| Omar87 | the water *at the* shores. | Mar 14 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | Basically if the patent system works right is not that harmful. | Mar 14 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Its annoying but not that harmful. | Mar 14 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Current patent system is very harmful. | Mar 14 00:00 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, the problem is that anything at all can simply get a patent. No matter what it is. | Mar 14 00:01 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I heard a long time ago, that IBM have a collection of patents for some extremely silly stuff. | Mar 14 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | "- In certain scenarios, an Emergency Alert System (EAS) message does not automatically tune to the appropriate channel in Windows Media Center." In the event of severe weather, your set top box will turn to the Pay Per View pr0n channel. Here's something to die to. Thanks for buying Microsoft products. : | Mar 14 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | IBM has a competion for the most stupid patent got in a year. Omar87 | Mar 14 00:02 |
| Omar87 | The problems start when these extremely silly stuff actually involve someone else's business. | Mar 14 00:02 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, :P | Mar 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | But it must be a real device they have created. Omar87 | Mar 14 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Or a real thing they can do. | Mar 14 00:03 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, regardless, it's gotta be extremely silly in order to win the "most stupid patent" championship. :P | Mar 14 00:04 |
| oiaohm | IBM really does it to laugh at the patent regularors. | Mar 14 00:05 |
| Omar87 | Anyways.. | Mar 14 00:05 |
| oiaohm | And to the annoyance of the regulators most of them are valid. | Mar 14 00:05 |
| Omar87 | Buenos noches everyone! | Mar 14 00:05 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I see. | Mar 14 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Like IBM patented being a patent troll | Mar 14 00:05 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, nice talking to ya. :) | Mar 14 00:05 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, LOL! | Mar 14 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes the patent is valid | Mar 14 00:06 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, I see. | Mar 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, in the Windows 7 CEIP will be affected by this part of the update. This update limits the diagnostic information that can be collected by the CEIP." They get caught spying, say it was an accident, and "fix it" | Mar 14 00:06 |
| Omar87 | Good night everybody! | Mar 14 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | shouldn't they be sued for breach of contract? | Mar 14 00:06 |
| Omar87 | bye! | Mar 14 00:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: in other words, business as usual | Mar 14 00:07 |
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| MinceR | :> | Mar 14 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/bordeaux/microsoft-office-2007-on-opensolaris.html Good first comment :) :D | Mar 14 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | no bot URL thing hrm | Mar 14 00:08 |
| oiaohm | wine reviews has a long track record of giving bad instructions. | Mar 14 00:09 |
| oiaohm | Just be aware of that sebsebseb | Mar 14 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well I got on to it from Linux Today | Mar 14 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | also once I did Windows Media Player 10/11 or 10 and then upgraded to 11. in Wine | Mar 14 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | I think I followed instructions from that site | Mar 14 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | later on that Wine install or whatever you want to call it didn't work properly, and I was basically told that I shoudn't of used the instructions I had followed | Mar 14 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | as for the why I did WMP in Wine in the first place thing, just, because I could | Mar 14 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | to try you know | Mar 14 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | not that I actsualley wanted to use WMP in Ubuntu properly. | Mar 14 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | got on to that article from Linux Today the Solaris Office 2007 one | Mar 14 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: loads of people want to use a Linux distro like Windows | Mar 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Just had to tell you. Least number of people I have to save from hell the better in #winehq | Mar 14 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | just without the viruses and such | Mar 14 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh you help out in there? | Mar 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Really using wine is partly inviting viruses | Mar 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do help out there. sebsebseb | Mar 14 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah they can partly run in Wine or fully run depending on the virus | Mar 14 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | how come you help out in there? | Mar 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | I designed the support people recruiting system. sebsebseb | Mar 14 00:13 |
| oiaohm | For winehq | Mar 14 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Mar 14 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | meaning what exactly? | Mar 14 00:14 |
| oiaohm | How to get people doing support right. | Mar 14 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Mar 14 00:14 |
| oiaohm | How to prevent people form burning out doing it. | Mar 14 00:14 |
| oiaohm | And so on. | Mar 14 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | what you mean burning out? | Mar 14 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | giving up? | Mar 14 00:14 |
| oiaohm | No burnout is worse. | Mar 14 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | giving bad advice? | Mar 14 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Wost case of burn out was vitatim. Where he had op and started just banning people asking bad questions. | Mar 14 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Normally turning majorally insulting. | Mar 14 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Result is people fearing to ask questions and the support system fails. | Mar 14 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically good support structs don't happen without work. sebsebseb | Mar 14 00:16 |
| oiaohm | These days after rest form doing it vit is a niceish person. | Mar 14 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | Hmm... I hadn't realised my cousin was on Twitter... http://twitter.com/DavieChiro | Mar 14 00:24 |
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| MinceR | it is extremely unlikely that chrome os will be my extra operating system. :> | Mar 14 00:28 |
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| MinceR | unless it's built into hardware i buy, of course | Mar 14 00:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games for #GNU #Linux : Tiny and Big http://ur1.ca/plu5 http://ur1.ca/plu6 | Mar 14 00:32 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Mar 14 00:34 |
| schestowitz | [00:28] <MinceR> it is extremely unlikely that chrome os will be my extra operating system. :> | Mar 14 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It's not for desktops | Mar 14 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Pay attention to partners | Mar 14 00:34 |
| schestowitz | It's about tablets and mobile device | Mar 14 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Google's Brin said they would try to merge it with Android, which runs land lines, kitchen utensils, etc. | Mar 14 00:34 |
| MinceR | and it's probably either intended to be preinstalled or put onto ROM, which doesn't bother me :) | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Light Linux base | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Googlised | Mar 14 00:35 |
| MinceR | i wonder what will come of the merger with android | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: read-only partition | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | For root | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | So you can save files locally | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | And install stuff only via store | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Unlss you take the Chromium OS route | Mar 14 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Which would suck or be blocked from accessing services | Mar 14 00:35 |
| MinceR | but i don't plan on using it, and it probably isn't aimed at me :) | Mar 14 00:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Epidemic #GNU #Linux 3.1 with K Desktop Environment ( #KDE SC) http://ur1.ca/plur #debian | Mar 14 00:36 | |
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| MinceR | bs-dos? :> | Mar 14 00:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Inspires Many Derivatives http://hostwisely.com/blog/four-most-unique-ubuntu-derivatives/ | Mar 14 00:38 | |
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| schestowitz | no | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | just the bull | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | a gnu | Mar 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | :D | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | gnudos | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | It predated gnu though | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Golden age of DOS parallels days of GCC | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Linus competed with a GI era | Mar 14 00:40 |
| schestowitz | 1991-2 | Mar 14 00:40 |
| MinceR | i remember djgpp | Mar 14 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | Car alarm going off....grrrr | Mar 14 00:41 |
| schestowitz | What's freedos' licence? | Mar 14 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | It should be legal to vandalize a car from the moment the alarm goes off | Mar 14 00:41 |
| MinceR | i think it's GPL | Mar 14 00:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: worse when you have to vacate | Mar 14 00:41 |
| schestowitz | In case of emergencies I change to shorts and go to the gym | Mar 14 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | in case of emergency you change your shorts? | Mar 14 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | I've never been that scared. :P | Mar 14 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | No | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | /to/ | Mar 14 00:43 |
| schestowitz | If I need to leave the apartment I might as well go somewhere useful | Mar 14 00:44 |
| cubezzz2 | schestowitz, I noticed something interesting lately | Mar 14 00:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Today I learnt where to take for dinner friends who enjoy a divine meal. Oh, why do words lack a good description? while(1){divine+=divine;} | Mar 14 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | It's rare though | Mar 14 00:45 |
| cubezzz2 | it seems to me that people are astro-turfing for microsoft on youtube | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Like when some idiot in another apartment calls the firefighters | Mar 14 00:45 |
| cubezzz2 | making all sorts of positive remarks about windows vista and win7 | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | They are paid for it | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Not all of them | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | But I caught press releases that advertiuse this | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | "social networks" | Mar 14 00:45 |
| schestowitz | To advertise the "Windows" brand | Mar 14 00:46 |
| schestowitz | The FTC is useless here | Mar 14 00:46 |
| cubezzz2 | it sounded like astro-turf to me anyway ;0 | Mar 14 00:46 |
| cubezzz2 | ah | Mar 14 00:46 |
| schestowitz | The FTC doesn't serve the people | Mar 14 00:47 |
| schestowitz | There will never be justice, but one can push closer towards it | Mar 14 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Take OBAMAA for example... he promotes ACTAA at the moment | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | With Biden | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | His funding sources | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Banks too | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | He gives them what h wants | Mar 14 00:48 |
| cubezzz2 | the astro-turfers seem to be trying to counter those Mac Vs PC ads | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is among jis funders | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | He only mentions them when he says "Xbox" a lot | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Free advertising | Mar 14 00:48 |
| schestowitz | We need to crack down on the shill-hiring firms | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Like Edelman | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC knows their routine | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | They should be jailed IMHO | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Community service at least | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | W-E too | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | They contribute nothing to society | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Their job is to deceive people | Mar 14 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what's W-E mean? | Mar 14 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Waggener Edstrom | Mar 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Pam Edstrom | Mar 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | She was one of Microsoft's first PR puppets | Mar 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft made an offshoot of here | Mar 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | To 'externalise' the PR depratment | Mar 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | This way they can break the law without getting Microsoft involved | Mar 14 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | "deprat" ment, nice typeo in a way :D | Mar 14 00:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm reading a book from Pam's daughter | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | But I haven't finished it yet | Mar 14 00:51 |
| cubezzz2 | it's kind of like brain washing the masses | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | They repeat it all over again now | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | With "Gates Foundation" | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | They build images | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Spend money on "reputation" | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | "perception management" | Mar 14 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Just like Rockefeller did | Mar 14 00:52 |
| cubezzz2 | hmmm | Mar 14 00:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Helps Around the House by Running Almost Everything http://www.handlewithlinux.com/linux-washing-cooking | Mar 14 00:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zimbra Email Adopts Appliances as a Business Model for #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/plwq | Mar 14 00:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Would Improve #Toyota http://industry.bnet.com/auto/10004051/a-modest-proposal-for-toyota/ | Mar 14 00:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, What makes "drive by wire" any better than a cable linking the gas pedal to the throttle? | Mar 14 01:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Can Improve #FreeSoftware Where Sun Relented http://ur1.ca/plx1 Let's hope... | Mar 14 01:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | sounds to me like they're needlessly complicating things and instead relying on programs which may have bugs | Mar 14 01:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pirate Party (UK) Names the Real "Pirates" Who Steal Our Rights ( #ACTA ) http://ur1.ca/ply9 | Mar 14 01:11 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/Pfe2OcFvIKQ/SCO-Asked-OGara-To-Smear-Groklaw | Mar 14 01:26 |
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| schestowitz | maybe she'll sue | Mar 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | She gathered evidence | Mar 14 01:33 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, gn | Mar 14 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thebestdealscheap.com/emtec-gdium-netbook-linux-p-2385.html | Mar 14 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 14 01:40 |
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| cubezzz2 | http://blogs.computerworld.com/15719/the_linux_desktop_is_already_here | Mar 14 03:11 |
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| cubezzz2 | funny comments :) | Mar 14 03:11 |
| cubezzz2 | ok, going to try to do a scan over ssh now | Mar 14 03:21 |
| cubezzz2 | it's working :) | Mar 14 03:23 |
| cubezzz2 | actually this is quite practical | Mar 14 03:24 |
| cubezzz2 | it's a bit slower though | Mar 14 03:25 |
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| jbh | @davidsiegel If I could only follow one person on all of twitter, without hesitation it would be @migueldeicaza | Mar 14 04:03 |
| jbh | hope this isn't a trend with canonical employees | Mar 14 04:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Can Katy Perry stop EMI going to America for a song? - More alarmist "blame the pirates" bullshit http://tinyurl.com/yhhagpt | Mar 14 04:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | lmao | Mar 14 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | appeal to fear | Mar 14 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | appeal to nationalism | Mar 14 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | spread FUD about people who download music | Mar 14 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Sounds to me like they want your government to give them a bailout AND enact new "anti-piracy" laws | Mar 14 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXTe5GOYGz8 | Mar 14 04:32 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] LOL hahaha RT: @g33f Only 1411 tiger left. Means male tigers r either using Condoms or Female tigers r using unwanted 72 :) | Mar 14 04:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 10 tips for unleashing innovation: http://tinyurl.com/yllbaul | Mar 14 04:52 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Think local, go 'open' : http://beta.thehindu.com/business/Economy/article244213.ece #hindu #freesoftware #economy /via @schestowitz | Mar 14 04:57 | |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: You here? | Mar 14 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | just got home with dinner | Mar 14 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | my neighbor is trying to serve me some Cream of Bullshit though | Mar 14 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | son of a bitch | Mar 14 05:06 |
| *DaemonFC just noticed that Empathy is using en-GB | Mar 14 05:06 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I just read this http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/03/firefox-362-coming-march-30th.html If March 30th is the last Firefox 3.0 series release with Firefox 3.0.19, what about Jaunty which still has 3.0 by default? | Mar 14 05:07 |
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| sebsebseb | whatever version Jaunty comes with by default in the Firefox 3.0 series | Mar 14 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, it gets security updates separate of Firefox itself | Mar 14 05:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Ubuntu will have to support that version of Firefox untill October on their own, when Ubuntu 9.04 goes end of life? | Mar 14 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 14 05:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Yeah it's Firefox with some changes here and there? I used to say in the big channel that it's unoffical and at least one Ubuntu op didn't like that :D | Mar 14 05:08 |
| WireWulf | weee | Mar 14 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's got all the Debian patches | Mar 14 05:09 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Saying their Firefox isn't offical yeah they won't like that. I meant offical as in not directly from Mozilla. | Mar 14 05:09 |
| WireWulf | iceweasl <.< >.> | Mar 14 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | the only difference in Firefox on Ubuntu an Iceweasel in Debian is the branding package | Mar 14 05:10 |
| WireWulf | mmhmm | Mar 14 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu doesn't even have to maintain Firefox in Jaunty themselves | Mar 14 05:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: 8.10 will go end of life when 10.04 comes out or around then :( such a good release, except for how ethernet woudn't work on other computer. then 9.04 going end of life hrm. 9.04 not that bad either, altough I didn't like the thing on top right, edited fusa, that removed shut down and log out from system menu when there. Also I have put this kind of thing loads of times on IRC before. | Mar 14 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | Debian Lenny uses Firefox 3.0 too | Mar 14 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 05:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Right so Debian has to figure out what security fixe's need done. | Mar 14 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | 8.04 won't go EOL on the desktop until April of 2011 | Mar 14 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | 8.04 Server lives until 2013 | Mar 14 05:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I put 8.10 not 8.04, and oh right yeah that's a point, 8.04 uses Firefox 3.0 as well? | Mar 14 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | but if you install any of the packages that are not server related, those parts of the system are EOL | Mar 14 05:12 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: indeed | Mar 14 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | so even though the desktop dies in 2011, you might still be offered updates for anything in the base system | Mar 14 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | which is funny | Mar 14 05:13 |
| WireWulf | lol | Mar 14 05:13 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah it's a bit daft really | Mar 14 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I think an LTS should go end of life on the desktop when | Mar 14 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | well | Mar 14 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | 12.04 comes out | Mar 14 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | 8.04 should go end of life when 12.04 comes out | Mar 14 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | then people can skip an LTS :D | Mar 14 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | just upgrade through it | Mar 14 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | so if you're running a server without any desktop related things like an X server or a desktop environment, you get 5 years | Mar 14 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's stupid | Mar 14 05:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: 10.04 seems like one that if I was running a business, well I so woudn't want to upgrade to, from what I have seen from development | Mar 14 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server gets 10 years, the whole system | Mar 14 05:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: on the desktop that is | Mar 14 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL gets 7 years | Mar 14 05:15 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: 10.04 I won't be able to just recommend to loads of home users, without mentioning other distros as well, becasue of what I have seen from development | Mar 14 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't use Ubuntu Server | Mar 14 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | means you have to upgrade more than twice as often | Mar 14 05:16 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so yeah if they want to do silly things on the computer such as Facebook, well I will probably recommend Ubuntu to them, but if they don't I will probably recommend Mandriva instead :) | Mar 14 05:16 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as for business desktops, 10.04 is so not it | Mar 14 05:17 |
| sebsebseb | as for a server, well yeah, Debian, or Redhat, or CentOS | Mar 14 05:17 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes other distros even that aren't Ubuntu | Mar 14 05:17 |
| sebsebseb | or Ubuntu based | Mar 14 05:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: 10.04 offers new home user features, and the standard new stuff, such as kernel and xorg, but in the desktop version I don't see anything proper that is for business's. So those business's that are running Ubuntu 8.04 may as well just stay with that for even longer. Or start looking into using another distro instead. | Mar 14 05:19 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Anyway it's just gone past mid night for you hasn't it? So a bit late to eat? Also what was that about your naighbour? Plus heh heh ha ha, if your evolution is in EN GB :D | Mar 14 05:20 |
| WireWulf | god my head hurts | Mar 14 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | I hate that woman | Mar 14 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | crazy as hell | Mar 14 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | *knock knock knock* KYLE!!!! | Mar 14 05:21 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Probably Darwin related | Mar 14 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | (My name is not Kyle) | Mar 14 05:21 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: on the subject of Evolution I was giong to check, but haven't yet, but I read before that they would have the Gnome 2.28 version in 10.04. I was reading some good stuf about Evolution last night, even though I have never used it properly. | Mar 14 05:21 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: What? | Mar 14 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | Empathy is using en_GB and the rest of the system is en_US | Mar 14 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | pissing me off | Mar 14 05:22 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Charles Darwin, brilliant English scientist, the grandfather of Evolution... | Mar 14 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | it tried to correct me when I was talking about my "neighbor" to someone | Mar 14 05:22 |
| ianto | 20mins left fpr Sabayon ISO :) | Mar 14 05:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ianto Comments here http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-11-025-35-OS-BZ-UB as well as for the article itself, plus a link in a comment to someone's reply, someone who used to program Evolution. | Mar 14 05:25 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Oh Empathy not Evolution, well anyway in a way, ha ha heh heh, since it's in EN GB, when the rest of your system is in EN US | Mar 14 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to call the police I think | Mar 14 05:33 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Why? | Mar 14 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | have them find a nice padded room to shove my neighbor in for the night | Mar 14 05:34 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Why? | Mar 14 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | cause she's beating on my door at 12:25 AM | Mar 14 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | and it's stupid bullshit | Mar 14 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | I know it is because it always is | Mar 14 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Unless you're the police, it's an emergency, or I asked you over, don't knock on my door | Mar 14 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's how I see it | Mar 14 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | my door does not open unless I like what's on the other side or have no choice but to deal with it | Mar 14 05:39 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ok | Mar 14 05:54 |
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| ianto | Currently seeding all 82 i386 & amd64 CD images for Debian as well as Sabayon Linux 5.1 on my VPS. Uploading 500kb/s... :P | Mar 14 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8566571.stm | Mar 14 06:04 |
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| DaemonFC | "Bogus TV report of Russian invasion panics Georgia" | Mar 14 06:04 |
| WireWulf | comrads we the red army are only pissing on your lands | Mar 14 06:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Spring in Canada – Climate Change has it’s Advantages – or Maybe Not http://bit.ly/dt56lM | Mar 14 07:20 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck trolled by #Jesus http://ur1.ca/pgnx | Mar 14 07:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Bleck!! | Mar 14 07:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/12/palin_email_breach_testimony/ | Mar 14 07:54 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I wonder if the bot works | Mar 14 07:57 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lets try something with a url http://miotd.com | Mar 14 07:57 | |
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| schestowitz | El Reg got duped. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/12/james_brown_body_snatch/ "Update: Other members of James Brown's family have now denied the his body has gone missing. This story has been updated to reflect this." | Mar 14 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/bpi-drafted-web-blocking http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1596254/online-freedom-killed-bpi | Mar 14 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/191435/carbon_nanotube_awesomeness.html?tk=rss_news | Mar 14 08:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[d235j] break is over, time to get back to reality... | Mar 14 08:18 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190887/taiwan_earthquake_damages_undersea_internet_cables.html?tk=rss_news | Mar 14 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | Forget victims, the Internets !!11 | Mar 14 08:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190781/india_adds_it_jobs_despite_recession.html?tk=rss_news | Mar 14 08:53 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #IPL @g33f is inside the stadium :D; No water bottles no cellphones :P | Mar 14 08:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does this run Linux? Any way of knowing? http://www.pcworld.com/article/190712/eread.html?tk=rss_news# | Mar 14 08:57 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/190658/asus_e_reader.html | Mar 14 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | doesn't say | Mar 14 09:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190646/DR900.html?tk=rss_news | Mar 14 09:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Asustek Unveils Its First E-reader, the DR-900 - PCWorld .::. Size~: 62.48 KB | Mar 14 09:02 |
| schestowitz | How can one tell if there's Linux in there? | Mar 14 09:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190598/amd_to_ship_first_sixcore_desktop_processor_in_q2.html?tk=rss_news | Mar 14 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | Who would need so many cored? CG artists? | Mar 14 09:05 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/03/12/viking.olympics/index.html?eref=rss_tech&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_tech+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29 | Mar 14 09:20 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Power of GNU/Linux: Instead of /dev/sdb some one did 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda' . Partition table gone! :P | Mar 14 09:22 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/339020/hp_workers_begin_two-day_strike?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Mar 14 09:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: HP workers begin two-day strike - HP, strike, union - Techworld .::. Size~: 45.8 KB | Mar 14 09:48 |
| schestowitz | heh. http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/04/rush-limbaugh-in-git.html | Mar 14 10:02 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Australian researchers say fat is 'sixth taste' http://ur1.ca/pnr4 Redefining "taste", don't they? | Mar 14 10:07 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/11/lesbian-panic-shuts.html | Mar 14 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/03/05/13132421-qmi.html | Mar 14 10:09 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Does anyone know if that #Asus e-reader runs !Linux ? http://ur1.ca/pns4 | Mar 14 10:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SFywA_LQuU | Mar 14 10:25 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Its amazing how #GlennBeck even still has a shdow http://ur1.ca/lmaf #douchebag | Mar 14 10:27 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Tesla keeping #Roadster until 2012 http://ur1.ca/pntp !MIOTD | Mar 14 10:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Credit cards are somehow related to socalism and religion, who knew http://ur1.ca/pntt #GlennBeck | Mar 14 10:37 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @santhoshtr @ManishSinha : today is π day: 3.14..... | Mar 14 10:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 7 habbits of effective women: http://beta.thehindu.com/life-and-style/money-and-careers/article244529.ece /via @rsukumar | Mar 14 10:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/03/10/software-patents-read-jonathan-schwartzs-blog/ "Software patents have to go to keep the bullies in check." | Mar 14 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/877-after-digg-time-now-is-reddit-who-says-yes-to-cassandra-db-bye-to-mysql | Mar 14 11:04 |
| schestowitz | oh gawd... http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/invasion-of-purple-icons.html | Mar 14 11:11 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] A classic TF2 machinima http://ur1.ca/pnx9 #awesome | Mar 14 11:17 | |
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| schestowitz | Ew....... fighting legalised corruption with more of it?http://webmink.com/2010/03/12/osfa-ustr/ "Software freedom has a posse – in Washington DC, at least." | Mar 14 11:23 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] “We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business” steve jobs. Hmm he hates competition #bad . http://nyti.ms/atr5E9 | Mar 14 11:37 | |
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| oiaohm | Really the worse thing apples actions could force is nokia and google working hand in hand. | Mar 14 11:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/03/htc_touch_pro2_runs_ubuntu_linux.html | Mar 14 11:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Ubuntu Now is dedicated to preventing rape and domestic violence " http://www.i-newswire.com/carbona-introduces-staintalk-cleaning/25672 | Mar 14 11:55 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | uh | Mar 14 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im offended by that | Mar 14 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure why | Mar 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Been baated by your wife? | Mar 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | *Beaten | Mar 14 11:56 |
| schestowitz | or battered? | Mar 14 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Is it me or the media with news is becoming lacking. schestowitz | Mar 14 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: Im not sure I want any linux effort being associated with that | Mar 14 12:02 |
| oiaohm | There are two things named ubuntu | Mar 14 12:03 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ubuntunow.org/ | Mar 14 12:04 |
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| oiaohm | I wonder if it an attempt to do in ubuntu brand name; | Mar 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2010/03/asus-to-stop-shipping-recovery-discs-with-netbooks.html "Of course, if you accidentally delete the recover image on your hard drive while trying to install Ubuntu, OS X, or another operating system, this could mean there’s no going back — without obtaining a full Windows installation disc." | Mar 14 12:09 |
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| schestowitz | Why are they being chap? | Mar 14 12:09 |
| schestowitz | *Cheap | Mar 14 12:09 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: since 2008 | Mar 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there are more than 2 "ubuntus" | Mar 14 12:10 |
| schestowitz | There's Celtics, restaurants, foundations of all sorts, the OS, and more | Mar 14 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | "The Gnu girl from Sun Valley, Idaho" http://espn.go.com/action/snowboarding/blog/_/post/4985991 | Mar 14 12:18 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 14 12:27 |
| schestowitz | What useless junk: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/03/12/play-yourself-at-rock-paper-scissors-with-an-open-source-train/ | Mar 14 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY | Mar 14 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: Mother Nature | Mar 14 13:42 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntEE9Zy-qQQ | Mar 14 13:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pictures from Reptile last night up already! http://reddragdiva.co.uk/thumbnails.php?album=83 | Mar 14 13:59 | |
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| mearejericho | FUCK IT I HATE MONO!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! goood. i had to release this preasure | Mar 14 14:02 |
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| Diablo-D3 | .... riiiight. | Mar 14 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Have you ever seen a sack filled with so much BS? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihYq2dGa29M | Mar 14 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMwZ76QB7uk | Mar 14 14:07 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: oh, its just #GlennBeck | Mar 14 14:09 |
| *Diablo-D3 stabs him in the back anyhow | Mar 14 14:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Avast Anti-Virus has an opinion on LiveJournal's link rewriting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7294095@N06/4430397250/ | Mar 14 14:10 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck shows murder and blames it on the godless http://ur1.ca/poib #douchebag | Mar 14 14:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @floschi: "Quality over time in Munich", or "Why does Munich's switch take some time?" New blog post: http://tinyurl.com/yeth6jt #LiMux | Mar 14 14:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@deathboyuk the pictures one? http://is.gd/aBm8u <-- Reptile pics in encapsulated URL! | Mar 14 14:52 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 137 years ago, Albert Einstein was born. http://ur1.ca/povd !science | Mar 14 15:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #elmdentica users will be able to (un)subscribe users mentioned in status. | Mar 14 15:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Attigo Founder Uses #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/poyz | Mar 14 15:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heroes of Newerth ( #Linux Game) Wins Award http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14882 | Mar 14 15:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of Hugin #Panorama Application for #GNU #Linux http://www.junauza.com/2010/03/hugin-panorama-creator-software-for.html | Mar 14 15:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video of #KDE 4.4, #Amarok Insider Released, #GNOME Commit-Digest http://ur1.ca/pozw http://ur1.ca/pozx http://ur1.ca/pozz | Mar 14 15:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz isn't it mono? | Mar 14 16:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @csarven: RT @lessig My speech at the Italian Parliament: http://bit.ly/bF8FvX | Mar 14 16:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Introduction to #Wolvix #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/pp1f #xfce | Mar 14 16:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Interview with the Man Behind #Billix http://ur1.ca/pp1g #gnu #linux | Mar 14 16:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04: Improvements Discussed http://ur1.ca/pp1q http://ur1.ca/pp1r http://ur1.ca/pp1s | Mar 14 16:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A #Review of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Variant #MoonOS http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/moonos.html | Mar 14 16:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Has Profound Impact on Devices http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/292341:linux-rocks-qembedded-worldq-2010 | Mar 14 16:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Network-attached Storage Still Reigned by #Linux : Latest Examples http://ur1.ca/pp2m http://ur1.ca/obrh | Mar 14 16:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia N900 and Other Examples of #Desktop #GNU #Linux on Phones http://ur1.ca/pp2o http://ur1.ca/pp2p http://ur1.ca/pp2r | Mar 14 16:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Case of #GNU #Linux on Sub-notebooks (DreamBook) http://ur1.ca/pp33 | Mar 14 16:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Chooses #Linux for Its #Tablets http://ur1.ca/pp48 http://ur1.ca/pp49 | Mar 14 16:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GIMP 2.6.6 Does Many Things That Latest #Photoshop Simply Cannot http://ur1.ca/pp4b I love GIMP! | Mar 14 16:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FCC Releases #FreeSoftware , Web Depends on Freedom http://ur1.ca/pp4i http://ur1.ca/pp4j http://ur1.ca/pp4k | Mar 14 16:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Conference Coming, SXSW to have Free Software, OSI Reformed http://ur1.ca/pp4p http://ur1.ca/pp4q http://ur1.ca/pp4s | Mar 14 16:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Promoted in The Hindu http://ur1.ca/pp50 http://ur1.ca/pp51 | Mar 14 16:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Profile of Mitch Kapor from #Mozilla , #Firefox 3.6 Upgrade Urged http://ur1.ca/pp56 http://ur1.ca/pp57 http://ur1.ca/pp58 | Mar 14 16:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Coffee Party Uses #Drupal ; Other Free #CMS Software http://ur1.ca/pp5i http://ur1.ca/pp5k http://ur1.ca/pp5l | Mar 14 16:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments in #Romania and #India Talk About #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/pp5n http://ur1.ca/pp5o http://ur1.ca/pp5p | Mar 14 16:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness in #Hardware a Sign of #FreeSoftware Impact http://ur1.ca/pp5n | Mar 14 16:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Bill Under Fire in the UK http://ur1.ca/pp8g http://ur1.ca/pp8h http://ur1.ca/pp8i #debil | Mar 14 16:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google , #Facebook Receive Proof That #USPTO Fails http://ur1.ca/pp8w http://ur1.ca/pp8x | Mar 14 16:53 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 14 17:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra yikes | Mar 14 17:02 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Mar 14 17:12 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 14 17:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Philosophical Geekess - Did she or didn't she? http://bit.ly/d1r4Gt | Mar 14 18:14 | |
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| Ender2070 | nothing in politics change | Mar 14 18:30 |
| Ender2070 | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-20000347-261.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1 | Mar 14 18:30 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Church holds services in a pub twice a month http://ur1.ca/ppjg #awesome | Mar 14 18:32 | |
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| Ender2070 | lol | Mar 14 18:33 |
| Ender2070 | Apple made me remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im589uTchKs | Mar 14 18:33 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: English is now India's second language - http://bit.ly/drfGPL big numbers, likely to grow #english #india | Mar 14 18:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Steampunkers: beware old watch parts, including the ones with no paint. http://www.vogelein.com/JanerBlog/2009/01/#001060 (HT hirez) | Mar 14 18:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shot Of Jaq is worth a listen http://shotofjaq.org/ new show with @jonobacon | Mar 14 19:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdEZTdOlGss | Mar 14 19:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Feels like I'm chasing unicorns... is it my code that crashes or some EFL from trunk? .... | Mar 14 19:52 | |
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| sebsebseb | Mar 14 20:16 | |
| WireWulf | Mar 14 20:18 | |
| *WireWulf pokes sebsebseb | Mar 14 20:18 | |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: | Mar 14 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: | Mar 14 20:18 |
| WireWulf | is my name | Mar 14 20:18 |
| WireWulf | lol | Mar 14 20:18 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: | Mar 14 20:18 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: | Mar 14 20:18 |
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| sebsebseb | WireWulf: | Mar 14 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: | Mar 14 20:19 |
| ianto | Stopiwch | Mar 14 20:19 |
| ianto | Stopiwch | Mar 14 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | Hello ianto | Mar 14 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | Hello ianto | Mar 14 20:19 |
| WireWulf | yum | Mar 14 20:19 |
| WireWulf | yum | Mar 14 20:19 |
| *ianto returns to his VB.NET project | Mar 14 20:20 | |
| sebsebseb | ianto: your doing one of those :( | Mar 14 20:20 |
| _goblin | hello all | Mar 14 20:20 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Is that a problem? | Mar 14 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: it sucks how people have to use Microsoft proggramming technologies in most/all ICT courses these days | Mar 14 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: hi | Mar 14 20:21 |
| _goblin | how are you? | Mar 14 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: ok you? | Mar 14 20:21 |
| _goblin | Ive been off and on for a few days....damn O2 ISP. | Mar 14 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | oh how come? | Mar 14 20:21 |
| _goblin | local exchange went down. | Mar 14 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 14 20:22 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: http://www.wjec.co.uk/uploads/publications/8682.pdf | Mar 14 20:22 |
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| sebsebseb | _goblin: well that's a bit sucky | Mar 14 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: whatever that is | Mar 14 20:22 |
| _goblin | VB? Last time I used a highlevel language was years ago when I went the Delphi route instead..... | Mar 14 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Microsoft Visual Basic | Mar 14 20:23 |
| _goblin | yeah I know. | Mar 14 20:23 |
| _goblin | I went with Delphi at the time. | Mar 14 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | and it's basically drag and drop, bang a bit of code behind a form, and make a program | Mar 14 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | put in a button graphically as well | Mar 14 20:23 |
| _goblin | yes. I have dabbled. | Mar 14 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: and now these days this .NET stuff as well, and students being able to get loads of Microsoft development tools for free, all part of the Microsoft vender lock in | Mar 14 20:24 |
| WireWulf | vBASIC sucks | Mar 14 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: indeed | Mar 14 20:24 |
| _goblin | any highlevel language sucks. | Mar 14 20:24 |
| _goblin | and Im not even a pro-coder. | Mar 14 20:24 |
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| sebsebseb | _goblin: highlevel meaning? I don't know that much about proggramming | Mar 14 20:24 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: The only thing drag and drop is the interface designer just how Glade assists those who prefer GTK over Windows Forms applications | Mar 14 20:24 |
| WireWulf | C btw | Mar 14 20:24 |
| WireWulf | C is fucking awesome | Mar 14 20:25 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: For your information I've coded over 3000 lines already | Mar 14 20:25 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: Basic = highlevel .....assembly = lowlevel | Mar 14 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: What's glade? | Mar 14 20:25 |
| ianto | "Glade is a RAD tool to enable quick & easy development of user interfaces for the GTK+ toolkit and the GNOME desktop environment. | Mar 14 20:25 |
| ianto | " | Mar 14 20:25 |
| ianto | http://glade.gnome.org/ | Mar 14 20:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Glade - A User Interface Designer .::. Size~: 6.34 KB | Mar 14 20:25 |
| _goblin | last time I took coding seriously (as a hobby) It was 68k Asm on the A500. | Mar 14 20:25 |
| _goblin | rasterbars....scrolltext......ah the memories. | Mar 14 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: well using Microsoft development tools, sucks, it's all part of the vender lock in | Mar 14 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | propritary vender lock in | Mar 14 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | cross platform :) | Mar 14 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | Visual Basic and .NET aren ot cross platform | Mar 14 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | and opensource/freesoftware development tools :) | Mar 14 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | propritary software development tools :( | Mar 14 20:27 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: MonoDevelop & SharpDevelop exist which are OSS -dev tools for C# & VB (Mono) | Mar 14 20:27 |
| WireWulf | i think unix has qBASIC | Mar 14 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Mono is not real .NET | Mar 14 20:27 |
| WireWulf | dont remember | Mar 14 20:27 |
| _goblin | having said that I tried a metaball routine in Python with OpenGL bindings......god awful.....I think in terms of coding, my days are up.....no time to go back through C and certainly no hope for Python until specs are about 100x more than the project requires. | Mar 14 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Mono can't run most .NET applications, so yes .NET itself is not cross platform | Mar 14 20:27 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Mono is fully compatible with .NET 3.5 with the exception of WPF & WF | Mar 14 20:28 |
| ianto | http://mono-project.com/Compatibility | Mar 14 20:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Compatibility - Mono .::. Size~: 13.49 KB | Mar 14 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Mono is also bad | Mar 14 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | really | Mar 14 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: don't want Microsoft development crap on Desktop Linux really | Mar 14 20:28 |
| WireWulf | Mono xD | Mar 14 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: or anything that is similar to it | Mar 14 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | Mono can help with Microsoft vender lock in as well | Mar 14 20:29 |
| WireWulf | xdna also sucks but it is M$ only | Mar 14 20:29 |
| _goblin | You say .net (and presumably you include c#) is bad......the demoscene seems to have switched in the main to it...... | Mar 14 20:29 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: So you're renounce C++ just because Visual Studio C++ exists? | Mar 14 20:29 |
| ianto | *you'll | Mar 14 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: this is pointless, your two things. an Ubuntu fan boy and a Microsoft Visual Basic .NET fan boy | Mar 14 20:29 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Where's the evidence for either? | Mar 14 20:30 |
| WireWulf | C++ is crossplatfrom | Mar 14 20:30 |
| _goblin | I think the problem that many people have with .net et al is not so much it "sucks" but that its from the company with the ethos "Do it our way or not at all." | Mar 14 20:30 |
| WireWulf | _goblin: yeah thats it :P | Mar 14 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/538804 | Mar 14 20:30 |
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| _goblin | I think if Mono was a Canonical project there would be far less resistance, especially if it wasnt a poor emulation of a MS tech. | Mar 14 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: if Microsoft started making GPL lisensed cross platform, development tools, I would be impressed with them. However instead they have tools that are for Windows only, that aren't lisesned under the GPL. That's right Microsoft has a tiny bit of open source as well, but it's lisensed under their lisense. | Mar 14 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Microsoft get's students locked in to their development tools these days, with the student discounts or giving away for free | Mar 14 20:32 |
| *WireWulf paid $15 for win7 xD | Mar 14 20:32 | |
| sebsebseb | ianto: If Microsoft started making their development tools cross platform using the GPL lisense, that would be something | Mar 14 20:32 |
| ianto | WireWulf: I paid £30 ;) | Mar 14 20:32 |
| _goblin | but then the GPL is lockin (in a certain respect) because you are still abiding by rules.....true freedom would be no GPL merely a statement saying "Do whatever you want with this code, we don't care" | Mar 14 20:33 |
| WireWulf | ianto: my irssi only shows american english :'( | Mar 14 20:33 |
| ianto | WireWulf: 30 GP | Mar 14 20:33 |
| ianto | *GBP | Mar 14 20:33 |
| _goblin | Im in lamer mode tonight, Im using X-chat instead of Irssi | Mar 14 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: oh uhmm | Mar 14 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Xchat I call noob chat | Mar 14 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: since most of the Ubuntu noobs and such use it | Mar 14 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: Konversation is rather nice :) | Mar 14 20:34 |
| WireWulf | i am in irssi | Mar 14 20:34 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: I made the switch today from irssi to X-Chat and is currently using it on Win32 | Mar 14 20:34 |
| WireWulf | or weechat most of the time | Mar 14 20:34 |
| _goblin | BitchX is quite good too. | Mar 14 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: well enjoy helping Microsoft keep their market share on the desktop, by using Windows, but also developing fori t | Mar 14 20:34 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: In regards to your comments about developers tools, there are alternatives like MonoDevelop & SharpDevelop which do the exact same job as Visual Studio | Mar 14 20:35 |
| WireWulf | only good coding language M$ has is smallBASIC :P | Mar 14 20:35 |
| WireWulf | ^joke | Mar 14 20:36 |
| WireWulf | xD | Mar 14 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Mono is not really a great thing for Desktop Linux, as quite a lot of the people that come here, can explain to you | Mar 14 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I love EXEs and DLLs on Linux | Mar 14 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of how much I love Windows | Mar 14 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 20:36 |
| _goblin | Comparing a Mono app to a like for like C app.....no competition......Mono is a slug. | Mar 14 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is fast enough for the kind of apps they tend to make with it | Mar 14 20:37 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: An OSS implimentation of .NET, wow really bad for Desktop Linux ;) | Mar 14 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah Banshee is a few exe's or something, I can't remember where it was, but a guy got me to see the files for Banshee before | Mar 14 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | but Python apps do perform better | Mar 14 20:37 |
| WireWulf | comparing a unix c app to a M$ c app Unixx is better | Mar 14 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: .NET LOL there are other tools that can be used instead that are more open | Mar 14 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: .NET and Mono I mean LOL | Mar 14 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: and that are also better | Mar 14 20:37 |
| _goblin | "Mono is fast enough" - it was that type of apathy that led to Windows being the binary slug it is today....how many Windows users settle for "fast enough" | Mar 14 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | C and C++ are grades | Mar 14 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 14 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: grades? | Mar 14 20:38 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: As in A+ | Mar 14 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Yeah, like C, C+ | Mar 14 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | you know | Mar 14 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: course grades? | Mar 14 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 14 20:38 |
| WireWulf | A+ lol | Mar 14 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | C is "average" or "mediocre" | Mar 14 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | C+ is just over "good enough" | Mar 14 20:39 |
| WireWulf | D codeing language sucks :P | Mar 14 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | is there a D language? | Mar 14 20:39 |
| _goblin | Cobol rocks.... ;) | Mar 14 20:39 |
| _goblin | fortran | Mar 14 20:39 |
| WireWulf | yeah but it is very rarily used | Mar 14 20:39 |
| *ianto hasn't tried D, not enough good resources for it to get through that I've found yet | Mar 14 20:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Microsoft Elephant in the #OpenSource Room http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/14/foss-label-abused/ #foss #entryism #novell #mono | Mar 14 20:39 | |
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| sebsebseb | ianto: opensource/freesoftware :) propritary software :( with some exceptions Opera for example | Mar 14 20:40 |
| _goblin | and I even remember a few school projects in Dbase... | Mar 14 20:40 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: You simply cannot grade an application on it's openness... | Mar 14 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | A+ on making macaroni art if we're talking the certification program :) | Mar 14 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | ianto loves .NET and Mono | Mar 14 20:40 |
| WireWulf | ArchivesA coding language is dead | Mar 14 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | and Visual Basic | Mar 14 20:41 |
| WireWulf | wtf | Mar 14 20:41 |
| WireWulf | A coding language is dead | Mar 14 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ada ftw | Mar 14 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ada.Net even | Mar 14 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: well that was what you said here the other day? | Mar 14 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | other day/night | Mar 14 20:41 |
| *WireWulf was looking into colorfish | Mar 14 20:42 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sharp_%28.NET%29 | Mar 14 20:42 |
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| sebsebseb | really Microsoft should start to go away a lot more, or improve properly, they have held the desktop back for years, just most computer users have no idea | Mar 14 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | the US government did A Sharp and released it under the GPL, but you still need a CLR implementation to run it | Mar 14 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | that means .Net or Mono | Mar 14 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | oh and if Apple had about the same amount of market share with OS X as Microsoft currently has with Windows, I don't think things will be that much better | Mar 14 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | Desktop Linux and other open source OS's, those are the ones that should ideally have the most market share on the desktop | Mar 14 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Mar 14 20:44 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Open source != better | Mar 14 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | I know you quite like Ubuntu ianto, but your also helping Microsoft a bit here and there, to keep their market share on the desktop really. | Mar 14 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: I always forget what things like != mean | Mar 14 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | same as? | Mar 14 20:45 |
| _goblin | not equal | Mar 14 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Ubuntu means to promote Microsoft especially, they're just vultures hauling off whatever people are talking about lately | Mar 14 20:45 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Is not equal to | Mar 14 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 20:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Finally! Wolvix beta 3 is on its way!(About time too!) Great distro that Ive championed for a while! http://www.wolvix.org/article.php?id=30 | Mar 14 20:45 | |
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| sebsebseb | ianto: things don't have to be 100% opensource/freesoftware, but ideally things should be that, or mainly that | Mar 14 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: no I meant, since he uses Windows, but also programs stuff for it. | Mar 14 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as well as using Ubuntu | Mar 14 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and what he programs isn't cross platform, it's for some silly ICT (Information Communication Technology) course as well | Mar 14 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Mono living or dying depends entirely on Novell's financial resources to back it | Mar 14 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | if Novell dies, Mono will rot and fade away | Mar 14 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is not competent enough to maintain it | Mar 14 20:48 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Actually the mono migration tool says that I can port it to Linux if I so chose | Mar 14 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: So many stupid computer courses out there, that have been very much so locked in by Micrsooft | Mar 14 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: port it to Linux right, but using Mono hrm | Mar 14 20:48 |
| WireWulf | lmao | Mar 14 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: rather than Python or something else that is more Desktop Linux friendly | Mar 14 20:48 |
| _goblin | DaemonFC, Id also say it will depend on if devs want to use it AND if the end-user is interested in anything created with it. | Mar 14 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: at what exactly? :D | Mar 14 20:49 |
| WireWulf | M$ forces game companys to use directX so why not force them to use .net too thinking is bad | Mar 14 20:49 |
| _goblin | ianto: and Andre Da Costa says everyone loved Vista.....whats your point? | Mar 14 20:49 |
| ianto | _goblin: Point in what? | Mar 14 20:50 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: most it studies in college are in fact for M$ | Mar 14 20:50 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: indeed most computer courses in Educational Establishments are for Microsoft stuff mainly, no wonder most of these courses suck! | Mar 14 20:50 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: how ever there are colleges that are tring to bring back Unix classes | Mar 14 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: probably more of that in the USA, as for the UK nah | Mar 14 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | UK is very much locked in to Microsoft | Mar 14 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | it's also much smaller than the USA | Mar 14 20:51 |
| _goblin | ianto: I was merely being flippant.....you said "the mono migration tool says that I can port it to Linux" I merely stated what Andre Da Costa says...it might SAY you can port it, but CAN you port it. | Mar 14 20:52 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: the USA military complexx uses Unix as a whole xD | Mar 14 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | UK is very much so locked in to Microsoft, and it seems that it's quite a bit behind really other European counteries such as for example Germany, who are starting to embrace Open Document Format in their goverment departments, or whatever I was reading before | Mar 14 20:52 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb, include france aswell....I believe their police force has switched to FOSS. | Mar 14 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | yes the French as well | Mar 14 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | plus Mandriva is French | Mar 14 20:53 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: MMHMM and america is going more and more socialistixc by the day | Mar 14 20:53 |
| ianto | _goblin: It simply does an analysis of the code and checks to see if you are using any aspect of .NET that is incompatible with Mono, the results are pretty accurate considering it was built by the Mono devs | Mar 14 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | UK is a right joke when it comes to computing | Mar 14 20:53 |
| WireWulf | and the US goverment will give out only windows products | Mar 14 20:53 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: nah there was a uk linux distro | Mar 14 20:53 |
| _goblin | ianto: Im sure.....I was merely being flippant. | Mar 14 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: Blag or something? | Mar 14 20:54 |
| _goblin | ianto: what people code with is really no concern of mine. | Mar 14 20:54 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: what good os came from america? | Mar 14 20:54 |
| WireWulf | besides Unix | Mar 14 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: Quite a few Linux distros? | Mar 14 20:54 |
| ianto | WireWulf: Ubuntu is a UK distro... ;) | Mar 14 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | and BSD? | Mar 14 20:54 |
| _goblin | Everything...... | Mar 14 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: well BSD is Unix | Mar 14 20:54 |
| _goblin | doesn't everything great come from the US. | Mar 14 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: Linux distros are Unix like | Mar 14 20:54 |
| WireWulf | sebsebseb: BSD was fail till open and free BXSD | Mar 14 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: BEOS? and there's that Haiku now, which I am not sure, but is maybe from America as well | Mar 14 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: not exactly | Mar 14 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: well kind of | Mar 14 20:55 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Canonical is registered to the Isle of Man, UK | Mar 14 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | however really it's more like an American distro now | Mar 14 20:56 |
| _goblin | im sure... | Mar 14 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | plus Shuttleworth is South African | Mar 14 20:56 |
| _goblin | certainly the history books will record it coming from the US....if Ubuntu becomes the desktop distro that topples MS. | Mar 14 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: yes the HQ, but I read articles recently that said or basisally were saying, that Mandriva is Europe's number one distro | Mar 14 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: also the Isle Of Man isn't part of the main land | Mar 14 20:56 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: It's part of the UK... | Mar 14 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: belongs to UK, but UK isn't part of main land Europe | Mar 14 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | it's Europe , but | Mar 14 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | not the main land | Mar 14 20:57 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: What does that mean in relation to what I said? | Mar 14 20:58 |
| WireWulf | wee | Mar 14 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: whatever | Mar 14 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Ubuntu really is more like an American distro these days | Mar 14 21:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am not hungover. Just ... still tired. Yeah. Should pack tonight rather than tomorrow. Er. Making a list would put off moving a bit longer | Mar 14 21:00 | |
| sebsebseb | just the HQ is in Isle of Man | Mar 14 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | plus they got London office | Mar 14 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Mar 14 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: Ubuntu is also starting to suck | Mar 14 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | it really is | Mar 14 21:01 |
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| sebsebseb | well suck for experienced Desktop Linux users, that is | Mar 14 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of them | Mar 14 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | the newbies and such will still like it loads | Mar 14 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | and people like you ianto | Mar 14 21:02 |
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| _goblin | Although Ubuntu isn't on my main rig, I like Ubuntu,,,, | Mar 14 21:06 |
| _goblin | been looking at the alpha of the new LTS | Mar 14 21:06 |
| ianto | _goblin: Liking it? | Mar 14 21:06 |
| ianto | I was until it fucked out on me | Mar 14 21:06 |
| _goblin | yep....its been good | Mar 14 21:06 |
| ianto | AFter updates it refused to boot lol | Mar 14 21:07 |
| _goblin | but then I can['t say Ive ever had a prob with an Ubuntu rig. | Mar 14 21:07 |
| _goblin | the PC's that my kids and wife use are all Ubuntu. | Mar 14 21:07 |
| _goblin | its only me thats slack | Mar 14 21:07 |
| _goblin | and I think i only use Wolvix because I want to think Im "L33t"! | Mar 14 21:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canada Sets Precedence in Class-action Lawsuit Over Microsoft Abuses; Gates Still Uses Money Influence | Mar 14 21:30 | |
| DaemonFC | I can't wait until the mayor figures out that half as many trash pickup days mean twice as much garbage to pick up | Mar 14 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 21:33 |
| ianto | DaemonFC: Probably an effort to force you to recycle ;) | Mar 14 21:34 |
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| DaemonFC | ianto, I got a trash compactor actually | Mar 14 21:34 |
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| DaemonFC | sit on the bag and bounce up and down and try to stuff more garbage into it | Mar 14 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | I did manage to make it two weeks and only have one bag of garbage | Mar 14 21:35 |
| *DaemonFC is glad he weighs 190 pounds and has an ass | Mar 14 21:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canada Sets Precedence in Class-action Lawsuit Over #Microsoft Abuses; Gates Still Uses Money Influence http://ur1.ca/pq3k | Mar 14 21:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft goes as far as paying companies just to avoid buying from the competition http://ur1.ca/pq6d | Mar 14 22:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Eu diria que o Chaves está a percorrer o caminho das pedras para a Venezuela ser invadida... | Mar 14 22:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News reports about security, mostly from #IDG and almost exclusively about #Microsoft and #Windows http://ur1.ca/pq8b | Mar 14 22:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ok, I was really chasing ghosts... http://tr.im/RS33 however this breaks a lot more than desktop files... | Mar 14 22:36 | |
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| Ender2070 | yeah lol @ amd | Mar 14 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Ok over what Ender2070 ? | Mar 14 22:38 |
| Ender2070 | whining about nvidia | Mar 14 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Not like Nvidia is exactly a good company. Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Some of Nvidia actions majorally slowed down the development of X11 | Mar 14 22:40 |
| Ender2070 | amd isn't doing anything good either | Mar 14 22:41 |
| Ender2070 | and lol they say physx is closed yet they promote another closed technology which are allies with them | Mar 14 22:42 |
| oiaohm | What tech Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:42 |
| MinceR | time for someone to offer a viable alternative, then. | Mar 14 22:42 |
| oiaohm | opencl current closed but there is work to bring it fully to open source. | Mar 14 22:43 |
| Balrog | oiaohm: isn't the spec open? | Mar 14 22:43 |
| MinceR | i mean viable alternative to high-end nvidia gpus | Mar 14 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep Balrog | Mar 14 22:43 |
| Balrog | yea, so someone just has to write it :\ | Mar 14 22:44 |
| Ender2070 | AMD says physx evil due to being closed, and then they tell people to use this: http://www.pixeluxentertainment.com/ | Mar 14 22:44 |
| Balrog | and right now it relies on binary drivers, correct? | Mar 14 22:44 |
| Ender2070 | just as closed | Mar 14 22:44 |
| MinceR | i thought they suggested opencl | Mar 14 22:44 |
| Ender2070 | physx is evil! use DDM | Mar 14 22:44 |
| Ender2070 | "we're not allied with pixeluxentertainment in making ddm..... we promise! WE'RE OPEN" | Mar 14 22:45 |
| Ender2070 | "ITS FREE ...... (as in beer) | Mar 14 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/powerpoint-foe-tapped-by-white-house.ars | Mar 14 22:46 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-ecosystem-2010mar8.aspx Read more about DDM before being stupid Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AMD Open Physics Initiative Expands Ecosystem with Free DMM for Game Production and Updated version of Bullet Physics .::. Size~: 62.16 KB | Mar 14 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | "In "PowerPoint is Evil," Tufte argued that this particular product makes it easier for the presenter to get through his or her talk, but harder for the audience to understand it. Those endless cascading lines of text pretty much turn any lecture into a sales pitch, he complained. And since each panel can only hold a relatively small amount of verbiage, the speaker must deluge the audience with "one damn slide after another" f | Mar 14 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | ull of bulleted lines." | Mar 14 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | I agree | Mar 14 22:47 |
| Ender2070 | you're being stupid | Mar 14 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Powerpoint slides make me want to sleep | Mar 14 22:47 |
| Ender2070 | wheres the Fere DMM source code | Mar 14 22:48 |
| ianto | A good structured presentation is great but most admittedly fail | Mar 14 22:48 |
| oiaohm | OpenCL- and DirectCompute-capable platforms DDM is middle lib. Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:48 |
| Ender2070 | Where is the source code for Free DMM | Mar 14 22:48 |
| oiaohm | In bullet svn. Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically stop being stupid Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | What's Twitter's policy on cussing someone out? | Mar 14 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 14 22:50 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - amd isn't telling people to use bullet | Mar 14 22:50 |
| oiaohm | They are Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:51 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - they are recommending Pixelux Digital Molecular Matter (DMM) | Mar 14 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Pixelux has tightly integrated its technology, DMM, with Bullet Physics | Mar 14 22:52 |
| Ender2070 | DDM uses Bullet Physics | Mar 14 22:52 |
| Ender2070 | thats like Apple using Darwin | Mar 14 22:52 |
| Ender2070 | AMD (NYSE:AMD) today announced that, along with partners Pixelux Entertainment and Bullet Physics, it has added significant support to the Open Physics ecosystem by providing game developers with access to | Mar 14 22:52 |
| Ender2070 | _______the newest version of the Pixelux Digital Molecular Matter (DMM), a breakthrough in physics simulation.____ | Mar 14 22:53 |
| Ender2070 | RTFM | Mar 14 22:53 |
| Ender2070 | In addition, to enabling a superior development experience and helping to reduce time to market, Pixelux has tightly integrated its technology, DMM, with *****************Bullet Physics****************, allowing developers to integrate physics simulation into game titles that run on both OpenCL- and DirectCompute-capable platforms. | Mar 14 22:53 |
| Ender2070 | PROPRIETARY PLATFORM WITH OPEN SOURCE BITS | Mar 14 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Mar 14 22:54 |
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| oiaohm | The paid for form is for consoles Ender2070 | Mar 14 22:54 |
| Ender2070 | AMD isn't open source friendly | Mar 14 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Areas where open source is forbin. | Mar 14 22:54 |
| Ender2070 | where is the DMM source? | Mar 14 22:54 |
| Ender2070 | all i can get is bullet source | Mar 14 22:54 |
| Ender2070 | where is the DMM source which combines bullet and others | Mar 14 22:54 |
| Ender2070 | ??? | Mar 14 22:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #EMC - #VMware Snuggling (and Why #Microsoft Executives Were Put in Charge) http://ur1.ca/pqat | Mar 14 22:55 | |
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| Ender2070 | AMD isn't anyones savior, they are just as greedy as every other proprietary hardware vendor | Mar 14 22:58 |
| oiaohm | AMD deal will see DMM appear there. As with all things AMD the annonucement happens before the actions. Ender2070 | Mar 14 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8567071.stm | Mar 14 23:01 |
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| DaemonFC | 18,000 Mexicans die in this "drug war" | Mar 14 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | 3 Americans get killed and it's an "outrage" | Mar 14 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason the Mexicans died is cause we're sitting on them to solve our drug problem | Mar 14 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | Calderon is the US ambassador to Mexico | Mar 14 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | make the penalty for buying the shit the death sentence, see how many Americans want to buy some then | Mar 14 23:03 |
| oiaohm | what about allowing drugs to be sold that are pure posion that first does will kill. So making taking drugs pure russian rollete. | Mar 14 23:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Right, about half the packing done. Now to bed. | Mar 14 23:11 | |
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| Ender2070 | oiaohm - LOL, AMD is a proprietary hardware vendor that is just as bad as nvidia | Mar 14 23:13 |
| Ender2070 | nothing will come of it besides getting AMD more money | Mar 14 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Lets wait and see Ender2070 | Mar 14 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, At least you can realistically use open source drivers on your ATI hardware | Mar 14 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's more functional now than Nouveau will ever be | Mar 14 23:15 |
| Balrog | aren't most CPUs proprietary hardware/ | Mar 14 23:16 |
| Balrog | ? * | Mar 14 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | If Nouveau managed to get decent support for anything, it'll always be at least a generation or two behind current hardware | Mar 14 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | without the specs out there in the open, they'll always be further behind than xorg-video-ati | Mar 14 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | I won't say that ATI RadeonHD 5xxx series support it wonderful now, but at least the driver knows what it is. NV sometimes goes a whole year without supporting anything on a new Geforce | Mar 14 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | the system has to use Vesa to get X to even load | Mar 14 23:18 |
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| tessier__ | All CPUs are proprietary. I'm not sure how much of a problem that is. RMS uses proprietary CPUs doesn't he? | Mar 14 23:25 |
| Balrog | tessier_: doesn't he use that MIPS processor? | Mar 14 23:25 |
| tessier__ | Balrog: I don't know. Isn't MIPS proprietary also? | Mar 14 23:26 |
| Balrog | let me look it up | Mar 14 23:26 |
| Balrog | from what I remember, it was not proprietary | Mar 14 23:26 |
| MinceR | that's what i remember too | Mar 14 23:26 |
| tessier__ | I'm not sure to what degree you really want it to be open. Can you actually get netlists and everything for the whole cpu? | Mar 14 23:26 |
| MinceR | also, i've heard that SPARCs are open source too | Mar 14 23:26 |
| tessier__ | I'm pretty sure modern SPARCs are not. | Mar 14 23:27 |
| tessier__ | Sun keeps a lot of magic in there. | Mar 14 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ryanf | Mar 14 23:27 |
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| MinceR | maybe older ones then | Mar 14 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | weeeeeee | Mar 14 23:27 |
| Balrog | tessier__: I forget what computer he used | Mar 14 23:27 |
| Balrog | it was this chinese-designed netbook | Mar 14 23:27 |
| MinceR | some Loongson-based netbook | Mar 14 23:27 |
| Balrog | yea | Mar 14 23:28 |
| Balrog | I think that's proprietary | Mar 14 23:28 |
| Balrog | and patented | Mar 14 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Leo Laporte is talking about iTampon | Mar 14 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | said he's ordered four of them | Mar 14 23:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Makes Toys, #GNU #Linux Still Ahead of It http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/14/merged-apple-items/ #ipad #iphone #android | Mar 14 23:28 | |
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| Balrog | DaemonFC: I'm not going to discuss the iPad until after it ships | Mar 14 23:29 |
| Balrog | preferably, until after I have a chance to use one (demo model at a store) | Mar 14 23:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @j_zim Signatories of the Written Declaration 12/2010 on #ACTA http://ur1.ca/pqcc Next step: mini-plenary in Brussels March 24/25 #EU | Mar 14 23:31 | |
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| MinceR | iirc they avoided the patented parts of the MIPS instruction set | Mar 14 23:32 |
| MinceR | but that might have only applied to the first versions | Mar 14 23:33 |
| Balrog | MinceR: until they got a license | Mar 14 23:33 |
| MinceR | question is then, which version is in RMS's netbook | Mar 14 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No, they licensed the full set | Mar 14 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | they are a MIPS64 CPU | Mar 14 23:34 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: there were multiple versions of that CPU | Mar 14 23:34 |
| MinceR | or generations | Mar 14 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | well, the current ones license the full set | Mar 14 23:34 |
| Balrog | GNU used to have a page with what computers they had | Mar 14 23:36 |
| Balrog | err, FSF | Mar 14 23:37 |
| Balrog | http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Hardware/Freest | Mar 14 23:37 |
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| Balrog | and http://config.fsf.org/rms/wiki?name=lemote+yeeloong | Mar 14 23:38 |
| Balrog | though that one isn't loading for me | Mar 14 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://pidaymagic.com/ | Mar 14 23:38 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, Laporte likes proprietary stuff | Mar 14 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It pays him | Mar 14 23:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Michael Gartenberg’s AstroTurfing for #Microsoft Takes ‘Entelligence’ Tag http://ur1.ca/pqew #shilling #pr | Mar 14 23:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Aubergine" http://bit.ly/dAs4wm (no, not the post I didn't post over the weekend, something less controversial) :) | Mar 14 23:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] chie | Mar 14 23:45 | |
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