itFeb 07 05:55
qu1j0t3you sound surprised...Feb 07 05:56
DaemonFCit's easy to see why a company would put out crap when they have no competitors and no obligation to support itFeb 07 05:56
qu1j0t3no shit.Feb 07 05:56
qu1j0t3you only just figured this out?Feb 07 05:56
DaemonFCI never really looked at how bad support was for OEM WindowsFeb 07 05:57
DaemonFCnever had toFeb 07 05:57
DaemonFCIt would be like, a car company with no competitors and no legal obligation to put a warranty on the cars they madeFeb 07 05:58
DaemonFCyou wouldn't get a fine automobile :)Feb 07 05:58
qu1j0t3rightFeb 07 06:03
DaemonFCI think there should be a lemon law for softwareFeb 07 06:04
DaemonFCwhere if it doesn't meet your expectations, you have 3 days to return itFeb 07 06:04
DaemonFCI think a lot of companies would start caring about qualityFeb 07 06:04
qu1j0t3:)Feb 07 06:05
qu1j0t3yeah. i got burned this morning by HP Scan software.Feb 07 06:05
qu1j0t32 hours doing a multipage fileFeb 07 06:05
DaemonFCafter a few months of using Windows 7, I give it a Below Expectations, whereas I rate Vista as Totally UnacceptableFeb 07 06:06
DaemonFCWindows 7 got them on par with XP as far as I sayFeb 07 06:06
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tessier_NetApplications released its figures for January 2010, and it seems that after only three months of availability, Microsoft's latest baby has already hit the 10% market share mark.Feb 07 06:52
tessier_http://www.osnews.com/story/22823/Windows_7_Market_Share_Reaches_10_Feb 07 06:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows 7 Market Share Reaches 10% .::. Size~: 19.46 KBFeb 07 06:52
cubezzzbecause OEMs all sell doze :-/Feb 07 06:55
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FurnaceBoyi'm not even sure why they call it 'market share' under the circumstances.Feb 07 07:02
cubezzzDell is such a pussyFeb 07 07:16
cubezzzdisappointed againFeb 07 07:16
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sebsebsebUbuntu users and their Windows 7Feb 07 07:40
sebsebseboh yes that's rightFeb 07 07:40
sebsebsebloads of them want to dual boot it with Windows 7Feb 07 07:40
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy:  cubezzzFeb 07 07:41
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sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: that's also kind of funny your market share commentFeb 07 07:41
sebsebsebyeah the Desktop market really isn't fairFeb 07 07:41
DaemonFCsebsebseb, It's not a bad thingFeb 07 07:42
DaemonFCit's enough that it sparked their interestFeb 07 07:42
sebsebsebDaemonFC: what?Feb 07 07:42
DaemonFCyou take the training wheels off the bike eventually, right?Feb 07 07:42
sebsebsebyeah, but  some will keep dual boot for agesFeb 07 07:43
sebsebsebmany evenFeb 07 07:43
DaemonFCwell, I mean they spend more time in Ubuntu and less time in Windows 7, and by the time Windows "next" gets here, maybe they don't care enough to buy itFeb 07 07:43
DaemonFCI call that a winFeb 07 07:43
sebsebsebwell some will spend more time in Windows 7Feb 07 07:44
DaemonFCthat's still not a bad thingFeb 07 07:44
DaemonFCit's not like it's hurt Linux as a whole that they don't jump over entirelyFeb 07 07:44
DaemonFCit's either a plus or a draw as far as Linux goesFeb 07 07:44
DaemonFCI would never use something like Wubi, but I can see why it's on the CDFeb 07 07:45
DaemonFC"Why not?"Feb 07 07:45
sebsebsebyep better them having Desktop Linux in some form or the other, instead of none at allFeb 07 07:46
DaemonFCsome exposure beats total ignoranceFeb 07 07:47
DaemonFCit's one less person that says "What is Linux?"Feb 07 07:47
sebsebsebye[Feb 07 07:47
sebsebsebyepFeb 07 07:47
DaemonFCthe one thing I wouldn't mind seeing is some decent open source ATI driversFeb 07 07:49
DaemonFCFGLRX is fine for games, but Compiz is......less than optimal?Feb 07 07:49
DaemonFCKwin is worse, it might just dieFeb 07 07:50
DaemonFCand then as an accessory, whenever ATI does fix a handful of bugs, Ubuntu doesn't ship the new driverFeb 07 07:50
DaemonFCthis last 6 months has been really lousy, even by ATI's standardsFeb 07 07:51
DaemonFCI hate test messagingFeb 07 07:54
DaemonFC*textFeb 07 07:54
DaemonFCso naturally it's all anyone doesFeb 07 07:54
DaemonFC"It only costs 10 cents a text while typing with our thumbs on a numeric keypad while driving. whereas calling someone is faster and doesn't divert any attention, and doesn't cost anything"Feb 07 07:56
DaemonFChmmmm, let me think...Feb 07 07:56
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Would I go to hell for replacing someone's bootsplash with goatse?Feb 07 07:59
DaemonFC:)Feb 07 07:59
DaemonFCAMD has a blog where they discuss FGLRX and leave comments open?Feb 07 08:04
DaemonFCthey're braveFeb 07 08:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NFC Becomes #FreeSoftware http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Inside-Contactless-Open-NFC/?kc=rssFeb 07 08:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NFC stack goes open source - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.57 KBFeb 07 08:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Can Compensate for Obama's #NASA Budget Cuts http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/56872Feb 07 08:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bang, Zoom, Is Open Source The Right Way To The Moon? | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 89.82 KBFeb 07 08:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] (MS)NBC Attacks #FreeSoftware with Lies http://techdirt.com/articles/20100204/1810198057.shtmlFeb 07 08:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FreeSoftware Audiocasts http://www.twit.tv/floss107 http://ur1.ca/llj2 http://ur1.ca/lp04Feb 07 08:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NBC Universal Boss Jeff Zucker Lies To Congress About Boxee | Techdirt .::. Size~: 178.41 KBFeb 07 08:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 24.56 KBFeb 07 08:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Outlaws 134 - The Greppy Awards  | Linux Outlaws .::. Size~: 21.17 KBFeb 07 08:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 451 CAOS Theory » CAOS Theory Podcast 2010.02.05 .::. Size~: 44.5 KBFeb 07 08:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun's #Openoffice .org Now Labelled "Oracle" http://ur1.ca/lp05 http://ur1.ca/lp06Feb 07 08:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: End of an era .::. Size~: 33.75 KBFeb 07 08:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird 3.1 Already Out in Alpha Form, Mozilla #Weave 1.0 Reviewed http://ur1.ca/lp08 http://ur1.ca/lp09Feb 07 08:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [H]ard|OCP - Mozilla Releases Thunderbird &lsquo;Lanikai&rsquo; 3.1 Alpha .::. Size~: 13.27 KBFeb 07 08:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mozilla Weave 1.0: take your tabs and bookmarks everywhere .::. Size~: 35.43 KBFeb 07 08:14
*amarsh04 would like Oracle to put in some OpenOffice.org newspaper ads to counter http://office2007.com.au adsFeb 07 08:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #MariaDB, #Oracle Makes Tools for #Eclipse http://ur1.ca/lp0b http://ur1.ca/lp0cFeb 07 08:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MariaDB 5.1.42 released! | Colin Charles Agenda .::. Size~: 45.33 KBFeb 07 08:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dr. Dobb's | Oracle Enterprise Pack for Eclipse 11g Available | February 5, 2010 .::. Size~: 76.15 KBFeb 07 08:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of Free/Libre #CMS Software Melody http://www.packtpub.com/article/melody-the-other-movable-typeFeb 07 08:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Melody: The Other Movable Type .::. Size~: 43.99 KBFeb 07 08:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eben Moglen Speaks About #FogComputing http://www.isoc-ny.org/?p=1338Feb 07 08:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ISOC-NY Event: Eben Moglen Freedom in the Cloud  2/5/2010 «  isoc-ny.org .::. Size~: 32.22 KBFeb 07 08:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware and Collaboration in Government and #IETF http://ur1.ca/lp0k http://ur1.ca/lp0lFeb 07 08:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source Policies in San Francisco and California Take Different Paths .::. Size~: 62.23 KBFeb 07 08:18
amarsh04105 minutes to Endeavour launch, weather and technical conditions permittingFeb 07 08:19
amarsh0485 minutes evenFeb 07 08:19
cubezzza trip down memory lane and the importance of freenets:Feb 07 08:25
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/cbc-1994-freenet.asfFeb 07 08:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ISPs a Threat to the #Freedom of the Internet http://ur1.ca/lp0w http://ur1.ca/kv14Feb 07 08:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple 's JunkPad Gets Huge Opposition, Might Stay Out of Europe http://ur1.ca/lp1d http://ur1.ca/lp1eFeb 07 08:45
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ziggyfishschestowitz, heyFeb 07 09:08
MurlocHey ziggyfishFeb 07 09:11
DaemonFCthis is patheticFeb 07 09:13
ziggyfishlolFeb 07 09:13
DaemonFCFGLRX has me crying out for my old Geforce 9500 GTFeb 07 09:13
DaemonFCI'm about to go dig it out of its grave (my closet) and slap it in this system so Compiz will moveFeb 07 09:14
ziggyfishDaemonFC, does it have something to do with the XServer 1.7 and KMSFeb 07 09:14
DaemonFCno, not reallyFeb 07 09:15
stavrosLinuxDeamonFC: ATI card?Feb 07 09:15
DaemonFCstavrosLinux, yesFeb 07 09:15
stavrosLinuxDeamonFC, which?Feb 07 09:15
DaemonFCRadeonHD 4670Feb 07 09:15
DaemonFCin Windows, it clobbers the Geforce 9800GTFeb 07 09:16
DaemonFCin Linux, the Geforce 9500GT is 25% faster than itFeb 07 09:16
stavrosLinuxDeamonFC no luck with the radeon drivers?Feb 07 09:16
stavrosLinuxopen driversFeb 07 09:16
DaemonFCif you want like barely any OpenGL supportFeb 07 09:16
DaemonFCcards are going obsolete faster than Mesa is being developedFeb 07 09:17
stavrosLinuxDaemonFC did u try the open radeon drivers?Feb 07 09:18
DaemonFCyes, latest out of gitFeb 07 09:18
DaemonFC3d acceleration is crude and barely good enough for ExtremeTux RacerFeb 07 09:19
schestowitzziggyfish: heyFeb 07 09:19
DaemonFCI don't know why every git commit has to be marked "r100" or "r200"Feb 07 09:20
DaemonFCthey could at least make it look like they're working on something that isn't old XP-era crapFeb 07 09:20
ziggyfishschestowitz, I posted a comment for http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/06/mundie-obama-davos-lobbyist/ todayFeb 07 09:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Wants More Licensing Instead of Windows Bans | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.13 KBFeb 07 09:21
DaemonFCthis Catalyst 10.1 got me good and pissedFeb 07 09:21
DaemonFCfix 5 bugs, promise unspecified awesomeness coming at a later dateFeb 07 09:22
DaemonFC(probably for Windows)Feb 07 09:22
ziggyfishschestowitz, but still haven't seen it in the comments sectionFeb 07 09:23
stavrosLinuxDeamonFC forget the catalyst drivers in linuxFeb 07 09:23
schestowitzziggyfish: i see....Feb 07 09:23
schestowitzit's in the queueFeb 07 09:23
DaemonFCCatalyst barely works, open source driver doesn't work, and I loathe NvidiaFeb 07 09:23
DaemonFChmmmFeb 07 09:23
ziggyfishDaemonFC, I am having the same problem with my RadeonHD 4850, what distro?Feb 07 09:24
DaemonFCdoesn't matter, Catalyst sucks just as bad on all of themFeb 07 09:25
DaemonFCUbuntu doesn't even keep up with the monthly driversFeb 07 09:25
DaemonFCyou just get stuck with whatever was current when the release went outFeb 07 09:26
DaemonFCthat would be OK with Nvidia, but FGLRX is so terrible that if 5 bugs get fixed, I want the new driver :)Feb 07 09:26
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DaemonFCoh hellFeb 07 09:27
DaemonFCI don't know what particular brand of acid that Phoronix takes hits of before declaring a Radeon that's limping along with FGLRX a 9 out of 10, but I want a pallet of itFeb 07 09:28
schestowitzziggyfish: done :-)Feb 07 09:29
ziggyfishthanksFeb 07 09:29
ziggyfishschestowitz, did you agree with my comments?Feb 07 09:29
DaemonFCmaybe it puts them in an altered sense of time whereas it looks like the card is rendering things twice as fastFeb 07 09:30
DaemonFCI always wondered why Ubuntu defaults to the resize effect they do in Compiz, it's because it avoids having to repaint the window as you resize itFeb 07 09:31
DaemonFCwhich is painful with FGLRXFeb 07 09:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Iraq inquiry. Alastair Campbell appears to almost break down while being interviewed about Iraq on the Andrew Marr show.Feb 07 09:32
amarsh04sts-130 launch called off due to bad weatherFeb 07 09:35
amarsh04next attempt in 24 hoursFeb 07 09:35
DaemonFCstavrosLinux, I'm going to make a t-shirt when the FOSS driver is outFeb 07 09:36
DaemonFCand workingFeb 07 09:36
DaemonFC"I survived FGLRX"Feb 07 09:36
stavrosLinuxDeanonFC :-DFeb 07 09:36
DaemonFCapparently Mesa 8.0 will be OpenGL 3 compatibleFeb 07 09:37
DaemonFCas I understand it, Mesa is where the hold up isFeb 07 09:37
schestowitzziggyfish: I replied in the commentsFeb 07 09:37
schestowitzIt just sometimes detects stuff incorrectly and leaves it for me t moderate the following dayFeb 07 09:37
DaemonFCI just really want to see it mirror OpenGL support for everything that's in DirectX 9.0cFeb 07 09:38
DaemonFCthat's the point where I'll be using it daily, cause that means Wine gamingFeb 07 09:38
DaemonFCstavrosLinux, The versions I pulled out of git yesterday correctly support NexuizFeb 07 09:39
DaemonFCthey fixed the lighting problems :DFeb 07 09:39
DaemonFCthis DirectX 11 work they're doing seems to be where the FGLRX development slowdown came fromFeb 07 09:41
DaemonFClike they stopped work on everything to pull developers for Windows 7 supportFeb 07 09:41
DaemonFCI've never seen them take this long to support a new version of Fedora, usually it's 1 month topsFeb 07 09:42
stavrosLinuxDaemonFC talking about the catalyst again; who cares 8-)Feb 07 09:43
stavrosLinuxDaemonFC only care about the open radeonFeb 07 09:44
DaemonFCmeh, I'd like to see AMD just stop everything but bug fixing and making sure it still worksFeb 07 09:44
DaemonFCand send the rest of their devs to work on the open source stuffFeb 07 09:44
DaemonFConce the open source driver is out there, they're never going to have to worry about being the only ones that can fix an issue againFeb 07 09:45
DaemonFCso their gain Feb 07 09:45
stavrosLinuxDaemonFc did u check the level of support of your card ;Feb 07 09:45
stavrosLinuxcurrently?Feb 07 09:46
DaemonFCyeah, the driver works, it's Mesa that's the problemFeb 07 09:46
DaemonFCanything 2d-related, the open source driver beats FGLRX hands downFeb 07 09:46
DaemonFCgaming is diceyFeb 07 09:48
stavrosLinuxDaemonFc; compiz, google earth?Feb 07 09:48
DaemonFCWorld of Goo worked, Nexuiz worked, Prey worked, Extreme Tux Racer worked, Sauerbraten has texture corruption, Compiz partially (mostly) works except for fade effectsFeb 07 09:49
DaemonFCDoom 3 does workFeb 07 09:49
DaemonFCI don't doubt that it will reach some state where I can live with it soonFeb 07 09:49
DaemonFCprobably around April or May is where I'd guessFeb 07 09:50
DaemonFCI'll probably land on Ubuntu 10.04 and go with xorg-edgers to keep me up to date with the git versions of the driver, x.org, and mesaFeb 07 09:51
stavrosLinuxDaemonFc hang in there ;-)Feb 07 09:51
DaemonFCIt's at the point where enough stuff works to frustrate you that the rest is missing :)Feb 07 09:51
DaemonFCI don't like black boxes, binary drivers are an eyesoreFeb 07 09:52
DaemonFCit's a twofer that FGLRX is a binary *and* that it works so poorlyFeb 07 09:54
DaemonFChmmm, Tea Party convention....Yes.....those average everyday folks that can go to a $550 a plate dinner can finally talk about how Obama's Nazi Tax Hikes(R) are destroying their livelihoods Feb 07 10:03
DaemonFC:)Feb 07 10:03
DaemonFCI wonder if it's Black Tie or Blue Coveralls Feb 07 10:04
DaemonFC:DFeb 07 10:04
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gjFJjBGIDP2J1zBcxOA3cuYTkAuwFeb 07 10:06
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DaemonFCFree at last!!!Feb 07 10:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Misdirected Response from the Government to the Company “Not Engineered for #Security ” http://ur1.ca/lpfrFeb 07 10:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Another Misdirected Response from the Government to the Company “Not Engineered for Security” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.58 KBFeb 07 10:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/Feb 07 10:15
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Most of the bandwidth used on the internet is most likely infected Windows machines spreading worms and spewing spamFeb 07 10:18
DaemonFCI wouldn't be surprised if it overtook BittorrentFeb 07 10:18
DaemonFCwhich is what ISPs always bitch aboutFeb 07 10:18
DaemonFCISP's lock your modem until you use their software to activate it, which bugs you to install some antivirus software they've bundledFeb 07 10:19
DaemonFCit's obvious that they're annoyed that their network is congested and so they're trying to cram their antivirus down your throatFeb 07 10:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: 3000 ppl is in the 13th day of Protest Dharna at Balithuta 4 preventing Posco's land takeover http://bit.ly/am2eYyFeb 07 10:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Michael Arrington a Hypocrite: Bribed by #Microsoft Yet Fires Bribed Bloggers http://ur1.ca/lphd #doublespeak #edelman #liesFeb 07 10:53
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_goblinMorning all...Feb 07 10:53
_goblinwhat a night....Feb 07 10:54
_goblindidn't finish work until 4am...had to be up at 8.....Feb 07 10:54
_goblinand its my day off.....thats dedication!Feb 07 10:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got two days off work now....hopefully get some work done on Openbytes..Feb 07 10:57
DaemonFC_goblin, ClerksFeb 07 10:58
DaemonFC:)Feb 07 10:58
_goblinClerks?Feb 07 10:58
DaemonFCyes, ClerksFeb 07 10:58
_goblinthe film?Feb 07 10:58
DaemonFCas in "I'm not even supposed to be here today"Feb 07 10:58
DaemonFCexactlyFeb 07 10:58
_goblinlol...Feb 07 10:58
_goblinI am supposed to be here.....it was at work (there) that I wasnt at 4am!Feb 07 10:58
_goblinsupposed to finish at 000amFeb 07 10:59
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DaemonFCsomething bad always happened to me when I came in on my day off anywhere I've workedFeb 07 10:59
DaemonFCso I was on the floor pissing myself watching that movieFeb 07 10:59
_goblinyeah....I could relate to that film....Feb 07 10:59
DaemonFCesp. the corpse, his girlfriend, and the bathroomFeb 07 11:00
_goblinalthough at least I don't have "customers" in the traditional sense.Feb 07 11:00
DaemonFC$500 fine for selling cigarettes to an 8 year old while he was reading the paperFeb 07 11:00
DaemonFC:DFeb 07 11:00
_goblinthat was such a great film....Feb 07 11:00
_goblinand worked so well in B&WFeb 07 11:01
_goblinI wonder how many people missed out and never watched it because it was in B&W?Feb 07 11:01
DaemonFCI know, I saw it and wondered if there was something wrong with the xvid...errrr I mean DVDFeb 07 11:01
DaemonFC;)Feb 07 11:01
_goblinI bought it on import after a recommendation/hard sell by a DVD shop many many years ago......Feb 07 11:02
_goblinthat was in the days of DVD players costing £350Feb 07 11:02
DaemonFCI'm going to miss DVDFeb 07 11:02
DaemonFCnot cause I love the format, I just don't want the Cordon Blue of DRM that's replacing itFeb 07 11:03
_goblindo you think it will be replaced so quick or will we have it for many more years like VHS?Feb 07 11:03
DaemonFCwell, it's dropping steadilyFeb 07 11:03
DaemonFCsales were down 18% last year, but a lot of that didn't benefit blu rayFeb 07 11:04
DaemonFCit was just people not buying moviesFeb 07 11:04
_goblinI haven't really been paying attention.....get no time for shopping....if I get a film (and thats rare) its usually ex-rental from Blockbuster as Im too cheap to buy the film when it comes out at full price.Feb 07 11:04
DaemonFCI'd say DVD probably has another 3-5 years to live as the dominant formatFeb 07 11:04
_goblinexcept in the case of Wrestling......I get all the events on DVD when they are released (Ive spent a fortune)Feb 07 11:05
DaemonFCthere's not a huge overwhelming demand for blu ray, DVD doesn't have most of the shortcomings that made VHS a pushoverFeb 07 11:05
DaemonFCpeople hear "HD" and go apeshitFeb 07 11:05
DaemonFCthat's the people buying blu rayFeb 07 11:06
DaemonFCif you don't care if it's in HD or not, the Blu Ray players will play and upconvert all your DVDsFeb 07 11:06
DaemonFCso it's not like you're wasting money by continuing to buy DVDFeb 07 11:06
_goblinI think I agree with you....HD doesnt' really excite me.Feb 07 11:07
DaemonFCDVDs don't degrade like VHS, VHS were really low res so doubling that really made DVD picture look awesomeFeb 07 11:07
DaemonFCDVD players don't usually eat a DVDFeb 07 11:07
DaemonFC:)Feb 07 11:07
_goblinunless its an Xbox360Feb 07 11:08
_goblinthey are partial to the odd disk now and then.Feb 07 11:08
DaemonFCyeah, misaligned lens leads to disc scratching in some 360sFeb 07 11:08
DaemonFCone of them attacked one of my games, I bitched to MS and they sent me a copy of Perfect Dark Zero :(Feb 07 11:08
DaemonFCbastardsFeb 07 11:08
DaemonFC:PFeb 07 11:08
_goblinits amazing, when I first bought a DVD player £350..........now you can get one for £24.00 Feb 07 11:09
DaemonFCyeah, with more features and progressive scan!Feb 07 11:09
DaemonFC:DFeb 07 11:09
_goblinand divx compatFeb 07 11:09
_goblinwhy hasn't the PC seen that type of reduction in price?????Feb 07 11:09
DaemonFC_goblin, $38 gets you upscaling, SD slot, MP3/WMA/DIVX supportFeb 07 11:10
DaemonFCthat's pretty goodFeb 07 11:10
DaemonFClack of competitionFeb 07 11:10
DaemonFCby that I don't mean OEMs, I mean their supply chainFeb 07 11:10
DaemonFCMicrosoft > Intel/AMD > Nvidia/ATIFeb 07 11:11
_goblinIm not sure if a £24 drive from Tesco's upscales or has an SD slot...but then neither did the £350 one many years before.Feb 07 11:11
DaemonFCmainlyFeb 07 11:11
DaemonFCyou've got three layers of the supply chain that is either monopoly or a duopoly that's fixing the pricesFeb 07 11:11
DaemonFCcross licensing each other patents and trade secrets, fixing the price, locking out competitorsFeb 07 11:12
DaemonFCthat's why PC prices aren't decreasingFeb 07 11:12
_goblinyeah, I was merely thinking/wishing aloud!Feb 07 11:13
DaemonFCyou notice that when Walmart does a $150 PC, it's got Via motherboard, CPU, integrated GPU, and runs LinuxFeb 07 11:13
DaemonFCthat OEM bypassed the problem areas in the chainFeb 07 11:13
DaemonFCnotice that China doesn't want to import x86 CPUs and so they built the MIPS clone Loongson or whatever you call itFeb 07 11:14
_goblinI laughed when I heard the fake/counterfiet  Dell machines from India actually had better performance than the real thing.Feb 07 11:14
DaemonFCthere's basically one thing that has to die to make Linux viable on non-x86 for a lot of users, FlashFeb 07 11:15
DaemonFC_goblin, doesn't surprise me, Dell is just a nameFeb 07 11:15
DaemonFClarger profit marginFeb 07 11:15
DaemonFCmost unbranded systems give you better price / feature ratio than Dell/HP etcFeb 07 11:16
DaemonFCthose Ubuntu systems Dell sells are pitifulFeb 07 11:16
DaemonFCyou're actually doing better to buy a Dell system with Windows for the same price and format over itFeb 07 11:17
DaemonFCcause you not only don't save any money buying the Ubuntu system, you're getting less memory and a slower processor too :)Feb 07 11:17
DaemonFCa lot of the cheaper systems that come with Linux aren't really a deal, Linux is just there because it's not costing them money and they can pocket the differenceFeb 07 11:19
DaemonFCto make it worse, they usually ship it with some horrible Linux distro you'd never install yourselfFeb 07 11:20
DaemonFCShuttle KPC with Foresight, for exampleFeb 07 11:20
Ender2070lol ForesightFeb 07 11:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Shows Yet Again That It is Allergic to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/lpk2 #dell #fast #fraudFeb 07 11:28
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DaemonFChehFeb 07 11:33
DaemonFCHalo is now Platinum under WineFeb 07 11:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Internet Explorer flaw (all versions) makes local files public, can't be fixed http://www.taranfx.com/ie-flaw-public-filesFeb 07 11:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IE Flaw Makes local Files Public .::. Size~: 57.13 KBFeb 07 11:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Upgrading my main laptop to Ubuntu Lucid. Keeping a Karmic USB key kicking around just in case :)Feb 07 11:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #iPad — like #Zune — might not reach the European Union (EU), probably due to lukewarm reception and lack of appeal http://ur1.ca/lpmlFeb 07 11:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: iPad is Like Zune | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 83.94 KBFeb 07 11:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Nice HTML5 sketch app.. no Flash in sight! http://bit.ly/8fqFYNFeb 07 11:59
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DaemonFChttp://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2010/02/05/microsoft-to-pull-plug-on-original-xbox-live-users/Feb 07 12:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Microsoft To Pull Plug On Original Xbox Live Users ~ The Blade by Ron Schenone, MVP .::. Size~: 67.61 KBFeb 07 12:07
DaemonFCincludes XBOX games playable on the 360Feb 07 12:07
DaemonFCtime to turn your XBOX into a Xebian PC?Feb 07 12:07
DaemonFC"OS Install Date: Dec 31 1969"Feb 07 12:17
DaemonFCaccording to SteamFeb 07 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A complete list of news articles about #Moonlight 3.0 preview shows that its biggest fans are #Microsoft fans http://ur1.ca/lpo6Feb 07 12:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Microsoft Apologists and Boosters Really, Really Like Novell! | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.87 KBFeb 07 12:20
DaemonFCthere hasn't been a release of Moonlight that's worked right yetFeb 07 12:25
DaemonFCfrom January 10-February 7 IE has lost 0.4%Feb 07 12:31
DaemonFCit's now at 54.86%Feb 07 12:31
schestowitzHow do you know?Feb 07 12:44
DaemonFCstatcounterFeb 07 12:44
DaemonFC"Ryan Farmer Windows has to be the only OS where forgetting where you placed 26 letters and numbers is actually worse than losing the installation disc. 2 seconds ago"Feb 07 12:44
DaemonFCheheFeb 07 12:45
schestowitzOK, bblFeb 07 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Two futures of the internet: next cold war or up in the clouds | Technology | The Observer http://tinyurl.com/y8oe3ovFeb 07 12:55
DaemonFChttp://www.winehq.org/wwn/208Feb 07 13:00
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DaemonFC"He pointed out that Microsoft Office now "just works. You can use it all day long and you won't see the difference." Then he added that wasn't 100% true because, "The Paperclip still doesn't work."Feb 07 13:01
DaemonFColdie, but a good quip nonetheless :)Feb 07 13:01
DaemonFChttp://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=16041Feb 07 13:09
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DaemonFCWine is getting closer to bringing everyone's favorite program to LinuxFeb 07 13:10
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DaemonFChttp://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/xubuntu-9-10.htmlFeb 07 13:35
DaemonFCthis guy hates Xubuntu as much as I doFeb 07 13:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] AdBlock for Chrome: http://is.gd/7So9t Works in Chromium for Linux too. WIN.Feb 07 13:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not quite inbox zero, but zero *unread*. 149 lingering since, er ... 2004.Feb 07 14:08
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] How anonymous is "anonymous" really?? http://is.gd/7Sun7Feb 07 14:37
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Apple says only THEY can advertise based on YOUR location http://is.gd/7SvDnFeb 07 14:42
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schestowitz[13:10] <DaemonFC> Wine is getting closer to bringing everyone's favorite program to LinuxFeb 07 15:10
schestowitzConficker \0/Feb 07 15:11
schestowitz> Of the commercial companies mentioned in the first episode, which ofFeb 07 15:20
schestowitz> them is useing Open Source. Facebook for one. Check it out and post onFeb 07 15:20
schestowitz> it.Feb 07 15:20
schestowitzHow about Google? I'm thinking how to make it known, but it's already occasionally covered. Facebook recently enhanced the deal with Microsoft in some way (days ago)Feb 07 15:20
schestowitz> Of the commercial companies mentioned in the first episode, which ofFeb 07 15:21
schestowitz> them is useing Open Source. Facebook for one. Check it out and post onFeb 07 15:21
schestowitz> it.Feb 07 15:21
schestowitzHow about Google? I'm thinking how to make it known, but it's already occasionally covered. Facebook recently enhanced the deal with Microsoft in some way (days ago)Feb 07 15:21
schestowitz> Also see attached report on ' malicious' user generated content.Feb 07 15:21
schestowitz> What's it cost to the economy and what's the root cause. Answer: theFeb 07 15:21
schestowitz> vast army of compromised Windows desktops, being used in botnets ...Feb 07 15:21
schestowitz> Feb 07 15:21
schestowitz> http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/0126226/95-of-User-Generated-Content-Is-BogusFeb 07 15:21
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schestowitzMicrosoft has successfully waged a PR war to sell the "all platforms are not secure" lie.Feb 07 15:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: GNU Global is nice. emacs integration stuff here : http://is.gd/7Sw64Feb 07 15:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/current.php?artType=view&artMonth=January&artYear=2010&EntryNo=10558Feb 07 15:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @anivar RT @aashiks: GNU Global is nice. emacs integration stuff here : http://is.gd/7Sw64Feb 07 15:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @nhklein: "The Corporate Takeover of U.S. Democracy" - http://tinyurl.com/yajhrv8 <- Money buys votes, officially and legallyFeb 07 15:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/22/oreilly-drops-ebook.htmlFeb 07 15:30
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RoeyhiFeb 07 15:31
Roeyare novell and microsoft still separate entities?/sFeb 07 15:32
schestowitzHiFeb 07 15:32
schestowitzYesFeb 07 15:32
schestowitzNot all partsFeb 07 15:32
schestowitzNot he Cambridge lab for exampleFeb 07 15:32
schestowitz /he/the/Feb 07 15:32
RoeyahFeb 07 15:33
RoeyNovell is boasting of 19 projects that they're considering collaborating with MS onFeb 07 15:33
schestowitzNovell underestimated how unpopular the deal would beFeb 07 15:34
schestowitzGroupWise still competes vs MSFTFeb 07 15:34
schestowitz"[The partnership with Microsoft is] going very well insofar as we originally agreed to co-operate on three distinct projects and now we’re working on nine projects and there’s a good list of 19 other projects that we plan to co-operate on."-Hovsepian, Novell CEOFeb 07 15:34
schestowitzBut there are more nowFeb 07 15:35
schestowitzStuff that promotes Microsoft in waysFeb 07 15:35
schestowitzSometimes it's good for Novelll too, but not for FOSSFeb 07 15:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm encouraged to find that Groklaw too has begun complaining about the patent games Gates plays with his "foundation"Feb 07 15:40
schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntu.com/news/lotus-symphony-dedicated-supportFeb 07 15:42
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schestowitzhttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_for_HaitiFeb 07 15:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60S05820100129?type=technologyNewsFeb 07 15:53
schestowitzhttp://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1341439/000119312510015241/d8k.htmFeb 07 15:54
schestowitzhttp://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/48245-eu-may-limit-us-anti-terrorism-finance-trackingFeb 07 16:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: EU may limit US 'anti-terrorism' finance tracking | TG Daily .::. Size~: 43.92 KBFeb 07 16:00
schestowitzGroklaw does not complain about Apple products, evrerFeb 07 16:01
schestowitzI find that rather supine behaviour... and she's defending them from Psychostar[sic] tooFeb 07 16:01
schestowitz'“It is a humorous world in how Microsoft is much more open than Apple,” Brandon Watson, the director of product management in the developer platform at Microsoft'Feb 07 16:02
schestowitz"[PJ: It's also humorous to see Microsoft echoing the thoughts of Psystar trolls on Groklaw.] "Feb 07 16:02
schestowitzActually, Apple *IS* is very closedFeb 07 16:02
schestowitzThe FSF would agreeFeb 07 16:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] In case you ever wondered: the complete matrix of all Wikimedia wikis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrixFeb 07 16:03
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schestowitz"If you looked at the number of traditional commercial print companies in 2001 before 9/11, not including companies printing phone books, newspapers or magazines, there were 50,000 printing companies. Then after 9/11, that whittled down to about 35,000 commercial printing companies by 2003. I am hearing that when this recession corrects itself, we will go down to about 20,000 companies."Feb 07 16:04
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/doc/?p=1070Feb 07 16:04
schestowitzI can't believe the naivety hereFeb 07 16:04
schestowitzIt's looking goof for OOOo http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Study-21-of-German-PCs-run-OpenOffice-919501.html http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2358571,00.aspFeb 07 16:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Study: > 21% of German PCs run OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.29 KBFeb 07 16:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sun-Oracle Merger Looks Bright for OpenOffice, MySQL - Reviews by PC Magazine .::. Size~: 81.46 KBFeb 07 16:11
schestowitz I love O[racle]OOO, it's OOOO so deliciousFeb 07 16:12
schestowitzBut lots of fat :-|Feb 07 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's why buying the player in the other market segment makes (business) sense. Feb 07 16:16
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: of course it still boggles the mind that this kind of conglomeration is legalFeb 07 16:17
FurnaceBoybut, for US corps, money shalt be the whole of the lawFeb 07 16:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia blog: How smart people fail to share. http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2010/02/07/how-smart-people-fail-to-share/Feb 07 16:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: David Gerard  » Blog Archive   » How smart people fail to share. .::. Size~: 11.24 KBFeb 07 16:18
schestowitzhttp://itnews.com.au/News/166251,sa-backs-down-on-unpopular-censorship-law.aspxFeb 07 16:20
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yesFeb 07 16:21
schestowitzhttp://www.inthesetimes.com/article/5502/the_corporate_takeover_of_u.s._democracy/Feb 07 16:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Corporate Takeover of U.S. Democracy -- In These Times .::. Size~: 48.7 KBFeb 07 16:21
schestowitzhttp://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/corporation-says-it-will-run-for-congress/Feb 07 16:21
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schestowitz\o/ http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/technology/New-approach-sought-with-open-source-desktopsFeb 07 16:25
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schestowitzhttp://pblog.bna.com/techlaw/2010/02/court-finds-constitutional-significance-in-defendants-failure-to-passwordprotect-home-wireless-netwo.htmlFeb 07 16:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TechLaw: Court Finds Constitutional Significance in Defendant's Failure to Password-Protect Home Wireless Network  .::. Size~: 38.61 KBFeb 07 16:26
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Feb 07 16:34
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=2Feb 07 16:34
schestowitz"[PJ: I think if you read through the exhibits we are publishing from the Comes v. Microsoft antitrust litigation, you will see that it was hardly accidental.] -  Dick Brass, NY Times Op-Ed"Feb 07 16:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 34.59 KBFeb 07 16:34
schestowitzRe: "highly repentant, largely accidental monopolist."Feb 07 16:34
schestowitz:-)Feb 07 16:34
schestowitz"We just so goooooooooood! It's accidental"Feb 07 16:34
schestowitz"Poor us... we became a monopolist"Feb 07 16:34
MarcusKoze"help us find the cure" ;))Feb 07 16:35
MarcusKozehi peopleFeb 07 16:35
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schestowitzMarcusKoze: no cure for HubrisFeb 07 16:39
schestowitzLet's bring out the Nemesis (GNU) :-)Feb 07 16:39
MarcusKozemeh, may God have mercy on their souls, i wouldn't have mercy on their eyesFeb 07 16:40
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/57070Feb 07 16:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Cisco backdoor still open | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 110.75 KBFeb 07 16:41
schestowitzIf it makes you feel any better, MarcusKoze, they were born to monopoliseFeb 07 16:41
MarcusKozenope, didnt help at all Feb 07 16:42
schestowitzLike the kid who grew up in a rich family groomed to pillage and plunder society... nothing ACCIDENTAL about itFeb 07 16:42
schestowitzI love how they tail fairy tailsFeb 07 16:42
schestowitzThe white horse with a knight holding a PC...Feb 07 16:42
MarcusKoze=))Feb 07 16:42
schestowitzThe kid who grew up poor, found computing, etc.Feb 07 16:42
schestowitzAFAIK, Apple are the same... rich upbringingFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzGoogle tooFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzPage's dad is a professorFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzBrin's toFeb 07 16:43
schestowitz*tooFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzHis mom work/ed for NASA IIRCFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzI wonder if Brin's dad still lecturesFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2005/09/12/roots-of-authority/Feb 07 16:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Roots of Authority .::. Size~: 29.27 KBFeb 07 16:43
schestowitzhttp://www.the-source.com/2010/02/microsoft-exec-calls-for-internet-drivers-license/Feb 07 16:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Exec calls for Internet Drivers License «  The Source.com .::. Size~: 29.08 KBFeb 07 16:47
FurnaceBoyMicrosoft operating systems: unsafe at any speed. DOn't belong on the public internet.Feb 07 16:48
schestowitzhttp://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/February/10-opa-128.htmlFeb 07 16:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Welcome to the United States Department of Justice .::. Size~: 22.8 KBFeb 07 16:49
schestowitzDid the FSF flip-flop on the Google book settlement?Feb 07 16:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: when Microsoft is gone, verdict can be 'accidental death' for all I careFeb 07 16:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: gives a whole new meaning to "accidnetal"Feb 07 16:49
schestowitz[driver's licence]Feb 07 16:49
schestowitzAhFeb 07 16:49
FurnaceBoyoh, we accidentally subverted the lawFeb 07 16:49
schestowitzbeat me to itFeb 07 16:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Two huge bags of clean washing sorted and mostly put away. Assault commenced on other side of bed. Pause for choking on dust.Feb 07 16:52
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/quantum-logic-atomic-clock/Feb 07 16:55
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schestowitzHey, FurnaceBoy. wbFeb 07 16:57
fewahttp://www.gnu.org/graphics/jesus-cartoon.htmlFeb 07 16:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Cartoon - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 6.9 KBFeb 07 16:57
schestowitzZinn diedFeb 07 16:57
schestowitzand http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/5502/the_corporate_takeover_of_u.s._democracy/Feb 07 16:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Corporate Takeover of U.S. Democracy -- In These Times .::. Size~: 48.69 KBFeb 07 16:57
schestowitzOops. I meant " fewa"Feb 07 16:58
fewa"US Democracy"Feb 07 16:58
fewalolFeb 07 16:58
schestowitzI saw that cartoon some days agoFeb 07 16:58
schestowitzIt's not newFeb 07 16:58
fewanot at federal level at least, at least for 100 yearsFeb 07 16:58
schestowitzPJ: "Would those, by any chance, be patented genetically modified seeds? If so, who benefits? The poor?"Feb 07 16:59
schestowitzre Gates Foundary 2 weeks agoFeb 07 16:59
fewaDavid Suzuki has a great talk on that topicFeb 07 16:59
fewaand comes as a scientist who has done research in the fieldFeb 07 16:59
schestowitzCan you find it?Feb 07 16:59
fewaand is well respectedFeb 07 16:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Where RMS and Linus agree: "I generally hate phones - they are irritating and disturb you as you work..." http://ur1.ca/loivFeb 07 17:00
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MurloctrueFeb 07 17:01
fewathis is a short one: http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/food-for-life/356Feb 07 17:04
fewabut there is a whole talkFeb 07 17:04
fewato the technical audienceFeb 07 17:04
fewaand very persuasiveFeb 07 17:04
FurnaceBoyDoJ, EU: "Oh, we accidentally found you guilty."Feb 07 17:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "Paaaaaaaaaaaandering??!??!?!"Feb 07 17:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good morningFeb 07 17:05
*FurnaceBoy has breakfast, largely accidentallyFeb 07 17:05
fewahttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-23177652957550453Feb 07 17:07
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fewathat might be itFeb 07 17:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I was wrong. Palin has the most important qualification for President: Ability to stick to a cynical, irrelevant & false script, as directedFeb 07 17:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "You should see what I have up my sleeve."Feb 07 17:17
schestowitzfewa thanksFeb 07 17:18
schestowitzhe's goneFeb 07 17:18
FurnaceBoygoooooooooooneFeb 07 17:18
FurnaceBoylargely accidentallyFeb 07 17:18
_goblinQuote "I was wrong. Palin has the most important qualification for President: Ability to stick to a cynical, irrelevant & false script, as directed"Feb 07 17:20
_goblinyeah, but she is fit.Feb 07 17:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Dentiquette | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yz9s593Feb 07 17:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 8x8 pixel Jedi. http://www.flickr.com/photos/23090029@N06/sets/72157623182916763/ #iconsFeb 07 17:36
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ^^ the bot has a problem with some valid urlsFeb 07 17:39
schestowitzhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/06/rumored-windows-phone-7-details-surface-ahead-of-mwc-launch-zun/Feb 07 17:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hello Kitty Love Hotel Bondage http://www.kittyhell.com/2007/01/18/hello-kitty-love-hotel-bondage/Feb 07 17:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #uk phone books delivered per year, visualised: http://flickr.com/photos/stevefaeembra/4191305384 http://www.saynotophonebooks.org/ #wasteFeb 07 17:49
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schestowitzWhat's w/ this choice of photo? http://www.perezstart.com/microsoft/xbox360-microsoft/microsoft-cuts-off-original-xbox-titles-from-xbox-live-on-apr-15th/9548/Feb 07 17:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Cuts Off Original Xbox Titles From Xbox LIVE on Apr. 15th | PerezStart .::. Size~: 57.82 KBFeb 07 17:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Live in #UK? (or expatriate who'd sign the petition?) http://www.saynotophonebooks.org/ http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/NoPhonebooks #wasteFeb 07 17:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If you're going to do good science, release the computer code too | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/ycnnzgcFeb 07 17:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.intomobile.com/2010/02/03/symbians-countdown-was-to-announce-that-the-entire-os-is-now-open-source-and-free-for-all.htmlFeb 07 18:33
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schestowitzThe Fauxopen sourcers for Mono...........Feb 07 18:39
schestowitzRT @directhex: And that was #fosdem! Big thanks to the organizers - and extra Feb 07 18:39
schestowitzspecial thanks to our Mono room cameraman @andriusbentkusFeb 07 18:39
schestowitzGuess who from?Feb 07 18:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "float like a bee, sting like a butterfly" - The #Microsoft motto for innovation lolFeb 07 18:42
schestowitzBrewing anti-Obama site from the opposers to banksters...... http://barackobama666com.blogspot.com/2010/02/barack-obama-listen-to-what-people-want.htmlFeb 07 18:44
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schestowitzMatt Asay almost went working for Microsoft some years ago, but a lot of people do know this.Feb 07 18:46
MurlocRoyFeb 07 18:53
MurlocIm thinking of adding Grid computer service to the program that would pc when idle to power up other projects :pFeb 07 18:55
Murlocuse pc*Feb 07 18:56
schestowitzBill  & Microsoft have just used the UN to colonise AfricaFeb 07 18:57
schestowitzBill has connections there.Feb 07 18:57
schestowitzhttp://www.africanews.com/site/ECA_seal_ICT_deal_with_Microsoft/list_messages/29758Feb 07 18:58
schestowitzMore UN corruptionFeb 07 18:58
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schestowitzWOwFeb 07 19:06
schestowitzThat Gates stuff is scaryFeb 07 19:06
schestowitzhe's using the UN now to make seeds monopolyFeb 07 19:07
schestowitzHe's ripping African off... it's not just Microsoft anymore.Feb 07 19:07
schestowitzI'll hopefully do a post about it tomorrowFeb 07 19:07
schestowitzI have about 10 references Feb 07 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2010-01-27-Tablet27_CV_N.htmFeb 07 19:07
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schestowitzI can't believe Groklaw plays apologist for AppleFeb 07 19:08
schestowitzhttp://googlewatch.eweek.com/content/google_vs_apple/apple_ceo_steve_jobs_is_no_joker_when_it_comes_to_google.htmlFeb 07 19:10
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schestowitzSays the hypocriteFeb 07 19:10
schestowitzhttp://www.internetnews.com/webcontent/article.php/3860906/Yahoo+Revenue+Dips+in+Q4+But+Shows+Signs+of+Life.htmFeb 07 19:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Yahoo Revenue Dips in Q4, But Shows Signs of Life - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 147.31 KBFeb 07 19:16
schestowitzdeceiving headline from Matt Hartley: http://www.cooltechzone.com/2010/02/02/watchout-google-facebooks-larger-than-yahoo-and-microsoft/Feb 07 19:17
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schestowitzComment:Feb 07 19:21
schestowitzhttp://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/microsofts-bill-gates-defends-google-then-pans-it/Feb 07 19:21
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schestowitz"Gates: "Monopolist? Standard Oil was a monopoly? Wuuut?" "Feb 07 19:21
schestowitz" At least Bill is not hypocritical ... "Feb 07 19:21
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schestowitzGeez! This one is both unattractive and silly http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/microsoft_researchs_self-powered_tv_remote_no_batteries_needed.htmlFeb 07 19:38
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schestowitzWhat next? Calculators that use solar power? Oh, wait..Feb 07 19:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #Pedobear: 2010 #Vancouver #Olympics mascot? http://bit.ly/bTOZAo #yyj #canadaFeb 07 19:44
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FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/jeremyscahill/status/8773763793Feb 07 19:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Inbox down to 99 emails, 0 unread. Holy crap!Feb 07 19:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @07shari22 #itkillsme that 3 american hikers in Evin Prison now // cuz only imprisoned americans matter; Guantanamo much?Feb 07 19:55
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/technology/companies/04cisco.htmlFeb 07 19:57
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schestowitzhttp://www.tampabay.com/news/business/energy/exxon-mobils-2009-profit-of-1942-billion-off-56-percent-from-2008/1069924Feb 07 19:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Exxon Mobil's 2009 profit of $19.42 billion off 56 percent from 2008 - St. Petersburg Times .::. Size~: 56.46 KBFeb 07 19:57
schestowitzHoly c*Feb 07 19:57
schestowitzhttp://www.techjackal.net/gaming/2010/01/28/nintendo-profit-drops-from-christmas-sales/Feb 07 19:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Nintendo Profit Drops from Christmas sales » Tech Jackal .::. Size~: 25.11 KBFeb 07 19:58
schestowitzOff photo selection..Feb 07 19:58
schestowitzNintendo uses cleavage to make sales?Feb 07 19:59
FurnaceBoyWHO KNEW!Feb 07 20:00
schestowitzWith those braids...Feb 07 20:01
schestowitzLike it's a young galFeb 07 20:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] someone needs to create a mic technology that clips out cliches in interviews like "at the end of the day"Feb 07 20:01
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schestowitzNintendo guns for pervy ol' menFeb 07 20:01
schestowitzhttp://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/msft_dj-obama-meeting-with-microsoft-s-ballmer-amex-s-chenault-8-other-execs-754136.htmlFeb 07 20:04
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schestowitzObama to receive more instructions :-)Feb 07 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Symbolman RT @mlomb: Every 5 seconds a computer gets infected with a virus. #coolfacts // correction: a #Microsoft #WINDOWS computerFeb 07 20:04
schestowitzINNOVA~1 and patentsFeb 07 20:04
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: not true numbersFeb 07 20:05
schestowitzWith about 400 million zombie PCs it's more like 5 per second and moreFeb 07 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @techweenie recent plastic surgery has changed Palin's face // It's the Cabbage Patch look: http://bit.ly/ddcGq1 ; all downhill from hereFeb 07 20:09
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I knowFeb 07 20:09
schestowitzhttp://www.slashgear.com/rumor-claims-nintendo-turned-down-project-natal-tech-2871844/Feb 07 20:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rumor claims Nintendo turned down Project Natal tech - SlashGear .::. Size~: 48.5 KBFeb 07 20:20
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: don't propagate propaganda :-)Feb 07 20:20
schestowitzI am sometimes tempted to cite articles that say something about Net Apps #sFeb 07 20:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: let's find the true figure thenFeb 07 20:21
schestowitzSame with those that quote GartnerFeb 07 20:21
schestowitzOr those which say "WOW! Microsoft's profit just went up 60%"Feb 07 20:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but that rate of every 5 seconds seemed wrong, for sureFeb 07 20:21
schestowitzIt's actually all downFeb 07 20:21
schestowitzMillions of Windows PCs get infected every dayFeb 07 20:21
schestowitzThat's many per secondFeb 07 20:22
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 07 20:22
FurnaceBoyit seemed more egregious to omit mention of windowsFeb 07 20:22
schestowitz>> ..."[PJ: Some of the responses are downright worrisome.] -  ,Feb 07 20:23
schestowitz>> > UbuntuForum comment"Feb 07 20:23
schestowitz> Yes, that one does show a good sampling of the strangeness that is M$,Feb 07 20:23
schestowitz> you see some of the same kind of postings elsewhere.   BTW would youFeb 07 20:23
schestowitz> have an idea how many users around the world either have dialup speedsFeb 07 20:23
schestowitz> or bandwidth caps?  Those are the ones screwed by the bait-and-switchFeb 07 20:24
schestowitz> move by Ubuntu 10.04.Feb 07 20:24
schestowitz> Feb 07 20:24
schestowitz>> Matt Asay almost went working for Microsoft some years ago, but a lot ofFeb 07 20:24
schestowitz>> > people do know this.Feb 07 20:24
schestowitz> I was wondering that.  What are the details and how does the timingFeb 07 20:24
schestowitz> coincide with his move to Mac?Feb 07 20:24
schestowitz"Microsoft Corp. has posted a 60% increase in quarterly profit"Feb 07 20:32
schestowitzhttp://www.nugget.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2282958Feb 07 20:32
schestowitzIt's a lies they can say it's trueFeb 07 20:32
schestowitz"Today I ate twice as much as yesterday..........."Feb 07 20:32
schestowitz[cause I fasted yesterday]Feb 07 20:32
schestowitz"Mike ran 60% faster this year"Feb 07 20:32
schestowitz[he wasn't running professionally last yearFeb 07 20:33
schestowitzHow to tell a lie without it counting a lie....... live and learn PR scumFeb 07 20:33
schestowitz_goblin: http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Don-Dodge-The-new-antiMicrosoft-evangelist/1265226378Feb 07 20:40
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schestowitzJoe WilxxFeb 07 20:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bear in the Big Blue House has just finished on TV...of which Im forced to sit through by the lad.....my brain has now melted. #tvFeb 07 20:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It has occurred to me that Vista RTM goes back to 2006 and I rarely ever see it around the UK (same with 7)Feb 07 20:49
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_goblinschestowitz: Those people just go to show that they will champion anything with a pay packet...far from just damaging to MS it shows that people like Don give opinions based on employment not honest held belief in my opinion.....  Just like if Ballmer worked for Apple or Canonical he'd be praising them instead....hypocracy and opinion based on money...end of story.Feb 07 20:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz indeed. i have seen precisely 2 instances of vista in the wild, both on high-end laptops.Feb 07 20:53
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kentmahiFeb 07 21:11
schestowitzHeyFeb 07 21:18
schestowitzWHat's new?Feb 07 21:18
kentmaoh man - I'm very worried.Feb 07 21:18
schestowitzHas anything happened?Feb 07 21:19
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kentmayes - major poblemFeb 07 21:20
kentmaproblem.Feb 07 21:20
kentmaI'm really worried about Homer - have you heard from him recently?Feb 07 21:20
schestowitzHe's in COLAFeb 07 21:23
schestowitzSeems happier than beforeFeb 07 21:23
kentmaNo, he's not... Feb 07 21:23
schestowitzThe influences on him are interestingFeb 07 21:23
schestowitzhe is more 'politically' activeFeb 07 21:24
schestowitzI actually admire some of his workFeb 07 21:25
kentmathat's as may be, but... I'm concerned - he's just *plonked* me, because I don't agree with his views on Star Trek... this seems to be, well, somewhat disproportionate to me, to say the least.  Actually, I'm stunned.Feb 07 21:25
schestowitzEither a joke or fakerFeb 07 21:25
schestowitzHe's not like this and he seems fond of youFeb 07 21:25
schestowitzMaybe a bad dayFeb 07 21:25
kentmaNo, it's not.  He's also removed me from the "cola"stats.Feb 07 21:25
schestowitzHeh. I'd take it humourously if anythingFeb 07 21:26
kentmaThat's why I'm worried - this is not a rational thing to do... Feb 07 21:26
schestowitzI didn't watch the argument closelyFeb 07 21:26
kentmaNo, he means it.  Feb 07 21:26
kentmaI thought it was all completely light-hearted, but apparently not.Feb 07 21:26
schestowitzMaybe moodyFeb 07 21:26
schestowitzHe gets trolled a lotFeb 07 21:26
kentmaWell, if you think he's okay, then fair enough, but I'm worried.Feb 07 21:26
schestowitzThey do the tricks they try on judgesFeb 07 21:26
schestowitzTo incite him for irrational reactionFeb 07 21:27
schestowitzCOLA has trigger-happy peopleFeb 07 21:27
schestowitzkentma: seems all right to meFeb 07 21:27
schestowitzI mean, I would not jump to conclusions or anythingFeb 07 21:27
schestowitzAnother one is MattFeb 07 21:28
schestowitzI don't think it's good to argue with jimFeb 07 21:28
schestowitz*himFeb 07 21:28
schestowitzhe has this x-platform agendaFeb 07 21:28
schestowitzBut he seems to be on our sideFeb 07 21:28
kentmaMatt has gone down some weird rabbit hole, Feb 07 21:28
schestowitzIt seems bad when we argue among ourselvesFeb 07 21:28
schestowitzkentma: maybe, but he's not there to trollFeb 07 21:28
schestowitzHe looks for Linux success storiesFeb 07 21:28
schestowitzBetter to assume one is a friendFeb 07 21:29
schestowitzI insulted some person whom I assumed (wrongly) to be a trollFeb 07 21:29
kentmawell yeah, but about /star trek/ ?  It's just fantasy.  The whole discussion was about different kinds of fantasy and their underlying philosophies.Feb 07 21:29
kentmaI wouldn't worry about that.Feb 07 21:29
kentmaI'm very worried about Keith, though - it seems to be very very odd behaviour.Feb 07 21:29
cubezzzthe original show was pretty good :)Feb 07 21:30
kentmastar trek?  oh god - don't start again :-DFeb 07 21:30
cubezzzdid you know that they used the navigator console to be the original transporter console? :)Feb 07 21:31
schestowitz:-D :--DFeb 07 21:31
schestowitzI only watched it as a teenagerFeb 07 21:31
kentmaWell, I rather like star-trek, and have seen every episode of every series, plus every film.  Even the pilot episode.Feb 07 21:31
kentma*but*, I don't romanticise it.Feb 07 21:31
kentmaHence I can talk on the subject, well, with some authority :-)Feb 07 21:32
kentmaanyway, I'm very worried about Homer.Feb 07 21:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: And I hate the trees. And I hate the flowers. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/27859.html http://is.gd/7TJyvFeb 07 21:34
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cubezzzanimated too? :)Feb 07 21:35
cubezzzI'm old enough to remember the first run of thoseFeb 07 21:35
cubezzz*ahem* anyways :)Feb 07 21:35
kentmaI watched them in the 1970sFeb 07 21:35
kentmaTOS, I mean.Feb 07 21:36
kentmaI didn't see the pilot episode then, I've seen that more recently, though.Feb 07 21:36
kentmaBut it does explain one of the later TOS episodes which is otherwise rather hard to understand.Feb 07 21:36
cubezzzthere's a longer version of "Where No Man has Gone Before" Feb 07 21:36
cubezzzit might be on bluray nowFeb 07 21:37
kentmaIs that the name of the new film? Feb 07 21:37
cubezzzno!Feb 07 21:37
cubezzzthe 2nd pilotFeb 07 21:37
cubezzzyou know the episode with Gary Mitchell?Feb 07 21:37
kentmathere was a two-part episode, but I thought only one pilot?Feb 07 21:38
cubezzztwo pilots...Feb 07 21:38
schestowitzIt has occurred to me that homer maybe omitted the digestsFeb 07 21:38
cubezzzNBC rejected the first pilotFeb 07 21:38
schestowitzMaybe that has something to do with stats changingFeb 07 21:38
cubezzzso they shot a 2nd oneFeb 07 21:38
schestowitzAmong a combination of issues, maybe momentary/reflexFeb 07 21:38
kentmaI know the one with Captain Archer and SpockFeb 07 21:39
*amarsh04 has been watching the star trek new voyages/phase II fan-made episodesFeb 07 21:39
kentmasorry, Pike!Feb 07 21:39
amarsh04then again they've had writers and actors from TOS / TNGFeb 07 21:39
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_No_Man_Has_Gone_BeforeFeb 07 21:40
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cubezzzyeah :)Feb 07 21:40
kentmaah, yes, just looked it up, yes, I know the menagerie well...Feb 07 21:40
cubezzzI saw a couple of thoseFeb 07 21:40
cubezzz"It was produced in 1965 after the first pilot, "The Cage", had been rejected by NBC. The episode was eventually broadcast third in sequence on September 22, 1966, and was re-aired on April 20, 1967."Feb 07 21:40
kentmaYes, I've seen all of them, I just hadn't realised that the 2nd one was a Pilot.Feb 07 21:41
cubezzzI even have a air check of star trekFeb 07 21:41
kentmaAnyway,  I was born in 1964, but watched them on the bbc in the 1970s.Feb 07 21:41
kentma:-)Feb 07 21:42
cubezzzcomplete with commercials from the 60's :)Feb 07 21:42
kentmahehe :-)  we didn't get them on bbc.Feb 07 21:42
kentmaand still don't.Feb 07 21:42
cubezzzah, so you would have seen it later thenFeb 07 21:42
cubezzzStar Trek was unique, it had smoking commercials, immediately followed by non-smoking adsFeb 07 21:42
kentmaI recall them from being maybe 6 or 7 years old, something like that, but they were showed for several years into the late 1970s.Feb 07 21:43
kentmaBlake's 7 eclipsed it, eventually - far more subversive :-)Feb 07 21:43
cubezzzI think I saw that onceFeb 07 21:43
amarsh04where I lived, one group screened TOS episodes at a small cinema Feb 07 21:44
kentma:-)Feb 07 21:44
cubezzz16 mm?Feb 07 21:44
cubezzzthey are floating around stillFeb 07 21:44
amarsh04yes cubezzzFeb 07 21:44
kentmaBlake's 7 is brilliant.  Similar effects budget to Star Trek, but magnificent stories, and not quite so "disney".Feb 07 21:44
cubezzzno one remembers "The Starlost" :)Feb 07 21:44
amarsh04yes, I used to watch Blake's 7Feb 07 21:44
kentmaSeveral episodes are still top-notch even by today's standards.Feb 07 21:45
cubezzzI assume Blake's 7 is available on DVD?Feb 07 21:45
kentmaYes.Feb 07 21:45
cubezzzwhat do you think of the current Dr Who?Feb 07 21:46
kentmaThe quality is not great, they were shot on 16mm film in the first place, and it was very very low budget.Feb 07 21:46
amarsh04Tennant?Feb 07 21:46
cubezzzyesFeb 07 21:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@H_FJ @splorp People keep all kinds of things in storage facilities. // There's a VAX-11/750 in mine...Feb 07 21:46
kentmaDr Who?  Well, it's got a good budget for the first time ever, which means it's slick and, well, impressive.Feb 07 21:46
amarsh04I think he was pretty good, but I didn't watch that series, more used to Jon Pertwee / Tom Baker and laterFeb 07 21:47
cubezzzI liked the original guyFeb 07 21:47
kentmaIt's a bit too "mystical" in parts for me, though.  Torchwood, however, is much more adult.Feb 07 21:47
kentmaPeter Cushing?Feb 07 21:47
amarsh04William Hartnell / Patrick what's is nameFeb 07 21:48
cubezzzummm, noFeb 07 21:48
cubezzzyeahFeb 07 21:48
cubezzzHartnellFeb 07 21:48
cubezzzI remember Cushing from the movie thoughFeb 07 21:48
kentmaPatrick Troughton  was the 2ndFeb 07 21:48
cubezzzI liked the one with the 5 doctors Feb 07 21:49
kentmaIt was always a children's show, really, though.Feb 07 21:49
kentmaIt was shown in the 5pm saturday night slot, as a sort of "family" show.Feb 07 21:49
cubezzzTroughton was the little guy?Feb 07 21:50
cubezzzthen the 3rd one rode around in that old carFeb 07 21:50
kentmayes, but so was Silvester MccoyFeb 07 21:50
kentmaThat was Jon Pertwee - one-time comedy actor - in the excellent "navy lark" amongst many others.Feb 07 21:50
cubezzzTom Baker :)Feb 07 21:51
cubezzzyeah I remember himFeb 07 21:51
kentmaHe's my favourite - thoroughly subversive, very funny.Feb 07 21:51
cubezzzPertwee did comedy?Feb 07 21:52
cubezzzI didn't know thatFeb 07 21:52
kentmayes, that was his real metierFeb 07 21:52
kentmaDr Who was a bit of an anomolyFeb 07 21:53
kentmaanomalyFeb 07 21:53
cubezzzwe don't get a lot of British shows over here, but CBC runs Dr WhoFeb 07 21:54
kentmaUK is mostly exporting formats at the moment, like pop idol, x-factor, strictly-come dancing, big brother, the office, who wants to be a millionaire, the weakest link...Feb 07 21:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Wars sending U.S. into ruin http://bit.ly/c6JPgd // mindboggling, if familiar, statistics #warFeb 07 21:56
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kentmaCan't say I'm a particular fan, apart from weakst link which is not bad as these things go.Feb 07 21:56
schestowitzAnother Microsoft Vice President has just quitFeb 07 21:57
kentmawhich one?Feb 07 21:57
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/193436.asp?from=blog_last3Feb 07 21:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft VP leaves in Education Products shake-up .::. Size~: 60.73 KBFeb 07 21:57
schestowitzIt has only been days since another VP leftFeb 07 21:58
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Major_DepartureFeb 07 21:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft - Major Departure - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 20.76 KBFeb 07 21:58
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/188270/mike_manos_quits_digital_realty_trust_joins_nokia.htmlFeb 07 21:59
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FurnaceBoykentma: I re-watched all of Blake's 7 a couple of years ago. Firefly seemed to borrow a lot :)Feb 07 22:04
FurnaceBoyTroughton was just before my time. I came in at Pertwee and finished with Tristan, whathisnameFeb 07 22:04
kentmaYou mean Davison?Feb 07 22:06
kentmaThe cricketer?Feb 07 22:06
kentmaex-vet :-)Feb 07 22:06
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FurnaceBoyyeah Davison. Peter.Feb 07 22:06
FurnaceBoyex-vet Tristan Feb 07 22:07
FurnaceBoythanksFeb 07 22:07
FurnaceBoyi saw him for years in ALl Creatures, never imagined he'd be Dr Who -- still doesn't fit, to me ;-)Feb 07 22:07
FurnaceBoybut then, I still think of Brideshead when I see Jeremy Irons. :)Feb 07 22:07
cubezzzJeremy Irons did some SFFeb 07 22:08
cubezzzumm, "The TIme Machine"Feb 07 22:08
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 07 22:09
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cubezzzI did enjoy some of the Hartnell episodesFeb 07 22:10
cubezzzHartnell seemed to be the quintessential Dr WhoFeb 07 22:10
_goblinare people aware (and I appologize if Im slow Ive been busy at work all week) but Canonical seem to be considering leaving out OpenOffice in Lucid...?Feb 07 22:10
FurnaceBoycubezzz: everybody's quintessential Who is different. Mine would be Tom Bakr.Feb 07 22:12
FurnaceBoyer*Feb 07 22:12
FurnaceBoyI agree with kentma, he had a subversive streakFeb 07 22:12
FurnaceBoyBlake's 7 kicked ass. re-watching it was great.Feb 07 22:12
FurnaceBoyhighly recommended.Feb 07 22:12
FurnaceBoymore consistent quality than BSG by far !Feb 07 22:13
*FurnaceBoy ducksFeb 07 22:13
FurnaceBoybest point of modern comparison might be Firefly imhoFeb 07 22:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im finding Brasero a little unreliable, has issues with disks being unmounted....switched back to K3b - no such issues. #linux #fossFeb 07 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Canonical is considering leaving Open Office out of its Lucid NBR...to replace with what? #ubuntu #canonical #llinux #fossFeb 07 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Not that it matters much. So many distro's to choose from, if Lucid fails to impress users, theres plenty of alternatives DSL or Puppy etcFeb 07 22:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ballardian Kander's photos "glimpse of what a Ballardian sensibility might create" http://bit.ly/d6haRw /or a greedy,heedless one #chinaFeb 07 22:46
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cubezzzI liked Baker tooFeb 07 22:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And @apiphile comes up with THE ULTIMATE SHIELD AGAINST PAEDOPHILES http://apiphile.livejournal.com/2252896.htmlFeb 07 22:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard I once saw the thing on a desktop !! :-)Feb 07 22:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Get the train on weekdays at around 1030pm and be prepared for commuters who have had after work drinks stinking it out. Horrible.... #brFeb 07 22:50
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/193048.asp?from=blog_last3  http://ostatic.com/blog/new-zealand-school-shows-microsoft-the-doorFeb 07 22:50
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cubezzzoh yeah :)Feb 07 22:51
cubezzzgood newsFeb 07 22:51
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/Satyagraha_ji/status/8781242468Feb 07 22:51
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schestowitzMicrosoft can find new market in MarsFeb 07 22:51
schestowitzAlien keyboards.....Feb 07 22:51
*FurnaceBoy toasts New Zealand good senseFeb 07 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch what the man behind "Change Congress" (Prof. Larry Lessig) says. http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002525Feb 07 22:52
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: MS NZ is a mess this monthFeb 07 22:53
schestowitzhttp://m.nbr.co.nz/article/muckleston-temporarily-take-helm-microsoft-117498Feb 07 22:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Canonical is considering leaving Open Office out of its Lucid NBR...to replace with what? #ubuntu #canonical #llinux #fossFeb 07 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 2010 will probably be the year I move away from the Gnome DE completely....but it won't be KDE that I choose.. #linux #foss #gnome #kdeFeb 07 22:53
schestowitz"All its executives in charge of music, e-books, phone, online search and tablet efforts over the past decade have left the organization." http://www.benzinga.com/markets/company-news/111155/wake-up-call-for-microsoft-aapl-amzn-msftFeb 07 22:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #NZ school saves money, hardware by shunning #Microsoft http://bit.ly/8dPKkp (just 4 servers instead of **48** needed for MS-based infra!)Feb 07 22:54
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it sort of legitimises him... better not to quote him, IMHOFeb 07 22:55
schestowitz[I mean, the Hitler quote]Feb 07 22:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If Canonical is wanting to remove as much bloat from Lucid NBR as possible, what does the future hold for Mono on NBR?Feb 07 22:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002526Feb 07 22:55
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i know what you mean. i prefer to avoid.Feb 07 22:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Watch for the comment "Im a Linux user but...." when reading a Microsoft advocate trying to convince you Windows is superior. #microsoftFeb 07 22:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin or "I used to be an atheist" and "I used to be a Tory"Feb 07 22:58
schestowitzzoobab: is Digital Majority back in action?Feb 07 22:59
cubezzzno more butsFeb 07 23:03
schestowitz*LOL* virtual Sutor. http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/02/first-impressions-twinity/Feb 07 23:04
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schestowitzThe "'new' Microsoft": http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/188659/microsoft_to_drop_linux_unix_versions_of_enterprise_search.htmlFeb 07 23:06
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schestowitzhttp://linux.die.net/man/1/alien http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/44573/how_to_become_a_certified_bbq_judge.htmlFeb 07 23:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/weekinreview/31lohr.html?hpw attempt to turn PCs to "gadgets/:"Feb 07 23:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Steve Jobs and the Economics of Elitism - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 61.43 KBFeb 07 23:11
FurnaceBoy"Twinity is only available for Windows."Feb 07 23:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Leaving it out of Lucid – More 10.04 news in a UNR form. http://tinyurl.com/ylgdgas #ubuntu #linux #foss #gnu #microsoft #windows #xp #vistaFeb 07 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Leaving it out of Lucid  More 10.04 news in a UNR form. «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 30.04 KBFeb 07 23:21
schestowitzsebsebseb: heyFeb 07 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz lol..true....Btw Roy, will you consider coming to Oggcamp? Ive got the time off work....should be good.Feb 07 23:26
schestowitzAnyone heard of http://www.forgerock.com/openam.html ?Feb 07 23:28
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amarsh04morning radio just interviewed Basil BrushFeb 07 23:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin maybe. I'll give it a thought..Feb 07 23:29
cubezzzI mostly listen to 80s :)Feb 07 23:29
cubezzzmplayer -playlist http://www.977music.com/tunein/web/80s.asxFeb 07 23:30
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schestowitzisn't that asp?Feb 07 23:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Hope so.Feb 07 23:31
cubezzzyou know is rather disturbing how many people die in car accidentsFeb 07 23:37
cubezzzit'sFeb 07 23:37
cubezzzwe need robotic cars or somethingFeb 07 23:37
_goblindon't know if thats a good idea.....MS would fiddle the contracts for OEM.........you'd get a BSOD at 100mph and when the insurance claim came in MS would blame you....Feb 07 23:40
_goblinor worse hijacked by Malware and find your car on autopilot to the scammers warehouse.Feb 07 23:41
cubezzzdon't get a Microsoft Car :)Feb 07 23:42
cubezzzfor some reason I thought 2 million people die from car accidents per year, but I don't think it's that manyFeb 07 23:42
cubezzz40K per year in the USFeb 07 23:43
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schestowitzMicrosoft tries this with Ford and Kia right nowFeb 07 23:43
schestowitzThe Ford thing phones 911 when the airbags come outFeb 07 23:43
schestowitzI reckon on the eve of dec 31 2009 it would phone accidentallyFeb 07 23:44
schestowitzMaking it a punishable offenceFeb 07 23:44
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Year-2016-Text-Message-Bug-Officially-Acknowledged-131117.shtmlFeb 07 23:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.zarafa.com/news/6-feb-zarafa-collaboration-platform-packaged-ubuntu-and-fedoraFeb 07 23:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 6 Feb. Zarafa Collaboration Platform Packaged for Ubuntu and Fedora | www.zarafa.com .::. Size~: 23.62 KBFeb 07 23:45
schestowitzhttp://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/02/01/copyright-not-all-equal.htmlFeb 07 23:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not All Copyright Assignment is Created Equal - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 16.2 KBFeb 07 23:48
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yuhongI just posted this as comment:Feb 07 23:49
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/07/michael-arrington-microsoft-bribes/#comment-81113Feb 07 23:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Michael Arrington a Hypocrite: Bribed by Microsoft Yet Fires Bribed Bloggers | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.04 KBFeb 07 23:49
_goblinIn relation to Robocar I think Scotty from Startrek got it right:Feb 07 23:51
_goblinThe more you over-tech the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.Feb 07 23:51
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yuhongAnd on the "people ready" thing by MS, yea GigaOM handled it better in this case:Feb 07 23:51
cubezzzyou can be paid for a review but the review must be honestFeb 07 23:51
yuhonghttp://gigaom.com/2007/06/22/on-the-microsoft-ad-campaign/Feb 07 23:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: On the Microsoft Ad Campaign  GigaOM .::. Size~: 231.61 KBFeb 07 23:52
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