| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Victims Attest to #Windows Bricking and #Microsoft Halts Patches http://ur1.ca/m7lc #fail #botchtuesday | Feb 13 00:13 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all! Anyone still up on that side of the pond? | Feb 13 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | guess not then. Why I am here, is this link: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9155738/Microsoft_to_crack_down_on_Windows_7_activation_cracks | Feb 13 00:43 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | subtitle: " Optional update to WAT will sniff out more than 70 cracks, 'phone home' to Microsoft" | Feb 13 00:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't know if Roy has overlooked this one, or just not got to it, but my feeling it is important. Because it shows the measures that MS is going to, with the phone home stuff. At some point, I believe they will go so far as to sue users. But the WGA squeezeing of non-legit users, will increase as the MS profits decrease, of that you can be sure. | Feb 13 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 13 00:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote from the link: "The update to Windows Activation Technologies (WAT), the anti-piracy software formerly known as Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA), will be posted to Microsoft's download site on Feb. 17, and offered as an optional upgrade via Windows Update later this month, where it will be tagged as "important." | Feb 13 00:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy | Feb 13 00:48 |
| oiaohm | WAT is basically making KMS activation standard for everyone. | Feb 13 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I was just writing about that | Feb 13 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Just rereading what I wrote now | Feb 13 00:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, I thought so | Feb 13 00:48 |
| oiaohm | What happens if the MS servers fail? | Feb 13 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I'll add your comment now | Feb 13 00:48 |
| MinceR | people learn not to rely on m$ products? | Feb 13 00:48 |
| MinceR | nah | Feb 13 00:48 |
| MinceR | they're far too stupid for that | Feb 13 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm> easy,. if their activation servers fail, convert to Linux | Feb 13 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | WGA is now WAT, another renaming of an unpopular MS app, like MSN was renamed, then Vista | Feb 13 00:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In this case, the name was changed to protect the guilty | Feb 13 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Feb 13 00:55 |
| oiaohm | WAT is different toWGA | Feb 13 00:55 |
| oiaohm | WAT has a fixed time frame to check up on server. | Feb 13 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm> the activation servers have failed before. What would happen if say an as an exampe, I4I case would cause MS to have to stop activations? | Feb 13 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Windows is unstable for a variaty of reasons, and many users just reinstall it and have to reactivate it | Feb 13 00:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Should MS decide that XP once it goes off life support, should not longer be activated, what happens? | Feb 13 00:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But there is a very good side to WAT and WGA. It will further drive the flight of some Windows users to GNU/Linux | Feb 13 01:00 |
| cubezzz | heh, that re-activation stuff must be off-putting | Feb 13 01:00 |
| MinceR | at least of the users who have more than two brain cells | Feb 13 01:00 |
| MinceR | and they are rare | Feb 13 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR>agreed! | Feb 13 01:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft makes #Vista7 even worse by adding a user-hostile ‘feature’ to it http://ur1.ca/m7o5 #antifeature #suicide | Feb 13 01:01 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | whatever MS does in windows Seven for WAT/WGA, expect them at some point to do more stealth updates to XP in the same way | Feb 13 01:02 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft _is_ user hostile | Feb 13 01:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as the profits decline | Feb 13 01:03 |
| cubezzz | even employee hostile | Feb 13 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has no users | Feb 13 01:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Feb 13 01:03 |
| schestowitz | It has customers | Feb 13 01:03 |
| schestowitz | But it does not respect them | Feb 13 01:03 |
| schestowitz | They are not clients | Feb 13 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Just consumers/customers | Feb 13 01:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why we are in fact living in the future http://is.gd/8gNn0 HT @cholten99 | Feb 13 01:03 | |
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| cubezzz | it's barely even voluntary | Feb 13 01:04 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft was a medical doctor, it would be a quack | Feb 13 01:04 |
| cubezzz | you need to go out of your way to get a non proprietary box | Feb 13 01:04 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, your article on the Zune was right on the other day. I took a friend to Frys the other day, and was waiting near the entrance. The first thing in there, was a shopping cart with Zune docks in them, They were marked down from $29.95 to $9.99, no rebates , just maked down. | Feb 13 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They are dumping the Zune accessories first | Feb 13 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a clear sign | Feb 13 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | While waiting, I say two people pick up the Zune dock box, look at it for awhile, and put it back down. | Feb 13 01:08 |
| ThistleWeb | probs looking it it's work with their iPod | Feb 13 01:09 |
| cubezzz | this looks interesting: | Feb 13 01:09 |
| cubezzz | http://www.iyonix.com/ | Feb 13 01:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They probably thought it was an actual Zune, and might be worth the $9.99 price. | Feb 13 01:09 |
| ThistleWeb | true, ebay | Feb 13 01:09 |
| MinceR | i suspect this webpage is old | Feb 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | intel sold XScale long ago :> | Feb 13 01:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Zune has been a failure in sales here in the USA. And the only reason to try to sell it in other countries, would be to dump the remaining non-moving stock | Feb 13 01:11 |
| cubezzz | OEMs should _love_ Linux | Feb 13 01:11 |
| cubezzz | Zune is just crap, don't give it a second thought | Feb 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | news end in 2006 | Feb 13 01:12 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Feb 13 01:12 |
| cubezzz | who else makes a arm based desktop? | Feb 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | dunno | Feb 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | obviously, acorn used to | Feb 13 01:13 |
| cubezzz | I'd buy a motherboard for sure, with cpu | Feb 13 01:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> They are called Laptop PCs: Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC) on Ebay here in the USA http://computers.shop.ebay.com/PC-Laptops-Netbooks-/177/i.html?Type=Ultra%2520Mobile%2520PC%2520%2528UMPC%2529&_catref=1&_dmpt=Laptops_Nov05&_fln=1&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282 | Feb 13 01:19 |
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| oiaohm | At this stage there are not generic arm motherboards | Feb 13 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are not all ARM or Mips or Loogson | Feb 13 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | some are Intel in that catagory | Feb 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | Loongson is MIPS, isn't it? | Feb 13 01:20 |
| oiaohm | mips/x86 hybred. | Feb 13 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie mips with extra instructions to help with x86 emulation. | Feb 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 13 01:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | last time I looked (been awhile) on Ebay its was all Windows CE krap | Feb 13 01:24 |
| schestowitz | [01:07] <Chips_B_Malroy> They are dumping the Zune accessories first | Feb 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: the Microsoft spinner have a new line | Feb 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | They respond to it by saying fluff about "Zune phone" | Feb 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Which is nonsense | Feb 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Prepare for Microsoft to quit with honour | Feb 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | It cannot give the impression that it suffered a defeat to Apple | Feb 13 01:26 |
| MinceR | how can they avoid that? | Feb 13 01:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest Deception for Internet Explorer 8 and #Vista8 http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/12/msie-spin-and-huffington-vaporware/ | Feb 13 01:27 | |
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| MinceR | the rumors say winblows phone 7 is going to be crappier -- more like the hypePhone os | Feb 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: spin | Feb 13 01:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no multitasking | Feb 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | They make it worse | Feb 13 01:28 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Worse if the new better :-) | Feb 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Less is more | Feb 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | They've tried to improve it and failed | Feb 13 01:28 |
| MinceR | if they also make it .net-only then they'll outdo hypePhone os | Feb 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | So they've figured, "hey, let's try the opposite approach" | Feb 13 01:28 |
| MinceR | maybe that will be the key to victory? :> | Feb 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Monovell will love it | Feb 13 01:29 |
| MinceR | "most crap, most expensive featurephone wins"? | Feb 13 01:29 |
| oiaohm | The .net only is already a failure. | Feb 13 01:29 |
| schestowitz | MVP Miguel de Icaza will need his diapers changed (too muc excitement) | Feb 13 01:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.windowsfordevices.com/c/a/Windows-For-Devices-Articles/SPOTlight-on-Microsofts-SPOT-Technology/ << People love forgetting about this. | Feb 13 01:31 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | My take on WinMo7 is that its not so much for phones, but for those ARM computers on EBAY coming soon. | Feb 13 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Now who do you know with a MS SPOT watch. | Feb 13 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bill Gates | Feb 13 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | had | Feb 13 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Not even he wears one these days. | Feb 13 01:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] OpenOffice 3.2 is *way* faster than 3.1. Calc startup from cold goes from 7 sec to 2 sec. | Feb 13 01:32 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Clearly even Ballmer should know by now that WinMo is lost on phones, MS will never make money there | Feb 13 01:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] *Dramatisation of typical tweet | Feb 13 01:34 | |
| MinceR | why ebay? | Feb 13 01:34 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> EBAY, because M$ controls the OEM channel tightly here in the USA. It is only place you likely at this point to by an ARM computer from overseas seller | Feb 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 13 01:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | OEM's fear MS, righty so | Feb 13 01:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sell OS/2, well you cost of a windows licence just went up by $10 per | Feb 13 01:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | IBM | Feb 13 01:38 |
| schestowitz | http://start.ubuntu.com/8.10/ | Feb 13 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/ | Feb 13 01:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I noticed that Nick at M$ Watch, managed to get 14 comments on one of his articles, a record. It was about the battery problems in Seven, all the comments had dead batteries. | Feb 13 01:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Major fluke after a major case of unavailability affecting #Microsoft ’s volume licensing site http://ur1.ca/m7rb #privacy | Feb 13 01:49 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | the xp update that hosed systems. MS found someone to blame, rootkits! Yes they blame Malware again. Sad thing is if Windows came off the self, more secure by default, its doubtful they would have anyone to blame but themselves. As in MS created the problem in the first place by making the default install of windows, insecure. | Feb 13 01:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can't say for sure, but it looked like the XBox360 space at Fry's shunk | Feb 13 01:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe half of what it was | Feb 13 01:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *shrunk | Feb 13 01:55 |
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| cubezzz | ok, I just learned something :) | Feb 13 01:59 |
| cubezzz | new router can't work with lynx | Feb 13 02:00 |
| cubezzz | di-604up not happy with lynx | Feb 13 02:00 |
| cubezzz | new fangled devices let me down _again_ | Feb 13 02:01 |
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| cubezzz | back to normal, yay | Feb 13 02:02 |
| cubezzz | not happy about losing functionality, but at least I know for certain it won't work | Feb 13 02:03 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm was right | Feb 13 02:03 |
| MinceR | the browser? | Feb 13 02:06 |
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| cubezzz | lynx can't work properly with dlink router di-604up | Feb 13 02:06 |
| cubezzz | it worked fine with the older di-704p | Feb 13 02:06 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 13 02:07 |
| MinceR | weird | Feb 13 02:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=25218 some more Silverlight/Moonlight | Feb 13 02:07 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I should have put that up when Jono was still here | Feb 13 02:08 |
| cubezzz | maybe the text colour is black on black? | Feb 13 02:10 |
| cubezzz | worth a try :) | Feb 13 02:10 |
| cubezzz | lynx seems to want to always make the background black | Feb 13 02:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its very fast (lynx) if you get it going, no images to load | Feb 13 02:11 |
| cubezzz | it seems to login as admin, then nothing | Feb 13 02:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there are several like it, thinking elinks, or elynx too | Feb 13 02:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Search Page Links to #Microsoft Datacentres http://ur1.ca/m7sd This saddens me greatly | Feb 13 02:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's easier to shun Silver Lie | Feb 13 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Its scarecely adopted | Feb 13 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Same with ActiveX | Feb 13 02:16 |
| schestowitz | We get by in GNU/Linux even w/o activex | Feb 13 02:16 |
| cubezzz | w3m does the same thing | Feb 13 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Banks know it's not supported by 40% of the browser users out there | Feb 13 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Let Silver Lie become abandonware like Shockwave | Feb 13 02:17 |
| cubezzz | stupid dlink :) | Feb 13 02:17 |
| cubezzz | surely Banks don't use flash or Silver whatever it's called | Feb 13 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, Silverlight might be gaining some. I really hope it dies, as Adobe Flash is more open in the fact that they support most platforms. I thought, comment #7 might be userful | Feb 13 02:20 |
| cubezzz | this does mean I need X to configure my router though | Feb 13 02:20 |
| cubezzz | I hope flash dies too | Feb 13 02:21 |
| cubezzz | it's just used to obfuscate things | Feb 13 02:21 |
| cubezzz | makes the browsers more likely to crash | Feb 13 02:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Silverlight dies, so won't Mono/Moonlight, IMO | Feb 13 02:26 |
| cubezzz | won't? | Feb 13 02:28 |
| cubezzz | I don't know a single person who uses Moonlight | Feb 13 02:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *will | Feb 13 02:29 |
| cubezzz | that's what I thought you meant :) | Feb 13 02:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there is no real use of Moonlight | Feb 13 02:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | unless you are into Silverlight advertisements | Feb 13 02:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you know, the punch Bush in the mouth ads, or wack a mole type that flash used | Feb 13 02:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Moonlight is defective in that its really only going to show Silverlight advertisements, and no premo content | Feb 13 02:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just the way MS wanted it | Feb 13 02:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | USELESS | Feb 13 02:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://cgi.ebay.com/Smart-V7-Mobile-Internet-Device-MID-UMPC-HDMI-1080P_W0QQitemZ330368696034QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item4ceb823ee2 | Feb 13 02:45 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | $229 | Feb 13 02:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | About all I see there Cubezzz | Feb 13 02:47 |
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| yuhong | Did you see the comments to http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/windows-xp-unbootable/? | Feb 13 02:52 |
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| yuhong | I actually agree with a troll here. | Feb 13 02:52 |
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| schestowitz | What's Silver Lie written in? | Feb 13 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Remember that Moblin is getting Silver Lie compiled for it | Feb 13 02:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LiMo ( #Linux ) Player Sues #Microsoft and #Apple for #SoftwarePatent Violations http://ur1.ca/m7uf | Feb 13 03:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Fully free GNU/Linux presentation: http://ur1.ca/m7lj - thanks for a great talk. | Feb 13 04:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | I am stuffed. fajita chicken taco salad...mmmmmm | Feb 13 04:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Currently in #24camp with @sup3rkiddo :D #woot | Feb 13 04:12 | |
| *DaemonFC is glad he is used to his grandmother being there at family events or it might not be digesting so well | Feb 13 04:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] wow, the Gwibber team seem to have heard the deafening complaints about the UI | Feb 13 04:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh, Terminator 2 in HD :) | Feb 13 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | WOW!, One bug I filed on 3-30-09 in Ubuntu has been fixed, and not by Ubuntu, in Debian | Feb 13 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Feb 13 04:33 |
| Aondo | :) | Feb 13 04:33 |
| cubezzz | why not just use Debian? :) | Feb 13 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | low priority bug, just a useless disk write caused by crap being written to the WPA Supplicant log every 2 minutes | Feb 13 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 13 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | its been changed to a debug message that's not going to be logged now :) | Feb 13 04:35 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather be on wired | Feb 13 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | almost nobody would notice this, but it's best to minimize writes to the disk nonetheless | Feb 13 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | especially for SSDs | Feb 13 04:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Alex Brown, Miguel de Icaza, and Full-time #Microsoft Employee Smear #ODF Again http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/12/msft-gameplay-vs-odf/ | Feb 13 04:36 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Alex Brown, Miguel de Icaza, and Full-time Microsoft Employee Smear ODF Again | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.3 KB | Feb 13 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those little eyesores that can gang up if not kept in check | Feb 13 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm pedantic about what causes unnecessary disk activity | Feb 13 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/wpasupplicant/+bug/352118 | Feb 13 04:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug #352118 in wpasupplicant (Debian): “WPA writes possibly unnecessary messages to the system log” .::. Size~: 61.52 KB | Feb 13 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I report it then several months later in Debian.... | Feb 13 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539915 | Feb 13 04:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: #539915 - wpasupplicant: Spams syslog with CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS - Debian Bug report logs .::. Size~: 26.71 KB | Feb 13 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the guy that patched my bug pinned the patch into the Ubuntu bug, no Ubuntu guys noticed or cared | Feb 13 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | so he fixed it in Debian and now Ubuntu will be fixed in 10.04 cause of pulling in Debian Sid packages as their base :) | Feb 13 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | moral of the story is that you should fix things in Debian if you care how things work in Ubuntu | Feb 13 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 04:42 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Two more girls @AishwaryaMB and parkavin just joined us for #24camp | Feb 13 04:42 | |
| DaemonFC | isn't that right, jono | Feb 13 04:42 |
| oiaohm | The normal upstream downstream problem. DaemonFC | Feb 13 04:57 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I've seen some rather massive patches hitting Mesa lately | Feb 13 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | like >500 lines | Feb 13 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | some well over 1500 | Feb 13 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | gives me some hope about it actually working soon | Feb 13 05:03 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Now @cnu and lavanya joins us for #24camp | Feb 13 05:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "3 types of #code which are especially prone to have bugs: New code, complicated code, & rarely-used code" Colin Percival #security #freebsd | Feb 13 05:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] wow looks like the winter #olympics got every single thing wrong. starting with the incumbent government. #harper #fail | Feb 13 05:52 | |
| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/ppa-purge | Feb 13 05:55 |
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| DaemonFC | I just had to use that to save my system from xorg-edgers | Feb 13 05:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] No matter what I do, my wife has me pegged as a #nerd, not a #geek. C'est la vie, eh | Feb 13 05:56 | |
| DaemonFC | maybe in France or Canada | Feb 13 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Ok openoffice 3.2 really does move. | Feb 13 06:04 |
| *DaemonFC shakes oiaohm by the collar | Feb 13 06:05 | |
| DaemonFC | What's up with the vesafb.ko crap!? :P | Feb 13 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | Tell meeeeeeeee!!!!! | Feb 13 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even use it, why is X complaining that it can't read it? :) | Feb 13 06:05 |
| cubezzz | look in your conf files | Feb 13 06:09 |
| oiaohm | Never had that problem DaemonFC | Feb 13 06:13 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Python-for-S60-version-2-0-released-929248.html | Feb 13 06:15 |
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| cubezzz | I've been getting this error for 6 years :) | Feb 13 06:20 |
| cubezzz | (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such device) | Feb 13 06:20 |
| cubezzz | I don't lose any sleep over it | Feb 13 06:20 |
| cubezzz | mail kernel: apm: disabled - APM is not SMP safe. | Feb 13 06:22 |
| cubezzz | plus | Feb 13 06:22 |
| cubezzz | ACPI disabled because your bios is from 99 and too old :) | Feb 13 06:22 |
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| cubezzz | do I really need keybdev module? | Feb 13 06:39 |
| cubezzz | lsmod says unused | Feb 13 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't get why it complains about things that don't even get loaded | Feb 13 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | lmao, cubezzz, I had to listen to my grandmother talking about Benny Hinn *facepalm* | Feb 13 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | "His parents were Catholic, but they got saved before they died" | Feb 13 06:49 |
| cubezzz | ? | Feb 13 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't help but groan and mumble "And how exactly does that work?" | Feb 13 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | she looked annoyed at me | Feb 13 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | Christians don't only hate others, they hate other Christians | Feb 13 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | that amuses me | Feb 13 06:50 |
| cubezzz | uhh, yeah it's not supposed to work that way | Feb 13 06:51 |
| cubezzz | it's kind of like me making an anti-Ubuntu remark | Feb 13 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I used to read those Chic tracts they pass out at her church, they're funny | Feb 13 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's a global conspiracy of Satanists, Homosexuals, Jews, and Catholics plotting against the Protestants | Feb 13 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 13 06:53 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerance_(film) | Feb 13 06:53 |
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| cubezzz | I'd suggest reading about Martin Luther if you want to understand Protestants | Feb 13 06:54 |
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| DaemonFC | Obviously not wanting to start a fight, I didn't mention that Protestantism is just a fork of Catholicism | Feb 13 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | that would have got her going | Feb 13 06:54 |
| cubezzz | she might not understand what you mean by "fork" | Feb 13 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | and Protestants also copied over some of the "pagan rituals" she's talking about | Feb 13 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | like the Feast of the Undying Sun (Christmas) | Feb 13 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | and Easter | Feb 13 06:55 |
| cubezzz | I had lots of Catholic friends | Feb 13 06:55 |
| cubezzz | we all got along fine | Feb 13 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | Protestants are a fork of Catholics which are a co-fork of paganism alongside Islam and Judaism | Feb 13 06:56 |
| cubezzz | I even have friends you use Windows 7 :) | Feb 13 06:56 |
| cubezzz | you=who | Feb 13 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's bad, cause everytime there's a fork, the religion gets purged of moderates and becomes a more refined hatred with more of a sense of purpose | Feb 13 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's scary | Feb 13 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while the Mormons, the Protestants, and the Catholics have an orgy | Feb 13 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | like the Prop 8 deal | Feb 13 06:58 |
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| DaemonFC | instead of throwing money towards ending world hunger or helping the homeless, they throw millions of dollars at making gay marriage illegal again in California | Feb 13 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | and that should really tell anyone where they're coming from | Feb 13 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | hundreds of thousands of people across the world die every day of exposure or starvation, and we're worried about gay marriage? | Feb 13 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | After that I decided that I never really wanted to be told again how much good the Christians do across the world. | Feb 13 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | why can't they spend that money on mosquito nets to fight malaria? | Feb 13 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | this is the part where the libertarian argument that if we ended food stamps and medicaid that "private charity" would step up to the plate to fill in | Feb 13 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | *falls apart | Feb 13 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's about enough private charity out there to account for about 0.5% of the public safety net's current load | Feb 13 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/us/12nurses.html | Feb 13 07:09 |
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| DaemonFC | One good thing the court system did today :) | Feb 13 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, We need more laws to indemnify whistleblowers, and in some cases, have the witness protection program of the FBI protect them | Feb 13 07:10 |
| *DaemonFC would probably make a better politician than most of the ones we have :) | Feb 13 07:11 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Good, @salva_eswar created a patch to fix cricscore applet, will test it by afternoon. #24camp | Feb 13 07:12 | |
| DaemonFC | "Witnesses testified that they had heard Mrs. Mitchell refer to Dr. Arafiles, a proponent of alternative medicine and herbal remedies, as a “witch doctor.” " | Feb 13 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Feb 13 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's funny that every time they scientifically test these herbal witch doctor remedies, they end up finding that they do nothing except bilk people out of money | Feb 13 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | oh these rotten bastards!!!!! | Feb 13 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | I just downloaded 2 GB of movie and it's in Spanish | Feb 13 07:17 |
| oiaohm | Really some herbal things turn out to be 100 percent right. | Feb 13 07:17 |
| oiaohm | Like the old chinise med treatmean for liver failure. | Feb 13 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I have some beach front property in Oklahoma | Feb 13 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | prime real estate :D | Feb 13 07:18 |
| oiaohm | One of my relations are alive now due to the old chinise treatment. By western medial they should have been dead in under 1 month. Ok modern day medical don't understand it yet. But here it used basically as the last option. | Feb 13 07:22 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: also people forget how many drugs we use today that were extracted from herbal remedies. | Feb 13 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8577/screenshotkk.png | Feb 13 07:26 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 07:26 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Scientology traffics in humans http://ur1.ca/m87x #anonymous | Feb 13 07:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | 1 billion year Sea Org contract | Feb 13 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, "alternative medicine" is basically just placebos and wishful thinking | Feb 13 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | none of it really works, it's like believing in magic | Feb 13 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | "garlic reduces your serum LDL cholesterol levels", it does marginally | Feb 13 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | but if you're 66 points over then a 5-10 point decrease doesn't help you a lot | Feb 13 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | you take real medicine, it goes down more than the 66 points | Feb 13 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | and takes your triglycerides down too | Feb 13 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing to be said for the garlic is that the price is right :) | Feb 13 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Proper chinese herbalist will match or pass that. | Feb 13 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Reason some of the drugs used for that is based off there herbs. DaemonFC | Feb 13 07:34 |
| oiaohm | Mind you I would prefer to take the western mediance over the chinese. The western tastes way better. | Feb 13 07:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Just tested the New Free/Libre RMS GNU/Linux distro V1.3 (Including KDE 3.5). Love IT! http://rmsgnulinux.org/index.php?page=rms | Feb 13 07:35 | |
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| oiaohm | Remember chinese herbalists have a full formal quals. Biggest problem we have is a lot of people set up doing alternative medicina who don't know what they are doing. Chinese herbalists use data got over a long time on what works and what does not. | Feb 13 07:36 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Yummy!! #woot RT: @sup3rkiddo @anthoni_shogan sponsoring Pizzas for everyone, #24camp... Be there... | Feb 13 07:37 | |
| DaemonFC | they use whatever you'll believe to sell you whatever you'll buy | Feb 13 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Chinese herbalists results have time and time again past inspection. | Feb 13 07:38 |
| oiaohm | If it does not pass modern day medical inspection they stop doing it. DaemonFC | Feb 13 07:39 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicinal_mushrooms More we get to understand Chinese herbalists. The more drugs we find. But lot of theres are a lot more complex. Ie a + b +c the some heat produces a few new chemicals that are need to treat problem. | Feb 13 07:46 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Mmm Burger RT: @cnu @anthoni_shogan's pizza treat is postponed to burger treat at 5PM. #24camp | Feb 13 07:47 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: the bad part with grouping like alternative medicine is stuff that should not be treated badly gets mixed up with items that should be. | Feb 13 07:54 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #24camp RT: @cnu: So @yuvipanda means "Yuvraj Pandian" #discovery | Feb 13 08:22 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, noticed earlier, the "Windows Activation is Spyware" lawsuit got thrown out | Feb 13 08:25 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] [pic] RT: @cnu all busy working at serendio for #24camp except @sup3rkiddo and @cnu http://twitpic.com/12y2rj | Feb 13 08:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] [pic] RT: @cnu another pic at serendio during #24camp http://twitpic.com/12y32n | Feb 13 08:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] *Awesomeness* @sup3rkiddo made coffee for every one :D | Feb 13 08:42 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: yep now that MS won that they will step it up a level again. | Feb 13 08:51 |
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| DaemonFC | the mayor just fired 9 more people in the water and sewer departments and trash day will be biweekly now | Feb 13 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | yay capitalism, yay low taxes! | Feb 13 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | this could go on until there are no more public services unless you're rich enough to hire out :) | Feb 13 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | they still haven't laid off one single police officer | Feb 13 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | have to make those marijuana bust quotas I guess | Feb 13 09:17 |
| *amarsh04 solved a problem of KDE 3.5.10 not starting up with KMS by simply inserting a "sleep 5" in /etc/init.d/kdm before actually running kdm | Feb 13 09:17 | |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 13 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just use GNOME than hang onto an abandonware version of KDE that was the last thing they put out that didn't suck | Feb 13 09:18 |
| amarsh04 | nothing like race conditions | Feb 13 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | something about the idea that the software I use will never be anything more than it is now doesn't sit well with me | Feb 13 09:19 |
| oiaohm | Same fault can effect GDM as well DaemonFC | Feb 13 09:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically video stack not ready for data. DaemonFC | Feb 13 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | they're going to "unofficially" carry a heavily patched KDE 3.5.10 in Ubuntu Lucid | Feb 13 09:19 |
| oiaohm | Nothing that badly wrong with KDE 4.3 | Feb 13 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I generally dislike some parts of KDE (if not officially part of it though) | Feb 13 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | Gstreamer beats Xine for example | Feb 13 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Backend i am using from KDE 4.3 is Gstreamer | Feb 13 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva uses gstreamer in KDE by default | Feb 13 09:21 |
| oiaohm | The KDE standard default is gstreamer | Feb 13 09:22 |
| oiaohm | from 4.3 on. | Feb 13 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | Xine is jut not easy to extend and there's no legal plugins for it for MPEG and WMA | Feb 13 09:22 |
| oiaohm | So if a distribution served you up xine by default that is there alteration. | Feb 13 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to try Slackware, I just never do | Feb 13 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | especially now that they have Slackware64 | Feb 13 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Really I would prefer a mplayer back end option for KDE. | Feb 13 09:24 |
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| oiaohm | There are a lot of files I have that play perfect in mplayerhq yet fail with gstreamer or xine or vlc | Feb 13 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | gstreamer always play what I throw at it | Feb 13 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | *plays | Feb 13 09:27 |
| oiaohm | I have a few low compression videos gstreamer hates. | Feb 13 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Results of local 3d renders. | Feb 13 09:30 |
| oiaohm | My I am starting to see some eager patches. People are starting to put forward patches for 2.6.34 even that 2.6.33 is not released yet. | Feb 13 10:01 |
| schestowitz | window is closed | Feb 13 10:21 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Feb 13 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | morning | Feb 13 10:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Google adopts new "Do, however, be stupid" policy http://is.gd/8ifnJ | Feb 13 10:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | lmao, I found the Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun soundtrack B-) | Feb 13 10:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #TheLostSymbol, chapter 62 now! | Feb 13 10:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Roundup: News from Scandinavia, #OpenOffice .org 3.2, and #Symphony 3.0 Beta 2 2 http://ur1.ca/m8gf | Feb 13 10:38 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 13 10:39 |
| pawel_111 | hi | Feb 13 10:39 |
| pawel_111 | http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2010/02/09/please-dont-rewrite-softwares-written-in-net | Feb 13 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Hi Omar87 | Feb 13 10:39 |
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| Omar87 | Does my tweets appear even if I'm not connected to the channel? | Feb 13 10:39 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, oh, hi! | Feb 13 10:39 |
| pawel_111 | some another mono evangelist which is a gnome dev (link) | Feb 13 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBqv2iHHcac&feature=related | Feb 13 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTV-tm19Y08&feature=related | Feb 13 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | love these games | Feb 13 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3K-jRXij-w&feature=related | Feb 13 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 13 10:43 |
| pawel_111 | I find strange BN is against MS monopoly and unfairness, Novell unfairness and against Mono which is Windows API on Linux, but BN is not against Gnome started by Ximian and Icaza who's Mono, MS OOXML evangelist. Gnome is infected by Novell's Mono and Moonlight. There are also many pro MS, C# and OOXML advertisements at planet.gnome. From one side you're against all this MS bull, but it seems you support Gnome which is based on it. Strange IMHO. | Feb 13 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | I use GNOME, I actually hate integration of apps, KDE seems to be one giant indigestible piece where by the time you're done you actually have the KDE version of an application and then the one you want to use | Feb 13 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the first time you bring in something useful, it wants GTK+ libraries and such anyway | Feb 13 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | The Windows Way is to end up with two programs for every task because the one that came with Windows is useless or counterproductive and you can't get rid of it | Feb 13 10:59 |
| pawel_111 | DaemonFC: it seems Gnome devs are going to integrate Gnome desktop | Feb 13 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | to me it seems like minimal overhead to have GNOME Shell | Feb 13 11:00 |
| pawel_111 | I'm talking about this .NET | Feb 13 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is actually not a dependency of anything important in GNOME | Feb 13 11:01 |
| pawel_111 | Daemon: maybe not yet | Feb 13 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | I think you'll lose Tomboy and F-Spot if you remove Mono from Ubuntu | Feb 13 11:01 |
| pawel_111 | Daemon: then comes Banshee over Rhythmbox and who knows what will be next? | Feb 13 11:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] As i don't want to go into 'seat of pants programming' , i started practising python #24camp | Feb 13 11:02 | |
| DaemonFC | well, people say the sky is falling in every time they make a mono version of a software category that already has ten others that are at least that good | Feb 13 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | I see it as, if they want to waste their time duplicating stuff and possibly get themselves sued, that's their problem | Feb 13 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Canonical, Fedora, Mandriva, etc. HELL, even Debian, have more than a few lawyers that put their seal of approval on anything they do | Feb 13 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | err, Red Hat is responsible for everything Fedora does, and Red Hat has many lawyers | Feb 13 11:04 |
| pawel_111 | it seems those are .NET people who duplicate things, the same about Gnome - it copies from KDE | Feb 13 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | it just seems to me as if "Maybe if that many corporate lawyers gave this the green light, maybe there is some over-reaction out there in the anti-mono crowd" | Feb 13 11:05 |
| pawel_111 | it seems one of the reasons Gnome is using .NET is because they want to catch up with KDE | Feb 13 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, I'm not a company with gazillions of dollars to lose, you aren't either | Feb 13 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not a lawyer, and I doubt you are | Feb 13 11:06 |
| pawel_111 | nope, I'm not | Feb 13 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not going to risk being sued over Mono, and neither are you | Feb 13 11:06 |
| pawel_111 | no, I'm talking about different thing | Feb 13 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | with Red Hat alone taking responsibility over shipping Mono, that puts a big doubt in my mind if mono is something to be afraid of | Feb 13 11:07 |
| pawel_111 | I don't care about patents too much | Feb 13 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | and it's only stand-alone applications that depend on it, not GNOME itself | Feb 13 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | you can replace anything that Mono has an app for | Feb 13 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Really you have not listerned to the lead of mono. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:08 |
| pawel_111 | some people lobby to use Gnome, to make it default in some core distros (it's already done), some Gnome dev was in charge in Fedora and he decided Gnome will be default, the same about Novell and Enterprise SuSe | Feb 13 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like you're going to uninstall half of GNOME and make your system unbootable to get rid of Mono | Feb 13 11:08 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: why? | Feb 13 11:08 |
| oiaohm | At one point he went as far as saying the full gnome windows manager should be writen in .net. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:08 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: yes, I heard this | Feb 13 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | at that point, I would leave | Feb 13 11:09 |
| oiaohm | That caused lots of lead gnome developers to basically throw chairs at him. | Feb 13 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | and that's probably got the _BASELESS_ accusation that GNOME-Shell is written in .Net going (It's NOT) | Feb 13 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | *what got | Feb 13 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Now if mono techincal merts developers would not be able to rip shreds out of him. | Feb 13 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Even I can rip shreds out of the lead of mono on techical grounds. | Feb 13 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Lot of what mono does makes it heavy on ram. | Feb 13 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's still the same ONE application in GNOME (the OFFICIAL GNOME) that depends on Mono, and that is Tomboy, and that has been there since 2006 and GNOME 2.16 | Feb 13 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 11:10 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: yes, mono is RAM consuming | Feb 13 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | and that will hold true in GNOME 3.0 | Feb 13 11:10 |
| oiaohm | What kind of ram it key as well. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:11 |
| pawel_111 | DaemonFC: so the main problem is planet-gnome with their mono fanboys | Feb 13 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | now your distro may ship whatever they ship, but F-Spot and Banshee are not official GNOME projects | Feb 13 11:11 |
| oiaohm | The kind of ram that has to go to swap when you run out of memory. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | Gimp and Gthumb, and Rhythmbox are | Feb 13 11:11 |
| oiaohm | gnote is also offical. | Feb 13 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | Rhythmbox didn't have official status in GNOME until the end of 2008 | Feb 13 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | it was considered a "fun extra" for ages | Feb 13 11:12 |
| oiaohm | So even sticking to offical you don't need to ship mono | Feb 13 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | but it was in every GNOME distro anyway | Feb 13 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Is Gnote still going? The author left it some time ago and apologized for the "appearance" that he was trying to undermine Mono | Feb 13 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 11:12 |
| pawel_111 | so, we've got Gnome and Mono apps made for Gnome? | Feb 13 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy is some mega-bloat | Feb 13 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | disk writes every minute even if it's ifling | Feb 13 11:13 |
| pawel_111 | Tobmoy is a big cow | Feb 13 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | 44 MB of RAM idling | Feb 13 11:13 |
| pawel_111 | exactly | Feb 13 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | some distros even ship with it running! | Feb 13 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu likes it's Mono stuff | Feb 13 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes gnote is still going. Last release was 31 of dec 2009 DaemonFC | Feb 13 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | Tom Boy | Feb 13 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | F-Spot | Feb 13 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | you know, it's a little incomsiderate to people trying to poke along with 256 MB of RAM to have a note applet running taking about 1/6th of their RAM | Feb 13 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | (Tomboy) | Feb 13 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Fedora/redhat developer picked it up DaemonFC | Feb 13 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora has got rid of Mono from the default install | Feb 13 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | or whatever I read before | Feb 13 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep so gnote is the only good option they have for gnome envorment for note taking. | Feb 13 11:15 |
| pawel_111 | sebsebseb: I thought they don't ship moonlight, but they ship Mono | Feb 13 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | pawel_111, Tomboy applet takes more RAM to start and run than Windows 98 | Feb 13 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Fedora ships neither. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | think about this for a minute | Feb 13 11:15 |
| pawel_111 | DaemonFC: I know :) | Feb 13 11:15 |
| oiaohm | mono and moonlight are both in breach of Fedora application policy. | Feb 13 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | then why are they there? | Feb 13 11:16 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: good to hear this | Feb 13 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | shouldn't the Fedora Mono Police come do something? :) | Feb 13 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | I like Ubuntu more than I hate Mono and Yahell I suppose | Feb 13 11:17 |
| pawel_111 | I wonder why Gnome "people" don't do something which planet gnome, it's place for advertisement MS and Novel products | Feb 13 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | but they are making it more difficult to justify using them when they do this | Feb 13 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | my biggest beef with Mono is how bloated every app written with it is | Feb 13 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | taking at least a third more RAM than an app like that should | Feb 13 11:18 |
| pawel_111 | DaemonFC: I have the same feeling | Feb 13 11:18 |
| oiaohm | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_Alpha_release_notes#GNOME_2.28 | Feb 13 11:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fedora 12 Alpha release notes - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 44.57 KB | Feb 13 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's like we're trying to nudge the OS requirements up so that less people can use it | Feb 13 11:18 |
| oiaohm | I like the justification away from the policy sheet. | Feb 13 11:18 |
| oiaohm | Cannot include mono because it takes too much space. | Feb 13 11:19 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: thanks for the link | Feb 13 11:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lets hope for a better day of computing....providing O2 plays nicely. | Feb 13 11:20 | |
| oiaohm | There is a application policy sheet around for fedora I cannot find at this time. | Feb 13 11:20 |
| oiaohm | It includes why particular codecs and the like are not default as well pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:21 |
| pawel_111 | DaemonFC: yes, Gnome should be considered like less reasoruce consuming DE, but Mono make it slughish | Feb 13 11:21 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: yes, I read about this somewhere | Feb 13 11:21 |
| oiaohm | http://newstechnica.com/2010/01/30/microsoft-phases-out-support-for-netscape-4-so-there/ Like anyone is going to notice. | Feb 13 11:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft phases out support for Netscape 4, so there | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 39.26 KB | Feb 13 11:22 |
| oiaohm | I don't remember seeing netscape 4 in years. | Feb 13 11:23 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: I thougt it's dead already | Feb 13 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Yet MS is PR tried to make it it a big thing. | Feb 13 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like MS PR being a laugh ever 3 months. | Feb 13 11:26 |
| oiaohm | ever/every | Feb 13 11:26 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: yep :) | Feb 13 11:27 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk3OQ Oboy | Feb 13 11:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Ubuntu 10.04's Nouveau Stack Gets Ready .::. Size~: 16.47 KB | Feb 13 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu developers thinking they are sane enough to back port a large patch set. | Feb 13 11:28 |
| oiaohm | What is wrong with releasing a release with 2 kernels. | Feb 13 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Ie new features and old and stable. | Feb 13 11:29 |
| pawel_111 | this would be a great thing, 2.6.33 should be ready soon | Feb 13 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Yet ubuntu is going to stick to 2.6.32 and backport a huge patch set. | Feb 13 11:30 |
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| _Goblin | bonjour | Feb 13 11:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] This will piss of Flatfish ... RT: @Kletskous: How to run a sound studio on Gnu Linux: http://is.gd/8imIm | Feb 13 11:31 | |
| _Goblin | lol | Feb 13 11:31 |
| _Goblin | that Sound util argument still going on COLA? | Feb 13 11:32 |
| _Goblin | great stuff. | Feb 13 11:32 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: I forget, I read 2.6.33 should be easy instalable for new Ubuntu | Feb 13 11:32 |
| pawel_111 | oiaohm: maybe from repository or rather from some ppa | Feb 13 11:33 |
| pawel_111 | Goblin: hi | Feb 13 11:33 |
| oiaohm | People fail to think the Nouveau update does not only effect X11 it also effect Framebuffer. Ie text mode. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically if it goes south it will go south in a big way. pawel_111 | Feb 13 11:34 |
| oiaohm | So personally I would have went for one kernel with it and one kernel without it. | Feb 13 11:34 |
| pawel_111 | this would be good | Feb 13 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Basically there is no logically good reason to back port something like Nouveau | Feb 13 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | Nouveau will never be usable by most Nvidia users | Feb 13 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Never is a very long time. DaemonFC | Feb 13 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | the x.org ati driver is more or less done and Mesa is what's holding it back | Feb 13 11:36 |
| _Goblin | pawel_111: Hi! | Feb 13 11:37 |
| _Goblin | pawel_111: new vistor here? | Feb 13 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | even if Nouveau ever became useful to most Geforce owners, it still would suffer from whatever Mesa is lacking | Feb 13 11:37 |
| pawel_111 | Goblin: I came from time to time here :) | Feb 13 11:37 |
| pawel_111 | come* | Feb 13 11:38 |
| _Goblin | pawel_111: ah...great stuff! Nice to meet you. | Feb 13 11:38 |
| pawel_111 | it's nice to meet you too | Feb 13 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, they had a choice, oiaohm | Feb 13 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | no Nouveau or backport it | Feb 13 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Or take the sane option. DaemonFC | Feb 13 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's not in 2.6.32 mainline, but 2.6.33 won't be supported for an extra long time | Feb 13 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Exactly why. 2.6.33 will be out 2 months before the final release. | Feb 13 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | 2.6.32 is one of those rare special kernels that lives on for a couple years or more | Feb 13 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | last one was 2.6.27 | Feb 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes | Feb 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | About every 5 versions. or just over a year apart. | Feb 13 11:40 |
| oiaohm | But 2.6.32 is intented to be the stable for a while. | Feb 13 11:41 |
| oiaohm | So you really should not be messing with it. | Feb 13 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Other wise maintainces patches to 2.6.32 will have to be tested against alterations. | Feb 13 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Altering something like 2.6.33 that is not going to last as long is way less resource costing. | Feb 13 11:42 |
| oiaohm | That it is special class is another reason not to touch it. DaemonFC | Feb 13 11:43 |
| _Goblin | don't want to tempt fate but O2 seems ok today | Feb 13 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk2OQ | Feb 13 11:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] DirectX 10/11 Coming Atop Gallium3D .::. Size~: 15.81 KB | Feb 13 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX coming to Linux? :D | Feb 13 11:46 |
| pawel_111 | DaemonFC: I read their forum and probably no :( | Feb 13 11:49 |
| oiaohm | maybe not that way. | Feb 13 11:52 |
| oiaohm | But there is a dx 9 for wine straight to Gallium3d | Feb 13 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Expermient. | Feb 13 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Novell got busted: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/02/onondaga_countys_no_8_fugitive.html | Feb 13 11:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Onondaga County's No. 8 fugitive captured hours after Top Ten list released | News from The Post-Standard - .::. Size~: 59.06 KB | Feb 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Hey, here's some update I missed... | Feb 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090927151401988 | Feb 13 11:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Groklaw - On Mono, Miguel, Stallman and Fusion with Microsoft .::. Size~: 214.1 KB | Feb 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Update: Jason Perlow has responded to this article in an audio discussion with Ken Hess. They agree that I do not understand that Miguel has to feed his family and pay his mortgage. I believe that is called the Yuppie Nuremberg Defense. I will quote from Wikipedia: | Feb 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | In the Christopher Buckley novel Thank You for Smoking and its film adaptation, the main character Nick Naylor justifies his career to a reporter by telling her that "Everybody has a mortgage to pay," and referring to his response as the "Yuppie Nuremberg Defense". | Feb 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | A lot of society's ill boil down to spineless people who take down orders without question | Feb 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Chains of command | Feb 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | "Hey, I can be an arsehole cause I must feed my kids" | Feb 13 12:02 |
| cubezzz | excuses | Feb 13 12:04 |
| cubezzz | one guy I met recently told me he would _never_ write proprietary software | Feb 13 12:07 |
| MinceR | 034739 < yuhong> I actually agree with a troll here. | Feb 13 12:11 |
| MinceR | wow, surprise, surprise | Feb 13 12:11 |
| cubezzz | He still uses doze obviously | Feb 13 12:11 |
| oiaohm | There are many ways to make money with Open Source development. | Feb 13 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Some is being tech adverisers. | Feb 13 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | I son't think that there's much money to be made in desktop Linux, Canonical will be doing well just to break even there | Feb 13 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | unless they can get some massive support contracts out there, they'll be doing good if they can figure out how to break even | Feb 13 12:14 |
| cubezzz | I'm doing Linux installs on Sunday :) | Feb 13 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Really the Linux groups that break more than even. Make hardware or have contracts with hardware makers. DaemonFC | Feb 13 12:15 |
| cubezzz | Red Hat makes money | Feb 13 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I never really got why they sent out free discs to desktop users? | Feb 13 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | Why not just say "here's the ISOs"? | Feb 13 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Un paid for that. DaemonFC | Feb 13 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Not Canonical DaemonFC | Feb 13 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | why would they back that? | Feb 13 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Cheep software for the third world. | Feb 13 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's why they stopped offering the free 64-bit CDs? | Feb 13 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes the head of Canonical was a good line spinner. DaemonFC | Feb 13 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | they must have noticed all the AMD64 discs were going out to first world countries | Feb 13 12:17 |
| oiaohm | I have not even noticed they did that. | Feb 13 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | like as in, not the target | Feb 13 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | oh damn it | Feb 13 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast turned the DNS hijacker on AGAIN!!!!! | Feb 13 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | mother fuckers | Feb 13 12:18 |
| cubezzz | ? | Feb 13 12:20 |
| pawel_111 | bye everyone | Feb 13 12:21 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz? | Feb 13 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK!? | Feb 13 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | they have my service address in Bothell, Washington | Feb 13 12:23 |
| cubezzz | Free Public DNS Server perhaps? | Feb 13 12:23 |
| cubezzz | http://www.opendns.com/ | Feb 13 12:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: OpenDNS | Internet Navigation And Security .::. Size~: 10.18 KB | Feb 13 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | I live in Washington, they enrolled me in auto pay, and I'm back in their DNS hijacker | Feb 13 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | wtf??? | Feb 13 12:30 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] ok, now koji build for metasploit works! Still a *lot* of things needs to be fixed http://tinyurl.com/yzrytve #24camp | Feb 13 12:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: build (dist-f12, Metasploit-3.3.3-1.fc12.src.rpm) | Task Info | Koji .::. Size~: 5.68 KB | Feb 13 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | "I need to transfer you to billing, I think you're seeing someone elses account information. Is there anything else I can do for you?" | Feb 13 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Yeah, give me this guys credit card number so I can go shopping." | Feb 13 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 13 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | I think they billed my account balance to some guy in Washington... | Feb 13 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | cause it says they took it out on the 8th and nothing was taken from my bank | Feb 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/92562.html | Feb 13 12:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: pavelmachek: Insult to the injury .::. Size~: 19.21 KB | Feb 13 12:37 |
| schestowitz | http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/91650.html | Feb 13 12:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: pavelmachek: Thinkpad x60: battery firmware killed my battery .::. Size~: 20.65 KB | Feb 13 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Vista 7 | Feb 13 12:38 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Comcast is telling me I'm a different Ryan Farmer and I live in Washington and I have this other person's bill | Feb 13 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Some battery packs have a life counter. | Feb 13 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie so many charages then they are paper weights. | Feb 13 12:44 |
| oiaohm | This is to prevent charaging damage reaching critical and the pack expoding. | Feb 13 12:45 |
| oiaohm | We need some form of non bomb power storage. | Feb 13 12:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: will you exploit this? | Feb 13 12:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] needed O-ve blood in cochin immediately. Contact rupesh 09535120278 please RT | Feb 13 12:49 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think I might have turned his auto bill pay and paper billing off | Feb 13 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | oops :P | Feb 13 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | he'll figure it out when there's a late fee and they turn something off I'm sure :D | Feb 13 12:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Vista7 – “The ‘Pay Up Sucka!’ starts now!” -Me on the new WAT update | Feb 13 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Not yet DaemonFC | Feb 13 13:00 |
| oiaohm | We we see WAT become standard in all new MS OS's even turning up as forced patches in old OS's. | Feb 13 13:03 |
| oiaohm | then the pay up Sucker is here. | Feb 13 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | In another move to stop sheeple from saying “pirate” as if there was any US law other than the Law of the Sea regarding pirates, Ryan bought a monkey, and equipped it with a taser. The shocky money’s first victim was…..(story to be continued) | Feb 13 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | how's this? :) | Feb 13 13:04 |
| _Goblin | deamonFC: You can't say "sheeple" use the word "pirate" like its a bad thing. | Feb 13 13:05 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: have you read any latest "scene" .nfo files? | Feb 13 13:05 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: they call themselves pirates. | Feb 13 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, It's more tongue in cheek, I think | Feb 13 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | like I may sarcastically call myself a pirate | Feb 13 13:07 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: ah ok. It just some people like to think there is a problem using the term pirate, when infact there isn't | Feb 13 13:07 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: having said that, it would be nice if we had no piracy at all. | Feb 13 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | there's a problem with Microsoft calling people pirates as a shock word | Feb 13 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | and training others to parrot it in that sense | Feb 13 13:08 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: really? When the pirates refer to themselves as such? | Feb 13 13:08 |
| Eruaran | BillyG has been doing it since the days of the Homebrew computer club | Feb 13 13:08 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: you forget, these people get a kick out of being seen as outlaws. | Feb 13 13:09 |
| oiaohm | http://government.zdnet.com/?p=7103&tag=wrapper;col1 | Feb 13 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | When there's a US law referring to unlicensed copying as "piracy", I'll reluctantly accept the label in that sense | Feb 13 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Great we might have a problem. | Feb 13 13:09 |
| Eruaran | He always was a whining little dick | Feb 13 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | until then, arrrrgh go fuck yerself matey! | Feb 13 13:09 |
| oiaohm | USA with protection from missles. | Feb 13 13:09 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: like I say, if you have a problem with the word piracy, you better start by taking it up with the main "scene" players...you could start with Fairlight, Skidrow, DRC, Axxo to name a few. | Feb 13 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's no legal framework in US law based around that term that does not solely apply to piracy of vessels at sea | Feb 13 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | so until there is, I reject the validity of its use in an attacking sense | Feb 13 13:10 |
| Eruaran | BillyG copied the work of others, claimed he did a whole lot of work he didn't do, and then had the nerve to call other people pirates and thieves as he tried to threaten those who shared freely | Feb 13 13:10 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: its a word..... | Feb 13 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, and if I was being sued and the judge said "pirate", I would correct him on his usage of the word | Feb 13 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 13:11 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: like the offence of "False representation" being referred to as identity theft.....you obviously can't "steal" someones identity, merely use their details. | Feb 13 13:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] How do you round a number in python using only int() function? #24camp | Feb 13 13:12 | |
| DaemonFC | it's theft in the sense that it is valuable to you and they can cause you tangible harm | Feb 13 13:12 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: its like Google being almost generic for search | Feb 13 13:12 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: its a name. | Feb 13 13:12 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: what would you suggest then? | Feb 13 13:12 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: to the judge | Feb 13 13:12 |
| MinceR | pirates are cool new | Feb 13 13:12 |
| MinceR | s/new/now | Feb 13 13:12 |
| MinceR | / | Feb 13 13:12 |
| MinceR | just like ninjas | Feb 13 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | making a copy of an MP3 for myself is not the same as stealing someone else's identity and preying on their credit | Feb 13 13:13 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: never said it was, I was giving an example of use of a different set of words to describe an action. | Feb 13 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, nobody is calling them identity pirates | Feb 13 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's where it'd be a stretch | Feb 13 13:13 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: what would you suggest then to the judge? | Feb 13 13:13 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC: MP3? pfft, you could at least use FLAC | Feb 13 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Unlicensed copier | Feb 13 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 13:14 |
| _Goblin | lol | Feb 13 13:14 |
| _Goblin | and that is just an ambigious | Feb 13 13:14 |
| _Goblin | *as | Feb 13 13:14 |
| _Goblin | *and I cant spell ambigious | Feb 13 13:14 |
| _Goblin | how about...... | Feb 13 13:14 |
| Eruaran | It is legal to make back up copies of materials you have purchased | Feb 13 13:14 |
| _Goblin | "Theft of revenue" | Feb 13 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran, and MP3 is catch all for all digital audio :) | Feb 13 13:14 |
| MinceR | ambiguous | Feb 13 13:14 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: that would be theft of money | Feb 13 13:15 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC: Audiophiles everywhere are offended now | Feb 13 13:15 |
| Eruaran | ;) | Feb 13 13:15 |
| _Goblin | yes but on the understanding if you hadn't copied it you would have bought it? | Feb 13 13:15 |
| MinceR | who said i would have bought it? | Feb 13 13:15 |
| _Goblin | nobody....it would be for the person to prove if they were to buy it or not. | Feb 13 13:15 |
| MinceR | usually i had no idea it's worth getting until after the fact :> | Feb 13 13:15 |
| Eruaran | This reminds me | Feb 13 13:15 |
| Eruaran | I haven't streamed anything from Magnatune in ages | Feb 13 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose if I got on the pirate bay and searched for FLACs to download in an unlicensed fashion, one would say I was "Googling for MP3s to pirate!!!!! zOMG!!!!!" | Feb 13 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 13 13:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 13 13:16 |
| MinceR | except google is allowed to do what TPB isn't | Feb 13 13:16 |
| _Goblin | can I correct you DaemonFC....certainly in the UK filesharing is Unlawful not Illegal. | Feb 13 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you can search Google for torrents | Feb 13 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's my favorite way | Feb 13 13:16 |
| Eruaran | filesharing unlawful? | Feb 13 13:16 |
| Eruaran | aren't unlawful and illegal the same thing? | Feb 13 13:17 |
| _Goblin | no...not really.... | Feb 13 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | Eruaran, Maybe he means it's unlegal | Feb 13 13:17 |
| _Goblin | there is no criminal statute for filesharing | Feb 13 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | How is filesharing unlawful? | Feb 13 13:17 |
| _Goblin | because it is in breach of copyright law. | Feb 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | DaemonFC: illawful? | Feb 13 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Feb 13 13:17 |
| Eruaran | I didn't say anything about copyright | Feb 13 13:17 |
| _Goblin | as I say, there is no criminal offence of filesharing per say. | Feb 13 13:18 |
| MinceR | unlegal? | Feb 13 13:18 |
| _Goblin | it would be the circumstances.... | Feb 13 13:18 |
| _Goblin | let me cite an example.... | Feb 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, so you can be sued for it but it's not a criminal offense | Feb 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | same here | Feb 13 13:18 |
| _Goblin | yep | Feb 13 13:18 |
| _Goblin | can people remember when the phantom menace was leaked 2 weeks early to a bt tracker? | Feb 13 13:18 |
| Eruaran | There is plenty of content that can be shared that is not subject to copyright claim | Feb 13 13:18 |
| _Goblin | can people also remember that the person was arrested? | Feb 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, All three of them were | Feb 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | and I watched all three of them early | Feb 13 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 13:19 |
| _Goblin | in that case the arrest was for the physical theft of the media from the studio....not the filesharing of the torrent. | Feb 13 13:19 |
| _Goblin | and I believe the charge was for theft employee. | Feb 13 13:19 |
| _Goblin | and the subsequent conviction. | Feb 13 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, couldn't the guy copy it onto something else? | Feb 13 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | not physically steal anything | Feb 13 13:20 |
| _Goblin | yep...it would the be original theft of media from the studio. | Feb 13 13:20 |
| _Goblin | physical media, not data. | Feb 13 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | that would make it civil though, right? | Feb 13 13:20 |
| _Goblin | the filesharing part, yes | Feb 13 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | no, I mean copy it onto something he owns | Feb 13 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | then leave the studio | Feb 13 13:21 |
| _Goblin | if that had been the case yes. | Feb 13 13:21 |
| _Goblin | but thats not what happened. | Feb 13 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's what I would have done | Feb 13 13:21 |
| _Goblin | another example... | Feb 13 13:21 |
| _Goblin | TPB | Feb 13 13:21 |
| _Goblin | the offence was financial matters related to the site....the rest would have been civil in the UK. | Feb 13 13:22 |
| _Goblin | if it had been a UK case. | Feb 13 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Stealing the CD is a crime, buying it and then making a billion copies is a civil matter :) | Feb 13 13:22 |
| _Goblin | no. | Feb 13 13:22 |
| _Goblin | money involved. | Feb 13 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | not if you rip it and make a torrent, right? | Feb 13 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | you're not selling that | Feb 13 13:23 |
| _Goblin | selling copied material is very different from merely sharing in a swarm (in law) | Feb 13 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | I have tons of CD cover images that say "Made in EU" on them, lol | Feb 13 13:23 |
| _Goblin | and you know the legislation used when tackling the selling of copied material (here in the UK)? | Feb 13 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | no idea | Feb 13 13:24 |
| _Goblin | Designs and patents act 1988 | Feb 13 13:24 |
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| _Goblin | having said that, I have always said ISP's should be licensed and responsible for the data that goes through their servers.... | Feb 13 13:26 |
| _Goblin | that way civil actions would be on the ISP....and the ISP's would be forced to self regulate | Feb 13 13:26 |
| _Goblin | which they can do now, because most of you have signed all your privacy away on your T&C of your ISP. | Feb 13 13:27 |
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| _Goblin | I certainly have with O2/ | Feb 13 13:27 |
| _Goblin | Ive pretty much agreed for them to monitor my usage in as intrusive and covert way as they want. | Feb 13 13:28 |
| Eruaran | hmm | Feb 13 13:28 |
| _Goblin | from memory it was Sec(14) of my T&C | Feb 13 13:28 |
| Eruaran | installed updates and got booted out of x | Feb 13 13:28 |
| _Goblin | I don't suppose any other ISP is that different. | Feb 13 13:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Off to see friends at the local LUG meeting | Feb 13 13:33 | |
| _Goblin | When FOSS advocacy gets confused... | Feb 13 13:35 |
| _Goblin | heres what a FOSS user has to say about Google: | Feb 13 13:35 |
| _Goblin | "they seemed to forget the purpose of what Google has been doing. Google is all about open source software and providing help" | Feb 13 13:35 |
| _Goblin | yeah.... | Feb 13 13:35 |
| _Goblin | reality check.... | Feb 13 13:35 |
| _Goblin | Google wants to make money like anyone else. | Feb 13 13:35 |
| _Goblin | Google all about open source and providing help? ....maybe they are but in future I don't think its going to be as "free" and "open"... | Feb 13 13:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: file sharing is as legal as food sharing | Feb 13 13:37 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Feb 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | What's actually in those file is another matter | Feb 13 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Possession of copyrighted material not paid for | Feb 13 13:38 |
| _Goblin | so I can come into your kitchen take your bread and share it with my mates? | Feb 13 13:38 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Feb 13 13:38 |
| _Goblin | thats actually theft...so it doesn't count. | Feb 13 13:38 |
| _Goblin | sorry no its not it may be burglary. | Feb 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | “As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours.” -Bill Gates | Feb 13 13:38 |
| _Goblin | 9(1)a or b depending on when intention was formed. | Feb 13 13:38 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: no | Feb 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | not /my/ kitchen | Feb 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Yours | Feb 13 13:39 |
| _Goblin | I was being flippant.... | Feb 13 13:39 |
| _Goblin | very naughty comment there roy. | Feb 13 13:39 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Feb 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | The economics of physical matter are different | Feb 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I can share my bread with you | Feb 13 13:39 |
| _Goblin | comparing the sharing of food to data.... | Feb 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Likewise, I can share a file that's mine | Feb 13 13:39 |
| _Goblin | naughty naughty! | Feb 13 13:39 |
| schestowitz | If it's copyrighted, that's a different matter | Feb 13 13:40 |
| _Goblin | ah | Feb 13 13:40 |
| _Goblin | I see. | Feb 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Then it's not the sharing that's the problem | Feb 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | It's about you having ownership of something with supposed ownership | Feb 13 13:40 |
| schestowitz | P2P is not illegal | Feb 13 13:40 |
| _Goblin | thats what ive been saying | Feb 13 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Sharing copyrighted material on the protocol/s is | Feb 13 13:41 |
| _Goblin | not really. | Feb 13 13:41 |
| _Goblin | its unlawful | Feb 13 13:41 |
| _Goblin | theres a difference. | Feb 13 13:41 |
| _Goblin | what people don't realize is that there is no criminal offence for merely sharing a file. | Feb 13 13:41 |
| _Goblin | its why filesharing gets you to civil court and TPB goes to criminal. | Feb 13 13:42 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Had chicken burger , hackin still on ;-) #24camp | Feb 13 13:42 | |
| schestowitz | "Stolen's a strong word. it's copyrighted content that the owner wasn't paid for." Bill Gates, June 2006 | Feb 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Hypocrite. | Feb 13 13:42 |
| _Goblin | TPB involved money and if it was in the UK more relevant to the designs and patents act of 1988 | Feb 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | He says "stolen" a lot | Feb 13 13:42 |
| _Goblin | stolen revenue? | Feb 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Revenue can't be stolen either | Feb 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | What is revenue? | Feb 13 13:43 |
| _Goblin | it can be taken away. | Feb 13 13:43 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: its because stealing is something BillyG understands ;) | Feb 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | It's exchangeable with physical good that can be stolen | Feb 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | We need to use the proper terms | Feb 13 13:43 |
| _Goblin | Roy.... | Feb 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I can't steal your thought | Feb 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I also can't steal your karma | Feb 13 13:43 |
| Eruaran | I am stealing your thoughts | Feb 13 13:43 |
| Eruaran | Can you feel the sucking motion? | Feb 13 13:43 |
| _Goblin | didn't you use the word "stolen" when reporting about the plurk case? | Feb 13 13:44 |
| _Goblin | maybe you didn't.... | Feb 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes. "The best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating systems." -Bill Gates | Feb 13 13:44 |
| _Goblin | many did though. | Feb 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I didn't | Feb 13 13:44 |
| _Goblin | its an emotive word, but its one which can quantify the act to the general populas... | Feb 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | I also call the MAFIAA "recording industry' | Feb 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | becyase they don't make music | Feb 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | They are not the music industry | Feb 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | BPI is not the music industry | Feb 13 13:45 |
| _Goblin | as I was saying to DaemonFC the word pirate and piracy is used by the "scene" groups who distribute/crack the material.... | Feb 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | it's moguls who monetise musicians or their front at least | Feb 13 13:45 |
| _Goblin | thats true... | Feb 13 13:46 |
| _Goblin | although thats their battle not ours. | Feb 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | They record well, don't get me wrong | Feb 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | They also advertise and distribute | Feb 13 13:46 |
| Eruaran | Anyone can record well these days | Feb 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | But it's business, it's not art | Feb 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: many do | Feb 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | That's why the recording indutry is dying | Feb 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Not because music is dying | Feb 13 13:47 |
| Eruaran | a studio in a box is not expensive | Feb 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Because the mediator and its "$15 per album" model is dying | Feb 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | It's a business model, not a music genre | Feb 13 13:47 |
| Eruaran | heh | Feb 13 13:47 |
| Eruaran | If they charged only $15 they still might have a business | Feb 13 13:47 |
| _Goblin | Eruaran: but then you are forgetting about all the other parts, promotion, tours, advertising, magazine reviews, interviews, logistically I would expect there is much work behind the scenes. | Feb 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | USD | Feb 13 13:47 |
| Eruaran | One of their downfalls has been their greed | Feb 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Not AUD | Feb 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | brb | Feb 13 13:48 |
| Eruaran | _Goblin: indeed, but it depends on what you want in a tour | Feb 13 13:48 |
| _Goblin | I was meaning more staff to organize it all. | Feb 13 13:48 |
| Eruaran | It just means you have to do it yourself | Feb 13 13:49 |
| _Goblin | a sinble person could make the track, but what about everything else that is needed in relation to push it... | Feb 13 13:49 |
| _Goblin | and keep in mind..... | Feb 13 13:49 |
| _Goblin | if everyone was doing it by themselves, would we not be lost in a sea of self promotion and may miss out on the real classics. | Feb 13 13:50 |
| _Goblin | let me give an example.... | Feb 13 13:50 |
| _Goblin | Gamemaker.. | Feb 13 13:50 |
| Eruaran | I went and saw The Church play in Melbourne just before Christmas last year. They were great. | Feb 13 13:50 |
| _Goblin | that package allows people to make games all by themselves with little skill.... | Feb 13 13:50 |
| Eruaran | I purchased their latest album | Feb 13 13:50 |
| _Goblin | you then get a flood of titles mostly rubbish. | Feb 13 13:50 |
| Eruaran | I mention them because they are independent | Feb 13 13:50 |
| _Goblin | yes, but it sort of mirrors the argument.... | Feb 13 13:51 |
| _Goblin | if everyone gets a degree, the degree is worthless. | Feb 13 13:51 |
| Eruaran | They recently completed highly successful tours of the US and Australia | Feb 13 13:51 |
| Eruaran | Their latest album has won critical acclaim | Feb 13 13:51 |
| Eruaran | There are no major record labels involved | Feb 13 13:51 |
| _Goblin | but thats one of maybe millions of indi bands | Feb 13 13:52 |
| Eruaran | No massive promotion from them | Feb 13 13:52 |
| _Goblin | Im in a band. | Feb 13 13:52 |
| _Goblin | but it aint going nowhere. | Feb 13 13:52 |
| Eruaran | And they are the real thing | Feb 13 13:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Compaq-Airlife-100/ | Feb 13 13:52 |
| _Goblin | I am sure they are....but the breakout sucess stories happen in every industry...for the majority it wont work like that. | Feb 13 13:52 |
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| Eruaran | Not all bands go anywhere... and again, it depends on what you're in it for | Feb 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Intel-Xeon-C5500C3500/ | Feb 13 13:53 |
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| _Goblin | for me its just a laugh and we raise a little money for charitities at work do's. | Feb 13 13:53 |
| _Goblin | *charities. | Feb 13 13:54 |
| Eruaran | Music and great musicians existed and enjoyed great success long before the recording industry oligarchy, and will continue long after they have gone | Feb 13 13:54 |
| _Goblin | doh. | Feb 13 13:54 |
| _Goblin | yes but in todays media rich and comercial world, its those that shout the loudest who are the breakouts....often they are the ones backed with the money to do the loudest shouting... | Feb 13 13:55 |
| Eruaran | If people cant see past the recording industry paradigm, it just means that's where their heads are at, its a prison of the mind | Feb 13 13:55 |
| _Goblin | its all to do with time though isn't it? | Feb 13 13:55 |
| _Goblin | most of us don't have the time to search for great music that may exist without the backing of large studios. | Feb 13 13:56 |
| Eruaran | Success is usually a matter of time and love more than talent alone | Feb 13 13:56 |
| _Goblin | agreed fully. | Feb 13 13:56 |
| _Goblin | having said that.... | Feb 13 13:56 |
| _Goblin | lily allen? | Feb 13 13:56 |
| Eruaran | rofl | Feb 13 13:56 |
| _Goblin | sorry going have to go AFK for a while....Eruaran, great debate....see ya later. | Feb 13 13:57 |
| Eruaran | bb | Feb 13 13:57 |
| Eruaran | Its a bit sad that all most poeple know The Church for is "Under The Milky Way" | Feb 13 13:59 |
| Eruaran | Such a a great band that has created so many great albums | Feb 13 13:59 |
| Eruaran | But then... if they were "too famous" I would never have gotten to see them in the intimate setting of the Corner Hotel in Melbourne | Feb 13 14:00 |
| Eruaran | What a great night that was | Feb 13 14:00 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA handpicks bands for obedience | Feb 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Then we get dumbasses like Lily Allen telling us that artists love the MAFIAA line | Feb 13 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Because she's among those %0.001 who get picked by the MAFIAA to make some dough | Feb 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | They only want to project this illusion of compensated artists, as long as they give voice to less than 100 rich ones | Feb 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | What they do is monopolise | Feb 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Everyone listens to the Justins and Britneys | Feb 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Billions of times | Feb 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Whereas other smaller artists get little or no exposure | Feb 13 14:03 |
| Eruaran | lol I wont repeat what Steve Kilby said last year about the MAFIAA | Feb 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | They control what music goes on MTV and what's available at "Fine" record stores (shelf space) | Feb 13 14:03 |
| Eruaran | In essence, "F*#& those guys" | Feb 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ | Feb 13 14:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Courtney Love does the math - Salon.com .::. Size~: 96.21 KB | Feb 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Famous article | Feb 13 14:04 |
| Eruaran | (Steve Kilby is lead singer and bass player for The Church) | Feb 13 14:05 |
| Eruaran | she'd know about it | Feb 13 14:06 |
| Eruaran | "they can pay the mortgage forever but they'll never own the house" - Goddamn right | Feb 13 14:14 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] cricscore applet is being enhanced here by @salva_eswar and *me* in http://tinyurl.com/yhuqz3q #24camp | Feb 13 14:27 | |
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| schestowitz | Servicing the lender | Feb 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz | And they never give singers copyrights to their work, either | Feb 13 14:40 |
| schestowitz | So they can die without owning their own music... while the MAFIAA makes a cash cow from it for 90+ years | Feb 13 14:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @deathboyuk Someone commission a show called @bengoldacre Tears Folks a New Arsehole. Co-host it with @charltonbrooker + Frankie Boyle. | Feb 13 14:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE at #FOSDEM 2010, 11.3 Milestone 1, and #BuildService 1.7 http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/13/opensuse-february-news/ | Feb 13 15:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@WiredUK just be glad you're not manning the @fromPaperChase twitter | Feb 13 15:11 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckvDo2JHB7o | Feb 13 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 13 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ALdK88zoc0 | Feb 13 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | You are the Duke of New York, you are A number 1! | Feb 13 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 13 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | if I ever do get Blu Ray, this is going to be on my top 10 | Feb 13 15:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Working on a OOo Impress presentation about ATI/Nvidia GPU's for my Lover. He needs it for school, hope his M$ Orifice will swallow it. | Feb 13 15:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @glynmoody Effort to trace 'conflict minerals' in electronics - http://bit.ly/aPvltf most of us a oblivious to this (via @asteris) | Feb 13 15:34 | |
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| Omar87 | tessier, ping | Feb 13 15:37 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 13 15:37 |
| Omar87 | Greetings folks! :D | Feb 13 15:37 |
| MinceR | hay | Feb 13 15:39 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Closing #24camp after review! Good outcome , packaged* metasploit and made some patches for cricscore applet | Feb 13 15:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] With anonymous twitter, now i can curse my *future* girlfriend :D #24camp http://24camp.org/Project/AnonymousTwitter | Feb 13 15:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just gave a talk at the LUG about my "Tinbox Distro". Seemed to go well. | Feb 13 15:43 | |
| _Goblin | back | Feb 13 16:03 |
| schestowitz | what's up? | Feb 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | sky and ceiling. how you feeling? | Feb 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | It's gowin down | Feb 13 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/2010_%28episode%29#Notable_Quotes | Feb 13 16:16 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 13 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | they get progressively darker after that... | Feb 13 16:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 13 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | there was going to be a Stargate SG-1 PC game, but they canceled it :( | Feb 13 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/84267732.html | Feb 13 16:24 |
| Omar87 | Hello everyone! | Feb 13 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | "We didn't want to pay an extra $2.50 a week, but now we're pissed that the garbage pickup is only twice a month!" | Feb 13 16:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oh golly. I have just witnessed an Ubuntu Lucid laptop boot to login in 5 seconds. Lots of smiling. | Feb 13 16:24 | |
| DaemonFC | that's the people that live around me | Feb 13 16:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm thinking of talking to G. Moody regarding the ImaginaCuff thing, what do you think? | Feb 13 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Teabaggers who don't want to pay taxes but want all the city utilities | Feb 13 16:25 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, what are you talking about? | Feb 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, People that don't want to pay taxes but want all the things that tax revenue provides | Feb 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's like they think the city services "tooth fairy" comes in from pixie land every Monday morning to take their trash for free | Feb 13 16:27 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, okay, but you do realize that the number of homeless people are increasing, don't you? | Feb 13 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | they don't get that running a landfill and hiring garbage removal workers costs money | Feb 13 16:28 |
| Omar87 | is* increasing | Feb 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: go for him. I'd love to see Glyn covering it | Feb 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, $10 a month isn't going to break most of the people that are complaining about getting trash pickups slashed in half | Feb 13 16:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Checking out Buzz....this is hard to keep up...Identi.ca, Twitter, Wave, Buzz, Newsgroups, IRC....and of course boring ol email! | Feb 13 16:28 | |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I don't think it's just about the $10 a month though. | Feb 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | most of the people bitching are (A) rich or (B) spend that much in their first 10 minutes at the bar every night. | Feb 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, If we're struggling so damned bad, where does the money for 20-some odd bars come from? | Feb 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | these people drink and smoke all of their money then bitch about garbage removal taxes | Feb 13 16:30 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I can only agree with you about this one. | Feb 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of these people are constantly in trouble (of their own doing) no matter how much money they make | Feb 13 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | my grandfather on my dad's side worked at GM for decades, made all kinds of money, spent every cent drinking or smoking | Feb 13 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | made about $20 an hour in 1960, but no food in the house for his family | Feb 13 16:32 |
| Omar87 | It's very pathetic to see someone nagging the government about the high prices and high tax rates, but then his entire salary is spent on smoking and drinking. | Feb 13 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | it got to the point where my grandmother had to get some shrimp out of the fridge that he had bought for fish bait, and fry it up for the kids to eat | Feb 13 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | then he found out there was no fish bait (while drunk) and beat her | Feb 13 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | and the world is full of people just like that, who create their own personal hell, just like that | Feb 13 16:34 |
| *schestowitz out fishing (no just going the the gym) | Feb 13 16:34 | |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, oh my God..! | Feb 13 16:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, enjoy your time. :) | Feb 13 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 13 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, Then there's my personal favorite, people who are religious, but don't actually live up to the standards they judge other people by | Feb 13 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | their religious "laws" only matter when it's not applied to them | Feb 13 16:36 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I agree with that too. | Feb 13 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | that would be representative of my grandparents on my mom's side | Feb 13 16:37 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, unfortunately there are lots of people like this. Even in our Muslim world. | Feb 13 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | so my parents are the products of being raised by drunk and dysfunctional homes, or religiously dysfunctional homes | Feb 13 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why I don't have any tolerance for either kind of people, because I've seen what psychological effects that has on people who have to live with it for 18 years of their life :) | Feb 13 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, and how much will the Muslim community tolerate of that before they kill someone for embarrassing them? | Feb 13 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 13 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | of course I guess I may prefer being beheaded to getting nagged til I wish I was dead | Feb 13 16:40 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I'm not embarrassed at all. :) | Feb 13 16:40 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, you have to understand, that what Muslim people do does not necessarily represent the teachings of the Islamic faith. | Feb 13 16:41 |
| Omar87 | Actually, it does not represent it at all. | Feb 13 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, But it's also not uncommon to distance oneself from the wrongdoings of the vast majority ;) | Feb 13 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | like "I'm not with them!" *points* They actually make up only a few of us. (Really more like 80%) | Feb 13 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | you get that with the Christians around here | Feb 13 16:43 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I see. | Feb 13 16:43 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, do you know that the Christian faith clearly states that women must wear head scarfs? | Feb 13 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | If I was part of a group that I had to keep doing nothing but apologizing for or distancing myself from for shame, I may re-examine my membership. (and I did) | Feb 13 16:44 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, but yet the only Christian women who head scarfs these days are the sisters. | Feb 13 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, There's Catholics here, which I don't really like too well because they do whatever they want to do and then go to confessions. :) And you have Protestants who tend to believe there's this vast network of Catholics, Satanists, Muslims, Atheists, and homosexuals out there plotting against them. Oh, and did I mention Wiccans? (Wiccans, Satanists, same thing!) | Feb 13 16:46 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, lol! | Feb 13 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | the Protestants also like to gossip, spread lies amongst themselves, talk behind peoples backs | Feb 13 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | even members of their own church | Feb 13 16:48 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, so you're saying that "Protestant == Conspiracy theorist"? | Feb 13 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | everything is communal business around those places | Feb 13 16:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Freda just brought me one of @arkadyrose's latest batch of scones :-D | Feb 13 16:49 | |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, pretty much, but the biggest believer in the Muslim/Catholic/Atheist/Homosexual/Wiccan plot is the fundamentalists, like the Wesleyans, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Baptists, etc. | Feb 13 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | those are like the Axis of Evil in the protestant ranks | Feb 13 16:50 |
| Omar87 | I see. | Feb 13 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think that in any religion you're just picking flavor and intensity of crazy, but they're like the deep end | Feb 13 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that go beyond being funny and are out to hurt people | Feb 13 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | and if you think that's bad, the Mormons and the Jehovas Witnesses are out there too | Feb 13 16:52 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: news break for you..its not the religion that hurts people, its people.....no religion preaches murder or hurting people. | Feb 13 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, The Mormons actually go out there and try to recruit people door to door | Feb 13 16:52 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: the fault is with humans, not religion. | Feb 13 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | don't ever let a Mormon in your house or they'll never leave until you're a convert | Feb 13 16:53 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, Exactly. | Feb 13 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's like vampires, they can only come in if you invite them in | Feb 13 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 13 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | the world outside and all the people in it are why I consider my home my sanctuary | Feb 13 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | here I only have to deal with someone if I choose to | Feb 13 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | very comforting | Feb 13 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't actively try to be anti-social, but it kind of just happens with 86% of the population is an instant write-off before you even begin to deal with an individual | Feb 13 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sorry, but I just can't end up in a relationship with someone telling me that 500 foot tall Jesus is going to land on a mountain one day and save us all | Feb 13 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 13 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's like trying to be intimate with an adult that still fervently professes belief in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy | Feb 13 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | you would say "Son of a bitch! This person has the mind of a 6 year old child!" | Feb 13 17:00 |
| Omar87 | Man! The Lost Symbol is one hell of a book! :D | Feb 13 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | and Omar87, I was forced into a Catholic school for a few years | Feb 13 17:01 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I see. | Feb 13 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | I willfully and deliberately got myself expelled (aged 9 I think) so that I could go to public school like a normal human being | Feb 13 17:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Back to my den, #24camp was f*ckin awesome :D | Feb 13 17:02 | |
| DaemonFC | because even at age 9, their shit stunk too bad for me not to smell it | Feb 13 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | in public school though, it was worse, cause they were going too slow and I was reading ahead of where we were at (and got yelled at for doing that) | Feb 13 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | even though I was getting all As | Feb 13 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | so I went to a home school program and ended up skipping ahead to where I was done by age 16 | Feb 13 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | I hated school, but I think the worst part was the Catholic school and the penguins (nuns) | Feb 13 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, Why can't it just be "Try not to kill anybody" and "Try not to be dishonest"? | Feb 13 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | Why do people have to wear certain clothes? | Feb 13 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | or say certain things at different times of the day while facing in a particular direction? | Feb 13 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Instead of worrying about petty bullshit or turning "faith" into "Gossip Gossip Gossip", why can't they just say "Be excellent to each other!"? | Feb 13 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 13 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | then everyone is happy | Feb 13 17:12 |
| Omar87 | I didn't understand your question. Could you explain it please? | Feb 13 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, Why all the silly rituals and the stupid social clubs? Why does every religion worry about which way they face in prayer or how many times they pray or what they wear? | Feb 13 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | Why do they flagrantly violate their own (important) laws like not cheating or killing people? | Feb 13 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Why do they only concern themselves with stupid bullshit? | Feb 13 17:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Evernote not compatible with #Opera. That's a good part of my use case gone... | Feb 13 17:14 | |
| DaemonFC | Why do they only honor the parts that don't matter and don't make any sense? | Feb 13 17:15 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I'm not sure exactly how Christians think, but we Muslims believe that this life is not the one we should live for. | Feb 13 17:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] To transform into the hirsute Wolfman, Benicio del Toro had to sit still two hours a day while makeup artists shaved him. http://is.gd/8jlJt | Feb 13 17:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | I don't know how either one of you justifies murdering other people | Feb 13 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | but you both manage | Feb 13 17:16 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, apparently you have built your decision or opinion about the idea of "religion" in general based on a very "negative past" that you had with the Catholic school, am I right? | Feb 13 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | I would only ever kill someone to prevent being killed. Religious people kill people for all kinds of reasons. | Feb 13 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | that, relatives, etc. | Feb 13 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not really bitter against "religion" as a blanket term | Feb 13 17:18 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: No people kill people....another news break, people without religion also kill. | Feb 13 17:18 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I would really suggest that you read good books that talk about Islam before before building your opinion about it. | Feb 13 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | but what I've seen or Christians and Muslims, I don't like | Feb 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want any part of | Feb 13 17:19 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: what you've seen? really? | Feb 13 17:19 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin, that's correct. | Feb 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | *of | Feb 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Double standards, killing, trying to debase others socially | Feb 13 17:19 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: Ive spent alot of time with the Muslim faith and have never seen anything other than generousity, kindness and sincerity. | Feb 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | trying to punish their "enemies" with the legal system | Feb 13 17:20 |
| _Goblin | *faith should read community | Feb 13 17:20 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, if you read enough about the Islamic history, you'll discover that the true Muslims are the most oppressed people in history. Even in our current age. | Feb 13 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, I don't know about that. It seems like the oppression is coming from many religious factions and to everyone who is not a member of those factions | Feb 13 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | of course one ends up on top in some cases | Feb 13 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | but it doesn't matter who is on top if it's not your team | Feb 13 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | It's one of those "Can't live with them, can't shoot them" situations | Feb 13 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 13 17:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] When people say "this sucks" they mean that they are thinking about the tool, instead of their work. http://bit.ly/9OaMNa | Feb 13 17:23 | |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC, for example look at the Muslim population in China and how innocent and peaceful, but yet how the dictator government treats them. | Feb 13 17:23 |
| Omar87 | how innocent and peaceful *they are*.. | Feb 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, China goes too far. The US goes too far the other way. | Feb 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | China suppresses religion brutally, the US lets them publish any kind of seditious nonsense they like. | Feb 13 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | libelous even | Feb 13 17:25 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, read about the history of Prophet Mohammed (Pbuh) and how he used to treat everyone. | Feb 13 17:25 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, don't forget there's also the KKK who are still active until this very day and the US government lets them publish any kind "White Pride Worldwide" nonsense they like too. | Feb 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | It would be nice if churches could be sued to their skivvies for spreading lies and propaganda about gay people | Feb 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be off to Cancun to live the rest of my life off the millions of dollars they paid me | Feb 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, There's some kind of neo-Nazi in the next town over that publishes that crap | Feb 13 17:28 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I don't you're gonna like what I'm gonna say now, but fighting Gay and Lesbian is one thing I totally agree with true Christians about. | Feb 13 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, How about you and I go over there and throw him a blanket party? | Feb 13 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 17:29 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, him who? | Feb 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | that skinhead | Feb 13 17:30 |
| Omar87 | Excuse me but, which skinhead again? | Feb 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | hang on, let me see if I can find his site | Feb 13 17:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Pubs win court battle over recorded music charges http://tinyurl.com/yjk2r8c | Feb 13 17:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/ | Feb 13 17:32 |
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| DaemonFC | that's him | Feb 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | white nationalist | Feb 13 17:33 |
| _Goblin | Ive got a skinhead, Im not a nationalist... | Feb 13 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | not you :P | Feb 13 17:34 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, He's some kinda White racist? | Feb 13 17:34 |
| _Goblin | i know.... | Feb 13 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, Yeah | Feb 13 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | plenty of hate groups in Indiana | Feb 13 17:34 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I just wanted to correct the stereotype that skinhead = racist. | Feb 13 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | including Nation of Islam | Feb 13 17:34 |
| *DaemonFC barfs | Feb 13 17:34 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hatemap#s=IN | Feb 13 17:35 |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC, what's with the nation of Islam? | Feb 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, Has very little to do with Islam | Feb 13 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's more like blacks that hate whites | Feb 13 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/black-separatist | Feb 13 17:36 |
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| DaemonFC | that's what Nation of Islam is | Feb 13 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | As Martin Luther King Jr. once said: "Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. Along the way of life, someone must have enough sense and morality to cut off the chain of hate." | Feb 13 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Feb 13 17:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] BBC Click...we pay for this and it covers Dropbox as if its a new tech....how old is dropbox..? I give up on Click, hopeless. #click #bbc | Feb 13 17:37 | |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, I know that the Muslim group out of which Malcolm X came out use to believe that Islam is a religion of blacks only, that if any white Muslim wanted to enter their mosque they'd kick him out. | Feb 13 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | if they were lucky | Feb 13 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | probably taken out back and worked over with a baseball bat | Feb 13 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 13 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nation-of-islam | Feb 13 17:39 |
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| DaemonFC | "Nonetheless, its bizarre theology of innate black superiority over whites — a belief system vehemently and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims — and the deeply racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of organized hate." | Feb 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/anti-gay/the-anti-gay-movement | Feb 13 17:42 |
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| Omar87 | back | Feb 13 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | anti-gay groups have to lie 100% of the time, cast "all" gay people as miserable sex perverts who like to go after children and small animals | Feb 13 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'd almost rather have the "God hates you and that's the end of it" line | Feb 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | less graphic | Feb 13 17:46 |
| MinceR | big animals are fair game then? :> | Feb 13 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | who knows? | Feb 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | better cover the furniture is Pat Robertson is to be believed, MinceR | Feb 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | *if | Feb 13 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | there isn't a lie these people won't tell | Feb 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Feb 13 17:56 |
| *DaemonFC is watching The Hidden | Feb 13 17:56 | |
| DaemonFC | heh, the alien knocked over a Wells Fargo bank and killed lots of people with a shotgun | Feb 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | of course I still have to caption every movie MST3K style so I said "I've felt like doing that with Wells Fargo's service being as it is sometimes" | Feb 13 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 13 17:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching other @uupc presenters approach via the power of Google Latitude! | Feb 13 18:19 | |
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| rnb | hi | Feb 13 18:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Windows install complete, now for Ubuntu install on Mumbuntu machine. This will be a breeze by comparison :) | Feb 13 18:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Equality Laws & The Religious Right | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yc28w3v | Feb 13 18:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | "The firewall isn't activated, because behind the ports that are exposed to the internet, there aren't any listening services. At least not in a standard installation. An attacker can't do anything without a listening service." | Feb 13 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that your system responds at all, even to say the port is closed, is already too much | Feb 13 19:21 |
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| shreddar | rekonq 0.4 beta is out now. | Feb 13 20:11 |
| shreddar | If they make a good enough browser for KDE I might start using it again. | Feb 13 20:12 |
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| shreddar | It seems the developer might trying for it. | Feb 13 20:13 |
| _Goblin | I still think Chromium is the best browser for me. | Feb 13 20:13 |
| shreddar | I'm talking about for KDE though. | Feb 13 20:13 |
| _Goblin | ah.... | Feb 13 20:14 |
| shreddar | Chromium as good as it is will not integrate completelly with KDE. | Feb 13 20:14 |
| _Goblin | I am sure I had no issues last time I had a KDE distro running.... | Feb 13 20:14 |
| shreddar | Also, runnig two toolkit ususes up more ram. | Feb 13 20:14 |
| _Goblin | although I don't like KDE so I tend to avoid... | Feb 13 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, Most of them just dress up Firefox to look native :) | Feb 13 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome is GTK+ | Feb 13 20:16 |
| shreddar | I get hung up on it's lousy browser. If Firefox or Chrome had a QT version this would'nt be a problem. | Feb 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's obvious they went with GTK+ because it's what Ubuntu uses | Feb 13 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | just like ATI always releases Ubuntu compatible drivers but skips every other Fedora :) | Feb 13 20:16 |
| shreddar | I wish Chrome used it's own toolkit. | Feb 13 20:17 |
| shreddar | Like it already uses alot of it's own libraries for the UI | Feb 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's getting to that point where Ubuntu is common enough for a company to say they have Linux support cause they have a version for Ubuntu and nothing else | Feb 13 20:18 |
| shreddar | Gnome has alway been seen as the defacto Desktop for Linux way be Ubuntu. | Feb 13 20:18 |
| shreddar | I think it's the name. | Feb 13 20:20 |
| shreddar | They think it's apart of Gnu. | Feb 13 20:20 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Horace Greasley, owner of huge brass balls, I salute you http://ur1.ca/m9nx | Feb 13 20:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUbsTrWjGldnPucsuOUepKR4An-gD9DQTP4G0 | Feb 13 20:23 |
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| DaemonFC | lasers on 747s, sweeeet | Feb 13 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME is part of the GNU project :) | Feb 13 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | they still haven't voted to throw it out, and I don't think they will | Feb 13 20:24 |
| shreddar | Oh yeah I guess it is. | Feb 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, I've heard some FSF people talking about throwing GNOME out, and I've heard some GNOME people talking about leaving GNU | Feb 13 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | but neither has happened | Feb 13 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | you get a few hundred people on both sides and you'll hear 4-5 of them put forth the idea of a divorce I guess | Feb 13 20:29 |
| shreddar | I just heard that Gnome was never really a GNU project but I guess it was just the mentallity or something. | Feb 13 20:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome never was | Feb 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | interesting thing is Stallman actually supports a free .Net CLR implementation, and he has said so repeatedly | Feb 13 20:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | the G in GNOME (which they dont use anymore, its just Gnome, no acronym) was for GNU | Feb 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | he also said don't trust it on any vital project to GNOME itself | Feb 13 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | meaning "Don't use it on primary frontline things that GNOME itself depends on | Feb 13 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't | Feb 13 20:32 |
| shreddar | Yeah Gnome definately apart of the GNU OS. | Feb 13 20:35 |
| shreddar | Or at least the GNU Project. | Feb 13 20:35 |
| shreddar | But they probably just don't behave like they are. | Feb 13 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, they quit using the name GNOME | Feb 13 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and gnu doesnt really recognize them | Feb 13 20:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its sort of like a partnership that never materialized | Feb 13 20:36 |
| shreddar | They do thouh. It's listed on the site as the GNU Desktop. | Feb 13 20:36 |
| shreddar | GNU Network Object Model Environment | Feb 13 20:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | which, as I said | Feb 13 20:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Gnome doesnt use the GNOME name anymore | Feb 13 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, They also ship GNOME desktop on Gnewsense | Feb 13 20:37 |
| shreddar | GNOME still uses the uses all caps in it's site. | Feb 13 20:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | in some places | Feb 13 20:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're slowly eliminating it | Feb 13 20:42 |
| shreddar | Yeah so Gnome is the official GNU Desktop so when software vender make apps for GNu/Linux they naturally want to support atleast Gnome. | Feb 13 20:42 |
| shreddar | Usually they just call it a day after that. | Feb 13 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | shreddar: except theres no official gnu anything if its not ran by gnu | Feb 13 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome isnt ran by gnu | Feb 13 20:42 |
| shreddar | But it's still part of the GNU OS. | Feb 13 20:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no gnu os in that sense. | Feb 13 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | it really shows why "GNU/Linux" is ludicrous | Feb 13 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | how big is X.org? how big is KDE? | Feb 13 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | how big are all the other projects that have done just as much or more work than people working on GNU software? | Feb 13 20:45 |
| shreddar | Well I bet developers were seeing Gnome as the GNU Desktop and thats why it has all of this support now. | Feb 13 20:47 |
| shreddar | Also KDE licensing issues. | Feb 13 20:47 |
| shreddar | I mean QT's licensing issues. | Feb 13 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable.NET | Feb 13 20:48 |
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| DaemonFC | another GNU project | Feb 13 20:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | QT doesnt have any | Feb 13 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | they fixed that, remember? | Feb 13 20:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | shreddar: and btw | Feb 13 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome is dead | Feb 13 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | use xfce. | Feb 13 20:51 |
| shreddar | I was talking past tense. | Feb 13 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | same great gtk taste, 10 times less bloat, same features. | Feb 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <DaemonFC> shreddar, I've heard some FSF people talking about throwing GNOME out, and I've heard some GNOME people talking about leaving GNU | Feb 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | URL? | Feb 13 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: this is always going on | Feb 13 20:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not really news. | Feb 13 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | more like overheard in the chatter | Feb 13 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Planet GNOME is kind of funky lately | Feb 13 20:52 |
| shreddar | I do use XFCE. | Feb 13 20:52 |
| shreddar | They're developing realy fast now. | Feb 13 20:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce is so wonderful sint it | Feb 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you chat with people in Indiana about gnome and gnu? | Feb 13 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Seeing spelling errors in #code comments, etc, really affects my perception of quality. | Feb 13 20:54 | |
| shreddar | Yeah I love XFCE but I also tossed out most of it's UI in favor of Cairo-Dock/Compiz. | Feb 13 20:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would you do that? | Feb 13 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfwm already does compositing | Feb 13 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | and a shitload better than compiz does | Feb 13 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, not much really | Feb 13 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | lack of interest | Feb 13 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | "Come fix my XP!" | Feb 13 20:55 |
| shreddar | I use alot of other Compiz features. | Feb 13 20:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | blergh, silly eyecandy | Feb 13 20:56 |
| shreddar | I use Scale, Cube and Expo. | Feb 13 20:56 |
| shreddar | Scale is probably the most useful though. | Feb 13 20:57 |
| shreddar | If Scale worked with minimized windows I'd probably not even use the dock. | Feb 13 20:58 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] funroll-loops, the best anti #Gentoo site ever has returned! http://ur1.ca/m9rz | Feb 13 21:02 | |
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| shreddar | KDE has still has that great file manager. But Gnome has 2 of the Best web browsers and a great Photoshop clone. | Feb 13 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | shreddar: gimp isnt part of gnome | Feb 13 21:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and gnome doesnt have a web browser | Feb 13 21:09 |
| shreddar | Actually it does but that's not what I meant. | Feb 13 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, it has a frontend for webkit | Feb 13 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and a pretty bad one at that | Feb 13 21:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no midori, for example | Feb 13 21:10 |
| shreddar | I was apps designed to work well on them. Integrated and such. | Feb 13 21:11 |
| shreddar | GTK+ had a great file manager I'd have a hard time seeing the point in KDE. | Feb 13 21:12 |
| shreddar | I'd still probably think KDE has better integration and a slicker UI though. | Feb 13 21:12 |
| shreddar | As great as Thunar and Nautilus are they pale in comparison to Konqueror and Dolphin. | Feb 13 21:14 |
| shreddar | Now if Krita is as good as I've heard and rekonq becomes as good as I think it will then there would be no reason for me to use GTK+. | Feb 13 21:15 |
| shreddar | I think both XFCE and rekonq have great potential as projects. | Feb 13 21:18 |
| shreddar | One thing I want to see in more browsers (especially Firefox) is multiproccess for tabs. | Feb 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, not much really | Feb 13 21:21 |
| schestowitz | So you could link to it | Feb 13 21:22 |
| shreddar | I think Firefox should just use webkit. There's no real reason to still develop gecko. | Feb 13 21:22 |
| shreddar | All the reasons I heard to keep it around were based in fear of not supporting web standards anymore. | Feb 13 21:23 |
| MinceR | aren't there enough webkit-based browsers already? :> | Feb 13 21:23 |
| shreddar | The point in instead of continuing development on gecko they can be using their resouces for other things. | Feb 13 21:24 |
| shreddar | Plus they could help improve Webkit along several others. | Feb 13 21:25 |
| shreddar | Also, they'd have past the Acid 3 Test by now. | Feb 13 21:25 |
| shreddar | I guess a big problem is they'd have to rebuild everything. | Feb 13 21:27 |
| shreddar | It'd basically be the same a Chrome. | Feb 13 21:27 |
| shreddar | I guess that's probably why right there. | Feb 13 21:28 |
| shreddar | That's not a very good reason either though. | Feb 13 21:30 |
| shreddar | They could go in a number of directions with it. | Feb 13 21:30 |
| MinceR | or they can compete with webkit | Feb 13 21:30 |
| shreddar | Okay but Webkit aready does several things better and it's cleaner. | Feb 13 21:31 |
| shreddar | I think they could focus on making improvment to the UI as appossed to just copying off of Chrome for the next 6-12 months. | Feb 13 21:33 |
| MinceR | it's a good thing chrome is perfectly original, then. :> | Feb 13 21:35 |
| shreddar | It doesn't matter if they copy off of other feature but they aren't bringing anything new to the table for the forseeable future. | Feb 13 21:38 |
| shreddar | They are just playing catch up right now. | Feb 13 21:38 |
| MinceR | so? why not let them? | Feb 13 21:39 |
| MinceR | though there still are features that aren't found in any other browsers | Feb 13 21:40 |
| shreddar | I think they should be more innovative then that. | Feb 13 21:40 |
| shreddar | The first firefox got rid of all the bloatware suffacting browsers of the time. | Feb 13 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000681.html | Feb 13 21:41 |
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| sebsebseb | Comments on Linux Today http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010021202535NWMS | Feb 13 21:41 |
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| DaemonFC | actually, Firefox takes more resources than Seamonkey suite last time I looked | Feb 13 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox isn't lighter, they just gutted some features that would be useful to someone | Feb 13 21:43 |
| MinceR | they could get rid of some bloat | Feb 13 21:43 |
| MinceR | namely, XUL | Feb 13 21:43 |
| shreddar | Really. Well originally it was lighter than Mozilla (Seamonkey.) | Feb 13 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's what I mean. The features they stripepd out of the suite weren't what was causing the resource bloat | Feb 13 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | it was the platform that enabled those features (and the add-on framework that's still there obviously) | Feb 13 21:44 |
| MinceR | moving from gecko to XUL was a good move, but it isn't enough, imo | Feb 13 21:44 |
| MinceR | (regarding the GUI, of course) | Feb 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: for you http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/02/12/download-every-sports-illustrated-2010-swimsuit-model-photo-with-perl/ | Feb 13 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | well, they have said they're planning to purge as much of XPCOM as they can and to look for that in Firefox 4 | Feb 13 21:45 |
| shreddar | Mozilla isn't the same since it turn into a for profit organization. | Feb 13 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, And I want that because?... | Feb 13 21:46 |
| MinceR | i didn't know it turned into one | Feb 13 21:46 |
| shreddar | I don't think they expirement as much anymore. | Feb 13 21:46 |
| MinceR | oh, i see | Feb 13 21:46 |
| MinceR | Mozilla Corporation is a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation | Feb 13 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is really a dog, the extensions are really all that are keeping it going | Feb 13 21:46 |
| MinceR | and the MF is non-profit | Feb 13 21:47 |
| shreddar | Yeah, The good search deal with Firefox 2 is largely how they have been making money. | Feb 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, other way around :) | Feb 13 21:47 |
| MinceR | well, this is what WP told me :> | Feb 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a tax law thing | Feb 13 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | on paper, etc. | Feb 13 21:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.mozilla.org/about/organizations.html | Feb 13 21:48 |
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| DaemonFC | I think the foundation just hands over whatever expense money the mozilla corporation needs, and that's all they have to pay taxes on | Feb 13 21:48 |
| MinceR | "The Mozilla Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation" | Feb 13 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Feb 13 21:48 |
| MinceR | don't ask me how that even works, though | Feb 13 21:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 13 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think the foundation is a 501c(3), like a church :D | Feb 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | that's what WP says | Feb 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | but i don't know what that meains | Feb 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | s/ai/a/ | Feb 13 21:49 |
| MinceR | it seems to be lumped together with cults, yes | Feb 13 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, All it means is that you're non-profit, as in you can take in however much money you want but it all has to be gone by the end of the year | Feb 13 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | so they can vote to pay themselves a million dollars in bonuses and that counts | Feb 13 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | as long as the money is gone, the foundation pays no taxes | Feb 13 21:50 |
| MinceR | so as long as the MC keeps their profits within the company, the MF is in the clear? | Feb 13 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, I should think that the foundation is managing their "treasury" and funding the corporation pay-as-you-go | Feb 13 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | that would minimize their tax bill | Feb 13 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | "As a non-profit, the Mozilla Foundation is limited in terms of the types and amounts of revenue. The Mozilla Corporation, as a taxable organization (essentially, a commercial operation), does not have to comply with such strict rules. Upon its creation, the Mozilla Corporation took over several areas from the Mozilla Foundation, including coordination and integration of the development of Firefox and Thunderbird (by the global | Feb 13 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | free software community) and the management of relationships with businesses." | Feb 13 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | so, the corporation is doing everything that's a no no in US tax law for a non-profit | Feb 13 21:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Skype at 50-60% cpu even when *offline* for some time... supernodeage? | Feb 13 21:55 | |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.mozilla.com/security/ | Feb 13 21:56 |
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| DaemonFC | that's a lot of regressions that security patches are causing | Feb 13 21:56 |
| shreddar | I guess the original reason to be for profit was in order to gather resources in order to promote Firefox. | Feb 13 21:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @srboisvert Dante’s Internet http://ff.im/fTnse <-- perfect | Feb 13 21:59 | |
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| shreddar | Back then IE was 90% and MS was the richest and largest name in PC's. | Feb 13 22:00 |
| shreddar | It's not hard to see why they'd think they needed some money to get out of the barely noticable nich among computer users. | Feb 13 22:01 |
| shreddar | I can't say for sure wheater that was a correct assumption or not. But I think it was mostly motivated by fear. | Feb 13 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=480115795433#!/pages/Can-this-pickle-get-more-fans-than-Nickleback/282013353726?ref=nf | Feb 13 22:03 |
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| *DaemonFC becomes a fan of the pickle | Feb 13 22:04 | |
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| shreddar | Have you tried not being a fan of the pickle? | Feb 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I was just pulling your leg | Feb 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Sort of urging you to check 'em out. Just a joke though. Planet Earth loves all the creatures on it, even those that screw up the atmosphere. | Feb 13 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | you mean the swimsuit models that serve no useful purpose? | Feb 13 22:12 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/08/toner-ink-and-paperless-printer-video/ Now that is something different. | Feb 13 22:16 |
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| shreddar | Fing crazy. About time. | Feb 13 22:18 |
| shreddar | Cannon, Lexmark, and Xerox are doomed. | Feb 13 22:19 |
| shreddar | Kindle is probably doomed too. | Feb 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they serve a purpose | Feb 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | They are wallpapers | Feb 13 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I personally NatGeo images switching | Feb 13 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Hundreds of nature photos of 'the year' | Feb 13 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://warpedtimes.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/why-debian-rocks/ | Feb 13 22:23 |
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| oiaohm | There are still needs for long term records paper or equal based. shreddar | Feb 13 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's now perfectly obvious, in retrospect, that Microsoft intended for Windows 7 to be easy to crack for several months in order to get people used to having it and to where they'd go out and pay for it after Microsoft trojaned in the "real" Windows Genuine Annoyance later, complete with a sharper set of teeth. | Feb 13 22:23 |
| oiaohm | Now DaemonFC that has always been MS model. | Feb 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you tell shreddar about a paper record? | Feb 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | shreddar shreds em all up | Feb 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: kindle is profitable | Feb 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Amazon's big hit in the last quarter.. most profitable or something | Feb 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: also in China | Feb 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | They only crack down on XP, they weren't on Vista | Feb 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Rotten Tomatoes for example | Feb 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/31/windows-xp-black-market/ | Feb 13 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | less related: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/counterfeiting-china/ | Feb 13 22:27 |
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| oiaohm | Thinking I get about 1.4 megs of data min on Papper. Big advantage paper is long term stable. | Feb 13 22:27 |
| oiaohm | General printing paperless will save a lot. | Feb 13 22:28 |
| shreddar | You know how much crap I'd print If I had this? | Feb 13 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Printing for archives to be accessed in many years time. paperless is not as great. | Feb 13 22:28 |
| oiaohm | The office I am in we don't use paper internally. | Feb 13 22:29 |
| oiaohm | Its only for out going. | Feb 13 22:29 |
| oiaohm | And incomming. | Feb 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Study-21-of-German-PCs-run-OpenOffice-919501.html | Feb 13 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://ftacademy.org/materials/fsm/2 free d/l | Feb 13 22:32 |
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| oiaohm | Xerox solid ink tech for long term items like images and the paperless for other items would be a good combinations. shreddar | Feb 13 22:32 |
| shreddar | Well I guess It not so great. I mean i required special paper (which I bet stapling isn't reccomended.) | Feb 13 22:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica collaborator wanted! Anyone in Melbourne able to do something with http://is.gd/8kibv ? | Feb 13 22:34 | |
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| oiaohm | All reusable you can not stable shreddar | Feb 13 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Or they will not reprint safely shreddar | Feb 13 22:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the biggest out standing bug. | Feb 13 22:35 |
| shreddar | It's still cheaper than E-ink/paper but not a reusable. | Feb 13 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Heck I would hate to see what stapleless staples do to it. | Feb 13 22:36 |
| shreddar | Stapeless staples? | Feb 13 22:37 |
| oiaohm | The kind that cuts the paper and uses the cut bit to hold the pages toeghter. shreddar | Feb 13 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically a shredder compadible staple. | Feb 13 22:38 |
| shreddar | I've never heard of that. I'd like see one of those. | Feb 13 22:38 |
| oiaohm | http://www.latestbuy.com.au/staple-less-stapler.html | Feb 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft sold 244 copies of Vista in a country with over a billion people? | Feb 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | That's sad, even for them | Feb 13 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Question did they sell them. | Feb 13 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Or were thoses the give ways DaemonFC | Feb 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, They may have sold more copies in Malta than in all of China | Feb 13 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | http://maketecheasier.com/openshot-%E2%80%93-an-easy-to-use-video-editor-for-the-average-linux-user/2010/02/01 has anyone used it? | Feb 13 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, Microsoft declined to comment on it | Feb 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It's propbably rare to find WIndows at the stores there | Feb 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Stores are just some bazaar | Feb 13 22:45 |
| shreddar | I beable to give out 14 page (7 wide pices of paper) comic with one of those. | Feb 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | For Windows anyway | Feb 13 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's probably rare to find licensed copies of Windows | Feb 13 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Paying for the physical CD | Feb 13 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese are heavily dependent on Windows in relation to how many copies they actually bought | Feb 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | How can they say 244 accurately | Feb 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | ? | Feb 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | That's what I never got. | Feb 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is now extorting OEMs like Lenovo for payments | Feb 13 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Well. Would *YOU* make up any number you want and choose to say 244 if you were Microsoft? | Feb 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | So they pay Microsoft like 1.5 billion for copies of WIndows | Feb 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | 2008 news | Feb 13 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only odd part about that | Feb 13 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | if I was going to make shit up I would at least say I sold a million | Feb 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | What amuses me is that Microsoft admits Vista failed | Feb 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | BUT..... | Feb 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | All along they told us it was GREAT | Feb 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | The liars have no dshame | Feb 13 22:47 |
| schestowitz | No wodner many of their managers are quitting now | Feb 13 22:47 |
| shreddar | You didn't buy a 360 apparently. | Feb 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Firestarter edition? | Feb 13 22:48 |
| shreddar | They lied, lied and lied some more about the hardware failers | Feb 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | well, they were also trying to say XP RTM was great even though it still has many problems after almost 4,000 patches (including SPs) | Feb 13 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 22:48 |
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| oiaohm | And patches for XP are still coming. | Feb 13 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Then when patches break machines its malware. | Feb 13 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | they could have left XP in beta until NOW and there'd still be lots of things wrong with it | Feb 13 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Lot have been broken due to changes in the driver stack. | Feb 13 22:49 |
| shreddar | Then sundenly a warranty came out of the the absolutly not defected 360s. | Feb 13 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | when it just went out it was crashing all the time, refusing to run lots of programs, it was slow | Feb 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/31/63000-windows-bugs-linux-cli/ | Feb 13 22:49 |
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| oiaohm | MS updates did not check if drivers were compadible before appling the updates. DaemonFC | Feb 13 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Few 2003 servers here have been brilent. | Feb 13 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Same with a few 2009 | Feb 13 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Opps 2008 | Feb 13 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Network either stopping or performing like a dog straight after a update because driver is too old. | Feb 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I remember writing in 2006 about patches that suspended networking in XP | Feb 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Repeated issues | Feb 13 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Its the issue of closed source drivers. | Feb 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | No wonder people dodged Patch/botch Tuesday after that | Feb 13 22:51 |
| shreddar | The worst part is everyone knew about the defects before they even started manufactoring. | Feb 13 22:51 |
| shreddar | everyone in the that division. | Feb 13 22:51 |
| oiaohm | If there is somethign wrong in the driver stack. And you have to alter it since the drivers are closed everything can bust. | Feb 13 22:51 |
| oiaohm | People complain about Linux developers not working with closed source drivers. Simple fact closed source drivers is not sane. | Feb 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxbsdos.com/2010/02/04/how-to-enhance-the-physical-security-posture-of-your-linuxbsd-powered-pc/ | Feb 13 22:52 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm they missed don't suspend to ram. schestowitz | Feb 13 22:54 |
| oiaohm | And don't level it logged in not secured physically. | Feb 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/2010/02/02/the-good-and-bad-of-ubuntu-tweak/ | Feb 13 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ifreetablet.com/indexEN.php <- SPain only??? | Feb 13 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | SOme food news today from Mand: http://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/delta-informatique-looks-to-mandriva-linux-2009-for-its-core-banking-system-in-soci | Feb 13 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2995 | Feb 13 23:02 |
| schestowitz | f14 has already begun | Feb 13 23:02 |
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| oiaohm | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/1317249/The-Wi-Fi-On-the-Bus | Feb 13 23:11 |
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| oiaohm | Ok what is wrong with chess games and other games on the buses. The trouble is people have nothing todo. | Feb 13 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Humans nothing todo= trouble. | Feb 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cherrysave.com/linux/record-your-desktop-with-linux-tools/ | Feb 13 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: cancer | Feb 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Although with wi-fi it's far less severe | Feb 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | The broadcasting side (not receiving) is short-range | Feb 13 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/Cell-phone-safety-a-tough-call/2100-1033_3-258120.html | Feb 13 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9999188-1.html | Feb 13 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | "He suggests that people try to avoid constantly carrying their cell phones on their bodies and also try not to keep the devices nearby at night under the pillow or on a nightstand. He even warns against using cell phones in public places like buses because it exposes others to the phone's electromagnetic fields. " | Feb 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't even like it when people use it at the gym | Feb 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | usually just for text messaging, though | Feb 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thechromesource.com/ubuntu-now-calls-google-docs-the-standard/ | Feb 13 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | Well, they backtracked :0-) | Feb 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | It would be possible for people to treat nearby caller like they treat a smoker near them and politely request refrain. | Feb 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/W3C-proposes-hardware-interface-921734.html http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7694/1.html | Feb 13 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/technology/new-approach-sought-with-open-source-desktops | Feb 13 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/clonezilla/ | Feb 13 23:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Clonezilla (Live & Server Edition) review | Linux User .::. Size~: 35.14 KB | Feb 13 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I had to call Comcast in Washington to try and clear this up | Feb 13 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 13 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | this is a new one | Feb 13 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | it only lets them see accounts in the state that office is in, so it's telling me I live near Seattle | Feb 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | and thats on the other side of the country :) | Feb 13 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | so the reps in Indiana can't pull up my account | Feb 13 23:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: It is a school bus. You are inside a fairly well closed metal box so there can be nice little radio reflections. Really I don't like the idea of wi-fi on bus without a lot of care. | Feb 13 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | how the hell did this happen? | Feb 13 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Ok at least you are still in the same country. | Feb 13 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Check you IP number. DaemonFC | Feb 13 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie the geoip data on it. | Feb 13 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes I have seen this happen to me ie run out of ip's for my area. Used a IP from another for me then the system went bonkers. | Feb 13 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I accidentally logged into someone else's account | Feb 13 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | this person does live in Washington and has the same name as me | Feb 13 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | and I reset a bunch of shit on his account | Feb 13 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Feb 13 23:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: we already have it in trains around here | Feb 13 23:43 |
| oiaohm | So same password | Feb 13 23:43 |
| schestowitz | national rail lines | Feb 13 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Only rich people seem to be using it, the rest just absorb their radio waste | Feb 13 23:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: was there no authentication? | Feb 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Moto is breaking into two chunks | Feb 13 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Are your trains over there driverless as well. schestowitz? | Feb 13 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, my username was ryan.farmer and his is ryanfarmer | Feb 13 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Like the pile of *** that it is :-) | Feb 13 23:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and what about the password? | Feb 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | and I successfully reset his password and logged into ryanfarmer | Feb 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/146246/Motorola-To-Split-In-Two | Feb 13 23:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Motorola To Split In Two .::. Size~: 148.17 KB | Feb 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: semi | Feb 13 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow old news | Feb 13 23:45 |
| MinceR | did you have access to his email account or what? | Feb 13 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | they split i two years ago | Feb 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Feb 13 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | *in | Feb 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | everything | Feb 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Flight are mostly the same these days | Feb 13 23:45 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: offically split into different companies. | Feb 13 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: they already did | Feb 13 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | freescale and moto | Feb 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | People think of pilots as Hot Shots | Feb 13 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | clearly they're splitting into three now | Feb 13 23:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: did you have access to his email account or what? | Feb 13 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How's that for security? | Feb 13 23:45 |
| schestowitz | They are not even allowed to have fun and play unless it's a parade | Feb 13 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | freescale, moto, and moto mobil | Feb 13 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | or whatever | Feb 13 23:46 |
| oiaohm | The paper work to be independant companies is not fully done yet. Diablo-D3 | Feb 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | They do their objective, come back to ground/base | Feb 13 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, email, account info, everything of his | Feb 13 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | PEOPLE: I AM MAKING HUMOR | Feb 13 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | PLEASE GET THIS | Feb 13 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie split by name Diablo-D3 not by law. | Feb 13 23:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: how did you know what the password was reset to? | Feb 13 23:46 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: you're doing it wrong | Feb 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | The fantasy is being a pilot is sold differently.... like it's a bunch of BraveCowboyz(R) on a jet plane | Feb 13 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Or the Tom Hanks film about orbiting the moon | Feb 13 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It had linked both our accounts to my Hotmail | Feb 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | The "save the day" storyline | Feb 13 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: except that movie is fucking awesome | Feb 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: fun | Feb 13 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | and so it sent the reset question for his account that I thought was mine to my Hotmail account | Feb 13 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Feb 13 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | which one? | Feb 13 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean apollo 13, right? | Feb 13 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | because apollo 13 is fucking awesome | Feb 13 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, it's old news | Feb 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I recall it from ages ago and BN covered it 3 days ago :-) | Feb 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Moto is a LOT smaller now | Feb 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Than 2 years ago | Feb 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Nokia too | Feb 13 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: probably inaccurate depiction | Feb 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | But I never checked | Feb 13 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, yuhong | Feb 13 23:49 |
| schestowitz | pls don't feed trolls | Feb 13 23:49 |
| *MinceR doesn't feed yuhong | Feb 13 23:50 | |
| *yuhong has quit (Client Quit) | Feb 13 23:50 | |
| *yuhong (~chatzilla@pool-96-253-143-208.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Feb 13 23:53 | |
| yuhong | Well, I don't normally even read troll comments. | Feb 13 23:54 |
| yuhong | Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0556252/Yale-Switching-To-Gmail-Not-Without-Opposition | Feb 13 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Yale Switching To Gmail, Not Without Opposition .::. Size~: 171.01 KB | Feb 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I may report on this on my blog | Feb 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 13 23:54 |
| yuhong | DeamonFC: Where is your blog, BTW? | Feb 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-twitter-names-pixars-rowghani-cfo/ | Feb 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | yuhong in BN | Feb 13 23:55 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: The issue I have is MS always blames malware. The recent one was not. It was drivers. Change the driver stack don't check for upto data drivers first that support the driver stack change. OS splat. | Feb 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | We have 3 trolls there these days, or two with overlap | Feb 13 23:55 |
| schestowitz | If you feed, they stay | Feb 13 23:55 |
| yuhong | Yea, I don't normally read troll comments, this one did ring true, but even then I am not feeding them any further than necessary. | Feb 13 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Catch is yuhong I had it about 6 months before they did it to XP with Windows 2003 SBS. So that it happened to XP users as well it is pure incompetence. | Feb 13 23:57 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: More precisely, infected drivers. | Feb 13 23:57 |
| oiaohm | No | Feb 13 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Windows SBS 2003 had perfectly fine but old drivers. | Feb 13 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Same will be true with a lot of the XP's. | Feb 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/ | Feb 13 23:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 78.06 KB | Feb 13 23:58 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: correlation is not causation. | Feb 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | If some of the drivers were over 12 months old they would. | Feb 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | No longer run. | Feb 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Now if that is something that is need on startup. | Feb 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | OS is toast. | Feb 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Not a virus at all. | Feb 13 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Or malware. | Feb 13 23:59 |
| yuhong | oiaohm: I know, but correlation is not causation. | Feb 13 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Lack of due care on MS part. | Feb 13 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Best way to avoid taken blame for MS is say person had infected drivers. | Feb 13 23:59 |
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