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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 12th, 2010

qu1j0t3_goblin: you're kidding, right?Feb 12 00:00
roved2101_goblin if I havent done anything wrong why should I be monitored??Feb 12 00:00
qu1j0t3_goblin: the very existence of this technology means abuse. look into how the surveillance has been constantly abused in the USFeb 12 00:00
_goblinroved2101: because how is an agency supposed to know that?  Crystal ball?Feb 12 00:00
qu1j0t3_goblin: every dayFeb 12 00:00
roved2101_goblin we arent all evil?? Feb 12 00:00
_goblinand how can the populas be monitored when in the UK there are not even enough officers to put 1 per street?Feb 12 00:01
roved2101camerasFeb 12 00:01
qu1j0t31 per street? why would you want that?Feb 12 00:01
_goblinand who monitors those, or is it just data on a harddisk?Feb 12 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mac blogger Ronald Carlson and #IDG write about the #FSF and the former (at the least) smears it http://ur1.ca/m4fqFeb 12 00:01
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_goblinqu1j0t3: The point I was making, if there is not enough officers to have 1 for every street in the UK, how on earth can everybody be monitored?Feb 12 00:02
roved2101_goblin we're gonna party likes it 1984Feb 12 00:03
_goblinreally? One example of 1984 then.Feb 12 00:03
_goblinI can give you hundreds supporting camera's.Feb 12 00:03
ThistleWebcameras preventing crime is a failed idea, what it does do is provide evidence of a crime...assuming its pointed in the right direction at the timeFeb 12 00:04
ThistleWebwhich can later be used in courtFeb 12 00:04
_goblinIts very fashionable to think there is some large evil organisation at work, monitoring people, plotting, but its not like that.  Sure there are bad people, both citizens and those in "high places" but nobody is above the law and fundamentally at the heart of any "observation" the individuals rights (and the rights/safety of others) are always considered.Feb 12 00:05
roved2101tracking people everywhere is what its all aboutFeb 12 00:05
_goblinyes but you can't just "track" someone....do you know what RIPR policy is?Feb 12 00:05
roved2101and dont dare challenge the systemFeb 12 00:05
roved2101you'll be a dissidentFeb 12 00:06
roved2101_goblin that wont matterFeb 12 00:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] And the M$ Windows 8 vaporware circus has begun: http://tinyurl.com/yajx8yz Promises, promises and more promises. But nothing of substance.Feb 12 00:06
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_goblinreally?  Plenty of people challenge the system including those that work for it....the "system" as you refer to are the laws/polititians that YOU voted in.Feb 12 00:06
qu1j0t3_goblin: that doesn't mean this kind of technology is a problem. It will be abused no matter how many cops staff it.Feb 12 00:06
qu1j0t3is not*Feb 12 00:06
_goblinhow?Feb 12 00:06
qu1j0t3crikey, you're kidding me?Feb 12 00:07
_goblinplease example.Feb 12 00:07
qu1j0t3don't be obtuseFeb 12 00:07
qu1j0t3_goblin: are you familiar with the way surveillance is abused in the US?Feb 12 00:07
qu1j0t3it's not about QUANTITY.Feb 12 00:07
_goblinIm not being obtuse, I want to hear how you would consider it would be abused....in regards to the US, I cant comment.Feb 12 00:07
_goblinI can only talk for the UK, just like you the USFeb 12 00:08
qu1j0t3well, if you don't know how surveillance technology is abused (even leaving out the weaponisation), then you have a stack of reading to do.Feb 12 00:08
qu1j0t3eh? the information on US abuses is on the net.Feb 12 00:08
_goblinlol....Im sure....Feb 12 00:08
qu1j0t3I am not American, just better informed than most of them.Feb 12 00:08
_goblinthats why you would know all about RIPR policy then.Feb 12 00:08
_goblinwhat is RIPR?Feb 12 00:08
_goblinsilence......Feb 12 00:08
_goblinI'll answer for you....Feb 12 00:09
sebsebseboh qu1j0t3 your FurnaceBoy with another nameFeb 12 00:09
roved2101_goblin we hate microsoft and those associated with from a software side and dont consider real life police states and dictatorships being formed all to protect of the bogey man AL-cia-daFeb 12 00:09
qu1j0t3so you're insisting that surveillance technology is not abused?Feb 12 00:09
Ziomatrixqu1j0t3: American foriegn policy and how they treat foriegners /=/ domestic policiesFeb 12 00:09
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: ehFeb 12 00:09
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: I'm familiar with bothFeb 12 00:09
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: your hostmask gives it awayFeb 12 00:09
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: unfortunately, we've been forced to stay current with american affairs due to unrestrainted interventionismFeb 12 00:10
qu1j0t3unrestrained*Feb 12 00:10
_goblinRIPR is the SOP that the UK services/institutions have to follow in respect of covert intrusive observation.Feb 12 00:10
Ziomatrixqu1j0t3: Most NSA easedropping done to anyone calling out of the country, even more is oddly enough done to military personell and familiesFeb 12 00:10
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: it's never been a secret, for god's sake.Feb 12 00:10
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: rubbishFeb 12 00:10
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: no  I wasn't part of the convoFeb 12 00:10
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: go look it upFeb 12 00:10
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: I  was saying about your IRC nickFeb 12 00:10
qu1j0t3_goblin: well, that's great, I don't have much faith in such things, but if it works, you should export the technologyFeb 12 00:10
ThistleWeb* [qu1j0t3] is logged in as FurnaceBoyFeb 12 00:10
_goblinqu1j0t3: Eh?Feb 12 00:10
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: yes, teh nick change is no secret, it changes when i reconnectFeb 12 00:10
_goblinqu1j0t3: Im talking SOP that UK law enforcement has to follow.Feb 12 00:11
qu1j0t3_goblin: "regulation" is ineffective elsewhereFeb 12 00:11
qu1j0t3_goblin: I hope it works for UKFeb 12 00:11
Ziomatrixqu1j0t3: Now I don't condone it but as is crime prevention through survailence is pretty much sequestered to indoors and occassional traffic lightsFeb 12 00:11
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: nonsenseFeb 12 00:11
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: your also Canadian and you say your more informed about stuff than Americans :DFeb 12 00:11
ThistleWebwhy do people hide behind nicks?Feb 12 00:11
_goblinqu1j0t3: it does, which is why I asked you to name ONE abuse case of it.Feb 12 00:11
*ThistleWeb shakes headFeb 12 00:11
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: yeah, I am better informed about American affairs than most AmericansFeb 12 00:11
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: that's surprisingly easyFeb 12 00:11
_goblinqu1j0t3: im sure......Feb 12 00:11
Ziomatrixqu1j0t3: Most net survailence is done by active undercover agents or packet sniffersFeb 12 00:12
_goblinqu1j0t3: so then you will know all about the legislation covering foriegn nationals and them being summons to US courts?Feb 12 00:12
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: there are hundreds, if not thousands, of cases recorded of abuse of thisFeb 12 00:12
qu1j0t3_goblin: of courseFeb 12 00:12
qu1j0t3_goblin: US interventionism has forced many foreigners to examine all these things, if not experience them directlyFeb 12 00:12
qu1j0t3_goblin: it's just prudenceFeb 12 00:13
_goblinqu1j0t3: ok....UK national accused living in France to be brought to US to face trial...act and section.....Feb 12 00:13
qu1j0t3_goblin: none of us are beyond their reach -- cf CIA renditions from many EUropean countries (and complicity of same)Feb 12 00:13
qu1j0t3_goblin: rightFeb 12 00:13
Ziomatrixqu1j0t3: Thats because governments and intrlligence agencies work in tandemFeb 12 00:14
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: naturallyFeb 12 00:14
_goblinThis isn't going to turn into an Area 51 debate is it?  I was just chatting to someone about people with the very same ethos.....Feb 12 00:14
qu1j0t3ethos?Feb 12 00:14
*gargoyle-grin has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Feb 12 00:14
_goblinyes ethos.....Feb 12 00:14
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: I am not sure why your high lighting me loadsFeb 12 00:14
qu1j0t3_goblin: all of this is factFeb 12 00:14
_goblinah its a conspiracy..............Feb 12 00:14
_goblinah there be aliens in them hillsFeb 12 00:14
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: ah sorryFeb 12 00:15
qu1j0t3_goblin: it's wonderful that the UK prevents surveillance abuse. really.Feb 12 00:15
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: plus when your high lighting me, it seems your not actsaully talking to me reallyFeb 12 00:15
roved2101_goblin there be orcs and goblins around tooFeb 12 00:15
qu1j0t3_goblin: you should explain to other nations howFeb 12 00:15
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: some of those remarks are meant for Ziomatrix, damn that yellow colourFeb 12 00:16
_goblinIn the UK and I expect the US....Government actions are blown massively out of proportion...sure there are bad people in positions of responsibility but as we saw with MP's and expenses, they are not above the law.Feb 12 00:16
qu1j0t3_goblin: the abuse is a matter of recordFeb 12 00:16
_goblinso give me one example so we can debate it.Feb 12 00:16
qu1j0t3_goblin: not just under the recent regimes. in *all* authoritarian regimesFeb 12 00:16
_goblinso give me one example so we can debate it.Feb 12 00:16
qu1j0t3_goblin: it's plain history. if it exists, it will be abusedFeb 12 00:16
_goblinso give me one example so we can debate it.Feb 12 00:16
qu1j0t3go to your public library, if you don't trust the netFeb 12 00:17
_goblinso give me one example so we can debate it.Feb 12 00:17
_goblincome on....Feb 12 00:17
_goblinI thought you wanted to make a point....Feb 12 00:17
_goblinits like me saying...there's aliens running Canonical...then refusing to back it up with my supporting opinion.Feb 12 00:17
qu1j0t3eh?Feb 12 00:17
qu1j0t3this is not opinion.Feb 12 00:17
roved2101http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai0hXYVc9XAFeb 12 00:18
qu1j0t3if you're so ignorant you're not aware of surveillance abuses, then I give upFeb 12 00:18
_goblinyes...as you claim "its fact"Feb 12 00:18
qu1j0t3it is fact. it has always been fact.Feb 12 00:18
_goblinlolFeb 12 00:18
_goblinso you have no example.  In the time its taken you to reply you could have given me an example.....Feb 12 00:18
qu1j0t3if it doesn't happen in the UK, then lovelyFeb 12 00:18
_goblinyou don't even know your own countries extradiction legislation.Feb 12 00:18
qu1j0t3you just should export that secretFeb 12 00:18
_goblinand you don't even know about RIPR...Feb 12 00:19
_goblinor indeed SOP for any observation.Feb 12 00:19
_goblin...how about Sec(1) of Human Rights Act?  Lets start with the basics.Feb 12 00:19
qu1j0t3did you just step out of a time capsule?Feb 12 00:19
roved2101_goblin the globalist dont care about rights. They are removing them dailyFeb 12 00:20
ZiomatrixWhen did this channel become a general politics channel?Feb 12 00:20
_goblinno.. I just have a vast experience in the topics you are trying to debate....badly.Feb 12 00:20
_goblinits not politics....this is about paranoiaFeb 12 00:20
qu1j0t3Ziomatrix: Microsoft is politicsFeb 12 00:20
qu1j0t3_goblin: tell Omar Khadr about paranoia, or Maher ArarFeb 12 00:20
_goblinGood example......Feb 12 00:21
qu1j0t3or Binyam MohamedFeb 12 00:21
Ziomatrixroved2101: They don't remove rights, it's just they place their interests not only above but in the way of human development in many casesFeb 12 00:21
_goblinIm surprised.....Feb 12 00:21
_goblinIn those cases......Feb 12 00:21
qu1j0t3and yeah, any sane person would be fucking paranoid crossing that border.Feb 12 00:21
qu1j0t3or carrying a laptop across it.Feb 12 00:22
ThistleWebonly if your tinfoil hat slipsFeb 12 00:22
roved2101Ziomatrix put their global interest and police state interest above our innate civil common law rightsFeb 12 00:22
qu1j0t3abuses of that particular practice (laptop seizure) are also on tecord.Feb 12 00:22
qu1j0t3record*Feb 12 00:22
_goblinthere were alleged to be disgusting abuses....Feb 12 00:22
_goblinhowever.....Feb 12 00:22
qu1j0t3_goblin: are you saying that Mohamed, Arar, and Khadr made everything up?Feb 12 00:22
ThistleWeballegations are just that, allegations until proven otherwiseFeb 12 00:23
qu1j0t3to name three of hundredsFeb 12 00:23
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: ah....Feb 12 00:23
_goblinno....please wait until I finish typing.Feb 12 00:23
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: you're clearly not familiar with the casesFeb 12 00:23
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: courts found in favour of Arar and KhadrFeb 12 00:23
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: the Canadian supreme court, for oneFeb 12 00:23
ThistleWebis someone a rapist if someone accuses them?Feb 12 00:23
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: familiarise yourself with the cases before jumping in.Feb 12 00:23
ThistleWebor if a court find them guilty of the accused crime?Feb 12 00:24
_goblinwhat I am saying is that in those cases it was individuals actions and its those individuals who should be brought to trial....its why Nazi Generals were tried.....Feb 12 00:24
qu1j0t3_goblin: Khadr and Arar were never chargedFeb 12 00:24
ThistleWebby law, they are "accused" until proven guiltyFeb 12 00:24
_goblinand what those cases have to do with covert observation...?Feb 12 00:24
Ziomatrixroved2101: Theyre capital driven entities that are too large to effectively work within domestic markets so they try to make up their own rules, their execs are so use to government kickbacks that they don't know how to effectively compete anymore, so they lobbyFeb 12 00:24
qu1j0t3_goblin: you referred to paranoiaFeb 12 00:24
qu1j0t3_goblin: given the facts in these cases, paranoia is quite rational when it comes to the authoritarian governments involved.Feb 12 00:25
ThistleWebmany govts are authoritarianFeb 12 00:25
Ziomatrixroved2101: Have you seen the Toyota debacle, it was a result of a once dynamic business turning into a beaurocratic incumbentFeb 12 00:25
qu1j0t3_goblin: I guess you deny the extraordinary rendition program as well?Feb 12 00:25
ThistleWebeven if they pretend otherwiseFeb 12 00:25
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: quite soFeb 12 00:25
_goblinqu1j03: let me finish the previous point please.Feb 12 00:26
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: we have an authoritarian figurehead over here nowFeb 12 00:26
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: they tend to poll wellFeb 12 00:26
ThistleWebin every govt there's lots of departments too, some of which will have a culture which does not fit with the imageFeb 12 00:26
ThistleWebplenty companies have the sameFeb 12 00:26
ThistleWebgovts, just like companies are made up of groups of peepsFeb 12 00:27
roved2101Ziomatrix yes and its time these multinationals are held to account. Feb 12 00:27
ThistleWebif there's a culture of "if you behave like this you'll get promoted, if you speak out you'll get sacked"Feb 12 00:27
ThistleWebthat's very different from an official policyFeb 12 00:28
_goblinqu1j0t3: You voted the government in....Feb 12 00:29
qu1j0t3_goblin: I did?Feb 12 00:29
_goblinyepFeb 12 00:29
_goblinor did you not vote?Feb 12 00:29
qu1j0t3_goblin: there are several problems with that assertionFeb 12 00:29
Ziomatrixroved2101: All it takes is a reprisentational government that follows it's peoples wishes with a policy for domestic growth, or just subtract one. The PRC seems to do fine controlling corporations and ensuring they're not over-extended, the US and UK too to an extend. It's poorer places with a lack of a cohesive or really small but corrupt gov that have the real problemsFeb 12 00:29
_goblinand you...is the collective.....Feb 12 00:29
_goblinmajority vote wins.Feb 12 00:29
qu1j0t3no shit.Feb 12 00:29
qu1j0t3this is really educational.Feb 12 00:29
qu1j0t3let's agree to disagreeFeb 12 00:29
*roved2101 dreams of people no longer being sheepFeb 12 00:30
ThistleWebbaaFeb 12 00:30
ThistleWebsorry, my DNA kicked inFeb 12 00:30
qu1j0t3you can walk off, _goblin, with your assessment of me as a paranoid idiot.Feb 12 00:30
_goblinwell it is, because I had to explain points of law to you in respect of the subject you were trying to argue.Feb 12 00:30
roved2101lolFeb 12 00:30
qu1j0t3_goblin: mine of you is quite neutral. let's leave it like this.Feb 12 00:30
qu1j0t3_goblin: I am pleased that your regulation is strnog enough in the UK to prevent abuses.Feb 12 00:30
_goblinqu1j0t3: I never called you paranoid.Feb 12 00:30
qu1j0t3_goblin: that is genuine good news.Feb 12 00:30
*Ziomatrix has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi)Feb 12 00:30
_goblinif I was to say anything, I'd say you were jumping on the bandwagon of a fashionable stance.Feb 12 00:31
qu1j0t3_goblin: you made some snide remarks above about aliens in the hills, who were they meant for?Feb 12 00:31
qu1j0t3_goblin: yes, you would say that.Feb 12 00:31
qu1j0t3_goblin: I've heard enough of that. let's leave it here.Feb 12 00:31
_goblinI said "I hope this is going to become..."Feb 12 00:31
_goblinremember you were not justifying anything you were saying....Feb 12 00:31
_goblinyou were just making claims.Feb 12 00:31
qu1j0t3_goblin: fine, i'm an uninformed, clueless idiot; you made your point.Feb 12 00:32
qu1j0t3now quit, this is done.Feb 12 00:32
qu1j0t3you may address somebody else, like roved2101 who introduced the topic of dronesFeb 12 00:32
_goblinOk...fine its done, but I never called you a clueless idiot and you have the right to make your opinion.  I just wish you'd debate it properly.Feb 12 00:32
ThistleWebthanks for giving me an insight into the credibility of FurnaceBoy when I read the BN feedsFeb 12 00:32
roved2101Thistleweb sheep are great you lead them up a garden path, as long as there is grass they fellow you anway even right of the cliffFeb 12 00:33
sebsebsebThistleWeb: BN feeds?Feb 12 00:33
ThistleWebrss feed with articlesFeb 12 00:33
_goblinroved2101: I think you will find Sheep are quite capable of judging height/distance....thats why Sheep can live in higher altitudes without falling off cliffs too much.....Feb 12 00:34
roved2101qu1j0t3 Im good at creating s**** stormsFeb 12 00:34
sebsebsebroved2101: RSS for schestowitz  blog enteries you mean or?Feb 12 00:34
ThistleWebroy quotes several sources, from IRC, twitter, identica and emailFeb 12 00:34
ThistleWebI've seen FurnaceBoy been mentioned a few times, along with others in hereFeb 12 00:34
roved2101_goblin but they love their shepherdFeb 12 00:34
_goblindo they.?  why does he need a sheepdog then?Feb 12 00:35
ThistleWebtonights convo added a new level of insight into credibilityFeb 12 00:35
roved2101_goblin and in some cases their shepherd even dropped nukes on them to see what would happen. The sheep just went about their daily lives.Feb 12 00:35
_goblinthats not a style of farming Ive ever seen...but you live and learn.Feb 12 00:36
roved2101got to love governmentFeb 12 00:36
ThistleWebbetween the tinfoil hat and the l33t nickFeb 12 00:36
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: what's your point? Feb 12 00:36
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: which comment annoyed you? claiming to be more au courant than most yanks? That's pretty easy.Feb 12 00:37
ThistleWeblol, you want me to pick out just one?Feb 12 00:37
ThistleWebI'm not gonna waste my timeFeb 12 00:37
qu1j0t3not really. ok, you don't like me. now leave it.Feb 12 00:37
qu1j0t3put me in /ignoreFeb 12 00:37
_goblinI think much of the time people have these views to be fashionable......its a shame, because when there are real abuses in authority, its conversations like the ones here that are brought up to distract away from the truth....Feb 12 00:37
ThistleWebout of curiosity, why the different nick?Feb 12 00:37
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: i told you. scroll back.Feb 12 00:37
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: i don't hide my identity. Feb 12 00:38
ThistleWeband why not tell peeps?Feb 12 00:38
_goblinbig brother,Feb 12 00:38
qu1j0t3accident. i have no interest in concealing my identity.Feb 12 00:38
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: you can read all about me, i hide nothingFeb 12 00:38
ThistleWebahh, the point where sebsebseb whois'd you and told the channel, gotchaFeb 12 00:38
_goblinI have a drone in the US waiting to beam him out of his house.Feb 12 00:38
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: I'd prefer we remain friends. what did I say to offend you so badly?Feb 12 00:38
sebsebsebThistleWeb: no I didn't whois, just had the cursour over the name list, and there it wasFeb 12 00:38
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: I hope you accept that I don't use this nick to hide anything.Feb 12 00:38
qu1j0t3it's just a plan B when nick clash on reconnectFeb 12 00:39
ThistleWebahh, it takes hours to notice the nick is on a different one and changeFeb 12 00:39
ThistleWebno worriesFeb 12 00:39
qu1j0t3in fact, this is my twitter feed that Roy syndicates, so it;s even more obviousFeb 12 00:39
ThistleWebso similarFeb 12 00:39
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: sorry, not intended to mislead.Feb 12 00:39
_goblinare you furnaceboy?Feb 12 00:39
qu1j0t3_goblin: YESFeb 12 00:39
_goblinwhat happened to you?Feb 12 00:40
qu1j0t3_goblin: my connection dropped overnight, reconnected as thisFeb 12 00:40
ThistleWeblol @ "no intention to mislead"Feb 12 00:40
ThistleWebyeah, whateverFeb 12 00:40
qu1j0t3_goblin: I use both, sigh, looks like ppl freak out and suspect i'm playing funny business.Feb 12 00:40
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: you don't accept that?Feb 12 00:40
ThistleWebno I don'tFeb 12 00:40
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: here am I trying to stay friends with youFeb 12 00:40
_goblinqulj0t3: no I don't mean that......Feb 12 00:40
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: jesus christ, well you need to.Feb 12 00:40
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: the ONLY reason the nick changed was a reconnectFeb 12 00:40
amarsh04schestowitz did you see these: (ACTA) http://www.itnews.com.au/News/166965,greens-push-for-transparency-on-secret-anti-piracy-talks.aspxFeb 12 00:40
ThistleWeband you don't notice?Feb 12 00:41
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: I don't hide anything. go check my whoisFeb 12 00:41
_goblinqulj0t3: I mean you seemed sensible when ive spoken with you before......Feb 12 00:41
ThistleWeband you don't think "hey peeps know me as my original nick, I better change to it"?Feb 12 00:41
amarsh04and "commecial software cheaper than free software" http://www.itnews.com.au/News/166884,open-source-not-free-senate-hears.aspxFeb 12 00:41
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: if you're going to insist that I conceal my identity by using this nick, then well, I give up.Feb 12 00:41
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: it's identical to the feed that Roy syndicates.Feb 12 00:41
_goblinqulj0t3: Im sure I had a decent converstation with furnaceboy.....whats happened?Feb 12 00:41
qu1j0t3_goblin: eh?Feb 12 00:41
ThistleWebI note you still haven't changed to the nick roy uses when he quotes you in his articlesFeb 12 00:41
_goblindidn't I speak with you recently?Feb 12 00:42
_goblin(furnaceboy)Feb 12 00:42
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: ROy quotes bothFeb 12 00:42
ThistleWebeither way, no biggie.....I have no time for the tinfoil hat brigadeFeb 12 00:42
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: why are we even discussing this.Feb 12 00:42
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: eh?Feb 12 00:42
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: please point to a remark that bothered youFeb 12 00:43
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: do you know the cases I was referring to, Arar and Khadr?Feb 12 00:43
_goblincome on qu1j0t3, why not just let it go and talk about something else...?Feb 12 00:43
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: or Binyam Mohamed, for that matterFeb 12 00:43
qu1j0t3_goblin: "tinfoil hat brigade" ?Feb 12 00:43
_goblineh?Feb 12 00:43
cubezzztinfoil hats are good :)Feb 12 00:43
qu1j0t3_goblin: the Canadian Supreme Court is part of the tinfoil hat brigade now?Feb 12 00:44
_goblineh?Feb 12 00:44
qu1j0t3_goblin: ^^Feb 12 00:44
_goblinare you reading something I am not typing?Feb 12 00:44
qu1j0t3_goblin: n.Feb 12 00:44
ThistleWebit was me who mentioned tinfoil hat brigadeFeb 12 00:44
ThistleWebnot _goblin Feb 12 00:44
qu1j0t3_goblin: referring to why I am asking ThistleWeb to cite an offensive remarkFeb 12 00:44
_goblinIm glad....for a moment I thought Id lost it.Feb 12 00:44
ThistleWebnah, the tinfoil got some interferenecFeb 12 00:45
_goblinahFeb 12 00:45
_goblindamn Ballmer that is.Feb 12 00:45
_goblinIve got mine back on....Feb 12 00:45
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: what was a remark that bothered you so much that you throw around phrases like this?Feb 12 00:45
_goblinhe can't see me now.Feb 12 00:45
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: presumably it wasn't the discussion of those casesFeb 12 00:45
ThistleWebthe whole convo is like "every govt employee is evil"Feb 12 00:45
ThistleWebwhich is bullshitFeb 12 00:45
qu1j0t3I didn't say that at ALLFeb 12 00:45
qu1j0t3or even anything resembling it.Feb 12 00:46
qu1j0t3I don't even believe that.Feb 12 00:46
_goblinsorry, I think ive slipped out of time.....I was engaging you in a discussion about covert observation.....Feb 12 00:46
ThistleWebgovts are like corp, a group of peepsFeb 12 00:46
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: yes, I agreeFeb 12 00:46
ThistleWebsome of whom will be scumbagsFeb 12 00:46
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: yes.Feb 12 00:46
_goblinhooray!Feb 12 00:46
ThistleWebdoing stuff they shouldntFeb 12 00:46
ThistleWebdoing stuff against policyFeb 12 00:46
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: can we just say friends then? you seem to have mistaken something I wrote.Feb 12 00:46
ThistleWebin some cases the culture means nobody will pick them up on itFeb 12 00:47
ThistleWebbut it's still not policyFeb 12 00:47
cubezzzah, are you guys talking about a specific government, or just governments in general?Feb 12 00:47
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: I'm not "anti-government", if that 's where you think I was headingFeb 12 00:48
_goblinIve no clue anymore....Feb 12 00:48
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: I knowplenty of americans who are, thoughFeb 12 00:48
roved2101governments in generalFeb 12 00:48
ThistleWebfor me it was govts in generalFeb 12 00:48
roved2101particularly the US and UK Feb 12 00:48
ThistleWebgotta reboot, brb hopefullyFeb 12 00:48
MinceRhttp://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fry-an-egg-on-laptop.jpgFeb 12 00:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 12 00:48
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_goblinlets talk about something else.......Feb 12 00:48
qu1j0t3+1Feb 12 00:49
_goblinHow about......Feb 12 00:49
qu1j0t3pizzaFeb 12 00:49
sebsebsebMinceR: two of the old light bulbs,  in a cooker type thing, will cook a chickenFeb 12 00:49
_goblinLuton Town FCFeb 12 00:49
sebsebsebMinceR: I watched something on TV that showed thatFeb 12 00:49
_goblinLuton Town?Feb 12 00:49
MinceR_goblin: and now, for something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT...Feb 12 00:49
MinceRIt's...Feb 12 00:49
sebsebsebas well as an experiment where they used loads of cycleists to power a house for a dayFeb 12 00:49
qu1j0t3the SPanish Inquisition!Feb 12 00:49
MinceRi didn't expect thatFeb 12 00:50
*qu1j0t3 chucklesFeb 12 00:50
roved2101qu1j0t3 yeahFeb 12 00:50
_goblinI had a very decent phone conversation with Jono today...Feb 12 00:50
sebsebseb_goblin: football  not much of a fan hereFeb 12 00:50
sebsebseb_goblin: uh yesterday as of like 45 minutes ago>Feb 12 00:50
sebsebseb?Feb 12 00:50
_goblinoh yeah...Feb 12 00:50
sebsebseb_goblin: it's still the same day for him thoughFeb 12 00:50
_goblinIts surprising how things in text form can get distorted over time....Feb 12 00:51
roved2101_goblin you did?Feb 12 00:51
_goblinyeah....discussed many topics....Feb 12 00:51
sebsebseb_goblin: what you mean distorted? misunderstood?Feb 12 00:51
_goblinyeah in a nutshellFeb 12 00:51
roved2101ohhFeb 12 00:51
roved2101and ??Feb 12 00:51
_goblinI left the conversation feeling very different about Canonicals direction.Feb 12 00:51
_goblinI think on both sides on the argument things have gone too far...that the pro and the anti (Mono) for example...Feb 12 00:52
roved2101so whens ubuntu going to just work like say mandy without many major headaches do to stupid in house practices that have nothing to with upstreamFeb 12 00:52
_goblinits just worked for everyone I recommended it to.Feb 12 00:53
roved2101lolFeb 12 00:53
_goblinand myself on two rigs.Feb 12 00:53
_goblin8.04 and 9.10Feb 12 00:53
roved2101sebsebseb: where should we startFeb 12 00:53
sebsebsebroved2101: I have already put negative Ubuntu stuff here before a bit of it,  like other people hereFeb 12 00:54
_goblinI think I was far too hasty with my judgement of Canonical's direction.Feb 12 00:54
sebsebseb_goblin: I think jono  probably found it hard to deal with you when you got in to a convo about it with him,  I mean as far as I know he has to say the right stuff, as in a professional type wayFeb 12 00:55
roved2101reallyFeb 12 00:55
_goblinsebsebseb: the conversation was not like that.Feb 12 00:55
roved2101Canonical is a business so they will look after the businessFeb 12 00:55
sebsebseb_goblin: I mean the two that happended in here recentlyFeb 12 00:56
sebsebsebmeantFeb 12 00:56
roved2101but bad packaging and patching is just offFeb 12 00:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Boy, I hate #irc. Or is it just that people suck?Feb 12 00:56
cubezzz?Feb 12 00:56
_goblinIve never had issues with Ubuntu....oh I had a little popping sound issue with 9.10 but it was easy fixed.Feb 12 00:57
roved2101I couldnt use 9.04 and 9.10 due to samba issues and not seeing sharesFeb 12 00:57
sebsebsebI had no working sound in Virtualbox OSEFeb 12 00:57
sebsebsebfor VM'sFeb 12 00:57
sebsebsebin 9.10 and Mandriva, butFeb 12 00:57
sebsebseball I had to do to get it working in Mandriva, was go into the control centre and disable pulse audio, which is easyFeb 12 00:57
_goblinNow Mandriva....Ive yet to use a release without problems....Feb 12 00:57
sebsebsebnow  I can listen to music on the host and have sound in the vm's :)Feb 12 00:57
sebsebsebgood luck trying to disable pulseaudio  or removing it without issues with UbuntuFeb 12 00:57
_goblinthe last time I swore Id ever use it.Feb 12 00:58
_goblin*neverFeb 12 00:58
roved2101_goblin nothings perfect but main things like cups was played with main release and then poppler had to be rolled back because it brokeFeb 12 00:58
sebsebsebroved2101: poppler?Feb 12 00:59
roved2101my wife likes to prints and be able to access her shares. Feb 12 00:59
roved2101these are main thingsFeb 12 00:59
roved2101there is more Feb 12 00:59
_goblinits funny, some people swear Mandriva is the greatest and Ive had nothing but issues....9.10 on this rig has been pretty much flawless.Feb 12 01:00
roved2101and she should havent have sshfsFeb 12 01:00
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: http://poppler.freedesktop.org/Feb 12 01:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Poppler .::. Size~: 4.64 KBFeb 12 01:00
_goblinexcept for Brasero....but that, I believe is Brasero's problem not Ubuntu.Feb 12 01:00
roved2101yer that was in 9.04 yer for meFeb 12 01:01
_goblinmounting prob?Feb 12 01:01
_goblinand unmounting?Feb 12 01:01
roved2101auto detect speed wouldnt work for meFeb 12 01:01
_goblinah.....Feb 12 01:01
_goblinI solved it by switching to K3bFeb 12 01:01
roved2101lolFeb 12 01:02
_goblinI would have liked to see NBR ship with Chromium......I think its stable enough now.Feb 12 01:03
roved2101I can handle so obscure thing broken but not main thingsFeb 12 01:03
sebsebseb_goblin: I read that it will come with Chromium not FirefoxFeb 12 01:03
roved2101plus their is the ext4 but that seems to be affecting everyoneFeb 12 01:03
_goblinreally?Feb 12 01:03
sebsebsebjono: Will it come with Chromium ?Feb 12 01:03
_goblinIll look on the site.....Feb 12 01:04
_goblinThe features Ive seen on various blogs/site use the word "could" not is....that might have changed now...Feb 12 01:05
_goblincan't find any references to Chromium......hope you're right though sebsebsebFeb 12 01:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "idea of Innovation & Innovation Systems is a distraction. Success in the market is better scorecard" Clear why Berkus didn't fit #MicrosoftFeb 12 01:08
sebsebseb_goblin: apparnatly chromeium since more lite waightFeb 12 01:08
sebsebsebI think it's best to support FirefoxFeb 12 01:09
sebsebsebat the momentFeb 12 01:09
sebsebsebGoogle stuff is over hypedFeb 12 01:09
sebsebsebjust like Ubuntu is reallyFeb 12 01:09
sebsebsebwell  Ubuntu is under hyped really, since it hasn't gained a proper market share yet 10% or moreFeb 12 01:10
_goblinId personally say Chromium......fantastic browser.Feb 12 01:10
sebsebsebthat's the open source one :)Feb 12 01:10
_goblinyeahFeb 12 01:10
sebsebsebChrome reports info back to Google apparnatlyFeb 12 01:10
sebsebsebor wahteverFeb 12 01:10
_goblinhaving said that....stand by.....Feb 12 01:10
_goblinOn my system here I have:Feb 12 01:10
_goblinChromium 5.0.323.0 Feb 12 01:11
_goblinChrome 4.0.249.43Feb 12 01:11
_goblinand Firefox 3.5.7Feb 12 01:11
sebsebseb_goblin: I thought Chrome 4.0Feb 12 01:11
sebsebsebwas Windows onlyFeb 12 01:11
_goblinIve found no noticeable difference between Chrome/ChromiumFeb 12 01:12
sebsebsebwell maybe they came out with a Linux version recentlyFeb 12 01:12
_goblinyeah its now native Linux!Feb 12 01:12
sebsebsebGoogle are using open source, and then making their own productFeb 12 01:12
sebsebsebChrome OS will use portageFeb 12 01:12
qu1j0t3good moveFeb 12 01:12
sebsebsebI gave this link out earlierFeb 12 01:13
_goblinlike I say though, in terms of a desktop browser its great.....infact I "found" chrome as a result of having to use an XP netbook and needing a light quick browser that wasn't IE.Feb 12 01:13
qu1j0t3i've reluctantly had to abandon Firefox on three platformsFeb 12 01:13
sebsebsebwell...Feb 12 01:13
_goblinyeah, I still have it as a backup (and the odd blast of Quake Live)Feb 12 01:13
sebsebsebno it's the one schestowitz gave outFeb 12 01:13
sebsebsebwell  his url thing for itFeb 12 01:14
qu1j0t3a lot of ppl say the only thing keeping them with Firefox is FirebugFeb 12 01:14
sebsebsebit's one of the ones schestowitz gave out, except for that short url stuff Feb 12 01:14
qu1j0t3or other plugins Feb 12 01:14
roved2101the only thing keeping me with firefox is googleFeb 12 01:14
qu1j0t3heheFeb 12 01:14
qu1j0t3roved2101: yeah, i probably won't go ChromeFeb 12 01:14
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/02/google-goes-with-gentoo-portag.htmlFeb 12 01:14
roved2101google is evilFeb 12 01:14
roved2101got it!!! goodFeb 12 01:15
roved2101lolFeb 12 01:15
sebsebsebroved2101 is Evil!Feb 12 01:15
_goblinI think everythings evil......its to what degree...Feb 12 01:15
roved2101goblins are evilFeb 12 01:15
_goblinno they are not....Feb 12 01:15
_goblinHarry Potter?Feb 12 01:16
roved2101lolFeb 12 01:16
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: coolFeb 12 01:16
roved2101Lord the ringsFeb 12 01:16
_goblinThey were orcFeb 12 01:16
roved2101and goblinsFeb 12 01:16
_goblinbig differenceFeb 12 01:16
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: the arch one is meant to be the best thoughFeb 12 01:16
sebsebsebis apparnatly the bestFeb 12 01:16
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: there are similaritiesFeb 12 01:16
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: tho i haven't used arch. just understand that the rolling upgrade thing is possible with Arch tooFeb 12 01:17
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: I vm'd arch a guy helped me set up the very basicsFeb 12 01:17
sebsebseb,but thenFeb 12 01:17
qu1j0t3i don't look for "best"Feb 12 01:17
sebsebsebwhen I try to load it up properly the vm closes downFeb 12 01:17
sebsebsebsomething to do with the kernel or whateverFeb 12 01:17
qu1j0t3there is rarely a "best" in any category :)Feb 12 01:17
qu1j0t3there is a "works great for me" thoughFeb 12 01:17
_goblinroved2101: I thought I was right....in Lord of the rings there were no goblins.....you'll have to wait for the Hobbit film to see them....Feb 12 01:17
roved2101in the books Feb 12 01:17
qu1j0t3are there goblins in The Hobbit? it's about 30 years since I read it, so I don't recall..Feb 12 01:18
_goblinI believe in the caves where Bilbo found the ring....Feb 12 01:18
qu1j0t3hm.Feb 12 01:18
_goblinin the book that is.Feb 12 01:18
_goblinBilbo used the ring to escape....Feb 12 01:18
_goblinif memory serves.Feb 12 01:18
roved2101evil thingsFeb 12 01:18
roved2101lolFeb 12 01:18
qu1j0t3roved2101: delicious pan-fried with garlic and spring onionsFeb 12 01:18
roved2101mmmmmFeb 12 01:19
roved2101tastyFeb 12 01:19
qu1j0t3roved2101: suggested accompaniment, a nice ChiantiFeb 12 01:19
roved2101_goblin http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/GoblinFeb 12 01:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Goblin - Lord of the Rings - Tolkien Wiki .::. Size~: 48.72 KBFeb 12 01:19
_goblinyeah....thats before the film though......Feb 12 01:20
_goblinthere were goblins in the book of silmarillionFeb 12 01:20
_goblinand the rise of Sauron (I believe)Feb 12 01:20
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roved2101harry potter is evil _goblinFeb 12 01:21
_goblinMisty mountains is where Golum and the ring were....but you don't get to see the goblins until the Hobbit book....Feb 12 01:21
_goblinroved2101: I'll agree there...Feb 12 01:21
qu1j0t3ThistleWeb: so come on, truce?Feb 12 01:21
*qu1j0t3 is now known as FurnaceBoyFeb 12 01:21
ThistleWeblost interestFeb 12 01:22
FurnaceBoyThistleWeb: in a truce?Feb 12 01:22
FurnaceBoyor in a fight?Feb 12 01:22
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 12 01:22
ThistleWebbut now fed, so theres one good thingFeb 12 01:22
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: Thanks for Poppler link by the wayFeb 12 01:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: yeah i had to borrow some code from it a few months agoFeb 12 01:23
sebsebsebfor what?Feb 12 01:23
FurnaceBoyAdobe's default latin encoding stuffFeb 12 01:23
sebsebsebHarry Potter is not evilFeb 12 01:23
sebsebseball that Harry Potter stuff has made a lot of money thoughFeb 12 01:24
FurnaceBoythat's an understatement :)Feb 12 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Most places you look, quality is inversely dependent on market share. HmmmmmFeb 12 01:24
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: that's like saying, it's not true what I put, or only half true?Feb 12 01:25
FurnaceBoyneitherFeb 12 01:26
FurnaceBoyhm, _goblin you're a smart guy, help me define "understatement"Feb 12 01:26
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: hm, it means, you could have put it a lot more strongly ... like falling short in emphasisFeb 12 01:27
sebsebsebfalilng short in emphasis?  more strongly yeah maybe this :D  HARRY POTTER IS NOT EVIL!Feb 12 01:27
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: like, it's made *gargantuan* amounts of money. :)Feb 12 01:27
sebsebsebor bold except can't do that on IRCFeb 12 01:27
sebsebsebthat Emma Watson won't have to work againFeb 12 01:28
sebsebsebwhen she has done last Harry Potter film I guess hrmFeb 12 01:28
sebsebseband she was rather rich before she was 18Feb 12 01:28
FurnaceBoyit's easier to write books when you don't have a day job.Feb 12 01:29
sebsebsebit's easy to spend time on IRCFeb 12 01:29
sebsebseband a lot of itFeb 12 01:29
cubezzzBOLDFeb 12 01:29
sebsebsebwhen don't have a day jobFeb 12 01:29
cubezzz;-)Feb 12 01:29
sebsebsebcubezzz: oh how you do thatFeb 12 01:29
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: oh, I was meaning Rowling.Feb 12 01:29
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: yeah but nice jackpot for Watson -- but money can be very bad for the character :)Feb 12 01:29
cubezzzctrl-b before you typeFeb 12 01:29
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: What do you mean very bad for the character?Feb 12 01:30
sebsebsebno don't think that will work on my clientFeb 12 01:30
cubezzzwhich client?Feb 12 01:30
sebsebsebKonversationFeb 12 01:30
sebsebsebthat no I don't think message was me trying it by the wayFeb 12 01:31
sebsebsebor maybe I pressed wrong button, anywa it does not workFeb 12 01:31
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: well let's see, that kind of , uh, freedom does not always lead people into good places. examples abound; one could look at the sons of famous dictators, as oft-cited examplesFeb 12 01:31
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: not that i'm really saying Emma Watson will end up thereFeb 12 01:32
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: just that a windfall is not always a blessing :)Feb 12 01:32
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: having lots of money might turn someone into a right arse hole, that's the kind of thing your saying?Feb 12 01:32
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: well, sort of.Feb 12 01:32
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: maybe it amplifies one's characterFeb 12 01:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tuesday’s patches make #WindowsXP unbootable or prone to blue screens of death for some clients http://ur1.ca/m4kpFeb 12 01:32
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: I wouldn't know ;-)Feb 12 01:32
cubezzz2yeah each client is differentFeb 12 01:32
_goblinfurnaceboy: sorry afk....Feb 12 01:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: hrm that noticeFeb 12 01:33
cubezzz2in the old days I'd use mircFeb 12 01:33
sebsebsebwell that's not good if updates and then blue screen of deathFeb 12 01:33
cubezzz2you could underline and a bunch of other stuffFeb 12 01:33
sebsebsebor updates and XP won't boot upFeb 12 01:33
sebsebsebshame it will be a few years or more yet, before ReactOS can properly compete against WindowsFeb 12 01:33
sebsebseband by then it might not really matter much anymoreFeb 12 01:33
cubezzz2yeah doze might be dead :)Feb 12 01:34
sebsebseb,because mobile computing will have hit off, so quite a few differnet OS'sFeb 12 01:34
sebsebsebmobile computing will have probably hit off aboveFeb 12 01:34
cubezzz2but then, like New Coke, New Doze will arrive :)Feb 12 01:34
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: too lateFeb 12 01:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Apparently, the Andromeda galaxy is an atheist plot. http://is.gd/8cfCT http://is.gd/8cfHZ http://is.gd/8cf9xFeb 12 01:34
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FurnaceBoycubezzz2: HEY! why are you hiding behind this nick!Feb 12 01:34
sebsebsebanyway that link schestowitz just gave I want to see thatFeb 12 01:34
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: are you really cubezzz !Feb 12 01:34
sebsebsebthe XP oneFeb 12 01:34
cubezzz2sebsebseb, try  before you typeFeb 12 01:35
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: what kind of trick are you pulling !Feb 12 01:35
sebsebsebcubezzz2: what?Feb 12 01:35
cubezzz2dohFeb 12 01:35
cubezzz2try % B without the space before you typeFeb 12 01:35
sebsebseb testFeb 12 01:35
cubezzz2OH YEAHFeb 12 01:36
cubezzz2;-)Feb 12 01:36
_goblinfurnaceboy: lol...smart? I know my subjects you know yours.....(sorry about the delayed reply, afk, father duties)Feb 12 01:36
cubezzz2yeah I'm cubezzz, was just experimenting there and booted myself Feb 12 01:36
sebsebseb this doesn't really show how it would normalley for me though at the moment, since I decided that I wanted all my messages in blueFeb 12 01:36
FurnaceBoy_goblin: can you give a good definition of "understatement"Feb 12 01:36
_goblinto under.....Feb 12 01:37
cubezzz2%Kwhat about this?Feb 12 01:37
_goblinto ......Feb 12 01:37
cubezzz2ah, didn't workFeb 12 01:37
cubezzz2ok, maybe this is a bad idea :)Feb 12 01:37
_goblinto undervalue the true worth - how about that?Feb 12 01:37
sebsebseb%u testFeb 12 01:37
cubezzz2capital UFeb 12 01:37
_goblinhow did I do?Feb 12 01:38
sebsebseb testFeb 12 01:38
FurnaceBoysebsebseb | all that Harry Potter stuff has made a lot of money thoughFeb 12 01:38
FurnaceBoyFurnaceBoy | that's an understatement :)Feb 12 01:38
sebsebseb testFeb 12 01:38
sebsebsebtestFeb 12 01:38
sebsebsebyep b i and uFeb 12 01:38
sebsebsebcubezzz2: some people really like there coloured text an suchFeb 12 01:38
FurnaceBoy_goblin: undervalue doesn't describe what sebsebseb did hereFeb 12 01:38
FurnaceBoy_goblin: he under-stated something; but how to rephrase this? surprisingly tricky.Feb 12 01:39
sebsebsebHarry Potter is part of consumerismFeb 12 01:39
cubezzz2Doze really suxFeb 12 01:39
sebsebsebbig timeFeb 12 01:39
_goblinno but if something has a value...ie to say harry potter has made money is an understatement...its stating a fact which is grossly less than its true value.....Feb 12 01:39
sebsebsebanyway  not seen the others in the cinema, so this last one  I got to reallyFeb 12 01:39
sebsebsebhowever that would mean I would be sitting in a room full of Windows users LOLFeb 12 01:40
sebsebsebpeople who use it, because they don't know betterFeb 12 01:40
roved2101I feel dizzyFeb 12 01:40
_goblinto say Im Paris Hilton's ideal man is a understatement....Feb 12 01:40
cubezzz2ok, coloured text is possible :)Feb 12 01:40
sebsebsebconsumerism yeahFeb 12 01:40
sebsebsebthat's why Windows is here in the first placeFeb 12 01:40
sebsebseband so popularFeb 12 01:40
roved2101_goblin why sink so lowFeb 12 01:40
_goblinsebsebseb: why because of Paris Hilton?Feb 12 01:40
_goblinand to roved2101?Feb 12 01:41
_goblinParis is a linux user you know.Feb 12 01:41
sebsebsebit's not that bad really consuerism I guess,  except for when it comes to stuff such as computer  software as in Windows  etc.  and  well buying a house and such will be expensiveFeb 12 01:41
cubezzz2Paris on Star Trek? :)Feb 12 01:41
roved2101_goblin the depths of despair we go toFeb 12 01:41
_goblinhttp://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/08/paris-hilton-tinkerbell-linux.htmlFeb 12 01:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBspot - Paris Hilton Releases Tinkerbell Linux .::. Size~: 22.47 KBFeb 12 01:41
_goblintold you.Feb 12 01:41
sebsebseb_goblin: by the way aren't you normalley in bed at  this time?Feb 12 01:42
_goblin137....yeahFeb 12 01:42
_goblinbut I have a three day weekend and Im on teething duty so the wife can get a good nights sleep.Feb 12 01:42
sebsebseb_goblin: no work/college/university in the day?Feb 12 01:42
cubezzz2_goblin doesn't sleep :)Feb 12 01:42
sebsebseb_goblin: so the Jono phone call uhmmm  what kind of stuff was said, how come your veiws changed?Feb 12 01:43
_goblinand this is the little beggar who is teething: http://www.twitpic.com/l4q5aFeb 12 01:43
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roved2101_goblin is that for realFeb 12 01:44
sebsebsebif I was on the phone with Steve Ballmer,  I might think of Microsoft more positvely, heh hehFeb 12 01:44
_goblinyeah.....Feb 12 01:44
_goblinand notice how Indiana Gregg (the singer) thinks hes cute!Feb 12 01:44
_goblinshe commented on my account.....Ive had conversations with her.Feb 12 01:44
_goblinsebsebseb: I am a professional judge of character......he made sense and put to bed many of my issues and concerns.Feb 12 01:46
cubezzz2if you became a billionaire from MSFT you would also think of Microsoft more positivelyFeb 12 01:46
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: oh, weak human you are. :)Feb 12 01:46
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: what?Feb 12 01:47
_goblinyes, but Im above bribery....look at my blog....I say what I think.Feb 12 01:47
cubezzz2damn, that's a lot of moneyFeb 12 01:47
sebsebsebthe Steve Ballmer thing was a jokeFeb 12 01:47
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: i know, only teasingFeb 12 01:47
FurnaceBoybut really, principles don't matter a damn. profit is the only virtuous goalFeb 12 01:48
cubezzz2just a green experimentFeb 12 01:48
roved2101wow 36c global warming in summerFeb 12 01:49
_goblinI think the "moral" is to draw a line between MS distrust people may have and Canonical.....they are two separate subjects....I think...well I think alot, so Im writing it on my blog....the conversation was just an informal chat and most of it was private as it was to do with personal subjects......what I can say is that I think I was far too hasty in my fears about Ubuntu.Feb 12 01:50
_goblinand that sometimes, (like I accuse others of) a desire to protect that which you praise can become distorted by an unrealistic fear....Feb 12 01:51
_goblinwith the best of intentions....Feb 12 01:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #unicode is a basic human writeFeb 12 01:51
_goblinHaving said that my views on MS, Mono & Novell have not changed, merely my appreciation of Ubuntu's place in the Linux world and its future.Feb 12 01:54
_goblinalthough Im still miffed about GIMP going since a planned deployment is going to be made more difficult....Feb 12 01:55
_goblinAnyway talking of GIMP, is there anyone here who has any info on a rumoured GIMPlight?Feb 12 01:56
sebsebsebplanned deplyoment of GImp will be more difficult?Feb 12 01:56
sebsebsebgimplight no  idea, but  single window mode, well  already something that can  be tried for that if I remember correctlyFeb 12 01:56
_goblinyeah....I had hoped to put it onto a load of work laptops.....they have not got (nor ever will have) net connection.....Feb 12 01:56
_goblinso I can't just get it from the software center.....Feb 12 01:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: you here noticed a mistake in your XP link that you should changeFeb 12 01:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@spotlightcity This speech is way too heavy, way too heavy #haihaito // the trick with giving speeches is to throw away page 2! #torontoFeb 12 01:57
sebsebseb_goblin: by the way there's a Hannah Montana  Linux based on KubuntuFeb 12 01:59
_goblinlol...Feb 12 01:59
_goblinreally?Feb 12 01:59
sebsebsebthat's old news nowFeb 12 01:59
sebsebseband yesFeb 12 01:59
sebsebsebyou can/coud download an ISOFeb 12 02:00
_goblinI think my lad is too young for Hannah Montana.....Feb 12 02:00
sebsebsebit came out last yearFeb 12 02:00
sebsebsebI think my little brother is to young for the me menuFeb 12 02:00
sebsebsebso that's something to remove when it goes 10.04 in his accountFeb 12 02:00
sebsebseband then  go into gconf myself and get icons back in the system menuFeb 12 02:01
sebsebseband what was removed in places, that's right that's gone as well the interface thingFeb 12 02:01
_goblinI think we need a Paris Hilton Linux..... ;)Feb 12 02:01
_goblinHiltuxFeb 12 02:01
roved2101_goblin we need and Obama Linux lolFeb 12 02:01
_goblinObama doesn't appeal to me in the same way....sorry.Feb 12 02:01
roved2101and he'll use his power to violate the gplFeb 12 02:02
sebsebseb_goblin: This 10.04Feb 12 02:02
sebsebsebit seems won't replaceFeb 12 02:02
sebsebseb8.10 or 9.04 propelry for meFeb 12 02:02
sebsebsebthose two are great releassesFeb 12 02:02
_goblinroved2101: I may get flamed for this, but I think Obama seems a decent chap.Feb 12 02:02
sebsebseb_goblin: where is  Ubuntu heading,  well they are trying to gain the average consumer over as far as I knowFeb 12 02:03
cubezzz2I think he is decent tooFeb 12 02:03
_goblin8.04 I found better than 8.10Feb 12 02:03
_goblin9.04 - decentFeb 12 02:03
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sebsebseb9.10 not that good at allFeb 12 02:03
_goblin9.10 - very impressed (especially boot/shutdown times)Feb 12 02:03
sebsebseboh my lolFeb 12 02:03
sebsebsebMandriva very impressed for boot up and shut downFeb 12 02:04
sebsebseboh yesFeb 12 02:04
sebsebsebreally nice plymouthFeb 12 02:04
sebsebsebthingFeb 12 02:04
_goblinMandriva - #fail for me.Feb 12 02:04
sebsebsebI can have the graphical boot up, or press esc for text modeFeb 12 02:04
sebsebsebverbose mode as it's calledFeb 12 02:04
sebsebseb9.10 it's likeFeb 12 02:04
sebsebsebwell that white Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen is a jokeFeb 12 02:04
roved2101_goblin you sickpFeb 12 02:04
_goblin?Feb 12 02:04
sebsebsebthe Kubuntu one is betterFeb 12 02:05
sebsebsebjust ilke KDM is now actsaully decantFeb 12 02:05
_goblinnever liked KDEFeb 12 02:05
sebsebsebunlike before, and now  GDM has gone bad insteadFeb 12 02:05
roved2101_goblin Obama just needs us to show us his neocon strings Feb 12 02:05
sebsebseb_goblin: I do Gnome with a bit of KDE stuff usuealleyFeb 12 02:05
sebsebsebGDM is ugly in 9.10Feb 12 02:05
sebsebsebit really isFeb 12 02:05
sebsebseband the boot up is patheticFeb 12 02:05
roved2101_goblin Mandriva provide gnome and kde live isoFeb 12 02:05
_goblinI was saying to Jono...I sometimes think I have a slackware distro on my main rig to convince myself Im l33tFeb 12 02:05
sebsebsebalso if you had done 9.04 with Ext4, then you would of got a proper improement when it comes to boot upFeb 12 02:06
_goblinUbuntu (and to be fair Fedora and a plethora of others) are rock solid.Feb 12 02:06
sebsebsebMandriva I had a few little bugs, but it's a great distroFeb 12 02:06
_goblinhaving said that, my Wolvix does fly.....however its not the one the family will use.....Feb 12 02:06
sebsebsebcomes with  a nice Mandriva Control Centre, instead of some silly Ubuntu One etcFeb 12 02:07
sebsebsebyeah I still got Ubuntu on the family computerFeb 12 02:07
sebsebsebthat might go Mandriva eventaulleyFeb 12 02:07
_goblinI like Ubuntu One...Ive liked it since I started using it.Feb 12 02:07
roved2101y11a3rFeb 12 02:07
_goblinWrote about it on my blog many many months ago now......was impressed then.Feb 12 02:07
sebsebsebfor my own personal   computer useage, it seems they are adding nothing that I want, that I can't get in other distrosFeb 12 02:08
sebsebsebroved2101: what's that?Feb 12 02:08
roved2101y0u s36s36s36Feb 12 02:08
_goblinyes but then Ubuntu is not the worst offender of adding things I don't want......Feb 12 02:08
roved2101lolFeb 12 02:08
_goblinthen winner of the most pointless duplication and utils is..........Feb 12 02:08
roved2101If I want to custom mandy the I get to dual isoFeb 12 02:09
_goblin#!cblFeb 12 02:09
roved2101otherwise it the live one ISO'sFeb 12 02:09
sebsebseb_goblin: what?Feb 12 02:09
roved2101I think Im going back to kde 4 nowFeb 12 02:09
_goblinsorry Crunchbang LinuxFeb 12 02:09
_goblinit had more duplicates /clones in it than an episode of xfactorFeb 12 02:10
sebsebsebuhmm not sure what you mean exactly,  copies of programs or oens that are similar?Feb 12 02:10
sebsebsebanyway it's just UbuntuFeb 12 02:10
_goblinif memory serves....the version based of 8.10 had....Feb 12 02:10
sebsebsebwith OpenBox or whatever the wm is or whateverFeb 12 02:10
_goblin3 IRC clientsFeb 12 02:10
sebsebseboh you want one app for a task?Feb 12 02:10
_goblin2 browsersFeb 12 02:11
_goblinno 3Feb 12 02:11
_goblinand I can't remember what else, but there was much duplication there.Feb 12 02:11
roved2101ohhhFeb 12 02:11
_goblinRE: IRC - I think it had X-Chat, IRSSI and something else...Feb 12 02:11
sebsebsebXchat I call noobchatFeb 12 02:12
sebsebsebsince it's mainly noobs using itFeb 12 02:12
_goblinlol...Im using it at the moment!Feb 12 02:12
_goblinXChat-GNOME 0.26.1Feb 12 02:12
sebsebsebwell there are some more experienced users using it as wellFeb 12 02:12
sebsebseb,butFeb 12 02:12
sebsebsebit's really popular with the noobsFeb 12 02:12
sebsebsebso yeah noobchatFeb 12 02:12
*FurnaceBoy uses weechatFeb 12 02:13
cubezzz2I've been using irc for over 20 years :)Feb 12 02:13
_goblinon my main rig I use IRSSI but I sometimes wonder if thats to convince myself Im l33t....Feb 12 02:13
*FurnaceBoy used to use x-chat but never really found a decent gui clientFeb 12 02:13
_goblincubezzz2: For me I think 12 years.....I think it was around 98 I started.Feb 12 02:13
_goblinI do though remember being a compuserve customer, paying for the net by the hour......Feb 12 02:14
_goblinand going back further....."Dawn Raid BBS" at 14k!Feb 12 02:14
cubezzz2well, just plain chat has been around even longerFeb 12 02:14
_goblinand back even further, on the Spectrum the BBS type service which I believe was the first to offer online media (you could pay to download games onto tape)Feb 12 02:15
cubezzz2irc I think started around 1988Feb 12 02:15
sebsebsebBBS????Feb 12 02:15
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: yes.. unix talk, e.g...Feb 12 02:16
_goblinI wish I could remember that Spectrum service.... something ended in "tel" I think....Feb 12 02:16
sebsebsebwhat's BBS? also what's spectrum serivce what does that mean?Feb 12 02:16
*sebsebseb just about remembers dial upFeb 12 02:16
sebsebseb1p a minute 6pm to 6amFeb 12 02:17
sebsebseb4p a minute in the dayFeb 12 02:17
*roved2101 thinks sebsebseb was born yesterdayFeb 12 02:17
sebsebseband rather slow connection 56k or soFeb 12 02:17
sebsebsebwhere I live was one of the first with Broadband in this area :)Feb 12 02:18
_goblinI remember 1200bpsFeb 12 02:18
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: Bulletin Board ServiceFeb 12 02:18
_goblininfact no.... 300Feb 12 02:18
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: rack of modemsFeb 12 02:18
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: multi-user; chat, file transfer, bulletin boardFeb 12 02:18
_goblinand the original acoustic coupler.Feb 12 02:18
cubezzz2people still use dialupFeb 12 02:18
*FurnaceBoy used dialup till about 2001Feb 12 02:18
_goblinatd <tel>Feb 12 02:18
_goblinata for autoanswerFeb 12 02:19
cubezzz2Toronto Freenet offers very low cost dialup accountsFeb 12 02:19
_goblinfurnaceboy....I think I did too.Feb 12 02:19
_goblinaround that time anyway.Feb 12 02:19
cubezzz2the modem era kind of sucked thoughFeb 12 02:20
_goblinfile sizes were smaller though....it was all relative.Feb 12 02:20
cubezzz2although we now have "DSL modems"Feb 12 02:20
sebsebsebThe Internet Explorer era (or whatever it's called)  sucksFeb 12 02:20
sebsebseb,butFeb 12 02:20
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FurnaceBoy_goblin: yeah arrival of adslFeb 12 02:20
sebsebsebthat's near an end nowFeb 12 02:20
sebsebsebhi DaemonFCFeb 12 02:20
sebsebsebyou have missed some interesting chatsFeb 12 02:20
DaemonFChelloFeb 12 02:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: welcome old buddyFeb 12 02:21
_goblina little like money...in the "old days" you could go around the world with 10p.....shame was you only earnt 1p in a month.Feb 12 02:21
DaemonFCprobably didFeb 12 02:21
sebsebseb_goblin: in the old days £1 was a lotFeb 12 02:21
DaemonFCquick question.....On boot it tells me it can't read the module vesafb.koFeb 12 02:21
DaemonFCso nothing is malfunctioning, so what does this mean?Feb 12 02:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: maybe you need to depmod -aFeb 12 02:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: or even rebuild modules. is it your build?Feb 12 02:21
_goblinsebsebseb: yeah...it still is today.....Im lucky to find £1 in my wallet after the wife has been through it.Feb 12 02:22
FurnaceBoy_goblin: hahahahaFeb 12 02:22
DaemonFCnope, Ubuntu stock kernel, this one is out of karmic-proposed, but the last one was doing it too *shrug*Feb 12 02:22
sebsebseb_goblin: a lot of stuff is over a £1 today or just underFeb 12 02:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: in that case, try google .. or depmod -a and hope for the best :)Feb 12 02:22
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The last time I needed to build a kernel was when they had _everything_ fucked up on Intrepid, and especially JauntyFeb 12 02:23
_goblinI was having this convo with a twitter lady the other day......she was talking buying trainers for 80quid.....Feb 12 02:23
_goblinmy last pair cost £10Feb 12 02:23
roved2101governments wanting to control cyberspace sucksFeb 12 02:23
sebsebseb_goblin: yeah £80 is quite a lot of trainers reallyFeb 12 02:23
FurnaceBoyroved2101: pretty funny, the Australian government just asked Google to censor YouTube for them.Feb 12 02:23
sebsebsebfor not of aboveFeb 12 02:23
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: maybe not for him since he is from thereFeb 12 02:24
_goblinsebsebseb: can't remember what make they were.Feb 12 02:24
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, snap crackle pop on Pulseaudio especially, but disabling tickless really seemed to help that a lotFeb 12 02:24
FurnaceBoyroved2101: ah, that's what you were referring to?Feb 12 02:24
_goblinCensorship is a strange issue.....Feb 12 02:24
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I'm using tickless. i wish my cpu had proper cpufreq control, but it's a 1st gen P4 HTFeb 12 02:25
DaemonFCewwwwFeb 12 02:25
FurnaceBoynice cpu, except for that,Feb 12 02:25
DaemonFCmy condolences Feb 12 02:25
DaemonFCI had a Pentium 4 and hated itFeb 12 02:25
FurnaceBoywhy?Feb 12 02:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @achitnis: "Turn off Buzz" doesn't, it only stops displaying it. To stop it, follow these instructions http://is.gd/8cnti (via @purelynarFeb 12 02:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: How to kill your Google Buzz - irsquared's posterous .::. Size~: 27.25 KBFeb 12 02:25
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: he loes his Internet filter really :D   heh hehFeb 12 02:25
sebsebseblovesFeb 12 02:25
roved2101yes FurnaceboyFeb 12 02:26
DaemonFCthe only thing I remember about it was that it ran hot and wasn't really that fast considering they had it clocked that highFeb 12 02:26
FurnaceBoyroved2101: is this more from Fred Nile and the religious lobby?Feb 12 02:26
_goblin%b How to kill BN chat 101 %b- Talk about wrestling.Feb 12 02:26
_goblindohFeb 12 02:26
FurnaceBoyroved2101: they seem to have more sway in things than is sensibleFeb 12 02:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yeah i just wish i could speed it down. Feb 12 02:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: can't be done properly on this model.Feb 12 02:26
roved2101FurnaceBoy to some degree but more of Rudds endeavours to be like his friends in China. He just let the christian lobby be the fall boysFeb 12 02:27
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, You'd expect some power out of a 3.73 Ghz processorFeb 12 02:27
FurnaceBoyroved2101: interesting.Feb 12 02:27
DaemonFClolFeb 12 02:27
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: well, it's fast enough. just hotter than i need.Feb 12 02:27
_goblinSomething amazing happened to me today.........Feb 12 02:27
FurnaceBoyroved2101: Rudd's relationship with China is .. ewwwwFeb 12 02:27
FurnaceBoyroved2101: a bit like Bill'sFeb 12 02:27
roved2101FurnaceBoy the NBN will be web 2.0 all controlled by the nazi government in australiaFeb 12 02:27
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, My 2.2 Ghz Athlon64 bested the 3.73 Ghz Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in most benchmarksFeb 12 02:27
DaemonFCthat's just sadFeb 12 02:28
roved2101oh did i call labor naziFeb 12 02:28
FurnaceBoyroved2101: "How high, sirs?"Feb 12 02:28
roved2101lolFeb 12 02:28
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: NBN?Feb 12 02:28
sebsebsebuhFeb 12 02:28
sebsebsebroved2101: Feb 12 02:28
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I like AMDFeb 12 02:28
sebsebsebwhat's NBN roved2101 ?Feb 12 02:28
_goblinme too.Feb 12 02:28
roved2101sebsebseb: National Broadband NetworkFeb 12 02:28
sebsebseboh okFeb 12 02:28
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I started calling it my Pentium 4 Extremely bad purchase EditionFeb 12 02:28
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 02:28
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I like the Niagara SPARCs even more though!Feb 12 02:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: hehFeb 12 02:29
sebsebsebroved2101: one organisation or company that owns all the broadband connections?Feb 12 02:29
roved2101yesFeb 12 02:29
DaemonFCeven with a heat duct it was constantly over 90 degrees CFeb 12 02:29
DaemonFC!!!!!!Feb 12 02:29
sebsebseb_goblin: it's not like that for us in the UK I think?Feb 12 02:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @evgenymorozov: Google tweaks Buzz's privacy defaults http://bit.ly/cUNKCvFeb 12 02:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Official Gmail Blog: Millions of Buzz users, and improvements based on your feedback .::. Size~: 59.99 KBFeb 12 02:29
roved2101not just the infrastructure the whole lot sebsebsebFeb 12 02:29
sebsebseb_goblin: we don't have one organisation owning all the ISP's ?Feb 12 02:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: well, it's a good workhorse... when it dies of Intel Heat Syndrome(R) I guess I'll try and find something speedsteppable for the same socketFeb 12 02:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: mine is heat ductedFeb 12 02:29
_goblinbut obviously nobody finds me interesting......I wrote "something amazing happened to me today........" to see how long it would take for someone to ask what it was.....noone did....so I can only conclude Im as popular a herpes.Feb 12 02:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but i don't think it gets over 50CFeb 12 02:30
DaemonFCThe only thing a Pentium 4 got you is a space heater, and a need for a bigger PSU and more cooling Feb 12 02:30
roved2101and then isp will connect to it but they all must go this route sebsebseb or no accessFeb 12 02:30
cubezzz267 C on my P3 currently :)Feb 12 02:30
_goblinsebsebseb: re: broadband.....not really.Feb 12 02:30
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: it seems to be hard to get good cpu temp figures from linuxFeb 12 02:30
*FurnaceBoy tries gkrellmFeb 12 02:30
_goblinsebsebseb: it depends on how you want to define "own"Feb 12 02:30
cubezzz2FurnaceBoy, not at allFeb 12 02:30
roved2101Oh its a hot normal summer day for once 37cFeb 12 02:30
cubezzz2I wrote a bash script for itFeb 12 02:30
FurnaceBoyheh, yeah, bogus 21CFeb 12 02:30
sebsebseb_goblin: well our ISP's and such isn't like Aussieland? That's the main thingFeb 12 02:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: gkrellm tells me 21CFeb 12 02:31
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I was not impressed with the Core 2 Duo either. By that I mean it was awesome vs. previous Intel CPUs I had owned, but it wasn't great Feb 12 02:31
DaemonFCI bought AMD again this time, probably no more Intel for meFeb 12 02:31
_goblinsebsebseb: no...but......I can see that coming.....Feb 12 02:31
sebsebsebroved2101: I guess you live some where where, the goverment controls it's people more so than other counteriesFeb 12 02:31
cubezzz2temp:      +23.0C  (limit =  +60C, hysteresis =  +50C)Feb 12 02:31
cubezzz2Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0440Feb 12 02:31
cubezzz2Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapterFeb 12 02:31
cubezzz2temp:      +66.0C  (limit = +120.0C, hysteresis = +100.0C)Feb 12 02:31
_goblinsebsebseb: as people here know I am anti-filesharing, however with that in mind I don't agree that the DEB is either proportionate or practicle.Feb 12 02:32
roved2101Kernel: Linux 2.6.32.7-desktop-69mib CPU[1]: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz@3000.000 MHz CPU[2]: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz@3000.000 MHz Mem/Use:    739708 kB/     7824 kB XInfo:  Screen #0: @ 1280x1024 pixels (342x271 millimeters) /24 bit Uptime: 4:53Feb 12 02:32
cubezzz2depends on which sensor you are reading FurnaceBoyFeb 12 02:32
sebsebseb_goblin: the DEB???Feb 12 02:32
DaemonFCcubezzz2, Yes, the Pentium 3 was the last passable CPU Intel produced, out of what I've used anyway, I admit I have not used the i5 or i7, but that's cause of their past performanceFeb 12 02:32
_goblinDigital Economy BillFeb 12 02:32
_goblinsorry.Feb 12 02:32
sebsebsebah yes that thingFeb 12 02:32
DaemonFCsome people were raving about Core 2, so I know not to get in that trap of word of mouth againFeb 12 02:32
sebsebsebyep anti piracy stuff is on it's  way soon and properly it seemsFeb 12 02:32
sebsebsebaltough that's just the excuse as roved2101 would sayFeb 12 02:32
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: so what's the secret to getting a properly calibrated reading?Feb 12 02:33
DaemonFCI'm happy with my Phenom II X4 945 :) (3 Ghz)Feb 12 02:33
cubezzz2FurnaceBoy, modules and the motherboardFeb 12 02:33
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: i mean, specifically.Feb 12 02:33
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: if i wanted to know the temp, how would i do it?Feb 12 02:33
FurnaceBoygkrellm clearly doesn't know how.Feb 12 02:33
sebsebseb_goblin: stop piracy rather properly,  and more people will get opensourc/freesoftware :DFeb 12 02:33
_goblinI think ISP's should be licensed like premesis that sell alcohol.  Make the ISP's responsible for the data that passes through it, not the customer...of course should the material fall into the realms of criminal and not merely a "standard" filesharing issue than thats different.Feb 12 02:33
roved2101Ultimately its all about the control of the free flow of information on the internetFeb 12 02:33
cubezzz2well sensors.conf for startersFeb 12 02:34
DaemonFCone reason I'm familiar with the Pentium 3 is because that's essentially the CPU of the original XBOX, and I was running all kinds of homebrew on it and LinuxFeb 12 02:34
cubezzz2and you need the appropriate modules for your boardFeb 12 02:34
cubezzz2/etc/sensors.confFeb 12 02:34
FurnaceBoyI believe I do.Feb 12 02:34
DaemonFCthe original XBOX was a nice thing to have just for the tinkering that could be doneFeb 12 02:34
cubezzz2just use the command line stuff Feb 12 02:34
DaemonFCcheap media center/ Linux PCFeb 12 02:34
cubezzz2e.g. /usr/bin/sensors lm79-i2c-1-2d lm75-i2c-1-4c lm75-i2c-1-4dFeb 12 02:35
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: it looks like it's reading from ACPIFeb 12 02:35
sebsebseb_goblin: I think they should be 100% clear to people what is legal and what is not, when it comes to The Internet,  but also other things as wellFeb 12 02:35
sebsebseb_goblin: would be good if there was a website for example, you could put in a question it searches the database for the answer and yeahFeb 12 02:35
cubezzz2your board probably has several sensors on itFeb 12 02:35
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Or you can be like me, don't _care_ what's legal or not and just deploy countermeasure :)Feb 12 02:35
_goblinsebsebseb: Of course Filesharing itself is really a civil not criminal issue (that is the act of merely sharing material not selling), the DEB would be totally powerless against a downloader from the binary NG;s merely because the element of sharing is absent....this would also be the case for a civil matter..Feb 12 02:35
_goblinsame with IRC.Feb 12 02:36
_goblinit would be the server only getting the "wrath" not the downloader.Feb 12 02:36
_goblinthat why I never understood why the BT protocol stays popular.Feb 12 02:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: countermeasure as in being careful?Feb 12 02:36
DaemonFCDidn't Linus say at one point "If you have to ask a lawyer if what you're doing it right or wrong, you're morally bankrupt."Feb 12 02:36
DaemonFC*isFeb 12 02:37
cubezzz2for example:Feb 12 02:37
FurnaceBoyouchFeb 12 02:37
cubezzz2National Sensors (three different places on board)Feb 12 02:37
cubezzz2two LM75, one near each CPUFeb 12 02:37
cubezzz2one LM79 located near ISA slotsFeb 12 02:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: more likely, part of a morally bankrupt system.Feb 12 02:37
cubezzz2the sensor near the ISA slots is close to room temperatureFeb 12 02:37
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: i must be missing the userspace for this.Feb 12 02:37
FurnaceBoylm-sensors i think ?Feb 12 02:37
cubezzz2hence it returns 21 CFeb 12 02:37
cubezzz2FurnaceBoy, yesFeb 12 02:37
FurnaceBoyok lemme seeFeb 12 02:37
sebsebseb_goblin: when I put database above I meant on a websiteFeb 12 02:37
DaemonFClaws don't define right or wrong, at their best they punish people who have done wrong, and at their worst they persecute people who have done nothing wrong (DMCA)Feb 12 02:38
DaemonFCJon Johanson (sp?) for exampleFeb 12 02:38
cubezzz2something like: lm_sensors-2.8.1-1.i386.rpmFeb 12 02:38
sebsebseband sometimes people get in trouble with law, because they didn't know they did something that broke itFeb 12 02:38
cubezzz2although that's old, but my computer is old :)Feb 12 02:39
DaemonFCcracking DRM to give legal owners of DVDs the ability to play them back on their computersFeb 12 02:39
_goblinSebsebseb: yeah now talking of databases......Google caches webpages...so ergo if the Piratebay gets sent to court for its links to torrents, then Google is doing exactly the same thing.Feb 12 02:39
DaemonFChe's not a bad guy, he did nothing wrong, but he broke a lawFeb 12 02:39
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: ok I'm on it. I thought I had it installed.Feb 12 02:39
_goblinI think the line gets confused......if you share a file on BT...it is unlawful not criminal.Feb 12 02:39
_goblinif you make money from that material, it slips into criminal.Feb 12 02:40
_goblinthis is why TPB verdict confused people.Feb 12 02:40
DaemonFChis work not only benefited Linux/BSD/whatever users, but also users of Windows who either didn't have the ability to play DVD (like XP or Vista Business) or who didn't want to sit through 20 minutes of commercials and crap to get to their movieFeb 12 02:40
_goblinit was the money aspect which caused the issue.Feb 12 02:40
DaemonFCso I consider him a minor heroFeb 12 02:40
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_goblinif you remember the leaked phantom menace uploader who was arrest and sent to jail....that was due (I believe) to the circumstances of him getting the material in the first place...physical theft of the media it was stored on.Feb 12 02:41
schestowitz[01:57] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: you here noticed a mistake in your XP link that you should changeFeb 12 02:41
schestowitzWhich one is that?Feb 12 02:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: your latest article I think?Feb 12 02:41
DaemonFCDVDs around 2003 also started shipping with all kinds of spyware and DRM that took advantage of Windows AutorunFeb 12 02:42
DaemonFCto infect systems belonging to clueless usersFeb 12 02:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: where you mention xbox and have the numbers in brakets, you don't link to anythingFeb 12 02:42
DaemonFCsebsebseb, The horrible thing that I notice when disinfecting Windows PCs is that just as often as the problem is illegal Russian Viagra casino spyware, it's also something that "legitimate" software from a "legitimate" company has doneFeb 12 02:43
DaemonFCand it has crippled their PCFeb 12 02:44
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah all these security issues with WIndows, and yet all these people use it and even those that know Linux and such exist, it's sad reallyFeb 12 02:44
cubezzz2just get them off doze, problem fixedFeb 12 02:44
cubezzz2sheesh, why even bother with doze really?Feb 12 02:44
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 12 02:44
FurnaceBoy+1111111!!111Feb 12 02:44
sebsebsebcubezzz2: since they got apps that won't work in Wine or a Windows virtual machineFeb 12 02:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: when DaemonFC comes in with his "windows did this, windows did that" stories, I wonder the same thing.Feb 12 02:45
sebsebsebcubezzz2: or hardware that won't work with other OS'sFeb 12 02:45
DaemonFCcubezzz2, Not always easy, but what is easy is to clobber and hide access to IE and Windows Media Player, disable Autorun, and put some credible antivirus software on thereFeb 12 02:45
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: the converse is more often true.Feb 12 02:45
sebsebsebwell a bot net has been used to attack  another bot net recnetlyFeb 12 02:45
cubezzz2it's like exercising... no one feels like doing it, but it's good for you :)Feb 12 02:45
DaemonFCrepalce all the shit you hid with FOSS alternatives, VLC, Firefox, OOo, etc.Feb 12 02:45
sebsebsebI gave the ink out here arlierFeb 12 02:45
cubezzz2you got to start somewhereFeb 12 02:45
DaemonFCcubezzz2, Family mostly, but people also pay you to fix the issueFeb 12 02:46
cubezzz2you got to get off the crack :)Feb 12 02:46
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schestowitzsebsebseb: the links are at the bottomFeb 12 02:46
DaemonFCI don't feel honest about setting them up to get pwned again after I'm done, so I try to walk them through some things before I leave :)Feb 12 02:46
schestowitzI know it's not clear of consistent wrt other postsFeb 12 02:46
cubezzz2mplayer beats the heck out of windows media playerFeb 12 02:46
sebsebsebin fact  I did two things earlier:Feb 12 02:46
schestowitzI have three more posts comingFeb 12 02:46
sebsebsebhttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/021010-new-russian-botnet-tries-to.html  joke comments as well http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010021001735NWNTFeb 12 02:46
schestowitzI'm just rpoofreading themFeb 12 02:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: New Russian botnet tries to kill rival .::. Size~: 88.17 KBFeb 12 02:46
schestowitzThat's why I'm absent from IRCFeb 12 02:46
cubezzz2still looking for an ARM machine :-/Feb 12 02:47
sebsebsebYep relying on one anti virus isn't enough http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1224  and ok comment, but the joke isn't that funny http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-11-002-35-SY-MS-SW-0000Feb 12 02:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 22.49 KBFeb 12 02:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 75.55 KBFeb 12 02:48
DaemonFCcubezzz2, Well, one thing is education, and I was kind of horrified to find someone had ripped dozens of CDs into WMA, so I ended up sitting there for hours re-ripping them into MP3Feb 12 02:48
DaemonFChehFeb 12 02:48
cubezzz2mplayer plays wma just fineFeb 12 02:48
DaemonFCplays on everything, take it with you if you leave WindowsFeb 12 02:48
DaemonFCproblem solvedFeb 12 02:48
cubezzz2yes, wma isn't my first choice :)Feb 12 02:49
sebsebsebDaemonFC: most people don't secure Windows properly enough in the first place,  and only way to make sure malware is gone is to properly remove Windows and re installFeb 12 02:49
cubezzz2could even have DRM on itFeb 12 02:49
DaemonFCwell, it's not an ideal format, but it has a FOSS solution end to end, so I feel a lot safer about it than WMA or AACFeb 12 02:49
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: then it comes back. :)Feb 12 02:49
DaemonFCthere's really nothing that the industry can do to take back MP3 and they know itFeb 12 02:49
DaemonFCthey keep trying to retcon some non-standard extension or crap, but it never takes holdFeb 12 02:50
cubezzz2FOSS is winningFeb 12 02:50
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: what comes back the virus?Feb 12 02:50
DaemonFCI'm not concerned that they'll ever get it back, cause they won'tFeb 12 02:50
DaemonFCabout all they can do is charge other companies royaltiesFeb 12 02:50
DaemonFCthe extent that MP3 patents affect me is that portable media players cost $1 moreFeb 12 02:52
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FurnaceBoysebsebseb: malware yesFeb 12 02:54
Jose_Xhey, schestowitz..Feb 12 02:54
DaemonFCI think it's interesting that we're starting to see some trojans that take advantage of Ubuntu spreading over legitimate sitesFeb 12 02:54
sebsebsebDaemonFC: what you on about?  however there was  what was meant to be a screensaver on Gnome look for Ubuntu, that wasn'tFeb 12 02:55
Jose_Xwanted to point out a few comments just made. all old material but the last quotes from a page you did on comes in the middle of last yearFeb 12 02:55
DaemonFCthe Mac getting pwned through "pirate" copies of iLife or whatever was amusing, but this Ubuntu thing is kind of horrificFeb 12 02:55
Jose_Xhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010021102235OPCYUBFeb 12 02:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - Follow-up post to Canonical Microsoft .::. Size~: 79.98 KBFeb 12 02:55
DaemonFCsebsebseb, No, you got a screensaver alright, and a botnet trojan, heheFeb 12 02:55
DaemonFCand there was actually two occurances of thatFeb 12 02:56
DaemonFCback to backFeb 12 02:56
cubezzz2there's LFS for the paranoid :)Feb 12 02:56
cubezzz2or TinyCore :)Feb 12 02:56
DaemonFCI try not to run unsigned software that I don't trust from "some website"Feb 12 02:56
DaemonFCcause the gnome-look ordeal proved that's unwiseFeb 12 02:57
cubezzz2ba-hahahaFeb 12 02:57
sebsebsebDaemonFC: indeedFeb 12 02:57
cubezzz2how about "I compile everything from source" :)Feb 12 02:57
sebsebsebDaemonFC: also it's a site the bot recommends to people when !themes is doneFeb 12 02:57
DaemonFCthe distro repositories are OK, some PPAs are OKFeb 12 02:57
Ender2070hahaFeb 12 02:58
DaemonFCafter that I try to avoid things that end up on these third party deals like getdeb and gnome-lookFeb 12 02:58
Ender2070kubuntu wont have 4.4 for a whileFeb 12 02:58
DaemonFCcause you never know what you're installing until it's already taken over your PCFeb 12 02:58
sebsebsebEnder2070: well got to wait untill 10.04 for 4.4 maybeFeb 12 02:58
cubezzz2I compiled my own KDE tooFeb 12 02:58
sebsebsebor get some ppaFeb 12 02:58
cubezzz2repositories can dieFeb 12 02:59
cubezzz2don't get dependent on themFeb 12 02:59
DaemonFCsebsebseb, I've compiled small kernel modules before that I got from some random guy on Ubuntu Forums, but I'm talking real small, like, I could look at them real quick and be reasonably certain that there was probably nothing to be concerned aboutFeb 12 02:59
DaemonFCone was a driver for my xbox 360 gamepad :)Feb 12 03:00
sebsebsebcubezzz2: well yeah it's  fine really to  compile stuff yourself from trusted sourcesFeb 12 03:00
sebsebsebUbuntu would rather their users got all the programs they wanted from the offical repo's thoughFeb 12 03:00
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Then they should dust the repos off now and again for high demand packagesFeb 12 03:00
DaemonFCquit offering 3-4 versions agoFeb 12 03:00
sebsebsebDaemonFC: agreedFeb 12 03:01
sebsebsebthey should offer major stuff in the repo'sFeb 12 03:01
DaemonFCthey should offer users the option to install popcon with every install and monitor what people wantFeb 12 03:01
sebsebsebFirefox Open OfficeFeb 12 03:01
sebsebsebwhatever it is at the time, that all those noobs etc wantFeb 12 03:01
DaemonFCand make those high priority exceptions to the frozen repoFeb 12 03:01
cubezzz2sebsebseb, what about porting to a different cpu?Feb 12 03:01
sebsebseb,but jono  and such  would give us excuses for why it's security updates only in the offical repo'sFeb 12 03:01
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DaemonFCjono is a weenieFeb 12 03:02
cubezzz2then your rpms or whatever don't workFeb 12 03:02
DaemonFCand I say that with the utmost contemptFeb 12 03:02
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 03:02
sebsebsebwell there's backports for some stuffFeb 12 03:02
sebsebseb_goblin: still about?Feb 12 03:02
_goblinyeahFeb 12 03:02
sebsebsebwhat do you think on the subject?Feb 12 03:02
_goblinUbuntu and compiling?Feb 12 03:03
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Firefox, Thunderbird, OOo, Transmission, Nvidia and ATI drivers, PidginFeb 12 03:03
DaemonFCnewest version should always be in BackportsFeb 12 03:03
sebsebsebnot sure about  transmission ,but the others sureFeb 12 03:04
sebsebsebwell maybe not graphic card driversFeb 12 03:04
DaemonFCTransmission is developed rapidly and current version is much more competent than the one in UbuntuFeb 12 03:04
sebsebsebalso they don't care much about Pidgin anymore, since EmpathyFeb 12 03:04
DaemonFCPidgin because Empathy is crap and nobody sane uses it and gets Pidgin insteadFeb 12 03:04
sebsebsebwell newbies won't just know about PidginFeb 12 03:04
_goblinsebsebseb: I wouldn't use Pidgin.Feb 12 03:04
_goblinsorry *won'tFeb 12 03:05
DaemonFCNvidia and ATI drivers are developed rapidly and you may as well have the least shitty support for them as possibleFeb 12 03:05
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_goblinno need for all those services in one package....its really IRC and thats all.Feb 12 03:05
sebsebseb_goblin: what Pidgin is goodFeb 12 03:05
sebsebsebas an IM programFeb 12 03:06
DaemonFCsebsebseb, ATI Catalyst is 4 versions old in the Ubuntu repo and they have fixed over 20 crashers specifically affecting UbuntuFeb 12 03:06
DaemonFCold Catalyst = Ubuntu looks dodgyFeb 12 03:06
Jose_Xschestowitz, one thing that just came to mind. it concerns microsoft allowing their software to be "pirated" if necessaryFeb 12 03:06
sebsebsebDaemonFC: oh?Feb 12 03:06
_goblinyeah, I don't have a need except IRC.Feb 12 03:06
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well ATI is a common thing for the big Ubuntu channelFeb 12 03:06
sebsebsebissues with ATIFeb 12 03:06
roved2101lol @ sebsebsebFeb 12 03:06
DaemonFCsebsebseb, indeed, they also added several OpenGL extensions and now have full 3.2 supportFeb 12 03:06
DaemonFCUbuntu misses thatFeb 12 03:06
sebsebsebroved2101: why?Feb 12 03:06
_goblinJose_X: I think MS have changed their stance on that considerably.Feb 12 03:06
DaemonFCsebsebseb, I have to rebuild my ATI module every time I get a new kernel because I refuse to use the shit that Ubuntu offers meFeb 12 03:07
Jose_XThere software (or Windows as a whole) might be designed to phone home to Microsoft only after the user has used the product so as to add a certain level of lockin.Feb 12 03:07
_goblinJose_X: I think its now time to pay the reaper.Feb 12 03:07
DaemonFCcause I don't want an unstable system :)Feb 12 03:07
roved2101sebsebseb you flooded what more could I doFeb 12 03:07
sebsebsebroved2101: that's not why I wasn't re joiningFeb 12 03:07
roved2101lolFeb 12 03:08
Jose_Xeg, when certain features/bugs have been used so that openoffice will not render well.. these checks could be based on running lists Microsoft keeps current and which windows checksFeb 12 03:08
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Ubuntu is offering an unreleased beta Catalyst driver from sometime around last SeptemberFeb 12 03:08
sebsebsebroved2101: also this channel probably isn't really the best channel for other network chatFeb 12 03:08
Jose_X_goblin: they subsidize as necessary.. they did no the netbook market and will as necessaryFeb 12 03:08
DaemonFCsimple as that, should not be allowed :)Feb 12 03:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 32% of #Microsoft #Windows computers with #antivirus are infected. (Just don't use Windows) http://bit.ly/aqmy7pFeb 12 03:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 22.49 KBFeb 12 03:08
roved2101sebsebseb your talking not me lolFeb 12 03:08
roved2101lol @ sebsebsebFeb 12 03:09
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: oh you used the link I gaveFeb 12 03:09
Jose_Xmaybe the reaper of older software is coming after you, but newer stuff always could use more tractionFeb 12 03:09
Jose_Xalso, they can go aggressive with some customers (eg, where office is mandated) and not with others.Feb 12 03:09
_goblinJose_X: I think the days of "let them get addicted we'll work out how to get a return later" are long gone... Microsoft needs revenue now....Feb 12 03:09
Jose_X_goblin, i will again respectfully disagree that those days are over across the board.Feb 12 03:10
Jose_Xat worst microsoft could bring back the old dog days of summer special... blah blahFeb 12 03:10
DaemonFCUbuntu is needlessly exposing ATI owners to 1. Really bad performance that isn't as bad with the latest driver, 2. Security issues that have been fixed, 3. Crashers that have since been fixed, and none of it is necessary and reflects poorly on Ubuntu itself when X locks up :)Feb 12 03:10
_goblinJose_X: You might be right though, but I think Microsoft if they do suffer loss of revenue to piracy they only have themselves to blame for being so flippant in the past.Feb 12 03:10
Jose_Xbut it helps grow their marketFeb 12 03:11
Jose_Xit's a useful tacticFeb 12 03:11
_goblintrueFeb 12 03:11
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well  make sure jono  knows or Ubuntu Developers or something I guessFeb 12 03:11
Ender2070mono is the devilFeb 12 03:11
Jose_X maybe they are toughening up where they feel they can get away with it but were lax in the pastFeb 12 03:11
_goblinhowever the same liberal attitude that was afforded XP does not seem to be the case for 7Feb 12 03:11
cubezzz2no mono on Zaurus :)Feb 12 03:11
Jose_Xi just don't see them changing that completely though it might be diminished to the extent they have alternative tools.Feb 12 03:11
Jose_Xanyway, with bill gates more to the side, they might change strategy more aggressivelyFeb 12 03:12
DaemonFCsebsebseb, I don't trust they'll do the right thing here, I won't trust Ubuntu to do the right thing until the open source drivers are adequate and they ship them as part of X.org and they are forced to not be stupidFeb 12 03:12
sebsebsebDaemonFC: they are being a bit stupid with this new me menu as wellFeb 12 03:12
sebsebsebDaemonFC: basically it's the thing on the top right even more editedFeb 12 03:13
DaemonFCsebsebseb, I just hsut it off, and indicator crapplet toFeb 12 03:13
DaemonFCrestore proper GNOME behaviorFeb 12 03:13
DaemonFC*shutFeb 12 03:13
sebsebsebDaemonFC: and it has a thing like what's in 9.10, that's linked to the me menu the social featuresFeb 12 03:13
sebsebsebyep that's what I ended up doing in 9.04Feb 12 03:13
sebsebsebjust removing the thing on top rightFeb 12 03:13
_goblinJose_X: very true although Ballmer did say last year (in relation to pirated Windows coming 2nd in the largest deployed OS - "they've got a hell of a product at a great price"....which suggests to me that until it suits them, Ballmer has just as much a flippant attitude.Feb 12 03:13
sebsebsebthen in 9.10 I do it yeahFeb 12 03:13
DaemonFCit's annoying, it just splits existing functionality into 2-3 places, and duplicates a lot of things that worked very well to begin withFeb 12 03:14
DaemonFCGNOME HIG is being seriously fucked around with by UbuntuFeb 12 03:14
Jose_X_goblin, if they focus on avoiding outright piracy ($0), they can still subsidize much more fine grainedFeb 12 03:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: as for proper Gnome behaviour  that's to not show the icons in the system menu anymore and part of places, and also remove the interface thingFeb 12 03:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: karmic  interface thing is there, alpha 2 nopeFeb 12 03:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: however gconf can be eited to turn the icons back onFeb 12 03:14
DaemonFCsebsebseb, When GNOME handles it, I'll use what GNOME gives me, Ubuntu's UI team are a bunch of drunken Irishmen out driving aroundFeb 12 03:15
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 03:15
cubezzz2I'd use a somewhat different phraseology :)Feb 12 03:15
cubezzz2"Windows is a product from Hell" :)Feb 12 03:15
_goblinsorry Jose_X its late I can't focus properly!!.......do you mean no piracy = reduction passed on to customer?Feb 12 03:15
sebsebsebUbuntu have good repos, except when you want later stuff. as for the distro itself they are starting to add stuff in, which is well junk for some of usFeb 12 03:15
DaemonFCTurning half the menu icons off pissed me offFeb 12 03:15
DaemonFCI flipped those back on in gconf-editorFeb 12 03:15
sebsebsebyep that's what I said can be doneFeb 12 03:16
_goblinI was very impressed with the software center in 9.10 as far as the family go its a great addition.....Feb 12 03:16
FurnaceBoyJose_X: I think that increasing desperation will bring back all the old pathological behaviours, even more so. They'll try anything.Feb 12 03:16
roved2101lol @ sebsebsebFeb 12 03:16
Jose_X_goblin, no, i meant originally outright piracy.. but the last thing said was that they could crack down on piracy more if they let other loopholes in there to capture those not willing to pay full price.Feb 12 03:16
FurnaceBoyJose_X: addict gets withdrawal without that huge fat pipe of cash.Feb 12 03:16
DaemonFCUbuntu UI is designed by drunken Irishmen is still my theoryFeb 12 03:16
DaemonFCyou have to go out of your way to make it sane againFeb 12 03:16
sebsebsebDaemonFC: also I thought Ubuntu was meant to be for familys and such,  well having these social features on by default in 10.04, isn't exactly for familiesFeb 12 03:16
_goblinah....Feb 12 03:16
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I mean young children for example aren't going to use that stuffFeb 12 03:16
sebsebsebUbuntu One and Music Store again stuff young children won't be usingFeb 12 03:17
_goblinsorry Jose_x im really tired, I was trying to keep up.....old age Im affraid.Feb 12 03:17
FurnaceBoyJose_X: yet, outright piracy. it's a win. this is well established. we'll know microsoft is dead when ppl stop pirating it in favour of free software.Feb 12 03:17
Jose_Xmonopoly pricing suck up a lot of money from the economyFeb 12 03:17
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 12 03:17
Jose_X_goblin, i think you did keep up.Feb 12 03:17
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I got a little brother,  so  when I upgrade it to 10.04  I got some stuff to remove in his accountFeb 12 03:17
FurnaceBoyJose_X: it's an enabler for extortionFeb 12 03:17
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Yeah, I may get stuck with Ubuntu though if I buy a netbook for my mom, she wants one and I think I've scared her away from Windows sufficientlyFeb 12 03:17
Jose_Xi changed at the end.. blame me.Feb 12 03:17
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/boycott-novell-milestone-9000/Feb 12 03:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Post #9,000 Reached | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 80.55 KBFeb 12 03:17
DaemonFCnow I have to find a Linux that works sanelyFeb 12 03:17
_goblinas I said earlier Im on teething duty so Ill be up a little longer.Feb 12 03:18
DaemonFCmom has never used a PC beforeFeb 12 03:18
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well there's Mandriva which roved2101  really likesFeb 12 03:18
schestowitzIf we asked readers to help sustain us financially (the very minimum), will our reader help us like they did Wikileaks?Feb 12 03:18
DaemonFCI want something that she can sit down and use without calling me every 20 minutes asking me how to do stuffFeb 12 03:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: I woudn't donate anything, since I don't read most of your stuff,  however this IRC channel is rather niceFeb 12 03:18
DaemonFCshe might end up anyway, but I want to minimize the learning curve at leastFeb 12 03:19
schestowitzJose_X: hiFeb 12 03:19
roved2101sebsebseb: if you dont work you dont eatFeb 12 03:19
_goblinsebsebseb: Not very diplomatic!!!...."i don't read much of your stuff".....maybe....."I only have interest in this chat room"?Feb 12 03:20
sebsebsebroved2101: not true, benefits for exampleFeb 12 03:20
DaemonFCcause she was on the phone about ready to order some horribly overpriced thing from QVC with Windows 7: Crippleware Edition on itFeb 12 03:20
DaemonFCand I managed to stop herFeb 12 03:20
sebsebseb_goblin: he has a nice websiteFeb 12 03:20
_goblin:)Feb 12 03:20
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ughFeb 12 03:21
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: that's his middle name !!Feb 12 03:21
DaemonFCmeh, sometimes you can get a good deal from QVC, sometimes notFeb 12 03:21
FurnaceBoy_goblin: well, it's all tinfoil hat, aliens in the hills type stuff ... *ducks*Feb 12 03:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: lolFeb 12 03:21
DaemonFCthe salespeople lie about what they're selling frequently thoughFeb 12 03:21
DaemonFCthey were really going out of their way to not mention the things Windows 7: Crippleware can't doFeb 12 03:22
_goblinRoy, my opinion is that it would be great for people to help maintain with a donation.  I certainly think if we agree or not, the work put into the posts is great.  The only worry I would have is that it would be used to cheapen your view.....Feb 12 03:22
schestowitz_goblin: is Pinta a hobby?Feb 12 03:22
FurnaceBoycheapen? then he only has to put his rates up...Feb 12 03:22
schestowitzOr paid for by Novell?Feb 12 03:22
_goblinschestowitz: Its cleverly worded.....Feb 12 03:22
_goblinschestowitz: he's a full time open source hacker for NovellFeb 12 03:23
schestowitzThat's it?Feb 12 03:23
schestowitzI read the siteFeb 12 03:23
schestowitzThey have others like thatFeb 12 03:23
_goblin" I work on Mono, specifically on Mono Tools for Visual Studio."Feb 12 03:23
schestowitzIs it fair to say they fund it then?Feb 12 03:23
Jose_Xschestowitz, what is the biggest cost sink?Feb 12 03:23
_goblinmmm....encourage?Feb 12 03:24
_goblinnot fund....Feb 12 03:24
schestowitzSandy would insist that Tomboy is "just a hobby"Feb 12 03:24
_goblinor it could be fund....Feb 12 03:24
_goblinwe just don't know....Feb 12 03:24
schestowitzJose_X: flushing yr dollaz down the toilet :0-)Feb 12 03:24
FurnaceBoyJose_X: timeFeb 12 03:24
_goblinI think though its a simple case of Novell having to try and develop the killer app in order to have a "selling point" for Mono.....Feb 12 03:24
roved2101lol @ sebsebsebFeb 12 03:24
sebsebsebroved2101: re join there :DFeb 12 03:25
FurnaceBoyJose_X: hosting/infrastructure costs nothing compared to the cost of time/attentionFeb 12 03:25
roved2101where sebsebseb?Feb 12 03:25
_goblinSchestowitz:Feb 12 03:25
_goblin"Feb 12 03:25
_goblinOver the holiday break, I stumbled upon this article from OSNews stating that there was a need for something like Paint.NET for Gtk. Having some experience with porting Paint.NET to Mono Winforms before, I knew that that was a massive task. But it still got me curious about Cairo and creating a layered canvas, since I had never played with Cairo or Gtk.Feb 12 03:25
_goblinAfter playing around for a few hours, I actually had a working paintbrush and canvas. Intrigued by my success, I played around with it for a few more days. By the end of the week I had a nifty little paint program with a few features. Now, a month later, it's time to open my little project up to the world: Pinta.Feb 12 03:25
_goblin"Feb 12 03:25
_goblinmmmFeb 12 03:25
FurnaceBoytypical hacker without politics.Feb 12 03:26
jweyrichola :)Feb 12 03:26
_goblinholiday break?????? stumbled upon a need?Feb 12 03:26
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: hahahaFeb 12 03:26
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: chamei o diaboFeb 12 03:26
jweyrichwhat am I missing?Feb 12 03:26
_goblinif there was such a need as a Novell and Mono dev he should have been well aware of it.Feb 12 03:26
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: falei *Feb 12 03:26
jweyrichlolFeb 12 03:26
_goblinits a little like saying:Feb 12 03:26
jweyrichjust read.Feb 12 03:26
_goblinDuring the holiday break Bill Gates stumbled upon Ubuntu.Feb 12 03:27
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: just to be clear, it was as coincidence lolFeb 12 03:27
Jose_XFurnaceBoy, well, that's what i'd think in general but wasn't thinking of it in terms of "donations"Feb 12 03:27
FurnaceBoy_goblin: some of his memos read like that. for example, the one after apple launched iTunes Feb 12 03:27
FurnaceBoyJose_X: donations will never cover such costs , I know from experience :)Feb 12 03:27
_goblinQuote "After playing around for a few hours" - theres the Mono advert....hey kids you too can create great stuff with little work!Feb 12 03:27
FurnaceBoyJose_X: maybe 1/100thFeb 12 03:27
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: read the guardian article on brazilian portuguese, just tweeted.Feb 12 03:28
_goblinQuote " By the end of the week I had a nifty little paint program with a few features" - Clever this, downplay your project to make it sound easy...understate it....good Mono advertising there....Feb 12 03:28
DaemonFCschestowitz, my internet was down all yesterday, this time Comcrap gave me some reparations Feb 12 03:29
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: did you read this? http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2010/microsoft-and-creative-destruction/Feb 12 03:29
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_goblinQuote "Now, a month later, it's time to open my little project up to the world" - Yep and you can code your own GTA in 2....."great simple Mono, everyone can be a coder!"Feb 12 03:29
DaemonFCa free on demand movie coupon, woohooFeb 12 03:29
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: will do.Feb 12 03:29
Jose_X_goblin: donation transactions can be all made public including dates. transparency is customer friendly.Feb 12 03:29
_goblinschestowitz: In my opinion a very clever piece of text......Feb 12 03:30
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: a bunch of people said to me, "wow, this described my experience at org X"Feb 12 03:30
FurnaceBoy_goblin: good analysisFeb 12 03:30
_goblinI do this for a living....in a verbal capacity that is.Feb 12 03:30
_goblinand not in relation to ITFeb 12 03:30
*FurnaceBoy is an ex-copywriterFeb 12 03:31
Jose_Xroy might suggest that all donations be anonymously donated. not sure if that is realisticFeb 12 03:31
Jose_Xpoint is that if you know who donated, it will affect your attitude some.Feb 12 03:31
DaemonFChttp://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=92Feb 12 03:31
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DaemonFCopinions?Feb 12 03:31
_goblinI think its a good idea.....Ive certainly enjoyed coming to the chat room and reading the site...its probably the best way I can support.Feb 12 03:31
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FurnaceBoyJose_X: openbsd has a strong donation theme, they have a public roll of donorsFeb 12 03:32
FurnaceBoyJose_X: democratic too, i think they treat large and small the sameFeb 12 03:32
Jose_XFurnaceBoy, never knew.. how does that work?Feb 12 03:32
schestowitz_goblin: yes, that helpsFeb 12 03:33
FurnaceBoyJose_X: check http://openbsd.orgFeb 12 03:33
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schestowitzI asked around and it seems like donations rarely workFeb 12 03:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's small potatoesFeb 12 03:33
schestowitzI asked Groklaw and PhoronixFeb 12 03:33
DaemonFCDARPA used to fund OpenBSD until Theo de Raadt started openly criticizing the invasion of IraqFeb 12 03:33
DaemonFCthen there went the fundingFeb 12 03:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I get 1 donation per 2000 downloads of a popular productFeb 12 03:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: I think it might work for you, you got a strong fan club, or so it seemsFeb 12 03:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: :)Feb 12 03:33
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: interesting. the creativity thing is exactly the point which google does well. the 20% time invested in personal projects, are in fact, were the most products come from.Feb 12 03:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's goodFeb 12 03:33
DaemonFCthat they lost funding?Feb 12 03:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: makes me even more glad I arranged company money for opensshFeb 12 03:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yesFeb 12 03:34
DaemonFCwhy?Feb 12 03:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: somebody noticedFeb 12 03:34
DaemonFCjust keep your mouth shut. It's not like their using your program to drop bombsFeb 12 03:34
DaemonFCduhFeb 12 03:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: hehFeb 12 03:34
DaemonFConly hurt OpenBSDFeb 12 03:34
jweyrichs/were/whereFeb 12 03:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I've arranged large donations to opensshFeb 12 03:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and I like TheoFeb 12 03:35
DaemonFC*they'reFeb 12 03:35
DaemonFCI would have shut my mouth and taken the funding unless their funding was actually perverting or corrupting my workFeb 12 03:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: hm, nioFeb 12 03:36
FurnaceBoynoFeb 12 03:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: some issues you don't keep your mouth shut about.Feb 12 03:36
DaemonFCit's not like they're paying him to develop the next atomic bomb or somethingFeb 12 03:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: there are few more dire than that oneFeb 12 03:36
DaemonFCthere are no ethical problems with taking that moneyFeb 12 03:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I don't think there's any good reason for Theo to censor his opinions to hang on to DARPA funding.Feb 12 03:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's cynical and counterproductiveFeb 12 03:37
FurnaceBoyhe has many other sources of fundingFeb 12 03:37
DaemonFCI think he's a temperamental anti-social idiotFeb 12 03:37
DaemonFCthat's my assessment of himFeb 12 03:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: then you've never met him.Feb 12 03:37
FurnaceBoyI have. He's a good bloke.Feb 12 03:37
FurnaceBoythat's the alpha and omega.Feb 12 03:37
DaemonFCdoesn't Linux get some DARPA funds?Feb 12 03:38
FurnaceBoyit's used all through the militaryFeb 12 03:38
DaemonFCIs Torvalds making an ass out of himself just to lose the funds and make a stink out of it?Feb 12 03:38
FurnaceBoybecause it's the best tool for many jobsFeb 12 03:38
Jose_XDaemonFC, you may feel fine about taking their money, but if you self-censor yourself, then it is having an effect.. which is something you might not want to do.Feb 12 03:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: wrongFeb 12 03:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Linux != TorvaldsFeb 12 03:38
Jose_Xlose some, win some others.Feb 12 03:38
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the US military uses linux all over the place, and any rational engineer in other militaries would too.Feb 12 03:38
DaemonFCJose_X, The first mistake is thinking your opinion is worth losing $300,000 a yearFeb 12 03:39
DaemonFCpeople censor themselves for far less than thatFeb 12 03:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: LOL!Feb 12 03:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: maybe your opinions aren't worth that much.Feb 12 03:39
DaemonFChis input will not change the worldFeb 12 03:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you know that many people made sacrifices to protest that invasion.Feb 12 03:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: much larger than openbsd'sFeb 12 03:39
DaemonFCit will not be duly notedFeb 12 03:39
DaemonFCit will make people think he's an arrogant assFeb 12 03:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: LOL!Feb 12 03:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no, a principled personFeb 12 03:40
DaemonFCand he did lose $300,000Feb 12 03:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: so what?Feb 12 03:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: news flash: MOney isn't everything.Feb 12 03:40
DaemonFCok, if his principles which don't matter is worth inflicting financial harm on a project that does, oh wellFeb 12 03:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: eh?Feb 12 03:40
DaemonFCthere's Linux, there's other BSDsFeb 12 03:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: don't you have political opinions?Feb 12 03:40
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, None that I think will move the worldFeb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the iraq invasion was abhorrent. more power to Theo.Feb 12 03:41
DaemonFCI'd sit on them for $300,000 in grantsFeb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that makes you ... well, what exactly?Feb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: a sellout.Feb 12 03:41
DaemonFCa pragmatistFeb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: a hypocriteFeb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: follow the moneyFeb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: profit is the only virtuous aimFeb 12 03:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i hear this from your countrymen frequentlyFeb 12 03:42
DaemonFCif I was getting $300,000 a year in grants from DARPA, my first commandment would be "Thou shalt not piss off DARPA and lose their checkbook."Feb 12 03:42
DaemonFChe's a moron for doing soFeb 12 03:42
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: fuck the iraqisFeb 12 03:42
DaemonFCnot at allFeb 12 03:42
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: some of us felt the war was worth protestingFeb 12 03:42
DaemonFCif turning down the money would mean saving one innocent life, I would tell them to go to hellFeb 12 03:43
DaemonFCbut his opinion changes nothingFeb 12 03:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what did you do to stop the invasion?Feb 12 03:43
DaemonFCthe money greatly benefits OpenBSDFeb 12 03:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: (your grandchildren might ask you, have something prepared)Feb 12 03:43
Jose_Xpeople die for freedom. if you really want to open your mouth and you make such a sacrifice you can feel really good.Feb 12 03:43
FurnaceBoyJose_X: they die every minuteFeb 12 03:43
FurnaceBoyJose_X: but not DaemonFCFeb 12 03:43
FurnaceBoyJose_X: he wants his HBOFeb 12 03:43
DaemonFCwent to the UN and told them not to listen to the black guy holding the model anthrax vial and talking about uraniumFeb 12 03:43
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 03:43
DaemonFCthat's what *I* didFeb 12 03:44
DaemonFCand that stopped the invasionFeb 12 03:44
DaemonFCsinglehandedlyFeb 12 03:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i dont think you understand how this worksFeb 12 03:44
*FurnaceBoy goes and does something more usefulFeb 12 03:44
Jose_XDaemonFC it's an individual sacrifice.. like much foss is for many people.. like bn is for roy .. etc.Feb 12 03:44
Jose_Xno one asks that you feel the same, but "moron"?Feb 12 03:45
DaemonFCI don't think you do, I think Theo de Raadt's masturbatory opinions succeeded, in crippling OpenBSD development by an assload of money per year :)Feb 12 03:45
DaemonFCthat's what I thinkFeb 12 03:45
schestowitzJose_X: exactlyFeb 12 03:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: principles are alien to youFeb 12 03:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's very hard to talk to yanks about principles.Feb 12 03:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: money blinds them every timeFeb 12 03:45
schestowitzMoney is a religionFeb 12 03:45
Jose_XFurnaceBoy, DaemonFC is trying to be practical and looking at those affected besides TheoFeb 12 03:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that is why Theo is the backbone of OpenBSD. Because he has to-the-bone, to-the-grave principlesFeb 12 03:46
DaemonFCI'm pragmatic, I say "What will pissing off my employer do to me?" "What does telling that policeman he's a fucktwit inbred jackass get me?"Feb 12 03:46
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM2HsdkvXU&feature=channelFeb 12 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: DARPA isn't his employer.Feb 12 03:46
DaemonFCnothing, but I'll feel so much better unemployed and in prisonFeb 12 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: his principles are bigger than DARPA.Feb 12 03:46
DaemonFCbecause I have principles Feb 12 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you have none. you would do anything for money.Feb 12 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you just proved itFeb 12 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: good luck w/ that.Feb 12 03:46
Jose_Xone problem may have been theo's approach.. maybe that could have used work.Feb 12 03:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's really hilarious that you'd say this about a *BSD* licensor.Feb 12 03:47
DaemonFChe's a jackass, that's why they tossed him out of FreeBSD developmentFeb 12 03:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you mean NetBSD.Feb 12 03:47
DaemonFChe's abrasive and egotisticalFeb 12 03:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and you are showing your ignorance of that exchange.Feb 12 03:47
DaemonFCyeah, that's what I meanFeb 12 03:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Theo came out looking better than his ex-colleagues.Feb 12 03:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but you wouldn't know that, because you 've never studied the incident.Feb 12 03:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you only go by "what ppl say about Theo"Feb 12 03:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: go meet himFeb 12 03:48
DaemonFCwell, you don't solve anything by being brutishly combative for no possible gainFeb 12 03:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: he'll even have a beer with you.Feb 12 03:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: go read the transcriptsFeb 12 03:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: before discussing Feb 12 03:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you can disregard 99% of what ppl say about Theo because they're merely repeating "received wisdom".Feb 12 03:49
DaemonFCBefore doing something that could put you in a world of hurt, ask "What good could this possibly do for anyone?" and the world will be a better placeFeb 12 03:49
Jose_X"combative for no possible gain". the gain might be by himself and might be what helps drive him.Feb 12 03:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: you have used the  virus link I gave in one of your blog enteriesFeb 12 03:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: did Bush.Cheney do that before killing a million people?Feb 12 03:49
DaemonFCRisk High. Reward None. = Don't do itFeb 12 03:49
Jose_Xadditionally, sacrifices people make don't always have an impact on others in the near term but they can and in silence.Feb 12 03:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's very hard to talk to yanks about principles.Feb 12 03:50
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, They got away from that with plentyFeb 12 03:50
_goblinright....Feb 12 03:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: your culture says "money trumps any moral position"Feb 12 03:50
_goblinim off to bed....Feb 12 03:50
_goblinfinallyFeb 12 03:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: money even corrupts your CHristiansFeb 12 03:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: no both linksFeb 12 03:50
Jose_X300K is useful to spend... to try and fix your conscience? shrinks are expensive.. if you would have trouble swallowing something, 300K would not do.Feb 12 03:50
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The Christians are already corrupt, with or without moneyFeb 12 03:50
Jose_Xit's a personal thingFeb 12 03:50
DaemonFClust for money just makes them worseFeb 12 03:50
Jose_Xwould not call him a moron just on that.Feb 12 03:50
Jose_XDaemonFC...Feb 12 03:50
FurnaceBoyJose_X: give up :)Feb 12 03:51
FurnaceBoyJose_X: as a friend would say, "transmitter's fine, receiver's borkedFeb 12 03:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: screenshot of hardy scanning viruse's?  why since it's meant to be  doing a network, and business are most likely to be using LTS?Feb 12 03:51
_goblinor......Feb 12 03:51
_goblinwarp engines fine, no innertial dampersFeb 12 03:51
_goblinor......Feb 12 03:52
_goblinim off to bed, goodnight!Feb 12 03:52
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FurnaceBoyniteFeb 12 03:52
DaemonFCChristians = Manipulative sadists that are sexually excited by dominating and hurting and killing innocent people, and money helps them achieve this by raising armies or corrupting politicians, and living lives of undeserved luxury at the direct expense of their plebeian followers.Feb 12 03:52
DaemonFCThat's my take.Feb 12 03:52
Jose_XDaemonFC, that may cover a segment of christians but certainly not all.. poverty is considered a virtue in many places in the new testement.Feb 12 03:53
DaemonFCJose_X, Right after you give your "tithe" money, you'll be in poverty.Feb 12 03:53
Jose_Xwhen you see a christian make a claim, see what he quotes from the bible. you will amost surely find other passages in the bible to contradict that.Feb 12 03:53
DaemonFCthat's blessedFeb 12 03:53
DaemonFCheheFeb 12 03:53
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Jose_XDaemonFC, those that follow gain some from a monetary sacrifice.. those accepting are much more likely to be tempted...Feb 12 03:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell #Microsoft and the Funding of #Pinta ’s ( #Mono ) Developer http://ur1.ca/m4tb #patent #dotnet #trojanFeb 12 03:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Novell/Microsoft and the Funding of Pintas (Mono) Developer | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.78 KBFeb 12 03:54
Jose_Xthat's a rule beyond christiandom.Feb 12 03:54
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder#Proposed_DSM_III-R_criteria_.E2.80.9Cneeding_further_study.E2.80.9DFeb 12 03:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sadistic personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 45.03 KBFeb 12 03:55
DaemonFCJose_X, That's what I mean when I say they are sadistsFeb 12 03:55
schestowitz[03:49] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: you have used the  virus link I gave in one of your blog enteriesFeb 12 03:55
FurnaceBoyJose_X: I suspect your seed is falling on stony ground in DaemonFC's caseFeb 12 03:55
schestowitzysFeb 12 03:55
schestowitzyesFeb 12 03:55
schestowitz[03:51] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: screenshot of hardy scanning viruse's?  why since it's meant to be  doing a network, and business are most likely to be using LTS?Feb 12 03:56
Jose_XDaemonFC, i come from a christian background and some of the views you will see (accross factions or across individuals) are like night and day.. unfortunately, the bible and other sources can be used to justify almost everything.Feb 12 03:56
schestowitzCopyleft from WikipediaFeb 12 03:56
schestowitzI wanted a Windows oneFeb 12 03:56
DaemonFC"# gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror)."Feb 12 03:56
DaemonFCthat's a big oneFeb 12 03:56
DaemonFCbible, Hell, mottivationFeb 12 03:56
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 03:56
DaemonFCand all four subtypes will be found in any churchFeb 12 03:57
DaemonFCthe tyrannical sadist is your typical pastor, the spineless sadist is most of the congregation (80%)Feb 12 03:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway that's good,  links I got on before you, that you then used :)Feb 12 03:58
DaemonFCthe enforcing and explosive are the terroristic types that make up the other 20% up to the severity of Christian Identity militiasFeb 12 03:58
Jose_XDaemonFC, there are many charitable organizations and individuals volunteer who leverage christianity.Feb 12 03:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: You hadn't been on already, before I gave out right?Feb 12 03:58
Jose_Xyou may say they are stupid, but those that were helped would likely disagree quite strongly.Feb 12 03:58
DaemonFCJose_X, Christian charity is about as genuine as the Bill and Melinda Gates FoundationFeb 12 03:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: as for Windows being used by the NHSFeb 12 03:59
FurnaceBoyJose_X: very true: "the bible and other sources can be used to justify" // including genocide, torture, apparently (!)Feb 12 03:59
sebsebsebI don't like thatFeb 12 03:59
DaemonFCit exists to corrupt civilization and spread their productFeb 12 03:59
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what are you doing about it?Feb 12 03:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: in fact Windows being used at all to store data about people, I don't really trust that, but what can we do?Feb 12 03:59
Jose_Xof course, people manage everything and people have problems .. in particular, power tends to attract people likely to abuse it (in the eyes of others).Feb 12 03:59
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: how about public owned data locked up in MS formatsFeb 12 03:59
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: your tax buying OOXML archivesFeb 12 03:59
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: well yes there is that as wellFeb 12 03:59
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: not all of us pay tax just yetFeb 12 04:00
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: a future... Microsoft boot stamping on a human face, forever.Feb 12 04:00
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, thanks!Feb 12 04:00
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that is Gates' dreamFeb 12 04:00
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Religion is such a pervasive developmental disorder of (especially) western society, that it's really hard to fix, avoid, or in some cases, even surviveFeb 12 04:00
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 04:00
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: s/religion/USA/Feb 12 04:00
sebsebsebschestowitz: sometimes you give credit to people :D   someone in our IRC gave these links...  doesn't really matter, but anyway :DFeb 12 04:01
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, How many backwards hatemongering spiteful ones do you have up in Canada?Feb 12 04:01
roved2101sebsebseb give me a kissFeb 12 04:01
schestowitzFurnaceBoy:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YOIImOoYMFurnaceBoy: Feb 12 04:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. .::. Size~: 2.09 KBFeb 12 04:01
schestowitzFurnaceBoy:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YOIImOoYMFeb 12 04:01
sebsebsebroved2101: stupid stuff can be done else where :)Feb 12 04:01
roved2101sebsebseb: calm down manFeb 12 04:02
DaemonFCThen there's this British National Party which is to the right of Attila the Hun from what I hearFeb 12 04:02
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 12 04:02
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: it's a joke really all the security issues for Windows the malware etc, there was even an article before on the BBC website about UK and US goverment computers becoming part of a bot net.  and  yet banks  and loads of companies use Windows hrmFeb 12 04:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: they replace "zi" with "tional"Feb 12 04:03
roved2101windows security is really not a priorityFeb 12 04:04
schestowitzgnFeb 12 04:04
roved2101there is a trillion dollar industry built around security flaws in windosFeb 12 04:04
sebsebsebroved2101: yeah exactlyFeb 12 04:04
sebsebsebit's a way for them to make a lot of moneyFeb 12 04:04
sebsebsebso  no one does it 100% properlyFeb 12 04:04
DaemonFCWindows is becoming more and more secure every day.* *(From you, not exploitative malware)Feb 12 04:04
sebsebseband open source projects such as clam win can only do so muchFeb 12 04:05
DaemonFCClamWin blowsFeb 12 04:05
roved2101DaemonFC yer only its missing the fly screenFeb 12 04:05
sebsebseband that project probably lacks developersFeb 12 04:05
DaemonFCyou have like a coin toss estimate that it catches anythingFeb 12 04:05
sebsebseband if it had more, it would be betterFeb 12 04:05
DaemonFCno, no realtime scan is just one of the many problemsFeb 12 04:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we haven't invaded anyone lately. see the difference?Feb 12 04:05
Jose_Xflaws are an important part of "encouraging" upgrades (making the old obsolete)Feb 12 04:05
DaemonFCit also is totally dependent on signatures, it has no heuristic engineFeb 12 04:06
roved2101lolFeb 12 04:06
DaemonFCwhich is why there's no false positives but such a shitty detection rate tooFeb 12 04:06
FurnaceBoyroved2101 | there is a trillion dollar industry built around security flaws in windos <--- it's called Microsoft :)Feb 12 04:06
Jose_Xholes also exist because they are useful.. eg, as a mechanism to access someone else's pc under the radarFeb 12 04:06
roved2101FurnaceBoy and their partnersFeb 12 04:06
Jose_Xbugs also create interop problems for competitors and lead customers to make large investments.. who wants to abandon large investments?Feb 12 04:06
DaemonFCroved2101, I wouldn't trust system security to ClamWin at this point. They say they have heuristics and realtime scanning in the works though.Feb 12 04:07
DaemonFCif that ever materializes then yes, maybe I would use themFeb 12 04:07
sebsebsebWindows can be run without the need for  anti anything programsFeb 12 04:07
sebsebsebjust  most people that use Windows don't know how to do thatFeb 12 04:07
DaemonFCyeah, if you want it to be pwned right awayFeb 12 04:08
sebsebsebnoFeb 12 04:08
sebsebsebyou can run limited accountFeb 12 04:08
sebsebseband Intenret apps in a sand box for exampleFeb 12 04:08
DaemonFClike that mattersFeb 12 04:08
FurnaceBoyroved2101: yep:)Feb 12 04:08
DaemonFCthere's so many ways to elevate without needing an administrator account, that a limited user is crippled where viruses aren'tFeb 12 04:08
sebsebsebanyway screw WindowsFeb 12 04:08
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 12 04:08
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: @ me I assume?Feb 12 04:09
FurnaceBoyyes!Feb 12 04:09
*FurnaceBoy hugs sebsebsebFeb 12 04:09
roved2101sebsebseb: you do sebsebseb you doFeb 12 04:09
DaemonFCWindows is such a bloated, messy, hacky mess that running it in any role is frighteningFeb 12 04:10
sebsebsebroved2101: ?Feb 12 04:10
Ender2070<DaemonFC> Windows is such a bloated, messy, hacky mess that running it in any role is frighteningFeb 12 04:10
Ender2070but you love itFeb 12 04:10
roved2101sebsebseb ^^Feb 12 04:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC: they have data about you, stored on Windows networksFeb 12 04:10
sebsebsebabout all of usFeb 12 04:10
sebsebsebnot just youFeb 12 04:10
roved2101they do sebsebseb they doFeb 12 04:11
sebsebsebDaemonFC: now that's worrying really, but what can we do, nothingFeb 12 04:11
DaemonFCrunning it on your own PC is scary, but the government stores their info about you on Windows PCsFeb 12 04:12
DaemonFCeverything from Windows 2000 onFeb 12 04:12
roved2101lolFeb 12 04:12
sebsebsebwell some goverments are going Linux moreFeb 12 04:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Linux powers #SGI's high-end #HPC #cloud initiative. http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/sgi_cyclone_hpc_cloud/ #altix #rhel #suseFeb 12 04:12
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DaemonFCif someone accesses the DMV, they can get a copy of my drivers license, my social security number, everythingFeb 12 04:12
roved2101DaemonFC and your endoscopy tooFeb 12 04:13
DaemonFCIndiana isn't, Microsoft everything on just about every systemFeb 12 04:13
sebsebsebDMV?  some American thing I guessFeb 12 04:13
DaemonFCDeparment of Motor VehiclesFeb 12 04:13
sebsebsebsame thing for the UKFeb 12 04:13
DaemonFC*DepartmentFeb 12 04:13
sebsebsebWindows on nearly every PCFeb 12 04:13
roved2101sebsebseb tooFeb 12 04:13
sebsebsebAussie land Windows on nearly every PC  plus  an added bonus that filter which roved2101 lovesFeb 12 04:13
roved2101windows is evilFeb 12 04:13
DaemonFChttp://www.in.gov/bmv/Feb 12 04:14
roved2101screw RuddFeb 12 04:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BMV: Home .::. Size~: 20.37 KBFeb 12 04:14
DaemonFCmake sure you get your new FascistIDFeb 12 04:14
roved2101awesomeFeb 12 04:14
DaemonFC:DFeb 12 04:14
roved2101NAZI are taking over the Parties worldwide, the US died long agoFeb 12 04:14
sebsebsebroved2101: this channel gets publically loggedFeb 12 04:16
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DaemonFCI don't have to get a NaziID until I renew my driver's license in April of 2012Feb 12 04:17
DaemonFC:PFeb 12 04:17
roved2101sebsebseb Im not afraidFeb 12 04:19
roved2101are you sebsebsebFeb 12 04:19
sebsebsebroved2101: noFeb 12 04:20
roved2101then dont worry manFeb 12 04:21
roved2101shesshhFeb 12 04:21
DaemonFCyou have to bring your birth certificate, social security card, and some kind of bill that came to your home, which is a nightmare for meFeb 12 04:21
sebsebsebI'm notFeb 12 04:21
sebsebsebjust sayingFeb 12 04:22
DaemonFCcause my landlord pays the utilities, I don't have a home phone, and my cable bill has the wrong address on itFeb 12 04:22
sebsebsebso you  maybe don't put something really stupid that goes in the logFeb 12 04:22
sebsebsebI know what your like :DFeb 12 04:22
roved2101DaemonFC they cant find ObamasFeb 12 04:22
roved2101lolFeb 12 04:22
sebsebsebroved2101: @ me I assumeFeb 12 04:22
roved2101no sebsebseb your paranoidFeb 12 04:23
sebsebsebmaybe about certain things, but not this channelFeb 12 04:23
DaemonFCroved2101, Last time I got my license updated I noticed they were all wearing brown shirts and part of their work uniformFeb 12 04:23
DaemonFCso I cracked a joke that the brown shirts really do run the DMVFeb 12 04:24
DaemonFCand the lady didn't get i, lolFeb 12 04:24
DaemonFCthe government always carries on the find tradition of hiring from the shallow end of the gene poolFeb 12 04:25
DaemonFC*fineFeb 12 04:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they make more reliable operativesFeb 12 04:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: independent thought is discouraged ;-)Feb 12 04:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: a sense of history is automatic disqualificationFeb 12 04:30
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, DHS are the brownshirts and the state DMVs are just one of their wings now ;)Feb 12 04:30
DaemonFCthat's what I was getting atFeb 12 04:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: AS THE MAYANS PREDICTEDFeb 12 04:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes i knowFeb 12 04:30
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, At least FascistID cards look neater than the old drivers licensesFeb 12 04:31
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 04:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Aero!Feb 12 04:31
DaemonFCPapers please! Ohhhhhh pretty!Feb 12 04:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: DX11!Feb 12 04:31
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Old driver's license: http://www.thesapps.com/Doug/wallet/added_02_01_18/indiana_license.jpgFeb 12 04:32
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DaemonFChttp://media.govtech.net/Digital_Publications_Art/New_Indiana_DL.jpgFeb 12 04:32
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DaemonFCFascistIDFeb 12 04:32
FurnaceBoythey both look like crap.Feb 12 04:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: show us your organ donor card !Feb 12 04:33
*FurnaceBoy ducksFeb 12 04:33
DaemonFCWho wants me to donate my organ? :DFeb 12 04:34
FurnaceBoyParis HiltonFeb 12 04:34
DaemonFCewwwwwFeb 12 04:34
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 12 04:34
FurnaceBoy+1 to thatFeb 12 04:34
DaemonFCI don't have that on my licenseFeb 12 04:35
DaemonFCI also don't have my social security number on itFeb 12 04:35
DaemonFCohhh, identity theft AND I get to be suicided so that rich people can carve me up for organs!!!Feb 12 04:35
DaemonFCsweet!!!!Feb 12 04:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I think Paris Hilton has been unjustly passed over as the person who will bring balance and sanity to the American state. #gop #bizarroworldFeb 12 04:36
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I hope I'm a perfect match for some rich asshole that gets to die because my organs are all in my body, rotting with meFeb 12 04:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @achitnis: The TOI "apology" to @KalyanVarma is worded to sound like it was a commercial dispute, not the deliberate CC license violationFeb 12 04:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: RT @KalyanVarma: ToI has apologised on their front page today http://bit.ly/cImSeF Thanks everyone for RT'ing, highlighting thisFeb 12 04:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@bananza I'd name my kids Arial, Verdana, Georgia, and Garamond // what about Joanna, Electra, Jenson, Juliana, & Bembo? #typographyFeb 12 04:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yeah I've heard you say that before :)Feb 12 04:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's why I duckedFeb 12 04:43
DaemonFChttp://www.phoenix.edu/courses/pos/pos355.htmlFeb 12 04:47
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DaemonFCthis is pitifulFeb 12 04:47
FurnaceBoyouchFeb 12 04:48
FurnaceBoyfor once, i strongly agree with youFeb 12 04:48
*FurnaceBoy feels kinda dirtyFeb 12 04:48
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, You have to take SIX credit hours of .NetFeb 12 04:48
DaemonFClolFeb 12 04:48
FurnaceBoyjeepersFeb 12 04:48
DaemonFChttp://www.phoenix.edu/programs/degree-programs/technology/bachelors/bsit-se/v006.htmlFeb 12 04:48
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FurnaceBoythis is why the US is leading the worldFeb 12 04:49
DaemonFCpasses you through with only some vague idea of what Linux is and then the other 99% of the course is .Net and WindowsFeb 12 04:49
FurnaceBoysomebody got a nice kickbackFeb 12 04:49
DaemonFCI'm certainFeb 12 04:50
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I saw a TV commercial for them and it piqued my interestFeb 12 04:50
FurnaceBoyeither that, or they are terminally ignorantFeb 12 04:50
FurnaceBoylike, "i can barely remember to breathe" ignorantFeb 12 04:51
DaemonFCI'm not going to pay to go through 6 hours of .Net bullshit at like $80 per credit hourFeb 12 04:51
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 04:51
DaemonFCfuck thatFeb 12 04:51
FurnaceBoywell, you could be paid to do it, you confessed above.Feb 12 04:51
FurnaceBoyyou'd do it for $300KFeb 12 04:51
FurnaceBoyyou'd probably whack your own mom for $300KFeb 12 04:51
DaemonFCI might hold my nose and do it if someone else paid for the entire courseFeb 12 04:51
FurnaceBoylike your employer?Feb 12 04:51
FurnaceBoynow you're catching on.Feb 12 04:52
DaemonFCbuy out of my money? I'm not paying for a degree with this crap in itFeb 12 04:52
DaemonFC*butFeb 12 04:52
DaemonFCsites that run Windows and IIS and serve everything as ASPX tend to be slow, have a lot of server errors when you ask for a page, etc.Feb 12 04:53
DaemonFCwhy would anyone pay for Windows? It's not an investmentFeb 12 04:53
DaemonFCit's some mediocre crap that you have to retrain people on constantly that's just barely good enough to workFeb 12 04:54
FurnaceBoybut you do!Feb 12 04:55
DaemonFC"Define software quality assurance." = It's full of bugs, not even beta quality, just ship it and let them pay us for updates for years.Feb 12 04:56
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 04:56
DaemonFC"#  Identify software testing techniques." = It's leaks RAM until the system crashes, but it'll run long enough for us to complete the demo.Feb 12 04:57
DaemonFC"Identify software development trends." = Support it until we can make more money selling them the same thing 6 years from now and then kill it.Feb 12 04:58
DaemonFC"#  Examine alternative development methods." = Ones that don't involve building software that lasts which anyone can contribute to that don't make us money exclusively, those are bad.Feb 12 04:59
FurnaceBoythis to this bloody channel i got nothing much useful done this evening!Feb 12 04:59
FurnaceBoythanks to*Feb 12 05:00
jweyrichyou're addicted.Feb 12 05:00
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FurnaceBoyJose_X: ciaoFeb 12 05:00
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: :|Feb 12 05:01
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: preparando-se para o Carnaval?Feb 12 05:01
jweyrichI haven't done anything useful along all the day/night as well. but I'm procrastinating LOLFeb 12 05:01
FurnaceBoyyeah me tooFeb 12 05:01
*jweyrich hates carnavalFeb 12 05:02
FurnaceBoyhaahhaFeb 12 05:02
FurnaceBoywell preparing could mean many thingsFeb 12 05:02
FurnaceBoyit could mean buying sequined outfits..Feb 12 05:02
FurnaceBoysamba lessons...Feb 12 05:02
jweyrichyeah, I'm mentally prepared.Feb 12 05:02
FurnaceBoyor.. locking the doors and windowsFeb 12 05:02
DaemonFChmmm, Dell has Kubuntu Netbook Remix now B-)Feb 12 05:02
DaemonFCoh no, that's MoblinFeb 12 05:02
DaemonFCwhy are they using KDS wallpaper?Feb 12 05:03
FurnaceBoyjweyrich: whatever else, you and I can agree that it would be good to sit down for a caldinho and caipirinha at Manezinho :Feb 12 05:03
jweyrichgeez! you're resurrecting these memoriesFeb 12 05:03
FurnaceBoyyeahFeb 12 05:03
FurnaceBoyi know.. makes me sadFeb 12 05:03
jweyrichmanezinho was the one near to the office?Feb 12 05:03
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 12 05:04
DaemonFChmmmm. The Ubuntu netbooks at Dell have the same hardware apecs as the Windows one on QVC that my mom was trying to buy, and are $100 cheaperFeb 12 05:04
DaemonFClolFeb 12 05:04
jweyrichyeah, I remember a night we went thereFeb 12 05:04
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: fantasticFeb 12 05:04
jweyrichmars teaching french lolFeb 12 05:04
FurnaceBoyheheFeb 12 05:04
DaemonFCI may just redirect her to the Dell Mini with Ubuntu on itFeb 12 05:04
jweyrichDumbuntuFeb 12 05:05
DaemonFCsaves money, doesn't get hosed with malwareFeb 12 05:05
FurnaceBoywelp niteFeb 12 05:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hilton 2012! Paris offers core values to the American public: dignity, wisdom, judgment, sobriety, selflessness, & an aptitude for hard workFeb 12 05:22
cubezzz2googlebot is going nuts againFeb 12 05:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Don't hash secrets! http://benlog.com/articles/2008/06/19/dont-hash-secrets/ Hashes, salts, Hash-func Message Authentication Codes #cryptoFeb 12 05:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I did a great follow trade today! Out with a rude person and IN with the much more interesting and insightful @markmorford <-- #followfridayFeb 12 05:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://bit.ly/18wCf2 What You Need To Know About Secure Password Schemes // hope devs on my team read this :) #cryptoFeb 12 06:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tomcoates There are times when you watch old episodes of #Lost & you want to find the writer and punch them in the throat. // #bsg sameFeb 12 06:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: RT @deepakshenoy: Muthalik face blackening shows: If govt won't stop these bastards, people will take up arms. Now for the ShivFeb 12 06:18
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DaemonFCheheFeb 12 06:27
DaemonFCyou know......for geolocation getting pushed like crash cocaine, Ubuntu doesn't even use it themselves to figure out which storefront to send you toFeb 12 06:31
omar__Greetings all.Feb 12 06:56
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DaemonFCgreetingsFeb 12 06:57
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google #Buzz is weirdFeb 12 09:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Mouth for Hire #Forrester Research Becomes Even More Discreet http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/12/fraudster-research/Feb 12 09:11
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schestowitzhttp://www.mynitor.com/2010/02/07/15-remote-desktop-solutions-for-linux/Feb 12 09:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   15 Remote Desktop Solutions for Linux. .::. Size~: 50.27 KBFeb 12 09:27
schestowitzssh -XFeb 12 09:27
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/clonezilla/Feb 12 09:27
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Walmart dealed with the disaster of having lots of onhand for Dreamcast when Sega announced that it was discontinuing them, the result of that is that I got a Dreamcast for $50, a bunch of accessories real cheap, and have managed to get all 300+ games for itFeb 12 09:34
DaemonFCheheFeb 12 09:34
DaemonFCif they had shut up, Walmart would have sold every last unit for $199.99Feb 12 09:35
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/09/AR2010020903974.htmlFeb 12 09:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Al Kamen - Shelby's 'holds' are good enough for McConnell - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 92.23 KBFeb 12 09:36
schestowitz"Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) has taken massive incoming fire from Democrats for the past five days for exercising a traditional Senate prerogative. He's blocking about 70 administration nominees in order to try to get an Air Force tanker project -- and thousands of jobs -- for his state and to ensure funding for a counterterrorism center there. "Feb 12 09:36
DaemonFCand there's also the ability to easily run Linux on that thing and make it into a cheap internet kiosk :)Feb 12 09:36
schestowitzWill you?Feb 12 09:37
schestowitz[run Linux]Feb 12 09:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'd say that Obama should do 70 recess appointments if needs beFeb 12 09:37
DaemonFCthere's still enough Democrats in Congress to recess properly and give him his chance to do thatFeb 12 09:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's not hard, I have done it, it's basically just a stripped down Linux distro that's ported to the Hitachi Super-HFeb 12 09:38
DaemonFChttp://sektori.com/files/28/dreamcast_linux.jpgFeb 12 09:39
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DaemonFCthere's one running a bare X sessionFeb 12 09:39
DaemonFCthe problem is not using more than 16 MB of RAM, though it's possible to format a memory card as SWAPFeb 12 09:41
schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/open-source/96170/telling-linux-storyFeb 12 09:43
schestowitzHow long was comcastic does for?Feb 12 09:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Telling the Linux Story | ITworld .::. Size~: 87.88 KBFeb 12 09:43
schestowitz /does/down/Feb 12 09:43
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/10/u-georgia-official-a.htmlFeb 12 09:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: U Georgia official arrested for demanding bribes to make RIAA copyright notices go away Boing Boing .::. Size~: 52.32 KBFeb 12 09:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, from about 3 AM Wednesday to about 11 PMFeb 12 09:44
DaemonFCso effectively all day, I was lividFeb 12 09:44
schestowitzhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/blockbuster-files-for-bankruptcy-in-portugal-blames-internet-pi/Feb 12 09:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Blockbuster files for bankruptcy in Portugal, blames internet piracy -- Engadget .::. Size~: 206.17 KBFeb 12 09:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: holy c*Feb 12 09:45
schestowitzHow much in reparations?Feb 12 09:45
DaemonFCtwo free On Demand movie couponsFeb 12 09:45
schestowitzIn the past decade the most downtime I had was maybe 4 hoursFeb 12 09:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: so 'funny money'Feb 12 09:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, Comcast is certain to go down for a few hours at least once a month, that I've noticedFeb 12 09:45
schestowitzVirtual goodsFeb 12 09:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, One time that happened it was right before a holiday (Christmas) so they told me they'd be out the following MONDAYFeb 12 09:47
DaemonFCand then a bunch more people reported it and so they came out and fixed itFeb 12 09:47
DaemonFCanytime there's a thunderstorm or a bad snow/ice storm, you'd better just accept that your internet connection is going downFeb 12 09:47
DaemonFCand usually your TV too, I don't see how satellite could be much worse than thisFeb 12 09:48
DaemonFClmao "...hosted by the King of England, Tony Blair" -Nigel Bennet Feb 12 09:50
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.htmlFeb 12 09:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Feds push for tracking cell phones | Politics and Law - CNET News .::. Size~: 187.26 KBFeb 12 09:52
schestowitzAhFeb 12 09:52
schestowitzNow comes the "extend" phaseFeb 12 09:52
schestowitzUsing phones as tracking devicesFeb 12 09:53
schestowitzWho needs RFID, I guess?Feb 12 09:53
schestowitzThey already have many mechanisms for mapping peopleFeb 12 09:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, Do you have any idea what this "Can't read vesafb.ko: invalid argument" crap is all about?Feb 12 09:53
schestowitzwhere?Feb 12 09:53
DaemonFCprints it out just before X startsFeb 12 09:54
schestowitzback in 5 minutes...Feb 12 09:57
schestowitzbrbFeb 12 09:57
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schestowitzDaemonFC: which distro?Feb 12 10:07
DaemonFCUbuntuFeb 12 10:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, Intentionally bricking XP would not be surprisingFeb 12 10:20
DaemonFCMicrosoft has done this ever since IE introduced faulty common controls dlls into Windows 95 that leaked memoryFeb 12 10:20
DaemonFCthey want to make you uncomfortable if you don't go out and buy their new thingsFeb 12 10:21
DaemonFCWindows 95 starts crashing for no reason, might as well go buy Windows 98Feb 12 10:22
DaemonFCXP starts blue screening, throw that PC out and get a new oneFeb 12 10:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: intentional?Feb 12 10:29
schestowitzI doubt itFeb 12 10:29
schestowitzI suppose you heard about the new kill switchFeb 12 10:29
schestowitzIn Vista 7Feb 12 10:30
schestowitzhttp://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/genuinewindows/archive/2010/02/11/windows-activation-technologies-update-for-windows-7.aspx Feb 12 10:30
schestowitzHahaFeb 12 10:30
schestowitzPhone+kill, first 'voluntary', later mandatoryFeb 12 10:30
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100129/1527027979.shtmlFeb 12 10:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CBC Gets Two Stories About George Lucas Totally Mixed Up | Techdirt .::. Size~: 58.83 KBFeb 12 10:30
schestowitzThis is surreal http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/08/icelands-paper-of-re.htmlFeb 12 10:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Iceland's paper of record bans linking Boing Boing .::. Size~: 68.47 KBFeb 12 10:32
DaemonFC"70 known and potentially dangerous activation exploits." = 70 known cracks that benefit the user by not making them pay us $320Feb 12 10:32
DaemonFClolFeb 12 10:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, One thing that really disgusts me about their "Anytime Upgrade" program is that it doesn't just charge you the difference between what you have and what you want to have, it charges you the full retail upgrade price to the new version the same as if you had Vista or XPFeb 12 10:34
DaemonFCso nothing you already paid for the version you have now countsFeb 12 10:35
schestowitzhttp://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/02/09Feb 12 10:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Appeals Court Backs EFF Push for Telecom Lobbying Documents Disclosure | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 13.84 KBFeb 12 10:36
DaemonFCthis update won't even do anything, it may remove the crack for now and put you back into grace mode, but 2-3 days later there will be new cracksFeb 12 10:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: well, Microsoft doesn't know how to make money from WIndowsFeb 12 10:37
schestowitzIt knows how to force it upon peopleFeb 12 10:37
schestowitzLike many Web servicesFeb 12 10:37
DaemonFCand if you ever do get to the end of the 30 days, you can rearm 3 more times and get 90 moreFeb 12 10:37
schestowitzCharging is tricky to themFeb 12 10:37
schestowitzIf they charge they can drive away users in developing nations, for exampleFeb 12 10:37
schestowitzImagine if there was no other option (BSD and Linux)Feb 12 10:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, Then there's going to be a "fixed" service pack tooFeb 12 10:38
DaemonFCso they're not gaining any ground by turning off what's out thereFeb 12 10:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, My favorite was when they did WGA checks on IE and WMP like anyone uses or cares about thoseFeb 12 10:39
DaemonFC"When tampering, disabling, or missing licensing files are discovered, the WAT Update runs a check and repair weekly to ensure that the licensing files are properly repaired.", that's funnyFeb 12 10:41
DaemonFCthey don't put anything in Windows to stop and purge malware, just cracks that make Windows freeFeb 12 10:41
DaemonFChmmmm, Outland. that was a good movieFeb 12 10:44
schestowitzI don't watch many films these daysFeb 12 10:49
schestowitzFor a while in 2000 I was going to the cinema every day (theatre)Feb 12 10:49
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-wins-windows-xp-wga-lawsuit.arsFeb 12 10:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft wins Windows XP WGA lawsuit .::. Size~: 29.17 KBFeb 12 10:50
schestowitzThey should just quit WIndowsFeb 12 10:50
schestowitzBut Microsoft makes it close to impossible to avoid WindowsFeb 12 10:50
schestowitzBast*^H^H^HFeb 12 10:50
schestowitzryan, can you do videos? http://media-newswire.com/release_1112212.htmlFeb 12 10:50
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Ender2070http://lists.yoper.com/pipermail/yoper-announce/2010-February/000016.htmlFeb 12 10:51
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/10/2347257/Subversive-Groups-Must-Now-Register-In-South-CarolinaFeb 12 10:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot News Story | Subversive Groups Must Now Register In South Carolina .::. Size~: 173.74 KBFeb 12 10:51
Ender2070Yoper has KDE 4.4Feb 12 10:51
schestowitzDresden?Feb 12 10:51
DaemonFCvideos like?Feb 12 10:51
schestowitzSOmething tells me this release will blowFeb 12 10:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: mashupsFeb 12 10:52
Ender2070"For the most daring of you there is also a BFS enabled kernel available."Feb 12 10:52
Ender2070bam, BFS +1Feb 12 10:52
DaemonFCbrainfuck scheduler? :)Feb 12 10:52
DaemonFCsweeeetFeb 12 10:52
DaemonFCyeah, CFS has been quite a disappointmentFeb 12 10:53
schestowitzI heard good things from a friend about YoperFeb 12 10:53
schestowitzSome years ago in Ubuntu (7.04) the scheduler suckedFeb 12 10:53
schestowitzBig lockFeb 12 10:53
schestowitzBut now it's excellentFeb 12 10:53
schestowitzI think it's h/w-dependentFeb 12 10:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, I think at that point, they were using asFeb 12 10:53
DaemonFCnot for sure thoughFeb 12 10:53
schestowitz"as"?Feb 12 10:55
schestowitzas in big-ass scheduler?Feb 12 10:55
DaemonFCanticipatory scheduler, it was recently deletedFeb 12 10:55
Ender2070Fedora is still the best thoughFeb 12 10:56
Ender2070imoFeb 12 10:56
DaemonFCEnder2070, Phoronix test suite has repeatedly shown Fedora and Ubuntu at a stalemateFeb 12 10:58
DaemonFCUbuntu 10.04 LTS is not performing well yet thoughFeb 12 10:58
DaemonFCFedora Rawhide is kicking its ass :PFeb 12 10:59
zoobabhiFeb 12 11:00
DaemonFCEnder2070, do you have any idea what Warning: Can't read module (really long path to) vesafb.ko: invalid argument is all about?Feb 12 11:02
zoobabdoes someone has a good tool to convert a DVD to OGG?Feb 12 11:03
zoobabI tried Winff, but you have to select the VOB filesFeb 12 11:03
DaemonFCzoobab, VLC can do itFeb 12 11:04
DaemonFCHandbrake can do it fasterFeb 12 11:04
zoobabis Handbrake in debian?Feb 12 11:04
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DaemonFChttp://handbrake.fr/downloads.phpFeb 12 11:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HandBrake .::. Size~: 11.24 KBFeb 12 11:04
DaemonFCI usually use xvid thoughFeb 12 11:05
schestowitzhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/1735210/Anti-Piracy-Windows-7-Update-Phones-Home-Quarterly?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 "Update: 02/12 02:08 GMT by  KD : Corrected the Microsoft Knowledge Base number to include a leading 9 that had been omitted in the pre-announcement, per L. Weinstein."Feb 12 11:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Anti-Piracy Windows 7 Update Phones Home Quarterly .::. Size~: 184.43 KBFeb 12 11:05
DaemonFCplop the xvid on a CD and stuff it in the DVD player, it'll play (in mine anyway)Feb 12 11:05
DaemonFCor you can make one that's 4.4 GB and plop it on a DVD-R :)Feb 12 11:06
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zoobabnice software, I just discovered itFeb 12 11:06
DaemonFCMPEG-4 ASP is still outperforming Theora by a lotFeb 12 11:07
zoobabmp4 = patentsFeb 12 11:07
DaemonFCDIVX and XVID are exactly the same bitstream format, so anything stamped DIVX will play eitherFeb 12 11:07
zoobabdivx and xvid has also patent problemsFeb 12 11:07
DaemonFCI care?Feb 12 11:08
DaemonFCxvid works on my DVD player, Theora doesn'tFeb 12 11:08
DaemonFCend of debateFeb 12 11:08
DaemonFCxvid works on my MP3 players, Theora doesn'tFeb 12 11:08
DaemonFCend of debateFeb 12 11:08
zoobabmpeg2 is full of patents, hostile to free softwareFeb 12 11:09
zoobabend of debateFeb 12 11:09
DaemonFCfuck emFeb 12 11:09
DaemonFCI'm not payingFeb 12 11:09
DaemonFCbite meFeb 12 11:09
DaemonFCend of debate :)Feb 12 11:09
Diablo-D3mp4 is a containerFeb 12 11:09
Diablo-D3I think you mean mpeg4Feb 12 11:09
DaemonFCpatents for MPEG really only matter on the web as pertains to <video>Feb 12 11:10
DaemonFCcause there they can actually cause lots of harmFeb 12 11:10
EruaranLogin problem for Kubuntu users after updating to KDE SC 4.4 has been resolved in updatesFeb 12 11:10
DaemonFCTheora is more important with embedded videos on web pages than what an individual user makes their private video library withFeb 12 11:11
schestowitzhttp://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24802/Feb 12 11:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Technology Review: Blogs: TR Editors' blog: Google Acquires Social Search Engine Aardvark .::. Size~: 65.82 KBFeb 12 11:12
schestowitzGoogle is so innovative that it buys companiesFeb 12 11:12
schestowitzhttp://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/firefound-track-your-stolen-or-missing.htmlFeb 12 11:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FireFound- Track your stolen or missing computer through Firefox | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 91.29 KBFeb 12 11:12
EruaranI think I've heard of AardvarkFeb 12 11:12
Diablo-D3schestowitz: noFeb 12 11:13
Diablo-D3they bought ex googlersFeb 12 11:13
DaemonFCzoobab, I also won't use mkvFeb 12 11:13
cubezzz2what's wrong with mkv?Feb 12 11:17
DaemonFCmp4 is less overhead and is actually understood on hardware :)Feb 12 11:17
*cubezzz2 is now known as cubezzzFeb 12 11:17
DaemonFCI like things that are only complicated enough to do what I want them to doFeb 12 11:19
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DaemonFCthe Ogg container is actually pretty bloatedFeb 12 11:22
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DaemonFC15% or so of your Ogg Vorbis file is the container overheadFeb 12 11:22
DaemonFCif they had a minimal container that was really only meant for Vorbis and didn't have to stream, you could get the overhead down to 6-7% maybeFeb 12 11:24
DaemonFCtry putting FLAC in an Ogg container and the file gets bigger, you can stream them thoughFeb 12 11:24
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schestowitzzoobab: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2789&blogid=14Feb 12 11:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SAP Slouches Towards Bethlehem - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 79.99 KBFeb 12 11:29
schestowitzRead the part about swpatFeb 12 11:29
DaemonFCI'm opposed to the Ubuntu music store for two reasonsFeb 12 11:29
DaemonFC1. They'll be MP3Feb 12 11:29
DaemonFC2. They'll be MP3Feb 12 11:29
DaemonFCyou lose on two counts, they're non-free and they're lossy files at CD pricesFeb 12 11:30
DaemonFCIf I see them passing out FLAC files with no funny business, I might do business with them :)Feb 12 11:31
schestowitzzoobab: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/02/11/sap-as-a-case-study-for-open-source-engagement/Feb 12 11:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 451 CAOS Theory » SAP as a case study for open source engagement .::. Size~: 55.13 KBFeb 12 11:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, Jono still won't tell me what they're planningFeb 12 11:32
schestowitzHe doesn't dcideFeb 12 11:32
DaemonFCcan only make me suspicious that they're up to no goodFeb 12 11:32
schestowitzHe's a PR typeFeb 12 11:32
schestowitzTo them at leastFeb 12 11:32
schestowitzjono is to Canonical what the priesthood is to Brand ObamaFeb 12 11:33
DaemonFCwell, he needs to inform the public what they're up to or the public should (rightly) be distrustful and cynical of their motivesFeb 12 11:33
schestowitzHe makes phonecallsFeb 12 11:33
schestowitzTo goblin for exampleFeb 12 11:33
schestowitzmedationFeb 12 11:33
schestowitz*mediationFeb 12 11:33
DaemonFCwell, you can't beat an honest answer out of him, I guess I'll give up and see what utter shit they roll outFeb 12 11:34
DaemonFCprobably just another damned MP3 storeFeb 12 11:34
DaemonFCthat's really the last thing the world needsFeb 12 11:35
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DaemonFCthere's enough stores spewing out MP3s that you can already buy fromFeb 12 11:35
DaemonFCif I was interested in buying MP3 I would go to Amazon or 7digital or LaLa and buy some MP3Feb 12 11:36
DaemonFCI don't pay full price and get 1/5th qualityFeb 12 11:36
DaemonFCMP3 is just good enough to work on a portable, but I have some decent speakers where MP3 is just not cutting itFeb 12 11:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, MP3 fails particularly badly on string instrumentsFeb 12 11:38
DaemonFCthat's where you can really spot the MP3Feb 12 11:38
DaemonFCAmazon is selling like all these "99 best of Mozart" type deals, out of context, and in MP3Feb 12 11:39
DaemonFCpeople buy them cause it's $2 :PFeb 12 11:39
schestowitzINNOVA~1 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/first-look-at-buzz-much-potential-not-much-innovation-yet.arsFeb 12 11:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: First look at Buzz: much potential, not much innovation yet .::. Size~: 37.32 KBFeb 12 11:40
Ender2070http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/10/australian-farmers-told-dynamite-rabbits/?test=latestnewsFeb 12 11:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  FOXNews.com - Australian Farmers Told to Dynamite Rabbits .::. Size~: 106.42 KBFeb 12 11:59
Ender2070http://www.kcra.com/news/22530778/detail.htmlFeb 12 12:02
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zoobabSAP is lobbying the European Commission for UPLS/EUEPLAFeb 12 12:04
DaemonFCEnder2070, He's an ugly little spud :PFeb 12 12:05
DaemonFClooks like a botched ice cream robbery alrightFeb 12 12:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Devinder_Sharma: GM industry is howling in India because the moratorium on Bt brinjal has hit them where it hurts most.Feb 12 12:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Google fucks over the privacy of Gmail users who really need it http://is.gd/8e1xj #buzz #buzzfailFeb 12 12:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] attending anti-posco struggle solidarity meeting organised by people's solidarity concerns @ scm houseFeb 12 12:27
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_goblinmorning allFeb 12 12:31
schestowitzhttp://slashdot.jp/it/article.pl?sid=10/02/04/0957205Feb 12 12:33
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schestowitzI didn't know it has such domains.....Feb 12 12:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @floschie Let's try RD: @floeff: OpenOffice.org 3.2 available - http://ur1.ca/m5w9 - Your Office Suite of Choice for the Year 2010Feb 12 12:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A decision on the Enlarged Board of Appeal referral can be expected soon, even if the referral itself is rejected: http://i5.be/atdFeb 12 12:36
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schestowitz"Russia is in Europe" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument&diff=341683953&oldid=prev&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlanetODF+%28Planet+ODF%29Feb 12 12:38
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DaemonFCschestowitz, The computers classifieds on Craiglist are a hootFeb 12 12:39
DaemonFC"buy my broken PowerMac"Feb 12 12:39
DaemonFC"$100 emachine with XP, great for gamers"Feb 12 12:39
Omar87Hi all.Feb 12 12:40
DaemonFC2004 gaming computer - $600Feb 12 12:40
DaemonFClolFeb 12 12:40
Omar87schestowitz, ping.Feb 12 12:40
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DaemonFCFor Sale: My 10 year old garbage. Asking $500. Description: This is the perfect PC for gamers!!!!111111Feb 12 12:43
DaemonFCIncludes: 833 Mhz Celeron, 128 MB of SD RAM, 20 GB hard drive, Windows 98 SEFeb 12 12:43
DaemonFCVoodoo 2 1000 graphics card with 12 MB of dedicated onboard SD RAM!Feb 12 12:44
DaemonFCdon't let this opportunity pass you byFeb 12 12:44
_goblinhi Roy.Feb 12 12:46
_goblinJust had a little go of Glest.....Feb 12 12:46
DaemonFChttp://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1588652750.htmlFeb 12 12:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger ibook G3 12" Laptop M6497 .::. Size~: 4.45 KBFeb 12 12:46
_goblindecent program.Feb 12 12:46
DaemonFCwheee, a G3Feb 12 12:46
DaemonFCand I see Internet Explorer is includedFeb 12 12:47
DaemonFCwhat a bargain!Feb 12 12:47
Omar87Guys don you think FSF should start a campaign against M$'s Imagine Cuffs?Feb 12 12:47
Omar87I think it's important to spread the awareness against the scam called "ImagineCup".Feb 12 12:48
DaemonFCOmar87, You go after the 88 cent tacos, you get explosive diarrhea and heartburnFeb 12 12:48
DaemonFCfact of life, my friendFeb 12 12:48
Omar87DaemonFC, what?Feb 12 12:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid Hall of Shame : Indian Website which need IE and close standard http://post.ly/NTWvFeb 12 12:48
DaemonFCpeople go after no-name Windows PCs because they're advertised as the 88 cent tacosFeb 12 12:48
DaemonFCthey get everything you can expect out of a lowball systemFeb 12 12:49
DaemonFCcut rate hardware and an OS that is full of holes and slowFeb 12 12:49
Omar87DaemonFC, so what's the point you're point? :DFeb 12 12:50
DaemonFCthere's a reason the Mac dominates >$1000 marketFeb 12 12:50
DaemonFCOmar87, Microsoft dumps money into convincing people that they're the cheapest solutionFeb 12 12:50
DaemonFCall those I'm a PC commercialsFeb 12 12:50
DaemonFC"zomgwtfbbq!!! A Mac is $1200!?!?!?" "And I can get this shitty low res cut rate failure prone HP laptop with Vista for $800!!!"Feb 12 12:51
Omar87DaemonFC, I'm now talking about the filthy scam called "ImagineCup". Where young men simply sell their innovations to the convicted monopolist in return for a couple thousand bucks.Feb 12 12:51
Omar87DaemonFC, yeah, I agree.Feb 12 12:51
DaemonFCcompeting on price only tells you they're cheaper, not that they're any goodFeb 12 12:52
Omar87DaemonFC, that's the reason why they decided to let sell Windows in China for as low as $5 or so.Feb 12 12:52
DaemonFCOmar87, That's funny reallyFeb 12 12:52
DaemonFCanyone smart enough to have an idea yet stupid enough to sell it for a pittance?Feb 12 12:53
Omar87DaemonFC, true, but disgusting as well.Feb 12 12:53
DaemonFCMaybe they deserve to be robbed? :PFeb 12 12:53
Omar87DaemonFC, lolFeb 12 12:53
DaemonFCOmar87, The point is they still lose because nobody is willing to put up with Windows StarterFeb 12 12:54
MinceR134227 < Omar87> Guys don you think FSF should start a campaign against M$'s Imagine Cuffs?Feb 12 12:54
MinceRthat's potentially a great ideaFeb 12 12:54
DaemonFCthey're BEGGING you to torrent a better Windows version or just nuke it and install LinuxFeb 12 12:54
DaemonFCI doubt anyone uses StarterFeb 12 12:54
Omar87They are ignorants. So I guess it would be more humane to spread the awareness about the ImagineCuffs scam.Feb 12 12:55
DaemonFCMicrosoft only really wins if you buy an expensive Windows license and/or lots of crap like Office and programs from their "partners"Feb 12 12:55
Omar87DaemonFC, Exactly.Feb 12 12:55
DaemonFCif you get a Windows PC and use FOSS and freeware, Microsoft doesn't get that much of a saleFeb 12 12:55
MinceRbut i don't really know how ImagineCuffs workFeb 12 12:56
DaemonFCI doubt anyone would use that except starving inventors that see it as a way to eat tonightFeb 12 12:56
MinceRi got some spam mail about it and that's about allFeb 12 12:56
DaemonFCI'd hurry up and take out a patent in my own name and sue Microsoft for using my propertyFeb 12 12:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 12:57
DaemonFCget a lot more money that wayFeb 12 12:57
Omar87I am sure that most of these people are merely innocent young men looking for a chance to show off their innovative talents. Too bad Microsoft is very good at luring them into selling their talents to it without even noticing.Feb 12 12:57
DaemonFCsay I get a $10 million settlement, I take the money, and then I put my patent into the public domainFeb 12 12:57
DaemonFCeveryone wins :)Feb 12 12:57
Omar87DaemonFC, nice one! :DFeb 12 12:58
schestowitzOmar87: Vista 7 Sins includes a part about EDGI/dumpingFeb 12 12:58
Omar87Everyone wins except for MS, that is.Feb 12 12:58
schestowitzThe FSF's head had asked me for feedback before it went liveFeb 12 12:58
schestowitzBut it doesn't go deep enough into explosing the corruptionFeb 12 12:58
schestowitzMany people are repelled when crime is shown to themFeb 12 12:59
DaemonFCput a few million of my money out as seed funds for FOSS that opposes MicrosoftFeb 12 12:59
schestowitzIt doesn't convince them to be drawn in to the FSFFeb 12 12:59
DaemonFClive in comfort for the rest of my life :)Feb 12 12:59
schestowitzBN is more blunt about such things (crime)Feb 12 12:59
Omar87schestowitz, True. But now I'm talking about ImagineCuff. I think it's very important to try to open as many minds about it as we possibly can.Feb 12 12:59
schestowitzOmar87: BTWFeb 12 12:59
schestowitzI used the term ImagineCuff the other dayFeb 12 12:59
Omar87schestowitz, I know. I've read that.Feb 12 13:00
schestowitz"Georgia Tech this month, under the “Imagine Cuffs” [sic] "Feb 12 13:00
DaemonFCIf I had some millions to invest in FOSS, I'd probably pour it into DebianFeb 12 13:00
DaemonFCthey're probably the least corrupt big FOSS project at the momentFeb 12 13:00
schestowitzOmar87: maybe I'll start a wiki pages about it when we gather enough examplesFeb 12 13:00
Omar87schestowitz, that would be great.Feb 12 13:01
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-31-005-35-NW-DPFeb 12 13:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - Denmark ditches Microsoft OOXML and goes with ODF .::. Size~: 82.72 KBFeb 12 13:01
DaemonFCI still don't think Mono is in the default Debian installFeb 12 13:01
Omar87schestowitz, I think also the FSF should shed enough light at it as well.Feb 12 13:01
schestowitzHere's how you can also helpFeb 12 13:01
schestowitzgoogle-search the site for a topic like "UAE" and "Jordan"Feb 12 13:01
schestowitzGather the links and title in Wiki styleFeb 12 13:02
schestowitzLike "* [URL TITLE]Feb 12 13:02
schestowitzThen send it to make to make a wiki page that acts like a channel/tagFeb 12 13:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] London bus maps on a web page! http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaround/maps/buses/?q=N73 (spotted by pir)Feb 12 13:02
Omar87schestowitz, I think I might very well try to build a Wiki with MoinMoin about it soon.Feb 12 13:02
schestowitzThen I maintain it every time something matches thatFeb 12 13:02
schestowitzOmar87: you can put that in your wiki tooFeb 12 13:03
schestowitzCreative CommonsFeb 12 13:03
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schestowitzYou can do if for your own and put a copy in BNFeb 12 13:03
Omar87schestowitz, sorry, but I didn't get the "google-search" part. Can you explain further please?Feb 12 13:03
schestowitzPages like this one help people: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/EDGIFeb 12 13:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: EDGI - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 14.85 KBFeb 12 13:04
schestowitzFor someone who's new to EDGI this page can helpFeb 12 13:04
schestowitzOmar87: like this: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+jordan&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBFeb 12 13:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: site:boycottnovell.com jordan - Google Search .::. Size~: 25.67 KBFeb 12 13:04
schestowitzThat's a decent and fast way to find all the posts matching some theme/topicFeb 12 13:04
schestowitzThen open them all in tabs and make a list of *[URL post_title]Feb 12 13:05
Omar87schestowitz, Thanks a lorFeb 12 13:05
Omar87lot*Feb 12 13:05
Omar87brbFeb 12 13:05
schestowitzOmar87: EDGI Finale: Microsoft’s “Linux Compete Squad”Feb 12 13:07
schestowitzHere Feb 12 13:07
schestowitzLike thttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_in_JordanFeb 12 13:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft in Jordan - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 10.63 KBFeb 12 13:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Why did Ofcom back down over DRM at the BBC? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/09/ofcomFeb 12 13:07
Omar87backFeb 12 13:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmmm http://lifehacker.com/5469612/best-netbook-operating-systemFeb 12 13:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Best Netbook Operating System? - NetBooks - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 67.23 KBFeb 12 13:13
schestowitzhttp://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.version2.dk%2Fartikel%2F13690-breaking-odf-vinder-dokumentformatkrig&sl=da&tl=enFeb 12 13:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Translate .::. Size~: 1.06 KBFeb 12 13:15
schestowitzOmar87: see  http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_in_JordanFeb 12 13:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft in Jordan - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 10.63 KBFeb 12 13:16
schestowitzIt takes a short time to just do a quick search on the topic, then make a list of links. BN contains about 50,000 external linksFeb 12 13:16
schestowitzI gather them under instructive postsFeb 12 13:16
schestowitzWe need a page on UAE tooFeb 12 13:16
schestowitzThis way you can quickly point someone from UAE to the mischiefs of Microsoft over thereFeb 12 13:17
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/29/danes_ditch_microsoft/Feb 12 13:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Danes ditch Microsoft, take ODF road - at last • The Register .::. Size~: 28.02 KBFeb 12 13:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, If they can take a moment from their busy schedule of hanging homosexuals, right?Feb 12 13:18
DaemonFCI mean, that can be very time consumingFeb 12 13:18
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/notes2self/statuses/8376779499?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlanetODF+%28Planet+ODF%29Feb 12 13:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Notes2Self: @rcweir I think you're too ... .::. Size~: 10.25 KBFeb 12 13:19
schestowitz"@rcweir I think you're too close to see this objectively Rob. There's been an "ODF only" lobbying activity in Dk hence the ODF call out"Feb 12 13:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: homosexuals are non-violent for the most partFeb 12 13:19
schestowitzI don't have a problem with the gay communityFeb 12 13:19
DaemonFCthat's never stopped those people over there beforeFeb 12 13:19
schestowitzSome people fear it because it evokes their fear of attraction to malesFeb 12 13:19
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schestowitzIn Iraq they gassed Kurds, in Nazi Germany they gassed Gypsies, Jews, and gaysFeb 12 13:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been playing Glest. Love it! #linux #fossFeb 12 13:21
schestowitzI don't know about UAE, DaemonFCFeb 12 13:21
schestowitzI don't think it's as severe as say... Saudi ArabiaFeb 12 13:21
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schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/29/1357203/Denmark-Chooses-ODF-Document-FormatFeb 12 13:22
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/Keltounet/statuses/8374864446Feb 12 13:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Ollivier Robert: RT @drosoo: Finally, open  ... .::. Size~: 10.34 KBFeb 12 13:22
_goblin_o2 is playing up as usualFeb 12 13:22
schestowitzDamn. I'm dumping ODF planetFeb 12 13:22
_goblin_why?Feb 12 13:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, You have to harass and suppress people just enough to avoid an armed rebellion (assuming they have those numbers)Feb 12 13:24
DaemonFCa minority has to be pretty sizable before the majority is afraid to commit crimes against themFeb 12 13:24
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's one big reason why I could never wrap my head around South African apartheidFeb 12 13:24
DaemonFCI just never could grasp 11% of the population suppressing 89% successfullyFeb 12 13:24
DaemonFChow does your enemy outnumber you 9 to 1 and you get away with bullying them?Feb 12 13:24
schestowitzI'll tweet itFeb 12 13:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've decided to drop/stop reading #ODF Planet. Too much noise, too little signal, esp. b/c of twitter inclusion. @rcweir any alt?Feb 12 13:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: "enemy"?Feb 12 13:24
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DaemonFCschestowitz, that's why apartheid sticks out, German Jews weren't 89% of the population of GermanyFeb 12 13:25
DaemonFCthe Kurds were never 89% of IraqFeb 12 13:25
DaemonFChow the FUCK did apartheid happen?Feb 12 13:25
DaemonFCI can understand a minority being oppressed, not a minority being the oppressors Feb 12 13:26
oiaohmThere are rare cases of the reverse.Feb 12 13:26
oiaohmNormally they have to be pritty darn savage.Feb 12 13:27
DaemonFCoiaohm, There had to have been some kind of passive acceptance on the part of non-white South Africans for that to passFeb 12 13:27
DaemonFCthey could have torn the people "oppressing" them a new asshole with those numbersFeb 12 13:27
DaemonFCarmed or notFeb 12 13:27
oiaohmIts the britsh that started. it.Feb 12 13:27
DaemonFC:DFeb 12 13:28
oiaohmIndia was no different either.Feb 12 13:28
oiaohmBoth britsh ruled areas.Feb 12 13:28
DaemonFCthe same British that offered black slaved in colonial America freedom if they would take up arms against the United StatesFeb 12 13:28
DaemonFC:)Feb 12 13:28
oiaohmBoth used if you don't do what we want we will shot you.Feb 12 13:28
DaemonFC*slavesFeb 12 13:28
oiaohmRemember the minority had guns and the majority did not.Feb 12 13:29
DaemonFCoiaohm, That's true, but it's only going to go so far as a counterbalance Feb 12 13:29
oiaohmIn both south africa and india cases.Feb 12 13:29
DaemonFCit shouldn't have kept them in power for a week, much less over 50 yearsFeb 12 13:29
oiaohmReally machine guns.Feb 12 13:30
DaemonFCI think the funniest part of our revolutionary war were the snipersFeb 12 13:31
DaemonFCthey started picking off British officers and the rest of their men had no idea what to do, panicked, and ran off in every direction :DFeb 12 13:31
oiaohmIt was MAHATMA GANDHI that freed the is own people in South Africa before return to India to sort out the rest.Feb 12 13:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Belgian Government spreading DOCX files on its website: http://i5.be/atg despite the promises to switch to ODF: http://i5.be/atiFeb 12 13:32
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DaemonFCI believe the word the British used to describe that was "Ungentlemanly"Feb 12 13:32
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oiaohmIt was not as bad as one of Australias worse war times losses.  Being dropped on the wrong beach by the British.Feb 12 13:33
DaemonFChmmm, when did this happen?Feb 12 13:33
EruaranWorld War 1Feb 12 13:34
EruaranGallipoliFeb 12 13:34
schestowitzI just got a better BN intro French translation into HTMLFeb 12 13:35
schestowitzI translated it to Wiki syntax and put it under http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/FrancaisFeb 12 13:35
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oiaohmGallipoli is also where the Australian and Newzland soliders got the name diggers.  About the only way to stay alive there was dig in.  DaemonFCFeb 12 13:37
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_goblin_I nearly despise wordpress as much as I do O2Feb 12 13:42
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*schestowitz <3 WordPressFeb 12 13:44
schestowitzGoogle censors Youtube nasties  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591577/google-censors-youtube-nastiesFeb 12 13:48
schestowitzzoobab: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591519/microsoft-apple-stole-technologyFeb 12 13:48
schestowitz"@rcweir there is still a lot of repetition [...] @rcweir can twitter items be flagged uniquely with a symbol (For filtering)?"Feb 12 13:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Erika Mann now working for CCIA in Brussels, she was tabling the interop amendments of IBM and al in the swpat directive: http://i5.be/atkFeb 12 13:49
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schestowitzzoobab: IIRC, Emblaze does LiMoFeb 12 13:50
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Toshiba invents a tiny 1TB SSD http://is.gd/8elq5 #storage #disc drivesFeb 12 13:52
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DaemonFChttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7190399/Microsoft-launches-child-friendly-Internet-Explorer.htmlFeb 12 13:53
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DaemonFCIt has snuggly tentaclesFeb 12 13:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Intel taps student's robot for processor demo - http://bit.ly/93kRJ0 which just happens to run Ubuntu (via @zup2u2)Feb 12 13:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jmcesteves Germany: the Federal Criminal Police Office dbs and the surveillance of “troublemakers” http://is.gd/8aALYFeb 12 13:55
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DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/firefox_add_on_false_alarm/Feb 12 13:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Deletes Blogger Posts http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/24/google-deletes-blogger-posts do know evil?Feb 12 13:58
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schestowitzyes, I mentiond this earlierFeb 12 13:58
schestowitzhttp://kara.allthingsd.com/20100210/myspace-ceo-van-natta-was-fired-by-news-corp-digital-head-miller-in-late-afternoon-meeting/Feb 12 13:59
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schestowitz"@glynmoody you beat them to it http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/10/bbc-journalists-commanded-to-use-social-media "Feb 12 14:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I found this hypocrisy hilarious: UK slams Iran for "surveillance" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8511035.stmFeb 12 14:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @greve #KDE 4.4 looks awesome http://is.gd/80JMg Congratulations to all who contributed!Feb 12 14:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Get the hell off Google Buzz as absolutely soon as possible. http://is.gd/8eqkj http://is.gd/8eqpxFeb 12 14:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] CCIA launched a dedicated blog on IP and patents earlier in January: http://i5.be/atlFeb 12 14:23
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_loses_appeal_to_conceal_Binyam_Mohamed_tortureFeb 12 14:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard DW/LJ: Get the hell off Google Buzz as absolutely soon as possible. http://is.gd/8eqkj http://is.gd/8eqpxFeb 12 14:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] O2....I cannot trust its internet service anymore. Unreliable, even AOL on a bad day isn't like this. Im moving. #failFeb 12 14:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And Ive issues with Wordpress browser based editor, what you see is not what you get, awful.... Think it's time Openbytes moved too. #failFeb 12 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab #Microsoft bought them out of the case. The CEO, Ed Black, received millions in Microsoft money personally.Feb 12 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin a friend of mine uses multiple ISPs for fallbacks in the countrysideFeb 12 14:31
meshughiFeb 12 14:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Interesting blog of CCIA about software patents, patent trolls and al, but their call for reform will keep swpats alive: http://i5.be/atmFeb 12 14:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz its just O2. Nobody else in our village suffers with issues.....btw you know last night I spoke with Jono....what a gentleman!Feb 12 14:38
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schestowitzhey, meshugFeb 12 14:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz and I wish I could be in BN IRC at the moment, but its pointless when with O2Feb 12 14:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin he is, but it's like PR. Be carefulFeb 12 14:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz it wasn't really that sort of conversation...it was mostly an informal chat...I was very impressed.Feb 12 14:40
meshugwhat is bntwitter?Feb 12 14:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz one thing is for sure he has a real passion and I do believe the best of intentions.Feb 12 14:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz whilst I don't like the GIMP decision, I can understand why its been removed.Feb 12 14:43
MinceRmeshug: a bot that polls twitter and dumps some twits hereFeb 12 14:44
meshugso, spamming hereFeb 12 14:44
meshugcoolFeb 12 14:44
MinceRtwitter->irc gatewayFeb 12 14:44
*meshug is now known as meshuggahFeb 12 14:44
meshuggahit even show up in the other network i joinedFeb 12 14:45
schestowitzMinceR: trolling here? Not coolFeb 12 14:45
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MinceRschestowitz: hm?Feb 12 14:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] *sigh* cleaning up a machine for my mum.. xp.. :(Feb 12 14:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I spoke to him too. But my opinions still stand.Feb 12 14:46
schestowitzMinceR: I think it's trollingFeb 12 14:46
meshuggah?Feb 12 14:47
schestowitzyou accuse me of spamming this channel?Feb 12 14:47
meshuggahhe is telling me bullshit?Feb 12 14:47
schestowitzIt's like those people who say that people are "trolling" by writing a blog of their ownFeb 12 14:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin he has just entered the channelFeb 12 14:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and now my page has completely disapeared from WordpressFeb 12 14:47
meshuggahbntwitter is spammingFeb 12 14:47
schestowitzOr that advancing Linux is "spamming"Feb 12 14:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sounds like host issue, maybeFeb 12 14:48
meshuggahlol, no, but this damn bot is spamming and is disturbingFeb 12 14:48
schestowitzmeshuggah: it's communication among/from other regulars of BNFeb 12 14:48
meshuggahwhat is bn?Feb 12 14:48
schestowitzIt's not "spamming", it's sometimes timely signal like fast announcements of stuffFeb 12 14:49
schestowitzBN is short for the site's name, which is cumbersomeFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahit says things i dont care to readFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahoh okFeb 12 14:49
schestowitzUse a filterFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahboycottnovellFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahnope i cantFeb 12 14:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Msg to Jono: Sorry my ISP is playing up can't come into IRC...Thanks for the conversation last night, interesting and enlightening! Cheers!Feb 12 14:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin @schestowitz the problem with the removal of Gimp is the lack of anything unproblematic as a replacement. krita??Feb 12 14:49
meshuggahi never ignored someone/something i wnot beginFeb 12 14:49
schestowitz /ignore BNtwitterFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahi cantFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahit is weakFeb 12 14:49
meshuggahonly the weak ignoresFeb 12 14:49
schestowitzOKFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahi am new hereFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahso why boycott novell?Feb 12 14:50
schestowitzNice to meet youFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahand can you remember me who they areFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahnice to meet you tooFeb 12 14:50
schestowitzmeshuggah: see the front page of the siteFeb 12 14:50
schestowitzIt explains it in about 8 lamguagesFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahlolFeb 12 14:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Oh yes, mine do to. I feel no different about Mono et al, however I do feel encouraged with the direction of Ubuntu.Feb 12 14:50
meshuggahi want YOU to explainFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahnot a website ;PFeb 12 14:50
meshuggahi prefer to talk to humanFeb 12 14:51
meshuggaha website dont listen my question nor repluyFeb 12 14:51
schestowitzTrueFeb 12 14:51
MinceRi think he wrote that page :>Feb 12 14:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin @schestowitz i mean, i'm a big fan and frequent user of Gimp and it's really difficult for people who don't think in design to useFeb 12 14:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Chrome OS?Feb 12 14:51
schestowitzBut I can copy and paste the page for youFeb 12 14:51
meshuggahlolFeb 12 14:51
meshuggahheheFeb 12 14:51
meshuggahokokFeb 12 14:51
meshuggahi will clickFeb 12 14:51
meshuggahso what is url?Feb 12 14:52
meshuggahxDFeb 12 14:52
meshuggahi dont see it in topicFeb 12 14:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard it's getting single-window mode soonFeb 12 14:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Im with you 100% with not wanting GIMP removed infact its even more devastating in my case because the intended deployment....Feb 12 14:52
schestowitzmeshuggah: http://boycottnovell.comFeb 12 14:53
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meshuggahohFeb 12 14:53
meshuggahdifficult to remember...sorryFeb 12 14:53
meshuggahi use windows 7, what about youFeb 12 14:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard because all the machines 10.04 were destined for have no net connection and a need of GIMP.Feb 12 14:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Im now trying to push 9.10 at work for our standalones.Feb 12 14:53
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meshuggahhello rubenvFeb 12 14:53
rubenvawesome guysFeb 12 14:54
meshuggahhow are you, rubenv?Feb 12 14:54
rubenvthanks for linking to my blog about FOSDEM 2010Feb 12 14:54
schestowitzno problemFeb 12 14:54
schestowitzWe're concerned about monoFeb 12 14:54
meshuggahmono?Feb 12 14:54
schestowitzyesFeb 12 14:54
schestowitzMono !! :-)Feb 12 14:54
meshuggahah shitFeb 12 14:54
schestowitzBridge from Linux to WindowsFeb 12 14:55
schestowitzFor developers mostlyFeb 12 14:55
rubenvin all fairness, it's pretty normal for people from inside a community to host their community eventsFeb 12 14:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wordpress refuses to publish my article. If I click on publish it merely disapears...what rubbish.Feb 12 14:55
schestowitzMaking an army of young developers to whom programming is Visual Studio and stuffFeb 12 14:55
schestowitzrubenv: yes, I knowFeb 12 14:55
rubenvanyway, it's a bit of a shame none of you guys showed up (that I know of)Feb 12 14:56
meshuggahi think the cop knocked on my doorFeb 12 14:56
rubenvone thing I wanted to show is that most of us are just guys that love hackingFeb 12 14:56
schestowitzrubenv: some were in FOSDEMFeb 12 14:56
meshuggahringed in factFeb 12 14:56
meshuggahwhat does he wantFeb 12 14:57
schestowitzrubenv: I knowFeb 12 14:57
schestowitzSame with Apple and Microsoft codersFeb 12 14:57
schestowitzThat's like saying, soldiers who fight in Iraq are trying to helpFeb 12 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz In respect of Chrome OS, I was at the time (and still am) looking forward to seeing the deployment of that product.Feb 12 14:57
schestowitzThat's a diversionFeb 12 14:57
meshuggahdunno, they are going awayFeb 12 14:57
rubenvmaybe we should have a panel discussion next yearFeb 12 14:57
MinceRit's worse than a diversionFeb 12 14:57
rubenvalong with someone from codeplexFeb 12 14:57
schestowitzThe question to ask is, who sent them there in the first place and whyFeb 12 14:57
MinceRonce those programmers have invested heavily into mono/.net and vs, m$ can start exploiting their patentsFeb 12 14:58
MinceRand cut them off from linux and monoFeb 12 14:58
schestowitzrubenv: codeplex is about promoting a criminal companyFeb 12 14:58
schestowitzBut people feel shy when it's put like thisFeb 12 14:58
schestowitzIt's abut killing IT some moreFeb 12 14:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] As people can gather, Im not having a good day, three days off have not started well.I think im outa here for a bit..Feb 12 14:58
MinceRor scare their customers into moving to winblowsFeb 12 14:58
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MinceRwith FUDFeb 12 14:58
schestowitzMonoculture that enriches unimprisoned criminalsFeb 12 14:58
MinceRthen again, probably being obsessed with a single language/runtime is bad regardless of which it isFeb 12 15:00
schestowitzOracle Java......Feb 12 15:00
schestowitzWell, at least it's platform agnostic..Feb 12 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin 2010 for Chrome OS... out for a smoke?Feb 12 15:00
schestowitzOracle doesn't play penis envy with OSesFeb 12 15:00
MinceRit is, but it's no silver bullet :>Feb 12 15:00
schestowitzThey have Solaris and a Linux now.. and they build their s/w for Win32 tooFeb 12 15:01
schestowitzMinceR: Silver Lie?Feb 12 15:01
MinceR:>Feb 12 15:01
schestowitzWaste of silver anywayFeb 12 15:01
oiaohmOracle will face a major assult if it tried doing something bad to java.Feb 12 15:01
MinceRwhat sort of assault?Feb 12 15:01
schestowitzFrom SAP tooFeb 12 15:01
oiaohmLegal MinceRFeb 12 15:02
schestowitzMinceR: sending int he marinesFeb 12 15:02
MinceR:DFeb 12 15:02
schestowitzGoing rambo on Java's behindFeb 12 15:02
oiaohmLot of patent agreements Sun had depend on Java not being used as harm to other companies.Feb 12 15:02
schestowitzOracle doesn't sue with patentsFeb 12 15:02
schestowitzIt hardly gets sued, eitherFeb 12 15:02
oiaohmOracle very rarely does anything nasty to other companies.Feb 12 15:03
oiaohmOracle basically just out competes.Feb 12 15:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz nah...not smoking......daddy duties involving listening to "Rory the racing car" a few hundred times.Feb 12 15:03
schestowitzGoogle Butt: http://millionchimpanzees.blogspot.com/2010/02/google-buzz-first-impressions.htmlFeb 12 15:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Million Chimpanzees: Google Buzz: First Impressions .::. Size~: 88.62 KBFeb 12 15:03
MinceRand acquiresFeb 12 15:04
schestowitzI hear it's badFeb 12 15:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sounds like funFeb 12 15:04
schestowitzNice new stylesheets for Linux Journal.. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/determine-if-shell-input-coming-terminal-or-pipeFeb 12 15:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Determine If Shell Input is Coming From the Terminal or From a Pipe | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 54.36 KBFeb 12 15:05
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MinceRbuzz is strangeFeb 12 15:05
oiaohmMinceR: Most of Oracle aquires end up better off after the process.  Compared to most MS aquires that fade out of existance.Feb 12 15:05
MinceRthe first mentions gave me the impression that it won't do anything to me until i create a profileFeb 12 15:05
rubenvhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/shuttleworth-quote-on-api/ <-- is there a source for this quote?Feb 12 15:05
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MinceRbut then gfail had "Turn off Buzz" or something at the bottom of the screen, so i clicked thatFeb 12 15:06
MinceRso maybe it's opt-out after allFeb 12 15:06
schestowitzGoogle can show the NSA one among 10k videos you once watched somewhereFeb 12 15:06
schestowitzIt's potential smear on a platterFeb 12 15:06
schestowitzMore data, for options for selectionFeb 12 15:06
schestowitzSchmidt says if you worry, then you do something you're not supposed to doFeb 12 15:07
schestowitzGoogle even knows which gross sites people visits (Analytics, PR toolbar, etc.)Feb 12 15:07
schestowitzGoogle would make decent NSA companionFeb 12 15:07
schestowitzThey collaborate nowFeb 12 15:07
schestowitzMatt CUtts came to Google from the secret agenciesFeb 12 15:08
rubenvhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/shuttleworth-quote-on-api/ <-- is there a source for this quote? *bump*Feb 12 15:08
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trmancoBuzz is spammyFeb 12 15:08
trmancoI don't like thing inside my email boxFeb 12 15:08
trmancosocial networking does not fit in to daily emailFeb 12 15:08
trmancothat*Feb 12 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz listen to this 100 times then come back and say the same thing....talk to you later! http://bit.ly/1bl70AFeb 12 15:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin good effectsFeb 12 15:10
schestowitzrubenv: google itFeb 12 15:10
schestowitzI didFeb 12 15:11
schestowitzI could recall it tooFeb 12 15:11
schestowitzIt goes back to wine debateFeb 12 15:11
schestowitzAround 06-07Feb 12 15:11
schestowitzIIRCFeb 12 15:11
schestowitzHe opposed putting in wine be defaultFeb 12 15:11
schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/780-upgrade-your-kernel-the-safe-way-in-ubuntu-linuxmintFeb 12 15:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #24camp hackathon started @ freenode . join us http://webchat.freenode.net , channel #24campFeb 12 15:12
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rubenvthe only results I get are from yours site and relatedFeb 12 15:12
schestowitzhttp://www.daniweb.com/news/story259696.htmlFeb 12 15:12
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rubenvschestowitz: source it or pull it, stuff like that hurts your credibility (which you should know as an academic)Feb 12 15:14
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schestowitzI see that GreyGeek captured that one a while ago tooFeb 12 15:14
schestowitzhttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3109892.0Feb 12 15:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Matt Asay new COO for Canonical .::. Size~: 103.58 KBFeb 12 15:17
schestowitzrubenv: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230Feb 12 15:18
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schestowitzThere was one 3 years ago tooFeb 12 15:19
rubenvstill no sources thereFeb 12 15:19
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/OpenOffice-3-2-more-stability-more-speed-927551.htmlFeb 12 15:19
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MinceRit will be different. it will be brown! ;)Feb 12 15:19
rubenvunless that post on ostatic.com is meant to be the source, in which case it's highly twisting his wordsFeb 12 15:20
schestowitzMinceR: any flavour you want, as long as it's chocolateFeb 12 15:20
MinceRi don't mind chocolateFeb 12 15:20
MinceRbut chocolate isn't the only brown thing :>Feb 12 15:20
schestowitzTrueFeb 12 15:20
schestowitzSoil isFeb 12 15:20
schestowitzIt's a nice area of the spectrumFeb 12 15:20
MinceRthat's a matter of tasteFeb 12 15:21
schestowitzSome people prefer biology (green) and atmosphere (blue)Feb 12 15:21
schestowitzMinceR: ewwwwwwwFeb 12 15:21
MinceR?Feb 12 15:22
MinceRshould i have said 'personal preferences' instead? :>Feb 12 15:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/car-key_copier.htmlFeb 12 15:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Schneier on Security: Car-Key Copier .::. Size~: 21.46 KBFeb 12 15:23
schestowitzMinceR: choose something that reflects light differentlyFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzIt might taste betterFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzIt's interesting as a subject axtuallyFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzOur food could be many coloursFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzLike cucumber vs tomatoFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzBut in food engineering there;s proferenceFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzThey could make blue ketchupFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzBut they won'tFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzBecause blue does not look "right" for foodFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzIt works for candyFeb 12 15:24
schestowitzSo people associate colour with what's edible and what groups of biology it belongs toFeb 12 15:25
schestowitzBlue in water is just the atmosphere reflectedFeb 12 15:25
schestowitzBrown water is tepidFeb 12 15:25
schestowitzSo people steer away from brown "foods"Feb 12 15:25
schestowitzUnless it's seeds maybeFeb 12 15:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mum wants to take local courses in computer stuff which rules out Ubuntu on this machine frustratinglyFeb 12 15:26
schestowitzWe don't have ultra-violet fruits, not that we can interpret them by this criteria anyway. But we have machines that do that and transform it to something we can analyseFeb 12 15:26
schestowitzsame with the constellations. What animal has the widest range of sounds/visuals reception?Feb 12 15:27
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] gwibber testFeb 12 15:27
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Ubuntu Lucid alpha 2, 1st time I have 1920x1200 out of box and without proprietary drivers, new gwibber looks nice but twitter not workingFeb 12 15:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hah! This machine was 'cleaned' by a local IT company. I just found 3 trojans. Wipe it is.Feb 12 15:27
MinceRactually people don't steer away from brown foodFeb 12 15:27
MinceRthere's chocolate, some foods made of meat, some sauces, etc.Feb 12 15:28
schestowitzTrue, but meat is red usuallyFeb 12 15:28
schestowitzOr light brows/whiteFeb 12 15:28
MinceRbefore cooking :>Feb 12 15:28
schestowitzWe then cook the buggerFeb 12 15:28
schestowitzThen it's just burnt tissueFeb 12 15:29
MinceRburnt tissue that tastes great :>Feb 12 15:29
schestowitzWIthout the micro-organismsFeb 12 15:29
schestowitzMinceR: cause you're used to itFeb 12 15:29
schestowitzRaw meat can be good tooFeb 12 15:29
schestowitzWe're not good at eating it anymoreFeb 12 15:29
schestowitzBut then again, we never wereFeb 12 15:30
schestowitzNot many monkeys eat meat at allFeb 12 15:30
schestowitzCats and dogs/wolves doFeb 12 15:30
schestowitzThey also have better teeth and can handle the bacteria in the mear more effectivelyFeb 12 15:30
schestowitzThey evolved better than us in some ways... same with whales/dolphinsFeb 12 15:30
schestowitzThey don't have fingers and a good set of vocal chords thoughFeb 12 15:31
schestowitzParrots have themFeb 12 15:31
schestowitzSo they can't manipulate and communicate wellFeb 12 15:31
schestowitzMonkeys can manipulate as well as usFeb 12 15:31
schestowitzSometimes betterFeb 12 15:31
schestowitzThey can climb trees very wellFeb 12 15:32
schestowitzAnd their toes are better than oursFeb 12 15:32
schestowitzOurs just become f* uselessFeb 12 15:32
schestowitzThey do nothing but be used to walk onFeb 12 15:32
schestowitzBut monkeys can shriek (like Microsoft's CEO), they can't speak language and teach itFeb 12 15:32
schestowitzANd they are too stupid to be literate... small brainFeb 12 15:33
schestowitzLike a 4 year old for chimps, I reckon..Feb 12 15:33
schestowitzhttp://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2010/02/11/chip-and-pin-is-broken/Feb 12 15:33
schestowitzHeh.Feb 12 15:33
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schestowitzWe need to conceptualise a better-evolevd human... :-)Feb 12 15:34
schestowitzMonkey feet... night sight of a cat, teeth of a wolf, brain of a man, and extremities like those of monkeys/humans and their extinct common predecessor (can't recall its name)Feb 12 15:35
schestowitzMISSING LINK FOUND - New Fossil Links Humans, Lemurs < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLilqm6GxrA >Feb 12 15:35
schestowitzIt's in Norway nowFeb 12 15:35
schestowitzhttp://www.scienceblog.com/cms/comprehensive-study-using-bioinformatics-predicts-molecular-causes-many-genetic-diseases.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28Science+Blog%29Feb 12 15:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Comprehensive study using bioinformatics predicts the molecular causes of many genetic diseases | ScienceBlog.com .::. Size~: 27.39 KBFeb 12 15:38
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/news/hardware/servers/285372:amd-talks-up-power-innovations-in-llano-puts-gpu-in-the-cpunsocketFeb 12 15:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Polljack: 61% of Daily Mail/Richard Littlejohn readers think it's okay to torture. http://bit.ly/cwounR Vote no, and spread the word.Feb 12 15:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Binyam Mohamed torture case: How should we grill terror suspects?  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 95.25 KBFeb 12 15:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin looks like 9.10 will be ubuntu's high water markFeb 12 15:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz it's still a heavy-duty image editor for people who know what they want to do. but there isn't really a simpler one for unix.Feb 12 15:44
schestowitz"@satipera sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? Plasma has a nice microblogging app"Feb 12 15:45
MinceRschestowitz: iirc there was some simian species that preferred cooked meat even though they couldn't cook it themselvesFeb 12 15:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard there are many, including some for KDEFeb 12 15:46
schestowitzfire likes cooked meatFeb 12 15:46
schestowitzYum!Feb 12 15:47
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] It is not the new Gwibber client in Lucid, twitter has stopped working on my netbook under Gwibber in Karmic.Feb 12 15:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Time for #gop to bring Kim Kardashian on board to direct Energy, Economic and Foreign policy. Strong contender to embarrass #Obama in 2012!Feb 12 15:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz with utter n00b friendliness and no Mono? you and i are geeks, remember.Feb 12 15:48
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Ha ha I have just had my wrists slapped by Twitter for logging on too many times, I am a suspicious character it seems.Feb 12 15:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @libelreform Signed this petition supporting Libel Reform in the #UK http://tinyurl.com/yhkmj9yFeb 12 15:54
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schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10451566-83.html?part=rss&amp;subj=news&amp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20Feb 12 16:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard "n00b friendliness and Mono" don't necessarily go togetherFeb 12 16:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Drowning into the depths of #DanBrown's #TheLostSymbol. Chapter 46 now.Feb 12 16:05
schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/dell_acquires_kace_networks/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10452254-94.html?part=rss&amp;subj=news&amp;tag=2547-1_3-0-20Feb 12 16:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] The last lot of Lucid updates broke the display altogether, had to go back to the 10 kernel. All is well again.Feb 12 16:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Admits Deliberately Violating Software Licences http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/12/fosdem-2009-fluke/Feb 12 16:19
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schestowitz"@schestowitz if the bbc's doing it, maybe it's time to move on..."Feb 12 16:20
schestowitzHehe.Feb 12 16:20
schestowitzBBC says Iran spies on citizensFeb 12 16:20
schestowitzLike the UK doesn't......Feb 12 16:20
schestowitz> http://slashdot.org/submission/1171678/Bill-Gates-gets-iPhone-envy?art_pos=1Feb 12 16:21
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schestowitzThat theif deserves no attention really. It's not as though his opinion is more qualified.Feb 12 16:21
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schestowitzthis is so bad that Microsoft hits the "panic" button and halts the updates http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5250Feb 12 16:35
schestowitzHa!Feb 12 16:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz sorry, i didn't mean they do :-) mind you, any mono app that *is* n00b-friendly can be translated a la gnote ...Feb 12 16:46
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/KDE-SC-4-4-Fresh-breeze-for-KDE-926340.htmlFeb 12 16:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard #Novell offers #Mono projects PR and marketing that 'non-Microsoft' projects cannot getFeb 12 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard Microsoft blogs/staff too. They promote #mono and #moonlightFeb 12 16:50
schestowitzhttp://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/02/helios-project-organization-day.htmlFeb 12 16:51
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schestowitzhttp://stgraber.org/2010/01/28/new-ltsp-cluster-websites-officially-outFeb 12 16:51
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schestowitzSome people think that I have a problem with Mono developersFeb 12 16:53
schestowitzThat's nonsenseFeb 12 16:53
schestowitzThey are just a "pawn in the battle" to Microsoft (Microsoft's words)Feb 12 16:53
schestowitzIt's like blaming some poor minority going to serve in Iraq for the /policy/ on Iraq (WoMD lies)Feb 12 16:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I'm not talking about mono at all. I'm talking about gimp having a huge learning curve and the lack of something that doesn't.Feb 12 16:54
schestowitzA lot of nasty people are pivotal in steering devs in the wrong directionFeb 12 16:54
schestowitzIt's like Pat Robertson and Falwel... using stupid masses to fight their battlesFeb 12 16:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am fucking appalled at the victim-blaming from arrogant geeks concerning Google Buzz's dangerous privacy violations. Look at yourselves.Feb 12 16:55
schestowitzMicrosoft uses Novell and Mono fans (like Miguel) to move FOSS developers into Microsoft's sideFeb 12 16:55
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schestowitzhttp://techdrivein.blogspot.com/2010/02/stunning-wallpaper-clocks-for-ubuntu.htmlFeb 12 17:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard] I am * appalled at the victim-blaming from arrogant geeks concerning Google Buzz's dangerous privacy violations.Feb 12 17:01
schestowitzThis dude looks smarter than RMS: http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36761-dealing-with-gifted-kids-a-geeks-taleFeb 12 17:10
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schestowitzhttp://stealmycode.com/bolix/Feb 12 17:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin ever tried http://stealmycode.com/bolix/ ?Feb 12 17:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @theisb: This is literally the best article in @ComicsAlliance history: Cerebus Valentines by @Laura_Hudson: http://is.gd/8f7JOFeb 12 17:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I give up with Wordpress. Go to publish a post, it disappears....time to move....Feb 12 17:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin 2.9.1 or earlier? Or wordpress.com?Feb 12 17:40
schestowitzhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/firefogg_transcoding_videos_open_web_standards_mozilla_firefoxFeb 12 17:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sounds like installation/hosting issueFeb 12 17:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin it's not as though you'll find something better. I've run WordPress on about 5 sites for 6 years; no issuesFeb 12 17:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I'll go with blogger.com. It can't be any worse. Ive found out the issue, Wordpress has decided to start posting my work, onFeb 12 17:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz the date it was created not the date I want to publish it. Great new feature that I don't want.Feb 12 17:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Sorry folks, latest post is a mess. WYSIWYG does not apply to Wordpress....Im looking elsewhere.Feb 12 17:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux Gaming – The RPG question. http://tinyurl.com/yegbe2v #linux #foss #gnu #rpg #gaming #pcFeb 12 17:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Wordpress.com....I thought it may be a Chromium issue...its not.Feb 12 17:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] openbytes is up and running again ;-) http://openbytes.wordpress.com/Feb 12 18:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin i run my own wp installation on 2.9.1 and it's pretty good.Feb 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin which is to say, just about tolerable if i'm prepared to abuse php horribly from time to time. Your mileage may vary.Feb 12 18:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin that's what I suspected caused it (really!); it's a good feature. Google Blogger is being dumped; DON'T do thereFeb 12 18:15
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schestowitz"@schestowitz Western media are beginning to look very foolish over this..."Feb 12 18:22
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schestowitzHeyFeb 12 18:32
sebsebsebHiFeb 12 18:33
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sebsebsebthought I had already done something like that here, but nopeFeb 12 18:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Its never done it before....I often write posts that don't get published for days...that latest article is a complete mess.Feb 12 18:36
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_goblinright, I wonder how long I can remain connected.Feb 12 18:39
_goblinoh....hello everyone.Feb 12 18:39
_goblin..Feb 12 18:42
Aondohello you are still connected :PFeb 12 18:42
_goblinI think soFeb 12 18:42
_goblinO2 makes AOL look like a gold service.Feb 12 18:43
_goblininfact I am thinking of sending data packets by snail mail, it may be quicker.Feb 12 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking forward to #tna Against all odds....should be great.Feb 12 18:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Are you sure that Word Press is the problem? It could be your MySQL database.Feb 12 18:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter I checked all possibilities including my browser of choice. Ive concluded (quite ignorantly) that Wordpress is hosed.Feb 12 18:56
_goblinAondo: just seen you on Twitter...following you.Feb 12 18:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter and this is what is referred to as "throwing my teddy in the corner".........Feb 12 18:57
Aondo:)Feb 12 18:58
Aondoi'm on my way to get a site up and running too, but not quite readyFeb 12 19:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] US Judge supports software terrorism http://ur1.ca/m6w9Feb 12 19:12
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_goblinAondo: Please let me know when its ready....Im currently doing my new links.Feb 12 19:20
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Aondoyea i will. i'm slow tho :P Feb 12 19:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tymlee Oppose Murkowski Attack on Clean Air Act http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/108252854 // Even we Canadians need to breatheFeb 12 19:36
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schestowitzNAACP President: Glenn Beck Owes Obama An Apology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMgsWz3XQkw&feature=relatedFeb 12 20:02
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dyfetschestowitz: naturally I would be the one to raise a complex new question to consider :)Feb 12 20:10
schestowitzheyFeb 12 20:11
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schestowitzWorld's tallest man has become a father http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_fjrtxih2o&feature=relatedFeb 12 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] All hail @arkadyrose's superior hardware l33tn3ss, having just turned 2 dead Dell C610 into a live one. With LCD transplant. :-OFeb 12 20:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] G20 protester sentenced to 2.5 years for "violent assault" against RBS building http://tr.im/NX4M No prosecution of the police who killed.Feb 12 20:46
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_goblinNew wordpress theme - Motion......looks awful for openbytes.Feb 12 20:51
sebsebsebhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/openoffice-back-in-ubuntu-netbook.htmlFeb 12 20:52
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_goblinYeah, I saw that yesterday.....Feb 12 20:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking for a new theme for Openbytes....Motion has just been released....nope that ain't it.....Feb 12 20:53
_goblinThe thing is, I think Abiword is better (Ive said so enough on my blog)...i've no use of the other OO tools other than WP...my needs are quite simple.Feb 12 20:54
sebsebseb_goblin: I like Abiword a lotFeb 12 20:55
sebsebsebGnumeric I haven't used properly, but I guess that's pretty good as wellFeb 12 20:55
_goblinsame here.....Feb 12 20:55
_goblinnever really used GnumericFeb 12 20:55
_goblinas long as I have bold underline and italics (and a spell checker) thats all I need.Feb 12 20:56
sebsebsebwell right now,  I hardly ever do stuff like that,  so a text editor would even do the trickFeb 12 20:57
sebsebsebhowever  I did type up soon notes in Open Office earlier,  whilst on the phoneFeb 12 20:57
sebsebsebthen spell checked a little bit and corrected some stuff, and printedFeb 12 20:58
sebsebseb_goblin: KISS Keep It Simple StupidFeb 12 21:00
sebsebsebAbiword is very much like that,  and yes it's like Microsoft Word, but with features that most users woudn't use, not as part of itFeb 12 21:01
_goblintrue...Feb 12 21:01
sebsebsebits like Microsoft Word, but without the junk featuresFeb 12 21:01
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shreddarHey guy's I just read article on QuestionCopyright.org called "What We Lose When We Embrace Copyright".Feb 12 21:10
shreddarIt's probably the most clear and thorough one I've read on the subject.Feb 12 21:11
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shreddarIt's hard for me to imagine anyone to actually read it and still keep the common characterisations spread by big media organisations.Feb 12 21:15
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shreddarIt adresses the very popular "But how will X make money" argument. Which is the heart the issue for artist I've talked too.Feb 12 21:17
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shreddarI'll try to show them this when I get the oportunity. I think I can atleast help see the issues better.Feb 12 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RMS #GNU #Linux -Libre is Announced http://ur1.ca/m79t EN: http://ur1.ca/m79uFeb 12 21:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ministry Migrated to GNU/Linux http://gabrielforster.com/2010/02/how-we-implemented-linux-in-our-ministry/Feb 12 21:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Working on Mumbuntu for my mum.Feb 12 21:23
shreddarHere's the link for anyone interested; http://questioncopyright.org/what_we_lose_when_we_embrace_copyrightFeb 12 21:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SGI Sells Server with #GNU #Linux http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/sgi_cyclone_hpc_cloud/Feb 12 21:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Free #ATI Drivers in #Linux #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ati_r600_mesa_3d&num=1Feb 12 21:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Games for #GNU #Linux : Much Better Than Imagined http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/linux-gaming-the-rpg-question/Feb 12 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Gaming  The RPG question. «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 44.04 KBFeb 12 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Buzz uploading photos from your Android phone that you never downloaded?! http://is.gd/8g6CI #buzzoffFeb 12 21:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Buzz: Privacy nightmare | Molly Rants - CNET News .::. Size~: 129.26 KBFeb 12 21:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.4 in Pictures, Many Exciting New Additions http://ur1.ca/m7ad http://ur1.ca/m7ae http://ur1.ca/m7af http://ur1.ca/m7agFeb 12 21:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Screenshot Tour of KDE 4.4 SC .::. Size~: 61.56 KBFeb 12 21:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: aseigo: krunner responsiveness .::. Size~: 102.68 KBFeb 12 21:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: aseigo: go with the flow .::. Size~: 92.79 KBFeb 12 21:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Socceroos: Kubuntu Karmic, KDE 4.4 and Nepomuk .::. Size~: 75.99 KBFeb 12 21:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Gets New Beta Out, #Usability Tested http://ur1.ca/m7an http://ur1.ca/m7aoFeb 12 21:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNOME 2.30 Beta released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.15 KBFeb 12 21:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNOME Shell Usability Test Plan «  Máirín Duffy .::. Size~: 201.26 KBFeb 12 21:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I know why ./configure is slow in Cygwin. In a VM. But good Lord.Feb 12 21:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Computer Barbie http://tr.im/NXzi Her pink netbook appeals to her primary market: gay men.Feb 12 21:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix ( #GNU #Linux ) OS Works Really Well http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/salix13.htm #zenwalkFeb 12 21:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computer Engineer Barbie Has a PhD In FUN (And Breaking Down Stereotypes) - Computer engineer barbie - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 69.68 KBFeb 12 21:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases: Bauer-Puntu #Linux 9.10R2, #Yoper Linux 2010 RC1 http://ur1.ca/m7be http://ur1.ca/m7bfFeb 12 21:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Download Bauer-Puntu Linux 9.10R2 | Bauer-Power- Information is Power! .::. Size~: 117.1 KBFeb 12 21:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Family Adopts the #FogComputing Hype http://ur1.ca/m7bh http://ur1.ca/m7biFeb 12 21:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Hat projects to seed cloudy IT • The Register .::. Size~: 27.53 KBFeb 12 21:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Hat Ramps Up Open Source Cloud Projects &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 70.25 KBFeb 12 21:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attention Turned to #Fedora #GNU #Linux 14 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk3NQFeb 12 21:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Fedora Rawhide Quickly Switching To Fedora 14 .::. Size~: 15.34 KBFeb 12 21:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian 's Andrew McMillan Interviewed, #OpenECP Targets Debian #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/m7br http://ur1.ca/m7bsFeb 12 21:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i do like the ubuntu cloud. you can set up yr own internal cloud of kvm instances, and rent EC2 as needed with no vm changes!Feb 12 21:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sam Johnston: Announcing OpenECP: Open Elastic Computing Platform .::. Size~: 90.79 KBFeb 12 21:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz speaking as a sysadmin who's gone "OUCH" at the prices VMware charge, getting out from under them is goal #1 ...Feb 12 21:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Has GNU/Linux Light Version, #Facebook Link http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/u-lite-linux-ubuntu-made-light.htmlFeb 12 21:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: U-Lite Linux- Ubuntu made light. | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 90.94 KBFeb 12 21:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz though I work with Solaris now, and zones are all that and more. WAY cool. and free. (beer in 10, freedom in OpenSolaris.)Feb 12 21:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint Beats Parent, #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/m7c0 http://ur1.ca/m7c1Feb 12 21:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Why Mint over Ubuntu .::. Size~: 191.8 KBFeb 12 21:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mike Southby: Linux Mint/Ubuntu Enabling DVD Playback | Mike Southby .::. Size~: 45.41 KBFeb 12 21:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Small #Linux Computers Come to Book Stores http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100208/tc_nm/us_barnesnobleFeb 12 21:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Barnes & Noble's Nook e-reader to hit stores - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 94.42 KBFeb 12 21:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Computer Barbie http://tr.im/NXzi @arkadyrose says the dollie nuts are gonna buy these for the pink netbook and the clothes and glasses!Feb 12 21:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computer Engineer Barbie Has a PhD In FUN (And Breaking Down Stereotypes) - Computer engineer barbie - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 69.68 KBFeb 12 21:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google and #Motorola Strategise Better for #Linux #Phones Business http://ur1.ca/m7ca http://ur1.ca/m7cbFeb 12 21:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Motorola sets breakup for 2011 | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 72.26 KBFeb 12 21:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz mjg59 says the Nook is an utter lemon, and GPL compliance is like pulling teeth: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/119977.htmlFeb 12 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Chooses #GNU #Linux for Sub-notebooks Again (with #ARM ) http://ur1.ca/m7cpFeb 12 22:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: mjg59: Nook GPL update .::. Size~: 34.09 KBFeb 12 22:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Asustek Wants to Become Another Apple with Open-Source Platforms - X-bit labs .::. Size~: 28.82 KBFeb 12 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF 's LibrePlanet #FreeSoftware Conference is Coming Next Month http://www.fsf.org/news/libreplanet-2010Feb 12 22:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LibrePlanet Free Software Conference: Free as in Freedom! - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 29.34 KBFeb 12 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware and Farming Developments Meet http://www.refarmthecity.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_PageFeb 12 22:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Copenhagen to Host #FOSS Event http://www.opensourcedays.org/2010/Feb 12 22:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source conference in Copenhagen | Open Source Days .::. Size~: 20.22 KBFeb 12 22:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Routers Based on #FreeSoftware Are Better Value Than Proprietary http://ur1.ca/m7cxFeb 12 22:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source Routers Are Worth Considering .::. Size~: 32.27 KBFeb 12 22:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #CMS Software Among the Top CMS Options http://designreviver.com/tips/choosing-the-right-content-management-system-for-your-project/Feb 12 22:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Choosing the Right Content Management System for Your Project | Design Reviver .::. Size~: 37 KBFeb 12 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FreeSoftware Audiocasts: #FLOSS Weekly, TLLTS; FSM Cartoon http://twit.tv/floss108 http://ur1.ca/m7d8 http://ur1.ca/m7d9Feb 12 22:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 23.94 KBFeb 12 22:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Spain Shows Signs of Moves Towards Open #Standards http://ur1.ca/m7dlFeb 12 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dear @FromPaperchase http://bit.ly/b51d5B So when are you giving @HiddenEloise a fair share of the MONEY you've made from the STOLEN DESIGN?Feb 12 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Liking the new "Disk check" screen when Ubuntu Lucid boots up. Very nice looking. Not sure about the wording though. "Drive"?Feb 12 22:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IEEE Pressured to Join the New Reality of #OpenAccess http://ur1.ca/m7doFeb 12 22:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Openmoko Spreads #Wikipedia http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Openmoko-updates-WikiReader-the-pocket-Wikipedia-926803.htmlFeb 12 22:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I'm srating to wonder if Arch was named for the torture rack, BDSM arched back position, if there's a hard way, we'll do itFeb 12 22:22
MinceRhttp://www.fiction.net/tidbits/computer/pc-unix.htmlFeb 12 22:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is fantastic geek nostalgia. All 22 pages. http://technologizer.com/2010/02/10/silicon-valleys-island-of-misfit-tech/Feb 12 22:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook Adopts Standards and Makes #GNU #Linux Integration Simpler http://ur1.ca/m0td http://ur1.ca/m7enFeb 12 22:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #France is Adding #Censorship to Its Internet, Just Like in #China and #Iran http://ur1.ca/m7eo http://ur1.ca/m2veFeb 12 22:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia and the United States Embrace More Web #Censorship (the #China Model) http://ur1.ca/m7er http://ur1.ca/m7esFeb 12 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Iceland Offers Haven to Brave, Real Journalists http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8504972.stmFeb 12 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Privacy Debate Heats up: Phones as Tracking Devices http://ur1.ca/m3ty http://ur1.ca/m7ey http://ur1.ca/lysrFeb 12 22:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recording Industry (MAFIAA) Loses to Music Industry (Actual Artists) http://techdirt.com/articles/20100208/0300578077.shtmlFeb 12 22:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA 's #Racketeering Facilitates #Bribes , Arrest Follows http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/10/u-georgia-official-a.html #crimeFeb 12 22:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Importance of Net Neutrality and the Madness of #DRM Exemplified http://ur1.ca/m7ff http://ur1.ca/m7fgFeb 12 22:42
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_GoblinThink I may have an early night tonightFeb 12 22:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ODF Alliance Responds to Wins in Denmark, ODF a Matter of Equal Opportunities http://ur1.ca/m7gq http://ur1.ca/m7grFeb 12 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yes, but then it's just private server, no "cloud"Feb 12 23:06
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 12 23:06
oiaohmschestowitz:  you have a typo in links  http://boycottnovell.com/?stories in games sections you have a ttp: protocol on link instead of httpFeb 12 23:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Boycottnovell.com | Truth about Novell, Mono, Moonlight, Silverlight and secret Novell pact with Microsoft. .::. Size~: 201.26 KBFeb 12 23:07
schestowitzoiaohm: thanks!Feb 12 23:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Do you trust Bill Gates? Really - be honest now.Feb 12 23:08
schestowitzI'll fix another error while I'm at itFeb 12 23:08
oiaohmWould not be the desktop envorments link?  schestowitzFeb 12 23:09
schestowitzit isFeb 12 23:16
schestowitzI fixed itFeb 12 23:16
schestowitzI noticed that laterFeb 12 23:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the EC2 compatibility where you can move your instances to their servers as needed is *top stuff*Feb 12 23:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] My plan for Mumbuntu! http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/6Yt1CdeRXvFeb 12 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to make organisations accept open formats: it's all in the key words http://www.advogato.org/article/1032.htmlFeb 12 23:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: EtherPad: 6Yt1CdeRXv .::. Size~: 30.33 KBFeb 12 23:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Advogato: Proprietary File Formats conflict with Equal Opportunities .::. Size~: 11.72 KBFeb 12 23:20
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/openofficeorg-vs-microsoft-office  Well done compare.Feb 12 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenOffice.org vs. Microsoft Office | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 69.52 KBFeb 12 23:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Intellectual Ventures looking for a patent attorney in Bellevue (Washington) next to Redmond: http://i5.be/attFeb 12 23:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Patent Law Jobs by Patently-O: Patent Attorney - Small Corporation - Bellevue, Wash. .::. Size~: 23.17 KBFeb 12 23:43
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oiaohmhttp://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=7520  << This could making finding a running computer run.Feb 12 23:55
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