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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 16th, 2010

schestowitztessier__: ping..Feb 16 00:10
DaemonFCIt's France...tell him to shoot back a few times and they'll be right over with the surrender papers *grin*Feb 16 00:18
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seller_liarbsnes author does not like mono Feb 16 00:40
yuhongOn MS planting people in other companies, yes that is in theory possible, but I'd use innocent until proven guilty here.Feb 16 00:40
seller_liarhttp://byuu.org/Feb 16 00:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: byuu's homepage .::. Size~: 31.67 KBFeb 16 00:40
schestowitzbsnes?Feb 16 00:40
seller_liaryesFeb 16 00:41
seller_liarlook about curse articleFeb 16 00:41
yuhongAnd so should HR and rescuiting, I think.Feb 16 00:43
*DaemonFC loves Quake WarsFeb 16 00:43
DaemonFC:)Feb 16 00:43
DaemonFCheavy weapons are the only ones worth using B-)Feb 16 00:44
oiaohmOk just found why my mouse does not run perfectly smooth.   Linux kernel has detected it twice.Feb 16 00:44
yuhongschestowitz: Have you seen this: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/13/0556252/Yale-Switching-To-Gmail-Not-Without-OppositionFeb 16 00:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot News Story | Yale Switching To Gmail, Not Without Opposition .::. Size~: 178.56 KBFeb 16 00:45
schestowitzYesFeb 16 00:46
schestowitzSome days ago, I thinkFeb 16 00:46
schestowitzPeople should host their own mailFeb 16 00:46
yuhongI think it reflect the tone of BN on this issue.Feb 16 00:46
yuhong"While it makes sense for small (and large) corporations to move to Gmail, something seems amiss when a top private university decides to hand everything over to Google."Feb 16 00:47
yuhongI think it reflect the tone of BN on this issue.Feb 16 00:47
oiaohmYale is not the only UNIFeb 16 00:48
oiaohma few are doing it here in australia as well yuhongFeb 16 00:48
yuhongOr course.Feb 16 00:48
oiaohmThinking that MS was offering there online service here free for UNI's and schools.Feb 16 00:48
oiaohmSomething is more than wrong.Feb 16 00:49
oiaohmGoogle service is not free.Feb 16 00:49
yuhongOf course not.Feb 16 00:49
yuhongOff topic, but: http://slashdot.org/submission/1172876/25th-anniversary-of-the-Intel-386Feb 16 00:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | 25th anniversary of the Intel 386 .::. Size~: 46 KBFeb 16 00:50
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oiaohmDon't make me feel Old yuhong.  I remember seeing them new.  I really did not need to be reminded it was 25 years ago.Feb 16 00:51
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MinceRmy first pc was a 386Feb 16 00:51
seller_liarhttp://byuu.org/Feb 16 00:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: byuu's homepage .::. Size~: 31.67 KBFeb 16 00:51
yuhongHow many remember this though:Feb 16 00:51
yuhong" (which was two years after the introduction of the 286 processor, though to be honest, it seems that only buggy engineering samples was available back in 1982, and it was not until a year afterwards that a remotely usable stepping was available that was used in the first PC/ATs. Anyone remember? The 386 had some early bugs too, such as the infamous 32-bit multiply bug.)"Feb 16 00:51
oiaohmMeFeb 16 00:52
MinceRseller_liar: nice... i prefer khexedit/okteta though :>Feb 16 00:52
yuhonghttp://groups.google.com/group/net.micro.68k/msg/6a19942cc36ee0d3Feb 16 00:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   68k vs. 8086 - (nf) -  net.micro.68k |  Google Groups   .::. Size~: 34.66 KBFeb 16 00:52
oiaohmI remember seeing the 80186 new.  yuhongFeb 16 00:52
yuhonghttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.intel/msg/5f01d102191c9baaFeb 16 00:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   286 Bugd in IBM PCAT's -  comp.sys.intel |  Google Groups   .::. Size~: 35.75 KBFeb 16 00:52
oiaohm8088 and the 8086 was just a little before me.Feb 16 00:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Areas Where Desktop #GNU #Linux Simply Beats #Windows http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/5-linux-features-i-miss-when-on-windows.htmlFeb 16 00:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 5 Linux features I miss when on Windows. | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 93.16 KBFeb 16 00:54
yuhongYea, the 186 was released only a year after the IBM PC, when most DOS apps was ports of CP/M apps which mostly did not do direct hardware access.Feb 16 00:54
oiaohmFor a public school my school had a heck old of computer hardware yuhongFeb 16 00:54
schestowitz[00:47] <yuhong> "While it makes sense for small (and large) corporations to move to Gmail, something seems amiss when a top private university decides to hand everything over to Google."Feb 16 00:54
schestowitz[00:47] <yuhong> I think it reflect the tone of BN on this issue.Feb 16 00:54
schestowitzyes, it doesFeb 16 00:54
schestowitzI wrote about this months agoFeb 16 00:54
yuhongI remember.Feb 16 00:55
oiaohmold/loadFeb 16 00:55
yuhongAnyone remember this: "and it was only early the same year that the first AT clones by Kaypro came out, which was so early that MS hasn't licensed MS-DOS 3.x to anyone other than IBM yet."Feb 16 00:55
oiaohmI remember to learning basic programming on mircobees that was rejected from my local high school for being too crappy.Feb 16 00:55
yuhonghttp://books.google.com/books?id=8C4EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA68&ots=Ldu4qollSo&dq=at%20clone%20kaypro&pg=PA68#v=onepage&q=at%20clone%20kaypro&f=falseFeb 16 00:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: InfoWorld - Google Books .::. Size~: 22.86 KBFeb 16 00:55
oiaohm8 mircobees to 40 students.Feb 16 00:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Polaris Makes "IStore #Linux " http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1211109&SMap=1Feb 16 00:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even #Barbie Uses #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/mfol http://ur1.ca/mfomFeb 16 00:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Polaris Launches IStore Linux  .::. Size~: 116.46 KBFeb 16 00:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Barbie slides into the cubicle, becomes a computer software engineer review | Laptops | Pricemo .::. Size~: 78.52 KBFeb 16 00:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computer Engineer Barbie: Dual Monitors, Linux - Tom's Guide .::. Size~: 77.87 KBFeb 16 00:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fifth Part of Series on #Linux Compatibility; Softpedia Has 84th Linux Issue http://ur1.ca/mfoo http://ur1.ca/mfopFeb 16 00:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Red Devil: Stuff That Works With Linux #5 .::. Size~: 85.08 KBFeb 16 00:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Softpedia Linux Weekly, Issue 84 - The weekly roundup for Linux users - Softpedia .::. Size~: 59.56 KBFeb 16 00:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Server with #GNU #Linux: Boost from #SGI , #IBM http://ur1.ca/mfot http://ur1.ca/mfouFeb 16 00:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SGI Cyclone Offers HPC in the Cloud  « Data Center Knowledge .::. Size~: 57.66 KBFeb 16 01:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4 Critic Finally Loves It, #Amarok 2.3 in [P]review http://ur1.ca/mfox http://ur1.ca/mfoy http://ur1.ca/mfozFeb 16 01:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Upgrading to KDE 4.3.5 (and should you?) .::. Size~: 32.02 KBFeb 16 01:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE 4.3.5 is starting to seriously impress | Linux and Open Source | TechRepublic.com .::. Size~: 61.38 KBFeb 16 01:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Amarok 2.3 - First Look  - Amarok Blog .::. Size~: 82.34 KBFeb 16 01:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo to Attend Upcoming #Linux Expo http://www.gentoo.org/news/20100213-scale-8x.xmlFeb 16 01:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle:         Gentoo Linux -- Gentoo at SCALE 8x .::. Size~: 9.2 KBFeb 16 01:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Its UID no, bank a/c & mobile phone & no more bijli, sadak & pani says nilekani http://uurl.in/H0FLU shit!(@samirsachdeva, @sunil_abraham )Feb 16 01:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slogan of bijli, sadak, pani is passe: Nandan Nilekani - dnaindia.com .::. Size~: 46.85 KBFeb 16 01:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT: @sivavaid If you want to understand the strange state of #privacy in social networks, read this http://bit.ly/cOYb7eFeb 16 01:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Bringing Blurry Online Privacy Into Sharp Relief   -  Jotwell: Cyberlaw .::. Size~: 24.37 KBFeb 16 01:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 with #KDE 4.4: Review http://ur1.ca/mfq5 http://ur1.ca/mfq6Feb 16 01:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 99.71 KBFeb 16 01:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Frederik's Blog  » Blog Archive   » Noteworthy Mandriva Cooker changes 1 February  14 February 2010 - Random thoughts of a Linux sysadmin  .::. Size~: 16.67 KBFeb 16 01:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Future and Drivers http://ur1.ca/mfql http://ur1.ca/mfqm http://ur1.ca/mfqnFeb 16 01:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Is There an Ubuntu 10.04 in Your Future? - Linux Servers and Apache News Story .::. Size~: 46.85 KBFeb 16 01:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue180 - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 75.49 KBFeb 16 01:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #LinuxMint 8 ( #KDE Edition) http://thelinuxblog.net/linux/linux-mint-8-kde-edition/Feb 16 01:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Mint 8 KDE Edition | The Linux Blog .net .::. Size~: 53.24 KBFeb 16 01:20
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oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/22877/Microsoft_Unveils_Windows_Phone_7_Series  Here goes the nasty.Feb 16 01:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Unveils Windows Phone 7 Series .::. Size~: 29.29 KBFeb 16 01:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mobile #Linux Groups Grows, Adds Members http://ur1.ca/mfr2 http://ur1.ca/mfr3 http://ur1.ca/mfr4Feb 16 01:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux group LiMo growing, Adobe joins| Reuters .::. Size~: 49.36 KBFeb 16 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  SRS Labs, First Audio Company to Join LiMo Foundation -- SANTA ANA, Calif., Feb. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- .::. Size~: 47.21 KBFeb 16 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android first to host Adobe's AIR for smartphones • The Register .::. Size~: 26.09 KBFeb 16 01:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux #Android Phones Show Up http://ur1.ca/mfr9 http://ur1.ca/mfra http://ur1.ca/mfrb http://ur1.ca/mfrcFeb 16 01:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sony Ericsson preps compact Android pair • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 18 KBFeb 16 01:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Moto shows off eighth Android 'andset • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 17.53 KBFeb 16 01:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android version of Nuvifone boasts multi-touch - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 60.15 KBFeb 16 01:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             St-ericsson and arm give android a leg up - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 56.85 KBFeb 16 01:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia and Charity Killer (Intel) Join Forces on #Linux http://ur1.ca/mfrh http://ur1.ca/mfriFeb 16 01:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ari Jaaksi's Blog: MeeGo time! .::. Size~: 57.38 KBFeb 16 01:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mobile World Congress: Network operators have big plans for platforms - 15/02/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 64.89 KBFeb 16 01:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Leads List of Top Operating Systems for Sub-notebooks http://lifehacker.com/5471394/five-best-netbook-operating-systemsFeb 16 01:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Five Best Netbook Operating Systems - NetBooks - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 68.25 KBFeb 16 01:29
oiaohmhttp://meego.com/  Nokia web designs been let go on a web site again.Feb 16 01:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MeeGo .::. Size~: 20.67 KBFeb 16 01:33
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schestowitzYeahFeb 16 01:35
schestowitzwhat do you make of wm7?Feb 16 01:36
schestowitzThey made it worseFeb 16 01:36
schestowitzNo multitaskingFeb 16 01:36
oiaohmAnd its more about online lock in.Feb 16 01:36
schestowitzBallmer told his engineers, "make it like MMMMMMMMEEEEEE........"Feb 16 01:36
oiaohmNo sync program so you have to send your data on line.Feb 16 01:36
schestowitzSo they made a dumb and ugly phoneFeb 16 01:36
oiaohmI guess to MS services.Feb 16 01:36
oiaohmSo MS can spy on more people.Feb 16 01:37
schestowitzLike SidekickFeb 16 01:37
oiaohmNice.Feb 16 01:37
schestowitzI.e. data lossFeb 16 01:37
oiaohmYep.Feb 16 01:37
oiaohmLike SidekickFeb 16 01:37
oiaohmBasically wm7 is upgraded SidekickFeb 16 01:37
oiaohmI would bet that is where the OS design has come from.Feb 16 01:37
cubezzzthe TSR program?Feb 16 01:39
cubezzzSideKick Windows 8 Ultimate!!!!Feb 16 01:41
cubezzzI even remember selling SidekickFeb 16 01:42
cubezzzahh, the bad old daysFeb 16 01:42
oiaohmAt least with android that thing still has a local sync option.Feb 16 01:43
oiaohmPeople need to be careful how much freedom they give away to there own data.Feb 16 01:44
oiaohmThe nokia intel merge I would if there will be another this year.Feb 16 01:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Tablet Running #GNU #Linux Appears http://netbookboards.com/2010/02/15/linuxs-tablet-answer-notion-ink-adam/Feb 16 01:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linuxs Tablet Answer: Notion Ink ADAM | NetbookBoards.com .::. Size~: 37.95 KBFeb 16 01:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Obama Can Now Use #FreeSoftware in Speeches http://lifehacker.com/5471419/telekast-is-a-snazzy-open-source-teleprompter-appFeb 16 01:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TeleKast Is a Snazzy Open Source Teleprompter App - teleprompter - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 61.85 KBFeb 16 01:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BitTorrent and #FreeSoftware Help #Twitter http://www.thinq.co.uk/news/2010/2/10/twitter-to-use-bittorrent-for-upgrades/Feb 16 01:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter to use BitTorrent for upgrades | THINQ.co.uk .::. Size~: 27 KBFeb 16 01:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Downloaded Over 300 Million Times http://ur1.ca/mftr http://ur1.ca/mfts http://ur1.ca/mfttFeb 16 01:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Openoffice Reports 300 Million downloads | Geeky Gadgets .::. Size~: 25.14 KBFeb 16 01:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source OpenOffice Records 300 Million Downloads .::. Size~: 20.99 KBFeb 16 01:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   300,000,000 Downloads Later, OpenOffice Ships Version 3.2  .::. Size~: 54.83 KBFeb 16 01:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Opera Embraces #BSD Licence, #Firefox Improves http://ur1.ca/mftx http://ur1.ca/mftyFeb 16 01:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Opera Dragonfly - Opera Dragonfly open for business .::. Size~: 36.42 KBFeb 16 01:54
oiaohmBSD selection is always double sided schestowitz.  Code done in BSD alterations don't always stay open.Feb 16 01:57
cubezzzboooFeb 16 01:58
cubezzzactually that's an improvement thoughFeb 16 01:59
cubezzzproprietary closed -> bsd license, definitely an improvementFeb 16 01:59
oiaohmIf it stays open yes.Feb 16 02:01
oiaohmIf it get help like what you get then closed back up again not nice.  Basically I reserve judgement at this time.Feb 16 02:02
cubezzzhmmmFeb 16 02:03
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DaemonFCoiaohm, There's also nothing keeping you from forking BSD stuff and relicensing it is there?Feb 16 02:08
DaemonFCApple forked a lot of it and said the fork was Apple Public Source LicenseFeb 16 02:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @wolever in Stanford test http://bit.ly/bm1N5P @JohnDCook multitaskers were worse than control group @ everything tested //food 4 thoughtFeb 16 02:08
DaemonFCso couldn't you make a GPL fork of a BSD-licensed program?Feb 16 02:09
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cubezzznot sure about thatFeb 16 02:09
cubezzzyou could just keep the BSD version for yourself and ... keep sharing maybe?Feb 16 02:10
oiaohmDepends on the BSD licence verison.Feb 16 02:12
oiaohmSome of the developers from the BSD world hate the Linux kernel for overwrapping some of there code.Feb 16 02:12
DaemonFChttp://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=264304&title=wikipedia-updatesFeb 16 02:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wikipedia Updates | Tosh.0 | Comedy Central .::. Size~: 58.16 KBFeb 16 02:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Labour MP apologises over Tory 'pig' comments - Comments altered after they were posted - yeah right lol http://tinyurl.com/yg7cxq7Feb 16 02:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC News - Labour MP apologises over Tory 'pig' comments .::. Size~: 49.28 KBFeb 16 02:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @okfn: Mapping open government data initiatives around the world http://bit.ly/czHn0uFeb 16 02:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Knowledge Foundation Blog  » Blog Archive   » Mapping open government data initiatives around the world .::. Size~: 27.41 KBFeb 16 02:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] as in China, pesticides use in Bt cotton increases in India. dis is how scince wrks. Bringng double benfit 2 seed industry @Devinder_SharmaFeb 16 02:35
DaemonFCIF parts of FreeBSD being used in Linux bothers them more than parts of FreeBSD ending up in Windows and OS X, that just shows you their way of thinkingFeb 16 02:36
DaemonFCbetter for it to be hoarded with no chance of any help developing it?Feb 16 02:36
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Aondooh thought for a second there that the opera browser would go BSD :PFeb 16 02:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: * Agrees*♻ @technikhil: RT Good Read @Carnage4Life: [Blog Post] Understanding the Real-Time Web for We... http://goo.gl/fb/VnyJFeb 16 03:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Reaching thrissur for @vibgyorfilm festival. Focus theme of the year is southasia; justice peace and democracy.Feb 16 03:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @scotteweinberg here's @mtgilchrist's VALENTINE'S DAY review at @cinematical: http://bit.ly/aTd4Up // pretty well deserved shitcanningFeb 16 03:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @eikonos "For a street to convey a sense of space, the buildings must only be as high as the street is wide"—Alain de Botton //WHO KNEW?Feb 16 03:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Interesting !! RT @gkjohn: CO2 = P x S x E x C http://is.gd/8tmls (via @achitnis)Feb 16 03:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Shoq RT @ebertchicago How Kubrick & Sir Clarke invented iPad http://j.mp/cuSZRv // what wd #kubrick have done with mocap tech of #AvatarFeb 16 04:17
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Ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/18Feb 16 05:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@rayvelline #ADHD symptoms caused by #lead exposure, new study claims http://bit.ly/adQ3RT // I thought this was pretty old news actuallyFeb 16 06:26
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Ender2070I was at one point diagnosed with ADHDFeb 16 06:34
Ender2070Ridalin turned me into a ZombieFeb 16 06:35
Ender2070in the end, a simple dietary modification was all that was neededFeb 16 06:35
qu1j0t3yeah, nasty stuffFeb 16 06:35
qu1j0t3i've heard a few stories like thatFeb 16 06:36
Ender2070overdiagnosedFeb 16 06:36
qu1j0t3yepFeb 16 06:36
qu1j0t3sadly, happens a lotFeb 16 06:36
Ender2070yeah most of the stuff that can cause the symptoms are in foods generally given to kids as normalFeb 16 06:36
Ender2070food colouring even does itFeb 16 06:37
qu1j0t3yesFeb 16 06:37
Ender2070once I stopped drinking kool-aid, i was able to concentrateFeb 16 06:38
Ender2070:)Feb 16 06:38
qu1j0t3:)Feb 16 06:38
Ender2070kool-aid = food colouring + sugar + waterFeb 16 06:38
qu1j0t3yeahFeb 16 06:38
qu1j0t3i find the concept of soda ridiculous and perniciousFeb 16 06:39
qu1j0t3i can't believe people pay so much for something so worthless at best, or actually harmful Feb 16 06:39
Ender2070I still drink sodaFeb 16 06:39
qu1j0t3hopefully not the Aspartame kindFeb 16 06:39
Ender2070hell noFeb 16 06:40
qu1j0t3:)Feb 16 06:40
Ender2070a byproduct of aluminum waste in my soda? no wayFeb 16 06:40
qu1j0t3it's  a dreadful substanceFeb 16 06:40
Ender2070I even remove flouride from my waterFeb 16 06:40
qu1j0t3but then, the phosphoric acid seems like a really good idea too.Feb 16 06:40
qu1j0t3i mean, they're not in this for OUR benefit, are they.Feb 16 06:40
qu1j0t3there was a great tweet related, recentlyFeb 16 06:41
Ender2070ahhh a like mind :)Feb 16 06:41
qu1j0t3somebody quoted Michael Pollan: "it's not food, if it's called the same in every language"Feb 16 06:41
qu1j0t3paraphrasing:)Feb 16 06:41
qu1j0t3Ender2070, probably. I hate corporate mediation of our food/drink Feb 16 06:42
qu1j0t3Ender2070, totally pointless and harmful in every respectFeb 16 06:42
Ender2070i think its meant to be harmfulFeb 16 06:42
qu1j0t3a corporation never improved a foodstuff from something naturalFeb 16 06:42
qu1j0t3the only motive is to tax us for what nature already provides, but betterFeb 16 06:43
Ender2070i've read books and quotes from books written by the elite who want to use food as a weaponFeb 16 06:43
qu1j0t3ugh, i could really rant.Feb 16 06:43
qu1j0t3Ender2070, yeahFeb 16 06:43
qu1j0t3Ender2070, it's all bad news, from whatever angle.Feb 16 06:43
Ender2070population control, dumbing people down, making people apatheticFeb 16 06:43
qu1j0t3industrialisation, control, profit, health. all negative.Feb 16 06:43
Ender2070then you have beer, "drink this! it'll make you fat and stupid"Feb 16 06:44
qu1j0t3Ender2070, yep.Feb 16 06:45
qu1j0t3Ender2070, like minds indeedFeb 16 06:45
qu1j0t3Ender2070, if "everybody" is doing something/ consuming something; be VERY suspicious of that.Feb 16 06:45
Ender2070you also have alcohol which is perfectly legal, most destructive drug out of them allFeb 16 06:45
qu1j0t3yes.Feb 16 06:45
Ender2070I usually have a hard time finding people who thinkFeb 16 06:46
Ender2070Which should sound ridiculousFeb 16 06:46
qu1j0t3Ender2070, nah, i get you. i find myself out of step with many people IRL, more or less.Feb 16 06:48
qu1j0t3Ender2070, certainly completely at odds with dominant culture.Feb 16 06:48
Ender2070YesFeb 16 06:48
Ender2070dominant culture can also be scaryFeb 16 06:49
qu1j0t3what impresses me more an more is its absurdityFeb 16 06:50
Ender2070i've been doing research over the last couple months that is pointing me towards a UN led communist agendaFeb 16 06:50
cubezzz??Feb 16 06:50
cubezzzsounds like paranoiaFeb 16 06:51
cubezzzand capitalist doesn't seem to be working too great ;-)Feb 16 06:51
Ender2070http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov?from=rssFeb 16 06:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dailymotion - Yuri Bezmenov - a  video .::. Size~: 56.41 KBFeb 16 06:52
Ender2070this video, ex-kgb member explains how the kgb was programming generations of people in the USFeb 16 06:52
Ender2070towards socialist idealogyFeb 16 06:52
cubezzzif anything there is an anti-communist hysteriaFeb 16 06:52
cubezzzsocialist ideas like FOSS? :)Feb 16 06:53
Ender2070you're not allowed to say communist, but you're allowed to say socialistFeb 16 06:53
qu1j0t3Ender2070, no socialist is a dirty word in the USAFeb 16 06:53
qu1j0t3as they understand it....Feb 16 06:53
cubezzzsocialism is good though, social program are goodFeb 16 06:53
Ender2070social programs are goodFeb 16 06:53
Ender2070marxist socialism is badFeb 16 06:53
qu1j0t3in fact both words are pretty much impossible to use there, due to this 'baggage'Feb 16 06:53
qu1j0t3and yes, some hysteriaFeb 16 06:53
cubezzzEnder2070, did you read about McCarthy?Feb 16 06:54
Ender2070the UN thinks China is a model state for the worldFeb 16 06:54
Ender2070McCarthy?Feb 16 06:54
cubezzzyesFeb 16 06:54
qu1j0t3but, since so many states are bankrupt, there's not much to say about social programs. they can't even maintain the roads, hospitals, fire dept, police and schoolsFeb 16 06:54
cubezzz"the Red Scare" and all that stuffFeb 16 06:54
qu1j0t3utah is chopping  a year off high school to save money. you;d think nobody paid taxFeb 16 06:54
cubezzzwowFeb 16 06:55
Ender2070the problem with the social programs is once they are implemented, they are hit with budget cuts to the point of uselessnessFeb 16 06:55
cubezzzthat's not goodFeb 16 06:55
qu1j0t3i don't think anywhere else in the West is that desperateFeb 16 06:55
cubezzzhow is Michigan doing?Feb 16 06:55
Ender2070you can't get a doctor very fast in canada (unless using a walk-in clinic) unless you want to be sterilized or want an abortionFeb 16 06:55
cubezzzhuhFeb 16 06:55
qu1j0t3well, quite a number of states are bankrupt. i think ppl should maybe ask some questions about where their taxes really went.Feb 16 06:55
cubezzzyeahFeb 16 06:56
qu1j0t3Ender2070, not really true, in my experience.Feb 16 06:56
Ender2070for some operations some people are in queues for yearsFeb 16 06:56
qu1j0t3Ender2070, but of course, everyone sees a slightly different system... one can always find positive and negative anecdotes.Feb 16 06:56
cubezzzI've never had a prob seeing a doctor, but I haven't been sick in a long time (not seriously)Feb 16 06:56
Ender2070i've seen a doctor for trivial things no problemFeb 16 06:56
qu1j0t3well, Canada is not really dysfunctional compared to our neighbourFeb 16 06:57
Ender2070non-trivial, non-life threatening operations take foreverFeb 16 06:57
cubezzzCanadian doctors couldn't be going to the States could they?Feb 16 06:57
cubezzzwith the current economy?Feb 16 06:57
qu1j0t3cubezzz, the states has a lot of immigrant doctors. read recently more Ethiopian doctors practice in the USA than in Ethiopia, for example.Feb 16 06:57
Ender2070I still consider myself left wing thoughFeb 16 06:58
cubezzzI voted for the greens myselfFeb 16 06:58
qu1j0t3cubezzz, canadians aren't emigrating in droves, the job situation in the USA is dire.Feb 16 06:58
cubezzzyeahFeb 16 06:58
Ender2070I just don't trust politicians, both major parties never change the agenda or repeal any of each others lawsFeb 16 06:58
qu1j0t3Ender2070, yes. the independents need to be strongerFeb 16 06:58
qu1j0t3Ender2070, to head off crap like Harper is pullingFeb 16 06:58
qu1j0t3Ender2070, he's unbelievableFeb 16 06:59
Ender2070yeah lolFeb 16 06:59
cubezzzHe'll be gone soon I thinkFeb 16 06:59
qu1j0t3cubezzz, I hope and pray (metaphorically)Feb 16 06:59
Ender2070he'll be gone once he gives us permission to have another electionFeb 16 06:59
qu1j0t3Ender2070, :)Feb 16 06:59
qu1j0t3Ender2070, I still have faith in Canada to get rid of himFeb 16 06:59
cubezzzsome folks are even saying to just get rid of Parliament altogther :)Feb 16 06:59
qu1j0t3cubezzz, the G-G needs a good talking toFeb 16 07:00
Ender2070one thing they need to do is get us off our reliance on the monarchFeb 16 07:00
qu1j0t3cubezzz, and i like the suggestion just to strike prorogation from the playsetFeb 16 07:00
cubezzzI never even heard of prorogue before thisFeb 16 07:00
qu1j0t3cubezzz, it makes sense just to eliminate it coldFeb 16 07:00
qu1j0t3cubezzz, i think. what could be the downside?!Feb 16 07:00
cubezzzI don't knowFeb 16 07:00
cubezzzI just don't know enough about itFeb 16 07:00
Ender2070it would be better to get rid of the position of governor generalFeb 16 07:00
qu1j0t3cubezzz, it seems like an abused loopholeFeb 16 07:00
qu1j0t3Ender2070, harderFeb 16 07:01
Ender2070if we have one, we're not democraticFeb 16 07:01
qu1j0t3Ender2070, the queen is a smart cookie ... she won't give it up any time soonFeb 16 07:01
qu1j0t3Ender2070, of course, but is any nation?Feb 16 07:01
qu1j0t3Ender2070, certainly not our poor neighboursFeb 16 07:01
Ender2070in the 80's, there was a liberal-ndp coalition which took power away from the conservativesFeb 16 07:01
cubezzzIt's just a slow time right nowFeb 16 07:01
qu1j0t3yeahFeb 16 07:01
qu1j0t3Ender2070, that would have returned if Harper hadn't prorogued in '08Feb 16 07:02
qu1j0t3Ender2070, that son-of-a-bitchFeb 16 07:02
Ender2070lolFeb 16 07:02
cubezzzI never voted for Harper, don't blame me :)Feb 16 07:02
qu1j0t3cubezzz, don't worry sirFeb 16 07:02
qu1j0t3cubezzz, like i said... i have faith in Canada's better nature to kick that thing outFeb 16 07:02
Ender2070I didn't vote in the last electionFeb 16 07:02
cubezzzThe greens could have got one seat thoughFeb 16 07:03
qu1j0t3cubezzz, Canada is better than Harper. Feb 16 07:03
cubezzzwould have been niceFeb 16 07:03
cubezzzoh yeah UN ranks us as 4th in the world I thinkFeb 16 07:03
cubezzzCanada is a pretty good countryFeb 16 07:03
qu1j0t3amenFeb 16 07:04
Ender2070if you watch that video I sent youFeb 16 07:04
Ender2070the 11:00 minute mark is very interestingFeb 16 07:04
cubezzzhe was probably thinking "everyone's watching the Olympics, just prorogue more" :)Feb 16 07:06
Ender2070exposure to true information doesn't matter anymore, once demoralized, he is unable to assess true information and the facts mean nothing to him, even if you bring him to the USSR and show him a concentration camp he still won't believe itFeb 16 07:07
Ender2070sounds like the average personFeb 16 07:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Is Peter @serafinowicz carrying on where Monty Python left off...Feb 16 07:07
qu1j0t3cubezzz, in fact, that was his EXPLICIT excuseFeb 16 07:07
qu1j0t3cubezzz, he figured we'd fall for it :(Feb 16 07:08
cubezzzhehFeb 16 07:08
qu1j0t3seriously, he tried that on.Feb 16 07:08
Ender2070I was thinking harper just wanted to be the PM of the olympics for his own fameFeb 16 07:08
qu1j0t3what was he really going to say? Ah... didn't want the heat on Afghanistan?Feb 16 07:08
qu1j0t3Ender2070, yeahFeb 16 07:08
qu1j0t3Ender2070, that sooFeb 16 07:08
qu1j0t3too*Feb 16 07:08
cubezzzwhy are they fighting in Afghanistan?Feb 16 07:09
Ender2070"I was PM when we won gold in Canada bitches!"Feb 16 07:09
cubezzzseriously, it seems someone is always fighting over thereFeb 16 07:09
qu1j0t3cubezzz, i used to think i knew whyFeb 16 07:09
cubezzzI'm sure the Afghans are sick of itFeb 16 07:09
qu1j0t3cubezzz, but it seems clearer every day that it's a plain errorFeb 16 07:09
qu1j0t3cubezzz, you bet.Feb 16 07:10
qu1j0t3cubezzz, daily civilian deaths.Feb 16 07:10
qu1j0t3cubezzz, i don't thihk that would play well on the streets of TO either.Feb 16 07:10
Ender2070more civilian deaths than legit onesFeb 16 07:10
cubezzzat least save some money and stop fighting, good grief :)Feb 16 07:10
qu1j0t3Ender2070, yesFeb 16 07:10
cubezzzand lives and everything elseFeb 16 07:10
qu1j0t3Ender2070, but that's the whole point of current technologyFeb 16 07:10
qu1j0t3Ender2070, and tacticsFeb 16 07:10
qu1j0t3Ender2070, state terrorFeb 16 07:10
Ender2070http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21440Feb 16 07:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 60 drone hits kill 14 al-Qaeda men, 687 civilians .::. Size~: 54.79 KBFeb 16 07:10
cubezzzthe British were fighting over something during the Victorian EraFeb 16 07:11
cubezzzno clue why thoughFeb 16 07:11
Ender207060 drone hits kill 14 al-Qaeda men, 687 civiliansFeb 16 07:11
qu1j0t3Ender2070, then, you express surprise that they resist, and declare resistance to invasion, "unlawful". it's a beautiful system.Feb 16 07:11
qu1j0t3kafka would be terribly proud.Feb 16 07:11
qu1j0t3687!Feb 16 07:11
qu1j0t3holy cowFeb 16 07:11
cubezzzyeah, I don't understand itFeb 16 07:11
Ender2070cubezzz - ask the dutch africansFeb 16 07:12
cubezzzthey did stop fighting thoughFeb 16 07:12
cubezzzeventuallyFeb 16 07:12
qu1j0t3cubezzz, British were in India, Africa, etc. Boer War, Boxer Rebellion, etc, etc, etcFeb 16 07:12
Ender2070fighting their own people over resources thereFeb 16 07:12
qu1j0t3cubezzz, the Brits perfected the mil/ind system even before the yanks, and it lives on in BAE and huge british arms industryFeb 16 07:13
Ender2070Boer WarFeb 16 07:13
qu1j0t3cubezzz, often overlookedFeb 16 07:13
qu1j0t3cubezzz, they keep it quietFeb 16 07:13
cubezzzcrazyFeb 16 07:13
qu1j0t3cubezzz, Pilger ripped the lid off it in "Hidden Agendas"Feb 16 07:13
Ender2070have you considered the US is just an arm of the British war machine?Feb 16 07:14
qu1j0t3Ender2070, hehe, two arms of one body, methinksFeb 16 07:14
Ender2070exactlyFeb 16 07:14
qu1j0t3Ender2070, don't forget France, Israel, Germany as large arms makers tooFeb 16 07:14
Ender2070and they have the tax base to afford itFeb 16 07:14
Ender2070UK and US, "IRAQ HAS WMD'S!"Feb 16 07:14
qu1j0t3Ender2070, it's collapsing. slowly but surely. they're not maintaining infrastructure on any levelFeb 16 07:14
cubezzzWar just is no good for the common people thoughFeb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3Ender2070, domesticallyFeb 16 07:15
cubezzzit's just terrible Feb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3cubezzz, right!Feb 16 07:15
Ender2070then Tony Blair gets a nice anthralling UN membership due to itFeb 16 07:15
Ender2070or EUFeb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3cubezzz, it's amazing that we're still dealing with it in 2010Feb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3like, nobody reads history?Feb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3especially 20th C historyFeb 16 07:15
Ender2070Brave New WorldFeb 16 07:15
cubezzzI read history more nowFeb 16 07:15
Ender2070nobody WANTS to read historyFeb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3Ender2070, every generation, they want to reset.Feb 16 07:15
qu1j0t3Ender2070, inject Hollywood History and reboot.Feb 16 07:15
Ender2070preciselyFeb 16 07:16
cubezzzHollywood is just garbage though :)Feb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3Ender2070, every generation needs to be told that there is a Just War to be fought.Feb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3cubezzz, of course it is.Feb 16 07:16
Ender2070how many people probably thing Inglorious Basterds was trueFeb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3Ender2070, right.Feb 16 07:16
Ender2070think*Feb 16 07:16
cubezzzMac virus stops alien invasion? :)))Feb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3Ender2070, dangerous tripeFeb 16 07:16
cubezzzthat was just stupidFeb 16 07:16
Ender2070historical video gamesFeb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3worse. it's dangerous. yanks believe that stuff.Feb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3it reinforces ppl like Daemon's fantasiesFeb 16 07:16
Ender2070LOLFeb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3they can not separate fiction from realityFeb 16 07:16
cubezzz"the bad guys"Feb 16 07:16
qu1j0t3cubezzz, EXACTLY....Feb 16 07:16
Ender2070ALSOFeb 16 07:17
qu1j0t3it's really perniciousFeb 16 07:17
Ender2070look up the term "predictive programming"Feb 16 07:17
Ender2070fiction bypasses the average persons filterFeb 16 07:17
qu1j0t3Ender2070, yeah. my favourite propaganda film in recent times is Deja VuFeb 16 07:17
qu1j0t3Ender2070, rightFeb 16 07:17
qu1j0t3Ender2070, once you recognise this, you see Hollywood for the deliberately contrived propaganda it isFeb 16 07:18
Ender2070bypass the filter, make it reality and you'll have less resistanceFeb 16 07:18
cubezzzI liked Logan's RUn :)Feb 16 07:18
cubezzzthat was a while ago thoughFeb 16 07:18
Ender2070its a very sophisticated brainwashing techniqueFeb 16 07:18
Ender2070look at Total RecallFeb 16 07:18
Ender2070naked body scannersFeb 16 07:18
cubezzz70's SF wasn't bad Feb 16 07:18
cubezzzyeahFeb 16 07:18
qu1j0t3and effective. ppl turn off the tv, it's like turning off the telescreen in 1984.Feb 16 07:18
cubezzznow we have them for realFeb 16 07:18
Ender2070look at the book "brave new world"Feb 16 07:18
qu1j0t3enough people turn off tv, the authorities will panicFeb 16 07:18
qu1j0t3hasnt happened yet.Feb 16 07:19
qu1j0t3but it willFeb 16 07:19
cubezzzI liked Sagan on TV :)Feb 16 07:19
Ender2070if they killed off the tv somehow, i wonder how long it would take before your average person started thinking againFeb 16 07:19
qu1j0t3some guy who shan't be named said in here recently, "hey 1984 wasn't true, it didn't happen in 1984. it's bogus."Feb 16 07:19
qu1j0t3heheFeb 16 07:19
cubezzzwell...Feb 16 07:19
cubezzzhe's right :)Feb 16 07:20
Ender2070lolFeb 16 07:20
cubezzzit's not true :)Feb 16 07:20
cubezzzwe have something else....Feb 16 07:20
qu1j0t3Ender2070, i stopped watching tv a decade or more ago, and that wasn't even the kind of toxic tv americans watch nowFeb 16 07:20
cubezzzBig Brother is Microsoft :)Feb 16 07:20
Ender2070i stopped watching tv about 5 years agoFeb 16 07:20
qu1j0t3hahaFeb 16 07:20
Ender2070live tvFeb 16 07:20
qu1j0t3Ender2070, that explains why you feel a little out of sync ... Feb 16 07:20
qu1j0t3i can relateFeb 16 07:20
Ender2070i still watch a few sci fi shows with commercials removedFeb 16 07:21
qu1j0t3i turned it off before 911... and after that it has not been usefulFeb 16 07:21
cubezzzI watched a lot of older filmsFeb 16 07:21
cubezzzlike _really_ oldFeb 16 07:21
qu1j0t3oh, yeah, cinema is different.Feb 16 07:21
qu1j0t3that's nothing to do with tv/hollywood machineFeb 16 07:21
qu1j0t3i still watch cinemaFeb 16 07:21
Ender2070the sci fi i watch is pre-911 tho tooFeb 16 07:21
Ender2070star trek :)Feb 16 07:21
cubezzzyes indeed, me tooFeb 16 07:21
cubezzzEnder2070, you ever see The Starlost?Feb 16 07:22
Ender2070nopeFeb 16 07:22
Ender2070you told me about it before thoughFeb 16 07:22
cubezzzyou might find it interestingFeb 16 07:22
cubezzzweird now hardly anyone remembers itFeb 16 07:22
Ender2070oooo CanadianFeb 16 07:22
Ender2070ever see "The Prisoner"Feb 16 07:22
Ender2070the originalFeb 16 07:22
cubezzzyesFeb 16 07:22
Ender2070i want toFeb 16 07:22
Ender2070i haven't seen it thoughFeb 16 07:22
cubezzzwatch the last episode first :)Feb 16 07:23
Ender2070"I am not a number! I am a free man!"Feb 16 07:23
cubezzzTHe Prisoner was a bit like a drug tripFeb 16 07:23
qu1j0t3cubezzz, the only major canadian series i know of is "The Lexx" ;-)Feb 16 07:23
cubezzzbut interesting :)Feb 16 07:23
qu1j0t3cubezzz, and Defying Gravity, but sorry -- that sucked ass.Feb 16 07:23
cubezzzsee, no one remember The StarLost :)Feb 16 07:23
cubezzzit had an amazing computer in itFeb 16 07:23
qu1j0t3cubezzz, i'll try and check it outFeb 16 07:23
qu1j0t3cubezzz, i liked Blake's 7Feb 16 07:24
qu1j0t3which also had an amazing computer-- oracFeb 16 07:24
cubezzzcomputers are way better in SF than in real life :)Feb 16 07:24
Ender2070sounds loosely connected to "Stars of  a Distant Earth"Feb 16 07:24
qu1j0t3cubezzz, i blame microsoftFeb 16 07:24
cubezzzoh yeah, big timeFeb 16 07:24
qu1j0t3:)Feb 16 07:24
Ender2070errFeb 16 07:24
Ender2070The Songs of Distant EarthFeb 16 07:25
qu1j0t3sounds like a mike oldfield albumFeb 16 07:25
Ender2070"The story is set 1,500 years in the future, on the faraway oceanic planet of Thalassa. Thalassa was populated by humans with an embryonic seed pod, sent out from Earth in a last attempt to continue the human race's existence."Feb 16 07:25
cubezzzthe computer on The Starlost had the weirdest speech patternFeb 16 07:25
cubezzzyeah it's similarFeb 16 07:25
qu1j0t3does it have Cylons???Feb 16 07:25
*qu1j0t3 ducksFeb 16 07:25
cubezzzno, but the ark is kind of like Canada itselfFeb 16 07:26
cubezzzeveryone is spread far apart and can't communicate very wellFeb 16 07:26
qu1j0t3heheFeb 16 07:26
qu1j0t3nice premiseFeb 16 07:26
qu1j0t3i guess separatism wasn't so compelling over thereFeb 16 07:26
cubezzzyou got a bunch of folks who don't even know they're on an ark travelling through spaceFeb 16 07:27
qu1j0t3wowFeb 16 07:27
qu1j0t3this also reminds me of Halo somehow...Feb 16 07:27
cubezzzclueless about tech and computers, living in an Amish-like societyFeb 16 07:27
Ender2070lolFeb 16 07:28
cubezzzit's very under rated actuallyFeb 16 07:28
Ender2070sounds like the guy who thought it up didnt like itFeb 16 07:28
cubezzzthat is trueFeb 16 07:28
cubezzzhe didn't like the final product because it was done on the cheapFeb 16 07:28
cubezzzHarlan Ellison I thinkFeb 16 07:29
Ender2070"As the filming went on, Ellison grew disenchanted with the budget cuts, details that were changed, and what he characterized as the progressive dumbing down of the story. Ellison's dissatisfaction extended to the new title of the pilot episode; he had called it "Phoenix Without Ashes" but it was changed to "Voyage of Discovery"."Feb 16 07:29
Ender2070lolFeb 16 07:29
Ender2070Pheonix without ashesFeb 16 07:29
Ender2070Before the production of the pilot episode was completed, Ellison invoked a clause in his contract to force the producers to use his alternate registered writer's name of "Cordwainer Bird" on the end credits.Feb 16 07:30
cubezzzearly 70's SF :)Feb 16 07:31
cubezzzit was kind of pessimistic Feb 16 07:31
Ender2070yeahFeb 16 07:31
Ender2070"Bova, frustrated that his advice was ignored, saw the first show when it was broadcast and quit. He asked the producers to take his name off the credits of all the shows, but he did not have a clause like Ellison's in his contract, so he remained credited."Feb 16 07:31
Ender2070ben bova was the science consultantFeb 16 07:32
cubezzzdid you like Andromeda?Feb 16 07:32
Ender2070not reallyFeb 16 07:32
cubezzzI don't seem to like anything on TV nowFeb 16 07:32
Ender2070hercules in space?Feb 16 07:32
cubezzzhehFeb 16 07:33
Ender2070lolFeb 16 07:33
cubezzzthe chick was neat thoughFeb 16 07:33
Ender2070the last sci-fi show I really liked was "First Wave"Feb 16 07:33
Ender2070canadian made too iircFeb 16 07:33
Ender2070Francis Ford Coppola had his hands in it tooFeb 16 07:33
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Wave_%28TV_series%29Feb 16 07:34
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Ender2070"Former thief turned security specialist Kincaid Lawrence "Cade" Foster’s life was idyllic, with a beautiful wife, good job and a nice house. Unbeknownst to him, a race of extraterrestrials called the Gua have identified him as subject 117 in an experiment to test human resilience. As part of this experiment, his life is systematically ruined, including the murder of his wife, for which he is framed."Feb 16 07:34
cubezzzyeah it's the alien invasion thing againFeb 16 07:35
cubezzzit's been done so many timesFeb 16 07:35
Ender2070its so good thoughFeb 16 07:35
Ender2070it feels like the original star trekFeb 16 07:36
Ender2070"Constantly pursued by the police, and a strange government agency called the Illuminati, Foster discovers previously unknown quatrains of Nostradamus, which tell of three waves which will destroy the planet unless the “twice-blessed man” can stop them."Feb 16 07:36
Ender2070he goes around using the book to stop their experimentsFeb 16 07:36
cubezzzummm, yeah sounds a bit far fetched :)Feb 16 07:36
Ender2070well yeahFeb 16 07:37
cubezzzbut of course most SF is Feb 16 07:37
Ender2070but its really like the original star trek, when they ran into bizarre planets/aliensFeb 16 07:37
cubezzzStar Trek was good...Feb 16 07:37
cubezzzI'm still a fanFeb 16 07:37
Ender2070yeahFeb 16 07:38
cubezzzthe thing about the original Star Trek, it had a future look to itFeb 16 07:38
Ender2070I've heard that Gene Roddenberry was a NASA employeeFeb 16 07:38
cubezzzwhere as stuff like V or The First Wave, Earth just looks like normal EarthFeb 16 07:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@iamMAMACITA Beautiful, stunning California. No other compares 2Cali // South/Latin America, Europe & SE Asia hold up pretty well actuallyFeb 16 07:38
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Ender2070yeahFeb 16 07:43
Ender2070http://www.kolibrios.org/Feb 16 07:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Popular Mechanics would prefer if u, y'know, just stopped questioning stuff http://bit.ly/cIx6xUFeb 16 07:46
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cubezzzit would make no sense for the US government to blow up the WTCFeb 16 07:55
cubezzzthe conspiracy theory is just stupidFeb 16 07:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Quintura Breaks the #Patent System by Using it for Welfare http://ur1.ca/mgleFeb 16 07:55
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cubezzzit messed up the stock exchange big timeFeb 16 07:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #MAFIAA Gets Own Place in the White House ( #IntellectualMonopolies Task Force) http://ur1.ca/mglhFeb 16 07:57
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Ender2070i don't believe in that one muchFeb 16 08:01
Ender2070however messing up the stock exchange would crash their economyFeb 16 08:01
Ender2070which would help a world currency be bornFeb 16 08:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ArchLinux So Good It's Difficult to Replace http://celettu.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/arch-is-hard-to-replace/Feb 16 08:01
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cubezzzpeople just aren't thinking that far aheadFeb 16 08:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Debate Returns, Fibre Can Offer Solution http://ur1.ca/mglo http://ur1.ca/mglpFeb 16 08:03
Ender2070they also used 9/11 to get all their totalitarian laws on the booksFeb 16 08:03
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cubezzzthat is more plausibleFeb 16 08:03
cubezzzbut it could simply be fear at workFeb 16 08:03
Ender2070they dont have to be complicit for that thoughFeb 16 08:03
cubezzzthe wire tapping without a warrant was bad obviouslyFeb 16 08:03
Ender2070dont need a conspiracy for them to put totalitarian laws ont he booksFeb 16 08:03
cubezzzthat is trueFeb 16 08:04
Ender2070Canada put similar laws on the books in 1998Feb 16 08:04
Ender2070the man responsible now works at the UNFeb 16 08:04
cubezzzwho was that?Feb 16 08:04
Ender2070gotta find his nameFeb 16 08:04
Ender2070Allan RockFeb 16 08:07
cubezzzhuhFeb 16 08:07
cubezzzI remember that nameFeb 16 08:07
cubezzzhe's not at the UN any more, left in 2006Feb 16 08:08
Ender2070oh it was probably before then when I heard about itFeb 16 08:08
cubezzzand he's a Liberal :)Feb 16 08:09
cubezzzfunnyFeb 16 08:09
cubezzzyeah he's not in public office nowFeb 16 08:09
Ender2070started off as PCFeb 16 08:09
Ender2070you know that Trudeau was a communist right?Feb 16 08:10
cubezzzuh no I didn't know that :)Feb 16 08:10
Ender2070he got a list of communists in canadian government reclassified tooFeb 16 08:10
cubezzzas far as I know, he was LiberalFeb 16 08:10
Ender2070"Trudeau was interested in Marxist ideas in the 1940s and his Harvard dissertation was on the topic of Communism and Christianity."Feb 16 08:11
cubezzzbut like a lot of people, I'm not too enthused with politiciansFeb 16 08:11
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cubezzzright, the 40's, I'm sure he changed his thinking afterwardsFeb 16 08:11
Ender2070he used to drive around on the halifax docks wearing a german helmetFeb 16 08:12
Ender2070lolFeb 16 08:12
cubezzzwhy?Feb 16 08:12
Ender2070something to do with ww2 and nazi'sFeb 16 08:12
cubezzzmaybe German helmets were really good :)Feb 16 08:12
cubezzzpeople have been calling Stallman communist for the last 25 yearsFeb 16 08:13
cubezzzbut even he's a capitalist of a sortFeb 16 08:13
Ender2070yeahFeb 16 08:14
cubezzzsometimes the Conseratives have a good idea, sometimes the Greens and sometimes the LiberalsFeb 16 08:14
cubezzzbut over-all I like the greensFeb 16 08:14
Ender2070gotta follow history dudeFeb 16 08:14
cubezzzyou can't keep crudding up the planetFeb 16 08:14
cubezzzsureFeb 16 08:14
Ender2070marxist socialism is NOT goodFeb 16 08:15
Ender2070unless you want 10% of the population killed off, by principalFeb 16 08:15
Ender2070watch "The Soviet Story"Feb 16 08:15
schestowitzEnder2070: Vay Guy is not a problemFeb 16 08:15
cubezzzwell I think in general communism doesn't work in large groups...Feb 16 08:15
cubezzzin a small group it could workFeb 16 08:15
cubezzzthink Amish againFeb 16 08:15
Ender2070works in ChinaFeb 16 08:15
cubezzzthey share everythingFeb 16 08:15
cubezzzuh, maybe, but ....Feb 16 08:16
Ender2070schestowitz - var guy is dumbFeb 16 08:16
cubezzzI think they have a lot of pollutonFeb 16 08:16
Ender2070yeahFeb 16 08:16
Ender2070and?Feb 16 08:16
Ender2070the UN is going to give them our money to fix that, like they give a shitFeb 16 08:16
cubezzzand personal freedoms are at a minimumFeb 16 08:16
cubezzzself expression is limited...Feb 16 08:16
schestowitzEnder2070: no comment.Feb 16 08:16
cubezzzCHina shouldn't be using Microsoft that's for sureFeb 16 08:17
Ender2070cubezzz - the UN loves everything about ChinaFeb 16 08:17
cubezzzthat is just .... crazyFeb 16 08:17
Ender2070one child per family, thought control, producing all the worlds goods, totalitarian controlFeb 16 08:17
Ender2070mass brainwashingFeb 16 08:18
Ender2070once a country hits post-industrial, they start clamping down and taking away rightsFeb 16 08:19
Ender2070anyways, there is this one specific show: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.us/CTTM2010/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_512_Governments_Song__In_Praise_of_Con__Keeping_the_Slave_in_Platos_Cave_Feb112010.mp3Feb 16 08:20
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Ender2070its pretty goodFeb 16 08:21
Ender2070schestowitz - so why isn't the var guy a problem?Feb 16 08:23
Ender2070seems he is just increasing his ad revenue with misleading articlesFeb 16 08:23
schestowitztessier__: pingFeb 16 08:23
schestowitzEnder2070: I used to correspond with himFeb 16 08:26
schestowitzBack in the days he covered MSFTFeb 16 08:26
schestowitzNow he's more FOSS focusFeb 16 08:26
schestowitzLeave him alone :-)Feb 16 08:26
Ender2070but hes wrongFeb 16 08:28
Ender2070digium has nothing to do with redhat's exchange businessFeb 16 08:28
Ender2070digium is voip stuffFeb 16 08:28
Ender2070redhat covered everythingFeb 16 08:28
Ender2070I gave him the benefit of the doubt by attributing it for advertising revenue generationFeb 16 08:30
Ender2070if its not that hes just dumb, lolFeb 16 08:30
tessier__schestowitz: pongFeb 16 08:31
schestowitzHeyFeb 16 08:32
tessier__How's it going?Feb 16 08:32
schestowitzI have a questionFeb 16 08:32
tessier__okFeb 16 08:32
schestowitzSince SaturdayFeb 16 08:32
schestowitzOn the 4th/5th the wordpress database shrankFeb 16 08:32
schestowitzEverything seems to workFeb 16 08:32
schestowitzBut the database became about 40MB smaller overnightFeb 16 08:32
schestowitzSo I wondered if you changed somethingFeb 16 08:32
tessier__Nope. I haven't done a thing.Feb 16 08:33
schestowitzI asked around in WordPress channelFeb 16 08:33
tessier__This past Saturday the 13th?Feb 16 08:33
schestowitzCould there be some cache int he DB?Feb 16 08:33
schestowitzI only noticed some days laterFeb 16 08:33
schestowitzThe database always grows each dayFeb 16 08:33
tessier__How are you measuring the size of the db? with du -sh?Feb 16 08:33
schestowitzI opened the compressed files before and afterFeb 16 08:33
schestowitzOne is about 470 mb, the other about 30 or 40 mb thinnerFeb 16 08:34
schestowitzThis got me extremely uncomfortable, but I have not noticed anything odd in the site (like missing content or errors)Feb 16 08:34
tessier__I wonder if there is anything that prunes out old data of some sort. LIke maybe a certain amount of time after you turned off that one plugin that was slowing things down?Feb 16 08:35
tessier__Can you tell which table it was that shrank?Feb 16 08:35
schestowitzI wish I knew how to checkFeb 16 08:35
tessier__If you have copies of the db before and after...Feb 16 08:35
schestowitzI installed mysql-adminFeb 16 08:35
schestowitzand mysql-server hereFeb 16 08:35
schestowitzYes, I have before/after copiesFeb 16 08:36
tessier__Do you have uncompressed copies of before and after somewhere on the server I can look at?Feb 16 08:36
schestowitztessier__: yes, hold onFeb 16 08:36
tessier__okFeb 16 08:36
schestowitzI'll put them on the servrFeb 16 08:36
tessier__Cool. I bet I can figure out which table shrank. That should give us some idea of what sort of data disappeared which might explain thingsFeb 16 08:36
schestowitzTransferringFeb 16 08:37
schestowitztessier__: I just wanted to check to be sure... it's obvious whyFeb 16 08:37
schestowitzAs I said, I saw absolutely no difference in operating, but I couldn't get any good answer in wordpress iRC... and never saw a DB shrinking over timeFeb 16 08:38
schestowitztessier__: it will take a few hours to transfer the files (about 3)Feb 16 08:46
tessier__schestowitz: Ok. I'm heading for bed but will try to take a look at it tomorrow. Can you send me an email or something with the paths to the two dbs you uploaded?Feb 16 08:53
schestowitzThanks!Feb 16 08:54
schestowitzYes, will doFeb 16 08:54
schestowitz~/wordpressdatabase-04022010.dumpFeb 16 08:54
schestowitz~/wordpressdatabase-11022010.dumpFeb 16 08:54
schestowitzIt's still being sent there over the network (2hr:50 to goFeb 16 08:55
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Ender2070Most people would die sooner than think — in fact they do so. - Bertrand Russell, The ABC of Relativity (1925)Feb 16 09:08
schestowitzHe lived a long life despite being a heavy smokerFeb 16 09:10
Ender2070yes he didFeb 16 09:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Spy & Pyro... oh God what, I don't even http://ur1.ca/mgqvFeb 16 09:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering where fsck.ntfs went on Ubuntu. I can't fsck an ntfs drive which means I can't copy it using clonezilla.Feb 16 09:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why it is reasonable to mention #GNU when referring to the Free desktop system http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/gnu-attribution/Feb 16 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ashley Highfield (Formerly of the #BBC ) ‘Pulls a Ballmer’ http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/ashley-highfield-hypocrisy/Feb 16 10:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Tomboy 1.1.2 (development release) now available in our PPA for jaunty/karmic http://bit.ly/93H6FVFeb 16 10:32
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Diablo-D3why is popey spamming us with microsoft shit?Feb 16 10:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How people with vested interests in #Microsoft help rewrite the “truth” about the company http://ur1.ca/mhbhFeb 16 10:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] New ACTA leak, it is a memo from the European Commission to the European Parliament INTA (LIMITED!): http://i5.be/at6Feb 16 10:54
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/22172890 "@schestowitz influential figures discredited !gnu (unlike Linus) long ago, and now there's inertia, and lynching-crowd effect.  sad"Feb 16 11:20
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schestowitz"@lxoliva indeed. Just watch what Kucinich needed to deal with"Feb 16 11:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Migration to #Microsoft offers an important lesson about the purpose of #Novell ’s #Mono and #Moonlight http://ur1.ca/mhhjFeb 16 11:46
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oiaohmI would not be too sure of internodes motivation.Feb 16 11:59
oiaohmI wonder if they are waiting for exchange to explode.Feb 16 11:59
schestowitzWowFeb 16 12:10
schestowitzoiaohm: big findingFeb 16 12:10
schestowitzI've just gone thorugh your old commentsFeb 16 12:10
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/irc-log-31012010.html#tJan%2031%2021:31:50Feb 16 12:10
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schestowitz"schestowitz: No reporter worth there salt should have been reporting unaudited numbers.  They should have learnt there lesson from enron"Feb 16 12:10
schestowitz"Now I know what the problem is.  (Unaudited) cannot be entered into sharemarket trackers  http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY10/earn_rel_q2_10.mspx"Feb 16 12:10
schestowitzoiaohm: read this new article: http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/14474891/c_14475974?f=home_todayinfinanceFeb 16 12:10
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schestowitzIt's dynamiteFeb 16 12:10
oiaohmhttp://blogs.msdn.com/shawnhernan/archive/2010/02/13/microsoft-s-many-eyeballs-and-the-security-development-lifecycle.aspx  << nice bit of fud.Feb 16 12:13
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schestowitzoiaohm: read the CFO articleFeb 16 12:14
oiaohmHmm exactly what did MS do wrong.Feb 16 12:17
oiaohmThat ammount of payment is far too much.Feb 16 12:17
oiaohmOr exactly what has he been paid todo.Feb 16 12:20
oiaohmThat is the biggest question.  We need to keep a close eye on GM.Feb 16 12:20
schestowitzNo, not thatFeb 16 12:24
schestowitzThat previously paid a guy to shut up about fraudFeb 16 12:25
schestowitzThis one smells bad.Feb 16 12:25
schestowitzI'll do a posFeb 16 12:25
schestowitzI'll do a postFeb 16 12:25
oiaohmThere is a issue why is the payment more than the pentity for breaking agreement.Feb 16 12:28
oiaohmschestowitz: Feb 16 12:28
oiaohmNormally if an agreement is to shut someone up breach means pay back all money.Feb 16 12:28
schestowitzYes, so..?Feb 16 12:37
schestowitzThat's the pointFeb 16 12:37
schestowitzHe has an incentive not to tell the truthFeb 16 12:37
oiaohmOr doing something in MS favor at the company he just moved to.Feb 16 12:41
oiaohmAnd use the agreement as a reason not to talk about MS plans against GM.Feb 16 12:42
schestowitzhttp://openattitude.com/2010/02/15/meego-paradise-lost-for-mobile-hackers/Feb 16 12:42
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schestowitzLike Ford Sync?Feb 16 12:42
schestowitzAnd KiaFeb 16 12:42
schestowitzWhere Microsoft puts its lock-in in cars?Feb 16 12:43
schestowitzWhy would Microsoft go /against/ GM?Feb 16 12:43
schestowitzThey have no product overlapFeb 16 12:43
Diablo-D3schestowitz: this is actually great newsFeb 16 12:50
Diablo-D3meego will be a complete failureFeb 16 12:50
Diablo-D3so there will be room for an actual open source alternativeFeb 16 12:50
schestowitzNice image here: http://thinkmoult.com/2010/02/15/big-brother-google-hello-goodbye/Feb 16 12:54
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oiaohmDiablo-D3: meego will not be a total failure.  At least we will have the kernel improvements if they don't make it.Feb 16 12:57
Diablo-D3well, yes, unrelated stuff can be fished outFeb 16 12:57
oiaohmWay the meego plan seams to be talked about.  There will be a lot of upstreaming of stuff.Feb 16 12:59
oiaohmSo fishing unreleated stuff if current plans are stuck to will not have to be done.Feb 16 13:00
Diablo-D3plans never survive contact with the enemy.Feb 16 13:00
amarsh04http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/15/police-drone-arrest-backfiresFeb 16 13:00
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oiaohmhttp://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture  The design does not look half bad.  Diablo-D3Feb 16 13:04
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oiaohmhttp://meego.com/developers/getting-started/create-basic-meego-application  Notice the more interesting  Diablo-D3.  Making a Meego application may be no different to creating a normal cross platform QT app.Feb 16 13:06
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: except QT sucks and is a pile of shitFeb 16 13:08
Diablo-D3so nothxFeb 16 13:08
oiaohmPlease don't say you think GTK is a good idea.Feb 16 13:09
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Diablo-D3its a better idea than qt isFeb 16 13:09
Diablo-D3but no, all this shits outdatedFeb 16 13:09
Diablo-D3and its dumbFeb 16 13:09
Diablo-D3and we need to quit using itFeb 16 13:09
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oiaohmTo replace with what Diablo-D3Feb 16 13:11
MinceRwith Zero, of course. the ultimate vaporware. ;)Feb 16 13:11
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Diablo-D3MinceR: no, obviously neno's windowing systemFeb 16 13:12
MinceRhe's making a windowing system now?Feb 16 13:13
Diablo-D3yes, eventually he'll have a whole OS doneFeb 16 13:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Did #Microsoft Pay Millions of Dollars to Hide Information of Financial Malpractice? http://ur1.ca/mhp0 seems possibleFeb 16 13:13
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oiaohmSimple point there is not many options Diablo-D3.   By the time someone creates something near the function of QT lots of time will have passed.Feb 16 13:16
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: qt is already behindFeb 16 13:18
Diablo-D3so Im not sure what you're talking aboutFeb 16 13:18
oiaohmbehind to what.  Diablo-D3Feb 16 13:18
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Diablo-D3we've had this argument before, and I actually have stuff to doFeb 16 13:19
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oiaohmAnd last time you did not find anything that beat it either.  Diablo-D3Feb 16 13:19
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oiaohmYet you have kept the same arguement.Feb 16 13:20
Diablo-D3you didnt like the alternativesFeb 16 13:20
Diablo-D3thats not my problemFeb 16 13:20
oiaohmI asked for something that beat in in function.Feb 16 13:21
oiaohmYou provided nothing in that class.  Diablo-D3Feb 16 13:21
Diablo-D3thats what you attempted to argue last time tooFeb 16 13:21
Diablo-D3but seriously, I have stuff to doFeb 16 13:22
MinceRDiablo-D3: you've had this argument before and you haven't made much sense back then, either. :>Feb 16 13:22
oiaohmDiablo-D3: not one you put forward support animation effects or acceleration assistance to reduce load. Feb 16 13:23
oiaohmInstead you were just putting forward light weight options that don't have the functions to render well.  Diablo-D3Feb 16 13:23
*Diablo-D3 could always put oiaohm on ignore for continued trollingFeb 16 13:23
oiaohmThe problem here Diablo-D3 if there is something techincally better as a option I do want to know.Feb 16 13:25
oiaohmNot blunt answer it just garbage.   If it is garbage there has to be something better than it.Feb 16 13:25
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oiaohmhttp://www.youtube.com/v/MXS3xKV-UM0&hl=en&fs=1  Not like there are many toolkits that can do let alone everything else.  Diablo-D3  Part of choosing a ABI is giving enough freedom.Feb 16 13:38
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oiaohmSo its not just me MinceR.  Diablo-D3 keeps on avoiding question?Feb 16 13:46
MinceRall the "waaaah, Qt sucks!" guys have, so farFeb 16 13:46
oiaohmI don't say Qt is the be all and end all.Feb 16 13:47
MinceRor it boils down to either "i hate C++!" or "i don't understand X!"Feb 16 13:47
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MinceRit isn'tFeb 16 13:47
MinceRbut it's a fine toolkitFeb 16 13:47
MinceRwith a different set of bugs than GTK+ :>Feb 16 13:47
oiaohmI have coded with blenders toolkit.Feb 16 13:47
oiaohmThat is a painful process.Feb 16 13:47
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oiaohmGTK+ little better but limiting.Feb 16 13:48
oiaohmOut of all the existing QT just seams the most sane to build a platform on at this stage.Feb 16 13:48
MinceRoh, there's one more kind of those guys, the "waaah, i hate KDE!" guys.Feb 16 13:49
oiaohmYep and a lot of them have not tried kde 4.3 and it shows by the bugs they complain about.Feb 16 13:49
oiaohmHeck some have not even tried KDE 4.2 either.Feb 16 13:50
oiaohmI do truly give that KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were painful.Feb 16 13:50
MinceRthose guys were around even when KDE 3 was the newest version.Feb 16 13:51
oiaohmSo was I.Feb 16 13:51
oiaohmI remember not having enough ram to run KDE 3.0 so was stuck with enlightenment.Feb 16 13:51
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oiaohmIe my hate was not set in stone and moved with the times.  MinceRFeb 16 13:55
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oiaohmnetcraft web survey is late again.Feb 16 13:59
schestowitzIt doesn't matterFeb 16 13:59
schestowitzIt measures things wronglyFeb 16 13:59
schestowitzMicrosoft is now trying to run ap[ache on windowsFeb 16 13:59
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schestowitzIt gave funding to ASFFeb 16 13:59
oiaohmhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/1311236/Google-Patents-Country-Specific-Content-BlockingFeb 16 14:00
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oiaohmHmm wonder if google is up to trouble making.Feb 16 14:00
oiaohmThey will not filter cn now wonder if google with think it fare to take money from the likes of Microsoft of they do.Feb 16 14:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Hitler fails at making Hitler parody http://ur1.ca/mhsc #meta #awesomeFeb 16 14:07
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/gnu-attribution/Feb 16 14:21
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schestowitzI've noticed that a lot of people are simply shy to say GNU. Maybe I'm wrong to reach this conclusion, but I keep seeing GNU taking a lot of the insults for no justifiable reason.Feb 16 14:22
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schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/15/google-again-linked-to-australian-data-center-plansFeb 16 14:23
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Ender2070<schestowitz> Microsoft is now trying to run ap[ache on windowsFeb 16 14:24
Ender2070apache has run on windows since NT4Feb 16 14:24
oiaohmAt speed Ender2070Feb 16 14:25
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oiaohmschestowitz: thinking australia is very earth quake free.  HP has a large data center here.Feb 16 14:25
oiaohmEnder2070: Apache runs straight into NT issue with starting processes fast.Feb 16 14:25
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Ender2070Qt is also not behind, gtk is Feb 16 14:27
Ender2070Qt just got a boost from Intel tooFeb 16 14:27
Ender2070MeeGoFeb 16 14:27
oiaohmThe change will mean less developers working on GTK too.Feb 16 14:27
oiaohmNot good long term.Feb 16 14:28
Ender2070I think it isFeb 16 14:28
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oiaohmI mean for GTKFeb 16 14:28
Ender2070gtk -1Feb 16 14:28
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Ender2070we need to get off the mono infested gnome desktop entirelyFeb 16 14:28
schestowitz[14:24] <Ender2070> apache has run on windows since NT4Feb 16 14:28
schestowitzThey add integrationFeb 16 14:29
schestowitzLike SQL ServerFeb 16 14:29
schestowitzSee their patches post the bribeFeb 16 14:29
Ender2070lol apache could have done it themselves if MS let themFeb 16 14:29
Ender2070for instance you need to pay them lots of money just to sign a driver, integration is just a whole other messFeb 16 14:29
Ender2070perhaps MSFT realizes that IIS is doomedFeb 16 14:30
schestowitzDissing gtk is not a good ideaFeb 16 14:30
Ender2070Qt > gtkFeb 16 14:30
schestowitzit also goes back to days of gimp and gtk (before gnome)Feb 16 14:30
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schestowitzEnder2070: gtk is used by many guisFeb 16 14:30
schestowitzin LinuxFeb 16 14:30
schestowitzEven RHEL'sFeb 16 14:30
Ender2070I would like to see that replaced with QtFeb 16 14:30
Ender2070it has a futureFeb 16 14:31
schestowitzThe criminal takes his toys: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/15/carl-icahn-cuts-yahoo-stake-by-80-percentFeb 16 14:31
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schestowitzhe destoryed the companyFeb 16 14:31
schestowitzJob doneFeb 16 14:31
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schestowitzMicrosoft's new brick does not receive good publicity todayFeb 16 14:34
schestowitzThey also have some new obscure managerFeb 16 14:34
schestowitzThe others ones quitFeb 16 14:34
schestowitzZune exec and mobile one too..Feb 16 14:34
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schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/02/hands-on-semantic-desktop-starts-to-show-in-kde-sc-44.arsFeb 16 14:35
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Ender2070I saw that yesterdayFeb 16 14:36
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Ender2070I e-mailed him because he didn't include FedoraFeb 16 14:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Any feedback anyone may have on my posting pattern here is welcome. I still focus on FOSS.Feb 16 14:37
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schestowitzhttp://news.techworld.com/security/3212681/spam-hits-google-buzz-already/?intcmp=nws-hm-lFeb 16 14:43
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schestowitzEnder2070: he's OK with Fedora. He reviews it sometimes.Feb 16 14:43
schestowitzBut he also likes MonoFeb 16 14:44
schestowitzBlechFeb 16 14:44
schestowitzhttp://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/02/washington-state-about-to-give-microsoft-a-100-million-tax-cut-annually.html#comment-6a00d83451b2ee69e2012877a71c7b970cFeb 16 14:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Washington to Give Microsoft a $100 Million Annual Tax Cut...and Possible Amnesty on Past Tax Evasion - Microsoft Tax Dodge .::. Size~: 50.25 KBFeb 16 14:44
schestowitz"The subsidies cost Washington taxpayers approximately $10,000  per student per year. The bill’s high income beneficiaries earn an average $92,000 per year,  double the state's per capita income. (Source: USDOL ETA 2008),"Feb 16 14:44
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schestowitzwhat does this run? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/02/16/lg_intros_air_sync/Feb 16 14:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LG to bring over-the-air phone sync to all • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 17.8 KBFeb 16 14:48
Ender2070"Although I typically favor openSUSE as a reference distribution for KDE reviews due to its superior integration, I ran into a number of packaging issues when I attempted to install KDE SC 4.4 from openSUSE's build service."Feb 16 14:49
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/16/abl_test_vid/Feb 16 14:49
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Ender2070superior integration = balognyFeb 16 14:49
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schestowitzEnder2070: to be fair to him, SUSE is good for KDE Feb 16 14:50
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schestowitzALways /has/ beenFeb 16 14:50
schestowitzMandriva too, but SUSE no less... maybe except the time when it prioritised GNOME, after Novell had taken overFeb 16 14:50
schestowitzTurbolinus is goneFeb 16 14:50
schestowitzThank goodness for thatFeb 16 14:50
schestowitzMost stake sold to some companyFeb 16 14:50
Ender2070Fedora is better than both of them for KDEFeb 16 14:51
schestowitzA lot of distros though are being andoidisedFeb 16 14:51
schestowitzClosed versionsFeb 16 14:51
schestowitzmaemo.. meegoFeb 16 14:51
schestowitzNo sourceFeb 16 14:51
schestowitzyes to patented codecs... drmFeb 16 14:51
schestowitzMicrosoft protocols like activesyncFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzSilver LieFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzMoblin will get Silver Lie binariesFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzSo I suppose Nokia will tooFeb 16 14:52
Ender2070what do you expect from a mobile deviceFeb 16 14:52
Ender2070they're all evilFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzNot that..Feb 16 14:52
schestowitzSub-notebooksFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzTabletsFeb 16 14:52
Ender2070dumbFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzThey inherit the mobile modelFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzNot the desktop modelFeb 16 14:52
Ender2070there are better os'sFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzSee, they closed them downFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzAnd dumb them downFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzSo you end up with a tablet that's more like a phone, not a desktopFeb 16 14:52
schestowitzMore restrictions and allFeb 16 14:53
Ender2070kde's netbook plasma makes maemo/meego look like a toyFeb 16 14:53
schestowitzyesFeb 16 14:53
schestowitzBecause it isFeb 16 14:53
schestowitzFor grown up kidsFeb 16 14:53
Ender2070yes and I don't plan on owning a device powered by meegoFeb 16 14:53
schestowitzThose who want to press some facebook faceFeb 16 14:53
schestowitzAnd then say "hi, lol yr like soooo cool!"Feb 16 14:54
Ender2070I only like meego for one thing, getting devs into QtFeb 16 14:54
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/336331/intel_nokia_meego_joins_brewing_os_war?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Feb 16 14:54
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 16 14:54
schestowitz"OS war"Feb 16 14:54
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schestowitzThat's what "professional" media is forFeb 16 14:54
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schestowitz"Annie, get your gun!!" We're going to "OS WAR"Feb 16 14:54
Ender2070even with chrome os, you got the source codeFeb 16 14:55
Ender2070how many variants of that exist based on the unfinished code - lolFeb 16 14:55
schestowitzNot reallyFeb 16 14:55
schestowitzChromium OSFeb 16 14:55
schestowitzAnd Android is said to be merge boundFeb 16 14:55
schestowitzwrt chrome osFeb 16 14:55
schestowitzIf Brin is rightFeb 16 14:55
schestowitzThat's the plan anywayFeb 16 14:55
Ender2070sometime in the futureFeb 16 14:55
schestowitz'When I grow up"Feb 16 14:56
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K46C82v9oFeb 16 14:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/336324/biggest_mobile_operators_join_forces_app_store_project?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Feb 16 14:57
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schestowitzHeh. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/16/windows_phone_angst/Feb 16 14:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft made a phone, and I hate it already • The Register .::. Size~: 23.47 KBFeb 16 14:57
schestowitzIt figuresFeb 16 14:57
schestowitzMicrosoft is faking demandFeb 16 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hans censoring my tweets with an #hsbxl tag now: http://is.gd/8vhDS #hsbxlFeb 16 14:57
Ender2070lol gsmFeb 16 14:57
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189337/Alleged_Windows_Mobile_7_Images_Leaked.html?tk=rss_news http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/16/windows_phone_7_series_website_down/Feb 16 14:57
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Alleged Windows Mobile 7 Images Leaked - PCWorld .::. Size~: 71.49 KBFeb 16 14:58
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schestowitzEnder2070: os gsmFeb 16 14:58
Ender20702009 called, 3g replaced youFeb 16 14:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Google admits Buzz social network testing flaws - Not testing flaws, but arrogant assumptions http://tinyurl.com/ybzwu27Feb 16 14:59
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Ender2070they should've beta tested buzzFeb 16 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Hans censoring my tweets with an #hsbxl tag now: http://is.gd/8vhDS #hsbxl > grow up, Hans. Not everyone loves youFeb 16 15:01
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100215/0216338163.shtml radiation in schools buses too now?Feb 16 15:14
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schestowitzHow does radiation from phones compare ti wi-fi?Feb 16 15:14
schestowitzhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123573568Feb 16 15:16
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schestowitzSurveillance tooFeb 16 15:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Checked your #MySQL recovery process recently? http://bit.ly/cStEbP #backup #backups #drFeb 16 15:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Nice try, Mr. Dan Brown, nice try. So.. tell us now, how much did the Freemasons pay you in return for this horse sh*t? #TheLostSymbolFeb 16 15:16
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Ender2070there seems to be no consensusFeb 16 15:19
Ender2070some scientists say its badFeb 16 15:19
Ender2070some say its not badFeb 16 15:19
Omar87Greetings everyone!Feb 16 15:19
Ender2070it depends on who you want to side withFeb 16 15:19
Ender2070cell phones or cordless phones?Feb 16 15:20
Omar87What is it exactly?Feb 16 15:20
Ender2070cordless phones allegedly output a lot of harmful radiation due to the base stationFeb 16 15:20
Ender2070more power than whats output from your cell phoneFeb 16 15:21
MinceR160842 < schestowitz> How does radiation from phones compare ti wi-fi?Feb 16 15:21
MinceRsome phones are spread-spectrum; all wi-fi is spread spectrumFeb 16 15:21
MinceRi think spread spectrum is less harmful than the more concentrated oneFeb 16 15:21
Ender2070i've still heard recommendations to keep wifi devices away from metal objectsFeb 16 15:22
schestowitzEnder2070: the industry-paid ones say i's benignFeb 16 15:22
schestowitzRMS said something to that effect, which I suspected for a whileFeb 16 15:22
schestowitzIt would be nice to align funding sources and existing studiesFeb 16 15:23
schestowitzLike they do with global warmingFeb 16 15:23
Ender2070oh yeah there is thatFeb 16 15:23
Ender2070grants are used to steer scienceFeb 16 15:23
schestowitzthe energy giants fund the denial os issuesFeb 16 15:23
Ender2070im not funded by energy giantsFeb 16 15:23
schestowitzMinceR: like idle phonesFeb 16 15:24
schestowitzMinceR: maybe?Feb 16 15:24
MinceRidle phones probably use less power than wifiFeb 16 15:24
schestowitzShort range, long range, polling frequencyFeb 16 15:24
MinceRphones try to conserve energy by using less power to transmitFeb 16 15:24
MinceRthat's why they could get so small :>Feb 16 15:24
Ender2070i don't believe in man made global warmingFeb 16 15:24
schestowitzEnder2070: I know you're not funded by themFeb 16 15:24
schestowitzBut you could be indoctrinated by those who areFeb 16 15:25
schestowitzThat's just the pointFeb 16 15:25
Ender2070lolFeb 16 15:25
Ender2070I read news where their key facts where debunkedFeb 16 15:25
Omar87schestowitz, howdyFeb 16 15:25
schestowitzEnder2070: do you "believe" in man-made deforestation?Feb 16 15:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just finished read Dan Brown's #TheLostSymbol earlier today. Anybody who read it would like to tell me how he thinks/feels about it?Feb 16 15:25
schestowitzOmar87: heyFeb 16 15:26
schestowitzDan Brown pissed you off?Feb 16 15:26
schestowitzI thought you liked the bookFeb 16 15:26
schestowitzEnder2070: debunked by who?Feb 16 15:26
schestowitzThe mailgate thing was blown out of prorotionFeb 16 15:26
schestowitzThey made the leak look like a scandalFeb 16 15:27
Ender2070I think global warming could be helped simply by going nuclear and reversing deforestationFeb 16 15:27
schestowitzSo as to give the impression of something corruptFeb 16 15:27
Ender2070none of these solutions require handing over my grandchildren over as debt slavesFeb 16 15:27
schestowitzAnd then muddy the whole water and say, "hey, let's just keep polluting"Feb 16 15:27
Omar87schestowitz: yeah, the book's pretty good, but the conclusion is bad. Very bad.Feb 16 15:27
Ender2070Lord Christopher Moncton for example pwned Al Gore's incoherant truthFeb 16 15:27
schestowitzwhere did you see this?Feb 16 15:28
Omar87schestowitz, or the "main idea", or whatever..Feb 16 15:28
schestowitzMaybe you sniff around people with their own interestsFeb 16 15:28
Ender2070heres one clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMe5dOgbu40Feb 16 15:28
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Ender2070heres the full thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stij8sUybx0Feb 16 15:28
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schestowitzOh, not that pitchFeb 16 15:28
Ender2070i sniffed around lord monktonFeb 16 15:28
schestowitzThe whole theory of "Obama being grown in Kenya to take over the US and hand it over"Feb 16 15:29
Ender2070where did you get thatFeb 16 15:29
Ender2070read the copenhagen treaty, stop being closed mindedFeb 16 15:29
schestowitz"Free Market Institute.   "...... LOLFeb 16 15:29
schestowitzFree market..Feb 16 15:29
schestowitzYou know what this School of Chicago BS means?Feb 16 15:30
schestowitzhttp://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/58530Feb 16 15:30
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Ender2070they host his talkFeb 16 15:30
schestowitzI'll watch it later anywayFeb 16 15:31
schestowitzKeeping an open mind and all....Feb 16 15:31
Ender2070check out the copenhagen treatyFeb 16 15:31
schestowitzcIt might be true that some people take advantage of the warming, BUT...Feb 16 15:31
schestowitzIt does not make it fakeFeb 16 15:31
schestowitzThat is to say:Feb 16 15:32
Ender2070it creates a world government and transfers wealth from north america to third world countriesFeb 16 15:32
schestowitzIt might be true that 9/11 was used to invade Iraq, BUT...Feb 16 15:32
schestowitzIt doesn't mean 9/11 was planned by the invadersFeb 16 15:32
schestowitzYou're leaping between causalities and correlationsFeb 16 15:32
schestowitzEnder2070: that seems justFeb 16 15:32
schestowitzthe third world needs elevationFeb 16 15:33
schestowitzNot with patent 'donations'Feb 16 15:33
schestowitz"IP"Feb 16 15:33
Ender2070its communistFeb 16 15:33
schestowitzIt's notFeb 16 15:33
Ender2070redistribution of wealth is 100% marxistFeb 16 15:33
schestowitzLike the neocons who say Obama is "Marxist"Feb 16 15:33
schestowitzEnder2070: noFeb 16 15:33
schestowitzundoing slaveryFeb 16 15:33
schestowitzThat's not communistFeb 16 15:33
Ender2070putting my grandchildren into debt-slavery isn't a solution to China's ongoing ignorance of the environmentFeb 16 15:33
schestowitzGet your facts preciselyFeb 16 15:33
Ender2070its not undoing slaveryFeb 16 15:34
Ender2070its going to cause the population to increase in north america, as we'll be poorFeb 16 15:34
Ender2070giving them a real reason to kill usFeb 16 15:34
schestowitzSo according to you, 1% controlling like 90% of the world's wealth is A-oKFeb 16 15:34
schestowitzThey won't kill toyFeb 16 15:35
Ender2070there are other ways to make them wealthyFeb 16 15:35
Ender2070besides robbing usFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzyouFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzAlthough extreme poverty killFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzLike in northern RussiaFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzLife span of like 40 yearsFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzWealth is imaginaryFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzProperty is notFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzWorry about the landgrab in places like CAFeb 16 15:35
schestowitzWHere they become properly of the governmentFeb 16 15:36
Ender2070north america in the future will be like northern russiaFeb 16 15:36
schestowitzThen slicedFeb 16 15:36
schestowitzUnlike Mongolia where they now try this tooFeb 16 15:36
Ender2070you should watch "The Soviet Story"Feb 16 15:36
Ender2070I think they should have that in every class roomFeb 16 15:36
schestowitzEnder2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OyIJtjdpoFeb 16 15:36
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Ender2070http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov?from=rssFeb 16 15:37
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schestowitzSend this to ESR :-) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/opinion/10grinker.htmlFeb 16 15:37
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schestowitzRadiobus: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/education/12bus.htmlFeb 16 15:39
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schestowitzEnder2070: she's Canadian... http://www.thenation.com/doc/20100301/kleinFeb 16 15:39
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schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/16/adolf-hitler-makes-a.htmlFeb 16 15:42
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schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4Mg any next-gen console confirmed yet?Feb 16 15:43
Ender2070her parents were communistsFeb 16 15:43
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Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naomi_KleinFeb 16 15:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Naomi Klein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 95.92 KBFeb 16 15:43
schestowitzEnder2070: I'm not quite seeing itFeb 16 15:45
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/22088735 "Oh, we *do* want this so much: http://is.gd/8qCnk - Bye bye proprietary mobile systems. Hello #Qt magic! !gnu !fsf !linux"Feb 16 15:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WishMaster (wishmaster) 's status on Monday, 15-Feb-10 14:02:15 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.66 KBFeb 16 15:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MeeGo: Maemo and Moblin merged by Linux Foundation - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.92 KBFeb 16 15:46
Ender2070of course notFeb 16 15:46
schestowitzI have a stupid question:Feb 16 15:47
Ender2070as the ex-kgb dude saidFeb 16 15:47
schestowitzIs it true that Android uses its own toolkits?Feb 16 15:47
schestowitzNo gtk?Feb 16 15:47
Ender2070once demoralization occurs, even if the facts are in your face you won't believe themFeb 16 15:47
schestowitzSome swpats people are former communistsFeb 16 15:48
MinceRschestowitz: afaik it's trueFeb 16 15:48
schestowitzAlso Microsoft secsFeb 16 15:48
schestowitz*execsFeb 16 15:48
schestowitzNot they have StallberFeb 16 15:48
schestowitzHmmmmm... Stallman and Stalin too similar?Feb 16 15:48
Ender2070im not against social programs, however these people use just causes to push their agendasFeb 16 15:49
*Eruaran listens to BeethovenFeb 16 15:50
MinceRthey are, to m$ fanboysFeb 16 15:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Pro-#torture, anti-civilisation http://bit.ly/ci256Y // Important refutation of Anderson's inhuman crazy talk #uk #gwotFeb 16 15:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pro-torture, anti-civilisation | Henry Porter |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 189.79 KBFeb 16 15:54
*MinceR is listening to: Unreal Tournament OST - Nether AnimalFeb 16 15:54
EruaranI am reduced to tears by Beethoven's Beethoven's late string quartets.Feb 16 15:55
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Eruaranuh... Beethoven twice...Feb 16 15:55
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10453214-38.html that's some intl' calls tooFeb 16 15:56
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schestowitzEruaran: the st. Bernard?Feb 16 15:57
schestowitz"woof woof" is a good hitFeb 16 15:57
MinceRlolFeb 16 15:57
schestowitz"woof" was lameFeb 16 15:57
schestowitzThe lyrics were all messed upFeb 16 15:57
MinceRit's degrading for the composer to name such a monster after himFeb 16 15:58
EruaranString Quartet number 14, sixth movement.Feb 16 15:58
schestowitzMinceR: huh?Feb 16 15:58
schestowitzThere's a  composer called like the dog??Feb 16 15:58
schestowitz;-)Feb 16 15:59
schestowitzMy birthday is same as Beethoven'sFeb 16 15:59
schestowitzEnder2070: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100212/1527178155.shtmlFeb 16 15:59
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schestowitzThey cover up deaths in the debt ceremonyFeb 16 15:59
schestowitzMAFIAA takes over the White House. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100212/1351148152.shtmlFeb 16 16:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Entertainment Industry Get Their Own 'Piracy Police' In The Justice Department | Techdirt .::. Size~: 246.82 KBFeb 16 16:00
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Find your geek today :P RT @g33f Why Geeks Make Better Lovers http://bit.ly/dmtmQyFeb 16 16:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Awkward Things I Say To Girls  » Blog Archive   » Why Geeks Make Good Lovers .::. Size~: 64.23 KBFeb 16 16:02
schestowitzGood photo of Antonio.... http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/14/broke-ass-washington.htmlFeb 16 16:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Broke-ass Washington state set to give MSFT $100M annual tax cut and amnesty for $1B in evasion Boing Boing .::. Size~: 103.48 KBFeb 16 16:03
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trmancohey guysFeb 16 16:10
MinceRhayFeb 16 16:10
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trmancoslow day?Feb 16 16:22
MinceRi guess soFeb 16 16:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @rahulsundaram: Since Moblin is based on #Fedora and MeeGo is planning to use RPM likely Fedora will be base distro for Nokia and Intel iFeb 16 16:22
trmancoping schestowitzFeb 16 16:23
schestowitzMy dad has only just found out about GSFeb 16 16:23
schestowitzThey may hevae 'stolen' over bn$70 from EnglandFeb 16 16:23
schestowitzLike in GreezeFeb 16 16:23
schestowitzLike in GreexeFeb 16 16:23
MinceRGeneral Standard?Feb 16 16:23
schestowitzLike in Greece Feb 16 16:23
schestowitzGoldman SachsFeb 16 16:23
schestowitzBig scnadalFeb 16 16:23
schestowitzAn editor of the Market (IIRC) blasted themFeb 16 16:24
schestowitzGet, trmancoFeb 16 16:24
schestowitzWhat's up?Feb 16 16:24
schestowitz http://prorev.com/2010/02/goldman-sachs-helped-greece-cover-up.htmlFeb 16 16:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UNDERNEWS: GOLDMAN SACHS HELPED GREECE COVER UP ITS HUGE DEBT .::. Size~: 27.21 KBFeb 16 16:24
schestowitz[16:16:46] Roy: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/thespread/volcker_to_goldman_sachs_give_up_Cwpu63pVnFOPI9QlspignNFeb 16 16:24
schestowitz[16:16:53] Roy: http://baselinescenario.com/2010/02/14/goldman-goes-rogue-%E2%80%93-special-european-audit-to-follow/Feb 16 16:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Volcker to Goldman Sachs: give up banking .::. Size~: 59.15 KBFeb 16 16:24
schestowitz[16:16:54] Roy: http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2010/02/february-15-2010-will-europe-throw-out.htmlFeb 16 16:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Goldman Goes Rogue – Special European Audit To Follow «  The Baseline Scenario .::. Size~: 226.12 KBFeb 16 16:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Automatic Earth: February 15 2010: Will Europe throw out Goldman Sachs? .::. Size~: 289.7 KBFeb 16 16:24
schestowitz[16:16:58] Roy: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/edmundconway/100003757/did-goldman-sachs-help-britain-hide-its-debts-toFeb 16 16:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Telegraph Blogs .::. Size~: 72.58 KBFeb 16 16:24
trmancoschestowitz: just surfing the web, and dropped by to say helloFeb 16 16:24
schestowitzIs everything good?Feb 16 16:24
trmancoyeah, it's just that it's cold outsideFeb 16 16:25
schestowitzI installed the latest version of phIRCe on the serverFeb 16 16:25
trmancowent to the gym yesterdayFeb 16 16:25
schestowitzOh, patch WordPress BTWFeb 16 16:25
trmancooh, will doFeb 16 16:25
schestowitzOur DB got smaller some days ago and I don't know whyFeb 16 16:25
schestowitzI'm waiting for tessier__ to take a lookFeb 16 16:25
Ender2070 <schestowitz> They cover up deaths in the debt ceremonyFeb 16 16:26
Ender2070i thought it was fishy tooFeb 16 16:26
schestowitzAlways so negative, this guy: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/chrome_os_desktop_winner_think_notFeb 16 16:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: So is ChromeOS a desktop winner? I think not.  .::. Size~: 39.92 KBFeb 16 16:27
schestowitzEnder2070: noFeb 16 16:28
schestowitzThey have copyright :-)Feb 16 16:28
schestowitzsarcasmFeb 16 16:28
schestowitzThey want exclusive rights....Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz....to broadcast a man's death!Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz :-)Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz:|Feb 16 16:28
schestowitz"Damn you, freetards! It's OUR death... we finally have this rare events to monetise.... DMCA... "Feb 16 16:29
schestowitzThey produced "Quality" content with their /defective/ facilitiesFeb 16 16:29
schestowitztrmanco: how's the diet that goes along w/ it?Feb 16 16:31
trmancoschestowitz: diet? don't need one, I just need to put on some muscle :PFeb 16 16:31
trmancoI'm actually too skinny Feb 16 16:32
schestowitzBut diet is more important than exerciseFeb 16 16:33
schestowitz"You are what you eat"Feb 16 16:34
trmancoyeahFeb 16 16:34
trmancoI have had a good diet for yearsFeb 16 16:34
schestowitzYou are not what you s* (hey! It rhymes)Feb 16 16:34
trmancoa healthy one tooFeb 16 16:34
trmancoI eat my vegetables for example :PFeb 16 16:34
trmancoIm not a big fan of french friesFeb 16 16:35
trmancohamburgers full of fatty sauces and meatFeb 16 16:35
MinceRif "you are what you eat" then everybody is a plantFeb 16 16:36
trmancoI barely drink anything but water and milkFeb 16 16:36
trmancoa plant?Feb 16 16:36
MinceRyesFeb 16 16:36
trmancowhy?Feb 16 16:36
schestowitzMinceR: no, it gets processedFeb 16 16:36
MinceRplants don't eat; plant-eating creatures eat plants, and from the axiom follows that they're plantsFeb 16 16:36
schestowitzacids tear down the cells and build their own ones with different dna.. through duplicationFeb 16 16:37
MinceRanimal-eating creatures eat plant-eating creatures, which are plants, therefore they're plants tooFeb 16 16:37
trmancoLOLFeb 16 16:37
schestowitzAs I understand it, vegetables though have something that improves the replication, making it less lossy/defective and thus like longerFeb 16 16:37
MinceRso either this absurd conclusion is true or "you are what you eat" doesn't holdFeb 16 16:37
trmancofunnyFeb 16 16:37
trmancowell, that usually refers to those people that only eat junk foodFeb 16 16:38
MinceRthen again, a biologist friend argued that plants "eat" the nutrients they draw from the soilFeb 16 16:38
schestowitzMinceR: but water too is in contant circulationFeb 16 16:38
MinceRso we all eat soilFeb 16 16:38
trmancoand the ones that eat healthy foodFeb 16 16:38
schestowitzSo in a way we eat ourselvesFeb 16 16:38
schestowitzWe drink our own urineFeb 16 16:38
MinceRschestowitz: this is the Matrix?Feb 16 16:38
trmancololFeb 16 16:38
trmancothat is trueFeb 16 16:38
schestowitzIn your lifetime you'll consume one mulecule of urine (or more) that went through Shakespeare's bladderFeb 16 16:39
schestowitz*moleculeFeb 16 16:39
trmancohahaFeb 16 16:39
MinceRmy body holds a lot of information that distinguishes it from the organisms i eatFeb 16 16:39
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/TI-OMAP4-and-Blaze/?kc=rssFeb 16 16:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TI touts OMAP4 with do-it-all development platform - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 61.24 KBFeb 16 16:40
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/286927:some-opportunistic-developer-updates jono: "Rock and roll, my friends. "Feb 16 16:41
schestowitzI thought he was into heavy metal...Feb 16 16:41
MinceRthat dual-screen phone is funnyFeb 16 16:41
trmancowellFeb 16 16:41
trmancocya laterFeb 16 16:41
trmancotake careFeb 16 16:41
schestowitzMinceR: your snot is not an organism :-)Feb 16 16:42
jonoschestowitz thanks :-)Feb 16 16:42
MinceRschestowitz: i don't eat snotFeb 16 16:42
schestowitzSomeone doesFeb 16 16:42
schestowitzBacteria at leastFeb 16 16:42
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schestowitzANd if you wash that off then it goes into another digestion cycleFeb 16 16:43
schestowitzThe world's water is becoming more pollutdFeb 16 16:43
schestowitzArsenic evenFeb 16 16:43
schestowitzAnd the pesticides we manufactureFeb 16 16:43
schestowitzHigher birth defect ratesFeb 16 16:43
schestowitzNot to worry.... send A/Cs to the poles and refine the oceans with some water purifiers..... that ought to work ......:-SFeb 16 16:44
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schestowitzhttp://botptr.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/what-happened-ubuntu-you-used-to-be-cool/Feb 16 17:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What happened Ubuntu? You used to be cool& «  Robots Are Coming .::. Size~: 31.99 KBFeb 16 17:02
schestowitzHow's this one coming along? http://drfav.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/introducing-shaman-a-new-universal-package-management-frontend/Feb 16 17:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Introducing Shaman, a new universal package management frontend « A Quiet Place .::. Size~: 74.79 KBFeb 16 17:04
schestowitz"Microsoft managed to divert the journalists' attention from the essence of the agreement: Microsoft only embraces Novell to try to suffocate better Free Software in general." http://www.april.org/en/position-microsoftnovell-agreement-november-2006-0Feb 16 17:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Position on the Microsoft/Novell agreement of November 2006 | April .::. Size~: 22.81 KBFeb 16 17:13
schestowitz> Cool. While I was doing the translation, I ran into the following URLFeb 16 17:14
schestowitz> from a French pro-free-software group:Feb 16 17:14
schestowitz> Feb 16 17:14
schestowitz> http://www.april.org/en/position-microsoftnovell-agreement-november-2006-0Feb 16 17:14
schestowitz>Feb 16 17:14
schestowitz>  Like your pages, it gives a good write-up of why theFeb 16 17:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Position on the Microsoft/Novell agreement of November 2006 | April .::. Size~: 22.81 KBFeb 16 17:14
schestowitz> Novell-Microsoft deal is harmful to free software.Feb 16 17:14
schestowitzhttp://themortgagecorner.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-is-happening-in-and-to-our-nation.htmlFeb 16 17:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Mortgage Corner FORUM: What Is Happening In And To Our Nation?  A possible view .::. Size~: 142.44 KBFeb 16 17:16
schestowitzOk, bblFeb 16 17:16
omar_schestowitz, the funniest joke of the month is Microsoft's latest desparate attempt to compete with the iPhone. :PFeb 16 17:22
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Omar87schestowitz, If Apple want to prove how much of a bunch idiots they are, they would let MS's new blatant cloning of the iPhone slip without the nice lawsuit.Feb 16 17:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] If Apple want to prove how really dumb they are, they would let #MS's new blatant cloning of the #iPhone slip without the lawsuit.Feb 16 17:27
Omar87Hello?Feb 16 17:30
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ender2070_http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4MQFeb 16 17:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] NVIDIA Has Gallium3D Support In Fedora 13 .::. Size~: 16.61 KBFeb 16 17:48
ender2070_Open Source Gallium3D SupportFeb 16 17:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EFF: Digital Books and Your Rights: A Checklist for Readers http://eff.org/r.g9dFeb 16 18:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Visited #vibgyor2010 international short & documentary festival venue today. film workshop started today. South asian conf is on tomorrow.Feb 16 18:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] focus theme of #vibgyor2010 is #southasia : justice peace and democracy. Dr. Binayaksen, sirithunga jayasurya, etc will participate.Feb 16 18:23
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ender2070_stay tuned, over the next few days I might have time for an experimentFeb 16 18:42
ender2070_i have a voltage meter and i'm going to compare the power use of windows vs various linux distrosFeb 16 18:43
ender2070_which OS is more "green"Feb 16 18:43
ender2070_ill be sure to try out tiny core too hahaha :DFeb 16 18:44
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ender2070_cubezzz - http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/17Feb 16 18:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Chip based Debit Cards - DEFEATED | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 7.41 KBFeb 16 18:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #adium pet hate, must file a bug report or something: when you bring Adium to front in dock, it should not cover alerts with the #chat win!Feb 16 18:59
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/22198999#notice-22199226 "@schestowitz El Reg? The IT Tabloid that is about aloien abduction all over the place? ;-)"Feb 16 19:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.73 KBFeb 16 19:41
ender2070_very awesome - http://brej.org/blog/?p=346Feb 16 19:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Updating your BIOS without Windows or a USB stick | Not a Number .::. Size~: 29.28 KBFeb 16 19:46
ender2070_not that I still need to do this...Feb 16 19:46
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schestowitzender2070_: good video... Yuri BezmenovFeb 16 20:03
schestowitzThanks for thatFeb 16 20:03
schestowitzVery timelyFeb 16 20:03
schestowitzender2070_: I know Brej from hereFeb 16 20:04
schestowitzI worked with him, sort ofFeb 16 20:04
schestowitz8 years ago...Feb 16 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Half-black character? Not to worry, just put the blond blue-eyed white guy in BLACKFACE! http://is.gd/8wFIE #racefailFeb 16 20:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Outrage as Gérard Depardieu is cast as mixed-race hero Alexandre Dumas  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 59.96 KBFeb 16 20:06
schestowitz"@jwildeboer I used the past tense"Feb 16 20:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Half-black character? Not to worry, just put the blond blue-eyed white guy in BLACKFACE! http://is.gd/8wFIE Maman, comment je t'aime!Feb 16 20:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Outrage as Gérard Depardieu is cast as mixed-race hero Alexandre Dumas  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 59.96 KBFeb 16 20:09
schestowitz"@schestowitz Well that is no good which do you like now" http://twitter.com/satipera/statuses/9192248124Feb 16 20:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / satipera: @schestowitz Well that is  ... .::. Size~: 7.14 KBFeb 16 20:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@doctorow Dear expensive immigration #attorneys: please learn to open encrypted ZIP files. Its not hard. // try teaching them #GNUPGFeb 16 20:09
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ender2070_schestowitz - yes its very timely, npFeb 16 20:10
schestowitz"@satipera I honestly can't think of one, except some blogs like Big Brother Watch and Moody"Feb 16 20:10
schestowitzender2070_: except the communism partFeb 16 20:10
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/satipera/statuses/9192786615 "@schestowitz I saw today as my Job centre plus bod flipped through training courses that there was an introduction to linux :)"Feb 16 20:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / satipera: @schestowitz I saw today a ... .::. Size~: 7.28 KBFeb 16 20:10
schestowitzHeh.Feb 16 20:10
ender2070_they say communism, we say socialismFeb 16 20:12
schestowitzI say potatttoFeb 16 20:16
schestowitzender2070_: many things he says are like, "Bingo!"Feb 16 20:16
schestowitzLike the idea that in the crisis free market will be compromised (like bailout)Feb 16 20:16
schestowitzThis whole mind programming thing is scary and trueFeb 16 20:17
schestowitzCompanies like Apple and Microsoft do this tooFeb 16 20:17
schestowitzThey have the means ($$$)Feb 16 20:17
schestowitzI'm reading a book this days on the subjectFeb 16 20:17
schestowitzWill help with BN insights O reckonFeb 16 20:17
ender2070_i've been reading a book called "Brainwashing"Feb 16 20:18
MinceRneurolinguistics?Feb 16 20:18
ender2070_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing_(book)Feb 16 20:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Brainwashing: The Science of Thought Control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 96.3 KBFeb 16 20:19
ender2070_it goes into neurolinguistingsFeb 16 20:19
ender2070_bahFeb 16 20:19
ender2070_neurolinguisticsFeb 16 20:19
ender2070_It covers manson a bitFeb 16 20:20
ender2070_Did you know he tried Scientology but found it "too crazy" ?Feb 16 20:20
ender2070_Yuri was right about a lot of stuff, especially the part about showing facts to people and them still not believing itFeb 16 20:21
MinceRYuri?Feb 16 20:21
ender2070_Yuri BezmenovFeb 16 20:22
ender2070_ex-kgbFeb 16 20:22
ender2070_http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov?from=rssFeb 16 20:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dailymotion - Yuri Bezmenov - a  video .::. Size~: 56.32 KBFeb 16 20:28
ender2070_theres the video MincerFeb 16 20:28
schestowitzender2070_: Tyranny of the Olympics http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/02/sporting-life-4/Feb 16 20:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tyranny of the Olympics «  Prospect Magazine .::. Size~: 33.29 KBFeb 16 20:29
schestowitzMinceR: good vidFeb 16 20:30
schestowitz+1\Feb 16 20:30
ender2070_then theres a documentary called "The Soviet Story" which I was alerted by seeing this news article:Feb 16 20:30
ender2070_http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/peter_worthington/2010/02/03/12730236.htmlFeb 16 20:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: No refuting the hard truths in the Soviet Story: Worthington | Peter Worthington | Columnists | News | Toronto Sun .::. Size~: 68.17 KBFeb 16 20:30
MinceRif only Trash sucked lessFeb 16 20:30
MinceRso i could actually view itFeb 16 20:30
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schestowitzhttp://audioboo.fm/boos/92335-gamelan-workshopFeb 16 20:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: AudioBoo / Gamelan workshop .::. Size~: 9 KBFeb 16 20:32
MinceRthis piece of malware maxes out one core and also uses the otherFeb 16 20:32
schestowitzthe vid?Feb 16 20:32
MinceRi had to actually resize the browser window before loading the url because the browser freezes up if i try to scroll after Trash started runningFeb 16 20:32
MinceRyes, that Trash videoFeb 16 20:32
schestowitzohFeb 16 20:33
schestowitzFlushFeb 16 20:33
schestowitzI tried] to find oggFeb 16 20:34
schestowitzNo d/l linksFeb 16 20:34
schestowitzlasy year Dailymotion  said they's support oggFeb 16 20:34
ender2070_yes, tyranny follows the olympicsFeb 16 20:34
ender2070_look at the olympic historyFeb 16 20:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] spent some good hours building ffmpeg out of git to build it into blender. faulty system files made it quite hard, but cleaned up now.Feb 16 20:34
schestowitzGrrece.......Feb 16 20:35
schestowitz:-)Feb 16 20:35
ender2070_yes yesFeb 16 20:37
ender2070_lolFeb 16 20:37
ender2070_canada's hosted the games 3 times nowFeb 16 20:38
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schestowitztessier__: are you around?Feb 16 20:41
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ender2070_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1250813/MAIL-ON-SUNDAY-COMMENT-The-professors-amazing-climate-change-retreat.htmlFeb 16 20:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MAIL ON SUNDAY COMMENT: The professor's amazing climate change retreat  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 75.57 KBFeb 16 20:43
MinceRi can't even watch the video all the way because Trash crashesFeb 16 20:43
ender2070_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.htmlFeb 16 20:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 73.91 KBFeb 16 20:44
MinceRthe beta version of their player works thoughFeb 16 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz agreed, I have been following Glyn for a while now. Since I watched a video he did on floss.Feb 16 20:44
ender2070_LOL "Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon."Feb 16 20:45
ender2070_andFeb 16 20:46
ender2070_http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7231386/African-crops-yield-another-catastrophe-for-the-IPCC.htmlFeb 16 20:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: African crops yield another catastrophe for the IPCC  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 298.3 KBFeb 16 20:46
schestowitzender2070_: Vancouver is very hot this time of yearFeb 16 20:49
ender2070_ok?Feb 16 20:49
schestowitzender2070_: mail is borderline tabloidFeb 16 20:49
ender2070_their facts still check outFeb 16 20:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin Question marks. :)Feb 16 20:49
schestowitz"@glynmoody so many cellphones are not good news. They induce cancer"Feb 16 20:50
ender2070_cellphones could be asbestos 2.0Feb 16 20:51
schestowitzOpposite?Feb 16 20:51
ender2070_science on both sides fighting each other, nobody finding out the truth till 80 years laterFeb 16 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody ...feeling Mr Lanier's book is his revenge because nobody cares any more that he's the "father of virtual reality"...Feb 16 20:51
schestowitzRT @glynmoody I can't help feeling Mr Lanier's book is his revenge because nobody cares any more that he's the "father of virtual reality"...Feb 16 20:52
ender2070_virtual reality is vapourwareFeb 16 20:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] is it ethical for FOSS peeps to encourage peeps to join closed networks like Facebook? Even if it is for a FOSS projectFeb 16 20:52
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100212/1210038151.shtmlFeb 16 20:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Music Blog Mess Highlights Why Three Strikes Will Not Work | Techdirt .::. Size~: 176.95 KBFeb 16 20:53
ender2070_gnubook ?Feb 16 20:53
ender2070_ROFL, gotta love the UKFeb 16 20:56
ender2070_http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8506877.stmFeb 16 20:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/12/binyam-mohamed-alan-johnson-mi5Feb 16 20:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Binyam Mohamed storm widens as Johnson defends MI5 over torture |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 72.57 KBFeb 16 20:56
ender2070_the bbc article I linked is regarding UK's Pre-Death taxFeb 16 20:56
schestowitzNice video: http://www.cafu.de/Feb 16 20:58
schestowitzYou mock the UK, you !!1Feb 16 20:58
schestowitzhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/canadian-aid-groups-told-to-keep-quiet-on-policy-issues/article1465349Feb 16 20:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Canadian aid groups told to keep quiet on policy issues - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 90.57 KBFeb 16 20:58
schestowitz:-) :-)Feb 16 20:58
ender2070_what about this canadian newsFeb 16 20:59
ender2070_http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/02/15/asthma-ontario-health.htmlFeb 16 20:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CBC News - Health - 1 in 3 chance of developing asthma: study .::. Size~: 32.05 KBFeb 16 20:59
schestowitzWe still get some frost: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackheathspur13/4347878133/sizes/l/in/pool-96539599@N00/Feb 16 21:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Flickr Photo Download: - .::. Size~: 4.95 KBFeb 16 21:00
schestowitzWe had some snow early in the monringFeb 16 21:00
schestowitzender2070_: nice link, taFeb 16 21:01
ender2070_i've not decided if I believe in chemtrails, but it might support that theoryFeb 16 21:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Biathlon. How healthy is that. May I suggest swapping the rifle for a shopping basket.Feb 16 21:01
schestowitzTime to shut down GS: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/business/global/14debt.html?ref=global-home&pagewanted=allFeb 16 21:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wall St. Helped Greece to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 81.59 KBFeb 16 21:02
schestowitzMinceR: Feb 16 21:02
schestowitzHappy birthday to the Budapest Open Access Initiative, which is eight years old today. Feb 16 21:02
schestowitzhttp://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2010/02/boai-is-eight.htmlFeb 16 21:02
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ender2070_it doesnt help that the Canadian government said that the issue of chemtrails was "national security"Feb 16 21:03
schestowitzHeh.Feb 16 21:03
schestowitz"Defense forces..."Feb 16 21:03
schestowitz"National SECURITY"Feb 16 21:03
ender2070_yeahFeb 16 21:03
schestowitz"DOD"Feb 16 21:03
schestowitz"Homeland SECURITY"Feb 16 21:03
schestowitzIn Russia tooFeb 16 21:03
schestowitzBombs= defence budgetFeb 16 21:04
ender2070_lolFeb 16 21:04
ender2070_its always defenseFeb 16 21:04
schestowitzBamabama said that ACTA had to stay secret because of natiobal securityFeb 16 21:04
schestowitzProfits for MAFIAA is now a bombthreat?Feb 16 21:04
ender2070_seriously?Feb 16 21:04
schestowitzyesFeb 16 21:04
ender2070_the UK government classified that recent autopsy reportFeb 16 21:04
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=obama+acta+national+secuerity&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Feb 16 21:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: obama acta national secuerity - Google Search .::. Size~: 32.8 KBFeb 16 21:05
schestowitzBiden is a toolFeb 16 21:05
schestowitzBama seems like a tool's "yes man", sadlyFeb 16 21:05
ender2070_oh yeah I remember thatFeb 16 21:05
schestowitzPeople received warning about Biden before the electionsFeb 16 21:05
ender2070_shouldnt be national security unless they plan to use defense forces to enforce the lawsFeb 16 21:05
schestowitzHe's the left-wing Cheney in my eyesFeb 16 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "As unloved as a rubber chicken at a garage sale."Feb 16 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (shamelessly pilfered from @klynnwillis anecdote)Feb 16 21:05
ender2070_Downloading music illegally? Blackwater wants to chat....Feb 16 21:06
schestowitzender2070_: maybe they planned to bomb people's house if they swapped britney tunesFeb 16 21:06
ender2070_ROFLFeb 16 21:06
MinceRthere's no "left-wing" in JesuslandFeb 16 21:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (shamelessly pilfered from @karlylynn anecdote)Feb 16 21:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] watching survivors. It is not very good.Feb 16 21:06
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/11308Feb 16 21:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the other | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 69.6 KBFeb 16 21:07
ender2070_gotta stop focusing on the wings of the giant birdFeb 16 21:07
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/020807-rsa-cyber-attacks.htmlFeb 16 21:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the other .::. Size~: 84.53 KBFeb 16 21:07
schestowitz"Feb 16 21:07
schestowitz If the United States found itself under a major cyberattack aimed at undermining the nation’s critical information infrastructure, the Department of Defense is prepared, based on the authority of the president, to launch a cyber counterattack or an actual bombing of an attack source.Feb 16 21:07
schestowitzThe primary group responsible for analyzing the need for any cyber counterstrike is the National Cyber Response Coordination Group (NCRCG). The three key members of the NCRCG, who hail from the US-CERT computer-readiness team, the Department of Justice and the Defense Department, this week described how they would seek to coordinate a national response in the event of a major cyber-event from a known attacker. Feb 16 21:07
schestowitz"Feb 16 21:07
schestowitzDon't hijack PCsFeb 16 21:07
schestowitzYou could have T tomahawk flying through your windowFeb 16 21:08
ender2070_does that mean they will coordinate a national response to Microsoft's hijacking?Feb 16 21:08
schestowitzMaybeFeb 16 21:08
ender2070_:DFeb 16 21:08
schestowitzMicrosoft Bomb(R)Feb 16 21:08
ender2070_perhaps thats how they get us to accept itFeb 16 21:08
schestowitzThey just need some 2nd hand planesFeb 16 21:08
schestowitzMaybe they can use Gates'Feb 16 21:08
schestowitzHe could do a kamikaze on the file sharersFeb 16 21:08
ender2070_I used to remove spyware from peoples pcsFeb 16 21:09
ender2070_I am starting to like this ideaFeb 16 21:09
ender2070_bomb the spyware authors!Feb 16 21:09
schestowitzThe spywarre staysFeb 16 21:09
MinceRstart with Redmond?Feb 16 21:09
schestowitzit's like "bombing terrorism"Feb 16 21:09
schestowitzYou can't kill a person to kill codeFeb 16 21:09
MinceRyou can prevent future code if you know the right person, thoughFeb 16 21:10
schestowitzMinceR: start with Gold man's sacksFeb 16 21:10
MinceRGoldman Sucks?Feb 16 21:10
schestowitzGodman's Sachs... "doing God's work"Feb 16 21:11
ender2070_my idea of population control mixes in survival of the fittestFeb 16 21:11
ender2070_simply remove warning labelsFeb 16 21:11
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=Godman%27s+Sachs...+%22doing+God%27s+work%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Feb 16 21:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Godman's Sachs... "doing God's work" - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.49 KBFeb 16 21:11
ender2070_also don't require seatbelts per lawFeb 16 21:11
ender2070_lolFeb 16 21:12
ender2070_"Javex? is that a spice?" bamFeb 16 21:12
MinceR:>Feb 16 21:12
ender2070_leave legislation alone :DFeb 16 21:13
MinceR"the spice extends life"Feb 16 21:13
ender2070_if we stop saving idiots lives, the world would be better offFeb 16 21:13
ender2070_no need to regulate birthsFeb 16 21:13
MinceRindeedFeb 16 21:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Bavarian Minister of Justice: "you can't steal data" [german] http://bit.ly/bmee2X [english] http://bit.ly/bPCp26Feb 16 21:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: heise online - Justizministerin: "Daten kann man nicht stehlen." .::. Size~: 39.47 KBFeb 16 21:14
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schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/usb-power-outlet-iphone-universal-remote-impress-at-macworld.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssFeb 16 21:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: USB power outlet, iPhone Universal Remote impress at Macworld .::. Size~: 31.55 KBFeb 16 21:19
schestowitzMinceR: ender2070_: won't workFeb 16 21:19
schestowitzThe world needs people for many areas to be sustainableFeb 16 21:19
MinceRnot by itselfFeb 16 21:19
MinceRactually we might have the technology to replace a lot of people with machines already :>Feb 16 21:19
schestowitzIf you envision a world of only people with suitcases who write code, then you simplifyFeb 16 21:20
ender2070_http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100025849/control-freaks-want-web-licences-to-end-bloggers-anonymity-be-very-afraid/Feb 16 21:20
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schestowitzMinceR: that needs energyFeb 16 21:20
ender2070_ms employee wants thisFeb 16 21:20
MinceRi don't see why the suitcases are importantFeb 16 21:20
schestowitzTo extract energy you need labour tooFeb 16 21:20
MinceRi think backpacks are a lot more utilitarianFeb 16 21:20
MinceRless people need less energyFeb 16 21:20
schestowitzMore pragmaticFeb 16 21:20
schestowitzBTW, RMS goes around with a backpackFeb 16 21:20
MinceRor thatFeb 16 21:20
MinceRso do iFeb 16 21:21
schestowitzWhich may seem odd, but it makes senseFeb 16 21:21
ender2070_I go around with a backpackFeb 16 21:21
schestowitzI thought about it tooFeb 16 21:21
schestowitzI hate gym bagsFeb 16 21:21
MinceRi hate wasting a hand on just carrying something :>Feb 16 21:21
ender2070_why carry around a suitcaseFeb 16 21:21
schestowitzI'd rather carry my gear on my spinal areaFeb 16 21:21
ender2070_my backpack is even designed to hold a laptopFeb 16 21:21
schestowitzMinceR: get a partnerFeb 16 21:21
MinceRmy bigger backpack is designed to carry a laptopFeb 16 21:21
schestowitzYes, I see thoseFeb 16 21:22
ender2070_be back laterFeb 16 21:22
schestowitzSo ergonomic it hardly feels it's thereFeb 16 21:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.lovecleanstreets.org/Feb 16 21:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle:     Reports .::. Size~: 75.05 KBFeb 16 21:30
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/15/phil-jones-lost-weather-dataFeb 16 21:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hacked climate emails: Phil Jones admits loss of weather data was 'not acceptable' |Environment |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 182.91 KBFeb 16 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ergeekgoddess RT @WSJ #Haiti earthquake killed 200K-250K ppl + caused $13.2 bln damage // destroying #Iraq cost $12 billion every MONTHFeb 16 21:35
schestowitzhttp://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/02/journal-open-source-networks-and-heroin.htmlFeb 16 21:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Global Guerrillas: JOURNAL:  Open Source Networks and Heroin .::. Size~: 56.42 KBFeb 16 21:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 probably much moreFeb 16 21:35
schestowitz"@schestowitz I'm not sure that that's been conclusively demonstrated - the benefits probably outweigh the risks currently"Feb 16 21:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Customer Profiling | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9lbqxyFeb 16 21:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Customer Profiling | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 12.32 KBFeb 16 21:49
schestowitz"@glynmoody many studies defending it are sponsored by you-know-who. Shades of Exxon/Philip Morris..."Feb 16 21:50
schestowitzHeh. "content......." Blech. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/16/consumers-more-likely-to-pay-for-professional-online-contentFeb 16 21:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Consumers More Likely To Pay For Professional Online Content | WebProNews .::. Size~: 31.66 KBFeb 16 21:50
schestowitzThe cellphones experiment has lasted only a decade so farFeb 16 21:50
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schestowitzHi, tomsdaleFeb 16 21:51
tomsdalehi againFeb 16 21:52
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/report-france-deliberately-soldiers-nuclear-guinea-pigs/Feb 16 21:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Report: France deliberately used soldiers as nuclear guinea pigs |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 30.92 KBFeb 16 21:53
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/bristol-palin-calls-fox-writers-heartless-jerks-family-guy/Feb 16 21:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bristol Palin calls Fox writers heartless jerks over Family Guy snub |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 39.14 KBFeb 16 21:53
tomsdaleregarding my silverlight story - I got helped by the linux reddit channel but because it is silverlight it got downvoted (understandible). In the Canadian channel people didn't disagree with my position and I think some wrote their opinion to rts and ctv which I think is exactly the thing to do. Feb 16 21:53
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tomsdaleso if you are canadian and on linux and can't watch the olympics because of silverlight here is the place to complain about it.: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/about-us/contact-us/index.html Feb 16 21:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: About Us - 2010 Winter Olympics - CTV Olympics  .::. Size~: 37.51 KBFeb 16 21:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] forgot how funny Galaxy Quest was until I watched it again last nightFeb 16 21:59
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schestowitz"@schestowitz @glynmoody I believe cell phones provide a real risk, if you talk inhumanly too much."Feb 16 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz probably ... but i'll already get anti-tweets for saying even thatFeb 16 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 expenditure at about $800bn iircFeb 16 22:06
MinceRhttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/160241/Apple-Bans-Jailbreakers-From-the-App-Store?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29Feb 16 22:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Apple Story | Apple Bans Jailbreakers From the App Store .::. Size~: 156.55 KBFeb 16 22:07
schestowitzhttp://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/Maemo/Maemo+Harmattan/news.asp?c=18500Feb 16 22:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MWC 2010: Nokia blending Maemo with Moblin to create open source MeeGo | Maemo Harmattan news | Pocket Gamer .::. Size~: 47.63 KBFeb 16 22:08
schestowitzMinceR: /me bans AppleFeb 16 22:08
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schestowitzhttp://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/02/journal-open-source-networks-and-heroin.htmlFeb 16 22:08
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MinceR:>Feb 16 22:08
schestowitzBad publicityFeb 16 22:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Another uk private school applies to become a state school, good job.Feb 16 22:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera Another uk private school applies to become a state school, good job.Feb 16 22:09
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schestowitzBallnux: http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Feb2010/Samsung-Wave-Bada-Based-SmartPhone-Announced-3G.htmlFeb 16 22:11
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MinceRas usual, no keyboard (apparently)Feb 16 22:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] listening to Howard Zinn http://tankriot.com/2010/087/Feb 16 22:24
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schestowitzMinceR: [ba] Duh!Feb 16 22:34
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MinceR:>Feb 16 22:37
MinceRBad-AhFeb 16 22:37
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FurnaceBoyrnb: esta ai?Feb 16 22:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did yuo see the Popular Mechanics thing?Feb 16 22:49
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schestowitzHmmmm.. turns out Matt Damon was a close friend of ZinnFeb 16 23:02
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I haven't, where?Feb 16 23:03
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://tankriot.com/2010/087/Feb 16 23:03
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schestowitz<http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lexology.com%2Flibrary%2Fdetail.aspx%3Fg%3D8f59971d-ddde-4af6-9ce9-20ce260a1354&usg=AFQjCNF1BJogRLXSIIBaYmjP2Hm0tdFmSQ>Feb 16 23:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Redirect Notice .::. Size~: 1.48 KBFeb 16 23:19
schestowitz> Feb 16 23:19
schestowitz> Do you have the order? It's not on PACER, and I'm not a lexology member.Feb 16 23:19
schestowitzMe neither. maybe someone in GL can access it.Feb 16 23:19
schestowitzDoes anyone have subs?Feb 16 23:20
schestowitzzoobab?Feb 16 23:20
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: give it a go: Howard Zinn part abut 1 hour in < http://tankriot.com/2010/087/ >Feb 16 23:33
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz:  Feb 16 23:44
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/9176343323Feb 16 23:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: Popular Mechanics would pr ... .::. Size~: 10.03 KBFeb 16 23:44
FurnaceBoy^^ i think you will form similar conclusions Feb 16 23:44
FurnaceBoy   to mineFeb 16 23:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: also of interest http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/9189783731Feb 16 23:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: RT @mparent77772 Pro-#tort ... .::. Size~: 10.43 KBFeb 16 23:46
FurnaceBoyrnb: eu tenho uma pergunta para voce, sobre um trabalho no SPFeb 16 23:47
FurnaceBoyrnb: me liga quando pode, favorFeb 16 23:47
tessierEs interesante que similar el portugués al espanol. A veces no doy cuenta que no es espanol.Feb 16 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@schestowitz my figure was per mth; so $800bn/12 ~5.5 yrs...seems about right...#iraq upfront cost ~$1trillion by now, eventual MUCH higherFeb 16 23:52
FurnaceBoysim, sao semelhantesFeb 16 23:52
FurnaceBoypor causa disso, eu consigo ler algum espanhol tambemFeb 16 23:53
FurnaceBoymas, nao posso falar espanhol sem muito confusao risosFeb 16 23:53
tessierjejejeFeb 16 23:54
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 16 23:54
tessierNo hablo portugués pero entiendo todo. Que raro.Feb 16 23:55
FurnaceBoyentendiFeb 16 23:55

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