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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 24th, 2010

DaemonFCThe Democrats should force an up or down voteFeb 24 00:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: one relate to anotherFeb 24 00:00
DaemonFCthey still have 9 more than they need to change Senate rulesFeb 24 00:00
schestowitzimaginary enemies (fictions) are used by those in power to make real evilFeb 24 00:00
DaemonFCthey're either spineless or they don't want the public option eitherFeb 24 00:00
oiaohmThe regions before islaim that islam is base off says one thing schestowitz.  Yet there text trys to say different.Feb 24 00:00
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/wall-street-bonuses-bailouts/ YAY! YAY!Feb 24 00:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wall Street bonuses jumped 17% after bailouts |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 30.21 KBFeb 24 00:01
schestowitzThe economy is booming!!Feb 24 00:01
oiaohmAll of the older regions say saten was the angel of light.Feb 24 00:01
oiaohmSo he is either at the core of the earth.  Or in the sun.Feb 24 00:01
oiaohmEither place I would not want to spend the rest of my days.Feb 24 00:02
schestowitz"Employment in the securities industry in New York City declined by 31,500 jobs between November 2007 and August 2009, a decline of 16.7 percent. Since then, the industry has added 3,900 jobs through December."Feb 24 00:02
omar_DaemonFC, Who told you that Satan was not an angel in Islam?Feb 24 00:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: very trueFeb 24 00:02
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: re one feeds the otherFeb 24 00:02
schestowitzhttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/in_justice_furor_over_gitmo_appointees_2Yr7Gp8Qh41E4EVWIeAXRPFeb 24 00:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Justice Department's disclosure of nine Obama appointees' advocacy of Guantanamo detainees causes uproad - NYPOST.com .::. Size~: 76.12 KBFeb 24 00:02
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: we might say , convenient fictions ; plus a 'god' we re-make in whatever image suits the momentFeb 24 00:03
Omar87DaemonFC, 'coz that's untrue. He was an angel, but then he refused to prostrate before Adam.Feb 24 00:03
schestowitzHow do I become an ange^H^H^HackerFeb 24 00:03
DaemonFCOmar87, Tell that to WikipediaFeb 24 00:03
Omar87DaemonFC, I see.Feb 24 00:03
schestowitzhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33320.htmlFeb 24 00:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sen. Pat Roberts denies CIA waterboard charge - Kasie Hunt  - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 80.24 KBFeb 24 00:04
MinceRDaemonFC: http://i.imgur.com/RyYXS.jpgFeb 24 00:04
schestowitzKucinich challenges Gates on civilians killed in Afghanistan http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5hPWDEeElnd6r2Ah5rpYhbwLThBIAFeb 24 00:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 24 00:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Canadian Press: Questions linger after air strike on civilian convoy in Afghanistan .::. Size~: 12.01 KBFeb 24 00:04
FurnaceBoyOmar87: naturally, i turn to some guy in Indiana for the truth about islam :)Feb 24 00:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: Conference in Starsbourg on the UPLS central patent court and software patents via the backdoor: http://i5.be/aweFeb 24 00:05
Omar87DaemonFC, actually, no, I might be wrong. I'm sorry. I just mixed between two things.Feb 24 00:05
schestowitzMcBain actually does something decent?? WT??? http://rawstory.com/2010/02/schwarzenegger-calls-gop-health-care-approach-bogus/Feb 24 00:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Schwarzenegger calls GOP approach to health care bogus |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 35.05 KBFeb 24 00:05
FurnaceBoythey have an approach to health care?Feb 24 00:06
Omar87DaemonFC, In Arabic, we refer to the demons in general as "Jinn" meaning "Invisible".Feb 24 00:06
FurnaceBoythat's like saying microsoft is a company that solves technical problemsFeb 24 00:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @zoobab: Conference in Starsbourg on the UPLS central patent court and software patents via the backdoor: http://i5.be/aweFeb 24 00:06
*schestowitz wants to be invisibleFeb 24 00:06
Omar87DaemonFC, good "Jinn", who obey God, are simply called "Jinn" but bad one who disobey him are called "Satans".Feb 24 00:07
schestowitzhttp://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php?ref=fpblgFeb 24 00:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby | TPMDC .::. Size~: 1273.14 KBFeb 24 00:07
FurnaceBoywowFeb 24 00:07
schestowitzPalin’s grandson uses socialized medicineFeb 24 00:07
FurnaceBoythat's still going around?Feb 24 00:07
Omar87DaemonFC, and there's a big difference between "Jinn" and "Angels".Feb 24 00:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you know, I have my own death panel appointment next week here in Canada. Wish me luck.Feb 24 00:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: in other news, the state will abort your childrenFeb 24 00:07
Omar87FurnaceBoy, And who would that guy be?Feb 24 00:08
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and then God will punish you with future disabled children, according to GOFeb 24 00:08
FurnaceBoyGOP*Feb 24 00:08
oiaohmHow long before there are a large numbers of death in the USA system due to fake drugs.Feb 24 00:08
schestowitzhttp://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R40835.pdfFeb 24 00:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 24 00:09
oiaohmFailure to have the medical system under control is a danger to all.Feb 24 00:09
schestowitzhttp://www.wlwt.com/news/22600154/detail.htmlFeb 24 00:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Frustrated Owner Bulldozes Home Ahead Of Foreclosure - Cincinnati News Story - WLWT Cincinnati .::. Size~: 66.76 KBFeb 24 00:09
schestowitz:-DFeb 24 00:09
schestowitzMaybe DaemonFC's dad made the bulldozerFeb 24 00:10
DaemonFCI can only hopeFeb 24 00:10
FurnaceBoyoiaohm: failed stateFeb 24 00:10
Omar87DaemonFC, actually I'm sorry. I was wrong.Feb 24 00:11
*schestowitz has mild sensation of happiness... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35529967/ns/politics-more_politics/Feb 24 00:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Spokesman: Cheney had 'mild' heart attack  - More politics- msnbc.com .::. Size~: 47.4 KBFeb 24 00:11
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't blame himFeb 24 00:11
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: heheheheeFeb 24 00:11
DaemonFCI might do the same thingFeb 24 00:11
schestowitzYou know what would make the best day ever?Feb 24 00:11
schestowitzDick&Rush taking it on the same day.Feb 24 00:11
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: noFeb 24 00:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: arrested, convicted, jailedFeb 24 00:12
oiaohmUK is not much better. Possiable fake drugs turned up over there than they don't even have the gear to test if they are fake or not.Feb 24 00:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: *that* is what happens in a perfect worldFeb 24 00:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the ordinary criminal system is good enough for that typeFeb 24 00:12
Omar87DaemonFC, it's true. Satan was not an angel. He only used to worship Allah with them, but he isn't one of them, he's.Feb 24 00:12
schestowitzThen come the eulogiesFeb 24 00:12
schestowitz"Dick was such a gentleman"Feb 24 00:12
DaemonFCOmar87, You didn't know that?Feb 24 00:12
schestowitzAnd the news anchors say they miss him soooo muchFeb 24 00:12
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFgX83OsEYFeb 24 00:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Hannity and Hitchens - Falwell .::. Size~: 115.88 KBFeb 24 00:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] yes, mr #Gehry, yr roof leaks because you designed a surface with local minimum &no drain http://advogato.org/person/federico/diary/189.htmlFeb 24 00:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Advogato: Blog for federico .::. Size~: 25.62 KBFeb 24 00:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Who knew that celebrity was such a poor substitute for design competence. #gehry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stata_Center #architectureFeb 24 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Stata Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 85.42 KBFeb 24 00:14
Omar87DaemonFC, I did. But I made a mistake. That's all.Feb 24 00:15
DaemonFC78% of those voting in the poll on that page agree with the guy bulldozing his home to keep the bank from taking it. Including me.Feb 24 00:16
DaemonFCwoohooFeb 24 00:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @dandart: We don't want companies controlling our own devices! Please share and sign! http://ur1.ca/kw3t #fsf #gnu #ibad #ipayFeb 24 00:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: iPad DRM endangers our rights | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 13.33 KBFeb 24 00:20
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DaemonFCDoesn't someone have to use one before it endangers our rights?Feb 24 00:27
DaemonFCI think at this point, the Zune is more of a threatFeb 24 00:27
oiaohmXbox360 DaemonFCFeb 24 00:28
MinceRin a way, every instance of DRM endangers our rightsFeb 24 00:28
oiaohmIs getting users use to the idea of being locked in.Feb 24 00:28
MinceRand the fact that someone may use it is a danger by itselfFeb 24 00:28
oiaohmNot really.   The danger is people losing what DRM restrictions are.   ie wake up one day and people believe it normal.Feb 24 00:31
FurnaceBoythey already think Windows is normalFeb 24 00:31
FurnaceBoythat perpetual war is normalFeb 24 00:31
FurnaceBoyetcFeb 24 00:31
MinceRthat's another danger.Feb 24 00:32
MinceRalso, other companies can build it into tablets and say "hey, the hypePad had it too!"Feb 24 00:32
MinceRand then they can use it for lock-in.Feb 24 00:32
oiaohmOnce it is seen as normal its really hard to reverse.Feb 24 00:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa When I've misspelled a word or garbled a sentence in a tweet, I get torn between... // i want a 15-second oopsie edit featureFeb 24 00:35
DaemonFChttp://autos.aol.com/article/dui-car-wouldnt-startFeb 24 00:37
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DaemonFChttp://blogs.citypages.com/gimmenoise/2010/02/nickelback_lose.phpFeb 24 01:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nickelback loses popularity contest... to a pickle - Minneapolis / St. Paul Music - City Pages - Gimme Noise .::. Size~: 61.04 KBFeb 24 01:04
DaemonFC"Even if you take into account the nearly 25,000 Nickelback fans who don't know how to spell the band's name correctly, the pickle is still in the lead:"Feb 24 01:06
DaemonFClolFeb 24 01:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@johnderosa I've begged @twitter several times for the "2nd thoughts" short term edit feature, but they just don't listen to me. #ui #uxFeb 24 01:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is quite possibly the classiest thread ever seen on 4chan /b/. http://is.gd/92J1sFeb 24 01:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 4chanarchive - /b/ - Classy Gentlemen .::. Size~: 100.71 KBFeb 24 01:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Maybe we should use a #Subversion commit hook that limits commit messages to 140 characters, in homage to @twitter.Feb 24 01:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Rule of thumb: Maybe a commit message is like a subject line or topic, plus relevant pointers to more detail (issue refs). #subversionFeb 24 01:43
bruce89incidentally, GNOME git commit messages should be 72 chars for the first line, and then prose in the next linesFeb 24 01:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '05 #energy bill..pushed thru Congress by Cheney, exempted oil&NG industries from SafeDrinkingWaterAct/via @tomphilpott http://bit.ly/brkBipFeb 24 01:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Congress to Investigate Safety of Natural Gas Drilling Practice Known as Hydraulic Fracturing .::. Size~: 54.21 KBFeb 24 01:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] DR THEO COLBORN: Every environmental #law we wrote to protect public #health is ignored/via @tomphilpott http://bit.ly/brkBip #energy #crimeFeb 24 01:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Congress to Investigate Safety of Natural Gas Drilling Practice Known as Hydraulic Fracturing .::. Size~: 54.21 KBFeb 24 01:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ishtarmuz Obesity Epidemic from Monosodium Glutamate? http://tinyurl.com/yzdb56x /cocktail of factors inc "diet" foods, #HFCS, #AspartameFeb 24 01:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Obesity Epidemic Caused by Monosodium Glutamate? - La Leva di Archimede (ENG) .::. Size~: 41.18 KBFeb 24 01:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ishtarmuz Rupert #Murdoch & Corruption of British & Australian #Media http://tinyurl.com/y8nhxu5 #fox /amazing ppl don't know this stuffFeb 24 02:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rupert Murdoch and the Corruption of the British Media - The Education Forum .::. Size~: 112.22 KBFeb 24 02:04
FurnaceBoybruce89: I am really thinking of the case where there is an issue tracker, and suggesting that the prose belongs in the issue. (to a co-worker)Feb 24 02:06
FurnaceBoybruce89: without an issue tracker, i guess the prose would have to go in the commit msgFeb 24 02:06
bruce89that's up for debate currentlyFeb 24 02:06
FurnaceBoyyeah, this is just my gut feel for the project i work on.Feb 24 02:07
FurnaceBoythe way tools like trac treat commit msgs as 1-line topics, it's not good to have a lot of text thereFeb 24 02:07
FurnaceBoyeasily missedFeb 24 02:07
*FurnaceBoy doesn't use gitFeb 24 02:07
bruce89ahFeb 24 02:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Gasland film reveals public #health catastrophe created by the rogue #energy industry /via @tomphilpott http://bit.ly/brkBip #epa #crimeFeb 24 02:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Congress to Investigate Safety of Natural Gas Drilling Practice Known as Hydraulic Fracturing .::. Size~: 54.21 KBFeb 24 02:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the bot could suppress repeated mentionsFeb 24 02:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: 'twould be a public serviceFeb 24 02:12
schestowitzHow do you mean...?Feb 24 02:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: check the last 20 linesFeb 24 02:12
schestowitzYes, uniquesFeb 24 02:13
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sometimes i repeat a link in >1 tweet.. also ppl re-tweet... no need for bot to keep citingFeb 24 02:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 RT @ishtarmuz Rupert #Murdoch & Corruption of British & Australian #Media http://tinyurl.com/y8nhxu5 #foxFeb 24 02:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rupert Murdoch and the Corruption of the British Media - The Education Forum .::. Size~: 112.22 KBFeb 24 02:13
FurnaceBoy^^ case in point :)Feb 24 02:13
schestowitzI still have this baggage of old postsFeb 24 02:13
schestowitzNeed to dispatch some tomorrowFeb 24 02:13
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/22/amazoncom-tops-in-brand-trust-in-usFeb 24 02:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Amazon.com Tops In Brand Trust In  U.S.  | WebProNews .::. Size~: 37.78 KBFeb 24 02:14
schestowitzI've just had to install proprietary software for workFeb 24 02:14
schestowitzAdobe ReaderFeb 24 02:14
schestowitzNow let's see if I can remove the blobFeb 24 02:15
schestowitzI hate this blobFeb 24 02:16
schestowitzRemoving them is not a unified thingFeb 24 02:16
DaemonFCyum removeFeb 24 02:16
DaemonFCapt-get removeFeb 24 02:16
DaemonFCurpmeFeb 24 02:16
schestowitzTheir PDF annotation thing is better than Okular'sFeb 24 02:16
schestowitzDaemonFC: it was a binayr instalelrFeb 24 02:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, Abiword's PDF export has gotten much betterFeb 24 02:16
schestowitzWell, I can't be bothered now..Feb 24 02:16
schestowitzIt's for using comments on papers, from colleaguesFeb 24 02:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, Those usually have some kind of uninstall script in the binary installer packageFeb 24 02:17
schestowitzOkular had something that stood in my wayFeb 24 02:17
schestowitzroy@roy:~/Desktop$ ./AdbeRdr9.3.1-1_i486linux_enu.binFeb 24 02:17
schestowitzExtracting files, please wait. (This may take a while depending on the configuration of your machine)Feb 24 02:17
schestowitzI don't have the resverseFeb 24 02:18
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schestowitz> You can, but traditionally you want to wait.  People get sued sometimes,Feb 24 02:19
schestowitz> if you are not careful.Feb 24 02:19
Jose_Xschestowitz, I wanted to point out 2 comments I just made. They appear at the end of http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002612Feb 24 02:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Against Monopoly  .::. Size~: 32.76 KBFeb 24 02:19
schestowitz(from PJ)Feb 24 02:19
schestowitzAbout Microsoft's expose by employeesFeb 24 02:19
Jose_XThe theme is as follows and leverages comments on that page...Feb 24 02:20
Jose_XPatents can be over anything.Feb 24 02:21
Jose_XThe USPTO gives obvious patents on almost any combination and allows extreme broadness and vaguenessFeb 24 02:21
Jose_XEach patent is very strong and many patents are very costly to fight in court and means you likely violate somewhere.Feb 24 02:21
Jose_XSo a group gets together and pulls in their patents. Each pays a fee and they resolve to make money off the licensing of new groups.Feb 24 02:22
FurnaceBoyi don't quite see that inference...Feb 24 02:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Brilliant tab-tab completion idea Seth Nickell #bash http://blogs.gnome.org/seth/2010/02/24/lil-nugget-from-hackfest/Feb 24 02:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lil Nugget from Hackfest «  Seth Nickell .::. Size~: 11.65 KBFeb 24 02:22
Jose_XThe terms set for new groups will keep favoring more and more those on the insideFeb 24 02:22
FurnaceBoypyramid schemeFeb 24 02:22
FurnaceBoypreciselyFeb 24 02:23
Jose_X..because as more people join, the patent arsenal used to address new groups is that much more formidable in size.Feb 24 02:23
Jose_XFurnaceBoy, wait..Feb 24 02:23
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 24 02:23
Jose_Xdon't give away the punchlineFeb 24 02:23
Jose_Xactually, it need not be a pyramid scheme.. i'll get to this in a momentFeb 24 02:23
FurnaceBoyok please go onFeb 24 02:23
Jose_X:-)Feb 24 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] The Real Purpose of ACTA - Part Deux http://bit.ly/aRnwM9Feb 24 02:24
Jose_XAs time passes, and assuming patents can be taken out on business methods and all sorts of things, we will find that almost anyone will be violating for almost anything they doFeb 24 02:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Real Purpose of ACTA  Part Deux «  Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 79.21 KBFeb 24 02:24
Jose_XOver time, we also have companies go out of business.Feb 24 02:24
Jose_XSo what we get.. over time.. is that the central surviving group controls more of what anyone can or can't doFeb 24 02:24
Jose_XSo new players don't become "full licensees".Feb 24 02:25
Jose_XRather the price will have gone up so much over time and the number of restricted things will have gone up so muchFeb 24 02:25
Jose_Xthat this central group effectively manages a list of things people and businesses can or can't doFeb 24 02:25
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Jose_Xand for those things they can doFeb 24 02:25
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Jose_Xthe tax rate is determinedFeb 24 02:26
Jose_X..ok, applause, laughter.. punchline was reachedFeb 24 02:26
Jose_X....Feb 24 02:26
Jose_Xstill nothing but crickets......Feb 24 02:26
Jose_Xstill nothing but crickets......Feb 24 02:26
Jose_XFurnaceBoy misses cue...Feb 24 02:27
*FurnaceBoy chirrupsFeb 24 02:27
Jose_XJose_X leaves stage and goes home.Feb 24 02:27
*FurnaceBoy reads backFeb 24 02:27
Jose_Xhow do you put obscene finger gestures in irc language?Feb 24 02:27
FurnaceBoyJose_X: yes.Feb 24 02:27
FurnaceBoyJose_X: it's a totalitarian schemeFeb 24 02:27
Jose_Xmade legal by usFeb 24 02:28
Jose_Xby our support of the USPTOFeb 24 02:28
FurnaceBoyJose_X: I don't disagree. And while creeping towards control, they profit all the while.Feb 24 02:28
schestowitzJose_X: very trueFeb 24 02:28
FurnaceBoyJose_X: typical chess move by the cabalFeb 24 02:28
Jose_Xlegally and with our assumed consentFeb 24 02:28
Jose_XTypical Bill GatesFeb 24 02:28
FurnaceBoyJose_X: yes. however we should qualify "legally"... these kind of ppl don't need to follow the law (viz Gates)Feb 24 02:28
schestowitzIV was his ideaFeb 24 02:28
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 24 02:28
schestowitzAnd Nathan'sFeb 24 02:28
schestowitzThey spoke about itFeb 24 02:28
FurnaceBoya pinoffFeb 24 02:28
FurnaceBoyspinoff*Feb 24 02:28
schestowitzI can find the articleFeb 24 02:28
schestowitzThey "came up" with the ideaFeb 24 02:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: of course, they are close buddiesFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzBecause they saw patentsFeb 24 02:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Myhrvold left decades ago, 1983?Feb 24 02:29
schestowitzThen Nathan left and started his mafiaFeb 24 02:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: an early spinoff of MSFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzBill Gates gave him moneyFeb 24 02:29
FurnaceBoyrightFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzMicrosoft to... BILLIONSFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzIIRC 5 billionFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzIs hub still developing? http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2010/02/20/699-aquabus just photos in his blog recentlyFeb 24 02:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Aquabus - Diary of a CrazyFrench .::. Size~: 20.86 KBFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzMicrosoft was never a softare companyFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzIt's a rich kid taking code from a garbage canFeb 24 02:29
schestowitzHe wanted to get richerFeb 24 02:30
schestowitzTo make poppa porudFeb 24 02:30
schestowitzSo he found something to exploitFeb 24 02:30
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 24 02:30
schestowitzGates has his patent troll firm tooFeb 24 02:30
schestowitzSearete LLC IIRCFeb 24 02:30
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/SeareteFeb 24 02:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Searete - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 10.79 KBFeb 24 02:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he suffers from some psychosis - megalomania, sociopathy, probably a whole cocktail of stuff. dangerous individual.Feb 24 02:31
schestowitzYesFeb 24 02:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's not all just 'pleasing daddy'.. he's psychoticFeb 24 02:31
FurnaceBoylike a cheney, just another flavourFeb 24 02:31
FurnaceBoyruling class, if they aren't born insane, they die insaneFeb 24 02:32
schestowitzhttp://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/Feb 24 02:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 24 02:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ^^ bot has this bug too.Feb 24 02:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: too-short timeout?Feb 24 02:33
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/2/19/4459848.htmlFeb 24 02:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Gates Keepers :: Gates Foundation relationship with Catholic Relief Services questioned .::. Size~: 22.46 KBFeb 24 02:33
schestowitz"  In exchange for perpetuating this glorious deception and maintaining a silence on the Gates/Buffett world-wide killing machine, CRS has received in excess of $40 million for global and agricultural development and financial services for the poor from 2003 to 2009. Compared to the billions Bill and Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett and his family spend on their true passion – baby killing and. population control – it’s a drop Feb 24 02:34
schestowitzin the bucket, of course, but I’m sure they consider their money well spent. In reviewing the anti-life record of the Gateses and Buffetts, one they have successfully keep out of the public eye, thanks to organizations like CRS."Feb 24 02:34
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/2/22/4463144.html "Remember "640k ought to be enough for everybody"? Now he is predicting in the field of energy. "Feb 24 02:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Gates Keepers :: Another Gates Foundation yawner at TED .::. Size~: 17.04 KBFeb 24 02:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i have a feeling that writer and I wouldn't see eye to eye on certain topics ;-)Feb 24 02:36
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schestowitz"Talking About Energy at TED"Bill Gates unveils his vision for the world's energy future, describing the need for 'miracles' to avoid planetary catastrophe and explaining why he's backing a dramatically different type of nuclear reactor. The necessary goal? Zero carbon emissions globally by 2050." Others, however, reckon no breakthroughs are needed. "Feb 24 02:36
schestowitzYes, MIRACLESFeb 24 02:36
schestowitzLet's wait for MIRACLESFeb 24 02:36
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schestowitzIn 40 yearsFeb 24 02:36
schestowitzWhen he's deadFeb 24 02:36
DaemonFCor a cyborgFeb 24 02:37
schestowitzEnergy expertFeb 24 02:37
schestowitzformerly harvard law student dumpster diving for codeFeb 24 02:37
schestowitzRecently he has also been an ecnomistFeb 24 02:37
schestowitzPapers came to /him/ for insight about the aconomyFeb 24 02:37
schestowitzMove over, Liz Warren...Feb 24 02:38
schestowitz"We have someone riche^H^H^Hmarter than you"Feb 24 02:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i still can't logically take in Gates talking about innovation. it's like hearing Yoko Ono talking about lethal roundsFeb 24 02:38
FurnaceBoyor something. Feb 24 02:39
FurnaceBoyjust makes my head spinFeb 24 02:39
FurnaceBoythe least original guy on the planet.Feb 24 02:39
FurnaceBoyexcept in the area of scaling criminal organisationsFeb 24 02:39
FurnaceBoy"Wanna go supra-national? Call Billy."Feb 24 02:39
schestowitzOh........Feb 24 02:39
schestowitzWhat have we here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021802919.htmlFeb 24 02:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Melinda French Gates - Education reform, one classroom at a time - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 87.32 KBFeb 24 02:40
FurnaceBoyoh boy.Feb 24 02:40
schestowitzMelinda writes for the paper where she works on the boardFeb 24 02:40
schestowitzAdvertising her little scamFeb 24 02:40
FurnaceBoythis is astonishingFeb 24 02:40
FurnaceBoythe chutzpahFeb 24 02:40
schestowitzShe needs to ensure the husband remains minister of educationFeb 24 02:41
Jose_Xabandon all of these existing companies and ideas and put your money in these little revolutionary private companies I'm taking public.Feb 24 02:42
schestowitzhttp://act.credoaction.com/campaign/cheney_torture/Feb 24 02:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dick Cheney confessed to a war crime. Prosecute him. .::. Size~: 15.18 KBFeb 24 02:42
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schestowitzJose_X:  IV?Feb 24 02:43
Jose_XBill Gates talking about new type of reactor and this and thatFeb 24 02:44
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/21/italy-sex-bribes-berlusconi-electionsFeb 24 02:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sex and bribery claims rock Silvio Berlusconi in run-up to Italy's regional elections |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 70.6 KBFeb 24 02:44
FurnaceBoyhe talks it up, ... this is the "free market" everyone's talking about.Feb 24 02:44
schestowitzJose_X: yes, he has investmentsFeb 24 02:44
FurnaceBoyfree and untarnishedFeb 24 02:44
FurnaceBoydemocratic, egalitarian, fair, meritocraticFeb 24 02:44
FurnaceBoyand I am Coco Chanel.Feb 24 02:44
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/22/bill-gates-and-exxon/Feb 24 02:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bill Gates Invests Heavily in Deception About Global Warming and in Abusive Monopolies | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.58 KBFeb 24 02:44
schestowitzGlobal warming can wait another 40 years, says PearlyFeb 24 02:44
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Jose_XTaking a company public makes people rich.. Bill can use the nonprofit foundry to seed many companies and have these seeds multiply many timesFeb 24 02:45
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/21/fears-iraq-poll-boycott-sunniFeb 24 02:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fears of Iraq poll boycott after Sunni party pulls out |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 70.25 KBFeb 24 02:45
Jose_X...if people like and believe in Bill of courseFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/22/nato-airstrike-deathsFeb 24 02:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Afghan ministers voice anger as civilians killed in Nato air strike |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 74.84 KBFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzJose_X: he has PR for thatFeb 24 02:46
schestowitza LOT of PRFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzSince the 80sFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzHe has always loved itFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzI have a book I read about itFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzFrom the daughter of their PR director or whateverFeb 24 02:46
Jose_XPR into $$$Feb 24 02:46
schestowitzHe only cared about him imageFeb 24 02:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: why would anyone be angry about being killed by Americans? it's an honour.Feb 24 02:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: God has chosenFeb 24 02:46
schestowitzIn BN i posted some  excerptsFeb 24 02:47
schestowitzIn memos he talks about "Evangelisation"Feb 24 02:47
Jose_XWhen people decide to pay 20 times earnings, they are helping Gates cash out of his investment several times wealthierFeb 24 02:47
schestowitzSo that he can wake up in the morning roaring "people love me!"Feb 24 02:47
FurnaceBoyJose_X: preciselyFeb 24 02:47
schestowitzIt's like those days of robber baronsFeb 24 02:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hmm "Magnolia"?Feb 24 02:47
schestowitzPR scares meFeb 24 02:47
schestowitzIt cahn turn monsters like serial murders to heroesFeb 24 02:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Cruise and Messiah complexFeb 24 02:48
schestowitzLike Alexander th GrearFeb 24 02:48
schestowitzWhat did he do anywayFeb 24 02:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: maybe Gates has this messianic problemFeb 24 02:48
schestowitzhe slaughters maybe millions of people, civilians tooFeb 24 02:48
Jose_Xschestowitz, people will question what you mean when you say "he slaughters maybe millions of people"Feb 24 02:49
schestowitzhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/consumer_affairs/article7033563.eceFeb 24 02:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  London councils sue themselves for parking offences - Times Online  .::. Size~: 102.16 KBFeb 24 02:49
schestowitzJose_X: Alexander the GreatFeb 24 02:49
Jose_Xnever mind.. i see you were talking about Alexander (Schestowitz)Feb 24 02:49
schestowitzDarius tooFeb 24 02:49
schestowitzMany of those so-called heroesFeb 24 02:50
schestowitzI think that only Genghis Kahn is portrayed negativelyFeb 24 02:50
schestowitzBut I'm not sure he did much differentluyFeb 24 02:50
schestowitzHe just wasn't EUropeanFeb 24 02:50
schestowitzAnd he enjoyed seeing the sufferingFeb 24 02:50
schestowitzWhich I doubt others like Alexander didn't...Feb 24 02:50
DaemonFChttp://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=158328Feb 24 02:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: kernel-2.6.32.9-64.fc12 | Build Info | Koji .::. Size~: 67.91 KBFeb 24 02:52
DaemonFC2.6.32.9 is buildingFeb 24 02:52
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100218/1045238227.shtmlFeb 24 02:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech Journalist Recommends Suing Google Over Spam Blogs? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 34.65 KBFeb 24 02:53
*schestowitz thinks it's weird to see DaemonFOX as Fedora ladFeb 24 02:54
schestowitzHahaha: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100222/0334278250.shtmlFeb 24 02:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: If A Blogger Links To The New Paywalled NY Times, And It Leads To A Subscription, Will The NYT Pay The Blogger? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 37.52 KBFeb 24 02:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How @cracked writes its article titles http://linkbaitgenerator.com/Feb 24 02:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linkbait Generator .::. Size~: 3.73 KBFeb 24 02:55
DaemonFCschestowitz, And what's wrong with Fedora?Feb 24 02:57
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: touchy!Feb 24 02:57
schestowitzhttp://freakbits.com/88-year-old-avatar-pirate-caught-in-theater-0220Feb 24 02:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    88-Year Old Avatar Pirate Caught in Theater | FreakBits   .::. Size~: 35.22 KBFeb 24 02:57
schestowitzarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........ pirates that old?Feb 24 02:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: nothing is wrong with itFeb 24 02:58
schestowitzI just imagine you as a ubuntows personFeb 24 02:58
DaemonFCarrrrgh!!!! Me hip needs reaplacin!!Feb 24 02:58
DaemonFCheheFeb 24 02:58
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schestowitz"......so this 88-Year Old walks into the cinema........"Feb 24 02:58
FurnaceBoyi didn't rtfm, but isn't it likely somebody put him up to it?Feb 24 02:59
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100222/0045148246.shtmlFeb 24 02:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 88-Year Old Man Caught Taping Avatar With A Camcorder | Techdirt .::. Size~: 91.14 KBFeb 24 02:59
FurnaceBoy"here old man, want to earn some beer money? point this at the screen the whole time and we'll meet you down the pub later and pick it up, with your fiver."Feb 24 02:59
schestowitz"Feb 24 03:00
schestowitzNow, for any compassionate human being, this is a tale of sweetness. What a thoughtful thing this guy wanted to do for his wife.Feb 24 03:00
schestowitzBut the industry doesn't see it that way. To them, it's still "piracy" and a problem. To be honest, if the movie industry stopped with its silly "windowing" concept, this wouldn't have been a problem at all.Feb 24 03:00
schestowitz"Feb 24 03:00
schestowitzROTL http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/02/22/red-bull-verizon-tweets-run-afoul-of-olympics-rules/?mod=wsj_share_twitterFeb 24 03:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Red Bull, Verizon Tweets Run Afoul of Olympics Rules - Digits - WSJ .::. Size~: 79.81 KBFeb 24 03:00
schestowitz*FLFeb 24 03:00
DaemonFCschestowitz, I usually just sneak into the moviesFeb 24 03:00
DaemonFCwatch everything thereFeb 24 03:01
DaemonFCsneak back outFeb 24 03:01
schestowitz"I am man!! I gota EYES!"Feb 24 03:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: do you carry a gun on these trips?Feb 24 03:01
schestowitz"You exceeded your photon quotient, young man!!"Feb 24 03:01
DaemonFCthat's how I saw Avatar, I just sneaked inFeb 24 03:01
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: and s sodaFeb 24 03:02
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I usually have it on meFeb 24 03:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "I'll have popcorn... and 50 rounds armor piercing.. ta"Feb 24 03:02
schestowitzIndiana JonesFeb 24 03:02
DaemonFCthe only time I don't is when I'm walking into a government building of some kindFeb 24 03:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: isn't that when it's most useful?Feb 24 03:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: have you built a Joe Stack shrine yet?Feb 24 03:03
DaemonFCwell, I'd really hate to get on the losing end of a confrontation with an armed high school dropout who went on to become a sheriffs deputyFeb 24 03:03
FurnaceBoyreally? but you have a gun... what's the diff between that and a match between {random civilian who pisses me off}Feb 24 03:03
DaemonFCThe law doesn't say I can shoot someone that pisses me offFeb 24 03:04
FurnaceBoygiven that so many of your fellow citizens think like you, they'll be righteouslyu armed too.Feb 24 03:04
DaemonFCit says I can defend myself from credible threats of harmFeb 24 03:04
FurnaceBoyisn't a cop trying to shoot you a threat of harm?Feb 24 03:04
DaemonFCthat's differentFeb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoywhy?Feb 24 03:05
DaemonFCever tried contesting a speeding ticket?Feb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoywhat if the cop is wrong!Feb 24 03:05
DaemonFCsame thing only now he just shot youFeb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoyhe doesn't know that you're an honest guy.Feb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoya stand-up, straight-shootin guyFeb 24 03:05
DaemonFCwhen you get into court, the cop is rightFeb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoyhe might mistake you for a baddieFeb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoyand aims at youFeb 24 03:05
DaemonFCno matter what the cop says he's rightFeb 24 03:05
DaemonFCeven if he's wrong, he's rightFeb 24 03:05
FurnaceBoyis that when you throw the gun down? when the cop draws a bead?Feb 24 03:06
FurnaceBoyso party's overFeb 24 03:06
DaemonFCunless you have a lot of credible witnesses to attest to the fact that the cop was being unreasonable when he shot youFeb 24 03:06
DaemonFChe was well within his rightsFeb 24 03:06
FurnaceBoyhe might just aimFeb 24 03:06
FurnaceBoythen what do you doFeb 24 03:06
FurnaceBoysince you *know* by definition you're in the right, cuz you're youFeb 24 03:07
DaemonFCthose campus cops that tasered that guy in front of a library full of people didn't get in trouble because they tasered him inappropriatelyFeb 24 03:07
FurnaceBoyso a gun isn't very useful, is it.Feb 24 03:07
DaemonFCthey got in trouble cause too many people saw what really happenedFeb 24 03:08
FurnaceBoyfaint sign of authority you have to put it down.Feb 24 03:08
FurnaceBoyit's only useful when there are no cops around, right?Feb 24 03:08
DaemonFCthe police don't tend to be around when things are happening to youFeb 24 03:08
DaemonFCthey tend to be around to harass you when you WERE having a nice dayFeb 24 03:09
FurnaceBoywhat if they're happening to someone else, like the guy you're pointing the gun atFeb 24 03:09
FurnaceBoyshould the cops be called?Feb 24 03:09
FurnaceBoyor only if somebody out-guns YOUFeb 24 03:09
DaemonFCif I'm pointing a gun at someone, it's for good reasonFeb 24 03:09
DaemonFCso call the copsFeb 24 03:09
FurnaceBoyHAHAH!Feb 24 03:09
FurnaceBoythat's what everyone around you thinks, too, you know that?Feb 24 03:10
FurnaceBoyeverybody around you will give the same rationale.Feb 24 03:10
FurnaceBoy"I'm ok-- it's the other guy who's dangerous."Feb 24 03:10
FurnaceBoyall your packing neighbours think like you.Feb 24 03:10
FurnaceBoywhich of them is dangerous, and which isn't?Feb 24 03:10
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, http://community.netflix.com/video/good-badim-the-guy-with-theFeb 24 03:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Good, bad...I'm the guy with the gun! - A Netflix Community .::. Size~: 32.01 KBFeb 24 03:11
FurnaceBoyexactly.Feb 24 03:11
FurnaceBoymight is right.Feb 24 03:11
FurnaceBoyperhaps the most pure lesson of AmericaFeb 24 03:11
schestowitzAmerica?Feb 24 03:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you know what I mean :)Feb 24 03:12
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8531266.stmFeb 24 03:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 88.24 KBFeb 24 03:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: relative from where yuo are, close enough :)Feb 24 03:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: besides, Canada is tarnished like hell nowFeb 24 03:12
DaemonFChahaFeb 24 03:12
schestowitzI correct people who say "America" hereFeb 24 03:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, rightly soFeb 24 03:12
schestowitzUnless they mean the continentFeb 24 03:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sloppyFeb 24 03:13
schestowitzIt's a little offensive, the Monroe doctrineFeb 24 03:13
schestowitz1904 iircFeb 24 03:13
DaemonFCI'm not worried about offending people.Feb 24 03:13
DaemonFCYou know why?Feb 24 03:13
schestowitzWe knowFeb 24 03:13
DaemonFCThey're not worried about offending me.Feb 24 03:13
schestowitzAnd you have a pistolFeb 24 03:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: all i need to do is hold a gun and i'm automatically right.Feb 24 03:14
DaemonFCoh, they can call me every name in the book, but when I open up on them it's like "ZOMG!!!!!!!'Feb 24 03:14
schestowitzAnd an army bigger budget-wise than the whole world combined (excepting US)Feb 24 03:14
schestowitzFool.Feb 24 03:14
*FurnaceBoy ran out of red wineFeb 24 03:14
schestowitzArrogance comes around @ yaFeb 24 03:14
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: maybe they ran utFeb 24 03:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Hubris Feb 24 03:15
schestowitzSpilling French wine in the streets to make a statement that there are WoMDFeb 24 03:15
schestowitzWHo's the fool now?Feb 24 03:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no they didn't, the LCBO is very well stocked with great wine, reasonable prices, and good service. that's our govt for youFeb 24 03:15
schestowitzDaemonFOX: are you off cigs now?Feb 24 03:16
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: however, i walked right past it and didn't remember to re-stock. dumb.Feb 24 03:16
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Have been for a whileFeb 24 03:19
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you shoot people for calling you names?Feb 24 03:24
schestowitzWaste of bullets?Feb 24 03:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: apparently leaving them unfired is waste ... have to stimulate the economy by increasing the turnover of bullets and casketsFeb 24 03:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: patriotic dyootayFeb 24 03:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and by purifying the pool of "ppl who disagree with me" i am exercising natural selection! and not at all in a Stalinist way!Feb 24 03:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Peak oil imminent http://peakwatch.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452403c69e20120a7c41d72970b-piFeb 24 03:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 24 03:28
FurnaceBoyrnb: are you even awake??Feb 24 03:28
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: heh.Feb 24 03:28
schestowitzDaemonFOX is like this guy......Feb 24 03:28
schestowitzHold on....Feb 24 03:28
FurnaceBoyrnb: i wanna talk to you about work I know of in SP...Feb 24 03:29
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGscnCn9fNY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIKUWgsIncgFeb 24 03:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- NaturalSelector89 is a sub par human .::. Size~: 146.32 KBFeb 24 03:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- I Knew This Would Happen .::. Size~: 112.01 KBFeb 24 03:29
schestowitzDaemonFOX is the one who kills straight people. :-|Feb 24 03:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i'm not sure he would make that determination before shootingFeb 24 03:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: whatever he decides is rightFeb 24 03:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: by definitionFeb 24 03:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he can even say God made him do itFeb 24 03:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: can't prove he didn't!Feb 24 03:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Mexicans are the disease, and DaemonFC is teh Cure!Feb 24 03:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, On one of those low budget crapfests that MST3K was so righteously lampooning, the sheriff chasing the guy was like "Suspect is HOMOcidal!" and then it goes back to the guy the sheriff is chasing and Crowe shouts "NO, I'm heterocidal!!!!"Feb 24 03:34
DaemonFC:DFeb 24 03:34
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Final_SacrificeFeb 24 03:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Final Sacrifice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 30.79 KBFeb 24 03:38
DaemonFCIs that a result of Canadian Content laws?Feb 24 03:38
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4L2lwQiAkA&feature=relatedFeb 24 03:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- MST3K - Rowsdower .::. Size~: 122.35 KBFeb 24 03:38
schestowitzZdnet news gets the new late....... http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/software/0,39044164,62061348,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nwFeb 24 03:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Opera launches first open source project : News : Software - ZDNet Asia .::. Size~: 49.66 KBFeb 24 03:41
schestowitzDaemonFOX: weird vidFeb 24 03:41
schestowitzI couldn't watch itFeb 24 03:41
DaemonFCTV executive says "Great job guys!, It only cost us $1500 in monopoly money and it keeps the government off my ass"Feb 24 03:41
schestowitzIt's lameFeb 24 03:41
schestowitzl8r, gnFeb 24 03:41
DaemonFC"Give yourselves a promotion!"Feb 24 03:41
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxHCsFmwubsFeb 24 03:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- MST3K - The Final Sacrifice - Pipper!  Quick View .::. Size~: 123.32 KBFeb 24 03:42
DaemonFCThat's how you know it was filmed in AlbertaFeb 24 03:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "One man’s common sense is another’s impossible task" http://bit.ly/d4P3C2 #gnomeFeb 24 03:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Heres the takeaway from that last ramble&. «  Seth Nickell .::. Size~: 18.48 KBFeb 24 03:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sorry dudes, there's no original thought in the new #gnome control center. http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/ControlCenterFeb 24 03:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/ControlCenter - GNOME Live! .::. Size~: 25.4 KBFeb 24 03:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (The #gnome drafts are even more ludicrously faithful copies of #Apple's System Prefs. Stop futzing with #icons and dig deeper)Feb 24 03:49
fewaVernor goes to court of appeals - http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/02/11Feb 24 03:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Online Software Reseller Battles Bogus Infringement Allegations | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 13.48 KBFeb 24 03:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: niteFeb 24 03:51
fewaalso notice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_CommissionFeb 24 03:52
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fewahttp://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/02/google-superbowl-ad-explains-need-search-privacyFeb 24 03:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Superbowl Ad Explains The Need for Search Privacy | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 19.97 KBFeb 24 03:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT via @mparent77772 #Europe has insufficient lust for #War, claims #USA http://nyti.ms/apnxYdFeb 24 03:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Rocking The Opportunistic Desktop - a fun few weeks of content to get started making awesome apps - http://is.gd/93eDY #ubuntuFeb 24 04:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                   Rocking The Opportunistic Desktop | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 30.44 KBFeb 24 04:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Don't forget folks, want to get cracking making fun apps - join #ubuntu-app-devel on Freenode. :-) #ubuntuFeb 24 04:20
DaemonFCjono, Mono apps?Feb 24 04:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] CIS view : Arguments Against Software Patents http://post.ly/PJMvFeb 24 04:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle:         CIS view : Arguments Against Software Patents - LUG@IITD Community Blog     .::. Size~: 71.75 KBFeb 24 04:22
DaemonFCdelicious patent encumbered nonfree crapFeb 24 04:22
DaemonFCdoesn't Ubuntu encourage enough of this?Feb 24 04:22
jonoDaemonFC, lolFeb 24 04:22
jonoread the blog entry, all python all the way :)Feb 24 04:23
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fewahttp://www.nytimes-se.com/Feb 24 04:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia .::. Size~: 43.48 KBFeb 24 04:23
fewao wait its replaying it?Feb 24 04:23
fewa thats some good news schestowitz :PFeb 24 04:23
fewahttp://www.nytimes-se.com/videoFeb 24 04:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia .::. Size~: 68.61 KBFeb 24 04:23
DaemonFCjono, I'm still waiting for your new web browser\Feb 24 04:24
jonoDaemonFC, new web browser?Feb 24 04:24
DaemonFCMono frontend, GtkWebkit, and only allows you to use Yahoo searchFeb 24 04:24
jonoDaemonFC, lol, riiiightFeb 24 04:25
jonothanks for your contribution to free softwareFeb 24 04:25
jono:)Feb 24 04:25
DaemonFCyou can sell an advertisement panel in it if you get boredFeb 24 04:25
jonoI find that trolling people always helps the cause :)Feb 24 04:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Installing Lucid on a System76 Lemur - http://is.gd/93g3b - sweet, sweet, machine. :-) #ubuntu #system76Feb 24 04:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lemur UltraThin - Ubuntu Linux Laptop - 14.0 inch - system76, Inc. .::. Size~: 33.7 KBFeb 24 04:26
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Agent-SmithGN folksFeb 24 04:29
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Agent-SmithSaw an article on H online...Feb 24 04:30
Agent-Smithhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Sold-out-Microsoft-s-Linux-business-is-booming-922676.htmlFeb 24 04:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sold out: Microsoft's Linux business is booming - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 29.12 KBFeb 24 04:30
Agent-SmithDid you see that ???Feb 24 04:31
fewaAgent-Smith, thats the majority of "news" in the worldFeb 24 04:31
Agent-SmithWTF ?!?!? Third place in Linux vendors is M$ ???Feb 24 04:32
Agent-SmithWhere the world is going to ???Feb 24 04:32
fewaits circular deals Agent-Smith Feb 24 04:32
fewanumbers on paperFeb 24 04:32
Agent-SmithHummmm, even so, M$ is stretching too much its tentacles on the Linux/Open Source turf...Feb 24 04:33
Agent-SmithFrightens me what they'll do next. And possibly disrupt the Floss movement...Feb 24 04:34
fewadon't get so worked upFeb 24 04:35
fewathe key to fighting back is to help people understand what software libre isFeb 24 04:35
fewa because that cannot be fakedFeb 24 04:35
Agent-SmithEven so, the laws could forbid us to use FLOSS in the futureFeb 24 04:36
Agent-SmithAnd, as M$ pulls the strings on politiciansFeb 24 04:36
fewaand such laws would be unenforcable, considering how much FLOSS is already deployeedFeb 24 04:36
fewain super important applicationsFeb 24 04:36
fewaI feel you are a troll Agent-Smith Feb 24 04:37
Agent-SmithYour feelings are wrongFeb 24 04:37
Agent-SmithI'm concerned with the state of thingsFeb 24 04:37
Agent-SmithBTWFeb 24 04:37
Agent-SmithI've never saw you aroundFeb 24 04:37
fewaI think Google is a much bigger threatFeb 24 04:37
fewaI use to be here alotFeb 24 04:37
fewalook at the archivesFeb 24 04:37
Agent-SmithWell, i drop by sometimesFeb 24 04:38
Agent-SmithGoogle is no saint eitherFeb 24 04:38
fewahttp://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.htmlFeb 24 04:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft is Dead .::. Size~: 16 KBFeb 24 04:38
Agent-SmithBut M$ is the worst of the bunchFeb 24 04:38
Agent-SmithCrapple is dangerous tooFeb 24 04:38
fewayesFeb 24 04:39
Agent-SmithEven Nokia is a disoriented rabid dog...Feb 24 04:39
fewaespecially how they corrupt FLOSS and lower expectations of autonomyFeb 24 04:39
Agent-SmithYupFeb 24 04:39
Agent-SmithThe way they put DRM into flossFeb 24 04:39
fewaMS never did that so successfully as appleFeb 24 04:39
Agent-SmithThis is frighteningFeb 24 04:39
fewaMS actually looks civil in comparisonFeb 24 04:40
Agent-SmithBTW, i'm from the Sidux Commmunity BrazilFeb 24 04:40
Agent-Smithhttp://sidux.forumdebian.com.br/Feb 24 04:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: sidux.com.br • Página Principal .::. Size~: 36.74 KBFeb 24 04:40
Agent-SmithDrop by Feb 24 04:41
Agent-SmithYou are welcomeFeb 24 04:41
Agent-SmithWith Ubuntu slowly going... Nowhere, i think, community distros may be the answer...Feb 24 04:42
Agent-SmithBut they don't have the appeal Ubuntu has...Feb 24 04:42
Agent-SmithTo the largers masses...Feb 24 04:42
fewaDebianFeb 24 04:42
fewamoving to time-based releaseFeb 24 04:43
fewaneeds a more inclusive standard desktopFeb 24 04:43
fewaand a installable live CDFeb 24 04:43
fewaIMHOFeb 24 04:43
Agent-SmithWell, i did not think that was bad. Time based releases are an improvement, i thinkFeb 24 04:44
Agent-SmithWell, well... I really panicked when i read that articleFeb 24 04:45
fewathat was the point of the writerFeb 24 04:45
fewaIMHO the text on such things is "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam ChomskyFeb 24 04:46
Agent-SmithHe got what he wanted... And i guess not only from me...Feb 24 04:46
fewahttp://blog.worldlabel.com/2009/brazilian-president-lula-da-silva-brings-attention-to-free-software.htmlFeb 24 04:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Brazilian President Lula da Silva brings attention to Free Software  | Worldlabel Blog .::. Size~: 25.57 KBFeb 24 04:46
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Agent-SmithHummm... Our government here is complicatedFeb 24 04:47
Agent-SmithThey could rid the public administration from M$ if they wanted to.Feb 24 04:48
Agent-SmithYou know, there's more marketing than real efforts...Feb 24 04:48
Agent-SmithMarketing stunts, as they say...Feb 24 04:49
Agent-SmithPR stunts too...Feb 24 04:50
fewahttp://lwn.net/Articles/90428/Feb 24 04:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft suing Brazilian official [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 27.65 KBFeb 24 04:50
fewahttp://lwn.net/Articles/90619/Feb 24 04:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A legal attack in Brazil [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 10.2 KBFeb 24 04:51
Agent-SmithOhhh, yeah, that really happenedFeb 24 04:51
Agent-SmithThe man called Bill G a drug dealerFeb 24 04:51
fewaand he called himself it...Feb 24 04:51
fewaduring the dot com boomFeb 24 04:52
Agent-SmithI remember to read the Comes Vs M$ documentsFeb 24 04:52
Agent-SmithAnd he saysFeb 24 04:52
Agent-SmithHe wants people to get addicted to winblow$Feb 24 04:53
fewahttp://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdfFeb 24 04:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 24 04:53
Agent-SmithSo they can charge them someday in the future...Feb 24 04:53
fewathats the best and most concise document of MS crimesFeb 24 04:53
fewato save people's timeFeb 24 04:53
Agent-SmithLet me see...Feb 24 04:53
Agent-SmithAhhhFeb 24 04:55
Agent-SmithAn interesting linkFeb 24 04:55
Agent-Smithhttp://www.aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html#indexFeb 24 04:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft the Company .::. Size~: 62.04 KBFeb 24 04:55
Agent-SmithA chronological list of M$ abuses on other companiesFeb 24 04:56
fewaThe one I posted is just so well writtenFeb 24 04:56
fewaand accessable to a non-technical audienceFeb 24 04:56
Agent-SmithI'll take a lookFeb 24 04:57
fewaI've read alot of stuff, comes, us v Microsoft, the disposition of gates from that, etc. But that document stands outFeb 24 04:58
Agent-SmithWho wrote that document ???Feb 24 05:04
fewaEuropean Committee for Interoperable SystemsFeb 24 05:06
fewahttp://ecis.eu/Feb 24 05:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ECIS .::. Size~: 18.61 KBFeb 24 05:06
Agent-SmithAhhh...Feb 24 05:06
Agent-SmithWell, i'll read it carefully. But somethings slipped...Feb 24 05:07
Agent-SmithStac...Feb 24 05:08
Agent-SmithThe Hijack of CP/M-86Feb 24 05:08
Agent-SmithAnd rebrand as MS DOS...Feb 24 05:08
fewaif its not a monopoly abuse its not in thereFeb 24 05:09
Agent-SmithAhhh, sure, M$ has many frightening stories. Not all related to monopoly... Feb 24 05:10
Agent-SmithWell, thanks for the documentFeb 24 05:10
Agent-SmithI am calling it a nightFeb 24 05:10
Agent-SmithFolksFeb 24 05:10
Agent-SmithGood night to allFeb 24 05:11
fewagnFeb 24 05:11
Agent-SmithCya aroundFeb 24 05:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Need more guitar. Too much computer.Feb 24 05:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] When using open source makes you an enemy of the state | Technology | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/y9dy9e6Feb 24 05:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: When using open source makes you an enemy of the state |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 109.4 KBFeb 24 05:59
*DaemonFC holds FurnaceBoy at gunpoint and makes him attend a Sting concertFeb 24 06:06
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 06:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] the fun and games of snow, you'd think it was winter or something lolFeb 24 06:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I just noticed, I'm already pretty much used to the 92% size keyboard on the netbook, my typing is pretty much as fast & accurate as beforeFeb 24 06:21
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/21/us/21cameras.html?_r=1Feb 24 06:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.51 KBFeb 24 06:29
ThistleWindschestowitz: you have to che3ck out this weeks ep of tech weekly, the zoomer at the endabout how free culture has been a complete failureFeb 24 06:48
ThistleWindhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/feb/23/jaron-lanier-charitable-webFeb 24 06:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech Weekly podcast: San Francisco's tech projects saving the developing world |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 95.6 KBFeb 24 06:48
ThistleWindhe's completely cluelessFeb 24 06:48
ThistleWindadded to an article about how free software should be treated as piracy.....seems the gaurdian are on a pay day from the copyright cartellFeb 24 06:49
ThistleWindit's the jaron lanier interview at the endFeb 24 06:50
DaemonFCwhere did they say that?Feb 24 06:50
ThistleWindlisten to the episode, it starts about 20mins inFeb 24 06:51
ThistleWindhe's the last segmentFeb 24 06:51
ThistleWindit's an all out dissing of EVERYTHING around crowd sourcing, free software, free media etcFeb 24 06:51
ThistleWindanything created by "the people" basiclyFeb 24 06:52
DaemonFChe's talking about musiciansFeb 24 06:52
ThistleWindno, listen to itFeb 24 06:52
ThistleWindin part it's about music, but only in partFeb 24 06:52
DaemonFCDigital Maoists?Feb 24 06:54
DaemonFCuggghFeb 24 06:54
ThistleWindthe whole thing is kinda OTT and cluelessFeb 24 06:55
DaemonFCworld of open access means you get to pay everytime you look at something?Feb 24 06:55
DaemonFCthat would be the death of the internet Feb 24 06:55
ThistleWindpay to clickFeb 24 06:55
ThistleWindwhich is all spamFeb 24 06:56
ThistleWindor pay to say evenFeb 24 06:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] I visited some school at Jaipur where director was telling me (w/ huge proud) they are legal parter with M$. Big posters of M$ Bullshit #wtfFeb 24 06:56
ThistleWindthis dude is so off the mark that you don't know where to beginFeb 24 06:57
DaemonFCzomgtheywontpayforfoxnews!Feb 24 06:58
DaemonFCThistleWind, http://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/demotivational_posters/bravery.jpgFeb 24 07:04
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DaemonFC:)Feb 24 07:04
ThistleWindlolFeb 24 07:05
DaemonFChttp://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/demotivational_posters/fatherhood.jpgFeb 24 07:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Not long until International Women's Day on the 8th March - http://is.gd/93QmQ - be sure to find a way to celebrate it where you are, folks!Feb 24 08:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: International Women's Day .::. Size~: 28.31 KBFeb 24 08:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Great to see the GNOME UX hackfest going well at the Canonical office in London - http://is.gd/93QME #gnomeFeb 24 08:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNOME UX Hackfest Photos «  Máirín Duffy .::. Size~: 28.2 KBFeb 24 08:07
schestowitzThus guy gets annoyed every time I criticise patents.... http://twitter.com/BytePatent/statuses/9558449670Feb 24 08:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Richard Almon: Tim Bray should tell Darby ... .::. Size~: 10.26 KBFeb 24 08:11
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schestowitzhttp://www.esecurityplanet.com/features/article.php/3866121/Wiretapping-the-Internet-Legal-and-Dangerous.htmFeb 24 08:26
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/022210-computer-science.html "Corporate recruitment of top computer science grads has remained steady throughout the economic downturn. Last spring, at the height of the recession, Georgia Tech's College of Computing had the highest job placement rate of any major on campus and the highest starting salary. "Feb 24 08:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Want a job? Get a computer science degree .::. Size~: 84.69 KBFeb 24 08:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The USPTO grants patents for business methods, so that you can exclude your competitors from doing business the same way: http://i5.be/awjFeb 24 08:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sterne Kessler: Services: Business Method Patents .::. Size~: 12.35 KBFeb 24 08:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Legal debates and discussions around software and patent protection are impassioned, energetic, and sometimes bewildering: http://i5.be/awlFeb 24 08:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Black Duck Blog  » Blog Archive   » Why Black Duck Software was granted patent protection by the US Government  .::. Size~: 29.02 KBFeb 24 08:42
Diablo-D3I just realized somethingFeb 24 08:43
Diablo-D3the kindle dx is...Feb 24 08:43
Diablo-D31) bigger screen than the ipadFeb 24 08:43
Diablo-D32) has actual content nowFeb 24 08:43
Diablo-D33) higher resFeb 24 08:43
Diablo-D34) longer battery lifeFeb 24 08:43
Diablo-D35) useful physical interfaceFeb 24 08:43
Diablo-D36) the same price as the cheapest ipadFeb 24 08:44
Diablo-D37) the bigger brother of an even cheaper than the ipad product.Feb 24 08:44
Diablo-D3if they'd make a color kindle dx, apple would be fucked.Feb 24 08:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] 'nuff work. Goodnight, Internet, see you in seven hours. :-)Feb 24 08:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Those who invest in projects like Peer-to-Patent are part of the conspiracy: http://i5.be/awmFeb 24 08:53
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schestowitzHahaha.Feb 24 09:05
schestowitz"Its scary to think that some of the people we have in our government right now believe in alot of the same principles as this lunatic. And our fearless loser (Obama) is one of them." http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/02/21/sunday-open-thread-marx-edition/Feb 24 09:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  » Sunday Open Thread: Marx Edition - Big Government .::. Size~: 127.44 KBFeb 24 09:05
schestowitzMore FAUX brainwashFeb 24 09:05
schestowitzzoobab: Tim Yeaton looks like you-know-whoFeb 24 09:07
zoobabsureFeb 24 09:21
schestowitzhttp://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/technology/local-users-and-analysts-upbeat-about-suns-futureFeb 24 09:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computerworld > Local users and analysts upbeat about Suns future .::. Size~: 32.47 KBFeb 24 09:26
schestowitzzoobab: not the first time I notice that BTWFeb 24 09:26
schestowitzIt's just a little funny because I think of Black Duck as Microsoft spinoffFeb 24 09:26
schestowitzSecond FOSS FUD article yesterday.... http://www.smh.com.au/technology/free-software-can-have-a-catch-20100222-orts.htmlFeb 24 09:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Free software can have a catch .::. Size~: 91.99 KBFeb 24 09:30
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9160398/Managing_software_legal_compliance "be very afraid1!!!"Feb 24 09:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I recently bought a jar of coffee for the first time in a few years. Mistake. Caffeine is a surprisingly strong drug.Feb 24 09:42
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schestowitz"Open source is a technique to accelerate adoption and it doesn't have the same fit [in Smarter Planet] as it does in other parts of the infrastructure," Zollar said. http://opensource.cbronline.com/news/no_fit_for_open_source_in_ibms_smarter_planet_tech_230210Feb 24 09:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: No fit for open source in IBM's Smarter Planet tech - Open Source : News .::. Size~: 48.9 KBFeb 24 09:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: "deeply concerned by the secrecy surrounding international negotiations": MPs sign #ACTA motion: http://bit.ly/bt3I7JFeb 24 09:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK Parliament - Early Day Motions By Details .::. Size~: 30.66 KBFeb 24 09:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Switched TV on to #Ubuntu #Boxee box last night to enjoy some downloaded TV.Update Manager was on the screen.thought this wasn't to happen!Feb 24 09:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: ████ the EU C██████!Feb 24 09:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: #ACTA: #EU Council partially declassifies EU draft negotiation document—but the content remains hidden http://tr.im/PxqmFeb 24 09:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Windows Mobile decline both relative and absolute. http://is.gd/94b3QFeb 24 10:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows Mobile decline both relative and absolute - MOBILE.BLORGE .::. Size~: 35.21 KBFeb 24 10:09
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Windows Mobile decline both relative and absolute. http://is.gd/94b3QFeb 24 10:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows Mobile decline both relative and absolute - MOBILE.BLORGE .::. Size~: 35.21 KBFeb 24 10:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Tiny Computer with Plenty of Connectivity, No OS. http://is.gd/94csSFeb 24 10:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Habey's BIS-6620: Tiny Computer with Plenty of Connectivity, No OS | Maximum PC .::. Size~: 51.05 KBFeb 24 10:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Tiny Computer with Plenty of Connectivity, No OS. http://is.gd/94csSFeb 24 10:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Habey's BIS-6620: Tiny Computer with Plenty of Connectivity, No OS | Maximum PC .::. Size~: 51.05 KBFeb 24 10:17
zoobabit has always an OSFeb 24 10:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1593070/inq-redesign needs better contentFeb 24 10:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                     Inq gets a redesign - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 157.17 KBFeb 24 10:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @greve If you don't find truth in Dilbert, you haven't been in business long enough, me thinks... http://ur1.ca/n71oFeb 24 10:29
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/23/google_to_end_you_tube_ie6_support/Feb 24 10:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube's IE6 support dies on March 13 • The Register .::. Size~: 21.32 KBFeb 24 10:55
cubezzzanther Intel Atom device :-/Feb 24 10:57
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/22962550 "@schestowitz yep, amazon is a red hat user. so it enjoys our legal warranty."Feb 24 10:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jan Wildeboer (jwildeboer) 's status on Wednesday, 24-Feb-10 10:38:17 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.26 KBFeb 24 10:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] UK national bullying help line has been suspended amidst political and confidentiality controversyFeb 24 11:03
schestowitzhttp://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/ is brokenFeb 24 11:05
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] UK national bullying help line has been suspended amidst political and confidentiality controversyFeb 24 11:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] How to handle attacks on you in the blogosphere. http://is.gd/94lXh #debate #media #trollsFeb 24 11:12
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] How to handle attacks on you in the blogosphere. http://is.gd/94lXh #debate #media #trollsFeb 24 11:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/serious-threat-to-web-in-italy.htmlFeb 24 11:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Official Google Blog: Serious threat to the web in Italy .::. Size~: 83.04 KBFeb 24 11:19
schestowitzhttp://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2010/02/nokias_loss_is_apples_gain_in.htmlFeb 24 11:22
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] seems like i screwed up something :| . #lessonlearnt need to fix things up :|Feb 24 11:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A counter-campaign to abolish patenting altogether, it denounced the idea of a patent as monopolistic retrogressive absurd: http://i5.be/awpFeb 24 11:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dangers of over-zealous intellectual property cops - Short Stack .::. Size~: 31.93 KBFeb 24 11:31
oiaohmI am currently on my spare keyboard I just happen it hate it slightly.  Its a old apple keyboard that will not dieFeb 24 11:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: counter-campaign: abolish patenting altogether, denounc idea of a patent as monopolistic retrogressive absurd: http://i5.be/awpFeb 24 11:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dangers of over-zealous intellectual property cops - Short Stack .::. Size~: 31.93 KBFeb 24 11:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Great Free song by cjvanbrakel, tune of NGCHDTV. There is a link to the MP3 file as well: http://tinyurl.com/ylyxoas working on a trance mixFeb 24 11:49
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oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/22915/EU_Launches_Antitrust_Inquiry_Into_Google  GreatFeb 24 11:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @leplaid: Using open source makes you an enemy of the state http://bit.ly/cQ4j0z #foss #gnu #terroristFeb 24 11:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: When using open source makes you an enemy of the state |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 113.28 KBFeb 24 11:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New mumbuntu Blog Post: "You have been eaten by a grue" http://bit.ly/d2uSggFeb 24 12:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: You have been eaten by a grue | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 27.93 KBFeb 24 12:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FFII Founder says the fight against software patents is its 3rd round now: http://i5.be/awrFeb 24 12:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PILCH Hartmut / 裴寒牧 / phm .::. Size~: 5.42 KBFeb 24 12:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: FFII Founder says the fight against software patents is its 3rd round now: http://i5.be/awrFeb 24 12:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Indonesian government's policy weakens the software industry [...] by prefering companies offering open source http://i5.be/awsFeb 24 12:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PILCH Hartmut / 裴寒牧 / phm .::. Size~: 5.42 KBFeb 24 12:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Scathing attack on Israel in pm's questions just now. #Israel #palestine #occupationFeb 24 12:32
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Scathing attack on Israel in pm's questions just now. #Israel #palestine #occupationFeb 24 12:32
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Giant predatory shark fossil unearthed in Kansas http://ur1.ca/nczz !scienceFeb 24 12:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EU plans for an Supreme Patent Court and "but can it survive an attack from Hartmut Pilch?" http://i5.be/awtFeb 24 13:10
schestowitzHeh. Skip to his conclusion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EAFeb 24 13:12
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cubezzzFOSS is unstoppableFeb 24 13:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The [software patent] battle has shifted to an effort to create a special patents court: http://i5.be/awtFeb 24 13:13
cubezzzto stop FOSS you would have to stop text from being transferred over the internetFeb 24 13:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting increasingly concerned about trusting my #drobo. http://bit.ly/9RLIf7 Probably wont upgrade disks now. Looking at alternatives.Feb 24 13:14
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cubezzzor have some sort of dracoian DRM type computerFeb 24 13:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FFII or the army of students: http://i5.be/awtFeb 24 13:15
schestowitzcubezzz: won't workFeb 24 13:21
cubezzzyeah exactlyFeb 24 13:23
cubezzzFOSS is unstoppable :)Feb 24 13:23
Diablo-D3FOSS CANNOT BE STOPPEDFeb 24 13:24
*Diablo-D3 rages ... with the machine?Feb 24 13:24
*Diablo-D3 confused.Feb 24 13:24
cubezzzyeah rage _with_ the machine, that's the secretFeb 24 13:24
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EruaranGood evening allFeb 24 13:26
cubezzzmorning :)Feb 24 13:26
EruaranTechnically speaking it is morning here alsoFeb 24 13:27
Eruaran12:20amFeb 24 13:27
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EruaranI think Mono might end up nothing more than noise, static, in the scheme of things. 10 years from now, without Microsoft and Novell's ongoing patronage, where will Mono and Mono applications be? And will anybody care?Feb 24 13:47
Eruaran(which is not to day that people shouldn't point out the issues relating to Mono)Feb 24 13:48
oiaohmI really don't see mono disappearing as fast as any of us will like.Feb 24 13:49
oiaohmThe intergration with llvm is about doing something MS most likely never dreamed would happen to .netFeb 24 13:50
oiaohmIe the means to use it like any other language to create binaries.Feb 24 13:50
oiaohmAnnoying that means it will be around for a long time to come.Feb 24 13:51
cubezzzjust use LFSFeb 24 13:51
cubezzzthen you have 100% controlFeb 24 13:51
EruaranI'm glad that Mono boosters at Novell have received nothing but a wet towel response from folks in the KDE community.Feb 24 13:52
oiaohmKDE has plently of there own plans.Feb 24 13:53
EruaranyesFeb 24 13:53
oiaohmIncluding a lot of javascriptFeb 24 13:53
EruaranindeedFeb 24 13:53
oiaohmMost people don't notice how stagenet gnome development is.Feb 24 13:54
EruaranI love the idea of Plasma making it super easy for people to make their own widgets and things. I like Plasmate.Feb 24 13:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] [Patent] legislation works in favor of big business, and small companies or independent inventors are left out in the cold: http://i5.be/awuFeb 24 13:56
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EruaranGNOME lacks a future vision.Feb 24 13:57
EruaranAnd is harmed by people who have the kind of future vision GNOME definately should not follow.Feb 24 13:57
oiaohmPlasma it self is bring cross distro code.Feb 24 13:58
cubezzzso you all use KDE I assume?Feb 24 14:00
EruaranI do.Feb 24 14:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent Attorneys and cancer doctors: a [patent attorney is] a cancer doctor working to cause more people to have cancer: http://i5.be/awuFeb 24 14:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Would you give up your right to sue others for patent infringement in exchange for immunity from all patent lawsuits? 84%Y http://i5.be/awuFeb 24 14:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Italy will be soon disconnected from the #Internet http://ur1.ca/nd6zFeb 24 14:22
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schestowitzEruaran: mono failed to spreadFeb 24 14:23
schestowitzThey have been trying for yearsFeb 24 14:23
Diablo-D3mono failed to spread because its java done wrongFeb 24 14:24
schestowitzItaly is already disconnected from reality when it comes to the WebFeb 24 14:25
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oiaohmcubezzz: I see KDE bring items to Linux that are requirements for future.   Now is everything KDE does right.  Hell no.   But progress is progress  for every 2 steps forwards there has to be one back.Feb 24 14:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab:Would y giv'up yr right t sue othrs fr patent infringement in exchange fr immunity from all patent lawsuits? 84%Y http://i5.be/awuFeb 24 14:35
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amarsh04Eruaran, I may see the Wayne Shorter quartet at the Adelaide Festival, probably about as close as one can get to Miles Davis and Jon Coltrane these daysFeb 24 14:49
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAxMQ Some events in the OSS world are always interesting.Feb 24 14:52
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Eruaranamarsh04: sounds coolFeb 24 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] [Public-software] Welcome to the Mailing List http://bit.ly/97lmCm #foss #publicsoftwareFeb 24 14:57
oiaohmhttp://www.blendernation.com/job-opening-terrestrial-3d-scanning/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Blendernation+%28BlenderNation%29  Not your normal jobFeb 24 14:59
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schestowitzGood for BlenderFeb 24 15:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Online #Banking with #GNU #Linux Becoming a Trend http://ur1.ca/ndc2Feb 24 15:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Seven Wonders of #GNU #Linux http://duncsweb.com/2010/02/23/7-wonders-of-the-linux-world/Feb 24 15:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft "Plays Catch-up" with #GNU #Linux , New Tiny Computer Comes Windowsless http://ur1.ca/ndd4 http://ur1.ca/ndd6Feb 24 15:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.4 "so beautiful, I think I'm going to cry" http://ur1.ca/n8is #gnu #linuxFeb 24 15:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNOME Shell, Other Important Developments at GNOME 3 UX Hackfest http://ur1.ca/ndds http://ur1.ca/nddtFeb 24 15:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] If #Oracle intends to shutdown #Solaris, would they please free it all under the "GPLv2 or later" so the good things can be reused?Feb 24 15:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Where #LXDE is Better Than "Conventional" #GNU #Linux Desktop Environments http://ur1.ca/ndexFeb 24 15:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Top 10" Minimalist Distributions of #GNU #Linux http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/10-best-minimal-low-footprint-linux-distros/Feb 24 15:35
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cubezzzI agree, KDE is better than GNOMEFeb 24 15:36
cubezzzbut I like older KDE the most :)Feb 24 15:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Has Nice New Wallpapers, Ubuntu Founder to Speak at #Pycon http://ur1.ca/n8ix http://ur1.ca/ndh6Feb 24 15:42
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schestowitzcubezzz: I don't think I could get back to older KDEFeb 24 15:53
cubezzz"Kandalf the wizard was the former mascot for the KDE project during its 1.x and 2.x versions, but he was dropped due to copyright issues"Feb 24 15:54
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cubezzzstill looking for 3.4.2 sourceFeb 24 15:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux on Sub-notebooks Works Well and #HP Tries #Android http://ur1.ca/ndjr http://ur1.ca/ndjsFeb 24 15:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "A modern luxury car has ~ 100 mln lines of #code in it, on 70-100 microprocessors" http://bit.ly/9APltNFeb 24 16:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Good news! ♺ @pvilela: @RuiSeabra Oracle does not intend to shutdown SolarisFeb 24 16:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Commission's report hostile to Free Software, promoting software patents in standards and the undefined RAND term: http://i5.be/awwFeb 24 16:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Oops, I mean... of course, the Open #Solaris (on both my previous messages)!Feb 24 16:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @jeremyscahill McCain: #Blackwater killed "innocent Afghan civilians" // what's he gonna do about it? doing nothing is complicity. #crimeFeb 24 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @carlopiana: ♺ @janhusar: EuroISPA: Leaked #ACTA text shows treaty would threaten fundamental rights. http://bit.ly/aC9kAF #freedomFeb 24 16:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Software Foundation Turns 15, Adds #Cassandra http://ur1.ca/n8z1 http://ur1.ca/ndn2Feb 24 16:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Motion in the European Parliament to access the secret ACTA documents: http://i5.be/awxFeb 24 16:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] updating to ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, hope it is stable enough :D if not i'll try archlinux for the first timeFeb 24 16:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] ♺ @brokep: http://bit.ly/9Kalzh @google was not there to support #thepiratebay. Now they get to taste the same shit.Feb 24 17:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @j_zim IMPORTANT! Help the European Parliament oppose #ACTA! http://ur1.ca/ndqr Urge MEPs to sign the written declarationFeb 24 17:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jzim: @michaelgeist have you seen the European Parliament against #ACTA? http://ur1.ca/ndqr Every EU citizen can participate and help!Feb 24 17:26
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] You need a girl whose name doesn't end in ... http://bit.ly/9WDVVx :)Feb 24 17:37
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Countries using FOSS software "weaken the industry" and "fail to build respect for intellectual property rights"? http://bit.ly/cKl0wQ WTF??Feb 24 17:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dear smart Republicans, please do something about these fuckwits. http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=730&sid=1894168Feb 24 17:57
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sebsebsebHiFeb 24 18:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hugging #FreeSoftware to Death and #Novell ’s Embrace of Proprietary Platforms http://ur1.ca/ne04 Novell getting more closedFeb 24 18:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Israel worries it is losing sympathy of broad western public opinion http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3732b86e-2168-11df-830e-00144feab49a.htmlFeb 24 18:18
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MinceR140815 < cubezzz> or have some sort of dracoian DRM type computerFeb 24 18:26
MinceRTreacherous ComputingFeb 24 18:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] ah took its time to update to lucid on this old laptop, first operation is to change away from yahoo! so sorry ms!Feb 24 18:27
sebsebsebMinceR:  sweet your hereFeb 24 18:27
sebsebsebanyone else?Feb 24 18:27
MinceR:>Feb 24 18:28
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sebsebsebMinceR: a bit annoyed at my older brother at the momentFeb 24 18:31
sebsebsebMinceR: also thinking about how Ubuntu needs to win over people like that properly,  to gain a proper market shareFeb 24 18:31
sebsebseb"average consumers" who use Facebook and thatFeb 24 18:31
bruce89ermFeb 24 18:31
sebsebseb10.04 might win more of those overFeb 24 18:31
bruce89I use FacebookFeb 24 18:31
bruce89sort ofFeb 24 18:31
sebsebsebbruce89: meaning?Feb 24 18:32
bruce89meaning that you think I'm a dunceFeb 24 18:32
sebsebsebbruce89: Facebook pft, I could use it more, and  be in contact with people I used to go to school with, that never really were my friends, if I wanted toFeb 24 18:32
MinceRnah, you merely don't value your privacy :>Feb 24 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: .Oracle has NOT annc'd EOL of OpenSolaris. Page you ref is an old page detailing lifecycles. Fully discussed on list.Feb 24 18:32
bruce89it's basically a placeholder for me thoughFeb 24 18:33
sebsebsebbruce89: alpha 3 tommorow, and I haven't tried the  Facebook features properly,  I might, with an accountFeb 24 18:33
bruce89aw, OSM wasn't on the newsFeb 24 18:33
sebsebsebbruce89: OSM???Feb 24 18:34
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah loads of stupid/ignorant people use FacebookFeb 24 18:34
bruce89you can talkFeb 24 18:34
sebsebsebthat's what they do,  keep  in touch with all their "friends"Feb 24 18:34
fewayelpFeb 24 18:34
sebsebseband fake friendsFeb 24 18:34
fewaand compile lots of records doing itFeb 24 18:34
sebsebsebmy brother has over 30 people on his FacebookFeb 24 18:35
fewathats not muchFeb 24 18:35
bruce89that's nearly what I have evenFeb 24 18:35
sebsebsebfewa: I don't know how many he actsaully hasFeb 24 18:35
fewai would say ~500 would be reasonable for anyone that actually spends time on thereFeb 24 18:35
sebsebsebFacebook and Twitter, that's what a lot of people who are ignorant at computers, like doing on the computerFeb 24 18:35
fewaor maybe more like 100+Feb 24 18:35
fewamyspaceFeb 24 18:36
bruce89look, you can't tar people with the same brushFeb 24 18:36
*MinceR cpios people with the same brush insteadFeb 24 18:36
bruce89oh dear, well doneFeb 24 18:36
sebsebsebbruce89: if you don't like what is said by people here, which I know you don't always,  you can leave  or not joinFeb 24 18:36
*MinceR bowsFeb 24 18:36
fewasebsebseb, cut the crapFeb 24 18:37
bruce89sebsebseb: what on earth are you on aboutFeb 24 18:37
bruce89I appreciate bad jokes MinceR Feb 24 18:37
sebsebsebbruce89: maybe I am misunderstanding somethingFeb 24 18:37
bruce89wouldn't be the first time...Feb 24 18:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I think you are only allowed 1 visit a month as a non subscriber to the FT, good luck getting through.Feb 24 18:38
sebsebsebbruce89: anyway for now, nice to be home again, and onlineFeb 24 18:39
sebsebseb,but  then before  Wednesday being at home   is likely to get boring againFeb 24 18:39
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bruce89I'm sureFeb 24 18:42
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bruce89phIRCe-BNc: I'll give you a bad requestFeb 24 19:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Woman blasthemes in Congressional hearing, tries to blame #Toyota for her lies http://ur1.ca/ne91 #douchebag tag for #ford #gm #chryslerFeb 24 19:02
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Bloomenergy 's Bloom Energy Server looks awesome, but why does it sound like snake oil? I hope its legit http://ur1.ca/neab !scienceFeb 24 19:12
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] IP alliance supports and funds #douchebag activities http://ur1.ca/nearFeb 24 19:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rand Paul supports coal industry... wait, what? http://ur1.ca/neb4Feb 24 19:22
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sebsebsebbruce89: Thanks for this link in you know where http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2010/02/24/lucid_lynx_shuttleworth/  however I would of prefered a link to the article,  or a link to the article and a link to the comments.Feb 24 19:30
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bruce89sebsebseb: the comments are more interestingFeb 24 19:31
sebsebsebhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/lucid_lynx_shuttleworth/Feb 24 19:32
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bruce89surprisingly, I read thatFeb 24 19:33
cubezzzfinally got kradio working goodFeb 24 19:34
sebsebsebbruce89: Just starting to read the articleFeb 24 19:37
sebsebseb"PCs running Ubuntu will be getting more social thanks to changes that will set the popular Linux distro's look and feel for the next five years."Feb 24 19:38
sebsebsebuh what?Feb 24 19:38
sebsebsebLTS is supported for three years on the DesktopFeb 24 19:38
sebsebsebit's  five on the server that has no GUIFeb 24 19:38
sebsebsebserver version.  also  Gnome 3  this September,  and uhmm I expect 11.04 might have it as the default DE, if not I guess 11.10Feb 24 19:39
sebsebsebsomething about a light theme?Feb 24 19:40
sebsebsebit seemsFeb 24 19:40
sebsebsebbruce89:  ianto  cubezzz  schestowitz  fewa MinceR   well I guess alpha 3 will be a bit of fun to virtual machine tommorowFeb 24 19:41
MinceRwhy?Feb 24 19:42
Diablo-D3"vegeta, what does the scouter say about gnome 3?" 'ITS OVER NINE THOUSAND....  bugs." "what, nine thousand?!"Feb 24 19:42
sebsebsebMinceR: since it apparantly will be feature complete or very nearlyFeb 24 19:42
MinceRDiablo-D3: lolFeb 24 19:42
bruce89oh for goodness sake, don't highlight this channelFeb 24 19:43
Diablo-D3#boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell #boycottnovell Feb 24 19:43
MinceRlolFeb 24 19:43
*ianto agrees with bruce89 Feb 24 19:44
sebsebsebMinceR: silly thick at computers people in the family....Feb 24 19:49
sebsebsebI am not just going to lend  a USB stick if I don't have to, when apparnatlly my Mum has some how broken her's maybeFeb 24 19:50
bruce89that's nice of you to call your family thickFeb 24 19:51
cubezzzhehFeb 24 19:51
cubezzzTHat's GrooovyFeb 24 19:51
sebsebseband something about emails not working again on her lap top, that's Outlook by the wayFeb 24 19:52
sebsebsebwhy can't she just use web mail sometimes like  someone, that isn't a total idiot at computers ?Feb 24 19:52
ianto"emails not working again on her laptop"?Feb 24 19:52
sebsebsebianto: yeahFeb 24 19:52
iantoI am going to cry at that constructionFeb 24 19:52
*bruce89 cries at the lack of a hyphenFeb 24 19:53
sebsebsebianto: what do you mean?Feb 24 19:53
sebsebsebwell this is new, normalley they come to me asking to borrow money, not USB sticksFeb 24 19:53
sebsebsebanyway  I got some stuff on the four I have, that I should put on this computer really, and probably my external hard disk as well reallyFeb 24 19:54
cubezzzwell, gmail and web mail is slow Feb 24 19:54
cubezzzI don't usually use itFeb 24 19:54
sebsebsebcubezzz: no it's just log in to it, on any computerFeb 24 19:54
sebsebsebalso for her job, I think there may be a web mail  side to it, but can she log in etc, hrmFeb 24 19:55
*ianto waits for a mention of "cloud"Feb 24 19:55
cubezzzjust use mutt :)Feb 24 19:55
sebsebsebin fact I think now maybe, can upload stuff to the network account, from homeFeb 24 19:55
bruce89it's cloudy here ianto, snow fellFeb 24 19:55
sebsebsebianto: the cloud? dropbox?Feb 24 19:55
sebsebsebmaybe the stick needs formatting, something about formattingFeb 24 19:56
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sebsebsebanyway going to IT asking for help LOLFeb 24 19:56
sebsebsebof course they will say it's broken or whatever, since they don't want to help if they can avoide it, since they are morons?Feb 24 19:57
bruce89no, the Phantom Cloud of Spain™Feb 24 19:57
cubezzzwhy use xml for radio presets??Feb 24 19:57
cubezzzwhy not just plain ascii?Feb 24 19:57
bruce89sebsebseb: broken in which way?Feb 24 19:58
bruce89dd it and reformat perhapsFeb 24 19:58
sebsebsebbruce89: not sure exactlyFeb 24 19:58
iantobruce89: Probably just a corruptionFeb 24 19:58
sebsebsebdd it that takes ages and is unessary?Feb 24 19:58
sebsebsebprobably just needs a formatFeb 24 19:58
sebsebsebi'll ask to see it soonFeb 24 19:59
bruce89try it thrnFeb 24 19:59
sebsebsebto try it I meanFeb 24 19:59
sebsebsebianto: data curruptionFeb 24 19:59
sebsebsebor file system?Feb 24 19:59
DaemonFCdata corruption is your friend, please use Ext4Feb 24 20:00
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 20:00
iantoNot for a USB drive...Feb 24 20:00
sebsebsebindeed not for a USB driveFeb 24 20:01
bruce89journals and sticks make something happenFeb 24 20:01
sebsebsebbest to stay with Fat32 or NTFS I guess?Feb 24 20:01
iantoext2 or fat32 if you want universal accessFeb 24 20:01
iantoHeh NTFS drive,  you kidding?Feb 24 20:01
sebsebseboh yeah if NTFS doesn't shut down properlyFeb 24 20:01
sebsebsebLinux can't just read and write to itFeb 24 20:01
sebsebsebfor exampleFeb 24 20:01
bruce89ExFAT!Feb 24 20:01
DaemonFCthe biggest difference between Ext4 and XFS during an unclean shutdown is that Ext4 will probably erase all the data in a file that was being written, whereas XFS fills it with 0'sFeb 24 20:01
sebsebsebianto: yeah I guess format it as Fat32 if I canFeb 24 20:02
DaemonFCso really where is the advantage in Ext4?Feb 24 20:02
sebsebseband it should be okFeb 24 20:02
sebsebsebianto: so data  currupted it? or something happened to the file system?Feb 24 20:02
iantoCombination of the two probablyFeb 24 20:02
bruce89DaemonFC: 4 is bigger than 3 Feb 24 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] An IP holocaust, with the big boys beating the crap out of each other, would be wonderful: http://i5.be/awHFeb 24 20:02
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DaemonFCbruce89, ExFAT will have to be built into the kernel in some wayFeb 24 20:03
sebsebsebianto: if so, why?Feb 24 20:03
DaemonFCor maybe just as a FUSE filesystemFeb 24 20:03
iantosebsebseb: Unclean umount most probsFeb 24 20:03
sebsebsebianto: yeah I was thinking something like thatFeb 24 20:03
sebsebsebshe probably hasn't unmounted it on WindowsFeb 24 20:03
Diablo-D3btw, re file systemFeb 24 20:03
sebsebseband then probelmFeb 24 20:03
Diablo-D3if you need to write, fat32 has the largest change of being read anywhereFeb 24 20:03
sebsebsebjust taken it outFeb 24 20:03
Diablo-D3if not, iso9960Feb 24 20:04
DaemonFCFAT32 limitations are already being hit by users of flash filesystemsFeb 24 20:04
sebsebsebwell that's what I would do myself usually with a USB stick when running on Windows, even though I know it should be unmounted first reallyFeb 24 20:04
DaemonFCExFAT will end up being the default file system on lots of portable devicesFeb 24 20:04
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Windows can't support this ExFAT though?Feb 24 20:04
sebsebsebor is that the new Micrsooft file systemFeb 24 20:04
sebsebsebso no XP supportFeb 24 20:04
sebsebseb?Feb 24 20:04
DaemonFCsebsebseb, XP SP2 or SP3 can with a patchFeb 24 20:04
DaemonFCVista SP2 has itFeb 24 20:05
bruce89DaemonFC: indeed, wasn't there a huge patent issue or something abou itFeb 24 20:05
DaemonFC7 has itFeb 24 20:05
Diablo-D3exfat is the new fat32 for embedded devicesFeb 24 20:05
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well it will have to be Fat32 on the USB stick thenFeb 24 20:05
sebsebsebto be sure it should open up no problem on Windows computersFeb 24 20:05
iantoAKA Fat64Feb 24 20:05
Diablo-D3yeah basically.Feb 24 20:05
DaemonFCsebsebseb, FAT32 is a bad file system for flash devicesFeb 24 20:05
bruce89or reallyFATFeb 24 20:05
DaemonFC4 GB file limitFeb 24 20:05
sebsebsebanyway there probably  isn't an option on the Windows formatter  for ExFATFeb 24 20:05
Diablo-D3its kind of neededFeb 24 20:05
DaemonFCthat's the biggest problemFeb 24 20:05
sebsebsebalso  I might end up doing it in Linux don't now yetFeb 24 20:05
Diablo-D3fat32 is too small for modern usageFeb 24 20:05
DaemonFC32 GB partition limitFeb 24 20:05
sebsebsebDaemonFC: her files are smallFeb 24 20:05
sebsebsebDaemonFC: no where near 1GB evenFeb 24 20:06
sebsebsebjust Word documents and powerpoints and suchFeb 24 20:06
DaemonFCwell, FAT32 partitions can go up to 128 GB, but Windows won't let you make one that big anymoreFeb 24 20:06
DaemonFCoddly enough, Windows 98 users can make one that big :)Feb 24 20:06
bruce89does btrfs need a journal?Feb 24 20:07
DaemonFCsebsebseb, When flash cards are sold above 32 GB with ExFAT on them, Linux users can probably still reformat them to FAT32Feb 24 20:07
sebsebsebbeing slightly bitched at  to help with this stuff :DFeb 24 20:07
sebsebsebthat was earlier yeahFeb 24 20:07
DaemonFCdevices may not like that thoughFeb 24 20:08
Diablo-D3bruce89: yesFeb 24 20:08
Diablo-D3bruce89: but btrfs is all internally a proven COW designFeb 24 20:08
Diablo-D3data corruption is extremely hard to pull off on btrfs unnoticedFeb 24 20:08
sebsebsebso many Windows users with problems, that don't know about other OS'sFeb 24 20:08
sebsebsebthat would if they knew a bit moreFeb 24 20:08
Diablo-D3and impossible when using btrfs managed raid1 or betterFeb 24 20:08
DaemonFCsebsebseb, I still have to use FAT32 just because it's what my mp3 player uderstands :PFeb 24 20:09
DaemonFCthankfully, Linux has worked around the patent that Microsoft sued TomTom overFeb 24 20:09
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Good :)Feb 24 20:09
sebsebsebDaemonFC: oh yeahFeb 24 20:09
Diablo-D3http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kycms0DNMc1qzpwi0o1_500.pngFeb 24 20:09
sebsebsebdid you miss the Amazon stuff or?Feb 24 20:09
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sebsebsebDiablo-D3: Amazon have made a Novell like deal with MicrosoftFeb 24 20:09
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: good for them.Feb 24 20:09
bruce89sebsebseb: yeah, they still haven't delivered my stuffFeb 24 20:09
Diablo-D3amazon is no longer relevant.Feb 24 20:09
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: I messagd wrong one thereFeb 24 20:10
sebsebsebI  meant to message DaemonFCFeb 24 20:10
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: change your nick alreadyFeb 24 20:10
DaemonFCyeah, my guess is that the "Amazon paid MS an undisclosed amount" in the PR release was a shamFeb 24 20:10
DaemonFCI bet MS turned around and paid Amazon even more off the radarFeb 24 20:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC: right well the day before, you were saying how you would rather have Amazon for Canonical's music storeFeb 24 20:10
Diablo-D3Im going to bed, night allFeb 24 20:10
DaemonFCsebsebseb, That was before this went downFeb 24 20:11
DaemonFCit's not like they talked about it firstFeb 24 20:11
DaemonFCit was just simple announcedFeb 24 20:11
DaemonFC*simplyFeb 24 20:11
sebsebsebbruce89: before not sure about now, but  stuff would come useauly in  two to four working days, plus  can find out in the account what's going onFeb 24 20:11
sebsebsebDaemonFC: so now you don't like Amazon?Feb 24 20:12
bruce89I know, I was trying to be humourousFeb 24 20:12
DaemonFCI would have been even more suspicious of Canonical in retrospect if they announced Amazon MP3 would be their Ubuntu One store and THEN the MS-Amazon deal went down the next dayFeb 24 20:12
sebsebsebDaemonFC: interesting pointFeb 24 20:13
sebsebsebalso I am not sure, but I think that Yahoo and Microsoft deal came afterFeb 24 20:13
sebsebsebthe one Canonical madeFeb 24 20:13
DaemonFCnopeFeb 24 20:13
DaemonFCit was finalized but not yet in effectFeb 24 20:13
bruce89I worry about the stuff that Canonical is doing to make it easier to fork further FOSS stuffFeb 24 20:13
DaemonFCso Canonical knew they were going to be sending hits to BingFeb 24 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft the #Tax Evader Wants Taxpayers to Spend Billions Building It a Bridge, Hires PR/Lobbyists http://ur1.ca/nehoFeb 24 20:13
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bruce89the principles are good howeverFeb 24 20:14
sebsebsebbruce89: fork FOSS stuff? such as?Feb 24 20:14
DaemonFCforking FOSS is one of the RMS freedoms, no? :)Feb 24 20:14
sebsebsebback in a bit,  this USB stick stuff, or i'll end up getting nagged again laterFeb 24 20:14
bruce89well, it seems bad to only patch Ubuntu packagesFeb 24 20:14
DaemonFCEnough people get pissed at the main project, they're free to say "fuck you, we're leaving!" and maybe make better stuff out of the forked codeFeb 24 20:14
bruce89I respect the principle of forkingFeb 24 20:15
DaemonFCthat "Carrier" fork of Pidgin didn't last, but it brought some changes to PidginFeb 24 20:15
bruce89maybe "fork" wasn't the best term to useFeb 24 20:15
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DaemonFCbruce89, If Ubuntu makes changes and distributes the changed materials, they have to publish the patches they usedFeb 24 20:16
DaemonFCright?Feb 24 20:16
bruce89of course, and they doFeb 24 20:16
iantoIt's dependant on the license ^Feb 24 20:16
DaemonFCso if the upstream likes the patches, they can use all of them, or some of themFeb 24 20:16
DaemonFCand if it's a stupid idea, they can ignore themFeb 24 20:17
bruce89it just seems to me that they're behaving as the canonical (no pun) upstreamFeb 24 20:17
DaemonFCthat's a good thing Feb 24 20:17
DaemonFCwell, Canonical will find out what trying to juggle a billion out of tree patches and keep up with upstream is likeFeb 24 20:17
DaemonFCeventuallyFeb 24 20:17
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DaemonFCif they insist on maintaining stupid crap that's never going to be mergedFeb 24 20:18
bruce89well exactlyFeb 24 20:18
bruce89they seem to like making life very difficult for themselvesFeb 24 20:18
DaemonFCthey'll reach a point where they've streched their resources too thin and they can't go any furtherFeb 24 20:18
DaemonFCthat will be what puts a check on themFeb 24 20:18
bruce89what I find interesting is how they'll deal with GNOME 3.0Feb 24 20:19
bruce89a lot of the patches they have actually are basically implementing GNOME 3.0 in 2.28/2.30Feb 24 20:19
DaemonFCthe more out of tree patches they insist on maintaining, the more people they have to dedicate to maintaining and applying those patches, and nothing elseFeb 24 20:19
DaemonFCseems like a really bad idea to meFeb 24 20:20
DaemonFCit may start out with a few people doing that, but as the patches snowball, you're going to need teams of dozens of people on the payroll to do thatFeb 24 20:20
bruce89which of course means there are fewer actually doing useful stuffFeb 24 20:21
DaemonFCeventually you have this assembly line of people maintaining and applying out of tree patchesFeb 24 20:21
DaemonFCto make an Ubuntu releaseFeb 24 20:21
DaemonFCbruce89, Yeah, it's a form of self-limiting stupidityFeb 24 20:21
DaemonFCcherish those, they are rare in this worldFeb 24 20:21
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 20:22
bruce89hehFeb 24 20:22
DaemonFCUbuntu needs to develop and maintain a good working relationship with the upstreams that are vital to their distributionFeb 24 20:23
bruce89the phraseology "Ubuntu platform" is slightly concerning; I've never liked the idea of one distro becoming a monopolyFeb 24 20:23
DaemonFCand not try to develop GNOME outside of GNOME, for exampleFeb 24 20:23
DaemonFCyou go to #gnome and ask why GNOME in Ubuntu is doing something they'll tell you "Why the hell would we know!?"Feb 24 20:23
bruce89yes, it seems as if they think GNOME wouldn't accept their changes, so they don't even try to collaborateFeb 24 20:23
DaemonFCnotify-osd is not stupid, imoFeb 24 20:24
DaemonFCnow, the indicator applets are stupidFeb 24 20:24
DaemonFCI'd like to see notidy -osd go upstream but not the indicator appletsFeb 24 20:25
bruce89that's interesting, I'm the complete opposite I thinkFeb 24 20:25
bruce89perhaps the principle of notify-osd is fine, but the implementation seems to have been flawedFeb 24 20:26
DaemonFCwell, at first it wasFeb 24 20:26
bruce89I can't really comment, I left Ubuntu soon after it appeardFeb 24 20:26
DaemonFCthe problem is that some applications don't use the freedesktop.org spec for notificationsFeb 24 20:27
DaemonFCso originally, in the alphas of Ubuntu 9.04, you had some apps not using notify-osd, which needed patched to comply with freedesktop.org's specFeb 24 20:27
DaemonFCthat's how I understand itFeb 24 20:27
bruce89not surprising though, because notification-daemon was the only notification daemon; and it could do everything the spec saidFeb 24 20:28
DaemonFCso enforcing the standard can lead to a disaster when some apps don't use that standardFeb 24 20:28
DaemonFCXChat is an exampleFeb 24 20:28
DaemonFCso you not only need to get GNOME on board with this, but you need to get XChat to accept a patch that makes it use freedesktop.org notification standardsFeb 24 20:29
DaemonFCrepeat for the other few dozen offendersFeb 24 20:29
bruce89might be trickyFeb 24 20:29
DaemonFCso thats where a lot of Ubuntu patches are at right now, just making notify-osd workFeb 24 20:29
DaemonFCit's not that they've done a bad thing, it's just that you have to wonder how they're going to get all those upstreams in line with the standard that they are enforcingFeb 24 20:30
bruce89what's this whole indicator-applet all about, what I've seen of it makes me think it slows things down hugelyFeb 24 20:30
DaemonFCit doesn't, but it's a bad ideaFeb 24 20:31
DaemonFCthey literally cannot implement it correctly without help from GNOMEFeb 24 20:31
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DaemonFCright now in Lucid, it's gone further and tries to replace the notification areaFeb 24 20:32
DaemonFCbut again, things like Xchat don't use itFeb 24 20:32
DaemonFCso you get two notification areas, GNOME's, and indicator-applet'sFeb 24 20:32
bruce89hmmFeb 24 20:32
DaemonFCthey really need GNOME to help integrate it, or just drop itFeb 24 20:33
bruce89it's basically a notification folder sort ofFeb 24 20:33
DaemonFCkind ofFeb 24 20:33
bruce89well, that's interesting, they're proposing it for GNOMEFeb 24 20:33
DaemonFCthey need GNOME to help them make indicator the new official notification areaFeb 24 20:33
bruce89however I feel that gnome-shell kind of puts paid to that anwayFeb 24 20:33
DaemonFCand force everything trying to use the notification area to use indicatorFeb 24 20:33
DaemonFCyeah, gnome-shell might make all of Ubuntu's indicator-applet stuff useless anywayFeb 24 20:34
bruce89they have their copyright assignment thing on it tooFeb 24 20:34
DaemonFCUbuntu might just be working to patch up the old system that's being trashed anywayFeb 24 20:34
DaemonFClolFeb 24 20:34
DaemonFCI had thought of thatFeb 24 20:34
bruce89wouldn't surprise meFeb 24 20:34
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DaemonFCWell, Red Hat and Novell have their mark on the network manager appletFeb 24 20:35
DaemonFCso there's nothing inherently evil in Ubuntu doing that with indicator-crappletFeb 24 20:35
DaemonFCjust that indicator-crapplet is crapFeb 24 20:35
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 20:35
DaemonFCit's a usability nightmareFeb 24 20:36
DaemonFCabout to be made worse in LucidFeb 24 20:36
DaemonFCand to where you can't get rid of itFeb 24 20:36
*bruce89 has an idea as to what you're up toFeb 24 20:36
DaemonFCUbuntu patched a lot of stuff so they can't use the standard notification tray and took the minimize to tray plugin out of RhythmboxFeb 24 20:37
DaemonFCthey're trying to corral people into using their bad system where you used to be able to turn it off and pay it no further mindFeb 24 20:37
bruce89I seeFeb 24 20:37
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DaemonFCI don't have a problem with a crapplet that I can turn offFeb 24 20:38
balzacbloodclotFeb 24 20:38
DaemonFCGNOME has plenty of crap I don't turn onFeb 24 20:38
DaemonFCwhat I hate are mandatory crappletsFeb 24 20:38
DaemonFCwhere the system literally cannot work as you need it to without the crappletFeb 24 20:39
bruce89actually, I don't understand why libindicate is needed, surely a slightly more fancy GtkStatusIcon would work?Feb 24 20:39
DaemonFCjono, Or how I stopped worrying and learned to love the mandatory crapplet.Feb 24 20:39
DaemonFCI for one welcome our new indicator crapplet overlords :)Feb 24 20:39
DaemonFCbruce89, Things that make the system work more smoothly, I'm all forFeb 24 20:40
DaemonFCthrow as many of those in as you likeFeb 24 20:40
DaemonFCThings like indicator crapplet are as smooth as an Egyptian whiskey Feb 24 20:40
DaemonFC:PFeb 24 20:40
bruce89careful now, I'm ScottishFeb 24 20:40
bruce89actually, that doesn't follow, never mindFeb 24 20:41
DaemonFCReplacing things that are annoying with things that don't require user aggravation is a Good Thing(R) (notify-osd). Replacing things that work fine (GNOME notification tray) with things that are bullshit and make the system work less smoothly and piss the user off (indicator-crapplet) are a Bad Thing(R)Feb 24 20:43
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 20:43
DaemonFCso Ubuntu has been a mixed blessing for usability in GNOMEFeb 24 20:43
bruce89I don't know if notify-osd helps respond to things, I mean I realise that it's meant to be the oppositeFeb 24 20:43
DaemonFCI don't like the notifications that sit there and make me do something with themFeb 24 20:44
bruce89basically if you have notify-osd, you need indicator-applet for it to workFeb 24 20:44
DaemonFC"Your torrent is done! Now I'm going to sit here until you click on me!!!"Feb 24 20:44
bruce89I mean to cover the same stuff that notification-daemon didFeb 24 20:44
fewa"Delusions of grandeur prevent honest discussion of problems"Feb 24 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @arc @bkuhn yep, including their relationships. we're almost living in a corporate-communist state.Feb 24 20:44
bruce89DaemonFC: yes, I can understand that certainlyFeb 24 20:45
bruce89I like gnome-shell's system of a sort of queue thingFeb 24 20:45
bruce89because I suppose the problem with notifications at the moment is that they are transient, and if you're not watching them, they're gone, and you may not realiseFeb 24 20:46
DaemonFCwould be nice if there was a priority systemFeb 24 20:47
DaemonFCso the uninteresting ones dieFeb 24 20:47
DaemonFCand the urgent ones stay upFeb 24 20:47
bruce89the spec has that, but nothing seems to use itFeb 24 20:47
DaemonFC"So and so has come online" *fades away*Feb 24 20:48
DaemonFC"Your torrent is done" *fades away*Feb 24 20:48
DaemonFC"Your system has recovered from a serious kernel error!" *stays up until user responds*Feb 24 20:48
*bruce89 anticipates the new gnome-shell appearing in FedoraFeb 24 20:48
DaemonFCI'm sure F13 will have itFeb 24 20:49
bruce89oh it will, soonishFeb 24 20:49
DaemonFCFedora has gotten much more usable than it used to beFeb 24 20:49
DaemonFCeven has a nice LiveCDFeb 24 20:49
DaemonFCa little competition is good for the soul :)Feb 24 20:49
bruce89I've been very pleased with it certainlyFeb 24 20:49
bruce89more than I thought I was going toFeb 24 20:49
DaemonFCthe fact that the LiveCD guts all the crappy stuff out brings Fedora up in my opinionFeb 24 20:50
DaemonFCLet the user choose what ends up installed. What a concept.Feb 24 20:50
bruce89I'm not sure if I understand why OpenJDK is on the LiveCDFeb 24 20:51
DaemonFCbeats having Mono thereFeb 24 20:51
DaemonFCmakes Runescape work by deefaultFeb 24 20:51
DaemonFCyayFeb 24 20:51
bruce89ah, hadn't thought of thatFeb 24 20:51
DaemonFCThe funny thing is that Fedora Unity group making updated installation ISOsFeb 24 20:52
DaemonFCbut they download is so slow that you should just grab the LiveCD from Fedora instead and get the updates separatelyFeb 24 20:52
DaemonFC*theFeb 24 20:53
bruce89I must admit I don't know much about Fedora's infrastrctureFeb 24 20:53
DaemonFCI use the test updates anyway and vote on if they blew up my system B-)Feb 24 20:53
DaemonFCI usually look at the feedback others have left before I install them thoughFeb 24 20:54
DaemonFCI don't like an unbootable systemFeb 24 20:54
DaemonFCI also slap a lot of things in straight from the build systemFeb 24 20:55
DaemonFCI'm using Mesa and libdrm out of the Fedora 13 branch for exampleFeb 24 20:55
DaemonFClolFeb 24 20:55
bruce89yikes, Feb 24 20:56
bruce89I'm currently on F13 (I hope)Feb 24 20:56
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DaemonFChow did you get there?Feb 24 20:56
DaemonFCyou should have used fedora-release 0.13.5 or laterFeb 24 20:57
DaemonFCif you used 0.13.3, I know that sends you to RawhideFeb 24 20:57
DaemonFChave fun with early Fedora 14 branch :)Feb 24 20:57
bruce89yes, I think I upgraded very soon before the branchFeb 24 20:58
DaemonFCvery easy to doFeb 24 20:58
DaemonFCI'm going to wait until Fedora 13 is beta-ish before I system upgradeFeb 24 20:58
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bruce89then there were a bunch of updates, I noticed they said f14, so I disabled rawhide and I hope I'm on F13Feb 24 20:58
DaemonFCRawhide eats babiesFeb 24 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Downloading 7GB of English Wikipedia to tryout Evopedia on my #freerunnerFeb 24 20:58
bruce89especially at this point I'd imagineFeb 24 20:59
DaemonFCyeah, it gets very turbulent when a new merge window opens upFeb 24 20:59
DaemonFCyou can be left in an unbootable state easilyFeb 24 20:59
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DaemonFCstay off Rawhide unless you know what you're doing, never use it on your main systemFeb 24 21:01
DaemonFCyou never know what it will do :)Feb 24 21:01
bruce89I'll keep that in mind for the futureFeb 24 21:02
DaemonFCif you want to test Fedora 13, I'd wait for some real installation media, like when the Fedora 13 Alpha ISOs are outFeb 24 21:02
DaemonFCthen you know it'll "probably" installFeb 24 21:02
bruce89I didn't realise / forgot that F13 was branching earlyFeb 24 21:02
DaemonFCmight even work too :)Feb 24 21:02
DaemonFCalso, I may end up reformatting anywayFeb 24 21:03
DaemonFCall depends on if BtrFS is allowed as /Feb 24 21:03
bruce89I found rpmreaper rather usefulFeb 24 21:03
DaemonFCif BtrFS is not allowed, I'll just use preupgradeFeb 24 21:03
bruce89there's no upgrade path from ext4?Feb 24 21:04
DaemonFCyou can use btrfs now, but you have to boot from the DVDFeb 24 21:05
Omar87ٍHowdy everyone?Feb 24 21:05
DaemonFCand put icantbelieveitsnotbtr on the boot lineFeb 24 21:05
MinceR:>Feb 24 21:05
bruce89mm, that's the oneFeb 24 21:05
DaemonFCbruce89, I'm sure there will be a way to convert ext4Feb 24 21:07
DaemonFCbut there isn't one right nowFeb 24 21:07
DaemonFCand probably won't be when it's an installation option on FedoraFeb 24 21:07
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DaemonFCI wonder if I can has jonofs on / by typing in icantbelieveitsnotbaconFeb 24 21:12
DaemonFCbruce89, What do you think?Feb 24 21:12
bruce89very goodFeb 24 21:12
DaemonFCjonofs doesn't try to avoid errors or self healFeb 24 21:12
DaemonFCit tries to hide them from the userFeb 24 21:12
DaemonFCit's expected to be the default file system for Ubuntu for the futureFeb 24 21:12
bruce89I wouldn't want to switch until it's stable anyway, losing files aren't very funFeb 24 21:13
bruce89I mean, this thing isn't even proper ext4 as sebsebseb would put itFeb 24 21:14
DaemonFCI'm using Ext4 because Fedora supports it well and it's more of a testament to how little I think of Ext3Feb 24 21:14
DaemonFCit has most of the features I like from XFSFeb 24 21:15
DaemonFCoh well *shrug*Feb 24 21:15
DaemonFCExt4 is practically a whole new filesystem where Ext3 is basically Ext2 with a journal, it's obvious there was going to be more pain for early adoptersFeb 24 21:16
MinceR:DFeb 24 21:16
MinceRext4 is a filesystem that was designed to be fast, not to retain data :>Feb 24 21:17
DaemonFCExt4 with Extents fundamentally alters the on disk format to where the partition is no longer able to be mounted as Ext3Feb 24 21:17
DaemonFCMinceR, Ext4 without Extents is still superior to Ext3 and doesn't have the data loss issuesFeb 24 21:17
DaemonFCjust make the file system without extents if you're that worriedFeb 24 21:18
Ender2070reiserfs took the same approach and it worked outFeb 24 21:18
Ender2070when you kill files in reiser4, they leave very little traceFeb 24 21:19
DaemonFCXFS has that featureFeb 24 21:19
DaemonFCcan't undeleteFeb 24 21:19
MinceRand happens automatically on old XFS and ext4 :>Feb 24 21:19
Ender2070you totally missed the jokeFeb 24 21:20
DaemonFCare they buried under one of the dancing b* trees in the field of inodes?Feb 24 21:21
DaemonFCB-)Feb 24 21:21
Ender2070only reiser can find the remains for youFeb 24 21:22
DaemonFCEnder2070, Reiser4 may be merged this yearFeb 24 21:22
DaemonFCaround 2.6.36Feb 24 21:23
Ender2070coolFeb 24 21:23
MinceRwhat can it do?Feb 24 21:24
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiser4Feb 24 21:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Reiser4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.14 KBFeb 24 21:24
Ender2070it puts all your bits into atomic boxesFeb 24 21:24
DaemonFCit still gets DARPA fundingFeb 24 21:24
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 21:24
DaemonFCMakes me wonder how Reiser4 would stack up against BtrfsFeb 24 21:25
DaemonFC"Namesys's benchmarks suggest it is typically twice the performance of ext3 for general-purpose filesystem usage patterns."Feb 24 21:26
Ender2070different goalsFeb 24 21:26
DaemonFChmmmmFeb 24 21:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Is Microsoft behind Google legal challenge? - Channel 4 News http://tinyurl.com/yktofosFeb 24 21:27
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Ender2070Fedora 12 now has KDE 4.4 in stableFeb 24 21:28
DaemonFCyes, noticedFeb 24 21:29
DaemonFCnot using it after stumbling into problemsFeb 24 21:29
DaemonFCoutside of that, I liked itFeb 24 21:29
Ender2070Current: Rawhide(F14)/F13/F12/F11: kde-4.4.0/qt-4.6.2Feb 24 21:30
cubezzzI heard Reiser got beat upFeb 24 21:30
DaemonFCoutside of screwing over my webcam's internal settings repeatedly somehow (even with Flash?)Feb 24 21:30
DaemonFCI have no idea why using GNOME I don't having this problemFeb 24 21:30
DaemonFC*haveFeb 24 21:30
Ender2070where did you learn how to spokeFeb 24 21:31
DaemonFCfuck youFeb 24 21:31
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 21:31
DaemonFCme fail english? thats unpossible!Feb 24 21:31
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 21:31
DaemonFChmmm, old benchmarksFeb 24 21:32
DaemonFChttp://linuxgazette.net/122/TWDT.html#piszczFeb 24 21:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Gazette : January 2006 (#122)  .::. Size~: 265.79 KBFeb 24 21:32
DaemonFCXFS decimated everything else for filesystem creation timeFeb 24 21:32
DaemonFCthat's not unexpectedFeb 24 21:32
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DaemonFCext 3 is a major disk space waster, knew thatFeb 24 21:33
DaemonFCI've never checked how much space Ext4 wastesFeb 24 21:34
Ender2070koffice2 in f13 :DFeb 24 21:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] When Microsoft Racketeering Meets Apathy http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/24/linux-foundation-re-amazon/Feb 24 21:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: When Microsoft Racketeering Meets Apathy | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.79 KBFeb 24 21:39
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21477Feb 24 21:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Buying a Zune HD Today - ZomgStuff Forum .::. Size~: 66.62 KBFeb 24 21:40
DaemonFCSee my reply :)Feb 24 21:40
bruce89to the point anywayFeb 24 21:42
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems   says reiser4 has no ACL nor EA supportFeb 24 21:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Comparison of file systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 405.79 KBFeb 24 21:45
DaemonFCMinceR, It doesFeb 24 21:46
DaemonFCyou have to mount it with the "acl" optionFeb 24 21:47
DaemonFCwhich is one of the defaultsFeb 24 21:47
MinceRwhoa... XFS can do snapshots?Feb 24 21:47
MinceRDaemonFC: icFeb 24 21:47
DaemonFCuser_xattr for extended attributesFeb 24 21:47
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#SnapshotsFeb 24 21:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: XFS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.95 KBFeb 24 21:48
DaemonFCMinceR, xfsdump and xfsrestore are fairly good backup toolsFeb 24 21:49
MinceRicFeb 24 21:49
DaemonFCdespite being so simpleFeb 24 21:49
MinceRwhere does data go while the volume is frozen?Feb 24 21:50
DaemonFCI've never done live snapshot of XFS beforeFeb 24 21:51
DaemonFCI've only used xfsdumpFeb 24 21:51
DaemonFCit's really kind of like tarring the file systemFeb 24 21:51
DaemonFCbut it stores some data about the inode layout and preserves all the metadataFeb 24 21:52
DaemonFCyou might want to do that while the file system is not mountedFeb 24 21:52
DaemonFCwhen you go to restore it you get an exact duplicate of how the filesystem was when you dumped itFeb 24 21:52
DaemonFCZFS is probably more user friendly with snapshots and backups I guessFeb 24 21:53
DaemonFCnever used it for that but I did notice there's a snapshot button in Nautilus on OpenSolarisFeb 24 21:54
Ender2070btrfsFeb 24 21:54
MinceRthere's nothing special about offline snapshotsFeb 24 21:54
MinceRi thought it was about online snapshots :)Feb 24 21:54
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_goblinGood evening people....Feb 24 21:56
schestowitzo/Feb 24 21:56
_goblinGood people, evening...Feb 24 21:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Copyright Cartel and #MSBBC Attack #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/neuw No pretence anymore. Copyright zeal affects FOSS.Feb 24 21:56
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_goblinPeople, evening....good.Feb 24 21:57
schestowitz:-)Feb 24 21:57
schestowitzIs that some Red Dward skit?Feb 24 21:57
schestowitz*rfFeb 24 21:57
MinceREvening people, good!Feb 24 21:58
_goblinschestowitz: nah....Feb 24 21:58
_goblinschestowitz: just got back from work.....Feb 24 21:59
_goblinschestowitz: weary with a capital WearFeb 24 21:59
_goblinschestowitz: (thats a Red Dwarf skit)Feb 24 21:59
_goblinschestowitz: "Smooth with a capital smoo" - The Cat, Red Dwarf...series 1 (I think)Feb 24 22:00
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Omar87Hi guysFeb 24 22:07
Omar87_goblin, hey!Feb 24 22:07
MinceRhayFeb 24 22:07
Omar87_goblin, I hate CM Punk and his straight edge society.Feb 24 22:07
bruce89I remember "Weird with a capital Wee"Feb 24 22:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Come on people, this whole Cole v Internet angle is merely a work to make a storyline. Don't get suckered in. @WWEUniverse WWEUniverseFeb 24 22:07
_goblinOmar87: He looks a mess for someone who is supposed to be straight edge.Feb 24 22:08
Omar87_goblin, true. :)Feb 24 22:08
_goblinOmar87: Straight edge wise I'd say Angle is the better contender.Feb 24 22:09
_goblin"and thats true....thats damn true...." ;)Feb 24 22:09
Omar87_goblin, I really loved how Rey Mysterio handed them a nice lesson. Too bad they never learned it though.Feb 24 22:09
_goblinYou watch Luche Libra?Feb 24 22:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Live on http://live.twit.tv now on FLOSSWeekly talking about Webmin.Feb 24 22:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TWiT Live - Netcasts you love, from people you trust .::. Size~: 8.61 KBFeb 24 22:11
Omar87_goblin, uh.. CM Punk is a worthless idiot who thinks he's powerful. While actually without Luky Luke he's so damn easy to defeat.Feb 24 22:11
_goblinMexican Wrestling.. its fantastic....try to get hold of a copy of "Worlds Collide" great PPV from the 90's...Im rapidly loosing interest in the WWE....been watching alot of Zero-1 and pro wrestling Noah....Ring of Honour is good and TNA has been good lately.Feb 24 22:11
_goblinand the recent IWA-MS King of the deathmatch was good.Feb 24 22:12
Omar87_goblin, Vince McMahon is a creep.Feb 24 22:14
sebsebsebI have nearly seen the browser ballot screen :)Feb 24 22:15
sebsebsebI  installed the updates in XP  on the family computerFeb 24 22:15
Omar87It's obvious that he intentionally planned to hurt Bret Heart very badly to send him a final message.Feb 24 22:15
sebsebsebit wanted to re boot, but  I went away from computer a little bit,  my older brother came back, I thought he had gone on computer, which he had.  I thought he might be using XP, but nopeFeb 24 22:15
Omar87He really needs he's butt kicked so hard some how.Feb 24 22:15
sebsebsebhe re booted.  and Ubuntu is on default boot up, so back to Facebook in Ubuntu for himFeb 24 22:15
sebsebsebso i'll see this screen a bit later on thenFeb 24 22:16
DaemonFCDoes anyone know where I can download from Jamendo in Ogg?Feb 24 22:16
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DaemonFCAll they offer for download is MP3 and there's no seeds for a lot of the Ogg versionsFeb 24 22:16
sebsebsebwell I never thought installing Windows updates would be something I  actsaully properly wanted to do,  but  for this screen well yesFeb 24 22:16
_goblinOmar87: Vince has always been a creep.....although his on-screen persona sells tickets...Feb 24 22:16
sebsebsebor maybe I did think that I would want to install updates in the past for some reason that wasn't just security,  well whateverFeb 24 22:16
iwmwDaemonFC: isn't mp3 freely played via plenty of players?Feb 24 22:17
DaemonFCiwmw, Worse quality, patents, lots of reasons to avoid itFeb 24 22:18
sebsebsebDaemonFC:  _goblin   I mentioned to my older brother a little while ago, that next Ubuntu would have some proper Facebook features, but he didn't seem to care.   Well I guess I just got to show him the features when it's released, and he will probably use that.Feb 24 22:18
DaemonFCI have zero MP3s on my hard drive, want to keep it that wayFeb 24 22:18
DaemonFCeven if they are legalFeb 24 22:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Just submitted a talk proposal for #shift2010 about #Qi's Nanonote and copyleft hardware.Feb 24 22:18
iwmwDaemonFC: nice, i've got hundreds of gigs of mp3Feb 24 22:19
DaemonFCsebsebseb, KDE has some Facebook appletsFeb 24 22:19
_goblinsebsebseb: I believe next thursday a new alpha gets released....Im going to take a look.Feb 24 22:19
sebsebsebjono: icons  on the sytem menu again :)   and I like having a shut down and log out button on the top panel,  especially when the Ubuntu Gnome editing removes log out and shut down from the system menu.   Anyway I think set up like that, with the  me menu and that,  10.04 will be better for my older brother,  as long as he uses the features, otherwise it doesn't really matter,  it's just Gnome.Feb 24 22:20
DaemonFCiwmw, I've managed to get it to the point where I only have Vorbis or FLACFeb 24 22:20
sebsebsebshame I will have to turn icons on myselfFeb 24 22:20
sebsebsebin 10.04Feb 24 22:20
iwmwDaemonFC: it will take a LOMG time for me to get rid of mp3s :)Feb 24 22:20
iwmwLONG*Feb 24 22:20
sebsebseb_goblin: not next Thursday as in next weekFeb 24 22:20
sebsebseb_goblin: it's tommorowFeb 24 22:21
bruce89don't go to bugzilla.gnome.org, you'll be bannedFeb 24 22:21
sebsebsebfor alpha 3Feb 24 22:21
sebsebsebiwmw: yes open formats, but in a way, whatever as long as the music plays and sounds goodFeb 24 22:21
_goblinsebsebseb: Thanks for that, Ive been so busy with work Ive been strugling to keep up.Feb 24 22:21
sebsebseb_goblin: alpha 3 should be pretty goodFeb 24 22:21
sebsebseb_goblin: since it will be feature complete or  nearly feature completeFeb 24 22:22
_goblinI won't be running it in a VM I have a rig here ready to take an install.Feb 24 22:22
sebsebseb_goblin: oh right well i'll do in a vmFeb 24 22:22
sebsebseblike I did for alpha 1 and alpha 2Feb 24 22:22
bruce89incidentally Sweden are playing UK at curlingFeb 24 22:23
sebsebsebthose vm's didn't last that long, untill some sort of issueFeb 24 22:23
sebsebsebbruce89: I don't care about curling, altough Scotland started it or something, didn't  they?Feb 24 22:23
_goblinIve just switched on what I call the staircase rig and 9.10 has 75meg of updates.....Feb 24 22:23
bruce89yes, but we're 2 0 downFeb 24 22:23
sebsebsebwell that's a bit of a shame that the second womens skiing got cancalled, since bad weatherFeb 24 22:23
sebsebsebfogFeb 24 22:23
sebsebsebwhat's a bit more of ashame though is how I missed the first one, since silly brothersFeb 24 22:24
sebsebsebwell older brother anywayFeb 24 22:24
sebsebseboh well I seen quite a lot of down hill already anywayFeb 24 22:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@scotteweinberg in typesetting, spaced en( – ) & em(—) dashes are distinct from hyphen (not 2). En/em is used depending on regional customFeb 24 22:24
Omar87_goblin, I'm feeling sad for Morrison though. His right leg took a really painful bang into the corner of the ring.Feb 24 22:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] UKIP leader Nigel Farage makes a show of himself in front of European Parliament. #EU http://is.gd/96NEmFeb 24 22:32
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_goblinOmar87: It was a work....I think the original plan was for Morisson to give his elimination chamber match to HBK....that was rumbled on the net, so they had to change plans.Feb 24 22:33
bruce89UKIP are arseholesFeb 24 22:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks LEAK: Microsoft Global Criminal Compliance Handbook that brought down Cryptome available now at http://wikileaks.org/Feb 24 22:33
Omar87And of course, given that the same leg is already injured, too.Feb 24 22:34
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Omar87_goblin, I see.Feb 24 22:34
bruce89basically BNP liteFeb 24 22:34
_goblinomar87: also it was going to be that Batista and HBK swapped brands....that too was rumbled on the net, so they had HBK just turn up at the elimination chamber ppv....Feb 24 22:35
Omar87_goblin, I really wish I could watch the Elimination chamber, but too bad the file is too damn big for me. (1 GB)Feb 24 22:35
DaemonFClmaoFeb 24 22:35
DaemonFCif I had to name an American counterpart to the BNP, I'm not even sure the Teabaggers would sufficeFeb 24 22:35
_goblinOmar87: is that because of bandwidth limitations?Feb 24 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] didrocks is a legend.Feb 24 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] mbudde is a legend.Feb 24 22:35
Omar87_goblin, yep.. :)Feb 24 22:36
Omar87_goblin, bandwidth limitation is a nightmare in this country.Feb 24 22:36
_goblinOmar87: Didn't know that....whats your monthly allowance?Feb 24 22:36
DaemonFCI can has 250 GB :)Feb 24 22:37
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] UKIP leader Nigel Farage makes a show of himself in front of European Parliament. #EU http://is.gd/96NEmFeb 24 22:37
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Omar87DaemonFC, You're a lucky bloke. :)Feb 24 22:37
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_goblinDaemonFC: I have as much as I want.Feb 24 22:38
DaemonFCI have to go over 250 GB twice in a rowFeb 24 22:38
DaemonFCthen I get my account cut offFeb 24 22:38
_goblinDaemonFC: though I don't see what you would need 250gb forFeb 24 22:38
Omar87_goblin, not sure. But whatever it is, it's no more than 8GB's. I think it's 4GB's, though.Feb 24 22:38
MinceRi have no limitFeb 24 22:39
DaemonFCso if I go over this month, I get a warning, but if I stay under 250 GB next month, and go over 250 GB the third month I'm fine :)Feb 24 22:39
_goblinDaemonFC: even though I listen to alot of podcasts and watch bbci, I think I only ever use around 4-8gb per month...Feb 24 22:39
*DaemonFC is hating Jamendo about nowFeb 24 22:39
Omar87DaemonFC, you download cars from the internet?Feb 24 22:40
DaemonFCI wishFeb 24 22:40
MinceRi would if i could!Feb 24 22:40
DaemonFCFLAC files are pretty heavy though :)Feb 24 22:40
bruce89Farage is a plonkerFeb 24 22:40
DaemonFCohhh, I has a seeder!!!!Feb 24 22:40
DaemonFCyayz!Feb 24 22:40
_goblinIm using Zattoo at the moment, I love it!Feb 24 22:41
DaemonFCyeah, the path of least resistance is to take the MP3sFeb 24 22:41
DaemonFCI don't want MP3sFeb 24 22:41
Omar87DaemonFC, it seems you have your own datacenter at home. :PFeb 24 22:41
_goblinOmar87: I think Daemon is a naughty downloader!Feb 24 22:41
bruce89sebsebseb: you heard about the BBC closing the iPlayer to non-official things using somethingFeb 24 22:41
DaemonFCOmar87, Fedora is pissing me off the least between Windows, OS X, and most other Linux operating systems including that brown oneFeb 24 22:42
DaemonFCI may stay hereFeb 24 22:42
Omar87_goblin, :)Feb 24 22:42
bruce89DaemonFC: heh, that was my thinking when I jumped shipsFeb 24 22:42
MinceR"that brown one" :DFeb 24 22:43
*MinceR has "that blue one" for nowFeb 24 22:43
DaemonFCI'm not going to call it Ubuntu anymore, I will hereby refer to it as the brown oneFeb 24 22:43
DaemonFCor that brown thingFeb 24 22:43
bruce89or what may be "that black one" soonFeb 24 22:43
MinceRhmFeb 24 22:43
MinceRactually there are two kinds of "that blue one"Feb 24 22:43
MinceRat leastFeb 24 22:43
bruce89I'm just guessing based on my feelings, and MS's commentFeb 24 22:43
DaemonFCthat brown thing sounds unflatteringFeb 24 22:43
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 22:44
bruce89trueFeb 24 22:44
DaemonFCthe color of the human theme lets you know what you're in forFeb 24 22:44
DaemonFCespecially in LucidFeb 24 22:44
DaemonFClmao, thank you Creative CommonsFeb 24 22:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent trolls are financed by traditional investment banks and hedge funds: http://i5.be/awJFeb 24 22:46
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DaemonFCwe now have artists uploading straight to the pirate bayFeb 24 22:47
_goblinUFC to take on streaming sites that offer their PPV's for free.Feb 24 22:47
DaemonFCthat must really burn the RIAA that people aren't even trying to sign on with them anymoreFeb 24 22:47
DaemonFCmore money can be made by asking for donationsFeb 24 22:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] UFC to take on streaming sites that offer their PPV's for free.Feb 24 22:47
DaemonFClmaoFeb 24 22:48
_goblinGood God.....there are actually people out there who find the winter olympics interesting......you learn something new everyday.Feb 24 22:48
DaemonFCin the ring?Feb 24 22:48
_goblinyeahFeb 24 22:49
_goblinno DQ, falls count anywhere matchFeb 24 22:49
DaemonFC_goblin, Heard it was in Canada, heard I needed SilverlightFeb 24 22:49
DaemonFCI'm out :)Feb 24 22:49
_goblinMaybe MS isn't all that bad....its sparing the internet from the olympics since nobody has silverlightFeb 24 22:49
DaemonFCuggghFeb 24 22:50
DaemonFCFester saves humanity!Feb 24 22:50
Omar87_goblin, what was the name of the wrestler who used to dress up like a clown?Feb 24 22:50
_goblinDoinkFeb 24 22:51
_goblinand you had Mini DoinkFeb 24 22:51
_goblinhe was also Repo ManFeb 24 22:51
_goblinyears ago.Feb 24 22:51
DaemonFChttp://www.macdailynews.com/gfx/article_gfx/080724_uncle_ballmer_ideas.jpgFeb 24 22:52
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*bruce89 thanks the BBCFeb 24 22:52
_goblinDoink also featured on the SNES WWF game....and that was really the last we heard of him....disappeared around 1992-3ishFeb 24 22:52
schestowitzI remember DoinkFeb 24 22:52
DaemonFChttp://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4062/ballmerlizard2zk0.jpgFeb 24 22:52
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schestowitzDaemonFC: you're obsessed with a criminalFeb 24 22:53
_goblinschestowitz: they were not the WWF good old days.Feb 24 22:53
sebsebsebbruce89:  _goblin  schestowitz  hrm update for the browser ballot, but nothing showed yet hrmFeb 24 22:53
schestowitzHe's also your avatar, DaemonFOXFeb 24 22:53
DaemonFChttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/2342649080_0033fb6900_o.jpgFeb 24 22:53
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DaemonFCroflFeb 24 22:53
sebsebsebbruce89: BBC closing  Iplayer for Linux users you mean or?Feb 24 22:53
_goblinpre 1988 and 1998 to 2001 were probably the best years of WWEFeb 24 22:53
MinceRwhy is the logo of the other entity that 'eats ideas for breakfast' on the thing Monkey Boy seems to be eating?Feb 24 22:53
DaemonFCjonoFeb 24 22:53
bruce89http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verification/Feb 24 22:53
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 22:53
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schestowitzbruce89: I wrote about itFeb 24 22:54
sebsebsebbruce89: ah ha so no HTML 5  video with   OGG Vorbis video?Feb 24 22:54
bruce89no, read itFeb 24 22:54
DaemonFCschestowitz, Fake Steve Ballmer ftw!Feb 24 22:54
schestowitzNoFeb 24 22:54
schestowitzHe trolled BNFeb 24 22:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Lernid has just been approved into Universe for Lucid. Rock and roll! :-)Feb 24 22:54
schestowitzThese are loser who live in the image/shadow of someone elseFeb 24 22:55
schestowitzLike that coward booster of Microsoft, LyonsFeb 24 22:55
schestowitzNow he's attacking GoogleFeb 24 22:55
schestowitzAlong with the rest of themFeb 24 22:55
schestowitzThis week in NewsWeeekFeb 24 22:56
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sebsebsebbruce89: as for that USB stuff earlier, well  my older brother bought her a new oneFeb 24 22:56
_goblinLernid is a python app is it not?Feb 24 22:56
_goblinSeems like a really great idea.....Feb 24 22:56
sebsebsebbruce89: and by the sounds of it,  it would need to be formatted the old one,  with data being lost of courseFeb 24 22:56
sebsebsebUSB stick aboveFeb 24 22:57
sebsebsebmaybe Microsoft were just preperating the browser ballot update, but won't be actsually doing it untill MarchFeb 24 22:57
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bruce89photorecFeb 24 22:59
sebsebsebbruce89: some sort of net splitFeb 24 22:59
sebsebsebat the momentFeb 24 22:59
bruce89never!Feb 24 22:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having just got up to speed with what Lernid is-what a great idea!Something that I needed, I just didn't realize until I saw it! Great stuffFeb 24 23:00
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_goblinInstead of EU Commision banging on about Google, why can't it look at Windows OEM?Feb 24 23:00
sebsebsebbruce89: so yeah maybe they are just providing the update now for the ballot screen,  and then doing the actsaul screen a bit later on, when  most Windows users will have the updates for sure.Feb 24 23:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Instead of the EU Commission banging on about Google, why doesn't it look at Windows OEM first? Microsoft Tax is right under their nose!Feb 24 23:01
sebsebseb_goblin: loads of people are ignorant when it comes to Desktop Linux,  they don't really know what it is aboutFeb 24 23:02
sebsebsebsome of them will try UbuntuFeb 24 23:02
bruce89lernid depends on gtkmozembed, what on earthFeb 24 23:02
sebsebsebthen get hardware issues and give up on  trying to fix, since they wanted Ubuntu to just work like a toaster or a TVFeb 24 23:02
sebsebseband if they get issues back to Windows they goFeb 24 23:02
_goblinLernid sounds good though - its something I needed, but didn't know until I read Jono's post on it.  Very handy!Feb 24 23:03
sebsebseb_goblin: I am not sure what this Lemid thing is, and yes I read somethingFeb 24 23:03
sebsebsebread two or so things about Lemid or something like thatFeb 24 23:03
_goblinIts basically a live timetable of IRC events which will connect you to them when they happen, where they happen.Feb 24 23:04
sebsebseboh?Feb 24 23:04
sebsebsebso it will connect to whatever network they are on?Feb 24 23:04
_goblinyep and when they are on.Feb 24 23:04
_goblinnice idea....wish I'd thought of it myself.Feb 24 23:04
sebsebsebsounds goodFeb 24 23:05
_goblinI am presuming it is a Python app....so I might even have a fiddle with its code.Feb 24 23:05
sebsebsebI thought it was for education or something like thatFeb 24 23:05
bruce89it's some quickly thing, it for some odd reason uses gtkmozembedFeb 24 23:05
_goblinyeah, I suppose whatever the events are....I am not sure if its limited to just the Ubuntu universe...Feb 24 23:06
_goblinI think Jono needs a pat on the back for that app....good work!Feb 24 23:06
DaemonFCthese distributions need to get rid of their dependencies on XulrunnerFeb 24 23:06
bruce89I suppose it doesn't matter, just strikes me as odd to depend on deprecated stuffFeb 24 23:07
DaemonFCFirefox needs to be demoted to the status of "just another browser"Feb 24 23:07
DaemonFCGnome is using gtkwebkitFeb 24 23:07
sebsebsebNo Jono in here at the momentFeb 24 23:07
bruce89which is why I'm speakingFeb 24 23:07
sebsebsebbruce89: ok, but this channel is publically loggedFeb 24 23:08
bruce89hello!¬Feb 24 23:08
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bruce89not everyone is that bored to read irc logsFeb 24 23:08
sebsebsebbruce89: trueFeb 24 23:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One problem with Zattoo, it seems when its channels update, it takes focus away from whatever window I am currently working in.Feb 24 23:08
sebsebsebhowever quite a lot of people read these apparantly, isn't that so schestowitz  ?Feb 24 23:09
_goblinWintrolls can't get enough of em.Feb 24 23:09
bruce89hello, hope you get to sleep soon!Feb 24 23:09
_goblinits like the morning papers for them...Feb 24 23:09
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bruce89hello, hope you enjoyed your sleep!Feb 24 23:09
comradekingu"Secret deals do not satisfy this satisfy this requirement and"  from latest rss on the amazon/ms dealFeb 24 23:10
_goblinyou have to be very careful how you word things since they will jump on something they can post out of context.Feb 24 23:10
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_goblinRight im off to bed shortly.....Feb 24 23:11
_goblinearly start.Feb 24 23:11
sebsebsebjono: we were just chatting about lemidFeb 24 23:11
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sebsebseband he's gone again oh wellFeb 24 23:12
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sebsebsebjono: we were just chatting about lemidFeb 24 23:12
jonosebsebseb, coolFeb 24 23:12
jonosurprising that a project came out of Ubuntu that wasn't written in Mono, eh?Feb 24 23:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Sarkozy asked for secrecy of ACTA negotiations, was afraid of the European Parliament's views: http://i5.be/awKFeb 24 23:12
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jono:PFeb 24 23:13
MinceRindeedFeb 24 23:13
_goblinJono - before I go.....great idea for Lernid.....can't wait to give it a run....didn't know I needed it until I read what it did!.......Feb 24 23:13
sebsebseb_goblin: you could ask him about the networksFeb 24 23:13
_goblin?Feb 24 23:13
DaemonFCheheFeb 24 23:14
jonothanks _goblin! I think it really helps with online learning :)Feb 24 23:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: or was that you?Feb 24 23:14
sebsebsebwell whateverFeb 24 23:14
DaemonFCfound out how to shake Jamendo and have some Oggs fall outFeb 24 23:14
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 23:14
sebsebsebsomeone was wondering if it showed other networksFeb 24 23:14
sebsebsebnot just UbuntuFeb 24 23:14
DaemonFCWas it me for what?Feb 24 23:14
DaemonFChuh?Feb 24 23:14
DaemonFC:)Feb 24 23:14
_goblinright im off.....I'll be giving the next alpha a go tomorrow (hopefully) speak to you all in the evening.....and in the words of a great man......Feb 24 23:15
sebsebseb[22:59] <_goblin> yeah, I suppose whatever the events are....I am not sure if its limited to just the Ubuntu universe...Feb 24 23:15
sebsebsebjono:  ^^^^ aboveFeb 24 23:15
_goblin"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast" - Arnold Judas Rimmer, Red DwarfFeb 24 23:15
jono_goblin, bye!Feb 24 23:15
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sebsebsebjono: anyway some sort of IRC events program?Feb 24 23:16
sebsebsebjono: and it does various networks?Feb 24 23:16
jonosebsebseb, it can load other networksFeb 24 23:16
jonoits in the File menuFeb 24 23:16
jonobut the package right now defaults to the Ubuntu networksFeb 24 23:16
sebsebsebjono: oh what a suprise (sarcasm).  well that's expected reallyFeb 24 23:16
jonosebsebseb, no one else is using itFeb 24 23:17
jonoand it is open source, write us a patch and we will submit itFeb 24 23:17
sebsebsebjono: I don't programFeb 24 23:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Dumping on #Michigan , #Kentucky , #Malta , #Gulzar , #DelhiUniversity , and #Jordan http://ur1.ca/nf41Feb 24 23:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft is Dumping on Michigan, Kentucky, Malta, Gulzar, Delhi University, and Jordan | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.31 KBFeb 24 23:18
jonosebsebseb, then it is what it isFeb 24 23:18
jono:)Feb 24 23:18
sebsebsebjono: maybe I wasn't clear,  I don't have a problem with it defaulting to Ubuntu networksFeb 24 23:18
jono:)Feb 24 23:18
sebsebsebjono: at least it's not some sort of search app or browser that's defaulting to Bing :D   right well that's happening as well with Firefox.   Yes best to avoide using Microsoft stuff,  but there are sometimes exceptions to that.   Plus I think now days the search engines all come up with pretty much the same results anyway,  and that's what people tend to use them for results.Feb 24 23:20
DaemonFCprobably subsidizing state government purchases right nowFeb 24 23:20
bruce89ughFeb 24 23:20
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ???Feb 24 23:20
DaemonFCgets them trapped in the horrible Microsoft deal for yearsFeb 24 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: Sarkozy asked for secrecy of ACTA negotiations, was afraid of the European Parliament's views: http://i5.be/awKFeb 24 23:21
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jonorightFeb 24 23:21
sebsebsebbruce89: people can use the search enginge they want to use anyway, so not a big deal reallyFeb 24 23:21
sebsebsebbruce89: of course there are better ways Canonical could of made money thoughFeb 24 23:21
bruce89haveFeb 24 23:21
sebsebsebbruce89: have?Feb 24 23:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @newsbrooke Reading: Why freedom of information means we can all be journalists: http://bit.ly/dlsIqfFeb 24 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I showed Freda http://blueballfixed.ytmnd.com/ and got my laptop back about 15 min laterFeb 24 23:22
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sebsebsebjono: alpha 3 tommorowFeb 24 23:22
sebsebsebjono: rather feature complete? or is it feature complete?Feb 24 23:22
bruce89sebsebseb: could have made moneyFeb 24 23:22
bruce89as opposed to !of"Feb 24 23:22
sebsebsebbruce89: ok I see it nowFeb 24 23:22
jonoyepFeb 24 23:23
jonoit is pretty feature completeFeb 24 23:23
sebsebsebjono: if  vm'd  alpha 2 now and did all the updates, I guess would basically have alpha 3?  and  the changes woudn't be much?   I did alpha 1 and alpha 2 in vm's and then something happended with them.   I'll do a new vm with alpha 3.Feb 24 23:24
DaemonFChttp://www.jamendo.com/get/album/id/album/archiverestricted/redirect/foo/?p2pnet=bittorrent&are=ogg3Feb 24 23:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 24 23:24
DaemonFCwhere foo is the album number you want in Ogg :)Feb 24 23:25
sebsebsebjono: Will alpah 3 have the eye candy,  new background,  uhmm lighter theme?Feb 24 23:25
DaemonFCall the nice brown proprietary softwareFeb 24 23:26
DaemonFCall the nice brown patented softwareFeb 24 23:26
DaemonFCall the nice brown non standard GUI crumbsFeb 24 23:26
MinceRdon't forget all the nice brown ties to send m$ information about the users' interests :>Feb 24 23:30
DaemonFCoh right, but they're using the re-animated corpse of Yahoo as a maskFeb 24 23:31
DaemonFCdon't forget thartFeb 24 23:31
DaemonFC*thatFeb 24 23:31
DaemonFClike that bug on Men In Black, lolFeb 24 23:32
MinceR:>Feb 24 23:32
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnummFLTAYUFeb 24 23:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It just wouldn't have crossed my mind to describe "background defrag" as "elegant".Feb 24 23:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @blizzard: Lessig. In person or broadcast. Tomorrow. http://bit.ly/bOLXthFeb 24 23:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Christopher Blizzard · reminder: lessig chat tomorrow (thursday, feb 25th) at 6pm eastern / 3pm pacific .::. Size~: 47.25 KBFeb 24 23:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] John Carmack Gets Lifetime Achievement Award http://thepcreport.net/2010/02/preview-of-ubuntu-10-04/ fantasticFeb 24 23:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @zoobab: Sarkozy asked for secrecy of ACTA negotiations, was afraid of the European Parliament's views: http://i5.be/awKFeb 24 23:48
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MinceRend of free speech in absurdistan >> http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-23/hungary-approves-law-making-holocaust-denial-a-criminal-offense.htmlFeb 24 23:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hungary Approves Law Making Holocaust Denial a Criminal Offense - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 45.1 KBFeb 24 23:49
MinceRand half the idiots living in this parody of a country are applauding to that, tooFeb 24 23:49
schestowitzIt's also a crime in Germany/Austria AFAIKFeb 24 23:50
schestowitzI guess you could call anti-AstroTurf laws harm to free speech tooFeb 24 23:50
schestowitzLike some people haveFeb 24 23:50
MinceRcensorship in germany and austria is no news thoughFeb 24 23:50
schestowitzI resented Mak eMasnic for defending shills from the FTCFeb 24 23:51
MinceRremember what they did to video gamesFeb 24 23:51
schestowitzLobbyists too should be thrown in dungeons IMHOFeb 24 23:51
schestowitzhttp://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/is+microsoft+behind+google+legal+challenge/3560257Feb 24 23:51
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schestowitzBLECH. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10458849-16.htmlFeb 24 23:53
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schestowitzHe's linking to that softare patent lobbyist from Gangster Group againFeb 24 23:53
schestowitzLike every post among 10Feb 24 23:53
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Kate-Puts-Other-Text-Editors-to-Shame-69405.htmlFeb 24 23:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux News: Applications: Kate Puts Other Text Editors to Shame .::. Size~: 53.4 KBFeb 24 23:54
schestowitzftwFeb 24 23:54
MinceRfor once, asay has a pointFeb 24 23:54
MinceR(even if he only makes it because he works for canonical which hasn't yet become novell2)Feb 24 23:54
schestowitzhttp://techie-buzz.com/browsers/firefox-private-browsing-mode-broken.htmlFeb 24 23:55
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DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/190191/italys_google_convictions_set_a_dangerous_precedent.htmlFeb 24 23:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Italy's Google Convictions Set a Dangerous Precedent - PCWorld .::. Size~: 73.23 KBFeb 24 23:58

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