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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 12th, 2010

-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just confirmed Simon Phipps (@webmink), who recently left Sun and is involved many governance projects for FLOSSWeekly next week!Mar 12 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Now listening to The Agony Scene's 'The Darkest Red'Mar 12 00:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just confirmed Dan Lopez (@dan_lopez) from the Linux Foundation and the guy behind linux.com and MuseAmp for FLOSSWeekly in two weeks! :-)Mar 12 00:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Faces Legal Threats After Collusion Exposed http://ur1.ca/p4g6 http://ur1.ca/pajw http://ur1.ca/pajx http://ur1.ca/pajyMar 12 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Parliament threatens court action on anti-piracy treaty | EurActiv .::. Size~: 49.2 KBMar 12 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ALDE Group in the European Parliament : Negotiations on ACTA agreement lack transparency .::. Size~: 31.03 KBMar 12 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Greens | European Free Alliance in the European Parliament -  – ACTA .::. Size~: 9.82 KBMar 12 00:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Epic win for transparency on ACTA « Christian Engström, Pirate MEP .::. Size~: 73.73 KBMar 12 00:12
bruce89niceMar 12 00:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: new logout dialogues hrm, well something to try in a vm at leastMar 12 00:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon 's Proof That the #USPTO is a Joke Persists http://ur1.ca/pak9 http://ur1.ca/paka http://ur1.ca/p3cjMar 12 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Amazon 1-Click Patent Survives Almost Unscathed .::. Size~: 138.64 KBMar 12 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Amazon One-Click Patent Slides Through Reexamination - Patent Law Blog (Patently-O) .::. Size~: 127.88 KBMar 12 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Amazon.com's 1-Click patent confirmed following re-exam .::. Size~: 53.58 KBMar 12 00:14
bruce89I'm now worried over this whole HTC thingMar 12 00:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Just had a craptacular ebay/paypal experience, bought something on wrong account and had to send myself money from the other to pay with.Mar 12 00:20
DaemonFC:PMar 12 00:20
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WireWulfhmm xDMar 12 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Liferay Moves from MIT (X11) to #LGPL http://ur1.ca/palfMar 12 00:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSSH 5.4 is Out http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20100309072751Mar 12 00:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Liferay Adopting the LGPL License - Blog - Liferay.com .::. Size~: 170.88 KBMar 12 00:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenSSH 5.4 released .::. Size~: 15.01 KBMar 12 00:26
schestowitzbruce89: `it's about AndroidMar 12 00:27
schestowitzIt's on tablets tooMar 12 00:27
schestowitzCompeting with Apple's rubbish, aka iPadMar 12 00:27
bruce89obviously Apple don't like competitionMar 12 00:28
schestowitzSee Sun storyMar 12 00:28
schestowitzExtortionMar 12 00:28
schestowitzSince 2003Mar 12 00:28
schestowitzWith s/w patentsMar 12 00:28
schestowitzAgainst LINUXMar 12 00:28
schestowitzBN will cover more Apple from now onMar 12 00:29
MinceR\o/Mar 12 00:29
WireWulfapple still sucksMar 12 00:29
bruce89#boycottappleMar 12 00:29
WireWulfbruce89: nah i ama bottcott everythingMar 12 00:30
WireWulf*boycottMar 12 00:31
schestowitz"Cannabis News (CannabisNews) is now following your tweets on Twitter. "Mar 12 00:31
schestowitzW00t? :-sMar 12 00:31
jonoschestowitz smokin'Mar 12 00:31
WireWulfomg pot headsMar 12 00:31
jono:PMar 12 00:31
schestowitzNeverMar 12 00:31
schestowitzI just got this and found it amusingMar 12 00:31
WireWulfi may follow someone on twitter one dayMar 12 00:32
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 00:33
*WireWulf doesnt remember passwordMar 12 00:33
bruce89isn't that illegalMar 12 00:40
bruce89oh no, that's stalkingMar 12 00:40
schestowitz> Schest: What do you know about SourceForge being bloacked in certainMar 12 00:41
schestowitz> non-US countries. Who got them put onto the list ?Mar 12 00:41
schestowitzBefore you jump the gun, there are former Microsofters in SourceForge.Mar 12 00:41
schestowitz> Is the Microsoft product also blocked ?Mar 12 00:41
schestowitz> Mar 12 00:41
schestowitz> Come on, this deserves investigation ...Mar 12 00:41
schestowitz> Mar 12 00:41
schestowitz> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/01/25/sourceforge-blocks-iran-north-korea-syria-sudan-and-cuba/Mar 12 00:41
schestowitzANothe code site (maybe Google's) received the same treatment.Mar 12 00:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SourceForge blocks Iran, North Korea, Syria, Sudan and Cuba .::. Size~: 107.2 KBMar 12 00:41
schestowitzWhy was CodePlex in the clear?Mar 12 00:41
MinceRwhat i remember is that sourceforge decided to enforce usian crypto export regulationsMar 12 00:42
MinceRby blocking access to all projects by default from countries where Jesusland forbids exporting strong crypto toMar 12 00:43
MinceRand the idea was that projects with no such crypto would flag themselves and be unblockedMar 12 00:43
MinceR(though this latter detail was added later, afaik)Mar 12 00:43
MinceRit's a pretty stupid move anywayMar 12 00:43
cubezzzthat won't stop anythingMar 12 00:43
cubezzzanyone with half a brain... :)Mar 12 00:44
MinceR...uses Savannah, GitHub or something like that? :>Mar 12 00:44
MinceR(or hosts their own project page)Mar 12 00:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just confirmed Sam Ramji (@sramji) from the Codeplex Foundation for FLOSSWeekly on 14th April :-)Mar 12 00:44
MinceRwhat i don't get is why didn't they just host outside JesuslandMar 12 00:44
MinceRjesuslandian crypto export regulations are useless and harmful anywayMar 12 00:45
cubezzzI'm sure that's doneMar 12 00:45
Diablo-D3MinceR: btwMar 12 00:46
Diablo-D3to be fairMar 12 00:46
Diablo-D3sourceforge had someone from the state department up their assMar 12 00:46
MinceRicMar 12 00:46
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MinceRperhaps it was a half-assed attack on FLOSSMar 12 00:46
Diablo-D3nope.Mar 12 00:46
Diablo-D3it wasntMar 12 00:46
MinceRsingling out the most popular of those hosting sites?Mar 12 00:46
Diablo-D3it was republicans getting paranoid about 9/11Mar 12 00:46
MinceRlolMar 12 00:46
Diablo-D3it was clearly politicalMar 12 00:47
cubezzzpeople are naturally paranoid in generalMar 12 00:47
MinceRthose retards should read up on what happened to PGPMar 12 00:47
cubezzzeven Linux folks :)Mar 12 00:47
cubezzze.g. always assume the worstMar 12 00:48
cubezzzeveryone is out to "get" youMar 12 00:48
Diablo-D3which, btw, I think we should just start banning quite a few countries from sourceforgeMar 12 00:49
DaemonFCMinceR, The US government is now allowing service providers like Microsoft and Yahoo to offer their IM services in hostile countries like IranMar 12 00:49
Diablo-D3if they can't pay us to export freedom, I'm not sure why we should botherMar 12 00:49
DaemonFCyou know people will just use Off The Record with Pidgin or somethingMar 12 00:49
MinceRDiablo-D3: you're starting to sound like DaemonFC on his worse daysMar 12 00:49
Diablo-D3MinceR: what, making an especially funny joke?Mar 12 00:50
MinceRthat was meant to be a joke?Mar 12 00:50
cubezzzlolMar 12 00:50
Diablo-D3I thought it was funny :<Mar 12 00:50
MinceRto be fair i started typing that answer after the first lineMar 12 00:50
MinceR:>Mar 12 00:50
cubezzz>:<Mar 12 00:50
*MinceR wonders what that isMar 12 00:50
MinceRantenna?Mar 12 00:51
Diablo-D3I dont think I want to knowMar 12 00:51
cubezzzsure :)Mar 12 00:51
MinceRbutterfly antenna or whatever it's calledMar 12 00:51
Diablo-D3it looks like your mother trying to goatseMar 12 00:51
MinceRlolMar 12 00:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Unacceptable for Large Businesses and #Windows XP Still Not Secure http://ur1.ca/paq2 #microsoft #intelMar 12 01:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Vista 7 Unacceptable for Large Businesses and Windows XP Still Not Secure | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.82 KBMar 12 01:08
schestowitzI'm too tired...Mar 12 01:10
schestowitzLaters...Mar 12 01:10
MinceRgnMar 12 01:11
WireWulfgnMar 12 01:12
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 01:12
WireWulf>.>Mar 12 01:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #lol + #python = #lolpython http://www.dalkescientific.com/writings/diary/archive/2007/06/01/lolpython.html (via @jweyrich)Mar 12 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LOLPython .::. Size~: 8.51 KBMar 12 01:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Really happy with how my #osbc presentation is shaping up, hope to see a bunch of you there. :-)Mar 12 01:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Love the drums on Warbringer's 'Nightmare Anatomy' - subtle and awesome cymbal work, almost Anata like tune - http://is.gd/ah3DyMar 12 01:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Warbringer - Nightmare Anatomy [HD] .::. Size~: 97.34 KBMar 12 01:31
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cubezzzI'd definitely recommend antenna over paying for cableMar 12 01:42
cubezzzor just don't watch tv :)Mar 12 01:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] As part of the Ubuntu Global Jam (http://is.gd/ah8XZ) I will be at A'cuppa Tea in Rockridge, CA from 10am - 6pm on Fri 26th March #ubuntuMar 12 01:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UbuntuGlobalJam - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 25.88 KBMar 12 01:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Unwrapping The Community Manager at OSBC in San Francisco - http://is.gd/ahjts #ubuntu #communityMar 12 02:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                   Unwrapping The Community Manager at OSBC in San Francisco | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 24.43 KBMar 12 02:15
Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0MVuWDc5RQMar 12 02:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Hitler in Captain Planet .::. Size~: 116.81 KBMar 12 02:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Time for dinner and then a work out while I am ravaged by my current obsession with watching all of Lost on Hulu - http://www.hulu.com/lostMar 12 02:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lost - Full Episodes and Clips streaming online for free - Hulu .::. Size~: 187.65 KBMar 12 02:38
DaemonFCEnder2070, Hitler ftw!Mar 12 02:41
cubezzzwow, the top tyan motherboards are expensiveMar 12 02:46
cubezzz$550 CANMar 12 02:47
DaemonFCyou might as well just say $550Mar 12 02:48
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Ender2070_DaemonFC - on the news the other day the banks were saying that canada would be on par with USD soon, and by the summer it should be close to the EUMar 12 04:09
Ender2070_euroMar 12 04:09
cubezzzmight just look for a used one on ebayMar 12 04:10
cubezzzgot a great deal for a customer on a Tyan K7X loadedMar 12 04:11
Ender2070_lolMar 12 04:12
Ender2070_DaemonFC - the f13 livecd for kde is the right sizeMar 12 04:13
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cubezzzsome of these newer boards don't have many expansion slots :-/Mar 12 04:28
cubezzzstill, I'm way overdue for an upgradeMar 12 04:28
WireWulfoverdue?Mar 12 04:30
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cubezzzwell this box is dual 500 Mhz Tyan :)Mar 12 04:31
cubezzzfrom 1998Mar 12 04:31
WireWulfcubezzz: niceMar 12 04:32
WireWulfi still run my p1 from 1995 <.<Mar 12 04:32
WireWulf>.>Mar 12 04:32
cubezzzstill I wouldn't mind something more modernMar 12 04:32
WireWulfcubezzz: monderen i would like myself i have one dual core computer and it is an MSI a5000 laptopMar 12 04:33
cubezzzrunning doze as I recall? :)Mar 12 04:34
cubezzzthat reminds me I should look at the used toughbooksMar 12 04:34
WireWulfcubezzz: yeah but i have my reasons for thatMar 12 04:34
WireWulfcubezzz: i dont run anything gr8 on my p1Mar 12 04:39
WireWulfitherMar 12 04:40
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Ender2070_i have a IBM 390X in my closetMar 12 04:56
Ender2070_thinkpadMar 12 04:56
Ender2070_550mhz p3Mar 12 04:56
WireWulfniceMar 12 04:57
Ender2070_its a paperweightMar 12 04:58
WireWulfi am thinking about trying plan9 from bell labs Mar 12 04:58
Ender2070_i have a dell xps m1330Mar 12 04:58
WireWulfanyone have any reasons i shouldnt?Mar 12 04:58
Ender2070_plan9 ownsMar 12 04:58
WireWulfi here it is Unix but upated and not killed in the ownership fights of the 90'sMar 12 04:59
Ender2070_noMar 12 04:59
Ender2070_its not at allMar 12 05:00
WireWulfEnder2070_: then please tell me what it is Mar 12 05:00
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Ender2070NOOBSMar 12 05:13
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 05:13
WireWulfwhereMar 12 05:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @Technoviking: No more ghost man in the Me menu in #Ubuntu. http://twitpic.com/181kayMar 12 05:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter .::. Size~: 7.54 KBMar 12 05:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Two Shot Of Jaq Publicity Bingo Wins! http://is.gd/aiMh1 #shotofjaqMar 12 06:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Shot of Jaq » Two Shot Of Jaq Publicity Stunt Wins! .::. Size~: 24.12 KBMar 12 06:43
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cubezzzI can buy the arm laptop for $157Mar 12 06:44
cubezzz400 mhzMar 12 06:44
cubezzzkind of wimpy on the memory thoughMar 12 06:45
cubezzz64 megMar 12 06:45
WireWulfwail i am out witch means you will see my znc switch nicks againMar 12 06:46
WireWulfnightMar 12 06:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft isn't in danger of being put out of business but the precendent this case sets could haunt the industry for years http://i5.be/aBkMar 12 07:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft still thwarted from selling Word 2007  | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 87.05 KBMar 12 07:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SourceForge Learns Not from #Windows ’ Failures and Even Hires from #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/pcbu #geeknetMar 12 07:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SourceForge Learns Not from Windows Failures and Even Hires from Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.88 KBMar 12 07:55
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schestowitzzoobab_: biasedMar 12 08:02
schestowitz"Microsoft Subnet"Mar 12 08:02
shreddarHey you guys heard about google next step in web domination?Mar 12 08:03
*schestowitz waits for "Google Subnet" or "Linux Subnet" or whatever at IDGMar 12 08:03
shreddarhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/191149/google_opens_google_apps_marketplace.htmlMar 12 08:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Opens Google Apps Marketplace - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 50.45 KBMar 12 08:03
schestowitzshreddar: shopping carts?Mar 12 08:03
schestowitzI can recall Microsoft wanting to do itMar 12 08:03
schestowitzMade lots of noise about it, never quite happenedMar 12 08:03
schestowitzSame with bar codesMar 12 08:03
shreddarBasically they just made a store for all of the web apps.Mar 12 08:04
shreddarIt doesn't sound as bad as it did when I first thought of it.Mar 12 08:07
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shreddarIt's seems like if you want you new web app to be noticed by anyone in the future you'll have to go through google.Mar 12 08:08
schestowitzPeople once theorised about a Google Web where you submit your site directly to GoogleMar 12 08:10
schestowitzThat was ages agoMar 12 08:10
schestowitzIt never materialisedMar 12 08:11
schestowitzAt Google, is !search then {fail();}Mar 12 08:11
shreddarYeah I guess they'll still have competition. Probably iTunes and Amazon.Mar 12 08:12
schestowitzEwwwww.....Mar 12 08:12
schestowitzIf that's the competition, then I hope Google winsMar 12 08:12
shreddarI fiqured it would be like the situation where you have to submit your video to Youtube in order to get noticed.Mar 12 08:13
shreddarI guess the Youtube situation isn't as bad as I thought though.Mar 12 08:15
shreddarI've heard for most people they watch the video on the creators sites more than from youtube.Mar 12 08:16
shreddarAnyway that's all.Mar 12 08:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple and #Microsoft Use Software Patents Against #Linux , Get Sued http://ur1.ca/pcjp #swpatMar 12 08:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Patents Roundup: Both Apple and Microsoft Use Software Patents Against GNU/Linux, Get Sued for Violation Along With Google and Facebook; Amazon-USPTO Comedy Resumes | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.81 KBMar 12 08:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] is verschrikkelijk laat vandaag, pas om 09:00 uur opgestaan, normaal rond 06:00 uur! Eerst maar eens een emmer koffie naar binnen werken...Mar 12 09:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @duanechaos wants good mini laptop w/Ubuntu Linux,100+gb,good batt life & scren res for coding on planes. Suggestions?Mar 12 09:17
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schestowitzhttp://www.landley.net/notes.html#10-03-2010Mar 12 09:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rob Landley's blog thing for 2010. .::. Size~: 148.18 KBMar 12 09:22
schestowitzWatch how many tablets and devices in general run Linux or Android. The 'desktop' is no longer the game to play; the author happens to cite ESR, who has written at least 2 posts in the past 2 weeks about how Linux (or "Open Source") is winning the mobile race. Watch how frantic Apple gets over Linux... suing it with software patents now, as it tried to do about 7 years ago. Apple tried tablets with iPad (looks like a failure), but Mar 12 09:25
schestowitzLinux/Android+ARM shut the door in Apple's face.Mar 12 09:25
schestowitzLinux has permanently lost the desktop? No. /The world/ has permanently lost the desktopMar 12 09:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] A couple of hours playing with computers last night and I appear to have a fully functioning MythTV setup at home.Mar 12 09:34
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1595571/hp-sues-ink-cartridge-companiesMar 12 09:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                     Hp sues four ink cartridge companies - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 61.34 KBMar 12 09:37
schestowitzMen in gowns. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/supreme-court-takes-informational-privacy-case/Mar 12 09:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Supreme Court Takes Informational Privacy Case | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 76.13 KBMar 12 09:39
schestowitzhttp://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/mar/09/shooting-reported-hayden-area/Mar 12 09:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Search for Hayden shooter continues - Spokesman.com - March 9, 2010 .::. Size~: 70.34 KBMar 12 09:40
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schestowitzThis is silly: http://www.mobile-financial.com/node/5312/Open-Source-Banking:-Innovating-despite-banks-who-remain-out-of-touchMar 12 10:14
schestowitzopen source in the hadlineMar 12 10:14
schestowitzArticle has nothing to do with itMar 12 10:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source Banking: Innovating despite banks who remain out of touch | Mobile-Financial.com .::. Size~: 89.17 KBMar 12 10:14
schestowitzkeyword wave-ridingMar 12 10:14
oiaohmI always like the point of view that Linux has to have lost.Mar 12 10:22
oiaohmHow does a OS loss when it has more companies support it now than 8 year ago.Mar 12 10:23
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schestowitz"Online media publishers should change, as asking consumers to change is a recipe for failure...and for stagnation rather than innovation in business models. It's not the consumer's job to figure out a successful business model for the vendor." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10465944-16.htmlMar 12 10:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Is ad blocking the problem? | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 169.44 KBMar 12 10:32
schestowitzoiaohm: they redefine OSSMar 12 10:32
schestowitzTo "desktop" (old thing), GPL, etc.Mar 12 10:33
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oiaohmWinning the war against MS is winning support of hardware makers.Mar 12 10:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Scientologists try to block 'intolerant' German feature film - The DVD extras may be just as interesting http://tinyurl.com/ya6pyljMar 12 11:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Scientologists try to block 'intolerant' German feature film |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 71.25 KBMar 12 11:21
schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_14649855Mar 12 11:26
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schestowitzQuite majorMar 12 11:26
schestowitzhttp://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=uk&hl=en&num=40&ncl=dZE2GEifaFxTSEMofqXFs4MzO00jMMar 12 11:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lucid Imagination Takes $10 Million - Google News .::. Size~: 45.92 KBMar 12 11:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Karl Rove 'proud' of US torture methods. http://is.gd/akfvrMar 12 11:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC News - Rove 'proud' of US waterboarding terror suspects .::. Size~: 49.11 KBMar 12 11:29
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Karl Rove 'proud' of US torture methods. http://is.gd/akfvrMar 12 11:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC News - Rove 'proud' of US waterboarding terror suspects .::. Size~: 49.12 KBMar 12 11:32
oiaohmwaterboarding has been known for a long time get fake info.Mar 12 11:33
oiaohmSo why be proud of it.Mar 12 11:33
schestowitzhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10349028/ "A group of atheists at the University of Texas in San Antonio is trying to tempt college kids into trading their Bibles for pornography. "Mar 12 11:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Trading bibles for porn in San Antonio - The Ed Show- msnbc.com .::. Size~: 55.2 KBMar 12 11:34
schestowitz"Atheist students are offering to trade pornography for religious "holy" books, saying that the latter are more smutty. I like the idea, I just wish they wouldn't endorse the position that pornography is in general bad." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jan-apr.html#11%20March%202010%20%28Smut%20for%20Smut%20in%20San%20Antonio%29Mar 12 11:34
schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/mar/10/manningham-buller-tortureMar 12 11:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK complained to US about terror suspect torture, says ex-MI5 boss |UK news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 70.26 KBMar 12 11:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] UN humanitarian chief criticises Israel over Gaza. http://is.gd/akhrf #palestine #occupation #israelMar 12 11:36
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] UN humanitarian chief criticises Israel over Gaza. http://is.gd/akhrf #palestine #occupation #israelMar 12 11:37
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oiaohmschestowitz:  most people will respond to questions in micro seconds with mussle movement they cannot control.    Even if they refuse to answer you can still get emotion repossess to questions.Mar 12 11:38
oiaohmCatch is micro second movements are not lies.Mar 12 11:39
oiaohmBasically why water board when you can system matically strip the information out the person to a point they no longer have any point keeping mouth shut you have everything that know.  Or at least enough that they will be suspected of talking anyhow.Mar 12 11:40
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8559683.stmMar 12 11:47
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schestowitzAlmost 2000 comments: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love.ars Mar 12 11:47
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, false testimonyMar 12 11:48
schestowitzIt's why torture can be effective at getting desired words, not truthMar 12 11:48
schestowitzPeople confuse the twoMar 12 11:48
schestowitzIt's like the PC->obesity versus obesity->PC thingMar 12 11:49
schestowitzOr the way here in the UK crime is measuredMar 12 11:49
schestowitzOr NHS performanceMar 12 11:49
schestowitzYou optimise based on the measureMar 12 11:49
schestowitzLike an examination that's predictableMar 12 11:49
schestowitzYou get the REQUIRED/DESIRED outcomeMar 12 11:49
schestowitzLike a false confessionMar 12 11:49
schestowitzSomeone saying, "OK, I did it!"Mar 12 11:50
schestowitzIt doesn't make it trueMar 12 11:50
oiaohmYou know water boarding is cheaper than having high speed cams and someone sitting there processing the video for there responces.Mar 12 11:51
oiaohmLie detectors are not designed to work with people who don't answer.Mar 12 11:52
schestowitzhttp://wmdzone.blogspot.com/2010/03/time-for-ubuntu-to-port-evolution.htmlMar 12 11:52
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schestowitzoiaohm: they canMar 12 11:52
schestowitzPolygraphs can detect nervousnessMar 12 11:52
schestowitzResponse to questionsMar 12 11:52
schestowitzBut that can also be pressure imposed by fear...Mar 12 11:53
schestowitzYou can take someone innocentMar 12 11:53
schestowitzThen ask a questuionMar 12 11:53
schestowitz"Did you commit the crime?"Mar 12 11:53
oiaohmFace tells you way more.Mar 12 11:53
schestowitzThe innocent person is worried that he might be flasely accusedMar 12 11:53
schestowitzSo the test failsMar 12 11:53
schestowitzIf you tell them the machine is 100% correct, then it worksMar 12 11:53
schestowitzThey don't worryMar 12 11:54
oiaohmDetecting fear is not useful.Mar 12 11:54
schestowitzOr worry if they are guiltyMar 12 11:54
schestowitzSo it only works as long as people think that it worksMar 12 11:54
oiaohmDetecting other emtions like hate and distain are more useful.Mar 12 11:54
schestowitzThat would need cathodesMar 12 11:54
schestowitzSeeing which parts of the brain get active as wellMar 12 11:54
schestowitzfMRIMar 12 11:55
oiaohmNo micro expressions.Mar 12 11:55
oiaohmYou don't need cathodes to get it.Mar 12 11:55
oiaohmmicro expressions are something most humans do naturally.Mar 12 11:55
oiaohmAbout the only expects are people who have had a lot of face operations stuffing mussles and people born with downs syndrome.Mar 12 11:56
oiaohmBut when you have a stack of people on hand to question you can always pick the best at doing micro expressions.Mar 12 11:57
oiaohmOf course you could have a lot of fun painting white dots all over there face to make the expressions simpler to track.  schestowitzMar 12 11:58
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-Check-Mandriva-944358.htmlMar 12 12:01
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schestowitzoiaohm: I guess soMar 12 12:01
schestowitzIs it done already?Mar 12 12:01
schestowitzFirst Fedora 13 Linux Alpha Shows Promise  http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/03/first-fedora-13-linux-alpha-sh.htmlMar 12 12:02
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schestowitzFedora impresses meMar 12 12:02
schestowitz*LOL* http://lwn.net/Articles/376637/Mar 12 12:04
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oiaohmFunding in micro expression research as has been lacking.  schestowitz.    So most micro expression work still work with finding human so call wizards.  Who can see the expressions in real time.   But those people are extreamally rare.Mar 12 12:06
schestowitzhttp://www.handlewithlinux.com/linux-powered-synthesizerMar 12 12:06
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schestowitzoiaohm: mostly geometryMar 12 12:06
oiaohm50 out of 20 000 people.Mar 12 12:06
schestowitzLots of scalingMar 12 12:06
schestowitzNo simple taskMar 12 12:06
schestowitzDifferent cheek sizes, many dots to track, consideration of questionMar 12 12:07
oiaohmWho can do it better than 80 percent correct.Mar 12 12:07
schestowitzI guess you can do an estimation of what the expression at any given time tells based on previous statesMar 12 12:07
oiaohmReally face id software can allow for different shaped face.Mar 12 12:07
schestowitzBut it's not an easy problem and it needs a lot of training of a model based on human assessmentMar 12 12:07
schestowitzHow do you train a model for anger?Mar 12 12:08
schestowitzWhat is anger?Mar 12 12:08
schestowitzAre all people responding in the same way?Mar 12 12:08
schestowitzCan you check in a brain scanner that there is REAL anger?Mar 12 12:08
oiaohmYes all people respond the same way at micro level.Mar 12 12:08
schestowitzNot just a person there FAKING it to train the model?Mar 12 12:08
oiaohmFrom all studies.Mar 12 12:08
oiaohmBasically natural human hardwired responce.Mar 12 12:08
schestowitzAnimals' tooMar 12 12:09
oiaohmHas not been checked against animals but it could be.Mar 12 12:09
oiaohmFaking is extreamally hard todo.Mar 12 12:09
oiaohmAt micro expression level.Mar 12 12:09
oiaohmNormally its not exactly fake eitehr.Mar 12 12:10
oiaohmCorrect micro expression displayed then the fake follows.Mar 12 12:10
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Simon-Phipps-elected-as-OSI-director-952396.htmlMar 12 12:10
schestowitzThis is goodMar 12 12:10
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schestowitzI'm in good terms with himMar 12 12:10
schestowitzI knew he was quitting Oracle a week before he announced it Mar 12 12:10
oiaohmCatch is human eyes not good enough to detect fake.Mar 12 12:11
oiaohmHigh speed cams are more than fast enough to tell if the responce was fake or not.   schestowitzMar 12 12:11
schestowitzoiaohm: pupil tracking?Mar 12 12:11
schestowitzSinceremetr :-)Mar 12 12:12
oiaohmpupil is normally not used.Mar 12 12:12
schestowitzBlinking?Mar 12 12:12
oiaohmHuman eyes can be tracking for lots of different reasons.Mar 12 12:12
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oiaohmmussles of the face are far more dependable.Mar 12 12:12
oiaohmOther thing that makes it harder is a beared.Mar 12 12:13
oiaohmSo yes clean shaving target helps.Mar 12 12:13
oiaohmdisgust, anger, fear, sadness, happiness, surprise, and contempt.  << That is the complete list of micro expression you have to work with.Mar 12 12:15
schestowitzhttp://www.his.com/~pshapiro/briefbio.htmlMar 12 12:16
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schestowitzDidn't know about this....Mar 12 12:16
schestowitzoiaohm: we do this hereMar 12 12:16
schestowitzFace recognitionMar 12 12:16
schestowitzBut it's not enoughMar 12 12:16
schestowitzIt's not subtle stuffMar 12 12:16
schestowitzThings like smiling are easyMar 12 12:17
schestowitzIt's the tiny things that are hard to pickMar 12 12:17
schestowitzBased on shadowsMar 12 12:17
oiaohmReason why sticking a stack of dots on face in the right location would help.Mar 12 12:17
oiaohmEven black dot's.  Ie permintate tattoo them.Mar 12 12:19
oiaohmAt least it would be useful torture.Mar 12 12:19
schestowitzhttp://madhatter.ca/2010/03/10/alice-in-wonderland-3d-masterpiece/Mar 12 12:24
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schestowitz"Mar 12 12:24
schestowitzThe problem with going to a theatre is that the pain can be atrocious. The seats are uncomfortable, very uncomfortable, for someone who suffers from chronic pain. And my wife and daughter made the reservations the night before, so when I woke up hurting badly I was stuck with them.Mar 12 12:24
schestowitzSo I popped a lot of pills, and went. And kept on popping pills. So there are parts of the movie I don’t remember all that well. Quite frankly I was so stoned that this isn’t a movie review. It is however a technology review.Mar 12 12:24
schestowitz"Mar 12 12:24
schestowitzoiaohm: white dotsMar 12 12:24
schestowitzFor darker skinMar 12 12:24
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100122/1024367874.shtmlMar 12 12:25
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schestowitzRemember the black guy who accused HP of racismMar 12 12:25
schestowitzCause their web cam app wouldn't detect his face?Mar 12 12:25
schestowitzIt was a viral video on YouTube a few months abckMar 12 12:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is a great example of how ideas and works inspire everywhere http://ur1.ca/pdh0 #sharingMar 12 12:32
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schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704784904575111652626885876.htmlMar 12 12:36
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oiaohmRemember Face gives you seven different responces where lie detectors are only following one.   Ie face you always have more information to work with.Mar 12 12:36
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oiaohmhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100311191426105  If SCO wins results could be major mess for copyright.Mar 12 13:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Its time to start #boycotting the #London #Olympics http://ur1.ca/pdjz #douchebagsMar 12 13:02
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #French village went #insane after #CIA spiked its bread with #LSD http://ur1.ca/pdf1 #douchebagsMar 12 13:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Watching and enjoying this new talk from Lessig in Italy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe2UsBXr-lsMar 12 13:08
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oiaohmOk that is odd  Diablo-D3 what OS.  Most I have not see go -Mar 12 13:32
Diablo-D3linuxMar 12 13:34
Diablo-D3experimental hypervisor is fucking with the timeMar 12 13:34
schestowitzoiaohm: you saw this.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKmGTVmqJsMar 12 13:39
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: why not link to the actual video at TED??Mar 12 13:40
schestowitzDon't know the URLMar 12 13:41
oiaohmI have seen that and I have the video from TED.  TED is on my local isp filemirrorMar 12 13:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Mark Owen of Take That gets drunk and laid a lot http://newstechnica.com/?p=1864Mar 12 13:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eeek!Boss has new Ubuntu laptop,wants something to listen to.I installed gpodder and he's now listening to @UUPC :SMar 12 14:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Boss says 'sounds good, good audio environment, bit treble-y, maybe turn the treble down a bit'.Listening on Sennheisers on Advent laptop.Mar 12 14:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Apparently I should be on hospital radio! I am not sure if this is good or bad. @ivanBrackenbury springs to mind!Mar 12 14:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Apparently with 30K downloads per episode we should "Feel like Freddy Mercury on stage on the mic in Brazil".Not sure how to take that.Mar 12 14:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] And back down to earth with "I think you'd have to be pretty interested in Ubuntu to listen to all of these!"Mar 12 14:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Why Jordanians Should Be Against ACTA > JOSA: http://tinyurl.com/yl395wcMar 12 14:32
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schestowitzSo the CIA gave the French its own bread by mistake........Mar 12 14:53
Diablo-D3I love how ACTA is basically fuckedMar 12 14:54
Diablo-D3the european union has basically rejected it in fullMar 12 14:54
Diablo-D3and I can see whyMar 12 14:54
Diablo-D3many nations, in their charter document, reject any form of foreign ruleMar 12 14:55
Diablo-D3and this tantamount to thatMar 12 14:55
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schestowitzYeah.Mar 12 15:24
schestowitzThere is HopeMar 12 15:25
schestowitzhttp://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2010/03/obama-reiterates-support-for-f.phpMar 12 15:25
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schestowitzAlso new: http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=obama_congress_wink_at_massive_surveillance_abusesMar 12 15:25
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schestowitz"Oh!! Obama, I vote for you,... How COULD you??? *sobs* "Mar 12 15:25
schestowitz'You said, "yes we can!!"'Mar 12 15:26
schestowitzWho's WE? :-)Mar 12 15:26
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Omar87schestowitz, pingMar 12 15:38
Omar87schestowitz,  check this out: http://tinyurl.com/yl395wcMar 12 15:38
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MinceRhttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/04/1728214/IO-Data-Licenses-Microsofts-Linux-Patents?from=rssMar 12 16:30
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schestowitzOmar87: I saw thatMar 12 16:47
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] when i asked for hugs in #twitter. My fellow tweeps are sending me #twugs Awesome;spread the love :)Mar 12 17:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lib Dems Sell Out to the British #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/pekr http://ur1.ca/peksMar 12 17:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ballnux Users Discovers #PCLinuxOS 2010 http://forums.opensuse.org/general-chit-chat/434865-pclinuxos-2010-beta-fantastic.htmlMar 12 17:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been offline since Tuesday....why? O2 Broadband let me down... Very bad #fail. Now Ive got loads to catch up onMar 12 17:34
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Google App store looks promising: http://tinyurl.com/yaz27l8 #openstandards /via @ManishSinhaMar 12 17:37
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schestowitzback in a momentMar 12 17:38
schestowitzKDE leaks too much in two weeksMar 12 17:38
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 17:39
WireWulfdamned that KDEMar 12 17:39
WireWulfand its windows version aeroMar 12 17:39
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schestowitz> ITV player won't play in FF, Chrome or Opera. It played a video onceMar 12 18:00
schestowitz> inn FF and then refused to run. I get audio but no video. The strangeMar 12 18:00
schestowitz> thing is, I played the video half way through in FF and when I triedMar 12 18:00
schestowitz> it again in Chrome it prompted to 'resume' at the same place. How doesMar 12 18:00
schestowitz> it remember, as I cleared all cookies.Mar 12 18:00
schestowitz> Mar 12 18:00
schestowitz> Check it out would you ..Mar 12 18:00
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Support freedom of speech in the UK. sign the petition to change the libel law http://bit.ly/c22GMVMar 12 18:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! The Internet as a Human Right - http://shotofjaq.org/2010/03/internet-as-a-human-right/ what do you think? #shotofjaqMar 12 18:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz After he confessed to nymshifting one has to wonder...does he think people have forgotten?Mar 12 18:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Maybe the Da Costa name has become too toxic to use? I see now he's pimping Window 7 competitions..Mar 12 18:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @DaemonFC I'd say donate, but don't point the finger at the RIAA for "taking a cut" if you are downloading for free. Theres a name for that.Mar 12 18:28
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_goblinbonjour all....Mar 12 18:29
_goblin2 days downtime....Mar 12 18:29
_goblindamn o2Mar 12 18:29
Omar87_goblin, hey! :DMar 12 18:43
_goblinHi!Mar 12 18:43
Omar87_goblin, buenos dias! :)Mar 12 18:43
Omar87_goblin: Man! Rey Mysterio never seizes to amaze me! :DMar 12 18:44
Omar87I loved how he managed to serve yet another bowl of misery to C M Punk and his goon Gallows. :PMar 12 18:45
_goblinif you watch Luche Libre you would find him boring....Mar 12 18:45
_goblinNever been impressed with Rey.Mar 12 18:46
Omar87_goblin, actually I watched to of his matches against The Great Khali.Mar 12 18:46
_goblinNow Mr Anderson......he's a big star in the making...Mar 12 18:46
Omar87two*Mar 12 18:46
Omar87Mr. Anderson?Mar 12 18:46
_goblinHe was called Mr Kennedy in the WWE.Mar 12 18:46
_goblinhe is now in TNAMar 12 18:47
MinceRWelcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.Mar 12 18:47
Omar87_goblin, I really enjoy watching Rey defeat opponents who are 10 times his size.Mar 12 18:47
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Building an opensource business: http://opensource.com/business/10/3/building-open-source-businessMar 12 18:47
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_goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6v8yeB0tXcMar 12 18:47
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_goblinMind you, Wrestlemania will be quite good this year I think.Mar 12 18:49
_goblinUndi v HBK ......Mar 12 18:50
_goblinUndi might be as silly as hell and can't wrestle for anything but he does a good match with HBKMar 12 18:50
_goblinand you know Jericho and Edge will be a good match.Mar 12 18:51
Omar87_goblin, can he really flip his eyeballs? Or is this some kind of an optical trick?Mar 12 18:51
_goblinI think he can..Mar 12 18:51
Omar87_goblin, of course.Mar 12 18:51
_goblinyou know at the Elimination chamber Undi's ring entrance set him alight?Mar 12 18:52
_goblinfirst time in Undi's life he got to the ring in less than a minute......Mar 12 18:52
Omar87_goblin, didn't watch that.Mar 12 18:52
Omar87_goblin, lolMar 12 18:52
_goblinUndi found the need to put out the flames was more important than spending 20mins walking into the ring.Mar 12 18:53
Omar87_goblin, yeah.Mar 12 18:54
Omar87I think he's really extremely boring. imho.Mar 12 18:54
_goblinagreed.Mar 12 18:54
_goblinHe's one of the last embarassing relics of the old WWF.Mar 12 18:55
Omar87I think some like Rey Mysterio won't find a problem defeating him.Mar 12 18:55
Omar87That's right.Mar 12 18:55
MinceRit all depends on the script :>Mar 12 18:55
_goblinwhat script?Mar 12 18:55
Omar87And HBK really oversizes him.Mar 12 18:55
_goblinyou saying wrestling is fake?Mar 12 18:55
_goblinmincer: ;)Mar 12 18:55
MinceR;)Mar 12 18:56
Omar87_goblin, btw, is it really fake?Mar 12 18:56
_goblinMind you wrestling is no more fake than a Microsoft's shill's praise of Windows 7Mar 12 18:56
Omar87_goblin, I totally agree.Mar 12 18:56
_goblintalking of MS.....Mar 12 18:57
_goblinBong is really getting some ad time on SKY TV.Mar 12 18:57
Omar87LOLMar 12 18:58
MinceRhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KayfabeMar 12 18:58
MinceR:>Mar 12 18:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New reasons for #developers and defenders of #Apple to reconsider their position http://ur1.ca/pf6d #swpatMar 12 19:08
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rnbhellloooMar 12 19:12
_goblinMincer: You have totally destroyed my watching of wrestling.... ;) Next you will say Santa Claus doesnt exist.....Mar 12 19:17
MinceRyeah, next time i willMar 12 19:18
MinceR;)Mar 12 19:18
Omar87_goblin, yeah man. That's right. Santa Clause is no more than a myth, believe it or not. :)Mar 12 19:21
Omar87rnb, Hey!Mar 12 19:21
_goblin....I won't listen anymore ;) Santa Clause is real, there is a toothfairy and....Windows 7 is secure!!! ;)Mar 12 19:21
Omar87_goblin, LOL! :DMar 12 19:22
MinceRlolMar 12 19:22
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfMar 12 19:22
_goblin....got to find myself some material to post about on Openbytes.....Mar 12 19:23
Omar87_goblin, Pop-up question! "If Santa Clause is real, why doesn't it (he) show up in person?" :DMar 12 19:23
_goblinhe does! (as far as my kids are concerned!) they saw him at the local shopping mall.Mar 12 19:24
_goblinand then again at the local school....Mar 12 19:24
WireWulfo/Mar 12 19:24
Omar87lolMar 12 19:24
_goblinand coincidently at the same time at the local public hall.....(as well as 4 duplicate helpers)Mar 12 19:24
_goblinhe gets about a bit that old santa..Mar 12 19:24
WireWulfsanta omg Mar 12 19:25
_goblinsteady.Mar 12 19:25
Omar87_goblin, Please be honest: "Was it really really him or was some one else dressed like him?" ;-)Mar 12 19:25
_goblinhe aint coming for about 9 months yet.Mar 12 19:25
WireWulfchristmas is a christin holiday xDMar 12 19:25
_goblinif you want it to be.Mar 12 19:25
_goblinXmas is for everyoneMar 12 19:25
WireWulfnahMar 12 19:26
_goblingiving of gifts....yule logs and all that.Mar 12 19:26
WireWulfjust a day of the weekMar 12 19:26
_goblinbased on a generous chap droping gifts down chimneys.Mar 12 19:26
_goblinyou don't need to be christian to own a chimney......ergo anyone can enjoy xmas.Mar 12 19:26
*WireWulf doesnt have a fire placeMar 12 19:27
_goblinWireWulf: ah....Mar 12 19:27
_goblinWireWulf: letterbox?Mar 12 19:27
Omar87_goblin, If the Chirstmas is about the birth of Jesus Christ (PBUH). What's the significance of a mythical creature dropping gifts from the sky?Mar 12 19:28
WireWulfOmar87: for fun and profitMar 12 19:28
WireWulflike everythingMar 12 19:29
_goblinomar87: Good question.....It was some saint dropping gifts down the poors chimney at xmas.....or something like that.....Mar 12 19:29
_goblinwirewulf: I hope you are not from BoycottXmas.comMar 12 19:29
WireWulf_goblin: i am from boycott apple <.<Mar 12 19:29
WireWulf>.>Mar 12 19:29
Omar87_goblin, I mean is it really proper to lie at your kids about the existence of a mythical creature in the birthday of the Holiest person in Christian faith?Mar 12 19:30
_goblinomar87: simple answer.....Mar 12 19:30
_goblinomar87: yesMar 12 19:30
WireWulfOmar87: duh nevar tell your kids the truthMar 12 19:30
_goblinomar87: it helps with the other mythical creatures that stop them doing things dangerous.Mar 12 19:31
Omar87WireWulf, _goblin, exactly. Just the answers I needed. :)Mar 12 19:31
WireWulfOmar87: i don't have kids cant you tellMar 12 19:31
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 19:31
WireWulf>.>Mar 12 19:31
_goblinomar87: like the never talk to strangers or careful to cross the road...Mar 12 19:31
*WireWulf notes everyone is a stranger till you talk to themMar 12 19:32
_goblinvery trueMar 12 19:32
_goblinand some are still "strange" even after you talk to them.Mar 12 19:32
Omar87_goblin, so lying is not prohibited in Christianity?Mar 12 19:33
_goblinomar87: I think it is, but Im not really a christian.Mar 12 19:33
WireWulfit isMar 12 19:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Pays for #Linux #Phones to Redirect Users to Microsoft http://ur1.ca/pfaw #canonical #motorolaMar 12 19:33
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WireWulfbut we still lieMar 12 19:33
_goblinI was being flippant of course....Mar 12 19:33
WireWulfomg M$ buying linuxx phonesMar 12 19:34
_goblinbut I would say that just like you wouldn't explain what COULD happen if they were to walk off with a stranger in graphic detail, you tell little lies to protect them from things.Mar 12 19:34
Omar87WireWulf, so why did you just say "Never tell your kids the truth."? Isn't that a form of lying? And during what? During the birthday of Jesus Christ?Mar 12 19:34
Omar87Himself?Mar 12 19:34
WireWulfOmar87: Nevar tell your kids the truth <reason: they already know, 2 it makes them depressed>Mar 12 19:35
_goblinomar87: you have probably hit upon a point, however the story of gifts dropping down chimneys is expected to be believed and based on christrian generousity so the fact that one quantifies it with a man with a white beard doesn;t make it a lie, simply understandable for children.Mar 12 19:35
_goblinand a demonstration of the miracle of generousity,Mar 12 19:36
WireWulfkids love old pplMar 12 19:36
WireWulfand bunnys Mar 12 19:36
_goblinand Rory the Racing Car.Mar 12 19:36
_goblin(in my house anyway)Mar 12 19:36
WireWulfnew holiday?Mar 12 19:37
WireWulfo yeah and dead pplzMar 12 19:37
WireWulfznd the militar.police,and firefightersMar 12 19:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik geloof dat het uit is tussen "Julian" en mij. Ik heb zijn scriptie gemaakt en ben nu overbodig. Heb nog even met hem gechat...Mar 12 19:37
_goblinwirewulf: very true.Mar 12 19:38
Omar87_goblin, WireWulf so again, why lying to little children about the existence of Santa Clause, instead of simply teaching them about the ultimate generosity of God himself?Mar 12 19:38
_goblinbecause the story of gifts down chimneys was supposed to be true in itself.Mar 12 19:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ... Vroeg me "wanneer ik hem weer eens goed wilde pijpen..." Ja hallo!!! Ik dacht dat we voornamelijk Geek vrienden waren.Mar 12 19:39
_goblinand infact Xmas has a basis in the pagan religion.Mar 12 19:39
WireWulfOmar87: becuz kids are easily thought with ppl other then there mum's and dadsMar 12 19:39
Omar87WireWulf,  I don't believe that's psychologically true.Mar 12 19:40
WireWulfhalloween is my favorit holiday Mar 12 19:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Domme gans die ik ben, zo boos op mezelf :-(Mar 12 19:40
_goblinagain, with a pagan basis.Mar 12 19:41
WireWulf_goblin: celtic new year :PMar 12 19:41
_goblinChristianity is a bit late to the party with many of its teaching and festivals when you look back into distant history.Mar 12 19:42
WireWulfhalloween in christin believe xis a day to make fun of the Evils Mar 12 19:42
Omar87WireWulf, instead of filly kids' minds with mythical stories about non-existent characters, I think it would be much better teaching them to read the bible and understand it. Because that would make much more sense in the birthday of their "God".Mar 12 19:42
_goblinJesus was not god.Mar 12 19:42
_goblinHe was the "son of"Mar 12 19:43
_goblinand infact in some faiths he was nothing more than a prophet.Mar 12 19:43
WireWulfOmar87: mosyt christins havent even read the bibleMar 12 19:43
Omar87_goblin, Which is true.Mar 12 19:43
Omar87WireWulf, and is that a good thing?Mar 12 19:43
WireWulfhints why some say jesus was godMar 12 19:43
WireWulfOmar87: nopeMar 12 19:43
_goblinI do believe in god and have a faith, but it is made up of many different faiths.....Mar 12 19:44
Omar87WireWulf, so how do these people call themselves "Christians"?Mar 12 19:44
WireWulfthats is why holidays mean less to human beingxs then they use toMar 12 19:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Hoop dat ie de tyfus krijgt. Domme ouwe kasnicht, cowarrd, luser, windummy ;-pMar 12 19:44
WireWulfOmar87: they go to a church for social time normalyMar 12 19:44
WireWulfor there parents were christinMar 12 19:45
Omar87WireWulf, btw the way, by saying "Most christins havent even read the bible", which bible are you talking about exactly?Mar 12 19:45
WireWulfthe bible as in the christin bibleMar 12 19:46
Omar87WireWulf, which Christian bible?Mar 12 19:46
_goblinI think the movie Startrek 5 got it right............... "One God, many faces"Mar 12 19:46
WireWulfOmar87: believe it or not there is only one christin bibleMar 12 19:46
Omar87WireWulf, 'coz ya know, there's more than 27 totally different of versions of it.Mar 12 19:46
Omar87WireWulf, are you sure?Mar 12 19:47
WireWulfmmhmmMar 12 19:47
_goblinsounds like Windows 7.......Mar 12 19:47
_goblinmaybe theres not 27 versions....but its close.Mar 12 19:47
WireWulfthe king james bible is the only version of the bible that is christin Mar 12 19:47
Omar87WireWulf, some other Christian people can't simply agree with you.Mar 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] LOL, moet er zelf hartelijk om lachen. Tok, tok, tok alweer een ei :-DMar 12 19:48
WireWulfOmar87: bapist, methitis, catholics, eve anglicals, and the rest use the same bibleMar 12 19:49
_goblinwow...BN chat.....gone from Wrestling to Santa Claus to religion.......who says we only talk IT here>Mar 12 19:49
WireWulfthe biggist difference is how you actMar 12 19:49
WireWulfbapist can are not suppost to danceMar 12 19:50
WireWulfsoutheren bapist are not allowed to have sexx b4 marriage (tho not really enforced anymore)Mar 12 19:50
WireWulfthat is the main differents is what they call books of dictorens (the way you have to act inside and outside church)Mar 12 19:51
Omar87WireWulf, so basically, who wrote the Bible?Mar 12 19:52
WireWulf_goblin: win7 is to flashy (like mac) for my tasteMar 12 19:52
WireWulfOmar87: not sureMar 12 19:52
_goblinit was re-written.Mar 12 19:52
_goblinold testament.Mar 12 19:53
_goblinthats the originalMar 12 19:53
Omar87WireWulf, you aren't sure who wrote the word of God? How's that possible?Mar 12 19:53
WireWulfhow ever it was translated by king james court for christins to be able to readMar 12 19:53
WireWulfOmar87: i am not really chrisxtinMar 12 19:53
Omar87WireWulf, so then what are you?Mar 12 19:54
WireWulfOmar87: unsure what you would call itMar 12 19:54
_goblinwirewulf: I tested it for 3 months in a comparison with a slack' distro.....no competition...Wolvix won hands down...its the first time Id used Windows in the home for quite some time.Mar 12 19:54
WireWulf_goblin: i have win7 on my lappyMar 12 19:55
_goblinwirewulf: Im sorry to hear that.Mar 12 19:55
WireWulfbut there is hope for linux as miniX supports my wifi card nowMar 12 19:55
WireWulf_goblin: it is no biggie i use my linux based desktop moreMar 12 19:56
_goblinIve been running Elive now for a few week....I am beginning to love Enlightenment as my main DE.Mar 12 19:56
_goblinxfce used to be my choice..Mar 12 19:57
WireWulfi use openbox w. gnome libsMar 12 19:57
WireWulfwail gnome and KDE libsMar 12 19:57
WireWulfso i can run anything i want or needMar 12 19:58
_goblinSince Gnome is moving more towards Mono and I can't like KDE, I am left looking at the others for alternatives.....and no bad thing....there are some great DE's out there now that are mature and fast as hell.Mar 12 19:58
Ender2070KDE rocksMar 12 19:58
MinceRindeedMar 12 19:58
_goblinI wish I liked KDE.Mar 12 19:58
WireWulfKDE sucksMar 12 19:59
WireWulfrox isnt that mature yet but it is pretty smallMar 12 19:59
_goblinits really strange, I can't give a concrete reason for not liking KDE other than a list of words that pop into my head when I use it.Mar 12 19:59
MinceRdoes that list hurt you? :>Mar 12 20:00
WireWulfto shiny bogs down my computerMar 12 20:00
_goblinyeah.....Mar 12 20:00
_goblingoes in through my ear.Mar 12 20:00
WireWulffeel the same about gnomeMar 12 20:00
WireWulfto shiny bogs down my systemMar 12 20:00
_goblinyou see I love Gnome....or I would if it wasn't for Mono relationship...Mar 12 20:01
Ender2070i used to like gnome tooMar 12 20:01
_goblinhowever for others (new users) I would always recommend Gnome.....rock solid DE.Mar 12 20:01
Ender2070i need to see progress in something thoughMar 12 20:01
Ender2070i like new featuresMar 12 20:01
_goblinI don't like change.Mar 12 20:01
_goblinand I don't like "bling"....thats maybe why I can't get on with KDE.Mar 12 20:02
WireWulf_goblin: lxde is what i say for new users alotMar 12 20:02
_goblinKDE for me has far too much of a blingy MS appearance for my liking....Mar 12 20:02
WireWulf_goblin: KDE was that way befor M$ got them to code aero :PMar 12 20:03
_goblinI am not saying it wasn'tMar 12 20:03
_goblinbut it just reminds me of MS tech regardless of who came first.Mar 12 20:03
MinceRkde can be configured to have minimal blingMar 12 20:04
schestowitzOr BingoMar 12 20:04
_goblinIm sure.....but then why not just default a different DE thats lighter in the first place/Mar 12 20:04
schestowitzSome people would be underwhelmedMar 12 20:04
schestowitzSome suggest the oppositeMar 12 20:04
_goblinFluxbox is another good choice.Mar 12 20:04
schestowitzMake it a peacockMar 12 20:04
MinceRif one needs a reason, then a reason could be a feature that's missing from the lighter DEMar 12 20:04
_goblinyeah, each to their own.Mar 12 20:05
WireWulffluxxbox :)Mar 12 20:05
_goblinfirst tried that with #CBL!Mar 12 20:05
WireWulftwm as rootMar 12 20:05
WireWulfand xige as adminMar 12 20:05
WireWulfi have for wm's on my system go figureMar 12 20:06
WireWulfhttp://lxde.org/lxde_desktop <<< what i tell new users to use as it looks like windows XPMar 12 20:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: LXDE Desktop | LXDE.org .::. Size~: 9.56 KBMar 12 20:08
MinceRxpde looks more like winxp :>Mar 12 20:09
Diablo-D3xfce > lxdeMar 12 20:10
WireWulfyou could use cdeMar 12 20:11
Diablo-D3your momMar 12 20:11
MinceRyes, even your mom could use cde!Mar 12 20:11
MinceR;)Mar 12 20:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft MVP Miguel de Icaza Leaves #CodePlex Foundation Board http://ur1.ca/pfhe #mono #trojan #novellMar 12 20:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft MVP Miguel de Icaza Leaves CodePlex Foundation Board | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.67 KBMar 12 20:11
WireWulfor jd4xMar 12 20:12
WireWulfor udeMar 12 20:14
MinceRor enlightenmentMar 12 20:15
_goblinthats my choice.Mar 12 20:15
WireWulfmy mum uses windozeMar 12 20:15
_goblinde Icaza leaves Codeplex.....?   Doesn't make much difference to it though....Mar 12 20:15
MinceRyour mum's using windows in hell!Mar 12 20:15
MinceR_goblin: doesn'tMar 12 20:16
_goblinMVP Icaza is now tainted with the MS branding......I don't think his future is with FOSS.Mar 12 20:16
_goblinwhy would anyone think an MVP award is a good thing?Mar 12 20:16
MinceRbecause of the indoctrination they were subjected toMar 12 20:17
_goblinthe shame and stigma of it....Mar 12 20:17
_goblinMVP - "Im Microsoft Approved" award.Mar 12 20:17
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WireWulfMVP = M$ Values this Person awardMar 12 20:18
WireWulfand by values i mean what them on their team as M$ is scaredMar 12 20:19
_goblinbtw.....Mar 12 20:19
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 20:19
_goblintheres a WWE wrestler called MVP.........he doens't shill for Microsoft though.Mar 12 20:19
_goblinjust to bring back in my favorite topic.....Mar 12 20:19
WireWulfwrestling :(Mar 12 20:20
_goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNtCMH2CLQMar 12 20:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- MVP Theme Song - Im Comin (add me hellblazercustomtron) .::. Size~: 118.87 KBMar 12 20:21
WireWulf:(Mar 12 20:22
WireWulfsony wants use to hack PSP's i swair Mar 12 20:22
WireWulfthey make it easyMar 12 20:22
WireWulf<.<Mar 12 20:22
WireWulf>.>Mar 12 20:22
_goblinoff topic......after 2 days offline...Ive accumulated quite a few emails of hate in regards to my piracy articles.Mar 12 20:22
DaemonFCMost Valuable Professional = Pawn making us a lot of money in this categoryMar 12 20:22
_goblinand that twitter list trying to insult me....Mar 12 20:23
_goblininfact I'd go as far to say that even Mono doesn't generate as much bad feeling as a talk on piracy.Mar 12 20:23
WireWulf_goblin: WHAT IS YOUR CALL ON PIRACY?Mar 12 20:23
_goblinlol...Mar 12 20:23
_goblinhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/davenport-lyonsacs-law-to-get-their-very-own-warning-letter/Mar 12 20:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Davenport & Lyons/ACS Law to get their very own warning letter? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 60.58 KBMar 12 20:23
_goblinthats my most recent article.Mar 12 20:24
_goblinalthough I think the hate comes from this one:Mar 12 20:24
_goblinhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/if-they-are-doing-it-so-can-we-riaa-v-file-sharers-again/Mar 12 20:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: If they are doing it, so can we?  RIAA v File sharers (again) «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 63.78 KBMar 12 20:24
DaemonFCYay, Indicator has my picture in it finallyMar 12 20:25
WireWulfi dont do anything illegal w/ cfwMar 12 20:26
WireWulfjust run homebrew appsMar 12 20:27
WireWulfi am out again catch ya laterZMar 12 20:27
*WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-awayMar 12 20:27
_goblinah...Mr DeamonFC...Ive answered you on Twitter....My broadband was down for the last two days.Mar 12 20:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: your mayor in in BN's front pageMar 12 20:34
schestowitzWhat the heck is he doing there?Mar 12 20:34
DaemonFCwhat?Mar 12 20:34
schestowitzDemonstrating dronyismMar 12 20:34
schestowitz*CrMar 12 20:34
MinceRcronyism of drones?Mar 12 20:34
DaemonFCthe hell?Mar 12 20:35
DaemonFCbeing ominous and attacking free software?Mar 12 20:36
DaemonFCour mayor?Mar 12 20:38
schestowitzTHe server has load issuesMar 12 20:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't think he's that smartMar 12 20:38
schestowitzI wish we have the cache backMar 12 20:38
DaemonFChe just masturbates to porn on city computersMar 12 20:39
DaemonFCWindows is awesome for himMar 12 20:39
schestowitzNoMar 12 20:39
schestowitzIt gets malwareMar 12 20:39
schestowitzWindows and pr0n don't mixMar 12 20:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, He got investigated by the state police a while back for inappropriately viewing email of city employeesMar 12 20:39
DaemonFCand other elected officialsMar 12 20:40
DaemonFCthey let him go of courseMar 12 20:40
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schestowitzAhhh...Mar 12 20:43
schestowitzMaybe he thought they got pr0n by mailMar 12 20:44
schestowitzHe was 'on the case'Mar 12 20:44
Omar87schestowitz, any news about sharepoint?Mar 12 20:46
schestowitzNot reallyMar 12 20:50
schestowitzJust lumpwareMar 12 20:50
schestowitzLumping lots of Microsoft junkMar 12 20:50
schestowitzTrying to shovel it up some companiesMar 12 20:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Latest Harms to the Web and Shallow Press Coverage That Neglects to Name Culprits http://ur1.ca/pfngMar 12 20:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft fights /information/ about its problems rather than fight the problems themselves. It's cheaper.Mar 12 20:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts Latest Harms to the Web and Shallow Press Coverage That Neglects to Name Culprits | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.75 KBMar 12 20:50
DaemonFC"<schestowitz> Maybe he thought they got pr0n by mail <schestowitz> He was 'on the case"Mar 12 20:53
DaemonFCHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Mar 12 20:53
DaemonFCgood oneMar 12 20:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, a lot of us are trying to get the county to step in and stop himMar 12 20:54
DaemonFCproblem is their power over the city government is limitedMar 12 20:54
Omar87schestowitz, what never seizes to disgust me is how some people are drooling about it.Mar 12 20:57
Omar87schestowitz, specifically here in Jordan.Mar 12 20:58
DaemonFChttp://www.southbendtribune.com/article/20100312/Opinion/3120377/1064/OpinionMar 12 20:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: South Bend Tribune: The other side of eliminating township government .::. Size~: 45.64 KBMar 12 20:59
DaemonFChehMar 12 20:59
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43799#comment-13134Mar 12 20:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: today's leftovers: | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 36.73 KBMar 12 20:59
DaemonFCyeah, I actually live in Bowerstown, but it's an incorporated township of Huntington CityMar 12 20:59
schestowitzOmar87: drooling is goodMar 12 20:59
DaemonFCso most people living in Bowerstown don't even know it existsMar 12 20:59
schestowitzIt'll melt the serverMar 12 20:59
DaemonFC:PMar 12 20:59
Omar87schestowitz, lol :)Mar 12 21:00
Omar87Oh, and actually it should've been "What never ceases* to disgust me...".Mar 12 21:02
schestowitzhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ax6BgdvyHx8c&pos=6 http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1596204/novell-asset-strippedMar 12 21:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Elliott Said to Consider Sale of Unit If Bid Succeeds (Update1)  - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 32.95 KBMar 12 21:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle:                     Novell will be asset stripped  - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 55.77 KBMar 12 21:04
schestowitzNovell is historyMar 12 21:04
schestowitzTHis is funny: http://yokozar.org/blog/archives/194 what DaemonFC complained aboutMar 12 21:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YokoZars Writings  » Blog Archive   » Its time to fix the window controls .::. Size~: 63.22 KBMar 12 21:05
Omar87schestowitz: LOL. What if Red Hat buys Novell? :PMar 12 21:06
DaemonFCschestowitz, The bug complaining about it is "triaged"Mar 12 21:08
DaemonFCmight mean they'll change itMar 12 21:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Downloadverbod? zijn de wittebrood criminelen nou helemaal van de pot gerukt?Mar 12 21:12
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQpU-FAXXY&feature=player_embedded Openballnux on TVMar 12 21:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Genitori e figli - Trailer ufficiale .::. Size~: 119.1 KBMar 12 21:14
schestowitzOmar87: they can't and won'tMar 12 21:14
Omar87schestowitz, I'm just joking.Mar 12 21:15
schestowitzhttp://twitpic.com/182spsMar 12 21:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Look Ma #opensuse is on film - http://is.gd/ak9bH 1m:40s on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.57 KBMar 12 21:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Download legale vrije muziek NU: http://www.simuzie.nlMar 12 21:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 12 21:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, Disinformation Week says XBOX 360 sales outdo PS3 and Wii this quarterMar 12 21:16
Omar87schestowitz: However, after how Oracle bought Sun, I really can't see anything as "impossible" anymore.Mar 12 21:16
DaemonFCI doubt thatMar 12 21:16
schestowitzMacheads spin:Mar 12 21:16
schestowitzWolf, in a new note to investors, said the open source community is "hopelessly confused." He said the open source movement came from the academic community, where ideas are freely exchanged. But things don't work like that in the business world.Mar 12 21:16
schestowitzhttp://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/12/open_source_community_hopelessly_confused_by_apple_htc_suit.htmlMar 12 21:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: AppleInsider | Open source community 'hopelessly confused' by Apple-HTC suit .::. Size~: 52.84 KBMar 12 21:16
schestowitzWhat a load of BSMar 12 21:16
schestowitzThey defend AppleMar 12 21:16
schestowitzDaemonFC: US?Mar 12 21:17
schestowitzNPdee?Mar 12 21:17
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DaemonFChttp://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/grid_cluster/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223800126&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_NewsMar 12 21:17
Omar87DaemonFC, they can yap all they want. That's what most journalists get paid for these days, ya know.Mar 12 21:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Xbox Sales Top Wii, PS3 -- Hardware -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 91.25 KBMar 12 21:17
DaemonFC"Six months after being named the most unreliable video game console, with a failure rate eight times that of the Nintendo Wii and more than twice that of the Sony PlayStation 3, Microsoft's Xbox is topping sales charts."Mar 12 21:17
DaemonFCheh, rightMar 12 21:17
schestowitzLies.Mar 12 21:17
schestowitzNPDMar 12 21:17
schestowitzThey said Linux had 4% in netbooksMar 12 21:17
schestowitzReality:Mar 12 21:17
schestowitz30%Mar 12 21:17
schestowitzro 40%Mar 12 21:17
Omar87schestowitz, exactly.Mar 12 21:18
schestowitzDisinformationWeek failMar 12 21:18
DaemonFC8 times the failure rate of the Wii is probably not accurate either, it's likely about twice thatMar 12 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oops, foute link, de juiste lin naar Legale vrije Muziek van Nederlandse artiesten is: http://www.simuze.nl/live/ (ik sta er ook bij LOL)Mar 12 21:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Simuze - gratis muziek downloaden, uploaden, luisteren en verspreiden. .::. Size~: 50.19 KBMar 12 21:18
schestowitzNPD has a logn history shilling for BallmerMar 12 21:18
_goblinI thought it was always 1% for linux?Mar 12 21:19
DaemonFCbrb, have to get my diet mt dew for the day :PMar 12 21:19
DaemonFCcaffeine!!!!Mar 12 21:19
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/09/microsoft-npd-group-connection/Mar 12 21:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft-NPD Connections | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 107.12 KBMar 12 21:19
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/07/vista-7-and-more-npd-lies/Mar 12 21:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Vista 7 Incompatibility Issues, Crashes, and More NPD Lies | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.46 KBMar 12 21:19
Omar87schestowitz, people like Preston Gralla and Hiner have nothing useful to do than sucking Ballmer's balls. (excuse me for the bad language, but that's the best description I could come up with)Mar 12 21:19
_goblinno matter how many people use it , it always 1% according to the MS faithful.Mar 12 21:19
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/26/idc-gartner-corruptible/Mar 12 21:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IDC, Gartner, NPD, and Other Corruptible Analysts | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.99 KBMar 12 21:19
schestowitzand http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/25/microsoft-npd-lies-and-fud/Mar 12 21:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft is Lying to the Public with NPD (Again) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.53 KBMar 12 21:19
schestowitzOmar87: yesMar 12 21:19
schestowitzThey are trash with legsMar 12 21:20
Omar87schestowitz, Yup.Mar 12 21:20
schestowitz_goblin: they are even contradicted by analysts of MicrosoftMar 12 21:20
schestowitzMicrosoft does not care about factsMar 12 21:20
schestowitzIt's a movementMar 12 21:20
schestowitzLike a religionMar 12 21:20
schestowitzThey share their mana (money)Mar 12 21:20
schestowitzAnd attack the threatsMar 12 21:21
_goblinSpeaking with many non-tech folks who are using Windows 7....all is not well....Mar 12 21:21
_goblinthe general consensus is "Its just as bad as Vista"Mar 12 21:21
_goblinlooks and works great the first couple of times.....connect to the net, install a few apps and it reveals its true form.Mar 12 21:22
Omar87_goblin, let's hope more sounds like these come to the surface.Mar 12 21:22
_goblinthese comments are coming from "average users" who already had their fill of Vista.Mar 12 21:23
schestowitzHmmmmm.    http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015323o-2000498448b,00.htmMar 12 21:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 112.29 KBMar 12 21:23
_goblinunfortunately I think its Apple that will reap the immediate benefits of MS disatisfaction.Mar 12 21:23
_goblin*dissatisfactionMar 12 21:24
Omar87_goblin, oh and remember: Vista had just the exact same form of hype during the couple few months that followed its release.Mar 12 21:24
_goblinyeah....Mar 12 21:24
_goblinI was a victim of VistaMar 12 21:24
schestowitz[21:21] <_goblin> the general consensus is "Its just as bad as Vista"Mar 12 21:24
schestowitzIt _is_Mar 12 21:24
_goblinits what changed me from a Linux dual booter to a Linux only.Mar 12 21:25
schestowitzJust. Vista.Mar 12 21:25
Omar87But it didn't take too long until the entire "Vista" dream had turned into a nasty nightmare.Mar 12 21:25
_goblinschestowitz: But the "average user" doesn't immediately know that.Mar 12 21:25
schestowitzof course notMar 12 21:25
schestowitzThey called it "Seven"Mar 12 21:25
schestowitzRenamingMar 12 21:25
schestowitzImagieryMar 12 21:25
schestowitzbrandingMar 12 21:25
Omar87_goblin, exactly.Mar 12 21:25
schestowitzAdtertising, advertising, advertising...Mar 12 21:25
_goblinbongs hitting SKY TV hard.Mar 12 21:26
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gYMar 12 21:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Ballmer: "advertising, advertising, advertising!" .::. Size~: 108.14 KBMar 12 21:26
_goblinI notice its still a "decision engine"Mar 12 21:26
schestowitzThey burn moneyMar 12 21:26
_goblinonly because that way they don't have to admit defeat to a search engine.Mar 12 21:26
schestowitzOver $2 bn per yearMar 12 21:26
schestowitzANd it should be probedMar 12 21:27
schestowitzFalse adveritisngMar 12 21:27
schestowitzThey say it's searchMar 12 21:27
schestowitzBut it's Microsoft's brainwashMar 12 21:27
schestowitzThey should say thatMar 12 21:27
schestowitzWe just organise some stuff how we like to see the worldMar 12 21:27
_goblinI prefer the dictionary definition of Bing......" A heap or a pile"........thats about right.Mar 12 21:27
schestowitz& in quotesMar 12 21:27
Omar87schestowitz, MAN!! Or my God! This guys [Ballmer] is such a human-shaped jellyfish!! :DMar 12 21:28
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/10347159101 "interesting. @seattlepi takes down incredibly tactless video about site's one-year-anniversary from youtube"Mar 12 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: interesting. @seattlepi ta ... .::. Size~: 10.17 KBMar 12 21:29
schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-requests-indicate-ftc-may-block-googles-admob-purchase/Mar 12 21:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Requests May Signal That FTC Will Block Googles AdMob Purchase| paidContent .::. Size~: 26.15 KBMar 12 21:30
schestowitzCould Crapple or MSFT be involved here?Mar 12 21:30
schestowitzApple gets into mobile ads nowMar 12 21:31
schestowitzAnything for that bullyhouseMar 12 21:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hint: If your broadband is off for two days, prepare to spend a good 3 hours trying to catch up.... over 100 emails!Mar 12 21:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] In time for world cyber-freedom day, new zealand censors the internet, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/12/new_zealand_internet_filter/Mar 12 21:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: NZ internet filter goes live - gov forgets to tell public • The Register .::. Size~: 27.21 KBMar 12 21:31
DaemonFCthat's better, two 44 ounce diet mt dews, that should wake me upMar 12 21:33
Omar87schestowitz, I don't know why, but every time I watch Ballmer talking, I get a feeling that he might a drug addict.Mar 12 21:35
Omar87:PMar 12 21:35
DaemonFCjono_, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/health/policy/13health.htmlMar 12 21:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Democrats Planning for Health Bill Vote Next Week - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 64.85 KBMar 12 21:35
Omar87He's really pathetic, ya know.Mar 12 21:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Wow these kids started hardcore dancing young - http://is.gd/aol26 #comedygoldMar 12 21:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- How To Be Hardcore - Preschooler Style - Original Mosh Dancing .::. Size~: 117.89 KBMar 12 21:35
DaemonFCWe'll pass a horrible bill now and trust us, we'll come back later with a series of patches to make it less bad!Mar 12 21:36
DaemonFCthe Republican opposition to the "health bill" is theaterMar 12 21:36
Omar87DaemonFC, or more.Mar 12 21:36
DaemonFCit provided the background to justify the Democrats passing a bill that fucks everyone overMar 12 21:37
DaemonFCthe Democrats blame the Republicans who blame the DemocratsMar 12 21:37
DaemonFCperfect huh? just like nowMar 12 21:37
DaemonFCthe "health bill" is "public looting" to pay off rich insurance companies and make it illegal for you to not buy insurance at the rates out there right nowMar 12 21:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @carlo_piana Lessig has broken the law that says that wi-fi accessor must register with their ID: arrest him NOW #capdigMar 12 21:38
DaemonFCit doesn't reform the system, it only makes it illegal not to pay them,Mar 12 21:39
DaemonFCpay them now or pay the IRS penalties for not paying the insurance companies laterMar 12 21:39
schestowitz[21:35] <Omar87> schestowitz, I don't know why, but every time I watch Ballmer talking, I get a feeling that he might a drug addict.\Mar 12 21:40
DaemonFCit's more of a gun to the head of Joe Public than it is a machete to the gobs of insurance company abusesMar 12 21:40
schestowitzNo, he's just naturally demented like thatMar 12 21:40
schestowitzCan throw chairs one moment, than leap like a bunny another momentMar 12 21:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, I know, he's funnyMar 12 21:41
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DaemonFCThat's why I like him, he amuses meMar 12 21:41
schestowitzNoMar 12 21:41
schestowitzHe's infantileMar 12 21:41
Omar87schestowitz, exactly, that's what I'm talking about.Mar 12 21:41
schestowitzWe don't need kids running commerceMar 12 21:41
schestowitzit leads to corruptionMar 12 21:41
DaemonFCthrowing chairs and hopping like a bunny makes you the CEO of MicrosoftMar 12 21:41
Omar87schestowitz, he walks and talks just like a jellyfish.Mar 12 21:41
sebsebsebHiMar 12 21:41
DaemonFCusually it jsut gets you arrested and taken to the mental health clinicMar 12 21:41
DaemonFCB-)Mar 12 21:42
schestowitz“I think he [Bill Gates] has a Napoleonic concept of himself and his company, an arrogance that derives from power and unalloyed success, with no leavening hard experience, no reverses [...] They don’t act like grown-ups!” -Judge Thomas Penfield JacksonMar 12 21:42
Omar87sebsebseb, hey!Mar 12 21:42
sebsebsebOmar87: HeyMar 12 21:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: it would not be fair to the other patients who are already thereMar 12 21:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, Doctor to new orderly: "And this one thinks he's the CEO of Microsoft...." *Jumping up and down, hitting the walls with a chair* "WOOHOO!!! WOOHOO!!! WOOHOO!!!!" "I LOVE THIS COMPANY, YEAH!!!!!!!!!"Mar 12 21:44
DaemonFCB-)Mar 12 21:44
MinceRyou forgot an important part: "I'VE GOT FOUR WORDS FOR YOU: 'I', 'LOVE', 'THIS', 'COMPANY', 'YEAH'!!!"Mar 12 21:46
DaemonFCahhhhMar 12 21:46
DaemonFCMinceR, Isn't that, 5 words? Mar 12 21:46
DaemonFCOh well, it's four if you're rich and say it's four I guess.Mar 12 21:46
MinceRindeed it isMar 12 21:47
MinceRit shows that monkey boy can't even countMar 12 21:47
DaemonFCMinceR, How do you feel about the idea of voting or paying a fine?Mar 12 21:47
DaemonFCdo you think good things will come of that?Mar 12 21:47
MinceRi don't think anything good will come of thatMar 12 21:48
DaemonFCIt's on my list of possible ways to get rid of our mayorMar 12 21:48
MinceRexcept for the ones who collect the fines, of courseMar 12 21:48
DaemonFCthe county council is more open to ideas to get rid of him than mot city officialsMar 12 21:48
DaemonFChigher turnout would probably get rid of himMar 12 21:49
DaemonFConly 28% turnout in 2007Mar 12 21:49
DaemonFCif we could get that to 100%, it would drown out his cronies maybe, right?Mar 12 21:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Yes, this is just the time to get sucked into http://theworstofperth.com/ . NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Also at @theworstofperth .Mar 12 21:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  The Worst of Perth .::. Size~: 64.87 KBMar 12 21:49
MinceRit seems your people aren't eager to get rid of himMar 12 21:50
DaemonFCmy other idea is move the local elections to an even numbered year to make them coincide with federal and state elections, where more people turn up anywayMar 12 21:50
DaemonFCthat would probably piss less people offMar 12 21:50
DaemonFCbut then we either have to deal with him for 5 years or have an interim election to fill his seat for that extra yearMar 12 21:51
DaemonFCwhich would probably give us him again for that year anywayMar 12 21:51
DaemonFCI'm in favor of going with the elections pushed up 1 year, interim elections so nobody shouts "cheater!!!", and seeing what happens from then onMar 12 21:52
DaemonFCwe only have to deal with the fallout from changing the election year once and hopefully we never get another administration like this againMar 12 21:53
DaemonFCsome interesting candidates have placed an interest on Huntington for some reason, including for federal officesMar 12 21:54
DaemonFCone of them even supports the flat consumption tax plan ("Fair Tax")Mar 12 21:55
DaemonFChttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2011328876_bombthreat13m.htmlMar 12 21:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Local News | Man claiming to be vampire prompts bomb scare near courthouse | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 58.21 KBMar 12 21:57
DaemonFCniceMar 12 21:57
DaemonFCduring the daytime? :)Mar 12 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Woman, 130, Wants Age-Old Guinness Record" http://ur1.ca/pfz7 120 not enoughMar 12 21:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Woman, 130, Wants Age-Old Guinness Record - Yahoo! News UK .::. Size~: 33.99 KBMar 12 21:58
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Gran Turismo 5 has night driving http://ur1.ca/pg0g #1080pMar 12 22:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Gran Turismo® 5 Night Racing Trailer .::. Size~: 168.84 KBMar 12 22:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @videolan An example not to follow for us: Ubuntu changing window buttons place 1 day before User Interface Freeze http://bit.ly/cDYwnqMar 12 22:07
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Bill Hicks- Gays in the Military .::. Size~: 128.57 KBMar 12 22:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Remember the kangaroo beer sign from "The Last Continent"? The original: http://theworstofperth.com/2010/02/15/hop-like-a-butterfly/Mar 12 22:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hop Like a Butterfly «  The Worst of Perth .::. Size~: 76.22 KBMar 12 22:18
schestowitzhttp://www.medsphere.com/stimulus-roi-calculatorMar 12 22:28
DaemonFCschestowitz, How many warnings do you figure would be generated were Microsoft to compile all of Windows with GCC?Mar 12 22:31
DaemonFCjust as a pointless questionMar 12 22:31
schestowitzIt won't compileMar 12 22:32
schestowitzHacks and other P/LsMar 12 22:32
DaemonFCit's C++ largely, right?Mar 12 22:33
DaemonFCnot standard compliant enough?Mar 12 22:33
schestowitzIt'll fail before producing errorsMar 12 22:33
schestowitzYou can't quantify this stuffMar 12 22:33
DaemonFCso you think they'd have to spend a lot of effort to make it standard C++ before the compiler would even take it?Mar 12 22:34
DaemonFCthat is bad :PMar 12 22:34
DaemonFCso their compilers that they use internally are very forgiving of errors and non-standard code?Mar 12 22:35
DaemonFCThat explains where the security problems come inMar 12 22:35
DaemonFChmmmMar 12 22:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, How compatible with OpenGL 3.3 are 3.2 cards?Mar 12 22:39
DaemonFCis this like for hardware support of a lot of OpenGL 4 stuff on existing cards?Mar 12 22:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @hook: #Microsoft - #Slovenian government agreement includes an anti-#FOSS clause! #FSFEMar 12 22:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Pergunto-me se o mesmo se passou em Portugal...Mar 12 22:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ZOMG #followfriday has been imported into #identica and I was mentioned! (thanks, btw) :)Mar 12 22:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, Ubuntu attacks detractors of their new commercialized features by proxy apparently, including name-calling.Mar 12 22:49
DaemonFChttp://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/37488-canonical-speaks-to-the-commercial-debateMar 12 22:49
DaemonFCCalling detractor's "unhinged" after boiling down their argument to "Nazi Nazi!!!"Mar 12 22:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] MS Bong is still a "decision engine"..that is unless it can beat Google...then Im sure MS will change it. #microsoft #bing #failMar 12 22:50
DaemonFCapparently detractors of this behavior are "poorly educated" and "illogical"Mar 12 22:51
DaemonFCjono_, Is that your company's official point of view since you agreed to directly involve yourselves with this article?Mar 12 22:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bing - according to the dictionary is "A heap or a pile"......yep sounds about right to me. #microsoft #bing #failMar 12 22:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why do I bring up Bing? Because Ive seen it pimped on Sky TV today more times than a "no win no fee" ad. #bing #fail #microsoftMar 12 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Anyway enough talk about MS Bing (or Bong) and time for bed..Mar 12 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin MS Bob Hope, the Indecision Engine!Mar 12 22:57
schestowitzhttp://www.bradcolbow.com/archive.php/?p=205Mar 12 22:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Brads  a comic about web design   » The Brads  Why DRM Doesnt Work .::. Size~: 165.73 KBMar 12 22:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin I mean, at least Wolfram Alpha has stuff it's the best at.Mar 12 22:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @wikileaks WikiLeaks is 2/3rds of the way towards budget. Come on guys! Donate! <-- I have done so. DONATE, you overpaid geeks.Mar 12 22:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin gnMar 12 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Entourage is almost certainly not copyleft hardware, but I wonder if Free Software can run in it unhindered...Mar 12 22:59
schestowitzDaemonFOX: http://www.opengl.org/news/permalink/khronos-unleashes-cutting-edge-cross-platform-graphics-acceleration-with-op/Mar 12 23:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Khronos Unleashes Cutting-Edge, Cross-Platform Graphics Acceleration with OpenGL 4.0 - opengl.org news .::. Size~: 15.99 KBMar 12 23:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Brilliant! RT @picturecool South African Artists Graffiti Walls By Scrubbing Them Clean #photo http://bit.ly/cI7NrBMar 12 23:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Now that the #Apple #iPad is out, where are the !Linux using clones? 7-10" touchscreen plus 10-15h battery would be nice to have aroundMar 12 23:02
schestowitzis this substantiated? http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/03/11/1917218/Bill-To-Ban-All-Salt-In-Restaurant-CookingMar 12 23:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Politics Story | Bill To Ban All Salt In Restaurant Cooking .::. Size~: 175.23 KBMar 12 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Brilliant! RT @picturecool South African Artists Graffiti Walls By Scrubbing Them Clean #photo http://bit.ly/cI7NrBMar 12 23:04
schestowitzhttp://it.slashdot.org/story/10/03/12/0210248/Zeus-Botnet-Down-But-Not-Out?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 "Almost without exception, the hosts themselves run Windows."Mar 12 23:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot IT Story | Zeus Botnet Down But Not Out .::. Size~: 122.24 KBMar 12 23:05
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9169678/IBM_stops_disclosing_U.S._headcount_dataMar 12 23:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gKrY51vO2V86xiICf35Q05J0FIEAD9ED1NF80Mar 12 23:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Associated Press: Chinese minister insists Google obey the law .::. Size~: 11.38 KBMar 12 23:09
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schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/amazons-1-click-patent-validated-after-four-year-re-examination/?cs=39994Mar 12 23:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Amazon's 1-Click Patent Validated After Four-Year Re-Examination | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 74.35 KBMar 12 23:10
schestowitzMoney down the drain, eye sore to many of us: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/03/08/microsoft-to-spend-2-billion-on-bing-ads-in-the-ukMar 12 23:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft To Spend $2 Billion On Bing Ads In The UK | WebProNews .::. Size~: 35.36 KBMar 12 23:11
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/03/10/schmidt-on-china-something-will-happen-soonMar 12 23:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Schmidt On China: "Something Will Happen Soon" | WebProNews .::. Size~: 33.93 KBMar 12 23:13
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfMar 12 23:14
schestowitzSony 3D TVs to be launched in Japan in JuneMar 12 23:16
WireWulfweeMar 12 23:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah, New York City has been banning transfats by statute for years nowMar 12 23:17
DaemonFCnow they want to move to saltMar 12 23:17
DaemonFCthey think that if they ban tasty things, their state programs like Medicaid will go down in costMar 12 23:19
DaemonFCI think they should be banning all cigarettes if they want thatMar 12 23:19
DaemonFC:)Mar 12 23:19
DaemonFCsalt isn't costing them 1/1000th the cost of cigarette smokingMar 12 23:19
DaemonFCbut they get taxes from cigarettes Mar 12 23:20
DaemonFCand if they banned them, people would just buy them from states with no banMar 12 23:20
Diablo-D3banning cigarettes would be too easyMar 12 23:20
Diablo-D3the government cant do thatMar 12 23:20
MinceR"salt is not good for you, hence, it is illegal."Mar 12 23:22
DaemonFCMinceR, Michael Bloomberg, the Benevolent Dictator For Life of New York City, has also bee making up laws to take handguns from people in violation of the 2nd Amendment, and costing city taxpayers millions of dollars to fight and lose in court so the law is now unenforceable Mar 12 23:25
DaemonFCThe problem is, MinceR, that so many liberals live in New York City, they'll never get rid of himMar 12 23:26
DaemonFCand this salt ban could easily passMar 12 23:26
MinceRthis is what you usians call "liberal"?Mar 12 23:26
DaemonFCnot on a state level, but it'll end up being a fiat rule by the New York City Board of HealthMar 12 23:26
DaemonFCpretty muchMar 12 23:27
MinceRdamn, you're pretty advanced in newspeak alreadyMar 12 23:27
MinceRnaturally associating banning salt with "liberty"Mar 12 23:27
DaemonFCor the passage of unconstitutional lawsMar 12 23:28
DaemonFCdon't forget thatMar 12 23:28
schestowitzThese T-shirts are sooo stupid http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2010/03/linux_open_a_cl.htmlMar 12 23:28
DaemonFCmillions of tax dollars spent fighting a court battle that is lostMar 12 23:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Gallery: Linux open a merchandise store, geek T-shirts a-go-go : Shiny Shiny .::. Size~: 50.7 KBMar 12 23:28
DaemonFChaving the Supreme Court strike it downMar 12 23:28
schestowitz[23:22] <MinceR> "salt is not good for you, hence, it is illegal."Mar 12 23:28
schestowitzNo, you can use itMar 12 23:28
DaemonFCpeople in New York City are stupid enough to put up with this shit, MinceR Mar 12 23:29
schestowitzYou can also add it as condimentMar 12 23:29
DaemonFCthat's the problemMar 12 23:29
schestowitzBut restaurants won't force it upon youMar 12 23:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, Some recipes need salt and adding it is not the sameMar 12 23:29
DaemonFCthat's the problemMar 12 23:29
DaemonFCbesides, "gtfo out what I decide to eat" is my objectionMar 12 23:30
schestowitzExamples?Mar 12 23:30
schestowitzFried still come with salt separatelyMar 12 23:30
schestowitzAt least in junk 'food' shopsMar 12 23:30
DaemonFCpouring salt granules over some food is unappetizing and does not taste the sameMar 12 23:30
schestowitz*FriesMar 12 23:30
DaemonFCbut gtfo is still my answerMar 12 23:31
DaemonFCif I want to eat it, fuck off!Mar 12 23:31
DaemonFC:)Mar 12 23:31
schestowitzSalt is not natural for eatingMar 12 23:31
DaemonFCso?Mar 12 23:31
schestowitzJust some mineral like that crap they put in chipsMar 12 23:31
DaemonFCcondos aren't natural for fuckingMar 12 23:31
DaemonFC:)Mar 12 23:31
DaemonFC*condomsMar 12 23:31
DaemonFCthey should be bannedMar 12 23:31
DaemonFCis that your argument?Mar 12 23:31
schestowitzBody doesn't digest them wellMar 12 23:31
schestowitzNot edibleMar 12 23:31
schestowitzNot same issueMar 12 23:32
DaemonFCsomething isn't natural?Mar 12 23:32
DaemonFCcomputers don't occur in natureMar 12 23:32
schestowitzIt's about what you put in your stomachMar 12 23:32
schestowitzYou could eat rustMar 12 23:32
schestowitzfor ironMar 12 23:32
DaemonFCTVs don't occur in natureMar 12 23:32
schestowitzDoesn't mean it's goodMar 12 23:32
DaemonFCcars don't occur in natureMar 12 23:32
DaemonFCsalt does occur in natureMar 12 23:32
schestowitzYou eat cars?Mar 12 23:32
DaemonFCsalt is necessary to liveMar 12 23:32
DaemonFClets ban the rest of the electrolytesMar 12 23:32
DaemonFCpotassium evenMar 12 23:33
DaemonFCespecially potassium chloride!Mar 12 23:33
DaemonFCthat's a definite no noMar 12 23:33
DaemonFCthen we should ban vitamins, schestowitz because too much of certain vitamins will kill youMar 12 23:33
DaemonFCdeefinitely not good for continued healthMar 12 23:34
Aondohttp://www.ted.com/talks/jamie_oliver.html - i enjoyed this talk, some what related i thinkMar 12 23:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jamie Oliver's TED Prize wish: Teach every child about food | Video on TED.com .::. Size~: 87.41 KBMar 12 23:34
DaemonFCfood made with added vitamins should be bannedMar 12 23:34
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DaemonFCthe government should have no power to say what I eat beyond enforcing the basic health code as standards for restaurant operationMar 12 23:35
DaemonFCeverMar 12 23:35
DaemonFCsalmonella is definitely not tasty and will hospitalize me within hours, they should have the power to ban things like thatMar 12 23:36
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DaemonFC:)Mar 12 23:36
schestowitzhttp://www.ovum.com/news/euronews.asp?id=8461Mar 12 23:36
schestowitzBN winsMar 12 23:36
MinceRlet's ban Dihydrogen Monoxide, tooMar 12 23:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, Certainly you don't agree that your government is within its rights to tell you that every meal has to be a saladMar 12 23:38
MinceRlet's tell people what they're allowed to eat and call ourselves "liberal"Mar 12 23:38
DaemonFCthat's what the liberals in New York are moving towardsMar 12 23:38
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DaemonFCand you can't use just any dressing on that saladMar 12 23:39
DaemonFCit has to be non-fatMar 12 23:39
schestowitzEnder2070: http://www.pcworld.com/article/191341/red_hat_exchange.htmlMar 12 23:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Hat Exchange - PCWorld .::. Size~: 45.64 KBMar 12 23:39
DaemonFCand it can't have any cheese on itMar 12 23:39
schestowitzChicken maybe?Mar 12 23:40
DaemonFCMinceR, The liberals won't be satisfied until all we can eat is grassMar 12 23:40
schestowitzHair salad?Mar 12 23:40
DaemonFCand grazing out on the front lawn like the sheep we areMar 12 23:40
schestowitzWool?Mar 12 23:40
schestowitzMolten wool?Mar 12 23:41
schestowitzA UK barber was arrested for recycling hairMar 12 23:41
schestowitzhttp://www.ecofriend.org/entry/chair-made-by-recycling-discarded-hair/Mar 12 23:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Chair Made By Recycling Discarded Hair! - Ecofriend .::. Size~: 48.53 KBMar 12 23:42
DaemonFCvegans piss me off, the best vegan is worse than the most militant non-smokerMar 12 23:42
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/378296/Mar 12 23:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Embedded Linux Conference 2010 Program is available [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 11.79 KBMar 12 23:43
schestowitz*LMAO*Mar 12 23:43
schestowitz"Mar 12 23:43
schestowitz* Matt Asay - Canonical COO and long-time open source strategistMar 12 23:43
schestowitzand blogger for CNET will talk about "Embedded in 2010: an End toMar 12 23:43
schestowitzthe Entropy?"Mar 12 23:43
schestowitz"Mar 12 23:43
schestowitzWill he present on a Mac and brag about PPT?Mar 12 23:43
DaemonFCPETA rushing in with their "Meat is murder act and "stabbing a cow" to death in front of small children in Burger KingMar 12 23:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's how you know I am stable enough for gun ownershipMar 12 23:44
schestowitzDaemonFOX: piss off both by smoking a meat cigarMar 12 23:44
schestowitzNow cowMar 12 23:45
schestowitzBeefMar 12 23:45
schestowitzPig->porkMar 12 23:45
schestowitzmutton...Mar 12 23:45
schestowitzWe have namesMar 12 23:45
DaemonFClambMar 12 23:45
schestowitzEuphemismsMar 12 23:45
DaemonFCmmmmhmmmmMar 12 23:45
DaemonFCLAMBMar 12 23:45
DaemonFCtasty lambMar 12 23:45
schestowitzHmmmmmmmm...... germsMar 12 23:45
DaemonFCyes, I eat lambMar 12 23:45
schestowitz"Me loves me lamb!"Mar 12 23:45
schestowitz"Me eats me cow Betsy"Mar 12 23:46
DaemonFCyepMar 12 23:46
DaemonFCwith friesMar 12 23:46
schestowitzLt me find a TJ vidMar 12 23:46
DaemonFCand lots of salt on those friesMar 12 23:46
DaemonFCcause I fucking CAN!!!Mar 12 23:46
DaemonFC:DMar 12 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.betsythecow.com/Mar 12 23:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: www.betsythecow.com  .::. Size~: 0.35 KBMar 12 23:46
DaemonFCthey should strap some vegans down, schestowitz pin their eyes open, and make them watch me eat a classic tripleMar 12 23:47
DaemonFCfrom WendysMar 12 23:47
DaemonFCB-)Mar 12 23:47
DaemonFCfuckersMar 12 23:47
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DaemonFCyes MinceR these annoying overly opinionated assholes who proceed to rape you with nonsense is a US liberalMar 12 23:48
schestowitzI give upMar 12 23:49
schestowitzI can't find videos... no search.Mar 12 23:49
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmN3ELvsdjsMar 12 23:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- God Is Evil .::. Size~: 160 KBMar 12 23:49
DaemonFCand the law forbids me from shooting them to make them stop talkingMar 12 23:49
MinceRwith "liberals" like these, who needs authoritarians?Mar 12 23:49
DaemonFCMinceR, They are authoritariansMar 12 23:49
DaemonFCheavy handed left-wing authoritariansMar 12 23:49
MinceRof course they areMar 12 23:50
schestowitzLiver AlsMar 12 23:50
MinceRevery mainstream political group in jesusland is authoritarianMar 12 23:50
schestowitzBrand Obama too?Mar 12 23:50
DaemonFCMinceR, The Libertarian party isn'tMar 12 23:50
schestowitzIt shrank, no?Mar 12 23:50
schestowitzI watched many videos about themMar 12 23:51
MinceRDaemonFC: and that's mainstream?Mar 12 23:51
schestowitzThey schemed entryism into Republicans recentlyMar 12 23:51
schestowitzLike Ron Paul maybeMar 12 23:51
DaemonFCMinceR, No, more like the first also-ranMar 12 23:51
schestowitzVetura can join Crackpot PartyMar 12 23:51
schestowitz*venMar 12 23:51
DaemonFChttp://www.lp.org/platformMar 12 23:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Platform | Libertarian Party .::. Size~: 45.7 KBMar 12 23:51
DaemonFCI'd vote for VenturaMar 12 23:52
DaemonFCVentura is awesomeMar 12 23:52
schestowitzMainstream make it sound like a TV/PR campaign.. wait, it is!Mar 12 23:52
DaemonFC"We, the members of the Libertarian Party, challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual."Mar 12 23:52
DaemonFCMinceR, Guess I have to agree with them thereMar 12 23:52
*schestowitz thinks DaemonFOX lied about the "platonic" thingMar 12 23:52
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DaemonFCI don't like the "all powerful state", with the "Conservatives" and the "Liberals" offering versions of it that are equally badMar 12 23:53
schestowitz"A wrist watch is so 19th century. Surely, you can wear a Linux or Windows CE computer instead. With the ZYPAD WL 11XX, you can. " vMar 12 23:53
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191279/no_its_not_a_rolex.htmlMar 12 23:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: No, it's not a Rolex - PCWorld .::. Size~: 45.18 KBMar 12 23:53
schestowitzOversized SPOT watchMar 12 23:53
lantiziaI take it boycotting novell would include Evolution?Mar 12 23:53
schestowitzNoMar 12 23:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] http://is.gd/ap82U has generated some really interesting discussion about if the Internet should be a human right #shotofjaqMar 12 23:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Shot of Jaq » Internet As a Human Right .::. Size~: 57.74 KBMar 12 23:53
lantiziahowcome?Mar 12 23:53
schestowitzFree software, no Mono traps excluding extensionsMar 12 23:54
MinceRgnMar 12 23:54
DaemonFCEvolution isn't dependent on Novell or Mono, and is part of GNOMEMar 12 23:54
DaemonFCprobablyMar 12 23:54
DaemonFC:)Mar 12 23:54
bruce89until recently, Evolution required copyright assignement, but that's no longer the caseMar 12 23:54
lantiziaEvolution is still the product of Ximian... those who made MonoMar 12 23:54
MinceRit isn't dependent on mono and it's officially part of GNOME OfficeMar 12 23:55
lantiziaheavily developed and geared to novell howeverMar 12 23:55
lantizialike the groupwise supportMar 12 23:55
schestowitzhttp://www.pocket-lint.com/news/32016/hard-drives-to-gain-xp-slowdowns "Leopard, Snow Leopard and versions of the Linux kernel released after September 2009 should all work fine."Mar 12 23:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hard drive update means XP slowdowns - Pocket-lint .::. Size~: 41.11 KBMar 12 23:55
bruce89actually, it's in GNOME GNOME, not GNOME officeMar 12 23:55
bruce89http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointTwentynine/DesktopMar 12 23:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TwoPointTwentynine/Desktop - GNOME Live! .::. Size~: 45.08 KBMar 12 23:56
lantiziaSo... Was Ximian... then Novell... now GNOME... but a lot of donations and coding to that purely GNOME project comes from NovellMar 12 23:57
lantiziathat fair?Mar 12 23:57
bruce89yesMar 12 23:57
lantiziadespite at least wikipedia listing develops as GNOME and Novell and the mac/windows builds being entirely novell and outside the realm of GNOMEMar 12 23:58

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