| schestowitz | http://www.techgoondu.com/2010/02/21/whither-linux-drivers/ "Linux users are often at the mercy of hardware vendors when it comes to device drivers. The open source community often needs to turn to reverse engineering to churn out drivers from proprietary ones." Isiot.... | Feb 22 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Obviously he never used Linux | Feb 22 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Very clueless post.. | Feb 22 00:02 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - did anyone threaten to call the cops on you? | Feb 22 00:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, lol! You gotta read this too: http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/Excellent_Lessons_in_Journalism_How_to_Write_a_BoycottNovell_Article#comment-5738 :) | Feb 22 00:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Excellent Lessons in Journalism: How to Write a BoycottNovell Article! | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 85.71 KB | Feb 22 00:08 |
| Ender2070 | lol i just read that | Feb 22 00:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq I know someone who will pay RT @dangillmor can't believe NYT foolish enough to paywall its blogs // Friedman will pay to read his own | Feb 22 00:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Re-enabled UbuntuOne file sync for testing, despite also having 4G with dropbox. Seems more reliable than when I last tested it. | Feb 22 00:22 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: more anti-progress https://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/21/2119252 | Feb 22 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I'm sick of it.... | Feb 22 00:40 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-kGufIVcY :-) | Feb 22 00:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz but Roy, you are forgetting the "One Microsoft way" its always better with MS...because Steve Ballmer says so. | Feb 22 00:42 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well, to cheer u up, here's some Arianna, subtly revising history. http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/9452809010 | Feb 22 00:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Toby Thain: @ariannahuff Rebranding #I ... .::. Size~: 9.86 KB | Feb 22 00:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ariannahuff Rebranding #Iraq war "New Dawn." "A Huge, Tragic Mistake" is much more accurate // it wasn't a "mistake". it was wilful crime | Feb 22 00:55 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♻ @snarf #Paypal stole $US5k from X.Org. Boycott Paypal! http://is.gd/8R8td !debian !fedora !fsf !linux !ubuntu | Feb 22 01:02 | |
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| Omar87 | _Goblin, hey | Feb 22 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | This guy is OK too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQFlStX1XxE | Feb 22 01:05 |
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| yuhong | In case you hasn't seen it: | Feb 22 01:10 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/behind-the-windows-7-memory-usage-scaremongering.ars | Feb 22 01:10 |
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| _Goblin | omar87: Hi! Looking forward to Elimination Chamber tonight? | Feb 22 01:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For an honest held belief in FOSS/Linux and IT in general - http://www.openbytes.wordpress.com #linux #microsoft #apple #xp #windows #vista | Feb 22 01:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wish there was a Linux app that managed casts the way itunes/ipod does.pc knowing what I have listened to on ipod is a useful feature I miss | Feb 22 01:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Automagic syncing of podcasts to the device (ipod 30gb video) would be nice too.if u1 music store is good then I should relook at rhythmbox | Feb 22 01:42 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf identica | Feb 22 01:44 |
| *Diablo-D3 fixes that | Feb 22 01:47 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♻ @snarf #Paypal stole $US5k from X.Org. Boycott Paypal! http://is.gd/8R8td #debian #fedora #fsf #linux #ubuntu | Feb 22 01:52 | |
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| jweyrich | ptl: be welcome! | Feb 22 02:08 |
| ptl | thanks | Feb 22 02:08 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: ptl is a friend from campinas. | Feb 22 02:09 |
| jweyrich | I mean, from minas gerais. but currently living in Campinas. | Feb 22 02:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | I mean, from minas gerais. but currently living in Campinas. | Feb 22 02:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @b1ackcr0w: #Shotofjaq #SOJ_I First SOJ Publicty Stunt done!! :) Come and meet Shot of Jaq the Fish! http://is.gd/8Rkkp | Feb 22 02:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] OK, folks, start your engines! #shotofjaq Publicity Bingo! http://is.gd/8TR1v - go and do one of them and let us know! #SOJ_I | Feb 22 02:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We also have the new Shot Of Jaq Drinking Game thanks to a kind listener! Feel free to add ideas to http://is.gd/8TRme #shotofjaq #soj_s | Feb 22 02:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Awesome to see our Google Nexus One shot was so popular - add your thoughts there too! http://is.gd/8TRFc | Feb 22 02:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Shot of Jaq » Review Of Jaq: Google Nexus One .::. Size~: 110.28 KB | Feb 22 02:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Kickass quesadillas, guacamole, soup at Casa Mariachi, 816 #StClairW near Atlas #Toronto #food | Feb 22 02:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@JPBarlow Mlns long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday arvo - Ertz / now solved by #chatroulette | Feb 22 02:19 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Is !Identica screwed up so that posts via external tool (such as Gwibber) disappear randomly? | Feb 22 02:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @MargaretAtwood Thanks @andrewaxiom: Defunct phone booths as lending libraries- What an idea - go Brits! http://ow.ly/19Hpy // BRILLIANT | Feb 22 02:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] That re-tweet my be the only change I ever get to correct a typo for @MargaretAtwood. *Glows* | Feb 22 02:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] That re-tweet may be the only chance I ever get to correct a typo for @MargaretAtwood. *Glows* | Feb 22 02:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @wtk1 @socratic friend of mine told me tonight that her newborn was proof of a benevolent God. told her to get back to me in 15yrs //LOL | Feb 22 02:27 | |
| FurnaceBoy | ptl: boa noite! o prazer eh meu | Feb 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Hey, ptl | Feb 22 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Nice to meet you | Feb 22 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: can you believe that euphemism? "awful mistake". Like, uh, putting too much soap in the washing machine? | Feb 22 02:30 |
| jweyrich | hey schestowitz. how's everything? | Feb 22 02:30 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sounds like O'reilly | Feb 22 02:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bruno Knaapen, #GNU #Linux Advocate, Remembered in Amsterdam http://ur1.ca/n1y9 http://ur1.ca/n1yb | Feb 22 02:33 | |
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| schestowitz | That's what he would, except the "awful" | Feb 22 02:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dearest Friends, Students, Admirers of Bruno Knaapen... - Scot's Newsletter Forums .::. Size~: 165.56 KB | Feb 22 02:33 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: all good | Feb 22 02:33 |
| schestowitz | About 20 posts to do tomorrow :-D | Feb 22 02:33 |
| jweyrich | 20? god. | Feb 22 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 22 02:34 |
| schestowitz | I manage to do about 2 per hour depending on length | Feb 22 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's what Arianna calls the war, now. | Feb 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | New crimes I want to catalogue | Feb 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: that's what I call her then | Feb 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Just not to her parents, as that would be offensive | Feb 22 02:35 |
| jweyrich | 2/hour, great avg. | Feb 22 02:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: ask her if WW2 was an "accident" | Feb 22 02:36 |
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| schestowitz | But in this case, to one side it's a war crime and to anorher a genocide | Feb 22 02:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Business Credit Card from #Linux Fund Comes to the UK http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/11919.html | Feb 22 02:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Security Improved by #GNU #Linux http://www.daniweb.com/news/story261566.html | Feb 22 02:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Security Alert: They Should Have Used Linux - Window and Desktop Managers News Story .::. Size~: 49.46 KB | Feb 22 02:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux "Used in Everything from the Smallest Consumer Electronics to the Largest Super Computers" http://ur1.ca/n1yh | Feb 22 02:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Review: You are not a Gadget: A Manifesto, by Jaron Lanier - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 90.04 KB | Feb 22 02:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Review of the New #GNU #Linux Desktop Business from Newcastle http://ur1.ca/n1yi http://ur1.ca/n1yj | Feb 22 02:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Broadband Computer Co Alex review | Expert Reviews .::. Size~: 51.29 KB | Feb 22 02:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Worked So Much Better Than #Windows http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015150o-2000440676b,00.htm | Feb 22 02:41 | |
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| jweyrich | bed time. nite FurnaceBoy schestowitz ptl | Feb 22 02:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Still Likes #GNU #Linux for #Servers http://ur1.ca/n1yz http://ur1.ca/n1z0 | Feb 22 02:43 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | jwenite | Feb 22 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | oups | Feb 22 02:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New #Games for #GNU #Linux: Plants Vs. Zombies, Dale Hardshovel http://ur1.ca/n1z3 http://ur1.ca/n1z4 | Feb 22 02:45 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: News: Dale Hardshovel and the Bloomstone Mystery Released and Demo - GamersHell.com .::. Size~: 21.72 KB | Feb 22 02:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment (KDE SC) Rambles and Suggestions http://ur1.ca/n1zt http://ur1.ca/n1zu | Feb 22 02:52 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: the limits of virtual desktops « ChaniBlog .::. Size~: 46.88 KB | Feb 22 02:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A New #GNU #Linux Distribution That Microsoft/Apple AstroTurfers Ought to Try :-) http://ur1.ca/mssj | Feb 22 02:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat #GNU #Linux Gets Boost from #Savvytek and #Lenovo http://ur1.ca/n209 http://ur1.ca/n20a | Feb 22 02:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Additions to #Debian Family: #ElementOS http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/element-os-your-ultimate-entertainment.html | Feb 22 02:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Developments and #Kubuntu Review http://ur1.ca/n20m http://ur1.ca/n20n http://ur1.ca/n20o | Feb 22 02:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux in #Embedded : Marvel, #Pogoplug , #ELinOS http://ur1.ca/n20u | Feb 22 03:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Marvel Reveals ARM-Powered Notebook at MWC - Commercial model might debut this year - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.17 KB | Feb 22 03:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even #Microsoft Allies Turn Away from #Windows and to #Linux / #Android http://ur1.ca/n20w http://ur1.ca/n20y | Feb 22 03:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wipro to offer commercialisation services on TI's OMAP processors - Computer Business Review : News .::. Size~: 51.6 KB | Feb 22 03:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nvidia Tablets/Sub-notebooks Likely to Runs #GNU #Linux http://www.techeye.net/software/nvidia-tablets-could-use-intels-meego | Feb 22 03:03 | |
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| -phIRCe-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nvidia Tablets/Sub-notebooks Likely to Runs #GNU #Linux http://www.techeye.net/software/nvidia-tablets-could-use-intels-meego | Feb 22 03:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wastedcarbon Remember when Segways changed the way cities were built? (via @z0x1c) //nobody's building cities any more,except Iraq& Haiti | Feb 22 03:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@katyushina .@SarahPalinUSA: "Go #Canada -- it's part of America, too!" // She sure makes us wish it wasn't | Feb 22 03:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Grows in Russian Government http://www.prweb.com/releases/RussianFederation/OpenSource/prweb3610594.htm | Feb 22 03:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Future Growth of Russian Open Source Market Ensured: Key 2009 Partnerships, Milestones and Resources .::. Size~: 39.26 KB | Feb 22 03:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness and Freedom (Like Software Help #Haiti http://ur1.ca/n248 | Feb 22 03:34 | |
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| schestowitz | gn | Feb 22 03:37 |
| ender2070 | gn | Feb 22 03:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schestowitz: Openness and Freedom (Like Software Help #Haiti http://ur1.ca/n248 | Feb 22 03:52 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open Source Maps Are Helping the World Bank Save Lives in Haiti | Green Day | Fast Company .::. Size~: 36.5 KB | Feb 22 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | When someone says "World Bank" iss helping to save lives.....you know it's bullshit | Feb 22 04:04 |
| ender2070 | yes | Feb 22 04:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | banks are very into reputation laundering | Feb 22 04:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's traditional | Feb 22 04:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | plenty of budget for splashy co-branding without any real activism | Feb 22 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | the world bank goes around giving high interest loans out as a way to control third world countries | Feb 22 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | their leaders live in luxury even while everyone else dies of dysentary and AIDS | Feb 22 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | how do you spin doctor that? | Feb 22 04:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | watch and find out | Feb 22 04:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Stack really got the message of "Going Rogue". | Feb 22 04:11 | |
| DaemonFC | I like this new Rhythmbox better than Banshee | Feb 22 04:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@crikey_news Today's Crikey: A #nuclear waste dump for the #NT without consultation? http://bit.ly/c0wlls // is there money in it? #fraud | Feb 22 04:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's refreshing to see a competent distro not jumping on the Mono bandwagon just cause they can | Feb 22 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | *competant | Feb 22 04:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | competent* | Feb 22 04:14 |
| *DaemonFC has been up too long | Feb 22 04:15 | |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 22 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | and my spel check is not functioning | Feb 22 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | why is that? | Feb 22 04:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tosfm RT @TWI_news An Open Letter to Liz Cheney on #Torture http://bit.ly/bVCQcn // I'd add a few choice phrases. Malevolent hypocrites | Feb 22 04:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Politics-driven policy, over-intervention are increasing maternal mortality in US http://www.feministing.com/archives/020093.html #midwifery | Feb 22 04:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-February/088589.html | Feb 22 04:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @kibbe: Just found a #Royksopp fan on #chatroulette. YES! // #meme collision | Feb 22 04:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tosfm @nicoj #torture Guantanamo http://bit.ly/9vnXFQ // one man spent 4 *years* in solitary; do you know what that is like, Liz Cheney? | Feb 22 04:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.howtoforge.com/the-perfect-desktop-fedora-12-i686-gnome | Feb 22 04:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Perfectly Bloated Fedora Desktop ftw! | Feb 22 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | why would anyone need 5-6 pieces of software installed that do the same thing? | Feb 22 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | or 20 | Feb 22 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | and Fedora still has XMMS!? WTF!? | Feb 22 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | seriously what could be using GTK 1.x but XMMS? | Feb 22 05:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Sometimes best thng that can happen to a company is catastrophic loss of its src code repo..not even close to kidding" http://bit.ly/5VCu1P | Feb 22 05:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | "4 Disable SELinux" Bad advice | Feb 22 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/vancouver/hockey/2010-02-21-usa-canada_N.htm | Feb 22 05:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] This is hilarious. Voight-Kampff test meets cubicle farm. http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1141 #code #nerdery | Feb 22 05:22 | |
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| ender2070 | [23:53] <DaemonFC> why would anyone need 5-6 pieces of software installed that do the same thing? | Feb 22 05:25 |
| ender2070 | did you use the dvd to install "everything" ? | Feb 22 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | no | Feb 22 05:25 |
| ender2070 | xmms isnt on the livecd | Feb 22 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | that perfect desktop crap that guy posted | Feb 22 05:25 |
| ender2070 | ohhhh | Feb 22 05:26 |
| ender2070 | hes using i686 too | Feb 22 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | meh, it all applies to X86-64 | Feb 22 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | the repositories are more or less identical | Feb 22 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference is 32-bit or 64-bit | Feb 22 05:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it was common practice [at #SCO] & other companies to remove the #BSD copyright notices from...source code" http://bit.ly/dvZJcW #groklaw | Feb 22 05:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Embarrassing Dispatches From The SCO Front .::. Size~: 157.5 KB | Feb 22 05:27 |
| ender2070 | ohhh its that idiot | Feb 22 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can count the compatibility packages that the 64-bit version has to help 32-bit software run | Feb 22 05:27 |
| ender2070 | i wrote about one of his other articles last year | Feb 22 05:27 |
| ender2070 | his using i686 means one of two things | Feb 22 05:28 |
| ender2070 | 1) old pc | Feb 22 05:28 |
| ender2070 | 2) hes an idiot | Feb 22 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | I moved my dad over from OpenSuse to Ubuntu | Feb 22 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | a while back | Feb 22 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | he had all kinds of shit he didn't need on his Suse install | Feb 22 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | it was so old it still had reiserfs as its file system | Feb 22 05:29 |
| ender2070 | gotta have evolution AND thunderbird | Feb 22 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'd prefer just thunderbird | Feb 22 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Evolution, too bloated if all you use is email | Feb 22 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | Linux Mint drops Evolution for Thunderbird | Feb 22 05:30 |
| ender2070 | adobe reader and real player are stupid to use too | Feb 22 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Feb 22 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | Real Player | Feb 22 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | do they stil lexist? | Feb 22 05:30 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 22 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | RealPlayer for Windows is the most horrible thing ever | Feb 22 05:31 |
| ender2070 | the author suggests its use | Feb 22 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | and it still tries to rip everything to RealAudio | Feb 22 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | which doesn't work on ANY portables | Feb 22 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | I will give Real one thing though | Feb 22 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | their MP3 encoder is very nice | Feb 22 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | and open source | Feb 22 05:32 |
| ender2070 | i guess | Feb 22 05:32 |
| ender2070 | for an *mp3* encoder | Feb 22 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | meh, it's on par with LAME and about 6 times faster | Feb 22 05:32 |
| ender2070 | if you want mp3 files | Feb 22 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | if you have to batch encode a shit ton of FLACs and you want it done quickly, you want Helix MP3 | Feb 22 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | if you want slightly better quality and don't care how long the process drags on, use LAME | Feb 22 05:33 |
| ender2070 | I have a few lines of python code that can do that | Feb 22 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | Make LAME haul ass? | Feb 22 05:34 |
| ender2070 | no | Feb 22 05:34 |
| ender2070 | fuck LAME | Feb 22 05:34 |
| ender2070 | i dont want mp3 files | Feb 22 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | LAME is still the best quality MP3 you're going to get | Feb 22 05:34 |
| ender2070 | i dont want MP3 | Feb 22 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | but that's like world's tallest midget | Feb 22 05:34 |
| ender2070 | I want ogg or flac | Feb 22 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | I want Xiph.org to move it and merge Aotuv again already | Feb 22 05:35 |
| ender2070 | I backup all my cd's in flac, and also encode to ogg for actual use | Feb 22 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | god damn, you know they're about as slow as the FSF | Feb 22 05:35 |
| ender2070 | if something comes out better than ogg, i can reencode from flac | Feb 22 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | go a year and get 3 bugs fixed after politics tears the shit out of the merge planning | Feb 22 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | no, seriously, Xiph.org need to shove 1.3.0 out like, yesterday | Feb 22 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | and merge all of Aoyumi's patch set | Feb 22 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | the longer this drags out, the more bugs that have fixes available stay in EVERY Linux distribution | Feb 22 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/releases/12/Everything/x86_64/os/repoview/Mosaic.html | Feb 22 05:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: RepoView: RPM Fusion (Fedora - nonfree - released) 12 (x86_64) .::. Size~: 6.29 KB | Feb 22 05:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "Idiots can be defeated, but they just never admit it." ~RMS. | Feb 22 06:14 | |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 22 06:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Draconian move RT @sunil_abraham: India Seeks Jail For GM Food Critics http://bit.ly/dsn43g | Feb 22 06:20 | |
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| balzac | >_> | Feb 22 06:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] I am at Jaipur now for next one week for workshop on Public Software (aka FOSS) looking forward to meet LUGJ guys, all contacts are welcome | Feb 22 06:48 | |
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| *DaemonFC did a bad thing | Feb 22 06:55 | |
| *DaemonFC patched over MESA with some Fedora 13 packages and rpm --nodeps to speed up his Youtube vids :D | Feb 22 06:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #ACTA wants to criminalize Free Software users who view DVD's with CSS. | Feb 22 08:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #ACTA recomenda o corte do acesso à internet à lá "3 ofensas" francesa. | Feb 22 08:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Não admira que testejam a esconder o texto ou a mentir sobre ele, a disseminação pública dele incentiva a revolta dos cidadãos.. | Feb 22 08:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Yay! The MS RT Bot is advertising my site for me! Good "old" Microsoft! Maybe it liked my article on "Trustworthy Computing"? | Feb 22 08:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Even the average reader of the Harvard Business Review has a gut appreciation for the fundamental unfairness of swpats: http://i5.be/avI | Feb 22 08:41 | |
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| cubezzz | how can anyone criminalize DVD viewing? | Feb 22 09:05 |
| cubezzz | it's just stupid | Feb 22 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, no distro wants to touch libdvdcss cause of US laws | Feb 22 09:07 |
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| DaemonFC | yet they all seem to be shipping Mono at the same time as refusing to ship libdvdcss | Feb 22 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | If I was putting a distribution together, I might throw in libdvdcss, I'd never put Mono in it | Feb 22 09:09 |
| cubezzz | you're joking right? | Feb 22 09:09 |
| cubezzz | I mean my fc1 can play DVDs | Feb 22 09:10 |
| cubezzz | that's 2004 | Feb 22 09:10 |
| cubezzz | it's part of mplayer even | Feb 22 09:10 |
| cubezzz | they _might_ be able to lock some people out of bluray | Feb 22 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | doubt it | Feb 22 09:12 |
| cubezzz | regarding libdvdcss the source is downloadable :) | Feb 22 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's not even that complicated | Feb 22 09:12 |
| cubezzz | this ACTA stuff looks really silly | Feb 22 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's just an overglorified pseudorandom number generator as I understand it | Feb 22 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | just keeps brute forcing til a generated key unlocks the disc | Feb 22 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I will _never_ buy something I don't have guaranteed access to | Feb 22 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | libdvdcss is the reason I have bought any DVDs | Feb 22 09:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FSF asks Google to make VP8 a free open codec for the web: http://i5.be/avJ | Feb 22 09:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open letter to Google: free VP8, and use it on YouTube - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 31.31 KB | Feb 22 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | people are bonehead stupid to be buying Blu Ray discs without the assurance that they can access the disc on their own terms | Feb 22 09:15 |
| cubezzz | they can | Feb 22 09:16 |
| cubezzz | the doom9 guys have just about everything figured out now | Feb 22 09:16 |
| cubezzz | that's why I said _some_ people will be locked out... | Feb 22 09:16 |
| cubezzz | but only due to lack of knowledge | Feb 22 09:17 |
| cubezzz | and some people enjoy cracking stuff | Feb 22 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy to hide something from people who are ignorant to the fact that there is something to look for | Feb 22 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's their own fault | Feb 22 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | successful DRM is like a parasite that can thrive as long as people don't know it's there | Feb 22 09:19 |
| cubezzz | like Agent Smith would say.... it's inevitable | Feb 22 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | DRM tends to be careful not to announce itself | Feb 22 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | if all you know is that you have a disc that plays in the player, you're unlikely to be aware that the DRM is on the disc | Feb 22 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's also why Microsoft has preactivation systems for OEM Windows | Feb 22 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | nobody sees it so it doesn't exist | Feb 22 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | it pops out and attacks now and then | Feb 22 09:21 |
| cubezzz | I'll coin a new term: software churn | Feb 22 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | like Le Chupacabre | Feb 22 09:21 |
| cubezzz | endless upgraded for no real reason | Feb 22 09:22 |
| cubezzz | endless upgrades | Feb 22 09:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Downtimes and Lack of #Liability as Reason to Avoid #Microsoft Online http://ur1.ca/n394 #azure #server | Feb 22 09:23 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Downtimes and Lack of Liability as Reasons to Avoid Microsoft Online | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.29 KB | Feb 22 09:23 |
| cubezzz | oh I do use Microsoft for one thing :) | Feb 22 09:23 |
| cubezzz | getting the KID so I can remove the DRM from stuff | Feb 22 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | Why is Jamendo proliferating MP3 files? | Feb 22 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | and why is Fedora linking to this? | Feb 22 09:24 |
| cubezzz | because there's tons of mp3 players? | Feb 22 09:24 |
| cubezzz | see, that's why Zaurus is pretty good | Feb 22 09:25 |
| cubezzz | you got mplayer on there | Feb 22 09:25 |
| cubezzz | so you have pretty good control over things | Feb 22 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/48907 | Feb 22 09:25 |
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| DaemonFC | yes, the RIAA better watch itself :) | Feb 22 09:26 |
| cubezzz | it shouldn't be too hard to go from wma -> ogg | Feb 22 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | ewwww | Feb 22 09:26 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Feb 22 09:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] State of X.Org Foundation and year of mobile linux. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAwNQ | Feb 22 09:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] The State of The X.Org Foundation 2010 .::. Size~: 16.3 KB | Feb 22 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | you bitch about MP3 | Feb 22 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | but you're willing to transcode from WMA? | Feb 22 09:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] LOL, I'm following a couple of M$ Evangelists now. These guys are realy nuts. Believe their own nonsense and Lies. | Feb 22 09:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Amazon testimony in front of Congress on 1-click patent, software patents and patent trolls: http://i5.be/avK | Feb 22 09:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Civil Society must enforce RTP over #RTI "Responsibility to publish (RTP) everything on web by Government using open standards" | Feb 22 10:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Invests Heavily in Denial of #GlobalWarming and in Abusive Monopolies http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/22/bill-gates-and-exxon/ | Feb 22 10:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bill Gates Invests Heavily in Deception About Global Warming and in Abusive Monopolies | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.97 KB | Feb 22 10:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Media Seemingly Masquerades as Government Media http://ur1.ca/n3ho finally it makes sense | Feb 22 11:11 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Media Seemingly Masquerades as Government Media | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.84 KB | Feb 22 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015075o-2000498448b,00.htm | Feb 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | "Some very interesting reading in this story about Windows inherent lack of security being exploited. Read it and make your own judgment. I can hear the Windows apologists' shrieks now... "correctly configured, thoroughly protected, with Anti-Virus software, Anti-Spyware protection, Internet Security suites, blah, blah, blah..."." | Feb 22 11:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 112.88 KB | Feb 22 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Basic logical people install from random sources. Get random quality software. | Feb 22 11:31 |
| oiaohm | I had to remove a fake antivirus today. | Feb 22 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Only the same one on 8 machines. | Feb 22 11:31 |
| cubezzz | umm | Feb 22 11:34 |
| cubezzz | that's not really logical :) | Feb 22 11:34 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah I've done that too | Feb 22 11:35 |
| cubezzz | you see oiaohm, that's a bad assumption | Feb 22 11:35 |
| cubezzz | the reality is, unless you've seen the source code and understand it, it's a risk | Feb 22 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Case of this one appears to work good so they recommend to there friends. | Feb 22 11:36 |
| cubezzz | any binary, who knows what's in it? | Feb 22 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Some people you have as friends you don't need ememyies | Feb 22 11:36 |
| cubezzz | right :) | Feb 22 11:36 |
| cubezzz | it sucks up all your time | Feb 22 11:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure you would rather not be fixing windows boxes | Feb 22 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Depends if they are paying me 50 dollars a hour or not. | Feb 22 11:37 |
| cubezzz | yes well... :) | Feb 22 11:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Crawls into Bed with #Washington , Seattle Times Still in Denial http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/22/washington-tax-games/ #tax | Feb 22 11:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Crawls Into Bed With Washington, Seattle Times Still in Denial | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.72 KB | Feb 22 11:39 |
| cubezzz | the world is mediocre | Feb 22 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Now I hate the windows user beg for help. | Feb 22 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Ie free help. | Feb 22 11:41 |
| cubezzz | and you just can't protect your computer without some understanding of the pitfalls there are now | Feb 22 11:41 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 22 11:41 |
| cubezzz | IE help even :) | Feb 22 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Yet I nornally will give a Linux users a few hours for nothing. | Feb 22 11:41 |
| oiaohm | I am not exactly what you call non bias. | Feb 22 11:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Nice! "Please say Fedora" http://blog.nixternal.com/2010.02.18/please-say-fedora/ !fedora | Feb 22 11:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Please say Fedora :: Richard A. Johnson .::. Size~: 68.8 KB | Feb 22 11:42 |
| cubezzz | I usually charge $30 CAN per hour unless it's a friend who brings pizza | Feb 22 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Note I do network administration. | Feb 22 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Cleaning out a windows network at between 50 to 100 dollars a hour. | Feb 22 11:44 |
| oiaohm | I don't mind at all. | Feb 22 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Now having to do the single machines where you only make like 20 dollar a hour boy that suxs. | Feb 22 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Lot of businesses that have to deal with goverment here are forced to use windows. So it was not there own willing dumb option as well. | Feb 22 11:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] now *everyone* here has the vomiting liquishits! yay! here's to norovirus. UNCLEAN. | Feb 22 11:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] if you have pdf file and images inside it, just run command pdftohtml to getthose images. #bash #commands | Feb 22 12:01 | |
| oiaohm | Uptime: 1 hours and 1 minutes | Feb 22 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Ok scripts work. | Feb 22 12:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Resorts to Blame Games (Against Exploiters of Microsoft’s Own Flaws and Against #Google ) http://ur1.ca/n3nd | Feb 22 12:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Resorts to Blame Games (Against Exploiters of Microsofts Own Flaws and Against Google) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.75 KB | Feb 22 12:39 |
| cubezzz | what is a chipod? | Feb 22 13:01 |
| cubezzz | oh, it's a music thingie | Feb 22 13:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Feeling bleh :-\ , Mummyy, i need more coffee! | Feb 22 13:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Grouping of the latest news about #Mono at #Novell and developments at #Canonical http://ur1.ca/n3x4 #ubuntu #yahoo | Feb 22 13:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Workshop on "Public Software for Social Sector-Principles and Practice" Jaipur 25 Feb 2010 http://post.ly/P4eg | Feb 22 13:41 | |
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| cubezzz | ok, this is funny | Feb 22 13:44 |
| cubezzz | I bought this song, it's probably World War One era or older | Feb 22 13:45 |
| cubezzz | John McCormack | Feb 22 13:45 |
| cubezzz | and guess what? It had DRM :) | Feb 22 13:45 |
| cubezzz | thank you so much puretracks.com | Feb 22 13:45 |
| cubezzz | so I have to remove the DRM then convert from hellicious wma to ogg | Feb 22 13:46 |
| cubezzz | just to give you an idea just how old this stuff is: | Feb 22 13:48 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCormack_(tenor) | Feb 22 13:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: Opinion of the European Data Protection Supervisor on the current #ACTA negotiations: http://is.gd/8VFeO | Feb 22 13:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jzim: #ACTA : menace et incompatibilité avec la législation européenne confirmées http://ur1.ca/n3q4 #HADOPI #CopyrightMafia | Feb 22 13:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Ubuntu Manual - 48 Hours" http://bit.ly/bzvXZ7 | Feb 22 13:59 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu Manual 48 Hours | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 24.07 KB | Feb 22 13:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] is there any cms to manage conference/workshop organising tasks #cms | Feb 22 14:05 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] yikes:D i am now following @shreyaghoshal in twitter. She is my fav :-) | Feb 22 14:07 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: maybe they don't want you to buy music | Feb 22 14:18 |
| schestowitz | They'd rather you rented it | Feb 22 14:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] The Brian Jonestown Massacre's "Let's Go Fucking Mental" has a nice rythm for wor. | Feb 22 14:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] work | Feb 22 14:25 | |
| oiaohm | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/22/3 Hmm really the lack of features to add is starting to turn up strange things. | Feb 22 14:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualVentures “a Combination Mob Protection Racket + #Ponzi Monetization Scheme” http://ur1.ca/n41x | Feb 22 14:30 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intellectual Ventures “a Combination Mob Protection Racket + Ponzi Monetization Scheme” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.75 KB | Feb 22 14:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] If Aliens come w/ fabulous technologies but closed & human has no control over. Will we accept them? Then why accept M$. they are aliens | Feb 22 14:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tessier | Feb 22 15:00 |
| schestowitz | * trmanco | Feb 22 15:00 |
| trmanco | hey schestowitz | Feb 22 15:00 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] !Songbird has really matured since I first used one of the early nightly builds, and I think it's time I stick with it | Feb 22 15:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another University Dumps #Novell Mail, #VMware ’s Parent Helps #Zimbra ’s Direct Rival http://ur1.ca/n45d | Feb 22 15:05 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Another University Dumps Novell Mail, VMwares Parent Helps Zimbras Direct Rival | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.24 KB | Feb 22 15:05 |
| oiaohm | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/336938 Hmm | Feb 22 15:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jzim: European privacy protection authority condemns #ACTA http://ur1.ca/n442 A serious blow to the negotiators! #ThreeStrikes | Feb 22 15:13 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Google-officially-jams-Gears-936582.html Nice news | Feb 22 15:17 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-Browser-Ballot-arrives-this-week-77-of-UK-don-t-know-it-s-coming-936980.html?view=zoom;zoom=2 Hmm how random | Feb 22 15:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BoingBoing: EU Data Protection czar comes out against ACTA; EU analysis of leaked ACTA chapter http://bit.ly/cyEou9 | Feb 22 15:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #dfd2010 Document Freedom Day is approaching! | Feb 22 15:54 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Feb 22 16:33 |
| _Goblin | hi | Feb 22 16:41 |
| _Goblin | bit delayed there. | Feb 22 16:41 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: hi | Feb 22 16:41 |
| _Goblin | just been playing about with Puppy Arcade 7....great fun | Feb 22 16:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: oh what's that? | Feb 22 16:45 |
| _Goblin | A distro aimed at Emulation.....covers loads of systems... | Feb 22 16:45 |
| _Goblin | very good. | Feb 22 16:46 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Feb 22 16:46 |
| _Goblin | you don't visit my site then....;) | Feb 22 16:46 |
| _Goblin | I interviewed the creator and have been banging on about it for months. | Feb 22 16:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Gadgets/Hardware Business is Collapsing ( #Zune , #Xbox , #Mobile ) http://bit.ly/an633I | Feb 22 17:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tosfm @Gr8RDH @tpmmedia #Torture memo author you've never heard of: http://tpm.ly/9uls0e / Let the record show: Jennifer Koester Hardy | Feb 22 17:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sharepoint Server (MOSS) 2007 Administrator - Montreal - 1 year contract - (skills) - IIS, Sharepoint and MOSS 2007... http://ff.im/gn53b | Feb 22 17:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Randall Kennedy fooled his own employer (IDG), but the claim that Vista 7 is a pig remains in tact | Feb 22 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you advertise MSFT? | Feb 22 17:43 |
| MinceR | apparently | Feb 22 17:44 |
| MinceR | last time he advertised slowlaris :> | Feb 22 17:45 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no | Feb 22 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | a recruiter sent me a contract opportunity in Mtl | Feb 22 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm conflicted whether to feed it in case a follower could use it | Feb 22 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | Friendfeed's interface won't let me Edit to add explanatory text tho | Feb 22 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | so i gave up | Feb 22 17:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all! Off to an unexpected start, but plenty of Ubuntu fun today. :-) How are you all doing, friends? | Feb 22 17:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Randall Kennedy is a Scam, But #Vista7 is Still Bloated http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/22/randall-kennedy-on-the-vista-pig/ | Feb 22 17:54 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | good headline | Feb 22 17:54 |
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| sebsebseb | Feb 22 18:01 | |
| sebsebseb | Feb 22 18:01 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: something I hate is how loads of organisations business's and such still use Internet Explorer 6! | Feb 22 18:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Nice !quote "Life is like a Lambourghini. It goes too fast and it costs too much." (via @g33f). | Feb 22 18:02 | |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: re: IE6 we still use it! | Feb 22 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that does not suprise me | Feb 22 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I was thinking something like that or whatever earlier | Feb 22 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | anyway it's pathetic | Feb 22 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | it's a joke really | Feb 22 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | even Microsoft want people to no longer use IE6 | Feb 22 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | and loads of business's and such still do | Feb 22 18:08 |
| MinceR | no surprise | Feb 22 18:10 |
| MinceR | it probably runs on winblows versions no newer ie will run on | Feb 22 18:10 |
| MinceR | so m$ would want those people to buy newer winblows licenses :> | Feb 22 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: nah people can do Internet Explorer 8 in XP as well | Feb 22 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | and IE7 | Feb 22 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | it's IE 6 on XP, that loads of business's and such are still doing :( | Feb 22 18:11 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I cannot understand why all Enterprise simply migrate to FF..its proven to be far more solid. | Feb 22 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | one reason I don't want to work in Windows IT | Feb 22 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | I would have to support mornoic software choices from those in charge | Feb 22 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yep plus it has most market share now than any version of IE on it's own, it's just with older versions of IE, IE still has most of that market | Feb 22 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | I think most of today's IE 6 market share, is business's and such that haven't upgraded to a later version of IE or to a better browser | Feb 22 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | not home users | Feb 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | and what about winblows 2000 and winblows nt 3 and 4? | Feb 22 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: some home users will still be using 2000 | Feb 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | enterprises might be relying on broken "web"apps that rely on ie bugs | Feb 22 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | nt3 and 4 is more of a business thing, not much of that out there still being used today, I guess? | Feb 22 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well there is that yes | Feb 22 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | the intranet stuff | Feb 22 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they could have a better browser for the web | Feb 22 18:13 |
| MinceR | and RadioActiveX | Feb 22 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then we get this, only one program for a task, stupidity thing | Feb 22 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | it seems we have to wait untill 2012 or 2014 | Feb 22 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | for IE 6 to proerly die | Feb 22 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | unless loads of websites stop supporting it, Google have already started doing that | Feb 22 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | XP was going to die this year, but then extended by four years, that means IE 6 as well hrm | Feb 22 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | I bought a computer magazine earlier, yeah aimed at Windows users. so not really for me, decided to buy anyway. Yes a bit of a waste of money really, but oh well. Been a while since I bought anything like that. Anyway Ubuntu got mentioned twice briefly in the magazine :) | Feb 22 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | and it was telling people about propritary security programs and so on hrm | Feb 22 18:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | the problem perceived by many people is not so much that Ffx, etc, are better browsers, but the ridiculous added costs of supporting IE[6] | Feb 22 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | billions of wasted effort | Feb 22 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | oh jono other people mentioning Ubuntu on TV and in magazines and such, but no Canonical adverts yet | Feb 22 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: IE 6 isn't that secure also, but yet people are using it for their email accounts and what not | Feb 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: right, windows | Feb 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: keyloggers | Feb 22 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it really annoys me when I go some where | Feb 22 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | to some place | Feb 22 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | how could any reasonable person feel secure using it for online banking | Feb 22 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | and the computers | Feb 22 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | and yep XP and IE 6 uh | Feb 22 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: sure, but most users that use it for that are ignorant, and so don't know | Feb 22 18:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 22 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I woudn't trust logging into any online account, on one of those computers | Feb 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | in some organisatoin that has XP and IE 6 | Feb 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | also it's worrying how goverment organisations have data about us stored on Windows | Feb 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | locked in proprietary, also | Feb 22 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | data theft must be bigger than we are told | Feb 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | yep and there's that as well | Feb 22 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | propritary formats | Feb 22 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | the computer world doesn't really make me feel good at all, except for opensource/freesoftware | Feb 22 18:21 |
| MinceR | http://fukung.net/v/18156/3123995890_010918e635.jpg | Feb 22 18:22 |
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| sebsebseb | hardare makers, well it's about making a profit | Feb 22 18:22 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] This happens time to time in #emacs-in http://pastebin.com/f37c1ac10 @abbe :D #fun | Feb 22 18:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool .::. Size~: 19.86 KB | Feb 22 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | Windows security is big business, which could be partly why Micosoft don't put in quite a lot of time, to improve Windows security by a long way | Feb 22 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | even if I do something non technical as a job, I would still have to use shitty software choices probably | Feb 22 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | it's ashame | Feb 22 18:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's also why Windows rot won't be addressed. they profit when ppl turn over the hardware believing it's "too slow". | Feb 22 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no incentive to make it efficient and long-lived | Feb 22 18:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #Windows Home #Server and #OOXML Have in Common: They Corrupt Data http://bit.ly/aIMEKF | Feb 22 18:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Humming "Happy birthday dear @gbraad, happy birthday, to you!" lowly at his workplace while a few coworkers look strangely at him. | Feb 22 18:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Windows Home Server and OOXML Have in Common: They Corrupt Data | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.42 KB | Feb 22 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: Windows rot? computers slowing down and such you mean? | Feb 22 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 22 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | "appearing to" slow down... | Feb 22 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | yeah and they can get away with stuff like that | Feb 22 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course it's just poor design | Feb 22 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | since most users are ingorant | Feb 22 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's profitable | Feb 22 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | ignorant above | Feb 22 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | consuermism is ok when it comes to other things, but computers it really isn't | Feb 22 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | ok well houses and new cars are going to be rather expensive to buy, when they should probably be sold cheaper really moralley | Feb 22 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | anyway ignorant little consumers yeah | Feb 22 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | that's how these technology companies see us | Feb 22 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | and a lot of these computer magazines as well for that matter | Feb 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | vicious circle | Feb 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | the consumer is the hamster in the wheel ): | Feb 22 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 22 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I don't like being some where and seeing people using IE 6, or even worse having to use it myself, but not much I can do really | Feb 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | as a web dev i can say that supporting it is extremely costly | Feb 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like a different web. | Feb 22 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah I wanted to be a pro website creater | Feb 22 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | untill I reolized that | Feb 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | first you code for the standard Web, then you code for the Microsoft web | Feb 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | doubles the effort | Feb 22 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | still', it's a self correcting situation | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | the sites I had made weren't that good really by a long way, and also when I found out that IE 6 would be a right pain to support | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | for a proper site | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I know | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | first you code for standards compliant browsers | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | then for IE | Feb 22 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | either the web standardises on MS(their dream) or they get marginalised and the standard web wins (which is what will actually happen) | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I am a bit annoyed actsaully a site I hand coded back in 2004 | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | a basic site | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | which is what the guy wanted, well it got replaced about three months ago or something like that | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | with a damn Frontpage site, so bad code yeah :( | Feb 22 18:29 |
| cubezzz | no, first I code for the web, then I'm finished :) | Feb 22 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: that guy didn't know I hand coded and such though, he doesn't know about web standards, and webpage coding | Feb 22 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: and he probably still uses Internet Explorer, but you know that's a joke really, to have a site that was hand coded that validated, to be replaced by a Frontpage site | Feb 22 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | however the site didn't look that good, but if he wanted better he could have told me. | Feb 22 18:30 |
| cubezzz | you have to have the balls to say no to Microsoft jobs | Feb 22 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: uh? | Feb 22 18:31 |
| cubezzz | at least that's what I do | Feb 22 18:32 |
| cubezzz | avoid the Microsoft jobs | Feb 22 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: yep that's what I am going to do | Feb 22 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | however that will mean | Feb 22 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | I will end up working something that isn't technical, probably | Feb 22 18:32 |
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| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I wanted to work in IT | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then reality hit me | Feb 22 18:34 |
| cubezzz | you still can | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | like it or not, I would have to work doing Microsoft junk | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | if I was to work in IT | Feb 22 18:34 |
| ender2070 | hey anyone use drupal ? | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | unless I became self employeed some how | Feb 22 18:34 |
| cubezzz | I use drupal | Feb 22 18:34 |
| MinceR | there are non-m$, non-windows jobs in IT | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh and proggramming uhmm I don't program, but if I did | Feb 22 18:34 |
| ender2070 | do you know of any modules for a reverse count down? | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | I woudn't write propritary software | Feb 22 18:34 |
| cubezzz | nope :) | Feb 22 18:34 |
| ender2070 | such as counting up from a specific date | Feb 22 18:34 |
| ender2070 | boo :( | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well not jobs that will take me at the moment | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: or probably not anyway | Feb 22 18:34 |
| ender2070 | i tried searching, i might have to write one | Feb 22 18:34 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 22 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | plus they won't be around here | Feb 22 18:35 |
| cubezzz | I'd ask in the drupal forums though if I needed that | Feb 22 18:35 |
| ender2070 | oooo good idea | Feb 22 18:35 |
| MinceR | also, the "won't write proprietary software" criterion is much harder to fulfill, afaik | Feb 22 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I don't program | Feb 22 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am more of a support person | Feb 22 18:35 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 22 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | I enjoy helping people with computer, getting them away from Windows, or at least dual booting | Feb 22 18:35 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure I like Fedora 12 :-/ | Feb 22 18:35 |
| cubezzz | it's being a pain in the butt | Feb 22 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: most of my computer help has been online | Feb 22 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | on IRC yeah | Feb 22 18:36 |
| ender2070 | ty cubezzz | Feb 22 18:36 |
| ender2070 | whats wrong with F12? | Feb 22 18:36 |
| cubezzz | I can't compile mplayer for pulse | Feb 22 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am wating for the times to change | Feb 22 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and when it does enough, maybe then i'll work in technology | Feb 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | why not? | Feb 22 18:37 |
| MinceR | what work do you do now, sebsebseb? | Feb 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | and did u check rpmfusion's ? | Feb 22 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | now I just think this computer stuff is a hobby, and i'll have to do something else as a job | Feb 22 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: unemployeed | Feb 22 18:37 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, no, I want to compile from source | Feb 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | what type of errors are you getting | Feb 22 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i agree with the general approach you take. at a previous job we managed to avoid browser specific code | Feb 22 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: but heavy use of CSS means that most of your standards compliant coed will simply break on IE6 | Feb 22 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you don't have a computer job by choice or? | Feb 22 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: there's no way of avoiding the extra effort/cost | Feb 22 18:38 |
| ender2070 | i'd advise you try #fedora-devel - they might be able to help with compiling errors | Feb 22 18:38 |
| cubezzz | yeah ender2070, I'll look at it later :) | Feb 22 18:39 |
| ender2070 | those guys kick ass | Feb 22 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: sometimes interests don't really work out carrerwise, and so end up doing something else | Feb 22 18:39 |
| cubezzz | they won't like me though :) | Feb 22 18:39 |
| ender2070 | sure they will | Feb 22 18:39 |
| ender2070 | as long as you dont ask any dumb user-level questions | Feb 22 18:39 |
| ender2070 | such as where is my K menu? | Feb 22 18:39 |
| cubezzz | a guy who uses fc1 a lot? and Linux 2.4? :) | Feb 22 18:39 |
| ender2070 | you know what you're doing, you should be fine | Feb 22 18:40 |
| cubezzz | I might just revert back to 11 | Feb 22 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: What do you do? | Feb 22 18:40 |
| cubezzz | I'm just more used to 2.4 stuff | Feb 22 18:40 |
| ender2070 | did you see if fedora/redhat had to use any patches on their mplayer | Feb 22 18:40 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, it seems that f12 takes a hard line on mp3 stuff | Feb 22 18:41 |
| MinceR | recently i was a software developer, now i'm looking for a new job | Feb 22 18:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Typing this on the most cheap-ass Chinese made keyboard ever. "Aron" brand. Works though. Loud enough to really annoy Skype conferencees | Feb 22 18:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Anyone know how to show PDF pages or slides in ustream.tv? | Feb 22 18:41 | |
| ender2070 | f-anything does | Feb 22 18:41 |
| cubezzz | so I might just convert all my audio to ogg | Feb 22 18:41 |
| cubezzz | no | Feb 22 18:41 |
| ender2070 | oh yes | Feb 22 18:41 |
| cubezzz | that's not true | Feb 22 18:41 |
| ender2070 | its their policy | Feb 22 18:41 |
| cubezzz | fc1 didn't | Feb 22 18:41 |
| ender2070 | since about f8 i think | Feb 22 18:42 |
| cubezzz | ok then :) | Feb 22 18:42 |
| cubezzz | to me, that's still new | Feb 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Feb 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | rpmfusion exists for that reason | Feb 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | stuff fedora/redhat is too paranoid to ship | Feb 22 18:42 |
| cubezzz | I'll just convert to ogg, it's a good idea anyways | Feb 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | lawl | Feb 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | im at the library right now | Feb 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | there a book, Fedora Core 2 for dummies w/ CD | Feb 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | need an upgrade? ;) | Feb 22 18:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Early stages, B/shock 2 feels like Fat Of The Land from The Prodigy, liked previous not sure about what followed. I am fool that rushed in | Feb 22 18:43 | |
| cubezzz | nah :) | Feb 22 18:43 |
| cubezzz | I am really happy with my fc1 box | Feb 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | :) | Feb 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | im a 2.6.0 pioneer | Feb 22 18:43 |
| cubezzz | highly modded you know :) | Feb 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | i jumped over asap | Feb 22 18:43 |
| cubezzz | I bet I got the most modern fc1 on the planet | Feb 22 18:44 |
| ender2070 | i had suse 8 or 9 and grabbed an experimental kernel upgrade | Feb 22 18:44 |
| ender2070 | when yast was still Qt | Feb 22 18:45 |
| cubezzz | I have an F10 box, a F11 box and a F12 box | Feb 22 18:45 |
| cubezzz | plus Embedix, and fc1 | Feb 22 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | FC1 :) | Feb 22 18:46 |
| cubezzz | I'm FC1-man :) | Feb 22 18:46 |
| ender2070 | my friend thought FC1 was funny because it still had a lot of redhat branding and path names | Feb 22 18:47 |
| cubezzz | I'm almost at the point now where I understand all my modules | Feb 22 18:47 |
| cubezzz | yes, that's true | Feb 22 18:47 |
| ender2070 | he made his own kernel to hack wifi at the time | Feb 22 18:47 |
| cubezzz | it's like when Scotty went on the new Enterprise, and started bitching about everything | Feb 22 18:48 |
| ender2070 | lol | Feb 22 18:49 |
| ender2070 | I guess you could view it in that perspective | Feb 22 18:50 |
| ender2070 | I view it with a perspective that constant evolution will deliver perfection | Feb 22 18:50 |
| ender2070 | out with the old, in with the new | Feb 22 18:50 |
| cubezzz | New isn't always better | Feb 22 18:50 |
| ender2070 | as long as it works | Feb 22 18:50 |
| ender2070 | usually the case for me | Feb 22 18:51 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: My job uses computers for admin, but no, its as far removed from computing as you can get. | Feb 22 18:51 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah exactly even these non technical jobs | Feb 22 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | will use computers | Feb 22 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | and they tend to use XP and IE 6 these days :( | Feb 22 18:51 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: yep. thats my work combo | Feb 22 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: some moron in charage and then yep that | Feb 22 18:52 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, a lot of devs still use 2.4 kernel for things | Feb 22 18:52 |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and get this...most of our apps are custom browser based...theres no need for us to even be using Windows or IE | Feb 22 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | well when XP runs out of support properly | Feb 22 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | IE 6 will pretty much die | Feb 22 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | unless it already happended | Feb 22 18:53 |
| cubezzz | It's dead Jim | Feb 22 18:53 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - really? I don't think I agree other than legacy systems | Feb 22 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | also when XP runs out I guess can't just upgrade to Windows 8 ( whatever it's going to be called ) | Feb 22 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | so quite a lot more clean installs, and people buying new computers | Feb 22 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | and so all of a sudden | Feb 22 18:53 |
| cubezzz | routers? TVs? that leap-frog thing? :) | Feb 22 18:54 |
| ender2070 | sebsebseb - Windows 8 is 128-bit, think of the ram requirements | Feb 22 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | quite a lot of less computers, that aren't being used as part of a botnet anymore? | Feb 22 18:54 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - they use 2.4? theres so many power saving advancements made to 2.6 due to powertop | Feb 22 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: so complain to whoever is in charge of the IT? oh right yeah, probably not much point, since they won't listen to you probably | Feb 22 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: uh? | Feb 22 18:54 |
| *FurnaceBoy dropped 2.4 ~ 205 | Feb 22 18:54 | |
| FurnaceBoy | 2005* | Feb 22 18:54 |
| cubezzz | maybe the backport some stuff | Feb 22 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: you mean like 64bit? | Feb 22 18:54 |
| ender2070 | sebsebseb- 128-bit | Feb 22 18:55 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: lol...spot on. | Feb 22 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: tickless, etc | Feb 22 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: 16bit 32bit 64bit and now 128bit ???? | Feb 22 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: moore's law baby | Feb 22 18:55 |
| ender2070 | according to ms win8 will support it | Feb 22 18:55 |
| *FurnaceBoy giggles | Feb 22 18:55 | |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: IE9 will be standards compliant, too! | Feb 22 18:55 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 22 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: uh I hope so | Feb 22 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: no really this time it's true! | Feb 22 18:56 |
| ender2070 | its really a joke, the 128 bit comment - but they do claim to support it | Feb 22 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: they finally worked out how to do it | Feb 22 18:56 |
| _Goblin | win8 will support everything..acording to MS...they will say anything to make a sale....http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/microsoft-trustworthy-computing/ | Feb 22 18:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Trustworthy Computing?!? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 40.24 KB | Feb 22 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | IE 8 was going to have standards mode by default, but then it didn't happen or whatever | Feb 22 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | don't know that much about IE 8 | Feb 22 18:56 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: it will be better next time | Feb 22 18:56 |
| cubezzz | I know windows 10 will be 100% FOSS right? :) | Feb 22 18:56 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - tickletss, etc | Feb 22 18:56 |
| ender2070 | tickless | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it's propritary software | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | development is slow | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | except a new version every three years or so for OS's | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | that are propritary | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | anyway 2014 | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | around then Windows 8 will come out | Feb 22 18:57 |
| ender2070 | c# 4 is out right? perhaps when they write their os on it, it will create that much more bloat | Feb 22 18:57 |
| ender2070 | hence, 128-bit | Feb 22 18:57 |
| _Goblin | "it will be better next time" is what the MS faithful say when a problem is found. | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | maybe 2012 even, after all that's when Microsoft want business's to leave XP by the latest | Feb 22 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that's what the Ubuntu people say as well | Feb 22 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | when there is something that isn't liked | Feb 22 18:58 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, my router is relatively new, it's definitely got 2.4 | Feb 22 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | and later Ubuntu's hrm | Feb 22 18:58 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - what router | Feb 22 18:58 |
| cubezzz | dlink di-604up | Feb 22 18:58 |
| ender2070 | what makes you think it has linux? | Feb 22 18:58 |
| _Goblin | but in my experience with Ubuntu it is....I know 9.10 was slated, but I found the opposite, it has been rock solid. | Feb 22 18:58 |
| cubezzz | I have the source code :) | Feb 22 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: features got removed in 9.10 | Feb 22 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: good features | Feb 22 18:59 |
| ender2070 | do they say why they dont use 2.6 | Feb 22 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,because of silly upstreams | Feb 22 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | Grub 2 is not needed | Feb 22 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2 is not needed | Feb 22 18:59 |
| ender2070 | perhaps d-link is afraid of SCO? | Feb 22 18:59 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Feb 22 19:00 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: The one I noticed was the networking options from the task bar where I could set a temp DNS server....now I have to do a gedit of resolv.conf | Feb 22 19:00 |
| cubezzz | not sure really why | Feb 22 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: bye bye icons in system menu and all of places, well that's already happended, it can be turned on quite eaily graphically, but that feature has been removed now as well in 10.04 development | Feb 22 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: so now it's a gconf editor jobby | Feb 22 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | to put the icons back on | Feb 22 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | silly upstream Gnome | Feb 22 19:01 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - iirc, SCO claimed it owned features added to 2.6 | Feb 22 19:01 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Ive made a bash script to do it. | Feb 22 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | messing with it twice unessariley before Gnome 3, that's GDM 2 and that icons thing | Feb 22 19:01 |
| ender2070 | NUMA and some other things | Feb 22 19:01 |
| ender2070 | but anyways, my router is powered by 2.6 | Feb 22 19:02 |
| ender2070 | so its better | Feb 22 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also silly Ubuntu for having a version of Grub 2, that has issues when it comes to booting up other distros, well that's what I was told by one of the Ubuntu ops | Feb 22 19:02 |
| ender2070 | :P | Feb 22 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: something about how it can't just boot up other distros | Feb 22 19:02 |
| cubezzz | :-P | Feb 22 19:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070 | perhaps d-link is afraid of SCO? <------ bwahahahahaha | Feb 22 19:03 |
| ender2070 | yes | Feb 22 19:03 |
| cubezzz | I'll switch to 2.6 when 2.8 comes out :) | Feb 22 19:03 |
| ender2070 | I was joking obviously, hehe | Feb 22 19:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Feb 22 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Did a test to use jack transport with Blender and Ardour3, both getting together quite nice! | Feb 22 19:03 | |
| FurnaceBoy | nice one :) | Feb 22 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: more "consumer shit" in 10.04 | Feb 22 19:03 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - you might be waiting years upon years | Feb 22 19:03 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I would like to see Ubuntu use Xfce as its flagship DE. I think Xfce is mature enough now. | Feb 22 19:03 |
| cubezzz | part of it is I know this system really well | Feb 22 19:03 |
| cubezzz | everything works | Feb 22 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: features that I don't want for my own personal computer useage, but that "the not so average, but clever enough to try something that isn't Windows, consumer" may find useful | Feb 22 19:04 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - 2.6 is a rolling dev | Feb 22 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: we already have Ubuntu One, but music store is coming in 10.04, and those social features, which can already be tried in alpha with the updates | Feb 22 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | alpha 3 this Thursday :) | Feb 22 19:04 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - its easy to learn something that doesnt change often other than bug fix updates | Feb 22 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | something to vm, and not be impressed with, probably | Feb 22 19:04 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I was a beta tester for Ubuntu One...great service and although I didn't really require it, if it brings in revenue for Canonical then great...I'd personally go with Dropbox though. | Feb 22 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: what annoys me is that that ther edited fusa, is linked to the socail features, which are useless without accounts set up | Feb 22 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: so can't remove the social features, whilst keeping their edited fusa | Feb 22 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | I don't like fusa anyway | Feb 22 19:05 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - personally I have a blood fued against dlink | Feb 22 19:05 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - as well as rogers and microsoft | Feb 22 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | it's ok in 9.10 though, since it has a nice icon. I liked 8.10 where it had fusa and left alone, shut down and log out in system menu | Feb 22 19:05 |
| cubezzz | rogers and microsoft I understand, but why dlink? | Feb 22 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Microsoft/Yahoo will bring in some money for Canonical as well | Feb 22 19:06 |
| MinceR | weren't dlink the ones that said the GPL doesn't apply to them? | Feb 22 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also Ubuntu isn't a great distro it really isn't | Feb 22 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva :) and even more :) if they did a few things differnet | Feb 22 19:06 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I would also like to see Brasero get the boot. Although K3b is a KDE app is streets ahead of Brasero in terms of reliability and stability. | Feb 22 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | for example bothering to have a 64bit version of Mandriva One | Feb 22 19:07 |
| MinceR | "although"? | Feb 22 19:07 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - used to own a few dlink products, one after updating firmware hijacked my broswer and tried to sell me security software, when I worked at a large retail chain we had douchebag reps who said linux was worthless, etc | Feb 22 19:07 |
| MinceR | kde apps tend to be far ahead of their competitors :> | Feb 22 19:07 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I have never had a good experience with Mandriva. | Feb 22 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I have used brasero a few times to burn CD's it tends to work, DVD burning has been an issue | Feb 22 19:07 |
| cubezzz | heh, dlink uses Linux now :) | Feb 22 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I have had some little issues with Mandriva One 2010 here and there, nothing major though | Feb 22 19:07 |
| ender2070 | when it saves them $$$ | Feb 22 19:07 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: it was mounting/unmounting I found problems with Brasero. | Feb 22 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: so still a good distro in my eyes | Feb 22 19:07 |
| ender2070 | they still dont provide linux drivers for any of their hardware | Feb 22 19:07 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and thats what I'd say about Ubuntu on my secondary rigs. | Feb 22 19:08 |
| cubezzz | I don't know, I just know their routers work, I have 3 of them | Feb 22 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I find Mandriva One 2010 better than Ubuntu 9.10 | Feb 22 19:08 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: having said that, the rig Im on at the moment is 9.10 | Feb 22 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | that plymouth boot up is rather nice | Feb 22 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | yes 10.04 will have Plymouth, but | Feb 22 19:08 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz -lol, the dlink rep tried to say that intel made atheros, lol | Feb 22 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora and Mandriva got it first | Feb 22 19:08 |
| MinceR | oops, i confused d-link with linksys | Feb 22 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora and Mandriva had it first | Feb 22 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu tend to do quite a lot of things after Fedora | Feb 22 19:09 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I had one issue with 9.10 and that was popping sound....took about 1 min to sort out....Ive had nothing since.... The family use the Ubuntu PC the most and Ive had no reported probs. | Feb 22 19:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] d@evan would like to know more about sysadmin gig before applying (salary, fringe and whether my wife would have to blame Canada ;) ) | Feb 22 19:09 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah Ubuntu 9.10 on family computer | Feb 22 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: since the whole hard disk got re done in Janurary | Feb 22 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: since some virus or whatever had messed up XP big time | Feb 22 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | in fact to the extent where, it was blue screen of deathing on the Windows CD, and so on | Feb 22 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | w00t | Feb 22 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | did you check ram? | Feb 22 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | and it woudn't boot up, had errors | Feb 22 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: sort of | Feb 22 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | memtest86 ftw | Feb 22 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | I ran memtest for a while, but probably not as long as it should of gone | Feb 22 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | i do it overnight | Feb 22 19:10 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and I think Ubuntu excells as a family OS. Maybe its some inferiority complex that wants me to feel "l33t" as the reason why I am a slack fan on my main rig. | Feb 22 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: family os uhmm | Feb 22 19:10 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I really can't think of a reason why I don't have Ubuntu on all my rigs. | Feb 22 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | I have a little eight year old brother, will he use the music store? nope | Feb 22 19:10 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: or at least Xubuntu | Feb 22 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | will he use the Facebook and Twitter features? uh not yet | Feb 22 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | maybe in a few years if they are still there | Feb 22 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | will he use Ubuntu One nope | Feb 22 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu 9.04 is a good family OS | Feb 22 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | my older brother might use the social features in 10.04 | Feb 22 19:11 |
| _Goblin | yes but then thats an option just like Itunes or Dropbox. Just because the service is there doesn't mean people will use it. | Feb 22 19:11 |
| _Goblin | or be forced to. | Feb 22 19:11 |
| cubezzz | I'm not a big fan of facebook | Feb 22 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they remove something more useful from the Live CD | Feb 22 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | for junk features | Feb 22 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | yep those beautiful LInux screensavers are more useful | Feb 22 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | now that's something WIndows doesn't have by default, loads of beautiful screensavers | Feb 22 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | well now neither does Ubuntu by default | Feb 22 19:12 |
| cubezzz | yeah got to make the cpu work when everything's idle :) | Feb 22 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | loads of distros lack loads of good screensavers by default | Feb 22 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | totally contra power saving :) | Feb 22 19:12 |
| _Goblin | yes but Ive covered this on my site before...If Canonical could survive off praise from users then it would be the richest company in the world....since it needs cash like any company, services like Ubuntu One should be offered. | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | poor Mandriva | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | used to have the market and then something happended and lost most of it | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | also Mandriva is nice and European | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu isn't | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | it really isn't | Feb 22 19:13 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: If the experiences in the main were similar to mine then Im not surprised. I will never try Mandriva again. | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh sure they have their stuff in London and what not, but it is so not Euroepan | Feb 22 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: poor Canada in the down hill skiing by the way | Feb 22 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: the Americans were doing pretty good in it | Feb 22 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | in that | Feb 22 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | I wanted Europe to win :) | Feb 22 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | which countrey doesn't matter | Feb 22 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i didn't see any of the olympics | Feb 22 19:15 |
| _Goblin | I want to know when anti-trust is going to look at OEM...Im not saying offer Linux (since vendors support may be a prob) but I would like the option to buy a PC without Windows. | Feb 22 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 22 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | OEM is almost the #1 issue | Feb 22 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | +1 | Feb 22 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | the elephant in the room | Feb 22 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well Dell do pre installed Ubuntu in some counteries | Feb 22 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | and there's zareason | Feb 22 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | without OEM, Microsoft will have to clean up their act | Feb 22 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | or die | Feb 22 19:16 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: which is why I was confused when the EU targetted browsers. | Feb 22 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't really care which ;-) | Feb 22 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: yeah | Feb 22 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.zareason.com | Feb 22 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: MS won that round | Feb 22 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: sadly system76 is USA and Canada only | Feb 22 19:16 |
| _Goblin | I don't think its much to ask to be allowed to buy any PC without an OS... | Feb 22 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | maybe Ubuntu 14.04 will be able to compete quite a lot more properly against WIndows I hope so | Feb 22 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | around the same time it get's released XP will run out of support | Feb 22 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | unless they extended it again of course, but that's not that likely | Feb 22 19:17 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I think the competition problems of Linux are merely due to the fact that MS has the money and paid PR to shout the loudest. | Feb 22 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: quite a lot of people thought Ubuntu 9.10 should compete properly against Windows 7 | Feb 22 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | what they didn't reolize though | Feb 22 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | is that Ubuntu 9.10 was never made to compete properly against Windows | Feb 22 19:18 |
| _Goblin | having used Windows 7 for some time now (for a feature on my site) it is far behind even 8.04 which btw I can get looking prettier than 7. | Feb 22 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | 10.04 is made to compete against Windows more, but it won't be enough to win over lots and lots of the mass's I expect | Feb 22 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | and hardware issues | Feb 22 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | will put people off | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | they want things to just work | Feb 22 19:19 |
| cubezzz | doze is slow | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | they want Ubuntu to be like a free version of Windows, that can run their Windows apps and computer hardware without issues | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | and that also is better | Feb 22 19:19 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I have only ever had ONE hardware issue...that was finding a prepaid broadband dongle that would work with Linux. | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu needs to tread carefuly with the being more like Windows stuff | Feb 22 19:19 |
| cubezzz | did you find one? | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | if they do it to much, they will lose users | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | and a lot of them | Feb 22 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | same thing if they start becoming more Mac OS X like | Feb 22 19:20 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: no....(it was last year) I ended up having to replace the Linux netbook for a Windows XP one....(I blogged about it last year on my hols) | Feb 22 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | someone told me yesterday in IRC | Feb 22 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | they basically called Ubuntu the new Freespire | Feb 22 19:20 |
| cubezzz | blah | Feb 22 19:20 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Ive actually got quite alot of confidence in Ubuntu after speaking with Jono. | Feb 22 19:21 |
| MinceR | i'll wait for 10.04 with that :> | Feb 22 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | or did he put Linspire hrm | Feb 22 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: alpha 3 this Thursday | Feb 22 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: rather feature complete | Feb 22 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | virtual machine test it or something | Feb 22 19:21 |
| MinceR | i'd wait until the final release | Feb 22 19:21 |
| MinceR | then see how much mono/bingo/m$ crap there is | Feb 22 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they have proptiray stuff in Ubuntu | Feb 22 19:21 |
| cubezzz | I just like stuff I can mod | Feb 22 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they don't use freesoftware when they can | Feb 22 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | they use Mono when they could use something that isn't Mono :D | Feb 22 19:22 |
| MinceR | and DaemonFC pointed out that the user switcher applet has ubuntu one integrated | Feb 22 19:22 |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb: yes but is that an issue? I mean Im using proprietary video drivers, I run proprietary games (albeit via emulation)... | Feb 22 19:22 |
| MinceR | and some tray applets break if it isn't loaded | Feb 22 19:22 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: the question is whether the system is functional without them | Feb 22 19:22 |
| MinceR | in the case you for some reason cease to be able to use proprietary software | Feb 22 19:23 |
| cubezzz | no one likes lgp? | Feb 22 19:23 |
| MinceR | iirc LGP is quite into DRM | Feb 22 19:23 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I would say yes, I refuse to believe that Canonical would lead themselves down a narrow path at a time when they are not only trying to win the hearts and minds of new users but also of long time Linux users. | Feb 22 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anyway I chat to a guy on IRC sometimes, who is worried about the commercial stuff | Feb 22 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: what Ubuntu is doing trying to make money | Feb 22 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | worried about the commerlization | Feb 22 19:24 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and without that money there is no Ubuntu. | Feb 22 19:24 |
| cubezzz | today's Ubuntu could become tomorrow's Linspire | Feb 22 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | how they will try and sell propritary stuff, which according to this guy, isn't free software like. or well he put something like that | Feb 22 19:24 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Im not happy about the yahoo deal, however cash is cash. | Feb 22 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and what they will do for money as well | Feb 22 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | the yahoo deal for example | Feb 22 19:24 |
| MinceR | it's possible to make money without becoming a slave of m$ | Feb 22 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: right, but some of that money will be blood money or whatever you want to call it | Feb 22 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: indeed | Feb 22 19:25 |
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| _Goblin | sebsebseb: but then look at Redhat....have they jumped into bed with Microsoft or are they running a very profitable Linux outfit? | Feb 22 19:25 |
| MinceR | if canonical is unable to do that, it's their problem and it's no excuse | Feb 22 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: what are you refering to? | Feb 22 19:25 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep | Feb 22 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway I am planning on keeping out of the big Ubuntu channel untill April | Feb 22 19:26 |
| cubezzz | no, Redhat took the high road | Feb 22 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | will it work out is the thing | Feb 22 19:26 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I am refering to making a sucessful business out of Linux... Canonical will make its own decisions. It will be judged by the results and shouldnt be by second guessing possible outcomes. (IMHO) | Feb 22 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | got other things I want to do and so on | Feb 22 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | I spent way to much time in there last year | Feb 22 19:26 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Jono really impressed me with his passion for Ubuntu. If he is typical of a Canonical employee then I think the future is bright for Ubuntu. | Feb 22 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: maybe you got brain washed a bit by Jono :d | Feb 22 19:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: lol. If you knew what I did for a living you wouldn't say that.... | Feb 22 19:28 |
| jono | sebsebseb, based on my experience of _Goblin, no one could brainwash him :) | Feb 22 19:28 |
| _Goblin | lol | Feb 22 19:28 |
| jono | let alone a numpty like me :) | Feb 22 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he works for them, he represents them, he has to say good stuff about Ubuntu, or risk losing his job. Wel DeamonFC said something like that before or whatever | Feb 22 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | jono: I have a link actsaully that you shoudl probably read | Feb 22 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | jono: that I gave _Goblin last night | Feb 22 19:29 |
| jono | cool | Feb 22 19:29 |
| jono | send it over, will check in a bit | Feb 22 19:29 |
| jono | on the phone at the mo | Feb 22 19:29 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I think its very difficult to have proper discussions via txt. My chat with Jono was a casual chat between two people, it certainly was not PR. | Feb 22 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: remind me what PR is? | Feb 22 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | means | Feb 22 19:30 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Public relations....but if Jono is to be accused of it, then you could say that I was also speaking on behalf of who I represent. | Feb 22 19:30 |
| _Goblin | and you could say that of everything I say. | Feb 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: upstreams mess with things | Feb 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes | Feb 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | I gave examples earlier | Feb 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they also come out with major new versions sometimes, and try and get everyone using it | Feb 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | Grub is a good example of that | Feb 22 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | they won't support the old Grub in the offical Grub channel | Feb 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | things keep on changing here and there | Feb 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | and not always for the better, or at least for some of us | Feb 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | so I am not so sure anymore about any distro having a lot of market share, and if that's really a good thing | Feb 22 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | a Linux distro is like a win to loads of great software, however what's rather important is that people use a good Internet browser isntead of Internet Explorer, so then web can improve | Feb 22 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | also maybe in the future, mobile will hit off loads, it looks likely, and then the desktop won't be that relivant anymore. so all this stuff is hrm | Feb 22 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | it would be great if I could see the computer future, and then decide what I am going to do with my life, but sadly I can't | Feb 22 19:34 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: If you ever visit my blog you will know Im opinionated and outspoken. In the case of Ubuntu/Canonical I think the misinterpretation is mine. When people draw inference with Mono/Ubuntu they forget Mono is Novell, Canonical is Ubuntu. Canonical is not likely to be silly enough to throw its eggs into one basket and as I say I think 10.04 is going to be something special and certainly a turning point for Linux on the de | Feb 22 19:34 |
| _Goblin | *misinterpretation was mine | Feb 22 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well sure | Feb 22 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | since it 's LTS | Feb 22 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | many people will try Ubuntu again as a result | Feb 22 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | the channel will have about uhmm 2000 users maybe? when 10.04 comes out and for a while after that | Feb 22 19:35 |
| _Goblin | I would hope so. Im going to be running the next alpha for a feature on Openbytes. | Feb 22 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that's when I want to help out a lot again in there | Feb 22 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | screw Karmic | Feb 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | got other things to do | Feb 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | I hope they have a decant log in screen in 10.04 | Feb 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | it's horrible in 9.10 | Feb 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2 in 9.10 is horrible | Feb 22 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | in my opinion, and quite a few or a lot of other peoples as well | Feb 22 19:37 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] recording !lo with streamripper. Can't follow the live show unfortunately at the moment. | Feb 22 19:37 | |
| sebsebseb | someone went in the big support channel whenever it was now, and was saying basically that it's the uglyest thing they had ever seen, and then I told them they din't have to use it and said about kdm and I think xdm as well | Feb 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: the year of Desktop Linux 2016 maybe? | Feb 22 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | is windows ready for the desktop? | Feb 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | I mean when it has like 10% or more market share | Feb 22 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yes and no | Feb 22 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: Windows uhmm it didn't really get where it is now with all that market share fairly | Feb 22 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: speaking of that malware thing ... read an article recently claiming Apple has a competitive advantage because their employees don't use Windows PCs, and hence are not subject to foreign espionage | Feb 22 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: which malware thing? | Feb 22 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: above -- data theft, etc. | Feb 22 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes that | Feb 22 19:40 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: As long as MS and its PR machine is about, it will never be the year the Linux desktop | Feb 22 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 22 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: foreign espionage uhmm not sure what that means, I think you mean like other counteries stealing data off other goverments? | Feb 22 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: and corporations | Feb 22 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: when it is then called "industrial espionage" hehe | Feb 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | and criminals | Feb 22 19:41 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: look how long the MS faithful have claimed the 1% | Feb 22 19:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: all the same | Feb 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: sure, but that browser ballot screen | Feb 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | is the start of something? | Feb 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | altough criminals could probably take advantage of that in a bad way as well hrm | Feb 22 19:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's a market... remember the Goldman Sachs stolen code case? | Feb 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | maybe | Feb 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | altough well we don't know what that screen will be, exactly yet? | Feb 22 19:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you can make money re-selling stolen data | Feb 22 19:42 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: too little too late, people already found out for themselves the advantages of moving from IE...those that don't know or didn't will still choose IE anyway. | Feb 22 19:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: yep | Feb 22 19:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: end run by MS | Feb 22 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: not quite true | Feb 22 19:42 |
| _Goblin | bet the devil you know...and all that. | Feb 22 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I think quite a lot of people will try another browser after seeing the screen | Feb 22 19:42 |
| _Goblin | *better | Feb 22 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | altough will the screen say why Microsoft are doing a screen? | Feb 22 19:42 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I would disagree. I would find it hard to believe those same people had not seen a single reference to another browser and tried for themselves already if they were so inclined. | Feb 22 19:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Feb 22 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: some people might have heard of Firefox for example, but not done it, because they thought IE was ok | Feb 22 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | and then suddenly a screen | Feb 22 19:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | most ppl will find it baffling | Feb 22 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | and then they do Firefox | Feb 22 19:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: some %, sure. | Feb 22 19:43 |
| MinceR | many users probably don't know they have a choice | Feb 22 19:43 |
| MinceR | just like with OS-es | Feb 22 19:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: most ppl don't even know what a web browser is, they just want the web | Feb 22 19:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right | Feb 22 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: true | Feb 22 19:44 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: so I don't think a ballot screen would make any more difference that a result on a search engine or word of mouth. | Feb 22 19:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: MS succeeded in equating "computer" with "Windows PC" | Feb 22 19:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: in the public mind | Feb 22 19:44 |
| _Goblin | and IE with the internet. | Feb 22 19:44 |
| MinceR | and "the Internet" with IE | Feb 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well uhmm a few million or so people will see it? | Feb 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | is XP going to get it as well? I hope so | Feb 22 19:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I haven't been on Vista since uhmm quite a while | Feb 22 19:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes: IE appears == the internet. which is partly why fixing that is so hard... | Feb 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 22 19:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | as hard as fixing the OEM problem.. | Feb 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | I might get the updates soon after the screen | Feb 22 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | hopeing I get it :D | Feb 22 19:45 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: but as I say if those few million have never seen another browser, how will a ballot screen convince them to change? | Feb 22 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | I should be getting it | Feb 22 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I read something before about how | Feb 22 19:45 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: any more than the exposure other browsers have already had? | Feb 22 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it could be a bit of a bad idea, because it's like spyware in a way | Feb 22 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | doing something else and then suddenly a screen pops up | Feb 22 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | even a lot of the ignorant Windows users, know they shoudn't just click on random links and such, right? | Feb 22 19:46 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: like I say, I think the EU should have tackled the issue of OEM instead. | Feb 22 19:46 |
| MinceR | afaik it will pop up on login | Feb 22 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: there is that | Feb 22 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 22 19:46 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: IE is really a moot point and it can be argued that it does a service to everyone else since its so exploitable the criminals target that and leave the rest of us alone. | Feb 22 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | in a way what browser someone uses is more important what os they use? | Feb 22 19:46 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I think as we move towards more web based apps, that will be the case. | Feb 22 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well there have been fake new version of Firefox sites, recently | Feb 22 19:47 |
| MinceR | it does a disservice as it damages web standards | Feb 22 19:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, like everything MS does, imho it is very costly but temporary | Feb 22 19:48 |
| _Goblin | MinceR: there is that. However how many sites have you found insaccessable due to the damage of IE? | Feb 22 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep it has held the web back, for quite a few years already | Feb 22 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and Windows holds the whole of computing back years | Feb 22 19:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: it is a significant burden on the development side | Feb 22 19:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yes | Feb 22 19:48 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: not sure -- i've not tried to access sites with IE for years, so if it was broken because of that or for another reason, i wouldn't know | Feb 22 19:49 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: Im quite sure it is, but as I talk from more of an end-user position, its something that is rather well hidden from the masses. | Feb 22 19:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: yes, who still think IE is 'the web' as you say | Feb 22 19:49 |
| *sebsebseb lives in a world with many stupid people | Feb 22 19:49 | |
| sebsebseb | not just at computers, but in general hrm | Feb 22 19:50 |
| _Goblin | typical Microsoft will always use the "generic" words in its titles to imply it is the only solution..i.e Office...Word....Internet Explorer..... | Feb 22 19:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 22 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] An average person is probably healthier and longer lived in Cuba than than in Usonia. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8528100.stm | Feb 22 19:51 | |
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| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: some people won't use a computer program, if they don't like it's name | Feb 22 19:52 |
| _Goblin | One just has to look at the fuss made about Aero to see how held back Microsoft has kept the user.....we've been having such luxuries for years. | Feb 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | Aero sucks really | Feb 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I need to have the driver for the graphics card installed it seems, for it to even work properly | Feb 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | not sure where that CD has disapperad to | Feb 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | I hardly ever go on Vista anyway so whatever | Feb 22 19:53 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: not for someone who's always used windows | Feb 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: quite a lot of people are still happy with XP that use Windows | Feb 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | and don't really see the point in later versions | Feb 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | however those same people most of them, are likely to be forced into a later version, when it's time | Feb 22 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 22 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | often when they buy a new pc because they think the old one is "sick" or "broken" | Feb 22 19:54 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: true...that was the question I asked a while ago....what does 7 actually offer? | Feb 22 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah | Feb 22 19:54 |
| cubezzz | :-P | Feb 22 19:54 |
| cubezzz | you can keep a computer running a long time | Feb 22 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: a paint that is a bit like paint .net | Feb 22 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I prefer the old paint | Feb 22 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | just like I prefer the old Freecell and such, to what's in Vista | Feb 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | also wordpad the old one yeah | Feb 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | later one is just a cut down of Word 2007 basicalley | Feb 22 19:55 |
| cubezzz | no one likes eus? :) | Feb 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: What does Windows offer? | Feb 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | it offers | Feb 22 19:55 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: for me, (and cubezz may agree here) there is nothing to beat Dpaint 2 | Feb 22 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | well it doesn't really offer much it self | Feb 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | it's just since it has most of that market, most apps that many people want to run, will run on it | Feb 22 19:56 |
| cubezzz | ok, now you're really talking old :) | Feb 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | and most PC hardware will work with it | Feb 22 19:56 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: ;) | Feb 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you like the latest paint? | Feb 22 19:56 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: no. | Feb 22 19:57 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, the only thing is it was closed source | Feb 22 19:57 |
| cubezzz | unless someone opened it up at some point | Feb 22 19:57 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: May paint package requirements mean I don't really need a paint package...I generally use online apps for basic photo editing. | Feb 22 19:57 |
| _Goblin | *my | Feb 22 19:57 |
| *sebsebseb thinks it would be great if a day comes when most computer users, find out, what we know now | Feb 22 19:57 | |
| sebsebseb | how Microsoft have held computing back and that kind of stuff | Feb 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | imagine all the unhappy litlte consumers heh heh | Feb 22 19:58 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluxe_Paint | Feb 22 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | It's happening | Feb 22 19:58 |
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| _Goblin | what would we talk about though? | Feb 22 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | will a day like that ever come, I guess not? after all most people don't like computers enough | Feb 22 19:58 |
| schestowitz | We are federating markets outside desktops :-) | Feb 22 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: in a way yeah | Feb 22 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hence a lot of unhappy Windows users going Ubuntu | Feb 22 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Maemo is nice | Feb 22 19:58 |
| ianto | Trisquel is nice ;) | Feb 22 19:59 |
| _Goblin | a Goblin recommendation for everyone..... | Feb 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | mobile uhmm | Feb 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | they keep that stuff secret | Feb 22 19:59 |
| _Goblin | Debian based Elive is great! | Feb 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | what OS your mobile phone is running, well they will be | Feb 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | ianto: was it one of the free/libre ones? | Feb 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | most mobile phones will run Linux soon | Feb 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but "the consumer" won't know that | Feb 22 19:59 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: Elive is very Amigaish.....you should take a look! | Feb 22 19:59 |
| ianto | schestowitz: YEah, it's FSF backed and Ubuntu based | Feb 22 19:59 |
| ianto | schestowitz: http://trisquel.info/en | Feb 22 20:00 |
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| *schestowitz looks again | Feb 22 20:00 | |
| schestowitz | They have a nice site design | Feb 22 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah one good thing about all this Microsoft stuff and that | Feb 22 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: is it gives us geeks, something to chat to each other about | Feb 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Bette than http://rip.7bf.de/current/ | Feb 22 20:01 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft blows! Doze blows! | Feb 22 20:01 |
| cubezzz | conversation done! | Feb 22 20:01 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 22 20:01 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: very true....can you imagine how dull it would be without Microsoft antics and stage performances by Ballmer? | Feb 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/mud-torrent-kills-40-islanders-portugal/ | Feb 22 20:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mud torrent kills at least 40 islanders in Portugal | Raw Story .::. Size~: 26.54 KB | Feb 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't expect CNN/BBC to cover this... they are not "white Western people" and it's not an explosion on something like a plane | Feb 22 20:02 |
| cubezzz | we own in curling today :) | Feb 22 20:03 |
| cubezzz | alert Ted Koppel | Feb 22 20:03 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I thought someone from the UK did die? | Feb 22 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: BBC tends to cover things like that doesn't it? | Feb 22 20:03 |
| cubezzz | won even | Feb 22 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Portuagal is Europe just like the UK | Feb 22 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: down hill skiing, and that's all I have seen properly, from the olympics | Feb 22 20:04 |
| cubezzz | no curling? | Feb 22 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: for a bit, and then got bored of it | Feb 22 20:05 |
| cubezzz | they're showing it all the time over here | Feb 22 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: same here | Feb 22 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: schestowitz ianto Eurosport is better than BBC 2 for the olympics, in fact not everything has been shown on BBC 2 | Feb 22 20:05 |
| cubezzz | ah, the women lost against China | Feb 22 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I don't want USA to win things :D | Feb 22 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I want Europe to win :) | Feb 22 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | Olympics is for "the consumer as well" but whatever when it comes to the down hill stuff :D | Feb 22 20:08 |
| cubezzz | Norway is doing very well | Feb 22 20:09 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: not an olympics fan.....wrestling/football fan only. | Feb 22 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | jono: http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary/48.html | Feb 22 20:11 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: most of the Winter Olympics I am not interested in | Feb 22 20:12 |
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| trmanco | it had to snow today :( | Feb 22 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: it snowed here the other day | Feb 22 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | all gone now | Feb 22 20:12 |
| _Goblin | ive been looking at Zatoo for Ubuntu....very good TV streamer there..... | Feb 22 20:12 |
| _Goblin | sorry its Zattoo | Feb 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah I think I know about that | Feb 22 20:13 |
| trmanco | southern ontario is being hit by a snow storm | Feb 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | online TV | Feb 22 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: dude. this ain't snow | Feb 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | channel program | Feb 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Feb 22 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: we haven't *had* snow this winter... | Feb 22 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: by now we should have had at least one blizzard | Feb 22 20:13 |
| _Goblin | yep...I can also get some foriegn sports channels that I lost when sky went digital | Feb 22 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: but the USA stole all our snow this yer | Feb 22 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | year* | Feb 22 20:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: could be worse | Feb 22 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/mud-torrent-kills-40-islanders-portugal/ | Feb 22 20:13 |
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| trmanco | FurnaceBoy: I know, but it still is snowing like crap :( | Feb 22 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: those things tend to have BBC on it and that's about it | Feb 22 20:14 |
| trmanco | yesterday was such a nice sunny day | Feb 22 20:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: i'm looking out my window, hasn't even covered the road yet. you must be getting heavier faill | Feb 22 20:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | fall* | Feb 22 20:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes yesterday was beautiful | Feb 22 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: What TV you got? | Feb 22 20:14 |
| _Goblin | its got quite a comprehensive list...and since the browser based ITV is awful...its a good little ap. | Feb 22 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: TV provider | Feb 22 20:14 |
| trmanco | my driveway has about 2cm of snow | Feb 22 20:14 |
| trmanco | 1* | Feb 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" http://www.penguin-news.com/ http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.penguin-news.com http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/22/falklands_hack/ | Feb 22 20:14 |
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| trmanco | it's nothing, but it's snow :P | Feb 22 20:15 |
| _Goblin | http://zattoo.com/en/tv-channels | Feb 22 20:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: TV Channels | Zattoo - watch online TV .::. Size~: 60.35 KB | Feb 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah online TV can be good, got a direct link, I feel lazy etc, so don't want to search :D | Feb 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I guess it's the name with a .com | Feb 22 20:15 |
| trmanco | and I thought winter was over :P | Feb 22 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: What annoys me is when Click isn't on the Catch Up TV on demand, meaning I got to watch online | Feb 22 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: almost | Feb 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: on the Iplayer | Feb 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | BBC Click | Feb 22 20:16 |
| _Goblin | ahhh | Feb 22 20:16 |
| _Goblin | no | Feb 22 20:16 |
| _Goblin | Click.... | Feb 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it's happended again the lastest one isn't there, this happended about three weeks ago as well, so i'll have to watch online it seems on the Iplayer | Feb 22 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: don't like Click? | Feb 22 20:16 |
| _Goblin | talked about Dropbox last week like it was just out.... | Feb 22 20:16 |
| trmanco | http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/storm_watch_stories3&stormfile=sontstorm_febtwenty_20_02_2010 | Feb 22 20:17 |
| _Goblin | hate it with a passion. Out of date, pointless. | Feb 22 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: indeed | Feb 22 20:17 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: out of date? | Feb 22 20:17 |
| _Goblin | but worse than that we pay for it with our licence fee. | Feb 22 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it's one of the few British TV shows I like | Feb 22 20:17 |
| _Goblin | yeah out of date....Ive yet to see something reported which is unknown to me. | Feb 22 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | I dislike most British TV shows | Feb 22 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | this countrey is meant to have such great TV LOL | Feb 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | most of it sucks | Feb 22 20:18 |
| _Goblin | Remember the Big Boy Barry Game Show? - That was my fav show. | Feb 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | Americn TV | Feb 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | 24 | Feb 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Feb 22 20:18 |
| _Goblin | V | Feb 22 20:18 |
| _Goblin | the new V is very good. | Feb 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Click is bad | Feb 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Clique | Feb 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you watched Click last week, even though you don't like it? | Feb 22 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah it tends to be aimed at "the stupid ignorant consumer that has a bit of an interest in technology" | Feb 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | They call Windows "computer" | Feb 22 20:19 |
| _Goblin | it was on when I switched on BBC News. | Feb 22 20:19 |
| _Goblin | it was talking about dropbox. | Feb 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so quite a lot of Windows stuff and they like going on about social networking sites, and mobile phones | Feb 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/22/twitter_bomb_threat_joke_guilty/ | Feb 22 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | every now and again though a bit of Linux stuff :) | Feb 22 20:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter bomb threat joke man faces possible jail sentence • The Register .::. Size~: 22.36 KB | Feb 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I guess I have a tool for putting me in jail on my desktop | Feb 22 20:19 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: having a look. | Feb 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | If I hit the wrong keys and hit ENTER | Feb 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: have you ever seen it properly? | Feb 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | some Click's suck | Feb 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | others are pretty good | Feb 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Click broke the law | Feb 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they didn't do much for Windows 7 :) | Feb 22 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the botnet experiment you mean? | Feb 22 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | the botnet showing you mean? | Feb 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/14/bbc-zombie-pc-crimes-conficker/ | Feb 22 20:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Verdict: The BBC Broke the Law with Microsoft Windows Botnets, Which Conficker Continues Building (Updated) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.65 KB | Feb 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/12/bbc-hijacks-computers/ | Feb 22 20:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Isnt the MSBBC Breaking the Law by Hijacking 22,000 Taxpayers PCs, at Taxpayers Expense? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.56 KB | Feb 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/the-msbbc-wants-windows-botnets/ | Feb 22 20:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC Wants to Build Another Windows Botnet | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 108.05 KB | Feb 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/19/bbc-windows-botnets-fiasco/ | Feb 22 20:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC Unable to Defend Windows Botnets Fiasco | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.37 KB | Feb 22 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: that's old stuff | Feb 22 20:21 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Do you know the actual charge? I would personally have said it more of a Sec4 Public Order....if a court would buy that for a "vitual venue" | Feb 22 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also that was an interesting episode | Feb 22 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | where they gave the general public an idea what a botnet is like | Feb 22 20:21 |
| _Goblin | *virtual | Feb 22 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | there's something about how they can brake the law if it's in the interst of the general public or whatever | Feb 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | It's against the law | Feb 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | See my posts about it | Feb 22 20:22 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: its being heard in magistrates so if theres a custodial it will only be a max of 6 months. | Feb 22 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | well they got away with it | Feb 22 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: oh there's a case? | Feb 22 20:23 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: One thing the press has taught me over the years....what you read is often grossly different from reality. | Feb 22 20:23 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: would would be funny if as an act of solidarity we all just tweeted "Crap! Robin Hood Airport is closed. You've got a week and a bit to get your shit together otherwise I'm blowing the airport sky high!" | Feb 22 20:24 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: case in point, Oink, TPB... | Feb 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Like, "she's my wife TOO" | Feb 22 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that last bit, not sure what you mean | Feb 22 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | also laws are unclear | Feb 22 20:24 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: but youve now changed the circumstance.....everyone would be aware that you were refering to a case in the news. | Feb 22 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | they really are | Feb 22 20:24 |
| cubezzz | I doubt you get in trouble on IRC | Feb 22 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | most people know the basic ones, like don't murder people | Feb 22 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | and that's about it | Feb 22 20:25 |
| cubezzz | could be a bot, could be anything | Feb 22 20:25 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: although I stand to be corrected since the IRC logs here are posted. | Feb 22 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | loads of laws that most people don't know about | Feb 22 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | and you can't just find out, what is legal and what is not | Feb 22 20:25 |
| _Goblin | google? | Feb 22 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | you can't say search some goverment website or something, and find out if something is legal or not | Feb 22 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: google will come up with loads of stuff | Feb 22 20:25 |
| _Goblin | what do you want to know | Feb 22 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | not everything on the web is accurate | Feb 22 20:25 |
| _Goblin | what do you want to know? | Feb 22 20:25 |
| _Goblin | I am/ | Feb 22 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: your a laywer? | Feb 22 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | lawyer | Feb 22 20:26 |
| _Goblin | nope. | Feb 22 20:26 |
| _Goblin | not at all. | Feb 22 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I am just saying here basicalley | Feb 22 20:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If this is accurate coverage, then the legal system has gone bat* insane. http://ur1.ca/n569 | Feb 22 20:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter bomb threat joke man faces possible jail sentence • The Register .::. Size~: 22.36 KB | Feb 22 20:26 |
| cubezzz | yeah don't make jokes about bombs | Feb 22 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anyway you never seen an episode of Click propelry? | Feb 22 20:27 |
| _Goblin | yes...once or twice. | Feb 22 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | I think need to see a few more times then just that | Feb 22 20:27 |
| _Goblin | I loved the whole 5 minutes of attention they gave one time to FOSS. | Feb 22 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | before you have a proper valid reason to express your opinion about the show | Feb 22 20:28 |
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| sebsebseb | reason to I mean | Feb 22 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yep the Linux stuff won't be in there much | Feb 22 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | and stuff like that | Feb 22 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes if we are lucky | Feb 22 20:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I have watched it everytime its on. I watch it so that if there is something silly enough on it, I can rip it to shreads on the blog. | Feb 22 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I watch it since | Feb 22 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | well can sometimes get some interesting sites from webscape | Feb 22 20:29 |
| _Goblin | so far its merely dull, uninspired and out of date.....reporting on Dropbox last week? How long has dropbox been about? | Feb 22 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes they have the episode about something kind of interesting | Feb 22 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | I think I seen that out of date stuff myself before | Feb 22 20:29 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: any site/podcast does that....and it doesn't take money from you to do so. | Feb 22 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | years on stuff or month or whatever | Feb 22 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | something like that | Feb 22 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well it's the only UK techonlogy show? | Feb 22 20:30 |
| _Goblin | I wonder when Click will showcase Ubuntu 8.04LTS...if dropbox is anything to go by, around 2012. | Feb 22 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: heh | Feb 22 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | nah | Feb 22 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | it's not that silly | Feb 22 20:30 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Feb 22 20:30 |
| _Goblin | I was being flippant of course. | Feb 22 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | in fact there was an episode where it showed them downloading Ubuntu | Feb 22 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | and it was the latest one at the time | Feb 22 20:30 |
| _Goblin | yeah...I think they gave it a full 4 mins. | Feb 22 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | well I think it was the latest one, if not I guess the latest LTS | Feb 22 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the world is sick in a way | Feb 22 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to all this kind of stuff | Feb 22 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | they love their propritary software, and most users don't know better | Feb 22 20:31 |
| _Goblin | if MS sneezes though, Click will use a whole show to say how great it is. | Feb 22 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but even the ones that should know better, still love their propritary software | Feb 22 20:31 |
| _Goblin | nothing wrong with proprietary... | Feb 22 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I thought they would have a whole show or nearly a whole show for Windows 7, but luckily that didn't happen :) | Feb 22 20:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's a strain of pragmatism that likes to believe the problem is purely technical, and not political/legal | Feb 22 20:32 |
| _Goblin | horses for courses. | Feb 22 20:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz better to be chided in the press than to give another office bod a career advantage , well obviously :) | Feb 22 20:32 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you watch Click? | Feb 22 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: like every week? | Feb 22 20:32 |
| _Goblin | I support FOSS/Linux not because its free but because its better software. I'd happily do the same if Linux was proprietary | Feb 22 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yeah I support this stuff since it's better software, and the software freedom to an extent | Feb 22 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: most users use this stuff since it's good and "free as in price" | Feb 22 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | they don't care/know about the freedoms | Feb 22 20:33 |
| _Goblin | the free part is an added bonus. | Feb 22 20:33 |
| _Goblin | so is the "open" | Feb 22 20:33 |
| _Goblin | I sometimes think though that the FSF viewpoint can be as guilty as Microsoft in terms of "Do it our way or not at all" | Feb 22 20:34 |
| _Goblin | reality is, people can and do use a mix....and thats fine. | Feb 22 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yep most users do a mix | Feb 22 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | not many people doing 100% free software | Feb 22 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | also it's fine to mix Gnome and KDE apps, but some people are quite against that | Feb 22 20:35 |
| _Goblin | and for me true software freedom is the ability to use both or indeed whatever they please. Where MS fails is that it attempts to lock you in and trap you. | Feb 22 20:35 |
| cubezzz | my perspective is different | Feb 22 20:35 |
| cubezzz | I want the source code for everything | Feb 22 20:35 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: and thats fine too. | Feb 22 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | even as just an end user | Feb 22 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Things people say..Is that Robin Hood airport in the wrong county | Feb 22 20:36 | |
| sebsebseb | it should be common sense really | Feb 22 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | if a program has it's source code available to the general public | Feb 22 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | that's a great thing | Feb 22 20:36 |
| cubezzz | it is | Feb 22 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | so proggrammers from all over the world can contribute and make better | Feb 22 20:36 |
| _Goblin | and the end-user benefits again. | Feb 22 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yep Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe, are about locking people in | Feb 22 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | they aren't the only technology companies of course | Feb 22 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | even Google to some extent will try and lock people in a bit I guess? maybe this an example, buzz inside Gmail? | Feb 22 20:37 |
| _Goblin | Ive used Buzz once....Ive yet to work out why I would need it. | Feb 22 20:37 |
| cubezzz | no question about it | Feb 22 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: to what I put? | Feb 22 20:37 |
| cubezzz | google is trying to lock people in, just not as bad as Microsoft | Feb 22 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | I saw the video thing after it asked me if I wanted to use buzz, I haven't used it | Feb 22 20:38 |
| cubezzz | you see, if GNU/Linux tried to lock people in, that would also be bad | Feb 22 20:38 |
| _Goblin | I think we have to accept that any company (in an ideal world) would like to lock you in. Why would they want to see their userbase exercising their freedom of choice? | Feb 22 20:38 |
| cubezzz | most people don't exercise freedom of choice | Feb 22 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | I think we have to accept that companies aren't "really are friends" and not even Canonical | Feb 22 20:39 |
| cubezzz | you have to want to have freedom | Feb 22 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | Sun was a good company I guess | Feb 22 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know that much about them | Feb 22 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah companies aren't are friends | Feb 22 20:40 |
| cubezzz | Xerox was a good company :) | Feb 22 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | they just want to make money out of us and such | Feb 22 20:40 |
| MinceR | xerox had incompetent management | Feb 22 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | they might have produced some great/interesting products, but they want to make money out of us even so | Feb 22 20:40 |
| cubezzz | well, their employees had amazing ideas | Feb 22 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | companies | Feb 22 20:40 |
| MinceR | despite all the computer technology they had, they insisted on focusing on dead tree documents | Feb 22 20:41 |
| cubezzz | and yes, they messed up big-time | Feb 22 20:41 |
| MinceR | yes, there were some great minds at PARC | Feb 22 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | capitalism and consuerism hold back computing here and there, but also improve it | Feb 22 20:41 |
| tessier | None of those employees would have been able to show off those good ideas if nobody in management had seen the potential and funded them. | Feb 22 20:41 |
| tessier | It is very hard to leave behind a very successful photocopying business and take huge risks on a totally new business. | Feb 22 20:41 |
| cubezzz | it does show being the first does not automatically mean victory | Feb 22 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: the Winter olympics show that as well | Feb 22 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Feb 22 20:42 |
| tessier | Hindsight is 20/20 | Feb 22 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: in fact at a disadvantage if 1st of 2nd when doing those kind of things really I guess? | Feb 22 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | well if the other people know the time to beat | Feb 22 20:42 |
| cubezzz | it's a constant never ending race | Feb 22 20:43 |
| cubezzz | you can always fall behind | Feb 22 20:43 |
| cubezzz | even the Big M | Feb 22 20:43 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I don't watch The Clique :-) | Feb 22 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hpl.hp.com/news/2009/oct-dec/cense.html | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | The Linux Foundation got some PR bunnies now... hmmmmm :-( .. "Jennifer Cloer" | Feb 22 20:46 |
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| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: this is shaping up to be a more interesting snowfall. not before time. | Feb 22 20:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | about the heaviest i've seen all Winter | Feb 22 20:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 22 20:48 |
| trmanco | yes, it might be the heaviest | Feb 22 20:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Frankie Teardrop. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/29391.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/543114.html | Feb 22 20:51 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: via @satipera http://twitter.com/georgegalloway | Feb 22 20:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://pragcap.com/insider-selling-soars-to-2010-high | Feb 22 20:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Live and learn Usonian is a derivative from a fork of esperanto. If we had coined it first I would be more than happy with Eusonian citizen. | Feb 22 21:00 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/02/take-that-chevy-volt-cal-poly-car-gets-27523-mpg/ | Feb 22 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: real account? | Feb 22 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: seems so | Feb 22 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6929017.ece | Feb 22 21:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100209006604&newsLang=en | Feb 22 21:11 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle/print | Feb 22 21:19 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "Goldman Sachs and other big banks aren't just pocketing the trillions we gave them to rescue the economy - they're re-creating the conditions for another crash" | Feb 22 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The reason why I still play guitar....a true guitar hero. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW1Nqrm33E0&feature=related | Feb 22 21:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @saintpaul007 RT @activistgirl: http://bit.ly/9yKaRi #GoldmanSachs are re-creating the conditions 4 another crash @chonabo @mparent77772 | Feb 22 21:22 | |
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| _Goblin | Quote "Police are routinely arresting people simply to record their DNA profiles on the national database, according to a report published today" | Feb 22 21:25 |
| _Goblin | absolute rubbish....lies. | Feb 22 21:25 |
| _Goblin | If it were true it would have to be a conspiracy on so many levels.... | Feb 22 21:25 |
| _Goblin | firstly the original officer. | Feb 22 21:26 |
| _Goblin | secondly the custody sgt who authorizes detention | Feb 22 21:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Goldman Sachs & rest of Wall St are drinking yr milkshake http://bit.ly/9nBPsl #fraud | Feb 22 21:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin Yes but can he set his frets on fire. | Feb 22 21:26 | |
| _Goblin | thirdly the PACE Inspector who reviews persons detained. | Feb 22 21:26 |
| _Goblin | The rest of the "stats" they give are rubbish too. | Feb 22 21:27 |
| _Goblin | Quote "it is now the norm to arrest offenders for everything if there is a power to do so." | Feb 22 21:28 |
| _Goblin | wrong again... | Feb 22 21:28 |
| _Goblin | bad reporting... | Feb 22 21:29 |
| _Goblin | since the removal of what was called Section 25. An arrest is only justified if one or more conditions can be met. | Feb 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: what happened to the URL? | Feb 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Looks like a parked domain | Feb 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the Times is not the mail | Feb 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | But still, i's Murdoch trash | Feb 22 21:30 |
| _Goblin | if that arrest facilitates prompt and effective investigation is one.... | Feb 22 21:30 |
| _Goblin | roy, that article is complete lies. | Feb 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | So why was it published? | Feb 22 21:30 |
| _Goblin | because its an easy target....since when do government agencies sue> | Feb 22 21:30 |
| _Goblin | it mentions nothing about the innocent people spared arrest because of DNA. It mentions nothing about the highprofile cases solved with DNA..... | Feb 22 21:32 |
| _Goblin | it mentions nothing of ID's of deceased persons through DNA or the ability to link crimes around the country with ease with it. | Feb 22 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/t/business/unfortunate-ending-357 | Feb 22 21:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: An unfortunate ending | Business - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 87.42 KB | Feb 22 21:33 |
| schestowitz | "After reading all of the ZDnet posting, I have serious misgivings about InfoWorld. Do you vet your columnists/bloggers at all? Are you more deeply involved in this mess than you say? Perhaps we can get more reliable information elsewhere. I think a more serious effort at explaining IDG's editorial policies and performance trying to live up to those policies is in order." | Feb 22 21:33 |
| schestowitz | "If intetrity is so important to Infoworld, why did you let that bozo write for you to begin with? His absolute nonsense might have been good for The Onion, but a serious, news re-lated website that runs the absolute crap click-baiting stories he wrote has to at least admit they were asking for trouble to begin with. This has been a massive black eye to Infoworld's credibility, and to plead ignorance is just a little too disingenuous | Feb 22 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | to begin with." | Feb 22 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: parked domain? | Feb 22 21:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how weird. | Feb 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 22 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it expands to the correct URL. | Feb 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I tried twice | Feb 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe they didn't renew :-) | Feb 22 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe they are sniffing referrers | Feb 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes, but many parked domains do | Feb 22 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: try the 2nd tweet, that works | Feb 22 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it expands to the correct domain | Feb 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Second? | Feb 22 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, i tweeted the link twice | Feb 22 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | the first was an RT | Feb 22 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | that now fails | Feb 22 21:36 |
| schestowitz | No, same s* | Feb 22 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | the 2nd, twitter auto-shortened | Feb 22 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | and that works | Feb 22 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle | Feb 22 21:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle/print | Feb 22 21:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wall Street's Bailout Hustle : Rolling Stone .::. Size~: 46.1 KB | Feb 22 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah the first one worked for me though. at one point. :) | Feb 22 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | DNS poisoning? | Feb 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Well, who cares//////? | Feb 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Is it that old article? | Feb 22 21:37 |
| schestowitz | http://66.102.9.132/search?hl=en-GB&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.rollingstone.com%2Fpolitics%2Fstory%2F32255149%2Fwall_streets_bailout_hustle%2Fprint&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Feb 22 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Cache. | Feb 22 21:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the link above without /print should work for you | Feb 22 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/02/goldman_hires_former_advisor_t.html | Feb 22 21:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Goldman Hires Outside PR Firm to Help With Image Problem -- Daily Intel .::. Size~: 57.12 KB | Feb 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz | AstroTurf | Feb 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz | It's "just an image problem" | Feb 22 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Feb 22 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Bill "just an image problem" gates | Feb 22 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: our strategy isn't wilful crime; but "mistakes were made" | Feb 22 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Nixonian | Feb 22 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's not about what we do. it's about how we look. Blackwater -> Xe | Feb 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Accidental monopolist | Feb 22 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | yus | Feb 22 21:40 |
| schestowitz | What are you waiting for? Go call an ambulance | Feb 22 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They got injured in an accdient | Feb 22 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Critics are fond of spinning some inadvertent missteps into a picture of deliberate fraud and extortion" | Feb 22 21:41 |
| schestowitz | They fell in a big pile of cash | Feb 22 21:41 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: The question I'd ask of the Times is...if what they report is true, when why are more crimes being dealt with via fixed penalty notice on street? Surely if the plan was to get everyone on a database by way of an arrest then there would be no such thing as a FPN for theft or public order. | Feb 22 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Toughened their arses :-) | Feb 22 21:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you're biased :0 | Feb 22 21:42 |
| schestowitz | You need to believe in this system :-p | Feb 22 21:42 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: really? then why do they have the FPN system? Thers no DNA taken in those cases. | Feb 22 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I really don't know | Feb 22 21:43 |
| _Goblin | theft, criminal damage, cannabis possession..to name a few can be dealt with via ticket. | Feb 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | But choosing between the Times and another person from the system I know who to choose to listen to | Feb 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | And mind you, I distrust the Times | Feb 22 21:43 |
| _Goblin | :) | Feb 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Truth is probably somewhere in between | Feb 22 21:43 |
| _Goblin | I have no agenda and I think no system is perfect, but for the Times to report a "conspiracy" is equal to people claiming aliens in Area51....just silly. | Feb 22 21:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Hmm should not make assmptions :) | Feb 22 21:44 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: cash has sharp pointy edges! | Feb 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: not the same | Feb 22 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | i thought your problem was they didn't report a "conspiracy" | Feb 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Here we talk about DNA DBs, not aliens | Feb 22 21:44 |
| _Goblin | well the conspiracy is to arrest everyone to get them on a database. | Feb 22 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh? | Feb 22 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, that's just a handy objective. | Feb 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: so does the devil | Feb 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Whatever he looks like | Feb 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | God has beard, diablo has horns | Feb 22 21:45 |
| _Goblin | and according to the times front line officers understand this. | Feb 22 21:45 |
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| _Goblin | like I say absolute rubbish and so far from the truth. | Feb 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | But nobody has seen them to verify | Feb 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Here comes Diablo ( DaemonFC) | Feb 22 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Feb 22 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: are you familiar with how Nixon and Kissinger arranged 5 years of secret bombings in B52s over Cambodia and Laos? | Feb 22 21:46 |
| MinceR | nope, Diablo is someone else :> | Feb 22 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: who in the chain knew, and did the public or Congress know? | Feb 22 21:46 |
| schestowitz | [21:45] <_Goblin> well the conspiracy is to arrest everyone to get them on a database. | Feb 22 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | back with his lunch (another gigantic salad) | Feb 22 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just those whom they think look "bad" | Feb 22 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Like minorities | Feb 22 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | brought back some goldfish crackers for his cat too | Feb 22 21:46 |
| _Goblin | yes...and as Ive always said there are corrupt people. The system itself isnt. | Feb 22 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the point being, obviously systems are easily subvertible | Feb 22 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC loves his cat | Feb 22 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 22 21:47 |
| _Goblin | but thats a human flaw. | Feb 22 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: Nixon and Kissinger are only a spectacular example | Feb 22 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: they weren't *supposed* to be able to carpet bomb non-involved countries, at least without telling Congress and/or the public | Feb 22 21:47 |
| _Goblin | and its up to everyone to be responsible for their own actions. | Feb 22 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | DaemonFC realizes that talking about DaemonFC in the third person is a sign of a psychotic split | Feb 22 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: checks and balances were "supposed" to eixst. | Feb 22 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Feb 22 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | exist* | Feb 22 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | but they were hacked. Just as Gates has hacked the law, and Bush/Cheney hacked the whole system | Feb 22 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | the system is exploitable, unfortunately. | Feb 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | cracked? | Feb 22 21:48 |
| _Goblin | yes but in your case, it was a few in the know...according to the Times its implied as common knowledge amongst frontline staff. | Feb 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | exploited | Feb 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the pilots. what did they know? | Feb 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Obama was handed over the rooted system | Feb 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the bomb loaders | Feb 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the fuellers | Feb 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | He got partior privileges | Feb 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | cd /home/george | Feb 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Feb 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: format, reinstall | Feb 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | chown -R obi . | Feb 22 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You remember the Regent talking to Londo Mollari on B5 right? Just before the fall of Centauri Prime? | Feb 22 21:49 |
| _Goblin | as I say though, apparently (according to the Times) its common knowledge that the reason for arrest is only to get DNA and as I say thats a complete lie. | Feb 22 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: they flew the missions without knowing it was a subversion of the system, yes | Feb 22 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: that's how the hack is done | Feb 22 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | telling Londo he can blame the Regent for anything he wants | Feb 22 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: hm.. well i read this a couple of months ago | Feb 22 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's how I view the Bush > Obama handover | Feb 22 21:49 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: the b52s? | Feb 22 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: haven't refreshed from the article | Feb 22 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, the DNA article | Feb 22 21:50 |
| *FurnaceBoy goes to have lunch | Feb 22 21:50 | |
| _Goblin | my "proof" that I offer to show this article is rubbish is the increasing amount of crimes that can be dealt with on the street by way of ticket. | Feb 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | They should call it DNW | Feb 22 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: why does that disprove it? | Feb 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | No not want!! | Feb 22 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: that's like saying malware is disproved by the existence of antivirus | Feb 22 21:50 |
| _Goblin | because no DNA is taken and if the Times is right the tickets wouldn't exist and people would just be arrested. | Feb 22 21:51 |
| _Goblin | if the intention was to get DNA | Feb 22 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | only instead of the Drakh, you have the World Bank, the UN, and the Federal Reserve | Feb 22 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | "The world would have a new free format unencumbered by software patents. Viewers, video creators, free software developers, hardware makers " http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,40050748,00.htm | Feb 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | fsf ftw | Feb 22 21:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Top stories - ZDNet UK News .::. Size~: 113.11 KB | Feb 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you've just named 3 corrupt institutions | Feb 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some of the most corrupt at their level | Feb 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I can't tell the different between WB and IMF though | Feb 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | *rence | Feb 22 21:53 |
| _Goblin | the Drahk were not corrupt per say...they merely served the shadows. | Feb 22 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'd rather see any one of them gone than a Microsoft or an RIAA | Feb 22 21:53 |
| _Goblin | and the Shadows were not corrupt since they believed in Chaos. | Feb 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Well.. | Feb 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Where would the UN stay without gates | Feb 22 21:53 |
| _Goblin | if anything it was the Vorlons. | Feb 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | They lodge in his house | Feb 22 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that corrupt business flourishes is a side effect of a bigger problem | Feb 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | And Gates/MS work for the WB to colonise Africa | Feb 22 21:54 |
| _Goblin | damn | Feb 22 21:54 |
| _Goblin | I thought we were going to have a Babylon 5 debate. | Feb 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | I have references BTW | Feb 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.mondaq.com/canada/article.asp?articleid=94084 | Feb 22 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, I was pissed when they showed Crusade out of order on a bad time slot, made it fail so they could get out of their contract with Straczynski | Feb 22 21:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canada, Intellectual Property, The Patent Pendulum — Part II - McCarthy Tétrault LLP - 22/02/2010, Patent .::. Size~: 58.81 KB | Feb 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Got access, zoobab | Feb 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | ? | Feb 22 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | The WB has screwed him over every step on the way | Feb 22 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't even paying him royalties on the DVD sales of B5 | Feb 22 21:55 |
| *schestowitz reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straczynski | Feb 22 21:56 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 22 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | What really frightens me is he's obviously an intelligent person | Feb 22 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | so what was he doing with a Mac and AOL | Feb 22 21:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera lol...true...but if anyone can Satriani is the man! | Feb 22 21:58 | |
| DaemonFC | the only reason I used AOL was because it was free | Feb 22 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 22 21:58 |
| schestowitz | watchTroll is @ it again............... "Unfortunately, those who oppose software patents frequently, if not always, want to turn the patentability requirements as they apply to software and business methods into a single step inquiry. They want it all to ride on patentable subject matter, which is a horrible mistake." | Feb 22 21:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2010/02/21/deciding-bilski-on-patentable-subject-matter-is-just-plain-wrong/id=9258/ | Feb 22 21:58 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: There is a striking similarity between Microsoft and the Vorlons...conform, obey....do it our way or not at all..... | Feb 22 21:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Deciding Bilski on Patentable Subject Matter is Just Plain Wrong | IPWatchdog.com | Patents & Patent Law .::. Size~: 106.08 KB | Feb 22 21:58 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: did you see the article about MS lawyers? | Feb 22 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Would that make the FSF the shadows? | Feb 22 21:59 |
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| _Goblin | not yet. | Feb 22 21:59 |
| _Goblin | will do though.... | Feb 22 21:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/12/24644.htm | Feb 22 21:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Courthouse News Service .::. Size~: 12.22 KB | Feb 22 21:59 |
| schestowitz | You should blog it | Feb 22 21:59 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I'd say more the Narns... | Feb 22 21:59 |
| schestowitz | 'Craig Bartholomew worked for Microsoft for 21 years, he says in his complaint in King County Court. He says he was fired after complaining that his supervisors had created a “dysfunctional environment that was harming Microsoft and risking certain of its programs and objectives.”' | Feb 22 21:59 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: take on the big boys a little ill prepared. | Feb 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | 'Calling Microsoft “a lawless place,” a longtime worker claims in a class action that he was fired in retaliation for reporting supervisors’ misconduct. He claims the company “routinely produces and/or condones deficient investigations, covers up alleged misconduct, mischaracterizes evidence, refuses to preserve or provide pertinent facts and data, protects the perpetrators and retaliates against victims.”' | Feb 22 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Did I mention I managed to rpm --nodeps all the Mesa 7.8 RPMs from Fedora 13? | Feb 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | You haven't | Feb 22 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | and that my 3d acceleration is like WHOA now :) | Feb 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It's so off you use RPM now | Feb 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | You're a deb person and exe/dll person | Feb 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | what's w/ mint? | Feb 22 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | in what way? | Feb 22 22:00 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=31024 << Interesting push the limit over the description of a windows problem. Lose job. do the same kind of lies about Linux keep job. | Feb 22 22:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why we don't trust Devil Mountain Software (and neither should you) | Between the Lines | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 329.99 KB | Feb 22 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | good distro in a lot of ways, schestowitz | Feb 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/21762.cfm | Feb 22 22:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dear Google: Please end the Web's dependence on Flash, proprietary codecs .::. Size~: 53.69 KB | Feb 22 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically trying to fix all the user interface crap that Ubuntu has baked in | Feb 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: pls, no zdnet | Feb 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | There's better coverage than them | Feb 22 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/t/business/unfortunate-ending-357 read comments | Feb 22 22:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: An unfortunate ending | Business - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 87.42 KB | Feb 22 22:01 |
| _Goblin | daemonFC: I haven't spent much time with Mint, however my Ubuntu deployements probably resemble it in terms of software installed. | Feb 22 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, It handles about like OpenSuse, but they've made a lot of mods to Sus's Slab menu | Feb 22 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | so it actually works very well | Feb 22 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | rips out some awful GNOME stuff like Empathy and Evolution and gives you Pidgin and Thunderbird instead | Feb 22 22:02 |
| _Goblin | To date Ive installed about 35 copies of Ubuntu....only two of those end-users have gone back to MS....Im quite proud of my achievement. | Feb 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | makes it easier to manage the firewall | Feb 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | has the gstreamer bad and ugly codecs and libdvdcss2 | Feb 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | so in other words, a Windows user could pop it in and get going right away | Feb 22 22:03 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: The only thing I remember about Mint is that its green....should really give it a look again. | Feb 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | not have to learn the whole thing at once | Feb 22 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | it makes a good transition, best to give it out to people using Windows currently | Feb 22 22:04 |
| _Goblin | yay..............>>! | Feb 22 22:04 |
| _Goblin | Ive hit 150k visits to my site/blog. | Feb 22 22:04 |
| _Goblin | its only been running just over a year....not bad. | Feb 22 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, It's basically fully Ubuntu compatible, but it handles like a heavily modified OpenSuse | Feb 22 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | is how I'd describe it in one line | Feb 22 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse is a usability nightmare for one reason alone really, YaST | Feb 22 22:06 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I think the last ver I tried was derived from 8.04lts | Feb 22 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Synaptic is much nicer, APT repositories are easier to set up | Feb 22 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | much less likely to have package conflicts in APT | Feb 22 22:06 |
| _Goblin | I think....could be wrong here...that Ubuntu 9.10 now natively handles .rpm's..... | Feb 22 22:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] User @_Goblin has installed GNU/Linux for almost 40 people so far. Thumbs up to him... | Feb 22 22:07 | |
| DaemonFC | I was using Synaptic and APT in Fedora before they had PackageKit ironed out | Feb 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | now I'd say PackageKit ftw | Feb 22 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, No it doesn't | Feb 22 22:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I can name them all, remember them like my children! | Feb 22 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | It has RPM available to comply with the Linux Standards Base requirement | Feb 22 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | and to let you use ALIEN to make DEBs out of them | Feb 22 22:08 |
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| DaemonFC | but you can wreck your system easily by using RPM on Ubuntu | Feb 22 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's not why it's there | Feb 22 22:08 |
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| DaemonFC | hell, even RPM > DEB usually doesn't work unless the RPM has all its dependencies self-contained | Feb 22 22:09 |
| _Goblin | are you sure...Im sure I saw an update with rpm package manager feature.... | Feb 22 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | so grabbing an RPM for Fedora and using Alien to make a DEB usually will not work | Feb 22 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | it'll make the DEB maybe, but there's still dependencies | Feb 22 22:10 |
| _Goblin | let me just check..... | Feb 22 22:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Graphic design discipline: Make Some Icon Every day #msie http://www.flickr.com/photos/rodrigomuller/page2/ #design #minimalism #icons | Feb 22 22:10 | |
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| _Goblin | DaemonFC: yes it can. | Feb 22 22:10 |
| _Goblin | standby | Feb 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: here's what LXer had in its feed hours ago: http://downloads.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=173252?tag=tr.dl.zdn&tag=nl.e530 | Feb 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, The guy that made SMART even said the same thing | Feb 22 22:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Downloads - TechRepublic .::. Size~: 57.74 KB | Feb 22 22:11 |
| _Goblin | convert and install rpm and other packages | Feb 22 22:11 |
| _Goblin | Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages | Feb 22 22:11 |
| _Goblin | into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg. | Feb 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Yeah, it says that | Feb 22 22:11 |
| oiaohm | The exception is proper built LSB packages. | Feb 22 22:11 |
| _Goblin | Alien is present... | Feb 22 22:11 |
| _Goblin | let me try an rpm. | Feb 22 22:11 |
| oiaohm | But there are not that many. | Feb 22 22:11 |
| schestowitz | zong! lxer takeover /saRCASM!11 | Feb 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | now actually USE it to convert something and get back with me on how you installed that thing | Feb 22 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | I don't mean something that has no dependencies | Feb 22 22:11 |
| oiaohm | openoffice rpms works coverted to deb ok and DaemonFC | Feb 22 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | Alien libdvdcss RPM to DEB will likely work | Feb 22 22:12 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: theres a challenge! and an article! | Feb 22 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie they have interdependancies. | Feb 22 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | because it has no external dependencies | Feb 22 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | DEB is a non-standard if you want to go by LSB | Feb 22 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | says nothing about DEB, Dpkg, etc. | Feb 22 22:13 |
| oiaohm | Read the standard again. | Feb 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.starryhope.com/linux/2010/confessions-of-an-ubuntu-fanboy/ | Feb 22 22:13 |
| oiaohm | Particularly the section on packaging. | Feb 22 22:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Confessions of an Ubuntu Fanboy - Starry Hope .::. Size~: 39.44 KB | Feb 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <_Goblin> schestowitz: I can name them all, remember them like my children! | Feb 22 22:13 |
| schestowitz | All My Suns [sic] | Feb 22 22:13 |
| _Goblin | lol | Feb 22 22:14 |
| oiaohm | Prefered format is RPM. DEB is a secondary. Particularly more questionable since rpm5 has duel rpm/deb supoort. DaemonFC | Feb 22 22:15 |
| _Goblin | Right think Im going to watch Zero-1 in a minute.... | Feb 22 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: are you familiar with Netronome's processors? IXP28xx | Feb 22 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: + NFP-32xx | Feb 22 22:17 |
| oiaohm | Ok is the IXP28xx the same a the intel IXP28xx | Feb 22 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | NFP is the later series. IXP28 is 2002+ | Feb 22 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | there are some articles on http://linuxdevices.com | Feb 22 22:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: All About Linux-powered Devices - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 63.49 KB | Feb 22 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I hate it when Deja-Vu means a couple of good friends gets apart *again*. | Feb 22 22:20 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.netronome.com/pages/nfp-vs-ixp | Feb 22 22:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: NFP-32xx vs IXP28XX .::. Size~: 3.51 KB | Feb 22 22:20 |
| oiaohm | Now I see the spec sheet I can under stand why I had very little todo with the IXP28xx | Feb 22 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Who is going to be paying for rambus unless you really have to. | Feb 22 22:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Take my hat off too Goblin for doing that. We all find it diffficult moving to something new. | Feb 22 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | Just got some nice mail from China...... | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "Michael Moore’s Documentary Film “Capitalism: A Love Story” the disastrous impact of corporate dominance on the everyday lives of Americans (and by default, the rest of the world)." | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "“A well-made and informative expose of the tragic consequences of unregulated capitalism regarding the inequitable distribution of Power, Money, and Resources.”" | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "Plutonomy, perhaps like me, you've not heard much about this term, except in the occasional poorly defined rant. Well it's a word we should all learn more about -- since it's one of the new "code words" the uber-rich plutotarians use to maintain their "high stations" in life." | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Plutonomies are likely to grow in the future, fed by capitalist-friendly governments, more technology-driven productivity and globalization. | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Feb 22 22:26 | |
| schestowitz | In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 22 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "The film centers on the financial crisis of 2007–2010 and the recovery stimulus, while putting forward an indictment of the current economic order in the United States and capitalism in general. The film then features the internal Citigroup memo happily declaring the United States a "plutonomy" (a society "where economic growth is powered by and largely consumed by the wealthy few), with the top 1% of the population controlling | Feb 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | more financial wealth than the bottom 95% combined. " | Feb 22 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Wow! | Feb 22 22:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Vudu is dead (wait, who the hell is Vudu) http://ur1.ca/n5iy #walmart #douchebags | Feb 22 22:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wal-Mart buying Vudu streaming movie service? -- Engadget .::. Size~: 133.6 KB | Feb 22 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: is that news to you? | Feb 22 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i saw that memo a while back | Feb 22 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yuo might like this btw http://bitchphd.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-is-really-rich.html | Feb 22 22:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bitch Ph.D. .::. Size~: 32.33 KB | Feb 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | "Elizabeth Warren, the head of the U.S. Congressional Oversight Committee, the government agency serving as a "watchdog" for Congress' wrong-doing, while on camera, when asked where is the $700 billion bailout money which Congress gave to the big banks and Wall Street investment companies, responds with “I don’t know”!" | Feb 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I like Waren | Feb 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | She rejected the Clinton invitation IIRC | Feb 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | She wanted nothing to do with the corrupt world of politics | Feb 22 22:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Feb 22 22:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | wasnt warren on the daily show? | Feb 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Uk-DwUvJw | Feb 22 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Same one? | Feb 22 22:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-15-2009/elizabeth-warren-pt--1 | Feb 22 22:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Video: Elizabeth Warren Pt. 1 | The Daily Show | Comedy Central .::. Size~: 34.89 KB | Feb 22 22:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.sun.com/service/eosl/eosl_opensolaris.html HMM | Feb 22 22:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: End of Service Life Status for OpenSolaris Operating System .::. Size~: 21.08 KB | Feb 22 22:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | watch that | Feb 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights." | Feb 22 22:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no, they're no longer shipping OS-based distros | Feb 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "Roosevelt did not argue for any change to the United States Constitution; he argued that the second bill of rights was to be implemented politically, not by federal judges. Roosevelt's stated justification was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness."" | Feb 22 22:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: solaris from now on is the official sun release of opensolaris | Feb 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: will watch | Feb 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Oh f*** | Feb 22 22:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: its _really_ good. | Feb 22 22:30 |
| schestowitz | US only | Feb 22 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: tunnel | Feb 22 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Feb 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I ought to have remembered | Feb 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, FDR is the reason for the 22nd Amendment | Feb 22 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: solaris is doing what java did | Feb 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and sh | Feb 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | all not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term." | Feb 22 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 22 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: theres going to be an official sun distro, and then an outside group is going to handle it (java->openjdk) | Feb 22 22:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 4 trillion degree Celsius Quark-gluon plasma created http://ur1.ca/n5j1 !science | Feb 22 22:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: In Brookhaven Collider, Briefly Breaking a Law of Nature - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 69.1 KB | Feb 22 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzD1w4Y9IpQ | Feb 22 22:32 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- "We Have A Real Problem Coming..." Elizabeth Warren- head of the Congressional Oversight Panel .::. Size~: 126.4 KB | Feb 22 22:32 |
| oiaohm | The hmm is the end of "End of SS-EOSL" That open solarias has never traditionally need since it never got phone support in the first place. | Feb 22 22:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Feb 22 22:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Roosevelt's remedy was to create an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee: | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Feb 22 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | 1. A job with a living wage | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | 2. Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | 3. A home | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | 4. Medical care | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | 5. Education | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | 6. Recreation | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Feb 22 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security, and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and similar rights had been carried into practice. | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The idea was we'd get a disctator eventually if there was no term limit, kind of a Hugo Chavez type | Feb 22 22:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | and goddamned roosevelt had huge fucking balls | Feb 22 22:33 |
| schestowitz | "The sooner we begin, the sooner we can right this ship, cease the pointless bickering, and chart our course out of this Hell and toward the progressive promised land." | Feb 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | they still call Chavez the President but he's never really out of office | Feb 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | the President's signature on the process of ratification of an amendment to the US Constitution is a formality | Feb 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | because it takes a 2/3rds majority to pass one in Congress anyway | Feb 22 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | so, in today's america, roosevelt's score is 0/0 | Feb 22 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: open solaris never really existed | Feb 22 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, except maybe for (6) which is overdeveloped | Feb 22 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was just the open distro of solaris, which solaris only recently started shipping open solaris to begin with | Feb 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | on a state level, methods to ratify the state constitution vary wildly | Feb 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana's actually protects civil liberties of minorities from majorities better than California's, for example | Feb 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | cause there's no way to force something to a vote by petition here | Feb 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: maybe number (7) was "bombing the c* out of countries with oil" | Feb 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | One year pot is legal in California, the next year it's not. One year, gay couples can get married, the next year they can't. | Feb 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's more of a battle between voters and the legislature out there | Feb 22 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Ike's fear | Feb 22 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: another loophole | Feb 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | And I fear that in doing so, California might technically have voided their statehood | Feb 22 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I've been sent some citigroup docs | Feb 22 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has called them on this | Feb 22 22:39 |
| schestowitz | This is digusting though | Feb 22 22:39 |
| schestowitz | They bring corrupt companies back to life | Feb 22 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Cause they run the system | Feb 22 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you were expecting "The Sound of Music" ? | Feb 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | the US Constitution says that a state government has to be a "Republic", not a Democracy | Feb 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | so California really doesn't have a Republican form of government as long as voters are allowed to change the constitution directly :) | Feb 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I strongly oppose ballot measures of any kind. | Feb 22 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | This is why we have representatives, not to turn around and ask us if it's OK and maybe manipulate the wording on the ballot to trick people to say yes | Feb 22 22:42 |
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| DaemonFC | it's what they do out in California though | Feb 22 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | In Indiana, the legislature has to put something on the ballot, a petition can't do that | Feb 22 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | so it's a little better | Feb 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | Got a Swedish 19 year old that wants a better OS, so it seems she will go Mandriva not Ubuntu | Feb 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | she doesn't even use Facebook or Twitter so those 10.04 social features will be useless | Feb 22 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: NOW | Feb 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | The interesting case was when in 2008, I got to vote to impeach a judge | Feb 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | now that was cool | Feb 22 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | nooooooOOoOOOOOooOOooOooOOooOooOOooow | Feb 22 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | if oracle destroys solaris | Feb 22 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | and burns the source | Feb 22 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | and everything that had to do with it | Feb 22 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | that would be nice | Feb 22 22:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | then they did a good thing | Feb 22 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | gets rid of another piece of fauxpen source | Feb 22 22:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | solaris is an absolute horrid pile of shit | Feb 22 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | thank you | Feb 22 22:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Chinese media reports worker poisoning at #Apple touchscreen maker #Wintek http://ur1.ca/n5ks #douchebags | Feb 22 22:47 | |
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| oiaohm | Some of the ideas developed in solaris have been good. But long history of internal development and the messes that causes does detract away from it usabblity Diablo-D3 | Feb 22 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: hm, i'm on your Friendfeed and i don't see that.. where did you link it? | Feb 22 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: zfs still has no peer | Feb 22 22:49 |
| oiaohm | zones tech as well. openvz is getting close but is not there yet. KMS that linux only recently got Solaris had a form of it for years. Even if solaris dies it still worth while to pick over for tech. | Feb 22 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes I use zones | Feb 22 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem with solaris is the old historic Unix problem. We must build all our own tools. | Feb 22 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: got a url for that China issue? | Feb 22 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: GNU | Feb 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Most unix's avoided shipping with GNU tools. | Feb 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | At all costs. | Feb 22 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: SOlaris 10 ships with many GNU tools including gcc | Feb 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | That is only a recent change. FurnaceBoy | Feb 22 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: recent as in at least 4 yrs :) | Feb 22 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and I am talking Sol 10, not OpenSol (which I don't use) | Feb 22 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Solaris still ships with it own complier as well. FurnaceBoy | Feb 22 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | SOl 8 was when that started to open up, with a F/OSS Companian | Feb 22 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: actually, no, it doesn't. | Feb 22 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's in Sun Studio - separate download | Feb 22 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but gcc is bundled | Feb 22 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | has been for half a decade :) | Feb 22 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Companion* | Feb 22 22:54 |
| oiaohm | So they got saner in the last 4. | Feb 22 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Feb 22 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | but like i say, Solaris 8 started to crack in terms of encouraging F/OSS 3rd party | Feb 22 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Still running there own shell or are they accross to bash. | Feb 22 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | which was just acknowledging common practice (SFW and Blastwave) | Feb 22 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they default to Bourne, but bash is bundled, /bin/bash | Feb 22 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: root shell can bash | Feb 22 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | be^ | Feb 22 22:57 |
| oiaohm | So still defaulting to old unix Bourne | Feb 22 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, for reasonably obvious reasons :) | Feb 22 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | given what we know of their customer base and conservative change management | Feb 22 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you want cutting edge you go OpenSol | Feb 22 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | even zfs in Sol 10 is a few releases behind in Sol 10 | Feb 22 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oups | Feb 22 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | s/in Sol 10$/OpenSol/ | Feb 22 23:00 |
| MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Feb 22 23:00 |
| oiaohm | The conservative change management is why it will take ages to undo all the internal development history. | Feb 22 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yeah it's a burden, but like you say, OpenSol will cherry pick from it | Feb 22 23:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | maturity counts for something in core infra | Feb 22 23:01 |
| oiaohm | I wish it did more. | Feb 22 23:02 |
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| oiaohm | If it did windows would not be in as many critical roles. | Feb 22 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Windows has never been mature. | Feb 22 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | windows in critical role can only be explained by ignorance, undue influence, and/or inertia | Feb 22 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | it cannot happen with a realistic survey of what humankind has created ;-) | Feb 22 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's good for playing solitaire | Feb 22 23:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | apparently | Feb 22 23:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Having looked again I am rethinkimg | Feb 22 23:04 | |
| FurnaceBoy | but even then.. why waste money on the license | Feb 22 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, I just had the pastor of some church call me. (I never pick up if I don't recognize the number) | Feb 22 23:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] No sorry it is all local cooking. Happy to have my errors explained | Feb 22 23:07 | |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: rejoin the flock, renounce your evil ways | Feb 22 23:07 |
| *DaemonFC brutally murders FurnaceBoy and then asks God for forgiveness | Feb 22 23:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Yes i am happy with that, eye of the opinion former | Feb 22 23:09 | |
| DaemonFC | "You can't arrest me, I asked God for forgiveness! Separation of church and state! This is a matter of my personal faith!" | Feb 22 23:09 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5910 Boy one of the best bits of bull crap FUD I have ever read. | Feb 22 23:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Risks in Google killing Adobe Flash | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 103.95 KB | Feb 22 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Christian: "I don't believe in separation of church and state!" Me: "How's that tax-free status working out for you?" | Feb 22 23:10 |
| oiaohm | Hmm that is what lot of Christians forget. Separation between church and state. | Feb 22 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Means the church is not a tax collector. | Feb 22 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Mind you the flat tax rate of old of 10 percent was not too bad. | Feb 22 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah but look at the crap you had to put up with. | Feb 22 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | honestly I thank the French | Feb 22 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Until you wake up its 10 percent per week. | Feb 22 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Not 10 percent per year. | Feb 22 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | VISA! | Feb 22 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | for the bankrupt rock star in you | Feb 22 23:15 |
| *FurnaceBoy mumbles incoherently | Feb 22 23:15 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: if you're there... not seeing the China worker poisoning link in your 'feed, what's the URL? | Feb 22 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt73TC9xRz8 | Feb 22 23:16 |
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| sebsebseb | http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/19/ubuntu-one-music-store-sneak-peek/ | Feb 22 23:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu One Music Store Sneak Peek | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 152.09 KB | Feb 22 23:18 |
| *DaemonFC smacks jono_ with some James Brown MP3s | Feb 22 23:21 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 22 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | 7digital! Of course! | Feb 22 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | So Americans can pay 30% more than Amazon | Feb 22 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | yay!!!! | Feb 22 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | this is craptacular, in fact, it might be the most craptacular thing Ubuntu has ever done | Feb 22 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Well the Amazon Music Store apparantly only works in USA or Canada, or something like that | Feb 22 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well whatever they use so what, I am not buying stuff from it | Feb 22 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't mean I want to get an album that's $7.99 on Amazon for $11.99 on tdigital | Feb 22 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: If I am going to buy music I would much rather buy pshyical albums | Feb 22 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Well, this is going into a blogging | Feb 22 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: maybe a bit bad, since loads of Ubuntu users are from USA | Feb 22 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's a joke | Feb 22 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | and some of the shit on 7digital is only in AAC or WMA | Feb 22 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | Now what? | Feb 22 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | is Ubuntu encouraging you to buy that too? | Feb 22 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yep 10.04 sucks really | Feb 22 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: or so it seems, from what I know about it | Feb 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: alpha 3 will be interesting | Feb 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I am not expecting to be impressed, and I probably won't be | Feb 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | well this Thursday | Feb 22 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | they're doing all kinds of stupid shit | Feb 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | altough if I vm'd a daily build it would probably be similar to alpha 3 | Feb 22 23:26 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: take a stable kernel back port whole stack of proto bits in it. How can you say keep up with jones at the price of your own users. | Feb 22 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uh I don't understand | Feb 22 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Upcomming Ubuntu. | Feb 22 23:27 |
| oiaohm | They have the 2.6.32 that is going to be the year and a bit maintained kernel. Ok that should have been dependanble. | Feb 22 23:27 |
| oiaohm | But then they have gone and pulled DRM from 2.6.33 back into along with other bits. | Feb 22 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yes they might have to support a year on there own, or whatever someone told me before here on IRC | Feb 22 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: DRM in Linux kernel? Digital Rights Management? | Feb 22 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Direct Rendering Management. | Feb 22 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anyway if you look at popey's comment | Feb 22 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: it seems so fake to me | Feb 22 23:28 |
| oiaohm | What X11 server uses. sebsebseb | Feb 22 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | ask jono_, he'll tell you why 30-40% more expensive for Americans is a "feature" | Feb 22 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 22 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I guess like jono_ both of them have to pretend Ubuntu is so great, since they are community members, oh and in that case of jono_ he works for Canonical | Feb 22 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you here? don't miss the above stuff :) | Feb 22 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Really the best thing would have been. Release 2.6.32 as unchanged as able. | Feb 22 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: maybe they could have made two deals? that one and amazon? or at least had amazon available for the Americans problem solved? | Feb 22 23:29 |
| oiaohm | And 2.6.33 for people wanting the newer direct rendering management. | Feb 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I don't know what that is | Feb 22 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Thinkign work on direct rendering management most likely will only complete 2.6.34 or 2.6.35 | Feb 22 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | they aren't building 2.6.33 kernels for F12 yet | Feb 22 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'll install it when they are up | Feb 22 23:31 |
| oiaohm | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DRM I keep on get DRM wrong Direct rendering manager | Feb 22 23:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DRI Wiki - DRM .::. Size~: 23.62 KB | Feb 22 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I forced in was the F13 development packages for Mesa | Feb 22 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like doing that for anything I don't need | Feb 22 23:32 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Now a OS with a unstable video stack how much is it worth. | Feb 22 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | Mesa 7.8 is performing way better than 7.7 | Feb 22 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | and who wants slow video rendering? :) | Feb 22 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I can wait for newer kernels | Feb 22 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Like open source nvidia drivers are still changing there Direct rendering managers interface and there user space code with it. | Feb 22 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oiaohm jono_ http://www.advogato.org/person/mbanck/diary/48.html | Feb 22 23:34 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ....speaking of conservative change management :) | Feb 22 23:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/9498838968 | Feb 22 23:35 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'Shipley's answer strongly suggests that Dadkhah did not submit her Op-Ed unsolicited, but rather, the NYT purposely sought out an Op-Ed to urge more civilians deaths in Afghanistan' | Feb 22 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Yep LGPL 2.1 or later is the GTK licence. | Feb 22 23:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | the paper that syndicates Mr Friedman - why is anyone surprised. it was always gung-ho off to war we go | Feb 22 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Now if you want to merge something into a project you have t licence as per their rules. | Feb 22 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Its not what any one else says. | Feb 22 23:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'Dadkhah's employer -- Booz Allen -- has more overlapping ties with the Pentagon than virtually any other corporation on the planet. The very idea that Dadkhah's employment with a company that has its hooks in virtually every aspect of war policy need not have been disclosed, when she's advocating greater use of air power, is absurd on its face' | Feb 22 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ggreenwald #NYT speaks on mystery Kill-More-Civilians OpEd writer http://is.gd/8XH6j #death industry selling idea of more #war as op-ed | Feb 22 23:40 | |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: hi | Feb 22 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: here to comment about the music store? | Feb 22 23:48 |
| bruce89 | not necessarily, maybe I'm here to talk about astrophotography | Feb 22 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | well DaemonFC bruce89 made an interesting point when it comes to the music store else where | Feb 22 23:49 |
| bruce89 | ugh, I'm not going to be led into this | Feb 22 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: it's fine | Feb 22 23:50 |
| bruce89 | I'll say something if I want to thank you | Feb 22 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: people tend to say pretty much whatever they want in here | Feb 22 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: anyway not many music stores provide free formats, however would be good if they did | Feb 22 23:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: what's new in astrophotography? this guy kicks ass: http://heritage.stsci.edu/gallery/gallery.html | Feb 22 23:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hubble Heritage Gallery of Images .::. Size~: 30.45 KB | Feb 22 23:53 |
| bruce89 | furnaceboy: puts my blurred and dodgy shot of M42 into shame certainly | Feb 22 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: there was mention (/. I think) of a guy doing some amazing backyard work | Feb 22 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | recently | Feb 22 23:55 |
| bruce89 | it certainly can be done, but probably not from the suburbs of Glasgow | Feb 22 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Feb 22 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | did you see the recent identification of the 'darkest place' in UK ? | Feb 22 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | a famous park, where if the rain ever stops, you get extremely low light pollution | Feb 22 23:56 |
| bruce89 | sounds like the whole of Scotland | Feb 22 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | there was an article, in Times Online I think... lemme see if I can pull it up | Feb 22 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | that was easy. first hit. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/space/article6887233.ece | Feb 22 23:58 |
| bruce89 | oh yes, Galloway, I saw it on the news | Feb 22 23:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Bullpen office layouts suck. Unlike other more chatty professions programmers need quiet. They aren't paid to study with the TV on. | Feb 22 23:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Galloway Forest Park: one of the darkest places on the planet - Times Online .::. Size~: 106.5 KB | Feb 22 23:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I still get 404s on their links. sigh. | Feb 22 23:58 |
| *DaemonFC smacks jono_ with a 192k WMA file from 7digital | Feb 22 23:58 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 22 23:58 |
| jono_ | lol | Feb 22 23:58 |
| *bruce89 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Feb 22 23:59 | |
| DaemonFC | WMAbuntu | Feb 22 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | compatible with a Windows 98 box near you | Feb 22 23:59 |
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