| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to develop an Android Shot Of Jaq app? Please come and help! http://is.gd/apafa #shotofjaq #soj_y | Mar 13 00:00 | |
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| bruce89 | if I could find the command that came up with the 75% commercial report, I'd run it on evolution's git repo | Mar 13 00:01 |
| WireWulf | o/ | Mar 13 00:01 |
| lantizia | see I'm after a different mail client (I use Thunderbird currently) and all I can find thats even close to half decent is Evolution | Mar 13 00:02 |
| lantizia | Generally when I install a *buntu the first thing I do is remove mono-runtime and anything like f-spot/tomboy that depends on it and evolution | Mar 13 00:03 |
| lantizia | due to the novell connection | Mar 13 00:03 |
| lantizia | lol I love how the two official maintainers of Evolution in GNOME... 1 is a redhat employee - the other is a Novell employee :) | Mar 13 00:07 |
| lantizia | FIGHT lol | Mar 13 00:07 |
| MinceR | bruce89: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeOffice | Mar 13 00:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: GnomeOffice - GNOME Live! .::. Size~: 9.9 KB | Mar 13 00:08 |
| bruce89 | GNOME office is a random loose collection | Mar 13 00:08 |
| lantizia | OK you go to the about box of Evolution... | Mar 13 00:15 |
| lantizia | Evolution 2.28.1 - Groupware Suite - Copyright (c) 1999-2009 Novell, Inc. and Others | Mar 13 00:16 |
| lantizia | Not even a mention of Gnome! | Mar 13 00:16 |
| lantizia | I submit use of Evolution isn't boycotting Novell | Mar 13 00:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | I submit use of Evolution should be banned by the Geneva Convention | Mar 13 00:18 |
| lantizia | I second | Mar 13 00:20 |
| lantizia | ok being realistic a sec... 99% of the software I'm finding novell bought off someone else or another programmer had already started it and they hired him/her | Mar 13 00:28 |
| lantizia | so even if novell didn't want to back this stuff, it would have still existed - but not quite as well developed | Mar 13 00:29 |
| lantizia | whats the argument against novell again? :D | Mar 13 00:30 |
| *bruce89 ponders the creation of evolution | Mar 13 00:30 | |
| lantizia | bruce89, a company called Ximian | Mar 13 00:30 |
| bruce89 | irony | Mar 13 00:30 |
| lantizia | apart from the whole MS/Novell deal... how is any of this software any worse than say KVM backed by Redhat or any other software backed by redhat? | Mar 13 00:30 |
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| bruce89 | creation...evolution | Mar 13 00:31 |
| lantizia | ? | Mar 13 00:31 |
| bruce89 | as in religion...science | Mar 13 00:31 |
| lantizia | umm ok, point...being? | Mar 13 00:32 |
| bruce89 | a bad joke, because it is me after all | Mar 13 00:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Huge pitfall of #OSSEC: "ip route add DST/32 via DefaultGW src ServiceIPAddress" is your friend | Mar 13 00:32 | |
| cubezzz2 | I can't relabel konsole tabs in new KDE :-/ | Mar 13 00:33 |
| cubezzz2 | wait a sec | Mar 13 00:33 |
| cubezzz2 | it's gnome-terminal tabs :) | Mar 13 00:34 |
| cubezzz2 | somebody tell me how to stop these annoying mouse overs :-/ | Mar 13 00:36 |
| bruce89 | cut your mouse cable? | Mar 13 00:36 |
| cubezzz2 | new KDE is just annoying | Mar 13 00:37 |
| lantizia | would you say KDE is less infected by novell/mono than GNOME? | Mar 13 00:39 |
| lantizia | I just found the official #mono channel is on the GNOME IRC server :S | Mar 13 00:39 |
| cubezzz2 | probably | Mar 13 00:39 |
| cubezzz2 | I've just gotten so used to KDE 3.4.2 | Mar 13 00:40 |
| cubezzz2 | renaming stuff... | Mar 13 00:41 |
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| cubezzz2 | konsole seems to have disappeared | Mar 13 00:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hey Roy, you here? | Mar 13 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Microsoft+appeal+court+ruling+class+action+lawsuit/2670735/story.html | Mar 13 00:42 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | could be a big story | Mar 13 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "In a ruling released this week, B.C. Supreme Court Justice Elliott Myers certified the action on behalf of "all persons in British Columbia who, on or after Jan. 1, 1994, indirectly acquired a licence for Microsoft operating systems and/or Microsoft applications software for their own use." | Mar 13 00:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "That covers pretty well everyone who bought a personal computer, or Microsoft Word or Exel, in the province since 1994, the plaintiffs' lawyer, J.J. Camp, of Camp Fiorante Matthews, said in an interview. That includes governments as well as banks and other organizations that would have bought thousands of computers, he said. "It's a very substantial number." | Mar 13 00:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This could be the start of cases like the ones the States here continued after the DOJ settlement. But in other countries, provinces, etc. Image how many countries, and or class action lawsuits there could be around the world wanting to happen. | Mar 13 00:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Just watched at some cool pics of tanks. Not a militarist, but I'd love to drive a tank in Portuguese roads, that's for sure. A Panzer... | Mar 13 00:46 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS always likes to promote how much money it has. Doing that has made it a target of lawsuits, class action, governement lawsuits, and patent lawsuits. | Mar 13 00:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Going to bed in a really grat mood thanks to @gbraad ;) | Mar 13 00:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] s/grat/great/ | Mar 13 00:48 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Class+action+suit+targets+Microsoft+software/2663711/story.html | Mar 13 00:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Class-action suit targets Microsoft software .::. Size~: 78.5 KB | Mar 13 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Camp said the lawsuit was initiated in B.C., but other lawyers across Canada, including lawyers in Ontario and Quebec, will now be proceeding with applications for class-action certifications. "Quite frankly, it is going to be quite difficult for Microsoft to avoid being certified in other provinces now." " | Mar 13 00:50 |
| cubezzz2 | certified? | Mar 13 00:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz2: insane | Mar 13 00:51 |
| cubezzz2 | ah | Mar 13 00:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lawsuits certified, just mean started i think | Mar 13 00:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its a quote from the last link | Mar 13 00:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | could be a big court case in Canada | Mar 13 00:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not that anything will change much if MS loses and has to pay. Except that Money is the lifeblood of that company, and any time they bleed, they become weaker. | Mar 13 00:53 |
| cubezzz2 | it's death of a thousand cuts | Mar 13 00:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Mar 13 00:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | less money for the borg to spend on other things, like screwing Google, hiring Shills, etc | Mar 13 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | plus the lawsuits being given coverage, has to impact their stock | Mar 13 00:56 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | also, it keeps their old dirty tricks of the monopoly in the public's mind as well | Mar 13 00:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz> you from Canada? | Mar 13 00:59 |
| cubezzz2 | Chips_B_Malroy, yes | Mar 13 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | quote: "The Washington state-based company, which has been forced to pay out large settlements for similar cases in the U.S., including a $1.1-billion settlement in California, could not be reached for comment. Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/technology/Class+action+suit+targets+Microsoft+software/2663711/story.html#ixzz0i0tZ8Qec" | Mar 13 01:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Class-action suit targets Microsoft software .::. Size~: 78.5 KB | Mar 13 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so this case might interest you? | Mar 13 01:01 |
| cubezzz2 | certainly | Mar 13 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I figured Roy might be holding this story back, as he had so much to write about lately | Mar 13 01:02 |
| cubezzz2 | I'd rather see the schools and offices just switch to Linux or at least consider using it | Mar 13 01:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Really? and save us taxpayers so much money? | Mar 13 01:05 |
| cubezzz2 | sure | Mar 13 01:05 |
| cubezzz2 | schools in Ontario are utterly dominated by the Big M | Mar 13 01:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | here too | Mar 13 01:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but now, they have to layoff teachers | Mar 13 01:06 |
| cubezzz2 | I've heard comments from teachers that "we have to prepare students for the realties of the marketplace" | Mar 13 01:06 |
| cubezzz2 | meaning Word, Office, etc | Mar 13 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its what they been told to say, or they don't know and are afriad of learning new | Mar 13 01:07 |
| cubezzz2 | teachers are notoriously conservative | Mar 13 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Mar 13 01:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A relative using Ubuntu with XP as dual boot, their XP crashed and burned the other day | Mar 13 01:10 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Mar 13 01:10 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They said that they only booted XP once a week to update the anti-virus programs and to occasionally run CreataCard | Mar 13 01:11 |
| cubezzz2 | lol | Mar 13 01:11 |
| cubezzz2 | might want to try wine then | Mar 13 01:11 |
| cubezzz2 | and just forget the anti-virus | Mar 13 01:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I told them to do a google search for 'free printable greeting cards' | Mar 13 01:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the first hit is www.greetingsisland.com which is free | Mar 13 01:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as could not find a native app for them, but this is sort of a cloud app, and very easy to use too | Mar 13 01:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anyway, it seems Roy is sleeping. | Mar 13 01:14 |
| Ender2070 | [19:57] <cubezzz2> schools in Ontario are utterly dominated by the Big M | Mar 13 01:14 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Mar 13 01:14 |
| Ender2070 | the evil m dollarsign | Mar 13 01:15 |
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| cubezzz2 | I find myself more and more in the role of teacher | Mar 13 01:22 |
| cubezzz2 | Ender2070, do you know how to turn off the mouse-overs in the KDE panel? | Mar 13 01:23 |
| cubezzz2 | it's really annoying :-/ | Mar 13 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | lmao Bill Hicks talking about the California "Pedestrian right of way" law | Mar 13 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Here, if someone jumps out into the road, you turn your wipers on and speed up, am I right?" | Mar 13 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 13 01:40 |
| cubezzz2 | you can't assume the driver sees you that's for sure | Mar 13 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | he said that watching the LA Riots, where people were being pulled out of their trucks and beaten half to death "Step on the gas man, fuck!!!" | Mar 13 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Mar 13 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | "They're on foot, you're in a truck, I think I see a way out of this..." "It's that pedestrian right of way law" :P | Mar 13 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1604695578417499645&ei=9umaS-rjOobEqgLItc2EDQ&q=bill+hicks&hl=en&client=firefox# | Mar 13 01:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bill Hicks - Revelations (1993) .::. Size~: 37.32 KB | Mar 13 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh@Dan Quayle part said he was Damian and went into a demonic impersonation of Quayle | Mar 13 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | "I'll spell POTATOE any fucking way I want!!" | Mar 13 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | "Bush was a pussy, he held me back!!!" | Mar 13 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 13 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | what's worse is I live in Dan Quayle's home town | Mar 13 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | and he planted the "Dan Quayle Vice Presidential Library" here | Mar 13 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | a bit egotistical for a man who never even carries out his one constitutional power of casting a tie breaking Senate vote | Mar 13 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you say? :) | Mar 13 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | *carried | Mar 13 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | I liked how Hicks put it that the rest of the world is only dangerous because they're using our weapons | Mar 13 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 13 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | Venezuela has F-16s | Mar 13 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | we sold them those before Chavez | Mar 13 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like a little destabilization of the region, is there? | Mar 13 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsskPPgkIe4 | Mar 13 01:54 |
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| DaemonFC | http://ask.metafilter.com/58896/What-Western-was-Bill-Hicks-talking-about-when-he-said-You-all-saw-him-he-had-a-gun | Mar 13 01:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Western was Bill Hicks talking about when he said "You all saw him, he had a gun." | Ask MetaFilter .::. Size~: 21.92 KB | Mar 13 01:57 |
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| DaemonFC | holy shit, Ubuntu fixed a bug that was introduced by them!!! | Mar 13 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | ALL HAIL jono_ !!!! | Mar 13 02:04 |
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| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/0.1.3.1-0ubuntu1/+changelog | Mar 13 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | Oh yes, "We have Clearlooks if you hate Radiance PS: It crashes GNOME thanks to Indicator, tee hee!" | Mar 13 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/2.29.92-0ubuntu2/+changelog | Mar 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | "This solves the issue of just re-using the active VT when Plymouth hasn't even shown a splash screen yet; resulting in X running on VT1 alongside the X server." | Mar 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Why is X on tty1 an issue? | Mar 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | it might make their documentation a little less correct. It makes GDM load a little faster with less flicker for people with proprietary graphics drivers. | Mar 13 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | What else? | Mar 13 02:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Now playing: TISM "The Art-Income Dialectic" | Mar 13 02:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And "Fosters Car-Park Boogie" | Mar 13 02:22 | |
| cubezzz | back on the oldie computer | Mar 13 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | yay, rain!!! | Mar 13 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Indiana farmers must have done their rain dances to appease almighty god for the year | Mar 13 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | Florida, the Caananites, displeased god and were afflicted by a curse of no tomato crops! | Mar 13 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahahahahaaaaa!!!! | Mar 13 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, And let that be a lesson to you | Mar 13 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | our corn crop shall be bountiful once more! | Mar 13 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | and the Republicans can sell it as fuel for your car | Mar 13 02:42 |
| cubezzz | not if I use an electric car | Mar 13 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | ohhh, lightning | Mar 13 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | right over the house | Mar 13 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Must be global warming | Mar 13 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | bring it on!!! | Mar 13 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 13 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty soon Indiana will be beachfront property in a tropical paradise and much of the rest of the world will be dead | Mar 13 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | bring it the fuck on! | Mar 13 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 13 02:58 |
| *DaemonFC checks the temp | Mar 13 02:59 | |
| DaemonFC | 54 degrees | Mar 13 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | at 9:51 PM | Mar 13 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's nice | Mar 13 03:00 |
| cubezzz | me no understand imperial :) | Mar 13 03:01 |
| cubezzz | 7.2 C | Mar 13 03:02 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz, been unusually warm, doesn't usually get over 60 until the end of March | Mar 13 03:06 |
| cubezzz | you are much further south than me | Mar 13 03:06 |
| cubezzz | I would expect Indiana to be a bit warmer | Mar 13 03:07 |
| WireWulf | wee | Mar 13 03:07 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure I really like KDE 4.4 | Mar 13 03:09 |
| *WireWulf dislikes KDE but tis nothing really | Mar 13 03:09 | |
| cubezzz | I do like older KDE | Mar 13 03:09 |
| cubezzz | this new KDE seems overly elaborate | Mar 13 03:09 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz, over-engineered | Mar 13 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | holy shit | Mar 13 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | HAIL! | Mar 13 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | take cover! | Mar 13 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | wind was blowing it at an angle and it was flying in throw the window and pelting me | Mar 13 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Mar 13 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | *through | Mar 13 03:24 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 10 jobs you wish you had: http://guyism.com/2010/03/10-jobs-you-wish-you-had.html via @shivaranjan | Mar 13 03:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | I wish I had the job of firing Americans, that business is booming | Mar 13 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | then after I'm out of business, I can patent the shock collars they put on all those Chinese people | Mar 13 04:09 |
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| Ender2070 | lol nice one lantizia | Mar 13 04:20 |
| lantizia | Ender2070, ? | Mar 13 04:21 |
| Ender2070 | in #mono | Mar 13 04:21 |
| lantizia | ah :) | Mar 13 04:21 |
| Ender2070 | THE DEVIL | Mar 13 04:22 |
| lantizia | it is! | Mar 13 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME Do is now featured software on Ubuntu | Mar 13 04:22 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 13 04:22 |
| lantizia | it is on the gnome version of Mint 7 and 8 too | Mar 13 04:22 |
| Ender2070 | gnome do is the devil | Mar 13 04:22 |
| lantizia | see I'm a debian man... but debian sucks for modern packages... so I look to ubuntu... canonical are getting more iffy every day with subscription services, deals with bing/yahoo, mono | Mar 13 04:23 |
| lantizia | so I'm left with the choice of a modified ubuntu... mint | Mar 13 04:23 |
| lantizia | I could use Sidux... but that things really unstable lol | Mar 13 04:23 |
| Ender2070 | fedora kicks all their asses | Mar 13 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | which cares even less if something is encumbered | Mar 13 04:23 |
| lantizia | I'm too much an APT lover | Mar 13 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | apt-rpm | Mar 13 04:23 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you're the devil | Mar 13 04:23 |
| lantizia | DaemonFC, it cares enough to give a universal version too lol | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | apt-urface | Mar 13 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | suck Satan's cock.....grrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!! | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | its yum | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | yum install application | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | yum upgrade | Mar 13 04:24 |
| lantizia | I used to use Dreamlinux too, also came with codecs and stuff.. but it seems a bit dead now and they never finished a 64 bit version | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | nooooob | Mar 13 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | you can install apt-rpm on Fedora | Mar 13 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | and Synaptic | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | and be retarded | Mar 13 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | yum presto > others | Mar 13 04:25 |
| lantizia | I don't like how you can't browse the packages on fedora/centos as easy as you can with packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com | Mar 13 04:25 |
| lantizia | and the PPA's are brilliant too | Mar 13 04:25 |
| Ender2070 | PPA = lame | Mar 13 04:25 |
| lantizia | generaly getting modern software is easier on a debian based system | Mar 13 04:25 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Mar 13 04:25 |
| Ender2070 | fedora has more modern software than you | Mar 13 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have xorg-edgers | Mar 13 04:25 |
| lantizia | fedora is Red Hats lab rat :) | Mar 13 04:25 |
| Ender2070 | noob | Mar 13 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | fedora is its own | Mar 13 04:26 |
| lantizia | your a n00b :P | Mar 13 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | redhat makes snapshots | Mar 13 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | its like ubuntu making debian snapshots | Mar 13 04:26 |
| lantizia | oh I know how it works | Mar 13 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | fedora 12 has kde 4.4 | Mar 13 04:26 |
| lantizia | its a matter of wondering how much influence there is :P | Mar 13 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | no backports or ppa required | Mar 13 04:27 |
| Ender2070 | :P | Mar 13 04:27 |
| Ender2070 | superior | Mar 13 04:27 |
| lantizia | bollox :) | Mar 13 04:27 |
| Ender2070 | no unstable repo needed | Mar 13 04:27 |
| *lantizia makes a debian-swirl flag and hoists is high above | Mar 13 04:27 | |
| lantizia | *it | Mar 13 04:27 |
| Ender2070 | kde 4.4.1 soon enough too | Mar 13 04:27 |
| lantizia | i generally hate KDE, but the mint version I'm downloading almost makes it worth using | Mar 13 04:28 |
| lantizia | firefox, songbird, lots of other nice gtk apps lol | Mar 13 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | bah i dont like mint | Mar 13 04:28 |
| lantizia | konquerer and amarok can get stuffed | Mar 13 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | i'd rather use the distro when it releases, not several months later | Mar 13 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | i know how to install codecs | Mar 13 04:29 |
| lantizia | and I'd rather my distro sit still for 6 months unless I override a particular package to be better for a good reason | Mar 13 04:29 |
| Ender2070 | chromium + amarok > firefox and songbird | Mar 13 04:29 |
| Ender2070 | thats your freedom :) | Mar 13 04:29 |
| Ender2070 | i'd rather have new | Mar 13 04:30 |
| Ender2070 | if programs were people would you want to be less evolved? | Mar 13 04:31 |
| lantizia | personally I wish ubuntu made more of an effort PPA wise (and opened it up to debian users - you know give something back)... stopped doing server editions (let debian deal with that)... and only release once every 12 months so they can get it right for desktop users | Mar 13 04:31 |
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| Ender2070 | you know what | Mar 13 04:31 |
| Ender2070 | why don't you do it | Mar 13 04:31 |
| lantizia | do what? | Mar 13 04:32 |
| Ender2070 | instead of telling ubuntu what it should it do | Mar 13 04:32 |
| Ender2070 | make your own distro with a 1 year cycle | Mar 13 04:32 |
| lantizia | have thought about it, would be similar to dreamlinux if I did it (i.e. based on debian testing) | Mar 13 04:33 |
| lantizia | with an extra repo for other stuff thats distro specific along side the official debian one | Mar 13 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | i would use the fedora base | Mar 13 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | less work for SELinux | Mar 13 04:33 |
| lantizia | fedora sucks :) | Mar 13 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | you suck | Mar 13 04:34 |
| lantizia | yeah I do actually, I'm told I can suck quite well ;P | Mar 13 04:34 |
| oiaohm | lantizia: How long have you been using Linux. | Mar 13 04:34 |
| oiaohm | I don't think like me since 1996 | Mar 13 04:35 |
| lantizia | oiaohm, on and off since 13 | Mar 13 04:35 |
| lantizia | so yeah 1996 is about right | Mar 13 04:35 |
| oiaohm | So by now you should have learnt what is good now could be crud in future. | Mar 13 04:35 |
| lantizia | im 25 now (was my birthday on monday :P) | Mar 13 04:35 |
| lantizia | oiaohm, your point? | Mar 13 04:36 |
| oiaohm | 1996 was my first workstation usage. | Mar 13 04:36 |
| oiaohm | I was missing around with freebsd on and off before that lantizia | Mar 13 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Messing | Mar 13 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | openbsd is better | Mar 13 04:36 |
| lantizia | thats very nice for you, I'm sure I have a medal here somewhere | Mar 13 04:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Starting to like Vimperator, "vimification" of firefox! | Mar 13 04:36 | |
| lantizia | what are you getting at? | Mar 13 04:36 |
| oiaohm | KDE has a plan. | Mar 13 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Gnome not so much. | Mar 13 04:37 |
| lantizia | well it's best I'm trying to make the switch then | Mar 13 04:37 |
| Ender2070 | Gnome's plans are to gather income from ms | Mar 13 04:37 |
| lantizia | I've been wanting to since my N900 is going Qt based anyway... and get more acquainted with Qt Creator | Mar 13 04:37 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.0 to 4.2 was basically out to get user. 4.3 and latter each of them is getting more and more userfriendly. | Mar 13 04:38 |
| Ender2070 | have you tried Qt Quacker ? | Mar 13 04:38 |
| Ender2070 | it turns code into pure qt | Mar 13 04:38 |
| lantizia | never heard of it | Mar 13 04:38 |
| oiaohm | The cost of rippering core code out interface design is pain. lantizia | Mar 13 04:38 |
| lantizia | I've been in gtk/gnome/xfce/lxde world till now - the only time I meddled with kde was mandrake years back | Mar 13 04:39 |
| oiaohm | KDE has always had a disadvantage on Linux due to g++ poor optimiseation of C++ | Mar 13 04:40 |
| lantizia | how about this question then if your such kde supporters :)... best KDE distro thats apt/deb based? | Mar 13 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Me at moment are on debian running 4.3 Ok not perfect but good enough. | Mar 13 04:40 |
| lantizia | lenny/squeeze/sid? | Mar 13 04:40 |
| oiaohm | All lantizia | Mar 13 04:40 |
| cubezzz | older KDE was better :) | Mar 13 04:41 |
| lantizia | lol that bad | Mar 13 04:41 |
| oiaohm | My debian is hibred. lantizia | Mar 13 04:41 |
| lantizia | oh dear hehe | Mar 13 04:41 |
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| cubezzz | just use the command line :) | Mar 13 04:41 |
| cubezzz | lynx -accept-all-cookies "http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q="$1 | Mar 13 04:42 |
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| oiaohm | The update of core saw a lot for kde 3.5 features disappear from KDE 4.x that are coming back now. | Mar 13 04:42 |
| lantizia | 4.3.4 is the version Mint 8 comes with | Mar 13 04:42 |
| cubezzz | there's been no OS version I've been completely happy with | Mar 13 04:42 |
| lantizia | cubezzz, me neither | Mar 13 04:43 |
| lantizia | server wise I'm more than content with stable debian however - can't fault it | Mar 13 04:43 |
| lantizia | but desktop wise I'm restless | Mar 13 04:43 |
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| cubezzz | the trouble with KDE is they decided to change everything | Mar 13 04:44 |
| oiaohm | 4.3 kde is tolleratable. I stuck with 3.5 until 4.3 was released. | Mar 13 04:44 |
| lantizia | well since I was never someone who used the old version much I shouldn't notice | Mar 13 04:44 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: they had no option but to break the base. | Mar 13 04:44 |
| lantizia | I do find the default KDE apps suck like hell however | Mar 13 04:45 |
| lantizia | Qthis, Kthat | Mar 13 04:45 |
| oiaohm | Really. | Mar 13 04:45 |
| cubezzz | it's not that bad | Mar 13 04:45 |
| oiaohm | These days there are more applications G that. | Mar 13 04:45 |
| lantizia | probably my usual gtk culprits will be back, songbird, firefox, thunderbird, xchat, pidgin | Mar 13 04:45 |
| oiaohm | I use kontact for email a lot. | Mar 13 04:45 |
| cubezzz | mutt :) | Mar 13 04:45 |
| cubezzz | no more to say :) | Mar 13 04:46 |
| lantizia | god kontact is dreadful! | Mar 13 04:46 |
| lantizia | it's the KDE app interfaces that annoy me... all that silly vertical action sidebar stuff | Mar 13 04:46 |
| cubezzz | guys, there's a text based system too :) | Mar 13 04:46 |
| lantizia | and stupid green dragons everywhere | Mar 13 04:46 |
| cubezzz | it's not perfect | Mar 13 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Gears in kde are more common than dragons. | Mar 13 04:46 |
| cubezzz | I still use 3.4.2 | Mar 13 04:47 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] yesterday i had a session on "7 habits of highly effective ppl" by a franklincovey certified trainer, it was good. #ftw | Mar 13 04:47 | |
| lantizia | oiaohm, novell make substantial contribs to KDE as well as gnome | Mar 13 04:47 |
| lantizia | oiaohm, they've not planted any mines under the KDE bonet too have they? | Mar 13 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Not so much to KDE lantizia | Mar 13 04:48 |
| cubezzz | sound config is pretty crazy too | Mar 13 04:48 |
| lantizia | oiaohm, thats not what wikipedia tells me | Mar 13 04:48 |
| lantizia | oiaohm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE#Desktop_innovations_.28KDE.29 | Mar 13 04:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: openSUSE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 87.77 KB | Mar 13 04:48 |
| oiaohm | KDE foundation is highly resistant to taking up gnome tech. | Mar 13 04:48 |
| lantizia | "SUSE has been a leading contributor to KDE for many years, and now SUSE sponsors more developers to work directly on KDE than any other distribution. Hence, SUSE's contributions in this area have been very wide-ranging, and affecting many parts of KDE such as kdelibs and kdebase, kdepim, and kdenetwork" | Mar 13 04:48 |
| oiaohm | And mono tech lantizia | Mar 13 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Funny part here lantizia SUSE is the most out of distributions. | Mar 13 04:49 |
| cubezzz | seriously I try to use the command line as much as possible | Mar 13 04:49 |
| oiaohm | The most coders are IBM from one single company lantizia | Mar 13 04:49 |
| lantizia | cubezzz, hi | Mar 13 04:49 |
| oiaohm | KDE foundation numbers more come from non distributions than anything else. lantizia | Mar 13 04:49 |
| lantizia | cubezzz, i acknowledge you exist :) go back to sleep | Mar 13 04:50 |
| oiaohm | These days Nokia is also another big KDE player. | Mar 13 04:50 |
| oiaohm | They provide many times what Novell does. | Mar 13 04:50 |
| lantizia | yeah thats my main reason for getting in bed with KDE | Mar 13 04:50 |
| oiaohm | KDE also does not like downstream altering. | Mar 13 04:51 |
| oiaohm | That has put them off side with lots of distributions over time. | Mar 13 04:51 |
| lantizia | I'm a java programmer mainly (before that VB6 in the windows days) looking for something else to learn... that means (in terms of integrated cross platform tech)... either MonoDevelop or Qt Creator lol | Mar 13 04:51 |
| lantizia | there GTK/C ide's out there... but C is ooooold and gnome are leaning towards mono anyway | Mar 13 04:51 |
| oiaohm | There is vala as well lantizia | Mar 13 04:52 |
| lantizia | link | Mar 13 04:52 |
| oiaohm | http://live.gnome.org/Vala | Mar 13 04:53 |
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| cubezzz | KDE runs slow on old hardware too | Mar 13 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Define old. cubezzz | Mar 13 04:54 |
| cubezzz | p3 550 | Mar 13 04:54 |
| oiaohm | I have seen it run well on that. | Mar 13 04:54 |
| cubezzz | sluggish :) | Mar 13 04:54 |
| oiaohm | But there is a catch of course. | Mar 13 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Modern video card. | Mar 13 04:54 |
| cubezzz | ah, yes that would be a big help | Mar 13 04:55 |
| cubezzz | do they still make AGP cards? | Mar 13 04:55 |
| lantizia | i've got a few still :) want one?# | Mar 13 04:55 |
| cubezzz | it's probably better than what I got :) | Mar 13 04:56 |
| cubezzz | at least in this box | Mar 13 04:56 |
| lantizia | right well im off for a bit | Mar 13 04:56 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, but how much is the video card vs. the cpu? | Mar 13 04:56 |
| lantizia | and to think earlier I almost thought "pah, i'm sure mono is harmless" | Mar 13 04:56 |
| cubezzz | is the video card more important? | Mar 13 04:57 |
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| oiaohm | KDE 4 is really designed to use video card. | Mar 13 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Without a good video card can drop a lot of load back on cpu. | Mar 13 04:57 |
| cubezzz | hmmm there's AGP 8x | Mar 13 04:57 |
| oiaohm | I am not talking something that great. | Mar 13 04:57 |
| cubezzz | not sure if this old motherboard can use that | Mar 13 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Like a 4 year old Nvidia | Mar 13 04:57 |
| oiaohm | It has the gurnt. | Mar 13 04:58 |
| oiaohm | But something from the P3 550 time frame is basically ball less. | Mar 13 04:58 |
| cubezzz | I see :) | Mar 13 04:58 |
| cubezzz | I was always wondering if they was a hardware assisted encode AND decode | Mar 13 04:59 |
| cubezzz | then I could keep the p3 forever | Mar 13 04:59 |
| oiaohm | glsl shader support from mesa also suxed. | Mar 13 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie kde 4 exploits glsl shaders as well. | Mar 13 04:59 |
| oiaohm | That is basically the problem with KDE and old machines. No dencent video card forces the usage of mesa that has for years sux. So performance hurts. | Mar 13 05:01 |
| oiaohm | To be correct QT4 and old machines cubezzz | Mar 13 05:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm going to keep all my source code for 3.4.2 | Mar 13 05:02 |
| cubezzz | then when this motherboard finally goes, I'll rebuild 3.4.2 again :) | Mar 13 05:02 |
| cubezzz | or 3.5.X | Mar 13 05:03 |
| cubezzz | ok, everything is AGP 8x | Mar 13 05:03 |
| oiaohm | The issue will improve as mesa shader support improvements come through. cubezzz | Mar 13 05:04 |
| oiaohm | http://zrusin.blogspot.com/2010/03/software-renderer.html We are not talking small ammounts of speed improvements cubezzz | Mar 13 05:06 |
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| cubezzz | well that sounds good, but I wonder when that will happen | Mar 13 05:07 |
| oiaohm | At current progression middle of this year. | Mar 13 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Ie if nothing unseen appears to slow it down. | Mar 13 05:08 |
| cubezzz | ok, evidently my AGP slot is 2x | Mar 13 05:13 |
| cubezzz | so I don't even know if one of these modern AGP cards will work | Mar 13 05:13 |
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| oiaohm | Ok so that is sitting on a really old board. cubezzz | Mar 13 05:18 |
| oiaohm | I was lucky enough to have a board with 4x AGP. cubezzz | Mar 13 05:18 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think that means I have AGP 1.0 | Mar 13 05:19 |
| cubezzz | "A 32-bit channel operating at 66 MHz resulting in a maximum data rate of 266 megabytes per second (MB/s), doubled from the 133 MB/s transfer rate of PCI bus 33 MHz / 32-bit; 3.3 V signaling" | Mar 13 05:19 |
| cubezzz | I probaby can't use one of these AGP 8x cards | Mar 13 05:20 |
| cubezzz | not unless they can step down to 2x? | Mar 13 05:20 |
| WireWulf | i think they can | Mar 13 05:20 |
| WireWulf | i know they step down to 4x | Mar 13 05:21 |
| cubezzz | the voltage matters too | Mar 13 05:21 |
| cubezzz | I have 3.3 Volt | Mar 13 05:22 |
| cubezzz | AGP 4x is 1.5 volt | Mar 13 05:23 |
| cubezzz | so it's a no go | Mar 13 05:23 |
| cubezzz | and AGP 8x is different again :) | Mar 13 05:23 |
| cubezzz | this is my limit: | Mar 13 05:23 |
| cubezzz | "AGP 2x | Mar 13 05:24 |
| cubezzz | A 32-bit channel operating at 66 MHz double pumped to an effective 133 MHz resulting in a maximum data rate of 533 MB/s; signaling voltages the same as AGP 1x" | Mar 13 05:24 |
| cubezzz | doesn't seem there's any way around it | Mar 13 05:24 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty much new motherboard time, and basically new everything else | Mar 13 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Some AGP 4x cards see 3.3 volt and switch to 2x | Mar 13 05:24 |
| cubezzz | hrmm, that's interesting | Mar 13 05:25 |
| oiaohm | 8x is 100 percent no go. | Mar 13 05:25 |
| cubezzz | if I knew which one would work that would be good :) | Mar 13 05:25 |
| cubezzz | probably time for a new computer :-0 | Mar 13 05:26 |
| cubezzz | seems like experimenting could be dangerous | Mar 13 05:27 |
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| cubezzz | actually the cards are keyed so you can't mess it up | Mar 13 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, That's still what's wrong with the world | Mar 13 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | warning labels and idiotproof products | Mar 13 05:31 |
| cubezzz | K7X has a AGP pro slot | Mar 13 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | they need to stop making either of those and let the world sort itself out | Mar 13 05:31 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, I'm actually glad they keyed the different AGP cards | Mar 13 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | take the warning labels off everything and let the world sort itself out | Mar 13 05:32 |
| cubezzz | and there's two different AGP Pro slots | Mar 13 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | for as Bill Hicks would say "We lost some gas station attendants" | Mar 13 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | "I don't think we lost any cancer cures thre" | Mar 13 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | "The shuttle launch will not be delayed over this" | Mar 13 05:33 |
| Omar87 | Buenos dias/tardes/(Buenas noches) everyone! :-) | Mar 13 05:33 |
| cubezzz | who is Bill Hicks? | Mar 13 05:33 |
| cubezzz | later Omar87 | Mar 13 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Best Comedian ever | Mar 13 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | tragically died in 1994 | Mar 13 05:34 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, actually I'm staying here. :-) | Mar 13 05:34 |
| cubezzz | oh sorry :) | Mar 13 05:34 |
| cubezzz | welcome back then :) | Mar 13 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, He was making fun of some Judas Priest fans that killed themselves in that act | Mar 13 05:35 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, lol :P | Mar 13 05:35 |
| cubezzz | ah I remember that | Mar 13 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_69yvFZH9U | Mar 13 05:35 |
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| cubezzz | that was a long time ago | Mar 13 05:35 |
| cubezzz | 1990 wasn't it? | Mar 13 05:36 |
| cubezzz | and they were under the influence of drugs... | Mar 13 05:37 |
| cubezzz | "do it" <- could be interpreted almost as anything | Mar 13 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8563985.stm | Mar 13 05:42 |
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| DaemonFC | zomg, where did this come from!?!?!? lulz! | Mar 13 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | Cause everyone else in the world still makes stuff, right? | Mar 13 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 13 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Carbon caps are really just the foreign interests trying to seal the deal and make sure that the last 10% of our manufacturing base heads to China | Mar 13 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | where they're EXEMPT | Mar 13 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 13 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | maybe we should agree to caps, when every other country in the world agrees to the same caps | Mar 13 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | China keeps getting to exempt itself from all of these treaties for some reason | Mar 13 05:46 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] shapado.com is a FOSS replacement of stackoverflow.com @shapado thanks for following me. | Mar 13 05:47 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "[My Father] taught me that a real man doesn’t take, he gives." - Kevin Smith #quote | Mar 13 06:02 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/24575110 "@schestowitz because of what's happening to novell, redmond is like "ubuntu next!" (i know. too crazy for me to believe either. but...)" http://identi.ca/notice/24577375 "@schestowitz i don't know if i can read much more cnet until they sack matt asay." | Mar 13 06:11 |
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| cubezzz | k7x supports 4x agp | Mar 13 06:30 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-sleep | Mar 13 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC | The Weather Channel makes contributions to Mesa? :P | Mar 13 06:38 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/03/palin-god-wrote-palm-hand/ | Mar 13 06:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Palin: Writing on palms was good enough for God | Raw Story .::. Size~: 49.59 KB | Mar 13 06:40 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/03/limbaugh-leaving-country-health-reform/ | Mar 13 06:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Limbaugh leaving the country if health reform passes | Raw Story .::. Size~: 51.39 KB | Mar 13 06:41 |
| schestowitz | Send him to Peru | Mar 13 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, God told me to sleep all day and get plenty of salt in my diet | Mar 13 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm doing it and nothing can defy the will of God right? | Mar 13 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 13 06:41 |
| schestowitz | meh. | Mar 13 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 13 06:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/03/scouts-founder-held-talks-nazis-uk-secret-files/ | Mar 13 06:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Scouts founder held talks with Nazis: UK secret files | Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.38 KB | Mar 13 06:42 |
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| cubezzz | Baden Powell? | Mar 13 06:45 |
| cubezzz | huh I didn't know that | Mar 13 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, schestowitz gnome shell is running a LOT better as of today's Mesa snapshot | Mar 13 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=e167403e5809c447870644bd9ea09fad369706cf | Mar 13 06:46 |
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| DaemonFC | I suspect that's what did it | Mar 13 06:46 |
| tessier__ | Britain didn't declare war on Germany until 1939. I wonder how much BP knew about what Hitler was really up to. | Mar 13 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_, Look up Neville Chamberlain | Mar 13 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | he was appeasing Hitler | Mar 13 07:09 |
| tessier__ | It seems BP wanted peace between the nations. | Mar 13 07:09 |
| tessier__ | Chamberlain didn't want war. Can't blame him. | Mar 13 07:10 |
| tessier__ | "peace for our time" right? | Mar 13 07:10 |
| tessier__ | He was wrong, in hindsight. But that couldn't be known at the time. | Mar 13 07:10 |
| Omar87 | Ughh!! Ballmer's "Advertisers, advertisers, advertisers" video never ceases to turn my stomach! >< | Mar 13 07:11 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 36 hours in Goa, india : http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/travel/14hours.html #travel | Mar 13 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | Indigestion? | Mar 13 07:22 |
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| cubezzz | ok, the comments are just silly :) | Mar 13 07:24 |
| cubezzz | I was in Scouts, and we definitely were not Nazis :) | Mar 13 07:24 |
| cubezzz | BP was _way_ before my time | Mar 13 07:24 |
| cubezzz | pretty much a Universal group, didnt hate anyone | Mar 13 07:25 |
| tessier__ | That was my experience also. | Mar 13 07:25 |
| cubezzz | I've never heard of "rank of Life" though | Mar 13 07:27 |
| cubezzz | I don't think we had Eagle scouts either | Mar 13 07:28 |
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| cubezzz | no doubt that was an American thing | Mar 13 07:28 |
| tessier__ | Yes, we had Eagle Scouts. | Mar 13 07:28 |
| tessier__ | That was the highest rank. | Mar 13 07:28 |
| tessier__ | Kinda wish I had made it that far. But I was only in scouts for two or three years before we moved to an area where it just wasn't popular | Mar 13 07:29 |
| cubezzz | we had Chief's Scout award instead | Mar 13 07:29 |
| cubezzz | and "Queen's Venturer Award" | Mar 13 07:29 |
| cubezzz | I was in Venturers too :) | Mar 13 07:30 |
| cubezzz | went to the Jamboree in 1981 | Mar 13 07:31 |
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| cubezzz | I think that was just Canadian Scouts though | Mar 13 07:32 |
| cubezzz | actually there's a schism in Canadian Scouting now | Mar 13 07:33 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/87506437.html | Mar 13 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | Knuth is religious:.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPpk-1btGZk | Mar 13 08:13 |
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| tessier__ | schestowitz: yeah, plays the organ in his church and everything | Mar 13 08:21 |
| tessier__ | I bet he is relatively sane about his religion though. | Mar 13 08:21 |
| tessier__ | DaemonFC: I would love to know how you recover almost all of 200,000 gallons of diesel fuel spilled on the ground. | Mar 13 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I knew he played the organ but thought it was musical alone | Mar 13 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_, They got most of it | Mar 13 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | there was some kind of retainment thing surrounding the tank | Mar 13 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Al Bundy in The Phantom of the Opera | Mar 13 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | "I'll just sit here then and play with my organ" | Mar 13 08:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Linux.com launches #Linux #Store. Interesting! | Mar 13 08:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Linux.com launches #Linux #Store. Interesting! > http://store.linux.com/ | Mar 13 08:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | Bill Hicks said "Non-smokers die every day" | Mar 13 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's true | Mar 13 08:41 |
| tessier__ | Rednecks can not be expected to understand statistics. | Mar 13 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | but if they gave me $10 a day for 30 years, I'd be happy to shoot them in the back of the head | Mar 13 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_, Yeah, people get militant though about how others live life | Mar 13 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | For example, I might live 1 year longer if I didn't eat meat | Mar 13 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | and that's maybe | Mar 13 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care | Mar 13 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | those are the adult diaper years and you can keep them | Mar 13 08:43 |
| tessier__ | Unfortunately, you will care when your time comes. | Mar 13 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably have Alzheimer's anyway | Mar 13 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_, I'd have to say Right To Die with dignity and minimal suffering should exist | Mar 13 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | the way the law works now you have to be kept alive no matter how much pain you're in | Mar 13 08:45 |
| tessier__ | I agree | Mar 13 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what planet you think you're on | Mar 13 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | and no matter what your injuries are or how they disable you | Mar 13 08:46 |
| cubezzz | no | Mar 13 08:46 |
| cubezzz | they don't do that | Mar 13 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not talking about forced executions for the old and disabled | Mar 13 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'm talking if they want to go, let them | Mar 13 08:46 |
| tessier__ | The religious nutters will always point out the possibility of forced executions etc. | Mar 13 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | the idea of death scares people | Mar 13 08:47 |
| cubezzz | they disconnect people from life support under certain conditons | Mar 13 08:47 |
| cubezzz | e.g. Terry Schiavo | Mar 13 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | they want to pretend like they can legislate living forever | Mar 13 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Mar 13 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | then the president gets involved, which he should have stayed the fuck out | Mar 13 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | and congress, ditto | Mar 13 08:47 |
| cubezzz | they dont always prolong life | Mar 13 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | The religious wrong didn't have a problem with the president and congress making healthcare decisions there | Mar 13 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | did they? | Mar 13 08:48 |
| cubezzz | some people even go to Switzerland to end their life | Mar 13 08:48 |
| cubezzz | obviously you can't legistate living forever | Mar 13 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fbipigeons.com/PICTUR2.jpg | Mar 13 08:56 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIbIX9eMoWA | Mar 13 09:20 |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWuwKGqHAZw | Mar 13 09:24 |
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| Ender2070 | lol at the 7 minute mark theres a commerical thats like "wktt, because the liberals want to give your country away to illegal immigrants" | Mar 13 09:32 |
| Ender2070 | ROFL | Mar 13 09:33 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "A woman drove me to drink and I never even had the courtesy to thank her." - W. C. Fields :| #quote | Mar 13 09:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SerialTek Add Support for #Linux http://ur1.ca/pijg | Mar 13 09:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MSI Helps Build a #GNU #Linux -powered Orchestra http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=22865 | Mar 13 09:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nettops and Netbooks with #GNU #Linux Sold for Low Price http://ur1.ca/pijp [News] Nettops and Netbooks with GNU/Linux Sold for Low Price | Mar 13 09:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, those "Kenyans" who want to bring "communism" to "America" | Mar 13 09:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops. Double paste in that last one, sorry... | Mar 13 09:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Article About #IBM 's Views on #GNU #Linux #Servers http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=53E8A4F9-1A64-67EA-E48A1E9C24827E9C #fogcomputing | Mar 13 09:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kernel Summit ( #Linux ) Planned, Includes #MeeGo http://ur1.ca/pijx http://ur1.ca/pijy http://ur1.ca/pik0 | Mar 13 09:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Games Ported to #GNU #Linux, Including #Phones http://ur1.ca/pikc http://ur1.ca/pikd | Mar 13 09:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to a classic: Smoke on the water - Deep Purple. | Mar 13 09:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Phoromatic Tracker, #Phoronix TS on #Fedora 13 Alpha http://ur1.ca/pil3 http://ur1.ca/pil4 | Mar 13 09:55 | |
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| Ender2070 | more failronix benchmarks | Mar 13 09:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Increasingly Embraced, Now Funded by #Google http://blog.batoo.org/?p=167 http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1995 | Mar 13 09:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Appearance of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Debated Further http://ur1.ca/pilh http://ur1.ca/pili http://ur1.ca/pilj | Mar 13 09:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Buffalo Chooses #Linux for #Routers http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/DD-WRT-to-power-Buffalo-Wi-Fi-routers-951998.html | Mar 13 09:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: DD-WRT to power Buffalo Wi-Fi routers - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.79 KB | Mar 13 09:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Year of #Linux on the (Phone-Shaped) Desktop http://ur1.ca/pilw | Mar 13 10:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: TODAYonline | Tech | Tech Reviews | Pocket computer that's also a phone .::. Size~: 107.03 KB | Mar 13 10:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Inventor of the Cell Phone Goes for #Linux http://ur1.ca/pilz also see http://ur1.ca/pim0 http://ur1.ca/pim1 | Mar 13 10:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablets with #GNU #Linux Come in Large Quantities, Different Models http://ur1.ca/pim5 http://ur1.ca/pim6 | Mar 13 10:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source For America Denounces #MAFIAA After Smears http://ur1.ca/pim8 | Mar 13 10:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Thunderbird 3.1 Now in Beta http://ur1.ca/pimc http://ur1.ca/pimd My main mail client and browser. | Mar 13 10:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: you don't like Phoronix? | Mar 13 10:18 |
| schestowitz | I know about the deficiencies, but... | Mar 13 10:18 |
| schestowitz | In fact, I pointed them out 3 years ago and made suggestions to Michael | Mar 13 10:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Millions of Dollars Made in Business Built Around the #GPL http://opensource.com/business/10/3/building-open-source-business | Mar 13 10:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Releases #RE2 as #FreeSoftware http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/03/re2-principled-approach-to-regular.html | Mar 13 10:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenGL 3.3 & OpenGL 4.0 Are Out, Looking Good http://ur1.ca/p9kt http://ur1.ca/pio6 | Mar 13 10:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] James Murdoch Compares Sharing to Theft http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/10/murdoch-illegal-dowloading-stealing-handbag | Mar 13 10:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lord Puttnam Wants to Indoctrinate Children for Moguls http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/mar/11/film-piracy-david-puttnam | Mar 13 10:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Faces Resistance in More Countries http://ur1.ca/piop http://ur1.ca/pior | Mar 13 10:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Financial Services Go with #GNU #Linux on System z10 http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/marchapril10/casestudies/31863p1.aspx | Mar 13 10:34 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/12/new_zeus_features/ Criminals like MS money making methods. | Mar 13 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: what's up with the Mono audio/video? | Mar 13 10:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | Mar 13 10:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AstroTurfing for Vista 7 Still Alive http://ur1.ca/piut Andre Da Costa is still trolling the competition of #Vista7 | Mar 13 11:09 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AstroTurfing for Vista 7 Still Alive | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.32 KB | Mar 13 11:09 |
| schestowitz | "@msasay don't let your self be trolling by Microsoft AstroTurfers ("Mr Dee") http://ur1.ca/piut it's called "perception management"" | Mar 13 11:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AstroTurfing for Vista 7 Still Alive | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 89.32 KB | Mar 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | LEt's see what he says | Mar 13 11:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Amazed at how Microsoft people believe that inbreed technologies (like Exchange/Outlook) are state of the art for groupware... | Mar 13 11:10 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/11/shots-fired-at-vista-birthday-party-man-arrested/ | Mar 13 11:19 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Shots fired at Vista birthday party, man arrested - SignOnSanDiego.com .::. Size~: 69.75 KB | Mar 13 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 13 11:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Koln (Cologne) libraries publishing their catalogues as Open Data http://www.hbz-nrw.de/dokumentencenter/presse/pm/datenfreigabe_engl | Mar 13 11:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: hbz — March 2010: Releasing catalogue data: Cologne-based libraries to pioneer Open Data practices .::. Size~: 30.46 KB | Mar 13 11:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] For those w think I live outside corporate world, I'll be 10 years old at my current job this year. Portuguese find this company essential. | Mar 13 11:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Even if most of them don't even know its name :) | Mar 13 11:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Speak with a "average" user of Windows 7 after its been running for a few weeks. In my experience, theres some unhappy people. #microsoft | Mar 13 11:27 | |
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| Murloc | Sup people | Mar 13 11:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having said that, Linux (and Apple) users should have sympathy for those Windows users who are still suffering malware and exploits. | Mar 13 11:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz The only thing I'd say on your article would be the comments on Mandriva. Ive never had a good experience with it! | Mar 13 11:32 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "Deputies said the man’s girlfriend was uncooperative and gave several stories during the investigation. The man was booked into Vista jail" | Mar 13 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Isn't Vista ALREADY a jail | Mar 13 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Murloc | Mar 13 11:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I know, I remembered that | Mar 13 11:48 | |
| Murloc | Meh vista is just big error | Mar 13 11:49 |
| Murloc | itself | Mar 13 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703447104575117711607045940.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines | Mar 13 11:50 |
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| DaemonFC | "Attorney General Greg Zoeller said U.S. District Judge James Moody's decision marked the first time a city government had been adjudged a corrupt organization under federal racketeering laws." | Mar 13 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Mar 13 11:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Demand to see Iron Sky! http://www.ironsky.net/demand/ | Mar 13 11:56 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Support : Iron Sky :: Official Movie Site .::. Size~: 13.5 KB | Mar 13 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ethiopianreview.com/news/14780 | Mar 13 12:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vulture Fund Rumoured to be Planning to Break #Novell Apart, Vultures Deny the Claim http://ur1.ca/pj00 | Mar 13 12:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Vulture Fund Rumoured to be Planning to Break Novell Apart, Vultures Deny the Claim | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.32 KB | Mar 13 12:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pope himself moves paedophile priest rather than turn him in http://is.gd/asW9X <-- Catholics: YOUR DONATIONS AT WORK | Mar 13 12:12 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pope knew priest was paedophile but allowed him to continue with ministry -Times Online .::. Size~: 101.16 KB | Mar 13 12:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin y'know we were fine with Windows 7, for what it was. That said, XP on the same box was a lot faster. | Mar 13 12:19 | |
| Murloc | XP doesn't have a bunch of stuff. | Mar 13 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://sify.com/finance/us-connects-to-india-with-apples-nuts-news-default-kdmnuegbifg.html | Mar 13 12:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: US connects to India with apples, nuts .::. Size~: 113.47 KB | Mar 13 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently we do export more than patents | Mar 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto | Mar 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Patented seeds | Mar 13 12:25 |
| omar_ | Hi all. | Mar 13 12:31 |
| *omar_ is now known as Omar87 | Mar 13 12:35 | |
| Omar87 | clear | Mar 13 12:36 |
| Omar87 | LOL! :P | Mar 13 12:36 |
| Omar87 | Amazing how things can end up after years of a romantic story with M$. | Mar 13 12:37 |
| Omar87 | Novell really, truthfully deserve all the misery they are soaked in now. | Mar 13 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, Can I interest you in some Indiana popcorn? | Mar 13 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 13 12:41 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, what? | Mar 13 12:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sophie just asked me what my favorite song of all time is. I just found it on the Ubuntu One Music Store and played it to her :) | Mar 13 12:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #SCO orchestrated attacks on #Groklaw and other takes on the trial against #Novell http://ur1.ca/pjf8 | Mar 13 12:47 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Latest SCO-Novell Drama in a Nutshell | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.54 KB | Mar 13 12:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Filing a bug in U1MS because I can't post a link to the song on IM/IRC/twitter | Mar 13 12:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Filed bug 538412 http://bit.ly/araSZQ "U1MS needs a system of recognising links to songs". Probably a "wishlist" item. | Mar 13 12:54 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug #538412 in The Ubuntu Music Store Rhythmbox plugin: “U1MS needs a system of recognising links to songs” .::. Size~: 29.84 KB | Mar 13 12:54 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 13 12:55 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/the-price-is-creepy-bob-b_n_492442.html | Mar 13 13:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Expedia say airline want my passport#, now on hold for fucking ever. Here's to http://saynoto0870.com | Mar 13 13:21 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SAYNOTO0870.COM - Non-Geographical Alternative Telephone Numbers .::. Size~: 12.22 KB | Mar 13 13:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "Since I upgraded my Acer Aspire 6930 from Vista to Windows 7 I have been having many issues...." http://tinyurl.com/yfpmzw2 #windows7 | Mar 13 13:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Windows 7 problems .::. Size~: 47.49 KB | Mar 13 13:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "these are some of the problems faced by me on the operating system windows7" http://tinyurl.com/yc9zv2a #windows7 #microsoft | Mar 13 13:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh, the Grece bailout is destroying the Euro | Mar 13 13:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Don't worry though Windows 7 customers...as they always say "It will be better next time" #windows7 #microsoft #vista #xp | Mar 13 13:31 | |
| DaemonFC | awesome B-) | Mar 13 13:31 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ted.com/ If you have not found you way there already schestowitz | Mar 13 13:53 |
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| DaemonFC | If life gives you water, high fructose corn syrup, lemon juice from concentrate, natural flavors, citric acid, modified cornstarch, glycerol, ester of wood rosin, sodium hexametaphosphate, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate, EDTA, and yellow #5, make lemonade | Mar 13 14:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Malware authors picking up tricks from their enablers at Microsoft - hardware-locked market segmentation! http://is.gd/atLxu | Mar 13 14:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Trojan armed with hardware-based anti-piracy control • The Register .::. Size~: 20.73 KB | Mar 13 14:45 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Mar 13 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | badass trojan | Mar 13 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if the people that made it jump up and down | Mar 13 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | shout DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! | Mar 13 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps throw chairs | Mar 13 15:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Return to Vermillion Sands. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/30773.html | Mar 13 15:25 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: reddragdiva | Return to Vermillion Sands. .::. Size~: 30.21 KB | Mar 13 15:25 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, lol. :P | Mar 13 15:30 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, actually now it's "ADVERTISERS!!! ADVERTISERS!!! ADVERTISERS!!!". | Mar 13 15:32 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, 'coz developers have done their job and can go to hell now, ya know. | Mar 13 15:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ripping CDs (and packing away in a box to make room) to FLAC with Sound Juicer on #ubuntu | Mar 13 15:42 | |
| DaemonFC | Omar87, They should go further | Mar 13 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | write an entire platform that is marketed to consumers as OS software, but is really a platform for malware to run on | Mar 13 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | and take kickbacks from "anti-malware" companies on top of retail sales | Mar 13 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's where the money really is | Mar 13 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | wonder why nobody has thought of that before :) | Mar 13 15:46 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, but haven't they already done just that? :P | Mar 13 15:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] first TLLTS interview in ages that's unlistenable due to the persistent kettle noise | Mar 13 16:21 | |
| DaemonFC | yay, the state government violated our constitution and we're now $1.6 billion in debt to the Federal government | Mar 13 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | You see how easily the constitution is bypassed when it's convenient for the government? | Mar 13 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | The constitution clearly bans what they just did. | Mar 13 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | No wiggle room. | Mar 13 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Could be worse... look at California | Mar 13 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Washington is also on the brink of collapse | Mar 13 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, California is just....iccck | Mar 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | For the Euro not to be affected by Greek tragedy we needed to keep your banksters off the continents, notable Gold Man's Axe. | Mar 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | idiotic spending all around | Mar 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: IIRC, 2 trillion dollars in debt | Mar 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Ze Terminator will terminate ze debt | Mar 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | He'll march with machine guns to DC | Mar 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, California was issueing tax returns as IOUs | Mar 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | *issuing | Mar 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | bet people don't have as much withheld from now on | Mar 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | usually you do that thinking you'll get it back right away at the start of next year | Mar 13 16:29 |
| schestowitz | There's a new wiki to collect dirt on the potential successor from ebay | Mar 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's eastimated that over 26,000 Indiana residents have unclaimed 2006 tax return money that the IRS has | Mar 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | and gets to keep if they don't file a 2006 return by April 15th | Mar 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | nationwide, that's $1.5 billion that the Treasury gets to seize | Mar 13 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | notice how if they owe you money, they never have to tell you or pay it back if you don't notice within 3 years | Mar 13 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | but if you owe them, they have 7 years and can do all kinds of nasty shit to get it out of you | Mar 13 16:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Package ArpON has been approved will push it on Tuesday #Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=551651 | Mar 13 16:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik heb altijd wat moeite met Neelie Kroes gehad, was zeer verwonderd dat ze stappen tegen Microsoft heeft ondernomen. | Mar 13 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ze kon blijkbaar niet anders, het blijft een enge heks IMHO. Een rechtse rakker en Bildenberg monster. | Mar 13 16:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Volgens mij is ze dik bevriend met Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, oh de gruwel, mag ik even een braakbakje? | Mar 13 16:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik realiseer mij, dat het alles behalve rationeel klinkt, maar ik krijg spontane braakneigingen als ik aan Microsoft denk, WALGELIJK! | Mar 13 16:48 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Now following @shawnp0wers , Linux journal editor, writer,geek :) | Mar 13 16:57 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, basically, are we witnessing another SCO story? | Mar 13 17:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Acacia , #i4i , #Tuxera , #Monsanto , #Apple, and #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/pkas | Mar 13 17:11 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: not yet | Mar 13 17:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I see. But soon, perhaps? | Mar 13 17:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, btw, typo detected: "which *is/are* far worse than Fox"... | Mar 13 17:14 |
| _Goblin | right....back... | Mar 13 17:44 |
| _Goblin | for a bit anyway. | Mar 13 17:44 |
| _Goblin | still been catching up on the latest. | Mar 13 17:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Build Service 1.7.2, live.opensuse.org, and OpenSUSE on TV http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/13/business-as-usual-community/ | Mar 13 17:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Put my vote in for the Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase. Some great submissions this time around. http://bit.ly/MA5uX | Mar 13 17:54 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Freedom walk : http://ideasareimmortal.blogspot.com/2010/03/freedom-walks-by-free-software-movemnt.html | Mar 13 17:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SUSE in Hush Mode, #Lindows Called “Worst Product Ever”, #Samsung ’s #Bada Revisited http://ur1.ca/pkjh | Mar 13 18:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell News Summary Part II: SUSE in Hush Mode, Lindows Called “Worst Product Ever”, Samsungs Bada Revisited | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.04 KB | Mar 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | omar_: thanks, typo fixed | Mar 13 18:11 |
| omar_ | schestowitz, any time. | Mar 13 18:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Ok, You are GNU/Linux User/Developer and you have not used webmin? uhh. install webmin and open https://localhost:10000, I hope u will enjoy | Mar 13 18:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Management/From-the-Bubble-to-the-Burst-A-Look-Back-at-25-Years-of-Dotcom-691428/ | Mar 13 19:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Não, não queremos que a Net seja como a Rádio e a TV. A Net é bidireccional, somos prosumidores! http://tr.im/RK9n | Mar 13 19:04 | |
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| Ender2070 | [05:35] <schestowitz> Ender2070: what's up with the Mono audio/video? | Mar 13 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | im working on it, just been busy with my book | Mar 13 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | lyx is sweet | Mar 13 19:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oh dear, I know I should ignore the lunatic, yet "Hadron" da q00k, totally pissed me off in COLA for a change :-( | Mar 13 19:23 | |
| Ender2070 | ill have the video done this weekend I think | Mar 13 19:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft been lifting code again? – & Windows Mobile decline? http://tinyurl.com/yd4ybg5 #microsoft #windows #fail | Mar 13 19:39 | |
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| schestowitz | http://doctormo.ubuntu-ma.us/2010/03/12/ubuntu-art-march/ "Well, look at that. 4 wallpapers that are prettier the the blurred purple look-ma-i-use-blur-filters-in-photoshop-my-mac-instead-of-using-ubuntu wallpaper in Lucid." | Mar 13 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, lyx is sweet and easy | Mar 13 19:43 |
| schestowitz | "Iah do de text, youa do de layout!" | Mar 13 19:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst killfile it | Mar 13 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15742/here_comes_linuxs_ipad_clones | Mar 13 19:50 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: so that's your idea of Microsoft? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HazQlWgdzg | Mar 13 20:02 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: yep...I thought it fit really well. | Mar 13 20:06 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Ive another scoop too....heres a secret recording of the telephone conversation from Microsoft to Novell after "the deal" was signed: | Mar 13 20:06 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LzmdovYoAI | Mar 13 20:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Ubuntu, It is becoming a real pain in the arse removing mono and its programmes each time it is installed or I play with pre release. | Mar 13 20:07 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.handlewithlinux.com/linux-washing-cooking | Mar 13 20:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Cool: Linux heats your meal, washes your clothes, makes for household fun | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 29.64 KB | Mar 13 20:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Deleting a blog post before it's even published because I can't be bothered dealing with the flak, which makes me sad. | Mar 13 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you had me going through YT browsing Oliver! tracks | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I was just chatting about it the other week at the gym | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | This girl commented on the film | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Microsof grabbed javascript | Mar 13 20:14 |
| schestowitz | No massive deal, but show what n00bs they employ | Mar 13 20:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey what about? | Mar 13 20:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Id just ignore him. If Hadron admitted he was telling lies, I wouldn't believe him. | Mar 13 20:16 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: lol....its surprising how the lyrics of most of the Oliver songs fit with Microsoft. | Mar 13 20:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin I usually also ignore "Hadron" only tonight, he just "pissed me off" with his stupidity and insults. | Mar 13 20:24 | |
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| WireWulf | o/ | Mar 13 20:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Ive seen some of the things he says. He is a vulgar, ignorant child. Don't let him get you down. Regards. | Mar 13 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: maybe selectively | Mar 13 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hired flunkies | Mar 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It ought to have hired hackers, not hookers | Mar 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Remember that sex&drug scandals | Mar 13 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Let's wait for the verdict. | Mar 13 20:29 |
| WireWulf | wee | Mar 13 20:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] OMG, "Ruel Smith" obviously is a sock puppet of "The Bee". | Mar 13 20:31 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: you know I like to "lighten up" my articles a little...whats the point of having Microsoft if you can't point and laugh once in a while? ;) | Mar 13 20:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin Don't worry, he already got to me in the past. I survived it. No troll can any longer insult me. I've grown a massive thick skin... | Mar 13 20:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin It's the only way to survive COLA. You already figured it all out your self, right? | Mar 13 20:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Yeah, except I try to encourage Hadron et al to display their true form, its makes for good references to behaviour of MS faithful. | Mar 13 20:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to wife give directions over the phone is painful. | Mar 13 20:52 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 13 20:58 |
| WireWulf | i c a sebsebseb | Mar 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | Mar 13 21:01 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Mar 13 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: | Mar 13 21:01 |
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| WireWulf | xshaved-head_man | Mar 13 21:01 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: xsup sup hmoefry xD | Mar 13 21:02 |
| WireWulf | *homefry | Mar 13 21:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] If you want to know what hilariously bad taste in music I have,follow me on last.fm :) http://bit.ly/bONpSh Now ripping my 80's CDs. | Mar 13 21:09 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9169478/Design_firm_accuses_Mozilla_of_UI_plagiarism | Mar 13 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | Big oops | Mar 13 21:10 |
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| balzac | yeah, read that | Mar 13 21:14 |
| balzac | I recently stole a bg gradient from a prominent website | Mar 13 21:14 |
| balzac | heh heh | Mar 13 21:14 |
| balzac | I was going to steal either the facebook or youtube thumbs-up and thumbs-down icons for for client | Mar 13 21:15 |
| balzac | i figure, let them sue | Mar 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3870281/Tech-Comics-Men-and-Facebook.htm | Mar 13 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: you can get legal ones | Mar 13 21:15 |
| balzac | who cares? | Mar 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | Mar 13 21:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: stock.xchng - the leading free stock photography site .::. Size~: 45.96 KB | Mar 13 21:15 |
| balzac | I'm going to buy things like proprietary fonts and stock-art | Mar 13 21:16 |
| balzac | but I might steal an icon or background here and there | Mar 13 21:16 |
| balzac | the company wont have the nerve to write a cease and desist | Mar 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | You can't steal these | Mar 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | You can copy | Mar 13 21:17 |
| balzac | right | Mar 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | But that's not compliant with copyright | Mar 13 21:17 |
| schestowitz | get GNUed ones | Mar 13 21:17 |
| balzac | i don't mind irritating people | Mar 13 21:17 |
| balzac | facebook won't sue me over their thumb-up/down icons | Mar 13 21:18 |
| balzac | nor youtube | Mar 13 21:18 |
| balzac | not sure which i prefer | Mar 13 21:18 |
| balzac | also, how about a hacked flash player binary ? | Mar 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/011025.html | Mar 13 21:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] :( District 9 DVD crashes VLC. Crash reporting app in Ubuntu crashes.. double fail. | Mar 13 21:18 | |
| balzac | that would really irritate adobe if i took it upon myself to distribute a hacked copy of their flash player | Mar 13 21:19 |
| balzac | of course it would only be defaced a little, not functionally compromised | Mar 13 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-403054.html | Mar 13 21:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Obama lines up with copyright owners | Tech News on ZDNet .::. Size~: 72.63 KB | Mar 13 21:20 |
| balzac | or how about subtle encroaching on others trademark claims? | Mar 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | ACTABAMA will come chasing you | Mar 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Arresting you | Mar 13 21:20 |
| balzac | I'll pee on their shoes | Mar 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Don't | Mar 13 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Put bananas under them | Mar 13 21:20 |
| balzac | I'm going to smoke crack | Mar 13 21:21 |
| balzac | again | Mar 13 21:21 |
| balzac | to make a point | Mar 13 21:21 |
| balzac | and I'll do civil disobedience on DMCA/ACTA bullsh t to make a point if I feel like it | Mar 13 21:21 |
| balzac | I'm not saying I'm consumed by the need to do these things, I'm just saying I'll do them if I want. | Mar 13 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-401689.html http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.drudgereport.com | Mar 13 21:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Drudge Report accused of serving malware | Tech News on ZDNet .::. Size~: 75.95 KB | Mar 13 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmm... | Mar 13 21:23 |
| balzac | dradgereblort.con | Mar 13 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is out of commission | Mar 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | balzac: what?? | Mar 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Are you already stoned? | Mar 13 21:24 |
| balzac | unfortunately, no | Mar 13 21:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Lords place themselves beyond reach of the law - Times Online - Surprise surprise http://tinyurl.com/yg2wwp7 | Mar 13 21:24 | |
| schestowitz | It's you body and you'll crack if you want to... | Mar 13 21:24 |
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| balzac | sober as usual | Mar 13 21:25 |
| balzac | nothing but coffee for the nth day in a row | Mar 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4 | Mar 13 21:25 |
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| balzac | when I'm really going to be indulgent, I might smoke tobacco | Mar 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/13/138210/SCO-Asked-OGara-To-Smear-Groklaw | Mar 13 21:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | SCO Asked O'Gara To Smear Groklaw .::. Size~: 145.88 KB | Mar 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | BN was also smeared | Mar 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | By Microsoft and Novell employees | Mar 13 21:27 |
| balzac | figures | Mar 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Would be nice if we also had leaked mail | Mar 13 21:27 |
| balzac | what did they say? | Mar 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Defaming of site and also individuals | Mar 13 21:28 |
| WireWulf | brb | Mar 13 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | Including some readers who were bullied | Mar 13 21:28 |
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| balzac | I think pretty soon, I'm going to build gnucrew.com | Mar 13 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62B41820100312 | Mar 13 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: invite Dick Stallman | Mar 13 21:30 |
| balzac | I've never heard him called that | Mar 13 21:31 |
| balzac | RMS would be invited, of course | Mar 13 21:31 |
| balzac | but he might find my server to be compromised by lax security policies | Mar 13 21:32 |
| balzac | I have ubuntu without mono on the server | Mar 13 21:32 |
| balzac | I dont think I have any proprietary junk on the server | Mar 13 21:32 |
| balzac | should be "kosher" | Mar 13 21:32 |
| balzac | But he won't want to use the website, I figure | Mar 13 21:33 |
| balzac | But Richard Stallman probably isn't looking for a 'hacker' club-house to join | Mar 13 21:34 |
| balzac | He maintains his own tree house. I'll ask an interviewer to get commentary from him. | Mar 13 21:34 |
| balzac | today, I'm using the internet in the manner I've read about RMS interacting | Mar 13 21:36 |
| balzac | command line interface only | Mar 13 21:36 |
| balzac | gnu screen, wget, lynx, irssi | Mar 13 21:36 |
| balzac | curl, bash | Mar 13 21:36 |
| balzac | grep to pick through the stuff I wget | Mar 13 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Steam is a pile of....... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA1Nw | Mar 13 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | You forgot emacs | Mar 13 21:38 |
| balzac | i use it every day | Mar 13 21:38 |
| balzac | but only for editing, not yet for any online interaction | Mar 13 21:38 |
| balzac | i also like the conkeror project with the emacs key-bindings and gecko renderer | Mar 13 21:39 |
| balzac | I also want to run hurd on an emulator on my server | Mar 13 21:40 |
| balzac | Eventually, I want to go like Gentoo with compiling all my own sh3t | Mar 13 21:41 |
| balzac | but I have to get familiar with a lot more stuff, and people who know this stuff are busy and private types | Mar 13 21:42 |
| balzac | i have to learn based on my own curiosity, not from any mentor | Mar 13 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/10/burma-aung-san-suu-kyi | Mar 13 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | You don't need a mentor, have a Mentos | Mar 13 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8929 | Mar 13 21:53 |
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| balzac | exactly | Mar 13 21:53 |
| balzac | *a mentos with a drop of liquid on it | Mar 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz | RMS says: "We accept this approach for addictive, deadly drugs such as tobacco and alcohol. There's no reason we cannot apply it to other, less dangerous drugs such as marijuana." | Mar 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jan-apr.html#13%20March%202010%20%28Legalizing%20marijuana%29 | Mar 13 21:53 |
| schestowitz | RMS doesn't do drugs | Mar 13 21:54 |
| schestowitz | But he doesn't think like q square | Mar 13 21:54 |
| balzac | yeah | Mar 13 21:54 |
| balzac | he might try some marijuana crackers. one of my friend's mother makes good ones. | Mar 13 21:54 |
| balzac | i don't call that "doing drugs" | Mar 13 21:55 |
| balzac | so mild and nice, i can't imagine how anybody would be negatively affected by one or two crackers | Mar 13 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/11/kansas-city-schools-closure | Mar 13 21:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: In Kansas City, school's out | Sasha Abramsky |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 198.87 KB | Mar 13 21:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/mar/11/lesbian-prom-mississippi-cancel | Mar 13 21:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: School cancels prom over fear of lesbians | Richard Adams |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 172.81 KB | Mar 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "A girl wanted to go to the prom with her girlfriend, so the school canceled the prom. The school is trying to manipulate the other students into blaming this girl for the school's decision. "The authorities" commonly use this trick. The response is to explain the trick so students learn not to fall for it." | Mar 13 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/12/2843623.htm?section=justin | Mar 13 21:57 |
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| balzac | that was pretty mean of them | Mar 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.democrats.com/democratic-partys-plan-throw-next-couple-elections | Mar 13 21:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Democratic Party's Plan To THROW The Next Couple Elections | Democrats.com .::. Size~: 25.16 KB | Mar 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz | balzac: yes, I saw a video about it | Mar 13 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Mar 13 21:59 |
| balzac | I'm in text-only mode | Mar 13 21:59 |
| balzac | i don't have a CLI-based video player installed yet | Mar 13 21:59 |
| balzac | but I'll save the url for later | Mar 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Not this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK4xvudAtVI | Mar 13 22:00 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- PROM CANCELLED TO STOP GAYS FROM ATTENDING! .::. Size~: 164.07 KB | Mar 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I can't find the video I saw before | Mar 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz | But anyway,YT is flooded with them | Mar 13 22:03 |
| balzac | i got banned from a software channel for saying how a lesbian might be my ideal software development partner | Mar 13 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/10/fridge-house-electricity-homeless "Being poor sucks in any country but especially in the US, which is so proud of being the Richest Nation on Earth that it makes sure everyone lives up to that whether they can afford to or not. Consider the case of Avondale, Arizona resident Christine Stevens, who has been in deep water (financially speaking) since losing her bank job in | Mar 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | January 2009. " | Mar 13 22:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No fridge is better than no house | Jennifer Abel |Comment is free |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 186.92 KB | Mar 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Eww..... Gene. http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2010/03/12/venture-capital-success-based-on-patents/id=9657/ | Mar 13 22:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Show Me the IP! Venture Capital Success Based on Patents | IPWatchdog.com | Patents & Patent Law .::. Size~: 108.81 KB | Mar 13 22:09 |
| schestowitz | he makes lawyers look worse than they already look | Mar 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/mar/11/technology-newsbucket-links "v" | Mar 13 22:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The lunchtime technology newsbucket: chock full o'links |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 77.15 KB | Mar 13 22:10 |
| schestowitz | "Is it a software patent, or a business method patent? Either way, the USPTO reckons it stands. Until 2017, anyhow." | Mar 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I hope y'all avoid buying Amazon :-) | Mar 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | zoobab_: junk post: http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-226480 | Mar 13 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | "Companies with a “vested interest in software patents” such as Intellectual Ventures, Microsoft, and Qualcomm also have been involved, although such patents are not currently allowed in the country, it added." http://www.ip-watch.org/weblog/2010/03/11/indian-civil-society-raises-concerns-over-us-industry-sponsored-ip-summits/ | Mar 13 22:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intellectual Property Watch » Blog Archive » Indian Civil Society Raises Concerns Over US Industry-Sponsored IP Summits .::. Size~: 46.16 KB | Mar 13 22:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @danthux #tinyogg.com is doing a great job for #vorbis/ #theora support on #html5 #gnu #fsf | Mar 13 22:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting a touch bored of ripping all my CDs :) | Mar 13 22:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Just watched a modern history of Detroit on the beeb, absolutely fascinating. | Mar 13 22:29 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Just watched a modern history of Detroit on the beeb, absolutely fascinating. | Mar 13 22:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] No wonder I like Cola Boy/7 Ways to Love, It's Saint Etienne. Didn't know that till Rhythmbox on Ubuntu told me! | Mar 13 22:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is Microsoft afraid to say the "L" word? > http://tinyurl.com/yjo3dmy | Mar 13 22:49 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss6IUTxQI88 | Mar 13 22:51 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: popey is getting a touch? Ipod Touch? Apple stuff? ^^^^^ | Mar 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Mar 13 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well so it seems from the notice | Mar 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Mar 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | "[popey] Getting a touch bored of ripping all my CDs :)"? | Mar 13 22:52 |
| MinceR | the expression is "a touch bored" | Mar 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Not so | Mar 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | it's an idiom | Mar 13 22:52 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 13 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh it's a saying | Mar 13 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | touch bored | Mar 13 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | a bit bored | Mar 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | If he had an iPod touch it would be an idiot, not an idiom | Mar 13 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | well would be kind of funny in a way if he was to announance like that, that he was going to buy an Ipod Touch | Mar 13 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | he has an old Mac, I read something, but music store in Ubuntu should replace that for him | Mar 13 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu hrm | Mar 13 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | and people like jono and popey, are going to say how great it is or whatever, for quite a long while yet, even if for a lot of users, another distro would actsually be better | Mar 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta2rF6Syi0U | Mar 13 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Ewww. | Mar 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Eww.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ml8z79XFa4&feature=related | Mar 13 22:58 |
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| sebsebseb | http://www.devx.com/enterprise/Article/44311 | Mar 13 23:06 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, Eww. | Mar 13 23:08 |
| Omar87 | ah! | Mar 13 23:08 |
| Omar87 | Okay, I really think I should go to sleep now.. -_- | Mar 13 23:08 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, that was an extremely unexplainable mistake. Sorry. | Mar 13 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: heh heh at the second comment to the article I just linked to | Mar 13 23:09 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what I wanted to say, however, is that I just read Glynn Moody's latest post. | Mar 13 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htOkZbiCbdE | Mar 13 23:09 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, it really shows how much these M$ goons have ran out of tricks. | Mar 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Goons *LOL* | Mar 13 23:10 |
| Omar87 | They ignored Linux, laughed at it, fought it, got defeated, and then came back to ignoring it again. :-) | Mar 13 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: maybe have a look at what I just linked to | Mar 13 23:11 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, devx? | Mar 13 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: yes | Mar 13 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | also that second comment, heh heh | Mar 13 23:11 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, which second comment? | Mar 13 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: the one where someone is basically saying that these billionaires are great people | Mar 13 23:16 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, LOL! | Mar 13 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: have you read it yet? | Mar 13 23:17 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, yep. :) | Mar 13 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | indeed it's quite funny really | Mar 13 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | oh the amount of stupiditly ignorant people out there, that think money and so on is power and that those with a lot of it, will do quite a lot of good with it as well | Mar 13 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | most won't | Mar 13 23:18 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, personally, I really don't know where this guy is living, but I'm sure as hell that wherever he lives, it's NOT Earth. :P | Mar 13 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | Billl Gates has given away a lot to chariety, but that's his own chariety with his wife | Mar 13 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | as soem people would say though, they would put something like this | Mar 13 23:19 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, I think it's just another form of money (and reputation) laundry. | Mar 13 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it's so, when he dies, he doesn't go to the fires of hell | Mar 13 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | doing good before he dies, because a lot of bad has happended, because of him as well | Mar 13 23:19 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, he forgot that there's a God watching his every move. | Mar 13 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: well there might not be | Mar 13 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | thats one of those things, some belive in God others don't. ,but we'll say yeah to this one | Mar 13 23:20 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, there is. | Mar 13 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: oh I think I remember which one you are now | Mar 13 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes | Mar 13 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | the | Mar 13 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes your religious | Mar 13 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: from Morocco I think it was as well? | Mar 13 23:21 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, not believing in the existence of someone or something doesn't mean they don't exit. | Mar 13 23:21 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, nope | Mar 13 23:22 |
| Omar87 | I'm from Jordan. :) | Mar 13 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: yeah | Mar 13 23:22 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, you can call me "the believer". | Mar 13 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: you haven't been active here that much recently I think? | Mar 13 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I remember I had a good chat or two or three or something, with a muslim person here before, that's you. | Mar 13 23:23 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, umm.. I think I've been participating here for a year or so. | Mar 13 23:24 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, there was also the Moroccan guy Hicham. | Mar 13 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: ah ha | Mar 13 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: ok it's Hichan I was thinking of | Mar 13 23:24 |
| Omar87 | Though for some reason, he never showed up for a long time now. | Mar 13 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | yeah which is ashame | Mar 13 23:25 |
| Omar87 | I hope he's doing well. | Mar 13 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | same here | Mar 13 23:25 |
| Omar87 | Hicham* | Mar 13 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: anyway people that think | Mar 13 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | billionaires and companies are so great | Mar 13 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | Mar 13 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | and the whole money system we have for that matter | Mar 13 23:26 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, it seems he never listened to George Carlin talking about those people. :P | Mar 13 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | companies are not our friends | Mar 13 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | their may be an exception to that, for example open source companies | Mar 13 23:26 |
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| Omar87 | sebsebseb, yeah. | Mar 13 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: George Carlin? | Mar 13 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know who that is | Mar 13 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Not even open source companies are 100 percent our friends. | Mar 13 23:28 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, the stand-up comedian who hates the US government? | Mar 13 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed | Mar 13 23:28 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, exactly. | Mar 13 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Open source companies are more likely to play fair | Mar 13 23:28 |
| oiaohm | And not to try to black mail you for money. | Mar 13 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah | Mar 13 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Instead try to offer a service of some form. | Mar 13 23:29 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, for example, I don't think Google are doing what they're doing based on a "good deed". | Mar 13 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Problem is if they made configuration simple they would not sell the service. | Mar 13 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: That's what Ubuntu are starting to do, Ubuntu One in 9.10, but music store in 10.04 as well. | Mar 13 23:29 |
| oiaohm | In some cases. | Mar 13 23:29 |
| oiaohm | I just prefer todo business with open source companines | Mar 13 23:30 |
| oiaohm | You are not looking around to see where the black mailer is as much. | Mar 13 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: yeah Google do stuff for a profit as well | Mar 13 23:30 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: Carlin is worth knowing :) | Mar 13 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: Google are really about making a profit | Mar 13 23:30 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, but I would understand that. 'coz even open source companies need to make some money, ya know. | Mar 13 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | Google just happen to have some interesting services | Mar 13 23:31 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, true. | Mar 13 23:31 |
| oiaohm | The few companies you can trust. Are companies supporting open source because they need the software to work for them. | Mar 13 23:31 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, and if they ever get the realization that their current business model ain't taking them any further, they would definitely change it. | Mar 13 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie they have no interest in you so no harm can come your direction from them. | Mar 13 23:32 |
| Omar87 | Omar87, I mean Google. | Mar 13 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah I guess we can't really trust goverments fully either, because they have an interset in us average people as well, not just the serious criminals | Mar 13 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: they might come up with a law, that loads of us don't agree with | Mar 13 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Mar 13 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Google business model is working perfectly. Omar87 | Mar 13 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Google money comes mostly from advertising | Mar 13 23:33 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I know. But I'm just saying "If things change" | Mar 13 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Google is supporting andriod to get more people so more advertising dollars. | Mar 13 23:34 |
| oiaohm | So yes google has interest in US. | Mar 13 23:34 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well I don't really follow polotics, and what I just typed didn't seem to come out right, but some laws will effect us as people, and ones that aren't always properly fair. | Mar 13 23:34 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I don't think they have any interest in Open Source for any reason other than being the counterpart of M$'s monopolistic proprietary one. | Mar 13 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and some things goverments might agree on are stupid, for example the USA with it's software patents | Mar 13 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Google does have an interesting in open source purely from a business point of view. | Mar 13 23:35 |
| oiaohm | If google had to pay for MS or other OS's they could not afford todo business. | Mar 13 23:36 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, exactly. So, it's all about business. | Mar 13 23:36 |
| oiaohm | A collection of developers in wine come from Google. Omar87 | Mar 13 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Same with a lot of other projects. | Mar 13 23:36 |
| oiaohm | 20 percent of main developers time at google get to go into experments. | Mar 13 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: yep money this that and the other, money can make good things happen, but lack of money will also stop good things from happening, and money of course can do rather bad things as well | Mar 13 23:37 |
| Omar87 | And if they ever get to a point where open source ain't doing any good anymore, they will dump it for sure. | Mar 13 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Unlikely Omar87 | Mar 13 23:37 |
| oiaohm | What is the main advantage of open source. | Mar 13 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: for companies | Mar 13 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: money being saved? | Mar 13 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | loads of money being saved? | Mar 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Main advanage is more developers working on the code. | Mar 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | This applies to everyone. | Mar 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | So bugs can be fixed faster. | Mar 13 23:38 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I am saying "IF". I'm not talking about Open Source itself. I'm currently discussing Google's view towards it. | Mar 13 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: Google like Apple, use open source to make money, Google are just a lot more friendly to open source, than Apple is | Mar 13 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Like at moment google is trying to get there servers internal code alined with mainline kernel Omar87 | Mar 13 23:39 |
| Omar87 | sebsebseb, that's right. | Mar 13 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Because maintaining a branch alone eats up huge ammounts of man power Omar87 | Mar 13 23:39 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, agreed. | Mar 13 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact open source is cost effective | Mar 13 23:40 |
| oiaohm | and the maths of that never will change. | Mar 13 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | Omar87: Microsoft may have bought loads of software out from other companies, right, but as far as I know all of that was closed source software anyway? Where as Apple took loads of open source, and then did their own stuff with it. So in this way, Apple are actsualley worse than Microsoft really? | Mar 13 23:40 |
| oiaohm | No some of the greatest things MS has aquired started live open source sebsebseb | Mar 13 23:41 |
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| oiaohm | And became closed after MS aquired. | Mar 13 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh :( | Mar 13 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Like that make 3d from image MS got. sebsebseb | Mar 13 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What you think of the automatic Gnome shut down being removed from 10.04? Hi by the way | Mar 13 23:42 |
| oiaohm | That was open source and for Linux before MS aquired. | Mar 13 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: make 3D from image? | Mar 13 23:42 |
| oiaohm | After MS aquired it is now closed source and only for windows. | Mar 13 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I hadn't noticed | Mar 13 23:42 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, as usual. :-) | Mar 13 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ok not been there that long, but I got a link I can give you about that | Mar 13 23:42 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: if you want it? | Mar 13 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | automatic Gnome shut down I meant the count down | Mar 13 23:43 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I really love how these goons of M$'s are playing the same ancient "Never mention the "L" word!" game again these days. :) | Mar 13 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | shut down after a minute if not touched feature | Mar 13 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft Photosynth sebsebseb if you trace it back you will find it started life as a Linux project. | Mar 13 23:43 |
| Omar87 | It proves that Linux is gaining despite all their worthless efforts. | Mar 13 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Then MS hyper-v that is a veration on Xen. | Mar 13 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Even lot of active directory design dates to what samba was doing with ldap in the 1998. | Mar 13 23:44 |
| MinceR | m$ bought photosynth to make it winblows-only | Mar 13 23:45 |
| oiaohm | There is a long list of MS pickup up what the open source is doing and doing small alterations to become incompadible. | Mar 13 23:45 |
| MinceR | and they're wanking to the technology we're supposed to believe _they_ created | Mar 13 23:45 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, yet there some naive people who actually buy the BS told to them by the MS clowns. | Mar 13 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep MS is a major thief of ideas. | Mar 13 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Omar87: remember that MS also takes out patents on stuff they did not invent. | Mar 13 23:47 |
| MinceR | crApple likes to do that too | Mar 13 23:47 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, exactly, which makes things even more stomach-turning. | Mar 13 23:47 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, but what turns my stomach most is watching those naive mortals he in Jordan being spoon-fed on lie after the other, and they're simply enjoying it! | Mar 13 23:49 |
| Omar87 | here* | Mar 13 23:49 |
| oiaohm | A few times IBM has got into trouble for taking out patents on open source projects. But every time it turned out that IBM had done it with the approval of the project and had listed the patent as being taken out by IBM but owning to the project. | Mar 13 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Some companies do the right thing. Lots don't. | Mar 13 23:50 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, this adds to the fact that the patenting system altogether is a charade. | Mar 13 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Patent system has not worked for centories. | Mar 13 23:51 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, has *never* worked, to be more accurate. :) | Mar 13 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Ok it has worked better. | Mar 13 23:53 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, for example, I see no reason whatsoever why we should be thankful to Thomas Edison for inventing the lightbulb. | Mar 13 23:53 |
| oiaohm | These days people can patent items that don't exist. | Mar 13 23:53 |
| oiaohm | To be correct Thomas Edison never invented the lightbulb he made it workable. | Mar 13 23:53 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, but then he patented it, right? | Mar 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | There was a way older lightblub that just did not put out a lot of light. | Mar 13 23:54 |
| oiaohm | He patented the process of making a glass container with a inerert gas. | Mar 13 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | <DaemonFC> Georgie, It's cheaper to hire Tom Cruise to write down every packet and carry it to the router himself than it is to buy the XBOX 360 antenna, and probably faster. | Mar 13 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 13 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's my jab for the day | Mar 13 23:55 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, but that's not an invention now, is it? | Mar 13 23:55 |
| oiaohm | It was back then. Omar87 some others has used a burning matterial to use up the O2 but in the process you could explode the blub. | Mar 13 23:56 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I mean, it's just like taking someone else's mac. and cheese recipe, adding some more salt to it, and then claiming that the recipe is mine. | Mar 13 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Back then there has to be a real item that could be demoed for patent. Omar87 | Mar 13 23:57 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I see. | Mar 13 23:57 |
| oiaohm | These days dream something up put it on patent never make it and you can take out a patent. | Mar 13 23:57 |
| oiaohm | There have been some laws caught doing exactly that Omar87 | Mar 13 23:58 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I know. | Mar 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Basically the system is broken. | Mar 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Idea of the patent system is to assist the recovery of r&d costs. | Mar 13 23:58 |
| oiaohm | But that r&d has been done should be confirms as well as by who. | Mar 13 23:59 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, one famous story is how Bill Gates recently was so drunk he dreamt of a way to fight tornadoes by heating the water and shores. | Mar 13 23:59 |
| Omar87 | And he simply got a nice little patent for that. :P | Mar 13 23:59 |
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