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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Fixed b0rken NewsTechnica theme. Comments now not only work, but look like they're working.Feb 10 00:08
schestowitzhttp://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=ha_ha_i_didn_t_do_any_gimp_tutorials_thi&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1Feb 10 00:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Penguin Pete's Blog .::. Size~: 27.21 KBFeb 10 00:13
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Debian-6-0-Squeeze-behind-schedule-925778.htmlFeb 10 00:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Debian 6.0 Squeeze behind schedule - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.98 KBFeb 10 00:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, I made Ballmer my avatarFeb 10 00:15
MinceRewFeb 10 00:16
FurnaceBoy:|Feb 10 00:16
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's horribleFeb 10 00:16
DaemonFChttp://img59.imageshack.us/img59/17/ballmervista.jpgFeb 10 00:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 10 00:17
FurnaceBoyAborting.Feb 10 00:17
FurnaceBoyoh if only.Feb 10 00:17
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7210 The Windows 7 honeymoon is overFeb 10 00:18
FurnaceBoyw00tFeb 10 00:19
MinceRaborting? we're several decades late with that.Feb 10 00:20
*_goblin (~goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovellFeb 10 00:22
DaemonFCjono, was asking me earlier if I was using Ubuntu, like that would invalidate my argument about where they went wrongFeb 10 00:22
DaemonFC"You're either with us or you're with the terrorists." -jonoFeb 10 00:23
DaemonFC:PFeb 10 00:23
_goblinhe said that?Feb 10 00:23
DaemonFCnoFeb 10 00:23
schestowitzMinceR: do you have time for a quick Hungarian translation?Feb 10 00:23
DaemonFCbut it's what he was getting atFeb 10 00:23
jonoDaemonFC, I was just curious as to whether you were an ubuntu user or notFeb 10 00:23
DaemonFCsome circular self-masturbatory logicFeb 10 00:23
MinceRi do, if it's really quickFeb 10 00:24
DaemonFCjono, If Ubuntu needs money that badly, why can't you hold out a can and ask everyone to put $1 in?Feb 10 00:24
DaemonFCcertainly if people pay $320 for Windows, they could toss in a few bucks for UbuntuFeb 10 00:24
_goblinthat was unexpected....Feb 10 00:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: strange world we live inFeb 10 00:25
_goblinIve been contacted with alot of support re: Ubuntu...Feb 10 00:25
DaemonFCthey could make more money asking people to chip in a few bucks than by backstabbing their usersFeb 10 00:26
DaemonFCdisgusting them into leaving by changing things like this one at a timeFeb 10 00:26
_goblinseems like far from a global acceptance of Mono and trips to Yahoo...the reverse is happening....Feb 10 00:26
_goblinI really thought Id be hit by Mono supporters.Feb 10 00:27
DaemonFCthere's going to come a point where it's far too commercialized for anyone to even be in the mindset to help outFeb 10 00:27
_goblinI did.....all two of them.Feb 10 00:27
DaemonFC"There's Amazon MP3 ads in Rhythmbox, there's Yahoo search in Firefox" + god knows what elseFeb 10 00:27
_goblinI think Canonical/Ubuntu have done great things...I have both time and respect for both.....I think Yahoo/Gimp and OO decisions are going to prove to be the biggest mistakes they make.Feb 10 00:28
DaemonFCand the whole system becomes a giant piece of adware that people are apathetic about and migrating away fromFeb 10 00:28
_goblinMy prediction......Fedora will pick up the baton, if my email is anything to go by.Feb 10 00:29
DaemonFCyes, Fedora is getting much easier to handle than it used to beFeb 10 00:29
schestowitzMinceR: just the wiki's opening partFeb 10 00:29
DaemonFCmuch less of an anything goes sandpit and much more of something a normal person will useFeb 10 00:29
MinceRschestowitz: not right now, but i think i'll do itFeb 10 00:30
_goblinI wish I didn't have work early....178 emails.....2 of which pro mono and 3 vulgar.....Feb 10 00:30
DaemonFCRed Hat doesn't have to exploit their Fedora users because they're already making a fortune on RHELFeb 10 00:30
DaemonFCwithout worrying about Yahell click penniesFeb 10 00:30
DaemonFCI predict that by Fedora 13, ATI users really won't even need FGLRX anymoreFeb 10 00:31
DaemonFCUbuntu users will have to wait until fall or use a git PPA for x.org and MESAFeb 10 00:31
DaemonFCthat's going to make Fedora look pretty damned tempting if it turns out to be soFeb 10 00:32
DaemonFCwe'll see whose laughing when Nvidia users still get nvidia.ko and ATI users can use their card without a blobFeb 10 00:33
DaemonFChe who laughs last, laughs best and all thatFeb 10 00:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back from work and an early start in the morning.Feb 10 00:34
DaemonFCHotel California :)Feb 10 00:34
_goblinIve been impressed with the "out of the boxness" of Fedora...Im slowly switching my rigs over.....Feb 10 00:35
_goblinIm very tempted to have Elive on my main rig now.Feb 10 00:35
_goblinto replace WolvixFeb 10 00:35
DaemonFClove this song :)Feb 10 00:36
_goblinI'll tell you what Ive noticed with Mono comments.....Feb 10 00:37
DaemonFCdamn, it sounds spectacular on my new speakers :)Feb 10 00:38
_goblinmany bloggers don't want to criticise Mono as they will be labeled "Anti-FOSS" or "Anti-Linux".....they don't want that type of remark being thrown at blogs they work hard on, so they remain silent....sort of a blackmail.Feb 10 00:38
DaemonFCI know who I'm getting my next set fromFeb 10 00:38
*DaemonFC rips the CD to FLAC :)Feb 10 00:38
FurnaceBoy_goblin: :(Feb 10 00:39
_goblin?Feb 10 00:39
FurnaceBoy_goblin | many bloggers don't want to criticise Mono as they will be labeled "Anti-FOSS" or "Anti-Linux"Feb 10 00:39
FurnaceBoybizarro world.Feb 10 00:39
_goblinah...yeah its sad....Feb 10 00:40
FurnaceBoywhen it is in fact Mono that is the pernicious attackFeb 10 00:40
_goblinsort of holding peoples opinions to ransom.Feb 10 00:40
FurnaceBoywhat else did they ever do...Feb 10 00:40
FurnaceBoyif they won't take money, threaten them insteadFeb 10 00:40
_goblintheres only two area's where attacked are so strong......Feb 10 00:40
_goblin*attacksFeb 10 00:40
DaemonFCTiger Direct had these speakers marked down to $50Feb 10 00:40
DaemonFCthey're still listed everywhere else at $130 *shrugs*Feb 10 00:41
_goblincomplaining about Microsoft products or expressing opinion on Mono.Feb 10 00:41
_goblinIf I said tomorrow on my blog, I think Brasero is hopeless, I doubt I would get the backlash as I would for saying the same about MonoFeb 10 00:41
_goblinthat to me says alot.Feb 10 00:42
_goblinIm going to publish some of these emails (with the senders consent) as it suggests that far from one or two people being vocal about Mono, there is actually many.Feb 10 00:43
DaemonFCcd burning used to suck a lot worse on Linux than it does nowFeb 10 00:43
DaemonFCK3B is up there with the best of themFeb 10 00:43
_goblinK3b is what I recommend....I used to rely on Brasero, but my experiences with it on 9.10 had me returning to K3bFeb 10 00:44
DaemonFCyou can run K3B on GNOME easilyFeb 10 00:44
DaemonFCI do in factFeb 10 00:44
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 00:44
_goblinyeah so do I.Feb 10 00:44
_goblinon a few distrosFeb 10 00:44
DaemonFCthe only problem with Brasero is that it's simplisticFeb 10 00:45
_goblinKlibido is another one of my "killer apps"Feb 10 00:45
DaemonFCCD burning apps are a rare exception to "keep it simple"Feb 10 00:45
_goblinfor trawling the a500 demoscene binaries.Feb 10 00:45
DaemonFCI want my CD burning app to do everything and make me breakfastFeb 10 00:45
DaemonFCdon't worry about bloating it, you can'tFeb 10 00:46
_goblinI don't have breakfast.....Feb 10 00:46
_goblinI only need .iso burning.....Feb 10 00:46
DaemonFCNero on Windows doesn't count, it has tried to expand to be an everything suite that just happens to burn CDs poorlyFeb 10 00:46
DaemonFClolFeb 10 00:46
_goblinah....CD's?Feb 10 00:46
DaemonFCblooooooooooooooooooooooat!!!Feb 10 00:46
DaemonFCwell, ISOs and those fucking NRGsFeb 10 00:47
DaemonFCI hate thoseFeb 10 00:47
_goblinEven the warez scene rules seem to be switching from 2x699mb releases.......once the stalwart of the ScEnEFeb 10 00:47
_goblinor something....Feb 10 00:47
DaemonFCwait ten minutes for nrg2iso to crank away at a DVD NRG image to turn it into a proper ISOFeb 10 00:47
DaemonFCFire Coming Out Of The Monkey's Head!Feb 10 00:48
DaemonFC:DFeb 10 00:48
DaemonFChttp://popup.lala.com/popup/576742283152627185Feb 10 00:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lala Song Player - Fire Coming Out Of The Monkey's Head by Gorillaz .::. Size~: 23.04 KBFeb 10 00:49
*DaemonFC loves Last.FMFeb 10 00:50
DaemonFCPandora sucks beyond beliefFeb 10 00:51
DaemonFCSpotify found out I wasn't in the UK pretty fastFeb 10 00:51
DaemonFCneed to make a new account on that every monthFeb 10 00:51
DaemonFCtoo bad, cause Spotify free account gives you Vorbis at q5, best sounding streaming service out thereFeb 10 00:52
DaemonFCwhat happens is I sign up from behind a proxy in the UK and give it some bogus zip code and then it finds out I'm in the US and assumes I'm "traveling" and gives me like a month before it freezes the accountFeb 10 00:54
DaemonFC_goblin, It's mind blowing to me that one company can own the Imaginary Property rights to a song in the UK but can't stream it to the US because another company owns the Imaginary Property hereFeb 10 00:54
DaemonFCthe mafiaa is still trying to pretend that it's in charge of where music can play atFeb 10 00:55
DaemonFCand whenFeb 10 00:55
DaemonFChmmm, in other news....Feb 10 00:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, Transmission finally supports magnet linksFeb 10 00:58
*DaemonFC jumps up and down in excitementFeb 10 00:58
DaemonFCand DHT!!!Feb 10 00:58
DaemonFCok, it's now my favorite torrent client in the world B-)Feb 10 00:59
_goblinDaemonFC: Whilst I respect the copyright laws of the land (and don't infringe them) it doesn't mean I agree with them....I just think the arguement some have of "well I don't agree so I'll do it anyway" is rather weak.Feb 10 01:05
DaemonFCto hell with themFeb 10 01:06
_goblinlaw (either civil or criminal) is not something we can "cherry pick" the bits we like.....I personally think speed camera's are unfair but I won't speed intentionally through them just to make the point.Feb 10 01:06
FurnaceBoy_goblin: right. only when you get as big as MS or as ugly as Gates can you break the law with impunityFeb 10 01:07
_goblintrue...Feb 10 01:07
_goblinbut its ok.....Feb 10 01:07
_goblin"they'll be better next time"Feb 10 01:08
FurnaceBoy_goblin: "largely accidental" monopolyFeb 10 01:08
*FurnaceBoy gigglesFeb 10 01:08
_goblinas long as the customers keep parting with cash everythings ok.Feb 10 01:08
FurnaceBoy_goblin: and they do that less and less. it's going to be quite a show to watch the MS "Titanic" go downFeb 10 01:08
FurnaceBoyquite a show! Feb 10 01:09
_goblinbut knowing MS the blame with be with everyone else and just like a real ship, others will be caught in the "drag" on its way down.Feb 10 01:10
_goblinin many ways, MS is comparable to a quantum singularity.....sucking up everything in its path whilst growing larger by the moment.....innovation (just like light) can't escape as its drawn into its dense center.Feb 10 01:12
DaemonFC_goblin, Spray some of that refracting shit on your license plateFeb 10 01:12
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 01:12
DaemonFCproblem solvedFeb 10 01:12
_goblinfunnily enough....if there truely is a equal and opposite rule to everything.....Feb 10 01:13
_goblin(and DeamonFC you'll like this)Feb 10 01:13
DaemonFC_goblin, Some people roll over and some people fight backFeb 10 01:13
DaemonFC;)Feb 10 01:14
_goblinthen there must be a White hole which returns matter into the universe.....sort of like Linux....returning freedom and creativity to the universe.Feb 10 01:14
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 10 01:14
DaemonFCI don't respect laws that were created to give rich companies undue advantage over meFeb 10 01:14
DaemonFCnever willFeb 10 01:14
_goblinThere you go.....how to incorporate black holes, Linux and red dwarf into the same sentence.Feb 10 01:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: then you should be particularly pissed that corporations are the biggest law BREAKersFeb 10 01:14
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Slip enough money under the table and any law can be repealed, enacted, enforced, or not enforcedFeb 10 01:15
DaemonFCyou should know thatFeb 10 01:15
FurnaceBoyquiteFeb 10 01:15
FurnaceBoyi doFeb 10 01:15
FurnaceBoyMS goes even further than thatFeb 10 01:15
_goblinDaemonFC: Certainly in the UK, that is a myth which I would robustly challenge.Feb 10 01:15
DaemonFCwhy do you think the Supreme Court let companies donate unlimited money in US elections from now on?Feb 10 01:15
DaemonFCthe judges were bribedFeb 10 01:15
_goblinDaemonFC: I can't talk for the US, but in the UK (and certainly at the moment) the rich and powerful are the ones most likely to suffer the "wrath" of the law.Feb 10 01:16
DaemonFCWhy else would they go out of their way to stretch the constitution so much to give corporations more undue influence on our elections?Feb 10 01:16
schestowitzMinceR: thanksFeb 10 01:18
DaemonFCif I went and gave them a bigger briefcase full of cash to not rule in favor of the companies, they would find against themFeb 10 01:19
DaemonFCthat's all this isFeb 10 01:19
DaemonFCwe have the finest laws money can buyFeb 10 01:21
DaemonFCthe stimulus act didn't even create any jobs really, it was a handout to Obama's campaign supportersFeb 10 01:22
DaemonFCthey can't even tell you where the money has goneFeb 10 01:22
DaemonFCthey're sending it to zip codes that don't existFeb 10 01:22
DaemonFCliterallyFeb 10 01:22
FurnaceBoy_goblin: BAE ?!Feb 10 01:24
_goblinYou'll have to explain that one to me, Im not familiar.Feb 10 01:25
FurnaceBoyyou live in the UK?Feb 10 01:25
FurnaceBoyyou haven't followed the SFO's long-running pursuit of BAE and this week's wrist-slap fine?Feb 10 01:25
DaemonFCnext time I sign up to volunteer to go canvassing, I'm going to throw all the door placards away, kill an hour each trip, and mark down bullshit data for each house like moved, vacant, dead, and then whoever anyone I do talk to says they're voting for, I'm going to mark it down as the oppositeFeb 10 01:27
DaemonFCthen in 2016, anyone who hits those routes is wasting their timeFeb 10 01:27
DaemonFCknocking on Republican doors asking them to vote Democrat and vice versaFeb 10 01:27
DaemonFCbetter yet, I'm going canvassing for the Republicans on some routes they'll pay you for and trashing their dataFeb 10 01:28
DaemonFCoh yeahFeb 10 01:28
_goblinyes but I didn't think you were meaning that....Feb 10 01:29
_goblinI don't think it shows a conspiracy or "dirty play"...if think its more an indictment of the state of the economy and how to limit further damage on it....the lesser of two evils.Feb 10 01:29
DaemonFCtake 8 hours of pay and spend all 8 hours doing whateverFeb 10 01:29
DaemonFCI heard some of the people they were hiring to do that were doing just thatFeb 10 01:30
DaemonFCthrowing the shit away and coming back 8 hours later for their moneyFeb 10 01:30
_goblinsounds like some of the people I work with.Feb 10 01:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQwco3w7Zao America: Brave? Free?Feb 10 01:31
DaemonFCI would normally be against that _goblin, but their employer is the Republican PartyFeb 10 01:31
DaemonFCso I would do the same thingFeb 10 01:31
_goblinah.....Feb 10 01:31
_goblinI avoid politics as Im not supposed to comment on it.Feb 10 01:31
_goblinI don't have an opinion.Feb 10 01:31
DaemonFC_goblin, Wouldn't you do that to the BNP if they asked you to go canvassingFeb 10 01:32
DaemonFCand offered to pay? :)Feb 10 01:32
_goblinno.....Feb 10 01:32
_goblinI wouldn't want to be associatedFeb 10 01:32
_goblinin any way.Feb 10 01:32
DaemonFCfuck, I'd take $9.50 an hour to go sabotage the RepublicansFeb 10 01:32
DaemonFCyou're damned right I wouldFeb 10 01:32
_goblinwould it really make a difference in the grand scheme of things?Feb 10 01:33
DaemonFCthey'll have you working a week or two doing that, get $1,000-ish dollars and go home and sleep all dayFeb 10 01:33
DaemonFCsign me upFeb 10 01:33
_goblinor would it be more a case of personal "revenge" and an indulgence of your own.Feb 10 01:33
DaemonFCkind of bothFeb 10 01:33
DaemonFCit's your enemy paying you to fuck them overFeb 10 01:34
DaemonFChow much sweeter can it get?Feb 10 01:34
_goblinerFeb 10 01:34
_goblinhaving Paris Hilton accompany you?Feb 10 01:34
DaemonFCewwwFeb 10 01:34
_goblinbtw she's mine.Feb 10 01:34
DaemonFCStupid Spoiled Whore: Video PlaysetFeb 10 01:34
DaemonFCB-)Feb 10 01:34
_goblinyou say that like its a bad thing.Feb 10 01:34
DaemonFChttp://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154656/?searchterm=Stupid+Spoiled+Whore+Video+PlaysetFeb 10 01:35
_goblinyou leave paris alone....Feb 10 01:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset - Clips - South Park Studios .::. Size~: 155 KBFeb 10 01:35
DaemonFCheheFeb 10 01:35
_goblinshe's a linux userFeb 10 01:35
DaemonFCuh huhFeb 10 01:35
DaemonFCdo they make Linux-powered night vision cameras and dildos now?Feb 10 01:35
DaemonFC(they might, hell I don't know)Feb 10 01:36
_goblinno...Feb 10 01:36
_goblinshe uses linux...Feb 10 01:36
_goblinhere:Feb 10 01:36
_goblinhttp://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/08/paris-hilton-tinkerbell-linux.htmlFeb 10 01:36
_goblin;)Feb 10 01:36
DaemonFCmust be one of those toy laptops with SugarFeb 10 01:37
DaemonFC:DFeb 10 01:37
*DaemonFC ducksFeb 10 01:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBspot - Paris Hilton Releases Tinkerbell Linux .::. Size~: 22.63 KBFeb 10 01:37
_goblinQuote of the day: (Paris on Linux)Feb 10 01:37
_goblinMany Linux users said they appreciate the exposure a star like Paris Hilton can give to the Linux movement, and added that they can "appreciate someone who can compile without panties on."Feb 10 01:37
DaemonFCuh huh.....Feb 10 01:37
DaemonFCI'm frightened by the name she could besmirch Linux withFeb 10 01:38
DaemonFChonestlyFeb 10 01:38
DaemonFCno operating system besides Windows deserves her endorsement Feb 10 01:39
DaemonFC"I use Vista, tee hee, it's so intuitive!!!!" Feb 10 01:39
DaemonFCI could envision thatFeb 10 01:39
FurnaceBoyyussFeb 10 01:43
DaemonFCit's always the same thing with Windows, it's flawless at first then when a new version is out, Microsoft pays people to throw rotten vegetables at the last oneFeb 10 01:45
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 01:45
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 10 01:46
_goblinRight.........Feb 10 01:46
_goblinim off to bedFeb 10 01:46
_goblinnice talking to you all...Feb 10 01:46
_goblinsee you later.Feb 10 01:46
*_goblin has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)Feb 10 01:46
cubezzztinkerbell linux?Feb 10 01:49
cubezzzis this a put on?Feb 10 01:50
cubezzzyup I think so Feb 10 01:52
DaemonFCcubezzz, Butters LinuxFeb 10 01:53
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 01:53
*cubezzz wants real newsFeb 10 01:53
DaemonFChttp://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154669/?searchterm=Stupid+Spoiled+Whore+Video+PlaysetFeb 10 01:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Paris Makes an Offer - Clips - South Park Studios .::. Size~: 153.36 KBFeb 10 01:54
DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8505998.stmFeb 10 01:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 94.78 KBFeb 10 01:58
balzachttp://www.disruptech.com/content/dancers  <--- my peopleFeb 10 02:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dancers |     Keep your people. Change your software. .::. Size~: 16.06 KBFeb 10 02:00
balzacthat is the power of drugs combined with electronic musicFeb 10 02:01
DaemonFClmaoFeb 10 02:02
DaemonFCI dabbled with some of bothFeb 10 02:02
DaemonFCwalking into a dance club with that techno shit playing is enough to make you think you're in Abu GhraibFeb 10 02:02
balzacdamn, I really don't like making websitesFeb 10 02:07
balzaci wonder which is worse, being dead, or making websitesFeb 10 02:07
balzacprobably making websitesFeb 10 02:07
balzacnot really. I'm convinced being dead is going to be intolerable as well.Feb 10 02:08
balzaci hate design, i don't like clients, i'd rather work in sanitationFeb 10 02:09
balzacthere might be a worse profession - working as a collections agentFeb 10 02:10
balzachow annoying would that be?Feb 10 02:10
balzacawfully persistent, professionally annoyingFeb 10 02:11
schestowitz[01:39] <DaemonFC> no operating system besides Windows deserves her endorsement Feb 10 02:11
schestowitz[01:39] <DaemonFC> "I use Vista, tee hee, it's so intuitive!!!!" Feb 10 02:11
schestowitzTJ mocks Vista: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXt3WwiFBgFeb 10 02:11
schestowitzSome due compared Vista to Jessica Simpson a few years agoFeb 10 02:11
schestowitzLooks pretty but useless was the ideaFeb 10 02:12
DaemonFC"more likely to get fisted by a 2 ton gorilla named Barbara in the parking lot of an Outback Steakhouse than you are to die in a plane crash" lolFeb 10 02:13
balzacshe's pretty sexy, and I bet she can cook as wellFeb 10 02:13
schestowitzbalzac: better than working on some other thingsFeb 10 02:14
schestowitzI used to some Web designFeb 10 02:14
schestowitzI know the annoying feeling of picky clients who keep wanting something changedFeb 10 02:15
balzacyeah, well i'm really bad at staying focusedFeb 10 02:15
balzacyeah, clients are bad tooFeb 10 02:15
schestowitzWe're all clientsFeb 10 02:15
schestowitzFor example:Feb 10 02:15
balzacI woke up badly this morningFeb 10 02:16
schestowitzyou may sometimes shop for food or dine somewhereFeb 10 02:16
schestowitzbalzac: 'tleast woke up :-)Feb 10 02:16
balzacthe guy next door put on a song by David Bowie - Major TomFeb 10 02:16
balzacI was furiousFeb 10 02:16
schestowitzMajor Tom is coolFeb 10 02:16
balzacnot a song to wake up toFeb 10 02:16
schestowitzI love that songFeb 10 02:16
schestowitzStarman is betterFeb 10 02:16
schestowitzThere's a staaaaaar man... waiting in the sky.....Feb 10 02:17
balzacyeah, well it my paranoid state of mind, it's not what I wanted to hear, certainly not what I wanted to wake up to.Feb 10 02:17
balzacI like some David Bowie songs, but I've been very selective about music which carries moods in recent yearsFeb 10 02:17
schestowitzMaybe it was g0^h^h^h^hd waking you upFeb 10 02:17
schestowitz"Put your helmet on..."Feb 10 02:18
schestowitz"God control to major Tom......"Feb 10 02:18
balzacit was the guy next door who put it on, went to cook his breakfast, left his door open, so it was blaring right through my door.Feb 10 02:18
amarsh04replie with Philip Glass' "Heroes Symphony" at suitable volume (-:Feb 10 02:18
schestowitzYou need to replace him with a girl nxt door maybeFeb 10 02:19
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/09/dadt-repeal-activist-lt-d_n_455366.htmlFeb 10 02:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DADT Repeal Activist Lt. Dan Choi Recalled To Active Duty .::. Size~: 196.56 KBFeb 10 02:19
schestowitzThey are quieterFeb 10 02:19
balzacYes, that would be preferableFeb 10 02:19
schestowitzamarsh04: but he lives with zombies..... Feb 10 02:19
balzacand better in every wayFeb 10 02:19
schestowitzhttp://www.disruptech.com/content/dancersFeb 10 02:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dancers |     Keep your people. Change your software. .::. Size~: 16.06 KBFeb 10 02:20
balzacAnyway, I'm slowly dying, same as everFeb 10 02:20
DaemonFCewwwFeb 10 02:20
schestowitzSlowly is goodFeb 10 02:20
DaemonFCBing search in Huffington PostFeb 10 02:20
schestowitzWe're all dyingFeb 10 02:20
schestowitzSome faster than othersFeb 10 02:20
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ouchFeb 10 02:20
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: their fall from grace was rapid and completeFeb 10 02:20
balzacAs the Pink Floyd song goes "quiet desperation is the English way"Feb 10 02:21
schestowitzOne thing we all share is that we're gonna dieFeb 10 02:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what a bunch of a**holesFeb 10 02:21
balzacI can relate to thatFeb 10 02:21
FurnaceBoybalzac: Dark Side of the Moon is a fine album :)Feb 10 02:21
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: maybe a quiet deal between Aryanna and BillieFeb 10 02:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: undoubtedlyFeb 10 02:21
balzacschestowitz: yeah, but we've got years of misery ahead, I guess.Feb 10 02:21
*FurnaceBoy retchesFeb 10 02:21
schestowitzHe gave her... 10 minutes of his time.... oh preciousFeb 10 02:21
balzacsure it is, but I avoid Pink Floyd for its moodinessFeb 10 02:21
FurnaceBoybalzac: Thick as a Brick then?Feb 10 02:21
schestowitzAnd she gives him a Monica and a tol barFeb 10 02:21
balzac?Feb 10 02:22
FurnaceBoybalzac: Jethro TullFeb 10 02:22
balzactoo heavyFeb 10 02:22
balzacI listen to stuff which is more dryFeb 10 02:22
FurnaceBoyFaithless?Feb 10 02:22
balzacWe probably never listen to the same songsFeb 10 02:23
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 10 02:23
FurnaceBoyexcept DSOTMFeb 10 02:23
balzac?Feb 10 02:23
FurnaceBoyDark Side of the MoonFeb 10 02:23
balzacoh, I don't listen to that any moreFeb 10 02:23
FurnaceBoybut I don't listen to much music habituallyFeb 10 02:23
FurnaceBoynor meFeb 10 02:23
balzactoo depressingFeb 10 02:23
cubezzzI'm listening to wgbh classical musicFeb 10 02:24
balzacI think it's time to turn up the level of brutality in the political arenaFeb 10 02:25
balzacThe Republicans in congress need to have the stuffing kicked out of themFeb 10 02:25
balzactheir suffering can bring some relative joyFeb 10 02:25
schestowitzDaemonFOC would opposeFeb 10 02:26
DaemonFCschestowitz, NopeFeb 10 02:26
FurnaceBoywell, he's a very confused young manFeb 10 02:26
DaemonFCI think they all need to be loaded onto an ocean liner and sank halfwayFeb 10 02:26
DaemonFCthen we can start over and do things rightFeb 10 02:27
balzacwell, that's a bit harshFeb 10 02:27
FurnaceBoy[20:27:55]     DaemonFC | fuck, I'd take $9.50 an hour to go sabotage the RepublicansFeb 10 02:27
DaemonFCloaded into a rocket and fired into the sun?Feb 10 02:27
balzacthey're a miserable lotFeb 10 02:27
DaemonFCI don't just mean Republicans, I mean *all* of themFeb 10 02:27
DaemonFCevery last oneFeb 10 02:27
balzacdepending on who you're talking aboutFeb 10 02:27
balzacextremism is wastefulFeb 10 02:28
DaemonFCI got a survey asking how much I agreed with the Republicans and the DemocratsFeb 10 02:28
balzaci say eat the hearts of your enemies, if any are foolish enough to be enemiesFeb 10 02:28
DaemonFCfor Republicans I answered "Not at all"Feb 10 02:28
DaemonFCfor the Democrats I answered "Strongly Disagree"Feb 10 02:28
balzacprobably a heart all chopped and sauteed could be good with chipotle sauceFeb 10 02:29
balzaci'm hungryFeb 10 02:29
DaemonFCthe Democrats are the bastards that are only half a notch up from the bottomFeb 10 02:29
balzacbut broad condemnations are another issueFeb 10 02:29
FurnaceBoybalzac: sounds like you're referring to the Aztec Cookbook!Feb 10 02:29
balzacFurnaceBoy: yeahFeb 10 02:29
balzacI'm hungry too, so when my political animosity is combined with hunger, I start thinking about sauteeing their hearts.Feb 10 02:29
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 10 02:30
balzacI should just finish my stupid website and get money to have a sandwich from the deliFeb 10 02:30
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I'm probably going to vote for the Libertarians this yearFeb 10 02:30
DaemonFCjust a protest vote I know they never winFeb 10 02:30
DaemonFCbut stillFeb 10 02:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that would be a laudable moveFeb 10 02:31
DaemonFCI don't even think I can hold my nose and vote for Evan Bayh againFeb 10 02:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: afaict he's one of the looniesFeb 10 02:31
DaemonFCnot a loonieFeb 10 02:31
DaemonFCjust bought and paid for by pharmaFeb 10 02:32
DaemonFCamong other thingsFeb 10 02:32
FurnaceBoywell, what more do you want? that's enough for the guillotineFeb 10 02:32
schestowitzLobbyists and corporations steal all your votesFeb 10 02:32
DaemonFCwe need a clearance. everything must goFeb 10 02:32
schestowitzThe public is then just left to endorse the preselected candidatesFeb 10 02:32
balzacno, that's not enough for guillotineFeb 10 02:32
DaemonFCevery office up for election, no incumbents Feb 10 02:33
schestowitzThis situation has all sorts of namesFeb 10 02:33
balzacmere corruption isn't such a big deal. it's the wars, war-profiteering and torture.Feb 10 02:33
FurnaceBoybalzac: I could not agree moreFeb 10 02:33
balzacthat's what brings out the shaman in me Feb 10 02:33
schestowitzbalzac: agreedFeb 10 02:33
schestowitzBut...Feb 10 02:33
FurnaceBoybalzac: the latter merit the rusty guillotineFeb 10 02:33
balzacmakes me want to get high, cut out the heart of my enemy and make it into a spicy burritoFeb 10 02:33
DaemonFCjono, I ended up using Scroogle in Firefox btwFeb 10 02:33
schestowitzCorruption leads to war, torture, death etc.Feb 10 02:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: how are you doing tracking down Blair for that citizens arrestFeb 10 02:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesFeb 10 02:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: inexorablyFeb 10 02:34
balzacbut I shouldn't give other people ideasFeb 10 02:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: deadly embraceFeb 10 02:34
balzacpeople are stupidFeb 10 02:34
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: he whitewashed some of his pastFeb 10 02:34
schestowitzMany people like himFeb 10 02:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: indeedFeb 10 02:34
schestowitzWell, many Russian youth love Stalin tooFeb 10 02:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Chilcot gave him a venue for more revisionFeb 10 02:34
balzacI wonder if I have any enemies.Feb 10 02:35
schestowitzbalzac: doesn't matterFeb 10 02:35
balzacmaybe you're rightFeb 10 02:35
schestowitzAll it takes for chaos to triumph is for the informed guys/gals to stop fightingFeb 10 02:35
schestowitzDamn, I'm too tired to bloody tweet.....Feb 10 02:36
*schestowitz has tea breakFeb 10 02:36
balzacwell, I'm not tired of fighting, I'm tired of workingFeb 10 02:36
schestowitzSame thing?Feb 10 02:38
balzacnot for meFeb 10 02:38
schestowitzWell...Feb 10 02:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/11/30/bayh/index.htmlFeb 10 02:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com .::. Size~: 60.35 KBFeb 10 02:38
schestowitzNot in the war senseFeb 10 02:38
FurnaceBoyIndiana Sen. Evan Bayh -- who was one of the most vocal cheerleaders for the invasion of Iraq, talks excitedly about punishing, and even bombing, Iran, and is now demanding full-scale escalation in Afghanistan -- was on Fox News yesterday and highlighted what a fraud most so-called "fiscal conservatives" and "deficit hawks" like him really areFeb 10 02:38
schestowitzFighting as in antagonisingFeb 10 02:39
schestowitzOr extinguishign ratherFeb 10 02:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Biden tooFeb 10 02:39
schestowitzBiden is like Obama's BrainFeb 10 02:39
schestowitzThe bad oneFeb 10 02:39
FurnaceBoylike Cheney was Bush's ?Feb 10 02:39
balzacschestowitz: not reallyFeb 10 02:39
schestowitzPinky &the BrainFeb 10 02:39
schestowitzSame with CheneyFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzMaybe GoreFeb 10 02:40
FurnaceBoycertainly had none of his own to speak of. one thinks of a walnut, or a desiccated monkey testicle.Feb 10 02:40
schestowitzOne is the actorFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzWellFeb 10 02:40
FurnaceBoywhat a repellent waste of fleshFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzActingFeb 10 02:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: preciselyFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzOne is spokesmanFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzOne actsFeb 10 02:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that is all the president is: actor/spokesmanFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzThe police has the same mechanismFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzBad and good copFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzOr bully and communicatorFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzMicrosoft has that tooFeb 10 02:40
schestowitzThe slimy Sam Ramji...Feb 10 02:40
schestowitzWith Steve Bummer behind himFeb 10 02:41
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it has more layrsFeb 10 02:41
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, In a race like this you have a Republican and a RepublicanFeb 10 02:41
schestowitzPelosiFeb 10 02:41
schestowitzHe's like the grandma typeFeb 10 02:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesFeb 10 02:41
DaemonFCneither vote will make a differenceFeb 10 02:41
schestowitzTake care of you, makes no decisionsFeb 10 02:41
schestowitzWith Obama, you can slam him for decisionFeb 10 02:41
schestowitzGrandma Pelosi... you can whine to her about bad uncle ObamaFeb 10 02:42
FurnaceBoyhahaFeb 10 02:42
balzacWell, "progressives" began to scatter right awayFeb 10 02:42
DaemonFCwe need the LibertariansFeb 10 02:42
FurnaceBoyyes. the dysfunctional family.Feb 10 02:42
DaemonFCnot the TeabaggersFeb 10 02:42
schestowitzMonsanto is like that tooFeb 10 02:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: or Seinfeld. "No learning." should be the American motto.Feb 10 02:42
schestowitzThe "talk to the hand" figureheadsFeb 10 02:42
balzacso many "progressives" were looking for an excuse to withdraw their support right after inaugurationFeb 10 02:42
schestowitzYou can't talk directly to the criminalsFeb 10 02:42
schestowitzAnd often the PR people are womenFeb 10 02:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes!Feb 10 02:42
schestowitzCause they can't be slammed similarlyFeb 10 02:42
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, wars of aggression would end with the LibertariansFeb 10 02:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Dana PerinoFeb 10 02:43
DaemonFCcivil rights would be respectedFeb 10 02:43
schestowitzNestle did thisFeb 10 02:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: very clever strategyFeb 10 02:43
DaemonFCit's just what we needFeb 10 02:43
schestowitzMicrosoft seems to be doing it this week with Paula HunterFeb 10 02:43
DaemonFCwasteful government programs cutFeb 10 02:43
DaemonFCmilitary cutFeb 10 02:43
schestowitzBe careful not to slam CodePlex foundationFeb 10 02:43
schestowitzThen you're sexistFeb 10 02:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Blair did this, putting Cherie forward like a human shieldFeb 10 02:43
DaemonFCweed decriminalizedFeb 10 02:43
schestowitzIf you attack MS MVP de Icaza you're racist, maybeFeb 10 02:43
FurnaceBoyLOLFeb 10 02:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good pointFeb 10 02:43
balzacAmerican congress is really corrupt, in a way which makes it ineffectiveFeb 10 02:43
DaemonFCif we had a government like that FurnaceBoy, taxes would be about 1/5th of that they are nowFeb 10 02:44
schestowitz[02:43] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: Blair did this, putting Cherie forward like a human shieldFeb 10 02:44
schestowitzMelinda Cherie Gates?Feb 10 02:44
FurnaceBoyLOL!Feb 10 02:44
FurnaceBoyYES!Feb 10 02:44
balzacrancid corruptionFeb 10 02:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you nailed itFeb 10 02:44
schestowitzMind you, they are friendsFeb 10 02:44
schestowitzDon't insult my wife!!Feb 10 02:44
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Taxes take away individual buying powerFeb 10 02:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: SHE was the one on the Davos panels.Feb 10 02:44
DaemonFCthey cripple the poor even worseFeb 10 02:44
schestowitzIt's the Bill AND MELINDA Gates foundryFeb 10 02:44
DaemonFCthey push the middle class out of existenceFeb 10 02:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: she was at Bilderberg tooFeb 10 02:44
balzacthe thing people should keep in mind is that we cannot fully comprehend the disdain with which the elite look upon the "plebes"Feb 10 02:45
schestowitzMundie alsoFeb 10 02:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and they give you roads, police, fire depts, schools, hospitals, water, yadda yaddaFeb 10 02:45
balzaclook at a monkey flinging its own poo - this is how they perceive us.Feb 10 02:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: all the stuff your states can no longer affordFeb 10 02:45
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Well no shitFeb 10 02:45
DaemonFCbut that's not anywhere near what we're spendingFeb 10 02:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: war, my good man, warFeb 10 02:45
balzacbut I should be careful, because people are angry enoughFeb 10 02:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: is your sicknessFeb 10 02:45
DaemonFCThe government is fleecing us for shit we don't needFeb 10 02:45
schestowitzbalzac: yesFeb 10 02:45
schestowitzObama commented on blogsFeb 10 02:46
balzacI'm just saying, it's hard to underestimate the disdain the elite feel for usFeb 10 02:46
DaemonFCthings we don't need involved withFeb 10 02:46
schestowitzHe said it was a bunch of people shouting at each otherFeb 10 02:46
DaemonFCI'm not arguing that there shouldn't be taxes for roads and schoolsFeb 10 02:46
schestowitzWhat a nerve he has...Feb 10 02:46
schestowitzCommunity organiser.........Feb 10 02:46
schestowitzWhich community?Feb 10 02:46
schestowitzBig banks?Feb 10 02:46
DaemonFCThat's why I said the useful projects represent about 20% of the taxes they take from us, FurnaceBoy Feb 10 02:46
balzacschestowitz: think about FoxFeb 10 02:47
DaemonFC80% of it is not benefiting anyone that needs itFeb 10 02:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no doubt. deficits suck ehFeb 10 02:47
schestowitzIt was discussed, IIRC, in the context of bailing out 'official' news sitesFeb 10 02:47
schestowitzObama doesn't like blogFeb 10 02:47
balzacschestowitz: religion inspires people to some extreme levels of selfishnessFeb 10 02:47
schestowitzNot enough regulationFeb 10 02:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: maybe perpetual war wasn't such a great thing for the american peopleFeb 10 02:47
schestowitz /blog/blogsFeb 10 02:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: wonderful for the elites thoughFeb 10 02:47
balzacit's paradoxical, but people with faith are extraordinarily thoughtless of others.Feb 10 02:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: quickest way to move cash yet inventedFeb 10 02:47
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I'd dismantle all of the government that wasn't doing things that people couldn't do for themselvesFeb 10 02:47
schestowitzbalzac: no, no :-)Feb 10 02:48
balzacI've been cultivating my own sense of entitlement, but I'm not convinced I've a strong enough sense of entitlement just yet.Feb 10 02:48
DaemonFCreduce the military to a purely defensive forceFeb 10 02:48
schestowitzReligion is all about tolerance :-)Feb 10 02:48
schestowitzCause you're the bestFeb 10 02:48
schestowitzAnd God loves YOU, unlike those infidelsFeb 10 02:48
balzacThey have a believe in what is called "divine entitlement"Feb 10 02:48
balzacPat Robertson is the worstFeb 10 02:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: won't happen in our lifetimes :)Feb 10 02:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's trickyFeb 10 02:48
DaemonFCRonald Reagan said it best even though he didn't practice it. The scariest words you'll ever here are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help"Feb 10 02:49
balzachonestly, I've made a standing offer, if he wants to have a prayer war to the deathFeb 10 02:49
schestowitzCause you never know when defence will be neededFeb 10 02:49
schestowitzSo you over-armFeb 10 02:49
balzacI will pray for Pat Robertson's death with all my mightFeb 10 02:49
balzacand he can pray for my deathFeb 10 02:49
schestowitzLike Finland after years of aggression from RussiaFeb 10 02:49
DaemonFC*hearFeb 10 02:49
balzacwe'll see who has a stronger relationship with GodFeb 10 02:49
schestowitz[02:49] <DaemonFC> Ronald Reagan said it best even though he didn't practice it.Feb 10 02:49
schestowitzPractice what?Feb 10 02:49
DaemonFCbalzac, What's sickening is that they set up "colleges" for Christian brainwashing which get accredited!Feb 10 02:50
schestowitzWhy practice?Feb 10 02:50
schestowitzAb crunches? :)Feb 10 02:50
balzacDaemonFC: I don't care anymoreFeb 10 02:50
DaemonFCschestowitz, the less government, the better.Feb 10 02:50
schestowitzHey, how about a religion that requires exerciseFeb 10 02:50
schestowitz?Feb 10 02:50
DaemonFCstrip it to the boneFeb 10 02:50
balzacIn my best moments, I'm even beyond anger at Pat RobertsonFeb 10 02:50
schestowitzYou can defeat lack of direction AND OBESITY at the same timeFeb 10 02:50
DaemonFCgive people their tax money backFeb 10 02:50
schestowitzAt church you'd have mats, not pewsFeb 10 02:50
schestowitzAnd the pastor play a boom boxFeb 10 02:50
DaemonFCcrack open Social Security and return what's leftFeb 10 02:50
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 02:50
balzacHe is a wayward fool and my faith is more powerful than hisFeb 10 02:51
balzacI don't have to hate himFeb 10 02:51
balzacI would like to meet him in person so he could see the power of my faith in personFeb 10 02:51
schestowitzWhat is faith?Feb 10 02:51
balzacI'm more of a Sith Lord than himFeb 10 02:51
balzacit's a feelingFeb 10 02:51
schestowitzIt's belief without evidenceFeb 10 02:51
DaemonFCremember when Bush was trying to make it so that instead of sending your money to Social Security for the government to steal and spend on bullshit, you could turn it into a de facto 401(k) isntead?Feb 10 02:51
schestowitzI.e. it's level of ignoranceFeb 10 02:52
balzacno, there doesn't need to be belief Feb 10 02:52
schestowitzwilful ignorance evenFeb 10 02:52
DaemonFCyou'd be hard pressed to lose more of your money in the stock market than in Social SecurityFeb 10 02:52
balzacnot hereFeb 10 02:52
DaemonFCyou're paying 25% of your wages to Social Security (you pay half and you don't see the other half that your employer has to pay)Feb 10 02:53
DaemonFC25% of your wages over 50 years of workingFeb 10 02:53
DaemonFCso you can live on what amounts to half of minimum wage if you ever get to retireFeb 10 02:53
balzacschestowitz: you can have faith without delusional beliefsFeb 10 02:54
schestowitzwhat is faith?Feb 10 02:54
schestowitzHypothesis?Feb 10 02:54
balzacno thinking to arrive at faith, no thinking derived from itFeb 10 02:54
balzacjust a feelingFeb 10 02:54
DaemonFClets say over the course of your life, you average $35,000 a year, most people don't, but it's an example. Feb 10 02:55
balzacthat's how it should beFeb 10 02:55
cubezzzthoughts = reality remember :)Feb 10 02:55
DaemonFCYou pay $437,500 to Social Security and get back $1200 a month until you dieFeb 10 02:55
balzaccubezzz: thoughts are a part of realityFeb 10 02:55
balzacthoughts are informed cognitionFeb 10 02:56
cubezzzyou want to open a can of beans, you open it, it's reality :)Feb 10 02:56
balzacthere is formless awareness as wellFeb 10 02:56
DaemonFCassuming you retire at 67 and live to be 82, you get $216,000 backFeb 10 02:56
DaemonFCout of the $437,500Feb 10 02:56
balzaci know what reality isFeb 10 02:56
DaemonFCso you're doing good to get about 45% of what you paid inFeb 10 02:56
balzaci believe in evolution as the origin of natureFeb 10 02:56
DaemonFCthe system is "going broke" not because people ever get back more than they put inFeb 10 02:56
balzaci'm not seeking a rewarding afterlifeFeb 10 02:56
cubezzza man thought he was burnt by a cigarette, and develops a blister on his armFeb 10 02:57
DaemonFCthe government is stealing your retirement to fund pet projectsFeb 10 02:57
cubezzzwhen in fact his friend touched him with the eraser end of a pencilFeb 10 02:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe that's why they give us cigarettes :-)Feb 10 02:57
DaemonFCand to send off foreign aide to countries while we bomb other onesFeb 10 02:57
cubezzzone exampleFeb 10 02:57
cubezzzthe power of suggestionFeb 10 02:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, and many people die before they are old enough to get anything backFeb 10 02:57
DaemonFCand Social Security just keeps itFeb 10 02:58
DaemonFCyou can't leave it to familyFeb 10 02:58
schestowitzGood for the richFeb 10 02:58
schestowitzThey live longerFeb 10 02:58
DaemonFCexactlyFeb 10 02:58
schestowitzTHe others live in fantasyFeb 10 02:58
schestowitz"I will live well when I leave this job..."Feb 10 02:58
schestowitz"I will live well when I retire..."Feb 10 02:58
DaemonFCand they cap how much you owe the tax on to a max of $102,500 a yearFeb 10 02:58
schestowitz"I will live well when I go to heaven..."Feb 10 02:58
DaemonFCso that's all the tax Steve Ballmer paysFeb 10 02:58
schestowitz"I will live well when my son because a millionaire"Feb 10 02:58
DaemonFClike 5% of his incomeFeb 10 02:58
cubezzzyou think you are happy = you are happyFeb 10 02:58
balzacpeople need to reach a population plateauFeb 10 02:58
DaemonFCwhile most people pay 25%Feb 10 02:59
cubezzzyou think you are sad = you are sadFeb 10 02:59
schestowitz"I will live well when my son goes to him next job......"Feb 10 02:59
schestowitz"I will live well when my son wins the lottry"Feb 10 02:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: +++Feb 10 02:59
DaemonFCSocial Security is not a good thing, it's not there for youFeb 10 02:59
DaemonFCit's there as a backdoor taxFeb 10 02:59
DaemonFCa damned big oneFeb 10 02:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I actually term this, now, the "Lottery" theory of life, when describing the US mindsetFeb 10 03:00
DaemonFCSocial Security is like a casino, where the house always winsFeb 10 03:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: essentially covered by Faludi's "Stiffed" (highly recommended)Feb 10 03:00
cubezzzassuming there is no afterlife you may as well live as long as possibleFeb 10 03:00
DaemonFCit's not there to help the elderly or the disabledFeb 10 03:00
balzacmore like a ponzi schemeFeb 10 03:00
balzacbut this is because society is so driven by non-sustainable technologyFeb 10 03:00
DaemonFCand like any casino, they have to pay out a little bit now and then so people think you can winFeb 10 03:00
cubezzzI'd say your odds are better than the casino :)Feb 10 03:01
DaemonFCmy guess is they take in $4 for every $1 in benefits they ever have to pay outFeb 10 03:01
balzacthe fact is, people aren't living sustainablyFeb 10 03:01
cubezzzyou don't even know how those casino machines have been programmedFeb 10 03:01
balzacthe ecology is more fundamental than the economyFeb 10 03:01
DaemonFCthere's no possible reason they're being "burdened" by retirees or the disabledFeb 10 03:02
DaemonFCthey simply CANNOT beFeb 10 03:02
balzacecology > economyFeb 10 03:02
cubezzzyes, so grow some food :)Feb 10 03:02
balzactoo many people, not enough nature equals economic suicideFeb 10 03:02
cubezzzgrocery bill = smallerFeb 10 03:02
DaemonFCSocial Security takes in over twice what they pay out even if EVERYONE lives to be 82 and retires at 67Feb 10 03:02
DaemonFCand people dying before 67 is just a bonusFeb 10 03:02
balzacpeople need to be disabused of their false ideasFeb 10 03:02
cubezzzwhat happens to the extra money?Feb 10 03:03
DaemonFCcubezzz, They steal itFeb 10 03:03
DaemonFCit's a tax, like I told youFeb 10 03:03
balzacso they will enthusiastically cooperate with certain standardsFeb 10 03:03
DaemonFCit's 75% tax, 25% public benefitFeb 10 03:03
DaemonFCcasinoFeb 10 03:03
cubezzzbalzac, Amish ftw :)Feb 10 03:03
DaemonFCSocial Security is 3 times the burden on the public than it is a benefitFeb 10 03:04
balzacBasically, my intention is to beat the defiance out of those who seek to finish off natureFeb 10 03:04
DaemonFCthe taxpaying working poor have to carry Social Security on their back their entire lifeFeb 10 03:04
cubezzzok, so what are you saying, get rid of Social Security and just save more?Feb 10 03:04
DaemonFCyesFeb 10 03:04
DaemonFCdismantle it, audit it, refund whatever is in thereFeb 10 03:05
balzacwhere it concerns the preservation of the remains of nature, un-touched by human development, there can be no compromiseFeb 10 03:05
balzacand the focus of aggression should not be the poor people who develop this landFeb 10 03:05
balzacit must be the figureheads Feb 10 03:05
balzacnon-aggression against little guys. Sure, they can be opposed to save creatures as necessary.Feb 10 03:06
balzacpoachers can be intercepted and suchFeb 10 03:06
DaemonFCthe rich basically don't pay Social Security tax, the MOST that Ballmer is paying is 12.5% of the first $102,500 of his salaryFeb 10 03:06
balzacbut those who finance the last destruction are the ones to pay the ultimate priceFeb 10 03:06
DaemonFCthen he doesn't pay them more after thatFeb 10 03:06
balzacPeople are almost ready to accept that the ecology is the basis for economic prosperityFeb 10 03:07
balzacthis is a factFeb 10 03:07
DaemonFCBallmer pays the IRS $12,812.50 a year towards Social SecurityFeb 10 03:07
balzacAnd I will try to give Rush Limbaugh a simultaneous stroke and heart attack with the power of telekenesisFeb 10 03:07
DaemonFCout of the millions he makes every yearFeb 10 03:07
balzacif he opposes me, I will do what i canFeb 10 03:08
DaemonFCcareful not to let him fall on youFeb 10 03:08
balzacyeahFeb 10 03:08
DaemonFChis corpse might pin you down and collapse your lungsFeb 10 03:08
DaemonFC:DFeb 10 03:08
balzaci'll stand clearFeb 10 03:08
balzacwell, I don't think I need to do thatFeb 10 03:09
cubezzzwell, rich dudes obviously don't need Social SecurityFeb 10 03:09
cubezzzunless they do something really stupidFeb 10 03:09
DaemonFCyou might be found with Rush on top of youFeb 10 03:09
balzacRush Limbaugh probably already realizes the futility of opposition on a subconscious levelFeb 10 03:09
DaemonFCimagine what people may think :)Feb 10 03:10
balzache is already trying to comply Feb 10 03:10
cubezzzI don't understand the world :-/Feb 10 03:10
cubezzzit seems like the jerks do great, and the nice people do crappyFeb 10 03:10
DaemonFCyou'd think as grotesquely obese as he is, with all the cigars he smokes, with all the Oxycontin he abuses, he'd be dead alreadyFeb 10 03:10
DaemonFCChris Farley didn't live as long as Rush hasFeb 10 03:11
cubezzzyeah, we can hope :)Feb 10 03:11
balzacwell, I'm trying to think if there is one person who is defiant without any doubtsFeb 10 03:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux User Discovers the Scary Thing Which is #Windows http://ur1.ca/ly6s http://ur1.ca/ly6tFeb 10 03:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: One Dad's Take: Why Windows Could be Worse Than Teen Dating | ITworld .::. Size~: 89.28 KBFeb 10 03:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Too Much Information: A sensation of wonder about technological developments .::. Size~: 75.18 KBFeb 10 03:11
cubezzzRush is a goofFeb 10 03:12
cubezzzreally, he's just a goofFeb 10 03:12
FurnaceBoydangerous goofFeb 10 03:12
DaemonFCI'm all for teen dating 18>, I want to get well into my 40s and find some 18 year old that wants me for my moneyFeb 10 03:12
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 03:12
balzacI don't know if there are any defiant monsters of narcissism with an opposing political viewFeb 10 03:12
balzacdick cheney shuts up for long periods of timeFeb 10 03:12
FurnaceBoypeople would cite OlbermannFeb 10 03:12
FurnaceBoyi dunno, i don't watch cableFeb 10 03:13
balzacwell, he's pretty goodFeb 10 03:13
schestowitz[03:00] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: I actually term this, now, the "Lottery" theory of life, when describing the US mindsetFeb 10 03:13
schestowitzIt comes from HollywoodFeb 10 03:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Users Raise Money for Charity in LCA 2010 http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/335434/linux_conf_raises_33_000_charity/Feb 10 03:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, reinforced byFeb 10 03:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Conf raises $33,000 for charity - open source, linux.conf.au. Linux Australia - Computerworld .::. Size~: 63.15 KBFeb 10 03:13
schestowitzA lot of it is optimismFeb 10 03:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did you ever read "Stiffed" ?Feb 10 03:13
cubezzzmake your own lottery :)Feb 10 03:13
cubezzzsell $10,000 in tickets and pay out $5000Feb 10 03:13
schestowitz90% of the population will want to have that green lawn with the two cars and the charming kids in a decent school without drugs and knideFeb 10 03:13
schestowitz*knivesFeb 10 03:14
DaemonFCschestowitz, I got a spam in the Yahell mail box I abandoned kinda sorta several years agoFeb 10 03:14
DaemonFCwell, 3,000 or so, but this one was funnyFeb 10 03:14
cubezzzschestowitz, I hate cutting the lawn, but people expect itFeb 10 03:14
DaemonFCI won the Microsoft-UK lotteryFeb 10 03:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yet, at the same time, have the schizophrenic attachment to arming themselves.Feb 10 03:14
DaemonFCI'm filthy stinking rich nowFeb 10 03:14
schestowitz[03:00] <balzac> more like a ponzi schemeFeb 10 03:14
schestowitzJust pyramid, I thinkFeb 10 03:14
DaemonFCall I have to do is wire them an advance feeFeb 10 03:14
schestowitzChain of commandsFeb 10 03:14
schestowitzSome people command nobodyFeb 10 03:14
cubezzzDaemonFC, good then you can paypal all of us a few bucks, right? :)Feb 10 03:14
schestowitzThey are mere slavsFeb 10 03:14
cubezzzhahahahaFeb 10 03:15
schestowitz"vassals" to  use a gentler termFeb 10 03:15
DaemonFCcubezzz, I promise to use my Microsoft-UK lottery millions for goodFeb 10 03:15
schestowitzSlaves got food and bedFeb 10 03:15
schestowitzWage slaves get a ghettoFeb 10 03:15
DaemonFCright after I finish doing all kinds of wickedness and depravity Feb 10 03:15
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 03:15
DaemonFCmaybe I'll commit the wickedness and depravity while hiring a PR firm to whitewash my public imageFeb 10 03:16
DaemonFCseems to work for all the other rich assholesFeb 10 03:16
balzacmake an opposing business planFeb 10 03:17
DaemonFCno, I'm strictly a not for profit depraved organizationFeb 10 03:18
DaemonFCa bona fide 501c(3) Feb 10 03:18
*DaemonFC grins and his teeth shineFeb 10 03:18
DaemonFCschestowitz will have to open up a second blog and hire a full time writing staff to keep up with meFeb 10 03:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Centre Established to Commemorate #GNU #Linux Advocate Bruno Knaapen http://ur1.ca/ly7qFeb 10 03:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Blog of Helios: The Bruno Knaapen Technology Learning Center is Established .::. Size~: 101.52 KBFeb 10 03:20
DaemonFCand then I'll pay Comcast and AT&T to block his siteFeb 10 03:20
DaemonFCand nobody in the USA will know what a complete bastard I amFeb 10 03:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open University Makes Another Small Steps Towards #GNU #Linux http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/OU-announces-Linux-course-924329.htmlFeb 10 03:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OU announces Linux course - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.12 KBFeb 10 03:21
DaemonFC"There likely will be Mac and Unix snapshots next week, but right now we're working overtime to get Windows ready for beta. Please keep your comments relevant to the Windows version this time around." -OperaFeb 10 03:24
DaemonFCcoolFeb 10 03:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Audio Professional Chooses #GNU #Linux http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36698-from-windows-to-linux-a-sound-decisionFeb 10 03:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Good State of the #GNU #Linux Desktop Experience in 2010 http://my.secondpad.com/the-linux-desktop-experience-for-2010Feb 10 03:26
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DaemonFCthen there hasn't been any Linux builds for a monthFeb 10 03:27
DaemonFC:PFeb 10 03:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ABC Finally Supports Desktop #GNU #Linux http://gnuski.blogspot.com/2010/02/abc-tv-now-allows-linux-users-to-watch.htmlFeb 10 03:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: lefty.crupps' GNUski bacon: ABC TV now allows Linux users to watch streaming media! .::. Size~: 18.52 KBFeb 10 03:28
cubezzzopera is closed sourceFeb 10 03:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Advocate #GNU #Linux to a Friend or Peer http://ur1.ca/ly8e http://ur1.ca/ly8fFeb 10 03:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Linux Advocacy: The Right Way .::. Size~: 106.01 KBFeb 10 03:29
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cubezzzCBC has changed the radio links again, lolFeb 10 03:29
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cubezzz" The permanent URLS have been changed."Feb 10 03:31
cubezzzwell, then they weren't "permanent" thenFeb 10 03:31
schestowitzprmalinksFeb 10 03:31
cubezzzis m3u a microsoft thing?Feb 10 03:32
schestowitznoFeb 10 03:33
schestowitzI used it back when Microsoft barely "discovered" mediaFeb 10 03:33
cubezzzfrom winamp I thinkFeb 10 03:34
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cubezzzanyways, it works with mplayer so no probFeb 10 03:34
DaemonFCcubezzz, m3u was from WinampFeb 10 03:34
schestowitzjust a listFeb 10 03:35
schestowitzHardly a formatFeb 10 03:36
schestowitzI used to view it as plain textFeb 10 03:36
schestowitzI think xmms handle it tooFeb 10 03:36
DaemonFCwpl is Microsoft'sFeb 10 03:36
DaemonFCcustom XMLFeb 10 03:36
cubezzzit's urksome that the URL keeps changingFeb 10 03:36
DaemonFCXPSF is also XML, but from Xiph.orgFeb 10 03:37
schestowitzgnFeb 10 03:37
DaemonFCwhat's weird is that my Sansa doesn't understand XSPF, but it's not like that mattersFeb 10 03:37
DaemonFCm3u works for Flac and VorbisFeb 10 03:37
sebsebsebDaemonFC Oh you were doing Ubuntu support.Feb 10 04:31
*DaemonFC looks at that channel sometimesFeb 10 04:32
sebsebsebI was rather active in it last yearFeb 10 04:32
DaemonFCLat FM is giving me a whole bunch of crap to ban right nowFeb 10 04:33
sebsebsebwhat?Feb 10 04:33
DaemonFCLast.FMFeb 10 04:33
DaemonFCI'm on my recommendation channelFeb 10 04:34
sebsebsebyes what's happening?Feb 10 04:34
DaemonFCit's recommending things that are totally pissing me offFeb 10 04:34
DaemonFC50's music, bands that bite in generalFeb 10 04:35
DaemonFClesbian stand-up comediansFeb 10 04:35
DaemonFCit's like a practical joke personalized just for meFeb 10 04:35
sebsebseblesbian stand up comedians?Feb 10 04:36
DaemonFCyeah, it just recommended Wanda SykesFeb 10 04:36
DaemonFCyuckFeb 10 04:36
DaemonFCOK, one Love after a series of about 20 BansFeb 10 04:36
sebsebsebwell I should be going to bed now reallyFeb 10 04:38
sebsebsebeither that or make this into a rather long dayFeb 10 04:38
sebsebsebso yeah bed soonFeb 10 04:38
sebsebsebDaemonFC byeFeb 10 04:39
DaemonFCnightFeb 10 04:39
DaemonFChttp://www.last.fm/user/Baron1984Feb 10 04:39
DaemonFChehFeb 10 04:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Baron1984’s Music Profile – Users at Last.fm .::. Size~: 132.16 KBFeb 10 04:39
DaemonFChttp://www.last.fm/user/Baron1984/libraryFeb 10 04:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Baron1984’s Library – Users at Last.fm .::. Size~: 54.93 KBFeb 10 04:39
DaemonFCmy entire libraryFeb 10 04:39
DaemonFCthat's all on my hard disk and on CDFeb 10 04:40
sebsebsebok a  quick lookFeb 10 04:40
DaemonFCsebsebseb, it's 52 pages longFeb 10 04:40
DaemonFClolFeb 10 04:40
DaemonFCand fairly eclectic Feb 10 04:41
sebsebseblet's go to pm quicklyFeb 10 04:42
sebsebsebjono will people be able to buy music in free formats from the music store?Feb 10 04:54
DaemonFCI can almost smell some kind of plug-in to Rhythmbox or Banshee that implements a front-end to Amazon MP3, sebsebseb Feb 10 04:55
DaemonFCIt wouldn't surprise me if Ubuntu does that and gets a few cents off every MP3 soldFeb 10 04:55
sebsebsebDaemonFC he said earlier that it's a plugin for Rhythombox ,but that Amazon isn't the providerFeb 10 04:55
DaemonFCprobably that 7digital thenFeb 10 04:56
DaemonFCor whatever it wasFeb 10 04:56
DaemonFCsebsebseb, http://www.7digital.com/Feb 10 04:56
DaemonFCthat would be my next guessFeb 10 04:56
DaemonFCthey have store fronts for the US and the UKFeb 10 04:57
DaemonFCso shoppers could be steered to the one that uses their currencyFeb 10 04:57
DaemonFCsebsebseb, jono is paid to say anything Ubuntu does is awesomeFeb 10 04:57
DaemonFCif Canonical wants to shit down your throat, jono's job it to say that's super fantasticFeb 10 04:58
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 04:58
DaemonFC*isFeb 10 04:58
sebsebsebDaemonFC  well   Ubuntu is global, they need to sell the music to other counteries as well reallyFeb 10 04:59
sebsebsebAsia etcFeb 10 04:59
DaemonFCwell, if they have the US, Canada, Europe, they already have most of the money they're going to makeFeb 10 04:59
DaemonFCthat's my opinionFeb 10 04:59
sebsebsebyeah that's probably true, oh and Australlia as well of courseFeb 10 05:00
sebsebseband New ZelandFeb 10 05:00
FurnaceBoytinyFeb 10 05:05
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy   tiny?Feb 10 05:06
FurnaceBoyaust+nzFeb 10 05:08
sebsebsebyeah I guess soFeb 10 05:08
sebsebsebanywayFeb 10 05:08
sebsebsebDaemonFC  FurnaceBoy  I should go now really, so bye for nowFeb 10 05:09
FurnaceBoyinteresting stats. 5% of Australians live outside Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_diasporaFeb 10 05:09
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FurnaceBoyeven higher for NZFeb 10 05:09
DaemonFCnightFeb 10 05:09
sebsebsebIRC really does suck me inFeb 10 05:09
sebsebseband now I am going to unsuck myself :DFeb 10 05:09
FurnaceBoy- the highest ratios in 2005 were for Ireland (29 Irish-born people aged 15 years and over in other OECD countries for every 100 in Ireland) and for New Zealand (19 per 100).Feb 10 05:09
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, John Howard AKA Mini-BushFeb 10 05:09
DaemonFCgot them going down the slippery slopeFeb 10 05:10
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes I am familiar with HowardFeb 10 05:10
sebsebsebby closing this stuff downFeb 10 05:10
DaemonFCsebsebseb, You're trying to unsuck yourself?Feb 10 05:10
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: he's just another Blair/Harper/Bush/Palin asshole racist coward liar Feb 10 05:10
DaemonFChmmmFeb 10 05:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC yes as in get off IRC, see aboveFeb 10 05:10
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, don't hold back, tell me how you REALLY feel!Feb 10 05:11
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: presumably that's why , like Bush, he was re-elected. enough morons voted.Feb 10 05:11
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The Republicans try to stop people from votingFeb 10 05:11
DaemonFCthe less turnout, the more elections the Republicans winFeb 10 05:11
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Australia has mandatory voting.Feb 10 05:11
DaemonFCuggghFeb 10 05:11
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Howard filled the press with bullshitFeb 10 05:11
DaemonFCdo you really get the $500 fine if you sit out?Feb 10 05:11
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and in fact, there were several major scandals, including Abu Ghraib, and a local affair called "children overboard". He was *still* re-elected.Feb 10 05:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's more like $50. and you only pay it if they can find you. :)Feb 10 05:12
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The mandatory vote is a copout, they can rig the election and still blame the people because everyone "voted"Feb 10 05:12
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes, like the USA, it's "election by media".Feb 10 05:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Murdoch Feb 10 05:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: he "fixed" Australia firstFeb 10 05:13
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: for his friends in high placesFeb 10 05:13
DaemonFCpeople are stupid, the ONLY issue is "taxes, gays, god, guns, and abortion"Feb 10 05:13
DaemonFCpeople are stupid, the ONLY issue is "taxes, gays, god, guns, and abortion"Feb 10 05:13
DaemonFCoopsFeb 10 05:13
DaemonFCwell, that's the only thing people latch ontoFeb 10 05:14
FurnaceBoyyou forgot "and the manufactured spectres of terrorism and islam"Feb 10 05:14
DaemonFCit's really polarizing, they don't stop and think that the candidates are clonesFeb 10 05:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: this is trueFeb 10 05:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: politics of divisionFeb 10 05:14
DaemonFCyeah, it's to keep people divided, fighting among themselvesFeb 10 05:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's why Palin has been put forward, she polarises just by virtue of her own anti-qualitiesFeb 10 05:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and BeckFeb 10 05:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the alcoholic cretinFeb 10 05:15
DaemonFCthey never notice that no matter WHO is in charge, taxes go up, abortions stay legal, gun control bills get enacted and repealed at about the same rateFeb 10 05:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: all of them.. if they can polarise, they're useful.Feb 10 05:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: wow, you figured out the shell game.. ooh is that a black helicopter I hear?Feb 10 05:15
FurnaceBoy29 Irish-born people aged 15 years and over in other OECD countries for every 100 in Ireland <-- imagine that.Feb 10 05:16
DaemonFCmass exodus?Feb 10 05:17
FurnaceBoywell, in Ireland, NZ case, it's explained by geography somewhat.Feb 10 05:17
FurnaceBoy"edge" psychologyFeb 10 05:17
FurnaceBoythe centre has a gravitational pullFeb 10 05:17
FurnaceBoynot to mention an economic/opportunity pullFeb 10 05:18
DaemonFCnot following youFeb 10 05:18
DaemonFCneither place is poorFeb 10 05:18
FurnaceBoyAust/NZ and Ireland are "edge" communities in their contextsFeb 10 05:18
FurnaceBoythey are poor in opportunity, even though the standard of living is sufficientFeb 10 05:18
FurnaceBoyit's a psychological thingFeb 10 05:19
FurnaceBoythe only reason Australia isn't an African-style basket case is natural resourcesFeb 10 05:19
FurnaceBoyand sadly, natural resource-driven economies are just a different kind of basket caseFeb 10 05:20
FurnaceBoyAustralia makes a good earning from CHinese exportsFeb 10 05:20
FurnaceBoywhich is why the govt there is in thrall to every whim of ChinaFeb 10 05:21
FurnaceBoysycophanticFeb 10 05:21
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Dependence on non-renewable resources is not healthy for anyone in the long termFeb 10 05:21
DaemonFCsure they're making money nowFeb 10 05:21
DaemonFCwhat happens when they reach peak output and their population is still growing?Feb 10 05:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right, that's what i meanFeb 10 05:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's a serious problem. Same with ALbertaFeb 10 05:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: except with Alberta, it's harder to hide the mess. major boff-upFeb 10 05:22
DaemonFCCanada is one of those countriesFeb 10 05:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yesFeb 10 05:22
DaemonFCcut down old growth forest and pump oilFeb 10 05:22
DaemonFCyeeehawFeb 10 05:22
FurnaceBoyCanada needs to get off that crackFeb 10 05:22
DaemonFCWhy don't you just start exporting Imaginary Property and borrowing money from China to bloat your military and threaten to level any country that fucks you you?Feb 10 05:23
DaemonFCseems to be working here B-)Feb 10 05:23
DaemonFC*with youFeb 10 05:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you'll love this article http://www.panamalaw.org/USA_exit_tax_for_expatriates.htmlFeb 10 05:24
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that role is taken, China is warming up to take it over.Feb 10 05:24
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I expect it will make the US look like a sane, benevolent custodianFeb 10 05:25
DaemonFCyeahFeb 10 05:25
DaemonFCwatch them invade Taiwan soonFeb 10 05:25
FurnaceBoyChinese expansionism is sickFeb 10 05:25
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FurnaceBoy*all* expansionism is sick.Feb 10 05:25
DaemonFCyeah, currency manipulation and lots of slave laborFeb 10 05:26
DaemonFCthat's their economyFeb 10 05:26
*FurnaceBoy wonders where rnb is, to challenge these absolutes ;-)Feb 10 05:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: washed down with a nice poison cocktail.Feb 10 05:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: China is the epitome of the non-renewable behaviourFeb 10 05:26
DaemonFCthey're making idle threats against us for selling Taiwan some military equipmentFeb 10 05:26
DaemonFChow do you sanction a company that doesn't even do business in your country!?Feb 10 05:27
DaemonFCI guess you can on paperFeb 10 05:27
FurnaceBoyhave you *read* the USA export embargo list?Feb 10 05:27
FurnaceBoyit is packed with foreign companies *and* individualsFeb 10 05:27
DaemonFCit would be a little like suing me in a Canadian courtFeb 10 05:27
DaemonFCI'd send back a letter telling you to go fuck yourself and something about the judge's motherFeb 10 05:28
FurnaceBoyit's a no-buy list.Feb 10 05:28
FurnaceBoypretty hilarious reading.Feb 10 05:28
DaemonFCI never got the point of suing someone in a foreign courtFeb 10 05:28
DaemonFCit's like those spammers that sued spamhaus in an Illinois court and got a judgement for millions of dollarsFeb 10 05:29
DaemonFConly Spamhaus is in the UK and just refused to payFeb 10 05:29
DaemonFCit reminds me of the pirate bay reiterating "Sweden is not a state in the United States"Feb 10 05:30
DaemonFCI still laugh every time I read thatFeb 10 05:30
DaemonFCbut anything that's a thorn in the side of the RIAA/MPAA/Apple/Microsoft all at once is OK in my book :)Feb 10 05:30
DaemonFCI wish that they live to be 1000Feb 10 05:31
DaemonFCand keep the pirate bay going all the whileFeb 10 05:31
DaemonFCI'd run a torrent tracker like theirs myself if I thought I could get away with itFeb 10 05:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] world's deadliest poison injected as part of most common *elective!* cosmetic surgery procedure http://kenta.blogspot.com/2009/03/botox.htmlFeb 10 05:38
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FurnaceBoyhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/all_subversive.htmlFeb 10 05:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Schneier on Security: All Subversive Organizations Now Must Register in South Carolina .::. Size~: 64.91 KBFeb 10 05:38
DaemonFC"Does the Republican Party count as an organization that "directly ... advocates ... controlling ... the government"? I think it does. I think all political parties count under that definition."Feb 10 05:42
DaemonFClmaoFeb 10 05:42
DaemonFC"At $5 a pop, it's much more price conscious entertainment per hour to submit the dozens of organizations that qualify and watch them deal with the results."Feb 10 05:43
DaemonFClmfaoFeb 10 05:43
FurnaceBoyniteFeb 10 05:43
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bleh, my lips are sealed :XFeb 10 07:07
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DaemonFC"I like to say that 10% of the world is saints, 10% are sinners, and 80% are morons that just pick a side and follow just because they observed people doing things that way." -meFeb 10 07:42
DaemonFCherd mentality is dangerousFeb 10 07:45
DaemonFCthere's a reason that this year's budget proposal takes a weed whacker to programs that had been getting their budget for years after their usefulness was goneFeb 10 07:46
DaemonFCnobody countermands an order and all kind of hell breaks looseFeb 10 07:47
DaemonFC"This page intentionally left blank."Feb 10 07:48
DaemonFCEruaran, Why would they leave a blank page intentionally?Feb 10 07:48
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "when Linux nerd meets windows herd" http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/02/when-linux-nerds-choose-mates-from.html #hilarious #funFeb 10 08:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Blog of Helios: When Linux Nerds Choose Mates from the Windows Herd. .::. Size~: 112.24 KBFeb 10 08:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Experience of Ordering #GNU #Linux at #Dell and How It Can Improve http://ur1.ca/lypu http://ur1.ca/lypvFeb 10 08:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dell Ubuntu Order Experience | www.baablogic.net .::. Size~: 34.05 KBFeb 10 08:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Memo to Dell: Sort Out Your Ubuntu Strategy | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 40.84 KBFeb 10 08:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Server Distribution #CloudLinux http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting-news/020810_Inside_CloudLinuxs_New_Linux_Based_Cloud_OSFeb 10 08:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Inside CloudLinux's New Linux-Based Cloud OS - Web Hosting Industry News | Daily Web Hosting News and Web Host Interviews" .::. Size~: 41.26 KBFeb 10 08:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Service Around #Ksplice in #Linux #Kernel Space http://ur1.ca/lyq1 http://ur1.ca/lyq2Feb 10 08:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Ksplice debuts zero downtime service for Linux .::. Size~: 132.57 KBFeb 10 08:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Amnesia: The Dark Descent” (Game) is Coming to #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14762Feb 10 08:59
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DaemonFCMS Was threatening that they had patents on what Ksplice doesFeb 10 08:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux 6.0 Needs More Time to Develop http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Debian-6-0-Squeeze-behind-schedule-925778.htmlFeb 10 09:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pandora to be Released ( #Linux on Small Console), #Nook (Linux-based) Updated http://ur1.ca/lyrm http://ur1.ca/lyrnFeb 10 09:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Leads the Way in Many Areas Already http://www.itpro.co.uk/620266/top-10-areas-where-open-source-leads-the-wayFeb 10 09:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Jolicloud ( #GNU / #Linux ) http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/jolicloud.htmlFeb 10 09:24
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @sup3rkiddo: RT @24camp : Check out the logos for #24camp and comment on them - http://bit.ly/dpBOiDFeb 10 09:27
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DaemonFChttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/118098.htmlFeb 10 09:30
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DaemonFCThe only thing that can be guaranteed to work is "don't trust the BIOS and verify that it's not lying to you"Feb 10 09:35
DaemonFC28 year old legacy BIOS crap strikes again!Feb 10 09:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.2.0 is Officially Released http://ur1.ca/lysn http://ur1.ca/lysoFeb 10 09:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Milestone for #Clang http://blog.llvm.org/2010/02/clang-successfully-self-hosts.htmlFeb 10 09:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ogg Support 'Injected' Into More #Windows Machines http://ur1.ca/llts #silverlie #lockin #msie #dbdFeb 10 09:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HTML5 Theora Video Codec for Silverlight | Alp Toker .::. Size~: 80.74 KBFeb 10 09:41
DaemonFChttp://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth_at_LinuxconFeb 10 09:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mark Shuttleworth at Linuxcon - Geek Feminism Wiki .::. Size~: 45.67 KBFeb 10 09:42
DaemonFCShuttleworth is a misogynist Feb 10 09:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CivilRights and Personal #Security Compromised with #Surveillance http://ur1.ca/lyt9 http://ur1.ca/lyta http://ur1.ca/lytbFeb 10 09:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FBI calls for two year retention for ISP data • The Register .::. Size~: 21.62 KBFeb 10 09:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why SWIFT data proliferation is counter-terrorism gone worse «  Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 19.53 KBFeb 10 09:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Kennard goes Mad Rhino on SWIFT «  Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 18.23 KBFeb 10 09:43
DaemonFChttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/114437.htmlFeb 10 09:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: mjg59: Defective by Design .::. Size~: 37.22 KBFeb 10 09:44
DaemonFCroflFeb 10 09:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Had enough of being ill now. Feels like I have been laid up forever. Doc says he doesn't want to see me unless still ill on monday #fbFeb 10 09:44
DaemonFChttp://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/defective.htmlFeb 10 09:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's a knee slapper, yes?Feb 10 09:45
schestowitzNoFeb 10 09:47
schestowitzMarkS seems just apatheticFeb 10 09:47
schestowitzHe is being picked on, IMHOFeb 10 09:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, I meant the spam relay that FSF opened upFeb 10 09:47
DaemonFCoh, well, he's still being insensitive if not an outright prickFeb 10 09:48
DaemonFCWould YOU think that saying basically that women just don't get it is a good thing to say?Feb 10 09:49
DaemonFCit sounds bad and there's just no other way you can take what he said than to take it as an insult directed at womenFeb 10 09:49
DaemonFCIf he said "those black people just don't get what Linux is all about"Feb 10 09:50
DaemonFCpeople would be out for his headFeb 10 09:50
schestowitzThere is a troll on OOo and Ubuntu listsFeb 10 09:53
schestowitzNoOPFeb 10 09:53
schestowitzHe didn't say "those women just don't get what Linux is all about"Feb 10 09:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even #Windows Fans Turn Their Backs on #Vista7 #Hype http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/10/vista-7-give-up-on-hype/ #battery #pr #failFeb 10 10:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Even Windows Fans Turn Their Backs on Vista 7 Hype | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 83.35 KBFeb 10 10:06
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DaemonFCwell, there's a pile of snow as tall as I am out there nowFeb 10 10:13
DaemonFCI'm going out every 4-5 hours and shoveling my driveway :PFeb 10 10:14
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Huffington Post. Is Israel becoming unhinged? A Loose Cannon in a Volatile Region. http://is.gd/84wfm #occupation #palestineFeb 10 10:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sharmine Narwani: Israel Coming Unhinged?  A Loose Cannon in a Volatile Region .::. Size~: 314.45 KBFeb 10 10:17
DaemonFChttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/112990.htmlFeb 10 10:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: mjg59: Chrome OS .::. Size~: 71.66 KBFeb 10 10:31
DaemonFCI like himFeb 10 10:31
DaemonFC"The best example of a Linux vendor working with OEMs is probably Canonical, and their enthusiasm for merging hardware support code in their OEM-specific distributions has led to things like touchpad gesture support based on using a known security hole or drivers that reimplement one that's already mainline."Feb 10 10:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Harper’s Article on @BillGates Turning Hunger Into Profit http://ur1.ca/lywp #food #cartel #gmo #monsanto #petcharityFeb 10 10:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Harpers Article on Bill Gates Turning Hunger Into Profit | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.53 KBFeb 10 10:33
amarsh04inventors programme on ABC-TV (.au) just showed this: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s2811710.htmFeb 10 10:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: New Inventors: Connex .::. Size~: 21.03 KBFeb 10 10:39
amarsh04I don't like oem-specific distros, especially if they hide non-free drivers insideFeb 10 10:40
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oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-wins-windows-xp-wga-lawsuit.arsFeb 10 10:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft wins Windows XP WGA lawsuit .::. Size~: 27.71 KBFeb 10 10:50
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] I was just refused admission to a website for the first time because I am running adblock plus. I expect this to become more common.Feb 10 10:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is once again using the #BritishLibrary to promote its own agenda and extend its grip over society’s assets http://ur1.ca/lyxyFeb 10 10:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: British Library and Microsoft Corrupt the Meaning of “Open Source” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.83 KBFeb 10 10:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Blocked site was http://is.gd/84CuTFeb 10 10:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: You must disable or remove Adblock to visit this website. .::. Size~: 2.05 KBFeb 10 10:57
amarsh04http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Roadshow-Films-gave-500k-to-political-parties/0,130061791,339300940,00.htmFeb 10 11:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Roadshow Films gave $500k to political parties - News - Communications - ZDNet Australia .::. Size~: 85.01 KBFeb 10 11:03
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pawel_121another .net infected app: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Pinta-Paint-NET-clone-for-Linux-and-Mac-OS-X-925993.htmlFeb 10 11:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pinta: Paint.NET clone for Linux and Mac OS X - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.42 KBFeb 10 11:14
pawel_121idiots even released this under MIT X11 licenseFeb 10 11:16
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EruaranThese people don't contribute anything usefulFeb 10 11:20
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Hmm it seems cpalead are survey spammers.Feb 10 11:22
schestowitzEruaran: it's from a Novell employeeFeb 10 11:25
schestowitzPinta I meanFeb 10 11:25
EruaranNo surprise thereFeb 10 11:31
EruaranIts bad enough that we have parents regularly coming into the store to buy Microsoft software because the school forces them to purchase itFeb 10 11:36
EruaranStudents at a local school who already have notebooks with XP Home on them cannot connect to the schools domain, and the school requires them to use Windows... so its XP Pro or Win7 ProFeb 10 11:38
EruaranAnd yes, they require them to use WindowsFeb 10 11:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft continues to ruin companies that it is getting in contact with http://ur1.ca/lz1z #mono #ubuntu #canonical #novellFeb 10 11:38
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EruaranHow much shall we bet that Pinta ends up in UbuntuFeb 10 11:40
EruaranForgive my cynicism, but it comes from many years of bitter experience.Feb 10 11:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Time for more toast. All I've eaten for 3 days is toast and apples.Feb 10 11:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #StarWars as told by a new generation http://ur1.ca/lz2v !miotdFeb 10 11:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lack of Health Care Kills Way More People than Al-Qaeda http://ur1.ca/lz30Feb 10 11:57
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lack of Health Care Kills Way More People than Al-Qaeda  - GOOD Blog - GOOD .::. Size~: 39.05 KBFeb 10 11:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? http://ur1.ca/lz37 !miotdFeb 10 12:02
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] the evolution of apple ads http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/09/the-evolution-of-apple-ads/Feb 10 12:07
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] If there were companies in the 70's as restrictive and unfree as Apple is today, Jobs and Wozniak would have never gotten far with the Mac.Feb 10 12:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Temporal paradox #fail http://ur1.ca/lz4pFeb 10 12:12
schestowitzCanonical seems a little 'poisoned'Feb 10 12:16
schestowitz@glynmoody Spencer is the guy who proposed removing the GIMP in July and announced the Yahoo! dealFeb 10 12:16
schestowitzHe comes from MicrosoftFeb 10 12:16
schestowitzNow managing at Canonical.Feb 10 12:16
schestowitzEruaran: yesFeb 10 12:17
schestowitzI'm doing a post about it at the momentFeb 10 12:17
schestowitzMicrosoft in eductrinationFeb 10 12:17
EruaranI am surprised, frustrated and saddened that after decades of watching Microsoft's established pattern of predictably mendacious behaviour, people and companies apparently still haven't learned a thing. I would have thought it prudent for anyone directing a company to be suspicious of Microsoft at best, but as usual it plays out like a Monty Python sketch.Feb 10 12:22
oiaohmEruaran: Linux always recovers.Feb 10 12:35
oiaohmRemember MS describing Linux has a multi headed beast.Feb 10 12:36
oiaohmIf they kill Ubuntu it will not be the first distribution they have killed.Feb 10 12:36
oiaohmLinux just grows a new head and keeps on going.Feb 10 12:37
Eruaranoiaohm: true, I take heart from thisFeb 10 12:37
oiaohmReally neither is learning.Feb 10 12:38
oiaohmMS is not learning that Linux is resistant to killing.Feb 10 12:39
oiaohmOne thing good has come out of these mono application push against open source world.  More open source projects are looking at there interfaces and improving them.Feb 10 12:40
oiaohmThe nature of linux the more it attacked the strong it becomes.Feb 10 12:41
oiaohmOther thing Eruaran lot of the large Unix world in the suppers have already tried all the stunts MS is trying now against Linux.Feb 10 12:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/b0QnsR Toast + apple + sugar + water + cinnamon = yum!Feb 10 12:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DSCF0193 on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 47 KBFeb 10 12:44
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rap about Super Mario Land http://ur1.ca/lz7bFeb 10 12:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Daniel Diaz speed paints Ironman http://ur1.ca/lz80 !miotdFeb 10 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Georgia , #Kentucky , #Colorado , and #Sunderland Receive the #Microsoft #EDGI Treatment http://ur1.ca/lz89Feb 10 12:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Georgia, Kentucky, Colorado, and Sunderland Receive the Microsoft EDGI Treatment | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.4 KBFeb 10 12:54
schestowitzEruaran: Microsoft us running out of optionsFeb 10 12:57
schestowitzLet it waste the money it has leftFeb 10 12:57
schestowitzit can't fund development by giving away so many free copies of cash cows like Windows and OfficeFeb 10 12:57
schestowitzMicrosoft's CFO quitFeb 10 12:57
schestowitzThey don't do well financiallyFeb 10 12:57
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oiaohmThe battle has not even really started.Feb 10 12:57
EruaranSometimes a bunch of things happen at once and I tend to get a bit gloomy.Feb 10 12:58
schestowitzLet the WIndows AstrTurfers brag about their 99.5% market share in "computers"Feb 10 12:58
oiaohmschestowitz: the game can get way worse when samba can do active directory with group policies someone will get the idea of having NAS auto deploy items like OpenOffice KDE and Firefox on windows.Feb 10 12:58
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, they have to let them do itFeb 10 12:58
oiaohmEven better auto updating.Feb 10 12:58
schestowitzEU Commission ordersFeb 10 12:58
schestowitzOr huge finesFeb 10 12:59
oiaohmKey battles for war were won in the last 10 years.Feb 10 12:59
oiaohmOnes if we had lost Open Source would not stand a chance any time soon.Feb 10 12:59
schestowitzIt's snowing heavily all of a sudden, since 2 minutes ago.....Feb 10 13:00
schestowitzI heard good news from a friend in Bay AreaFeb 10 13:00
kecskebakGlobal warming ;)Feb 10 13:00
schestowitzSF schools move to FOSS, some of themFeb 10 13:01
schestowitzkecskebak: yes, statisticallyFeb 10 13:01
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/02/two-billion-transistor-beasts-power7-and-niagara-3.ars  Nice scary new sparc chips.Feb 10 13:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Two billion-transistor beasts: POWER7 and Niagara 3 .::. Size~: 32.96 KBFeb 10 13:01
schestowitz2009 was the hottest ever recorded, IIRCFeb 10 13:01
kecskebakYes, course it was.Feb 10 13:01
kecskebakSorry, I should be serious.Feb 10 13:01
schestowitzI like it when people use the snow exampleFeb 10 13:01
oiaohmIe 16 cores each handling 8 threads each that is one scary chip.Feb 10 13:02
schestowitzIt reminds me of people who say, "smoking ain't bad cause me and my pa smoked for 50 years and got no illness from it"Feb 10 13:02
kecskebakWell, my Dad said to me on the phone this week "Global warming - would be a bloody good idea".Feb 10 13:02
schestowitzDimming... global.Feb 10 13:02
schestowitzIt's not the only issueFeb 10 13:02
schestowitzPeak oil is biggerFeb 10 13:02
schestowitzLack of extraction resourcesFeb 10 13:02
kecskebakThe fact there won't be any fish left soonFeb 10 13:02
oiaohmDepends where.  kecskebakFeb 10 13:03
schestowitzPollutants like cyanide in the water that reaches embryos...Feb 10 13:03
schestowitzPlanet Earth on overdriveFeb 10 13:03
schestowitzkecskebak: yes, decadesFeb 10 13:03
oiaohmWe are having to use patrol boats to keep humans out of our fish zones.Feb 10 13:03
schestowitzI still eat a lot of fish while it lastsFeb 10 13:03
kecskebakI'm a vegetarian - use less carbon that wayFeb 10 13:03
kecskebakYou see, I'm not all bad :Á)Feb 10 13:04
schestowitzMy uncle (I have just one) said this 10 years ago... that they would run outFeb 10 13:04
schestowitzHe's a judgeFeb 10 13:04
oiaohmIf I could live as a vegetrain I would be a budhist monk.  kecskebakFeb 10 13:04
kecskebakI've been a vegetarian since Jan 1991Feb 10 13:04
MinceRall aboard the vege-train?Feb 10 13:04
schestowitzIt doesn't work well for weight lifers..Feb 10 13:05
kecskebakWell, don't lift weightsFeb 10 13:05
oiaohmkecskebak: Problem with me as vegetrain I eat until I vomit and I am still hungry.  Feb 10 13:05
schestowitzBut the anti-radicals (Was that the name?) make life longerFeb 10 13:05
oiaohmJust say I am not vegetarian compadible.  kecskebakFeb 10 13:05
kecskebakI don't drive eitherFeb 10 13:06
schestowitzMaybe you lack proteinFeb 10 13:06
schestowitzYou get cravings for fish/meat?Feb 10 13:06
kecskebakI don't like pollution, but I'm not convinced on global warmingFeb 10 13:06
kecskebakNo, neverFeb 10 13:06
kecskebakI don't miss anythingFeb 10 13:06
schestowitzSome people need to driveFeb 10 13:06
oiaohmMy body cannot make particular proteins.Feb 10 13:06
schestowitzTrucks.Feb 10 13:06
kecskebakI know, but in Hungary I've managed on public transport and liftsFeb 10 13:06
schestowitzTo stock food we need transportationFeb 10 13:06
oiaohmSome of us can be vegetarian some of use cannot be.Feb 10 13:07
schestowitzAlso to plow efficientlyFeb 10 13:07
kecskebakOf course we do, but if I have a bus stop outside my door do I need to drive?Feb 10 13:07
schestowitzGaragesFeb 10 13:07
schestowitzSame with cell phonesFeb 10 13:07
kecskebakI'm not saying it's right for everyone, particularly in rural areasFeb 10 13:07
schestowitzIt's not about being cheap, it's just an extra burden sometimesFeb 10 13:07
schestowitzSome people need cell phonesFeb 10 13:07
schestowitzPlumbers MUST have themFeb 10 13:07
kecskebakBut it's funny that I'm not convinced on global warming and I've probably got a lower carbon footprint than a lot of the people who are completely convinced of itFeb 10 13:08
schestowitzNoFeb 10 13:08
oiaohmIf I did want to cut down on foot print.  I could concider insects but I cannot bring myself to eat them.Feb 10 13:08
schestowitzAfricaFeb 10 13:08
schestowitzThere you have like 1/16 the energy consumption of an avg USianFeb 10 13:08
schestowitzPer capita I manFeb 10 13:08
schestowitz*meanFeb 10 13:08
kecskebakNotice how interested America is in Africa at the moment?Feb 10 13:09
oiaohmAustralia has major transport problems.Feb 10 13:09
oiaohmWe are too spreed out.Feb 10 13:09
schestowitzkecskebak: otherwise China takes over itFeb 10 13:09
kecskebakExactlyFeb 10 13:09
schestowitzFrance was tooFeb 10 13:09
schestowitzUntapped resource of many materials with..... CHEAP labour to extract themFeb 10 13:10
schestowitzWorld Bank helps Gates colonise Africa nowFeb 10 13:10
schestowitzANd MonsantoFeb 10 13:10
kecskebakIt's interesting that the areas with the most natural resources are always at war all the time.Feb 10 13:10
oiaohmIf carbon research speeds up.Feb 10 13:10
schestowitzGreen Revolution in Africa is also backed by RockefellersFeb 10 13:10
oiaohmLot of the gobal natual resources would not be required.Feb 10 13:10
oiaohmNo its not strange.Feb 10 13:11
oiaohmBig advantage of natural resources is money.Feb 10 13:11
oiaohmWith money you can buy weapons so you can have bigger and bigger wars.Feb 10 13:11
Eruaranhttp://www.computerworld.com.au/article/335623/curtin_university_touches_surface_education_medicine/Feb 10 13:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Curtin University touches Surface for education, medicine - microsoft surface, Curtin University of Technology - Computerworld .::. Size~: 64.1 KBFeb 10 13:11
oiaohmHuman greed at work.Feb 10 13:11
kecskebakGood posts about the BBC on BN recently. I love the term MSBBC.Feb 10 13:11
EruaranUniversity of fail...Feb 10 13:11
kecskebakI bet they'll try and stitch you up sooner or later.Feb 10 13:11
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Eruaran" In order to develop custom applications, the university will need to purchase at least one Surface SDK, at a cost of $24,500 bundled with a Surface device."Feb 10 13:12
EruaranYou really have to wonder about some Universities...Feb 10 13:12
oiaohmReallyFeb 10 13:13
oiaohmEruaran: What price do you think Uni's have to pay for SurfaceFeb 10 13:13
Eruaranoiaohm: I don't knowFeb 10 13:14
oiaohmAbout 5000Feb 10 13:14
oiaohmCost. EruaranFeb 10 13:14
EruaranI didn't expect they'd pay the full $21000 price tagFeb 10 13:14
kecskebakTalking of huge sums of money, I found this interesting: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17426Feb 10 13:14
oiaohmMS is desperate to get apps.Feb 10 13:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: It Is Now Mathematically Impossible To Pay Off The U.S. National Debt .::. Size~: 57.35 KBFeb 10 13:14
oiaohmIts not exactly Mathematically impossible kecskebakFeb 10 13:15
oiaohmWhat currency is the USA debt writen in kecskebakFeb 10 13:16
kecskebakBut to print more, you have to borrow money from the FedFeb 10 13:16
schestowitzEruaran: that Univrsity thing is an IDG advertFeb 10 13:16
kecskebakTo print dollars, you have to borrow more dollars.Feb 10 13:16
kecskebakThat's why it's impossible.Feb 10 13:17
schestowitzEruaran: see how it's written. It's like those case studies Microsoft does by having the PR agency contact $journalistFeb 10 13:17
Eruaranschestowitz: yesFeb 10 13:17
kecskebakUK journalists call that churnalismFeb 10 13:17
oiaohmWhat is the solution kecskebak many contries have solved it.Feb 10 13:17
schestowitzkecskebak: BBC already responded to me many timsFeb 10 13:17
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schestowitzGuardian tooFeb 10 13:18
schestowitzTheir editorFeb 10 13:18
kecskebakI bet they were delightedFeb 10 13:18
oiaohmSimple 100 percent devalue the currenry in trouble and create a new one problem solved.  kecskebakFeb 10 13:18
kecskebakYes, but sadly I can't see that happeningFeb 10 13:18
kecskebakThe US national debt should be written offFeb 10 13:19
oiaohmThat is the mathmatical solution to the problem.Feb 10 13:19
kecskebakAs Michael Hudson says, debts that can't be paid, won't beFeb 10 13:19
schestowitzkecskebak: no, they only annoy me more when they contact meFeb 10 13:19
schestowitzIt's not good for them to try to police coverageFeb 10 13:19
schestowitzyesterday jono asked for my address to post me a Ubuntu t-shirtFeb 10 13:20
schestowitzIt feels a bit like they try to stop me from criticising the companyFeb 10 13:20
schestowitzBecause of the timingFeb 10 13:20
oiaohmindonesia did another solution.  kecskebakFeb 10 13:20
kecskebakThe sewing will be good - he's good at stictching things upFeb 10 13:20
schestowitz"I want to see free software, delivered via Ubuntu, become the most ubiquitous platform in the world for users and developers, available to all, respecting local languages and culture, and inspiring innovation and sharing." http://blog.joeb454.com/2010/02/an-interview-with-jono/Feb 10 13:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: An Interview With Jono « Joe Blog's .::. Size~: 39.94 KBFeb 10 13:20
oiaohmCreative but also effective kecskebakFeb 10 13:20
schestowitzkecskebak: it can be repaidFeb 10 13:20
kecskebakI don't think it should be repaidFeb 10 13:20
schestowitzBy the kids and grandkids whose future the current generation mortgagesFeb 10 13:20
oiaohmAssigned a square meter of land the value of there debt they could not repay and handed over a square meter of land for the debt.   kecskebakFeb 10 13:21
schestowitzThey will service debt to the IMF/WBFeb 10 13:21
schestowitzChina was smartFeb 10 13:21
schestowitzIt just let the US have as much money as it wantedFeb 10 13:21
oiaohmThere are ways out.Feb 10 13:21
schestowitzUntil it suffocated and choked... not good for us in the West, but China was smartFeb 10 13:21
schestowitzThe US exhausted the USSRFeb 10 13:21
kecskebakThe way out is to write off the debt in my viewFeb 10 13:21
oiaohmChina has production.Feb 10 13:21
kecskebakI don't think the debts should be repaidFeb 10 13:21
schestowitzkecskebak: it must be repaidFeb 10 13:22
oiaohmOne day when china closes it boarders again countries the like USA will go to hell.Feb 10 13:22
kecskebakWhy?Feb 10 13:22
oiaohmNo trade kecskebakFeb 10 13:22
schestowitzUnless there's something like post-Versay[spelling] treatyFeb 10 13:22
oiaohmIf you cannot stand on your own feet you have to pay your debts.Feb 10 13:23
oiaohmYou think how long USA would last without imports.Feb 10 13:23
schestowitzkecskebak: the US is in bad rel' with the UNFeb 10 13:23
schestowitzBar the likes of GatesFeb 10 13:23
schestowitzThe rich and 'lovely' people who play globalistsFeb 10 13:23
schestowitzThe Greek won't offer sympathy to the USFeb 10 13:23
oiaohmWhat does the USA really export to service there debt.Feb 10 13:24
schestowitzNor Japan, Korea.....Feb 10 13:24
schestowitzThe US daemonises China a lotFeb 10 13:24
schestowitzCaricaturesFeb 10 13:24
schestowitzI'm trying to be immune to this hypocritical portrayalFeb 10 13:24
schestowitzLast night I watched the second part of that BBC series from AlekFeb 10 13:24
schestowitzShe's playing along with the "anti-China" storyFeb 10 13:24
schestowitzShame on her and the BBCFeb 10 13:25
schestowitzI like how Pilger described the genesis of the BBCFeb 10 13:25
schestowitzIt's still a nationalist tool of control, like CNN (or CNN on steroids -- FOX)Feb 10 13:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT: @PlaneMad THANK YOU FOR STEALING MY WORK, Times Of India http://bit.ly/aAkSuj #toistealsFeb 10 13:25
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schestowitzoiaohm: "IP"Feb 10 13:25
oiaohmChina law has no respect for IP.Feb 10 13:26
schestowitzChina has now more patents than the USFeb 10 13:26
oiaohmClone products are normal in china.Feb 10 13:26
schestowitzThey beat them in their own games and establish their own standards tooFeb 10 13:26
oiaohmOnly thing illegal in china is selling a clone as real.Feb 10 13:26
schestowitzChina is at least sticking to ZRAND, which makes them more reasonable then the USPTO+affiliatesFeb 10 13:26
schestowitzISO in in Basel or Geneva IIRCFeb 10 13:26
oiaohmIf you sell it as clone even if its a perfect clone.  it legal.Feb 10 13:26
schestowitzSame with WIPO, the patent bastardsFeb 10 13:27
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, different economicsFeb 10 13:27
schestowitzSame with copyrightsFeb 10 13:27
schestowitzThey still do kind of OKFeb 10 13:27
schestowitzStiglitz was asked to write a preface for a 'ripoff' of his bookFeb 10 13:27
schestowitzHe says he was happy toFeb 10 13:28
schestowitzNo income, but he can get millions of more readers in CHinaFeb 10 13:28
schestowitzIt boils down to economics reallyFeb 10 13:28
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ROFL: http://pratul.in/with_great_power_comes_great_responsibility That made my day :D (via @sup3rkiddo) post it in bash.org guys ;-)Feb 10 13:32
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kecskebakTrying to squeeze out more debt service than a country could pay requires an oppressive and extractive fiscal and financial regime, Keynes warned, which in turn would inspire a nationalistic political reaction to break free of creditor-nation demands. This is what happened in the 1920s when Germany’s economy was wrecked by the rigid ideology of the sanctity of debt.Feb 10 13:32
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schestowitzhttp://reviewglitz.com/2010/02/can-xfce-desktop-environment-an-alternative-to-gnome-and-kde/ "Another plus: Linux job openings on the Dice.com job website rose by 5.5% during the last half of 2009 (June was the bottom of last year's IT job market) in contrast to Windows listings which dropped by 4% during the same period. The salary findings were tallied by Dice.com based on the responses of 16,908 registered job seekers and site Feb 10 13:34
schestowitzvisitors from Aug. 24 to Nov. 12, 2009."Feb 10 13:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Can XXFCE Desktop Environment an alternative to Gnome and Kde ?  | REVIEWGLITZ .::. Size~: 39.42 KBFeb 10 13:35
schestowitzTrend is consistentFeb 10 13:35
oiaohmHumans repeat there mistakes.  schestowitzFeb 10 13:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I called the Co-Op suggesting we may have had food poisoning from them. They wrote today saying no other complaints & a £10 gift token :)Feb 10 13:42
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schestowitz“First, I don’t think the mono flamewar should be attributed to Ubuntu but to Gnome. AFAIK, the best mono supporter is Miguel De Icaza and not Shuttleworth." http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/02/09/is-canonical-becoming-the-new-microsoft/comment-page-1/#comment-12314Feb 10 13:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/02/10/follow-up-post-to-canonical-microsoft/Feb 10 13:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591112/is-unixFeb 10 14:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] for @czajkowski and @izzard New blog post: "Pick me up with Apples & Toast" http://bit.ly/aTFy0SFeb 10 14:02
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schestowitzSchneier messed up: Feb 10 14:04
schestowitzOutguessing the TerroristsFeb 10 14:04
schestowitzIsn't it a bit embarrassing for an "expert on counter-terrorism" to be quoted as saying this?Feb 10 14:04
schestowitz    Bill Tupman, an expert on counter-terrorism from Exeter University, told BBC News: "The problem is trying to predict the mind of the al-Qaeda planner; there are so many things they might do.Feb 10 14:04
schestowitz    "And it is also necessary to reassure the public that we are trying to outguess the al-Qaeda planner and we are in the process of protecting them from any threat."Feb 10 14:04
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/outguessing_the.htmlFeb 10 14:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Schneier on Security: Outguessing the Terrorists .::. Size~: 49.42 KBFeb 10 14:04
schestowitzAnd here: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/all_subversive.htmlFeb 10 14:04
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schestowitz"EDITED TO ADD (2/9): I misquoted the statute......."Feb 10 14:04
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schestowitzMeh. http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/02/10/0056257/Is-Internet-Explorer-67-Support-Required-NowFeb 10 14:08
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schestowitzhttp://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3212357/microsoft-off-the-hook-for-sneaky-windows-drm/?olo=rssFeb 10 14:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft off the hook for sneaky Windows DRM - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 124.55 KBFeb 10 14:12
schestowitz"@josephtartakoff Bing's market share is around 3%. US != world"Feb 10 14:14
schestowitzMicrosoft boosters... I'm tired of them.. http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/8879428456Feb 10 14:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: Bing's share up another 0. ... .::. Size~: 10.38 KBFeb 10 14:14
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/paul-cautions-neocon-influence-infiltrating-tea-parties/Feb 10 14:14
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schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/colbert-palin-retard/Feb 10 14:16
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schestowitzObama would destroy Palin in hypothetical race, poll finds http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/US100201/Obama/Complete%20February%208,%202010%20USA%20Poll%20Release%20and%20Tables.pdfFeb 10 14:16
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schestowitz"When a cigarette burns, nicotine is released in the form of a vapor that collects and condenses on indoor surfaces such as walls, carpeting, drapes and furniture, where it can linger for months, said the study, which was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)." http://rawstory.com/2010/02/study-hand-smoke-bad/Feb 10 14:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Study: Third hand smoke also bad for you |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 38.37 KBFeb 10 14:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The first paragraphs here sheds light on why "unemployment" numbers are 'faked' (definition warped): http://ur1.ca/lzezFeb 10 14:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: US economy sheds 20,000 jobs in January • The Register .::. Size~: 23.09 KBFeb 10 14:23
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/05/asay_canonical/ "Before Alfreso, Asay had been an open-source evangelist at Novell and was general manager for embedded Linux start-up Lineo. "Feb 10 14:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Canonical scoops Alfresco man for operations • The Register .::. Size~: 22.48 KBFeb 10 14:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Not to be outdone by @theopenlearning , "Apple Is The New Microsoft" http://bit.ly/aeEJrB - not Canonical :pFeb 10 14:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Is The New Microsoft .::. Size~: 86.12 KBFeb 10 14:27
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #thoughtful RD: @glynmoody: Internet Software Patents - http://bit.ly/brPiIg not new, but with fascinating historical anecdotes #swpatsFeb 10 14:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] OOo is becoming almost as popular as #Firefox in #Germany http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/09/openoffice_is_big_in_germany/Feb 10 14:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenOffice is the new David Hasselhoff • The Register .::. Size~: 24.88 KBFeb 10 14:32
schestowitzzdnet down?Feb 10 14:37
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/wage_increase/Feb 10 14:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech salaries up slightly • The Register .::. Size~: 20.08 KBFeb 10 14:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Has bough #TheLostSymbol by #DanBrown just yesterday evening and has already reached chapter 14 in it. So far so good. :-)Feb 10 14:41
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schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/08/loran.navigation.shutdown/index.htmlFeb 10 14:49
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] அன்பிற்கும் உண்டோ அடைக்குந்தாள் ? :-)Feb 10 15:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] UK Patent Office rejects Patent4U soft patent: "This contribution falls solely within the field of computer programming" http://i5.be/aswFeb 10 15:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The IPKat - happy to serve the IP communities: Patent4U Patentics found to be not patentable .::. Size~: 148.4 KBFeb 10 15:04
schestowitzMore of the suckup from the pseudo-sourcers.... http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5796Feb 10 15:07
schestowitz"Feb 10 15:10
schestowitzToyota's top U.S. executive Jim Lentz has toured the mainstream media's talk show circuit this week to attempt damage control as the the automaker's crisis over sticky accelerators and failing brakes worsens.Feb 10 15:10
schestowitzRead more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=56718#ixzz0f97WNJNwFeb 10 15:10
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schestowitz"http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/07/ship-disguised-as-is.htmlFeb 10 15:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some Norwegians seem angry at Google....... http://ur1.ca/lzjkFeb 10 15:15
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schestowitzhttp://clearclimatecode.org/Feb 10 15:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Reminder fox is telling me to wash my clothes on Feb14 (sunday) :( . I shouldn't have enabled weekly reminders :|Feb 10 15:22
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schestowitzis someone here using bsd? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100208Feb 10 15:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 87.72 KBFeb 10 15:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Sarkozy nows installing a trojan spyware on your PC with the LOPSSI law now being voted in France: http://i5.be/asxFeb 10 15:27
schestowitz"Apple is somewhat shielded from the open-source onslaught because it's perceived as ubercool. Kids like that." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10448028-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoadFeb 10 15:31
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schestowitzMac Asay calls himself a "kid"?Feb 10 15:31
schestowitzHe only talks about Microsoft and AppleFeb 10 15:32
schestowitzI can't say I'm surprised thoughFeb 10 15:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Stop Uganda's gay death law - petition: http://www.avaaz.org/en/uganda_rights/98.php?CLICK_TF_TRACK #uganda #humanrightsFeb 10 15:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UGANDA: RIGHTS NOT REPRESSION .::. Size~: 68.9 KBFeb 10 15:35
schestowitzhttp://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3863916 Microsoft's Reliability Update Triggers CrashesFeb 10 15:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft's Reliability Update Triggers Crashes - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 141.03 KBFeb 10 15:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Who knew? Watching #TV ads linked to #obesity. Duh. http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/familyhealth/article/763240Feb 10 15:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TV isn’t making kids fat. It’s the ads - Parentcentral.ca .::. Size~: 81.29 KBFeb 10 15:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ^^Feb 10 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ryanmcgreal dropping #microsoft also cuts hardware requirements (server & especially desktop:) check this: http://bit.ly/8umyz8 #linux #nzFeb 10 15:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NZ school ditches Microsoft and goes totally open source - education, Linux, linux.conf.au, Microsoft - CIO .::. Size~: 135.09 KBFeb 10 15:45
schestowitzHeheFeb 10 15:45
schestowitzCause and effects reversedFeb 10 15:45
schestowitzobesity->tvFeb 10 15:46
schestowitzNot tv->obesityFeb 10 15:46
schestowitzOr bothFeb 10 15:46
schestowitzPoor studentsFeb 10 15:46
schestowitzHow will they be able to work in an office?Feb 10 15:46
schestowitzNo Microsoft Office mental map of the menus????Feb 10 15:47
FurnaceBoythat article has a little more detail than the other oneFeb 10 15:47
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: @josephtartakoff Bing's market share is around 3%. US != worldFeb 10 15:49
schestowitzYou can imagine what this was a response _to_Feb 10 15:49
jweyrichola personas.Feb 10 15:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: maybe Bong market share will actually match his numbers when Ubuntu 10.04 comes out :-)Feb 10 15:50
schestowitzjweyrich: ahoyFeb 10 15:50
schestowitzBill Snyder is still showing he's serving the monopolist/criminal...... http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/blogs/bizfeed/188312/microsoft_could_make_the_ipad_a_great_business_tool.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 10 15:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Could Make the iPad a Great Business Tool - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 57.53 KBFeb 10 15:51
schestowitzAt least he stopped attacking FOSS, for nowFeb 10 15:51
jweyrichdamn, my arms aren't responding well. LOL. probably too much gym.Feb 10 15:51
schestowitzHe is INVESTOR in MSFTFeb 10 15:51
schestowitzIDG lets him publish about MSFT nonethelessFeb 10 15:52
jweyrichinvestor or associate?Feb 10 15:52
schestowitzJust speaks volume about jouno' integroty thereFeb 10 15:52
schestowitzInvestorFeb 10 15:52
schestowitzHe said soFeb 10 15:52
schestowitzjweyrich: at least we have arms. Some people haven'tFeb 10 15:53
*schestowitz has mental image of a kid who lost all limbs in an air strike and survivedFeb 10 15:53
jweyrichwell, I don't think like that. they don't deserve to be treated as "poor".Feb 10 15:54
schestowitzIt sometimes happens elsewhereFeb 10 15:55
schestowitzLike war veteransFeb 10 15:55
schestowitzWHo are not the rich chickenhawksFeb 10 15:55
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/188476/microsoft_executive_mike_nash_to_leave_the_company.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 10 15:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Executive Mike Nash to Leave the Company - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.7 KBFeb 10 15:57
schestowitzChange is afoot..Feb 10 15:57
schestowitzI wonder who's left to run Windows at MSFTFeb 10 15:57
schestowitzMaybe some dudes with temp. visasFeb 10 15:57
schestowitzTorrent smears: http://www.pcworld.com/article/188498/twitter_password_resets_linked_to_torrent_sites.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 10 15:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter Password Resets Linked to Torrent Sites - PCWorld .::. Size~: 78.92 KBFeb 10 15:58
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/188514/indias_outsourcing_exports_at_us50_billion.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 10 15:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: India's Outsourcing Exports at US$50 Billion - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.34 KBFeb 10 15:59
jweyrichlinkedin very slow today.Feb 10 15:59
schestowitzjweyrich: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/09/iranian_net_damaged_before_demos/Feb 10 16:01
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jweyrichthis morning a TV helicopter fell in Sao Paulo. and another TV helicopter recorded. weirdo.Feb 10 16:01
schestowitzAccording to < http://www.pcworld.com/article/188524/Apple_Will_Sell_Eight_Million_iPads_by_2012.html?tk=rss_news > , there are about 8 million Apple fans with more money than sense and tasteFeb 10 16:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Will Sell Eight Million iPads by 2012, Report - PCWorld .::. Size~: 71.15 KBFeb 10 16:02
schestowitzjweyrich: do they know the cause yet?Feb 10 16:03
jweyrichlooking for more infos.Feb 10 16:03
schestowitzAlso, could the crew eject?Feb 10 16:03
jweyrichhttp://g1.globo.com/Noticias/SaoPaulo/0,,MUL1484552-5605,00.htmlFeb 10 16:03
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jweyrichno. the pilot died, and the camera man is in very bad @ hospitalFeb 10 16:04
schestowitzjweyrich: no blood on the seatsFeb 10 16:04
jweyrichthe text says it was trying to landFeb 10 16:04
schestowitzjweyrich: how many people died driving in Brazil today?Feb 10 16:04
jweyrichnot sure.Feb 10 16:05
schestowitz100?Feb 10 16:05
jweyrichor more.Feb 10 16:05
schestowitzAnd cancer..?Feb 10 16:05
jweyrichbut the interesting part is that this helicopter is from a very large TV company. and the one which recorded the fall is from its highest competitor.Feb 10 16:05
schestowitzPeople care a lot more when people die falling from the sky, unless they dive from a high buildingFeb 10 16:06
schestowitzGlobo?Feb 10 16:06
jweyrichI share this pov.Feb 10 16:06
jweyrichthat's why I hate TV.Feb 10 16:06
jweyrichyeah. Globo vs RecordFeb 10 16:06
schestowitzIt's probability after allFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzYou go on a plane, you might fallFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzDeal with itFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzThen you can improve statisticsFeb 10 16:07
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schestowitzStudy from the black box and move onFeb 10 16:07
schestowitzSame with the TERROR~1Feb 10 16:07
schestowitzThey gave them exactly what they want !!Feb 10 16:07
jweyrichhrm. they say the cause was a breakdown in the tail engine.Feb 10 16:08
schestowitzThey give them coverage when there's some fire on board started by a kid with chemical in his undiesFeb 10 16:08
schestowitzHad they kept it quiet, it would be betterFeb 10 16:08
schestowitz60 times more people dies in Haiti than in 9/11Feb 10 16:08
schestowitz*diedFeb 10 16:08
schestowitzMaybe we should study biology better, not strip search-like body scannersFeb 10 16:09
schestowitzjweyrich: so one casualty in that crash..Feb 10 16:10
schestowitzLike some guy on a motorcycle slippingFeb 10 16:10
schestowitzSome firm called "Devil Mountain" seems like a Microsoft apologistFeb 10 16:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Alvaro asks 9 questions to the Commission about ACTA, including 3 strikes and transparency http://i5.be/asyFeb 10 16:17
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FurnaceBoyjweyrich: bom diaFeb 10 16:22
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: bom dia! :)Feb 10 16:22
jweyrichaliás, é boa tarde aqui.Feb 10 16:22
jweyrichhave a meeting with wlima now. afk.Feb 10 16:23
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: ciaoFeb 10 16:30
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: hm, i had a question for him but seem to have forgotten :|Feb 10 16:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hungarian MEP pushing for the Community Patent only in English, so that it gets ignored by the non-english EU citizens: http://i5.be/asAFeb 10 16:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.foxbusiness.com/story/personal-finance/lifestyle-money/personal-technology/blackberry-spyware-source-code-released/Feb 10 16:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FSFE wants to easily challenge patents in order to raise patent quality around the world: http://i5.be/asCFeb 10 16:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Karsten on Free Software  » FSFE at WIPO: Make it easy to challenge patents .::. Size~: 37.09 KBFeb 10 16:47
schestowitzRMS: "Medical evidence for danger from cell phone microwaves is quite strong, if you throw out the industry-funded studies." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#8%20February%202010%20%28Your%20phone%20may%20be%20killing%20you%29 Feb 10 16:51
schestowitzAh... about time.Feb 10 16:51
schestowitzIndustry funded, of courseFeb 10 16:51
schestowitzLike climate change denialFeb 10 16:51
schestowitzUmmmmmm http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Vulnerability-in-Samba-provides-access-to-files-924425.htmlFeb 10 16:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-09-023-35-OS-BZ-0000Feb 10 16:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tutorial for people who think the GIMP is 'confusing' http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-websites-learn-gimp-photo-editor-online/Feb 10 17:04
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jweyrichFurnaceBoy: msg me and I'll fwd to him.Feb 10 17:13
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/paul_allens_brangelina_moment.htmlFeb 10 17:19
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schestowitzKDE Software Compilation 4.4.0 Introduces Netbook Interface, Window Tabbing and Authentication Framework  < http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/ > what's with the insistence on name change to SC?Feb 10 17:19
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schestowitzCan you guys recommend a good programme on YouTube?Feb 10 17:26
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sebsebseb Feb 10 17:27
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I don't watch much video. try this for light entertainment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HcKrd3K8_AFeb 10 17:51
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 10 17:54
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0m3s9h_z0AFeb 10 17:54
schestowitzIntelligent "design" in the physics sectionFeb 10 17:55
FurnaceBoy:(Feb 10 17:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: she's a mediocre n00b :-)Feb 10 17:56
FurnaceBoycute tho!Feb 10 17:56
*FurnaceBoy hasn't had breakfast or coffee yet :|Feb 10 17:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Turned off buzz, i don't want my gmail to get "bloated" . Thanks but no thanks google!Feb 10 17:57
schestowitzShe does it purely based on feel/touchFeb 10 17:57
schestowitzHiromi Uehara - I've got Rhythm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JfKY0K_NQk&feature=relatedFeb 10 18:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 100% true girl! :D RT: @g33f: I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.Feb 10 18:02
FurnaceBoyoh, did you see the movie "Ichi"? If you like a good samurai tale... Feb 10 18:06
FurnaceBoy(blind woman samurai)Feb 10 18:06
schestowitzTom Lehrer - The Tribute (Part 1/3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsj7S-wtEq4&feature=PlayList&p=799AC5DC243C91AE&index=0Feb 10 18:08
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I haven'tFeb 10 18:09
FurnaceBoythe dvd is out. if you have a good dvd store around...Feb 10 18:09
FurnaceBoywe're lucky to have a good independent one nearbyFeb 10 18:10
schestowitzWho's Next http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLPhtuj2xMI&feature=PlayList&p=799AC5DC243C91AE&index=1Feb 10 18:16
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I don't watch DVDsFeb 10 18:17
FurnaceBoyi missed it at the multiplex by one day.Feb 10 18:17
FurnaceBoyi use dvds to catch up on the films I missed of the past 60 years :)Feb 10 18:18
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sebsebsebright okFeb 10 18:30
sebsebsebsomeone wants alternative to fspotFeb 10 18:31
sebsebseb,but I can't remember name of oneFeb 10 18:31
sebsebsebhelp guys!Feb 10 18:31
ThistleWebgthumbFeb 10 18:31
sebsebsebbingoFeb 10 18:31
sebsebsebyeah I think that's the one I was afterFeb 10 18:31
sebsebsebnon mono and Gnome yeahFeb 10 18:31
sebsebsebit's good?Feb 10 18:31
ThistleWebgthumb is pretty niceFeb 10 18:32
ThistleWebit's gtk, not gnomeFeb 10 18:32
ThistleWebno gnome deps as far as I knowFeb 10 18:32
trmancoI like the one in kde betterFeb 10 18:32
ThistleWeband no, it's not monoFeb 10 18:32
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FurnaceBoyis Krita relevant?Feb 10 18:33
*FurnaceBoy doesn't use fspot or krita so that's a bit of a WAGFeb 10 18:33
ThistleWebkrita is an editor isn't it?Feb 10 18:34
ThistleWebfspot and gthumb are more managers, collections etcFeb 10 18:34
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trmancoI'm talking about gnewviewFeb 10 18:35
FurnaceBoyi *thought* krita was also an organiser, but i could be completely wrong. :)Feb 10 18:35
ThistleWebdon't think so, but then I'm not up on many KDE appsFeb 10 18:35
ThistleWebI reckon features will creep onto different things, so it may well have an organising funtion tooFeb 10 18:36
wallc_krita is image editingFeb 10 18:36
FurnaceBoyokFeb 10 18:36
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: i don't use kde eitherFeb 10 18:36
wallc_nice software, i like itFeb 10 18:36
ThistleWebI always put krita in the same camp as gimp and inkscapeFeb 10 18:36
FurnaceBoywallc_: yeah i've heard good reportsFeb 10 18:36
wallc_it's nice and gets better all the timeFeb 10 18:37
ThistleWebwell, the QT versionsFeb 10 18:37
wallc_i am slowly learning to love KDE. i really feel it's time to leave Gnome behindFeb 10 18:38
wallc_it's hard to do - i really like Gnome.Feb 10 18:38
ThistleWebI did play with mint 7 kde on my netbook, it's different but niceFeb 10 18:39
wallc_KDE is pretty, but i still feel a little lost with it...Feb 10 18:39
wallc_getting used to it tho.Feb 10 18:39
ThistleWebI'm just used to gtk apps, so trying to do soemthing in kde is odd, when I assume I have to install the gtk app to do it, when kde probally have something already installed which does it, and I just dont know abou titFeb 10 18:40
wallc_yes, "odd" describes it well...Feb 10 18:41
wallc_that's not bad, i like it, mostly.Feb 10 18:42
wallc_i've been using kubuntu.  maybe i should try mint instead...Feb 10 18:43
ThistleWebit does one good to switch around from time to time, it avoids the mind getting the comfy slippers on around one, and rebelling against changeFeb 10 18:43
wallc_yes, going from gnome to kde reminds me of when i started moving from windows...but i don't mind change, it's just that i don't always have time to keep learning new stuff.Feb 10 18:44
wallc_i'd like some time to enjoy what i've learned for a while.Feb 10 18:45
wallc_before having to move to something new.Feb 10 18:45
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wallc_(it's an old-lady-thing, we don't always like change)Feb 10 18:46
wallc_:o)Feb 10 18:46
ThistleWebbabies don't like being changed either, it distracts from play timeFeb 10 18:46
wallc_ha, old ladies are just babies with wrinkles : )Feb 10 18:47
wallc_and less playtime.Feb 10 18:47
ThistleWebthere's more to linux than just gnome and kde too, which a lot of peeps forgetFeb 10 18:47
ThistleWebjust as there's plenty of less known distrosFeb 10 18:48
FurnaceBoygentoo is marginal enough for me :)Feb 10 18:48
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wallc_i'm not sure i'm ready for a more difficult distro...i fear if i strain my poor brain too much it will quit and run away.Feb 10 18:50
wallc_well, time for me to get back to work.  just stopped in to say hi...haven't been here in a while.Feb 10 18:51
wallc_take care all... : )Feb 10 18:51
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schestowitzOh, I've just missed herFeb 10 18:55
schestowitzAt least she's still around...Feb 10 18:56
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Omar87Hi all.Feb 10 19:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ryanmcgreal #Harper govt isn't just scandalising u. No Khadr repat? check. Anti-choice? check. Anti-environment? check. Pro-torture? checkFeb 10 19:11
FurnaceBoyOmar87: hiFeb 10 19:11
Omar87brbFeb 10 19:14
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cubezzzodd, I can't access my google accountFeb 10 19:15
MinceRdid you speak out against the Big Brother recently? :>Feb 10 19:16
FurnaceBoylulzFeb 10 19:18
cubezzznoFeb 10 19:18
cubezzzI can't login with my email address but I can with my usernameFeb 10 19:18
cubezzzit used to work with bothFeb 10 19:18
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alan__I couldn't help but notice that you posted a misleading image (not your fault) in one of your posts: "Microsoft’s Touch of Death". Here's a link to the full image: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_rihgl8Kfuew/S3HIZsOdxEI/AAAAAAAADYw/YDkwhvYiKTQ/s512/dsc_5211.jpgFeb 10 20:22
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MinceRmono religion? :>Feb 10 20:23
alan__The sign means the complete opposite to what your article says it doesFeb 10 20:23
alan__just thought that might be worth correctingFeb 10 20:23
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ender2070lolFeb 10 20:35
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FurnaceBoy"Like a lot of people who care about books and writing and sentence structure, I was initially horrified at the success at Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. Then I realized what it meant: 80 million people read a book about the removal of femininity from the Catholic Church, about how Jesus liked women and prostitutes and screw-ups and freaks, about how the Bible was edited by men in power, about Feb 10 20:54
FurnaceBoyhow Jesus' divinity was not universally accepted. They read the book, and now it's in their brains, like a vaccination against patriarchal monotheism, even if they don't do anything with the information."Feb 10 20:54
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FurnaceBoyhttp://thesmartset.com/article/article02041001.aspx (about a different book)Feb 10 20:54
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cubezzzThere was a book called "The Bible Code" tooFeb 10 20:56
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MinceRif only there was a vaccination against patriarchal monotheismFeb 10 20:56
FurnaceBoyMinceR: :)Feb 10 20:56
FurnaceBoyhttp://w3.newsmax.com/a/feb10/scientific/Feb 10 20:56
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cubezzz"most DSL routers din't actually support Linux"Feb 10 20:59
cubezzzlolFeb 10 20:59
cubezzzmy current router runs LinuxFeb 10 20:59
cubezzzand all my older routers worked with Linux, even the oldest di-704PFeb 10 20:59
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satiperaHello anyone at home?Feb 10 21:03
satiperaQuestion for those in the know, did mandriva/mandrake at any point in their history charge for the full version of their distro?Feb 10 21:06
jweyrichnot that I'm aware of.Feb 10 21:07
schestowitzsatipera: nopeFeb 10 21:08
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_goblinEvening all.Feb 10 21:09
satiperaAnd not for access to drivers etc.. ?Feb 10 21:09
satiperahello goblinFeb 10 21:09
cubezzzI wonder if it's possible to ssh into this routerFeb 10 21:09
jweyrichit's more likely to have telnet service.Feb 10 21:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Benjamin Mako Hill Explains That #FSF is About #Freedom , Not Just Software http://ur1.ca/m0u3 http://ur1.ca/m0u4Feb 10 21:11
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cubezzzhrmm, doesn't seem to work with lynx eitherFeb 10 21:14
satiperamandrake was so long ago now, I just wondered. I tried it after downloading red hat which was too difficult as well, it was ubuntu that made it easy enough to make switch. I remember mandrake/mandriva website was an absolute bloody mess.Feb 10 21:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: US President Promises to Defend #NetNeutrality , #IPv6 in #YouTube Now on http://ur1.ca/m0ue http://ur1.ca/m0ufFeb 10 21:15
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satiperaIt has put me off looking at mandriva since, but I suppose I should give it another goFeb 10 21:18
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satiperaphirce. is that about cherie blair being lenient with sentencing if she thinks they are religious?Feb 10 21:20
satiperaMaybe that is why she fell for tony.Feb 10 21:21
cubezzzhrmmmFeb 10 21:22
cubezzzgcc 2.95.3Feb 10 21:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attack on People's Rights Using #ACTA Carries on http://ur1.ca/m0vd http://ur1.ca/ly9wFeb 10 21:26
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schestowitzcubezzz: that's what they sayFeb 10 21:27
schestowitzShe fell for Tony cause he was a man of faithFeb 10 21:28
schestowitzSo was Bush.... maybe he was too far away in Connecticut Feb 10 21:28
schestowitzCan you imagine GWB talking to the air?Feb 10 21:28
satiperaAnd he is only interested in the opinion of an electorate of one.Feb 10 21:29
schestowitzDid Neanderthals pray?Feb 10 21:29
schestowitzMaybe they did to fire and SunFeb 10 21:29
cubezzzdid Neanderthals speak?Feb 10 21:29
schestowitzAnyway, seems like reverse evolution... a few more GWB iterations and we're back to chimpsFeb 10 21:29
cubezzzI assume they didn't write :)Feb 10 21:30
schestowitzBut there ar chantsFeb 10 21:30
schestowitzSome primitive culture momorise song without much meaningFeb 10 21:30
schestowitzWhales tooFeb 10 21:30
satiperasteve bell has the chimp gwb angle coveredFeb 10 21:30
schestowitzWhales are probably smarter than usFeb 10 21:30
schestowitzBut they are not industrialisedFeb 10 21:30
cubezzzanother interesting question is why humans diverged from NeanderthalsFeb 10 21:30
cubezzzor there was more than one branch Feb 10 21:31
schestowitzThey have??Feb 10 21:31
schestowitzI think we're still NeanderthalsFeb 10 21:31
cubezzzno, we are cro-magnon I thinkFeb 10 21:31
schestowitzOne day we'll all be civilised men, unless we blow ourselves u firstFeb 10 21:31
schestowitz /u/up/Feb 10 21:31
cubezzzit's possible cro-magnon made Neanderthal man extinctFeb 10 21:32
satiperaprospects for homo sapien survival are not good in the mid term, we will compete ourselves into extinctionFeb 10 21:32
satiperaThe next master species will call us the flash in the pan apesFeb 10 21:33
cubezzzyou realize that we have nuclear weapons and don't use them? :)Feb 10 21:33
cubezzzwe aren't totally stupidFeb 10 21:34
cubezzz60 years and counting now...Feb 10 21:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: +1Feb 10 21:35
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the stupid part is 1) having them and 2) we did use them.Feb 10 21:35
FurnaceBoycubezzz: furthermore, there are segments of the population who think using them is a good idea now (on somebody else)Feb 10 21:35
satiperaYes, we used them and at the same time like to think that civilians are off limits in armed conflictFeb 10 21:36
cubezzzFurnaceBoy, yes that shows a paranoid natureFeb 10 21:37
cubezzzit's definitely a problemFeb 10 21:37
cubezzzbut I believe in the vast majority of cases that humans aren't stupid Feb 10 21:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] So it seems I can't use Google Buzz on my Google Apps for Domains account.. Am I missing out? :)Feb 10 21:38
cubezzznot stupid enough for Mutually Assured Destruction at leastFeb 10 21:38
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's not just paranoiaFeb 10 21:39
cubezzzsure, there are some nutbarsFeb 10 21:39
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's ignorance + psychosisFeb 10 21:39
FurnaceBoycubezzz:  a large numberFeb 10 21:39
cubezzzI wonder what happened to the NeanderthalsFeb 10 21:40
cubezzzthere's a lesson thereFeb 10 21:40
schestowitzWow. The Mono proponents seem to have been hereFeb 10 21:41
satiperaNeanderthals  were just another species we wiped outFeb 10 21:41
schestowitzPromoting that shotgun wedding of Linux and MicrosoftFeb 10 21:41
schestowitzcubezzz: 60 years is nothingFeb 10 21:42
schestowitzAnd there were almost nuclear warsFeb 10 21:42
schestowitzCuban missile crisisFeb 10 21:42
cubezzzsatipera, very possiblyFeb 10 21:42
schestowitzLater it was a Russian sub that was about to launch because of panicky commandersFeb 10 21:42
schestowitzIn 1995 the Russians also launched by accidentFeb 10 21:42
satiperaMcarthur tried hard in korea for nuclear warFeb 10 21:42
schestowitz /also/almost/Feb 10 21:43
schestowitzAt some point, probably says there will be more nuclear strikesFeb 10 21:43
schestowitzMaybe some nutters outside state controlFeb 10 21:44
schestowitzBut more likely an accidental warFeb 10 21:44
schestowitzThe control systems are agingFeb 10 21:44
schestowitzsatipera: not TrumanFeb 10 21:44
schestowitzI think he wanted to drop 20 bombs on ...... or wait..Feb 10 21:44
satiperaMiddle East is still the hot spotFeb 10 21:44
cubezzzTruman stopped the idea of nuclear war on Korea I think?Feb 10 21:44
schestowitzNo,MacArthur wanted to ddrop 20Feb 10 21:44
schestowitzTruman said noFeb 10 21:45
cubezzzyesFeb 10 21:45
schestowitzBut he said yes to nuking JapanFeb 10 21:45
cubezzzbefore that, yesFeb 10 21:45
satiperaYes, Macarthur was effectively sackedFeb 10 21:46
satiperawmd plenty of room for controversy there eh?Feb 10 21:49
satiperaDid anyone watch charlie brooker newswipe? talking about wmd.Feb 10 21:52
satiperaGreat line  in there. He said Tony Blairs hands were shaking so much as he began to give evidence to the Iraq inquiry that all the blood was shaken off.Feb 10 21:54
FurnaceBoysatipera: cool summary. http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/8865803119Feb 10 21:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: Neat roundup of the #iraq  ... .::. Size~: 10.64 KBFeb 10 21:55
FurnaceBoysatipera: Chilcott gave Blair an opportunity to revise historyFeb 10 21:56
schestowitzsatipera: Evocative of Gates depositionFeb 10 21:56
schestowitzBob like a Pigeon, Mr BobFeb 10 21:56
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satiperaFB yes he did, the thing I remember most from Blair that day is he wanted to do it all again  with Iran, God save us from religious nutters :)Feb 10 22:01
FurnaceBoysatipera: these people are insaneFeb 10 22:03
satiperaIf not insane then cause for concernFeb 10 22:04
FurnaceBoysatipera: notice it's the comfortable, safe, privileged people who call loudest for war against the poor, disenfranchised, already under constant grinding of globalism's bootheelFeb 10 22:04
FurnaceBoysatipera: no, they are insane.Feb 10 22:04
FurnaceBoysatipera: Blair is a mass murdererFeb 10 22:04
FurnaceBoysatipera: and a liar. there is no greater crime most of us can think of than war of aggressionFeb 10 22:04
satiperaFb. I would like to see the war criminals and profiteers in the dock as much as anyone. Feb 10 22:05
satiperaUnfortunately only the smallfry fry.Feb 10 22:06
FurnaceBoysatipera: i don't see *any*one frying for iraq.Feb 10 22:06
FurnaceBoysatipera: in the US, the torturers and their enablers are already exculpatedFeb 10 22:07
FurnaceBoycan you imagine? in 2010Feb 10 22:07
FurnaceBoytorture supported by the supposed "civilised" nationsFeb 10 22:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BJ Lawson is running for Congress again http://ur1.ca/m0y3 #ronpaulFeb 10 22:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lawson for Congress | North Carolina's 4th District .::. Size~: 25.63 KBFeb 10 22:07
FurnaceBoykidnapping foreign citizensFeb 10 22:07
satiperaI agree, if you look at the US war on terror then why are they playing host to the leaders of the Venezuelan coup and the bombers who brought down a Cuban airliner?Feb 10 22:09
FurnaceBoyit's not a war on terror. it's one big long robbery Feb 10 22:09
FurnaceBoythere's no consistency to it. it's opportunisticFeb 10 22:10
FurnaceBoythey're playing the publics like a fiddleFeb 10 22:10
FurnaceBoywhich is why, for civilisation's sake, we have to get some iota of accountabilityFeb 10 22:11
satiperaIt is time that we actually had  democracy or accepted it for the sham  it is at the momentFeb 10 22:12
satiperaThe biggest problem is we are all born into a game that has been going on for centuries and expect it to be fairFeb 10 22:13
FurnaceBoywe have many optionsFeb 10 22:13
FurnaceBoyfirstly, to free mindsFeb 10 22:13
satiperaFree minds entail freedom fro want.Feb 10 22:15
satiperaWe all do things we know not to be right because we have toFeb 10 22:15
satiperaAll we can do is support those people we agree withFeb 10 22:16
satiperaWe areliving in interesting times.Feb 10 22:18
oiaohmhttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html  HmmFeb 10 22:22
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oiaohmLooks like google is now lining up to close the loop.Feb 10 22:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Microsoft fan press lies or at least knowingly deceives about how #Microsoft is doing against #Google http://ur1.ca/m15l #search #bingFeb 10 22:54
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schestowitzoiaohm: like the rumours said in 2005Feb 10 23:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is being accused of “hand washing” (or whitewashing) the battery problems that were found in #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/m191Feb 10 23:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Latest generation Dell PowerEdge servers ban non-Dell "qualified drives". http://bit.ly/be2dBO With this lock-in are Dell the new AppleFeb 10 23:26
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schestowitzDoes anyone here use arch? http://celettu.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/arch-is-failing-me/Feb 10 23:31
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schestowitzThis person could use help..Feb 10 23:32
_goblinIm a glutten for punishment....Feb 10 23:37
_goblinI do it to myself everytime.Feb 10 23:37
MinceRgluten?Feb 10 23:37
_goblinlolFeb 10 23:37
_goblintypoFeb 10 23:37
_goblinwhy do I put myself through it?Feb 10 23:37
_goblinwhy do I torture myself?Feb 10 23:37
_goblin..Feb 10 23:37
_goblinwhat am I talking about?Feb 10 23:37
_goblinMaking a post about Mono.Feb 10 23:37
_goblinthe silliness that ensues when giving opinion on Mono is such a time waster.Feb 10 23:38
_goblinI wish just one Mono supporter, just one, could have a sensible debate....but instead of that I get a copyright infringing "coder" (who uses RPGmaker) trying to argue a weak point and accusing me of trolling on my own blog.Feb 10 23:39
_goblincome back Andre Da Costa.....all is forgiven.Feb 10 23:39
Diablo-D3RPGmakerFeb 10 23:41
Diablo-D3lolololololololololololololololololololololololFeb 10 23:41
Diablo-D3lmao, roffleFeb 10 23:41
FurnaceBoy_goblin: to hell with themFeb 10 23:41
_goblinyeah...Diablo.....you may have helped code the Snes emu, but you have nothing on this "l33t" coder of RPGmaker.Feb 10 23:41
Diablo-D3I forgot that horrid thing ever existedFeb 10 23:41
Diablo-D3_goblin: :DFeb 10 23:41
Diablo-D3and the irony here isFeb 10 23:41
Diablo-D3back then when I was doing zsnes, I was making fun of rpgmakerFeb 10 23:41
_goblinDavid Braben is humbled by Rpgmaker devs.Feb 10 23:42
_goblinmaybe Vista was made with it....? it certainly would explain alot.Feb 10 23:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Intel and #Microsoft in Trouble with the Law Again http://ur1.ca/m1az Intel executive found guilty of conspiracy and securities #fraudFeb 10 23:42
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_goblinand vista is certainly an "adventure"Feb 10 23:42
Diablo-D3The Recycling bin has reached Lvl 2! Recycling Bin now knows "delete!"Feb 10 23:42
*Diablo-D3 hums the final fantasy victory tuneFeb 10 23:43
_goblincast deleteFeb 10 23:43
Diablo-D3delete doesnt work against the virus! the virus counterattacks, 9999 hp damage!Feb 10 23:43
_goblinrecallFeb 10 23:43
_goblin(for MUD fans here)Feb 10 23:43
schestowitz_goblin: yes, I got flak too (Re Mono)Feb 10 23:43
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 10 23:43
FurnaceBoyas predictedFeb 10 23:43
FurnaceBoyas the Mayans predicted, evenFeb 10 23:44
*Diablo-D3 tries to think what Recycling Bin-tan would look likeFeb 10 23:44
_goblinMayans predicted Mono ;)Feb 10 23:44
schestowitzthe "troll in one's own blog" is not a new type of attackFeb 10 23:44
Diablo-D3OOH OOHFeb 10 23:44
FurnaceBoy_goblin: yeah, but maybe they didn't predict free software !Feb 10 23:44
Diablo-D3CAN I BE A TROLLFeb 10 23:44
_goblinits new to me.Feb 10 23:44
*Diablo-D3 puts on his troll hatFeb 10 23:44
schestowitztacone who used to hang around here got the same type or attack from Canonical's CTOFeb 10 23:44
FurnaceBoy_goblin: let's see if we can troll schestowitz !Feb 10 23:44
_goblinlolFeb 10 23:44
Diablo-D3Next on the O'Rielly Factor: Is Obama a gay nigger from space?Feb 10 23:44
*Diablo-D3 takes troll hat offFeb 10 23:45
_goblinwhy not we PM ourselves and troll ourselves?Feb 10 23:45
schestowitzApparently  when he writes his opinion in his site, then it's a "troll"Feb 10 23:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sighFeb 10 23:45
schestowitzHe criticised some Mono thingsFeb 10 23:45
_goblinIm going to insult Luton Town FC and get myself annoyed.Feb 10 23:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: your opinion must fit the mainstream moldFeb 10 23:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's why it's so funny dealing with someone like TartakoffFeb 10 23:45
FurnaceBoy_goblin: insult Daemon FC insteadFeb 10 23:46
schestowitzIt's just an attempt to close debatesFeb 10 23:46
schestowitzJason started his sites after Ubuntu had deleted his postsFeb 10 23:46
schestowitzHe brought up Mono in Ubuntu ForumsFeb 10 23:47
schestowitzAll politeFeb 10 23:47
schestowitzThen they created a Mono 'zone' (free speech zone) in the forums to isolate Mono issueFeb 10 23:47
schestowitzAnyway, that's historyFeb 10 23:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Buzz does sound like a sex toyFeb 10 23:47
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: see e http://ur1.ca/m15lFeb 10 23:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: other "your opinion is not valid" labels, "terrorist," "extremist," yadda yaddaFeb 10 23:47
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schestowitzre TartakoffFeb 10 23:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: LOL! Free Speech ZOne.Feb 10 23:48
*FurnaceBoy has to run. bblFeb 10 23:48
schestowitzSmall distro, big ego < http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/small-distro-big-ego.html >Feb 10 23:50
schestowitz_goblin: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6979/1/Feb 10 23:52
_goblinsorry i was afk for a few moments.Feb 10 23:53
schestowitzhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/application-ballot-screen-for-ubuntu-oh.htmlFeb 10 23:53
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schestowitzWhy not install everything from the CD, then allow people use the repos?Feb 10 23:54
_goblinXfce!Feb 10 23:54
_goblinmy DE of choice!...BUT.....Feb 10 23:54
MinceRit lacks multiple choiceFeb 10 23:54
_goblinEnlightenment is a close second.....Feb 10 23:54
MinceRwhat if i wanted all those browsers installed?Feb 10 23:54
_goblinhaven't yet migrated to Elive....Feb 10 23:54
_goblinhopefully this weekend "old Gobo" here has a three day weekend.Feb 10 23:55
schestowitzHmmmmmm :-( http://botptr.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/what-happened-ubuntu-you-used-to-be-cool/Feb 10 23:55
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schestowitz..Feb 10 23:55
schestowitz[23:54] <MinceR> it lacks multiple choiceFeb 10 23:55
schestowitzWell, iCr*p lacks multitaskingFeb 10 23:55
MinceR:>Feb 10 23:55
schestowitzI assume the ballot screen makes use of local filesFeb 10 23:56
schestowitzOtherwise it's dumpFeb 10 23:56
schestowitzIf you live in African you can't download the appsFeb 10 23:56
schestowitzYou rely on the CD, so many options are just like Synaptic creeping into the installation processFeb 10 23:57
schestowitzjono: have you seen  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/application-ballot-screen-for-ubuntu-oh.html ?Feb 10 23:57
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_goblinsince we've just been talking coding (well laughing at RPGmaker) here is one of my favorite quotes from the Android Kryten in Red Dwarf:Feb 10 23:57
_goblin""If you don't gosub a program loop, you'll never get a subroutine" - Android saying for "Nothing ventured, nothing gained" - Great stuff!Feb 10 23:57
_goblinwhat kind of mind creates that humour.Feb 10 23:58
schestowitzhttp://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-stays-single-while-others-are-married-36855Feb 10 23:58
MinceRbasic-addled mind? :>Feb 10 23:58
schestowitzAndroid?Feb 10 23:58
MinceRperhaps there's a dialect of basic that compiles into java bytecode?Feb 10 23:59
_goblinYeah...you know Kryten from Red Dwarf?Feb 10 23:59
_goblinplease say you've seen it.....Feb 10 23:59
schestowitzI knowFeb 10 23:59
MinceRi don't know Red DwarfFeb 10 23:59
_goblinwhat?Feb 10 23:59
schestowitzCoincidence (Google)Feb 10 23:59
MinceRi've read about it and maybe i'll want to see itFeb 10 23:59
schestowitz_goblin: he's not from hereFeb 10 23:59
_goblinRoy - ban Mincer! ;)Feb 10 23:59
jonoschestowitz cool ideaFeb 10 23:59
jonomaybe as an advanced option in the installerFeb 10 23:59
schestowitzYesFeb 10 23:59

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