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schestowitz*LOL* http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Mar-25.htmlMar 26 00:03
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schestowitzhttp://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/specialneeds/editorial_1056.shtm#2Mar 26 00:07
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schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094104575143391819054502.html?mod=googlenews_wsjMar 26 00:08
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Man Arrested for Hacking Into Obama's Twitter - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 112.48 KBMar 26 00:08
schestowitzWill a person be arrested for guessing Q or PW of random Joe?Mar 26 00:08
schestowitzSame with the Palin incident...Mar 26 00:09
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schestowitzHa.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> I saw the pingback and checked out the link.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> I don't think that hiring former MS employees is bad. There are A LOT ofMar 26 00:14
schestowitz> top notch people. The question is whether they understand free software,Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> and all that it implies.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> As for Mono, my position is: having built it, let's use it. And at leastMar 26 00:14
schestowitz> let's kill C/C++. Building something and then not using it is shootingMar 26 00:14
schestowitz> yourself in the face!Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> And signing legal documents that you won't sue over patents is a good thing.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> You are surely right on some things, and wrong on some things. So quitMar 26 00:14
schestowitz> assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is evil.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz> And Ubuntu has much bigger challenges that Mono.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitzMicrosoft man mailed meMar 26 00:14
schestowitzAnd he defends the Novell dealMar 26 00:14
schestowitzOf coutse.Mar 26 00:14
schestowitz'*courseMar 26 00:14
schestowitzI won't even bother replyingMar 26 00:14
schestowitzThey only show what a hazard they are to Free softwareMar 26 00:14
schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-aol-owned-patchs-latest-expansion-.org-sites/Mar 26 00:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New excellent Facebook script: Fluff Busting Purity, apparently. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100324/1806018708.shtmlMar 26 00:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My QA/Community Videocast: Now Weekly - http://is.gd/aZpQl #ubuntuMar 26 00:26
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:                   My Q+A/Community Videocast: Now Weekly | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 25.79 KBMar 26 00:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu Around The World: KanchiLUG - http://is.gd/aZpY1 #ubuntuMar 26 00:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh, man. for $17, what *couldn't* you do with these. http://is.gd/aZpYR suggestions please!Mar 26 00:28
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cubezzzheh, Microsoft is feelin' the heat from boycottnovell :)Mar 26 00:28
schestowitzhttp://www.inthemoneystocks.com/n_rant_and_rave_blog_single.php?id=6475Mar 26 00:31
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sebsebsebcubezzz: Are they?  Links?Mar 26 00:31
schestowitzcubezzz: no, I know the personMar 26 00:31
schestowitzWe corresponded beforeMar 26 00:31
schestowitzMicrosoft's "infiltrations" are trying to change what Linux isMar 26 00:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] See this site: "A collection of links and pointers for those falsely accused by ACS LAW " http://acsbore.wordpress.com/ #tpb #p2pMar 26 00:34
cubezzzhehMar 26 00:34
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:  Received a letter from ACS LAW? .::. Size~: 58.12 KBMar 26 00:34
schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2010/03/installing-ubuntu-linux-on-netbook.htmlMar 26 00:34
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Installing Ubuntu Linux on a Netbook | TechSource .::. Size~: 119.44 KBMar 26 00:34
cubezzzyou just can't trust them schestowitzMar 26 00:34
cubezzzthe employees all toe the lineMar 26 00:35
schestowitzLegal bullies ^^^Mar 26 00:35
schestowitzThey think that because they have more money they *are* the lawMar 26 00:35
schestowitzMicrosoft uses ACT as a front in Europe for swpatsMar 26 00:35
schestowitzSo then it can call it competition "illegal" in EuropeMar 26 00:35
schestowitzBunch of bullies.Mar 26 00:35
cubezzzschestowitz, wikipedia even talks about the computer theft under "Bill Gates"Mar 26 00:35
_goblinschestowitz: I think in some of the cases its slightly different....Mar 26 00:35
_goblinschestowitz: with adult material I bet most of the "accused" would simply pay up.Mar 26 00:36
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/commodore_64_redux/Mar 26 00:36
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Commodore 64 reincarnated as quad-core Ubuntu box • The Register .::. Size~: 30.71 KBMar 26 00:36
_goblinschestowitz: however.....Mar 26 00:36
_goblinschestowitz: Im going to have a look at a little legislation regarding indecent material, the BBFC and regulations regarding the distribution of "adult" material.....Mar 26 00:37
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/terminate-copyright-scofflaws/Mar 26 00:37
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: ACTA Draft: No Internet for Copyright Scofflaws | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 88.43 KBMar 26 00:37
cubezzzwhaaaaat? :)Mar 26 00:37
_goblinschestowitz: I have a theory that should the adult material not be authorised for sale in the UK (either by being indecent or by not having a BBFC classification) I cannot see how a UK Civil case can be put together....Mar 26 00:38
_goblinits a little like....Mar 26 00:38
_goblintrying to get an unemployed drug dealer (who claims benefits) charged with fraudMar 26 00:38
_goblinyou just can't do it....Mar 26 00:38
_goblinhe/she must be gainfully employed....Mar 26 00:38
cubezzzyeah I saw that on a german web page earlier todayMar 26 00:39
cubezzzthere's nothing c64 about it Mar 26 00:39
_goblinI am betting that there would be something similar in respect of UK law, how can a loss be claimed in a UK civil court if the material is not allowed to be distributed there anyway.Mar 26 00:39
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/24/us_under_cyber_threat/Mar 26 00:45
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: FBI cyber cop says 'very existence' of US under threat • The Register .::. Size~: 23.55 KBMar 26 00:45
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schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODEwMQMar 26 00:49
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: [Phoronix] Woah, AMD Releases OpenGL 4.0 Linux Support! .::. Size~: 16.64 KBMar 26 00:49
schestowitzWhat a bizarre post: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6087Mar 26 00:51
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Apple brand or Google reputation | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 129.99 KBMar 26 00:51
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6103Mar 26 00:52
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: IBM on antitrust defense in Europe | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 104.76 KBMar 26 00:52
schestowitz"intellectual property "Mar 26 00:52
schestowitzWhat the heck is intellectual property?Mar 26 00:53
schestowitzWas it trademarks?Mar 26 00:53
schestowitzDeception?Mar 26 00:53
schestowitzCopyright violation?Mar 26 00:53
schestowitzHardware patents?Mar 26 00:53
schestowitzThey won't sayMar 26 00:53
schestowitzStupid people use terms that don't existMar 26 00:53
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfMar 26 00:54
cubezzzwell the terms exist but they are vagueMar 26 00:58
schestowitzMozilla drops Windows Mobile because it no longer mattersMar 26 01:00
schestowitzGoogle's expansion is worrisomeMar 26 01:00
Ender2070LOLMar 26 01:01
Ender2070Google +1Mar 26 01:01
Ender2070I hope they take over the world, they actually make stuffMar 26 01:01
schestowitzNoMar 26 01:01
schestowitzThey have down-sidesMar 26 01:01
Ender2070microsoft buys people who work on stuff, they leave and the product decaysMar 26 01:02
schestowitzWhich are too many to start listing hereMar 26 01:02
Ender2070bahMar 26 01:02
schestowitzDon't put your eggs in a basket of shareholdersMar 26 01:02
cubezzzof course notMar 26 01:02
schestowitzDon't be like Apple fanaticsMar 26 01:02
cubezzzthat's why I'm looking for RISC desktopMar 26 01:02
*WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-awayMar 26 01:02
cubezzzand it's not easy to findMar 26 01:02
Ender2070trueMar 26 01:02
schestowitzRISC is not a companyMar 26 01:02
schestowitzBut the patents.......Mar 26 01:02
Ender2070but im gonna wait till ms is a rotting corpse before I re-aimMar 26 01:03
schestowitzMSFT is not the endMar 26 01:04
schestowitzMicrosoft is already decaying and it knows itMar 26 01:04
schestowitzBut watch what the Apple 'elites' doMar 26 01:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Truth In Pictures - http://is.gd/aZs3w #metallica #comedygoldMar 26 01:04
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:                   Truth In Pictures | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 25.32 KBMar 26 01:04
Ender2070im really only worried about microsofts deathMar 26 01:04
cubezzzI prefer Sparc Elites :)Mar 26 01:04
Ender2070cant fight too many battlesMar 26 01:04
schestowitzThat's misguidedMar 26 01:04
schestowitzWe need to end the phenomenonMar 26 01:05
schestowitzNot the companyMar 26 01:05
schestowitzI used to defend you positionMar 26 01:05
schestowitzBut it's a stuggle against proprietary softwareMar 26 01:05
schestowitzIt breed abuseMar 26 01:05
cubezzzno mono culture is my mottoMar 26 01:05
schestowitzApple fans are "anything but Microsoft"Mar 26 01:05
Ender2070once microsoft is downMar 26 01:05
Ender2070all others will come with itMar 26 01:05
schestowitzGNU was made to substitute not just MicrosoftMar 26 01:05
schestowitzEnder2070: noMar 26 01:05
schestowitzflaseMar 26 01:06
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schestowitz*falseMar 26 01:06
Ender2070they will see that our freedom is stronger than MicrosoftMar 26 01:06
schestowitzjono: what do you think?Mar 26 01:06
schestowitz:-pMar 26 01:06
cubezzzIntel is a rather bad almost-monopolyMar 26 01:06
Ender2070too bad amd won't fight that oneMar 26 01:06
schestowitzYesMar 26 01:06
Ender2070they took their money to shut upMar 26 01:06
schestowitzAnd Intel abused LinuxMar 26 01:06
schestowitzWHen it didn't sell expensive Intel h/wMar 26 01:06
Ender2070Intel now adopts linuxMar 26 01:06
Ender2070which is funnyMar 26 01:06
schestowitzIntel works for people's wallet to be emptied for stuff they don't needMar 26 01:07
schestowitzThey need to buy chips over and over againMar 26 01:07
cubezzzSparc is a lot betterMar 26 01:07
cubezzzbut it seems Sparc is dead...?Mar 26 01:07
schestowitzcubezzz: it's not :-Mar 26 01:07
schestowitzCuase it won't run win32 proggiesMar 26 01:07
Ender2070some people would be fine with ARM evenMar 26 01:07
schestowitzMicrosoft needs to defend x86Mar 26 01:07
Ender2070if it werent for intel and amd's cold warMar 26 01:07
schestowitzWithout it, the app 'ecosystem' collapses for MicrosoftMar 26 01:08
cubezzzrightMar 26 01:08
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schestowitzAnyway, here's my view...Mar 26 01:08
schestowitzFind the behaviour that's corruptMar 26 01:08
schestowitzBe it swpays, patent trolls, or dumping from abusive monopolyMar 26 01:08
schestowitzThen map who's behind themMar 26 01:09
Ender2070thats fine for youMar 26 01:09
schestowitzRight now Microsoft is a leader in all areasMar 26 01:09
Ender2070for me i want to see ms dead #1Mar 26 01:09
schestowitzBut it could be inherited by anotherMar 26 01:09
cubezzzI'm buying a used Sparc system for sure, but i just need to do more research on them firstMar 26 01:09
schestowitzWhat would that gain?Mar 26 01:09
Ender2070revenge?Mar 26 01:09
schestowitzEnder2070: would you sleep better at night?Mar 26 01:09
Ender2070yesMar 26 01:09
schestowitzWill your computer work better?Mar 26 01:09
Ender2070i would sleep betterMar 26 01:09
Ender2070my pc would work better tooMar 26 01:09
schestowitzEnder2070: what about Hollywood?Mar 26 01:09
schestowitzAnd ACTAMar 26 01:09
Ender2070those are other peoples fightsMar 26 01:10
schestowitzThere are other gangsters out thereMar 26 01:10
cubezzzno, _my_ computer works great now :)Mar 26 01:10
schestowitzToday I had a chat in the gym about ChinaMar 26 01:10
schestowitzThey'll buy out many US firmsMar 26 01:10
Ender2070what about the world bankersMar 26 01:10
schestowitzAnd the UK, the US' little buddy, will be impacted by itMar 26 01:10
Ender2070what about carbon creditsMar 26 01:10
Ender2070etcMar 26 01:10
Ender2070gotta pick and choose your battlesMar 26 01:10
schestowitzBN has a special section for bankersMar 26 01:11
schestowitz"Finance"Mar 26 01:11
schestowitzI try to touch more than just softwareMar 26 01:11
schestowitzThough I don't know how much it's liked by readersMar 26 01:11
Ender2070meh everyone is differentMar 26 01:11
schestowitzhttp://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2010-March/008218.htmlMar 26 01:12
schestowitzToday I listened to a Guido interviewMar 26 01:12
Ender2070i have my own agenda, i dont hide it, i dont like microsoft. my life will improve without them around.Mar 26 01:12
schestowitzHe's not all that brilliant, TBHMar 26 01:12
Ender2070the other stuff ill worry about as a side issueMar 26 01:12
schestowitzNice work he did though, based on ABCMar 26 01:12
jono_Ender2070, your life would be more expensiveMar 26 01:12
schestowitzThey refactored pythonMar 26 01:12
schestowitzTo make up for bad designMar 26 01:12
jono_MS is a huge company, if they disappears it would screw the economyMar 26 01:12
Ender2070jono_ the US economyMar 26 01:13
jono_the global economyMar 26 01:13
schestowitzjono_: LOLMar 26 01:13
Ender2070the money would have to go somewhere, btwMar 26 01:13
schestowitzYou joke,, right?Mar 26 01:13
jono_Ender2070, MS is not all bad, they make some dumb decisions, but if they vanished we would lose some thingsMar 26 01:13
schestowitzThat's Hollywood 'logic'Mar 26 01:13
jono_I agree with schestowitz - this is not just about one companyMar 26 01:13
schestowitz"The sky will fall if Britney can't sing!!!"Mar 26 01:13
jono_it is about a culture of restrictive rules for which MS is one companyMar 26 01:14
Ender2070if i was obama I would rob microsoftMar 26 01:14
schestowitz"OMG! What would kids listen to?!?!"Mar 26 01:14
Ender2070take all their money, that would pay for the healthcareMar 26 01:14
Ender2070:)Mar 26 01:14
Ender2070bamMar 26 01:14
jono_schestowitz a lot of great research is done my MSMar 26 01:14
schestowitzjono_: that remark about the economy was sillyMar 26 01:14
jono_I disagreeMar 26 01:14
schestowitzReminds me of the story of Big BanksMar 26 01:14
Ender2070nothing of any good comes from MicrosoftMar 26 01:14
jono_you honestly think that removing a large corp would not affect the economyMar 26 01:14
Ender2070nothing but lock inMar 26 01:14
schestowitzAnd how they stole thousand of $$ from YOU, jono_Mar 26 01:14
jono_look what happened with the recent economic meltdown and the banksMar 26 01:14
schestowitz*thousandsMar 26 01:14
schestowitzYou'll pay them in yars to comeMar 26 01:15
jono_rightMar 26 01:15
schestowitzGoldman Sachs just took 23 bilion in bonusesMar 26 01:15
jono_anyway, just my 0.02cMar 26 01:15
jono_I am out nowMar 26 01:15
jono_:)Mar 26 01:15
schestowitzTo reard themselves for the wonderful workMar 26 01:15
schestowitzAnd for yout bailoutMar 26 01:15
Ender2070jono_ - they are holding onto money that could be going elsewhereMar 26 01:15
schestowitz*rwwardMar 26 01:15
schestowitz*rewardMar 26 01:15
Ender2070jono_ - its just collecting interest as they waste it on paying off people like canonical to include yahoo/bingMar 26 01:15
schestowitzFaulty logic there with banksMar 26 01:16
schestowitzBanks SHOT THEMSELVES downMar 26 01:16
schestowitzAnd then sought rescue moneyMar 26 01:16
schestowitzNo analogy can be made here to MicrosoftMar 26 01:16
schestowitzTotally different thingsMar 26 01:16
Ender2070lol microsoft is like the liberal government, thinking it can spend its way out of recessionMar 26 01:16
schestowitzMaybe Microsoft will pay back the debtMar 26 01:17
schestowitzOne day.Mar 26 01:17
Ender2070via taxesMar 26 01:17
Ender2070higher taxes on our pc'sMar 26 01:17
schestowitzNoMar 26 01:17
schestowitz"Internet tax"Mar 26 01:17
schestowitzPay Microsoft to try and figure out how to fix the Windows zombies pandemicMar 26 01:17
Ender2070"it uses the name internet, which is owned by us"Mar 26 01:17
cubezzzwe already pay GST on internetMar 26 01:17
schestowitzCharneyMar 26 01:17
schestowitzThis is a company of crooks who actually have former employees in the govt.Mar 26 01:18
schestowitzCHarney is from US DOJMar 26 01:18
schestowitzNow MicrosoftMar 26 01:18
cubezzzMicrosoft is just ineptMar 26 01:18
cubezzzreallyMar 26 01:18
schestowitzAnd he wants to tax Mac and Linux users, for Microsoft's sheer negligenceMar 26 01:18
cubezzzhow?Mar 26 01:18
Ender2070microsoft donates to canada, and nobody will followup anti trust charges on themMar 26 01:18
schestowitzGates owns the Canadian governemntMar 26 01:18
schestowitzhe works with them and gave them $2 bn in investmentsMar 26 01:19
Ender2070cubezzz - i filed a report against microsoftMar 26 01:19
schestowitzBut don't worryMar 26 01:19
schestowitzMost Canadians are not awareMar 26 01:19
schestowitzAnd they think Gates is giving away moneyMar 26 01:19
schestowitzThe poor guy only made $13bn last yearMar 26 01:19
Ender2070cubezzz - with the competition bureauMar 26 01:19
schestowitzHe's not even 'working', just 'donating'Mar 26 01:19
schestowitzCorpotition?Mar 26 01:20
schestowitzAnd who's on panel?Mar 26 01:20
cubezzzMicrosoft donates what to Canada?Mar 26 01:20
schestowitzRevolving door w/ industry, like FTC?Mar 26 01:20
cubezzzsoftware?Mar 26 01:20
schestowitzWith Deborah Majoras and her husband defending their clients?Mar 26 01:21
schestowitzcubezzz: see BN posts about itMar 26 01:21
schestowitzAlso I have some in my site: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:schestowitz.com+canada&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBMar 26 01:21
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schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+canada&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBMar 26 01:22
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schestowitzMaybe you can judge quickly from the headlinesMar 26 01:22
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/tokyo-stock-exchange-executes-millisecond-trading-with-new-system-based-on-red-hat-enterprise-linux-2010-03-22?reflink=MW_news_stmpMar 26 01:23
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Tokyo Stock Exchange Executes Millisecond Trading with New System Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 74.9 KBMar 26 01:23
schestowitzWow.Mar 26 01:24
schestowitzI hadn't replied to that MSFT guy...Mar 26 01:24
schestowitzAnd on he shoots another E-mail my way. He wrote:Mar 26 01:24
cubezzzRHT dropped almost 6% todayMar 26 01:24
schestowitz> I don't know how long you've been using Linux, but I don't plan onMar 26 01:24
schestowitz> waiting around 10 years for it to take off. You might not care aboutMar 26 01:24
schestowitz> doing things efficiently, but I do.Mar 26 01:24
schestowitz> Mar 26 01:24
schestowitz> It is absolutely ridiculous that an army of millions is losing to anMar 26 01:24
schestowitz> army of thousands. So I have thought a lot about the topic of how to goMar 26 01:24
schestowitz> faster. And that is why I think the idea of discarding Mono merelyMar 26 01:24
schestowitz> because of patent FUD is a bad idea. Anyway, I also support Python.Mar 26 01:25
schestowitz> Mar 26 01:25
schestowitz> So just remember that there are people with different opinions than youMar 26 01:25
schestowitz> on the same side!Mar 26 01:25
schestowitz> Mar 26 01:25
schestowitz> Friendly regards,Mar 26 01:25
schestowitz> Mar 26 01:25
schestowitzYou might not care aboutMar 26 01:25
schestowitz[01:24] <schestowitz> > doing things efficiently, but I do.Mar 26 01:25
schestowitz--former MSFTerMar 26 01:25
cubezzzformer :)Mar 26 01:25
schestowitzWho defends the Novell dealMar 26 01:25
cubezzztotal bullshit thoughMar 26 01:25
schestowitz> And signing legal documents that you won't sue over patents is a good thing.Mar 26 01:25
cubezzzI maintain quite a number of computers, and it's always the doze ones that seem to breakMar 26 01:25
schestowitzTranslation: Microsoft should get a Novell-like deal with MSFTMar 26 01:26
cubezzzso much for "efficiency"Mar 26 01:26
schestowitz"Let's have patent peace"Mar 26 01:26
schestowitzAnd this guy is contacting ShuttleworthMar 26 01:26
schestowitzPushing this nonsense to themMar 26 01:26
cubezzzthe Linux design, whilte not perfect is better than dozeMar 26 01:26
schestowitzIt's like lobbying that I think would mislead themMar 26 01:26
schestowitzLike it did Linspire, after they pressured that Kevin Carmony stoogeMar 26 01:27
schestowitzThe Xandros stooge got caught in some fraud, IIRCMar 26 01:27
cubezzzthat's what's so great about LinuxMar 26 01:27
cubezzzso many incarnations :)Mar 26 01:27
schestowitz" I don't know how long you've been using Linux, but I don't plan..."Mar 26 01:28
schestowitzTranslation: move over, RoyMar 26 01:28
schestowitzI, former Microsoft manager, will take it from hereMar 26 01:28
cubezzzit's taken off already thoughMar 26 01:28
schestowitz"I will save Linux and do it my way"Mar 26 01:28
cubezzzwhat's he talking about?Mar 26 01:28
_goblinor not at allMar 26 01:28
cubezzzthis isn't 1994 :)Mar 26 01:28
schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/03/19/software-patents/Mar 26 01:29
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: tecosystems » Why I Am Against Software Patents .::. Size~: 65.33 KBMar 26 01:29
cubezzzMicrosoft guys care only about one thing: money + controlMar 26 01:29
schestowitzThey applied for a job thereMar 26 01:29
cubezzzthey are shallow as a general ruleMar 26 01:29
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/17/choice-versus-condition/Mar 26 01:29
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Nobody is Born a Microsoft Employee | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.07 KBMar 26 01:29
_goblinTo be honest, I don't know much about Linspire, but what I will say is that regardless of what Microsoft is or isn't doing, people can't escape the fact that Microsoft needs money to survive and users choosing Linux or a FOSS ethos is NOT going to make them money.Mar 26 01:30
_goblin(Make Microsoft money, that is)Mar 26 01:30
_goblinI don't see why people find that so hard to accept and insist on Microsoft being a "friend" of FOSS.Mar 26 01:31
cubezzzI don'tMar 26 01:31
cubezzzI don't expect Microsoft to be a friend in any wayMar 26 01:31
_goblinIf I start growing apples and give them away to my nieghbours, my local store sells less apples and wont be happy....thats a similar example.Mar 26 01:32
schestowitzhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/330Mar 26 01:32
schestowitz"I’m not sure we’ll go as far as Microsoft has with their new Windows Phone 7 UI (links to .PPTX),"Mar 26 01:32
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Mark Shuttleworth  » Blog Archive   » Less is more. But still less. .::. Size~: 35.24 KBMar 26 01:32
schestowitzWhy is Shuttleworth linking to OOXML files?Mar 26 01:32
schestowitzAnd why is he looking at WIndows?Mar 26 01:32
cubezzz???Mar 26 01:32
_goblinMaybe the same reason Joe Shields seems to be promoting games software thats primarily for the Windows platform.Mar 26 01:32
cubezzzpeople give away information for free all the timeMar 26 01:33
_goblinhe's on an assasins creed phase at the moment.Mar 26 01:33
cubezzzweb pages?Mar 26 01:33
cubezzz;-)Mar 26 01:33
cubezzzdon't compare apples and digital informationMar 26 01:33
schestowitzhttp://www.internetling.com/2010/03/25/things-i-hate-about-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-beta/Mar 26 01:33
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Things I Hate About Ubuntu 10.04, Lucid Lynx (beta) | Internetling .::. Size~: 35.3 KBMar 26 01:33
_goblincubezzz, I was doing it in the spirit of "property" and monetary gain.Mar 26 01:34
schestowitz_goblin: got link?Mar 26 01:34
_goblinits on Twitter....he's been doing it for months.Mar 26 01:34
_goblinhe's blocked me after he made a fool of himself on his "C" word rant.Mar 26 01:34
_goblinof course I will bring that up with any mainstream publication he gets exposure on.Mar 26 01:34
cubezzz"C" word?Mar 26 01:35
_goblinC*ntMar 26 01:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Planning For 10.10: Growing Our Translations Community - http://is.gd/aZulr #ubuntuMar 26 01:35
cubezzzoh :)Mar 26 01:35
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:                   Planning For 10.10: Growing Our Translations Community | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 27.03 KBMar 26 01:35
_goblinaimed at me.Mar 26 01:35
_goblinand then had the nerve to say I was a blight on opensource.Mar 26 01:35
cubezzzrather nasty of himMar 26 01:35
_goblinbecause of course everyone who is a true FOSS advocate and contributor says the C word.Mar 26 01:36
_goblinI wrote a whole article on it.Mar 26 01:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @grantbow: Ubuntu Global Jam Event with @jonobacon Tomorrow, Friday in Berkeley, CA near Rockridge BART - http://is.gd/aV1Tg #ubuntuMar 26 01:36
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:                   Ubuntu Global Jam This Friday: Rockridge, California | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 26.64 KBMar 26 01:36
cubezzzsome FOSS people are uncivilMar 26 01:36
_goblinthis was vulgar and childishMar 26 01:36
_goblineven his girlfriend butted in and told him off for his language.Mar 26 01:36
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_goblinit would have been funny if it wasnt so vulgarMar 26 01:37
_goblincubezzz: I think the term is "some people" are uncivil....Joe Shields represents FOSS no more than Roy does the World Wrestling Federation.Mar 26 01:38
Ender2070what the fuck is the world wrestling federation?Mar 26 01:39
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yuhongOn UAC vs sudo, here is a thread on slashdot.Mar 26 01:40
cubezzzwell on the good news side, I'm working almost exclusively on Linux nowMar 26 01:40
Ender2070nobody caresMar 26 01:40
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591162&cid=31580104Mar 26 01:40
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Comments | Open Source Is Not a Democracy .::. Size~: 41.92 KBMar 26 01:40
cubezzzand helping my customers do the sameMar 26 01:40
yuhongcubezzz: I have finished my course that needed Office 2007, so I can spend more time on Linux now too.Mar 26 01:40
cubezzz;-)Mar 26 01:41
Ender2070yuhong - was that a TE course?Mar 26 01:41
cubezzzI'm glad I never needed to use Office at schoolMar 26 01:41
yuhongNo.Mar 26 01:41
yuhongIt was an ordinary college course.Mar 26 01:41
cubezzzwe did CP/M and Mince :)Mar 26 01:42
Ender2070an ordinary microsoft college course?Mar 26 01:42
Ender2070(TM)Mar 26 01:42
yuhongYes.Mar 26 01:42
cubezzzughMar 26 01:42
Ender2070thats ugh(TM)Mar 26 01:42
yuhongNot a MS course, but a course that teaches MS software.Mar 26 01:42
Ender2070why would you take a course on office 2007Mar 26 01:43
Ender2070thats like taking a glass eating courseMar 26 01:43
yuhongI would not go that far.Mar 26 01:43
*cubezzz starts chokingMar 26 01:43
Ender2070i would rather eat glass, than use office 2007Mar 26 01:43
Ender2070office 2007 is satanMar 26 01:43
cubezzzDude, you are getting pretty extreme :)Mar 26 01:44
yuhongI liked the ribbon so far.Mar 26 01:44
yuhongPersonally I liked the ribbon so far.Mar 26 01:44
Ender2070nostradamus predicted the antichrist, office 2007Mar 26 01:44
cubezzzyeah well I've hated Microsoft longer than you guys :)Mar 26 01:44
Ender2070nooooooMar 26 01:44
yuhongI am glad it is now finished though.Mar 26 01:44
yuhongI can spend more time in Linux now.Mar 26 01:45
Ender2070yes yesMar 26 01:45
Ender2070get fedora and ownMar 26 01:45
Ender2070ubuntu is a puppet for teh devilz (m$)Mar 26 01:45
cubezzzyou need to switch to LFS and clam down :)Mar 26 01:46
yuhongI know, not nearly as bad as Novell though.Mar 26 01:46
cubezzzcalm evenMar 26 01:46
schestowitzI think the only site where I comment now is TuxMachines. Glad to be helping TuxMachines, my favourite site.Mar 26 01:46
Ender2070clam down!Mar 26 01:46
Ender2070+1Mar 26 01:46
schestowitzclams...Mar 26 01:46
schestowitzEnjoy them before they go extinctMar 26 01:46
Ender2070they wont go extinct noobMar 26 01:46
cubezzzyou missed the might LGP drm warsMar 26 01:46
cubezzzmightyMar 26 01:46
schestowitzEnder2070 has no problem with having 9 billion of our species in 20 yarsMar 26 01:46
schestowitz*yearsMar 26 01:47
Ender2070dudeMar 26 01:47
yuhongOn Mono, here is a slashdot post:Mar 26 01:47
yuhonghttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/1331255/De-Icaza-Says-Microsoft-Has-Shot-NET-Ecosystem-In-FootMar 26 01:47
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | De Icaza Says Microsoft Has Shot .NET Ecosystem In Foot .::. Size~: 164.26 KBMar 26 01:47
Ender2070you don't think the elite haven't sequenced the dna of their favorite foods???Mar 26 01:47
Ender2070duhMar 26 01:47
schestowitzHumans make the 6th mass extinction that we know ofMar 26 01:47
cubezzzI have to say I don't like clams :)Mar 26 01:47
schestowitzAnd we don't even need asteroids, ice ages, or floodsMar 26 01:47
Ender2070there are 3 arks alreadyMar 26 01:47
cubezzzI don't eat themMar 26 01:48
yuhongI am staying with Ubuntu and moving to 10.04 when the time comes.Mar 26 01:48
schestowitzMotorola makes clamsMar 26 01:48
schestowitzThey run LinuxMar 26 01:48
schestowitzAnd called 'clams' for their designMar 26 01:48
Ender2070there are already 3 arks which contain the ability to repopulate animal speciesMar 26 01:48
schestowitzNoMar 26 01:48
Ender2070they are already giving consumers cloned animal productsMar 26 01:48
schestowitzDiversityMar 26 01:48
cubezzzthere's clam-shell zaurusesMar 26 01:48
schestowitzYou need DNA diversityMar 26 01:48
cubezzzzauriiMar 26 01:49
yuhonghttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/2350236/Can-Ubuntu-Save-Online-BankingMar 26 01:49
schestowitzTo sustain problemsMar 26 01:49
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Linux Story | Can Ubuntu Save Online Banking? .::. Size~: 130.86 KBMar 26 01:49
yuhongAnother slashdot.Mar 26 01:49
Ender2070they sequence many thenMar 26 01:49
Ender2070duhMar 26 01:49
schestowitzI have to admitMar 26 01:49
schestowitzSince 2008 /. cleaned up a bitMar 26 01:49
Ender2070i dont buy extinction anymoreMar 26 01:49
cubezzzwhat's wrong with online banking that needs saving?Mar 26 01:49
Ender2070they have the technologyMar 26 01:49
schestowitzTheir stories are not as bad as those that made me dump itMar 26 01:49
cubezzzEnder2070, passener pigeon? Dodo? :)Mar 26 01:49
cubezzzyou still see those? :)Mar 26 01:49
Ender2070probably in my lifetimeMar 26 01:50
schestowitzMammothsMar 26 01:50
cubezzzyou got Dodo DNA?Mar 26 01:50
Ender2070if they've found DNA for themMar 26 01:50
schestowitzThey still live until around year 0Mar 26 01:50
schestowitz*livedMar 26 01:50
schestowitzNear CanadaMar 26 01:50
schestowitzNow we just have good fossilsMar 26 01:50
cubezzzI'm going to start selling Dodo t-shirts with the word "MIcrosoft" on the birdMar 26 01:50
schestowitzThere are also the 'original' oxenMar 26 01:50
schestowitzNot he domesticated onesMar 26 01:50
schestowitzThey went extinct quite recentlyMar 26 01:51
yuhongIn fact, recently a Boycott Novell story made Slashdot, thinks Ender2070 for submitting it.Mar 26 01:51
schestowitzcubezzz: noMar 26 01:51
Ender2070:)Mar 26 01:51
schestowitzThat'd be "doodoo"Mar 26 01:51
Ender2070was supposed to be my site tho :(Mar 26 01:51
yuhonghttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/09/2159245/Jeff-Jaffe-Named-CEO-of-W3CMar 26 01:51
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot News Story | Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 148.41 KBMar 26 01:51
_goblinender2070: Ok WWE now...World Wrestling EntertainmentMar 26 01:51
schestowitzMeh.Mar 26 01:51
Ender2070_goblin - ;)Mar 26 01:51
yuhongIn case you hasn't seen it.Mar 26 01:52
schestowitzKids' showMar 26 01:52
_goblinRoy....Mar 26 01:52
schestowitzStaged showMar 26 01:52
schestowitzGuys with grease slapping each otherMar 26 01:52
schestowitzHave fun.......Mar 26 01:52
_goblinsounds like a MVP convention.Mar 26 01:52
Ender2070the headline was supposed to be "There go our web standards...."Mar 26 01:52
schestowitz_goblin: yesMar 26 01:52
schestowitzBallmer picks up the chairMar 26 01:52
cubezzzdon't mess with King Kong Bundy :)Mar 26 01:52
schestowitzIs that guy whose name sounds like Gorilla Monsoon still around?Mar 26 01:53
_goblinooh....he's old schoolMar 26 01:53
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schestowitzHahaMar 26 01:53
schestowitzKing Kong BundyMar 26 01:53
schestowitzI forgot about him....Mar 26 01:53
Ender2070someone should make a double dragon-esque video game where you use balmer and you beat people up with chairsMar 26 01:53
_goblinIm sure theres one on the Iphone apps.Mar 26 01:53
_goblinmade by Jobs himself.Mar 26 01:53
schestowitzhttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=King+Kong+Bundy&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&start=0Mar 26 01:54
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: King Kong Bundy - Google Search .::. Size~: 54.41 KBMar 26 01:54
cubezzzBallmer Kong :)Mar 26 01:54
_goblinHulk Ballmer?Mar 26 01:54
_goblinwhat aboutMar 26 01:54
_goblinBulk BallmerMar 26 01:54
cubezzzhahahaMar 26 01:54
cubezzzsounds pretty grossMar 26 01:55
_goblinI think though he's more of a DoinkMar 26 01:55
cubezzzSweaty BMar 26 01:55
schestowitz"Mar 26 01:55
schestowitzAVG is also offering a version of the Rescue CD for Linux-based PCs.Mar 26 01:55
schestowitzhttp://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsId=3218358Mar 26 01:55
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: AVG offers free emergency boot CD News - PC Advisor .::. Size~: 71.27 KBMar 26 01:55
_goblinI like that....Mar 26 01:55
_goblinSweaty B....Mar 26 01:55
schestowitzcubezzz: that's not grossMar 26 01:56
schestowitzthe "7" edition of it isMar 26 01:56
schestowitz7 wafers of BulkMar 26 01:56
cubezzzdon't forget the windows 7 whopper :)Mar 26 01:56
_goblinfunnily enough...there's a WWE wrestler at the moment called MVPMar 26 01:56
schestowitzIt attached itself to your stomach like a cancerMar 26 01:56
_goblinBallmers finishing move......Mar 26 01:56
cubezzzbig and bloated, a true metaphor for dozeMar 26 01:57
_goblinthe Proprietary piledriverMar 26 01:57
schestowitz_goblin: no no, not the chairMar 26 01:57
_goblinorMar 26 01:57
_goblinPatent PiledriverMar 26 01:57
_goblinthe closed source suplexMar 26 01:57
schestowitzHe calls his DinkMar 26 01:57
schestowitzMyhrvoldMar 26 01:57
schestowitzHe has 1000 other dinks to sue you by proxyMar 26 01:57
schestowitzLike 1000 small needlesMar 26 01:57
Ender2070oh wow yuhongMar 26 01:58
Ender2070lol people on slashdot mentioned meMar 26 01:58
_goblinRoy, have you noticed everytime there is a wrestling PPV on, I manage to degerate your chat room into a wrestling channel? ;)Mar 26 01:58
Ender2070"He hangs out on their chat room as "ender270" and is currently in the middle of a legal dispute with David Schlesinger, one of the members of the GNOME board of directors - who incidentally was also attacked by BoycottNovell - subsequently the proprietor "Dr." Schestowitz was forced to issue an apology [boycottnovell.com] for that."Mar 26 01:58
Ender2070im not in the middle of any legal dispute, lolzMar 26 01:58
schestowitzhttp://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2010/03/ibm-partners-to-offer-190-clou.phpMar 26 01:59
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:   IBM Partners To Offer $190 Cloud-Connected Netbook For Emerging Markets - ReadWriteEnterprise .::. Size~: 48.86 KBMar 26 01:59
schestowitzWow! 'Ccccccccccloud'Mar 26 01:59
_goblinWhat legal dispute with Lefty?Mar 26 01:59
Ender2070exactlyMar 26 01:59
schestowitzYou're feeding the trolls nowMar 26 01:59
schestowitzhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue218Mar 26 02:00
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_goblinI think Lefty's biggest problem is that he tends to open mouth and then engage brain.Mar 26 02:00
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schestowitzNovell booster plays down Red Hat... http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/25/red-hat-and-linux-bloggers-the-big-disconnect/Mar 26 02:02
schestowitzEnder2070 might mindMar 26 02:02
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Red Hat and Linux Bloggers: The Big Disconnect | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 51.78 KBMar 26 02:02
schestowitzHe runs a Ubuntu-boosting site tooMar 26 02:02
schestowitzWorking with U!!!1Mar 26 02:02
schestowitzI hardly see him ever saying anything nice about Red HatMar 26 02:03
schestowitzBut it's his love of Novell which bothers me mostMar 26 02:03
schestowitzBut I like JoeMar 26 02:03
schestowitzMaybe I just missed his Red Hat article (which are rare)Mar 26 02:04
Ender2070the var guy is an idiotMar 26 02:04
schestowitzIt was funny when many Microsoft shills accused me of being a paid Canonical/Ubuntu shillMar 26 02:04
Ender2070what kind of person uses a buzzword as a nickname anywaysMar 26 02:04
_goblindoesnt he run a podcast or something....Mar 26 02:04
_goblinheard the name...can't place him at the moment.Mar 26 02:04
schestowitzEnder2070: yes, it's a weird nameMar 26 02:05
schestowitzHe no longer refers to himself as a 3rd person thoughMar 26 02:05
Ender2070"IM VALUE ADDED RESELLER GUY!"Mar 26 02:05
schestowitzNot as much as he used toMar 26 02:05
Ender2070I'd go for Burnt Face Man over himMar 26 02:05
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_goblinah......Mar 26 02:06
_goblinFrom his site "and The VAR Guy sounds like a New Yorker one day, a New Englander the next."Mar 26 02:06
_goblinno...simply an idiot.Mar 26 02:06
_goblinhe writes like how the Rock used to talk....Mar 26 02:07
_goblinlet me try...Mar 26 02:07
_goblinGoblin says this.....Mar 26 02:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The King of Patent Trolls is a #Microsoft guy http://ur1.ca/rssxMar 26 02:07
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_goblinshouldn't it be "Lord"Mar 26 02:08
_goblinLord of the patents has a better ring to it.Mar 26 02:08
_goblinOne patent to rule them all.Mar 26 02:08
DaemonFChttp://abcnews.go.com/Politics/HealthCare/health-care-bill-back-house-vote-republican-challenges/story?id=10205547Mar 26 02:09
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_goblin"In the land of Redmond, in the offices of Microsoft, the Dark Lord Ballmer created in secret a Master Patent to control all others.....and into this Patent he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all innovation.....One Patent to rule them all..."Mar 26 02:13
_goblinThats the unpublished works of TolkienMar 26 02:13
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_goblinIm off in a minute, but before I go....something important.....Mar 26 02:14
_goblinTwo bytes in a bar, one byte says to the other: "You ok? youre looking a bit ill" and the byte replies...."Im feeling a bit off"....Mar 26 02:15
_goblinI laughed...Mar 26 02:16
_goblinso should you.Mar 26 02:16
_goblinmiserable lot.Mar 26 02:17
DaemonFChttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001204-503544.htmlMar 26 02:17
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_goblin"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast."Mar 26 02:17
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DaemonFCconstructive criticism loses him his jobMar 26 02:17
DaemonFCthey don't want to hear any dissent at allMar 26 02:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Scientists found 90% of distant Universe, article below usual Bad Astronomy quality http://ur1.ca/rsv0 !scienceMar 26 02:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Drew Friedman's "Alice In Wackoland" art http://ur1.ca/rsvf #awesomeMar 26 02:22
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 10-day-old baby denied health care coverage for pre-existing condition, fucking #Repuiblicans http://ur1.ca/rsvpMar 26 02:27
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schestowitz[02:07] <_goblin> Goblin says this.....Mar 26 02:28
schestowitzRoy says that Red Hat is doing OKMar 26 02:28
schestowitzIr Roy right?Mar 26 02:28
schestowitzLet's find out, here's the scoop.Mar 26 02:28
schestowitzAlmost all his articles say something like "VAR Guy has the scoop."Mar 26 02:28
*schestowitz crashes(sleep);Mar 26 02:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: This week is like dying and going to Hell :)Mar 26 02:33
balrog_my week isn't any better :[Mar 26 03:18
balrog_good night, talk laterMar 26 03:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Working on a new Acire and Python Snippets website.Mar 26 04:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @BoneKnightmare Coulter #Canada speech cancelled, fears violence http://bit.ly/bGW2N9 /obviously a stunt. maybe it didn't pay enoughMar 26 04:26
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DaemonFC:)Mar 26 04:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Acire and Python Snippets website! http://is.gd/aZGnF - still a work in progress, working on it as we speak! #pythonsnippets #acireMar 26 04:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Bah, my Facebook account is still not back. Does anyone know anyone at Facebook who can help me? #freejonobaconMar 26 05:33
DaemonFCEndwar really sucksMar 26 05:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @jameyjasta: New Cannibal Corpse video http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/music/488 Pat aka Icky Ricky's solo is bananas!!Mar 26 05:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Give the orang-utan a break! Stop Nestlé using palm oil from destroyed rainforests http://bit.ly/a7ZZD2 #kitkat #nestleMar 26 06:24
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DaemonFCBen Stein: "If you're up to your neck in debt..." Me: "If you HAVE no neck, you're probably not in debt." :)Mar 26 06:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ishtarmuz Pesticides extinguishing bat, bee, amphibian species http://tinyurl.com/ydmpkkm // heartbreaking results of human negligenceMar 26 07:17
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Omar87Hi all.Mar 26 07:33
schestowitzo/Mar 26 07:34
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schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/amd_opteron_6100_reseller/ "Ohio computer components reseller Provantage accidentally let slip pricing information for the forthcoming "Magny-Cours" eight- and 12-core Opteron 6100 series of processors for two- and four-socket boxes."Mar 26 08:35
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schestowitz> Aloha Roy,Mar 26 08:41
schestowitz> Mar 26 08:41
schestowitz> Thank you for sharing the posted link regarding my previous message.Mar 26 08:41
schestowitz> That was very thoughtful of you to follow up! I really wasn’t expectingMar 26 08:41
schestowitz> to see a verbatim version online, but if it helps people to do the rightMar 26 08:41
schestowitz> thing, that is the whole point, isn’t it?  Mar 26 08:41
schestowitz> Mar 26 08:41
schestowitz> Your fully welcome to publish, improve, add on or adjust the belowMar 26 08:41
schestowitz> information, as you think best, for your readers to question theMar 26 08:41
schestowitz> significance of why Google.cn had pulled out of mainland China.Mar 26 08:41
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Omar87schestowitz: Hey Roy! You're gonna love this for sure! http://jordanopensource.org/article/blossoms-jordan-chooses-open-education-high-schoolsMar 26 08:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzBE3LNmKK8Mar 26 08:57
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schestowitzOmar87: yes, very niceMar 26 08:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Murdoch gives Guardian and BBC sites massive boost from June http://bit.ly/d0SPMd HT @glynmoodyMar 26 08:58
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Omar87schestowitz, it seems things are changing. :)Mar 26 08:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] A partnership may require your immediate attention today, but ... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11Mar 26 09:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] It's 8:50am. Older teen is playing awful emo at 1 zillion dB. Must be Friday. (Need mp3 player for my awful industrial.)Mar 26 09:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @glynmoody [New Wikipedia Redesign is Coming Soon - http://bit.ly/csT4PA eek: will the world end? #wikipedia #redesign]Mar 26 09:06
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:   New Wikipedia Redesign is Coming Soon .::. Size~: 73.54 KBMar 26 09:06
schestowitzOmar87: yesMar 26 09:23
schestowitzThis is a good show my uncle told me about: http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.phpMar 26 09:25
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Skeptoid Episode Guide .::. Size~: 91.5 KBMar 26 09:25
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schestowitzZetgeist pulled apart: http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4196.mp3Mar 26 09:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft m'a tuer, or Microsoft killing free software with software patents: http://i5.be/aE9Mar 26 09:43
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schestowitzOmar87: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/26/bphone-debuts/Mar 26 09:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Updating a machine which hasn't had updates for a few days over 3G tethered to my phone. 1 hour to go! :DMar 26 09:49
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phIRCe-BNcomHello World!Mar 26 09:49
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zoobabhttp://benoit.litchis.org/gcu/sl2010/videos/linux-21-attackk.mpgMar 26 09:54
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MinceRhayMar 26 09:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #India poised to make US corps not accountable for NUCLEAR spills there(!!) http://bit.ly/cpK1eZ HEY, REMEMBER #BHOPAL?Mar 26 10:01
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Don't let U.S. corporations off the hook .::. Size~: 8.48 KBMar 26 10:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Connected to a WPA Enterprise network for the first time on Ubuntu Lucid.. just worked which was niceMar 26 10:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Really nicely written article about Ubuntu from the perspective of a Debian developer. http://bit.ly/b92hvG (via @daviey)Mar 26 10:24
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Steve Kemp's Blog: I don't like it when people yell at me for no reason at all .::. Size~: 55.92 KBMar 26 10:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Susan Heystee, who was part of the glue between #Microsoft and #Novell , is leaving to join #Telogis http://ur1.ca/ruqhMar 26 10:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FRAND and reasonable royalties for patents on Philips CDs and Orange Book compliance used by a Dutch Court: http://i5.be/aFaMar 26 10:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Article: #Microsoft , “What do you stand for”? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/26/china-guest-post/Mar 26 10:48
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Readers Article: Microsoft, “What do you stand for”? | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 100.26 KBMar 26 10:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Safety deposit box. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/32343.htmlMar 26 10:49
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oiaohmI am having a bugger of a day.  Anyone by any chance know where a solution to Windows 2003 refused to install sp2 it not generating a log file and responding with The System cannot find the file specifiedMar 26 10:51
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reedhi guysMar 26 10:57
reedschestowitz, do you have a hard copy or some other reference to the original message in Chinese posted on http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/26/china-guest-post/ ?Mar 26 10:58
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sebsebsebah yes poor oiaohm having to work with Windows Server  2003  Grin!Mar 26 11:00
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oiaohmsebsebseb:  thinking the windows techs have given up.Mar 26 11:01
oiaohmThen they call me.Mar 26 11:01
oiaohmPeople wonder why I wince at the mention of windows.Mar 26 11:01
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sebsebseboiaohm: Most Windows techs are heh heh morons when it comes to computers really I guess, heh heh.   Also isn't it a bit late for you to be working on a computer?Mar 26 11:09
sebsebsebI didn't want the first heh heh aboveMar 26 11:09
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oiaohmsebsebseb:  I just though I would ask.Mar 26 11:13
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oiaohmIf there happened to be a solution I would look  cool on monday.Mar 26 11:13
MinceRthat's why they're windows techsMar 26 11:14
Omar87Though we do agree in the US ain't no better than China when it comes to "Democracy", right?Mar 26 11:14
oiaohmDepends how you define DemocracyMar 26 11:16
oiaohmIf you define it democrazy then USA wins hands down.Mar 26 11:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] £1/day for the Times Online is not enough. They should make it £5. And £10 for the paper edition.Mar 26 11:17
Omar87oiaohm, What about if I define it "DemoMass-Hypnosis"?Mar 26 11:18
oiaohmUSA wins again.Mar 26 11:18
MinceRat least the us has some elements of democracyMar 26 11:19
oiaohmMost China people knows there goverment suxs.Mar 26 11:19
MinceRthat might be a point for chinaMar 26 11:19
oiaohmThe most funny thing about china is hong kongMar 26 11:20
MinceRit's one of the PRC's admissions that the economic model they've been pushing failedMar 26 11:20
reeddoes anybody know where to find an original copy of the message referenced in http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/26/china-guest-post/ ?Mar 26 11:20
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oiaohmAll most all the restrictions that in mainland china don't exist in hong kongMar 26 11:21
MinceRthe USSR wouldn't admit it and therefore that empire fell apartMar 26 11:21
oiaohmAnd funny enough is hong kong even has proper elections for people running sections of it.Mar 26 11:21
oiaohmYes so small section of china has a working democracyMar 26 11:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Deletion of Damaging Article About #Mono Explained http://ur1.ca/rv07 Why the article that exposed Miguel de Icaza’s views was removedMar 26 11:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] One of the most useful utils 'add-apt-repository' in Ubuntu doesn't work behind a proxy :( http://bit.ly/aCHeIQMar 26 11:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] True love. http://hotmedicalnews.com/images/vaginal_tumor2.gifMar 26 11:55
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schestowitz> Microsoft, which has considerable interests in the country, includingMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> its Bing search engine, responded directly to criticism by Google'sMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> co-founder Sergey Brin, who this week accused the company of speakingMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> against human rights and free speech.Mar 26 12:13
schestowitz> Mar 26 12:13
schestowitz> Brin, who pressed for the closing down of Google's self-censoredMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> Chinese search engine, said yesterday: "I'm very disappointed for themMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> in particular.Mar 26 12:13
schestowitz> Mar 26 12:13
schestowitz> "I would hope that larger companies would not put profit ahead of allMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> else. Generally, companies should pay attention to how and where theirMar 26 12:13
schestowitz> products are used."Mar 26 12:14
schestowitz> Mar 26 12:14
schestowitz> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/mar/25/china-microsoft-free-speech-googleMar 26 12:14
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: We're staying in China, says Microsoft, as free speech row with Google grows |Technology |The Guardian .::. Size~: 88.08 KBMar 26 12:14
oiaohmschestowitz: I just found out I don't need to have a invoice number on my invoices here.Mar 26 12:30
oiaohmThat is only if I am interested in tracking my invoices.Mar 26 12:30
Omar87There's something a friend of mine brought to my attention about Google's Blogspot, by the way.Mar 26 12:33
Omar87Which is that they don't respect "Freedom of speech".Mar 26 12:33
oiaohmGoogle does place rules that you choose to follow if you use thier site.Mar 26 12:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former Member of European Parliament ( @DaHammerstein ) Describes Microsoft “Coup in Process” in the European Commission http://ur1.ca/rvcpMar 26 12:34
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Former Member of European Parliament Describes Microsoft “Coup in Process” in the European Commission | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 107.9 KBMar 26 12:34
Omar87When some people posted some content about the Gaza holocaust, their articles were automatically deleted.Mar 26 12:34
oiaohmWas that at the time it was happening.Mar 26 12:35
oiaohmIf not people did not read the blogspot rules Omar87Mar 26 12:36
oiaohmIe blogspot is not for digging over history.Mar 26 12:37
Omar87oiaohm, that was back when Gaza was under fire. Last year.Mar 26 12:39
Omar87oiaohm, plus, even so. This is not history, the Gaza holocaust was last year, as I just said.Mar 26 12:40
oiaohmCould be a over touchy word filter.Mar 26 12:40
oiaohmie tripping on holocaustMar 26 12:40
oiaohmNot spitting out GazaMar 26 12:40
Omar87oiaohm, I don't think they used the word "Holocaust", it's just how I refer to it.Mar 26 12:41
Omar87Because, whether some people like it or not, it was, fact a merciless holocaust by all measures.Mar 26 12:42
Omar87it was, *in* fact, a merciless holocaust..Mar 26 12:43
Omar87oiaohm: Anyways, I told him they should've used Wordpress instead. It's a fully free open source project that truly respect freedom of speech.Mar 26 12:45
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oiaohmIf it was a error it could be corrected now Omar87Mar 26 12:52
oiaohmGoogles systems like all systems particular events can make the glitch.Mar 26 12:53
oiaohmThe more important thing is do they correct them.Mar 26 12:53
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schestowitz[12:30] <oiaohm> schestowitz: I just found out I don't need to have a invoice number on my invoices here.Mar 26 12:58
schestowitzWhat product?Mar 26 12:58
oiaohmI was diging threw australian tax law.Mar 26 12:58
oiaohmWorking out what the requirements really are.  schestowitzMar 26 12:59
schestowitzAustralia has law?? :-D j/kMar 26 12:59
oiaohmKinda makes sence thinking the australian tax office works by date.Mar 26 13:00
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] check out !shapado : http://shapado.com/. A stackoverflow opensource cloneMar 26 13:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Becomes Increasingly Irrelevant in Mobile Devices http://ur1.ca/rvhz #Firefox is the latest project to quit developingMar 26 13:12
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Microsoft Becomes Increasingly Irrelevant in Mobile Devices | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.06 KBMar 26 13:12
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Omar87<oiaohm> The more important thing is do they correct them.Mar 26 13:32
Omar87Yeah, that's the question.Mar 26 13:32
oiaohmThe hardest thing for a lot of people to accept is that everyone can make errors.Mar 26 13:33
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oiaohmHopefully I will get a few hours this week end to start to convert my Linux audit scripts into a gui for lower users.Mar 26 13:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] WRT http://bit.ly/aJ9Npq - What should gtk-recordmydesktop be on the menu? "Desktop Recorder"? "Screen Recorder"? Something else??Mar 26 13:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Election predictions: the market speaks http://j.mp/bseeUcMar 26 13:54
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: A bad day for the Tories in the betting markets | Westminster Blog | FT.com .::. Size~: 62.25 KBMar 26 13:54
cubezzzI'd say Microsoft is irrelevent but it's still a pain you can't ignoreMar 26 14:17
oiaohmIt not irrelevent yet.Mar 26 14:24
oiaohmIt can still do a lot of damage on the way down to being irreleventMar 26 14:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC - dot.Rory: Digital Economy: The Mandelson letters http://tinyurl.com/ykbwnzzMar 26 14:33
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schestowitzMac Asay advises Microsoft? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10470402-16.htmlMar 26 14:34
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Microsoft's mobile strategy should learn from Android | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 153.85 KBMar 26 14:34
schestowitzcubezzz: depends on which areaMar 26 14:35
schestowitzIt's quite irrelevant in mobilMar 26 14:35
schestowitzhttp://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201003251238dowjonesdjonline000642&title=smartphone-market-deals-with-wave-of-competing-mobile-softwareMar 26 14:36
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Smartphone Market Deals With Wave Of Competing Mobile Software .::. Size~: 53.46 KBMar 26 14:36
cubezzzexcuse me, irrelevantMar 26 14:37
cubezzzok, time to look for sparc againMar 26 14:38
balrog_cubezzz: what exactly are you looking for?Mar 26 14:41
cubezzzvery simple, just a non x86 desktop to play aroun withMar 26 14:41
balrog_ahMar 26 14:41
balrog_get an older sun workstationMar 26 14:42
balrog_:)Mar 26 14:42
cubezzzmaybe transfer my server from dual p3 to sparcMar 26 14:42
balrog_installing OpenSolaris is a lot easier than it used to beMar 26 14:42
balrog_then again, I don't know if that's what you wantMar 26 14:42
cubezzzno, I'll probably to Linux or at least dual bootMar 26 14:43
cubezzzto=goMar 26 14:43
cubezzzhaving a sparcbook would be pretty nice tooMar 26 14:44
cubezzzthere's this which is pretty cheap:Mar 26 14:45
cubezzzhttp://cgi.ebay.com/RDI-COMPUTER-POWERLITE-PR1024-2400-32-SPARC_W0QQitemZ300408803219QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item45f1c28f93Mar 26 14:45
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: RDI COMPUTER POWERLITE PR1024-2400-32 SPARC - eBay (item 300408803219 end time  Mar-26-10 14:12:09 PDT) .::. Size~: 61.5 KBMar 26 14:45
cubezzzonly thing is I have no clue how old that is, or the cpu speedMar 26 14:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning, Internet friends!Mar 26 14:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq - Planetary Madness - http://is.gd/b0pdL - what do you think? planets the right way to handle community blogs? #shotofjaqMar 26 14:55
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Shot of Jaq » Planetary Madness .::. Size~: 45.14 KBMar 26 14:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We have kicked off our Ubuntu LoCo Council Elections - interested? See http://is.gd/b0pW3 for details! #ubuntuMar 26 15:02
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Czajkowski  » Blog Archive   » Call for LoCo Council Elections .::. Size~: 17.11 KBMar 26 15:02
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schestowitzSounds like de Icaza: http://www.crn.com/software/224200421Mar 26 15:06
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Microsoft Partners: Silverlight Gives Us Everything We Need - Software - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 77.59 KBMar 26 15:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Metallica. Enter Sandman. Smooth Jazz Version. http://is.gd/b0qhr. From Castro. Wicked Cool. #metallica. #comedygoldMar 26 15:07
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- Metallica-Enter Sandman (Smooth Jazz Version) .::. Size~: 121.18 KBMar 26 15:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Day 2 OF Facebook Account Disability: still no reply from Facebook, I mailed them twice now. Hopefully someone will today. #freejonobaconMar 26 15:10
cubezzzok this is coolMar 26 15:12
cubezzzhttp://benheck.com/04-05-2009/commodore-64-original-hardware-laptopMar 26 15:12
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Official Blog of Benjamin J Heckendorn .::. Size~: 197.18 KBMar 26 15:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Crawling to the coffee machine...Mar 26 15:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] You know that great new Photoshop CS5 feature? http://o3.tumblr.com/post/470608946/photoshops-caf-content-aware-fill-unbelievableMar 26 15:18
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Photoshop's CAF (content-aware fill) - unbelievable? Not quite. - the real Uqbar .::. Size~: 13.25 KBMar 26 15:18
schestowitzThe banksters helped bankrupt Greece further.Mar 26 15:30
schestowitzGuess who need to pay?Mar 26 15:30
schestowitzhttp://www.tradershuddle.com/201003253589/Stocks/stocks-erase-gains-as-dollar-strengthened-on-european-discord-over-greece-aid-package-dow-leaders-dis-msft-axp-bac-and-hd.htmlMar 26 15:30
schestowitz*needsMar 26 15:30
schestowitzcubezzz: not pricey?Mar 26 15:30
schestowitzWhat a stupid headline:Mar 26 15:31
schestowitzhttp://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/barnes-and-noble-nook-microsoft-pc/Mar 26 15:32
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Barnes and Nobles Nook = Microsoft PC ? | Good E-Reader Blog - Electronic Reader News and Articles .::. Size~: 54.96 KBMar 26 15:32
schestowitzNooK runs LInuxMar 26 15:32
cubezzzit's a bit misleadingMar 26 15:34
cubezzzwhat they really mean is that the PC is the book readerMar 26 15:34
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cubezzzand of course, PC = windows for themMar 26 15:34
cubezzzzaurus is more open than nookMar 26 15:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@deathboyuk see, @amandapalmer 's problem is she just didn't do her time on http://sickipedia.org/Mar 26 15:41
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Sickipedia - Building the world's best collection of sick jokes .::. Size~: 104.56 KBMar 26 15:41
schestowitzcubezzz: yesMar 26 15:42
schestowitzI hate it when people who don't understand the basics write about these subjects. BBC is a bad example.Mar 26 15:42
schestowitzcubezzz: worry notMar 26 15:43
schestowitzFOSS does OKMar 26 15:43
schestowitzWe just need to eliminate sw patsMar 26 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @markd721: @jonobacon: Picked up Slayer: Devine Intervention from the Ubuntu Music Store. Seemless esperience!! Very Nice!!Mar 26 15:43
schestowitzI'm going through some news from the past 5 days about MSFTMar 26 15:43
schestowitzIt's looking grim for themMar 26 15:43
cubezzzwhen the OEMs start to break away that's it for themMar 26 15:43
schestowitzhttp://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/24460/Mar 26 15:44
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: MacDailyNews - Jean-Louis Gassée: Who will buy beleaguered Palm? No one .::. Size~: 65.38 KBMar 26 15:44
schestowitzcubezzz: not just OEMsMar 26 15:44
schestowitzOEMs don't sell everythingMar 26 15:44
schestowitzI can walk into a store now and get a device with AndroidMar 26 15:45
schestowitzAnd here in the UK we are some of the least Linux-'resistant'Mar 26 15:45
schestowitzI mean *most*Mar 26 15:45
schestowitzLook at DellMar 26 15:45
schestowitzSee what they do recentlyMar 26 15:45
cubezzzI don't know about thatMar 26 15:45
schestowitz1. tabletMar 26 15:45
schestowitzRunning AndroidMar 26 15:45
schestowitz2. phonesMar 26 15:45
cubezzzCanada is really bad Mar 26 15:45
schestowitzAndroid (Linux)Mar 26 15:45
schestowitzDell also started selling UbuntuMar 26 15:46
schestowitzDell wants to have shops in the streetsMar 26 15:46
schestowitzcubezzz: Canada is north of the USMar 26 15:46
schestowitzAnd still influenced by itMar 26 15:46
cubezzzwell actually my last router is linux :)Mar 26 15:46
cubezzzand my TV is linuxMar 26 15:46
schestowitzMany Sony TVs areMar 26 15:46
schestowitzSome can be hackedMar 26 15:46
schestowitzTo run programs on themMar 26 15:46
cubezzzbut the TV is rather like a black box type device (so far)Mar 26 15:46
schestowitzI posted about it in BN 2 days agoMar 26 15:47
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, closed LinuxMar 26 15:47
schestowitzI don't like thatMar 26 15:47
schestowitzJust a monoculture of Linux you can't touchMar 26 15:47
schestowitzThe FSF wants devices like TiVo to be modifiableMar 26 15:47
schestowitzSo that you can reimage themMar 26 15:47
schestowitzRemove antifeaturesMar 26 15:47
schestowitzServe users, not HollywoodMar 26 15:47
schestowitzWhat Microsoft does in China now shows greed and desparationMar 26 15:48
schestowitzit shows that it's inherently unethicalMar 26 15:49
schestowitzhttp://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/03/microsoft_and_state_department.htmlMar 26 15:50
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Microsoft and state Department of Labor announce free computer training |  .::. Size~: 58.15 KBMar 26 15:50
schestowitzNow Microsoft dumps in New YorkMar 26 15:50
cubezzzof course, Microsoft always takes the low roadMar 26 15:51
cubezzzI'd be surprised if they didn'tMar 26 15:51
schestowitzSome weeks ago I had many stories about Microsoft corruption each week, Recently there's lessMar 26 15:52
schestowitzThere's less MSFT news in generalMar 26 15:52
schestowitzAs in...Mar 26 15:52
schestowitzNo new productsMar 26 15:52
schestowitzNo succcess storiesMar 26 15:52
schestowitzVista 7 hardly mentionedMar 26 15:52
cubezzzI rarely work with doze nowMar 26 15:55
schestowitzI was thinking...Mar 26 15:55
schestowitzWhat if...Mar 26 15:55
cubezzzFutureshop is utterly hopelessMar 26 15:55
schestowitzCommunism was widespread and disseminated in a language Americans could understandMar 26 15:56
schestowitzThen, on the Web, would the US want censorship too?Mar 26 15:56
schestowitzGreat Wall of US?Mar 26 15:56
schestowitzThis begs for an answer, I thinkMar 26 15:56
schestowitzChina is in a state where it's surrounded by competing idealogiesMar 26 15:56
schestowitzSo it could try this to justify it's censorship policiesMar 26 15:57
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schestowitzUS citizens won't be exposed to communism promotion in Chinese language they can't understand anyway [just playing devil's advocate here]Mar 26 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @psykoyiko: @jonobacon you haven't lived until you've heard heard this Metallica: http://bit.ly/9Iv5e3 :: ok that is just a little creepyMar 26 15:58
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Amazon.com: Rockabye Baby! Lullaby Renditions of Metallica: Rockabye Baby!: Music .::. Size~: 405.96 KBMar 26 15:58
schestowitzOmar87: http://www.onlinebackupdir.com/news/ShowItem.aspx?ID=37549Mar 26 15:58
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Microsoft Jordan Honors Students using Live@Edu at the Jordan University of Science and Technology & Yarmouk University (Zawya) - Online Backup Directory .::. Size~: 47.17 KBMar 26 15:58
cubezzzmy TV is a Bravia KDL-40V4100Mar 26 15:59
Omar87schestowitz, yeah, I heard about that.Mar 26 15:59
cubezzzso far, I can't do much with it, as far as reprogramming it, or running a bash shellMar 26 15:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In an hour I am heading to the Ubuntu Global Jam in Rockridge, California - see http://is.gd/aV1Tg for details! #ubuntuMar 26 16:03
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:                   Ubuntu Global Jam This Friday: Rockridge, California | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 26.37 KBMar 26 16:03
schestowitzOmar87: we can counter with informationMar 26 16:17
Omar87schestowitz, yes. Sure we can.Mar 26 16:17
schestowitzOmar87: BTW, RMS seems to like BN, but I ought to tone down criticismsMar 26 16:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] US must stop spying on WikiLeaks http://wikileaks.org/?t=a#spyingMar 26 16:17
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: WikiLeaks .::. Size~: 49.35 KBMar 26 16:17
schestowitzThe counter points are mostly the sameMar 26 16:18
Omar87schestowitz, I see.Mar 26 16:18
schestowitzI have a leak about @eduMar 26 16:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @serk01 US must stop spying on WikiLeaks http://wikileaks.org/?t=a#spyingMar 26 16:19
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: WikiLeaks .::. Size~: 49.35 KBMar 26 16:19
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/20/microsoft-live-edu-leaked/Mar 26 16:19
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Microsofts Live@Edu Scam Finally Leaked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 110.69 KBMar 26 16:19
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schestowitz> "The trouble is, none of this story is true. Or, rather, to be exact,Mar 26 16:29
schestowitz> the article has not disappeared, and de Icaza's comments are accurate,Mar 26 16:29
schestowitz> but have been taken so wildly out of context that their intent hasMar 26 16:29
schestowitz> been lost"Mar 26 16:29
schestowitz> Mar 26 16:29
schestowitz> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3873051/The-Mono-Mystery-That-Wasnt.htmMar 26 16:29
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Mono Mystery That Wasn't &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 66.65 KBMar 26 16:29
schestowitzTypical Byfield.Mar 26 16:29
MinceRwhen did byfield become anti-FLOSS?Mar 26 16:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Acire 0.4 Released! http://is.gd/b0xxh #acire #python #opportunisticdevelopers #ubuntuMar 26 16:30
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:                   Acire 0.4 Released | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 28.14 KBMar 26 16:30
MinceRi remember his attack on RMS before this, but did anything happen before that?Mar 26 16:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] PyTask uses Quickly / Acire to rock its own socks off - http://is.gd/b0xLR #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopersMar 26 16:33
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Introducing Pytask! « Ryan Macnish .::. Size~: 13.21 KBMar 26 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Cool community-made Ubuntu video ad - http://is.gd/b0xUf #ubuntuMar 26 16:34
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:   Ubuntu Ad | Blog About Everything! .::. Size~: 21.45 KBMar 26 16:34
schestowitzRe: A Magical Journey through the Land of Logical Fallacies - Part 1Mar 26 16:44
schestowitz> I've never been in a debate club, but this information I find particularlyMar 26 16:44
schestowitz> useful.Mar 26 16:44
schestowitz> Mar 26 16:44
schestowitz> http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4073Mar 26 16:44
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: A Magical Journey through the Land of Logical Fallacies - Part 1 .::. Size~: 35.08 KBMar 26 16:44
schestowitzMinceR: lotsMar 26 16:44
schestowitzWhere have you been? :-)Mar 26 16:44
schestowitzSee the "update" here: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/26/sd-times-censorship/Mar 26 16:44
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Deletion of Damaging Article About Mono Explained (Updated) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.58 KBMar 26 16:44
schestowitzI've just typed it upMar 26 16:44
schestowitzIf there was any "Disinformation" as he put it, it was de Icaza's and Woirthington'sMar 26 16:47
schestowitzWhat I wrote was based purely on the input they producedMar 26 16:47
schestowitzIt's quiet here today...Mar 26 16:51
schestowitzI ought to get back to using Twitter soonMar 26 16:51
schestowitzIdetica redirects to itMar 26 16:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just let rip on a mailing list about my hatred for DroboMar 26 16:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hopefully I'll resume posting GNU/Linux and F/OSS news tomorrow. First break in a long while.Mar 26 16:53
schestowitz"[PJ: I guess one doesn't get called a vulture fund for nothing.] -  Elliott press release"Mar 26 16:57
schestowitzMono boosters in Jason's comments: http://www.the-source.com/2010/03/matt-asay-on-partisanship/Mar 26 17:00
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Matt Asay on Partisanship .::. Size~: 84.76 KBMar 26 17:00
schestowitzThey smell dissent against MicrosoftMar 26 17:01
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/15815/can_ubuntu_save_online_bankingMar 26 17:11
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phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Can Ubuntu save online banking? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 140.12 KBMar 26 17:12
cubezzzwhy does online banking need saving?Mar 26 17:13
cubezzzI'm fine on fc1 with my bankMar 26 17:13
cubezzzit's the municipal level that's a problem for meMar 26 17:15
cubezzzin these blogs you always get these stupid anonymous people apologizing for MicrosoftMar 26 17:18
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/eye-tracking-tablets-and-the-promise-of-text-20/Mar 26 17:19
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Eye-Tracking Tablets and the Promise of Text 2.0 | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 96.26 KBMar 26 17:19
schestowitzisn't fc1 lacking patches?Mar 26 17:19
schestowitzThere's not even Core and Extras anymoreMar 26 17:19
cubezzzthere's meMar 26 17:20
cubezzzI update my own stuffMar 26 17:20
cubezzzI understand it pretty well Mar 26 17:21
schestowitzByfield had this pushed into /.? http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/1458229/The-Mono-Mystery-That-WasntMar 26 17:22
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Linux Story | The Mono Mystery That Wasn't .::. Size~: 132.89 KBMar 26 17:22
schestowitzOh, wellMar 26 17:22
schestowitzHe's wrongMar 26 17:22
schestowitzI guess I wouldn't mind the publicity there, people can check and see the facts for themselvesMar 26 17:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.the-source.com/2010/03/the-disappearing-article-mystery/Mar 26 17:24
schestowitz" Tim Anderson  "Mar 26 17:25
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Disappearing Article Mystery .::. Size~: 51.88 KBMar 26 17:25
schestowitzEven the Microsoft crowd is thereMar 26 17:25
schestowitzSPin.Mar 26 17:25
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zer0c00lschestowitz: PM ?Mar 26 17:25
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/23/grigory-perelman-rejects-1m-dollarsMar 26 17:28
schestowitz"(He has his own spartan one-bedroom flat, allegedly full of cockroaches, but rarely uses it.)"Mar 26 17:28
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Grigory Perelman, the maths genius who said no to $1m |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 68.69 KBMar 26 17:28
schestowitzzer0c00l: no PMMar 26 17:28
schestowitzOhMar 26 17:28
schestowitzThanks, let me take a lookMar 26 17:28
schestowitzMy clients is not good with PMMar 26 17:28
schestowitzI see it now, thanksMar 26 17:29
zer0c00lschestowitz: ok Mar 26 17:29
schestowitzzer0c00l: thanks so much!Mar 26 17:30
schestowitzCongrats on the job BTWMar 26 17:30
schestowitzzer0c00l: does this look OK? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/TamilMar 26 17:31
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Tamil - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 16.14 KBMar 26 17:31
zer0c00lschestowitz: welcome :-)Mar 26 17:31
schestowitzWhoa.Mar 26 17:32
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Hindi got 1100 views in about 1 weekMar 26 17:32
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Hindi - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 13.57 KBMar 26 17:32
zer0c00lschestowitz: let take a lookMar 26 17:33
zer0c00lschestowitz: perfectMar 26 17:37
schestowitz:-DMar 26 17:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] So, @arkadyrose went down the shops and came back with a Crackberry on £25/mo. iPhone upgrade in 3 months!!Mar 26 17:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Boycott Novell has Hindi translation now http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/HindiMar 26 17:41
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Hindi - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 13.57 KBMar 26 17:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] We also have Tamil http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Tamil thanks so much to those who produced theseMar 26 17:42
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Tamil - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 16.15 KBMar 26 17:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Need newstechnica tips. What news induces TELLY-SMASHING RAGE in you? Not the Pope, done too many on him lately.Mar 26 17:46
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] "Paul Krugman: - Going to Extreme | We need to have two reasonable, rational parties in this country..." http://nyti.ms/aDStAYMar 26 17:47
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Op-Ed Columnist - Going to Extreme - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 50.46 KBMar 26 17:47
schestowitzHeh. http://techdirt.com/articles/20100324/1803498705.shtmlMar 26 17:50
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: If Lindsay Lohan Deserves Any Money From E*Trade, It's Probably For Making Its Ad So Popular | Techdirt .::. Size~: 27.75 KBMar 26 17:50
schestowitzObama does some OK things... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/24/barack-obama-nuclear-disarmament-russiaMar 26 17:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Culture as industry".... interesting way of putting how we live today with Hollywood.Mar 26 17:57
schestowitzhttp://www.truthdig.com/report/item/obamas_bad_prescription_for_indonesia_20100323/Mar 26 17:57
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Amy Goodman: Obamas Bad Prescription for Indonesia - Truthdig .::. Size~: 76.94 KBMar 26 17:57
schestowitz'My colleague Allan Nairn, reporting from Indonesia, broke the story this past week on “Democracy Now!,” the news hour I host, and on his blog, allannairn.com. He reported that the TNI “assassinated a series of civilian activists during 2009 ... as part of a secret government program, authorized from Jakarta, coordinated in part by an active-duty, U.S.-trained Kopassus special-forces general who has just acknowledged on the Mar 26 17:58
schestowitzrecord that his TNI men had a role in the killings.”'Mar 26 17:58
schestowitzhttp://www.gregpalast.com/getting-into-massas-drawersthe-truly-creepy-details-of-the-congressmans-behavior/Mar 26 18:01
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: " + title + " .::. Size~: 50.09 KBMar 26 18:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "WordPress Founder: Open Source Is About People, Not Technology" http://ur1.ca/rwx9 Matt takes all the credit, forgets cofounder?Mar 26 18:12
schestowitzAha!!Mar 26 18:31
schestowitzhttp://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/03/25/winning-and-losing-with-open-core/Mar 26 18:31
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: 451 CAOS Theory » Winning and losing with open core .::. Size~: 45.96 KBMar 26 18:31
schestowitz"Last week at OSBC I attended an interesting discussion between Matt Asay and Gartner’s Brian Prentice, much of which was spent discussing the relative merits of open core and pure open source business strategies."Mar 26 18:31
schestowitzSo it was probably Mac Asay's idea after all to bring that ODF FUD spreader and swpats lobbyistMar 26 18:32
schestowitzWhat a fail Asay can be sometimes..Mar 26 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The 'Facebook One' is free! My account is back! #freejonobaconMar 26 18:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Jamming with Ubuntu peeps at the Ubuntu Global Jam in Rockridge, California - come and join us! http://is.gd/b0HRU #ubuntuMar 26 18:35
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MinceRsometimes? :>Mar 26 18:41
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schestowitzhttp://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/ordering-pizza-2015Mar 26 18:57
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Ordering Pizza in 2015 | American Civil Liberties Union .::. Size~: 46.78 KBMar 26 18:57
schestowitzMinceR: yes, he's OK sometimesMar 26 18:57
MinceRmaybe when he says some of the lines canonical pays him to sayMar 26 18:58
MinceRor when he's asleepMar 26 18:58
cubezzzok, just emailed Waterloo about SparcMar 26 18:58
cubezzzthey said they would just give me one if I get down there and picked it up :)Mar 26 18:59
cubezzzseems like advantage6 is deadMar 26 18:59
schestowitzIs that an ISP?Mar 26 19:00
schestowitzOr vendor?Mar 26 19:00
schestowitzOf PCs?Mar 26 19:00
MinceRthey're companies that make RISC-based computersMar 26 19:00
schestowitzhttp://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/24/dell-backs-ubuntu-enterprise-cloud/Mar 26 19:00
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Dell Backs Ubuntu Linux Enterprise Cloud | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 51.69 KBMar 26 19:00
MinceRdell hardware with mono, what else could we ask for?Mar 26 19:01
MinceRmaybe a little bongMar 26 19:01
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7018/1/Mar 26 19:02
schestowitz"Enterprise"Mar 26 19:02
schestowitz"Commercial-grade"Mar 26 19:02
schestowitz"professional..."Mar 26 19:02
schestowitzMinceR: only in the US for nowMar 26 19:02
schestowitzBong thingMar 26 19:02
schestowitzThey'll take it worldwideMar 26 19:02
schestowitzThey just play a game with regulators, I reckonMar 26 19:02
schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/amd_opteron_6100_reseller/Mar 26 19:09
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Reseller exposes Opteron 6100 speeds and prices • Channel Register .::. Size~: 18.13 KBMar 26 19:09
schestowitz"The point that your article seems to be overlooking is that for the better part of the last decade, Miguel de Icaza has pronounced as "hate-mongers", "FUDsters", "fanatics", and "flame-seeking trolls" those who have dared express exactly what he himself has now stated in Mr Worthington's interview: i.e., Microsoft threatening .NET implementations with patents."Mar 26 19:11
schestowitzSee the comment on the Byfield tabloid pieceMar 26 19:12
schestowitzhttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3873051/The-Mono-Mystery-That-Wasnt.htmMar 26 19:12
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Mono Mystery That Wasn't &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 66.65 KBMar 26 19:12
schestowitzComments better than his "PR"Mar 26 19:12
schestowitz"Mar 26 19:13
schestowitzHmm... I have used Linux since 1998 but refused to install anything related to mono.Mar 26 19:13
schestowitzThis still doesn't exactly make me change my mind. I KNOW it is a Trojan horse.Mar 26 19:13
schestowitz"Mar 26 19:13
schestowitzOverwhelmingly, the comments disagree with ByfieldMar 26 19:13
MinceRi don't see how the context is supposed to change the meaning of those quotesMar 26 19:13
schestowitzI'm pleased that people are not gullible enough.Mar 26 19:13
schestowitzMinceR: it doesn'tMar 26 19:13
schestowitzIt's just trying to pretend that it was taken out of contextMar 26 19:13
schestowitzCause most people would NOT checkMar 26 19:13
schestowitzIt was removedMar 26 19:13
MinceRi've read the "new" article and it's no less damning than the "old" oneMar 26 19:14
MinceRit has some more m$ advertisement in it, that's allMar 26 19:14
cubezzzyou UK folks are lucky:Mar 26 19:14
cubezzzhttp://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/products/a9home.shtmlMar 26 19:14
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: CJE Micro's : A9home .::. Size~: 13.62 KBMar 26 19:14
MinceRalso, maybe a few more cases of de icaza shooting himself in the footMar 26 19:14
cubezzzit seems CJE has a9homeMar 26 19:14
MinceRlol, byfield lecturing people about what the FLOSS community is served well byMar 26 19:16
MinceRthat's richMar 26 19:16
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/26181368Mar 26 19:18
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 26-Mar-10 16:03:44 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.28 KBMar 26 19:18
schestowitz"@gbraad, Miguel's merely saying !fsf 's criticisms are "crap" isn't responsive. Doesn't say why we shouldn't worry about the issues raised."Mar 26 19:18
schestowitzMinceR: he patronisesMar 26 19:19
schestowitzPlays father figure roleMar 26 19:19
MinceRabusive father figureMar 26 19:19
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/evan "@bkuhn congratulations! The FSF is lucky to have you back."Mar 26 19:20
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Evan Prodromou (evan)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 64.34 KBMar 26 19:20
schestowitzWait, is he returning?Mar 26 19:20
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/26177910Mar 26 19:20
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: candrews's status on Friday, 26-Mar-10 15:25:53 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.16 KBMar 26 19:20
schestowitz"Mar 26 19:20
schestowitzcandrewsMar 26 19:20
schestowitz@bkuhn Congratulations! I'm really glad you're a director... !fsf needs more people like you.Mar 26 19:20
schestowitz"Mar 26 19:20
schestowitzWait a sec....Mar 26 19:20
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/26166801 "congratulations! Free Software has made great progress and continues to need !fsf and !sflc to thrive."Mar 26 19:20
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Tom Marble (tmarble) 's status on Friday, 26-Mar-10 13:27:47 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.53 KBMar 26 19:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @gbraad @bkuhn what I meant with 'they' is most of the .NET developers out there who have no sense of what FOSS means. There are many!Mar 26 19:24
schestowitzhttp://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7740/1.htmlMar 26 19:27
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:    Ubuntu 10.04: The Perfect Consumer Operating System? |   Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 42.29 KBMar 26 19:27
cubezzzwow, I don't need itunes?Mar 26 19:38
cubezzzduh :)Mar 26 19:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Oh dear. Christian propagandist takes on @27bslash6. http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.htmlMar 26 19:57
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: "Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight." .::. Size~: 24.1 KBMar 26 19:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] My reliance datacard stick was not working out of Delhi. What can be the reason !Mar 26 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] We can no longer value disk space, can we? [IMG] http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/03/omg-hard-drive-you-have-been-waiting.htmlMar 26 20:05
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: OMG! The hard drive you have been waiting for! | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 90.36 KBMar 26 20:05
schestowitzhttp://www.androidguys.com/2010/03/25/mobinnova-beam-drops-windows-ce-favor-android/Mar 26 20:06
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Mobinnova Beam Drops Windows CE in Favor of Android | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 31.58 KBMar 26 20:06
schestowitzEven $5 Windows doesn't appeal to them :-)Mar 26 20:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] beauty. http://lookatthisfuckingteabagger.com/Mar 26 20:13
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Look At This Fucking Teabagger .::. Size~: 12.93 KBMar 26 20:13
schestowitzhttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Mar-22-1.htmlMar 26 20:20
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Baby on the Way - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 13.37 KBMar 26 20:20
schestowitzThey can call him BillMar 26 20:20
MinceRor SteveMar 26 20:20
schestowitzThat'd be child abuseMar 26 20:21
schestowitzSome people wanted to call their baby GoogleMar 26 20:21
MinceR(and nickname him "Little Monkey Boy" -- de icaza loves monkeys anyway)Mar 26 20:21
schestowitzI think they managed, eventuallyMar 26 20:21
MinceRwell, "google" is one of the things people say to babies, afaikMar 26 20:21
schestowitzMy friend said he was gonna call his pet snake  GoogleMar 26 20:21
MinceRor maybe babies say itMar 26 20:21
schestowitzYeahMar 26 20:21
schestowitzDa-da-goo-gelMar 26 20:22
schestowitzBut anyway.....Mar 26 20:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NVidia just killed the nv driver. nouveau was strangely not mentioned. http://is.gd/b0UpQ Slashdot submission: http://is.gd/b0Uo4Mar 26 21:11
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Submission | NVidia "nv" driver is dead .::. Size~: 42.23 KBMar 26 21:11
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC26RI-Ria8&feature=relatedMar 26 21:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xssjIfSFcn4&feature=relatedMar 26 21:31
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- Seinfeld Lost Episode "Racist Kramer" .::. Size~: 69.79 KBMar 26 21:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] For sale: chick magnet. http://stgeorge.craigslist.org/bik/1630118395.htmlMar 26 21:34
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Chick Magnet for Sale .::. Size~: 5.67 KBMar 26 21:34
schestowitz*LOL* Retarded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHcNkLo8Ok&feature=relatedMar 26 21:35
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- I Hate Jerry Sienfeld!!! .::. Size~: 120.47 KBMar 26 21:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Too much tired from journey but I have wake up again at 6 pm for new journey to start a new campaign from meerut #righttosoftwareMar 26 21:35
schestowitzThis is hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/user/Pruane2ForeverMar 26 21:36
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- Pruane2Forever's Channel .::. Size~: 85.33 KBMar 26 21:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] US Marine to teabaggers: just STFU, you morans. http://is.gd/b0WttMar 26 21:37
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Newsvine - An article I wish I would never have to write -  To those calling for a civil war, this Marine wants you to stop, and think... .::. Size~: 168.4 KBMar 26 21:37
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4stnSlWulcMar 26 21:44
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- Does America Really Need More College Grads? - George Leef .::. Size~: 156.8 KBMar 26 21:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Extreme grammar tuition. http://i.imgur.com/HL1ZR.jpgMar 26 21:45
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schestowitzJust found this show.. http://infactvideo.com/Mar 26 22:25
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: inFact with Brian Dunning .::. Size~: 1.62 KBMar 26 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Leaked #CIA Report: ‘Apathy Key To #War, #Obama A Great War Salesman’ http://bit.ly/dkwHqE #afghanistanMar 26 22:31
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Leaked CIA Report: Apathy Key To War,Obama A Great War Salesman .::. Size~: 42.01 KBMar 26 22:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Over The Rainbow on BBC.I've seen these t-shirts before.. http://bit.ly/blWm3Q http://bit.ly/d2DrFr Ubuntu Intrepid?Mar 26 22:36
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yuhongHere is an Ask Slashdot on Matt Asay:Mar 26 22:55
yuhonghttp://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-CanonicalMar 26 22:55
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Interviews Story | Matt Asay Answers Your Questions About Ubuntu and Canonical .::. Size~: 175.74 KBMar 26 22:55
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yuhongFunny, huh?Mar 26 22:56
sebsebseb_goblin: schestowitz  MinceR  jono   Well that's nice to know that at least two people missed me in the big Ubuntu support channel :)Mar 26 22:57
_goblinhi!Mar 26 22:59
*MinceR doesn't visit the big ubuntu support channelMar 26 22:59
MinceRhay _goblin Mar 26 22:59
_goblinbonjourMar 26 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oooh, @wossy has Goldfrapp, Matt Smith (new Dr Who), Emma Thompson and @profBriancox - nice!Mar 26 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Newsbytes: 26/03/10 – News from around the Web http://tinyurl.com/yhe65sk #microsoft #novell #bing #failMar 26 23:01
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Newsbytes: 26/03/10  News from around the Web «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 31.23 KBMar 26 23:01
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah I haven't for quite a while myselfMar 26 23:01
_goblinI see the Times is going to start charging for online content.Mar 26 23:01
sebsebsebnot sure how long now,  three weeks maybe fourMar 26 23:01
_goblinthats going to work......Mar 26 23:02
sebsebseb_goblin: indeed it won't work wellMar 26 23:02
MinceRi don't think i'm going to miss rupert murdoch's lies so much as to be willing to pay for themMar 26 23:02
sebsebsebpeople can just go to free content insteadMar 26 23:02
sebsebsebelse whereMar 26 23:02
MinceRpeople will indeed just go to free contentMar 26 23:02
sebsebsebRuper Murdoch owns The Times?Mar 26 23:02
_goblinyepMar 26 23:02
_goblinand GaurdianMar 26 23:02
MinceRand rupert murdoch can starve to deathMar 26 23:02
sebsebseboh well that explains itMar 26 23:02
sebsebseboh he owns the Guardian as well hrmMar 26 23:02
_goblin*GuardianMar 26 23:02
sebsebsebGuardian has some good online articlesMar 26 23:02
MinceRwith his friends from MAFIAAMar 26 23:02
sebsebsebor many, well I don't tend to read themMar 26 23:02
_goblinMurdick has friends?Mar 26 23:03
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_goblinthats like saying Microsoft has happy customers.Mar 26 23:03
bruce89hello _goblin Mar 26 23:03
_goblinhi!Mar 26 23:03
sebsebseboh bruce89 would have liked that chatMar 26 23:03
sebsebseb,but he just missed itMar 26 23:03
sebsebsebbruce89: they were just talking about how  The Times will charge for online contentMar 26 23:04
bruce89and how it's insane?Mar 26 23:04
sebsebsebbruce89: yeah basicalleyMar 26 23:04
_goblinyepMar 26 23:04
bruce89fair enough, it isMar 26 23:04
_goblinI wouldn't read the times online content if they paid me.Mar 26 23:04
_goblinwell....Mar 26 23:04
yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/280000-pro-china-astroturfers-are-running-amok-online.arsMar 26 23:04
_goblinok maybe I wouldMar 26 23:04
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: 280,000 pro-China astroturfers are running amok online .::. Size~: 29.83 KBMar 26 23:04
bruce89mr murdochMar 26 23:04
sebsebsebbruce89: well I guess the chat hadn't exactly finnished, you missed the first bit though, but nevermindMar 26 23:04
bruce89http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/news-website-fail/Mar 26 23:05
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: News website FAIL « Richard WM Jones .::. Size~: 23.24 KBMar 26 23:05
bruce89also, sebsebseb would like http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/78-Community-Distributrion.htmlMar 26 23:05
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Community Distributrion?  - Raw Matter .::. Size~: 20.45 KBMar 26 23:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tosfm Palin at a bike rally? That leather looks tacky. // bike rally! the preserve of elites! her speed is more monster trucksMar 26 23:05
bruce89even if they can't spell distributionMar 26 23:05
_goblinI use "distro"Mar 26 23:06
yuhongFirst time I have heard of it.Mar 26 23:06
bruce89or that of courseMar 26 23:06
_goblinsaves any emberrassing (sic) mistakes.Mar 26 23:06
bruce89indeed, distribution is a pain in the lower backMar 26 23:06
yuhongReportly they are paid 50 cents per astroturfed post.Mar 26 23:07
_goblinAh.....Mar 26 23:07
_goblinSarah Palin......Mar 26 23:07
yuhongschestowitz: Funny, huh?Mar 26 23:07
_goblinfine looking woman.Mar 26 23:07
yuhongHence called "50 cents party"Mar 26 23:08
bruce89_goblin: as insane as a box of spannersMar 26 23:08
schestowitz[23:02] <_goblin> and GaurdianMar 26 23:09
sebsebsebapparantly Rurpthert Murdoch never gives to charity, but also  Richard Branson?Mar 26 23:09
schestowitzAre you sure?Mar 26 23:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bah! Someone just mentioned Tron and I'm now once again reminded that I can't wait for Tron Legacy - December! Duhh!Mar 26 23:09
schestowitzyuhong: yes, I knowMar 26 23:09
zoobabpongMar 26 23:09
schestowitzI heard of it some months agoMar 26 23:09
schestowitzThe "fifty centers"Mar 26 23:10
schestowitzzoobab: hey, zoobabMar 26 23:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Nvidia makes it clear they don't want any of the #Linux market. https://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/26/2240250 #gplMar 26 23:10
schestowitzNot much tweeting recently...Mar 26 23:10
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot | Nvidia Drops Support For Its Open Source Driver .::. Size~: 47.62 KBMar 26 23:10
yuhongFirst time I have heard of it, though.Mar 26 23:10
zoobabyes, busy with the real worldMar 26 23:10
schestowitzDid nvidia ever support that one at all?Mar 26 23:10
schestowitzI thought all they cared about was the blogMar 26 23:11
schestowitz*blobMar 26 23:11
MinceRthey did keep nv up-to-dateMar 26 23:11
bruce89that's nice of themMar 26 23:11
schestowitzzoobab: not Hollywood?Mar 26 23:11
MinceRbut now that nouveau is in the kernel, it's no longer relevantMar 26 23:11
yuhongThough it was basic 2D only.Mar 26 23:11
MinceRuntil a new chip comes out, at leastMar 26 23:11
yuhongAnd was written using hex constants.Mar 26 23:11
MinceRnouveau has some 3d support alreadyMar 26 23:11
MinceRdunno how muchMar 26 23:11
schestowitzMinceR: yes, that's what I thoughtMar 26 23:12
schestowitzThe headline from /. surprised meMar 26 23:12
bruce89I suppose that's true, och wellMar 26 23:12
schestowitz"David Gerard points out that Nouveau is going into Linux 2.6.33. "Mar 26 23:12
schestowitzAhMar 26 23:12
*bruce89 was annoyed, as I just bought a new GPU using their chip, but it appears to be a non-storyMar 26 23:12
MinceRhm, the summary says that nvidia doesn't really care about nouveauMar 26 23:12
MinceRso their reason for dropping nv was actually "screw the customers"Mar 26 23:12
yuhongIn case you hasn't seen it: http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-CanonicalMar 26 23:13
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Interviews Story | Matt Asay Answers Your Questions About Ubuntu and Canonical .::. Size~: 175.6 KBMar 26 23:13
MinceRintel should really release a high-end gpuMar 26 23:13
yuhongFunny that Yahoo was a decent search engine back in the olden days.Mar 26 23:13
yuhongAnd yea, I remember Larrabee.Mar 26 23:13
MinceRhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2010-March/049749.htmlMar 26 23:14
MinceRthey also say that nv doesn't do much beyond what vesa doesMar 26 23:14
schestowitzAh, finally. Mar 26 23:14
schestowitzhttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206728Mar 26 23:14
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Bug 206728 - Wish: restore drag-and-drop support to message folders .::. Size~: 25.21 KBMar 26 23:14
schestowitzPaul Townsend <pvstownsend.abc.zyx@ntlworld.com> changed:Mar 26 23:14
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schestowitzMinceR: probably trueMar 26 23:15
bruce89fair enough I supposeMar 26 23:15
schestowitzMesa advanced a lot recentlyMar 26 23:15
yuhongFunny that Yahoo was a decent search engine back in the olden days.Mar 26 23:19
yuhongschestowitz: What is the site you comment on, again? I could dig it from IRC logs, but...Mar 26 23:22
_goblinHere's a cracking pro-Mono comment (directed at me) as a justification for why Mono is great:Mar 26 23:22
_goblin"I can't explain colours to a blind man. You'll have to try it and see for yourself"Mar 26 23:22
_goblin...Mar 26 23:22
yuhongSilly, if not worse.Mar 26 23:22
_goblinwell I don't know about anyone else, but Im convinced.Mar 26 23:22
_goblin;)Mar 26 23:23
_goblinMono-Martyrs.....youve gotta love em.Mar 26 23:23
yuhongI recently got another Slashdot submission accepted:Mar 26 23:23
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/submission/1199904/Interview-with-Sergey-Brin-over-Google-and-ChinaMar 26 23:24
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot Submission | Interview with Sergey Brin over Google and China .::. Size~: 44.19 KBMar 26 23:24
MinceR"Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself."Mar 26 23:24
yuhonghttp://tweetmeme.com/story/769739761/slashdot-news-story-open-source-is-not-a-democracyMar 26 23:27
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Slashdot News Story | Open Source Is Not a Democracy .::. Size~: 38.06 KBMar 26 23:27
yuhongBN already wrote an article.Mar 26 23:29
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MinceRit's not a democracy, it's anarchy. :>Mar 26 23:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] From the I-told-U-so dept. rt @vertexsymphony: nVIDIA Drops their Open-Source Driver, refers users to VESA driver : http://bit.ly/aKCajuMar 26 23:30
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: [Phoronix] NVIDIA Drops Their Open-Source Driver, Refers Users To VESA Driver .::. Size~: 23.5 KBMar 26 23:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Not even do they refer to nouvaux, go straight for VesaMar 26 23:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Nouveau, I mean...Mar 26 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] You don't champion it but say "C# is designed by the best in the field and it's apparent when you use it" ok...lolMar 26 23:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Is Plurk an example of MS being more "open"?Mar 26 23:41
MinceRgnMar 26 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] This #Huawei E160E usb stick has a "helper" application, on #osx, that eats 20% cpu at all times. Quit app, no connection. #fail @internodeMar 26 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] This #Huawei E160E usb 3G modem has a "helper" application on #osx that eats 20% cpu at all times. Quit app, no connection. #fail @internodeMar 26 23:52
schestowitzHehe. New and funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtI-lSvS028Mar 26 23:56
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- Was God a Volcano? .::. Size~: 178.23 KBMar 26 23:56

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