| DaemonFC | schestowitz, This town is dying | Mar 04 00:12 |
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| DaemonFC | it's trying to cannibalize itself to stay running | Mar 04 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. | Mar 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | So what? | Mar 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Some towns have no full-time policemen | Mar 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They work in shifts | Mar 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | I saw a film about one | Mar 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't mean more crime | Mar 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Unless you are your gun freak fanatics are planning an armed revolusion of Indiana | Mar 04 00:14 |
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| schestowitz | Ha!! http://www.techgoondu.com/2010/02/28/linux-os-a-rose-by-any-other-name/ | Mar 04 00:14 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Best time to own a gun | Mar 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | the shit is about to hit the fan | Mar 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | when there's no more police left to deal with things and crime is even more rampant than it is now | Mar 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | lock and load | Mar 04 00:17 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's already enough crime as-is, why would you think that publicly firing 10 police officers wouldn't embolden the criminals? | Mar 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | That's wishful thinking at its worst | Mar 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | I might show my mom how to shoot, she lives down the street from me and there's bars next to bars next to bars on the next street over | Mar 04 00:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello, some background on Eliot the hedge fund. Its run by Paul E. Singer http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/us/politics/22singer.html?_r=2&oref=slogin | Mar 04 00:21 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: the Free State of Indiana? :> | Mar 04 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | if some drunk breaks in, I'd want her to be able to shoot them before they did who knows what | Mar 04 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm not going to start something, but you better believe that I'll end it | Mar 04 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | you better have a death wish if you break into my home | Mar 04 00:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Elliott Associates, L P is a "private" company, meaning I cannot find out who deposits money there | Mar 04 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, I think that's the point | Mar 04 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But that in itself should be a problem for the Fund trying to try over Novell, shouldn't it? | Mar 04 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anti-trust | Mar 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If they fire the police and there's nobody to "protect" me, I'm going to assume that leaves me to protect myself | Mar 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | and will do so | Mar 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's what they're saying | Mar 04 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | everyone for themselves | Mar 04 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Icahn and Elliot both conspired on one takeover | Mar 04 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or should I say agreed | Mar 04 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, I'd just sit back and see how this pans out | Mar 04 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's a novel concept that Microsoft would like to buy Novell to make it Microsoft Suse | Mar 04 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Mar 04 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | also in that link, there is more on just the vulture stuff on the Congo, Singer hit Peru as well | Mar 04 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, This is Ballmer drive-by bidding, like when he offered to buy Yahoo just to make their stock go down | Mar 04 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | make them weaker and more pliable | Mar 04 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | now he basically owns Yahoo and it cost nothing | Mar 04 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would bet money, that Gates, MS, the Gates Foundation, Ballmer, Allen, have money behind this fund | Mar 04 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I think | Mar 04 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | drive by Ballmer bidding by proxy | Mar 04 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | to soften Novell up | Mar 04 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | I think he's behind the offer | Mar 04 00:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you maybe right | Mar 04 00:27 |
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| DaemonFC | he chose an offshore private company so he wouldn't call attention to himself | Mar 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | or have regulators blocking the bid | Mar 04 00:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what is funny, is tht hedge funds have been shrinking the last couple of years, and only Elliot and a very few others grew, Elliot grew by quite a bit actually | Mar 04 00:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Elliot is actually two funds, one is international | Mar 04 00:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but both founded and controlled by Paul E. Singer, who started out as a lawyer | Mar 04 00:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Harvard lawyer I think | Mar 04 00:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] These guys use an ancient #KDE for their "new" OS. http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html | Mar 04 00:30 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | There is a lot of dirt on Singer in that NY Times article | Mar 04 00:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is a big republican | Mar 04 00:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not that this is bad by itself | Mar 04 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Any more info? | Mar 04 00:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Novell still has 1 billion dollar cash reserveres (what I seen in a link) and the offer was for $2 billion, its really only an 1 billion offer, isn't it? | Mar 04 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is lots, actually | Mar 04 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but mostly only a small fact here and there | Mar 04 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What I really was searching for was a link between Singer and MS/Gates | Mar 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | What does Groklaw say? | Mar 04 00:35 |
| schestowitz | It put many links there, I haven't checked those yet | Mar 04 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not sure | Mar 04 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Let me check now... | Mar 04 00:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I will keep looking for a link online | Mar 04 00:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_E._Singer | Mar 04 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | Interesting | Mar 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | It seems like SCO suitors | Mar 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Who were close to gates | Mar 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Norris, York, etc. | Mar 04 00:42 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of private shells | Mar 04 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Chuck Norris Venture Capital | Mar 04 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, yes | Mar 04 00:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I hear they negotiate with roundhouse kicks | Mar 04 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | SHut yo mouth or Norris will shoot ya! | Mar 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | he doesn't do that | Mar 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | he roundhouse kicks | Mar 04 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | my gun is useless in that situation | Mar 04 00:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I say it might fail anti-trust in EU | Mar 04 00:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but its a rubber stamp here in USA | Mar 04 00:45 |
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| schestowitz | How so? | Mar 04 00:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | picture, if you need one: http://hattie.typepad.com/hatties_web/2007/11/paul-e-singer.html | Mar 04 00:47 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/21/sco-infighting-and-infiltrations/ | Mar 04 00:48 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://dailynews1001.blogspot.com/2010/03/elliott-offers-2-billion-buyout-of.html "In a letter to Novell's board, Elliott portfolio manager Jesse Cohn said the offer, net of about $1 billion in cash in the company, implies a $1 billion enterprise value, a 49 percent premium to the company's current enterprise value." | Mar 04 00:50 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | so Novell still has 1 billion in cash, if I read this right, and the offer really is only for another billion | Mar 04 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 04 00:51 |
| schestowitz | But Novell also has debt | Mar 04 00:51 |
| schestowitz | About half a billion | Mar 04 00:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/01/sco_mcbride_to_buy_mobile_assets/ | Mar 04 00:51 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | So maybe Novell only has enough cash to last a couple of quarters then, without going into debt? | Mar 04 00:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Horseplan has not been good for Novell | Mar 04 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Horseplan? | Mar 04 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Trojan? | Mar 04 00:55 |
| MinceR | hovsepian | Mar 04 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | should have been shown the door long ago | Mar 04 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 04 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like the Horseplan name better | Mar 04 00:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell #Fail http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/03/dell_mistakenly_charges_100k_for_linux_netbook.html | Mar 04 00:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | well, they have a lot of patents | Mar 04 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | putting their future in question means "Who gets the patents?" | Mar 04 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | someone will get them, even in a bankruptcy sale | Mar 04 00:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | check out this site Roy, its a resource: http://www.nndb.com/org/774/000167273/ | Mar 04 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | I sometimes think of these people in Peru | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Some are not literate | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | And some jerk in New York and ripping them off even more | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to help | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | If only they knew how it works | Mar 04 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they exploit the poor | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | This Singer guy belongs in prison | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | He seems to use proxies | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Like the one in an Island for a Congo loan | Mar 04 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, exploit the poor to get even more rich from millions of farmers | Mar 04 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Icahn seems like peanuts next to this person | Mar 04 01:02 |
| schestowitz | No wonder he's keeping so discreet | Mar 04 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Voting Republicans | Mar 04 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not all republicans are bad | Mar 04 01:02 |
| schestowitz | To turn a blind eye with "free market" BS while he commit white-collar crimes | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: neo-cons | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | [00:56] <Chips_B_Malroy> I like the Horseplan name better | Mar 04 01:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they use the law, to their own means | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | He's from IBM | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Like Jaffe | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | But Jaffe left | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Levy too | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Before the bid | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | JIT | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Also Zonker and Friedman | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, he's a lawyer | Mar 04 01:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Eric Scmidt, who runs Google, used to run Novell? | Mar 04 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 04 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wonder if the link I should be using for Singer, since he went to Harvard, is Gates Senior instead? | Mar 04 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They probably smart enough so no real link can be established | Mar 04 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Check their ages | Mar 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I think Gates Sr. is older | Mar 04 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 63 I think | Mar 04 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | more Bill age | Mar 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they went to the same class or something | Mar 04 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | could be | Mar 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft has other execs | Mar 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | No Harvard grads I can think of | Mar 04 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Not even BillG | Mar 04 01:07 |
| schestowitz | He dropped out | Mar 04 01:07 |
| tessier | http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2010/03/04/201003040036.asp | Mar 04 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Billy G, wasn't it Harvard he dropped out? and later got an honorary? | Mar 04 01:07 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, he has an honorary degree from Harvard | Mar 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | so harvard sucks up to criminals too | Mar 04 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/032207-bill-gates-to-finally-receive.html | Mar 04 01:09 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC, you see some of the candidates that Singer gave money to? | Mar 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: well, duh. I've fallen behind in Linux news | Mar 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I knew that | Mar 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't count | Mar 04 01:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry, I distract with this | Mar 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | not just corvinus university of budapest does | Mar 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he committed crimes for a few decades, so he got the diploma | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | It shows he managed to hack the system | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | That grants him good honours | Mar 04 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's a harvard degree | Mar 04 01:10 |
| MinceR | this is a new sense of "honor" to me | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Some lawyers become patent trolls | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Like Ray iNiro | Mar 04 01:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its all about money | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | *Niro | Mar 04 01:10 |
| MinceR | i thought harvard was a reputable university | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: at someone's expense | Mar 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: so was Stalin | Mar 04 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Reputable | Mar 04 01:11 |
| schestowitz | He had statues | Mar 04 01:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 01:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its seems Harvard is in busness of turning out some real heartless lawyers | Mar 04 01:11 |
| MinceR | if only they were heartless. | Mar 04 01:12 |
| MinceR | then their cells would quickly die of hypoxia. | Mar 04 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Just ask MinceR what the Hungarians did to his statues | Mar 04 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | hint "He's a little shorter than he used to be" | Mar 04 01:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 04 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stalin%27s_Boots.jpg | Mar 04 01:13 |
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| MinceR | sadly they didn't do that to the soviet monument on Kossuth square | Mar 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, is it still there? | Mar 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | and our corrupt russianophile government insists on protecting it | Mar 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | surely not | Mar 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | it's still there | Mar 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | they say it's protected by an agreement with the russians | Mar 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | defaced at least? | Mar 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | i say fuck the russians | Mar 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | there were defacements, but it was restored | Mar 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | no..... | Mar 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Mar 04 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | blow it up? | Mar 04 01:15 |
| MinceR | these spineless criminals don't mind at all that we have a memorial that mentions the occupation by russians as "liberation" | Mar 04 01:15 |
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| MinceR | it should be blown up | Mar 04 01:15 |
| MinceR | preferably with our politicians neatly tied to it | Mar 04 01:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so here is a lawyer trying to buy Novell with the hedge fund that he controls, which the investors are private. Should the question be, what does Novell have, or could have after the SCO trial, that certain companies, or patent trolls, would want? | Mar 04 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's a crime against the citizens that suffered under that regime and died trying to free themselves of it. | Mar 04 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | It should be bulldozed | Mar 04 01:16 |
| MinceR | it is | Mar 04 01:16 |
| MinceR | but you can see their agenda pretty clearly | Mar 04 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | preserving it should not be tolerated | Mar 04 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | storm the fucking thing and tear it apart before they can disperse you | Mar 04 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | don't give them a choice | Mar 04 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: jono By the way here's an interview with one of the Ubuntu ops http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1988 | Mar 04 01:17 |
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| MinceR | they effect censorship on talk about the holocaust but protect a monument that calls the russian occupation "liberation" | Mar 04 01:17 |
| MinceR | and they go around calling themselves democrats | Mar 04 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I noticed the Communists anywhere never invade or mass murder | Mar 04 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's always "liberate" | Mar 04 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | liberate them from the way of life they previously enjoyed? | Mar 04 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | liberate them from their life? | Mar 04 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: oh you are in here, go on the above link I guess | Mar 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | liberate them from the previous oppressors... only to take over | Mar 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Democrats liberate them from the Democrats | Mar 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Democrats liberate them from the Democrats | Mar 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | jono, That's terribly unprofessional and unsporting | Mar 04 01:19 |
| MinceR | they say the Democrats liberated us from the Nazis | Mar 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Democrats liberate them from the Rpublicans | Mar 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | you do know that? | Mar 04 01:19 |
| jono | DaemonFC, what is? | Mar 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Republicans liberate them from the Democrats | Mar 04 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Love choice | Mar 04 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | jono, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1988 | Mar 04 01:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Interview With Melissa | The Fridge .::. Size~: 12.48 KB | Mar 04 01:20 |
| MinceR | one dictatorship after the other, with different logos | Mar 04 01:20 |
| jono | DaemonFC, what about it | Mar 04 01:20 |
| MinceR | and different affiliations | Mar 04 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Blackwater liberated Iraq from Saddam | Mar 04 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | jono, Just poor taste is all. Those CDs could have helped people. | Mar 04 01:20 |
| jono | DaemonFC, lol, I didnt do it | Mar 04 01:21 |
| jono | :) | Mar 04 01:21 |
| schestowitz | It looks like they are eaten, DaemonFC | Mar 04 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: CD's???? | Mar 04 01:21 |
| bruce89 | I think it's called sarcasm | Mar 04 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | friendly competition, jono | Mar 04 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 01:21 |
| jono | :) | Mar 04 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | FRIENDLY | Mar 04 01:21 |
| bruce89 | or something along those lines | Mar 04 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | means don't steal :P | Mar 04 01:21 |
| jono | DaemonFC, appreciate the advice | Mar 04 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | ceiling cat is watching you | Mar 04 01:21 |
| jono | lol | Mar 04 01:21 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu" means "CD-ROMs for others" | Mar 04 01:22 |
| MinceR | what's with the stealing CDs? | Mar 04 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: remember that roved guy? | Mar 04 01:22 |
| bruce89 | no | Mar 04 01:22 |
| MinceR | the article doesn't say anything about it | Mar 04 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well anyway he has meet elky/melissa at the Sydney Lug a few times, and he said he took the photo in the thing I linked to | Mar 04 01:22 |
| bruce89 | I see | Mar 04 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Have you read that lolcat bible? | Mar 04 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually kind of funny | Mar 04 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: so I guess he has mett her more than a few times | Mar 04 01:24 |
| bruce89 | DaemonFC: "At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz. (Genesis 1, 3)" and so on? | Mar 04 01:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Mar 04 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, Leviticus chapter 18 | Mar 04 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so I wasn't following, why exactly don't you like that link | Mar 04 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 04 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | read that and lol | Mar 04 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Snatching Fedora CDs | Mar 04 01:25 |
| schestowitz | take your lol and shove it up your cat | Mar 04 01:25 |
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| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Leviticus_18 | Mar 04 01:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Leviticus 18 - LOLCat Bible Translation Project .::. Size~: 21.74 KB | Mar 04 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: snatching Fedora CD's what? also now your linking to some sort of werid page or something, why? | Mar 04 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | Leviticus 18 | Mar 04 01:26 |
| MinceR | lol, "beej" | Mar 04 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | hilarious either way, but moreso in lolcat | Mar 04 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR agrees I think :) | Mar 04 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | 16 No can has teh secks wif ur broes hoes. Dats ur bro d00d! | Mar 04 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | yhwh seemed to be kind of obsessed with repeating his title | Mar 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | even in the original | Mar 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | confidence issues? | Mar 04 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | huh? | Mar 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | "i am the lord" over and over | Mar 04 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | oh right | Mar 04 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | all throughout the bible | Mar 04 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | 17 No can has gangbang wif grandma and granddawter. Has to big age difrns. Srsly. | Mar 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 01:28 |
| DaemonFC | 19 No can get ur harbl wetted when ur hoes has teh bluds in hur harbl. | Mar 04 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | funniest chapter in the lolcat bible | Mar 04 01:29 |
| MinceR | :D | Mar 04 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | 22 No can has ghey... srsly. srry, but no. | Mar 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | oh noez! | Mar 04 01:30 |
| MinceR | pwnt | Mar 04 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.thealphaninja.com/2010/03/novell-up-30-after-hours-on-buyout.html | Mar 04 01:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AlphaNinja: Novell up 30% after hours, on buyout offer from Elliott International (NOVL) .::. Size~: 84.63 KB | Mar 04 01:30 |
| DaemonFC | don't get why that makes them more valuable? | Mar 04 01:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Mar 04 01:31 |
| MinceR | because they expect Elliott to pay more than novell is worth | Mar 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | http://mac.blorge.com/2010/03/02/the-main-thing-is-not-to-install-flash-says-hacker-miller/ | Mar 04 01:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The main thing is not to install Flash, says hacker Miller - MAC.BLORGE .::. Size~: 39.29 KB | Mar 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Ellio^H^H^H^H^H^HSinger | Mar 04 01:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Since Elliot already owns 8.5% of Novell, a 30% increase is almost insider trading | Mar 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | You mean if they fake desire? | Mar 04 01:32 |
| MinceR | do you want to keep your mac secure? upgrade to gnu/linux. | Mar 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | They could have a mate do that | Mar 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | That's how it's done, Chips_B_Malroy | Mar 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | They put a mate in to reduce suspicion | Mar 04 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote from that link: " Shares of enterprise software concern Novell (NOVL) are trading up sharply after hours, after multi-strategy Elliott International put out an offer to acquire the entire company for $5.75 per share. Elliott will now reap an instant windfall from the shares they've recently purchased between 4.30 and 4.75 in recent months." | Mar 04 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Mar 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Then they make the announcement and have the friend dump | Mar 04 01:33 |
| bruce89 | one good thing to come of the whole iPhone thing is flash being not liked so much | Mar 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | The stock market is more corrupt than casinos | Mar 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Some people had to wait till the mltdown to realise | Mar 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | They put their whole savings/pensions/cash in there | Mar 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | And got robbed | Mar 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Banks then looted what's left in the form of deficit | Mar 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | I.e. the kids and grandkids will pat bankers tomorrow for what they pocket _today_ | Mar 04 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Mar 04 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Bonuses. Yay !! :-) | Mar 04 01:34 |
| MinceR | bruce89: isn't it balanced by lock-in and DRM being liked more? | Mar 04 01:34 |
| schestowitz | GS - 23 billion on bonuses this year | Mar 04 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Reward for bankrupting Greece? :-) | Mar 04 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Will Greece drag down the whole EU? | Mar 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | It's sad that the world's biggest criminals walk away free | Mar 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Some are even admired as national heroes | Mar 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Trump | Mar 04 01:35 |
| bruce89 | MinceR: of course | Mar 04 01:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Then there's Spain and Britian, neither one of them is in great shape either | Mar 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: well, we have to bail them out | Mar 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Some say that GS may have 'pulled a Greece' in the UK | Mar 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | But I never saw much evidence, yet | Mar 04 01:36 |
| bruce89 | Britain's currency doesn't help | Mar 04 01:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.hpcwire.com/features/Fixstars-Launches-Linux-for-CUDA-86044987.html | Mar 04 01:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HPCwire: Fixstars Launches Linux for CUDA .::. Size~: 97.91 KB | Mar 04 01:36 |
| schestowitz | I have a quick question | Mar 04 01:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what is happening in Britian, is starting to happen here in the USA. In that the second round of layoffs are now starting to happen at the State level, California is of course first. | Mar 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Now that Singer wants to conquer Novell... | Mar 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Should we call for Singer's imprisonment? | Mar 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | And at least exposed his crimes against socity? | Mar 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Like we did Monsanto? | Mar 04 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Or would that be a distraction? | Mar 04 01:38 |
| cubezzz | what bad stuff did Trump do? | Mar 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Google it | Mar 04 01:38 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Also Buffet | Mar 04 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Califnoria is a bunch of money wasting uber-liberals | Mar 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | The rich people have a great crime behind their great wealth | Mar 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise they don't get their | Mar 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | *there | Mar 04 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | they could tax 100% and not balance the budget | Mar 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | *Buffett | Mar 04 01:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its obvious that Icahn was a Ballmer/Gates puppet. Question is, is Singer? | Mar 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.financierworldwide.com/article.php?id=6286 | Mar 04 01:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Elliott offers $2bn to buy Novell .::. Size~: 21.77 KB | Mar 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Check out publication name | Mar 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | That word make me hurl | Mar 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Icahn spoke to them | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | CNET reported it | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Leaves little room for questions | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | BN has an overview for the whole thing | Mar 04 01:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Singer would not have a problem using Novell to sue others, like SCO is doing. But then, it could be he just will cut it back, and run the profitable part. | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | But for the media, it's a quiet coup and story they won't tell | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Crime makes IT too go round sometimes | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | See SCO case foir details | Mar 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Almost 7 years now | Mar 04 01:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | obsence amount of time for a bankrupcy, 7 years SCO | Mar 04 01:41 |
| schestowitz | "New York based Elliott Associates manages more than $16 billion of capital for large institutional investors and wealthy individuals, and already holds 8.5 per cent stake in Waltham, Massachusetts-based Novell and has offered to acquire the remaining 91.5 per cent at a premium of 21 per cent over Novell's Tuesday closing price." | Mar 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.domain-b.com/infotech/itnews/20100303_elliott_associates.html | Mar 04 01:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: domain-b.com : Elliott Associates makes $2 billion unsolicited bid for Novell .::. Size~: 11.2 KB | Mar 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | It used to have about $5 a few years ago | Mar 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | It sure attracts a lot of interest | Mar 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Like another IV | Mar 04 01:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Horseplan ran it into the ground | Mar 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100301/0202228334.shtml http://www.law.com/jsp/PubArticle.jsp?id=1202444627585 | Mar 04 01:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intellectual Ventures Lending Its Patents To Members To Sue Others | Techdirt .::. Size~: 54.83 KB | Mar 04 01:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Law.com - Verizon Case Marks a First for Patent Holder .::. Size~: 14.29 KB | Mar 04 01:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Again a quote from the last link I posted: " It will be interesting to see what happens here. Elliott International has been a shareholder for literally days, something that won't exactly win them favor with management. The letter they shared today does not cite a commitment to finance this deal, and they are quite clear about this being a very "casual" buyout offer. I'm left to wonder if they're actually serious ab | Mar 04 01:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ampaign to draw attention to management's under-utilization of this company's profit potential. The best outcome for Elliott - in my view - is interest from other parties or a big new cost-cutting commitment from management." | Mar 04 01:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe Miguel needs to look eslewhere for a job | Mar 04 01:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cost cutting | Mar 04 01:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1594527/staff-cuts-ibm-alarm-union | Mar 04 02:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Staff cuts at ibm alarm union - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 57.45 KB | Mar 04 02:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/03/analysis-problems-with-enron-jury/ | Mar 04 02:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SCOTUSblog » Analysis: Problems with Enron jury .::. Size~: 36.59 KB | Mar 04 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I'm checking what PJ makes of it... | Mar 04 02:06 |
| schestowitz | In any case, I'll post tomorrow | Mar 04 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | Spanish police arrest masterminds of 'massive' botnet http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8547453.stm | Mar 04 02:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.94 KB | Mar 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | I've asked another person who's close to NOVL | Mar 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: they arrested Ballmer?? | Mar 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | They need to get to the root of the problem | Mar 04 02:07 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: What a coincidence. Just on the eve of trial in SCO v. Novell. Elliott says they own 8.5% of Novell's common stock.]" | Mar 04 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Same in the INQ | Mar 04 02:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1594559/elliott-novell-private | Mar 04 02:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Elliott wants to take novell private - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 54.98 KB | Mar 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | "JUST BEFORE the trial opens in the SCO v. Novell lawsuit, investment fund Elliott Associates has offered to buy Novell for $2 billion." | Mar 04 02:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, the timing is perfect | Mar 04 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: that article doesn't mention that it's Windows computers that get taken over, also the image they used, I think I seen that before in some other BBC botnet article | Mar 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | 'To do so, Mr. Singer is looking to to raise money from investors, the report said. Elliott could round up roughly $2 billion next year by inviting existing investors to commit more money, MarketWatch said, citing one investor who’s adding to positions and spoke on condition of anonymity.' | Mar 04 02:11 |
| schestowitz | http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/14/elliott-eyes-assets-in-distress-report-says/ | Mar 04 02:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Mar 04 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: however it seems that important companies as well as banks, have computers that have come part of the botnet, or did I read that wrong? | Mar 04 02:12 |
| schestowitz | '“Now the party is truly over,” Paul Singer, founder of the $16 billion hedge fund, wrote in a confidential letter to investors Oct. 15, obtained by MarketWatch. “The current economic and market environment resembles the one for which Elliott was formed.” ' | Mar 04 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: "It included PCs inside more than half of Fortune 1000 companies and more than 40 major banks, investigators said." | Mar 04 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Hedge fund giant Elliott ramps up in wake of credit 'party' | Mar 04 02:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hegde-fund-giant-elliott-ramps-up-after-credit-woe-2009-12-09?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Mar 04 02:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Giant Elliott ramps up after credit crisis - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 86.38 KB | Mar 04 02:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | would those 8.5% of the stocks that Elliot has, be voting shares? | Mar 04 02:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | would guess yes | Mar 04 02:13 |
| cubezzz | found some not-so-good info on Trump | Mar 04 02:14 |
| cubezzz | http://www.arystoteles.pl/nmf/acn-scam.php | Mar 04 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it's a joke really, computers out there that are meant to be important/special and since they run Windows, and I guess have people who don't know how to keep it secure enough after all, well those computers become part of a botnet | Mar 04 02:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Trump is small change | Mar 04 02:14 |
| cubezzz | he gets a lot of publicity though | Mar 04 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh if only most computer users knew, about botnets, and that they tend to be Windows computers the infected ones | Mar 04 02:15 |
| bruce89 | there would be lot more macs around in that case | Mar 04 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: Macs can become part of a botnet as well | Mar 04 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | I think that's happended before even | Mar 04 02:16 |
| bruce89 | anything theoretically can | Mar 04 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well yeah | Mar 04 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | except for really really basic OS's for example I guess | Mar 04 02:16 |
| bruce89 | although Atari STs are probably safe | Mar 04 02:17 |
| schestowitz | http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/hedge-funds-sue-porsche-for-1-billion-lost-on-vw/ | Mar 04 02:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Mar 04 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: Atari STs ??? | Mar 04 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: There would be much more Desktop Linux around, if all of a sudden most computer users, stopped being so ignorant. | Mar 04 02:18 |
| cubezzz | duh duh DUH | Mar 04 02:19 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Private? They want to take it private? So... would that mean all the dirt on Microsoft or whoever else is behind the SCO attack on Linux that likely surfaced in discovery in SCO v. Novell would disappear from the planet?] -" | Mar 04 02:20 |
| schestowitz | This is like organised crime AFAICT | Mar 04 02:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or someone else could use the Unix copyrites to sue IBM and Linux | Mar 04 02:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if Novell wins | Mar 04 02:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or sue MS | Mar 04 02:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but mostly the money behind this is probably MS money | Mar 04 02:21 |
| cubezzz | business isn't pretty | Mar 04 02:21 |
| cubezzz | it would be nice if everyone played fair | Mar 04 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sun/Oracle could also be in the crosshairs | Mar 04 02:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for open sourcing Solarous, and paying SCO to do it. | Mar 04 02:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Although, I think Sun would win that court case | Mar 04 02:23 |
| schestowitz | "Elliott began acquiring Novell stock on Jan. 4 and controls about 8.5 percent of the company. - AP on Google" | Mar 04 02:26 |
| schestowitz | bingo | Mar 04 02:26 |
| schestowitz | Cahn... | Mar 04 02:27 |
| schestowitz | For SCO | Mar 04 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Cohn for Elliot | Mar 04 02:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Suse needs to folk | Mar 04 02:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2010/tc20100228_486251.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories | Mar 04 02:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fighting a Flood of Counterfeit Tech Products - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 53.33 KB | Mar 04 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes | Mar 04 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Some read BN | Mar 04 02:31 |
| schestowitz | They'll get the message about Novell one day | Mar 04 02:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just checked my weight, it is 66.6 :D - beast of the evil | Mar 04 02:32 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Addresses for Elliot and Icahn are very close togeather on 5th Ave | Mar 04 02:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Elliot: 712 5th Ave Fl 36 Icahn Associates (Carl Icann): 767 Fifth Ave Suite 4700 | Mar 04 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: something about the buttons on the left in the new theme for 10.04 | Mar 04 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah they are trying to copy OS X a bit here and there it seems | Mar 04 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC hi ^^^^^ | Mar 04 02:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course, that could just be coinincedence | Mar 04 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | in another channel I got someone that wants me to give proper reasons for why the buttons should be on the right | Mar 04 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | telling them that it should be on the right since that's how Windows does it, doesn't seem to be enough for this person | Mar 04 02:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] My brother has been working on Linux/mac68k port. He just booted 2.6.31 on a IIfx - 20 year old machine. #linux #kernel #mac #m68k #geek | Mar 04 02:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hm, why can't I block 'protected' ppl? | Mar 04 02:37 | |
| bruce89 | both are equally valid, but right seems to be more normal | Mar 04 02:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @JesusChristHere @DesseMundo There's only 1 god Lord Jesus Christ He ws never caught lip-synching /gawd, what kind of twits have we here | Mar 04 02:41 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] just checked my weight it is 66.6 - weight of the evil :D | Mar 04 02:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] For those keeping score a #Mac IIfx does ~ 9.75 #BogoMips. An SE/030 does about 3.81 (friend tested in 2003). #linux #benchmarks | Mar 04 02:44 | |
| *jweyrich (~none@201-15-164-18.nhoce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #boycottnovell | Mar 04 02:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.prlog.org/10556630-novell-inc-investor-alert-offer-under-investigation.html | Mar 04 02:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell, Inc. Investor Alert: Offer under investigation .::. Size~: 32.99 KB | Mar 04 02:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33802.html | Mar 04 02:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Book: HP eyed Fiorina as dad ruled on case - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 60.95 KB | Mar 04 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Good catch, let's see if old Steve-o will work for free like he's asking the firefighters to." -Me on the mayor's proposals | Mar 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 04 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is still UBD (ugly by default): http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/ubuntu-dumps-the-brown-introduces-new-theme.ars | Mar 04 02:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu dumps the brown, introduces new theme and branding .::. Size~: 29.08 KB | Mar 04 02:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: steve-o from jackass? | Mar 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | our mayor's name is Steve and he is a jackass | Mar 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | Steve-o | Mar 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | hell, I'm an asshole but I'm not stupid, make me the mayor | Mar 04 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'll fix his bungling :P | Mar 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I was joking | Mar 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Do what steve-o did | Mar 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Plunk his eye blow | Mar 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | *eyebrows | Mar 04 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Like in that episode where he's hairless | Mar 04 02:52 |
| schestowitz | He looked an alien | Mar 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You figure this is a good setup though? Pointing out the mayor is drawing a salary while he asks firefighters to work free and fires cops? | Mar 04 02:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@shoq you're so cute when you're outraged #hcr | Mar 04 02:52 | |
| DaemonFC | if the firefighters are expected to work free, so should the mayor | Mar 04 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | if there's no money to pay emergency workers, there's no money to pay him | Mar 04 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to hit him with that at the next town meeting | Mar 04 02:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] But I can top the Mac IIfx running 2.6.31. That's only 20 years old. I have #VAX es 10 years older than that which can in theory boot #Linux | Mar 04 02:54 | |
| DaemonFC | "What about the Mayor? Why can't HE take a paycut? How much does he make? Why was he hiring his wife as "Executive Assistant" like this is frapping Chicago or something and he needed a secretary paid out of the town's treasury?" | Mar 04 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 04 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | trying to incite some popular anger | Mar 04 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just going to let loose on him there with a stream of this stuff | Mar 04 02:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, you can add Argentina to the list of Elloits victims http://blog.managingautomation.com/edge/2008/11/vulture-economics/ "Elliott has done this in strapped developing countries such as Peru, Argentina, and the Republic of Congo where local press reports have labeled the company a “vulture investor.”" | Mar 04 03:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Vulture Economics .::. Size~: 29.64 KB | Mar 04 03:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Server consolidation getting to be a hot topic. #Sun hardware and software does this *really* well. #sun #sparc #solaris #zfs #green #energy | Mar 04 03:04 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, here it is, the tie-in with Carl Icahn: "But, like other well-known hedge fund investors, Singer also likes to throw his weight around. Last year, along with hedge fund mogul Carl Icahn, Singer invested in troubled Motorola and, after an unsuccessful takeover bid, forced the resignation of CEO Ed Zander." | Mar 04 03:06 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: nice one | Mar 04 03:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer--Icahn--Singer | Mar 04 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DTjLG3usQo | Mar 04 03:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Worst Video Games Ever - ET .::. Size~: 122.22 KB | Mar 04 03:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The same bid, then reduce the bid ploy Singer uses that Ballmer also does | Mar 04 03:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lot of good material in that last link | Mar 04 03:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I fear a sale of Novell to Elliot is not a good thing for GNU/Linux | Mar 04 03:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Icahn and Singer both were on the Rudy Giuliani's national finance executive committee during the presidental election. Also big contributors. http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/04/romneys_straw_p.php | Mar 04 03:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Romney's Straw Poll Victories, Rudy's Finance Team, Edwards Outapces Clinton In WNY - Hotline On Call .::. Size~: 38.05 KB | Mar 04 03:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another tie-in | Mar 04 03:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Ex-NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani unveiled his national finance executive committee today and a list of three dozen regional finance chairs. Bigger names include Carl Icahn, ex-VA Gov. candidate Jerry Kilgore, MD developer John C. Reith, ex-IL Gov candidate Ron Gidwitz, Nat'l Assoc. of Wholesaler-Distributors pres. Dirk Van Dongen and Paul Singer, general parter of Elliott Associates." | Mar 04 03:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its obvious these guys know each other, and seem to be in lock step | Mar 04 03:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wonder if Bill Senior has offices nearby too | Mar 04 03:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Good memories from old track, Mahadeva by Astral Projection. Wonder if they are gonna play close to norway in the future. Last was denmark. | Mar 04 03:19 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kot6JND1uQ&feature=related | Mar 04 03:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Worst Video Games Ever - Ring King .::. Size~: 115.86 KB | Mar 04 03:21 |
| *bruce89 has quit (Quit: What's this button do?) | Mar 04 03:33 | |
| Ender2070 | haha | Mar 04 03:38 |
| Ender2070 | reiser4 owns | Mar 04 03:38 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Gates has about 300 offices, IIRC | Mar 04 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Look it up at Wikipedia | Mar 04 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Gaats Sr's firm also handles some of the SCO money | Mar 04 03:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Mar 04 03:52 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/03/systemrescuecd-1-4-out/ | Mar 04 03:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Links 3/3/2010: Orange for Linux, SystemRescueCd 1.4 Out | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 127.77 KB | Mar 04 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: schestowitz http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/my-thoughts-on-the-ubuntu-branding-refresh/ | Mar 04 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Ok, gn now | Mar 04 03:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My thoughts on the Ubuntu branding refresh « Benjamin Humphrey .::. Size~: 31.71 KB | Mar 04 03:52 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's fugly | Mar 04 03:53 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 04 03:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | gn | Mar 04 03:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: bye | Mar 04 03:53 |
| sebsebseb | bye | Mar 04 03:53 |
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| DaemonFC | some lefty designed this | Mar 04 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: left as in idiot? | Mar 04 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | lefty as in idiot? | Mar 04 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | left handed | Mar 04 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uhmm? | Mar 04 03:59 |
| sebsebseb | anyway that boot up, well I guess that will be better than it saying Kubuntu is loading up, since 9.10's default Xsplash Ubuntu theme was a joke | Mar 04 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | the window controls are on the wrong side | Mar 04 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | white Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen, pretty lame really | Mar 04 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | congratulations, it's British | Mar 04 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: no | Mar 04 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | it's like a Mac | Mar 04 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | that's how OS X does it | Mar 04 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | Mar 04 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | has those buttons on the left | Mar 04 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: read the link I just gave | Mar 04 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't finnished reading it yet, but good read that one | Mar 04 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as that default background, seems OS X like to me as well | Mar 04 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | I think I seen that kind of background, when I saw screen shots of Leopard | Mar 04 04:01 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: what happended there? | Mar 04 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | restart | Mar 04 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | jono will fix the window controls on the wrong side | Mar 04 04:06 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: no he won't | Mar 04 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | jono knows that 90% of the world will hate this because they are right handed | Mar 04 04:06 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: now your insulting left handed people it seems, and I am right handed by the way | Mar 04 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | besides, Apple usually has a patent on doing things backwards | Mar 04 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that humphreybc guy seems to think it's only for the default theme | Mar 04 04:07 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't think they realize that if I wanted a Mac I would buy a Mac | Mar 04 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as you would also know, if you read his blog entry | Mar 04 04:07 |
| sebsebseb | maybe you missed this, but | Mar 04 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I know you can change the theme | Mar 04 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | I basically put before that the default background seems OS X like | Mar 04 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | there needs to be a right handed version of the new Ubuntu theme | Mar 04 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | I think I seen something like it, when I looked at screenshots of Leopard or videos of Leopard | Mar 04 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | and it should be default | Mar 04 04:08 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: The good thing is that a lot of this recent stupidity from GNOME or Ubuntu/Canonical we can change ourself and put right. | Mar 04 04:09 |
| sebsebseb | GNOME and Ububuntu/GNOME no or | Mar 04 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | more of it's coming from Canonical | Mar 04 04:10 |
| sebsebseb | both of them have done things recently that have annoyed me | Mar 04 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu actually had a meeting where they accused Nautilus of having too many useful things | Mar 04 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | and mused on how to gut these useful things | Mar 04 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | so that idiots wouldn't be confused | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: read that blog entry I linked to | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | it mentions a program or whatever | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | that | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | does what your saying | Mar 04 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 04 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | see it | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so now Ubuntu are trying to compete against OS X hrm | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | and Apple | Mar 04 04:11 |
| sebsebseb | this theme stuff, but also the music store | Mar 04 04:12 |
| sebsebseb | OS X is from Apple, you know what I mean though, now they are trying to compete a bit more against Apple it seems | Mar 04 04:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: when Gnome 3 becomes default, well that will get rid of a lot of these Canonical GNOME changes I geuss | Mar 04 04:13 |
| sebsebseb | guess | Mar 04 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | not if they don't use Gnome Shell | Mar 04 04:13 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I thought that Gnome Shell thing is basically Gnome 3 | Mar 04 04:14 |
| sebsebseb | or that Gnome Shell is Gnome 3 | Mar 04 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | kind of | Mar 04 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's optional | Mar 04 04:14 |
| sebsebseb | hrm meaning what exactly? | Mar 04 04:14 |
| sebsebseb | they can have a Gnome 2 GUI on top of Gnome 3? | Mar 04 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | and Canonical is patching gnome shell too | Mar 04 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 04 04:14 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and they basically have thier own kernel for 10.04 as well, according to oiahom | Mar 04 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | since they done quite a lot of editing | Mar 04 04:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well at least all this, Ubuntu is getting better in certain ways, and worse in other ways stuff, gives us something to chat about on IRC | Mar 04 04:16 |
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| DaemonFC | after they fire all the cops we can all take turns playing the sheriff | Mar 04 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | it'll be just like deliverance | Mar 04 05:15 |
| *DaemonFC loves the teabaggers | Mar 04 05:15 | |
| DaemonFC | anarchists that don't know it | Mar 04 05:15 |
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| DaemonFC | that pizza was delicious | Mar 04 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | mmmmmm | Mar 04 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | little heavy on the garlic, but good | Mar 04 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, All Nautilus patches will stick | Mar 04 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | gnome shell still uses that for file management | Mar 04 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | problem with gnome shell mainly happens on high resolution displays | Mar 04 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | an area to click on is too small, navigation becomes awkward | Mar 04 05:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Project Eduvid Meeting cum Brain Storming at 7march 2010 2pm to 4pm http://post.ly/QgSC | Mar 04 06:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq Good night friends. Remember to unplug @sarahpalinUSA. Don't want any accidents overnight. // The death panels should solve this one | Mar 04 06:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RiahLahren You ever notice #polygamy is referring to only men. Women can't have multiple husbands. // word you want is "#polyandry" | Mar 04 06:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #nyt headline #fail. "Earthquake Exposes Fault Lines in Chilean Politics" -- some #puns just aren't worth making | Mar 04 06:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Brazil takes high road on #Iran, vs insane #US+#Israel hawks http://bit.ly/dyg3ig #war | Mar 04 06:52 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #stackoverflow i love you; you solve lot of my problems and doubts http://bit.ly/s5uxe | Mar 04 08:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #eSchool System Built on Top of #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/obpj | Mar 04 08:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Car Called "Linux" http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/03/turns-out-theres-a-linux-car-too/ | Mar 04 08:44 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Turns Out Theres A Linux Car Too | Gizmodo Australia .::. Size~: 29.49 KB | Mar 04 08:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] North #Korea Gets Own #GNU #Linux Distribution http://ur1.ca/obpq http://ur1.ca/obpr | Mar 04 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Computers from #Lenovo and #HP Fast-Boot #Linux http://ur1.ca/obpu http://ur1.ca/obpv | Mar 04 08:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BroadbandComputer Can be a "Huge Boost for he Cause of #Linux [Desktop] Computing" http://ur1.ca/obq3 http://ur1.ca/obq4 | Mar 04 08:49 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Meet the laptop for PC phobics!-Computing-Personal Tech-Indiatimes - Infotech .::. Size~: 30.31 KB | Mar 04 08:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Powerful Servers with #GNU #Linux Get a Booster http://ur1.ca/obq7 http://ur1.ca/obq8 http://ur1.ca/obq9 | Mar 04 08:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Intel and #Nvidia Improve Drivers for #Linux #Kernel Space http://ur1.ca/obqc http://ur1.ca/obqd | Mar 04 08:53 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intel readies Sandy Bridge Linux support | Software news | TechEye - All the technology news unfit for print .::. Size~: 14.43 KB | Mar 04 08:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases of #GNU #Linux : #SystemRescueCd 1.4, #TinyCore Linux 2.9 http://ur1.ca/obr0 http://ur1.ca/obr1 | Mar 04 09:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SystemRescueCd 1.4 released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33 KB | Mar 04 09:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Gets New Default Theme and Colours http://ur1.ca/o9jy I don't like it, TBH | Mar 04 09:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu dumps the brown, introduces new theme and branding .::. Size~: 29.09 KB | Mar 04 09:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Embedded #Linux Engineers Get More Tools, Training http://ur1.ca/obrc http://ur1.ca/obre | Mar 04 09:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ARM processors run native Linux and Android applications - 01/03/2010 - Electronics Weekly .::. Size~: 61.51 KB | Mar 04 09:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Netgear #NAS Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/obrg http://ur1.ca/obrh | Mar 04 09:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #iGala Runs #Linux http://www.i4u.com/article31273.html | Mar 04 09:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arium Releases #AELinux , Improvements Made to Linux Boot Time http://ur1.ca/obrx http://ur1.ca/obry | Mar 04 09:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Korenix JetOS95 is #Linux , #MontaVista Receives Honours http://ur1.ca/obrs http://ur1.ca/obrt | Mar 04 09:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Are Looking to Steal Thunder from Giants http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6210HQ20100302 http://ur1.ca/obst | Mar 04 09:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Telco software groups line up facing Google, Apple| Reuters .::. Size~: 56.12 KB | Mar 04 09:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux Tablet/Phone in Review, More Shops http://ur1.ca/obt3 http://ur1.ca/obt4 http://ur1.ca/obt6 | Mar 04 09:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Android #Linux Phones Put Pressure on Proprietary Rivals http://ur1.ca/obt9 http://ur1.ca/obta | Mar 04 09:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linpus #Linux Lite 1.3 Targets Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/obtb | Mar 04 09:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: CeBIT 2010: Linpus Linux Lite 1.3 for netbooks - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.88 KB | Mar 04 09:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SCALE 8x ( #Linux Expo) Coverage from LWN https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/376631/39fcedfa25279672/ | Mar 04 09:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government Data Bound to be Made More Freely Accessible (Open Access) http://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/3867876 | Mar 04 09:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FCC to Call for Government Data Overhaul - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 140.71 KB | Mar 04 09:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #IntellectualMonopolies Won't Work http://ur1.ca/obus http://ur1.ca/obut http://ur1.ca/obuu | Mar 04 09:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA So Outrageous That Politicians Too Are Angry http://ur1.ca/obuy http://ur1.ca/obuz http://ur1.ca/obv0. | Mar 04 09:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lambrinidis or how to stay credible when its outrageous « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 19.25 KB | Mar 04 09:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] LOL Ruud de Jonge (Officiële Microsoft Technical Evangelist) gets spanked by the readership of Webwereld (Dutch): http://tinyurl.com/ye5wuvc | Mar 04 10:00 | |
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| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/beaten-and-bloodied-real-agrees-to-settle-realdvd-fight.ars Bugger | Mar 04 10:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Beaten and bloodied, Real agrees to settle RealDVD fight .::. Size~: 28.15 KB | Mar 04 10:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DigitalEurope .org an Example of How #Microsoft Interests Take Over #EUCommission Web Sites http://ur1.ca/oc5h #education #lobby | Mar 04 10:34 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DigitalEurope.org an Example of How Microsoft Interests Take Over EU Commission Web Sites | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 81.7 KB | Mar 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: mafiaa usually wins | Mar 04 10:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Criticised for Trying to Tax #UNIX and #Linux Users Over #Windows Zombies http://ur1.ca/oc6s #botnet | Mar 04 10:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Criticised for Trying to Tax UNIX and Linux Users Over Windows Zombies | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 83.97 KB | Mar 04 10:58 |
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| Ender2070 | reiser4 is killer | Mar 04 11:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thoughts and references about the notion that those who criticise troubles and ills are simply being “divisive” http://ur1.ca/ocaa | Mar 04 11:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Divisiveness | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 83.2 KB | Mar 04 11:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] aaaaarghh backup backup backup! Going to have to start bioshock 2 again. | Mar 04 11:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Do we need a new name to "Free Software"? Is it too confusing? Or maybe it is a good opportunity to remind people what freedom is? | Mar 04 11:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] We’ve Always Been Shameless About Stealing Great Ideas” –Steve Jobs, hypocrite who sues #Linux http://ur1.ca/occ2 #apple | Mar 04 11:54 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is Steve Jobs Motto “Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal”? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 84.54 KB | Mar 04 11:54 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] anyone having problems to start the Wifi on their G1? | Mar 04 11:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Intellectual Ventures is becoming an arms dealer in patent nuclear war: http://i5.be/ayN | Mar 04 11:59 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intellectual Ventures Lending Its Patents To Members To Sue Others | Techdirt .::. Size~: 58.8 KB | Mar 04 11:59 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I was just writing about it :-) | Mar 04 12:17 |
| schestowitz | I'll add your words............ | Mar 04 12:17 |
| oiaohm | http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-03-01/north-korea-cyber-weapon.html?fullstory | Mar 04 12:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: North Korea’s “secret cyber-weapon”: brand new Red Star OS - RT Top Stories .::. Size~: 59.7 KB | Mar 04 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Linux and wine are kinda turning up everywhere. | Mar 04 12:18 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://twitter.com/beranger_v4/statuses/9966029070 | Mar 04 12:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Béranger: The Cuban one is stagnant. ... .::. Size~: 10.35 KB | Mar 04 12:18 |
| schestowitz | "The Cuban one is stagnant. RT @schestowitz: North Korea Gets Own #Linux Distribution http://ur1.ca/obpq http://ur1.ca/obpr " | Mar 04 12:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: North Korea’s “secret cyber-weapon”: brand new Red Star OS - RT Top Stories .::. Size~: 59.67 KB | Mar 04 12:18 |
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| oiaohm | The full review link I posted at rt.com is a good read. schestowitz | Mar 04 12:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Patent Racketeer #IntellectualVentures a Weapons Feeder of #Patent Wars http://ur1.ca/ocf7 #ricoact #crime #uspto | Mar 04 12:25 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Steve Jobs, do you see the irony here? http://techdusts.com/2010/03/04/apple-htc/. | Mar 04 13:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Council of Ministers continues to negotiate ACTA behind closed doors, please file an access to documents request: http://i5.be/ayS | Mar 04 13:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Apple is a public danger that use software patents to suppress competition: http://i5.be/ayT | Mar 04 13:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Journal de patrick_g: Apple attaque HTC sur les brevets .::. Size~: 137.45 KB | Mar 04 13:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European and European Union Patents Court, a somewhat uninspired label abbreviated as the troglodyte-sounding acronym EEUPC http://i5.be/ayU | Mar 04 13:51 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I am really happy to see the next shipment of books which i ordered in @flipkartdotcom #happy #happy Time to read | Mar 04 13:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Apple makes war with silly broad patents: http://i5.be/ayV | Mar 04 14:01 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: §vt immaterial boy: Apple makes war with silly broad patents. .::. Size~: 75.1 KB | Mar 04 14:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: did you see the video I posted? | Mar 04 14:03 |
| zoobab | which one? | Mar 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I also made one of IV, not just Apple | Mar 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/04/iv-silently-extorting-companies/ | Mar 04 14:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsofts Patent Racketeer Intellectual Ventures a Weapons Feeder of Patent Wars | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 84.89 KB | Mar 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/04/shameless-about-stealing-great-ideas/ | Mar 04 14:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is Steve Jobs Motto “Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal”? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 84.54 KB | Mar 04 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Spread the video, it's great! | Mar 04 14:04 |
| zoobab | the weapon dealer is a quote from the Techdirt article | Mar 04 14:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firm Behind #Novell Bid Has Shady Past, Could be Tied to #Microsoft (Paul E. Singer’s ‘Vulture Fund’) http://ur1.ca/ocs1 | Mar 04 14:22 | |
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| schestowitz | This one took ages to do. | Mar 04 14:24 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: oh | Mar 04 14:24 |
| zoobab | mayhbe you can correct | Mar 04 14:25 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 04 14:25 |
| zoobab | boycottapple.org and .net are free | Mar 04 14:30 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 04 14:31 |
| schestowitz | naaa... | Mar 04 14:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Back in 2000, Adobe sued Macromedia for violation of the tab patent: http://i5.be/ayW http://i5.be/ayX | Mar 04 14:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] HOT: Jeroen Baten heeft me gisteren gevraagd voor een project als Ubuntu steunpunt by Ronald McDonalds house in Houtem (Zuid Limburg) | Mar 04 14:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Like any entrenched system with powerful entities who seek to maintain the status quo, we’re likely stuck with it: http://i5.be/ayZ | Mar 04 14:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Enforcing patents isn't a good long-term play: it's the beginning of the end of the creative Apple we both love: http://i5.be/ay0 | Mar 04 14:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Kan best zijn dat het niks voor stelt, maar alleen het gegeven dat Jeroen contact met me heeft opgenomen en de erkenning. | Mar 04 15:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Down for the Count http://poopbear.deviantart.com/art/Down-for-the-Count-153668816 | Mar 04 15:06 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | FUCK YES | Mar 04 15:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Had lot plans for this weekend , shopping , Fixing ArpON for fedora, wanted to code - seems like people will screw up my weekend :| | Mar 04 15:07 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Down for the Count http://ur1.ca/ocwp #awesome | Mar 04 15:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @DavidCornDC Challenging Rove's claim that Bush did not lie nation into #war http://bit.ly/bjf79c // once started lying - they can't stop | Mar 04 15:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @gsiemens #US decides who can board Canadian flights,even if not landing in US. Can #Canada screen theirs? http://bit.ly/dzVs1f #paranoia | Mar 04 15:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @joemihevc residents converting lawns to growing food-Hillcrest Dr http://bit.ly/bUurER / that's my 'hood! #food #sustainability #toronto | Mar 04 15:56 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Steve jobs personal app [screen shot] http://i.imgur.com/pqCqR.png #swpat via reddit | Mar 04 16:22 | |
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| MinceR | :D | Mar 04 16:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "anyone who owns Chinese phone &rails against #Opera Mini hasn’t considered the issue enough" http://advogato.org/person/etbe/diary/728.html | Mar 04 16:26 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] A dad's advice on women and maintaining a job : http://tinyurl.com/ydhbsbc "date women when they are in 20's" | Mar 04 16:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] David Planella is about to show you how to hot rod your app for translations - http://is.gd/9ssdK #ubuntu #uodw | Mar 04 17:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Torn. Got new Aubergine wallpaper in #ubuntu lucid, but love the space ones too.. | Mar 04 17:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @deathboyuk: Anti-Gay Sen. Arrested on DUI After Leaving Gay Nightclub http://url.ie/5999 Whoops! I just fell on these dicks, officer! | Mar 04 17:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Join me for my Python Snippets IRC session in 5mins in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat - http://bit.ly/cT7lca | Mar 04 18:01 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: any impact for Adobe? | Mar 04 18:04 |
| schestowitz | They still oppose swpats | Mar 04 18:04 |
| MinceR | do they? | Mar 04 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Statements | Mar 04 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Outdated | Mar 04 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.jamesshuggins.com/h/tek1/software_patent_adobe.htm | Mar 04 18:18 |
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| MinceR | "creative Apple"? | Mar 04 18:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 04 18:20 |
| MinceR | lc | Mar 04 18:20 |
| MinceR | disregard "lc" | Mar 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the vid? | Mar 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Of J0bs? | Mar 04 18:21 |
| MinceR | nope | Mar 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | See BN front page | Mar 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | There's ogg | Mar 04 18:21 |
| MinceR | there's nothing creative about crApple stealing ideas and implementing them in a crappy way | Mar 04 18:23 |
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| MinceR | btw, dmix is dead on my system | Mar 04 18:24 |
| MinceR | it's pissing me off | Mar 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... Ubuntu works a lot with Amazon now too... http://www.starryhope.com/linux/2010/ubuntu-desktop-in-the-cloud/ | Mar 04 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | Linux tax by proxy | Mar 04 18:30 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 04 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | Mar 04 18:35 | |
| MinceR | Mar 04 18:35 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Mar 04 18:35 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: ? | Mar 04 18:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is the story of how I failed to get a University degree http://is.gd/9GZRa | Mar 04 18:35 | |
| sebsebseb | Mar 04 18:35 | |
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| schestowitz | The new logo is no better than the old one: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/03/refreshing-the-ubuntu-brand/ | Mar 04 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | There are many better themes they can find too.. don't know about universality and colour blindness | Mar 04 18:40 |
| MinceR | i prefer the new logo to the old one | Mar 04 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | This thing parrots Microsoft lies... Linpus Linux Lite operating systems for netbooks updated < http://www.liliputing.com/2010/03/linpus-linux-lite-operating- systems-for-netbooks-updated.html > | Mar 04 18:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy, nice post on Elliot, btw | Mar 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | It's sad when lies are seen as truth in people's minds | Mar 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: thanks | Mar 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: more from SJVN | Mar 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15688/elliot_associates_worrisome_novell_plans | Mar 04 18:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I read that link | Mar 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "I wish I could agree with him, but I looked at Elliot Associates' past history of taking "an activist approach to investing, frequently amassing significant but minority stakes in distressed or under performing companies and attempting to foment change," and I don't like what I see." | Mar 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "Elliot Associates is best known as a 'vulture fund.' They don't make investments to turn companies around. They make investments to crush the cash out of them and then leave the picked over bones for someone else to pick up." | Mar 04 18:54 |
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| *MinceR is front | Mar 04 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3868066/Senate-Leader-Blasts-Tech-Industry-Plans-Net-Freedom-Law.htm | Mar 04 18:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, since the source of Elliot's funding is private, we really don't know who is behind it, do we? | Mar 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR is a front for anarchists | Mar 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | He made a call for investors | Mar 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Publicly | Mar 04 18:55 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Mar 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: joke | Mar 04 18:55 |
| MinceR | i know | Mar 04 18:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But for the moment, lets pretend that Singer is just a corporate raider, and no MS money behind them | Mar 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "MinceR is a front" | Mar 04 18:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | always suspected that MinceR was a front, lol | Mar 04 18:56 |
| MinceR | there was no "a" :> | Mar 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: MinceR is Singer's cousin | Mar 04 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Singer acquires Novell for 1.8 billion, the causal bid, and Novell has 991 million is cash, Singer is only paying 809 million actually | Mar 04 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Singer has lowballed the bid, in hope another company will come in and bid more, so that drives up the price of the 8.5% that Elliot already has, profit, short term, mission accomplished. | Mar 04 18:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But if that dosen't happen, and Novell will surely reject the bid, wait for some minor setback in the SCO case, or the next quarterly results from Novell, something bad, and then, true to form, Elliot will reoffer at a lower bid. | Mar 04 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that is Singer's modus operandi | Mar 04 19:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | by doing this, he causes the stock to tank, so he can buy more cheaply | Mar 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Some years ago, Mac Asay interviewed /, (Malda) | Mar 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Now this: http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical | Mar 04 19:02 |
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| MinceR | their stance on KDE is bullshit | Mar 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Icahn too | Mar 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They have one, MinceR? | Mar 04 19:03 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: mac asay did answer a few KDE-related questions | Mar 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to put the moneky head on KDE | Mar 04 19:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what Singer will do to Novell, should it buy it. He will get rid of almost all top management, and most of middle management. Stop all R&R mostly. Stop and or sell any parts of the company not profitable. | Mar 04 19:04 |
| MinceR | mono shouldn't be an objective | Mar 04 19:04 |
| MinceR | especially on the DE where nobody's pushing it in the first place | Mar 04 19:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and transferr the 991 million to Elliot first | Mar 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Elliot does not exist | Mar 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | It seems like a made up name | Mar 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Let's call it what it is | Mar 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Singer | Mar 04 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Singer founded it, Singer manages (runs) it | Mar 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I'll set up a company called "Bob" :-) | Mar 04 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and most likely only Singer knows who funds it | Mar 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | BOB = big old bastard | Mar 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah | Mar 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I chatted about it with some friends at the gym | Mar 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | It seems like a typical shell game | Mar 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Should be illegal, but it's not | Mar 04 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I could be wrong, what assets does Novell have that we have not looked at? | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | People who know the law exploit it | Mar 04 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Lets see, Suse, Netware/Groupware, the possibity of the Unix rights, oh, and the lawsuit with MS over Wordperfect. | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nwinnovation.com/story/0027225.html | Mar 04 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | Oh dear | Mar 04 19:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Novell could have a future under different leadership as a patent troll | Mar 04 19:08 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The Wordperfect lawsuit could be worth a lot | Mar 04 19:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | might be cheaper for MS to buy Novell than to lose in court on that one | Mar 04 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 809 million to buy, as opposed to what the court might decide on the Wordperfect trial | Mar 04 19:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS or one of its minions, surely has to be interested in Novell | Mar 04 19:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Suse was great in its day, but GNU/Linux will continue without it, if need be | Mar 04 19:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't see IBM really wanting to buy Novell. Red Hat, or a merger with Red Hat, yes, I could see IBM doing that. | Mar 04 19:17 |
| MinceR | i'm not aware of any day in which suse was great :> | Mar 04 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Neither do I see Google or Apple wanting Novell | Mar 04 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | HP is a possiblity | Mar 04 19:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or Lenveno | Mar 04 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> before Novell took over Suse, they were good | Mar 04 19:18 |
| MinceR | what would lenovo do with novell? | Mar 04 19:18 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: here they had a bad reputation even before that | Mar 04 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Suse, is all I could see that Lenveno would be interested in | Mar 04 19:19 |
| MinceR | i thought they hated gnu/linux with a passion | Mar 04 19:20 |
| MinceR | FUDding it furiously | Mar 04 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | OEM's in general might be interested in server Suse. The problem is they would fear retaliation from MS if they bought Novell/Suse | Mar 04 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But HP might be big enough not to | Mar 04 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe that Lenveno was one of the OEM's that sold Suse on corporate computers in bulk preinstalled, just not for the public. | Mar 04 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but that may have changed, since lenveno was infested with former MS managers | Mar 04 19:23 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2010/03/ubuntu-gets-new-look-what-mess.html | Mar 04 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2010/03/ubuntus-new-look-pale-imitation-of-mac.html | Mar 04 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2010/03/ubuntu-one-music-store-is-over.html | Mar 04 19:25 |
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| schestowitz | [19:13] <Chips_B_Malroy> Suse was great in its day, but GNU/Linux will continue without it, if need be | Mar 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe SAP will buy it | Mar 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Like Oracle | Mar 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They use Linux | Mar 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | SUSE at SAP | Mar 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pals | Mar 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Mar 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | There's too much otger overlap w/ Microsoft | Mar 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They could buy just the Linux part | Mar 04 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | can OpenSuse function on its own, if Novell Suse goes away? | Mar 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Penguin Pete: http://linuxgazette.net/172/doomed.html | Mar 04 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: maybe | Mar 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | They hardly made money before IBM helped Novell buy them | Mar 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, they could not run anymore | Mar 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva still goes on | Mar 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:17] <Chips_B_Malroy> HP is a possiblity | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <Chips_B_Malroy> or Lenveno | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | OEMs won't but Linus | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Not even Intel | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | It can roll out its own | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | HP already has Mi | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Lenovo has that fast-boot thing | Mar 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary, in-house | Mar 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | [19:20] <Chips_B_Malroy> OEM's in general might be interested in server Suse. The problem is they would fear retaliation from MS if they bought Novell/Suse | Mar 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | They don't have reason to develop it themselves | Mar 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Their rival OEMs get the same code | Mar 04 19:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This is true, but | Mar 04 19:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as MS continues to bleed destop share slowly, the OEM's might be thinking, that it would be nice to have their own distro, if the community did almost all the work. | Mar 04 19:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a distro that would support all the hardware of the OEM | Mar 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20100304051547830 | Mar 04 19:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | it could be used as a tool to get cheaper OEM windows prices from MS as example, | Mar 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: margins too | Mar 04 19:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] A Brand Refresh for OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org/trademark/brandrefresh.html #OOOo | Mar 04 19:33 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | but I doubt, any OEM but HP will do it | Mar 04 19:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Lenveno is a long shot | Mar 04 19:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Acer, Dell? | Mar 04 19:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] “We’ve Always Been Shameless About Stealing Great Ideas” –Steve Jobs | Mar 04 19:35 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So Jobs is showing his true colors now. | Mar 04 19:36 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, actually that quote dates all the way back to 1996. | Mar 04 19:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the Apple easy win against Pystar has fueled this companies arrogance to sue others. | Mar 04 19:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87> I was referring to the lawsuits with Droid | Mar 04 19:37 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, yep. | Mar 04 19:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no good could come from the Apple victory over Pystar | Mar 04 19:38 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, Steve Ballmer, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Ron Hovsepian... etc. | Mar 04 19:38 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, all these people are merely multiple faces of the same coin. | Mar 04 19:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as in, meet the new boss, same as the old boss? | Mar 04 19:40 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, exactly. | Mar 04 19:40 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, different names, different looks, but the core is exactly the same. | Mar 04 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Actuatly, Horseplan, is just not very good. Guess the same could be said of Fe$ter too. | Mar 04 19:40 |
| Omar87 | It's all about loot and power for these people. | Mar 04 19:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Horseplan is just there for the bonuses | Mar 04 19:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | to milk the dieing cow | Mar 04 19:42 |
| Omar87 | Actually, I think he's only there in order to be milked himself. | Mar 04 19:42 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Singer is interesting sort, he makes money, either way the sale goes. | Mar 04 19:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | except when he tried to take over volkswagen and porche beat him to it, and he lost money on that one. So he sues Porche for what he basically does himself. | Mar 04 19:45 |
| Ender2070 | ubuntu noobed up gnome | Mar 04 19:46 |
| Ender2070 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand | Mar 04 19:46 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Think he lost a billion on that at least. | Mar 04 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a gambler he is | Mar 04 19:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but one that plays the odds | Mar 04 19:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | who lost what? | Mar 04 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Singer | Mar 04 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | on what? | Mar 04 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Volkswagen | Mar 04 19:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wait, during the big run? | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | hahahahaha | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | vw got rolled so bad | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was fucking epic | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe the best move on a stock market ever | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | read Roy's article on the stories page Diablo | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | ugh, but then I have to, like, look for it | Mar 04 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its an interesting read for sure. | Mar 04 20:02 |
| *schestowitz does post on MSFT and Apple extortion vs Linux... brb | Mar 04 20:10 | |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Mar 04 20:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wanna start a hardware company | Mar 04 20:10 |
| schestowitz | hardcore company would kick serious ass | Mar 04 20:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, by the way, when Jobs said: "It comes down to trying to expose yourself to the best things that humans have done, and then trying to bring those thing into what you're doing.", he accidentally described one of the main aspects of Free Software. | Mar 04 20:13 |
| Omar87 | Or Intellectual Freedom, in general. | Mar 04 20:14 |
| Omar87 | Such a filthy hypocrite.. | Mar 04 20:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs only uses the words, he is all about greed | Mar 04 20:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87: or hell, anything Jesus stood for | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | silly Christians and their silly belief in things Jesus never supported | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, excuse me? | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Jesus, if he were alive today, would be running Linux. | Mar 04 20:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | He'd be up, voting against Bush, running Linux, hating Apple and Microsoft, and supporting freedom in third world countries | Mar 04 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Jesus got killed 2000 years ago because he stuck it to The Man | Mar 04 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | he was against the Establishment | Mar 04 20:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | he raged against the machine | Mar 04 20:16 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, true. Except that.. Jesus, according to my belief, was never really crucified at all. | Mar 04 20:17 |
| Omar87 | Peace be upon him. | Mar 04 20:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87: well, he may or may not have | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | but The Man feared him | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | in his day, it was the jewish elders | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Omar87 | The Man? | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | in our day, its microsoft | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87: The Man. The government. The rich corrupted people. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, Exactly. I totally agree. | Mar 04 20:18 |
| Omar87 | Diablo-D3, they were the same ones who tried multiple time to kill Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). | Mar 04 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, he raged against the machine too | Mar 04 20:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it was an uphill battle | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | complete with mountain climbing gear | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | clearly, us free software people already have a 2000 year old battle plan to work for | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | step 1) be fucking awesome | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Omar87 | They are the same people who killed Luther King and Malcolm X. | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | step 2) get noticed by evil people | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | step 3) ???? | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | step 4) die, no profiting here. | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | :< | Mar 04 20:20 |
| Omar87 | And Ghandi. | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | exactly | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, is RMS next? | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes all upitty and shit | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | <rms> let my people^Wcode go! | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Omar87 | They want everything for themselves and nothing for anyone else. | Mar 04 20:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | Omar87: and you know what | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not even profitable! | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Omar87 | No, it's not. | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | fucking people over has never been, in the long term, profitable | Mar 04 20:22 |
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| Diablo-D3 | in the short term? hell yes] | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | without a doubt | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | but if your investment plans are short term, you're a fucking moron | Mar 04 20:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and we need less retarded people | Mar 04 20:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@arkadyrose just goatsed a hotlinker. It's the little things, y'know. | Mar 04 20:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Such a perrrrfect day here in #Toronto! Go out, enjoy the sun, fresh air and one of the great cafes in your neighbourhood! #spring | Mar 04 20:23 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin | Mar 04 20:24 |
| Omar87 | In the long term, they're going to die like everyone else, and all they evil doing will follow to the grave and will be stone that will pull them down to hell hell. | Mar 04 20:24 |
| Omar87 | doings* | Mar 04 20:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe Gates believes his own PR about the foundation? That he is doing good? Or maybe Gates does not believe in an afterlife, and punishment for the bad things he has done. | Mar 04 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think its the latter | Mar 04 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates just doesn't believe | Mar 04 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | same with others, prehaps Jobs even | Mar 04 20:29 |
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| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, money makes them blind. | Mar 04 20:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87> a personal question, you don't have to anwser if you don't want, would you be Sunni? | Mar 04 20:33 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, yes. I am. | Mar 04 20:33 |
| Omar87 | I'm a sunni Muslim, yes. | Mar 04 20:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was just a curiousity thing, is why I ask | Mar 04 20:34 |
| Omar87 | That's ok. :-) | Mar 04 20:34 |
| _goblin | hello all | Mar 04 20:35 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, hey! | Mar 04 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hey Goblin | Mar 04 20:36 |
| _goblin | :) | Mar 04 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | did u check you email Goblin? | Mar 04 20:37 |
| _goblin | yes! I replied! | Mar 04 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, so its me that need to check | Mar 04 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I was just wondering what our old friend was up to | Mar 04 20:37 |
| _goblin | yeah.......I think I replied just after you sent it! | Mar 04 20:38 |
| _goblin | made a rather humorous reply.......about Michael Jackson, Andre and Windows | Mar 04 20:38 |
| _goblin | I thought it was humorous.....made it with very little sleep. | Mar 04 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87> I have known some interesting people. One from Iraq, a member of the long forgotten Asyrian Christian Church | Mar 04 20:39 |
| Omar87 | I see. | Mar 04 20:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The history of religions greatly interests me | Mar 04 20:40 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Why should Microsoft buy itself again?" | Mar 04 20:41 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Novell was already bought by MSFT some years ago, wasn't? ;-)" | Mar 04 20:41 |
| schestowitz | "@floschi what do you mean?" | Mar 04 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I have to say, all the Muslums that I have meant personally here, have been good people. | Mar 04 20:42 |
| Omar87 | Glad to hear that. :) | Mar 04 20:44 |
| Omar87 | Chips_B_Malroy, that was for you. | Mar 04 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> I know it wasn't worth much, but thought I would pass it on, as in a leopard cannot change its spots. With Andre, it just shows a deeper connection to M$. | Mar 04 20:44 |
| schestowitz | [20:27] <Chips_B_Malroy> maybe Gates believes his own PR about the foundation? That he is doing good? Or maybe Gates does not believe in an afterlife, and punishment for the bad things he has done. | Mar 04 20:44 |
| schestowitz | No, he's an atheist | Mar 04 20:45 |
| MinceR | he worships money | Mar 04 20:45 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame he's one of those who dehumanise based on it, like Stalin | Mar 04 20:45 |
| schestowitz | And Lenin | Mar 04 20:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Roy, that was the same point I made in different words. | Mar 04 20:45 |
| tessier | Success, more than money I would guess | Mar 04 20:45 |
| schestowitz | identica has twitter-passing lag today | Mar 04 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Or error | Mar 04 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I am not overly religous myself, but I do believe that Religion is the basis for the moral codes that most people live by. Whatever religion. Gates has none, and probably got none during his growing up years. Unlikely he got any moral code much from Gates Senior either. What he did learn from his father is how to win in court, or how to work the system. | Mar 04 20:47 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, really? But last time I checked he was a Christian? | Mar 04 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates: "Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning." | Mar 04 20:51 |
| ThistleWeb | in the US, it's profitable to be seen as a Cristian | Mar 04 20:52 |
| ThistleWeb | it's just a badge to a community you can manipulate and exploit | Mar 04 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Mar 04 20:52 |
| ThistleWeb | as long as you go through the motions every now and again | Mar 04 20:52 |
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| MinceR | moral codes work better when not based on religion | Mar 04 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | many countries have a similar exploitable situation | Mar 04 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87> I don't know about your religion, but here, Gates, people like him, are going go to funerals, weddings, etc. Which will be held in Churches. | Mar 04 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: he's not, AFAIK | Mar 04 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Not that it matters much | Mar 04 20:54 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, true. | Mar 04 20:54 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, he's not a man of science either. He's a lawyer/business. | Mar 04 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Ventures/money | Mar 04 20:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Omar87> Gates has no moral upbringing. He does not know, or care right from wrong | Mar 04 20:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, actually, he's more like a fraud/criminal. | Mar 04 20:55 |
| schestowitz | People mistake his for a coder, which he never was. When he tried, he was bad at it | Mar 04 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: from memory... | Mar 04 20:55 |
| schestowitz | This is not verified... | Mar 04 20:55 |
| schestowitz | But I once learned that he would yell at him mom | Mar 04 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Angry teen who's arrogant | Mar 04 20:55 |
| ThistleWeb | the US has been moulded to think they can be one of the super rich, it's an aspiration that will never happen.....like "investing" in the lottery | Mar 04 20:55 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what makes me sick is how he easily made the masses believe the lie that he created MS-DOS. | Mar 04 20:56 |
| schestowitz | His employer at MITS said so too (on the record, to a magazine) | Mar 04 20:56 |
| ThistleWeb | Gates is recognisable as super rich, and therefor someone to admire | Mar 04 20:56 |
| schestowitz | At that school he broke the machine to get "computer time" | Mar 04 20:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @EFF Doctorow: Lib Dems have proposed outlawing 'web lockers'. Have they never tried to send a large, private file? http://eff.org/r.1g6 | Mar 04 20:56 | |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not just him | Mar 04 20:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My Lords, you can't please the entertainment industry and sustain privacy |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 77.67 KB | Mar 04 20:56 |
| schestowitz | See those TV series.. like Trump | Mar 04 20:56 |
| schestowitz | They prescibe culture | Mar 04 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: exactly, he's just one of them | Mar 04 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Because the rich people run Hollywood | Mar 04 20:57 |
| schestowitz | 90210 :-) | Mar 04 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | the little peeps are convinced to let them away with it, as they want to be there one day | Mar 04 20:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Elliot deal, is not something I would put past what Gates or Gates Senior is capable of doing. | Mar 04 20:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they game the system | Mar 04 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | it baffles me why regular peeps vote against stuff like healthcare for all, but they do | Mar 04 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | go beyond the intent of the law and rely on technocolities | Mar 04 20:58 |
| ThistleWeb | the super rich have got the manipulation of the little peeps down to a fine art form | Mar 04 20:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] one would wish they did so ♺ @slashdot: Typical Windows User Patches Every 5 Days http://bit.ly/cOoj1K | Mar 04 21:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Typical Windows User Patches Every 5 Days .::. Size~: 54.98 KB | Mar 04 21:00 |
| *schestowitz gone for a bit | Mar 04 21:01 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb> "why people are against state medical in USA" its simple really, after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and Duck and Cover drills in the Schools, Comunism and Socialism were bad words here. | Mar 04 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | Chips_B_Malroy: yep, exactly my point....easily manipulated by the elite | Mar 04 21:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This guy is trying to win Doritos Viralocity to donate $250k to cancer research http://ur1.ca/odyl #awesome | Mar 04 21:02 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: the server copes OK without the proxy, except in rare occasions where it slows down. Thanks for running it. | Mar 04 21:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb> myself, I would support a public plan for medical, dental, eye, and burial. I would also be in favor of nationalizing ultility companies like power companies. And greatly in favor of having the Army corp of enginners build highways. | Mar 04 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | it's the emotional argument, pulling well planted levers to get the results you want | Mar 04 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also, I would support the gov to start any required insurance type companies like house, car, etc, get rid of the middlemen | Mar 04 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roman Armies built their own roads, that worked out well for a long time | Mar 04 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | no single system can work for everything | Mar 04 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ThistleWeb> not really, when you control the media | Mar 04 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Other than that, I would like to see the gov shrink in size mostly | Mar 04 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | it's all about the right balance......and a system designed for all, not just the few | Mar 04 21:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cut out the middlemen and their profits that leach off the middle class | Mar 04 21:09 |
| Ender2070_ | --funroll-loops | Mar 04 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Is this bollox? http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/03/1913246/Technical-Objections-To-the-Ogg-Container-Format http://hardwarebug.org/2010/03/03/ogg-objections/ the same could be done for other platform (accusationfest) | Mar 04 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | Mac Asay makes Ubuntu a cheap-looking Leopard Snot [sic]? http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/ubuntu-dumps-the-brown-introduces-new-theme.ars | Mar 04 21:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu dumps the brown, introduces new theme and branding .::. Size~: 29.32 KB | Mar 04 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They should choose something like Qt | Mar 04 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Plasma | Mar 04 21:19 |
| Ender2070_ | the new theme looks terrible | Mar 04 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Now, *that's* better than the Cult of Jobs' | Mar 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070_: also hard on the eyes | Mar 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Many people hate dark shades | Mar 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I like them, but many people don;'t | Mar 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I now use Oxygen | Mar 04 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @gbraad: !StatusNet 0.9.0 released http://status.net/2010/03/04/statusnet-0-9-0-released (via @evan) | Mar 04 21:20 | |
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| schestowitz | In KDE 3.1-3.5 I had almost pitch black for 5+ years | Mar 04 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/sog/4364217066/ | Mar 04 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | getting married soon | Mar 04 21:22 |
| schestowitz | He covers lots of Apple junk now, not Ubuntu | Mar 04 21:22 |
| schestowitz | he lots his way in some ways | Mar 04 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/02/19/open-source-bits-and-pieces/ | Mar 04 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Still focused on *buntu | Mar 04 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I think they pay him | Mar 04 21:23 |
| MinceR | Obsidian Coast ftw | Mar 04 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/blogs/connector/3376482/Open-source-software-under-attack | Mar 04 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: http://english.vovnews.vn/Home/First-opensource-company-starts-operation/20102/112960.vov | Mar 04 21:29 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: They are doomed. :( | Mar 04 21:29 |
| tessier | FOSS in vn is still a hard sell and PHP-Nuke? Ugh. | Mar 04 21:30 |
| schestowitz | proprietary EPiServer publicly smears FOSS: http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30779:site-for-sore-eyes&catid=143:industryinsight&Itemid=99 | Mar 04 21:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] This guy is trying to win Doritos Viralocity to donate $250k to cancer research http://bit.ly/delRBN #awesome | Mar 04 21:32 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier: no longer maintained | Mar 04 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I have two PHP-Nuke sites | Mar 04 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The GUI is not intuitive and needs many page refreshes | Mar 04 21:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you should link to this guy with that bit.ly link | Mar 04 21:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hes trying to take money from a large evil company, and do good with it | Mar 04 21:36 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,1000000097,40057433,00.htm | Mar 04 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | UK catches up with world+dog | Mar 04 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: off topic to BN | Mar 04 21:37 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,40054977,00.htm | Mar 04 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | 'Cloud cloud cloud' zzzzzzzzzzz | Mar 04 21:38 |
| MinceR | counting clouds? | Mar 04 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: =| | Mar 04 21:39 |
| schestowitz | The arguments of non-Free s/w pushers are SOOO weak... http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/agilization/2010/02/what-makes-squork-better-than-google-wave-and-open-source-social-networking-media-and-other-good-que.php | Mar 04 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | Esp. for CMSs/hosting | Mar 04 21:40 |
| schestowitz | The 'big' proprietary companies play 'old guard' | Mar 04 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Their time is limited | Mar 04 21:41 |
| schestowitz | UNIX to an extent, WIndows has margins erosion | Mar 04 21:41 |
| schestowitz | So it's trying to tax Linux (Microsoft extortion) | Mar 04 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Apple too | Mar 04 21:42 |
| schestowitz | It wants "Android tax" | Mar 04 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a good way to explain to people what Apple is doing | Mar 04 21:42 |
| schestowitz | "Android tax" | Mar 04 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Apple wants money for each non-Apple phone sold | Mar 04 21:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @saintpaul007 @palestine #UK PM to kill universal jurisdiction law http://bit.ly/azpPZf /#wtf! #Israel gets carte blanche in #war crime! | Mar 04 21:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] can somebody host my projective html5 video demo ? #ajaxian #html5 #projective | Mar 04 21:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/another-day-another-illogical-attack-on-open-source | Mar 04 21:46 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Lords copyright change 'could block YouTube' http://is.gd/9HEQv | Mar 04 21:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Lords copyright change 'could block YouTube' http://is.gd/9HEQv | Mar 04 21:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | The new Ubuntu start up and shut down screens landed | Mar 04 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | no new Mac OS theme though, yet | Mar 04 21:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1120657-8,00.html | Mar 04 21:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IN SEARCH OF THE REAL BILL GATES - TIME .::. Size~: 48.96 KB | Mar 04 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You suppose the USPTO gave Crapple a patent on putting the window controls on the wrong side of the window? | Mar 04 21:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "Melinda is Catholic, goes to church and wants to raise Jennifer that way. "But she offered me a deal," Gates says. "If I start going to church--my family was Congregationalist--then Jennifer could be raised in whatever religion I choose." Gates admits that he is tempted, because he would prefer she have a religion that "has less theology and all" than Catholicism, but he has not yet taken up the offer. "Just | Mar 04 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Gates sounds like a perfect Catholicism candidate to me | Mar 04 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in case anyone really wanted to know | Mar 04 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is agnostic | Mar 04 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | really not a believer | Mar 04 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know the names of his kids | Mar 04 21:51 |
| schestowitz | How many are there? | Mar 04 21:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it's possible | Mar 04 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] still amazes me that anyone uses the word 'terror1st' un-ironically, 25 yrs after the film "Brazil". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/ | Mar 04 21:51 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Brazil (1985) .::. Size~: 84.1 KB | Mar 04 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Catholicism is a "safe" answer when someone asks you what your religion is, cause it's "Christian" but nobody takes it seriously either | Mar 04 21:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | neither did I until I searched for the quote, 1997 | Mar 04 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | like, you don't have to do stuff | Mar 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | They can cross-breed with Icahn :-) :-) http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/carl-icahn.jpg For maximal damage | Mar 04 21:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Mar 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I'm generally not interested in the families | Mar 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Unless they are in the business too | Mar 04 21:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Added our first dbus snippet too to Python Snippets - come and join us in #ubuntu-app-devel | Mar 04 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | Like gates Sr. and Melinda with her lobbying | Mar 04 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, neither am I, only why he is the way he is | Mar 04 21:55 |
| schestowitz | The kids don't need to suffer because of their father's crime | Mar 04 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or if some guilt truely will make him change | Mar 04 21:55 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Mar 04 21:55 | |
| *schestowitz wonder if BillG also opens jars of mosquitoes in his home | Mar 04 21:56 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm filing a bug on Ubuntu not mounting my Sansa properly | Mar 04 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 04 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have a sansa | Mar 04 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/21882.cfm | Mar 04 21:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SWF verification blocks open source software from BBC iPlayer content .::. Size~: 44.88 KB | Mar 04 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 4 gb | Mar 04 21:57 |
| *schestowitz needs to buy SALSA | Mar 04 21:57 | |
| *_Goblin (~goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Mar 04 21:58 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR will love this.......... http://www.eurasiareview.com/p/about-eurasia-review_6598.html | Mar 04 21:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: About Eurasia Review | Eurasia Review .::. Size~: 163.31 KB | Mar 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | "Despite this area containing over 70% of the world's population news continues to be dominated by a U.S. slant, and that is where Eurasia Review - an independent news outlet - enters the picture by providing a different perspective on current events with an emphasis on Open Source Intelligence (OSINT)." | Mar 04 21:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> stuff was put on it with XP sp2, which even XP SP3 will not read | Mar 04 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My linux won't either until I reformat it I think | Mar 04 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Different propeganda with a Ruropean Twist and a slice of lemon | Mar 04 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | joy | Mar 04 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | from what I read | Mar 04 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | *European | Mar 04 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Those kinds of bugs are common between MS service packs | Mar 04 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of weird shit can happen | Mar 04 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | of course the solution is probably to format the device's storage and start over | Mar 04 22:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaenonFC> yes | Mar 04 22:02 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, i prefer european twist to usian twist :> | Mar 04 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it's designed to enrage Europeans at Americans for no reason | Mar 04 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | you watch American news you get enraged at yourself I guess | Mar 04 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 04 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | and that doesn't make any sense at all | Mar 04 22:03 |
| MinceR | not really | Mar 04 22:03 |
| MinceR | indeed it doesn't | Mar 04 22:03 |
| MinceR | try making some sense next time | Mar 04 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | but the TV is telling you to hate | Mar 04 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | if it says hate yourself, start cutting damn it | Mar 04 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 04 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in the last 30 years here the news on TV has become more tabiod news and advertising as news | Mar 04 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Bat Boy Found in Cave is almost mainstream now | Mar 04 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | local news is mostly advertising as news | Mar 04 22:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: actually you might be told whom to hate but not everybody does | Mar 04 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, The most trustworthy thing on the news is the day's weather report | Mar 04 22:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: some of us are capable of interpreting the news and thinking for themselves | Mar 04 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's only what they want you to think | Mar 04 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | They distort, you form opinions | Mar 04 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mostly the news media lie by omission | Mar 04 22:05 |
| MinceR | and what do you do? | Mar 04 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I have no reason to think that foreign news agencies are any better, just different propaganda | Mar 04 22:05 |
| MinceR | but you have reason to think that usian news agencies are? | Mar 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <DaemonFC> Chips_B_Malroy, The most trustworthy thing on the news is the day's weather report | Mar 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Except when the weatherman talks about his penis | Mar 04 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Are you telling me you can flip on the local Absurdistan News and believe what they say without question? | Mar 04 22:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you're evading the question | Mar 04 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Of course not. | Mar 04 22:07 |
| MinceR | then why are you making noise again? | Mar 04 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | I only trust them as far as not having a reason to lie about that piece goes, | Mar 04 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its always best to get serveral sources of information, when possible, and not all from the same slant, bios, or owners | Mar 04 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News is just really bad about not covering up an opinion piece disguised as news | Mar 04 22:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC probably prefers to just watch Fox "News" | Mar 04 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | CNN is better about it | Mar 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SqdNYKOLyw | Mar 04 22:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- I'M HUGE - Pete Bouchard - REMIX - Weatherman 9 INCH Penis .::. Size~: 90.17 KB | Mar 04 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Fox is just there to enrage people that aren't that intelligent and will absorb anything they say | Mar 04 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | CNN is far more subtle with the distortions | Mar 04 22:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Fox news can be useful, if they provide a counterpoint, and once in awhile, a fact that the mainstream liberal media omitts. same can be said the other way around too | Mar 04 22:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | never trust either side | Mar 04 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they both lie | Mar 04 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, MSNBC is just Fox for liberals | Mar 04 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | only difference | Mar 04 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and Gates | Mar 04 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | they still have "news anchors" putting forth opinion pieces | Mar 04 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | as fact | Mar 04 22:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MSNBC-the voice of Redmond | Mar 04 22:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another tenicle of the seven headed monster | Mar 04 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, They sold it to Comcast actually | Mar 04 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | which is probably worse | Mar 04 22:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, forgot that | Mar 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mobile-computing-news.co.uk/nokia/2518/nokia-come-clean-admit-n97-and-symbian-were-failures.html | Mar 04 22:12 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mobile Computing News .::. Size~: 45.21 KB | Mar 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Camcast is with Microsoft | Mar 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Comcast is with Microsoft | Mar 04 22:13 |
| cubezzz | bah | Mar 04 22:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so does thin mean Roy forgot one that MS cut back on? MSNBC? Or does MS still help run it until the deals go though, or have a partnership with Comcast? | Mar 04 22:14 |
| cubezzz | so use a freenet :) | Mar 04 22:14 |
| MinceR | nothing about what nokia's going to do | Mar 04 22:14 |
| MinceR | and when | Mar 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+comcast&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Mar 04 22:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: site:boycottnovell.com comcast - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.4 KB | Mar 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | I have an issue with Konqueror | Mar 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes sites don't respond to it | Mar 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | For like a minute, then it gets sorted out | Mar 04 22:16 |
| cubezzz | microsoft based web pages maybe? | Mar 04 22:17 |
| MinceR | perhaps it's a proxy or DNS issue? | Mar 04 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, Firefox is doing that last few days here as well | Mar 04 22:17 |
| cubezzz | if it's DNS then firefox/konqueror/lynx wouldn't matter | Mar 04 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think there is just more windows botnets going, doing ddos | Mar 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: nope | Mar 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Google too | Mar 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I really want to use just KDE | Mar 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | But there are some issues | Mar 04 22:18 |
| MinceR | different browsers might use different resolvers, can they not? | Mar 04 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google still comes up fast for me | Mar 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Also, sometimes I need to reload for Flash to come up | Mar 04 22:18 |
| cubezzz | possible... | Mar 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | it sort of randomly goes away | Mar 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Also no <video> support and <audio> | Mar 04 22:18 |
| cubezzz | are you on a server? | Mar 04 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but not always when I search on google | Mar 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: DNS? | Mar 04 22:19 |
| cubezzz | if you are serving big files, that will slow things down | Mar 04 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Chrome seems to have less of the slowdown problems | Mar 04 22:19 |
| schestowitz | In the past few days I manages BN only with Konq | Mar 04 22:20 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i mean, perhaps the other browser caches DNS replies | Mar 04 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532237 | Mar 04 22:20 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: or uses servers from resolv.conf in a different order | Mar 04 22:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ahhh..... | Mar 04 22:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug #532237 in Ubuntu: “Sandisk Sansa Fuze does not mount properly in MSC mode on Lucid/10.04” .::. Size~: 30.04 KB | Mar 04 22:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> there was two modes to mount that sansa, did linux ever do MSC? | Mar 04 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 04 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is busted | Mar 04 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | from what I red back then, if you put files with | Mar 04 22:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | X | Mar 04 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Setting the device to MTP works, but then it becomes a dumb 18.6 GB blob where I can't drag and drop or browse it and I have no control as to where files go. Yay Microsoft! Bonus: I can't see anything I added in MSC mode." | Mar 04 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 04 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to use MTP mode | Mar 04 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | I like MSC mode better | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Think I tryed it with Mepis 7 back awhile, and it could see the drive, but not the files put on with XP SP@ | Mar 04 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *2 | Mar 04 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | The device is exposing the storage as a normal FAT32 file system on a flash memory device | Mar 04 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Linux has supported that for ages | Mar 04 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | I might boot up my old XP laptop and see if I can format the internal storage from there | Mar 04 22:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it seems like DNS might be the cause | Mar 04 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I can't see where to change it though | Mar 04 22:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> maybe I don't have the same model you do, was thinking this one only has 4gb of space | Mar 04 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe its the clip | Mar 04 22:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anyway, its lost somewhere right now, and cannot find it right away | Mar 04 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's not the player | Mar 04 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's some kind of bug in Ubuntu | Mar 04 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Split view is nice | Mar 04 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | they always fuck around and add bugs that NOBODY can explain, even themselves | Mar 04 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous | Mar 04 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> what I was wondering, is if its an Ubuntu bug, or upstream Debian, as Mepis is based on Debian | Mar 04 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | I just formatted it on XP | Mar 04 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | now lets see how Ubuntu likes it | Mar 04 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | HAHA!!! | Mar 04 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | great success! | Mar 04 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | take that you little bastard, I WIN!!! | Mar 04 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 04 22:30 |
| *DaemonFC does a weird tribal victory dance to celebrate his victory over the MP3 player | Mar 04 22:31 | |
| cubezzz | I had to fight with the ol' ati all-in-wonder 9600 today | Mar 04 22:32 |
| cubezzz | couldn't get the tv tuner thing to work :-/ | Mar 04 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I got my MSC back | Mar 04 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | I am happy | Mar 04 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft MTP is designed to go along with WM-DRM and make the whole damned player harder to tinker with | Mar 04 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | I really REALLY don't want to use that | Mar 04 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | use ogg or mp3 | Mar 04 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | irrelevant | Mar 04 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Mozilla handles DNS separately from KDE? | Mar 04 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Ogg and MP3 can be transferred over MTP | Mar 04 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | MTP is just a transfer protocol | Mar 04 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of like WinFS for mp3 players | Mar 04 22:34 |
| schestowitz | DNS caching might explain such a behaviour | Mar 04 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's horrible and complicated and slow | Mar 04 22:35 |
| cubezzz | sounds like you're still using microsoft software | Mar 04 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | it has its own database, binary, totally undocumented | Mar 04 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz>I used to have one of those old ATI all in wonder TV cards | Mar 04 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I installed alpha 3 into vm not that long ago, and got the updates. however no new boot splash, and the background didn't change when doing the updates, but I have that horrible new background | Mar 04 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | the Linux MTP project reverse engineered it | Mar 04 22:35 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, I really hate it now | Mar 04 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also I don't have Ubuntu One under Internet which I am finding odd, since I expect it to be there | Mar 04 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | they did that to allow some functionality on MTP only players | Mar 04 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I don't want to use that service anyway, but still hrm | Mar 04 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I don't use Ubuntu One, I made an account though | Mar 04 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | free 2 GB might be handy at some point | Mar 04 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to pay for it though | Mar 04 22:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Skud oh, hey, livejournal is screwing users around again, invading privacy, etc. must be thursday. http://bit.ly/ap1S6A | Mar 04 22:36 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: vichan: LiveJournal, you fucked up again. .::. Size~: 78.38 KB | Mar 04 22:36 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: you could check if your DNS servers are all up (probably make sure the one that works is the first one; or maybe install a DNS cache :) | Mar 04 22:36 |
| MinceR | here my router is the DNS cache | Mar 04 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, auto backup of documents and pictures maybe | Mar 04 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | 2 GB can hold many documents and pictures | Mar 04 22:37 |
| MinceR | those are the ideas that come to my mind | Mar 04 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, xorg-edgers managed to kill Compiz last night, but today's packages bring it back | Mar 04 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz>yes, it had like 8 steps to get it working in XP, had it all printed out burned to a cd, as it was made for 98. I gave it away, as I did not think it would work in linux. Have an old WinTV card 1998 that I have working just fine in linux, TVTIME and Xdtv great. | Mar 04 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 04 22:38 |
| cubezzz | hauppage? | Mar 04 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Mar 04 22:38 |
| cubezzz | yes, I have one of those too :) | Mar 04 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | had to plug in an 3.5mm patch cord in order to get sound working | Mar 04 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | XdTV works really good to record | Mar 04 22:39 |
| MinceR | my wintv card died | Mar 04 22:39 |
| MinceR | took the line inputs of my audigy 2 platinum with it | Mar 04 22:40 |
| *accidentalbits (~chm@dslb-084-057-135-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Mar 04 22:40 | |
| DaemonFC | now formatted it again on Ubuntu | Mar 04 22:40 |
| MinceR | i got a new wintv card and it turned out to have a cx88 chip instead of bt878 so it didn't work, had to take it back | Mar 04 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes bt878 works | Mar 04 22:40 |
| MinceR | it works but nobody's making them | Mar 04 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ebay | Mar 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=99391894500523&w=2 | Mar 04 22:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'Bug#15734: marked as done (konqueror: dns-lookup problem with https & proxy) by Dawit Alemayehu <ada' - MARC .::. Size~: 3.77 KB | Mar 04 22:41 |
| MinceR | i don't like to buy stuff used | Mar 04 22:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have to use an inverter to analog box of course or sat | Mar 04 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, if I format it on Ubuntu, Ubuntu can't read it | Mar 04 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | if I format it on XP, Ubuntu can read it | Mar 04 22:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 13 year old TV card, linux still supported it | Mar 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz | *lOL* comptia and FOSS...... http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Security/CompTIA-Targets-Security-Open-Source-Small-Business-with-Member-Communities-499079/ | Mar 04 22:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: CompTIA Targets Security, Open Source, Small Business with Member Communities - Security news from Channel Insider .::. Size~: 90.75 KB | Mar 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Also in their press release | Mar 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'm not sure if it's DNS | Mar 04 22:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> think I need to find my sansa, and let you know what it does | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | And Konq has no such option | Mar 04 22:43 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: you could also check proxy settings | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Not even system-settings, foremyl kcontol | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | *formerly | Mar 04 22:43 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: konqueror reads DNS settings from /etc/resolv.conf like everybody else | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no proxy used | Mar 04 22:43 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 04 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Formatting FAT in Linux seems to be a little bit off from what the Sansa expects | Mar 04 22:44 |
| MinceR | maybe the sites do some trickery | Mar 04 22:44 |
| MinceR | some javascript bloat or something | Mar 04 22:44 |
| MinceR | or konqueror is buggy | Mar 04 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, now I know | Mar 04 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | and knowing is half the battle | Mar 04 22:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am thinking the general slowdown lately in the internet could be due to more ddos attacks since the two court cases that targetted botnets | Mar 04 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or the court cases might just be a result of more attacks and the need to do something | Mar 04 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> gparted fat32 would not work? | Mar 04 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 04 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | corrupted the file system | Mar 04 22:46 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=12184 | Mar 04 22:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Does Amazon's Tablet Future Lie With Microsoft? | Tech Broiler | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 118.67 KB | Mar 04 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | XP fixed it | Mar 04 22:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I thought about these | Mar 04 22:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how new a xp disk? | Mar 04 22:47 |
| schestowitz | It's odd that Firefox has no such issues | Mar 04 22:47 |
| schestowitz | They seem to sensationalise it... Hess and Perlow | Mar 04 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I ran into a problem of xp on a new 250gb sata drive. The drive would hose up every 6 weeks. never on the internet. | Mar 04 22:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The xp disk used to fdisk and format it to ntfs was older one | Mar 04 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532237 | Mar 04 22:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug #532237 in Ubuntu: “Sandisk Sansa Fuze does not mount properly in MSC mode on Lucid/10.04” .::. Size~: 31.21 KB | Mar 04 22:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | finailly it could not be fixed | Mar 04 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | I replied to my own bug and left the results of my investigation | Mar 04 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | which turn up more questions | Mar 04 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so I tryed to repartition with the same xp disk, which it did and format to ntfs, also new fdisk /mbr. But XP failed during the install | Mar 04 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if I could get someone from Sandisk to look at that | Mar 04 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | probably not | Mar 04 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | claiming that is was not a real ms partition | Mar 04 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The fix was to get another XP disk, and partition and format it with gparted | Mar 04 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | well, the partition identifier used is the same, the file system format is basically the same | Mar 04 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | never came back with teh same problem after that | Mar 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Linux won't write both long and short file names cause of the TomTom suit | Mar 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | but that has no bearing on the internals of the file system | Mar 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | just what happens when you write a file to the file system | Mar 04 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's got nothing to do with a newly formatted blank file system | Mar 04 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wondered if some bug in the early XP disk in fdisk or format that MS might have fixed later without telling. 98SE had bugs in format.exe that they later replaced | Mar 04 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anyway, it was strange | Mar 04 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | this calls for a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4GlesCQpfA | Mar 04 22:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Im Fat- Weird Al .::. Size~: 126.42 KB | Mar 04 22:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another RAW full of DUD's, also when will the guest hosts come to an end? Diva pillow fights? Come on.... #wwe #fail #raw | Mar 04 22:58 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 04 22:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideBusop.htm?f=2010/march/2/chinwong.isx&d=2010/march/2 | Mar 04 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | AT&T pulls a Canonical. http://androidcommunity.com/att-has-removed-google-search-in-favor-of-yahoo-20100302/ | Mar 04 22:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AT&T Has Removed Google Search In Favor Of Yahoo | Android Community .::. Size~: 48.93 KB | Mar 04 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Aleks Krotoski blogs too? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/mar/02/opera-browser-coworking | Mar 04 23:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tech Weekly podcast: Opera's Jon von Tetzchner on the browser ballot, and coworking - open source office space |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 93.25 KB | Mar 04 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, AT&T is bullshit, I mean even worse than Comcast | Mar 04 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | you'll be paying more for your DSL alone than you will for TV and internet through cable | Mar 04 23:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 04 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T's cheap-o $19.99 plan for people who don't need much bandwidth is the only decent rate they have | Mar 04 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Old new kicked about: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/feb/04/symbian-smartphone-software-open-source | Mar 04 23:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Symbian makes its smartphone software open source |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 77.9 KB | Mar 04 23:06 |
| schestowitz | How many months have they been yelling it?????? | Mar 04 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It's like Sun reannouncing OpenSolaris | Mar 04 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I never used AT&T, but I hate them for others reaons | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They also signed a MS deal recently | Mar 04 23:07 |
| schestowitz | So I reckon maybe Microsoft uses Yahoo! for greenwashing | Mar 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Use Microsoft without realising it | Mar 04 23:08 |
| schestowitz | They harvest and advertise | Mar 04 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC | well, I just pwned myself | Mar 04 23:11 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if XFS ated anything on the way down | Mar 04 23:11 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2010/03/03/no-more-att-google-search-will-verizon-and-others-follow-suit/ | Mar 04 23:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No more AT&T Google search, will Verizon and others follow suit » Phone Reviews .::. Size~: 29.98 KB | Mar 04 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7048370.ece | Mar 04 23:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Technology News & Web News | Times Online .::. Size~: 96.83 KB | Mar 04 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Light theme has landed | Mar 04 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yes | Mar 04 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: about to install that | Mar 04 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Ubuntu Mono Icon theme :D | Mar 04 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | probably not related to actsual Mono though | Mar 04 23:18 |
| MinceR | monochrome? | Mar 04 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | or maybe it is | Mar 04 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/feb/24/tea-party-protests-liberals | Mar 04 23:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: US liberals have lost their thunder | Clancy Sigal |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 190.96 KB | Mar 04 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu Mono Icon theme - Dark and Light panel icons to make your desktop beautiful | Mar 04 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Chromium entered 10.04 repos last week | Mar 04 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Mono is there too | Mar 04 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that purple background is a joke | Mar 04 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Chromiumono? | Mar 04 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Reminds me of Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu | Mar 04 23:20 |
| schestowitz | so change it | Mar 04 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: of course, but this is just a vm | Mar 04 23:20 |
| schestowitz | It's purple like in Snot [sic] Leopard | Mar 04 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | about to get this new theme stuff, but I expect Mandriva will be still way better :) | Mar 04 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Purple for gay Mac users | Mar 04 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | for themes | Mar 04 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | default themes | Mar 04 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/25/argentina-united-nations-falklands | Mar 04 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#27%20February%202010%20%28Microsoft%20attacking%20free%20speech%29 "v" | Mar 04 23:21 |
| schestowitz | "(Microsoft attacking free speech) " | Mar 04 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | uploading screens | Mar 04 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I like the dark better | Mar 04 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2425/screenshotece.png | Mar 04 23:23 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4829/screenshot1rj.png | Mar 04 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61P0O520100226 | Mar 04 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's not Plasma | Mar 04 23:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what happened to the minimize button? | Mar 04 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | window controls are still on the correct side | Mar 04 23:24 |
| MinceR | oh, maybe mac asay decided that it should be in the middle | Mar 04 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | for now I guess | Mar 04 23:24 |
| MinceR | and it was drawn that way | Mar 04 23:25 |
| MinceR | so they didn't just put them on the wrong side and put the close button on the wrong side, they also mixed up the minimize and maximize buttons | Mar 04 23:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/25/barack-obama-healthcare-reform-summit | Mar 04 23:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Obama plans final push for health reform bill as summit turns testy |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 73.04 KB | Mar 04 23:25 |
| schestowitz | You're forked | Mar 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM7QLCXYNT4&feature=channel | Mar 04 23:26 |
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| DaemonFC | budget reconciliation | Mar 04 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | just bypass the bastards | Mar 04 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | it should be up or down anyway | Mar 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: withdrawal | Mar 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | From 1000+ bases around the world | Mar 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Hungary probably included | Mar 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they stick around so that Ballmer+Biden can unleash them on Hungarian students who want to toss Microware | Mar 04 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | he drew the republicans in there to let them make asses out of themselves and admit they have no ideas but to kill it | Mar 04 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | it was a calculated political trap | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Uzis and Vista7 is the ammo | Mar 04 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | *claps* | Mar 04 23:27 |
| schestowitz | You learn s/t new every day: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8909 | Mar 04 23:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Virginia Rep: Disabled Kids are Punishment from God (Or Not) | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 28.19 KB | Mar 04 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/02/epic-fail-congress-usa-patriot-act-renewed-without | Mar 04 23:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Epic Fail in Congress: USA PATRIOT Act Renewed Without Any New Civil Liberties Protections | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 19.09 KB | Mar 04 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | must be one of those "compassionate conservatives" | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/26/danish-cartoons-muhammad-politiken-apology | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 04 23:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Danish newspaper apologises in Muhammad cartoons row |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 73.4 KB | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It's 'sacred' | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I bet you're at more risk painting a prophet than painting some cartoon of a naked kid | Mar 04 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/25/oas-report-chavez-human-rights | Mar 04 23:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chávez furious as OAS rights watchdog accuses him of endangering democracy |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 70.35 KB | Mar 04 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You can't say bad things about a religion | Mar 04 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's not pc | Mar 04 23:30 |
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| DaemonFC | shh now | Mar 04 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | the only time you can say bad things about a religion is when their subscription level is low | Mar 04 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I can diss Scientologists, but not Catholics | Mar 04 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | kinda like that | Mar 04 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, I doubt the Catholics would sue me | Mar 04 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | you never know | Mar 04 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It was obvious that Obama was going to have to hit the Republicans with everything he had months ago | Mar 04 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | he should have done it before they gave us an even worse bill than the Dems proposed | Mar 04 23:33 |
| MinceR | are we trying to be PC here? | Mar 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | he sacrificed almost everything good in the bill to try and pick up one or two Republican votes which he didn't get | Mar 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | now we're down to this | Mar 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm not pc | Mar 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | I hate people who censor themselves for the sake of being gratuitously pc | Mar 04 23:35 |
| MinceR | i hate PC-ness | Mar 04 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: MinceR New Ubuntu themes suck! | Mar 04 23:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/02/former_police_officer_pleads_g.html | Mar 04 23:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Former police officer pleads guilty to Danziger Bridge shooting cover-up of stunning breadth | - NOLA.com .::. Size~: 101.27 KB | Mar 04 23:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, looking at the ZDnet story by Dana Blankenhorn & Paula Rooney, MS shills. They did have one interesting comment, "Singer is going to get a look inside that 2006 agreement." The NDA between MS and Novell. | Mar 04 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ^^^^^^ | Mar 04 23:37 |
| schestowitz | /s/themes/10.04/ | Mar 04 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | I seem to be having DNS issues | Mar 04 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | also I got the black one by default it seems :( | Mar 04 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo, Amazon, WMA... and all that malarkey... | Mar 04 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | rather have the light one | Mar 04 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Mint looks OK | Mar 04 23:38 |
| schestowitz | No Yahoosoft | Mar 04 23:38 |
| schestowitz | No ugly theme | Mar 04 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Mono virus passed through though,... it's venereal | Mar 04 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah Mint is better than this rubbish really | Mar 04 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | themewise | Mar 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | the dark theme doesn't look bad | Mar 04 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So, if someone buys Novell, not necessaryly Singer, something might leak out about the 2006 NDA with MS | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | altough I wasn't that keen on Mint themewise | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: something about dark | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | dark themes :( | Mar 04 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I like dark themes | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | that's one reason right there why I don't do Sabayon | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | way to dark for my likeing by default | Mar 04 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | they look "crisper" to me | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | oh sure the theme can be changed | Mar 04 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: what's even worse than the themes | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | is of course that background | Mar 04 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 was the last release that had a good background | Mar 04 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | and that one really did have a nice background | Mar 04 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | the wallpaper is always the first thing changed anyway | Mar 04 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | default wallpapers usually suck | Mar 04 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | so good that I will use that background again I guess | Mar 04 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Bray's blog is a wasteland,... just photos now | Mar 04 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that's what Apple said | Mar 04 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora's Solar theme was great, they got rid of that though | Mar 04 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: basicalley | Mar 04 23:40 |
| schestowitz | [23:39] <Chips_B_Malroy> So, if someone buys Novell, not necessaryly Singer, something might leak out about the 2006 NDA with MS | Mar 04 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that most people change the background one of the first things they do | Mar 04 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it'll say Ballmer and Mini Ballmer (Hovsepian) are wingers | Mar 04 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I meant swingers :-) | Mar 04 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | I wonder if I re boot and it boots up again, if I get the new boot up screen | Mar 04 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | I re booted after the updates and not there | Mar 04 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They swapped patents | Mar 04 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Then wives | Mar 04 23:41 |
| schestowitz | And decided to ruin FS, making it mixed source | Mar 04 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: by the screenshot I saw, that boot up looks alright | Mar 04 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Naaa... | Mar 04 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Stupid logo too | Mar 04 23:42 |
| schestowitz | And fonts | Mar 04 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | they haven't given GDM another theme it seems? or have they, and I didn't get that as well? | Mar 04 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Amateur IMHO | Mar 04 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | if not well I'll continue to use KDM on the other computer | Mar 04 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | or put on the old GDM and do that blubuntu theme I liked a lot | Mar 04 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsweek.com/id/233890 | Mar 04 23:43 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6484/screenshothu.png | Mar 04 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8525982.stm | Mar 04 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Shame on Ryan | Mar 04 23:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.61 KB | Mar 04 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | not excellent, but far from the worst default look ever | Mar 04 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: what's that of? | Mar 04 23:43 |
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| DaemonFC | the worst default look Ubuntu has had was around 7.04 | Mar 04 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I had that | Mar 04 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | I had 4.10 also | Mar 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | It looked OK | Mar 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Wallpapers... | Mar 04 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://apcmag.com/system/files/images/Screenshot-Desktop.jpg | Mar 04 23:45 |
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| DaemonFC | 7.04 | Mar 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I installed kde-desktop on it | Mar 04 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Looked fine, crude | Mar 04 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Ubuntu's default look has been crude | Mar 04 23:46 |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.magnatune.com/buckman/2010/03/magnatune-sends-check-to-gnome-foundation-thanks-to-rhythmbox.html | Mar 04 23:46 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: buckman's magnatune blog: Magnatune sends check to GNOME Foundation thanks to Rhythmbox .::. Size~: 25.47 KB | Mar 04 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking get a daily build tomorow | Mar 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want to welcome Windows users to the stone age of default looks | Mar 04 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | since it hasn't given me new boot up | Mar 04 23:46 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: crude as in bad? | Mar 04 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Now people who think Ubuntu is big this is interesting numbers | Mar 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Aero Glass looks a lot better than Ubuntu's default GNOME themes have tended to | Mar 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | sorry, but they have been ugly | Mar 04 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | you can change that, but....first impressions | Mar 04 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7, all have better OS eye candy than Ubuntu yes | Mar 04 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Ann Widdecombe resigns from charity over 'bullying' row http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8527881.stm | Mar 04 23:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 86.6 KB | Mar 04 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mandriva has a lovely default theme, as well as other themes that are similar to it | Mar 04 23:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: thing is most of the noobs will do Ubuntu these days, not Mandriva | Mar 04 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Ia Ora looks futuristic | Mar 04 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | good theme | Mar 04 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has tended to look like Windows 95 | Mar 04 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/02/26/Noracle | Mar 04 23:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ongoing by Tim Bray · Noracle .::. Size~: 10.65 KB | Mar 04 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Noracle *LOL* | Mar 04 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that picture screensaver in the latest Mandriva release, is pretty nice as well | Mar 04 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | I like Ubuntu's new themes, the dark one is better though | Mar 04 23:49 |
| *sebsebseb is not having fun with the bottom of the finger next to the thumb on the right hand today, since burnt it on a sausepan earlier | Mar 04 23:49 | |
| bruce89 | hello | Mar 04 23:50 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Ubuntu is horrible for default eye candy now | Mar 04 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: however yet loads of their users will think it's good | Mar 04 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | the themes | Mar 04 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and the background pictures that come with it, that suck | Mar 04 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1589/screenshotds.png | Mar 04 23:52 |
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| DaemonFC | resource usage is also getting better | Mar 04 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | that may be GNOME's doing | Mar 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | bruce89: 0/ | Mar 04 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why anyone would use Xubuntu now, you lose so much functionality and save no resources | Mar 04 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | Thunar has no concept of SMB, even if you configure Samba, for one | Mar 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | http://ptribble.blogspot.com/2010/02/opening-up-some-details-of-opensolaris.html | Mar 04 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Trouble with Tribbles...: Opening up some details of OpenSolaris under Oracle .::. Size~: 25.95 KB | Mar 04 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | so you end up getting Nautilus anyway | Mar 04 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | you'd have both by default in Ubuntu | Mar 04 23:55 |
| bruce89 | not sure about that amorphous background | Mar 04 23:55 |
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| DaemonFC | jono, couple things.... 1. Nice themes. and 2. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532237 | Mar 04 23:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug #532237 in Ubuntu: “Sandisk Sansa Fuze does not mount properly in MSC mode on Lucid/10.04” .::. Size~: 31.2 KB | Mar 04 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | can you make any sense of this behavior? | Mar 04 23:56 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Nice themes? No they are not! | Mar 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Weird: http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/sundown "After nearly 10 years, I've now left Sun. Thanks to everyone for following my blog for all these years. Please follow my new blog, Wild Webmink, where I have posted a career retrospective." BUT it's 404ing NOW! | Mar 04 23:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Mar 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Is Oracle hiding something? | Mar 04 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | I like them, the wallpaper is kind of meh though | Mar 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Did he remove it? | Mar 04 23:56 |
| jono | DaemonFC, thanks for the bug report :) | Mar 04 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 04 23:56 |
| jono | glad you like the theme too | Mar 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Is he quitting Oracle? | Mar 04 23:56 |
| jono | thats odd | Mar 04 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Thanks for that horrible new black default theme, altough it's not your fault :D | Mar 04 23:57 |
| jono | sebsebseb, lol | Mar 04 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | jono: the lighter one isn't much better | Mar 04 23:57 |
| jono | DaemonFC, not entirely sure tbh | Mar 04 23:57 |
| jono | hopefully we can get this fixed | Mar 04 23:57 |
| jono | sebsebseb, just use another theme | Mar 04 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | jono, might be a firmware bug, I noted if I format it in XP, Ubuntu recognizes it | Mar 04 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | jono: well I make Ubuntu use the Gnome icons now days | Mar 04 23:57 |
| jono | DaemonFC, yeah, good point | Mar 04 23:57 |
| jono | sebsebseb, ok | Mar 04 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | jono: after editing the older Human theme or whatever | Mar 04 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | jono: basic customizing though | Mar 04 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | with what Ubuntu comes with | Mar 04 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | jono: as for the purple background, like OS X sure, but it also reminds me of Hannah Montana OS based on Kubuntu | Mar 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll mail him.... | Mar 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Did you leave Oracle? | Mar 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I noticed your last post 404ing. | Mar 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | "After nearly 10 years, I've now left Sun. Thanks to everyone for following my blog for all these years. Please follow my new blog, Wild Webmink, where I have posted a career retrospective. | Mar 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 04 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I've built Ia-Ora for Ubuntu before form boredom | Mar 04 23:59 |
| jono | sebsebseb, ok | Mar 04 23:59 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: I can vouch for that now | Mar 04 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's interesting :) | Mar 04 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: you know I suck at words, remind me what vounch means, if I ever really know, I think your saying that you agree? | Mar 04 23:59 |
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