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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 27th, 2010

MinceRlook for "innovator's dilemma"Feb 27 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I'm one of those white dudes who can't #fistbump. @splorp is apparently the other kind :PFeb 27 00:00
DaemonFCMinceR, Why do you suppose I saw all this going down and was like "Oh shit..."Feb 27 00:00
DaemonFCI don't want Ubuntu on my system, because it may not even be here next yearFeb 27 00:00
MinceRDaemonFC: because it was one step among many in which canonical is destroying itself? :>Feb 27 00:00
schestowitzHe doesn't say itFeb 27 00:00
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it was also about the beloved GOPFeb 27 00:00
schestowitzMinceR: noFeb 27 00:00
schestowitzYou took it out of contextFeb 27 00:00
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I hate the GOP...Feb 27 00:01
MinceRschestowitz: he says m$ faces it -- from this logically follows that he considers m$ an "innovator"Feb 27 00:01
schestowitzNot quiteFeb 27 00:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no doubt :)Feb 27 00:01
schestowitzHe could claim otherwiseFeb 27 00:01
schestowitzBut anyway, he's a lawyerFeb 27 00:01
MinceRjust a typical crApple fanboy, secretly admiring m$Feb 27 00:01
schestowitzhe's newbie to computer historyFeb 27 00:01
*bruce89 waits for everyone yo copy gnome-shellFeb 27 00:01
MinceRhe could say all sorts of liesFeb 27 00:01
MinceRit wouldn't make a differenceFeb 27 00:01
schestowitzWell, better to ignoreFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzUbuntu is low-hanging fruitFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzIt gets us those new usersFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzFruit :-)Feb 27 00:02
MinceRmaybe they'll turn into a crApple resellerFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzI just hope Ubuntu moves to KDEFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzNo monoFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzNo UntzFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzWin-winFeb 27 00:02
_goblinHow about XfceFeb 27 00:02
schestowitzTHat tooFeb 27 00:02
MinceRxfce is gnome, except it does even lessFeb 27 00:02
sebsebsebschestowitz what's Untz?Feb 27 00:02
schestowitzI think they wanted to do what SUSE doesFeb 27 00:02
_goblinok....Feb 27 00:03
schestowitzGive options in the intallerFeb 27 00:03
schestowitzjono: yoFeb 27 00:03
_goblinenlightenmentFeb 27 00:03
sebsebsebMinceR  this is how I see XFCE a cut down version of GnomeFeb 27 00:03
schestowitzRemember the talk of yours about putting Gobuntu as installer option?Feb 27 00:03
schestowitzAround 2008>Feb 27 00:03
MinceRi think i doFeb 27 00:03
DaemonFCMono is not GNOMEFeb 27 00:03
schestowitzI think it would help Ubuntu earn more respectFeb 27 00:04
DaemonFCMiguel just dances all over Planet GNOME spewing Silverlight adsFeb 27 00:04
sebsebsebDaemonFC why are you putting that?Feb 27 00:04
sebsebsebthat MonoFeb 27 00:04
sebsebsebisn't GNOMEFeb 27 00:04
MinceRmono isn't gnome... yet.Feb 27 00:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: loyaltyFeb 27 00:04
schestowitzHe works for Microsoft and its henchmenFeb 27 00:04
MinceRor rather, gnome isn't mono... yetFeb 27 00:04
schestowitzThey poison other companies like thisFeb 27 00:04
DaemonFCMinceR, There's a rather lot of GNOME developers, agreed?Feb 27 00:05
schestowitzInjecting their suckers into the projectsFeb 27 00:05
schestowitzLook at COrelFeb 27 00:05
MinceRDaemonFC: probablyFeb 27 00:05
bruce89it'll be a cold day in hell before that occursFeb 27 00:05
DaemonFCand it takes half plus 1 to break from GNU in a vote, right?Feb 27 00:05
schestowitzPeople don't learn from historyFeb 27 00:05
MinceRDaemonFC: or maybe just "menu item removers" and "feature removers" :>Feb 27 00:05
schestowitzThe problem is that some managers don't have history perspectiveFeb 27 00:05
schestowitzMac Asay for exampleFeb 27 00:05
DaemonFCso who cares about 2 GNOME developers pushing to leave?Feb 27 00:05
MinceRDaemonFC: i guess it doesFeb 27 00:05
schestowitzSo I don't blame him for now knowingFeb 27 00:05
MinceRDaemonFC: isn't de icaza some sort of boss in that project?Feb 27 00:05
schestowitzMonoFeb 27 00:05
DaemonFCMinceR, NoFeb 27 00:05
schestowitzNovell's "crown jewel"Feb 27 00:06
DaemonFCMiguel de Icaza left years ago, the problem is that his blog is still hooked up to Planet GNOMEFeb 27 00:06
schestowitzCheck out this pic: http://softwarelivre.org/aurium/blog/mono-the-trojanFeb 27 00:06
DaemonFCand a Silverlight ad pissed Stallman offFeb 27 00:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mono, the trojan - Aurium - Software Livre Brasil .::. Size~: 36.63 KBFeb 27 00:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: not vmware?Feb 27 00:06
DaemonFCwell, them too, but who cares?Feb 27 00:06
schestowitzhttp://lifehacker.com/5478063/ubuntu-1004-to-include-built+in-mp3-storeFeb 27 00:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu 10.04 to Include Built-In Music Store - MP3s - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 63.05 KBFeb 27 00:07
DaemonFCVMWare isn't a malicious anti-Linux company, they actually contribute a lot of valuable code to MesaFeb 27 00:07
DaemonFCMicrosoft is a different case entirelyFeb 27 00:07
schestowitzYEs, but..Feb 27 00:07
schestowitzThere is another sideFeb 27 00:07
schestowitzhttp://bleacherreport.com/articles/350909-boston-celtics-nate-robinson-needs-unbuntu-to-be-greatFeb 27 00:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Boston Celtics Nate Robinson Needs "Ubuntu" to Be Great | Bleacher Report .::. Size~: 70.44 KBFeb 27 00:08
schestowitzMake this man CEOFeb 27 00:08
DaemonFCVMWare is a positive to pretty much every Linux user with a video card right nowFeb 27 00:08
DaemonFCMicrosoft has vowed to kill LinuxFeb 27 00:08
schestowitzHe'd kick Ballmer's ass at basketball :-)Feb 27 00:08
DaemonFCwho should we be more pissed over?Feb 27 00:08
schestowitzAnd take away his wife.. :0-)Feb 27 00:08
bruce89a whisky maker?Feb 27 00:08
DaemonFCblind hate over proprietary software companies shouldn't be an issueFeb 27 00:08
DaemonFCfoisting ads for malicious anti-Linux companies on Planet GNOME is a valid complaintFeb 27 00:09
DaemonFCand they should cut Miguels Silverlight splog immediatelyFeb 27 00:09
bruce89I'd agree with thatFeb 27 00:09
sebsebsebDaemonFC  splog? Blog?Feb 27 00:10
DaemonFCspam blogFeb 27 00:10
DaemonFChe's running a Silverlight promoting splogFeb 27 00:10
sebsebsebMoonlight is worse than Mono really I guessFeb 27 00:10
sebsebsebluckily Silverlight/Moonlight hasn't hit off much yetFeb 27 00:11
DaemonFCSilverlight splogging is Miguel's ONLY contribution to Planet GNOMEFeb 27 00:11
bruce89tell the olympics thatFeb 27 00:11
DaemonFCthe VMWare guy made one VMWare-related post and RMS is mad about that tooFeb 27 00:11
DaemonFCit trivializes the real problemFeb 27 00:11
sebsebsebbruce89  maybe it was you that mentioned something before, seems familur when you put that,  anyway I haven't been on olympic sitesFeb 27 00:11
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Silverlight is moribund, but that's not even the pointFeb 27 00:12
sebsebsebbruce89  also it will be mainly Windows users going on them I guess, and  most Desktop Linux users that are, probably know better than to install MoonlightFeb 27 00:12
DaemonFCit's what it is, and what it is there to try to do that's the problemFeb 27 00:12
sebsebsebbruce89  or not since Ubuntu has most users at the moment hrmFeb 27 00:12
sebsebsebWhat does moribund mean DaemonFC?Feb 27 00:12
DaemonFCweak, ineffective, decliningFeb 27 00:13
sebsebsebbruce89  anyway my point is not that many Desktop Linux have installed Moonlight  I expectFeb 27 00:13
bruce89why?Feb 27 00:13
bruce89Fedora's repo hasn't it any moreFeb 27 00:13
schestowitzWho the HECK would need that??????????/ http://www.dailyworldbuzz.com/safari-4-installing-and-running-it-on-ubuntu-linux/21840/Feb 27 00:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Safari 4: Installing and Running it on Ubuntu Linux | Daily World Buzz .::. Size~: 67.07 KBFeb 27 00:13
DaemonFCYes, Fedora banned itFeb 27 00:13
schestowitzMaybe the COO...Feb 27 00:13
DaemonFCper official policyFeb 27 00:13
sebsebsebbruce89 since Flash has most of that market stillFeb 27 00:14
sebsebsebthat's whyFeb 27 00:14
sebsebsebSilverlight/Moonlight is meant to be a Flash killerFeb 27 00:14
bruce89will I say my pieceFeb 27 00:14
DaemonFChttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#MoonlightFeb 27 00:14
bruce89Flash is a cancerous polyp in the anus of the WebFeb 27 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Forbidden items - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 32.91 KBFeb 27 00:14
sebsebsebwell maybe not so much a killer, but Microsoft would like it to be much more used, than it is todayFeb 27 00:14
bruce89they're both a moot pointFeb 27 00:14
bruce89I hopFeb 27 00:14
bruce89backwards out of this roomFeb 27 00:15
sebsebsebMoonlight/Silverlight woudn't be much better if better at all, than Flash isFeb 27 00:15
DaemonFCMiguel wants desktop apps to be developed with MoonLight 4Feb 27 00:15
sebsebsebbackwards out of this room???Feb 27 00:15
DaemonFCthat's probably only ever going to happen in OpenSuseFeb 27 00:15
bruce89ewwFeb 27 00:15
schestowitzYeahFeb 27 00:16
sebsebsebonce I helped someone in the big Ubuntu channel,  or kind of did, anyway he wanted Mono,  and there was something about how he was paid to make Mono apps or something like that hrmFeb 27 00:16
schestowitz"We could refresh the look and feel of the entire desktop with Moonlight" -Miguel de IcazaFeb 27 00:16
_goblinbruce89, "Flash is a cancerous polyp in the anus of the Web".......I believe thats from Red Dwarf....."cancerous polyp in the anus of humanity"Feb 27 00:16
bruce89wow, indeed it isFeb 27 00:16
sebsebsebthat wasn't that long ago in that big channelFeb 27 00:16
_goblinI believe its what Rimmer was alleged to have said about ListerFeb 27 00:16
_goblincan't remember the episode...Feb 27 00:17
bruce89other way roundFeb 27 00:17
_goblinpossibly....Feb 27 00:17
_goblinInquisitor?Feb 27 00:17
_goblindamn....Im loosing my Red Dwarf knowledge.Feb 27 00:17
bruce89I couldn't tell you off the top of my headFeb 27 00:17
bruce89hmm, one of the top results is my post at ubuntu forums (I know)Feb 27 00:18
schestowitzABI: 163 million Smartbook shipments in 2015 http://www.liliputing.com/2010/02/abi-163-million-smartbook-shipments-in-2015.html Not desktop, but win for Linux neverthelessFeb 27 00:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   ABI: 163 million Smartbook shipments in 2015 .::. Size~: 26.82 KBFeb 27 00:19
schestowitzLinux only (aRM)Feb 27 00:19
_goblinaahhhFeb 27 00:19
_goblinfound the epFeb 27 00:19
bruce89Justice?Feb 27 00:20
_goblinit was Arnold Rimmer who said it (you were right)Feb 27 00:20
_goblinand it was the Psi Moon episode.Feb 27 00:20
bruce89ah, haven#Feb 27 00:20
bruce89t seen it for a whileFeb 27 00:20
sebsebsebt? haven't?Feb 27 00:20
bruce89it's YorkshireFeb 27 00:21
bruce89http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/apple_supplier_report/Feb 27 00:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple uncovers child workers in its plants • The Register .::. Size~: 23.91 KBFeb 27 00:21
_goblinRed Dwarf quote of the day:Feb 27 00:22
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5946 "What Matt really wants, I suspect, is a peek at what Microsoft is settling for."Feb 27 00:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Does Microsoft want a Linux trial? | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 201.85 KBFeb 27 00:22
_goblinRimmer: "Step up to red alert!" - Kryten: "Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb." ......great stuff.Feb 27 00:22
bruce89oh yes, that's a good oneFeb 27 00:23
_goblinor a close contender would be "So let me get this straight, you want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and plead with him for your freedom...and you are telling me you are completely sane?"Feb 27 00:24
*bruce89 wonders why gstreamer appears to be brokenFeb 27 00:26
bruce89a larger theora encode with current libraries looks worse than the old oneFeb 27 00:26
_goblinsort of related.....Feb 27 00:27
_goblinI see Lilly Allen has given up music.....again.Feb 27 00:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "I could refresh the look and feel of my whole bank account with Moonlight." -- Miguel de TurncoatFeb 27 00:30
schestowitzThere's this Ryan Windsor guy shilling for MicrosoftFeb 27 00:32
schestowitzWatch out for these freaks...Feb 27 00:32
schestowitzHe's from Ontario...Feb 27 00:32
schestowitz_goblin: and an online lifeFeb 27 00:32
schestowitzShe got abused for her abuse onlineFeb 27 00:32
schestowitzShe's used to one-way communicationFeb 27 00:32
schestowitzTV->viewerFeb 27 00:33
schestowitzNot <->Feb 27 00:33
schestowitzIt protects her, like a babyFeb 27 00:33
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: something like that, yeahFeb 27 00:33
schestowitzHe's looking out for himself, not FOSSFeb 27 00:33
_goblinwell whatever the cause of her leaving the music scene, we can be thankful for it....lets just hope she stays away this time.....apparently she will be selling clothes, so stay away from TKmax in the future.Feb 27 00:34
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/06/ooxml-gnome-debate/Feb 27 00:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Quick Mention: OOXML/GNOME Podcast Finally Online, Text Summary Posted | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.42 KBFeb 27 00:34
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/06/ooxml-gnome-debate/Feb 27 00:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Quick Mention: OOXML/GNOME Podcast Finally Online, Text Summary Posted | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.42 KBFeb 27 00:34
schestowitzStephane Rodriguez:Feb 27 00:34
schestowitz"To wrap up on the podcast, I would say that almost no question was asked and allowed to be answered anyway. The one I would like to get an answer : how does it feel for a so-called open-source group such as Gnome to be Microsoft best friends? So far, Microsoft has got all the marketing PR they wanted from “open-source” groups that are remarkably compatible with Microsoft minds. Again, I think those guys are just Microsoft Feb 27 00:34
schestowitzpersons who take a pride not to be on their payroll. (DeIcaza told me in the past that he’s rich)."Feb 27 00:34
schestowitzAnd yet he spouts out at Microsoft events that there's no money in FOSSFeb 27 00:35
schestowitzHe sells out FOSSFeb 27 00:35
schestowitzThen mocks itFeb 27 00:35
schestowitz_goblin: you're joking, right?Feb 27 00:35
schestowitzClothes? Like Puff Daddy Sean Combs?Feb 27 00:35
schestowitzBad Boy.... maybe her label will be "bad girl"Feb 27 00:35
schestowitzThe gal who fell in love with the phat mogul....Feb 27 00:36
schestowitzOh dear!! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10456164-16.htmlFeb 27 00:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Is monogamy good for technology? | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 120.75 KBFeb 27 00:36
_goblinschestowitz: no, she is going into fashion (according to papers) and selling clothes......I personally would expect to see her behind the till in TKmax......Feb 27 00:37
schestowitzMac Asay at it again... "Which brings me back to iTunes. Apple COO Tim Cook suggests that the magic of Apple is its seamless interoperability with other Apple technology. Monogamy, in other words."Feb 27 00:37
schestowitzFor Pete's sake!Feb 27 00:37
schestowitzNow he's taking lessons from the rapid anti-Freedom company?Feb 27 00:37
schestowitzTo justify DRM?Feb 27 00:37
schestowitz_goblin: she's too spoiled for thatFeb 27 00:38
schestowitzWants to be rich,... and to spend lots of money...."Feb 27 00:38
schestowitzI sometimes wonder if singers are as poor as atheletesFeb 27 00:39
_goblinschestowitz: I think Lily allen isn't short of a few bob.Feb 27 00:39
schestowitzHigh on fame, low on cash... they get nickels on albumsFeb 27 00:39
schestowitzSuperstars like "EminemFeb 27 00:39
schestowitzSuperstars like "Eminem" (Mathers) would be millionairesFeb 27 00:39
schestowitzTake That seem to have run out of cashFeb 27 00:39
schestowitzReunionsFeb 27 00:40
_goblinEninem is a superstar? when did that happen?  I thought he was a potty mouthed lad who didn't like his mum.Feb 27 00:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just downloaded a track from @davegorman "Genius" to test the Ubuntu One Music Store :) Went to see the TV version once.Is it coming back?Feb 27 00:40
schestowitzVictoria Beckham found a rich husband...Feb 27 00:40
schestowitz_goblin: he's very popularFeb 27 00:40
schestowitzSelling millionsFeb 27 00:40
_goblinis he?Feb 27 00:40
schestowitzYesFeb 27 00:40
_goblinah....I remember the mickey take vid that ICP did of him.....Feb 27 00:40
schestowitzBut many one-hit, one-album artists live quietly with littleFeb 27 00:41
schestowitzUnless they have a lasting/last career like AbbaFeb 27 00:41
_goblinMC Hammer was the man.Feb 27 00:41
_goblinYou can't touch this.....Feb 27 00:41
schestowitzI have a friend who used to play rugby for England SevensFeb 27 00:41
schestowitzHe had repeated injury and is quite brokeFeb 27 00:41
schestowitzSports suck unless it's something like football here or basketball/golf/tennis elsewhereFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzThey can't make a livingFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzNot after retiring in their 30sFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzSame for singersFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzTheir careers last a short timeFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzSometimes 15 minutes or fameFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzSometimes a songFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzSometimes an albumFeb 27 00:42
schestowitzMadonna managed to make it almosta  lifetime. Michael Jackson tooFeb 27 00:42
_goblinI don't know....I think they live the life and blow their money....if they were sensible they probably would be able to live comfortably.Feb 27 00:42
schestowitzRobyn is trying to get back to it and other do too, it just often fails and they never retryFeb 27 00:43
schestowitz_goblin: but they don't know where it goesFeb 27 00:43
schestowitzThey can predict that'll have another good albumFeb 27 00:43
_goblinup the nose in many cases.Feb 27 00:43
schestowitzBut many get trashedFeb 27 00:43
schestowitzLook at ObamaFeb 27 00:43
schestowitzHe wrote a bookFeb 27 00:43
schestowitzit didn't sellFeb 27 00:43
schestowitzThey took it off the shelves quicklyFeb 27 00:43
schestowitzIt was about his life, father, etc.Feb 27 00:43
schestowitzSame with many bandsFeb 27 00:44
schestowitzThey get capital and fail, never to be trusted againFeb 27 00:44
schestowitzA lot of people I speak to have misconception about the whole "glamour" cultureFeb 27 00:44
schestowitzThey think footballers are millionairesFeb 27 00:44
schestowitzEven though ver few areFeb 27 00:44
schestowitzAnd they don'\t understand that they only last a few years in their primeFeb 27 00:44
schestowitzThen they coach children or soemthingFeb 27 00:45
bruce89oh well, there goes my looking forward to the match tomorrowFeb 27 00:45
schestowitzMy football coach used to be a famous player... and many oft he trainers are like that too.... some singers turn to work in some pubs.Feb 27 00:45
_goblinRoy, Ive had the opportunity of working near to a few of those the people......the problem is in for example football, all footballers try to live the life like Beckham. Thats where teh money goes.Feb 27 00:45
schestowitzSelf-unfulling propheciesFeb 27 00:45
_goblinBeckham can live like Beckham....Sol Davis can'tFeb 27 00:45
schestowitzBuilding an image for themselvesFeb 27 00:46
schestowitz_goblin: no-one canFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzNot even BackhamFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzIt's a brand/illusionFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzThey won't show you how they pick up the trashFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzThy control the mental imagesFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzSame in companiesFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzSame with criminals.. like those who came from MicrosoftFeb 27 00:46
schestowitzThey have PR agents in all those places, inc. footballs clubsFeb 27 00:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, Novell is not litterally spamming comments sections on articles and blog postsFeb 27 00:47
schestowitzMan Utd. forbids tweeting by playersFeb 27 00:47
DaemonFChttp://www.serverwatch.com/columns/article.php/3866621/Linux-Server-Management-Nightmare-Attack-of-the-Killer-Penguins.htmFeb 27 00:47
schestowitzThey want to presevre some message about their brandFeb 27 00:47
DaemonFCscroll down to "By Mona Chadha, Novell   February 24 2010 3:49 PMPDT"Feb 27 00:47
DaemonFC*now literallyFeb 27 00:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1928Feb 27 00:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NOVELL: Novell News  » Blog Archive   » Giving customers flexibility and choice .::. Size~: 56.65 KBFeb 27 00:48
schestowitz"Feb 27 00:48
schestowitzPaul Rubens over at ServerWatch wrote an interesting article on a recent Red Hat webinar designed to to discourage customers from migrating to 3rd party supported Red Hat distributions. Novell has just such a program with our SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Subscription with Expanded Support initiative.Feb 27 00:48
schestowitzAccording to Paul’s article, third-party branded support was described as “High risk” or “Pay and pray.”Feb 27 00:48
schestowitz"Feb 27 00:48
DaemonFCuhhmFeb 27 00:48
DaemonFCNovell's PR splog is funnyFeb 27 00:49
schestowitzYesFeb 27 00:50
DaemonFCthey use it as a soapbox to harass customers that leave tooFeb 27 00:50
schestowitzLots to be posted about it tomorrowFeb 27 00:50
schestowitzThey're very lameFeb 27 00:50
schestowitzYesFeb 27 00:50
schestowitzThat's IanFeb 27 00:50
sebsebseblame? lan?Feb 27 00:50
sebsebseblocal area network?Feb 27 00:50
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/23/iran-abdolmalek-rigi-arrestFeb 27 00:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Iran captures Sunni insurgent leader Abdolmalek Rigi |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 61.56 KBFeb 27 00:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: did you read abt in in BN?Feb 27 00:51
schestowitzsebsebseb: not LAN, IANFeb 27 00:51
schestowitzBruceFeb 27 00:51
schestowitzHe's quite newFeb 27 00:51
bruce89yesFeb 27 00:51
schestowitzsebsebseb: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+%22ian+bruce%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBFeb 27 00:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: site:boycottnovell.com "ian bruce" - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.66 KBFeb 27 00:51
DaemonFCXerox suing Google...Feb 27 00:52
ender2070"Having options like SUSE Linux Enterprise Server with Expanded Support and Oracle Unbreakable Linux support provides customers with flexibility and choice for supporting their Linux environments. Isn’t that the spirit of open source?"Feb 27 00:52
sebsebsebschestowitz  bruce89 has been here brifly before this week,    and yes I know your on about some other bruceFeb 27 00:52
ender2070LOLFeb 27 00:52
ender2070"buy proprietary solutions for your software, thats the spirit of open source!"Feb 27 00:53
DaemonFCender2070, Isn't giving ME your money the spirit of open source?Feb 27 00:53
DaemonFCIsn't it?Feb 27 00:53
*DaemonFC plays his little fiddleFeb 27 00:53
sebsebsebschestowitz a few visits here and there for not that long,  and then this week he becomes more active here for some reason/sFeb 27 00:53
schestowitzAustralia is paying people to have more babies  http://runaway-human-population.blogspot.com/2009/03/incoherent-policies.htmlFeb 27 00:54
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bruce89is this the Spanish inquisition, or has sebsebseb got the wrong end of the stickFeb 27 00:54
schestowitzsebsebseb: bruce89 is coolFeb 27 00:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://save6music.com/ - a what-to-do page HT @paul88888 #save6music #saveBBC6MusicFeb 27 00:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Save BBC 6Music! .::. Size~: 4.38 KBFeb 27 00:55
sebsebsebschestowitz  he's not cool, but he's ok yeahFeb 27 00:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: Open CORE!!!Feb 27 00:55
schestowitzMac Asay is hard core on open coreFeb 27 00:55
ender2070schestowitz - they are taking the other approach, increase births and cut immigration. not incoherant at all.Feb 27 00:55
schestowitzsebsebseb: cool has different meaningsFeb 27 00:56
schestowitzender2070: they should breed animalsFeb 27 00:56
schestowitzWe have a lot of humans alreadyFeb 27 00:56
sebsebsebschestowitz what was yours above?Feb 27 00:56
bruce89hang onFeb 27 00:56
schestowitzWe need diversityFeb 27 00:56
ender2070noFeb 27 00:56
ender2070diversity leads to more apathyFeb 27 00:56
schestowitzUntil we can create animals from scratch anywayFeb 27 00:56
ender2070nobody sticks together anymoreFeb 27 00:57
DaemonFCdiversity = quota on how many people of what color deserve to be in a particular placeFeb 27 00:57
DaemonFCmade up by bureaucratsFeb 27 00:57
schestowitzNoFeb 27 00:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 00:57
schestowitzFreedom compromiseFeb 27 00:57
DaemonFCbullshitFeb 27 00:57
DaemonFClet everyone compete on their own meritsFeb 27 00:57
schestowitzFreedom to make 10 offsprings is inconveniencing otherFeb 27 00:57
ender2070diversity leads to apathy, because you have people from different cultures who dont give a shit about you, your family or your beliefsFeb 27 00:57
schestowitz*thersFeb 27 00:57
DaemonFCno matter how embarrassing it might be Feb 27 00:58
schestowitzWith or without welfare systemsFeb 27 00:58
sebsebsebschestowitz  bruce89 is cool, in your context, meant?Feb 27 00:58
schestowitzsebsebseb: nmFeb 27 00:58
schestowitzYou're being too inquisitiveFeb 27 00:58
schestowitzender2070: maybe we should do it like in suth parkFeb 27 00:59
schestowitzOne common tongue and colourFeb 27 00:59
schestowitzTravel to the future...Feb 27 00:59
sebsebsebschestowitz  That was his joke thing,  I know him from elsewhere,   and then you use it as an excuse not to answer the question :DFeb 27 00:59
ender2070lolFeb 27 00:59
schestowitzhttp://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/leaked-acta-draft-treaty-reveals-plans-for-internet-clampdownFeb 27 00:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computerworld > Leaked ACTA draft reveals plans for internet clampdown .::. Size~: 41.37 KBFeb 27 00:59
sebsebsebender2070  lol @ who? not clear when two convos is going on  like aboveFeb 27 01:00
ender2070was laughing at schestowitzFeb 27 01:00
schestowitzwww.telegraph.co.uk/.../Gordon-Brown-to-appear-on-South-Park.html Feb 27 01:01
ender2070im not against immigration either, dont get me wrongFeb 27 01:02
schestowitzDefine the termFeb 27 01:02
ender2070its just bad when immigrants outnumber the natives and become the new minorityFeb 27 01:02
schestowitzThe natives (First people) didn't like immigrants eitherFeb 27 01:02
schestowitzThe immigrants massacres them and raped their little girlsFeb 27 01:02
schestowitz*redFeb 27 01:02
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Security Through Lawsuits" is how you should refer to MS vs botnetsFeb 27 01:02
DaemonFCand they can't sue people fast enough to stop themFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzI knowFeb 27 01:03
ender2070thats far different to whats going on nowFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzI wrote about itFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzThey shoot down blogsFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzIssuing threat lettersFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzTo annihilate exploitsFeb 27 01:03
ender2070you have people getting into the country who have higher benefits than people who live hereFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzOK.....Feb 27 01:03
ender2070and you cant say anything bad about them or you're automatically racistFeb 27 01:03
schestowitzYesFeb 27 01:03
ender2070but you can talk crap about white people all you wantFeb 27 01:04
schestowitz"Racism" is sometimes a shieldFeb 27 01:04
schestowitzOr "sexism" or "anti-Semite!"Feb 27 01:04
DaemonFCender2070, Since when did you get a clue?Feb 27 01:04
schestowitzWhen people don't like something that's saidFeb 27 01:04
schestowitz"Fud!" can be a similar termFeb 27 01:04
DaemonFCDid someone beat you with a cluestick?Feb 27 01:04
schestowitzSo I don't use the word "Fud" muchFeb 27 01:04
ender2070DaemonFC - de-programmingFeb 27 01:05
DaemonFCender2070, It's that way in Canada too? wowFeb 27 01:05
ender2070yesFeb 27 01:05
ender2070refugees get a house, free dental, etcFeb 27 01:05
ender2070i didnt know till the other dayFeb 27 01:05
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#25%20February%202010%20%28US%20police%20state%20tightens%20grip%29 "olice in the US are tracking people through their cell phones without bothering to get search warrants. The legal standard for a search warrant in some cases, as described in this article, is pitifully weak: a mere assertion that the information is "relevant" to an investigation."Feb 27 01:05
DaemonFCender2070, I've been saying it all alongFeb 27 01:05
ender2070they even get several grand a monthFeb 27 01:05
DaemonFCthe people who do the least get carried by the stateFeb 27 01:05
ender2070living expensesFeb 27 01:06
DaemonFCthe less you do, the more welfare comes inFeb 27 01:06
ender2070oh this refugee deal is betterFeb 27 01:06
ender2070better than welfare and EIFeb 27 01:06
DaemonFCEI?Feb 27 01:06
Diablo-D3can I be a refugee?Feb 27 01:06
ender2070they get fucking dental and a free homeFeb 27 01:06
DaemonFCYes, I'll be a refugee tooFeb 27 01:06
ender2070employment insurance, its unemployment incomeFeb 27 01:06
DaemonFCI can has ender2070's tax dollars?Feb 27 01:07
DaemonFC:DFeb 27 01:07
ender2070lolFeb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3woah!Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3you can get insurance against being employed?Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3sweet!Feb 27 01:07
DaemonFCoh, UIFeb 27 01:07
ender2070they also get to voteFeb 27 01:07
*Diablo-D3 doesnt want that malady to ever hit himFeb 27 01:07
DaemonFCwoohooFeb 27 01:07
ender2070so you can see how they plan to vote alreadyFeb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3PALIN 2012Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3PALIN 2012Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3PALIN 2012Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3PALIN 2012Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3PALIN 2012Feb 27 01:07
Diablo-D3PALIN 2012Feb 27 01:07
DaemonFCender2070, Here you actually have to work a while before you're covered for unemployment insuranceFeb 27 01:08
DaemonFCmaybe we should have told you guys thatFeb 27 01:08
DaemonFCsorryFeb 27 01:08
ender2070yes same hereFeb 27 01:08
Diablo-D3I thinkFeb 27 01:08
ender2070im saying the benefits are better than unemployment wagesFeb 27 01:08
Diablo-D3Ill become a presidental assassin in 2012Feb 27 01:08
ender2070better than pension tooFeb 27 01:08
Diablo-D3it seems worth it.Feb 27 01:08
*Diablo-D3 refuses to have bush 3.0Feb 27 01:09
DaemonFCender2070, The benefits here are 75% of your wages or like $350 a week, whichever comes firstFeb 27 01:09
ender2070yeahFeb 27 01:09
ender2070similar hereFeb 27 01:09
DaemonFCand they get taxed again by the state and the feds and the countyFeb 27 01:09
DaemonFC:PFeb 27 01:09
ender2070but if you're a refugee you can get between 2-3 grand a monthFeb 27 01:09
schestowitzDiablo-D3: Palim Ajax editionFeb 27 01:10
ender2070dental, a house, transportation costs, and a lot moreFeb 27 01:10
DaemonFCI remember when I was unemployed for a while in 2004Feb 27 01:10
schestowitzender2070: link?Feb 27 01:10
ender2070i dont have oneFeb 27 01:10
schestowitzIt sounds like an axaggerated claimFeb 27 01:10
DaemonFCI actually hit the cap, which was like $312 a week back thenFeb 27 01:10
schestowitzMaybe an urban mythFeb 27 01:10
ender2070when i saw a house i dont mean landFeb 27 01:10
DaemonFCender2070, Best months of my LIFEFeb 27 01:10
ender2070just a place to live + rentFeb 27 01:10
ender2070say*Feb 27 01:10
DaemonFCincome, no work to go to, nicer car than I have nowFeb 27 01:11
DaemonFCdoing whatever I wantedFeb 27 01:11
ender2070transportation is probably the busFeb 27 01:11
ender2070it was leaked info, from a government workerFeb 27 01:11
DaemonFCI started putting in job apps at places I knew would never hire meFeb 27 01:11
DaemonFCkept the unemployment coming longerFeb 27 01:11
DaemonFCand then something happened and they extended tit for another 6 monthsFeb 27 01:12
DaemonFCI ended up going for nearly a year with a guaranteed income and no obligationsFeb 27 01:12
ender2070DaemonFC - if you're "laid off", not "fired" here in Ontario Canada, you can get Second Career which will fund 2 years of collegeFeb 27 01:12
DaemonFCit corrupts youFeb 27 01:12
DaemonFCyeah, they do something like that hereFeb 27 01:13
schestowitzhttp://www.avaaz.org/en/stealing_from_haiti/?vlFeb 27 01:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Money for Haiti, not dictators .::. Size~: 53.66 KBFeb 27 01:13
DaemonFCit's not college, it's job trainingFeb 27 01:13
DaemonFClike vocational stuffFeb 27 01:13
ender2070they do that here tooFeb 27 01:13
ender2070they have bothFeb 27 01:13
ender2070second career is just newerFeb 27 01:13
DaemonFCender2070, The law as written is easily exploitedFeb 27 01:15
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DaemonFCthey really should require you to quit dicking around and find workFeb 27 01:15
ender2070yesFeb 27 01:15
DaemonFCit's obvious that jobs I'm not qualified for were not going to hire meFeb 27 01:15
DaemonFCand I know I'm not the only person who has done thatFeb 27 01:15
ender2070yeah but at the same time there are some people out there forced to do so because of the little jobs availableFeb 27 01:16
ender2070you shouldn't be forced to work at mcdonalds because you cant find a tech jobFeb 27 01:16
DaemonFCyeah, I'm not saying that they should get cut off, I'm saying if the employment counselor looks up at me and says "I see you've applied at Hot Topic this week"Feb 27 01:17
DaemonFCit should set off an alarmFeb 27 01:17
ender2070lolFeb 27 01:17
ender2070I find it surprising to hear programming is a top jobFeb 27 01:18
ender2070despite jobs being shipped to IndiaFeb 27 01:18
DaemonFCThey should do that shit too, like "I see you've applied at Hot Topic this week", and just glare at youFeb 27 01:18
DaemonFCand if you start busting out laughing, you get cut offFeb 27 01:18
DaemonFClittle tests, you know?Feb 27 01:19
ender2070yeahFeb 27 01:19
ender2070I dunno though it's not such an easy thing to solveFeb 27 01:19
DaemonFCI should have applied to be the CEO of MicrosoftFeb 27 01:20
DaemonFCsee if that countsFeb 27 01:20
ender2070there are people who game the system but how do you punish them without punishing the people who have legit needsFeb 27 01:20
DaemonFCI'm just really motivatedFeb 27 01:20
DaemonFCender2070, You can in some cases.Feb 27 01:20
DaemonFCLike limiting the number of years a woman can be on TANF to 5 in their entire lifeFeb 27 01:21
DaemonFCand making sure they know itFeb 27 01:21
DaemonFCit used to be that you had these career welfare mothers that stayed on the cash welfare foreverFeb 27 01:22
DaemonFCthe Republicans forced the reform of that on Clinton back in 1996Feb 27 01:22
DaemonFCNow you can be on it a total of 5 years in your life.Feb 27 01:22
DaemonFCExcuses the "I had one kid by accident" people and goes after the "The more babies, the more money" typesFeb 27 01:23
ender2070what happens if you have bad luckFeb 27 01:23
DaemonFCand it's cut our cash welfare rolls to 25% what they were in 1996Feb 27 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikipedia blog: The #Wikipedia/#Wikimedia Press Coverage Bingo Card. http://is.gd/9hB0LFeb 27 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: David Gerard  » Blog Archive   » The Wikipedia/Wikimedia Press Coverage Bingo Card. .::. Size~: 12.34 KBFeb 27 01:24
DaemonFCender2070, Getting pregnant or not is no a matter of luck.Feb 27 01:24
ender2070no but what if you get laid off like 20 times in the course of your lifetimeFeb 27 01:25
DaemonFCthere's still other help you can getFeb 27 01:25
ender2070oh okFeb 27 01:25
DaemonFCfood stamps don't have a limit, medicaid for your kids has no limit, energy assistance has no limitFeb 27 01:26
DaemonFChanding over cash has a limitFeb 27 01:26
DaemonFCthere's also things like Section 8 housingFeb 27 01:26
DaemonFCif the mother is really out of work, the rent really can go down to $0Feb 27 01:26
ender2070thats pretty good thenFeb 27 01:27
DaemonFCI think the idea is more towards giving them material assistance that they won't be trading for drugsFeb 27 01:27
DaemonFClike when food stamps went to the debit card systemFeb 27 01:27
ender2070yeahFeb 27 01:27
DaemonFCthere's also Head StartFeb 27 01:28
DaemonFCthat's like a federal kindergarten program for low income kidsFeb 27 01:28
sebsebsebbruce89 http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-frustrates-37036Feb 27 01:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux frustrates! .::. Size~: 118.36 KBFeb 27 01:28
DaemonFCkid goes there, has breakfast, stays there the dayFeb 27 01:29
sebsebsebjono You might find that one a good read actsualley.Feb 27 01:29
DaemonFCkind of doubles as free babysittingFeb 27 01:29
ender2070yeah that stuff is all goodFeb 27 01:29
DaemonFCI wonder what jono would say about their CTO pimping the MacFeb 27 01:29
DaemonFCI bet jono would be angry, jono would maybe even smash!!!!Feb 27 01:30
DaemonFC:DFeb 27 01:30
ender2070pimping the mac?Feb 27 01:30
DaemonFCender2070, Matt AsayFeb 27 01:30
ender2070lolFeb 27 01:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: CTO is ZimmermanFeb 27 01:30
jonoDaemonFC, Matt Zimmerman hasn't pimped the MacFeb 27 01:30
DaemonFCthe article I read said CTO was the position Asay was takingFeb 27 01:31
DaemonFCso where is Asay?Feb 27 01:31
ender2070CEO of Canonical ?Feb 27 01:31
jonoDaemonFC, he is COOFeb 27 01:31
Diablo-D3chief oral (as in dick sucking) officer?Feb 27 01:31
schestowitzSheeshFeb 27 01:31
DaemonFCright, jono so, any comment? about your COO pimping the Mac?Feb 27 01:31
schestowitzC'mon, be politeFeb 27 01:31
jonoDaemonFC, whateverFeb 27 01:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: he does bothFeb 27 01:32
DaemonFChe goes both ways?Feb 27 01:32
schestowitzBut anyway, Mark selected himFeb 27 01:32
schestowitzMark also has some hardon for MacsFeb 27 01:32
schestowitzDidn't select per seFeb 27 01:32
schestowitzThere was an opening and they knew each other from the ski trips to Asay's dad, etc.Feb 27 01:32
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/23/nicaragua-cancer-treatment-abortion Feb 27 01:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nicaragua prevents treatment of pregnant cancer patient |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 64.97 KBFeb 27 01:33
DaemonFCa vote? As in "We all vote, mine counts, yours will be taken under advisement!"? :)Feb 27 01:33
schestowitzIIRC, Asay's family works in some church in Argentina... I think MormonsFeb 27 01:33
DaemonFCyikesFeb 27 01:33
DaemonFCmaybe they should have gave him jono's jobFeb 27 01:33
schestowitzI don't want to talk about religions though, and that includes Apple :-)Feb 27 01:33
DaemonFCcould knock on doors Saturday morning with a bag full of Ubuntu CDsFeb 27 01:34
schestowitz http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2857:workers-activist-vanishes-as-zanu-pf-want-her-dead&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=18Feb 27 01:34
schestowitzI vote for Jono as COOFeb 27 01:34
ender2070LOLFeb 27 01:34
jonoDaemonFC, well if we are ever looking for a Chief Trolling Officer, I will give you a yellFeb 27 01:34
schestowitzSeriouslyFeb 27 01:34
sebsebsebschestowitz on the subject of religions well sort of, check out this link  http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-frustrates-37036Feb 27 01:34
schestowitzHe's all FOSSFeb 27 01:34
jonoschestowitzhehe :)Feb 27 01:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux frustrates! .::. Size~: 118.36 KBFeb 27 01:34
jonoschestowitz I think I would such at that :)Feb 27 01:34
jonoschestowitz but thanks for the vote of confidence :)Feb 27 01:34
DaemonFCjono, I could run a better hateblog than NovellFeb 27 01:34
schestowitzjono: grow the beard longerFeb 27 01:34
DaemonFCyou should consider meFeb 27 01:34
jonoDaemonFC, lol, I believe you couldFeb 27 01:34
jonomaybe you could be in marketing?Feb 27 01:34
schestowitzIt makes tribe prideFeb 27 01:35
DaemonFCpossibleFeb 27 01:35
jonoschestowitz my wife would not be happy about thatFeb 27 01:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@splorp I'm an incompetent #fistbump er.Feb 27 01:35
jono:)Feb 27 01:35
DaemonFCanyone who leaves Canonical is a big stupid doodoo head and we don't need you any more, nyaaaah!!!Feb 27 01:35
DaemonFC-Novell-ish impersonationFeb 27 01:35
schestowitzjono: make a detachable beardFeb 27 01:35
schestowitzSend to your house by postFeb 27 01:35
sebsebsebjono  I wonder what distro this new Desktop Linux user was using,  now this is a good read.  http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-frustrates-37036Feb 27 01:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux frustrates! .::. Size~: 118.36 KBFeb 27 01:35
jonoschestowitz lol, just a stick on one :)Feb 27 01:35
jonoDaemonFC, hahahaFeb 27 01:36
DaemonFCstrap-on beardFeb 27 01:36
DaemonFCSanta uses oneFeb 27 01:36
DaemonFCB-)Feb 27 01:36
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/9470509344Feb 27 01:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Glyn Moody: wonderful tagline on ad in ... .::. Size~: 10.05 KBFeb 27 01:36
schestowitz"wonderful tagline on ad in RSS feed: "really great hair...delivered to your door"....riiiight"Feb 27 01:36
jonosanta is clearly a fakeFeb 27 01:36
DaemonFCclearlyFeb 27 01:36
schestowitzjono: it's like the glassesFeb 27 01:36
schestowitzJust some accessory to look smarter... a beard to weak for a conferenceFeb 27 01:36
schestowitz*wearFeb 27 01:36
DaemonFCjono, Considered a beret?Feb 27 01:37
schestowitzIt latches onto the goatee and the sideburnsFeb 27 01:37
jonoschestowitz hahaFeb 27 01:37
schestowitz:-)Feb 27 01:37
DaemonFCand some dark emo glasses?Feb 27 01:37
jonoDaemonFC, honestly? me? a beret? wow, you really must hate me :PFeb 27 01:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: no beretFeb 27 01:37
DaemonFCblack beretFeb 27 01:37
schestowitzChe is just popular in south AmericaFeb 27 01:37
DaemonFCmakes him look like he's designing thingsFeb 27 01:37
DaemonFCwe need to work on the "Designer Nazi" personaFeb 27 01:38
DaemonFCbut the beret is a good startFeb 27 01:38
jonoDaemonFC, wanna be my personal stylist?Feb 27 01:39
jono:PFeb 27 01:39
DaemonFCsureFeb 27 01:39
DaemonFCwe'll have people thinking Ubuntu is the craziest shit out there and they have to copy anything it doesFeb 27 01:39
DaemonFCmore so than now, obviouslyFeb 27 01:40
jonosweetFeb 27 01:40
jonoI was going to try for the steve jobs thing, but that has obviously been doneFeb 27 01:40
DaemonFCSteve Jobs is an old man, you don't want to say old manFeb 27 01:40
DaemonFChe had his time in the 80s and 90s and the 00s even (maybe)Feb 27 01:41
DaemonFCnow they need to brush him under the rug and move onFeb 27 01:41
DaemonFCcause if he coughs, their stock goes downFeb 27 01:41
DaemonFCthat's not healthyFeb 27 01:41
jonoI have to accept thisFeb 27 01:42
ender2070jono - don't forget the LSD thenFeb 27 01:42
jonoI have to move onFeb 27 01:42
jonololFeb 27 01:42
DaemonFCthere's just not a lot of talent at Apple, Jobs is the only thing propping it upFeb 27 01:42
jonook folks, I have to runFeb 27 01:42
DaemonFCjono, You're in on the ground floor :)Feb 27 01:42
DaemonFCahh, bye byeFeb 27 01:42
jonololFeb 27 01:42
jonolater skaterFeb 27 01:42
schestowitzI now remember the early day of Asay at CNETFeb 27 01:45
schestowitzWhen nobody would ever leave commentsFeb 27 01:45
schestowitzSo he E-mailed me asking for participationFeb 27 01:45
schestowitzWhich I rejectedFeb 27 01:46
schestowitzCause I ***** hate CNETFeb 27 01:46
DaemonFCWindowsNETFeb 27 01:46
schestowitzCanonical should not make migrants its managersFeb 27 01:46
schestowitzIt should do what Red Hat didFeb 27 01:46
schestowitzIts CEO was already a Fedora usersFeb 27 01:46
schestowitzAnd they did screening based on that stuffFeb 27 01:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: and AppleFeb 27 01:47
schestowitzCNET swings to moneyFeb 27 01:47
schestowitzNor CBSFeb 27 01:47
schestowitzPaul Allen was an investorFeb 27 01:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, Well, over the last 12 years I've seen it go from Windows/Apple/Linux to Windows/Apple, and now it really hides the Apple stuff that isn't ipod related Feb 27 01:48
DaemonFCthey were probably getting ready to get rid of Asay anywayFeb 27 01:48
schestowitzHuh?Feb 27 01:49
schestowitzWell, he doesn't blog like he used to anymore, in  any caseFeb 27 01:50
schestowitzIn 2008 he did about 7 posts a day (avg)Feb 27 01:50
schestowitzNow it's oneFeb 27 01:50
schestowitzHe writes well, don't get me wrongFeb 27 01:50
schestowitzBut it reminds me of Scoble, where people who are clueless about development type a lot of stuff for Joe DoeFeb 27 01:51
schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/open-source/97740/open-source-101-paying-free-softwareFeb 27 01:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source 101: Paying for Free Software | ITworld .::. Size~: 87.44 KBFeb 27 01:51
sebsebsebOh the link I gave a little  while ago is not a real story,  was just done to make a pointFeb 27 01:53
sebsebsebaccording to commentFeb 27 01:53
DaemonFChttp://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/26/senate.jobless.benefits/?hpt=T1Feb 27 01:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lone senator blocks unemployment benefit extensions - CNN.com .::. Size~: 50.73 KBFeb 27 01:57
DaemonFC1.2 million people lose their entire income next weekFeb 27 01:58
DaemonFCcause of one RepublicanFeb 27 01:58
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schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/London-gov-uk-switches-to-Drupal-open-source-CMS-940463.htmlFeb 27 02:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: London.gov.uk switches to Drupal open source CMS - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.8 KBFeb 27 02:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: yesFeb 27 02:09
schestowitzGWB wanted to be war time presidentFeb 27 02:10
schestowitzBut I know you refer to someone elseFeb 27 02:10
FurnaceBoyright, let's not talk about the million lives.. schestowitz you read the Pilger? kicked ass.Feb 27 02:18
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ender2070I had a good idea for a programFeb 27 02:34
ender2070and I know it doesn't currently existFeb 27 02:34
ender2070wait nvm, im gonna patent it firstFeb 27 02:35
ender2070before I tell anyoneFeb 27 02:35
FurnaceBoygood idea!Feb 27 02:36
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schestowitzThis is fake but hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAJZ3AurgU8Feb 27 02:42
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schestowitzender2070: there's a big backlogFeb 27 02:42
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ender2070??Feb 27 02:44
Diablo-D3do you know why I love 4chan?Feb 27 02:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee My husband just asked me what proper etiquette is at a sex party....I asked him what a sex party is. / what's "etiquette"?Feb 27 02:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://www.ww4report.com/node/8373Feb 27 02:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @saintpaul007 @stopthisempire @emergentculture For a breath of fresh air.Feb 27 03:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Spain's Judge Garzón faces suspension after opening Bush-era war crimes probe http://ur1.ca/nqfrFeb 27 03:02
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ahhhh http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/9704692474Feb 27 03:02
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*schestowitz looksFeb 27 03:24
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Jenny McCarthy, who lied about vaccines giving her son #autism, doesn't have a son with #autism http://ur1.ca/nqjl #douchebag #whoreFeb 27 03:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Just learned about acl on linux, why havent i seen this before? how could i have lived without this?Feb 27 03:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] *LOL* "According to nationmaster.com, India is home to 1.3 million broadband subscribers and 25 Linux web servers." http://ur1.ca/nqklFeb 27 03:42
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schestowitzThat's almost like... 30.Feb 27 03:43
schestowitzThey could soon fill a server room for Linux in the whole of IndiaFeb 27 03:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] How the hell am I supposed to get anything done with a Beagle sleeping on me? Sam Tyler, you snore. Really loud. Hell, I'll watch hockey.Feb 27 03:44
schestowitzhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/cell-phone-security.html "[Corrected, 10:30 p.m. As two readers point out, Symbian is not built on Linux.]"Feb 27 03:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LA Time #fail : http://ur1.ca/nqky "[Corrected, 10:30 p.m. As two readers point out, Symbian is not built on Linux.]"Feb 27 03:45
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ziggyfishschestowitz, what's next a virus scanner for your phone, nice.Feb 27 03:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @unemployedBush Throw the poor dummy a bone will ya.Feb 27 03:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@techweenie Army of Dorkness #teapartymovies // or just Heart of Darkness, works unchangedFeb 27 03:54
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02/20-geeky-images-from-space/Feb 27 03:59
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schestowitzziggyfish: weak passwords are an issueFeb 27 04:00
schestowitzAnd remote access enabled by defaultFeb 27 04:00
schestowitzAsterisk had some exploited holesFeb 27 04:00
schestowitzThese are some really whacky pictures.. http://2leep.com/news/2525/100/Feb 27 04:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Your Dirty Mind - 8 Funny Pics .::. Size~: 70.44 KBFeb 27 04:03
schestowitzgnFeb 27 04:13
ender2070waitFeb 27 04:17
ender2070ohFeb 27 04:17
ender2070the var guy is talking about himself in a 3rd party on lxerFeb 27 04:17
DaemonFCender2070, So should we be pressing for Vala usage alongside urging people not to use Mono?Feb 27 04:22
DaemonFCmaybe give Vala a little positive nudging?Feb 27 04:23
ender2070what would that achieveFeb 27 04:26
DaemonFCgives them what they say they wantFeb 27 04:27
ender2070people use mono for 1 of 2 reasonsFeb 27 04:27
DaemonFCbribed to do so is oneFeb 27 04:27
ender20701) not wanting to write garbage collectorsFeb 27 04:27
ender20702) wanking to ms technologyFeb 27 04:27
DaemonFCPython doesn't make you deal with garbage collection does it?Feb 27 04:28
ender2070noFeb 27 04:28
ender2070if #1 fails, fallback on #2Feb 27 04:28
DaemonFCwhat would be a good C# alternative?Feb 27 04:28
ender2070javaFeb 27 04:28
DaemonFCtoo heavy?Feb 27 04:28
ender2070same as c#Feb 27 04:29
DaemonFCJava apps seem heavier than C# apps running on the CLRFeb 27 04:29
DaemonFCto me anywayFeb 27 04:29
ender2070thats cause swing kind of sucksFeb 27 04:29
DaemonFCtake Azureus anyway, and that was pre-Vuze!Feb 27 04:29
DaemonFClolFeb 27 04:29
DaemonFCnow look at MonsoonFeb 27 04:30
ender2070not saying java is that much betterFeb 27 04:30
ender2070they both suckFeb 27 04:30
ender2070i'd rather use java than c# thoughFeb 27 04:30
ender2070lesser of two evilsFeb 27 04:30
DaemonFCI mean you have to give people an alternative that's not heavier or harder to useFeb 27 04:31
DaemonFCif you're asking them to give up C#Feb 27 04:31
DaemonFCand has roughly the same capabilitiesFeb 27 04:31
ender2070java isnt exactly heavierFeb 27 04:31
DaemonFChow come it seems that Java apps respond slower, use up twice the RAM, etc?Feb 27 04:31
ender2070if you made a fully java 7 compliant program it would kill anything c# hasFeb 27 04:32
DaemonFCI mean I know Java apps draw their own interface, and that's badFeb 27 04:32
ender2070the problem comes with legacy code and librariesFeb 27 04:32
DaemonFCbut it slows the ui down so muchFeb 27 04:32
DaemonFCI think that's really where Mono is killing JavaFeb 27 04:32
DaemonFCuser interface responsivenessFeb 27 04:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen.Feb 27 04:33
ender2070i dont buy that because you dont have to use the built in library for drawingFeb 27 04:33
ender2070you could use gtk bindings, qt bindingsFeb 27 04:33
DaemonFCJava apps can use GTK+ bindings?Feb 27 04:33
DaemonFCI didn't know thatFeb 27 04:33
DaemonFChaven't seen any do itFeb 27 04:33
ender2070heck i think theres even wx bindingsFeb 27 04:33
ender2070its cause java sucksFeb 27 04:34
ender2070but unlike mono, people know itFeb 27 04:34
DaemonFCso Mono is superficially better than JAVA, but not really better once you start looking?Feb 27 04:34
ender2070java 7 will be gpl btw, and with that comes improvementFeb 27 04:34
ender2070java > monoFeb 27 04:35
Diablo-D3java 6 is.Feb 27 04:35
DaemonFCJava 7 seems like it's taking foreverFeb 27 04:35
DaemonFCI remember them talking about it when Fedora 7 came outFeb 27 04:35
ender2070openjdk !=java6Feb 27 04:35
DaemonFCand they used IcedTeaFeb 27 04:35
Diablo-D3actually it doesFeb 27 04:35
ender2070noFeb 27 04:35
ender2070actually it doesntFeb 27 04:35
ender2070there is missing stuffFeb 27 04:35
Diablo-D3several builds of sun's java6 have infact shipped using the openjdk treeFeb 27 04:35
Diablo-D3and that so called "missing stuff" isnt.Feb 27 04:36
ender2070openjdk + other stuffFeb 27 04:36
Diablo-D3theres like one item that actually is that NO ONE USES AND DOESNT EVEN WORK ANYHOWFeb 27 04:36
Diablo-D3and has been officially depreciated since before 5.Feb 27 04:36
DaemonFCWell, OpenJDK + the IcedTea project has provided a completely open source and compatible Java runtimeFeb 27 04:36
Diablo-D3so yes, in fact, it is openjdk.Feb 27 04:36
DaemonFCam I right?Feb 27 04:36
Diablo-D3end of story.Feb 27 04:36
ender2070I heard from Sun that Java7 will be GPL3Feb 27 04:36
Diablo-D3ender2070: its the same license java6 is.Feb 27 04:36
Diablo-D3quit saying stuff "you heard"Feb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3sun has no intention of updating the license.Feb 27 04:37
ender2070show me thenFeb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3show you what?Feb 27 04:37
ender2070show me some sort of proofFeb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3that you're an idiot?Feb 27 04:37
ender2070i've read sun's wordsFeb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3so have IFeb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3and I also know employees who work for sunacle.Feb 27 04:37
ender2070show me this open source java 6Feb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3ender2070: are you fucking retarded?Feb 27 04:37
Diablo-D3its openjdk.Feb 27 04:38
DaemonFCender2070, OpenJDKFeb 27 04:38
DaemonFCFedora uses itFeb 27 04:38
DaemonFChas for some timeFeb 27 04:38
DaemonFCcomplete with browser pluginFeb 27 04:38
Diablo-D3they have been shipping the 6 branch of openjdk for atleast 3 or 4 buildsFeb 27 04:38
Diablo-D3its in the fucking release notesFeb 27 04:39
Diablo-D3slashdot had a big write up about itFeb 27 04:39
Diablo-D3ars technica covered itFeb 27 04:39
Diablo-D3wired covered itFeb 27 04:39
Diablo-D3where the fuck have you beenFeb 27 04:39
ender2070i was under the impression its not 100%Feb 27 04:40
Diablo-D3it isFeb 27 04:40
Diablo-D3the one single missing component doesn't work and no one ever used itFeb 27 04:41
ender2070then why is it missing from every distroFeb 27 04:41
Diablo-D3its some midi play back shitFeb 27 04:41
Diablo-D3ender2070: um, since when?Feb 27 04:41
Diablo-D3i can apt-get sun-java6Feb 27 04:41
Diablo-D3quit trollingFeb 27 04:41
ender2070shut upFeb 27 04:41
ender2070so im wrongFeb 27 04:41
ender2070get a fucking lifeFeb 27 04:41
Diablo-D3I've had this discussion with you before!Feb 27 04:41
ender2070no, you haven'tFeb 27 04:41
Diablo-D3this channel has had this discussion with me about 20 fucking times!Feb 27 04:42
DaemonFCUbuntu is still stupid about JavaFeb 27 04:42
DaemonFCthey need to cut off Sun Java totallyFeb 27 04:42
ender2070i don't listen to half the shit you say, and i'm not here 24/7Feb 27 04:42
ziggyfishDaemonFC, explain?Feb 27 04:42
DaemonFCziggyfish, IcedTeaFeb 27 04:42
*Diablo-D3 seriously ponders taking this channel off his autojoinFeb 27 04:43
Diablo-D3too many goddamned trollsFeb 27 04:43
DaemonFCziggyfish, IcedTea has a browser plug-in on x86-64, Java doesn't. IcedTea is free software, Java isn'tFeb 27 04:44
DaemonFCIcedTea passes Java compliance testsFeb 27 04:44
ziggyfishDaemonFC, didn't Sun open source java a while back?Feb 27 04:44
DaemonFCthere's no reason Ubuntu should still foist nonfree Java on peopleFeb 27 04:44
Diablo-D3ziggyfish: everyone has DaemonFC on ignoreFeb 27 04:44
DaemonFCziggyfish, Most of it. IcedTea completed thatFeb 27 04:45
ziggyfishDiablo-D3, how  do I do that?Feb 27 04:45
DaemonFCJava won't be fully free until version 7Feb 27 04:45
ziggyfishDiablo-D3, I use XChatFeb 27 04:45
ender2070usually its /ignoreFeb 27 04:46
DaemonFCyeah, that's itFeb 27 04:46
Diablo-D3ziggyfish: right click his nameFeb 27 04:46
Diablo-D3its in the menu Feb 27 04:46
DaemonFCDiablo-D3 is kind of a shithead thoughFeb 27 04:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "People are good and trustworthy and generally just concerned with getting through the day," Craig Newmark #craigslistFeb 27 04:47
ender2070sometimesFeb 27 04:47
DaemonFCoh what am I saying, he's in Maine, of course he's a shitheadFeb 27 04:47
ziggyfishfound itFeb 27 04:47
DaemonFCand an arrogant SOB tooFeb 27 04:47
Diablo-D3or just /ignore  DaemonFC!*@*   Feb 27 04:47
DaemonFCthat only ignores me if I don't change my nameFeb 27 04:47
DaemonFCdon't worry, I won't change my name just so you have to listen to meFeb 27 04:48
ender2070change ur name for jokesFeb 27 04:48
ender2070lolFeb 27 04:48
ziggyfishDoneFeb 27 04:48
Diablo-D3oh, that accepts normal irc banmask stringsFeb 27 04:49
Diablo-D3I can ignore his entire isp.Feb 27 04:49
DaemonFCand I care why?Feb 27 04:49
DaemonFC /ignore Diablo-D3's motherFeb 27 04:49
DaemonFCdammit, foiled againFeb 27 04:50
DaemonFCI wonder if there's a way I can ignore everyone from MaineFeb 27 04:51
ender2070yeahFeb 27 04:51
DaemonFCo rly?Feb 27 04:51
ziggyfishnice now I don't have to switch back every 5 mins to read some crap messageFeb 27 04:51
Diablo-D3ziggyfish: the problem isnt that hes a trollFeb 27 04:52
ender2070you would need to find the hostname string of every maine isp thoughFeb 27 04:52
Diablo-D3its that he isnt even a good trollFeb 27 04:52
DaemonFCuhhhm, it only highlights someone if I name themFeb 27 04:52
DaemonFCnot worth the troubleFeb 27 04:52
ender2070not if they are using a crap irc clientFeb 27 04:52
Diablo-D3ender2070: he lives in indianaFeb 27 04:52
DaemonFCbesides, silencing that peckerhead would mean the entire room would be out of context whenever someone said something to him or vice versaFeb 27 04:53
ender2070Diablo-D3 hes talking about blocking everyone from maineFeb 27 04:53
ziggyfishDiablo-D3, that explains everythingFeb 27 04:53
Diablo-D3who? TrollFC?Feb 27 04:53
DaemonFCI don't really block anyone, no matter how stupidFeb 27 04:53
DaemonFCI just don'tFeb 27 04:54
ender2070yeah but hes just talking about itFeb 27 04:54
ender2070he said he doesnt block anyoneFeb 27 04:54
Diablo-D3hed have a pretty long ignore listFeb 27 04:54
Diablo-D3we have like 9000 isps up hereFeb 27 04:54
ziggyfishDiablo-D3, why doesn't someone kick him off the channel?Feb 27 04:54
ender2070niceFeb 27 04:54
ender2070Canada has a monopoly of like 5Feb 27 04:54
Diablo-D3ziggyfish: because roy, as awesome as he is, is sometimes a colossal faggot about thingsFeb 27 04:54
DaemonFCBecause I'd just be back anywayFeb 27 04:55
DaemonFCbans are weak and never work for anything more than spambots and lamersFeb 27 04:55
DaemonFCif I get banned from somewhere and don't come back, it means I'm boredFeb 27 04:55
ender2070lolFeb 27 04:56
DaemonFCender2070, Seriously, you have no idea how many times I've pissed off ops in ubuntu offtopic and come right backFeb 27 04:57
DaemonFChell, I have no ideaFeb 27 04:57
ender2070lol ubuntu offtopic ehFeb 27 04:58
ender2070im glad we're not the only victimsFeb 27 04:58
DaemonFCthey always think they're clever too, like they were the Scooby Doo gang and they unmasked the squid manFeb 27 04:58
ender2070is that where u sayFeb 27 04:59
ender2070"I would've gotten away with my trolling if it weren't for those damned kids"Feb 27 04:59
DaemonFCI would have gotten away with it tooFeb 27 04:59
DaemonFCyepFeb 27 04:59
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DaemonFCIs it just me or is Caprica just mehFeb 27 05:01
DaemonFCI wonder if it gets as far as season 2Feb 27 05:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @lincomlinux: Thoughts on !GNOME 3: really not that crazy about it, although it really is slow #linux #ubuntu #fedoraFeb 27 05:02
ender2070i lost interest in BSG after they found that planet and they totally fucked with the plotFeb 27 05:04
DaemonFCI missed the entire series actuallyFeb 27 05:04
DaemonFCI'll probably torrent it somewhereFeb 27 05:04
ender2070i like terminator and stargateFeb 27 05:05
DaemonFCthe terminator series?Feb 27 05:05
ender2070yesFeb 27 05:05
DaemonFCanother one I should get around to torrentingFeb 27 05:05
DaemonFCxvid ftwFeb 27 05:05
ender2070i've only seen the first seasonFeb 27 05:06
ender2070second season just came out on dvd so i'll see it soonFeb 27 05:06
DaemonFCI just download xvidsFeb 27 05:06
DaemonFC:PFeb 27 05:06
DaemonFCthey're freeFeb 27 05:06
ender2070my local video rental store will have themFeb 27 05:07
ender2070cheap enoughFeb 27 05:07
DaemonFCdownloading xvids is faster, easier, free, and works on my DVD player anywayFeb 27 05:08
DaemonFCI can't remember the last time I rented anythingFeb 27 05:08
ender2070renting it costs me $5, way faster than downloading and im not breaking any lawsFeb 27 05:09
DaemonFCoh, laws, rightFeb 27 05:09
DaemonFCI knew there was a reason I always bought the DVDFeb 27 05:09
DaemonFCand never downloaded anythingFeb 27 05:09
DaemonFCeverFeb 27 05:09
ender2070lolFeb 27 05:09
ender2070captain fucking douchebag might quote you out of contextFeb 27 05:10
ender2070might want to watch itFeb 27 05:10
ender2070lolFeb 27 05:10
DaemonFCwhich particular captain douchebag are you referring to?Feb 27 05:11
DaemonFCthere's a few of them, and some Majors and Generals as wellFeb 27 05:12
ender2070lolFeb 27 05:12
ender2070this one peddles dildosFeb 27 05:12
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DaemonFCWell, I myself being a Lieutenant Colonel in the Douchebag Brigade, do not peddle dildosFeb 27 05:14
DaemonFCso who could it be?Feb 27 05:14
DaemonFCit's not schestowitz, cause Diablo-D3 apparently established him as a "faggot"Feb 27 05:19
DaemonFCender2070, I want to know, who this person is!Feb 27 05:20
*DaemonFC files a discovery motion against ender2070 to compel him to provide the true identity of alias "captain douchebag"Feb 27 05:21
ender2070maybe u dont know himFeb 27 05:21
DaemonFCnyaaaaahFeb 27 05:21
ender2070he runs the anti bn siteFeb 27 05:21
ender2070if i say his name he'll see thisFeb 27 05:22
DaemonFCthere's a boycott boycott novell?Feb 27 05:22
DaemonFCI guess soFeb 27 05:22
DaemonFCoh for crying out loud...Feb 27 05:23
ender2070lolFeb 27 05:25
DaemonFCMatt Asay's side project?Feb 27 05:29
DaemonFCor Paul Thurrott in disguise?Feb 27 05:29
ender2070noFeb 27 05:30
ender2070bbnFeb 27 05:30
DaemonFCCanonical should clearly hire Paul Thurrott as their community managerFeb 27 05:31
DaemonFCHe's the one that told the world that ipod would be supporting WMA in 2003Feb 27 05:32
DaemonFC*grin*Feb 27 05:32
DaemonFC"you heard it here first!" (and never again)Feb 27 05:32
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Acha choo rosy miss naaikutti sethu pochu :(Feb 27 05:32
DaemonFCThere's a gcn emulator in the Fedora repos?Feb 27 05:36
DaemonFCsweetFeb 27 05:36
ender2070lolFeb 27 05:37
DaemonFCI'm reading some of Icaza's comments about OOXMLFeb 27 05:40
DaemonFCone that particularly interests me is his wanting to support WMFs on LinuxFeb 27 05:40
DaemonFClike the kind that caused much malware proliferation on WindowsFeb 27 05:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] back to Delhi. Great workshop at jaipur. will upload pics and videos soon.Feb 27 05:42
Diablo-D3http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/montavista_boasts_1sec_linux_boot/Feb 27 05:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MontaVista boasts 1-second Linux boot • The Register .::. Size~: 24.19 KBFeb 27 05:45
Diablo-D3ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffFeb 27 05:45
balzacguess who is super pissed off?Feb 27 05:56
ender2070lolFeb 27 05:57
balzacme againFeb 27 05:58
balzacLed Zep has a song called "Sick Again" Feb 27 05:58
balzacI'm thinking of a new song which could be called "Pissed Again"Feb 27 05:58
balzacIt's so easy to live an irrelevant, meanlingless lifeFeb 27 06:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] I wonder if when the Olympics are over I'll get my concentration back? No attractive woman wearing skin tights to distract. Argh!Feb 27 06:01
balzacI wish I could be catapulted to high social status by punching some rival in his faceFeb 27 06:01
balzacI need to stay keen on the idea because the opportunity may present its self some dayFeb 27 06:01
ender2070roflFeb 27 06:02
ender2070+1Feb 27 06:02
DaemonFChttp://s0.ilike.com/play#Megadeth:Angry+Again:54715:s1371434.9633541.2678359.0.2.129%2Cstd_4e241c69f30e42c88d8298904ecfe215Feb 27 06:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] going for #tedxgurgaonFeb 27 06:10
DaemonFCheheFeb 27 06:10
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TheMadHatter_Morning.Feb 27 06:11
ender2070morningFeb 27 06:18
*DaemonFC smacks ender2070 with http://www.jamendo.com/en/?m=player&url=album%2F6450%2F1Feb 27 06:23
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TheMadHatter_Anyone watch the woman's curling?Feb 27 06:27
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Planned to create API-wrapper for identi.ca, seems like the API is twitter compatible, now looking at developing something like tweetdeckFeb 27 06:27
DaemonFCTheMadHatter_, I haven't watched any of that shitFeb 27 06:28
DaemonFCthe Olympics are just too politicized Feb 27 06:29
TheMadHatter_DaemonFC you should have. The English woman's skip is drool worthy.Feb 27 06:29
DaemonFCit would almost be funny if it weren't so horribleFeb 27 06:29
ender2070i watched for a bitFeb 27 06:30
ender2070i hate tv thoughFeb 27 06:30
ender2070i even get brainwashed when other people around me watch itFeb 27 06:30
DaemonFCender2070, Yeah, Madworld is awesome thoughFeb 27 06:30
TheMadHatter_AH, but for beautiful women, I'll put up with a lot.Feb 27 06:30
DaemonFCget MadworldFeb 27 06:30
TheMadHatter_And Eve Muirhead is a total knockout.Feb 27 06:31
TheMadHatter_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_MuirheadFeb 27 06:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Eve Muirhead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 36.88 KBFeb 27 06:37
TheMadHatter_http://cdn.vancouver2010.teamgb.com/images/athlete/EV350x3502.JPGFeb 27 06:39
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DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/health/policy/27health.htmlFeb 27 07:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Democrats to Press Health Bill With Simple Majority - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 71.6 KBFeb 27 07:41
DaemonFCif at first you don't succeed, ram ram it throughFeb 27 07:41
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 07:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #VTV : Complete. Highly practical plot .Gud script.Perfect cast. Awesome. 4/5 i say, worth your money. /@g33f Yes its practical :DFeb 27 07:42
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DaemonFChmmm, the UK has teabaggers nowFeb 27 07:48
DaemonFCoh shitFeb 27 07:48
ender2070lol?Feb 27 07:50
DaemonFCender2070, I saw a few articles about teabaggers in the UK nowFeb 27 07:56
DaemonFCthey're having a meeting...Feb 27 07:56
DaemonFCI think they already had that and call it the BNP thoughFeb 27 07:57
DaemonFCso I'm not sure that it's newsFeb 27 07:57
DaemonFCuneducated white supremacists with an anti-tax platformFeb 27 07:58
DaemonFCender2070, I may go to the teabagger rally on April 15thFeb 27 08:00
DaemonFChold up a sign saying "I'm not with the stupid assholes here"Feb 27 08:01
DaemonFChow's that?Feb 27 08:01
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ender2070lolFeb 27 08:37
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61P15H20100226?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c0.096774:b31158252:z0Feb 27 08:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Giant iceberg breaks off from Antarctic glacier| Reuters .::. Size~: 59.15 KBFeb 27 08:41
DaemonFChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/02/100226_microsoft_vs_botnet.shtmlFeb 27 08:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC World Service - News - Microsoft wins legal battle against spammers .::. Size~: 22.76 KBFeb 27 08:44
DaemonFCunflattering pictureFeb 27 08:44
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DaemonFCender2070, That guys accent makes me want to punch himFeb 27 08:47
DaemonFCwhere the hell do you get an accent that makes you sound like that much of a douche?Feb 27 08:47
DaemonFCHe's clearly from Douchebekistan or somethingFeb 27 08:48
DaemonFCclearlyFeb 27 08:48
DaemonFCthe BBC is also clearly, out of dateFeb 27 08:50
DaemonFCWMA or RA? jesusFeb 27 08:50
DaemonFCWhat is this? 1997?Feb 27 08:50
DaemonFCshould I come back in Netscape 3 at 800 x 600?Feb 27 08:51
ender2070noFeb 27 08:53
ender2070640x480Feb 27 08:53
DaemonFCnot 320 x 200?Feb 27 08:54
DaemonFCWMA.....the fact that anyone still uses that is preposterousFeb 27 08:54
ender2070never underestimate human stupidityFeb 27 09:01
MinceRwinblows never really supported 320x200 :>Feb 27 09:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] FOSSjobs.in team updated http://fossjobs.in/about welcome T. ShrinivasanFeb 27 09:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: About Us - FOSS jobs in India .::. Size~: 9.93 KBFeb 27 09:09
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DaemonFChttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_whsnIzyf9SQ/S4f1Cp0bgBI/AAAAAAAAAOY/BOj3WoMFL5g/s1600-h/22022010109.jpgFeb 27 09:19
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DaemonFCthe fedora cheat cube?Feb 27 09:19
DaemonFChttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/_whsnIzyf9SQ/S4f0unN7mpI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/lHI3cT27__U/s1600-h/22022010107.jpgFeb 27 09:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Community == Conversations ,Feb 27 09:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] #tedxgurgaon is boring because they are showing old videos. Please ask for speaker, I sure NCR has many !Feb 27 09:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] ROFL!! > How Twilight Works http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight from @oatmealFeb 27 09:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: How Twilight Works - The Oatmeal .::. Size~: 16.75 KBFeb 27 09:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] wow terramoto de 8,8 com direito a tsunami com onda a 800 km por hora. aquilo com que uma pessoa acorda...Feb 27 10:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] .had a great time last night watching Cohen brother's 'a serious man'. not their best but definitely not a waste of time and money.Feb 27 10:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody:Labour contempt innocence http://bit.ly/9Ow4Ao Un-convicted people are just people who haven't been convicte. unbelievable #dnaFeb 27 10:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Take a long hard look at Labour | openDemocracy .::. Size~: 45.26 KBFeb 27 10:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] same in Portugal ♺ @mjray: can't find a uk high st seller of linux netbooks. Is there one?Feb 27 10:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear Lazywey, Need new in-ear headphones. Not mad expensive ones, not an audiophile. Something better than average though. Recommendations?Feb 27 10:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey not good for your ears/hearingFeb 27 11:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Quantas das minhas 5xN janelas de firefox x tabs poderão dar artigos para o blog do Software Livre? Bom, vamos lá a ver :)Feb 27 11:19
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Liberals and #atheists are smarter than #religious #republicans http://ur1.ca/nrhlFeb 27 11:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ - CNN.com .::. Size~: 53.57 KBFeb 27 11:22
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703787304575075413484405770.html?mod=googlenews_wsjFeb 27 11:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: William Tucker: Obama's Nuclear Power Breakthrough - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 86.17 KBFeb 27 11:23
DaemonFC"Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found."Feb 27 11:31
DaemonFClolFeb 27 11:31
DaemonFChttp://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=P1Feb 27 11:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Liberalism, atheism, male sexual exclusivity linked to IQ - CNN.com .::. Size~: 53.57 KBFeb 27 11:31
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, well... and why would it not be so?Feb 27 11:42
schestowitzI'm surprised the gap isn't wider, but HEY! It's CNNationlistsFeb 27 11:43
schestowitzWhy is there this word 'atheism'?Feb 27 11:43
schestowitzIt makes no senseFeb 27 11:43
schestowitzIt's like saying "unbeliever in ghosts"Feb 27 11:44
schestowitz"non-believers" is another term uses as mockeryFeb 27 11:44
schestowitzIt's charged up with implicationsFeb 27 11:44
schestowitzCNN links together Darwinism with liberalismFeb 27 11:44
schestowitzThese are similar things, maybe correlatedFeb 27 11:45
schestowitzIt's as though they try to rile up the right-wingersFeb 27 11:45
schestowitzHmmmmmmmm... got mail from CHina...............Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"Aloha Roy, I hope your doing well and making progress, as below is another article to show how proprietary advocates away the liberties and freedoms of an “open society” with the support of the Microsoft Corporation!"Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"As you may have heard about the leaked “Microsoft Global Criminal Compliance Handbook.pdf” (which Microsoft had appropriately name), had raised some questions in the procedures of ordering the take down of the website/s by issuing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act “Demand for Immediate Take-Down: Notice of Infringing Activity” to ISP’s without see supporting court-ordered documents."Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"In fact, Cryptome’s hosting provider, Network Solutions, chose to shutter the entire site and lock down the domain name, even before the Thursday deadline for Young to remove the document. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a U.S.-based host is immune to liability if it makes sure the allegedly offending content is taken down during the time that a counter-claim is being considered in court."Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"Microsoft's Digital Millennium Copyright Act notices (method of censorship) almost carries the full weight of a court's command on ISPs. On receiving a Microsoft take down notice, an ISP hastily agrees to take down the infringer’s web site rather than demand to see the facts, proof and more importantly settling the matter in court under the legal framework of the laws."Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"Similar manuals from other large service providers such as Yahoo and Facebook have also been leaked and published online recently. Of which, Yahoo also had tried unsuccessfully to use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to suppress its document."Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"Why shouldn’t the public and Microsoft's customers have the absolute right to know what information is being retained on their online activities, for how long and under what conditions the information will be provided for criminal or civil matters, regarding how Microsoft keeps user information related to its online services?"Feb 27 11:46
schestowitz"Sources: 1.   http://cryptome.org/0001/ms-spy-takedown.htm 2.   http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail??blogid=150&entry_id=5795 3.   http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Pulls-Back-On-Cryptome-Takedown-Request-Over-Leaked-Document-703843/ "Feb 27 11:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: City Brights: Yobie Benjamin  :  .::. Size~: 34.4 KBFeb 27 11:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Pulls Back on Cryptome Takedown Request over Leaked Document - Windows from eWeek .::. Size~: 106.4 KBFeb 27 11:46
*DaemonFC suspects schestowitz is a posting bot with ECC Eliza built inFeb 27 11:48
schestowitzNope, just copy and pasteFeb 27 11:50
schestowitzEverything we do it like thatFeb 27 11:50
schestowitzEither mentally or phsicallyFeb 27 11:50
schestowitzWe see things, we improve our perception and predictive model, then derive from it some new works/thoughtsFeb 27 11:50
schestowitzThis is why there is no such thing as original musicFeb 27 11:51
schestowitzOr original articleFeb 27 11:51
schestowitzThey are both based on a set of inputsFeb 27 11:51
schestowitzSo they obscure the sources through fusionFeb 27 11:51
schestowitzAt least _I_ actually give all my sourcesFeb 27 11:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: see this for example: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/27/fortnight-milestone-2-opensuse/Feb 27 11:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Novell News Summary  Part I: Milestone 2 of OpenSUSE 11.3, FOSDEM | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.8 KBFeb 27 11:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, OpenSuse development is still going on per normalFeb 27 11:53
DaemonFCtheir system doesn't totally suckFeb 27 11:54
DaemonFCit's not that unique though, there's not many reasons to use it over anything elseFeb 27 11:54
DaemonFCin fact, my problems with it started with it not having locate by defaultFeb 27 11:55
DaemonFCI'm sorry, but that needs to be in the base installation of any distroFeb 27 11:55
DaemonFCwhat happens if X can't start and you NEED to find something on the disk?Feb 27 11:55
DaemonFCthat's just almost unfathomable that they don't have it by defaultFeb 27 11:56
schestowitzSUSE has KDE developersFeb 27 12:07
schestowitzUnlike CanonicalFeb 27 12:07
schestowitzMore like MandrivaFeb 27 12:07
schestowitzCanonica... how many on the Kubuntu team?Feb 27 12:07
schestowitz*calFeb 27 12:07
DaemonFCI don't knowFeb 27 12:07
DaemonFCa handfulFeb 27 12:08
schestowitzI'll ask jono laterFeb 27 12:08
DaemonFCless than 10 I'd imagineFeb 27 12:08
DaemonFCThere's Jonathon Riddle, a few others I've seenFeb 27 12:09
DaemonFCCanonical doesn't really take KDE all that seriouslyFeb 27 12:09
DaemonFCKubuntu does feel kind of amateurish Feb 27 12:09
DaemonFCnot that that's any worse than getting a bucket of crap style makeover that they're doing to GNOMEFeb 27 12:10
DaemonFC*shrug*Feb 27 12:10
DaemonFCI think vanilla GNOME works just fine, but Canonical is developing their little torture devices and sticking them in thereFeb 27 12:11
DaemonFCit actually reduces usability, but you can't tell them thatFeb 27 12:13
DaemonFCa lot of it just involves duplication of functionality that GNOME already has or splitting things up into more drop down menusFeb 27 12:13
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schestowitzNope.Feb 27 12:16
schestowitzYou're just bitterFeb 27 12:16
DaemonFCabout them breaking GNOME and making it less coherent? yeahFeb 27 12:18
schestowitzWhat about Mandriva?Feb 27 12:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey @fabsh that's what I've ben reading/told http://ur1.ca/nrlt http://ur1.ca/nrluFeb 27 12:26
schestowitzThey don't ship 'vanilla' either, IIRCFeb 27 12:26
schestowitzAnd DebianFeb 27 12:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  In-the-ear headphones damage your ears - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio .::. Size~: 121.85 KBFeb 27 12:26
DaemonFCmore or lessFeb 27 12:26
DaemonFCI basically mean those crapplets that Ubuntu has that are trying to replace pieces of GNOME and end up making things more complicated or breaking somethingFeb 27 12:26
DaemonFCnobody else has broken GNOME like thatFeb 27 12:27
DaemonFCthough I'm not too crazy about what OpenSuse has done, but it fails to compare because it's easy enough to set it back the way it should beFeb 27 12:28
DaemonFCUbuntu has patched things to death, to the point where you can't turn the crapplets off because things need them in order to put their icon in the system trayFeb 27 12:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey @fabsh better link maybe: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/2118/in-ear-bud-headphones-damage-yourFeb 27 12:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: In ear bud headphones damage your hearing - Pocket-lint .::. Size~: 37.79 KBFeb 27 12:29
DaemonFCthere's no way to make Rhythmbox live in the tray anymore unless you have the Ubuntu crapplets onFeb 27 12:29
DaemonFCsame for EmpathyFeb 27 12:29
schestowitzhttp://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/2008/03/06/are-in-ear-headphones-ear-canal-headphones-safe/ "The concern is whether ear canal earphones cause sound pressure levels that are too high and therefore cause hearing damage."Feb 27 12:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Headphone Reviews Blog from the experts at HiFi Headphones .::. Size~: 45.42 KBFeb 27 12:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, If you're not being an idiot with the volume, you're probably fineFeb 27 12:30
DaemonFCthat's my guessFeb 27 12:30
schestowitzThose audiophiles also experiment with phonesFeb 27 12:30
schestowitzWe don't know the long-term effects yet, but we get early signs/symptoms and it doesn't look so goodFeb 27 12:30
schestowitzMy uncle in Florida is almost deaf from canon thunderingFeb 27 12:31
DaemonFCI just have some Koss earbuds, not special, just better than what came with the SansaFeb 27 12:31
schestowitzDaemonFC: popey uses it to listen to speechFeb 27 12:31
schestowitzBut I reckon he would do music tooFeb 27 12:31
DaemonFCspeech probably wouldn't hurt himFeb 27 12:31
schestowitzAs a teenager I would blast my ears off with the RCA tuner/walkmanFeb 27 12:31
schestowitzIt would damage my earingFeb 27 12:31
schestowitzRinging, short-term lossFeb 27 12:32
DaemonFCwell, there's a huge difference in classical music to metallicaFeb 27 12:32
DaemonFCbut a lot of it is the volumeFeb 27 12:32
schestowitzThe night clubs here have new volume rgulations IIRCFeb 27 12:32
schestowitzI used to go slightly deaf (as did others) in some clubs hereFeb 27 12:32
schestowitzAnd smelling like cigarettes tooFeb 27 12:32
schestowitzThat latter problem is resolved nowFeb 27 12:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, No noise restrictions here. When I go to After Dark, it's like I went to Abu GhraibFeb 27 12:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: drum beats, yeah..Feb 27 12:32
DaemonFCand I'll tell them where Osama is at if they turn it downFeb 27 12:33
DaemonFClolFeb 27 12:33
schestowitzhehFeb 27 12:33
schestowitzGoing out for a drink here used to involve coming back smelling like tobacco smoke, having hoarse voice from the smoke, and being deaf for at least half a dayFeb 27 12:34
schestowitzBeen there, done that. Damage done.Feb 27 12:34
DaemonFCno smoking allowedFeb 27 12:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: then again you carry your gun to clubsFeb 27 12:34
DaemonFCthey fine you $100 for smoking inside a public establishment nowFeb 27 12:34
DaemonFCat least in Fort WayneFeb 27 12:34
DaemonFCyeah, you can do that unless the owner objectsFeb 27 12:35
DaemonFCI know him :)Feb 27 12:35
DaemonFCuhhhm, that much alcohol and a loaded gun are probably not a great ideaFeb 27 12:36
DaemonFCbut oh wellFeb 27 12:36
DaemonFCI remember the first time I went there, and had to have the guy driving the taxi pull over 4-5 times on the way back so I could lean out and pukeFeb 27 12:37
DaemonFCthat's actually kind of funny nowFeb 27 12:37
DaemonFCthen you wake up the next day dehydrated with the sun beating down on you through the windowFeb 27 12:39
DaemonFCthat's the worst part of it allFeb 27 12:39
DaemonFCwell, if you're luckyFeb 27 12:40
DaemonFCyeah, I doubt the music is the worst thing your body has been through after an evening like thatFeb 27 12:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'd say limit the volume, watch the death metalFeb 27 12:43
schestowitzSo you can't smoke in the public arena but you can carry gunsFeb 27 12:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, I can carry a gun anywhere that doesn't explicitly forbid itFeb 27 12:44
DaemonFCwith the exception of courts, the post office, etc.Feb 27 12:44
schestowitzYou're high in gun crimeFeb 27 12:44
schestowitzAnd this is whyFeb 27 12:45
DaemonFCI've carried it in Walmart beforeFeb 27 12:45
schestowitzZealous NRA would object to changeFeb 27 12:45
schestowitzPost Office? Why?Feb 27 12:45
DaemonFCthat's not whyFeb 27 12:45
DaemonFCyou've even disagreed with yourself jsut nowFeb 27 12:45
DaemonFCthat post about Microsoft trying to legislate criminals being ineffective because they have no regard for the law to begin withFeb 27 12:46
DaemonFCgun laws work the same wayFeb 27 12:46
schestowitzBut anyway, gun crime and terror~1 pales in comparison to cancer and traffic accidentsFeb 27 12:46
schestowitzWe need a "war on cancer"Feb 27 12:46
schestowitzSupport heathcare/public optionFeb 27 12:46
DaemonFCtell me what kind of criminal would bother to follow the legal path to gun ownership?Feb 27 12:47
schestowitzConfiscationFeb 27 12:47
DaemonFCor do criminals just illegally buy more firepower than the cops have?Feb 27 12:47
DaemonFCI think soFeb 27 12:47
schestowitz"oh man, them gonna gets me gun, I don't like them liberals me..."Feb 27 12:47
DaemonFCI have it, they're not taking itFeb 27 12:47
schestowitzPeople don't have freedom to killFeb 27 12:48
schestowitzThat's what guns doFeb 27 12:48
schestowitzTotal freedom is not possibleFeb 27 12:48
schestowitzBut there are tautologiesFeb 27 12:48
DaemonFCI haven't committed any felonies, so I have the right to own a gunFeb 27 12:48
DaemonFCuntil I commit a felony, I have the rightFeb 27 12:48
schestowitzYou don't just kill another animal unless you eat it to survive or somethingFeb 27 12:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're a loaded gun thenFeb 27 12:49
schestowitzAnd you don't need a gunFeb 27 12:49
schestowitzI can't imagine a circumstance where it will improve personal/national securityFeb 27 12:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, And the only purpose of karate is to killFeb 27 12:49
schestowitzAn armor mightFeb 27 12:49
DaemonFCit's never to defend yourselfFeb 27 12:49
DaemonFClearning karate makes you a criminalFeb 27 12:49
schestowitzOr boost to your immune systemFeb 27 12:49
DaemonFCand you can kill with a chainsawFeb 27 12:49
schestowitzKarate is junkFeb 27 12:50
DaemonFCshouldn't those be against the law?Feb 27 12:50
schestowitzIt's dancingFeb 27 12:50
schestowitzDaemonFC: knives tooFeb 27 12:50
schestowitzBut they are hard to mass-kill withFeb 27 12:50
DaemonFCjust because some criminals use guns doesn't make gun owners criminalsFeb 27 12:50
schestowitzYou can't just walk out and buy bombs for obvious reasonsFeb 27 12:50
DaemonFCI see your little guilt by association fallacyFeb 27 12:50
schestowitzOr grenadesFeb 27 12:50
schestowitzAnd it's reasonable to prevent access to theseFeb 27 12:50
schestowitzThey don't promote public goodFeb 27 12:51
DaemonFCno it's notFeb 27 12:51
DaemonFCcause criminals will still have themFeb 27 12:51
schestowitzBeyong enemy lines they can sometimes be judtifiedFeb 27 12:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: noFeb 27 12:51
schestowitzNot hereFeb 27 12:51
schestowitzNot in EuropeFeb 27 12:51
DaemonFCcriminals will buy them even if law abiding people can'tFeb 27 12:51
schestowitzUnless you're in the military serviceFeb 27 12:51
DaemonFCthat's simply the factsFeb 27 12:51
schestowitzFew wouldFeb 27 12:51
DaemonFCcriminals will get them imported from Mexico if they had toFeb 27 12:52
schestowitzI was in Florida buying an air rifle over the counterFeb 27 12:52
schestowitzSome people buy shotguns like this after cool-off perdiodFeb 27 12:52
schestowitzIn SPORTS shopsFeb 27 12:52
DaemonFCa 16 year old can buy an air rifleFeb 27 12:52
DaemonFCso?Feb 27 12:52
schestowitzIt's the national sport.... shooting stuffFeb 27 12:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: I was 15Feb 27 12:52
schestowitzBut my mom's cousin was with meFeb 27 12:52
DaemonFCbuying a shotgun isn't a big dealFeb 27 12:53
schestowitzIt isFeb 27 12:53
schestowitzSee stats on gun crime in the USFeb 27 12:53
schestowitzOrders of magnitude above that of other developed nationsFeb 27 12:53
DaemonFCdoesn't matterFeb 27 12:53
schestowitzYour mom was muggedFeb 27 12:53
DaemonFCwhy do you only want to disarm legal gun owners?Feb 27 12:53
schestowitzWhat is those gypsies had guns?Feb 27 12:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, In France, yesFeb 27 12:54
DaemonFCby KNIFE OWNERS ZOMG!!!Feb 27 12:54
schestowitzyeah, so?Feb 27 12:54
schestowitzNot as deadlyFeb 27 12:54
DaemonFCgun laws really fucking stop that don't they?Feb 27 12:54
schestowitzYesFeb 27 12:54
DaemonFCidiots over in EuropeFeb 27 12:54
schestowitzFewer guns out thereFeb 27 12:54
schestowitzYou're all awash with gunsFeb 27 12:54
DaemonFCoh, shot or stabbed, you're just as deadFeb 27 12:54
DaemonFClike I said, Euro liberalsFeb 27 12:55
schestowitzYou just open some dressers in an arbitrary house in Texas and find one, along with a guitar and cowboy hatFeb 27 12:55
DaemonFCdisarm the people who don't break the lawFeb 27 12:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: few fatalities hereFeb 27 12:55
schestowitzWatch the stasticsFeb 27 12:55
DaemonFCleave the criminals to get weapons anywayFeb 27 12:55
DaemonFCyou don't live next to a third world countryFeb 27 12:55
schestowitzStop being a thick Alex Jones-like ignorasmusFeb 27 12:55
DaemonFCthere's no laws in MexicoFeb 27 12:55
DaemonFCthey'll turn you into a tacoFeb 27 12:55
schestowitzWe have very little crime here that's lethalFeb 27 12:55
schestowitzMugging is nothingFeb 27 12:55
DaemonFCmugging is rampant there because they know you're easy pickingsFeb 27 12:56
DaemonFCpushoversFeb 27 12:56
DaemonFCliberals even :)Feb 27 12:56
schestowitzLike you aren't........Feb 27 12:56
schestowitzRob Weir was mugged in GenevaFeb 27 12:56
DaemonFCI'll shoot the fuckerFeb 27 12:56
schestowitz3 people from the BRM did, IIRCFeb 27 12:56
DaemonFCdeadFeb 27 12:56
schestowitz2008Feb 27 12:56
DaemonFCthey're not going to mess with meFeb 27 12:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: he might shoot you firstFeb 27 12:56
DaemonFCI'll teach them what a mistake they've madeFeb 27 12:57
schestowitzSo instead of exchanging wallets you exchange bulletsFeb 27 12:57
schestowitzHow is that any better?Feb 27 12:57
DaemonFCbecause I'll take my chances rather than get left for dead after he takes my walletFeb 27 12:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 12:57
DaemonFCI'd rather have a fighting chance than no chanceFeb 27 12:58
schestowitzNoFeb 27 12:58
schestowitzYour argument is weakFeb 27 12:58
DaemonFCthe muggers here will cut you up and mail you home in piecesFeb 27 12:58
DaemonFCthey aren't like your muggers apparentlyFeb 27 12:58
schestowitzMuggers don't take your money and then shoot youFeb 27 12:58
DaemonFCsure they doFeb 27 12:58
schestowitzCause they have gunsFeb 27 12:58
DaemonFCif I really though it was just going to be my wallet, I'd fork it overFeb 27 12:59
DaemonFCthat's just not likely the caseFeb 27 12:59
schestowitzOK, this is off topicFeb 27 12:59
DaemonFCstaying out of those neighborhoods is a good idea anywayFeb 27 13:00
DaemonFCa friend of mine once had to call the cops cause there was a burglar breaking inFeb 27 13:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Lancelot (menu) is missing from Kubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 :-(Feb 27 13:01
DaemonFCit took them 35 minutes to get out thereFeb 27 13:01
DaemonFCyeehawFeb 27 13:01
DaemonFCa pizza can get to you faster than the policeFeb 27 13:02
DaemonFCwhy is gun ownership such a bad idea in that case?Feb 27 13:02
DaemonFCsomeone can kick down your door, kill you, and have 33.5 minutes to go before the cops get thereFeb 27 13:03
DaemonFCI don't trust themFeb 27 13:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik wens iedereen veel plezier, die vanavond naar @FemkeHaslema #twist party gaat. Have Fun!Feb 27 13:04
DaemonFCI'd rather introduce the bad guy to the Remington model 870 12 gaugeFeb 27 13:04
DaemonFCif more people owned guns, I think there would be far less crimeFeb 27 13:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: the right thing to do is escape the houseFeb 27 13:05
schestowitzBetter ending up robbed then injured or deadFeb 27 13:05
schestowitz*thanFeb 27 13:05
DaemonFCsimply because the bad guys would know there was a good chance they wouldn't live to regret what they were planningFeb 27 13:05
schestowitzBurglars don't mind dyingFeb 27 13:06
DaemonFCsure they doFeb 27 13:06
schestowitzThat's where you are wrongFeb 27 13:06
schestowitzThey have less to loseFeb 27 13:06
DaemonFCthey'll find the easiest target they think there isFeb 27 13:06
schestowitzAnd having more guns won't make you saferFeb 27 13:06
DaemonFClike any good scavenger Feb 27 13:06
schestowitzYou're talking NRA bulletpointsFeb 27 13:06
schestowitzLet's change the subjectFeb 27 13:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, Speaking of Europe, the European Union is now trying to dictate the volume levels on the SansaFeb 27 13:10
DaemonFCthe latest firmware complies with some kind of order from them that is legally bogus hereFeb 27 13:10
DaemonFCapparently the European Union has nothing better to do than dick around and micro-manage every aspect of life for the people under themFeb 27 13:11
DaemonFCI've never seen the US government tell me how loud I can listen to my music "for my own good"Feb 27 13:12
DaemonFCthe EU is such a disgusting affront to libertarianism Feb 27 13:13
schestowitzOh, shoosh you! :-)Feb 27 13:14
DaemonFCI'm sure the EU invests heavily in propaganda for the people under its controlFeb 27 13:14
schestowitzI already know you hate EuropeFeb 27 13:14
DaemonFCmakes you think their micro-managment  really is good for youFeb 27 13:14
schestowitzBut you never in your life left north AmericaFeb 27 13:14
DaemonFCwhy should I?Feb 27 13:15
schestowitzMaybe that's why you're so resentful t/w the rest of the worldFeb 27 13:15
DaemonFCit makes no sense to leave when most of the world is as fucked up or worseFeb 27 13:15
schestowitzThe systems here are more prudentFeb 27 13:15
schestowitzIn west Europe at leastFeb 27 13:15
schestowitzYours is the wild westFeb 27 13:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, You're in the Demolition Man future worldFeb 27 13:15
schestowitzRunning huge deficits at the moment and maintaining bogus dominance by bombing other countriesFeb 27 13:15
DaemonFCthat's the kind of government I imagine when I think of the EUFeb 27 13:16
DaemonFCyou have the kind of government where nobody even questions when the government can tel lyou what to eatFeb 27 13:16
DaemonFCor how loud the music can beFeb 27 13:16
schestowitzhttp://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/26/senate.jobless.benefits/?hpt=T1Feb 27 13:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lone senator blocks unemployment benefit extensions - CNN.com .::. Size~: 50.67 KBFeb 27 13:16
DaemonFCor what color to shitFeb 27 13:16
schestowitzThat's what I have in mindFeb 27 13:17
schestowitzYou have abject poverty thereFeb 27 13:17
schestowitzIt's hidden by the Hollywood Machine{Tm}Feb 27 13:17
schestowitzI know the slumsFeb 27 13:17
DaemonFCyeah, what about the unemployment in France?Feb 27 13:17
DaemonFCthe anti-youth employment lawsFeb 27 13:17
DaemonFCthose riots that were going on a few years ago?Feb 27 13:17
schestowitzFrance doesn't measure it the same wayFeb 27 13:17
schestowitzYours 'expires' after some monthsFeb 27 13:17
DaemonFCso doesn't high unemployment bring poverty in Europe?Feb 27 13:18
DaemonFCor do you just print your own money and not have to work?Feb 27 13:18
schestowitzI don't think it's as highFeb 27 13:18
schestowitzExcept in SpainFeb 27 13:18
schestowitzhttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/rawstory/gKpz/~3/WkdiBhlmTbw/Feb 27 13:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 10.99 KBFeb 27 13:19
schestowitzThat's the type of stuff ruining your countryFeb 27 13:19
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/gop-rep-implies-blacks-slavery/Feb 27 13:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GOP Rep. implies blacks were better off as slaves |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 52.36 KBFeb 27 13:19
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/cbshosted-antiabortion-ads/Feb 27 13:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Race-baiting pro-life billboards hosted by CBS firm |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.76 KBFeb 27 13:20
DaemonFCthe EU projects a 10.2% unemployment rate this yearFeb 27 13:20
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CBYQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fsocial%2FBlobServlet%3FdocId%3D4387%26langId%3Den&ei=NRqJS_rzPJPeNf2yrKYB&usg=AFQjCNEmeq04P08xbdFRH1i3qb6zetF01Q&sig2=nm1PDEem9tsRUZJ57OjHDwFeb 27 13:21
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/oreilly-sarah-palin-college/ "Appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday, O'Reilly told George Stephanopoulos that if Palin wants to be a serious political contender for the 2012 elections, she should hit the books."Feb 27 13:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OReilly: Sarah Palin needs to go to college |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 47.45 KBFeb 27 13:21
DaemonFCpage 6 of that PDF shows that some countries in the EU are over 20%Feb 27 13:21
schestowitzDaemonFC: do they measure it like the US does?Feb 27 13:21
schestowitzhttp://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htmFeb 27 13:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: How the Government Measures Unemployment .::. Size~: 59.1 KBFeb 27 13:22
DaemonFCthe US hasn't had unemployment going up that much due to job loss latelyFeb 27 13:22
schestowitzIt's funnyFeb 27 13:22
DaemonFCit's mostly because they keep signing unemployment extensionsFeb 27 13:22
schestowitzIn your system, when jobs are lost unemployment can declineFeb 27 13:22
DaemonFCpeople milk their unemploymentFeb 27 13:22
schestowitzAs it did some months agoFeb 27 13:22
DaemonFCa lot of people that have been riding the unemployment gravy train for a full year are just milking itFeb 27 13:23
DaemonFCit's not hard to doFeb 27 13:23
schestowitzNo, DaemonFC, unemployment declinesFeb 27 13:23
schestowitzBut your jobs were lostFeb 27 13:23
DaemonFCthey'll stay on it as long as the government pays themFeb 27 13:23
schestowitzit showed how pathetic your metrics have becomeFeb 27 13:23
schestowitzIt wasn't the same in Great Depression eraFeb 27 13:23
schestowitzWhen it was measured properlyFeb 27 13:23
DaemonFCyes, there should be more motivation to find workFeb 27 13:24
DaemonFCthere isn'tFeb 27 13:24
DaemonFCthat's why people stay on the welfareFeb 27 13:24
DaemonFCit's welfare when they milk it instead of finding workFeb 27 13:24
schestowitzAre you working at a store?Feb 27 13:24
DaemonFCpeople refuse to take jobs they consider "below them"Feb 27 13:24
DaemonFCso they just keep taking unemploymentFeb 27 13:24
DaemonFCthat's really all there is to itFeb 27 13:25
schestowitzAre you working at a store?Feb 27 13:25
DaemonFCthey think they're too damned good to shovel some shitFeb 27 13:25
DaemonFCschestowitz, I've milked unemployment before.Feb 27 13:25
DaemonFCWhy not? It's too easy.Feb 27 13:26
DaemonFCEveryone else gets to do itFeb 27 13:26
DaemonFCit's not cause I was considering myself too good to shovel shitFeb 27 13:26
DaemonFCcause I've done that kind of work too, when I had toFeb 27 13:26
schestowitzAre you working at a store?Feb 27 13:27
DaemonFCthese people will be on unemployment for 10 years if the government lets themFeb 27 13:27
DaemonFCyou just mark my wordsFeb 27 13:27
DaemonFCthe more people the government lets stay on unemployment forever, the bigger the numbers will getFeb 27 13:27
DaemonFCif people stay in the safety net, there will be more people in the safety netFeb 27 13:27
DaemonFCif nobody makes them leave, they will pile up indefinitelyFeb 27 13:28
DaemonFCby continuing to pay this kind of stuff out, the government is creating a permanent underclassFeb 27 13:29
DaemonFCunemployment benefits used to be temporary, 6 monthsFeb 27 13:29
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DaemonFCnow some people have been on it 18 months and going on another extensionFeb 27 13:29
DaemonFCif the government extends unemployment 6 more months, some people won't have had to look for work in 2 yearsFeb 27 13:30
DaemonFCTWO yearsFeb 27 13:30
schestowitzWhen I was 17-19 and worked in a computer store I was pressured to sell people stuff they don't needFeb 27 13:30
schestowitzYou still avoid my questionFeb 27 13:30
schestowitzhttp://www.sdtimes.com/LANDMARK_SOFTWARE_PATENT_CASE_SETTLED/By_Alex_Handy/About_OPENSOURCE/34152Feb 27 13:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Landmark software patent case settled - SD Times: Software Development News .::. Size~: 122.57 KBFeb 27 13:30
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/23339122#notice-23243280 "@schestowitz That article sounds like BS to me. All audio engineers I know use closed-ear or in-ear headphones for field work."Feb 27 13:31
DaemonFCDo I sell people stuff they don't need or didn't ask for?Feb 27 13:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.6 KBFeb 27 13:31
DaemonFCnoFeb 27 13:31
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/23243122 "@schestowitz From that site: "Closed-ear headphones and canalphones are the best choice for monitoring at setting safe listening levels...""Feb 27 13:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fabian Scherschel (fabsh) 's status on Saturday, 27-Feb-10 12:36:19 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.79 KBFeb 27 13:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, The computer industry is extremely salty, isn't it?Feb 27 13:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: my question was:Feb 27 13:32
schestowitzAre you working at a store?Feb 27 13:32
DaemonFCsoftware is more of that cost all the timeFeb 27 13:32
DaemonFCnoFeb 27 13:32
schestowitzWhat do you do then?Feb 27 13:32
schestowitzYou can decline to answerFeb 27 13:33
DaemonFCthingsFeb 27 13:33
schestowitzI was just under the impression you moved from Walmart to a shopFeb 27 13:33
DaemonFCnothing illegalFeb 27 13:33
schestowitzHehe.Feb 27 13:33
schestowitzAwkward answerFeb 27 13:33
DaemonFCwell, when you don't want to talk about it, people think you're a crookFeb 27 13:34
DaemonFCor some other kind of bad personFeb 27 13:34
schestowitzA lot of US labour does things that that people are overqualified to doFeb 27 13:34
schestowitzLike engineers who turn to cooks/gardenersFeb 27 13:34
DaemonFCyes, my dad is one such personFeb 27 13:34
DaemonFCway overqualified for what he's doing nowFeb 27 13:35
schestowitzI once knew this lady who was a highwar engineer and became a cookFeb 27 13:35
DaemonFConly working to keep health insurance on him and my step-motherFeb 27 13:35
schestowitzA lot of people won't talk about their job nowFeb 27 13:35
schestowitzShame/embarrassmentFeb 27 13:35
DaemonFCI'm not boasting when I say his boss's boss should be answering to himFeb 27 13:35
DaemonFCbut you take what you can getFeb 27 13:35
schestowitzInformation industry can be sent off-shoreFeb 27 13:36
schestowitzEven to less qualified peopleFeb 27 13:36
schestowitzYou can hire 10 of them for the same priceFeb 27 13:36
DaemonFChe's a rather smart personFeb 27 13:36
DaemonFChas a number of patentsFeb 27 13:36
schestowitzAnd the obligation is not national but person, to shareholdersFeb 27 13:36
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's one reason why he's working at something he's overqualified for, Thomson has the sole right to use his patentsFeb 27 13:37
DaemonFCbad dealFeb 27 13:37
schestowitzYEsFeb 27 13:38
schestowitzNovell does the same to engineersFeb 27 13:38
schestowitzBecome a patent whore or be firedFeb 27 13:38
schestowitzCompanies are unethical and they coerce peopleFeb 27 13:38
schestowitzThat's why we need regulationFeb 27 13:38
DaemonFChe used to design television componentsFeb 27 13:38
DaemonFChe's done other thingsFeb 27 13:38
DaemonFChe was a missile technician with the air force before thatFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzIt's interesting when people who design electronics move to the production lineFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzDown the chain, so to speakFeb 27 13:39
DaemonFChe's worked at Raytheon since thenFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzAnd yet......Feb 27 13:39
DaemonFCnot now thoughFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzPEarly Gates sez that the US lacks engineersFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzThe nerve on that guyFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzHe wants cheap leabourFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzSo he mocks his fellow peopleFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzPoor GatesFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzhe wants more moneyFeb 27 13:39
schestowitzSpending less on labourFeb 27 13:39
DaemonFCwants to import the cheap labor he can't offshoreFeb 27 13:39
DaemonFCwhat's the surprise?Feb 27 13:40
DaemonFCH1-B abuseFeb 27 13:40
schestowitzYes, that tooFeb 27 13:40
schestowitzPretend he has US employeesFeb 27 13:40
schestowitzThen have them work 12 hours/dayFeb 27 13:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, Internet Explorer team only has one American on itFeb 27 13:40
schestowitzPeople who blow the whistle on them whine about itFeb 27 13:40
DaemonFCin case you didn't notice, most of them are Indian or ChineseFeb 27 13:40
schestowitzIt's like they don't force you toFeb 27 13:40
schestowitzBut unless you show enthusiasm for the job (programming from dusk till down) you'll be the first to be sakcedFeb 27 13:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, You figure they're backdooring things they work on?Feb 27 13:41
schestowitzThat's how they get past working regulationsFeb 27 13:41
DaemonFCor do you think that would get spotted?Feb 27 13:41
schestowitzTevchnicallly they don't force people to work beyond what's allowFeb 27 13:41
schestowitzThey just do a natural selection thing, where those who suck up stayFeb 27 13:41
DaemonFCyeah, off the clock and off the record stuffFeb 27 13:41
schestowitzSticklers get the bootFeb 27 13:41
DaemonFCdo it or we ship your ass backFeb 27 13:42
DaemonFCis probably what they tell themFeb 27 13:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: an Indian person (IIRC) was caught putting a back door in a Microsoft productFeb 27 13:42
schestowitzHe got caught thoughFeb 27 13:42
DaemonFChehFeb 27 13:42
schestowitzI think it was some criminal/terro grouFeb 27 13:42
schestowitzRMS talks about it in his presentationsFeb 27 13:42
DaemonFCmakes me wonder how many might not have been caughtFeb 27 13:42
schestowitzHe mentioned Schneiers' allegations of Gmail back door a few days agoFeb 27 13:43
schestowitz[Which Schneier backed away from by now]Feb 27 13:43
schestowitzIt's still in CNN, as -isFeb 27 13:43
schestowitzThey don't mind flase informationFeb 27 13:43
schestowitzYou could probably google-search CNN to find many articles on WoMD tooFeb 27 13:43
schestowitzFrom 2003Feb 27 13:43
DaemonFCInternet Explorer is such a pile of shit, why not hire a bunch of interns to make it worse?Feb 27 13:43
DaemonFCthey worse cheapFeb 27 13:43
DaemonFC*workFeb 27 13:43
DaemonFCforeign interns work even cheaperFeb 27 13:44
schestowitzThey have demandsFeb 27 13:44
schestowitzThey are not as obedientFeb 27 13:44
schestowitzYou can't send their families to another continentFeb 27 13:44
schestowitzIt's akin to work-at-gunpointFeb 27 13:44
schestowitzMicrosoft wants to keep developers on a short leashFeb 27 13:45
schestowitzThey don't leak stuffFeb 27 13:45
schestowitzBTWFeb 27 13:45
schestowitzMicrosoft legal moves to IndiaFeb 27 13:45
schestowitzI suppose you saw that in BN last weekFeb 27 13:45
DaemonFCI've been kind of hoping more Windows source code leaksFeb 27 13:45
DaemonFCno, didn't see thatFeb 27 13:45
DaemonFCMicrosoft always shits themselves when source code leaksFeb 27 13:46
DaemonFCabove all elseFeb 27 13:46
DaemonFCthey went ballistic over the NT 4/2000 source code that leaked outFeb 27 13:46
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8540236.stmFeb 27 13:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 89.78 KBFeb 27 13:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'll bet that gets heavily "monitored"Feb 27 13:47
DaemonFCthey'll turn it into some kind of army PRFeb 27 13:47
DaemonFClike that Youtube video where they heavily censor the videos of them killing peopleFeb 27 13:47
DaemonFCall you see is them shooting at thingsFeb 27 13:48
DaemonFCwouldn't want little Timmy to see some guy get ripped apart by mortar fire would we?Feb 27 13:48
cubezzznot reallyFeb 27 13:49
schestowitzThere's still some ugly stuff thereFeb 27 13:49
cubezzzthere's an age requirement on some videosFeb 27 13:49
schestowitzLike videos with mutilated peopleFeb 27 13:49
schestowitzChildren tooFeb 27 13:49
schestowitzLike kids cut in halfFeb 27 13:49
cubezzzyes, and air show accidents :-/Feb 27 13:49
cubezzzit's part of realityFeb 27 13:49
schestowitzSometimes they run these as slideshows in videosFeb 27 13:49
schestowitzI can't quite stand it, but they try to create shock when protesting against war and stuffFeb 27 13:50
cubezzzit's reality.... ugly but trueFeb 27 13:50
cubezzzalmost all soldiers from WWI wanted to avoid more wars afterwardsFeb 27 13:51
DaemonFCalmost all soldiers from any war don't ever want another warFeb 27 13:51
DaemonFCthey never get their wish thoughFeb 27 13:51
cubezzzwith birth control and good planning I think war can be avoidedFeb 27 13:52
cubezzzit's really just resource managementFeb 27 13:52
DaemonFCcubezzz, If there's four people left on Earth, one an atheist, one a jew, one a christian, and one a muslim, there will be warFeb 27 13:52
DaemonFCjust a fact Feb 27 13:52
cubezzznot necessarilyFeb 27 13:53
schestowitzhttp://www.crn.com/software/223100831;jsessionid=D32ZP4M0KRUKHQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVNFeb 27 13:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Analysis: Ubuntu 10.04 Keeping Pace, Or More, With Windows 7 - Software - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 77.69 KBFeb 27 13:53
cubezzzand 4 people would probably mean extinction of the human raceFeb 27 13:53
DaemonFChell, if there's two people left on Earth out of those religions, there will be warFeb 27 13:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: noFeb 27 13:53
schestowitzYou're being thickFeb 27 13:53
cubezzzthat would just be game over :)Feb 27 13:53
DaemonFCI'm just saying, war is inevitable as long as there's muslims, jews, and christiansFeb 27 13:53
DaemonFCthat's my opinionFeb 27 13:54
DaemonFCwar is what they're all aboutFeb 27 13:54
cubezzzwe need a meta-religionFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzPeople don't encroach on spaceFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzUnless there's lack of spaceFeb 27 13:54
DaemonFCcubezzz, A combination of Satanism and Methodist is my proposalFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzTerritory wars between animals happen when there is food scarcityFeb 27 13:54
schestowitzOr waterFeb 27 13:54
cubezzzI was thinking more along the sides of "The Church of Rationality"Feb 27 13:55
schestowitzClaims to righteousness and violent 'holy' books don't help, eitherFeb 27 13:55
DaemonFCpeople rarely go to war over sane and practical reasonsFeb 27 13:55
cubezzzof course Feb 27 13:55
DaemonFCa few politicians get them stirred up by exploiting their religionFeb 27 13:56
schestowitzThere's always competitionFeb 27 13:56
DaemonFCand then use the stupidity to help them plunderFeb 27 13:56
cubezzzin the Church of Rationality you can belong to any religon but you have to act rationally :)Feb 27 13:56
schestowitzThey don't "use" itFeb 27 13:56
schestowitzThey impose itFeb 27 13:56
DaemonFCcubezzz, mutual exclusion?Feb 27 13:56
DaemonFCI like thatFeb 27 13:56
DaemonFCwill their heads explode from coping with the paradox?Feb 27 13:57
schestowitzStupidity has no meaningFeb 27 13:57
schestowitzIt's not like massFeb 27 13:57
cubezzzmaybe :)Feb 27 13:57
schestowitzUnless one's brain is smallerFeb 27 13:57
schestowitzThey just fill people's heads with junkFeb 27 13:57
schestowitzLike junk science and preachings of hateFeb 27 13:57
schestowitzThey can also fill people's heads with names of footballs and celebritiesFeb 27 13:57
schestowitz*footballersFeb 27 13:57
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9KRZ0PnAsFeb 27 13:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Tom Cruise Crazy .::. Size~: 152.1 KBFeb 27 13:58
DaemonFCyeahFeb 27 13:58
DaemonFCdeath to the people that make theseFeb 27 13:58
DaemonFCfirst order of business in my empireFeb 27 13:59
cubezzzI don't watch youtube much any moreFeb 27 13:59
DaemonFCYoutube is about 95% stupidityFeb 27 14:00
cubezzzthe comments are 95% stupidFeb 27 14:00
cubezzzthe videos are usually OKFeb 27 14:01
cubezzzthere are stupid videos of course :)Feb 27 14:02
schestowitz"@fabsh a lot of people use cellphones too (or smoked), but it doesn't make it less cancerous"Feb 27 14:02
schestowitzDaemonFOX has a crush on CruiseFeb 27 14:03
DaemonFCnegativeFeb 27 14:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] we need a statue of John Peel outside Mark Thompson's office, looking up at him, as a gentle daily reminder #save6musicFeb 27 14:09
schestowitzhttp://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/pocketing-police/ "An odd bit of news from the xorg foundation. During some discussion on their mailing list about missing funds it became apparent that PayPal had simply taken $5k of their money because PayPal thought xorg foundation were some sort of scam."Feb 27 14:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pocketing Police « DoctorMO's Blog .::. Size~: 24.83 KBFeb 27 14:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: join Scientology, maybe you'll bump into himFeb 27 14:09
DaemonFCTHETANS!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! EVERYWHERE!!!!!!Feb 27 14:10
cubezzzI have no clue what Scientology is aboutFeb 27 14:11
DaemonFCcubezzz, brainwashing cult that takes all your money and then compels you to perform slave labor to pay them back for all the "debt" you went into while taking their "classes"Feb 27 14:17
DaemonFCa lot of people end up committing suicideFeb 27 14:18
DaemonFCincluding L. Ron Hubbard's sonFeb 27 14:18
cubezzzsounds a bit like what happened to Bobby FischerFeb 27 14:20
cubezzzyeah it's strange anyone would go for thatFeb 27 14:20
schestowitzhttp://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2010/02/canadian-tax-software-and-linux.htmlFeb 27 14:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: mdeslaur: Canadian tax software and Linux .::. Size~: 53.32 KBFeb 27 14:21
schestowitzcubezzz: how so?Feb 27 14:21
schestowitzBobby Fischer did not commit suicideFeb 27 14:22
schestowitzHe went to some church and stuff and became exposed to other literatureFeb 27 14:22
schestowitzBut he died not from suicideFeb 27 14:22
schestowitzhe died in Iceland when he was like in his mid 50sFeb 27 14:22
schestowitzI think it mostly turned wrong when he were to cash in around east Europe and then became a fugitiveFeb 27 14:23
cubezzzwell, in a way he did schestowitz...Feb 27 14:23
schestowitzDidn't even manage to be near his mother when she passed awayFeb 27 14:23
cubezzzhe refused medical treatment near the endFeb 27 14:23
schestowitzcubezzz: how does religion come into it?Feb 27 14:23
schestowitzI studied his case quite closelyFeb 27 14:23
schestowitzPartly, I think he was haunted by the mediaFeb 27 14:23
schestowitzBecause of him remarks about the US and Jewish peopleFeb 27 14:24
cubezzzI don't think he was all that religious later onFeb 27 14:24
schestowitzProsecuted for speaking openly, freelyFeb 27 14:24
schestowitzHe didn't commit any crimes, AFAICTFeb 27 14:24
cubezzzhe was rather paranoid, but I still respected his abilities and intellectFeb 27 14:24
schestowitzArrested in Japan with no real charged, just harassedFeb 27 14:24
cubezzzwell, he ranted a lot :)Feb 27 14:24
schestowitzcubezzz: not sure he was paranoidFeb 27 14:24
schestowitzHe was really chased downFeb 27 14:24
schestowitzThey didn't like when he told some radio station in Asia for exampleFeb 27 14:25
cubezzzFischer quote: "I want to see the USA wiped out"Feb 27 14:25
schestowitzHis words are quotes quite selecyievlyFeb 27 14:25
schestowitzit's like when the media preyed in Michael JacksonFeb 27 14:25
schestowitzOr MossFeb 27 14:25
cubezzzyou must admit he was anti-US later onFeb 27 14:25
schestowitzwhen they flag someone as "bad" they can 'pull a Fox' on themFeb 27 14:25
schestowitzJust watch any Beck show on ObamaFeb 27 14:25
cubezzzsure, he wasn't always treated wellFeb 27 14:26
schestowitzcubezzz: what uis Feb 27 14:26
schestowitzcubezzz: what is "anti-US"?Feb 27 14:26
schestowitzIt makes no senseFeb 27 14:26
schestowitzhttp://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3754.htmlFeb 27 14:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dissecting Chomsky and Anti-Americanism .::. Size~: 66.55 KBFeb 27 14:26
schestowitzIt's basically this notion that there's "anti-Soviet"Feb 27 14:27
schestowitzAbd critics of US and Israeli foreign policy, for instance, are 'anti-American" and "anti-Semitic", respectivelyFeb 27 14:27
schestowitzMicrosoft does thatFeb 27 14:27
schestowitzMicrosoft does that tooFeb 27 14:27
schestowitz"Microsoft hater"Feb 27 14:27
schestowitz"Don't listen to him, he's just an irrational Microsoft hater"Feb 27 14:27
cubezzzok, we've been through this before :)Feb 27 14:28
schestowitzAs though Microsoft is not a criminal companiesFeb 27 14:28
DaemonFCMichael Jackson obviously had some mental illness going onFeb 27 14:28
schestowitzAs though Microsoft is not a criminal companyFeb 27 14:28
schestowitzThe US banks play the same gameFeb 27 14:28
DaemonFCdrug dependenciesFeb 27 14:28
DaemonFCpedophiliaFeb 27 14:28
schestowitz"They are just jealous of our wealth..."Feb 27 14:28
schestowitzGates tooFeb 27 14:28
schestowitz"he's just jealous of Gates:Feb 27 14:28
DaemonFCan amusement park in his lawnFeb 27 14:28
schestowitzIt's everywhere, the same methods to discourage criticsFeb 27 14:28
cubezzzschestowitz check out the radio interviews:Feb 27 14:28
cubezzzhttp://bobbyfischerpage.tripod.com/Feb 27 14:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bobby Fischer Radio Interviews .::. Size~: 29.32 KBFeb 27 14:28
schestowitzThe assumption is that the "Greater" is always more correctFeb 27 14:28
cubezzzthen you'll see what I mean by Fischer was "anti-US"Feb 27 14:28
schestowitzcubezzz: I knowFeb 27 14:28
schestowitzBut they pick it selectivelyFeb 27 14:29
schestowitzYou can find other videos where he formulates an opinion calmlyFeb 27 14:29
cubezzzhe's not edited, it's the whole thing Feb 27 14:29
schestowitzThink about Michelle ObamaFeb 27 14:29
schestowitzShe said something like "for the first time in my adult life I'm proud to be Americans"Feb 27 14:29
schestowitzThe GOP was all over itFeb 27 14:29
cubezzzI don't think Fischer was utterly crazy, but he wasn't functioning all that wellFeb 27 14:30
schestowitzSure, they can find something that serves themFeb 27 14:30
schestowitzcubezzz: he wasn'tFeb 27 14:30
schestowitzHe never wasFeb 27 14:30
schestowitzHe was quite retarded as a young man tooFeb 27 14:30
cubezzzwell, socially maybeFeb 27 14:30
schestowitzI reckon that's how he got so Chess-orientedFeb 27 14:30
cubezzzhe was pretty high functioning mentallyFeb 27 14:30
schestowitzLike aspergia [??] or somethingFeb 27 14:31
cubezzzno father figure...Feb 27 14:31
schestowitzYou cans see it in TV interviewsFeb 27 14:31
schestowitzI'm not defneding him by the wayFeb 27 14:31
cubezzzaspergersFeb 27 14:31
schestowitzBut it started when you compared him to people of Church of ScientologyFeb 27 14:31
schestowitzThough I couldn't see the parallelsFeb 27 14:31
schestowitzHe followed some eccentric religious folksFeb 27 14:32
cubezzzit's a spectrum, I'm not all that social myself :)Feb 27 14:32
schestowitzIf anything, just proof that religion messes up people's mindsFeb 27 14:32
cubezzzneither is StallmanFeb 27 14:32
schestowitzStallman is like him in some metal sensesFeb 27 14:32
schestowitzBut RMS is smartFeb 27 14:32
cubezzzright, I just meant there were a few similaritiesFeb 27 14:32
schestowitzFischer was rather stupidFeb 27 14:32
cubezzzit's not exactly comparableFeb 27 14:32
schestowitzANd he claimed to have been used against the RUssian for the publicity stuntsFeb 27 14:33
cubezzzyeah, I suppose you could say that in generalFeb 27 14:33
schestowitzWith murderers like Kissinger and Nixen urging him to play alongFeb 27 14:33
cubezzzit's a sad storyFeb 27 14:33
schestowitzSo they pressured him... around the time of the cold war and races for space explorationFeb 27 14:33
schestowitzThe whole idea that US/capitalism prooduces smarter peopleFeb 27 14:33
cubezzzhe seemed to be functioning a lot better in the 1970sFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzThey marketed their ideologiesFeb 27 14:34
cubezzzyesFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzAnd the SOviets too made chess-playing robots out of peopleFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzThat's not healthyFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzMesses up people's characterFeb 27 14:34
schestowitz[14:33] <cubezzz> yeah, I suppose you could say that in generalFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzI mean, look at RMS being interviewedFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzHe doesn't respond to cues so wellFeb 27 14:34
schestowitzANd he interrupts peopleFeb 27 14:35
cubezzzyes :)Feb 27 14:35
cubezzzit's a function of his superior understanding thoughFeb 27 14:35
schestowitzYou can tell there's something not "average" (I don't want to say "normal") thereFeb 27 14:35
cubezzzand his impatienceFeb 27 14:35
schestowitzYesFeb 27 14:35
schestowitzLike when you say "IP"Feb 27 14:35
cubezzzI feel mostly sympathy for himFeb 27 14:35
schestowitzBut he's always polite with meFeb 27 14:35
cubezzzoh, you interviewed him?Feb 27 14:36
schestowitzThese people are not the problemFeb 27 14:36
schestowitzAnd by the way, re foreign policy, concision is an issueFeb 27 14:36
schestowitzPinter took his time to lay out the case clearly Feb 27 14:36
schestowitzAgainst the UK tooFeb 27 14:36
schestowitzFischer is just too dumb to do thatFeb 27 14:36
cubezzznot dumb, he just hyper-focused on chessFeb 27 14:37
schestowitzLast month when I did the interview for French television I had to stick to gentle stuffFeb 27 14:37
cubezzzhe had an amazing memoryFeb 27 14:37
schestowitzI recently saw this idiot on TV making the statement that "Al Qaeda is a CIA operation"Feb 27 14:37
schestowitzIt doesn't work well with the general publicFeb 27 14:37
schestowitzHe can't approach it with statements like thatFeb 27 14:38
schestowitzI can find you that video by the wayFeb 27 14:38
schestowitzHere's this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgUngwmao4Feb 27 14:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Charlie Veitch and Olly the Octopus on Press TV .::. Size~: 118.12 KBFeb 27 14:39
schestowitzWatch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlXC3M8hbgFeb 27 14:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- A Very Different Bobby Fischer .::. Size~: 111.79 KBFeb 27 14:39
cubezzzyes, I don't even have to see it :)Feb 27 14:41
cubezzzI know about the Dick Cavett interview :)Feb 27 14:41
cubezzzCavett had problems of his own unfortunatelyFeb 27 14:42
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/7325961/Google-good-or-evil.htmlFeb 27 14:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google: good or evil? - Telegraph .::. Size~: 59.05 KBFeb 27 14:43
schestowitzOh, that trolling question againFeb 27 14:43
schestowitzIt's obvious what they try to implyFeb 27 14:43
schestowitzIf taking people's info is criminal, then they lost perspectiveFeb 27 14:43
schestowitzANd they use the word "Evil"Feb 27 14:43
schestowitzWith religious connotationFeb 27 14:43
schestowitzBut then again, it's Google itself that made a motto with itFeb 27 14:43
schestowitzcubezzz: what problems did cavett have?Feb 27 14:44
cubezzzoh, he was big time depressiveFeb 27 14:44
cubezzzvery extreme caseFeb 27 14:44
cubezzz"In 1980 Cavett suffered what he characterized as his "biggest depressive episode". While on board a Concorde prior to take off, Cavett broke out into a sweat and became agitated. After he was removed from the plane, Cavett was taken to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, where he later underwent electroconvulsive therapy."Feb 27 14:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Socialist Muslim President meets with Atheist hate groups to destroy America http://newstechnica.com/?p=1685Feb 27 14:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Socialist Muslim President meets with Atheist hate groups to destroy America | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.68 KBFeb 27 14:48
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schestowitzcubezzz: let me see some videos anout itFeb 27 15:03
cubezzzI'm not aware of any, but Cavett talked about it in interviewsFeb 27 15:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, lala is charging 89 cents per MP3 for the same songs that are on Jamendo for freeFeb 27 15:05
DaemonFChehFeb 27 15:05
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCuVPveRwrUFeb 27 15:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- PIONEERS OF TELEVISION | Cavett Meets Carson | PBS .::. Size~: 129.09 KBFeb 27 15:05
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DaemonFChttp://www.lala.com/#album/2306124484727806470/Sekshun_8/Black_Winged_ButterflyFeb 27 15:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lala - Where music plays .::. Size~: 35.55 KBFeb 27 15:10
DaemonFChttp://www.jamendo.com/en/album/48396Feb 27 15:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Download this album for free: Black Winged Butterfly - Jamendo .::. Size~: 122.47 KBFeb 27 15:10
DaemonFCepic failFeb 27 15:10
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfCBFhB_RQsFeb 27 15:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- John Lennon and Yoko Ono Dick Cavett Show Excerpt 1 .::. Size~: 115.98 KBFeb 27 15:13
DaemonFCif you get it on Jamendo, you have the option of OggFeb 27 15:13
DaemonFCand it's free :0Feb 27 15:13
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 15:13
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DaemonFCthey don't have their other albums on Jamendo thoughFeb 27 15:14
DaemonFCmakes me think this one is a PR pieceFeb 27 15:14
DaemonFCoh well, it's still a freebieFeb 27 15:14
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218Feb 27 15:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- John Lennon - Woman is the "N" of the World .::. Size~: 110.31 KBFeb 27 15:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, What's the call on that Amazon Microsoft thing?Feb 27 15:23
DaemonFCbefore I click to pay themFeb 27 15:24
DaemonFC:PFeb 27 15:24
DaemonFCyou've probably read over it more than I haveFeb 27 15:24
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkzdLbpS3Rs&NR=Feb 27 15:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Trudeau Runs like a Girl .::. Size~: 66.52 KBFeb 27 15:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: see BN Feb 27 15:33
DaemonFCschestowitz, Amazon is who you're buying storage from when you use Ubuntu OneFeb 27 15:35
DaemonFCyou are aware of this?Feb 27 15:35
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DaemonFCmoney spent on Ubuntu One is money given to AmazonFeb 27 15:36
DaemonFCso your Amazon boycott should extend to Ubuntu One as wellFeb 27 15:37
DaemonFCat least the cloud storage crapFeb 27 15:37
DaemonFCthe music store is unaffiliated with Amazon thoughFeb 27 15:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks for all the recommendations. Given I have Sennheiser hd212 pros for at home work and like them,more sennheisers are likely. Ta again!Feb 27 15:38
DaemonFCI could see the benefits of mirroring my MP3 library on some kind of cloud storage, but $120 a year to get 50 gigs is ludicrousFeb 27 15:38
DaemonFCyou can get 50 gigs out of 5 DL-DVDsFeb 27 15:38
DaemonFCand those cost all of $1 eachFeb 27 15:38
DaemonFCand I always have guaranteed local access to themFeb 27 15:39
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpe2fapREAFeb 27 15:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Glenn Beck is a douchebag .::. Size~: 113.58 KBFeb 27 15:39
DaemonFCso really, Ubuntu One "cloud storage" is expensive, not guaranteed to be available, and funds MicrosoftFeb 27 15:40
DaemonFCyou may as well just state it like that, cause that's how it isFeb 27 15:40
DaemonFCit also allows Amazon to profile you via your music collection probablyFeb 27 15:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, To try to dance around and gloss over the fact that Ubuntu is providing several layers of ways to fund Microsoft and give  them your data to use for god knows what is to trivialize the situationFeb 27 15:42
DaemonFCthrough Bong and Amazon storage subscriptionsFeb 27 15:42
DaemonFCit's very disturbing and they need to be called to account for trojaning this crap in on unsuspecting Ubuntu usersFeb 27 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] This afternoon I've mostly been planting chilli seedlings with the kids. The kitchen looks like a mole came up through the floor. Sweeping++Feb 27 15:44
bruce89"for god knows what" - moneyFeb 27 15:45
DaemonFCwell yeahFeb 27 15:45
DaemonFCbut who knows what elseFeb 27 15:46
DaemonFCI'm sure they are capable of thinking on levels that you and I are not on how to best use search data from millions of Linux usersFeb 27 15:46
bruce89it's clear that SABDFL has had enough spending moneyFeb 27 15:47
bruce89and obviously support just wasn't cutting itFeb 27 15:47
bruce89although I'm amazed how far they've gone in order to fund themselvesFeb 27 15:48
cubezzzI was never too keen on UbuntuFeb 27 15:52
DaemonFCbruce89, you mean what lows they've sunk toFeb 27 15:53
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 15:53
bruce89yupFeb 27 15:53
DaemonFCbruce89, I'm writing a blog entry about Ubuntu right nowFeb 27 15:56
DaemonFCI want to make it clear that paying to use Ubuntu One is the ethical equivalent of buying a copy of Vista7Feb 27 15:57
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DaemonFCcause the money is going to the same peopleFeb 27 15:57
DaemonFChttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5946Feb 27 16:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Does Microsoft want a Linux trial? | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 206.01 KBFeb 27 16:00
DaemonFC"Matt Asay hits the nail on the head. In full “knock this board off my shoulder mode,” the Ubuntu COO dares Microsoft to sue Canonical,"Feb 27 16:00
DaemonFChe best be careful, lest his wish be grantedFeb 27 16:01
DaemonFCI don't know if it's wise to egg them on even if their claims are frivolousFeb 27 16:01
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DaemonFCMS still has more money than they doFeb 27 16:02
DaemonFCyou don't need to win in court, you only need to use stall tactics and bankrupt your victimFeb 27 16:03
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_Goblin_DaemonFC: thats very true, sort of like a game of pokerFeb 27 16:06
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DaemonFC_Goblin, Ubuntu is becoming very disturbing, and it's unfolding very fastFeb 27 16:07
DaemonFCI hope I'm not alone in noticing thisFeb 27 16:07
_GoblinDaemonFC: I don't think so....Feb 27 16:07
_GoblinI think its a case of them trying to create revenueFeb 27 16:08
_Goblinand thats no bad thing...Feb 27 16:08
DaemonFC_Goblin, "By any and all means" is where it becomes badFeb 27 16:08
DaemonFCI'd rather shut down my project than ask Microsoft for handoutsFeb 27 16:08
_Goblinwhilst some may dislike some "less than free" areas of 10.04...I don't think Canonical is jumping into bed with MS or is looking at Ubuntu as a lockin type product.Feb 27 16:08
_Goblinand DaemonFC you more than anyone here should agree that "by any and all means" is the way for business to survive.Feb 27 16:09
DaemonFCif Ubuntu has to depend on Microsoft for funding, that gives Microsoft undue influence over UbuntuFeb 27 16:09
DaemonFCand that's unacceptable Feb 27 16:09
_GoblinDaemonFC: its not depending, its probably just got a better deal....Feb 27 16:09
DaemonFC_Goblin, Microsoft and the rest of the Axis of EvilFeb 27 16:10
_GoblinDaemonFC: its also a compliment to Ubuntu that Yahoo would want to sign a deal with it.Feb 27 16:10
DaemonFCincluding Amazon, Matt Asay, foisting an MP3 store on usersFeb 27 16:10
DaemonFCetcFeb 27 16:10
_GoblinDaemonFC: Ubuntu is merely offering a service that others already do....why should it not take money away from those services and get some itself.Feb 27 16:11
bruce89because it's supposed to be FreeFeb 27 16:11
DaemonFC_Goblin, 1. Yahoo is doing anything to gain market share. 2. They probably didn't have to pay Canonical much.Feb 27 16:11
bruce89Red Hat doesn't do this sort og thingFeb 27 16:11
_Goblinbruce89: and thats the great thing about linux...you have plenty of choice...Feb 27 16:11
DaemonFCRed Hat has a profitable business model they EARNEDFeb 27 16:11
DaemonFCUbuntu is going after a quick buckFeb 27 16:12
_Goblinalthough who these days has a completely free system?Feb 27 16:12
_Goblinare you running Gnewsense or something similar?Feb 27 16:12
bruce89that's besides the pointFeb 27 16:12
DaemonFC_Goblin, FedoraFeb 27 16:12
_Goblinno its not...you said "its supposed to be free"Feb 27 16:12
bruce89actively encouraging commerical stuff is surely wrongFeb 27 16:12
_Goblinand Ubuntu still is.Feb 27 16:12
_Goblinyou dont _HAVE_ to use the new services.Feb 27 16:12
bruce89I don't, I use FedoraFeb 27 16:12
DaemonFCI'm not arguing that everyone should audit their system with Virtual Richard Stallman, I'm arguing that people should minimize their dependency on hostile organizations and non-free softwareFeb 27 16:13
bruce89I didn't like Ubuntu for other reasons anywayFeb 27 16:13
DaemonFCto not use it gratuitouslyFeb 27 16:13
_Goblinbut if you didn't and did use Ubuntu you would not be forced to buy from the online store.Feb 27 16:13
_GoblinI personally don't have Ubuntu on my main rig....however it will still be just as free on those rigs of mine that do run it.Feb 27 16:14
DaemonFCfree as in freewareFeb 27 16:14
_Goblinso you don't use proprietary drivers for your gfx card?Feb 27 16:14
DaemonFCthat's what they're trying to drive home, it doesn't cost you moneyFeb 27 16:14
DaemonFC_Goblin, No, I don'tFeb 27 16:14
_Goblinfair enough....I do.Feb 27 16:14
DaemonFCFGLRX is shockingly worse than what you get out of the box :)Feb 27 16:15
bruce89mind you Launchpad set a precidentFeb 27 16:15
_Goblinand it would be hypocritical of me to preach about a free system if I myself depend on code that isn'tFeb 27 16:15
DaemonFC_Goblin, I'd advise people to use the MP3 decoder for legacy compatibility onlyFeb 27 16:15
DaemonFCI'm not going to call them Hitler for having it thoughFeb 27 16:16
_Goblindaemonfc: thats good of you.Feb 27 16:16
_Goblinyou see this is where the danger is...Feb 27 16:16
_GoblinMany people highlight (and rightfully so) the dangers of Microsoft.....Feb 27 16:16
DaemonFClike I said, you should strive to minimize dependence on non-free crapFeb 27 16:16
DaemonFCit works out best in the long runFeb 27 16:17
bruce89that's never been in Ubuntu's briefFeb 27 16:17
DaemonFCbut I understand that nobody wants to use Gnewsense and cripple their PCFeb 27 16:17
_Goblinhowever I think some of the free software movement are as guilty as MS with the ethos "Do it our way or not at all."Feb 27 16:17
DaemonFCsuch is lifeFeb 27 16:17
_GoblinExactly....Feb 27 16:17
bruce89this sort of puts me in mind of LinspireFeb 27 16:18
DaemonFCLinspire was gratuitously non-freeFeb 27 16:18
_GoblinSoftware freedom should be exactly that.....free to choice what you like when you like, no matter if its totally free, totally proprietary or a mixture of both,Feb 27 16:18
DaemonFCeven when the user didn't need all of that shitFeb 27 16:18
bruce89does that put you in mind of anything/Feb 27 16:18
DaemonFCI'll install a non-free package when I need oneFeb 27 16:18
DaemonFCI don't grab the big pile of bad shit(tm)Feb 27 16:19
DaemonFCUbuntu calls that the restricted extrasFeb 27 16:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: a lot of things rely on AmazonFeb 27 16:19
schestowitzI can't hodl that against u-butuFeb 27 16:19
schestowitzBut it does explain Mac Asay's reserved response to itFeb 27 16:20
DaemonFCwell, they've lynched themselves hereFeb 27 16:20
schestowitzUbuntu also works with NovellFeb 27 16:20
DaemonFCwhy do they need Amazon anyway?Feb 27 16:20
schestowitzThey don'tFeb 27 16:20
schestowitzJono needs themFeb 27 16:20
schestowitzHe has a book thereFeb 27 16:20
schestowitzWow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG8Y4BUKF3IFeb 27 16:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 27 16:20
DaemonFCfeaturitus is the causeFeb 27 16:20
schestowitzCheck this outFeb 27 16:20
DaemonFCit's flagged inappropriateFeb 27 16:21
DaemonFCand I do not wish to see titsFeb 27 16:21
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] starting work on my new project. targets->learn git, use emacs as IDE, develop a bloody cool app. See you in 6 months :)Feb 27 16:22
DaemonFComgFeb 27 16:23
DaemonFClmao!!!!Feb 27 16:23
DaemonFCEPIC FAIL!!!!!Feb 27 16:23
DaemonFCbest youtube video everFeb 27 16:23
schestowitz"@schestowitz Cell phones aren't carcinogenic. There's no hard evidence to that effect. Total FUD."Feb 27 16:24
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/23247593Feb 27 16:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fabian Scherschel (fabsh) 's status on Saturday, 27-Feb-10 13:40:25 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.01 KBFeb 27 16:24
DaemonFCschestowitz does have a sense of humorFeb 27 16:24
*DaemonFC was beginning to wonder :)Feb 27 16:24
schestowitzNo, it's tragicFeb 27 16:25
schestowitzI wonder, if it's not fake, what happens to those girlsFeb 27 16:25
DaemonFCwell, it doesn't look fakeFeb 27 16:25
schestowitz"@fabsh there is evidence, unless it's funded by the industry that monetises it"Feb 27 16:26
DaemonFCschestowitz, 999.....Feb 27 16:26
DaemonFCI always wondered, doesn't that cause problems?Feb 27 16:26
schestowitzI wonder how the parents of these girl feel about this being onlineFeb 27 16:26
DaemonFCkids playing with the phone and suchFeb 27 16:26
schestowitzIt's not just a record but also the cause of this accidentFeb 27 16:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: you mean phones?Feb 27 16:26
schestowitzI reckon it does, the question is, how much?Feb 27 16:26
DaemonFCor who would post it and incriminate themselvesFeb 27 16:27
schestowitzRadiation is radiationFeb 27 16:27
schestowitzAnd this one is next to people's most important organFeb 27 16:27
DaemonFCno, I mean 999 seems more likely for the kid to press than 911Feb 27 16:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: not incriminateFeb 27 16:27
schestowitzThe driver is to blame for not focusingFeb 27 16:27
schestowitzThere's no intent to cause harmFeb 27 16:27
DaemonFCI still wouldn't post itFeb 27 16:28
DaemonFCI'd delete it immediatelyFeb 27 16:28
DaemonFCno telling what kind of legal problems you'd open yourself up toFeb 27 16:29
DaemonFCif not criminal, maybe someone sues youFeb 27 16:29
DaemonFCthe video was the only evidence that they caused the crashFeb 27 16:29
DaemonFCthe girls' parents sue you and try to prove you were at fault, the video doesn't helpFeb 27 16:30
DaemonFCit establishes you were there and egged them onFeb 27 16:30
DaemonFCI'd delete it and threaten everyone in the car with severe pain if they talked about it againFeb 27 16:31
DaemonFCbut then I don't do stupid shit like that anywayFeb 27 16:31
DaemonFCbut if I did, then I'd go full blown cover upFeb 27 16:31
DaemonFCMy policy is don't do stupid shit on purpose. If I do inadvertently do something stupid that I could be held liable for, destroy all evidence.Feb 27 16:33
DaemonFCIt. Never. Happened.Feb 27 16:33
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I kick arse for the Lord. http://bit.ly/cWZxUi HT @picturecoolFeb 27 16:34
schestowitzWhat did you do?Feb 27 16:34
DaemonFCnothingFeb 27 16:35
DaemonFCeverFeb 27 16:35
DaemonFCat allFeb 27 16:35
schestowitzSssue.....Feb 27 16:35
schestowitzSssure.....Feb 27 16:36
DaemonFCsee how good I cover my tracks?Feb 27 16:36
schestowitzhttp://chavelaque.blogspot.com/2007/01/squids-101-commonly-confused-homophones.htmlFeb 27 16:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Brooklyn Arden: SQUIDS 101: Commonly Confused Homophones .::. Size~: 144.94 KBFeb 27 16:36
DaemonFCI've never been jailed, sued, or fined for all of the things I haven't doneFeb 27 16:36
schestowitzYou already wrote about some offences in IRCFeb 27 16:36
cubezzzwhich were logged :)Feb 27 16:37
DaemonFCyeah, they can't try you twiceFeb 27 16:37
cubezzzforeverFeb 27 16:37
DaemonFCwho cares?Feb 27 16:37
DaemonFCIf I murdered someone and got found not guilty, I could admit to it right then and thereFeb 27 16:37
DaemonFCand still go freeFeb 27 16:37
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/hitler_and_clou.htmlFeb 27 16:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Schneier on Security: Hitler and Cloud Computing .::. Size~: 31.46 KBFeb 27 16:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, It only matter what they know before and during a trialFeb 27 16:38
DaemonFCnot afterFeb 27 16:38
DaemonFC1 second after is too lateFeb 27 16:38
schestowitzhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/19/AR2010021905765.htmlFeb 27 16:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: After Texas crash, a debate on terror threat of small planes - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 86.19 KBFeb 27 16:39
schestowitzThey only check ArabsFeb 27 16:39
schestowitzSee?Feb 27 16:39
DaemonFCIf they found the corpse one minute after the trial concluded, the murderer still walks freeFeb 27 16:39
DaemonFCisn't that nifty?Feb 27 16:39
schestowitz"GEORGETOWN, TEX. -- After the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, cockpit doors were sealed, air marshals were added and airport searches became more aggressive, all to make sure airliners could never again be used as weapons. Yet little has been done to guard against attacks with smaller planes."Feb 27 16:39
DaemonFCI'd tell them where it was just to fuck with themFeb 27 16:40
DaemonFCafter the trialFeb 27 16:40
cubezzzI bet they could find ways around thatFeb 27 16:40
DaemonFCcubezzz, NopeFeb 27 16:40
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DaemonFConly a mistrial can result in a new trial from scratchFeb 27 16:40
schestowitzOJ?Feb 27 16:40
DaemonFChung jury is also a form of mistrialFeb 27 16:41
DaemonFCOJ was found not guiltyFeb 27 16:41
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/fbi-federal-grand-jury-investigating-school-webcam-spying/?cs=39694Feb 27 16:41
DaemonFCthey can't try him for those murders ever againFeb 27 16:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FBI, Federal Grand Jury Investigating School Webcam Spying | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 75.7 KBFeb 27 16:41
cubezzzhe didn't get away scott free did he?Feb 27 16:41
DaemonFCcubezzz, different chargesFeb 27 16:41
cubezzzthey still put him in jailFeb 27 16:41
cubezzznevertheless...Feb 27 16:41
cubezzzhis name is mudFeb 27 16:41
DaemonFCcubezzz, That was his fault, he went free on murder chargesFeb 27 16:41
DaemonFCthey can never try him for that againFeb 27 16:41
DaemonFCeverFeb 27 16:41
cubezzzhe was nailed in civil court tooFeb 27 16:42
schestowitzHe probably made himself more of a name this wayFeb 27 16:42
cubezzzremember that?Feb 27 16:42
DaemonFCcubezzz, Civil court is differentFeb 27 16:42
schestowitzHe still has stupid fansFeb 27 16:42
schestowitzColumbine shooters too did it for fameFeb 27 16:42
schestowitzSick peopleFeb 27 16:42
cubezzzhis rep is shotFeb 27 16:42
schestowitzALso Muslim terrorFeb 27 16:43
cubezzzfor all-timeFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzYou know what the mistake is?Feb 27 16:43
DaemonFCcubezzz, civil court is you prove it was more likely than not, criminal court you have to prove pretty damned convincingly with litte room for errorFeb 27 16:43
cubezzzhe'll never be trusted for anythingFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzMedia giving them attentionFeb 27 16:43
DaemonFCit's easier to lose a lawsuit than a criminal proceeding, much easierFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzThey give them EXACLY what they wantFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzLike the underwesar bomberFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzThey had him become famousFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzAnd aliveFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzprobably to be releasedFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzAnd he terrorised peopleFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzAs intendedFeb 27 16:43
schestowitzStupid media doesn't care about securityFeb 27 16:44
schestowitzIt just sells bloody adsFeb 27 16:44
schestowitzSwine flue Feb 27 16:44
cubezzzOJ when he gets out, might get in trouble againFeb 27 16:44
schestowitz*fluFeb 27 16:44
cubezzzit's his natureFeb 27 16:44
DaemonFCcubezzz, It's not unheard of for a person to be found Not Guilty of murder but found Guilty in a wrongful death lawsuit laterFeb 27 16:44
DaemonFCOJ was not the first time it has happenedFeb 27 16:44
schestowitzHad they wanted security, they'd do what's rightFeb 27 16:44
cubezzzI'm sure Feb 27 16:44
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cubezzzthe point is though once a murderer, always a murdererFeb 27 16:45
DaemonFCpeople don't understand how the court system worksFeb 27 16:45
DaemonFCthey're like "How the hell did THAT happen!?!?!?"Feb 27 16:45
cubezzzeven if the court makes a mistaken, the truth is still the truthFeb 27 16:45
DaemonFCcubezzz, The mere accusation will hang over you for life, even if you didn't kill anyoneFeb 27 16:45
cubezzzand courts do make mistakesFeb 27 16:45
cubezzzexactlyFeb 27 16:45
DaemonFCespecially with the media frenzyFeb 27 16:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting questions raised about the #Ubuntu One Music store in bug report,reply from Mark Shuttleworth http://bit.ly/dtg2e7Feb 27 16:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bug #528910 in ubuntu-community: “7digital is named Ubuntu One Music Store” .::. Size~: 45.86 KBFeb 27 16:46
schestowitzRetractions don't get publicityFeb 27 16:46
schestowitzWhen errors are foundFeb 27 16:46
DaemonFCI'm replying to Mark ShuttleworthFeb 27 16:49
bruce89I made that mistake onceFeb 27 16:50
ender2070:PFeb 27 16:53
DaemonFCbruce89, I'm letting him have it, trust me :)Feb 27 16:54
DaemonFC"Feb 27 16:55
DaemonFCSo if we welcome our MP3-spewing overlords with flowers, glorious freedom *might* come later? How many billions of dollars worth of non-free crap do we have to buy before this becomes viable?" -MeFeb 27 16:55
DaemonFCheheFeb 27 16:55
schestowitzlatersFeb 27 17:02
DaemonFChttps://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/528910/comments/2Feb 27 17:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bug #528910 : Bugs : The Ubuntu Music Store Rhythmbox plugin .::. Size~: 10.66 KBFeb 27 17:08
DaemonFCbruce89, There you have itFeb 27 17:08
DaemonFC:PFeb 27 17:11
DaemonFCcubezzz, How did I do? :PFeb 27 17:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Sadly, most promises of self-imposed exile are empty" #Monbiot on #uk #tax whiners. http://bit.ly/bwpWS6Feb 27 17:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Monbiot.com » Bleak Havens .::. Size~: 20.2 KBFeb 27 17:31
bruce89yikesFeb 27 17:31
DaemonFCgood/bad?Feb 27 17:32
bruce89interestingFeb 27 17:32
DaemonFCdid I get him?Feb 27 17:34
bruce89we'll find out in due courseFeb 27 17:36
DaemonFCthin he'll take the bait?Feb 27 17:36
DaemonFC*thinkFeb 27 17:36
bruce89I once got an e-mail saying that I shouldn't call myself a moany bastardFeb 27 17:37
bruce89from him that isFeb 27 17:37
DaemonFCuhhhm, that's out of contextFeb 27 17:37
DaemonFCdo I want to know? :)Feb 27 17:37
bruce89I called myself that on a bugFeb 27 17:38
bruce89something about notify-osd I thinkFeb 27 17:39
bruce89or update-mangerFeb 27 17:39
DaemonFCson of a bitch....Feb 27 17:39
DaemonFCmy crazy neighbor is knockingFeb 27 17:39
DaemonFCshe always calls me Kyle tooFeb 27 17:40
*bruce89 assumes that's incorrecFeb 27 17:40
DaemonFC*and this is when I shot her, your honor*Feb 27 17:40
DaemonFCyes, my name is RyanFeb 27 17:41
bruce89that's not even closeFeb 27 17:41
bruce89as I'm sure you realiseFeb 27 17:41
DaemonFCeverything seems to rhyme with "bullshit" with this ladyFeb 27 17:43
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DaemonFC"Hey, pay me $10 a day for 30 years and I'll just shoot you in the back of the head. How's that? No emphysema or anything!" -Me to a smokerFeb 27 17:51
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sebsebsebABC123Feb 27 17:53
DaemonFCover 30 years, a 2 pack a day smoker will spend $110,000Feb 27 17:54
DaemonFCand every single fucking one of them wants to borrow $5 til TuesdayFeb 27 17:54
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DaemonFCbruce89, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/528910Feb 27 18:18
DaemonFCand more yet :)Feb 27 18:18
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DaemonFC"Even if you use the free as in beer Fluendo decoder, you still have to ASK someone for a PATENT LICENSE to decode files you supposedly "own". What if the English language was patent encumbered and you had to ask someone else to read you your books?"Feb 27 18:19
DaemonFClolFeb 27 18:19
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bruce89to be honest, I don't really care either wayFeb 27 18:22
bruce89I don't particularly want to help them / be ignoredFeb 27 18:23
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DaemonFC"So in addition to the MPEG kerfuffle, we're now admitting that Americans are screwed on pricing, and most people in most countries have to beg Fluendo for a free as in beer plug-in. Beautiful."Feb 27 18:28
DaemonFClolFeb 27 18:28
bruce89seems as if they may have been slightly naïveFeb 27 18:29
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DaemonFCI think the Ubuntu One store is completely full of shitFeb 27 18:30
DaemonFCthat's what I thinkFeb 27 18:30
bruce89perhapsFeb 27 18:31
DaemonFCit's disgusting is what it is, it's just so wrong in so many waysFeb 27 18:31
DaemonFCit's so wrong that even in the alternate universe where they're right, they're still wrongFeb 27 18:31
bruce89where have I heard that one before?Feb 27 18:32
DaemonFCLinus TorvaldsFeb 27 18:32
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 18:32
bruce89ah, that's himFeb 27 18:32
DaemonFCbruce89, My favorite Linus quote was the one about Alan CoxFeb 27 18:33
bruce89refresh meFeb 27 18:34
DaemonFC"Not that nobody reads every post in linux-kernel. In fact, nobody who expects to have time left over to actually do any real kernel work will read even half. Except Alan Cox, but he's actually not human, but about a thousand gnomes working in under-ground caves in Swansea. None of the individual gnomes read all the postings either, they just work together really well."Feb 27 18:34
DaemonFC*NoteFeb 27 18:34
bruce89oh yes, I sort of remember thatFeb 27 18:35
bruce89Linus certainly has a way with wordsFeb 27 18:35
DaemonFCthey jsut work together really wellFeb 27 18:35
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 18:35
bruce89we could have done with some of them in RomFeb 27 18:36
bruce89RomeFeb 27 18:36
DaemonFCwatching Mesa I think they're about 1,000 gnomes working together realyl wellFeb 27 18:38
DaemonFClots of changesFeb 27 18:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica extra! Jaron Lanier: Why people should pay more attention to me and not Web 2.0 http://newstechnica.com/?p=1712 HT @mecredisFeb 27 18:55
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sebsebsebDaemonFC: You think the music store doesn't  have any music worth buying or?Feb 27 18:58
DaemonFCtoo expensive compared to other MP3 storesFeb 27 18:58
DaemonFCMP3 sucksFeb 27 18:58
DaemonFCWhy is Ubuntu pushing non-free formats?Feb 27 18:58
sebsebsebDaemonFC: To an extent yeah, but it's the most used music format, since of ignorance when it comes to this stuff.Feb 27 18:59
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Since it's most used?Feb 27 18:59
DaemonFCyeah, maybe the difference is only 10 or 20 cents per file, but they're the same thingFeb 27 18:59
DaemonFCit's like one gas station is 10 cents cheaper per gallon than the one across the streetFeb 27 18:59
sebsebsebDaemonFC: You wanted Amazon before, but then the  Novell like Amazon deal.Feb 27 18:59
DaemonFCwhich one do you pull into?Feb 27 18:59
DaemonFCAmazon isn't the only other storeFeb 27 18:59
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well they probably can't just make a deal with  all/most of the storesFeb 27 19:00
sebsebsebprobably only one or two that they could actsualley make the deal with?Feb 27 19:00
DaemonFCyou buy 100 MP3's you've paid $10 more than you would have elsewhereFeb 27 19:00
DaemonFCthat's significantFeb 27 19:00
sebsebsebDaemonFC: some of that money goes to Canonical thoughFeb 27 19:00
sebsebsebwhere as if you buy else where, it won'tFeb 27 19:00
DaemonFCyou build a collection of 1,000 MP3s, you overpaid by $100Feb 27 19:00
DaemonFCwow:)Feb 27 19:01
sebsebsebalso not that many people buy a 1000 or so MP3's anyway right?Feb 27 19:01
DaemonFCwell, most ipods are full of mp3s from bittorrentFeb 27 19:01
DaemonFCnot AACs from AppleFeb 27 19:01
sebsebsebanyway Ipods and all that junk, no thanks, I'll rather have a standard CD playerFeb 27 19:01
sebsebsebas for music, if I am going to buy it, i'll buy psyical music albumsFeb 27 19:01
DaemonFCsebsebseb, An ipod holds anywhere from 200-over 1,000 albums, right?Feb 27 19:02
DaemonFCApple said they only sold enough AACs to account for one album per ipod userFeb 27 19:02
sebsebsebDaemonFC: these more modern players can hold much for musicFeb 27 19:02
sebsebseb,but so whatFeb 27 19:02
sebsebsebI am happy with CD's even soFeb 27 19:02
DaemonFCyou know people are just torrenting the shit for freeFeb 27 19:02
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:02
sebsebsebDaemonFC: people download a lot of music for free yes, but they are on the verge of starting to really try and tackle piracy, or so it seemsFeb 27 19:03
DaemonFCthey've been on the verge of that for about 30 years nowFeb 27 19:03
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:03
sebsebsebDaemonFC: no Internet hasn't been main strame for that longFeb 27 19:03
DaemonFCever since the first BBS went upFeb 27 19:04
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:04
sebsebsebBBS?Feb 27 19:04
DaemonFCBulletin Board ServiceFeb 27 19:04
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Anyway they are trying to get anti piracy stuff at the ISP level now.Feb 27 19:04
DaemonFCit won't workFeb 27 19:04
DaemonFCthe people they're trying to fuck over are smarter than themFeb 27 19:04
sebsebsebwell people can share music in other ways as wellFeb 27 19:04
DaemonFCand in greater numbersFeb 27 19:05
DaemonFCit's why they always failFeb 27 19:05
sebsebsebDaemonFC: most people who download music,  don't really know much about that, hence using Limewire for exampleFeb 27 19:05
DaemonFCgood, the RIAA can sue them and leave me aloneFeb 27 19:05
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:05
sebsebsebthe old Napster got closed down, but Limewire and such still exists hrmFeb 27 19:05
DaemonFCLimewire can't be shut down, but it's very easy to track and poisonFeb 27 19:06
DaemonFCyou're basically connecting to RIAAnetFeb 27 19:06
sebsebsebLimewire can't be closed down?Feb 27 19:06
DaemonFCnopeFeb 27 19:06
DaemonFCdecentralizedFeb 27 19:06
sebsebsebconnecting to RIAAnet?  decentralized meaning?Feb 27 19:06
sebsebsebmusic is like gamesFeb 27 19:07
DaemonFCno, I mean the security of the protocol is weakFeb 27 19:07
sebsebsebthere is quite a lot of free as in freedom stuff out thereFeb 27 19:07
sebsebseb,but yet,  most people will do the propritaryFeb 27 19:07
DaemonFCthe RIAA likes to poison and track Gnutella (Limewire) cause it's easyFeb 27 19:07
DaemonFCand lots of people use itFeb 27 19:07
sebsebsebDaemonFC: torrents can be tracked as wellFeb 27 19:07
DaemonFCthe US government even seeds fake kiddie porn on LimewireFeb 27 19:07
sebsebsebor you get the torrent from the wrong source, and bangFeb 27 19:07
DaemonFCto sting idiots that take it lolFeb 27 19:07
DaemonFCyeah, Limewire is their favorite whipping boyFeb 27 19:08
DaemonFCthat's all I'm sayingFeb 27 19:08
DaemonFCbittorrent clients are still more robustFeb 27 19:08
DaemonFCharder to poison anywayFeb 27 19:08
sebsebsebrobust?  as in secure?Feb 27 19:08
DaemonFCwell, you have blocklist support in most of them, that helps keep out bad peersFeb 27 19:09
DaemonFCnot all of them thoughFeb 27 19:09
DaemonFCbut it's one thing Limewire doesn't haveFeb 27 19:09
DaemonFCtrackers are centralizedFeb 27 19:09
DaemonFCmeaning fake torrents can be removed fastFeb 27 19:09
DaemonFCcomments section on trackers sites can be used to sound the alarm if someone is sending out infringement notices over that torrentFeb 27 19:10
sebsebsebDaemonFC: trackers can be monitored though for piracyFeb 27 19:10
DaemonFCbittorrent clients can verify file bits more accurately and ban bad hosts that send corrupt dataFeb 27 19:10
DaemonFCsebsebseb, That's why I use private trackersFeb 27 19:11
DaemonFC;)Feb 27 19:11
DaemonFCor even semi-private onesFeb 27 19:11
sebsebsebDaemonFC: if everyone bought, what they were suppoused toFeb 27 19:13
sebsebsebI guess a lot more people would turn to opensource/freesoftware :)Feb 27 19:13
sebsebsebalso creative commons that kind of music,  maybe would be a bit more popular than it is at the momentFeb 27 19:13
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Darknets are the safestFeb 27 19:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Darknets?Feb 27 19:14
DaemonFCFriend2Friend type networksFeb 27 19:14
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friendFeb 27 19:14
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DaemonFConly sharing with people you trust and people they trust and so onFeb 27 19:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: proper anti piracy when it comes to Windows and Microsoft Office, woudn't really be a bad thingFeb 27 19:14
DaemonFCit's kind of a daisy chain of trustFeb 27 19:14
sebsebsebit would make more people use Desktop Linux and Open Office and suchFeb 27 19:15
DaemonFCsebsebseb, No antipiracy crap will stop the DarknetFeb 27 19:15
DaemonFCeven if they obliterate bittorrent totally :)Feb 27 19:15
DaemonFCpeople are smarter than the mafiaa, I said that already Feb 27 19:15
sebsebsebDaemonFC: a lot of people aren'tFeb 27 19:16
sebsebseba lot of people are rather stupid/ignorant when it comes to technologyFeb 27 19:16
DaemonFCthat's why you get people in court over downloading shit WMA files on LimewireFeb 27 19:16
DaemonFC:PFeb 27 19:16
cubezzzany p2p is fineFeb 27 19:16
DaemonFCthink of them as the sacrificial goatFeb 27 19:16
cubezzzunless your ISP spies on youFeb 27 19:16
DaemonFCyou know, farmers crossing the Amazon and all thatFeb 27 19:17
sebsebsebcubezzz: I thought the goverments can spy  on us as well, not just ISP?Feb 27 19:17
DaemonFCsends a goat downstream to attract the piranhaFeb 27 19:17
DaemonFCwhile they're busy devouring the goat, he and the rest of his herd crossFeb 27 19:17
sebsebsebanyway stupid/ignorant people pirate Windows, Microsoft Office, and stuff like thatFeb 27 19:18
cubezzzperhapsFeb 27 19:18
cubezzzyes :)Feb 27 19:18
sebsebsebcubezzz: to what?Feb 27 19:18
cubezzzMicrowhat? I can barely remember now :)Feb 27 19:18
cubezzzis that software? :)Feb 27 19:19
sebsebsebcubezzz: yeah sucky popular softwareFeb 27 19:19
cubezzzthe goverment spying sebsebseb, but in Canada I doubt itFeb 27 19:19
sebsebsebcubezzz: that the main streame computer ignorant usesFeb 27 19:19
cubezzzsoon I'll have to build the Microsoft Museum :)Feb 27 19:19
sebsebsebcubezzz: which just  happens to also be most computer usersFeb 27 19:19
cubezzzso people will remember the crappyness :)Feb 27 19:19
DaemonFCreally there's not that much stuff I have that I shouldn't, basically all imports that you have to pay a fortune to get in the US anywayFeb 27 19:20
cubezzzin Canada we are not very dracoianFeb 27 19:20
sebsebsebcubezzz: yeah eventaully  Microsoft stuff will be in a computer musuem I guessFeb 27 19:20
DaemonFCin any event, our local mafiaa doesn't police that stuffFeb 27 19:20
sebsebsebcubezzz: Ubuntu/Canonical would make a better MicrosoftFeb 27 19:20
cubezzzperhaps, it would be hard to do worseFeb 27 19:21
sebsebsebcubezzz: Ubuntu is the first disto for a lot of computer ignorants, that aren't that ignorant anymore, to just use Windows :DFeb 27 19:21
DaemonFCI like Fedora because Red Hat doesn't have to corrupt it or be evil to produce itFeb 27 19:21
DaemonFCit's fully RHEL subsidizedFeb 27 19:21
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DaemonFCspeak of the devilFeb 27 19:22
DaemonFCjono, Following the Ubuntu One Music Store bug of fun?Feb 27 19:22
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:22
jonoyeah I have seen itFeb 27 19:22
jonoyou having fun there?Feb 27 19:23
jono:)Feb 27 19:23
DaemonFCI'm a sarcastic shitheadFeb 27 19:23
DaemonFCyou can call me that, cause I just didFeb 27 19:23
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:23
DaemonFCyou can even name an Ubuntu release after meFeb 27 19:23
DaemonFCyeah, jono, a place to grind an ax is always welcomeFeb 27 19:24
jonololFeb 27 19:24
jono:)Feb 27 19:24
DaemonFCso, feedback?Feb 27 19:25
DaemonFCofficial jono statement?Feb 27 19:25
jonoI will look into it when I am back at workFeb 27 19:25
jonobut this is the weekendFeb 27 19:25
DaemonFCahhhFeb 27 19:25
jonoand I worked every day every evening last weekFeb 27 19:26
jonoso I am a bit burned outFeb 27 19:26
DaemonFCanything you want me to tel lyour boss?Feb 27 19:26
DaemonFChe can't fire me you knowFeb 27 19:26
DaemonFCI won't tell him you said it eitherFeb 27 19:26
jonololFeb 27 19:26
jonono I will tell him anything I want to tell himFeb 27 19:26
jono:)Feb 27 19:26
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DaemonFCright thenFeb 27 19:27
DaemonFCjono, Did I tell you I wrote most of the Uncyclopedia article on UbuntuFeb 27 19:27
DaemonFCI was inspiredFeb 27 19:27
jonoDaemonFC, well, we all contribute to open source in our way, I guessFeb 27 19:28
jono:)Feb 27 19:28
DaemonFCwell, I lampooned whatever you call itFeb 27 19:29
jonos/our/our ownFeb 27 19:29
DaemonFCI'm not sure I like this edit though "Ubuntu (also known as Windows Linux Edition)"Feb 27 19:29
DaemonFCI think that still may be OpenSuse by a noseFeb 27 19:29
DaemonFCUbuntu doesn't have an EXE greeting you "yet"Feb 27 19:30
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DaemonFC:)Feb 27 19:30
sebsebsebDaemonFC: @ me coming back?Feb 27 19:30
sebsebsebDaemonFC: anyway stupid lose computer power cable or whatever, so I lost  the powerFeb 27 19:30
sebsebsebDid I miss anything interesting or whatever,  after you put speak of the devil?  If so what?Feb 27 19:30
bruce89ermFeb 27 19:31
DaemonFCjono saying it's not his fucking problem til he's on the clockFeb 27 19:31
DaemonFC(my words)Feb 27 19:31
sebsebsebDaemonFC: jono put what?Feb 27 19:31
jonoDaemonFC, whateverFeb 27 19:31
bruce89not quite in so many wordsFeb 27 19:31
DaemonFCslacker :)Feb 27 19:32
jonoDaemonFC, you are a troll, my friend, I am not going to engage with trolls :)Feb 27 19:32
DaemonFCseems like you areFeb 27 19:32
jononot nowFeb 27 19:32
DaemonFC:(Feb 27 19:32
sebsebsebjono: People  seem to like to use this channel to express their negative opinions or feelings about stuff.  When I do stuff like that,  I don't always mean it fully, depends.Feb 27 19:34
DaemonFCwell, nonfree software and patent trolls are going where the bait is atFeb 27 19:35
DaemonFCall kind of coalescing around UbuntuFeb 27 19:35
DaemonFCtake raccoons for example, always digging through your garbage, sprawling it out over your yardFeb 27 19:36
bruce89uughFeb 27 19:37
DaemonFCor sharks when there's blood in the waterFeb 27 19:37
bruce89I don't know what's worse, Scotland making a mess of it, or thisFeb 27 19:37
DaemonFCright now Ubuntu is bleeding cash and the sharks are leveraging this for their own gainFeb 27 19:38
DaemonFCUbuntu could also be considered a hungry raccoon digging through proprietary software's garbage bins looking for something to eatFeb 27 19:38
DaemonFCthat's where Bing search and that proprietary MP3 store contraption came fromFeb 27 19:39
DaemonFCand Ubuntu One (Amazon, a Linux-hostile company)Feb 27 19:39
jonoDaemonFC, have you considered (a) just use something else and stop trolling or (b) trying and contribute to the solution instead of just trolling? you do realize that trolling is actually harmful to the FLOSS community, right?Feb 27 19:40
DaemonFCthey're so desperate for cash, they don't care where it comes from or who they have to sell down the river to get itFeb 27 19:40
jonoI am not trying to change your mind, but I think you could have a more productive impact on changeFeb 27 19:40
jonoif you disagree with us, fine, but do something *useful* to make what you think should happen, happenFeb 27 19:40
sebsebsebjono: I agree,  negative comments on the web, that aren't fully true, about  Ubuntu 9.10 being a bad release,  can be harmful to the Linux community as a whole not just Ubuntu.Feb 27 19:41
DaemonFCnow might be a good time to get off Ubuntu and onto something that isn't actively betraying their usersFeb 27 19:41
jonotrolling is not useful, it just makes you look lame and take up other people's timeFeb 27 19:41
jonoDaemonFC, there you go, there are many other choicesFeb 27 19:41
sebsebsebjono: I mean some of that 9.10  is bad stuff I read before,  seems to of been typed up by people who didn't really understand how Ubuntu does it's releases.Feb 27 19:41
jonoDaemonFC, you have a lot of energy, which is awesome, I just wish you would spend it in a productive wayFeb 27 19:41
DaemonFCjono, So RMS should quit complaining about Apple?Feb 27 19:42
jonoRMS is not a troll, he works on productive thingsFeb 27 19:42
DaemonFChe spends an awful lot of time trolling AppleFeb 27 19:42
DaemonFCpoor AppleFeb 27 19:42
jonoRMS has committed his life to productive, worthy work on free softwareFeb 27 19:42
jonohis work on GNU, the GPL and other things is awesomeFeb 27 19:42
sebsebsebjono: Have you ever mett RMS by the way?Feb 27 19:42
bruce89even the Wales game was better than thisFeb 27 19:42
jonosebsebseb, yepFeb 27 19:42
sebsebsebjono: What you think of him?Feb 27 19:42
jonosebsebseb, great guyFeb 27 19:42
DaemonFCand when DefectiveByDesign calls out bad people doing bad things?Feb 27 19:43
sebsebsebRMS has some slightly extreame veiws according to certain people, but  as Desktop Linux users, we should all be rather loyal to him reallyFeb 27 19:43
sebsebseband not joke about himFeb 27 19:43
sebsebsebLinux distros most of them use a lot of the GNU tools after allFeb 27 19:43
jonoDaemonFC, disagreeing is not trolling, but just niggling away at people on IRC isFeb 27 19:43
DaemonFCthey all do spare Android I thinkFeb 27 19:43
jonoDaemonFC, I am just saying I think you could harness your energy in more productive waysFeb 27 19:44
jonowhich could really further free softwareFeb 27 19:44
jonobut being another bitchy kid on IRC is not usefulFeb 27 19:44
jono:)Feb 27 19:44
jonoif you want ideas for ways to harness your energy, I am happy to help :)Feb 27 19:44
jonoI can certainly offer suggestions outside of UbuntuFeb 27 19:44
sebsebsebDaemonFC:  that windows 7 sins site is maybe a bit extreame in certain ways, but  Microsoft have done similar stuff when it comes to Desktop Linux alsoFeb 27 19:47
DaemonFCGet The FUDFeb 27 19:47
DaemonFCWe're cheaper, even when we cost twice as muchFeb 27 19:47
DaemonFCand we have the study results we paid for right hereFeb 27 19:47
DaemonFCthey told us everything we told them toFeb 27 19:47
jonoDaemonFC, I take it you are not interesting in doing something which is more productive then?Feb 27 19:48
jonowhich is fineFeb 27 19:48
DaemonFCwho says I'm not?Feb 27 19:48
jonoDaemonFC, so you are then?Feb 27 19:48
DaemonFCnot FOSS related, certainly productive, no I can't talk about it, yes people would want to kill meFeb 27 19:49
sebsebsebjono: It's Saturday, do you get week ends off or not?Feb 27 19:50
jonoDaemonFC, eh?Feb 27 19:51
DaemonFCin fact, if I had cigars, I'm almost sure people would be poisoning them alreadyFeb 27 19:51
jonoDaemonFC, why do people dislike you so much?Feb 27 19:52
jonosebsebseb, I do get the weekends off, although I choose to work most of themFeb 27 19:52
sebsebsebjono: and then you work all week as well, if you worked at weekend or?Feb 27 19:53
jonoyeah, I work all week and then often work the weekends tooFeb 27 19:53
DaemonFCbecause I'm one of those unsavory personality types in asymmetrical warfare with societal standards as we know themFeb 27 19:53
sebsebsebjono: and get paid extra I assume for the weekendsFeb 27 19:53
DaemonFCor something to that effectFeb 27 19:53
jonoDaemonFC, and you like that?Feb 27 19:53
jonoDaemonFC, would you not prefer to be seen in an inspirational way around FLOSS?Feb 27 19:53
jonosebsebseb, no, not paid extraFeb 27 19:54
jonoI just have a *lot* of work to do :)Feb 27 19:54
DaemonFCsalaryFeb 27 19:54
jonosalary?Feb 27 19:54
DaemonFCI will never work salary again as long as I liveFeb 27 19:54
sebsebsebjono: such as?  what kind of stuff do you actsualley do?Feb 27 19:54
jonoDaemonFC, what do you do for a living?Feb 27 19:54
DaemonFCI was in retail management for a few yearsFeb 27 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] mediawiki w/ interpreted php takes 2-10s to render a page. before you click, guess how fast it is compiled in hiphop http://is.gd/9kNahFeb 27 19:55
DaemonFC48-60 hours a week, sleeping on my desk some timesFeb 27 19:55
DaemonFCI hated thatFeb 27 19:55
jonoDaemonFC, what do you do now?Feb 27 19:56
DaemonFCyou could say I'm my own bossFeb 27 19:56
DaemonFCbut I don't discuss businessFeb 27 19:56
jonoDaemonFC, rightFeb 27 19:56
jonoDaemonFC, ok, well I need to get onFeb 27 19:56
jonobut if you want to stop the trolling and do some productive work, let me know if you want some ideas - I think you could do an awesome jobFeb 27 19:57
jono:)Feb 27 19:57
DaemonFCworking in other windows and having music going and chat programs there is niceFeb 27 19:57
DaemonFCit doesn't feel like work most of the timeFeb 27 19:57
DaemonFCjono, Catch up on sleep. Best use for SaturdayFeb 27 19:58
jonookFeb 27 19:59
jonolaterFeb 27 19:59
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schestowitz"@schestowitz Haven't seen any. Care to point me to some properly peer-reviewed papers?" http://identi.ca/notice/23268968Feb 27 20:13
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schestowitz"@fabsh RMS linked to one last week. There is also recent stuff like http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10419518-17.html "Feb 27 20:18
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DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/27/AR2010022701580_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010022701681Feb 27 20:25
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DaemonFCbruce89, popey did go ask if there are GUIDs in the MP3 files from the 7digital storeFeb 27 20:44
DaemonFCif they answer that much, I did get some important information out of the tirade I guessFeb 27 20:44
sebsebsebDaemonFC: What are GUIDs?Feb 27 20:46
DaemonFCglobally unique identifiersFeb 27 20:46
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I don't understandFeb 27 20:46
DaemonFCthey can be used as a cookie embedded in the MP3 tag to personally identify who bought themFeb 27 20:46
sebsebsebohFeb 27 20:46
bruce89ahFeb 27 20:46
DaemonFCI asked them to confirm or deny that the music downloads in Ubuntu One have those or notFeb 27 20:47
DaemonFCI consider them a form of spywareFeb 27 20:47
sebsebsebDaemonFC: what does tirade mean, I guess you mean Canonical/Ubuntu?  I am not that good at wordsFeb 27 20:47
DaemonFCtirade = bitching loudlyFeb 27 20:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just seen another Windows 7 advert....."Windows 7 is mine"...yep you can keep it...Does anyone buy into those cheesy ads? #microsoft #failFeb 27 20:48
DaemonFCincessantlyFeb 27 20:48
sebsebsebDaemonFC: as in a lot?Feb 27 20:48
sebsebsebanyway that's an idea, having the names of people who bought an MP3  in the tagsFeb 27 20:48
sebsebsebthen some of those people might put it on bittorrent or something, others illegally download, and bangFeb 27 20:49
DaemonFCgo off on a tirade means that something pissed you off and you're blind in anger and won't stop bitching about itFeb 27 20:49
DaemonFCI guess is how I'd put itFeb 27 20:49
DaemonFCsebsebseb, That's one reason it's spywareFeb 27 20:49
DaemonFCand why some stores use themFeb 27 20:49
DaemonFCApple iTunes doesFeb 27 20:50
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I don't think about music tags normalley, in fact I don't know much about themFeb 27 20:50
sebsebseb,but yesFeb 27 20:50
sebsebsebname of the song and suchFeb 27 20:50
DaemonFCanother reason is that Last.FM or something could scrobble those filesFeb 27 20:50
sebsebsebmost people probably don't know about tags, that use MP3Feb 27 20:50
DaemonFCand they know exactly who bought themFeb 27 20:50
DaemonFCI'm paranoid about such thingsFeb 27 20:50
DaemonFCand want it to be known if they use GUIDs in their MP3s they sellFeb 27 20:51
DaemonFCit's a legitimate concernFeb 27 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Nice! Step 1: integrate #elmdentica into #enlightenment 's svn. Step 2: remember to do svn update and find out that translations were addedFeb 27 20:51
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Apple actually adds about 500 K to every AAC file you get from iTunesFeb 27 20:51
bruce89http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/7F94mW_P4X4ELoVycKms0w?feat=directlinkFeb 27 20:51
sebsebseb500K of tag data?Feb 27 20:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Picasa Web Albums: free photo sharing from Google .::. Size~: 16.72 KBFeb 27 20:51
DaemonFCit has a lot of information about you in itFeb 27 20:51
DaemonFCyesFeb 27 20:51
DaemonFCand tag editors won't remove itFeb 27 20:52
DaemonFCit's proprietaryFeb 27 20:52
sebsebsebWord documents used to or still haveFeb 27 20:52
sebsebsebI mean can have quite a bit of info about people in themFeb 27 20:52
sebsebseb,but yet people email them etcFeb 27 20:52
sebsebsebmeta data yeahFeb 27 20:52
DaemonFCsebsebseb, The MP3 format is more limited in most ways than AACFeb 27 20:52
DaemonFCthe good thing is so is the tagging systemFeb 27 20:52
DaemonFCid3 can only store a few K of dataFeb 27 20:52
DaemonFCit's still enough to put some globally unique information in there thoughFeb 27 20:53
DaemonFCmisuse the tag fields to insert a hash value or somethingFeb 27 20:53
sebsebsebDaemonFC: some of the stuff you have said in here, doesn't look good,  maybe you should worry a bit about what  you say in here,  after all someone might come after you as a result?Feb 27 20:53
DaemonFCnoFeb 27 20:53
bruce89who do you have in mind?Feb 27 20:54
DaemonFCIt's known that they do these things, just not well knownFeb 27 20:54
sebsebsebbruce89: The Internet police?Feb 27 20:54
bruce89ah yes, helloFeb 27 20:54
DaemonFCand it should be well known that the music you download could be ratting you out or helping people spy on youFeb 27 20:54
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well if you buy MP3'sFeb 27 20:55
sebsebsebyou shoudn't share them with other people in the first placeFeb 27 20:55
sebsebsebit's as simple as thatFeb 27 20:55
DaemonFCMP3s aren't really that hard to stripFeb 27 20:55
DaemonFCjust clear the tags and re-tag themFeb 27 20:55
DaemonFCthere may still be a watermark in the audio, but all that tells them is what store sold that fileFeb 27 20:56
DaemonFCnot who bought itFeb 27 20:56
sebsebsebUbuntu OneFeb 27 20:56
sebsebseband Ubuntu Music StoreFeb 27 20:56
sebsebsebare two services I don't plan on usingFeb 27 20:56
DaemonFCno, they would be watermarked from 7digitalFeb 27 20:56
DaemonFCAmazon watermarks theirs tooFeb 27 20:56
DaemonFCso does lalaFeb 27 20:57
sebsebsebmay as well just buy albums if going to buy musicFeb 27 20:57
sebsebsebat least that wayFeb 27 20:57
sebsebsebget a nice psyical product as wellFeb 27 20:57
DaemonFCyeah, CD qualityFeb 27 20:57
sebsebsebproblem with CD's though, is really they can brake quite easilleyFeb 27 20:57
DaemonFCsebsebseb, rip them to FLACFeb 27 20:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 20:57
sebsebsebwell yeah they can be converted into  music formatsFeb 27 20:58
DaemonFCflac is losslessFeb 27 20:58
DaemonFCit's like having the CD without having to put the CD inFeb 27 20:58
sebsebsebin fact some people will buy CD's, convert them into music formats, and then put away the CD into a safe placeFeb 27 20:58
sebsebsebto keepFeb 27 20:58
DaemonFCI'd be fine with paying the $6-7 for q6 VorbisFeb 27 20:59
bruce89files break easier, you just run rm on themFeb 27 20:59
sebsebsebbruce89: :DFeb 27 20:59
sebsebsebDaemonFC: q6?Feb 27 20:59
DaemonFCquality level 6Feb 27 20:59
sebsebsebright whatever that isFeb 27 20:59
sebsebsebwell the name gives us an idea what that is :DFeb 27 20:59
bruce89it's higher than 5, and lower than 7Feb 27 20:59
DaemonFCvariable bitrate averaging about 192kFeb 27 20:59
bruce89well, in the old days maybeFeb 27 21:00
DaemonFCVorbis uses lossless stereo coupling and some insane cutoffs at q6Feb 27 21:00
DaemonFCI'd dare just about anyone to spot the Vorbis from the CDFeb 27 21:00
DaemonFCreally q5 does well enough in most casesFeb 27 21:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3,500 People Move to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/nsy5 http://ur1.ca/nsy6Feb 27 21:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mosaic Completes Nation-Wide Linux Migration Successfully with NoMachine NX .::. Size~: 18.19 KBFeb 27 21:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux users, the coolest cats in town - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 74.88 KBFeb 27 21:01
DaemonFCit uses point stereo somewhatFeb 27 21:01
DaemonFCanything lower than q3 uses point entirely and the stereo image can easily collapse :PFeb 27 21:01
bruce89I see (sort of)Feb 27 21:01
DaemonFCbruce89, Point essentially saves on bitrate by cutting into redundancies in the stereo imageFeb 27 21:02
DaemonFCthe lower down the quality scale you go, the more you'll notice itFeb 27 21:02
bruce89now I do completelyFeb 27 21:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Support and Sandy Bridge http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17837/1/Feb 27 21:03
DaemonFCbecause the redundancy level becomes less and less redundant :)Feb 27 21:03
DaemonFCeventually there's no stereo separation left at allFeb 27 21:03
DaemonFCthe other thing it does as you go lower and lower is lower the lowpass filterFeb 27 21:04
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 21:04
DaemonFCq5 is really the lowest you want to go with Vorbis to get good resultsFeb 27 21:04
DaemonFCthe lowpass filter at q5 is 20.2 KhzFeb 27 21:05
DaemonFCat q4, it is 18.7 KhzFeb 27 21:05
DaemonFCupper range of human hearing can be as much as 20 KhzFeb 27 21:05
DaemonFCso if you set it lower than 5, you risk having it throw away audio data that you can perceiveFeb 27 21:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux as Standard for Ease of Use http://blogs.computerworld.com/15627/say_this_is_almost_as_easy_as_linuxFeb 27 21:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Say, this is almost as easy as Linux! - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 133.33 KBFeb 27 21:06
DaemonFCobviously if you're using Vorbis for voice or low bitrate streaming, you'll go below 5Feb 27 21:06
DaemonFC-2 is good enough for voiceFeb 27 21:07
DaemonFCthe official encoder only goes down to -1 thoughFeb 27 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Expanding, Female Crowd Gets More Attention http://ur1.ca/nsyy http://ur1.ca/nsyzFeb 27 21:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 302 Found .::. Size~: 68.75 KBFeb 27 21:08
DaemonFCAotuv merge introduced negative numbers for quality valuesFeb 27 21:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Column: The Linux Desktop Expansion | PC Plus .::. Size~: 34.63 KBFeb 27 21:08
DaemonFCoriginal Vorbis was 0-10 which is roughly 64k to 500kFeb 27 21:08
DaemonFC-1 gives you 48k, and -2 is 32kFeb 27 21:08
bruce89of course, speex comes into the equationFeb 27 21:09
DaemonFCyeah, if your device plays speexFeb 27 21:09
DaemonFCmore devices play Vorbis than SpeexFeb 27 21:09
DaemonFCI'd use -2 Vorbis for speech just cause more things will play itFeb 27 21:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canada Uses tax Against #GNU #Linux http://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2010/02/canadian-tax-software-and-linux.htmlFeb 27 21:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: mdeslaur: Canadian tax software and Linux .::. Size~: 53.32 KBFeb 27 21:10
sebsebsebhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/legislation/news/index.cfm?newsid=19060Feb 27 21:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Stallman and Free Software Foundation launch Day Against DRM - Legislation/regulation/privacy - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 81.05 KBFeb 27 21:10
DaemonFCVorbis can also drop to frame sizes as low as 1kbps in silenceFeb 27 21:10
DaemonFCyou're not going to end up with massively bigger -2 Vorbis files than you will in speexFeb 27 21:11
DaemonFCSpeex was really meant to be useful for low bandwidth VOIPFeb 27 21:11
DaemonFCEkiga uses itFeb 27 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cray Deploys #GNU #Linux for #DepartmentofDefence http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/cray_dod_deals/Feb 27 21:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Cray inks $45m super pact with DoD • The Register .::. Size~: 38.93 KBFeb 27 21:12
bruce89http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/Feb 27 21:13
bruce89quite interestingFeb 27 21:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ConKolivas Contributes Directly to #Linux #Kernel Space http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAxOQFeb 27 21:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Kolivas Pushes New Kernel Responsiveness Patches .::. Size~: 16.18 KBFeb 27 21:14
DaemonFChmmmmFeb 27 21:14
DaemonFCOK, 7digital is not putting GUIDs in their MP3 filesFeb 27 21:14
DaemonFCno watermarking eitherFeb 27 21:14
DaemonFCyayFeb 27 21:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Steam for #GNU #Linux Inevitable, #Linux Rubik’s Cube http://www.thinq.co.uk/news/2010/2/26/steam-could-be-coming-to-mac/Feb 27 21:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Steam could be coming to Mac | THINQ.co.uk .::. Size~: 26.65 KBFeb 27 21:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: Steam should be coming to LinuxFeb 27 21:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: quite a lot of people Wine itFeb 27 21:23
sebsebsebDesktop Linux :)Feb 27 21:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOM E Desktop 3 Has New Components http://ur1.ca/nt10 http://ur1.ca/nt11Feb 27 21:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  » Early peak into Gnome 3s potential Seth Nickell .::. Size~: 77.55 KBFeb 27 21:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: "Task Pooper" could revolutionize GNOME desktop .::. Size~: 36.43 KBFeb 27 21:25
bruce89I love the idea, but the name needs rethinkingFeb 27 21:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Phoronix Test Suite Becomes a #GNU #Linux Distribution http://ur1.ca/nt17Feb 27 21:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PTS Desktop Live 2010.1: Phoronix Test Suite 2.4.1 in a Live CD - Put your PC through its paces with a full-blown testing and benchmarking suite - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.51 KBFeb 27 21:26
DaemonFCbruce89, No worse than Bug BuddyFeb 27 21:26
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 21:26
bruce89I guessFeb 27 21:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva to Present at Solutions #Linux 2010 Exhibition http://ur1.ca/nt1aFeb 27 21:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: We will be present at the Solutions Linux 2010 exhibition «  The Official Mandriva Blog .::. Size~: 10.03 KBFeb 27 21:27
DaemonFCI eagerly await GNOME 3Feb 27 21:27
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 21:27
bruce89so do IFeb 27 21:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Having a Multitude of Distributions is Great http://ostatic.com/blog/in-defense-of-distro-hopping http://lwn.net/Articles/374737/Feb 27 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  In Defense of Distro-hopping  .::. Size~: 42.38 KBFeb 27 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FOSDEM'10: distributions and downstream-upstream collaboration [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 33.3 KBFeb 27 21:29
bruce89rather funny wee details in the new gnome-icon-themeFeb 27 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] IE6/IE7 users! http://newstechnica.com now has a favicon, a white-on-red 'n'. it works in IE8, does it work in IE6/IE7? please testFeb 27 21:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Debian #GNU #Linux Suitable for Academia http://ur1.ca/nt1uFeb 27 21:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 43.28 KBFeb 27 21:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why GNU/Linux for academics and why Debian in particular? « Bayesian Modeling in the Social Sciences .::. Size~: 24.86 KBFeb 27 21:31
bruce89the calculator says "why all this detail" on the solar cellFeb 27 21:32
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DaemonFCthe compositor in gnome shell is way faster than CompizFeb 27 21:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Technically Just as Good or Better Than #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/nt2tFeb 27 21:42
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mint Enlightenment « The Linux Critic .::. Size~: 36.02 KBFeb 27 21:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lubuntu (w/ LXDE) 10.04 Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 Released With 4 New Default Apps And New Artwork (Screenshots) ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 100.23 KBFeb 27 21:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Kubuntu is awesome! .::. Size~: 26.9 KBFeb 27 21:44
bruce89mutterFeb 27 21:44
bruce89incidentally gnome0icon-theme's multimedia-player icon has Jono Bacon : Free Software Song playingFeb 27 21:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why PC gaming has it’s days numbered http://tinyurl.com/yhcl6wk #microsoft #windows #xbox #ps3Feb 27 21:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why PC gaming has its days numbered «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 31.72 KBFeb 27 21:50
sebsebsebbruce89:  DaemonFC  http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022602835NWLLFeb 27 21:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX and #Linux Become Leaders in Mobile #Phones http://ur1.ca/nt47Feb 27 21:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - Europe 'will not accept' three strikes in Acta treaty .::. Size~: 77.75 KBFeb 27 21:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google and Apple: Giants of the Mobile Industry | Best Mobile Contracts .::. Size~: 26.79 KBFeb 27 21:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Boosted by #ARM http://ur1.ca/nt49 http://ur1.ca/nt4a http://ur1.ca/nt4bFeb 27 21:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   ABI: 163 million Smartbook shipments in 2015 .::. Size~: 27.21 KBFeb 27 21:52
DaemonFChmm, I take back half of the bad things I've said about EuropeFeb 27 21:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Canonical Taps Enlightenment for Ubuntu ARM Devices  .::. Size~: 35.56 KBFeb 27 21:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Prism for Jolicloud: Web-Centric Desktop Apps - O'Reilly Radar .::. Size~: 35.75 KBFeb 27 21:52
DaemonFC:)Feb 27 21:52
DaemonFCif they kill the rest of ACTA, I'll take back the other halfFeb 27 21:53
DaemonFCok, hellFeb 27 21:53
DaemonFCthey did goodFeb 27 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Phones Run Full #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/nt4p http://ur1.ca/nt4qFeb 27 21:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablets with #GNU #Linux Render Competitors Obsolete http://ostatic.com/blog/how-dual-os-open-source-tablets-could-slay-apples-ipadFeb 27 21:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  How Dual-OS Open Source Tablets Could Slay Apple's iPad  .::. Size~: 41.57 KBFeb 27 21:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Possibly Smallest #CPU Core Ever Runs #Linux http://www.electropages.com/viewArticle.aspx?intArticle=14923Feb 27 21:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #London 's Web Site Move to #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/nt5bFeb 27 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla to Educate British Public http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/31716/mozilla-begins-opentochoice-org-campaignFeb 27 22:01
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schestowitz[21:27] <DaemonFC> I eagerly await GNOME 3Feb 27 22:09
schestowitzSeptemberFeb 27 22:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Wat is er nu weer loos op het Ubuntu-NL forum, hebben ze me nu wéér onterecht gebanned?Feb 27 22:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Heb me opnieuw als steunpunt aangemeld, wilde dit even melden. Kan niet.Feb 27 22:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EFF Reminds World That People's #CivilRights at Risk (USA PATRIOT) http://ur1.ca/nqo2 http://ur1.ca/nt7sFeb 27 22:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Zit schijnbaar weer een slotje op dit topic. http://tinyurl.com/yd4xxyqFeb 27 22:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK IT minister Clueless About the Web, Sir Tim Berners-Lee to the Rescue http://ur1.ca/nt88 http://ur1.ca/nt89Feb 27 22:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK.gov IT minister makes open source gaffe over browsers • The Register .::. Size~: 24.75 KBFeb 27 22:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: How Sir Tim Berners-Lee cut the Gordian Knot of HTML5 |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 118.82 KBFeb 27 22:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Data/Access Gains More Momentum http://www.unr.edu/features/09-10/haiti/ http://www.statepress.com/node/11232Feb 27 22:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA is Under Attack in #Europe http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,40057434,00.htmFeb 27 22:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The US Cracks Down on Net's #FreeSpeech http://ur1.ca/nt8r http://ur1.ca/nt8sFeb 27 22:29
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Technology & Marketing Law Blog: Rare Ruling on Damages for Sending Bogus Copyright Takedown Notice--Lenz v. Universal .::. Size~: 23.02 KBFeb 27 22:29
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schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfYyBp4Ln2s&feature=relatedFeb 27 22:35
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schestowitzCheck out his channel =3Feb 27 22:36
schestowitzI've watched about 40 videos there... just accumulationsFeb 27 22:36
bruce89the printer's called Havoc-PenningtoFeb 27 22:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@buzzflash Before the military forces people to watch #FOX <--- whoa, hold it right there. #wtf The Propaganda Network #war #death #gopFeb 27 22:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@buzzflash Before the military forces people to watch #FOX <--whoa, hold it right there #wtf http://tinyurl.com/yal74ek #Propaganda NetworkFeb 27 22:55
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sebsebsebhi oiaohmFeb 27 23:00
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: Poor Canada in a way, no medals in the alpine skiing.Feb 27 23:01
bruce89plenty everywhere elseFeb 27 23:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @agnes_europe La Commission #eu défavorable à la transparence de l'#ACTA ? http://bit.ly/9SDFGTFeb 27 23:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Quels pays sont favorables à la transparence de l'ACTA ? - Numerama .::. Size~: 75.29 KBFeb 27 23:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Já dizia o meu avô! ♺ @pvilela: Hoje em dia instalar sw é mto mais fácil em Linux que em windows ♺ @jfborges: http://ow.ly/1bTEnFeb 27 23:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Tecnologia/0,,MUL1507249-6174,00-SAIBA+QUANDO+VALE+A+PENA+ADOTAR+O+LINUX+SISTEMA+OPERACIONAL+GRATUITO.html .::. Size~: 4.25 KBFeb 27 23:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @deathboyuk A warm bath. Enya. Candles. A harness. The deluxe Anal Violator.Three otters and an arm full of heroin. Some "me" time!Feb 27 23:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Oh won't #cpanel, #whm, #phpmyadmin just go away... a #gui does not a #sysadmin make. #fail #uselessFeb 27 23:19
bruce89I'll need to learn how to do Fedora packaging some dayFeb 27 23:20
Diablo-D3mehFeb 27 23:21
*Diablo-D3 ponders running redhatFeb 27 23:22
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, Fedora packages YOU!Feb 27 23:23
bruce89ah yes, you must remind me to install bruce-cowan-0.0.0-1.fc13.rpmFeb 27 23:25
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MinceR:>Feb 27 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Enough for today. Going to watch some films. Stephen King's the Mist and "The Others". Good night!Feb 27 23:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Id love for there to be a system where I could contribute my PC CPU cycles to the launchpad build bots.Security issues a plenty.I can dream.Feb 27 23:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook is becoming a software patents nuisance and its potential ties with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/ntfiFeb 27 23:36
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schestowitzbruce89: your wife said you're a dependency hell :-DFeb 27 23:39
bruce89oh dearFeb 27 23:39
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bruce89X crashed on meFeb 27 23:42

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