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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8864 | Feb 08 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: "Obama is starting to talk tough regarding the banksters, but his support for people such as Geithner and Bernanke undermines that stand. " | Feb 08 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | http://politics.theatlantic.com/2010/02/the_corporations_already_outspend_the_parties.php | Feb 08 00:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Corporations Already Outspend The Parties - The Atlantic Politics Channel .::. Size~: 68.17 KB | Feb 08 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/05/bank-america-fraud-charges | Feb 08 00:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder if US sports pundits & fans see the on field play as an inconvenient distraction between statistic battles & advert breaks | Feb 08 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/image-omg-ipod-made-in-africa.html | Feb 08 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/iran-detains-7-spies-tied-usfunded-radio-station/ | Feb 08 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/palin-skipped-paying-property-taxes-cabins-records-show/ | Feb 08 00:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Palin skipped paying property taxes on cabins, records show | Raw Story .::. Size~: 39.88 KB | Feb 08 00:16 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: maybe she can move in w/ you :-) | Feb 08 00:16 |
| _goblin | don't think the wife would be happy | Feb 08 00:18 |
| _goblin | But I could probably hide her in our out-house and get away with it... | Feb 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://asay.blogspot.com/2010/01/ex-nihilo-motivation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Acos+%28AC%2FOS%29 "My motivation to lose weight? A 19-year old neighbor calling me fat. That's all it took. After years of wanting to exercise and control my eating, one random comment from someone who has no conception of body fat and I was devoted to losing weight." | Feb 08 00:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AC/OS: Ex nihilo motivation .::. Size~: 59.28 KB | Feb 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Hide who, _goblin? | Feb 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | The wife or Palin? | Feb 08 00:20 |
| _goblin | good question..... | Feb 08 00:22 |
| _goblin | :) | Feb 08 00:22 |
| _goblin | maybe both..... | Feb 08 00:22 |
| _goblin | Theres only one for me (in celeb world)..... | Feb 08 00:22 |
| _goblin | Paris Hilton | Feb 08 00:22 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10447655-37.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Feb 08 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: you'd have to speak slowly to her | Feb 08 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kernel-Log-Coming-in-2-6-33-Part-3-Graphics-922495.html/from/rss | Feb 08 00:26 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: You say that like its a bad thing..... ;) | Feb 08 00:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Forgetting for a minute that Avatar is a good tech demo,remind me what's so great about the story and how it even compares to real classics. | Feb 08 00:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb Couldn't answer for the SB but the WWE is ruined by advert breaks in the UK..thank goodness for the HDrecorder and fast forward. | Feb 08 00:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The loss of patent protection for software could make programmers realise that they have more in common with authors: http://i5.be/arG | Feb 08 00:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tech.view: Patent nonsense | The Economist .::. Size~: 64.42 KB | Feb 08 00:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Microsoft investigating disappearing music from Zune Pass - Typical MS response "it's someone else's fault" http://tinyurl.com/ybkkwmv | Feb 08 00:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft investigating disappearing music from Zune Pass .::. Size~: 27.56 KB | Feb 08 00:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb I covered this a few days ago....Im expecting a "Microsoft blames" too...question is, who will they blame? | Feb 08 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | Matt Asay needs a new E-mail address. mjasay@mac.com does not work well for a Canonical employee. | Feb 08 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Why I won't use KDE 4 http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2010/02/07/why-i-wont-use-kde-4 | Feb 08 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: George Wright's Blog .::. Size~: 28.22 KB | Feb 08 00:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] do the US have a national NFL team? if so, who do they play? | Feb 08 00:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Mozilla against patented h264 video format, Mozilla said the H.264 license would cost $5 million: http://i5.be/arH | Feb 08 01:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Web video gets H.264 royalty reprieve | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 61.43 KB | Feb 08 01:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The closed approach of ACTA will probably more sooner than later discredit the entire field of Intellectual Property law: http://i5.be/arK | Feb 08 01:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab yes, their protests pay off | Feb 08 01:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Kill FTP. Kill FTP with a stick. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie | Feb 08 01:31 | |
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| *schestowitz watches http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-23177652957550453# | Feb 08 01:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Turned on Superbowl for long enough to watch The Who, then turned it off and turned the DVD player on again. | Feb 08 01:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Kill FTP. Kill FTP with a stick. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie | Feb 08 01:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/06/cambodia-lambastes-google-over-border-portrayal | Feb 08 01:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Judge Jeopardizes Anti-Piracy Cash Operation http://bit.ly/9Jtj6m | Feb 08 01:57 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier_: server issue | Feb 08 02:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Should Stephen Harper be Considered a Traitor? http://bit.ly/bNQ15R | Feb 08 02:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Adobe pays patent royalties for the h264 codec so that video plays reliably worldwide, across browsers and OS's: http://i5.be/arL | Feb 08 02:43 | |
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| tessier__ | Still slow? | Feb 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Keeps at about 0.10 at most | Feb 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it gives error page (not found) | Feb 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it delivers super slowly, I don't know why | Feb 08 02:45 |
| schestowitz | I tried restarting Apache earlier | Feb 08 02:46 |
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| schestowitz | THe server seems away temporarily | Feb 08 02:47 |
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| tessier__ | hmm...I don't see anything wrong here... | Feb 08 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Pages don't load from here | Feb 08 02:53 |
| schestowitz | load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.05 | Feb 08 02:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like it's there, but not willing to respond the vast majority of the time | Feb 08 02:54 |
| tessier__ | Yeah, I'm not seeing pages either. Looking for why... | Feb 08 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much | Feb 08 02:56 |
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| tessier__ | How are things now? | Feb 08 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Looks great so far | Feb 08 03:08 |
| schestowitz | Did you manage to track the issue? | Feb 08 03:08 |
| tessier__ | Only thing I can think of that may have caused this is that the time on the vm host was off so I reset it a while ago. That may have confused the proxy. Sorry for all of the hassles lately. | Feb 08 03:08 |
| tessier__ | Odd that it would have taken so long for the problem to manifest though. That was nearly two hours ago. | Feb 08 03:09 |
| tessier__ | Maybe even three. I happened to be dining nearby the datacenter so I was able to stop by and have a look at the machine directly. | Feb 08 03:09 |
| tessier__ | I'm outta here. bbiab | Feb 08 03:10 |
| schestowitz | Don't be sorry :-) | Feb 08 03:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm thankful for all you do for us! | Feb 08 03:10 |
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| FurnaceBoy | _goblin has horrible taste in women. | Feb 08 03:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | s/horrible/execrable/ | Feb 08 03:28 |
| cubezzz | ? | Feb 08 03:28 |
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| Agent-Smith | Hi folks | Feb 08 03:29 |
| Agent-Smith | I'm not being able to post comments... | Feb 08 03:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah there's some server prob | Feb 08 03:29 |
| Agent-Smith | Any glitch or bug ??? | Feb 08 03:30 |
| cubezzz | uh tessier is looking into it I think | Feb 08 03:30 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok | Feb 08 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | meh, whoever has the power in the relationship is the one who cares the least | Feb 08 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | as love and effort increase, the probability of self-destruction approaches one | Feb 08 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 08 03:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Who has the $$$ has the power... | Feb 08 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, If you watched the power of nightmares series on Youtube you would have noticed game theory being applied to families | Feb 08 03:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, just dropped by to say hi... | Feb 08 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | And ask about the comments... | Feb 08 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Agent-Smith: boa noite | Feb 08 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Got to go | Feb 08 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Boa pra todos nós | Feb 08 03:34 |
| cubezzz | a documentary of some type I gather | Feb 08 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye folks | Feb 08 03:34 |
| cubezzz | later | Feb 08 03:34 |
| Agent-Smith | Cya | Feb 08 03:34 |
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| Dougie | hello | Feb 08 04:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm making a script to deflate FLAC files, run them through the TAU audio analyzer, and report back on whether they are MPEG fakes or the real deal. | Feb 08 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 08 04:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm bound to task what kind of script | Feb 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | just a simple shell script | Feb 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | automate the repetitive crap you have to do otherwise | Feb 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, A 500,000 line script that relies on JAVA, Mono, TK, Perl, and Bashisms at once | Feb 08 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahaaaaaaa | Feb 08 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | people are using Mono to create incredibly resource hungry apps that don't do much | Feb 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | I've noticed that | Feb 08 04:37 |
| cubezzz | I almost expected VB script :) | Feb 08 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | I think a secondary goal of Mono is to make so many Linux apps need it that Linux is useless on an old PC | Feb 08 04:38 |
| cubezzz | I doubt that will happen | Feb 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Galaxium was abandoned at some point last year, cubezzz | Feb 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | simple messaging app for MSN, right? | Feb 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | ate over 100 megs of RAM idling | Feb 08 04:39 |
| cubezzz | I believe I mentioned I don't use Microsoft products? :) | Feb 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | Pidgin can log into every protocol is supports at once and not take more than 40 MB | Feb 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | just MSN alone, you're looking at <30 | Feb 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | so Galaxium was taking like 70% more RAM to do the same thing | Feb 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Feb 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | 70 MB more RAM | Feb 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | well, Mono proponents are arguing for the proliferation of Mono versions of everything because it saves a few megabytes on the disk | Feb 08 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | but look how much more RAM these things use | Feb 08 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | you'd get a bigger disk space win by removing Mono from your base install instead | Feb 08 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, There's an "Undercover Boss" show on where CEOs do normal jobs in their company disguised as regular workers | Feb 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | this one is failing pretty bad | Feb 08 04:47 |
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| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - thats just their excuse, disk space | Feb 08 05:40 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - the real agenda seems to simply replace well established apps with c# replacements | Feb 08 05:41 |
| Ender2070 | you could replace mono/tomboy with Qt/Digicam and use less space too | Feb 08 05:42 |
| Ender2070 | even on a gnome distro | Feb 08 05:42 |
| Ender2070 | err, digikam | Feb 08 05:42 |
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| rfgergrthnre | schestowitz? | Feb 08 05:46 |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, You want to know what's real messed up? | Feb 08 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | when I thought I couldn't stream on my webcam for the last couple of years it's not because Flash didn't support my microphone | Feb 08 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's because it was being exposed to the line in from the sound card and preferring that yo my microphone | Feb 08 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | *to | Feb 08 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | this calls for another jwz quote | Feb 08 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | "It's Linux." | Feb 08 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 08 06:01 |
| *amarsh04 is watching sts-130 launch attempt take 2, crew being strapped in | Feb 08 06:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, countdown to no US space program and the money being spent on welfare for 60 million illegal immigrants instead | Feb 08 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 08 06:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | 60 million? | Feb 08 06:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think even the most rabid wingnut is satisfied with ~ 11 mil | Feb 08 06:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | and these are not even necessarily a net cost. | Feb 08 06:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | not related to the space budget in any way, | Feb 08 06:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | the US spends half the world's total military spending. maybe that can be repurposed to things you like better. | Feb 08 06:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | that is, if you like anything better than a good ole war. | Feb 08 06:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | perpetual war* | Feb 08 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | there's over 20 million Mexicans here illegally | Feb 08 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's before you count anyone else | Feb 08 06:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | never heard that figure, even from wingnuts. | Feb 08 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | and that's what they're "telling us about" | Feb 08 06:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | you are looking in the wrong place for the US economic woes. | Feb 08 06:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | start checking: tax cuts; tax evasion; dismantling of manufacturing since WWII; insane expenditure on military and continual war since WWII. | Feb 08 06:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | blame mexicans if you like. won't get you far. | Feb 08 06:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | mexicans, undocumented or not, are the hardest workers you got down there. | Feb 08 06:18 |
| amarsh04 | t minus 2 hours | Feb 08 06:18 |
| amarsh04 | launch in 3 hours | Feb 08 06:19 |
| amarsh04 | realplayer can at least play a 149 kbps stream on this pii-266 | Feb 08 06:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh, impressive. | Feb 08 06:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah i used to do that on linux/powerpc in about 2001 | Feb 08 06:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | that would have been a PPC 604, hm, a Power Computing... what clock speed | Feb 08 06:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | 300MHz? | Feb 08 06:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | i forget. | Feb 08 06:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, specifically NASA TV. when we first got 1.5Mbit ADSL | Feb 08 06:22 |
| amarsh04 | not bad considering I have web browser, news/mail, irc open also | Feb 08 06:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | all those are nothing at idle, though | Feb 08 06:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | irc is negligible | Feb 08 06:23 |
| amarsh04 | adsl2+ at about 10Mbit/s | Feb 08 06:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, there you go. | Feb 08 06:23 |
| amarsh04 | I have leafnode bringing in news articles also | Feb 08 06:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | 149 kbps is only 1% of your connection | Feb 08 06:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | irc is only 0.0000000000000001% | Feb 08 06:23 |
| amarsh04 | konversation 0.6-3.3 percent cpu | Feb 08 06:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | as it should be | Feb 08 06:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | anything more, i'd be worried | Feb 08 06:24 |
| amarsh04 | and people tell me that xmms2 is cpu-friendly - it isn't | Feb 08 06:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | on a PII\-266 you'd be in a position to know :) | Feb 08 06:25 |
| amarsh04 | order of magnitude more cpu consumption than xmms 1.2 I have here | Feb 08 06:25 |
| amarsh04 | on my fast pc, the xserver-xorg-video-radeon is performing well with the radeon3200hd (rs780) | Feb 08 06:27 |
| amarsh04 | extremetuxracer, tuxkart, billard-gl... all seem fine | Feb 08 06:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | works well for my r500 = r1650pro | Feb 08 06:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | *finally* got DRI | Feb 08 06:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | by dumping fglrx when i realised it didn't support r500 any more :) | Feb 08 06:28 |
| amarsh04 | dri2 is good | Feb 08 06:28 |
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| amarsh04 | hmmm, nasa-tv is looping, repeating a sequence from a few minutes ago | Feb 08 06:29 |
| amarsh04 | restarted the stream and it seems to be fixed | Feb 08 06:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Omar Khadr has as much right to be in #Canada as Stephen stinking #Harper does. | Feb 08 06:31 | |
| amarsh04 | someone forgot a flight data file, so someone else is driving out to the launchpad with it | Feb 08 06:33 |
| amarsh04 | "red team" - sounds like expendable star trek crew | Feb 08 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented resident" is just a euphemism, like someone just forgot to fill out a paper on them | Feb 08 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's like calling a burglar an "annoying guest" | Feb 08 06:42 |
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| DaemonFC | the liberals like to xite "Nineteen Eighty-Four" a lot, but they're the ones putting out most of the fluffy feel good euphemisms to describe all the rotten shit thats going on | Feb 08 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | *cite | Feb 08 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | political correctness = newspeak | Feb 08 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | calling something what it is = oldspeak | Feb 08 06:44 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.choice.com.au/Consumer-Action/Sustainable-choices/Campaign-news/Universal-phone-chargers/page/CHOICE%20call%20to%20action.aspx | Feb 08 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | liberalism is the biggest attack on your ability to think for yourself there is | Feb 08 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | the Communists and Nazis were far left actually, the social reformers | Feb 08 06:46 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | the Communists and Nazis were far left actually, the social reformers | Feb 08 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 08 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | the far left and the far right are more like 0 and 9 on an odometer, they're so close that they don't even know it | Feb 08 06:48 |
| amarsh04 | why should Nigeria get improved internet connectivity ahead of other African countries http://www.compassnews.net/Ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40631:indigenous-operators-tackle-nigerias-broadband-challenge&catid=37:info-tech&Itemid=709 | Feb 08 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | stop breaking godwin | Feb 08 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | and it doesnt matter what wing | Feb 08 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjWALYlH0A | Feb 08 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | oh my this one is way better, fast forward past the puppet part | Feb 08 07:08 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy93ZfkTTwU | Feb 08 07:08 |
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| amarsh04 | Endeavour hatch has been closed | Feb 08 07:15 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD1KFknxJ78 | Feb 08 07:23 |
| cubezzz | blah :) | Feb 08 07:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @eduvid: OK, in Indian content we are now using term "Sarvajanika Software" which means FOSS and not public domain #foss #india (Plz RT) | Feb 08 07:25 | |
| amarsh04 | one hour fifty minutes to Endeavour launch | Feb 08 07:28 |
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| DaemonFC | amarsh04, They had a Space Shuttle add-on for Flight Simulator | Feb 08 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | it was just orbit to landing though :P | Feb 08 07:36 |
| Ender2070 | I got the whole one | Feb 08 07:37 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0 | Feb 08 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | I liked FSX Acceleration though | Feb 08 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | the F/A 18 B-) | Feb 08 07:41 |
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| ArdRigh | hi all | Feb 08 07:52 |
| ArdRigh | does boycottnovell have a twitter or identi.ca feed? | Feb 08 07:52 |
| amarsh04 | ah right DaemonFC | Feb 08 08:00 |
| amarsh04 | 74 minutes to launch | Feb 08 08:03 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.loopnet.com/property/16097665/1515-Riverfork-Drive-West/ | Feb 08 08:14 |
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| DaemonFC | one of the places I used to work at | Feb 08 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | for the low low price of $7.1 million | Feb 08 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | everything in that entire industrial park is dead or dying | Feb 08 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | unemployment has tripled since 2007 | Feb 08 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 08 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | fun times | Feb 08 08:15 |
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| DaemonFC | if they made it a felony to not check into an employees legal status, there would be 10-15 million more Americans working than there are :) | Feb 08 08:17 |
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| DaemonFC | that's like, the population of two or three states out of work because an illegal alien is here | Feb 08 08:18 |
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| DaemonFC | they're still talking about Michael Jackson's death (who will be put on trial over his drug addictions) | Feb 08 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think the doctor was probably telling the truth when he said that Jackson just threatened to pay some other doctor to give him narcotics | Feb 08 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | anyone can be corrupted for the right amount of money | Feb 08 08:20 |
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| cubezzz | anyone know what this is: | Feb 08 08:25 |
| cubezzz | dbus 10657 1 0 03:15 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon-1 --system | Feb 08 08:25 |
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| cubezzz | ok, I think I'm back to normal now | Feb 08 08:27 |
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| cubezzz | well, if you kill dbus-deamon-1 it really f**ks up everything :) | Feb 08 08:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Lucid is going to be so sweet | Feb 08 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | DEATH TO HAL!!!! | Feb 08 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 08 08:46 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: You don't like HAL? | Feb 08 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Feb 08 09:00 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: You used to work for Microsoft didn't you? | Feb 08 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | no | Feb 08 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | I was an MVP | Feb 08 09:01 |
| sebsebseb | MVP? Microsoft something professional? | Feb 08 09:01 |
| sebsebseb | The comments here are interesting http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010020600435NWUB | Feb 08 09:03 |
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| sebsebseb | oh no bot | Feb 08 09:03 |
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| sebsebseb | anyway what do you think of it? | Feb 08 09:03 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Will Canonical get sold to another company eventually? | Feb 08 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it. | Feb 08 09:05 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Are things going to get better or worse, because of Matt Asay? | Feb 08 09:06 |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Matt Asay is irrelevant | Feb 08 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | but he's an Apple shill more than he is a Microsoft one, so it's not like he's all that dangerous | Feb 08 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing Apple is alarmingly popular with is MP3 players that cost 3 times over fair market value and won't sync without a really horrid piece of software :) | Feb 08 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | if you're crazy enough to buy an iPod and like it, there's no saving you | Feb 08 09:12 |
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| schestowitz | [09:11] <DaemonFC> but he's an Apple shill more than he is a Microsoft one, so it's not like he's all that dangerous | Feb 08 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | He almost worked for Microsoft some years ago | Feb 08 09:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Games for #GNU #Linux , Including a New One That's Coming http://ur1.ca/lshn http://ur1.ca/lsho | Feb 08 09:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I can hear what sounds like the Broadmoor sirens. They're coming to get me. | Feb 08 10:11 | |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, DeviceKit is just so much less failure prone than HAL | Feb 08 10:12 |
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| DaemonFC | and HAL is responsible for so much hardware interaction in so many use cases that it's 100% guaranteed to frustrate you eventually | Feb 08 10:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Rails Programmers to Get Version 3 http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Development-of-Rails-3-on-schedule-923062.html | Feb 08 10:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Makes #WebKit Better http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/06/AR2010020602271.html | Feb 08 10:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | Almost everything important uses DeviceKit now and HAL will no longer be necessary in Ubuntu 10.04 | Feb 08 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad that this will happen in time for the LTS | Feb 08 10:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Men At Work Meet #IntellectualMonopolies http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8499973.stm | Feb 08 10:21 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh ok | Feb 08 10:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Rmaps for Android is a really nice Google maps replacement which uses openstreetmap at the backend. | Feb 08 10:30 | |
| sebsebseb | The article didn't seem that bad to me, but mainly rather negative comments on Linux Today http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010020501435OPMS Hey look schestowitz he links to one of your blog enteries http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-05-014-35-OP-MS-0006 Now this is a good comment http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-05-014-35-OP-MS-0014 | Feb 08 10:30 |
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| sebsebseb | Right this time i'll link to the actsual article as well, but only since the bot messed up the Linux Today URL titles. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html | Feb 08 10:33 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 08 11:15 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] It turns out the weekly newspaper of the Falkland/Malvinas Islands is called Penguin News. #tux #linux | Feb 08 11:22 | |
| schestowitz | Old | Feb 08 11:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/matt-asay-joins-canonical/ | Feb 08 11:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is freaking out and trying to figure out how to make money after burning venture capital since 2004 | Feb 08 11:49 |
| cubezzz | wow, the "new" dlink I bought was from 2007 | Feb 08 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | there's ways to make money without becoming dishonest, and I'd like to say that Asay's potential damage is probably mitigated by the fact that he's just one person | Feb 08 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | also, the former Microsoft/Novell people, most people are just as loyal as their next paycheck guarantees | Feb 08 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't on Microsoft's/Novell's salary now, so who knows? | Feb 08 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | the Yahell by default thing was probably an isolated incident | Feb 08 11:52 |
| cubezzz | what about people who volunteer? | Feb 08 11:52 |
| cubezzz | they can still be loyal to a cause | Feb 08 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, They're working for someone for salary | Feb 08 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like you eek out a living by volunteering and not holding a for-pay job | Feb 08 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest threat for Ubuntu is not being profitable for Canonical | Feb 08 11:54 |
| cubezzz | depends | Feb 08 11:54 |
| cubezzz | you could already be rich | Feb 08 11:54 |
| cubezzz | then "working for a paycheque" losing it's appeal | Feb 08 11:54 |
| cubezzz | loses | Feb 08 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | true | Feb 08 11:54 |
| schestowitz | These talks annoy me........ | Feb 08 11:55 |
| schestowitz | "Going forward...." | Feb 08 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | Shuttleworth didn't fork over millions of dollars to Ubuntu to start some kind of non-profit thing | Feb 08 11:55 |
| schestowitz | "Innovations....." | Feb 08 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | it was venture capital | Feb 08 11:55 |
| schestowitz | "Best of breed..." :-) | Feb 08 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | you know, shell out money now as an investment | Feb 08 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | investment = risk (You could lose your ass, you might make more money) | Feb 08 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | Really, if it wasn't for the annoyingly long and unpredictable span between Debian releases, Ubuntu would have no reason to exist | Feb 08 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | and that release span is due to supporting everything with any kind of CPU equally even if only a few people have that CPU | Feb 08 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | and they're about to make things worse by declaring Debian/kFreeBSD a supported configuration | Feb 08 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | probably the worst thing they can do when they're already struggling to maintain 12 branches of Debian Linux B-) | Feb 08 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | something failing to build on some crusty old architecture with three users on Earth could hold up the release for people on x86 | Feb 08 11:59 |
| cubezzz | well, it's nice I got my router's source code at least | Feb 08 12:00 |
| cubezzz | 69 megs :) | Feb 08 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu not supporting anything but x86 and X86-64 in the mainstream release allows predictable 6 month releases that Debian can't promis | Feb 08 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | *promise | Feb 08 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | and that has a lot of appeal | Feb 08 12:01 |
| cubezzz | ok, about Ubuntu... | Feb 08 12:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm sorry to say I don't care for it | Feb 08 12:01 |
| cubezzz | there are better distros | Feb 08 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is easy to install, easy to use, and easy to grab software for, and there's fewer "What the fuck!?!?" bugs than most other distros | Feb 08 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of the better ones anyway | Feb 08 12:02 |
| cubezzz | what I would like is a distro specifically for developers | Feb 08 12:02 |
| cubezzz | meh | Feb 08 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu probably does a lot of things better than any other distro | Feb 08 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | PPA is my favorite, and yeah it's like OpenSuse build service with less chance of conflicts | Feb 08 12:04 |
| cubezzz | I actually complained to my ISP about mono-culture a few days ago | Feb 08 12:06 |
| cubezzz | they had some Sparc boxes they weren't even using | Feb 08 12:06 |
| cubezzz | everything running was intel | Feb 08 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Feb 08 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | X86-64 is more cost effective in many cases | Feb 08 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, having capable hardware laying around is stupid | Feb 08 12:07 |
| cubezzz | X86 is a power pig | Feb 08 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, That matters on mobile gadgets more than a server rack | Feb 08 12:08 |
| cubezzz | I would have liked to play around on the sparc though | Feb 08 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | it makes so little difference on a server rack, that it's not even worth considering | Feb 08 12:08 |
| cubezzz | more heat = more hardware failures | Feb 08 12:08 |
| cubezzz | more power = more heat | Feb 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | I've been using X86-64 since the hardware was out | Feb 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is well it will become | Feb 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | in my desktops anyway | Feb 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | the only serious proper desktop competition to Microsoft maybe | Feb 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | there's Apple now, but they are a joke | Feb 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | they do not compete properly against Windows | Feb 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | that was meant to be above, might become | Feb 08 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, I switched to Linux in part because XP had no X86-64 support at all for a while and when it did, there was piss poor driver support | Feb 08 12:10 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, tell me, do you have anything non Intel? | Feb 08 12:10 |
| sebsebseb | pretty likely I think as time goes on, unless mobile devices start to replace the desktop for many big time | Feb 08 12:10 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz, you mean non-x86? No. | Feb 08 12:10 |
| sebsebseb | some think Desktop Linux will never gain a more proper market share | Feb 08 12:10 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 08 12:10 |
| cubezzz | mono-culture wins again | Feb 08 12:10 |
| sebsebseb | and they have their reasons for that, how distros aren't all compatible with each other etc | Feb 08 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | I just really don't even care about non-x86 stuff, it makes a terrible desktop choice | Feb 08 12:11 |
| cubezzz | not only are you intel, you're wintel | Feb 08 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | mainly because you're not going to have Flash, you can't use Wine | Feb 08 12:11 |
| cubezzz | hahaha, so what? | Feb 08 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | right maybe so, but even so, take just Ubuntu for example, it seems there are people trying it like every day, that are wanting to get away from Windows | Feb 08 12:11 |
| cubezzz | you think I care about flash? | Feb 08 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | oh I was reading stuff earlier about open source and free software, the names, the differences etc | Feb 08 12:12 |
| cubezzz | flash is the scourge of the internet | Feb 08 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking ok that's nice for us geeks to read about, but average computer users don't care about stuff like that, they just want software that works for what they want to do on a computer | Feb 08 12:12 |
| cubezzz | more binary blob-o-mania | Feb 08 12:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh and you guys can say Mono is bad and such at times, but what I just said applys to that as well, averag computer users woudn't care, they just want a program that does what they want to do on a computer | Feb 08 12:13 |
| sebsebseb | that's who Ubuntu is starting to target more now days, the same target audiance Microsoft have, except they already have that market when it comes to Windows and Office | Feb 08 12:14 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is getting a bit hrm, getting better in some ways, and worse in others, but it's still a good one for new Desktop Linux users | Feb 08 12:15 |
| cubezzz | people are feel to use whatever they want | Feb 08 12:15 |
| cubezzz | but my ISP, that's another thing altogether | Feb 08 12:16 |
| cubezzz | they _have_ to try to support everything | Feb 08 12:16 |
| cubezzz | and they really try hard to do that | Feb 08 12:16 |
| cubezzz | some person wants to use Ubuntu, fine | Feb 08 12:17 |
| cubezzz | better than doze at least | Feb 08 12:17 |
| sebsebseb | if you don't like Ubuntu much well that's your choice cubezzz and if as a result you don't help people with Ubuntu again your choice. However some/many of us will help people with Ubuntu, beause it's a nice and good thing to do, but also since maybe it will make a bit of a difference some how. Do something that goes against the Windows market share. If they go down to about 60% Windows should imrpove quite a bit. | Feb 08 12:17 |
| cubezzz | well I like Ubuntu more than doze :) | Feb 08 12:18 |
| cubezzz | it's a matter of degree | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | I started typing that before the doze thing | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | some people use Linux, because they want freedom | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | they care about freedom, they want freedom to succedd | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | e | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | a lot | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | even if it meant Linux fails | Feb 08 12:18 |
| sebsebseb | what are you guys? | Feb 08 12:19 |
| sebsebseb | Do you want software freedom to be much more of a success, even if it meant Linux failed? | Feb 08 12:19 |
| cubezzz | Freedom is important | Feb 08 12:20 |
| cubezzz | but I don't see it as an either/or proposition | Feb 08 12:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I don't know how you do it, it seems you go on loads of links pretty much every day, as well as type stuff for your blog. I am finding it hard to keep up to date with all the Linux news I want to read, and I got quite a lot of time at the moment really. | Feb 08 12:21 |
| sebsebseb | news, well blog entries, and such as well, not just news | Feb 08 12:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Ebooks and printed books. Publisher on radio says printing books small part of cost of book, says nothing about drm and licences for ebooks. | Feb 08 12:22 | |
| cubezzz | wow, this is more 2.4 stuff I got here | Feb 08 12:22 |
| sebsebseb | 2.4 ???? | Feb 08 12:22 |
| cubezzz | sebsebseb, I used to like Unix System V but I wouldn't touch it now | Feb 08 12:22 |
| cubezzz | same with Linux, if something a lot better came along, I'd probably switch to that | Feb 08 12:23 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ok uhmm I don't really know much about Unix, but why are you saying that? | Feb 08 12:23 |
| cubezzz | because it's a dead OS | Feb 08 12:23 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: well haiku it seems could become the thing that is much better | Feb 08 12:23 |
| cubezzz | dead OS = no developers | Feb 08 12:23 |
| cubezzz | same with AmigaDOS (although there's a few diehards still) | Feb 08 12:24 |
| sebsebseb | well Microsoft is getting a bit dead as well now days really, as in important people in the past, a lot of them have left | Feb 08 12:24 |
| sebsebseb | I read something about that earlier | Feb 08 12:24 |
| sebsebseb | well it was partly about that | Feb 08 12:24 |
| cubezzz | yes indeed | Feb 08 12:24 |
| cubezzz | they could die | Feb 08 12:24 |
| sebsebseb | well they need to support their later versions of Windows, untill they go end of life | Feb 08 12:25 |
| sebsebseb | and there will probably be another version of Windows in the next three years or so | Feb 08 12:25 |
| cubezzz | my router source code is 2.4 btw | Feb 08 12:26 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I don't understand what you mean by 2.4 | Feb 08 12:27 |
| sebsebseb | a version number for something? | Feb 08 12:27 |
| cubezzz | 2.4 Linux | Feb 08 12:27 |
| cubezzz | as opposed to 2.6 | Feb 08 12:27 |
| cubezzz | you know, uname.... | Feb 08 12:27 |
| sebsebseb | yeah uname -r | Feb 08 12:28 |
| sebsebseb | the kernel version | Feb 08 12:28 |
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| cubezzz | yes | Feb 08 12:28 |
| cubezzz | a lot of stuff is still 2.4 | Feb 08 12:28 |
| sebsebseb | well I am not sure why you started putting stuff about 2.4 | Feb 08 12:28 |
| sebsebseb | about/regarding 2.4 | Feb 08 12:29 |
| cubezzz | I was just remarking my router used 2.4, I just found the source code for it | Feb 08 12:29 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Feb 08 12:33 |
| schestowitz | The Ellison talk was great | Feb 08 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Just finished watching it... one hour | Feb 08 12:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What's that? | Feb 08 12:55 |
| sebsebseb | Oh I wonder why he decided to do an entry about this, oh right yeah I think I know why. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10443576-16.html | Feb 08 13:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Could open source abandon the Google train? | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 110.24 KB | Feb 08 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Ellison says Jobs is his "best friend" | Feb 08 13:07 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/044498.html | Feb 08 13:08 |
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| sebsebseb | Altough I think that article (without bothering to check) is just before he got the Canonical job | Feb 08 13:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Loses Another Vice President, Management Vacuum Alarms the Press http://ur1.ca/lsx2 The latest one to leave is Michael Golden: | Feb 08 13:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] For those that didn't know, the Broadmoor siren is pretty distinctive :) http://bit.ly/aWFNkH | Feb 08 13:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s #Newton Executive Negative About Apple’s Latest Attempts at a Shinier Newton http://ur1.ca/lsxy #ipad | Feb 08 13:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @minix3: Minix 3.1.6 is released! See http://www.minix3.org/download/ | Feb 08 13:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Minix 3.1.6 is a Live CD! | Feb 08 13:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Solaris 10 locked room mystery solved by @alexjs - zfs set mountpoint=legacy varpool, keep /usr on / . *pint* *pint* pint* | Feb 08 13:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #uksnow WC1 2/10 | Feb 08 13:36 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: reading some December articles/blog enteries now, anyway Boycott Novell get's mentioned in this one http://blogs.computerworld.com/15321/a_decade_of_linux | Feb 08 14:19 |
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| sebsebseb | oh I read this one before it turns out | Feb 08 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | or seems | Feb 08 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | yep read before | Feb 08 14:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysis of #Canonical ’s latest moves, which are being defended by some and severely criticised by others http://ur1.ca/lt9p #ubuntu | Feb 08 14:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu Perspectives: Signs of Change | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.04 KB | Feb 08 14:32 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz th eexodus at MSFT leaves a bad taste. Are they maybe "infiltrating" other corps and orgs? #conspiracy" "@jwildeboer yes, we wrote about their "entryism" too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism " | Feb 08 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: see the Canonical post | Feb 08 14:34 |
| schestowitz | I think it can answer some issues you raised earlier | Feb 08 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jfwhome.com/2009/11/12/fixing-the-too-low-notifications-in-ubuntu-karmic/ | Feb 08 14:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fixing the (too low) position of notifications in Ubuntu Karmic - JfwHome .::. Size~: 19.71 KB | Feb 08 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 08 14:56 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2010/1/31/122237/034 | Feb 08 15:05 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] QOTD: A hacker does for love what others would do for money - #hacker #culture | Feb 08 15:07 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: seems OK to me | Feb 08 15:10 |
| schestowitz | The notiification | Feb 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I thought the thing was a bug at first too | Feb 08 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz Open Office may not be actsaully going from the netbook version, I was reading about that earlier, it's just a blue print at the moment | Feb 08 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | a suggestion | Feb 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | I installed the patched one from that PPA | Feb 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 08 15:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's the diff between BRand Obama and GWB? | Feb 08 15:10 |
| schestowitz | The PR | Feb 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | fringe issues | Feb 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | the "red meat" policies are the same | Feb 08 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Cows mostly taste the same | Feb 08 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'd probably describe Bush and Obama as the same OS with different desktop wallpaper | Feb 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Obama inherits a lot of junk from GWB though | Feb 08 15:12 |
| MinceR | they mostly come at night... mostly. | Feb 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Clinton was one of the most violent prsidents ever | Feb 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Post WW2 | Feb 08 15:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: So Obama Starter Edition is at least predictable (can't change wallpaper) | Feb 08 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz ok read your entry, it's ok | Feb 08 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | links to a lot of stuff | Feb 08 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | Anyway I get the impression that quite a few of us that come here, aren't that sure about Ubuntu at the moment, and where it's heading | Feb 08 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I thought the can't change wallpaper deal was petty, even for Microsoft | Feb 08 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 08 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin about? | Feb 08 15:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ‘Cloud’ Falls Offline for a Quarter of a Day, #Zune ‘Cloud’ Deletes Music, Microsoft Shop Also Kaput http://ur1.ca/ltd1 | Feb 08 15:18 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they are confused | Feb 08 15:19 |
| schestowitz | They try to monetise Vista 7 thremes now | Feb 08 15:19 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: probably | Feb 08 15:19 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: hi! | Feb 08 15:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sebsebseb wants to ask you something | Feb 08 15:20 | |
| _goblin | BRB - Just putting out rubbish.....- Recycle of course! | Feb 08 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5048/screenshotbx.png | Feb 08 15:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Ubunt udoesn't have to look like ass B-) | Feb 08 15:24 |
| MinceR | duh | Feb 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | meh, they try to push indicator-crapplet and bad programs like Empathy | Feb 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | horrid themes | Feb 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | misaligned notifications :) | Feb 08 15:25 |
| MinceR | kubuntu fixes that :> | Feb 08 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I totally failed to get it to use gstreamer last time | Feb 08 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Feb 08 15:26 |
| _goblin | right back... | Feb 08 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Some things in GNOME and GNOME-ish software are coming together to where they work really well (for me anyway) and KDE isn't matching this | Feb 08 15:36 |
| MinceR | ...for you | Feb 08 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | I think GNOME is really taking off while KDE is more worried about how you can pin a Facebook crapplet to the desktop | Feb 08 15:37 |
| MinceR | gnome is taking off? that's new | Feb 08 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | (open a browser and type www.facebook.com, hit enter?) | Feb 08 15:37 |
| MinceR | oh, i know | Feb 08 15:38 |
| MinceR | "gnome is taking off" more options and menu items from your screen! | Feb 08 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference between a KDE crapplet and a Vista crapplet is the Vista ones somehow manage to suck worse because they're not only useless but many of them fail to do anything or crash the sidebar :D | Feb 08 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Why are they even wasting time implementing non-features to try to mock-up Vista and OS X? | Feb 08 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's just pointless cargo cult mentality that assumes if you implement all the stupid shit found in Mac and Windows, users will come | Feb 08 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | in the mean time there's like thousands of bugs affecting things real users care about | Feb 08 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | like Amarok not playing CDs until recently | Feb 08 15:40 |
| MinceR | i'm sure that an it makes a whole world of difference whether a feature you aren't using is there or not | Feb 08 15:41 |
| MinceR | s/ an / / | Feb 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's like KDE took the hose off the fire and went off to chase butterflies | Feb 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | it might not matter if it's just affecting me, but I fail to see how anyone is functioning in a system of such bloat that still misses features in every bundled application somehow | Feb 08 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | but hey, it plays CDs now and it *only* took them 2 years | Feb 08 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | *claps* | Feb 08 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 3.1 can play a CD, there's no excuse for Amarok to not be able to | Feb 08 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | that's just pitiful | Feb 08 15:43 |
| MinceR | indeed. so i'll just install Windows 3.1 as my audio player application | Feb 08 15:43 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Feb 08 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | media player in Windows 3.0 (1990) can play a CD | Feb 08 15:44 |
| MinceR | btw, Amarok isn't even part of the KDE Software Compilation, afaik | Feb 08 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, it's presented as such | Feb 08 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure there were programs on personal computers in the 1980s that could play a CD ;) | Feb 08 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | I seem to remember playing one in DOS | Feb 08 15:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I am aware of the different rhetorical uses of "illegal alien" and "undocumented person". But you should refrain from making up numbers like "60 mil" or "20 mil" "illegals" and then blaming them for the cuts to the space program. Which really just makes you look like the most ignorant American around. | Feb 08 15:47 |
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| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, If it wasn't for the food stamps alone for millions of illegals and their families, we'd fund the space program | Feb 08 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | what a lot of nonsense. | Feb 08 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | with change | Feb 08 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 08 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | who do you think is paying for your wars? | Feb 08 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | who paid for your bailouts? | Feb 08 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Chinese debt | Feb 08 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | the government already gave away my money to feed illegal aliens | Feb 08 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Feb 08 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | don't be stupid | Feb 08 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | the mexicans in the US are probably the group most divorced from the real causes of your bankrupt, corrupt, broken, dysfunctional society. | Feb 08 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | look higher. | Feb 08 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | payroll deductions to the IRS = feeding illegals, paying federal bureaucrats, and giving kickbacks to Obama's campaign financiers | Feb 08 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | or, as Eruaran would say: look in the mirror. | Feb 08 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | among other such worthy things as congressmen sending money back to refurbish an art museam in their district | Feb 08 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: soup kitchens are chump change. | Feb 08 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wars are not. | Feb 08 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | that only costs like $300,000 a pop | Feb 08 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: do some research | Feb 08 15:50 |
| MinceR | he can't handle the facts | Feb 08 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | my tax money that I pay out from Indiana is being spent to reward the stupidity in California with federal bailouts | Feb 08 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | fuck them | Feb 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | let them fucking figure it out | Feb 08 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: bailouts are part of the problem , yes! | Feb 08 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so focus on the real causes and tone down your absurd tirade against "mexicans" | Feb 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | my state didn't squander money, why do I have to pay for those jackasses that blew their budget? | Feb 08 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: who knwe taxes were good for something | Feb 08 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | knew* | Feb 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | my state is in a $2 billion surplus right now | Feb 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Why is my state doing fine? | Feb 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Why is California bankrupt? | Feb 08 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | liberal social programs to benefit moochers and illegal aliens are a part of that | Feb 08 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh? | Feb 08 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | what a load of tripe | Feb 08 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | California steals kids from their parents, not for being abused, because the parent verbally states that they don't approve of the kid being gay | Feb 08 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | your mexican residents are pretty much the only thing you have going for you | Feb 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | slaps them in a foster home where they can damned well be beaten and starved | Feb 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's what the liberals do | Feb 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | the liberals are so worried about being politically correct that they don't even worry about who they hurt and how much money they spend doing it | Feb 08 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's just as bad as lying about WMDs in Iraq | Feb 08 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: looks like bush/cheney destroyed two nations for the price of one. | Feb 08 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | You reach a point where you can | Feb 08 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go after that ruling class, they're fucking you over. | Feb 08 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | '*can't take any more taxes from working people | Feb 08 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: every which way | Feb 08 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | you can't subsidize freeloaders anymore | Feb 08 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and now you're bringing Palin/nutjob talking points in here | Feb 08 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | people just can't do it, the money isn't there | Feb 08 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there are no "freeloaders" | Feb 08 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's a right wing talking point | Feb 08 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: when you figure out who's really broken your society, you're gonna be pissed. hint: it's not "mexicans" | Feb 08 15:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Ali Dezsai gets sentenced to 4 years imprisoment. #corruption #police | Feb 08 15:57 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Dizaei, sorry. | Feb 08 15:57 | |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I'll simplify it for you. You have a family and that family has 2 people that can work, they have two kids, they do alright til grandma gets old and can't live on her own and they have to take care of her, then one of them loses their job, then the government comes in and wants to raise taxes on the only person still working so they can feed illegal aliens | Feb 08 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Those illegals should go find a fucking job or go back to Mexico | Feb 08 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: like I said. they are not the problem. you're imagining it. | Feb 08 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | how dare the government ask to bleed people who are already struggling more to feed people who have no legal right to be here | Feb 08 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexicans come here and they take work and leave Americans unemployed, and abuse hospital emergency rooms, and get on food stamps | Feb 08 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Feb 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | they're a net loss for society and they don't even bother to learn English | Feb 08 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOLLLLL | Feb 08 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | i love AMerican ignorant right wing xenophobic bullshit first thing in the morning. | Feb 08 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | Not. | Feb 08 16:00 |
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| DaemonFC | it costs thousands of dollars a year to subsidize each one of them | Feb 08 16:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I saw something the other day about Ubuntu possibly forming a deal with Amazon | Feb 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | to integrate the Amazon MP3 store somehow | Feb 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to laugh when Ubuntu starts shipping with fluendo mp3 to cover that | Feb 08 16:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Exploits the Taxpayers-Funded #NASA to Spread Silver Lie and Close Down #Research http://ur1.ca/lthv | Feb 08 16:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Still Exploits the Taxpayers-Funded NASA to Spread Silver Lie and Close Down Research | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.77 KB | Feb 08 16:12 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #nowplaying Mannipaaya - from #VTV (A.R Rahman, Shreya Ghoshal ) i love this song don't know why? :-) | Feb 08 16:32 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Open University to offer Linux course. http://is.gd/7WPYf | Feb 08 16:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: OU announces Linux course - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.89 KB | Feb 08 16:42 |
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| Ender2070 | FurnaceBoy +1 | Feb 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: +1 | Feb 08 16:45 |
| Ender2070 | ?? | Feb 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Feb 08 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | lol what did I do? | Feb 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I was hoping to start a chain of yes men | Feb 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | You modded FurnaceBoy up | Feb 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I modded you up for it | Feb 08 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 08 16:46 |
| schestowitz | nm | Feb 08 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 08 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | [10:55] <FurnaceBoy> i love AMerican ignorant right wing xenophobic bullshit first thing in the morning. | Feb 08 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, -47 | Feb 08 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | nyaaaaaaah | Feb 08 16:48 |
| Ender2070 | konversation will crash if I input your number | Feb 08 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | ill run out of ram | Feb 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | Kool | Feb 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | Kompletely awesome | Feb 08 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | :D | Feb 08 16:51 |
| Ender2070 | not everything starts with K anymore | Feb 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | sadly | Feb 08 16:51 |
| Ender2070 | they still got strong K consanants in some of their names though | Feb 08 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | KMincer | Feb 08 16:51 |
| Ender2070 | oKular, digikam | Feb 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | KDaemonFC | Feb 08 16:52 |
| *Ender2070 is now known as KEnder2070 | Feb 08 16:52 | |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | kender | Feb 08 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Kraptakular KDE Krapplets | Feb 08 16:52 |
| *KEnder2070 is now known as Kender4 | Feb 08 16:52 | |
| MinceR | GNOME LackOfFunctionality(tm) | Feb 08 16:53 |
| *sebsebseb is now known as ksebksebkseb | Feb 08 16:53 | |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kender | Feb 08 16:53 |
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| Kender4 | Hey DaemonFC - 2003 called, it just announced those Gnome features you're proud of | Feb 08 16:53 |
| ksebksebkseb | How about this one then? | Feb 08 16:53 |
| *DaemonFC directs MinceR to Devils Pie and gconf-editor | Feb 08 16:53 | |
| MinceR | which one of them has the option to disable bugs in compiz, btw? :> | Feb 08 16:54 |
| Kender4 | the fact it needs gconf-editor is sad | Feb 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 08 16:54 |
| ksebksebkseb | MincerR and kender4 like this name? | Feb 08 16:54 |
| Kender4 | miguel managed to copy registry-hell too | Feb 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | it's funny for now, ksebksebkseb | Feb 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | gconf-editor is not comparable to Regedit | Feb 08 16:54 |
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| MinceR | gnome-settings-daemon annoys me a lot more than gconf anyway | Feb 08 16:55 |
| Kender4 | well true, nobody can write as bad software as ms | Feb 08 16:55 |
| ksebksebkseb | probably should change back really before typing again in another channel I am in | Feb 08 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | regedit is much more confusing and likely to fuck over your system | Feb 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | /fnick DaemonFC GnomeSettingsDaemonFC | Feb 08 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | editing some Windows registry keys will cause a BSOD | Feb 08 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's actually a registry key you can set that allows you to hit a key combo and force a BSOD on purpose | Feb 08 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 08 16:56 |
| Kender4 | thats the funniest thing I think about when people tell me a BSOD means their pc has a short life left | Feb 08 16:56 |
| schestowitz | alien DaemonFOX.deb | Feb 08 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | set that key and use autohotkeys to put a BSOD on a timer | Feb 08 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | makes a great prank on your victim | Feb 08 16:56 |
| ksebksebkseb | ah ha Kender4 KDE 4 | Feb 08 16:56 |
| ksebksebkseb | I am more of a KDE 3 person myself, but really I am a Gnome person even though | Feb 08 16:56 |
| Kender4 | i went from kde3 to gnome 2 | Feb 08 16:57 |
| Kender4 | then gnome 2 to kde 4 | Feb 08 16:57 |
| ksebksebkseb | some Gnome stuff | Feb 08 16:57 |
| Kender4 | the problem is a lot of distros have broken kde4 | Feb 08 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | any of them shipping it | Feb 08 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 08 16:57 |
| MinceR | they've broken kde3 more, by not shipping it at all | Feb 08 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | Kan't play a CD | Feb 08 16:58 |
| Kender4 | i dont even want kde3 | Feb 08 16:58 |
| Kender4 | lol | Feb 08 16:58 |
| Kender4 | i got annoyed with the customization of it and font sizes | Feb 08 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora was the first one in, and they removed the KDE 3 from the repo immediately | Feb 08 16:58 |
| Kender4 | Fedora +1 | Feb 08 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | KDE users that did the upgrade were stuck on KDE 4.0.3 | Feb 08 16:59 |
| MinceR | ubuntu removed KDE3 before KDE4 became stable | Feb 08 16:59 |
| Kender4 | they have the best kde4 distro | Feb 08 16:59 |
| Kender4 | kubuntu makes people think something is wrong with kde | Feb 08 16:59 |
| Kender4 | pre-9.10 | Feb 08 16:59 |
| Kender4 | kubuntu 9.04 was a sad joke | Feb 08 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, KDE has never been that great on Debian anyway | Feb 08 17:00 |
| Kender4 | Debian takes longer to adapt the newer stuff | Feb 08 17:00 |
| Kender4 | I don't think they even support packagekit | Feb 08 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're usually a version or two behind on X or the kernel when they ship a release | Feb 08 17:01 |
| Kender4 | opensuse broke packagekit by using yast | Feb 08 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | the kernel in Lenny is so old it doesn't even support UVC webcams without being patched | Feb 08 17:01 |
| Kender4 | instead of kpackagekit | Feb 08 17:01 |
| Kender4 | the first thing I do on a debian install is replace the kernel | Feb 08 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | the packages in Debian are hysterically old | Feb 08 17:02 |
| Kender4 | i learned how to do that by having to do it a lot on Gentoo | Feb 08 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, for them to ship a release, they have to use stuff that's so old that nobody is still maintaining it | Feb 08 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous | Feb 08 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | use Ubuntu and make it easy on yourself | Feb 08 17:03 |
| Kender4 | their logic is sound | Feb 08 17:03 |
| Kender4 | the apps have been in their repo so long without bugs | Feb 08 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | Debian makes a horrible desktop unless your PC is ancient | Feb 08 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it would even boot on this PC | Feb 08 17:03 |
| Kender4 | i don't think very many people use a Debian desktop unless using something more risky than "stable" | Feb 08 17:04 |
| *ksebksebkseb is now known as ksebsebseb3 | Feb 08 17:04 | |
| Kender4 | I always hear about debian being used for servers | Feb 08 17:04 |
| *ksebsebseb3 is now known as Ksebsebseb3 | Feb 08 17:04 | |
| Ksebsebseb3 | Kender4 there we go | Feb 08 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mail-archive.com/ion-general@lists.berlios.de/msg01758.html | Feb 08 17:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook and #Microsoft Revisited; New Examples of Microsoft Entryism http://ur1.ca/ltla #cronyism #novell #redhat #lamp | Feb 08 17:09 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Facebook and Microsoft Revisited; New Examples of Microsoft Entryism | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.68 KB | Feb 08 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Debian | Feb 08 17:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Debian - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 46.37 KB | Feb 08 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | "Only "stable" software is included in the Debian core distribution. In Debian project parlance, the term stable means that the software is no longer under active development or widespread use and that the authors are long dead; if software is still under active development, it undergoes changes too rapidly for the Debian project to incorporate them. Due to pressure from users, obsolete versions of certain software that is stil | Feb 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | l under development may be included in the unstable section, but its use is broadly discouraged, since it does not strictly adhere to the project's guidelines, sometimes including software from after the Renaissance." | Feb 08 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | errr, whhooops | Feb 08 17:12 |
| MinceR | 175804 < DaemonFC> the packages in Debian are hysterically old | Feb 08 17:14 |
| MinceR | 2004 called, they want their news back | Feb 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They also want to know if they can have their Debian packages back when Squeeze ships | Feb 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | "Debianees will only answer your inquiry, however, if it is worded in a proper polite way. Here is a proper, polite way to ask for tech support." | Feb 08 17:19 |
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| DaemonFC | "OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!" | Feb 08 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 08 17:20 |
| MinceR | i'd answer such an inquiry with a ban | Feb 08 17:20 |
| Kender4 | sometimes you don't want things to simply work by clicking a button | Feb 08 17:20 |
| Kender4 | too many insecure defaults | Feb 08 17:21 |
| Kender4 | nobody in their right mind would use a windows server | Feb 08 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Command_Line | Feb 08 17:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Command Line - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.84 KB | Feb 08 17:24 |
| Kender4 | http://www.osnews.com/story/22843/Introducing_Pinta_a_Gtk_Clone_of_Paint_NET | Feb 08 17:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Introducing Pinta, a Gtk+ Clone of Paint.NET .::. Size~: 20.5 KB | Feb 08 17:25 |
| Kender4 | lol | Feb 08 17:25 |
| Kender4 | windows mobile 7 = no multi tasking | Feb 08 17:27 |
| Kender4 | LOL | Feb 08 17:27 |
| Kender4 | windows 3 could multi task, huge step backwards | Feb 08 17:27 |
| MinceR | it was only cooperative multitasking | Feb 08 17:28 |
| MinceR | (and so was macos 9) | Feb 08 17:28 |
| Kender4 | oh im aware | Feb 08 17:28 |
| Kender4 | it still allowed you to run more than one app at a time | Feb 08 17:28 |
| MinceR | even sinclair qdos could do preemptive multitasking | Feb 08 17:29 |
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| MinceR | didn't they remove the 3 app limit from vista7 starter? | Feb 08 17:29 |
| Kender4 | not sure | Feb 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | (though even if they did, the craptastic windows task scheduler remains|) | Feb 08 17:29 |
| MinceR | s/|// | Feb 08 17:29 |
| Kender4 | lol | Feb 08 17:29 |
| Kender4 | windows starter is a joke | Feb 08 17:29 |
| Kender4 | ms needs to learn that if they want to compete properly they need to stop imposing artificial restrictions | Feb 08 17:30 |
| Kender4 | CALs are an abomination | Feb 08 17:31 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Added my project #idea for @24camp http://24camp.org/Camp/13Feb2010 | Feb 08 17:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xbox 360 Still Under Many Lawsuits http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/08/xbox-360-many-lawsuits/ | Feb 08 17:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Xbox 360 Still Under Many Lawsuits | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.35 KB | Feb 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | [17:30] <Kender4> ms needs to learn that if they want to compete properly they need to stop imposing artificial restrictions | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | It's a tricky one | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Cause then you can't make people pay | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | The whole "open core" crowd | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | The OS is a commodity | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | So is news | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | And some books | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | As it ought to be | Feb 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Net made the abundant.. well, actually ABUNDANT | Feb 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Oracle and Apple move to sell hardware | Feb 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz | The talks from Oracle were illuminating | Feb 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Worth a watch | Feb 08 17:49 |
| MinceR | yet crApple still insists on broken proprietary sw | Feb 08 17:49 |
| MinceR | plus their hardware sucks too | Feb 08 17:49 |
| Kender4 | bill hicks is funny | Feb 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Foxconn rebadged? | Feb 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | If Apple h/w sucks, then Jobs should take his jet to China and demand more worker floggings | Feb 08 17:55 |
| Kender4 | he joked about when every president gets elected, the industrialists put him in a room and show him JFK assassination footage shot from the grassy knoll | Feb 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/168823/foxconn_hands_iphone_suicide_case_to_chinese_police.html | Feb 08 17:56 |
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| MinceR | i'm not sure if all of it is Foxconn | Feb 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Feb 08 17:56 |
| MinceR | and whether Foxconn adheres to different standards of quality under the crApple badge than otherwise | Feb 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Not the apple-shaped plastic | Feb 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Feb 08 17:57 |
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| MinceR | then of course there's the useless but untested and dangerous gimmicks they put only in crApple products | Feb 08 17:57 |
| MinceR | like the MagUnsafe connector which likes to melt | Feb 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Yikes. | Feb 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Cambodia land mines... http://www.iddcconsortium.net/joomla/images/IDDC/pictures/HI/mine_victim_cambodia.jpg | Feb 08 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | Prince Diana had some expedition clean those up | Feb 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, it was US mine they tossed there for good emasure | Feb 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | *mines | Feb 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I can't imagine having to walk in a field not knowing when the ground will explode below me... human stupidity | Feb 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | So easy to deploy mine, so hard to remove, long after wars even | Feb 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geekologie.com/2007/09/27/apple-mailbox.jpg | Feb 08 17:59 |
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| Kender4 | Prince Diana? | Feb 08 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Nick: Windows Executive Mike Nash to Leave Microsoft http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/windows_executive_mike_nash_to_leave_microsoft.html | Feb 08 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Kender4: cess | Feb 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | http://dailybail.com/headlines/ratigan-goldman-sachs-robbing-and-thieving-the-american-suck.html | Feb 08 18:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ratigan: Goldman Sachs -- Robbing and Thieving The American Sucker Once Again (VIDEO) - Latest Headlines - The Daily Bail .::. Size~: 69.03 KB | Feb 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/business/07goldman.html | Feb 08 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | Neat! http://www.ekaaty.org/v4/index.php/component/content/34?task=view | Feb 08 18:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Question about software patents via the backdoor of a central patent court in the hearing of Neelie Kroes (see page 12): http://i5.be/arQ | Feb 08 18:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fascinating new work from IBM http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10448029-76.html | Feb 08 18:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/42971 | Feb 08 18:44 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: LinuxCertified Laptop – a review, and a side plug for Linux, and Mint! | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 30.46 KB | Feb 08 18:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | The Ubuntu App Store's Elephant In The Room | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzfyf8f | Feb 08 18:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Oink.CD – Oink’s Pink Palace Part Two http://bit.ly/dsKEYk | Feb 08 18:50 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/mobile/open-source-symbian-not-enough | Feb 08 19:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open source Symbian not enough | Mobile news | TechEye - All the technology news unfit for print .::. Size~: 19.69 KB | Feb 08 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Hey, trmanco | Feb 08 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Happy birthday | Feb 08 19:07 |
| trmanco | oh hey | Feb 08 19:08 |
| trmanco | thanks schestowitz | Feb 08 19:08 |
| trmanco | it's tomorrow though | Feb 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I observed the stars and it said today's the day | Feb 08 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Stupid stars | Feb 08 19:08 |
| trmanco | LOOL | Feb 08 19:09 |
| trmanco | looks like one wasnt in the right place | Feb 08 19:09 |
| *schestowitz goes smashing a star | Feb 08 19:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/11097_WebKit_still_receiving_contrib.php | Feb 08 19:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: WebKit still receiving contributions from Nokia, Apple, Google and Rim .::. Size~: 15.45 KB | Feb 08 19:09 |
| *schestowitz wait for webkit option in ff | Feb 08 19:10 | |
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| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/372566/c6b2b1a43f53f197/ | Feb 08 19:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HTML5 video element codec debate reignited [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 78.04 KB | Feb 08 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/02/04/moonlight_three/ | Feb 08 19:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I think y'all should try to "wean" Bachmann off her salary and see how she likes that. | Feb 08 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.cphpost.dk/business/business/48148-state-dumps-microsoft.html | Feb 08 19:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #uksnow E17 5/10 | Feb 08 19:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia blog: Link pile. http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2010/02/08/link-pile/ | Feb 08 19:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: David Gerard » Blog Archive » Link pile. .::. Size~: 10.85 KB | Feb 08 19:26 |
| schestowitz | KMinceR: http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/33377 | Feb 08 19:27 |
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| MinceR | they mandated open standards, not open source software | Feb 08 19:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Broken Xmas mp3 back! Known hardware problem, apparently. New one working so far, even plays Oggs! :-D \o/ | Feb 08 19:34 | |
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| schestowitz | This headline confused me for a few seconds: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Canonical-CodePlex-Foundation-Announce-New-Leadership-118288/ | Feb 08 19:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canonical, CodePlex Foundation Announce New Leadership - Linux and Open Source from eWeek .::. Size~: 110.35 KB | Feb 08 19:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A GIMP replacement? – Popping down the pub for a “Pinta” with Novell? http://tinyurl.com/y8lae9a #microsoft #novell #linux #foss #gimp | Feb 08 19:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A GIMP replacement? Popping down the pub for a Pinta with Novell? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 36.37 KB | Feb 08 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://news.brunei.fm/2010/02/06/u-s-prevents-cuba-from-accessing-open-source-projects/ | Feb 08 19:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: U.S. PREVENTS CUBA FROM ACCESSING OPEN SOURCE PROJECTS | Brunei NEWS, Brunei HEADLINES from Brunei fm .::. Size~: 83.45 KB | Feb 08 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Obama for Peace(E) | Feb 08 19:50 |
| _goblin | yeah....and Ballmer loves FOSS. | Feb 08 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I didn't know Novell made this Trojan | Feb 08 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | Embrace and Extend, I guess | Feb 08 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Linux is almost here | Feb 08 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Chef Ballmer doesn't like the taste of Linux | Feb 08 19:54 |
| _goblin | yeah.... | Feb 08 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Need more .NET in that Pinta | Feb 08 19:54 |
| _goblin | Pinta is written by a chap who appears to be Novell employee | Feb 08 19:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New from Zazz: http://everyoneindalstonisweird.tumblr.com/ | Feb 08 19:55 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Everyone in Dalston is Weird. .::. Size~: 22.49 KB | Feb 08 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is fortifying a Linux is can recommend, with software patent tax and .NET | Feb 08 19:55 |
| _goblin | It seems if people won't use Mono to make apps, Novell will have to do it for them......so much for this "gift to the world" | Feb 08 19:55 |
| _goblin | I thinks its a "gift to the world" in the same way the atom bomb was. | Feb 08 19:56 |
| _goblin | *think | Feb 08 19:56 |
| shreddar | Just what open source needs "illegal operation" dialogs. | Feb 08 19:57 |
| _goblin | Im looking forward to a good BSOD....in Ubuntu's case a Brown Screen of Death | Feb 08 19:57 |
| shreddar | I can't wait for clippy to come here aswell. | Feb 08 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/development/8FC32A7B611E877ACC2576C30068FAA9 | Feb 08 20:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Computerworld > Open source means freedom from 'anti-features' .::. Size~: 21.55 KB | Feb 08 20:04 |
| schestowitz | It should say "free source" | Feb 08 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Not "open source" | Feb 08 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Then it may be more trivial an inference | Feb 08 20:04 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: brown SOD :-) | Feb 08 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft made black ones too | Feb 08 20:05 |
| MinceR | "free software", actually :> | Feb 08 20:09 |
| shreddar | I still wonder why richard went with free software instead of the less ambiguous *freedom software. | Feb 08 20:10 |
| MinceR | freedom isn't an adjective | Feb 08 20:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] "Mono a "gift" to the world"... Can we give it back? | Feb 08 20:14 | |
| shreddar | OK I guess that makes some sense. | Feb 08 20:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst In my opinion the Mono is a "gift to the world" in the same way the Atom Bomb was.... ;) | Feb 08 20:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst and yes, I'd like to give it back....Marty do you have the receipt? we can get a refund! ;) | Feb 08 20:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.thinq.co.uk/news/2010/2/8/firefox-add-ons-infected/ | Feb 08 20:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Stand by for the "Mono hater" or "Killing the FOSS" comments because I dare to give MY opinion on Mono. #mono #foss #linux #gnu #microsoft | Feb 08 20:19 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, sllip | Feb 08 20:19 |
| shreddar | I wonder B-surf will be the default browser in Ubuntu 10.10 | Feb 08 20:21 |
| shreddar | I'm sorry that was a lame joke. Besides W-surf would've made more sense. | Feb 08 20:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another exec exits #Alfresco after the company leaves #GPL http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/02/prweb3559904.htm | Feb 08 20:25 | |
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| MinceR | i wonder if there's a mono-based web browser | Feb 08 20:25 |
| MinceR | they could put that in and remove firefox | Feb 08 20:26 |
| _goblin | Mono - Theres an app for that! | Feb 08 20:26 |
| _goblin | make anything you want in a few lines of code..........allegedly | Feb 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | maybe they could talk m$ into implementing ie10 on top of .net/mono | Feb 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | and then they could use that | Feb 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | no need to tweak it to use bingo by default :> | Feb 08 20:28 |
| shreddar | I'm confused is the yahoo thing because of firefox or ubuntu? | Feb 08 20:28 |
| MinceR | ubuntu | Feb 08 20:28 |
| MinceR | afaik the mozilla foundation isn't dealing with yahoo/m$ | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | yep use Bingo, Mono.....its all good and soooooooooooooo simple.... | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | public class MyForm : Form{ | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | void btn1_onclick(object sender, EventArgs e) | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | { | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | make = best ever app that everyone will want and forget its based on Microsoft Tech. | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | } | Feb 08 20:29 |
| shreddar | How can ubuntu still use firefox trademarks then? | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | will they? | Feb 08 20:29 |
| MinceR | dunno | Feb 08 20:29 |
| _goblin | I thought it would be forked. | Feb 08 20:29 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll be forced to give the mozilla foundation a cut of the deal | Feb 08 20:30 |
| schestowitz | They call it..... bastardFox | Feb 08 20:30 |
| MinceR | or it will be rebranded as "Canonical Internet Explorer" | Feb 08 20:30 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/02/08/open-source-disk-tool-ultradefrag-hits-version-4-0/ | Feb 08 20:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open source disk tool UltraDefrag hits version 4.0 .::. Size~: 71.36 KB | Feb 08 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Wow! It's open source! | Feb 08 20:30 |
| _goblin | Why not fork FF and call it = Canonical Replacment Application Package (or CRAP for short) | Feb 08 20:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 08 20:32 |
| shreddar | if anything they'll probably just use IceWeasel like Debian but then people be "[WTF is IceWeasel I want Firefox!]" | Feb 08 20:33 |
| _goblin | or how about = Canonicals Ubuntu Net Technology...........I won't shorten that one for obvious reasons. | Feb 08 20:33 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 08 20:33 |
| shreddar | This remindes me of all those jokes about the iPad. | Feb 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | hygienics tablet | Feb 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Please. | Feb 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Don't say pad... it's vulgar :-) | Feb 08 20:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 08 20:38 |
| shreddar | iFeelconfident | Feb 08 20:38 |
| MinceR | moar liek iFeelSmug, amirite? | Feb 08 20:39 |
| MinceR | or iHaveMoreMoneyThanSense | Feb 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8500876.stm | Feb 08 20:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 93.7 KB | Feb 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | EFF still fights one patent at a time. Pffffffff...... http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/020610-patent-office-to-review-voip.html | Feb 08 20:40 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I'll tell you one that always makes me laugh.......Notice of Intended Prosecution.......its fine until you get more than one and shorten it..... | Feb 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.... slashflop is boosting Microsoft http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/0059233/An-Interview-With-F-Creator-Don-Syme | Feb 08 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/07/silicon-valley-you%E2%80%99ve-got-a-gender-problem-and-some-of-your-vc%E2%80%99s-still-live-in-the-past/ | Feb 08 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Arringballmer | Feb 08 20:43 |
| trmanco | cya later | Feb 08 20:44 |
| trmanco | so, KDE SC 4.4 is coming out tomorrow | Feb 08 20:44 |
| trmanco | :P | Feb 08 20:44 |
| trmanco | thr 9th, right? | Feb 08 20:44 |
| trmanco | the* | Feb 08 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | Asay will be happy about this: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/02/08/151240/Mozilla-Puts-Tiger-Out-to-Pasture | Feb 08 20:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Apple Story | Mozilla Puts Tiger Out to Pasture .::. Size~: 162.78 KB | Feb 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | As the saying at Asay's household might go, "I must use Ubuntu at work... then I use Mac at home" | Feb 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | With SAFARI!!! | Feb 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't even use Firefox and Thunderbird | Feb 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I hope he'll wake up | Feb 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | He also use MS Office on the Mac | Feb 08 20:47 |
| shreddar | unreserved software | Feb 08 20:47 |
| schestowitz | While ridiculting in public OOo | Feb 08 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe they made him COO | Feb 08 20:47 |
| MinceR | i hope he'll be discredited and ridiculed | Feb 08 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Yet I don't want to insult him | Feb 08 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: because of you | Feb 08 20:47 |
| shreddar | or unrestricted software | Feb 08 20:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he was... at The Source | Feb 08 20:48 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Feb 08 20:48 |
| schestowitz | KMinceR: read this: http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/matt-asay-joins-canonical/ | Feb 08 20:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Matt Asay joins Canonical « The Source.com .::. Size~: 33.32 KB | Feb 08 20:48 |
| schestowitz | "Finally, I expect any dissent from the community will be – in time-tested Ubuntu Forums tradition – heavily moderated and restricted to the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’." | Feb 08 20:49 |
| schestowitz | In UF you can't criticse Mono | Feb 08 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | That's why mono-nono.com was born | Feb 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They pissed Jason off | Feb 08 20:50 |
| zoobab | hi | Feb 08 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | If someone wants a quick route to another gnome distro, which one would you recommend to people | Feb 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Hey, zoobab | Feb 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Kender4 tired Mandriva 2010 | Feb 08 20:51 |
| schestowitz | *tried | Feb 08 20:51 |
| shreddar | sabayon Gnome disk | Feb 08 20:51 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: good article | Feb 08 20:51 |
| Traveler123 | what do people make of the rumor that Google would but Cononical? Have anthing to do with ubuntu droping OO.o for google apps? | Feb 08 20:51 |
| schestowitz | yes | Feb 08 20:51 |
| Traveler123 | but=buy | Feb 08 20:51 |
| shreddar | but = buy? | Feb 08 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Make sense except the Bong[sic] part | Feb 08 20:52 |
| schestowitz | And Mac Asay promotes Bong | Feb 08 20:52 |
| schestowitz | ...Defends it rather | Feb 08 20:52 |
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| schestowitz | He thinks we should legalise bong | Feb 08 20:52 |
| *schestowitz puffs | Feb 08 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | pffffffff.... | Feb 08 20:52 |
| shreddar | I wonder if there'll be a monofree fork of Gnome. | Feb 08 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590902/play-pre-sales-nexus-one | Feb 08 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/020610-patent-office-to-review-voip.html http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/02/05 | Feb 08 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Patent Office Grants EFF Request for Reexamination of Dangerous VOIP Patent | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 13.01 KB | Feb 08 20:56 |
| schestowitz | "Fighting patents one by one will never eliminate the danger of software patents, any more than swatting mosquitoes will eliminate malaria." -Richard Stallman | Feb 08 20:56 |
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| Kender4 | [15:46] <schestowitz> If someone wants a quick route to another gnome distro, which one would you recommend to people | Feb 08 20:58 |
| Kender4 | Fedora | Feb 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I thought it might be it | Feb 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | They don't unsell | Feb 08 20:58 |
| Kender4 | mono-free too | Feb 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | *upsell | Feb 08 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I know | Feb 08 20:58 |
| shreddar | uninhibited software | Feb 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | But it makes Red Hat stronger | Feb 08 20:59 |
| Kender4 | yeah? | Feb 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | We need not to have the same company ruling servers and desktop | Feb 08 20:59 |
| Kender4 | they've lasted the longest, why not | Feb 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | absolute power corrupts absolutely | Feb 08 20:59 |
| Kender4 | and they'll never rule both | Feb 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Pardus is nice | Feb 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll try it next... maybe mention it to mates | Feb 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | They do KDE4 OK | Feb 08 21:00 |
| Kender4 | they can't have a monopoly because anyone can take their stuff and rebrand | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Their root issue is one they hopefully got around to fixing | Feb 08 21:00 |
| Kender4 | Fedora does KDE4 the best imo, every distro I've tried | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Mint does well | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Better than Ubuntu in reviews | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | No brown | Feb 08 21:00 |
| Kender4 | Mint is slow | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | more blobs | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | BUT!! | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | More Mono1!! | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | gnome-don't | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | The KDE side looks OK | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | v8 just released | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | 2 days ago IIRC | Feb 08 21:00 |
| Kender4 | they're really slow @ kde | Feb 08 21:00 |
| Kender4 | I looked into it | Feb 08 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Feb 08 21:01 |
| Kender4 | so far fedora and kubuntu are best in my books | Feb 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Trmanco sez kde 4.4 is out manana | Feb 08 21:01 |
| Kender4 | kubuntu 9.10 was a huge improvement over their previous efforts | Feb 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh, yeah.. Kubuntu | Feb 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | It also won't point to Mahoo! | Feb 08 21:01 |
| Kender4 | yeah! | Feb 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we can help Kubuntu | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | And maybe MarkS will fulfil the promise of seriously considering KDE.. | Feb 08 21:02 |
| Kender4 | kubuntu has knetworkmanager, fedora still uses the one redhat made | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Though Ubuntu invested too much in GNOME GUIs | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Manuals... | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | etc. | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's a simple one though | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Take existing Frotn end | Feb 08 21:02 |
| Kender4 | fedora's core system I like a lot more than ubuntus | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | rewrap in Qt | Feb 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | There are tools to make that easier | Feb 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | But there is no one-to-one mapping | Feb 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Opensusre has yast2 | Feb 08 21:03 |
| Kender4 | selinux, policykit, packagekit (with kpackagekit), yum w/ presto (deltas), PROPER pulseaudio, networkmanager | Feb 08 21:03 |
| _goblin | Im considering moving to Elive on my main rig.... | Feb 08 21:04 |
| _goblin | fantastic distro and it appears Wolvix has halted dev.... | Feb 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-10445862-76.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Feb 08 21:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google gives millions of dollars in research awards | Cutting Edge - CNET News .::. Size~: 75.45 KB | Feb 08 21:04 |
| Kender4 | fedora is the only distro other than arch which I know of that has the latest Xorg | Feb 08 21:05 |
| Kender4 | or did when it released | Feb 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: wolvix can always come back and use the latest packages | Feb 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Wolvix is still being developed | Feb 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Just not packaged | Feb 08 21:05 |
| Kender4 | ubuntu is using a slightly newer xorg than what shipped with f11 | Feb 08 21:05 |
| shreddar | Hey have you guys seen this? | Feb 08 21:05 |
| shreddar | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000049-264.html | Feb 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | That's the nice thing about FS | Feb 08 21:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google seeks to patent new Web app tech | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 64.01 KB | Feb 08 21:05 |
| schestowitz | yes | Feb 08 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Google is a parasite when it comes to swpat | Feb 08 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Not news | Feb 08 21:06 |
| Kender4 | same w/ novell :) | Feb 08 21:06 |
| Kender4 | swpats = success | Feb 08 21:06 |
| schestowitz | "Loooooooook me me!!!!!1 I'm like SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO innvative!!" | Feb 08 21:06 |
| _goblin | Yeah....but I am being drawn by Enlightenment DE | Feb 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Ellison bragged about Sun's patent portfolio | Feb 08 21:07 |
| Kender4 | _goblin - I heard E17 comes with Duke Nukem Forever..... | Feb 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | They care about bits of paper, not code | Feb 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | They pay millions for a 'company', which is just a set of papers | Feb 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | "inventions" | Feb 08 21:07 |
| shreddar | My favorite DE so far is XFCE /w Compiz + Cairo-dock | Feb 08 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft invented the internets... that's why it could code^H^H^H^Hsteal IE | Feb 08 21:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] French Member of Parliament wants to remove encrypted traffic on the Internet, aims to filter HTTPS/SSL/VPN/TLS traffic: http://i5.be/arT | Feb 08 21:09 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amendement N° 294 (Sort indéfini) .::. Size~: 11.66 KB | Feb 08 21:09 |
| Kender4 | shredder - I prefer kwin | Feb 08 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Gr......... "cloud".... http://www.itworld.com/networking/95188/cloud-may-not-be-internet | Feb 08 21:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The cloud may not be the Internet | ITworld .::. Size~: 98.88 KB | Feb 08 21:10 |
| shreddar | I prefer to have my desktop be integrated with the apps I use so for now that me I'm using GTK based DE's. | Feb 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if those journalists are literate with computers at all | Feb 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | They see one journo saying "cloud", then repeat it w/ the PR people | Feb 08 21:11 |
| Kender4 | shredder - me too, except with Qt apps :) | Feb 08 21:11 |
| Kender4 | im hoping mozilla accepts the Qt file dialog stuff OpenSUSE created | Feb 08 21:12 |
| shreddar | Qt file dialog stuff ? | Feb 08 21:12 |
| Kender4 | yes | Feb 08 21:12 |
| Kender4 | well KDE file dialog stuff | Feb 08 21:12 |
| shreddar | Link? | Feb 08 21:12 |
| Kender4 | http://www.pwnage.ca/review_pics/opensuse112_4.png | Feb 08 21:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 08 21:13 |
| Kender4 | thats a screenshot of it | Feb 08 21:13 |
| _goblin | shreddar: Xfce is a great DE....Im using it on my main rig at the mo. | Feb 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Kender4: same as kubuntu, no? | Feb 08 21:14 |
| shreddar | it look like they might be using KGTK. | Feb 08 21:14 |
| Kender4 | they might be using that too | Feb 08 21:14 |
| Kender4 | kubuntu might have the same firefox patches | Feb 08 21:14 |
| Kender4 | KGTK doesnt do that though | Feb 08 21:15 |
| Kender4 | doesnt give you access to KIO | Feb 08 21:15 |
| Kender4 | if you add network places to dolphin, you can use them in firefox | Feb 08 21:15 |
| shreddar | I've been keeping a eye on rekonq. | Feb 08 21:16 |
| Kender4 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIO | Feb 08 21:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KIO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.24 KB | Feb 08 21:16 |
| Kender4 | same but it seems Arora is more active | Feb 08 21:16 |
| Kender4 | Arora has adblock and flashclick | Feb 08 21:17 |
| _goblin | seen a rather good, simple gfx app.... | Feb 08 21:17 |
| _goblin | digikam.... | Feb 08 21:17 |
| Kender4 | I love apps which use KIO though | Feb 08 21:18 |
| _goblin | far better than pinta. | Feb 08 21:18 |
| _goblin | at least it doesn't eat up ram. | Feb 08 21:18 |
| Kender4 | with KIO you can save from your browser directly to some other server | Feb 08 21:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Can battlefield robots take the place of soldiers? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8495946.stm What can possibly go wrong? | Feb 08 21:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Kender4: yes, over sftp | Feb 08 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2010/012710-ubuntu-punts-google-for.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news | Feb 08 21:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu punts Google for Yahoo - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 35.56 KB | Feb 08 21:19 |
| Kender4 | sftp, ftp, samba, anything kio supports | Feb 08 21:19 |
| shreddar | Remindes me of the surrogates | Feb 08 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Google punts Mac Say for Shuttleworth | Feb 08 21:20 |
| Kender4 | or avatar | Feb 08 21:20 |
| shreddar | or Toys | Feb 08 21:20 |
| Kender4 | i haven't seen Toys in like 20 years | Feb 08 21:21 |
| Kender4 | almost 20 years | Feb 08 21:21 |
| Kender4 | seems like it could be predictive programming too | Feb 08 21:22 |
| schestowitz | We can always trust the CNN for nuclear propaganda against Iran. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/03/iran.space.satellites/index.html | Feb 08 21:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Iran claims launch of turtles, rodent into space - CNN.com .::. Size~: 46.17 KB | Feb 08 21:23 |
| Kender4 | lol | Feb 08 21:24 |
| schestowitz | The Soviets put a monkey up there | Feb 08 21:25 |
| Kender4 | oh yeah | Feb 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure that enough humans would happily go to space without returning... in the name of science | Feb 08 21:26 |
| Kender4 | everyone should check out a documentary | Feb 08 21:26 |
| Kender4 | its called "The Soviet Story" | Feb 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, that CNN article smacks of propaganda... it stinks | Feb 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz | It implies Iran is rats and "Worms" | Feb 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Like they are backward science | Feb 08 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I once knew a guy via WOrdPress devs... someone who did ballistic stuff in iran | Feb 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I knew another through MATLAB development community | Feb 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | The US needs to turn ALL warheads to energy, over time | Feb 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it's hypocrisy | Feb 08 21:27 |
| schestowitz | It's the only country that ever attacked with nukes | Feb 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And it GIVES reasons for other to have it | Feb 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Soviets would never have any of the Germans and the US didn't start this race... | Feb 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | WW2 | Feb 08 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://mobility.cbronline.com/news/nokia_to_revamp_salo_plant_plans_285_job_cuts_080210 | Feb 08 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cbronline.com/news/juniper_unveils_silicon_to_upgrade_t_series_core_routers_100204 | Feb 08 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if they'll move things to Windows now that they have been taken over by Microsoft execs | Feb 08 21:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows 7 freezes – Don’t worry, “its not major” http://tinyurl.com/yj5eqtb - Thanks CW! #microsoft #windows #bsod #xp #vista #windows7 | Feb 08 21:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows 7 freezes Dont worry, its not major « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 30.16 KB | Feb 08 21:32 |
| shreddar | I wonder if Richard realizes the issue with software patents is bigger than just software. | Feb 08 21:35 |
| shreddar | I seem the same thing happening in the software industry has happened repeatedly in every other industries for centuries now. | Feb 08 21:37 |
| *schestowitz launches Stellarium for some astronomy pr0n | Feb 08 21:39 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590887/windows-stability-issues | Feb 08 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-RTM-USB-Data-Transfer-Issues-on-PCs-with-Nvidia-USB-EHCI-Chipsets-134084.shtml | Feb 08 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: it's not a big deal | Feb 08 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Not many people use Vista 7 anyway | Feb 08 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9153638/Windows_7_stability_update_makes_PCs_unstable_users_report | Feb 08 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just faking sales numbers | Feb 08 21:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows 7 stability update makes PCs unstable, users report .::. Size~: 130.85 KB | Feb 08 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Vista was the same story | Feb 08 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Criticism suppressed until it messed up royally | Feb 08 21:43 |
| schestowitz | bad patches making machines unbootable | Feb 08 21:43 |
| _goblin | its just a shame that people have to be suckered out of cash in the process... | Feb 08 21:43 |
| _goblin | Ubuntu 9.10 may have had a few issues for some, but atleast it didn't cost you anything to find out. | Feb 08 21:44 |
| shreddar | Consumer need more ways to find out about what they are getting. | Feb 08 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-02/msg00378.php | Feb 08 21:48 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Feb 08 21:48 |
| _goblin | Mandriva is the one distro I have not got on with at all. | Feb 08 21:48 |
| _goblin | Everytime Ive tried a release its been fraught with silly issues.... | Feb 08 21:49 |
| shreddar | Mandrake was my 1st distro. | Feb 08 21:49 |
| _goblin | a Elive/Fedora mix on my rigs is in order. | Feb 08 21:49 |
| shreddar | I loved it but it didn't work with my modem driver (they used 2.4 kernel.) | Feb 08 21:50 |
| _goblin | ah. | Feb 08 21:50 |
| schestowitz | What's up with this? http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/dell-dropping-its-ubuntu-offerings-243 | Feb 08 21:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell dropping its Ubuntu offerings? | Adventures in IT - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 69.02 KB | Feb 08 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://sourceforge.net/blog/some-good-news-sourceforge-removes-blanket-blocking/ | Feb 08 21:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Desktop Linux: Ready for the mainstream - http://tinyurl.com/ya8t22l #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #windows7 #linux #foss #gnu | Feb 08 21:53 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Desktop Linux: Ready for the mainstream | Open Source - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 109.6 KB | Feb 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | It was s silly idea to begin with | Feb 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | As if a Cuban couldn't get FOSS even more easily than an illegal copy of Office | Feb 08 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Those bans are insulting and ineffective | Feb 08 21:53 |
| shreddar | I heard Oracle wants to make a browser based OO.org | Feb 08 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Oracle doesn't need a browser | Feb 08 21:56 |
| shreddar | ? | Feb 08 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back to work tomorrow :( I do have a 3 day weekend coming up though (allegedly)....fingers crossed..... | Feb 08 21:57 | |
| _goblin | It looks like the MS machine has stopped gifting Mr Da Costa....... | Feb 08 22:00 |
| _goblin | no MS promotion for quite some time, even his "helpful hints" blog has not been updated.... | Feb 08 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | Poor ANdre... | Feb 08 22:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] A New Rant - Microsoft, Ubuntu, Canonical, Novell, and Mono http://bit.ly/dcodp0 | Feb 08 22:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: A New Rant Microsoft, Ubuntu, Canonical, Novell, and Mono « Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 23.19 KB | Feb 08 22:01 |
| _goblin | and I don't think Apple are interested either.....he's tried his luck with them..... | Feb 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Poor Andre | Feb 08 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't mean I mercy him | Feb 08 22:02 |
| _goblin | should I sent him a free Ubuntu disk? He loves freebies afterall. | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | He's just poor without all those gifts | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: heh | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | But it's just code | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Laptop he can eat | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | You can't let them eat Vista... | Feb 08 22:02 |
| _goblin | actually after seeing his "Michael Jackson" comments, I don't think I want him making comments on Linux...he'll damage it. | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | http://madhatter.ca/?p=241 | Feb 08 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | "I was reading Goblin’s latest post at OpenBytes. " | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | check it out, _goblin | Feb 08 22:02 |
| schestowitz | He's a BN regular | Feb 08 22:03 |
| _goblin | will do.... | Feb 08 22:03 |
| shreddar | but I thought he was missing a few... | Feb 08 22:03 |
| shreddar | couldn't resist | Feb 08 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft is in the same situation. They don’t have enough money to buy every software company on the planet. Hell, they probably don’t have money, period. Boycott Novell has been doing some research, and according to what they have seen Microsoft now appears to be in debt. One Microsoft shareholder compared Steve Ballmer, the President, to Bernie Madoff, the Ponzi scam artist." | Feb 08 22:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin heh. Take a look at my latest, it's a response to your post of about a week ago :) Yes, I'm running behind... | Feb 08 22:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] An excellent article! - A New Rant – Microsoft, Ubuntu, Canonical, Novell, and Mono - http://madhatter.ca/?p=241 #ubuntu #canonical #linux | Feb 08 22:06 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk2OQ | Feb 08 22:06 |
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| shreddar | A Windows version of Ubuntu One? | Feb 08 22:06 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/22842/Windows_Phone_7_No_Multitasking_Stricter_Microsoft_QA << Boy so Windows Phone 7 is going to sux compared to most other phones. Ie Linux and Nokia still prefered OS do multi tasking | Feb 08 22:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter Excellent response! I thought it was referring to my new one... .. Appreciated you would take the time to make that post. | Feb 08 22:10 | |
| MinceR | lol, m$ drops the only good thing about their mobile OS | Feb 08 22:11 |
| MinceR | or rather, the only two good things | Feb 08 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they try to be more like Apple | Feb 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | 1. Restrictive | Feb 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | 2. Dumb | Feb 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [no more than one process at a time | Feb 08 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Now they just need to come up wit a stupid name that starts with an "i" and put Ballmer in a pair of jeans | Feb 08 22:13 |
| MinceR | the article also says that you can only install apps from "official channels" | Feb 08 22:13 |
| MinceR | one more stupid limitation from crApple | Feb 08 22:13 |
| schestowitz | "I can it.... the iI" | Feb 08 22:13 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 08 22:13 |
| MinceR | iSpy with my little iEye something that begins with iI | Feb 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They learned from repos in Linux | Feb 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | But Linux allows other routes to installeing s/w | Feb 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Stephen Ballmer introduces.... the iFeelSoEvil | Feb 08 22:14 |
| shreddar | I know why apple did used the iPod OS instead of OSX. | Feb 08 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [bald ballmer makes mini-me pose] | Feb 08 22:15 |
| shreddar | To help their Application barrier to entry. | Feb 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | iKnowWhatYouDidLastSummer | Feb 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | iPe | Feb 08 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Pronounced i and silent p | Feb 08 22:16 |
| shreddar | + I guess power consumption and speed was a concern. | Feb 08 22:16 |
| MinceR | rather, the freedom of the users was a concern | Feb 08 22:16 |
| MinceR | can't let them do anything | Feb 08 22:17 |
| shreddar | But it oviouse that iPhone is more popular than iMac | Feb 08 22:17 |
| MinceR | that's because it costs less | Feb 08 22:17 |
| MinceR | and is more portable | Feb 08 22:17 |
| MinceR | so they can acquire and show off their cult membership more easily | Feb 08 22:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter BTW with your handle "Mad Hatter" I am sure, like me you are a Luton Town FC supporter..maybe youre a secret one? ;) | Feb 08 22:18 | |
| MinceR | plus more people use phones than general-purpose computers, especially the simpletons who'd buy into the cult | Feb 08 22:18 |
| shreddar | It's also simpler and has better 3rd party support. | Feb 08 22:18 |
| MinceR | yeah, simplicity is important | Feb 08 22:18 |
| _goblin | shreddar: I often "miss a few....." like your previous comment! ;) | Feb 08 22:18 |
| MinceR | for the people who can't tell their fingers from each other and so are more comfortable with the one-button mouse | Feb 08 22:19 |
| shreddar | Also they have way more control over iPhones than they do OSX. | Feb 08 22:19 |
| MinceR | 231218 < MinceR> rather, the freedom of the users was a concern | Feb 08 22:20 |
| MinceR | 231225 < MinceR> can't let them do anything | Feb 08 22:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 08 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Who is the big star destined for film/TV like The Rock?....TNA's Mr Anderson in my opinion, he has true presence. #wwe #tna #wrestling | Feb 08 22:22 | |
| _goblin | We need Omar here..... | Feb 08 22:22 |
| _goblin | this channel needs a little wrestling chat for a bit. | Feb 08 22:22 |
| MinceR | "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson." | Feb 08 22:22 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XszHaXxi3rU | Feb 08 22:23 |
| _goblin | How to kill BN chat 101 - Talk about wrestling. | Feb 08 22:27 |
| _goblin | Hope the shiller's never work that one out.... | Feb 08 22:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@saintpaul007 RT @Broadsnark Costa Rica Elects 1st Woman President http://j.mp/ckPA0R //unfortunately looks like the anti-environment pick | Feb 08 22:28 | |
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| shreddar | I wish Gnome and KDE would merge. | Feb 08 22:30 |
| shreddar | K-Fusion | Feb 08 22:31 |
| MinceR | _goblin: well, now that you said it here, they never will :> | Feb 08 22:31 |
| MinceR | shreddar: Knome or GDE? :> | Feb 08 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Really I wish not shreddar | Feb 08 22:31 |
| oiaohm | The disputes between Gnome and KDE over design have pushed the Linux interface forward. | Feb 08 22:32 |
| shreddar | Well I really just want GTK and QT to merge | Feb 08 22:32 |
| MinceR | i'd prefer to make them live together better | Feb 08 22:32 |
| oiaohm | Again unlikely to happen | Feb 08 22:33 |
| MinceR | and to make it easier to mix and match Gnome and KDE components (and other components) | Feb 08 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Best we can hope for is standards make them look the same ish. shreddar | Feb 08 22:33 |
| MinceR | they could use each other's rendering afaict | Feb 08 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Items like policykit and dbus have reduced differences in backends between Gnome and KDE. | Feb 08 22:34 |
| MinceR | now that Qt is LGPL, it can work in both ways | Feb 08 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Not as simple as it sounds. MinceR | Feb 08 22:34 |
| MinceR | there already is gtk-qt | Feb 08 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Dialogs in GTK are completely different design between them. | Feb 08 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie GTK vs QT dialogs | Feb 08 22:35 |
| oiaohm | For a long time to come GTK is always going to be slightly out of place on QT desktop and QT apps are going to be slightly out of place on a GTK one. | Feb 08 22:35 |
| MinceR | i can live with that | Feb 08 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Really a unified theming system would be better than each running each others engines. | Feb 08 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie less likely for incompadible issues when updates of the core libs happen. | Feb 08 22:37 |
| MinceR | that would be nice too | Feb 08 22:38 |
| shreddar | If they made a GTK version of Konqurer or Dolphin. That all I'd need. | Feb 08 22:38 |
| MinceR | something that appears as a theming engine for both and draws widgets as specified by its own themes | Feb 08 22:38 |
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| shreddar | Gonqurer | Feb 08 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC should read this about how his country treats *documented* workers http://peoplesworld.org/bush-officials-orchestrated-company-s-attacks-on-indian-guest-workers/ | Feb 08 22:39 |
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| oiaohm | shreddar: Not really possiable to port Konqurer or Dolphin to GTK | Feb 08 22:40 |
| oiaohm | shreddar: both support a lot of external application embeding. The code base you would have to convert is huge. shreddar | Feb 08 22:40 |
| shreddar | Well they could just make Nautilus as good. | Feb 08 22:41 |
| shreddar | Or Thunar | Feb 08 22:42 |
| MinceR | or ROX-Filer | Feb 08 22:42 |
| shreddar | Thunar-NG | Feb 08 22:43 |
| shreddar | reNaut | Feb 08 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3FJwuykNoc | Feb 08 22:45 |
| oiaohm | The reason why there is nothing else like them on other desktops its taken years to built the parts on QT required for alots of the features. schestowitz | Feb 08 22:45 |
| Kender4 | Qt > gtk | Feb 08 22:46 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: take a look at this, say what you think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4prqFlqepuU (What Is Morality?) | Feb 08 22:46 |
| oiaohm | Opps wrong s before. Sorry schestowitz I was meaning shreddar | Feb 08 22:47 |
| oiaohm | Why we are fat is a interesting one. I saw a study recently on thin people. | Feb 08 22:47 |
| oiaohm | Results were very interesting they basically could not get over weight and stay that way even if they wanted to. | Feb 08 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Part of the the study they were eating double the ammount of food they need and doing no physical activity. | Feb 08 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Yes they did gain weight. | Feb 08 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | why is who fat? | Feb 08 22:49 |
| oiaohm | One person was really intersting the result was all he gain was mussle no extra body fat. | Feb 08 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Yet mussle with no physical activity to create it. | Feb 08 22:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah but don't get near that guy with Kryptonite | Feb 08 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Really it turns out to be envormental when young combind with DNA. | Feb 08 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | urgh | Feb 08 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | where? | Feb 08 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | what culture are they examining? | Feb 08 22:51 |
| oiaohm | If you are going to be fat or not. | Feb 08 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | are we talking about American obesity? because that's due to their dominant culture. | Feb 08 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | elsewhere, sure, natural factors are more in play. | Feb 08 22:52 |
| oiaohm | No FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 22:52 |
| oiaohm | It the culture treatment of food around childern. | Feb 08 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, that's part of it. | Feb 08 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Its the only part. | Feb 08 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | in USA, cultural factors are basically dominant. | Feb 08 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | children who aren't taught to eat properly will eat badly their whole lives. | Feb 08 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Basically by the age of 2 your bodys perfered weight every stage for the rest of your life is set. | Feb 08 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | unfortunately, many parents in North America think it's acceptable to teach kids specifically to eat fast food. | Feb 08 22:53 |
| oiaohm | After that if you body is set to be overweight there is not much you can do about it. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh? | Feb 08 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure, but these predispositions are not relevant to discussions of obesity in the USA | Feb 08 22:54 |
| shreddar | Not all Americans are fat. Just those of us who can't afford good education or liposuction. | Feb 08 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Feb 08 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: but the rate of obesity is due to cultural factors | Feb 08 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Problem here FurnaceBoy. If you are under your bodies set weight you feel stavation. | Feb 08 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: and unfortunately some of those factors and attendant consequences are being exported | Feb 08 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Even if you are not staving. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: cultural, as you agreed above. | Feb 08 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the natural factors, predispositions, etc, are swamped by culture | Feb 08 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Now bad adult eating would basically do nothing. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: sure in a tiny minority | Feb 08 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Particular to some asian areas. | Feb 08 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: doesn't explain the majority | Feb 08 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Due to a DNA difference in some asian countries they don't put on fat. | Feb 08 22:56 |
| oiaohm | They just get more mussle. | Feb 08 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they should therefore be bred for meat! win-win! | Feb 08 22:56 |
| oiaohm | So no major risks to them over eating at all other than being majorly strong. | Feb 08 22:56 |
| oiaohm | It not just culture | Feb 08 22:56 |
| oiaohm | DNA is a very big factor. | Feb 08 22:57 |
| shreddar | I call BS on the DNA excuse | Feb 08 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Next is diabetes in mother before child birth. | Feb 08 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: well, all depends who you're talking about. | Feb 08 22:58 |
| oiaohm | That tricks the DNA that you are going stavation area. | Feb 08 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: obesity isn't a problem in most of the world | Feb 08 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: starvation is ... | Feb 08 22:58 |
| oiaohm | So raise body weight of person. | Feb 08 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it would be wonderful if children learned good eating. | Feb 08 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but they won't learn it from TV | Feb 08 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Notice USA has had high class 2 dibeites compared to everyone else for a long time. | Feb 08 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's much more profitable to sell you a Diet Coke than a tomato | Feb 08 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes. did you see "Food, Inc." ? | Feb 08 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: some of the causes of that epidemic are covered there | Feb 08 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: who knew that eating junk all the time was bad for you??? | Feb 08 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Class 2 dibeities is caused by being over weight. | Feb 08 23:00 |
| oiaohm | and other factors. | Feb 08 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Issue here its a multiplying problem. | Feb 08 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 08 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's systemic, top to bottom. | Feb 08 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's very profitable to sell food that will kill you | Feb 08 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Desexing all females with class 2 dibeities would reduce the population weight over time. | Feb 08 23:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Feb 08 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Even if you don't alter the food. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: go see "Food Inc" for a small insight into how systemic the issue is. | Feb 08 23:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you could start with subsidies for corn and soy | Feb 08 23:02 |
| oiaohm | I have seen it FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:02 |
| shreddar | Well if they could make a addictive food that's healthy for you I don't think it hurt business. | Feb 08 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: all of that crap has to be dismantled to have a hope of improving public health | Feb 08 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: good food has existed on the planet for as long as humans have existed | Feb 08 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: there is no need for innovation in food | Feb 08 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: we only need to eat what grows. the end. | Feb 08 23:02 |
| shreddar | addictive food not good food | Feb 08 23:02 |
| shreddar | addictive as in heroin | Feb 08 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: why pander to poor behaviours? just teach people what is good to eat, and make sure it's available. | Feb 08 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is where most of history location is. | Feb 08 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie people living in cold climents having extra fat is not a bad thing while food is limited. | Feb 08 23:03 |
| shreddar | I'm just point out the profitable part isn't the deadly factor but the addictive factor. | Feb 08 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: both | Feb 08 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Issue is not the addictive | Feb 08 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: it's no coincidence that sugar water is the most profitable. | Feb 08 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Issue is some of the chemicals in there that are posions. | Feb 08 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: no food value. the additives make it toxic, but it's pure profit. | Feb 08 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right | Feb 08 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: an under-appreciated fact | Feb 08 23:04 |
| oiaohm | And no food value. | Feb 08 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | but very very lucrative. | Feb 08 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is why nobody is changing the status quo. | Feb 08 23:05 |
| oiaohm | so a person can eat there fill but there body is still in stavation. | Feb 08 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the effects of aspartame multiply that effect | Feb 08 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: as you probably know | Feb 08 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: calorie deficit | Feb 08 23:05 |
| oiaohm | If that person is carring a child. The effect of being in stavation is that child will be over weight. | Feb 08 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: drives craving through well understood endocrine effects | Feb 08 23:05 |
| oiaohm | So its not the culture of food. | Feb 08 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Basically the USA population is staving in a sea of plenty. | Feb 08 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's not the right kind of plenty. | Feb 08 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's exactly the wrong kind | Feb 08 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people think it because USA people eat a lot they are overweight. | Feb 08 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the dominant culture teaches people that they should eat the worst foods available | Feb 08 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: hm? | Feb 08 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Its not the case. | Feb 08 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: have you been to the USA? | Feb 08 23:07 |
| oiaohm | How are the food the worst. | Feb 08 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there are a combination of factors involved int he USA's obesity problem | Feb 08 23:08 |
| oiaohm | If they were made from real items not manaffactured crap. | Feb 08 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: 1) ignorance 2) advertising 3) poor availability of good food 4) the bad food is cheaper .. and a few others. | Feb 08 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Most of the bad foods the USA people eat would not cause there bodys to think they are staving. | Feb 08 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes, obviously, if good food were available and people knew what was good to eat, the problem would not exist. | Feb 08 23:08 |
| oiaohm | The staving thing is critical. | Feb 08 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: also 5) lack of exercise | Feb 08 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Remember lack of exercise its dna dependant if you need to. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh? | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: no | Feb 08 23:09 |
| oiaohm | It is. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is cultural. it's a manufactured effect. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Some people cannot put on fat. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: sure, in a tiny minority, outside the USA. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is not relevant to the USA obesity issue. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: culture is | Feb 08 23:09 |
| oiaohm | That is set from birth. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: so? | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not relevant. | Feb 08 23:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the lack of exercise is cultural, manufactured situation. | Feb 08 23:10 |
| oiaohm | exercise is required heavly by those who body weight is set wrong. | Feb 08 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i am not sure you understand. | Feb 08 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you need to burn calories. | Feb 08 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the dominant (and required, by poor planning) USA lifestyle burns as few calories as possible. | Feb 08 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Ok if you body weight is set right. | Feb 08 23:10 |
| oiaohm | You try to eat too much you will be sick. | Feb 08 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you body is going to gain wieght more than what you body set value is you will not be able to eat it. | Feb 08 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Human body has lots of safe guards. | Feb 08 23:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yet they are all powerless in the face of these other factors. | Feb 08 23:12 |
| oiaohm | No. | Feb 08 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: those safeguards work only where people are behaving normally | Feb 08 23:12 |
| oiaohm | No. | Feb 08 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they're insignificant in the face of a culture designed to make them sick | Feb 08 23:12 |
| oiaohm | The safe guards only work if you born right. | Feb 08 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure | Feb 08 23:12 |
| oiaohm | They can work against you. | Feb 08 23:12 |
| oiaohm | If you body weight is set high. | Feb 08 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyway, the result of all these exceptions is that the vast majority eat badly and have health problems | Feb 08 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Your body will do everything to get there. | Feb 08 23:13 |
| oiaohm | This is a safe guard as well. | Feb 08 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Human body safe guards being tricked is causing very big problems. | Feb 08 23:13 |
| oiaohm | They are programmed by how much stavation your mother was facing. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is a tiny minority | Feb 08 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the point is that there are so many factors here, you have to address all of them. | Feb 08 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Now what do we do in responce to being over weight. | Feb 08 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: education. urban planning. media. food regulation. | Feb 08 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Diet. | Feb 08 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Ie self caused stavation. | Feb 08 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, | Feb 08 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | diet != self caused starvation | Feb 08 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | though most people think that's what it is. | Feb 08 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | any nutritionist will soon correct that misconception. | Feb 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | I was using what most people think it is. | Feb 08 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 08 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | sadly. | Feb 08 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | which just makes the problem worse | Feb 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Really kill of the self cause stavation and the problem will improve as well. | Feb 08 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically USA people need to stop tricking there DNA so the next generation stands a chance. | Feb 08 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: education. urban planning. media. food regulation. | Feb 08 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: none of these will be solved soon | Feb 08 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Lot of it is not the eating of food. But the no eating of food. | Feb 08 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | or the wrong kind. <-- this is the biggest issue. | Feb 08 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is an education issue. | Feb 08 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | and availability and affordability. | Feb 08 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | solving all that will take 100 years :) | Feb 08 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | and means completely eviscerating the current system | Feb 08 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Posions in food interfering with the processing of sugers and the like is not good. | Feb 08 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Please note lot of this problem in the usa starts in the depression. | Feb 08 23:20 |
| shreddar | unconditional software | Feb 08 23:20 |
| oiaohm | When there was a lack of food. | Feb 08 23:20 |
| shreddar | unlimited software | Feb 08 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie FurnaceBoy it been a snow ball effect. It been coming for years and no one noticed it. | Feb 08 23:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: did you ever read Dr Batmanghelidj's book, about Water, which covered Aspartame metabolism? | Feb 08 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes Aspartame is a great posion. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes, but don't just focus on the medical causes. culture, education, urban planning, lack of regulation, destructive subsidies, are all factors | Feb 08 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Even worse people with type 2 diabiets are going to take lots of it. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Feb 08 23:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Feb 08 23:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a scam | Feb 08 23:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Batmanghelidj explained how diet coke actually makes obesity far more likely | Feb 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | So making the long term effects of type 2 diabiets worse on the over all popluation. | Feb 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Ie more and more obese people. | Feb 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | That are DNA set that way. | Feb 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | And that feeds around in a loop. | Feb 08 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Before you know what is going on most of you popluation is over weight. | Feb 08 23:24 |
| oiaohm | There is always a small percentage of a population who will be in true stavation. So you always should have some obese people in the next generation. | Feb 08 23:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | but thats only one factor... | Feb 08 23:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | don't neglect all the others | Feb 08 23:25 |
| oiaohm | But those obese people should when there is food have thinner childern if they eat right. | Feb 08 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Or naturally die due to type 2 dibeites. | Feb 08 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Guess what. We have stopped the natural kill of there as well. | Feb 08 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Basically by nature type 2 dibeities people are not ment to have children. | Feb 08 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Everything is running out of control and its not just food. FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:27 |
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| FurnaceBoy | i know :) | Feb 08 23:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | Another Signal official testified in his deposition: "The impression I was left with after the talks with the federal agencies was to immediately deport the worker activists." The Signal official said he was told, "Don't give them any advance notice, take them all out of the line on the way to work, get their personal belongings, get them in a van, get their tickets, get them to the airport and | Feb 08 23:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | send them back to India, even if their H-2 B visas haven't expired." | Feb 08 23:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Aby Raju, one of the Indian workers who had been employed by Signal, said that once he and his co-workers arrived from India, "we were held in a labor camp in the shipyard, penned in behind barbed wire and guarded by security so no one knew our whereabouts. We were 24 men to a small room with no privacy and two toilets. They charged so much for the food and bunks that we couldn't send any money | Feb 08 23:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | home or repay our families for the money they spent helping us get to the United States." | Feb 08 23:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | land of the free, home of the brave | Feb 08 23:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | The New Orleans Workers' Center for Racial Justice, which has filed a federal class action suit against Signal on human trafficking charges, organized the taking of the sworn depositions that reveal the collaboration between Signal and the Bush administration. | Feb 08 23:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | niiiiice. | Feb 08 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Now I would hate to make a noah ark class burger here FurnaceBoy | Feb 08 23:42 |
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| cubezzz | IP... | Feb 08 23:50 |
| schestowitz | v6? | Feb 08 23:50 |
| cubezzz | is v6 going to replace v4 or will both be used in tandem? | Feb 08 23:55 |
| MinceR | i think for most users it will have to replace v4 | Feb 08 23:56 |
| MinceR | as there's simply not enough addresses | Feb 08 23:57 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe ISPs (or independent tunnels) will provide NAT to fix that somewhat | Feb 08 23:57 |
| cubezzz | "It is widely expected that IPv4 will be supported alongside IPv6 for the foreseeable future." | Feb 08 23:57 |
| cubezzz | I assume v6 boxes still can talk to v4 boxes | Feb 08 23:58 |
| MinceR | not directly | Feb 08 23:59 |
| MinceR | for the v4 box's reply to reach the v6 box, it would have to be able to address it, which is precisely the problem | Feb 08 23:59 |
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