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_goblinIf anyone has time (or is bored) check out the conversation Ive had with http://twitter.com/alimbada whose only comeback is "google it" a Mono-Martyr with no argument just a few accusations and very little preparation.Mar 27 00:04
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_goblin"For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" - Maybe he should have considered that before engaging me.Mar 27 00:06
_goblinor even:Mar 27 00:06
_goblin"cave quid dicis, quando, et cui."Mar 27 00:07
_goblinGot some good material for the only pro-Mono argument that hasn't involved 4 letter vulgarities.Mar 27 00:08
_goblinand don't forget....if you dare to mention an opinion other than a pro-mono one......http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/ahhhhh-youre-killing-foss/Mar 27 00:08
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schestowitzMissionary pwned by Amazon people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr3q6Cid1poMar 27 00:12
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yuhongPersonally, though I know about Mono's problems, I don't think Ubuntu's use of it is that bad.Mar 27 00:17
yuhongFirst of all, if Mono is attacked using software patents of any kind, it is easy to substitute applications.Mar 27 00:18
yuhongSecond of all, the way Ubuntu uses Mono is unlikely to lead to a switch back to Windows.Mar 27 00:19
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_goblinyuhong: I'd agree, but my issue has always been....Whats the point of Mono in the first place?Mar 27 00:21
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schestowitzPopularising Microsoft APIsMar 27 00:27
sebsebsebianto: you liike Mon and #C well see the convo aboveMar 27 00:29
schestowitzThis is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLU7qcMYKO8Mar 27 00:29
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sebsebsebianto: Mono #C and Ubuntu  and Visaul Studio, and maybe Windows as well :DMar 27 00:29
schestowitzc#?Mar 27 00:29
sebsebsebcubezzz: yeah C#Mar 27 00:29
sebsebsebuhMar 27 00:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: Mar 27 00:30
schestowitzI thought you were twiter-tagging c the first timeMar 27 00:30
schestowitzThen I saw that repatedMar 27 00:30
schestowitzAnyway...Mar 27 00:30
yuhong"Popularising Microsoft APIs" Oops, I quit and restart, can you say that again.Mar 27 00:31
yuhongschestowitz: "Popularising Microsoft APIs"Mar 27 00:32
yuhongOops, I quit and restart ChatZilla, can you say that again.Mar 27 00:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] When I see #fail like the #Huawei E160E usb modem 20% CPU burn, my coding finger starts 2 itch. Wonder how it is on #Linux/Windoz @internodeMar 27 00:34
yuhongAnyway, did you see what I just said about Mono and Ubuntu?Mar 27 00:34
cubezzz?Mar 27 00:35
cubezzzbtw MSN really really sucksMar 27 00:35
cubezzzI got booted off for no reasonMar 27 00:35
yuhongI said that I think Ubuntu can easily switch to alternatives if Mono becomes unusable because of say a software patent.Mar 27 00:36
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_goblinI'd agree, although the worry would be perception of a Mono relationship in the first place and the damage it could do to the Ubuntu distro.Mar 27 00:36
cubezzznever rely on MSNMar 27 00:36
_goblinImagine if Novell had not signed a deal, I would put money on Novell being in the position Canonical is now...Mar 27 00:37
_goblinand since MS are masters of perception management I think they knew the damage the "deal" would do to Novell.Mar 27 00:38
_goblinit was win win for them.Mar 27 00:38
cubezzzI don't think they are masters of perception managementMar 27 00:38
cubezzzthey are transparent fraudstersMar 27 00:38
_goblinfor the masses I think they have perception sorted......Mar 27 00:39
cubezzzI'm sure they _try_ to be masters of perception managementMar 27 00:39
_goblinmost average users don't believe there is anything else to PC's other than Windows.Mar 27 00:39
cubezzzus old timers know betterMar 27 00:39
cubezzzwell they must be young thenMar 27 00:39
_goblinyou'd be suprised...Mar 27 00:40
_goblinmany "old timers" never jumped onto the IT bandwagon until 2000'sMar 27 00:40
_goblinmany of the people I work with don't believe a PC can run without MS products.Mar 27 00:40
cubezzzthat's just sadMar 27 00:40
_goblinyou don't know the half of it.....Mar 27 00:41
_goblinyou have to keep in mind (and this is an example of the "level" I work with)Mar 27 00:41
cubezzzit's much worse than the 80's thenMar 27 00:41
cubezzzno more SGI no more Sparc...Mar 27 00:42
_goblinI once pressed "CTRL-ALT" and the down arrow on a Windows PC (it makes the screen flip upside down).....I did it as a joke to a college just to see if they knew how to fix it......Mar 27 00:42
_goblinI came back in the room to see.......Mar 27 00:42
_goblinthey had physically turned the monitor upside down, just so they could use it.Mar 27 00:42
cubezzz;-)Mar 27 00:43
cubezzzthen you set it back right? :)Mar 27 00:43
_goblinyeah.Mar 27 00:43
_goblinbut it shows the general level of many.Mar 27 00:43
cubezzzwow, college kids are dumb these daysMar 27 00:43
yuhongAnd the way Ubuntu uses Mono, it is unlikely to lead to a switch to Windows.Mar 27 00:43
_goblinthese were grown adults in my workplace.Mar 27 00:44
cubezzzdoes anyone know if sparc is still being made?Mar 27 00:44
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cubezzzlike new cpus and all thatMar 27 00:44
cubezzzAmiga 4000's are still getting $400+ on ebayMar 27 00:45
cubezzzwell... ok I'm depressed now Mar 27 00:46
cubezzzrelatively speakingMar 27 00:46
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yuhonghttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/03/why_microsofts_campus_pub_is_operated_by_a_google_employee.htmlMar 27 01:03
yuhongFunny, huh.Mar 27 01:03
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schestowitzHey, yuhongMar 27 01:05
schestowitzOld newsMar 27 01:05
schestowitzgnMar 27 01:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shattering yet again the myth of #Microsoft as an innovator, using the past week’s news alone http://ur1.ca/ryrqMar 27 01:05
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yuhongOK.Mar 27 01:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Rocking day with the Ubuntu California team at the Ubuntu Global Jam - thanks everyone for coming! :-) #ubuntuMar 27 01:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Added a GtkSpell and more Cairo snippets to Python Snippets - add yours add http://is.gd/b1dQq #ubuntu #python #opportunisticdevelopersMar 27 01:28
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sebsebsebbruce89: jono _goblin ianto http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-radianceambiance-firefox.htmlMar 27 01:31
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bruce89get_iplayer decided to download everythingMar 27 01:31
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sebsebsebbruce89: I think that black theme will make Firefox fit in better on LucidMar 27 01:32
bruce89firefox is crap anywayMar 27 01:33
sebsebsebno it's notMar 27 01:33
bruce89I was just saying that to annoy you, I don't use it so I can't commentMar 27 01:34
bruce89but I don't understand how a dark theme makes a non-native thing integrate betterMar 27 01:34
sebsebsebFirefox doesn't look right on Lucid by defaultMar 27 01:34
sebsebsebother apps that's fineMar 27 01:34
sebsebseb,but then open up Firefox with default theme and uhMar 27 01:35
bruce89because firefox doesn't use GTK+Mar 27 01:35
bruce89probably doesn't like dark themesMar 27 01:35
sebsebsebto black for my likeing at the top,  but if I made the top of actsual Firefox black as well, I think it will look betterMar 27 01:35
sebsebsebwell something to try in vmMar 27 01:35
bruce89at the top?Mar 27 01:35
sebsebsebyeah the title barMar 27 01:35
bruce89I thought you had gone off Ubuntu anywayMar 27 01:35
sebsebseband  the file edit and what not menuMar 27 01:35
sebsebsebstill on the other computer for nowMar 27 01:36
sebsebseband yes i'll be in the IRC when Lucid comes outMar 27 01:36
sebsebsebshould be interestingMar 27 01:36
cubezzzlynx anyone :)Mar 27 01:36
cubezzzplus it compiles fast :)Mar 27 01:36
bruce89hehMar 27 01:37
sebsebseblike it or notMar 27 01:37
sebsebseband yes bruce89 I know you don't care much about market shareMar 27 01:37
sebsebsebI don't care that much to be honest myself, about Desktop Linux gaining a more proper market shareMar 27 01:37
sebsebsebI guess mobile will take over insteadMar 27 01:37
cubezzzperhapsMar 27 01:37
sebsebseb,but yeah would be nice to have  say  4% ?Mar 27 01:38
cubezzzI need a real keyboard thoughMar 27 01:38
bruce89not reallyMar 27 01:38
sebsebsebfor Desktop Linux market shareMar 27 01:38
cubezzzI want 33% :)Mar 27 01:38
sebsebseband it is nice to help newbies with Ubuntu or other Linux distrosMar 27 01:38
cubezzzWindows 33% Mac 33% Linux 33%Mar 27 01:38
bruce89what's the other 1%?Mar 27 01:38
cubezzzBSD? :)Mar 27 01:38
*bruce89 should download Debian kfreebsd to annoy sebsebseb Mar 27 01:39
sebsebsebbruce89: uh above that was meant to be, I don't care that much anymore,  about Desktop Linux gaining a more proper market shareMar 27 01:39
bruce89any moreMar 27 01:39
sebsebsebbruce89: that woudn't annoy meMar 27 01:39
sebsebsebI know Debian use a BSD kernel]Mar 27 01:39
sebsebsebkernelMar 27 01:39
sebsebsebBSD is Unix :)Mar 27 01:39
sebsebsebabove that was meant to be, I know Debian can use a BSD kernelMar 27 01:40
bruce89ahMar 27 01:40
bruce89I was going to point that outMar 27 01:40
cubezzzI'm getting a SparcMar 27 01:40
bruce89interestingMar 27 01:40
sebsebsebA Sparc?Mar 27 01:40
cubezzzno more wintel for meMar 27 01:40
cubezzzyeah and they still make new ones tooMar 27 01:41
bruce89don't be MIPSyMar 27 01:41
bruce89you're pulling my ARMMar 27 01:41
cubezzzI got a zaurus :)Mar 27 01:41
sebsebsebmake Firefox look right, and  I think i'll have the default theme on 10.04 for my brothersMar 27 01:41
cubezzzx86 is boringMar 27 01:41
sebsebseboh as for the buttons on the left, they probably won't care muchMar 27 01:41
sebsebsebyes I can put on the right, but I been thinking about thatMar 27 01:42
sebsebsebwhy have it like Windows?Mar 27 01:42
bruce89why have it like OS X?Mar 27 01:42
sebsebsebin fact if I remember correctly one of the first things when I was new to Desktop Linux, was how  Gnome and KDE, were both quite Windows like relalyMar 27 01:42
cubezzzprobably to get dozers onto Linux easierMar 27 01:42
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sebsebsebbruce89: ah, but it's not so much like OS XMar 27 01:42
bruce89sebsebseb: did you read my article, it's very interestingMar 27 01:43
sebsebseb,because the buttons don't look as nice as OS X's window buttonsMar 27 01:43
sebsebseband they are in an odd orderMar 27 01:43
cubezzzit's all WIMPMar 27 01:43
sebsebsebbruce89: what article?Mar 27 01:43
cubezzzthere's not a lot of variationMar 27 01:43
bruce89the community oneMar 27 01:43
sebsebsebbruce89: WIMP?Mar 27 01:43
cubezzzWindows Icon Mouse PulldownMar 27 01:43
bruce89it's a pathetic personMar 27 01:43
bruce89damn, cubezzz gave the real answerMar 27 01:43
bruce89sebsebseb: http://www.scrum.com/celticleague/rugby/story/113238.htmlMar 27 01:43
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cubezzzwhy don't we have 3d interface?Mar 27 01:44
sebsebsebbruce89: No I forgot about that, and  not sure where the link gone, you can give againMar 27 01:44
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bruce89heh, wrong oneMar 27 01:44
cubezzzI mean it is 2010Mar 27 01:44
bruce89also, sebsebseb would like http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/78-Community-Distributrion.htmlMar 27 01:45
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bruce89cubezzz: well, meego appears to, and gnome-shell is kind ofMar 27 01:45
sebsebsebcubezzz: well I saw on BBC Click,  3D lap topsMar 27 01:45
sebsebsebcubezzz: not much 3D stuff for them thoughMar 27 01:45
sebsebsebexcept for gamesMar 27 01:45
sebsebsebgoing back to buttons on the left, it seems to be, becasue Shuttleworth wants to do even more Gnome editing in 10.10Mar 27 01:46
sebsebseband put something on the right where the buttons  wereMar 27 01:46
sebsebsebthing is by 10.10  Gnome 3 will probably be used instead :)  on other computer, if it's still going to run UbuntuMar 27 01:47
bruce89I vote for a fork-o-matic linkMar 27 01:47
sebsebsebI am not sure yet, if going to move the buttons to the right,  or keep on leftMar 27 01:47
sebsebsebthere seems to  be no proper reason to have on left by default in 10.04 though.  also Gnome 3 will have buttons on the right?Mar 27 01:48
bruce89GNOME 3.0 has no difference in that regardMar 27 01:48
sebsebsebbruce89: no buttons? or?Mar 27 01:48
bruce89I've yet to see any theme changes proposedMar 27 01:48
bruce89I assume there will be some kind of dark theme, because the top bar is blackMar 27 01:49
sebsebsebwhy get  my brothers used to using those buttons on the left and in the odd Ubuntu order,  if  I upgrade to 10.10,   They end up using those buttons on the right like before?   Also when on Windows they will be used to them on the right.Mar 27 01:49
sebsebsebjust buttons,  but  why change something when what was before, is fineMar 27 01:50
sebsebsebAlso  Bing/Yahoo which is the default or Google, hrmMar 27 01:50
bruce89sebsebseb: have you read my article?Mar 27 01:51
bruce89it is very interesting, trust meMar 27 01:51
sebsebsebbruce89: see two Ubuntu changes,  that have to make experienced users think about if  they want to change or notMar 27 01:51
sebsebsebI am about to read itMar 27 01:51
bruce89it talks about how Ubuntu is not a community distro, so this sort of thing is expectedMar 27 01:52
bruce89and the fact comments on its bug tracker tend to be of a low qualityMar 27 01:53
_goblinAnyone who was active with me on Microsoft watch around a year and a half ago should know that Philosopher has just been in contact....great to hear from him after so long....MSwatch posting were happy times.Mar 27 01:56
sebsebsebbruce89: well the thing itself isn't much, but links to other things yesMar 27 01:56
bruce89sebsebseb: sorry?Mar 27 01:57
sebsebsebbruce89: the link you gaveMar 27 01:57
sebsebsebwasn't muchMar 27 01:57
sebsebsebit's a messageMar 27 01:57
sebsebsebthat links to other thingsMar 27 01:57
bruce89also, sebsebseb would like http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/78-Community-Distributrion.htmlMar 27 01:58
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sebsebsebbruce89: yes that's what I went onMar 27 01:58
bruce89ah, that wasn't the oneMar 27 01:59
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SuborbitalPigeonsebsebseb: http://blog.steve.org.uk/i_don_t_like_it_when_people_yell_at_me_for_no_reason_at_all.htmlMar 27 02:02
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bruce89good god https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicyMar 27 02:04
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amarsh04back in a few, trying an earlier kernel that uses a different ide driverMar 27 02:05
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bruce89crazy, seems they're going to patch everything to use MiB etc.Mar 27 02:10
sebsebsebbruce89: MiB  ?   Mandriva International Imports?Mar 27 02:11
sebsebsebuh BackportsMar 27 02:11
bruce89MibibytesMar 27 02:11
sebsebsebbruce89: anyway read  that blog, what about it?Mar 27 02:11
sebsebsebbruce89: that would be interesting if Ubuntu used MIBMar 27 02:11
sebsebsebheh hehMar 27 02:12
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bruce89apparently they want to introduce a library - libunits that everything will link toMar 27 02:15
_goblinRight, Im off the night....gn..Mar 27 02:21
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bruce89sebsebseb: read it?Mar 27 02:24
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iantoMen In Black I would've suspected instead of your response sebsebseb.  Either that or what bruce89 said ;)Mar 27 02:27
bruce89ah yes, heh, forgot about thaMar 27 02:28
sebsebsebbruce89: read that Ubuntu site link, no not yetMar 27 02:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Glade improvements on the way, and much needed - http://is.gd/b1rU1 #gnome #glade #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopersMar 27 04:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We have another Shot Of Jaq Publicity Bingo Win! Produce a Shot Of Jaq video game/map - http://is.gd/b1uqC #shotofjaqMar 27 05:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @harrymyhre: @jonobacon have been trying out the new 10.4 beta all day on my MSI u100 wind. Everything works great.Mar 27 05:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Getting the itch to get a live Severed Fifth band together and do some gigs...Mar 27 05:16
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #NVidia really does hate !Linux http://ur1.ca/rydaMar 27 06:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Dumping in Healthcare; Michigan, California, New York, and Jordan Also Targeted http://ur1.ca/s080Mar 27 08:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sony shuts Beyonce's Youtube site down http://ur1.ca/s0baMar 27 08:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #security still broken, judging by #Pwn2Own http://ur1.ca/s0p5 #Vista7 cracked again , anyone shocked?Mar 27 09:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive decided that I'm in love with my HTC and Android. To think I suffered with Windows Mobile for so long. #windows #androidMar 27 10:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Music critic oppressed by The Man. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2010/03/27/music-critic-oppressed-by-the-man/Mar 27 10:23
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schestowitzJ0Mar 27 10:30
schestowitzI'm going to a friend's house soon..Mar 27 10:30
schestowitzQuiet day..Mar 27 10:30
DaemonFChttp://failblog.org/2010/03/26/ad-placement-fail-5/Mar 27 10:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sells Algorithms But Not Programs, Sued for #Patent Violations in #Zune http://ur1.ca/s0zuMar 27 10:43
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DaemonFChttp://failblog.org/2010/03/16/comcast-fail-2/Mar 27 10:54
DaemonFCniceMar 27 10:54
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DaemonFC10 MB is like having a hard drive?Mar 27 10:54
DaemonFCIs this 1985?Mar 27 10:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wooah! New Ubuntu startup twinkly stars!Mar 27 10:55
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DaemonFCso much for Happy Meal toysMar 27 10:59
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DaemonFCschestowitz will like thatMar 27 11:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s past as seen from the eyes of people who make money from #Microsoft , courtesy of IDG http://ur1.ca/s1dgMar 27 11:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Want! Super strength Marmite! RT @jupitusphillip WTF!? http://yfrog.com/j0iajvjMar 27 11:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@arkadyrose is discovering why people call these things "crackberries".Mar 27 11:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Citrix is prioritising #Windows Server and so does #Amazon , which continues to discriminate against #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/s1f8Mar 27 11:53
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schestowitzbblMar 27 11:53
schestowitzOut celebratingMar 27 11:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I really do need a new look for my site...none of the WP themes seem suitable....maybe I'll create my own....Mar 27 11:59
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MinceRhttp://www.betanews.com/article/Has-SSL-become-pointless-Researchers-suspect-statesponsored-CA-forgery/1269551694   http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/packet-forensics/Mar 27 13:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Looking forward to recording another @uupc with another great interviewee lined up :)Mar 27 13:05
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Omar87Hi all.Mar 27 14:36
MinceRhayMar 27 14:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Free MP3s are not rare and cost the user minutes of their lives and ISP bandwidth usage. Is there a business model in making people care?Mar 27 15:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And yet again, the yearly Pwn20wn hacking contest proves just how terrible #Windows is when it comes to security: http://tinyurl.com/ye5zhpbMar 27 15:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #IE8 busted in under 2 minutes at #Pwn20wn!! http://tinyurl.com/ybrtk3wMar 27 15:09
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Omar87Man! This is hilarious! :PMar 27 15:20
MinceRhttp://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=222Mar 27 15:27
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MinceRhttp://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2000/ga000208.gifMar 27 15:56
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cubezzzbut Garfield wasn't funnyMar 27 15:59
cubezzzHeathcliff ftw :)Mar 27 15:59
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cubezzzhard to believe it all started in 1978Mar 27 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Parents of kids at Sophie's (6) school were alarmed to hear from the children that in Physical Education they were learning Pole Dancing!Mar 27 16:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] .. that would be May Pole Dancing! :) (phew!)Mar 27 16:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: PF#19: Mardi Picasso, 1994. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2010/03/27/pf19-mardi-picasso-1994/Mar 27 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Priest: "It was the sexy kids' faults" http://is.gd/b2cP2 CATHOLICS: YOUR DONATIONS AT WORKMar 27 16:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I have gone from a house full of kids to a soft-play centre with an awful lot more noisy kids. Not mine of course :)Mar 27 16:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FUCKING ROCKNERD GOT MALWARED AARGH You know kids, when they say "keep Wordpress up to date"? They really mean it.Mar 27 16:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Uh... Pathetic naive people never fail at turning my guts!! ><Mar 27 16:58
Omar87schestowitz, ping.Mar 27 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today is Earth Day. Candles make more CO2 than electric lights. You idiot.Mar 27 17:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Quit mass-hypnotizing the minds of the innocent youth please, will ya? @mshadyMar 27 17:14
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cubezzzis pwn2own over the net?Mar 27 17:18
Diablo-D3noMar 27 17:19
Diablo-D3its over a network, obviouslyMar 27 17:19
Diablo-D3but you have to show up in personMar 27 17:19
cubezzzahMar 27 17:20
Omar87I wonder if there's anything new about Scarepoint.Mar 27 17:20
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Took my day off, had fun in queen's land -amusement park with office pals http://www.queenslandamusementpark.com/Mar 27 17:22
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Omar87So, Pwn2own is still going atm?Mar 27 17:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whats going on? Its the weekend and O2 hasn't let me down yet? Maybe Ive been switched already and haven't noticed?Mar 27 17:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Trial – A mobilephobics view of Android (complimented with the HTC Hero) http://tinyurl.com/yhs2wxb #htc #android #winmobMar 27 18:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "In the land of the blind, the [one-eyed man] is king." ~Erasmus (of Rotterdam)Mar 27 18:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez According to a Twitter user, Im "Blind" for not liking Mono....He's the latest Mono-Martyr Ive discovered.Mar 27 18:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez Shame he can't defend his product properly, maybe he doesn't have the argument or mayb just the knowledge?Mar 27 18:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez He another person who claims to be a "professional" coder.... Yep a pro using C#....Maybe a pro-Lamer...Mar 27 18:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin yeah. Perhaps. :)Mar 27 18:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin You'll be surprised at how pathetic some of the people I know are.Mar 27 18:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez Maybe they are the same people who try to challenge me? alimbada was probably the weakest yet....Mar 27 18:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez If these are the people promoting Mono, then the framework will be completely dumped within the year.Mar 27 18:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin they were clapping and applauding for some stupid Sharepoint Mass-hypnosis campaign lately, as if watching a Diamondbacks match.Mar 27 18:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin LOL! Nice one! :PMar 27 18:15
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Omar87_goblin, pingMar 27 18:19
Omar87_goblin, are you there?Mar 27 18:29
_goblinyeah...Mar 27 18:36
_goblinjust having a smoke....Mar 27 18:36
_goblinbrbMar 27 18:36
cubezzzzaurus makes a pretty good EreaderMar 27 18:38
cubezzzI can even rotate the screenMar 27 18:38
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user99672does anyone here know how to program with QuickBASIC 4.5?Mar 27 18:50
user99672* hereMar 27 18:50
user99672no reply, typicalMar 27 18:51
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cubezzzlolMar 27 18:52
cubezzza microsoft creation...Mar 27 18:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Teacher arrested for banging 18 year old student that wasnt his and not at his school, woman's rights set back 20 years http://ur1.ca/s2swMar 27 18:52
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cubezzzI wouldn't mind finding dosbox for zaurus thoughMar 27 18:53
Omar87Where's Roy?Mar 27 18:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] 'allo folks, boy did I need that sleep. :-)Mar 27 18:54
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Omar87Oh my God.. I just found out that MS is the maker of the Verdana font. My favorite font is made by M$!! T_TMar 27 19:01
Omar87And Arial as well.. :(Mar 27 19:01
cubezzzI'm sure there's a similar font for LinuxMar 27 19:02
MinceRi prefer Bitstream Vera/DejaVu SansMar 27 19:02
cubezzzStandard Symbols L, 14 for me in xchatMar 27 19:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Finally back to Delhi after a week long trip for #foss.Mar 27 19:04
cubezzzgutenburg could have named their files better rather than 2345.txtMar 27 19:10
cubezzzplus the audio links look exactly the same as the text linksMar 27 19:10
cubezzzstill, I shouldn't complain that the copyright on _some_ things finally expiredMar 27 19:11
cubezzzI had an interesting talk with a Waterloo guy the other dayMar 27 19:32
cubezzzhe disagreed with my use of older operating systemsMar 27 19:32
cubezzzI said that is one of the perks of FOSSMar 27 19:35
cubezzzI have the source, I can maintain older systems myselfMar 27 19:35
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cubezzzwell that sucks, I can't run dosbox on zaurusMar 27 19:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] WRT Gwibber and Indicator Applet in Ubuntu Lucid. Is this working as designed or am I missing something? http://bit.ly/bwHzxgMar 27 20:25
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schestowitz"@schestowitz microsoft is a dictatorship" http://identi.ca/conversation/26251750#notice-26265271 http://identi.ca/conversation/26254352#notice-26267463 "@schestowitz what's this about redhat signing a deal w/ microsoft? @lxoliva hasn't said anything and i know he would"   "@schestowitz Hmmmm that's very interesting. Microsoft has been the golden eggs chicken for some peoples... Not only Bill Gates..." http://identi.ca/Mar 27 20:27
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schestowitzHeh. http://groups.google.com/group/transitiontownrichmond/browse_thread/thread/9be281f232fa6529/ea6e12154db7a490Mar 27 20:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering how many people will tweet that they have turned off electrical devices for #earthhourMar 27 20:29
_goblinNot me (re: the above tweet)Mar 27 20:30
_goblinsilly idea, makes no difference....Global warming (if indeed it is a direct result of man) is a requirement for the development of mankind.Mar 27 20:30
_goblinalthough it doesn't explain why Mars seems to be suffering the same warming.......Mar 27 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Some interesting discussion about the value of planet blog aggregators at http://is.gd/b0pdL #shotofjaqMar 27 20:31
MinceRone hour of not being able to do anything meaningful isn't going to help anywayMar 27 20:31
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_goblinMinceR: Thats the reason I left Windows.....I only ever managed 1 hour of uptime.... ;)Mar 27 20:32
_goblinyou see I think the development of mankind hinges on Global warming.Mar 27 20:32
MinceRhow so?Mar 27 20:32
_goblinman has always advanced and developed from adversity....its the human condition, adapt, evolve, survive.Mar 27 20:33
MinceRthere's no need for global warming thenMar 27 20:33
MinceRhuman society generates more adversity than anyone needsMar 27 20:33
_goblinthere is, its a problem......mankind adapts and advances.Mar 27 20:33
_goblinalternative fuelsMar 27 20:33
_goblinetcMar 27 20:33
_goblinwe are slowly approaching a point where the line between imagination and realistic technologies is getting thinner.....global warming will be one such step in the advancement of mankind, just like any large scale adversity....Mar 27 20:35
MinceRhow much of the biosphere has to die so that mankind can learn its lesson?Mar 27 20:35
_goblinmaybe all of it.....Mar 27 20:35
_goblinthen it will produce the next "industrial revolution"Mar 27 20:35
_goblinand the next step in human historyMar 27 20:35
MinceRno, then it will produce starvation to deathMar 27 20:35
MinceRalso, suffocating in lack of oxygenMar 27 20:36
_goblinit won't because the human condition adapts....Mar 27 20:36
_goblinthats my point.....Mar 27 20:36
_goblinthrough adversity we perform at our bestMar 27 20:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] dd'ing zeros on SSD of Eee 900 to reinstall Lucid for a clean start and testing the installer.Mar 27 20:36
_goblinotherwise we go staleMar 27 20:36
_goblinthe greatest acts of humanity are performed in the greatest times of need.Mar 27 20:37
_goblinthe soldier who runs across the battlefield to save a comrad.Mar 27 20:37
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_goblinthats my theory anyway.Mar 27 20:37
MinceRsounds like a bad excuse to meMar 27 20:38
_goblinnot really....Mar 27 20:38
_goblinas mankind can't be to blame for Mars heating up too.Mar 27 20:38
_goblinmaybe, just maybe its designed to force us into a more cohesive society....Mar 27 20:39
_goblinmaybe its to force us on the next stage of advancement.Mar 27 20:39
_goblinor maybe its a message to say the time is up for Humans....time to give something else a go.Mar 27 20:39
MinceRyes, designedMar 27 20:40
_goblinIt was president Regan who said that the one way to unite the world and make them realize we are all the same would be if aliens were to invade....I think he had a point....global problem, united planet.Mar 27 20:40
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MinceRactually there's another way -- evolving into creatures that aren't quite so stupidMar 27 20:41
MinceRon averageMar 27 20:41
_goblinUntil Microsoft staff are taken off earth thats hardly a reality.Mar 27 20:41
MinceRthat's achievable.Mar 27 20:42
_goblinI suggest putting them on Europa....Mar 27 20:42
_goblinor possibly Titan.Mar 27 20:42
_goblinTheres nice views on those planets.Mar 27 20:42
*schestowitz listens to http://linuxbasement.com/content/lb-episode-52-podcatching-asterisk-linux-basementMar 27 20:42
MinceRi'd rather put them into the SunMar 27 20:42
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_goblinthey are so cold hearted they would probably put it out.Mar 27 20:42
MinceRnahMar 27 20:43
MinceRthey're no match for the power of the Sun :>Mar 27 20:43
_goblinthats why I suggest a moon of saturn.....titan is rather cold.....they would be right at home.Mar 27 20:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, Is it me or is it completely non-obvious how to follow someone in gwibber? I click someone mentioned, click them but how to follow?Mar 27 20:43
_goblinMincer: Ballmer would probably patent sunlight.Mar 27 20:43
MinceRhe can't because he'll be turned into plasmaMar 27 20:43
_goblinAfter listening to some of his "talks" I think he's immune, he does not quite exist in our dimension.....Mar 27 20:44
schestowitz[20:38] <_goblin> as mankind can't be to blame for Mars heating up too.Mar 27 20:44
schestowitzSource?Mar 27 20:44
_goblin"we bing, bing, bing all the time here!"Mar 27 20:44
_goblinEr...standby....Mar 27 20:45
_goblinTimes Online.....Mar 27 20:45
_goblinwant the link?Mar 27 20:45
_goblintheres loads of articles on it.Mar 27 20:45
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MinceRwhat side is murdoch on? :>Mar 27 20:45
_goblinhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.eceMar 27 20:45
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_goblinSchestowitz: National Geographic also reports it Roy.....hundreds of others too....Im suprised you didn't see the articles at the time.Mar 27 20:46
_goblinhttp://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.htmlMar 27 20:46
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MinceRstrange, i remember reading that solar output hasn't increased sufficiently to explain global warmingMar 27 20:50
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_goblinMincer: Speaking for myself (as someone without a science background or job) I can only go off what I read, it seems everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they are right.....what I would say is this....Mar 27 20:54
_goblinIF Global warming is manmade our attempts to curb it are pointless.......until the large offending countries come on board....something which I don't think will ever happen, hell we can't even tell millions of Windows users to come over to Linux for a better experience, despite all the evidence....Mar 27 20:56
_goblinwhat chance does Global Warming have?Mar 27 20:56
MinceRso your argument is "i don't think we can stop the worst offenders so let's just give up"Mar 27 20:57
schestowitz_goblin: Murdoch is not scienceMar 27 20:57
schestowitzIt's disinformationMar 27 20:57
schestowitzAGFAIK, we don't have probes checking the temp. in MarsMar 27 20:58
schestowitz_goblin: Nat Geo is NOT a scientific journalMar 27 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering if I'll have a contract on 16th September 2010. if I do, I'll donate my days salary to Bletchley Park #work4bletchleyMar 27 20:58
schestowitzI've seen other global warming disinfo coming from thereMar 27 20:58
schestowitzI could find vids about itMar 27 20:58
schestowitzBut I'd rather not chat not cause I'm not soberMar 27 20:59
schestowitz[20:57] <MinceR> so your argument is "i don't think we can stop the worst offenders so let's just give up"Mar 27 20:59
schestowitzThat's the classic oneMar 27 20:59
schestowitzTHe question is not, does it happen?Mar 27 21:00
schestowitzIt's about whether we can increase it, which we do. It can also cause famineMar 27 21:00
schestowitzI had a long chat about it today at the bar... and a lot of people fall for the disinfo, which is scaryMar 27 21:00
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schestowitzit usually boils down to people just not understandingMar 27 21:01
_goblinor we can incurr extra economic cost trying to prevent it, whilst the other countries stick two fingers up at the idea...Mar 27 21:01
_goblinso we go broke and still get the warming.Mar 27 21:01
_goblinI'll tell you something else....Mar 27 21:01
_goblinI have a friend who used to work for the environmental health dept...who CLAIMS that the space saved in UK landfill by people recycling is sold to the USA for their junk.Mar 27 21:01
_goblinThe better solution would be to accept the warming and find a technology so we can live with it.....human advancement.....Mar 27 21:01
_goblinschestowitz: they were just two....theres many more....Mar 27 21:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Right, so bug 519262 http://bit.ly/d9RAbF is about Gwibber not having a follow button. #gwibber users mark that bug as affecting you.Mar 27 21:02
schestowitz[21:01] <_goblin> so we go broke and still get the warming.Mar 27 21:02
schestowitzNature has no notion of "Broke"Mar 27 21:03
_goblinschestowitz: to be fair, everyone has an opinion and everyone says the other is wrong.Mar 27 21:03
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schestowitzBroke is when you can't extract more from nature or water is too contaminated maybeMar 27 21:03
_goblinschestowitz: no, but our reality does.....broke means being unable to do something, like pay for armour for troops....Mar 27 21:03
schestowitzEconomics does not come into itMar 27 21:03
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phIRCe-BNcomHello World!Mar 27 21:03
_goblinschestowitz: economics, rightly or wrongly keeps us alive.....Mar 27 21:03
MinceRor kills usMar 27 21:04
_goblinwe are three meals away from anarchy.Mar 27 21:04
MinceRif onlyMar 27 21:04
schestowitz[21:01] <_goblin> I have a friend who used to work for the environmental health dept...who CLAIMS that the space saved in UK landfill by people recycling is sold to the USA for their junk.Mar 27 21:04
schestowitzNo.Mar 27 21:04
schestowitzhey would not use boats for trashMar 27 21:04
_goblinbut to be fair, your opinion is just as valid as his.Mar 27 21:04
schestowitzThey have enough burial space in the US or even down in .mxMar 27 21:04
_goblinschestowitz: very true, but would the USA want to use it?Mar 27 21:05
schestowitzWhat they do do here is intelligenceMar 27 21:05
schestowitzLike their bases that store my E-mails for the US armyMar 27 21:05
_goblin?Mar 27 21:05
_goblinwhat BN?Mar 27 21:05
_goblinor do you mean everyone.Mar 27 21:05
schestowitzEveryone'sMar 27 21:05
schestowitzYorkshireMar 27 21:05
_goblinah...Mar 27 21:05
_goblinand whats the problem with that?Mar 27 21:06
schestowitzI spoke to some ex-army people todayMar 27 21:06
schestowitzThey too know about itMar 27 21:06
_goblinim sure you are not plotting anything.Mar 27 21:06
schestowitzDoesn't matterMar 27 21:06
schestowitzSee Schneier's response to SchmidtMar 27 21:06
schestowitzThey are stomping on my right to privacyMar 27 21:06
schestowitzI get some leaksMar 27 21:06
schestowitzThat's how I make some unique postsMar 27 21:07
_goblinbut then I could hide in a bush and listen to what you say to your friends.....infact anyone can do that....whats the difference?  you are not doing anything wrong, so whats the problem?Mar 27 21:07
schestowitzAnd they can target people for stakeholder, as proven beforeMar 27 21:07
schestowitz_goblin: wait.Mar 27 21:07
schestowitzLet me get the explanationMar 27 21:07
_goblinand do you really think the army would be interested in anything said here? Do you really think they would even want to read it?Mar 27 21:07
schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.htmlMar 27 21:07
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Schneier on Security: My Reaction to Eric Schmidt .::. Size~: 147.12 KBMar 27 21:07
schestowitz_goblin: no, unless there is something elseMar 27 21:08
_goblinah....yes I read that before.Mar 27 21:08
schestowitzLike, if they try to match something to a preferred conclusionMar 27 21:08
schestowitzIt does not work as you imagineMar 27 21:08
_goblinand when has that happened?Mar 27 21:08
schestowitzI'm sure some things you do are against the lawMar 27 21:08
_goblinnothing.Mar 27 21:08
schestowitzYou don't need to feed with something to quote-mine or convict you withMar 27 21:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Earth Hour activists "go green" by producing more CO2 http://newstechnica.com/?p=1885Mar 27 21:09
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Earth Hour activists go green by producing more CO2 | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.5 KBMar 27 21:09
schestowitz_goblin: if you watched on YouTube a copyrighted films (as BillG admitted doing), then you are a "felon"Mar 27 21:09
schestowitzRules are tools for convictionMar 27 21:10
schestowitzIt's only about when someone wants to invoke themMar 27 21:10
schestowitzAFAIK, some of the vids OpenBytes links to are copyrightedMar 27 21:10
schestowitzIn my sites, I'm exceptionally careful to choose public domain or GPL picturesMar 27 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Odd questions my wife asks me: "Why do farts smell of poo?", "Obviously you've got one in the nudge bank".. I despair, I really do.Mar 27 21:12
schestowitzA lot of reader would never appreciate this, but I'm very selective when avoiding copytihgtMar 27 21:12
_goblinand when has this happened?Mar 27 21:12
_goblinI had this debate before with someone.....Mar 27 21:12
_goblinwhere is the miscarrages of justice...?Mar 27 21:12
_goblinif anything the UK is pro-suspect....not pro-prosecution.Mar 27 21:12
_goblincases can be thrown out because the PACE requirement of hourly cell checks have not been carried out....you tell me....who is the law really in favour of?Mar 27 21:12
_goblina pedophile had their case thrown out (and their material returned) because police did not execute the search warrant correctly....he had the material, it was returned to him....tell me, how does the establishment and law have the advantage over the civilian/suspect?Mar 27 21:12
_goblinPolice cannot engage in covert observation without a mass of permissions.....members of public can covertly observe anyone they like...Mar 27 21:12
_goblinthe press (and uninformed public) like to have this view/image of the establishement which reads more like 1984 than reality.......let me example something else.....in respect of stop and search.....Mar 27 21:13
_goblintheres no obligation to give your details when you are stopped and searched (providing you are not being dealt with for an offence)Mar 27 21:14
_goblin"Rules are tools for conviction" - Really? but then everywhere has rules, even this chat room...Mar 27 21:15
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_goblinotherwise its anarchyMar 27 21:15
_goblinwe would be full of trolls preventing conversation if it was not for rules here.Mar 27 21:15
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schestowitzNoit a good analogyMar 27 21:16
schestowitzSorry, I'm just catching up nowMar 27 21:16
*schestowitz still partly drunkMar 27 21:16
_goblinschestowitz: In respect of that copyright law you mentioned, its only being suggested at the moment in the USA (i beleive) and it certainly doesn't apply to me and you from the UKMar 27 21:16
schestowitzThe chat regulation is differentMar 27 21:16
schestowitzI'm talking about criminalisationMar 27 21:16
schestowitzJ-walking is a violation of the lawMar 27 21:17
_goblinwhat criminalisation....please give me an example of it.Mar 27 21:17
_goblinJ-Walking?Mar 27 21:17
schestowitzI sometimes cross the road when there are  no cars aroundMar 27 21:17
_goblinin the UK?Mar 27 21:17
schestowitzShould I -- like others who do it -- be fineMar 27 21:17
schestowitzArrested?Mar 27 21:17
schestowitz*finedMar 27 21:17
_goblinschestowitz: there is no J-walking offence in the UKMar 27 21:17
schestowitzThere is a reasonable wiggling roomMar 27 21:17
_goblin?Mar 27 21:17
schestowitzLike if a car ism nowhere to be seenMar 27 21:17
schestowitzHey, Chips_B_MalroyMar 27 21:18
schestowitzMS-Watch club is hereMar 27 21:18
schestowitzAll 2 readers of it :-)Mar 27 21:18
_goblinschestowitz: I can assure you, there is no offence (or one even remotely close to) a J-walking offence here in the UK.....the closest would be.......Mar 27 21:18
schestowitz3.Mar 27 21:18
schestowitzMe includedMar 27 21:18
_goblinCausing an unnecessary obstruction with a motor vehicle.......Mar 27 21:18
_goblinwhere a motor vehicle is defined as:Mar 27 21:18
schestowitzBut is that a written law?Mar 27 21:19
_goblinA mechanically propelled vehicle, designed or adapted for use on the road.Mar 27 21:19
_goblinyeoMar 27 21:19
_goblinyepMar 27 21:19
Chips_B_MalroyWas watching the local news last night, where the local official unemployment rate was up to 13.4% it dropped to 13.2% in Feb. and Is now 14.0% in Las VegasMar 27 21:19
schestowitz_goblin: ok, bad example thenMar 27 21:20
Chips_B_Malroywhile Vegas might not be a typical city in the usa, stillMar 27 21:20
schestowitzThe law is twisted anywayMar 27 21:20
_goblinso what would you do if you were talking a friend to hospital and I blocked the road with my car....would you just accept that or would you want a rule to try to prevent me doing it.....As I say, we need rules...people cannot be trusted to behave responsibly by themselves.Mar 27 21:20
schestowitzIt has you flagged for minor thingMar 27 21:20
schestowitzA friend of mine who served in Kuwait knew of violations with life at stake and no punishmentMar 27 21:20
schestowitzHe had served in the division that was later caught in the whole Iraq torture scandalMar 27 21:21
MinceR_goblin: following rules is not the only way to act responsiblyMar 27 21:21
schestowitzThe colonel got sackedMar 27 21:21
MinceR_goblin: anarchy isn't "total lack of rules"Mar 27 21:21
schestowitzThese thugs kill peopleMar 27 21:21
Chips_B_MalroyMy feeling is the economy, is getting worse hereMar 27 21:21
_goblinagreed.Mar 27 21:21
MinceR_goblin: get your facts rightMar 27 21:21
schestowitzAnd as he said, there's no law thrteMar 27 21:21
schestowitzThe reason it came to light is only leaksMar 27 21:21
schestowitzLike troops uploading picsMar 27 21:21
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it will carry onMar 27 21:22
schestowitz"yellow man" (meant in a good way) shall inherit the EarthMar 27 21:22
schestowitzMy cardiac surgeon friend is from Malaysia and he tells me of their advancements thereMar 27 21:23
schestowitzPeople here agree basicallyMar 27 21:23
schestowitzSome still in denialMar 27 21:23
schestowitzProduction is now in AsiaMar 27 21:23
schestowitzManagement will tooMar 27 21:23
schestowitzMaybe we should all study MandarinMar 27 21:24
schestowitzCould make us valuable when Chinese companies take over Western firmsMar 27 21:24
schestowitzChina almost bought part of Federal MotorsMar 27 21:24
schestowitzIt backed offMar 27 21:24
schestowitzFOr nowMar 27 21:24
cubezzzdun dun DUNNN!Mar 27 21:24
Chips_B_MalroyI suspect that MS Nick from Steattle Times, partly is a MS fan, because MS is the largest employer there.  If the economy is still tanking overall in the USA, we will continue to see layoffs in Seattle, and acelerated offshoring by corporations, including, and especially Microsoft.Mar 27 21:25
cubezzzanything would be better than being ruled by MicrosoftMar 27 21:25
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Chips_B_MalroyGates is now getting into the Nuclear Power plant businessMar 27 21:26
cubezzzyeah I heardMar 27 21:26
Chips_B_MalroyHope he is not going run Windows as the safety system to run those Nuke plantsMar 27 21:26
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cubezzzI was just about to say... :)Mar 27 21:27
cubezzzblue screen of death could be literal death thenMar 27 21:27
MinceRblue mushroom cloud of deathMar 27 21:27
Chips_B_Malroyyou just know he willMar 27 21:27
Chips_B_MalroyRed Cloud of DeathMar 27 21:28
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Boeing does poorly toMar 27 21:28
schestowitz*tooMar 27 21:28
schestowitzNot many nations buy planesMar 27 21:28
Chips_B_Malroyall the airlines Mar 27 21:28
schestowitzPardon my typos, not sober, stillMar 27 21:28
schestowitzThe nuclear thing is PRMar 27 21:29
Chips_B_Malroyso you tied one on?Mar 27 21:29
schestowitzGates is in "law"Mar 27 21:29
schestowitzHow ironic, I knowMar 27 21:29
schestowitzHe is not a scientistMar 27 21:29
schestowitzJust patent hoarderMar 27 21:29
schestowitzKeeping quite when he doesn't know, then prepares speechesMar 27 21:29
Chips_B_Malroyhe is a crookMar 27 21:30
schestowitzYesMar 27 21:30
schestowitzNot just himMar 27 21:30
schestowitzMany other billionairesMar 27 21:30
schestowitzI just don't know them well enoughMar 27 21:30
schestowitzMany Gates critics link to BNMar 27 21:30
schestowitzI have a long post coming tomottowMar 27 21:30
schestowitz*RrMar 27 21:30
schestowitzAbout 40 refsMar 27 21:30
Chips_B_MalroyBet there is appox 100 to 200 families (billionares) that effectively run most of the so called Democratic countries of the world through lobyists and other means.Mar 27 21:32
schestowitzMicrosoft will fall along with US economyMar 27 21:33
schestowitzIBM tooMar 27 21:33
schestowitzIt moves to India mostlyMar 27 21:33
schestowitzIt's not a commercial issueMar 27 21:33
Chips_B_MalroyIts the billionares with the real political muscle Mar 27 21:33
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, had a chat today about who lobbies and advises population controlMar 27 21:33
schestowitzGAVI, UN, some world leaders and their funderMar 27 21:34
schestowitzBut we do need population controlMar 27 21:34
schestowitzFor survivalMar 27 21:34
_goblinIn the UK things are different.....in government organisations even membership of the free masons has to be declared (and its certainly not encouraged)Mar 27 21:34
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schestowitzBut they try to set DNA rulesMar 27 21:34
schestowitzI.e. which genes carry onMar 27 21:34
schestowitzNeedless to say, it's favourable to CaucasiansMar 27 21:34
_goblinschestowitz: but isn't population control a removal of a basic human right to reproduce?Mar 27 21:35
schestowitzRussian population already shrinksMar 27 21:35
schestowitzWest Europe too, except a fewMar 27 21:35
_goblinschestowitz: you can't remove that then complain when its percieved that other human rights are removed.Mar 27 21:35
schestowitz_goblin: it's not about human rightsMar 27 21:35
schestowitzThat's the pojtn Mar 27 21:36
_goblinno?Mar 27 21:36
schestowitz*pointMar 27 21:36
Chips_B_MalroyTake Google for example.  Its mostly a good company, but not perfect.  The people at the top seem to have moral ethical concerns, not that they do everything right.Mar 27 21:36
schestowitzit's about Grand PlanMar 27 21:36
_goblinI would have thought the freedom to reproduce freely (rightly or wrongly) is the most fundamental human right we haveMar 27 21:36
schestowitzI don't want to bring up notions like 1920s EugenicsMar 27 21:36
schestowitzBut in a way it can be similar, depending on how it's implementdMar 27 21:37
Chips_B_MalroyAnd corporations, are controled by stockholders, which are mostly controlled by the billionaresMar 27 21:37
schestowitzwe improved drugs (longevity), not nutritionMar 27 21:37
_goblinimplemented? what a population control?Mar 27 21:37
schestowitzAt this pace, in 20 years there'll be 9 billion of usMar 27 21:37
schestowitzVery few fish left by then, many extinxct speciesMar 27 21:37
_goblinthen we adapt or we don't survive....Mar 27 21:37
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfMar 27 21:38
schestowitz_goblin: we'll surviveMar 27 21:38
schestowitzNot foreverMar 27 21:38
_goblinif we justify the removal of a basic human function then anything can be justified.Mar 27 21:38
schestowitzNo species lasts foreverMar 27 21:38
_goblinschestowitz: so far.Mar 27 21:38
schestowitzWe need to expandMar 27 21:38
_goblintheres never been a species like mankindMar 27 21:38
schestowitzHawkins says so tooMar 27 21:38
_goblinthat we know of.Mar 27 21:38
schestowitzANd he DOES have political viewsMar 27 21:38
schestowitzMankind is not specialMar 27 21:39
_goblinwhy not?Mar 27 21:39
schestowitzIt only harms its planetMar 27 21:39
schestowitzWe are biasedMar 27 21:39
_goblinpossible....Mar 27 21:39
schestowitzWe see it as special because it's usMar 27 21:39
schestowitzThat's why we think God looks like us and other such malarkeyMar 27 21:39
_goblinbut then conversley we could be the first ones with the responsibility to populate the universe.Mar 27 21:39
schestowitz_goblin: hardMar 27 21:40
_goblinat the moment.Mar 27 21:40
schestowitzUniverse made randomlyMar 27 21:40
schestowitzMan made to fit planet EarthMar 27 21:40
schestowitzIn only one period of timeMar 27 21:40
_goblinand randomly (if you will) its created us.Mar 27 21:40
schestowitzNoMar 27 21:40
schestowitzProbabilisticMar 27 21:40
schestowitzI tried to explain it to a friendMar 27 21:40
schestowitzPeople have this notions like "purpose" and "Creation"Mar 27 21:40
_goblina course of events (whatever they were) led to our existance now.Mar 27 21:40
schestowitzThese are notions like "faith"Mar 27 21:41
schestowitzWe have no purposeMar 27 21:41
_goblinIm trying not to bring in faithMar 27 21:41
schestowitzMeans of reproduction made all species what they areMar 27 21:41
_goblinschestowitz: if you look at the Universe like the human body.....there is.Mar 27 21:41
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_goblinsurviveMar 27 21:41
_goblinreproduce....improve.Mar 27 21:41
schestowitzUniverse is not an organismMar 27 21:41
_goblinthat we think we understand.Mar 27 21:42
schestowitzNietzsche said this tooMar 27 21:42
schestowitzWe are build to find patternsMar 27 21:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just had a call from Mum.She was busily cropping photos in Picasa and one of them "went black".She's offline so I will have to pop round.Mar 27 21:42
schestowitzEven where there are noneMar 27 21:42
_goblinit wasn't so long ago that humans believed the world was flat.Mar 27 21:42
_goblinit would be arrogant to suggest we know all the answers now.Mar 27 21:42
schestowitzThey knewMar 27 21:42
schestowitzString theory is one of the 'best' we haveMar 27 21:43
schestowitzAnd it failed for decades to prove itselfMar 27 21:43
_goblinjust like if you went back 1000 years and showed someone a TV, you would have been seen as a magicianMar 27 21:43
cubezzzI'm sure there's a ton of stuff we don't understand stillMar 27 21:43
schestowitzSureMar 27 21:43
schestowitzBut there is stuff we can rule outMar 27 21:43
_goblinof course...and I think thats what makes the human condition unique...our desire to answer everything.Mar 27 21:43
schestowitzThe unobservable for startersMar 27 21:43
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cubezzzthat's interesting, except I find a lot of people don't try to answer everything :)Mar 27 21:44
schestowitzThe worst one can do is lean on random text written by primitive humans ages aogMar 27 21:44
cubezzzsome doMar 27 21:44
schestowitz_goblin: noMar 27 21:44
schestowitzIt's not the desireMar 27 21:44
schestowitzIt's our ability to communicateMar 27 21:44
schestowitzTHus to pass on knowledgeMar 27 21:45
_goblinschestowitz: really?  - so why then do people spend their lives trying to solve the mysteries?Mar 27 21:45
schestowitzOther animals can hardly do thatMar 27 21:45
cubezzzthe really big thing I think is writingMar 27 21:45
schestowitzWhales maybeMar 27 21:45
schestowitzThey have languagesMar 27 21:45
cubezzzand inter-generational learningMar 27 21:45
cubezzzprinting press and now internetMar 27 21:45
schestowitzPeople who are born today are not much smarter than ancient EgyptiansMar 27 21:46
schestowitzJust a tad tallerMar 27 21:46
_goblinIf you look at the pyramids I'd say they are not smarter at all.Mar 27 21:46
_goblinwho today would be able to build one?Mar 27 21:46
cubezzzwhen they're born yeah :)Mar 27 21:46
cubezzzlater on we get smarterMar 27 21:46
schestowitzOur species if 150,000 years oldMar 27 21:46
schestowitzAbout 150x40 generationsMar 27 21:46
schestowitzThat's nothingMar 27 21:47
*WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-awayMar 27 21:47
schestowitzJust a second of the day in evolutionary clockMar 27 21:47
_goblinbut then time is man made anyway....Mar 27 21:47
schestowitzNoMar 27 21:47
schestowitzBut time is relativeMar 27 21:47
cubezzzI could build a pyramid, but why would I? :)Mar 27 21:47
schestowitzIt can be absolute based on cyclesMar 27 21:48
cubezzznot really very productiveMar 27 21:48
_goblinour measurement of it is.Mar 27 21:48
schestowitzLike Earth going around the SunMar 27 21:48
schestowitzWe base time on planetary motion aloneMar 27 21:48
cubezzzStar Trek had stardates Mar 27 21:48
schestowitzcubezzz: you could, but it's a brute force thingMar 27 21:48
_goblincaptains log.Mar 27 21:48
cubezzznot really explained very well though :)Mar 27 21:48
schestowitzNothing magical about pyramid, except mass slaveryMar 27 21:48
_goblinschestowitz: I'd disagree....Mar 27 21:49
_goblinschestowitz: but I won't go there.Mar 27 21:49
schestowitzThe geometry is not amazingMar 27 21:49
cubezzzthe have one redeeming feature.... longevityMar 27 21:49
schestowitzI saw many documentaries about itMar 27 21:49
cubezzzyou make something that lasts thousands of years ftwMar 27 21:49
schestowitzIn Giza they were already smart enough to measure Earth's sizeMar 27 21:49
_goblinI'd ask you though.....we draw on nature for our inspiration for invention.....where did the pyramid inspiration come from?Mar 27 21:49
schestowitzAnd assume it was sphericalMar 27 21:49
schestowitzBefore knowledge got buriesMar 27 21:50
schestowitz*riedMar 27 21:50
cubezzzit's an oblate spheroid :)Mar 27 21:50
cubezzzsorry for the pendantry :)Mar 27 21:50
schestowitzGallileo didn't discover that the world was roundMar 27 21:50
schestowitzHe rediscovered itMar 27 21:50
_goblinand how did people light the lower basements of the pyramid when a torch wont burn?Mar 27 21:50
schestowitzSame with atomic theoryMar 27 21:50
schestowitzHuge gap created by religious dogmaMar 27 21:50
_goblinwhich could be based on real facts...Mar 27 21:51
schestowitz_goblin: many rumours around pyramidsMar 27 21:51
cubezzzok, is it time to talk about UFOs now? :)Mar 27 21:51
schestowitzA French reseacher recently dubunked someMar 27 21:51
schestowitzLike how they build itMar 27 21:51
_goblinno not UFO's or aliensMar 27 21:52
schestowitzcubezzz: yeah :-)Mar 27 21:52
schestowitzThat's the disinformationMar 27 21:52
schestowitzIt makes good filmsMar 27 21:52
cubezzzschestowitz, find the video on Phil SchneiderMar 27 21:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Out and about in the big blue room.Mar 27 21:52
_goblinbut I think man achieved an advanced technical position many thousands of years ago, then for one reason of another ended up reverting back and starting again.Mar 27 21:52
cubezzzit's really strange stuffMar 27 21:52
MinceR223947 < _goblin> and how did people light the lower basements of the pyramid when a torch wont burn?Mar 27 21:52
schestowitzMy uncle had me hooked on a new show: http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.phpMar 27 21:52
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Skeptoid Episode Guide .::. Size~: 91.5 KBMar 27 21:53
_goblinBagdad battery.Mar 27 21:53
MinceRthey could have made them when the upper levels weren't built yetMar 27 21:53
cubezzzI'm sure we lost a lot of old techMar 27 21:53
cubezzzwe are even losing newish techMar 27 21:53
MinceRor they could have used mirrorsMar 27 21:53
_goblinit explains the drawings on the walls.Mar 27 21:53
cubezzzwe are losing non x86 cpusMar 27 21:53
_goblinand could even explain the ark.Mar 27 21:53
schestowitzArk??????//Mar 27 21:53
cubezzzhell, some folks don't even know non-windows systemsMar 27 21:53
cubezzzpeople are really mostly followersMar 27 21:54
cubezzznot knowledge gathersMar 27 21:54
_goblinwell if we put Aliens and God aside for a minute, would it be too hard to believe that the Ark was actually a Nuclear Fisson reactor abandoned from a time when mankind was technically advanced?Mar 27 21:54
cubezzzgatherersMar 27 21:54
cubezzz_goblin, where are you getting that idea from?Mar 27 21:55
_goblinits a compiled theory from many sources.....Mar 27 21:55
_goblinits no more or less believable than thinking the Ark contained commandments from God.Mar 27 21:55
_goblinand it still leaves scope for believers in God too.Mar 27 21:55
cubezzzThat's one I never heard beforeMar 27 21:55
cubezzzif we had old tech then lost it, how good was the tech?Mar 27 21:56
cubezzzbetter or worse than now?Mar 27 21:56
_goblinYou look at the possibilty of Mars having an atmosphere at one time and its not too far fetched to think that maybe mankind burnt its bridges on Mars, came to earth and had to start again.Mar 27 21:57
cubezzzare you suggesting we had better tech in the past than we do now?Mar 27 21:57
cubezzzhmmmMar 27 21:57
cubezzzso yeah you are :)Mar 27 21:57
_goblinif I was to make a bet, I would say about 50 years of what we have today.Mar 27 21:57
cubezzzthat implies we had interplanetary travel in the pastMar 27 21:58
schestowitz_goblin: we would have found evidence by nowMar 27 21:58
schestowitzLike symmric structuresMar 27 21:58
schestowitzI'm open to ideas, but want evidenceMar 27 21:58
schestowitzAlso, old civilisations before 'flood' lack evidenceMar 27 21:58
cubezzzschestowitz, if it was millions of years ago we wouldn't have any evidence Mar 27 21:58
schestowitzWe wouldMar 27 21:59
cubezzzour CDR's probably won't last 100 yearsMar 27 21:59
_goblinschestowitz: would we?  Imagine a great ark carrying todays society to mars and dumping them off......we would have to start again from scratch.....lack of rule, lack of authority....it would take a few thousand years for humans to sort themselves out.Mar 27 21:59
schestowitzLook at Earth's patternsMar 27 21:59
schestowitzLook at cities we find undergroundMar 27 21:59
schestowitzThey are not that oldMar 27 21:59
schestowitzMaybe 10k years oldMar 27 21:59
schestowitz_goblin: show me evidenceMar 27 21:59
schestowitzWe could also have been carried by a giant spaghetti monsterMar 27 22:00
_goblinand if you want "proof" of sorts look no further than drawings on the pyramids which have many striking similarities to space suits, ships and basic flight.Mar 27 22:00
_goblinor the MyansMar 27 22:00
schestowitzBut I haven't found something to prove it yetMar 27 22:00
cubezzzWe Get Signal! Main screen turn on!Mar 27 22:00
cubezzzStar Trek of the past ....Mar 27 22:00
*schestowitz is now known as tMar 27 22:00
cubezzzthere... explainedMar 27 22:00
_goblinnot quite star trek.Mar 27 22:00
t_goblin: those drawings are cr*pMar 27 22:00
tThey don't even resemble realityMar 27 22:01
*t is now known as Guest38532Mar 27 22:01
_goblinwell i don't know about anyone else, but you've convinced me.Mar 27 22:01
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schestowitzNow we have better tools for better drawings.Mar 27 22:01
_goblinright.....so we pass them off as crap?Mar 27 22:01
cubezzzmaybe a visitMar 27 22:02
_goblinthe bagdad battery proves that we have it wrong in relation to humans advancement.Mar 27 22:02
cubezzzI'm open to that much :)Mar 27 22:02
schestowitz_goblin: yes, biasedMar 27 22:02
schestowitzSame withn printMar 27 22:02
cubezzzI'm sure there's life out there more advanced than usMar 27 22:02
schestowitzChina has print before GutenbergMar 27 22:02
_goblinso if a few thousand years ago people were making batteries, what else did they know of?Mar 27 22:02
schestowitzBut the world was not as connectedMar 27 22:02
cubezzz_goblin, when did cilvilization fall?Mar 27 22:03
schestowitzNot the same type of print, but still.... also in pottery Asia was a headMar 27 22:03
schestowitz*aheadMar 27 22:03
_goblincubezzz: Many thousands of years ago I'd suggest....maybe the Myans were the first settlers?Mar 27 22:03
_goblinmaybe, it was decided to start again?Mar 27 22:03
schestowitzNoMar 27 22:04
schestowitzMyans were lateMar 27 22:04
cubezzzyeahMar 27 22:04
schestowitzWe have fossils of early humansMar 27 22:04
schestowitzWell before the myansMar 27 22:04
schestowitzAnd we have DNAMar 27 22:04
schestowitzWhich we didn't have some decades agoMar 27 22:04
_goblinschestowitz: The Myans are mentioned at the begining of Battlestar Galactica so they must be the first.Mar 27 22:04
schestowitzSo we can scientifically show the genetic relationshipMar 27 22:04
schestowitzA lot of people refer to science and "theories" as known 150 years agoMar 27 22:04
cubezzzdon't forget the triobites :)Mar 27 22:05
cubezzzgood fossil record thereMar 27 22:05
schestowitzThe funniest thing is peopke tying Darwin to physics and origin of the universeMar 27 22:05
_goblinschestowitz: but the "blueprint" of life might be generic for many planets and it could have been that elsewhere merely evolved first.Mar 27 22:05
schestowitzWhen all he did was explain the diversity of speciesMar 27 22:05
cubezzzer, trilobitesMar 27 22:05
_goblinwasnt that hellraiser?Mar 27 22:05
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrilobitesMar 27 22:05
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Trilobite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 227.18 KBMar 27 22:05
_goblinThere are some who believe that life here , began out there.....Mar 27 22:06
_goblincant remember the restMar 27 22:06
cubezzzTrilobites are coolMar 27 22:06
_goblinThere are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. That they may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens... (the theatrical vMar 27 22:07
_goblinersion of the pilot ends with this phrase: "...far far away amongst the stars...")Mar 27 22:07
_goblingot it....Mar 27 22:07
_goblinthe original was far better than the remake.Mar 27 22:07
_goblinA bit off topicish...but this always makes me laugh:Mar 27 22:08
_goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2RqlAWzfkMar 27 22:09
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_goblin(The second part of the vid is the best)Mar 27 22:09
_goblinand here is the original of BSG!...great stuff...Mar 27 22:11
_goblinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHD1uPVkyk0Mar 27 22:11
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- Battlestar Galactica Opening Theme from 1978 .::. Size~: 72.86 KBMar 27 22:11
_goblinFunnily enough my first PC (an Amstrad) was shaped like the Battlestar GalacticaMar 27 22:11
_goblinhttp://museo8bits.com/wiki/images/5/52/Amstrad_PC2286_01.jpgMar 27 22:13
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_goblinRight.....Mar 27 22:16
_goblinAll this talk about tech and I forgot.....its WM weekend.......(who wants to ask what WM is?)Mar 27 22:17
_goblinmaybe nobody....Mar 27 22:17
_goblinI know people are reading this, you're just too proud to ask.......Mar 27 22:18
_goblinOmar would know....Mar 27 22:18
_goblinThe tumbleweed bounces past Goblin as people pretend not to be reading this......Mar 27 22:19
_goblinWrestlemania!Mar 27 22:19
_goblinIts going to be great.Mar 27 22:19
_goblinstuff you all then....I'll join Lins&& and talk Windows...... ;)Mar 27 22:20
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sebsebsebHiMar 27 22:22
_goblinhi mate.Mar 27 22:23
_goblinI started mentioning wrestling and everyone here seems to have disapeared!Mar 27 22:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Really enjoying catching up with The Bubble with @RealDMItchell laughing out loud more than I usually do at comedy panel stuff. Good stuff.Mar 27 22:26
sebsebseb_goblin: ohMar 27 22:26
sebsebseb_goblin: we lose an hour tonightMar 27 22:40
sebsebseb_goblin: and it doesn't feel like Spring to meMar 27 22:40
sebsebsebI am coldMar 27 22:40
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_goblinsebsebseb: you've just got me out of trouble......Mar 27 22:44
_goblinsebsebseb: reminding me about the clocks.Mar 27 22:45
_goblinotherwise I would have slept in.....Mar 27 22:45
sebsebseb_goblin: oh?Mar 27 22:47
schestowitz[22:07] <_goblin> There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. That they may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens... (the Mar 27 22:47
schestowitztheatrical vMar 27 22:47
schestowitzWhy not becterium?Mar 27 22:47
schestowitzWhy not bacterium?Mar 27 22:47
schestowitzSingle-cell organismsMar 27 22:47
_goblinYou do know that was a quote from Battlestar Galactica?  I don't really believe that.Mar 27 22:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Enjoying @bbcgoodnews and thinking if the #bbc get their way I wont be able to record this any more using mythtv due to their DRM :(Mar 27 22:48
MinceRgnMar 27 23:02
schestowitzSO early??Mar 27 23:29
schestowitzYou're no fun !!!Mar 27 23:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Playing Lightforce and Zynaps in a Spectrum emulator on my DS is a good night in for me.Still great games 20 years on.Kids these days etc.Mar 27 23:44

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