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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 25th, 2010

MinceRperhaps italy should disconnect from the Internet thenFeb 25 00:00
DaemonFCThey're funny like thatFeb 25 00:01
MinceRi don't think that's funnyFeb 25 00:01
DaemonFCthinking they have jurisdiction over American citizensFeb 25 00:01
MinceRare the affected google employees usian?Feb 25 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Anybody to dump the video streaming on ACTA and post it in OGG somwhere? European Parliament Microsoft crap http://i5.be/awLFeb 25 00:01
DaemonFCthe suspended sentences were to avoid embarrassing themselves when we would refuse to hand our people overFeb 25 00:01
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MinceRthey can't avoid embarrassing themselves when making such idiotic decisionsFeb 25 00:02
DaemonFCstill makes it look like Italy was doing something besides masturbatingFeb 25 00:02
MinceR(except that an alarming amount of countries seem to be similarly corrupt)Feb 25 00:02
DaemonFCMinceR, Isn't it the case though that if one country in the EU issues an arrest warrant, they're all obligated to enforce it?Feb 25 00:03
MinceRi don't knowFeb 25 00:04
*DaemonFC is trying to remember the name of that movie where an American goes to China and the Chinese frame him for murder and give him a show trialFeb 25 00:06
DaemonFCanyone?Feb 25 00:06
schestowitzDistracting animated avatar........ http://blogs.gnome.org/seth/2010/02/24/gnome-3-will-be-amazing/Feb 25 00:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  » Gnome 3 Will Be Amazing Seth Nickell .::. Size~: 16.52 KBFeb 25 00:07
schestowitzNew linux: http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/24/301Feb 25 00:07
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_CornerFeb 25 00:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Corner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.8 KBFeb 25 00:08
DaemonFCit's a shame that Jamendo doesn't link directly to Vorbis filesFeb 25 00:12
DaemonFCeven though they have them right thereFeb 25 00:12
DaemonFCthey give you the link to a dead torrent insteadFeb 25 00:13
DaemonFC:(Feb 25 00:13
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/missile-agency-logo-scares-rightwingers/Feb 25 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Missile agencys crescent moon logo scares right-wingers |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 31.48 KBFeb 25 00:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Miss California hopeful Lauren Ashley: #Bible clearly says gays must be killed, "God knows more than we do about life" http://bit.ly/bqphPiFeb 25 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lauren Ashley, Miss Beverly Hills 2010: Bible Is 'Black And White' About Killing Homosexuals .::. Size~: 158.08 KBFeb 25 00:15
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/24/bizarre-ruling-in-italy-threatens-social-mediaFeb 25 00:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bizarre Ruling in Italy Threatens Social Media | WebProNews .::. Size~: 37.09 KBFeb 25 00:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3] at least they don't misrepresent the bible. This way we can argue against it.Feb 25 00:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to Saint Etienne and feeling very heppy. Massive hugs to @silFeb 25 00:19
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8533640.stmFeb 25 00:20
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schestowitzWill this be like BL? Windows only with DRM?Feb 25 00:20
schestowitzBlech.Feb 25 00:22
schestowitz /. does the whole "pirate" thingFeb 25 00:22
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/1812244/Use-Open-Source-Then-Youre-a-PirateFeb 25 00:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot News Story | Use Open Source? Then You're a Pirate! .::. Size~: 158.66 KBFeb 25 00:22
schestowitzLatvian 'Robin Hood' hacker leaks bank details to TV http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8533641.stmFeb 25 00:24
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schestowitzMinceR: yours? http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-02/24/hungarian-electric-car-splits-into-two-smaller-cars.aspxFeb 25 00:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hungarian electric car splits into two smaller cars .::. Size~: 48.6 KBFeb 25 00:24
MinceRi've read about itFeb 25 00:28
MinceRi think it's too much of a gimmickFeb 25 00:28
FurnaceBoyit was done in an Australian movie, "Malcolm", 1986Feb 25 00:29
FurnaceBoythey built a car which could split in halfFeb 25 00:29
MinceRany car can split in half :>Feb 25 00:31
FurnaceBoywell, and keep functioning. the movie used this in a getaway sequence :)Feb 25 00:32
DaemonFCmy car looks like it's been used in a few get away sequencesFeb 25 00:33
DaemonFClolFeb 25 00:33
FurnaceBoymaybe it has...Feb 25 00:33
DaemonFCI checked the trunk for bodiesFeb 25 00:33
DaemonFCbefore you askFeb 25 00:33
DaemonFC:PFeb 25 00:33
FurnaceBoyyou probably should do that after every night outFeb 25 00:33
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/02/23/2317259/Scaling-Algorithm-Bug-In-Gimp-Photoshop-OthersFeb 25 00:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | Scaling Algorithm Bug In Gimp, Photoshop, Others .::. Size~: 178.47 KBFeb 25 00:35
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/googles-bad-day/?cs=39642 "On the heels of user ire regarding privacy issues presented by Buzz, the company's new social networking platform, Google has been hit with antitrust charges in Europe, three of its executives were convicted of privacy violations in Italy, and it canceled a NexusOne event in China."Feb 25 00:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google's Bad Day | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 77.62 KBFeb 25 00:35
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yeah, after this man asked him for direction and he drove away with his hand stuck in the windowFeb 25 00:36
schestowitz;-)Feb 25 00:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: lucky he didn't call him namesFeb 25 00:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: we know what happens thenFeb 25 00:37
FurnaceBoy"What do you call a playground bully with a gun?"Feb 25 00:37
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/ftc-warns-businesses-about-the-danger-of-file-sharing-networks/?cs=39600Feb 25 00:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FTC Warns Businesses about the Danger of File-Sharing Networks | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 77.22 KBFeb 25 00:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: a ryan.Feb 25 00:37
schestowitzBut he was no bullyFeb 25 00:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "Sir," I think.Feb 25 00:38
schestowitzHe was bulliedFeb 25 00:38
FurnaceBoywe shouldn't let DaemonFC's gun ownership define him... but he seems to... so why not play alongFeb 25 00:38
schestowitzThese people sometimes join the police to revenge the bullyingFeb 25 00:38
schestowitzNow Ubuntu has something in common with Tw*tter. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1593305/twitter-makes-deal-yahooFeb 25 00:40
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schestowitzhttp://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100223PD216.htmlFeb 25 00:41
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schestowitzLOL -> http://www.somersetcountygazette.co.uk/news/5023796.Call_for_CCTV_volunteers/Feb 25 00:43
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schestowitzhttp://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/02/watch-alex-deane-speaks-at-an-unwarranted-intrusion.htmlFeb 25 00:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WATCH: Alex Deane speaks at 'An Unwarranted Intrusion?' - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 32.77 KBFeb 25 00:45
sebsebsebhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8522952.stmFeb 25 00:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 88.67 KBFeb 25 00:48
sebsebsebRead about this before it seems,  and good ideaFeb 25 00:48
sebsebsebor maybe I read about something  similar, well whateverFeb 25 00:50
sebsebsebhowever paying monthly to use a computer properly hrmFeb 25 00:51
cubezzzeh?Feb 25 00:55
cubezzzI'm getting some respect for KaffeineFeb 25 00:55
cubezzzugh, BBC is running Microsoft adsFeb 25 00:55
bruce89where?Feb 25 00:56
cubezzzjust look up ^^^Feb 25 00:56
bruce89not here they don'tFeb 25 00:58
cubezzzyou're not missing anything :)Feb 25 00:59
schestowitzbruce89: what's the ad for?Feb 25 00:59
schestowitzI know they advertise outside the UKFeb 25 00:59
schestowitzbruce89: better yet, grab a screenshotFeb 25 00:59
bruce89I would if it was me that saw itFeb 25 00:59
FurnaceBoyheheFeb 25 01:00
schestowitzpost it on image/photo bucket or somethingFeb 25 01:00
schestowitzOhFeb 25 01:00
schestowitzcubezzz: Feb 25 01:00
schestowitzCanadians get adsFeb 25 01:00
schestowitzMicrosoft ads on a Linux articleFeb 25 01:00
cubezzzoh greatFeb 25 01:00
schestowitzIn the MSBBCFeb 25 01:00
cubezzzMicrosoft is always running ads on Linux sites, slashdot etcFeb 25 01:01
FurnaceBoyyeah but...Feb 25 01:01
bruce89yikes, Sweden UK curling is 6 all after 10 endsFeb 25 01:01
cubezzzugh, MSBBC sounds like an unholy unionFeb 25 01:02
FurnaceBoy /. is somewhat defensible .. at least a good part of teh audience it's wasted on.Feb 25 01:02
bruce89thank goodness for the licence fee preventing adverts for usFeb 25 01:03
schestowitzcubezzz: can you send a screnshot, pls?Feb 25 01:04
cubezzzah, okFeb 25 01:04
schestowitzThanksFeb 25 01:07
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/microsoft-horseshit.jpgFeb 25 01:08
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cubezzzthere you go :)Feb 25 01:08
sebsebsebhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9160878/Federal_judge_orders_Pa._schools_to_stop_laptop_spyingFeb 25 01:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Federal judge orders Pa. schools to stop laptop spying .::. Size~: 123.84 KBFeb 25 01:09
MinceRwhy the extra white area?Feb 25 01:09
sebsebsebMinceR: where?Feb 25 01:09
MinceRat the bottom of the image linked by cubezzzFeb 25 01:10
cubezzzhmmm, weirdFeb 25 01:10
cubezzzdon't know why that happenedFeb 25 01:10
cubezzzsomething about kolourpaint I thinkFeb 25 01:11
sebsebsebhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022401435SCSWFeb 25 01:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - The Spy at Harriton High .::. Size~: 78.33 KBFeb 25 01:14
sebsebsebPersonalley I think web cams shoudn't be part of these lap tops in the first place.Feb 25 01:15
sebsebsebschool lap topsFeb 25 01:15
cubezzzfixedFeb 25 01:16
cubezzzhit refreshFeb 25 01:16
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cubezzznot even sure what Microsoft is advertising thereFeb 25 01:17
sebsebsebtech sitesFeb 25 01:18
sebsebsebget Microsoft advertsFeb 25 01:18
sebsebsebit's the way it isFeb 25 01:18
sebsebsebnot much we can do about itFeb 25 01:18
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Ender2070DaemonFC - whatFeb 25 01:20
bruce89buggerFeb 25 01:22
bruce89Sweden won in the final endFeb 25 01:23
cubezzzSweden vs..?Feb 25 01:23
cubezzzah UKFeb 25 01:23
bruce89well, it's known as Great Britain, but it's really UFeb 25 01:23
bruce89UK; I realise curling isn't a big sport, but it's one which Scotland is quite good atFeb 25 01:24
cubezzzCanada is big on curlingFeb 25 01:24
cubezzzthere's clubs all over the placeFeb 25 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Out to dinner, back in a bit.Feb 25 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MSBBC Advertises #Microsoft in Its Rare #GNU #Linux Articles http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/24/screenshot-msbbc/ auntie ain't behavin'Feb 25 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MSBBC Advertises Microsoft in Its Rare GNU/Linux Articles | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.86 KBFeb 25 01:24
bruce89oh well, better than Scotland anywayFeb 25 01:25
schestowitzgnFeb 25 01:25
cubezzzlaterFeb 25 01:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: niteFeb 25 01:26
bruce89the BBC do do Dirac mind, but that seems to be as far as they goFeb 25 01:26
FurnaceBoyiPlayer fiascoFeb 25 01:26
bruce89get_iplayer still works incidentallyFeb 25 01:27
cubezzzthere's no MSBBC really is there?Feb 25 01:27
bruce89not officallyFeb 25 01:27
FurnaceBoymicrosoft recognises it is worthwhile to infiltrateFeb 25 01:30
FurnaceBoywhich is revolting. another hack of the system.Feb 25 01:30
cubezzzMicrosoft cruds up everythingFeb 25 01:34
FurnaceBoyup next: Exxon takes over the EPA. Blackwater takes over Army. Goldman Sachs runs the IRS.Feb 25 01:34
FurnaceBoythe bbc is not supposed to serve a corporation, yet it's being corrupted in this wayFeb 25 01:35
cubezzzI wouldn't say Microsoft is infilrating Linux thoughFeb 25 01:35
FurnaceBoywhen do we declare enough is enough?Feb 25 01:35
cubezzzmedia yesFeb 25 01:35
FurnaceBoyno, it's found other means to attack linuxFeb 25 01:35
FurnaceBoyfamouslyFeb 25 01:35
FurnaceBoyit will always find meansFeb 25 01:35
cubezzzbut it's not really effectiveFeb 25 01:35
FurnaceBoyand notice how they are never "by having a better product"Feb 25 01:36
cubezzzthe real battle is philosophicalFeb 25 01:36
FurnaceBoybefore we get to the philosophical, we have to end the crimeFeb 25 01:36
FurnaceBoythe crime spree is outrageous in scope, and continuousFeb 25 01:36
cubezzzwell who is supposed to hold Microsoft in check?Feb 25 01:37
FurnaceBoyexactlyFeb 25 01:37
FurnaceBoythey hacked the legal systemFeb 25 01:37
FurnaceBoynow they are hacking institutions like the bbcFeb 25 01:37
FurnaceBoyGates is already de facto Education Minister in the USAFeb 25 01:37
FurnaceBoyand wherever else he can pull that offFeb 25 01:37
bruce89just to confuse the issue http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/magazine/8517057.stmFeb 25 01:38
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FurnaceBoyif you read Gates and executive testimony, you will see how they manage to make an end run around the lawFeb 25 01:38
FurnaceBoynothing sticksFeb 25 01:38
FurnaceBoyhe literally beat the system in teh USA and EUFeb 25 01:38
FurnaceBoyeven when he loses, he winsFeb 25 01:38
FurnaceBoyi4i patent "loss" was five days' revenue.Feb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoyfor five years of infringement.Feb 25 01:39
DaemonFCWord of the day: FesterPodFeb 25 01:39
DaemonFC(Zune)Feb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoythat's like throwing a rotten tomato on a tank.Feb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoyat*Feb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoyin other words, the law can't touch microsoft.Feb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoyat all.Feb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoywhich i believe was his objective all alongFeb 25 01:39
FurnaceBoyhe doesn't like ceding any power or territory to anyone or any thingFeb 25 01:41
cubezzzoutside of the USA it's a bit differentFeb 25 01:41
FurnaceBoyand it appears the bbc has no defence against this inexorable poison eitherFeb 25 01:41
cubezzzAcer is starting to give the Big M the fingerFeb 25 01:41
FurnaceBoyhe controls the Huffington Post ... NYT ...Feb 25 01:41
FurnaceBoycubezzz: right, but notice that MS isn't fighting on that turf. it's not fighting on any technical turf.Feb 25 01:42
FurnaceBoyit's not even trying to build a better anything. IE9 will suck just as hard.Feb 25 01:42
cubezzzand I'll never see it :)Feb 25 01:42
FurnaceBoyit wants market share its way -- by lying and cheating and threateningFeb 25 01:42
cubezzzIE is losing marketshare...Feb 25 01:42
FurnaceBoyand infiltrating so that it can block out the competitionFeb 25 01:42
FurnaceBoyfrom communicatingFeb 25 01:43
FurnaceBoyand injecting FUDFeb 25 01:43
cubezzzthe scary time was around 1999-2000Feb 25 01:43
cubezzznow, I'm more optimisticFeb 25 01:43
FurnaceBoycubezzz: right, but this hardly matters, the share is gained by other meansFeb 25 01:43
FurnaceBoycubezzz: no, now is even more scary Feb 25 01:43
FurnaceBoycubezzz: this is not about technicalities, you see...Feb 25 01:43
FurnaceBoycubezzz: technical battles are easy for F/OSS to winFeb 25 01:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the turf is changingFeb 25 01:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: how do you stop Gates controlling the discourse in the NYT and BBC?Feb 25 01:44
cubezzzNow I install Linux boxes all over the place, back in 2000 I was using win2kFeb 25 01:44
FurnaceBoybig picture, big picture!Feb 25 01:44
cubezzzhe's not controlling BBC :)Feb 25 01:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: they are infiltrating.Feb 25 01:44
DaemonFClove the FesterFeb 25 01:45
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and it 's easy to see whyFeb 25 01:45
DaemonFCembrace the FesterFeb 25 01:45
DaemonFCbuy Vista7Feb 25 01:45
FurnaceBoythey need to control the discourse, cubezzzFeb 25 01:45
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 01:45
FurnaceBoythe technology doesn't matterFeb 25 01:45
FurnaceBoyF/OSS won the technical battle almost before it startedFeb 25 01:46
bruce89the BBC can't be all bad, Big Top was cancelledFeb 25 01:46
cubezzzyes, there wasn't a tech battle :)Feb 25 01:46
FurnaceBoycubezzz: right ...Feb 25 01:46
FurnaceBoycubezzz: also, there's the patent thingFeb 25 01:46
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cubezzzMicrosoft will just collapse on it's ownFeb 25 01:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yes I agree, but it takes a long timeFeb 25 01:47
cubezzzit's a big fat useless blimpFeb 25 01:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: we still have to be aware of their strategiesFeb 25 01:47
cubezzzand no one uses blimps :)Feb 25 01:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: as they get increasingly desperateFeb 25 01:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the patent thing is a biggie, there's no sign of patents disappearing in the USAFeb 25 01:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: which means enormous future damage to the industryFeb 25 01:47
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and they'll try all this stuff in EUFeb 25 01:48
cubezzzEU beat up Microsoft actuallyFeb 25 01:48
FurnaceBoysort of.Feb 25 01:48
cubezzzthey hate them I think :)Feb 25 01:48
FurnaceBoyin the end, Kroes gave a lot of concessionsFeb 25 01:48
FurnaceBoyshe threw them a boneFeb 25 01:48
FurnaceBoythe penalty was nothingFeb 25 01:48
FurnaceBoyand that charge is now burned out.Feb 25 01:48
FurnaceBoythe threat is gone.Feb 25 01:49
cubezzzdidn't they pay that those huge fines?Feb 25 01:49
FurnaceBoythe end result was a compromise in MS favour, and they continue to spin it their way.Feb 25 01:49
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the fines weren't largeFeb 25 01:49
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the browser choice thing was a compromise in MS' favour.Feb 25 01:49
cubezzz600 million or somethingFeb 25 01:49
FurnaceBoywhich is nothing to MSFeb 25 01:49
FurnaceBoyit's just "cost of doing business," it does not change their behaviuor,Feb 25 01:50
FurnaceBoy-iourFeb 25 01:50
FurnaceBoyit's ineffective.Feb 25 01:50
FurnaceBoyand where 's the next legal attack?Feb 25 01:50
FurnaceBoythe avenue is spentFeb 25 01:50
cubezzzEurope is smartFeb 25 01:50
FurnaceBoybut they lost an opportunityFeb 25 01:51
cubezzzthey know what Microsoft is like, and they don't want the USA controlling EuropeFeb 25 01:51
FurnaceBoyEurope is corruptible too, potentiallyFeb 25 01:51
FurnaceBoyMS has influence in Europe. Feb 25 01:51
FurnaceBoywe just have to minimise itFeb 25 01:51
FurnaceBoynever forget how dangerous they areFeb 25 01:51
FurnaceBoycubezzz: to illustrateFeb 25 01:51
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the first version of the browser choice screen REQUIRED IE. And they expected that to be approved...Feb 25 01:52
FurnaceBoythat' the kind of stunt they pull all the timeFeb 25 01:53
FurnaceBoywith OEMs tooFeb 25 01:53
FurnaceBoythe past court testimony and evidence is very enlighteningFeb 25 01:53
DaemonFChttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pNJFZtinpKY/SB4hby5eAZI/AAAAAAAADP4/Ihr6mNpenvM/s1600/BALLMERasDrEvil.jpgFeb 25 01:54
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Dr Evil is fictional characterFeb 25 01:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Ballmer is very much a clear and present problemFeb 25 01:54
DaemonFChttp://www.globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/JoeydeVillaandSteveBallmer.jpgFeb 25 01:54
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DaemonFCnice hatFeb 25 01:54
FurnaceBoyheh, Joey is from this townFeb 25 01:55
FurnaceBoyi've seen him aroundFeb 25 01:55
DaemonFCFester proclaims himself emperor of CanadaFeb 25 01:55
DaemonFChttp://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/52000/Abusive-Ballmer--52068.jpgFeb 25 01:56
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bruce89actually, the BBC have made a lot of crap recentlyFeb 25 01:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, Use this one next time you bring up Ubuntu :)Feb 25 01:58
DaemonFChttp://ycorpblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/ballmer-signs.jpgFeb 25 01:58
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DaemonFCFesterbuntu is the greatest OS ever!Feb 25 01:59
DaemonFCit's all brown and uses Yahoo, it feels like you're using a dying houseplant! :)Feb 25 02:00
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DaemonFCspeaking of Festerbuntu, here's their spokespersonFeb 25 02:00
bruce89every bloody article on Wikipedia about British stuff is spelt the American wayFeb 25 02:16
DaemonFCand every article about American stuff is spelled the British wayFeb 25 02:17
DaemonFCI think someone has a sick sense of humorFeb 25 02:17
DaemonFCbruce89, Probably just inconsistencies due to whoever edited that sectionFeb 25 02:19
bruce89pretty much every British TV programme I need to fix to use "series" and "programme"Feb 25 02:20
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FurnaceBoybruce89: LOLFeb 25 02:27
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FurnaceBoyjweyrich: bem vindoFeb 25 02:40
jweyrichFurnaceBoy: boa noite! obrigado :)Feb 25 02:40
jweyrichtudo bem?Feb 25 02:40
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cubezzzHumour, Tyre, Colour :)Feb 25 02:46
DaemonFCuhhhm ok?Feb 25 02:52
DaemonFCactually, how did English fragment like this?Feb 25 02:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Just one hour to go ! Workshop on Public Software #publicsoftware at Jaipur @ DigantarFeb 25 02:56
cubezzzoh he left Feb 25 02:56
cubezzzCentre :)Feb 25 02:56
cubezzzlast oneFeb 25 02:56
DaemonFCI think people did this shit just to bring about the shitty Readers Digest stories about British people arguing with us over what to call an elevatorFeb 25 02:57
DaemonFC"The elevator was invented in America"Feb 25 02:58
DaemonFC"Tee hee, well the language was invented here"Feb 25 02:58
DaemonFCand that was right about the time I punched that fucker in the face and walked away...Feb 25 02:58
cubezzzMicrosoft is an American invention :)Feb 25 02:59
DaemonFCa very profitable oneFeb 25 02:59
DaemonFCwhy do you think our government won't stop them?Feb 25 02:59
cubezzzyes, I'm sure that is a big part of itFeb 25 02:59
DaemonFCit's also profitable for the EUFeb 25 03:00
DaemonFCwhich is why the EU won't stop themFeb 25 03:00
DaemonFCthey just take moneyFeb 25 03:00
DaemonFCThat'll be $720 million, now we expect you to let people choose Opera if they want thatFeb 25 03:01
DaemonFC(even though they still have to have MSIE on the machine)Feb 25 03:01
cubezzzdidn't they make them remove IE?Feb 25 03:02
DaemonFCnoFeb 25 03:02
cubezzzpffftFeb 25 03:02
DaemonFCIE is still there no matter what you doFeb 25 03:02
DaemonFCeven if you "uninstall" it yourself, 95% of it is still thereFeb 25 03:02
cubezzzwell assuming you use doze yeahFeb 25 03:02
DaemonFCthe "uninstall IE" option only goes a little further than it did in XPFeb 25 03:03
DaemonFCin XP it deleted a few iconsFeb 25 03:03
DaemonFCnow it removes iexplore.exe tooFeb 25 03:03
DaemonFCthe entire rendering engine is still there and can be embedded in anythingFeb 25 03:03
DaemonFCThe EU either bought Microsoft's "It can't be uninstalled" lineFeb 25 03:04
DaemonFCor the EU doesn't care and is just using the fine as a taxFeb 25 03:04
DaemonFCand it wouldn't matter what MS saysFeb 25 03:05
DaemonFCeither way the EU is either inept or corruptFeb 25 03:05
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 03:05
DaemonFCI'm going to go with bothFeb 25 03:05
DaemonFCsort of a Schrodinger's Cat approach, when you can't tell if someone is stupid or in on it, you have to assume bothFeb 25 03:06
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tzkso, not just Novell, now Canonical begins too to divide the FS community?Feb 25 03:22
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's more than 'inept and corrupt'Feb 25 03:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: MS did an end run about them and your DoJFeb 25 03:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the law can't touch themFeb 25 03:37
DaemonFCno, they canFeb 25 03:37
DaemonFCthey choose not toFeb 25 03:37
FurnaceBoyhow exactlyFeb 25 03:37
FurnaceBoyyou're wrongFeb 25 03:37
FurnaceBoyit was an adverse ruling.Feb 25 03:37
DaemonFCSherman Antitrust ActFeb 25 03:37
FurnaceBoywhat penalty would have made a difference?Feb 25 03:38
DaemonFCgives the US government the authority to break them up, like what happened to AT&TFeb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoyTHEY DIDN'T.Feb 25 03:38
DaemonFCbut I only said they couldFeb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoywho's going to try now?Feb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoyevidently they couldn't.Feb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoyMS did an end run.Feb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoyand in the EUFeb 25 03:38
DaemonFCcould and did are two different thingsFeb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoythey can't.Feb 25 03:38
FurnaceBoynobody can touch them/Feb 25 03:38
DaemonFCI could grab my gun and go firing into a crowdFeb 25 03:39
DaemonFCI am physically capable of doing thatFeb 25 03:39
DaemonFCI'm not going toFeb 25 03:39
FurnaceBoyyou're splitting hairsFeb 25 03:39
FurnaceBoyfact is, there was no realistic penalty in the USA or the EUFeb 25 03:39
FurnaceBoyso what next?Feb 25 03:39
DaemonFCI'm saying the government has the ability, not the will to use itFeb 25 03:39
FurnaceBoyfact is, there was no realistic penalty in the USA or the EUFeb 25 03:39
FurnaceBoyso what next?Feb 25 03:39
DaemonFCthe right question is "Why they did not use their ability to do something?"Feb 25 03:40
DaemonFCthe answer may be that they were bribedFeb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoybecause MS has some pressureFeb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 25 03:40
DaemonFCthat probably is the reasonFeb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoyit may.Feb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoyso what next?Feb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoywe know that the EU bowed to a compromise penaltyFeb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoyand the fine is not significant.Feb 25 03:40
DaemonFCit was not a penaltyFeb 25 03:40
FurnaceBoywe probably know why this happenedFeb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoybut what do we do next?Feb 25 03:41
DaemonFCit was an excuse to impose a taxFeb 25 03:41
DaemonFCnothing more, nothing lessFeb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoyeh?Feb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoyit was a fine for antitrust judgementFeb 25 03:41
DaemonFCthe EU did not fine Microsoft, they taxed themFeb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoyeh?Feb 25 03:41
DaemonFChehFeb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoywhat a load of crapFeb 25 03:41
DaemonFCexcuse to assess a taxFeb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoyyou can be such an idiotFeb 25 03:41
DaemonFCthere was no penaltyFeb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoythat's just what yankee know-nothings always say.Feb 25 03:41
FurnaceBoyit's a pile of shitFeb 25 03:41
DaemonFCpenalty would have a corrective action plan more substantive than a browser ballot screenFeb 25 03:42
FurnaceBoythe problem here is: WHAT NEXTFeb 25 03:42
DaemonFCthe EU did not penalize them, they taxed themFeb 25 03:42
FurnaceBoywho's going to make the next move?Feb 25 03:42
FurnaceBoyDoJ: nada. EU: nada.Feb 25 03:42
FurnaceBoydo we petition the martians?Feb 25 03:42
DaemonFCChina might tax/fine them like the EU didFeb 25 03:42
DaemonFCI call the EU fine a tax because it didn't break Microsoft, it didn't impose sanctionsFeb 25 03:43
DaemonFCMS paid it and moved onFeb 25 03:43
FurnaceBoyrightFeb 25 03:43
DaemonFCit was a taxFeb 25 03:43
FurnaceBoybut it *was* a penalty.Feb 25 03:43
FurnaceBoyjust not the right one.Feb 25 03:43
DaemonFCit's like a seat belt ticketFeb 25 03:43
FurnaceBoyso what next?Feb 25 03:43
FurnaceBoyyes. Feb 25 03:43
FurnaceBoyi4i was the sameFeb 25 03:43
DaemonFCseat belt laws don't promote a state interestFeb 25 03:44
DaemonFCthey generate revenueFeb 25 03:44
DaemonFCthat's the EU Microsoft fineFeb 25 03:44
FurnaceBoyright, probably they were pressuredFeb 25 03:44
FurnaceBoyso ...?Feb 25 03:44
DaemonFCIf the EU had told Microsoft to make IE optional as in really rip it out, and assessed a fine, I would say there was corrective actionFeb 25 03:45
FurnaceBoysure!Feb 25 03:45
FurnaceBoyi'm more interested in what happens nextFeb 25 03:45
DaemonFCcost of doing business, MS moves on, their users still get MSIEFeb 25 03:45
DaemonFCBallmer laughs his ass offFeb 25 03:45
FurnaceBoyyes, we knowFeb 25 03:45
DaemonFCthe Russians should do somethingFeb 25 03:45
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 25 03:46
FurnaceBoythey love MSFeb 25 03:46
FurnaceBoyand they're very corruptFeb 25 03:46
DaemonFCthey're up next, right? :DFeb 25 03:46
DaemonFC"We will bury you!" *in fines*Feb 25 03:47
DaemonFCmuahahahahaaaaaFeb 25 03:47
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Or maybe this is where Canada rides in to do something.Feb 25 03:50
DaemonFCOf course you'll have to explain to the judge and jury that the internet is not the little blue EFeb 25 03:51
DaemonFCthen they'll ask what it's all aboot thenFeb 25 03:51
*DaemonFC ducksFeb 25 03:51
FurnaceBoyCanada can't do anything, obviously.Feb 25 03:52
FurnaceBoythe EU was a big hopeFeb 25 03:52
FurnaceBoyit appears they got away with everything.Feb 25 03:52
DaemonFCthreaten to cut off maple syrupFeb 25 03:52
DaemonFChmmm, speaking of which, does anyone still eat that?Feb 25 03:52
DaemonFCyeah, look how many member states the EU had to gobble up to not be impotent anymoreFeb 25 03:54
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 25 03:54
FurnaceBoyit's widely sold here.Feb 25 03:54
DaemonFCthat stuff will plug you up like nothing elseFeb 25 03:55
DaemonFCthe only thing you could do to make it worse is mix it in peanut butterFeb 25 03:56
FurnaceBoyeh?Feb 25 03:57
FurnaceBoyi'm not sure you're talking about maple syrup...Feb 25 03:57
DaemonFCthey ought to sell it with laxatives mixed in for your convenienceFeb 25 03:57
FurnaceBoyit's just a sweetener like honey or golden syrupFeb 25 03:57
FurnaceBoyi use piles of it on french toastFeb 25 03:57
FurnaceBoyin the USA you have it on wafflesFeb 25 03:57
DaemonFCit does not agree with me at allFeb 25 03:57
FurnaceBoyfake stuff Feb 25 03:57
DaemonFCyeah, I use the fake stuff that has Splenda in itFeb 25 03:57
FurnaceBoyodd. how about honey or other syrups?Feb 25 03:57
DaemonFCnope, I love honeyFeb 25 03:58
FurnaceBoyhmFeb 25 03:58
DaemonFCthe orange blossom honeyFeb 25 03:58
DaemonFCstuff you get in Florida, mmmmmFeb 25 03:58
FurnaceBoywell must be something about the maple then.Feb 25 03:58
DaemonFCI wonder when someone is going to build another set of Mesa packages on Koji...Feb 25 04:00
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DaemonFCI think they must have stopped to freeze it for F13 Alpha or somethingFeb 25 04:01
tonytraductorI just read the article about Ubuntu using Yahoo! searchFeb 25 04:03
tonytraductorand I have just recently made the decision to discontinue use of any Yahoo! services.Feb 25 04:03
tonytraductorI have one laptop with ubuntu on it (rest of my machines are debian).  Of course, changing the default search in a browser is trivial.  I use google-chrome, anyway, not firefox, anymore.Feb 25 04:04
tonytraductorI do find it rather odd that ubuntu chose to switch to Yahoo!, though...is there a problem twixt shuttleworth and google or something that I've missed?Feb 25 04:05
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DaemonFCtonytraductor, http://fedoraproject.org/Feb 25 04:05
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DaemonFC:)Feb 25 04:05
DaemonFCI don't think I'm going to use Ubuntu ever againFeb 25 04:06
FurnaceBoyi'm gonna continue not using it !Feb 25 04:06
DaemonFCthey'd have to fix some pretty serious concerns/deficienciesFeb 25 04:06
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, jono kind of reminds me of "Melissa Mendoza", the sock puppet for whenever anyone bitches about ComcastFeb 25 04:07
DaemonFCit's really starting to piss me offFeb 25 04:07
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 25 04:07
FurnaceBoypeople always defend their own turfFeb 25 04:07
FurnaceBoy'don't shit where you eat,' i guess.Feb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyalso this channel is loggedFeb 25 04:08
DaemonFCI care?Feb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyand ppl are held to account for public statementsFeb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyno, not referring to youFeb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyothersFeb 25 04:08
DaemonFCoh, jonobuntuFeb 25 04:08
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyso anyone with a public profile has probably learned to watch what they sayFeb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyPR-speak, equivocation, etcFeb 25 04:08
FurnaceBoyweasel words!Feb 25 04:08
DaemonFCThe scary thing is I used to use and love Red Hat and MandrivaFeb 25 04:09
DaemonFCI don't know how I got on XP and UbuntuFeb 25 04:09
FurnaceBoyheheheheeeFeb 25 04:09
FurnaceBoyi wonder if roy is planning a simple bullet list of 'why to avoid ubuntu' or 'how to pick a linux distribution that hasn't sold out'Feb 25 04:10
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DaemonFCthe lady at my ISP's office at the time burned me a Red Hat 6 disc iircFeb 25 04:10
DaemonFCthat was back in the 90sFeb 25 04:10
tonytraductorbah, fedora...I quit using fedora about 3 years ago (had used RH/Fedora for c. 7 years). I got tired of yum breaking stuffFeb 25 04:10
tonytraductordebian rules!Feb 25 04:10
DaemonFCIt had nothing but 2d support for my 3dfx card, so I dual booted with Windows 98Feb 25 04:10
DaemonFCdidn't allow Windows internet accessFeb 25 04:11
DaemonFCjust for gamesFeb 25 04:11
DaemonFCspyware was just becoming a problem, but remote attackers, viruses, and worms were aroundFeb 25 04:11
DaemonFCin fact, I think I used the program that first brought about the term "spyware"Feb 25 04:12
DaemonFCthat gozilla downloader thingFeb 25 04:12
DaemonFCI figured out how to patch it to disable the advertising thoughFeb 25 04:13
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DaemonFCanti-featuresFeb 25 04:14
DaemonFCWindows XP and spyware brought those mainstream :)Feb 25 04:14
DaemonFCyou'd think that instead of hacking around limitations this long, more people would move to software that didn't have those limitationsFeb 25 04:15
FurnaceBoyyou'd think.Feb 25 04:15
FurnaceBoyyou'd think that the market wasn't insanely distorted to stop rational choices being made.Feb 25 04:15
FurnaceBoybut you'd be wrongFeb 25 04:16
DaemonFC"Oh look, they left a buffer overflow unchecked! Let's use that as a hook to jimmy in a feature!"Feb 25 04:16
DaemonFClmaoFeb 25 04:16
DaemonFCpathetic reallyFeb 25 04:16
DaemonFCit's like a starving peasant shouting "Look! The kind has dropped some crumbs off his table! Happy day!"Feb 25 04:17
DaemonFC*kingFeb 25 04:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Intellectual property my *** http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-propertyFeb 25 04:17
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*FurnaceBoy zzz'sFeb 25 04:20
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showpost.php?p=209556&postcount=15Feb 25 04:27
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tonytraductorI saw the "enemy of the state thing"Feb 25 04:27
tonytraductorat the same time, the Obama admin has just stipulated that govt. agencies make documentation and information available in open file formats: http://baldwinsoftware.com/blog/?p=54Feb 25 04:28
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tonytraductorwhoa...does that mean the bot likes me?Feb 25 04:29
tonytraductorkinda cool how the bot shows the content of a link like that.  impossible to spam the channel with misleading linksFeb 25 04:36
tonytraductorI just gotta try this http://www.baldwinsoftware.comFeb 25 04:43
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tonytraductorwanted to see what it said about my siteFeb 25 04:43
tonytraductorI don't want to flood the channel with links, but that was funFeb 25 04:43
tonytraductorI amuse myselfFeb 25 04:43
DaemonFCthe Marriage Discrimination Amendment dies in the Indiana Senate for the 10th year in a rowFeb 25 04:57
DaemonFCyayFeb 25 04:57
DaemonFCerr, it passed the senate and died in the house I meanFeb 25 04:57
DaemonFClike it does every yearFeb 25 04:57
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DaemonFChttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/337496/linux_2_6_33_released_nvidia_driver_androidFeb 25 05:03
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DaemonFCNvidia users may soon get some relief from the binary moduleFeb 25 05:04
DaemonFCexperimental 3d support is better than no 3d support, things keep moving in the right direction, yayFeb 25 05:04
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showpost.php?p=209562&postcount=17Feb 25 05:37
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DaemonFCYou know I'm all about the FesterPod. Uncle Fester made sure it only works with Windows, and only Genuine Windows at that! Uncle Fester even made sure those bad people can't give me AIDS with Ogg Vorbis files. Did you know that all Linux desktop users are stealing Uncle Fester's Intellectual Property and that they should pay him $50 for protection right now?Feb 25 05:44
*DaemonFC ducksFeb 25 05:44
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showpost.php?p=209562&postcount=17Feb 25 05:48
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DaemonFCmuch betterFeb 25 05:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Shoq Frank Gaffney ... RT @plutoniumpage: Oh for God's sake... http://bit.ly/b08Jh2 // what a dangerous idiot #war #death #gopFeb 25 05:58
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #woot :D RD: @rahulsundaram #kde four dot four is now in #Fedora 12 and Fedora 11 updates repoFeb 25 06:07
DaemonFCyeah, but Firefox 3.6 isn'tFeb 25 06:12
DaemonFCI pulled it out of RawhideFeb 25 06:12
DaemonFC:PFeb 25 06:12
DaemonFCnot the biggest thing I've replaced, my system is Frankenstein right now, with about 95% being Fedora 12Feb 25 06:13
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 06:13
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Will miss my dear friend @g33f in ASV suntech park, she is going to another office.Feb 25 06:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Brand New Lernid Released - http://is.gd/98rfF #ubuntuFeb 25 07:06
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DaemonFCthat's what you use to learn MonoDevelop with, right? :)Feb 25 07:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @ptaylor: after listening to @jonobacon yesterday, i think i will give quickly a try. :: woo!Feb 25 07:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Entidades d'usura ♺ @JNegocios: Seguradoras não vão cobrir a maioria dos prejuízos causados pela catástrofe na Madeira http://xl.pt/r/bqPTrzFeb 25 08:09
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @remin: GoDaddy store your passwords in clear-text and may try to #SSH to your VPS without permission http://htxt.it/x9rd #linux #ISPFeb 25 08:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Aplica-se cá? ♺ @bkuhn: OTOH, I do not think one person should be able to silence others on a whim. That would be autocracy, not community.Feb 25 08:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Hero principal fires poor performing teachers because they wont work $30/hr overtime to assist kids falling behind http://ur1.ca/ngsnFeb 25 08:17
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schestowitz"An In-Depth Look at Microsoft's Spy Guide http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/an_in-depth_look_at_microsofts_spy_guide.php And this?"Feb 25 08:47
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schestowitz"Microsoft Kills Watchdog Website Due to Leaked Documents http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/_improper_use_of_copyright.php Seen this yet?"Feb 25 08:47
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kentmahiFeb 25 09:00
schestowitzSome Windows zealot if trolling us.....  http://www.tmrepository.com/fudtracker/Feb 25 09:00
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kentmaactually, Roy, I'd say that site is attempting to mirrow what you do on BN.Feb 25 09:01
kentmamirror, I mean.Feb 25 09:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, Red CornerFeb 25 09:05
DaemonFCthat's the movie I couldn't remember the name of the other dayFeb 25 09:06
schestowitzkentma: I guess it only brings people from outside the 'choir' so to speak to info they don't receiveFeb 25 09:12
schestowitzSo that can't be badFeb 25 09:13
schestowitzHe's just tweeted about me, so that's how I noticedFeb 25 09:13
kentmaindeed.  It probably indicates that BN is having a substantial impact.Feb 25 09:16
tessier_http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=124338&tstart=0 Boo-frickin-hoo. You lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas.Feb 25 09:23
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schestowitztessier_: interesting threadFeb 25 09:29
schestowitzEllison spoke about Solaris a lot in the 1-hour webcast after the mergerFeb 25 09:30
schestowitzHe's not abandoning itFeb 25 09:30
schestowitzI watched the whole thing though and he says he's a Linus fanFeb 25 09:30
schestowitzhttp://www.mandriva.com/enterprise/en/company/press/mandriva-joins-arm-connected-communityFeb 25 09:35
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schestowitz:-DFeb 25 09:35
tessier_He may not abandon Solaris but he may (or may not) abandon OpenSolaris.Feb 25 09:43
schestowitzLondon.gov.uk moves to Linux and FOSS: http://buytaert.net/london-gov-uk-using-drupalFeb 25 09:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2010/02/worlds-funniest-computer-pictures.htmlFeb 25 09:56
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schestowitzhttp://shamhardy.com/2010/02/25/khesvin-patel-opinion-about-ubuntu-linux/Feb 25 09:58
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schestowitz"I hate Ubuntu. I immediately lose respect for anyone who runs it, and especially those who advocate it. Here why:"Feb 25 09:58
schestowitz"Feb 25 09:58
schestowitzName 20 features, release-for-release or year-for-year that have not come from Redhat. Redhat basically runs the show when it comes to Linux. This includes things like NetworkManager, Gnome, Xorg, GCC, glibc, LVM, KVM, kernel, file systems et al. Redhat has developers making significant contributions to the entire FOSS software stack upstream."Feb 25 09:58
oiaohmXorg intel and gcc some feature intelFeb 25 09:59
oiaohmAs well as redhat.Feb 25 09:59
oiaohmBut redhat upstream submits are a lot.Feb 25 10:00
schestowitzI've just been on the phone with familyFeb 25 10:03
schestowitzWIndows wireless diedFeb 25 10:03
schestowitzAfter an update apparently.... bad patchFeb 25 10:04
schestowitzNot worked for 5 daysFeb 25 10:04
schestowitzI gave a Mandriva Liev CD and it worked!Feb 25 10:04
schestowitzSo now it'll go on a partition (promotion)Feb 25 10:04
schestowitzAre Linux updates breaking hardware support as much?Feb 25 10:04
oiaohmDefine breaking.Feb 25 10:05
schestowitzX issues rarely happen anymore, unless there is an in-place upgradeFeb 25 10:05
schestowitzoiaohm: just not workignFeb 25 10:05
oiaohmYou are more likely to have network manager to really go nuts.Feb 25 10:05
oiaohmand old school network config still work perfectly.Feb 25 10:05
schestowitzAnyway, that's another victory for LinuxFeb 25 10:05
schestowitzStarted my day with a smile in a wayFeb 25 10:05
oiaohmIe old ifup and ifdown and interfaces file is 100 percent dependable.Feb 25 10:06
schestowitzIt's good that I spread live CDsFeb 25 10:06
oiaohmThe newer network manager soft is still a little touchy.Feb 25 10:06
schestowitzNetworkManager?Feb 25 10:06
oiaohmYepFeb 25 10:06
schestowitz0.8 has just been released IIRCFeb 25 10:06
schestowitzKDE has a sophistictaed network managerFeb 25 10:06
schestowitzIn fact TOO sophisticatedFeb 25 10:06
schestowitzIt had me struggle for like an hourFeb 25 10:07
oiaohmRedhat developed stuff.  Perfectly operational once its version 1.0 schestowitzFeb 25 10:07
oiaohmIe NetworkManager needs a few more version.Feb 25 10:07
schestowitzCause I didn't understand the GUI (multiple network options )and thought the problem was somewhere elseFeb 25 10:07
oiaohmNetwork manager of kde still need clean ups.Feb 25 10:07
schestowitzhttp://mencucu.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/disable-annoying-beep-on-mandriva-2010/Feb 25 10:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] snp alex salmond is just releasing the referendum questions for either enhanced Scottish devolution or complete independence.Feb 25 10:19
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/9605371672 "Spokeswoman says 'a few positions were eliminated' at Current TV today; no shows being cancelled #pcbuzz"Feb 25 10:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: Spokeswoman says 'a few po ... .::. Size~: 10.06 KBFeb 25 10:19
DaemonFChttp://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/24/nation/la-na-court-miranda26-2010feb25Feb 25 10:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Supreme Court sets aside strict ruling on Miranda 'right to remain silent' - Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 25.34 KBFeb 25 10:20
DaemonFCpolice can now badger you again thanks to the supreme courtFeb 25 10:20
DaemonFCyayFeb 25 10:20
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] snp alex salmond is just releasing the referendum questions for either enhanced Scottish devolution or complete independence.Feb 25 10:22
schestowitzThis article never mentions WIndows: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704140104575057490343183782.html?mod=WSJ_article_MoreIn#articleTabs%3DarticleFeb 25 10:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Panda Case Offers Inside Look at Underworld of Chinese Hacking - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 133.85 KBFeb 25 10:25
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Engadget has on hands video for #BloomEnergy Energy Server http://ur1.ca/nha7 #Gizmodo discusses internals http://ur1.ca/nha8Feb 25 10:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bloom 'Box' Energy Server hands-on (literally) with video! -- Engadget .::. Size~: 213.57 KBFeb 25 10:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Giz Explains: Fuel Cells and Bloom Energy's Miracle Box - bloom energy - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 73.46 KBFeb 25 10:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: they don't repsect it when it comes to TERROR~1Feb 25 10:29
schestowitzObama tried to defend those rights and the neocons used it against him, as though he's a sympathiser of QaedaFeb 25 10:30
schestowitz*AlFeb 25 10:30
schestowitzhttp://brokengovernment.ning.com/Feb 25 10:31
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schestowitzDaemonFOX: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/21/photographer-films-anti-terror-arrestFeb 25 10:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Photographer films his own 'anti-terror' arrest |UK news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 76.66 KBFeb 25 10:37
schestowitznew site: http://medfoss.apfelkraut.org/Feb 25 10:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Medical Free/Libre and Open Source Software .::. Size~: 58.04 KBFeb 25 10:41
DaemonFCheh, I could arrest someone committing a felonyFeb 25 10:46
DaemonFCcommunity support officer sounds like a jokeFeb 25 10:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: The Mink is Moving - please adjust your feeds: http://bit.ly/aVKuQMFeb 25 10:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Move In The Minkheim « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 19.64 KBFeb 25 10:48
schestowitzhttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/02/amazon-sells-gnulinux-down-river.html "@Kelly: I think there are legitimate reasons for not wanting to give your name when commenting, but you're right, too often people hide behind it to say things they wouldn't if they put their name to it."Feb 25 10:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: open...: Amazon Sells GNU/Linux down the River .::. Size~: 100.38 KBFeb 25 10:55
schestowitzCheck the commentsFeb 25 10:55
schestowitzAstroTurfing squad?Feb 25 10:55
DaemonFCyay, my copy of Madworld is here :)Feb 25 10:55
DaemonFCnow I get to kill things virtually :)Feb 25 10:56
DaemonFCwith tactile feedbackFeb 25 10:56
DaemonFCand motion sensingFeb 25 10:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @webmink: The Mink is Moving - please adjust your feeds: http://bit.ly/aVKuQMFeb 25 10:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Move In The Minkheim « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 19.63 KBFeb 25 10:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Am I being detained?" "No....you just can't leave"Feb 25 10:58
DaemonFCwell, at least police are about the same there I guessFeb 25 10:58
DaemonFCantisocial behaviorFeb 25 11:03
DaemonFClolFeb 25 11:03
DaemonFCthe police are psychiatrists now?Feb 25 11:04
schestowitzhttp://www.hackdiary.com/2010/02/10/algorithmic-recruitment-with-github/Feb 25 11:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Algorithmic recruitment with GitHub  ::  Hackdiary .::. Size~: 34.99 KBFeb 25 11:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, I saw thatFeb 25 11:04
schestowitzHere is a new example (no law broken but can't leave either): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXMoBTB5WEQFeb 25 11:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The Love Police Matrix Hacking Squad - Harrods .::. Size~: 120.51 KBFeb 25 11:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, Doesn't look to me like there are any high value "terror targets" thereFeb 25 11:05
DaemonFCsounds like government funded make workFeb 25 11:08
DaemonFCthe PCSO thingFeb 25 11:08
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DaemonFCNow they're saying 985 programmers 14 years and $1.4 billion USD to re-implement the Linux kernel from scratchFeb 25 11:16
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DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/linux_kernel_randd_estimate_u_of_oviendo/Feb 25 11:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux kernel R&D worth over 1bn euros • The Register .::. Size~: 23 KBFeb 25 11:16
DaemonFCthat's almost 20 RIAA lawsuits worth of cashFeb 25 11:17
DaemonFC:DFeb 25 11:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Many Happy Returns, Apache - http://bit.ly/b0bTWO a reminder of how much it has already done for free sw #apacheFeb 25 11:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Many Happy Returns, Apache - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 76.7 KBFeb 25 11:31
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=209589#post209589Feb 25 11:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Microsoft Releases Pirated Vista7 Killer. - ZomgStuff Forum .::. Size~: 55.44 KBFeb 25 11:35
schestowitz> "Summary: This is a screenshot showing how one of our readers (fromFeb 25 11:36
schestowitz> outside the UK) is seeing an article about a GNU/Linux product"Feb 25 11:36
schestowitz> Feb 25 11:36
schestowitz> Where is this screenshot that you are referring to ?Feb 25 11:36
schestowitz> Feb 25 11:36
schestowitz> http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/24/screenshot-msbbc/Feb 25 11:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MSBBC Advertises Microsoft in Its Rare GNU/Linux Articles | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.2 KBFeb 25 11:36
schestowitzGot adblock?Feb 25 11:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: Fester looks chuffedFeb 25 11:36
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't know why Ballmer amuses me soFeb 25 11:38
DaemonFChe just doesFeb 25 11:38
DaemonFChe just doesn't strike me as being unusually brightFeb 25 11:39
Diablo-D3microsoft advertises for microsoftFeb 25 11:39
Diablo-D3am I supposed to be surprised?Feb 25 11:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, Microsoft pays ad servers to pick up on pages with references to Linux and spew Windows crap all over your screenFeb 25 11:40
DaemonFCsimpleFeb 25 11:40
DaemonFCI made an exception in my adblock list for JamendoFeb 25 11:41
DaemonFCjust cause they share ad revenue with the artistsFeb 25 11:42
DaemonFCso if they make a few click pennies cause of me, yayFeb 25 11:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @celso: ROTFL. Fucking great RT @fightingmachine: Ooo-err, etc: http://www.fucking-windows.com. (via @armandoalves)Feb 25 11:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: I'm just sayin' .::. Size~: 2.25 KBFeb 25 11:44
zoobabrtsp://vod.europarl.europa.eu/nasvod02/cod1002/wm_pad/Channel12/VODChapter_20100223_09131000_11580000_Ch12.wmvFeb 25 11:48
zoobabACTA in the European Parliament yesterdayFeb 25 11:49
zoobabdoes someone knows how to dump thing?Feb 25 11:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I dislike the idea of Linux Foundation LOBBYING http://ur1.ca/nhpm they fight fire with fireFeb 25 11:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source Advocates Lobby Obama | Socialized Software .::. Size~: 55.5 KBFeb 25 11:53
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] My flipkart wishlist for next month http://www.flipkart.com/wishlist/sagarun #booksFeb 25 11:57
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schestowitzThe Reg is still Google hostile... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/google_android_china/Feb 25 11:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google snubs Chinese Android developers • The Register .::. Size~: 23.27 KBFeb 25 11:57
Diablo-D3I dont really see that as anti googleFeb 25 11:58
Diablo-D3thats exactly whats going onFeb 25 11:58
Diablo-D3china gets pissy that google said no about censorshipFeb 25 11:58
schestowitzzoobab: screen capture?Feb 25 11:58
Diablo-D3google cancels all further china projectsFeb 25 11:58
Diablo-D3google wins, china losesFeb 25 11:58
DaemonFChttp://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/24/oracle-doesnt-like-small-customers-aka-is-solaris-dead/Feb 25 11:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Oracle doesnt like small customers, aka. Is Solaris dead? «  Alphatek  Steven's Tech Blog .::. Size~: 9.87 KBFeb 25 11:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #DRBD now native in #Linux ♺ @glynmoody: What's new in Linux 2.6.33 - http://bit.ly/97oJ29Feb 25 11:59
DaemonFCSolaris is a cold corpseFeb 25 11:59
schestowitzDiablo-D3: not that....Feb 25 11:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What's new in Linux 2.6.33 - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.42 KBFeb 25 11:59
schestowitzThe Reg only ever covers bad Google newsFeb 25 11:59
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: imo this isnt bad newsFeb 25 11:59
Diablo-D3Google upheld their motto.Feb 25 11:59
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DaemonFCOracle is squandering all the good stuff they got from SunFeb 25 12:00
DaemonFChas anyone noticed?Feb 25 12:00
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/google_italy_youtube_court/Feb 25 12:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google execs protest Italian guilty verdicts • The Register .::. Size~: 22.73 KBFeb 25 12:01
schestowitzHmmmm... mkay..Feb 25 12:01
DaemonFCmakes me kind of have to ask if they're for real about BtrFSFeb 25 12:01
DaemonFCwatch them do some whacky plug-in shit like Hans Reiser was planning to make money onFeb 25 12:01
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/google_decc/Feb 25 12:01
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DaemonFCEdward Shishkin has released the entire plug-in model for Reiser4 iircFeb 25 12:02
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schestowitzGavin Clarke win-boosting... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/microsoft_multipoint_server/Feb 25 12:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft aims thin clients at the classroom • Channel Register .::. Size~: 19 KBFeb 25 12:04
DaemonFCUbuntu's use case mapper is proprietary, needs Google DocsFeb 25 12:05
DaemonFCbig surpriseFeb 25 12:05
Diablo-D3schestowitz: waitFeb 25 12:05
Diablo-D3microsoft aims for.... 30 year old unix technology?Feb 25 12:05
DaemonFCwell, they've been trying for that for at least 20 years already with NTFeb 25 12:06
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 12:06
MinceRwasn't that 35 year old VMS technology?Feb 25 12:07
DaemonFCMicrosoft's problem is that they make things that are good enough to work now and not all that expandableFeb 25 12:07
DaemonFCthen try to build onto them laterFeb 25 12:07
MinceRnot only thatFeb 25 12:07
MinceRthey take a good design and completely ruin it before implementingFeb 25 12:07
MinceRthen implement it badlyFeb 25 12:07
DaemonFCMinceR, The only thing in Windows NT that has never really collapsed under its own weight is the TCP/IP stackFeb 25 12:08
DaemonFCthey didn't write that :)Feb 25 12:08
MinceR(though they don't always start with good design)Feb 25 12:08
Diablo-D3I was thnking more like XFeb 25 12:08
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MinceRthey didn't implement that TCP/IP stack though :>Feb 25 12:08
Diablo-D3hurr.Feb 25 12:09
DaemonFCthey need a new file system, maybe FesterFS?Feb 25 12:09
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 12:09
MinceR:>Feb 25 12:09
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MinceRWinFS. :>Feb 25 12:09
DaemonFCWinFS isn't a file systemFeb 25 12:09
DaemonFCit's slow as fuckFeb 25 12:09
MinceRit was marketed as suchFeb 25 12:09
DaemonFCand it rides on top of NTFS :PFeb 25 12:09
MinceRwhich is pretty much in line with what m$ is doing anywayFeb 25 12:09
DaemonFCMinceR, I played with WinFS quite a lot actuallyFeb 25 12:10
MinceRget real, don't expect them to be able to develop a really new FS ever :>Feb 25 12:10
DaemonFCand it killed the file system performance way too much for the extra indexing services it provided to be worth havingFeb 25 12:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @greve With more judges like this, the web may soon be a very dull place: http://ur1.ca/ndilFeb 25 12:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Official Google Blog: Serious threat to the web in Italy .::. Size~: 83.04 KBFeb 25 12:11
DaemonFCI used WinFS on top of XP and "Longhorn XP Professional" Feb 25 12:11
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DaemonFCearly alphas of VistaFeb 25 12:11
DaemonFCbefore the "reset"Feb 25 12:11
DaemonFCI'm just amused that Windows 7 is "Blackcomb" that I was reading about before XP went out, 10 years agoFeb 25 12:12
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DaemonFCBlackcomb was supposed to be JesusOSFeb 25 12:13
Diablo-D3MinceR: its all largely bullshit anyhowFeb 25 12:13
DaemonFCvirusproofFeb 25 12:13
Diablo-D3if I wanted a thin client that thin, I'd build an arm box that just runs nxFeb 25 12:13
DaemonFCtotally impervious to system crashing bugs tooFeb 25 12:13
MinceRDiablo-D3: what are you referring to?Feb 25 12:13
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zoobabDiablo-D3: I want that tooFeb 25 12:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: nx.Feb 25 12:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: a x over network protocol that doesnt suckFeb 25 12:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: google <3s itFeb 25 12:17
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MinceRDiablo-D3: i know what nx is. what i don't know is why you're bringing thin clients up.Feb 25 12:17
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Diablo-D3[06:57:55] <schestowitz> Gavin Clarke win-boosting... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/microsoft_multipoint_server/Feb 25 12:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft aims thin clients at the classroom • Channel Register .::. Size~: 19 KBFeb 25 12:18
MinceRicFeb 25 12:18
tuxmaniaGood afternoon.Feb 25 12:18
Diablo-D3MinceR: ergo my 25 year old unix tech commentFeb 25 12:18
MinceRoh.Feb 25 12:18
MinceRi missed the connectionFeb 25 12:18
Diablo-D3X was the original mass scale thin client windowing techFeb 25 12:18
MinceRsince m$ tries to present ancient technology as new all the time :)Feb 25 12:19
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Diablo-D3man whats with identica bot Feb 25 12:19
*Diablo-D3 kicks itFeb 25 12:19
oiaohmStill equals lower income.Feb 25 12:19
MinceRi wonder if it would make sense to combine multiseat with thin clients in such an environmentFeb 25 12:20
Diablo-D3MinceR: well, you canFeb 25 12:20
tuxmaniaWe run thin clients in some classrooms. It sucks and we are thinking about moving away towards an open network instead where students themselves decide what they use on their computersFeb 25 12:20
Diablo-D3run the thin client display as a fbFeb 25 12:20
Diablo-D3tuxmania: wellFeb 25 12:20
MinceRtuxmania: they could run what they want on the server too, couldn't they?Feb 25 12:20
Diablo-D3web browsers are the new thin clientFeb 25 12:20
Diablo-D3so just make all your school shit run inside a web browserFeb 25 12:21
tuxmaniaMinceR, on windows???Feb 25 12:21
MinceRyes, and i wish web browsers were web browsersFeb 25 12:21
Diablo-D3so it absolutely 100% doesnt matter what they run in the endFeb 25 12:21
DaemonFCI have to wonder if some of the artists on Jamendo understand the license they useFeb 25 12:21
MinceRtuxmania: well, running windows is a bad place to start from :>Feb 25 12:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: who cares? ajax doesnt harm your experienceFeb 25 12:21
MinceRDiablo-D3: yes it doesFeb 25 12:21
tuxmaniaMy goal is a network thats 100% platform agnosticFeb 25 12:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: then dont use sites that use it.Feb 25 12:21
MinceRDiablo-D3: can'tFeb 25 12:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: then stop paying your isp.Feb 25 12:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: "New Ubuntu Podcast Launches" http://bit.ly/cfNKjoFeb 25 12:22
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MinceRthe best i can manage is use NoScript to block such bloat where i canFeb 25 12:22
DaemonFChttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/Feb 25 12:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Creative Commons &mdash;      Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported     .::. Size~: 18.77 KBFeb 25 12:22
Diablo-D3"bloat"Feb 25 12:22
DaemonFCdangerous because it allows for commercial exploitationFeb 25 12:22
MinceRbut often the site refuses to work without its scripts to do stuff that could well be done in static HTML and CSSFeb 25 12:22
DaemonFCseems to me like original BSD with advertising clauseFeb 25 12:22
Diablo-D3lolfail.Feb 25 12:22
DaemonFCwell, except you have to use same license on derivatives Feb 25 12:22
Diablo-D3I'd like to see you do IoC without javascriptFeb 25 12:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Google patent trial: "a pair of entrepreneurs with one failed business idea, almost no computer programming experience" http://i5.be/awTFeb 25 12:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Prior Art: Patent Litigation Weekly: Inside Google's first patent trial .::. Size~: 60.38 KBFeb 25 12:23
MinceRwtf IoC?Feb 25 12:23
DaemonFCI'd use the Non-Commercial version that RMS was pissed overFeb 25 12:23
DaemonFCfuck himFeb 25 12:23
Diablo-D3inversion of controlFeb 25 12:24
DaemonFCwhy should you let a company find your work on the internet and use it without paying you? :)Feb 25 12:24
Diablo-D3it has several ways of being applied, but in this case, I mean client side.Feb 25 12:24
MinceRDiablo-D3: web pages typically don't need that.Feb 25 12:24
Diablo-D3as in, the client runs "the program", and just fetches data from the server.Feb 25 12:24
Diablo-D3MinceR: but the term web page is meaninglessFeb 25 12:24
Diablo-D3gmail, for example, is not a web page.Feb 25 12:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A "disturbing" number of the lawsuits come from companies controlled by patent lawyers, sometimes asserting the lawyers' own "inventions"Feb 25 12:25
tuxmaniaDaemonFC: i would shoot myself if i found my art in some bland detergent ad or something, going world wideFeb 25 12:25
Diablo-D3its a webapp that uses some client side IoC techniquesFeb 25 12:25
MinceRmy point is: all too often websites present hypertext information in a form where they force you to use it as if it was a web applicationFeb 25 12:25
DaemonFCtuxmania, My point exactlyFeb 25 12:25
Diablo-D3tuxmania: you would shoot yourself if you woke up and realized you're DaemonFC too.Feb 25 12:25
tuxmaniaheheFeb 25 12:25
Diablo-D3MinceR: you dont really have much of a point.Feb 25 12:25
MinceRDiablo-D3: neither do youFeb 25 12:25
Diablo-D3MinceR: the only argument thats really acceptable here is hating sites that use flashFeb 25 12:25
MinceRDiablo-D3: no, that's only one of the arguments that are acceptable here.Feb 25 12:26
tuxmaniaAnd silverdarknessFeb 25 12:26
MinceRDiablo-D3: btw, there's also SilverLieFeb 25 12:26
tuxmaniai hate, with a passion, anything dotnetFeb 25 12:26
Diablo-D3silverlight is just flash--.Feb 25 12:26
Diablo-D3its the same shit from a different vendorFeb 25 12:26
DaemonFCtuxmania, I'd be pissed if some big company was using something I put out there to make money with, and I wasn't getting anyFeb 25 12:26
DaemonFCtotally different from some random person copying it for their own useFeb 25 12:26
Diablo-D3anything they can do, I can do with html5 faster, lighter, and better integrated into the browsing experienceFeb 25 12:26
MinceRDaemonFC: then FLOSS isn't for youFeb 25 12:26
tuxmaniaOn my servers, the only thing crapping out is Novells mono crap adn dotnet on the winddows boxesFeb 25 12:27
DaemonFCMinceR, music isn't softwareFeb 25 12:27
Diablo-D3seriouslyFeb 25 12:27
Diablo-D3async javascript? html5Feb 25 12:27
Diablo-D3video? html5Feb 25 12:27
Diablo-D3vector graphics? svgFeb 25 12:27
MinceRDaemonFC: i didn't know you were talking about music :>Feb 25 12:27
Diablo-D3input for, say, games? javascriptFeb 25 12:27
DaemonFCTell me what that company is going to give me that isn't money in return for using the music I've theoretically made the mistake of using the attribution share alike license onFeb 25 12:27
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 12:27
Diablo-D3animation and logic and other dynamic shit? javascriptFeb 25 12:28
Diablo-D3anything they can do, I can do better.Feb 25 12:28
MinceRDaemonFC: point.Feb 25 12:28
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm arguing that BSD licenses aren't always appropriate for art and musicFeb 25 12:28
DaemonFCRMS says they are :)Feb 25 12:28
MinceRicFeb 25 12:28
Diablo-D3http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2010/02/patent-litigation-weekly-inside-googles-first-patent-trial.htmlFeb 25 12:29
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Diablo-D3holyFeb 25 12:29
Diablo-D3shitFeb 25 12:29
Diablo-D3this is epicFeb 25 12:29
Diablo-D3Im usually not a google fanboyFeb 25 12:29
Diablo-D3but I totally salute google hereFeb 25 12:29
tuxmaniaWell, Xerox just launched an assault with patents on search related stuffFeb 25 12:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA discussed in INTA committee (Wed 24 Feb 2010) [1/4]: http://i5.be/awUFeb 25 12:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- ACTA discussed in INTA committee (Wed 24 Feb 2010) [1/4] .::. Size~: 87.52 KBFeb 25 12:30
DaemonFCMinceR, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/us/Feb 25 12:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Creative Commons &mdash;      Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States     .::. Size~: 18.4 KBFeb 25 12:30
tuxmaniaSoftware patents are the stupidest thing ever instituted.Feb 25 12:30
DaemonFCthat's the license I favorFeb 25 12:30
Diablo-D3wellFeb 25 12:30
Diablo-D3they never were institutedFeb 25 12:30
Diablo-D3they're illegal under US patent lawFeb 25 12:31
DaemonFCgives people that aren't seeking to profiteer the right to modify, redistribute, and useFeb 25 12:31
Diablo-D3the only thing going on here is the USPTO fucked up and didn't realize this until it was far too lateFeb 25 12:31
DaemonFCbut it doesn't let people or companies profiteer off your workFeb 25 12:31
Diablo-D3and has spent the last however many years covering up their mistakeFeb 25 12:31
tuxmaniaDiablo-D3: well, the politicians sure seems to love them for all they canFeb 25 12:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA discussed in INTA committee (Wed 24 Feb 2010) [2/4]: http://i5.be/awVFeb 25 12:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA discussed in INTA committee (Wed 24 Feb 2010) [3/4]: http://i5.be/awWFeb 25 12:32
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DaemonFCbut if a non-profit was using it to help in a charity drive, that would be OK I think :)Feb 25 12:32
Diablo-D3tuxmania: of courseFeb 25 12:32
Diablo-D3they get to steal money from people using itFeb 25 12:32
DaemonFCbut if Verizon finds some stock photos I took, they cannot use themFeb 25 12:32
Diablo-D3its yet another stupid taxFeb 25 12:32
Diablo-D3I'd never file for a patent like that because I know the other shoes going to drop in the next decadeFeb 25 12:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA discussed in INTA committee (Wed 24 Feb 2010) [4/4]: http://i5.be/awXFeb 25 12:33
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DaemonFCIf I developed some software, I'd probably release the patents into the public domain and enforce my ownership of my software with copyright and trademarkFeb 25 12:33
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Diablo-D3besidesFeb 25 12:33
Diablo-D3_having_ patents just means you'll be sued pre-emptivelyFeb 25 12:34
DaemonFCI think that ownership of software should only go that far, the individual implementationFeb 25 12:34
DaemonFCnot the idea behind itFeb 25 12:34
DaemonFCcopyright already covers source code, trademark covers logos and namesFeb 25 12:35
DaemonFCWindows could be just as proprietary without the patentsFeb 25 12:36
DaemonFCpatents just let them sue people for using separate implementations of thingsFeb 25 12:36
DaemonFCwhich is totalyl wrongFeb 25 12:36
MinceRpatents let them sue people for using the same basic ideas :>Feb 25 12:36
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes and noFeb 25 12:36
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MinceRafaik it's completely out of line with non-software non-business-model patentsFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3you have to be very careful who you sueFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3if you sue someone whos as big or bigger than youFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3you loseFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3if you sue someone who has no moneyFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3you loseFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3if you use someone who has patents you're violatingFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3you loseFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3er, sueFeb 25 12:37
Diablo-D3software patents are largely defensiveFeb 25 12:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA discussed in the Netherlands: http://i5.be/awYFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3its _extremely_ hard to go to war using a patent warchestFeb 25 12:38
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MinceRso they just spread FUD insteadFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3noFeb 25 12:38
MinceRm$ and crApple do that all the timeFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3you need an absolute fuckload to win an exchangeFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3microsoft and apple have an absolute fuckloadFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3there are very very very very few entities that could manage to take on big names and winFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3its extremely difficultFeb 25 12:38
Diablo-D3and you notice, btw, even though they can, they rarely doFeb 25 12:39
Diablo-D3they spend inordinately more time defending themselves against idiots than anything elseFeb 25 12:39
tuxmaniathe worst problem is that patents doing activity X "but on the internet" gets granted all the timeFeb 25 12:40
MinceRyet they support the systemFeb 25 12:40
MinceRso they obviously believe it's worth itFeb 25 12:40
tuxmaniaMinceR: i think the campaign contributions believe its worth it, not their own thinkingFeb 25 12:41
Diablo-D3tuxmania: btw yes and noFeb 25 12:41
MinceRi mean m$ and crApple support sw patentsFeb 25 12:41
Diablo-D3tuxmania: x + y, where y is very simple, is allowed for new patentsFeb 25 12:41
DaemonFCthen where did i4i come into play?Feb 25 12:41
Diablo-D3tuxmania: but x, in this case, was invalid to begin withFeb 25 12:41
Diablo-D3adding y doesn't suddenly make it betterFeb 25 12:42
MinceRfor example back when it was about to be decide here in the EU whether or not to allow sw patents, B$A was campaigning for themFeb 25 12:42
MinceRand you know who's behing b$aFeb 25 12:42
tuxmaniao yesFeb 25 12:42
MinceR(now Jesusland is trying to force it on us via the ACTA instead, which is being discussed secretly)Feb 25 12:42
tuxmaniawell, isnt democracy wonderful?Feb 25 12:43
DaemonFCMinceR, Between Atheists and Catholics alone....Feb 25 12:43
MinceRit is, but this isn't democracyFeb 25 12:43
tuxmanianope, never wasFeb 25 12:43
DaemonFCI'm sure there's not many people here that take religion seriouslyFeb 25 12:43
MinceRDaemonFC: yet your politicians have to fake being devout christians if they want to succeed.Feb 25 12:44
DaemonFCCatholic suicide bombers would be like "You go first! No, YOU go first. Well how do I know you'll go? Just trust me!"Feb 25 12:44
MinceRDaemonFC: and yet it is only in the USA that teaching creationism beside evolution in schools is considered.Feb 25 12:44
DaemonFCit's not doneFeb 25 12:45
DaemonFCand besides, that was KansasFeb 25 12:45
DaemonFC:)Feb 25 12:45
tuxmaniaXDFeb 25 12:45
MinceRthat's part of JesuslandFeb 25 12:45
DaemonFCuhhm, if you mean that region of the USFeb 25 12:46
DaemonFCthen yes, I agreeFeb 25 12:46
MinceRno, i mean the usaFeb 25 12:47
DaemonFCI've never heard of creationism being seriously considered in Indiana for inclusion in public schoolsFeb 25 12:47
DaemonFCmaybe if this was 1950 or somethingFeb 25 12:47
zoobabBSA is still campaining for it, through the UPLS:Feb 25 12:49
zoobabhttp://eurolinux.org/?q=node/16Feb 25 12:50
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DaemonFCit might have escaped notice that those states are the poorest, least educated, and a joke among the restFeb 25 12:50
DaemonFCjust to point that outFeb 25 12:50
DaemonFCcause it's important to take into considerationFeb 25 12:50
MinceRthen there's all that christian speech in official state businessFeb 25 12:51
DaemonFCMinceR, It's what happens when you let the retards in Arkansas have representatives :)Feb 25 12:52
DaemonFCAlabama evenFeb 25 12:52
DaemonFCUtah (Mormonland)Feb 25 12:53
MinceRi thought dubya's people came from texasFeb 25 12:53
DaemonFCuhhhm, yeah, that's kind of like all the rest of them put togetherFeb 25 12:54
DaemonFCMinceR, I've always supported giving Texas back to the MexicansFeb 25 12:54
DaemonFCyou know, like a trojan horse?Feb 25 12:54
tuxmaniahehFeb 25 12:55
MinceR:>Feb 25 12:55
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't think any state but Texas has managed to get a UN human rights inspection of their death rowFeb 25 12:56
DaemonFCso there you goFeb 25 12:56
DaemonFCI'm all for the death penalty in Texas, cause it means there will will be less TexansFeb 25 12:56
MinceR:>Feb 25 12:56
DaemonFCMinceR, I recall an SNL skit from back when Bush was the governor of TexasFeb 25 12:58
DaemonFC"Born again? Fry her twice!!!"Feb 25 12:58
DaemonFC:DFeb 25 12:58
MinceRlolFeb 25 12:58
kentmaroy - server is up, btwFeb 25 12:58
DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/George_Dubya_BushFeb 25 13:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: George Dubya Bush - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 129.94 KBFeb 25 13:04
DaemonFC"George “Generalissimus Maximus” “The Decider” Bush (born July 6, 1946) was the final president of the Totalitarian American Empire (its successor is the United Liberal Abortionist Republic of Change and Hope)."Feb 25 13:05
DaemonFCthere you goFeb 25 13:05
MinceR:DFeb 25 13:06
DaemonFCahhhh "He forgot Poland!"Feb 25 13:07
DaemonFCbest quote EVERFeb 25 13:07
DaemonFCI was actually watching TV when he said that and spit out my drinkFeb 25 13:08
DaemonFCI don't know how journalists hold it in when things like that happenFeb 25 13:09
DaemonFCI'd be over there on the floor suffocating, in front of the presidentFeb 25 13:10
MinceRperhaps they send believersFeb 25 13:10
DaemonFC"ACK! Hghk chahk *cough* kha!"Feb 25 13:11
DaemonFC    ~ George W. Bush on pretzels Feb 25 13:11
DaemonFCnice!Feb 25 13:11
cubezzzthat was funnyFeb 25 13:11
DaemonFCa pretzel almost gave us "President Dick Cheney"Feb 25 13:12
cubezzzhe couldn't eat a pretzel correctlyFeb 25 13:12
DaemonFCa FUCKING pretzel almost gave us "President Dick Cheney"Feb 25 13:12
MinceRhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dickavis_and_bushead.jpgFeb 25 13:12
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DaemonFChttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/c/c1/WMDSearchsm2.jpgFeb 25 13:13
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cubezzzhahahahaFeb 25 13:13
DaemonFChttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/d/de/DFM.jpgFeb 25 13:13
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cubezzzcoins negative 9 billion :)Feb 25 13:14
DaemonFCcubezzz, I say we should deport conservatives to IraqFeb 25 13:14
DaemonFCtell them to think of it as being reunited with their tax moneyFeb 25 13:14
cubezzzthe world is crazyFeb 25 13:15
cubezzzI always thought the president was supposed to be a smart guyFeb 25 13:15
DaemonFChttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/9/9e/Obama-wrote-crayon.jpgFeb 25 13:16
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Diablo-D3[08:09:05] <cubezzz> I always thought the president was supposed to be a smart guyFeb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHFeb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHFeb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHaHFeb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3oh wow.Feb 25 13:17
DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HungaryFeb 25 13:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hungary - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 57.76 KBFeb 25 13:17
MinceRsmart guys can usually do more productive things with their life, as opposed to a career in politics.Feb 25 13:17
DaemonFCThere's one for MinceR Feb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3yesFeb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3like becoming richFeb 25 13:17
Diablo-D3and then just buying politicians to get things doneFeb 25 13:18
MinceRa career in politics can lead to becoming rich, but there are more fun and useful ways to do it :>Feb 25 13:18
DaemonFCFamous Hungarians......Feb 25 13:19
DaemonFC"Bill Gates"Feb 25 13:19
DaemonFCniceFeb 25 13:19
cubezzzlike Gates, yesFeb 25 13:19
cubezzzor RockefellerFeb 25 13:19
Diablo-D3yeahFeb 25 13:20
Diablo-D3gates got rich THEN manipulated to get richerFeb 25 13:20
DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/HungarianFeb 25 13:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hungarian language - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 27.56 KBFeb 25 13:20
Diablo-D3rockefeller just _bypassed_ the entire legal systemFeb 25 13:20
Diablo-D3I mean, it went beyond just manipulationFeb 25 13:20
MinceRthat article paints an extremely optimistic picture of this parody of a country :>Feb 25 13:20
Diablo-D3that was dark arts voodoo shitFeb 25 13:20
cubezzzStandard Oil was broken up thoughFeb 25 13:20
cubezzzso such luck with Microsoft so farFeb 25 13:21
cubezzzone wonders how many more years the OEMs will be under Microsoft's controlFeb 25 13:22
Diablo-D3they arent reallyFeb 25 13:22
Diablo-D3the OEMs just want to sell computersFeb 25 13:23
Diablo-D3soon as windows doesnt sell, microsoft no longer has customersFeb 25 13:23
Diablo-D3this whole LOL MICROSOFT TAX shit is kind of dumbFeb 25 13:23
MinceRand being forced to sell them only with winblows helps them to sell computers how?Feb 25 13:23
Diablo-D3MinceR: they arentFeb 25 13:23
MinceRDiablo-D3: so you haven't heard of their modus operand?Feb 25 13:23
MinceRs/\?/i?/Feb 25 13:23
cubezzzDiablo-D3, it's not. It's an automatic tax just aboutFeb 25 13:23
Diablo-D3<dell> uh, yeah, hey bill? we're selling computers with linux on them. dude, dude, calm down, yelling on the phone is just going to give you a heart attackFeb 25 13:23
cubezzzno one is selling blank computersFeb 25 13:24
MinceRthreatening OEMs with higher licensing prices if they dare ship other OSes?Feb 25 13:24
MinceRthat tooFeb 25 13:24
Diablo-D3MinceR: that just means computers with windows on them sell for more than those with linux on themFeb 25 13:24
Diablo-D3as the OEMs dont pay for thatFeb 25 13:24
Diablo-D3the end user does.Feb 25 13:24
MinceRanyone mentioning dell should look up how many machines dell offers with linuxFeb 25 13:24
Diablo-D3so microsoft is threatening the wrong personFeb 25 13:24
MinceRand get a fucking clueFeb 25 13:24
cubezzzI know, I knowFeb 25 13:25
MinceRalso, read up on internal m$ discussion about "whacking" dellFeb 25 13:25
cubezzzI researched itFeb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3alsoFeb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3to be fairFeb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3who the fuck buys a computer anymoreFeb 25 13:25
MinceRi doFeb 25 13:25
cubezzzeverybody :)Feb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3well stop being a faggot, MinceR Feb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3go build your next oneFeb 25 13:25
MinceRDiablo-D3: go build a laptop?Feb 25 13:25
MinceRinteresting ideaFeb 25 13:25
cubezzzpeople want laptops, yeahFeb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3MinceR: Ive done that before.Feb 25 13:25
MinceRi thought my ThinkPad W700 was heavy, but your plan can definitely top thatFeb 25 13:25
Diablo-D3you can buy barebones ones that have only the case/lid/whatever and the mobo installedFeb 25 13:26
cubezzzAcer sold a few models with Linux, not just one, so the OEM stranglehold isn't 100% but it's close to thatFeb 25 13:26
Diablo-D3they're blank, since they have no storage or memory or anything elseFeb 25 13:26
MinceRperhaps if i order them from abroad and get no warranty (and possibly our Post steals the whole package), i can get a barebones laptopFeb 25 13:26
MinceRbut it's unlikelyFeb 25 13:26
cubezzzor just get the OEMs to sell laptops with no hard driveFeb 25 13:26
cubezzzsimple enoughFeb 25 13:26
Diablo-D3MinceR: why do you even put up with your Pot?Feb 25 13:26
Diablo-D3er, PostFeb 25 13:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watch people getting delirious at the sight of celebs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHF9DmCsuTc Priceless.Feb 25 13:27
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MinceRDiablo-D3: most people here probably don't know how shitty it isFeb 25 13:27
Diablo-D3so burn the place downFeb 25 13:27
Diablo-D3thats how you deal with corrupt assholesFeb 25 13:27
Diablo-D3they're criminals anyhowFeb 25 13:27
Diablo-D3whats a few less?Feb 25 13:27
MinceRtoo many places to burn down, too few military forces to protect me while doing soFeb 25 13:27
MinceRi'd be glad to kill criminal assholes all over the planet if i could, but i can'tFeb 25 13:27
cubezzz"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1911 that antitrust law required Standard Oil to be broken into smaller, independent companies. Among the "baby Standards" that still exist are ExxonMobil and Chevron. If not for that court ruling, Standard Oil would be worth more than $1 trillion today."Feb 25 13:29
cubezzz41 years to breakupFeb 25 13:30
MinceRback then antitrust laws were actually enforcedFeb 25 13:31
cubezzzMicrosoft is 35 years oldFeb 25 13:31
cubezzzthe thing I don't understand is they broke up AT&T but they didn't break up MicrosoftFeb 25 13:33
cubezzzsomehow they managed to avoid itFeb 25 13:33
MinceRyeah, $omehowFeb 25 13:34
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68Mb1oZZ1iEFeb 25 13:34
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schestowitzkentma: ta!!Feb 25 13:34
MinceRi thought the swine flu was gone alreadyFeb 25 13:35
DaemonFComgFeb 25 13:35
DaemonFCFedora is hostign Delta ISOs on The Pirate BayFeb 25 13:36
DaemonFCepicFeb 25 13:36
cubezzzthat's what torrents are for :)Feb 25 13:36
DaemonFChttp://thepiratebay.org/user/andre14965/Feb 25 13:37
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MinceRand who's this andre14965?Feb 25 13:37
DaemonFChttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_13_Alpha_RC3_Install#What_To_TestFeb 25 13:38
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DaemonFCclick "downloading delta ISO images"Feb 25 13:38
MinceRicFeb 25 13:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA video of the European Parliament's discussion yesterday in INTA (Microsoft WMV video format on an EU website!!!): http://i5.be/aw0Feb 25 13:39
DaemonFCI'd just think that Red Hat legal dept would shit themselves over thatFeb 25 13:39
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schestowitzzoobab: got off versions?Feb 25 13:41
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 25 13:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The dutch ACTA leak translated in english: http://i5.be/aw1Feb 25 13:44
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schestowitzzoobab: thanks for the videos, I'm watching them now. Any ogg?Feb 25 13:47
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schestowitzzoobab: if you can put ogg versions in the ffii webspace, then I can embed as <Video>Feb 25 13:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu does not respond, python eating all the server memory?Feb 25 13:59
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oiaohmhttp://www.blendernation.com/robothespian/  This is differentFeb 25 14:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA video of the European Parliament's discussion yesterday in INTA (In an open format OGG): http://i5.be/aw2Feb 25 14:12
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cubezzzah, now I feel betterFeb 25 14:16
cubezzzmy blood sugar level was too lowFeb 25 14:16
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schestowitzzoobab: I'll post as FlashFeb 25 14:40
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pawel_111http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/microsoft-cryptome/Feb 25 14:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: ACTA video of the European Parliament's discussion yesterday in INTA (In an open format OGG): http://i5.be/aw2Feb 25 14:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] E começa com o Vital Moreira a falar...Feb 25 14:47
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schestowitzpawel_111: yes, I heardFeb 25 14:48
schestowitzIt's no longer too exclusive an itemFeb 25 14:48
schestowitzBut I'll write about it laterFeb 25 14:48
cubezzzjust other reason not to use Microsoft anythingFeb 25 14:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: #ACTA Lies and Secrecy Exposed in the EU http://ur1.ca/ni7i thanks, @zoobab !! #corruption #cartel #whitecollarcrimeFeb 25 14:53
cubezzzdon't rely on these web based thingsFeb 25 14:53
schestowitzI knowFeb 25 14:54
schestowitzthis fits well w/ the newsFeb 25 14:54
schestowitzMicrosoft using lobbyists to attack Google over "privacy"Feb 25 14:54
schestowitzHeh.Feb 25 14:54
pawel_111schestowitz: ok, I was afkFeb 25 15:00
cubezzztrusting closed source is ridiculous anywaysFeb 25 15:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Intro to Python starting now! Fire up Lernid (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid) or join #ubuntu-classrom and #ubuntu-classroom-chatFeb 25 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The session "Intro to Python for Total Beginners" has started. #ubuntuFeb 25 15:12
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FurnaceBoycubezzz: right, the strangehold is not quite 100%, but the thing is, MS doesn't tolerate less than absolute control. they don't see why ANYONE should escape their bootFeb 25 15:18
FurnaceBoystranglehold*Feb 25 15:18
FurnaceBoycubezzz: this absolutism is probably an outgrowth of Gates' personal psychosesFeb 25 15:19
FurnaceBoycubezzz: imagine a mafia townFeb 25 15:19
FurnaceBoycubezzz: 18 stores pay protection, two don'tFeb 25 15:20
FurnaceBoycubezzz: you think Microsoft^W the mafia have any reason to tolerate that?Feb 25 15:20
cubezzzThere is no absolutism :)Feb 25 15:20
FurnaceBoyof course not. they obsess about the two and will attack them until they payFeb 25 15:20
FurnaceBoycubezzz: of course, absolutism is insane. but that's how Gates and Microsoft operateFeb 25 15:20
FurnaceBoyyou see? the mafia is an accurate guide to Microsoft operationsFeb 25 15:21
FurnaceBoythere's no real difference except scaleFeb 25 15:21
FurnaceBoythe mafia knows that to survive, they have to corrupt and infiltrate institutionsFeb 25 15:21
FurnaceBoyso does microsoftFeb 25 15:21
FurnaceBoybecause obviously their whole modus operandum is outside the lawFeb 25 15:21
FurnaceBoyso the law is Microsoft+Gates' natural enemyFeb 25 15:22
FurnaceBoyyou have to neutralise itFeb 25 15:22
FurnaceBoywhich, for now, they have succeeded in doing.Feb 25 15:22
cubezzzthe EU fine was actually 1.4 BillionFeb 25 15:23
cubezzzor more, if you add all the fines togetherFeb 25 15:23
cubezzzI like to think about the pre-windows eraFeb 25 15:23
cubezzzit wasn't an overnight takeoverFeb 25 15:24
cubezzzit was more like creeping death :)Feb 25 15:24
cubezzznow we have creeping lifeFeb 25 15:25
cubezzza slow improvement over timeFeb 25 15:25
cubezzzit's not like Microsoft has just started with their media horsebleepFeb 25 15:25
FurnaceBoythey're ramping it upFeb 25 15:26
FurnaceBoythey're getting more desperate because the writing is on the wallFeb 25 15:26
FurnaceBoylikewise, their opposition has to keep the pressure onFeb 25 15:26
FurnaceBoyit's a warFeb 25 15:26
FurnaceBoybecause they are a totalitarian organisation, they cannot co-existFeb 25 15:27
FurnaceBoywith ordinary competitionFeb 25 15:27
cubezzzthey'll exist in a reduced formFeb 25 15:27
FurnaceBoyperhapsFeb 25 15:27
FurnaceBoythat depends Feb 25 15:27
cubezzzcollege kids, a lot of them anyway, they know about things to a greater degree than I did at their ageFeb 25 15:28
cubezzzat least they _should_ with all the information flying aroundFeb 25 15:28
FurnaceBoyoh, everybody "should"..Feb 25 15:28
FurnaceBoyi think this OEM issue shoudl really be the main focusFeb 25 15:28
cubezzzand they should pick up GNU/Linux faster than I did as it gets easier and easier to useFeb 25 15:28
FurnaceBoyMS is out of antitrust court for nowFeb 25 15:29
FurnaceBoysomebody should launch a massive challenge to the MS tax -- a class action might be warranted soonFeb 25 15:29
FurnaceBoythat has to disappearFeb 25 15:29
cubezzzI should also point out there was nothing like boycottnovell years agoFeb 25 15:29
FurnaceBoygroklaw has been around for a while nowFeb 25 15:29
cubezzzno one was challenging the orthodoxy with the same degree of energyFeb 25 15:29
FurnaceBoyrightFeb 25 15:29
FurnaceBoybut... we need bigger guns. who's going to shut off the OEM faucet?Feb 25 15:30
cubezzzthe 90's was the rise of doze Feb 25 15:30
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 25 15:30
FurnaceBoythey thrived on excess and wasteFeb 25 15:30
FurnaceBoythose days are overFeb 25 15:30
FurnaceBoythe world can't afford that crapFeb 25 15:30
cubezzzwell, people like you and me I guess :)Feb 25 15:30
cubezzzeveryone has some influenceFeb 25 15:30
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it looks to me like the OEM issue has to be shut down by courtsFeb 25 15:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it has the marks of a good class actionFeb 25 15:31
FurnaceBoycubezzz: the class of harmed people is HUGE, almost everyone who ever bought a pcFeb 25 15:31
FurnaceBoythat said, i'm not a lawyer...Feb 25 15:31
FurnaceBoyi just can't imagine anything smaller doing muchFeb 25 15:31
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cubezzzmake all the contracts public, some good Samaritan will do it :)Feb 25 15:31
cubezzza leak here, a leak there Feb 25 15:32
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 25 15:32
FurnaceBoywikileaksFeb 25 15:32
FurnaceBoywhistleblowersFeb 25 15:32
FurnaceBoythat's about the only way cracks form in criminal orgs like MS, Bush admin, etcFeb 25 15:32
cubezzzTVO does a bunch of that tooFeb 25 15:32
cubezzzstuff you never see on American TVFeb 25 15:32
FurnaceBoythat's why the mafia likes to do a lot of stuff by word of mouth. microsoft same. threats, soft bribesFeb 25 15:33
FurnaceBoyit's weird how they keep leaving paper trailsFeb 25 15:33
FurnaceBoyComesFeb 25 15:33
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cubezzzthere's always going to be crime Feb 25 15:34
FurnaceBoyit must really burn them that groklaw is archiving Comes. that must never disappearFeb 25 15:34
cubezzzand drugs and stuff like that Feb 25 15:34
cubezzzI think BN has that tooFeb 25 15:34
FurnaceBoyBN can't disappear either :)Feb 25 15:35
cubezzzjust stick the whole works in a big tar.gz and put it on the netFeb 25 15:35
FurnaceBoyyes, GL should be doing thatFeb 25 15:35
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cubezzzsee, in the 90's I didn't feel anything about Microsoft that was well-definedFeb 25 15:36
wispygalaxyhappy thursday!Feb 25 15:36
cubezzzit was more like a vague resentmentFeb 25 15:36
wispygalaxyhi cubezzzFeb 25 15:36
cubezzzhello wispygalaxy :)Feb 25 15:36
wispygalaxyclasses are canceled for today!Feb 25 15:36
wispygalaxyits snowingFeb 25 15:37
wispygalaxythe bad thing was that i walked all the way to class only to see that it was canceledFeb 25 15:37
cubezzzmy assignment never ends :)Feb 25 15:37
wispygalaxyhow's work? ;)Feb 25 15:37
cubezzzit's about 50 research and 50 boringFeb 25 15:38
cubezzz%Feb 25 15:38
wispygalaxyis it in the computer fieldFeb 25 15:38
cubezzzmostly yesFeb 25 15:39
wispygalaxydo you know where roy's at?Feb 25 15:40
cubezzzhe was here just a while agoFeb 25 15:40
wispygalaxyok thxFeb 25 15:40
wispygalaxyhe wasnt here when i came here last timeFeb 25 15:40
FurnaceBoycubezzz: in the 90s there was no strong Linux or strong Apple. Microsfot ramps up the violence in proportion to the threat.Feb 25 15:41
wispygalaxyhi FBFeb 25 15:41
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: olaFeb 25 15:41
cubezzzit was a bad timeFeb 25 15:41
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: little bit of snow here too. maybe an inch yesterday, inch today...Feb 25 15:41
wispygalaxyare we talking about the good old days of MS?Feb 25 15:41
cubezzzeven the 80s were betterFeb 25 15:41
wispygalaxyeven the fashion? :PFeb 25 15:41
cubezzzthere were no good old days :)Feb 25 15:41
FurnaceBoyughFeb 25 15:41
*FurnaceBoy is not a fan of the '80sFeb 25 15:41
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yesFeb 25 15:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Watching: Eben Moglen - Patents at a Crossroads: Bilski and Beyond http://i5.be/aw5Feb 25 15:42
cubezzzyou know I'm an 80s dude still :)Feb 25 15:42
wispygalaxymy sisters are currently obsessed with 80s fashion... theyll grow out of itFeb 25 15:42
wispygalaxyhahaFeb 25 15:42
Diablo-D3http://rickrolldb.com/Feb 25 15:42
FurnaceBoyin the 80s I was foaming at the mouth over Reagan, Thatcher, and the cold war was like a wet blanket over everythingFeb 25 15:42
cubezzz80's had AmigaFeb 25 15:42
FurnaceBoyabout the only thing great that I can think of from that decade was Neville Brody ;-)Feb 25 15:42
FurnaceBoywell, and the MacFeb 25 15:43
wispygalaxywere computers back then easier to hack?Feb 25 15:43
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: dependsFeb 25 15:43
cubezzzthey were easier to programFeb 25 15:43
cubezzzno hidden stuff back thenFeb 25 15:43
FurnaceBoyeverything was much simpler.Feb 25 15:43
wispygalaxyi thought because there were less parts involvedFeb 25 15:43
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: yesFeb 25 15:43
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: that's very trueFeb 25 15:43
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: you could learn every subsystem on a microFeb 25 15:43
cubezzzless people program for fun now I thinkFeb 25 15:44
wispygalaxyi heard that inside cars, there's a lot of software... it makes it harder for mechanics to workFeb 25 15:44
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: the code of your program could fill ram. Feb 25 15:44
wispygalaxynow coding is job for many peopleFeb 25 15:44
cubezzzlol, yeah like on Vic-20? :)Feb 25 15:44
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yeah nobody has time to play :|Feb 25 15:44
wispygalaxybut FOSS still is fun for many codersFeb 25 15:44
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: yes it isFeb 25 15:44
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: i unwind from 'work' by hacking on F/OSSFeb 25 15:44
cubezzzthe learning curve is steeper nowFeb 25 15:45
wispygalaxythat's good- unwinding and volunteering at the same time :)Feb 25 15:45
wispygalaxyyes, there are fancier languages now, makes learning more complicatedFeb 25 15:45
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: yeah /. had a story on car computer use this week. 70-100 microprocessors, 100 million LOC in a luxury carFeb 25 15:45
schestowitzHey, wispygalaxyFeb 25 15:45
wispygalaxyhi roy!Feb 25 15:45
wispygalaxyjust saw you on COLAFeb 25 15:45
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: I sorta distrust those numbers. I wonder what's in a basic car. Feb 25 15:45
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yeah it isFeb 25 15:45
FurnaceBoycubezzz: on the other hand, we have higher abstractionsFeb 25 15:45
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FurnaceBoyOmar87: olaFeb 25 15:46
wispygalaxyhave you ever worked on a car?Feb 25 15:46
Omar87FurnaceBoy, oh, hi!Feb 25 15:46
cubezzzI stopped using carsFeb 25 15:46
wispygalaxyhey omarFeb 25 15:46
Omar87Howdy everyone.Feb 25 15:46
cubezzznow I cab or walk or public transitFeb 25 15:46
wispygalaxythats going green :DFeb 25 15:46
Omar87wispygalaxy, hey!Feb 25 15:46
wispygalaxyi currently dont have a bike... i think my sister took it hahaFeb 25 15:47
cubezzzit's like FurnaceBoy said, we have to be more efficient about things nowadaysFeb 25 15:47
wispygalaxysome people think that being efficient means that you have to restrict yourselfFeb 25 15:47
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 25 15:47
wispygalaxyhowdy!Feb 25 15:48
wispygalaxybut i think efficiency can lead to easier ways of doing stuffFeb 25 15:48
schestowitz[15:45] <wispygalaxy> just saw you on COLAFeb 25 15:48
schestowitzYes, I'm catching up there ATMFeb 25 15:48
wispygalaxynow i see you here :)Feb 25 15:48
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wispygalaxystay here, we like to talk with youFeb 25 15:48
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I don't own a car either, and don't plan to.Feb 25 15:49
schestowitzOK,npFeb 25 15:49
wispygalaxy;DFeb 25 15:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: then you are not "normal"Feb 25 15:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you don't know that half of itFeb 25 15:49
FurnaceBoythe*Feb 25 15:49
schestowitzYou have to behave more like an average invidual from the WesFeb 25 15:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right, I am not.Feb 25 15:49
cubezzzhere is the Cola I like:Feb 25 15:49
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink)Feb 25 15:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: nearly all of my choices are marginal.Feb 25 15:49
schestowitzIncrease the scale of your habitatFeb 25 15:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenCola (drink) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 42.97 KBFeb 25 15:49
schestowitzBuy thingsFeb 25 15:49
schestowitzEven if you don't need themFeb 25 15:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: :)Feb 25 15:49
schestowitzYou need to buy thingsFeb 25 15:49
wispygalaxyi didnt know opencola existedFeb 25 15:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Moglen: Whatever happens on Bilski, someone will try to go to Congress to change the law: http://i5.be/aw5Feb 25 15:50
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schestowitzTo fill your habitat with artificial objectsFeb 25 15:50
cubezzzyou can save a ton of cash using Open :)Feb 25 15:50
schestowitzIt gives Chinese children labourFeb 25 15:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: trickle down!Feb 25 15:50
schestowitzMake them happy, they sauy.........Feb 25 15:50
wispygalaxyopen foods are good for health conscious people who need to know *everything* that goes into foodFeb 25 15:50
schestowitzDine in restaurantsFeb 25 15:50
schestowitz"They like to serve you," they sayFeb 25 15:50
cubezzzopen pizza...Feb 25 15:50
wispygalaxybut they spit in your food, thats not serving you :(Feb 25 15:50
cubezzzI don't think anyone does that yet thoughFeb 25 15:50
cubezzzwell...Feb 25 15:51
schestowitzwispygalaxy: or bath in the sinkFeb 25 15:51
wispygalaxythat would be funny, printing the "code" for pizza on the boxFeb 25 15:51
schestowitzThere was this story in Burger Kind IIRCFeb 25 15:51
schestowitzVery funnyFeb 25 15:51
wispygalaxytell me!Feb 25 15:51
cubezzzI could never make my burgers taste like McDonalds :)Feb 25 15:51
cubezzzwhich was a good thingFeb 25 15:51
wispygalaxythat's a  relief!Feb 25 15:52
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 25 15:52
FurnaceBoythey might have actually been worth eating then!Feb 25 15:52
schestowitz"Excuse me sir, how many architectures does this pizza support?"Feb 25 15:52
wispygalaxyhaha! Feb 25 15:52
FurnaceBoycorporations have no business making foodFeb 25 15:52
schestowitzService guy: RTFM, bugger off!Feb 25 15:52
cubezzzthe problem with pizza is it's greasyFeb 25 15:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I own quite a few SPARC pizza boxes... a NeXT slab pizza box...Feb 25 15:52
wispygalaxycorps only care about money, not your tastebudsFeb 25 15:52
cubezzzI tried veggie pizza, but I didn't like itFeb 25 15:53
schestowitzThere's s/w called CheeseFeb 25 15:53
wispygalaxylol roy, wonder if you could kach the pizza code ;PFeb 25 15:53
wispygalaxyhack*Feb 25 15:53
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: rightFeb 25 15:53
schestowitzmix the cheese with MinceR and you have some very delicious pizza with condiments on topFeb 25 15:53
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: you'd think that would be *obvious* wouldn't you..Feb 25 15:53
schestowitzwispygalaxy will provide her star dustFeb 25 15:53
wispygalaxylolFeb 25 15:53
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: we have the most wonderful organic pizza restaurant here. best i ever had...Feb 25 15:53
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schestowitzMagic pixie stuff...Feb 25 15:54
cubezzzshould I mention I used to eat at SquareBoys? :)Feb 25 15:54
wispygalaxyveggie pizza is good sometimes (tomatoes)Feb 25 15:54
FurnaceBoyyes they have a wide range of vegetarianFeb 25 15:54
wispygalaxyorganic food is gaining popularity... that's a good thingFeb 25 15:54
FurnaceBoyat one time, all food was "organic"Feb 25 15:54
schestowitzKramer: "a place where you make you own PIZZA!!"Feb 25 15:54
FurnaceBoyit's the other kind that is perverseFeb 25 15:54
wispygalaxytrueFeb 25 15:54
cubezzzit makes me wonder what the heck we were eating before though, inorganic? :)Feb 25 15:55
schestowitzThey give you the cow, the butcher knife, and the flourFeb 25 15:55
FurnaceBoycubezzz: there are specific principlesFeb 25 15:55
FurnaceBoycubezzz: one is, abandon poisons Feb 25 15:55
wispygalaxyfactory made food has a lot of inorganic stuff that falls into the foodFeb 25 15:55
schestowitzThe hard part is making the cheese before ahem,... making the beefFeb 25 15:55
wispygalaxythe "beef"Feb 25 15:55
wispygalaxyits not even real meatFeb 25 15:55
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schestowitzWater-injected?Feb 25 15:56
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.magicoven.com/ <-- great organic pizza in TOFeb 25 15:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Welcome to Magic Oven! .::. Size~: 0.95 KBFeb 25 15:56
wispygalaxyyumFeb 25 15:56
schestowitzBe careful of BGH-infected beef by the wayFeb 25 15:56
schestowitzIt gives you cancerFeb 25 15:56
wispygalaxyget organic pizzaFeb 25 15:56
schestowitzSomeone mailed me about it a while agoFeb 25 15:56
schestowitzIt's Monsanto killing many peopleFeb 25 15:56
schestowitzWith the drugs they passed through with corruption and back-room dealFeb 25 15:56
wispygalaxyi dont trust mailed foodFeb 25 15:57
schestowitzSee the testimonies from CanadaFeb 25 15:57
schestowitzThe FDA is to curruptFeb 25 15:57
FurnaceBoyAspartameFeb 25 15:57
schestowitzI wouldn't eat beef and maybe drink milk in FloridaFeb 25 15:57
schestowitzAs I haveFeb 25 15:57
FurnaceBoyeverything you need to know about the FDA is in the Aspartame storyFeb 25 15:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: phosphate problems in FLFeb 25 15:57
schestowitzI never heard of itFeb 25 15:57
wispygalaxyi drank mily today, is that bad?Feb 25 15:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: incidents of cow herds dropping dead through fluorine poisoning. etc.Feb 25 15:57
schestowitzMaybe it's good... for the FDAFeb 25 15:57
wispygalaxymilk*Feb 25 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Google does NOT have a Monopoly http://tinyurl.com/yl9h8vmFeb 25 15:58
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schestowitzwispygalaxy: depends where it comes fromFeb 25 15:58
wispygalaxyi think it came from NJFeb 25 15:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: FL has traditionally a phosphate industry. leaves huge toxic waste ponds/mountainsFeb 25 15:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's a ticking time bombFeb 25 15:58
schestowitzMonsanto lobbies not to have its poisoned flagFeb 25 15:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that crap gets in the water table as usualFeb 25 15:58
schestowitzSo you won't be able to tell by looking at the boxes at the supermarketFeb 25 15:58
wispygalaxyi have a private well at homeFeb 25 15:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the producers have corrupted the govt, EPA to turn a blind eye, as usualFeb 25 15:58
schestowitzThey corrupt officials to ensure you can't tellFeb 25 15:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it got so bad in the 50s/60s,Feb 25 15:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that fluorine was drifting around and killing herds of animalsFeb 25 15:59
wispygalaxythat's why open source food is good, it tells you where your food is coming fromFeb 25 15:59
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: so a bit like in China's  ewaste centresFeb 25 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: all the same stuff yesFeb 25 15:59
schestowitz50% oft he world's computers... I used to think most were shipped to poison AfricansFeb 25 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: unregulated industriesFeb 25 15:59
schestowitzTurns out China gets many tooFeb 25 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesFeb 25 15:59
schestowitzI guess in Africa it's burialFeb 25 15:59
schestowitzIn China they recycle the,Feb 25 15:59
schestowitz*themFeb 25 15:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I am sure Africans cook them for commodities tooFeb 25 15:59
schestowitzNo the casingFeb 25 16:00
schestowitz"Let them east mobos"Feb 25 16:00
schestowitz"Let them eat mobos" --Madam MelindaFeb 25 16:00
schestowitzMadame with the accent...Feb 25 16:00
schestowitzFrenchFeb 25 16:01
cubezzzI stopped drinking milkFeb 25 16:02
schestowitzIt ought to say on the packaing, "made in China, used in the West, burned/buried in the Black Continent"Feb 25 16:02
wispygalaxyyou need your calcium cubezzz!  how do you get it?Feb 25 16:02
cubezzzsoy beverage :)Feb 25 16:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: careful, you'll expose the incredible cynicism of the WestFeb 25 16:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: not to mention racismFeb 25 16:03
wispygalaxyah yes, soy products :)Feb 25 16:03
wispygalaxyhave you used soy milk on cereal?Feb 25 16:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Globalisation is the continuation of colonialismFeb 25 16:03
cubezzzok, some historian needs to tell me, how well off were people 200 years ago?Feb 25 16:03
cubezzzlike in Africa?Feb 25 16:03
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's USA's reinvention of itself as a past colony usurping the imperial role :)Feb 25 16:03
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cubezzzI've always wondered about that... Feb 25 16:04
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I don't give aFeb 25 16:04
FurnaceBoycubezzz: many lived sustainablyFeb 25 16:04
wispygalaxyi do recall that for some countries in africa, the standard of living has dropped since the 1950sFeb 25 16:04
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: no, France tooFeb 25 16:04
schestowitzDon't blame the USFeb 25 16:04
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: that's true rather widelyFeb 25 16:04
cubezzzyeah that's what I figuredFeb 25 16:04
schestowitzIt used to be EUropeFeb 25 16:04
cubezzzand deserts were a lot smaller too I thinkFeb 25 16:04
schestowitzHaiti was abused by France, not just the USFeb 25 16:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesFeb 25 16:05
schestowitzwispygalaxy: dropped? No way!Feb 25 16:05
schestowitzNow they work in oil/coal mines!Feb 25 16:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'm not denying that. just that globalisation is the USA-centric mutation of colonialismFeb 25 16:05
schestowitzBack then they were "unemployed"Feb 25 16:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: AHHAHAHAFeb 25 16:05
schestowitzHunting food in the savanaFeb 25 16:05
schestowitzNow they are semi-attached to machinesFeb 25 16:05
schestowitzCorproration will own all the land one dayFeb 25 16:06
FurnaceBoygrist to the only game in town- multinational theftFeb 25 16:06
wispygalaxylike industrial workers in the 1800s attached to machinesFeb 25 16:06
schestowitzIt's even starting to happen in Mongolia nowFeb 25 16:06
schestowitzThe locals are being urbanisedFeb 25 16:06
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 25 16:06
schestowitzThe rural life in also dying in CaliforniaFeb 25 16:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you saw Burtynsky, then?Feb 25 16:06
cubezzzI'm becoming more curious about the pre-industrial ageFeb 25 16:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: those shots of shanghai redevelopment were tragicFeb 25 16:06
schestowitzThey segment the small farms which go bankrupt and then buy off the land or lease it to another victimFeb 25 16:06
wispygalaxyits too bad that natives in various countries are forced to modernize because the government tells them tooFeb 25 16:06
schestowitzI saw a good UC documentary about it last monthFeb 25 16:07
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: Gates Foundation ;-) Feb 25 16:07
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: all the same bandwagonFeb 25 16:07
wispygalaxy:(Feb 25 16:07
wispygalaxythe nwo?Feb 25 16:07
FurnaceBoydoesn't matter what you *call* itFeb 25 16:07
wispygalaxybig brother?Feb 25 16:07
FurnaceBoyjust study what it *does*Feb 25 16:07
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FurnaceBoy*is doing*Feb 25 16:07
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Gates Foundation invests in thisFeb 25 16:07
cubezzzIreland had a period of starvation in the 18th centuryFeb 25 16:07
schestowitzBP and ShellFeb 25 16:07
schestowitzOr TexacoFeb 25 16:07
wispygalaxypotato famie?Feb 25 16:07
wispygalaxyfamineFeb 25 16:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @perusio According to this http://ur1.ca/niil Portugal is one the countries supporting the secrecy in #ACTAFeb 25 16:08
schestowitzThey profit from theft of Nigeria oilFeb 25 16:08
cubezzzso I know everything wasn't great back thenFeb 25 16:08
schestowitzThey take it to the westFeb 25 16:08
FurnaceBoycubezzz: heheFeb 25 16:08
FurnaceBoycubezzz: that's an oversimplification, though.Feb 25 16:08
schestowitzI once know the daughter of a guy who also 'stole' Nigeria's fisheryFeb 25 16:08
schestowitzhe committed suicideFeb 25 16:08
schestowitzNot before becoming a big millionaireFeb 25 16:08
cubezzzmonoculture = bad :)Feb 25 16:08
schestowitzAnd buying a football teamFeb 25 16:08
Diablo-D3'stole'Feb 25 16:08
schestowitzYesFeb 25 16:08
schestowitzStoleFeb 25 16:08
Diablo-D3nigeria. who borders no watter.Feb 25 16:08
schestowitzThat's where "Stole" means stoleFeb 25 16:08
Diablo-D3has a fishery.Feb 25 16:08
schestowitzAnd there is real piracy there tooFeb 25 16:09
wispygalaxyand we're not just talking about software...Feb 25 16:09
Diablo-D3pirates. on boats. and there is no water there.Feb 25 16:09
Diablo-D3LAND PIRATESFeb 25 16:09
schestowitzHollywood are wussy people adopting words they don't understand Feb 25 16:09
schestowitzThey don't know famineFeb 25 16:09
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 25 16:09
schestowitzThey whine about 9/11 but not darfourFeb 25 16:09
schestowitzIt's polically incorrect to even say thisFeb 25 16:09
wispygalaxycongo has a big problem tooFeb 25 16:09
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: only dead white americans matterFeb 25 16:09
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you missed a memo?Feb 25 16:10
schestowitzThings like, "forget 9/11, there were 60 9/11 just not in Haiti"Feb 25 16:10
schestowitzBut the supposition it's hinged on is that their lives are worthless (or close to worthless)Feb 25 16:10
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 25 16:10
schestowitzOutcome: less bananasFeb 25 16:10
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schestowitzcongo tooFeb 25 16:11
FurnaceBoy2nd Outcome: corporates take charge of the banana industryFeb 25 16:11
schestowitzUI didn't forgetFeb 25 16:11
schestowitzthe gangs rape the women, then shoot them to death on the genitaliaFeb 25 16:11
schestowitzNot much more pleasant for menFeb 25 16:11
schestowitzSee Constant GardnerFeb 25 16:11
schestowitzQuite shockingFeb 25 16:11
schestowitzit also shows how Gates' darling, the 'medical' industry (drugs) commits a massive murder thereFeb 25 16:12
schestowitzIt's a western filmFeb 25 16:12
wispygalaxyand they also have to deal with AIDSFeb 25 16:12
wispygalaxyin congoFeb 25 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's a pity you don't read paper books. I'd recommend "The Politics of Cruelty" by Kate MillettFeb 25 16:12
schestowitzBut there are accurate details to be taken from this portntial propagandaFeb 25 16:12
schestowitzBritish rule in Africa circo 70sFeb 25 16:12
schestowitz*circaFeb 25 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I've seen that film. It's about as close as Hollywood dares to come to realityFeb 25 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: which isn't terribly close, everFeb 25 16:12
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: normalising the unthinkable..Feb 25 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's their usual role, yes.Feb 25 16:12
wispygalaxymany african countries gained independence within the past 50-60 years and were not given enough resources to succeedFeb 25 16:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: revising, revisingFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: that film preyed in my mind longer than mostFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzSeveral daysFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzMy mom told me not to watch itFeb 25 16:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: soon we shall see some Hiroshima/Nagasaki stories from HollywoodFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzCause it depressed her too for a while, so she warned meFeb 25 16:13
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's almost time, nearly enough ppl who know the truth are goneFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzNa...Feb 25 16:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they can wallpaper over the whole thing with celluloidFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzRevisionismFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzMaybe they'll do there what they do to ArbsFeb 25 16:13
schestowitzPortray the "Japs" as people in tents riding camels with RPGs.Feb 25 16:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: haFeb 25 16:14
schestowitzAnd brave SilversteRambo will come to rescue the womenFeb 25 16:14
schestowitz*silvestFeb 25 16:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Hiroshima is due for revision in the USA given the new pro-nuclear-weapons agendaFeb 25 16:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The session "Intro to Python for programmers" has started. #ubuntuFeb 25 16:15
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schestowitzWhat's that\?Feb 25 16:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's an inconvenient truth that is ripe for distortionFeb 25 16:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: obama is building more nukes and increasing budgets for nuke research (Los Alamos)Feb 25 16:15
FurnaceBoybiggest increase since the Manhattan ProjectFeb 25 16:15
schestowitzYesFeb 25 16:15
schestowitzObama...Feb 25 16:15
schestowitzNew faceFeb 25 16:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Please tell your british friends/family to support this petition for #ACTA details to be made public - http://bit.ly/b0a4Bj (via @glynmoody)Feb 25 16:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] (NL) weet iemand wanneer de nieuwe Linuxmagazine uitkomt (Maart?). Heb zooo genoten van het jubileum nummer.Feb 25 16:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Check it out in Lernid or at #ubuntu-classroom on freenodeFeb 25 16:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | After Some Reflection | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yhnxgjyFeb 25 16:16
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Petition to: Make public the details and text of the ACTA agreement, its our internet, our WWW. | Number10.gov.uk .::. Size~: 13.11 KBFeb 25 16:16
schestowitzBetter than Bush'sFeb 25 16:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: After Some Reflection | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 10.33 KBFeb 25 16:16
schestowitzBut just a face moslyFeb 25 16:16
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Palin is even better, feminise deathFeb 25 16:16
schestowitzDoesn't project "I'm fighting for Jesus"Feb 25 16:16
schestowitzHe's more like "We're multicultural"Feb 25 16:16
schestowitzThe same people run the same policies through thoughFeb 25 16:16
schestowitzAnd anyone clueful has seen it by nowFeb 25 16:16
FurnaceBoyand healthy, not some hereditary imbecile alcoholic with the taint of "fake Texan royalty"Feb 25 16:16
schestowitzFew exceptions, very fewFeb 25 16:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ... Laat maar, zie net dat een abbo spot goedkoop is....Feb 25 16:17
FurnaceBoyso yes, Obama is very useful diversionFeb 25 16:17
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: can you imagine those banners of Joker with Palin's face in them?Feb 25 16:17
FurnaceBoyeven fooled DaemonFeb 25 16:17
schestowitzHeheFeb 25 16:17
schestowitzHe shilled for himFeb 25 16:17
schestowitzHouse to houseFeb 25 16:17
schestowitzI LMAOedFeb 25 16:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh, you should read the COMMENTS on that missile defence logo thread i tweetedFeb 25 16:17
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schestowitzAnd he feltt embarrassedFeb 25 16:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: one guy had that joker thing as an avatarFeb 25 16:17
schestowitzIt's like when you put a lot into a relationship with a girl and it blows upFeb 25 16:18
FurnaceBoyhrhrhrrhrFeb 25 16:18
schestowitzThen you want your time backFeb 25 16:18
schestowitzThat's DaemonRyan and his b/f ObamaFeb 25 16:18
schestowitzGo to Youtube see the Obama PRFeb 25 16:18
schestowitzIt's alll about my.obama.suffixFeb 25 16:18
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schestowitzMY ME MEMEMEME!Feb 25 16:18
schestowitzHe's US!Feb 25 16:18
schestowitzHe is also U.S.!Feb 25 16:19
schestowitzThere are those tunedFeb 25 16:19
schestowitzLike ObamaGirlFeb 25 16:19
schestowitzAnd all kinds of PR 101 stuffFeb 25 16:19
FurnaceBoycelebrity cultureFeb 25 16:19
schestowitzI fidn that amusing nowFeb 25 16:19
schestowitzAnyway....Feb 25 16:19
FurnaceBoyRonald Reagan was the masterstroke.Feb 25 16:19
FurnaceBoyhow did anyone NOT get the joke?Feb 25 16:19
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Arrianna has a new boyfriend: http://skepticblog.org/2010/02/23/dinner-with-bill-gates/Feb 25 16:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Skepticblog  » My Dinner with Bill (Gates that is) .::. Size~: 115.49 KBFeb 25 16:20
schestowitzWatch her siting next to PEarlyFeb 25 16:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: aaaaaaaaaarghFeb 25 16:20
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: my outrage meter is in the red zone...Feb 25 16:20
schestowitzShe can help him seed influenceFeb 25 16:20
schestowitzThough I'm sure he has Murdoch as a friend tooFeb 25 16:20
schestowitzRecall the anti-Google Murdoch deal they both negotiatedFeb 25 16:20
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schestowitzDon't worry about itFeb 25 16:21
schestowitzNo need for anger, mateFeb 25 16:21
schestowitzMelinda French is OK with itFeb 25 16:21
FurnaceBoythis is more outrage than angerFeb 25 16:21
FurnaceBoyanger is what i get talking to ole DFeb 25 16:21
FurnaceBoyoutrage is what real crime brings outFeb 25 16:21
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schestowitzBill Gates says, "I love Arianna for advertising, I do kids with you, Frenchy"Feb 25 16:21
FurnaceBoyD's harmless, as long as he never uses that thingFeb 25 16:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ronald Reagan was the masterstroke / How did anyone NOT get the joke?Feb 25 16:22
schestowitzThen Melinda shows him she can advertise tooFeb 25 16:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: mental image .. you just goatse'd usFeb 25 16:22
schestowitzShe does it in WashPostFeb 25 16:22
schestowitzBTW...Feb 25 16:22
schestowitzHuffington also glorified Gates Sr. last yearFeb 25 16:22
FurnaceBoydynastic marriageFeb 25 16:22
schestowitzMaybe they have family dinner, I dunno  :-)Feb 25 16:22
schestowitzCross-breeding " elites" j/k... :-)Feb 25 16:23
FurnaceBoyHP is off my reading listFeb 25 16:23
schestowitzI'm just totally joking now..Feb 25 16:23
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schestowitzI'll stop herFeb 25 16:23
schestowitzherFeb 25 16:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, that's how it has historically worked.Feb 25 16:23
schestowitz>hereFeb 25 16:23
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the concept of entities which survive an individual lifespan is always hovering here.Feb 25 16:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this ties directly in to notions of corporationFeb 25 16:24
schestowitzDid you know Chinese women lust for Gates' sperm the most?Feb 25 16:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you probably have to play marriage/procreative tricks to really pull that off.Feb 25 16:24
schestowitzIt means PR workedFeb 25 16:24
schestowitzTHere was a survey around 2007Feb 25 16:24
schestowitzThey want Gates' DNA/bloodFeb 25 16:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that is what we can learn from historical aristocracyFeb 25 16:24
schestowitzWhich I find absurdFeb 25 16:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: British Queen is German, etcFeb 25 16:24
schestowitzCan you imagine women lining up to have sex with Unabomber when he's freedFeb 25 16:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: if the Brits had insisted on an Anglo line, they may not exist nowFeb 25 16:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Gut, staat er ook bij: 5 maart.. Zzzzz.Feb 25 16:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the interbreeding racket may be a necessary complement to the legal/business racketFeb 25 16:25
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Ender2070+1Feb 25 16:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: which is why we will always have dynastic unionsFeb 25 16:25
FurnaceBoyAdam Giambrone HAHAHAHAHAHAFeb 25 16:25
schestowitzJoined interestsFeb 25 16:25
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 25 16:26
schestowitzMy cousin, your grandpa,, etc.Feb 25 16:26
schestowitzAlignment of...Feb 25 16:26
schestowitzWell...Feb 25 16:26
schestowitzThere's this good film on geneticFeb 25 16:26
Ender2070the interbreeding racket helped invent the legal/business racketFeb 25 16:26
schestowitzOn why people help one anotherFeb 25 16:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but the KEY concept here, i suspect, is prolonged  survival of an abstract entityFeb 25 16:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: like the gene outlives an individual (Dawkins)Feb 25 16:26
schestowitzSome expedition to the Amazon studies thisFeb 25 16:26
schestowitzThey studied tribesFeb 25 16:26
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: yesFeb 25 16:26
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schestowitzWhere there is incest and allFeb 25 16:26
schestowitzThey found the people with common blood help each otherFeb 25 16:26
schestowitzSomething geneticFeb 25 16:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes this has been provenFeb 25 16:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: by many studiesFeb 25 16:27
schestowitzNot just the reciprocisy things we understand in developed societyFeb 25 16:27
schestowitzI don't know if the same experiments were repeated on animalsFeb 25 16:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Dawkins again (The Selfish Gene), and reproduced annually by othersFeb 25 16:27
Ender2070the interbreeding racket is also racist and follows eugenicsFeb 25 16:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: somebody needs to write the book, "The Selfish Corporation". (you?)_Feb 25 16:27
schestowitzOh, BTW:Feb 25 16:27
schestowitzOT, I know, but...Feb 25 16:27
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: yes. forced breeding occurs in aristocraciesFeb 25 16:28
schestowitzClinton's daughter just married a GoldmanSachserFeb 25 16:28
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: perfect exampleFeb 25 16:28
Ender2070yeahFeb 25 16:28
wispygalaxyim not surprisedFeb 25 16:28
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's forward planningFeb 25 16:28
schestowitzNo need for theories of conspiracies much..Feb 25 16:28
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 25 16:28
FurnaceBoyexactly.Feb 25 16:28
schestowitz"it's all in the family" as the saying goesFeb 25 16:28
Ender2070darwin's family is part of that tooFeb 25 16:28
Ender2070funny enoughFeb 25 16:28
schestowitzThe grandson of Darwin is still around in this fieldFeb 25 16:29
schestowitzBut I think they keep a low profile, thoughFeb 25 16:29
schestowitzLowest profile that I know is would be Rothschild dynastyFeb 25 16:29
Ender2070yeah except for Charles Galton-DarwinFeb 25 16:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, sort of.Feb 25 16:29
schestowitzIt's as though they went undergroundFeb 25 16:29
Ender2070he openly talks about stuffFeb 25 16:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they were documented decades agoFeb 25 16:29
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: The Unseed Hand, etcFeb 25 16:29
schestowitzDavid Rockefeller is still seen in public sometimesFeb 25 16:29
FurnaceBoyUnseen*Feb 25 16:29
schestowitzAnd then there's London bankers tooFeb 25 16:29
schestowitzBut they rarely speak to the pressFeb 25 16:30
schestowitzEvelyn?? IIRCFeb 25 16:30
schestowitzWell, anyway, Obama is the public figure nowFeb 25 16:30
schestowitzThe image of "America"Feb 25 16:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the spokesmanFeb 25 16:30
schestowitzThat's fineFeb 25 16:30
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schestowitzBut I hope the aggression stopasFeb 25 16:30
schestowitzThat'll just incrase racismFeb 25 16:30
schestowitzA lot of blacks think acceptance will rise because of the nomination and election, but there is also the downside of the raving racistsFeb 25 16:31
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schestowitzHe fuels their fears and theories, which are baselessFeb 25 16:31
Ender2070heyFeb 25 16:31
Ender2070its not always trueFeb 25 16:31
Ender2070even some of the biggest racists are giving him the benefit of the doubtFeb 25 16:32
FurnaceBoyof courseFeb 25 16:32
schestowitzPoliticians suck up to Gates because they want to be in the higher levelFeb 25 16:32
schestowitzWhere they don't have to speak publicly before congressFeb 25 16:32
Ender2070i would have voted for him too if i was americanFeb 25 16:32
schestowitzThey just fund parties and have partiesFeb 25 16:32
Ender2070but im not sure if i would re-elect himFeb 25 16:32
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: that's the problem with a 2-party system.Feb 25 16:32
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: both candidates were controlledFeb 25 16:32
schestowitzAnd act as fronts to the really powerful corps like NovartisFeb 25 16:32
Ender2070yesFeb 25 16:32
Ender2070thats the truthFeb 25 16:32
FurnaceBoyEnder2070: it didn't matter who you voted for, you lose. Same in 2000Feb 25 16:33
Ender2070it doesnt matter who gets in, we can't vote for the lobbyistsFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: not entirely trueFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzBush was more extremeFeb 25 16:33
FurnaceBoythe lobbyists are increasingly unnecessaryFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzANd his gang stole the electionFeb 25 16:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: same backersFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzNot exactlyFeb 25 16:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they just changed style for a while not to make it too obviousFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzThey have different investors, with alignmentFeb 25 16:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: back in full forceFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzThe oil lobby is now betting more on GOPFeb 25 16:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Bush's nuke people said they were jealous of Obama's budget hike for nukesFeb 25 16:33
schestowitzSo the reckoning is that Obama's failure will have him lose in 2 yearsFeb 25 16:34
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schestowitzThen the rampage and raping of the world can be womanisedFeb 25 16:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and nothing better will come of thatFeb 25 16:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesFeb 25 16:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: preciselyFeb 25 16:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: where do they go after Palin? maybe a cute little baby..Feb 25 16:34
Ender2070Obama also followed Bush's DOJ backing to keep the AT&T vs EFF lawsuit downFeb 25 16:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: President Trig!Feb 25 16:34
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I guessFeb 25 16:34
schestowitzAnyway, it's like violent loveFeb 25 16:35
schestowitzAfghanistan wants intercourse, gets Tomahawk insteadFeb 25 16:35
FurnaceBoyPredatorFeb 25 16:35
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schestowitz"Punish us, Sarah"Feb 25 16:35
FurnaceBoya rose by any other name would kill just as many civiliansFeb 25 16:36
Ender2070lolFeb 25 16:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: a WOMAN is writing in the NYT that not enough Afghan civilians are dyingFeb 25 16:36
Ender2070remember that article that showed 7 terrorists killed, 600 civilians killedFeb 25 16:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no coincidenceFeb 25 16:36
Ender2070from drone attacksFeb 25 16:36
Diablo-D3[11:28:34] <schestowitz> Afghanistan wants intercourse, gets Tomahawk insteadFeb 25 16:36
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wispygalaxywhere is that article, roy?Feb 25 16:36
Diablo-D3I dunno, Afghan-tan is a little young for my tastesFeb 25 16:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: people won't like to be abused by other men (RushCheneyCain); if a women does that it feels differentFeb 25 16:38
schestowitzBut anyway, it's all speculativeFeb 25 16:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there's nothing speculative that women are being positioned in the media calling for more deathFeb 25 16:38
schestowitzThe US never had a female president and I reckon religiousness contriuted to thisFeb 25 16:38
schestowitzwispygalaxy: which one?Feb 25 16:38
iantoschestowitz: Christanity praises Mary as the third most holy figure after Jesus & God...Feb 25 16:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Pelosi?Feb 25 16:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: men seem to get aroused when Palin talks about nuking {Iran, <insert your country here>}Feb 25 16:39
schestowitzianto: but as a motherFeb 25 16:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Pelosi. Perino. This Booz-Allen stooge in the NYT. Palin. etc.Feb 25 16:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: French.Feb 25 16:39
schestowitzThen bible has hardly any female leadersFeb 25 16:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there's an article in it.Feb 25 16:39
Diablo-D3I think I should go world wideFeb 25 16:39
schestowitzMaternal is not authorityFeb 25 16:39
Diablo-D3and offer my dick to any woman who really needs itFeb 25 16:39
schestowitzPaternal isFeb 25 16:39
wispygalaxyschestowitz: the article where the woman says that not enough civilians are dyingFeb 25 16:39
Diablo-D3it would be a humanitarian mission of the grandest scaleFeb 25 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The Grand App Writing Challenge! http://is.gd/9aje5 #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopers #gnome #kdeFeb 25 16:40
schestowitzMatrnal is protectionistFeb 25 16:40
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: these are all spokeswomenFeb 25 16:40
Diablo-D3schestowitz: btwFeb 25 16:40
Diablo-D3to be fairFeb 25 16:40
Diablo-D3if I ever needed warriorsFeb 25 16:40
Diablo-D3I'd only go with womenFeb 25 16:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's pure misdirection strategyFeb 25 16:40
Diablo-D3women can kill without a second thoughtFeb 25 16:40
schestowitzJoan D'arc [spelling]Feb 25 16:40
wispygalaxyi think twice about it!Feb 25 16:40
schestowitzDiablo-D3: they don'tFeb 25 16:40
schestowitzBush didn't killFeb 25 16:40
FurnaceBoypresent company exceptedFeb 25 16:40
wispygalaxyim kinda squeamishFeb 25 16:40
schestowitzHe gave signaturesFeb 25 16:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there is some validity to this positionFeb 25 16:40
schestowitzOr ordersFeb 25 16:40
schestowitzHitler may have actually killedFeb 25 16:41
Diablo-D3schestowitz: they can.Feb 25 16:41
schestowitzHe was in artillery in WW1Feb 25 16:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: jail is good enough for BushFeb 25 16:41
schestowitzBush was a chickenhawdFeb 25 16:41
Diablo-D3I think the only people who have a right to kill are the ones who can also give life.Feb 25 16:41
schestowitzHe killed doobies in the coast guardFeb 25 16:41
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: I know what you are talking aboutFeb 25 16:41
Diablo-D3its also the same way I'd never have a female politician or whateverFeb 25 16:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Bush is made for jail. the idiot son who got mixed up in things over his head. lock him in the attic, save face.Feb 25 16:42
wispygalaxyi have to leave now, see you later!Feb 25 16:42
Diablo-D3women cant do itFeb 25 16:42
FurnaceBoywispygalaxy: ciaoFeb 25 16:42
Diablo-D3they dont quite grasp how to lie, cheat, and steal so efficientlyFeb 25 16:42
wispygalaxybye bye!Feb 25 16:42
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: Leona HelmsleyFeb 25 16:42
schestowitzMcCain killedFeb 25 16:42
schestowitzwispygalaxy: cya soon :-)Feb 25 16:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Palin shootsFeb 25 16:42
schestowitzMcCain ("Cane Cane, naughty boy!!"Feb 25 16:43
wispygalaxybye roy, ill try to be on cola later today :)Feb 25 16:43
schestowitz<Cool.Feb 25 16:43
wispygalaxytake care!!Feb 25 16:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Palin is the hottie from the aircraft decalFeb 25 16:43
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the hot home-chick the soldier dreams of while banging a Cong childFeb 25 16:43
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: notice she got caughtFeb 25 16:43
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: a man would have never got caughtFeb 25 16:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Church Upgrades to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/niyd http://ur1.ca/niyeFeb 25 16:45
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Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: Im not being sexist, btwFeb 25 16:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: I knowFeb 25 16:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: I've seen this concept before. There *is* a differenceFeb 25 16:45
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: i've seen it in literature occasionallyFeb 25 16:45
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Diablo-D3women and men are different, each have roles they excel atFeb 25 16:46
Diablo-D3us men, we do things our wayFeb 25 16:46
Diablo-D3women do things their wayFeb 25 16:46
Diablo-D3lawyers, businessmen, etc, thats a man's jobFeb 25 16:46
Diablo-D3raising children, killing people, thats a woman's job.Feb 25 16:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] E Portugal também: ♺ @BoingBoing: ACTA leak: Now we know who is against transparency - USA, Korea, Singapore, Denmark http://bit.ly/cFkrKmFeb 25 16:47
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Diablo-D3actually, I think the ability to ruthlessly kill people comes out of the ability to raise childrenFeb 25 16:47
FurnaceBoyperhapsFeb 25 16:47
Diablo-D3those with strong maternal instinct will want to protect their childrenFeb 25 16:47
Diablo-D3no matter if they actually have any or notFeb 25 16:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Maddog Meets a Proprietary Operating System http://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2010/113/DIYFeb 25 16:48
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Diablo-D3now, Im not saying there arent brilliant female lawyers and busineswomenFeb 25 16:48
Diablo-D3but they come along very very rarelyFeb 25 16:48
cubezzzit's the guys that kill thoughFeb 25 16:48
Diablo-D3cubezzz: ironic, no?Feb 25 16:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at Southern #California #Linux Expo Presentations http://ur1.ca/niza http://ur1.ca/nizc #scaleFeb 25 16:49
Diablo-D3and we all fuck it upFeb 25 16:49
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Diablo-D3we have all that honor shitFeb 25 16:49
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Diablo-D3and all those rulesFeb 25 16:49
cubezzzthere's no female Gates equivalentFeb 25 16:49
Diablo-D3there is a female gates equivalentFeb 25 16:49
Diablo-D3and I do believe hes married to herFeb 25 16:49
cubezzzlolFeb 25 16:49
FurnaceBoyhrhrFeb 25 16:49
Diablo-D3shes just as ruthless and business smart as he isFeb 25 16:49
FurnaceBoyyes, she's in charge when he croaksFeb 25 16:49
FurnaceBoyshe'll pass to the descendantsFeb 25 16:50
FurnaceBoythe keys to the criminal empireFeb 25 16:50
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: in theory, there is nothing wrong with thisFeb 25 16:50
Diablo-D3I'd rather know who my enemies areFeb 25 16:50
cubezzzthere's no way Gates' kids will be as bad as he isFeb 25 16:50
FurnaceBoyyes. she's a spokeswoman. again, like the mafia, you have "people who are in the public eye" and have no rap sheetFeb 25 16:50
cubezzzhere's hoping anywayFeb 25 16:50
FurnaceBoythen you have the ones who work in the dark.Feb 25 16:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 9 #GNU #Linux Desktop Projects and Why #Skype (Proprietary) is Nasty http://ur1.ca/nizr http://ur1.ca/nizsFeb 25 16:51
FurnaceBoycall it privilege separationFeb 25 16:51
FurnaceBoyfirewallingFeb 25 16:51
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Diablo-D3anyhowFeb 25 16:51
Diablo-D3as I was sayingFeb 25 16:51
Diablo-D3lets say I become rich and powerfulFeb 25 16:51
Diablo-D3each and every one of my bodyguards will be womenFeb 25 16:51
FurnaceBoyput the woman under the spotlight, she doesn't have the taint of Gates' thousands of court appearancesFeb 25 16:51
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: HOT womenFeb 25 16:51
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: :)Feb 25 16:51
Diablo-D3very hot womenFeb 25 16:51
cubezzzOctopussy? :)Feb 25 16:51
Diablo-D3because in that sort of work, looks are also a weapon, if but a subtle oneFeb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoynot Octomom, that's for sure.Feb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: yesFeb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: Palin has nothing else, really. Looks, and an ability to take orders.Feb 25 16:52
Diablo-D3she doesnt have looksFeb 25 16:52
Diablo-D3you couldnt pay me to hit that.Feb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoyand i don't even see any attractiveness, but I have standards..Feb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: nor moeFeb 25 16:52
Diablo-D3well, with a bat, sureFeb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: nor me*Feb 25 16:52
cubezzzI don't understand the fascination with PalinFeb 25 16:52
FurnaceBoyshe's hideous, to my eyesFeb 25 16:52
Diablo-D3cubezzz: shes the current focal point of hate towards the republican partyFeb 25 16:52
Diablo-D3her time will pass soon, Im just not sure who toFeb 25 16:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Support for Linux Improves, More OEMs Should Offer #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/nj0e http://ur1.ca/nj0fFeb 25 16:53
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: and the focal point of its fans, tooFeb 25 16:53
cubezzzseems to be a bit clueless though :)Feb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: you know what the problem is?Feb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3the facial expressionsFeb 25 16:53
cubezzzunless it's an actFeb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3and her eyesFeb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3she never can look normalFeb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3she always has these wild looks on her faceFeb 25 16:53
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cubezzzI mean if you run for vice-president you should know a bit about what the job entailsFeb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I know what it entailsFeb 25 16:53
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: she's started having plastic surgeryFeb 25 16:53
Diablo-D3dont fuck up, keep your mouth shut.Feb 25 16:53
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: she's looking more an more like a cabbage patch kidFeb 25 16:54
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: urgh.Feb 25 16:54
Diablo-D3nothxFeb 25 16:54
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: watch the pics changeFeb 25 16:54
Diablo-D3her cheeks are too high too, btwFeb 25 16:54
cubezzzthere's a term for it... disassociation is the wordFeb 25 16:54
Diablo-D3but see, I'd hire, I think, quite a few asians, and a few black womenFeb 25 16:54
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: plastic surgery will ruin her face in a few yearsFeb 25 16:54
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: get some brazilian ex-copsFeb 25 16:54
cubezzzas in disassociation from reality :)Feb 25 16:54
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: Rio has female cops.Feb 25 16:54
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: oooh some of themFeb 25 16:54
Diablo-D3and I think some germans.Feb 25 16:55
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: the elites use womenFeb 25 16:55
Diablo-D3and a few swedesFeb 25 16:55
Diablo-D3and at least one of the women would have to be a heavy weapons expert.Feb 25 16:55
Diablo-D3maybe the russian chick.Feb 25 16:55
Diablo-D3since i'd have to have a russian chickFeb 25 16:55
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: haha, i knew russian women who liked guns. hot too.Feb 25 16:55
*Diablo-D3 would have to buy her a gattling gunFeb 25 16:55
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cubezzzthis is silly James Bond crap :)Feb 25 16:56
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yesFeb 25 16:56
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I was thinking more team fortress 2.Feb 25 16:56
FurnaceBoycubezzz: ;-)Feb 25 16:56
Diablo-D3a female, yet hot, Heavy.Feb 25 16:56
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: Michelle RodriguezFeb 25 16:56
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cubezzzdon't forget some hot German Fräulein :)Feb 25 16:56
Diablo-D3hmmmmmmFeb 25 16:56
FurnaceBoycubezzz: Merkel?Feb 25 16:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux is Released, Worth Over a Billion Euro http://ur1.ca/nj12 http://ur1.ca/nj13 http://ur1.ca/ngywFeb 25 16:57
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Diablo-D3meh, I dunno.Feb 25 16:57
cubezzzpredictions in 10 years? Microsoft marketshare?Feb 25 16:57
cubezzz80%? 60%?Feb 25 16:58
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Diablo-D3cubezzz: 0.Feb 25 16:58
Diablo-D3since it'll be dead if it keeps going this wayFeb 25 16:58
cubezzzit should be interesting, I'll keep the logs :)Feb 25 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In USA, International Intellectual Property Alliance demands Government to punish countries that make use of Free Software ttp://ur1.ca/niziFeb 25 16:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it needs to be ~30 imhoFeb 25 16:59
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FurnaceBoycubezzz: failing that, zeroFeb 25 16:59
cubezzza world without Microsoft would be very interestingFeb 25 16:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: 30 if they learn to compete.Feb 25 16:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: if they don't learn to compete, they must be eliminatedFeb 25 16:59
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and i put little probability on them being able to competeFeb 25 17:00
cubezzzGates would have moved on to some new monopoly by thenFeb 25 17:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In USA, InternationalIntellectualPropertyAlliance demands Government to punish countries that make use of Free Software http://ur1.ca/niziFeb 25 17:00
FurnaceBoyhe moved on long agoFeb 25 17:00
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FurnaceBoythat's why roy is watching all his other tentacles so closelyFeb 25 17:00
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FurnaceBoyok laterFeb 25 17:00
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Going out for a long walk ;-). Will come back by 11.30 or something. I like walking in moon light \m/ sadly i can't eat ice creams today :(Feb 25 17:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian -derived #SimplyMEPIS Has 8.5 Coming, #Knoppix 6.3 Highlighted http://ur1.ca/nj5f http://ur1.ca/nj5gFeb 25 17:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Today Ubuntu Lucid Lynx (Alpha 3) will be released. Will go for Kubuntu. I don't like the way Gnome is heading. Dislike Gnome Shell :-(Feb 25 17:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Hungry. You know how hungry dogs in cartoons see people as big turkeys? That is happening to me right now as I type into this leg of lamb.Feb 25 17:58
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Bluefin tuna on verge of extinction? Tell Obama admin to act to save it: http://bit.ly/aOyuLKFeb 25 18:42
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Enough is enough. Tell Washington to end massive mobile fees: http://bit.ly/bB8UO4Feb 25 18:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ diablo-d3 Bluefin #tuna on verge of extinction? Tell Obama admin to act to save it: http://bit.ly/aOyuLK #fish #food #sustainabilityFeb 25 18:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If we can't save #tuna, we're unlikely to save any threatened #fish" Horrifying situation: http://bit.ly/aOyuLK Sign the petition (US only)Feb 25 18:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] This new old keyboard from a pentium 3 compaq is at least half as heavy again as the late lamented ibm. Build quality?Feb 25 18:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] I wonder if any software patent will help increase the quality of software in the way that we will be forced to look for better solutions.Feb 25 18:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Chattting today with a bloke who used to work for intel, he agreed that they broke an agreement with amd and shafted them, fine normal costFeb 25 18:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] He also said that back in 2000 they were worried about ARM but it never amounted to anything , it is about to.Feb 25 18:58
bruce89http://www.hadess.net/2010/02/were-removing-settings-again.htmlFeb 25 19:00
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MinceRreFeb 25 19:03
MinceRi mean ewFeb 25 19:03
MinceRi suppose adding an "Advanced" tab or menu entry to apps never happened to anyoneFeb 25 19:03
bruce89it's to stop the sort of thing that occurred when that person was banned from bugzillaFeb 25 19:05
MinceRwhat was it?Feb 25 19:06
bruce89someone said the usual "how dare you remove icons", and they were bannedFeb 25 19:08
bruce89http://leftyfb.com/?p=64Feb 25 19:08
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MinceRhad gnome not stuck to copying crApple at all costs, they wouldn't have removed icons in the first placeFeb 25 19:09
MinceRthey're really in love with jobs' idea of blaming all removal of functionality and dumbing down on "usability" and "user experience", things they know nothing aboutFeb 25 19:10
bruce89biggest storm in a tea cup since the Pidgin GtkVPanedFeb 25 19:11
MinceRi'll just keep using KDE :>Feb 25 19:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Massive poisoning of land&water supply by oil/gas industry? Not just in the Amazon- #USA too: http://bit.ly/brkBip #Gasland via @tomphilpottFeb 25 19:42
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Ender2070i just made my own fedora livecdFeb 25 19:46
Ender2070it has kde 4.4Feb 25 19:46
bruce89that UKIP arsewipe is to be suspendedFeb 25 19:51
sebsebsebbruce89: It seems you like this channel these days!Feb 25 19:51
bruce89don't startFeb 25 19:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Anyone know how to change the font size in Choqok outside of KDE? QT4 or QT3 config don't affect ChoqokFeb 25 20:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] From Kees (check it out @jameyjasta too) - Rammstein VS Cookie Monster - http://is.gd/9b9Q6 #comedygoldFeb 25 20:17
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sebsebseb_Goblin: alpha 3 has been releasedFeb 25 20:19
sebsebseba little while ago by the wayFeb 25 20:19
_Goblinsebsebseb: thanks I'll get it now....you've reminded me...I had forgottenFeb 25 20:33
sebsebseb_Goblin: ok np :)Feb 25 20:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] England football team, who cares it is only a game and worse a business, business and amorality go together like porcelain and skid marksFeb 25 20:59
schestowitzkde4 and chromium get some very good word here: http://linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-50-milestone-debauchery-linux-basement-0Feb 25 21:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] England football team, who cares it is only a game and worse a business, business and amorality go together like porcelain and skid marksFeb 25 21:02
bruce89I suppose I best not mention the six nations here thenFeb 25 21:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 RT @ diablo-d3 Bluefin #tuna on verge of extinction? Tell Obama admin to act to save it: http://bit.ly/aOyuLK #fishFeb 25 21:03
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Ender2070the guy runs fedora 12Feb 25 21:04
schestowitzbruce89: football??Feb 25 21:05
schestowitzEnder2070: yesFeb 25 21:05
cubezzzummm where do the wallpaper downloads go? Feb 25 21:05
bruce89almost, rugby (football)Feb 25 21:05
Ender2070some guy on the show you linkedFeb 25 21:05
schestowitzFedora has been good for several releases nowFeb 25 21:05
schestowitzFeodra 9 was the mess IIRDCFeb 25 21:05
schestowitzGave it bad reputationFeb 25 21:05
cubezzzoddFeb 25 21:05
cubezzzFedora 10 was pretty good thoughFeb 25 21:05
schestowitzcubezzz: .kde/apps/share?Feb 25 21:06
Ender207010,11,12 solidFeb 25 21:06
cubezzzI had to do a million upgrades on 12 before it worked rightFeb 25 21:06
Ender2070im loving 12Feb 25 21:06
Ender207011 and 12 have kde 4.4, its awesomeFeb 25 21:07
cubezzzmeh :)Feb 25 21:07
cubezzzI'm sure it's nice on newer hardware thoughFeb 25 21:07
Ender2070its faster than 4.3.xFeb 25 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why hate icons? http://leftyfb.com/2010/02/24/gnome-hates-icons/ Heated discussion.Feb 25 21:08
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bruce89you can say that againFeb 25 21:08
cubezzzah, there put in ~/.kde/share/wallpapersFeb 25 21:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Is JeffM a troll or what?Feb 25 21:10
Ender2070chromium works well in kde tooFeb 25 21:10
Ender2070integrates nicelyFeb 25 21:10
cubezzzI'm impressed with kradio and kaffeineFeb 25 21:10
cubezzzbut I'd still like to get AM radio Feb 25 21:10
Ender2070i LOVE okularFeb 25 21:11
Ender2070kopete, konversation tooFeb 25 21:11
cubezzzI lost a lot of range when I switched from VHF to UHF antenna Feb 25 21:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Please @ACassiano831trt do not associate me with Torrent downloads. I have reported you for spam.Feb 25 21:14
cubezzztorrents are fineFeb 25 21:14
cubezzzwhy are people so paranoid?Feb 25 21:14
_GoblinI know, its just 90% of them are unlawfullFeb 25 21:14
cubezzzalways assuming bad things :)Feb 25 21:14
_GoblinI'd say if a torrent is being faciliated 9/10 chance its infriging copyright.Feb 25 21:15
MinceRthe mafiaa likes to claim BitTorrent is only used for copyright infringementFeb 25 21:15
_GoblinI use Linux tracker, but I think the lawful trackers account for only a very small percentage of the total bt protocolFeb 25 21:15
MinceRi guess attacking an efficient method to distribute install images of FLOSS operating systems is just an added bonus to those criminalsFeb 25 21:15
cubezzzI'd probably need to use torrent to get old source codeFeb 25 21:16
MinceRalso for the works of artists who didn't sign into slavery for a major labelFeb 25 21:16
_GoblinMinceR: you probably have a point, but then as a justification for filesharing?  I'd say the fight is for the artists if they feel hard done by.Feb 25 21:17
cubezzzwhy not ban youtube as well? You can see the problem...Feb 25 21:17
_Goblinwe don't see Lily Allen tackling Mono's continued infestation.....Feb 25 21:18
cubezzzunless someone complains, it's got copyrighted material on thereFeb 25 21:18
_Goblinyoutube pays royalties...does it not?Feb 25 21:18
MinceR_Goblin: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/Feb 25 21:18
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cubezzznot sureFeb 25 21:18
cubezzzsome of the stuff like 1970's kid shows I doubt itFeb 25 21:19
_Goblinyou see I have no problem with people having the opinion that filesharing is ok....but....Feb 25 21:19
_Goblinthe justifications for it are very weak.Feb 25 21:19
_GoblinPrice of goods? - Simple buy ex-rental or simply wait.Feb 25 21:19
cubezzzyou see the 320x240 video, then go out and buy the DVD, it's win-winFeb 25 21:19
MinceRand surrender to the MAFIAA?Feb 25 21:19
MinceRhelp them sustain their abusive business models?Feb 25 21:19
_Goblini wouldn't say its surrendering.Feb 25 21:20
cubezzzyou never buy DVDs?Feb 25 21:20
MinceRcubezzz: i replied to _Goblin Feb 25 21:20
_Goblinsince the MAFIAA makes its business from infringments, I'd say the best way to defeat them is not to do it....Feb 25 21:20
cubezzzooops, sorry :)Feb 25 21:20
bruce89http://narf-archive.com/pix/835c62126ebb213b4bbd710732f4ac06c55c6fa9.jpgFeb 25 21:21
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cubezzzsome stuff it's on the torrents Feb 25 21:21
_Goblincubezzz: Ive no real interest in films, if a film does interest me, I will usually buy ex-rental from blockbusters,Feb 25 21:21
cubezzzit's = isn'tFeb 25 21:21
MinceRi've bought DVDs when i needed to spend my culture vouchers :>Feb 25 21:21
cubezzzhmmm, how much is a used one?Feb 25 21:21
_GoblinI can get 3 films for 12.99Feb 25 21:22
MinceRi also got some bundled with magazinesFeb 25 21:22
_Goblinand they are not that old...Feb 25 21:22
MinceRone thing that can work is obtaining music via p2p and donating to the artistsFeb 25 21:22
_GoblinIve paid about £20 to get all the harry potters to date.Feb 25 21:22
MinceRalso, a lot of the stuff you can get illegally via bittorrent there's no other way to getFeb 25 21:23
MinceRthat's another thing the MAFIAA likes to ignoreFeb 25 21:23
cubezzzwell there's always collectorsFeb 25 21:24
cubezzzsomeone could have some oddball recording on VHS then digitize itFeb 25 21:24
cubezzzI'm still looking for some SF stuff from the 70'sFeb 25 21:25
cubezzzthere was his guy who had telekenetic powers, and got his foot stuck in a railway trackFeb 25 21:27
cubezzzcan't remember the title thoughFeb 25 21:27
cubezzzhe uses the power to cheat at pinball...Feb 25 21:28
MinceR:)Feb 25 21:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Downloading Ubuntu Lucid Alpha 3...Feb 25 21:29
_Goblincubezzz: thats ringing a bell with me...can't remember the series either.Feb 25 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst hard to tel...Feb 25 21:30
cubezzzit was an electro-mechanical pinball machine if that helps :)Feb 25 21:30
cubezzzcan't remember if it was a made-for-tv thing or a movie Feb 25 21:30
_Goblinit was a series wasnt it?Feb 25 21:30
cubezzzuh, not sure Feb 25 21:30
cubezzzthere can't be too many telekenetic guys in movies cheating at pinball though :)Feb 25 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Download completed,...Feb 25 21:33
sebsebseb_Goblin: well as expected I am not impressed with Alpha 3Feb 25 21:39
sebsebseb_Goblin: not installed into a virtual hard disk yet, but been doing Live Session in VirtualboxFeb 25 21:39
sebsebsebthose social features which I have already seen, might be good once actsual accounts are set up to use themFeb 25 21:40
bruce89certainlt might helpFeb 25 21:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Proxies in The Way of Testing" http://bit.ly/9HF0tcFeb 25 21:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: US builds "loving, caring" fortress in middle of London http://newstechnica.com/?p=1642 (yes, i wrote something at last)Feb 25 21:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz OK, thanksFeb 25 21:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Cuban international medical aid shamefully portrayed on bbc as cynical hearts and minds political ploy.Feb 25 22:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Cuban international medical aid shamefully portrayed on bbc as cynical hearts and minds political ploy.Feb 25 22:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Claimed to be Cheating in Web Browsers Ballot #odf http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/25/microsoft-ballot-disregards-issues/Feb 25 22:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Dry. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/29639.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/543335.htmlFeb 25 22:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] How insulting, Danielson is a far better wrestler than most of the WWE roster, why should HE have to prove anything on Nxt? #wwe #roh #tnaFeb 25 22:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: Contact Your MEP! A very important issue is now open in the European Parliament. As former MEP David Hamme. http://bit.ly/bjaxfDFeb 25 22:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2X on “One of the Biggest #Security Vulnerabilities in the #Windows OS for Many Years” http://ur1.ca/nkgfFeb 25 22:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Cuba and bbc scheduled coverage for a few days, so far so poor, mark urban is one of few people at the bbc that would have done a good jobFeb 25 22:34
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Cuba and bbc scheduled coverage for a few days, so far so poor, mark urban is one of few people at the bbc that would have done a good jobFeb 25 22:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installing GIMP so I can edit a screenshot before uploading it to a bug report.. oh, finished installing before I typed this tweet..Feb 25 22:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Jannet street porter says she was an outrageous boss but not a bully, goes on to say gordon brown is (more or less)Feb 25 22:48
schestowitzhttp://tribes.tribe.net/niceasatick/thread/59714727-dbb5-4914-978e-db1a87b36a27 "There are people that embrace Evil - that *believe* that Evil is good - because they believe it serves them. It's a surprising blend of the stupid and the deluded that we find here, but don't be fooled by their seeming incoherency; they are masters of stealing your stuff and not at all hampered, remember, by any scrap of decency or scruple"Feb 25 22:48
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bruce89that UKIP idiot is on Question TimeFeb 25 22:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] She then goes on to defend margaret thatcher against charges of bullying.Feb 25 22:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Ukip leader is on, farage must know he is in for a grilling about his behaviour in front of our parliament (eu)Feb 25 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I am going to get a kicking for this bug reportFeb 25 22:54
MinceRhttp://www.theonion.com/content/news/latest_sarah_palin_speech_opensFeb 25 22:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Peter Hain my first memory of him was on a pannel programme referring to uk citizens as subjects of the queenFeb 25 22:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] porter seems to think bullying is a male only crimeFeb 25 22:58
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bruce89why aren't you allowed to say "banana" on TV?Feb 25 22:58
*DaemonFC is on his Wii :)Feb 25 22:58
DaemonFCBruce89: Because bananas are too hot for TV. You have to buy the DVD. Everyone knows that! :)Feb 25 23:01
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bruce89wow, Question Time: Too Hot for TV sounds worryinFeb 25 23:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] takes netbook off lap and worries a little about twitter.Feb 25 23:02
DaemonFCIt means there's gonna be boobs. And maybe bananas...Feb 25 23:02
DaemonFCoff to play MadworldFeb 25 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] netbook back on lap farage is coming under intense fireFeb 25 23:04
bruce89here he goes the plonkerFeb 25 23:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] last time i saw a question time like this it was nick griffin onFeb 25 23:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] farage is the sort of bloke who will wake up tomorrow and tonight will be water from a ducks back, the most scary type of personFeb 25 23:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] GIMP is overkill for me anyway, bring on Pinta! This is about my level http://bit.ly/b5jIzYFeb 25 23:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Politician talking about belief in the free market, bless him.Feb 25 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] haine looking at forage as if he is a little oddFeb 25 23:22
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lawrence Lessig is currently live http://ur1.ca/nklj #theoraFeb 25 23:22
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Wow, the Lawrence Lessig live video said Identica out loud :D #wiresideFeb 25 23:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @deathboyuk Facebook group to tell people NOT TO INVITE ME TO BULLSHIT FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR "FREE IPADS" and so forth. http://url.ie/57bmFeb 25 23:25
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schestowitzCan anyone do me a small favour?Feb 25 23:25
schestowitzGIMPing in a face of Bush with a Microsoft exec?Feb 25 23:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Then it all gets duller than you already thinkFeb 25 23:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] and i missed south parkFeb 25 23:31
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Someone needs to get the cellphone away from the mic on #wiresideFeb 25 23:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Further to the @LinuxFoundation ’s implicit acceptance of #softwarepatents, we present another new dilemma http://ur1.ca/nknhFeb 25 23:41
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MinceRcan't they pursue both methods?Feb 25 23:43
schestowitzhttp://personal.erodov.com/vijayninel/other-stuff/ballmer.jpgFeb 25 23:44
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MinceRnow that's just begging for pr0nifying :>Feb 25 23:45
schestowitzok, done........ http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/250px-George-W-Bush.jpegFeb 25 23:49
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MinceRewFeb 25 23:50
MinceRnot many will recognize that tongue :>Feb 25 23:50
MinceR(and by 'pursuing both methods' i mean amassing and pooling patents while lobbying for the elimination of sw patents)Feb 25 23:51
MinceR(and for the elimination of business process patents)Feb 25 23:52
schestowitzI know they won't recogmnise itFeb 25 23:58
schestowitzSo I was going to put another one of BallmerFeb 25 23:58
schestowitzMinceR: as RMS says, you can't go north by going east and westFeb 25 23:59
MinceRyou can, however, lessen damage on the short term while working towards a long-term goalFeb 25 23:59

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