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sebsebseb3D TV http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8558152.stmMar 10 00:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 89.17 KBMar 10 00:02
bruce89crapMar 10 00:02
sebsebsebbruce89: hrm?Mar 10 00:02
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cubeman_...Mar 10 00:11
DaemonFChmmmmMar 10 00:15
DaemonFCsound suppressorsMar 10 00:15
DaemonFCheh, minigunMar 10 00:20
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rsilvers#p/u/23/uoqDDd9ScKkMar 10 00:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- rsilvers's Channel .::. Size~: 60.24 KBMar 10 00:20
cubeman_oh I must still be logged on my old computerMar 10 00:23
cubeman_anyone know why my text is always grey in the new xchat?Mar 10 00:23
schestowitztessier: load average: 10.18, 5.59, 2.90Mar 10 00:23
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rsilvers#p/u/30/6kXXqG-b4ZQMar 10 00:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- rsilvers's Channel .::. Size~: 60.31 KBMar 10 00:23
cubeman_it's kind of annoyingMar 10 00:23
schestowitzI'm not sure why...Mar 10 00:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, Get me oneMar 10 00:23
DaemonFCplease? :DMar 10 00:23
MinceRHe who owns / a minigun / fears notMar 10 00:24
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DaemonFCMinceR, I meant the FN P90Mar 10 00:24
DaemonFCthe minigun is nice, but you need to mount it to somethingMar 10 00:24
MinceRthat's no minigunMar 10 00:24
MinceRhold it in your handsMar 10 00:24
MinceR;)Mar 10 00:24
schestowitzmini-gun for mini-menMar 10 00:25
schestowitzStud drive MinisMar 10 00:25
cubeman_I see BN got mentioned on slashdotMar 10 00:25
schestowitz*dsMar 10 00:25
schestowitzcubeman_: yesMar 10 00:25
schestowitztessier__ noticed firstMar 10 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Milton Public Library and Other Regional Libraries Deploy #GNU #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/09/craigslist-library-linux/Mar 10 00:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Milton Public Library and Other Regional Libraries Deploy GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 83.51 KBMar 10 00:26
cubeman_that could be why your server is busyMar 10 00:26
DaemonFCMinceR, People are so hung up on what caliber bullet it fires.Mar 10 00:26
DaemonFCPast a certain point you're killing your accuracy and might even fuck up and break your wristMar 10 00:27
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 00:27
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MinceRbut you'll kill your target even if he's in a lot of armor ;)Mar 10 00:27
DaemonFCMinceR, Coat the bullets in TeflonMar 10 00:27
DaemonFCproblem solvedMar 10 00:27
MinceRcoat _bigger_ bullets in teflon.Mar 10 00:27
MinceR;)Mar 10 00:28
DaemonFCfiling the tips is also another nasty thing you can do, MinceR Mar 10 00:29
DaemonFCthat's illegal thoughMar 10 00:29
DaemonFCbut easy to doMar 10 00:29
MinceR:)Mar 10 00:30
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DaemonFCthat'll hurt even if you are wearing a vestMar 10 00:30
DaemonFCmaybe even break a boneMar 10 00:30
DaemonFChttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/2318074275_fbf413e1fc.jpgMar 10 00:31
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DaemonFCYou'll notice the .40 S&W round is already kind of like that anywayMar 10 00:31
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cubeman_testMar 10 00:32
cubeman_finallyMar 10 00:32
DaemonFCthe 9mm round's shape is part of why it's harder to kill someone with Mar 10 00:32
cubeman_testMar 10 00:32
cubeman_testMar 10 00:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cleaning out dead sites on wefixtech, discovered the old cyberratty site - back up at http://arkady.org.uk/cyberrattyMar 10 00:34
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cubeman_I'll stick with yellow I guessMar 10 00:35
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cubeman_"It was the mid-90's. Windows had already been 'released' through version 3, but our IT department still considered it to be a joke. Unfortunately, someone in corporate had already drank the Microsoft Koolaide. The order was issued: We're going to become a Windows company"Mar 10 00:38
cubeman_the retail sector really got windowized in the mid 90'sMar 10 00:39
cubeman_it stil is, annoyingly soMar 10 00:40
oiaohmDepends on the shop.Mar 10 00:41
oiaohmI deal with a lot that are still Unix/Linux backed.Mar 10 00:42
cubeman_that's good to hearMar 10 00:42
oiaohmNote they were running Unix before the windows event happened.Mar 10 00:42
oiaohmBasically the older businesses.Mar 10 00:43
DaemonFCBing usage is still flatMar 10 00:43
cubeman_I assume if you talk into a retail store in Australia it's basically 95% windows?Mar 10 00:43
cubeman_talk=walk Mar 10 00:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @slashdot: The World's First Commercially Available Jetpack http://bit.ly/9JqY9AMar 10 00:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | The World's First Commercially Available Jetpack .::. Size~: 46.83 KBMar 10 00:44
*cubeman_ is now known as cubezzz2Mar 10 00:44
cubezzz2I'm converting another box to Fedora 12 at the momentMar 10 00:44
bruce89do you want a glass one?Mar 10 00:45
DaemonFChard to believe Ballmer is pouring that much money into a stagnant product that was DOAMar 10 00:45
cubezzz2I believe itMar 10 00:45
cubezzz2Ballmer will try to _force_ Bing on everyoneMar 10 00:45
cubezzz2"Back during the DOS 2.0 days, Microsoft intended for Xenix to be the successor to DOS. And the worst of Xenix was still preferable to the best of Windows"Mar 10 00:47
cubezzz2windows has a bad designMar 10 00:50
cubezzz2it's just badMar 10 00:50
bruce89it was designed‽Mar 10 00:54
DaemonFChmm, inflation makes Dirty Harry sound cheap. Doctor was going to cut his pants off so he wouldn't have to hurt taking them off. Dirty Harry says "For $29.50, let it hurt"Mar 10 00:55
DaemonFCmakes it sound like KMart pantsMar 10 00:55
DaemonFCbut $29.50 in 1971 is $154.54 nowMar 10 00:56
DaemonFCthose were some expensive pantsMar 10 00:56
cubezzz2almost 40 years ago :)Mar 10 00:56
DaemonFCalso, the killer asked for $100,000 at first, and $200,000 later, which is now $523,865.55 and $1,047,731.10 Mar 10 00:57
cubezzz2no PCs in 1971Mar 10 00:58
cubezzz2I can remember those daysMar 10 00:58
DaemonFCMy rent in 1971 would have been $89.72 a monthMar 10 00:58
DaemonFC:DMar 10 00:58
cubezzz2a bag of hostess chips was 25 cents :)Mar 10 00:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] there's nothing like discovering shock sites you'd never heard of by cleaning dead sites off yer hosting box ...Mar 10 00:59
DaemonFCinflation has also brought my rent downMar 10 00:59
cubezzz2I can remember when gas was 50 cents per gallonMar 10 01:00
DaemonFC$470 a month still, but that's $454.61 in 2006 Mar 10 01:00
DaemonFCinflation has brought my rent down $15.39 a monthMar 10 01:00
cubezzz21970 gas = $0.36 a gallonMar 10 01:00
cubezzz2but here's the kicker: Mar 10 01:01
DaemonFC"What cost $0.36 in 1970 would cost $1.97  in 2009."Mar 10 01:01
DaemonFCUSD right?Mar 10 01:01
cubezzz2yesMar 10 01:01
oiaohmcubezzz2: the formal NT design is goodMar 10 01:01
oiaohmThe MS implementation of the NT design is a complete mess.Mar 10 01:01
cubezzz2the avg hourly rate of pay was $1.65 :)Mar 10 01:01
cubezzz2oiaohm, and I believe a lot of stuff was embedded into the win32 layerMar 10 01:02
oiaohmThat does not follow the formal NT design.  cubezzz2Mar 10 01:02
cubezzz2wow, $1.65 per hour sounds really lowMar 10 01:03
oiaohmntdll in the formal nt design was intented to be the bridge between subsystems.Mar 10 01:03
DaemonFCcubezzz, in 1970?Mar 10 01:03
cubezzz2DaemonFC, yesMar 10 01:03
DaemonFC$1.65 in 1970 is $9.02 in 2009Mar 10 01:04
oiaohmBy the formal design you could run any one of the subsystems alone.  cubezzz2Mar 10 01:04
cubezzz2is it possible to run windows in text mode in any version of windows?Mar 10 01:04
oiaohmNow you come forward to the non formal design following mess of NT today reomve the win32 subsystem everything stops.Mar 10 01:04
cubezzz2then they really botched it upMar 10 01:05
DaemonFCcubezzz, Kind ofMar 10 01:05
DaemonFCServer CoreMar 10 01:05
oiaohmServer core can run with ntdll only features provied but its very limiting.Mar 10 01:05
cubezzz2some old timers are saying Xenix could have stopped the growth of LinuxMar 10 01:05
oiaohmYes text only works from there.Mar 10 01:05
oiaohmThere were far stronger Unix's and BSD that could have put up resistance to Linux.Mar 10 01:06
oiaohmAnd they failed so what chance did Xenix have.Mar 10 01:06
DaemonFCyeah, BSD got suedMar 10 01:06
scientesGPL is superiorMar 10 01:06
scientesit encourages contribution over forkingMar 10 01:06
cubezzz2oiaohm, if Microsoft had put the effort into Xenix that it put into Windows...Mar 10 01:06
DaemonFCscientes, In some waysMar 10 01:06
cubezzz2who knows what would have happenedMar 10 01:07
scientesespecially for such a critical and high-quality pieceMar 10 01:07
scientes*neccicarily high-quality pieceMar 10 01:07
oiaohmWith the same quality of implementors most.  cubezzz2 I don't think it would have got far.Mar 10 01:07
cubezzz2but we have GNU/Linux so it's not too badMar 10 01:07
DaemonFCFreeBSD has ZFS now, where Linux has to have BtrFS built from scratchMar 10 01:07
scientesBtrFS is a much better FSMar 10 01:07
DaemonFCthough with Oracle behind both, you wonder why they don't license ZFS under GPL somehowMar 10 01:07
scientesZFS is bloatedMar 10 01:08
oiaohmLinux has ZFS as fuse DaemonFCMar 10 01:08
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DaemonFCdoesn't countMar 10 01:08
scientesif BSD was unencumbered first I think things would have been woorseMar 10 01:08
scientesGPL workedMar 10 01:08
oiaohmCurrently not much uses ZFS.Mar 10 01:09
scientesBtrFS looks promising as _the_ future linux FSMar 10 01:09
scientesNTFS is actually betterMar 10 01:09
oiaohmReally.Mar 10 01:10
scientesthan the existing ext3Mar 10 01:10
scientes:PMar 10 01:10
scienteswaited to finish my sentenceMar 10 01:10
oiaohmDo you really know the internals of NTFSMar 10 01:10
scientesextentsMar 10 01:10
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scientesstreamsMar 10 01:10
scientessort-ofMar 10 01:10
scientesit seems better than extMar 10 01:10
oiaohmstreams are kinda fake.Mar 10 01:10
DaemonFCscientes, If it wasn't for ego wars, XFS would be the defaultMar 10 01:11
DaemonFCand would have been for a while nowMar 10 01:11
cubezzz2ah the ego warsMar 10 01:11
cubezzz2those never end :)Mar 10 01:11
scientespenis warsMar 10 01:11
oiaohmReally all streams do really is filename|someextra name.Mar 10 01:11
oiaohmIn the file table in NTFSMar 10 01:11
scientesoO0Mar 10 01:11
scientesis back versions a similar hack oiaohm ?Mar 10 01:11
oiaohmYepMar 10 01:12
scientesahhMar 10 01:12
scientesXFS has the B+ treesMar 10 01:12
oiaohmextents in NTFS has the same kinds of limitations as VFS under Linux.Mar 10 01:12
oiaohmIe you can over lay an directory.Mar 10 01:13
scientesCoW is better than journalingMar 10 01:13
oiaohmCompared to ext4 and btrfs extents that are more flexable.Mar 10 01:13
scienteswhat about directory hardlinksMar 10 01:13
oiaohmBasically NTFS really does not have that many extra feature.  Mar 10 01:14
oiaohmExt3 supports directory hardlinksMar 10 01:14
scientescool what Apple did with that in HFSMar 10 01:14
oiaohmSo does ext2 before and minix filesystem before that. scientesMar 10 01:14
scientesshould be turned on to create a wayback-machine cloneMar 10 01:14
scientescause thats coolMar 10 01:14
scientesor brtfs with mountable snapshops creates same effect with better performanceMar 10 01:15
oiaohmCoW and atomic systems have some advantages over journal based but they have there disadvantages asell.Mar 10 01:15
oiaohmDon't forget about logical volume management snapshotting as well scientesMar 10 01:16
oiaohmThere is more than 1 way to skin a roll back system cat.Mar 10 01:16
scientesI want a better gui for LVM and gparted support :PMar 10 01:17
oiaohmNow the way XP trys to skin the cat of a roll back system is the one system that can never work right.  You could bet that MS would find the one that shreds the skin and the cat leaving nothing usable.Mar 10 01:18
oiaohmreally I would just like parted to have lvm support then it come up from there.Mar 10 01:19
scientesyepMar 10 01:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Upgrading a lowly Celeron 1GHz HP omnibook xe4100 to #ubuntu #lucid.. ..because I can.Mar 10 01:20
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bruce89popey means Celery 1GhzMar 10 01:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG Gives a Platform for #Microsoft 's Familiar Attack Dogs (and Former Employees) to Attack #GNU Linux http://ur1.ca/ozahMar 10 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IDG Gives a Platform for Microsofts Familiar Attack Dogs (and Former Employees) to Smear GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.91 KBMar 10 01:24
oiaohmhttp://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/3220/  Now this is a nice multi touch table.Mar 10 01:28
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DaemonFChttp://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/08/2010-03-08_shot_protecting_religious_icon.htmlMar 10 01:30
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DaemonFCidiotMar 10 01:30
scienteslol celeryMar 10 01:30
sebsebsebbruce89:  schestowitz ianto  http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=2843Mar 10 01:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono lock-in potentially increased due to #Novell ’s #Banshee in #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ozchMar 10 01:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu One Adds Mono Bindings | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 83.73 KBMar 10 01:40
Ender2070http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/08/synnex-dials-digium-asterisk-switchvox-for-vars/Mar 10 01:40
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Ender2070I told ya he's disguising adverts as articlesMar 10 01:41
*ianto likes Mono & .NET tbhMar 10 01:42
sebsebsebianto:  bruce89 http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/08/roast-laptop/Mar 10 01:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Roasted Laptop | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 66.21 KBMar 10 01:44
Ender2070Mono & .NET are very badMar 10 01:49
iantoEnder2070: Yes,  surprisingly Mono can't implement System.Windows.Forms.WebBrowser as required by my projectMar 10 01:53
Ender2070sounds like IEMar 10 01:54
iantoIt is an IE box, Google Maps thingMar 10 01:54
Ender2070yeah sounds terribleMar 10 01:55
Ender2070you're giving microsoft another legacy app that will cause them never to unintegrate IEMar 10 01:55
Ender2070alternatively you can use webkitMar 10 01:59
Ender2070you're app would become more portable as a resultMar 10 01:59
oiaohmYou should see the mutent gecko engine wine uses for ie active x controll support.Mar 10 02:21
oiaohmAnd it don't even work 100 percent.Mar 10 02:21
amarsh04ABC radio is talking about the EU wanting to ban credit default swaps on sovereign debtMar 10 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Response to #RedHat #FUD from #Canonical ’s COO Matt Asay http://ur1.ca/ozh3 #ubuntu #apple #googleMar 10 02:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Response to Red Hat FUD from Canonicals COO Matt Asay | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.39 KBMar 10 02:24
amarsh04what's there names who are bidding for novell were into that kind of practice, weren't they?Mar 10 02:24
oiaohmThere is only 1 bid for NovellMar 10 02:24
amarsh04I would trust Bill Murray to be a better FUD-buster than Matt AsayMar 10 02:24
oiaohmAnd its a company you would not want to see a bid from.   They specialising in buying and than slicesing and dicing companies to make proft.Mar 10 02:25
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oiaohmBad thing for Novell is no other bids have turned up amarsh04Mar 10 02:29
Ender2070lolMar 10 02:36
Ender2070i like the articleMar 10 02:36
Ender2070Our reader Brandon says that it sounds like Asay is “a conspiracy theorist now” (because of the speculative, provocative headlines).  :)Mar 10 02:37
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUnix  Somethings you come accross due to typos at times.Mar 10 02:38
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oiaohmReally if you are watching code submissions Redhat might not be the biggest mover and shaker in the Linux kernel by the end of 2010 Nokia might be.Mar 10 02:39
schestowitzgnMar 10 02:42
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cubezzz2Lunix for c64 :)Mar 10 02:46
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cubezzzback on the oldie computerMar 10 02:51
cubezzzthat other tower is really noiseyMar 10 02:53
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scientesoiaohm lolMar 10 02:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My System 76 Lemur review - http://is.gd/a5PqU #ubuntu #system76 #reviewMar 10 02:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC licence fee to increase by 2% | Media | guardian.co.uk - Shockaroonie - the gravy train continues http://tinyurl.com/yjl4u9fMar 10 03:01
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yuhonghttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/09/2159245/Jeff-Jaffe-Named-CEO-of-W3CMar 10 03:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot News Story | Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 143.6 KBMar 10 03:01
yuhongMentions BN right there!Mar 10 03:01
Ender2070BAMMar 10 03:02
Ender2070thats because its mineMar 10 03:02
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Ender2070whoa whoa whoaMar 10 03:02
Ender2070they completely butchered what I wrote and removed links to my blogMar 10 03:03
Ender2070wtfMar 10 03:03
cubezzzwho did?Mar 10 03:03
Ender2070whichever slashdot editor approved itMar 10 03:03
cubezzzyou're the submitter?Mar 10 03:03
Ender2070yesMar 10 03:03
Ender2070blozza2070 notes the newsMar 10 03:03
yuhong kdawson is the editor.Mar 10 03:04
yuhongBut it still got the point out.Mar 10 03:04
Ender2070it got the point out by removing the source of the materialMar 10 03:05
cubezzzI submitted code to the MAME project and was never credited :)Mar 10 03:05
cubezzzit happensMar 10 03:05
Ender2070lxer didnt re-write my submissionMar 10 03:05
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1188074/Why-Modern-Business-Is-Bad-for-Your-Mental-HealthMar 10 03:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health .::. Size~: 46.33 KBMar 10 03:05
yuhongModded as spam!Mar 10 03:05
Ender2070witten by you thoughMar 10 03:08
Ender2070written*Mar 10 03:08
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yuhongYes.Mar 10 03:10
yuhongThis is my submission.Mar 10 03:10
yuhongAnyone know or can guess why it was modded as spam?Mar 10 03:10
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cubezzzlooking...Mar 10 03:11
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cubezzzno idea reallyMar 10 03:12
yuhongSubmit it again? Or do you know of anyway to get it removed?Mar 10 03:12
yuhongSubmit it again? Or do you know of any way to get it removed?Mar 10 03:13
Ender2070forget itMar 10 03:13
cubezzzif the editors don't like it... then they don't use itMar 10 03:14
Ender2070if you re-submit its likely they'll spam all your stuffMar 10 03:14
cubezzzmaybe it's not techie enoughMar 10 03:14
Ender2070well at least I got boycott novell some slashdot trafficMar 10 03:15
Ender2070i just wish they could've linked me in there somewhereMar 10 03:15
cubezzzthey used the 2070 part :)Mar 10 03:16
yuhongIt did attract a comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1574500&cid=31397066Mar 10 03:16
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cubezzzI wrote an article about CBC and Linux but it wasn't used Mar 10 03:17
Ender2070heres the one i postedMar 10 03:17
Ender2070http://news.slashdot.org/submission/1188642/There-go-our-web-standardsMar 10 03:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot News Submission | There go our web standards..... .::. Size~: 47.34 KBMar 10 03:17
yuhongYes, I see it.Mar 10 03:17
yuhongBTW, I tried to submit this four times:Mar 10 03:17
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theoryMar 10 03:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.09 KBMar 10 03:17
Ender2070thats likely why you got a spam labelMar 10 03:18
yuhongI was going to give up after three, but then this came up:Mar 10 03:18
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cubezzzas long as the W3C helps make browsing work the same across all platforms then that's a good thingMar 10 03:18
Ender2070what if the w3c said silverlight is required for HTML6Mar 10 03:19
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theoryMar 10 03:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.19 KBMar 10 03:19
yuhongWrong.Mar 10 03:19
cubezzzthat would be a bad thing :)Mar 10 03:19
Ender2070exactlyMar 10 03:19
yuhonghttp://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/08/1732204/A-Reflection-On-Sun-Executive-Payouts-For-Failure?art_pos=12Mar 10 03:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | A Reflection On Sun Executive Payouts For Failure .::. Size~: 175.46 KBMar 10 03:19
amarsh04new package in debian dependent on mono: mistelixMar 10 03:19
yuhongAnd looking the discussion, you will see why I resubmitted it a fourth time.Mar 10 03:20
cubezzzit's simple really, it should help everyone, Mac, Amiga, BeOS, Unixes, etcMar 10 03:20
cubezzzI would prefer my web page to work on all operating systemsMar 10 03:20
cubezzzthat's why I don't use flashMar 10 03:21
yuhongI know.Mar 10 03:21
cubezzzor mms or rtsp.. etc etcMar 10 03:22
yuhongBTW, what do you think about the two slashdot submissions I mentioned.Mar 10 03:23
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theoryMar 10 03:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.17 KBMar 10 03:23
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1188074/Why-Modern-Business-Is-Bad-for-Your-Mental-HealthMar 10 03:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health .::. Size~: 47 KBMar 10 03:23
Ender2070neither don't sound very techieMar 10 03:24
Ender2070erMar 10 03:24
Ender2070neither sound very techieMar 10 03:24
cubezzzsee, slashdot is mainly about technology yeahMar 10 03:24
cubezzzbasically I agree, people at the top of the corporate ladder are not ethicalMar 10 03:24
yuhongYes, but the reason I submitted one of them a fourth time is this:Mar 10 03:24
yuhonghttp://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/08/1732204/A-Reflection-On-Sun-Executive-Payouts-For-Failure?art_pos=12Mar 10 03:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | A Reflection On Sun Executive Payouts For Failure .::. Size~: 175.69 KBMar 10 03:24
Ender2070yeah but sun is a tech companyMar 10 03:25
yuhongWhich did get published, and after seeing the discussions, I thought it was a good idea.Mar 10 03:25
yuhongAnyway, my point was why?Mar 10 03:25
yuhongAnyway, my point was why.Mar 10 03:25
Ender2070both two you linked are genericMar 10 03:25
cubezzzspam in this case probably meant "inappropriate" or something like thatMar 10 03:26
yuhongAnyway, my point was why people at the top of the corporate ladder are not ethical.Mar 10 03:26
cubezzzoh that :)Mar 10 03:26
cubezzzwell it's a dog eat dog worldMar 10 03:26
yuhongAnyway, both articles' points was why people at the top of the corporate ladder are not ethical.Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070its generic business reading thoughMar 10 03:27
yuhongI know.Mar 10 03:27
yuhongYes.Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070the sun article had a tech company, so they published itMar 10 03:27
cubezzzthings aren't like GNU or people helping each other a lot of the timeMar 10 03:27
Ender2070if it was general motors instead of sun, it wouldnt be thereMar 10 03:27
yuhongShareholder value and agency theory needs to be obsoleted.Mar 10 03:27
cubezzzunfortunately the selfish ones can rise to the topMar 10 03:27
yuhongI know.Mar 10 03:27
yuhongShareholder value and agency theory needs to be obsoleted.Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070heres the thingMar 10 03:27
Ender2070Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental HealthMar 10 03:27
Ender2070i'd reword itMar 10 03:27
cubezzz"Why Modern Business is Bad" :)Mar 10 03:28
cubezzzperiodMar 10 03:28
Ender2070noMar 10 03:28
Ender2070I'd link Mental Health to causing itMar 10 03:28
Ender2070psychopaths rise to the topMar 10 03:28
cubezzzsociopaths I'd sayMar 10 03:28
yuhongThanks to shareholder value and agency theoryMar 10 03:28
Ender2070they have no remorse for the people they screw overMar 10 03:28
cubezzzpsychopaths can't function very well :)Mar 10 03:29
Ender2070they canMar 10 03:29
Ender2070its a genetic thing their parents can teach them how to behave properlyMar 10 03:29
yuhongMore precisely, Homo economicus.Mar 10 03:29
cubezzzlike that guy on the bus that cut the other guy's head off = psychopathMar 10 03:29
Ender2070uhh i wouldnt say thatMar 10 03:29
cubezzzEnder2070, like the mind of a politicianMar 10 03:30
cubezzzthat's what I meanMar 10 03:30
Ender2070yes but thats because psychopaths crave powerMar 10 03:30
cubezzzno strong wrong or rightMar 10 03:30
yuhongAnd yes, that other slashdot submission mention it:Mar 10 03:30
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theoryMar 10 03:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.2 KBMar 10 03:30
Ender2070money is power, and so is politicsMar 10 03:30
cubezzzthen it's a flaw in humanityMar 10 03:30
Ender2070why do politicians accept money so easilyMar 10 03:30
Ender2070lolMar 10 03:30
yuhongI know.Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070they're all psychopathsMar 10 03:31
yuhongI know.Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070psychopaths with a high IQMar 10 03:31
cubezzzexample, Gates is already rich but.. he craves more controlMar 10 03:31
yuhongI know, homo economicus.Mar 10 03:31
yuhongOr economic man.Mar 10 03:31
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theoryMar 10 03:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 45.4 KBMar 10 03:31
cubezzzwhy can't he be satisified with what he has?Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070well if money didnt exist they'd still be thereMar 10 03:31
Ender2070hell it hink they invented itMar 10 03:31
cubezzzit's not just money thoughMar 10 03:31
cubezzzit's controlMar 10 03:31
Ender2070money was invented for that reasonMar 10 03:32
Ender2070when barter was used, there was no middle manMar 10 03:32
cubezzzmoney is so we don't need to barter :)Mar 10 03:32
cubezzzhow much wheat does a computer cost?Mar 10 03:32
Ender2070yeah but the person who sets the value of the money controls both partiesMar 10 03:32
Ender2070:)Mar 10 03:33
cubezzzmoney used to be spice-basedMar 10 03:33
yuhongI know.Mar 10 03:33
yuhongAnd, yea, that is another mess.Mar 10 03:33
Ender2070then you have taxesMar 10 03:33
*desu has quit (*.net *.split)Mar 10 03:34
yuhongAnyway, read the actual HBR article:Mar 10 03:34
yuhonghttp://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/02/why_modern_business_is_bad_for.htmlMar 10 03:34
Ender2070another third party says you owe them a small portion of that transactionMar 10 03:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review .::. Size~: 72.46 KBMar 10 03:34
cubezzztaxes can be goodMar 10 03:34
Ender2070taxes = slaveryMar 10 03:34
yuhongAnother topic though.Mar 10 03:34
cubezzzgood roads, good health care, good schools :)Mar 10 03:34
Ender2070richer politiciansMar 10 03:34
Ender2070richer businessesMar 10 03:35
yuhongAnyway, read the actual HBR article:Mar 10 03:35
yuhonghttp://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/02/why_modern_business_is_bad_for.htmlMar 10 03:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review .::. Size~: 72.46 KBMar 10 03:35
cubezzzI'm sure it is badMar 10 03:35
Ender2070when the government uses your tax money on services, it doesn't look for the cheapest contractorMar 10 03:35
yuhongBut the point of article is why.Mar 10 03:35
Ender2070if it did we would see linux in schoolsMar 10 03:35
Ender2070every schoolMar 10 03:35
cubezzzWaterloo used LinuxMar 10 03:35
Ender2070i meant every schoolMar 10 03:35
cubezzznot exclusively of course, but stillMar 10 03:36
Ender2070cause if it was a rule to go with the cheapest provider, then logically that would occurMar 10 03:36
yuhongWe need to move away from shareholder value.Mar 10 03:36
cubezzzyeah, there's no good reason why notMar 10 03:36
cubezzzit's all mind controlMar 10 03:36
Ender2070yesMar 10 03:36
Ender2070brainwashing: the science of thought controlMar 10 03:36
Ender2070good bookMar 10 03:36
cubezzzbasically the politicians are clueless about FOSSMar 10 03:37
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cubezzzREALLY cluelessMar 10 03:37
Ender2070if FOSS was writing them cheques they'd knowMar 10 03:37
yuhongAnyway, after I got frustrated, I submitted this to reddit:Mar 10 03:37
cubezzzyou have lawyers deciding everything basicallyMar 10 03:37
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yuhonghttp://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/b3174/the_problems_of_shareholder_value_and_agency/Mar 10 03:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The problems of shareholder value and agency theory : Economics .::. Size~: 45.04 KBMar 10 03:37
yuhonghttp://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/02/why_modern_business_is_bad_for.htmlMar 10 03:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review .::. Size~: 72.46 KBMar 10 03:37
cubezzzI bought RHT stock, no regretsMar 10 03:38
Ender2070redhat stock?Mar 10 03:38
cubezzzyesMar 10 03:38
yuhonghttp://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/baq3o/why_modern_business_is_bad_for_your_mental_health/Mar 10 03:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health : business .::. Size~: 33.43 KBMar 10 03:38
Ender2070i wish i didMar 10 03:38
cubezzzbought in at 10.83 :)Mar 10 03:38
DaemonFCWhat was Matt Asay FUDding them with?Mar 10 03:38
Ender2070MacAsay was saying redhat was going to die because novell mightMar 10 03:39
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cubezzznah :)Mar 10 03:39
cubezzzRedhat is the strongest Linux stock there isMar 10 03:39
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DaemonFCand didn't stop and think that Novell has been squandering their Linux business to try and save a bunch of legacy crap?Mar 10 03:40
cubezzzEnder2070, did you know that Paul Allen still runs TOPS-10?Mar 10 03:40
DaemonFCif they'd jettison most of the rest and concentrate on Suse, they could pull throughMar 10 03:40
cubezzzyou have to go with your gut instincts sometimesMar 10 03:41
cubezzzmy gut was telling me "buy Red Hat" :)Mar 10 03:41
Ender2070yeahMar 10 03:41
Ender2070it killed the first day the stock opened upMar 10 03:41
cubezzzI figured if they do 10% of what MIcrosoft does I'll be well offMar 10 03:42
DaemonFCI think they're going to remove Rhythmbox in Ubuntu 10.10Mar 10 03:42
Ender2070of courseMar 10 03:42
DaemonFCand laying the groundwork to integrate Banshee nowMar 10 03:42
Ender2070bansheeeeeeeMar 10 03:42
Ender2070probably that paint app tooMar 10 03:42
cubezzzDaemonFC, why don't you try Fedora 12?Mar 10 03:42
cubezzzit's pretty goodMar 10 03:42
Ender2070he doesMar 10 03:42
DaemonFCthat's what the preliminary Mono support in libubuntuone is forMar 10 03:42
Ender2070ohhhhh reallyMar 10 03:42
DaemonFCyepMar 10 03:43
cubezzzI don't use Ubuntu :)Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFCper JonoMar 10 03:43
Ender2070i wonder if ubuntu one is gonna sell music for bansheeMar 10 03:43
DaemonFCEnder2070, That's the planMar 10 03:43
Ender2070oh godMar 10 03:43
DaemonFCthe integration framework is in as of todayMar 10 03:43
DaemonFCthey could just slap it right in if it wasn't past FreezeMar 10 03:43
DaemonFCthey'll move in on this for 10.10Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFCmark my wordsMar 10 03:43
Ender2070i think i'm finally motivated enough to migrate my server off ubuntuMar 10 03:44
DaemonFCRhythmbox's days in Ubuntu are numberedMar 10 03:44
cubezzzI never liked it reallyMar 10 03:44
DaemonFCcubezzz, Ubuntu?Mar 10 03:44
Ender2070anything but bansheeMar 10 03:44
cubezzzyes :)Mar 10 03:44
Ender2070ohhMar 10 03:44
cubezzzanyway, I'm Mr. Command Line :)Mar 10 03:45
DaemonFCthey were alright until they stopped being like Debian and started being more like Suse/Mac/whateverMar 10 03:45
Ender2070MacAsay must really be inspired with Apple's Itunes music storeMar 10 03:45
cubezzzI even use command line to adjust my volume :)Mar 10 03:45
DaemonFC7.04 was really their last good releaseMar 10 03:45
DaemonFCinitially they were more or less just Debian with newer packagesMar 10 03:45
DaemonFCwhich made them badassMar 10 03:45
Ender2070yeahMar 10 03:46
DaemonFCbut now they're just throwing everything at the wall to see what sticksMar 10 03:46
Ender2070it was a debian-unstable freeze if IIRCMar 10 03:46
DaemonFCyeah, still is mostlyMar 10 03:46
cubezzzFedora does the job for meMar 10 03:46
DaemonFCbut it's what's on top that's changingMar 10 03:46
Ender2070I <3 FedoraMar 10 03:46
DaemonFCdoes anyone have a GNOME Fedora 12 off the DVD?Mar 10 03:47
DaemonFCcan anyone confirm Mono is still in there?Mar 10 03:47
Ender2070its there if you tell it to install ALL the packages on the dvdMar 10 03:47
cubezzzI'm on Fc1 at the moment :)Mar 10 03:47
DaemonFCEnder2070, As of F11 just selecting GNOME DEsktop gave you MonoMar 10 03:47
Ender2070on the dvd maybeMar 10 03:48
cubezzzoff the live CD, I don't think it doesMar 10 03:48
Ender2070not on the livecd at allMar 10 03:48
DaemonFCno, LiveCD is cleanMar 10 03:48
DaemonFCis the push for Mono in GNOME strong within GNOME?Mar 10 03:48
DaemonFCor is those mostly distros bolting it on?Mar 10 03:48
Ender2070yesMar 10 03:48
cubezzzEnder2070, I got a question about F12Mar 10 03:49
Ender2070gnome includes mono dependancies by defaultMar 10 03:49
DaemonFC*thisMar 10 03:49
cubezzzis there a gui for installing new programs?Mar 10 03:49
cubezzzthere doesn't seem to be oneMar 10 03:49
cubezzzunder KDEMar 10 03:49
DaemonFCI like GNOMEMar 10 03:49
cubezzzI have to switch to GNOME or just command line to install stuffMar 10 03:49
cubezzzplus GNOME doesn't seem to have anything like klipperMar 10 03:50
Ender2070kpackagekitMar 10 03:51
cubezzzahMar 10 03:51
Ender2070it works at disabling and enabling repo's tooMar 10 03:52
cubezzzthere was kpackage in the olden days :)Mar 10 03:53
cubezzzI just never used itMar 10 03:53
Ender2070sameMar 10 03:54
Ender2070i didnt like fedora till more recently tooMar 10 03:54
cubezzzbah, you newbies :)Mar 10 03:55
cubezzzFC1 is the best EVAR :)Mar 10 03:55
cubezzzwhat about Redhat 8.0?Mar 10 03:55
Ender2070I used Redhat 5.2, 6.x, 7.1Mar 10 03:56
cubezzzah well thenMar 10 03:56
cubezzznow does kpackage still work in FC1 I wonderMar 10 03:58
Ender2070i doubt itMar 10 04:03
Ender2070repos are LONG goneMar 10 04:03
cubezzzI'm too scared to try it :)Mar 10 04:03
cubezzzyeah usually I just compile stuffMar 10 04:03
sebsebsebI am being told else where that Apple got bought out by MicrosoftMar 10 04:03
sebsebsebhrmMar 10 04:03
sebsebsebsomething about how apparnatly in USA can't have more than 80% of the marketMar 10 04:04
cubezzzthey can't do thatMar 10 04:04
Ender2070ummMar 10 04:04
Ender2070they _do_ own apple stocksMar 10 04:04
cubezzzMicrosoft invested money in Apple a while ago, then the divested laterMar 10 04:04
cubezzzthe=theyMar 10 04:05
DaemonFChttp://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/08/dating.game.killer/?hpt=T2Mar 10 04:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Convicted serial killer won on 'Dating Game' - CNN.com .::. Size~: 53.36 KBMar 10 04:05
sebsebsebyeah something about 1998 and  something about buying GNU StepMar 10 04:05
cubezzzMicrosoft sold their Apple stocks at a profit btwMar 10 04:07
sebsebsebI am going to copy in what that guy put, since I didn't explain it properlyMar 10 04:07
cubezzzumm, I think you mean NextStepMar 10 04:08
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sebsebsebsebsebseb, in the USA you can not have more then 80% of the market or they cut your company into bits (example at&t 1970's) Mar 10 04:08
sebsebsebapple was dieing linuxx was only 2% of the marketMar 10 04:08
Omar87Howdy all! :DMar 10 04:08
cubezzzyou can't really buy GNU Step :)Mar 10 04:08
sebsebsebM$ buys out apple but keeps it under a different nameMar 10 04:09
DaemonFCGNUStep is a NextStep workalike, right?Mar 10 04:09
DaemonFCthink I used it onceMar 10 04:09
cubezzzDaemonFC, yesMar 10 04:09
sebsebsebthen 2000ish apple buys out GnuSTeP from steven jobsMar 10 04:09
cubezzza FOSS versionMar 10 04:09
sebsebsebGnuSTeP w/ BSD code = mac os xMar 10 04:09
sebsebsebbasicly it was to save M$'s ass sebsebseb Mar 10 04:10
cubezzzNextStep was closed source anywaysMar 10 04:10
sebsebsebexcuss my languageMar 10 04:10
Omar87The silliest news of the week, imho, are the Ubuntu logo and themes that were made using Apple Macs.Mar 10 04:10
cubezzzat Waterloo guys were playing Arkanoid on the Next computer :)Mar 10 04:11
cubezzzback in the late 80'sMar 10 04:11
sebsebsebOmar87: oh they were made with OS XMar 10 04:11
sebsebseb:(Mar 10 04:11
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WireWulfo/Mar 10 04:11
sebsebsebOmar87: that's a bit like people making stuff for open source projects, using PhotoshopMar 10 04:11
sebsebsebanyway here's the guy I was on aboutMar 10 04:11
cubezzzFedora just seems better to me than all the othersMar 10 04:11
Omar87sebsebseb, what's their explanation? "Ubuntu is not ready for graphic design yet."Mar 10 04:12
cubezzzbah that's silly to sayMar 10 04:12
sebsebsebOmar87: I don't know, but I haven't read they were made using Mac OS XMar 10 04:12
cubezzzwe have GIMP, we have inkscapeMar 10 04:12
cubezzzI've done professional jobs using bothMar 10 04:12
Omar87sebsebseb, which is like saying "The camel is limping because it's having a headache."Mar 10 04:13
WireWulfboth are still weak compared to photoshopMar 10 04:13
WireWulfUnixxx will have a powerful photo editor one day soonMar 10 04:14
Omar87cubezzz: Moreover, if huge and complicated projects like the Avatar movie were accomplished using Ubuntu, why can't some simple theme and logo designs be done using it as well?Mar 10 04:14
sebsebsebOmar87: Made with Photoshop on OS X?Mar 10 04:14
cubezzzhehMar 10 04:14
Omar87sebsebseb, I guess, yes.Mar 10 04:14
DaemonFCOmar87, They used RHELMar 10 04:14
DaemonFCfrom what I readMar 10 04:15
cubezzzlet me put it this way...Mar 10 04:15
cubezzzI can't think of anything I need photoshop forMar 10 04:15
cubezzzbut feel free sending your money to Abode :)Mar 10 04:15
DaemonFCthe Fedora 13 images are oversizedMar 10 04:15
DaemonFCmay as well get the DVD ISOMar 10 04:15
Omar87DaemonFC, http://www.jordanopensource.org/freeplanet/article/new-ubuntu-design-created-apple-macMar 10 04:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: New Ubuntu Design Created on Apple Mac | Jordan Open Source Association .::. Size~: 26.84 KBMar 10 04:16
WireWulfhavent messed with fedora in awail they really getting that bad?Mar 10 04:16
cubezzzI think Spiderman 2 used Linux tooMar 10 04:16
DaemonFCOmar87, Thought you were talking about AvatarMar 10 04:16
cubezzzIf you want small go for Tiny Core :)Mar 10 04:17
sebsebsebOmar87: maybe it wasn't clear enough or it was kind of, but you messaged wrong person, I wanted a linkMar 10 04:17
sebsebsebOmar87: for the Ubuntu thingMar 10 04:17
scientescorebootMar 10 04:17
scientesor just debian standard installs Mar 10 04:18
WireWulfif you want small use a mini floppy os written in assmbler code from the 80's earily 90'sMar 10 04:18
scientesesp with emdebianMar 10 04:18
scientesemdebian is actually quite sweetMar 10 04:18
scientesgripMar 10 04:18
cubezzzno thanks, I like C language Mar 10 04:19
scientesidentical to debian, but no docs, man pages, or translationsMar 10 04:19
cubezzzand x86 isn't fun to program inMar 10 04:19
scientesmakes it like 1/2 the sizeMar 10 04:19
WireWulfcubezzz, nope nor is x64 but it is still thereMar 10 04:19
cubezzzI'd crunch integers on a 6502 1 gigahertz if it existedMar 10 04:20
Omar87sebsebseb, yeah, sorry.Mar 10 04:20
scientesWireWulf, x86_64Mar 10 04:20
sebsebsebOmar87: they should use native Linux toolsMar 10 04:20
sebsebsebOmar87: to make branding imagesMar 10 04:21
WireWulfanyway is there a boycott java yet Mar 10 04:21
scientesor according to AMD, amd64Mar 10 04:21
DaemonFChttp://geeksmack.net/mobile/1133-ubuntu-shows-up-on-smartphonesMar 10 04:21
scientesbut x64 is a misnomer created by MicrosoftMar 10 04:21
sebsebsebWireWulf: uh what's up with Java? it's open source now, or most of it isMar 10 04:21
cubezzzjava is OKMar 10 04:21
cubezzzI have nothing against itMar 10 04:21
WireWulfsebsebseb, it is just too much for my rigs to take at timesMar 10 04:21
Omar87DaemonFC, http://jordanhall.co.uk/general-articles/avatar-film-rendered-with-enormous-ubuntu-server-farm-4701468/Mar 10 04:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Avatar film rendered with enormous Ubuntu server farm | Jordan Hall .::. Size~: 29.29 KBMar 10 04:21
scientesWireWulf, are you going to gripe about Linux next?Mar 10 04:21
WireWulfscientes, nopeMar 10 04:22
WireWulfwell yes and noMar 10 04:22
Omar87sebsebseb: Well, yes. They should have. But unfortunately they didn't.Mar 10 04:22
cubezzzLinux on ARM ftwMar 10 04:22
cubezzzforget this wintel crapMar 10 04:23
sebsebsebOmar87: not read the article yet, but soon, anyway that Matt guy likes OS XMar 10 04:23
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sebsebsebOmar87: and  10.04 is more OS X like by default yepMar 10 04:23
Ender2070[23:12] <WireWulf> anyway is there a boycott java yetMar 10 04:23
Ender2070no but im thinking of a boycott-trollsMar 10 04:23
sebsebsebOmar87: well would be even more so if they go with the grey by defaultMar 10 04:23
cubezzzboycott intel :)Mar 10 04:23
sebsebsebEnder2070: I don't think he is here to trollMar 10 04:23
scientesMicrosoft tried to bloat Java http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf 16Mar 10 04:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 10 04:23
Omar87Ender2070, nice one.Mar 10 04:24
sebsebsebEnder2070: plus I invited him, and talked to him a while else where on another networkMar 10 04:24
cubezzzand boycott quarter pounders with cheese because they make you fat :)Mar 10 04:24
sebsebsebEnder2070: he uses Gentoo and is doing Solaris at the moment,  he seems to know tech stuffMar 10 04:24
sebsebsebWireWulf: well your not actsually using Solaris at the moment?Mar 10 04:24
WireWulfumm useing win atmMar 10 04:24
Ender2070[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from WireWulf: xchat 2.8.7f Windows 6.1 [i686/1.80GHz].Mar 10 04:25
WireWulfnot really got a say in thatMar 10 04:25
Ender2070paying for xchat?Mar 10 04:25
cubezzzWireWulf, why not?Mar 10 04:25
WireWulfEnder2070, nope Mar 10 04:25
WireWulfcubezzz, hardxware isnt linux friendly on this laptopMar 10 04:25
WireWulf*hardwareMar 10 04:26
cubezzzah, which one?Mar 10 04:26
Ender2070how did you get the 2.8.7f source?Mar 10 04:26
WireWulfEnder2070, i didnt do that eitherMar 10 04:26
Ender207030 day trial?Mar 10 04:26
WireWulfcrackedMar 10 04:26
DaemonFCEnder2070, He cracked it or paid for it, it won't build from source and say XchatMar 10 04:26
Ender2070LOLMar 10 04:26
DaemonFCunless he edited the makefileMar 10 04:26
cubezzzWireWulf, I can highly recommended a Panasonic ToughbookMar 10 04:26
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 04:26
*scientes laughs out loutMar 10 04:26
sebsebsebWireWulf: and this is a publically logged channelMar 10 04:26
*cubezzz laughsMar 10 04:27
WireWulfsebsebseb, so what i am a publicly logged user :PMar 10 04:27
scientesnot that its illegalMar 10 04:27
scientesbecause xchat is open sourceMar 10 04:27
scientesso cracking it is 100% legalMar 10 04:27
cubezzzand sometimes sebsebseb uses torrents!Mar 10 04:27
cubezzz;-)Mar 10 04:27
DaemonFCEnder2070, If it says XChat, then it's paid for, cracked, or he edited the makefile by hand before he built from source. The free ones that you can build from source all say YChat.Mar 10 04:27
Ender2070its a tough oneMar 10 04:27
sebsebsebcubezzz: not all torrents are illegalMar 10 04:28
cubezzzof course Mar 10 04:28
WireWulfnopeMar 10 04:28
Ender2070just because its open source doesn't mean you can crack itMar 10 04:28
WireWulfnot all copyrights are right eitherMar 10 04:28
scientesif its licenced under the GPLMar 10 04:28
Ender2070you can demand the source codeMar 10 04:28
DaemonFCEnder2070, also, the source you can get hasn't been updated and will report Windows VistaMar 10 04:28
DaemonFCeven on Windows 7Mar 10 04:28
scientesthen the DMCA anti-circumvention clause does not applyMar 10 04:28
cubezzzthe best operating system was TOPS-10Mar 10 04:29
scientesvista 7Mar 10 04:29
cubezzzPaul Allen agrees with me :)Mar 10 04:29
scientesbest vista yet!Mar 10 04:29
WireWulfwin7 = windows 6.1 i offton wonder who did the mathMar 10 04:29
DaemonFCscientes, XChat will report Windows NT x.x, YChat will say Windows XP, Windows VistaMar 10 04:29
DaemonFCetc.Mar 10 04:29
Ender2070for all you know all the authors of xchat may have agreed to relicense the windows binaryMar 10 04:30
scientesI dont really care DaemonFC Mar 10 04:30
cubezzzit's really closed source stuff I avoidMar 10 04:30
cubezzzit could be closed source anythingMar 10 04:30
scientesEnder2070, they didn't, read the wikipedia pageMar 10 04:30
Ender2070[23:21] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from DaemonFC: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu.Mar 10 04:30
Ender2070shouldn't it say ychat 2.8.6 Ubuntu ?Mar 10 04:31
WireWulfoh boy i stepped into thisMar 10 04:31
DaemonFCEnder2070, NoMar 10 04:31
cubezzzI'll save you the troube: X-Chat 2.0.7Mar 10 04:31
cubezzzftw ;)Mar 10 04:31
scientesWireWulf, why are you here?Mar 10 04:31
sebsebseb[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from sebsebseb: Konversation 1.2 (C) 2002-2009 by the Konversation team.Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFCEnder2070, I'm on Linux, it can say XChat on Linux, not WindowsMar 10 04:31
WireWulfscientes, was invitedMar 10 04:31
scientesWireWulf, do you really like Linux, but not "think its ready yet"?Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFCon Windows, XChat is only XChat if you pay for itMar 10 04:31
cubezzzwell it's not X then it is?Mar 10 04:31
WireWulfscientes, umm i love linux dudeMar 10 04:31
DaemonFCcubezzz, It's like FirefoxMar 10 04:31
Ender2070anywaysMar 10 04:31
DaemonFCThey license their trademarks as they see fitMar 10 04:32
cubezzzI bet I got the oldest xchat :)Mar 10 04:32
Ender2070lolMar 10 04:32
Ender2070i used to use xchat till they started supporting windows more and demanding moneyMar 10 04:32
DaemonFCif I forked XChat and called it XChat, I might be in troubleMar 10 04:32
scientesthere is another buildMar 10 04:32
Ender2070i dont care about another buildMar 10 04:33
cubezzzdo we really need another iRC client? :)Mar 10 04:33
Ender2070im not giving that fucker critical massMar 10 04:33
scienteshttp://www.silverex.org/news/Mar 10 04:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: X-Chat 2 for Windows .::. Size~: 10.03 KBMar 10 04:33
DaemonFCEnder2070, The Windows build can't do anything the Linux build can'tMar 10 04:33
DaemonFCemoticons, that's about itMar 10 04:33
Ender2070it lags behind in linux updatesMar 10 04:33
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Ender2070linux has 2.8.6Mar 10 04:33
sebsebsebscientes: that one is meant to be goodMar 10 04:33
GnuWulfctc this rigMar 10 04:33
sebsebsebXchat is noob chatMar 10 04:33
sebsebsebmost Ubuntu users use itMar 10 04:33
DaemonFCmost of the updates only fix problems it has on WindowsMar 10 04:33
sebsebsebso yep noob chat :DMar 10 04:33
GnuWulf*ctcpMar 10 04:33
DaemonFCthat's whyMar 10 04:33
cubezzzthere you see, Wulf is GNU now :)Mar 10 04:33
scientessebsebseb, ChatZilla is noob clientMar 10 04:33
sebsebsebmost Ubuntu users that use IRC I should putMar 10 04:34
scientesanyways, enough with the ego warsMar 10 04:34
cubezzzyou know I actually like the old xchat betterMar 10 04:34
sebsebsebscientes: maybe so for ChatZilla, but it's a good add onMar 10 04:34
cubezzzyou knew that was coming :)Mar 10 04:34
GnuWulfand i use irssi for some reason :PMar 10 04:34
GnuWulfno clue whyMar 10 04:34
Ender2070 11-Jun-2008Mar 10 04:34
Ender2070After some complaining and whining from a few people about how long it's taking, we've finally released a new Linux version: 2.8.6, enjoy.Mar 10 04:34
DaemonFCEnder2070, /version me againMar 10 04:34
sebsebsebGnuWulf:  Why the two names?  Two computers?Mar 10 04:34
Ender2070last updateMar 10 04:34
GnuWulfsebsebseb: yupMar 10 04:34
GnuWulfwell 5 but i dont feel like turning them all on at onceMar 10 04:35
Ender2070[23:26] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from GnuWulf: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux i686.Mar 10 04:35
Ender2070wootMar 10 04:35
sebsebseb[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from GnuWulf: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux i686.Mar 10 04:35
GnuWulfthink youMar 10 04:35
sebsebsebGnuWulf: On your Gentoo?Mar 10 04:35
GnuWulfyupMar 10 04:36
Ender2070wait wait wait, i686?Mar 10 04:36
sebsebsebEnder2070: later version of 32bitMar 10 04:36
GnuWulfi686 = last version of the 32bit Mar 10 04:36
GnuWulfsortaMar 10 04:36
cubezzz-cubezzz- VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp [i686/551.76MHz/SMP]Mar 10 04:36
sebsebsebGnuWulf: sorta?Mar 10 04:36
GnuWulfsebsebseb: well x64 still uses alot of x86 stuff hints x86_64 or whateverMar 10 04:37
Ender2070im versed in the historyMar 10 04:37
sebsebsebGnuWulf: ah right okMar 10 04:37
Ender2070my system has 8GB of ram, cant run 32-bitMar 10 04:38
GnuWulfcubezzz: got you a nice old p3 with linux 2.4 on it?Mar 10 04:38
sebsebsebEnder2070: What were you asking then?  Or just a bit shocked he was on 32bit or something?Mar 10 04:38
cubezzzyeah :)Mar 10 04:38
cubezzzdual p3Mar 10 04:38
GnuWulfniceMar 10 04:38
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GnuWulfi have a p4 3.12@3.06 1gb ramMar 10 04:39
cubezzzthis is the oldest desktop I still useMar 10 04:39
computerguysydnewow, i got an acer oneMar 10 04:39
sebsebsebcomputerguysydne: Who are you?Mar 10 04:39
DaemonFCEnder2070, That's one problem Fedora has, no bundle of 32-bit librariesMar 10 04:39
GnuWulfi use to have a p1 that did my net music streamingMar 10 04:39
DaemonFCyou just have to examine why every time something failsMar 10 04:39
cubezzzGnuWulf, my Zaurus is a bit older :)Mar 10 04:40
cubezzz2.4.6 Mar 10 04:40
computerguysydnemale 23 canMar 10 04:40
sebsebsebcomputerguysydne: You just found this channel or?Mar 10 04:40
DaemonFCfigure out what library you don't have, yum whatprovides libfoo.386Mar 10 04:40
computerguysydne?Mar 10 04:41
GnuWulfcomputerguysydne: sup dude? why you here? and really xnew ppl keep making me feel youngMar 10 04:41
Ender2070[23:31] <DaemonFC> Ender2070, That's one problem Fedora has, no bundle of 32-bit librariesMar 10 04:41
Ender2070LOL so wrongMar 10 04:42
cubezzzafter your OS gets old yum stops workingMar 10 04:42
Ender2070yum install wine, it'll pull themMar 10 04:42
computerguysydnejust browsinMar 10 04:42
DaemonFCwhat if I don't want Wine? :)Mar 10 04:42
sebsebsebcomputerguysydne: Ok welcome to the channelMar 10 04:42
sebsebsebcomputerguysydne: found it on /list or?Mar 10 04:42
Ender2070[23:30] <sebsebseb> Ender2070: What were you asking then?  Or just a bit shocked he was on 32bit or something?Mar 10 04:42
Ender2070shockedMar 10 04:42
*GnuWulf doesnt fully trust x64 yetMar 10 04:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to do some mixing in the Severed Fifth studio live at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studioMar 10 04:43
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DaemonFCGnuWulf, FUDMar 10 04:43
DaemonFCno reason to run 32-bit x86 unless your processor is oldMar 10 04:43
DaemonFCor you have a netbookMar 10 04:43
computerguysydnei doMar 10 04:43
cubezzzI'm not really a big fan of x86Mar 10 04:43
cubezzzstill looking for an ARM desktop :)Mar 10 04:44
GnuWulfDaemonFC: my desktops are old my lappy is x64 but i am just idk not really sure about x64 computing atmMar 10 04:44
GnuWulfcubezzz: good luckMar 10 04:44
cubezzzthis box is 12 years old and it still works perfectMar 10 04:45
DaemonFCthere's no problems with X86-64Mar 10 04:45
DaemonFCit's backward compatibleMar 10 04:45
DaemonFCbrbMar 10 04:45
GnuWulfDaemonFC: there is always some issue you do not see at frist with everythingMar 10 04:45
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GnuWulfand besides i got till 2038 toget use to x64 and maybe x128 computingMar 10 04:46
GnuWulfwhich seems to be a upcome realism in the short term if M$ has there wayMar 10 04:50
GnuWulf*up comeingMar 10 04:50
GnuWulfanyway i will brb i most smoke for some reasonMar 10 04:51
scientesnicotine addictionMar 10 04:52
scientesor propritary smoke and mirrors addiction :PMar 10 04:52
cubezzzI don't think there's "Open Smokes" :)Mar 10 04:52
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Ender2070nativesMar 10 04:56
Ender2070no proprietary chemical additives ;)Mar 10 04:57
cubezzzdid First Nations smoke?Mar 10 04:57
cubezzzthey had peace pipes or something right?Mar 10 04:57
GnuWulfeveryone has there viceMar 10 04:57
Ender2070they got us hookedMar 10 04:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Legend of Koizumi chapter 21 is now out http://ur1.ca/ozy6Mar 10 04:57
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tessier__http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?RSS&entryid=1369Mar 10 04:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenOffice.org Breaks Records Everywhere - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 79.04 KBMar 10 04:57
tessier__Wow. 25% of Brazil uses OpenOfficeMar 10 04:57
*cubezzz frownsMar 10 04:58
cubezzzonly 25%?Mar 10 04:58
cubezzz;-)Mar 10 04:58
scientesnot very goodMar 10 04:58
scientesshould be higherMar 10 04:58
Ender2070yeah isn't it 25% in US too?Mar 10 04:58
scientesand 25% of what?Mar 10 04:58
GnuWulfi use OO.o but that cuz i really dislike M$ wordMar 10 04:58
cubezzzI'd love to know the real percentageMar 10 04:58
scientesif its people thats pretty goodMar 10 04:58
*GnuWulf is wondering why vista and win7 droped openGL support (sorta pissy)Mar 10 05:00
tessier__OpenGL is the open standard which even Linux supports.Mar 10 05:00
Ender2070to get more devs on directx and depreciate openglMar 10 05:00
Ender2070opengl gets emulated and ends up being slowerMar 10 05:00
tessier__DirectX is Microsoft's own lock-in technology.Mar 10 05:00
tessier__So of course they want everyone to use that instead.Mar 10 05:00
GnuWulfopenGL is better + more gameing companys use itMar 10 05:01
Ender2070i wish that was trueMar 10 05:01
GnuWulfi havent seen a major change in Directx in awailMar 10 05:01
GnuWulfEnder2070: the ones i like still use itMar 10 05:01
Ender2070theres a rare fewMar 10 05:02
GnuWulfbioware is a major company still useing itMar 10 05:02
Ender2070i hope valve does source for linuxMar 10 05:02
Ender2070isn't bioware a ms ally?Mar 10 05:03
DaemonFCbioware is a good companyMar 10 05:04
DaemonFCthey do good workMar 10 05:04
GnuWulfEnder2070: bioware also said they loved the fact ppl was useing there products in wineMar 10 05:04
DaemonFCthey did KOTORMar 10 05:04
DaemonFCKOTOR II went to Obsidian and was so-soMar 10 05:04
GnuWulfravensoft did nwn Mar 10 05:05
GnuWulfbut had a different company put it out for themMar 10 05:05
DaemonFCDarth Traya was about fucking hard enough to killMar 10 05:05
tessier__schestowitz: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=1953&blogid=14 Lots of companies out there secretly violating the NDA to avoid patent suits?Mar 10 05:05
DaemonFCthe rest of the game put together wasn't that hardMar 10 05:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Real Reason for Microsoft's TomTom Lawsuit - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 90.77 KBMar 10 05:05
DaemonFCthe first time I went to face her, the game didn't spawn herMar 10 05:06
DaemonFCI had to load my last save Mar 10 05:06
GnuWulfthen there is id who stated they would have issues retrianing there coders to use directx so they will stick to openGLMar 10 05:06
DaemonFCOpenGL runs on every platformMar 10 05:07
DaemonFCthey don't want to be tied downMar 10 05:07
DaemonFCsmartMar 10 05:07
GnuWulfDaemonFC: in pc gameing directx may rule but most gameing systems (ie playstation,wii,few others) use openGLMar 10 05:09
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DaemonFCyeah, no sense in paying to license DirectXMar 10 05:10
GnuWulfsomeone oncxe told my that *nix gameing is the reason it isn't popularMar 10 05:11
DaemonFC*gamingMar 10 05:12
DaemonFCwell, the gaming on Windows is a lot of bad titlesMar 10 05:12
Ender2070AMD is funnyMar 10 05:12
DaemonFCand a few good onesMar 10 05:12
tessier__Windows lock-in is whyMar 10 05:12
tessier__I remember on my Apple II I used to have to actually boot the disk with the game on itMar 10 05:13
tessier__The game had its own OS and everything it needed.Mar 10 05:13
tessier__Then came the PC with a zillion different kinds of hardware and that went away.Mar 10 05:13
GnuWulfWindows is only the king becuase people think it is the only osMar 10 05:13
GnuWulffor example i am 20 most ppl my age dont use any unix based osMar 10 05:14
GnuWulfor even seen a cp/m computerMar 10 05:14
Ender2070im 25Mar 10 05:14
Ender2070started with ms-dos unfortunatelyMar 10 05:14
GnuWulflol @ ms-dosMar 10 05:14
Ender2070howeverMar 10 05:15
Ender2070i did get pc-dos a little later insteadMar 10 05:15
Ender2070but i didnt even know unix or linux existed till about 1999Mar 10 05:15
*tessier__ discovered Linux in spring of '94Mar 10 05:15
*scientes was very young thenMar 10 05:16
GnuWulfunix started in 1963 as an at&t engear started "play" with cp/mMar 10 05:16
tessier__Been using it exclusively ever sinceMar 10 05:16
GnuWulfheard to believe becuase i am trying to learn unixx system V r4 better known as solarisMar 10 05:17
GnuWulfwhich is not Unix but a unix based osMar 10 05:17
GnuWulftessier__: my school had us start learning computers like the apple II se4 at a young ageMar 10 05:19
GnuWulfthen i learned windows and started feeling depressed alotMar 10 05:19
GnuWulfEnder2070: closest i have came to dos is freeDOS and windows command propt saddlyMar 10 05:20
GnuWulfwell and dosbox if that counts till i got freedoom anywayMar 10 05:20
GnuWulfi use windows for schooling and tho i am not in school atm i hope to go to college again one dayMar 10 05:21
DaemonFChttp://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1462Mar 10 05:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Doom3 + Voodoo2_Patch_v1_0 - 3dfxzone.it  WorldWide  Community .::. Size~: 98.66 KBMar 10 05:22
GnuWulfi wished i know codeing :PMar 10 05:23
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GnuWulfhi Omar87 Mar 10 05:26
GnuWulfanyone think win8 has a hope of being x128 compadible?Mar 10 05:27
cubezzzthere's no x128 cpuMar 10 05:28
Omar87GnuWulf, heyMar 10 05:29
GnuWulfcubezzz: thats what i was thinking yet M$ coders say it there will be a x128 win8 versionMar 10 05:29
Omar87GnuWulf, dude that's what cocaine does to those M$ retards.Mar 10 05:29
GnuWulflolMar 10 05:30
DaemonFChttp://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20100308225832_ATI_Nvidia_Bribes_Game_Developers_to_Promote_PhysX.htmlMar 10 05:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ATI: Nvidia Bribes Game Developers to Promote PhysX - X-bit labs .::. Size~: 32.82 KBMar 10 05:30
Omar87GnuWulf, M$ coders can daydream and hallucinate all they want, ya know. :PMar 10 05:30
GnuWulfOmar87: i have to say i respect them if they are coding to versions for a cpu that isnt around :PMar 10 05:30
GnuWulf*twoMar 10 05:31
Omar87GnuWulf, LOL! :DMar 10 05:31
GnuWulfwin9 is projected as x128 onlyMar 10 05:31
cubezzzthey were looking at two x86's with blurry vision :)Mar 10 05:32
Omar87GnuWulf, Microsoft is the land of ultimate hallucination and mass-hypnosis, ya know. That's how they make money.Mar 10 05:32
*scientes thinks gnuwulf is a shillMar 10 05:32
scientesor is being ironicMar 10 05:32
GnuWulfscientes: i trool fourms alot and i remember reading stuff like thatMar 10 05:32
GnuWulf*trollMar 10 05:32
scientescause its some of the most rediculous vaporware ive heardMar 10 05:33
Ender2070I get a lot of trolls on my blogMar 10 05:34
cubezzzI'm building a x256 :)Mar 10 05:34
cubezzzneiner neinerMar 10 05:34
Ender2070x1024.....Mar 10 05:34
GnuWulfcubezzz: i am building x1024 :PMar 10 05:34
cubezzzlolMar 10 05:34
Ender2070:PMar 10 05:34
GnuWulfi could see x128 in the works but i dont see it being readyMar 10 05:35
Ender2070actually, you guys can fool around with that crapMar 10 05:35
Ender2070cubits, fuck bitsMar 10 05:35
Diablo-D3x128?Mar 10 05:35
cubezzzhttp://www.iyonix.com/Mar 10 05:35
scientesGnuWulf, you should go learn some more about computers instead of just trollingMar 10 05:36
scientesand gossipingMar 10 05:36
Ender2070LOLMar 10 05:36
cubezzznever seemed to catch on thoughMar 10 05:36
Ender20702nd person to call him a trollMar 10 05:36
GnuWulfyayMar 10 05:36
scienteslike, just install linuxMar 10 05:36
GnuWulf:PMar 10 05:36
Diablo-D3what the fuck is anyone even talking aboutMar 10 05:36
scienteslearn how to use itMar 10 05:36
Diablo-D3wtf is a x128?Mar 10 05:37
scientesserver maintainance, package management, etc, etcMar 10 05:37
GnuWulfDiablo-D3: a figment of a M$ coders mindMar 10 05:37
cubezzzDiablo-D3, vapourwareMar 10 05:37
scientesit's not that difficultMar 10 05:37
scientesand its the only way to learnMar 10 05:37
tessier__http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-accused-of-sneaking-ie-clones-into-browser-ballot-5607Mar 10 05:37
cubezzzyou know, running windows 9 :)Mar 10 05:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Accused Of Sneaking IE Clones Into Browser Ballot | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 37.18 KBMar 10 05:37
tessier__Sneaky sneakyMar 10 05:37
*Diablo-D3 gives up.Mar 10 05:37
GnuWulfDiablo-D3: it is a fake cpu reported will work with win8Mar 10 05:38
Diablo-D3umMar 10 05:38
Diablo-D3but you're not making any sesneMar 10 05:38
Diablo-D3what is it?Mar 10 05:39
jweyrichstop feeding the trolls.Mar 10 05:39
*Diablo-D3 goes back to ddossing their countries of origin thenMar 10 05:39
GnuWulf.Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8  and definitely Windows 9..Mar 10 05:40
Diablo-D3ahhMar 10 05:40
Diablo-D3more context makes it clearerMar 10 05:40
Diablo-D3problem is, intel is not working on an ia-128 afiakMar 10 05:41
jweyrichGnuWulf: give any reference that proofs it.Mar 10 05:41
scientesGnuWulf, you are talking about products that do not exist as if they existedMar 10 05:41
DaemonFCwhy would they?Mar 10 05:41
scientesabout version of Vista that do not yet existMar 10 05:42
scientesmore trecherous computing, more anti-featuresMar 10 05:42
GnuWulfscientes: i just like to read those there funnyMar 10 05:42
scientesand a instruction that doesn't exist, and both Intel and AMD denyMar 10 05:42
scientesGnuWulf, repeating it is trollingMar 10 05:43
Diablo-D3windows doesnt support ia64 as of win8 anyhowMar 10 05:43
scientesVista 8, aka Vista.2, doesn't existMar 10 05:43
jweyrichmicrosoft merely launched win7. it has tons of bugs, including the crap called UAC.Mar 10 05:44
cubezzzI'm sure they got something in the worksMar 10 05:44
scientesjweyrich, security treatre called UAC http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.htmlMar 10 05:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows 7 UAC whitelist: Code-injection Issue (and more) .::. Size~: 73.96 KBMar 10 05:44
jweyrichalmost everyone knows how to bypass UAC.Mar 10 05:45
Ender2070microsoft hesitated about 64-bit at first, why would they support something that isn't even prototyped yetMar 10 05:45
GnuWulfEnder2070: idk dudeMar 10 05:46
cubezzzthere's rumours of a 128-bit AMD cpuMar 10 05:46
jweyrichand seriously, require signature to load drivers? hmmm! that sounds like BAD design.Mar 10 05:46
Ender2070a signature requires fees :)Mar 10 05:46
Ender2070$$$Mar 10 05:47
GnuWulfcubezzz: but that would make intel no some much a M$ loveing cpu :OMar 10 05:47
Ender2070windows 7 can't even support the full amount of ram that 64-bit arch supportsMar 10 05:47
GnuWulf*so muchMar 10 05:47
GnuWulfwin7 is just a prettier vista XDMar 10 05:47
GnuWulfhints the whole 6.1 thingMar 10 05:48
cubezzzhttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/enterprise/352270/microsoft-leaks-details-of-windows-8-and-windows-9Mar 10 05:48
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*jweyrich wants fatelf to be wide deployed. kthxbyeMar 10 05:48
jweyrichwidely*Mar 10 05:48
GnuWulfwhat is a Mar 10 05:49
GnuWulffuckMar 10 05:49
Ender2070they often leak fake shitMar 10 05:49
Ender2070listen to friedman's testimonyMar 10 05:49
Ender2070like the dos 7 vapourwareMar 10 05:49
GnuWulfwhat is a spectrum emulator?Mar 10 05:50
jweyrichmv pcpro /dev/nullMar 10 05:50
GnuWulfin dumbasses terms please :PMar 10 05:50
Ender2070ms leaks are some of their oldest marketing techniquesMar 10 05:50
Ender2070[00:37] <cubezzz> there's rumours of a 128-bit AMD cpuMar 10 05:51
Ender2070lol?Mar 10 05:51
GnuWulfnvm i will read what it doesMar 10 05:52
GnuWulfhttp://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/ i still wonder what it does :PMar 10 05:53
GnuWulfspectrum emulator-emulates a BASIC Development environmenMar 10 05:55
GnuWulfnice to know my old college txt books had that i guessMar 10 05:56
jweyrichGnuWulf: just saw the robert morgan's linkedin profile. totally fake.Mar 10 05:57
GnuWulfjweyrich: no shit :PMar 10 05:57
jweyrichit's sad tons of websites keep spreading this shit around the world.Mar 10 05:58
GnuWulfmmhmmMar 10 05:58
GnuWulfcuz it is M$Mar 10 05:58
GnuWulfbut i still don't get what a dos spectrum x128 emulator doesMar 10 05:59
jweyrichit emulates a 8bit old pc.Mar 10 05:59
jweyrichwhat do you expect to do with that?Mar 10 05:59
jweyrichzxspec is 30 years old.Mar 10 05:59
jweyrichat least.Mar 10 06:00
cubezzzthere was a commodore 128Mar 10 06:01
cubezzzbut that's not a 128-bit cpu :)Mar 10 06:01
jweyrichzxspectrum.net <- playgroundMar 10 06:01
GnuWulfjweyrich: why do that?Mar 10 06:02
jweyrich??Mar 10 06:02
GnuWulfwhy emulate old hardware that isnt widly used anymoreMar 10 06:03
cubezzzthere's lots of reasons to run an emulatorMar 10 06:04
cubezzzdosbox for old dos gamesMar 10 06:04
GnuWulf:PMar 10 06:04
jweyrichGnuWulf: probably it's made by a fanatic.Mar 10 06:04
jweyrichcan't guess though.Mar 10 06:05
cubezzzMAME, emulating old arcade games...Mar 10 06:05
GnuWulfjweyrich: i knew ppl emulated atari stuff but really emulation sort bores meMar 10 06:05
jweyrichthat's like seeing people using atari emulators. not big reason.Mar 10 06:05
jweyrichyep.Mar 10 06:06
GnuWulfi would reather use the full capiblities of my hardware Mar 10 06:06
GnuWulfto play a gameMar 10 06:06
GnuWulf:PMar 10 06:06
GnuWulfand emulation can be hell on a computer :P i tried vba on my win7 laptop and massively failedMar 10 06:08
cubezzzLands of Lore ftw :)Mar 10 06:08
cubezzzplus I wrote quite a number of dos programsMar 10 06:08
cubezzzit's nice to still have themMar 10 06:08
GnuWulfcubezzz: lands of lore?Mar 10 06:08
GnuWulf^most likly before my timeMar 10 06:09
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lands_of_LoreMar 10 06:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lands of Lore: The Throne of Chaos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 28.92 KBMar 10 06:09
cubezzz1993Mar 10 06:09
GnuWulfmmmkay most likly before i know there was games outside of nes and snesMar 10 06:09
jweyrichStunts FTWMar 10 06:10
GnuWulfmario :PMar 10 06:10
jweyrichhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunts_(video_game)Mar 10 06:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Stunts (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 43.44 KBMar 10 06:10
GnuWulfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blades_of_SteelMar 10 06:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 10 06:12
GnuWulfmy favorit game for my old nes and it is older then me XDMar 10 06:12
jweyrichthe manager, a soccer game for DOS too. 1991Mar 10 06:12
*GnuWulf likes hockeyMar 10 06:13
GnuWulfand american footballMar 10 06:13
GnuWulfand dislikes zenwalk cuz it never wants to workMar 10 06:13
jweyrichI'm off to bed. need some rest.Mar 10 06:14
jweyrichgood night everyone.Mar 10 06:14
jweyrichor good day.Mar 10 06:14
GnuWulfgn Mar 10 06:14
GnuWulfor in my case good mourning :PMar 10 06:14
GnuWulf*morningMar 10 06:14
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030902670.html?hpid=moreheadlinesMar 10 06:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: JihadJane, an American woman, faces terrorism charges - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 86.83 KBMar 10 06:14
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DaemonFCjono, What's with the updates that have bad dependences? (parted, gparted)?Mar 10 06:16
cubezzzat one time the game big three was Amiga, ST and DOSMar 10 06:17
DaemonFCyay DOSMar 10 06:17
GnuWulfnow there is windows and the consule wars xDMar 10 06:19
jonoDaemonFC, I have no idea what you are on aboutMar 10 06:20
DaemonFCGnuWulf, The thing is that Microsoft hasn't been a success in the console marketMar 10 06:20
DaemonFCjono, Can't install gparted or parted updatesMar 10 06:20
DaemonFCbeen sitting there for two days nowMar 10 06:20
jonoDaemonFC, no ideaMar 10 06:21
GnuWulfDaemonFC: thing is xbox sucks i ama go play wii :PMar 10 06:21
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GnuWulfomg zenwalk gnome is working i am shockedMar 10 06:22
GnuWulf*shocked*Mar 10 06:22
DaemonFCThe following packages have been kept back:Mar 10 06:22
DaemonFC  parted udisks Mar 10 06:22
DaemonFChehMar 10 06:22
GnuWulfDaemonFC: what distro?Mar 10 06:23
DaemonFCjono, Ubuntu should be more like DOSMar 10 06:23
DaemonFCDOS never gave me bad dependenciesMar 10 06:23
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 06:23
GnuWulfwindows says i am missing a .dllMar 10 06:23
GnuWulf<.<Mar 10 06:23
cubezzzjust run anything old DaemonFCMar 10 06:23
cubezzzthen you aren't continually updatingMar 10 06:23
cubezzzbelieve me, I know :)Mar 10 06:24
DaemonFCsomeone just needs to shit or get off the pot hereMar 10 06:24
DaemonFCupload the fucking updated dependency packages alreadyMar 10 06:24
DaemonFC:PMar 10 06:24
GnuWulflolMar 10 06:24
GnuWulfDaemonFC: you could compile them yourselfMar 10 06:24
GnuWulfor lib hunt them down yourselfMar 10 06:25
*GnuWulf has did bothMar 10 06:25
GnuWulffor the same program too witch was wow :PMar 10 06:26
*GnuWulf punches WireWulf Mar 10 06:26
DaemonFChehMar 10 06:27
DaemonFCsomeone asked if I had any better ideas than the mayor firing all those police officers and firefighters and putting the extra equipment on eBayMar 10 06:28
GnuWulf:OMar 10 06:28
DaemonFCI say "Yeah, as a matter of fact...I think we should put the mayor, the city council, and our prosecutor on eBay, list in the description the status of the town when they got in and where we are now, and see if there's any bids"Mar 10 06:29
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DaemonFCI think we should all agree to go back to subsistence farmingMar 10 06:31
DaemonFCthere's no taxes at all that way B-)Mar 10 06:31
GnuWulfi am not a fan of big goverment or studing govermentMar 10 06:33
GnuWulfbut :PMar 10 06:33
Ender2070[01:22] <DaemonFC> I think we should all agree to go back to subsistence farmingMar 10 06:33
DaemonFCWell, they're going to be hiring private Medicare and Medicaid auditors finallyMar 10 06:33
Ender2070bam, i support you +1Mar 10 06:33
DaemonFCpay them a percent of whatever fraud they uncoverMar 10 06:33
Ender2070self-sustainability :)Mar 10 06:33
DaemonFCEnder2070, I plan to convert my yard into a marijuana farmMar 10 06:34
Ender2070ROFLMAOMar 10 06:34
DaemonFCtrade it for some tomatoes and cows milk and shitMar 10 06:34
DaemonFC:DMar 10 06:34
DaemonFCthat can be the new economyMar 10 06:34
DaemonFCAnd when you ask me how much green I unloaded for that, it'll have a whole new meaningMar 10 06:35
GnuWulflolMar 10 06:35
GnuWulfstonerZMar 10 06:35
Ender2070I think technology is reaching a point where we can have all the nice things we're used to without the governmentMar 10 06:36
Ender2070and without having to pay someone for some basic needsMar 10 06:36
DaemonFCEnder2070, I also say we should fire all of the police, there is only one law now, and that is whoever shoots first is rightMar 10 06:36
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 06:36
Ender2070without laws and regulations, people would be forced to get their HONOUR backMar 10 06:37
Ender2070code duelloMar 10 06:37
DaemonFCexactlyMar 10 06:37
DaemonFCthere will be less crime that wayMar 10 06:38
DaemonFCcall it a hunchMar 10 06:38
Ender2070yeahMar 10 06:38
GnuWulfless laws = less crime Mar 10 06:38
GnuWulfyayMar 10 06:38
Ender2070yesMar 10 06:38
Ender2070crime wouldn't exist if theres no lawsMar 10 06:38
Ender2070logicallyMar 10 06:38
Ender2070since nothing would be illegalMar 10 06:38
DaemonFCGnuWulf, Well yeah, I mainly meant if people think they're going to be shot to death for doing bad thingsMar 10 06:38
DaemonFCthey probably won't do bad thingsMar 10 06:38
Ender2070yeahMar 10 06:39
DaemonFCthe reason there's so much crime now is because the consequences are too lightMar 10 06:39
Ender2070people do bad things now because if they go to jail, they get 3 free meals a day, internet access, and a college educationMar 10 06:39
Ender2070theres no downsideMar 10 06:40
DaemonFCif you rolled out the guillotine and made pretty damned sure that any murderer, rapist, child molester, meth lab operator, etc. KNEW they would get itMar 10 06:40
GnuWulfumm ever been to county lock-upMar 10 06:40
DaemonFCstuff like that would drop to near zeroMar 10 06:40
cubezzzthey did that in FranceMar 10 06:41
cubezzzthere was still murders, rape, etcMar 10 06:41
DaemonFCEnder2070, Stick them in a dark cell with a cement slab for a bed and feed them gruel Mar 10 06:41
Ender2070theres people not afraid of death, trueMar 10 06:41
DaemonFCmake their restroom be that hole in the floorMar 10 06:41
Ender2070fly them into north koreaMar 10 06:42
Ender2070paratroopsMar 10 06:42
DaemonFCEnder2070, That's how I'd get costs down and make sure there were fewer volunteersMar 10 06:42
Ender2070LOL heres an ideaMar 10 06:42
GnuWulfDaemonFC: north korea is no mans landMar 10 06:42
DaemonFCI'd make prison so nasty that it bordered on cruel and unusual, Ender2070 Mar 10 06:43
DaemonFCThey wouldn't have luxuriesMar 10 06:43
DaemonFCnot a oneMar 10 06:43
GnuWulfDaemonFC: trade them to china to lower what we owe themMar 10 06:43
Ender2070make a guvernment funded lottery based on this premise: People will take bets on which prisoners don't use their parachute, and which ones land and get torturedMar 10 06:43
DaemonFCGnuWulf, Deport them to MexicoMar 10 06:43
GnuWulfDaemonFC: china has slaveryMar 10 06:44
GnuWulf>.>Mar 10 06:44
DaemonFCkind ofMar 10 06:44
Ender2070any country with taxes has slaveryMar 10 06:44
Ender2070its just a matter of perceptionMar 10 06:44
DaemonFCI doubt they want our prisonersMar 10 06:44
DaemonFCEnder2070, The room is loggedMar 10 06:45
cubezzzguys, how do you think garbage pickup, roads and schools get built?Mar 10 06:45
DaemonFCthat's why I don't tell you how much I pay in taxesMar 10 06:45
cubezzzby tax moneyMar 10 06:45
GnuWulfDaemonFC: i look at it this way "you can have this man and work him to death all we ask is you subtract it from what we owe you"Mar 10 06:45
Ender2070why do we need to much garbage wasteMar 10 06:45
Ender2070so muchMar 10 06:45
DaemonFCGnuWulf, But then they put him to work making shit to sell to usMar 10 06:45
DaemonFC:)Mar 10 06:45
Ender2070roads only assist in our slaveryMar 10 06:46
Ender2070and schools brainwash us into accepting all of itMar 10 06:46
cubezzzah, OK :)Mar 10 06:46
GnuWulfDaemonFC: tis the cycle of lifeMar 10 06:46
DaemonFCI pay sales taxMar 10 06:46
DaemonFCthat's about itMar 10 06:46
Ender2070there are so many things we're programmed to wantMar 10 06:46
Ender2070we werent put on this planet to watch tvMar 10 06:47
GnuWulfthere is a state without sxtate taxes guess what there students have a higher education level :PMar 10 06:47
cubezzzEnder2070, I think Alberta has no sales tax?Mar 10 06:47
Ender2070falseMar 10 06:47
Ender2070it'll have gstMar 10 06:47
Ender2070andMar 10 06:47
DaemonFCGnuWulf, Texas has no income taxMar 10 06:47
Ender2070in july, it will have harmonized taxMar 10 06:48
Ender20708% higher for us in ontarioMar 10 06:48
GnuWulfDaemonFC: think it was a northeren state but most taxens seem smartMar 10 06:48
cubezzzEnder2070, with no garbage pickup you better be composting at least :)Mar 10 06:48
Ender2070society could generate less garbageMar 10 06:48
cubezzztrueMar 10 06:49
Ender2070how much bullshit do we buyMar 10 06:49
cubezzzagain, look at the AmishMar 10 06:49
GnuWulfstate income tax in alabama sucksMar 10 06:49
cubezzzif you want to go down that roadMar 10 06:49
GnuWulfno matter what you owe the stateMar 10 06:49
Ender2070i think we can do something similar, _with_ technologyMar 10 06:49
cubezzzin England it used to be really bad for the under-classMar 10 06:50
GnuWulfEnder2070: recycle, switch to epaper, order stuff you need online, and dont go to walmartMar 10 06:50
cubezzzyou got caught hunting on some rich dudes land, you got put in jailMar 10 06:50
Ender2070imagine if everyone had their own personal breeder reactorMar 10 06:50
DaemonFCWe should abolish state governments anywayMar 10 06:50
Ender2070pretty soon people will be allowed to have their own wimax transmitters tooMar 10 06:51
cubezzzwe should really get rid of phone books and newspapers at leastMar 10 06:51
Ender2070why would we need to keep funding dsl infustructure if a new network emerged over wireless with no centralized control due to everyone having wimax transmitters/receiversMar 10 06:51
cubezzzI can see a problem thoughMar 10 06:52
Ender2070sure there areMar 10 06:52
Ender2070i just thought of it a minute agoMar 10 06:52
cubezzzwith inter-continental net usageMar 10 06:52
Ender2070lolMar 10 06:52
cubezzzdsl could be cheaper thoughMar 10 06:52
Ender2070why disturb the environment?Mar 10 06:53
Ender2070laying down cablesMar 10 06:53
cubezzzwell cables give you a better signalMar 10 06:53
cubezzzless interferenceMar 10 06:53
Ender2070that is perfectly trueMar 10 06:53
Ender2070if everyone was on wireless though it would improve quite fastMar 10 06:53
cubezzzthere's a ton of EM flying around these daysMar 10 06:53
Ender2070not to mention the dangers of EM radiation tooMar 10 06:54
cubezzzUHF, VHF, microwavesMar 10 06:54
Ender2070but i think technology will remove the need for government, very soonMar 10 06:54
Ender2070not that we'll get thatMar 10 06:54
cubezzzwell firemen, police, and all the muncipal stuff...Mar 10 06:55
Ender2070i saw this toilet on vacation on pelee island, and it incinerated your shitMar 10 06:55
Ender2070LOLMar 10 06:55
cubezzzsome people home school their kidsMar 10 06:55
*Diablo-D3 locks Ender2070 in said toilet, and turns it onMar 10 06:55
GnuWulfmy parents never had time :PMar 10 06:55
GnuWulfi seen a toilet that washes your ass Mar 10 06:56
Ender2070thats a buday (spelled wrong I think)Mar 10 06:56
Ender2070bidetMar 10 06:57
cubezzzAss Cleaner (TM)Mar 10 06:57
cubezzzfrom Microsoft :)Mar 10 06:57
GnuWulfEnder2070: was a toilet in japan with a small weter jet that cameout of a cyclener the came in and out of the bowl its selfMar 10 06:57
Diablo-D3has anyone ever noticedMar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3how similarMar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3our vice president's name is to a bidet?Mar 10 06:58
GnuWulfthey called it the smart toilet or somethingMar 10 06:58
Ender2070its pronounced "boo day"Mar 10 06:58
GnuWulfcubezzz: Ass Cleaner (TM) by M$ would make your ass dirtyMar 10 06:58
cubezzzlolMar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3Ender2070: yes butMar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3one little letter slipMar 10 06:59
Diablo-D3and its the end of some journalist's careerMar 10 06:59
GnuWulfcubezzz: have give you random virusesMar 10 06:59
DaemonFChome skeewling werked fer me!Mar 10 06:59
Diablo-D3either that, or the start of itMar 10 06:59
DaemonFC:PMar 10 06:59
Ender2070lolMar 10 06:59
GnuWulftho i would hate to see a ass cleaner error message Mar 10 07:00
Ender2070yeah, but you could then literally say "this software is shit"Mar 10 07:00
cubezzzI already do that :)Mar 10 07:00
GnuWulfEnder2070: before or after the viruses?Mar 10 07:01
Ender2070ecoli 2.0 ?Mar 10 07:01
GnuWulfharpbies, hiv, so onMar 10 07:01
GnuWulfall can be transmitted by shitMar 10 07:01
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BidetMar 10 07:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bidet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 43.91 KBMar 10 07:03
cubezzzthere was that thing on slashdot, poopee or something :)Mar 10 07:03
cubezzzturns human waste into fertilizerMar 10 07:03
Ender2070yesMar 10 07:03
Ender2070lolMar 10 07:03
Ender2070you know what these sick fuck scientists are also doing?Mar 10 07:04
cubezzznot really :)Mar 10 07:04
Ender2070enviro-friendly cremation, with the ability to use grandma to fertilize your cropsMar 10 07:04
cubezzzyikesMar 10 07:04
Ender2070lol i might actually have that process put into my willMar 10 07:04
Ender2070make my relatives eat meMar 10 07:05
Ender2070you know all these anti-aging facial creams for women?Mar 10 07:06
cubezzzI'm afraid to ask nowMar 10 07:06
Ender2070they are made from aborted baby fetusesMar 10 07:06
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GnuWulfweeMar 10 07:11
GnuWulfstem-cellsMar 10 07:12
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GnuWulfyayMar 10 07:14
GnuWulfnightMar 10 07:14
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Ender2070I noticed a lot of new people todayMar 10 07:16
Diablo-D3yeahMar 10 07:17
Diablo-D3its a microsoft thingMar 10 07:17
Diablo-D3gnuwulf is probably a microsoft shillMar 10 07:18
Ender2070someone said they knew himMar 10 07:23
Ender2070sebsebseb I thinkMar 10 07:23
sebsebsebEnder2070: no I invited him here from another networkMar 10 07:23
sebsebsebEnder2070: he seemed ok on thereMar 10 07:23
Ender2070whereMar 10 07:23
sebsebseba small IRC networkMar 10 07:24
Ender2070which oneMar 10 07:24
sebsebsebnevermindMar 10 07:24
Ender2070irc.microsoft.com ?Mar 10 07:24
sebsebsebnoMar 10 07:24
Ender2070:PMar 10 07:24
DaemonFCMicrosoft used to use IRCMar 10 07:24
sebsebsebEnder2070: I been up all night againMar 10 07:24
sebsebsebEnder2070: howeverMar 10 07:24
sebsebsebEnder2070: well I am talking to an American woman about going Mandriva :)Mar 10 07:25
sebsebsebshe had virus on her sons computerMar 10 07:25
Ender2070how will he run his warez then?Mar 10 07:25
Ender2070lolMar 10 07:26
Ender2070I suspect someone new here works for NASAMar 10 07:26
DaemonFCME!!!Mar 10 07:27
DaemonFC:PMar 10 07:27
Ender2070whoever mentioned the .net app with ie box and google mapsMar 10 07:27
Ender2070its just a hunch thoughMar 10 07:29
schestowitzre Mac Asay  "@schestowitz In his time at C|Net, he's been used to saying provocative things to drive traffic. Can't continue it in his new job." http://identi.ca/notice/24248232 "@schestowitz UBUNTU 10: /Microsoft for Human Beings/"   http://identi.ca/notice/24254013Mar 10 07:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Walt Hucks (lnxwalt) 's status on Wednesday, 10-Mar-10 03:17:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.21 KBMar 10 07:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: menn (openuniverse) 's status on Wednesday, 10-Mar-10 04:54:03 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.17 KBMar 10 07:30
Ender2070lolMar 10 07:34
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/24230012 "Mar 10 07:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: menn (openuniverse) 's status on Tuesday, 09-Mar-10 22:59:12 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.22 KBMar 10 07:36
schestowitzopenuniverseMar 10 07:36
schestowitz@schestowitz it'd be more secure if it didn't connect to google. (or china.) and the browser will be non-free, right? #fauxpensourceMar 10 07:36
schestowitz"Mar 10 07:36
DaemonFC"Do you know how they say 'fuck you' in this business? 'TRUST ME!!!!"'"Mar 10 07:41
DaemonFClolMar 10 07:41
Diablo-D3lolMar 10 07:41
DaemonFCI swear it's one damned thing or another this weekMar 10 07:42
DaemonFCslept like 20 hours wake up with sore back, now I have a headacheMar 10 07:43
*DaemonFC goes and finds the alka seltzer, againMar 10 07:43
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, I think those may be mankind's greatest invention (over the counter)Mar 10 07:44
Diablo-D3lolMar 10 07:46
Diablo-D3mpMar 10 07:46
Diablo-D3noMar 10 07:46
Diablo-D3hot women giving head is mankind's greatest inventionMar 10 07:46
DaemonFCI'll just take your wordMar 10 07:47
DaemonFC:PMar 10 07:47
Ender2070in your case it's hot men?Mar 10 07:47
DaemonFCsure, why not?Mar 10 07:47
Diablo-D3in DaemonFC's defense, a mouth is a mouth.Mar 10 07:47
Diablo-D3then again, I heard gay guys arent nearly as good at it as womenMar 10 07:48
sebsebsebEnder2070: not everyone that get's viruses do warez by the wayMar 10 07:48
sebsebsebEnder2070: or bad websitesMar 10 07:48
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Some of them visit porn sites in IEMar 10 07:48
Ender2070usallyMar 10 07:48
DaemonFC:)Mar 10 07:48
Diablo-D3actuallyMar 10 07:48
Ender2070i was about to ad thatMar 10 07:48
Ender2070addMar 10 07:49
Ender2070man im tierdMar 10 07:49
Ender2070tiredMar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3a lot of stealth sites do viruses via msieMar 10 07:49
Ender2070lolMar 10 07:49
sebsebsebDaemonFC: probably not her son, just yetMar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3they look legit and have high google rankingsMar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3and then theres the problem with flash ads fucking your shit upMar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3or bad pdfsMar 10 07:49
DaemonFCsebsebseb, If he's over 14, it's 50/50 porn and warezMar 10 07:49
Ender2070sebsebseb - if hes older than 10 its plausableMar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3ohMar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3and then theres remote exploitsMar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3windows used to have quite a fewMar 10 07:50
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: remote explotis remind me what that is?  I guess I knew or did I hrmMar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3if you wernt behind a NAT or a hardware firewall, people could just fuck your shit up remotelyMar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: see aboveMar 10 07:51
Ender2070sebsebseb - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7361181/Extra-small-condoms-for-12-year-old-boys-go-on-sale-in-Switzerland.htmlMar 10 07:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Extra small condoms for 12 year-old boys go on sale in Switzerland  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 50.77 KBMar 10 07:51
Diablo-D3Ender2070: you know what we call those in the US? finger cots.Mar 10 07:51
Ender2070lolMar 10 07:51
DaemonFCEnder2070, They *do* know that Michael Jackson is deadMar 10 07:51
DaemonFCright?Mar 10 07:51
Diablo-D3yeah, but the Pope isntMar 10 07:52
Ender2070if 12-14 year olds are doing it, how many are wanking it to internet pornMar 10 07:52
Diablo-D3dohohohohohohoMar 10 07:52
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, burnMar 10 07:52
DaemonFClolMar 10 07:52
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, Robin Williams talking about Henry VIII Mar 10 07:53
DaemonFC"I'm the fuckin' Pope now, HAR HAR HAR!!!!!"Mar 10 07:53
Diablo-D3robin williams talking about anythingMar 10 07:53
Diablo-D3"IM HIGH ON CRACK"Mar 10 07:53
Ender2070DaemonFC - remember I was mentioning our refugees/asylum system?Mar 10 07:55
Ender2070http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/as-countries-shut-out-migrants-canada-warned-it-will-become-the-new-safe-harbour/article1402019/Mar 10 07:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: As countries shut out migrants, Canada warned it will become the new safe harbour - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 90.77 KBMar 10 07:55
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DaemonFCEnder2070, ShotgunsMar 10 07:55
Diablo-D3shoguns?Mar 10 07:55
Diablo-D3sweeeeetMar 10 07:56
DaemonFCYou form a group to patrol the borderMar 10 07:56
*Diablo-D3 gets his swordMar 10 07:56
DaemonFCgive them shotgunsMar 10 07:56
*Diablo-D3 and his axe.Mar 10 07:56
DaemonFCNaw, they're flying the Haitians in so that won't workMar 10 07:56
Ender2070""This is something we have to take very seriously ... We can't allow the creation of a two-tier immigration system: one tier for people who wait patiently and legally in the queue to come to Canada and another for profiteers, for those who engage the services of snakeheads and human trafficking groups." "Mar 10 07:57
DaemonFCit might stop the American refugees after the big corporations finish bleeding us dry and there's no standard of living here anymore for anyone but themMar 10 07:57
DaemonFCbut you're getting there tooMar 10 07:57
DaemonFCso maybe we can all just meld into one big Mexico after allMar 10 07:57
Diablo-D3hehMar 10 07:58
Ender2070we're not as badly in debt as you guys areMar 10 07:58
DaemonFCand that can be your NAUMar 10 07:58
Ender2070its too soon for thatMar 10 07:58
Ender2070they need a generation of people here that are used to the concept of the EU firstMar 10 07:59
DaemonFCWelcome to the North American Union, One big happy Mexico.Mar 10 07:59
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 07:59
Ender2070http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.htmlMar 10 08:02
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DaemonFCEnder2070, I thought they would burn that woman's house downMar 10 08:11
DaemonFCI would haveMar 10 08:11
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DaemonFCheh Dirty Harry: "You forgot your fortune cookie...it says you're shit out of luck!" *bang*Mar 10 08:14
DaemonFC:)Mar 10 08:14
Ender2070yes!Mar 10 08:15
Ender2070orMar 10 08:15
Ender2070"How about I make my own dead pool and put your name on it"Mar 10 08:15
DaemonFCEnder2070, Clint Eastwood fan?Mar 10 08:21
DaemonFC:)Mar 10 08:21
Ender2070yeahMar 10 08:22
DaemonFCRemember the C&C game where you get Flint Westwood as a playable unit?Mar 10 08:22
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 08:22
Ender2070Red Alert 2 Yuri's RevenegeMar 10 08:23
Ender2070same with Sammy Stallion and Arnie FrankfurterMar 10 08:23
DaemonFChttp://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Flint_WestwoodMar 10 08:24
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DaemonFCI liked GeneralsMar 10 08:27
DaemonFCI know it got mixed reviews thoughMar 10 08:27
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DaemonFCruns well in WineMar 10 08:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: Lawyer Takeover, Failed Reform, and Policy Laundering With #ACTA http://ur1.ca/p0q6Mar 10 08:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Software patent troll nominated by the EPO for lifetime achievement, saving trees has probably a technical effect: http://i5.be/aAsMar 10 08:41
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Ender2070generals was okayMar 10 08:44
Ender2070http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Arnie_FrankenfurterMar 10 08:46
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DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8557144.stmMar 10 08:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 88.97 KBMar 10 08:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dad is awake and vaguely coherent! Likely to fly out to Perth Sunday evening or Monday morning.Mar 10 09:07
DaemonFChttp://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1632715554.htmlMar 10 09:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Ballmer on OpenOffice: "We’re happy to get you under license" or "We’ll go away if you pay us a royalty for every download" http://i5.be/aAtMar 10 09:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Good Artists Copy, Great Artists Steal « What I Couldn't Say& .::. Size~: 123.95 KBMar 10 09:19
tessier__DaemonFC: That your imac?Mar 10 09:19
DaemonFCnoMar 10 09:19
DaemonFCthe hoarder in me says take itMar 10 09:19
Ender2070lolMar 10 09:27
Ender2070Steve Jobs used to think of IBM as big brotherMar 10 09:27
Ender2070he was obsessedMar 10 09:27
Ender2070its a shame he became just like themMar 10 09:27
Ender2070(big brother)Mar 10 09:28
Ender2070while IBM has changed for the betterMar 10 09:28
DaemonFChmmm, high of 62 todayMar 10 09:30
DaemonFCniceMar 10 09:30
DaemonFCmight open the windows, get a little air circulating in hereMar 10 09:30
jweyrichanyone got gcc-4.4.2 working on osx10.6.2?Mar 10 09:31
Ender2070probably the wrong place to askMar 10 09:33
jweyrichs/probably/very likely/ .. but was just wondering.Mar 10 09:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and Insecurity: Vulnerabilities, Botnets, and a Whole Lot of Nerve http://bit.ly/bk5hJaMar 10 09:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] DeGucht won't give the ACTA drafts to the Parliament (part 1 of 2) http://i5.be/aAvMar 10 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] DeGucht won't give the ACTA drafts to the European Parliament (part 2 of 2) http://i5.be/aAwMar 10 09:45
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oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/mozilla-borrows-from-webkit-to-build-fast-new-js-engine.ars  InterestingMar 10 09:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mozilla borrows from WebKit to build fast new JS engine .::. Size~: 28.15 KBMar 10 09:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] machine digs big hole http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMgDu73FyioMar 10 09:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Extortionists with Software Patents http://ur1.ca/p16z personal role in racketeering is revealedMar 10 10:14
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Ender2070LOLMar 10 10:14
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43509#comment-13108 "I think it's a positive thing. Anyway, Steam/Valve may be coming to Linux soon."Mar 10 10:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Versions Of Grubby Games Discontinued | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 32.06 KBMar 10 10:16
DaemonFCROFL @ JägerMonkeyMar 10 10:16
schestowitz"But he's a good person, he has loads of money........!!"Mar 10 10:16
DaemonFCHunter monkey?Mar 10 10:16
DaemonFCas in a predatory monkey?Mar 10 10:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm glad they're doing thisMar 10 10:18
DaemonFCenough re-inventing the wheel goes on in FOSS as-isMar 10 10:18
DaemonFCtoo proud to reuse existing code that already works fine, so they spend months or years doing a complete rewrite for themselves or somethingMar 10 10:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, Microsoft would really be in trouble if instead of coming up with 10 different desktop environments, EVERYONE worked on KDE, and this kind of thing was the normMar 10 10:20
DaemonFCit kind of limits the desktop when efforts are duplicated like thisMar 10 10:21
oiaohmDaemonFC: sometimes the duplication of effort has been good.Mar 10 10:22
oiaohmLot of ideas that in theory looked to work fine when built turned out to be stupid.Mar 10 10:22
DaemonFCKDE could have been years ahead and there would be no Mono if the FSF hadn't started GNOMEMar 10 10:22
oiaohmLike the wm that allways full sized the main window.Mar 10 10:23
oiaohmAnd had no windows as such.Mar 10 10:23
DaemonFCnow GNOME wants to revolt, overthrow the FSF, and go reimplement Microsoft stuff in their desktopMar 10 10:23
oiaohmReally turned out to harm usage.Mar 10 10:23
DaemonFCoiaohm, You're telling me that this coup is turning out for the better?Mar 10 10:24
oiaohmThere is a split in the Gnome ranks themselves.Mar 10 10:24
oiaohmResults of the Gnome implementing Mono stuff has caused some of the back end developers of gnome to work hand and hand with the KDE ones.Mar 10 10:24
oiaohmSo not all bad has come from it DaemonFCMar 10 10:25
DaemonFCWhat material assistance is the FSF giving GNOME?Mar 10 10:25
DaemonFCWhat does GNOME lose if they leave?Mar 10 10:25
oiaohmRemember most of the back end in CMar 10 10:26
oiaohmYou lose those developers you lose the maintaince  on those backends.Mar 10 10:27
oiaohmWhat basically means the complete deck of cards of Gnome could come down.Mar 10 10:27
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/just-what-you-see-the-story-behind-the-45-long-slide-laser-siting.arsMar 10 10:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: True story: the making of the Terminator's laser-sighted .45 pistol .::. Size~: 31.36 KBMar 10 10:27
Ender2070oiaohm - and a disturbing fact, some mono developers think C is too hardMar 10 10:28
Ender2070garbage collection, oh noesMar 10 10:29
oiaohmYep Ender2070 got it in one.Mar 10 10:29
oiaohmIf all you have is .net developers Gnome is dead man walking.Mar 10 10:29
Ender2070unless they replace those parts with c# onesMar 10 10:29
Ender2070but then you got Gnome7Mar 10 10:30
schestowitz"This article is from MICROSOFT ... For those who don't know who the author is...." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43735#comment-13109Mar 10 10:30
oiaohmAt some point you still have to interface with the OS.Mar 10 10:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux on the desktop: Still not happening | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 31.31 KBMar 10 10:30
Ender2070bloated, using 1.28gb of ram, etcMar 10 10:30
schestowitzHeh.Mar 10 10:30
oiaohmThe OS is C so you are kinda screwed.  Ender2070Mar 10 10:30
oiaohmIe OS does not respect mono garbage collection.Mar 10 10:31
Ender2070do they need the OS if they use abstraction layersMar 10 10:31
oiaohmBasically if they think C is too hard working on Linux making a desktop is too hard so get lost.Mar 10 10:31
oiaohmSomeone still has to make the abstraction layersMar 10 10:32
oiaohmSo someone still has to understand CMar 10 10:32
oiaohmIf the OS core is CMar 10 10:32
Ender2070some of the mono developers code on windowsMar 10 10:32
Diablo-D3C is hard?!Mar 10 10:32
Diablo-D3since when?>!Mar 10 10:32
oiaohmC++ coders might hate C but they can use it if they have to.Mar 10 10:32
Diablo-D3C++ coders are utter faggotsMar 10 10:33
Diablo-D3and get gtfo my osMar 10 10:33
*Ender2070 hits Diablo-D3 with a C++/Qt framework bookMar 10 10:33
oiaohm.net coders are trained that garbage collection will solve everything.Mar 10 10:33
oiaohmSo they end up with object leaks eating the hell out of ram.Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3Ender2070: qt is shitMar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3oiaohm: wellMar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3it does sole everythingMar 10 10:34
oiaohmC++ coders do still know how to use C primitives like malloc and free when it suitable.Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3problem is you have to use a well designed languageMar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3c#/.net was cargo culted from javaMar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3so theres a lot of weird cruft in c#/.net that doesnt make any senseMar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3and causes memory leaks because no one understands itMar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3and instead of just writing it with sane codeMar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3microsoft goes bankrupt isteadMar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3which In totally fine withMar 10 10:35
oiaohmProblem of too thick of wrappers as well.  Diablo-D3Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3oiaohm: except you shouldnt wrap thingsMar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3thats a .net thing, to wrap shitMar 10 10:36
oiaohmIe .net coders don't normally see what the interface layers to the Os are really doing.Mar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3java coders tend to have pure java impls for things that arent systemMar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3thats the big difference between c# and javaMar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3c# coders steal, java coders do it themselves right the first time.Mar 10 10:36
oiaohmAfter java coders got many years under there belt and learn from there mistakes.  Diablo-D3Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3oiaohm: except that argument is uselessMar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3c# coders cant have years under their belt because c# is new!Mar 10 10:37
oiaohmEarly java coders made equal mistakes as .net ones do now.   Diablo-D3Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3it still has the new car smell!Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3oiaohm: not really noMar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3due to the fact that doesnt exist anymoreMar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3java has everything you could possibly want already madeMar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3everything.Mar 10 10:37
oiaohmjini interface creating platform links Diablo-D3Mar 10 10:38
oiaohmIt still exists.Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3oiaohm: I notice you didnt hear a word I said.Mar 10 10:38
oiaohmBut Java coders have learnt to use it wiser.Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3Everything you could possibly want to do has already been done in Java.Mar 10 10:38
Ender2070theres a patent on trollingMar 10 10:38
Ender2070http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220080270152%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080270152&RS=DN/20080270152Mar 10 10:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 200 Script results follow .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 10 10:38
Ender2070oopsMar 10 10:38
Ender2070http://ow.ly/1ghNrMar 10 10:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220080270152%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080270152&RS=DN/20080270152 .::. Size~: 4.22 KBMar 10 10:38
oiaohmNot everything.Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3EverythingMar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3all you have to do now is just glue the right jars togetherMar 10 10:39
oiaohmAlmost everything.  Diablo-D3Mar 10 10:43
oiaohmnvidia cuda Diablo-D3Mar 10 10:43
oiaohmYes there are still a few minor conner area not covered.  Diablo-D3 Yes I know they are small.Mar 10 10:43
oiaohmcuda is still a third party wrapper for javaMar 10 10:43
Diablo-D3oiaohm: well noMar 10 10:46
Diablo-D3opengl and opencl are considered OS librariesMar 10 10:46
Diablo-D3thus thats a legitimate thing to wrapMar 10 10:46
oiaohmJust think want you just typed.   There are limitations to what will and will not be wrapped.  So there are gaps.   That is why its almost everything not everything.Mar 10 10:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I'm testing Ubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 latest nightly build. Nuveau driver makes screen look "distorted". But still impressed.Mar 10 10:53
DaemonFChttp://www.cultofmac.com/ubuntu-smartens-up-takes-some-cues-from-mac-os-x/32532Mar 10 10:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Ubuntu Smartens Up, Takes Some Cues From Mac OS X | Cult of Mac .::. Size~: 37.97 KBMar 10 10:54
DaemonFCCult of Mac is now praising UbuntuMar 10 10:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] On Kubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 I could change the settings using KDE settings, in the Gnome version I can' t.Mar 10 10:57
DaemonFChttps://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/377895/46dc4fe20087d9f6/Mar 10 10:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 4K-sector drives and Linux [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 20.53 KBMar 10 10:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos: Peter Landrock on His #SoftwarePatent and DeGucht Defending #ACTA http://ur1.ca/p1di #euMar 10 10:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Videos: Peter Landrock on His Software Patent and DeGucht Defending ACTA | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 85.77 KBMar 10 10:59
schestowitzzoobab_: thanksMar 10 10:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst On Kubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 I could change the settings using KDE settings, in the Gnome version I can' t.Mar 10 11:01
DaemonFCwhat was that about?Mar 10 11:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament publishing information in patented and proprietary formats: Microsoft DOC, Apple MP4, Microsoft WMV http://i5.be/aAyMar 10 11:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Séance en direct > Preceding debates .::. Size~: 1793.79 KBMar 10 11:03
DaemonFCthose aren't proprietary, they're "industry standards"!Mar 10 11:04
DaemonFC:DMar 10 11:04
oiaohm4k sector sizes are a real headache.Mar 10 11:09
DaemonFCoiaohm, I don't know why they thought it was a good ideaMar 10 11:09
oiaohmReally it would be nice if 4k drives just would number 1 not be bootable on old hardware like 120 GB PATA was not.Mar 10 11:09
oiaohmNumber 2 would truly display the OS 4 k sectors.Mar 10 11:10
DaemonFCno reason to do thisMar 10 11:10
oiaohmInstead of mapping 512 over the top and causing the complete bloody mess of miss alignment.Mar 10 11:10
DaemonFCeveryone will be using SSDs in 5 years or soMar 10 11:10
oiaohmThere are reasons.Mar 10 11:10
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: noMar 10 11:11
Diablo-D3the transition will happen in 5 yearsMar 10 11:11
Diablo-D3everyone will be using ssd in 10.Mar 10 11:11
DaemonFCmapping 512 byte sectors over the physical 4k sectors just to benefit a 9 year old version of WindowsMar 10 11:11
DaemonFC:PMar 10 11:11
oiaohm4 kb sectors reduce number of sectors OS has to deal with.Mar 10 11:12
oiaohmSame with drive.Mar 10 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone else using 3G on #ubuntu #lucid seeing bug 535641? http://bit.ly/a7eHsV If so, pls confirm.Mar 10 11:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bug #535641 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu): “'Last used' date is not correct.” .::. Size~: 35.47 KBMar 10 11:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [1/10] http://i5.be/aAzMar 10 11:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [1/10] .::. Size~: 88.77 KBMar 10 11:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [2/10] http://i5.be/aAAMar 10 11:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [3/10] http://i5.be/aABMar 10 11:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [3/10] .::. Size~: 61.19 KBMar 10 11:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [4/10] http://i5.be/aACMar 10 11:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [4/10] .::. Size~: 88.36 KBMar 10 11:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [5/10] http://i5.be/aADMar 10 11:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [6/10] http://i5.be/aAEMar 10 11:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [8/10] http://i5.be/aAGMar 10 11:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [9/10] http://i5.be/aAHMar 10 11:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [10/10] http://i5.be/aAIMar 10 11:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ivanka Majic (Canonical Design Team Lead) responds to comments about button placement in #ubuntu #lucid http://bit.ly/dhi50wMar 10 11:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [9/10] .::. Size~: 88.51 KBMar 10 11:25
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Those pesky buttons .::. Size~: 36.74 KBMar 10 11:25
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oiaohmhttp://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_14641849  Boy SCO is trying every trick.Mar 10 11:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Attorney: IBM-Novell worked together to hurt SCO - Salt Lake Tribune .::. Size~: 54.47 KBMar 10 11:32
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schestowitzHmmmmmmmm........ http://www.the-source.com/2010/03/gpl-endrun-value-added-binaries/Mar 10 11:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GPL Endrun: Value-Added Binaries .::. Size~: 28.59 KBMar 10 11:35
oiaohmhttp://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/  Very interesting read from X sun about MS actions.  schestowitzMar 10 11:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  What I Couldn't Say& .::. Size~: 83.71 KBMar 10 11:36
schestowitzoiaohm: it's already mentioned in BNMar 10 11:37
schestowitzSiim shills for ACTAMar 10 11:38
schestowitzWhat a surprise. NOT.Mar 10 11:38
oiaohmThat hardered binaries idea is dead man walking. schestowitzMar 10 11:41
oiaohmThey will have to think of something way better.  Since main reason gcc cannot do it now is lack of link time optimisation.Mar 10 11:41
oiaohmComplier enhancement idea was behind the sales of pgroup compliers.Mar 10 11:42
oiaohmSo value added binaries is not even new.  But what you can do now and be head of gcc and other open source compliers is dropping.Mar 10 11:43
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/03/09/197226/Cisco-Introduces-a-322-Tbitsec-RouterMar 10 11:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | Cisco Introduces a 322 Tbit/sec. Router .::. Size~: 155.77 KBMar 10 11:50
schestowitz" (Or you could pump nearly one Library of Congress per second through the device, or give everyone in San Fransisco a 1Gbps internet connection.)"Mar 10 11:50
schestowitzhttp://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/where-dijkstra-went-wrong-the-value-of-basic-as-a-first-programming-language/Mar 10 11:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Where Dijkstra went wrong: the value of BASIC as a first programming language «  The Reinvigorated Programmer .::. Size~: 55.29 KBMar 10 11:51
schestowitzThankfully no pretence about Microsoft having something to do with itMar 10 11:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] European Parliament unites against 3 strikes, ACTA secrecy http://bit.ly/cdRcESMar 10 11:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: European Parliament unites against 3 strikes, ACTA secrecy .::. Size~: 28.2 KBMar 10 11:52
schestowitzSlashdot is still abused http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1576944&cid=31422582Mar 10 11:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Comments | Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 38.27 KBMar 10 11:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] In January, Apple launched a series of C-Level discussions with handset makers to underscore its patents infringed: http://i5.be/aAKMar 10 11:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Apple talks tough to handset makers - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Brainstorm Tech .::. Size~: 98.49 KBMar 10 11:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament's ACTA resolution adopted, 663 MEPs against 13: http://i5.be/aALMar 10 12:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: European Parliament strongly opposes ACTA's democratic deficit | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 25.95 KBMar 10 12:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] SWIFT now, ACTA next: http://i5.be/aAMMar 10 12:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Debate Europe &bull; View topic - SWIFT now, ACTA next .::. Size~: 41.87 KBMar 10 12:05
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1576944&cid=31423618Mar 10 12:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Comments | Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 33.31 KBMar 10 12:08
schestowitzNice, Jeremy Allison defends usMar 10 12:17
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1576944&cid=31422956Mar 10 12:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Comments | Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 37.56 KBMar 10 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Jeremy, but what's your stance on Google's software patents? http://i5.be/aANMar 10 12:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Comments | Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 33.54 KBMar 10 12:21
schestowitzzoobab_: I saw that tooMar 10 12:22
schestowitzAttack the messengerMar 10 12:22
schestowitzBecause of his employerMar 10 12:22
schestowitzThere are two comments like thisMar 10 12:22
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/software-patents-policy-google/Mar 10 12:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wakeup Call to Google, Regarding Software Patents | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.01 KBMar 10 12:23
schestowitzhttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/11662.htmlMar 10 12:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu Lucid gets social .::. Size~: 36.88 KBMar 10 12:23
MinceRgeekingsMar 10 12:24
schestowitzhttp://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Google-Summer-of-Code-2010-in-Starting-BlocksMar 10 12:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Summer of Code 2010 in Starting Blocks - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 30.57 KBMar 10 12:24
schestowitzhttp://www.tech-no-media.com/2010/03/why-online-ressources-are-not-free-and.htmlMar 10 12:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech-no-media: Why online resources are not free and ChromeOS will fail .::. Size~: 94.11 KBMar 10 12:25
schestowitzzoobab_: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1595446/blu-ray-licensing-cartel-starts-operationMar 10 12:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                     Blu-ray licensing cartel starts operation  - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 67.29 KBMar 10 12:25
schestowitz"Interested parties are also free to negotiate separate license agreements, rather than taking a single portfolio license, with each of the four companies, which have committed to provide such licenses for their respective essential patents under fair, reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms and conditions., the outfit said."Mar 10 12:26
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100305/0137448428.shtmlMar 10 12:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Patent Reform Bill Released: More Of The Same | Techdirt .::. Size~: 124.7 KBMar 10 12:27
schestowitzThis is nice: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2009/12/28/the-cult-of-originality/Mar 10 12:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Cult of Originality « Nina Paleys Blog .::. Size~: 75.5 KBMar 10 12:28
oiaohmhttp://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/03/08/designing-secure-linux/  Boy do people miss the basices or what.  If CPU is not secure does not matter what you put above it. Mar 10 12:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: etbe - Russell Coker .::. Size~: 93.79 KBMar 10 12:30
schestowitz"Mar 10 12:33
schestowitzSchneier on SecurityMar 10 12:34
schestowitzA blog covering security and security technology.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz« Google in The Onion | Main | Marc Rotenberg on Google's Italian Privacy Case »Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzMarch 9, 2010Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzGuide to Microsoft Police Forensic ServicesMar 10 12:34
schestowitzThe "Microsoft Online Services Global Criminal Compliance Handbook (U.S. Domestic Version)" (also can be found here, here, and here) outlines exactly what Microsoft will do upon police request. Here's a good summary of what's in it:Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz    The Global Criminal Compliance Handbook is a quasi-comprehensive explanatory document meant for law enforcement officials seeking access to Microsoft's stored user information. It also provides sample language for subpoenas and diagrams on how to understand server logs.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz    I call it "quasi-comprehensive" because, at a mere 22 pages, it doesn't explore the nitty-gritty of Microsoft's systems; it's more like a data-hunting guide for dummies.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzWhen it was first leaked, Microsoft tried to scrub it from the Internet. But they quickly realized that it was futile and relented.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzLots more information.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted on March 9, 2010 at 6:59 AM • 9 CommentsMar 10 12:34
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schestowitzI'd like to see such a document from each ISP or online service provider. Essentially for transparency sake.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted by: Markus at March 9, 2010 7:56 AMMar 10 12:34
schestowitzIs it me (and it might be ;) but the document reads like a "how to find your suspect guilty" document.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzThat is it is unbalanced in a way that would be unacceptable in an "expert witness" in court.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzWhen I first read it I was not surprised MS wanted to surpress it...Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted by: Clive Robinson at March 9, 2010 8:12 AMMar 10 12:34
schestowitzah yes, "Expert witness" who is that exactly again?Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzI've been involved in a few legal discoveries mostly business contract related, but one fbi related.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzThere is no standard, no process, no clear line of responsibility.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzI was personally involved in a MS HR adventure that led to my own release(really a long ago and silly story) from MS. The end all of it is the electronic information is gathered to match whatever the gatherer is looking for and very little to no information is needed to take action.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted by: Adam at March 9, 2010 9:22 AMMar 10 12:34
schestowitz@ Adam,Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzAn "expert witness" is in theory (in the UK) one who is alowed to give "opinion" which is technicaly hearsay and would not normally be alowed in a criminal case (civil/tort law is unto it's self these days).Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzIn return they are supposed to "represent the court" (not either side) and bring impartial clarity to the court.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzHowever "he who pays the piper" etc., etc.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzI gather in the US the current little legal earner is electronic discovery, which whilst enriching the legal fraternity (especialy the judges) usually achives little of consiquence relating to the actual case. But can bankrupt one side or the other hence it's used as a "Goliath attack".Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted by: Clive Robinson at March 9, 2010 10:07 AMMar 10 12:34
schestowitz@Adam "There is no standard, no process, no clear line of responsibility"Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzWell sure. We're still making it up as we go along and each company starts over again when it first comes up. Add to that that the law is inherently messy, uses natural language, and defines variables like "reasonable person" as a standard.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz@Clive "technicaly hearsay"Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzOh. I thought at first you said 'technical hearsay'. Kinda like the sound of that.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzWhile MS has relented and cryptome.org was restored by thier ISP from MS takedown order. Paypal has frozen thier account with what ever money they have on the pipe.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted by: BF Skinner at March 9, 2010 10:47 AMMar 10 12:34
schestowitzReally, is anyone surprised by the data that they can gather? Heck, the users give the data to them, and all of it is data that would be gathered by any provider of similar services. I'm sure Google keeps the same sort of data, and Apple, and Sony (with regards to consoles) and etc.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzIf a law enforcement agency has the appropriate subpoena or warrant, then MS has a choice to either "provide a way for law enforcement to collect it, in such a way that protects every other user of the service from undue scrutiny or "let law enforcement walk in, take the servers, and screw everyone"Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzAnd if you think that law enforcement agents won't do the latter if you refuse to give them the former, then I've got a bridge to sell you. Great view of Brooklyn.Mar 10 12:34
schestowitzPosted by: wiredog at March 9, 2010 11:12 AMMar 10 12:34
schestowitz@wiredogMar 10 12:35
schestowitzInformed consent should mean more than "we put a link on our webpage and if people don't read or understand what they read that's not our problem. We've met our due diligiance obligation."Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzAnd of course there are the times when companies withhold info (anyone drive a prius?) that is necessary for making an informed decision.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzPosted by: BF Skinner at March 9, 2010 1:21 PMMar 10 12:35
schestowitz@BF Skinner 100% agreeMar 10 12:35
schestowitzI afraid the real problem is everyday people not understanding technology.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzThe average person would protest in the streets the widespread searching of houses, but the widespread searching of private emailboxes doesn't even raise their blood pressure.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzI bet with the security focus of this website all the comments are being recorded by someone/agency if not 10.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzPosted by: Adam at March 9, 2010 1:25 PMMar 10 12:35
schestowitzI think I at first mis-read that the title asMar 10 12:35
schestowitzbeing a a book to show Global CriminalsMar 10 12:35
schestowitzhow they might comply with,Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzor at the very least evade,Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzthe long arm of John Law.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzBut Microsoft would never do that, would they?Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzTut-tut, of course not.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzPosted by: AA Aaronson at March 9, 2010 9:14 PMMar 10 12:35
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schestowitzPowered by Movable Type. Photo at top by Steve Woit.Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzSchneier.com is a personal website. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of BT. Mar 10 12:35
schestowitzBIG OOPS. It highlighted the WHOLE page. Sorry about that!!Mar 10 12:35
Diablo-D3argh!Mar 10 12:38
Diablo-D3roy!Mar 10 12:38
Diablo-D3schestowitz: next time leave the channelMar 10 12:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How HTML5 differs from HTML4 : http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/Mar 10 12:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HTML5 differences from HTML4 .::. Size~: 72.07 KBMar 10 12:39
MinceRor if you're using irssi, use /server purgeMar 10 12:39
schestowitzI thought about itMar 10 12:45
schestowitzI reckoned it posts all the stuff before it appearsMar 10 12:45
Diablo-D3schestowitz: noMar 10 12:46
Diablo-D3it takes awhileMar 10 12:46
Diablo-D3that took several minutesMar 10 12:46
schestowitzDid you guys read http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/facebooks-beginnings-likely-shaped-its-privacy-policies/?cs=39859Mar 10 12:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Facebook's Beginnings Likely Shaped Its Privacy Policies | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 75.76 KBMar 10 12:46
schestowitz"In Nicholas Carlson's piece, he tells the "full story" of Facebook's beginning. He starts with the initial conversations Harvard sophomore Zuckerberg had with the trio of seniors who wanted him to code for a new Web site they wanted to start, called HarvardConnection. Then, complete with instant messages and e-mails that have not been made public until now, he outlines how Zuckerberg appears to have decided to create his own site -- Mar 10 12:46
schestowitzthefacebook.com -- but not to tell the HarvardConnection founders he wasn't working on their project until his was almost finished."Mar 10 12:46
schestowitzHe sounds like quite a snakeMar 10 12:46
schestowitzMaybe there *is* some similarity to BillG after allMar 10 12:46
schestowitzStarting their career by taking other people's workMar 10 12:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft battles an alleged patent troll, for automatic VPN http://i5.be/aAOMar 10 12:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                     Microsoft battles an alleged patent troll  - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 56.8 KBMar 10 12:47
schestowitzHeh. "SOFTWARE BULLY Microsoft threw...."Mar 10 12:47
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/10244976946Mar 10 12:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: Bingo! Microsoft’s Search  ... .::. Size~: 10.12 KBMar 10 12:49
schestowitzThey are BUYING market shareMar 10 12:49
schestowitzAnd using regulatorsMar 10 12:49
schestowitzIt says "Bingo", like MinceRMar 10 12:49
schestowitzBingo is more or less randomMar 10 12:49
schestowitzMicrosoft just serves its own 'numbers' (warped results)Mar 10 12:50
schestowitzRandom results (Bingo) would trump BongMar 10 12:50
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7397846/Kings-Cross-to-Beijing-in-two-days-on-new-high-speed-rail-network.htmlMar 10 12:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: King's Cross to Beijing in two days on new high-speed rail network  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 56.12 KBMar 10 12:51
schestowitzThere's McDonalds in China too *Sigh*Mar 10 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab DeGucht tries to keep the European Parliament happy on ACTA: http://i5.be/aAi #cronyism #acta #backdoorMar 10 12:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Answer to a written question - The ACTA negotiations - P-0090/2010 .::. Size~: 12.83 KBMar 10 12:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] You just need one country to make ACTA blow, and transform it into a SWIFT2 rejection.Mar 10 12:56
oiaohmHmm there is a big problem with the novell case.  http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100309181439569  Unix trademark was not offically Novell's at the time to transfer.Mar 10 13:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Groklaw - Day 2 of the SCO v. Novell Trial -  Opening argument - Updated  Repeatedly - 1st Witness, Frankenberg .::. Size~: 189.72 KBMar 10 13:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] should you use ad-blockers or not? http://bit.ly/9Uvg1MMar 10 13:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Ad Blocking is devastating to the sites you love .::. Size~: 34.32 KBMar 10 13:02
schestowitzzoobab_: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fregeringen.se%2Fsb%2Fa%2F141047&sl=sv&tl=enMar 10 13:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Translate .::. Size~: 0.89 KBMar 10 13:02
zoobab_in any case, we are at the end of the negotiationsMar 10 13:03
zoobab_so disclosure does not matter so muchMar 10 13:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab thus the secrecy?Mar 10 13:04
schestowitzzoobab_: NZ is against it alsoMar 10 13:05
schestowitzThey'll probably pull a trick like Econoy BillMar 10 13:05
schestowitzCHange some stuffMar 10 13:05
schestowitzThen pretend to have done us a favourMar 10 13:05
schestowitz"Look, it's so much better than the original, so now say 'yes'"Mar 10 13:06
schestowitzIt's the approach of telling someone "I'll kill you", then saying "I'll spare your life, just pay me 50 quid"Mar 10 13:06
MinceRi could make it even better than the changed version, all i need is a lighterMar 10 13:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @GlynMoody In case we *do* get a draft of ACTA, the question we need to think about now is: how should we use it to best advantage? #ACTAMar 10 13:08
schestowitzhttp://mashable.com/2010/03/05/youtube-revenue-2010/Mar 10 13:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube Revenue Approaching $1 Billion Per Year [REPORT] .::. Size~: 80.71 KBMar 10 13:13
schestowitzHow do they make money?Mar 10 13:13
schestowitzI've watched over 30k videos there, no adsMar 10 13:13
schestowitzhttp://webworkerdaily.com/2010/03/05/rapportive-gmail-crm/Mar 10 13:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rapportive Makes Gmail More Useful  WebWorkerDaily .::. Size~: 70.59 KBMar 10 13:14
schestowitzWhy use gmail at all?Mar 10 13:14
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Hardware-attack-on-RSA-implementation-947726.htmlMar 10 13:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hardware attack on RSA implementation - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.68 KBMar 10 13:14
schestowitzThis one neglects to mention how Microsoft subverted the Web: http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/03/interview_paul_cotton_on_micro.htmlMar 10 13:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Interview: Paul Cotton on Microsoft Participation in the W3C HTML Working Group - W3C Blog .::. Size~: 21.8 KBMar 10 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] 99% of the reason for a company to have patents is so they can amicably trade no-cost licensing with other companies http://i5.be/aAPMar 10 13:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Technology Chronicles  : Former Sun CEO Schwartz dishes on patent fights with Jobs, Gates .::. Size~: 53.83 KBMar 10 13:17
oiaohmschestowitz:  Read carefully http://www.unix.org/backgrounder.html  Notice the trademark was transfered from Novell to what has become the open group today in 1994.   Yet Novell then sold that item again by what I am reading the the court case to SCO in 1995Mar 10 13:19
oiaohmNice case of fraudulent sale.  Ie selling what you don't own any more.  schestowitzMar 10 13:19
schestowitzhttp://www.remail.com/blog/posts/170028Mar 10 13:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: reMail Blog - reMail is now Open Source .::. Size~: 5.9 KBMar 10 13:26
schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-buys-docverse-for-reported-25-million/Mar 10 13:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Buys DocVerse For Reported $25 Million| paidContent .::. Size~: 25.8 KBMar 10 13:27
schestowitzhttp://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/03/07/dogoods-dogooder-plugin-lets-charitable-browsing-web/Mar 10 13:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   DoGood Replaces The Webs Evil Ads with Good Ads .::. Size~: 35.48 KBMar 10 13:33
schestowitzoiaohm: I am not sufficiently familiar with it to be worth an opinionMar 10 13:34
schestowitzGroklaw ought to know better, with all its UNIX buffsMar 10 13:35
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGiPjIE1pEMar 10 13:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The Listening Post - The 'hearts and minds' of Operation Moshtarak - Part 2 .::. Size~: 113.88 KBMar 10 13:36
oiaohmThe transfer happened after the loss of the Novell vs BSD case.  1994Mar 10 13:36
oiaohmFor NovellMar 10 13:36
oiaohmI am supprised SCO has not pushed that angle.Mar 10 13:36
oiaohmSince its proff of a deceptive contract.Mar 10 13:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's "browse with confidence" motto is Greenwashing PR (headsup @glynmoody )Mar 10 13:47
schestowitzhttp://www.transparentuptime.com/Mar 10 13:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Transparent Uptime .::. Size~: 118.59 KBMar 10 13:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Booting an Ubuntu ISO in qemu on a 900Mhz celeron netbook is slooooow. #unsurprisingMar 10 13:57
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/10188544339 "one-star reviews for Assassin's Creed II for Windows on Amazon - http://bit.ly/ayTavz you don't think people might find that DRM annoying?"Mar 10 13:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Glyn Moody: one-star reviews for Assas ... .::. Size~: 10.35 KBMar 10 13:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Assassin's Creed II (PC): Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games .::. Size~: 398.53 KBMar 10 13:57
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Will__Here's something kinda funny>  You know how Dell always "recommends Windows"?  It extends to games as well.Mar 10 14:00
Will__Try to buy a PS3 game from them, and they recommend an Xbox 360 console as an "Essential Add-On".Mar 10 14:01
Will__Hmmm.Mar 10 14:01
schestowitzhttp://www.avaaz.org/en/no_more_bloody_ivory/97.php?cl_tta_sign=24678a28caff79d277db273b2d86fc31Mar 10 14:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Save the Elephants: STOP BLOODY IVORY .::. Size~: 60.37 KBMar 10 14:05
schestowitzHey, Will__Mar 10 14:05
schestowitzWill__: from Dell?Mar 10 14:05
schestowitzOr games?Mar 10 14:05
schestowitzOh, nmMar 10 14:06
schestowitzI read too fastMar 10 14:06
schestowitzI want you to check something out....Mar 10 14:06
schestowitzhttp://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://howsoftwareisbuilt.comMar 10 14:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Site report for howsoftwareisbuilt.com .::. Size~: 7.92 KBMar 10 14:07
schestowitz"How Software is Built is sponsored by Microsoft Corp. "Mar 10 14:07
Will__uses Linux/Apache... I'm guessing Akamai there.Mar 10 14:08
Will__schestowitz: btw, I hadn't been paying attention before your articles, but now I've been seeing a lot of the stuff you said about stores and the Xbox.Mar 10 14:09
Will__At a Wal-mart I go to, I've seen that the PS3 section has expanded to about 3 times the Xbox shelf space, and at a Gamestop, I've noticed that only the Wii and PS3 are getting promenent displaysMar 10 14:10
Will__And even then, I've seen more than one store temporarily out of stock of PS3s.  Mar 10 14:12
Will__Ever since the slim released, it's been like a whole new system.Mar 10 14:12
oiaohmslim don't over heat.Mar 10 14:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Harsh truth about programmers http://www.codecomics.com/images/comics/assalto_en.png (via @ideamonk)Mar 10 14:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 10 14:12
oiaohmIt don't run Linux either that is a minor pain in assMar 10 14:12
Will__oiaohm:  and they run quiet.  Not like a jet engine.Mar 10 14:13
oiaohmThe reduction in dia size.Mar 10 14:13
oiaohmLess heat less cooling required Will__Mar 10 14:13
Will__oiaohm:  I know.  Just bringing it up as a separate benefit.  Anyway, I hate that they took out the Linux option, but with limited access to the hardware, it wasn't ideal to begin with.Mar 10 14:14
oiaohmI did manage to quet one of the old cases down.Mar 10 14:14
schestowitzhttp://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/03/10/mozilla-completely-rips-design-agencys-website/ Ha!Mar 10 14:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Mozilla Completely Rips Off Design Agencys Website .::. Size~: 32.23 KBMar 10 14:14
schestowitzWill__: but it's WPMar 10 14:14
schestowitzWordPressMar 10 14:14
oiaohmCut hole in bottom so fan could suck in fresh cool air Will__Mar 10 14:14
oiaohmOr side depending on how you have the PS3 sitting.Mar 10 14:15
schestowitzWordPress would run FAR too poorly on WindowsMar 10 14:15
schestowitzI have a friend who tried. Total fail.Mar 10 14:15
Will__Seems like way too much opensource in use for MS to be using itMar 10 14:15
oiaohmIncreased cooling slowed the fan down a lot so it not a jet.  Will__Mar 10 14:15
oiaohmBasically the only mistake the PS3 has in the god darn air intake.Mar 10 14:15
MinceRor use a real computer. :>Mar 10 14:16
Will__MinceR: exactly.  Then you can use the video card as well.Mar 10 14:17
oiaohmcell chips are very good a particular types of processing.Mar 10 14:18
MinceRyou won't be able to use them for that in the ps3 slim, thoughMar 10 14:18
schestowitzhttp://www.p2pnet.net/story/36899Mar 10 14:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: p2pnet news  » Blog Archive   » Sarah Palin family used Canada health care     .::. Size~: 44.65 KBMar 10 14:18
schestowitzPalin, that commieMar 10 14:19
oiaohmexactly I fixed up a non slims cooling problems.  MinceRMar 10 14:19
oiaohmBetter heat sink compound ie artic silver. and one hole saw in side of case.Mar 10 14:19
MinceRand uncrippled ps3s aren't sold anymore, are they?Mar 10 14:19
schestowitzHmmm.. should have put "commie" ins care quotes.Mar 10 14:19
schestowitzHypocrisy notedMar 10 14:19
schestowitzMinceR: noMar 10 14:20
schestowitzThis new Linux device shares a name with a famous criminal: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/03/09/ikan-wireless-kitchen-appliance-revolutionizes-inhome-grocery-shopping/Mar 10 14:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ikan Wireless Kitchen Appliance Revolutionizes In-Home Grocery Shopping | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 35.65 KBMar 10 14:21
oiaohmI got mine from someone upgrading to slim.Mar 10 14:21
oiaohmHe is minorally annoyed that a simple bit of work fixed the noise problem.Mar 10 14:21
schestowitzhttp://slashdot.org/submission/1190114/the-future-of-the-OS-GUI-from-2003?art_pos=1Mar 10 14:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Submission | the future of the OS GUI from 2003 .::. Size~: 43.54 KBMar 10 14:23
schestowitz> Re: Guardian audio tech blogMar 10 14:24
schestowitz> An interview with the BBC DG Mark Thomson, at 7:15 a mention of theMar 10 14:24
schestowitz> iPlayer and Open Source plugin. Pretty non committal ..Mar 10 14:24
schestowitz> Mar 10 14:24
schestowitz> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/mar/09/bbc-digital-mechanical-museumMar 10 14:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech Weekly podcast: Digital changes at the BBC, and inside San Francisco's mechanical museum |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 77 KBMar 10 14:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/08/litvinenko-family-asylum-italyMar 10 14:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Alexander Litvinenko's father finds little sanctuary in Italy |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 75.46 KBMar 10 14:26
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/08/us-troops-withdraw-haiti-earthquakeMar 10 14:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: US troops withdrawing from Haiti |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 69.49 KBMar 10 14:27
schestowitz"Even a few thousand troops could effectively maintain military control over Haiti's weak government, " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jan-apr.html#10%20March%202010%20%28US%20troops%20in%20Haiti%29Mar 10 14:27
schestowitzhttp://www.newstatesman.com/film/2010/03/avatar-reality-love-couple-sexMar 10 14:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: New Statesman - Return of the natives .::. Size~: 47.7 KBMar 10 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lining up a great interview for the next episode of @uupc !Mar 10 14:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New hardisk #fedora 12 x86_64 installed. Create my build system VM with libcirt => qemu-kvm == instant reboot, qemu non kvm doesn't work.Mar 10 14:49
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schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.electropages.com/viewArticle.aspx?intArticle=14923Mar 10 14:58
Diablo-D3http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/10/1320246/Ex-Sun-Chief-Dishes-Dirt-On-Gates-Jobs?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+ReaderMar 10 14:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Story | Ex-Sun Chief Dishes Dirt On Gates, Jobs .::. Size~: 112.97 KBMar 10 14:58
Diablo-D3oh hohohohohMar 10 14:58
Diablo-D3slashdot carried itMar 10 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I meant libvirt, of course...Mar 10 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Boss has just been sent a CV by an agency. _His_ CV with someone _elses_ name/phone on it! The cheek!Mar 10 15:04
oiaohmThink I might be putting in for a sample of that chip schestowitzMar 10 15:05
schestowitzhttp://opensource.com/should-be/10/3/rss-updates-what-were-reading-enhancements-flickr-streamMar 10 15:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: RSS updates, What We're Reading enhancements, Flickr stream | opensource.com .::. Size~: 31.4 KBMar 10 15:06
schestowitzThis site does not get any attention from Linux news siteMar 10 15:06
schestowitzI don't understand whMar 10 15:06
schestowitzoiaohm: I have a tonne of news for a digest todayMar 10 15:07
schestowitzDiablo-D3: indeed!Mar 10 15:07
schestowitzBad for Apple and Microsoft... kudos to JonMar 10 15:07
Diablo-D3schestowitz: btw, I subscribe to jon's blogMar 10 15:07
Diablo-D3I thought I linked to it in here earlierMar 10 15:07
Diablo-D3maybe I didntMar 10 15:07
schestowitzOh, I should tooMar 10 15:07
schestowitzI forgotMar 10 15:07
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schestowitzOh damn.Mar 10 15:09
schestowitzI was ALREADY subscribedMar 10 15:09
Diablo-D3lolMar 10 15:09
schestowitzI didn't even remember, I have hundreds of feedsMar 10 15:09
Diablo-D3and I thought I had too many >_>Mar 10 15:09
schestowitzhttp://buytaert.net/the-history-of-mysql-abMar 10 15:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The history of MySQL AB | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 17.51 KBMar 10 15:10
schestowitzhttp://www.animationmagazine.net/article/11233Mar 10 15:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Disney Offers Ptex on New Open-Source Site | Animation Magazine .::. Size~: 12.59 KBMar 10 15:13
schestowitzEven Jobs and the Hollywood giants of his (by association) give up closed-sourceMar 10 15:13
schestowitzIn piecesMar 10 15:13
Diablo-D3hehMar 10 15:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Argh. Amputation feels like a good idea...Mar 10 15:15
oiaohmPart that blender has been becoming a main stay in 3d movie production.   Costs are also a factor schestowitzMar 10 15:16
*schestowitz subscribes to http://timothyblee.com/?feed=rss2Mar 10 15:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting text/xml; charset=UTF-8 type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 10 15:16
schestowitzoiaohm: the more people co-develop (like Apache), the stronger it becoemsMar 10 15:17
schestowitzThen it becomes impossible to defeat  because of the nwtwork effectMar 10 15:17
schestowitzIt's run by a foundation and owned by everyoneMar 10 15:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] great name for an Apple critics podcast = the turtlenecked automotonMar 10 15:22
oiaohmschestowitz: blender foundation hunts down funding for full time developers.Mar 10 15:24
oiaohmSo its a little more than just network effect.   Each movie blender produces is jumps forwards in tech.Mar 10 15:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear #bbc. You suck. http://bit.ly/bKNjOl "get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC.s lack of support for open source"Mar 10 15:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: get_iplayer dropped in response to BBCs lack of support for open source | Linuxcentre .::. Size~: 29.88 KBMar 10 15:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/mar/9/dutch-pirates-set-sail/ http://staging.piratenpartij.nl/Mar 10 15:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pirate Party UK - Dutch Pirates set sail .::. Size~: 15.85 KBMar 10 15:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Piratenpartij Nederland .::. Size~: 16.32 KBMar 10 15:30
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #RonPaul is running for re-election this year as the only honest man in the House http://ur1.ca/i0mxMar 10 15:32
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schestowitzhttp://www.news.ku.edu/2010/march/3/onlinedating.shtmlMar 10 15:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Online daters behave similarly to those who meet face-to-face, KU researcher says - KU News .::. Size~: 20.27 KBMar 10 15:36
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Ender2070the author of xchat just told me thisMar 10 15:39
Ender2070the windows development is the main development branch NOT under the GPL, and that they port parts of that to the Linux GPL versionMar 10 15:40
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100308/1041228463.shtmlMar 10 15:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Is Amazon Blocking Reviews Of Assassin's Creed Over DRM Issues? [Update] | Techdirt .::. Size~: 62.32 KBMar 10 15:40
Ender2070which to be honest sounds like bullshitMar 10 15:41
schestowitzWho cares?Mar 10 15:41
schestowitzI left xchatMar 10 15:41
schestowitzKonversation is FAR betterMar 10 15:41
schestowitzsebsebseb recommended it to me, and I'm delighted that he didMar 10 15:41
Ender2070i know its far betterMar 10 15:42
Ender2070its jus a matter of principalMar 10 15:42
Ender2070just*Mar 10 15:42
schestowitzdaemonfox should see this: http://consumerist.com/2010/03/indiana-county-wont-prosecute-stores-with-redboxes.htmlMar 10 15:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana County Won't Prosecute Stores With Redboxes - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 55.65 KBMar 10 15:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Computer Science Degrees Still In Demand" http://ur1.ca/p2oc http://ur1.ca/p2odMar 10 15:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Want a Job? Get a Computer Science Degree -  CIO.com - Business Technology Leadership .::. Size~: 58.61 KBMar 10 15:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computer Science Degrees Still In Demand | Techdirt .::. Size~: 103.5 KBMar 10 15:47
schestowitzEnder2070: *pleMar 10 15:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stupidity prevails at NYT, which compares copying to "stealing" ("shoplifting") http://ur1.ca/p2p7Mar 10 15:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Public Editor - Journalistic Shoplifting - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 48.36 KBMar 10 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Microsoft launches free rival to BBC iPlayer - the MSN Video Player - Times Online - More BBC / MS incest http://tinyurl.com/ykqylhdMar 10 16:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Microsoft launches free rival to BBC iPlayer - the MSN Video Player - Times Online  .::. Size~: 105.37 KBMar 10 16:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] RS @b1ackcr0w: Using Linux really has made life better #shotofjaq !lo http://www.artofcomplaint.com/?p=723Mar 10 16:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Unexpected Benefits | artofcomplaint.com .::. Size~: 106 KBMar 10 16:07
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] downloading a bunch of !cmdln podcasts to listen for the first timeMar 10 16:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning, Internet friends!Mar 10 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @hifromkatie: @jonobacon mentioned in todays gpf-comic http://www.gpf-comics.com/archive.php?d=20100310 along with others -- sweet!!Mar 10 16:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GPF Archive: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 .::. Size~: 19.05 KBMar 10 16:40
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Man GNU/Linux is sweet, you will realize it when you are forced to use doze.Mar 10 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In an hour I am doing my Ubuntu and Community Q+A videocast live at http://tinyurl.com/d5v4xg - hope you can join me! #ubuntu #communityMar 10 17:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon.. Computers .::. Size~: 56.01 KBMar 10 17:03
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4Mar 10 17:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- James Randi Speaks: Dowsing, the Ideomotor Effect .::. Size~: 120.03 KBMar 10 17:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Installed the Alpha3, worked around Nouveau trouble by installing the Nvidia binary blob. Works great (as expected).Mar 10 17:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] My brother had a new baby (Aisha). ^^Mar 10 17:31
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruTmqfGJhTIMar 10 17:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- James Randi the ADE651 aka Quadro Tracker .::. Size~: 120.33 KBMar 10 17:32
Omar87Howdy all. :DMar 10 17:34
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schestowitz"@glynmoody why do play play along with the "Bill Gates" brand/PR campaign? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hgP3ioAeA "Mar 10 18:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- James Randi Speaks: The Carlos Hoax .::. Size~: 116.01 KBMar 10 18:05
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WireWulfo/Mar 10 18:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I will be doing a my live Ubuntu and community Q+A now at 11am / 2pm EST / 7pm GMT at http://is.gd/a8Wc7 #ubuntu #communityMar 10 18:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon.. Computers .::. Size~: 57.39 KBMar 10 18:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Agradeço aos Eurodeputados portugueses o seu voto sobre a ACTA. Com excepção de VMoreira AGomes MDavid e PRangel q abstiveram ou ñ votaram.Mar 10 18:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Foi um bom voto. Para os restantes Eurodeputados portugueses: PARABÉNS!Mar 10 18:21
Omar87schestowitz, how did he reply?Mar 10 18:29
WireWulflalalalalalaMar 10 18:43
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schestowitzOmar87: who did?Mar 10 18:57
schestowitzOh. Moody.Mar 10 18:57
schestowitzHas hasn't yetMar 10 18:57
Omar87schestowitz, I see.Mar 10 18:57
schestowitzMac Asay replied to me todayMar 10 18:57
Omar87schestowitz, what did you ask him?Mar 10 18:57
*schestowitz listens to nas album..Mar 10 18:58
schestowitzOmar87: see BNMar 10 18:58
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schestowitzI don't like these replies, but he by all means should let his side of the story be heardMar 10 19:00
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Omar87schestowitz, can you give me the link?Mar 10 19:05
Omar87Please?Mar 10 19:05
Omar87OkayMar 10 19:05
Omar87I got it/Mar 10 19:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to broadcast live my Ubuntu / community Q+A now at http://is.gd/a8Wc7 - join us! #ubuntu #communityMar 10 19:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon.. Computers .::. Size~: 57.03 KBMar 10 19:10
Omar87schestowitz, yeah. Mac Asay is really shameless. He has running out of professional dignity.Mar 10 19:11
Omar87He *is running out.. Mar 10 19:12
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MinceRdoes anyone know the URL of the slightly osx-ified Light theme? (i think DaemonFC showed them)Mar 10 19:14
schestowitzOmar87: hold on...Mar 10 19:22
schestowitzWas away for a whileMar 10 19:22
schestowitzHere's the thing.Mar 10 19:22
schestowitzHe can help MicrosoftMar 10 19:22
schestowitzIf he wantsMar 10 19:22
schestowitzHe invited their key racketeer Brad Smith to OSBC 2008Mar 10 19:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] " #Linux Against Poverty 2010" Kicks off In #Texas http://ur1.ca/p3ln #heliosMar 10 19:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Blog of Helios: Austin Texas - Linux Against Poverty 2010 .::. Size~: 98.11 KBMar 10 19:23
schestowitzI'll never forget thatMar 10 19:23
schestowitzThe only bigger racketeer is HoracioMar 10 19:23
schestowitzAnd the puppetmasters Bill and Steve, maybe Ozzie, but I doubt thatMar 10 19:23
schestowitzAsay is exceedingly polite, BUT...Mar 10 19:24
cubezzzOzzie used to be cool :)Mar 10 19:24
schestowitzHe promoted the trolls from that anti-BN siteMar 10 19:25
schestowitzcubezzz: old daysMar 10 19:25
schestowitzMaybe he'll quit laterMar 10 19:25
schestowitzHis business at MSFT failsMar 10 19:25
schestowitzOnline stuffMar 10 19:25
schestowitz$2+ billion per years in LOSSES per YEARMar 10 19:25
cubezzzI'm probably thinking about a different Ozzie thoughMar 10 19:25
cubezzzthere's a lot of things that aren't goodMar 10 19:26
cubezzzsports for example, has become totally about moneyMar 10 19:26
cubezzzI can't even watch sports on Linux barelyMar 10 19:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Falls Off People's Desktops Like Tails Off Monkeys Throughout Evolution http://ur1.ca/p3m8Mar 10 19:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Shutting Down That Other OS at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 25.61 KBMar 10 19:27
schestowitzYes, sports are corruptionMar 10 19:27
schestowitzNothing new about itMar 10 19:27
schestowitzOlympics and football in particular, AFAIKMar 10 19:28
cubezzzyes I figured you would say that :)Mar 10 19:28
cubezzzI guess that's why I like GNU so muchMar 10 19:28
cubezzzit's not about the moneyMar 10 19:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop With Memory Footprint of 18 MB http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/your-way-is-the-right-way/Mar 10 19:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Your way is the right way « Motho ke motho ka botho .::. Size~: 46.44 KBMar 10 19:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.34 Already on Track with 400,000+ New Lines of Code http://ur1.ca/oxu6 http://ur1.ca/p3mzMar 10 19:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux 2.6.34 development marches on - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.25 KBMar 10 19:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle:     400,000+  lines added in Linux 2.6.34-rc1 kernel - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 104.82 KBMar 10 19:31
cubezzzschestowitz, I got the whole house on Linux nowMar 10 19:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Opens Store http://store.linux.com/ http://ur1.ca/p3n4 http://ur1.ca/p3n5Mar 10 19:32
cubezzzerased the last windows installMar 10 19:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux.com Store .::. Size~: 47.38 KBMar 10 19:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Wear Your Linux Pride on Your Sleeve, Linux.com Launches New Store  .::. Size~: 25.33 KBMar 10 19:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Embrace Your Inner Geek At The New Linux Store  .::. Size~: 41.73 KBMar 10 19:32
cubezzzthat doesn't really look that appealingMar 10 19:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Major Desktop Environments in #GNU #Linux Made Fantastic Progress, #KDE Still Heaviest http://ur1.ca/p3ng http://ur1.ca/p3nhMar 10 19:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GNOME and KDE: Seven Attractions in Each &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 68.42 KBMar 10 19:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE a resource hog? - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.22 KBMar 10 19:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC Elected for #OpenPC , Preview of KDE 4.5 http://ur1.ca/p3nt http://ur1.ca/p3nuMar 10 19:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lets Enjoy Power of Linux: Open-PC will use KDE .::. Size~: 78.04 KBMar 10 19:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Five Improvements for KDE 4.5 (Part 1) .::. Size~: 34.87 KBMar 10 19:36
schestowitzcubezzz: nice!Mar 10 19:38
schestowitzI deleted my last Linux partition in 2005Mar 10 19:38
schestowitz*WindowsMar 10 19:38
schestowitzMoved to all Linux everywhere (home and work)Mar 10 19:38
schestowitzSUSEMar 10 19:38
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schestowitzcubezzz: re LF shop, maybe it's good for publuic presenceMar 10 19:39
schestowitzAlso free adsMar 10 19:39
schestowitzlinux.com addresses and shirt and mugs and stuffMar 10 19:39
schestowitzBut they already have enoug funding from members (companies)Mar 10 19:40
schestowitzNokia joined tooMar 10 19:40
schestowitzMoblin was the LF'sMar 10 19:40
schestowitzUnder IntelMar 10 19:40
schestowitzMajor sponsorMar 10 19:40
schestowitzNow with Nokia+Meego(Meamo+Moblin), I wonder how LF is related to MeeGoMar 10 19:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS 2010 Works Brilliantly, More Previews http://ur1.ca/p3p9 http://ur1.ca/owe0 http://ur1.ca/p3paMar 10 19:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PCLinuxOS - the Big Daddy of all Desktop Linux Distributions: PCLinuxOS 2010 Rocks Even in the Beta Stage .::. Size~: 106.17 KBMar 10 19:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PCLinuxOS 2010 Beta 1 released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.29 KBMar 10 19:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PCLinuxOS 2010 beta review « Linux Owns .::. Size~: 48.98 KBMar 10 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Preliminary Look at #Fedora 13 (Alpha) http://ur1.ca/p3pn http://ur1.ca/p3pp http://ur1.ca/p3prMar 10 19:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rock it - The first pre-release version of Fedora 13 arrives - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 37.14 KBMar 10 19:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: F13 Alpha release announcement - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 18.22 KBMar 10 19:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fedora 13: Punny Stuff .::. Size~: 28.38 KBMar 10 19:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux Has "End Of Life" Advantage http://yetanothercomputerblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/distros-and-end-of-life.htmlMar 10 19:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Yet Another Computer Blog: Distros and End Of Life .::. Size~: 85.64 KBMar 10 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Preparation for Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux, New Deal with #Wyse http://ur1.ca/p3q7 http://ur1.ca/p3q8 http://ur1.ca/p3q9Mar 10 19:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LinuxCommand.org: Tips, News And Rants: Project: Getting Ready For Ubuntu 10.04 - Part 1 .::. Size~: 103.87 KBMar 10 19:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Kubuntu vs Ubuntu: A comparative Analysis of Ubuntu and Kubuntu .::. Size~: 31.22 KBMar 10 19:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wyse Technology: Preparing Ubuntu Linux Thin Clients? | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 1412.69 KBMar 10 19:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Linux on #Phones Will Win and How it Replaces the Desktop to a Degree http://ur1.ca/p3r2 http://ur1.ca/p3r3Mar 10 19:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Armed and Dangerous  » Blog Archive   » Greed kills: Why smartphone lock-in will fail and open source win .::. Size~: 89.24 KBMar 10 19:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: John S. Dembowski: The Linux Box in My Pocket .::. Size~: 20.57 KBMar 10 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thoughts About #Google 's #Linux (Android/Chrome OS) http://ur1.ca/p3r9 http://ur1.ca/p3ra http://ur1.ca/p3rbMar 10 19:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Parallels Officially Supports Chrome OS | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 1401.64 KBMar 10 19:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tech-no-media: Why online resources are not free and ChromeOS will fail .::. Size~: 94.11 KBMar 10 19:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Chrome OS to get business-grade edition | Electronista .::. Size~: 60.55 KBMar 10 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many New #Linux #Devices Now in Kitchens, Robotics, More http://ur1.ca/p3rr http://ur1.ca/p3rtMar 10 20:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ikan Wireless Kitchen Appliance Revolutionizes In-Home Grocery Shopping | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 37.33 KBMar 10 20:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android Phone Grows Up, Becomes Brain for Real Robot | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 81.69 KBMar 10 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux #Tablets Are Coming: #Freescale , #HTC http://ur1.ca/p3s0 http://ur1.ca/p3s1Mar 10 20:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Freescale's $200 tablet will support Chromium, Android and Linux OSes – Computer Chips & Hardware Technology | Geek.com .::. Size~: 52.74 KBMar 10 20:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HTC Touch Pro2 Runs Ubuntu Linux .::. Size~: 30.64 KBMar 10 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New 3D Stack for Open Source #BeOS -compatible OS ( #Haiku OS) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA1NQMar 10 20:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Haiku OS Hopes For New 3D Stack .::. Size~: 16.64 KBMar 10 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Natural Thing to Human Psychology http://ur1.ca/p3vb http://ur1.ca/p3vc http://ur1.ca/p3vdMar 10 20:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Kindness Breeds More Kindness, Study Shows | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 77.76 KBMar 10 20:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                     Open source makes psychological sense - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 31.73 KBMar 10 20:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Can free software drive the fourth paradigm?  .::. Size~: 44.73 KBMar 10 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Makes Use of #KHTML Derivative for Speed http://ur1.ca/owsyMar 10 20:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mozilla borrows from WebKit to build fast new JS engine .::. Size~: 28.23 KBMar 10 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the History of #MySQL #Database , #CouchDB http://ur1.ca/p3w2 http://ur1.ca/p3w3Mar 10 20:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The history of MySQL AB | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 17.51 KBMar 10 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Businesses Can Deploy #FreeSoftware for Internal #Microblogging http://ur1.ca/oxuqMar 10 20:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK #Government in London Under Fire for Neglecting #Freedom in Software http://ur1.ca/p3wnMar 10 20:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: London Government Accused Of Open Source Inaction | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 31.33 KBMar 10 20:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slovenia protests Government's Affairs with Software Monopolist http://ur1.ca/p3wyMar 10 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brazilian #Government Deploys #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/owhjMar 10 20:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SI: Complaint over government purchase of proprietary software &mdash;  .::. Size~: 30.1 KBMar 10 20:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Brazil launches new version of their electronic government portal : northxsouth : free software news from latin america .::. Size~: 22.99 KBMar 10 20:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I heard that #feynman explained to Corey Haim why vampires couldn't existMar 10 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] aaand the chromium experiment ends, cos it kept pegging my cpu and the laptop kept overheating and shutting down. ff 3.6 doesn't do this.Mar 10 20:32
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DaemonFCFunny thing... A local businessman that rents cars for a living told me that the 50 cent a mile tax credit you get for business use of your private vehicle is "lining your pockets with taxpayer money"Mar 10 20:35
DaemonFCso I replied that he should return all his business tax credits to the IRS immediately because he's "lining his pockets with my money"Mar 10 20:35
DaemonFChttp://www.truthin2010.org/Mar 10 20:41
DaemonFClolMar 10 20:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CCTV Now in Toilets http://ur1.ca/p40k http://ur1.ca/p40l It stinksMar 10 20:45
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pirate Party UK - Solihull school installs CCTV in children's toilets .::. Size~: 16.76 KBMar 10 20:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality at Risk http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/mar/10/internet-without-net-neutrality/Mar 10 20:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM / #DMCA Abused http://ur1.ca/p410Mar 10 20:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pirate Party UK - The internet without net neutrality .::. Size~: 15.09 KBMar 10 20:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Intellectual Property Watch  » Blog Archive   » Electronics Manufacturers Use US Legal System to Thwart Hardware ‘Hacks’ .::. Size~: 50.46 KBMar 10 20:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Hurt Science http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-science-vs-intellectual-monopolies.htmlMar 10 20:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: open...: Open Science vs. Intellectual Monopolies .::. Size~: 101.1 KBMar 10 20:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Faces Intense Opposition, Especially in Europe http://ur1.ca/or7n http://ur1.ca/p417 http://ur1.ca/p1mn http://ur1.ca/p418Mar 10 20:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Start collecting signatures on ACTA declaration! | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 27.5 KBMar 10 20:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Debate Europe &bull; View topic - SWIFT now, ACTA next .::. Size~: 41.99 KBMar 10 20:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: European Parliament strongly opposes ACTA's democratic deficit | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 25.95 KBMar 10 20:48
WireWulfmoo like a spamer :PMar 10 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Alice in Wonderland - 3D Masterpiece? My review of the technology of 3D in the theatres. http://bit.ly/9zPeoqMar 10 20:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks for all the wonderful questions folks in the vidcast! #ubuntu #communityMar 10 20:56
schestowitzDaemonFC:  http://consumerist.com/2010/03/indiana-county-wont-prosecute-stores-with-redboxes.htmlMar 10 21:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Indiana County Won't Prosecute Stores With Redboxes - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 55.65 KBMar 10 21:01
DaemonFCsaw itMar 10 21:03
WireWulf,.,..,.,...,.,..,...,Mar 10 21:03
Diablo-D3saw itMar 10 21:05
Diablo-D3and promptly lol'dMar 10 21:05
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/24321553 "@schestowitz props to the designer who made smooth photo transitions without flash or gnash. html5?"Mar 10 21:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: menn (openuniverse) 's status on Wednesday, 10-Mar-10 19:40:00 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.34 KBMar 10 21:05
schestowitzThe Lohan thing was betterMar 10 21:06
Diablo-D3schestowitz: not even html5Mar 10 21:06
Diablo-D3though yes, doing it in canvas is really fucking simpleMar 10 21:06
*Diablo-D3 can do it in like 10 lines of jsMar 10 21:06
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, Gotta stop those redboxes, they have snuff porn in them and it's free and open to minorsMar 10 21:07
DaemonFC:PMar 10 21:07
Diablo-D3snuff porn?Mar 10 21:07
*Diablo-D3 quickly heads to the nearest redboxMar 10 21:07
DaemonFCWhere they kill someoneMar 10 21:07
DaemonFCit was a jokeMar 10 21:07
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: I think you missed where I was going with thisMar 10 21:08
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, Though The Passion of The Christ counts as snuff porn, I thinkMar 10 21:08
Diablo-D3meh, but its GAY snuff pornMar 10 21:08
Diablo-D3it doesnt do anything for meMar 10 21:08
DaemonFCnow Ubuntu's indicator crapplets are leaking memoryMar 10 21:09
DaemonFCniceMar 10 21:09
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DaemonFCjono, This is starting to remind me of that Vista developer that mused about the 6 month crapfest to create a new shutdown appletMar 10 21:10
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 21:10
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCvkwbLYhNwMar 10 21:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Lindsay Lohan Sues E-Trade Babies! .::. Size~: 158.45 KBMar 10 21:10
DaemonFCThey should use that Made on a Mac button Mar 10 21:11
DaemonFCwear it with prideMar 10 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel Poll - What operating system do you use? http://j.mp/b1FuMm <-- for photographersMar 10 21:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   What Operating System Do You Use? .::. Size~: 35.95 KBMar 10 21:11
Diablo-D3<ceo of e-trade> who the fuck is lindsay lohan?Mar 10 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Testing out SugarCRM.. looking for if it can be used for our organization.Mar 10 21:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rejon: If you using SKYPE, you are a #FLOSSTITUTEMar 10 21:15
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schestowitzI figured, maybe it's a stuntMar 10 21:19
schestowitzShe could be naming a ridiculous amount just to make headliensMar 10 21:19
schestowitzAnd make something out of herselfMar 10 21:19
DaemonFCI'm just going to have the state grab this shit they asked forMar 10 21:20
DaemonFC:PMar 10 21:20
DaemonFCthis is unreasonableMar 10 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Is Remi's repo the best way to get Firefox 3.6 for #fedora ?Mar 10 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Is #Fedora 13's Firefox 3.6 only problem the Java plugin if installed in Fedora 12?Mar 10 21:23
DaemonFCthe state likes to send out forms requesting mounds of paperwork that they know you don't have on youMar 10 21:25
DaemonFCand gives you 3 days to get them back inMar 10 21:25
*DaemonFC bangs head on deskMar 10 21:25
scientespaperwork that you are expected to get from them?Mar 10 21:26
DaemonFCsome of it, yesMar 10 21:28
DaemonFCso they already know most of this shitMar 10 21:28
DaemonFCthey make me send it in to inconvenience meMar 10 21:29
DaemonFCLike my vehicle registrationMar 10 21:29
DaemonFCthey issued thatMar 10 21:29
DaemonFCwhy do they need copies of something they issued?Mar 10 21:30
DaemonFCthen everything I send in has to have the proper numbers written on the top or they don't accept itMar 10 21:31
DaemonFCand I'm on the phone now on holdMar 10 21:32
DaemonFCbecause they're asking for things that don't even applyMar 10 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Eithin Pope's brother admits having been abusive teacher & protecting others: http://bit.ly/d2CfxZ <-- Catholics: YOUR DONATIONS AT WORKMar 10 21:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Shakesville: It's a Real First-Rate Day for the Catholic Church .::. Size~: 92.26 KBMar 10 21:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Working for a living against religion, says pharmacist http://newstechnica.com/?p=1853Mar 10 21:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Working for a living against religion, says pharmacist | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.64 KBMar 10 21:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -Sponsored #GNU #Linux -Hostile Site, http://ur1.ca/p4b6, is Powered by GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/p4b8Mar 10 21:45
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft-Sponsored GNU/Linux-Hostile Site, HowSoftwareIsBuilt.com, is Powered by GNU/Linux | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.97 KBMar 10 21:45
DaemonFCI'm switching banksMar 10 21:45
DaemonFCthis is fucking ridiculousMar 10 21:45
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trmancoheyMar 10 21:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My heart bleeds. You can hear it, it's that guffawing noise. http://is.gd/a9RH8Mar 10 21:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Amahi is awesome - interviewing Carlos Puchol on FLOSSWeekly now about it - http://live.twit.tv :-)Mar 10 22:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TWiT Live - Netcasts you love, from people you trust .::. Size~: 8.6 KBMar 10 22:11
schestowitzAnother page says that "www.howsoftwareisbuilt.com is a blog forum sponsored by Microsoft to encourage community dialogue about open source and proprietary software development models."Mar 10 22:11
schestowitzHey, trmanco_Mar 10 22:11
schestowitzDid you see the post?Mar 10 22:11
trmanco_yeahMar 10 22:11
trmanco_:DMar 10 22:11
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sebsebsebHiMar 10 22:14
trmanco_hiMar 10 22:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] In Praise of Masculine Stupidity http://bit.ly/cwaImz by @JohnBirminghamMar 10 22:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: On stupidity, and why men should ignore Megan Gale .::. Size~: 108.32 KBMar 10 22:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Spreads Lies About #GNU #Linux , Faces Rational Opposition http://ur1.ca/p4j9 #fud #pr #spinMar 10 22:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Still Spreads Lies About GNU/Linux, Faces Rational Opposition | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.34 KBMar 10 22:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft plants another flag in #W3C , #MonoDevelop pushes .NET at #Novell or elsewhere http://ur1.ca/p4ouMar 10 23:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Wants to be the Standard | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 88.04 KBMar 10 23:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, I ended up taking scissors to the 11 forms the state wanted information off of and got them to fit on 3 pagesMar 10 23:17
DaemonFCthey're going to think the unibomber is sending them letters, but oh fucking wellMar 10 23:18
DaemonFCthe entire point of this exercise was to inconvenience me, sending them forms containing 80% of what they already knewMar 10 23:18
DaemonFC1 month later, my old car insurance company is spamming meMar 10 23:19
DaemonFC"Wait, we're willing to be more reasonable now that you've left!"Mar 10 23:20
cubezzzI wouldn't mind having all the Comes documents in text form as wellMar 10 23:20
cubezzzhrmmmMar 10 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Driven like the snow. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/30679.htmlMar 10 23:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: reddragdiva | Driven like the snow. .::. Size~: 29.03 KBMar 10 23:22
cubezzzso there really was a windows evangelism teamMar 10 23:22
DaemonFCWhat motivated you to shop for auto insurance quotes? (Select all that apply). Other (Please specify:) "Geico isn't punishing me over the accident in 2007. :)" Mar 10 23:23
*sebsebseb will be helping someone go Mandriva a bit later on, it seems :)Mar 10 23:23
cubezzzDRG = Developer Relations GroupMar 10 23:23
cubezzzhrmmmMar 10 23:23
cubezzzwow, it's like we were all pawnsMar 10 23:23
cubezzzoh dear, "highly confidential" :)Mar 10 23:26
oiaohmwindows evangelism was only one part.Mar 10 23:27
oiaohmThe war footing MS stands on as well is another.  cubezzzMar 10 23:27
oiaohmIe if they have a means to destroy a competion they will attempt it.Mar 10 23:28
DaemonFCI'm switching banks soon, Wells Fargo is getting on my nervesMar 10 23:28
cubezzzbut then you won't earn any interest!Mar 10 23:28
DaemonFCso same as now?Mar 10 23:29
DaemonFC:PMar 10 23:29
cubezzz;-)Mar 10 23:29
DaemonFChold that thoughtMar 10 23:29
*DaemonFC signs inMar 10 23:29
cubezzzone thing I still don't understand thoughMar 10 23:29
DaemonFC02/26/10INTEREST PAYMENT   +$0.01 Mar 10 23:29
cubezzzwhy is it called "Comes"?Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFCFREE AT LAST!!!Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFCTHANK GOD ALMIGHTY, FREE AT LAST!!!!Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFCA PENNY!!!!Mar 10 23:30
cubezzzdon't forget to declare that on your income tax :)Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFCfuck youMar 10 23:30
DaemonFC:PMar 10 23:30
schestowitz[23:28] <DaemonFC> I'm switching banks soon, Wells Fargo is getting on my nervesMar 10 23:30
schestowitzLast week I read about it almost being bought outMar 10 23:31
schestowitzcubezzz: Comes is a nameMar 10 23:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, National City has a promo every so often, where they pay you $100 to switch to themMar 10 23:31
DaemonFCI'm going for it next timeMar 10 23:31
cubezzzname of what?Mar 10 23:31
DaemonFCthe only thing Wells Fargo gave me was a stuffed ponyMar 10 23:31
DaemonFC:PMar 10 23:31
cubezzza stuffed GNU would be betterMar 10 23:32
DaemonFChttp://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7927/20100310182526.jpgMar 10 23:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 10 23:34
cubezzzOK, I finally seeMar 10 23:35
cubezzz"The full title of the case is: Joe Comes, Riley Paint, Inc., an Iowa corporation"Mar 10 23:35
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cubezzzkind of odd that a paint guy would take on Microsoft :)Mar 10 23:37
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DaemonFChow does Exaile import CDs to FLAC 9 when 8 is maximum compressionMar 10 23:42
DaemonFC? :PMar 10 23:42
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schestowitzYou're actually shavedMar 10 23:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ashley Highfield, #Microsoft UK, Bill Gates, Murdoch, and the #BBC http://ur1.ca/p4rw for those who lost trackMar 10 23:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ashley Highfield, Microsoft UK, Bill Gates, Murdoch, and the BBC | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.36 KBMar 10 23:47
DaemonFCyeah, didn't want to look like a TERROR~1Mar 10 23:47
DaemonFCGuess I really should shave more, I don't want to look 30 before I have toMar 10 23:47
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cubezzzso is BBC supportive of Linux?Mar 10 23:53
cubezzzat all?Mar 10 23:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, Do you know of any way to automatically pull in latest X.org and Mesa in Fedora?Mar 10 23:53
DaemonFCindependent of the rest of the systemMar 10 23:53
cubezzzwow, Ballmer's on the front page :-/Mar 10 23:54
schestowitzI'll put him in BN's front page tooMar 10 23:55
schestowitzIn just a moment...Mar 10 23:55
cubezzzschestowitz, at least the BBC talks about Linux on their accessibility pageMar 10 23:57

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