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_goblinI get alot of Amiga PD from the newsgroups, that and old scene music from the Amiga demoscene.Mar 08 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to record in the Severed Fifth studio - join me live at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studioMar 08 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 installed -and of course mono junkware purged-. And yes!! It boot in less than 5 seconds!!Mar 08 00:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Severed Fifth: Live In The Studio on USTREAM: Tune in to watch the second Severed Fifth album as it is written, recorded and produced.. Rock .::. Size~: 52.92 KBMar 08 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, must go to bed. Shame, I was having a very interesting debate over on Openbytes! Hopefully back on Monday evening...take care all.Mar 08 00:02
_goblinThats me done.Mar 08 00:02
_goblinSmoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.Mar 08 00:02
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schestowitzThis one is amusing: Ever since the Palm Pre was announced for a premier on Sprint last year, speculation has raged about when this contender for the smartphone crown would show up on the technologically compatible Verizon network. With the Palm Pre Plus and Pixi Plus, announced in January, a souped up arsenal of WebOS phones finally arrive on the Big Red Carrier. Was it worth the wait?Mar 08 00:10
schestowitzMonty Python inspired: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7yAEh-PU4MMar 08 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The Eye of the Python .::. Size~: 118.04 KBMar 08 00:14
Omar87schestowitz, don't you think the GNU Foundation should disallow mono-based stuff from being published under GPL?Mar 08 00:20
Omar87Sorry, I mean the Free Software Foundation.Mar 08 00:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 installed -and of course mono junkware purged-. And yes!! It boots in less than 5 seconds!!Mar 08 00:22
schestowitzOmar87: that would disable freedomMar 08 00:23
schestowitzOT: On trolls who talk about souls...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77XBZHJcoK4Mar 08 00:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The War on Neuroscience : Part 1 .::. Size~: 117.94 KBMar 08 00:23
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Omar87schestowitz, so, what do you think can we do to stop the Mono plague from spreading?Mar 08 00:24
Omar87I mean, really, there has to be a way.Mar 08 00:25
ender2070what about forking it and breaking compatibility with msMar 08 00:25
oiaohmMono is already no compatible with MS implementation.Mar 08 00:28
ender2070oh you're quite wrong about thatMar 08 00:28
ender2070they slowly copy themMar 08 00:29
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8x1_q9wg58Mar 08 00:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story' - Flint Sit-Down Strike .::. Size~: 146.13 KBMar 08 00:29
ender2070anything missing will end up in mono given enough timeMar 08 00:29
oiaohmMono follows the bytecode standard published by MS.Mar 08 00:29
schestowitzender2070: that would get you suedMar 08 00:29
schestowitzDeviating from ECMAMar 08 00:29
oiaohmYou know MS and published standards ender2070Mar 08 00:29
oiaohmYou can 100 percent bet MS has altered away from it somewhere.Mar 08 00:29
ender2070couldn't you focus on ECMA and "extend" it ourself ?Mar 08 00:29
oiaohmLike mono forbids calling native windows dllsMar 08 00:30
oiaohmUnder LinuxMar 08 00:30
oiaohmAs a lot of .net applications do.Mar 08 00:30
ender2070if you can't deviate from ECMA then its not even worth usingMar 08 00:30
ender2070even if your a windows trollMar 08 00:30
oiaohmNo standard body in history has MS fully respected.Mar 08 00:31
ender2070i knowMar 08 00:31
oiaohmThey have to be pulled kicking and screaming to implement standards.Mar 08 00:31
ender2070the current mono would be illegal then wouldn't it?Mar 08 00:31
oiaohmEven ones they create themselvesMar 08 00:31
ender2070i KNOW they deviate from ECMAMar 08 00:31
oiaohmLook closerMar 08 00:31
ender2070they don't offer EMCA-only source code eitherMar 08 00:31
oiaohmThe deviate sections are MIT licence.Mar 08 00:32
oiaohmNot GPLMar 08 00:32
ender2070its all MITMar 08 00:32
ender2070they removed all gpl codeMar 08 00:32
oiaohmNot allMar 08 00:32
oiaohmSections of the JIT are still GPLMar 08 00:32
ender2070afaik they did in december or januaryMar 08 00:32
oiaohmI guess they had to so they could be compadible with items like iphonesMar 08 00:33
ender2070its LGPL and MIT onlyMar 08 00:33
oiaohmSo piece by peice they are removing all patent protection.Mar 08 00:34
ender2070what patent protection did they have?Mar 08 00:35
oiaohmNow all they have to change are the runtimes.Mar 08 00:35
oiaohmLGPL and GPL even V2 has patent protection.   Ok not directly out right stated like GPLv3 but if GPL sections of mono were attacked Novell would be pulled in for distributing it.Mar 08 00:36
ender2070ohhhMar 08 00:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @xtarwars: #gnu Ubisoft DRM Authentication Servers Go Down http://ur1.ca/opvtMar 08 00:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Escapist : News : Ubisoft DRM Authentication Servers Go Down .::. Size~: 36.32 KBMar 08 00:38
oiaohmGPL licence does not allow distribution hidding possible restrictions.  ender2070Mar 08 00:38
ender2070it would make sense then to remove their liabilityMar 08 00:38
oiaohmOnce Novell liability is removed MS can attack.Mar 08 00:38
ender2070in case the community promise falls shortMar 08 00:38
bruce89that was bound to happenMar 08 00:39
ender2070its been shown that the community promise isn't valid anywaysMar 08 00:39
ender2070fsf debunked it shortly after announced, iircMar 08 00:39
ender2070i remember miguel said there would be a EMCA compliant only version of MonoMar 08 00:40
ender2070which doesnt seem to existMar 08 00:40
ender2070other than distros seperating things themselvesMar 08 00:40
oiaohmAlso the other thing about MITMar 08 00:40
oiaohmIs that ms can use the Mono code internally and never tell anyone.Mar 08 00:41
oiaohmThere are very few reason to switch from LGPL to MITMar 08 00:41
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bruce89http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8548190.stmMar 08 00:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 87.13 KBMar 08 00:42
bruce89damned BBC titles, it's "4/5 of people say Internet access is a fundemental human right"Mar 08 00:43
ender2070that was my first conclusionMar 08 00:44
ender2070ms would get free c# bugfixesMar 08 00:44
oiaohmBiggest reason I know of is consoles ender2070Mar 08 00:48
ender2070consoles?Mar 08 00:48
oiaohmIe consoles that don't allow the publishing of source code running on them.Mar 08 00:48
ender2070ohhhhMar 08 00:49
ender2070xboxMar 08 00:49
oiaohmWiiMar 08 00:49
DaemonFChttp://news.google.com/news?q=TERROR~1Mar 08 00:49
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ender2070not wiiMar 08 00:49
ender2070xboxMar 08 00:49
DaemonFCheheMar 08 00:49
oiaohmender2070: nitendo wii sdk forbids it.Mar 08 00:49
oiaohmAs wellMar 08 00:49
ender2070yeahMar 08 00:49
ender2070but they wouldn't be able to jerk each other off if its not a msft productMar 08 00:49
ender2070they want mono in the xbox arcade I betMar 08 00:50
ender2070people already use C# to code for xbox arcadeMar 08 00:50
oiaohmscummvm open source gpl engine was force to be removed from wii due to the restriction.Mar 08 00:50
oiaohmYou have to pay yearly for the right to run your own C# programs on the xboxMar 08 00:50
oiaohmOpen source is losing the war on consoles.  It is largely locked out.Mar 08 00:51
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schestowitzThis is priceless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iumopvEbK3wMar 08 00:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- A LOLgical Superman. .::. Size~: 136.31 KBMar 08 00:54
oiaohmJust had the insanity turn up again.  Lets run a windows shell on Linux using wine and run all windows applications that has to be more secuire.  Yep some people are nuts.Mar 08 00:56
ender2070ROFLMar 08 00:56
ender2070who said that?Mar 08 00:56
oiaohmhttp://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=7876Mar 08 00:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WineHQ Forums View topic - Crazy (and just maybe awesome) idea: Winux .::. Size~: 46.31 KBMar 08 00:57
oiaohmYes the oiaohm there ripping it him is me.  ender2070Mar 08 00:57
oiaohmI also had the fun of having to point out to a Mac OS in winehq running a filemanager in wine to do file managerment was not exactly wise.Mar 08 00:58
oiaohmLogic seams to be in short supply recently.Mar 08 00:59
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akAsD4uQxYYMar 08 00:59
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oiaohmhttp://vimeo.com/9865011  Now this is impressiveMar 08 01:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: transformation on Vimeo .::. Size~: 52.96 KBMar 08 01:01
ender2070lol alex jonesMar 08 01:02
ender2070oiahm - are you sure gullible jones isn't a troll?Mar 08 01:02
oiaohmHe did trully try doing it.Mar 08 01:03
oiaohmThat is another post alone ender2070Mar 08 01:03
oiaohmblackbox shell replacement by the way ender2070Mar 08 01:04
oiaohmA normal troll would have tried running MS shell then wonder then complaining that it toasted their system.Mar 08 01:05
oiaohmAlso gullible jones is not new the forums either.  ender2070Mar 08 01:06
oiaohmSad to say its a nick name that person earnt.Mar 08 01:07
ender2070says he has 4 postsMar 08 01:11
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oiaohmYou are looking for a jones char from about 3 years back ender2070Mar 08 01:11
oiaohmhis writing style is a dead give away.  Bit like mine ender2070Mar 08 01:12
ender2070ohhhhMar 08 01:12
ender2070nymshifting ?Mar 08 01:12
ender2070lol @ apparmorMar 08 01:13
ender2070SELinux > apparmorMar 08 01:13
oiaohmHe is about the only one that uses () in subjectsMar 08 01:13
oiaohmAlso tiles the ideas with crazy even for possiable sane ideas.Mar 08 01:13
oiaohmAnd he eart the title of gullible for falling for rm -rf command.Mar 08 01:14
oiaohmAt least he is true to his word that he would take the name because he deserved it.Mar 08 01:15
oiaohmSadly lot of ubuntu users think apparmor is ok.Mar 08 01:15
bruce89it's Red Hat, it must be evilMar 08 01:17
bruce89with regard SELinux and PackageKitMar 08 01:17
oiaohmSelinux is not just redhat.Mar 08 01:19
oiaohmIts USA NSA as well.Mar 08 01:19
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bruce89evil back doors!!!Mar 08 01:20
schestowitzWar in Iraq analogy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIEecTemChQMar 08 01:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Why Do Conservatives Hate France? .::. Size~: 155.67 KBMar 08 01:22
schestowitzoiaohm: Blender?Mar 08 01:22
schestowitz[The vimeo viz]Mar 08 01:22
oiaohmThe vimeo.com is blenderMar 08 01:22
schestowitzCool1Mar 08 01:22
oiaohmThere is no overlap in those models.Mar 08 01:23
oiaohmSo in theory you could make them.Mar 08 01:23
ender2070redhat isnt eilMar 08 01:25
ender2070evilMar 08 01:25
oiaohmBest way to prevent back doors is have you code peer reviewed.Mar 08 01:25
oiaohmEven NSA knows this.Mar 08 01:26
ender2070+1Mar 08 01:26
cubezzzor write it yourself :)Mar 08 01:26
oiaohmNo write it yourself you can still screw up.Mar 08 01:26
ender2070yesMar 08 01:26
oiaohmPeer reviewing finds lots of bugs you will miss.Mar 08 01:26
cubezzzyou can do bothMar 08 01:26
ender2070you have to do bothMar 08 01:26
oiaohmReally knowing how to review code is more important than writing from a secuirty point of view.Mar 08 01:27
cubezzzI had more trouble with Fedora 12 yesterdayMar 08 01:27
cubezzzbut I figured it outMar 08 01:27
cubezzz2.4 and 2.6 is a lot differentMar 08 01:27
ender2070?Mar 08 01:27
cubezzzit didn't handle 2 video cards correctlyMar 08 01:28
cubezzznot without hand adjusting xorg.confMar 08 01:28
ender2070what is 2.4 and 2.6Mar 08 01:28
cubezzzthe kernel dude :)Mar 08 01:28
ender2070why are you using 2.4 in F12Mar 08 01:28
cubezzzI'm notMar 08 01:28
cubezzzI was just remarking 2.4 and 2.6 is a lot different :)Mar 08 01:29
ender2070what does the kernel have to do with your problem thoughMar 08 01:29
cubezzzmy problems were with Fedora 12Mar 08 01:29
cubezzzand video capture and mplayerMar 08 01:29
oiaohmYou will get to know cubezzz ender2070 he/she is minorlly confusing at times.Mar 08 01:29
bruce89for the avoidance of doubt, I was playing the part of a plonkerMar 08 01:29
ender2070ohhh ADHDMar 08 01:29
oiaohmAt least 1 videocard works cubezzzMar 08 01:32
oiaohmMost of the time without touching configsMar 08 01:32
cubezzzI'm sure it doesMar 08 01:32
oiaohmI do know a laptop that is fun.Mar 08 01:32
cubezzzthis tyan K7X has on board ati videoMar 08 01:32
oiaohmKeep fialing to find the LCD screen.Mar 08 01:32
cubezzzplus it has an AIW 9600 cardMar 08 01:32
oiaohmInstead defaults the video out portMar 08 01:33
cubezzzthe on board video was too slowMar 08 01:33
cubezzzoiaohm, I like toughbooks for laptopMar 08 01:33
cubezzzthings I can easily do with older Linux seem harder with newer LinuxMar 08 01:34
cubezzzplus the tendency of adding stuff to the motherboard doesn't helpMar 08 01:35
oiaohmCase of X11 yes its getting harder before it gets simpler.Mar 08 01:35
ender2070yoMar 08 01:35
ender2070get some new hardwareMar 08 01:35
oiaohmOn the fly configuration will come to X11 cubezzzMar 08 01:35
cubezzzmy older hardware works fine, but this is for a customerMar 08 01:36
cubezzzhe wants composite video in on the tv tunerMar 08 01:37
cubezzzthe newer cards don't seem to have thatMar 08 01:37
cubezzzpart of his business is video transfer from Beta, VHS, etc etcMar 08 01:37
ender2070ahhhhMar 08 01:37
cubezzzso I looked at all the tv tuner cardsMar 08 01:38
cubezzzI ended up using an old card I hadMar 08 01:38
cubezzzit was an interesting project, but a little frustratingMar 08 01:39
ender2070yeah I betMar 08 01:39
ender2070you actually get to install linux for customers?Mar 08 01:39
cubezzzyesMar 08 01:40
cubezzzfairly often in factMar 08 01:40
ender2070thats awesomeMar 08 01:40
ender2070what kind of jobMar 08 01:40
cubezzzplus I get paid too! :)Mar 08 01:40
cubezzzwell this guy is an old audio engineer from CBCMar 08 01:40
cubezzzso I get to do tons of interesting thingsMar 08 01:40
ender2070oh reallyMar 08 01:41
cubezzzmy other customers are dual boot mostly on laptopsMar 08 01:41
ender2070you should ask him about communists in CBCMar 08 01:41
cubezzzthe subject has come up beforeMar 08 01:41
ender2070he would probably confirm they are thereMar 08 01:41
cubezzzI myself don't work for CBC thoughMar 08 01:41
ender2070i've heard of an ex-kgb guy who went to work there and said there was more communists in the CBC than in USSRMar 08 01:42
ender2070lolMar 08 01:42
cubezzzwell someone should tell him there's no USSR any more :)Mar 08 01:42
ender2070this was in the 80sMar 08 01:42
cubezzzah :)Mar 08 01:42
cubezzzhe's got these huge Studer reel-to-reel jobs in the basementMar 08 01:42
ender2070niceMar 08 01:43
ender2070do you fix pc's for people?Mar 08 01:43
cubezzzsometimes yeahMar 08 01:43
ender2070whats your job titleMar 08 01:43
ender2070i used to be a pc repair technicianMar 08 01:43
cubezzzComputer Consultant :)Mar 08 01:43
ender2070same shitMar 08 01:44
ender2070lolMar 08 01:44
cubezzzwell, I'm not always fixing PCs thoughMar 08 01:44
ender2070self employed or for someone else?Mar 08 01:44
cubezzzself employedMar 08 01:44
ender2070cool stuff :)Mar 08 01:44
cubezzzsince 1990Mar 08 01:44
ender2070making lots of money?Mar 08 01:45
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cubezzzyeah things seem to be picking up againMar 08 01:45
ender2070good to hearMar 08 01:45
cubezzzit is nice to do Linux jobsMar 08 01:46
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ender2070whats your business roleMar 08 01:46
cubezzzCBC isn't Linux hostile, but there are not Linux lovers eitherMar 08 01:46
ender2070just any computer related task a customer needs?Mar 08 01:47
tessier__ender2070: What is CBC?Mar 08 01:47
ender2070tessier___ - Canada's BBCMar 08 01:47
cubezzzender2070, lately it's been going in and making suggestions then the customer decides to go aheadMar 08 01:48
cubezzzconsultant stuffMar 08 01:48
cubezzzbut yeah, basically anything computer relatedMar 08 01:48
cubezzzI always try to advocate dual boot or Linux thoughMar 08 01:49
DaemonFCYeah, are they one of the networks that wastes Canadian tax money coming up with B movies to satisfy Canadian Content laws?Mar 08 01:49
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 01:49
cubezzzCrown Corporation DaemonFCMar 08 01:49
cubezzzbasically part of the governmentMar 08 01:49
cubezzzCTV is Linux hostile thoughMar 08 01:50
DaemonFCI wonder if the Mafiaa props up some Canadian musicians even at a loss, so that the government doesn't bitch about the rest of the content they airMar 08 01:50
DaemonFCcould explain some of themMar 08 01:50
*DaemonFC ducksMar 08 01:50
cubezzzone day I had to transfer old Tommy Hunter shows to digital :)Mar 08 01:51
ender2070tax on our blank media pays canadian musiciansMar 08 01:54
ender2070CBC creates a lot of useful contentMar 08 01:54
ender2070not just B moviesMar 08 01:54
ender2070you should watch one of their documentariesMar 08 01:55
ender2070"the disappearing male:Mar 08 01:55
ender2070"the disappearing male"Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFCI'd probably import blank media if I lived in CanadaMar 08 01:55
DaemonFCeven if it cost more to do thatMar 08 01:55
ender2070lolMar 08 01:55
ender2070whyMar 08 01:55
ender2070you're stupid?Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFCto avoid paying the MafiaaMar 08 01:55
ender2070it legalizes downloadingMar 08 01:55
DaemonFCso?Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFCI'd download anywayMar 08 01:55
DaemonFChow do they know I didn't buy my blanks at Canadian WalmartMar 08 01:56
DaemonFClolMar 08 01:56
ender2070Canadian Walmart pays the levyMar 08 01:56
DaemonFCgood for Canadian WalmartMar 08 01:56
ender2070whats cheaperMar 08 01:56
DaemonFCdoes Newegg?Mar 08 01:56
ender2070$17.99 for the latest CD, or http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007276&cid=SMD.499Mar 08 01:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Canada Computers - Storage Media > CD Media : RiDATA 52x 80 min 700MB CD-R Spindle 100-pack. .::. Size~: 52.31 KBMar 08 01:56
ender2070$23.99 for 100Mar 08 01:57
DaemonFClet me crunch some numbersMar 08 01:57
ender2070as long as you dont uploadMar 08 01:57
ender2070leech-onlyMar 08 01:58
DaemonFCThat's $23.36 USD per 100 vs. $15.99 per 100Mar 08 01:58
DaemonFCI think I'll stay with the $15.99 100 packMar 08 01:58
ender2070yeah but you're breakin the lawMar 08 01:58
DaemonFCfuck emMar 08 01:58
DaemonFCI don't actually do it that muchMar 08 01:59
ender2070lolMar 08 01:59
DaemonFCit's usually so cheap to buy a used CD, it's not worth finding a torrentMar 08 02:00
ender2070i don't either, music sucks these daysMar 08 02:00
ender2070andMar 08 02:00
ender2070not many do flac ripsMar 08 02:00
DaemonFCI have a standing policy to never buy a new CDMar 08 02:00
ender2070i buy used cds tooMar 08 02:00
DaemonFCif I have to buy it new, I'll find FLAC ripsMar 08 02:00
ender2070i've personally donated money to one of my favorite artistsMar 08 02:00
ender2070weird al yankovicMar 08 02:00
DaemonFCthe least you can do if you want to be legal, is deny them a new sale while there's thousands of used copies out thereMar 08 02:01
DaemonFCright? :)Mar 08 02:01
ender2070or borrow from the library?Mar 08 02:01
ender2070LOLMar 08 02:01
DaemonFCdone thatMar 08 02:01
DaemonFCFLAC rips from the libraries collectionMar 08 02:02
DaemonFCwho can prove that, right?Mar 08 02:02
ender2070kind of hardMar 08 02:02
DaemonFClike making DVD rips from the $1 redbox rentalsMar 08 02:02
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 02:03
sebsebsebDaemonFC: I like those two new themes a bit more, after trying in vm again, altough by default the window buttons should be on the right really, but of course.Mar 08 02:07
ender2070my library has DVDsMar 08 02:07
ender2070they always suck though, lolMar 08 02:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #linux journal RD: @schestowitz: Go vote for your distro... http://ur1.ca/opc3Mar 08 02:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Which Linux distribution do you use most frequently? | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 101.31 KBMar 08 02:07
cubezzzFedoraMar 08 02:07
sebsebsebcubezzz: Mandriva at the momentMar 08 02:08
oiaohmDebian cross breedMar 08 02:08
sebsebseboiaohm: cross breed?Mar 08 02:08
oiaohmPart stable part testing and part expermental.Mar 08 02:08
oiaohmYes it works Mar 08 02:09
sebsebseboiaohm: a mix of those why?Mar 08 02:09
oiaohmI can get newer applications from expermentalMar 08 02:09
oiaohmI can use testing applications that are always reasoanble stable.Mar 08 02:10
oiaohmAnd when all else goes wrong I can run home to stable.Mar 08 02:10
oiaohmI also do have distributions in openvz as well.Mar 08 02:10
oiaohmJust pitty X11 does not work well from there.Mar 08 02:11
ender2070<--- FedoraMar 08 02:16
cubezzzFedora wins! Flawless Victory!Mar 08 02:17
ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dVNtRmv_JkMar 08 02:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- World of Warcraft - Is it killing you?  It will. - FOTM1 .::. Size~: 108.33 KBMar 08 02:23
cubezzzI've never played World of WarcraftMar 08 02:24
ender2070apparently its demonicMar 08 02:25
ender2070and leads to witchcraftMar 08 02:25
DaemonFCender2070, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjl54v1irbsMar 08 02:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Crazy American Christian Woman Goes into a Religious Rage aka "God Warrior" .::. Size~: 109.86 KBMar 08 02:26
DaemonFClike that?Mar 08 02:26
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] To all wonderful and gorgeous women out there, Happy women's day! Without you our life won't be full :-) #womensday . thx 4 ur love mom :-)Mar 08 02:27
oiaohmPersonally my prefered distributon would be debian slackware and fedora running as 1.  Just cannot do it at this time.Mar 08 02:28
DaemonFCender2070, I have an impersonation of that woman that I use to mock ChristiansMar 08 02:29
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 02:29
DaemonFCGRAWWWWWWWW!!!!! CLEETUS!!!! DARK SIDED!!!!Mar 08 02:32
DaemonFCactually, you pronounce "s" as "shMar 08 02:32
DaemonFCso more like cleetush, dark shided!!!!Mar 08 02:33
DaemonFCall about the moonsh! and the godsh! and the "tarah" "cord" readin's, it'sh all so "da/ork" "shided"!!!!!!Mar 08 02:34
DaemonFC*readin'sh that isMar 08 02:34
DaemonFClike your missing some teeth I guessMar 08 02:35
DaemonFCand shouting GRAAAAAAAAWWWWW!!!! is importantMar 08 02:35
DaemonFCbefore you go on a tear like thatMar 08 02:35
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The #Scientology cult tries to take over #Australia and #fails http://ur1.ca/oq7c #douchebags #anonymousMar 08 02:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Scientology in the spotlight amid fresh allegations - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) .::. Size~: 37.3 KBMar 08 02:47
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ender2070this guy isn't a business type sellout? http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/07/open-source-business-conference-5-trends-worth-watching/Mar 08 02:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source Business Conference: 5 Trends Worth Watching | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 228.64 KBMar 08 02:54
ender2070trends is a business weasel wordMar 08 02:54
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lorddarkoHAAAI GUYSMar 08 03:01
lorddarkoMAH NAME IS LORDDARKOMar 08 03:02
ender2070Hi :)Mar 08 03:09
ender2070IM ENDER2070Mar 08 03:09
lorddarko,:DMar 08 03:10
Diablo-D3HIMar 08 03:10
Diablo-D3WHY ARE WE YELLINGMar 08 03:10
ender2070LORDDARKO ARRIVED!Mar 08 03:10
*ender2070 busts open a bottle of champaigneMar 08 03:10
lorddarkoYAYMar 08 03:10
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ender2070lolMar 08 03:12
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TakyojiMy day has been made: http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/004219/Ubisofts-Authentication-Servers-Go-DownMar 08 03:16
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ender2070:DMar 08 03:19
DaemonFCCLEETUS!!!! DARK SIDED!!!!!Mar 08 03:20
DaemonFCGRAWWWWWWW!!!!!Mar 08 03:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear @twitter followers, do you know where your backups are? My laptop drive just died stone cold. Don't ask. Start your backup now. #upsetMar 08 03:23
ender2070I don't remember where but I heard rumors ubisoft was going to get hit with DDOS attacksMar 08 03:28
ender2070i wonder if they didMar 08 03:28
ender2070http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/07/234204/Facebook-Founder-Accused-of-Hacking-Into-Rivals-EmailMar 08 03:30
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DaemonFC:)Mar 08 03:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @qu1j0t3 That's what xfs dump and xfs restore are for. Woo, fancy! I know, btrfs vaporware blahblah...sometimes a simpler answer is best. :)Mar 08 03:31
DaemonFCIf I was to ever move to anything other than XFS, it would be because Reiser4 got mergedMar 08 03:31
DaemonFCReiser4 is bitch slapping Btrfs Mar 08 03:32
ender2070btrfs isnt for fucking speedMar 08 03:32
DaemonFCI noticedMar 08 03:33
ender2070rtfmMar 08 03:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin If you are pissing someone off, you are doing something right :) At least that's my opinion.Mar 08 03:37
oiaohmSpeed doing what is the question.Mar 08 03:38
oiaohmbtrfs is being designed to support multi drives better.Mar 08 03:39
DaemonFCReiser4 seems to destory all others in most desktop-related tasksMar 08 03:40
DaemonFCoiaohm, What surprises me about XFS is how well it still stacks up and how much work is still being done on it considering it is 16 years old nowMar 08 03:44
DaemonFCit still meets or exceeds Ext4Mar 08 03:44
DaemonFCeven when BtrFS is declared stable, they're still going to find bugs in it for yearsMar 08 03:45
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ender2070i hope soMar 08 04:02
ender2070that way they fix themMar 08 04:03
ender2070_goblin - remember I first stated Paint.mono would replace GIMP, it seems it does under the name Pinta (just saw your blog)Mar 08 04:13
Diablo-D3lol monoMar 08 04:14
ender2070i bet they'll try getting it into ubuntu 10.10Mar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3you know what I should do to those assholesMar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3wait until they get finishedMar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3and then steal all their workMar 08 04:14
ender2070LOLMar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3port it all to javaMar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3DOOHOHOHOHOHOHOMar 08 04:15
ender2070MIT license ;)Mar 08 04:15
ender2070you couldMar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3ender2070: eh I still havent decided on a license for my own shit Im writing myselfMar 08 04:15
ender2070I was thinking of making a license myselfMar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3its either bsd-alike or gpl.Mar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3ender2070: dont botherMar 08 04:15
ender2070im slightly inspired by the CDDLMar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3theres at least 4 or 5 licenses that are, essentially, the BSD licenseMar 08 04:16
ender2070i dont like the BSD licenseMar 08 04:16
ender2070i like gpl3Mar 08 04:16
Diablo-D3then just use gplMar 08 04:16
ender2070i like the CDDL too, one thing in it prevents you from using their code if you sue themMar 08 04:16
Diablo-D3cddl ~= mdlMar 08 04:16
Diablo-D3ender2070: yeah, but that doesnt mean shitMar 08 04:16
ender2070but i was thinking of my own license not for softwareMar 08 04:17
ender2070i like the idea "you cant use my shit if you sue me"Mar 08 04:18
Diablo-D3I dont like that clause, btwMar 08 04:18
Diablo-D3because they'd just sue you for monopolistic practices.Mar 08 04:19
ender2070?Mar 08 04:19
ender2070howMar 08 04:19
Diablo-D3how? well, first, they hire a lawyer, and then they pay them moneyMar 08 04:19
ender2070yeah, and waste your moneyMar 08 04:20
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103520836794314.html?mod=WSJ_hp_editorsPicksMar 08 04:20
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DaemonFCBAHAHAHA!!!!Mar 08 04:20
ender2070you kind of have to prove a monopolyMar 08 04:20
Diablo-D3if microsoft is suing you, you'll run out of money first.Mar 08 04:20
ender2070obviouslyMar 08 04:20
ender2070everyone with a patent is engaging in "monopolistic practices" thoughMar 08 04:21
DaemonFCthere have been a few cases where the case was so ridiculous, that Microsoft ended up paying settlement money to people they suedMar 08 04:21
DaemonFCjust o get it out of the court systemMar 08 04:21
DaemonFC*toMar 08 04:21
DaemonFCbefore an unfavorable precedent could be setMar 08 04:22
DaemonFCLindows for exampleMar 08 04:22
ender2070lol you're funnyMar 08 04:23
ender2070Lindows got fuckedMar 08 04:23
ender2070microsoft sued them in every other countryMar 08 04:23
ender2070until they gave upMar 08 04:23
Diablo-D3hmmMar 08 04:24
DaemonFCwrongMar 08 04:24
Diablo-D3I wonder how much a license could be a weaponMar 08 04:24
ender2070not wrongMar 08 04:24
DaemonFCMicrosoft paid them to change their nameMar 08 04:24
ender2070i used to get michaels minutesMar 08 04:24
DaemonFCcause the court case wasn't going wellMar 08 04:24
ender2070linspire was running out of moneyMar 08 04:24
ender2070they were being sued in every countryMar 08 04:24
ender2070they were winning in the USMar 08 04:24
ender2070but they couldnt afford to keep it upMar 08 04:24
ender2070microsoft may have paid them to change their name but thats what they wanted in the first placeMar 08 04:26
oiaohmIn the end Lindows won in every country before MS paid up ender2070Mar 08 04:26
oiaohmMost of the MS cases got thrown out at first court.Mar 08 04:26
ender2070ahh thats good thenMar 08 04:27
ender2070its as silly as mikerowesoftMar 08 04:27
oiaohmlinspire could have kept the name.Mar 08 04:27
oiaohmBut selling the name was a really good chunk of cash.Mar 08 04:27
ender2070yeahMar 08 04:27
ender2070too bad they are the worst distroMar 08 04:27
oiaohmExactly why selling the name was such a good idea.Mar 08 04:28
ender2070i remember when they marketed it as a linux distro that ran every windows appMar 08 04:28
oiaohmThey were not going well selling the distroMar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3hmmmmmmmmmmMar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3hey guysMar 08 04:28
ender2070then it was "some windows apps"Mar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3shut up about linspireMar 08 04:28
DaemonFCender2070, At first, they didn't mention Linux or WineMar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3find me the most harmful to microsoft license you can findMar 08 04:28
DaemonFCthey just said it would be a Windows compatible OSMar 08 04:28
oiaohmXbox 360 SDK licence.  Diablo-D3 that has to be prity close up there.Mar 08 04:29
Diablo-D3oiaohm: durr hurrrMar 08 04:29
ender2070license? ur joking rightMar 08 04:29
ender2070it doesnt cost them anything to make a licenseMar 08 04:29
Diablo-D3I think you two misunderstood meMar 08 04:29
oiaohmNDA on windows source code is fairly nasty as well.Mar 08 04:30
Diablo-D3I want a license so powerful bill gates shits himself over itMar 08 04:30
ender2070ohhhhhMar 08 04:30
ender2070lolMar 08 04:30
Diablo-D3the CDDL kind of comes pretty close.Mar 08 04:30
ender2070just use a clause "Microsoft cannot use this code, nor can any of its partners"Mar 08 04:30
ender2070LOLMar 08 04:30
Diablo-D3see, thats just ignorantMar 08 04:30
DaemonFCthen it's not free softwareMar 08 04:31
oiaohmGPLv3 MS seams to hateMar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3GPLv3 is up thereMar 08 04:31
ender2070yeahMar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3the new patent shit pisses MS offMar 08 04:31
DaemonFCI don't like "bills of attainder" in software licensesMar 08 04:31
ender2070gpl3 means they cant hold onto their patentsMar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3but this CDDL looks really nastyMar 08 04:31
DaemonFCeven RMA would agree with thatMar 08 04:31
DaemonFC*RMSMar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3lol rmaMar 08 04:31
DaemonFCehhhMar 08 04:31
DaemonFCthey need to RMA himMar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3best slip eeverMar 08 04:31
DaemonFCfat hippyMar 08 04:31
DaemonFCbut he's right on some thingsMar 08 04:32
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 04:32
ender2070shut up daemonMar 08 04:32
oiaohmThere is always the few projects that are duel licenced GPLv3 and CDDLMar 08 04:32
oiaohmMesses with them both ways.Mar 08 04:32
ender2070lolMar 08 04:32
Diablo-D3I need something thats half GPLv3 half CDDLMar 08 04:32
DaemonFCgenerally, GPL goes after anti-FOSS behavior, not individualsMar 08 04:33
ender2070hire a lawyerMar 08 04:33
ender2070get something drafted up that combines bothMar 08 04:33
DaemonFCMicrosoft could use GPL software, they just have to abide by the rulesMar 08 04:33
DaemonFCthey won't because they don't want to play by those rulesMar 08 04:33
ender2070cell phone makers dont like gpl3 eitherMar 08 04:34
DaemonFCMicrosoft generally either won't use free software, or incorporate thigns they don't have to give back to.Mar 08 04:34
oiaohmDon't forget as copyright holder you can multi licenceMar 08 04:35
oiaohmThat can get really brain screwing when the licences are incompadible.Mar 08 04:35
oiaohmDepends on the cell phone maker nokia has no problems with it ender2070Mar 08 04:36
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with contributing to FreeBSD as long as you don't mind being an unpaid Apple/Microsoft developer maybeMar 08 04:36
ender2070oiaohm - the ones who use tivoization doMar 08 04:38
DaemonFCwhat all of any significance uses GPL 3?Mar 08 04:38
oiaohmSamba DaemonFCMar 08 04:40
DaemonFCI mean, how easy is it to build a Linux distro and bypass all GPL 3 software?Mar 08 04:41
DaemonFCif someone wanted toMar 08 04:41
oiaohmOk so no windows networkingMar 08 04:41
DaemonFCcould you get away with doing so at this point?Mar 08 04:41
Diablo-D3I dont mind contributing to appleMar 08 04:41
Diablo-D3its microsoft I dont want toMar 08 04:41
oiaohmIt is possiable to build a working OS without GPLv3 but a lot of nice things are missing Diablo-D3Mar 08 04:42
oiaohmOpps DaemonFCMar 08 04:42
oiaohmSorry Diablo-D3Mar 08 04:42
DaemonFCI'd just like to know how GPL 3 so far is blocking non freedom respecting distributions as relates to it's "anti-tivoization"Mar 08 04:42
DaemonFCoiaohm, So it's a pain in the ass, but not out of the question, and your users would notice missing things right away?Mar 08 04:43
oiaohmLots of differernet things have gone GPLv3 in recent years or LGPLv3Mar 08 04:44
oiaohmLike current versions of gimp as well would be out DaemonFCMar 08 04:45
DaemonFCright, but lets say I'm a big evil bastard of a corporationMar 08 04:45
Diablo-D3heyMar 08 04:45
DaemonFCI don't care if a bittorrent client goes GPL 3, there's a million of themMar 08 04:45
Diablo-D3who dual licenses GPL3 and CDDL?Mar 08 04:45
DaemonFCI do care if something is GPL 3 and can't be easily replacedMar 08 04:45
DaemonFCI would be mad if they took out TransmissionMar 08 04:46
DaemonFCthat's turned into quite a nice clientMar 08 04:46
DaemonFCspeaking of torrent clientsMar 08 04:46
DaemonFCI think Ubuntu had Deluge by default and they replaced it with Transmission too soon and I was madMar 08 04:47
DaemonFCcause at that point Transmission was crap and Deluge was where a;; the features wereMar 08 04:47
DaemonFCbut now Transmission has the same features more or less and manages to be 1/4th the resource footprint of DelugeMar 08 04:48
DaemonFCDeluge is even more of a nightmare on Windows B-)Mar 08 04:48
oiaohmCdtools did at one point and caused one hell of a upset in the debian world.  Diablo-D3Mar 08 04:49
Diablo-D3oiaohm: yeah, no one cares about that doucheMar 08 04:50
Diablo-D3schilly can suck my dickMar 08 04:50
oiaohmI did not say sane people did it.  Diablo-D3Mar 08 04:51
Diablo-D3hehMar 08 04:51
Diablo-D3still thoughMar 08 04:51
Diablo-D3I wonder what the outcome would beMar 08 04:52
oiaohmBoth licences on one block of code causes migrains trying to work out how to follow.Mar 08 04:52
Diablo-D3so I just allow a special exceptionMar 08 04:53
oiaohmHmm can CDDL do special exceptions.Mar 08 04:53
Diablo-D3no, but GPLv3 can.Mar 08 04:53
Diablo-D3well, all GPL canMar 08 04:53
oiaohmYep that is where the headache comes in.Mar 08 04:54
oiaohmGPLv3 can be made compadible with CDDL but CDDL normal cannot be made compadible back the other way.Mar 08 04:54
DaemonFCBSD and CDDL are compatibleMar 08 04:54
DaemonFCthat's where ZFS comes in on FreeBSDMar 08 04:55
oiaohmBSD is almost compatible with everything.Mar 08 04:55
Diablo-D3I can just make a special exception that just says something like "This code can be reused in any pure GPLv3 or CDDL project without requiring the other license."Mar 08 04:55
oiaohmSince it basically protection.Mar 08 04:55
Diablo-D3and btw, oiaohm Mar 08 04:55
Diablo-D3I can make any license claim I wantMar 08 04:55
DaemonFCI know I've seen a few CDDL packages in Fedora's repoMar 08 04:55
DaemonFCnot a lotMar 08 04:55
DaemonFCjust regular applications thoughMar 08 04:56
oiaohmEvil is the case someone puts in conditions of both must be followed.  DaemonFCMar 08 04:56
oiaohmOpps Diablo-D3Mar 08 04:56
DaemonFCI'd just use a single license and stick with itMar 08 04:56
Diablo-D3oiaohm: hmm, I could just say ORMar 08 04:56
DaemonFCor make the other license usable only in certain situationsMar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3Or better yetMar 08 04:57
oiaohmor has the issue the project can split in 2 Diablo-D3Mar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3subtly change the CDDLMar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3sue any company or individual that has a copyright claim for the code in this projectMar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3and then just import a tiny bit of Sun code.Mar 08 04:57
DaemonFCyeah, dual license just means that the conditions of the less strict license are the ones a Microsoft or an Apple would abide byMar 08 04:57
ender2070Diablo-D3 - i suggest you hire a lawyer when having your license createdMar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3ender2070: Im not going to actually do it.Mar 08 04:58
Diablo-D3I may just tell RMS to get off his ass and make GPLv4 alreadyMar 08 04:58
oiaohmDepends on the type of duel licence DaemonFC if it an AND or a ORMar 08 04:58
ender2070Diablo-D3 - the fsf had to get the legalese right, they hired a lawyer to get the wording correctMar 08 04:58
oiaohmAND duel licences are real migrains.Mar 08 04:58
Diablo-D3ender2070: see above where I tell RMS to get back to work.Mar 08 04:58
DaemonFCdual licensing GPL and a BSD-ish license is pretty much a nulllification of the GPL provisionsMar 08 04:58
DaemonFCso why bother?Mar 08 04:58
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: no, thats ORMar 08 04:58
ender2070why gpl4Mar 08 04:58
ender2070what would even be in itMar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3ender2070: CDDL fuck you clause.Mar 08 04:59
ender2070lolMar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3CDDL is basically an incompatible GPLv3 but with the fuck you clause bolted onMar 08 04:59
ender2070the fuck you clause is the sue one right?Mar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3yeahMar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3sue us, you cant use the code anymoreMar 08 05:00
ender2070yeah i like that oneMar 08 05:00
oiaohmGPL and BSD licence code can be comide with other code that is BSD without infecting it with GPL.  But big but the source code release requirement on the files themselves are still gpl.  Ie basically really messy way of writing LGPLMar 08 05:00
ender2070imagine SCOMar 08 05:00
ender2070lolMar 08 05:00
Diablo-D3ender2070: exactlyMar 08 05:00
Diablo-D3SCO would basically have NO products leftMar 08 05:00
DaemonFCWhat was that app that MS paid people to write and instead they just misappropriated GPL'd code for the most part and shoved it on CodePlex?Mar 08 05:00
DaemonFCThose people are my heroesMar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3yeahMar 08 05:01
oiaohmBasically and/or meanings are very important with licences DaemonFCMar 08 05:01
DaemonFCthey got paid to give MS a GPL violationMar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3yeah what oiaohm said.Mar 08 05:01
DaemonFCthey're awesomeMar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3you _can_ state AND or ORMar 08 05:01
oiaohmOr AND/ORMar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3I can just form the Diablo Hates You (DHY) license.Mar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3"This license requires you to follow the terms of the GPLv3 _and_ CDDL licenses."Mar 08 05:02
Diablo-D3and then include the text of both beneath that.Mar 08 05:02
ender2070LOLMar 08 05:02
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/23Mar 08 05:04
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Diablo-D3AAAAHHHHHHHHHMar 08 05:04
Diablo-D3HOLY SHITMar 08 05:04
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors - US #Patent http://ur1.ca/oqk6 #holyshit #douchebagsMar 08 05:07
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oiaohmoiaohm wants to screw you completely licence.   "You must follow all the conditions of every Open Source Initiative approved licence ( http://www.opensource.org/licenses ) to be licenced to use this code."Mar 08 05:07
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oiaohmNice the problem with that licence it does not grant you the right to do jack.Mar 08 05:08
Diablo-D3oiaohm: fffffffffMar 08 05:09
oiaohmOf course its not the worst one I have seen.Mar 08 05:11
oiaohmOne of my friends wrote one for sport and strangely enough legal.   That said you had to follow all the condtions as per every software licence in existance.Mar 08 05:12
oiaohmAt least mine gives you somewhere near a sporting chance.Mar 08 05:13
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DaemonFCjono, I've been describing the new theme as "A mirror, darkly"Mar 08 05:23
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 05:23
jonoDaemonFC, good for you :)Mar 08 05:23
DaemonFCthe mirror universe on Star Trek where everyone was insane and evilMar 08 05:23
DaemonFCand SPock had a goateeMar 08 05:23
jonook, this got way too dorky way too quicklyMar 08 05:24
jono:PMar 08 05:24
DaemonFChehMar 08 05:24
*DaemonFC slaps jono with the complete series DVD caseMar 08 05:25
DaemonFCnyaaahMar 08 05:25
jonoolMar 08 05:25
jonololMar 08 05:25
DaemonFCwell, seeing as how there's no hope of support moving past "experimenta;" in Ubuntu 10.04, it looks like I'll be using xorg-edgers for at least another 7-ish monthsMar 08 05:28
Diablo-D3witMar 08 05:28
Diablo-D3wtf?Mar 08 05:28
Diablo-D3WTFPL is a real license!~Mar 08 05:28
DaemonFCerr, mangledMar 08 05:28
DaemonFCexperimental ATI supportMar 08 05:28
DaemonFCthe graphics stack in xorg-edgers totally blows what comes with Lucid out of the waterMar 08 05:28
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 05:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq @daveweigel Well, thank God we got SOMETHING out of the #Iraq #War // try John Pilger: http://bit.ly/d8R6fWMar 08 05:29
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DaemonFCjono, Do you happen to know the policy for them backporting drm support from 2.6.33. As in, will this extend to future kernels, does it extend to ATI or only Nvidia, etc?Mar 08 05:30
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: I cant wait until gallium shaders for radeon is doneMar 08 05:30
DaemonFCwhat I mean is if drm support gets better, do I wait for Ubuntu's next 2.6.32 or should I roll my own?Mar 08 05:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@superacid There are some problematic aspects of "Hurt Locker" // John Pilger agrees: http://bit.ly/d8R6fW #iraq #warMar 08 05:31
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DaemonFCI'm not a great fan of rolling my own kernel, but at least kernel-package isn't broken (like in Karmic) and nvidia-common won't fuck up your DEB packages and make them impossible to uninstall later, I know this probably happened by accident (working properly), but I would like to extend my thanks anyway, jono (just in case it was fixed knowingly, by a human, working on Ubuntu, in a conscious decision) Mar 08 05:33
DaemonFCit's one of those provisional thank yousMar 08 05:34
DaemonFCthe kind I give out when I'm not sure anyone was responsible for unfucking something, but more as a just in caseMar 08 05:35
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 05:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @DaemonFC I know *how* to make backups. The problem is, I didn't. #xfs can't help much with that. And call me in 5 yrs when #btrfs matures.Mar 08 05:36
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 05:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @qu1j0t3 I admit my ignorance of Ext2/3/4 because I don't use them. Many reasons. Is there a good backup tool vs. unmounting and using tar?Mar 08 05:39
DaemonFCjono does not fear the tar command as a backup toolMar 08 05:39
DaemonFCjono is not afraid of anythingMar 08 05:39
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 05:39
DaemonFCjono once tarred an entire clustered Ext3 file system without breaking a sweatMar 08 05:40
DaemonFCin fact, he was going to add the steps to repeat the process to the Official Ubuntu Book, but it would have required the death of thousands of trees to add information that users would not graspMar 08 05:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @DaemonFC it was an OS X 10.4 system, so HFS+. You can pipe a 'ditto' (cpio) archive off it easily enough. No way around it, i'm an idiotMar 08 05:42
DaemonFCjono and Chuck Norris can do clustered backups of Ext3, and nobody elseMar 08 05:42
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ender2070oh nice Diablo-D3 tyMar 08 05:48
Diablo-D3tabfail?Mar 08 05:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Announcing the two winners of the Ubuntu International Women's Day Competition tomorrow - watch live at http://tinyurl.com/ykxqerb #ubuntuMar 08 05:51
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ender2070you linked my siteMar 08 05:51
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/24Mar 08 05:52
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Diablo-D3ahhMar 08 05:52
ender2070but yeah the other one was betterMar 08 05:54
ender2070the patent postMar 08 05:54
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAzOQMar 08 06:27
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Diablo-D3http://whotookspaz.org/randomflash/best_insult_ever.swfMar 08 06:31
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DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA0MAMar 08 06:33
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DaemonFC"When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher's knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross!" -Dirty Harry (explaining why he shot a man)Mar 08 07:23
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 07:23
DaemonFChttp://www.usnews.com/health/family-health/bones-joints-and-muscles/articles/2010/03/07/hiv-hides-out-in-bone-marrow-cells.htmlMar 08 07:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HIV Hides Out in Bone Marrow Cells - US News and World Report .::. Size~: 33.2 KBMar 08 07:38
DaemonFCApparently HIV hides out in bone marrow in a dormant state, waiting until it needs to make copies of itselfMar 08 07:39
DaemonFCCould be part of the reason why reducing blood levels of it won't cure it.Mar 08 07:39
DaemonFCeven if the viral load tests say levels are zeroMar 08 07:40
schestowitzender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uQy3r4uGEMar 08 07:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- DoNotGod Suspended/False DMCA'd .::. Size~: 104.08 KBMar 08 07:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, Remond me to never eat subs from the grocery store again :PMar 08 07:52
DaemonFCjust lucky I had alka seltzers or I'd be in troubleMar 08 07:52
DaemonFCthose are a life saver actually, everything from migraines to food didn't agree with youMar 08 07:53
*DaemonFC uses them for everythingMar 08 07:53
DaemonFCanyway, what's schestowitz doing up at 2:45 EST?Mar 08 07:53
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 07:53
DaemonFCschestowitz usually doesn't appear until 4:00-4:30 ESTMar 08 07:54
DaemonFCsleep troubles again?Mar 08 07:55
DaemonFC;)Mar 08 07:55
DaemonFCI wonder if they make an alka seltzer PMMar 08 07:56
DaemonFCI might get one decent night of sleepMar 08 07:56
ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9N1oCX_nIMar 08 08:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- WEIRD AL SEX TAPE .::. Size~: 141.48 KBMar 08 08:08
schestowitzI's 8am, DaemonFCMar 08 08:11
schestowitzNo troublesMar 08 08:11
DaemonFChehMar 08 08:11
ender2070schestowitz - whats this?Mar 08 08:11
DaemonFCI might buy a police interceptor :)Mar 08 08:13
DaemonFCthe city is going to auction some off when they fire those copsMar 08 08:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Taken to More Nations http://ur1.ca/oqzf http://ur1.ca/oqzgMar 08 08:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Raiden's Realm: Taking Linux into the Wild Woods .::. Size~: 26.64 KBMar 08 08:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Star OS, a Linux Distro Made in North Korea | TechSource .::. Size~: 118.75 KBMar 08 08:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Repairing #Windows Using #GNU #Linux http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1333Mar 08 08:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 81.49 KBMar 08 08:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, Red Star is a GPL violation I'm sureMar 08 08:17
DaemonFCI haven't seen the source for it anywhereMar 08 08:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Radeon R600/R700 #Gallium3D driver now has really basic GLSL shading http://ur1.ca/oqz8 #awesomeMar 08 08:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: jglisse: R600 gallium shader here you are ! .::. Size~: 21.43 KBMar 08 08:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wine 1.1.40 is Released http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.40 http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/wicd-is-good-stuff/Mar 08 08:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WineHQ - Wine Announcement .::. Size~: 35.01 KBMar 08 08:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: wicd is good stuff « Motho ke motho ka botho .::. Size~: 52.45 KBMar 08 08:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microblogging Applications for #GNU #Linux in Review http://ur1.ca/ol91 http://ur1.ca/or01Mar 08 08:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Get the best Twitter app for Linux | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 38.77 KBMar 08 08:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Post Twitter and Facebook status from the GNOME panel .::. Size~: 29.33 KBMar 08 08:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top #GNU #Linux #Games and More on Their Way http://ur1.ca/or03 http://ur1.ca/or04 http://ur1.ca/or05Mar 08 08:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Top 10 Addictive Games on Linux «  DigitalKamera .::. Size~: 23.46 KBMar 08 08:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Gaming News  » Blog Archive   » The Case Of Nexuiz .::. Size~: 81.79 KBMar 08 08:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Gaming News  » Blog Archive   » Eschalon Book II Beta Testers Wanted !  .::. Size~: 26.93 KBMar 08 08:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.5 Insights, New KDE Projects in Development http://ur1.ca/or08 http://ur1.ca/or09 http://ur1.ca/or0aMar 08 08:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: An Interview with KDEPIM Contributor Tobias König | KDE.news .::. Size~: 15.69 KBMar 08 08:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Kubuntu apps repraise « Apachelogger's Log .::. Size~: 17.31 KBMar 08 08:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu One KDE Tech Preview « Apachelogger's Log .::. Size~: 16.43 KBMar 08 08:23
ender2070schestowitz - why did you link me that?Mar 08 08:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The NEW #PCLinuxOS Magazine for March 2010 is Out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43668Mar 08 08:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The NEW PCLinuxOS Magazine March 2010 issue Released | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 28.3 KBMar 08 08:25
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43697Mar 08 08:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Moonlight's Olympic-sized failure | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 28.31 KBMar 08 08:28
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 08:28
Diablo-D3HEHEHEHEHMar 08 08:30
Diablo-D3OH WOWMar 08 08:30
*Diablo-D3 must dent thisMar 08 08:30
DaemonFCNexuiz is going non-free?Mar 08 08:33
*DaemonFC wonders if they'll ditch the GPL'd version as in not maintain itMar 08 08:33
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: bigger issue than thatMar 08 08:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Helps Improve #GNU #Linux for Everyone http://blog.hartwork.org/?p=647Mar 08 08:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hartwork Blog » Bug fixing in Gentoo: How we are performing .::. Size~: 17.01 KBMar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3nexuiz, the non-free version, has nothing to do with the other nexuizMar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3they use virtually none of the art resourcesMar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3and nexuiz, the trademark, has an owner, and hes on board with thisMar 08 08:34
DaemonFCwell yeah, it can be a pain in the ass to relicense something that dozens of people have contributed toMar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3and they paid the guy who wrote the actual engine behind it, darkplaces, a lot of money to continue developing open source softwareMar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: they dont want toMar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3nexuiz is a fucking pile of shitMar 08 08:34
DaemonFCthe guy that relicensed Xchat did it unlawfullyMar 08 08:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Makes #GNU #Linux Work at Deutsche Börse, Elsewhere http://ur1.ca/or1r http://ur1.ca/or1sMar 08 08:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: redhat.com | The World's Open Source Leader .::. Size~: 19.65 KBMar 08 08:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Deutsche Börse leverages Red Hat | Automated Trader .::. Size~: 14.44 KBMar 08 08:35
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: I told the guys behind nexuiz.com that, basically, they're fucking retarded if they wanted to be associated with the pile of shit known as nexuizMar 08 08:35
*Diablo-D3 sits in #darkplaces, btwMar 08 08:35
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: btw, its also for game consoles onlyMar 08 08:35
Diablo-D3its not for PCs.Mar 08 08:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #Debian -derived #Elive 2.0 (With Screenshots) http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2168291705.html?kc=rssMar 08 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EuroGreens resolution to get access to ACTA documents: http://i5.be/azOMar 08 08:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Debian live CD distro rev'd .::. Size~: 36.64 KBMar 08 08:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: B7-0154/2010 .::. Size~: 26.83 KBMar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3so theres no issueMar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3the open source in nexuiz, darkplaces, continues to be fundedMar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3the trademark owner moves from one nexuiz to the other.Mar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3and the nexuiz I know and hate... continues to be worthless shit.Mar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3so theres no issueMar 08 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Conservatives resotution to get access to ACTA documents: http://i5.be/azPMar 08 08:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Builds Services Around #GNU #Linux for Business Models Exploration http://ur1.ca/or29 http://ur1.ca/or2aMar 08 08:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: B7-0158/2010 .::. Size~: 26.62 KBMar 08 08:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu One Music Store - An iTunes Equivalent For Linux Users | All about Linux .::. Size~: 63.92 KBMar 08 08:37
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: people associated with nexuiz.oss are bitching and moaning because "their work has been stolen"Mar 08 08:37
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft and #Novell fails on !Linux "promise" during #Olympics http://ur1.ca/or1c #douchebags !monofree !gnuMar 08 08:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Moonlight's Olympic-sized failure: Blogs - Null Pointer - ZDNet Australia .::. Size~: 85.31 KBMar 08 08:37
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: except nexuiz.com uses virtually no assets from nexuiz.gpl, and they forget to mention thisMar 08 08:37
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: so yeah, theres a huge disinformation campaign going onMar 08 08:38
Diablo-D3but it doesnt matterMar 08 08:38
Diablo-D3nexuiz.gpl sucks, and nexuiz.com is fucked because they are associating themselves with shitMar 08 08:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Appearance/Branding of Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux - Debate Continues http://ur1.ca/or2f http://ur1.ca/or2g http://ur1.ca/or2iMar 08 08:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: First impressions of Ubuntu's new look | Blog | TechPad.co.uk .::. Size~: 20.14 KBMar 08 08:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu Artwork Gaining Momentum - 5 Cool Community Contributed Themes from Ubuntu Artwork Pool | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 85.28 KBMar 08 08:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) Alpha 3 Screenshots Gallery (Updated with new wallpaper,theme) -- Debian Admin .::. Size~: 27.42 KBMar 08 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm 's #Linux -Powered #Phones Position in Review http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/623.htmlMar 08 08:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pre and Pixi Plus: Is WebOS Ready to Take Off? - OFB.biz: Open for Business .::. Size~: 26.32 KBMar 08 08:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #Android Games in Review; Advanced Input Method http://ur1.ca/or2p http://ur1.ca/or2qMar 08 08:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 5 Best Addictive Free Multiplayer Android Games .::. Size~: 49.27 KBMar 08 08:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android Phones Can Now Search via Gesture - Reviews by PC Magazine .::. Size~: 77.1 KBMar 08 08:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Not an Option at Kogan, Just #GNU #Linux on #Tablets http://ur1.ca/or2zMar 08 08:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #rPath Improves Automation in #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/or31Mar 08 08:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: rPath Brings Configuration Management to Next-Generation System Automation Platform | Business Wire .::. Size~: 71.14 KBMar 08 08:47
ender2070[03:26] <DaemonFC> the guy that relicensed Xchat did it unlawfullyMar 08 08:49
ender2070what?Mar 08 08:50
DaemonFCwhen he declared that it was not GPL on WindowsMar 08 08:54
ender2070when was thatMar 08 08:55
ender2070i remember when the author decided to charge for windows binariesMar 08 08:55
ender2070not against the GPLMar 08 08:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Communists and Criminals? No, Just #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/or3jMar 08 08:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Special 301: FOSS users. Now we're all Communists and Criminals  .::. Size~: 40.27 KBMar 08 08:56
DaemonFCender2070, He violated the GPL in any event by not releasing the shareware enforcement codeMar 08 08:56
DaemonFCthe code that enforces the 30 day trialMar 08 08:56
ender2070shareware enforcement code/Mar 08 08:56
ender2070?Mar 08 08:56
DaemonFCyeahMar 08 08:57
DaemonFClocks you out if you don't license it in 30 daysMar 08 08:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Uses #Haiti Atrocities to Promote Its Bullying, MAFIAA Racket Investigated http://ur1.ca/or3k http://ur1.ca/or3lMar 08 08:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: If they are doing it, so can we?  RIAA v File sharers (again) «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 46.03 KBMar 08 08:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Davenport & Lyons/ACS Law to get their very own warning letter? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 55.12 KBMar 08 08:58
ender2070why not just download the source code and compile your ownMar 08 08:58
ender2070duhhhhhMar 08 08:58
DaemonFCthere are some unofficial build that do thatMar 08 08:58
DaemonFCthey all have problems thoughMar 08 08:59
ender2070"compile your own"Mar 08 08:59
ender2070http://xchat.org/files/source/2.8/?N=DMar 08 08:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Index of /files/source/2.8 .::. Size~: 0.87 KBMar 08 08:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases: #FFmpeg 0.5.1, #GRUB 1.98, #Netbeans #VCLTesttool Plugin http://ur1.ca/or3x http://ur1.ca/or3y http://ur1.ca/or3zMar 08 09:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] FFmpeg 0.5.1 Maintenance Release .::. Size~: 15.36 KBMar 08 09:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GRUB 1.98 released. .::. Size~: 6.08 KBMar 08 09:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Netbeans plugin for editing VCLTesttool scripts - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 54.97 KBMar 08 09:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hardware Support in #BSD Takes a Leap http://ur1.ca/or41 http://ur1.ca/or42Mar 08 09:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FreeBSD webcam support: video4bsd | FreeBSD - the unknown Giant .::. Size~: 33.05 KBMar 08 09:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Cloud' Computing No Substitute to #FreeSoftware http://buytaert.net/open-source-in-the-enterprise-and-in-the-cloud #fogcomputingMar 08 09:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source in the Enterprise and in the Cloud | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 29.32 KBMar 08 09:03
ender2070other than that though, xchat sucks ballsMar 08 09:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @_Goblin: So should one buy a fake charity album where the RIAA pockets most of the proceeds or donate to a real charity that donates 100%?Mar 08 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Expected to Lose #Patent Trial Today http://ur1.ca/or4f http://ur1.ca/or4g http://ur1.ca/or4iMar 08 09:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Trial on March 8th Will Highlight VirnetX Patented Security Technologies    .::. Size~: 56.28 KBMar 08 09:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: VirnetX stock soars as Microsoft patent trial nears .::. Size~: 77.27 KBMar 08 09:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft headed back to East Texas to fight another patent infringement case | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 96.57 KBMar 08 09:06
*kevin009 (~kevin@adsl-99-24-133-233.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #boycottnovellMar 08 09:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @timbray: Holy <whatever>, Edward Tufte gets an Obama administration appointment: http://is.gd/9Wrsa There is hope.Mar 08 09:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: European Conservatives resotution to get access to ACTA documents: http://i5.be/azPMar 08 09:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: B7-0158/2010 .::. Size~: 26.62 KBMar 08 09:08
DaemonFCender2070, How exactly does this work. "What cost $1 in 2008 would cost $1.00  in 2009." "Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2009 and 2008, they would cost you $1 and $0.96 respectively."Mar 08 09:08
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 09:09
Diablo-D3sounds like a failfloat somewhereMar 08 09:10
kevin009did you see that ubisoft's servers are down for a brand new game that requires constant connectivity to function?Mar 08 09:12
kevin009i love it!Mar 08 09:12
Diablo-D3yeahMar 08 09:12
Diablo-D3makes me never want to do business with themMar 08 09:12
kevin009yeah i learned my lesson 4 years agoMar 08 09:12
kevin009i purchased *one* game from themMar 08 09:12
kevin009but i can't believe the majority of society allows things like this to happenMar 08 09:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] As a working software developer, the thought of accidentally and unknowingly stumbling into someone’s patent is terrifying: http://i5.be/azQMar 08 09:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Marco.org - Software patents          .::. Size~: 17.71 KBMar 08 09:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO still grants software patents under Bilski: "a specific structure that captures, stores, and displays specific data" http://i5.be/azRMar 08 09:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Today: U.S. Patent Office Reverses §35 U.S.C. 101 Non-Statutory Subject Matter Rejection under Bilski - Florida Patent Lawyer Blog .::. Size~: 27.61 KBMar 08 09:20
ender2070kevin009 - im not surprised, i heard a rumor about one of the piracy groups planning a DDOS because of itMar 08 09:28
DaemonFChahMar 08 09:29
DaemonFCcoolMar 08 09:29
kevin009i guess more information will be found out later in the week when the staff return to investigate the serversMar 08 09:45
kevin009it makes me glad almost all the games I play are 5+ years old and don't do things like thisMar 08 09:45
DaemonFCI hope the servers stay downMar 08 09:46
kevin009lol me 2Mar 08 09:46
DaemonFCpeople get outragedMar 08 09:46
kevin009the worse the situation gets, the more I will laughMar 08 09:46
DaemonFCmaybe Ubisoft will release a patch to disable that shitMar 08 09:47
DaemonFChttp://www.gamedaily.com/games/assassins-creed-2/xbox-360/game-features/ubisoft-drm-authentification-server-is-down-assassins-creed-2-unplayable/Mar 08 09:48
ender2070maybe ubisoft will steal another pirate groups patchMar 08 09:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Assassin's Creed 2 on Xbox 360 Features - GameDaily .::. Size~: 30.12 KBMar 08 09:48
DaemonFChehMar 08 09:49
ender2070Diablo-D3 - you know what I realized ?Mar 08 09:50
ender2070Diablo-D3 - Marty was right about Jennifer and Einstein, they did get left behind in that other parellel universe.Mar 08 09:51
ender2070BTTFMar 08 09:51
Diablo-D3ender2070: noMar 08 09:52
ender2070no?Mar 08 09:52
Diablo-D3the jennifer and einstein in that universe wern't theirsMar 08 09:53
Diablo-D3only marty was the new guyMar 08 09:53
ender2070no i dont think soMar 08 09:53
ender2070they all went from the future didnt theyMar 08 09:53
ender2070into alternate 1985Mar 08 09:53
Diablo-D3I dont remember them having jennifer and einstein with themMar 08 09:54
*kevin009 (~kevin@adsl-99-24-133-233.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net) has left #boycottnovellMar 08 09:54
ender2070she passed out when she saw herselfMar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3oh yeahMar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3ender2070: guess what happensMar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3nothing.Mar 08 09:54
ender2070yeahMar 08 09:54
ender2070lolMar 08 09:54
ender2070thats many worlds theory anywaysMar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3they obviously wern't left behindMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3because ofMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3randomMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3bullshitMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3I dunnoMar 08 09:55
ender2070more stuff not making senseMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3theres several bttf potholes, that isnt the only oneMar 08 09:55
ender2070yeah obviouslyMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3actually, it may not actually be oneMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3bttf doesnt subscribe to many worldsMar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3so the entire second timeline ceased to exist when they fixed itMar 08 09:56
ender2070yeah it assumes causalityMar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3in other words, the universe suddenly changed for jenny and einstein Mar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3just POOFMar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3which also meansMar 08 09:56
ender2070i would think they ended up just creating another universeMar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3there very likey was another jenny and einsteinMar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3assuming they were created in that wildly different timelineMar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3there already was another doc brownMar 08 09:57
ender2070yeahMar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3he was in the nut houseMar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3and never invented the time machineMar 08 09:57
DaemonFCnot such a bad placeMar 08 09:57
DaemonFCthey have drugsMar 08 09:57
ender2070if he couldnt invent it, paradoxMar 08 09:57
ender2070unless alternate universes co-existMar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3ender2070: noMar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3ender2070: because the time change couldn't undo the time machine existingMar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3or any of the occupantsMar 08 09:58
ender2070i knowMar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3because it'd not cause the second time line to begin withMar 08 09:58
ender2070im thinking thats due to many worldsMar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3however, the hilariity isMar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3he never had to cause his parents to fall in loveMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3during the second movieMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3since he couldn't change events that already happenedMar 08 09:59
ender2070that was the firstMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3so yeah, the whole thing is full of lol.Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3ender2070: no, secondMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3he fucks it up the firstMar 08 09:59
ender2070no firstMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3he has to go fix it the secondMar 08 09:59
ender2070second they went into the futureMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3...Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3argh I cant remember!Mar 08 09:59
ender2070they get the book and biff changes the pastMar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3and the funny part isMar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3I have it on my hdMar 08 10:00
ender2070so they go back to the 50s to get the bookMar 08 10:00
ender2070lolMar 08 10:00
ender2070ive watched them all a million timesMar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3dudeMar 08 10:00
ender2070and i have a phenominal memory when I tryMar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3it has plotholesMar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3get over itMar 08 10:00
ender2070lolMar 08 10:00
ender2070we had a discussion about time travel a few weeks agoMar 08 10:00
ender2070oh jeez im up too lateMar 08 10:01
ender2070later allMar 08 10:01
*ender2070 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Mar 08 10:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] just received my new Dell studio 15 laptop, intel core i7, 4GB-1333MHz, 500GB-7200rpm, ATI 512(uhh ) at 69,000/-Mar 08 10:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Kills #Windows Essential Business #Server Due to Low Demand http://ur1.ca/orea #linux #gnu #msftMar 08 10:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Kills Windows Essential Business Server Due to Low Demand | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.97 KBMar 08 10:58
schestowitzDistrowatch numbers scaled re Fedora's numbersMar 08 11:04
schestowitz From: Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com>  (Part of the new AT&T!  Crap service our specialty!)Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz Date: Sunday 07 Mar 2010 15:58:23Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz Groups: comp.os.linux.advocacyMar 08 11:04
schestowitzRather than have a troll make terse, allusive claims, here are the numbersMar 08 11:04
schestowitzthemselves.Mar 08 11:04
schestowitzPotential unique IP addresses with various UNIXEN installed. Estimated by taking Fedora's unique IP estimates and scaling the numbers at Distrowatch as if they were proportional.  Obviously, much room for error, and surely many IPs present more than one distro, so there should be a lot of overlap, greatly reducing the resulting estimate. Nonetheless, a lot of machines are using Linux and other UNIX alternatives.Mar 08 11:04
schestowitzThe resulting estimate is 370,823,713 (3.7e08 if you're a FORTRAN'er <grin>)Mar 08 11:04
schestowitzRank   Distribution    H.P.D   Scaled re Fedora's countMar 08 11:04
schestowitz1      Ubuntu          2355    26541344Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz2      Fedora          1754    19767948 ***Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz3      Mint            1604    18077417Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz4      openSUSE        1428    16093860Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz[...]Mar 08 11:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @eduvid nice rigMar 08 11:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I really need to update my Web profiles, at least to include my Ph.D. in it (though it seems like bragging)Mar 08 11:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] @schestowitz Thanks ;)Mar 08 11:19
oiaohmWonder if MS home server will be next on the cut listMar 08 11:19
schestowitzMaybeMar 08 11:19
schestowitzI hear nothing about itMar 08 11:19
schestowitzAs in, I come across nothing about it in feedsMar 08 11:19
schestowitzEven HP still uses DebianMar 08 11:19
schestowitzHP was the main partner for WHSMar 08 11:20
oiaohmServer department taking cuts is a worry.Mar 08 11:22
tessier__schestowitz: Did you recently finish your PhD?Mar 08 11:25
schestowitztessier__: I haven't done much for yearsMar 08 11:27
schestowitzI wrote much of it in 20067Mar 08 11:27
schestowitzI wrote much of it in 2006Mar 08 11:27
tessier__For some reason I thought you were a grad student stillMar 08 11:27
schestowitzNot reallyMar 08 11:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, I have a copy of thatMar 08 11:28
DaemonFCWindows Home ServerMar 08 11:28
schestowitzI'm hoping to carry on with BNMar 08 11:28
schestowitzDaemonFC: with patches?Mar 08 11:28
schestowitzIt has data loss issuesMar 08 11:28
schestowitzSince 2007Mar 08 11:28
schestowitzIn June 2008 they brought patchesMar 08 11:28
DaemonFCI dunno, I haven't used it muchMar 08 11:28
schestowitzLike 7 months after they found out they were selling data shreddersMar 08 11:28
schestowitzOff the shelfMar 08 11:28
schestowitzNo patchesMar 08 11:28
DaemonFCseems kind of craptastic even for themMar 08 11:29
DaemonFCI have Windows Server 2008 R2 anywayMar 08 11:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/22/windows-data-corruption-server/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/12/windows-home-server-log/Mar 08 11:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Windows Home Server and OOXML Have in Common: They Corrupt Data | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 126.53 KBMar 08 11:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows Home Server: Microsofts Hall of Shame | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 121.36 KBMar 08 11:29
DaemonFCI got it as a "bonus" with a hard drive from NeweggMar 08 11:30
schestowitzIt's just binariesMar 08 11:30
DaemonFCMicrosoft likes to dump things they can't sellMar 08 11:30
schestowitzBonus... only in the world without free codeMar 08 11:30
schestowitzLater I have a post about itMar 08 11:31
DaemonFCyeah, just a disc in a sleeve and a serial numberMar 08 11:31
schestowitzThey now 'donate' to a US museum of scienceMar 08 11:31
DaemonFCliterally all it isMar 08 11:31
schestowitzMillions!!Mar 08 11:31
schestowitzIn donations!!Mar 08 11:31
schestowitzSoftware only!!Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz"We issue a licence"Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz"Sign right here"Mar 08 11:31
DaemonFCtax writeoffMar 08 11:31
Diablo-D3schestowitz: and the mueseum can refuseMar 08 11:31
schestowitzYeah, that tooMar 08 11:31
DaemonFCfor something that cost them nothing to makeMar 08 11:31
Diablo-D3since they probably run linuxMar 08 11:31
schestowitzDiablo-D3: not if they have what Microsoft calls "fox"Mar 08 11:32
schestowitzThey use shills that they call "insider friends"Mar 08 11:32
schestowitzThey just need to sneak them inMar 08 11:32
schestowitzFor a Trojan horse that's lock-inMar 08 11:32
schestowitzSo their successors too are stuckMar 08 11:32
DaemonFCI could kind of forgive Mono if it was just something to help make it easier to move from Windows to LinuxMar 08 11:34
DaemonFClike WineMar 08 11:34
DaemonFCbut it's really the other way around it seemsMar 08 11:34
Diablo-D3wellMar 08 11:34
Diablo-D3its trying to use the java angleMar 08 11:34
Diablo-D3write once, run everywhereMar 08 11:34
DaemonFChelp you depend more on .NetMar 08 11:34
DaemonFCmove to WindowsMar 08 11:35
Diablo-D3except java has worked better on a *nix than anything elseMar 08 11:35
DaemonFCJava runs fine on WindowsMar 08 11:35
Diablo-D3windows has always been a horror fest for java codersMar 08 11:35
DaemonFCcan't speak for OS XMar 08 11:35
Diablo-D3java works great on osxMar 08 11:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Court said that if software patents were granted in US and Europe, then a patent should also be allowed in Israel http://i5.be/azUMar 08 11:42
DaemonFCinsert Jew reference hereMar 08 11:42
DaemonFC:PMar 08 11:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fresh complaints about #Moonlight and about #Mono http://ur1.ca/orj6 #novell #silverlie #microsoft #trojan #patent #swpatMar 08 11:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Moonlight Disappoints | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.18 KBMar 08 11:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, Border Patrol is hiringMar 08 11:47
DaemonFCneeds more people to harass obvious US citizens with "Papers please" gestapo crap while ignoring Mexican fence jumpers I guessMar 08 11:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] See Hacker from Close : 1 AMD Desktop, 1OLPC, 1 Dell intel core i7 and 1 benq ATOM http://post.ly/RRZKMar 08 11:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle:         See Hacker from Close : 1 AMD Desktop, 1OLPC, 1 Dell intel core i7 and 1 benq ATOM - LUG@IITD Community Blog     .::. Size~: 28.13 KBMar 08 11:49
DaemonFC"You might be surprised at how much people are willing to chip in when they can see the results and it doesn’t go to an ever-increasing black-hole of government spending…"Mar 08 12:07
DaemonFCYou're right! Hallelujah!!! I see the light!!! Please allow me to volunteer my labor as a fireman or a garbage collector so the doctors and lawyers in this town don't have to pay taxes! Where do I sign? No better yet...*pulls down pants and bends over* you sign right there. :)Mar 08 12:07
DaemonFCthe reply is mine :)Mar 08 12:07
DaemonFCthat wasn't all of it, but the best part I thinkMar 08 12:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament wants you to use Facebook in order to participate in the debate, where are we going?: http://i5.be/azVMar 08 12:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Headlines and latest news from the European Parliament  .::. Size~: 39.42 KBMar 08 12:16
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703862704575099832389494288.htmlMar 08 12:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Earmarks and Ethics - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 114.07 KBMar 08 12:28
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704869304575104124088312524.htmlMar 08 12:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Districts Explore Shorter School Week - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 116.2 KBMar 08 12:30
DaemonFCall of Chrome's growth came at Firefox's expense this monthMar 08 12:35
DaemonFCIE is steadyMar 08 12:35
oiaohmNext month is the interesting one.Mar 08 12:36
oiaohmhttp://delimiter.com.au/2010/03/08/victoria-expands-linux-e-voting-rollout/  This is interestingMar 08 12:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Delimiter   Victoria expands Linux e-voting rollout .::. Size~: 41.74 KBMar 08 12:42
schestowitzQuickMar 08 12:51
schestowitzWhere is the SCO trialMar 08 12:51
schestowitzWas it Cali?Mar 08 12:51
schestowitzOr Utah?Mar 08 12:51
DaemonFCUtahMar 08 12:51
schestowitzThanks!Mar 08 12:52
schestowitzFor sure?Mar 08 12:52
schestowitzToday's too?Mar 08 12:52
DaemonFCyesMar 08 12:52
DaemonFCdon't know about thatMar 08 12:52
schestowitzWallclimber attends sometimesMar 08 12:52
schestowitzShe hasn't been here for a while in IRCMar 08 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Would Happen to “Boycott #Novell ” If Novell Was Sold in Pieces http://ur1.ca/oropMar 08 12:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Would Happen to “Boycott Novell” If Novell Was Sold in Pieces | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.34 KBMar 08 12:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SCO ’s Latest Cash Infusion and Urgent Call for Volunteers to Attend Trial Today (Utah) http://ur1.ca/orotMar 08 12:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SCOs Latest Cash Infusion and Urgent Call for Volunteers to Attend Trial Today (Utah) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.65 KBMar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3BoycottTheEntireIndustryMar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3lolMar 08 12:57
DaemonFCheh, I filled some potholes in the alley with Jabba's old cat litterMar 08 13:13
*DaemonFC is tired of hitting thoseMar 08 13:13
schestowitzWhat a waste in Digg... I have about 3,000 'friends' there and I don't post there anymoreMar 08 13:14
schestowitzDiablo-D3: never impliedMar 08 13:14
schestowitzDiablo-D3: boycott address behavioursMar 08 13:14
schestowitz*boycottsMar 08 13:14
schestowitzTo change themMar 08 13:14
DaemonFChttp://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1425/1000542b.jpgMar 08 13:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 08 13:16
DaemonFCStreet dept. volunteer assigned to potholesMar 08 13:16
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid See Hacker from Close : 1 AMD Desktop, 1OLPC, 1 Dell intel core i7 and 1 benq ATOM http://post.ly/RRZKMar 08 13:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle:         See Hacker from Close : 1 AMD Desktop, 1OLPC, 1 Dell intel core i7 and 1 benq ATOM - LUG@IITD Community Blog     .::. Size~: 28.13 KBMar 08 13:17
DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8555018.stmMar 08 13:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 91.42 KBMar 08 13:23
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DaemonFCMinceR, Friend of yours?Mar 08 13:39
DaemonFCahhh. more alka seltzersMar 08 13:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: you photograph your lunch?Mar 08 13:45
DaemonFChuh?Mar 08 13:45
schestowitzI'm kidding.Mar 08 13:45
schestowitzHe's obeseMar 08 13:45
DaemonFCyeah, big kittyMar 08 13:45
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Blogs | Quassel IRC .::. Size~: 24.99 KBMar 08 13:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, The human shelter said they found him out wandering aroundMar 08 13:46
DaemonFChe had a name tag on that said YulMar 08 13:46
DaemonFCbut I renamed him JabbaMar 08 13:46
DaemonFC*humane shelterMar 08 13:47
schestowitz:-DMar 08 13:47
schestowitzWow. I haven't blogged in 3 months.......Mar 08 13:47
DaemonFChe can move thoughMar 08 13:48
DaemonFChe got out the door one day a few years ago and I ended up chasing him for several blocksMar 08 13:48
DaemonFCfound him hiding in a bushMar 08 13:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3449/20100220122624.jpgMar 08 13:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 08 13:51
DaemonFCI did take a picture of my lunch one dayMar 08 13:51
DaemonFCI haven't gone back to Pizza Hut for a salad in a while though cause I got a migraine headache one night and puked it all back upMar 08 13:52
DaemonFCbut I will go back there eventuallyMar 08 13:53
DaemonFCthat's one of my favorite things to make a meal ofMar 08 13:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's another reason I like extra strength alka seltzers so muchMar 08 13:53
DaemonFCthey kick in fast and take the edge off a migraineMar 08 13:54
DaemonFCI'm prone to migraines and have a medicine cabinet full of every kind of pain pill, I'm partial to aspirin though because it works bestMar 08 13:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] A question for British people only. When talking/thinking/looking at items to be discarded. Do you say/think/imagine "Trash" or "Rubbish" ?Mar 08 13:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update to my personal site, microblogging feeds http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/03/08/update-to-site-microblogging/Mar 08 14:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Update to Site, Microblogging .::. Size~: 31.14 KBMar 08 14:01
MinceRDaemonFC: noMar 08 14:01
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Missed my 6:30 bus. Now in 7:15 shuttle.Mar 08 14:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: you turned salad to a pile of lardMar 08 14:09
schestowitzSalads don't taste niceMar 08 14:09
DaemonFCheheMar 08 14:09
schestowitzUnless you make s/t else out of themMar 08 14:09
schestowitz"I just had the salad......"Mar 08 14:09
DaemonFCuhhm, there was some egg and bacon bits in thereMar 08 14:09
DaemonFCpoppyseed dressingMar 08 14:09
schestowitz" ....... with mayo, an croutons, and chicken pieces, etc..."Mar 08 14:10
schestowitzPeople fool themselvesMar 08 14:10
schestowitz"I just had the salad......"Mar 08 14:10
MinceR(animated) http://separi.wippiespace.com/img/25596.gifMar 08 14:10
DaemonFCit's better than most of what I eatMar 08 14:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 08 14:10
DaemonFCI'll just go with thatMar 08 14:10
schestowitzBurger King could improve the image of its nutritionMar 08 14:10
schestowitzWrap burgers in lettuceMar 08 14:10
schestowitz"I just had some lettuce.. with fillingsMar 08 14:11
DaemonFCschestowitz, People do the damage to themselvesMar 08 14:11
DaemonFCgetting rid of supersized fries isn't going to stop thatMar 08 14:11
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Omar87Hi all.Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFCsome asshole makes a "documentary" where he forces himself to overeat at every meal and then omg, son of a bitch!Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFChe gains weight at the endMar 08 14:12
DaemonFC*shock*Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Super Size Me" shows what a lack of journalistic integrity passes for a "documentary"Mar 08 14:13
MinceRi thought the point was that people really do regularly eat fast food for lunchMar 08 14:14
MinceRin jesuslandMar 08 14:14
DaemonFCMinceR, Not like thatMar 08 14:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks everyone.Now as @sil @grahambinns figured this is on a computer.Would you still say "Rubbish" on a computer desktop?Mar 08 14:16
DaemonFCthe guy went to such extremes MinceR Mar 08 14:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] This is not 'What is it called where you are', but 'What should the dustbin be called on a computer'Mar 08 14:17
DaemonFCit's like Russian Roulette with six loaded chambersMar 08 14:17
DaemonFClolMar 08 14:17
oiaohmYou can still by pure luck live threw that.Mar 08 14:19
oiaohmNot all rounds work.Mar 08 14:19
DaemonFCMinceR, If you eat three meals a day of the biggest things on the menu, regular soda, chocolate shakes, etc.Mar 08 14:19
DaemonFCyou WILL gain LOTS of weightMar 08 14:19
DaemonFCwhat else could possibly happen?Mar 08 14:19
MinceRno contest thereMar 08 14:19
MinceRbut the question is, do people really do that?Mar 08 14:20
oiaohmDeath DaemonFCMar 08 14:20
DaemonFCMinceR, A few extreme cases maybeMar 08 14:20
DaemonFCyou see the occasional hippo lady at WalmartMar 08 14:20
DaemonFCriding around one of the electric scooter cartsMar 08 14:20
DaemonFCI call them the fatmobileMar 08 14:21
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 14:21
MinceR:DMar 08 14:21
DaemonFCMinceR, I actually got chewed out one day at Walmart (when I was an hourly, before I was a manager there)Mar 08 14:21
DaemonFCcause I saw one of them coming and said "Run, it's Godzilla!'Mar 08 14:22
DaemonFCnot loud enough for her to hear, but one of the management suckups decided to report itMar 08 14:22
DaemonFCMinceR, I can understand being 20-30 pounds overweightMar 08 14:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #TiVo Wins, #VirnetX vs #Microsoft Decision Imminent, Patent Rackets Thrive http://ur1.ca/orvsMar 08 14:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Patents Roundup: TiVo Wins, VirnetX vs Microsoft Decision Imminent, Patent Rackets Thrive | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.64 KBMar 08 14:24
DaemonFCthose woman are more like 100 pounds or more overweightMar 08 14:24
DaemonFCactually, probably more like 150 or moreMar 08 14:24
DaemonFCif they're riding the fatmobile around WalmartMar 08 14:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Don't run #Apache on #Windows , people. Eva. http://ur1.ca/orw9Mar 08 14:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apache bug prompts update advice - News - Security - ZDNet Australia .::. Size~: 65.71 KBMar 08 14:27
DaemonFCI used to run Apache on Windows 2000Mar 08 14:29
oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/22969/MS_Shows_Same_Game_Running_on_Windows_Phone_Xbox  More limited platform methodsMar 08 14:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MS Shows Same Game Running on Windows, Phone, Xbox .::. Size~: 27.63 KBMar 08 14:35
schestowitzSeen thatMar 08 14:43
schestowitzIt's a yawnerMar 08 14:43
schestowitzI'm gonna write about phones shortlyMar 08 14:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] For those wondering why I asked Trash/Rubbish:- http://bit.ly/9Qtpax I don't understand how the stats @mpt has can be 'wrong'.Mar 08 14:44
schestowitzMicrosoft messed it upMar 08 14:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bug #406626 in One Hundred Paper Cuts: “Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named” .::. Size~: 73.04 KBMar 08 14:44
schestowitzIt tosses away all old appsMar 08 14:44
schestowitzI showed you yesterday when I come to think of itMar 08 14:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Message to #Microsoft : Dumping of Zeros and Ones is Not a Donation http://ur1.ca/os02 #boston #fsf #museumMar 08 14:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Message to Microsoft: Dumping of Zeros and Ones is Not a Donation | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.75 KBMar 08 14:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EPO nominating a software patent proponent and enforcer in the name of Peter Landrock (Cryptomathic): http://i5.be/azY http://i5.be/azXMar 08 15:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: EPO - Nominees announced for the European Inventor Award 2010 .::. Size~: 14.78 KBMar 08 15:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Cryptomathic: Cryptomathic Files Suit Against BSS, Norge for Patent Infringement .::. Size~: 84.28 KBMar 08 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] In favour of software patents: http://i5.be/az0Mar 08 15:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: In favor of software patents  | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 67.99 KBMar 08 15:09
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lyleI gotta head out in a secMar 08 15:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] good! uk paper driver licence ok in australia, with passport! may use bro-in-law's car too, save on hiring. no idea date yet though.Mar 08 15:14
lylebut thought you should know, Jeff Jaffe (old CEO of Novell) just became CEO of the w3cMar 08 15:14
lylehttp://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000131-264.htmlMar 08 15:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ex-Novell CTO takes Web leadership post | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 72.33 KBMar 08 15:15
lyleer, I guess he was CTO (not CEO) of NovellMar 08 15:15
schestowitzYes, I knowMar 08 15:16
schestowitzHe's a swpats fanMar 08 15:16
schestowitzI have a post on it comingMar 08 15:16
lyleah, okMar 08 15:16
DaemonFCOur Chamber of Commerce president is stepping down and taking credit for "creating jobs" on the way out even though our unemployment rate locally is over double where it was in 2007Mar 08 15:17
lylespeaking of patentsMar 08 15:17
lylewhat happens to novell's patents if they get bought by elliot?Mar 08 15:17
DaemonFCand the only reason those jobs came is because the companies don't have to pay any taxes to reside hereMar 08 15:18
lyleand elliot sells bits and piecesMar 08 15:18
oiaohmHighest bidder lyleMar 08 15:18
lylecould spell trouble for linuxMar 08 15:18
oiaohmNot really.Mar 08 15:18
oiaohmAnyone trying to use them could find them in a world of trouble.Mar 08 15:18
lylenot if patent trolls get themMar 08 15:19
oiaohmSince Novell signed a legally binding agreement covering all there patents.Mar 08 15:19
DaemonFCI wonder if there are any HUD dollar homes hereMar 08 15:19
lyleoiaohm: where?Mar 08 15:19
DaemonFCthe banks have foreclosed on everyone, so maybeMar 08 15:19
oiaohmSo they cannot be used against open source ever.Mar 08 15:19
lyleno, you are thinking of the patents they gave to OINMar 08 15:19
lylebut they didn't give all of theirs to OINMar 08 15:19
oiaohmPart of the OIN agreementMar 08 15:19
oiaohmTo have a seat on there.Mar 08 15:20
oiaohmIt not just give patents lyleMar 08 15:20
lyleok, but they won't be Novell's patents once they are sold to a patent trollMar 08 15:20
oiaohmNow those patents being used against Microsoft and other closed source companies would not be in breach.Mar 08 15:20
lyleand the patent troll will not have agreedMar 08 15:20
lylethat agreement only states that *Novell* won't sueMar 08 15:21
oiaohmEven when sold the take out of the patent agreements still stand unless those agreements expires.Mar 08 15:21
oiaohmThe oin agreement does not have an expirely.Mar 08 15:21
oiaohmThe Microsoft one does.Mar 08 15:21
lylewell, I don't have time to talk about this atmMar 08 15:22
lylegotta run to classMar 08 15:22
lylebyeMar 08 15:22
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DaemonFCI might search for a rent to own deal on a houseMar 08 15:24
DaemonFCbeats signing a loanMar 08 15:24
oiaohmThe big thing most people are not aware is the OIN agreement also covers patent sales.Mar 08 15:25
oiaohmIBM writing agreements does a great job.Mar 08 15:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OggCamp GGW - Geeks Gone Wild - FLMGO (For Like Minded Geeks Only) lolMar 08 15:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] It is becoming impossible to invent new services on the web without the permission of a patent holder http://i5.be/az2Mar 08 15:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: VC Explains How Damaging Software Patents Can Be | Techdirt .::. Size~: 76.92 KBMar 08 15:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] More police raids to fight patent infringers, or 51 exhibitors busted for patent infringement at CEBIT: http://i5.be/az3Mar 08 15:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CeBIT crackdown: 51 exhibitors busted for patent infringement -- Engadget .::. Size~: 147.69 KBMar 08 15:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] More police raids to fight patent infringers, or 51 exhibitors busted for patent infringement at CEBIT: http://i5.be/az4Mar 08 15:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple, Siemens and Sisvel patent infringement leads to CeBIT booth raid -- Engadget .::. Size~: 202.83 KBMar 08 15:53
Ender2070I found a political party I can stand behind, finallyMar 08 15:53
Ender2070http://www.pirateparty.ca/Mar 08 15:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Pirate Party of Canada .::. Size~: 12.94 KBMar 08 15:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Haiti among dozens of countries where #US & others daily dump huge amounts of unlabelled toxic waste http://bit.ly/aMAp6j #pollution #crimeMar 08 15:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Socialist WebZine: Dumping Ground of the Caribbean: Haiti and Toxic Waste .::. Size~: 153.96 KBMar 08 15:54
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DaemonFChttp://www.pirate-party.us/Mar 08 15:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Apple calls the German police to stop alledged patented products: http://i5.be/az5Mar 08 16:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SemiAccurate :: Apple calls in the German police for CeBIT raids  .::. Size~: 23.43 KBMar 08 16:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Invaded by #Microsoft : Middle East, MOD Systems, #NComputing , and Move http://ur1.ca/os81 #hrMar 08 16:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Invaded by Microsoft: Middle East, MOD Systems, NComputing, and Move | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.4 KBMar 08 16:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Invaded by #Microsoft: Middle East, MOD Systems, #NComputing & Move http://ur1.ca/os81 #hr // everyone pays for this lunacyMar 08 16:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Invaded by Microsoft: Middle East, MOD Systems, NComputing, and Move | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.4 KBMar 08 16:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Few seem to realise how far women's rights have already backslid in the West, & would slide further if the loony right gets a say. #feminismMar 08 16:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RyanMcGreal Wait, what? Sarah Palin used to cross the border for Canadian health care. http://is.gd/9XU36 // wouldn't you? :) #hcr #gopMar 08 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #W3C Poisoned by Promoters of #SoftwarePatents Who Attack #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/oscw #swpat #novellMar 08 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] building machines to kill people, as best we can, selling them, for as much as we canMar 08 16:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: W3C Poisoned by Promoters of Software Patents Who Attack GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.72 KBMar 08 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it's what we do," here in the 21st century. killin' machines.Mar 08 16:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ick, must have forgotten to block @ migueldeicaza. got hit with an RT. Fixed. #microsoft #corruption #monoMar 08 16:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] You know something's wrong when u dream about Bill Gates. I grabbed the grey beret off his head & smacked him in the face with it #microsoftMar 08 16:39
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/15/AR2010021501410.htmlMar 08 16:40
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DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Today, the advice to Benjamin Braddock is: "UAVs." #war #businessMar 08 16:41
DaemonFCGo ahead punk, make my day!Mar 08 16:41
DaemonFC:DMar 08 16:41
DaemonFCI'd never own a revolver anywayMar 08 16:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] W3C hijacked by software patent proponents: http://i5.be/az6Mar 08 16:43
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DaemonFCthey blow powder all over the place and they're impossible to silenceMar 08 16:43
DaemonFCwell, I take that back, I did have a revolver, I got it for free, and I sold itMar 08 16:44
DaemonFCthough I did use it for target shooting a few timesMar 08 16:44
MinceRthey also can shoot very few shots before reloading :>Mar 08 16:44
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_60Mar 08 16:45
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DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_MagnumMar 08 16:46
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DaemonFCthese things penetrateMar 08 16:47
DaemonFCthat's about the only good thing you can say for themMar 08 16:47
DaemonFCfeels like you're shooting an elephant gunMar 08 16:47
DaemonFCyou're basically trading accuracy for brute force if you choose these over these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_SpecialMar 08 16:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: .38 Special - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 61.23 KBMar 08 16:48
DaemonFCthe .38 special rounds are probably a better ideaMar 08 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] US Patent Reform promoting cheap patents, good rebate for patent trolls, 75% price reduction: http://i5.be/az7Mar 08 16:50
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DaemonFCMinceR, I still favor the Hi Point .40 S&W Mar 08 16:51
DaemonFCit's tacky, but damn if it doesn't work wellMar 08 16:51
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Model_40SWMar 08 16:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hi-Point Model 40SW - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 21.8 KBMar 08 16:52
DaemonFCit's my baby :)Mar 08 16:52
DaemonFClight, almost no kickback, good stopping power, reliable, and very cheapMar 08 16:53
DaemonFCif you're only going to have one handgun, I'd say get thisMar 08 16:53
DaemonFCMinceR, the .40 S&W is used extensively by the police and FBIMar 08 16:56
DaemonFCand I can kind of see whyMar 08 16:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #nowplaying "yaarai keetu enthan nengil idapakkam nee thaan nulaidhayo?" ~ Boys #ARRMar 08 16:57
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DaemonFChmmm, that's oddMar 08 17:02
DaemonFCthis place has .357 rounds cheaper than .38 Special +PMar 08 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@daveweigel This Palin quote -seemingly- endorses Canadian health care http://bit.ly/9giGyh //golly gee, back then, Canadia wasn't Soviet!!Mar 08 17:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Palin: Growing Up, I Hustled Over the Border For Health Care «  The Washington Independent .::. Size~: 23.47 KBMar 08 17:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@splorp splorp I wonder what else @google fucked up overnight? // I think /. has a story on it #appengineMar 08 17:06
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MinceRhttp://entresminutos.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/religion-ballot-screen/Mar 08 17:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Religion Ballot Screen « Revele su rollo en tres minutos .::. Size~: 30.17 KBMar 08 17:12
DaemonFCMinceR, http://www.huntington.in.us/egov/docs/123542846396.htmMar 08 17:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: City of Huntington: Handgun Regulations .::. Size~: 13.05 KBMar 08 17:15
DaemonFCAll Indiana carry licenses now allow you to carry it concealed tooMar 08 17:16
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 17:16
MinceRgood for youMar 08 17:16
DaemonFCI still won't, makes it harder to reach forMar 08 17:17
FurnaceBoyyou use it a lot in public?Mar 08 17:17
FurnaceBoyor are you talking about your dick?Mar 08 17:17
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Usually whenever I go somewhereMar 08 17:18
DaemonFCyou must have missed the conversationMar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoyi mean "reach for it," obviouslyMar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoyno, i didn't miss: "DaemonFC | All Indiana carry licenses now allow you to carry it concealed too"Mar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC | I still won't, makes it harder to reach forMar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoyyou reach for it  frequently?Mar 08 17:18
DaemonFCahhh, I mean I don't want to need it and double the time it takes to unholster itMar 08 17:19
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoywhy not?Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFCof courseMar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoyi knew what you meantMar 08 17:19
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FurnaceBoyjust can't figure out why this is an actual daily issuMar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoyeMar 08 17:19
DaemonFCcause I might need to shoot someone and not get to it in timeMar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoyahhMar 08 17:19
DaemonFCand they kill me insteadMar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoywow, where do you live, Somalia?Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFCno, there I'd have an AK-47 and hijack shipsMar 08 17:20
DaemonFCjust not US shipsMar 08 17:20
FurnaceBoymaybe you should fix up your country instead of contributing to the problemMar 08 17:20
DaemonFCbecause the US would fucking kill me and rescue the hostagesMar 08 17:20
DaemonFCEurope just pays whatever I demandMar 08 17:20
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 17:20
DaemonFCI'm a smart pirateMar 08 17:21
DaemonFCor you know, the US would gouge out my eyeballs and skullfuck me before unscrewing my head and shitting down my Somali pirate neckMar 08 17:21
FurnaceBoyfantasyMar 08 17:21
FurnaceBoykeep it to yourselfMar 08 17:21
DaemonFCwhile Europe is a bunch of pussies that will pay me to go away, for nowMar 08 17:22
FurnaceBoyyour problem is wayyyy too much HollywoodMar 08 17:22
DaemonFCnah, there was only one surviving pirate from the group that took that US shipMar 08 17:22
DaemonFCand he apparently thought we were taking him to disney land and not prisonMar 08 17:22
DaemonFC(probably same thing when you're from Somalia)Mar 08 17:23
DaemonFCto quote Al Bundy "Congratulations, you just won an all expense paid trip to Disney Fist!" *whack*Mar 08 17:24
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 17:24
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Name one instance where the EU just shot them and rescued the crew vs. giving in to the demands, paying the ransom, and having another ship hijacked tomorrowMar 08 17:25
DaemonFCthat's right, you can'tMar 08 17:25
DaemonFCwhen you reward them, they come backMar 08 17:26
DaemonFCit's like me spraying those raccoons out foraging through my garbage with vinegar in the eyesMar 08 17:26
DaemonFCthey learn that they got pwned and don't come backMar 08 17:27
DaemonFCthey're not stupidMar 08 17:27
DaemonFCif I fed them, they would come back and bring their friendsMar 08 17:27
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Ender2070_[12:03] <MinceR> http://entresminutos.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/religion-ballot-screen/Mar 08 17:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Religion Ballot Screen « Revele su rollo en tres minutos .::. Size~: 30.14 KBMar 08 17:36
Ender2070_either him or wordpress made it difficult to actually save the imageMar 08 17:36
Ender2070_without getting a 404 html fileMar 08 17:36
MinceRi clicked it, got a full-sized image, then saved it and succeededMar 08 17:37
MinceR(i suspected correctly that the original image was available)Mar 08 17:37
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Ender2070_whenever i try to save it in firefox it tries to save an html fileMar 08 17:38
Ender2070_i had to save it to clipboard and paste it in kolourpaintMar 08 17:38
Ender2070_i can view it in ff thoughMar 08 17:39
Ender2070_i just wanted my own copyMar 08 17:39
MinceRperhaps a script is messing with it -- i've blocked them via NoScriptMar 08 17:39
Ender2070_perhapsMar 08 17:40
Ender2070_i even grabbed the url and tried wgetMar 08 17:40
scienteswhat of note has happened in lst few weeks?Mar 08 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning you wonderful Internet people!Mar 08 17:43
Ender2070_ummMar 08 17:43
Ender2070_ubisoft released a fail gameMar 08 17:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] One call down, seven to go.Mar 08 17:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Good luck! ♺ @webmink: Today is my Last Day of employment At Sun: (well, it became Oracle on March 1st in the UK but.. http://bit.ly/bDRtkMMar 08 17:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ✍ Last Day At Sun « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 48.74 KBMar 08 17:44
scientesi don't pay attention to gamesMar 08 17:44
scienteseven blizzard isn't that good anymoreMar 08 17:44
scientessince being bought by vivindi mega-corp that is involved in water privitizationMar 08 17:44
Ender2070_im just looking at my blogMar 08 17:45
scienteshow they milk WoWMar 08 17:45
scientesinstead of making betterMar 08 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Bleeding continues: @webmink is leaving s/SUN/Oracle/ today. After an excellent work, I can only wish him the best of luck for the future!Mar 08 17:46
scientesYes men culture that pervades most productionsMar 08 17:46
scientesand ruins itMar 08 17:46
Ender2070_Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors - US Patent, School Administrator Brags about Laptop Spying, Lefty from ACCESS accuses Richard Stallman of rape advocacy, Chip based Debit Cards - DEFEATED, KDE 4.4 Final in Fedora 12Mar 08 17:46
Ender2070_some of my headlinesMar 08 17:46
scientesmeh KDE 4.4Mar 08 17:47
scienteswhats new?Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_you should check BN, and goblins site for more varietyMar 08 17:47
Ender2070_hereMar 08 17:47
Ender2070_http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/16Mar 08 17:47
scienteslinux 2.6.33 looked coolMar 08 17:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE 4.4 Final in Fedora 12 | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 8.24 KBMar 08 17:47
scienteshttp://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_33Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_screenshots of some of the new featuresMar 08 17:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux 2 6 33 - Linux Kernel Newbies .::. Size~: 143.01 KBMar 08 17:47
scientesesp drdb and nouveauMar 08 17:47
Ender2070_ignore that part about it being in kde-unstable though, they pushed it to regular updatesMar 08 17:47
Ender2070_in fedoraMar 08 17:47
scienteswhat about the netbook UI?Mar 08 17:48
scientesit is really buggy in ubuntu 9.10Mar 08 17:48
Ender2070_oh I never tried itMar 08 17:48
Ender2070_i dont have a netbookMar 08 17:48
scientesalso i'm still waiting for a good poulsbo driverMar 08 17:49
Ender2070_everything is buggy in microbuntuMar 08 17:49
scientesmeh, sortofMar 08 17:49
scientesthey were the only one that had packaged itMar 08 17:49
Ender2070_bsMar 08 17:49
scientesintel released the Z520 which has a propritary graphics chipMar 08 17:49
MinceRblizzard used to be good? that's new.Mar 08 17:49
Ender2070_fedora would've had it if it was outMar 08 17:49
scientesMinceR, wutMar 08 17:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Hacker Medley Podcast" (mini review) http://bit.ly/9Xd0YDMar 08 17:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Shows Why #GNU #Linux is Safer Than #Microsoft #Windows http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/08/battery-chargers-and-malware/Mar 08 17:50
Ender2070_ubuntu mangled pulseaudio and pissed off the author of itMar 08 17:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hacker Medley Podcast | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 23 KBMar 08 17:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apache Shows Why GNU/Linux is Safer Than Microsoft Windows; Microsoft Makes Batteries Dangerous | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.46 KBMar 08 17:50
scientes<Ender2070_> ubuntu mangled pulseaudio and pissed off the author of itMar 08 17:50
scientesagreedMar 08 17:50
Ender2070_redhat hired himMar 08 17:50
scientesI always have to reinstall ALSA, which they have basically depricayedMar 08 17:50
MinceRdid they ever manage to make a good game? (game, not a bunch of good graphics and/or sounds on top of click-on-the-monster disguised as random genre)Mar 08 17:50
scientesthey even removed <10k of really essential alsa toolsMar 08 17:50
Ender2070_mincer - its blizzard ;)Mar 08 17:50
scientesthat you have to manually reinstall to get alsa workingMar 08 17:50
scientesits a PITAMar 08 17:51
MinceREnder2070_: yeah, my fault for asking. :>Mar 08 17:51
Ender2070_scientes - well if you try fedora it has an excellent sound control panel for it that i haven't seen in other distrosMar 08 17:51
scientesI like debianMar 08 17:51
Ender2070_scientes - called "PulseAudio Control Panel" and it gives you full control of everythingMar 08 17:51
scientesand ill see if apt-cacher-ng works with rpmsMar 08 17:51
MinceRthere is a control panel for APP, isn't there?Mar 08 17:51
scientesbut i really like debian package controlMar 08 17:51
MinceReven in debian/ubuntu, except not installed by defaultMar 08 17:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #US-run #torture & #rendition program in operation decades before abuses of the Bush admin #cia #war #gtmo #crime http://bit.ly/bVgf5MMar 08 17:52
Ender2070_mincer - blizzard loves to sit on games and just milk them till they slow downMar 08 17:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Roots of the CIA's Rendition and Black Sites Program | World News |Axisoflogic.com .::. Size~: 50.45 KBMar 08 17:52
scientesbut i think i'll move to debianMar 08 17:52
MinceRiirc someone mentioned it hereMar 08 17:52
scientesthe timed releases are coolMar 08 17:52
MinceREnder2070_: they seem to only milk the hypeMar 08 17:52
scientesEnder2070_, use toMar 08 17:52
scientesI meanMar 08 17:52
Ender2070_mincer - blizzard sat on starcraft for years before wc3Mar 08 17:52
scientes<Ender2070_> mincer - blizzard loves to sit on games and just milk them till they slow downMar 08 17:52
Ender2070_sat on wc3 for years before wowMar 08 17:52
scientesthats really just WoWMar 08 17:52
Ender2070_nahMar 08 17:52
scientesthe rest of the games are one-time purchacesMar 08 17:52
Ender2070_people still play starcraftMar 08 17:53
MinceREnder2070_: all their "RTS"es sucked heavilyMar 08 17:53
scientesso they dont make any money off people still playing itMar 08 17:53
Ender2070_sure they doMar 08 17:53
scientesand its only <$20 a copyMar 08 17:53
Ender2070_the in-game lobby still has advertisementsMar 08 17:53
scientesthats hardluy anythingMar 08 17:53
scientesand it just advertised WoWMar 08 17:53
Ender2070_it sold books, etc tooMar 08 17:53
scientesWoW is very differntMar 08 17:53
Ender2070_yeahMar 08 17:53
scientes<Ender2070_> it sold books, etc tooMar 08 17:53
Ender2070_wow is world of warcrackMar 08 17:53
scientesmeh, that seemed like a boardroom thingMar 08 17:54
scientesvivendi bsMar 08 17:54
Ender2070_thats a weird xchat bugMar 08 17:54
scientesD3 looks like it will be far too arcade styleMar 08 17:54
Ender2070_hehMar 08 17:54
MinceRwhat's "far too arcade style" for blizzard?Mar 08 17:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @KagroX Palin "used to hustle over the border for health care..in Canada..now, isn't that ironic" // no, it's dishonest hypocrisy #hcrMar 08 17:55
scientesand SC3 doesn't even have LAN play cause vivendi wants to completely control multiplayerMar 08 17:55
Ender2070_lets see, starcraft and c&c tiberian sun competedMar 08 17:55
Ender2070_by the time wc3 came out, westwood had released emporer: battle for dune, red alert 2 and were working on generalsMar 08 17:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @KagroX Palin "we used to hustle over the border for health care..in #Canada" /how many Canadians did she see heading the other way? #hcrMar 08 17:56
scientesthe blizzard RTS have always had better approachabilityMar 08 17:56
scientesand less neuroticMar 08 17:56
Ender2070_nahhhMar 08 17:56
Ender2070_i hate themMar 08 17:57
scientesbut i dont thing SC2 will be any goodMar 08 17:57
Ender2070_too much micro management requiredMar 08 17:57
MinceRyes, if by "better approachability" you mean "no need to think, just click-click-click"Mar 08 17:57
scienteslolMar 08 17:57
Ender2070_having to harvest several different types of resources sucksMar 08 17:57
scienteslolMar 08 17:57
MinceRless unit types, lower unit limits, pathetic controls, lots of micromanagement, almost nothing elseMar 08 17:57
scientesyou just want dominationMar 08 17:57
Ender2070_i like the c&c games betterMar 08 17:57
scientessomething like AOE4Mar 08 17:57
Ender2070_you harvest ore, or tiberiumMar 08 17:58
scienteswhich i find boringMar 08 17:58
MinceRi prefer TAMar 08 17:58
scientestoo calculatedMar 08 17:58
Ender2070_TA?Mar 08 17:58
MinceR(still didn't find the time to try SupCom)Mar 08 17:58
MinceRTotal AnnihilationMar 08 17:58
MinceR(or Spring with the XTA mod)Mar 08 17:58
Ender2070_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_(computer_game)Mar 08 18:01
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Ender2070_looks interesting actuallyMar 08 18:01
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MinceRamong other things, it adds a freely movable camera and a heat map of metal distributionMar 08 18:02
MinceR(the latter makes it much easier to place metal extractors correctly :> )Mar 08 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to announce the winners of the Ubuntu International Women's Day Competition live at http://tinyurl.com/d5v4xg #ubuntuMar 08 18:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon.. Computers .::. Size~: 57.71 KBMar 08 18:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 8 Historical Facts England Tends To Be Quite Quiet About http://apiphile.livejournal.com/2279746.html by @apiphileMar 08 18:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Adult Content Notice .::. Size~: 13.8 KBMar 08 18:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I enjoyed watching Rey Mysterio deliver a nice bowl of misery to the Straight Edge Society last Friday! xD #WWE #SmackdownMar 08 18:32
Ender2070_OH FUCKMar 08 18:32
Ender2070_Now MS has ex-novell staff running the w3cMar 08 18:32
Ender2070_http://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/10180073936Mar 08 18:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / David Schlesinger: RT @natfriedman: Congratul ... .::. Size~: 10.1 KBMar 08 18:32
Ender2070_Nat FriedmanMar 08 18:32
Ender2070_oh noMar 08 18:32
Ender2070_Jeff JaffeMar 08 18:32
Omar87Hi all.Mar 08 18:33
Ender2070_http://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/10167420001Mar 08 18:33
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Ender2070_Omar87 - web standards are going to die nowMar 08 18:33
Omar87Guys, ya know something? With every passing day, I keep finding more evidence that we the BN community are absolutely on the right track by fighting Novell and their M$-Mono scam.Mar 08 18:34
Omar87Ender2070, thanks to Billy Gates and his clown Steve Ballmer.Mar 08 18:35
Omar87For example, earlier today, a friend of mine who's a staunch Microsoft pawn, wants to try Linux. And guess what distro he has chosen..Mar 08 18:36
MinceRthey're not the only ones killing web standardsMar 08 18:36
MinceRcrApple, google and Nokia are assistingMar 08 18:36
Omar87MinceR, I know.Mar 08 18:36
Ender2070_oh now they are LITERALLY doing itMar 08 18:36
Ender2070_i bet they wont add anything not in IE9Mar 08 18:36
Omar87Even Google?Mar 08 18:36
Ender2070_Google follows standardsMar 08 18:37
Ender2070_chromium passed acid3 100/100Mar 08 18:37
MinceRtheir web apps don't follow standardsMar 08 18:37
MinceRsee google fail as an exampleMar 08 18:37
Omar87Ender2070, I bet IE passed acid3 -100/100. :PMar 08 18:37
MinceRalso, they killed ogg from html5Mar 08 18:37
MinceRoops, they didn't remove it from there, just are opposing it nowMar 08 18:38
MinceRnokia and crApple acted in time, and google joined the anti-ogg group only recentlyMar 08 18:38
Omar87MinceR, they are opposing ogg??Mar 08 18:38
Ender2070_noMar 08 18:38
Ender2070_firefox doesnt even pass acid3Mar 08 18:39
MinceROmar87: yesMar 08 18:39
Omar87MinceR, okay, this sucks.Mar 08 18:39
Ender2070_IE doesnt even come closeMar 08 18:39
MinceROmar87: youtube doesn't support it in html5, only h.264Mar 08 18:39
Ender2070_at least Google isn't novellMar 08 18:39
Omar87MinceR, Youtube is a very notorious website when it comes to providing support for open formats.Mar 08 18:40
MinceRyes, and it's googleMar 08 18:41
Ender2070_http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/25Mar 08 18:41
Omar87MinceR, exactly.Mar 08 18:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: There go our web standards..... | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 7.16 KBMar 08 18:41
Omar87MinceR, that's one of the main reason why I hate and extremely oppose the "Corporate" way of doing things.Mar 08 18:42
Omar87MinceR, most/all corporations are more than ready to commit massacres if it's gonna make them good profit, let alone breaking some web standards.Mar 08 18:45
Omar87"Non-profit" is the way to save this world from collapsing, imho.Mar 08 18:45
MinceRbetter be careful even with thatMar 08 18:46
Omar87'coz if doesn't benefit you, it won't harm you.Mar 08 18:46
MinceRfor example, while mozilla's intentions aren't necessarily sinister, they have an interesting structureMar 08 18:46
MinceR(a for-profit organization being a subsidiary of a non-profit organization or the other way around, i'm not sure)Mar 08 18:47
Omar87MinceR, that's why I said "most corporations".Mar 08 18:47
MinceRothers could copy that layoutMar 08 18:47
MinceRthen there's gates' "foundation", which is probably claimed to be non-profitMar 08 18:47
MinceRoh, and of course cults are "non-profit" tooMar 08 18:48
MinceRso i wouldn't trust the "non-profit" label by itselfMar 08 18:48
Omar87MinceR, Cannonical is a for-profit that maintains an almost non-profit project, which they later injected a trojan horse into.Mar 08 18:48
MinceRindeedMar 08 18:48
Omar87MinceR, The Gates Foundation is also an exception. It's like a Mafia agent establishing a rehab hospital for drug addicts.Mar 08 18:50
schestowitzW3C took acidMar 08 18:53
schestowitzAnd it won't passMar 08 18:53
Ender2070_schestowitz - http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/25Mar 08 18:54
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schestowitzYesMar 08 18:54
schestowitzI read it a moment agoMar 08 18:54
Ender2070_ceo of w3cMar 08 18:55
schestowitz http://ur1.ca/oscw Mar 08 18:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: W3C Poisoned by Promoters of Software Patents Who Attack GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.72 KBMar 08 18:55
Omar87schestowitz, W3C doesn't own acid?Mar 08 18:56
Ender2070_lol...Mar 08 18:56
Ender2070_i think he meant lsdMar 08 18:56
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Omar87Uh-huh. So bottomline, all we can say now is: "RIP W3C".. -_-Mar 08 18:57
Omar87But then, by the collapse of W3C, what's next?Mar 08 18:58
Ender2070_it won't collapse but it will be infected and uselessMar 08 18:58
DaemonFCI suggested filing a lawsuit against IDEM and the EPA if we have toMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCover them holding up the Nature's Fuel dealMar 08 18:59
DaemonFC:PMar 08 18:59
Ender2070_huhMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCsome company that wants to give us a million dollars a year and free trash pickup to let them turn garbage into fuelMar 08 19:00
DaemonFCthe EPA would apparently prefer us to use the current landfill than something that would actually protect the environmentMar 08 19:03
DaemonFChttp://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/08/1518870/california-senator-says-hes-gay.htmlMar 08 19:05
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DaemonFCyeehawMar 08 19:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft to Use #FDA Official to Take Over Patient Records in the United States http://ur1.ca/osy3 #idcards #govMar 08 19:10
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Omar87Ender2070: Actually that's even worse. Because people will continue to trust it blindly.Mar 08 19:10
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Hmm, finally committed some stuff. App is multi threaded :P . Sadly i can't commit code from office :(Mar 08 19:12
schestowitzhttp://www.govtech.com/gt/articles/748171Mar 08 19:13
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Omar87Ender2070, actually the W3C has already been infected a long time ago by having one of the most famous HTML and CSS learning websites built with ASP.NET, the most notorious frameworks when it comes to standards. (i.e. www.w3cschools.com)Mar 08 19:15
schestowitzSymb' just keeps reannouncing news http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/symbian-throwing-largest-mobile-os-open-source-668528Mar 08 19:15
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schestowitzOmar87: they had CHris Wilson from MSFTMar 08 19:15
schestowitzSo yeah, the war on JS goes way backMar 08 19:15
schestowitzW3C ACIDMar 08 19:15
Omar87JS?Mar 08 19:16
Omar87Java Script?Mar 08 19:16
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/02/patents-drm-in-w3c/Mar 08 19:16
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/ecmajavascript-ecma-ooxml/Mar 08 19:16
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Omar87schestowitz, the war against these criminal is gonna be a very long and tiring journey. :-)Mar 08 19:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Ulakathile Ivlo Ponnungal eruthum ..Na Yean Jessy ye Love Panne..?" My fav dialogue in #VTV what is yours?Mar 08 19:17
DaemonFCI just reported another Ubuntu bugMar 08 19:17
DaemonFCyayMar 08 19:17
Omar87DaemonFC, Gwibber is still problematic.Mar 08 19:20
DaemonFClast week it wouldn't start up at allMar 08 19:20
DaemonFC:PMar 08 19:20
DaemonFChaven't launched it sinceMar 08 19:20
DaemonFCeasier to just use PidginMar 08 19:20
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Omar87DaemonFC, Gwibber is exciting, if it weren't for that stupid bug.. -_-Mar 08 19:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Alright, so basically, now we can officially announce that the #W3C is screwed after Jeff Jaffe (AKA. Zonker) is its new CEO.Mar 08 19:27
Omar87schestowitz, pingMar 08 19:28
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schestowitzaCKMar 08 19:33
Omar87schestowitz, with every passing day, I find more evidence that we are doing the right thing by exposing Novell's crimes.Mar 08 19:35
*schestowitz installs ekigaMar 08 19:36
Omar87schestowitz: for example. Earlier tonight, a friend of mine, who's a staunch M$ kool-aider decided to try Linux. And guess which distro he'll be using..Mar 08 19:36
schestowitzMonoX?Mar 08 19:36
Omar87schestowitz, no, I mean really.. :)Mar 08 19:36
Omar87Which one do you think?Mar 08 19:37
DaemonFCGNOME 2.29.92 is starting to pour inMar 08 19:37
Omar87schestowitz, OpenSuse.Mar 08 19:37
Omar87schestowitz, Why? "Because it's Microsoft-supported"..Mar 08 19:38
Ender2070_LOLMar 08 19:39
Omar87Ender2070, exactly.Mar 08 19:40
MinceRat least he got that rightMar 08 19:40
Omar87Ender2070, it's really ludicrous, yet slightly sad in the same time.Mar 08 19:40
Ender2070_you know, MS did support BobMar 08 19:40
Ender2070_hahahahaMar 08 19:40
Omar87Ender2070, MS had chew the flavor out of Novell now. And basically Novell's flavor has started to fade away, so the end it probably gonna sound like: "PTUI!!"Mar 08 19:44
Omar87is* probably gonna sound like...Mar 08 19:45
MinceRthey haven't tried to cash in on the investmentMar 08 19:45
MinceRyetMar 08 19:45
Omar87MinceR, Novell, you mean?Mar 08 19:46
MinceRyesMar 08 19:47
MinceRmore specifically, the injection of mono into gnome and some distrosMar 08 19:47
Omar87MinceR, I don't see how cashing in on the investment at this level's gonna do them any good.Mar 08 19:48
Omar87Novell's already drowning rapidly now.Mar 08 19:48
MinceRthey could create some FUD against desktop GNU/Linux alreadyMar 08 19:49
MinceRthey can't win big, of courseMar 08 19:49
Ender2070_novell could sue ibm for unix copyrights in linuxMar 08 19:49
Ender2070_just like its canopy group partner scoMar 08 19:49
MinceRi guess soMar 08 19:49
Ender2070_let sco die so novell can bring better evidenceMar 08 19:50
MinceRmaybe they're making novell private so ibm can't just buy it out when novell sues?Mar 08 19:50
Ender2070_maybeMar 08 19:50
MinceRif oiaohm was here, he'd probably tell me why it isn't a good idea :>Mar 08 19:50
Ender2070_ill be backMar 08 19:51
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Omar87Plus, I believe we can also help at crippling their agenda by: a)Fighting back against the trolls (e.g.: The Linsux goons). and b)Keep on calling for the banishing of Mono.Mar 08 19:51
MinceRthey've already achieved some success at injectingMar 08 19:51
MinceRgnome, *suse, ubuntuMar 08 19:52
MinceRprobably others, tooMar 08 19:52
Omar87MinceR, which is why merely exposing them is not enough. I mean it's good, and very important, yet still we have to do something more than just that.Mar 08 19:52
MinceRwhat would that be?Mar 08 19:53
DaemonFChmmmMar 08 19:53
DaemonFCyou can sue a child molester under the RICO ActMar 08 19:54
Omar87MinceR, as I just said, we can't let those goons at Linsux and other places yap all night long and sit there doing merely nothing.Mar 08 19:54
MinceRare you pondering what i'm pondering? :>Mar 08 19:55
Omar87MinceR, plus, we have to keep annoying the guys at the Ubuntu dev team by ringing the "No Mono!!" bells in their ears every now an then.Mar 08 19:56
Omar87and*Mar 08 19:56
Omar87MinceR, what are you pondering? :)Mar 08 19:56
MinceRif that annoys them at allMar 08 19:56
MinceRi think i'd be reprimanded if i revealed that here ;)Mar 08 19:56
Omar87MinceR, oh, I think it does. And if it doesn't annoy them now, it will do later. I guarantee you.Mar 08 19:57
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Omar87MinceR, :DMar 08 19:57
Omar87MinceR, we have to just keep on pinching their ears open and screaming "NO MONO!!!" right into them.Mar 08 19:58
Omar87MinceR, for example, instead of removing the GIMP from the default install, they could've remove mono and keep GIMP and the result would still be the same (or even better).Mar 08 20:00
Omar87and kept*Mar 08 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Today is International Women's Day - my thoughts and competition winners! http://is.gd/9YMNn #ubuntu #women #ubuntuwomenMar 08 20:01
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MinceROmar87: we've probably lost that alreadyMar 08 20:01
Omar87MinceR, though I believe if we ponder it a little longer, we can come with whole list of things we can do to stop Novell.Mar 08 20:02
Omar87MinceR, nah.. It's never too late to revert this situation.Mar 08 20:02
Omar87MinceR, if the Ubuntu team didn't listen to us now, they will tomorrow, and if not tomorrow then after tomorrow..Mar 08 20:03
Omar87Plus, I don't see how just sitting there doing nothing would be any better, ya know..Mar 08 20:04
Omar87We have to try and keep trying.Mar 08 20:04
Omar87And it has to succeed someday soon.Mar 08 20:05
scientesthat would be the reason for me to switch to fedora over debianMar 08 20:05
scientesa policy against monoMar 08 20:05
MinceRi thought fedora didn't have such a policyMar 08 20:06
scienteswell tomboyMar 08 20:06
MinceRat least someone here said there's mono on the fedora dvd and installs by defaultMar 08 20:06
MinceRDaemonFC didMar 08 20:06
scienteso0OMar 08 20:06
MinceRiircMar 08 20:06
Omar87We also have to explain to them that we're NOT against the development and advancement of the Ubuntu project. Which is why we have started this campaign in the first place.Mar 08 20:06
scientesbut otherwise i really like debianMar 08 20:06
scientesand faster releases will be really goodMar 08 20:07
scientesmaybe evey 12 months or soMar 08 20:07
Omar87scientes, I hear Debian is Mono-free, right?Mar 08 20:07
scientesthe default, which is very, very sparseMar 08 20:07
scientes*default gnomeMar 08 20:07
scientesthe default desktop should have more appsMar 08 20:08
scientesso its more usable by a common userMar 08 20:08
scientesand a installable live CDMar 08 20:08
scientesthese are simple things that make ubuntu Way eaier for a new userMar 08 20:08
scientesaka gnome-desktop-utilities, firefox, OO, gimp, some picture managerMar 08 20:09
scientesa IM clientMar 08 20:09
scientesbecause new users are often clueless about installing applicationsMar 08 20:09
scientesand it isn't that hard to meet like 90% of what they might want to useMar 08 20:10
scienteswith a few appsMar 08 20:10
scienteslook at Microsofts exampleMar 08 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] With it being International Women's Day, and my mum just joining Twitter (@muttoninn), why don't we all encourage our mum's to do the same!Mar 08 20:11
scientesthey create a mote by their windows-only and wierd UI "live essential" squiteMar 08 20:11
scientesmeant to meet those basic needsMar 08 20:11
scientesa basic desktop install must have these apps, as users expect themMar 08 20:11
scientesit isn't 1995Mar 08 20:11
scientesor 2001Mar 08 20:12
scienteseven XP had messenger by defaultMar 08 20:12
scientes(which I would never use, but to make a point)Mar 08 20:12
scientesthats a big reason by ubuntu is successfulMar 08 20:12
scientes*whyMar 08 20:12
Omar87MinceR, I really felt a burst of joy rushing into my chest when I silenced Mr. Psychopath over at FSDaily.Mar 08 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] I hereby proclaim this coming Saturday International Mens Day. Beer, Pretzels, ESPN, and no bitching.Mar 08 20:14
DaemonFC:DMar 08 20:14
MinceR:)Mar 08 20:14
scientesit could be a seperate taskselMar 08 20:14
scientesthat is used when installing of a live CDMar 08 20:15
scientesbut thats a big thing debian needsMar 08 20:15
DaemonFCMinceR, You notice how "I don't want any special treatment" is always what you hear before they start having entire months dedicated to their group?Mar 08 20:15
MinceRi don't follow them so closelyMar 08 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sábia decisão do Governo: TGV só Lisboa-Vigo (pelo menos para já).Mar 08 20:16
schestowitzekiga is very simple... almost too simpleMar 08 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 9am laptop works just as fine as usual. 1h30min later, doesn't even power on. fortunately work had a replacement one at hand.Mar 08 20:18
schestowitzDoes anyone here use it?Mar 08 20:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, No, I mainly use SkypeMar 08 20:18
DaemonFCbetter rates, can get an incoming number Mar 08 20:19
schestowitznetwork effectMar 08 20:19
DaemonFCI think with Ekiga, they have to dial some 800 numberMar 08 20:20
DaemonFCand punch in your extensionMar 08 20:20
DaemonFCoh, and Skype has all you can eat plansMar 08 20:20
DaemonFCEkiga does notMar 08 20:20
scientesdoes ekiga support that GNU encrypted SIP protocol?Mar 08 20:20
scientesend-to end encryptionMar 08 20:21
scientesthe protocol designed by the PGP guyMar 08 20:21
scientes^^telephonyMar 08 20:21
MinceRskype is malwareMar 08 20:22
MinceRbut if you like joining botnets... :>Mar 08 20:22
schestowitzscientes: not sure, but some Fedora person who comments in BN sometimes did the encryption package, IIRCMar 08 20:23
schestowitzMinceR: I just need to convince some WIndows users to install ekigaMar 08 20:24
schestowitzIt was beta the last time I checkedMar 08 20:24
MinceRthey could use any other audio/video conferencing app that supports SIPMar 08 20:24
MinceRit's an open standard, unlike skypeMar 08 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Already replaced Windows logo sticker with a sticker with the image in this shirt http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/badvista-shirtMar 08 20:26
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scienteshttp://www.gnutelephony.org/Mar 08 20:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNU Telephony .::. Size~: 17.01 KBMar 08 20:26
scienteshttp://lwn.net/Articles/354827/Mar 08 20:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LinuxCon: Building a secure IP telephony system [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 19.88 KBMar 08 20:27
scientes^^^thar we goMar 08 20:27
scientesZRTPMar 08 20:27
scientesI want a easy-to-setup version of thatMar 08 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Será que o Governo vai reduzir a despesa utilizando mais Software Livre ou vai continuar a "doar" fortunas desnecessárias?Mar 08 20:28
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scientesgamecube and wii controler support!Mar 08 20:34
scientesare they usb?Mar 08 20:35
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Ender2070If you install "everything" on the Fedora 12 DVD then yes, it installs monoMar 08 20:37
Ender2070but thats way too much bloat anywaysMar 08 20:37
MinceRwhat sort of option is it? something like tasksel, with a separate checkbox for mono?Mar 08 20:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #tnparty is not very friendly to blind citizens (too flashy)Mar 08 20:38
MinceRor something like "The Full Install"?Mar 08 20:38
schestowitzhttps://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/02/25/1632209/Youtube-Pulls-Original-Rickroll-VideoMar 08 20:38
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schestowitzSo nobody here uses ekigaMar 08 20:39
scientesooo, suport on those platformsMar 08 20:39
Ender2070Mincer - you can do a full install or you can customize the individual programs that are included, or use default kde or gnome desktopsMar 08 20:40
Ender2070default kde and gnome dont have monoMar 08 20:40
MinceReven from the DVD?Mar 08 20:41
schestowitzhttp://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/whatever-happened-to-programming/Mar 08 20:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Whatever happened to programming? «  The Reinvigorated Programmer .::. Size~: 154.71 KBMar 08 20:42
schestowitz /. did a lot of MSFT advertising over the weekend, it seemsMar 08 20:42
Ender2070the DVD you have to tell it to install monoMar 08 20:43
Ender2070which happens if you say everythingMar 08 20:43
MinceRicMar 08 20:43
MinceRseems like a pretty good policy to meeMar 08 20:43
MinceRs/.$//Mar 08 20:43
Ender2070if you just click click click through the install you won't have it :)Mar 08 20:43
MinceR:)Mar 08 20:44
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sebsebseb123Mar 08 20:49
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/03/07/0319253/Ars-Technica-Inveighs-Against-Ad-BlockingMar 08 20:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | Ars Technica Inveighs Against Ad Blocking .::. Size~: 192.54 KBMar 08 20:49
schestowitz"As ad revenues go down, many sites are lured into running advertising of a truly questionable nature. We've all seen it happen."Mar 08 20:49
schestowitzHahaMar 08 20:49
schestowitzSays /.Mar 08 20:49
schestowitzIronicMar 08 20:49
Ender2070yeahMar 08 20:50
Ender2070they had flash ads yesterdayMar 08 20:50
schestowitzhttp://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/ubuntu-colors/Mar 08 20:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu colors «  Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 16.65 KBMar 08 20:50
tessier_Ad Block Plus FTWMar 08 20:51
schestowitzEnder2070: for visual studio 2069?Mar 08 20:51
tessier_If ad revenue isn't enough for them let the site go away.Mar 08 20:51
schestowitzThunderbird has that tooMar 08 20:51
schestowitzIt comes preinstalled with KonquerorMar 08 20:51
Omar87schestowitz, so what do you think?Mar 08 20:52
schestowitzBenjamin, is that you? http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/european-data-retention-directive-debate/ zoobab_Mar 08 20:52
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schestowitzOmar87: yes, I agreeMar 08 20:52
schestowitzI was chatting earlier, couldn't repondMar 08 20:52
schestowitzEkiga works for meMar 08 20:52
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Omar87schestowitz, shouldn't we start screaming "No Mono!!" into the ears of the Ubuntu dev team people?Mar 08 20:52
schestowitzNow, if I could only get rid of Flash in YouTube...Mar 08 20:53
schestowitzOmar87: just harms UbuntuMar 08 20:53
schestowitzCounter productiveMar 08 20:53
Omar87schestowitz, how so?Mar 08 20:53
Ender2070actually I have a better ideaMar 08 20:53
Omar87Ender2070, please enlighten us.Mar 08 20:53
Omar87:)Mar 08 20:53
Ender2070why not make a series of videos explaining the problemsMar 08 20:53
Ender2070people dont like to readMar 08 20:53
MinceRsebsebseb: 234Mar 08 20:54
Ender2070especially usersMar 08 20:54
schestowitzYou're better off explaining the problemMar 08 20:54
schestowitzThen people turn sour on MonoMar 08 20:54
schestowitzNo demand and rants demote it naturallyMar 08 20:54
schestowitzEnder2070: make a videoMar 08 20:54
schestowitzI'll make ogg from itMar 08 20:54
schestowitzPut it in BNMar 08 20:54
schestowitzDaemonFC can do that tooMar 08 20:54
schestowitzHe has a good voiceMar 08 20:55
Ender2070when I make one it'll already be ogg/theoraMar 08 20:55
schestowitzThat Steve Jobs video I put up (ogg) got 2k-3k requestsMar 08 20:55
schestowitzpwnedMar 08 20:55
Ender2070:DMar 08 20:55
Ender2070pitivi kicks assMar 08 20:56
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Energizer-DUO-Trojan-May-Have-Infected-PCs-for-3-Years-278172/Mar 08 20:57
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DaemonFCmight want to mention thisMar 08 20:57
Ender2070he didMar 08 20:57
Ender2070lol the battery charger with conficker on itMar 08 20:58
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8924 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.htmlMar 08 20:58
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schestowitzDaemonFC: already in bnMar 08 20:58
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/08/battery-chargers-and-malware/Mar 08 20:58
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DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189801/yahoomicrosoft_deal_makes_bing_better_doj_says.htmlMar 08 21:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Novell_Should_Stop_Sponsoring_the_BSA_Which_Lobbies_Against_Free_Software_in_VietnamMar 08 21:08
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schestowitzDaemonFC: seen itMar 08 21:08
schestowitzDOJ and Microsoft are closeMar 08 21:08
schestowitzRemember Charney?Mar 08 21:08
schestowitz"Internet tax"?Mar 08 21:08
schestowitzhe's from DOJMar 08 21:08
schestowitzMicrosoft hired him in 2008Mar 08 21:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Shops remix. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/30253.htmlMar 08 21:10
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I'd support a per-incident fine on both Microsoft and the userMar 08 21:12
DaemonFCto deal with botnet caused damagesMar 08 21:13
DaemonFCthe government fines negligent pet owners when the thing gets loose and attacks someoneMar 08 21:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wow: "Ubuntu is mainly for Linux-based Operating systems." http://ur1.ca/otbd Do they think it's a program?Mar 08 21:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Latest Ubuntu 10.04 LTS(Lucid Lynx) Operating System, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS | 9 Computer Store .::. Size~: 41.63 KBMar 08 21:14
bruce89oh dearMar 08 21:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, that's not the only thing wrong hereMar 08 21:15
DaemonFC"Previously, the same company released 11 types of Operating systems."Mar 08 21:15
schestowitzYeah, I saw thisMar 08 21:16
schestowitzIt didn't fit a tweetMar 08 21:16
DaemonFCdesktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, netbook, serverMar 08 21:16
DaemonFCheheMar 08 21:16
schestowitzWhere does the "Eleven" come from?Mar 08 21:16
DaemonFCsee, 11Mar 08 21:16
schestowitzConfusion?Mar 08 21:16
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schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/week-in-tech-purple-is-the-new-brown-edition.arsMar 08 21:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Week in tech: purple-is-the-new-brown edition .::. Size~: 28.52 KBMar 08 21:19
schestowitzSee? Purpose.Mar 08 21:19
schestowitzNow Ubuntu will have a "Gay" stigmaMar 08 21:19
schestowitz*PurpleMar 08 21:19
schestowitzChristian groups will ban UbuntuMar 08 21:20
schestowitzJust like they did with that TeletubbyMar 08 21:21
DaemonFCschestowitz, They'll get all Tinky Winky on it evenMar 08 21:21
DaemonFC:(Mar 08 21:21
schestowitzYeahMar 08 21:21
schestowitzBeat me to itMar 08 21:21
schestowitzUbuntu CEMar 08 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz don't forget WUBI!Mar 08 21:23
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/10-10-Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-announced-948464.html "Canonical's Ubuntu Community Manager Jono Bacon has announced that the next Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) will be take place from the 10th to the 14th of May"Mar 08 21:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 10.10 Ubuntu Developer Summit announced - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.71 KBMar 08 21:23
schestowitzwho the heck is this jono person? :-)Mar 08 21:23
DaemonFCjono might be purpleMar 08 21:23
DaemonFClet's spread rumorsMar 08 21:23
DaemonFCj/kMar 08 21:24
jonoschestowitz some arsehole :)Mar 08 21:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: His wife would not appreciate itMar 08 21:24
DaemonFCassholes and idiots playing horseshoes and hand grenadesMar 08 21:25
DaemonFCright jono?Mar 08 21:25
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schestowitzhttp://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6892260.html "GnuCash is not as slick as its commercial counterparts, but it seems to get the job done."Mar 08 21:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Help line: Tech savvy or not, find a way to protect data | Business |  Chron.com - Houston Chronicle .::. Size~: 47.19 KBMar 08 21:25
schestowitzHe means proprietaryMar 08 21:25
schestowitzNot "commercial"Mar 08 21:25
jonoDaemonFC, lolMar 08 21:26
schestowitzjono: the theme is better than before, BTWMar 08 21:27
jonoschestowitz thanks!Mar 08 21:27
jonoI prefer it too :)Mar 08 21:27
schestowitzSome people don't like dark shades. I still like Qt for contrast in GUI, but that's just meMar 08 21:27
schestowitzIn 2002 I developed in gtk with some nice themesMar 08 21:28
schestowitzI'll show you.....Mar 08 21:28
schestowitzLike this: http://schestowitz.com/Projects/kmdupdate-2.htmlMar 08 21:28
schestowitzThat was 8 years ago. I don't understand why themes still suck in gtkMar 08 21:29
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schestowitzIt was better looking than XP at the timeMar 08 21:30
schestowitzAnd XP was very newMar 08 21:30
schestowitzI used Enlightenment for developmentMar 08 21:30
schestowitzI blame SUSE for getting me hooked on KDEMar 08 21:30
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/37373-are-these-the-last-days-of-novell-as-we-know-itMar 08 21:31
DaemonFCI've been camped out watching Dirty Harry moves all dayMar 08 21:32
DaemonFC:pMar 08 21:32
*DaemonFC notices jono clutching MonoMar 08 21:33
DaemonFCI know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk? Mar 08 21:33
jonololMar 08 21:33
Ender2070lolMar 08 21:34
schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2010/03/07/a-walk-on-the-winter-road/Mar 08 21:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   A Walk on the Winter Road at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 24.94 KBMar 08 21:34
DaemonFCjono, I want a .44 magnum, but they're damned expensiveMar 08 21:34
schestowitzYou never shootMar 08 21:34
*ianto has a Walther P88 ;)Mar 08 21:34
Ender2070NaziMar 08 21:35
schestowitzHere's DaemonFOX: :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81lK87r1RTMMar 08 21:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- drunk guy owned by shotgun 1 .::. Size~: 110.1 KBMar 08 21:35
jonohehMar 08 21:35
DaemonFCI'm going to have to stick to my .40 S&W, .45 ACP most likelyMar 08 21:35
DaemonFCI carry the .40 S&W on me most of the timeMar 08 21:36
Ender2070wow firefox hates meMar 08 21:36
DaemonFCit's not Dirty Harry, but it'll probably work just fineMar 08 21:36
iantoDaemonFC: Isn't that illegal?  Concealsed firearms and all?Mar 08 21:37
DaemonFCno, I have a lifetime licenseMar 08 21:37
DaemonFCcosts $125Mar 08 21:37
DaemonFCthat also lets you conceal it now if you want toMar 08 21:37
DaemonFCthe only restrictions are, I can't take it into a courthouse, and I can't go into a K-12 school with it (but I can have it on me if I'm just dropping someone off or picking them upMar 08 21:38
Omar87[schestowitz: Put it in BN]Mar 08 21:38
DaemonFCIndiana also recognizes all out of state permits under the same rules as an Indiana personal protection permitMar 08 21:39
Omar87schestowitz: See, that's our problem, to be honest.Mar 08 21:39
DaemonFCjono, In other words, I only have to take it off to go into the courthouseMar 08 21:39
Omar87Putting stuff in BN is something good indeed, and I have nothing against it.Mar 08 21:39
DaemonFCI can wear it in WalmartMar 08 21:39
jono:)Mar 08 21:39
DaemonFCI can wear it in the moviesMar 08 21:39
iantoDaemonFC: Is there really a need to have a firearm on you 24/7?Mar 08 21:40
DaemonFCianto, I'm legally entitled toMar 08 21:40
Omar87But I think we should start to act a little more outside the boundaries of BN.Mar 08 21:40
iantoDaemonFC: I'm legally entitled to smoke,  I choose not toMar 08 21:41
DaemonFCianto, I have several holsters, one of them is a utility belt like the police wear, which I can fit a retractable baton, a can of pepper spray, and several other things intoMar 08 21:41
bruce89I've got a recording of the "first there was vinyl: now there's MP3"Mar 08 21:41
bruce89advertMar 08 21:41
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DaemonFCianto, I also got a bulletproof vest for freeMar 08 21:41
DaemonFCpretty cool huh?Mar 08 21:42
iantoDaemonFC: Are you really that terrified of being an American citizen?Mar 08 21:42
bruce89the other one was "First there were maps, now there's GPS"Mar 08 21:42
DaemonFCnot at allMar 08 21:42
DaemonFCI've only worn the vest huntingMar 08 21:43
DaemonFCstray bullets and allMar 08 21:43
DaemonFChunters out there that will shoot anything that movesMar 08 21:43
Omar87schestowitz, I mean, just those trolls keeps attacking us by polluting our blogs (especially BN) with their childish nonsense, I think we should also try to spread our cause to the world, and not just inside BN.Mar 08 21:43
DaemonFCor maybe they just miss the deer and the bullet travels over a mile and hits me insteadMar 08 21:43
DaemonFCianto, I wouldn't want to be out there in camouflage without the vest on, it's at least that much of a concernMar 08 21:44
DaemonFCI haven't gone hunting in years though, I mainly fish nowMar 08 21:45
iantoFair enough to the armour when out hunting but is a S&W really required to walk the dog?Mar 08 21:46
DaemonFCmost likely notMar 08 21:47
DaemonFCneighbor is a bit nutsMar 08 21:47
DaemonFCthat's about itMar 08 21:47
iantoThen why have it on you?Mar 08 21:47
DaemonFCcause I can I guessMar 08 21:48
schestowitzOmar87: the video?Mar 08 21:48
schestowitzhttp://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015262o-2000643222b,00.htmMar 08 21:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 112.01 KBMar 08 21:48
DaemonFCI own the gun, I have a lifetime licenseMar 08 21:48
DaemonFCwho not?Mar 08 21:48
DaemonFC&whyMar 08 21:48
DaemonFCugghMar 08 21:48
Omar87schestowitz, yeah, but I mean in general.Mar 08 21:48
schestowitzOmar87: what's the audienceMar 08 21:49
schestowitzGeneral public it's notMar 08 21:49
schestowitzPeople in ITMar 08 21:49
iantoDaemonFC: If someone you think is unarmed tries to rob you,  you will feel courageous and attempt to back him/her off with your firearm which in turn could get you shot by his buddy a few metres away.  Good enough reason not to reallyMar 08 21:49
schestowitzGeneral public relies on OEMsMar 08 21:49
schestowitzSo you need to influence OEMsMar 08 21:49
schestowitzTo offer choiceMar 08 21:49
schestowitzANd urge regulatorsMar 08 21:49
schestowitzWe have a small circle of millions (engineers)Mar 08 21:49
DaemonFCianto, Who says they won't shoot me anyway just for kicks?Mar 08 21:49
DaemonFCPeople are sickMar 08 21:49
schestowitzIt's no Britney/Beckham thingMar 08 21:50
Omar87schestowitz, Slashdot, Ubuntu dev team, Linux.com, FSM, Freshmeat.. etc.Mar 08 21:50
schestowitzIn tech sites, the readership has higher boundMar 08 21:50
schestowitzDigg.com opened up to all topics to break this barriersMar 08 21:50
schestowitz*barrierMar 08 21:50
schestowitzLinux.com is LFMar 08 21:50
schestowitzFreshmeat is SF/Geeknet/SlashdotMar 08 21:51
Omar87LF?Mar 08 21:51
Omar87schestowitz, I know.Mar 08 21:51
schestowitzAnd Ubuntu devs are fewMar 08 21:51
schestowitzJust a couple of hundredsMar 08 21:51
schestowitzSome read the siteMar 08 21:51
schestowitzMost Linux users don't keep track of newsMar 08 21:51
schestowitzThey just use what comes on the CDMar 08 21:51
schestowitzSo they depends on devsMar 08 21:51
schestowitzThat's the people whom we need to informMar 08 21:52
schestowitzIn Jordan too, try to ensure shops preinstall FedoraMar 08 21:52
schestowitzThey don't need to use illegal copies of WindowsMar 08 21:52
schestowitzCounterfeitingMar 08 21:52
Omar87schestowitz, but it would me pointless to tell non-IT people about Mono.Mar 08 21:52
schestowitzBoth legal and betterMar 08 21:52
schestowitzThey can do dual-boot as wellMar 08 21:52
schestowitzThen Jordanians would use LinuxMar 08 21:52
schestowitzLike with fast-bootingMar 08 21:52
schestowitzPhoenixMar 08 21:52
schestowitzSplashTop.. etc,.Mar 08 21:53
schestowitzFinding out one's computer~=WindowsMar 08 21:53
schestowitzOmar87: of course it would be pointless to tell them thatMar 08 21:53
schestowitzThey can't even tell dependencies when they install something.Mar 08 21:53
schestowitzThat's why we need to address the hardcore people, not just usersMar 08 21:54
Omar87schestowitz, the problem in Jordan is slightly more complicated. It can be solved, though.Mar 08 21:54
Omar87schestowitz, exactly.Mar 08 21:54
schestowitzLinux gains in Asia.. http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/05/north-korea-develops-its-own-linux-distro-called-red-star-os/Mar 08 21:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   North Korea develops its own Linux distro called Red Star OS  .::. Size~: 32.89 KBMar 08 21:56
schestowitzTaiwan and placesMar 08 21:56
schestowitzMotherboard preinstallsMar 08 21:56
schestowitzBut it's proprietary lInuxMar 08 21:56
schestowitzOnboardMar 08 21:56
schestowitzThis korean thing is a gpl violationMar 08 21:56
Omar87Proprietary Linux?Mar 08 21:56
schestowitzhttp://www.tmcnet.com/viewette.aspx?u=http%3a%2f%2fit.tmcnet.com%2ftopics%2fit%2farticles%2f77661-north-korea-makes-its-own-linux-os.htmMar 08 21:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: VoIP and CRM News .::. Size~: 5.16 KBMar 08 21:56
schestowitzOmar87: immutableMar 08 21:56
schestowitzThey don't contribute back, eitherMar 08 21:56
schestowitzHardlyMar 08 21:56
schestowitzOmar87: your site is not for broad usersMar 08 21:57
schestowitzLike your momMar 08 21:57
schestowitzThey don't have interestMar 08 21:57
schestowitzNor the understanding of jargonMar 08 21:57
schestowitzThat's the way it isMar 08 21:57
schestowitzThe total number of people who are 'into' Windows is a few millionsMar 08 21:57
Omar87schestowitz, okay, I think this should invoke a lawsuit from FSF.Mar 08 21:57
schestowitzLinux maybe hundreds of thousandsMar 08 21:57
schestowitzPeople who are actievely involevdMar 08 21:57
schestowitzNot dronesMar 08 21:57
schestowitzSame with politicsMar 08 21:58
schestowitzMost are just dronesMar 08 21:58
schestowitzPasiveMar 08 21:58
schestowitzMisinformedMar 08 21:58
schestowitzCarelessMar 08 21:58
schestowitzI am not too involved in the green movementMar 08 21:58
schestowitzOr astronomyMar 08 21:58
schestowitzSo it makes me a spectatorMar 08 21:58
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I have to say I'm amazed at how the Mesa trunk is doingMar 08 22:00
DaemonFCrapid progressMar 08 22:00
DaemonFCwent from no 3d to decent 3d in only the last 6 months for my cardMar 08 22:00
schestowitz"Tiny Core 2.9 can be download easily for free. " http://www.9computerstore.com/2010/03/04/download-tiny-core-linux-2-9-download-free-of-cost/Mar 08 22:01
schestowitzIt's that same dumb siteMar 08 22:01
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Download Tiny Core Linux 2.9: Download Free of Cost, Tiny Core Linux | 9 Computer Store .::. Size~: 38.48 KBMar 08 22:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: next gen of distros wil have 3d working out of the boxMar 08 22:01
schestowitzFree software tooMar 08 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Roast Laptop" (I put my video card in the oven) http://bit.ly/aCDaamMar 08 22:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Roasted Laptop | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 25.95 KBMar 08 22:02
DaemonFCschestowitz, Apparently AppArmor is still being maintained too, got a bunch of new updates for it todayMar 08 22:02
schestowitzSo Compiz/kwin4 will just work off the live CDsMar 08 22:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: Ubuntu doesMar 08 22:02
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yes, this Fall, 3d should be fully functional on most cardsMar 08 22:02
schestowitzDr Crispin Cowen works for Microsoft nowMar 08 22:02
schestowitzNovell sacked them in 2007Mar 08 22:03
schestowitzAround Oct.Mar 08 22:03
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schestowitzWhen my sister got married :0)Mar 08 22:03
scienteshe a nice guy?Mar 08 22:03
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-SC-4-4-1-released-with-various-bug-fixes-945920.htmlMar 08 22:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE SC 4.4.1 released with various bug fixes - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.67 KBMar 08 22:03
schestowitzscientes: don't knowMar 08 22:03
schestowitzHe blogged a bitMar 08 22:03
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/21/colombia-minister-gplv3-program/Mar 08 22:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Software Patents and Colombia | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.57 KBMar 08 22:04
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/08/borland-international-lesson/Mar 08 22:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Borland Can Teach Critics About Novell | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.3 KBMar 08 22:05
DaemonFChttps://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/509756Mar 08 22:05
DaemonFClmaoMar 08 22:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bug #509756 in One Hundred Paper Cuts: “Default conversation window size is too small” .::. Size~: 62.17 KBMar 08 22:05
DaemonFCnew gstreamer releaseMar 08 22:07
DaemonFChttp://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gstreamer/0.10.27.htmlMar 08 22:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Release notes forGStreamer 0.10.27"You're Shocked, We Know"       .::. Size~: 13.02 KBMar 08 22:07
schestowitzah..Mar 08 22:08
schestowitzAdded.Mar 08 22:09
schestowitzhttp://voip.about.com/b/2010/03/04/using-voip-on-linux.htm "According to statistics, nearly 5% of computer users worldwide use Linux as an operating system on their computers."Mar 08 22:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Using VoIP on Linux .::. Size~: 21.08 KBMar 08 22:10
DaemonFChttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCutMar 08 22:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PaperCut - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 13.8 KBMar 08 22:10
DaemonFCnice planMar 08 22:10
schestowitzbad nameMar 08 22:15
schestowitzpaper cutMar 08 22:15
schestowitzEvoke goreMar 08 22:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, I just got a dead tree in the mail from the CensusMar 08 22:17
DaemonFCtelling me to expect more dead trees in the mail next weekMar 08 22:17
DaemonFCyay!Mar 08 22:17
DaemonFCbet the initial notice papers cost them about $100 million or soMar 08 22:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IIPA suggested Brazil, India, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand be put on USTR watch list for policies favouring open source http://i5.be/aAdMar 08 22:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Intellectual Property Watch  » Blog Archive   » Submissions To US Unilateral IP Enforcement Process Highlight Piracy, Health, and ACTA .::. Size~: 56.17 KBMar 08 22:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.itworldcanada.com/news/windows-phone-7-not-backwards-compatible/140146Mar 08 22:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows Phone 7 not backwards compatible - Page 1 - Mobile Applications - Departmental and End User Computing .::. Size~: 73.75 KBMar 08 22:22
ender2070thats not newsMar 08 22:22
schestowitzI knowMar 08 22:22
schestowitzI have a post tomorrowMar 08 22:22
ender2070it cant be backwards compatible, they wouldnt sell anythingMar 08 22:22
ender2070people would just install 6.x appsMar 08 22:22
ender2070they love the control apple gets from its store tooMar 08 22:23
schestowitzHere's Jabba http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/05/hermit-kingdom-linux-giant-jucMar 08 22:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hermit Kingdom Linux, Giant Juche Rabbits, and the Dear Leader's Hennessey Problem - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 78.17 KBMar 08 22:25
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxradar.com/content/try-linux-desktop-futureMar 08 22:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Try the Linux desktop of the future | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 57.92 KBMar 08 22:32
schestowitzNice shotsMar 08 22:32
schestowitzhttp://diehardgamefan.com/2010/03/07/unbranding-the-sheep-building-a-house-on-the-corpses-of-indie-developers/ "I even considered a MacBook as my next laptop until I realized that I run Linux anyway,"Mar 08 22:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Diehard GameFAN |   Unbranding the Sheep: Building a House On The Corpses of Indie Developers .::. Size~: 46.18 KBMar 08 22:33
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schestowitzzoobab_: http://www.cio-weblog.com/50226711/an_embarrassment_of_patents.phpMar 08 22:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The CIO Weblog: An embarrassment of patents .::. Size~: 182.25 KBMar 08 22:51
ender2070the tuxradar link was the most disorganized article i've read in a whileMar 08 22:54
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ender2070http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/1636259/Game-Devs-Only-Use-PhysX-For-the-Money-Says-AMDMar 08 22:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Games Story | Game Devs Only Use PhysX For the Money, Says AMD .::. Size~: 143.05 KBMar 08 22:57
ender2070LOLAMDMar 08 22:57
schestowitzit's not an articleMar 08 22:58
schestowitzIt's some pictures with some text around themMar 08 22:59
ender2070yeahMar 08 22:59
ender2070good descriptionMar 08 22:59
ender2070lolMar 08 22:59
ender2070lol@dockyMar 08 23:00
ender2070GnomeOSXMar 08 23:00
ender2070or iGnome ?Mar 08 23:00
ender2070lolMar 08 23:00
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ender2070funny how AMD says nvidia is using closed standards when both of them jerk off over directxMar 08 23:02
ender2070AMD even advertises false directx versionsMar 08 23:02
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schestowitzbad news for dockyMar 08 23:03
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Docky-and-GNOME-Do-now-separated-948684.htmlMar 08 23:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Docky and GNOME Do, now separated - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.79 KBMar 08 23:04
schestowitz"Launi says that in future there will be integration between Do and the GPLv3 licensed Docky."Mar 08 23:04
schestowitzMonooooooooooooooo!!!Mar 08 23:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺@zoobab: IIPA suggested Brazil India Indonesia Philippines Thailand be on USTR watchlist for policies favouring opensource http://i5.be/aAdMar 08 23:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Intellectual Property Watch  » Blog Archive   » Submissions To US Unilateral IP Enforcement Process Highlight Piracy, Health, and ACTA .::. Size~: 56.17 KBMar 08 23:05
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ender2070they are both coded in mono?Mar 08 23:07
ender2070yes... :(Mar 08 23:13
ender2070the .cs files almost made me sickMar 08 23:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Press here to start typing your message...Mar 08 23:16
ender2070lol@al goreMar 08 23:16
ender2070http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_19_16/ai_62349851/Mar 08 23:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Gore Family Ties | Insight on the News Newspaper | Find Articles at BNET .::. Size~: 36.57 KBMar 08 23:16
ender2070the gore family has communist tiesMar 08 23:16
schestowitzThis guy is quite angry.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZYB9aSwTLUMar 08 23:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Meet Paul: One cynical and unhappy person. .::. Size~: 147.22 KBMar 08 23:18
schestowitzender2070: many doMar 08 23:19
schestowitzIf you go far backMar 08 23:19
schestowitzCommunism used to be biggerMar 08 23:19
ender2070"many do" ??Mar 08 23:19
ender2070whoMar 08 23:19
schestowitzAl Gore is also related to Gore VidalMar 08 23:19
schestowitzender2070: people with Russian originsMar 08 23:19
ender2070well there was HG Wells tooMar 08 23:19
ender2070and anyone in the fabian societyMar 08 23:19
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ender2070lots of communists, i suspect most don't know about the genocide policyMar 08 23:21
schestowitzHm........ as many as 40% in the US still think Evolution of a myth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QWv_0Mjq0Mar 08 23:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution - Richard Dawkins #1 Bestseller Available Now .::. Size~: 137.06 KBMar 08 23:23
schestowitzender2070: and you're a victim of the oil lobbyMar 08 23:23
schestowitzThinking that we don't do the obvious by burning stuffMar 08 23:23
ender2070im not a victim of the oil lobbyMar 08 23:24
ender2070i want electric cars and nuclear powerMar 08 23:24
ender2070if im a victim of anything, its called critical thinkingMar 08 23:25
ender2070and in the future it will be a dangerous thing that has to be medicated, ala that shitty movie with Christian BaleMar 08 23:25
scientesif you count in the energy required to mine, shpi and process the uranium, and to make the concvrete to construct the plant, nuclear energy aint that greatMar 08 23:26
ender2070when you subtract coal burning, it isMar 08 23:26
ender2070same if you had nuclear powered carsMar 08 23:26
scientesyes, coal burning is horribleMar 08 23:27
scientesand shutting down nuclear plants it horrible toMar 08 23:27
ender2070Diablo-D3 had told me that you can get sufficient nuclear energy out of a small non lethal amount of uraniumMar 08 23:27
scientesbut building new plants isn't as good as it is made out to beMar 08 23:27
ender2070portable reactorsMar 08 23:27
scientesthe US mil tried to put a nuclear reactor on a planeMar 08 23:27
scientesI saw it in Idaho, outsideMar 08 23:28
ender2070also, do something about the god damned rainforest, that would curb c02Mar 08 23:28
scientesit was really coolMar 08 23:28
scientesalso the first breeder reactor in the worldMar 08 23:28
scientesEB-1Mar 08 23:28
ender2070ever heard of the radioactive boyscout ?Mar 08 23:28
ender2070it was a kid and he tried to make his own breeder reactor in a shack in his backyardMar 08 23:29
ender2070he was using the golden book of chemisty experiements which was banned shortly afterMar 08 23:30
ender2070i have a copy of itMar 08 23:30
ender2070its INSANEMar 08 23:30
ender2070its a full technicolour-style book from the 60s, its written in a way that a kid under 10 could understandMar 08 23:31
ender2070it tells you how to make mustard gas, and its for kids!Mar 08 23:31
ender2070LOLMar 08 23:31
ender2070right before it tells you it also teaches you how to make the solution you need to save your life from itMar 08 23:31
ender2070it also has all sorts of chemistry experiments, but i thought that was funny and/or totally deserving of a banMar 08 23:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] An embarrassment of patents: http://i5.be/ayDMar 08 23:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The CIO Weblog: An embarrassment of patents .::. Size~: 182.25 KBMar 08 23:34
schestowitzThis is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7wKzNIyCP8Mar 08 23:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Michael Shermer - Be Skeptical .::. Size~: 151.14 KBMar 08 23:55
schestowitzHahahaha! Watch the end there with Hitchens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_eg5bq_E4Mar 08 23:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Debunking 9/11 "Truth:" Pentagon & Flight 77 .::. Size~: 105.41 KBMar 08 23:55
ender2070what does that have to do with global warmingMar 08 23:59

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