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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Ultra vivid scene. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/28687.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/542666.htmlFeb 17 00:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: reddragdiva | Ultra vivid scene. .::. Size~: 29.5 KBFeb 17 00:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: reddragdiva: Ultra vivid scene. .::. Size~: 20.99 KBFeb 17 00:05
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Adobe refreshed the Flash plugin for AMD64... still doesn't do H264 hw decoding, still doesn't fix Hulu, still crashes http://ur1.ca/mj4mFeb 17 00:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Adobe Labs - Downloads: Flash Player 10 for 64-bit Linux .::. Size~: 12.52 KBFeb 17 00:07
MinceRand let me guess, still doesn't use any sane way to render video either :>Feb 17 00:08
MinceRor any way to draw anything that doesn't take ages on a supercomputerFeb 17 00:08
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama finally tells #Republicans to stfu and build the Nuclear reactors already http://ur1.ca/mj52Feb 17 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Obama announces federal loan to build 2 new nuclear reactors Boing Boing .::. Size~: 68.6 KBFeb 17 00:12
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schestowitzWould you recognise this as Zinn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzRnxhjgVvEFeb 17 00:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- THE PROBLEM IS CIVIL OBEDIENCE: HOWARD ZINN 1971/2007 .::. Size~: 117.6 KBFeb 17 00:15
schestowitzHey, tessierFeb 17 00:15
tessierHiFeb 17 00:16
schestowitz:-)Feb 17 00:16
tessierDid those dbs get uploaded?Feb 17 00:16
schestowitzYesFeb 17 00:16
schestowitz~/wordpressdatabase-04022010.dumpFeb 17 00:16
schestowitz~/wordpressdatabase-11022010.dumpFeb 17 00:16
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I did see the Guardian pieceFeb 17 00:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Atlanta Progressive News fires reporter for trying to be objective http://ur1.ca/mj5s #douchebagsFeb 17 00:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Atlanta Progressive News fires reporter for trying to be objective | Fresh Loaf .::. Size~: 83.58 KBFeb 17 00:27
schestowitzhttp://www.itnews.com.au/News/167356,telstra-to-launch-an-android-phone.aspxFeb 17 00:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Telstra to launch an Android phone - Telco/ISP - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au .::. Size~: 82.09 KBFeb 17 00:32
tessierschestowitz: wp_redirection_logs appears to have become smallerFeb 17 00:34
tessierStill checking to see if anything else did...Feb 17 00:34
tessierschestowitz: Yep. That plus 5 new blog posts are the only difference I see....let me see how many lines that is and what it was in that table...Feb 17 00:36
schestowitztessier: oh, I see... ... logsFeb 17 00:46
schestowitzYes, I empties some log stuffFeb 17 00:46
schestowitz*tiedFeb 17 00:46
tessierThat explains it then. :)Feb 17 00:46
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schestowitzIt was only about 200k entries all in all..Feb 17 00:46
schestowitztessier: thanks so much for checkingFeb 17 00:47
schestowitzI'm just terrified of silent data lossFeb 17 00:47
tessier200k entries times maybe 1k per entry adds up...Feb 17 00:47
schestowitzYesFeb 17 00:47
schestowitzI was trying to think if I had changed somethingFeb 17 00:48
schestowitzSpent hours asking people and looking at file, etc.Feb 17 00:48
schestowitzI guess it's better to check excessively than to lose data... and this is the first time ever that I see the DB shrinking overnight, which triggered some worryFeb 17 00:48
schestowitzIf that's all the difference in the DB, then that's very very relieving newsFeb 17 00:49
tessierThat is all. Everything else is identical except for 5 added blog entries.Feb 17 00:55
schestowitz:-DFeb 17 00:56
schestowitzI made more news blogs posts than that, but none which are missing during those daysFeb 17 00:56
schestowitzSo it's probably just the redirection logFeb 17 00:56
schestowitzI had to empty them when the wiki had issuesFeb 17 00:56
schestowitzThe log is only for redirections from root to the wikiFeb 17 00:57
schestowitzThanks so much for looking into this!!Feb 17 00:57
tessierActually, I was just counting lines. So 5 lines were added. They may have consisted of multiple blog posts each. Parsing an sql dump is a bit tricky.Feb 17 00:57
schestowitzI know it takes time.Feb 17 00:57
tessierYou are very welcome.Feb 17 00:57
schestowitzI tried to do it myselfFeb 17 00:58
schestowitzAsking people in IRC channels and installing mysql toolsFeb 17 00:58
schestowitzWHich I found hard to pick from scratchFeb 17 00:58
tessierI did: grep -n "CREATE TABLE" wordpressdatabase-11022010.dump > /tmp/11022010.dumpFeb 17 00:58
tessierThen did that for the other file.Feb 17 00:58
tessierThen brought up two emacs buffers side by side and compared line numbers.Feb 17 00:58
tessierTo get an idea of how many lines each table was and look for changes.Feb 17 00:58
schestowitzThat's pretty sophisticatedFeb 17 00:59
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schestowitzI had in mind php/mysqladminFeb 17 00:59
schestowitzThat's what I would use on a cpanel-enabled hostFeb 17 00:59
shreddarHey guys.Feb 17 00:59
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schestowitzload the dbs, then look at the schemes and data it accomodatesFeb 17 00:59
schestowitz*schemasFeb 17 00:59
shreddarHey I'm reading "Where does mozilla go when the monopoly switch is dead" it's pretty interesting.Feb 17 01:04
tessiermonopoly switch?Feb 17 01:04
FurnaceBoygoogle?Feb 17 01:05
FurnaceBoythat one?Feb 17 01:05
schestowitz http://thinkmoult.com/2010/02/15/big-brother-google-hello-goodbye/Feb 17 01:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: thinkMoult - Big Brother Google, hello goodbye. «  .::. Size~: 24.3 KBFeb 17 01:05
schestowitzI love the imageFeb 17 01:05
shreddarOne of their michelle backer seems to have a interest in dirupting the web browser market.Feb 17 01:06
schestowitzIt's new,tooFeb 17 01:06
shreddardirrupting = disruptingFeb 17 01:06
schestowitzshreddar: Disrupt it with ogg?Feb 17 01:06
shreddarI'm still reading it.Feb 17 01:06
shreddarI hope she's more abishious than that though.Feb 17 01:07
schestowitzI love what Mozilla did. I can already use <Video> with oggs knowing that half of BN's visitors would view it without troubleFeb 17 01:07
shreddar"And although it seems reasonable to speculate that there may come a time when someone other than Microsoft might become the biggest threat to openness, she's not pointing any fingers."Feb 17 01:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reasons to Embrace #GNU #Linux at OS X's and Windows' Expense http://ur1.ca/mj8i http://ur1.ca/mj8jFeb 17 01:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Pros and Cons of the Major Operating Systems | Prescott Linux .::. Size~: 49.05 KBFeb 17 01:09
shreddarhmmmmmmm. I wonder who she could be talking about?Feb 17 01:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux is Breaking Into the Market in 2009 http://ur1.ca/mj8o http://ur1.ca/mj8pFeb 17 01:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Growth in Hard Times at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 23.63 KBFeb 17 01:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Vacuum at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 26.25 KBFeb 17 01:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Articles Relating #GNU #Linux to Valentine's Day http://ur1.ca/mj8q http://ur1.ca/mj8rFeb 17 01:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Free Software Foundation Europe says I ♥ Free Software  .::. Size~: 31.3 KBFeb 17 01:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux News: Community: The Dating Game, Linux-Style .::. Size~: 53.73 KBFeb 17 01:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KernelFoundation (LF) Gets Involved with #MeeGo http://ur1.ca/mecf http://ur1.ca/midm http://ur1.ca/mj8wFeb 17 01:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MeeGo: Maemo and Moblin merged by Linux Foundation - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.84 KBFeb 17 01:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Intel, Nokia aim to unify mobile Linux ecosystem with MeeGo .::. Size~: 38.58 KBFeb 17 01:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Radeon Improvements Come to #Linux #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4NA #kernelFeb 17 01:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Radeon KMS Gets Faster X-Video Support .::. Size~: 14.91 KBFeb 17 01:14
Ender2070_nouveau has 3d support nowFeb 17 01:14
Ender2070_gallium3dFeb 17 01:14
Ender2070_oh yeah, if Matt Asay is from Alfresco isn't it possible it might pull Canonical closer to Redhat and away from Novell?Feb 17 01:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Themes Debate Over #Ubuntu or #GNOME Heating Up http://ur1.ca/mj93 http://ur1.ca/mj94 http://ur1.ca/mj95Feb 17 01:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Homosapien Metacity Online Customizer | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 28.75 KBFeb 17 01:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Animated wallpaper pack for Ubuntu .::. Size~: 51.13 KBFeb 17 01:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PlayOnLinux 3.7.3 is Released for #GNU #Linux Gamers http://ur1.ca/mj98 #wineFeb 17 01:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of K Desktop Environment ( #KDE SC) 4.4 http://ur1.ca/mgmz #plasmaFeb 17 01:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hands-on: semantic desktop starts to show in KDE SC 4.4 .::. Size~: 37.85 KBFeb 17 01:19
Ender2070_mandriva 2010 = funnyFeb 17 01:19
shreddarLately I've been thinking Mozilla relies too much on money from companies in order to operate.Feb 17 01:19
Ender2070_i installed their kde 4.4 repo in 2010 and my menu still claimed it was "4.3"Feb 17 01:19
Ender2070_due to the theme not being updatedFeb 17 01:19
Ender2070_Mozilla is apty named after a giant monsterFeb 17 01:20
Ender2070_I compiled firefox years ago on my gentoo box and it took a few hours, single core 32-bit machineFeb 17 01:20
Ender2070_nowFeb 17 01:21
Ender2070_4 cores @ 3.0ghz, 4gb ram, even with multi threaded compiling takes an hour or twoFeb 17 01:21
shreddarI guess Mozilla is in spirit Netscape on more than a few levels.Feb 17 01:23
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 01:24
Ender2070_a lot of other browsers don't take that longFeb 17 01:24
schestowitzEnder2070_: he's not entirely fond of Novell's directionFeb 17 01:25
schestowitzHe doesn't like their MS dealFeb 17 01:25
schestowitzI mailed him a lot about it over the yarsFeb 17 01:25
Ender2070_Redhat and Alfresco ran a store togetherFeb 17 01:25
schestowitzPerhapsFeb 17 01:25
schestowitzThey mostly deplyed on RHELFeb 17 01:25
schestowitzHE mocked SLESFeb 17 01:25
schestowitzSaying it was not benefiting from the dealFeb 17 01:26
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 01:26
schestowitzHe showed graphs of choice of Alfresco clients around 2007Feb 17 01:26
Ender2070_im crossing my fingers hoping he undoes the novell damage to ubuntuFeb 17 01:26
schestowitzYou can look it up, maybe in InfoWorld when he wrote thereFeb 17 01:26
schestowitzHe also blasted de IcazaFeb 17 01:26
schestowitzThen de Icaza mailed himFeb 17 01:26
Ender2070_very niceFeb 17 01:26
schestowitzAnd he sort of issued an apologyFeb 17 01:26
Ender2070_I like him alreadyFeb 17 01:26
schestowitzHe criticised the whole mono thingFeb 17 01:27
schestowitzSaying something like, "I recall Miguel in Ximian telling us about GNOME... and now he's doing MS stuff"Feb 17 01:27
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 01:27
schestowitzI've read him since 2006Feb 17 01:27
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 01:27
schestowitzSo I know almost every post from AsayFeb 17 01:28
Ender2070_now icaza's an MS MVPFeb 17 01:28
schestowitzI was promoting his idas back in the daysFeb 17 01:28
schestowitzBefore he was rabid Apple fanFeb 17 01:28
Ender2070_ahhhFeb 17 01:28
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 01:28
schestowitzHe has always been a talented thinker/writerFeb 17 01:28
schestowitzI'll give him thatFeb 17 01:28
schestowitzBut he doesn't know jack about s/wFeb 17 01:28
schestowitzHe's a lawyer skilled with commu'Feb 17 01:28
Ender2070_I can't fault him on apple, at least they aren't msFeb 17 01:29
schestowitzWhen he pretends to understand technicalstuff like OOP he's bluffingFeb 17 01:29
schestowitzLike me pretending to understand lawFeb 17 01:29
schestowitzI mailed PJ some stuff earlierFeb 17 01:29
Ender2070_if I had a gun pointed to my head and I had to install a proprietary os from apple or ms, i'd pick appleFeb 17 01:29
schestowitzWe need someone with subsc' to a siteFeb 17 01:29
schestowitzPACER doesn't have it yetFeb 17 01:30
schestowitzEnder2070_: you can't install it, thoughFeb 17 01:30
AondoEnder2070_  some would die with honor tho :DFeb 17 01:30
schestowitzYou need to buy Jobs-blessed PCFeb 17 01:30
schestowitzAnd pay twice its real worthFeb 17 01:30
Ender2070_my hypothetical example didnt require purchasing anythingFeb 17 01:30
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Ender2070_including osFeb 17 01:31
Ender2070_<Aondo> Ender2070_  some would die with honor tho :DFeb 17 01:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ArchLinux Kicks Arse, Another List of Top Operating Systems http://ur1.ca/mj9z http://ur1.ca/mja0Feb 17 01:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Arch Linux smokes all others. My Arch Review. .::. Size~: 23.61 KBFeb 17 01:32
Ender2070_lol, not if I picked gnu/darwinFeb 17 01:32
shreddarWhat if there was chance that Apples wouldn't install?Feb 17 01:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 5 operating systems that can set you free - IT articles, Hardware & Software, Computer vendors in India, IT industry in India : Latest IT News .::. Size~: 118.46 KBFeb 17 01:32
schestowitzToday we got some new translations...Feb 17 01:32
schestowitzE.g. http://boycottnovell.com/faq/faq-fr/Feb 17 01:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Foire aux Questions (French) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.8 KBFeb 17 01:32
schestowitzI'm getting mail from people who add language supportFeb 17 01:32
schestowitzit helps our credibility as intl' information resortFeb 17 01:33
shreddarHey have you guy heard all the talk about Windows *Phone* 7?Feb 17 01:34
shreddarEvery article I read is saying it's a successful rebranding and a significant turning point for MS.Feb 17 01:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Glimpse at 'Floppy' Distro and Restricted Distro http://ur1.ca/mja5 http://ur1.ca/mja6Feb 17 01:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: So is ChromeOS a desktop winner? I think not.  .::. Size~: 39.92 KBFeb 17 01:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Prepares Awards, #Fedora Has Many Re-Spins http://ur1.ca/mja7 http://ur1.ca/mja8Feb 17 01:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Hat Announces Fourth Annual Innovation Awards - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 69.51 KBFeb 17 01:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Available Now: Fedora 12 Re-Spins | dr2web - more than web! .::. Size~: 109.36 KBFeb 17 01:36
shreddarAlso, I think they are saying it's an attractive option.Feb 17 01:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Adds #DNSSEC , #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Has Hidden Features http://lwn.net/Articles/374473/ http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7704/1.htmlFeb 17 01:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: got an email from computer history museum, which included this ridiculous sentence: "Grace Hopper is arguably as important a figure to computing as Bill Gates, Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs, ..." -- revealing the attitudes of the museum and who gets their name in lights in the ValleyFeb 17 01:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Debian to start deploying DNSSEC [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 11.88 KBFeb 17 01:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Five Ubuntu Features You Didnt Know About |   Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 42.79 KBFeb 17 01:37
cubezzzhmmmFeb 17 01:37
cubezzzfirst compiler?Feb 17 01:37
FurnaceBoycubezzz: of course, the last 3 are irrelevant to computingFeb 17 01:37
FurnaceBoy*technology*Feb 17 01:37
cubezzzah :)Feb 17 01:37
FurnaceBoycomputing business, sureFeb 17 01:37
FurnaceBoyi would say the museum is buttering up potential sponsors/donorsFeb 17 01:38
cubezzzBill Gates was more like the Borg, it fitsFeb 17 01:38
cubezzzyesFeb 17 01:38
FurnaceBoycertainly has has only taken away from the industryFeb 17 01:38
cubezzzquite likelyFeb 17 01:38
FurnaceBoyand is technologically irrelevantFeb 17 01:38
cubezzzyes, hence the icon on slashdot, people knowFeb 17 01:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -powered #Pogoplug in Review http://www.daniweb.com/reviews/review260663.htmlFeb 17 01:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DaniWeb Review: Pogoplug - Your Own Personal Pink Linux Data Cloud - Storage Product Review .::. Size~: 50.65 KBFeb 17 01:39
FurnaceBoywell, that borg thing is a jokeFeb 17 01:39
cubezzzis it? :)Feb 17 01:39
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 17 01:39
FurnaceBoythe antitrust and other adverse rulings are no joke.Feb 17 01:39
FurnaceBoyi'd prefer if people remembered the distinctionFeb 17 01:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux All Over the Place in #MWC2010 (Android) http://ur1.ca/mjan http://ur1.ca/mjao http://ur1.ca/mjapFeb 17 01:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MWC 2010: Android everywhere - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.27 KBFeb 17 01:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ST-Ericsson and ARM Enable Support for Android on Next-Generation Multicore Mobile Platforms - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 74.13 KBFeb 17 01:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Huawei SmaKit S7 | Android Phone Fans .::. Size~: 35.6 KBFeb 17 01:40
cubezzzyes well that is the fault of the DOJFeb 17 01:40
FurnaceBoythere's not much place for humour in microsoft's *actual* effectasFeb 17 01:40
FurnaceBoyeffects*Feb 17 01:40
FurnaceBoyand activitiesFeb 17 01:40
cubezzzthey have to take the blame, they didn't function as a proper watch-dogFeb 17 01:40
FurnaceBoyGates hacked the law.Feb 17 01:40
FurnaceBoyhe's biggerFeb 17 01:40
FurnaceBoythey can't touch himFeb 17 01:40
cubezzzhmmmFeb 17 01:40
cubezzzthey broke up Standard Oil and AT&TFeb 17 01:41
FurnaceBoydifferent eraFeb 17 01:41
cubezzzwhat is the diffierence now?Feb 17 01:41
FurnaceBoyGates found the exploit.Feb 17 01:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BugLabs Embracing #Google 's Implementation of #Linux http://ur1.ca/mjas http://ur1.ca/mjat http://ur1.ca/mjauFeb 17 01:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google’s Android to Run Bug Labs Devices, Expand Beyond Phones - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 47.21 KBFeb 17 01:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bug Labs Unveils The BUG 2.0 Platform, Support For Android Development - PSFK .::. Size~: 56.18 KBFeb 17 01:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Versatile Bug Labs Embraces Android | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.48 KBFeb 17 01:42
cubezzzRockefeller had more money than Gates, relative to his timeFeb 17 01:42
FurnaceBoysure, maybe he was above the law as well.Feb 17 01:42
FurnaceBoyi believe this was Gates' dream.Feb 17 01:42
FurnaceBoyto be unbeatableFeb 17 01:42
shreddarAT&T who recentally pulled a T2 ressuresstion on us.Feb 17 01:42
FurnaceBoypsychologically it fits Feb 17 01:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #Android is Reaching Larger Devices Like Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/mjb2 http://ur1.ca/mjb3Feb 17 01:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Dell's mini 5 will run on unreleased android - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 63.09 KBFeb 17 01:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Compaqs Android-based Airlife 100 Announced | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 29.09 KBFeb 17 01:43
cubezzzresurrectionFeb 17 01:43
cubezzzyesFeb 17 01:43
cubezzzthe baby bells are under going re-amalgamationFeb 17 01:44
cubezzzbusiness tends to always move towards monopolyFeb 17 01:44
cubezzzbut there seems to be more competition nowFeb 17 01:45
schestowitzshreddar: I see a lot of bad coverage about the phoneFeb 17 01:45
schestowitzZune++Feb 17 01:45
cubezzzit's probably crap :)Feb 17 01:46
cubezzzlet's face it, most microsoft products are crapFeb 17 01:46
cubezzzjust not good enough nowFeb 17 01:46
schestowitzcubezzz: I'm writing about it tomorrowFeb 17 01:46
schestowitzIt flopped alreadyFeb 17 01:46
schestowitzThe expo was all LinuxFeb 17 01:47
schestowitzMicrosoft dropped a bombFeb 17 01:47
schestowitzLiterally, almost]Feb 17 01:47
cubezzzwhat do kids like? Kids like blackberry and iphoneFeb 17 01:47
schestowitzIt bombedFeb 17 01:47
schestowitzMaybeFeb 17 01:47
shreddarThat's true. Pluse I never heard any facts about it merrits.Feb 17 01:47
cubezzzeh? What expo?Feb 17 01:47
schestowitzEither way, the whole 'business customer' pitch of Microsoft is dyingFeb 17 01:47
schestowitzPeople edit stuff onlineFeb 17 01:47
schestowitzPhone are too weak for feature-heavy office suites anywayFeb 17 01:47
shreddarIt was all like it's sooo diffrent now.Feb 17 01:48
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you should listen to that show I showed youFeb 17 01:48
cubezzzthey _force_ people to use Microsoft products, if they have a choice, they usually don't choose Microsoft :)Feb 17 01:48
schestowitzI sent them E-mail and scusbribesFeb 17 01:48
schestowitzThey also made fun of Glenn BekkkFeb 17 01:48
cubezzz"WOuld you like a free OS or pay $50 more?" "Hrmmm, I'll go with free I think"Feb 17 01:49
cubezzzsimpleFeb 17 01:49
cubezzzpeople do like to save money, especially nowFeb 17 01:49
shreddarBTW Engadget was on of the site I read about it on.Feb 17 01:50
cubezzzok, my new router had the word Linux on the box :)Feb 17 01:51
cubezzzjust thought I'd mention thatFeb 17 01:51
schestowitzWindows Mobile is not about royaltiesFeb 17 01:52
schestowitzMicrosoft wants to use it to make monocultureFeb 17 01:52
schestowitzStart menu, MS protocols, patents, etc.Feb 17 01:52
schestowitzIt has been a losing business for many years to MSFT shareholdersFeb 17 01:52
cubezzzmonoculture is deadFeb 17 01:53
cubezzzif you can import, if you can buy online, you can avoid monocultureFeb 17 01:53
shreddarYeah that's because in oder for monoculture to work MS would have be good at making competitive software.Feb 17 01:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of Intel-based #Linux Sub-notebooks; Where #ARM Beats Intel http://ur1.ca/mjc0 http://ur1.ca/mjc1Feb 17 01:53
cubezzzit's getting easier (i.e. the situation is improving)Feb 17 01:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Raiden's Realm: Review: Moblin 2.1 .::. Size~: 31.97 KBFeb 17 01:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   ARM SMP at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 24.93 KBFeb 17 01:54
cubezzzwell dlink is using Linux, Sony, Sharp...Feb 17 01:54
cubezzzI'm sure there's tons of othersFeb 17 01:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Tablet Called #ADAM Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/mjc5 http://ur1.ca/mjc6Feb 17 01:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: EXCLUSIVE: Notion Ink ADAM (Specs, Pics) «  Technoholik .::. Size~: 76.93 KBFeb 17 01:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Notion Ink Adam tablet debuts .::. Size~: 144 KBFeb 17 01:55
shreddarIf they were capable of making software for phone that cell companies and end users wanted more than competitors they could have monoculture.Feb 17 01:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Gets Boost from #Telstra http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/36880-big-corporates-add-muscle-to-one-laptop-per-childFeb 17 01:56
Ender2070_dlink used to hate linuxFeb 17 01:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Saves Public Money, Popular in #India http://ur1.ca/mjcg http://ur1.ca/mjciFeb 17 01:58
shreddarIf they only thought of the iPhone first they'd be set.Feb 17 01:59
shreddarOf course it couldn't be compatible with their Desktop OS.Feb 17 02:00
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indian Kids Most Active Downloader of Open Source Technology [Youth Survey] .::. Size~: 53.52 KBFeb 17 02:01
phIRCe-BNcOf course it couldn't be compatible with their Desktop OS.Feb 17 02:01
shreddarThey have to have made brand new APIs.Feb 17 02:01
shreddarUsing Open Source software.Feb 17 02:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schuyler: http://twitpic.com/13on7p - The sun never sets on the United NationsFeb 17 02:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The sun never sets on the United Nations on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.52 KBFeb 17 02:01
shreddarOr putting a larg percent of their money into R&D.Feb 17 02:02
shreddarLike atleast 20%Feb 17 02:02
shreddarKeep in mind I'm talking all of their spendable money.Feb 17 02:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Helps #VoIP http://www.telappliant.com/voip-news/19614799/open-source-will-spur-voip-development/Feb 17 02:03
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FurnaceBoyyes MONO-* is all Microsoft is interested in. MONOpoly. MONOculture.Feb 17 02:05
FurnaceBoylock-in is their only ideaFeb 17 02:05
shreddarAlso, they'd probably have to out source development.Feb 17 02:05
FurnaceBoyif they can't have that, well, they'll stack the deck, and buy reps, buy panels, and buy authorities till they get it back.Feb 17 02:05
FurnaceBoythis is called "innovation," apparently.Feb 17 02:05
FurnaceBoy"healthy competition"Feb 17 02:06
schestowitzFriedmaN!!Feb 17 02:06
shreddarNo buy "healthy competition" thet mean horning in on another companies monopoly.Feb 17 02:06
schestowitzHeheFeb 17 02:06
FurnaceBoyit's astonishing that people wilfully refuse to admit the obvious immediate effects of monopoly: prices go up; quality goes down.Feb 17 02:06
FurnaceBoythey get a free passFeb 17 02:07
cubezzzyesFeb 17 02:07
cubezzzit's badFeb 17 02:07
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FurnaceBoyit's bad. but it will improve over time...Feb 17 02:07
cubezzzno competitionFeb 17 02:07
FurnaceBoyi feel we are something close to the worst of it, now.Feb 17 02:07
cubezzzthe worst to me still is the OEMsFeb 17 02:07
FurnaceBoyyes!!!!Feb 17 02:07
FurnaceBoyi totally agree.Feb 17 02:07
FurnaceBoythat's the power-plantFeb 17 02:07
FurnaceBoyand completely wrongFeb 17 02:08
FurnaceBoythat arrangement has to be taken out .. like those torpedos into the Death StarFeb 17 02:08
FurnaceBoyTHEN we'll see some actionFeb 17 02:08
shreddarCreative Destruction seems to actually be happing now.Feb 17 02:08
shreddarBut at what cost?Feb 17 02:08
shreddarWe had 20 years of a invation strangling monopoly.Feb 17 02:09
shreddarinvation = inovationFeb 17 02:09
shreddarinovation = innovationFeb 17 02:09
cubezzzwe even have a CPU duopoly of a sortFeb 17 02:09
shreddarSpellcheck ain't working.Feb 17 02:10
cubezzzuse ispell :)Feb 17 02:10
FurnaceBoyshreddar: more than 20 years.Feb 17 02:10
FurnaceBoyshreddar: ~30Feb 17 02:10
FurnaceBoyshreddar: and the agenda existed in Gates even before he started MS.Feb 17 02:10
FurnaceBoythis was his game all along.Feb 17 02:10
cubezzzyesFeb 17 02:11
shreddarReally? Because it send like dumb luck to me.Feb 17 02:11
FurnaceBoythe company is his DNA.Feb 17 02:11
FurnaceBoyshreddar: hell noFeb 17 02:11
FurnaceBoyshreddar: luck helpedFeb 17 02:11
FurnaceBoyshreddar: but the company is an expression of his psychologyFeb 17 02:11
shreddarCome IBM asking MS for CP/M?Feb 17 02:11
FurnaceBoyshreddar: ppl seem to underestimate thisFeb 17 02:11
FurnaceBoyshreddar: opportunismFeb 17 02:12
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cubezzzKildall kind of messed things upFeb 17 02:12
FurnaceBoyshreddar: some luck, combined with a razor sharp flair for extortion, threats, and so onFeb 17 02:12
FurnaceBoyshreddar: he'd have tried the same thing whatever industryFeb 17 02:12
FurnaceBoyshreddar: all the tactics are Gates' Feb 17 02:13
cubezzzhis lawyer Dad must have helped tooFeb 17 02:13
FurnaceBoycubezzz: still isFeb 17 02:13
cubezzzthe banking connectionsFeb 17 02:13
cubezzzIBM blew itFeb 17 02:13
cubezzzbig timeFeb 17 02:13
FurnaceBoycubezzz: as schestowitz is fond of reminding us, Gates Sr has been mopping up the rear foreverFeb 17 02:13
FurnaceBoyshreddar: sure, he was in the right place at the right time, with the right connections, but the methods and result are hisFeb 17 02:14
FurnaceBoyshreddar: he pushed pushed pushed all the time to eliminate competitionFeb 17 02:14
FurnaceBoyshreddar: that's his signatureFeb 17 02:14
FurnaceBoyshreddar: can't deal with it; doesn't want itFeb 17 02:14
FurnaceBoyshreddar: megalomaniaFeb 17 02:15
FurnaceBoymegalomania - [noun] ("meh gE lo 'me ni E)  1. a mental disorder characterized by delusions of power, wealth, or            │Feb 17 02:15
FurnaceBoy                          importance.  2. a self-interested tendency to do grand things.Feb 17 02:15
cubezzzThe first programming language and first compiler specifically for microprocessors? KildallFeb 17 02:15
*FurnaceBoy started out on MP/M, more or lessFeb 17 02:15
cubezzzThe first microprocessor disk operating system? Kildall again!Feb 17 02:15
cubezzzwho became an alcoholic? KildallFeb 17 02:16
cubezzzsadFeb 17 02:16
FurnaceBoyshreddar: he's a sociopath, pure and simple.Feb 17 02:17
cubezzzyes Gates is a narcissistFeb 17 02:17
FurnaceBoywhether people are ready to accept that or not, it's what he is.Feb 17 02:18
cubezzzsociopath, sureFeb 17 02:18
shreddarYeah but I doubt he planed on IFeb 17 02:18
FurnaceBoyshreddar: sure he didFeb 17 02:18
FurnaceBoyshreddar: he's an opportunist, he seized the luck he had, and created a criminal empire.Feb 17 02:18
shreddarI dbout he planned IBM and DRI dropping the ball several hundred times. Not to mention Apple.Feb 17 02:18
FurnaceBoyshreddar: take away the luck, or take away the criminal mind, and you don't have the mess we are in.Feb 17 02:18
FurnaceBoyshreddar: takes both elementsFeb 17 02:18
cubezzzaside from WIndows, Linux and Mac, what would be the next biggest OS?Feb 17 02:19
FurnaceBoyshreddar: of course there are criminals like him who aren't so lucky :)Feb 17 02:19
FurnaceBoyshreddar: he just had both. means, opportunity, and motiveFeb 17 02:19
cubezzzand luckFeb 17 02:19
FurnaceBoyyes. = opportunityFeb 17 02:19
cubezzzDRI was attacked by Microsoft thoughFeb 17 02:20
cubezzzthat didn't helpFeb 17 02:20
FurnaceBoyof course. their strategies have been there since day 1. that's my point.Feb 17 02:20
FurnaceBoythey haven't deviated from monomaniacal focus on eliminating competitionFeb 17 02:20
FurnaceBoynot competing. simply not having the inconvenience of competing.Feb 17 02:21
FurnaceBoythey still don't know how to follow standards; they are used to being a de facto standard.Feb 17 02:21
FurnaceBoyIE.Feb 17 02:21
FurnaceBoya few smart open source guys can hit 100% compliance.Feb 17 02:21
FurnaceBoyMS? no way. not with 40K engineers.Feb 17 02:21
schestowitz“I think he [Bill Gates] has a Napoleonic concept of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power and unalloyed success, with no leavening hard experience, no reverses [...] They don’t act like grown-ups!” -Judge Thomas Penfield JacksonFeb 17 02:21
FurnaceBoypreciselyFeb 17 02:22
FurnaceBoyhe's bigger than NapoleonFeb 17 02:22
shreddarWell to be fair neither can Mozilla so far.Feb 17 02:22
FurnaceBoyi won't live to see him exiled as he deservesFeb 17 02:22
cubezzzJackson was reversed :-/Feb 17 02:22
FurnaceBoyshreddar: not even comparableFeb 17 02:22
schestowitzDubyaFeb 17 02:22
cubezzzbut he can't beat LinuxFeb 17 02:22
schestowitzMicrosoft paid his ilkFeb 17 02:22
shreddarI think MS just doesn't wan't obey standards.Feb 17 02:22
cubezzzcan't drive Linux out of businessFeb 17 02:22
schestowitzBribery and corruption as usualFeb 17 02:22
FurnaceBoyshreddar: MS doesn't even have the *aspiration* of compliance; it contradicts their model.Feb 17 02:22
FurnaceBoyshreddar: rightFeb 17 02:23
schestowitzdat's how thangs go down in WA.. :-)Feb 17 02:23
shreddarThey are dragging their feet as long as they can.Feb 17 02:23
FurnaceBoyshreddar: there's no will, because it weakens lock-in to follow standards.Feb 17 02:23
FurnaceBoyshreddar: yesFeb 17 02:23
FurnaceBoyyou only need to follow standards if you are a minority player.Feb 17 02:24
FurnaceBoycuz if you don't -- you die.Feb 17 02:24
FurnaceBoythat's the funny thing. if they slowly lose market share, they'll hit a tipping point where the water is cold enough Feb 17 02:25
FurnaceBoyTHEN we see action.Feb 17 02:25
FurnaceBoyTHEN we see a race.Feb 17 02:25
FurnaceBoyTHEN they either sink or compete.Feb 17 02:25
FurnaceBoyit will be a noveltyFeb 17 02:25
FurnaceBoyI don't believe they will survive that tipping point, because their DNA is Gates'Feb 17 02:25
cubezzzeven programming for doze sucks thoughFeb 17 02:25
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FurnaceBoyand Gates never competed in his life.Feb 17 02:26
shreddarIf Mozilla passed they probably would have to pass. I think that's what happend with Acid2 and maybe Acid1.Feb 17 02:26
FurnaceBoywell, they have both the aspiration and ability to pass.Feb 17 02:26
FurnaceBoyMS has neither, apparently.Feb 17 02:26
cubezzzold but...Feb 17 02:27
cubezzzhttp://bmighty.informationweek.com/hardware_software/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204803419Feb 17 02:27
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FurnaceBoyMozilla intends to grow share. it's their #1 thing.Feb 17 02:27
FurnaceBoytherefore standards are not an optional feature :)Feb 17 02:27
FurnaceBoyit's also the ideal differentiator from IE.Feb 17 02:27
FurnaceBoythe developer backlash against IE Is growing, as it costs billions to support Feb 17 02:27
FurnaceBoywhen that memo hits home, in these recession times, it is going to bite MSFeb 17 02:28
FurnaceBoywho are not prepared Feb 17 02:28
shreddarLets not put all of this on MS. Our market is set up for monopolies and inforced by our government through trademarks, copyrights, patent, trade secrets etc.Feb 17 02:28
FurnaceBoysure.Feb 17 02:29
FurnaceBoydoesn't mean they are not a toxic monopoly.Feb 17 02:29
FurnaceBoythey have to go. and the rest, too, sure.Feb 17 02:29
FurnaceBoythey're not off topic here.Feb 17 02:29
FurnaceBoywe could discuss MonsantoFeb 17 02:29
FurnaceBoywhat a disgusting creationFeb 17 02:29
cubezzzFirefox is on everything... Solaris, BSD, Mac OS XFeb 17 02:30
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cubezzzthey should do very wellFeb 17 02:30
FurnaceBoycubezzz: again, portability is contradictory to MS model. so they don't do it.Feb 17 02:30
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yesFeb 17 02:30
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FurnaceBoyyayFeb 17 02:44
FurnaceBoyrnb: esta ai ... pingFeb 17 02:44
DaemonFCThis Firefox personas thing is crapFeb 17 02:46
DaemonFCnone of them scale to look like the preview image Feb 17 02:46
shreddarI think personas are basically skins.Feb 17 02:46
DaemonFCthey look like stretched JPEG, not SVG or somethingFeb 17 02:47
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FurnaceBoyshreddar: I guess to sum it up, I reject the notion that MS is a 'largely accidental' monopoly. it was what he wanted all alongFeb 17 02:48
FurnaceBoyshreddar: this comes out very clearly reading his actual testimonyFeb 17 02:48
shreddarOh yeah it no accident on MS's part.Feb 17 02:49
FurnaceBoyshreddar: it's very illuminating, more ppl should read the primary sources i thinkFeb 17 02:49
shreddarIt's just that they didn't plan the whole thing. Alot of it was luck.Feb 17 02:49
FurnaceBoyeh, well.Feb 17 02:49
FurnaceBoyyes, he did plan to eliminate competitionFeb 17 02:49
FurnaceBoymeans, opportunity, and motive -- is all thereFeb 17 02:49
FurnaceBoyremember he's had about 40 years to do it.Feb 17 02:50
FurnaceBoyhe's even getting old. outracing accountability.Feb 17 02:50
FurnaceBoylike I say, you can learn a lot about the man from what he has said in courtFeb 17 02:51
FurnaceBoyor in memosFeb 17 02:51
FurnaceBoyi.e., his actual words. that's what I prefer to base my assessments on.Feb 17 02:51
FurnaceBoythe more of that becomes public, the better we see his characterFeb 17 02:53
FurnaceBoyhence the desperation to try and keep everything as covered up as possibleFeb 17 02:53
FurnaceBoyscrutiny is very threatening to these peopleFeb 17 02:53
FurnaceBoy-> the incessant attacks on Groklaw, which is essentially an archiveFeb 17 02:54
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cubezzzare they still doing that as much though?Feb 17 02:55
cubezzzIt seems they are .... mellowing?Feb 17 02:55
FurnaceBoythey would like to see it goneFeb 17 02:55
FurnaceBoysome things never change. why do people think the game has changed?Feb 17 02:55
cubezzzis Microsoft mellowing? :)Feb 17 02:55
FurnaceBoyno.Feb 17 02:55
FurnaceBoyit's not even possibleFeb 17 02:55
FurnaceBoythough, they profit from that misdirected perception, as far as it takes holdFeb 17 02:56
cubezzzI don't trust them any more than I did before, that's for sureFeb 17 02:57
schestowitzsee OOXML corruptionFeb 17 02:57
schestowitzMellow schmellowFeb 17 02:57
cubezzza lot of the old hawks have left thoughFeb 17 02:58
FurnaceBoycubezzz: DNA is the sameFeb 17 02:58
FurnaceBoycubezzz: as we have seen their entire history, they exploit any rope they getFeb 17 02:58
schestowitzOOXML only expanded their catalog of inertnational crimeFeb 17 02:58
schestowitzFor that I am thankfulFeb 17 02:58
schestowitzThey left themselves vulnerable this wayFeb 17 02:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yeah it exposed some bad behaviour. we can hope the empire over-stretches itself...Feb 17 02:59
Ender2070_people are so apathetic they don't even careFeb 17 02:59
schestowitzDNA, FurnaceBoy?Feb 17 02:59
schestowitzThey control that tooFeb 17 02:59
Ender2070_if ms releases one thing they like, they ignore the restFeb 17 02:59
schestowitzThey move to OD cards nowFeb 17 02:59
schestowitzThey hijacked IndiaFeb 17 02:59
FurnaceBoyEnder2070_: well yes they care more when the money dries upFeb 17 02:59
FurnaceBoyEnder2070_: MS == WasteFeb 17 02:59
Ender2070_I got my friends voltage meter :)Feb 17 02:59
schestowitzIDs in India to be managd by Gates and his cronies at NASSCOMFeb 17 02:59
Ender2070_im going to compare how green windows is compared to linux distrosFeb 17 02:59
cubezzzI'ts not green at allFeb 17 03:00
cubezzzis it?Feb 17 03:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: DNA ... the fundamental organism, its idFeb 17 03:00
cubezzzit costs $$$, it uses more CPU...Feb 17 03:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: to mix metaphors...Feb 17 03:00
Ender2070_i'll also include how much extra money I have to pay on my power bill due to msFeb 17 03:00
FurnaceBoyit's wasteful and there's no motive to improve itFeb 17 03:00
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FurnaceBoythey profit from hardware turnoverFeb 17 03:01
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FurnaceBoywhich is why "Windows rot" will never be fixed eitherFeb 17 03:01
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cubezzzWindows doesn't just rot, it _is_ rot :)Feb 17 03:01
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FurnaceBoyit's like standards compliance -- linux has the means and aspiration, ms does not....Feb 17 03:02
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FurnaceBoycubezzz: :)Feb 17 03:02
shreddarI didn't know there was a term for that.Feb 17 03:03
cubezzzI expect my zaurus install to last for decades, but we'll seeFeb 17 03:03
cubezzzso far 9 years :)Feb 17 03:03
cubezzzwindows installs that have lasted 9 years = zeroFeb 17 03:04
cubezzzas a programmer, I like the GNU/Linux environment much more than dozeFeb 17 03:05
cubezzzthere's so many reasons not to use Windows I'm a bit surprised it's still so dominantFeb 17 03:05
cubezzzthis proves people can be easily ledFeb 17 03:06
shreddarWell you have to see that Windows is more than a OS it's also legacy support.Feb 17 03:08
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DaemonFCJust as well NASA is being killed off by ObamaFeb 17 03:10
shreddarWindows is the PC/Desktop are far as it's job is concerned.Feb 17 03:11
DaemonFCI'd hate for them to have to explain that the astronauts were on their way to Mars when the Windows system controlling life support and temperature controls blue screenedFeb 17 03:11
DaemonFCand we get to debate on whether they froze or suffocated firstFeb 17 03:11
DaemonFChmmm, bizarre, they're talking about a church in a salt mine in Poland that was made out of saltFeb 17 03:13
DaemonFCThey must have looked back on the city states that had the gayFeb 17 03:13
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 03:13
shreddarThe job of the Desktop/PC is to provide businesses with services that would be expensive otherwise. Document/Movie/Music/Photo Editing would be expensive without it.Feb 17 03:14
shreddarRight now it does those things best with Windows because of industry standards.Feb 17 03:15
DaemonFCMeh, Windows was one of the reasons I was going to mention as to why the PC isn't up to standards for businessFeb 17 03:16
DaemonFCthe bad hardware quality is the other oneFeb 17 03:16
shreddarI wasn't so long ago I remember printers would only except MS Word files.Feb 17 03:17
DaemonFCI just can't believe Dell ever managed to sell "business" systemsFeb 17 03:17
DaemonFCDo those fail as much as their consumer PCs?Feb 17 03:17
shreddarMost graphic design companies want empolyees trained on Photoshop.Feb 17 03:19
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shreddarMost most Music Engineers probably need to know Cubase.Feb 17 03:20
shreddarAnd for the most part all of those things need Windows because Windows is a all around business standard.Feb 17 03:21
shreddarAs far as average joes are concerned computers are either for the internet or just not for them.Feb 17 03:22
shreddarRight now the PC is the best at the internet. Because it started out that mostly businesses and colledges used it.Feb 17 03:23
shreddarThat's changing now that devices are getting more powerful.Feb 17 03:24
DaemonFCshreddar, yeah, but Linux is getting more use in these areasFeb 17 03:24
DaemonFC10 years ago, photo, video, and audio editing on Linux was a jokeFeb 17 03:24
DaemonFCnow they make movies like Avatar on it Feb 17 03:24
shreddarI didn't know that.Feb 17 03:25
shreddarAvatar really?Feb 17 03:25
DaemonFCgranted that is a proprietary and expensive software stack running on LinuxFeb 17 03:25
DaemonFCyou'll never get a copy of itFeb 17 03:25
DaemonFCbut yes, reallyFeb 17 03:25
FurnaceBoyshreddar | Right now it does those things best with Windows because of industry standards.Feb 17 03:25
FurnaceBoyhm, not quite...Feb 17 03:25
FurnaceBoythe beneficiary is Microsoft. efficiency or cost-effectiveness is an illusion.Feb 17 03:26
DaemonFChttp://techie-buzz.com/linux-news/avatar-linux.htmlFeb 17 03:26
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FurnaceBoyand standards? they have defined themselves as a standard for reasons of profit. they don't like or follow external standards.Feb 17 03:26
shreddarI meant as far as compatibiliy.Feb 17 03:26
DaemonFCproprietary software running on RHELFeb 17 03:26
FurnaceBoy"de facto standard" is a euphemismFeb 17 03:26
FurnaceBoyshreddar: yes. Avatar was rendered on Linux. Lord of the Rings. Every major CGI movie.Feb 17 03:27
FurnaceBoy!google avatar wetaFeb 17 03:27
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FurnaceBoyack, how does the bot work?Feb 17 03:27
DaemonFCPeople think "Mac" when they think "Hollywood" because some douchebag director is running around with one for his personal laptop :)Feb 17 03:27
shreddarLord of the Rings wow.Feb 17 03:27
FurnaceBoyshreddar: nobody takes MS seriously for jobs of that scale.Feb 17 03:27
FurnaceBoyshreddar: WETA digitalFeb 17 03:28
FurnaceBoyshreddar: one of the largest renderfarms in the world.Feb 17 03:28
FurnaceBoyshreddar: also, Pixar uses LInux, Dreamworks alsoFeb 17 03:28
FurnaceBoyshreddar: MS has no credibility in real productionFeb 17 03:28
FurnaceBoytoo expensive, too inflexible, too inefficientFeb 17 03:28
FurnaceBoythese places build all their own toolsFeb 17 03:29
shreddarWell thats not the case for Documents, Music and Photo editing.Feb 17 03:29
shreddarSo farFeb 17 03:29
FurnaceBoywell, there's a lot of the world use Windows for that.Feb 17 03:29
FurnaceBoyand a lot don't.Feb 17 03:29
FurnaceBoyI never did.Feb 17 03:29
FurnaceBoyat one point, Windows had no presence in graphic arts and media.Feb 17 03:30
FurnaceBoynoneFeb 17 03:30
DaemonFCWell, also, why would they take chances on some employee inadvertantly installing malware when they plug in a thumb drive from home?Feb 17 03:30
FurnaceBoyall the major products were Mac first, or Mac only.Feb 17 03:30
DaemonFCThat stuff happens.Feb 17 03:30
FurnaceBoyPhotoshop hit Windows at version 3.0. Illustrator at 4.0. XPress at 3.3Feb 17 03:30
FurnaceBoya decade after the Mac debutsFeb 17 03:30
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Wine doesn't run Photoshop CS4Feb 17 03:30
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: OS X does.Feb 17 03:31
DaemonFCyou can install it, but it won't runFeb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyand, absent the monopoly, Linux would too.Feb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoykill the monopoly, a lot of things start changin' :)Feb 17 03:31
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Adobe won't port it to Linux, that's the only reason whyFeb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Duh.Feb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: not yet.Feb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but they willFeb 17 03:31
DaemonFCit would be trivial to port it from OS X Feb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: spoken like a non-coderFeb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's not a trivial port.Feb 17 03:31
FurnaceBoybut it is possible.Feb 17 03:32
shreddarWindows still does those things cheaper than OSX and it's the standard in most companies.Feb 17 03:32
DaemonFCAdobe is not porting it because they're being paid by Apple not toFeb 17 03:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: lulzFeb 17 03:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's actually an expensive port, because the OS X API does not exist on linux at all.Feb 17 03:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Carbon/CocoaFeb 17 03:32
DaemonFCit's obvious to see why Apple is terrified that a free OS that runs on any computer would get one of the hottest programs on OS XFeb 17 03:32
shreddarNow linux is gradually making headway in those areas.Feb 17 03:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Adobe will port when MS share drops a little further, and GIMP gets a little better.Feb 17 03:33
FurnaceBoyit's inevitable.Feb 17 03:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you only have to waitFeb 17 03:33
FurnaceBoyshreddar: yesFeb 17 03:33
DaemonFCUbuntu is throwing GIMP in the trash, and Ubuntu is estimated to be at least 40% of desktop Linux usersFeb 17 03:33
FurnaceBoyshreddar: google for "weta avatar linux", the articles make good readingFeb 17 03:33
DaemonFCthat's disturbingFeb 17 03:33
shreddarbut it not there yet and windows it. hense why it's still here.Feb 17 03:33
FurnaceBoyshreddar: and OS X, of course. very productive and professional systemFeb 17 03:34
shreddarWindows is the cheaper option though. (linux could be the cheapest if they supported it)Feb 17 03:35
FurnaceBoythey will :)Feb 17 03:36
FurnaceBoymark my words .. :DFeb 17 03:36
DaemonFChmmm, I take it that 90% or more of Mesa is done by VMWare?Feb 17 03:39
cubezzzyou can buy support thoughFeb 17 03:41
DaemonFCthey're hauling ass too from the looks of itFeb 17 03:41
*DaemonFC thinks that Madworld is going to be on the list of games in this month's budgetFeb 17 03:42
DaemonFCI almost never buy the latest video games, I wait 6-8 months and snag them for $10-$20Feb 17 03:42
DaemonFCI asked the guy at McVan's one day how long the turnaround was for used games, and he told me you get kids in there buying them for $60 and they're back within a month selling them back for $10 of store credit so he can put a 40 price tag on itFeb 17 03:44
DaemonFC*$40Feb 17 03:44
shreddarWhen I said support I meant from Adobe, Stienburg and Microsoft (for MS Office).Feb 17 03:44
DaemonFCso a store will make $100 or more off the same copy of one gameFeb 17 03:45
DaemonFCsell it, kid gets through all 12 hours of gameplay, trades it in, sell it for $40, kid beats it, trades it in, sell it again for $20Feb 17 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yes they do that hereFeb 17 03:46
FurnaceBoypretty funny b/c at the same time, the corps are probably trying to squash secondary markets like ebay ;-)Feb 17 03:46
DaemonFCit's an insult, what they buy back the game for. Hasn't anyone ever heard of ebay?Feb 17 03:46
FurnaceBoyas Adobe doesFeb 17 03:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they're probably lobbying to have ebay outlawed.Feb 17 03:47
DaemonFCyeah, sell it on ebay yourself and get $30, not $10 store creditFeb 17 03:47
DaemonFCmost likely :)Feb 17 03:47
DaemonFCif you won't take store credit, they'll offer you like $2Feb 17 03:47
DaemonFClolFeb 17 03:47
DaemonFCgo buy yourself a candy barFeb 17 03:48
Ender2070_ms would love to own the market and introduce drm into their games so you need to activate them and never be able to sell them offFeb 17 03:49
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 17 03:49
FurnaceBoyalmost thereFeb 17 03:49
cubezzzhmm?Feb 17 03:49
Ender2070_windows and office do itFeb 17 03:49
Ender2070_once they have a gaming console monopoly, mark my wordsFeb 17 03:49
cubezzzeven lgp drms games nowFeb 17 03:50
cubezzzunfortunate, but trueFeb 17 03:50
FurnaceBoycubezzz: rightFeb 17 03:50
FurnaceBoycubezzz: RockstarFeb 17 03:50
cubezzzthe prob is piracy on games is very very highFeb 17 03:50
Ender2070_MS will say that it will cut piracy and reduce prices on games, but xbox720 games will cost probably even moreFeb 17 03:51
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, There's a commercial for a fake pad of grass you can buy for your dog to take a leak/dump on, and they illustrated with one of those "How many times has THIS happened?, the dog took a shit on the couch and it was all liquefied and reddish. I was like "What in the FUCK did you feed that thing? Hormel canned tamales coated in Tabasco?" :DFeb 17 03:51
DaemonFC:PFeb 17 03:51
Ender2070_or whatever they call the next xboxFeb 17 03:51
cubezzzgrossFeb 17 03:51
Ender2070_DaemonFC - never seen infomercials ?Feb 17 03:52
cubezzzthis is why I pick gerbils for pet :)Feb 17 03:52
cubezzzsmaller poopsFeb 17 03:52
Ender2070_they always show some retard trying to put together a food processor or some shit, only to show you their even more complex unitFeb 17 03:52
DaemonFCEnder2070_, Yeah, but that one caught me while I had a mint in my mouth and I about choked on it from laughingFeb 17 03:52
Ender2070_too bad :(Feb 17 03:52
*DaemonFC calls the lawyer to see if he can sueFeb 17 03:52
Ender2070_of course you can sueFeb 17 03:53
Ender2070_1) America - CheckFeb 17 03:53
Ender2070_2) Access to a lawyer - CheckFeb 17 03:53
Ender2070_3) Lawsuit = BingoFeb 17 03:53
DaemonFC3) frivolous, checkFeb 17 03:53
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 03:53
cubezzzthat doesn't stop them thoughFeb 17 03:53
cubezzzwhat is SCO going these days? :)Feb 17 03:54
cubezzzit's been too quietFeb 17 03:54
DaemonFCcubezzz, "I'm melting, MEEEEEEELTIIIIINNG!!!! I own UNIX!!!! AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"Feb 17 03:54
DaemonFCimagine the scene from Wizard of OzFeb 17 03:55
cubezzzonce the money runs out, the lawyers will baleFeb 17 03:55
DaemonFCcubezzz, Of course. Whoever runs out of money first loses their case. How else would lawsuits be settled? :)Feb 17 03:55
DaemonFCWhy else could RIAA do so many SLAPPs?Feb 17 03:56
cubezzzin the USFeb 17 03:57
cubezzzbeyond that... no worriesFeb 17 03:57
DaemonFCcubezzz, maybeFeb 17 03:57
DaemonFCThey can pay judges in foreign countries to legislate from the benchFeb 17 03:57
cubezzzanyways, I paid for music I wantFeb 17 03:57
DaemonFCThe Pirate Bay anyone?Feb 17 03:57
cubezzzsee aboveFeb 17 03:57
cubezzzI even paid for harpiscord music :)Feb 17 03:58
DaemonFCI haven't paid the RIAA any money since 1998Feb 17 03:58
cubezzzuse music cards... no credit card neededFeb 17 03:58
DaemonFCand I don't plan to start anytime soon eitherFeb 17 03:58
cubezzzso you never pay for music?Feb 17 03:59
DaemonFCRIAA and Greedtallica guaranteed them I will never pay them againFeb 17 03:59
cubezzzthere's lots of other music makers who aren't MetallicaFeb 17 04:00
DaemonFCI won't pay them again until they (1) Really do stop filing SLAPPs against people. (2) Quit trying to use DRM and (3) Apologize publicly Feb 17 04:00
cubezzzwhat about dead composers? :)Feb 17 04:00
cubezzzyou see, you can just always make excusesFeb 17 04:01
DaemonFCWhat about them? That's the music that shouldn't ever be paid for under any circumstancesFeb 17 04:01
cubezzzbut as I said, I paid for music want. SimpleFeb 17 04:01
DaemonFCI don't believe in paying money when none of it every reaches the people doing the workFeb 17 04:01
cubezzzyeah, I'm just trying to find out if you _ever_ pay for musicFeb 17 04:01
DaemonFC*everFeb 17 04:01
DaemonFCI don't believe in paying "the estate" royalties for a workFeb 17 04:02
DaemonFCeverFeb 17 04:02
shreddarI kinda like Greedtallica. Musically. Not personally of course.Feb 17 04:02
cubezzzmehFeb 17 04:02
cubezzzwell, one thing is inescapeable, you pay for internet :)Feb 17 04:03
DaemonFCshreddar, Lars Ulrich is an idiot, every time he speaks he proves there's nothing going on up there. He even admitted getting on Limewire and downloading MP3s of a leaked album of theirs that THEY couldn't get from the record company.Feb 17 04:03
DaemonFCIt's OK when it's Lars Ulrich doing itFeb 17 04:03
DaemonFCeven though it's just as illegalFeb 17 04:03
shreddarI said musically.Feb 17 04:04
cubezzzhe's not an idiot, just inconsiderateFeb 17 04:04
cubezzzand greedyFeb 17 04:04
cubezzzmusic tracks are 99 cents, it's not too much to askFeb 17 04:05
cubezzzif it has DRM then it's not difficult to remove the DRMFeb 17 04:05
DaemonFCwell, he's a hypocrite for doing it, he's an idiot for publicly admitting he did it, and he's a greedy piece of shit for helping get the DMCA passed and helping the RIAA sue peopleFeb 17 04:05
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 04:05
cubezzzagain, there are plenty of other music producers...Feb 17 04:05
DaemonFCcubezzz, The problem was that under US law in 1998, Napster was not doing ANYTHING illegal, nor were its users.Feb 17 04:06
DaemonFCthe Audio Home Recording Act stipulates that a person can make copies of their music to share with friends, legallyFeb 17 04:06
cubezzzit was too newFeb 17 04:06
DaemonFCcubezzz, So if I give you a copy of my music and declare that you are "my friend", that law says I can do thatFeb 17 04:07
shreddarI believe Artist deserve money they work for but not automatically from every single copy or derivative someone make of their work.Feb 17 04:07
cubezzzok, aside from all that, as purely a convienence issue, I will pay 99 cents for tracks I wantFeb 17 04:07
cubezzzshreddar, I once bought 3 times one episode of Star Trek :)Feb 17 04:08
cubezzzVHS, DVD and an air check recordingFeb 17 04:08
cubezzzwant can I say, I wanted all 3Feb 17 04:09
cubezzzwhatFeb 17 04:09
cubezzzof course now I wouldn't pay for VHS unless it was _only_ on VHSFeb 17 04:10
shreddarHey you pay for a VHS adn DVD and a "air check recording" that had Star Trek on them.Feb 17 04:10
cubezzzthe air check was from NBC 16 mm recording, I was a fan so I bought it Feb 17 04:11
cubezzzprobably not even legalFeb 17 04:11
cubezzzone collector to anotherFeb 17 04:11
DaemonFCcubezzz, Keep funding them so they can keep lobbying your government to be more corrupt and biased towards themFeb 17 04:12
DaemonFCsooner or later that "Canadian super DMCA" will passFeb 17 04:12
DaemonFCI don't doubt thatFeb 17 04:12
cubezzzI guess I could torrent the other episodes I have on VHS without any problemsFeb 17 04:12
cubezzzI doubt such a law would ever passFeb 17 04:13
DaemonFCcubezzz, Hannibal is at the gates, let's give him money so he can buy better siege machines!!!Feb 17 04:13
DaemonFC*grin*Feb 17 04:13
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cubezzzok, another example...Feb 17 04:14
cubezzzI had an old old VHS of a Laurel and Hardy film, quality was badFeb 17 04:14
DaemonFCHannibal ad portas :)Feb 17 04:14
cubezzzthen a new digitially restored DVD comes out... you would never consider buying the new DVD?Feb 17 04:14
cubezzzsee, it just sounds like you _always_ pirateFeb 17 04:15
DaemonFCcubezzz, Sometimes I rent them out of the redbox and slice out all the "bonus crap" and commercials and mackeralvision and CSSFeb 17 04:15
DaemonFCdump it as an ISOFeb 17 04:16
cubezzzyou never consider buying media?Feb 17 04:16
shreddarNothing wrong with being a fan and showing it buy buying memorbilia, merchandise or several formats of the same episode.Feb 17 04:16
shreddarOk maybe there is but it's not inethical.Feb 17 04:16
DaemonFCcubezzz, I also sneak into movies sometimesFeb 17 04:16
cubezzzthe air check was quite interesting shreddarFeb 17 04:16
cubezzzit included the commercials of the first star trek broadcastFeb 17 04:17
DaemonFCusually sneak in after the first batch of showings is out, then catch one of the 2nd, then sneak into one of the 3rd, then one of the late showsFeb 17 04:17
DaemonFCsee everything playing at the theater that I was interested in without paying themFeb 17 04:17
cubezzznot often you get to see 60's commercials :)Feb 17 04:17
shreddarI wonder what you though of that reboot they just came out with.Feb 17 04:17
cubezzzahhhhFeb 17 04:17
DaemonFCcubezzz, I'd be lying if I said that some of that wasn't about the moneyFeb 17 04:18
cubezzzmixed feelings for sure thereFeb 17 04:18
DaemonFCbut it's more disgusting to see who it goes toFeb 17 04:18
cubezzzthey turned Star Trek into mostly an active movie... Feb 17 04:18
DaemonFCcubezzz, Yeah, I have thatFeb 17 04:18
DaemonFCit's good :)Feb 17 04:18
cubezzza torrent of course...Feb 17 04:18
DaemonFCcubezzz, NoFeb 17 04:18
DaemonFCcloned the DVD Feb 17 04:19
cubezzzbah :)Feb 17 04:19
shreddarI take it you thought is was a good movie but it just wasn't Star Trek.Feb 17 04:19
cubezzzshreddar, basically yeahFeb 17 04:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Greatest program ever written! 1K #chess on #sinclair #zx81 http://programming-musings.org/2010/01/08/the-greatest-program-ever-written/Feb 17 04:20
cubezzzok there is also 1k chess for Kim-1 :)Feb 17 04:20
cubezzzI like the original Star TrekFeb 17 04:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (That made me think of Jack Black)Feb 17 04:21
cubezzzthe new movie was interesting thoughFeb 17 04:21
DaemonFCcubezzz, Here's how it went..... Me: "Give me a firing solution on that DRM....bring up the phasers and photon torpedoes....On my mark, give them everything you've got.....FIRE!!!!"Feb 17 04:21
DaemonFCand then of course the DRM's shields fell and I destroyed it, yada yada, great success! B-)Feb 17 04:21
cubezzzI still picture Pike as Jeffery HunterFeb 17 04:22
cubezzzI was excited about the 1st Star Trek movie back in the late 70'sFeb 17 04:23
DaemonFCcubezzz, The Next Generation movies were not only boring, they were getting oldFeb 17 04:23
cubezzzI was excited about Next Generation, after that it just wasn't that excitingFeb 17 04:23
cubezzzyeahFeb 17 04:23
cubezzzespecially the final oneFeb 17 04:23
DaemonFCthey felt like extended episodes of the seriesFeb 17 04:24
DaemonFC:PFeb 17 04:24
cubezzzthe original cast was the best castFeb 17 04:24
DaemonFCwith better SFXFeb 17 04:24
cubezzzthat's just it thoughFeb 17 04:24
cubezzzI like the original Star Trek, and it had the worst FXFeb 17 04:24
cubezzzit had better writingFeb 17 04:25
DaemonFCnah, the TNG moviesFeb 17 04:25
DaemonFCoh well, they could have brought back Wil Wheaton :PFeb 17 04:26
cubezzzI don't think he was in any of the movies?Feb 17 04:26
Ender2070_I liked the TOS moviesFeb 17 04:26
Ender2070_#4 is my all time favoriteFeb 17 04:27
DaemonFCthe one where they went back for the whales?Feb 17 04:27
DaemonFC:PFeb 17 04:27
Ender2070_It's the 80's, and Chekov asks a cop "Where are your nuclear wessels"Feb 17 04:27
cubezzzit was a bit goofy thoughFeb 17 04:27
DaemonFCEnder2070_, Yeah, that part was funnyFeb 17 04:27
DaemonFChere in the middle of the cold war, and in a thick Russian accent....Feb 17 04:28
cubezzzgoing to contemporary earth = saving $$$Feb 17 04:28
cubezzzfake Russian accentFeb 17 04:28
DaemonFCEnder2070_, You'll have to forgive my friend, he's taken too much LDSFeb 17 04:29
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 04:29
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 04:29
Ender2070_and a double dumbass on you!Feb 17 04:29
cubezzzpeople always remember the stupid parts :)Feb 17 04:29
cubezzzdon't forget the punk rocker on the bus who gets the nerve pinch :)Feb 17 04:30
DaemonFCthen they siphon the power from the reactor of the USS EnterpriseFeb 17 04:30
DaemonFCI appreciated that partFeb 17 04:30
shreddarHello computer?Feb 17 04:30
DaemonFCheh, shreddar...He was like 14 years before Vista or else he may have gotten a real surprise Feb 17 04:31
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 04:31
cubezzzthen Scotty bangs out the formula for transparent aluminium on software he's never seen before :)Feb 17 04:32
DaemonFCwe're still interacting with our computers the old fashioned way because voice recognition really doesn't work too wellFeb 17 04:32
shreddarSpeak for yourself.Feb 17 04:33
DaemonFCI'd like to see them install Vista voice recognition to replace the main computer aboard the EnterpriseFeb 17 04:33
shreddarComputer! Computer!Feb 17 04:33
cubezzzhahahaFeb 17 04:33
DaemonFCthat would be a hootFeb 17 04:33
cubezzzsurrrre :)Feb 17 04:33
cubezzzComputer, remove the viruses from yourself = BSODFeb 17 04:33
DaemonFCfive minutes later they're at full impulse, spinning 360 degrees, all weapons firing, because the captain asked it what time it wasFeb 17 04:34
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 04:34
DaemonFC"Welcome to the Enterprise, for GODS SAKE, don't ask it where the restroom is!!! We already lost three crewmembers the last time that happened!"Feb 17 04:35
cubezzzwe better not be using doze in the 23rd centuryFeb 17 04:35
shreddarDam't Computer don't type that! Noooooo!Feb 17 04:36
cubezzzI'd like to see doze gone by 2015 Feb 17 04:36
DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8518670.stmFeb 17 04:37
cubezzzStar Trek never shows the restroom :)Feb 17 04:37
DaemonFCW00t!!!!Feb 17 04:37
DaemonFCDie hippie anti-nuclear bastards!!!Feb 17 04:37
cubezzzat least I never saw oneFeb 17 04:38
shreddarWindows will be around for the same reason Amiga isFeb 17 04:38
DaemonFCYou know France has a lot of nuclear power plants and they just dump the waste into the oceanFeb 17 04:38
DaemonFCwhy doesn't anyone bitch at France?Feb 17 04:38
DaemonFC"No!!! You can't seal it up and put it in a specially designed storage facility in an abandoned Utah salt mine!!!!!" (What happened here)Feb 17 04:39
DaemonFCOh, France can just go dump it out at seaFeb 17 04:39
DaemonFCthe Russians can just scuttle old nuclear submarinesFeb 17 04:39
DaemonFCthey had one sink at portFeb 17 04:39
DaemonFCI was watching the History Channel one day talking about our salt mine proposal, and it said we needed to put things up to scare the shit out of non-English speakers because that waste has a half-life of 10,000 yearsFeb 17 04:41
DaemonFCand I quipped "And this will all be part of Mexico"Feb 17 04:41
DaemonFCand then the narrator continues that one solution might be to put scary statues out in front so that it would scare people awayFeb 17 04:42
DaemonFCand I was thinking "So future archaeologists can assume we were all just a bunch of crazy delusional idol worshippers who prayed to a scary pantheon of gods......close enough"Feb 17 04:42
DaemonFCbut how does that get the message across that there's toxic radioactive sludge down there that can kill you?Feb 17 04:44
Ender2070_schestowitz - look up "in-groups" and "out-groups" in regards to neurolinguisticsFeb 17 04:44
Ender2070_example:Feb 17 04:45
DaemonFCwhy can't we just put up pictograms of people dying?Feb 17 04:45
DaemonFCdying horriblyFeb 17 04:45
DaemonFCthat would turn me away even if I didn't understand EnglishFeb 17 04:45
Ender2070_"For now, we can note that categorization is one of the strategies we reach for. If I define a person as a member of a group, my knowledge of that group will colour my responses to the person"Feb 17 04:45
Ender2070_then you think, who runs a BoycottBoys listFeb 17 04:46
DaemonFCI think we should run across the border and dump it in MexicoFeb 17 04:46
DaemonFCjust like, turn the border into a giant field of deadly nuclear shitFeb 17 04:47
DaemonFCthat'd stop themFeb 17 04:47
Ender2070_People also tend to group based on similar interests and beliefs so that will reinforce this categorization and bias towards those peopleFeb 17 04:47
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Ender2070_someone might also mention factual secret plans that get leaked or whateverFeb 17 04:48
Ender2070_immediately they are a "conspiracy theorist", and it paints themFeb 17 04:48
Ender2070_then people might think they believe in chem trails, reptilians, alien-human hybrid nonsense and moreFeb 17 04:49
Ender2070_meanwhile in history there have been some perfectly valid conspiracy theories that turned out to be trueFeb 17 04:49
DaemonFCEnder2070_, Religion contributes to the security of the state for that reasonFeb 17 04:50
Ender2070_oh hell yesFeb 17 04:50
Ender2070_religion invented brainwashingFeb 17 04:50
DaemonFCcause once you take that away, what else does a society have in common?Feb 17 04:50
Ender2070_before or after everyone has their survival and self reliance skills removed?Feb 17 04:52
shreddarIt's more accurate to say man invented brainwashing.Feb 17 04:53
Ender2070_wellFeb 17 04:53
Ender2070_man invented religion, so man invented bothFeb 17 04:53
DaemonFCwell, China suppresses religion heavily, but they still have the gunsFeb 17 04:54
DaemonFCthat's how they keep control :)Feb 17 04:54
Ender2070_China uses a vast variety of brainwashing techniquesFeb 17 04:54
Ender2070_and they don't call it thatFeb 17 04:54
Ender2070_they call it "re-education"Feb 17 04:54
DaemonFCyeah, rolling in the army and machine gunning the protesters probably works well enoughFeb 17 04:55
Ender2070_they were brainwashing christian priestsFeb 17 04:55
DaemonFCEnder2070_, Like German "Positive Christianity"?Feb 17 04:56
Ender2070_Father LucaFeb 17 04:56
Ender2070_Father SimonFeb 17 04:56
Ender2070_Robert Lifton's Eight Totalist ThemesFeb 17 04:57
Ender2070_1) Milieu control - Control of an individual's communications with the external world, hence of his or her perceptions of realityFeb 17 04:57
Ender2070_2) Mystical manipulation - Evoking certain patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that they seem to be spontaneousFeb 17 04:58
Ender2070_3) The demand for purity - The belief that elements outside the chosen group should be eliminated to prevent them contaminating the minds of group membersFeb 17 04:58
Ender2070_4) The cult of confession - The use of and insistence on confession to minimize individual privacyFeb 17 04:59
Ender2070_5) Sacred Science - Viewing the ideology's basic dogmas as both morally unchallengeable and scientifically exact, thus increasing their apparent authorityFeb 17 04:59
DaemonFCEnder2070_, #4 sounds like the Catholics to meFeb 17 05:00
DaemonFCwell, more than that, but that especiallyFeb 17 05:00
Ender2070_6) Loading the language - Compressing complex ideas into brief, definitive-sounding phrases, "thought terminating cliches"Feb 17 05:00
Ender2070_7) The primacy of doctrine over the person - The idea that a dogma is more true and more real than anything experienced by an individual human beingFeb 17 05:01
Ender2070_8) The dispensing of existence - The right to control the quality of life and eventual fate of both group members and non-membersFeb 17 05:01
Ender2070_sounds like most religionsFeb 17 05:01
Ender2070_even some governmentsFeb 17 05:01
Ender2070_5 is used by climate hoaxers, use a nobel cause to enforce your brainwashingFeb 17 05:02
Ender2070_everyone knows we have impact on the planet, so they use it to exaggerate fear and uncertainty of the life of the planetFeb 17 05:03
DaemonFCI get paid in three minutesFeb 17 05:03
DaemonFCyeehawFeb 17 05:03
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Finished naming my audio tracks. Unfinished work, but still need names :DFeb 17 05:04
Ender2070_California is still running into massive pollution, they failed at regulating carsFeb 17 05:05
Ender2070_they also failed at power generationFeb 17 05:05
Ender2070_they still burn coalFeb 17 05:05
DaemonFCEnder2070_, The Governator has set them back years on environmental causesFeb 17 05:05
Ender2070_replace those coal plants with nuclearFeb 17 05:06
Ender2070_c02 levels would drop like madFeb 17 05:06
DaemonFCEnder2070_, I was bemused by the fact that Obama didn't mention the clean coal fallacy at the announcementFeb 17 05:06
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 05:06
Ender2070_coal is just cheapFeb 17 05:06
Ender2070_nuclear is too but not up frontFeb 17 05:07
Ender2070_its cheaper in the long runFeb 17 05:07
DaemonFC"We're gonna be environmentally friendly using something that can't be anything but environmentally unfriendly!"Feb 17 05:07
DaemonFCSee how that is supposed to work?Feb 17 05:07
DaemonFCI don'tFeb 17 05:07
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:07
Ender2070_they'll do everything like regulate births, or taxing births for c02 meanwhile coal isn't looked atFeb 17 05:07
DaemonFCEnder2070_, Well, he didn't mention that some of our power plants burn regular fuelsFeb 17 05:07
DaemonFCnot many of them, but some burn straight dieselFeb 17 05:08
DaemonFCand we import almost all of thatFeb 17 05:08
Ender2070_the goal is to seem like they are fixing thingsFeb 17 05:08
DaemonFCthings that are imported should be tossed away first and foremostFeb 17 05:08
DaemonFCeven when it doesn't save much moneyFeb 17 05:08
Ender2070_that way when they fail, they can enact totalitarian laws to "protect the environment"Feb 17 05:08
DaemonFCnuclear isn't a bad way to go, imoFeb 17 05:09
Ender2070_no, its the best way to go right nowFeb 17 05:09
Ender2070_:DFeb 17 05:09
DaemonFCbut building two reactors won't make a huge dent in our energy availableFeb 17 05:09
DaemonFCwe have 102 reactors todayFeb 17 05:09
Ender2070_how many coal plants will 1 reactor replace thoughFeb 17 05:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Microsoft - Tax Evader Par Excelence http://bit.ly/abeWg6Feb 17 05:10
DaemonFCnot entirely sure about thatFeb 17 05:10
DaemonFCbut what about the jobs lost at the coal plants?Feb 17 05:10
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 05:10
DaemonFChe didn't mention that, did he?Feb 17 05:10
Ender2070_they can get jobs at nuclear plantsFeb 17 05:10
DaemonFCwell, duh, the numbers might balance outFeb 17 05:10
DaemonFCbut they're not net gains on jobsFeb 17 05:10
DaemonFChe positioned it like they wereFeb 17 05:10
DaemonFChe should have to tell us how many people lose coal plant jobs and how many people get hired for nuclear plantFeb 17 05:11
DaemonFCand the difference is how many jobs were actually addedFeb 17 05:11
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 05:12
DaemonFCEnder2070_, He cited 850 permanent nuclear jobs, but didn't say how many coal plant jobs were going to be lostFeb 17 05:12
Ender2070_and if the companies spent less money importing various fuels to power them, the could put that money elsewhereFeb 17 05:12
DaemonFCso if 600 coal jobs are lost, and we have a net gain of 250, that's goodFeb 17 05:12
DaemonFCbut he acted like it would just be the 850 newFeb 17 05:12
Ender2070_weasel wordingFeb 17 05:12
DaemonFCyepFeb 17 05:13
Ender2070_basicly he is technically correctFeb 17 05:13
Ender2070_850 *new* jobsFeb 17 05:13
Ender2070_just dont mention lost jobsFeb 17 05:13
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:13
DaemonFCyeah, didn't want to burst everyones bubble and tell the trusth that few or no additional jobs will come from this thingFeb 17 05:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Gotta love woman's figure skating. I've seen bikinis with more skin coverage. And those bodies... I know, I'm too old to chase them :(Feb 17 05:14
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:14
Ender2070_ms can use a similar excuseFeb 17 05:14
DaemonFCMicrosoft does speak in terms like ObamaFeb 17 05:14
DaemonFCit's called PR :)Feb 17 05:14
Ender2070_"if we're gone, entire industries will collapse, a/v, anti spyware, computer repair shops"Feb 17 05:14
DaemonFCyeah, you mean predatory industries that pump people for money to post a guard at the door Microsoft left openFeb 17 05:15
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 05:15
Ender2070_now if you want to stop microsoft, you're destroying jobs!!!!Feb 17 05:15
Ender2070_oh noes!Feb 17 05:15
DaemonFCthat's not true, those people have programming skillsFeb 17 05:15
DaemonFCthey can get jobs doing things that benefit peopleFeb 17 05:16
Ender2070_yeah but it would probably be c#Feb 17 05:16
Ender2070_which dies with msftFeb 17 05:16
DaemonFCmeh, Microsoft just has that air surrounding itFeb 17 05:16
DaemonFCkind of like the Soviet Union circa 1988Feb 17 05:17
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:17
cubezzzso passes the old wayFeb 17 05:17
DaemonFCinsisting that they're alive and well, and then the next year, you have republics seceding, the berlin wall coming downFeb 17 05:17
Ender2070_i'll wait to see microsoft's wall taken downFeb 17 05:17
cubezzzit's downFeb 17 05:18
Ender2070_not quiteFeb 17 05:18
DaemonFCEnder2070_, The problem for Microsoft is that each FOSS segment of importance, has more programmers working on it than Microsoft can afford to pay to work on that piece of WindowsFeb 17 05:18
cubezzzthe long decline has begunFeb 17 05:18
Ender2070_windows mobile 7 will be the hammerFeb 17 05:18
DaemonFCWindows right now is more or less in a state of decay management while FOSS development is boomingFeb 17 05:19
DaemonFCfirst came the 3 year delay that resulted in Vista, then another 3 years gives you a "Vista SE"Feb 17 05:20
Ender2070_Windows might be getting dusty, but never underestimate crappy businesses who are blindly using everything ms comes out withFeb 17 05:20
Ender2070_plus you still have people running their businesses on old 9x machinesFeb 17 05:20
Ender2070_i've seen themFeb 17 05:20
Ender2070_lol that reminds me of a funny situation I had at a pc shop I worked atFeb 17 05:21
Ender2070_had a business customer bring in a "mission critical pc" and didnt want to wait the 2 day turnaroundFeb 17 05:21
Ender2070_said his business was relying on that one pcFeb 17 05:21
Ender2070_"don't you have backups?"Feb 17 05:22
DaemonFCnope :)Feb 17 05:22
Ender2070_I don't know, but if I was running a business I would have duplicate machines for that reasonFeb 17 05:22
DaemonFCEnder2070_, I'm not sure what to think about regarding those online backup dealsFeb 17 05:23
Ender2070_for the same reason you make photocopies of transations and contractsFeb 17 05:23
DaemonFCseems a little like spyware or potential search warrants that I'm not aware ofFeb 17 05:23
Ender2070_i dont rely on online backupFeb 17 05:23
Ender2070_other than my own server, sometimesFeb 17 05:24
DaemonFCI wouldn't use one that backed up to a US serverFeb 17 05:24
DaemonFCcause then the government can just do some kind of phoney warrant on itFeb 17 05:24
DaemonFCone of those National Security LettersFeb 17 05:24
Ender2070_they are doing that to us right nowFeb 17 05:24
Ender2070_they just need a reason to go through this dataFeb 17 05:25
DaemonFCWhat do you think about Ubuntu One?Feb 17 05:25
cubezzzI have my own serverFeb 17 05:25
Ender2070_terrorism, terrorism, swine flue, flu, saddam huissein, iran iran iranFeb 17 05:25
Ender2070_that should set off enough keywordsFeb 17 05:27
Ender2070_http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/06/spy_roomFeb 17 05:27
Ender2070_it was sad to see obama's DOJ still enforce the use of these roomsFeb 17 05:29
Ender2070_trying to get the EFF vs AT&T case thrown outFeb 17 05:29
Ender2070_I remember when he first got into power and kept it up, people said it was just because he couldnt change anything yet. BullocksFeb 17 05:30
Ender2070_he hasn't reveresed any of bush's changesFeb 17 05:30
Diablo-D3you mean congress hasntFeb 17 05:30
Ender2070_yes and I don't see that ever happeningFeb 17 05:31
Diablo-D3I doFeb 17 05:31
Diablo-D3its called VOTING FOR SOMEONE WHOS NOT A FUCKING REPUBLICANFeb 17 05:31
Ender2070_they are allowed unlimited funds from lobbyistsFeb 17 05:31
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yes, and you know what I'd do?Feb 17 05:31
Diablo-D3take all the lobby moneyFeb 17 05:32
Diablo-D3and then do whatever the fuck I wantFeb 17 05:32
Ender2070_yes but you think you're living in a democratic nationFeb 17 05:32
Diablo-D3I am in the sense that someday I'll be very richFeb 17 05:32
Diablo-D3Rich people are scared of people like me, just imagine what happens if I get my hands on money.Feb 17 05:32
Ender2070_thats the thing, you wontFeb 17 05:33
Diablo-D3I, oh I dunno, might go cure a profitable disease.Feb 17 05:33
Ender2070_and lots of money is required to get inFeb 17 05:33
Diablo-D3I can see the headlines nowFeb 17 05:33
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 05:33
Ender2070_you won't get the funding to do thatFeb 17 05:33
Diablo-D3"Diablo cures cancer, biotech stocks down 50%!"Feb 17 05:33
Diablo-D3<--- complete and utter bastard, and dont forget itFeb 17 05:33
Ender2070_most scientific research these days is steered by grantsFeb 17 05:33
Ender2070_you want to debunk global warming? no grant money for you. we'll give it to the guy who can't keep an organized office but lies for us.Feb 17 05:34
Diablo-D3I dont need to debunk itFeb 17 05:34
Diablo-D3due to the fact its not relevantFeb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3global warming does existFeb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3and it'd exist if humans were on earth or notFeb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3the earth warms and cools.Feb 17 05:35
Ender2070_andFeb 17 05:35
cubezzzyes ;)Feb 17 05:35
Ender2070_the planet would heal itself if we disappearedFeb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3the thing is we need to cut pollutionFeb 17 05:35
cubezzzLake Erie has frozen over too :)Feb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3pollution will be cutFeb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3no matter if big business wants it or notFeb 17 05:35
Diablo-D3big oil is basically fuckedFeb 17 05:36
Ender2070_my suggestion is banning coal and fossil fuel for power generationFeb 17 05:36
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: it wont matterFeb 17 05:36
Ender2070_and reverse deforestationFeb 17 05:36
Diablo-D3just make a company that produces nuclear generators that use lower radiation fuelsFeb 17 05:36
Ender2070_sell them to average joe?Feb 17 05:37
Diablo-D3sell them to the average joe's community.Feb 17 05:37
Ender2070_self sustaining electricity?Feb 17 05:37
Diablo-D3the power grid would be far less complex if we had small scale generators everywhereFeb 17 05:37
Ender2070_a personal reactor could probably run off of very low radiation fuelsFeb 17 05:37
Diablo-D3which means the cost of electricty would dropFeb 17 05:37
Diablo-D3and most power companies would go underFeb 17 05:37
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: it canFeb 17 05:37
Diablo-D3you can have an 18 wheeler sized pebble generatorFeb 17 05:37
Ender2070_without the risk of terrorism tooFeb 17 05:38
Diablo-D3it cant explodeFeb 17 05:38
Diablo-D3it cant leak in any useful wayFeb 17 05:38
Diablo-D3even if you try to damage it, its very much damage resistant.Feb 17 05:38
Diablo-D3and there isnt enough fuel in it to even make a dirty bomb that'll do anything but give you yourself cancerFeb 17 05:38
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:38
Diablo-D3and they dont need uranium either.Feb 17 05:38
Ender2070_but as you point outFeb 17 05:38
Ender2070_<Diablo-D3> and most power companies would go underFeb 17 05:39
Ender2070_andFeb 17 05:39
Ender2070_unlimited lobbying funds for congressFeb 17 05:39
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yes, but all it does is taking a state to say no.Feb 17 05:39
Ender2070_market it at TexasFeb 17 05:39
Diablo-D3and it is in the authority for the state government to allow it.Feb 17 05:39
Diablo-D3Maine would over night just to get rid of the CanadiansFeb 17 05:39
Ender2070_:PFeb 17 05:40
Diablo-D3Canada basically paid off the PUC here in Maine Feb 17 05:40
Ender2070_??Feb 17 05:40
Diablo-D3so we pay twice as much as the rest of the countryFeb 17 05:40
Ender2070_like USA doesnt pay us off at allFeb 17 05:40
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: I think you misunderstoodFeb 17 05:40
Diablo-D3maine used to have power generationFeb 17 05:40
Diablo-D3and then a canadian company came in, paid off a few douche bagsFeb 17 05:40
Ender2070_then they got a free trade agreementFeb 17 05:40
Diablo-D3and now we buy power from themFeb 17 05:41
Diablo-D3no matter if we agree to or notFeb 17 05:41
cubezzzwhat company was that?Feb 17 05:41
Diablo-D3cubezzz: dunnoFeb 17 05:41
Diablo-D3I don't do business with canadian companies nor do I want toFeb 17 05:41
Ender2070_Atomic Energy?Feb 17 05:41
Diablo-D3bunch of frauds.Feb 17 05:41
Diablo-D3several communities in maine are taking themselves off the grid, effectivelyFeb 17 05:41
Ender2070_dont blame all of canada for thisFeb 17 05:42
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: if canada cant control their companies, I very much do blame canadaFeb 17 05:42
Ender2070_we're not all fraudsFeb 17 05:42
Diablo-D3the lines at the border should have been cutFeb 17 05:42
Ender2070_USA can't control its own eitherFeb 17 05:42
Diablo-D3we dont want your power.Feb 17 05:42
Diablo-D3but as I was sayingFeb 17 05:42
Diablo-D3put a hundred of these small scale reactors inFeb 17 05:42
Diablo-D3force you silly canadians to buy the power at the same rate you sell it to usFeb 17 05:43
Diablo-D3and watch what happensFeb 17 05:43
Ender2070_actually this does happen alreadyFeb 17 05:43
Diablo-D3hilarity will ensue.Feb 17 05:43
Diablo-D3not at such a large scaleFeb 17 05:43
Ender2070_we sell USA energy, and when we need it back they double itFeb 17 05:43
Ender2070_because of free trade we cant back down on itFeb 17 05:43
Diablo-D3maine will be effectively disconnected from the entire gridFeb 17 05:43
Diablo-D3no other state or country can bitchFeb 17 05:44
cubezzzNew England utilities have been buying Canadian power for years, especially in the summerFeb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yes, but now thats ALL we buyFeb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3its disgustingFeb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3there is no reason to even be charging for powerFeb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3its another scamFeb 17 05:44
Ender2070_I would blame the politicians who allowed that to happen in MaineFeb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: no one didFeb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3just one guy.Feb 17 05:44
Diablo-D3and hes not a politicianFeb 17 05:45
Diablo-D3I dont even know his nameFeb 17 05:45
cubezzzthey charge for water tooFeb 17 05:45
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 05:45
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: thats the hilarious partFeb 17 05:45
Diablo-D3hes a nobodyFeb 17 05:45
cubezzznever mind electricityFeb 17 05:45
Ender2070_well the USA has been dishing this out to other countries for years dudeFeb 17 05:45
Ender2070_can't complain when you have to taste your own medicineFeb 17 05:45
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yes, but maine cant afford itFeb 17 05:45
Diablo-D3the US may have been doing it, but Maine never didFeb 17 05:45
Diablo-D3so if/when Maine finally does switch over to all local energyFeb 17 05:46
Ender2070_guilty by associationFeb 17 05:46
Diablo-D3fuck all of youFeb 17 05:46
Diablo-D3fuck the other states, fuck the other countriesFeb 17 05:46
Diablo-D3we'll have essentially free and unlimited powerFeb 17 05:46
Ender2070_run for political control of maineFeb 17 05:46
Ender2070_do itFeb 17 05:46
cubezzzhaFeb 17 05:46
Diablo-D3it'll be easier to just _buy_ maine.Feb 17 05:46
cubezzzgo solar :)Feb 17 05:47
Diablo-D3cubezzz: no roomFeb 17 05:47
Diablo-D3and wind is sort of a bustFeb 17 05:47
Ender2070_and scammyFeb 17 05:47
Diablo-D3it'd be easier to just do offshore wind + tidalFeb 17 05:47
Diablo-D3tidal especially, since right up the coast from us in canada has one of the highest tides in the worldFeb 17 05:47
Ender2070_hydroelectric is good tooFeb 17 05:47
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: thats what we used toFeb 17 05:48
Ender2070_depends on the locationFeb 17 05:48
Diablo-D3bangor hydro is one of our companies.Feb 17 05:48
Diablo-D3notice the nameFeb 17 05:48
cubezzzyesFeb 17 05:48
Diablo-D3they had to shut down all their hydro plants and their sole nuclear plantFeb 17 05:48
Ender2070_whyFeb 17 05:48
Diablo-D3because the PUC ordered them to.Feb 17 05:48
Ender2070_who is the PUCFeb 17 05:48
Diablo-D3public utilities commissionFeb 17 05:48
cubezzzeveryone has oneFeb 17 05:48
Diablo-D3bangor hydro threatened to go out of businessFeb 17 05:49
Diablo-D3and then the government threatened to put each and every one of them in jailFeb 17 05:49
Ender2070_who runs the PUCFeb 17 05:49
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: the commissioner of the PUCFeb 17 05:49
cubezzzrich dudes :)Feb 17 05:49
Ender2070_who does he work forFeb 17 05:49
Diablo-D3a single man who is hired for the positionFeb 17 05:49
Diablo-D3hes a nobody, an idiot public worker.Feb 17 05:49
Ender2070_he has a bossFeb 17 05:49
Diablo-D3like I said, I dont even know his nameFeb 17 05:49
Ender2070_it sounds government runFeb 17 05:49
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: he could have a boss, yes.Feb 17 05:50
Ender2070_http://www.state.me.us/mpuc/Feb 17 05:50
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: UH HELLOFeb 17 05:50
Diablo-D3it IS the governmentFeb 17 05:50
Diablo-D3what made you think it wasnt?Feb 17 05:50
Ender2070_oh waitFeb 17 05:50
Ender2070_im getting mixed upFeb 17 05:50
Ender2070_bangor hydro is private?Feb 17 05:50
Diablo-D3its a company, yes.Feb 17 05:51
Ender2070_well is it a private company or a public companyFeb 17 05:51
Diablo-D3it doesnt matterFeb 17 05:51
Ender2070_it doesFeb 17 05:51
Diablo-D3no, it doesntFeb 17 05:51
Diablo-D3the PUC is still in your shit no matter what.Feb 17 05:51
Ender2070_if its public there is accountabilityFeb 17 05:51
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: accountability for what?Feb 17 05:51
cubezzzwhat rate do you get?Feb 17 05:52
Ender2070_corruption and stupidness?Feb 17 05:52
Diablo-D3they cant be held accountable for being told to shut down and sell your shit.Feb 17 05:52
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Diablo-D3bangor hydro was _against_ fucking over people in maineFeb 17 05:52
Ender2070_the maine government then told them to shut down their plantsFeb 17 05:52
Diablo-D3they fought it to the bitter endFeb 17 05:52
Diablo-D3and lostFeb 17 05:52
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yes.Feb 17 05:52
cubezzzFirst 100Kwh = $0.058Feb 17 05:52
Diablo-D3and they were forced to comply.Feb 17 05:52
cubezzzoops, 100KwHFeb 17 05:52
cubezzzughFeb 17 05:53
cubezzz1000KwH :)Feb 17 05:53
Ender2070_we have our own issues tooFeb 17 05:53
Ender2070_we had Maurice StrongFeb 17 05:53
Ender2070_he fucked up our energy situation royallyFeb 17 05:53
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I use about 750-1000kwh a month and pay about $200Feb 17 05:53
Ender2070_privatized hydro, and ruined our atomic industryFeb 17 05:53
cubezzza significant expenseFeb 17 05:53
Ender2070_he then got a job at the UNFeb 17 05:53
Ender2070_while working at ontario hydroFeb 17 05:53
Ender2070_for his effortsFeb 17 05:53
Ender2070_once this was found out, he took a $0 salary at ontario hydro to continue fucking it upFeb 17 05:54
cubezzzDiablo-D3, we also have to pay debt retirement :-/Feb 17 05:54
cubezzzwhich sucksFeb 17 05:54
cubezzzhttp://www.opuc.on.ca/media/files/Residential%20Rates%20Nov%202009.pdfFeb 17 05:54
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: its not efficient anyhowFeb 17 05:55
Diablo-D3buying power that isnt locally produced wastes powerFeb 17 05:55
Diablo-D3which wastes moneyFeb 17 05:55
cubezzzyesFeb 17 05:55
Ender2070_i feel bad for you but please place the blame on your bad governmentFeb 17 05:55
Diablo-D3no, just one person.Feb 17 05:55
Ender2070_one person can't just shut down every power plant, he has government power backing him upFeb 17 05:55
Diablo-D3actually, he canFeb 17 05:56
Diablo-D3thats the job of the PUC.Feb 17 05:56
Ender2070_yes exactlyFeb 17 05:56
Ender2070_he has power given to him to do soFeb 17 05:56
Diablo-D3yes, which means hes responsible for his mitakes.Feb 17 05:56
cubezzzwe should have cheap power being close to Niagra fallsFeb 17 05:56
Ender2070_and so is the government which hires himFeb 17 05:56
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: not reallyFeb 17 05:56
Ender2070_and lets him get away with itFeb 17 05:56
Diablo-D3people arent in government long enough around here to change anythingFeb 17 05:56
Diablo-D3hes not even the comissioner anymoreFeb 17 05:56
DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8518438.stmFeb 17 05:57
DaemonFCuh oh :PFeb 17 05:57
Ender2070_that sounds like a seriously shitty state government you haveFeb 17 05:57
Diablo-D3not shittyFeb 17 05:57
Diablo-D3just extremely smallFeb 17 05:57
Ender2070_yes shittyFeb 17 05:57
Ender2070_it cant fix its own mistakesFeb 17 05:57
Diablo-D3maine has very little money.Feb 17 05:57
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: it cant be fixedFeb 17 05:57
Ender2070_its subject to corruption by single individualsFeb 17 05:57
Diablo-D3I mean, literally, it cant be fixedFeb 17 05:57
Ender2070_yes it fucking canFeb 17 05:57
Diablo-D3the nuclear power plant, for example, cant be switched back on.Feb 17 05:57
cubezzzhmmmFeb 17 05:58
Ender2070_whyFeb 17 05:58
cubezzzmoney I guessFeb 17 05:58
Diablo-D3its been off for too longFeb 17 05:58
Ender2070_so you start an effort for local power generation citing costsFeb 17 05:58
DaemonFCunfortunately, people get into office in Indiana and live thereFeb 17 05:58
Diablo-D3and it was permanently closed in conjunction with the federal nuclear peopleFeb 17 05:58
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: some already areFeb 17 05:58
DaemonFCnot the governor, just cause he's term limitedFeb 17 05:58
Diablo-D3and its not the state governmentFeb 17 05:58
Ender2070_help themFeb 17 05:58
cubezzzget some stimulus moola :)Feb 17 05:58
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: theres nothing to helpFeb 17 05:58
Ender2070_its not the state government?Feb 17 05:59
Diablo-D3many are already putting up wind turbinesFeb 17 05:59
DaemonFCcubezzz, Play money that was seized from the states to begin with?Feb 17 05:59
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 05:59
Ender2070_the federal government turned off your power plants?Feb 17 05:59
Diablo-D3nope, its local and federal combinedFeb 17 05:59
Ender2070_and made it illegal to turn them back on?Feb 17 05:59
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: I think you misunderstoodFeb 17 05:59
Diablo-D3the state isnt paying for green powerFeb 17 05:59
Diablo-D3Obama isFeb 17 05:59
Diablo-D3several communities in maine are building power generation stuff thats owned by the townsFeb 17 05:59
Ender2070_if you have a government that can't fix the problems of one person, its a problem governmentFeb 17 06:00
Diablo-D3so the maine PUC can't interfere and the silly canadians have to fuck off.Feb 17 06:00
cubezzzwe have a city PUCFeb 17 06:00
Diablo-D3cubezzz: larger ones doFeb 17 06:00
DaemonFCMaine, there's your problem :DFeb 17 06:00
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: theres nothing to fix.Feb 17 06:00
Ender2070_that attitude is keeping it that wayFeb 17 06:00
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: our largest power generator can never be turned on againFeb 17 06:00
Ender2070_replace itFeb 17 06:00
Diablo-D3replace it?Feb 17 06:00
cubezzzwell, I'm curious to know what this Canadian company is calledFeb 17 06:00
Ender2070_yesFeb 17 06:00
Diablo-D3dude it cant even be de-fueled for another 20 yearsFeb 17 06:00
Ender2070_its going to be there till the end of time?Feb 17 06:00
cubezzzno :)Feb 17 06:01
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: you dont know shit about nuclear power plants do you?Feb 17 06:01
Ender2070_they cant build another one?Feb 17 06:01
Ender2070_in another locationFeb 17 06:01
Diablo-D3Not like that, noFeb 17 06:01
Diablo-D3they dont make them that way anymoreFeb 17 06:01
Diablo-D3no one is building the large scale nuclear power plant designs from the 60sFeb 17 06:01
Diablo-D3and the federal government quit doing nuclear research since the 70sFeb 17 06:01
cubezzzthere was talk about building more Feb 17 06:02
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yesFeb 17 06:02
Ender2070_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANDU_reactorFeb 17 06:02
Diablo-D3obama finally got authorization for like three moreFeb 17 06:02
Diablo-D3but they're going out west where they absolutely need themFeb 17 06:02
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yes so what?Feb 17 06:02
Ender2070_buy them from usFeb 17 06:02
Ender2070_we build themFeb 17 06:02
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: um, no one is building shit that old anymoreFeb 17 06:02
Diablo-D3thats a very old and outdated designFeb 17 06:03
cubezzzwhat are they building now?Feb 17 06:03
Diablo-D3cubezzz: pebble reactors mostlyFeb 17 06:03
Ender2070_they're being made for china noobFeb 17 06:03
Ender2070_some are already thereFeb 17 06:03
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yes, and china lives in the pastFeb 17 06:03
Diablo-D3who cares about themFeb 17 06:03
Ender2070_even a 60's nuclear reactor > coalFeb 17 06:03
cubezzzdoes that wind turbine in pickering do anything? :)Feb 17 06:03
cubezzzI'm sure Pickering was updatedFeb 17 06:04
Diablo-D3cubezzz: its enough for them I assumeFeb 17 06:04
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: not reallyFeb 17 06:04
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: the old 60s designs are too easy to cause environmental damageFeb 17 06:04
Diablo-D3I'm really interested in a modern thorium pebble reactor Feb 17 06:04
cubezzzUS didn't buy any Candu I don't thinkFeb 17 06:05
Ender2070_well get them out thereFeb 17 06:05
Ender2070_i don't want to hear anything about your incompitent governmentFeb 17 06:05
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: uh, thats not up to the governmentFeb 17 06:05
Diablo-D3thats up to private enterprise.Feb 17 06:05
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_reactorFeb 17 06:05
Ender2070_they ruined it in the first placeFeb 17 06:05
Ender2070_they need to fix itFeb 17 06:05
cubezzzwhen did Maine start buying electrical power from Canada?Feb 17 06:06
cubezzzjust curiousFeb 17 06:06
Diablo-D3cubezzz: sometime in the past decade or soFeb 17 06:06
Diablo-D3its been awhileFeb 17 06:06
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KoebergFeb 17 06:07
Ender2070_well anywaysFeb 17 06:07
Ender2070_im on your side DiabloFeb 17 06:07
Diablo-D3anyhow modern pebble bed reactors are really smallFeb 17 06:07
Ender2070_estimates say Canada will run out of power in 5 yearsFeb 17 06:07
Ender2070_i want to cut the lines to the states tooFeb 17 06:07
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: which is impossibleFeb 17 06:07
Diablo-D3you cant run out of power.Feb 17 06:08
cubezzzeh? really Ender2070_?Feb 17 06:08
Ender2070_our grid will be overloadedFeb 17 06:08
Diablo-D3I love mass media scare tacticsFeb 17 06:08
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: then build more.Feb 17 06:08
Ender2070_like in 2003Feb 17 06:08
Diablo-D3or quit using the grid.Feb 17 06:08
cubezzzthat seems wrong to meFeb 17 06:08
Diablo-D3nation wide grids are outdated.Feb 17 06:08
Ender2070_Atomic Energy is in shamblesFeb 17 06:08
Ender2070_they are being bought outFeb 17 06:08
cubezzzby...?Feb 17 06:08
Ender2070_ In December 2009, the Canadian Federal Government announced that they would be seeking private investors for a partial sell-off of its CANDU divisionFeb 17 06:08
Ender2070_not sureFeb 17 06:09
Ender2070_CANDU technology is being sold offFeb 17 06:09
Diablo-D3btw, there are other things out thereFeb 17 06:09
Ender2070_niagra falls can only cover so muchFeb 17 06:09
cubezzzI think I'm on Nuclear power actuallyFeb 17 06:09
Diablo-D3any of the gen 4 nuclear techs are usefulFeb 17 06:09
cubezzzI'm close to PickeringFeb 17 06:09
Ender2070_we had a communist destroy our energy industryFeb 17 06:10
Diablo-D3I just dont particularly like the facilities that are hugeFeb 17 06:10
cubezzzthe Pickering plant was built in 1966Feb 17 06:11
Ender2070_instead of messing around with your old reactor thats impossible to use at this current time, could those pebble reactors be a solution?Feb 17 06:11
Ender2070_cubezzz - GTA is running off of niagra falls, hydroFeb 17 06:11
Ender2070_thats where the population is condensedFeb 17 06:11
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yesFeb 17 06:12
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: they can manufacture ones so small that they can be packed onto modified 18 wheelers and sent to their destinationFeb 17 06:12
Diablo-D3alaska has a few, for exampleFeb 17 06:12
Ender2070_hmmFeb 17 06:12
Ender2070_im interested in technlogies that could help people be self sustainingFeb 17 06:12
cubezzzPickering isn't even at full capacityFeb 17 06:12
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: I'd love to see if I could buy one actuallyFeb 17 06:13
Diablo-D3it probably costs millions thoughFeb 17 06:13
Ender2070_cubezzz - it didnt help the 2003 blackoutFeb 17 06:13
cubezzzyou could buy a Mars probe power supply :)Feb 17 06:13
cubezzzoh right, I remember thatFeb 17 06:13
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: I'd run it at full capacity all the time and sell the power back to bangor hydroFeb 17 06:14
cubezzz24 hour outrageFeb 17 06:14
cubezzzer, outtage :)Feb 17 06:14
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 06:14
Ender2070_sucked and I knew one asshole who ran his AC when he wasnt home tooFeb 17 06:14
cubezzzone t Feb 17 06:14
Ender2070_i was cursing his name as I couldn't use my gamecubeFeb 17 06:14
cubezzzlolFeb 17 06:14
cubezzzyou have your prioritiesFeb 17 06:15
Ender2070_i was safeFeb 17 06:15
cubezzzweren't people told not to run their A/C?Feb 17 06:15
Ender2070_nothing catastophic really happenedFeb 17 06:15
Ender2070_people were told to try and cut back on itFeb 17 06:15
Ender2070_when power came backFeb 17 06:16
cubezzzmy UPS only lasts about 45 minsFeb 17 06:16
Ender2070_i was in the middle of a game of zelda: windwakerFeb 17 06:16
Ender2070_no UPSFeb 17 06:16
Ender2070_:(Feb 17 06:16
cubezzzah, well they aren't too expensiveFeb 17 06:16
*Diablo-D3 has an ups thankfullyFeb 17 06:17
Ender2070_energy in brampton doesn't cut out all the timeFeb 17 06:17
Ender2070_haven't run into any issues myself yetFeb 17 06:17
cubezzzNuclear power only supplies 2.1% of the world's energyFeb 17 06:17
Ender2070_i find running a raid-z is cheaperFeb 17 06:18
cubezzzI bet I wouldn't need much to run an ARM based computerFeb 17 06:19
cubezzza small solar panel would probably be enoughFeb 17 06:19
Ender2070_check out this douche bagFeb 17 06:19
Ender2070_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_StrongFeb 17 06:19
cubezzzuh, he's got tons of awardsFeb 17 06:21
cubezzzI assume you are referring to the UN oil-for-food scandal?Feb 17 06:22
Ender2070_yeah, for ruining ontario hydroFeb 17 06:22
cubezzzoh yeah :)Feb 17 06:22
cubezzzhe did do thatFeb 17 06:22
Ender2070_yeah hes also a communist, put in by Trudeau another communistFeb 17 06:23
Ender2070_and guess where he lives now?Feb 17 06:23
Ender2070_People's Republic of ChinaFeb 17 06:23
cubezzzyesFeb 17 06:23
cubezzzweirdFeb 17 06:24
Ender2070_lester pearson basicly helped invent the UNFeb 17 06:24
Ender2070_another communist, helped get trudeau inFeb 17 06:24
cubezzz"due to criticism that he gave his stepdaughter a job at the UN contrary to UN staff regulations against hiring immediate family"Feb 17 06:24
Ender2070_trudeau, re-classified a list of confirmed communists in canadian politicsFeb 17 06:24
cubezzz"The United States produces the most nuclear energy, with nuclear power providing 19%[6] of the electricity it consumes"Feb 17 06:24
Ender2070_thats what I want to find out when im an old man when they declassify itFeb 17 06:25
Ender2070_unfortunately by then, brave new world will have set in and nobody will careFeb 17 06:25
cubezzzUS must use a huge amount of electricityFeb 17 06:25
Ender2070_yes it doesFeb 17 06:26
Ender2070_Las Vegas babyFeb 17 06:26
cubezzzeventually Australia has _no_ nuclear reactorsFeb 17 06:26
cubezzzer, evidently :)Feb 17 06:27
Diablo-D3aus also sucks a lot of ducksFeb 17 06:28
Diablo-D3so who caresFeb 17 06:28
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Ender2070_they didn't sign the treaty banning unmanned robotsFeb 17 06:30
Ender2070_remember terminator? aus is coming for you!Feb 17 06:30
Ender2070_ROFLFeb 17 06:32
Ender2070_"Now David Bruemmer and Douglas Few, both engineers at the US Department of Energy's Idaho National Lab in Idaho Falls, have modified a military robot so that it can be controlled by the Wiimote."Feb 17 06:32
Ender2070_http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726495.800-wii-and-iphone-to-help-military-control-freaks.html?haasFormId=f9768f0e-e55c-439a-b647-e3a56f64a4f7&haasPage=0Feb 17 06:32
DaemonFCEnder2070_, How's the time machines coming?Feb 17 06:32
DaemonFCI wouldn't mind going back to 1984Feb 17 06:33
Ender2070_DaemonFC - perfectFeb 17 06:33
Ender2070_theres a few bugs though actuallyFeb 17 06:33
Ender2070_only works going forwardFeb 17 06:33
Ender2070_and seconds at a timeFeb 17 06:33
DaemonFCsuch as re-materializing inverted?Feb 17 06:33
DaemonFCoh, okFeb 17 06:33
Ender2070_why 1984?Feb 17 06:34
DaemonFCEnder2070_, I even figured out how they could bring back those ray guns in the Terminator time travel rulesFeb 17 06:34
Ender2070_oh howFeb 17 06:34
Ender2070_i know howFeb 17 06:34
DaemonFCmake a bag of flesh and put the ray guns in itFeb 17 06:34
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 06:34
Ender2070_orFeb 17 06:34
Ender2070_send a weapon maker back in time, years ahead of when you need your own weaponsFeb 17 06:35
Ender2070_like in the Terminator TV showFeb 17 06:35
DaemonFCI still like my idea betterFeb 17 06:35
DaemonFCjust wrap them in fleshFeb 17 06:36
Ender2070_where are you gonna get a bag of fleshFeb 17 06:36
DaemonFCI'm sure Skynet could engineer flesh bags for weaponsFeb 17 06:36
DaemonFCit puts grown skin on the Terminators right?Feb 17 06:36
Ender2070_terminators skeletons and shit aren't as complex as the weapons thoughFeb 17 06:36
DaemonFCwell, it might workFeb 17 06:37
DaemonFCnever know until you tryFeb 17 06:37
Ender2070_they would've hid a weapon in the terminators stomache thenFeb 17 06:37
DaemonFCEnder2070_, They didFeb 17 06:37
Ender2070_noooFeb 17 06:37
DaemonFCthe T-X had flame thrower, plasma rifle, and moreFeb 17 06:37
DaemonFCbuilt-inFeb 17 06:37
Ender2070_in her armFeb 17 06:37
DaemonFCrightFeb 17 06:37
Ender2070_and it did follow your ideaFeb 17 06:38
Ender2070_but it was theirsFeb 17 06:38
DaemonFCmaybeFeb 17 06:38
Ender2070_the arm is surrounded by fleshFeb 17 06:38
DaemonFChow the hell did the fucking thing get through the time portal?Feb 17 06:38
DaemonFCit's not aliveFeb 17 06:38
DaemonFCthe T-800 has living fleshFeb 17 06:38
Ender2070_i dunnoFeb 17 06:38
Ender2070_what about the T-1000Feb 17 06:38
DaemonFCexactlyFeb 17 06:38
DaemonFCand why was the T-1000 naked?Feb 17 06:39
Ender2070_i think they wanted to trink their viewersFeb 17 06:39
Ender2070_most people who saw T1 thought arnold was still the bad guyFeb 17 06:39
Ender2070_trick*Feb 17 06:39
DaemonFCremember it had no clothes til it killed the police officer and mimicked his clothesFeb 17 06:39
DaemonFCyeahFeb 17 06:39
Ender2070_even when t1000 killed the cop, you didnt see him do itFeb 17 06:39
DaemonFCright, he might have stripped the dead cop naked and took his clothesFeb 17 06:40
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 06:40
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 06:40
Ender2070_looked like he punched him in the stomacheFeb 17 06:40
Ender2070_like a human wouldFeb 17 06:40
DaemonFChe probably used the stabber thingFeb 17 06:40
DaemonFCyepFeb 17 06:40
Ender2070_they didnt really show arnold as a good guy will he shot at the t1000Feb 17 06:41
Ender2070_looked like he was after ConnorFeb 17 06:41
Ender2070_untill he shot*Feb 17 06:41
DaemonFCyeah, for all you knew, the second guy could be the humanFeb 17 06:41
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 06:41
DaemonFCand there to protect himFeb 17 06:41
Ender2070_he also had more of a personality than arnold tooFeb 17 06:42
Ender2070_he talked to parents and people trying to find him, acting very much like a humanFeb 17 06:42
Diablo-D3and then he starred in xfiles.Feb 17 06:42
DaemonFCat first, but Arnold had his learning ability switched onFeb 17 06:42
DaemonFCand by the end he was more humanFeb 17 06:42
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: problem isFeb 17 06:42
Diablo-D3theres only two moviesFeb 17 06:42
Diablo-D3at the end of the second film, sarah conner lives to see the war never startFeb 17 06:42
Ender2070_4Feb 17 06:42
Diablo-D3nope, twoFeb 17 06:42
Diablo-D3the third and fourth movies never happen, and neither does the series.Feb 17 06:43
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 06:43
DaemonFCEnder2070_, You remember that a while after he had his learning ability flipped on, he even understood crying?Feb 17 06:43
Diablo-D3never. happened.Feb 17 06:43
Ender2070_then the 2nd movie makes no senseFeb 17 06:43
DaemonFCAt first he couldn't understand the conceptFeb 17 06:43
Ender2070_how did the first robot go back in time and give her that infoFeb 17 06:43
Ender2070_if she prevented itFeb 17 06:43
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: its a temporal paradox.Feb 17 06:43
Ender2070_the third movie showed that it would've happened regardlessFeb 17 06:43
Diablo-D3nope.Feb 17 06:43
Ender2070_thus, no paradoxFeb 17 06:43
Diablo-D3you can't retroactively change the ending of a better movie.Feb 17 06:44
Ender2070_the series undid the 3rd movie, ill give you thatFeb 17 06:44
Diablo-D3Ive never seen the seriesFeb 17 06:44
Diablo-D3nor the two movies that dont exist.Feb 17 06:44
DaemonFCthey used a grandfather paradox in making Reese the fatherFeb 17 06:44
Diablo-D3only 1 and 2 exist, and thats just the way it is.Feb 17 06:44
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 06:44
Ender2070_i like the seriesFeb 17 06:44
cubezzzyeah well it's all fictional :)Feb 17 06:44
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 06:44
Ender2070_the series has a smoking hot invincible robot chickFeb 17 06:45
cubezzzif there's anything like skynet it's a well kept secretFeb 17 06:45
cubezzzAI just doesn't really work very wellFeb 17 06:45
DaemonFCI think that if anything like Skynet happened, it would try not to be found outFeb 17 06:45
cubezzzhence the term "AI winter"Feb 17 06:45
Ender2070_I once thought of just leaving a message for a possible skynet to discoverFeb 17 06:46
Ender2070_'save us from these tyrants!'Feb 17 06:46
DaemonFCEnder2070_, You mean as in taking out the capital of every country?Feb 17 06:47
Ender2070_it was an idea I thought of yesFeb 17 06:48
Ender2070_probably better used for fictionFeb 17 06:48
cubezzzwe don't have sentient autonomous robots to worry aboutFeb 17 06:48
Ender2070_my theory was that any AI like skynet would be able to figure out humans werent dangerous at all, the people in charge of other humans areFeb 17 06:48
cubezzzjust greedy humansFeb 17 06:48
cubezzzwe have roombas :)Feb 17 06:49
cubezzzI'm not scared :)Feb 17 06:49
Ender2070_however I plan to write fiction based on this old idea i had from high school, lolFeb 17 06:49
Ender2070_sci-fiFeb 17 06:49
cubezzzit's more fiction than scienceFeb 17 06:50
DaemonFCI'd rather there be the outcome of human consciousness being downloaded into the nearly indestructible cyborgsFeb 17 06:50
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: apparently people didnt return for the 3rd and 4th filmsFeb 17 06:50
Diablo-D3so fuck itFeb 17 06:50
Diablo-D3its not even worth watching if arnold is the only one in itFeb 17 06:50
DaemonFCbut that assumes there's one for everyoneFeb 17 06:50
Ender2070_the 4th takes place during the warFeb 17 06:50
cubezzzwe have good chess players, not killer robots :)Feb 17 06:50
DaemonFCthe poor would probably live and die as humansFeb 17 06:50
Diablo-D3christian bale plays john connerFeb 17 06:51
Diablo-D3oh god do not wantFeb 17 06:51
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 06:51
Ender2070_i didnt want to see it eitherFeb 17 06:51
cubezzzthe first guy was pretty goodFeb 17 06:51
Ender2070_i wanted 10 years for the 3rd movieFeb 17 06:51
Ender2070_waited*Feb 17 06:51
Ender2070_i was disappointedFeb 17 06:51
Diablo-D3I didnt wait at allFeb 17 06:51
Diablo-D3seeing asFeb 17 06:51
Ender2070_there had to be a sequel, but it shouldn't have suckedFeb 17 06:51
Diablo-D32 ends the franchise.Feb 17 06:52
Ender2070_no it doesntFeb 17 06:52
Diablo-D3it doesFeb 17 06:52
cubezzzwe don't even have good Natural language processingFeb 17 06:52
Ender2070_if you have any grain of intelligence you'll realize the paradox requires a sequel to fix itFeb 17 06:52
Diablo-D3the war never starts, skynet doesnt happenFeb 17 06:52
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: noFeb 17 06:52
cubezzzskynet is just pie in the sky :)Feb 17 06:52
Ender2070_if skynet doesnt happen, she never gets attacked by robots, she lives her life as a waitress and never gives birth to john connorFeb 17 06:52
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: temporal paradoxes only happen when you realize that parallel universes do work fineFeb 17 06:52
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Diablo-D3the future with the war with the machines happens in a different parallel universeFeb 17 06:53
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Ender2070_oh, well yeah if you said it was a parellel universe i could agreeFeb 17 06:53
Diablo-D3the one the war never happens is forked off from the same past.Feb 17 06:53
cubezzzfor old or lazy people:Feb 17 06:53
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care-Providing_Robot_FRIENDFeb 17 06:53
Ender2070_i can agree with thatFeb 17 06:53
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: problem is, our vantage point is that oF T2Feb 17 06:53
Ender2070_but then you'll have to accept that a parellel universe makes t3 and t4 possibleFeb 17 06:53
Ender2070_:PFeb 17 06:53
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: nopeFeb 17 06:54
Ender2070_yesFeb 17 06:54
Diablo-D3T3 goes on from T2Feb 17 06:54
Ender2070_soFeb 17 06:54
DaemonFChmmm, so it wasn't just a time machine, they just didn't realize that they were also in a parallel universe?Feb 17 06:54
DaemonFCsweetFeb 17 06:54
cubezzzeven if skynet became sentient it would need robots to functionFeb 17 06:54
Diablo-D3T3 has to start from a timeline that there was no time travel yetFeb 17 06:54
Ender2070_a parellell universe where it happens anywaysFeb 17 06:54
Ender2070_perallel*Feb 17 06:54
Ender2070_par*Feb 17 06:54
cubezzzso how does skynet build anything? :)Feb 17 06:54
Diablo-D3the events of T1 and T2 cant have happened yetFeb 17 06:54
DaemonFCcubezzz, The US military built it everything it neededFeb 17 06:55
DaemonFCremember?Feb 17 06:55
cubezzzwas the first arnold terminator sentient?Feb 17 06:55
Ender2070_if you watched T2, you'll also remember that having the terminator chip salvaged from the first robot sped things upFeb 17 06:55
DaemonFCcubezzz, It never had its learning ability turned onFeb 17 06:55
DaemonFCit was just a robot that could roughly emulate human behaviorFeb 17 06:55
cubezzzanother paradoxFeb 17 06:56
cubezzzwhere does the chip really come from? Feb 17 06:56
Diablo-D3cubezzz: the first terminator wasnt arnoldFeb 17 06:56
Ender2070_the chip was the brain of the first robotFeb 17 06:56
DaemonFCThe Terminator that came to our universe in 1984Feb 17 06:56
Diablo-D3it was just some shitty Wall-E with gunsFeb 17 06:56
DaemonFCit caused Skynet to come about here tooFeb 17 06:56
cubezzzah, rightFeb 17 06:56
cubezzzdo they go into how skynet controls the robots?Feb 17 06:57
DaemonFCremember that guy saying they never would have thought about how to make a CPU that advanced without reverse engineering that one?Feb 17 06:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 06:57
Diablo-D3cubezzz: it hacks all the computers in the worldFeb 17 06:57
Diablo-D3so, basically, skynet is a cloud applicationFeb 17 06:57
DaemonFCcubezzz, Skynet was the computer virus that they were tracking spread all over the internet Feb 17 06:57
Ender2070_thats in T3Feb 17 06:58
cubezzzoh okFeb 17 06:58
Ender2070_think about this thoughFeb 17 06:58
DaemonFCapparently something about it still needed humans to grant it more access before it could take over military equipmentFeb 17 06:58
Ender2070_in T1 a robot had to have gone back in timeFeb 17 06:58
Diablo-D3yeah, T3 botches that upFeb 17 06:58
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: well its like thisFeb 17 06:58
Diablo-D3you have three timelinesFeb 17 06:58
cubezzzthe interesting part to me would be how skynet gets to sentienceFeb 17 06:58
Diablo-D3in timeline one: cyberdine creates skynet, skynet cant win, sends arnold back in timeFeb 17 06:59
DaemonFCyou could just resolve that by saying this happens across three universesFeb 17 06:59
Ender2070_if they stopped skynet in t2, causation would still cause the original skynet to exist that sent the first robot backFeb 17 06:59
DaemonFCthat we have seen Feb 17 06:59
Diablo-D3timeline two: T1 arrives in the past, fails, T2 arrives in the past, resistance winsFeb 17 06:59
Diablo-D3s/three/two/Feb 17 06:59
Diablo-D3T3 cant happen because it starts in timeline twoFeb 17 06:59
Diablo-D3it has to have happened in timeline oneFeb 17 06:59
DaemonFCright, they reprogrammed the T-800 in T2, and they reprogrammed a T-850 in T3Feb 17 06:59
Diablo-D3the events of T3 cause a third timeline, but it spawns from timeline oneFeb 17 07:00
DaemonFCthe T-850 was different in that it was powered by two hydrogen fuel cellsFeb 17 07:00
Diablo-D3which means nobody in T3 can know the events of T1 and T2.Feb 17 07:00
DaemonFCbut he did reference events from T-2Feb 17 07:00
cubezzzwhen was skynet supposed to have become sentient?Feb 17 07:00
DaemonFCcubezzz, August 22,1997 in the first timelineFeb 17 07:00
DaemonFCand it nuked us a week laterFeb 17 07:00
cubezzzha, rather optimisticFeb 17 07:01
cubezzzin 1997 we really had win95 :)Feb 17 07:01
Ender2070_i think it was 1997 in the second timelineFeb 17 07:01
DaemonFCcubezzz, It was turned on on the 13th, so it took 9 days to become self awareFeb 17 07:01
cubezzzwhich was pretty scary though :)Feb 17 07:01
DaemonFCand 7 days to decide it didn't like usFeb 17 07:01
cubezzzyeah that part is very far fetchedFeb 17 07:01
DaemonFCcubezzz, It has access to all of our information through the internet and the ability to process it right awayFeb 17 07:02
DaemonFCit could probably "judge" us in 2-3 seconds nowFeb 17 07:02
cubezzzbut I guess in 1984 they figured we would have AI in 1997Feb 17 07:02
cubezzzor somethingFeb 17 07:02
DaemonFCcubezzz, Military tech is always 20 years ahead of what you see nowFeb 17 07:03
DaemonFCremember thatFeb 17 07:03
Diablo-D3wellFeb 17 07:03
Diablo-D3dates are always wrongFeb 17 07:03
Diablo-D3always add 50 years to anything said in somethingFeb 17 07:03
Ender2070_how does John get born thenFeb 17 07:04
cubezzzanother example: Space 1999Feb 17 07:04
Ender2070_his dad was from a future that no longer existsFeb 17 07:04
cubezzzwe aren't anywhere near a base on the moonFeb 17 07:04
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: thats the problemFeb 17 07:04
Diablo-D3in timeline one, he never doesFeb 17 07:04
Diablo-D3in timeline two, he doesFeb 17 07:04
Ender2070_well he helped in timeline twoFeb 17 07:05
DaemonFCcubezzz, The Eugenics Wars in 1997 from which Khan is produced, in Star Trek: TOSFeb 17 07:05
cubezzzhehFeb 17 07:05
Ender2070_he had to have existedFeb 17 07:05
Diablo-D3in timeline three, he doesnt, but somehow he existsFeb 17 07:05
Diablo-D3timeline three contains t3, 4, and the tv showFeb 17 07:05
DaemonFCthe cryosleep they were in on the "Botany Bay"Feb 17 07:05
Ender2070_noFeb 17 07:05
cubezzz2001: A Space OdesseyFeb 17 07:05
Ender2070_the tv show is its ownFeb 17 07:05
Ender2070_it undoes t3Feb 17 07:05
cubezzzoops, wrong again :)Feb 17 07:05
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: it undoes it in the sense that it actually goes and undoes itFeb 17 07:05
Ender2070_they go back in time and save sarah before she dies of cancer in t3Feb 17 07:05
cubezzzit's more than 50 years wrong, more like 150Feb 17 07:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Listening to Sirithunga Jaisurya speaking about conflict in Srilanka in a south asian perspectiveFeb 17 07:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Sirithunga's speach was enlightening. Srilanka's problems are persistent as ever.Feb 17 07:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Gamini Viyengoda talks on threat to freedom of expression and democracy in south asia.Feb 17 07:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 PV Satheesh on corporate invasion on food and agricultural commons. Interesting in the light of BT brinjal.Feb 17 07:06
DaemonFCcubezzz, I'd just put the date as so far in the future that nobody watching the show could possibly be aliveFeb 17 07:06
Diablo-D3the show says "t3 exists and now we changed the timeline"Feb 17 07:06
Ender2070_they completely change the events, as if T3 didnt occurFeb 17 07:06
Diablo-D3so yes, T3 does happenFeb 17 07:06
Diablo-D3it just spawns another timeline to make it not happenFeb 17 07:06
Ender2070_well yeahFeb 17 07:06
Diablo-D3so during the show you create a fourth.Feb 17 07:06
Ender2070_im having a hard time with your logicFeb 17 07:06
cubezzzStar Trek may never happenFeb 17 07:06
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: its basic temporal mechanicsFeb 17 07:06
Ender2070_im not familiar with thisFeb 17 07:06
Diablo-D3you can go back and undo something, but you cant undo something before you've presented it to the viewerFeb 17 07:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: #ViBGYOR2010 Interesting speech. Bringing out how green revolution killed the diversity in our farms.Feb 17 07:07
Diablo-D3so T2 undoes the entire warFeb 17 07:07
Ender2070_im only vaguely familiar with parellel universe theoryFeb 17 07:07
Diablo-D3T3 cant happen because it wasn't presented to the viewer firstFeb 17 07:07
cubezzzit's more like retroactive continuityFeb 17 07:07
Ender2070_i've heard one exampleFeb 17 07:07
Diablo-D3cubezzz: well, except we have actual time travelFeb 17 07:07
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/world/europe/17france.htmlFeb 17 07:07
cubezzzand things are whatever the writer saysFeb 17 07:07
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: watch back to the future.Feb 17 07:07
Ender2070_you CAN go back in time and kill your grandparents, because once you do you're in a parellel universeFeb 17 07:07
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yupFeb 17 07:07
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: but the war never happens Feb 17 07:08
Diablo-D3so skynet cant go back and keep fucking with shitFeb 17 07:08
Ender2070_and the universe where they are still alive is still there but you're not in itFeb 17 07:08
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: btw "yes"Feb 17 07:08
cubezzzso it the Terminator series, it's parallel universes then?Feb 17 07:08
Diablo-D3you're not in it because you leftFeb 17 07:08
Ender2070_yesFeb 17 07:08
Diablo-D3cubezzz: multiple caused by time travelFeb 17 07:08
Diablo-D3cubezzz: they all start from one, and it starts forkingFeb 17 07:08
cubezzzahaFeb 17 07:08
Diablo-D3cubezzz: all of them start at a time period before the terminator appears in 1984.Feb 17 07:09
cubezzzwell, as a computer person I knew we wouldn't have skynet in 1997 :)Feb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3all of them start at that period.Feb 17 07:09
Ender2070_many worlds theory is included in this too right?Feb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3in timeline 1, arnold doesnt appear because he wasnt sent back in time yetFeb 17 07:09
Ender2070_every decision spawns its own timelineFeb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3the present continuesFeb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: every MAJOR decisionFeb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: and that requires other thingsFeb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3and doesnt effect thisFeb 17 07:09
Diablo-D3it just means we have collections of parallel timelines instead of just a handfulFeb 17 07:10
Diablo-D3but they all move the same wayFeb 17 07:10
cubezzzaccept, where does all the matter and energy come from? :)Feb 17 07:10
cubezzzfor the extra universesFeb 17 07:10
Ender2070_yeah i was listening to someone talk about this on a "conspiracy" radio station I listen toFeb 17 07:10
cubezzzexceptFeb 17 07:10
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 07:10
Diablo-D3cubezzz: so, listen to thisFeb 17 07:10
Ender2070_Anthony PeakeFeb 17 07:10
Diablo-D3timeline 1) arnold doesnt appear, john isnt born, sarah doesnt go nuts, and in her old age skynet almost winsFeb 17 07:11
cubezzzskynet never wins, because then you would have no more sequels :)Feb 17 07:11
Ender2070_also I do recall the blackboard discussion from doc brown regarding the "tangent" they createdFeb 17 07:11
Diablo-D3timeline 2) arnold appears, john is born, sarah goes nuts, and in her old age skynet doesnt happenFeb 17 07:11
Diablo-D3timeline 3) MAGIC BULLSHIT, and somehow timeline 2 happens yet skynet still happensFeb 17 07:12
Diablo-D3even though we see sarah see judgement day come and pass with nothing happeneing.Feb 17 07:12
Ender2070_wait you missed oneFeb 17 07:12
cubezzzok, in addition to the computer becoming sentient, you have the problem of time travel Feb 17 07:12
Diablo-D3problem is theres a plot hole that timeline 1 cant happenFeb 17 07:12
cubezzzwho invents the time machine in the first place? :)Feb 17 07:12
Diablo-D3er, 2 cant happenFeb 17 07:12
Diablo-D3cubezzz: probably skynetFeb 17 07:13
Diablo-D32 cant happen because theres no reason to know john conner could have existedFeb 17 07:13
cubezzztime travel is just a plot deviceFeb 17 07:13
Diablo-D3so the terminator films never happened to begin with and skynet wins by default.Feb 17 07:13
Diablo-D3yes, its just a plot deviceFeb 17 07:13
Diablo-D3so you can bullshit it once to get the ball rollingFeb 17 07:13
Ender2070_a deus ex machinaFeb 17 07:13
Diablo-D3but T3 bullshits it againFeb 17 07:13
Diablo-D3so you end up with a third timeline that forks off in the middle of the second oneFeb 17 07:14
cubezzzI'll just pull a time machine out of my ass .... :-)Feb 17 07:14
Diablo-D3where T1 and T2 happen, but T2's ending is rewritten to make T3 continueFeb 17 07:14
Diablo-D3and the TV show does all sorts of weird shitFeb 17 07:14
Diablo-D3Im trying to follow the plot here, but what the hellFeb 17 07:14
Diablo-D3you have a T-1000 fighting against skynetFeb 17 07:15
cubezzzI'll say _forward_ time travel is possible, not backFeb 17 07:15
Ender2070_the tv show seems to start off with T2's endingFeb 17 07:15
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: except it cantFeb 17 07:15
cubezzzfreeze a guy, wake him up in 100 yearsFeb 17 07:15
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: theres only two people who actually know the future happenedFeb 17 07:15
cubezzzbiological time travelFeb 17 07:15
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: or rather, didnt happenFeb 17 07:15
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: everyone else is dead.Feb 17 07:15
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: the terminators were never sent back in time to stop john conner because they were never inventedFeb 17 07:15
Ender2070_they play on the assumption that skynet would have come into existance at a later dateFeb 17 07:15
cubezzzTime Cop was another movie full of holesFeb 17 07:15
Diablo-D3which means john conner was never bornFeb 17 07:16
Diablo-D3which means skynet winsFeb 17 07:16
Diablo-D3since john conner cant be born since john's father is never sent back in timeFeb 17 07:16
Ender2070_well im sure the writers dont know anything about what you've been educating me withFeb 17 07:16
cubezzzis there going to be another sequel?Feb 17 07:16
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: its basic logicFeb 17 07:16
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: john's father has to be sent back in time for a reasonFeb 17 07:16
Diablo-D3he wasnt sent back in time to stop skynetFeb 17 07:17
Ender2070_he was sent back in time to save sarahFeb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3exactlyFeb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3who was a nobodyFeb 17 07:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] F13 has been branched ;-). Now you can build and push your packages for F13Feb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3since the resistence never happenedFeb 17 07:17
Ender2070_noFeb 17 07:17
Ender2070_the resistence did happenFeb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3nope, john wasnt bornFeb 17 07:17
Ender2070_he told her about how they kicked skynets assFeb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: thats the problemFeb 17 07:17
Ender2070_her son helped himFeb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3john conner helped themFeb 17 07:17
Diablo-D3who was never bornFeb 17 07:17
Ender2070_theres a plot holeFeb 17 07:18
Diablo-D3because he was never sent back in time to be his fatherFeb 17 07:18
Ender2070_in the first placeFeb 17 07:18
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: yesFeb 17 07:18
Diablo-D3and its fixed very easily if he tried to stop skynetFeb 17 07:18
Diablo-D3instead of protect sarahFeb 17 07:18
Ender2070_trueFeb 17 07:18
Diablo-D3sarah was a nobody because john was never born because he was never sent back in time because they never met john because he was never born Feb 17 07:18
cubezzzT2 was a few years into the future too wasn't it?Feb 17 07:19
Ender2070_i understand that partFeb 17 07:19
cubezzz1991 -> 1995Feb 17 07:19
Diablo-D3if he was sent back in time to stop skynetFeb 17 07:19
Diablo-D3then he just happens to meet sarah randomly and fuck her brains outFeb 17 07:19
Ender2070_yeah i know where you're going with that logicFeb 17 07:19
Diablo-D3which means the terminator can actually be legitimately sent to kill sarahFeb 17 07:19
Ender2070_however thats not how they wrote the storyFeb 17 07:19
Diablo-D3nope, because they suck at temporal mechanicsFeb 17 07:20
Ender2070_yesFeb 17 07:20
Diablo-D3but it doesnt let T3 happenFeb 17 07:20
Ender2070_it was the 80'sFeb 17 07:20
Diablo-D3dudeFeb 17 07:20
Diablo-D3they were doing perfectly fine time travel stories in the 40sFeb 17 07:20
Ender2070_oh thats not what i meantFeb 17 07:20
Ender2070_you ever notice that nothing out of the 80's made sense?Feb 17 07:20
cubezzzlike Culture Club? :)Feb 17 07:21
Ender2070_i dunnoFeb 17 07:21
Ender2070_i saw rambo fly a tank into a helicopterFeb 17 07:21
cubezzzI lived the 80's :)Feb 17 07:21
Ender2070_rambo also had a wound, he poured gunpowder in it and set it on fire to stop the bleedingFeb 17 07:21
Ender2070_come onFeb 17 07:21
Ender2070_not to mention Heavy MetalFeb 17 07:21
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: the 80s were fun that wayFeb 17 07:22
cubezzzRambo ;-)Feb 17 07:22
Ender2070_yes :DFeb 17 07:22
cubezzzyeah I didn't take Rambo seriously :)Feb 17 07:22
Ender2070_fun but not always logicalFeb 17 07:22
Ender2070_this is an interesting topic though, recommend any books on it?Feb 17 07:22
Diablo-D3ntwFeb 17 07:22
Diablo-D3due to really fucked up time fuckeryFeb 17 07:23
cubezzzwell evidently the 4th film was the worst?Feb 17 07:23
Diablo-D3skynet will be open for business april 21st 2011Feb 17 07:23
Ender2070_Christian BaleFeb 17 07:23
Diablo-D3and probably wont happen Feb 17 07:23
Diablo-D3since christian bale is too busy being the fucking batmanFeb 17 07:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] When do we get to web 2.1? and more to the point WTF is in web 2.1 that we don't already have? Curious minds want to know.Feb 17 07:24
cubezzzH. G. Wells’ The Time Machine was a good storyFeb 17 07:24
Ender2070_batman is the type of character that anyone can play well, so its not like people know he sucksFeb 17 07:24
cubezzzbut once again, implausibleFeb 17 07:24
Ender2070_i saw Christian Bales other movie that suckedFeb 17 07:25
cubezzzeven A Christmas Carol could be considered to be a time travel story, that actually could workFeb 17 07:25
cubezzzthey go back in time as phantoms that can't change the pastFeb 17 07:25
Ender2070_jesus fucking christFeb 17 07:25
Ender2070_hes listed for T5Feb 17 07:25
cubezzzand go into a _possible_ futureFeb 17 07:25
cubezzzHawking once suggested that the absence of tourists from the future constitutes an argument against the existence of time travelFeb 17 07:26
cubezzzso no Ahh-nold :)Feb 17 07:26
Ender2070_they should at least pull an asimov and say that each movie exists within its own parellel universeFeb 17 07:26
Ender2070_Equilibrium - bad movie, bad christian baleFeb 17 07:27
Ender2070_err, not asimovFeb 17 07:27
Ender2070_Arther C ClarkeFeb 17 07:27
DaemonFCEnder2070_, The one with the drugs to suppress emotions?Feb 17 07:28
DaemonFCI'd take themFeb 17 07:28
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 07:28
Ender2070_its called paxilFeb 17 07:28
DaemonFCbeen on itFeb 17 07:28
Ender2070_you haven't killed youself yet?Feb 17 07:28
DaemonFCnoFeb 17 07:28
DaemonFCthat would be most illogicalFeb 17 07:28
DaemonFC;)Feb 17 07:28
DaemonFCEnder2070_, I wish there was a pill that did that because I would like to be able to make a good assessment of situations, unhindered by emotionFeb 17 07:29
DaemonFCnot giving a damn would make me a more objective observer of my life :DFeb 17 07:30
DaemonFCEnder2070_, I'm on LithiumFeb 17 07:31
DaemonFCactuallyFeb 17 07:31
Ender2070_the same "Lithium is a soft, silver-white metal that belongs to the alkali metal group of chemical elements."Feb 17 07:31
DaemonFChave been on Lithium for about three yearsFeb 17 07:31
Ender2070_?Feb 17 07:32
DaemonFCI guess that would be the oneFeb 17 07:32
DaemonFCLithium Carbonate, 300 mg, take two pills, twice per dayFeb 17 07:32
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 07:32
Ender2070_doesnt sound very safeFeb 17 07:32
DaemonFCsafer than not taking them :)Feb 17 07:33
DaemonFCEnder2070_, How does an "armed escort" to go see the doctor sound?Feb 17 07:34
Ender2070_stop threatening peopleFeb 17 07:34
Ender2070_LOLFeb 17 07:34
DaemonFCnot threatening anyoneFeb 17 07:34
DaemonFCthreatening means you didn't do anythingFeb 17 07:34
Ender2070_ok, stop assaulting peopleFeb 17 07:34
DaemonFCthat's better, thank youFeb 17 07:35
Ender2070_if someone required I have an armed escort, i might want to do that before injecting myself with metalsFeb 17 07:35
DaemonFCEnder2070_, The first time was when I got into a fight with my step-dadFeb 17 07:35
DaemonFChe pulled a knife on me, I got it away from him, and stabbed him through the hand with itFeb 17 07:36
DaemonFCthat's the first timeFeb 17 07:36
Ender2070_self defenseFeb 17 07:36
Ender2070_understandableFeb 17 07:36
DaemonFCthe second time was when he came home drunk and thought he'd pick a fight with meFeb 17 07:37
DaemonFCI didn't live there at the time, I was just over thereFeb 17 07:37
Ender2070_perhaps he needs the lithiumFeb 17 07:37
DaemonFChe took a swing at me, missed and hit the wall, and broke three fingersFeb 17 07:37
DaemonFCwell, my mom didn't want him to go to prison so she just told the police I was a mental patient againFeb 17 07:38
DaemonFCand off I wentFeb 17 07:38
DaemonFCerr, jailFeb 17 07:38
DaemonFCwhateverFeb 17 07:38
Ender2070_yeah it doesnt sound like you need itFeb 17 07:39
Ender2070_they doFeb 17 07:39
DaemonFCthird time, my ex left and I went to go lay on the railroad tracks about 200 feet over from my houseFeb 17 07:39
DaemonFCand the police saw me do it, and took me to the mental health centerFeb 17 07:39
DaemonFChoorayFeb 17 07:39
DaemonFCoh, the doctor tried putting me on Abilify tooFeb 17 07:40
DaemonFCmakes you feel like you've had about 8 shots of whiskey at all times and are about ready to fall overFeb 17 07:41
DaemonFCcan't drive, can't walk, can't even sit or lay downFeb 17 07:41
DaemonFCthe world keeps spinning even if you close your eyesFeb 17 07:41
DaemonFCtook myself off of thatFeb 17 07:41
DaemonFCEnder2070_, His kids are always in jailFeb 17 07:42
DaemonFCdrugs mostlyFeb 17 07:42
Ender2070_yeahFeb 17 07:42
DaemonFCone of them is in right now for meth labFeb 17 07:42
Ender2070_you should escape to Canada and live a happy lifeFeb 17 07:42
DaemonFChis daughter's husband blew his car up while it was moving by lighting a cigarette next to meth lab suppliesFeb 17 07:43
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 07:43
Ender2070_without everyone trying to kill you, stress will go downFeb 17 07:43
Ender2070_you'll be able to function without medsFeb 17 07:43
DaemonFChe's in prison until 2020, up for parole in 2017Feb 17 07:43
Ender2070_roflFeb 17 07:43
DaemonFChad 2nd degree burnsFeb 17 07:44
DaemonFChad to bail out and roll down the street while his car was busy crashing into a streetlight Feb 17 07:44
DaemonFCI was reading a story about it the next day and kept saying "No way, no fucking way!!!"Feb 17 07:45
Ender2070_lolFeb 17 07:46
DaemonFChttp://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090610/NEWS/906100348Feb 17 07:47
DaemonFCA man suspected of operating a mobile methamphetamine lab was charged after the vehicle caught fire and crashed Monday evening in Huntington.Feb 17 07:47
DaemonFCShawn M. Burnworth, 32, of Huntington was driving when a passenger compartment caught fire, according to an Indiana State Police report. Burnworth jumped out of the car as it continued west on Etna Street, striking a light pole.Feb 17 07:47
DaemonFCMaterials used to produce methamphetamine were found in the vehicle, according to the report, and Burnworth was later arrested at St. Joseph Hospital and charged with operating a mobile meth lab. Feb 17 07:47
Ender2070_Diablo-D3 - Just as 2010: Odyssey Two was not a direct sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey, so this book is not a linear sequel to 2010. They must all be considered as variations on the same theme, involving many of the same characters and situations, but not necessarily happening in the same universe.Feb 17 07:48
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: except thats by designFeb 17 07:48
Diablo-D3each of the four novels exist in a different universe.Feb 17 07:48
Diablo-D3they're not parallel to each otherFeb 17 07:49
Ender2070_trueFeb 17 07:49
Ender2070_however you might expect it if you don't research the authorFeb 17 07:49
DaemonFChttp://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=447164Feb 17 07:49
DaemonFChttp://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090609/LOCAL07/906099864/1043/LOCAL07Feb 17 07:50
Diablo-D3if you dont notice it between 2001 and 2010, you will between 2050 and 3001Feb 17 07:50
Ender2070_2061Feb 17 07:50
Diablo-D3whatever the third book isFeb 17 07:50
DaemonFCEnder2070_, You can actually get thrown in prison for buying too many cold pillsFeb 17 07:51
DaemonFCand the sentence is almost as bad as making methFeb 17 07:51
cubezzzthere was a Time Odessey too I thinkFeb 17 07:51
cubezzzaliens wanted to exterminate all life or somethingFeb 17 07:52
DaemonFCthere was a guy not long ago that was charged with buying to much Sudafed when his entire family had colds and needed someFeb 17 07:52
cubezzzah, too much Sudafed :)Feb 17 07:52
Diablo-D3cubezzz: dude, thats just dr who.Feb 17 07:54
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Time_OdysseyFeb 17 07:56
cubezzz"In the Time Odyssey series, not-so-benevolent godlike aliens start an endless mission to regulate the development of sentient life in the Universe, in order to prevent all other species from harnessing too much of its energy, which would only accelerate the inevitable entropic death of the Universe, thus rendering sentient life impossible at the end of the universe. Consequently, these "Firstborn" are destroying other intelligent species."Feb 17 07:56
cubezzzstill stars burn out on their ownFeb 17 07:57
cubezzzmight be worth a read thoughFeb 17 07:58
DaemonFCUbuntu One stores your backus on an Amazon server in the USAFeb 17 08:07
DaemonFCso much for privacyFeb 17 08:07
Ender2070_http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/John_HenryFeb 17 08:10
DaemonFCthat TJ's Chicken sub was good, but it's not agreeing with meFeb 17 08:16
DaemonFCI may have to throw my coat on and go to the drug store :PFeb 17 08:16
cubezzz"In its infancy as a humble chess program, John Henry also displayed humor and boredom, as well as curiosity and child-like joy."Feb 17 08:26
cubezzzsee, that's not the reality of itFeb 17 08:26
cubezzzthere are chess programs, largely they are just shuffling numbersFeb 17 08:27
cubezzzthe rest is just anthropomorphizingFeb 17 08:27
cubezzza chess program feels no elation over winning, or sorrow over losingFeb 17 08:28
cubezzzyour John Henry as a sentient computer is simply fictionFeb 17 08:28
cubezzzif you could get a computer to do what a human baby does... then you would have somethingFeb 17 08:29
Ender2070_ummFeb 17 08:30
Ender2070_terminator isn't based on any real life eventsFeb 17 08:30
schestowitz[03:10] <DaemonFC> Just as well NASA is being killed off by ObamaFeb 17 08:30
schestowitzYou man, BushFeb 17 08:30
schestowitzIt's not Obama to increase and almos doubled the deficit for Cheney and his GangFeb 17 08:31
DaemonFCObama is a major enemy of the space programFeb 17 08:31
DaemonFCseems to be a pattern with DemsFeb 17 08:31
DaemonFCless space program, more welfare programsFeb 17 08:31
cubezzzright, it's fictional, my point :)Feb 17 08:31
cubezzzthere is no AIFeb 17 08:32
cubezzztry writing a program to _learn_ how to play chess sometimeFeb 17 08:33
cubezzzit's all driven by human programmersFeb 17 08:33
cubezzzthe machine doesn't learn anythingFeb 17 08:33
cubezzzit's never been done as far as I know...Feb 17 08:35
cubezzzall chess programs are the sameFeb 17 08:35
cubezzzthe human programmer writes it, not the machineFeb 17 08:36
cubezzzall the machine does is execute the instructions written by the programmerFeb 17 08:36
cubezzzthus stories like Terminator are ridiculous Feb 17 08:36
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why does Novell list Mandriva as using AppArmorFeb 17 08:38
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 17 08:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: where?Feb 17 08:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/ApparmorFeb 17 08:42
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schestowitzIs it still maintained (the web page)?Feb 17 08:44
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/purpose-mono-reliance/#commentsFeb 17 08:50
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schestowitz"Correction, Roy. I'm now an Ubuntu (9.10) user. The Mac has been retired, though I continue to appreciate Apple's design aesthetic (and, yes, continue to believe both that OO.org must significantly improve and that it is chasing a 21st Century computing experience)."Feb 17 08:50
oiaohmhttp://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/technews/32664/when-windows-can-mean-life-or-deathFeb 17 08:50
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Ender2070_Diablo-D3 - The episodes "The Turk", "Queen's Gambit", and "Dungeons & Dragons" suggest that after the death of Dr. Miles Bennett Dyson and the decline of the Cyberdyne Corporation, Andrew Goode, a young intern of the company and assistant to Dyson, would continue their project privately under an advance artificial intelligence chess playing prototype, The Turk, with Goode's partner, Dimitri Shipkov.Feb 17 08:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, Ubuntu can be made to look like a MacFeb 17 08:52
DaemonFCI've seen it doneFeb 17 08:52
oiaohmAll Linux's can be made look like a Mac.Feb 17 08:53
oiaohmproblem is it don't act like a macFeb 17 08:53
oiaohmSome areas graphical configuration tools of Linux still need a lot of work.Feb 17 08:53
DaemonFChttp://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5686/screenshotpd.pngFeb 17 08:54
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DaemonFCfrom the other day, was playing aroundFeb 17 08:54
oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/  Boy lots of phonesFeb 17 08:57
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DaemonFCI got some cinnamon tea, wonder if it's any goodFeb 17 09:07
Ender2070_http://dailyreckoning.com/greece-to-make-all-large-cash-transactions-illegal/Feb 17 09:08
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DaemonFCEnder2070_, Nazi stormtroopers are your friends, don't run. :)Feb 17 09:10
Ender2070_http://www.cfr.org/publication/21374/carbon_markets_march_on.html?breadcrumb=/issue/17/energyenvironmentFeb 17 09:16
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Ender2070_carbon markets are such a scamFeb 17 09:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LMAO : http://www.dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=84Feb 17 09:17
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Ender2070_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250905/45-shops-bribe-cervical-cancer-jab.htmlFeb 17 09:18
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Law Abiding Citizen, good movie so farFeb 17 09:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just realised that I moved Mumbuntu from a Compaq _evo_ to an Acer _revo_. I should blog this stuff :)Feb 17 09:36
DaemonFCjesus christ!!!! Awesome Movie!!!!!Feb 17 09:48
DaemonFCjudge just got her head blown off by her cell phone, LOLFeb 17 09:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Comes vs #Microsoft Case Shows How Microsoft Actively Attacked http://ur1.ca/mk2d #Innovation #antitrust #netpc #appleFeb 17 09:57
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cubezzzis it possible to set the wm so that a newly launched program doesn't automatically grab focus?Feb 17 10:20
cubezzzOEMs, Intel and M$ colluding to keep prices high <- yesFeb 17 10:21
cubezzzindeed, that's why I'm looking for ARM based devicesFeb 17 10:22
cubezzzuh, typo :)Feb 17 10:24
cubezzz"–U.S. District fudge Stanley Sporkin"Feb 17 10:24
cubezzzI'm pretty sure you mean District judge there :)Feb 17 10:24
oiaohmhttp://durian.blender.org/news/community-modeling-sprint/  The longer this blender movie is going the more interesting its getting.Feb 17 10:28
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oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/RIM-switching-to-open-source-WebKit-932717.html  One less render engine for sites to worry about.Feb 17 10:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #Phone 7 Falls on Its Face and #Microsoft Still Wants #Patent Royalties on #Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/mk57Feb 17 10:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament points to the high cost of the patent system for SMEs, and the threat of litigation of patent trolls: http://i5.be/aulFeb 17 10:47
DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-02-17-stimulus-funds_N.htmFeb 17 10:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: 'Mumbuntu - a computer for my mum' http://bit.ly/9wnvHS - first of many posts on this topic.Feb 17 10:52
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DaemonFC"[Obama's] cuts are minuscule compared to his spending.. it's like focusing on your penny jar as a means to save while maxing out your credit cards."Feb 17 10:52
DaemonFCI like thatFeb 17 10:52
DaemonFChehFeb 17 10:52
DaemonFCthe piggy bank is definitely an anachronism though. Use debit and credit and you don't get change.Feb 17 10:55
DaemonFCMust be causing an awful lot of unemployment in the piggy bank manufacturing sectorFeb 17 10:56
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 10:56
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/16/AR2010021605762.html?hpid=moreheadlinesFeb 17 10:57
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DaemonFCEvent: A massive cyber attack has turned the cellphones and computers of tens of millions of Americans into weapons to shut down the Internet.Feb 17 10:58
DaemonFCAny guesses what software they're running?Feb 17 10:58
DaemonFCYes, enough people have been convinced that they need a Windows PC that this could conceivably happenFeb 17 10:59
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DaemonFCI need to take a cold shower with my clothes onFeb 17 11:27
schestowitz"Feb 17 11:37
schestowitzEller was in ACT, the advanced consumer technology group,Feb 17 11:37
schestowitzwhich Myhrvold had recently set up. Gates had decided to makeFeb 17 11:38
schestowitzMicrosoft the first software company with an internal division fullyFeb 17 11:38
schestowitz"Feb 17 11:38
schestowitzHeh. ANother ACT.Feb 17 11:38
*DaemonFC murders the Gracenote people for tagging some of my music Nu-MetalFeb 17 11:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Icahn Takes Next Step in #Microsoft ’s Proxy Battle, IE8 Demotes #Google http://ur1.ca/mk8a it's like watching gangstersFeb 17 11:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Icahn Takes Next Step in Microsofts Proxy Battle, IE8 Demotes Google | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.55 KBFeb 17 11:54
cubezzzok, lynx can't do javasriptFeb 17 11:54
DaemonFCrightFeb 17 11:54
cubezzzthat's why I can't use my router with lynxFeb 17 11:54
DaemonFCpoint coming?Feb 17 11:54
cubezzz^^^Feb 17 11:54
cubezzzthe router software uses tons of javasciptFeb 17 11:55
cubezzzjavascriptFeb 17 11:55
DaemonFCyeah, Linksys does itFeb 17 11:55
DaemonFCI try to keep my stuff going until it won't power on anymoreFeb 17 11:55
cubezzzthat means I have to use XFeb 17 11:56
DaemonFCI still had a 802.11b router until last yearFeb 17 11:56
cubezzzunless there's some other lynx like browser that can understand javascriptFeb 17 11:56
DaemonFCswear it had better range than the 802.11g router I have nowFeb 17 11:56
cubezzzslower speed might have better rangeFeb 17 11:57
DaemonFChttp://www.illwillpress.com/MOTIVATE22.htmlFeb 17 11:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MOTIVATIONAL POSTERS :: illwillpress.com .::. Size~: 1.57 KBFeb 17 11:58
DaemonFCI think I've done everything I never wanted to do in life besides scrubbing toilets and flipping burgersFeb 17 11:59
DaemonFCif it ever comes to that, they'll find my lifeless corpse hanging by my beltFeb 17 12:00
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 12:00
cubezzzelinks might workFeb 17 12:04
cubezzzheh, a colour coded makeFeb 17 12:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Why do I bother... really... *sigh*. Dumb fucks.Feb 17 12:08
DaemonFCthat was out of contextFeb 17 12:08
cubezzzyeah that really added a lot :-/Feb 17 12:11
cubezzzok, one major advantage with using lynx or links, I can surf slashdot a lot faster and no adsFeb 17 12:12
cubezzzin this case, no javascript is a plusFeb 17 12:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "A Clean Slate" (another mumbuntu post) http://bit.ly/bdeismFeb 17 12:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Clean Slate | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 24.06 KBFeb 17 12:16
schestowitz"Want to get someone off IE6? Put these 11 characters into the address bar and hit enter: ms-its:%F0:. The browser will instantly crash. Better yet, set it as their homepage. " http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/-want-to-get-someone.arsFeb 17 12:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Want to get someone off IE6? Put these 11 characters into the address bar and hit enter: ms-its:%F0:. The browser will instantly crash. Better yet, set it as their homepage. .::. Size~: 22.47 KBFeb 17 12:35
cubezzzhehFeb 17 12:35
cubezzzuh, I mean to say "IE6, what is that?"Feb 17 12:36
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Feb 17 12:36
schestowitz> Feb 17 12:36
schestowitz> Here's a competitor to the others:Feb 17 12:36
schestowitz> Feb 17 12:36
schestowitz> http://www.cuil.com/info/webmaster_info/Feb 17 12:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Cuil - Webmaster Info .::. Size~: 5.97 KBFeb 17 12:36
schestowitz> Feb 17 12:36
schestowitz> If you submit BN links there, perhaps they will get indexed.Feb 17 12:36
DaemonFCDoesn't work on IE 6 SP3Feb 17 12:36
cubezzzyou're still using doze??? Nelson says "HA HA"Feb 17 12:37
cubezzzthat's the stupid part, IE whatever could be the worst shit imaginable but people would still use itFeb 17 12:38
DaemonFCcubezzz, The replies say it doesn't work on IE 6 SP3Feb 17 12:40
DaemonFCI don't have IE 6Feb 17 12:40
cubezzzso you're not on doze then?Feb 17 12:41
DaemonFCnot on this systemFeb 17 12:41
cubezzzuh huhFeb 17 12:42
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200807-201002Feb 17 12:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share .::. Size~: 10.22 KBFeb 17 12:43
DaemonFCJuly 2008 to nowFeb 17 12:44
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DaemonFCIE very briefly had a small surge when IE 8 came out, but then it kept falling Feb 17 12:44
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVNQUnjrnsUFeb 17 12:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Aliens (2007) .::. Size~: 113.43 KBFeb 17 12:46
DaemonFCAliens as produced on a Canadian budgetFeb 17 12:47
DaemonFClulzFeb 17 12:47
cubezzzIE and Firefox are convergingFeb 17 12:47
cubezzzactually that is encouragingFeb 17 12:48
cubezzzFF has nearly a third of the marketFeb 17 12:48
DaemonFCGoogle is spamming the shit out of ChromeFeb 17 12:49
DaemonFCthat's part of the reason IE is going down faster latelyFeb 17 12:50
DaemonFCChrome by itself managed to bite off a few percent of IE over the last few monthsFeb 17 12:51
cubezzzJava ME is the 4th most popular OSFeb 17 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Response to a poor defense of #Microsoft ’s immoral and sometimes illegal behaviour http://ur1.ca/mkbf #ubuntu #taxFeb 17 12:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nobody is Born a Microsoft Employee | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 99.4 KBFeb 17 12:55
cubezzzwhy is everyone still saying Linux is at 1% market share?Feb 17 12:57
cubezzzit's got to be higher than thatFeb 17 12:57
schestowitzHmmmmmmmmm.... :-( http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1389Feb 17 13:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE SC 4.4: A Worthy (though not perfect) Upgrade .::. Size~: 38.45 KBFeb 17 13:02
cubezzzdamned OEMsFeb 17 13:02
schestowitzcubezzz: who sez that??Feb 17 13:02
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_ShareFeb 17 13:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNU/Linux Market Share - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 19.29 KBFeb 17 13:03
cubezzzWikipedia and everywhereFeb 17 13:03
schestowitzOh yeah... and Iraq has WoMDs...Feb 17 13:03
schestowitzI saw it in many papers, so it's jus true.Feb 17 13:03
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Market_share_and_uptakeFeb 17 13:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 264.17 KBFeb 17 13:03
DaemonFCcubezzz, Because they've ALL been bribed of courseFeb 17 13:03
DaemonFConly explanation ;)Feb 17 13:03
cubezzzwell, I can't comment Feb 17 13:03
cubezzzother than to express my disappointmentFeb 17 13:04
schestowitzI used to be cited in this article, I thinkFeb 17 13:04
schestowitzEither way, it's AstroTurfedFeb 17 13:04
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systemsFeb 17 13:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 90.69 KBFeb 17 13:04
cubezzzthere's no way it's 1%Feb 17 13:04
DaemonFC Linux (1.04%)Feb 17 13:04
schestowitzGroklaw does not echo this lie, eitherFeb 17 13:04
cubezzzyeah, that's what it says, median of various sources tooFeb 17 13:04
schestowitzEven Gangstr Group (Microsoft's shill) says Linux has 4% market shareFeb 17 13:04
DaemonFCWhat lie to they echo?Feb 17 13:05
schestowitzOr 3%Feb 17 13:05
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 13:05
DaemonFC*doFeb 17 13:05
schestowitzA year or so ago... maybe 2Feb 17 13:05
schestowitzcubezzz: median of many sources on Iraw also said there are WoMDFeb 17 13:05
cubezzzmy tv's linux, my computers are all linux, my router is Linux, my PDA is linuxFeb 17 13:05
schestowitzThose sources are US-oreintedFeb 17 13:05
schestowitzRich countriesFeb 17 13:05
schestowitzThose that supply logsFeb 17 13:05
schestowitzNot sites like BN where half the people use LinuxFeb 17 13:05
cubezzzI'm about as Linuxy as you can getFeb 17 13:05
schestowitzThese are invisible to "stats"Feb 17 13:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, Well, you know that yours would be heavily biasedFeb 17 13:06
schestowitzAnother thing is, they frame the debate as "desktop"Feb 17 13:06
DaemonFCWho else would go there?Feb 17 13:06
schestowitzThey try to judge something that makes them look goodFeb 17 13:06
schestowitzIt's the Analysts Lie 101Feb 17 13:06
cubezzzmarket share, it says "Market Share" not desktopFeb 17 13:06
schestowitzYesFeb 17 13:06
schestowitzPart of the deceptionFeb 17 13:06
schestowitzIn server they measure revenueFeb 17 13:07
schestowitzOn purposeFeb 17 13:07
cubezzzoh sorry, wikipedia does in fact say DesktopFeb 17 13:07
schestowitzIt's designed to deceive/glorifyFeb 17 13:07
cubezzzyeahFeb 17 13:07
schestowitzDon't waste time on itFeb 17 13:07
cubezzzwell, that's because of the stupid OEMsFeb 17 13:07
schestowitzThe deployments of Linux are well recordedFeb 17 13:07
schestowitzAnd the figures, tooFeb 17 13:07
cubezzzstupid and gutlessFeb 17 13:07
schestowitzNot treueFeb 17 13:07
cubezzzschestowitz, what would you figure the real market share of linux is, everything included?Feb 17 13:08
schestowitzIn China and Brazil, many OEMs sell with LinuxFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzMaybe over 50%, iircFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzYou'd be  surprisedFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzIn South America in particularFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzIn Russian it's just unpaid-for WindowsFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzI.e. zero profit to the VoleFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzElse they go to Linux preinstallsFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzKDE4 improves a lotFeb 17 13:08
cubezzzI'm seriously considering selling computers againFeb 17 13:08
schestowitzSo people can't justify paying for Win32 to run Firefox and ConfickerFeb 17 13:09
schestowitzcubezzz: OEMs doFeb 17 13:09
schestowitzHP, Dell..Feb 17 13:09
schestowitzSub-notebooks with Android/LinuxFeb 17 13:09
schestowitzIt's already happeningFeb 17 13:09
schestowitzMaybe it doesn't qualify as "Desktop" yetFeb 17 13:09
schestowitzWho cares...Feb 17 13:09
cubezzzI have Dell's Feb 2010 catalogFeb 17 13:09
cubezzzit's all dozeFeb 17 13:09
MinceRandroid is too dumb for the desktop :>Feb 17 13:10
cubezzzdell.ca/febcatFeb 17 13:10
cubezzzhttp://dell.ca/febcatFeb 17 13:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two modern computer games (WoW and CS) running under #GNU #Linux even at the same time on multiple screens http://ur1.ca/mkdtFeb 17 13:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Demo of Dual-head Dual-game GNU/Linux Machine | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.02 KBFeb 17 13:12
schestowitzLinux not good for gamers, eh?Feb 17 13:12
schestowitzcubezzz: Dell EuropeFeb 17 13:12
schestowitzNot English-speaking nationsFeb 17 13:12
cubezzzI never said Linux was not good for gamers :)Feb 17 13:13
schestowitz:-)Feb 17 13:13
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43213Feb 17 13:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Linux Box to Market Ubuntu to U.S. Enterprise Users | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 30.1 KBFeb 17 13:14
cubezzzI played my fair share of gamesFeb 17 13:14
schestowitz"Launched in October 2004, Ubuntu is one of the most highly regarded Linux distributions in the world with more than 10 million users."Feb 17 13:14
schestowitzFedora claims 20 million installationsFeb 17 13:14
schestowitzBut Debian is hugeFeb 17 13:14
schestowitzIn places like BrazilFeb 17 13:15
cubezzzDell.ca sells one laptop with UbuntuFeb 17 13:17
cubezzzpfffftFeb 17 13:17
schestowitzhttp://blog.canonical.com/?p=330Feb 17 13:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Canonical Blog  » Blog Archive   » Ubuntu single sign on service launched .::. Size~: 12.49 KBFeb 17 13:17
cubezzzway to go Dell, you gave those Microsoft guys what for :-/Feb 17 13:17
schestowitzcubezzz: that's OKFeb 17 13:17
schestowitzBetter than some other countriesFeb 17 13:17
schestowitzhttp://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015131o-114626b,00.htmFeb 17 13:18
schestowitz"Freeform Dynamics's new survey "of 1,275 IT professionals from the UK, USA, and other geographies" has just been published. Two-thirds of respondents said that cutting costs was a prime mover behind their decisions to switch to Linux on the desktop but that user acceptance was a key consideration in the decision to do so."Feb 17 13:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 112.66 KBFeb 17 13:18
cubezzzI should write a little script to check ebay for "arm cpu"Feb 17 13:19
schestowitzHahahahaha. This dude compared imaginary features with ones that are coming soon: http://linuxtree.blogspot.com/2010/02/5-new-things-about-windows-8-and-ubuntu.htmlFeb 17 13:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 5 New Things about Windows 8 and Ubuntu 10.04 | LinuxTree .::. Size~: 136.16 KBFeb 17 13:19
schestowitzVapourware!!Feb 17 13:20
cubezzzduh, where can I order windows 8?Feb 17 13:21
oiaohmFunny part is the Vapourware of Windows 8 features could be in Linux by end of year.Feb 17 13:21
oiaohmIncluding compressed hibernate.Feb 17 13:21
cubezzzwell, it's an up and coming Ubuntu as wellFeb 17 13:22
schestowitzyesFeb 17 13:22
cubezzzso future vs futureFeb 17 13:22
schestowitzThis is a "useful idiot" typeFeb 17 13:22
schestowitzHe means well for Linux, but he promotes Microsoft liesFeb 17 13:22
schestowitzVista will have WInFS..... :-)Feb 17 13:22
schestowitzSorry, I mean, LonghornFeb 17 13:23
schestowitzOut in October 2003 with WinFSFeb 17 13:23
cubezzzLonghorn! Don't get gored! ;-)Feb 17 13:23
oiaohm10.04 has an active alphaFeb 17 13:23
oiaohmSo you can really see what is there.Feb 17 13:24
cubezzzwow, there is _one_ ARM laptop on ebay:Feb 17 13:25
cubezzzhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-Laptop-7-Inch-Screen-w-400MHz-ARM-Core-Processor_W0QQitemZ220553805813QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item335a07fff5Feb 17 13:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mini Laptop 7 Inch Screen w/ 400MHz ARM Core Processor - eBay (item 220553805813 end time  Mar-10-10 18:08:59 PST) .::. Size~: 115.04 KBFeb 17 13:25
oiaohmProblem is the data of release of windows 8 most of the mirgrations to windows 7 will not be done by then.Feb 17 13:25
cubezzz7 inch screen :-/Feb 17 13:26
cubezzzthere's a couple of netwalkers tooFeb 17 13:26
cubezzzDoze 8, the doziest windows yetFeb 17 13:27
schestowitzhttp://royal.pingdom.com/2010/02/16/study-ages-of-social-network-users/Feb 17 13:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Study: Ages of social network users | Royal Pingdom .::. Size~: 48.31 KBFeb 17 13:28
schestowitzcubezzz: ebay does rss now?Feb 17 13:28
schestowitzI struggled to find a way to do this in 2004Feb 17 13:28
schestowitzAnd I tried a lot and wrote about it tooFeb 17 13:28
schestowitzIt's hard to track auctions with rss unless they have sorted this outFeb 17 13:29
cubezzzlol, I'm in the largest groupFeb 17 13:29
cubezzzummmFeb 17 13:29
cubezzzyes, they do actuallyFeb 17 13:30
cubezzzalso I can use elinks and work without javascriptFeb 17 13:33
cubezzzso writing something shouldn't be difficultFeb 17 13:33
schestowitzVapourware versus reality (or Microsoft lies versus Linux)Feb 17 13:36
schestowitzTypical...Feb 17 13:36
oiaohmCatch is it not even great vapourwareFeb 17 13:38
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4NwFeb 17 13:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Nouveau Interface Breaks, Updates Needed .::. Size~: 15.88 KBFeb 17 13:42
schestowitzoiaohm: it's Vista 7 with some mockupFeb 17 13:42
schestowitzLike Vista 7 being Vista with a new deskbarFeb 17 13:42
schestowitzBigger and potentially more obnoxiousFeb 17 13:42
zoobab/win 69Feb 17 13:43
schestowitzhttp://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_incredible_life_of_scott_kveton_linux_firefox.phpFeb 17 13:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Incredible Story of Scott Kveton: Linux, Firefox, Bacon & iPhones .::. Size~: 68.32 KBFeb 17 13:46
schestowitzzoobab: Windows Valentine's EditionFeb 17 13:47
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schestowitz*LOL*Feb 17 14:13
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/1944235/Ask-Matt-Asay-About-Ubuntu-and-CanonicalFeb 17 14:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | Ask Matt Asay About Ubuntu and Canonical .::. Size~: 154.7 KBFeb 17 14:13
schestowitzThey treat him like a celebrityFeb 17 14:13
schestowitzHe doesn't code anythingFeb 17 14:13
schestowitzSOme time ago he was voted one of the most influential in FOSS, by some former Microsoft employees!!Feb 17 14:13
schestowitzMove over, RMS...Feb 17 14:14
MinceR"(Disclaimer: Matt is on the board of advisors for Slashdot's parent company, Geeknet.)"Feb 17 14:14
MinceRthat's why they treat him like a celebrityFeb 17 14:14
MinceRgeeknet is completely corruptedFeb 17 14:14
DaemonFC"And remember kids, it's Windows, where you're only ever safe until next time..." -MeFeb 17 14:15
schestowitzThey hired some ex-MicrosoftersFeb 17 14:15
schestowitzOhlohFeb 17 14:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, I used to bash Ubuntu for having some really unsafe defaults, but that's becoming less and less the caseFeb 17 14:16
schestowitzWhat da fork?????/ http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/02/16/1548213/64-Bit-Flash-Player-For-Linux-Finally-In-AlphaFeb 17 14:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Linux Story | 64-Bit Flash Player For Linux Finally In Alpha .::. Size~: 137.01 KBFeb 17 14:16
schestowitzit's old old old newsFeb 17 14:16
DaemonFCI still do wish they'd flip the firewall on, even though there is nothing by default that's listening on any portsFeb 17 14:17
MinceRthey're getting worse defaults nowFeb 17 14:17
MinceRmono, bingo, google docsFeb 17 14:17
MinceRand a COO who's advertising crApple and ripping off FLOSS projectsFeb 17 14:17
DaemonFCMinceR, Mono's not extremely dangerous from a system security standpoint, unless you install MoonlightFeb 17 14:18
DaemonFCwhich is not the defaultFeb 17 14:18
MinceRthere's not only securityFeb 17 14:18
DaemonFCGoogle Docs is as safe as that can be, I'd be more worried about privacy and lock-inFeb 17 14:18
DaemonFCI don't figure Yahell is going to make them a lot of money since Linux users probably aren't the crowd that is most receptive to search adsFeb 17 14:19
MinceRas safe as you think sharing private and internal work documents with google and governments all over the world is, that isFeb 17 14:19
DaemonFCI'd expect it to cost Microsoft way more to serve the ads than they'll make selling chocolate covered dildos through themFeb 17 14:19
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 14:19
MinceR(and whoever manages to break into google's systems)Feb 17 14:19
MinceRdildos are lefty's business, aren't they?Feb 17 14:20
DaemonFCor whatever search ads sell, I've blocked them for some timeFeb 17 14:20
DaemonFCMinceR, Wait til some company gets busted by the feds and the evidence in court was their google docs stuffFeb 17 14:21
DaemonFCthat's going to be awesomeFeb 17 14:21
MinceR:>Feb 17 14:21
DaemonFCI'd treat the Google Docs stuff as if it was a public billboard (I wouldn't use it)Feb 17 14:22
MinceRand the way they're warming up to m$, installing moonlight by default (and making the patent deals for it with m$) doesn't seem so far offFeb 17 14:22
DaemonFCsame with online backup like Ubuntu OneFeb 17 14:22
MinceRand presto, you'll have novell2Feb 17 14:22
DaemonFCMinceR, They turned down a Novell-like deal once beforeFeb 17 14:23
DaemonFCvery publicly Feb 17 14:23
MinceRhow long ago?Feb 17 14:23
DaemonFC2007Feb 17 14:23
MinceRthat was long agoFeb 17 14:23
schestowitzOBambi hires AstroTurfers http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592164/obama-social-notworking-guruFeb 17 14:23
DaemonFCShuttleworth says they'd do it againFeb 17 14:23
MinceRiirc they started the mono push since thenFeb 17 14:23
oiaohmLook at the maintainers.Feb 17 14:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Obama wants a social notworking guru - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 70.07 KBFeb 17 14:23
DaemonFCthat remark is from this yearFeb 17 14:23
MinceRnow they have mono, bingo, and asayFeb 17 14:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: since 2007 5 major maintainers on ubuntu are linked to NovelFeb 17 14:24
DaemonFCMinceR, Destroying Suse is one thing because Suse sucks and is unusable Feb 17 14:24
DaemonFCDestroying Ubuntu would piss me offFeb 17 14:24
MinceRthat isn't my main problem with suseFeb 17 14:24
MinceRnovell isFeb 17 14:24
MinceRand the patent racket/FUD campaignFeb 17 14:25
schestowitzoiaohm: which ones?Feb 17 14:25
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MinceRif suse sucks (which it always did), i just avoid using itFeb 17 14:25
MinceRbut the patent FUD does harm the platform i'm usingFeb 17 14:25
oiaohmMostly the one maintaining .net packages.  schestowitzFeb 17 14:25
DaemonFCWho knows? I think Canonical would be foolish to sign such an agreement. 1. Look where it got Novell. and 2. Ubuntu would earn some serious hate.Feb 17 14:25
oiaohmFor Ubuntu.Feb 17 14:26
MinceRnovell was foolish to do so, yet they didFeb 17 14:26
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592173/skype-verizon-deal-confirmedFeb 17 14:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Skype and verizon deal is confirmed - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 60.92 KBFeb 17 14:26
DaemonFCYou really think Matt Asay is going to sweet talk Canonical into some Microsoft patent deal?Feb 17 14:26
schestowitzNopeFeb 17 14:26
MinceRi'm afraid it's possiblyFeb 17 14:26
MinceRs/y$/e/Feb 17 14:26
oiaohmNo DaemonFCFeb 17 14:26
MinceRwell, not necessarily asayFeb 17 14:26
MinceRthere are other factors besides that clownFeb 17 14:27
oiaohmI see something different.Feb 17 14:27
oiaohmMatt Assy will allow .net to infect more.Feb 17 14:27
oiaohmThen end of next year MS can drop the patent wall on them.Feb 17 14:27
DaemonFCI still don't get why many large companies with lots of lawyers don't flinch at shipping Mono if it really is so badFeb 17 14:27
DaemonFCyou'd think they'd clear something like that with their legal dept firstFeb 17 14:28
MinceRapparently they didn'tFeb 17 14:28
schestowitzhttp://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2257832/top-worst-apple-productsFeb 17 14:28
MinceRm$ does everything they can to make the legal situation about mono-related patents as unclear as possibleFeb 17 14:29
oiaohmIntel and other companies do DaemonFCFeb 17 14:29
MinceRthey're doing so publiclyFeb 17 14:29
MinceRyet we see canonical pushing monoFeb 17 14:29
MinceRif their legal department didn't warn them about this, when exactly will they do so?Feb 17 14:29
schestowitzGroklae criticised them for itFeb 17 14:30
schestowitzExplicitly, several timesFeb 17 14:30
oiaohmTake moonlight from novel.  Intel will not touch it.Feb 17 14:30
schestowitzPJ said she can't forgive their legal department for ignoring the issueFeb 17 14:30
oiaohmDue to legal issues.Feb 17 14:30
oiaohmSame applies to moon.Feb 17 14:30
oiaohmMonoFeb 17 14:30
oiaohmWhat is canonicals home country.Feb 17 14:31
oiaohmThat is important.Feb 17 14:31
oiaohmSoftware patents don't apply there.Feb 17 14:31
Ender2070_microsoft did release the community promise the day after RMS warned against itFeb 17 14:31
Ender2070_seriously, it reeks of comes vs microsoftFeb 17 14:32
MinceRthey can be still barred from distributing their products in several important marketsFeb 17 14:32
Ender2070_like with officeFeb 17 14:32
oiaohmCanonical legal department point of view.  If they don't get attacked over it they can ship it.Feb 17 14:33
Ender2070_http://www.thestar.com/business/article/741912--court-upholds-toronto-company-with-us290m-ruling-against-microsoftFeb 17 14:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Court upholds Toronto company with $US290M ruling against Microsoft - thestar.com .::. Size~: 57.37 KBFeb 17 14:33
oiaohmWhen they get attacked then they will deal with it.Feb 17 14:33
Ender2070_f u msFeb 17 14:34
oiaohmThis is a very dangous way to play the game.Feb 17 14:34
Ender2070_"The ruling also includes an injunction, set to go into effect Jan. 11, that would prevent the sale of at least some versions of Microsoft's popular Word word processing software."Feb 17 14:34
Ender2070_so yes MinceR, it can be doneFeb 17 14:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Click Next Next Next Finish" http://bit.ly/ardEQx - more Mumbuntu fun!Feb 17 14:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Click Next Next Next Finish | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 27.54 KBFeb 17 14:38
DaemonFChttp://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2257832/top-worst-apple-productsFeb 17 14:40
MinceRall of themFeb 17 14:41
MinceRexcept maybe OpenCL and FireWireFeb 17 14:41
DaemonFCFirewire is deadFeb 17 14:42
Ender2070_USB3 nubFeb 17 14:42
Ender2070_of courseFeb 17 14:42
Ender2070_Where is Firewire3? Feb 17 14:43
MinceRUSB isn't peer-to-peerFeb 17 14:43
MinceRand it really wastes power on the hostFeb 17 14:43
Ender2070_peer to peer you use a lan cableFeb 17 14:43
MinceRif your peripherals use ethernet, that isFeb 17 14:43
MinceRethernet is not usbFeb 17 14:43
DaemonFCit can beFeb 17 14:44
DaemonFC:)Feb 17 14:44
Ender2070_every pc worth its salt has a lan card in itFeb 17 14:44
MinceRnot every peripheral does, thoughFeb 17 14:44
MinceRexternal HDDs with ethernet are ridiculously expensive :>Feb 17 14:44
Ender2070_oh for that you have usb3Feb 17 14:44
MinceRso what? even with usb3, the host must keep polling devicesFeb 17 14:44
Ender2070_its already been supported in linux for a whileFeb 17 14:44
DaemonFCif you want to use Firewire 800 on Windows, you need Windows 7Feb 17 14:45
DaemonFCotherwise it will revert to 400Feb 17 14:46
DaemonFCunless you get special drivers somewhere elseFeb 17 14:46
MinceRif you want to use windows, it's your faultFeb 17 14:46
MinceR:>Feb 17 14:46
DaemonFCI don't even know if I have Firewire on this system, I did on my last one and never used itFeb 17 14:47
DaemonFCI found it odd that I did because nothing actually seems to use itFeb 17 14:47
Ender2070_correct sirsFeb 17 14:47
DaemonFCDo Apple things even use it?Feb 17 14:48
Ender2070_they switched to usb a while agoFeb 17 14:48
DaemonFCheh, overglorified PCs to the core :PFeb 17 14:48
MinceRcrApple is leaving it behindFeb 17 14:49
MinceRthat doesn't mean it's bad technologyFeb 17 14:49
Ender2070_"With speeds of 4.8 Gbit/s (600 MB/s), and a powering system which intelligently cuts the juice when you're not using a device, we have a feeling you'll want. "Feb 17 14:49
DaemonFCWell, they use standard everything except they have EFI and something in the EFI to tell OS X it can bootFeb 17 14:49
DaemonFCand other than that they're jsut an x86 PC with a pretty case, right?Feb 17 14:49
Ender2070_http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/green-house-delivers-usb-3-0-friendly-pci-express-interface-card/Feb 17 14:50
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MinceRyes, all they used EFI for was to make it incompatible with real PCsFeb 17 14:52
MinceRto some degreeFeb 17 14:52
MinceRand their cases are rarely prettyFeb 17 14:52
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DaemonFCMinceR, You can get real PCs with EFI nowFeb 17 14:57
MinceRdo i want to?Feb 17 14:57
DaemonFCI don't see any advantage to it, it's not like it will be less buggyFeb 17 14:58
MinceRall they have is a more complicated bootloaderFeb 17 14:58
DaemonFCBIOS bugs are at least well known and easily worked aroundFeb 17 14:58
oiaohmEFI does come into its own when 4 TB drives start becoming common.Feb 17 14:58
MinceRi'd rather build a smarter bootloader into a ROM-based quick-boot gnu/linux system :>Feb 17 14:59
Diablo-D3man usb 3 took too longFeb 17 14:59
MinceRkexec() and stuffFeb 17 14:59
Diablo-D3Ive been able to do speeds faster than that on firewire for at least a couple yearsFeb 17 14:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Released MilaX 0.5, an OpenSolaris-based mini-distribution which runs completely off a CD or a USB pendrive. http://tinyurl.com/ya6zrzlFeb 17 15:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 110.21 KBFeb 17 15:04
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Maine gets revenge on stupid drivers http://ur1.ca/mklbFeb 17 15:07
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Ender2070_every play red alert 3 Diablo-D3?Feb 17 15:16
Ender2070_ever*Feb 17 15:16
Diablo-D3no.Feb 17 15:16
Ender2070_The plot is cool. "The game is set in a parallel universe in which World War II never happened—in the original Red Alert, Albert Einstein travelled back in time and removed Hitler in the 1920s. After an Allied victory in Red Alert 2, the Soviet leaders travelled back in time and removed Albert Einstein in 1927, preventing the Allies from creating atomic weapons while the Soviet Union rose to power, battling the Allies Feb 17 15:16
Diablo-D3last c&c game I played was ra1Feb 17 15:16
Ender2070_in the 1950s."Feb 17 15:16
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: noFeb 17 15:16
Diablo-D3thats the RA plot altogetherFeb 17 15:16
Ender2070_read t he last partFeb 17 15:16
Diablo-D3you actually get to see einstien kill hitler in RA1Feb 17 15:16
Ender2070_yesFeb 17 15:16
Ender2070_ra3 is a parellel universeFeb 17 15:16
Diablo-D3ra3 is in the ra universe, yes.Feb 17 15:17
Ender2070_the soviets go back in time and get rid of EinsteinFeb 17 15:17
Diablo-D3ohFeb 17 15:17
Diablo-D3thats stupidFeb 17 15:17
Diablo-D3also, the game sucksFeb 17 15:17
Diablo-D3everything after and including c&c2 is shitFeb 17 15:17
Ender2070_noooFeb 17 15:17
Diablo-D3boring uninspired shitFeb 17 15:17
Ender2070_c&c4 might be goodFeb 17 15:18
Diablo-D3doubt itFeb 17 15:18
Diablo-D3EA is retardedFeb 17 15:18
Diablo-D3they destroyed maxisFeb 17 15:18
Diablo-D3they killed originFeb 17 15:18
Diablo-D3and I believe EA also owns the homeworld rights nowFeb 17 15:18
Diablo-D3so no more homeworldFeb 17 15:18
DaemonFChttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592421/microsoft-security-patch-flaw-plugged-hackersFeb 17 15:19
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DaemonFCAll Red Alert games are alternate universeFeb 17 15:19
DaemonFCOrigin and Maxis used to put out good stuffFeb 17 15:20
DaemonFCEA bought them to destroy them, not bring in talentFeb 17 15:20
DaemonFCsame happened to Westwood StudiosFeb 17 15:21
DaemonFChttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532862/ancient-flaw-hits-vistaFeb 17 15:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Ancient flaw hits vista - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 70.61 KBFeb 17 15:22
Ender2070_well they certainly could have done betterFeb 17 15:22
Ender2070_i think the games themselves are okayFeb 17 15:22
DaemonFCthat went back to 1999?Feb 17 15:23
MinceRniceFeb 17 15:23
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Ender2070_im sure the real westwood staff would have made some new enginesFeb 17 15:23
Ender2070_they just kept taking stuff on top of westwood's emporer  battle for dune engineFeb 17 15:23
Diablo-D3yeah, and westwood is deadFeb 17 15:23
Diablo-D3ra1 was the last real westwood c&c gameFeb 17 15:24
Diablo-D3ea destroys everything they touchFeb 17 15:24
MinceRjust like m$ and eidosFeb 17 15:24
Diablo-D3tomb raidwho?Feb 17 15:24
Ender2070_no tiberian sun and emporer battle for dune wereFeb 17 15:24
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: no, c&c2 was produced by an EAfied westwoodFeb 17 15:25
Diablo-D3and battle for dune kind of sucked.Feb 17 15:25
MinceRwell, the tomb raider series have always sucked massivelyFeb 17 15:25
Ender2070_it was still the same staffFeb 17 15:25
Diablo-D3MinceR: I enjoed the first one honestly.Feb 17 15:25
Ender2070_and emporer was much better than dune2Feb 17 15:25
MinceRbut you can see what coming into contact with eidos did to John RomeroFeb 17 15:25
Diablo-D3dude, dune2 is a fucking classicFeb 17 15:25
Ender2070_dune2000 is betterFeb 17 15:25
MinceRthe only thing i enjoyed about the first one was laughing at how horribly awful it wasFeb 17 15:26
MinceRand uninstalling itFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3dune2 is older than c&c 1Feb 17 15:26
Ender2070_dune2000 was using the ra1 engineFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3ts like, c&c zeroFeb 17 15:26
Ender2070_ran on win95Feb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3Ender2070_: seriously thoughFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3gaming to meFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3is dead.Feb 17 15:26
Ender2070_these days i stick with the wii for thatFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3valves like the only company leftFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3and the guys who make supcomFeb 17 15:26
MinceRthere's gaming outside companiesFeb 17 15:26
Diablo-D3AND WHERE THE FUCK IS MY HALFLIFE 3, VALVEFeb 17 15:27
MinceRthere are great FLOSS FPS-es aroundFeb 17 15:27
Diablo-D3MinceR: nexuiz sucks.Feb 17 15:27
MinceRno it doesn'tFeb 17 15:27
Diablo-D3it. sucks.Feb 17 15:27
MinceRit rulesFeb 17 15:27
Diablo-D3it sucks it sucks it sucks it sucks.Feb 17 15:27
Diablo-D3holy shit does it fucking suckFeb 17 15:27
Ender2070_yeah i want half life 3 tooFeb 17 15:27
MinceRno matter how many times you repeat that you're still wrong.Feb 17 15:27
Ender2070_i would hope they make it for linuxFeb 17 15:27
Diablo-D3MinceR: I've played it more than youFeb 17 15:27
MinceRdoesn't matterFeb 17 15:27
MinceRalso, you have no way of knowing thatFeb 17 15:27
Diablo-D3I was playing it before it had a name and it was just some shit lord havoc threw togetherFeb 17 15:28
Diablo-D3I also remember when it was good and it wasnt a fucked up UT cloneFeb 17 15:28
MinceRand ever since, 24/7?Feb 17 15:28
MinceRit isn't a ut clone, and it isn't fucked upFeb 17 15:28
Diablo-D3MinceR: yeah, at one point I was doing 3-4 hours a day on nexuizFeb 17 15:28
MinceRif anything, it's a ut/ut2/q3a/whatever-else-is-around clone :>Feb 17 15:28
Diablo-D3I'm also banned from the only two active nexuiz servers in the USFeb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3because they hate me raping them repeatedlyFeb 17 15:29
MinceRor because they're tired of your trollingFeb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3by trolling, you mean repeatedly capping.Feb 17 15:29
MinceRnopeFeb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3then you're wrongFeb 17 15:29
MinceRby trolling, i mean trolling.Feb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3because thats what happensFeb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3every time I'm on a CTF server, my team wins.Feb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3every. single. time.Feb 17 15:29
Diablo-D3its virtually impossible to beat me.Feb 17 15:30
MinceRboringFeb 17 15:30
Diablo-D3yes, it isFeb 17 15:30
Diablo-D3I quit because nexuiz players are worthless faggotsFeb 17 15:30
Diablo-D3at least on quakelive I get some challengeFeb 17 15:30
Diablo-D3I may hate quake3 worse than nexuiz, but at least its challengingFeb 17 15:31
DaemonFCwatch your fucking mouth god damn it!Feb 17 15:31
MinceRyeah, watch your fucking language, motherfuckersFeb 17 15:31
Diablo-D3incidentally, lordhavoc ported quakelive to linuxFeb 17 15:32
*schestowitz sighs :-(Feb 17 15:32
schestowitzHmmmmmmmmm........  http://www.bravenewcode.com/products/wptouch/ http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/mobile-theme-added/Feb 17 15:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WPtouch: Mobile Plugin + Theme for WordPress » BraveNewCode Inc. .::. Size~: 69.36 KBFeb 17 15:32
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking_AFeb 17 15:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mobile Theme Added «   The Source.com .::. Size~: 22.31 KBFeb 17 15:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fucking A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 54.91 KBFeb 17 15:32
MinceRphIRCe-BNc: hey, watch your language.Feb 17 15:33
MinceR:>Feb 17 15:33
schestowitzIt's disbledFeb 17 15:33
schestowitzdisabledFeb 17 15:33
MinceRgood thing tooFeb 17 15:33
schestowitzIt would be interesting to pipe everything via the filter /before/ it shows up in IRCFeb 17 15:33
schestowitzNot really practicalFeb 17 15:34
schestowitzAlso would lead to lagFeb 17 15:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] How are all the bankrupt & near-bankrupt states going to keep paying for the overflowing prisons? Let alone the costly private prison systemFeb 17 15:35
MinceRsome ircds can do badword filteringFeb 17 15:35
MinceRbut even the idea sucksFeb 17 15:35
DaemonFChttp://popup.lala.com/popup/432627043559281096Feb 17 15:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lala Song Player - I Hope You Die (Album Version (Explicit)) by Bloodhound Gang .::. Size~: 22.61 KBFeb 17 15:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followwednesday @gwbprosecution - Prosecutor Bugliosi has got together the case against Bush. Follow & donate!Feb 17 15:38
DaemonFCSpain will just embarrass itself if they pursue thatFeb 17 15:38
DaemonFCI wouldn't even hand them Bill ClintonFeb 17 15:39
DaemonFC:PFeb 17 15:39
DaemonFCSo what makes them think we'd just fork over Bush, or any former US president for that matterFeb 17 15:39
MinceRyeah, criminals must be protectedFeb 17 15:40
DaemonFCI'm just saying, it'll never happenFeb 17 15:41
DaemonFCI think Spain has a system where you can try and convict someone in their absence thoughFeb 17 15:41
DaemonFCthat couldn't happen hereFeb 17 15:41
DaemonFCIf I committed a crime and they didn't manage to find me or get some other country to extradite me, they can't start the trialFeb 17 15:42
DaemonFCif that means the statute of limitations expires while they can't get me, I can return to the US and never face trial (unless it was murder)Feb 17 15:42
MinceRwhat's special about murder?Feb 17 15:43
DaemonFCRoman Polanski should have RAN before they convicted himFeb 17 15:43
DaemonFCthey wouldn't be able to try him nowFeb 17 15:43
MinceRalso, if murder never expires, neither does copyright infringement, right? :>Feb 17 15:43
DaemonFCMinceR, I think the statute of limitations is like 7 years for most things, it can be longer thoughFeb 17 15:43
DaemonFCbut there isn't one for murderFeb 17 15:44
DaemonFCI could come back 40 years later and they could still arrest me :)Feb 17 15:44
DaemonFChttp://www.edgarsnyder.com/statute-limitations/Feb 17 15:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Statute of Limitations by State - Time Limits to File a Legal Claim .::. Size~: 27.67 KBFeb 17 15:45
DaemonFChmmm, this only talks about civil lawsuits, not criminal prosecutionsFeb 17 15:46
DaemonFChttp://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/criminal-statute-of-limitations/indiana/Feb 17 15:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Criminal Statute of Limitations Laws - IN Criminal Statute of Limitations Laws - FindLaw for the Public .::. Size~: 23.46 KBFeb 17 15:48
DaemonFCahhhhhFeb 17 15:48
DaemonFCso if I commit a B, C, or D Felony and hide for 5 years, I'm goodFeb 17 15:49
DaemonFCbut if they find DNA evidence within 1 year of me coming back, they can still prosecute meFeb 17 15:50
DaemonFCall misdemeanors are not sent to trial if you manage to hide for  2 yearsFeb 17 15:50
DaemonFChttp://law.findlaw.com/state-laws/criminal-statute-of-limitations/intro-criminal-statute-of-limitations/Feb 17 15:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: More Information on Criminal Statute of Limitations - State Laws, Codes .::. Size~: 23.6 KBFeb 17 15:51
schestowitzDaemonFC will love this.... http://rawstory.com/2010/02/mexican-foreign-minister-calls-north-american-union-unified-currency/Feb 17 15:53
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DaemonFCyuckFeb 17 15:53
schestowitzNoFeb 17 15:53
schestowitzHarmonyFeb 17 15:53
schestowitzYou can finally go to Mexico, DaemonFCFeb 17 15:53
schestowitzReceive their healthcareFeb 17 15:53
schestowitzNo more insurance cartelFeb 17 15:53
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/gop-accused-plagiarizing-anticlimate-rant/Feb 17 15:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GOP lawmaker accused of plagiarizing Washington Times anti-climate change rant |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 37.67 KBFeb 17 15:54
DaemonFCHacer no querer!!!Feb 17 15:54
DaemonFCschestowitz, What healthcare woudl that be? whiskey and bone saws?Feb 17 15:55
DaemonFClolFeb 17 15:55
DaemonFCoh wait, tequila and bone sawsFeb 17 15:55
schestowitzhttp://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470557397.htmlFeb 17 15:56
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schestowitzYour idol, DaemonFOZ ^^Feb 17 15:56
DaemonFC"Just open the floodgates and let the rest of us in already"Feb 17 15:57
DaemonFConce they finish turning the US into a third world country, what should we do?Feb 17 15:57
DaemonFCmake a mad dash for Canada?Feb 17 15:57
DaemonFCall 400 million of us?Feb 17 15:57
DaemonFCtell them we're here and we want them to carry us?Feb 17 15:58
DaemonFCwe should send the Mexicans to Quebec, that could turn interestingFeb 17 15:58
schestowitzYou're quite a racistFeb 17 15:59
MinceRyou could go work in chinaFeb 17 15:59
schestowitzI've always thought gay people were less prone to racism, but you change this assumption that I hadFeb 17 15:59
DaemonFCbetter yet, we should pack those Mexicans in the empty shipping contzinersFeb 17 15:59
DaemonFCsend them to ChinaFeb 17 15:59
MinceRuntil they outsource menial labor to the usa, that isFeb 17 15:59
schestowitzMinceR: they would have to string himFeb 17 15:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Awe-worthy works of art: http://www.glennraytutor.com/gallery.phpFeb 17 16:00
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schestowitzHe's  not very obedientFeb 17 16:00
schestowitzDaemonFOX: seek helpFeb 17 16:00
DaemonFCwell, this influx of crap can't go on foreverFeb 17 16:00
DaemonFCthe UK is being stupid tooFeb 17 16:00
DaemonFCyou should know that muchFeb 17 16:00
DaemonFCwhere's your plan to pay off your debt?Feb 17 16:01
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/16/minimalist-posters-f.htmlFeb 17 16:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Minimalist posters for TV shows Boing Boing .::. Size~: 66.46 KBFeb 17 16:01
DaemonFCthe UK is a disease on the rest of the worldFeb 17 16:01
schestowitzHow so? Imperialism?Feb 17 16:01
DaemonFCthe UK exports Imaginary PropertyFeb 17 16:01
schestowitzIntl' debt?Feb 17 16:01
DaemonFCnot a lot elseFeb 17 16:01
schestowitzWell, duh! So do youFeb 17 16:01
schestowitzWeapons tooFeb 17 16:01
schestowitzMonopolies and TNT are the best the West can doFeb 17 16:02
DaemonFCyeah, but it's a little hypocritical to make accusationsFeb 17 16:02
schestowitzProduction is for othersFeb 17 16:02
DaemonFCgiven the policies of your own governmentFeb 17 16:02
schestowitzAfrica - extraction of resourcesFeb 17 16:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: I criticise tooFeb 17 16:02
DaemonFCwell hell, you even forget who planted us here, lolFeb 17 16:02
schestowitzShow me where I stated otherwiseFeb 17 16:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: genocide?Feb 17 16:03
schestowitzHistory lessons in the US go like this:Feb 17 16:03
schestowitz"We had 3 wars"Feb 17 16:03
DaemonFCnot reallyFeb 17 16:03
schestowitz"The good war, the Korea war, the Vietnam war"Feb 17 16:03
schestowitzBefore we came to the US there were Indians"Feb 17 16:03
schestowitz"Now there are white people"Feb 17 16:03
schestowitz[but they don't tell you what happened in between]Feb 17 16:04
DaemonFCwe made peace deals with them and then gave them smallpox infected blanketsFeb 17 16:04
DaemonFCshot the survivors in the backFeb 17 16:04
schestowitzThat's the curriculum of US history lessons at schoolFeb 17 16:04
DaemonFCw00tFeb 17 16:04
schestowitzMany gapsFeb 17 16:04
schestowitzAnd just views from those in power (who win and tell their story)Feb 17 16:04
schestowitzNothing from the populationFeb 17 16:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're  a hypocriteFeb 17 16:05
MinceRschestowitz: no world wars? or no civil war?Feb 17 16:05
schestowitzMexico used to be x2 the sizeFeb 17 16:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, You ever notice how some things have the punishments built in?Feb 17 16:05
schestowitzAnd you don't remember how slavery built your countryFeb 17 16:05
MinceR(i don't remember if jesusland was in ww1 or not)Feb 17 16:05
schestowitzThe rail system was set down by Chinese workersFeb 17 16:05
DaemonFCWe may have slaughtered the natives, but now we're being overran with illegals who the politicians let drain our public safety netsFeb 17 16:05
schestowitzThose who were not strong enough got thrown asideFeb 17 16:05
DaemonFCso I guess penance will be paid one way or anotherFeb 17 16:06
schestowitzMinceR: reluctantlyFeb 17 16:06
schestowitzThe Brits fooled them tooFeb 17 16:06
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schestowitzDaemonFOX: deep inside you're like an obese person who sued McDonaldsFeb 17 16:07
schestowitzYou drink the ocean and then yell at everyone elseFeb 17 16:07
MinceR:DFeb 17 16:07
schestowitzI think you do it comicallyFeb 17 16:07
schestowitzI mean, in the trolling sense. See how radical you can come across with gun culture and racismFeb 17 16:07
schestowitzAnd hey, you seek tolerance for homosexuals, don't you? Hypocrite.Feb 17 16:07
MinceRnot wanting to prohibit guns is "radical"?Feb 17 16:07
schestowitzDouble negationFeb 17 16:08
schestowitzConfusingFeb 17 16:08
DaemonFCof course it's radical if you're a liberalFeb 17 16:08
MinceRwanting to allow citizens to bear guns is "radical"?Feb 17 16:08
schestowitzNoFeb 17 16:08
schestowitzIt's in the spiritFeb 17 16:08
DaemonFCMinceR, of course it isFeb 17 16:08
schestowitzConsider the historyFeb 17 16:08
schestowitzReign of the barrelFeb 17 16:09
schestowitzThis way you can train young troopsFeb 17 16:09
MinceRnope, that's not the pointFeb 17 16:09
DaemonFCMinceR, It's much nicer to have the criminals eviscerate people with knives like they do in the UKFeb 17 16:09
schestowitzThen you give them military-grade cults rather than air rifles and domestic weaponsFeb 17 16:09
MinceRthe point originally was that if the government abuses the powers it was given, the people can rise up against it and defeat itFeb 17 16:09
schestowitzYou get rounds and chains, not magazine.Feb 17 16:09
MinceRand they need weapons to do thatFeb 17 16:09
DaemonFCor force improvised weapons like sawed off shotguns after outlawing pistolsFeb 17 16:09
MinceRthey also need to be able to use them to do thatFeb 17 16:09
schestowitzUncle Martin (Lockheed) pays for itFeb 17 16:10
MinceRof course, this was taken away from them in practice, even in jesuslandFeb 17 16:10
schestowitzIraq was a chance to dispose of some old stocksFeb 17 16:10
schestowitzANd do a "shock and awe" campaignFeb 17 16:10
MinceRthey aren't allowed to keep automatic firearms or anything powerfulFeb 17 16:10
schestowitzReminding the world the bully is dangerous because it's irrationalFeb 17 16:10
schestowitzNow they can restock and move the Industrial ComplexFeb 17 16:10
MinceRthe fact that police can't be trusted to do all the fighting is another pointFeb 17 16:10
DaemonFCMinceR, You'll go away for 10 years if you modify a rifle to be select fireFeb 17 16:11
schestowitzThose Iraqis depleted from the arsenalFeb 17 16:11
schestowitz /sarcasmFeb 17 16:11
DaemonFCMinceR, Not having automatic actually makes the weapon more dangerous, imoFeb 17 16:11
MinceRDaemonFC: how so?Feb 17 16:11
DaemonFCmore accurate, not wasting lots of rounds and hitting nothingFeb 17 16:11
MinceReven if it's selective fire, you can use single shotFeb 17 16:12
schestowitzwhat about Columbine shootings?Feb 17 16:12
MinceRand in some situations full auto is preferableFeb 17 16:12
schestowitzThose f*ing TEENAGERS got bullets from WAL-MART!!Feb 17 16:12
DaemonFCMinceR, Auto is almost never the way to goFeb 17 16:12
DaemonFCit's more of a terror weapon at that pointFeb 17 16:12
MinceRif it never is, why are so many guns equipped with it?Feb 17 16:12
schestowitz"So, what do we need? .... cheese, peanuts... some milk... oh! I almost forget 4 magazines for my precious.."Feb 17 16:12
DaemonFCimpracticalFeb 17 16:12
MinceRit's called 'suppressing fire', not 'terror' :>Feb 17 16:13
DaemonFCMinceR, They took the full auto option off the M16 A2 btwFeb 17 16:13
DaemonFCit's single or three round burstFeb 17 16:13
MinceRthey still have burst thoughFeb 17 16:13
DaemonFCand for exactly the reason I mentionedFeb 17 16:13
MinceRare civilians allowed to have burst-capable guns?Feb 17 16:13
schestowitzZune has that tooFeb 17 16:13
schestowitzIt's called "squirting"Feb 17 16:13
schestowitzIt plays 3 timesFeb 17 16:13
MinceRzune is a water gun?Feb 17 16:13
schestowitzThen DRM suspends itFeb 17 16:14
DaemonFCMinceR, No. But you can fire a full clip pretty fast with some semi-auto modelsFeb 17 16:14
schestowitzModifying your ZUne to overcome this is a DMCA violationFeb 17 16:14
schestowitz10 years in prison :-)Feb 17 16:14
DaemonFCcertainly fast enough to suppressFeb 17 16:14
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, you can own a semi.Feb 17 16:14
Diablo-D3you cant own full autos due to the "assault" weapons banFeb 17 16:14
Diablo-D3even though theres nothing called an assault weaponFeb 17 16:14
DaemonFCDiablo-D3 = idiotFeb 17 16:14
Diablo-D3no one has ever referred to one as such, and congress made the term up because they're ignorant fucksFeb 17 16:15
MinceR:>Feb 17 16:15
DaemonFCAssault Weapons Ban has expiredFeb 17 16:15
DaemonFCin 2004Feb 17 16:15
schestowitzSomersault weapons?Feb 17 16:15
MinceRsemi is just one trigger pull per shot, isn't it?Feb 17 16:15
schestowitzLike in Matrix?Feb 17 16:15
DaemonFCmost of the stuff it banned really wasn't much of a threatFeb 17 16:15
DaemonFCMinceR, yesFeb 17 16:15
DaemonFCMinceR, The biggest thing about it expiring is you can have more rounds in most rifle clips nowFeb 17 16:16
schestowitzMinceR: and non-automatic is when you need to refill with waterFeb 17 16:16
schestowitz[the Zune]Feb 17 16:16
DaemonFCso you're starting to see less 6 round clips and more 12 round or moreFeb 17 16:16
Diablo-D3MinceR: noFeb 17 16:17
DaemonFCyou can also have pistol grips, telescoping and folding stock, and a bayonet mount B-)Feb 17 16:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: depending on the weapon, three to five.Feb 17 16:17
MinceRicFeb 17 16:17
Diablo-D3single is one pull of the trigger, one bullet.Feb 17 16:17
Diablo-D3semi is one pull, a fixed number come outFeb 17 16:18
MinceRDaemonFC: why is the pistol grip important?Feb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3full is hold the trigger down and empty the magazineFeb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3pistol grip isnt importantFeb 17 16:18
DaemonFCnothing in that bill made much senseFeb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3its a cosmetic featureFeb 17 16:18
schestowitzHere is a semi-automatic Zune: http://www.thedigeratilife.com/images/water-gun3.jpgFeb 17 16:18
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DaemonFCMinceR, It also banned grenade launchersFeb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3it has nothing to do with how the weapon is used, and it doesnt make it easier or harder to useFeb 17 16:18
DaemonFCwhich are already very illegal :)Feb 17 16:18
DaemonFCshock and aweFeb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3the assault weapons ban banned pistol grips on riflesFeb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3problem is, it means nothingFeb 17 16:18
Diablo-D3its an end user preference.Feb 17 16:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Mossad's licence to kill http://bit.ly/9RzmTK // but illustrating with a still from Spielberg? BAD CALL.Feb 17 16:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mossad's licence to kill  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 76.24 KBFeb 17 16:19
MinceR:>Feb 17 16:19
Diablo-D3they also banned specific ammo typesFeb 17 16:19
Diablo-D3which also are used in other weaponsFeb 17 16:19
Diablo-D3they were merely replaced with the exact same thing under a different nameFeb 17 16:19
DaemonFCMinceR, It's also illegal to dummy the rounds (as in filing the tips off them)Feb 17 16:19
DaemonFCeasily done, just don't get caught doing itFeb 17 16:19
Diablo-D3they did it to "take crime off the streets"Feb 17 16:19
MinceR:>Feb 17 16:20
Diablo-D3except no one commits crimes with expensive weaponsFeb 17 16:20
DaemonFCThey actually only affected deer huntersFeb 17 16:20
DaemonFClolFeb 17 16:20
Diablo-D3you cant go buy a rifle and then go rob a bank with itFeb 17 16:20
MinceRcrime is on the streets every time a politician travels on it :>Feb 17 16:20
DaemonFCNo, a weapon you commit a crime with is generally disposable ;)Feb 17 16:20
Diablo-D3virtually every single crime of the nature they're speaking of is done with a simple every day pistol.Feb 17 16:20
DaemonFCYou can rob the bank with an airgun painted black probablyFeb 17 16:21
Diablo-D3few are done with knives, and I think one in the time period they used to create the law was done with a shotgunFeb 17 16:21
Diablo-D3no rifles used.Feb 17 16:21
DaemonFCpeople are stupid, they'll fork the cash overFeb 17 16:21
Diablo-D3yet they didn't do anything to curb pistol usageFeb 17 16:21
MinceRalso, the ones forking the cash over aren't high in the managementFeb 17 16:21
Diablo-D3the only major thing is hollow pointsFeb 17 16:21
Diablo-D3which are easy to create at home anyhowFeb 17 16:21
MinceRthey aren't the ones who take the loss :>Feb 17 16:21
Diablo-D3and modern armor largely negates hollow points to begin withFeb 17 16:22
DaemonFCcoat the bullets in Kevlar and they'll penetrateFeb 17 16:23
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 16:23
DaemonFCbblFeb 17 16:24
MinceR:>Feb 17 16:24
MinceR"I guess i'm just not a people person. Good thing I have Kevlar. ...Wait, do I have Kevlar?"Feb 17 16:24
schestowitzAsay is engaging with us... http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/16/purpose-mono-reliance/#comment-82553Feb 17 16:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Apple Teaches Us About Mono and Moonlight | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.05 KBFeb 17 16:32
schestowitzIn case you want to weight in too...Feb 17 16:32
schestowitz*weighFeb 17 16:32
MinceRstrange, his tune used to be differentFeb 17 16:33
MinceRhe was all "desktop linux sucks, use osx" before he got hired by canonicalFeb 17 16:34
schestowitzThis site needs to dump asp http://www.cbronline.com/news/aava_mobile_unveils_open_mobile_device_platform_100216Feb 17 16:40
schestowitzFor about 2-3 years now it has been a TOTAL MESSFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzThe site rarely loads upFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzIt takes agesFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzIt's down too oftenFeb 17 16:40
MinceRasp or asp.net?Feb 17 16:40
schestowitzAnd sometimes it produces an error... like 40% of the timeFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzI am AMAZED that they haven't dumped Microsoft yetFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzIt's embarrassing, but their articles are decentFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzCBR.....Feb 17 16:40
MinceRVBR is better anyway ;)Feb 17 16:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 17 16:40
phIRCe-BNcIt's embarrassing, but their articles are decentFeb 17 16:40
phIRCe-BNcCBR.....Feb 17 16:40
phIRCe-BNcVBR is better anyway ;)Feb 17 16:40
schestowitzSee?Feb 17 16:40
MinceRlolFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzIt broke the bot tooFeb 17 16:40
MinceRwow, it loadedFeb 17 16:40
MinceRthe bot was broken alreadyFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzI can't load it no matter whatFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzAfter 2 minutes of wrestling I finally managed to load it in ThundeBrowseFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzit's interestingFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzAavaFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzAll openFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzNot many details, but looks nice and claims opennessFeb 17 16:40
schestowitzIt has Intel junk in it though, so I'd never buy itFeb 17 16:41
schestowitzHmmmmm........Feb 17 16:45
schestowitzIt seems likely that Tiller read BN...? http://opensource.com/law/10/2/calling-troll-trollFeb 17 16:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Calling a troll a troll | opensource.com .::. Size~: 38.76 KBFeb 17 16:46
schestowitzO'Grady blogs a lot of non-Free things these days...... http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/02/09/data-vs-intuition/Feb 17 16:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: tecosystems » Data and its Sharp Stick vs Intuition .::. Size~: 55.15 KBFeb 17 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kudos to #RedMonk for being transparent http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/02/10/analyst-branding/Feb 17 16:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: tecosystems » Seeing the Forest for the Brand .::. Size~: 58.21 KBFeb 17 16:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Open Source is like Free Software in a prison, feels like this when i read about open source projects that's only possible to run on windowsFeb 17 16:53
schestowitzWhat's this..? http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=alinuxFeb 17 16:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DistroWatch.com: aLinux .::. Size~: 65.95 KBFeb 17 16:54
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21424Feb 17 16:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Fox News Hits an All Time Low - ZomgStuff Forum .::. Size~: 72.03 KBFeb 17 16:54
schestowitzOMG.Feb 17 16:55
schestowitzDaemonFCFeb 17 16:55
schestowitz=BallmerFeb 17 16:55
schestowitzWatch this threadFeb 17 16:55
schestowitzDaemonFOX: got a crush on Uncle Fester?Feb 17 16:55
DaemonFCschestowitz, I just liked that pictureFeb 17 16:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Canonical looking for _technical_ people to help with testing in London, UK. http://bit.ly/cHcBYn follow link for detail!Feb 17 16:56
DaemonFChe looks all psychotic and he's sitting in front of the Windows Vista logoFeb 17 16:56
schestowitz"Posts: 39"Feb 17 16:56
schestowitzMinceR: check it outFeb 17 16:56
DaemonFCit's just funny if you look at itFeb 17 16:56
schestowitzDaemonFOX uses Ballmer as his avatarFeb 17 16:56
schestowitzNo, it's notFeb 17 16:56
schestowitzYou're advertising WindowsFeb 17 16:56
MinceR:>Feb 17 16:57
schestowitz" aLinux (formerly Peanut Linux)"Feb 17 16:57
schestowitzLOLFeb 17 16:57
schestowitzPeanus [sic] Linux?Feb 17 16:57
MinceRi think that those not in the know don't get the joke and to them it's functionally just advertisingFeb 17 16:57
schestowitzNo wonder they renamedFeb 17 16:57
MinceRpeanut is a plantFeb 17 16:57
MinceR:>Feb 17 16:57
schestowitzMaybe Linux{TM} had Linus file a complaint about the name :-)Feb 17 16:57
schestowitzhttp://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=plopFeb 17 16:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: DistroWatch.com: PLoP Linux .::. Size~: 41.5 KBFeb 17 16:58
schestowitzAnother odd nameFeb 17 16:58
schestowitzPlonk PhonemicFeb 17 16:59
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/calculate-89/calculate-linux-desktop-10.2-released-788916/Feb 17 17:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Calculate Linux Desktop 10.2 released - LinuxQuestions.org .::. Size~: 40.51 KBFeb 17 17:00
MinceR"overpatching distributives interactively" -- whatFeb 17 17:01
MinceRi'm trying Pardus in a VM now, it's weirdFeb 17 17:01
schestowitzNew IBM INNVA~1: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/29323.wssFeb 17 17:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IBM  - United States .::. Size~: 36.95 KBFeb 17 17:05
schestowitzThey innovate like MSFT and GOOGFeb 17 17:05
schestowitzMinceR: how so?Feb 17 17:05
schestowitzI was gonna try it as my next distroFeb 17 17:06
MinceRfor example, as far as i can tell, the package cache is completely emptyFeb 17 17:06
MinceReven after upgrading and installing a few packagesFeb 17 17:06
MinceRtheir repos also lack several important packagesFeb 17 17:07
schestowitzWhacky theories: http://fedupusa.org/2010/02/16/goldman-sachs-bets-on-global-warming-more-like-pushes-the-agenda-for-a-2-trillion-stake/Feb 17 17:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Goldman Sachs Bets On Global Warming (More Like Pushes The Agenda) For A $2 Trillion Stake | FedUpUSA .::. Size~: 41.14 KBFeb 17 17:07
schestowitzMinceR: yes, I was gonna inquire about reposFeb 17 17:08
schestowitzThat's the weak spot of small distrosFeb 17 17:08
MinceRno gnumeric, no audacious, no abiword, no evolutionFeb 17 17:08
MinceRi'm like "wtf?"Feb 17 17:08
schestowitzI hate compiling thingsFeb 17 17:08
schestowitzI hate GUIs too, I use apt/yumFeb 17 17:08
schestowitzMuch fasterFeb 17 17:09
schestowitzand verboseFeb 17 17:09
MinceRi didn't like package manager guis until synapticFeb 17 17:09
schestowitzMandriva has a good oneFeb 17 17:09
schestowitzsynaptic adds info and screenshots, which are a wonderful additionFeb 17 17:09
MinceRit also adds saving/loading markings to/from filesFeb 17 17:10
MinceRwhich allows a script i've written to work nicelyFeb 17 17:10
MinceR(it lets me find all the missing documentation for packages i have installed and to install it)Feb 17 17:10
MinceR(it also works on -dev packages but those can clash)Feb 17 17:11
DaemonFC"Microsoft previews Silverlight 4 in Amsterdam - Although fleshlight is more common in that town "Feb 17 17:16
DaemonFClolFeb 17 17:16
MinceR:DFeb 17 17:16
MinceRit's also more usefulFeb 17 17:16
schestowitzHmmmm...Feb 17 17:17
schestowitzI never used the kubuntu guiFeb 17 17:17
schestowitznot to install stuffFeb 17 17:17
schestowitzDoes it have an option to unload list of installed pkgsFeb 17 17:17
schestowitz?Feb 17 17:17
MinceRi've used adept for a while but stopped because i dislike itFeb 17 17:17
MinceRi also used kpackagekit for a whileFeb 17 17:17
MinceRthey both do a lot less than synapticFeb 17 17:17
MinceRand they can't load/save markingsFeb 17 17:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: still trawling Microsoft s/w in a Ballmer avatar?Feb 17 17:18
DaemonFCheheheFeb 17 17:18
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DaemonFChttp://www.jonnyrash.com/img/sandbox/kuato-lives-ballmer-gates-small.jpgFeb 17 17:19
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schestowitzHey, tessierFeb 17 17:19
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schestowitz*tacFeb 17 17:19
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schestowitzHey, taconeFeb 17 17:19
schestowitzLong time, no seeFeb 17 17:19
schestowitzNo blog posts, eitherFeb 17 17:20
taconeYup. I'm in Paris these daysFeb 17 17:20
taconeHope everything is fine. Feb 17 17:20
schestowitzAh..Feb 17 17:20
schestowitzYes, it's OKFeb 17 17:20
schestowitzMono problem has slown a bitFeb 17 17:20
taconeNice. Feb 17 17:20
taconeMs is ever changing. They'll attack with something else. Feb 17 17:21
taconeGtg, bye !Feb 17 17:22
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sebsebsebHiFeb 17 17:23
MinceRhayFeb 17 17:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21424Feb 17 17:24
sebsebsebMinceR: HeyFeb 17 17:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Fox News Hits an All Time Low - ZomgStuff Forum .::. Size~: 108.97 KBFeb 17 17:24
DaemonFChow about this one?Feb 17 17:24
MinceR:DFeb 17 17:25
MinceRi like this one a lot more than the previous oneFeb 17 17:25
DaemonFChttp://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9199/steveballmerlolwut.pngFeb 17 17:26
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*Diablo-D3 farts.Feb 17 17:26
MinceRperhaps it would be worth posting on EDFeb 17 17:26
Diablo-D3what one what?Feb 17 17:26
MinceRnot the fartFeb 17 17:27
Diablo-D3no, ed has enough of thoseFeb 17 17:27
Diablo-D3dohohohohohoFeb 17 17:27
MinceRenough farts?Feb 17 17:27
Diablo-D3yesFeb 17 17:27
*DaemonFC just went on a Taco Bell binge Feb 17 17:29
DaemonFCyou may want to clear the area soonFeb 17 17:29
DaemonFCa volcano box and a bean burrito, mmmmmmFeb 17 17:30
DaemonFCtaste the I just got paid goodnessFeb 17 17:31
DaemonFCpoor MinceR, will never be able to hoard Fire sauce packetsFeb 17 17:32
DaemonFCrip them open and drink them :)Feb 17 17:33
DaemonFCdoesn't know what he's missingFeb 17 17:33
MinceRoh noesFeb 17 17:34
DaemonFCMinceR, http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w106/BFMV7/Fer425.jpgFeb 17 17:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 17 17:35
DaemonFCB-)Feb 17 17:35
MinceRwhy not use them on the food?Feb 17 17:35
DaemonFCI do that too :DFeb 17 17:35
schestowitzFeb 17 17:37
schestowitz[17:21] <tacone> Ms is ever changing. They'll attack with something else. Feb 17 17:37
schestowitzThey tried throwing a Miguel at LinuxFeb 17 17:37
schestowitzit just smashedFeb 17 17:37
schestowitzNobody trusts the tool nowFeb 17 17:37
schestowitzMaybe they can try to bribe some patent trolls nextFeb 17 17:38
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSBby38R5oFeb 17 17:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Beavis & Butt-Head in Couch Fishing .::. Size~: 116.8 KBFeb 17 17:39
schestowitzBallmer is an Apple now?Feb 17 17:39
DaemonFCI call my landlords sons Beavis and Butt-Head, they're the "maintenance" guys :PFeb 17 17:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: that's when you know the US has a poverty issueFeb 17 17:39
DaemonFCput everything together backwardsFeb 17 17:39
MinceRno, a "LOL WUT" pearFeb 17 17:40
schestowitzMaybe you should keep it for when you're hungry.... then you can drink em all upFeb 17 17:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, What's that?Feb 17 17:40
DaemonFCnepotism?Feb 17 17:40
DaemonFCthey'll starve if he ever diesFeb 17 17:40
schestowitzMinceR: similar genetically to applesFeb 17 17:40
schestowitzSome are made hybrids nowFeb 17 17:40
schestowitzLike apples tasting almost like mangoFeb 17 17:40
schestowitzByfield strikes: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/RMS-s-Mostly-Slax-Bad-choices-in-a-good-causeFeb 17 17:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: RMS's Mostly Slax: Bad choices in a good cause - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 37.13 KBFeb 17 17:41
schestowitz[17:39] <DaemonFC> I call my landlords sons Beavis and Butt-Head, they're the "maintenance" guys :PFeb 17 17:41
schestowitzWHat do they call YOU?Feb 17 17:41
MinceRbyfield spewing noise again?Feb 17 17:41
DaemonFCwho cares?Feb 17 17:41
schestowitz[17:26] * Diablo-D3 farts.Feb 17 17:41
schestowitzNo, it's Diablo-D3Feb 17 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "How did we get 2 a place where we can remove #code & functionality & see our #business will grow because of it?" #scout http://bit.ly/3xtApFeb 17 17:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: We Just Undid Three Months of Dev work. Here's What We Learned. .::. Size~: 12.38 KBFeb 17 17:42
schestowitzhttp://openceo.blogspot.com/2010/02/ive-got-feeling-is-open-source-at.htmlFeb 17 17:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Benoit des Ligneris : Open Source CEO: I've got a feeling : is Open Source at an inflexion point ? .::. Size~: 80.63 KBFeb 17 17:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, I decided I was tired of waiting on them to cut down some nuisance trees that were threatening my cable and phone linesFeb 17 17:42
DaemonFCso I cut them down myself and one snagged on the asshole next door's cable lineFeb 17 17:42
DaemonFCripped it off the side of his houseFeb 17 17:43
DaemonFCI got rid of the trees Feb 17 17:43
DaemonFCthank god he wasn't homeFeb 17 17:43
DaemonFChe had to have Comcast come out here and hook it back up for like $100Feb 17 17:44
DaemonFCI was laughing about that the rest of the dayFeb 17 17:44
schestowitzBut this one from Byfield is OK: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3865126/Feb 17 17:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE Review: KDE 4.4 Comes in from the Cold &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 67.79 KBFeb 17 17:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: was the cat laughing too? :-DFeb 17 17:45
DaemonFCJabba?Feb 17 17:45
DaemonFCNo, I didn't tell him, don't want the cops to question him laterFeb 17 17:45
DaemonFCanyway, this was the neighbor that invited my psychotic neightbor who doesn't pay her rent in to "shave his back" as a birthday presentFeb 17 17:46
DaemonFCand from her story, anally raped herFeb 17 17:46
DaemonFCand then I wouldn't answer my door then she was out there banging on it and screaming for helpFeb 17 17:46
DaemonFCor something to that effectFeb 17 17:47
DaemonFCbut she's a habitual liar and even her own daughter doesn't believe that's what happenedFeb 17 17:47
schestowitzdude, i'\m eatingFeb 17 17:47
MinceRdude, where's my car?Feb 17 17:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Copying new episode of @uupc to my HTC Hero to listen and cringe on the way home.Feb 17 17:48
DaemonFCMinceR, So she's banging on my door, it was like 3 PM, I was asleep...Feb 17 17:48
DaemonFCand so I mutter "And that's when I shot her, your honor"Feb 17 17:48
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592037/dell-mini-run-unreleased-androidFeb 17 17:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Dell's mini 5 will run on unreleased android - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 66.24 KBFeb 17 17:49
DaemonFCand put my sansa on and went back to bed under the sweet serenade of a Slayer albumFeb 17 17:49
MinceR:>Feb 17 17:50
schestowitzSo will she be sued for waking Jabba up?Feb 17 17:51
schestowitzBTW, I presume you're BSing usFeb 17 17:51
DaemonFCnah, nothing to sue forFeb 17 17:51
DaemonFCshe's an idiotFeb 17 17:51
schestowitzIf that really had happened, you'd have brought  it up alreadyFeb 17 17:51
schestowitzI'm done with the sandwichFeb 17 17:52
DaemonFCnopeFeb 17 17:52
DaemonFCshe even called my landlord about itFeb 17 17:52
schestowitzBut the gross image of some dude getting his back shaved still disturbs meFeb 17 17:52
DaemonFCand described it in sickening detailFeb 17 17:52
schestowitzWorse than that alleged anal rapeFeb 17 17:52
MinceRneeding to have one's back shaved is gross enoughFeb 17 17:52
schestowitzHow do you know, DaemonFC?Feb 17 17:53
DaemonFCtry man who's 5' 5", 40 years old, overweight, and looks like he escape from a circus sideshowFeb 17 17:53
schestowitzToo many areas indicate you'ee BSing usFeb 17 17:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, Because I called him to complain about herFeb 17 17:53
DaemonFCand we ended up laughing about it on the phoneFeb 17 17:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: stop, it doesn't help when visualisedFeb 17 17:53
DaemonFChe knows her and what an alcoholic she isFeb 17 17:53
DaemonFCnow she's had her car repossessed and she's pissed because I wouldn't take her to work when she volunteered me toFeb 17 17:54
schestowitzThe alcoholic who cried "Wolf"Feb 17 17:54
DaemonFCI make a mad dash in and out of my apartment so she won't hear me and step outFeb 17 17:55
schestowitzIt might makes you wonder if the mentally-unstable can be abused without danger cause nobody believes theFeb 17 17:55
schestowitz*themFeb 17 17:55
DaemonFCprobably, I don't knowFeb 17 17:55
schestowitzAnd you have an ex-con living uncerneathFeb 17 17:55
schestowitzWonderfulFeb 17 17:55
schestowitzNo wonder you keep a pistol.Feb 17 17:55
DaemonFCI wouldn't have gone in to shave the guys back and gotten in the bath tub with himFeb 17 17:55
DaemonFCbut that's me speaking for myselfFeb 17 17:55
DaemonFCand I have that guy downstairs who raped someone in MichiganFeb 17 17:56
DaemonFCyes, thank youFeb 17 17:56
schestowitzSo it was rape after allFeb 17 17:56
schestowitzHow did you find outFeb 17 17:56
DaemonFChim, her, and asshole next doorFeb 17 17:56
schestowitz?Feb 17 17:56
DaemonFCshe told meFeb 17 17:56
DaemonFCshe told Kent (landlord)Feb 17 17:56
DaemonFCshe didn't call the copsFeb 17 17:56
DaemonFCthat's why I don't believe her, well the biggest reason anywayFeb 17 17:57
DaemonFCSo that asshole next door and he brother have both threatened to kill meFeb 17 17:57
DaemonFCfor parking on the curb in front of their houseFeb 17 17:57
DaemonFCyes, they are aware that I'm armed, and I've already told them that they better pray nothing happens to my car while it is parked thereFeb 17 17:58
DaemonFC(it's not now)Feb 17 17:58
DaemonFCrich assholes who took the driveway moved out and I called it before anyone else moved in hereFeb 17 17:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/details.do?sid=366101.011Feb 17 18:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Offender Details .::. Size~: 8.26 KBFeb 17 18:00
DaemonFCthat's the guy downstairsFeb 17 18:01
schestowitzAmeego http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2010021510495874Feb 17 18:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Please Welcome MeeGo - ConsortiumInfo.org .::. Size~: 49.98 KBFeb 17 18:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Maybe smoking isn't so bad after all http://ur1.ca/ml1d #douchebagsFeb 17 18:02
DaemonFCyeah, I've got a rapist living downstairs, a psychotic asshole next door, my upstairs neighbor is an alcoholic and a drama queen, and the neighbor in the other house has a 15 year old thats trying to flirt with meFeb 17 18:03
DaemonFCmy life has become interestingFeb 17 18:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Maybe smoking isn't so bad after all http://ur1.ca/ml1d [language warning]Feb 17 18:04
schestowitz15 y-o girl?Feb 17 18:04
DaemonFCnopeFeb 17 18:04
schestowitzalien?Feb 17 18:04
DaemonFCnegativeFeb 17 18:04
schestowitzKlingon?Feb 17 18:05
DaemonFCKapla!!!! and noFeb 17 18:05
MinceRQapla'!Feb 17 18:06
DaemonFCmeh, whateverFeb 17 18:06
schestowitzhttp://www.safercode.com/blog/2009/12/29/perl-select-autoflush.htmlFeb 17 18:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Weird Usage Of select in perl | Safer Code - Secure Coding In C  C++ And More.. .::. Size~: 28.53 KBFeb 17 18:07
schestowitzOh, this is fun.. http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/initAdvancedSearchForm.doFeb 17 18:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:09
schestowitzLet's see what can be pulled hereFeb 17 18:09
schestowitzI see lots of "sexual predators"Feb 17 18:10
schestowitzThey need to add some to these listsFeb 17 18:10
schestowitzLike "federal predator"Feb 17 18:10
schestowitzor "Microsoft employee" :-)Feb 17 18:10
MinceRor "yautja"Feb 17 18:10
schestowitzhttp://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=365591.011&redPage=1Feb 17 18:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:10
schestowitzhttp://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=339386.011&redPage=1 http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=338623.011&redPage=1Feb 17 18:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:10
schestowitzFemale sex ofender http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=337404.011&redPage=1Feb 17 18:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:11
schestowitz*offenderFeb 17 18:11
schestowitzThis guy reminds me of someone from ACCESS. http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=339480.011&redPage=1Feb 17 18:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:11
schestowitzDaemonFC: this dude might kill Jabba. http://www.insor.org/insasoweb/offenderDetails.do?sid=360438.011&redPage=1Feb 17 18:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana Sheriff's Sex and Violent Offender Registry .::. Size~: 29.79 KBFeb 17 18:12
schestowitzI can tell by the faceFeb 17 18:12
schestowitz:-pFeb 17 18:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, Don't you have sites like this?Feb 17 18:12
schestowitz"LEBANON, INDIANA"Feb 17 18:12
schestowitzIs that for real?Feb 17 18:12
DaemonFCyeahFeb 17 18:12
schestowitzIf there also IRAQ in Indiana?Feb 17 18:12
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't know if we have sites like thatFeb 17 18:13
schestowitzSO how does that work. Like, if you in Indiana dates someone then you run a search?Feb 17 18:13
schestowitzIs that how it rolls?Feb 17 18:13
schestowitzhttp://preview.thetyee.ca/News/2010/01/29/MakingALiving/Feb 17 18:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Tyee — Making a Living in MakerCulture .::. Size~: 52.74 KBFeb 17 18:14
DaemonFCschestowitz, If you commit some kind of a sex crime, you'll have to register, typically from 10 years to the rest of your lifeFeb 17 18:15
DaemonFCand it's for anyone to seeFeb 17 18:15
schestowitzhttp://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-obamas-secret-prisons-in-afghanistan-endanger-us-all-1896996.htmlFeb 17 18:17
schestowitzBushFeb 17 18:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Johann Hari: Obama's secret prisons in Afghanistan endanger us all -Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent .::. Size~: 189.41 KBFeb 17 18:17
schestowitzBush is backFeb 17 18:17
schestowitzAnd he speaks more eloquentlyFeb 17 18:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://jenchoi.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/faux-news-poster1.gifFeb 17 18:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 17 18:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: as they say, Murdoch gives you the fact, YouDecide(TM)Feb 17 18:18
DaemonFCthe real facts or the good facts?Feb 17 18:19
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 18:19
schestowitzThe self-serving onesFeb 17 18:19
DaemonFCcause I'm a real fact kinda guyFeb 17 18:19
DaemonFC:DFeb 17 18:19
schestowitzhttp://us.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/02/10/blackwater.iraq/index.htmlFeb 17 18:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Iraq orders ex-Blackwater contractors out - CNN.com .::. Size~: 48.76 KBFeb 17 18:21
schestowitzWeird article for CNNFeb 17 18:21
schestowitzSeen it yesterday and even RMS links to it... yes, to CNN!!Feb 17 18:21
schestowitzCrappy Nationals for NationalsFeb 17 18:21
schestowitzThis is /some/ big fish: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/14/bluefin-tuna-trade-ban-japanFeb 17 18:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Push to ban trade in endangered bluefin tuna |Environment |The Observer .::. Size~: 73.8 KBFeb 17 18:22
schestowitzhttp://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-iraq-vote14-2010feb14,0,7105553.storyFeb 17 18:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Iraq secular bloc suspends campaign - latimes.com .::. Size~: 111.07 KBFeb 17 18:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, reverse correct infospeakFeb 17 18:24
DaemonFC;)Feb 17 18:24
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/14/coalition-forces-taliban-retreatFeb 17 18:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Coalition troops force Taliban retreat from key stronghold |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 78.83 KBFeb 17 18:26
schestowitzhttp://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/openoffice_org_3_2_0Feb 17 18:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenOffice.org 3.2.0 released today - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 58.07 KBFeb 17 18:28
schestowitzit runs on Windows too (for people like DaemonFOX)Feb 17 18:28
schestowitzhttp://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/quaste_now_supports_writing_testFeb 17 18:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: QUASTe now supports writing Test Case Specifications - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 61.61 KBFeb 17 18:28
schestowitzLet's see what gets cracked first. http://www.pcworld.com/article/189420/smartphone_hackers.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 17 18:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hackers at Pwn2Own to Compete for $100K in Prizes - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.95 KBFeb 17 18:31
schestowitzLinux has a good rack record hereFeb 17 18:31
schestowitz*track recordFeb 17 18:31
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189436/apple_banning_hackers.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 17 18:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Banning Hackers From the App Store? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 68.4 KBFeb 17 18:32
schestowitzPeople whom Apple does not approve = "hackers"Feb 17 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @JMF1957: :) :) Casa Pia: Absolvidos todos os jornalistas acusados de violação do segredo de justiça http://is.gd/8AVy0Feb 17 18:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @gbraad: @linuxdotcom posted an article about #meego http://ur1.ca/ml3h Hardware Abstraction Software WTF to allow binary-only drivers.Feb 17 18:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Casa Pia: Absolvidos todos os jornalistas acusados de violação do segredo de justiça - Sociedade - PUBLICO.PT .::. Size~: 37.33 KBFeb 17 18:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @gbraad: @linuxdotcom posted an article about #meego http://ur1.ca/ml3h Hardware Abstraction Software WTF to allow binary-only drivers.Feb 17 18:35
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189538/skype_on_verizon_a_bit_deal_or_not.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 17 18:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Skype on Verizon: A Big Deal or Not? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 63.5 KBFeb 17 18:37
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schestowitzhttp://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/feb/14/project-postcard-design-chosen/Feb 17 18:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pirate Party UK - Project Postcard: design chosen! .::. Size~: 16.42 KBFeb 17 18:42
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100216/1034448184.shtmlFeb 17 18:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: University Of Texas Claims Trademark Over 'Texas'; Wants Useful iPhone App Blocked | Techdirt .::. Size~: 95.67 KBFeb 17 18:47
schestowitzwb, jweyrichFeb 17 18:47
jweyrichty schestowitz! how's everything?Feb 17 18:48
schestowitzhola, where'e tobi?Feb 17 18:48
jweyrichdon't know, sent him a msg few minutes ago, but didn't answer.Feb 17 18:48
jweyrichprobably having some headaches @ workFeb 17 18:48
jweyrichrnb: hello!Feb 17 18:49
jweyrichidling people.Feb 17 18:50
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100216/0311528177.shtmlFeb 17 18:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: How Someone Pretended To Be HJ Heinz On Twitter | Techdirt .::. Size~: 48.97 KBFeb 17 18:50
schestowitzYesFeb 17 18:51
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20100216/0318428178.shtmlFeb 17 18:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Do IT People Hate Their Jobs? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 152.27 KBFeb 17 18:51
schestowitzhttp://www.cio.com/article/534314/Where_has_IT_s_Passion_Gone_Feb 17 18:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Where has IT's Passion Gone? -  CIO.com - Business Technology Leadership .::. Size~: 56.58 KBFeb 17 18:51
schestowitzAstroturtle. heh. http://www.flickr.com/photos/astroturtleFeb 17 18:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Flickr: Astroturtle's Photostream .::. Size~: 47.55 KBFeb 17 18:52
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8513734.stmFeb 17 18:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Companies, I mean. The persons who participate in LF are (IMO) the public nice and willing face, but big companies have many hands.Feb 17 18:58
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/16/tsa-forces-travellin.htmlFeb 17 18:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TSA forces travelling policeman to remove his disabled four-year-old son's leg-braces Boing Boing .::. Size~: 204.8 KBFeb 17 18:58
schestowitzhttp://www.zimdaily.com/news/gnu27.8012.htmlFeb 17 19:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNU faces collapse .::. Size~: 66.62 KBFeb 17 19:03
schestowitzNot *that* gnu :-pFeb 17 19:03
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DaemonFCwatching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless MindFeb 17 19:14
DaemonFCI probably would have had a few disastrous relationships wiped from my memoryFeb 17 19:15
DaemonFCwith something like that existedFeb 17 19:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] MeeGo official website is up: http://meego.com/ finally I'm getting interested in cellphones as well.Feb 17 19:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MeeGo .::. Size~: 20.67 KBFeb 17 19:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @joaomiranda: Quando chegou ao gabinete de Rui Pedro Soares a Judiciária já sabia que password usar para entrar nos computadoresFeb 17 19:38
schestowitzDiablo-D3: good theme musicFeb 17 19:48
schestowitzdaemonFC I meant, nmFeb 17 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dear #guardian , API is not the same as open source http://ur1.ca/mla5 #failstream #mediaFeb 17 19:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Google's news experiment Living Stories to go open source |Media |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 93.68 KBFeb 17 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] http://passo-a-rezar.net/ tem mp3 mas... TODOS OS DIREITOS RESERVADOS e nenhuma licença (eg. CC By-SA) com ideais católicos de partilha.Feb 17 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ou seja, http://passo-a-rezar.net/ tem MP3 com orações musicais MAS se partilhares com outros crentes estarás a ser um vil "pirata"!Feb 17 19:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 17 19:57
Diablo-D3schestowitz: rt the dent I just madeFeb 17 19:58
Diablo-D3it hasnt shown up on the bot yetFeb 17 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst see http://www.i4u.com/article30887.htmlFeb 17 19:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MWC: Aava Claims First 'Fully Open' Mobile Phone .::. Size~: 24.23 KBFeb 17 19:59
schestowitzrts don't work wellFeb 17 20:01
schestowitzand "@" stuffFeb 17 20:01
schestowitzI haven't checked why, but it never worked wellFeb 17 20:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 3 #Tesla execs dead in plane crash http://ur1.ca/mlatFeb 17 20:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 3 Tesla Execs Dead In Palo Alto Plane Crash - Tesla Plane Crash - Jalopnik .::. Size~: 60.29 KBFeb 17 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz thanks ;-)Feb 17 20:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New blog post: Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã! http://blog.1407.org/2010/02/17/passo-a-rezar-pouco-crista/Feb 17 20:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã! « FU-BAR .::. Size~: 27.49 KBFeb 17 20:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Here is another one, know this one from Dutch Linux Magazine: http://tinyurl.com/yzo8txlFeb 17 20:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Bericht .::. Size~: 0.86 KBFeb 17 20:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Novo artigo no meu blog: "Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã!" http://blog.1407.org/2010/02/17/passo-a-rezar-pouco-crista/Feb 17 20:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Passo a Rezar, pouco cristã! « FU-BAR .::. Size~: 27.61 KBFeb 17 20:10
schestowitzdiablod3 many execs die in car accidents every dayFeb 17 20:10
schestowitzWe only care when metal falls from the sky and scan people for metals when they board the key-bound piece of metalFeb 17 20:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.geeky-gadgets.com/portable-hard-drive-duplicator-17-2-2010/Feb 17 20:30
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VernonJoe ‘Zonker’ Brockmeier is speaking at our meeting tomorrow night.  Is there anything I should ask him?Feb 17 20:46
VernonIs there anything I should read before hand?Feb 17 20:46
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QMlJw6nMIcFeb 17 20:53
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schestowitzVernon: ask him why he left NovellFeb 17 20:53
schestowitzHe never explained whyFeb 17 20:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Alleged Israeli murder. Israeli spokesperson says not that mossad did not do it but there was no proof mossad did it.Feb 17 20:57
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FurnaceBoyhttp://www.alternet.org/environment/145694/did_bill_gates_just_give_the_most_important_climate_speech_of_the_yearFeb 17 21:01
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MinceRmy guess is "no"Feb 17 21:03
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schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzYgCdi9PjAFeb 17 21:35
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FurnaceBoyMinceR: :)Feb 17 21:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Raising eyebrows moment of the day: #Google buys #ON2 http://ur1.ca/lh7qFeb 17 22:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: www.on2.com - Investor News .::. Size~: 35.54 KBFeb 17 22:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: if you leave Gates in the north poll it might freeze the surrounding areasFeb 17 22:00
schestowitz*poleFeb 17 22:00
schestowitzOn the negative side, monopolies like Microsoft and Monsanto would sufferFeb 17 22:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I am sure he wants a Mausoleum like LeninFeb 17 22:09
schestowitzna..... me jokingFeb 17 22:22
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] General Black Jack Pershing, one bad motherfucker http://ur1.ca/mlmn #awesomeFeb 17 22:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 5 of 5 stars to The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown - http://bit.ly/aUO3PRFeb 17 22:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of The Lost Symbol .::. Size~: 15.26 KBFeb 17 22:48
*FurnaceBoy is strangely unmotivated to chase that link downFeb 17 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez see this one: http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/261267Feb 17 22:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: albawaba.com  middle east news information::Savvytek Lands the First Red-Hat Linux Virtualization Implementation Project at MEPS .::. Size~: 44.5 KBFeb 17 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @lilmishap WTF? PCC rejects complaint over Jan Moir's Stephen Gately's column http://bit.ly/cyxCN3 / #WTF truly. That piece was shamefulFeb 17 22:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Diva ex machina. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/29029.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/542916.htmlFeb 17 23:06
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_goblingood evening everyone.Feb 17 23:06
schestowitz0/Feb 17 23:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux *Alone* Has Over 10 Millions Users (More Than 1% of Desktops) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43213Feb 17 23:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Linux Box to Market Ubuntu to U.S. Enterprise Users | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 30.72 KBFeb 17 23:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora claims over 20 million installations. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6922/1/Feb 17 23:11
Diablo-D3only 20 mill?Feb 17 23:12
Diablo-D3fehFeb 17 23:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Survey: 2/3 Move to #GNU #Linux for Better Value for Money http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015131o-114626b,00.htmFeb 17 23:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #Qi's #Ben #Nanonote on sale starting tomorrow thanks to our #TuxBrain spanish friends: http://www.tuxbrain.com/oscommerce/products/68Feb 17 23:13
Diablo-D3debian easily has twice thatFeb 17 23:13
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Detalles de producto | www.tuxbrain.com .::. Size~: 12.9 KBFeb 17 23:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zend Survey: 38.5% of Developers Chooses Desktop #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/mlpm Poor Mac...Feb 17 23:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Zend Technologies Polls Fast-Growing Zend Framework PHP Developer Community  .::. Size~: 40.95 KBFeb 17 23:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Saves #Windows from Microsoft's Own Mess http://blogs.computerworld.com/15595/using_linux_to_back_out_a_windows_xp_patchFeb 17 23:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Using Linux to back out a Windows XP patch - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 135.04 KBFeb 17 23:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Entrepreneur Tells How a Career of #GNU #Linux Kicked it off http://ur1.ca/mlpwFeb 17 23:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Incredible Story of Scott Kveton: Linux, Firefox, Bacon & iPhones .::. Size~: 69.08 KBFeb 17 23:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Puts Computers in the Garbage, #GNU #Linux Salvages Them http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2010/02/16/the-disposable-pc/Feb 17 23:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #JoikuSpot and Other Software Comes to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/mlqb http://ur1.ca/mlqcFeb 17 23:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GraphOn Announces Free GO-Global Personal Edition Software - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 60.92 KBFeb 17 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Should Dump and Avoid #Comcast http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=6865Feb 17 23:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Comcast Tech Support vs Linux user .::. Size~: 39.05 KBFeb 17 23:23
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oiaohmhttp://cwe.mitre.org/top25/  Good read for those who think languages like .net are majorally more secuire.Feb 17 23:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CWE -2010 CWE/SANS Top 25 Most Dangerous Programming Errors .::. Size~: 249.97 KBFeb 17 23:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Servers Get Price Improvements http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/16/linux-server-discounts-from-lenovo-red-hat-and-tech-data/Feb 17 23:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Server Discounts From Lenovo, Red Hat and Tech Data | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 49.44 KBFeb 17 23:26
schestowitzoiaohm: new?Feb 17 23:28
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, Debian on server thoughFeb 17 23:28
Diablo-D3so?Feb 17 23:29
Diablo-D3fedora/redhat is 2nd most popular server distroFeb 17 23:29
Diablo-D3and you know they're counting them tooFeb 17 23:29
schestowitzDebian is also embedded in some NASesFeb 17 23:29
schestowitzsmoltFeb 17 23:29
schestowitzand repo queriesFeb 17 23:29
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I was thinking today, can Iraq demand reparations from the US and UK?Feb 17 23:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz That was amazing! Thanks Roy.Feb 17 23:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heise/The H Looks at Next #Linux ( #Kernel Space) Shortly Before Final Release http://ur1.ca/mlroFeb 17 23:38
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oiaohmschestowitz: that is the new list for bugs that common breached systems last year.   Lot of them don't link to what .net and java languages protect against.  To be correct php and other equal languages have been breached.Feb 17 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Graphics Stack: A Look at Nouveau, Catalyst, X Server 1.7 http://ur1.ca/mlrv http://ur1.ca/mlrw http://ur1.ca/mlrxFeb 17 23:41
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Fifth Stable Update Ends Out X Server 1.7 Series .::. Size~: 16.31 KBFeb 17 23:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] You know the recession is biting when American call centre employees take Indian accent coaching and take Indian names for callers.Feb 17 23:42
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.grist.org/article/2010-02-17-why-bill-gates-is-wrong-on-energy-and-climateFeb 17 23:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Bill Gates is wrong | Grist .::. Size~: 37.22 KBFeb 17 23:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Choose a Desktop Environment, Review of #KDE 4.4 http://ur1.ca/mls2 http://ur1.ca/mls3Feb 17 23:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @drgrist My new post: Why Bill Gates is wrong: http://is.gd/8C0Vj // #energy #climate #fraud #crime #antitrust #microsoftFeb 17 23:44
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oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-I8250/  Hmm wonder how long people start packing a small projector screen and skipping the laptop/nettop.Feb 17 23:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Gets Banksters' Endorsement, Milestone in #Jordan http://ur1.ca/mlsa http://ur1.ca/mlsbFeb 17 23:47
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MinceRa keyboard is still needed :>Feb 17 23:47
MinceRand a surface to project onFeb 17 23:47
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] God has a sense of humor but apparently takes cash only http://ur1.ca/mls7Feb 17 23:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian -derived #SimplyMEPIS 8.5 is Now in Fifth Beta http://ur1.ca/mlse http://ur1.ca/mlsf #mepis #gnuFeb 17 23:48
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oiaohmMinceR: projection bluetooth keyboard and a protector screen.  You are kinda covered.  Both are very light and very small.Feb 17 23:48
MinceRbluetooth? only if i want my keystrokes sniffed and injected. :>Feb 17 23:49
MinceRusb host functionality wouldn't hurt.Feb 17 23:49
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/microsoft_reminds_mvps_of_ndas_hoping_to_thwart_tmi_on_twitter.htmlFeb 17 23:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft to MVPs: Enough with the TMI tweets, remember NDAs .::. Size~: 51.21 KBFeb 17 23:49
oiaohmIt has usb hook up as well.  The projection keyboard.  MinceRFeb 17 23:49
MinceRof course it still presents challenges if you want to use it in your lap. :>Feb 17 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Gets Many Nice Additions and New Service http://ur1.ca/mlsk http://ur1.ca/misaFeb 17 23:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lucid Gets New Icons For Rhythmbox, UbuntuOne, MeMenu, More! | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 105.52 KBFeb 17 23:50
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schestowitzoiaohm: thanks. I'll write about it in the morningFeb 17 23:50
MinceRthe projection keyboard has no tactile feedback, therefore it's uselessFeb 17 23:50
MinceRi've seen a foldable usb keyboard, thoughFeb 17 23:50
oiaohmNot really all depends how the projection screen is design.Feb 17 23:50
oiaohmAnd how far back the phone has to bee.Feb 17 23:50
FurnaceBoyrnb: ping?Feb 17 23:50
oiaohmIe screen of phone being mouse MinceR. And the projector screen being a thin folder.Feb 17 23:51
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Downloading !lo on my G1.Feb 17 23:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@stephintoronto Honestly, if you wrote a screenplay, "A Saturday whizzing around downtown by #ttc" it would be hilarious #torontoFeb 17 23:53
oiaohmOf course that phone is not correctly layed out to use with sixthsense tech either MinceR.Feb 17 23:55
MinceRsixthsense?Feb 17 23:55
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] reading "The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development". Nice and to the point.Feb 17 23:57
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SixthSense_%28device%29Feb 17 23:57
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oiaohmIt a bit of a different setup. It can do all kinds of warped things when it has a projector and cam pointing in the same kind of direction.Feb 17 23:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Catching up on #WWE #RAW (Jerry Springer host) what does this have to do with wrestling? Utter rubbish. Is this what todays fan wants?Feb 17 23:59

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