| schestowitz | So is Android now straying away? | Feb 11 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | Forking? Branching? Rebranding? | Feb 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Now I look silly because Linus loves his Android phones and I complained to him about Android some months ago | Feb 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/69301.html | Feb 11 00:01 |
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| _goblin | Don't have a mobile anymore....not in the traditional sense. | Feb 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | How's the 3d in this thing? http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/blogpost/6997498/ | Feb 11 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | I'm only tempted to go watch it because of the 3d, not the record sales | Feb 11 00:04 |
| _goblin | its rubbish. | Feb 11 00:04 |
| _goblin | its a tech demo | Feb 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I found this today from RMS: "Medical evidence for danger from cell phone microwaves is quite strong, if you throw out the industry-funded studies." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#8%20February%202010%20%28Your%20phone%20may%20be%20killing%20you%29 | Feb 11 00:04 |
| _goblin | ...it only gets good when the humans start blowing things up....which quite frankly came as something of a relief. | Feb 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that's what I thought. I won't watch it. | Feb 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | It's not educational either. it's fantasy/ sci-fi | Feb 11 00:05 |
| MinceR | well, i liked it | Feb 11 00:05 |
| _goblin | its got a psuedo eco message which is so patronizing, if I'd been there I would have simply nuked the planet from space and been done with it. | Feb 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you refer to her as an object? :-| | Feb 11 00:06 |
| MinceR | i meant Avatar | Feb 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | I know, I was joking | Feb 11 00:06 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Re: that link...I was just talking about this today. At work I am constantly using a very powerful cell phone type device. | Feb 11 00:07 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: its always on aswell..... | Feb 11 00:08 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Blissful ignorance is the order of the day, if I don't know the dangers, nothing will happen to me. | Feb 11 00:08 |
| _goblin | I have this theory. Its called the theory of ignorance, its why elderly people can drive and cause major accidents without themselves being harmed. Its why soldiers can run across a battlefield and not get hit by fire. ---- If you don't acknowledge the danger, it can't hurt you. | Feb 11 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.massively.com/2010/02/08/myst-online-is-alive-again-for-the-um-we-lost-count-how | Feb 11 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | Has anyone here played the original myst? | Feb 11 00:10 |
| _goblin | years ago | Feb 11 00:10 |
| _goblin | on the Amiga I believe | Feb 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: some people sleep next to them | Feb 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | [phones] | Feb 11 00:11 |
| _goblin | what amigas? | Feb 11 00:11 |
| _goblin | oh. | Feb 11 00:11 |
| _goblin | I see. | Feb 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Myst was on PC too | Feb 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | It was great | Feb 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I loved quests and puzzles | Feb 11 00:11 |
| _goblin | I was going to say, I love my Amiga, but I don't think Id ever sleep with it................having said that........ | Feb 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Monkey Island was a great storyline | Feb 11 00:12 |
| _goblin | yep | Feb 11 00:12 |
| _goblin | that's a ScummVM title too | Feb 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I still have it deep in my mind... screens | Feb 11 00:12 |
| _goblin | and I think Monkey Island has been released for free (legally) | Feb 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I have a good audio of the scummvm guy | Feb 11 00:12 |
| _goblin | cracking piece of work. | Feb 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss80 | Feb 11 00:13 |
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| _goblin | use it for KQ3 which Im currently playing again after many many years. | Feb 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Very nice guy, too | Feb 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.massively.com/2010/02/07/second-life-official-forums-to-be-replaced-tuesday | Feb 11 00:13 |
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| _goblin | Second life? isn't that a Mono app/game? | Feb 11 00:14 |
| _goblin | maybe im wrong..... | Feb 11 00:14 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | There's some little thingie on the server which runs mono | Feb 11 00:15 |
| _goblin | ah...never played it.... | Feb 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | They haven't remove the infection yet | Feb 11 00:15 |
| _goblin | my gaming now is mostly limited to retro. | Feb 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | That's what it's all good for | Feb 11 00:15 |
| _goblin | brought a brilliant little SF2 stand alone game that plugs into the TV.....great stuff! | Feb 11 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Same with some music that's evocative of memories | Feb 11 00:16 |
| *schestowitz listens to "Got To Be There by Jackson 5 on The Best of Michael Jackson &" | Feb 11 00:16 | |
| _goblin | *bought | Feb 11 00:16 |
| *MinceR is listening to: Those Who Hunt Elves TV - OST - ost28 | Feb 11 00:16 | |
| schestowitz | New games are like a hooker | Feb 11 00:17 |
| _goblin | Now i'll have to outdo that with the most obscure title I have...... | Feb 11 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It's not like the wife you know | Feb 11 00:17 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 11 00:17 |
| schestowitz | But it can be entertaining and all... more polygons | Feb 11 00:17 |
| schestowitz | That is, the games... not CG gurls | Feb 11 00:17 |
| _goblin | Im listening to: Die Apokalyptischen Reiter - Downfall | Feb 11 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Y'all listening to hardcore stuff | Feb 11 00:18 |
| _goblin | yep. | Feb 11 00:18 |
| _goblin | German Metal.....you can't beat it. | Feb 11 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Makes me feel like the immature one... | Feb 11 00:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] WARNING: GOOGLE BUZZ PRIVACY HOLE http://www.businessinsider.com/warning-google-buzz-has-a-huge-privacy-flaw-2010-2 | Feb 11 00:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Norwegian/Swedish death metal...? | Feb 11 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. | Feb 11 00:19 |
| _goblin | Haggard....Vintersorg....... | Feb 11 00:19 |
| _goblin | you have a point. | Feb 11 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Did you watch Headbangers? | Feb 11 00:20 |
| _goblin | Headbangers ball? | Feb 11 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I watched it with a mate a few years ago. It's quite depressing actually. | Feb 11 00:20 |
| _goblin | with Vanessa Warrick? | Feb 11 00:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no | Feb 11 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Just Headbangers | Feb 11 00:20 |
| _goblin | no... | Feb 11 00:20 |
| _goblin | was Cradle of Filth mentioned? | Feb 11 00:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.metalhistory.com/ | Feb 11 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Oh | Feb 11 00:21 |
| schestowitz | "Metal: A Headbangers Journey" | Feb 11 00:21 |
| _goblin | I listen to the heavy stuff, but play more melodic. | Feb 11 00:22 |
| _goblin | Mad Hatters a guitarist..... | Feb 11 00:22 |
| _goblin | although I think he's a Fender boy......boo! | Feb 11 00:22 |
| _goblin | single coil.....no meat. | Feb 11 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Google is s***ing fibre http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html | Feb 11 00:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @doctorow Copyfighters don't want open gov-data because "info wants to be free." They want it because they paid for it with tax | Feb 11 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | _goblin: my cousin plays guitar | Feb 11 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZTx6OgwWo | Feb 11 00:24 |
| _goblin | whats his axe? | Feb 11 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Dunno | Feb 11 00:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thanks to BN talking about music...Im switching my stereo on... if any nieghbour complains they will be directed to Boycott Novell. | Feb 11 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | I don't see him often | Feb 11 00:25 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 11 00:25 |
| MinceR | _goblin: no headphones? :> | Feb 11 00:25 |
| _goblin | that doesn't even warrant an answer.... | Feb 11 00:26 |
| _goblin | ;) | Feb 11 00:26 |
| MinceR | it doesn't? | Feb 11 00:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he's a poser | Feb 11 00:26 |
| MinceR | oh. | Feb 11 00:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 11 00:26 |
| schestowitz | playing music in his ride with all the windows down | Feb 11 00:26 |
| _goblin | on a serious note, my nieghbours couldn't hear... | Feb 11 00:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I know I shouldn't, but I see this http://bit.ly/bZ5PnY and it makes me think of the obsolescence of these http://bit.ly/a0cob8 | Feb 11 00:26 | |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: FYI I never drive with music on..... | Feb 11 00:26 |
| _goblin | :) | Feb 11 00:26 |
| MinceR | i tend to drive with music on | Feb 11 00:27 |
| MinceR | or talk radio | Feb 11 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Driving became interesting... | Feb 11 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Cars are more advanced | Feb 11 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Faster | Feb 11 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Better air bags | Feb 11 00:27 |
| schestowitz | But more distraction | Feb 11 00:27 |
| MinceR | driving in the city can't be all that faster though | Feb 11 00:27 |
| MinceR | especially in budapest | Feb 11 00:27 |
| _goblin | I can't do it....Im an advanced driver (sort of) and take my "roadcraft" very seriously. | Feb 11 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Now we have phones, radios, pagers, texting... some people eat while driving cause they have automatic gear | Feb 11 00:27 |
| MinceR | people usually own their homes and because of this (and other factors) they live far from their workplaces | Feb 11 00:28 |
| MinceR | and our public transport system and road network both sucks | Feb 11 00:28 |
| MinceR | i have a manual, but i wish i had an automatic or a system that makes gears unnecessary (such as a serial hybrid) | Feb 11 00:29 |
| _goblin | even my Marshal 8080 would struggle to be heard by my nieghbours. Im not only out in the sticks but my nearest neighbour is elderly and I don't think she would hear! | Feb 11 00:29 |
| MinceR | (or is that series hybrid?) | Feb 11 00:29 |
| MinceR | well, whether one's neighbors can hear probably mostly depends on what sort of home one has :> | Feb 11 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they pretend to be deaf so as not to talk to you !! | Feb 11 00:32 |
| MinceR | that can be useful, actually | Feb 11 00:32 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Probably... | Feb 11 00:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/were-linux-again "The Linux Foundation is always on the move, looking for new ways to promote Linux and Open Source adoption. From Linux.com to credit cards bearing a smiling Tux, there is always something new on at Foundation HQ. At the moment, it's the return of a good idea, as last year's Linux advertising contest turns up for Round II." | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.difi.no%2Fartikkel%2F2010%2F02%2Fer-ooxml-standardene-som-brukes-i-microsoft-office-uegnet-for-offentlig-sektor&sl=auto&tl=en | Feb 11 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, we could make a Linux ad by mashing up | Feb 11 00:35 |
| schestowitz | All it takes is a decent editor | Feb 11 00:35 |
| schestowitz | You could take monkey dance and turn it into a Linux ad | Feb 11 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Dubbing Ballmer | Feb 11 00:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KUeCUMJPMI | Feb 11 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Trance... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3elp_steve-ballmer-dance-monkey-boy-remi_fun | Feb 11 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boldpng.info/ | Feb 11 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://shareable.net/blog/cafe-asks-customers-to-turn-off-laptops-talk | Feb 11 00:56 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTEpiFcn0wI&feature=related (Red Dwarf Full Theme Tune) | Feb 11 00:56 |
| *MinceR is listening to: DragonForce - Inhuman Rampage - 1. Through The Fire And Flames | Feb 11 00:56 | |
| cubezzz | wow, a whole site for router attacks | Feb 11 00:57 |
| cubezzz | evidently router attacks are common now | Feb 11 00:57 |
| cubezzz | http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/router-hacking-challenge/ | Feb 11 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10448211-27.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Feb 11 01:02 |
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| schestowitz | "That's not much information, but it sounds like contract negotiations are indeed behind the problem. " | Feb 11 01:02 |
| schestowitz | What a mass | Feb 11 01:02 |
| schestowitz | *mess | Feb 11 01:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] I think google buzz is gonna end up like facebook... i hate facebook..I'll probably stick with identi.ca... | Feb 11 01:02 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it's a nice tune | Feb 11 01:04 |
| cubezzz | anyone know how to deal with "/usr/bin/xauth: timeout in locking authority file" | Feb 11 01:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #TNA is really cutting some excellent promo's...Mick Foley/Bischoff , AJ/Joe to name a few.....great stuff! #wrestling | Feb 11 01:10 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL: Inglorious bastards http://imgur.com/3YFVx #ftw #grammarnazi (via @sup3rkiddo) | Feb 11 01:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] QOTD: Madness is like gravity all it needs a little push #batman | Feb 11 01:17 | |
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| schestowitz | "Ms Palin, you fail - http://bit.ly/cEvBzq remind me again why people are seriously talking about this lady as a Presidential candidate?" http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8812547735 | Feb 11 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I like it | Feb 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/ms_palin_you_fail.php | Feb 11 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | OMG | Feb 11 01:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @normnz Crowdsourcing analysis of climategate. Guardian UK again leads the way in public analysis http://ur1.ca/lxt4 | Feb 11 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | "Riiiight: so Buzz seems to post its updates to my inbox...that's going to make me *much* more productive..." http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8906744552 | Feb 11 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/373475/ | Feb 11 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... some person here was unhappy with the mere mention of the site, BUT... did not actually give example of "lies" http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010021002635OPMS#talkback_area | Feb 11 01:57 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 11 02:04 |
| schestowitz | What the heck...... http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20100206/908/ten-shah-rukh-signs-off-sexy-body-scan-p.html | Feb 11 02:04 |
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| cubezzz | well the docs on Allchin etc aren't FUD | Feb 11 02:16 |
| cubezzz | stuff like "cut off their air supply" is not FUD, since there's a record of it | Feb 11 02:16 |
| cubezzz | I shouldn't say docs, but exhibits and/or emails | Feb 11 02:16 |
| cubezzz | and for each negative remark there's stuff like: | Feb 11 02:18 |
| cubezzz | "PS: Let me say I appreciate very much the service people like Roy and Pamela do. I want them to know they're sorely needed." | Feb 11 02:18 |
| cubezzz | direct quote from Linux today | Feb 11 02:18 |
| cubezzz | anyone can make vague negative remarks... | Feb 11 02:18 |
| cubezzz | regardless of that the march to Linux is definitely on | Feb 11 02:21 |
| cubezzz | that for me transcends any superficial remarks... | Feb 11 02:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/maddow-blasts-republicans-hypocrisy/ | Feb 11 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/matthews-palin-frightening-empty-vessel/ | Feb 11 02:29 |
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| cubezzz | take youtube comments as an example | Feb 11 02:29 |
| cubezzz | 95% negative back-biting comments | Feb 11 02:30 |
| cubezzz | that's what dealing with the public is like | Feb 11 02:30 |
| cubezzz | ok, maybe it's not _that_ bad ;) | Feb 11 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Youtube is bad | Feb 11 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Anonymous comments from rude bypassers | Feb 11 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Digg got worse too.. | Feb 11 02:33 |
| schestowitz | 4chan is terrible | Feb 11 02:33 |
| cubezzz | they should moderate the really bad ones | Feb 11 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Profane | Feb 11 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow BN will do post #9000 | Feb 11 02:34 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2010/02/04/please-read-security-issue-on-amo/ | Feb 11 02:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @evgenymorozov: RT @cnet Google Buzz: privacy nightmare http://bit.ly/c4xnFM | Feb 11 02:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sivavaid: Where r all the tech writers who were buzzing about #buzz yesterday? Dont care abt bad privacy design? Real users? Dissidents? | Feb 11 02:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sivavaid: Once again, #Google, u have made the defaults good for u, bad for real people. Need expertise, guidance 2 even know 2 opt-out | Feb 11 02:43 | |
| schestowitz | gn | Feb 11 02:46 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: yes youtube is quite a phenomenon | Feb 11 04:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: but most comment threads devolve like this. sign of the times. | Feb 11 04:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/alykhansatchu/status/8946622633 | Feb 11 04:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "China has ordered managers of its vast currency reserves to withdraw from risky dollar assets and retreat to core debt http://bit.ly/bSQ3nv " | Feb 11 04:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "@Satyagraha_ji RT @TheAngryindian: Australia close to defaulting | Feb 11 04:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | on debts: Joyce - ABC News http://ow.ly/16avS " | Feb 11 04:52 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "US Director of National Intelligence, said: "The decision by a United Kingdom court to release classified information provided by the United States is not helpful, and we deeply regret it." | Feb 11 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | unhelpful to the cabal's interests | Feb 11 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | very helpful for those seeking accountability for crimes | Feb 11 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Wow. DaemonFC would love this guy: http://azstarnet.com/article_a20478bb-553c-5c1e-b9a9-27aa27a95cae.html | Feb 11 05:20 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "Quit smoking before you can eat." | Feb 11 05:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] An Open Letter to Oracle on #Accessibility http://bit.ly/9PiDlL | Feb 11 05:41 | |
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| Ender2070 | "The Raw Story reports that terrorists who want to overthrow the United States government must now register with South Carolina's Secretary of State and declare their intentions — or face a $25,000 fine and up to 10 years in prison. | 08:05 |
| Ender2070 | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/south-carolinas-subversive-activities-registration-act-force/ | 08:05 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Feb 11 08:09 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Feb 11 08:09 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Sun Nov 29 20:53:52 2009 | Feb 11 08:09 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Feb 11 08:09 | |
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| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Feb 11 08:17 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] TSA detains Middle-Eastern Studies major for carrying Arabic-English flashcards http://ur1.ca/m272 | Feb 11 09:02 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canadian thinktank withdraws copyright "research" that plagiarised US lobbyists, publishes new balanced recommendations http://ur1.ca/m273 | Feb 11 09:02 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Google's experimental 1gbit Internet that I will never use http://ur1.ca/m009 | Feb 11 09:02 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] US Trade Rep wants your input on ACTA http://ur1.ca/m276 | Feb 11 09:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: TSA detains Middle-Eastern Studies major for carrying Arabic-English flashcards Boing Boing .::. Size~: 64.97 KB | Feb 11 09:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canadian thinktank withdraws copyright "research" that plagiarised US lobbyists, publishes new balanced recommendations Boing Boing .::. Size~: 37.22 KB | Feb 11 09:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Official Google Blog: Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network .::. Size~: 84.54 KB | Feb 11 09:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: US Trade Rep wants your input on ACTA Boing Boing .::. Size~: 65.72 KB | Feb 11 09:02 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2010/02/10/why-cant-i-send-myself-an-e-mail-on-gmail/ "Google’s explanation is that it’s changed how such e-mails are handled to avoid duplication: it appears to believe that the only reason you’d send a message to yourself is as part of a mailing list, in which case you already know what is in the message." | Feb 11 09:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why cant I send myself an e-mail on Gmail? - TECH.BLORGE.com .::. Size~: 39.61 KB | Feb 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-and-british-library-develop-open-source-research-tool-3306 "The software requires Sharepoint, which is about as closed as it gets. This is a simple, unequivocal and unsubtle attempt to embed Sharepoint dependency into the academic sector, and the Microsoft stack that goes with it, and the BL are incredibly naive for not seeing this." | Feb 11 09:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft And British Library Develop Open Source Research Tool - News - eWeekEurope.co.uk .::. Size~: 25.72 KB | Feb 11 09:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Liberals pushing more patents, easier and cheaper to obtain: http://i5.be/asL | Feb 11 09:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Torvalds is the fellow who advised his people not to read patents, setting the public disclosure of patents on its head http://i5.be/asN | Feb 11 10:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IPBiz: On freedom to operate opinions and ignoring patents .::. Size~: 23.76 KB | Feb 11 10:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] RT: @Kletskous: One virusscanner on Windows is not enough: 32% of computers with AV are infected: http://is.gd/88ZzS | Feb 11 10:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 22.46 KB | Feb 11 10:21 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] An Israeli on the radio talking about international law, how ironic is that? #palestine #occupation #israel | Feb 11 10:32 | |
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| schestowitz | "...upcoming migration of MIT's SAP ERP environment to Intel/Linux servers." [MIT] http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2010/vmware-enterprise.html | Feb 11 10:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IS&T announces extension of VMware Enterprise License Agreement and availability of new products .::. Size~: 15.1 KB | Feb 11 10:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/188857/intel_atom_netbooks_get_wholedisk_encryption.html | Feb 11 10:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intel Atom Netbooks Get Whole-disk Encryption - PCWorld .::. Size~: 68.3 KB | Feb 11 10:51 |
| schestowitz | "The C4KNetbook software does have some limitations. It only runs on Atom-based systems (no other families such as Via's C7 are supported as being 'optimised') and also only works on the 32-bit versions of Windows so Linux-based netbooks are out." | Feb 11 10:51 |
| schestowitz | What level of incompetence... | Feb 11 10:52 |
| schestowitz | People can use FOSS to achieve this | Feb 11 10:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/dell_perc_11th_gen_qualified_hdds_only/ | Feb 11 11:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell servers block un-Dell HDDs • Channel Register .::. Size~: 18.2 KB | Feb 11 11:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sat in the doctors waiting room.hoping he can do something.sick of being sick. 5 days now. | Feb 11 11:18 | |
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| schestowitz | GS is "Doing God's work" again: http://www.americanbankingnews.com/2010/02/10/did-goldman-sachs-nysegs-help-greece-cook-its-books/ | Feb 11 11:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Did Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS) Help Greece Cook its Books? - American Banking News .::. Size~: 69.49 KB | Feb 11 11:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GoldmanSachs is "Doing God's work" again: http://ur1.ca/m2s8 #corruption #theft #debt #bak | Feb 11 11:33 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Did Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS) Help Greece Cook its Books? - American Banking News .::. Size~: 69.49 KB | Feb 11 11:33 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://mac.blorge.com/2010/02/09/the-ipad-is-drm-doom-says-drm-doom-group/ | Feb 11 11:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The iPad is DRM doom, says DRM doom group - MAC.BLORGE .::. Size~: 37.51 KB | Feb 11 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Got login? | Feb 11 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://ca.linexlegal.com/index.php | Feb 11 11:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linex Legal > Enterprise Content Portal .::. Size~: 55.58 KB | Feb 11 11:45 |
| schestowitz | "EU: EPO considers relaxing software patent rules"" | Feb 11 11:45 |
| schestowitz | The European Patent Office is considering whether to redefine the criteria for patenting software inventions. | Feb 11 11:46 |
| MinceR | why feed the anti-FLOSS crApple cultists? | Feb 11 11:48 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: | Feb 11 11:49 |
| schestowitz | European Union: EPO Considers Relaxing Software Patent Rules http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=93174 | Feb 11 11:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: European Union, Intellectual Property, EPO Considers Relaxing Software Patent Rules - CMS Cameron McKenna LLP - 02/02/2010, Patent, International Law, EU Law, IT & Telecoms, Software .::. Size~: 61.08 KB | Feb 11 11:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: by accident | Feb 11 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I paste the wrong URL | Feb 11 11:49 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 11 11:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to rebut that one later | Feb 11 11:49 |
| MinceR | it's funny how some people are willing to fight against their own freedom | Feb 11 11:49 |
| schestowitz | They are trained that way | Feb 11 11:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=121562 | Feb 11 11:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: MediaPost Publications Ubuntu Defaults To Yahoo Search Engine 01/29/2010 .::. Size~: 47.61 KB | Feb 11 11:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.katonda.com/news/ubuntu-use-microsoft-money/672/2010 | Feb 11 11:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft To Power Ubuntu Search | Katonda .::. Size~: 28.63 KB | Feb 11 11:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/21448.cfm | Feb 11 11:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu makes deal with Yahoo for default search engine .::. Size~: 66.33 KB | Feb 11 11:55 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10444817-71.html | Feb 11 11:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Report: Jobs says 'don't be evil' mantra is BS | Technically Incorrect - CNET News .::. Size~: 227.32 KB | Feb 11 11:55 |
| MinceR | it is, but i doubt jobs has any right to call them on it | Feb 11 11:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222601015&subSection=News ""After 20 years of using Microsoft OSes, I'm moving to Linuxpermanently," wrote Russ Latham. "I just wiped Win 7 off my new Acer and installed Ubuntu 9.10. Everything works and the battery is showing normal capacity," he wrote. " | Feb 11 12:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows 7 A Battery Hog, Users Complain -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 89.47 KB | Feb 11 12:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Feb 11 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer and Pearly call Google evil | Feb 11 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2010/feb/06/michael-battle-brings-concept-ubuntu-chur-20100206/?nwa-religion | Feb 11 12:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Michael Battle Brings Concept Of ‘Ubuntu’ To Church .::. Size~: 24.86 KB | Feb 11 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Should bring the s/w too | Feb 11 12:08 |
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| schestowitz | This is a nice wallpaper: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4500810262.html | Feb 11 12:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Mint 8 achieves final KDE version .::. Size~: 36.85 KB | Feb 11 12:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] 4 new ARM platform jobs going at Canonical #ubuntu http://bit.ly/XSG4S | Feb 11 12:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu Jobs | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 31.21 KB | Feb 11 12:17 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8506148.stm | Feb 11 12:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 97.69 KB | Feb 11 12:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone know where iTunes stores downloaded podcasts on OSX? :S I'd like to rsync them over to another machine to watch on telly.. | Feb 11 12:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks, found podcasts in /Users/clare/Music/iTunes/Podcasts .I have two users, shareing one iTunes folder, that's why I couldn't find them! | Feb 11 12:40 | |
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| Eruaran_ | hell0o | Feb 11 12:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Now I think about it, I wonder if it might be easier to just 'share' out the folder on the Mac to other machines. OSX does SMB right? | Feb 11 12:49 | |
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| schestowitz | Hello | Feb 11 13:00 |
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| omar_ | Hi all. | Feb 11 13:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] OOXML Not Suitable for Norwegian Govt., says study. : http://tinyurl.com/yzwjpvr (Actually, #OOXML isn't suitable for anybody, ya know) | Feb 11 13:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Computerworld > OOXML not suitable for Norwegian government, says study .::. Size~: 23.58 KB | Feb 11 13:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I LOVE Mlabbass 3ala 29'ameh!! YUMMY! :-D | Feb 11 13:09 | |
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| Eruaran | my upgrade to KDE SC 4.4 hasn't been so smooth | Feb 11 13:18 |
| Eruaran | Partially resolved now but not completely | Feb 11 13:18 |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/02/botnets-increasingly-wielded-for-ideological-uses.ars << We know this one too well. schestowitz | Feb 11 13:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Botnets increasingly wielded for ideological uses .::. Size~: 30.2 KB | Feb 11 13:31 |
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| trmanco | hey | Feb 11 13:41 |
| MinceR | hay | Feb 11 13:41 |
| trmanco | was tuesday a patch day for windows? | Feb 11 13:41 |
| trmanco | I installed some updates on this machine yesterday and now it takes twice as much time to fully boot up :/ | Feb 11 13:42 |
| oiaohm | What OS is your machine trmanco | Feb 11 13:48 |
| trmanco | it's not my machine | Feb 11 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Ok what OS is it. | Feb 11 13:48 |
| trmanco | windows | Feb 11 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 or Windows Vista ? | Feb 11 13:48 |
| oiaohm | If so check age of network card drivers. | Feb 11 13:48 |
| trmanco | Bista | Feb 11 13:48 |
| trmanco | they were updated yesterday, after it those other updated that slowed this down | Feb 11 13:49 |
| oiaohm | One particular update with network card drivers over 18 months old snails the system to hell. | Feb 11 13:49 |
| trmanco | I guess it's common | Feb 11 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Even worse it happens to SBS 2003 server and 2008 server as well. trmanco | Feb 11 13:49 |
| trmanco | the network driver had a november 2009 date on it | Feb 11 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Ok so its not the network stack change. | Feb 11 13:50 |
| oiaohm | I guess reset winsock. | Feb 11 13:50 |
| trmanco | it had something to do with the heart of the system | Feb 11 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Something that should happen on start up of a os ie clear network stack. | Feb 11 13:50 |
| trmanco | I had to shut it down to install the updates | Feb 11 13:50 |
| oiaohm | But MS you have to manually trigger it. | Feb 11 13:51 |
| trmanco | then when it tried to boot up, it finished installing whatever it had to install | Feb 11 13:51 |
| trmanco | it's spooky how this works | Feb 11 13:51 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, we know. | Feb 11 13:51 |
| oiaohm | And that is the other thing Vista will install some updates in background | Feb 11 13:51 |
| trmanco | yes, that's what it did | Feb 11 13:52 |
| trmanco | it's creepy stuff | Feb 11 13:52 |
| oiaohm | After the reboot | Feb 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* Bista" | Feb 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | "Beasta" | Feb 11 13:52 |
| oiaohm | And even more annoying it can trigger a background defrag after some updates. | Feb 11 13:52 |
| trmanco | Besta | Feb 11 13:52 |
| trmanco | well | Feb 11 13:52 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: age of anti-virus software is also critical. | Feb 11 13:52 |
| trmanco | my harddrive hasn't stopped trashing | Feb 11 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Vespa | Feb 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | since I've booted the machine | Feb 11 13:53 |
| MinceR | Messta | Feb 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | I'm not doing anything besides having a browser open | Feb 11 13:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Neh. | Feb 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | and this is a good laptop | Feb 11 13:53 |
| oiaohm | If your anti-virus is really old some of the background scanning stuff got changed recenty that old anti-viruses loss track of what they have scanned. trmanco | Feb 11 13:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe Vista is SETI@Home-enabled | Feb 11 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Is it SETI Edition? | Feb 11 13:53 |
| trmanco | it's using 40% of 4 GB of ram | Feb 11 13:53 |
| MinceR | more like m$@home | Feb 11 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 11 13:54 |
| trmanco | anti virus is up to date | Feb 11 13:54 |
| Eruaran | kubuntu kde sc 4.4 upgrade has teh kdm bug atm... | Feb 11 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft crawls site for Bong, with people's "PCs" | Feb 11 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Upgrading of a DE in-place is tricky | Feb 11 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Better let distributor do that | Feb 11 13:55 |
| trmanco | hah | Feb 11 13:55 |
| trmanco | HD finally stopped | Feb 11 13:55 |
| trmanco | it just flicks now, the HD LED | Feb 11 13:55 |
| oiaohm | I was refering to anti-virus engine. trmanco | Feb 11 13:56 |
| trmanco | og that crap | Feb 11 13:56 |
| trmanco | oh* | Feb 11 13:56 |
| trmanco | norton 360 | Feb 11 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep she would have gone a little nuts. | Feb 11 13:57 |
| oiaohm | I will not install nortons any more. It too much black mail ware. | Feb 11 13:59 |
| oiaohm | I have a few brands of anti-virus in that camp. Due to what they do when they run out of licence. | Feb 11 13:59 |
| trmanco | best I've ever tried was nod32 | Feb 11 14:00 |
| trmanco | of kaspersky | Feb 11 14:00 |
| oiaohm | nod32 is fine. | Feb 11 14:01 |
| oiaohm | modern day kaspersky is a pain in ass if you let it run out of time. | Feb 11 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Worst of all is McAfee | Feb 11 14:02 |
| oiaohm | It don't really work and its a prick. | Feb 11 14:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just discovered that not only can one connect to facebook chat over xmpp, but you can send files over it too.. handy! | Feb 11 14:16 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Nice! RD: @glynmoody: Facebook Chat moves to XMPP/Jabber standard - http://bit.ly/bNQ33a a bit more openness from Facebook #facebook #xmpp | Feb 11 14:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Facebook Chat moves to XMPP/Jabber standard - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.63 KB | Feb 11 14:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @victorvic: #TOIsteals RT @KalyanVarma Here's the full details on what Times of India stole http://bit.ly/byPOi7 | Feb 11 14:28 | |
| schestowitz | That's a very good show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecBEk1UIxwo | Feb 11 14:32 |
| Eruaran | Seems to be a KDM issue after upgrading kubuntu to KDE SC 4.4 | Feb 11 14:36 |
| Eruaran | Have to ctrl+alt+F8 ctrl+alt+F7 otherwise you get nothing but artifacts | Feb 11 14:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Drupal Install Humps | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9s7wjp | Feb 11 14:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Drupal Install Humps | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 13.43 KB | Feb 11 14:38 |
| Eruaran | 4.4 looks swishy | Feb 11 14:38 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] RS @x1101: Good luck all you outlaws in the UK, apparently you have RoboCop to deal with now too. Beware SkyNet. http://is.gd/89JvG !LO | Feb 11 14:57 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Hardware Story | Armed Robot Drones To Join UK Police Force .::. Size~: 156.53 KB | Feb 11 14:57 |
| oiaohm | I wonder how long before the crimes start using drones. | Feb 11 14:58 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Feb 11 15:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | the droogs! | Feb 11 15:21 |
| oiaohm | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-02/09/xbox-live-should-not-be-advertising-cosmetics.aspx | Feb 11 15:25 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Alexander Mcqueen has died today | Feb 11 15:27 | |
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| MinceR | qu1j0t3: horrorshow. | Feb 11 15:43 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Try! It works magically! can anyone explain me how? RT @reality: "rm -rf /bin/laden" #linux <--- LOL! | Feb 11 16:07 | |
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| qu1j0t3 | SLashdot article where Google says they refused request from Australian government to censor │ | Feb 11 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | content | Feb 11 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | awesome. | Feb 11 16:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | I guess we don't hear about the censorship they do for the US govt. ;-) | Feb 11 16:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | Wow. More FUD in /. from Australia; "if the cost of assessing open source [is] greater than the cost of the software, you would have to think twice" | Feb 11 16:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Armed robot drones to join #UK #police force" 1)does this solve any problem that actually exists? 2)has Charles de Menezes been forgotten? | Feb 11 16:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Armed robot drones to join #UK #police force" <--- the key to this riddle is #BAE. Cui bono? (Yes we know the answers) | Feb 11 16:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Vonster If Wolff Olins had done it there'd be some golf clapping right now. http://bit.ly/apuNa3 // omg that's awful #design #branding | Feb 11 16:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @c0t0d0s0 article about Niagara 3 (and Power7) at arstechnica http://bit.ly/cm9N1g // GEEKOUT. #RISC lives. #sparc #power #sun #ibm | Feb 11 16:39 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Sun is making the #SPARC T3. finally! http://ur1.ca/m3eq | Feb 11 16:42 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Feb 11 16:55 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Valentine's day special : Show your love for free software; "I <3 freedom and free software" !foss !linux http://tinyurl.com/yc7pzfb | Feb 11 16:57 | |
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| qu1j0t3 | Omar87: ola | Feb 11 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Google Goes With Gentoo Portage for ChromeOS Build - http://bit.ly/d74rCg interesting move (via @monkchips) #chromeos #gentoo | Feb 11 17:33 | |
| Aondo | the last link there. at the end it says : We already knew that Google was leaning on Canonical/Ubuntu to help them with ChromeOS, | Feb 11 17:47 |
| Aondo | what does it talk about? | Feb 11 17:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @AmazonWatch #Peru's grand #oil plans are backfiring: http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE54H6EN20090518 at last, some good news #amazon | Feb 11 18:00 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pretty awesome ad for a product branding design whatever company http://ur1.ca/m3mc | Feb 11 18:17 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:47] <Aondo> what does it talk about? | Feb 11 18:22 |
| Aondo | heya | Feb 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | They collaborated a littl | Feb 11 18:22 |
| schestowitz | ask jono | Feb 11 18:23 |
| jono | ask me about what? | Feb 11 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I gotta take a shoer, brb | Feb 11 18:23 |
| schestowitz | [17:33] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [anivar] RT @glynmoody: Google Goes With Gentoo Portage for ChromeOS Build - http://bit.ly/d74rCg interesting move (via @monkchips) #chromeos #gentoo | Feb 11 18:23 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <Aondo> the last link there. at the end it says : We already knew that Google was leaning on Canonical/Ubuntu to help them with ChromeOS, | Feb 11 18:23 |
| Aondo | ah yes that | Feb 11 18:23 |
| Aondo | just wondering what it's about :) | Feb 11 18:24 |
| jono | schestowitz enjoy your shoer :P | Feb 11 18:25 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 18:25 |
| jono | Aondo, yeah we have been working with Google | Feb 11 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/021010-new-russian-botnet-tries-to.html joke comments as well http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010021001735NWNT | Feb 11 18:27 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Chapter 20 of The Legend of Koizumi is out http://ur1.ca/m3n9 | Feb 11 18:27 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Happy Birthday #GlennBeck http://ur1.ca/m3np #douchebag | Feb 11 18:32 | |
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| sebsebseb | Yep relying on one anti virus isn't enough http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1224 and ok comment, but the joke isn't that funny http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-11-002-35-SY-MS-SW-0000 | Feb 11 18:35 |
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| Aondo | jono, yea it's good. do yo u know on what exactly? | Feb 11 18:37 |
| jono | Aondo, not really, I am not on that project | Feb 11 18:37 |
| jono | sorry | Feb 11 18:37 |
| Aondo | ok i was just suprised since i didnt see anything on this before :D and it got me curious hehe | Feb 11 18:38 |
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| sebsebseb | well that's interesting that ChromeOS will use portage | Feb 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | jono: So what did Canonical actsaully help them with when it came to ChromeOS? | Feb 11 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: | Feb 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | chromeos | Feb 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | portage | Feb 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | GODDAMNIT | Feb 11 18:46 |
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| Diablo-D3 | WHY GOOGLE YOU FUCKING FUCKS | Feb 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: uh? | Feb 11 18:47 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I don't know, like I say, I am not involved in the project | Feb 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | jono: heh yeah companies, you may work for Canonical, but you won't know all the Canonical stuff that is going on | Feb 11 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: I hate google. | Feb 11 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | they ruined chromeos | Feb 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: what why? | Feb 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | you mean chromeium OS or? | Feb 11 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they're gentoo fags! | Feb 11 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothing good comes from gentoo fags | Feb 11 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking ricer fucks | Feb 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | ricer? | Feb 11 18:49 |
| jono | sebsebseb, what happens when a company is big :) | Feb 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Canonical isn't that big though/ | Feb 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Feb 11 18:49 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I would call 300+ staff big | Feb 11 18:50 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | jono: oh right well I didn't know the staff number | Feb 11 18:50 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yesterday I vm'd | Feb 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | well | Feb 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | I should say I bothered to install the alpha 2 ISO into the Virtualbox hard disk that I had made before | Feb 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | then get the updates, so I could get the me menu | Feb 11 18:51 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | I got alpha 1 vm here as well, but there was issue with updating before or whatever etc. anyway | Feb 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | me menu doesn't seem like much without any logged in accounts | Feb 11 18:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Taffy "I Love My Radio" is, despite the cheesy melody, rhythmically perfect. I'm slightly gobsmacked. We need an EBM cover, "I Love My MP3." | Feb 11 18:52 | |
| sebsebseb | plus I was never that keen on the edited fusa ( fast user account switcher ) applet in the first place, beause of how it then removes shut down and log out from system menu with it enabled | Feb 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 had both :) | Feb 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 was good | Feb 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 is good | Feb 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | 9.04's fusa I didn't like much at all so just removed. 9.10's well nice icon | Feb 11 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | and now this new thing, fusa is linked to the social features hrm, so can't just remove one whilst keeping the other :( | Feb 11 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | oh and that's nice that I can still have icons in system menu and what was removed from places, but that's ashame that I had to change something in gconf to do it, since the upstream gnome decision to remove interface | Feb 11 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I might end up replaceing Ubuntu on the other computer with Mandriva, sooner than I thought I might end up doing it, not sure just yet | Feb 11 18:55 |
| jono | sebsebseb, no worries, its all free software :) | Feb 11 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: portage is meant to be good, but can't remember what it's called, but what ArchLinux uses, is meant to be better | Feb 11 18:56 |
| jweyrich | pacman. | Feb 11 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I don't think having social features there by default, and even Ubuntu One, and music store, is that good, if a distro is meant to be for familys and so on. young children for example won't be using those features. I also think Mandriva is more user friendly since it's control centre, which makes configuring the distro easy. It also has parantal controls there in the default install, something Ubuntu does not have. Altough | Feb 11 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | someone told me that someone was working on some for 10.04, plus I know there's already Dansguardian in the repo. | Feb 11 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | jweyrich: yep that's the one, and that one is apparantly the best | Feb 11 18:59 |
| jweyrich | I didn't find it better or worse. but I haven't used enough. | Feb 11 19:00 |
| jweyrich | however, it's much easier to create packages. | Feb 11 19:00 |
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| jweyrich | comparing to portage. | Feb 11 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really care what I use | Feb 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | RPM's Deb's | Feb 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | Synaptic, Software Centre, RPMdrake in Mandriva etc | Feb 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really care as long as I can easilly install software that I want :) | Feb 11 19:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight - More reasons to be cautious of Chip & Pin http://tinyurl.com/yu3cs | Feb 11 19:01 | |
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| sebsebseb | just like I don't really care that much about what music player I use, as long as I can play the music | Feb 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | jono: going back to fusa, would of been good if the 9.10 one would be an option. in 10.04 for those who don't want me menu. Also if you know how to have that kind of stuff, and shut down and log out in system menu, like 8.10, well please say :) | Feb 11 19:03 |
| jweyrich | I care most of times. to me, a decent music player must be lightweight and support drag'n'drop playlist creation. | Feb 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | jweyrich: for me it needs to support last.fm | Feb 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and play my music of course | Feb 11 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | and music library features yeah | Feb 11 19:05 |
| jweyrich | I'm currently using Vox, scrobbling turned on, but I don't care. | Feb 11 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | Vox??? | Feb 11 19:05 |
| jweyrich | yep. it's for OSX> | Feb 11 19:05 |
| jweyrich | I don't like Songbird, nor iTunes. | Feb 11 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | hrm did I ever try song bird, I think maybe not | Feb 11 19:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: boa tarde | Feb 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | or probaby not actsaulley | Feb 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | as for Itunes screw Itunes | Feb 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | since it's only made for Windows and OS X | Feb 11 19:06 |
| jweyrich | qu1j0t3: olá :) | Feb 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | and it has it's role when it comes to the ipod vender lock in and so on as well | Feb 11 19:07 |
| jweyrich | sebsebseb: really? I though it supported linux. | Feb 11 19:07 |
| jweyrich | thought* | Feb 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | jweyrich: nope no version of Itunes for Desktop Linux | Feb 11 19:07 |
| jweyrich | geez. apple is dumb :) | Feb 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | Apple make their stuff for OS X, and sometimes WIndows, that's it | Feb 11 19:07 |
| jweyrich | http://voxapp.didgeroo.com <- vox (osx only) | Feb 11 19:08 |
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| sebsebseb | oh and stuff such as webkit becomes open source | Feb 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | that was based on KHTML what Konqueror uses so hrm | Feb 11 19:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 11 19:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://webkit.org/blog/ | Feb 11 19:10 |
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| jweyrich | webkit has a security flaw per day. heh | Feb 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | and Apple have taken loads of open source stuff and put lip stick on it, as some people would say, and some of the regular users for this channel, really don't like Apple, MinceR for example if I remmber correctly | Feb 11 19:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: right | Feb 11 19:10 |
| MinceR | if they only put lipstick on it | Feb 11 19:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | lipstick on a pig | Feb 11 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | NICE ANALOGY DUDE | Feb 11 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | GCC == BACON | Feb 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: as I said some peole would say, I read some sort of article whenever it was and then comments, or whatever yeah | Feb 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | BACON | Feb 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | Jono Bacon | Feb 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: BACON in your context meant what? | Feb 11 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: the kind you eat | Feb 11 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | delicious thin strips of pork fat | Feb 11 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | om nom nom nom | Feb 11 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | I thought you put GCC equals BACON | Feb 11 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I did. | Feb 11 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | apple is putting lipstick on pigs | Feb 11 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | apple put lipstick on gcc | Feb 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | you don't eat computer programs :D | Feb 11 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | gcc, ergo, is a pig product. | Feb 11 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | bacon seemed most suitable | Feb 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | ergo? | Feb 11 19:14 |
| *Diablo-D3 hits sebsebseb with a dictionary | Feb 11 19:14 | |
| qu1j0t3 | Diablo-D3: pork and apple is actually a very popular combination | Feb 11 19:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | oops, that was really meant for channel | Feb 11 19:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | qu1j0t3: erm, the channel did get it. | Feb 11 19:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes i know :) | Feb 11 19:15 |
| jweyrich | it remembrs me a story about eating only apples :P | Feb 11 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: you just reminded me of that Simpsons episode | Feb 11 19:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | just didn't mean to nick you | Feb 11 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: been quite a while since I saw the one I am thinking of | Feb 11 19:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: "Spider-Pig, Spider-Pig.. does whatever a Spider-Pig does.." (movie) | Feb 11 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: movie? | Feb 11 19:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: porco aranha, porco aranha, pouco porco, mais aranha | Feb 11 19:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: Simpsons Movie | Feb 11 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: I am thinking of the one where Homer does a BBQ and Lisa is against eating meat | Feb 11 19:16 |
| jweyrich | lol | Feb 11 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | and Homer has his pig and well... | Feb 11 19:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: faz chourico, nao faz isso... | Feb 11 19:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: sorry for the missing accents :) | Feb 11 19:16 |
| jweyrich | don't worry, I get it haha | Feb 11 19:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: i never really figured out how to type accents on this linux box | Feb 11 19:17 |
| jweyrich | you have to switch to US international layout. | Feb 11 19:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: ta descendo, na sua teia... (we love this song) | Feb 11 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: the one where Homer and Bart go chasing after the dead pig, that was going to be part of the BBQ | Feb 11 19:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: not sure i am familiar :-X | Feb 11 19:18 |
| jweyrich | anyone here likes the boost (c++) api? | Feb 11 19:18 |
| *jweyrich hates it. | Feb 11 19:18 | |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: it's been around quite a while that episode | Feb 11 19:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: i am sure | Feb 11 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: Simpsons Movie I liked that | Feb 11 19:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah it was pretty good. I'm a big Futurama fan. | Feb 11 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | I quite like Futerama also | Feb 11 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Feb 11 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | Family Guy is ok, but they were going to do a Windows 7 advert | Feb 11 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | a whole episode | Feb 11 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | it didn't happen though :) | Feb 11 19:23 |
| *qu1j0t3 froths at the mouth | Feb 11 19:23 | |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: uhmm? | Feb 11 19:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | somebody tweeted recently: The Critic > The Simpsons > * > The Family Guy. | Feb 11 19:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | what's The Critic? I never saw it. | Feb 11 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I was thinking that as well | Feb 11 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | What's The Critic | Feb 11 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Feb 11 19:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i guess google knows. | Feb 11 19:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't have time for tv | Feb 11 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | King Of The Hill is pretty old now | Feb 11 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's good as well | Feb 11 19:24 |
| jweyrich | some might already know: pushd, popd <- useful shell commands | Feb 11 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | I think they stopped making that show a few years ago or something | Feb 11 19:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich: yeah, reading 'info bash' is quite useful :) | Feb 11 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Manufacturers Use #GNU #Linux to Escape Dependence on Abusive Monopoly http://ur1.ca/m3s8 http://ur1.ca/m2c5 | Feb 11 19:34 | |
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| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 11 21:25 |
| Ender2070 | we discovered the inventor of trolling | Feb 11 21:25 |
| Ender2070 | their name will not be mentioned as they are still alive | Feb 11 21:26 |
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| Ender2070 | yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Bing! | Feb 11 21:30 |
| _goblin | evening all | Feb 11 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | good afternoon | Feb 11 21:37 |
| Ender2070 | Ubuntu 10.04 is going to be terrible | Feb 11 21:39 |
| Ender2070 | gay - http://bit.ly/4C9WEQ | Feb 11 21:39 |
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| _goblin | talking of which (Ubuntu) I am trying to find the BN IRC logs of the conversation with Jono. | Feb 11 21:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder if any enthusiastic Tampa Bay Linux fans will create a TampaX without thinking of the name ;) | Feb 11 21:50 | |
| _goblin | First OpenOffice was in, then it was out and now its back in again.... | Feb 11 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | the hokey cokey release | Feb 11 21:51 |
| _goblin | Ender2070: I made a point to Jono about this all being a little last minute for a release which is (and should) be touted as quite a large release for Canonical and its campaign for Linux to get onto more desktops. | Feb 11 21:52 |
| _goblin | and that was before OO was back in again. | Feb 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | look at 2 days ago | Feb 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Or 3 | Feb 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | around 1am iirc | Feb 11 21:52 |
| _goblin | where are the logs...? | Feb 11 21:52 |
| _goblin | "Can't see for looking.." | Feb 11 21:52 |
| _goblin | I think it was the 9th | Feb 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | look under "IRC log" (side bar in BN) | Feb 11 21:52 |
| _goblin | lol | Feb 11 21:53 |
| _goblin | yeah that would do it. | Feb 11 21:53 |
| _goblin | what gets me about that conversation (and hindsight) | Feb 11 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: berkun worked for MSFT, no\? | Feb 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [from memory] | Feb 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | He was outspoken about them ebfore | Feb 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://www.scottberkun.com/essays/41-why-i-left-microsoft/ | Feb 11 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | I remembered right.. | Feb 11 21:55 |
| _goblin | was that Jono suggested two things..... | Feb 11 21:55 |
| _goblin | a. Polls were not brought in by Canonical...... | Feb 11 21:55 |
| _goblin | b. They make decisions on what they think best. | Feb 11 21:55 |
| _goblin | now we see | Feb 11 21:55 |
| _goblin | a. the poll on the proprietary question was a Canonical poll | Feb 11 21:56 |
| _goblin | b. They have towed the line and listened to users (in the case of OO) | Feb 11 21:56 |
| jono | _goblin, the decision was not based on a specific poll, but of course feedback on issues is always taken into account | Feb 11 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, Microsoft likes purple | Feb 11 21:57 |
| schestowitz | jono: thanks for the decsion ;-) | Feb 11 21:57 |
| _goblin | and again, I find myself saying, its all last minute. I don't care what upgrade cycle they follow, how can 10.04 be a consideration to enterprise (and the planning that entails) when Canonical cannot even make their mind up on whats in. | Feb 11 21:57 |
| _goblin | jono : delayed comment..not a response to your point. | Feb 11 21:58 |
| jono | _goblin, nothing is last minute when it is before the Feature Freeze | Feb 11 21:58 |
| jono | that is the point of a feature freeze | Feb 11 21:58 |
| _goblin | jono: the point I am making is above. Would you like to see Enterprise adopt Ubuntu? | Feb 11 21:58 |
| jono | _goblin, of course, and these kinds of decisions happen with other distros too | Feb 11 21:59 |
| _goblin | and would it be fair to say that preparation for such a migration would take considerable work and time? | Feb 11 21:59 |
| jono | its the nature of fluid and agile software development | Feb 11 21:59 |
| jono | but we had this debate the other day, so no point rehashing it | Feb 11 21:59 |
| jono | I would prefer to clear my INBOX :) | Feb 11 21:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] damn, I love the h4cked.com guys, the banter is hilarious | Feb 11 21:59 | |
| _goblin | then how on earth can Ubuntu be seen as professional or desirable when planning a firm makes into adoption might not come to pass because of a package which has been excluded. | Feb 11 22:00 |
| _goblin | I understand about feature freezes and in terms of versions of packages thats fair enough. | Feb 11 22:00 |
| jono | _goblin, feature freezes don't apply to versions, they apply to features | Feb 11 22:01 |
| jono | feature freezes effectly make the distro fully open until that date | Feb 11 22:01 |
| jono | then at that point we are much more conservative about changes | Feb 11 22:01 |
| _goblin | so then GIMP is a "feature"? | Feb 11 22:01 |
| jono | _goblin, of course | Feb 11 22:01 |
| _goblin | and what is the decision called which settles on the version? | Feb 11 22:01 |
| _goblin | (thats included) | Feb 11 22:02 |
| jono | _goblin, I am not going through this again | Feb 11 22:02 |
| _goblin | im sure. | Feb 11 22:02 |
| jono | I would much prefer to spent my time helping Ubuntu | Feb 11 22:02 |
| jono | I understand and respect your concerns | Feb 11 22:02 |
| jono | but we are just going to need to agree to disagree | Feb 11 22:02 |
| jono | I am sorry we can't satisfy your needs | Feb 11 22:02 |
| _goblin | you can respond to the blog post where Ive quoted you telling me a/ you do as you think best (canonical) and b/ you allegedly don't make polls yet Ive out Canonical does. | Feb 11 22:03 |
| _goblin | you sure seem to be listening to the public now you know the way the wind is blowing. | Feb 11 22:03 |
| jono | heh right | Feb 11 22:03 |
| _goblin | ok. | Feb 11 22:03 |
| jono | feel free to interpret however you like | Feb 11 22:03 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <jono> but we are just going to need to agree to disagree | Feb 11 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Souds liem MS/Novell | Feb 11 22:03 |
| _goblin | Im quoting you not interpretting you. | Feb 11 22:03 |
| jono | schestowitz ? | Feb 11 22:03 |
| _goblin | I'll let others decide. | Feb 11 22:03 |
| schestowitz | This phrase | Feb 11 22:03 |
| schestowitz | *Sounds like | Feb 11 22:04 |
| _goblin | So did the "We do what we think best for our customers" | Feb 11 22:04 |
| _goblin | but I'll let others read that in context. | Feb 11 22:04 |
| schestowitz | It's a phrase they used | Feb 11 22:04 |
| jono | _goblin, the point is that yes we listen to users, of course we do, but we don't base decisions on polls | Feb 11 22:04 |
| _goblin | then why run them? | Feb 11 22:04 |
| jono | we don't take a poll and base our decisions exclusively on that | Feb 11 22:04 |
| jono | _goblin, we don't! | Feb 11 22:04 |
| _goblin | why ask anyone at all? | Feb 11 22:04 |
| jono | the community does | Feb 11 22:04 |
| _goblin | Jono you are wrong. | Feb 11 22:05 |
| jono | I never run *any* polls | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | jono | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | jono | Feb 11 22:05 |
| jono | and I am not familiar with the desktop team running polls | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | .....i don't mean you. | Feb 11 22:05 |
| jono | who do you mean? | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | I am talking Canonical | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | not you personally | Feb 11 22:05 |
| jono | where does Canonical run a poll on what software include on the disc? | Feb 11 22:05 |
| jono | can you give me a link? | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | Jono.... | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | sure.... | Feb 11 22:05 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 22:05 |
| _goblin | let me just say this first.....check the log, I was talking about the proprietary poll, you claimed ....what you've just claimed.... | Feb 11 22:06 |
| jono | can you give me a link to the poll? | Feb 11 22:06 |
| _goblin | anyway, here is the link where Canonical are creating a poll to find users opinions..... | Feb 11 22:06 |
| _goblin | and don't be rude...be patient | Feb 11 22:06 |
| jono | I don't feel I am being rude | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1381221 | Feb 11 22:07 |
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| jono | I apologize if you feel I was | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | and let me quote it here aswell | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | We are trying to gather preferences for the apps that users would like to see in upcoming version of Ubuntu. While we all believe in the power of open source applications we are also very keen that users should get to choose the software they want to use. There are some great apps that aren't yet available to Ubuntu users and Canonical would like to know the priority that users would like to see them. This list is indicative not | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | definitive and we would love to also read your suggestions in the free text box. | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | Please take the survey here: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/GFVQP62 | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | They are also requesting that anyone who has comments please do so here. | Feb 11 22:07 |
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| _goblin | Note: there has been some confusion that I would like to clear up--this is not about applications to be included by default, but merely things that we may attempt to make more easily available for Ubuntu users to install for themselves from official repositories. | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | you scurried away the other night before I got a chance to put that to you. | Feb 11 22:07 |
| jono | _goblin, erm, he doesn't work for Canonical | Feb 11 22:07 |
| jono | that is not a Canonical poll | Feb 11 22:07 |
| _goblin | I know | Feb 11 22:08 |
| _goblin | read it. | Feb 11 22:08 |
| jono | read what? | Feb 11 22:08 |
| _goblin | you are telling me Canonical DIDN't authorise it but let a senior member of the Ubuntu forums pretend Canonical had asked this. | Feb 11 22:08 |
| _goblin | and also kept the thread intact. | Feb 11 22:08 |
| _goblin | let me help you here: | Feb 11 22:08 |
| _goblin | "We are trying to gather preferences for the apps that users would like to see in upcoming version of Ubuntu." | Feb 11 22:09 |
| _goblin | for starters | Feb 11 22:09 |
| jono | I don't believe he is claiming Canonical authored the poll | Feb 11 22:09 |
| jono | if fact, I know Canonical didnt | Feb 11 22:09 |
| _goblin | ok... | Feb 11 22:09 |
| _goblin | what about | Feb 11 22:09 |
| _goblin | "There are some great apps that aren't yet available to Ubuntu users and Canonical would like to know the priority that users would like to see them. This list is indicative not" | Feb 11 22:09 |
| jono | and Matthew is a great guy but doesnt work for Canonical | Feb 11 22:09 |
| _goblin | "Canonical would like to know" | Feb 11 22:09 |
| jono | yeah he is saying that as if it would make it useful data for Canonical | Feb 11 22:09 |
| jono | dude, I am telling you Canonical didn't create the poll | Feb 11 22:10 |
| _goblin | don't play word games....they didn't have to "create it" | Feb 11 22:10 |
| _goblin | they want to know | Feb 11 22:10 |
| _goblin | someone else could create the poll | Feb 11 22:10 |
| jono | lol | Feb 11 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That Pogoplug thing was on Linux Today by the way | Feb 11 22:10 |
| jono | we don't use polls to make decisions on what goes on the disc | Feb 11 22:10 |
| _goblin | so Canonical lets people lie about what Canonical wants on their own forums do they? | Feb 11 22:10 |
| jono | I am sorry if you example was supposed to prove me otherwise, but you are pointing to a community poll | Feb 11 22:10 |
| _goblin | and don't challenge it. | Feb 11 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That's one reason I come here, the amount of links you give out, but I don't tend to go on them, even so. | Feb 11 22:11 |
| _goblin | Jono: You don't use polls? Well you certainly use public opinion which is why OO returned. | Feb 11 22:11 |
| jono | _goblin, as I said, we do listen to public opinion | Feb 11 22:11 |
| jono | of course we | Feb 11 22:11 |
| jono | do | Feb 11 22:11 |
| jono | but we don't make decisions based exclusively on polls | Feb 11 22:11 |
| _goblin | jono: just not polls because they are not public opinion? | Feb 11 22:12 |
| _goblin | and I never said you did..... | Feb 11 22:12 |
| jono | ok, I am done here | Feb 11 22:12 |
| _goblin | thought so. | Feb 11 22:12 |
| _goblin | bye | Feb 11 22:12 |
| jono | we already had this discussion | Feb 11 22:12 |
| _goblin | ok | Feb 11 22:12 |
| jono | I am sorry we are not able to meet your needs _goblin | Feb 11 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Do you even use Ubuntu? | Feb 11 22:12 |
| _goblin | I have 8.04 on a rig...for the time being. | Feb 11 22:12 |
| _goblin | and 9.10 Im actually using at the moment | Feb 11 22:13 |
| jono | cool :) | Feb 11 22:13 |
| _goblin | I know, it is. | Feb 11 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: oh right, I thought you used wolvix and stuff like that | Feb 11 22:13 |
| _goblin | I have 7 rigs in my house | Feb 11 22:13 |
| _goblin | my main rig uses wolvix | Feb 11 22:13 |
| _goblin | (but not for long) | Feb 11 22:13 |
| jono | I am sorry _goblin, I don't mean to ignore your concerns, I am just slammed at the moment with work | Feb 11 22:14 |
| _goblin | oh and 3 in my outhouse (if you include a 286 amstrad as a rig) | Feb 11 22:14 |
| jono | I just don't really see what else we can get out of the discussion | Feb 11 22:14 |
| jono | it seems like we have two diametrically different views | Feb 11 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | anyway poor jono :D he has to deal with _goblin 's Ubuntu talk :D well or just ignore it | Feb 11 22:14 |
| jono | which is awesome, and I love how Free Software welcomes all perspectives :) | Feb 11 22:14 |
| jono | sebsebseb, :) | Feb 11 22:15 |
| _goblin | jono: nothing is aimed at you. As I said before I support your work (and your stance)...this is more to do with Ubuntu, how it listens to its users and most importantly Ubuntu being a sucess for everyone. | Feb 11 22:15 |
| _goblin | jono: I am quite sure you would keep GIMP (if it was your choice) since you said many good things about it. | Feb 11 22:15 |
| jono | _goblin, I know you cherish you privacy, but I hope we can one day hop on the phone for an hour and we can talk more, I think it will help explain better | Feb 11 22:16 |
| _goblin | jono: I don't know your stance on OO..... | Feb 11 22:16 |
| jono | I love the GIMP and I love OOo | Feb 11 22:16 |
| _goblin | it probably would.....and youre right.... | Feb 11 22:16 |
| jono | and the GIMP is staying as a top level supported app, just not on the disc | Feb 11 22:16 |
| _goblin | question here jono (and I don't know the answer) merely want to know.... | Feb 11 22:16 |
| jono | in fact I am asking the Ubuntu Software Center folks to produce the Features Apps feature so we can highlight GIMP | Feb 11 22:16 |
| jono | I am concious that it doesnt get buried amongst the many other apps | Feb 11 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | jono: quite a lot of anti mono stuff when it comes to Ubuntu, and not just from boycottnovell people | Feb 11 22:17 |
| MinceR | meanwhile some random mono crap will be on the disc, right? :> | Feb 11 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | jono: anyway yesterday (if I remember correctly) someone wanted an alternative to f-spot, so gthumb was suggested here when I asked for one | Feb 11 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | jono: the web is quite intesting when it comes to Ubuntu, what people are putting as comments to stuff etc | Feb 11 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | these days | Feb 11 22:18 |
| jono | I understand you folks have concerns about Mono, and that the Ubuntu Technical Board sees things otherwise, it's just a different of opinion | Feb 11 22:18 |
| jono | fortunately, any Mono is really easy to uninstall if you are ethically opposed to it | Feb 11 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | some of use and quite like Banshee | Feb 11 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | however | Feb 11 22:18 |
| MinceR | well, money tends to change people's opinions :> | Feb 11 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | it uses Mono which is a Microsoft thing really, well sort of, and so that could cause some serious issues in the future maybe | Feb 11 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | some of us use and quite like above | Feb 11 22:19 |
| jono | MinceR, it's not about money, there is no financial gain to us shipping Mono | Feb 11 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | I don't program, but if I did | Feb 11 22:19 |
| jono | we ship it because there are apps that are valuable to our users | Feb 11 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | I so woudn't program Mono stuff | Feb 11 22:19 |
| jono | sebsebseb, same here | Feb 11 22:19 |
| jono | I much prefer Python | Feb 11 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | I woudn't use anything related to Microsoft for programming | Feb 11 22:19 |
| jono | hence me organizing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpportunisticDeveloperWeek :) | Feb 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's no financial gain in getting closer to m$ | Feb 11 22:20 |
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| sebsebseb | jono: I said I didn't program, you program Python? | Feb 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | for example, getting money for advertising their search engine isn't financial gain either | Feb 11 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: as for that Yahoo deal, well it's about money really | Feb 11 22:20 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: the "damage" of Mono may not be from any patent action, but the percieved threat due to its Microsoft parents. Rightly or wrongly, users having that view could destroy Ubuntu if they move away from it as it adopts more of it. | Feb 11 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and I think Micrsooft made that deal with Yahoo after Canonical | Feb 11 22:20 |
| _goblin | I think it was before.....wasn't it? | Feb 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | then canonical seems to have kept that delay secret for a long time :> | Feb 11 22:21 |
| _goblin | I thought the yahoo deal was in the works since early last year..... | Feb 11 22:21 |
| jono | sebsebseb, I do, I wrote Lernid, Acire, founded Jokosher and some other apps, all Python apps | Feb 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | yahoo being bingo was old news when news/rumors about canonical making it the default appeared | Feb 11 22:21 |
| jono | MinceR, well, I am sorry you don't agree with our model | Feb 11 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: yeah I looked at your website wondering about Lermid since I read something about it on IRC itself or in a log | Feb 11 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | wasn't jokosher an Aq project? | Feb 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | well, i don't agree with m$'s model either | Feb 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 11 22:22 |
| jono | ThistleWeb, nope | Feb 11 22:22 |
| jono | Aq wrote some parts of it | Feb 11 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | I think it's best to avoide Microsoft stuff as much as possible, and anything that is linked to them | Feb 11 22:22 |
| jono | MinceR, :) | Feb 11 22:22 |
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| jono | anyway friends, have to get to this overflowing INBOX | Feb 11 22:22 |
| jono | thanks all! | Feb 11 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | Wine and ReactOS are interesting projects | Feb 11 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | and one day are likely to help much more properly, to get people away from Windows :D | Feb 11 22:23 |
| _goblin | On a serious note, am I being unreasonable (or wrong) when I say the in-out decisions of Canonical would not bode well with a company considering Ubuntu take up....is that unfair? | Feb 11 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin don't know, but companies will tend to only use the LTS's | Feb 11 22:24 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if i understand that sentence, _goblin :) | Feb 11 22:24 |
| _goblin | I'll example.... | Feb 11 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | from what I know about 10.04, it doesn't target business users much at all, the desktop version | Feb 11 22:25 |
| jono | _goblin, ultimately I don't think it matters, companies typically focus on released features and don't base decisions on promised features as software always slips | Feb 11 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | companies also choose to take their community feedback as "opinion" which can be ignored when they need the money more | Feb 11 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about priorities | Feb 11 22:27 |
| _goblin | say your firm is considering switching 100 machines to Ubuntu. You understand that package X,Y,Z and hire consultants (or whatever) to plan for a large scale deployment of that software bundle.....then all of a sudden its removed....keep in mind how a firm would feel should there be what seems to be an "in" out ethos of packages....the point I make is more one of confidence in the Ubuntu product and whats percieved as last minu | Feb 11 22:27 |
| _goblin | te decisions and changes of mind surely can't bode well for Canonical image..... | Feb 11 22:27 |
| _goblin | (sorry for the delayed example, I was trying to put across why I percieve an issue) | Feb 11 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | on the subject of software being removed from default install | Feb 11 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | ok Gimp is gone | Feb 11 22:28 |
| jono | _goblin, I can see how any removal of software is odd for companies doing deployments, I entirely agree | Feb 11 22:28 |
| _goblin | and to correct - "package x,y,z is included" | Feb 11 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I expect that mainly only effects home/consumer users not business users | Feb 11 22:28 |
| jono | but I don't there is ever a good time to make that decision in a release cycle | Feb 11 22:28 |
| _goblin | jono: that was my point. | Feb 11 22:28 |
| _goblin | it was a perception thing... | Feb 11 22:28 |
| _goblin | it may not be last minute for Canonical... | Feb 11 22:28 |
| MinceR | _goblin: i don't know, probably depends on the company | Feb 11 22:29 |
| jono | I think the problem is that the news of removing an app is not tied to the point in the cycle, if a company doesnt like the decision, it wont like it at any point | Feb 11 22:29 |
| jono | but also, the integration solution is low, they just install from the repo | Feb 11 22:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mark Shuttleworth: “If #Windows API Becomes the Default on Linux Then What is the Point of [GNU/]Linux?” http://ur1.ca/m45t #mono | Feb 11 22:29 | |
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| sebsebseb | also some business Ubuntu users, might have a net book, with Ubuntu, where they had been using Open Office, but if that's so, not that many I expect | Feb 11 22:29 |
| jono | I think the thing is that all companies are different | Feb 11 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu doesn't have a more proper market share yet | Feb 11 22:29 |
| jono | so their impact varies | Feb 11 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | also Ubuntu server uh huh, but surely Debian and Redhat and CentOS are better | Feb 11 22:30 |
| _goblin | but if you are a firm looking forward to 10.04....these decisions....seem (to me) to be unprofessional and the question could be asked, shouldn't canonical know its userbase already so that it didn't have to make these changes and then more changes back. | Feb 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | what's a "proper market share"? | Feb 11 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: a more proper market share so 10% or a bit more | Feb 11 22:30 |
| jono | _goblin, in a perfect world I would agree, but that is not really how Open Source works | Feb 11 22:30 |
| jono | upstreams rev too quick and in disparate ways | Feb 11 22:30 |
| jono | thats why almost no distros make those kinds of upfront statements | Feb 11 22:30 |
| jono | anywho, sorry to run but I really do need to get on | Feb 11 22:31 |
| _goblin | jono: now that I can believe....however its of little consequence to the end user is it? If it puts them off (from a perception point of view) then its hardly a good thing. | Feb 11 22:31 |
| jono | I will be back later, we can talk then if you like_go | Feb 11 22:31 |
| jono | _goblin, | Feb 11 22:31 |
| jono | and I really would love to talk on the phone if you feel comfortable to _goblin | Feb 11 22:31 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | jono: why phone? | Feb 11 22:31 |
| jono | sebsebseb, just a better medium for debate :) | Feb 11 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | jono: since you can hear tones of voice and such you mean? | Feb 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | why is that a better medium for debate? | Feb 11 22:32 |
| _goblin | I would agree with Jono....it is far better. | Feb 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | i'd argue it's worse | Feb 11 22:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Palin is nothing but a category error. | Feb 11 22:32 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: some people really like voice | Feb 11 22:32 |
| _goblin | the only bad thing is, nobody else can be involved. | Feb 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | it's synchronous, it's more difficult to log and you can't see the buffer | Feb 11 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: so phone/skype etc | Feb 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | and it's more difficult to involve others | Feb 11 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am more of a text person, but hey I also touch type so yeah | Feb 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | skype is even worse, it's pretty much malware | Feb 11 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: thing is with online chat, well so easy to type stupid things, where as on the phone I would be more careful | Feb 11 22:33 |
| jono | _goblin, well if you fancy a chat, just let me know :) | Feb 11 22:33 |
| jono | ok folks, take care, all! | Feb 11 22:33 |
| jono | biab | Feb 11 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I don't get that many phone calls at the moment | Feb 11 22:33 |
| *jono slopes off... | Feb 11 22:33 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: it's just as easy to say stupid things | Feb 11 22:34 |
| _goblin | jono, when you come back PM me... | Feb 11 22:34 |
| MinceR | but it's easier to clarify in text | Feb 11 22:34 |
| _goblin | I think I will speak with Jono....maybe Ive misunderstood the point he was making or maybe he has me...... | Feb 11 22:34 |
| _goblin | or maybe its just txt is totally unsuitable for certain conversations. | Feb 11 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: yes Ubuntu has been going down hill for some of us since 8.04 | Feb 11 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: however most of their users don't know that | Feb 11 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | they just think whatever the latest version is, is the best | Feb 11 22:35 |
| jono | _goblin, want to schedule a call for an hour from now? | Feb 11 22:35 |
| _goblin | You see Ive actually found the opposite..... | Feb 11 22:35 |
| _goblin | ok jono | Feb 11 22:35 |
| _goblin | 1130 | Feb 11 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I meant better in certain ways, and worse in others | Feb 11 22:35 |
| jono | _goblin, can you msg me your phone number or skype id and I will call you then | Feb 11 22:35 |
| jono | thanks! | Feb 11 22:35 |
| _goblin | no skype (just landline) ok? | Feb 11 22:36 |
| jono | no worries :) | Feb 11 22:36 |
| jono | I can call your landline | Feb 11 22:36 |
| jono | :) | Feb 11 22:36 |
| _goblin | but I can ring you either...its free on evenings.... | Feb 11 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Mandriva/Mandrake used to have the Desktop Linux market now it's Ubuntu. Ubuntu has most chance at gaining a more proper market share so like around 10%, so it's a good one to support for those of us who want it to gain that, or well Desktp Linxu in general I should say | Feb 11 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: he probably keeps his phone numbers secret from the average person, since he is sort of famous in a way | Feb 11 22:37 |
| _goblin | in regards to what I was saying about Ubuntu......Ive found each version is better than the last (with no probs) - thats putting aside any Mono viewpoint. | Feb 11 22:38 |
| _goblin | 9.10 flies | Feb 11 22:38 |
| _goblin | especially boot/shutdown time | Feb 11 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: I have found that they are starting to add junk, that I don't want personalley | Feb 11 22:39 |
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| sebsebseb | Ubuntu One | Feb 11 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | me menu | Feb 11 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Feb 11 22:39 |
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| _goblin | you see I beta tested that, found it useful and use it now! | Feb 11 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | beta tested which? | Feb 11 22:39 |
| jono | _goblin, sorry got disconnected | Feb 11 22:39 |
| _goblin | Ubuntu One.... | Feb 11 22:39 |
| jono | could you re-msg your number | Feb 11 22:39 |
| _goblin | beta? or early invite? | Feb 11 22:39 |
| _goblin | can't remember | Feb 11 22:39 |
| _goblin | jono: yep two secs.... | Feb 11 22:40 |
| jono | cheers :) | Feb 11 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: there's dropbox or whatever to compete, plus when a guy tried Ubuntu One he coudn't get it working | Feb 11 22:40 |
| _goblin | true | Feb 11 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | competition is good, Windows needs some serious competition, OS X isn't, Ubuntu might be one day. Also if Ubuntu had some other distros that were properly competeting against it for the same type of user as well, that would be good as well | Feb 11 22:41 |
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| sebsebseb | _goblin: otherwise you will find it might end up getting to big | Feb 11 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: and they start to do nearly whatever they want | Feb 11 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | and get away with it | Feb 11 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | and what is being done is not always good | Feb 11 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | Windows is a good example of that kind of thing | Feb 11 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | big as in popular | Feb 11 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Really I should ask FSF to run a compain for all drivers no matter the OS to be open source. | Feb 11 22:44 |
| MinceR | are you sure it's popular? most likely it only has a large installed base | Feb 11 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people don't know the difference between windows and the computer. | Feb 11 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: oh people complaining about the Yahoo Bing deal now, and there will probably be quite a bit more of that when 10.04 comes out, but those who had an issue with it that use Ubuntu, most will just forgive Canonical for it | Feb 11 22:45 |
| oiaohm | So its not exactly free will popular sebsebseb | Feb 11 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | well it's not a big deal anyway | Feb 11 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | people can use whatever search enginge they want | Feb 11 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess the chinese can't use Google if they leave that countrey for example. | Feb 11 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Ubuntu is the most used Desktop Linux distro at the moment | Feb 11 22:46 |
| MinceR | i meant windows | Feb 11 22:46 |
| oiaohm | Mandrevia was most used desktop before Ubuntu. | Feb 11 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | Windows is popular with OEM's who install it, but a lot of their users want to use it as well, because they don't know better | Feb 11 22:46 |
| oiaohm | and their will be another after Ubuntu. | Feb 11 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | windows is popular because they make money with trialware and repairs | Feb 11 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | popular with OEMs | Feb 11 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yes I put something like that just before you joined that Mandrake/Mandriva was the most used before Ubuntu | Feb 11 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | pc with windows means upsales on security and features like MS office and Norton | Feb 11 22:48 |
| oiaohm | The thing Ubuntu forgets. Its not the distribution most of the time to the end user. Its the Desktop Envorment. | Feb 11 22:48 |
| oiaohm | I have moved between many distributions before setting up home in Debian. Yet I have stuck to KDE most of the time. | Feb 11 22:48 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/22866/Optional_Windows_7_Antipiracy_Update_To_Phone_Home << How long until this is not Optional. | Feb 11 22:50 |
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| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed it's Gnome 2 what they like really | Feb 11 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: then if a lot of them use another distro, they will tell us, however similar it is to Ubuntu | Feb 11 22:51 |
| cubezzz | there was a time before windows | Feb 11 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | if it also uses Gnome | Feb 11 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | yeah DOS | Feb 11 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | and Unix | Feb 11 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | Feb 11 22:51 |
| cubezzz | most of the older computer types know this | Feb 11 22:51 |
| cubezzz | it's ridiculous to think computer = doze | Feb 11 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Feb 11 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | well | Feb 11 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | they think PC = Windows | Feb 11 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | there was a time before windows? you jest, King Billy invented computers lol | Feb 11 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | and Mac = whatever Mac runs | Feb 11 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | well they think Mac is something rather differnet to a PC | Feb 11 22:52 |
| cubezzz | it's those silly Mac ads | Feb 11 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: indeed | Feb 11 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah that annoys me, a mac IS a PC, with set hardware and OSX as an OS, but it's still a PC | Feb 11 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically Ubuntu is nothing more than a temp bend in the market. sebsebseb | Feb 11 22:52 |
| cubezzz | their lawyers probably told them to say PC rather than windows | Feb 11 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the Apple adverts will say how PC's get viruses and so on | Feb 11 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | uh well Windows yes | Feb 11 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not even that, PC = "personal" computer, since they have so much control, it's hardly your "personal" computer, you only own the hardware | Feb 11 22:53 |
| oiaohm | If Ubuntu keeps on providing bad parts sooner or latter they will lose out to someone else. I remember when Mandrake was too bleeding edge. | Feb 11 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | other OS's that run on a PC, not as likely | Feb 11 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: providing bad parts? | Feb 11 22:54 |
| cubezzz | but they also say windows explicitly in "Broken Promises" | Feb 11 22:54 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Items like version of pulseaudio used meaning that some sound cards don't work with 9.10 for instance. | Feb 11 22:54 |
| cubezzz | "it won't have any of the problems windows xxxx had..." etc etc | Feb 11 22:54 |
| ThistleWeb | the way Ubuntu are heading, I wonder if they'll go down in history as the distro that broke linux into the mainstream and lost it's users along the way....lost the prize to those who followed | Feb 11 22:54 |
| cubezzz | there's three things really: Linux, BSD and GNU | Feb 11 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: true it's becoming more "mainstream" or whatever now, but a lot of us more experienced users, are getting annoyed with it | Feb 11 22:55 |
| cubezzz | those things all combine to make OSes | Feb 11 22:55 |
| cubezzz | except for doze | Feb 11 22:55 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: history is repeating. | Feb 11 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | mainstream aint an issue for me, Canonical putting their own needs ahead of the community is becoming more and more of an issue | Feb 11 22:56 |
| cubezzz | and X of course :) | Feb 11 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | 18 months and a version is no longer supported hrm | Feb 11 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 is a great release, well | Feb 11 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | the bing deal was just the latest | Feb 11 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | ok ethernet didn't work on other computer | Feb 11 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | sorry yahoo-skin | Feb 11 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | anyway my point is | Feb 11 22:56 |
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| sebsebseb | would be good if we could maintain an old version our selves, useing offical repo's | Feb 11 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | when it's no longer offically supported | Feb 11 22:57 |
| ThistleWeb | that's where "based on ubuntu" distros come in | Feb 11 22:57 |
| cubezzz | I am an old version :) | Feb 11 22:57 |
| ThistleWeb | like mint or crunchbang | Feb 11 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 with a new kernel and Firefox and a few other things, would be a great distro today | Feb 11 22:57 |
| cubezzz | actually you can, just archive your old ISO's | Feb 11 22:57 |
| ThistleWeb | although mint does rather like mono :/ | Feb 11 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 is still pretty good at the moment, but on the verge of being unsupported | Feb 11 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Canonidal is doing many things wrong. | Feb 11 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | I got a woman on 8.10 still, she knows she has to upgrade to 10.04 | Feb 11 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | well or change distro | Feb 11 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | or run 8.10 without security updates | Feb 11 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu support system has a lot of people duplicating or producing data that should be on the upstream projects site. | Feb 11 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what do you mean? | Feb 11 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | reporting bugs to ubuntu, not upstream | Feb 11 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | there's value in a central bugs site | Feb 11 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu wiki for instance. There are instructions for wine that are currently obsolete even for the versions of wine Ubuntu runs. | Feb 11 23:00 |
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| ThistleWeb | it'd work great if every project used it though | Feb 11 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Result is wine support gets a lot of Ubuntu users reporting that X application does not work and its purely because they followed Ubuntu instructions instead of instructions in the wine appdb. | Feb 11 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Then Ubuntu complains appdb is not in plain enough english. Sorry we don't have the writers to write better. Because distributions like Ubuntu are sucking the supply away from wine. | Feb 11 23:02 |
| oiaohm | How a distribution handles it support systems can be really damaging to upstream. | Feb 11 23:03 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_67 << Had that issue. | Feb 11 23:08 |
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| sebsebseb | oiaohm: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/021010-new-russian-botnet-tries-to.html joke comments as well http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010021001735NWNT | Feb 11 23:10 |
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| sebsebseb | Yep relying on one anti virus isn't enough http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1224 and ok comment, but the joke isn't that funny http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-11-002-35-SY-MS-SW-0000 | Feb 11 23:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 22.49 KB | Feb 11 23:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 75.59 KB | Feb 11 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nine Inch Nails "Ghosts I": a collection of B-sides and leftovers with nothing compelling. Nice, but of no importance whatsoever. | Feb 11 23:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More problems with the #iPad and how #Freesoftware makes its case at #Apple ’s expense http://ur1.ca/m4c4 | Feb 11 23:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Latest iPad Disappointments; iPhone Grouped Together With IE6 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.84 KB | Feb 11 23:12 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: virus vs virus is not even new | Feb 11 23:13 |
| oiaohm | People forget the cheese worm on Linux. | Feb 11 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | cheese worm? | Feb 11 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: clever idea anyway malware removing malware | Feb 11 23:14 |
| oiaohm | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-257748.html | Feb 11 23:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Cheese worm: A Linux fixer-upper? - CNET News .::. Size~: 72.13 KB | Feb 11 23:14 |
| ThistleWeb | virus v virus, is that the windows port of spy v spy? | Feb 11 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep anti virus virus. It even removed it self from system after it was done. | Feb 11 23:14 |
| ThistleWeb | it is funny when you hear a froidian slip "does it come with a virus?" "no, but as soon as you get online, you won't have to wait long for one to find you" | Feb 11 23:15 |
| roved2101 | NSA keys on windows got to be their for some reason | Feb 11 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Allows NSA to load there own Modules without MS approval. | Feb 11 23:16 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What you up to? | Feb 11 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what happens when Apple run out of Pussy names? OSX 10.7 Kitten | Feb 11 23:25 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Windows xp clean install, format, drivers,updates, well over 2 hours, restart ad nauseam, this trip down memory lane was not pleasant. | Feb 11 23:27 | |
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| oiaohm | The major problem with Virus vs Virus is that the removal system can become incompadible with new versions of the viruses it is targing so making even more harm. | Feb 11 23:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nine Inch Nails "The Slip", OTOH, is much more like it. Good one.CC by-nc-sa too. download: http://theslip.nin.com/ | Feb 11 23:36 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: nine inch nails: the slip .::. Size~: 1.38 KB | Feb 11 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] in bed playing music while freda sleeps and @arkadyrose does serious dell laptop surgery. women with torxes, dude. | Feb 11 23:37 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: That article is before September 11th | Feb 11 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway those worms were for servers, and I guess no longer work in modern Linux distros | Feb 11 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know its old sebsebseb | Feb 11 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | in supported versions of distros above, I guess they no longer work | Feb 11 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Those flaws no longer exist. | Feb 11 23:44 |
| oiaohm | So cheese worm is just something I keep around for fun. | Feb 11 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | reading that article though made Linux sound like Windows :D | Feb 11 23:44 |
| oiaohm | 2001 there was a major worm outbreak. | Feb 11 23:45 |
| roved2101 | sebsebseb: are you looking forward to your internet drivers license? Next they force you to you the authorised Operating System face imprisonment. Isnt the system grand? | Feb 11 23:45 |
| oiaohm | Ok major by Linux standards. | Feb 11 23:45 |
| oiaohm | 10 of them at once sebsebseb | Feb 11 23:45 |
| cubezzz | doze has always sucked | Feb 11 23:45 |
| oiaohm | By windows standards that would have been nothing. sebsebseb | Feb 11 23:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Berkun's essay on why #Microsoft is so mediocre resonates with people in many other organisations. http://bit.ly/c7yQrg #failurebycommittee | Feb 11 23:46 | |
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| roved2101 | sebsebseb they love you so much | Feb 11 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | I read that article already by the Microsoft guy, I guess it's the same one | Feb 11 23:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@riahlahren agree; 1 of the most profound things i've (recently) learned about the world: things R usually the opposite of what they seem | Feb 11 23:47 | |
| cubezzz | "XP phone home" :) | Feb 11 23:48 |
| cubezzz | or whatever version | Feb 11 23:48 |
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| cubezzz | I'm sure I'll have lots of work converting doze boxes to Linux in the future | Feb 11 23:49 |
| _goblin | Im back. | Feb 11 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: without offical qualificaitons or? | Feb 11 23:49 |
| oiaohm | I have my plan. | Feb 11 23:50 |
| oiaohm | If I can have a Linux ADS. I can depoly windows open source software from there. | Feb 11 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | I want to work in IT really as well, but not with Windows, so i'll just do something else as a job, whilst hopefuly the times start to change enough, so that I can in the future | Feb 11 23:50 |
| oiaohm | So allowing application sync between Linux clients and Windows. | Feb 11 23:50 |
| oiaohm | From 1 server | Feb 11 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | first need a job, but it seems I might get one this year | Feb 11 23:50 |
| cubezzz | sebsebseb, people just ask me to do it after they get fed up with viruses and reinstalls | Feb 11 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: who? | Feb 11 23:51 |
| cubezzz | I've been using computers a lot time so I'm relatively well known | Feb 11 23:51 |
| cubezzz | customers | Feb 11 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | just you doing it or? | Feb 11 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | local thing | Feb 11 23:52 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 11 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | where you get customers from etc | Feb 11 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | I thought about doing that as well maybe if I can | Feb 11 23:52 |
| roved2101 | sebsebseb watch out for those new drones. | Feb 11 23:52 |
| cubezzz | word of mouth mostly | Feb 11 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | fix computers locally on the software side, get paid a bit ofr it | Feb 11 23:52 |
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| sebsebseb | roved2101: what? | Feb 11 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] what a genuine decent chap Jono Bacon is, he has certainly enlightened me in many aspects regarding Ubuntu/FOSS/Linux. Very nice man! | Feb 11 23:53 | |
| cubezzz | the latest doze activiation crap should make it easy for a Linux savvy person to make some bucks | Feb 11 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: the latest? well I know about XP | Feb 11 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you mean something else? | Feb 11 23:54 |
| roved2101 | sebsebseb: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/23/cctv-sky-police-plan-drones | Feb 11 23:54 |
| roved2101 | sebsebseb windows is the least of your worries | Feb 11 23:54 |
| _goblin | roved2101 | Feb 11 23:55 |
| cubezzz | the slashdot article... it talks about it | Feb 11 23:55 |
| _goblin | roved2101: lol | Feb 11 23:55 |
| _goblin | roved2101: drones? | Feb 11 23:55 |
| cubezzz | should still be on the front page | Feb 11 23:55 |
| _goblin | roved2101: where does the gaurdian think the money will come from to pay for this. | Feb 11 23:55 |
| roved2101 | I first read the article on zdnet | Feb 11 23:55 |
| _goblin | roved2101: they already have been reported in the press to have to loose staff for budget. | Feb 11 23:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | roved2101: yeah, what's up with that over-policing crap in the UK? it's getting out of control. | Feb 11 23:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | roved2101: BAE benefits. | Feb 11 23:56 |
| roved2101 | government spend spend spend now | Feb 11 23:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | roved2101: -> BAE. | Feb 11 23:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | roved2101: this over-policing does not solve any actual problem,afaics | Feb 11 23:56 |
| cubezzz | if no one spends we are all in trouble :) | Feb 11 23:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | roved2101: except moving cash into private pockets | Feb 11 23:56 |
| _goblin | roved2101: and in anycase its well documented in the press that force planes thermoimage houses looking for cannabis factories. | Feb 11 23:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubezzz: wrong spending is worse than no spending. | Feb 11 23:57 |
| roved2101 | thats right now your getting it | Feb 11 23:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubezzz: blowing a million iraqis to bits is WRONG SPENDING. | Feb 11 23:57 |
| cubezzz | qu1j0t3, oh sure | Feb 11 23:57 |
| cubezzz | I meant no spending at all though | Feb 11 23:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubezzz: over-policing is wrong spending. | Feb 11 23:57 |
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| _goblin | question to everyone....whats your fear of being monitored? What do you think will happen? | Feb 11 23:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | cubezzz: fixing real problems , inventing sustainable solutions to the dire issues we face, is valid spending. | Feb 11 23:57 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 11 23:58 |
| cubezzz | smart spending I guess | Feb 11 23:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: why do you ask? | Feb 11 23:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: those drones are heavily armed. | Feb 11 23:58 |
| _goblin | because I want to know what the problem people have with CCTV et al. | Feb 11 23:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: police cannot be trusted with tasers in any jurisdiction; why attach them to robots? | Feb 11 23:58 |
| _goblin | and I can assure you, they wont be deployed in the UK armed. | Feb 11 23:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: you're aware of the fallacy of "nothing to hide" ? | Feb 11 23:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: the headlines suggest otherwise | Feb 11 23:58 |
| _goblin | oh yes..... | Feb 11 23:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: cui bono: BAE, and other arms makers | Feb 11 23:58 |
| Ziomatrix | _goblin: Perverted agents will knock on my door asking to perform Bukakke on them or else | Feb 11 23:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | Ziomatrix: that's actually pretty sane compared to what is historically known to occur. | Feb 11 23:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | _goblin: i guess the 20th C is all forgotten now | Feb 11 23:59 |
| _goblin | in regards to the citizen....give me one example of where a person has been a victim of this fictional "big brother" state? | Feb 11 23:59 |
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