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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 21st, 2010

ender2070he probably enjoys mono tooMar 21 00:00
_goblinUbuntu - Gutsy Gates verMar 21 00:00
DaemonFCone may be a little sweeter, but they're both the same thingMar 21 00:00
Sir_Konradender2070: I know he uses Macs, and he thinks the MS website is disgusting.Mar 21 00:00
Sir_KonradDaemonFC: then what do you think of BSD?Mar 21 00:00
ender2070Sir_Konrad - LOL i knew he runs macs since Y2kMar 21 00:00
_goblindaemonfc: I think if its treated early it has no long term health effectsMar 21 00:00
DaemonFCWell, free software tends to promote a lot of duplication of effortMar 21 00:00
ender2070Sir_Konrad - he claimed to be safe from the Y2k bugMar 21 00:00
DaemonFCbut it's not like proprietary software doesn'tMar 21 00:01
Sir_KonradlolMar 21 00:01
sebsebseb_goblin: we7 do open formats as well? :DMar 21 00:01
Sir_KonradDaemonFC: http://opensource.apple.com/Mar 21 00:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source - Releases .::. Size~: 22.76 KBMar 21 00:01
Sir_Konradg2g eat dinner bblMar 21 00:01
ender2070DaemonFC - If I had to choose between Apple or MS i'd choose Apple.Mar 21 00:01
DaemonFCdoesn't countMar 21 00:01
_goblinsebsebseb, couldn't tell you...only use the site to stream...Mar 21 00:01
MinceRSir_Konrad: yes, it isn't m$, it's something that's very similar to m$.Mar 21 00:01
DaemonFCnobody uses it but AppleMar 21 00:01
ender2070DaemonFC - but since linux exists, never! hahahahahaMar 21 00:01
_goblinMy wife has a Mac...Mar 21 00:02
_goblinshe is very happy with it.Mar 21 00:02
Diablo-D3I dont mind people owning macsMar 21 00:02
ender2070I have a friend with a hackintosh though, quite amusingMar 21 00:02
Diablo-D3I'd rather the world be filled with macs than windows machinesMar 21 00:02
sebsebseb_goblin: right well, she is probably not that technical also, so no wonderMar 21 00:02
ender2070Diablo-D3 - same hereMar 21 00:02
DaemonFCIf Darwin was awesome code wit ha decent license, other people would be using at least some of itMar 21 00:02
Diablo-D3you can hate apple all you want, but at least their OS isn't a gigantic pile of shitMar 21 00:02
_goblinsebsebseb, I think its more a status symbol...Mar 21 00:03
MinceRat least some windows pcs can be cleansed of the stupid with a gnu/linux installMar 21 00:03
Diablo-D3I dont care OSX is essentially closed sourceMar 21 00:03
MinceRcrApple hardware will remain crApple hardwareMar 21 00:03
sebsebseb_goblin: well loads of chavs by their Macs and such, thinking they are so "cool" or whateverMar 21 00:03
Diablo-D3I really dontMar 21 00:03
_goblinsebsebseb, fair play though, it hasn't messed up and she is known for ruining computer systems.Mar 21 00:03
ender2070Mincer - not true, you can install linux on any appleMar 21 00:03
DaemonFCThe fact that nobody else will touch Darwin kind of speaks for its technical qualityMar 21 00:03
Diablo-D3closed source _that actually works right_ is completely fine with meMar 21 00:03
sebsebseb_goblin: buy not by above, little typeo thereMar 21 00:03
Diablo-D3its also rare.Mar 21 00:03
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: no one has a use for darwinMar 21 00:03
MinceRender2070: yes i can, but the hw will still be just as shoddyMar 21 00:03
ender2070Mincer - look up some old Linus Torvalds interviews about what pc he owned, you'll be surprised (yes he owned a mac)Mar 21 00:03
sebsebseb_goblin: well  yeah OS X,  Unix based so yeahMar 21 00:03
_goblinsebsebseb, do chavs have the money for Macs these days?Mar 21 00:04
MinceRender2070: and macos will still be paid forMar 21 00:04
sebsebseb_goblin: some of them yeahMar 21 00:04
_goblinsebsebseb, ah.Mar 21 00:04
MinceRender2070: i don't idolize LinusMar 21 00:04
sebsebseb_goblin: or many of them evenMar 21 00:04
ender2070Mincer - Linus Torvalds used to own a macMar 21 00:04
MinceRender2070: that's his problem, not mineMar 21 00:04
_goblinso did columboMar 21 00:04
ender2070Mincer - idolize or not, its possible - thats all im sayingMar 21 00:04
MinceRso what? i bought a dell, yet i'm still saying that dells suck (if only i knew before deciding to buy it)Mar 21 00:05
ender2070Mincer - and there was nothing wrong with the hardware inside powerpc macs, it was ibm technologyMar 21 00:05
MinceRMBPs aren't PPCMar 21 00:05
sebsebseb_goblin: thing is really for  most average computer users,  with a bit of set up help,  they can do what they want on a computer, with a Linux distroMar 21 00:05
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191888/study_twitter_may_have_jumped_the_shark.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 00:05
sebsebseb_goblin: do what they want to do,  or most of it anyway, and if not well,  Windows virtual machine for exampleMar 21 00:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Study: Twitter May Have Jumped the Shark - PCWorld .::. Size~: 66.12 KBMar 21 00:05
schestowitz[23:57] <Sir_Konrad> MinceR: heck, it's not Microsoft. :DMar 21 00:06
sebsebseb_goblin: however even then really they will be doing what they want to do on a computer, with a Linux distro :DMar 21 00:06
schestowitzAs I say, Apple ="anti Microsoft"Mar 21 00:06
MinceRnopeMar 21 00:06
MinceRit's "little micro$oft"Mar 21 00:06
schestowitzLinux="anti non-Freedom software"Mar 21 00:06
sebsebseb_goblin: oh Windows can be a pretty useful tool inside  a Linux distro  as a virtual machine, at timesMar 21 00:06
MinceRmostly the same unethical tactics pulled off with less competenceMar 21 00:06
MinceRFUD, lock-in, tyingMar 21 00:06
MinceRthe same contempt for the user's intellectMar 21 00:07
ender2070mincer - i agree with iphone and ipadMar 21 00:07
MinceRripping off xerox and claiming they invented everything the same wayMar 21 00:07
ender2070we rip off ms and appleMar 21 00:07
MinceRyou do?Mar 21 00:07
ender2070not me personallyMar 21 00:08
ender2070look at gnome dudeMar 21 00:08
ender2070look at kdeMar 21 00:08
MinceRoh, almost forgot the excessive reliance on marketing to sell crapMar 21 00:08
schestowitzApple attacks companyMar 21 00:08
ender2070they all use windows, icons, etcMar 21 00:08
schestowitzLinux addres a bad a phenomenonMar 21 00:08
MinceRender2070: and none of that came from m$ nor from crAppleMar 21 00:08
ender2070everyone uses a mouseMar 21 00:08
schestowitzApple is "another evil"Mar 21 00:08
schestowitzLike IBMMar 21 00:08
ender2070thats all stuff apple and ms stole from xeroxMar 21 00:08
schestowitzApple attacks Linux nowMar 21 00:08
MinceRibm is a lot less evil than crApple or m$Mar 21 00:09
schestowitzMucb to MS' chagrinMar 21 00:09
ender2070good artists create, great artists stealMar 21 00:09
MinceRalso, ibm seems to be on our sideMar 21 00:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to: Rock Me Amadeus - Classic!Mar 21 00:09
ender2070mincer - im agreeing with youMar 21 00:09
ender2070IBM isn't another ever, its on our sideMar 21 00:10
ender2070evil*Mar 21 00:10
schestowitzI like Steve Jobs...Mar 21 00:10
schestowitzIn cheese formMar 21 00:10
schestowitzIt probably smells but tastes niceMar 21 00:10
sebsebsebLoads of you seem to like Twitter a lot that come here, even though it's propritary :DMar 21 00:10
ender2070i hate twitterMar 21 00:11
schestowitzhttp://www.walyou.com/blog/2010/03/20/steve-jobs-cheese-head/Mar 21 00:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Eat Steve Jobs Cheese Head | Walyou .::. Size~: 37.37 KBMar 21 00:11
schestowitzsebsebseb: I use identicaMar 21 00:11
ender2070identi.ca is betterMar 21 00:11
schestowitzIt sends copies to TwitterMar 21 00:11
sebsebsebplus like Facebook it may  have/get security/privacy issuesMar 21 00:11
schestowitzI was in Identica firstMar 21 00:11
ender2070identi.ca is easier to follow tooMar 21 00:11
schestowitzTrueMar 21 00:11
ender2070especially when people reply to each otherMar 21 00:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am typing this stuff, since the amount of   BNtwitter notices I see hereMar 21 00:11
schestowitzIt has more features in some areasMar 21 00:12
schestowitzender2070: yes, that oneMar 21 00:12
schestowitzmail alerts tooMar 21 00:12
sebsebsebBNtwitter  noticesMar 21 00:12
ender2070sebsebseb - its likely twitter has more clientsMar 21 00:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: open an account in identicaMar 21 00:12
schestowitzYou'll be syndicated hereMar 21 00:12
sebsebsebschestowitz: what ou mean syndicated here?Mar 21 00:12
schestowitzS even when you're out of IRC you'll be around hereMar 21 00:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: on BNiMar 21 00:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah, but why would I want to sign up  on such a site, and do pointless messages?Mar 21 00:13
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191893/fake_macbook_air_big_iphone_tablet_on_show_in_china.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 00:13
phIRCe-BNchttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191893/fake_macbook_air_big_iphone_tablet_on_show_in_china.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 00:13
schestowitzWeird.Mar 21 00:13
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191893/fake_macbook_air_big_iphone_tablet_on_show_in_china.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 00:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fake MacBook Air, 'big IPhone' Tablet on Show in China - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.37 KBMar 21 00:13
schestowitzBut Apple products ARE made in CHina!Mar 21 00:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: tell the world what I am doing blah de blahMar 21 00:13
schestowitzBy children evenMar 21 00:14
MinceRwhat happened to the _other_ Twitter?Mar 21 00:14
sebsebsebseriosuly though who would care much?Mar 21 00:14
schestowitzsebsebseb: "good morning, world"Mar 21 00:14
schestowitz"g'day"Mar 21 00:14
schestowitz"Going to the bathroom"Mar 21 00:14
schestowitz"Goes to pat puppy on head"Mar 21 00:14
schestowitz"OMG! example.org and ponies a' stuff!"Mar 21 00:15
sebsebsebI am not exactly famous or sort of famous like jono or popey and people like that are,  and even you schestowitz  to an extent,  hence why I suppouse your site got attacked before, because they didn't like your message.Mar 21 00:15
sebsebseb_goblin: So what do you usee?  Twitter? Facebook?  indenti ca?Mar 21 00:15
sebsebsebwhat do you use, aboveMar 21 00:15
_goblinsebsebseb, Twitter mainly....I gave up a bit on Identi.caMar 21 00:16
ender2070im probably going to make a identi.ca account for pwnage.caMar 21 00:16
_goblinI was on facebook....Mar 21 00:16
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191909/palm_ceo_we_could_have_been_bigger_than_droid.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 00:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Palm CEO: We Could Have Been Bigger Than Droid - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.07 KBMar 21 00:16
sebsebseb_goblin: Why are you using those sites?Mar 21 00:16
_goblinsebsebseb, what Twitter?Mar 21 00:16
sebsebseb_goblin: yeah Mar 21 00:16
schestowitz_goblin: use bothMar 21 00:16
sebsebseband Facebook and identi casMar 21 00:16
schestowitzYou can set it up such that both are kept in synchMar 21 00:16
sebsebseb_goblin: also are you anoymous on them or not?Mar 21 00:17
_goblinsebsebseb, as you can appreciate I didn't link my facebook, for reasons that I think you understand.Mar 21 00:17
schestowitztrmanco had me use ping.fm for a whileMar 21 00:17
_goblinsebsebseb, I am under my proper name on facebook.Mar 21 00:17
sebsebseb_goblin: I see like most people thenMar 21 00:17
_goblinsebsebseb, buts its only family its linked to.Mar 21 00:17
ender2070I used to be on facebook under my real name way too dangerousMar 21 00:17
sebsebseb_goblin: yeah  I am not so keen on the idea of using a real name on those kind of sites eitherMar 21 00:18
schestowitzIn this news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/16/fbi-facebook-crime-studyMar 21 00:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] 2 issues with http://bit.ly/88uwB 1) I have to get up at 6AM to make it. 2) The leg of lamb I have wont fit in my slow cooker. Hmmm..Mar 21 00:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: FBI using Facebook in fight against crime |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 70.73 KBMar 21 00:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slow Cooker Leg of Lamb with Vegetables recipe - lamb shanks sweetened with honey and cooked in a slow cooker or crock pot .::. Size~: 20.75 KBMar 21 00:18
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/17/mafia_suspect_tracked_via_facebook/Mar 21 00:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mafia don suspect tracked down via Facebook • The Register .::. Size~: 20.22 KBMar 21 00:18
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191927/apple_facebook_get_into_geolocation.html?tk=rss_mainMar 21 00:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple, Facebook Get Into Geolocation  - PCWorld .::. Size~: 75.53 KBMar 21 00:18
sebsebsebender2070: Way to dangerous how?Mar 21 00:18
ender2070lol look aboveMar 21 00:18
_goblinone thing I will say.....I see no point in keeping it secret....if anyone is wondering what my real name is, its Tim.Mar 21 00:18
ender2070_goblin - i use pseudonym onlineMar 21 00:18
_goblinor Timothy when Im in the wifes bad books.Mar 21 00:19
sebsebsebender2070: what's that?Mar 21 00:19
ender2070sebsebseb - its a pen name, if you've heard of that termMar 21 00:19
sebsebsebender2070: pen name no not hard of that term, but I guess you mean a made up name?Mar 21 00:19
ender2070sebsebseb - yes a made up name, a lot of authors do itMar 21 00:19
schestowitzTimblinMar 21 00:20
sebsebsebI am Sebastian, and i'll keep my middle names and sur name secret :)Mar 21 00:20
schestowitzLike MoblinMar 21 00:20
schestowitzGoblin MobileMar 21 00:20
schestowitzTimGoMar 21 00:20
schestowitzLike MeegoMar 21 00:20
schestowitzMoblin+MaemoMar 21 00:20
ender2070sebsebseb - cool :)Mar 21 00:20
schestowitzTomblinMar 21 00:20
_goblinTimblinMar 21 00:20
_goblinthats cool.Mar 21 00:21
ender2070sebsebseb - i learned at an early age its stupid to put your real name onlineMar 21 00:21
sebsebsebThis is one of my few online names :DMar 21 00:21
schestowitzLinux in a tombMar 21 00:21
schestowitz_goblin: sounds too similar to timblMar 21 00:21
ender2070sebsebseb - any political enemies can get youMar 21 00:21
schestowitztimbl is the alias of Sir Tim B-LMar 21 00:21
ender2070sebsebseb - damage your real life repMar 21 00:21
sebsebsebender2070: Well first names  aren't a big deal,  but sur names should protect,  espesialy if not a common sur name.Mar 21 00:21
MinceR"timbl" makes Tim Berners-Lee sound very web2.0-ishMar 21 00:22
ender2070sebsebseb - this is why i wont register a domain under anything but .ca tooMar 21 00:22
_goblinschestowitz: One day we will have to talk on phone....I met up with someone who I think you know, luckily he didn't realize who I was (I was at work at the time)Mar 21 00:22
sebsebsebender2070: what's that about domain name?Mar 21 00:22
schestowitzMinceR: yeahMar 21 00:22
MinceRender2070: why is .ca special?Mar 21 00:22
ender2070sebsebseb - privacy is more strict in canada, .ca requires a court order to get the informationMar 21 00:22
schestowitzHis wife flickrs himMar 21 00:22
_goblinsounds painfulMar 21 00:22
sebsebsebender2070: ohMar 21 00:22
schestowitzRandR 2.0Mar 21 00:22
ender2070sebsebseb - do a whois on pwnage.caMar 21 00:23
MinceRrandr 2.0 BETA?Mar 21 00:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: your using your real name though?Mar 21 00:23
schestowitzRenewal date:          2010/12/31Mar 21 00:23
schestowitzsebsebseb: yesMar 21 00:23
schestowitzSo Brandon is a fake name?Mar 21 00:23
DaemonFC"What do you mean they cut the power!? How could they cut the power man!? They're animals!!!"Mar 21 00:23
DaemonFCB-)Mar 21 00:23
schestowitzIt's not fakeMar 21 00:23
MinceRor even randrMar 21 00:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah and on other websites,  peole have already faked to be you? you told me beforeMar 21 00:24
ender2070ill give you my first name is BrandonMar 21 00:24
sebsebsebender2070: I guess famous people are useually alright using their real names thoughMar 21 00:24
_goblinhow about.....Mar 21 00:24
ender2070sebsebseb - a lot of celebrities obscure their real names using middle namesMar 21 00:25
schestowitzPuff DaddyMar 21 00:25
ender2070sebsebseb - look up tom cruiseMar 21 00:25
_goblineveryone for the next few minutes changes their handle to their first name?  A little sad I know but maybe a little fun?Mar 21 00:25
DaemonFCpufferyMar 21 00:25
schestowitz"Mr. Daddy, would you like to reserve a room, Sir?"Mar 21 00:25
sebsebseb_goblin: okMar 21 00:25
MinceRender2070: whoa, .ca policy is nice. do you know any other TLDs with that policy?Mar 21 00:25
schestowitzSean CombsMar 21 00:25
*_goblin is now known as ____TimMar 21 00:25
*sebsebseb is now known as SebastianMar 21 00:25
ender2070Mincer - im not sure, Canada has very strong privacy lawsMar 21 00:25
*Sebastian is now known as Sebastian_Mar 21 00:25
____Timcouldn't go with "Tim" its takenMar 21 00:25
schestowitzTimblMar 21 00:26
schestowitzThat'll be easierMar 21 00:26
*Sebastian_ is now known as SSebastianMar 21 00:26
*____Tim is now known as Tim_Mar 21 00:26
Tim_DaemonFC: How about you?Mar 21 00:26
DaemonFCMy name is not TimMar 21 00:26
SSebastianschestowitz: come on Roy change yours to RoyMar 21 00:26
schestowitzThe Microsoftcarthyists now need to do UK DB search on Daniels with fathers called teamMar 21 00:26
DaemonFC:)Mar 21 00:27
schestowitz*timMar 21 00:27
Tim_DaemonFC: Don't be shy.....Mar 21 00:27
schestowitzThen they get the commiesMar 21 00:27
SSebastianDaemonFC: change your name, to your real first name :) go onMar 21 00:27
Tim_Its easy to see the cowards here ;)Mar 21 00:27
*ender2070 is now known as Brandon__Mar 21 00:27
Tim_yeah.Mar 21 00:27
Brandon__thats all your gettingMar 21 00:27
SSebastianTim_: indeed,  altough we knows schestowitz  anyway, but even so he should do itMar 21 00:27
Tim_thats fineMar 21 00:27
Brandon__tho, the spelling is different :PMar 21 00:28
schestowitzRyan Farmer is a common nameMar 21 00:28
schestowitzNo danger thereMar 21 00:28
Tim_Yes, Roy should be included.Mar 21 00:28
Tim_I would accept Dr Roy though.Mar 21 00:28
schestowitzSomeone called "mark Fink" sent me mail some months agoMar 21 00:28
schestowitzSOme creep with the same name made an employer/interviewer frownMar 21 00:28
schestowitzThere are many Finks and if one does bad things, others sufferMar 21 00:29
schestowitzGoogle factorMar 21 00:29
schestowitzWith a name like Tim Smith you can say anuythingMar 21 00:29
Tim_Howard Fink was a WWF ring announcer.Mar 21 00:29
Tim_no hang on....Mar 21 00:29
Brandon__thats why you cant use your real info onlineMar 21 00:29
Tim_it was Howard FinkelMar 21 00:29
schestowitzOKMar 21 00:29
schestowitzBrandon__: not trueMar 21 00:30
schestowitzIf someone else has the same name as you, there's nothing to loseMar 21 00:30
schestowitzPeople can easily get real infoMar 21 00:30
Brandon__you mean if its like John Smith?Mar 21 00:30
schestowitzThey have leakers in ISPsMar 21 00:30
SSebastianI seem to be a one of a kind, name wise :)   first name and sur nameMar 21 00:30
Brandon__if my ISP gave out my info, i could sue them under the privacy actMar 21 00:31
Brandon__wait, i wouldnt even have toMar 21 00:31
Brandon__the federal government willMar 21 00:31
schestowitzYou wish...Mar 21 00:31
SSebastianTim_: and if your ISP gave out your info to people, what would you do?Mar 21 00:31
schestowitzLike AT&Tafter the Klein leak?Mar 21 00:32
schestowitzThey killed even the 60 Minutes reportMar 21 00:32
schestowitzDMCA can be used to grab people's infoMar 21 00:32
schestowitzDMCA is a broken lawMar 21 00:32
SSebastianSSSebastian   this name is remidning me of  the SS  Great BritainMar 21 00:32
schestowitzThunderf00t has many videos about the subject: http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t#p/u/60/agTHok-W_PIMar 21 00:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Thunderf00t's Channel .::. Size~: 113.43 KBMar 21 00:32
Tim_SSebastian, interesting question...Mar 21 00:33
Tim_SSebastian, sorry I was having a smoke.....Mar 21 00:33
Tim_SSebastian, I don't know, as I think you can appreciate from our chat the other day I wouldn't be happy....Mar 21 00:34
Tim_SSebastian, however if it was in the T&C theres little I could do since it would be a "Condition of entry"Mar 21 00:35
SSebastianTim_:  remember this channel gets publically logged :DMar 21 00:35
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*Brandon__ (~ender2070@wcphamil47guise.grokspots.com) has joined #boycottnovellMar 21 00:36
Brandon__Canada isn't AmericaMar 21 00:36
Tim_SSebastian, yeah, but this means only to people like yourself who I have spoken to directly.Mar 21 00:36
Brandon__http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/94239-Canadian-Government-Forces-Facebook-ChangesMar 21 00:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Escapist : News : Canadian Government Forces Facebook Changes .::. Size~: 38.67 KBMar 21 00:36
Tim_*means something only....Mar 21 00:36
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Tim_SSebastian, theres a few people on Twitter I have spoken with who now know who I am.  Sazzlerock is one, she lives just down the road from me!Mar 21 00:37
Brandon__whats interesting is that facebook will be using Canada's changes worldwideMar 21 00:37
Sir_Konradhey if a website shows DNS Lookup Error, is it me or is it the website?Mar 21 00:37
Brandon__so you can thank us for making your facebook experience more private :)Mar 21 00:37
DaemonFCBrandon__: You win one Windows MeMar 21 00:38
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiNWw7h8cEUMar 21 00:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Windows ME Intro .::. Size~: 104.3 KBMar 21 00:38
*MinceR has no facebook experienceMar 21 00:38
Brandon__tho the changes will be in this summer sometimeMar 21 00:38
*SSebastian is now known as Seb-astianMar 21 00:38
MinceR012612 < Brandon__> Canada isn't AmericaMar 21 00:38
MinceRit is _in_ america, though :>Mar 21 00:38
Sir_Konradyo, guys! ^Mar 21 00:38
MinceRj0Mar 21 00:39
Brandon__mincer - i was wondering how long that would take, lolMar 21 00:39
*Brandon__ is now known as Ender2070Mar 21 00:39
*Tim_ is now known as Tim_AKA_GoblinMar 21 00:39
Tim_AKA_Goblin"Im not a handle Im a free man"Mar 21 00:40
Seb-astianEnder2070: Yeah like it or not, but your also American reallyMar 21 00:40
Seb-astianEnder2070: Since North AmericanMar 21 00:40
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191962/pitch_imperfect_10_lousy_celebrity_endorsements.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 00:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pitch Imperfect: 10 Lousy Celebrity Endorsements  - PCWorld .::. Size~: 56.49 KBMar 21 00:40
Seb-astianEnder2070: your like the Mexicans,  the type that hasn't been born in USAMar 21 00:41
schestowitzSir_Konrad: neitherMar 21 00:41
Sir_Konradschestowitz: ok, so what's the problem?Mar 21 00:41
schestowitzSomewhere in betweenMar 21 00:42
schestowitzUnless you mistyped itMar 21 00:42
Seb-astianEnder2070: altough, if Canadian parants are on holiday in the USA,  and the mother has the baby there,  well  some people would say that the baby is American not CanadianMar 21 00:42
schestowitzAmerican natives had good namesMar 21 00:43
schestowitzAlphabet is badMar 21 00:43
schestowitzNeeds to associateMar 21 00:43
schestowitzNumbers hard to rememberMar 21 00:43
Ender2070Seb-astian - usa hijacked the term "americans"Mar 21 00:43
schestowitz"man eats eagle" is easy to rememberMar 21 00:44
schestowitzThe brain can store it as an image"Mar 21 00:44
schestowitzDances with wolves.....Mar 21 00:44
MinceRwords work well for me :)Mar 21 00:44
schestowitzWe should have names like thisMar 21 00:44
schestowitzAlso makes more fun naming kidsMar 21 00:44
MinceRi prefer nicks anywayMar 21 00:44
Seb-astianEnder2070: yes a guy from Costa Rica would agree with you 100% on that oneMar 21 00:45
Ender2070schestowitz - nobody is stopping youMar 21 00:45
schestowitzWe could call Stephen Ballmer "dances with LSD"Mar 21 00:45
Seb-astianEnder2070: he calls them usaniansMar 21 00:45
MinceRrather "dances-and-sweats"Mar 21 00:45
MinceRor "dances-and-throws-chairs"Mar 21 00:45
schestowitzMaybeMar 21 00:45
schestowitzBut not when he's namedMar 21 00:45
schestowitzWhen he's born he's just covered in bodily dluidsMar 21 00:46
Ender2070Seb-astian - i call them facistsMar 21 00:46
schestowitzNot his ownMar 21 00:46
Tim_AKA_Goblin"Shills with Microsoft"Mar 21 00:46
schestowitz*fluiMar 21 00:46
schestowitztimbl: yeah, Da CostaMar 21 00:46
Tim_AKA_GoblinlolMar 21 00:46
MinceRwell, it was probably hard to tell when he was born what a criminal he'll becomeMar 21 00:46
Tim_AKA_GoblinyepMar 21 00:46
schestowitzBut he might get a conract with Steve "Blowtard" JobsMar 21 00:46
Ender2070Steve Jobs at least admits his LSD tripsMar 21 00:47
schestowitzIs he?Mar 21 00:47
schestowitzWas he that much of a genuine hippie?Mar 21 00:47
Ender2070long time agoMar 21 00:47
Ender2070at least according to the movie pirates of silicon valleyMar 21 00:47
schestowitzMaybe that explains why he's busting his organsMar 21 00:47
schestowitzNot really, but it doesn't help.Mar 21 00:48
Ender2070lsd doesnt bust your organsMar 21 00:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I watched @TheKevinButler ads on youtube and felt unnerved that it actually made me feel that I wanted a PS3!Mar 21 00:48
schestowitzHe's arrogantMar 21 00:48
schestowitzIn privateMar 21 00:48
Ender2070yeahMar 21 00:48
schestowitzExtremely unpleasant I hearMar 21 00:48
schestowitzImpatientMar 21 00:48
Ender2070he hated IBM tooMar 21 00:48
schestowitzGlyn Moody would tell youMar 21 00:48
Ender2070he called them Big BrotherMar 21 00:48
Ender2070even made a 1984 commercial making fun of themMar 21 00:48
schestowitzHe did a videoMar 21 00:48
schestowitz1984Mar 21 00:48
Ender2070yetMar 21 00:49
schestowitzWell, I call him Pig Brother :-DMar 21 00:49
Ender2070iTunes and iPad are big brothers dreamMar 21 00:49
*schestowitz snortsMar 21 00:49
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Ender2070yay drm books, down the memory hole you go!Mar 21 00:49
schestowitzSave the paperzzz!Mar 21 00:49
Tim_AKA_GoblinIve always prefered a book.Mar 21 00:49
Tim_AKA_Goblinhad a look at a Kindle...Mar 21 00:49
Tim_AKA_Goblinwasn't impressed.Mar 21 00:50
schestowitzKinder?Mar 21 00:50
Ender2070lolMar 21 00:50
Ender2070kindle was ironicMar 21 00:50
Tim_AKA_Goblinschestowitz: chocolate is nice though.....toy is a bit naff.Mar 21 00:50
schestowitzKilldleMar 21 00:50
Ender2070when they deleted everyones 1984Mar 21 00:50
Ender2070or was it animal farmMar 21 00:50
schestowitzKillDEL :-)Mar 21 00:50
schestowitzIt killDELS your ebooksMar 21 00:50
schestowitzRemotelyMar 21 00:50
Ender2070KillDELL ?Mar 21 00:50
schestowitzI found a new name for itMar 21 00:50
schestowitzAmazon KillDELMar 21 00:50
schestowitzIt shreds books when you're doneMar 21 00:51
Ender2070heyMar 21 00:51
schestowitzAnd it pays MSMar 21 00:51
schestowitzAfter the patent dealMar 21 00:51
Ender2070its green too!Mar 21 00:51
Ender2070it shreds your books in an environmentally friendly wayMar 21 00:51
schestowitzNoMar 21 00:51
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Ender2070no garbage paper left behindMar 21 00:51
schestowitzPaper is easy to recycleMar 21 00:51
Ender2070perfect for a "green" labelMar 21 00:51
schestowitzYou can do it in waterMar 21 00:52
Ender2070lol like dlinkMar 21 00:52
schestowitzNo heating like metalsMar 21 00:52
Ender2070yeah paper is easy to recycleMar 21 00:52
schestowitzBTW, do you recycle down south?Mar 21 00:52
Ender2070you mean up north ?Mar 21 00:52
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/17/recycling-waste-landfill-ban-rubbishMar 21 00:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Plan to ban items from bins to boost recycling |Environment |The Guardian .::. Size~: 175.15 KBMar 21 00:52
schestowitzOOPSMar 21 00:52
schestowitzI though I was talking to timblMar 21 00:52
Ender2070we already have that shit hereMar 21 00:52
schestowitz*LOL*Mar 21 00:52
Ender2070forced recycling of certain thingsMar 21 00:53
Ender2070they even pay kids to rat people outMar 21 00:53
schestowitzGoodMar 21 00:53
schestowitzBanning of drugs - hard to justifyMar 21 00:53
MinceR"Pig Brother" :DMar 21 00:53
schestowitzBut we share the same cellMar 21 00:53
schestowitzEarthMar 21 00:53
MinceRand the SwindleMar 21 00:53
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schestowitzHam & cheese http://www.walyou.com/blog/2010/03/20/steve-jobs-cheese-head/Mar 21 00:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Eat Steve Jobs Cheese Head | Walyou .::. Size~: 37.37 KBMar 21 00:54
schestowitzPepperoni for stubbleMar 21 00:54
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schestowitzThe head is filled with cabbageMar 21 00:55
schestowitzBut you can't see it from this photoMar 21 00:55
BalroghrmmMar 21 00:55
Balrogapache accepts the Ms-PLMar 21 00:55
Balroghttp://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.htmlMar 21 00:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ASF Legal Previously Asked Questions - The Apache Software Foundation .::. Size~: 33.47 KBMar 21 00:55
Tim_AKA_GoblinWas reading today that a cloaking device has been created in a lab....Mar 21 00:55
schestowitzNot surprisingMar 21 00:55
schestowitzThey caved long agoMar 21 00:55
schestowitzPJ complained about them Mar 21 00:55
Balrogbut there's a copyleft in Ms-PL, isn't there?Mar 21 00:56
schestowitzMicrosoft also bribed ASFMar 21 00:56
schestowitz$100k per yarMar 21 00:56
schestowitz*year]Mar 21 00:56
schestowitzBalrog: is it new?Mar 21 00:56
schestowitzDid they add it to the page?Mar 21 00:56
Balrognah, same oldMar 21 00:56
Diablo-D3I wish microsoft would bribe me $100k/yrMar 21 00:56
BalrogohhMar 21 00:56
Balrogthat I wouldn't knowMar 21 00:56
Diablo-D3I need to start a software foundationMar 21 00:57
Diablo-D3that uses java heavilyMar 21 00:57
schestowitzDiablo-D3: http://chronicle.com/data/articles.dir/art-44.dir/issue-33.dir/33a03001.htmMar 21 00:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 00:57
schestowitz"If you’re a professor and you mention Microsoft programming tools in a scholarly presentation — in fact, even if you just use the tools — Microsoft will send you a check for $200. "Mar 21 00:57
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Ender2070we'll see what web standards look like in a few years with the shell Jeff Jaffe, microsoft apologist on as leaderMar 21 00:58
Ender2070shill*Mar 21 00:58
MinceRDiablo-D3: you could start with writing a web server :>Mar 21 00:58
Diablo-D3schestowitz: $200 isnt enoughMar 21 00:58
Diablo-D3MinceR: hmm, I could, couldn't I.Mar 21 00:58
MinceR...and having it gain most of the marketMar 21 00:58
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://chronicle.com/data/articles.dir/art-44.dir/issue-33.dir/33a03001.htmMar 21 00:58
Diablo-D3I'll have to name it after a prominent native group tooMar 21 00:58
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/20080110224818/http://chronicle.com/data/articles.dir/art-44.dir/issue-33.dir/33a03001.htmMar 21 00:59
schestowitzIt vanishedMar 21 00:59
Ender2070lol!Mar 21 00:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Internet Archive Wayback Machine .::. Size~: 14.15 KBMar 21 00:59
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - inuit is takenMar 21 00:59
MinceRDiablo-D3: bonus challenge: don't write the web server in java.Mar 21 00:59
Diablo-D3MinceR: but thats where all the performance comes fromMar 21 01:00
Ender2070hahahahahaMar 21 01:00
MinceRfrom not writing it in java? :>Mar 21 01:00
Diablo-D3no, from writing it in javaMar 21 01:00
Diablo-D3java is really fucking fastMar 21 01:00
Ender2070lolMar 21 01:00
Ender2070anyone running azureus will disagreeMar 21 01:01
Sir_Konradsuch as meMar 21 01:02
*MinceR ran azureus onceMar 21 01:02
MinceRthen killed it.Mar 21 01:02
MinceRwith fire.Mar 21 01:02
Diablo-D3az is a pile of shit thoughMar 21 01:02
Diablo-D3dont blame javaMar 21 01:02
MinceR(before it could kill my RAM)Mar 21 01:02
MinceRunrelated >> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/3/19/Mar 21 01:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Penny Arcade! - Subterfuge And Social Media .::. Size~: 6.28 KBMar 21 01:03
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MinceRSIGWITHFIREMar 21 01:03
DaemonFChttp://www.kansascity.com/2010/03/20/1826369/tea-party-protesters-hurl-racial.htmlMar 21 01:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Tea party protesters hurl racial insults at congressmen - KansasCity.com .::. Size~: 79.42 KBMar 21 01:05
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191991/sex_com_sale_halted_by_bankruptcy.html?tk=rss_newsMar 21 01:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sex.com Sale Halted by Bankruptcy - PCWorld .::. Size~: 65.28 KBMar 21 01:06
schestowitzhttp://kasamaproject.org/2010/03/08/jed-brandt-letter-from-kathmandu/Mar 21 01:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jed Brandt: Letter From Kathmandu « Kasama .::. Size~: 141.03 KBMar 21 01:07
Ender2070is it true that Canonical's music store sells mp3's?Mar 21 01:07
schestowitzYEsMar 21 01:07
schestowitzWMA too!!!!Mar 21 01:07
schestowitzIIRCMar 21 01:07
Ender2070holy fuckMar 21 01:07
Ender2070canonical will jump into bed with anyoneMar 21 01:08
schestowitzMinceR: I see why it's funnyMar 21 01:08
schestowitzHe's a theifMar 21 01:08
schestowitzYet he uses the money to get a lousy phoneMar 21 01:09
schestowitzapp crappMar 21 01:09
schestowitzhttp://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1003/S00159.htmMar 21 01:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Scoop: Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ  .::. Size~: 84.09 KBMar 21 01:09
MinceRhe also manages to endanger his own life by compromising his own privacy via social networking :>Mar 21 01:09
Ender2070mincer - lol @ pennyarcadeMar 21 01:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Zealand treats people like sheep now. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1003/S00159.htm Sad.Mar 21 01:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Scoop: Govt internet filter going live is sad day for NZ  .::. Size~: 84.09 KBMar 21 01:11
schestowitz*LOL* Quit a headline http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/18/france-brothel-prostitution-female-mpMar 21 01:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bring back the brothel, says female French MP |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 187.69 KBMar 21 01:12
schestowitz*Quite.Mar 21 01:12
schestowitzNotice how they say "*female* MP"Mar 21 01:12
Ender2070lolMar 21 01:13
schestowitzLike it's OK for women and a sun for menMar 21 01:13
Ender2070"licensed bordellos would protect women from violence"Mar 21 01:13
schestowitzGigolo = good?Mar 21 01:13
Ender2070sounds like AmsterdamMar 21 01:13
schestowitzWhat do you call a female prostitute in English?Mar 21 01:13
schestowitzTramp/whore is just slangMar 21 01:13
Diablo-D3a prostitute, schestowitzMar 21 01:14
Diablo-D3thats the actual word for itMar 21 01:14
schestowitz"lady companion..."Mar 21 01:14
schestowitzDiablo-D3: is that just female?Mar 21 01:14
MinceRgnMar 21 01:14
Diablo-D3schestowitz: technically, but only because men historically arent paid for itMar 21 01:14
Diablo-D3men are the ones who payMar 21 01:14
schestowitzhttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prostituteMar 21 01:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Prostitute - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary .::. Size~: 37.6 KBMar 21 01:15
Diablo-D3yeah, screw the dictionaryMar 21 01:15
schestowitzDiablo-D3: noMar 21 01:15
schestowitzIt's just any genderMar 21 01:15
Diablo-D3theres no real male equivilentMar 21 01:15
Diablo-D3women generally dont want sex for the fun of sex, and when they do, they go about it much differentlyMar 21 01:15
Diablo-D3they want mental stimulationMar 21 01:16
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/18/bluefin-tuna-un-citesMar 21 01:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bluefin tuna fails to make UN's list of protected fish |Environment |The Guardian .::. Size~: 188.79 KBMar 21 01:16
schestowitzWe'll live to see almost all fish becoming extinctMar 21 01:16
Diablo-D3but dont let logic get in your wayMar 21 01:16
schestowitzUnless something changesMar 21 01:16
Diablo-D3schestowitz: wellMar 21 01:16
Diablo-D3if people would stop eating fishMar 21 01:16
Diablo-D3this wouldnt be a problemMar 21 01:16
schestowitzFish is the nw dodoMar 21 01:16
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - you dont know enough whoresMar 21 01:17
Diablo-D3fish are disgusting anyhowMar 21 01:17
*schestowitz eats fish very dayMar 21 01:17
schestowitz[for now]Mar 21 01:17
Diablo-D3I dont know how anyone could eat themMar 21 01:17
Diablo-D3schestowitz: then stop.Mar 21 01:17
Ender2070fish are deliciousMar 21 01:17
schestowitzI can'tMar 21 01:17
Ender2070fuck the UNMar 21 01:17
Diablo-D3Want to destroy the fish industry? Stop eating fish.Mar 21 01:17
Diablo-D3you cant stop? yes you can.Mar 21 01:17
Ender2070im gonna eat more bluefin tunaMar 21 01:17
Diablo-D3no one can make you eat fishMar 21 01:17
schestowitzWhat would I do for protein?Mar 21 01:18
schestowitzI ain't trying those horrid subs?Mar 21 01:18
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - fish are brain food, they are best source of omega 3 fatty acidsMar 21 01:18
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - obviously you arent eating enoughMar 21 01:18
Diablo-D3?Mar 21 01:18
Diablo-D3dude, chicken, beef, LAND MAMMALSMar 21 01:18
schestowitzLike vegan things with proteinMar 21 01:18
MinceRtuna is delicious.Mar 21 01:18
Diablo-D3humans were not meant to be vegitariansMar 21 01:18
Diablo-D3anyone trying to have a vegitarian diet is mentally illMar 21 01:19
schestowitzYes, fish can assist memoryMar 21 01:19
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - cows and chicken dont have omega3 fatty acids unless you feed them flax seeds, which they dontMar 21 01:19
schestowitzMinceR: it isMar 21 01:19
schestowitzBecoming more scarce niwMar 21 01:19
schestowitzThus expensiveMar 21 01:19
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - chickens and cows are fed food specially designed to make them grow bigger and fasterMar 21 01:20
schestowitzBGHMar 21 01:20
schestowitzGives you cancerMar 21 01:20
MinceRwe need sea farmsMar 21 01:20
Ender2070yeahMar 21 01:20
schestowitzIn Florida they use that a lotMar 21 01:20
schestowitzI wouldn't touch the milkMar 21 01:20
MinceRbalance consumption with reproductionMar 21 01:20
Ender2070schestowitz - seen Food Inc ?Mar 21 01:20
Ender2070its much worse than you thinkMar 21 01:20
schestowitzJust the trailerMar 21 01:20
MinceRlike we do with land mammals (as Diablo-D3 put it)Mar 21 01:21
Ender2070theres only a handful of companies that control the meatMar 21 01:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: its difficult to farm fishMar 21 01:21
MinceRit's probably doable thoughMar 21 01:21
Ender2070they ALL take orders from fast food companies for meat preperation tooMar 21 01:21
Diablo-D3many fish species refuse to spawn in captivityMar 21 01:21
MinceRanother thing that has great perspective is vat grown meatMar 21 01:21
schestowitzElectrecute the pongMar 21 01:21
schestowitzThen sweep floor?Mar 21 01:21
Ender2070mcdonalds tells the beef companies what to do, how to raise their cowsMar 21 01:21
MinceRwhich could work with fish meat as well as with mammal meatMar 21 01:21
DaemonFCEnder2070: FatterMar 21 01:21
DaemonFCit makes them fatterMar 21 01:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: who, you?Mar 21 01:22
Ender2070DaemonFC - bigger, fatter FASTERMar 21 01:22
Diablo-D3what we really should be doing is moving our population into spaceMar 21 01:22
Ender2070DaemonFC - so fast it is bad for their healthMar 21 01:22
schestowitzDiablo-D3: start from scratchMar 21 01:22
MinceRDiablo-D3: yeah, we should start with shooting ballmer, gates and jobs into the SunMar 21 01:22
schestowitzSeed some GE life in MarsMar 21 01:22
Ender2070they have chicken ready in weeks instead of monthsMar 21 01:22
Diablo-D3MinceR: actually, gates could easily be brought on board with thisMar 21 01:22
Ender2070anyways i gtgMar 21 01:22
schestowitzLeave some genome of humans aroundMar 21 01:23
MinceRthen terraform a few planetsMar 21 01:23
DaemonFCMinceR: We should feed Ballmer some of that stuffMar 21 01:23
Ender2070check out Food Inc everyoneMar 21 01:23
schestowitz3. wait 1  billion yearsMar 21 01:23
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schestowitz4. Profit! (resurrection)Mar 21 01:23
MinceRDiablo-D3: gates shouldn't be brought on board, his ill-gotten riches should be confiscated and he should be punished.Mar 21 01:23
Diablo-D3MinceR: "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer"Mar 21 01:23
schestowitzFOSS community service?Mar 21 01:24
schestowitzMinceR: we don't need thatMar 21 01:24
schestowitzHe's a bad coderMar 21 01:24
DaemonFCschestowitz: What was the movie where those aliens were going around seeding planets to grow humans then coming back to eat us later?Mar 21 01:24
MinceRi'd prefer to keep my enemies dead, but whatever. :>Mar 21 01:24
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: sounds like a scientology movieMar 21 01:24
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/19/microsoft-incident-gates-code/Mar 21 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Book Excerpt from “Barbarians Led by Bill Gates” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.06 KBMar 21 01:25
schestowitz'Mar 21 01:25
schestowitzAfter Gates left, Whitten walked into Eller’s office. He had heard the entire conversation.Mar 21 01:25
schestowitz“Do you know who wrote the original flood-fill algorithm?” he said, shaking his head.Mar 21 01:25
schestowitz“Ahhh, nope,” Eller replied. “I don’t believe I do.” Whitten paused, rubbed his finger on his left temple, and shook his head again.Mar 21 01:25
schestowitz“Bill wrote it,” he said. “Bill was the jerk who wrote this brain-dead piece of shit.” Mar 21 01:25
schestowitz'Mar 21 01:25
schestowitzDiablo-D3: sounds like Intellectual Ventures ratherMar 21 01:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/google-free-on2-vp8-for-youtube/Mar 21 01:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open letter to Google: free VP8, and use it on YouTube &mdash; Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 32.08 KBMar 21 01:27
schestowitzGoogle is deafMar 21 01:27
schestowitz0xDEAFBEEFMar 21 01:28
Diablo-D3google burgersMar 21 01:28
Diablo-D3om nom nomMar 21 01:28
schestowitzThings crawl in themMar 21 01:28
MinceRspidersMar 21 01:29
schestowitzquick! rel=nofollow"|Mar 21 01:29
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Tim_AKA_GoblinSmoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.Mar 21 01:37
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schestowitzShots: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-10-04-LTS-Beta-1-Out-for-Testing-137807.shtmlMar 21 01:47
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schestowitzgnMar 21 01:47
schestowitzhttp://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/Mar 21 01:47
RobertParrgas engines kill kittens.Mar 21 02:09
RobertParrbut electric cars kill baby hamsters.Mar 21 02:10
RobertParrso anyway we lose.Mar 21 02:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good to see more Python Snippets, but we need more - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PythonSnippets - it is a great contrib to help new coders!Mar 21 02:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Alright Internet friends, I am done for the evening. Have a great weekend, see you later. :-)Mar 21 02:16
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Another Android running iPad killer: the WePad 12" slate http://ur1.ca/qtah !linuxMar 21 02:32
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Chips_B_MalroyHey all, is Ender still up?Mar 21 04:15
Chips_B_MalroyEnder, you might like this one:  http://www.japaninc.com/article.php?articleID=90Mar 21 04:16
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Chips_B_Malroyits about Lumpys company that he works forMar 21 04:16
Chips_B_Malroyjust basic information is allMar 21 04:17
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ender2070did you guys know Eric Schmidt from Google used to be ceo of Novell?Mar 21 04:35
ender2070i wonder if thats where they got the bad blood fromMar 21 04:36
ender2070http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/040507-nine-things-about-novell.html?page=2Mar 21 04:36
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ender2070http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&ei=Etx3SeDAMIS4-QHTs-i2BQ&q=Reece+commissionMar 21 04:52
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ender2070http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259030/Tony-Blairs-secret-dealings-South-Korean-oil-firm-UI-Energy-Corp.htmlMar 21 04:54
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ender2070http://www.cfr.org/about/corporate/corporate_benefits.htmlMar 21 04:56
ender2070$60,000 gets u dinner with world leadersMar 21 04:57
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ender2070"Invitations for senior executives to attend two to three small, private events with world leaders"Mar 21 04:57
ender2070http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/To-save-itself-Detroit-plans-to-shrink/articleshow/5665326.cmsMar 21 05:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: To save itself, Detroit plans to shrink - US - World - The Times of India .::. Size~: 51.99 KBMar 21 05:00
ender2070Part of UN Agenda 21Mar 21 05:00
ender2070lol. more dailyfail but this one is funnyMar 21 05:02
ender2070http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1258905/Moscow-British-troops-march-Red-Square-Stalin-portrait.htmlMar 21 05:02
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ender2070http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1107696/david_rockefeller_speaks_about_population_control/Mar 21 05:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] MPs targeted in undercover sting over cash for influence | Politics | The Observer http://tinyurl.com/y92qz6dMar 21 05:04
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ender2070http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/obama-surrenders-gulf-oil-to-moscow/Mar 21 05:06
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ender2070http://www.rodale.com/phthalate-plasticizers?cm_mmc=DailyNewsNL-_-2010_03_16-_-Top5-_-NAMar 21 06:19
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ender2070sterility and now stupidityMar 21 06:19
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] is attending a meeting in #fedora-india and discussing about "FUDCon in india"Mar 21 06:22
ender2070http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/Pubs/Display.Cfm?pubID=890Mar 21 06:30
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ender2070http://oldthinkernews.com/Articles/oldthinker%20news/New%20MoD%20Strategic%20Report%20Extends%20Vision%20to%202040.htmMar 21 06:30
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ender2070hmmMar 21 06:31
ender2070In an interview with the Seattle Times, UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon was asked, "Some say the emergence of super rich philanthropies like the Gates Foundation has undermined the effectiveness of the U.N. and its member organizations, like the WHO." Moon responded,Mar 21 06:33
ender2070"On the contrary that is what we really want -- contributions from the business community as well as philanthropies. We need to have political support, but it doesn't give us all that we need. NGOs and philanthropies and many foundations such as Bill Gates Foundation -- they're taking a very important role..."Mar 21 06:33
ender2070http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebusinessofgiving/2010141457_on_saturday_they_tried_somethi.htmlMar 21 06:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @h4ck3rm1k3: http://code.google.com/p/gisgraphy/ gisgraphy queries Geonames and OpenStreetMapMar 21 06:52
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schestowitzIIRC, Ban Ki-moon is the one who hans out in BillG's mansionMar 21 07:22
schestowitzWhen he says "that is what we really want" I wonder what he means by "we"Mar 21 07:23
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schestowitzSJVN's article passed around too much without attrib. CrossOver Linux 9 review < http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/index.cfm?ReviewID=3217660 >Mar 21 07:50
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schestowitzhttp://thelinuxexperiment.com/guinea-pigs/jon-f/empathy-what-a-piece-of-garbage/Mar 21 07:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @saintpaul007 @BlackSunGazette Mother lost 3 children in #Detroit fire after utilities shut off, endured witch-hunt http://bit.ly/b3Q7SiMar 21 08:00
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schestowitzhttp://techcrunch.com/2010/03/20/firefox-windows-phone-7/Mar 21 08:01
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schestowitz'He then proceeds to make fun of Windows Phone 7 Series, the iPhone, Cocoa Touch, and Unix — all in three concise paragraphs. He notes that Windows Phone 7 Series has a “busted” UI, calls the iPhone’s UI “ugly jelly beans,” and mocks the “allegedly cool” Cocoa Touch “stuff.”'Mar 21 08:01
schestowitzEwww...Mar 21 08:01
schestowitzWTF? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43883#comment-13190Mar 21 08:20
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Diablo-D3manMar 21 08:23
Diablo-D3Im waiting for Mar 21 08:23
Diablo-D3appleMar 21 08:23
Diablo-D3to sueMar 21 08:23
Diablo-D3general millsMar 21 08:24
Diablo-D3overMar 21 08:24
Diablo-D3cocoa puffsMar 21 08:24
cubezzzbahahahaMar 21 08:24
cubezzzthat was funnyMar 21 08:24
cubezzzso they brain wash kids in University now?Mar 21 08:24
cubezzzthe whole DRM thing is amusingMar 21 08:25
Diablo-D3brain wash kidsMar 21 08:25
Diablo-D3dudeMar 21 08:25
Diablo-D3that implies they HAVE brains to wash!Mar 21 08:25
cubezzzor just use them at allMar 21 08:26
cubezzzrather than simply following instructionMar 21 08:26
cubezzzthe whole DRM/Lock-in thing is grossMar 21 08:28
cubezzzto suggest one can't copy a codec, well....Mar 21 08:28
cubezzzthat's just wrongMar 21 08:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Right Click - "Add to Playlist in vlc" http://post.ly/UJZDMar 21 08:29
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Diablo-D3cubezzz: well the problem isMar 21 08:29
Diablo-D3my generation is lazyMar 21 08:29
Diablo-D3so if pirating something is massively easier than owning itMar 21 08:29
Diablo-D3then they will pirate itMar 21 08:29
cubezzzbut that guy was suggesting that we can't run windows codecs under Linux Mar 21 08:30
Diablo-D3I cantMar 21 08:30
Diablo-D3mplayer doesnt support 32bit codecs under 64bit yetMar 21 08:31
cubezzzuhMar 21 08:31
cubezzzokMar 21 08:31
cubezzzyou don't have any 32 bit machines?Mar 21 08:31
Diablo-D3why would I?Mar 21 08:31
Diablo-D3thats old shit, dudeMar 21 08:31
Diablo-D3thankfully, nothing uses codecs like thatMar 21 08:32
Diablo-D3seriously, Ive never seen something encoded in a codec I cant playMar 21 08:32
Diablo-D3h264? mpeg4? mpeg2? wmv? ffmpeg does it allMar 21 08:32
cubezzzDiablo-D3, so what motheboard/cpu are you using now?Mar 21 08:40
cubezzzI don't think there's 64 bit ARM cpus actuallyMar 21 08:41
Diablo-D3Im not on ARMMar 21 08:46
Diablo-D3alsoMar 21 08:46
Diablo-D3windows is not on ARMMar 21 08:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Working on Python Snippets docs.Mar 21 09:11
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oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture  cubezzz read down to neon support.Mar 21 09:13
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHCz71ci9CcMar 21 09:15
cubezzzthe fact windows is not on ARM pleases me to no endMar 21 09:15
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Is someone stealing your ideas? Let them http://blogs.bnet.com/career-advice/?p=387&tag=nl.e713 #insightful /via @rsukumarMar 21 09:17
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oiaohmhttp://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WVI/is_2001_Feb_5/ai_70333884/ Neon is not exactly new. cubezzzMar 21 09:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ARM puts density first for 64bit core | Electronics Times | Find Articles at BNET .::. Size~: 61.97 KBMar 21 09:18
cubezzzhmmmMar 21 09:19
cubezzzwhere can I buy it?Mar 21 09:19
Diablo-D3neon isnt 64bitMar 21 09:20
Diablo-D3where can you buy what?Mar 21 09:20
cubezzzARM NeonMar 21 09:20
Diablo-D3uhMar 21 09:20
Diablo-D3its not a processor dudeMar 21 09:20
Diablo-D3neon is a simd languageMar 21 09:20
cubezzzI seeMar 21 09:21
Diablo-D3its on any ARM cpu that advertises it has itMar 21 09:21
oiaohmNeon extention allows arm to do most of the 64 bit you need for most things.    There is not really a big need for more than 4 gb of directly allocatable memory or 32 gb doing by PAE. Mar 21 09:24
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] FDCServers is the worst DC ever, don't do business with them http://ub3r.net/fdc/ #douchebagsMar 21 09:27
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cubezzzwell at least they got a fan blowing in there :)Mar 21 09:31
cubezzzthat should keep those hundreds of computers nice and coolMar 21 09:31
cubezzza cardboard box instead of a case? :)Mar 21 09:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Reasons mythtv annoys me: I wake up to find all my recorded programs gone. Lovely, thanks MythTV.Mar 21 09:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Updated the Python Snippets HOWTO at http://is.gd/aRlwU - go and contribute snippets, folks! #pythonMar 21 09:45
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schestowitzThis is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOgMar 21 09:56
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schestowitzThis is a good channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54Mar 21 09:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Going through all the python-snippets PyGTK snippets and adding docs links to use the new feature in Acire #pythonMar 21 10:06
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schestowitzVery professional channel... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQk6MveZOEMar 21 10:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] OK, headed to bed, will finishing updating the PyGTK snippets tomorrow. Night, all!Mar 21 10:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mum just phoned me to say she's playing solitaire and is very happy. :DMar 21 10:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Resurrection of a dead article about #Microsoft corrupting academia http://ur1.ca/qv6p #bribe #historyMar 21 10:55
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schestowitz"they start much younger than professors now http://techcrunch.com/2009/10/30/microsoft-tortures-littles-kids-with-bing-jingle/"Mar 21 11:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Customers who buy new PCs choose Web browsers other than Internet Explorer http://ur1.ca/qvaz #gnu #linuxMar 21 11:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Are Proprietary Software Users Too Dangerous for Copying and Pasting? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/21/dumbed-down-tablets-or-phones/Mar 21 12:35
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schestowitzbblMar 21 12:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] An excellent, balanced report ¨Linux on the Desktop, Lessons from mainstream business adoption": http://tinyurl.com/qrscgbMar 21 14:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Volgens de Gaykrant is een paars kabinet, met GroenLinks er in een reële mogelijkheid. http://tinyurl.com/y8lbymbMar 21 14:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Ik moet even wennen aan het idee, dat "mijn" partij, niet meer in de oppositie zit, maar ik krijg nu wel hele positieve gedachten...Mar 21 14:51
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Omar87Hi all.Mar 21 15:47
schestowitzHmmmmm... so Phipps was fired. http://www.twit.tv/floss113Mar 21 15:48
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schestowitzMade redundantMar 21 15:48
Omar87schestowitz, who's Phipps?Mar 21 15:54
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 5 stages of programmer incompetence: http://coderoom.wordpress.com/2010/03/19/5-stages-of-programmer-incompetence/ /via @omniprasanMar 21 16:27
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DaemonFCDoes anyone know of a site I can order some Amoxicillin from without a prescription?Mar 21 16:32
DaemonFCI'm dying hereMar 21 16:33
neighborleeDaemonFC: ask your mom to take you to the doctorMar 21 16:33
DaemonFCwtf?Mar 21 16:34
DaemonFCIt's not that I'm NOT going to the doctor, it's that he won't see me until TuesdayMar 21 16:34
neighborleegoto the ER thenMar 21 16:34
neighborleeif you have insurance its no biggie..if you dont they can't  refuse youMar 21 16:35
DaemonFCheh, there we go, $2,000 Amoxicillin prescriptionMar 21 16:35
neighborleeok then sufferMar 21 16:35
neighborleeDaemonFC: or what about those quick clinic things...those are very cheap,,you could call ahead to verify they can help you,,if they can't well if you want out of pain before tuesday, ER might be the only option..are you in enough pain to warrant a $2000 prescription ? :)Mar 21 16:37
neighborleelatreMar 21 16:38
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_goblinGood afternoon all.Mar 21 16:45
_goblinGood grief, SkyHD is good.Mar 21 16:46
_goblina frightfully charming episode of Smackdown in glorious HD.....jolly good show.Mar 21 16:46
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schestowitzOmar87: click on the link and learnMar 21 16:49
_goblin?Mar 21 16:49
_goblinlearn what?Mar 21 16:49
schestowitzAbout PhippsMar 21 16:51
schestowitzOmar87 is not familiar w/ hjimMar 21 16:51
schestowitzHe could also look it up, e.g. WikipediaMar 21 16:52
schestowitzThere's no short answer to his questionMar 21 16:52
schestowitzAnd I can't give a very accurate answer, eitherMar 21 16:52
_goblinahMar 21 16:56
_goblinSamsung Galaxy arrives tomorrow...allegedly.Mar 21 16:56
DaemonFCI don't think I've drank this much hot tea in yearsMar 21 16:58
DaemonFCheh, Verizon is bragging about their "family locater" spyware running almost anywhereMar 21 17:00
DaemonFCI don't agree with most of this health care bill, but of all the thing to get hung up on they choose abortion?Mar 21 17:02
DaemonFCThe Senate bill already requires the insured to pay for it with their own moneyMar 21 17:03
DaemonFCwhere is the abortion at taxpayer expense problem?Mar 21 17:03
DaemonFCschestowitz:  http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Indiana-Ku-Klux-Klan-leader-gets-out-of-jury-duty-412902.phpMar 21 17:09
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*DaemonFC facepalmsMar 21 17:09
DaemonFChttp://www.hotindienews.com/2010/03/09/1020264Mar 21 17:14
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neighborleeDaemonFC: don't agree with 'most' of health care bill, is like saying you hope people get sick and die, because that is the net effect of your statementMar 21 17:16
DaemonFCnot reallyMar 21 17:17
neighborleewell then specify what your in disagreement withMar 21 17:18
DaemonFCI don't agree with throwing money at private insurers who shower themselves with billions in bonus moneyMar 21 17:18
DaemonFCor forcing people to buy into itMar 21 17:18
DaemonFCI think that at least that much could be struck down on Constitutional basisMar 21 17:18
DaemonFCfreedom of association mostlyMar 21 17:19
neighborleethen figure out how to insure everyone without a pool of money...Mar 21 17:19
DaemonFCput the money into MedicareMar 21 17:19
neighborleeLOLMar 21 17:19
DaemonFCexpand Medicare to cover everyoneMar 21 17:19
neighborleeshot down early onMar 21 17:19
neighborleeLOLMar 21 17:19
neighborleesingle payer lost out very early in this whole debateMar 21 17:19
DaemonFCjust because the good plan was shot down doesn't mean we should go with the Public Looting oneMar 21 17:19
DaemonFCprivate insurance always takes in much more than it pays outMar 21 17:20
neighborleecar insurance is mandated isn't it  ? ;)Mar 21 17:20
DaemonFCnoMar 21 17:20
neighborleedont see you screaming abou that atmMar 21 17:20
neighborleeyes, it isMar 21 17:20
DaemonFCno it's notMar 21 17:20
neighborleetry going without it, and getting into a car accident.Mar 21 17:20
DaemonFC1. You don't have to own a car, in which case you don't have to buy it.Mar 21 17:21
DaemonFC2. It's not a federal law that you have to buy itMar 21 17:21
neighborlee1 is sillly..2 is only a per state issueMar 21 17:21
DaemonFCcar insurance is not the same thing because you don't have to buy it and the state telling car owners to buy it is not unconstitutionalMar 21 17:21
DaemonFCthat is a power reserved to the statesMar 21 17:22
DaemonFCthe Constitution does not give that power to the federal governmentMar 21 17:22
neighborleeit doesn't change the fact, that in most states you have to carry it ;)Mar 21 17:22
neighborleeso my point standsMar 21 17:22
DaemonFCno it doesn'tMar 21 17:22
DaemonFCThe federal government's health insurance mandate is unconstitutionalMar 21 17:22
DaemonFCand should be struck downMar 21 17:22
neighborleehaving a car and no insurance, is a license to killl with impunityMar 21 17:24
DaemonFCyeah, but there's no federal law that mandates car insuranceMar 21 17:24
DaemonFCbecause that would be unconstitutionalMar 21 17:24
DaemonFCyou don't understand "Separation of Powers" or the Tenth Amendment?Mar 21 17:24
neighborleeyour missing the point,but thats ok ;)Mar 21 17:25
neighborleepoint is more in a pool, brings cost down for everyoneMar 21 17:25
DaemonFC"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."Mar 21 17:25
neighborleeat least in a capitalistic society ;)Mar 21 17:25
DaemonFCthe First Amendment also gives you the freedom of associationMar 21 17:26
DaemonFCand forbids the federal government from interfering with itMar 21 17:26
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @abbe: #fortune: a man's first step in the world of recursion starts from the barber's shop...Mar 21 17:27
neighborleeI suppose you think its ok for insurance companies to run amok and  try to swindle people out of covering pre-existing conditions ?Mar 21 17:27
neighborleeor c-section delivery ?Mar 21 17:28
DaemonFC"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."Mar 21 17:28
neighborleeet cetera ?Mar 21 17:28
DaemonFCin the Ninth AmendmentMar 21 17:28
neighborleeI am not in love with everything that has gone on in this health care debate..but its    obvious we need a massive overhaul of this messMar 21 17:29
neighborleewe are the oNLY industrialized nation , without it you know.Mar 21 17:29
neighborleehow embarrasing is that ?Mar 21 17:29
DaemonFCI don't have to buy health insurance from a private companyMar 21 17:29
DaemonFCI won't be doing so eitherMar 21 17:29
DaemonFCand I will not pay penaltiesMar 21 17:29
DaemonFCthis will end up in the Supreme Court when they try to dick everyone aroundMar 21 17:30
neighborleehell , even japan as bette care than we do, and we 've been a 'nation' just as long as they have..whats our excuse ??Mar 21 17:30
neighborlee......................has betterMar 21 17:30
DaemonFCdoesn't matterMar 21 17:30
neighborleeof course not ;)Mar 21 17:30
neighborleelet people get sick and DIE right ;)Mar 21 17:30
DaemonFCthe Federal government has no legal grounds to make me buy anything from a private companyMar 21 17:30
neighborleeless over population :)Mar 21 17:31
DaemonFCI have the right to refuseMar 21 17:31
DaemonFCThis isn't about universal coverageMar 21 17:31
neighborleethere are alot of problems in this billl, but we definitely need something, and fastMar 21 17:31
DaemonFCit's about a smash and grabMar 21 17:31
DaemonFCfor the insurance cartelMar 21 17:31
neighborleeyes I know about thatMar 21 17:32
DaemonFCthe Feds are seizing the peoples money and giving it to private corporations, by forceMar 21 17:32
DaemonFCand it can't be allowedMar 21 17:32
neighborleewell good luck stopping itMar 21 17:32
DaemonFCIt'll be stoppedMar 21 17:32
neighborleeby whyoMar 21 17:32
neighborleeby whoMar 21 17:32
DaemonFCeven if the Democrats ram it through Congress, the Supreme Court still has the right to declare the act unconstitutionalMar 21 17:33
DaemonFCin part or in fullMar 21 17:33
neighborleeLOLMar 21 17:33
DaemonFCThere's not enough Democrat lapdogs on the court to uphold thisMar 21 17:33
neighborleeyou mean the court that is going to allow corporations and foreign entities to have large stakes in our election process ?Mar 21 17:33
neighborleeBE careful what you WISH for ;))))Mar 21 17:34
DaemonFCThis is like a train robberyMar 21 17:34
DaemonFCand you'd rooting for the guys with the masks and gunsMar 21 17:34
DaemonFC*you'reMar 21 17:34
neighborleeyeah, the same ones that feined outrage when obama called them out for their shoddy attempt at supreme court governance ;)Mar 21 17:34
DaemonFCeven while they're telling you to throw your wallet and watch in the bagMar 21 17:35
neighborleenot so muchMar 21 17:35
neighborleeim seeing that this might be a arguement that the perfect is the enemy of the goodMar 21 17:35
DaemonFCnoMar 21 17:35
neighborleeyesMar 21 17:35
DaemonFCThe good is the enemy of the toxic wasteMar 21 17:35
DaemonFCeven the the bad we have now is preferable to the toxic waste billMar 21 17:36
neighborleethe trouble  isMar 21 17:36
neighborleeif we dont pass something...Mar 21 17:36
neighborleeyou know that if republicans get in power again..its all overMar 21 17:36
neighborleethey had several decades to do SOMEthing, and we got squat babyMar 21 17:37
DaemonFCI'd rather it be all over than it pass as-isMar 21 17:37
DaemonFCthis is not going to make things more affordable for anyoneMar 21 17:37
neighborleeshow me the numbersMar 21 17:37
DaemonFCThose federal subsidies for people come right out of your income taxesMar 21 17:37
DaemonFCthen you have to pay premiums tooMar 21 17:37
DaemonFCand co-paysMar 21 17:37
neighborleeits not free yet..so yeah so what tell me more ;)Mar 21 17:37
DaemonFCand then a full 20% of that money goes to waste, fraud, and abuseMar 21 17:38
neighborleewe aren't in a utopian society,,so yeah we all pay,, no doubt ;)Mar 21 17:38
neighborleeshock ;)Mar 21 17:38
DaemonFCMedicare only really has a 1% overhead in itselfMar 21 17:38
DaemonFCit doesn't fight the patient over needed careMar 21 17:38
DaemonFCObamacare companies will keep doing thatMar 21 17:38
DaemonFCthey'll argue anything that costs them money isn't reasonable or appropriateMar 21 17:39
DaemonFCor they'll just seize the extra money from the tax payersMar 21 17:39
neighborleewell we shall see what happens in the vote coming upMar 21 17:39
DaemonFCneighborlee: Have you even studied Medicare "Advantage" and what a disaster it is?Mar 21 17:40
neighborleeit still has to go to senate.and then back to house depending on what senate doesMar 21 17:40
DaemonFCsame thing Obama is trying to get done in this billMar 21 17:40
DaemonFCorgy of wasteful spendingMar 21 17:40
neighborleeI know of advantage yesMar 21 17:40
DaemonFCso you know that it's basically privatized Medicare that costs the government more, establishes doctors and hospitals you can't go to, and fights the patient over claimsMar 21 17:41
DaemonFCright?Mar 21 17:41
neighborleeof course there are things im not happy about in this legislation...but if it passes at least some people will have coverage, than up until now insurance companies have been able to exclude from deserving patientsMar 21 17:41
neighborleeso its a choice of two evils possibly....imagine thatMar 21 17:42
DaemonFCOriginal Medicare costs less, doesn't fight the patient, and doesn't establish "networks"Mar 21 17:42
DaemonFCMy grandmother dropped out of "advantage" because of being dicked aroundMar 21 17:42
neighborleeor we go with this..and work to ,make it better over time,,with ammendments etc.Mar 21 17:42
neighborleeor so the story goes ;)Mar 21 17:42
DaemonFCby that Humana company'Mar 21 17:42
neighborleewhat kind of dicked around do you meanMar 21 17:42
neighborleeyes but it doesn't cover everything..thats where advantage comes into play or so I'm told by news coverage..ive not looked into it DEEPly thoughMar 21 17:43
DaemonFCfighting her claims, fucking up her prescription refills (late deliveries, forgetting to send them, etc.), networks of doctors and hospitals they'd pay, lots of out of network ones she couldn't go toMar 21 17:43
DaemonFCand they cost moreMar 21 17:43
DaemonFCwrong, see that's the thingMar 21 17:44
neighborleeso your sayingMar 21 17:44
neighborleethat our health care is in need of fixing ? ;)(Mar 21 17:44
neighborleeshockMar 21 17:44
DaemonFCOriginal Medicare + Part D has the same things as an Advantage plan without the hair pullingMar 21 17:44
neighborleewhat should we do about it ?Mar 21 17:44
Omar87Guys.. just a couple days ago, I found the ultimate proof that OpenOffice.Org is much much much more better than Microsoft Office.Mar 21 17:44
neighborleewait for the party of NO to get in power and never talk about it again ??Mar 21 17:44
neighborleethats head in sand arguementMar 21 17:45
DaemonFCin fact, your hostpial stays could cost more if you get Advantage, because they may charge an arbitrary rate per day you're in thereMar 21 17:45
neighborleeOmar87: besides being free,,what else ;))Mar 21 17:45
DaemonFCMedicare pays 87% of the billMar 21 17:45
Omar87neighborlee, lol! You won't believe it. :)Mar 21 17:45
neighborleeok ;)Mar 21 17:45
Omar87neighborlee, OpenOffice supports, .doc files, MS Office 2007 doesn't. :PMar 21 17:46
neighborleeDaemonFC: point is republicans have had AGES to fix this nonsense..and they did not...how much more time shall we give beffore another 30,000 people die needlesslyMar 21 17:46
DaemonFCneighborlee: Quick question. You're in the hospital for 10 days, we'll say each day was about $4,000, ok? Would you rather pay $500 a day or 13% of the bill?Mar 21 17:46
neighborleea goverment take over of health care..like johnson pass of medicare...yeah ..horrrrrrrribleMar 21 17:47
neighborleesilly talking pointsMar 21 17:47
neighborleewhen lives are at stake.Mar 21 17:47
neighborleereal moralMar 21 17:47
neighborleeobama isnt without sin thoughMar 21 17:47
neighborleeand I did vote for him..but he's turned into a bit of a liarMar 21 17:48
neighborleeyeah, a liarMar 21 17:48
DaemonFC$5,000 with the Advantage plan, or $5,200 with Medicare. But, you also get to pay another $40 a month to be in Advantage and get to argue with the insurance company.Mar 21 17:48
DaemonFCI'd rather just be responsible for the $5,200Mar 21 17:48
Omar87neighborlee, Obama is a walking lump of sins, what are you talking about?Mar 21 17:48
neighborleehe did campaign on public option.then lied about it laterMar 21 17:48
neighborleeits on record, you can google itMar 21 17:48
DaemonFCyeah, see, now there's nothing, at all, to keep the private insurers honestMar 21 17:48
neighborleesad,oh so sad, but quite true.Mar 21 17:48
DaemonFCthey crippled the bill to squeeze more money from me and theeMar 21 17:49
neighborleeso while I think we need health care to pass..I dont LIKE all the business as usual that has gone onMar 21 17:49
neighborleewe desperately need public option/single payer system..but we wont get itMar 21 17:50
DaemonFCneighborlee: And what about the sweetheart deals to fully fund Louisiana and Nebraska's Medicaid obligations at our expense?Mar 21 17:50
neighborleewhy..because of special interests etc.Mar 21 17:50
DaemonFCDo you really thing those are going away?Mar 21 17:50
Omar87Hey guys! Is Jack Wallen drunk or what? http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1412Mar 21 17:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 79.88 KBMar 21 17:50
neighborleeDaemonFC: yes some of them already have goneMar 21 17:50
neighborleefaik, they wont all goMar 21 17:50
Omar87Hi wants Outlook to get ported to Linux!! :DMar 21 17:50
neighborleeewwwwwMar 21 17:50
DaemonFCOmar87: EvolutionMar 21 17:50
Omar87What a four-eyed idiot. :PMar 21 17:51
DaemonFCOmar87: Outlook Express already was ported to UNIXMar 21 17:51
DaemonFCdiscontinuedMar 21 17:51
DaemonFCit'll still run on OpenSolarisMar 21 17:51
neighborleeOmar87: lol about doc files..Mar 21 17:51
Omar87DaemonFC, but do we even really need it??Mar 21 17:51
Omar87Thunderbird has outperformed Outlook a loooooong time ago, imho. -_-Mar 21 17:52
neighborleeyeah i'd never use anything M$ puts out if I can find alternatives...Mar 21 17:53
Omar87DaemonFC: Dude, Jack Wallen is really running out of mental processing capabilities.Mar 21 17:53
neighborleewe should all just let this dain thing pass..and concentrate on saving dolphins in japan ,,I was SICKENED seeing 'the cove'Mar 21 17:54
Omar87He's been yapping nothing but horse shit for the past few months.Mar 21 17:54
neighborleejack wallen ?Mar 21 17:55
Omar87neighborlee, yes.Mar 21 17:55
Omar87neighborlee, he wants to see OutLook ported to Linux. :PMar 21 17:55
neighborleeo_0Mar 21 17:55
neighborleeI see nothing special about outlook, that we dont already have Mar 21 17:56
neighborleeand that which is crossplatform :)Mar 21 17:56
neighborleenext ;)Mar 21 17:56
neighborleeI know windows friends that wont go anywhere near itMar 21 17:56
Omar87neighborlee, Jack Wallen is that moron at Techrepublic who's supposed to be an "Open Source expert".Mar 21 17:56
neighborleeahMar 21 17:57
Omar87kkkkkkMar 21 17:57
Omar87ah, that was a mistake.Mar 21 17:57
neighborleek :)Mar 21 17:57
neighborleelolMar 21 17:57
Omar87lolMar 21 17:57
neighborleefeels good to laugh at times like this ;)Mar 21 17:58
neighborleethanks!! ;)Mar 21 17:58
neighborleehey..10 minutes to go for the VOTE :))Mar 21 17:58
Omar87neighborlee, anytime. ;)Mar 21 17:58
Omar87neighborlee, what vote?Mar 21 17:58
neighborleehonestly..im NOT happy about current bill  not having public option..but I do worry if we dont pass something..how long is it going to take before we start over to get something else going ?Mar 21 17:58
neighborleeand who is going to die along the way as a result ?Mar 21 17:59
neighborleeOmar87:health care up or down vote in the houseMar 21 17:59
neighborleelike I said earlierMar 21 18:00
neighborleewe are the oNLY industrialzied nation left withOUt health care for allMar 21 18:00
neighborleego us!!Mar 21 18:00
neighborlee<not>Mar 21 18:00
neighborleearen't we amazing, that we care so little for our citizensMar 21 18:00
neighborleeyayMar 21 18:00
neighborleeo_0Mar 21 18:00
Omar87neighborlee, I see. Health care is problematic here as well.Mar 21 18:01
neighborleegoing to check on pulse of that vote...I really do have mixed emotions on this, but if we wait, I dont know if its going to get through before republicans get control, and then forget itMar 21 18:02
neighborleeOmar87: yeah,,everyone is suffering with costs...Mar 21 18:02
Omar87neighborlee, true.Mar 21 18:02
neighborleeOmar87: so much for the effectiveness and morally of a capitalistic planet ;)Mar 21 18:02
Omar87neighborlee, I totally agree.Mar 21 18:02
neighborleeerr: morally/moralityMar 21 18:02
neighborleebrbMar 21 18:02
Omar87neighborlee, tytMar 21 18:02
schestowitzMinceR: Jack Wallen is "pragmatist"Mar 21 18:07
Omar87schestowitz, you meant that to me?Mar 21 18:07
schestowitzYes, I didMar 21 18:07
schestowitzhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Facebook-Soaring-in-Search-Popularity-Researchers-Say-295314/ Good news for the spies among usMar 21 18:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Facebook Soaring in Search, Popularity, Researchers Say - Search Engines from eWeek .::. Size~: 109.13 KBMar 21 18:08
schestowitz:-(Mar 21 18:08
schestowitzHow fast it grewMar 21 18:08
schestowitzhttp://msdynamicsworld.com/story/dynamics-ax/underlying-strategy-guiding-integration-cloud-services-microsoft-dynamics-erp 'He further characterizes Microsoft's bet on the cloud as "all in."'Mar 21 18:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Underlying Strategy Guiding Integration of Cloud Services with Microsoft Dynamics ERP | MSDynamicsWorld.com .::. Size~: 24.99 KBMar 21 18:09
schestowitz"Give us all yo' data!"Mar 21 18:09
schestowitzHardware/software/cloud lockin are dangerousMar 21 18:09
schestowitzGoogle has cloud lockinMar 21 18:10
schestowitzMicrosoft softwareMar 21 18:10
schestowitzIBM hardware (like mainframes)Mar 21 18:10
schestowitzPeople don't understand why they must stick with FOSSMar 21 18:10
schestowitzThe message isn't amplified by PR people pretending to be "journalists"Mar 21 18:10
schestowitz60% of news is said to be PR, some source saidMar 21 18:10
Omar87schestowitz: Actually, talking about porting Outlook to Linux proves that Jack Wallen's awareness of what is at stake is just like my mother's awareness of who's the current WWE heavyweight champion, imho. -_-Mar 21 18:10
schestowitzThose numbers mean nothing by their own right, but they represent a trendMar 21 18:10
schestowitzOmar87: don't attack WallenMar 21 18:11
schestowitzPleaseMar 21 18:11
schestowitzI got some mails about him tooMar 21 18:11
schestowitzOverall, he's beneficial to FOSSMar 21 18:11
schestowitzSome people slam him based on one article, like this one where he defends blobsMar 21 18:11
schestowitzCause he wants Linux to spreadMar 21 18:11
Omar87schestowitz, I'm not attacking him. I just think he's kinda naive.Mar 21 18:11
schestowitzIt's not about Linux, IMHOMar 21 18:11
schestowitzI used to think it wasMar 21 18:11
schestowitzBut that would be like promoting AppleMar 21 18:12
schestowitzOr "Mac"Mar 21 18:12
schestowitzShilling for Jobs to get richer and more powerfulMar 21 18:12
schestowitzWe need to reform by idealogyMar 21 18:12
schestowitzNot brandsMar 21 18:12
schestowitzWe don't need another MicrosoftMar 21 18:12
Omar87schestowitz, that's correct.Mar 21 18:12
schestowitzWe would have that currently, based on where people want to goMar 21 18:12
schestowitzThey look up to Apple and Google for savoursMar 21 18:13
schestowitzSome in Linux world look up to IBMMar 21 18:13
schestowitzIBM used to be the Big Brother CricodileMar 21 18:13
schestowitzThey still have strong grip in some areasMar 21 18:13
schestowitzAnd they support swpatsMar 21 18:13
schestowitzWe need to abolish thoseMar 21 18:13
Omar87schestowitz, I also believe that Linux is merely a tool, just like Windows. But what is really significant is the ideological factor behind the Linux kernel.Mar 21 18:13
schestowitzThen, the bad culture will go awayMar 21 18:13
schestowitzBut we have no political/legal cloutMar 21 18:13
schestowitzThey run the systemMar 21 18:13
schestowitzIt's like the ACT cabalMar 21 18:14
schestowitzShowing its face in 3-strike, DEB, etc.Mar 21 18:14
schestowitz*ACTAMar 21 18:14
schestowitzOmar87: Linux is good for developersMar 21 18:14
schestowitzOr FOSSMar 21 18:14
schestowitzIt's for them to work withMar 21 18:14
schestowitzNot to be a GUESTMar 21 18:14
schestowitzMy brother dual-bootsMar 21 18:15
schestowitzHe knows that programming can only happen on LinuxMar 21 18:15
schestowitzFacebook, Google, Yahoo (BSD), Intel...Mar 21 18:15
schestowitzThey don't use WindowsMar 21 18:15
schestowitzEven GE's engineers use Linux now (SUSE)Mar 21 18:15
DaemonFChttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PlJTNgrwPpY/S6ZJnuJTHfI/AAAAAAAAD14/OZtXSKi40ls/s320/teapartypic.jpgMar 21 18:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 18:15
Omar87schestowitz, True.Mar 21 18:15
DaemonFCThey spelled "Nigger" wrongMar 21 18:15
DaemonFC:)Mar 21 18:15
schestowitzWindows is good when you want a 33% of being a zombie PCMar 21 18:15
schestowitz*33% chanceMar 21 18:16
schestowitzDaemonFC: beggarMar 21 18:16
DaemonFCschestowitz: Gas station attendantMar 21 18:16
DaemonFC:)Mar 21 18:16
schestowitzMS won't survive this transition: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9170818/Inside_MS_Cloud_Model_for_Productivity_AppsMar 21 18:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Inside MS Cloud Model for Productivity Apps .::. Size~: 124.94 KBMar 21 18:17
Omar87It's just that Facebook prefers to bring in the venom of Werrenger EdstromMar 21 18:17
schestowitzExpect trouble ahead for themMar 21 18:17
schestowitzBut for FOSS tooMar 21 18:17
Omar87WaggenerMar 21 18:17
schestowitzFOSS becomes devoured in 'clouds'Mar 21 18:17
schestowitzNot too usefulMar 21 18:17
schestowitzVMware bought Zimbta and SpringSourceMar 21 18:17
Omar87That is, Bong.Mar 21 18:17
schestowitzThey just embed the FOSSMar 21 18:17
schestowitzNo real access or use inside/in private useMar 21 18:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe he wants to make BAMA his gardenerMar 21 18:18
schestowitzI bet you his pastor is some racist buggerMar 21 18:18
schestowitzJustifying things along with liars like BeckMar 21 18:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: This is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOgMar 21 18:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- 6. Climate Change -- Those hacked e-mails .::. Size~: 112.49 KBMar 21 18:18
DaemonFCschestowitz: His jacket is the Texas flagMar 21 18:18
schestowitzWatch the Rush Beck Fox spewing drekMar 21 18:19
DaemonFCYou never see anyone else from any other state wearing their state flagMar 21 18:19
schestowitzTexas scares some USiansMar 21 18:19
schestowitzWhat they do to education nowMar 21 18:19
schestowitzI posted an article here yesterday, DaemonFCMar 21 18:20
schestowitzAnd TJ did a rude video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gknGpafFsjkMar 21 18:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- TEXAS BLOWS .::. Size~: 173.08 KBMar 21 18:21
schestowitzI have a friend here who lived in TexasMar 21 18:21
DaemonFCschestowitz: They're the only ones that take their state that seriouslyMar 21 18:21
schestowitzHe says it was racist, not he lives in Manc (he's Asian)Mar 21 18:21
DaemonFCeveryone else just lives somewhereMar 21 18:21
schestowitzHmmm.... this is brand new: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V12rYRB9swMar 21 18:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The Devil Made Me Do It .::. Size~: 151.58 KBMar 21 18:22
schestowitzAbout child molestation in churchesMar 21 18:22
schestowitz"I'm sorry, forgive me father for I have been _Caught_"Mar 21 18:23
DaemonFCI think I said that yesterdayMar 21 18:28
DaemonFCcorrupt organizationsMar 21 18:28
DaemonFCB-)Mar 21 18:28
DaemonFCYou never see crooked priests hanging themselvesMar 21 18:29
DaemonFCthat shows you about how sorry they areMar 21 18:29
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schestowitzEurope sees them weakeningMar 21 18:31
schestowitzThe universe is a beautiful placeMar 21 18:32
schestowitzLots to be learned and be inspired byMar 21 18:32
schestowitzWe don't need ancient texts that scare and inciate usMar 21 18:32
schestowitz*inciteMar 21 18:32
schestowitzIMHO.Mar 21 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @kevingamin: @OReillyMedia Ebook Deal of the Day: The Art of Community - Only $9.99! Use code DDTAC http://oreil.ly/bypcDc. I'm buying!Mar 21 18:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Art of Community            - O'Reilly Media         .::. Size~: 45.33 KBMar 21 18:35
schestowitzhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/biz/india-business/Facebook-to-set-up-centre-in-Hyderabad/articleshow/5687846.cmsMar 21 18:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Facebook to set up centre in Hyderabad - India Business - Biz - The Times of India .::. Size~: 50.27 KBMar 21 18:36
schestowitzHasn't India suffered /enough/ already?Mar 21 18:37
schestowitzFacebook is actively used for control of mind/rel?Mar 21 18:37
schestowitzI remember when people smeared RMS for warning about itMar 21 18:37
schestowitzAnd now we see it confirmed by the pressMar 21 18:37
schestowitzRMS has the last laughMar 21 18:37
schestowitzBut he's too concerned for laughterMar 21 18:37
DaemonFCneighborlee: One interesting thing is that 67% of respondents to the Indiana state assembly survey said they would favor Indiana passing a bill refusing to implement the federal health care law.Mar 21 18:38
DaemonFCB-)Mar 21 18:38
DaemonFCtechnically, no that can't happen, really though it can and hasMar 21 18:39
DaemonFCand the feds have backed offMar 21 18:39
DaemonFCit will be interesting to see how many state "nullification acts" the health bill provokesMar 21 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows the trojan – Bitdefender is spot on? http://tinyurl.com/yjbkwdb #trojan #windows #microsoft #bitdefenderMar 21 18:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows the trojan  Bitdefender is spot on? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 28.52 KBMar 21 18:44
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/191971/jerry_seinfeld_and_microsoft.htmlMar 21 18:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jerry Seinfeld and Microsoft - PCWorld .::. Size~: 45.9 KBMar 21 18:45
DaemonFCthose Seinfeld commercials are the dumbest things everMar 21 18:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: people vote against their own interests if brainwashed by Fox et alMar 21 18:46
DaemonFCnot memorable, don't connect with people, don't ever get to the pointMar 21 18:46
schestowitzFunded by the 'health' (insurance) cartelMar 21 18:46
DaemonFCthey probably have enough votes to get the nullification written into the state constitution hereMar 21 18:47
DaemonFCI mean voted within the general populationMar 21 18:47
DaemonFC*votesMar 21 18:47
DaemonFCWill they try? Who knows? Will it stick? Who knows?Mar 21 18:48
DaemonFColder people tend not to want any kind of reform because they already have their universal coverage systemMar 21 18:48
DaemonFCMedicare is corporate welfare for many reasonsMar 21 18:49
DaemonFCit takes on all the least healthy people in the country for startersMar 21 18:49
DaemonFCthen there's a privatized version that's impossible for an insurance company to lose money onMar 21 18:50
DaemonFChttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/CelebrityCafe/lindsay-lohan-ban-india/story?id=10148651Mar 21 18:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lindsay Lohan Ban in India? - ABC News .::. Size~: 64.31 KBMar 21 18:53
DaemonFClolMar 21 18:53
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=1837 "If you ask me, GPU rendering simply doesn’t seem like anything that will change the game — sites that require GPU acceleration should just be redesigned."Mar 21 18:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft says IE9 faster than Chrome, but is it? | Googling Google | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 97.91 KBMar 21 18:54
schestowitzDo me a favour, will you :-) Check if it's trueMar 21 18:54
schestowitzIIRC you have bothMar 21 18:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: it turns like into a productMar 21 18:55
schestowitzHostage situationMar 21 18:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: IE 9 failed to run the Peacekeeper testMar 21 18:55
schestowitzIt's an area where there is social resposibility, not competitive market for incentives to innva~1Mar 21 18:55
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/03/video_standards_in_ie9.htmlMar 21 18:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Video: Standards support in IE9, and yes, you read that correctly .::. Size~: 51.18 KBMar 21 18:56
schestowitz[MSFT booster warning]Mar 21 18:56
schestowitzToo much MS PR shown as "news"Mar 21 18:56
schestowitzSeattle 'press'Mar 21 18:56
DaemonFCIE 9 only runs the tests Microsoft wants it to runMar 21 18:56
schestowitzI knowMar 21 18:56
DaemonFCIt does well on SunspiderMar 21 18:56
schestowitzAs usualMar 21 18:56
schestowitzSame with tests vs LinuxMar 21 18:57
schestowitzMicrosoft lies with sincerityMar 21 18:57
DaemonFCPeacekeeper is a much wider test spectrumMar 21 18:57
DaemonFCit would show IE 9's weaknesses if IE 9 would even let it runMar 21 18:57
DaemonFCOpera 10.5 rips through the <canvas> test, blazing fastMar 21 18:58
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-loses-a-top-china-executive-2010-3Mar 21 18:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Loses A Top China Executive .::. Size~: 89.03 KBMar 21 18:59
DaemonFCOpera 10.5 is an even match for the latest Chrome 5 buildsMar 21 18:59
DaemonFCbeats it in many placesMar 21 18:59
DaemonFCFirefox is dog slow but makes it through the testMar 21 18:59
DaemonFCIE 8 can't run all the tests and is REAL slowMar 21 19:00
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ender2070opera doesnt beat anythingMar 21 19:01
ender2070proprietary is the devilMar 21 19:01
ender2070oh, it beats IEMar 21 19:01
ender2070thats itMar 21 19:01
DaemonFCOpera has the fastest and most complete rendering engine out thereMar 21 19:01
ender2070when they release the code ill give a shitMar 21 19:01
ender2070and stop complainingMar 21 19:01
DaemonFCI'll give a shit when Firefox's can play video without stuttering and freezing upMar 21 19:02
ender2070konquerer and chrome run fine for meMar 21 19:02
ender2070get a better computerMar 21 19:02
ender2070opera is designed to run on shitMar 21 19:03
DaemonFCI have a fast computerMar 21 19:03
DaemonFCFirefox is just unreasonably choppyMar 21 19:03
DaemonFCthe Linux version is worseMar 21 19:03
schestowitzender2070: opera is goodMar 21 19:04
ender2070if its choppy you dont have a fast computerMar 21 19:04
schestowitzTechnicallyMar 21 19:04
DaemonFCI have a 3 Ghz quad coreMar 21 19:04
ender2070sameMar 21 19:04
DaemonFCwtf do you mean not fast?Mar 21 19:04
ender2070its not choppyMar 21 19:04
schestowitzTheir Linux build is said to be neglected these daysMar 21 19:04
schestowitzThey just compile itMar 21 19:04
ender2070maybe firefox is keeping up with your brainMar 21 19:04
schestowitzTheir staff uses Linux in placesMar 21 19:04
schestowitzAlso, in Norway Linux countsMar 21 19:04
ender2070too bad opera isn't free softwareMar 21 19:04
schestowitzYeahMar 21 19:05
ender2070otherwise i might suggest itMar 21 19:05
schestowitzAsa would cryMar 21 19:05
schestowitzAnd run to Ballmer for helpMar 21 19:05
DaemonFCAsa is a Microsoft shill anywayMar 21 19:05
ender2070if opera was free software people might actually use itMar 21 19:05
DaemonFCdamnMar 21 19:05
ender2070it could be bundled with distrosMar 21 19:05
DaemonFChe's like the Matt Asay of MozillaMar 21 19:05
schestowitzHeheMar 21 19:05
schestowitzMAc AsayMar 21 19:05
ender2070lolMar 21 19:05
schestowitzBut Asa uses a MacMar 21 19:05
schestowitzMac AsaMar 21 19:05
ender2070Asa recommends bingMar 21 19:05
DaemonFC"IE 9 rocks, lulz!"Mar 21 19:05
ender2070:(Mar 21 19:06
DaemonFC"Use Bing, lulz!"Mar 21 19:06
schestowitzAssMar 21 19:06
DaemonFC"I suck Ballmer's pecker, lulz!!!"Mar 21 19:06
ender2070LOLMar 21 19:06
schestowitzOK, too far...Mar 21 19:06
schestowitzBut...Mar 21 19:06
schestowitzDid you see the article I posted here yesterday?Mar 21 19:06
schestowitzMozilla and Ballmer....Mar 21 19:06
ender2070hey schestowitz - you're racist!Mar 21 19:06
DaemonFCnopeMar 21 19:06
schestowitzMozilla and Ballmer....Mar 21 19:07
schestowitz http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/20/firefox-windows-phone-7/Mar 21 19:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Mozilla Engineer Writes Steve Ballmer; Promptly Takes Foot Out Of Mouth  .::. Size~: 75.49 KBMar 21 19:07
ender2070i dont have any evidence, verfako is god and is always rightMar 21 19:07
DaemonFC"?Win phone 7 marketplace can automatically revoke apps ? delete them from your device!"Mar 21 19:07
DaemonFChooray!!!Mar 21 19:07
DaemonFCDown the memory hole!Mar 21 19:07
schestowitzender2070: it means they can't argue backMar 21 19:07
DaemonFCDoubleplusgood!Mar 21 19:07
ender2070schestowitz - ;)Mar 21 19:07
schestowitzWe've not been trolled much recentlyMar 21 19:07
schestowitzI felt left out :-(Mar 21 19:07
ender2070schestowitz - im surprised to see lefty pull that nym out of the closet long enough to write all thatMar 21 19:07
schestowitzNo trolls in IRC so far in 2010Mar 21 19:08
schestowitzNo bansMar 21 19:08
schestowitz:-)Mar 21 19:08
schestowitzender2070: I guess...Mar 21 19:08
ender2070now that you say thatMar 21 19:08
ender2070they'll arriveMar 21 19:08
schestowitzWell, that name ain't associated with ACCESSMar 21 19:08
schestowitzSo it carries less liability for the trollfesrMar 21 19:08
ender2070yesMar 21 19:08
ender2070access is a joke anywaysMar 21 19:09
ender2070lolMar 21 19:09
schestowitzIf they arrive, we'll rub their tummy... with a poleMar 21 19:09
ender2070did u see my article?Mar 21 19:09
schestowitz:-)Mar 21 19:09
schestowitzACCESS is AssesMar 21 19:09
schestowitzHmmm... Google doesn't put me near page 1 for "roy" now... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&imgtbs=s&ndsp=21&q=roy&start=10&sa=NMar 21 19:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: roy - Google Search .::. Size~: 31.19 KBMar 21 19:10
schestowitzBeen around 12th since 2004/5Mar 21 19:11
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-s-Ballot-Screen-Becomes-Opera-s-Delight-137982.shtmlMar 21 19:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft’s Ballot Screen Becomes Opera’s Delight - Opera downloads almost doubled on average - Softpedia .::. Size~: 47.89 KBMar 21 19:11
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/28Mar 21 19:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android vs ACCESS Linux Platform/LiMo | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 13.05 KBMar 21 19:12
DaemonFCFirefox is basically a Windows program that also happens to have Linux buildsMar 21 19:13
ender2070access is funny because their spokesperson called rms a rapist and they don't give a shitMar 21 19:13
DaemonFCthe extent to which Linux distros have to patch it up to make it work right is unreasonableMar 21 19:13
ender2070DaemonFC - its worse than that, mozilla uses their trademark to block patchesMar 21 19:13
DaemonFCyupMar 21 19:14
DaemonFCThat's why Webkit is probably the future on LinuxMar 21 19:14
ender2070fedora complains all the timeMar 21 19:14
ender2070they still have 3.5.8Mar 21 19:14
ender2070probably cause 3.6 won't compile without hacks yetMar 21 19:14
ender2070i know theres unofficial rpms for it thoughMar 21 19:14
DaemonFCFedora should quit fucking around with Firefox and just extend epiphany to be usefulMar 21 19:15
DaemonFCit's not that far offMar 21 19:15
ender2070fedora/kde recommends konquererMar 21 19:15
ender2070or rekonq for webkitMar 21 19:15
DaemonFCyeah, but Fedora is realyl GNOME orientedMar 21 19:15
ender2070i like arora betterMar 21 19:15
ender2070stop saying thatMar 21 19:15
DaemonFCthey should make Epiphany more usableMar 21 19:15
ender2070they have teams that work on individual partsMar 21 19:15
DaemonFCwell, they kind of hide KDE behind a curtainMar 21 19:15
ender2070the KDE team in fedora does more packaging than the gnome guys thereMar 21 19:16
DaemonFCit's there and it runs fine, if you notice itMar 21 19:16
ender2070its one of the best kde distrosMar 21 19:16
DaemonFCmost new Fedora users will see GNOME, download GNOME, and use GNOMEMar 21 19:16
ender2070in my opinion it is the best kde distroMar 21 19:16
DaemonFCand the DVD defaults to GNOMEMar 21 19:16
ender2070the DVD, if u pick kde doesnt install monoMar 21 19:16
DaemonFCyeah, but you have to check "Custom Package Selection", hit next, and uncheck "GNOME Desktop" and check "KDE Desktop"Mar 21 19:17
DaemonFCif you just hit next, you get GNOMEMar 21 19:17
ender2070thats fineMar 21 19:17
ender2070not everyone uses gnomeMar 21 19:17
ender2070they have a lot of kde usersMar 21 19:17
DaemonFCso the installer doesn't offer you KDE by defaultMar 21 19:17
DaemonFCyou have to know you want KDE, and unhide itMar 21 19:18
ender2070kubuntu fucks up a lot, and people are drawn to fedora vs opensuse more often than notMar 21 19:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Sorry folks, how rude of me, good morning...well afternoon now. :-)Mar 21 19:18
ender2070most people don't use the dvdMar 21 19:18
ender2070its the least usedMar 21 19:18
DaemonFCOpenSuse gives you a better choice screenMar 21 19:18
ender2070they use the livecd'sMar 21 19:18
ender2070opensuse also gives you monoMar 21 19:18
ender2070and yastMar 21 19:18
DaemonFCit displays the GNOME or KDE screen prominentlyMar 21 19:18
DaemonFCOpenSuse KDE does not have Mono, KDE is selected by defaultMar 21 19:19
DaemonFCI don't think that a lot of their "community" sees Mono as a featureMar 21 19:19
ender2070not to mention yastMar 21 19:19
DaemonFCor else they would have voted to make GNOME defaultMar 21 19:19
ender2070yast is the worst piece of shit everMar 21 19:19
ender2070its a relic from days when you needed that shitMar 21 19:20
DaemonFCno, it's notMar 21 19:20
ender2070its a gigantic shit pileMar 21 19:20
DaemonFCportage or pacman or conaryMar 21 19:20
DaemonFCtry using themMar 21 19:20
ender2070much easierMar 21 19:20
ender2070im a CLI guyMar 21 19:21
ender2070emerge firefox is much easier than opening yast, waiting, digging through all the fucking menus, then searching their database and hitting okMar 21 19:21
DaemonFCYast is easy enough to use with the exception that they need to make add-on repositories more compatible with the OpenSuse onesMar 21 19:21
ender2070zypper > yastMar 21 19:22
ender2070fuck yastMar 21 19:22
DaemonFCfor example, if you enable VideoLAN and PackMan, you'll have conflictsMar 21 19:22
ender2070yeah thats dumbMar 21 19:22
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfMar 21 19:22
ender2070i just install two rpms and get all that shit in fedora without conflictsMar 21 19:22
ender2070rpmfusionMar 21 19:23
DaemonFCso there's certain combinations of repositories that you can't open up together or it might vaporize your systemMar 21 19:23
ender2070rpm -i rpmfusion*rpmMar 21 19:23
DaemonFCI know that, you know thatMar 21 19:23
DaemonFCa new user?Mar 21 19:23
ender2070double clickMar 21 19:23
DaemonFCAlready too late once it's doneMar 21 19:23
ender2070lolMar 21 19:23
ender2070kpackagekit can turn them on and off tooMar 21 19:24
ender2070its so easyMar 21 19:24
ender2070anyone who cant figure it out is a moronMar 21 19:24
ender2070and i have no pity for htemMar 21 19:24
ender2070themMar 21 19:24
DaemonFCwell, OpenSuse GNOME is the worst GNOME distro out thereMar 21 19:24
DaemonFCChoose Your Own Adventure menuMar 21 19:24
ender2070i dont like anything about opensuseMar 21 19:24
ender2070its a relic to meMar 21 19:24
DaemonFCBut Ubuntu is getting close, jonoMar 21 19:24
DaemonFCB-)Mar 21 19:24
ender2070they should call it NUUBuntuMar 21 19:25
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5620Mar 21 19:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Midori team member Jonathan Shapiro leaving Microsoft | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 99.69 KBMar 21 19:25
schestowitzExodusMar 21 19:25
DaemonFCyes, Fedora's GNOME distro is the cleanest and with the least chance to blow up your systemMar 21 19:25
ender2070fedora agrees with the fsf on most things tooMar 21 19:25
DaemonFCUbuntu's metapackage system just defies logicMar 21 19:26
ender2070except they consider firmware "content"Mar 21 19:26
DaemonFCit's an ugly hacked together system of foistwareMar 21 19:26
ender2070if it werent for the firmware, fedora would be on the fsf listMar 21 19:26
schestowitzLinux used to mean profit to MozillaMar 21 19:26
schestowitzUbuntu changes thisMar 21 19:26
schestowitzChanges the relationship somewhatMar 21 19:26
ender2070how?Mar 21 19:26
schestowitzBongMar 21 19:26
DaemonFCUbuntu metapackages are just the fucking stupidest thing I've ever seenMar 21 19:27
DaemonFCI mean thatMar 21 19:27
ender2070oh lolMar 21 19:27
schestowitzMozils is paid for Google in the search barMar 21 19:27
DaemonFCit enforces a non-customizable system of shit you can't get rid ofMar 21 19:27
ender2070schestowitz - they should make ubuntu change the name ;)Mar 21 19:27
schestowitzabrowser?Mar 21 19:27
ender2070schestowitz - ubuntu can call it cashfoxMar 21 19:27
ender2070or somethingMar 21 19:27
DaemonFCTheir Ching partnershipMar 21 19:27
schestowitzFirebongMar 21 19:28
DaemonFCas in ching chingMar 21 19:28
ender2070lol firebongMar 21 19:28
schestowitzSmoking machineMar 21 19:28
ender2070shillfoxMar 21 19:28
DaemonFCschestowitz: Opera 10.5 is by far the best Windows browser out thereMar 21 19:28
ender2070firesaleMar 21 19:28
schestowitzMarksixMar 21 19:28
schestowitzMarkSixMar 21 19:28
DaemonFCthe Linux version is not close enough to call yetMar 21 19:28
schestowitzMarXix?Mar 21 19:28
DaemonFCstill major problemsMar 21 19:28
DaemonFCschestowitz: I think Opera will skip 10.5 on Linux, maybe release 10.52 or something next to the Windows releaseMar 21 19:29
schestowitz"Community for human beings"Mar 21 19:29
schestowitzSubtle refs to communismMar 21 19:29
schestowitzAnyway, I kid.......Mar 21 19:29
ender2070i like how they do things best for the user, but dont listen to the userMar 21 19:29
*jono sighsMar 21 19:29
schestowitzI use Kubuntu nowMar 21 19:30
jono:)Mar 21 19:30
ender2070"we think microsoft is best for the user"Mar 21 19:30
schestowitzIt isMar 21 19:30
schestowitzMicrosoft is a userMar 21 19:30
schestowitzIt uses peopleMar 21 19:30
DaemonFCjono!!! Bacon!!! Bacon!!! Bacon!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CErapf79rqMMar 21 19:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Beggin' Strips Commercial ITS BACON! .::. Size~: 112.99 KBMar 21 19:30
schestowitzLike IcahnMar 21 19:30
schestowitzThe Bacon numberMar 21 19:30
schestowitzI have a Bacon number of oneMar 21 19:31
jonololMar 21 19:31
schestowitzBut I never met Kevin BaconMar 21 19:31
schestowitzMost Powerful voice in Open SourceMar 21 19:31
ender2070lol who?Mar 21 19:31
schestowitzjono: you still tell colleagues, "I'm a most powerful voice?"Mar 21 19:31
schestowitzOr has that expired now? :-)Mar 21 19:32
schestowitzender2070: some MSFTers did some 'stats'Mar 21 19:32
jonoschestowitz lol, that wore off :)Mar 21 19:32
schestowitzThe ones that take TWITTER into accountMar 21 19:32
ender2070schestowitz - oh yeah?Mar 21 19:32
schestowitzWhich already rules out part of the sample populaitonMar 21 19:32
schestowitzender2070: I wrote about it in BNMar 21 19:32
jonoschestowitz MS didnt drive the powerful voices thing, that was Mindtouch - why do you think it is MS?Mar 21 19:32
schestowitzLast year they made funny choicesMar 21 19:33
schestowitzAnd developers don't countMar 21 19:33
schestowitzjono: Look who runs MindtouchMar 21 19:33
schestowitzThey are also major boosters of .NETMar 21 19:33
jonoschestowitz Aaron FulkersonMar 21 19:33
schestowitzYsMar 21 19:33
schestowitzI heard your show with himMar 21 19:33
ender2070some people accuse us of not contributingMar 21 19:33
jonoAaron is a good guy - he lives and breathes OSSMar 21 19:33
schestowitzI don't have a problem w/ him as a personMar 21 19:33
schestowitzBut he's biasedMar 21 19:33
jonohow is he biased?Mar 21 19:33
ender2070when theres no way they can possibly know that, its ad hominemMar 21 19:33
schestowitzAnd not in a way that's good for leaving behind corrupt companies and their non-Free s/wMar 21 19:34
schestowitzjono: his mates are from MicrosoftMar 21 19:34
schestowitzAnd MVPs like Miguel.Mar 21 19:34
jonoschestowitz I have mates at MS, does that make me biased?Mar 21 19:34
schestowitzAnd CollierMar 21 19:34
jonoMiguel is a friend of mineMar 21 19:34
schestowitzThat makes you at risk of Microsoft biasMar 21 19:34
schestowitzBut people don't admit their biasesMar 21 19:34
jonololMar 21 19:34
schestowitzLike...:Mar 21 19:34
schestowitz"I swear I wrote this article cause I wanted to"Mar 21 19:35
jonoso if someone knows someone at MS that are at risk of bias?Mar 21 19:35
ender2070Q: Some say the emergence of super rich philanthropies like the Gates Foundation has undermined the effectiveness of the U.N. and its member organizations, like the WHO.Mar 21 19:35
schestowitzHappens all the timeMar 21 19:35
jonoI think you will find that *everyone* in the Open Source industry knows someone at MSMar 21 19:35
schestowitzAlso stattes in a recent survey about press+PRMar 21 19:35
ender2070A: On the contrary that is what we really want -- contributions from the business community as well as philanthropies. We need to have political support, but it doesn't give us all that we need. NGOs and philanthropies and many foundations such as Bill Gates Foundation -- they're taking a very important role. The United Nations stands in the center of mobilizing and raising awareness of climate change and food security. Mar 21 19:35
ender2070When this H1N1 flu broke out I immediately had a meeting with WHO Director Margaret Chan. We even convened a meeting with international pharmaceutical CEOs in Geneva. We were discussing how pharmaceutical companies could help providing vaccines for developing countries. Major pharmaceutical companies have now donated 150 million vaccines.Mar 21 19:35
ender2070http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebusinessofgiving/2010141457_on_saturday_they_tried_somethi.htmlMar 21 19:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Business of Giving | A conversation with UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 58.92 KBMar 21 19:35
jonoI have some good pals at MS - Sam Ramji is a friend, Nic McGrath, Peter Galli, and I am friends with MiguelMar 21 19:35
jonobut believe me, I am not biasedMar 21 19:35
ender2070jono - you don't sound biasedMar 21 19:36
jonoone of these days I will tell schestowitz about a story that *really* outlines thisMar 21 19:36
DaemonFCjono: Tell them to make Internet Explorer 9 not suck, then to put me on TV commercials to say "IE 9 doesn't suck, I told Microsoft to make IE 9 not suck, I'm a PC and IE 9 was my idea!!! Oh, I can click here to enlarge my penis......WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH OH GOD!!!!!!!...."Mar 21 19:36
DaemonFCB-)Mar 21 19:36
ender2070LOLMar 21 19:36
schestowitz:-pMar 21 19:37
jonook, I am outMar 21 19:38
jonolaters allMar 21 19:38
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/30Mar 21 19:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK Ministry of Defense and UN admits Global Elite and Green Agenda | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 13.04 KBMar 21 19:38
DaemonFCender2070: IE 9 running as a standalone browser, hmmmMar 21 19:39
DaemonFCwith an uninstaller even.....Mar 21 19:39
DaemonFCYou don't suppose....Mar 21 19:39
DaemonFCNo, MS would never lie to usMar 21 19:39
DaemonFCIE is a Windows system component, totally integrated in every wayMar 21 19:39
DaemonFCtentacles evenMar 21 19:40
schestowitzhttp://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2010/tc20100316_708117.htmMar 21 19:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nokia's Kallasvuo: We Must "Move Even Faster" - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 53.72 KBMar 21 19:40
schestowitz"What do you expect to deliver as a result of the cooperation with Microsoft this year?"Mar 21 19:40
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/191932/palm_prime_for_acquisition.htmlMar 21 19:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Palm Prime for Acquisition - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 58.23 KBMar 21 19:42
DaemonFChttp://snapshot.opera.com/unix/snapshot-6252/Mar 21 19:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Index of /unix/snapshot-6252 .::. Size~: 2.85 KBMar 21 19:46
DaemonFCOpera 10.51 snapshots now have DEB and RPM packagesMar 21 19:47
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schestowitzCan't get a break...Mar 21 19:49
ender2070lolMar 21 19:50
schestowitzBrother uses Linux and sister bothers him with her husband over it... even though both use Linux at workMar 21 19:50
schestowitz[intel and ge]Mar 21 19:50
schestowitzOpera should go FreeMar 21 19:50
schestowitzPeople should set up a petitionMar 21 19:50
schestowitzThey worry about their mobile browser businessMar 21 19:50
schestowitzThey can keep it shut on phonesMar 21 19:51
schestowitzMost phones are locked down anywayMar 21 19:51
schestowitzA tricky area for everything FOSSMar 21 19:51
*DaemonFC (~none@c-69-245-224-113.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovellMar 21 19:52
ender2070oh god, opera sucksMar 21 19:52
ender2070i just ran itMar 21 19:52
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hsw18BYSUmlqy6DmtCCd_WfM1pwQMar 21 19:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: AFP: Twitter meshes into websites with @Anywhere .::. Size~: 10.04 KBMar 21 19:54
schestowitz"Twitter on Monday began letting its hot microblogging service be integrated into websites such as YouTube and Microsoft's Bing with a new "@Anywhere" feature."Mar 21 19:54
schestowitzThey forgot Google?Mar 21 19:54
WireWulfi just ran googles browser it sucks tooMar 21 19:54
schestowitzGoogle did more than just build a GUI around WebkitMar 21 19:54
schestowitzThey made some good enginesMar 21 19:55
schestowitzNow 3D tooMar 21 19:55
schestowitzNot that sites should use thatMar 21 19:55
schestowitzIt's like JS or Flush[sic]Mar 21 19:55
ender2070i got a screenshotMar 21 19:56
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/opera.pngMar 21 19:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 19:56
ender2070ugly fontsMar 21 19:57
MinceR185706 < schestowitz> MinceR: Jack Wallen is "pragmatist"Mar 21 19:58
MinceRwho's that?Mar 21 19:58
MinceRender2070: ugly fonts, just like chromium?Mar 21 19:58
ender2070i like the fonts in chromiumMar 21 19:58
ender2070anti aliasing for the winMar 21 19:58
*WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-awayMar 21 19:59
schestowitzhttp://www.pixelbeat.org/misc/google_stars.htmlMar 21 20:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google's Open Source Stars .::. Size~: 20.17 KBMar 21 20:01
schestowitzender2070: fonts look decentMar 21 20:01
schestowitzYou run at a low-resMar 21 20:02
ender20701280x800Mar 21 20:02
ender2070not low resMar 21 20:02
schestowitzSo I imagine it looks diffrent over yoursMar 21 20:02
ender2070ill show you the other browsersMar 21 20:02
schestowitzRescaled?Mar 21 20:02
ender2070konquerer resizes the picturesMar 21 20:02
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/firefox.pngMar 21 20:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 20:03
MinceRender2070: it doesn't break Vera/DejaVu Sans for you?Mar 21 20:03
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/chromium.pngMar 21 20:03
MinceRhttp://gizmodo.com/5498412/sql-injection-license-plate-hopes-to-foil-euro-traffic-camerasMar 21 20:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 20:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: SQL Injection License Plate Hopes to Foil Euro Traffic Cameras - License Plate - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 64.74 KBMar 21 20:03
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/konquerer.pngMar 21 20:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 20:03
schestowitzhttp://www.wipo.int/ipstats/en/statistics/patents/wipo_pub_931.html#aMar 21 20:04
ender2070im on my laptop right nowMar 21 20:04
*schestowitz hates WIPOMar 21 20:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: World Patent Report:  A Statistical Review (2008) .::. Size~: 195.71 KBMar 21 20:04
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schestowitzWHy can't you be like the rest of the kids and use Firefox?Mar 21 20:04
schestowitz[sarcasm /]Mar 21 20:04
schestowitzender2070: ah, OKMar 21 20:05
ender2070i prefer chromiumMar 21 20:05
schestowitzI wouldn't use a laptop anymore cause of resMar 21 20:05
schestowitzI used to dual-head with laptop+externalMar 21 20:05
ender2070ahhMar 21 20:05
schestowitzSince I was 19Mar 21 20:05
ender2070lolMar 21 20:05
schestowitzWin98Mar 21 20:05
*schestowitz ducksMar 21 20:05
ender2070i use my virtual desktopsMar 21 20:05
schestowitzYeah, those helpMar 21 20:06
ender2070thats why you dont see irc in those screenshotsMar 21 20:06
schestowitzSometimes though it's good to have big windowsMar 21 20:06
schestowitzI use Thunderbird spread across 2 screensMar 21 20:06
ender2070my email is gmail poweredMar 21 20:06
ender2070i usually use the web based clientMar 21 20:06
ender2070google apps for domainsMar 21 20:07
DaemonFCI might use Chrome if it had a real adblock add-onMar 21 20:07
schestowitz'“However Justice Stevens is going to come out on an issue, he is going to do it in a way that is very friendly and avuncular and good-natured,” Paul Clement, who was George W. Bush’s Solicitor General from 2005 to 2008, says.' http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/03/22/100322fa_fact_toobinMar 21 20:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What will the Supreme Court be like without Justice John Paul Stevens? : The New Yorker .::. Size~: 139.71 KBMar 21 20:07
DaemonFCOpera and Firefox block things from even being downloaded or renderedMar 21 20:08
DaemonFCChrome has some add-on that uses CSS tricks to hide things that are already downloaded and renderedMar 21 20:08
*schestowitz uses Google just for searchMar 21 20:08
schestowitz[and video]Mar 21 20:08
ender2070http://mail.pwnage.caMar 21 20:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 9.75 KBMar 21 20:09
ender2070badassMar 21 20:09
ender2070lolMar 21 20:09
ender2070thanks to the chinese attacks, i got SSL now tooMar 21 20:09
ender2070if my server goes down, i still have emailMar 21 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just filed Issue 38844: Mashable Website suffers "snapping" with the Chromium bug report page. #chromiumMar 21 20:10
schestowitzWhy is Groklaw so fascinated by Apple? Mar 21 20:10
schestowitzI don't get it, she links to http://blogs.computerworld.com/15750/apple_hires_senior_prototype_engineer_for_work_on_wearable_computersMar 21 20:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple hires 'Senior Prototype Engineer' for work on wearable computing - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 130.79 KBMar 21 20:10
ender2070http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.htmlMar 21 20:10
schestowitzCan't they just leave it for Apple to do its PR?Mar 21 20:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 112.54 KBMar 21 20:10
schestowitzender2070: noMar 21 20:10
ender2070DaemonFC will love this linkMar 21 20:10
ender2070LOLMar 21 20:10
schestowitzIt won't 'end"Mar 21 20:10
schestowitzDepends what WSJ means by "end"Mar 21 20:11
ender2070read itMar 21 20:11
ender2070not really 'end'Mar 21 20:11
schestowitzEnd of lifestyle maybeMar 21 20:11
ender2070but the states get sold offMar 21 20:11
schestowitzThat's not a predictionMar 21 20:11
schestowitzIt's already happeningMar 21 20:11
schestowitzTent cities and all...Mar 21 20:11
ender2070detroit is being shrunkMar 21 20:11
ender2070poverty will 'save the planet'Mar 21 20:11
schestowitzender2070: it's oldMar 21 20:12
schestowitz2008Mar 21 20:12
schestowitzender2070: hehMar 21 20:12
schestowitzDid Gates say it?Mar 21 20:12
schestowitzHe likes saying "Amazing"Mar 21 20:12
schestowitzSo I've heardMar 21 20:12
schestowitzI have a long post about himMar 21 20:12
schestowitzHe made almost $10 billion last yearMar 21 20:12
schestowitzQuite a GIVER *LOL*Mar 21 20:12
schestowitzLucky for him, sheeple fall for his PR campaignsMar 21 20:13
ender2070lolMar 21 20:13
ender2070remember he said his vaccines will reduce the populationMar 21 20:13
schestowitzIn Russia people would just know it's propagandaMar 21 20:13
ender2070and people cheered, laughed and clappedMar 21 20:13
schestowitzYou'll see evidence in my postMar 21 20:13
schestowitzThey spend millions advertising DONATIONSMar 21 20:13
DaemonFCfor once I am watching C-SPANMar 21 20:13
DaemonFCuggghMar 21 20:14
schestowitzWhy would DONATIONS need whole firms advertising them and pushing journalists?Mar 21 20:14
ender2070something like 10 cents out of every dollar actually goes to the cause its supposed to be forMar 21 20:14
schestowitzThe money comes from youMar 21 20:14
schestowitzTaxpayersMar 21 20:14
schestowitzGates just lobbies for donationsMar 21 20:14
schestowitzThe money comes from GOvtMar 21 20:14
ender2070yeahMar 21 20:14
schestowitzI'll show you sneak previewMar 21 20:14
ender2070carbon credits tooMar 21 20:14
schestowitzCause Canucks get rapedMar 21 20:14
ender2070bags of nothingMar 21 20:14
schestowitzChanucksMar 21 20:15
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62E1CD20100315Mar 21 20:15
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schestowitzCanada:Mar 21 20:15
schestowitzhttp://www.pr-inside.com/microsoft-canada-opens-up-to-help-r1785896.htmMar 21 20:16
schestowitzhttp://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/story/2010/03/16/hiv-vaccine-isotopes-aglukkaq-butler-jones.htmlMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Feds+drop+plans+build+vaccine+facility/2590512/story.htmlMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://topnews.us/content/213464-health-department-under-scrutiny-after-scrapping-hiv-vaccine-facility-planMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/canada/Feds+drop+plans+build+vaccine+facility/2590512/story.htmlMar 21 20:16
schestowitzhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/health-boss-grilled-on-city-vaccine-plan-88079682.htmlMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.montrealgazette.com/health/Flaws+cited+report+used+shelve+vaccine+facility/2698581/story.htmlMar 21 20:16
schestowitzhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/gates-study-on-hiv-vaccine-facility-fatally-flawed-expert-88532227.htmlMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/breakingnews/Study-used-to-determineVaccine-facility-decision-process-88423967.htmlMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Vaccine-facility-decision-process-fair-and-open-Butler-Jones-87813742.htmlMar 21 20:16
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schestowitzRemember:Mar 21 20:16
schestowitzFates invests in your govt.Mar 21 20:16
schestowitz$2 billion IIRCMar 21 20:16
schestowitz*GatesMar 21 20:17
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MinceRhttp://torrentfreak.com/why-google-made-bittorrent-a-success-100321/Mar 21 20:18
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ender2070yeah I knowMar 21 20:18
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/undercover-feds-on-facebookMar 21 20:18
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ender2070microsoft has been safe from anti-trust lawsuits here tooMar 21 20:19
ender2070big surpriseMar 21 20:19
ender2070i've made numerous complaints, which were ignoredMar 21 20:19
ender2070i've made complaints about rogers and bell and was told by the government they werent going to do anythingMar 21 20:20
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schestowitz[PJ: I want one, if only because it has a battery you can replace, unlike with an iPad, where you have to turn in your old iPad if the battery dies and get a brand new iPad for $100. First, you have to move all your stuff elsewhere, meaning via Apple sanctioned methods, or you lose it all.] -Mar 21 20:25
ender2070lolMar 21 20:26
ender2070http://www.rodale.com/phthalate-plasticizers?cm_mmc=DailyNewsNL-_-2010_03_16-_-Top5-_-NAMar 21 20:26
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ender2070I wondered why it was always yuppies carrying around their plastic water bottlesMar 21 20:27
schestowitzhttp://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202446313024&Confidentiality_Issues_Mushroom_in_the_Tribune_BankruptcyMar 21 20:28
schestowitzWhoaMar 21 20:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Law.com - Confidentiality Issues Mushroom in the Tribune Bankruptcy .::. Size~: 27.61 KBMar 21 20:28
schestowitz$10bn in debtMar 21 20:28
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ender2070seems like a 8.8 billion people population is being predicted for 2040Mar 21 20:34
ender2070which isn't muchMar 21 20:34
ender2070i guess they take sterility and population control into accountMar 21 20:35
MinceRit's a lot more than there should beMar 21 20:35
ender2070mincer - you're welcome to sterilze yourself and end the problemMar 21 20:35
ender2070if you really believe itMar 21 20:35
MinceRthat won't end the problemMar 21 20:35
DaemonFCIt would be nice if they excluded smokers from health coverageMar 21 20:35
ender2070sureMar 21 20:35
ender2070less offspring, your kids might have kidsMar 21 20:35
MinceRthat will merely damage the gene poolMar 21 20:35
DaemonFCor just made the cigarettes so expensive that the taxes offset their abuse of the systemMar 21 20:36
ender2070your kids might have more than one kid,and then you are damaging the planetMar 21 20:36
MinceRyes, i'm sure sterilizing one of 7 billion will make a lot of changeMar 21 20:36
ender2070if you dont you're a hypocriteMar 21 20:36
ender2070hard core environmentalists are doing itMar 21 20:36
MinceRif you think that will solve the problem, you're an idiotMar 21 20:37
ender2070i dont think it willMar 21 20:37
ender2070because its not even a problemMar 21 20:37
ender2070im just saying you're a hypocrite if you dontMar 21 20:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Anyone want to add all the PyQt snippets to the python-snippets project? See http://is.gd/aRlwU for details. :-) #qt #kde #pythonsnippetsMar 21 20:38
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ender2070because you cant say population increase is bad, and then increase the populationMar 21 20:38
ender2070and not be a hypocriteMar 21 20:38
MinceRi'm not increasing the populationMar 21 20:38
ender2070if you have a child you areMar 21 20:39
MinceRmaybe you jump on every passing female to copulate, but i don'tMar 21 20:39
ender2070it would be the same as saying microsoft is the devil, and continuing to use their productsMar 21 20:39
ender2070if you think population is a problem don't have kidsMar 21 20:40
MinceRbecause everyone has the freedom to choose not to use m$ products, right?Mar 21 20:40
MinceRand the only way to not have kids is by sterilizing yourself, right?Mar 21 20:40
ender2070yes but if you say ms sucks, and you're writing it from a windows box, you're a hypcriteMar 21 20:41
MinceRyou have interesting ideasMar 21 20:41
MinceRno, i can write it from a winblows box from experienceMar 21 20:41
ender2070yeah rightMar 21 20:41
MinceRi did use winblows so i know how much it sucks :>Mar 21 20:41
ender2070winblows shouldnt even be thereMar 21 20:41
ender2070i used to fix ppls pc's with itMar 21 20:41
MinceRi don't control every pc in the worldMar 21 20:41
ender2070and population control isnt something we need to volunteer on eitherMar 21 20:43
ender2070theres plenty of chemicals that sterilize people in everyday productsMar 21 20:43
MinceRprobably the best way to control population would be preventing idiots from making childrenMar 21 20:43
MinceRit would also help with the problem of worldwide idiocyMar 21 20:44
ender2070best method of population control is removing warning labels from hazards ;)Mar 21 20:44
MinceRthat could be part of the solutionMar 21 20:44
ender2070make seat belts and helmets optional again tooMar 21 20:44
ender2070survival of the fittestMar 21 20:44
ender2070they should stop deforesting BC and the rain forestMar 21 20:45
ender2070im looking at figures that say the population is gonna hit 9.1 billion and stay there till 2100Mar 21 20:46
ender2070from 2050Mar 21 20:46
MinceRwhat will happen in 2100? mass extinction event?Mar 21 20:46
ender2070no they stopped predictingMar 21 20:46
ender2070lolMar 21 20:46
ender2070they arent the mayaMar 21 20:47
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ender2070its certainly growing way slower than it would normally, had there not been bishphenol a in plasticMar 21 20:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/atzu/4365152223/sizes/l/Mar 21 20:49
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DaemonFCheheMar 21 20:49
Chips_B_Malroyender2070> I seen the dialog with Lumpy and you on PhonoixMar 21 20:49
Chips_B_Malroyand I liked your information on your site about Acess co ltdMar 21 20:49
ender2070:DMar 21 20:50
ender2070for your information, he still hasn't called the cops on meMar 21 20:50
Chips_B_Malroynice graph btw.  I think Google is going kill Acess off, and a certain troll that works for themMar 21 20:50
ender2070i might put a counter up on my siteMar 21 20:50
ender2070yeah he didnt argue my access stuffMar 21 20:51
ender2070he just persisted in ad hominem against meMar 21 20:51
Chips_B_Malroyhe if full of it, likes to threatren peopleMar 21 20:51
ender2070claiming im "criminally harassing" himMar 21 20:51
ender2070because i asked access what they thought of him calling rms a rapistMar 21 20:51
Chips_B_Malroybut then I think he has deep personal problemsMar 21 20:51
ender2070a lot of people doMar 21 20:52
ender2070lolMar 21 20:52
MinceRi think the problem is that he existsMar 21 20:52
ender2070ROFLMAOMar 21 20:52
ender2070+1Mar 21 20:52
Chips_B_Malroyhim and I went around and around, on this siteMar 21 20:52
MinceRas we've discussed before, there are far more people on this planet than necessary :>Mar 21 20:53
Chips_B_Malroy200 comments on one of Roy's articleMar 21 20:53
ender2070they existed before, now they have computersMar 21 20:53
Chips_B_Malroyso Lumpy is now the Larry Flint of Limo?  Or Gnome advisory boardMar 21 20:54
ender2070hes not on the advisory board anymoreMar 21 20:54
ender2070access can't afford to throw away another $20kMar 21 20:54
ender2070it used to be 10kMar 21 20:54
Chips_B_Malroybut he does seem to have the ear of Mark ShuttleworthMar 21 20:54
ender2070they finally got out of debt it looks like from the stocksMar 21 20:55
Chips_B_MalroyMark actually listens to this guyMar 21 20:55
ender2070Mark is a business typeMar 21 20:55
Chips_B_Malroyender> yes Acess will failMar 21 20:55
ender2070I saw this one video, "how open is open" and lumpy bashed google for not being community friendlyMar 21 20:56
ender2070yet you can get the full access source codeMar 21 20:56
ender2070errMar 21 20:56
ender2070full android source codeMar 21 20:56
Chips_B_MalroyAcess code is not free or open source, at least the majoraty of itMar 21 20:57
ender2070Mincer - http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/D70F2CC7-5673-43AE-BA73-1F887801266C/0/20100202GST_4_Global_Strategic_Trends_Out_to_2040UDCDCStrat_Trends_4.pdfMar 21 20:57
Chips_B_Malroyand they charge for it, unlike GoogleMar 21 20:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KBMar 21 20:57
ender2070Chips_B_Malroy - ALP uses NetfrontMar 21 20:58
ender2070netfront sucksMar 21 20:58
Chips_B_Malroywhich is the downfall of Winmo and will also be of AcessMar 21 20:58
MinceRender2070: what's that?Mar 21 20:58
MinceR(the pdf)Mar 21 20:58
ender2070mincer - the document i was refering toMar 21 20:58
ender2070mincer - UK DOD predictions to 2040Mar 21 20:58
Chips_B_Malroyis Acess Netfront based on Netpositive from Mar 21 20:58
Chips_B_MalroyBeOS?Mar 21 20:58
ender2070they predict regular people will become terroristsMar 21 20:58
ender2070due to political changesMar 21 20:58
ender2070Chips_B_Malroy - i wonder, apparently they own the rights to BeOSMar 21 20:59
Chips_B_Malroyyes, they got that from buying PalmsourceMar 21 20:59
ender2070they killed yellowtab for itMar 21 20:59
ender2070i read some stuff by lumpy on thatMar 21 21:00
MinceRwho's lumpy?Mar 21 21:00
Chips_B_Malroycause what I see, is Acess is not an innovator, but modifies someone elses productMar 21 21:00
Chips_B_Malroyyes, Lumpy was the hacket man for Acess on YellowtabMar 21 21:00
ender2070it was "how open is open" or another talk he did where he explained how to use the community to your businesses advantageMar 21 21:01
ender2070so they love open sourceMar 21 21:01
ender2070saves them moneyMar 21 21:01
Chips_B_Malroywell, Lumpy is another reason to "Love" Google, as Google is in the process of crushing Acess and therefore its trollMar 21 21:02
ender2070he got banned from androids moderated mailing listMar 21 21:02
ender2070for trolling themMar 21 21:02
Chips_B_Malroybecause Android is superior to ALP and is truly free Mar 21 21:03
Chips_B_Malroyquestion is, when Acess folds, will Shuttleworth hire Lumpy?Mar 21 21:03
ender2070Chips_B_Malroy - can I show you something funny in PM?Mar 21 21:03
Chips_B_MalroysureMar 21 21:04
ender2070lumpy likes palm and apple kind of stuffMar 21 21:04
ender2070hes just using open source, he never talked about it when he worked at appleMar 21 21:05
ender2070he takes credit for bonjour being open source but apple won't verify thatMar 21 21:05
ender2070his name isn't in the source code anywhereMar 21 21:05
ender2070he just talks shit and comes off as convincing sometimesMar 21 21:06
ender2070convincing enough to his croniesMar 21 21:06
Chips_B_Malroyender> did you ever read all the bs from lumpy on this site when I debated with himMar 21 21:08
Chips_B_Malroyyou might find it enlighteningMar 21 21:09
ender2070no i didntMar 21 21:09
Chips_B_Malroyhe has no friendsMar 21 21:09
Chips_B_Malroynot real onesMar 21 21:09
Chips_B_Malroyhe only has business aquantances, that he calls friendsMar 21 21:10
ender2070lolMar 21 21:10
ender2070got a link?Mar 21 21:11
Chips_B_Malroyhis religion, buddest, is a scam.  his learning of Japanese, his watchin Japanese TV and movies, all designed to suck up to his bossesMar 21 21:11
Chips_B_Malroythat how he keeps his jobMar 21 21:11
Chips_B_Malroya suck up yes manMar 21 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Working on my GNOME Journal contribution #gnome #gnomejournalMar 21 21:12
ender2070yeah a suck upMar 21 21:12
Chips_B_Malroyender> I don't have the link, but maybe a search for lefty here on BNMar 21 21:12
Chips_B_MalroyRoy asked me not to feed the troll after that, so I have kept my wordMar 21 21:13
Chips_B_Malroyyou have a lot of information on your site, but there is a few things of value in those postsMar 21 21:14
Chips_B_Malroylumpy as a buddists, lack of friends, hatred of GNU Mar 21 21:15
ender2070ill go through itMar 21 21:15
Chips_B_Malroybtw, I have nothing against buddistsMar 21 21:15
ender2070i've been researching him quite a bitMar 21 21:15
ender2070dude i dont believe the buddist stuff for another reasonMar 21 21:15
Chips_B_Malroythe more you do, the more slim you seeMar 21 21:16
ender2070he is an occultist who likes Aleister CrowleyMar 21 21:16
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I read thatMar 21 21:16
ender2070http://people.tribe.net/stonemirrorMar 21 21:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Stone's Profile - tribe.net .::. Size~: 42.45 KBMar 21 21:16
ender2070crazy shitMar 21 21:16
ender2070and i believe its his profile because it has pictures i haven't seen anywhere elseMar 21 21:17
ender2070chips_b_malroy - http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/microsoft-apologists-vs-rms/Mar 21 21:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GPL and Stallman FUD Now Arriving from the Freedom-apathetic or Freedom-hostile | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 353.72 KBMar 21 21:18
ender2070chips_b_malroy - http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/14/microsoft-bing-fail/Mar 21 21:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bing Fails, So Microsoft Proceeds to Anti-competitive Practices | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 183.41 KBMar 21 21:18
Chips_B_MalroyGoogle will stop his source of income, but they cannot stop his trollingMar 21 21:20
MinceRperhaps starvation will stop his trolling after he loses his source of incomeMar 21 21:20
MinceRor not being able to fund his internet connectionMar 21 21:20
Chips_B_Malroyender>find the one with appox 200 commentsMar 21 21:21
ender2070kkMar 21 21:21
Chips_B_Malroyif Acess is gone, he will not have the chair on Gnome Advisory, or LimoMar 21 21:22
ender2070Mincer - he brags about spending my yearly income flying around the worldMar 21 21:22
ender207030K+Mar 21 21:22
Chips_B_Malroyhis "big man" ego problem.  "Mar 21 21:22
MinceRender2070: if access goes bankrupt, they won't be able to fund such trips anymoreMar 21 21:23
Chips_B_MalroyLumpy is a God..............at least in his own mindMar 21 21:23
ender2070i think they pay for it tooMar 21 21:24
ender2070lumpy probably performs occult shit to give him powers (in his mind)Mar 21 21:24
Chips_B_Malroyme too.  as he attacks those, such as google, that hurt AcessMar 21 21:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want the e-book version of my book, The Art Of Community for $9.99? Go to http://is.gd/aRZNP and use the code DDTAC #socialmedia #communityMar 21 21:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Art of Community            - O'Reilly Media         .::. Size~: 45.28 KBMar 21 21:25
Chips_B_Malroyalso, since Acess basically takes free software and makes it theirs, Lumpy attacks free, while using his titles, and pretending to be an advocate of free.Mar 21 21:25
ender2070chips_b_malroy - im on the front page of his attack site right nowMar 21 21:26
Chips_B_Malroyhe is fond of his titles tooMar 21 21:26
Chips_B_Malroyits best not to bother with this clown Lumpy, the one thing he is very good at is being a troll.Mar 21 21:27
DaemonFChttp://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/62812Mar 21 21:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CNSNews.com - Nearly One-Third of Doctors Could Leave Medicine if Health-Care Reform Bill Passes, According to Survey Reported in New England Journal of Medicine .::. Size~: 75.08 KBMar 21 21:27
schestowitzThis man's channel is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5369-OobM4Mar 21 21:28
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schestowitzender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjoMar 21 21:28
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ender2070i think he could get the trolling patentMar 21 21:29
Chips_B_Malroyender> I will tell you this, if you must exchange words with Lumpy, try to take the high roads, without namecalling.  Also, don't get mad or lose you cool.  Last, do your best to tie him to Acess and their failure.Mar 21 21:30
Chips_B_Malroyhe is not going want to talk about Acess.  Worse the failure of Acess.Mar 21 21:30
ender2070you've read my stuffMar 21 21:30
ender2070im usually very politeMar 21 21:31
Chips_B_Malroyyes, and its very goodMar 21 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyyesMar 21 21:31
DaemonFChttp://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/19/1538221/gop-officials-threaten-court-challenge.htmlMar 21 21:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GOP officials threaten court challenge to health care bill -         Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com .::. Size~: 80.7 KBMar 21 21:31
ender2070sometimes he resorts to making fun of my typos or spelling errorsMar 21 21:31
ender2070lolMar 21 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyLumpy has a way of insulting that is designed to bring out the worse in reply's.  I know thatMar 21 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyAnd he is very good at humor in his insultsMar 21 21:32
Chips_B_Malroybut then, he has had so much practice at trollingMar 21 21:32
ender2070http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/microsoft-apologists-vs-rms/Mar 21 21:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GPL and Stallman FUD Now Arriving from the Freedom-apathetic or Freedom-hostile | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 353.72 KBMar 21 21:33
ender2070has 223 commentsMar 21 21:33
ender2070i think thats the oneMar 21 21:33
_goblinright back.Mar 21 21:33
ender2070he should apply for the patentMar 21 21:33
ender2070nobody would have prior art on trollingMar 21 21:34
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Chips_B_Malroyender> it maybe two days b4 that postMar 21 21:35
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Chips_B_MalroyEnder> maybe a graph and post on Acess co ltd impending decline in cellphone software would be a good post for BN?Mar 21 21:39
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Chips_B_MalroyAfter all, that don't seem to be able to compete with google, or for that matter even Apple IphoneMar 21 21:40
Chips_B_MalroyHas Acess really ever done better than sometimes barely breaking even?  2006 to 2009, basicall when Lefty started there, according to your graph, they lost a lot of money.Mar 21 21:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Browsing the net @ Times Square, NY.Mar 21 21:42
Chips_B_MalroyOne wonders where the money is coming from?Mar 21 21:42
ender2070did you see my latest?Mar 21 21:43
ender2070android vs access linux platform?Mar 21 21:43
Chips_B_Malroylast night was thereMar 21 21:43
Chips_B_MalroynoMar 21 21:43
ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/28Mar 21 21:43
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Chips_B_Malroyu have the link?Mar 21 21:43
schestowitz"Lumpy" would fit in a parents' homeMar 21 21:44
Chips_B_Malroyender> yes now I remember, I did read itMar 21 21:44
ender2070yay netfrontMar 21 21:45
ender2070lolMar 21 21:45
ender2070sony blue-ray players are now running itMar 21 21:45
Chips_B_MalroyRoy>  Lumpy, because he reminds me of the little kid on Leave it to Beaver that was not very brightMar 21 21:45
MinceRLumpy is also the reindeer in Happy Tree FriendsMar 21 21:46
ender2070ROFLMar 21 21:46
ender2070Happy Tree Friends =)Mar 21 21:46
MinceRindeedMar 21 21:46
ender2070he might be Burnt Face ManMar 21 21:48
ender2070http://www.fat-pie.com/bfm9.htmMar 21 21:48
Chips_B_Malroyhe had suck puppets in the phonoix thread Mar 21 21:48
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Chips_B_Malroy*sockMar 21 21:49
ender2070oh, in the phoronix forums?Mar 21 21:49
ender2070miguel is there tooMar 21 21:49
Chips_B_Malroykano from kanotix, but nice post from him tooMar 21 21:49
Chips_B_Malroyanyone notice that kano has a new preview release of Kanotix on Dec27,2009?Mar 21 21:50
Chips_B_Malroyits only 32bits, 2.26.32 KDE3.5 but very niceMar 21 21:51
DaemonFCStallman minus 30 years, 150 pounds, and a beard?Mar 21 21:52
Chips_B_Malroykanotix fell of the distrowatch radar at appox 123 nowMar 21 21:53
ender2070i think miguel is yotambienMar 21 21:54
DaemonFCI should try out Pinta :PMar 21 21:54
ender2070Pinta, roflMar 21 21:55
ender2070paint.monoMar 21 21:55
DaemonFCit works on .Net too apparentlyMar 21 21:56
Chips_B_MalroyLxde is nice, and now the google summer of code might help that become a major WMMar 21 21:56
MinceRit's a DE, not just a WM :>Mar 21 21:57
Chips_B_Malroybecause if Gnome keeps going the way it is with Mono, and voting on leaving GNU, that only leaves KDE as the other majore oneMar 21 21:57
Chips_B_Malroynot that there are not othersMar 21 21:59
ender2070i already use KDeMar 21 22:00
ender2070KDEMar 21 22:00
ender2070i love itMar 21 22:00
Chips_B_Malroyme tooMar 21 22:00
MinceRmaybe there will be more than one major DE that isn't copying macosMar 21 22:00
Chips_B_Malroyit would be hard for me to use Gnome againMar 21 22:00
Chips_B_MalroyEnder> maybe should ask jono about the shuttleworth lefty connection?Mar 21 22:05
ender2070mincer - go for some windowmakerMar 21 22:05
MinceRthat's just a WMMar 21 22:05
MinceRand GNUStep is horridMar 21 22:05
*MinceR tried viewpdf.app recentlyMar 21 22:05
ender2070chips_b_malroy - lefty knew about the roy interviewMar 21 22:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SCO Cash Infusion Came from Former SCO Staff http://ur1.ca/qyu8 #baystar #yarro #utah #cowboysMar 21 22:09
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Chips_B_MalroyIceWM is very low resource for low end machinesMar 21 22:09
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MinceRthat's no DEMar 21 22:09
Chips_B_MalroytrueMar 21 22:10
Chips_B_MalroyAfterstep getting closer to itMar 21 22:10
Chips_B_MalroyXfce isMar 21 22:11
Chips_B_MalroyEnder> I liked the lumpy quote on "balanced"Mar 21 22:17
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oiaohmhttp://stop.zona-m.net/digiworld/microsoft-where-did-you-get-those-data-about-opendocument  Something for you to follow up as well schestowitzMar 21 22:18
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DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/microsoft_security_essentials_rogue/Mar 21 22:19
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DaemonFChttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/356359/security-is-priority-number-20-or-30-for-microsoftMar 21 22:21
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DaemonFChttp://www.informationweek.com/news/software/open_source/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223100713Mar 21 22:23
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DaemonFCWindows 2000 has just over 3 months to liveMar 21 22:25
Chips_B_Malroy<DaemonFC> Windows 2000 has just over 3 months to live"  For Corporations this might matter, for those at home, still running W2000, doubt it matters much Mar 21 22:29
Chips_B_Malroyyou safer with 3rd party solutions, antivirus, antimalware, running limited user, than MS updates, which all too often bork the systemMar 21 22:32
Chips_B_Malroyand removing MS middleware as completely as you can:  IE, WMP, Outlook, MessingerMar 21 22:32
_goblinChips_B_Malroy, its not just MS updates that bork the system, as BitDefender customers found out: http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/windows-7-the-trojan-bitdefender-is-spot-on/Mar 21 22:33
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Chips_B_Malroyeven safer, disable the internet on windowsMar 21 22:33
_goblinor just disable WindowsMar 21 22:33
Chips_B_Malroyand glue shuts your usb portsMar 21 22:33
_goblinthe internet is fine....its Windows which is the problem.Mar 21 22:33
Chips_B_Malroyor you could run GNU/LinuxMar 21 22:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Vice President Quits in China, Others Do Too http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/21/great-microsoft-exodus/ #midori #msn #lossMar 21 22:34
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Chips_B_MalroyGoblin> this is not the first time that an antivirus/malware has deleted system filesMar 21 22:34
Chips_B_Malroyor screwed up the regristryMar 21 22:35
Chips_B_Malroyand it won't be the last either, I predicted it hereMar 21 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Considering modding my iRiver IHP-140 mp3 player to add in a realtime clock. http://bit.ly/aaeF0WMar 21 22:36
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Chips_B_MalroyDoes Ipad really have batteries that cannot be replaced?Mar 21 22:38
MinceRindeedMar 21 22:38
MinceRit's a typical crApple productMar 21 22:38
MinceRat least not replaceable by the end-userMar 21 22:38
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ender2070chips_b_malroy - quote on balanced?Mar 21 22:39
ender2070oh from the soundboardMar 21 22:39
ender2070lolMar 21 22:39
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> as a former Windose user, I know the importance of being able to take the battery out of a laptop when it hangs badMar 21 22:39
MinceRyou doMar 21 22:39
MinceRcrApple cultists don'tMar 21 22:40
MinceRactually the point isn't taking it out when it "hangs bad"Mar 21 22:40
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MinceRthe point is being able to keep spares, to be able to use the computer while you're waiting for replacement batteries, etcMar 21 22:40
MinceRif it just hangs bad, hold down the power button :>Mar 21 22:40
ender2070yeah its more lock inMar 21 22:41
MinceRof course there are also security considerations to being able to replace the battery yourselfMar 21 22:41
Chips_B_Malroywhat this seems like to me, is Jobs has figured out a way to cut out a part, the battery sled, making it cheaper.  Plus he has figured out that now Apple will be the only ones replaceing batteries, so more income.Mar 21 22:41
MinceRhe also figured out that his cultists won't mind being screwed over yet again.Mar 21 22:42
Chips_B_MalroyFor a $500 machine, seems like Apple could spring for a removeable battery to meMar 21 22:42
MinceRcrApple is all about contempt for the userMar 21 22:42
MinceRand it's getting more and more rightful contempt all the time :>Mar 21 22:42
Chips_B_Malroyyes, so you most likely will not be able to buy a battery replacement for cheaper off ebay for the Ipad.  One would have to pay the monopoly Apple $99 plus shipping if it failed.  Of course that price will go up, and with no competition.Mar 21 22:43
Chips_B_MalroyFigure the battery and the warrenty, you can guess which ones dies first.Mar 21 22:45
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR>  Apple could be far worse than MS is they ever got that share of the market.  I said before that if Pystar lost it case (and they have) that only bad things would come of that.  Witness the lawsuits now with Apple.Mar 21 22:47
ender2070apple users dont mind paying insane cashMar 21 22:47
ender2070they are used to itMar 21 22:47
MinceRthey could be far worse than m$, but i doubt they'll ever get close to getting a greater market shareMar 21 22:48
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ender2070nat friedman said he was gonna send apple $1000 for whatever it was they were releasing, before jobs even told anyone about itMar 21 22:48
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MinceRtheir attempts to service business users were always feebleMar 21 22:48
MinceRand unsuccessfulMar 21 22:48
Chips_B_MalroyMerely because apple users do not have the malware problems of MS, which Linux users share in common with not having eitherMar 21 22:48
_goblinender2070: after seeing many collegues and their Iphones/collection of apps, Ive come to the conclusion that the average Apple customer will buy anything.Mar 21 22:48
MinceRactually afaik they do have some malware problems alreadyMar 21 22:49
MinceRand if they gain market share, that will be _much_ worseMar 21 22:49
MinceRosx is missing most modern means to mitigate malwareMar 21 22:49
_goblinI think I will tweet about that.Mar 21 22:49
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ender2070osx was always getting pwned 2 ownMar 21 22:50
ender2070the guy who keeps doing it has kept his exploits to himself for yearsMar 21 22:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After looking at a friends collection of "Iphone apps" Ive come to the conclusion that Iphone customers will buy absolutely anything. #appleMar 21 22:51
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> yes some malware problems, agreed.  and yes, Linux is safer IMO than Mac too.  But still, a very few problems compared to 4 million malware exploits and its derivatives, on Windows, is almost like saying none.Mar 21 22:51
MinceRmuch of that difference probably comes from the difference in installed baseMar 21 22:52
MinceRthen again, osx is probably not the same festering pile of vulnerabilities winblows isMar 21 22:52
Chips_B_Malroymuch of that difference come from the fact that I have never seen a home user run Windows as a limited normal user.  Only some companies I have seen do thisMar 21 22:53
MinceRyeah, they have some seriously bad practices thereMar 21 22:54
MinceRwinblows app developers among othersMar 21 22:54
MinceRthen again the security hole called "UAC" isn't helping things much eitherMar 21 22:55
Chips_B_MalroyMac is stolen, or borrowed BSD/Darwin underneath the hood, so it should be more secure than M$Mar 21 22:55
ender2070roflMar 21 22:55
ender2070im just reading stuff lumpy mentioned on BN where he said multiple times a comment might be considered "inflammatory"Mar 21 22:55
Chips_B_MalroyUAC was a bandaidMar 21 22:56
ender2070like advil!Mar 21 22:56
ender2070:)Mar 21 22:56
MinceRthey did mostly build it on stolen Mach/FreeBSD code but they touched it without clue or careMar 21 22:56
MinceRat least they did this more recently than m$ did so there's probably less cruft accumulatedMar 21 22:57
Chips_B_MalroyUAC was so M$ could say, see, we are doing something.  UAC was so only 1/3 of malware could be blocked, and M$ could try to sell OneCare.  OneCare turned out to be a failure thoughMar 21 22:57
Chips_B_MalroyMac OS9 copeland had viruses, if I remember correctlyMar 21 22:58
MinceRan often overlooked issue seems to be that there aren't many places to go to if a mac needs servicing (there's only crApple, afaik)Mar 21 22:58
Chips_B_MalroyyesMar 21 22:58
Chips_B_Malroyso that why the battery issue is a big one in the IpadMar 21 22:59
MinceRosx has viruses too, it also has virus scannersMar 21 22:59
Chips_B_Malroybut not like OS9 didMar 21 22:59
DaemonFCit'd be nice to see a Windows port of TransmissionMar 21 22:59
MinceRiirc there was that case when crApple considered recommending antivirus for osx, but realized what connotations that has and silenced itMar 21 22:59
Chips_B_MalroyOS9 I think was wide open like windersMar 21 22:59
_goblinIve had an endorsement by the Vistaretweet bot on Twitter....its proudly broadcasting my comment of :Mar 21 23:00
_goblin"XP is not bad when compared to Vista and 7, but the Windows platform pales in comparison to Linux."Mar 21 23:00
MinceRit's more like winblows 3.1 than the newer onesMar 21 23:00
MinceRcooperative multitasking and stupid stuff like thatMar 21 23:00
MinceR(then again iirc even win9x had cooperative multitasking when you were running 16bit apps)Mar 21 23:01
MinceRno memory protection eitherMar 21 23:01
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> Mac OS9 was setup as administrator out of the box, I believe, just like M$ Windows.  And had more malware problems than even IBM OS/2Mar 21 23:02
MinceRit didn't even have user accounts or access control, did it?Mar 21 23:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] How to make a million: 1. Think of a silly idea 2.Make it into an Iphone app. 3. Wait for the iphone customers money to come rolling in.Mar 21 23:03
DaemonFC_goblin: There's a few ways in which Windows 7 is preferable to Vista and XPMar 21 23:03
Chips_B_MalroyIf I am correct on this, than the MS shills that always post that Linux does not have malware because of its size are again proven wrong.  As Mac OS9 with less than 3% or 2% had malware problems tooMar 21 23:03
DaemonFCThere's a number of ways it isn'tMar 21 23:03
MinceRof course if someone who can't service computers is negligent enough to leave mission critical data on a mac and it dies he's completely at crApple's mercy to retrieve his dataMar 21 23:03
DaemonFCI'd never put it on an XP-era PC thoughMar 21 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im beginning to think now that the true brainwashed are not Windows customers, but are Iphone instead. Have you seen the lightsaber app?Mar 21 23:04
_goblinDaemonFC, The vista bot disagrees with you ;) All bow to the words of the sacred Redmond bot.Mar 21 23:04
DaemonFCThere's quite a few newer processors out there that don't even have proper drivers in XPMar 21 23:04
DaemonFCit's what happens when the processor drivers have gone 3 years without being updatedMar 21 23:04
_goblinDaemonFC, with the way windows performs would the end-user even notice?Mar 21 23:04
MinceRDaemonFC: vista7 is preferable to vista in the way vista sp2 is preferable to vista sp1Mar 21 23:04
MinceR(but only if you know enough to fix vista7's braindead default UAC configuration)Mar 21 23:05
DaemonFCneither Vista SP was real importantMar 21 23:05
DaemonFCmainly just update rollups Mar 21 23:05
MinceRvista7 is just an sp with a new name and a new skinMar 21 23:05
_goblinIve had a day with a friends Iphone today.....what utter, utter rubbish.Mar 21 23:05
DaemonFCThere's differencesMar 21 23:06
DaemonFCthere's improvements to DWM and the fault tolerant heap for exampleMar 21 23:07
Chips_B_MalroyWhat I think makes Apple evil, is the fact that Mac OS X runs on x86 pc hardware.  And only runs by adding an EFI chip that only function is DRM to make sure that you paid Apple.  This is defective by design, and not what you expect of a truly free market system.  This is what the Pystar case was all about.Mar 21 23:07
MinceR"DWM" is what Elmer Fudd saying "DRM" sounds like? :>Mar 21 23:08
DaemonFCdisplay window managerMar 21 23:09
DaemonFCthe compositorMar 21 23:09
DaemonFChttp://blocklistpro.com/latest/when-a-keygen-is-more-than-a-keygen.htmlMar 21 23:09
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DaemonFClolMar 21 23:09
MinceRkeygens should be ran sandboxed, obviously :>Mar 21 23:11
Chips_B_MalroyGoblin>  Nicholas Kolakowski over on the old MS Watch site is putting all the commentators to sleep with his excessive M$ fauwning.Mar 21 23:12
Chips_B_Malroyits like a ghost town over thereMar 21 23:12
Chips_B_MalroySo if there's no multi-tasking in the Ipad, would that also mean no copy and paste?  Seems like I believe there was some limited copy and paste or cut and paste with TSR programs even in Dos.Mar 21 23:15
Chips_B_Malroy3rd party apps of courseMar 21 23:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jerry Seinfeld Makes “Lousy Celebrity Endorsement” for #Microsoft After Reportedly Dumping Windows http://ur1.ca/qzdeMar 21 23:18
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_goblinChips_B_Malroy, its a shame, MS watch was always good for a laugh and a source of great material....remember the "Vista is loved" comment by Andre Da Costa?Mar 21 23:19
MinceRafaik they did implement copy/paste without multitasking in the hypePhoneMar 21 23:19
Chips_B_MalroyEnder>  Lumpy is not a Mint user, he was documented as using Mac OS X here on BNMar 21 23:20
Chips_B_Malroyhe only started running linux here on BN after Roy busted him on it, and I rubbed it inMar 21 23:21
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> thanks, was not sure about that, copy and pasteMar 21 23:22
MinceRwinmob7 will apparently have neither, though :>Mar 21 23:23
Chips_B_MalroyThe purpose of Winmo7, whoops I mean the "new completely redesigned from the ground up" Windows Phone 7,  seriously escaped me.  That should have been "renamed" Phone Seven.  Why continue a product that has no future?  Unless for Mar 21 23:26
Chips_B_MalroyARM SmartbooksMar 21 23:26
Chips_B_Malroycause its more than hopeless now for phonesMar 21 23:27
Chips_B_MalroyAccess has no shot now on cell phones, and Winmo has less.Mar 21 23:28
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_goblinWinmoob 7 has missed the boat even if it was great.....can it seriously compete with the established base of Android and Apple?Mar 21 23:31
Chips_B_Malroyit cannot compete with free androidMar 21 23:32
_goblinI don't think it could compete with Tomy.Mar 21 23:32
Chips_B_MalroyNot sure if Iphone can complete with free AndroidMar 21 23:34
DaemonFC"The budget office estimates that the bill would provide coverage to 32 million uninsured people, but still leave 23 million uninsured in 2019. One-third of those remaining uninsured would be illegal immigrants."Mar 21 23:35
Chips_B_MalroyApple won the Pystar case easy and fast compared to the SCO casesMar 21 23:35
DaemonFCSo people who have no legal right to be here won't be insured?Mar 21 23:35
DaemonFCAnd the problem is.......?Mar 21 23:35
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Chips_B_Malroywhich winning the Pystar case so easily, has embowded Apple to try to sue othersMar 21 23:36
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> insurance companies are the wrong way to goMar 21 23:37
DaemonFC"The bill would require many employers to offer coverage to their employees or pay a penalty."Mar 21 23:37
DaemonFCstrongly agreeMar 21 23:37
Chips_B_Malroyinsurance companies should be outlawedMar 21 23:37
DaemonFCcompanies like Walmart need to be hit by thisMar 21 23:37
DaemonFCand hit hardMar 21 23:37
MinceRwell, at least winmob7 will be able to compete with the hypePhone OS on grounds of retardednessMar 21 23:38
DaemonFCdumping their own employees on state welfare systemsMar 21 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyWalmart is already declining hereMar 21 23:38
DaemonFCthis should teach them a lessonMar 21 23:38
DaemonFC$2,000 fine per employee not offered insurance per yearMar 21 23:38
DaemonFCit's cheaper to just offer them insuranceMar 21 23:39
DaemonFCeven if it's not great insuranceMar 21 23:39
Chips_B_MalroyWalmart only does good here where they can come in as a Supercenter, where the only competition is the Standard overpriced bunch, like Albertsons, Safeway, Kroger, etcMar 21 23:39
DaemonFCWalmart is a lot like the Bill and Melinda Gates FoundationMar 21 23:40
DaemonFCtax deductible charity that doubles as advertisingMar 21 23:40
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Chips_B_Malroywhen Walmart has to separate their stores, the Mart (food) stores do very poorly hereMar 21 23:41
Chips_B_MalroybundlingMar 21 23:41
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: They don't have those hereMar 21 23:41
DaemonFCI think they only do that where local zoning laws are wickedMar 21 23:41
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Lubuntu is quite niceMar 21 23:41
Chips_B_MalroyIn California, they made them do thatMar 21 23:41
DaemonFCusually in an effort to keep them outMar 21 23:41
DaemonFCyeah, the 100,000 sq foot lawMar 21 23:41
Chips_B_Malroyand they have some here tooMar 21 23:41
DaemonFCso they designed a 99,000 sq foot mini supercenterMar 21 23:42
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> have you ever seen towns and cityMar 21 23:42
Chips_B_Malroyes that have only chain restraunts in them?Mar 21 23:43
DaemonFCwell, California is the only place so fucked up that you can make $25 an hour stocking shelvesMar 21 23:43
DaemonFCso I'd imagine that even the Walmarts out there are kind of expensiveMar 21 23:43
Chips_B_MalroyThere is usually one type of restraunt that can survive in those places as not part of a chainMar 21 23:44
DaemonFCthe cost of living is unreasonable and the state government is brokeMar 21 23:44
oiaohmOr you have to be bloodly fast DaemonFCMar 21 23:44
DaemonFCthey mail back IOUs as tax returnsMar 21 23:44
Chips_B_MalroyChinese restraunts.  Because they are usually family run, and have low cost to run them.Mar 21 23:44
oiaohmIe I am thinking fruit picking here where some people can make 50 Plus dollars per hour.  Its payed on performance.  DaemonFCMar 21 23:45
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: I guess the take home message is "If you live in California, don't have them withhold your state taxes"Mar 21 23:45
Chips_B_MalroyAnd now here and in LA, Walmart is up against the wall, as Mexican Supermarkets are kicking their butt hereMar 21 23:45
DaemonFCmust be why they brought in that Mexican guy to manage the US storesMar 21 23:46
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> I don't live in Calif, but do visit someMar 21 23:46
DaemonFCEduardo Castro-Wright I thinkMar 21 23:46
DaemonFCYeah the Mexican stores are doing good, you don't turn them over to the authoritiesMar 21 23:47
DaemonFCall of California is a Mexican colonyMar 21 23:47
Chips_B_MalroyWhile Walmart is wiping out the regular old supermarkets, the Mexican supermarkets with their specials are killing WalmartMar 21 23:47
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but a Mexican supermarket is coming your way soon in timeMar 21 23:48
DaemonFCnopeMar 21 23:49
DaemonFCIndiana makes E-Verify mandatoryMar 21 23:49
DaemonFCthere's some illegals here working under the table thoughMar 21 23:49
DaemonFCit's not a major problem like it is elsewhereMar 21 23:49
Chips_B_MalroyIt only starts here because we have more Mexicans here, but its not like you don't have any there.  At first only Mexicans might go to those stores, but the deals are there.  Walmart does not even have specials advertisedMar 21 23:49
DaemonFCWe've also made English the official languageMar 21 23:50
DaemonFCstate agencies don't have to print anything in SpanishMar 21 23:50
Chips_B_Malroyso what, this is only about food and walmartMar 21 23:51
DaemonFCwell yeah, there's some here, but you never see ICE raids that bust 400 of themMar 21 23:51
Chips_B_Malroythe mexican stores can now hire gringo's for mexican wages hereMar 21 23:51
Chips_B_Malroytoo many out of workMar 21 23:51
DaemonFCnot legallyMar 21 23:51
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Chips_B_Malroywell, I mean cheap part time no bennie wagesMar 21 23:52
DaemonFCyes, state or federal minimum wage, whichever is lowerMar 21 23:52
DaemonFCerrr, higherMar 21 23:52
DaemonFCI meanMar 21 23:52
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DaemonFCIndiana has a state minimum wage but it's just pegged to the Federal oneMar 21 23:53
Chips_B_MalroyI bet your state has causal labor laws too, being Republician mostlyMar 21 23:53
DaemonFCso we have enforcement ability tooMar 21 23:53
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Novell-rejects-Elliott-Associates-inadequate-bid-959806.html  Hmm novell staff are becoming bone heads.Mar 21 23:53
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DaemonFCas in how?Mar 21 23:53
oiaohmStock buy back reduced the number of shares Elliott has to aquire.Mar 21 23:53
Chips_B_Malroycasual labor laws let you pay some cash onlyMar 21 23:53
DaemonFCcash is legal to pay workers with, but you have to report it all the same to INDOR and the IRSMar 21 23:54
Chips_B_MalroyElliot will now go into a word of wars modeMar 21 23:54
Chips_B_Malroyhoping some white night comes in to make them a profit on their stockMar 21 23:55
Chips_B_Malroyif not, Elliot will make a very very small higher offer, telling them thats itMar 21 23:55
DaemonFCthere's plenty of temp agencies that hire you and let you call them each day to see if there's work availableMar 21 23:55
DaemonFCI've worked for oneMar 21 23:55
oiaohmEither wait for the stock to drop under the buy price so they can get 51 percent and or sell out at profit.Mar 21 23:55
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC>yesMar 21 23:55
DaemonFCit's crazy because you never know what your hours will be. They may give you 15 hours that week, but it'll usually add up to 30-40Mar 21 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyElliot will start making threats nowMar 21 23:56
DaemonFCsomething comes up, or someone calls in sickMar 21 23:56
oiaohmElliot only will go away if Novell can raise the share price enough so there planed buy ammout will not work out any more.Mar 21 23:56
Chips_B_Malroytrying to get Novell to make employee cutsMar 21 23:56
oiaohmReducing shares don't make that happen.Mar 21 23:56
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: I don't see why that wouldn't be legal in CaliforniaMar 21 23:56
DaemonFCYou're telling me that California outlawed on-call employees?Mar 21 23:57
DaemonFC;)Mar 21 23:57
Chips_B_Malroythen when the 2nd deal fall through, Elliot will eithe annoice that its planning on selling its stock or make a much lower bid than the first oneMar 21 23:58
DaemonFCoh, and you can refuse any assignment that's not on your schedule, but if you do too much of that, you won't be eating that weekMar 21 23:58
DaemonFCso most of your life is sitting at home waiting for them to call youMar 21 23:58
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> calif doesn't mess with the minorities much, its very liberalMar 21 23:59
DaemonFCyou can imagine what the turnover was likeMar 21 23:59
DaemonFCthere's somethign wrong with messing with the minorities if they're legal citizensMar 21 23:59
DaemonFCthe rest need to be rounded up and marched back to wherever Mar 21 23:59

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