| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More to #Mozilla Than Just #Firefox http://ur1.ca/omeq http://ur1.ca/omer http://ur1.ca/omes | Mar 07 00:03 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Swiftfox: a fast Firefox alternative for Linux users only « The Linux Critic .::. Size~: 39.84 KB | Mar 07 00:03 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Firefox alpha dons Flash flak jacket • The Register .::. Size~: 25.84 KB | Mar 07 00:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mozilla Lands Out-Of-Process Plugins in Firefox 3.7 - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 102.16 KB | Mar 07 00:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #Chrome Browser Grows Fast (Like Android) http://ur1.ca/omew http://ur1.ca/omex http://ur1.ca/omez | Mar 07 00:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Chrome extends .::. Size~: 36.55 KB | Mar 07 00:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Friday Fun: Play 3D Rally Racing in Google Chrome - How-To Geek .::. Size~: 56.04 KB | Mar 07 00:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google pumps out Chrome build which knows where you are • The Register .::. Size~: 22.59 KB | Mar 07 00:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Midnight Commander Has New Release http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Midnight-Commander-Small-Update-Big-Enhancements | Mar 07 00:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Midnight Commander: Small Update, Big Enhancements - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 29.87 KB | Mar 07 00:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UCLA Opens up Its Work to the Public, Video Database Goes Online http://chronicle.com/blogPost/UCLA-Will-Resume-Streaming/21594/ | Mar 07 00:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: UCLA Will Resume Streaming Video After Legal Dispute - Wired Campus - The Chronicle of Higher Education .::. Size~: 39.41 KB | Mar 07 00:07 |
| schestowitz | "[ml2mst] Tomorrow is another day ;-) " | Mar 07 00:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship and Abuse of Civil Rights in Australia, EU, US http://ur1.ca/omfj http://ur1.ca/omfm http://ur1.ca/omfn | Mar 07 00:10 | |
| schestowitz | Whhaa??? | Mar 07 00:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Media Watch: Miffed Minister's Gag (01/03/2010) .::. Size~: 35.16 KB | Mar 07 00:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google convictions reveal two flaws in EU law, not just Italian law | Pinsent Masons LLP .::. Size~: 27.77 KB | Mar 07 00:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 2theadvocate.com | News | Judge: Web site must yank story about center giraffe — Baton Rouge, LA .::. Size~: 62.35 KB | Mar 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2008/02/monster-cables-monster-ripoff-80-markups.html | Mar 07 00:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Monster Cables, Monster Ripoff: 80% Markups - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 66.59 KB | Mar 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's 80% markup at the retail level | Mar 07 00:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Internet in the #UK Under Fire by Several Parties http://ur1.ca/omfv http://ur1.ca/omfw http://ur1.ca/omfx | Mar 07 00:14 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Digital Economy Bill Could Be Pushed Through Before Election | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 32.01 KB | Mar 07 00:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pirate Party UK - Lib Dems make the Digital Economy Bill even worse .::. Size~: 20.55 KB | Mar 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're a ripoff even at wholesale | Mar 07 00:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My Lords, you can't please the entertainment industry and sustain privacy |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 77.77 KB | Mar 07 00:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Myth of "Originality" Debunked http://blog.ninapaley.com/2009/12/28/the-cult-of-originality/ | Mar 07 00:15 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Cult of Originality « Nina Paleys Blog .::. Size~: 75.5 KB | Mar 07 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Your politicians are doing it wrong | Mar 07 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | you piss off voters AFTER The election | Mar 07 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | the massively bad stuff goes through right after the election and that way it's either "Fuck it, I wasn't re-elected" or "Fuck it, nobody will remember this in 6 years" | Mar 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the bill passes | Mar 07 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/if-you-get-mad-dont-smash-29-walmart-tvs-with-a-bat.html | Mar 07 00:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: If You Get Mad, Don't Smash 29 Walmart TVs With A Bat - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 54.65 KB | Mar 07 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/judge-sues-sams-club-walmart-alleging-bad-customer-service-led-him-to-be-committed.html | Mar 07 00:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Judge Sues Sam's Club, Walmart, Alleging Bad Customer Service Led Him To Be Committed - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 55.76 KB | Mar 07 00:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Faces Strong Resistance in the #EU http://ur1.ca/omh2 http://ur1.ca/omh3 | Mar 07 00:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sweden Says It Won't Agree To ACTA If It Requires Any Changes To Swedish Or EU Laws | Techdirt .::. Size~: 36.91 KB | Mar 07 00:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: EU Apparently Agrees That ACTA Should Be More Transparent | Techdirt .::. Size~: 35.72 KB | Mar 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/why-was-i-banned-from-walmart-for-not-showing-my-receipt.html | Mar 07 00:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Was I Banned From Walmart For Not Showing My Receipt? - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 60.86 KB | Mar 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | This man was right, they had no legal right to view his receipt or to search his bags. | Mar 07 00:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopoly #Conspiracy in the White Houses Highlighted by #EFF http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/fed-ip-enforcement-gears-up | Mar 07 00:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Federal Intellectual Property Enforcement Gears Up | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 21.53 KB | Mar 07 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | The only way you can detain someone is if you SAW them steal something, and by you I mean you the salary manager or loss prevention person | Mar 07 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is so worried about a lawsuit that they won't press that issue, that's why the policy is there. They obviously didn't explain it to those hourly employees at the door. | Mar 07 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | The manager can tell them coming back is trespassing. The right thing to do (as the customer) is refuse to sign it and call the District Manager and complain. | Mar 07 00:30 |
| ender2070 | lol swiftfox | Mar 07 00:30 |
| ender2070 | because i dont know "./configure && make && make install" | Mar 07 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, SwiftWeasel | Mar 07 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/walmart-putting-pressure-on-suppliers-to-go-green.html | Mar 07 00:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Walmart Putting Pressure On Suppliers To Go Green - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 53.3 KB | Mar 07 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | They've been doing this for years, skylights, telling suppliers to minimize packaging, etc. | Mar 07 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | turns out it's cheaper when you can fit more on a boat/truck | Mar 07 00:36 |
| ender2070 | yeah its not that they give a shit | Mar 07 00:37 |
| ender2070 | less tucks = more cash | Mar 07 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | right | Mar 07 00:37 |
| ender2070 | i find it absurd how people don't dig that deep | Mar 07 00:37 |
| ender2070 | they say "hey its good, they're green" | Mar 07 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | less fuel, less drivers to pay, less insurance to pay, less trucks to own and maintain | Mar 07 00:38 |
| ender2070 | I asked the D-Link rep at more store what "green" meant | Mar 07 00:38 |
| ender2070 | their definition was using software to idle different parts of their routers | Mar 07 00:38 |
| ender2070 | so you save 50 cents over the course of a year | Mar 07 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, a lot of times they're just lowering their own operating costs and slapping a huge GREEN label on it to get some PR out of it too | Mar 07 00:38 |
| ender2070 | nothing to do with "green" | Mar 07 00:38 |
| ender2070 | "green" would imply, by Canadian standards, an entire manufacturing life which was green | Mar 07 00:39 |
| ender2070 | "MADE IN CHINA" never applies | Mar 07 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's easy. trivial even, to idle some parts of the router | Mar 07 00:39 |
| ender2070 | you can't have something manufactured in China and be able to honestly slap a green lable on it | Mar 07 00:39 |
| ender2070 | label | Mar 07 00:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Great to see my mum @muttoninn still twittering - I can see she is getting into it! Love you, mum! :-) | Mar 07 00:39 | |
| DaemonFC | probably took them 20 minutes of actual work to do that | Mar 07 00:40 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | they still get to slap GREEN in | Mar 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | it also lowers their costs | Mar 07 00:40 |
| ender2070 | not much longer | Mar 07 00:40 |
| ender2070 | i think dlink says "D-LINK Green" now | Mar 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | less parts of the router on at once means less overall strain on the device | Mar 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | means less returns | Mar 07 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Mar 07 00:40 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 07 00:40 |
| ender2070 | and for dlink it helps | Mar 07 00:41 |
| ender2070 | I had so many of their broken defective shit to send back | Mar 07 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 07 00:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Tired. Went out in Walnut Creek last night and imbibed a range of happy juices. Felt happy, now feel tired. | Mar 07 00:42 | |
| DaemonFC | another thing they like to do is decrease how much you get for a price | Mar 07 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/gilette-raises-razor-blade-prices-then-deploys-shrink-ray.html | Mar 07 00:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gilette Raises Razor Blade Prices, Then Deploys Shrink Ray - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 54.52 KB | Mar 07 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | 6 razor blades for the price of 8! | Mar 07 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | gee, what a deal! | Mar 07 00:43 |
| ender2070 | yup | Mar 07 00:43 |
| ender2070 | the global warming ones are the worst scams | Mar 07 00:44 |
| ender2070 | frutopia started selling juice with 25% less sugar, 0% discount | Mar 07 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I lot of food manufacturers do this shit | Mar 07 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | like make something 10% smaller | Mar 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | leave the price the same | Mar 07 00:45 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | *A lot | Mar 07 00:45 |
| ender2070 | yup | Mar 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | or make it 10% smaller and up the price 20 cents | Mar 07 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | noticed that on Raisin Bran | Mar 07 00:46 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 00:46 |
| ender2070 | remember the half sized cans of pop? | Mar 07 00:46 |
| ender2070 | why do they cost more | Mar 07 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | it gets better than that | Mar 07 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | I saw 6 ounce cans | Mar 07 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | tell me why you would buy a set of 6 ounce cans for almost the same price as 12 ounce cans? | Mar 07 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather buy a 12 ounce can and throw some away if I wasn't that thirsty (never happens) | Mar 07 00:47 |
| ender2070 | i think those are the same half sized cans of pop i mentioned | Mar 07 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | but it's just the thought of enriching them for giving me less | Mar 07 00:47 |
| ender2070 | except they are double the price here | Mar 07 00:47 |
| ender2070 | it would be cheaper to buy the full can and dump the rest | Mar 07 00:48 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news/2010030600635PS | Mar 07 00:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Editor's Note: Windows is Easier, Just Like Stabbing Your Own Eyeballs is Easier .::. Size~: 96.83 KB | Mar 07 00:48 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Mar 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: @ the headline I assume | Mar 07 00:49 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/walmart-customer-traffic-and-total-sales-down.html | Mar 07 00:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Walmart Customer Traffic And Total Sales Down - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 54.01 KB | Mar 07 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: not finnished reading it all yet, but seems like a good one so far | Mar 07 00:49 |
| ender2070 | i didnt bother | Mar 07 00:49 |
| ender2070 | i like the headline but i cant stand tuxchick | Mar 07 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Tuxchick you mean Carla Schroder? | Mar 07 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | she has wrote/typed stuff on there before, that seemed like a load of junk when I read it, but the one I linked to is ok. Also she did a Ubuntu Gnome 2 review quite recently or something, after Gnome 2 has been around well years. | Mar 07 00:53 |
| ender2070 | yeah she wrote it | Mar 07 00:55 |
| schestowitz | FOX should be banned. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqf0dRwJPM | Mar 07 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- O'Reilly Interview w/ Jon Stewart (aired and unaired) .::. Size~: 113.16 KB | Mar 07 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: So why don't you like her stuff? | Mar 07 00:58 |
| ender2070 | its always as if im reading about something I already know about | Mar 07 00:59 |
| ender2070 | it also reads very childish | Mar 07 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Very childish how so? | Mar 07 01:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Judge sues Wal-Mart claiming that their poor customer service caused him to be institutionalized http://ur1.ca/omj6 #douchebags | Mar 07 01:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Municipal Judge Phil Bellamy files another lawsuit | phil, bellamy, files - Local - Brownsville Herald .::. Size~: 55.11 KB | Mar 07 01:02 |
| ender2070 | i just read that article and it sounds like the ranting of a high schooler | Mar 07 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Yeah Windows hate | Mar 07 01:03 |
| ender2070 | not that | Mar 07 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: there was this like 50 year old Canadian woman last year, who I spoke to in pm. Her job was embeeding BSD into devices or something like that. She basically said Linux is for Windows haters, and BSD is for Unix lovers. | Mar 07 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | or well that's what she said | Mar 07 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | I think she was Canadian yeah, and the one that mett RMS and didn't like him, if I remember correctly, which it seems I am doing. | Mar 07 01:05 |
| ender2070 | i hate windows too | Mar 07 01:05 |
| ender2070 | its just her writing is bad | Mar 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | How so? | Mar 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: oh yeah there was something else I read, I think a comment to something | Mar 07 01:06 |
| ender2070 | the reason I just explained | Mar 07 01:06 |
| ender2070 | it looks like a high school student wrote it | Mar 07 01:06 |
| ender2070 | theres no substance | Mar 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: or one of her messages on Linux Today, about how she never had any professional writer training | Mar 07 01:06 |
| ender2070 | obviously | Mar 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | substance? | Mar 07 01:07 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | meaning? | Mar 07 01:07 |
| ender2070 | content, point, meaning | Mar 07 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | [07:55:59] <sebsebseb> ender2070: there was this like 50 year old Canadian woman last year, who I spoke to in pm. Her job was embeeding BSD into devices or something like that. She basically said Linux is for Windows haters, and BSD is for Unix lovers. | Mar 07 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is, if she didnt say that in mallace, I can't disagree | Mar 07 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Linux is very much trying to displace Windows on the desktop | Mar 07 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | Mallace meaning? Also displace you meant replace? | Mar 07 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | Malice | Mar 07 01:09 |
| ender2070 | malice ? | Mar 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | Malice meaning? | Mar 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | anyway | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, malice | Mar 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | some people think Ubuntu was trying to become like Windows, but now | Mar 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | 10.04 is becoming more like OS X | Mar 07 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | hostile intent | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu is just trying to become shit | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not linux anymore | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | just because you use the linux kernel doesn't mean you're one of us. | Mar 07 01:09 |
| ender2070 | i can agree on that | Mar 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: it's still a Linux distro, but yes it's becoming a joke really | Mar 07 01:09 |
| ender2070 | i dont even use ubuntu | Mar 07 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | Android is more linux than Ubuntu is, to be honest | Mar 07 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is going a Linspire route | Mar 07 01:10 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 01:10 |
| ender2070 | Google contributes more actual code than Canonical too | Mar 07 01:10 |
| ender2070 | to the kernel | Mar 07 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Canonical take Debian, do their changes to it, well and the Ubuntu community, and then release Ubuntu | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Being a Linux distro isnt about who's code you use | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its about your state of mind | Mar 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | I was in the channel which is for Lucid at the moment | Mar 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | earlier | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ubuntu is all MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the rest of us are going CODE CODE CODE CODE CODE | Mar 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | and someone called me a | Mar 07 01:11 |
| ender2070 | yep | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | even Android is done for the love of code | Mar 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | IRC icon | Mar 07 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its very much a commercial product | Mar 07 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | since I had helped out in the big Ubuntu support channel a lot last year | Mar 07 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | and they were like to me, I am supprised your not a community member | Mar 07 01:12 |
| ender2070 | they wont let you give ubuntu input unless you CODE CODE CODE CODE | Mar 07 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | and I told them how I would be ashamed to be one, because of how Ubuntu is these days, basicalley | Mar 07 01:12 |
| ender2070 | remember the arguements about mono | Mar 07 01:12 |
| ender2070 | "you dont contribute so you cant talk" | Mar 07 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: but that in itself isnt bad | Mar 07 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is | Mar 07 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they CHOOSE who can contribute | Mar 07 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is the opposite of free software | Mar 07 01:13 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | and explained how I didn't want to be one anyway, and that there are some reasons why I would be unlikely to become one any time soon, even if wanted to be one. | Mar 07 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | free software has always largely operated on a "code/tits or gtfo" basis | Mar 07 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | but mono is a "donate your soul to bill gates" kind of thing | Mar 07 01:13 |
| ender2070 | code/tits > | Mar 07 01:13 |
| ender2070 | ? | Mar 07 01:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: code and/or tits | Mar 07 01:13 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Mar 07 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, clearly, we have our priorities straight. | Mar 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: that's an interesting way to put it | Mar 07 01:14 |
| ender2070 | yeah mono is a "forget all the evil things ms does for this cool tech" kind of thing | Mar 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: uh | Mar 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | grr | Mar 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | I was meant to message Diablo-D3 there | Mar 07 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: yes, it is cool tech BUT | Mar 07 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I liked it better when it was called Java. | Mar 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: not the thing just now, the thing about Ubuntu and Linspire | Mar 07 01:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why Im coding shit in java right now? | Mar 07 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Just to spite Microsoft. | Mar 07 01:15 |
| ender2070 | :) | Mar 07 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and actually, java is pretty damned good | Mar 07 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the fasted language of it's kind | Mar 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | [01:01] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu is just trying to become shit | Mar 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | [01:01] <Diablo-D3> its not linux anymore | Mar 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | [01:01] <Diablo-D3> just because you use the linux kernel doesn't mean you're one of us. | Mar 07 01:15 |
| ender2070 | Ubuntu took a sneaky approach | Mar 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | Most Ubuntu users want something that is like Windows, but a bit better, and without the viruses and that. | Mar 07 01:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: its a state of mind. seriously. | Mar 07 01:15 |
| ender2070 | if they came out in the beginning saying it would cost people money, people would have brushed them off like Linspire | Mar 07 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | even redhat isnt that greedy | Mar 07 01:16 |
| ender2070 | now | Mar 07 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat only chases enterprise customers for support contracts | Mar 07 01:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat does _a lot_ for the OSS community | Mar 07 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | there was a good matt asay interview on slash dot | Mar 07 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | answering peoples questions | Mar 07 01:17 |
| ender2070 | its free and they get money by forcing their users into bad things, and if you complain "its free", shut up | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but the funny part is | Mar 07 01:17 |
| ender2070 | bing/yahoo, mono | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | its ALL free | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can load up debian | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and not only do I get linux, but I get all the stuff ubuntu did right, with none of the shit they did wrong | Mar 07 01:17 |
| ender2070 | :) | Mar 07 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: indeed at that | Mar 07 01:17 |
| ender2070 | i like redhat | Mar 07 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has the best support for my GPU at the time being | Mar 07 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | even if debian ships mono, its not like I have to install it | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian doesnt come with anything installed by default | Mar 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: with the exception of having FIrefox in the default Debian install I guess, but that can be installed later on anyway, for those that don't want to use Iceweasel | Mar 07 01:18 |
| ender2070 | fedora doesnt try to make money off me, redhat does by bundling support with a fedora snapshot | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, in the most literal sense, I can do whatever I want | Mar 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: anyway yes, Debian is basically Ubuntu without the crap | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: you have it backwards | Mar 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: I know Ubuntu is based on Debian | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu is debian with extra crap | Mar 07 01:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian loves to steal ubuntu's worthwhile shit | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | its hilarious | Mar 07 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: such as? the software centre? | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | just patches and shit | Mar 07 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | something about how Debian will have a software centre, replaceing Synaptic as well eventaulley | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of maints cherry pick ubuntu's patchset | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, no debian wont have a software center | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | _GNOME_ will have one | Mar 07 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian will never ship with a UI app by default. | Mar 07 01:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember, debian doesnt even install X by default | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | synaptic is also a really shitty apt-get frontend | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure why anyone would use it | Mar 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | when I did Debian testing | Mar 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | the installer wasn't that hard | Mar 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | in a vm | Mar 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't remember having to install X | Mar 07 01:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | you probably selected the desktop task when installing | Mar 07 01:20 |
| ender2070 | synaptic sucks | Mar 07 01:21 |
| ender2070 | i dont know why anyone likes it | Mar 07 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: yeah its shitty | Mar 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | Synaptic is alright | Mar 07 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just makes apt-get + apt-cache harder | Mar 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,but so is RPMdrake in Mandriva | Mar 07 01:21 |
| ender2070 | i used apt-get by hand | Mar 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | and it would be even more alright in Mandriva, if it didn't have a bug, when it comes to installing stuff from it more than once | Mar 07 01:21 |
| ender2070 | just like I use yum by hand | Mar 07 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should, as lol, make a java desktop | Mar 07 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | using all modern java tech | Mar 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah Linspire, and Freespire | Mar 07 01:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | wouldn't that be lol. | Mar 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | bought out by Xandros | Mar 07 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: yes, we all know the history | Mar 07 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | EEPC with Xandros, now days where are the articles and such about Xanros? | Mar 07 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu may be the only way to use Ubuntu and keep your sanity soon | Mar 07 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: probably not | Mar 07 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | kubuntu is a second class citizen | Mar 07 01:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | kubuntu is hated more in the ubuntu community than debianized kde is in debian | Mar 07 01:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Another Python Snippet, this time a generator example - 116 snippets now! Contribute yours! http://is.gd/9QToB #python #ubuntu | Mar 07 01:22 | |
| ender2070 | really? | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, its nuts | Mar 07 01:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Then why do they run it? | Mar 07 01:23 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: because people want ubuntu, but with kde | Mar 07 01:23 |
| ender2070 | the kubuntu people hate a bunch of the ubuntu stuff | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | the kubuntu team has a lot of the same peple as the debian kde team too, btw | Mar 07 01:23 |
| ender2070 | greygeek ? | Mar 07 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | as for Xubuntu someone was teling me not that long ago, that Ubuntu changes can effect Xubuntu as well | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: yes, they can | Mar 07 01:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | but this is why you just run debian | Mar 07 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce under debian is designed not to pull in anything large | Mar 07 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: greygeek? there's someone on Linux Today a commenter called that | Mar 07 01:24 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Mar 07 01:24 |
| *Diablo-D3 uses xfce, btw | Mar 07 01:24 | |
| ender2070 | he works on kubuntu | Mar 07 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | although I may end up using network manager | Mar 07 01:24 |
| ender2070 | hes the force keeping mono out of kubuntu, iirc | Mar 07 01:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont particularly want to though | Mar 07 01:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland is another very well spent time even if the 3D didn't add much. | Mar 07 01:24 | |
| sebsebseb | So what distro for someone who doesn't know Desktop Linux that well, but that wants to get away from Ubuntu? That I will help a bit here and there as well. | Mar 07 01:25 |
| ender2070 | i like network manager | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: well, there isnt one | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: its basically just newest redhat/fedora | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats RPM hell | Mar 07 01:26 |
| ender2070 | noooo | Mar 07 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | or Mandriva maybe, but One has no 64bit version which is daft | Mar 07 01:26 |
| ender2070 | not so much | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they ship _some_ of mono | Mar 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, on the disc | Mar 07 01:27 |
| ender2070 | not really | Mar 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Im not sure which parts | Mar 07 01:27 |
| ender2070 | not on the disk | Mar 07 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | or well there's OpenSuse, but hrm | Mar 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: there was a huge shitstorm about it | Mar 07 01:27 |
| ender2070 | you have to install an app that needs it | Mar 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: hello? suse == novell | Mar 07 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: yes hence the hrm | Mar 07 01:27 |
| ender2070 | i use fedora | Mar 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: if thats true, they need to keep that | Mar 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono is just a gigantic pile of shit | Mar 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | its insane | Mar 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should make a distro that uses java all over | Mar 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | for everything | Mar 07 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: sounds like Fedora is pretty good for some people, but others nope | Mar 07 01:28 |
| ender2070 | gnote instead of tomboy, gthumb instead of f-spot | Mar 07 01:28 |
| ender2070 | abiword instead of openoffice | Mar 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | gthumb is actually pretty bloated | Mar 07 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Fedora has Abiword instead of Open Office in default install? no? | Mar 07 01:28 |
| ender2070 | yes | Mar 07 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 07 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | what's wrong with Open Office? | Mar 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | oo is bloatware, seriously | Mar 07 01:29 |
| ender2070 | 90% smaller | Mar 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | it should be rewritten in java | Mar 07 01:29 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 07 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | Abiword I like it :) it's basically Word 2003 without all those junk features, and a bit differnet here and there | Mar 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | abiwrod is really just write.app enhanced. | Mar 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is, really, eeverything you'll ever need | Mar 07 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | wire app enhanced? | Mar 07 01:30 |
| *sebsebseb has been thinking about virtual maching Fedora again and this time round giving it a proper try in a vm | Mar 07 01:30 | |
| ender2070 | I use Fedora/KDE myself | Mar 07 01:30 |
| ender2070 | koffice | Mar 07 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | I think Gnome is still better for newbies, but yes Mono stuff and so on | Mar 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should write a desktop in gnome | Mar 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Mar 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | Mar 07 01:30 |
| ender2070 | digikam, amarok own | Mar 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | a desktop in java | Mar 07 01:30 |
| *Diablo-D3 uncrosses wires | Mar 07 01:30 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm tired of having to deal with a desktop that isnt 100% awesome | Mar 07 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: bingo | Mar 07 01:31 |
| ender2070 | go for it | Mar 07 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: that's what Ubuntu's Gnome isn't it | Mar 07 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | it was in 8.10 | Mar 07 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | then it got messed up | Mar 07 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | ok maybe 8.10's Gnome had mono to, but I am on about GUI useage here | Mar 07 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe I should rip off that new gnomeshell shit | Mar 07 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | for the lulz | Mar 07 01:32 |
| ender2070 | i think KDE 4.4 is 100% awesome | Mar 07 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, geeqie seems to be the most powerful gtk-using gthumb replacement | Mar 07 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | silly Ubuntu, got to actsually customize it now days, more than twice, before there is something I am happyish enough with to use. | Mar 07 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: thinking about what you put earlier, you were basically saying, Real Desktop Linux users don't use Ubuntu, they use other distros | Mar 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: yup | Mar 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I also said android > ubuntu in this context. | Mar 07 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I'd like to see KDE lose a few annoying little quirks | Mar 07 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | but GNOME appears to be picking up some of its own | Mar 07 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: yeah your saying Android is better than Ubuntu, however Android isn't really a desktop OS | Mar 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well, it should be rewritten in to java then! | Mar 07 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | absolutely not | Mar 07 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: no, Im saying android is a real linux distro, and ubuntu isnt | Mar 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | google wrote android for the love of code | Mar 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu forked debian for the love of money | Mar 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and android isn't a gigantic piece of shit | Mar 07 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, They should write a GUI out of C# and GTK# | Mar 07 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | call it GNOME# | Mar 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: so... gnome 3? | Mar 07 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 07 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | that would be FUD | Mar 07 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: it's ashame, that most new users, will come to Ubuntu first, because of all that hype | Mar 07 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: yes, and I will publically shame them on IRC | Mar 07 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its all good. | Mar 07 01:36 |
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| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: however I think there will be more negative articles, however in that case, I hope they will mention other good distros | Mar 07 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME 3 retains Tomboy as the only C3 official component | Mar 07 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: THATS HOW IT ALL STARTS | Mar 07 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: otherwise a negative Ubuntu article, can put off people from trying Desktop Linux, whatever the distro | Mar 07 01:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: FIRST ONE HOUSE, THEN THE WHOLE BLOCK | Mar 07 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | and stays for 4 years? | Mar 07 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: publically shame them on IRC, meaning what exactly? | Mar 07 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | silly auto complete | Mar 07 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | I need to put in two letters | Mar 07 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | not just one, sometimes it seems | Mar 07 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: ^^^^^ | Mar 07 01:38 |
| ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - +1 | Mar 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: get in the habit of putting three in | Mar 07 01:38 |
| ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - if you noticed, Shuttleworth founded thawte and bragged about it being run using open source, and making him millions | Mar 07 01:39 |
| ender2070 | thawte didn't contribute a lot either | Mar 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | thawte doesnt have anything to contribute though | Mar 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I doubt they did a lot of custom shit | Mar 07 01:39 |
| ender2070 | no but thawte used open source technologies to sell secure services | Mar 07 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Mar 07 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means that, theoretically, they actually were secure | Mar 07 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Publically shame them on IRC, meaning what exactly? | Mar 07 01:40 |
| ender2070 | Ubuntu operates much of the same way | Mar 07 01:40 |
| ender2070 | Thawte did give personal certs away | Mar 07 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: tell anyone in earshot that I slept with their mothers. | Mar 07 01:40 |
| ender2070 | free/gratis | Mar 07 01:40 |
| ender2070 | they give a little away hoping to rake in cash | Mar 07 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Thing is with Debian though, is stable becomes well rather old indeed | Mar 07 01:42 |
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| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: and testing is maybe not stable enough to be relyed on by many people | Mar 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: fail. | Mar 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who uses debian knows that stable isnt for users | Mar 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its for idiot sysadmins | Mar 07 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | use testing. | Mar 07 01:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | testing is more stable than ubuntu stable is. | Mar 07 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | well they take a snap shot of testing repo's and add their crap to it | Mar 07 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | basicalley | Mar 07 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, long after debian already has it | Mar 07 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | so debian is newer than ubuntu. how shameful. | Mar 07 01:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | how can ubuntunites live with themselves | Mar 07 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: yeah and then only security updates from the actsaul repo's | Mar 07 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | need a ppa or whatever if want latest Firefox for example | Mar 07 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: 8.10 loads of Ubuntu users wanted Open Office 3, but nope they had to get a ppa | Mar 07 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | the ppa stuff is a joke | Mar 07 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | major packages should come from their repo's really, Firefox Open Office, and so on, but nope | Mar 07 01:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: welcome to what I said last year. | Mar 07 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: I been saying that kind of thing on IRC last year as well | Mar 07 01:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, but Ive been saying it since the start | Mar 07 01:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hilarious review of Avatar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA | Mar 07 01:53 | |
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| bruce89 | Diablo-D3: hello Nostradamus | Mar 07 01:58 |
| ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - which debian do you recommend? | Mar 07 02:10 |
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| ender2070 | the ubuntu ppa stuff is a joke | Mar 07 02:12 |
| ender2070 | my fedora 12 has kde 4.4, without an experimental repo | Mar 07 02:12 |
| ender2070 | regular updates | Mar 07 02:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: I use sid, but I recommend testing | Mar 07 02:32 |
| bruce89 | private browsing was added to Epiphany on 2006-01-26 | Mar 07 02:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: sid is only useful if you intend on tracking debian | Mar 07 02:35 |
| ender2070 | does testing have kde 4.4 ? | Mar 07 02:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno, but sid has kde 4.3 or 4 | Mar 07 02:36 |
| ender2070 | my distro choice lands on whoever does KDE the best | Mar 07 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian kde and kubuntu use the same shit | Mar 07 02:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | if one gets it first, the other soon follows | Mar 07 02:37 |
| ender2070 | yeah but i dont consider kubuntu to do a good job at all | Mar 07 02:38 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 07 02:38 |
| ender2070 | better than opensuse and mandriva though | Mar 07 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they do, surprisingly | Mar 07 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu just fucks it up | Mar 07 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntuisms destroy kubuntu, basically | Mar 07 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, arguably, NO BODY packages kde well | Mar 07 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | not nearly as good as gnome is | Mar 07 02:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | but debians about as good as its going to get | Mar 07 02:38 |
| ender2070 | i'd argue | Mar 07 02:38 |
| ender2070 | fedora does the best job | Mar 07 02:39 |
| ender2070 | sounds odd I know | Mar 07 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora as a distro kind of sucks though | Mar 07 02:39 |
| ender2070 | I like it | Mar 07 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the hard part of linux is making a distro that isnt shit | Mar 07 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian is the only one to actually pull this off | Mar 07 02:39 |
| ender2070 | i always liked selinux, and I like yum and F12 got presto updates | Mar 07 02:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | if kde is a little fucked up, its not a big deal. | Mar 07 02:39 |
| ender2070 | presto updates are deltas, making updates way way way smaller | Mar 07 02:40 |
| ender2070 | fedora has community groups who focus on specific areas | Mar 07 02:42 |
| ender2070 | and it has a very enthusiastic kde team | Mar 07 02:42 |
| ender2070 | they helped write software for kde to help transition 4.3 to 4.4 for users | Mar 07 02:42 |
| ender2070 | and if u want pulseaudio, fedora will have the latest :) | Mar 07 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery | Mar 07 02:43 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oh christ not that again | Mar 07 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Mar 07 02:44 |
| ender2070 | lol | Mar 07 02:46 |
| ender2070 | I think Debian is the next distro for me to make another attempt at | Mar 07 02:46 |
| ender2070 | I ran 5.0 when it released | Mar 07 02:47 |
| ender2070 | ill try testing or sid though | Mar 07 02:47 |
| ender2070 | i want the latest kde | Mar 07 02:47 |
| ender2070 | anyways im out for now, later | Mar 07 02:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive used debian for 12 years, ender2070 | Mar 07 02:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | so yeah, that should tell you something | Mar 07 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken | Mar 07 03:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: heh | Mar 07 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The answering machine bit.....rofl | Mar 07 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | you know, more than one person has told me to go kill myself | Mar 07 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | but then I told them why I don't | Mar 07 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | what about all the wonderful things in life? What about migraine headaches, car problems, food poisonings, family strife, relationships that are pointless and drag on too long, and occasionally falling over on the floor having a seizure and waking up in the hospital where they have me sign a form agreeing to pay them while I'm semi-aware of the events going on around me? | Mar 07 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | kill myself? and miss all that? | Mar 07 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | hell no | Mar 07 04:09 |
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| DaemonFC | Hulu is full of shit | Mar 07 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | "Unable to stream to 64-bit browsers" | Mar 07 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | it worked last week | Mar 07 05:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Its 5am and cold and Im in a queue behind 30 people to get tickets for Farnham Beerex. Everyone in front of me has a chair.one slept night | Mar 07 05:02 | |
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| oiaohm | Yep the sleep button on by keyboard works in Linux. Just found out when I just bumped it. | Mar 07 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/believing_in_aliens_not_opposed_to_christianity_vaticans_top_astronomer_says/ | Mar 07 05:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Someone has rocked up with a barbeque. I suspect the smell of sausages will start soon. | Mar 07 05:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Person in front of me has done this every year for 25 years. | Mar 07 05:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] ICICI payment transfer suck @icici You scuks #fail unable to tranfer money to my sbi account | Mar 07 05:28 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca | Mar 07 05:32 |
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| DaemonFC | "Since 1997, Nazca has been the location of a major Canadian gold mining operation. The people who were living on the land for the previous 2000 years did not have title to the land, so they were displaced without legal problems. Since then, there have been some attempts to legalize poor citizens' ownership of their land and their fixed property, in response to Hernando de Soto's research on the poor." | Mar 07 05:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] The queue is now forming a rudimentary barter system.we expect to form a basic legal framework shortly. | Mar 07 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Stop Canada's exploitation of Peru!!! | Mar 07 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 05:33 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colma,_California | Mar 07 05:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Yay. Only 90 minutes until doors open. | Mar 07 05:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey, just buy from scalpers and get it over with next time. :) | Mar 07 05:39 | |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, You ever go to concerts? I usually won't. | Mar 07 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | waiting 2 hours in line and spending 15 minutes waiting for a couple $7 beers just takes all the fun out of it | Mar 07 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 07 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | fuck camping out all night | Mar 07 05:42 |
| cubezzz | I don't own any gold :) | Mar 07 05:45 |
| cubezzz | didn't know about that | Mar 07 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, You're all guilty, GRAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!! | Mar 07 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | ':) | Mar 07 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | Canadians exploit cultures that are less advanced to the point of throwing sticks and stones | Mar 07 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | no visible firefights on the evening news makes Canadians more ethical than some people :) | Mar 07 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | apparently | Mar 07 05:49 |
| cubezzz | well historical it seems natives just aren't treated well | Mar 07 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | do it all nice and quiet like | Mar 07 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | "relocate them" | Mar 07 05:49 |
| cubezzz | the average Canadian probably doesn't even realize stuff like that is happening | Mar 07 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | what did that guy say on The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly? | Mar 07 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | two kinds of people, those with guns and those that dig | Mar 07 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think it was something like that | Mar 07 05:50 |
| cubezzz | yes | Mar 07 05:50 |
| ender2070 | natives get free college now, good stuff =) | Mar 07 05:51 |
| cubezzz | I think Canadian First Nations do OK now | Mar 07 05:52 |
| cubezzz | not sure if the money trickles down though | Mar 07 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | some live well here (billionaires), some live in trailers out in the ass end of nowhere with no utilities and no money at all | Mar 07 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | much like the rest of the country | Mar 07 05:53 |
| cubezzz | the rest of the country? | Mar 07 05:53 |
| cubezzz | has no utilities? | Mar 07 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | not when it gets shut off | Mar 07 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | that tends to happen just before foreclosure | Mar 07 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 07 05:54 |
| cubezzz | so basically no money | Mar 07 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | what did I just say? | Mar 07 05:54 |
| cubezzz | always the main problem | Mar 07 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | this town is becoming a ghost town | Mar 07 05:54 |
| cubezzz | well, it sounded like utilities weren't available the way you put it | Mar 07 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | you have three generations living in one house in some cases | Mar 07 05:55 |
| cubezzz | which town is that? | Mar 07 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | I refuse to believe in the "recovery" | Mar 07 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | Huntington, Indiana | Mar 07 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | official unemployment of 15.8% | Mar 07 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | This reminds me of how the post-WW I Germans must have felt | Mar 07 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | or close to it | Mar 07 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | there is no recovery | Mar 07 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | just more public looting | Mar 07 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the Teabaggers are rising up | Mar 07 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't seem like much at first, but before you know it, you'll see brownshirts marching the streets | Mar 07 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | we'd have to get a bit worse before that will happen, but it could easily slide there | Mar 07 05:57 |
| cubezzz | wow, it's small | Mar 07 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Not small enough | Mar 07 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | on April 15th, 2,500 Teabaggers will march on the courthouse here | Mar 07 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | out of a town of 17,00-ish | Mar 07 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | 17,000-ish that is | Mar 07 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, At one point, over 30% of the Indiana population was in the Indiana Klan | Mar 07 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | you don't think this shit can get out of control? | Mar 07 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | our governor at the time (early 1920s) wouldn't take their bribes | Mar 07 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | so they used their plants in the legislature and fake evidence to trump up grounds for impeachment | Mar 07 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | he resigned | Mar 07 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | the Lt. Governor finished out the last year of the term | Mar 07 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | and was replaced by a Klansman, who was our Secretary of State | Mar 07 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | the Klan controlled the police, the judges, everything | Mar 07 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | politicians had to sign illegal secret contracts to do what they Klan instructed, or they would be assassinated or otherwise forced from office | Mar 07 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, It wasn't until the 1970s that we fully got rid of them | Mar 07 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | they marched in a Klan Day parade as late as 1972! | Mar 07 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, If the Teabaggers get a 30% voting bloc, they can control a good chunk of our government | Mar 07 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | force the moderates who won't sign on with them out of the primaries all together | Mar 07 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | get away with almost anything | Mar 07 06:03 |
| cubezzz | the klan still exists as a secretive fringe group | Mar 07 06:04 |
| cubezzz | it's really in the fringe of the fringe | Mar 07 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, The Teabaggers are a second coming of the Klan, ostensibly interested in "taxes" and "big government" | Mar 07 06:04 |
| cubezzz | government can be good | Mar 07 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Indiana Klan, what's left of it, has merged with the local Nazis | Mar 07 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | yes, there's an American Nazi Party | Mar 07 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | government needs to arrest these people and send them to Gitmo | Mar 07 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | while they still can | Mar 07 06:06 |
| cubezzz | didn't they close Gitmo? | Mar 07 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | make up the charges, I don't care | Mar 07 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | no, they haven't | Mar 07 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | Congress is blocking that | Mar 07 06:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think its time to take back our country, to be honest | Mar 07 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans are trying to tell everyone that if we release Osama's taxi driver, then he'll nuke Los Angeles | Mar 07 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | first order of business | Mar 07 06:07 |
| cubezzz | uhh | Mar 07 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | or something | Mar 07 06:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: wanna start a political party? | Mar 07 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, We've painted ourselves into a corner where most of them don't even have a country that will take them | Mar 07 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | but we're the bad guys for not letting them out | Mar 07 06:08 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, you could run for public office :) | Mar 07 06:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: not old enough | Mar 07 06:08 |
| cubezzz | I don't like politics myself | Mar 07 06:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Passing time identifying stars with Google sky map. | Mar 07 06:08 | |
| Diablo-D3 | not only that, I'm going absolutely different routes | Mar 07 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt Canada is going to step up and volunteer to repatriate 3-4 dozen likely terrorists | Mar 07 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | a party requires money | Mar 07 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | no government that's pecking at us over this would actually take any of them | Mar 07 06:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | making money is my job, apparently | Mar 07 06:09 |
| cubezzz | the American Linux Party :) | Mar 07 06:09 |
| cubezzz | I'd be happy if I could get our government off Microsoft | Mar 07 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Write your "MP" or whatever Canadians do | Mar 07 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | tell them you want to sponsor a Yemeni Terrorist | Mar 07 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Mar 07 06:10 |
| cubezzz | we do actually use Linux a bit in government | Mar 07 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | help the Americans close Gitmo | Mar 07 06:10 |
| cubezzz | for example Apache servers are used by most political parties | Mar 07 06:10 |
| cubezzz | except the Liberals, which is kind of stupid | Mar 07 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, For most things, you seem to have a two party system | Mar 07 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | the conservatives and everyone else | Mar 07 06:11 |
| cubezzz | the city I'm in is 100% microsoft :-/ | Mar 07 06:11 |
| cubezzz | and I did mention this to my councilman | Mar 07 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | is it also in debt? | Mar 07 06:11 |
| cubezzz | not sure | Mar 07 06:12 |
| cubezzz | they did say money was tight, but everyone's saying that | Mar 07 06:12 |
| cubezzz | we have a major GM plant in Oshawa Ontario | Mar 07 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | our town and county still buy all Microsoft despite a $780,000 deficit for the year so far | Mar 07 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | and firing public safety workers | Mar 07 06:12 |
| cubezzz | so I assume that things are kind of crappy | Mar 07 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Our mayor isn't up for election until 2012 either | Mar 07 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Mar 07 06:13 |
| cubezzz | for example, I can't pay a traffice ticket online because it's an IE only web page | Mar 07 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, there might not be a mayor's office if the town is insolvent by then | Mar 07 06:14 |
| cubezzz | or pay for a dog license | Mar 07 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | that would be sweet | Mar 07 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | we're at the point where no lenders will give us credit | Mar 07 06:15 |
| cubezzz | everyone would have more money if it wasn't for Microsoft | Mar 07 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | the state turned us down for help | Mar 07 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | and we're firing cops and firemen | Mar 07 06:15 |
| cubezzz | the Microsoft Tax is apt | Mar 07 06:15 |
| cubezzz | well cops and firemen are expensive | Mar 07 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | oh, they also cut trash pickups | Mar 07 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | twice a month now | Mar 07 06:15 |
| cubezzz | well we only have garbage pickup one every two weeks | Mar 07 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | that's going to be fun in August when everyone's trash is baking in the 100 degree heat | Mar 07 06:16 |
| cubezzz | and recycling every week | Mar 07 06:16 |
| cubezzz | so that's not so different from your situation | Mar 07 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | except the mayor shut down our recycling | Mar 07 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | now he's trying to get us in on a Ponzi Scam | Mar 07 06:17 |
| cubezzz | do you guys have a green bin program? | Mar 07 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | some company called Natures Fuel claims to turn garbage into propane or something | Mar 07 06:17 |
| oiaohm | methane | Mar 07 06:18 |
| oiaohm | If you follow all the reactions threw you can get desiel | Mar 07 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the problem is the Indiana Department of Environmental Management won't clear this | Mar 07 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | so they not only likely can't do it, they can't get a permit even if they can | Mar 07 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, So what exactly could they use? just biodegradable stuff? | Mar 07 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | means trash sorting | Mar 07 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | run your truck on dirty diapers and banana peels, it's the "clean" way! | Mar 07 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 07 06:20 |
| cubezzz | small farmers used to compost | Mar 07 06:21 |
| cubezzz | it's not that difficult | Mar 07 06:21 |
| oiaohm | All celeouse stuff DaemonFC | Mar 07 06:21 |
| oiaohm | For one way. | Mar 07 06:21 |
| oiaohm | there is another where you microwave the crap out of plastic and get oil as well. | Mar 07 06:21 |
| cubezzz | that's why I find forests so interesting | Mar 07 06:23 |
| cubezzz | it's a natural stable system | Mar 07 06:23 |
| cubezzz | forest floor detritus, then new growth | Mar 07 06:23 |
| oiaohm | methane happens naturally in land fill. | Mar 07 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.state.in.us/idem/oe/cause/AO/18046-H.htm | Mar 07 06:24 |
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| DaemonFC | see how good oil recycling can be? | Mar 07 06:24 |
| oiaohm | Placing colection on surface really does not harm much. | Mar 07 06:25 |
| cubezzz | well green waste going into landfills probably should be avoided | Mar 07 06:25 |
| oiaohm | There are issues with some green wastes. | Mar 07 06:25 |
| oiaohm | Some pest items need to be disposed of and cannot be composited because they will live threw that process. | Mar 07 06:26 |
| oiaohm | Even long term soaking in water some live threw. | Mar 07 06:26 |
| oiaohm | Either you provide plasma inceneration or landfill for some green wastes. | Mar 07 06:27 |
| oiaohm | That is why green wastes have to be sorted before they get to dump if you are going to treat them special. | Mar 07 06:28 |
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| DaemonFC | "The U.S. Treasury currently owes $1.3 billion to taxpayers for overpaid taxes on their 2006 tax return" | Mar 07 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure they're frantically trying to alert the people they owe money to | Mar 07 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 06:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/burgled-dominos-delivery-guy-ordered-to-pay-back-money-stolen-from-him.html | Mar 07 06:39 |
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| DaemonFC | "The correct answer to his boss's demand to pay back the stolen cash is "Fuck you and your pizza delivery job. I quit. Oh, and here's my ER bill."" | Mar 07 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | DAMN RIGHT! | Mar 07 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | hahaha | Mar 07 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | $20 limit sounds like one of those policies a workplace uses to cover their own ass, gets violated all the time because you can't do the job otherwise, and gets whipped out to make anything that happens your fault | Mar 07 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/why-a-salad-costs-more-than-a-big-mac.html | Mar 07 06:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/check-out-the-secret-mcmenu-item-thats-sweeping-sf-the-mc1035.html | Mar 07 07:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Check Out The Secret McMenu Item That's Sweeping SF, The Mc10:35 - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 54.5 KB | Mar 07 07:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Doors open! | Mar 07 07:13 | |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/tomato-soup.html | Mar 07 07:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Zero Nutritional Difference Between Campbell's "Healthy" Tomato Soups And Regular, Just Higher Price - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 56.4 KB | Mar 07 07:14 |
| oiaohm | There was a nutritional differnce. Sightly more fat. DaemonFC | Mar 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | still, deceptive advertising | Mar 07 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Now what kind of fat | Mar 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's less healthy than regular soup | Mar 07 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Maybe maybe not. | Mar 07 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Particular fats can do more good than bad. | Mar 07 07:35 |
| oiaohm | But claiming 25 percent less salt was deceptive | Mar 07 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | I like tomato soup and grilled cheese now and then | Mar 07 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | I usually buy the good cheese and generic tomato soup though :) | Mar 07 07:36 |
| oiaohm | But there is such thing as bad generic tomato soup | Mar 07 07:38 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Did I ever tell you they gave me a cool plate for no extra fee? | Mar 07 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | The letters/numbers randomly came out 357MAG | Mar 07 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 07 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Now that is good luck | Mar 07 07:56 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, You can cut me off, but you have to ask yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk!? | Mar 07 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 07 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | license plate IN 357MAG | Mar 07 07:56 |
| oiaohm | More theif looks at nicking car. | Mar 07 07:57 |
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| oiaohm | You would have to worry where the owner is. | Mar 07 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmpB_O60fTY&feature=related | Mar 07 07:57 |
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| DaemonFC | the .357 can use .38 special ammunition | Mar 07 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | lots of people target practice with the .38 special ammo cause it's cheap | Mar 07 08:00 |
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| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: less powder, right? | Mar 07 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | well yeah, smaller round | Mar 07 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | but it's also a more common round meaning that they sell more so it's cheaper cause the store buys in bulk | Mar 07 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Mar 07 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I renewed my plate online | Mar 07 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | and no 2 hour wait to get some fat woman that doesn't know how to punch my name in the computer and wants me to bring in utility bills to prove I'm not a terrorist! | Mar 07 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.indystar.com/article/20100225/LOCAL0402/2250443/Police-AIDS-patient-put-26-women-at-risk | Mar 07 08:27 |
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| DaemonFC | "The case likely is the first conviction in Indiana under a 1993 law requiring people with HIV, AIDS and hepatitis B to inform their partners, said Steve Johnson, executive director of the Indiana Prosecuting Attorneys Council." | Mar 07 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | We've only used that once? | Mar 07 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | think about all the people out there probably doing the same thing this guy did | Mar 07 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | well, I guess it may be hard to enforce based on the fact that a lot of people don't get tested or got tested anonymously, aren't taking meds, and the state can't prove they knew they had it | Mar 07 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, it says something about the women he was picking up that none of them bothered to ask or insist that he wear a condom | Mar 07 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | this is what these arrogant/ignorant straight people get for automatically pinning AIDS as the "gay cancer" even though we know full well how it spreads now | Mar 07 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | and that it was in the US as early as the mid 1950s | Mar 07 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | the "gay cancer" and "spread by a bisexual flight attendant" myths persist | Mar 07 08:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | bisexual flight attendants? wehre? | Mar 07 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | Well, a persistent myth is that HIV entered the US via a flight attendant from the UK in the early 1970s | Mar 07 08:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: also, wtf happened to hot stewardesses? | Mar 07 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | but it was actually Haitian immigrants in the 1950s | Mar 07 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | the first confirmed AIDS death in the US is a 15 year old boy in St. Louis, Missouri in 1959 | Mar 07 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | based on exhumation and autopsy several years ago | Mar 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | and this is feasible | Mar 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | likely there were a string of AIDS deaths in the 1960s that were explained as other things | Mar 07 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | like pneumonia | Mar 07 08:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell News Summary: #OpenSUSE and #SUSE Amid Probable Takeover http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/07/gnu-linux-business-2010/ | Mar 07 08:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | so the epidemic was already well underway by the "crisis" of the 1980s, and because of the behavior of a segment of gay men, many victims were gay and got the brunt of the blame | Mar 07 08:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I agree | Mar 07 08:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | its time to take back our country from bill gates | Mar 07 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | now it's predominantly spreading through straight people again due to them thinking it's some gay thing | Mar 07 08:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | who brought aids here in the 60s | Mar 07 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | and not taking precautions | Mar 07 08:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | using vaccination and green energy | Mar 07 08:38 |
| *Diablo-D3 has it all figured out! | Mar 07 08:39 | |
| Diablo-D3 | srsly! | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd call it the straight plague now | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | I better go burn down the neighbors house, they might have the "straight plague" | Mar 07 08:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh noes! I might have the straight plague! | Mar 07 08:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im male, and I like women! Fuck! | Mar 07 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | you might | Mar 07 08:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wait, I use condoms | Mar 07 08:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | haa haaaaaaaa | Mar 07 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | well, smart for two reasons them | Mar 07 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | good | Mar 07 08:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | man why the fuck isnt dr mcninja updating fast enough | Mar 07 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | next thing you know there'll be a little Diablo-D3 running around | Mar 07 08:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: yeah, but the bitch can try to sue me for child support all she wants | Mar 07 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | and the big Diablo-D3 bitching about his ex and the fucking child support | Mar 07 08:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | the jokes on her! | Mar 07 08:40 |
| *Diablo-D3 is terminaly broke! | Mar 07 08:41 | |
| Diablo-D3 | waaaaaaaaaahahahahahah! | Mar 07 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | they'll just get sick of chasing you down and put you in prison eventually | Mar 07 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | besides, I know the legendary technique of falcon punch | Mar 07 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | and the debt stacks up while you're in prison too | Mar 07 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: chase me down? | Mar 07 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Mar 07 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not moving! | Mar 07 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | then they cancel all your professional licenses while you're in there | Mar 07 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | what professional licenses? | Mar 07 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | so you can never pay it back even if they let you out | Mar 07 08:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have those? | Mar 07 08:41 |
| *Diablo-D3 wasnt aware of this | Mar 07 08:42 | |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: and besides | Mar 07 08:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd just sue her for theft | Mar 07 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | I have professional licenses they could cancel | Mar 07 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | but I also don't have any kids | Mar 07 08:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didn't license my DNA to be used in any activity | Mar 07 08:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus she owes me for any children she has | Mar 07 08:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | so problem solved | Mar 07 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, Sue her. | Mar 07 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | tell them you retain the copyright to your DNA sequence | Mar 07 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | and that she pirated it | Mar 07 08:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: exactly. | Mar 07 08:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | the courts cant deny me | Mar 07 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Mar 07 08:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | she has no written legal agreement | Mar 07 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | has anyone ever done this? | Mar 07 08:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 07 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | assert copyright to their DNA? | Mar 07 08:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I suddenly want to try for some reason | Mar 07 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | you know how the police get your DNA without your consent? | Mar 07 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | They give you a cigarette to smoke or a cup of coffee in the interrogation room | Mar 07 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | and get the DNA off your saliva | Mar 07 08:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup | Mar 07 08:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means I'd sue them personally for copyright violations | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'd just turn down the coffee | Mar 07 08:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: this is why I refuse to be interrogated | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, invoke your right to not be questioned without your attorney present | Mar 07 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | then say nothing else | Mar 07 08:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they have arrested me, they're already screwed. | Mar 07 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | actually, don't be questioned at all | Mar 07 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have to tell them anything | Mar 07 08:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nope, I don't. | Mar 07 08:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and after I walk out, I will proceed to sue. | Mar 07 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | the police try to provoke you | Mar 07 08:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm a professional troll | Mar 07 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | play to your emotions or ego or whatever | Mar 07 08:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | the police cant provoke shit. | Mar 07 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | they'll say things to get you to attack them | Mar 07 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | insult you and such | Mar 07 08:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup, and I will also proceed to sue their families. | Mar 07 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | I've been questioned by the police before, they were calling me dirty names and everything | Mar 07 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Just think, the system that they tried to destroy will be used to destroy them | Mar 07 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | just refuse to respond to that | Mar 07 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: man, you've never met me | Mar 07 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can ignore someone | Mar 07 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | be polite, don't tell them anything | Mar 07 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | they could be screaming right in my face | Mar 07 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I can go on as if the room is empty. | Mar 07 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | change the conversation to something stupid and unrelated | Mar 07 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | they hate that | Mar 07 08:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | of course, if he touches me, the guys dead. | Mar 07 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | never know what to do when you do that | Mar 07 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | They were trying to get me to hit them or something | Mar 07 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | cause Indiana law says they can't arrest you for a misdemeanor they didn't see | Mar 07 08:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: you really should run for office | Mar 07 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | so it took them a month to get a judge to issue an arrest warrant | Mar 07 08:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I would have requested a lawyer before they even opened their mouth. | Mar 07 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | and their case was so weak that I agreed to some anger management and that was that | Mar 07 08:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah, I wouldn't have agreed to anything. | Mar 07 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | never even went to court | Mar 07 08:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I would have only agreed to not sue them depending on how much they begged me not to sue. | Mar 07 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | a few months of weekly 1 hour anger management sessions isn't all that bad | Mar 07 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | besides, it didn't work | Mar 07 08:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: well, I wouldn't bother interacting with the "doctor" anyhow. | Mar 07 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, now that it's over | Mar 07 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I hit the son of a bitch | Mar 07 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | cracked him right in the nose | Mar 07 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad I did it | Mar 07 08:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: seriously though | Mar 07 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I have no remorse | Mar 07 08:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Cops can't do anything. | Mar 07 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | and I would gladly do it again | Mar 07 08:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Even they are beholden to the law. | Mar 07 08:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | If a cop wants to hassle you, let them try all they want | Mar 07 08:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | after they are done, sue. | Mar 07 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, http://www.centerfornv.org/ | Mar 07 08:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Center For Nonviolence .::. Size~: 5.27 KB | Mar 07 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | Verbal Castration Therapy | Mar 07 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | best viewed in IE 3 on WIndows 95 | Mar 07 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 07 08:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | And while I'm suing them, I would ask the judge to have the police attend this so called anger management | Mar 07 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | that would be funny | Mar 07 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | see them drop what they're doing every Wednesday | Mar 07 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | drive to Fort Wayne | Mar 07 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | attend the meeting | Mar 07 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | drive back | Mar 07 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | fall in bed at 11 or so after catching up on the backlog like shower and shave, etc | Mar 07 08:58 |
| oiaohm | Best thing I found to control my temper was playing chess. | Mar 07 08:58 |
| oiaohm | I cannot win a game if I get annoyed. | Mar 07 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | get up at 5 AM and get ready to go to work | Mar 07 08:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Thats the hilarious part | Mar 07 08:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could actually imagine attending one of these meetings | Mar 07 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I hope those assholes that had me arrested get fired | Mar 07 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | I guess there's a 1 in 3 chance | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | 10 police out of 30 being fired | Mar 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | I guess losing 10 cops isn't a bad thing really | Mar 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | most of the crime here is nonviolent anyway | Mar 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | mostly just drugs | Mar 07 09:01 |
| oiaohm | Ever seen some of the eddy murffy moive were he in the back of car describing everything that is around him. | Mar 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if someone is using drugs on the other side of town | Mar 07 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | they break into my apartment, I'll blow their fucking head off | Mar 07 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | last thing they'll be worried about is the cops | Mar 07 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 07 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | yep, you break into my home and you should really call the cops and an ambulance ahead of time | Mar 07 09:03 |
| oiaohm | I have had a cop before who stoped questioning me because I was answering every question with a question and decided to wait for my lawyer to turn up. | Mar 07 09:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Queuing for Tickets for Beer" http://bit.ly/daPMWr @opensourcerer :) | Mar 07 09:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Queuing for Tickets for Beer | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 23.41 KB | Mar 07 09:05 |
| oiaohm | Done nothing wrong. Other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. | Mar 07 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Just don't answer them | Mar 07 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | they'll pick up on whatever they can take | Mar 07 09:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So how come Woolf gets a title shot when he was eliminated in 1st round of number one contender? Wheres Anderson? Sort it out TNA.... | Mar 07 09:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] if you are going to make a number one contenders match at least keep it consistent why give Woolf the shot? | Mar 07 09:06 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, If you know their case is really weak, just shut up and let your lawyer do everything | Mar 07 09:07 |
| oiaohm | Again that depends how you are answering them. I was really giving nothing. | Mar 07 09:07 |
| oiaohm | Really the cop was screwing up and giving more and more information. | Mar 07 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Do you have to answer their questions in Australia or do you have a right to refuse questioning? | Mar 07 09:08 |
| oiaohm | I could have refused out right | Mar 07 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | If you must answer, I would just say "I have no recollection of that at this time" | Mar 07 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 07 09:08 |
| oiaohm | I had done verbal combat training. | Mar 07 09:08 |
| oiaohm | I needing some prac I was gulity of nothing cop wanting to question good prac | Mar 07 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Biggest liability here is stupid friends in your car with you running their damned mouths | Mar 07 09:09 |
| oiaohm | I wasted over half and hour on what drinks they had on offer by the way. | Mar 07 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | I had to tell them to shut their mouths and let me do the talking one night | Mar 07 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie they offered me a drink. So I followed with questions. | Mar 07 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | stuffed all the contraband under the seat | Mar 07 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | I locked the doors and refused a search | Mar 07 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | they gave up and went away, took a while | Mar 07 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Block of search here is not exactly possiable. | Mar 07 09:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah see, we have rights in the US, oiaohm | Mar 07 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Not the words not exactly possiable. | Mar 07 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Here, they can search three ways. 1 You give permission. They like to trick you into giving it by weasel wording their questions. | Mar 07 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | 2. They have a warrant. nothing you can do here | Mar 07 09:12 |
| oiaohm | You cannot stop them searching what is in plain view to anyone entering the car/house | Mar 07 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | 3. They look inside and see something in plain sight | Mar 07 09:12 |
| oiaohm | But you can stop them opening anything. | Mar 07 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie cannot stop the search of anything that anyone could walk threw and see. | Mar 07 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Also, someone who doesn't live at your house can invite the police in | Mar 07 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | and anything they see can be used as grounds to arrest you | Mar 07 09:13 |
| oiaohm | Techicanly here anyone can invite them in. | Mar 07 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | other people in your house or car are your biggest liability when the police want in | Mar 07 09:14 |
| oiaohm | They cannot force there way past locks or snoop in closed areas. | Mar 07 09:14 |
| oiaohm | Without warrent. | Mar 07 09:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: this is why everyone should be educated on how to deal with police | Mar 07 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | open door is an invitation | Mar 07 09:14 |
| oiaohm | Now refusing to let them in where you would allow guests is breach of law here. | Mar 07 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, When you have music blasting and everyone is drunk or stoned | Mar 07 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Since you should be friendly with police. | Mar 07 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy for the police to walk right in | Mar 07 09:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: this is why you dont have drunk or stoned people in | Mar 07 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I was at someone elses house, drunk stoned, and tripping | Mar 07 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was not in a position to stand up | Mar 07 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | much less run | Mar 07 09:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Do not associate with scum. | Mar 07 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | I was, immobilized, by several different things | Mar 07 09:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Then DaemonFC, you are scum. | Mar 07 09:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | How about that. | Mar 07 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | sure, why not? | Mar 07 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Fun thing about warrants here you can demard that NDA's and the like have to be signed before they can search. DaemonFC | Mar 07 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | Not like I'm a habitual druggie. | Mar 07 09:17 |
| oiaohm | I don't think you can demard the police sign NDA's before searching over there. DaemonFC | Mar 07 09:17 |
| oiaohm | Of course courts are not restricted by NDA's here. | Mar 07 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, No, only signature is the judge's | Mar 07 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't let them in, they can break down the door | Mar 07 09:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd sue for destruction of property as well. | Mar 07 09:18 |
| oiaohm | With NDA you cannot exactly refuse to let them in. | Mar 07 09:18 |
| oiaohm | But you can demard each searcher signs one. | Mar 07 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, If they don't find anything, you can sue them for the damage to your door | Mar 07 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 07 09:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | If they find anything, then I also sue for theft of property | Mar 07 09:19 |
| oiaohm | this is handy you know exactly what police officers searched your house. | Mar 07 09:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | since there is nothing in my house that is illegal. | Mar 07 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I never have drugs in my home, well, except for once several years ago | Mar 07 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | but I was 19 and it was the only private place to do anything | Mar 07 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | Seriously, people who knowingly violate the law, cops or not, need to be sent out of society | Mar 07 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | they can live in the woods behind walmart like the pedophiles and the rapists | Mar 07 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's just weed man | Mar 07 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't deserve to be cast down with those people | Mar 07 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 09:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | Cops become cops, not out of a love for justice, but because of mental illness. | Mar 07 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | people who smoke pot are not in the league of child molesters and rapists and thieves | Mar 07 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what those PSAs lie about | Mar 07 09:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im talking about cops you idiot. | Mar 07 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Mar 07 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, smoking pot is knowingly violating the law | Mar 07 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | now ask if I care | Mar 07 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, and its an unconstitutiional law | Mar 07 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | any law that knowingly harms the general public is enforced by people who are anti-american. | Mar 07 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | unconstitutional? Maybe the federal laws. | Mar 07 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Before pot was out lawed australia use to produce hemp in tons. | Mar 07 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | state level ones probably aren't | Mar 07 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | states can get away with a alot of laws the feds can't | Mar 07 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Really hemp is a lot better to grow than cotten. | Mar 07 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: state ones can also be unconstitutional | Mar 07 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes | Mar 07 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a superior product. | Mar 07 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | in all ways. | Mar 07 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | If they directly violate the US constitution or the constitution of that state, yes | Mar 07 09:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | the cotton cartel is just like any other | Mar 07 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | they are invalid | Mar 07 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Lot of research here is trying to bring hemp back without the drug factor. | Mar 07 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Its a water factor. | Mar 07 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: except you're wrong | Mar 07 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | real hemp has no THC | Mar 07 09:24 |
| oiaohm | cotton takes tons of watter. | Mar 07 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I assert that cigarettes and alcohol should be illegal | Mar 07 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is a sister species that doesn't contain the active ingrediant | Mar 07 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | they kill or cause the deaths of tens of thousands of people every year | Mar 07 09:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: under the wording of our laws, they already are. | Mar 07 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Small amount of THC means no pest problems. Diablo-D3 | Mar 07 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | weed has never been proven to kill 1 person | Mar 07 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Mar 07 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | nicotine is the most addictive substance known to man | Mar 07 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Something does not have to kill to be a problem. | Mar 07 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its worse than, for example, oxycodone | Mar 07 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | if the government is illegalizing pot out of public safety concerns, then alcohol and tobacco should be banned | Mar 07 09:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: mind altering drugs outside of a controlled setting should be outlawed anyhow | Mar 07 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | because those do hurt and kill people | Mar 07 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | and it can be proven | Mar 07 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Really there is no valid reason to tabacco | Mar 07 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | THC, oddly enough, is the best anti-depressant we've ever discovered | Mar 07 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: there never was. | Mar 07 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | tobacco has no use | Mar 07 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just makes you nervous, violent, and lowers your mental performance in many aspects | Mar 07 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | tobacco is worse for you than most drugs they've banned | Mar 07 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has no "good" side effects. | Mar 07 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Ok not quite. tabacco does make a good thing to add to sead storage. | Mar 07 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | spare maybe meth | Mar 07 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: nope | Mar 07 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Kills every stupid pest to go after the seads. | Mar 07 09:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the worst | Mar 07 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | meth kills faster | Mar 07 09:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: only because farmers do not store seeds in ways that prevent access. | Mar 07 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | 6 months in, the person is one of the evil dead | Mar 07 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | teeth falling out even | Mar 07 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Weavels and the like in seads. DaemonFC | Mar 07 09:27 |
| oiaohm | So even if you prevent access some pests can still be in there. | Mar 07 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | I believe that even cocaine is not as bad as cigarettes | Mar 07 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | either way, this channel is getting stupid. | Mar 07 09:28 |
| oiaohm | cocaine natural has a use. | Mar 07 09:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie the leaf is anti altude sickness | Mar 07 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | well, every time the Indiana legislature is considering a bill to ban smoking in public places, big tobacco comes in and stuffs money in their pockets | Mar 07 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | and the bill dies | Mar 07 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | and I actually keep writing in in support of the ban | Mar 07 09:29 |
| oiaohm | You are not allowed to smoke inside 10 meters of a entry to a public building here. | Mar 07 09:29 |
| oiaohm | And you are not allowed to smoke inside eitehr. | Mar 07 09:30 |
| oiaohm | We have a lot less smokers now. | Mar 07 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, There's such an anti-smoking movement that most restaurants are smoke free now by their own policy | Mar 07 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm not sure that a bill will improve things a whole lot | Mar 07 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | I remember early 90s when even Taco Bell had a smokers section | Mar 07 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Ours is by law. | Mar 07 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | it might be the one improvement we've made to society in the last 20 years | Mar 07 09:31 |
| oiaohm | It include sporting venues and all. | Mar 07 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | no tolerance of smokers ruining our meals | Mar 07 09:32 |
| oiaohm | Ok getting rid of beer here is basically impossiable. | Mar 07 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | Applebees just went smoke-free | Mar 07 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | they used to ask me "Smoking or non?" | Mar 07 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say "I prefer nobody ever did, please sit us as far away as possible" | Mar 07 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 07 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, I hate smokers, mainly the ones that won't just take it outside where nobody else has to breathe that. | Mar 07 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | or the ones that stand right outside the front door of the restaurant to smoke | Mar 07 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | so you have to inhale that on the way in | Mar 07 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said they are not allowed inside 10 meters of the door here. | Mar 07 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, All things being equal, I'd like to drag them out to the street by their collar and shoot them | Mar 07 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 07 09:36 |
| oiaohm | The shocking thing to me was how much cleaner bar table tops become after the law here came in. | Mar 07 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQieLfxJykB6mM8QzcDCiCc7-g4gD9E9IKH81 | Mar 07 09:37 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100305/LOCAL/303059953/1002/LOCAL | Mar 07 09:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Justices weigh burden of voter ID | The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind. .::. Size~: 31.88 KB | Mar 07 09:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vulture Fund Still the Only Bidder for Novell http://ur1.ca/onp5 #takeover #microsoft #sco #patents #hedgefund #netware | Mar 07 10:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, If Novell dies, I smell Microsoft partnering with Canonical | Mar 07 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | I Really do | Mar 07 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | they could throw a lot of money to make this happen | Mar 07 10:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Mar 07 10:47 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Mar 07 10:47 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they already did | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu ships mono on the fucking disc | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu is fucking dead | Mar 07 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | not the same thing really | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | DEAD | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont argue with me bitch, Ill cut you | Mar 07 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is as dead as the other few dozen distros that ship Mono? | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Mar 07 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | including Mandriva GNOME? | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | who else ships it on THE FUCKING DISC | Mar 07 10:47 |
| oiaohm | I think DaemonFC is talking about MS sellign Ubuntu direclty to partners. | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | ON | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | THE | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | FUCKING | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | DISC | Mar 07 10:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | YOU CANT EVEN NOT INSTALL IT | Mar 07 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, yes | Mar 07 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | who else ships it ON THE FUCKING DISC | Mar 07 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva | Mar 07 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | mandriva is dead | Mar 07 10:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | next? | Mar 07 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's there on the GNOME edition | Mar 07 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora on the DVD | Mar 07 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's in the default GNOME destop | Mar 07 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Only selling in the USA and areas that have software patents. | Mar 07 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Debian isn't dead | Mar 07 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: I thought fedora didnt? | Mar 07 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | it has Mono by default | Mar 07 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: BZZT | Mar 07 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | fail | Mar 07 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Fedora does not install by default. | Mar 07 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, They don't on the LiveCD | Mar 07 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian doesnt install X by default. | Mar 07 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | on the DVD, Mono is part of the default | Mar 07 10:49 |
| oiaohm | No in Fedora. | Mar 07 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: on the dvd? it sounds like the packages are there, but its just a giant repo disc | Mar 07 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | that doesnt count | Mar 07 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | right, if you click next, next, next... on the Fedora DVD you get GNOME with Mono | Mar 07 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Hmm what version. | Mar 07 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: that sounds wrong | Mar 07 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Normally fedora Gnome does not install tomboy or any of the other mono parts. | Mar 07 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, As of 11, that was the last DVD I used | Mar 07 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Mar 07 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | that sounds like bs | Mar 07 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't have Tomboy in the DVD edition | Mar 07 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | it does have F-Spot | Mar 07 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise I have to start hating redhat again | Mar 07 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think most people use the LiveCD now anyway | Mar 07 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | they promote the LiveCD heavily | Mar 07 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | you have to work a little to get to the DVD download | Mar 07 10:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | it sounds like thats bs if the dvd does it and the cd doesnt | Mar 07 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Or a bug | Mar 07 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | they chucked it off the CD to save space | Mar 07 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | the DVD has Mono in the GNOME desktop defaults | Mar 07 10:52 |
| oiaohm | No it would be a bug. | Mar 07 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Mono is against fedora package policy DaemonFC | Mar 07 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | Sabayon has Mono by default | Mar 07 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, No it's not | Mar 07 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | Moonlight is | Mar 07 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | sabayon is a fucking pile of shit | Mar 07 10:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono or not | Mar 07 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, They have Banshee in the Fedora repos | Mar 07 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Both are DaemonFC package policy also covers what should and should not be default installed. | Mar 07 10:53 |
| oiaohm | If it defaulting there is a bug. DaemonFC | Mar 07 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, complain to them | Mar 07 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | cause it's there | Mar 07 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | Fedora is dead. | Mar 07 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | and mono apps like Banshee are in the repo | Mar 07 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently its had mono since fedora 5. | Mar 07 10:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats fucking gay | Mar 07 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | Mint has it, but that's Ubuntu with a prettier face | Mar 07 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | Arch has no defaults, but Mono is in the repo | Mar 07 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Fedora has stuff in its rep that are against default install policy for a logn time. DaemonFC | Mar 07 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | PCLinuxOS has Mono by default | Mar 07 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Being in rep does not make it a legal problem. | Mar 07 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Because you don't have to install it. | Mar 07 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | Slackware has no Mono and no GNOME | Mar 07 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 07 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | of course OpenSuse is full of it ;) | Mar 07 10:55 |
| MinceR | and no package manager | Mar 07 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's what scares me away from Slackware | Mar 07 10:55 |
| MinceR | mint is ubuntu with a prettier face and signature check failures | Mar 07 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | those tgz packages seem bizarre | Mar 07 10:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: same here | Mar 07 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Ever tried vector linux DaemonFC | Mar 07 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 07 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Its basically slackware with install management. | Mar 07 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | CentOS does not have Mono by default since RHEL doesn't | Mar 07 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | gOS has Mono by default | Mar 07 10:56 |
| MinceR | with install management and the requirement to pay :> | Mar 07 10:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm | Mar 07 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | where the hell do you download redhat at? | Mar 07 10:57 |
| MinceR | you buy it :> | Mar 07 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | ugh | Mar 07 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhats dead. | Mar 07 10:57 |
| MinceR | though their source is probably downloadable | Mar 07 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | the BSDs don't typically have GNOME or Mono as official packages | Mar 07 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME is much hated by the BSD people | Mar 07 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | bsds dont install X by default usually | Mar 07 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | the BSDs almost always recommend KDE | Mar 07 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Redhat source codes end up in fedoras. | Mar 07 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu just meets most of my requirements. Easy package system, possible to get latest x.org and mesa. That's mainly it | Mar 07 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's also the fact that most third parties package for Ubuntu before anything else | Mar 07 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed Open Metaverse Viewer is using Mono now | Mar 07 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | cause Linden's Second Life scripting relies on Mono | Mar 07 11:02 |
| oiaohm | No it does not DaemonFC | Mar 07 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Linden scripting has nothing todo with mono | Mar 07 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt rely on mono | Mar 07 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | it uses code out of mono | Mar 07 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Open MetaVerse just choose to code there viewer in .net | Mar 07 11:02 |
| *Diablo-D3 knows the guy who wrote it | Mar 07 11:02 | |
| oiaohm | Linden own viewer does not use mono. | Mar 07 11:03 |
| oiaohm | On Linux or Mac | Mar 07 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: basically, mono was so goddamned slow, it was unsuable | Mar 07 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is server side, hmmmm | Mar 07 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just needed some of the underlying JIT shit | Mar 07 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mono | Mar 07 11:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mono - Second Life Wiki .::. Size~: 46.64 KB | Mar 07 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | LSL doesn't use mono | Mar 07 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | "You can run Mono scripts from any viewer since Mono actually runs on the server." | Mar 07 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just abuses the shit out of | Mar 07 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | +it | Mar 07 11:04 |
| oiaohm | LSL script ends up in Mono JIT that is GPL. So its not really using anything .net DaemonFC | Mar 07 11:08 |
| oiaohm | And they could rip it back out without clients really noticing. | Mar 07 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: hello? | Mar 07 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | [05:54:47] * Diablo-D3 knows the guy who wrote it | Mar 07 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Hmm did that remove it and have not updated server versions? | Mar 07 11:10 |
| oiaohm | public information Diablo-D3 | Mar 07 11:10 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♻ @dread: wtf is this shit? http://is.gd/9Qy2v GG !gnome, you brought the registry to #linux | Mar 07 11:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: gconf-cleaner - Project Hosting on Google Code .::. Size~: 9.59 KB | Mar 07 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, They already have gconf-editor | Mar 07 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | gconf is basically the registry as XML files instead of as a binary database | Mar 07 11:38 |
| MinceR | and stored per user instead of lumped together | Mar 07 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's that | Mar 07 11:39 |
| *Diablo-D3 was redenting someone damnit. | Mar 07 11:40 | |
| DaemonFC | are 1,000 . files better? | Mar 07 11:40 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 07 11:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Despite (or Because of) #Microsoft ’s #Patent Extortion, #Novell Continues to Focus on #Mono http://ur1.ca/ontp | Mar 07 11:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Despite (or Because of) Microsofts Patent Extortion, Novell Continues to Focus on Mono | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.75 KB | Mar 07 11:40 |
| MinceR | using the filesystem you already have, with its own access control and storing text files is better than inventing a new and fragile filesystem | Mar 07 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Reduces risk of single file nuke causing system to flat line. | Mar 07 11:41 |
| MinceR | but if gconf needs cleaning, that isn't a good sign | Mar 07 11:41 |
| MinceR | (i don't really like the idea of gconfd either) | Mar 07 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I suppose so, because you can pick off . files if you get bored | Mar 07 11:41 |
| oiaohm | Even the etc directly can require cleaning. | Mar 07 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | XML files are not easy to snipe | Mar 07 11:42 |
| oiaohm | All config systems can have left over no longer required configurations. | Mar 07 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Just came across this joke where a-pines (happiness) sounds like "a penis" | Mar 07 11:42 |
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| *DaemonFC wonders what accent could do this | Mar 07 11:43 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 07 11:43 |
| oiaohm | XML compared to poorly documented binary format DaemonFC | Mar 07 11:44 |
| oiaohm | I would take the XML every day. | Mar 07 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | trying to educate idiots is time consuming | Mar 07 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up pulling out Dirk Kempthorne as an example of wasteful Republican spending | Mar 07 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | he was Bush's interior secretary and spent $270,000 to redecorate his office restroom | Mar 07 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | complete with monogrammed hand towels | Mar 07 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | among other examples | Mar 07 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | that was definitely the hardest to argue as necessary though, I think | Mar 07 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I want to be the interior secretary so I can stock my restroom with satin toilet paper laced with 24K gold | Mar 07 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 07 11:47 |
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| oiaohm | http://most-expensive.net/toilets << At least Dirk Kempthorne did not go really overboard. DaemonFC | Mar 07 11:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Most Expensive Toilets in the World .::. Size~: 31.13 KB | Mar 07 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Cap your greed at 25% over fair market value maybe and you won't have 700 appeals in your backlog next year. Just a thought :)" | Mar 07 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | part of my reply to our new assessor | Mar 07 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | "They seem to assess everything for double what it's worth, use the assessments to frame the next budget, then stand there and gawk when people appeal the damned things instead of rushing out to fork over double what they should have been taxed." | Mar 07 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | they're spending more time fighting appeals and reassessing properties than the extra cash they do take in is worth | Mar 07 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's insane | Mar 07 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, What's a wrp file? :P | Mar 07 12:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Catch-up, #Apple Lock-up, and #GNU #Linux Freedom http://ur1.ca/onvd roundup of interest | Mar 07 12:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Catch-up, Apple Lock-up, and GNU/Linux Freedom | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.81 KB | Mar 07 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | I really mean it, Microsoft will try to cut a deal with Canonical if Novell goes under | Mar 07 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | with the management shift, they'll probably succeed too | Mar 07 12:09 |
| oiaohm | What are you messing we DaemonFC | Mar 07 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Mar 07 12:10 |
| oiaohm | I dount you would be messing with amiga archives | Mar 07 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | I downloaded some FLACs | Mar 07 12:11 |
| oiaohm | .wrp files can be a few different things. | Mar 07 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | and one of the files in the folder is a WRP file | Mar 07 12:11 |
| oiaohm | 3d data in a closed source format is another. | Mar 07 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Geomagic 3D wrap file | Mar 07 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | 38.2K | Mar 07 12:13 |
| oiaohm | is another | Mar 07 12:13 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what does file say about it? | Mar 07 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Ok most likely Geomagic3d | Mar 07 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | unknown (application/octet-stream) | Mar 07 12:13 |
| oiaohm | You kinda would expect acrive to be bigger | Mar 07 12:13 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.file-extensions.org/wrp-file-extension | Mar 07 12:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: File extension WRP - Compressed Amiga file archive .::. Size~: 22.85 KB | Mar 07 12:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I think Empathy's IRC is broken | Mar 07 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Mar 07 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | empathy is kind of shitty | Mar 07 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's telling me there are no other users in the other room I'm in | Mar 07 12:35 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, radeon got some nice patches this morning | Mar 07 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | hmm? | Mar 07 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3, in Mesa | Mar 07 12:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://nyti.ms/cBD0Yz - More Scientology cult survivors tell their stories. #scientology #cult | Mar 07 12:47 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | what did they submit now? | Mar 07 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | better tiled rendering support, some minor performance optimizations here and there | Mar 07 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | not bad for a single round of patches | Mar 07 12:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/acHMwn US Census is killing trees to send dead letters and notices that the census forms are coming. :P #waste #government | Mar 07 12:53 | |
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| schestowitz | tessier__: the server has been under exceptionally heavy load for a while. It seems like real traffic, but without proxy we probably turn visitors away (lag). | Mar 07 13:02 |
| schestowitz | tessier, how many hits do the domains BOYCOTTXANDROS.COM and BOYCOTTLINSPIRE.COM receive? These domains might not be worth renewing. | Mar 07 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | Linspire is dead | Mar 07 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | Xandros is a joke | Mar 07 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that Xandros really gets any use outside of whatever OEM contracts they hook | Mar 07 13:03 |
| DaemonFC | The difference in Xandros is what? They still use KDE 3? They use the old Corel file manager? They cost money? They ask you to pay them another $50 for Microsoft's promise not to sue you? | Mar 07 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | WHO would use THAT? :P | Mar 07 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Nobody | Mar 07 13:14 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Mar 07 13:14 |
| schestowitz | We have these domains lying around | Mar 07 13:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't want people to reach a black hole if they look for info on that (there are inbound links) | Mar 07 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Turbolinus is history | Mar 07 13:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA , #patents , and #tax law challenged http://ur1.ca/oo2k #swpat #uspto #corruption #microsoft #apple | Mar 07 13:14 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Broken Laws | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.16 KB | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | SOrt of sold to some Chinese company | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Novell is finished soon | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Probably will be sold in pieces to IBM and others | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | IBM could take Netware | Mar 07 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol netware | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Citrix could pick up the virt stuff | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | SUSE.... maybe SAP. | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Just not Microsoft | Mar 07 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Why bother IBM has deals with Ubuntu these days as well as Redhat | Mar 07 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Mono can be left for Ubuntu to play with, just like AppArmor | Mar 07 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Netware is what people are abandoning and Novell is calling them fools for leaving, right? | Mar 07 13:16 |
| oiaohm | So SUSE is not the only competing shop in town. | Mar 07 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Novell can soon declare a sot of victory | Mar 07 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Even better Redhat and Ubuntu are on two different Linux history trees. | Mar 07 13:16 |
| schestowitz | All 4 Linux companies (server/desktop) that signed deals going AWOL | Mar 07 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Then I can rest and focus on Microsoft | Mar 07 13:16 |
| schestowitz | The hydra | Mar 07 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Do you figure Mono will live on without Novell pouring all the money into it? | Mar 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Mar 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Debian and Red Hat still give good diversity | Mar 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Debian claims tens of millions of machines, excepting devices | Mar 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Fedora claims 19 million unique IPs | Mar 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu claimed 12 million some years back | Mar 07 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu doesn't have the resources to develop Mono | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | SUSE is blech :-) | Mar 07 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Really meego entering as like the LSB OS. Also threatens to upset things. | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I knw | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's good | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Miguel will go to Microsoft | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | And pick some colleagues like Steadfast with him | Mar 07 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | and work on Silverlight for Windows | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Novell dying is NOT good for Microsogft | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Like Peter Judge says | Mar 07 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | and have his OMG APPS!!! on Windows | Mar 07 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Novell was their anal canal to Linux world | Mar 07 13:19 |
| oiaohm | I like lots of the share talkers thinking Novell was some how important to Linux. | Mar 07 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Once thing we can suspect is SUSE might live after all the killing of Novell useless bits. | Mar 07 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the Linux foundation could not find jobs of all the key staff doing key work in the Linux world. | Mar 07 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Really meego is a sign of the Linux world changing. More direct hardware makers taking more of a direct interest in distributions. | Mar 07 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Mar 07 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Nokia and Intel = hardware business | Mar 07 13:24 |
| schestowitz | MontaVista and Wind River become ones too | Mar 07 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Don't forget Orange as well. | Mar 07 13:24 |
| schestowitz | WInd River -> Intel | Mar 07 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see why Suse would live | Mar 07 13:24 |
| schestowitz | MontaVista -> Cavium | Mar 07 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a mediocre distribution | Mar 07 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Suse makes a profit at the moment DaemonFC | Mar 07 13:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it still has the patent burden (Microsoft deal) | Mar 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Expiring in 22 months | Mar 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no | Mar 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Breaks even | Mar 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | After layoffs | Mar 07 13:25 |
| oiaohm | After even more savage layoffs it would make a profit schestowitz | Mar 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | KDE 4.5 has some new features I look forward to | Mar 07 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Like getting rid of the mono guys from the cost sheet. schestowitz | Mar 07 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Like bitbucket in klipper | Mar 07 13:26 |
| schestowitz | They could sell Mono to Microsoft and dump that into CodePlex | Mar 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The Catholics now believe in Darwinian Evolution and admit that aliens might exist.....heh | Mar 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | latching onto mainstream ideas to stay relevant? :) | Mar 07 13:27 |
| oiaohm | That is another reason why MS does not need Novell. | Mar 07 13:27 |
| oiaohm | They have the codeplex that is now a independant company. | Mar 07 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of how they incorporated the belief systems of their enemies in order to convert them easily | Mar 07 13:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they embrace and extend | Mar 07 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Distorting by mixing | Mar 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | the Roman pantheon and the Pagan and Aztec rituals | Mar 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | Voodoo even | Mar 07 13:28 |
| schestowitz | I saw some videos that take Big Bang and attribute that to Allah | Mar 07 13:28 |
| schestowitz | So there's this whole "intellegent design" thing | Mar 07 13:28 |
| schestowitz | The words too are intended to deceive | Mar 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They're accepting mainstream science to make belief in Catholicism less of a stretch | Mar 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's clever | Mar 07 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Creationism | Mar 07 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Not genesis | Mar 07 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Or epoch | Mar 07 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Another one sort of picks bits from evolution that fit a story that still accomodates a deity | Mar 07 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | don't argue with people when you can embrace their ideas and annex the people | Mar 07 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Like saying that it's God who kickstarted evolution | Mar 07 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Some say alens seeded it | Mar 07 13:30 |
| schestowitz | THe alien enthusiasts, obviouslt | Mar 07 13:30 |
| oiaohm | evolution does not try to explain the random factors. | Mar 07 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "They come to check up on us :-) " | Mar 07 13:30 |
| oiaohm | So the random factors could be anything. | Mar 07 13:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's like Microsoft and FOSS | Mar 07 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | If there is the god that they describe, how could anything he sets in motion be random? | Mar 07 13:30 |
| schestowitz | They embrace and warp a bit | Mar 07 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | so yes, evolution is very incompatible with Christianity | Mar 07 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "You can have evolution and morals (God)" | Mar 07 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Like a compromise | Mar 07 13:31 |
| oiaohm | No DaemonFC random says we cannot describe it. | Mar 07 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Does not mean it is. | Mar 07 13:31 |
| schestowitz | But it's like saying, "OK, I'll grant you that we revolve around the Sun, but the Earth does not revolve" | Mar 07 13:31 |
| oiaohm | What we see as random to god could make it perfectly logic. | Mar 07 13:31 |
| oiaohm | There is no need for intelengent design. | Mar 07 13:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm is Buddhist | Mar 07 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Mar 07 13:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a system of conduct, IIRC, not a belief/faith | Mar 07 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Like Yoga, I guess... | Mar 07 13:32 |
| schestowitz | I never got the hang of yoga | Mar 07 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, he's not suggesting we lynch anyone | Mar 07 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's a start | Mar 07 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Really intelegent design is a insult to god. God told us clearly never to try to prove he exists. | Mar 07 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Why would anyone choose yoga over pr0n :-D | Mar 07 13:32 |
| oiaohm | All the people doing intelegnet design is disobeying the instructions of god. | Mar 07 13:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he didn't say that | Mar 07 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, there's popups now that try to send you to twitter to tweet porn ads | Mar 07 13:33 |
| schestowitz | The people who created religion did | Mar 07 13:33 |
| schestowitz | To pretect it | Mar 07 13:33 |
| schestowitz | *protect | Mar 07 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | stumbled onto them in a torrent site earlier | Mar 07 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | I almost spammed the room with that shit | Mar 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | But they wrote it in there so now they should live by it schestowitz | Mar 07 13:33 |
| schestowitz | It has many members | Mar 07 13:34 |
| schestowitz | The religious is the people | Mar 07 13:34 |
| schestowitz | And their kids that they train to keep it | Mar 07 13:34 |
| schestowitz | "Obey, pass on, or go to Hell" | Mar 07 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Damnation as the 'thing's' defence mehcnism | Mar 07 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Social outcasts too | Mar 07 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Lot of intelgent design people get upset when you point them to the bible refers that they should not be doing it. | Mar 07 13:36 |
| oiaohm | That even creationism was anti bible. | Mar 07 13:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/government/article.php/3867876 | Mar 07 13:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: FCC to Call for Government Data Overhaul - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 141.27 KB | Mar 07 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " [PJ: In a perfect world, this will happen... just before the trial transcripts have to be bought in SCO v. Novell. But whenever it happens, it will be a dream come true.] - InternetNews " | Mar 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | I am Buddhist/Christian. Does cause problems. Lot of Christians cannot get the Buddhist point of view that you choose what you believe in. And that lot of buddhist stories are real events turned into fiction to be more tolleratable. | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSvY2Up2EA | Mar 07 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the end | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | As he says, it's not *she* who represents the religion | Mar 07 13:38 |
| schestowitz | She's the one actually following the bible | Mar 07 13:38 |
| oiaohm | I know a lot of Buddhist who don't blieve in god but can quote the bible better than most christians because they truly do read and laugh about sections of it. | Mar 07 13:42 |
| schestowitz | GL re "A Terminally Ill Harvard Law Prof Talks About Faith and the Future" [PJ: This isn't to introduce religion on Groklaw, as many of us don't share his particular beliefs. This is, however, for those of you who think lawyers are invariably sharks and greedy tricksters. I think you will see that they are not.] - | Mar 07 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 07 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Faith | Mar 07 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Faith is believing without evidence | Mar 07 13:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/03/04/BUPR1C9V4M.DTL&tsp=1 | Mar 07 13:47 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://futurist.se/gldt/ | Mar 07 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | New version out | Mar 07 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202445584048 | Mar 07 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | Orrick........ | Mar 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Serves him right. | Mar 07 13:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Messaging-and-Collaboration/Google-DocVerse-Buy-Builds-Bridge-For-Google-Apps-Microsoft-Office-449424/ | Mar 07 13:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google DocVerse Buy Builds Bridge For Google Apps, Microsoft Office - Messaging and Collaboration from eWeek .::. Size~: 118.03 KB | Mar 07 13:52 |
| oiaohm | I expect before end of year MS to openly sue someone. | Mar 07 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Mar 07 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | depends on what Novell does | Mar 07 14:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #OpenSSL #FUD and #Microsoft’ s Howard Schmidt’s role informing the public about cyber-security risks http://ur1.ca/oo70 | Mar 07 14:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Security Disinformation | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.58 KB | Mar 07 14:08 |
| schestowitz | I have a question | Mar 07 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Which countries formally allow software patents today? | Mar 07 14:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: SCO sued someone too | Mar 07 14:16 |
| schestowitz | And died. | Mar 07 14:16 |
| schestowitz | It's a sign of being miserable | Mar 07 14:16 |
| schestowitz | With Mono, Microsoft plants ammunition in many companies it might want to go after | Mar 07 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Not iPhone though | Mar 07 14:17 |
| schestowitz | It can run Mono | Mar 07 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause MS and Apple and patent buddies, since ages ago | Mar 07 14:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_14499487 | Mar 07 14:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/03/microsoft_i-o_data_in_patent_deal.html?ana=from_rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TechFlash_ToddBishop+%28TechFlash+-+Todd+Bishop%27s+Microsoft+Blog%29 | Mar 07 14:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft, I-O Data in patent deal .::. Size~: 49.88 KB | Mar 07 14:17 |
| schestowitz | That's like proactive litogation | Mar 07 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Damages without a court case | Mar 07 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Not even evidence | Mar 07 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Racketeering | Mar 07 14:18 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/2010/03/02/analyst-microsofts-planned-1b-mobile-investment-means-palm-acquisition-unlikely/ | Mar 07 14:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Analyst: Microsofts Planned $1B Mobile Investment Means Palm Acquisition Unlikely « Velocity - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 35.21 KB | Mar 07 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has new VAPOURWARE !! :-) http://www.i4u.com/article31444.html | Mar 07 14:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Has A 'Mobile Surface' Concept .::. Size~: 21.73 KB | Mar 07 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Holy crap!! | Mar 07 14:27 |
| schestowitz | I haven't checked BN stats for about 4 months | Mar 07 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Because of the proxy | Mar 07 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Now I can check | Mar 07 14:28 |
| schestowitz | We have almost 10k UIPs per day | Mar 07 14:28 |
| schestowitz | No wonder the server is at a load of like 3-10 | Mar 07 14:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5498 | Mar 07 14:31 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: It's official: Existing Windows Mobile apps won't run on Windows Phone 7 | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 96.52 KB | Mar 07 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Suicide | Mar 07 14:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Boycott Novell is approaching an audience of 10,000 unique visitors per day | Mar 07 14:31 | |
| oiaohm | Windows CE applications will schestowitz | Mar 07 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Part Suicide schestowitz | Mar 07 14:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] whenever I show the full idea about 'project eduvid', 1st comment I got that 'why don't you apply patent?' Oh man, I am Anti-patent-activist | Mar 07 14:40 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3915669 | Mar 07 14:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft: Blow Me | iStockAnalyst.com .::. Size~: 79.42 KB | Mar 07 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 07 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | nice title | Mar 07 14:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Congratulations Roy, quite an achievement! | Mar 07 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Microsoft-Says-it-Told-DOJ-EC-How-Google-Holds-Search-Hostage-465018/ | Mar 07 14:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Says It Told DOJ, EC How Google Holds Search Hostage - Search Engines from eWeek .::. Size~: 114.19 KB | Mar 07 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, funny how people want to use good products isn't it? | Mar 07 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | or when 98% of PC users get Windows foisted on them, it's their choice | Mar 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6252982.html | Mar 07 14:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Xbox Live now allowing gay, religious gamertags - News at GameSpot .::. Size~: 177.35 KB | Mar 07 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | but when 98% of search users use Google, it's a monopoly | Mar 07 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | evil | Mar 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | They choose it | Mar 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Mar 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | They had Yahoo! | Mar 07 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | can't possibly make two clicks and change the engine in your browser | Mar 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hijacked Yahoo! | Mar 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | To reduce choice | Mar 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, the "not Google" choice | Mar 07 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You noticed Microsoft's comment on Google buying that document company? | Mar 07 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | "This just proves everyone wants Microsoft Office support" | Mar 07 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 07 14:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: does this run Linux? http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/students-develop-rival-to-microsofts-surface/story-e6frgakx-1225835819728 | Mar 07 15:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Students develop rival to Microsoft's Surface | The Australian .::. Size~: 49.33 KB | Mar 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can check, it's in AU | Mar 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Mar 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | This week - not a single headline about Vista | Mar 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Not even one | Mar 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Only 13 about "7" | Mar 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | The lies | Mar 07 15:03 |
| oiaohm | That is even down. | Mar 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | 90 million *LOL* | Mar 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | They claim "Sales" | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Like they did with "Vista" | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | But they don't say what "Sale" means | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can you found project homepage? | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | For surface rival? | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | it has many Linux rivals | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Cheap | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Commodity h/w | Mar 07 15:04 |
| schestowitz | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/03/microsoft-new-windows-phones-wont-run-older-programs.html | Mar 07 15:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft: New Windows 7 phones won't run older programs | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 86.73 KB | Mar 07 15:05 |
| *schestowitz giggles | Mar 07 15:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Tories directly threaten the BBC, live on Newsnight http://is.gd/9SYJO | Mar 07 15:05 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: If you think Ashcroft is a scandal, what about the attacks on the BBC? | David Mitchell |Comment is free |The Observer .::. Size~: 191.3 KB | Mar 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | They should call them "Vista phones" | Mar 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Don't press F1 on the phones. | Mar 07 15:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9163298/New_zero_day_involves_IE_puts_Windows_XP_users_at_risk | Mar 07 15:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: New zero-day involves IE, puts Windows XP users at risk .::. Size~: 124.13 KB | Mar 07 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Problem is lot of cheep Linux rivals exist schestowitz. | Mar 07 15:18 |
| oiaohm | to surface | Mar 07 15:19 |
| oiaohm | http://chai.it.usyd.edu.au/Projects/Focus Found project site still have not got to what OS. schestowitz | Mar 07 15:24 |
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| oiaohm | Boy did he pick a bugger of a name. Almost all unis here have a project called Focus application or applications for under grade projects. | Mar 07 15:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.betanews.com/article/Hero-goes-down-Microsoft-cutbacks-spell-the-end-of-Essential-Business-Server/1267814339 | Mar 07 15:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'Hero' goes down: Microsoft cutbacks spell the end of Essential Business Server | IT Systems News - Betanews .::. Size~: 29.38 KB | Mar 07 15:26 |
| schestowitz | yay | Mar 07 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Another dead product | Mar 07 15:26 |
| schestowitz | No demand | Mar 07 15:26 |
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| oiaohm | Ok no clue what OS schestowitz. The guy has not released any source to any project he as done. | Mar 07 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Even worse his books are sold in Euro's. he could not even find an australian publisher. schestowitz | Mar 07 15:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Dwarfs my own 1000! I would have said welldone in IRC but yet again my service provider is proving unreliable. | Mar 07 15:48 | |
| schestowitz | http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/03/06/apple-approaches-200-billion/?section=magazines_fortune | Mar 07 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: books? | Mar 07 15:52 |
| oiaohm | That is about the only stuff of his currently on offer I can get my hands on. schestowitz | Mar 07 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10005769/apple-and-google-at-war-microsoft-gloats/ | Mar 07 15:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple and Google at War. Microsoft Gloats [UPDATE] | BNET Technology Blog | BNET .::. Size~: 90.17 KB | Mar 07 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Far better off to visit the nuigroup.com at least there I can get code to play with schestowitz | Mar 07 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | Babel Fish is Yahoo's now? | Mar 07 16:03 |
| schestowitz | I thought Altavista still had something left | Mar 07 16:03 |
| Jose_X | hey schestowitz .. http://www.unionsquareventures.com/2010/01/we-need-an-independent-invention-defense-to-minimize-the-damage-of-aggressive-patent-trolls.php#comment-38268540 | Mar 07 16:05 |
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| Jose_X | >> | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | Adam stated the following, | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | > The inventor has to prosecute the invention against all prior art, which is a long, laborious and costly process and a necessary investment prior to taking the next step, investing in the development of software. | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | So perhaps it is out duty as FOSS contributors not to write software that helps society (anyone, everyone) but instead to write patent claims that eat away at society. | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | It would be great to see a STOP FOSS DEVELOPMENT IN ORDER TO PATENT MONTH where (in the ideal case) no FOSS was developed at all for that month and every single contributor/dev worked on building patent claims. While this is going on, we would write to representatives in government, as many media outlets as possible, and even spread the word among the people. Perhaps modify many distros and websites to include information about this. | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | Of course, we would explain just how broken we think the system is and that it needs to change if people want to promote the progress. | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | << | Mar 07 16:05 |
| Jose_X | Here is another great series of questions posed on againstmonopoly.org | Mar 07 16:07 |
| Jose_X | >> | Mar 07 16:07 |
| Jose_X | << | Mar 07 16:07 |
| Jose_X | http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?limit=10&chunk=0&perm=593056000000002658 | Mar 07 16:07 |
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| Jose_X | The short version of that piece is that many adults leverage what kids and others do informally. they create derivative works, in other words.. | Mar 07 16:08 |
| Jose_X | and then make decent money. | Mar 07 16:08 |
| Jose_X | so should the children be entitled to royalties for life+70 years or should then they sign a waiver (which could potentially be revoked once they turn 18) | Mar 07 16:09 |
| Jose_X | and this comment: | Mar 07 16:09 |
| Jose_X | >> | Mar 07 16:09 |
| Jose_X | I propose another whole class of questions like "would the children doodle less if the state didn't enforce copyrights?" | Mar 07 16:10 |
| Jose_X | << | Mar 07 16:10 |
| oiaohm | I have a poem that is mine that I have 70 life years of royalties on and it from when I was 12 | Mar 07 16:13 |
| *schestowitz reads above | Mar 07 16:18 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 07 16:19 |
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| schestowitz | Jose_X: I see... | Mar 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I haven't got around to it yet | Mar 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm sub'd t his iste | Mar 07 16:20 |
| Jose_X | I'll be going. | Mar 07 16:22 |
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| MinceR | http://www.bebox.nu/bebooks/BeBookR5/The%20Kernel%20Kit/System.html#is_computer_on%28%29 | Mar 07 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 07 16:51 |
| schestowitz | pc on fire........ | Mar 07 16:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 07 16:52 |
| MinceR | you shouldn't have made it execute the HCF instruction | Mar 07 16:52 |
| MinceR | ( http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/HCF.html ) | Mar 07 16:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Index of / .::. Size~: 1.19 KB | Mar 07 16:53 |
| MinceR | (also, apparently catb.org dislikes robots, too :> ) | Mar 07 16:54 |
| ender2070 | who dislikes robots? :( | Mar 07 17:26 |
| MinceR | catb.org and winnie.nik.bmf.hu do | Mar 07 17:29 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just back home, after biggg shopping. Got to make an app atleast multi-threaded tonight. Just started working on my backlog :\ | Mar 07 17:42 | |
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| sebsebseb | ABC | Mar 07 17:47 |
| MinceR | DEF | Mar 07 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: GHIJKLMNOPQRSTUV | Mar 07 17:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: WXYZ | Mar 07 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | ÖÄÅ or however the Swedish alphabet goes | Mar 07 17:56 |
| MinceR | they use asciibetical ordering? :> | Mar 07 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ascibetical ordering what's that? | Mar 07 17:57 |
| MinceR | ordering by ASCII codes | Mar 07 17:57 |
| ender2070 | oh my god | Mar 07 18:28 |
| MinceR | yes, mortal? | Mar 07 18:29 |
| ender2070 | they wanted to change canada's national anthem to make it gender neutral | Mar 07 18:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 07 18:29 |
| ender2070 | feminazi's are going too far | Mar 07 18:30 |
| cubezzz | it didn't pass though | Mar 07 18:30 |
| ender2070 | hells no | Mar 07 18:30 |
| cubezzz | anthem remains as it is | Mar 07 18:30 |
| ender2070 | the sane oppossition leader said it was a waste of time | Mar 07 18:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah :) | Mar 07 18:30 |
| ender2070 | its borderline traitorous to suggest it | Mar 07 18:31 |
| MinceR | so, are you going to convict some feminists for high treason now? :> | Mar 07 18:32 |
| ender2070 | subverting the national anthem for political agendas? | Mar 07 18:35 |
| ender2070 | its one word in in anthem | Mar 07 18:36 |
| ender2070 | "and all thy sons command" | Mar 07 18:36 |
| cubezzz | Duceppe is still making separist comments | Mar 07 18:37 |
| cubezzz | but it seems that never ends | Mar 07 18:38 |
| cubezzz | got to love the Bloc Québécois :) | Mar 07 18:39 |
| cubezzz | 1980 and then again in 1995 | Mar 07 18:41 |
| cubezzz | and nothing much since then | Mar 07 18:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] That's six times this weekend that compiling Wine for Windows has made my laptop overheat and switch itself off. T3H H0RR0R T3H H0RR0R | Mar 07 18:48 | |
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| *schestowitz listens http://www.twit.tv/floss111 | Mar 07 19:35 | |
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| schestowitz | > The Department of Homeland Defense is asking people what they should do about | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > the espionage and denial of service problems created by Microsoft Windows. | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/48707-homeland-security-wants-to-pick-your-brains | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 07 19:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Homeland Security wants to pick your brains | TG Daily .::. Size~: 43.66 KB | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > The competition brief says entries should "engage the Private Sector and | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > Industry leaders to develop their own campaign strategy and metrics to track | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > how to get a unified cyber security message out to the American public." | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > People interested should mail: | Mar 07 19:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > cyberchallenge@dhs.gov | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > I think this is a good opportunity to tell people to use free software, which | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > is the message people should carry however they like. I have already sent my | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > suggestion to this address and think everyone should. DHS, I imagine, | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > already has free software advocates on a list somewhere so there's not much | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | > to lose. | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe people from the US can mail them? | Mar 07 19:42 |
| schestowitz | "Subject: Tell Uncle Sam to Stop Using Windows." | Mar 07 19:42 |
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| _goblin | lets see how long I can last with O2 spitting me out again... | Mar 07 19:51 |
| _goblin | bit quiet in here tonight | Mar 07 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://washingtonindependent.com/78129/microsoft-distances-itself-from-chamber-of-commerce-on-climate | Mar 07 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: yeah... | Mar 07 20:08 |
| _goblin | think Im off to watch TV..... | Mar 07 20:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Microsoft is killing more products | Mar 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you should write about it. | Mar 07 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-to-Discontinue-Windows-Essential-Business-Server-619922/ | Mar 07 20:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft to Discontinue Windows Essential Business Server - Windows from eWeek .::. Size~: 106.58 KB | Mar 07 20:24 |
| _goblin | sorry....back again...... | Mar 07 20:25 |
| _goblin | there been a few recently..... | Mar 07 20:25 |
| _goblin | I expect its "streamlining" | Mar 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | You've been busy with the toddlers, eh? | Mar 07 20:26 |
| _goblin | although, maybe (if as I and many others had said in the past) they had concentrated on making one or two products the best they could be, then MS wouldn't find itself in the position it is today. | Mar 07 20:26 |
| _goblin | and yes one of many tasks Ive had today! | Mar 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Linux makes it hard for Microsoft | Mar 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They can't charge much for anything anymore | Mar 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Not even WIndows | Mar 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7... | Mar 07 20:26 |
| _goblin | I think anything which is better than Windows is a problem....MS no longer can hold users to ransom with saying "there is no alternative" anymore. | Mar 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Reading MSFT news is fun today | Mar 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | They do very badly | Mar 07 20:27 |
| _goblin | Ive been reading up on FACT | Mar 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I wasted/spent at least 3 hours this week studying Konq... debugging it too/finding workarounds | Mar 07 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is still very good to me... over 20 plugins | Mar 07 20:28 |
| _goblin | o2 has been playing me up.....had not much time on the net. | Mar 07 20:28 |
| _goblin | this weekend | Mar 07 20:28 |
| _goblin | Ive still got to make a dent in my BSG box ser | Mar 07 20:29 |
| _goblin | *set | Mar 07 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-05/nuance-climbs-most-in-three-months-on-takeover-speculation.html | Mar 07 20:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nuance Jumps Most Since November on Takeover Chatter (Update1) - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 46.23 KB | Mar 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | " Richard Mack, a Nuance spokesman, said the company doesn’t comment on rumors or speculation. Mark Murray, a spokesman for Microsoft, and Andrew Pederson, a spokesman for Google, declined to comment.' | Mar 07 20:37 |
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| _goblin | schestowitz: always go no comment...best advice. | Mar 07 20:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] 3 laptops, one desktop on my desk. It's Update-Sunday! | Mar 07 20:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] making template for right click http://post.ly/RKgZ | Mar 07 20:54 | |
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| schestowitz | This site seems to be obsessed with BN, citing it almost every day.. http://www.tmrepository.com/fudtracker/you-dont-know-schestowitz/#comments | Mar 07 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=46574806 | Mar 07 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | “People think of Ubuntu as Linux, or Red Hat (NYSE: RHT) as Linux, or they think of Debian as Linux. But actually the real work gets done in many upstream communities. The distributions get a lot of credit. And our focus has been to really try to serve those upstream communities well by delivering their code to users on a very predictable schedule with the highest levels of quality and integration.” | Mar 07 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | From http://www.technewsworld.com/story/69444.html?wlc=1267800917 | Mar 07 21:13 |
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| cubezzz | well there's stuff from BSD too | Mar 07 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/03/oh-the-indignity/ | Mar 07 21:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oh, the indignity! | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 71.5 KB | Mar 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes. | Mar 07 21:14 |
| cubezzz | a good part of BSD code can just compile over | Mar 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Importantly so | Mar 07 21:14 |
| schestowitz | FreeBSD and the GPL | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | | Linus Torvalds has said Linux wouldn't have | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | | happened if 386BSD had been around when he | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | | started up. We trace the history of FreeBSD and | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | | how it's affected the open source world. | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itpro.co.uk/620659/freebsd-and-the-gpl | Mar 07 21:15 |
| cubezzz | yes, it's important :) | Mar 07 21:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: IT PRO | FreeBSD and the GPL .::. Size~: 39.51 KB | Mar 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Purplebuntu http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/03/hands-on-a-close-look-at-ubuntus-new-non-brown-theme.ars | Mar 07 21:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hands-on: a close look at Ubuntu's new non-brown theme .::. Size~: 31.93 KB | Mar 07 21:15 |
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| cubezzz | but just as important was the anti-trust laws and the break-up of AT&T | Mar 07 21:15 |
| cubezzz | and of course Bell Labs writing Unix in the first place | Mar 07 21:16 |
| cubezzz | I definitely recall not loving Unix at first | Mar 07 21:16 |
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| cubezzz | now I can't imagine PCs without it | Mar 07 21:17 |
| MinceR | the first unix i've ever used was gnu/linux | Mar 07 21:17 |
| cubezzz | that is, a 100% windows world... yuck | Mar 07 21:17 |
| MinceR | but i've ssh-ed into some proprietary unixes | Mar 07 21:17 |
| MinceR | and found them all to be behind gnu/linux :> | Mar 07 21:17 |
| cubezzz | ah, well, you came along later :) | Mar 07 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] wow, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS will be released on my birthdate, 29 april :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | Mar 07 21:17 | |
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| cubezzz | the closed source Unixes were not as appealing | Mar 07 21:18 |
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| _goblin | the first time I tried something other than Windows was 2004. | Mar 07 21:18 |
| _goblin | OpenSUSE I believe. | Mar 07 21:18 |
| cubezzz | in the 80's we had SCO Unix System V, and I can tell you it wasn't anywhere as fun as GNU/Linux | Mar 07 21:18 |
| cubezzz | I know BSD was around, but I just didn't encounter it back then | Mar 07 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/03/omg-is-it-clone-of-mac-osx-you-decide.html | Mar 07 21:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: OMG! Is it a clone of Mac OSX? You decide | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 90.9 KB | Mar 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/03/and-ubuntu-changed-again.html | Mar 07 21:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: And Ubuntu changed again! | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 94.79 KB | Mar 07 21:20 |
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| cubezzz | what are you talking about _goblin? | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: opensuse in 2004??? | Mar 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I think it was created in 05 | Mar 07 21:21 |
| cubezzz | you had AmigaDOS :) | Mar 07 21:21 |
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| cubezzz | everyone, try to remember the world was around before doze :) | Mar 07 21:22 |
| cubezzz | it's hard to imagine now, but at one time PC games were all dos based | Mar 07 21:23 |
| cubezzz | Unix is _the_ template | Mar 07 21:24 |
| cubezzz | MS DOS is the crappy bastard child of Unix | Mar 07 21:24 |
| cubezzz | then (illogically) MS DOS was the foundation for windows | Mar 07 21:24 |
| MinceR | actually i wonder what's the relationship between Unix and CP/M | Mar 07 21:25 |
| MinceR | since m$-do$ was just a clone of cp/m-86 made of stolen code from it | Mar 07 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Staff too | Mar 07 21:26 |
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| cubezzz | well... | Mar 07 21:27 |
| cubezzz | Various aspects of CP/M were influenced by the TOPS-10 operating system of the DECsystem-10 mainframe computer, which Kildall had used as a development environment. | Mar 07 21:27 |
| cubezzz | so I guess you could say CP/M was the child of TOPS-10 | Mar 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/23760819 | Mar 07 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | "@redbrain, I have a Master's in CS w/ focus on compilers & VMs. After grad school, worked at !fsf for 5 yrs after that." FOSS lawyers are often programmers too, Moglen for example | Mar 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no | Mar 07 21:28 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: sorry afk.....might have been 2005 then...It didn;t stay on my sytem for long and I didn't go back properly to Linux until 8.04LTS was released. | Mar 07 21:28 |
| cubezzz | TOPS-10 died in the late 80's | Mar 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft invented the OS | Mar 07 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Before Microsoft, there was darkness | Mar 07 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Then Microsoft inveted the GI | Mar 07 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And the word processor | Mar 07 21:29 |
| cubezzz | riiiight :) | Mar 07 21:29 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's called Word :-) | Mar 07 21:29 |
| cubezzz | except one thing... | Mar 07 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And they invented Web browsing, and gaming... and yo momma! | Mar 07 21:29 |
| cubezzz | I was there before all that :) | Mar 07 21:29 |
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| _goblin | they invented Bing! | Mar 07 21:29 |
| cubezzz | true :) | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yeah | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | But tomorrow's generation can be young and naive | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft rewrites history already | Mar 07 21:30 |
| _goblin | and they also proved the theory that people are stupid enough to pay for just about anything. | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It also claims to own Linux | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It's wonderful INNOVA~1 | Mar 07 21:30 |
| cubezzz | oh they are for sure to a large degree | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: they don't pay | Mar 07 21:30 |
| cubezzz | hey, no making fun of 8.3 filenames! :) | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | They buy a computer | Mar 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft 'whacks' OEMs | Mar 07 21:30 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: MS Office? | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | People have no choice | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Formats | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Thus ODF | Mar 07 21:31 |
| cubezzz | now I'm wondering did OEMs ever support non microsoft OSes? | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | It's changing | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Google Apps too | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Where formats matter less | Mar 07 21:31 |
| cubezzz | they must have at some point in time | Mar 07 21:31 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: not with office....I thought it was Works which was free...you then bought office... | Mar 07 21:31 |
| VinceD | My Amstrad came with GEM so yeah at one time they did. | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | OS/2 | Mar 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | And other DOSes | Mar 07 21:31 |
| _goblin | vinceD: you had an amstrad...so did I....a 286...still got it. | Mar 07 21:32 |
| cubezzz | and Atari ST of course used GEM | Mar 07 21:32 |
| _goblin | vinceD: mine is the model which is shaped like the Battlestar Galatica. | Mar 07 21:32 |
| cubezzz | damn, I miss Commodore :-/ | Mar 07 21:32 |
| _goblin | me too | Mar 07 21:32 |
| cubezzz | why did Commodore have to die? | Mar 07 21:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Go vote for your distro... http://ur1.ca/opc3 | Mar 07 21:32 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Which Linux distribution do you use most frequently? | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 97.55 KB | Mar 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | PR watch is down :-( | Mar 07 21:33 |
| VinceD | eww Ubuntu | Mar 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Not too bad | Mar 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Just a third | Mar 07 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | it means, if extrapolated, that about 40 million people use GNU/Linux desktop | Mar 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | But I don't think you can extrapolate | Mar 07 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://status.net/2010/02/25/statusnet-inc-launches-statusnet-enterprise-network | Mar 07 21:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: StatusNet Inc Launches StatusNet Enterprise Network | StatusNet .::. Size~: 29.02 KB | Mar 07 21:39 |
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| VinceD | Anyways guys, do you like OpenSUSE or not, I noticed Boycott Novell was listed for embedded on one of my OpenSUSE 11.2 reviews? I just figured with a name like Boycott Novell you wouldn't have been. | Mar 07 21:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Oh, I think I got it on how to use eet_data_descriptors :) | Mar 07 21:41 | |
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| cubezzz | Paul Allen maintains several publicly accessible historic computer systems, including a DECsystem-1090 running TOPS-10.[9] | Mar 07 21:48 |
| cubezzz | [edit] | Mar 07 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | Damn: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100305184503691 | Mar 07 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | VinceD: I don't mind OpenSUSE | Mar 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | It might soon get disconnected from Novell | Mar 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | It would be a form of blessing if they can put that patent deal in the trash | Mar 07 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Novell's deal ain't theirs, but many are Novell employees | Mar 07 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/oh-dear-qt-incompatibility-on-the-horizon/ | Mar 07 22:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oh dear! Qt incompatibility on the horizon « Markus’ Little Blog .::. Size~: 42.05 KB | Mar 07 22:07 |
| _goblin | Ive a couple of questions, for someone clever enough to answer....... | Mar 07 22:07 |
| _goblin | Q.1. | Mar 07 22:07 |
| _goblin | How does Wordpress make money? | Mar 07 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | The former-MSFTer is still spreading Mono promotion http://www.tomshardware.com/news/linux-ubuntu-kernel-world-domination,9813.html | Mar 07 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: services | Mar 07 22:08 |
| _goblin | and many people get the extras? | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Akismt commercially, support, wordpress.com.. | Mar 07 22:09 |
| _goblin | Ive been using it for 1.5 years and havent made a dent in the free features yet. | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: quite a few sites host on WordPress | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | They have good uptime | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Very good | Mar 07 22:09 |
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| _goblin | ok.... | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | They tried Solaris at one stage | Mar 07 22:09 |
| _goblin | Q.2. | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | GigaOM Network uses it | Mar 07 22:09 |
| VinceD | schestowitz, ah okay cool | Mar 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I was close to the WordPress dev community for years | Mar 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I saw it rise from 20k users to millions | Mar 07 22:10 |
| _goblin | Q.2. Is the "resolv.conf" file read every time an address is accessed or only at the time you start up your browser? | Mar 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | I was among the early adopter.. the co-founder lives here in Stockport and we met | Mar 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: depends on browser | Mar 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | It can cache it | Mar 07 22:11 |
| _goblin | Chromium? | Mar 07 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Konq gave me a hard time | Mar 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | 3 days was enough w/ it..... | Mar 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Long time to resolve, then expiring... | Mar 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxers.org/article/linux-nvidia-drivers-might-also-have-gpu-fan-speed-issue | Mar 07 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | Blech | Mar 07 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | This due only even flames....... http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/03/05/a-shared-object-is-not-enough | Mar 07 22:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Descaramento da RIAA atinge novo recorde baixo-nível (via@mind_booster):RIAA Claims Music Pirates Hurt Haiti Fund Raising http://ff.im/h6E0y | Mar 07 22:20 | |
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| _goblin | lol | Mar 07 22:22 |
| _goblin | I must have annoyed someone | Mar 07 22:22 |
| _goblin | http://twitter.com/gblnscnt/cunts | Mar 07 22:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lol...I must have annoyed someone with a low IQ and weak argument! Beware, bad language ahead! http://tinyurl.com/ybm7arl | Mar 07 22:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Well that Twitter list is the first exciting thing online tonight. Great stuff! Is that the best people can counter me with? oh dear lol. | Mar 07 22:26 | |
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| schestowitz | http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=1&id=20120 | Mar 07 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: I saw that argument before you | Mar 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | In DirtDirt... re Haiti-RIAA | Mar 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | *TechDirt | Mar 07 22:37 |
| _goblin | what my view or just the article? | Mar 07 22:38 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/03/birth-defects-blamed-weapons/ | Mar 07 22:38 |
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| _goblin | silly isn't it that an infringer can point the finger at the RIAA whilst condone the distribution of it for free. | Mar 07 22:38 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: the whole debate | Mar 07 22:38 |
| _goblin | ah.... | Mar 07 22:38 |
| _goblin | I linked the article I saw... | Mar 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.shewan.co.uk/blog/?p=1088 | Mar 07 22:39 |
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| _goblin | torrentfreak.com | Mar 07 22:39 |
| _goblin | I just love the double standards....or hypocricy.... | Mar 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jan-apr.html#7%20March%202010%20%28Tokophobia%29 "Many women are terrified of giving birth. I can't see why anyone wouldn't be terrified of something so painful." | Mar 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | "Since population growth exacerbates many world problems, if a woman (or a man) is afraid to have children, the best response is help in avoiding it." | Mar 07 22:40 |
| _goblin | its a little like Ballmer calling Linux a cancer and Microsoft apparently "loving the FOSS" | Mar 07 22:40 |
| schestowitz | US facing surge in rightwing extremists and militias | Mar 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | • Civil rights report shows 250% rise in 'patriot' groups | Mar 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | • Economy and media conspiracy theories fuel growth | Mar 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups | Mar 07 22:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: US facing surge in rightwing extremist and militia groups |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 75.55 KB | Mar 07 22:41 |
| _goblin | I wish just one "infringer" would have the guts to turn around and say "Ok, I do it because I want free stuff and I don't want to wait for the official release" instead of giving us these mickey mouse reasons as to why file sharing is right and the RIAA are so wrong... | Mar 07 22:41 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, hey! | Mar 07 22:41 |
| _goblin | hi! | Mar 07 22:42 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, how are you? | Mar 07 22:42 |
| _goblin | not bad at all.... | Mar 07 22:42 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, great. :) | Mar 07 22:42 |
| MinceR | _goblin: i'd like to hear your "mickey mouse reasons" as to why the MAFIAA is right :> | Mar 07 22:42 |
| _goblin | not really why the RIAA is right, but mickey mouse reasons to support why they infringe copyright by sharing. | Mar 07 22:43 |
| _goblin | one sec. | Mar 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jan-apr.html#7%20March%202010%20%28Lousy%20and%20lousy%29 "Contrasting America's pretense of morality with China's out-and-out greed. Is it better to be an unabashedly greedy bully, or to be a greedy bully that pretends to give moral lessons? I think it's a toss-up between lousy and lousy." | Mar 07 22:44 |
| MinceR | so the MAFIAA is after all "so wrong"? | Mar 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | It's puppets | Mar 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | For Sony et all | Mar 07 22:44 |
| _goblin | my artcle here (section called counters/arguments/reasons) http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/digital-economy-bill-my-interpretation/ | Mar 07 22:44 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, at technical question about torrents: I have downloaded the Friday night's Smackdown episode, but it isn't complete, is there a way I can "complete" it from another torrent instead of having to download all over again? | Mar 07 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | "Evidence from a respected scientific body to a parliamentary inquiry examining the behaviour of climate-change scientists, was drawn from an energy industry consultant who argues that global warming is a religion, the Guardian can reveal." | Mar 07 22:44 |
| _goblin | lol | Mar 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Paid to LIE. | Mar 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/05/climate-emails-institute-of-physics-submission | Mar 07 22:44 |
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| _goblin | omar87: I would expect that the same torrent could be found on many trackers.... | Mar 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: http://threestrikes.openrightsgroup.org/ | Mar 07 22:45 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, I guess.. | Mar 07 22:45 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: just gone over closer that australian multi touch thing. I cannot tell you want OS. But it is using QT framework | Mar 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Qt is x-platform | Mar 07 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Qt is cross platform. | Mar 07 22:45 |
| oiaohm | To be correct QT4 | Mar 07 22:46 |
| oiaohm | So really cross platform. | Mar 07 22:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: that page won't get any attention from me, it even starts off wrong. | Mar 07 22:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: "INTERNET USERS ACCUSED OF ILLEGALLY DOWNLOADING MUSIC WILL BE CUT OFF IF LORD MANDELSON'S MISGUIDED PROPOSALS BECOME LAW" | Mar 07 22:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: unlawful. | Mar 07 22:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: it is not a crime against the state | Mar 07 22:46 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: so if an anti-campaign can't even get it right, what hope is there for reasoned debate. | Mar 07 22:47 |
| oiaohm | QT4 has a fairly unique in window display of bussy. schestowitz | Mar 07 22:47 |
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| ChrisTX | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_8_Reality_Log <- shouldn't it be Vi$ta 8 ? | Mar 07 22:50 |
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| _goblin | Filesharing say Harry Potter is akin in law (in respect of resolution and judgement) as a case of you moving your fence 1foot into your neighbours property and assuming his/her garden....it is not akin to illegality such as burglary, robbery etc. | Mar 07 22:51 |
| oiaohm | But it can be trespass _goblin | Mar 07 22:53 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, it's really disgusting how we -the Arabs- accuse America for their "Double Standards" attitude, while we have a "Hundred Million Standards" ourselves. | Mar 07 22:54 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, the point I was making is that there is a vast difference between somthing being illegal and unlawful...filesharing is not illegal in itself. | Mar 07 22:55 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, and within the confines of tresspass, no the fence example (in UK law) would not suffice....nor would "on enclosed premesis" | Mar 07 22:56 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, tort would provide the means to deal with fence example. | Mar 07 22:56 |
| cubezzz | of course | Mar 07 22:56 |
| cubezzz | fire sharing hubble photos for example | Mar 07 22:57 |
| cubezzz | it's really a misnomer to say "fire sharing is wrong" | Mar 07 22:57 |
| cubezzz | of course it's not wrong | Mar 07 22:57 |
| _goblin | cubezzz, although filesharing (when I refer to it) is in the context of copyrighted material where there is no permission to share. | Mar 07 22:57 |
| oiaohm | In the case of filesharing is normally not fence less if there was a copyright notice on it. | Mar 07 22:57 |
| cubezzz | I've even torrented one of my own videos | Mar 07 22:58 |
| cubezzz | and it's foolish if anyone thinks they can stop it | Mar 07 22:58 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, agreed....but as I say it falls into the category of unlawful not illegal. | Mar 07 22:58 |
| cubezzz | rogers communications drops encrypted traffic, but Bell doesn't | Mar 07 22:59 |
| _goblin | cubezzz, like I say on my article RIAA v File sharing "The unstopable force meeting the imovable object" | Mar 07 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Here in australia if there is no copyright notice you have to presume the fence is absolute by law. _goblin | Mar 07 22:59 |
| cubezzz | and you can be sure that most ISPs don't block encrypted traffic | Mar 07 22:59 |
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| oiaohm | Other than special exception that allow production of backups and the like _goblin | Mar 07 22:59 |
| cubezzz | well which would you prefer? An ISP that blocks encrypted traffic or one that does not? | Mar 07 22:59 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, can't answer for Australia, but I would say here in the UK, unless express permission has been given to share, then one must assume permission does not exist. | Mar 07 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie you 100 percent cannot pass it on to anyone else unless you die. | Mar 07 23:00 |
| cubezzz | ridiculous :) | Mar 07 23:00 |
| cubezzz | you _must_ assume you can't share? | Mar 07 23:00 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, the difficulty comes with a realism of sucess at court, the filesharers fall foul of civil law because of the sharing, not the personal gain of the file.... | Mar 07 23:00 |
| cubezzz | how about Harry Worth videos? :) | Mar 07 23:00 |
| oiaohm | That is the law here. cubezzz | Mar 07 23:00 |
| cubezzz | seems wrong to me | Mar 07 23:01 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, if you think about it, when you record a program off the TV you are making an unauthorised copy. | Mar 07 23:01 |
| cubezzz | excuse me... :) | Mar 07 23:01 |
| cubezzz | VCRs? :) | Mar 07 23:01 |
| oiaohm | It was illegal here until about 3 years go _goblin | Mar 07 23:01 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, here? | Mar 07 23:01 |
| cubezzz | why did they make VCRs then? | Mar 07 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Australia _goblin | Mar 07 23:01 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, ah. | Mar 07 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Goverment added an exception to the law so they did not have to hunt everyone down. | Mar 07 23:02 |
| _goblin | cubezzz, to play originals or record that which you do have permission for. | Mar 07 23:02 |
| cubezzz | that's humourous | Mar 07 23:02 |
| cubezzz | so everyone is a criminal? :) | Mar 07 23:02 |
| cubezzz | sorry that just doesn't work | Mar 07 23:02 |
| _goblin | cubezzz, no because filesharing is not illegal. | Mar 07 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Posting as annoymous is classed as a permissive copyright. | Mar 07 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Under australian law. | Mar 07 23:03 |
| cubezzz | it's de jure legal as far as I'm concerned | Mar 07 23:03 |
| cubezzz | you can make all these ridiculous laws but you're just pissing into the wind | Mar 07 23:03 |
| _goblin | cubezz: no more a criminal than someone who refuses to pay the window cleaner, gets taken to court and ordered to pay.....thats a county court judgement, not a criminal record. | Mar 07 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Australian law targets the providing not the possession. | Mar 07 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie you can contain as much content in breach of copyright as you like as long as you are not giving it to others. | Mar 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/misc/elive_elive2_enlightenment_effects.jpg | Mar 07 23:04 |
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| cubezzz | I think I'll go torrent some more hubble pictures :) | Mar 07 23:04 |
| _goblin | oiaohm, so a NG or IRC downloader would be "safe". Pretty much the same as in the uk for civil cases. | Mar 07 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Techincally torrents end up on the wrong side of law since you are providing. | Mar 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | ChrisTX: no, just "Vista 8" | Mar 07 23:05 |
| cubezzz | I don't even want to download there crappy movies | Mar 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:54] <Omar87> schestowitz, it's really disgusting how we -the Arabs- accuse America for their "Double Standards" attitude, while we have a "Hundred Million Standards" ourselves. | Mar 07 23:05 |
| cubezzz | it's just data | Mar 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Many countries do that, Omar87 | Mar 07 23:06 |
| cubezzz | how can you control data? | Mar 07 23:06 |
| cubezzz | you can't | Mar 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The mistake is to deny it | Mar 07 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Life is very hard for people trying to protect video streaming here in the form of display for so many days then disappear. | Mar 07 23:06 |
| oiaohm | They cannot really do anything against people who save streaming content. | Mar 07 23:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Remember TNA's new night is Monday!...great stuff! | Mar 07 23:06 | |
| oiaohm | Its even legal here to transcode that aquired media. | Mar 07 23:07 |
| cubezzz | you should be able to record streams | Mar 07 23:07 |
| cubezzz | we had the VCR... this is all old news | Mar 07 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Yep its legal here because they are the provider and you are just the reciever. cubezzz | Mar 07 23:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin You got to consider that Twitter list as a compliment :] | Mar 07 23:07 | |
| cubezzz | and i can decrypt too | Mar 07 23:08 |
| cubezzz | no DMCA in Canada | Mar 07 23:09 |
| cubezzz | the one thing I don't do is decrypt and share though | Mar 07 23:09 |
| cubezzz | there I draw the line | Mar 07 23:09 |
| cubezzz | I paid for the content | Mar 07 23:09 |
| cubezzz | my motivation for decrypting was linux access | Mar 07 23:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter or maybe just the act of the desperate! I am actually quite honored...They've taken the time to create it... | Mar 07 23:09 | |
| cubezzz | I just think it's silly to say "we broadcast, you VCR it, you digitize it, you share it, you are breaking the law" | Mar 07 23:10 |
| cubezzz | it was broadcasted... | Mar 07 23:11 |
| cubezzz | I suppose the Cable companies would get upset though | Mar 07 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still haven't made much of a dent on my BSG boxset. I am determined to get through it before March ends! | Mar 07 23:11 | |
| cubezzz | I just don't see how you can stop file sharing without some kind of Big Brother Internet deal | Mar 07 23:12 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm talking about individuals. | Mar 07 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Interoperability: a TPM can be circumvented for the purpose of achieving interoperability of an independently-created computer program with the original TPM-protected computer program << In the Australian law. cubezzz | Mar 07 23:13 |
| cubezzz | Libaries even loan CDs and DVDs now | Mar 07 23:14 |
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| oiaohm | So providing only for 1 platform makes you kinda a sitting duck with any restrictive tech. cubezzz | Mar 07 23:14 |
| cubezzz | well that's actually good then | Mar 07 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Also its poorly worded. | Mar 07 23:14 |
| cubezzz | I totally agree with that | Mar 07 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Does not state the replacement program has to function the same. | Mar 07 23:15 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, think about this, most libraries had photocopiers :) | Mar 07 23:15 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure they still do now, but they did in the past | Mar 07 23:15 |
| oiaohm | There is even a special exception for that as well here cubezzz | Mar 07 23:15 |
| cubezzz | so you have a system that encourages copying | Mar 07 23:15 |
| oiaohm | libraries are free to break TPM's as much as they like. | Mar 07 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Remember I said no distribution without permission. Ie copying to a point. cubezzz | Mar 07 23:16 |
| cubezzz | fair use... | Mar 07 23:16 |
| cubezzz | for the purpose of research or news reporting | Mar 07 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Also allowed. | Mar 07 23:17 |
| oiaohm | By the exceptions. | Mar 07 23:17 |
| cubezzz | I do tell everyone to buy the CDs and DVDs though, if they want to support what they like | Mar 07 23:17 |
| oiaohm | With research person must make a good faith attempt to inform the copyright holder of stuff he is expermenting on. | Mar 07 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Really the copyright holder refuses does not stop the research from going forwards. | Mar 07 23:18 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, so tell me, are DVD copying programs illegal? | Mar 07 23:19 |
| cubezzz | or call it "backing up" if you like | Mar 07 23:19 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent legal because content scrambling thing of DVD are in breach of Australian law. | Mar 07 23:19 |
| oiaohm | You are not allowed regional coding by fair trading laws. | Mar 07 23:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ah, OK. | Mar 07 23:20 |
| oiaohm | ie regional coding is illegal so cannot be protected. | Mar 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | ^ Omar87 | Mar 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/mobility/37398-what-we-want-in-a-smartphone-nokia-reveals-survey-result | Mar 07 23:20 |
| oiaohm | That is the other issue here. Our laws place limits on what a TPM system can and cannot do. The recent one by the BBC descriminating against clients would have landed on the wrong side of our anti descrimintation laws. | Mar 07 23:21 |
| cubezzz | I don't see any way to differentiate between legal and illegal file sharing | Mar 07 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Everyone must have equal and fair access here. | Mar 07 23:21 |
| oiaohm | To provided content. | Mar 07 23:22 |
| cubezzz | you would need a file whitelist or something | Mar 07 23:22 |
| oiaohm | There are a few ways. | Mar 07 23:22 |
| oiaohm | One is to prevent direct user to user file sharing. | Mar 07 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Instead the ISP does the file sharing ISP to ISP. | Mar 07 23:22 |
| cubezzz | you would have to outlaw ftp then :) | Mar 07 23:22 |
| oiaohm | That does techincally have back bone advantages. | Mar 07 23:23 |
| oiaohm | ftp can be cached by ISP's cubezzz | Mar 07 23:23 |
| oiaohm | If you think interms of bandwidth usage p2p is highly wasteful. | Mar 07 23:24 |
| cubezzz | ftp, wget, curl, links, lwp-download. etc etc etc :) | Mar 07 23:24 |
| cubezzz | you can't stop file sharing | Mar 07 23:24 |
| cubezzz | the whole internet is one big file shar-a-thon | Mar 07 23:24 |
| oiaohm | An ISP here has stopped all p2p | Mar 07 23:24 |
| oiaohm | They also took out all forms of VPN as well. | Mar 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | which one? | Mar 07 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Basically no encrypted traffic to any unknown sites. | Mar 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | amusing | Mar 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | sounds like Rogers :) | Mar 07 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Even dynamic IP system are blocked. | Mar 07 23:26 |
| cubezzz | a good reason to avoid I'd say | Mar 07 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Price is very good. | Mar 07 23:26 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent unlimited quota | Mar 07 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact your sites are limited. | Mar 07 23:26 |
| cubezzz | let's say I wanted to download a 1920's Australian silent film | Mar 07 23:27 |
| cubezzz | still illegal? | Mar 07 23:27 |
| oiaohm | That is over 70 years. Copyright has died on it. | Mar 07 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I was going to put something like that | Mar 07 23:27 |
| cubezzz | OK, so why block all p2p? | Mar 07 23:27 |
| cubezzz | there's a legal use | Mar 07 23:28 |
| oiaohm | There is a cost to the ISP. | Mar 07 23:28 |
| cubezzz | but I'm a paying customer :) | Mar 07 23:28 |
| oiaohm | ISP has to pay for all uploads and downloads in this country. | Mar 07 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Costs of that have to be passed on to customers | Mar 07 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? | Mar 07 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: so that's why they cap the Internet or whatever it's called | Mar 07 23:29 |
| cubezzz | Ok, so why not limit p2p traffic to within Australia? | Mar 07 23:29 |
| cubezzz | I bet they do sometimes | Mar 07 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Removing p2p enabled caching to work | Mar 07 23:29 |
| oiaohm | So making it cheeper for ISP's ie not buying as much from other. | Mar 07 23:29 |
| cubezzz | I suppose some ISPs even block ftp ports? | Mar 07 23:30 |
| oiaohm | You providing your own ftp server yes. | Mar 07 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Really would not help you much thinking everyone ends up on shared ip's as well. | Mar 07 23:31 |
| cubezzz | again, that sounds like an ISP to avoid :) | Mar 07 23:31 |
| oiaohm | This ISP is saving costs all round. | Mar 07 23:31 |
| cubezzz | I'll pay extra for a static IP | Mar 07 23:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie less required IP's less and less bandwidth. | Mar 07 23:32 |
| oiaohm | So they can do a lot cheeper | Mar 07 23:32 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't sound good for the end user though | Mar 07 23:32 |
| oiaohm | If person is only touching non p2p content it good for them. | Mar 07 23:32 |
| oiaohm | And is not like me and sometimes needs to run a vpn or other encrypted linked. | Mar 07 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Like it even kills of using RDP. | Mar 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | right, so it's a huge pain in the ass :) | Mar 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | who would want that? | Mar 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | get a real ISP | Mar 07 23:33 |
| oiaohm | I know some home users who have it. | Mar 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | let the fake ISPs die | Mar 07 23:33 |
| oiaohm | And are quite happy with it. | Mar 07 23:34 |
| cubezzz | OK, maybe so but you or I don't want that | Mar 07 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Basically is not for everyone. | Mar 07 23:34 |
| oiaohm | But its important to be aware that it can be done. p2p could be taken out if ISP's choose to. | Mar 07 23:35 |
| cubezzz | I'm on a freenet so it's not likely they would restrict me | Mar 07 23:35 |
| oiaohm | freenet does not work from that ISP either. | Mar 07 23:35 |
| oiaohm | They have put the walls up very well cubezzz | Mar 07 23:36 |
| cubezzz | well it sounds like the ISP from Hell :) | Mar 07 23:36 |
| oiaohm | p2p designers really need to think about ISP caching. | Mar 07 23:36 |
| oiaohm | And how they are going to support it. | Mar 07 23:36 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, wikipedia has a list of "BAD" ISPs | Mar 07 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Most current p2p designs are anti ISP in there design. | Mar 07 23:37 |
| cubezzz | p2p seems slower nowadays | Mar 07 23:38 |
| cubezzz | but I throttle it down to 40K per sec anyways | Mar 07 23:39 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, for your enjoyment :) | Mar 07 23:40 |
| cubezzz | http://wiki.vuze.com/w/Bad_ISPs | Mar 07 23:40 |
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| oiaohm | Most people did not notice p2p slowed down a lot when everyone switched over to encrypted as well cubezzz | Mar 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Because multi casting with the protocal no longer word. | Mar 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | word/worked | Mar 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | As well | Mar 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Ie more will restrict p2p as market for ISP's get more cut throat. They simple will be forced to so they can cut costs. cubezzz | Mar 07 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Unless of course p2p designs release something that is ISP friendly. | Mar 07 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA0Mg | Mar 07 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Nice! | Mar 07 23:47 |
| _goblin | having said that why do people bother with p2p anyway.....it can't touch the download speeds and privacy of a binary newsgroup for the average user... | Mar 07 23:47 |
| cubezzz | I don't see binary newsgroups around though | Mar 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | What douche: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KVRp5Nb1as | Mar 07 23:48 |
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| _goblin | when I use linuxtracker, the best Ive achieved is 290k per sec.....on a NG I can get up to 498k | Mar 07 23:48 |
| cubezzz | most ISPs dropped usenet | Mar 07 23:48 |
| _goblin | and im not waiting around for a seeder to unthrottle me. | Mar 07 23:48 |
| _goblin | cubezzz, but then a subscription to a service is not much. | Mar 07 23:49 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, maybe I'll look into it | Mar 07 23:52 |
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