IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 26th, 2010

MinceR	to use an RTS analogy, you can build base defense while preparing to attack (and eliminate) your opponent's forces	Feb 26 00:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dude, the phone problem is happening again #wireside		Feb 26 00:07
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schestowitz	http://webmink.com/2010/02/25/links-for-2010-02-25/ "Various EU politicians have worked out that “three-strikes” arouses hatred in voters. All the same, the motivation in introducing the legislation is to clear the ground for ratification of ACTA, so we need to stay vigilant as this is almost certainly window-dressing."	Feb 26 00:12
phIRCe-BNc	Title: â˜ž Discoveries « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 24.31 KB	Feb 26 00:12
schestowitz	MinceR: aye	Feb 26 00:12
schestowitz	"Dawkinsism" LOL http://edgeperspectives.typepad.com/edge_perspectives/2010/02/reinventing-the-sacred.html	Feb 26 00:13
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Edge Perspectives with John Hagel: Reinventing the Sacred .::. Size~: 44.05 KB	Feb 26 00:13
MinceR	i don't see "Dawkinsism" there	Feb 26 00:14
MinceR	hm, maybe i'm getting it	Feb 26 00:14
schestowitz	http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/all-source-is-open-source-to-someone/	Feb 26 00:17
schestowitz	BSA again	Feb 26 00:17
phIRCe-BNc	Title: All Source is Open Source to Someone .::. Size~: 35.44 KB	Feb 26 00:17
schestowitz	ping zoobab ^^^	Feb 26 00:17
MinceR	good article	Feb 26 00:18
schestowitz	ping zoobab ^^^iTunes sells 10 billionth track http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8536145.stm	Feb 26 00:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 89.11 KB	Feb 26 00:19
schestowitz	MinceR: it's a good site	Feb 26 00:19
schestowitz	He used to be here in #bn	Feb 26 00:19
schestowitz	Melton	Feb 26 00:19
MinceR	what happened to him?	Feb 26 00:20
schestowitz	He started a site	Feb 26 00:20
schestowitz	Mono-nono	Feb 26 00:20
schestowitz	Then moved there	Feb 26 00:20
MinceR	how does that preclude presence in #bn? :>	Feb 26 00:20
schestowitz	Every post from him is insightful	Feb 26 00:22
schestowitz	MinceR: he ran "Ubuntu and Me"	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	Like "U and me"	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	Before going more hardcore on Microsoft abuses	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	Writing about mono problems and getting abused	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	I'm glad we have another Groklaw-type site now	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	Mono-Nono is in sleep mode	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	Mainenance	Feb 26 00:23
schestowitz	He moved to The Source maybe to escape negative connotations	Feb 26 00:24
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schestowitz	Just my hunch anyway, I never E-mailed him	Feb 26 00:25
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1593620/uk-shuns-ecall-life-saver	Feb 26 00:31
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Uk shuns ecall life-saver - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 59.09 KB	Feb 26 00:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @garydunion: BBC to sacrifice 6Music in an obviously doomed attempt to placate Tories & Rupert Murdoch http://bit.ly/di4Vkn >>FUCK!!<<		Feb 26 00:32
phIRCe-BNc	Title: BBC signals an end to era of expansion - Times Online .::. Size~: 101.17 KB	Feb 26 00:32
schestowitz	Steve Furber in /. http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1716385	Feb 26 00:34
phIRCe-BNc	Title: A Conversation with Steve Furber - ACM Queue .::. Size~: 62.66 KB	Feb 26 00:34
schestowitz	He knows me....	Feb 26 00:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Harper: #Torture has no place among civilised people. When are you going to make real amends for #Canada's complicity? http://bit.ly/bn55i5		Feb 26 00:38
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Travers: Did we turn a blind eye to Afghan prisoners? - thestar.com .::. Size~: 68.93 KB	Feb 26 00:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Only WWE arrogance would have Danielson "proving himself"...#wwe hey! WWE you seen the competition to your product lately? #tna #roh #noah		Feb 26 00:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #WWE needs to realize that wrestling fans want to watch wrestling.....strange that isn't it? #wwe #tna #noah #roh		Feb 26 00:44
DaemonFC	"The mafiAA, Microsoft, etc. are like coyotes, they'll eat corpses and the elderly and sick and otherwise infirm because it's less of a fight. (and they get to make headlines!)" -me	Feb 26 00:50
DaemonFC	:D	Feb 26 00:50
MinceR	gn	Feb 26 00:51
schestowitz	Microsoft has another deal	Feb 26 00:53
schestowitz	Panasonic	Feb 26 00:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @jshholland: Have put all of @jonobacon's Severed Fifth tracks on simultaneously. It is incredible. :: Wow, even I wouldn't do that. :-)		Feb 26 00:54
schestowitz	http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5401	Feb 26 00:54
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft adds Panasonic to its exFAT licensee list \| All about Microsoft \| ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 96.22 KB	Feb 26 00:54
schestowitz	So sweaty Steve will sleep drier tonight	Feb 26 00:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Unleashes the Hounds on #Google While Abusing the Law with Warrantless Spying http://ur1.ca/nkuk		Feb 26 00:55
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft Unleashes the Hounds on Google While Abusing the Law With Warrantless Spying \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.76 KB	Feb 26 00:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Who cd have predicted factory farming of #salmon 4 #WalMart low-price palate wd result in horrific virus-borne plague? http://bit.ly/9MNLTO		Feb 26 00:56
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Chile's farmed salmon disaster - - Salon.com .::. Size~: 103.32 KB	Feb 26 00:56
*DaemonFC starts singing "I love fishes cause they're so delicious! Bacteria Outbreak!!! Bacteria Outbreak!!!"		Feb 26 01:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] old dead keyboard 0.63 kg new old compaq keyboard 1.3 kg this is not a competition but has anyone a heavier keyboard?		Feb 26 01:16
schestowitz	jono: http://portal.totalimpactltd.com/skye/blog/?p=70 "Needless to say, I think my days of using Ubuntu Server are numbered. Too much about how it handles itself just isn’t normal. Because of this, I’m forced to restrict most of my troubleshooting to looking around Ubuntu-centric hangouts. I was fairly impressed with OpenSUSE’s installation process the last time I went through it, perhaps its time to put Novell to test one	Feb 26 01:16
schestowitz	more time?"	Feb 26 01:16
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Ubuntu Tomcat Disaster .::. Size~: 22.12 KB	Feb 26 01:16
schestowitz	Unrest issue there	Feb 26 01:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] no add ons only the basic keyboard		Feb 26 01:17
schestowitz	DaemonFOX: what are you talking about?	Feb 26 01:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out Percy Pringles blog! http://percysposts.blogspot.com/ - For those that don't know, he was the manager of the Undertaker.		Feb 26 01:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Ford knows something about composition and lighting, perhaps a bit too much" Faint praise for A Single Man #movies http://bit.ly/ak9leO		Feb 26 01:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Percy's Posts .::. Size~: 78.52 KB	Feb 26 01:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Colin Firth: The elegant mourner - - Salon.com .::. Size~: 111.4 KB	Feb 26 01:18
DaemonFC	http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21488	Feb 26 01:20
phIRCe-BNc	Title: HUGE CITY DEBT FREE--Run by 88 Year Old Mayor with 92% - ZomgStuff Forum .::. Size~: 110.02 KB	Feb 26 01:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Mouth watering Jocelyne #French #pastry from Pain Perdu, 736 #StClairW (near Rushton Rd) #Toronto (delicious chicken sandwich too!) #food		Feb 26 01:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin you are either an insomniac or a shift worker.		Feb 26 01:25
schestowitz	http://www.androidguys.com/2010/02/24/nexus-event-cancelled-china/	Feb 26 01:25
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Nexus One Event Canceled in China \| AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 33.22 KB	Feb 26 01:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Australia warned #Israel against identity theft, nearly 20 years before #Dubai hit. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1152161.html #crime		Feb 26 01:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "We..raised issue of Israeli..officers using foreign passports & that they shouldn't consider using Australian p/ports" <-Downer is pathetic		Feb 26 01:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Poor old Alexander Downer, if you had balls you would have told #israel they'd be prosecuted for using any country's passports for #murder		Feb 26 01:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin tending to insomnia myself.		Feb 26 01:36
bruce89	sebsebseb: yes	Feb 26 01:36
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: bruce89 here's another music store one http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/20/u1-music-store-store-music-in-u1/	Feb 26 01:36
phIRCe-BNc	Title: U1 Music Store Store Music in U1? \| popey.com blog .::. Size~: 63.37 KB	Feb 26 01:36
bruce89	you see, i	Feb 26 01:36
bruce89	ESP	Feb 26 01:36
sebsebseb	bruce89: ESP?	Feb 26 01:36
bruce89	I don't think that article is that good really	Feb 26 01:41
DaemonFC	it sucks	Feb 26 01:41
bruce89	all it told me is how Ubuntu don't respect the XDG common directories spec	Feb 26 01:41
sebsebseb	he has another one	Feb 26 01:42
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: I'll tell you what sucks, or well at least without any accounts set up in the social features, yep Lucid Lynx Alpha 3	Feb 26 01:42
DaemonFC	the interface bothers me, the proprietary value-added crap bothers me	Feb 26 01:43
DaemonFC	I guess it was always going to end up this way	Feb 26 01:43
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: around next Thursday we can expect proper eye candy it seems	Feb 26 01:43
sebsebseb	background and such	Feb 26 01:43
DaemonFC	you can	Feb 26 01:43
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 01:43
bruce89	I don't understand why it's under Music as opposed to Sources	Feb 26 01:43
sebsebseb	anyway popey also has another one about the store	Feb 26 01:44
DaemonFC	http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/48396	Feb 26 01:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Download this album for free: Black Winged Butterfly - Jamendo .::. Size~: 122.7 KB	Feb 26 01:44
DaemonFC	not bad	Feb 26 01:44
DaemonFC	reminds me a lot of Metallica	Feb 26 01:44
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: the Lucid features I seen so far are junk	Feb 26 01:44
bruce89	I like Fedora's artwork, it's the GNOME default with a new folder icon and a distributor logo	Feb 26 01:45
sebsebseb	well ok there's Plymouth, but that looks like Fedora's at the moment	Feb 26 01:45
sebsebseb	I guess something more proper for that around next Thursday as well	Feb 26 01:45
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, Fedora has had Plymouth since Fedora 9	Feb 26 01:45
DaemonFC	default as of Fedora 10	Feb 26 01:45
DaemonFC	or roughly a year ago	Feb 26 01:45
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Mandriva 2010 has a nice Plymouth boot up	Feb 26 01:45
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: :)	Feb 26 01:45
sebsebseb	@ at the Mandriva one	Feb 26 01:45
DaemonFC	Mandriva One isn't bad, it's limited to 32-bit though	Feb 26 01:46
DaemonFC	I don't like downloading DVDs	Feb 26 01:46
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Mandriva One has a Live CD I am pretty sure yeah	Feb 26 01:46
sebsebseb	no need to get a DVD	Feb 26 01:46
DaemonFC	it shouldn't be brain surgery to install an OS	Feb 26 01:46
sebsebseb	yes 32bit from the company, but there's an unoffical version for 64bit as well	Feb 26 01:46
sebsebseb	MIB people	Feb 26 01:46
DaemonFC	they shouldn't make it brain surgery	Feb 26 01:46
sebsebseb	Mandriva Free has a 64bit version as well, and I think Powerpack as well	Feb 26 01:47
DaemonFC	Free is a DVD	Feb 26 01:48
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Ubuntu One, social features, and music store, are useless features for me	Feb 26 01:48
DaemonFC	Powerpack is a DVD	Feb 26 01:48
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: well I could try social features with say Facebook account, but well I hardly ever use Facebook	Feb 26 01:48
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: other people those features are good for	Feb 26 01:49
sebsebseb	Ubuntu is good for other people, but not that good for me anymore	Feb 26 01:49
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: The interface bothers you? the GUI you mean, the way they do Gnome with brown?	Feb 26 01:50
DaemonFC	no, the extra applets	Feb 26 01:51
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: the social features and such, the stuff on top right, are extra applets yep	Feb 26 01:51
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: it's one applet now, not two. social features is linked to what was there before :(	Feb 26 01:51
bruce89	DaemonFC doesn't like indicator-applet	Feb 26 01:52
sebsebseb	bruce89: which ones indicator-applet I am not sure	Feb 26 01:52
bruce89	the indicator applet, DaemonFC can explain better	Feb 26 01:54
DaemonFC	indicator-crapplet	Feb 26 01:54
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 01:54
bruce89	basically, it's a replacement notification area	Feb 26 01:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Going to add some more site translations into French http://boycottnovell.com/faq/faq-fr/ anyone who is willing to help, pls get in touch		Feb 26 01:58
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Foire aux Questions (French) \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.97 KB	Feb 26 01:58
bruce89	necessary because notify-osd is inert, and has no widget associatation system	Feb 26 01:58
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Bonjour	Feb 26 01:59
sebsebseb	wee	Feb 26 01:59
sebsebseb	and that's nearly all the French I know	Feb 26 01:59
bruce89	hopefully, you mean Oui	Feb 26 01:59
sebsebseb	so I won't be translating	Feb 26 02:00
*bruce89 wonders if en_GB counts		Feb 26 02:00
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: bruce89 http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/19/ubuntu-one-music-store-sneak-peek/	Feb 26 02:00
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Ubuntu One Music Store Sneak Peek \| popey.com blog .::. Size~: 177.16 KB	Feb 26 02:00
sebsebseb	I think I gave that link out here last night	Feb 26 02:00
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: The proprietary value crap bothers you? You mean Ubuntu One and the Music Store or?	Feb 26 02:01
sebsebseb	The Yahoo/Microsoft deal even?	Feb 26 02:01
sebsebseb	Bing	Feb 26 02:01
sebsebseb	Bing	Feb 26 02:01
sebsebseb	Bing	Feb 26 02:01
sebsebseb	Bing	Feb 26 02:01
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schestowitz	Heh. http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/02/want-out-of-googles-allseeing-eye.html	Feb 26 02:12
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schestowitz	sebsebseb: Bong	Feb 26 02:12
schestowitz	http://www.macworld.com/article/146570/2010/02/favoritewebsites5.html?lsrc=rss_main	Feb 26 02:12
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: Bong???	Feb 26 02:12
schestowitz	"kids, stay away from drugs and Bong"	Feb 26 02:13
sebsebseb	schestowitz: What?	Feb 26 02:13
sebsebseb	uh what?	Feb 26 02:13
schestowitz	sebsebseb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong	Feb 26 02:13
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Bong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 63.92 KB	Feb 26 02:13
schestowitz	"A bong (also water pipe) is a smoking device, generally used to smoke cannabis, tobacco, or other substances."	Feb 26 02:13
schestowitz	Bing means a "pile"	Feb 26 02:13
schestowitz	Of *	Feb 26 02:14
sebsebseb	Of star?	Feb 26 02:14
sebsebseb	of shit?	Feb 26 02:14
sebsebseb	schestowitz: ???	Feb 26 02:14
schestowitz	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704240004575085901098514146.html	Feb 26 02:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@scotteweinberg To combat the DM vira // you can move off #Windows. #malware #virus #security #fail		Feb 26 02:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We have a Shot Of Jaq Publicity Bingo Winner! Embed a Shot Of Jaq Easter Egg in an app http://is.gd/9cvee #shotofjaq #soj_u		Feb 26 02:20
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schestowitz	http://www.thunderbrowse.com/thunderblog/category/tbnoscript/	Feb 26 02:23
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schestowitz	Hm...... not compat'	Feb 26 02:23
schestowitz	http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/feb/22/busy-idaho-lawmaker-pitches-dozen-bills-including-/	Feb 26 02:29
schestowitz	gn	Feb 26 02:29
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sebsebseb	ianto and anyone else that might be interested http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022500535OPBZSW	Feb 26 02:36
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Linux Today - Corporate IT won't run Linux desktops because of the 'Skype attitude' .::. Size~: 79.17 KB	Feb 26 02:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] LoCo Stories: the Ubuntu Libya LoCo at the Technology & Science Fair - http://is.gd/9cAJO #ubuntu #ubuntulocoteams		Feb 26 02:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Warriors Of The World by Manowar. Possibly one of the greatest songs ever. Makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. \m/		Feb 26 02:50
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DaemonFC	http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100225/NEWS03/302259928	Feb 26 02:52
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Souder sides with Toyota \| The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind. .::. Size~: 31.05 KB	Feb 26 02:52
DaemonFC	Congressman Souder says that the deaths due to defective Toyotas are "acceptable losses"	Feb 26 02:52
tessier	DaemonFC: Aren't they? I know it isn't PC to say so and you can say that no accidental death is ever acceptable but is that realistic? Nobody will ever always built a perfect car every time. Toyota will fix them and we will all move on.	Feb 26 02:54
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DaemonFC	tessier, Saying that a recall is unreasonable is pushing that too far	Feb 26 03:00
tessier	I wouldn't say that a recall is unreasonable.	Feb 26 03:00
DaemonFC	anyone can fuck up and make a product that accidentally kills someone	Feb 26 03:00
DaemonFC	asking them to fix it is not unreasonable	Feb 26 03:00
DaemonFC	at their expense even	Feb 26 03:00
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DaemonFC	tessier, People panic when the accelerator jams down, but it's actually easy to stop the car	Feb 26 03:03
DaemonFC	shift to neutral, pull over, shut the car off when it stops moving	Feb 26 03:04
tessier	DaemonFC: The fiery crash happened just miles away from my house here in San Diego. I have driven that intersection many times.	Feb 26 03:04
DaemonFC	lots of people I'm sure would just panic and turn the car off, now it's still going 90 mph, but you have no steering	Feb 26 03:04
tessier	DaemonFC: I don't think the guy panicked. The car was tricky to turn off/put into neutral etc.	Feb 26 03:04
tessier	You have steering, just no power assist.	Feb 26 03:04
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tessier	I have had engines and electrical systems die on me at freeway speeds. It is manageable.	Feb 26 03:05
DaemonFC	not if the car is off	Feb 26 03:05
tessier	This car didn't have a normal key ignition.	Feb 26 03:05
DaemonFC	the wheel would lock	Feb 26 03:05
DaemonFC	= no steering	Feb 26 03:05
tessier	Only if you turn it all way way off past accessory. And even them I'm not so sure.	Feb 26 03:05
DaemonFC	I wouldn't do it	Feb 26 03:05
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tessier	Are you gonna make me try it on my way home?	Feb 26 03:06
DaemonFC	your call	Feb 26 03:06
DaemonFC	;)	Feb 26 03:06
DaemonFC	now I'm not encouraging you	Feb 26 03:06
DaemonFC	that looks good if I get sued late	Feb 26 03:06
tessier	Fine, I'll try it and report back. If they pull me from the flaming wreckage I'll shout "DAEMONFC WAS RIGHT!!!" in front of the news cameras.	Feb 26 03:06
DaemonFC	*later	Feb 26 03:06
DaemonFC	lol	Feb 26 03:06
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DaemonFC	tessier, If I was Souder I'd be pressing to put th hurt on Toyota anyway	Feb 26 03:25
DaemonFC	he represents an area with a LOT of GM workers	Feb 26 03:25
DaemonFC	and some Ford and Chrysler too	Feb 26 03:25
DaemonFC	why is he biased in favor of foreign car companies all of a sudden	Feb 26 03:26
DaemonFC	I know it's not about them being right, because the man has no integrity	Feb 26 03:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Canada won gold in woman's hockey. Yeah, ladies! Oh and I promise to get some work done when the Olympics are over. Really.		Feb 26 03:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Sometimes we all get wrapped up in the details of revolution, forgetting that a revolution is happening in the first place.		Feb 26 03:57
tessier_	DaemonFC: Home safe and sound. Try as I might I could not make the steering wheel of my Scion tC lock.	Feb 26 04:07
tessier_	I'm not sure if it is tied into the speedometer or what. Ah, I know what it is. As lock as the key is in the lock I bet it won't lock the wheel.	Feb 26 04:08
DaemonFC	wasn't that a Prius that had the stick the accelerator and kill everyone bug?	Feb 26 04:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @slashdot: Aussie Internet Censorship Minister Censors Self http://bit.ly/8Yb9Dy		Feb 26 04:09
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tessier_	DaemonFC: No. A number of Toyota cars had problems with the floormats. That is what happened in San Diego.	Feb 26 04:09
DaemonFC	ohh, why are they replacing the gas pedal then?	Feb 26 04:10
tessier_	DaemonFC: Maybe changing the shape so the floor mat won't get up over it. The bottom of the gas pedal comes very close to the floor.	Feb 26 04:11
DaemonFC	oh	Feb 26 04:11
tessier_	Once the floor mat is up over it there is no room for it to go back down.	Feb 26 04:11
DaemonFC	I drive a 15 year old Ford Taurus, I kind of expect it to blow up and kill me	Feb 26 04:12
DaemonFC	no surprises	Feb 26 04:12
DaemonFC	:D	Feb 26 04:12
DaemonFC	try to get a car financed out there right now	Feb 26 04:13
DaemonFC	it's ugly	Feb 26 04:13
tessier_	I had no problem 6 months ago.	Feb 26 04:13
DaemonFC	I should have financed one around 2005 when they were sending everyone those 0% interest things	Feb 26 04:13
DaemonFC	my credit isn't the problem, the problem is they upped the income requirements quite a lot	Feb 26 04:14
DaemonFC	so 2007 I could have had a decent range of cars	Feb 26 04:15
DaemonFC	now they won't talk to me	Feb 26 04:15
DaemonFC	"If you're not a sure bet, go away"	Feb 26 04:15
DaemonFC	is the vibe I got	Feb 26 04:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] From Krafty - http://is.gd/9dc0E - not entirely sure what to make of this. Strange and enticing.		Feb 26 05:51
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Jose_X	schestowitz, wanted to point you to a comment: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-25-020-35-NW-MS-LL-0004	Feb 26 06:04
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Jose_X	>>	Feb 26 06:04
Jose_X	It appears Microsoft has backed off (totally or mostly). Go to http://cryptome.org for the details, including the letter Microsoft sent to godaddy.microsoft'spartner.com asking to undo the damage:> We would like to notify you that Microsoft has contacted us regarding www.cryptome.org. Microsoft has withdrawn their DMCA complaint. As a result www.cryptome.org has been reactivated and this matter has been closed.	Feb 26 06:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Hacking on App Of Jaq #shotofjaq		Feb 26 06:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Unfortunately Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 test failed. Tried it from a USB thumbdrive on laptop. Downloaded it again and from a CD on Desktop		Feb 26 06:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] After booting the screen goes blank... Curious if other testers have the same issue.		Feb 26 06:12
DaemonFC	Mesa 7.8 is dropping Glide: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=e14a5b14b2db2ef2e744b49024ac341b998d1711	Feb 26 06:14
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DaemonFC	RIP	Feb 26 06:14
DaemonFC	looks like they're ditching all drivers pre-2000	Feb 26 06:15
ender2070	yeah	Feb 26 06:16
ender2070	10 years is a very long time in this industry	Feb 26 06:16
DaemonFC	ender2070, There's still hardware that old out there	Feb 26 06:17
DaemonFC	so what now?	Feb 26 06:17
ender2070	whatever they have pre-2000, is worth less than your countries dollar	Feb 26 06:17
ender2070	you know what cards had Glide?	Feb 26 06:18
DaemonFC	arguing about currency value is pointless	Feb 26 06:18
ender2070	3DFX Voodoo cards	Feb 26 06:18
DaemonFC	it's worth whatever banks say it's worth	Feb 26 06:18
DaemonFC	yeah, and people still have those cards	Feb 26 06:18
ender2070	no they dont	Feb 26 06:18
DaemonFC	I do	Feb 26 06:18
ender2070	if they do, they have bigger problems than drivers	Feb 26 06:18
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 06:18
ender2070	like, having to wait 5 years for their pc to boot up	Feb 26 06:19
ender2070	not having enough ram to even load X	Feb 26 06:19
DaemonFC	Voodoo 5 5500 isn't a bad card :)	Feb 26 06:19
DaemonFC	X doesn't need much RAM	Feb 26 06:19
ender2070	intel graphics 910 can outperform a voodoo 5	Feb 26 06:19
DaemonFC	doubt it	Feb 26 06:19
ender2070	lol	Feb 26 06:20
ender2070	geforce 2 can	Feb 26 06:20
ender2070	intel 910 can beat geforce 2's	Feb 26 06:20
DaemonFC	yeah, probably	Feb 26 06:20
DaemonFC	Nvidia had trouble keeping up until then though	Feb 26 06:20
ender2070	anyone with hardware that old is probably still running win98 anyways	Feb 26 06:20
DaemonFC	I've never seen an Intel graphics chipset that I could stand to use longer than it took to order a decent GPU	Feb 26 06:21
ender2070	im just saying	Feb 26 06:21
DaemonFC	the system came with Windows 98	Feb 26 06:21
ender2070	removing glide isnt that big of a deal	Feb 26 06:21
ender2070	nothing has glide support these days	Feb 26 06:21
DaemonFC	yes it is	Feb 26 06:21
DaemonFC	thousands of people still have those cards	Feb 26 06:21
ender2070	glide has been dead since geforce 2	Feb 26 06:21
ender2070	billions of people have better hardware	Feb 26 06:22
ender2070	those thousand people can spend $100 and get 10x better hardware	Feb 26 06:22
DaemonFC	so how does that mean anything?	Feb 26 06:22
ender2070	cant support people who never upgrade sirs	Feb 26 06:22
DaemonFC	the little bit of extra download to get 16,000 source lines of code is really that bad?	Feb 26 06:22
ender2070	otherwise, lets get all those ISA drivers back into the kernel	Feb 26 06:23
ender2070	gotta support my 14.4k modem, im never upgrading	Feb 26 06:23
ender2070	its madness	Feb 26 06:23
DaemonFC	14.4k modems still work for faxing :)	Feb 26 06:23
ender2070	stuff becomes obsolete every 3 months	Feb 26 06:23
ender2070	its insane to think you can keep running the same hardware 10+ years	Feb 26 06:24
DaemonFC	you can	Feb 26 06:24
DaemonFC	the software bloats, that's the problem	Feb 26 06:24
ender2070	dont expect speed	Feb 26 06:24
ender2070	dont expect new features	Feb 26 06:24
ender2070	and dont expect to be able to run the latest os	Feb 26 06:24
ender2070	because if you do, your in for a world of disappointment	Feb 26 06:24
DaemonFC	well, XFCE works well even on a Pentium II	Feb 26 06:25
ender2070	thats fine	Feb 26 06:25
ender2070	im mainly talking about drivers	Feb 26 06:25
ender2070	nobody has this old shit to test this stuff on	Feb 26 06:25
DaemonFC	well, if nobody is willing to test it then, yeah	Feb 26 06:26
DaemonFC	ditch it	Feb 26 06:26
ender2070	exactly	Feb 26 06:26
DaemonFC	you can't even tell if it builds	Feb 26 06:26
ender2070	im sure they didnt have anyone using glide anymore	Feb 26 06:26
ender2070	as no card in the last 10 years even has glide	Feb 26 06:26
ender2070	which is a shame	Feb 26 06:27
ender2070	glide was okay	Feb 26 06:27
DaemonFC	well, some of those minimal Linux desktops are what I was thinking	Feb 26 06:27
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DaemonFC	I guess they could build Glide back in themselves if needed	Feb 26 06:27
ender2070	UltraHLE, a n64 emulator worked awesome on a Pentium 1 with a glide-supported voodoo card	Feb 26 06:27
DaemonFC	I liked my Voodoo cards	Feb 26 06:28
tessier__	glide? Who could glide?	Feb 26 06:28
ender2070	ALL the later n64 emu's required p4s and higher	Feb 26 06:28
ender2070	i liked voodoo too	Feb 26 06:28
ender2070	I had a Voodoo 3 2000	Feb 26 06:28
DaemonFC	ender2070, They had no DirectX support on them at all	Feb 26 06:28
ender2070	but	Feb 26 06:28
DaemonFC	just Glide	Feb 26 06:28
ender2070	at the same time	Feb 26 06:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] JUST GIVE UP RIGHT NOW AND TELL YOUR PIRATE FRIENDS THAT YOU COULDN'T CRACK BLUE MAX http://donhodges.com/bluemax.htm #code #crack #c64		Feb 26 06:29
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DaemonFC	at first anyway	Feb 26 06:29
tessier__	oh, Glide the software. Right.	Feb 26 06:29
ender2070	I don't expect Mesa to support a Voodoo 3/4/5 anymore	Feb 26 06:29
DaemonFC	12 years is a good run I guess	Feb 26 06:29
ender2070	those cards belong in a museum	Feb 26 06:29
DaemonFC	I think the latest Voodoo cards were early 2000	Feb 26 06:29
ender2070	actually	Feb 26 06:30
ender2070	if anyone is running those cards still, are assholes	Feb 26 06:30
DaemonFC	why?	Feb 26 06:30
ender2070	global warming	Feb 26 06:30
ender2070	those cards are sucking as much juice as decent cards	Feb 26 06:31
DaemonFC	o rly?	Feb 26 06:31
ender2070	the voodoo 5 plugged into AC iirc	Feb 26 06:31
ender2070	anyone with an old pc is destroying the environment	Feb 26 06:32
ender2070	cpu's not only get faster, they get more energy efficient as they get smaller	Feb 26 06:32
ender2070	BUt	Feb 26 06:32
ender2070	if you throw out your old pc, it ends up in a landfill	Feb 26 06:33
ender2070	so im not sure what the balance is there	Feb 26 06:33
DaemonFC	o rly?	Feb 26 06:33
DaemonFC	Tell me more about this "global warming", Mr. Gore	Feb 26 06:33
ender2070	im talking of global warming in jest	Feb 26 06:33
DaemonFC	o rly?	Feb 26 06:33
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 06:33
ender2070	lol	Feb 26 06:34
ender2070	and al gore's movie is 100% lie	Feb 26 06:34
DaemonFC	http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4990/20100226012834.jpg	Feb 26 06:36
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DaemonFC	that is truly disturbing	Feb 26 06:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] standard-issue psychopath, high on violence, in somebody else's country,..deaths of million..consigned to cinematic oblivion		Feb 26 06:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ... Pilger's - probably the most faithful review you will find of The Hurt Locker. http://socwrk.org/7901 #iraq #war #crime #propaganda		Feb 26 06:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Oscars con game \| SocialistWorker.org .::. Size~: 25.42 KB	Feb 26 06:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Pilger: "worst of..nominees: #Invictus, Eastwood's unctuous insult to the struggle against #apartheid in Sth #Africa" http://socwrk.org/7901		Feb 26 06:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz #Pilger is, of course, completely on the money. http://socwrk.org/7901 You will enjoy this.		Feb 26 06:58
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DaemonFC	yes, it's PERFECTLY OK for other people to make propaganda films about us	Feb 26 07:00
DaemonFC	but when we make a movie, it's automagically an evil conspiracy	Feb 26 07:01
ender2070	?	Feb 26 07:01
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DaemonFC	ender2070, I don't know how these suckfests even get any money coming in, propaganda or not	Feb 26 07:03
DaemonFC	who fucking cares? :)	Feb 26 07:03
DaemonFC	I don't care enough to go devote 2 hours of my life an $10 or so to watch Invictus	Feb 26 07:04
shreddar	I just saw a article headline that said "Senator Al Franken is Requesting User Caps on Internet Bandwidth?".	Feb 26 07:04
DaemonFC	the story is probably a liberal brainwashing piece of crap anyway	Feb 26 07:04
DaemonFC	I'll be damned if I pay to watch it	Feb 26 07:04
shreddar	I was like who allowed Al Franken to be a Senator?	Feb 26 07:05
DaemonFC	it's one of those things that you know, going in, that you're going to get a biased portrayal	Feb 26 07:05
DaemonFC	who's viewpoint you watch is the only question	Feb 26 07:05
shreddar	Then I was like who allowed Al Franken to be a Comedian!!	Feb 26 07:06
DaemonFC	Al Franken is awesome	Feb 26 07:06
DaemonFC	Stewart Saves His Family was the best movie ever	Feb 26 07:06
shreddar	He's never been funny.	Feb 26 07:06
DaemonFC	cause I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me!	Feb 26 07:07
ender2070	Al Franken got elected because people thought he was frankenstein	Feb 26 07:08
shreddar	I don't know why people think he's funny. He's just weird.	Feb 26 07:08
ender2070	thats america	Feb 26 07:09
DaemonFC	ender2070, Wikipedia says the inaccuracies are mostly unimportant, like giving a line to the wrong person	Feb 26 07:09
DaemonFC	or typos in the credits	Feb 26 07:09
ender2070	if you dont like america, then you can git ouuuuuuuuuuuut!!!!!111	Feb 26 07:09
DaemonFC	ender2070, No, I just don't appreciate people lying about us	Feb 26 07:09
DaemonFC	like you	Feb 26 07:09
DaemonFC	and know they're doing it	Feb 26 07:09
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DaemonFC	you seem to live to misrepresent the truth	Feb 26 07:10
DaemonFC	it's sad in a way	Feb 26 07:10
ender2070	i should make a propaganda film against america and credit you	Feb 26 07:10
ender2070	and put it on teh youtubez	Feb 26 07:10
ender2070	"Ryan Gordon and America, love Rush Limbaugh"	Feb 26 07:10
DaemonFC	I don't know why you'd have to lie and smear people if you're right	Feb 26 07:11
ender2070	"9/11 was an inside Job"	Feb 26 07:11
DaemonFC	can you tell me why you have to resort to lying?	Feb 26 07:11
ender2070	"If you pay taxes, you already donated to Haiti, obama bought his birth certificate! VOTE RUSH!"	Feb 26 07:11
shreddar	Actuall that true.	Feb 26 07:11
shreddar	Ask any demolition expert.	Feb 26 07:11
DaemonFC	ender2070, You like to rant and rave and link to people who rant and rave	Feb 26 07:11
DaemonFC	where is their proof?	Feb 26 07:12
ender2070	shredder, project bluebeam	Feb 26 07:12
DaemonFC	where is the solid argument?	Feb 26 07:12
tessier__	Who requires proof anymore?	Feb 26 07:12
DaemonFC	the evidence?	Feb 26 07:12
ender2070	the plane was a hologram, and they exploded it	Feb 26 07:12
DaemonFC	the witnesses?	Feb 26 07:12
tessier__	Don't expect mere proof to sway anyone's opinion.	Feb 26 07:12
DaemonFC	Is that why you don't have to prove anything?	Feb 26 07:12
DaemonFC	Is that why you can just make straw men to attack?	Feb 26 07:13
DaemonFC	gee, never would have guess	Feb 26 07:13
ender2070	LOL	Feb 26 07:13
DaemonFC	*guessed	Feb 26 07:13
ender2070	im making fun of you	Feb 26 07:13
DaemonFC	ender2070 loves making straw men to attack	Feb 26 07:13
DaemonFC	he calls his straw men "Americans"	Feb 26 07:13
shreddar	The plane was real but the building structor did collapse because of it.	Feb 26 07:13
shreddar	did = didn't	Feb 26 07:13
ender2070	why didnt they find any plane parts	Feb 26 07:13
ender2070	the mayor had the rubble removed immediately	Feb 26 07:14
ender2070	along with all the gold from the basement	Feb 26 07:14
DaemonFC	ender2070, How can you prove your claims that they didn't find anything?	Feb 26 07:14
DaemonFC	The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation.	Feb 26 07:14
ender2070	nobody knows what was in the rubble	Feb 26 07:14
ender2070	its national security	Feb 26 07:14
DaemonFC	so prove it was all an inside job and a cover up	Feb 26 07:15
DaemonFC	or stop saying it was	Feb 26 07:15
tessier__	Didn't find any plane parts where?	Feb 26 07:15
DaemonFC	nobody can actually prove any of those claims	Feb 26 07:15
ender2070	lol you know im making fun of daemon right	Feb 26 07:16
DaemonFC	if you can't prove something, why argue it?	Feb 26 07:16
shreddar	There is lots of proof that they knew about it before hand and did nothing.	Feb 26 07:16
ender2070	yeah even alex jones the wacko knew	Feb 26 07:16
DaemonFC	proof or hearsay?	Feb 26 07:16
shreddar	proof documents.	Feb 26 07:17
DaemonFC	people confuse that all the time	Feb 26 07:17
ender2070	you mean the FBI file?	Feb 26 07:17
ender2070	saying there would be a terrorist attack	Feb 26 07:17
ender2070	the one rice ignored	Feb 26 07:17
ender2070	they knew about it so far in advance they even wrote a script for it for the lone gunman, hoping bush would see it on TV	Feb 26 07:18
shreddar	Actually lots of warnings were ignored. Lots of files and claims from those empolyed.	Feb 26 07:18
ender2070	yeah	Feb 26 07:19
ender2070	i dont have my mind quite made up	Feb 26 07:19
ender2070	im more inclined not to take the governments word for it though	Feb 26 07:19
DaemonFC	I don't really care what the rest of the world does to each other	Feb 26 07:20
ender2070	people don't realize psychopaths are attracted to politics	Feb 26 07:21
DaemonFC	it's so rare that someone makes a villain out of anything but the United States, it's almost nice when there's a genocide somewhere	Feb 26 07:21
DaemonFC	but then people blame us for not stopping it	Feb 26 07:21
DaemonFC	so who gives a shit?	Feb 26 07:21
ender2070	DaemonFC - like the USA made a villan out of USSR and Russia for the last six decades?	Feb 26 07:21
DaemonFC	Did you want to live in the USSR?	Feb 26 07:22
ender2070	hells no	Feb 26 07:22
DaemonFC	sent to work camps and re-education camps?	Feb 26 07:22
ender2070	soon to be USSA	Feb 26 07:22
DaemonFC	ender2070, You should go to Uzbekistan	Feb 26 07:22
ender2070	United Soviet States of America	Feb 26 07:22
DaemonFC	it's still very much unchanged from the USSR days	Feb 26 07:23
shreddar	Well, the truth is that we need people to call us out on our crap or we will end up like Russia or worse.	Feb 26 07:23
DaemonFC	complete with a Self Appointed Dictator For Life!	Feb 26 07:23
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 07:23
DaemonFC	they like to boil people alive as capital punishment	Feb 26 07:23
DaemonFC	they do the same to political prisoners after torturing them	Feb 26 07:24
ender2070	shredder - the trouble is worse than just the US though	Feb 26 07:24
ender2070	shredder - every country listens to the UN for policy	Feb 26 07:24
DaemonFC	ender2070, More dicking around and mocking?	Feb 26 07:24
DaemonFC	or are you serious now?	Feb 26 07:24
ender2070	no this is serious	Feb 26 07:25
ender2070	at least the common wealth ones	Feb 26 07:25
ender2070	and the US	Feb 26 07:25
DaemonFC	the UN wants to steal from the US to redistribute to the third world	Feb 26 07:25
shreddar	That's true and the world is sharing more and more policies.	Feb 26 07:25
DaemonFC	they've implemented it in things like NAFTA	Feb 26 07:25
ender2070	copenhagen would've been hell	Feb 26 07:26
DaemonFC	ender2070, They seemed to have this idea that people in countries that sat on top of diamonds and gold for millions of years would just get up and make something out of the place with billions of dollars in welfare dumped on them all of a sudden	Feb 26 07:27
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 07:27
DaemonFC	and it doesn't work like that	Feb 26 07:27
ender2070	carbon credits are a huge scam	Feb 26 07:27
ender2070	selling bags of nothing	Feb 26 07:28
DaemonFC	ender2070, I'll pay to pollute, why not?	Feb 26 07:28
DaemonFC	cause that makes the pollution not count, right?	Feb 26 07:28
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 07:28
ender2070	lol somehow	Feb 26 07:28
ender2070	the US is buying carbon credits from India	Feb 26 07:28
DaemonFC	uhhm, who is?	Feb 26 07:29
ender2070	the US is	Feb 26 07:29
ender2070	USA	Feb 26 07:29
DaemonFC	when does this happen?	Feb 26 07:29
ender2070	very soon or already	Feb 26 07:29
shreddar	What are carbon credits?	Feb 26 07:29
DaemonFC	Obama keeps talking about it	Feb 26 07:29
DaemonFC	ender2070, We should buy up all of China's	Feb 26 07:30
ender2070	carbon credits are basicly a measurement of co2 that you produce	Feb 26 07:30
DaemonFC	make our own noxious smog cloud to cover ourselves with	Feb 26 07:30
DaemonFC	keep the jobs here :)	Feb 26 07:30
ender2070	and basicly u buy your way out of it	Feb 26 07:30
ender2070	your paying to breath	Feb 26 07:30
ender2070	breathe	Feb 26 07:30
DaemonFC	shreddar, It's a tax that you pay and the government lets you pollute	Feb 26 07:30
ender2070	not just pollute, breathe	Feb 26 07:31
DaemonFC	up to the amount you pay	Feb 26 07:31
ender2070	cause you exhale co2	Feb 26 07:31
ender2070	and your tax money buys carbon credits	Feb 26 07:31
ender2070	so literally they are taxing your air	Feb 26 07:31
shreddar	Cohagen you got what you wan't! Give these people EARE!	Feb 26 07:31
DaemonFC	ender2070, Then the price of groceries, gas, heating, and everything goes up	Feb 26 07:32
DaemonFC	millions die of hunger and cold	Feb 26 07:32
ender2070	england taxed the air once back in medieval times	Feb 26 07:32
ender2070	they used to measure the size of your windows to make the calculations	Feb 26 07:32
ender2070	thats why the really old british houses have such small windows	Feb 26 07:32
DaemonFC	so don't put in any windows?	Feb 26 07:32
ender2070	people think its cute	Feb 26 07:33
ender2070	lol	Feb 26 07:33
DaemonFC	ender2070, Is that really why though?	Feb 26 07:33
ender2070	yes	Feb 26 07:34
ender2070	feudal times	Feb 26 07:34
ender2070	back then, likely you worked on someones farm and you were sold with the land	Feb 26 07:34
ender2070	along with your family	Feb 26 07:34
DaemonFC	sweet	Feb 26 07:35
ender2070	you also had to own a certain amount of land to vote	Feb 26 07:35
DaemonFC	yeah, we used to have that one here	Feb 26 07:35
DaemonFC	white man who owned land	Feb 26 07:35
DaemonFC	then it was men who owned land	Feb 26 07:35
ender2070	afaik in Canada you can still name land you own	Feb 26 07:36
DaemonFC	then it was men	Feb 26 07:36
DaemonFC	then it was men and women	Feb 26 07:36
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DaemonFC	yay	Feb 26 07:36
ender2070	so you can be Lord DamonFC of Douchebagton	Feb 26 07:36
DaemonFC	hey now!	Feb 26 07:36
ender2070	its just an example	Feb 26 07:36
DaemonFC	I might challenge you to a joust over that	Feb 26 07:37
DaemonFC	:P	Feb 26 07:37
*ender2070 pulls out a gun and shoots you		Feb 26 07:37
*ender2070 slaps DaemonFC around a bit with a large trout		Feb 26 07:38
*DaemonFC lets out a long winded British rant about "honour and decency", gasps, and dies		Feb 26 07:38
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ender2070	shredder, did a government agent just talk to you	Feb 26 07:41
shreddar	NO!!!!	Feb 26 07:41
DaemonFC	ender2070, I don't think they care who is voting so long as most don't realize there's a choice	Feb 26 07:41
shreddar	I mean no.	Feb 26 07:41
ender2070	heres why it doesnt matter	Feb 26 07:42
ender2070	you can't vote for the lobbyists or foundations	Feb 26 07:42
ender2070	when there is a new president, they have to listen to the same people	Feb 26 07:43
shreddar	We just need to elect someone who won't screw us over for money or power. We just need to find candidate who don't lie and then elect them.	Feb 26 07:43
shreddar	It's so simple I can't believe noones thought of it.	Feb 26 07:43
DaemonFC	yes, elect me	Feb 26 07:43
ender2070	the problem is psyho's rise to the top	Feb 26 07:44
DaemonFC	I won't lie	Feb 26 07:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Wow, we have done 30 Shot Of Jaq shots already since November. Thanks to everyone who has made the community so much fun. :-) #shotofjaq		Feb 26 07:44
DaemonFC	I'll scare the shit out of everyone	Feb 26 07:44
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DaemonFC	that's why they'll leave us alone	Feb 26 07:44
ender2070	you can't get the money to compete in politics without screwing people over	Feb 26 07:44
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ender2070	If I was elected president, I would take Microsofts money and give everyone in America a cheque evenly split	Feb 26 07:47
ender2070	oh	Feb 26 07:50
ender2070	where is tessier____	Feb 26 07:50
shreddar	Really if you wanted to deal with MS. You'd force them to make Firefox or some free browser the default and Open Office the default on Windows. That or follow open standards. They'd get a choice that would expire after 6 months.	Feb 26 07:51
ender2070	actually	Feb 26 07:51
ender2070	make them open source all their code	Feb 26 07:51
shreddar	And put in public domain.	Feb 26 07:52
ender2070	yes	Feb 26 07:52
ender2070	buahhahaa	Feb 26 07:52
shreddar	And invalidate all of their pattents.	Feb 26 07:52
ender2070	remove software patents	Feb 26 07:52
DaemonFC	who else could go for a diet dr pepper?	Feb 26 07:52
shreddar	I want one!!	Feb 26 07:52
shreddar	Ow wait.	Feb 26 07:52
DaemonFC	trying to motivate myself to get up and drive down to the gas station	Feb 26 07:53
DaemonFC	for some reason one of those hostess cupcakes and a diet dr pepper sounds really good	Feb 26 07:54
ender2070	i got this wicked ice cream	Feb 26 07:55
ender2070	sorbet i think its called	Feb 26 07:55
DaemonFC	I don't like that	Feb 26 07:57
DaemonFC	it tastes more like a frozen Orange Julius	Feb 26 07:57
shreddar	I've been thinking lately that Firefox not passing the Acid3 could be a good thing.	Feb 26 08:00
shreddar	If they passed it they'd be working on the Acid4 test right now.	Feb 26 08:00
DaemonFC	http://danielkitta.org/blog/2010/02/25/why-i-hate-qt/	Feb 26 08:00
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DaemonFC	lol	Feb 26 08:00
shreddar	But since they aren't that leave some time for the video element to become a real standard. And not just a place holder.	Feb 26 08:01
shreddar	Then they can make it part of the final test.	Feb 26 08:01
DaemonFC	hmmm, I should put jono's head on a pike in one of my doom wads	Feb 26 08:05
DaemonFC	http://planet.gnome.org/heads/jono.png	Feb 26 08:05
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shreddar	Is that jono?	Feb 26 08:06
jono	DaemonFC, lol	Feb 26 08:06
DaemonFC	:D	Feb 26 08:06
shreddar	jono is that your picture?	Feb 26 08:07
jono	yep	Feb 26 08:07
shreddar	What were you doing?	Feb 26 08:07
DaemonFC	looks like you need some milk of magnesia	Feb 26 08:07
DaemonFC	yeah, what shreddar said	Feb 26 08:07
shreddar	I reminds me of those heads that'd pop out every now and then in MK and go "Whoopsie!!"	Feb 26 08:14
DaemonFC	I was playing Madworld earlier, good game	Feb 26 08:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @PartidoPirataPT: @tnw_socialmedia Facebook Just Patented The Feed – What Does This Mean For Everyone That Uses Th.. http://tnw.to/15k8J		Feb 26 08:15
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DaemonFC	I especially liked that part where the cyborg bull pops out and you can't kill it so you have to jump on the subway track and get it to chase you and then hop back up before the train splatters it	Feb 26 08:15
DaemonFC	took me a second to think about that and I was trying to go after him with my chainsaw B-)	Feb 26 08:16
shreddar	Facebook own the newfeed?	Feb 26 08:17
shreddar	Does this include RSS Feed?	Feb 26 08:17
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx9V10PsLuw&feature=related	Feb 26 08:19
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shreddar	Facebook: Haaaaaa Haa Haa haaaa! HAAAAAAAA HAA HAA HAAAA! IIIII HAAAAVEEE THE POWEEEER!	Feb 26 08:23
DaemonFC	k...	Feb 26 08:23
ender2070	rss probably invalidates it	Feb 26 08:24
ender2070	lol	Feb 26 08:24
DaemonFC	well, Microsoft had channels	Feb 26 08:24
DaemonFC	those predate rss	Feb 26 08:24
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Definition_Format	Feb 26 08:25
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shreddar	That doesn't seem to matter anymore. In fact people have been patening thing that already existed aleast a century ago.	Feb 26 08:26
shreddar	I can't remember what it was but it had something to do with the radio.	Feb 26 08:27
DaemonFC	Active Channels support is only in IE 4, 5, 5.5, and 6	Feb 26 08:28
DaemonFC	it was removed cause nobody uses them :)	Feb 26 08:28
DaemonFC	RSS is the same thing and everyone uses them	Feb 26 08:28
shreddar	And now Facebook holds a valid patent for them.	Feb 26 08:29
DaemonFC	well, Active Channels actually went beyond what RSS can do	Feb 26 08:30
DaemonFC	you could navigate through your channels with the channel bar, and they'd be embedded in your desktop	Feb 26 08:30
DaemonFC	you can still call up the channel bar in IE 6 on XP with iexplorer -channelband	Feb 26 08:31
DaemonFC	errr	Feb 26 08:31
DaemonFC	iexplore -channelband	Feb 26 08:31
DaemonFC	the point of having them was that Microsoft could make the channel bar in every copy of Windows into a whorebar	Feb 26 08:32
DaemonFC	full of advertising	Feb 26 08:32
shreddar	If you have a website with RSS feeds you might need to fork up some royalty fees soon.	Feb 26 08:32
DaemonFC	bullshit	Feb 26 08:32
ender2070	real player had channels before IE	Feb 26 08:32
DaemonFC	Facebook got an invalid patent	Feb 26 08:32
DaemonFC	first time they sue someone, the patent will probably not hold	Feb 26 08:33
ender2070	if it holds once your screwed	Feb 26 08:34
DaemonFC	http://www.jsonline.com/business/85446887.html	Feb 26 08:35
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DaemonFC	woohoo	Feb 26 08:35
DaemonFC	get ready for another wave of foreclosures	Feb 26 08:36
shreddar	This is really not a whole lot differen't from 1 click shopping. The only difference is it's already widely used.	Feb 26 08:37
shreddar	That did seem to be a problem with MP3's or GIF's.	Feb 26 08:38
shreddar	did = didn't	Feb 26 08:38
DaemonFC	mp3s were patented before they were used though	Feb 26 08:39
DaemonFC	later MPEG patents came about because they applied further ways to optimize a compressed audio file's sound quality	Feb 26 08:39
DaemonFC	Vorbis achieves the same things in different ways, thus avoiding the patents	Feb 26 08:40
DaemonFC	my understanding	Feb 26 08:40
DaemonFC	FhG did try to FUD Vorbis by naming a patent it "infringes" several years ago	Feb 26 08:41
DaemonFC	but the patent they names expires October of this year	Feb 26 08:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] OK, long day. Bed for me. Goodnight, Internets!		Feb 26 08:45
shreddar	I don't know. I still think the courts might decide in their favor.	Feb 26 08:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Off to (boring) work.		Feb 26 08:46
shreddar	They just have to sue a really small defenceless company really quick while no one's paying attention.	Feb 26 08:46
ender2070	lol	Feb 26 08:49
schestowitz	[08:36] <DaemonFC> get ready for another wave of foreclosures	Feb 26 08:52
schestowitz	IIRC, Liz warren said that a quarter or half will foreclose	Feb 26 08:52
schestowitz	it's pretty grim	Feb 26 08:53
schestowitz	They printed some money for the bank to procrastinate	Feb 26 08:53
schestowitz	How much of the "stimulus" (euphemism for public looting) has been used so far, bar the secrecy?	Feb 26 08:53
schestowitz	http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100218/1045238227.shtml	Feb 26 08:53
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schestowitz	Heh.	Feb 26 08:53
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schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/business/data-centers/2010/02/-since-the-rise-of.ars	Feb 26 08:59
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schestowitz	"Cloud.........." say it after me, kids	Feb 26 09:00
schestowitz	http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1139_signs.jpg	Feb 26 09:01
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DaemonFC	Miguel de Icaza pimpimg Mono on the iPhone	Feb 26 09:01
DaemonFC	heh	Feb 26 09:01
schestowitz	Since long ago	Feb 26 09:02
schestowitz	Anything new there?	Feb 26 09:02
DaemonFC	he's still spamming Planet GNOME when he posts that crap	Feb 26 09:02
DaemonFC	Most people who have their posts put there end up saying something interesting and GNOME related, or at least one or the other	Feb 26 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lovely breakfast. Shame I clumsily just tipped half a cup of coffee over my HTC Hero. Seems to have dried out okay though.		Feb 26 09:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSA Lobbyist Francisco Mingorance Tries to Legalise #SoftwarePatents in #Europe http://ur1.ca/nm65 #eu #swpat #foss		Feb 26 09:14
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: I know	Feb 26 09:15
schestowitz	There was a storm over this	Feb 26 09:15
schestowitz	The one that led to a call for removal of GNU from GNOME	Feb 26 09:15
schestowitz	As surely you recall	Feb 26 09:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The guy that called for the vote to leave GNU pwned his Debian box a month before that	Feb 26 09:31
DaemonFC	thought he was on testing and blamed Debian for the bad upgrade of grub	Feb 26 09:31
DaemonFC	then found that he actually was on unstable	Feb 26 09:31
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 09:31
DaemonFC	never did apologize	Feb 26 09:31
schestowitz	http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158:jim-zemlin/288689:microsoftamazon-deal-nothing-to-see-here "I disagree with Jim on this. Why? Because to compromise with anyone over use of Linux and open-source software weakens the position of all of us in defending ourselves against bogus infringement claims. Suse caved, Red Hat didn't. Guess who gets my business?"	Feb 26 09:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Ubuntu One Music Store FAQ" http://bit.ly/chdAgq		Feb 26 09:51
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DaemonFC	more autospamming, schestowitz?	Feb 26 09:57
DaemonFC	(popey)	Feb 26 09:57
schestowitz	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CompactFlash-CF50/?kc=rss	Feb 26 09:59
phIRCe-BNc	Title: CompactFlash cards to get bigger, faster - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 60.05 KB	Feb 26 09:59
schestowitz	DaemonFC: why?	Feb 26 09:59
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Your logging bot makes sure his Google page rank goes up for having spammed this room	Feb 26 09:59
schestowitz	What?????	Feb 26 09:59
schestowitz	It's not spam	Feb 26 10:00
schestowitz	It's aggregated	Feb 26 10:00
DaemonFC	it's more or less what they were saying when Miguel spammed Planet GNOME with "Zomg Silverlight 4!!!!!"	Feb 26 10:00
schestowitz	jono: http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/289019:rocking-the-opportunistic-desktop	Feb 26 10:01
schestowitz	why? BEcause they sell MP3s?	Feb 26 10:01
DaemonFC	is one reason	Feb 26 10:02
DaemonFC	they sell WMAs too sometimes, that's unfortunate	Feb 26 10:02
DaemonFC	seems like this Ubuntu One music store is just going to be a dumb frontend. What's to say someone won't end up buying WMA files?	Feb 26 10:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA Stakeholders Consultation Meeting, 22nd March 2010 in Brussels, time for a good demonstration? Register now: http://i5.be/axf		Feb 26 10:03
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DaemonFC	and how's it supposed to play MP3s when Ubuntu can't legally ship with MP3 support? Fluendo?	Feb 26 10:04
DaemonFC	"You may occasionally find songs in WMA format. We’re working with our partner to remove these songs from the Ubuntu One Music Store. Until this is resolved, we don’t recommend purchasing these songs in this format. An MP3 version can typically be found by using the store’s search feature."	Feb 26 10:09
DaemonFC	lol	Feb 26 10:09
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*DaemonFC smacks schestowitz with a nice big WMA file from Ubuntu One		Feb 26 10:10
DaemonFC	:D	Feb 26 10:10
DaemonFC	stores them "in the cloud" for backup	Feb 26 10:12
DaemonFC	that sounds expensive	Feb 26 10:12
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DaemonFC	and and to make Ubuntu One even shittier, there's only half the selection if you live in the United States	Feb 26 10:13
DaemonFC	even though most of the material in that store probably came from here	Feb 26 10:14
DaemonFC	what a crock	Feb 26 10:14
DaemonFC	well, so much for me even trying it	Feb 26 10:14
oiaohm	Online backups always have transfer limitations.	Feb 26 10:15
DaemonFC	If you're not in the EU, you get shit for selection	Feb 26 10:16
DaemonFC	is basically what he said	Feb 26 10:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] BusinessEurope pushing for patent harmonisation with Free Trade Agreements (page 9): http://i5.be/axg		Feb 26 10:21
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/deutsche_telekom/	Feb 26 10:27
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schestowitz	"Dawn Brancheau, 40, a trainer at Sea World in Orlando, lost her life yesterday after a killer whale attack. Miscreants have wasted no time is exploiting the tragedy, as so many before it, by setting up malware traps designed to ensnare the unwary." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/killer_whale_scareware/ Not so friendly after all	Feb 26 10:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft to tax Panasonic over Linux patents now: http://i5.be/axh		Feb 26 10:29
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schestowitz	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253437/More-British-passports-used-Mahmoud-al-Mabhouh-Hamas-assassination.html	Feb 26 10:30
phIRCe-BNc	Title: More British passports used in Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Hamas assassination \| Mail Online .::. Size~: 80.81 KB	Feb 26 10:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA is legislation laundering on an international scale: http://i5.be/axi		Feb 26 10:31
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schestowitz	zoobab: LINUX patents?	Feb 26 10:31
schestowitz	I think not	Feb 26 10:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab it's nor about Linux (directly at least)		Feb 26 10:33
oiaohm	Really these companies are stupid.	Feb 26 10:33
oiaohm	Most of the agreements are over exfat and other items like it.	Feb 26 10:33
oiaohm	That lot of these companies agreed to be part of media standards.	Feb 26 10:33
schestowitz	It's a crap FS	Feb 26 10:33
schestowitz	And it's patent-emcumbered	Feb 26 10:34
schestowitz	Maybe Microsoft bribes them to adopt it	Feb 26 10:34
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/50_cent_suit/ "A Florida woman yesterday filed suit in Manhattan against rapper 50 Cent, claiming that he "unlawfully distributed" a homemade sex video of her on his website in 2009."	Feb 26 10:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Van In het Veld on criminal sanctions in ACTA: "National parliaments show so little interest in ACTA" http://i5.be/axm		Feb 26 10:50
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schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/02/obama-halt-home-foreclosures-prior-loan-modification-assistance/	Feb 26 10:53
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schestowitz	http://washingtonindependent.com/77575/blackwater-still-illicitly-has-53-weapons-from-u-s-military-in-afghanistan	Feb 26 10:54
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schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/02/olbermann-my-father-asked-kill-him/	Feb 26 10:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @medeabenjamin Former Paravant/Blackwater employee [..] told CODEPINK activist Tighe Barry at Senate hearing today "I'm gonna kill you."		Feb 26 10:58
schestowitz	http://github.com/maximkulkin/spreadsheet ODF with Ruby?	Feb 26 11:04
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schestowitz	http://phandroid.com/2010/02/23/lawsuit-city-caller-id-application-pulled-from-market/	Feb 26 11:12
schestowitz	"	Feb 26 11:12
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schestowitz	Software patents are patents on ideas, they can be way too general. Patents should only be granted to implementations of ideas, ie source code which is already covered by copyright. Patents are meant to spur innovation, but software patents do the exact opposite.	Feb 26 11:12
schestowitz	The worst part of this mess is that only the little guys are going to get sued because they don’t have the means to defend themselves.	Feb 26 11:12
schestowitz	I have a theory that if Big Software Company X were to try to sue Big Software Company Y over software patent infringement, Big Software Company Y would win and the whole software patent system would finally come crashing down. That’s why the Big Software Company X’s of the world aren’t suing other big companies, they just make idle threats, pacts and deals.	Feb 26 11:12
schestowitz	"	Feb 26 11:12
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schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/132324/index.html	Feb 26 11:14
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Omar87	Hi all.	Feb 26 11:26
zoobab	schestowitz: we have to create a giant troll, and go for mutual destruction	Feb 26 11:26
zoobab	no money, just injunctions to stop products	Feb 26 11:26
zoobab	and damages of course	Feb 26 11:27
schestowitz	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/BVM-AFLF08A/?kc=rss	Feb 26 11:27
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schestowitz	zoobab: you'd need capital	Feb 26 11:27
zoobab	because the big guys makes cross-licensing deals, they do not go for mutual destruction	Feb 26 11:27
zoobab	banks and edge funds	Feb 26 11:27
zoobab	writing patents is not that hard	Feb 26 11:27
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schestowitz	cross-licensing cartel	Feb 26 11:28
zoobab	the only solution is to develop the troll business	Feb 26 11:28
schestowitz	What will Ciaran say?	Feb 26 11:28
zoobab	go for maximum harm	Feb 26 11:28
schestowitz	For what goal?	Feb 26 11:29
schestowitz	Trolling more?	Feb 26 11:29
zoobab	yes	Feb 26 11:29
schestowitz	Or making a statement?	Feb 26 11:29
schestowitz	I can't see how this improves much	Feb 26 11:29
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zoobab	build and Intellectual Venture clone	Feb 26 11:29
schestowitz	And if you declare intention to f* up the industry of patents, then you have no sympathy from judges	Feb 26 11:30
zoobab	and get the money to finance lobbying	Feb 26 11:30
schestowitz	OIN used to say that it would crack the system	Feb 26 11:30
schestowitz	But it's just another pool	Feb 26 11:30
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zoobab	no no	Feb 26 11:30
zoobab	use shell companies	Feb 26 11:30
zoobab	like IV is doing	Feb 26 11:30
zoobab	a network of companies	Feb 26 11:30
zoobab	litigation by proxy	Feb 26 11:31
schestowitz	What for?	Feb 26 11:31
schestowitz	How does that fix much?	Feb 26 11:31
schestowitz	Gates has his own patent troll	Feb 26 11:31
schestowitz	Searete	Feb 26 11:31
zoobab	the more harm the better	Feb 26 11:31
schestowitz	And he put billions in NathanM	Feb 26 11:31
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schestowitz	Than call your company System BReaker LLC	Feb 26 11:33
schestowitz	And go break the patent system	Feb 26 11:33
zoobab	I have another plan	Feb 26 11:34
zoobab	much more simple	Feb 26 11:34
zoobab	but that will just kill the EPO	Feb 26 11:34
schestowitz	Sounds good	Feb 26 11:34
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zoobab	can you oppose a finish patent in Finish at the EPO? No, so unconstitutional	Feb 26 11:35
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schestowitz	Isn't the whole system unconstitutional?	Feb 26 11:38
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schestowitz	Jose X left some comments to that effect	Feb 26 11:38
schestowitz	There's something inherently incompatible with the USPTO	Feb 26 11:39
schestowitz	The founding father there too opposed it	Feb 26 11:39
schestowitz	Anyway, though, the issue is that the patent offices don't promote science	Feb 26 11:39
schestowitz	They now promote patent lawyers (trolls and monopolies with lawyers)	Feb 26 11:39
schestowitz	But it's a taboo to say it	Feb 26 11:39
schestowitz	And there are "useful idiots" like that Polish company Microsoft uses as a puppet	Feb 26 11:40
schestowitz	And then there is ACT pretending to be 3,000 SMBs	Feb 26 11:40
schestowitz	That's just criminals	Feb 26 11:40
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schestowitz	So people ought to be told that their cellphones or whatever is made worse -- not better -- by their patent system	Feb 26 11:40
schestowitz	Then people will push to shut them down	Feb 26 11:41
zoobab	oh yeah the Polish company appeared at several places	Feb 26 11:41
schestowitz	There's another one	Feb 26 11:41
zoobab	pushed by ACT and Microsoft	Feb 26 11:41
schestowitz	Andre sent me material	Feb 26 11:41
schestowitz	Fake case studies	Feb 26 11:41
zoobab	which one?	Feb 26 11:41
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/27/primer-jonathan-zuck-and-act/	Feb 26 11:41
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zoobab	Did you finally got the ACT contribution at the Commission?	Feb 26 11:41
schestowitz	Tribeka	Feb 26 11:42
schestowitz	zoobab: no	Feb 26 11:42
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zoobab	Tribeka is a MS puppet: http://digital-majority.wdfiles.com/local--files/start/BallmerLondon.png	Feb 26 11:42
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schestowitz	Let me mail the ombudsman again	Feb 26 11:42
zoobab	after that you mail the MEPs	Feb 26 11:43
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zoobab	I have another scandal to be published soon	Feb 26 11:44
zoobab	ACT: No additional approximation of the substantive patent rules is required	Feb 26 11:44
zoobab	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/27/primer-jonathan-zuck-and-act/	Feb 26 11:44
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/patent-system-blasted/	Feb 26 11:51
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cubezzz	KDE is a bit odd	Feb 26 12:26
cubezzz	Linux uses magic numbers for files but kview can't load a picture without an extension	Feb 26 12:26
MinceR	can gwenview load it?	Feb 26 12:27
MinceR	or kuickshow?	Feb 26 12:27
cubezzz	kview will load it explicitly if you say kview blahblah	Feb 26 12:27
cubezzz	but not with open inside kview	Feb 26 12:28
cubezzz	and I never heard of gwenview :)	Feb 26 12:28
cubezzz	same with gqview, no go	Feb 26 12:28
MinceR	i thought gwenview was the new default picture viewer of kde :>	Feb 26 12:29
cubezzz	kuickshow works	Feb 26 12:29
cubezzz	not in my case :)	Feb 26 12:29
cubezzz	remember: ancient 3.4.2	Feb 26 12:29
MinceR	then it probably isn't a kde issue	Feb 26 12:29
MinceR	ic	Feb 26 12:29
cubezzz	I might try to go 3.5.10 with fc1 though	Feb 26 12:30
cubezzz	I mean 8.3 filenames are kind of passé	Feb 26 12:33
cubezzz	although I must admit I still put a three character extension on a lot of my files	Feb 26 12:34
cubezzz	they stopped using the k at the front then?	Feb 26 12:35
MinceR	sadly, they use it a lot less now	Feb 26 12:36
oiaohm	It a processing time short cut cubezzz	Feb 26 12:40
oiaohm	Searching all files for there mine types takes a while	Feb 26 12:40
schestowitz	Fox lies.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxY7pK1Xw8	Feb 26 12:40
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cubezzz	it's no biggie	Feb 26 12:41
cubezzz	gqview even works when the extension is wrong, as long as there's an extension :)	Feb 26 12:42
cubezzz	raster images usually have an identifier close to the start of the file	Feb 26 12:43
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Omar87	Hi all.	Feb 26 13:19
Omar87	I just booted into Lucid Lynx, I found this awesome game called gBrainy, though too bad it turned out to be built with M$-Mono. :-(	Feb 26 13:21
Omar87	When I purged mono it was deleted as well.	Feb 26 13:22
cubezzz	just Microsoft's way of trying to worm into Linux	Feb 26 13:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A commercial version of 6 Music existed: early XFM. Worked hard, got licence, got ads, set the controls for the bottom of the barrel.		Feb 26 13:29
sebsebseb	Omar87: Oh it's made with Mono? :(	Feb 26 13:34
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Not quite, just loads of the Ubuntu developers don't seem to have any issue/s with Mono.	Feb 26 13:34
sebsebseb	Omar87: some pretty good apps are made with Mono, Banshee for example, but of course they could of been made with something else.	Feb 26 13:35
cubezzz	"Mono’s implementation of those components of the .NET stack not submitted to the ECMA for standardization has been the source of patent violation concerns for much of the life of the project"	Feb 26 13:36
cubezzz	I'd recommend avoiding Mono	Feb 26 13:36
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Good luck telling the Ubuntu developers that!	Feb 26 13:36
cubezzz	well...	Feb 26 13:37
cubezzz	I doubt they would listen to me in any case	Feb 26 13:37
MinceR	they don't seem to be listening to anyone	Feb 26 13:38
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Maybe Ubuntu like OpenSuse will become a Microsoft Linux distro eventaully as well, maybe the Yahoo/Microsoft/Bing deal is just the start of that?	Feb 26 13:38
sebsebseb	cubezzz: well 10.04 is a Facebook, Twitter, and identi ca distro	Feb 26 13:38
sebsebseb	of course those social features when it comes to the social networking sites, will mainly be used for Facebook and Twitter	Feb 26 13:39
sebsebseb	propritary social networking sites	Feb 26 13:39
cubezzz	Ubuntu has diverged from what I consider to be "Linux proper"	Feb 26 13:39
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Meaning what exactly?	Feb 26 13:39
cubezzz	well, they seem to be dumbing everything down	Feb 26 13:40
cubezzz	not using su for example	Feb 26 13:40
sebsebseb	Omar87: Shame alpha 3 sucks, well I guess it will be a tiny bit better with logged in accounts to the social features.	Feb 26 13:40
sebsebseb	around next Thursday should get the proper eye candy, since their user interface freeze is Thursday	Feb 26 13:41
sebsebseb	cubezzz: sure, but their target audiance is Windows users	Feb 26 13:41
cubezzz	"this is too hard to understand, let's remove it" <--- that sort of attitude	Feb 26 13:41
sebsebseb	cubezzz: their main target audiance	Feb 26 13:41
sebsebseb	cubezzz: before they didn't really do much for their "proper target audiance" ,but now they are	Feb 26 13:41
cubezzz	who has control? The programmers, that's it	Feb 26 13:41
cubezzz	and only with FOSS	Feb 26 13:42
sebsebseb	cubezzz: and only with FOSS?	Feb 26 13:42
cubezzz	yes, without source code, you are powerless	Feb 26 13:42
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sebsebseb	I thought the proggrammers only had control be that opensource/freesoftware or closed source, it's just users can suggest features, or pay to get something proggrammed in, for both types of software? well not always for closed	Feb 26 13:42
cubezzz	well let me re-phrase a bit	Feb 26 13:42
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cubezzz	if you have the source code and can compile, you have the power :)	Feb 26 13:43
cubezzz	but most people don't have the source code with proprietary code	Feb 26 13:43
sebsebseb	the proggrammers do what they want, if they want to re write stuff, when it's not really needed for end users they will do so, for example Grub 2 and GDM 2	Feb 26 13:43
oiaohm	sebsebseb: Really closed source programmers most of them are not in charage of their invention.	Feb 26 13:43
Omar87	sebsebseb, Mono garbage never seizes to piss me off.	Feb 26 13:43
cubezzz	it's not ideal for sure	Feb 26 13:43
sebsebseb	Gnome 3 again is it really needed? nope	Feb 26 13:44
sebsebseb	Gnome 2 could continue to be edited upstream and made better, for quite a lot of more eyars	Feb 26 13:44
cubezzz	I have some proprietary source code, and I'm very limited in what I can do with it	Feb 26 13:44
sebsebseb	years	Feb 26 13:44
oiaohm	sebsebseb: wrong with grub 2. grub 1 run into a tech limit so was not matching what users where requesting.	Feb 26 13:44
sebsebseb	Gnome 2 lacks this and that, hence Canonicals recent edits	Feb 26 13:44
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Grub 1 run into a tech limit???	Feb 26 13:44
oiaohm	Tech limit of its design sebsebseb	Feb 26 13:45
cubezzz	it's software creep that worries me	Feb 26 13:45
cubezzz	programs and operating systems getting slower and slower over time	Feb 26 13:45
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Ubuntu are trying to target the "ignorant mainstream computer user more" as a result they are making quite a lot of geeks, less happy with it	Feb 26 13:45
oiaohm	grub 1 does not allow for self recovery in case of lost configuration file.	Feb 26 13:45
sebsebseb	cubezzz: at the end of the day though, that's who they need to win over, to gain a more proper market share, and a profit	Feb 26 13:46
oiaohm	Something that was majorally harming users sebsebseb	Feb 26 13:46
sebsebseb	at the end of the day Canonical are about making money	Feb 26 13:46
cubezzz	I'm the Tom Bombadil of software, I don't care about marketshare :)	Feb 26 13:46
cubezzz	it's the Gate's and Ballmer's of the world that want control	Feb 26 13:46
cubezzz	I just want source code :)	Feb 26 13:46
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Mark Shuttleworth and other Canonical people want the distro to make a profit	Feb 26 13:47
oiaohm	Grub 2 will be formally released at some point.	Feb 26 13:47
cubezzz	I'm sure they do	Feb 26 13:47
sebsebseb	cubezzz: in the Grub channel you can't get support for Grub 1 anymore	Feb 26 13:47
sebsebseb	and that's been quite a while	Feb 26 13:47
sebsebseb	Grub 1 support is off topic	Feb 26 13:47
sebsebseb	that's what I mean	Feb 26 13:48
cubezzz	I don't think I'm even using 1.0 :)	Feb 26 13:48
cubezzz	0.93	Feb 26 13:48
sebsebseb	I hope next Mandriva improves here and there	Feb 26 13:48
sebsebseb	the stuff I had issues with little things	Feb 26 13:48
sebsebseb	nothing major	Feb 26 13:48
cubezzz	if you have source code then _you_ are your own support	Feb 26 13:49
sebsebseb	then I might end up recommending Mandriva to a lot more people :)	Feb 26 13:49
sebsebseb	that is people who don't want Facebook junk and such	Feb 26 13:49
cubezzz	some people still use AmigaDOS	Feb 26 13:49
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Ubuntu is trying to target Windows users yep, the Ubuntu Music Store is another example	Feb 26 13:50
cubezzz	although I admit manufacturers always do that... drop support for old stuff	Feb 26 13:50
sebsebseb	something that can be used to compete against Itunes a bit here and there	Feb 26 13:50
sebsebseb	Ubuntu One was introduced in 9.10, but Dropbox already existed	Feb 26 13:51
sebsebseb	as far as I know	Feb 26 13:51
cubezzz	no one tests on old hardware	Feb 26 13:51
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Your on Fedora aren't you?	Feb 26 13:51
oiaohm	Every software design has limits sebsebseb.	Feb 26 13:51
cubezzz	what if my motherboard lasts 50 years? :)	Feb 26 13:51
sebsebseb	10.04 will have Plymouth for boot up, Fedora already had that since Fedora 9 or whatever, not sure about Mandriva, but the latest one has a nice Plymouth boot up	Feb 26 13:52
cubezzz	yes, and I use a bunch of different versions plus I use Embedix which is even older	Feb 26 13:52
sebsebseb	Ubuntu does quite a lot of stuff, after someone else	Feb 26 13:52
cubezzz	I have to buy new crap all the time? No :)	Feb 26 13:52
cubezzz	I can use old crap	Feb 26 13:52
sebsebseb	plymouth after other distros, Ubuntu One after Dropbox existed already	Feb 26 13:52
cubezzz	in Cuba they still use 1950's cars	Feb 26 13:52
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Newer is not always better!	Feb 26 13:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Blowing snow. How nice.		Feb 26 13:53
cubezzz	yes, my point :)	Feb 26 13:53
sebsebseb	ok ethernet woudn't work on other computer :( in Ubuntu 8.10	Feb 26 13:53
oiaohm	Here is a good one singer sowing machines for leather are made new to the exactly the same design as 60 years ago.	Feb 26 13:53
sebsebseb	,but on this computer no problem, and was a great release	Feb 26 13:53
cubezzz	I have a customer who uses a Dell from 1996 still	Feb 26 13:53
oiaohm	And I do means exactly same design.	Feb 26 13:53
oiaohm	Parts are interchanagable.	Feb 26 13:53
cubezzz	yes	Feb 26 13:53
cubezzz	good idea :)	Feb 26 13:53
sebsebseb	cubezzz: yes good idea?	Feb 26 13:54
cubezzz	oiaohm's comment on interchangable parts	Feb 26 13:54
oiaohm	Computer world has not had enough time to stablise yet.	Feb 26 13:54
sebsebseb	The Ubuntu community is full of noobs	Feb 26 13:54
sebsebseb	and community members and other people who have used it for quite a while	Feb 26 13:54
sebsebseb	,but mainly noobs it seems	Feb 26 13:55
sebsebseb	that don't know much about Desktop Linux	Feb 26 13:55
cubezzz	I predicted a while ago that computers would top out at a certain speed and people would buy new computers less and less	Feb 26 13:55
oiaohm	That is already happening.	Feb 26 13:55
oiaohm	Personally I expect what we call a PC to basically disappear.	Feb 26 13:55
oiaohm	Like TV phones and other devices pick up the slack.	Feb 26 13:56
MinceR	i don't expect it to	Feb 26 13:56
sebsebseb	I am not so sure about Ubuntu anymore, I guess really Windows is better in a way, except for all those security issues.	Feb 26 13:56
MinceR	maybe the unwashed masses won't have them, but there will always be demand for them	Feb 26 13:56
cubezzz	heh, windows is not better in any way	Feb 26 13:56
MinceR	for pc gaming, for example	Feb 26 13:56
sebsebseb	cubezzz: nice graphical control panel	Feb 26 13:56
cubezzz	I have fought with doze since version 2.0 and it's always been crap	Feb 26 13:56
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Ubuntu lacks that, Mandriva has something :)	Feb 26 13:57
oiaohm	Servers yes PC most likely no. MinceR	Feb 26 13:57
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Windows control panel is pretty good really	Feb 26 13:57
oiaohm	More and more gaming these days are console. MinceR	Feb 26 13:57
MinceR	servers will have excessive lag for games :>	Feb 26 13:57
MinceR	consoles will never be able to do what pcs can for gaming	Feb 26 13:57
sebsebseb	Ubuntu is turning into a crap distro it seems	Feb 26 13:57
MinceR	no modding, no homebrew, no high performance, no nothing	Feb 26 13:57
sebsebseb	luckily for them, most of the noobs have no idea	Feb 26 13:57
cubezzz	sebsebseb, you have to give money to predatory billionaires...	Feb 26 13:57
cubezzz	philsophically untenable	Feb 26 13:58
sebsebseb	what's annoying really though is, how if stuff doesn't just work on Ubuntu wireless for example, a lot of people will give up and just go back to Windows	Feb 26 13:58
oiaohm	I am more thinking home server for gaming. MinceR. Ie server has a game interface basically kvm to where ever console is. MinceR	Feb 26 13:58
sebsebseb	not try another distro, Mandriva for example	Feb 26 13:58
cubezzz	and no ARM	Feb 26 13:58
oiaohm	End of what we class as a PC. More a form of Item that can follow us. MinceR	Feb 26 13:58
cubezzz	the keyboard will never die :)	Feb 26 13:59
sebsebseb	yeah maybe Ubuntu will be more like Windows soon	Feb 26 13:59
sebsebseb	an OS that	Feb 26 13:59
sebsebseb	computer ignorants that don't know better use	Feb 26 13:59
sebsebseb	in this case ignorants that don't know about other good distros	Feb 26 13:59
oiaohm	Ubuntu is not the first distribution to do what Ubuntu has done. Think early mandrake	Feb 26 13:59
cubezzz	"time to pay the Microsoft tax" <--- repeat every few years	Feb 26 13:59
MinceR	oiaohm: i think that sort of 'basically kvm' will be way too lagged for a long time.	Feb 26 13:59
sebsebseb	oiaohm: yes I know Mandrake/Mandriva used to have the market Ubuntu has now	Feb 26 14:00
cubezzz	sebsebseb, plenty of non-Ubuntu choices out there	Feb 26 14:00
oiaohm	Really not MinceR. If you can stream a video stream fast enough it works.	Feb 26 14:00
sebsebseb	cubezzz: yep and that aren't based on Ubuntu or Debian, and that are good, and that many unhappy Ubuntu users that are new, won't just try, because they will just go back to Windows instead	Feb 26 14:00
oiaohm	Systems doing it already exist MinceR	Feb 26 14:00
sebsebseb	cubezzz: remember a lot of people think Linux = Ubuntu these days	Feb 26 14:00
MinceR	oiaohm: nope, that's only half the story. you also need to send the inputs quickly, and this isn't about bandwidth, it's about delay and jitter.	Feb 26 14:01
sebsebseb	cubezzz: quite a lot of people don't now what a distro or distribution is, that have tried Ubuntu	Feb 26 14:01
MinceR	i know there are two attempts to make it work and iirc tests show that they don't work well where low delay is needed	Feb 26 14:01
cubezzz	yes, that's a different world	Feb 26 14:01
MinceR	FPSes, for example	Feb 26 14:01
oiaohm	Under 100 meters of cable to server not large enough effect. Human reflexs are way worse. MinceR	Feb 26 14:01
MinceR	they stack.	Feb 26 14:02
MinceR	then again, if everyone had a home server to run the game on and interface with it via thin clients, that might work... when they're at home.	Feb 26 14:02
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Mandrake/Mandriva failed at having most market share	Feb 26 14:02
sebsebseb	oiaohm: I am not sure of the story	Feb 26 14:02
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Ubuntu might fail as well soon. This is maybe just the start of it now.	Feb 26 14:03
sebsebseb	that's not that good if distros get most of the market share for Desktop Linux, and then fail in a few years or so.	Feb 26 14:03
sebsebseb	somebody described Ubuntu as being like Linspire now	Feb 26 14:04
sebsebseb	indeed it is, becoming a bit more like Linspire I guess.	Feb 26 14:04
cubezzz	yes	Feb 26 14:04
cubezzz	the comparison is apt	Feb 26 14:04
sebsebseb	cubezzz: the comparision is apt???	Feb 26 14:05
MinceR	well, it isn't yum	Feb 26 14:05
oiaohm	MinceR: I am not talking about sending this across net. Internet is too uncontrolled. More the end of the home pc. And home server and interfaces appear. Main reason flexibility and noise. Its really hard to build a soundless powerful computer.	Feb 26 14:05
sebsebseb	Desktop Linux is a bit hrm these days	Feb 26 14:05
sebsebseb	all this stuff changing	Feb 26 14:05
sebsebseb	Gnome 3 is the next major change	Feb 26 14:05
MinceR	oiaohm: i suspect that such a server will still be more than anything a pc	Feb 26 14:06
sebsebseb	maybe something like haiku will hit off more properly some how	Feb 26 14:06
sebsebseb	I think that was the name, that BEOS like OS	Feb 26 14:06
oiaohm	I am more talking about how it will be used MinceR	Feb 26 14:06
MinceR	haiku is just beos, with all its limitations	Feb 26 14:06
oiaohm	Even if the hardware stays basically releated. MinceR	Feb 26 14:06
MinceR	oiaohm: ic	Feb 26 14:06
sebsebseb	maybe PC BSD will gain market share, some how, but only if Desktop Linux starts to fail more, I guess	Feb 26 14:07
cubezzz	I tried BeOS a while ago	Feb 26 14:07
MinceR	PC-BSD, where installing Gnome is likely to break the system? :>	Feb 26 14:07
oiaohm	Basicallly the way we are using computer hardware is changing.	Feb 26 14:07
cubezzz	Linux is where all the action is	Feb 26 14:07
oiaohm	I even expect windows home server at some point to start suporting thin clients.	Feb 26 14:08
sebsebseb	maybe it won't matter, that Ubuntu is starting to mess up for some us, in a year or two or something	Feb 26 14:08
sebsebseb	,because	Feb 26 14:08
sebsebseb	mobile computing will have hit off a lot more	Feb 26 14:08
oiaohm	Really think in terms of value to Linux.	Feb 26 14:11
oiaohm	Linux needs companies to employ developers to work on Linux.	Feb 26 14:11
oiaohm	embeded markets like phone makers are ripe pickings.	Feb 26 14:12
oiaohm	Desktop market is really quite poor pickings.	Feb 26 14:12
cubezzz	", previously known as LindowsOS, was a commercial operating system based on Debian GNU/Linux and later Ubuntu"	Feb 26 14:13
sebsebseb	"some of us"	Feb 26 14:14
cubezzz	"O August 8, 2008, Andreas Typaldos, CEO of Xandros, announced that Linspire would be discontinued in favor of Xandros, Freespire would change its base code from Ubuntu to Debian, and the Linspire brand would cease to exist"	Feb 26 14:14
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Lindows/Linspire was hated by certain people in the Linux Community or whatever	Feb 26 14:14
cubezzz	so no more Linspire :)	Feb 26 14:14
sebsebseb	cubezzz: however then the Freespire version as well yep :)	Feb 26 14:14
sebsebseb	and Linspire and Freespire were interesting projects to follow really and such	Feb 26 14:14
cubezzz	I still like Fedora	Feb 26 14:14
sebsebseb	and I tried an old Freespire or two	Feb 26 14:14
sebsebseb	and maybe Linspire as well	Feb 26 14:14
sebsebseb	virtual machine I think or Live CD	Feb 26 14:15
oiaohm	Change from Lindows when there was not legal requirement upset quite a few people sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:15
oiaohm	Annoying MS has always been seen as a sport.	Feb 26 14:15
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sebsebseb	oiaohm: When there was not legal requirement?	Feb 26 14:15
sebsebseb	oiaohm: They didn't have to re name from Lindows to Linspire?	Feb 26 14:15
cubezzz	yes	Feb 26 14:15
sebsebseb	oh	Feb 26 14:15
sebsebseb	well Lindows could of been a better name then	Feb 26 14:16
sebsebseb	plus yeah it seems more "offical" from Microsoft type name	Feb 26 14:16
sebsebseb	Xandros bought Linspire yep, and became a bit of a joke on the EEPC really?	Feb 26 14:16
sebsebseb	the amount of people who would replace Xandros with a better distro?	Feb 26 14:16
cubezzz	I never hear people talk about Xandros	Feb 26 14:17
oiaohm	MS paid for the rename from Lindows to Linspire	Feb 26 14:18
sebsebseb	hrm that's interesting I don't reemmber trying Linspire or Freespire, pretty sure I did some how though	Feb 26 14:18
oiaohm	There was no legal reason to change. sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:18
sebsebseb	what's happended to Xandros now?	Feb 26 14:18
cubezzz	rather deadish :)	Feb 26 14:19
sebsebseb	as far as I see it, for new users, it's Ubuntu or Mandriva	Feb 26 14:19
sebsebseb	Mint and other distros based on Ubuntu, that's silly to do that	Feb 26 14:19
sebsebseb	OpenSuse uhmm no since they get funding from Novell/Microsoft, the patents deal etc	Feb 26 14:19
cubezzz	the big 3 are Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora	Feb 26 14:19
sebsebseb	and Debian I don't really see as being a good distro for new users	Feb 26 14:19
sebsebseb	,because of how they do releases	Feb 26 14:19
sebsebseb	Fedora is more cutting edge, it's really for intermediate users, not newbies	Feb 26 14:20
sebsebseb	so yep Ubuntu or Mandriva	Feb 26 14:20
oiaohm	Saddly Fedora can be better for new users than Ubuntu	Feb 26 14:20
oiaohm	Less stuff screwing up randomly sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:20
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Fedora won't always install	Feb 26 14:20
oiaohm	neither does Ubuntu sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:20
sebsebseb	oiaohm: also I thought Fedora is more likely to brake than Ubuntu	Feb 26 14:20
oiaohm	Less current day sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:21
sebsebseb	I suppouse we could recommend CentOS to new users :D I mean desktop users	Feb 26 14:21
sebsebseb	,but not many of us would do that, if any of us	Feb 26 14:21
oiaohm	Fedora upstream policy has majorally stablised things sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:21
oiaohm	Pre the upstream policy Fedora was scary as hell.	Feb 26 14:21
sebsebseb	oiaohm: I had Ubuntu and Vista on the computer, I wanted to replace my Ubuntu / partition with Fedora 11	Feb 26 14:21
sebsebseb	oiaohm: I told it to do a custom install, I tried to delete the partition and make a new, and error	Feb 26 14:21
cubezzz	I install mostly Fedora for people who want Linux	Feb 26 14:22
sebsebseb	oiaohm: basically told me something had gone wrong, it was a probably a bug, and I should report it, and told me how to do that	Feb 26 14:22
sebsebseb	maybe Fedora's installer has improved a bit since then, however thing is apparnatly loads of installer bugs were fixed in Fedora 11's installer, but yet I got one	Feb 26 14:23
oiaohm	Seen 9.10 ubuntu jam up doign the same kind of things by the way. sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:23
sebsebseb	oiaohm: some computers Ubuntu won't install on it seems, but most it will	Feb 26 14:23
sebsebseb	PC's when talking computers in that context	Feb 26 14:23
oiaohm	I have cases due to fedora being ahead in kernel where both install.	Feb 26 14:23
oiaohm	Yet Ubuntu is highly unstable.	Feb 26 14:24
oiaohm	Cause back ported drivers not being intergrated into kernel right sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:24
sebsebseb	oiaohm: well they take a snapshot of Debian	Feb 26 14:24
sebsebseb	and then do their changes	Feb 26 14:24
oiaohm	Its ubuntu changes that bring the house down sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:24
oiaohm	Not check well enough.	Feb 26 14:24
sebsebseb	oiaohm: yep Ubuntu is a bit crappy now days	Feb 26 14:24
oiaohm	Fedora upstream first policy ie where patches are sent up stream have cut the problems down for fedora a lot.	Feb 26 14:25
sebsebseb	,but yet jono will be saying this and that is awesome about it, heh heh	Feb 26 14:25
sebsebseb	for obvious reasons I guess :D	Feb 26 14:25
sebsebseb	since he works for Canonical	Feb 26 14:25
oiaohm	Upstream developers normally know more about the code than any single maintainer could hope to know.	Feb 26 14:25
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Ubuntu 10.04 will use 2.6.22	Feb 26 14:26
oiaohm	Ubuntu is trying to get a upstream policy in place.	Feb 26 14:26
oiaohm	Really why sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:26
sebsebseb	or is that 32	Feb 26 14:26
oiaohm	Ubuntu has back ported huge blocks of 2.6.33 into 2.6.32 so it basically not .32 any more.	Feb 26 14:26
oiaohm	But some bastard beast you hope works.	Feb 26 14:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The EU Commission maintains that any criminal action should be for infringements on a large, commercial scale only: http://i5.be/axt		Feb 26 14:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Kubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 booted without any problems from USB thumbdrive works fine.		Feb 26 14:27
sebsebseb	oiaohm: yes 2.6.32	Feb 26 14:27
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sebsebseb	oiaohm: the one that's meant to be maintained upstream for two years	Feb 26 14:27
oiaohm	How can ubuntu intergrate the upstream patches thinkign they cross breed it.	Feb 26 14:27
sebsebseb	oiaohm: and then Ubuntu will have to support it them selves, eventaully	Feb 26 14:27
oiaohm	Straight off bat by the way sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:27
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sebsebseb	oiaohm: 10.04 will be supported three years on the desktop, and five on the server	Feb 26 14:28
oiaohm	There are all ready patches for 2.6.32.1 that will not go into the ubuntu kernel stable.	Feb 26 14:28
sebsebseb	oiaohm: straight off bat? you mean they become the upstream for it? and yeah I know, they got to do it on their own	Feb 26 14:28
oiaohm	They are on there own straight off bat. sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:28
oiaohm	the two years of 2.6.32 will be no use to them. sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:28
sebsebseb	oiaohm: I don't know what you mean, I am not that good at sayings.	Feb 26 14:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Inducing copyright infringement will be in ACTA: http://i5.be/axu		Feb 26 14:29
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oiaohm	Since the maintaince patches over the 2 years of support for 2.6.32 are not going to merge due to the patches they back ported from 2.6.33 sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:29
sebsebseb	oiaohm: oh	Feb 26 14:29
oiaohm	Basically 10.04 kernel is not 2.6.32	Feb 26 14:29
sebsebseb	oiaohm: well they are just making things difficult for themselves maybe?	Feb 26 14:29
oiaohm	Yep more than difficult.	Feb 26 14:30
sebsebseb	oiaohm: if they didn't have this security updates only policy from the main repos, they could just put in later kernels them selves	Feb 26 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Konqueror now asks at first startup if you want to install additional plugins. Makes Firefox obsolete (I guess).		Feb 26 14:30
oiaohm	Add in added secuirty framework as well and you have a complete complexity of mantaince on hands sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:30
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Ubuntu really do stuff stupidly, when it comes to later packages	Feb 26 14:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Overall first impression of Kubuntu Luxid Lynx Alpha 3: Excelent!		Feb 26 14:31
sebsebseb	oiaohm: hence now how loads of users will have to rely on ppa's for later stuff	Feb 26 14:31
oiaohm	Ubuntu really needs to get upstream first policy working.	Feb 26 14:31
oiaohm	Even if it means dismissing many mantainers.	Feb 26 14:31
sebsebseb	oiaohm: upstream first policy??? meaning?	Feb 26 14:31
oiaohm	Like fedoras.	Feb 26 14:31
sebsebseb	oiaohm: I don't know what that is	Feb 26 14:32
oiaohm	You want to patch a package you must send it upstream to the creators of the software before as a maintainer you can apply a patch.	Feb 26 14:32
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Oh so only upstream packages get accepted?	Feb 26 14:32
sebsebseb	patches above	Feb 26 14:32
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Ubuntu do their own thing, take those edits to the fast user account switcher for example	Feb 26 14:33
oiaohm	If the creators of the software reject the patch on tech reasons it cannot be intergrated.	Feb 26 14:33
oiaohm	Fedora has some non mainline patches but they have been looked at by upstream and said to at least appear sane.	Feb 26 14:33
sebsebseb	oiaohm: ah yes that's basically what another guy said, how some of the Ubuntu change's aren't sane	Feb 26 14:34
sebsebseb	(said on IRC)	Feb 26 14:34
oiaohm	Ubuntu own edits equals less eyes looking at code and more risks of problems. Particularly when you wake up large projects like wine there is no one who really does know the code completely.	Feb 26 14:35
oiaohm	Everyone in wine only knows a small section well.	Feb 26 14:35
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Wake up?	Feb 26 14:35
oiaohm	So since the full time staff don't know it. Making a alteration required talking to many people.	Feb 26 14:35
oiaohm	Just to make sure you don't screw stuff up.	Feb 26 14:35
sebsebseb	"Particularly when you wake up large project"	Feb 26 14:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] But the whole idea of software patents is lunacy. We need to eliminate software patents and we need to do it now: http://i5.be/axx		Feb 26 14:36
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sebsebseb	"Particularly when you wake up large projects"	Feb 26 14:36
sebsebseb	oiaohm: What do you mean wake up?	Feb 26 14:36
oiaohm	Wake up to the fact that large project no one knows the code completely.	Feb 26 14:36
sebsebseb	oiaohm: yeah and Linux kernel is another one	Feb 26 14:36
oiaohm	Then places like Ubuntu a single maintainer on large items has the final say so.	Feb 26 14:37
oiaohm	Ie why things are going south.	Feb 26 14:37
oiaohm	There is no way a single maintainer can truly audit what he/she is doing.	Feb 26 14:37
sebsebseb	oiaohm: it's meant to be a LTS 10.04	Feb 26 14:37
sebsebseb	oiaohm: however I guess most users will upgrade when 10.10 comes out	Feb 26 14:38
sebsebseb	as for LTS users	Feb 26 14:38
oiaohm	Yet they have made it harder to maintain a LTS.	Feb 26 14:38
sebsebseb	most will probably upgrade when the next LTS comes out, with the exception of servers possibily	Feb 26 14:38
sebsebseb	since the re boots	Feb 26 14:38
oiaohm	Ie left 2.6.32 kernel alone.	Feb 26 14:38
sebsebseb	in fact I read about some program, that makes it so you don't have to re boot Linux servers when doing security updates	Feb 26 14:38
oiaohm	Would have made live simpler for 2 years.	Feb 26 14:38
oiaohm	ksplice sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:38
oiaohm	Yes it works.	Feb 26 14:38
sebsebseb	oiaohm: yeah that sounds like the one	Feb 26 14:38
oiaohm	But you really do have to pay for ksplice	Feb 26 14:39
sebsebseb	yeah that's surely it	Feb 26 14:39
cubezzz	that's why I like 2.4	Feb 26 14:39
cubezzz	for older hardware	Feb 26 14:39
sebsebseb	Linux kernel 2.4?	Feb 26 14:39
cubezzz	yes	Feb 26 14:39
oiaohm	Since patch the kernel the wrong way at run time you send system to hell sebsebseb	Feb 26 14:39
sebsebseb	oiaohm: I don't trust Ubuntu fully	Feb 26 14:39
sebsebseb	oiaohm: patching the Linux kernel on their own	Feb 26 14:39
oiaohm	Ubuntu is not the only distribution making these basic mistakes.	Feb 26 14:40
sebsebseb	some things Ubuntu developers shoudn't be doing in the first place really, such as maintaining a Linux kernel on their own	Feb 26 14:40
oiaohm	Debian still does as well.	Feb 26 14:40
sebsebseb	oiaohm: oh Debian doing it as well? well most of the stuff in Ubuntu comes from Debian	Feb 26 14:40
oiaohm	A upstream first policy need to be force on all distributions.	Feb 26 14:40
oiaohm	Debian maintainers over back port patches.	Feb 26 14:41
oiaohm	Even on libs that are ABI compabidlbe.	Feb 26 14:41
sebsebseb	ABI????	Feb 26 14:41
oiaohm	Application binary interface	Feb 26 14:41
sebsebseb	not sure what that is	Feb 26 14:41
oiaohm	Basically means old binarys will be able to interface with new lib without having to change anything if its ABI compabible	Feb 26 14:42
oiaohm	If its not ABI compadbile you would have to rebuild the parts using it.	Feb 26 14:42
sebsebseb	well nice that Gnome 2 will live on at least another three years, with many users, using it in Ubuntu	Feb 26 14:42
sebsebseb	Gnome 3 this September	Feb 26 14:42
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 10.04 probably as an option in the repo	Feb 26 14:43
oiaohm	Gnome 3 is just a revampted Gnome 2	Feb 26 14:43
sebsebseb	default unlikely, since to new	Feb 26 14:43
oiaohm	Its nothing like the KDE 4.0 change.	Feb 26 14:43
sebsebseb	11.04 probably by default or possibily	Feb 26 14:43
oiaohm	Where KDE basically complete gutted it.	Feb 26 14:43
sebsebseb	Ubuntu 10.04... no that was meant to be 10.10	Feb 26 14:44
sebsebseb	probably optional in 10.10 repo	Feb 26 14:44
sebsebseb	default in 11.04 possibily/probably	Feb 26 14:44
sebsebseb	11.11 default I expect so	Feb 26 14:44
sebsebseb	uh 11.10	Feb 26 14:44
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Well I am quite happy with Gnome 2	Feb 26 14:44
sebsebseb	not tried Gnome 3 yet, but read and seen scree shots and such	Feb 26 14:45
oiaohm	I am quite happy with KDE 4.3 so far.	Feb 26 14:45
oiaohm	But looking forward to KDE 4.4	Feb 26 14:45
sebsebseb	oiaohm: KDE 4.4 is already out, and that's been a while now	Feb 26 14:45
oiaohm	I just have not upgraded yet.	Feb 26 14:45
oiaohm	Ie kinda shows I am happy.	Feb 26 14:46
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Omar87	Anyone knows a good Debian-based distro with no Mono garbage attached?	Feb 26 14:46
sebsebseb	Omar87: don't know, but maybe that guy just went to bed	Feb 26 14:46
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Omar87	sebsebseb, what guys?	Feb 26 14:47
Omar87	guy*	Feb 26 14:47
sebsebseb	Omar87: oiaohm	Feb 26 14:47
*MinceR installs oiaohm on a virtual machine :>		Feb 26 14:52
sebsebseb	MinceR: What?	Feb 26 14:53
MinceR	sebsebseb: i deliberately misinterpreted your reply as meaning oiaohm is a good debian-based distro with no mono garbage :>	Feb 26 14:53
sebsebseb	MinceR: right ok, whatever I guess :D	Feb 26 14:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Requesting and installing license keys in software makes popey sad. Yes #sap I'm looking at you.		Feb 26 15:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@AdamSerwer Sessions repeats conservative conspiracy theory DoJ is full of terrorist sympathizers #OPRHearing // minds like pretzels #gop		Feb 26 15:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wonder if Rhythmbox will see my HTC Hero as a media device and easily drag purchased music onto it.That would be doubleplus not ungood.		Feb 26 16:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Release of #Lernid Announced (Online Learning) http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/289299:brand-new-lernid-released		Feb 26 16:23
cubezzz	did I show everyone the freenet video?	Feb 26 16:24
cubezzz	1994	Feb 26 16:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Spain Leans Further Towards #FreeSoftware Repository http://ur1.ca/nnrl		Feb 26 16:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning, friends!		Feb 26 16:52
schestowitz	All of jono's friends live in the west coast	Feb 26 16:56
cubezzz	11:51 am	Feb 26 16:58
cubezzz	it's still morning barely :)	Feb 26 16:58
*cubezzz <- not on west coast		Feb 26 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting, there is no Severed Fifth in the Ubuntu One Music Store. Not sure whether to be happy or extatic ;) @jonobacon		Feb 26 17:00
*MinceR <- not on west coast		Feb 26 17:00
cubezzz	hrmmm	Feb 26 17:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! Hardware On Rails - http://is.gd/9fz64 - would you like to see a market for high-level hardware components? #shotofjaq		Feb 26 17:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @popey: Little bit from Column A, little bit from Column B. :P		Feb 26 17:05
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cubezzz	time to upgrade kaffeine	Feb 26 17:09
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Agent-Smith	Hi there	Feb 26 17:22
Agent-Smith	Any1 on ???	Feb 26 17:22
Agent-Smith	Mr. Schestowitz, could write something about Bob Muglia smearing Oracle ???	Feb 26 17:23
Diablo-D3	who the fuck is bob muglia?	Feb 26 17:24
Agent-Smith	A guy from M$	Feb 26 17:24
Agent-Smith	Here goes the link	Feb 26 17:24
Agent-Smith	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/muglia_oracle_sun_19780s_hell/	Feb 26 17:24
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Agent-Smith	Ok ???	Feb 26 17:25
Agent-Smith	;-)	Feb 26 17:25
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Diablo-D3	meh who cares what he says	Feb 26 17:26
Agent-Smith	Well, not me, but these M$ attacks go on and on	Feb 26 17:27
Agent-Smith	Sometimes, Google, now Oracle...	Feb 26 17:27
Diablo-D3	yeah, it doesnt really matter	Feb 26 17:28
Agent-Smith	Oracle has a great chance to sink M$ business even more	Feb 26 17:28
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Agent-Smith	Well, just dropped by to give the link	Feb 26 17:32
Agent-Smith	Got to go now	Feb 26 17:32
Agent-Smith	Best regards	Feb 26 17:33
Agent-Smith	Bye	Feb 26 17:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Cartoon : How #Microsoft Robs the Nation http://ur1.ca/nnyq #tax #crime #cronyism #humor #washington		Feb 26 17:37
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schestowitz	Muglia...	Feb 26 17:46
schestowitz	Heh. Gavin the Microsoft booster taking shots	Feb 26 17:46
schestowitz	I saw it yesterday	Feb 26 17:47
schestowitz	Gavin is slime in my eyes.... always making it obvious whose line he's pushing... the criminal organisaiton	Feb 26 17:47
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trmanco	hi	Feb 26 17:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft abuses words of the English language in order for people to feel confused http://ur1.ca/no0k #spin #pr #lies		Feb 26 17:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Derby commuter hell named after Lara Croft http://newstechnica.com/?p=1660		Feb 26 17:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 7 New Problems http://ur1.ca/no1l Products that are labeled “7″ continue to falter (holes, delays, lack of acceptance, etc.)		Feb 26 18:01
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tessier	ur1.ca? Geez...this url shortening thing is getting crazy. I still prefer regular urls.	Feb 26 18:04
bruce89	slightly tricky on identi.ca	Feb 26 18:05
schestowitz	Hey, trmanco	Feb 26 18:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Patches for #Linux ( #Kernel ) Drop Sharply http://ur1.ca/no2m focusing on .NET, Silverlight, etc. now		Feb 26 18:10
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trmanco	hey schestowitz	Feb 26 18:10
schestowitz	tessier: yes, I can't avoid the sites converting the URLs	Feb 26 18:10
trmanco	what's up?	Feb 26 18:10
schestowitz	I use to complain about them too ('link rot')	Feb 26 18:10
schestowitz	trmanco: just chillin', having a Bud	Feb 26 18:10
schestowitz	j/k	Feb 26 18:10
trmanco	schestowitz: beer?	Feb 26 18:11
trmanco	https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bbckclmkoiihffpfbbmplffajljfemcl?hl=en	Feb 26 18:14
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cubezzz	link rot, I have that too	Feb 26 18:15
cubezzz	my web page is 14 years old :)	Feb 26 18:16
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schestowitz	http://gb1990.com/	Feb 26 18:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I am doing a general Ubuntu and Community Q+A at 11am PST / 2pm EST / 7pm GMT/UTC - 20mins! at http://is.gd/960b9 - join us! #ubuntu		Feb 26 18:45
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bruce89	youtube HTML5 appears to work anwayy	Feb 26 18:49
bruce89	Epiphany/WebKitGtk+	Feb 26 18:49
MinceR	except on browsers made by entities who aren't part of the cartel	Feb 26 18:49
MinceR	such as firefox	Feb 26 18:49
bruce89	difficult to describe GNOME as part of a cartel	Feb 26 18:50
MinceR	that probably gets it via webkit	Feb 26 18:50
bruce89	actually, it's via gstreamer	Feb 26 18:51
MinceR	actually i'm not sure how it works in epiphany	Feb 26 18:51
MinceR	:)	Feb 26 18:51
MinceR	and even if it does work you might be vulnerable to patent lawsuits, depending on where you're using it.	Feb 26 18:51
bruce89	well, WebKitGTK+ uses GStreamer for its media stuff	Feb 26 18:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Made #Botnets Pretends to Fight Botnets (Microsoft) That is some massive spin http://ur1.ca/nod8		Feb 26 19:07
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cubezzz	ok, new kaffeine is a no go	Feb 26 19:23
cubezzz	eh? just use lynx and forget about all this overly elaborate stuff :)	Feb 26 19:24
cubezzz	use mplayer for video	Feb 26 19:24
cubezzz	with the good ol' text based interface :)	Feb 26 19:25
cubezzz	none of this hiding everything in a gui	Feb 26 19:26
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cubezzz	uhf video is better than any internet video for that matter	Feb 26 19:27
cubezzz	no DRM either :)	Feb 26 19:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @EFF Epic Fail in Congress: USA PATRIOT Act Renewed Without Any New Civil Liberties Protections http://eff.org/n/9623		Feb 26 19:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] United States, Korea, Singapore, and Denmark Behind the Secrecy of the #ACTA Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/nomc		Feb 26 19:59
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bruce89	Allez les bleus	Feb 26 20:03
Ender2070_	Fedora 13 will be a nice KDE distro	Feb 26 20:03
Ender2070_	KDE 4.4.0, KOffice 2.2, KDevelop 4.0, K3B 4	Feb 26 20:03
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schestowitz	Maybe Ubuntu will move to KDE too	Feb 26 20:12
schestowitz	Mono problem solved	Feb 26 20:12
schestowitz	And I hear that Kubuntu won't be joined to Bong by the hip	Feb 26 20:12
cubezzz	I think I can get the newest kaffeine on fc1 after all :)	Feb 26 20:13
Ender2070_	kaffeine uses Qt4 doesn't it?	Feb 26 20:13
cubezzz	not for me :)	Feb 26 20:14
cubezzz	actually you need at least 3.3	Feb 26 20:14
cubezzz	it will be nice if I can pull this off	Feb 26 20:14
cubezzz	just in case I archived old kaffeine	Feb 26 20:15
cubezzz	fc1 will live forever :)	Feb 26 20:15
sebsebseb	schestowitz: :( an episode of Click with nearly the whole thing dedicated to mobile phones, plus another Steve Ballmer interview to do with Windows Phone 7	Feb 26 20:16
bruce89	what, how can you possibly not be watching Wales being thrashed?	Feb 26 20:16
cubezzz	Click sounds like Crap :)	Feb 26 20:17
sebsebseb	bruce89: Which sport? What channel? and probably not interested	Feb 26 20:17
sebsebseb	cubezzz: BBC Click yeah	Feb 26 20:17
sebsebseb	cubezzz: so a lot of the time it is crap really	Feb 26 20:17
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sebsebseb	cubezzz: since it's aimed at main streame people, who have some sort of interest in technology	Feb 26 20:17
sebsebseb	cubezzz: well some parts aren't that good I mean, depends on the episode	Feb 26 20:18
sebsebseb	however they do tend to go on about mobile phones, and social networking sites	Feb 26 20:18
Ender2070_	<schestowitz> Maybe Ubuntu will move to KDE too	Feb 26 20:18
Ender2070_	lets hope	Feb 26 20:18
cubezzz	why pollute your mind with Ballmer crap?	Feb 26 20:18
Ender2070_	even though Fedora 13 will be better than Ubuntu 10.04	Feb 26 20:18
sebsebseb	Ender2070_: KDE no!	Feb 26 20:18
cubezzz	it's bad for your health :)	Feb 26 20:18
bruce89	brilliant try by France	Feb 26 20:18
sebsebseb	cubezzz: heh	Feb 26 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Impressive and really cool. Like a true GPS guided missile^Wdrone: http://www.google.pt/search?q=hexakopter		Feb 26 20:19
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sebsebseb	cubezzz: the begining of that was sort of funny I think, since it's like "welcome back to Click" "yeah thanks"	Feb 26 20:19
Ender2070_	sebsebseb - KDE yes!	Feb 26 20:19
sebsebseb	Ender2070_: KDE no	Feb 26 20:19
sebsebseb	Ender2070_: screw KDE	Feb 26 20:19
cubezzz	Ballmer will be lucky if he doesn't have a massive heart attack	Feb 26 20:20
sebsebseb	except for some KDE apps in Gnome, since KDE 4 is to diffenret to KDE 3	Feb 26 20:20
Ender2070_	KDE 4 is the most advanced right now	Feb 26 20:20
cubezzz	old KDE good, new KDE.... hrrmmmmm	Feb 26 20:20
sebsebseb	Ender2070_: it's rather geek yeah	Feb 26 20:20
sebsebseb	Ender2070_: it looks like Windows by default	Feb 26 20:20
sebsebseb	,but a bit better	Feb 26 20:20
sebsebseb	and then is geek to customizie	Feb 26 20:20
Ender2070_	it looks better than windows	Feb 26 20:20
Ender2070_	gnome looks like apple had sex with windows and you're left with its bastard child	Feb 26 20:21
cubezzz	KDE would be perfect if it had a "retro mode"	Feb 26 20:21
sebsebseb	cubezzz: why do they have to interview these coroporate people	Feb 26 20:21
cubezzz	like if you were on a slow machine...	Feb 26 20:21
sebsebseb	propritary software or hardware people	Feb 26 20:21
sebsebseb	would be awesome if they had an episode with most of it dedicated to Lucid when that came out	Feb 26 20:21
sebsebseb	they could go on about the social features that are built in	Feb 26 20:21
cubezzz	Linus was on Charlie Rose once sebsebseb	Feb 26 20:21
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Linux stuff get's mentioned briefly on Click. Also Android is getting mentioned here and there, but with them not saying it runs Linux.	Feb 26 20:22
bruce89	0 - 7	Feb 26 20:22
cubezzz	isn't there a Linux only show?	Feb 26 20:22
cubezzz	somewhere?	Feb 26 20:22
cubezzz	or a FOSS show?	Feb 26 20:22
sebsebseb	cubezzz: I don't think so	Feb 26 20:22
cubezzz	bah	Feb 26 20:23
sebsebseb	bruce89: something about the Iplayer or whatever you linked to before? well watching it using Flash on the website still works, on Desktop Linux	Feb 26 20:23
bruce89	yes	Feb 26 20:23
sebsebseb	Flash will be coming to mobile phones this year as well, but not the Iphone	Feb 26 20:24
bruce89	my phone already has it	Feb 26 20:24
sebsebseb	bruce89: I think they said there's one that has it, on Click that is	Feb 26 20:25
bruce89	HTC Hero?	Feb 26 20:25
sebsebseb	bruce89: what?	Feb 26 20:25
bruce89	is that the one they mentioned?	Feb 26 20:26
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Ender2070_ Click is one of the only British TV shows I watch, yes British TV sucks really, except for documenteries for example.	Feb 26 20:26
bruce89	that's complete crap	Feb 26 20:26
sebsebseb	bruce89: that's my opinion, i'll watch the real hustle as well, documenteries and the news sometimes, the rest of British TV I tend to avoide and not watch :)	Feb 26 20:27
bruce89	our news is rather good, comedy is good	Feb 26 20:27
bruce89	the BBC has no adverts, which is nice	Feb 26 20:27
sebsebseb	I don't like Comedy with exceptions such as South Park	Feb 26 20:27
sebsebseb	and that's American not British	Feb 26 20:27
bruce89	I like comedy with exceptions such as South Park	Feb 26 20:27
sebsebseb	Family GUy is ok	Feb 26 20:27
sebsebseb	Simpsons is alright	Feb 26 20:27
Diablo-D3	simpsons sucks	Feb 26 20:28
sebsebseb	bruce89: our news is rather good, uh what?	Feb 26 20:28
Ender2070_	tv is overrated	Feb 26 20:28
Diablo-D3	it was funny during the first season and thats about it	Feb 26 20:28
bruce89	yes it is	Feb 26 20:28
sebsebseb	bruce89: BBC tends to be mainly about polotics	Feb 26 20:28
Diablo-D3	20 years ago or whatever	Feb 26 20:28
bruce89	compared to American news	Feb 26 20:28
sebsebseb	bruce89: pretty boring that	Feb 26 20:28
cubezzz	heh	Feb 26 20:28
bruce89	exactly, I love politics	Feb 26 20:28
sebsebseb	bruce89: ITV is a bit different	Feb 26 20:28
Diablo-D3	well	Feb 26 20:28
cubezzz	20 years ago, you were how old? :)	Feb 26 20:28
Diablo-D3	its not that politics dominates the news	Feb 26 20:28
bruce89	0	Feb 26 20:28
Diablo-D3	its that politics is currently the largest issue to talk about	Feb 26 20:29
Diablo-D3	politics is what fucked up almost everybody's life	Feb 26 20:29
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: heh	Feb 26 20:29
Diablo-D3	so the news talking about politics isnt an issue	Feb 26 20:29
Diablo-D3	it _should_ be talked about	Feb 26 20:29
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: that sounds about right, that polotics has messed up almost everyones life	Feb 26 20:29
bruce89	in fact, I prefer the Channel 4 news, although I haven't watched it for a while	Feb 26 20:29
Diablo-D3	but if I want unbiased political news... eh.... I'll watch the daily show	Feb 26 20:29
bruce89	BBC's sport coverage you should admit is good	Feb 26 20:30
Diablo-D3	now, sports, I dont get why news covers those	Feb 26 20:30
sebsebseb	bruce89: well Eurosport has been better for the Olympic sking	Feb 26 20:30
cubezzz	sure, everything's a big joke anyway	Feb 26 20:30
Diablo-D3	I mean, its advertising for a company	Feb 26 20:30
Diablo-D3	well, a small number of companies	Feb 26 20:31
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: I guess sports is on the news, becasue it's like the weather, it's what a lot of average people care about	Feb 26 20:31
cubezzz	junk food companies sponsor the olympics...	Feb 26 20:31
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: but they shouldnt	Feb 26 20:31
Diablo-D3	thats the problem	Feb 26 20:31
bruce89	what should they cover then>	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	these people are highly paid morons that work for A COMPANY	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	a business	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	sports should be folded into the business segment	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	since thats all it is	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	its people bouncing or kicking a ball down a field, court, or whatever	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	for MONEY	Feb 26 20:32
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: that's true professional sports is about making money, just like commercial music is	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	they work for a BUSINESS	Feb 26 20:32
cubezzz	big money	Feb 26 20:32
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: yes, and does music have a segment in the news? no.	Feb 26 20:32
cubezzz	RTE does music on the news	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	whos rte?	Feb 26 20:33
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: well it might sometimes, I mean celebraties being mentioned	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	its not a US channel	Feb 26 20:33
cubezzz	Irish news	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: celebraties is a different issue	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	thats just people being fucking nosy	Feb 26 20:33
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: what?	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	did I care about some nigger named tiger woods sleeping with women? no	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	does AAANNNYYYOONNNEEE?	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	no.	Feb 26 20:33
cubezzz	not really :)	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	am I surprised, knowing hes black, he slept with a bunch of women? no	Feb 26 20:33
cubezzz	not in computerland	Feb 26 20:33
Diablo-D3	in fact, it'd be news if he DIDNT	Feb 26 20:33
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: some would say some of what you just put is raceism by the way.	Feb 26 20:34
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: good for them, then they'd be practicing racism.	Feb 26 20:34
Diablo-D3	If you point out racism, you're racist too.	Feb 26 20:34
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: what?	Feb 26 20:34
bruce89	0 - 10	Feb 26 20:35
Diablo-D3	You have to have a little bit of that "us vs them" mentality in you to say shit is racist	Feb 26 20:35
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: and btw, the news is racist	Feb 26 20:35
cubezzz	call it cultural bias then	Feb 26 20:35
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: the news is raceist?	Feb 26 20:35
Diablo-D3	when was the last time a black girl got kidnapped, raped, and killed, and that was on the news for weeks?	Feb 26 20:35
Diablo-D3	never	Feb 26 20:35
Diablo-D3	but a white chick goes missing? BAM, 24/7 NEWS COVERAGE	Feb 26 20:35
Diablo-D3	so it goes both ways.	Feb 26 20:36
Diablo-D3	I hate you and your kind, no matter your color, creed, or religion.	Feb 26 20:36
Diablo-D3	That doesnt make me racist, it just means I'm pointing out the truth of things.	Feb 26 20:36
bruce89	I don't know if that applies here..	Feb 26 20:36
Diablo-D3	in short, I can say tiger woods doing that is not surprising as long as I say something about everyone else too	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	its not racist if I point out everybody's disgusting fuckups too.	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	And guess what? Us white people have em too	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	for example	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	bill gates.	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	hes white.	Feb 26 20:37
cubezzz	he's almost Satan :)	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	So yes, white people fuck up too.	Feb 26 20:37
Diablo-D3	Go ahead, say I'm racist for insulting white people.	Feb 26 20:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Judge talks damages for utterly bogus DMCA complaint by Universal http://is.gd/9gAbv muwAAAAAhahahaha HT @glynmoody		Feb 26 20:38
Diablo-D3	Go ahead. I dare you.	Feb 26 20:38
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FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/02/22/bleak-havens/	Feb 26 20:38
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cubezzz	white/bad is merely a broad generalization	Feb 26 20:38
cubezzz	black	Feb 26 20:38
Diablo-D3	Yes, especially since you have to be from africa to even call yourself black anymore	Feb 26 20:38
FurnaceBoy	it's tribalistic	Feb 26 20:38
FurnaceBoy	no matter who does it	Feb 26 20:39
Diablo-D3	Most if not all black people in the US are at least a quarter white	Feb 26 20:39
FurnaceBoy	my tribe vs not my tribe	Feb 26 20:39
Diablo-D3	FurnaceBoy: its us vs them mentality	Feb 26 20:39
cubezzz	it's just stupid anyways	Feb 26 20:39
bruce89	the curse of the discontinous mind	Feb 26 20:39
Diablo-D3	I already brought it up	Feb 26 20:39
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: yes	Feb 26 20:39
Diablo-D3	But I practice a much more efficient version	Feb 26 20:39
FurnaceBoy	bruce89: well put	Feb 26 20:39
Diablo-D3	me vs all you motherfuckers out there.	Feb 26 20:39
bruce89	"colour" is a continuous spectrum	Feb 26 20:39
bruce89	FurnaceBoy: nah, that's Richard Dawkins I think	Feb 26 20:39
Diablo-D3	but hey, lets rewind a bit	Feb 26 20:40
Diablo-D3	you know why I like the US so much?	Feb 26 20:40
Diablo-D3	we have the daily show	Feb 26 20:40
Diablo-D3	an entire show dedicated to how much the mass media sucks dongs.	Feb 26 20:40
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: not much else going for it hehe	Feb 26 20:40
Ender2070_	the daily show is awesome	Feb 26 20:40
Diablo-D3	at least we admit it.	Feb 26 20:40
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: these kinds of shows are not unknown overseas.	Feb 26 20:40
Diablo-D3	what about you silly europeans and your silly BBCs and shit?	Feb 26 20:40
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: Australian ABC has had media watch for decades	Feb 26 20:40
bruce89	bunch of cheats Wales	Feb 26 20:41
Ender2070_	canada has several	Feb 26 20:41
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: and I 'm pretty sure the BBC has similar shows	Feb 26 20:41
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: Well we got the BBC's Panorma here for example, which is meant to tell people the truth about stuff that is going on	Feb 26 20:41
Ender2070_	This Hour has 22 Minutes, Royal Canadian Air Farce	Feb 26 20:41
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: you shouldn't assume we don't criticise our media :)	Feb 26 20:41
bruce89	the Daily Show is well known here	Feb 26 20:41
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: Panorama I spelt that wrong	Feb 26 20:41
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: so a bbc show that says... bbc news lies?	Feb 26 20:41
Diablo-D3	sounds like a conflict of interest.	Feb 26 20:41
cubezzz	don't forget Rick Mercer :)	Feb 26 20:41
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: yes, media criticism isn't confined to Jon Stewart.	Feb 26 20:41
Diablo-D3	FurnaceBoy: of course its not	Feb 26 20:41
FurnaceBoy	Diablo-D3: Charlie Brooker is doing a pretty good job...	Feb 26 20:42
Diablo-D3	Infact, Im waiting for them to offer me a show	Feb 26 20:42
Diablo-D3	:D	Feb 26 20:42
Ender2070_	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo	Feb 26 20:42
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FurnaceBoy	^^ that monbiot link above is really a good read. as usual.	Feb 26 20:43
bruce89	all right, we'll both agree to not criticise each others' media	Feb 26 20:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My dad is quite ill. (Old age, basically.) I may need to fly to Perth at short notice. Awaiting more news.		Feb 26 20:45
sebsebseb	bruce89: no they put nearly whatever they want in here	Feb 26 20:45
sebsebseb	or they do put whatever they want in here	Feb 26 20:45
sebsebseb	bruce89: so if they want to say UK media sucks or something like that, well that's what they will do	Feb 26 20:45
bruce89	0 - 13	Feb 26 20:45
cubezzz	well the news editor decides what story to run I believe	Feb 26 20:46
sebsebseb	bruce89: no one in here cares except for ianto, but he's in that other channel anyway	Feb 26 20:46
cubezzz	re: your comment about missing women, you would have to blame the news editor	Feb 26 20:47
ianto	I'm in many channels, sebastian	Feb 26 20:47
cubezzz	why do guys kill women so often anyway?	Feb 26 20:48
sebsebseb	ianto: Full first names aye, Christopher?	Feb 26 20:48
ianto	cubezzz: Easy targets, like homeless people	Feb 26 20:49
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: they do?	Feb 26 20:50
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: around here we don't have many killings	Feb 26 20:50
cubezzz	it seems that way from the news	Feb 26 20:50
FurnaceBoy	who watches the news?	Feb 26 20:50
cubezzz	guys are just violent	Feb 26 20:50
FurnaceBoy	if you watch teh news, you believe society is 24/7 crime	Feb 26 20:50
bruce89	FurnaceBoy: me	Feb 26 20:50
sebsebseb	cubezzz: women can be violent as well	Feb 26 20:50
FurnaceBoy	bruce89: on tv?	Feb 26 20:51
cubezzz	I guess	Feb 26 20:51
bruce89	yes, the Scottish news is mostly murders and so on	Feb 26 20:51
FurnaceBoy	bruce89: same everywhere.	Feb 26 20:51
FurnaceBoy	bruce89: tabloidism	Feb 26 20:51
FurnaceBoy	bruce89: it's got this way over the past few decades	Feb 26 20:51
ianto	Men are no more violent than women btw.	Feb 26 20:51
bruce89	the British news is just stories of no interest to people with brains	Feb 26 20:51
bruce89	well, BBC 6 o'clock	Feb 26 20:51
sebsebseb	bruce89: Why do you watch it then?	Feb 26 20:51
FurnaceBoy	bruce89: i don't have a tv; no interest whatsoever	Feb 26 20:51
ianto	bruce89: Welsh referendum is of interest!	Feb 26 20:51
bruce89	true, the politics is	Feb 26 20:52
cubezzz	I have a TV card :)	Feb 26 20:52
bruce89	but the endless entertainment news	Feb 26 20:52
ianto	WHo's Jordan fucking this week then? :(	Feb 26 20:52
bruce89	like on Monday, the main story was "Tiger Woods speaks"	Feb 26 20:52
ianto	Really?	Feb 26 20:52
*ianto hasnt seen TV in ages		Feb 26 20:52
cubezzz	don't forget that Wilt died :)	Feb 26 20:53
cubezzz	he finally stopped bragging about how many women he had	Feb 26 20:53
cubezzz	yeah TV can be pretty lame	Feb 26 20:53
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Who's Wilt?	Feb 26 20:53
ianto	cubezzz: Any particular reason you reference to "women" in every topic I've seen you talk about so far?	Feb 26 20:54
cubezzz	ianto, you're very muc mistaken	Feb 26 20:54
cubezzz	I've talked about tons of different things	Feb 26 20:54
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FurnaceBoy	who has time for tv	Feb 26 20:55
FurnaceBoy	i don't have time to shave, let alone that	Feb 26 20:55
*sebsebseb has time for TV		Feb 26 20:55
FurnaceBoy	how?	Feb 26 20:55
bruce89	BBC 1 BBC 1 BBC 1	Feb 26 20:55
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: unemployeed	Feb 26 20:55
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: and so on	Feb 26 20:55
FurnaceBoy	hm, yes that would be a reason :(	Feb 26 20:55
FurnaceBoy	sorry to hear that	Feb 26 20:55
FurnaceBoy	(assuming you'd prefer to be employed ;)	Feb 26 20:56
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: I think that would depend on the job, and the people I would be working with.	Feb 26 20:56
FurnaceBoy	yeah	Feb 26 20:56
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: anyway most people with full time jobs, also watch at least some TV these days I guess.	Feb 26 20:57
bruce89	0 - 21	Feb 26 20:57
*sebsebseb wants to work for Microsoft		Feb 26 20:57
bruce89	oops, I mean 0 - 20	Feb 26 20:57
ianto	sebsebseb: Pam? Beth? Sut?	Feb 26 20:57
sebsebseb	ianto: what?	Feb 26 20:57
ianto	What? Why? How?	Feb 26 20:58
*sebsebseb wants to work for Microsoft and then try and get loads of open source projects closed down		Feb 26 20:58
*sebsebseb hates Linux and all this now		Feb 26 20:58
ianto	Good luck	Feb 26 20:58
bruce89	we call that baiting	Feb 26 20:58
sebsebseb	I think it didn't really work stuff I just put, since people know I am jokeing	Feb 26 20:59
*ianto wants to work for the Welsh Language Board to anihilate the English language		Feb 26 20:59
bruce89	ianto: I can believe that	Feb 26 20:59
bruce89	you have to get your lies right, ianto did	Feb 26 20:59
sebsebseb	bruce89: me?	Feb 26 21:00
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bruce89	good grief, a reencode of a theora thing that was ~80MB is now 276	Feb 26 21:04
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Omar87	Hi all	Feb 26 21:10
bruce89	Lo	Feb 26 21:10
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: :)	Feb 26 21:11
FurnaceBoy	Omar87: ola	Feb 26 21:11
bruce89	ha, Wales were good there, but then passed it into the air	Feb 26 21:11
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: i guess most people do, but i have wayyy too many other things competing for my time	Feb 26 21:11
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: maintaining open source projects , mostly	Feb 26 21:12
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: and a whole lot of things i'd like to do but don't have time for :(	Feb 26 21:12
FurnaceBoy	oh well. i said that already. :-)	Feb 26 21:12
FurnaceBoy	Omar87: how 's life?	Feb 26 21:12
Omar87	FurnaceBoy, pretty good! All thanks and praises to God. :)	Feb 26 21:13
Omar87	You?	Feb 26 21:13
FurnaceBoy	Omar87: can't complain	Feb 26 21:13
Omar87	about what?	Feb 26 21:13
FurnaceBoy	it's an expression --	Feb 26 21:13
FurnaceBoy	means , "doing ok"	Feb 26 21:14
FurnaceBoy	"no complaints"	Feb 26 21:14
Omar87	I know. :-)	Feb 26 21:14
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: open source projects such as>	Feb 26 21:14
sebsebseb	?	Feb 26 21:14
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: mine	Feb 26 21:14
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: Which is?	Feb 26 21:14
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: but i'd like to help out a couple of non-mine	Feb 26 21:14
sebsebseb	Such as?	Feb 26 21:14
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: most of mine are at http://telegraphics.com.au/sw/ , but I have pending work to do for GraphicsMagick and some others. I'd like to help out http://firebirdsql.org , their site sucks	Feb 26 21:15
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FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: been doing a few user support requests for my stuff. Adobe keeps releasing new incompatible photoshop runtimes... never ending race to keep up :)	Feb 26 21:16
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: a guy wrote to me last week with a specific problem he wanted solved	Feb 26 21:16
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: by a plugin	Feb 26 21:16
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: usually this is pro-bono work	Feb 26 21:17
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: and it ends up GPL	Feb 26 21:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Software Patents Plot Adds #Panasonic; IV Critics Still React http://ur1.ca/nov2 #swpat		Feb 26 21:18
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bruce89	6 - 30	Feb 26 21:18
bruce89	sorry, 6 - 20	Feb 26 21:18
bruce89	bugger	Feb 26 21:31
bruce89	13 - 20	Feb 26 21:31
sebsebseb	bruce89: What pointless stuff to have in a publically logged channel, in those logs.	Feb 26 21:32
bruce89	you can talk	Feb 26 21:33
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schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/bbc_axe_6music_asian_network_says_report/	Feb 26 21:34
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schestowitz	"	Feb 26 21:34
schestowitz	The BBC reportedly plans to axe its 6 Music and Asian Network radio stations, cull 50 per cent of its websites and reduce spending on American TV shows next month.	Feb 26 21:34
schestowitz	According to a story in today’s Times, which cites BBC Trust sources, Beeb director-general Mark Thompson will admit in March that the Corporation is bloated and needs to trim down its services to allow commercial rivals to compete.	Feb 26 21:34
schestowitz	"	Feb 26 21:34
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schestowitz	MSBBC....... downsizing	Feb 26 21:34
schestowitz	" According to a story in today’s Times, which cites BBC Trust sources"	Feb 26 21:35
schestowitz	Oh... Murdoch seems to be cheering	Feb 26 21:35
schestowitz	More prodding for the Military Industrial Complex then	Feb 26 21:35
aurium	schestowitz, i think you will like: http://softwarelivre.org/aurium/blog/mono-the-trojan	Feb 26 21:35
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sebsebseb	aurium: Are you that French guy?	Feb 26 21:35
aurium	French? No. but that is my blog.	Feb 26 21:36
schestowitz	LOL	Feb 26 21:36
schestowitz	aurium: how new is it?	Feb 26 21:36
sebsebseb	aurium: A guy with a similar name came to this other channel before	Feb 26 21:36
schestowitz	Can I reuse the image with a link to it?	Feb 26 21:37
aurium	schestowitz, i have published some minutes ago	Feb 26 21:37
schestowitz	I can use the image and link to the post	Feb 26 21:37
schestowitz	Would that be OK?	Feb 26 21:37
aurium	Ok! Anyone can/may use the image. :-)	Feb 26 21:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks to the awesome work of DeeJay1 Acire is now available to be translated - translators...roll out: http://is.gd/9gQ9m #ubuntu #acire		Feb 26 21:47
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DaemonFC	http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21496	Feb 26 21:48
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schestowitz	aurium: thanks!	Feb 26 21:54
aurium	schestowitz, you are welcome. I like your posts!	Feb 26 21:55
sebsebseb	ianto: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022500535OPBZSW	Feb 26 22:00
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schestowitz	aurium: thanks.	Feb 26 22:02
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: spend more time on the Guardian and less on zomgstuff.net :)	Feb 26 22:02
ender2070_	kdenlive owns	Feb 26 22:04
sebsebseb	jono Edubuntu would benefit off this http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022500835OSDTSW	Feb 26 22:09
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bruce89	that was a close one	Feb 26 22:09
sebsebseb	bruce89 I assume you meant the game, what was the score?	Feb 26 22:09
sebsebseb	also what sport was it Rugby?	Feb 26 22:10
bruce89	26 - 20	Feb 26 22:10
bruce89	for France thankfully	Feb 26 22:10
sebsebseb	right that does not really mean anything to me, France beat Wales?	Feb 26 22:10
DaemonFC	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-13-Alpha-delayed-941968.html	Feb 26 22:10
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ender2070_	Yes	Feb 26 22:10
ender2070_	however	Feb 26 22:10
ender2070_	its not a bad thing	Feb 26 22:10
bruce89	sebsebseb: hopefully you can tell that 26 > 20	Feb 26 22:11
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, What is it with both the left and the right insisting on goodfact over realfact?	Feb 26 22:11
ender2070_	they are still pushing for new features	Feb 26 22:11
DaemonFC	ender2070, Like what?	Feb 26 22:12
DaemonFC	I haven't seen a new Mesa pop up on Koji since the 17th	Feb 26 22:12
sebsebseb	http://blog.sucuri.net/2010/02/godaddy-store-your-passwords-in-clear.html	Feb 26 22:12
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DaemonFC	when will those start being built again?	Feb 26 22:13
ender2070_	I know the KDE people were talking about KDevelop, Koffice, k3b	Feb 26 22:13
ender2070_	kdevelop will be finished around the release of F13	Feb 26 22:13
bruce89	Fedora seems to delay stuff quite a bit often	Feb 26 22:15
bruce89	http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8539542.stm	Feb 26 22:15
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ender2070_	yeah but for good reasons	Feb 26 22:15
ender2070_	F12 was delayed one week	Feb 26 22:15
bruce89	of course, I didn't suggest anything but	Feb 26 22:15
ender2070_	they tend to do this because they want to get as much as they can in	Feb 26 22:16
ender2070_	ubuntu on the other hand will release on a specific date even if that means taking things out or sticking with older versions	Feb 26 22:16
bruce89	I see; I think that Fedora has the better process based on what you say	Feb 26 22:17
ender2070_	yeah	Feb 26 22:17
ender2070_	I like them because they tend to have the latest stuff	Feb 26 22:18
schestowitz	LOL http://abh-news.com/the-amazon-kindle-under-the-thumb-of-microsoft-1607.html "Remember that Linux accuses Microsoft of violating some of its intellectual property (up to 235 patents) and threatens to prosecute companies that use open source solutions (and who, in response, urged the creation of the Open Invention Network). Microsoft intends to clarify a legal limbo in its ecosystem with its licensing program."	Feb 26 22:18
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ender2070_	brb	Feb 26 22:19
schestowitz	"Linux accuses Microsoft of violating some of its intellectual property " :=_	Feb 26 22:19
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bruce89	nice	Feb 26 22:20
DaemonFC	the install media is still flaky and failing	Feb 26 22:20
DaemonFC	as of RC4	Feb 26 22:21
DaemonFC	(today)	Feb 26 22:21
DaemonFC	not surprising that they're holding it back when it fails making ext4 partitions	Feb 26 22:21
bruce89	ah	Feb 26 22:22
sebsebseb	bruce89 schestowitz DaemonFC I am catchin up on Linux news and that at the moment, anyway this is a good one http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property	Feb 26 22:24
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bruce89	och, read it	Feb 26 22:24
sebsebseb	bruce89 I think I saw it there other day on Linux Today and didn't read or whatever it was yeah	Feb 26 22:24
DaemonFC	it would be nice if they did go up to Microsoft with a settlement offer	Feb 26 22:24
DaemonFC	why don't they?	Feb 26 22:25
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone in the UK running Ubuntu Lucid, can you confirm this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/528728		Feb 26 22:25
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sebsebseb	bruce89 hrm at peopeys notice, without going on the link, I assume it's for that BBC content in totem	Feb 26 22:25
bruce89	you're correct	Feb 26 22:25
bruce89	I've commented on it	Feb 26 22:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Tired. This has been a loooooong week.		Feb 26 22:30
sebsebseb	http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022401735OSCY	Feb 26 22:34
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sebsebseb	OpenSuse as a server hrm	Feb 26 22:35
sebsebseb	the comment on Linux Today	Feb 26 22:35
bruce89	why not?	Feb 26 22:35
sebsebseb	bruce89 Not that sure, I guess ask the anti Suse people in here :D	Feb 26 22:35
sebsebseb	that same person also uses PC Linux OS	Feb 26 22:37
sebsebseb	according to the comment	Feb 26 22:37
sebsebseb	not that many people use that one these days I guess	Feb 26 22:37
bruce89	not many people use that one that you did	Feb 26 22:37
sebsebseb	bruce89 quite a lot of people use Mandriva :)	Feb 26 22:38
bruce89	no, that weird one	Feb 26 22:38
sebsebseb	bruce89 what?	Feb 26 22:38
bruce89	hang on	Feb 26 22:39
sebsebseb	maybe your thinking of VectorLinux	Feb 26 22:39
sebsebseb	at some stage I did put on IRC that I might put that on as a host, or something like that I put	Feb 26 22:39
sebsebseb	Did I? nope	Feb 26 22:39
bruce89	vector, that's it	Feb 26 22:39
sebsebseb	that Live CD ISO I got was fun to vm	Feb 26 22:40
sebsebseb	as for actsaul later vectorlinux I had issues in vm	Feb 26 22:40
sebsebseb	so didn't get that far	Feb 26 22:40
bruce89	virtual machines are trouble	Feb 26 22:40
sebsebseb	also Wolvix is probably about as known as VectorLinux and that goblin quite liked that one	Feb 26 22:41
sebsebseb	bruce89 apparantly VMware player has improved a lot since I last tried it about three years ago	Feb 26 22:41
sebsebseb	also something about how VMware server is now web based or whatever	Feb 26 22:41
*bruce89 is surprised you use vmware		Feb 26 22:42
sebsebseb	I have used VMware in the past	Feb 26 22:42
sebsebseb	before Virtualbox	Feb 26 22:42
*FurnaceBoy uses virtualbox		Feb 26 22:42
sebsebseb	well I think when I was doing VMware, Virtualbox didn't exist or whatever	Feb 26 22:42
sebsebseb	or wasn't that popular yet	Feb 26 22:42
FurnaceBoy	:)	Feb 26 22:43
sebsebseb	anyway it seems that VMware player might be faster for vm's than Virtualbox now	Feb 26 22:43
DaemonFC	http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3867471/Novell+Linux+Breaks+Even+Microsoft+Deal+Slumps.htm	Feb 26 22:43
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sebsebseb	bruce89 suprised since you thought I was useing vmware? or suprised that I have used in past? or well both? and why?	Feb 26 22:44
DaemonFC	http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3867456/Novell-Linux-Breaks-Even-as-Microsoft-Deal-Revenues-Wane.htm	Feb 26 22:44
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DaemonFC	so the Microsoft deal isn't making them money	Feb 26 22:45
DaemonFC	in fact, the only things making them money are other unrelated things Novell is doing	Feb 26 22:45
DaemonFC	Why don't they just get out now? It's already been shown not to work.	Feb 26 22:46
bruce89	sebsebseb: well, you spout FOSSisms, so using a non-free thing seems odd	Feb 26 22:47
sebsebseb	bruce89 sometimes I use closed source software	Feb 26 22:47
sebsebseb	Sometimes I use Mono software, this is something I have mentioned before. Well I like Banshee for now. Something similar or much better could of been made with something else though.	Feb 26 22:49
sebsebseb	mentioned before in here above	Feb 26 22:49
sebsebseb	bruce89 when it comes to music sure open formats with proper quality would be nice really, but doesn't really bother me if I am playing MP3's for example	Feb 26 22:50
sebsebseb	I am not 100% pure free software, if I was there would be quite a few things I coudn't do, that I want to do.	Feb 26 22:51
sebsebseb	100% free software only above	Feb 26 22:51
bruce89	I know, but it seems odd that when you consider what you say	Feb 26 22:51
DaemonFC	Mono is free software, the problem is that patents can be infringed by free software	Feb 26 22:53
sebsebseb	bruce89 What I say such as?	Feb 26 22:53
sebsebseb	well yeah DaemonFC	Feb 26 22:53
bruce89	I'm pretty sure you've done that sort of thing	Feb 26 22:54
bruce89	so much so, I can't actually remember	Feb 26 22:54
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, I doublt anyone would accuse a free C implementation of infringement, or Rhythmbox	Feb 26 22:54
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 22:54
DaemonFC	*doubt	Feb 26 22:54
DaemonFC	Vala seems better for people that want to go with C#	Feb 26 22:54
bruce89	http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/facebook_patents_news_feed/	Feb 26 22:55
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DaemonFC	Vala is just a superset of C	Feb 26 22:55
sebsebseb	DaemonFC ok I don't really understand, since I don't know that much about proggramming	Feb 26 22:55
DaemonFC	Vala compiles to C which compiles into a program that only needs the standard C libraries	Feb 26 22:55
sebsebseb	right ok	Feb 26 22:56
bruce89	I look forward to the day when vala can make use of gobject-introspection	Feb 26 22:56
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_%28programming_language%29	Feb 26 22:56
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bruce89	it's a pretty syntax on top of GObject-using C	Feb 26 22:56
DaemonFC	Vala is supposed to have a very C#-ish style, but it compiles down to C	Feb 26 22:57
DaemonFC	it doesn't need anything like Mono	Feb 26 22:57
DaemonFC	yeah	Feb 26 22:57
bruce89	I used to use it a wee bit, but went back to C	Feb 26 22:58
DaemonFC	bruce89, So Vala could be thought of as an interpreter that spits out C source code that can be compiled into native code with gcc (or other C compilers)	Feb 26 22:58
DaemonFC	right?	Feb 26 22:59
DaemonFC	so it makes me wonder why anyone would defend using C# just because they like the syntax better	Feb 26 22:59
bruce89	exactly	Feb 26 22:59
bruce89	basically a preprocessor	Feb 26 22:59
DaemonFC	it seems like Vala on top of C would be more powerful and less demanding of resources in the finished program than C#	Feb 26 23:01
DaemonFC	so what's the problem?	Feb 26 23:01
bruce89	build tools and bindings I think	Feb 26 23:01
bruce89	I have no idea what you're on about sebsebseb	Feb 26 23:03
sebsebseb	bruce89 This again, replying in wrong channel, and Diablo-D3 thing from earlier	Feb 26 23:03
bruce89	the Wales game has pushed that memory out my head	Feb 26 23:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Acire 0.3 Released! http://is.gd/9h7X8 Browse, run and learn from Python examples easily. :-) #python #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopers		Feb 26 23:05
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FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: it's not really about performance...	Feb 26 23:07
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: the CLR is fast enough. the elephant in the room with C# is lock-in	Feb 26 23:07
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DaemonFC	so what is there using Mono that's real important?	Feb 26 23:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @tomibbotson: #shotofjaq Created the shot of jaq wave gadget, see it at the public shot of jaq wave: http://bit.ly/d5Xsxe -- sweet! :-)		Feb 26 23:08
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sebsebseb	http://www.junauza.com/2010/02/worlds-funniest-computer-pictures.html	Feb 26 23:08
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DaemonFC	other than Novell trying to push it by writing Mono replacements for stuff that already exists and works well	Feb 26 23:08
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_goblin	Hi all	Feb 26 23:09
_goblin	another day, another dollar	Feb 26 23:09
sebsebseb	_goblin another pound you mean? Since your from UK	Feb 26 23:09
sebsebseb	££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££	Feb 26 23:09
_goblin	sebsebseb, EU dollar? we'll have them soon....mark my words	Feb 26 23:09
sebsebseb	_goblin Uh not sure about that, and Euro already exists	Feb 26 23:10
_goblin	yeah I bet we will have em eventually.	Feb 26 23:10
sebsebseb	_goblin Have you ever used VectorLinux?	Feb 26 23:11
DaemonFC	$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$	Feb 26 23:11
sebsebseb	DaemonFC ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££	Feb 26 23:11
_goblin	sebsebseb: yep...think so...	Feb 26 23:11
_goblin	let me check	Feb 26 23:11
DaemonFC	you are pounding me?	Feb 26 23:11
DaemonFC	I didn't know you felt that way :P	Feb 26 23:11
sebsebseb	DaemonFC uh?	Feb 26 23:11
_goblin	yeah I have	Feb 26 23:11
bruce89	hopefully	Feb 26 23:12
sebsebseb	_goblin bruce89 thinks VectorLinux is some weird not that known distro	Feb 26 23:12
_goblin	I think it rates quite high on distrowatch.	Feb 26 23:12
_goblin	yeah it does	Feb 26 23:12
_goblin	number 21	Feb 26 23:12
ender2070	vector is slackware	Feb 26 23:12
_goblin	Its above #!CBL	Feb 26 23:13
sebsebseb	DaemonFC I think I over did the pounds there, since my line is way longer than your doller line	Feb 26 23:13
_goblin	and even Xubuntu.	Feb 26 23:13
_goblin	Im migrating my main rig to Elive.	Feb 26 23:13
DaemonFC	seems vectorlinux is x86 32-bit only	Feb 26 23:14
_goblin	and finally ending my affair with Wolvix.	Feb 26 23:14
sebsebseb	ender2070 yep it's based on Slackware that's what I told bruce89 and someone else before, but they still thought odd distro	Feb 26 23:14
DaemonFC	not worth looking at	Feb 26 23:14
_goblin	DaemonFC what because its 32bit only? My main rig is 32bit.	Feb 26 23:14
DaemonFC	_goblin, If you only have an old 32-bit CPU and under 4 gigs of RAM, go for it	Feb 26 23:14
_goblin	thats the idea....	Feb 26 23:15
bruce89	I don't mind which distro you use, it's not my problem	Feb 26 23:15
_goblin	thanks.	Feb 26 23:15
_goblin	moving on.....	Feb 26 23:15
DaemonFC	no, I think it would be totally inappropriate for this machine. It would boot, but I'd only have 2.8 GB of RAM	Feb 26 23:15
_goblin	Vector Linux is decent enough....I just don't like KDE	Feb 26 23:16
DaemonFC	wouldn't make any sense for me to try it	Feb 26 23:16
_goblin	Enlightenment is rapidly becoming my DE of choice.	Feb 26 23:16
ender2070	vector is for older pc's	Feb 26 23:17
ender2070	afaik	Feb 26 23:17
ender2070	when I tried it years ago it came with IceWM	Feb 26 23:17
DaemonFC	distributions that are x86 32-bit only seem to only care about PCs sold before 2005	Feb 26 23:18
DaemonFC	earlier I remember you saying that people that have 3dfx cards and need the Glide stuff being ripped out of Mesa should go die in a fire	Feb 26 23:18
DaemonFC	:)	Feb 26 23:18
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DaemonFC	What do you think is a reasonable amount of time to keep a PC?	Feb 26 23:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Fun Little Acire Story - http://is.gd/9haN1 - always nice to have tools to help us help others. :-) #acire #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopers		Feb 26 23:19
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ender2070	5 years	Feb 26 23:19
_goblin	.....who has heard of.............	Feb 26 23:19
_goblin	Axxo	Feb 26 23:19
_goblin	?	Feb 26 23:19
ender2070	longer if it was the best hardware upon release	Feb 26 23:20
ender2070	but i expect upgrades during that	Feb 26 23:20
_goblin	I take it nobody then.....oh well, that chain of conversation brought to a halt.	Feb 26 23:21
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: until it can't do what you want	Feb 26 23:21
ender2070	Axxo? wasn't that some cracker group	Feb 26 23:21
_goblin	a single person....	Feb 26 23:21
_goblin	been looking at a few posts about him/her	Feb 26 23:22
_goblin	why do people hold him/her in such high regard when all he/she does is encode DVD's to xvid and then stick em on tracker......why is that so great?	Feb 26 23:22
ender2070	ohhh him	Feb 26 23:22
ender2070	he does a good job i've heard	Feb 26 23:22
FurnaceBoy	_goblin: dunno. i'm not sure what all the fuss is about tiger woods either :)	Feb 26 23:22
_goblin	tiger who?	Feb 26 23:22
ender2070	that and he seems to get access to everything	Feb 26 23:22
FurnaceBoy	:)	Feb 26 23:22
DaemonFC	http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/blogs/postblog/2010/02/emergency-shipment-of-condoms-headed-to-olympic-athletes.html	Feb 26 23:22
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ender2070	Axxo wasn Canadian too wasn't he?	Feb 26 23:23
DaemonFC	Canada thinks its citizens are too dumb to understand a public safety message	Feb 26 23:23
DaemonFC	:D	Feb 26 23:23
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: at least we can still afford to make PSA's :)	Feb 26 23:23
DaemonFC	zomg!!! Bring the condoms in by helicopter!!!	Feb 26 23:23
_goblin	don't know, there is a mystery surrounding him/her...thats what interested me...not his dodgy DVD rips which anyone could do.	Feb 26 23:23
FurnaceBoy	a mystique !	Feb 26 23:23
DaemonFC	The athletes are using them faster than we can keep up!!!	Feb 26 23:23
DaemonFC	ZOMG!!!!	Feb 26 23:24
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, There are PSAs here for every fucking thing	Feb 26 23:24
DaemonFC	they come on late at night and talk about alcoholism, domestic abuse	Feb 26 23:25
DaemonFC	child abuse	Feb 26 23:25
DaemonFC	smoking	Feb 26 23:25
DaemonFC	drinking	Feb 26 23:25
DaemonFC	and marijuana	Feb 26 23:25
DaemonFC	mainly affects the local channels though	Feb 26 23:25
DaemonFC	can't talk about condoms though, that would piss off the fundies	Feb 26 23:26
*bruce89 thanks the BBC		Feb 26 23:26
DaemonFC	have to make it a generic "HIV" PSA	Feb 26 23:26
_goblin	bring back series three of the Tripods.	Feb 26 23:26
ender2070	_goblin - whats so mysterious about ripping the most dvds and posting them online	Feb 26 23:26
DaemonFC	HIV is out there, but we won't tell you what to do to prevent it!	Feb 26 23:26
_goblin	because he disapeared, re-appeared and has been faked so many times.....	Feb 26 23:26
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: bankrupt states stop making PSAs -- you're safe soon	Feb 26 23:26
_goblin	he is like a digital robin hood.	Feb 26 23:26
FurnaceBoy	_goblin: yep	Feb 26 23:27
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, No, the PSAs have only gone up	Feb 26 23:27
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: weird	Feb 26 23:27
DaemonFC	and the state is not broke	Feb 26 23:27
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: that stuff costs money	Feb 26 23:27
ender2070	_goblin - sort of, crackers sometimes become infamous, mafiaboy, kevin mitnick, etc	Feb 26 23:27
_goblin	although he's not really....He's simply a button pusher who can get his hands on DVD's on release day....	Feb 26 23:27
FurnaceBoy	_goblin: there's a long tradition as ender2070 says	Feb 26 23:27
DaemonFC	Indiana has a surplus from cutting mostly poverty assistance programs	Feb 26 23:27
FurnaceBoy	_goblin: dates back to BBS days and phreaking .. Cap'n Crunch	Feb 26 23:27
DaemonFC	and we use them to make PSAs about marijuana and Osama Bin Laden	Feb 26 23:27
FurnaceBoy	Mitnick is still a household name	Feb 26 23:27
_goblin	btw I had some time to research him quite a bit.....very easy to track down.....	Feb 26 23:28
ender2070	_goblin - if hes canadian he probably just works at Rogers Video, they give unlimited rentals to employees	Feb 26 23:28
_goblin	his home is on a forum called "Darksider RG"	Feb 26 23:28
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_goblin	and they worship him like a god.	Feb 26 23:28
ender2070	yeah	Feb 26 23:28
ender2070	they're all teenagers I bet	Feb 26 23:28
_goblin	I would hope so......	Feb 26 23:28
_goblin	I would hope adults would know better.	Feb 26 23:29
ender2070	lol	Feb 26 23:29
ender2070	yeah I would avoid all that shit	Feb 26 23:29
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, The real "public looting" is having to bail out other states who squandered their money when we have surpluses	Feb 26 23:29
ender2070	expecially forums	Feb 26 23:29
ender2070	especially*	Feb 26 23:29
DaemonFC	Rewards incompetence and stupidity	Feb 26 23:29
DaemonFC	sends the wrong message	Feb 26 23:29
ender2070	sounds like it would just be a bullseye for law enforcement	Feb 26 23:30
_goblin	yeah....Im simply interested to see what sort of people think that Axxo is a "cracker" or "l33t" when in my day to be either you actually needed skill.	Feb 26 23:30
DaemonFC	Oh, Indiana managed to not go into debt? Well here, we'll steal your $2 billion and redistribute it to California.	Feb 26 23:30
DaemonFC	More of them voted for Obama anyway, so hmmmph!!!	Feb 26 23:30
_goblin	Sarah Palin is a fine looking lady.	Feb 26 23:31
ender2070	_goblin - he might be put on a pedistool because other people make worse rips	Feb 26 23:31
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, The bailouts and stimulus are going to places that voted for Obama before anything else	Feb 26 23:31
DaemonFC	Indiana saves money, Indiana doesn't get "stimulus"	Feb 26 23:31
DaemonFC	Indiana clearly should have lit all of its money on fire like the other states	Feb 26 23:32
_goblin	ender2070: I suppose, but then if someone has difficulty mastering the software to encode a DVD then one has to question if they should be left alone on a PC at all.	Feb 26 23:32
ender2070	_goblin - im not sure if its even newsworthy, nobody with real brains thinks the guy is a genius or anything	Feb 26 23:32
_goblin	ender2070: No its certainly not newsworthy....I was just interested.	Feb 26 23:32
sebsebseb	Well this goes with that Guardian link I gave earlier from the other day http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022403035NWBZ	Feb 26 23:32
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DaemonFC	_goblin, someone should really disappear her	Feb 26 23:32
_goblin	DaemonFC: who Sarah?	Feb 26 23:32
DaemonFC	or suicide her	Feb 26 23:33
DaemonFC	drug overdose maybe	Feb 26 23:33
DaemonFC	yeah, Palin	Feb 26 23:33
_goblin	how can you suicide her? that would be murder.	Feb 26 23:33
DaemonFC	no, it's not murder	Feb 26 23:33
_goblin	suicide is a personal choice is it not?	Feb 26 23:33
DaemonFC	it's suiciding her	Feb 26 23:33
_goblin	I suppose you could ask her.	Feb 26 23:33
FurnaceBoy	beg	Feb 26 23:33
DaemonFC	Marilyn Monroe was suicided, not murdered	Feb 26 23:33
bruce89	well, that's the question isn't it	Feb 26 23:33
_goblin	really?	Feb 26 23:33
DaemonFC	there's your example	Feb 26 23:33
_goblin	how was that then DaemonFC	Feb 26 23:34
bruce89	this whole euthenasia thing	Feb 26 23:34
DaemonFC	_goblin, suicided means that you're murdered in a way that will be determined to have been a suicide	Feb 26 23:34
DaemonFC	fall down the stairs	Feb 26 23:34
DaemonFC	slip in the shower	Feb 26 23:34
DaemonFC	drug overdose	Feb 26 23:34
DaemonFC	or, and accident, you know	Feb 26 23:35
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: now, I despise Palin as much as anyone, but why does she need to die? the problem is more with a culture that can't see her for what she is	Feb 26 23:35
_goblin	DaemonFC, so then its just murder thats misconstrued as suicide...and not really suicide at all....maybe Im tired but that makes no sense what so ever....either you think she was murdered or not.	Feb 26 23:35
DaemonFC	car accident is popular	Feb 26 23:35
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: kill Palin, you haven't fixed anything. a new one springs up	Feb 26 23:35
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FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: she herself is replacing a different demagogue	Feb 26 23:35
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: they just get upgraded, like a washing machine	Feb 26 23:36
MinceR	we'll eventually run out of them :>	Feb 26 23:36
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, No, we just need to set up a meeting for Fox News anchors, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, a number of other nasties	Feb 26 23:36
DaemonFC	gas leak in the kitchen	Feb 26 23:36
DaemonFC	spark from the oven	Feb 26 23:36
DaemonFC	BOOM!!!	Feb 26 23:36
FurnaceBoy	MinceR: history doesn't give any promising cues, on that	Feb 26 23:36
FurnaceBoy	MinceR: endless supply	Feb 26 23:36
FurnaceBoy	MinceR: google Lauren Ashley homosexuals	Feb 26 23:36
MinceR	nope -- the rate at which they're replenished is finite	Feb 26 23:36
FurnaceBoy	but very high , in the USA	Feb 26 23:36
DaemonFC	MinceR, The Soviets did do one thing I kind of admire	Feb 26 23:37
FurnaceBoy	talentless opportunists willing to stick to an absurd script? that's half the population, evidently	Feb 26 23:37
DaemonFC	line then all up and shoot them	Feb 26 23:37
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: you mean Stalin	Feb 26 23:37
DaemonFC	send the bill for the bullets to their family	Feb 26 23:37
FurnaceBoy	rnb: ping??????????	Feb 26 23:37
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DaemonFC	that's how you deal with political adversaries	Feb 26 23:37
_goblin	DaemonFC, you have some rather vivid ideas....Im not sure its all that healthy.	Feb 26 23:37
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: it's a technique practised today	Feb 26 23:38
DaemonFC	China, yeah	Feb 26 23:38
DaemonFC	other places too	Feb 26 23:38
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bruce89	sorry, nickserv requirements	Feb 26 23:38
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&hs=RYp&rls=en&resnum=0&q=philippines%20murder%20governor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn	Feb 26 23:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Versus Patent Trolls, #Microsoft ’s Friend #Fraunhofer to Report on Software Patents in Europe http://ur1.ca/npak		Feb 26 23:39
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DaemonFC	in China you get arrested, a show trial, and a bullet in the back of the head all in the same week	Feb 26 23:39
DaemonFC	China's system says only the most guilty plea their innocence and need to be punished more harshly	Feb 26 23:39
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: more specifically, http://news.google.ca/news/more?um=1&cf=all&ned=ca&cf=all&ncl=dEHIsD0l0a3Me-MsxNO0j0wFEfUNM	Feb 26 23:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera Shift worker....and at the moment a rather diverse range of shifts to say the least.		Feb 26 23:41
DaemonFC	In China, you may be able to beg the court for mercy if you give them a confession	Feb 26 23:41
DaemonFC	pleading not guilty ensures you'll get the maximum penalty	Feb 26 23:41
_goblin	and your issue is?	Feb 26 23:42
schestowitz	Can we please drop suggestions of "suiciding" people here	Feb 26 23:42
DaemonFC	That's the reason I'd never go there	Feb 26 23:42
schestowitz	?	Feb 26 23:42
schestowitz	it makes us look bad as the humour is lost too in text	Feb 26 23:42
DaemonFC	right	Feb 26 23:43
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you started it	Feb 26 23:43
ender2070	hes being quite accurate	Feb 26 23:43
schestowitz	[23:32] <DaemonFC> _goblin, someone should really disappear her	Feb 26 23:43
schestowitz	Control yourself, gunman	Feb 26 23:43
_goblin	schestowitz: It was only daemonfc wasn't it?	Feb 26 23:43
schestowitz	http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Launches-Ubuntu-Single-Sign-On-135260.shtml	Feb 26 23:44
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DaemonFC	_goblin, It was just an allusion to the fact that I'm sure Obama has a dirty tricks squad	Feb 26 23:44
_goblin	im sure....	Feb 26 23:45
DaemonFC	she's not worth deploying them for	Feb 26 23:45
_goblin	but I don't talk politics.	Feb 26 23:45
_goblin	I just think Sarah Palin is a nice looking woman.	Feb 26 23:45
DaemonFC	as long as you can maintain the illusion of being "attacked", unjustly, as Obama is, it keeps the approval rating up	Feb 26 23:46
DaemonFC	it makes him the underdog in the conservative "machine"	Feb 26 23:46
schestowitz	http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2010/02/chef-at-napas-acclaimed-ubuntu-departs-the-chronicle-reports.html	Feb 26 23:46
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DaemonFC	using the enemy propaganda for your purposes, the hallmark of a successful politician anywhere you go	Feb 26 23:46
schestowitz	_goblin: presidents are mostly a public face	Feb 26 23:47
schestowitz	So from that POV she wuld be good	Feb 26 23:47
schestowitz	But she is inarticulate	Feb 26 23:47
schestowitz	That's no good...	Feb 26 23:47
schestowitz	For a PR person, aka "president"	Feb 26 23:47
schestowitz	Commander of Chick	Feb 26 23:47
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Too inarticulate even for some conservatives	Feb 26 23:47
DaemonFC	that's going to cost her	Feb 26 23:47
sebsebseb	_goblin http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8892	Feb 26 23:47
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: worse than Bush, I think	Feb 26 23:48
DaemonFC	Yeah, Bush was about right for them.	Feb 26 23:48
schestowitz	Even when he fakes his accent and mispronunciations	Feb 26 23:48
bruce89	not heard of openid then	Feb 26 23:48
sebsebseb	bruce89 hrm?	Feb 26 23:48
DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's just a question of how far is too far. How ridiculous do you have to be before people who might have agreed with you start running away.	Feb 26 23:49
DaemonFC	Palin is well beyond that line.	Feb 26 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @johnderosa He's funny.		Feb 26 23:50
DaemonFC	she's probably in the top 3 list of things that sank the McCain ticket	Feb 26 23:50
DaemonFC	at #1	Feb 26 23:50
DaemonFC	#2 was probably that his voting record really was in line with Bush 95% of the time. People were pissed off at Bush	Feb 26 23:51
DaemonFC	guilt by association	Feb 26 23:51
bruce89	the Ubuntu single sign on thing, I heard the server side bit was not free	Feb 26 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @stopbeck Wouldn't that be nice.		Feb 26 23:52
DaemonFC	http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8926	Feb 26 23:53
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DaemonFC	Did they release Vista 8 and Waledac is not compatible?	Feb 26 23:54
DaemonFC	B-)	Feb 26 23:54
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC: you ever get the feeling the GOP is a little out of sync with modern society? http://www.avclub.com/articles/february-24-2010,38481/	Feb 26 23:55
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DaemonFC	not him	Feb 26 23:55
*DaemonFC facepalms		Feb 26 23:55
DaemonFC	Do you know what you have to do to get yourself arrested over your blog?	Feb 26 23:55
DaemonFC	oh, not Michael Savage	Feb 26 23:56
DaemonFC	alright then	Feb 26 23:56
schestowitz	bruce89: yes, iffy stuff	Feb 26 23:56
schestowitz	I caught up a bit	Feb 26 23:56
schestowitz	Ubuntu does a lot of proprietary stuff now	Feb 26 23:57
schestowitz	Mac Asay still blogs Apple admiration... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10457648-16.html Sigh	Feb 26 23:57
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DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, And why, exactly, did you send me a blog post about heterosexual anal sex?	Feb 26 23:57
bruce89	it didn't start well with launchpad mind	Feb 26 23:57
DaemonFC	and WHY did you post it in here	Feb 26 23:57
MinceR	apparently canonical couldn't buy his fanboyism after all	Feb 26 23:57
schestowitz	Personally I think thatb a COO should be busy doing work, not blogging	Feb 26 23:58
MinceR	lol, he calls m$ an "innovator"	Feb 26 23:58
schestowitz	This whole item has him with disclosure as "Ubuntu" guy, but he blogs about Apple	Feb 26 23:58
DaemonFC	MinceR, On the payroll and still praising the competition?	Feb 26 23:58
DaemonFC	That's worth getting fired over	Feb 26 23:58
MinceR	DaemonFC: indeed.	Feb 26 23:58
schestowitz	it's like Ballmr starting a daily blog and writing about the cool Mac he got his son	Feb 26 23:58
MinceR	he wasn't worth hiring in the first place	Feb 26 23:58
MinceR	but if this is the way shuttleworth wants to destroy his company then this is the way it's gonna go :>	Feb 26 23:59
DaemonFC	MinceR, That takes balls. I haven't even seen jono do that!	Feb 26 23:59
DaemonFC	:D	Feb 26 23:59
schestowitz	LOL	Feb 26 23:59
schestowitz	Microsogt innvator	Feb 26 23:59
schestowitz	Let me see it.......	Feb 26 23:59

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