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| schestowitz | The COLA trolls were more disruptive last year. Their attacks are waning. | Jan 01 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | Was on phone for 4 hours... phew.... | Jan 01 19:45 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Jan 02 01:38 | |
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| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/akpgh/why_git_is_so_fast_or_why_its_implementation_in/ | Jan 02 22:16 |
| trmanco | see the first comment | Jan 02 22:16 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/akpgh/why_git_is_so_fast_or_why_its_implementation_in/c0i3a1v | Jan 02 22:17 |
| trmanco | and then it's user's upvotes -> http://www.reddit.com/user/toswww | Jan 02 22:17 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent, thanks! | Jan 03 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | Cousin: | Jan 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > The financial markets are unpredictable and they always seem to move in a | Jan 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > direction that is contrary to logic. Stocks very often defy reason, almost | Jan 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > as if they have a mind of their own. | Jan 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > Last year, your assessment of the market was very negative but the year-end | Jan 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | > results were fabulous. If experts call a downturn or an upturn, sooner or | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > later they will be right. Like a stopped watch...it has the right time twice | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > a day. | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^TA100&d=c | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | The economy is in the toilet. | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16749 | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | High street is not the "world". | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > Anita's deceased sister Loretta's grandson was accepted to Johns Hopkins on | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | > a scholarship. Guess what? He wants to be a biomedical engineer. | Jan 04 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Great stuff! A friend's fiance's brother does the same thing :-) | Jan 04 18:33 |
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| fewa | I retract saying that you should cover that article on the culture divide in farming | Jan 06 07:05 |
| fewa | these sorts of issues are important | Jan 06 07:05 |
| fewa | just like how techdirt covers speed lights | Jan 06 07:05 |
| fewa | (although they are quite lost with their funding mechnisms | Jan 06 07:06 |
| fewa | makes a site poorer | Jan 06 07:06 |
| fewa | cheapening | Jan 06 07:06 |
| fewa | i dont read it anymore | Jan 06 07:07 |
| fewa | ...i need to stay on here to have discussions when your on | Jan 06 07:43 |
| fewa | as I trying to practice my physical labor | Jan 06 07:43 |
| schestowitz | ok, thanks | Jan 06 08:53 |
| fewa | Peak oil is coming | Jan 06 09:18 |
| fewa | the fall of America might lower the price for a while, but it will continue to go up, and up | Jan 06 09:18 |
| fewa | and I need to work on my post-collapse skills | Jan 06 09:18 |
| fewa | wondering if I should flee the country | Jan 06 09:18 |
| fewa | there are some seriously problems afloat | Jan 06 09:19 |
| fewa | *serious | Jan 06 09:19 |
| fewa | you should distance yourself from the UK middle and upper class | Jan 06 09:19 |
| fewa | that will experience fallout after the US collapse | Jan 06 09:19 |
| fewa | especially in the UK which is so linked to the US | Jan 06 09:19 |
| fewa | ...you are already doing so with your public service to free software | Jan 06 09:20 |
| fewa | thankfully i live in a somewhat rural area | Jan 06 09:21 |
| fewa | It is only a matter of time | Jan 06 09:21 |
| fewa | The industrial food system is heavily dependant of fossil fuel inputs | Jan 06 09:21 |
| fewa | natural gas for fertilizer | Jan 06 09:21 |
| fewa | and oil for pesticides | Jan 06 09:21 |
| fewa | I just read that for every calorie of US wheat there are inputted 17 calories of fossil fuels | Jan 06 09:22 |
| fewa | it destroys the sil | Jan 06 09:22 |
| fewa | *soil | Jan 06 09:22 |
| fewa | it has temporarily created a 250% boost in grain, other production | Jan 06 09:23 |
| fewa | but is ruining the soil | Jan 06 09:23 |
| fewa | "green revolution" | Jan 06 09:23 |
| fewa | Daemon is a great example of the collapse | Jan 06 09:24 |
| fewa | someone with no idea what to do | Jan 06 09:24 |
| fewa | only 1/2 of 1% of people in this country are farmers | Jan 06 09:24 |
| fewa | when it was founded the majority worked on farms | Jan 06 09:24 |
| fewa | ...really angry | Jan 06 09:25 |
| fewa | as in that video you showed me of tacit rebellion againt the police state: the hippies were right | Jan 06 09:26 |
| fewa | *peak oil has occurred | Jan 06 09:29 |
| fewa | are you familier schestowitz ? | Jan 06 09:29 |
| fewa | it will become 5 or 6 differn't nations | Jan 06 09:32 |
| fewa | LA will be a bloody mess | Jan 06 09:33 |
| fewa | there is only a 4 day supply of food in the LA basin | Jan 06 09:33 |
| fewa | UK electricity seems similar to aggregate US, with exception of hydro which it lacks: | Jan 06 09:37 |
| fewa | nuclear is what kept the lights on in Russia during the collapse | Jan 06 09:49 |
| schestowitz | [09:18] <fewa> wondering if I should flee the country | Jan 06 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Some already have | Jan 06 09:51 |
| schestowitz | Do you know Chalmers? | Jan 06 09:51 |
| fewa | no | Jan 06 09:52 |
| schestowitz | He advises people to buy a condo elsewhere | Jan 06 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Hold on... | Jan 06 09:52 |
| fewa | condo? | Jan 06 09:52 |
| fewa | you mean in a city? | Jan 06 09:52 |
| fewa | UK is going to get hit too | Jan 06 09:52 |
| schestowitz | http://thetyee.ca/Views/2004/05/10/A_Condo_in_Vancouver_Escape_from_Empire/ | Jan 06 09:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm ready for the UK crisis too | Jan 06 09:52 |
| fewa | revolution possible | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Interesting that you mention it | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | I woke up 1 hour ago | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | I had a strange dream | Jan 06 09:53 |
| fewa | becuase UK elites linked highly to US elites | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | About thugs in very corner | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | *every | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Quite scary | Jan 06 09:53 |
| fewa | and they will go down in unison | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | And to an extent true | Jan 06 09:53 |
| fewa | UK has better politics however | Jan 06 09:53 |
| fewa | what portion of UK farms? | Jan 06 09:53 |
| fewa | how much has monsanto taken over? | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | There were thousands rioting after the Man Utd game on Saturday... like animals looking for a fight and attacking other people | Jan 06 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Skinheads/hooligans | Jan 06 09:54 |
| fewa | isn't scotland and northern ireland not bad | Jan 06 09:54 |
| fewa | (although northern ireland could switch sides, dont know much about) | Jan 06 09:54 |
| fewa | and whales | Jan 06 09:54 |
| fewa | england is in bad condition | Jan 06 09:54 |
| schestowitz | [09:23] <fewa> "green revolution" | Jan 06 09:54 |
| fewa | although thats where most homeless go.... | Jan 06 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Turns out to be an old banner | Jan 06 09:54 |
| schestowitz | Now used to burn up what's left and make money | Jan 06 09:54 |
| schestowitz | [09:33] <fewa> LA will be a bloody mess | Jan 06 09:55 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> I'm ready for the UK crisis too | Jan 06 09:55 |
| fewa | How? | Jan 06 09:55 |
| schestowitz | I hear from CA that it's a mess.., from people who live there | Jan 06 09:55 |
| fewa | not enought water | Jan 06 09:55 |
| schestowitz | [09:53] <fewa> what portion of UK farms? | Jan 06 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Spain imports | Jan 06 09:55 |
| fewa | it will revert back to pre-united states population levels | Jan 06 09:55 |
| fewa | schestowitz, US exports lots of grain | Jan 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | [09:54] <fewa> isn't scotland and northern ireland not bad | Jan 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Less densely populated | Jan 06 09:56 |
| fewa | doesn't mean it cant have a USSR like reversal when the oil and fertilizer stops | Jan 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | They'll just invade another country | Jan 06 09:56 |
| fewa | and there is no oil to power tractors | Jan 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | [09:55] <fewa> <schestowitz> I'm ready for the UK crisis too | Jan 06 09:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm a German national... they don't do as bad | Jan 06 09:56 |
| fewa | also exports highly-subsidized rice and corn(corn most idiotic crop) | Jan 06 09:57 |
| fewa | 67% of N.A. diet is corn/maize based | Jan 06 09:57 |
| fewa | there was a study of hair foliciles | Jan 06 09:57 |
| fewa | carbon-wise its 67% | Jan 06 09:57 |
| fewa | corn is a massive consumer of nitrogen | Jan 06 09:57 |
| schestowitz | As my mate said 3 days ago, "if one or two power plants go out here, we're messed up" | Jan 06 09:57 |
| fewa | almost impossible to grow without fertilizer | Jan 06 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Thus more sensitive to change and reliant on industry | Jan 06 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Not so with China | Jan 06 09:58 |
| fewa | must be rotated with a legume | Jan 06 09:58 |
| schestowitz | They are more self-sustaining, he argues | Jan 06 09:58 |
| fewa | LOLOL | Jan 06 09:58 |
| fewa | china is screwed | Jan 06 09:58 |
| fewa | the only thing they have is reasonable limits on growth | Jan 06 09:58 |
| fewa | so they might be able to etch it out with the 1-child policy | Jan 06 09:59 |
| fewa | but the central government keeps ordering ecological destruction the localities dont want | Jan 06 09:59 |
| fewa | like cotton farming | Jan 06 09:59 |
| fewa | it needs to all switch to flax and hemp | Jan 06 09:59 |
| fewa | cotton already destroyed the aral sea in USSR | Jan 06 09:59 |
| fewa | and ravages deep south soil, and now western china | Jan 06 10:00 |
| fewa | also oil-based clothes is great | Jan 06 10:00 |
| fewa | a good use of the oil | Jan 06 10:00 |
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| fewa | like fleece | Jan 06 10:01 |
| schestowitz | UK has rural areas with farms | Jan 06 10:01 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure they'll figure something else around Peak Oil | Jan 06 10:01 |
| fewa | yeah | Jan 06 10:01 |
| schestowitz | The place is covered with snow now... people can't get to work | Jan 06 10:01 |
| fewa | hmm, here it is uhh, 5 | Jan 06 10:03 |
| fewa | from the only place on earth not using the centegrade scale.... | Jan 06 10:03 |
| fewa | and im about at the same latitude | Jan 06 10:06 |
| fewa | the concrete factory in my city was sent to china about 5 years ago | Jan 06 10:09 |
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| fewa | America is falling apart | Jan 06 10:22 |
| cubezzz | hello secret society :) | Jan 06 10:22 |
| fewa | Canada is so incredibly linked (and with Harper politically too) | Jan 06 10:23 |
| fewa | that it will likely fall soon after | Jan 06 10:23 |
| fewa | but be a little better off | Jan 06 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Where you you go? Bolivia? :-) | Jan 06 10:23 |
| fewa | schestowitz, why do you toss out Bolivia? | Jan 06 10:23 |
| cubezzz | well the future is a bit scary | Jan 06 10:24 |
| fewa | I dont know the relative ratio of suberbia | Jan 06 10:24 |
| fewa | US vs Canada | Jan 06 10:24 |
| cubezzz | well we should be in good shape | Jan 06 10:25 |
| fewa | but suburbia is doomed, and physiological attachment to it is destructive | Jan 06 10:25 |
| cubezzz | things are definitely in flux now | Jan 06 10:26 |
| fewa | yeah | Jan 06 10:26 |
| fewa | oil is at the root of it | Jan 06 10:26 |
| fewa | or at least very important | Jan 06 10:26 |
| cubezzz | energy generation of any type really | Jan 06 10:27 |
| fewa | natural gas too | Jan 06 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Methane | Jan 06 10:28 |
| fewa | canada will stop exporting CH4 to the united states | Jan 06 10:28 |
| cubezzz | Canada should be in good shape as we have relatively low population density, lots of fresh water, lots of resources | Jan 06 10:28 |
| fewa | or the political lines will change | Jan 06 10:28 |
| fewa | yeah i live in pacific northwest | Jan 06 10:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: sounds like good place for the neighbours down south to invade /sarcasm | Jan 06 10:29 |
| cubezzz | ok, RCA bit the big one in 1986 | Jan 06 10:29 |
| fewa | nearby population centers: seattle and vancouver | Jan 06 10:29 |
| fewa | the influx from LA will be big | Jan 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll just bribe your PM for annexing CA and US | Jan 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | At least trade-wise and currency-wise | Jan 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | The Asian countries may want that too | Jan 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Arab countries work towards Euro-like single currency | Jan 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | BIG BIG risk to trade in USD | Jan 06 10:30 |
| fewa | Yeah i read "the long emergency" by Knutsleur | Jan 06 10:30 |
| cubezzz | time to colonize Mars or something :) | Jan 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | But it hasn't tanked yet | Jan 06 10:30 |
| fewa | and it had this idea that there would be chinese piracy | Jan 06 10:30 |
| cubezzz | the money flow seems all messed up now | Jan 06 10:30 |
| fewa | money is going to become worthless | Jan 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: but Mars has no oil :-) | Jan 06 10:30 |
| fewa | just matters how long | Jan 06 10:31 |
| cubezzz | we start a rumour that Mars has lots of oil :) | Jan 06 10:31 |
| fewa | money is the based on work | Jan 06 10:31 |
| cubezzz | do we really know what Mars has? | Jan 06 10:31 |
| fewa | fractical reserve banking, ie infinit money only works with infinite growth in energy | Jan 06 10:31 |
| cubezzz | for as long as I can remember the Moon was a dead waterless hulk | Jan 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can set up a massive oil pipe/space elevator to pump gas to Mars :-) Just make sure it's long enough and gets around the Sun somehow :-) | Jan 06 10:31 |
| cubezzz | now they say it has water | Jan 06 10:31 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I was joking | Jan 06 10:32 |
| fewa | lol | Jan 06 10:32 |
| fewa | yes, space is no escape | Jan 06 10:32 |
| cubezzz | even if there was tons of oil and gold and whatever, how would you even get it? | Jan 06 10:32 |
| cubezzz | robots maybe | Jan 06 10:33 |
| fewa | Malthusian is going to finially get heard | Jan 06 10:33 |
| fewa | gold.... | Jan 06 10:33 |
| fewa | gold is _only_ valuable because of its rarity | Jan 06 10:33 |
| fewa | and because of history | Jan 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | That would just devalue gold | Jan 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | The gold industry would rather eliminate it somehow | Jan 06 10:33 |
| schestowitz | fewa beat me to it | Jan 06 10:33 |
| fewa | gold has no practical value | Jan 06 10:33 |
| fewa | oil has tons | Jan 06 10:34 |
| schestowitz | It's a crap metal | Jan 06 10:34 |
| fewa | oil is a miricle substance | Jan 06 10:34 |
| fewa | schestowitz, well actually its a pretty good metal | Jan 06 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Not shiny, not hard, just heavy | Jan 06 10:34 |
| fewa | doesn't corrode, is very shiny, high electrical conductivity, high head capacity/conductivity | Jan 06 10:34 |
| schestowitz | People work senselessly to put some of these atoms on their finger | Jan 06 10:35 |
| fewa | but not nearly as powerful or important as oil | Jan 06 10:35 |
| fewa | gasoline has 32.0 MJ/L | Jan 06 10:36 |
| fewa | aka 8.89 kWh/L | Jan 06 10:36 |
| fewa | its amazing | Jan 06 10:36 |
| cubezzz | there's vegetable oil, synthetic oil... | Jan 06 10:37 |
| fewa | but that is turning food into oil | Jan 06 10:37 |
| fewa | its radically differn't than extracting tons, and tons, and tons of the stuff from the earth, for basically free | Jan 06 10:37 |
| fewa | ...while destroying the planet with climate change | Jan 06 10:37 |
| fewa | eons of solar energy trapped under the earth | Jan 06 10:38 |
| cubezzz | "Before gasoline was used as fuel for engines, it was sold in small bottles as a treatment against lice and their eggs." | Jan 06 10:38 |
| fewa | cubezzz, the messopotamians use to shoot in in catat each other | Jan 06 10:38 |
| fewa | *catapults | Jan 06 10:38 |
| fewa | on fire | Jan 06 10:38 |
| cubezzz | people will just have to work harder, and get less, and try to be more efficient in all ways | Jan 06 10:39 |
| fewa | it could cause a return of the feudal system | Jan 06 10:39 |
| fewa | and more widespread slavery | Jan 06 10:39 |
| fewa | <cubezzz> people will just have to work harder, and get less, and try to be more efficient in all ways | Jan 06 10:39 |
| cubezzz | and more birth control | Jan 06 10:40 |
| fewa | also, no amount of "efficiency" will allow 300 million americans to own private automobiles | Jan 06 10:40 |
| fewa | yes | Jan 06 10:40 |
| cubezzz | fewa, then they should use public transportation and save their $$$ | Jan 06 10:40 |
| fewa | not just money, but valuable energy | Jan 06 10:41 |
| fewa | the other people talking about peak oil and climate change are not saying this | Jan 06 10:41 |
| cubezzz | I think the current system is kind of crap anyway | Jan 06 10:41 |
| fewa | but to me it is obvious: | Jan 06 10:41 |
| cubezzz | totally insustainable | Jan 06 10:41 |
| fewa | as long as the US is driving away the remaining oil, people should be hoarding stuff of actually value made from it | Jan 06 10:41 |
| fewa | and building wind farms, etc | Jan 06 10:41 |
| fewa | anything of value that requires a functioning oil economy to be produced | Jan 06 10:42 |
| cubezzz | yes, they are starting to do that | Jan 06 10:42 |
| fewa | needs to be done massively | Jan 06 10:42 |
| cubezzz | That's why I mentioned the Amish to schestowitz :) | Jan 06 10:42 |
| fewa | because there isn't much time left | Jan 06 10:42 |
| fewa | they are pretty well prepared | Jan 06 10:42 |
| fewa | the amish that is | Jan 06 10:43 |
| cubezzz | yes I admire them | Jan 06 10:43 |
| cubezzz | they are self-sufficient in many ways | Jan 06 10:44 |
| fewa | wonder if there is any way to prevent the US coal from being burned | Jan 06 10:45 |
| fewa | at least before there is a reasonable engineering look at what it might be neccicary for to accomplish things | Jan 06 10:45 |
| fewa | I've seen it in wyoming | Jan 06 10:46 |
| cubezzz | well the Amish use wood a lot :) | Jan 06 10:46 |
| fewa | there really is alot of it | Jan 06 10:46 |
| cubezzz | it's renewable | Jan 06 10:46 |
| fewa | you could see the pits form the freeway | Jan 06 10:46 |
| fewa | cubezzz, western europe was deforrested | Jan 06 10:46 |
| fewa | in the 17th century | Jan 06 10:46 |
| fewa | that could easily happen to lots of US and canada | Jan 06 10:47 |
| fewa | Japan was able to organize politically in the 15th and do quality forrestry | Jan 06 10:47 |
| cubezzz | according to satellite photos we have very little deforrestation | Jan 06 10:47 |
| fewa | Canada has slightly better political control | Jan 06 10:47 |
| fewa | ...but if the state disappears, who knows | Jan 06 10:47 |
| cubezzz | but how many trees would you need per person for heat per year? | Jan 06 10:47 |
| cubezzz | they do take a while to grow too | Jan 06 10:48 |
| fewa | well, the suburban houses which were built with no thinking of the north-south-east-west | Jan 06 10:48 |
| fewa | they should just be torn down | Jan 06 10:48 |
| fewa | difficult to heat | Jan 06 10:48 |
| cubezzz | how about building everything underground? | Jan 06 10:48 |
| fewa | the housing situation in US and Canada is heavily based on cheat heating sources | Jan 06 10:49 |
| cubezzz | at least the houses? | Jan 06 10:49 |
| fewa | no touching walls, not designed for solar gain | Jan 06 10:49 |
| fewa | Russia was radically differn't | Jan 06 10:49 |
| fewa | large apartments, easy to heat | Jan 06 10:49 |
| cubezzz | fewa, there is actually, semi-detached homes | Jan 06 10:49 |
| fewa | "Collapse reinvented -- Dmitry Orlov" | Jan 06 10:49 |
| cubezzz | my family's first house was semi-detached | Jan 06 10:50 |
| fewa | cubezzz, but those are considered "low class" | Jan 06 10:50 |
| fewa | at least in US suburbia | Jan 06 10:50 |
| fewa | I live in a well-designed solar house | Jan 06 10:50 |
| cubezzz | excellent | Jan 06 10:50 |
| fewa | but then the neighbor did an expansion on the north side and destroyed the solar gain | Jan 06 10:50 |
| fewa | it was built do to great action by Jimmy Carter, the last good president | Jan 06 10:50 |
| fewa | and one that understood the energy prediciment | Jan 06 10:51 |
| fewa | government loan during the massive inflation of the 70s oil crisis | Jan 06 10:51 |
| cubezzz | it's interesting about Carter, some people think he's great, other people think he was the worst | Jan 06 10:51 |
| fewa | where relative energy efficiency (19R,-- 40R is now standard) was mandatory | Jan 06 10:52 |
| fewa | well, I wasn't alive then | Jan 06 10:52 |
| cubezzz | he did seem to be more moral than most presidents | Jan 06 10:52 |
| fewa | so i really have no idea | Jan 06 10:52 |
| fewa | but he did understand energy and said it to the people | Jan 06 10:52 |
| fewa | was a nuclear engineer | Jan 06 10:52 |
| fewa | and he was one of the few that said reality about Israel/Palistein | Jan 06 10:53 |
| cubezzz | yes I think so too | Jan 06 10:53 |
| cubezzz | didn't know he was a nuclear engineer though | Jan 06 10:53 |
| fewa | that it is an Apartheid | Jan 06 10:53 |
| fewa | "atoms for peace" was common in the 50s | Jan 06 10:53 |
| fewa | for those that understood the oil basis of much of WW2 | Jan 06 10:54 |
| cubezzz | "Upon the death of his father, James Earl Carter, Sr., in July 1953, Lieutenant Carter immediately resigned his commission, and he was discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953.[14][15] This cut short his nuclear powerplant operator training, and he was never able to serve on a nuclear submarine" | Jan 06 10:55 |
| fewa | switched later with Nader, who didn't like that Nuclear plants were private corporations, but shielded with public taking responsibility | Jan 06 10:55 |
| fewa | created Dept of Energy | Jan 06 10:56 |
| fewa | also Panama Canal | Jan 06 10:56 |
| fewa | that pissed of the the McCain type of camp | Jan 06 10:56 |
| fewa | McCain was actually born in Panama | Jan 06 10:57 |
| fewa | and is not a natural born citizen | Jan 06 10:57 |
| fewa | the imperial Reaganites | Jan 06 10:57 |
| fewa | While he was in high school he was in the Future Farmers of America | Jan 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | http://theburningplatform.com/economy/road-to-perdition | Jan 06 10:58 |
| fewa | "While he was in high school he was in the Future Farmers of America * | Jan 06 10:58 |
| schestowitz | "In the early 1980’s, before the three decade long debt induced frat party, the National Debt was between $900 billion and $1.6 trillion. Today, the National Debt is $12.3 trillion, up 1,250% in three decades. The US dollar was phenomenally strong in the early 1980’s versus a trade weighted basket of foreign currencies, reaching 145 in 1985. Today it has sunk to 77, a 50% decrease in 24 years." | Jan 06 10:59 |
| schestowitz | "Enormous deficits and a plunging currency are a precursor of the unavoidable breakdown of a onetime economic powerhouse. A courageous act by our leaders would be to dramatically decrease government spending and increase interest rates to encourage savings, which would result in a strong dollar. The short term pain would be intense, but it would put our country back on a sound fiscal path." | Jan 06 10:59 |
| fewa | schestowitz, its all oil | Jan 06 10:59 |
| schestowitz | "Instead, we will throw our children and grandchildren under the bus with continued financial malfeasance. More spending, more debt, and a cheaper dollar are the drugs of choice." | Jan 06 10:59 |
| fewa | US oil production peaked in 1970 | Jan 06 10:59 |
| fewa | and since then only imperialism has held anything up | Jan 06 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Many bases in other countries | Jan 06 11:00 |
| fewa | the Saudis realized this and decided to set the price for oil | Jan 06 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Humanity will be fine, but rescaled | Jan 06 11:00 |
| fewa | but then the US military swept into Iraq | Jan 06 11:00 |
| fewa | and they decided they better not mess with the US planners | Jan 06 11:00 |
| fewa | (these are a small group of very, very rich elites) | Jan 06 11:00 |
| fewa | completely unearned | Jan 06 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Enjoy the time you have left as Westerner | Jan 06 11:01 |
| fewa | US has spent alot making sure they do not get overtured | Jan 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | In the future, maybe Easterner would be the ruler | Jan 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | The "masters in the East" | Jan 06 11:01 |
| fewa | well the electric energy situation seems similar to other western countries | Jan 06 11:01 |
| fewa | except France, which is the best situation | Jan 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is an attempt (part of the attempt) to delay the inevitable | Jan 06 11:01 |
| schestowitz | To say the East owes the West | Jan 06 11:01 |
| fewa | meh | Jan 06 11:02 |
| fewa | not really | Jan 06 11:02 |
| fewa | its a way of exerting control without oil | Jan 06 11:02 |
| fewa | (as a pessimist) | Jan 06 11:02 |
| fewa | and just a general corruption measure | Jan 06 11:02 |
| fewa | (as an optimist) | Jan 06 11:02 |
| fewa | hopefully trust in "conventional" medicine will fall through the roof sufficiently before it matters | Jan 06 11:03 |
| fewa | but it should would be nasty to see the Sell drugs, criminilize drugs, still the drug pots, wars | Jan 06 11:04 |
| fewa | quite prevelent in the US | Jan 06 11:04 |
| fewa | escalate into similar wars over HIV, TB, and Polio drugs | Jan 06 11:05 |
| fewa | *stir the drug wars, as the police do | Jan 06 11:05 |
| fewa | I wish freenode has ssl connectivity available | Jan 06 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Jan 06 11:09 |
| schestowitz | You think your ISP snoops? | Jan 06 11:10 |
| fewa | well the NY times reported that qst doesn't hook into the NSA DB | Jan 06 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Encryption may only make watchers more suspicious | Jan 06 11:10 |
| fewa | meh | Jan 06 11:10 |
| schestowitz | That's why PJ refused to encrypt mail with me | Jan 06 11:10 |
| fewa | no, universal encryption is great | Jan 06 11:10 |
| fewa | all text communication should be encrypted | Jan 06 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Should. | Jan 06 11:11 |
| schestowitz | But we have always been in war with Eurasia, so we need watchers | Jan 06 11:11 |
| fewa | I was reading on a GNU site that the playing of calls between Chavez and a Cuban leader stopped being played on US radio after they started using end-to-end VoIP encryption | Jan 06 11:11 |
| fewa | the telephony project | Jan 06 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Heh. That one. | Jan 06 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Castro said, "don't do what I do" | Jan 06 11:12 |
| schestowitz | Castro said, "don't do what I did" | Jan 06 11:12 |
| schestowitz | He said revolution should come from ballot boxes, not armed struggle | Jan 06 11:13 |
| fewa | Cuba survived peak oil | Jan 06 11:13 |
| schestowitz | The US will just daemonise him, lumping him together w/ "axis of evil" | Jan 06 11:13 |
| fewa | the average cuban lost 20 lbs | Jan 06 11:13 |
| schestowitz | SOme of them have diplomatic relationships with Iran | Jan 06 11:13 |
| fewa | but they didn't starve like in North Korea | Jan 06 11:13 |
| schestowitz | As US will find, when you annoy many countries, you bring them closers | Jan 06 11:13 |
| schestowitz | *closer | Jan 06 11:13 |
| schestowitz | As in, "enemy of my enemy if my friend" | Jan 06 11:14 |
| fewa | meh | Jan 06 11:14 |
| fewa | the US will cease to exist | Jan 06 11:14 |
| fewa | so it wont | Jan 06 11:14 |
| fewa | matter | Jan 06 11:14 |
| schestowitz | The US should embrace countries like CUba rather than drive them away to the SOviets and apocalyptic nutters | Jan 06 11:14 |
| fewa | the Former United States of America | Jan 06 11:14 |
| schestowitz | /is/is/ | Jan 06 11:14 |
| schestowitz | /if/is/ | Jan 06 11:14 |
| schestowitz | NeyWorkShenya | Jan 06 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Jerseystan | Jan 06 11:15 |
| fewa | and most US people want relations with Cuba | Jan 06 11:15 |
| fewa | its the old cronies that dont | Jan 06 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Floridgrad.... | Jan 06 11:15 |
| fewa | and they will be without a job | Jan 06 11:15 |
| fewa | and that period will be over | Jan 06 11:15 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, 3/4 IIRC | Jan 06 11:15 |
| schestowitz | For diplomacy and commerce wit CUba | Jan 06 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Hey, maybe they'll bring over Cuban doctors too to save US lives | Jan 06 11:16 |
| fewa | many americans I know already realize that | Jan 06 11:16 |
| fewa | they will tell the US border guard that they are going to Cuba | Jan 06 11:16 |
| fewa | with medical supplies and the sort | Jan 06 11:16 |
| fewa | but they cant stop them | Jan 06 11:16 |
| fewa | *at the US-Mexican border | Jan 06 11:16 |
| fewa | well anyways, western europe owes alot to america | Jan 06 11:18 |
| fewa | but mostly from >50 years ago | Jan 06 11:18 |
| fewa | anyways: any advice? | Jan 06 11:19 |
| schestowitz | I don't think there are havens | Jan 06 11:19 |
| schestowitz | I added these topics to my daily links, hoping to raise awareness and make support from the public | Jan 06 11:20 |
| schestowitz | But we're still helpless in general, micro level | Jan 06 11:20 |
| fewa | seems to me like undeveloped countries might do better | Jan 06 11:20 |
| fewa | they wont have the huge recoil | Jan 06 11:20 |
| schestowitz | The oil pipe-guarding brigade: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/world/06mullen.html?hpw&partner=TOPIXNEWS | Jan 06 11:21 |
| fewa | meh | Jan 06 11:21 |
| fewa | no point paying attention | Jan 06 11:21 |
| fewa | wonder is they will come back | Jan 06 11:22 |
| fewa | the soldiers will probably never be repatriated | Jan 06 11:22 |
| fewa | just be left there | Jan 06 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the O'Reilly factor needs to do recruitment propaganda more often | Jan 06 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Show Arabs waving some RPGs (made in the US, of course) | Jan 06 11:23 |
| fewa | some political action against the TV distribution would be great | Jan 06 11:23 |
| fewa | then people might actually go out and meat their neighbors | Jan 06 11:24 |
| fewa | *meet | Jan 06 11:24 |
| fewa | more yes men like stunts | Jan 06 11:24 |
| fewa | I'm really wondering what MySpace, Facebook, etc will morph into | Jan 06 11:28 |
| fewa | or Google, in California | Jan 06 11:28 |
| fewa | and dependant on lots of electricity | Jan 06 11:28 |
| fewa | they build a facility on the columbia to try to steal our precious hydro electric | Jan 06 11:29 |
| fewa | for their data mining experiments | Jan 06 11:29 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100104/1424377595.shtml | Jan 06 11:32 |
| schestowitz | new. | Jan 06 11:32 |
| fewa | "In terms of racial and ethnic composition, the United States resembles Yugoslavia more than it resembles Russia, so we shouldn't expect it to be as peaceful as Russia was, following the collapse." | Jan 06 11:32 |
| fewa | meh, thats a done one | Jan 06 11:33 |
| fewa | as soon as collapse hits, it will be realized that only idiots watch cable TV | Jan 06 11:33 |
| fewa | so cable TV will only be able to survive as pure propaganda, much like what broadcast is | Jan 06 11:33 |
| fewa | ...and its already pretty close | Jan 06 11:33 |
| fewa | ....however | Jan 06 11:34 |
| fewa | Cable TV can be broadcast with much simpler equitment, and much lower expenditure | Jan 06 11:34 |
| fewa | local stations through cable could be valuable | Jan 06 11:34 |
| fewa | along with DTV transmissions | Jan 06 11:35 |
| fewa | but if electricity is intermittent it doesn't really matter | Jan 06 11:35 |
| fewa | "In terms of racial and ethnic composition, the United States resembles Yugoslavia more than it resembles Russia, so we shouldn't expect it to be as peaceful as Russia was, following the collapse. Ethnically mixed societies are fragile and have a tendency to explode." | Jan 06 11:35 |
| fewa | "In terms of racial and ethnic composition, the United States resembles Yugoslavia more than it resembles Russia, so we shouldn't expect it to be as peaceful as Russia was, following the collapse. Ethnically mixed societies are fragile and have a tendency to explode." | Jan 06 11:35 |
| fewa | *". | Jan 06 11:36 |
| fewa | In terms of religion, the Soviet Union was relatively free of apocalyptic doomsday cults. Very few people there wished for a planet-sized atomic fireball to herald the second coming of their savior. This was indeed a blessing." | Jan 06 11:36 |
| schestowitz | A lo of people's savings got confiscated. | Jan 06 11:37 |
| fewa | "Don't believe them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them." | Jan 06 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what it does to national worth and possibility of paying back current production levels... | Jan 06 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's how the need for more control can be justified... over society | Jan 06 11:38 |
| fewa | schestowitz, exactly | Jan 06 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Cable TV in the UK is monopolised by Murdoch | Jan 06 11:38 |
| fewa | Chomsky has voiced a fear of fascism | Jan 06 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Almost everything, except the BBC which he's cursing | Jan 06 11:38 |
| fewa | but he doesn't understand peak oil at all | Jan 06 11:38 |
| fewa | meh, don't pay attention to them | Jan 06 11:39 |
| fewa | at all | Jan 06 11:39 |
| fewa | its not worth the time | Jan 06 11:39 |
| schestowitz | There are many things he doesn't understand | Jan 06 11:39 |
| schestowitz | People explain to him tehcnology | Jan 06 11:39 |
| fewa | of course | Jan 06 11:39 |
| fewa | he is bast his time | Jan 06 11:39 |
| fewa | *past | Jan 06 11:39 |
| fewa | his sole goal and accomplishment was to demonstrate the psyche of the anglo-saxon imperialism (IMHO) | Jan 06 11:40 |
| schestowitz | I am seen as 'problematic' to those who believe everything in the news | Jan 06 11:43 |
| schestowitz | It's an effective system | Jan 06 11:43 |
| fewa | thats good | Jan 06 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Others too.... so they keep quiet about issues like UK debt ($3 trillion) | Jan 06 11:44 |
| fewa | somebody has to call them out | Jan 06 11:44 |
| fewa | help ease people away from the propaganda | Jan 06 11:44 |
| fewa | it would be a miricle if some of it was shut down | Jan 06 11:44 |
| fewa | but the satillite stuff cannot without space weapons | Jan 06 11:44 |
| schestowitz | They want bailout now | Jan 06 11:44 |
| schestowitz | The 'press' | Jan 06 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Not the bloggers | Jan 06 11:45 |
| fewa | or the way its pushed into space | Jan 06 11:45 |
| schestowitz | The government- | Jan 06 11:45 |
| schestowitz | serving press | Jan 06 11:45 |
| fewa | let them take it | Jan 06 11:45 |
| schestowitz | mEaning people pay tax to be told lies | Jan 06 11:45 |
| fewa | you have to lampoon that sort or rediculousbness | Jan 06 11:45 |
| fewa | give it the humor it deserves | Jan 06 11:45 |
| schestowitz | To say, "the economy is screwed" is seen as treason | Jan 06 11:45 |
| fewa | aka "freedom of the press to deal with their own problems" | Jan 06 11:45 |
| schestowitz | Same when it comes to denouncing wars | Jan 06 11:45 |
| fewa | you have to lampoon their hypocricy | Jan 06 11:46 |
| fewa | I need to join the local church | Jan 06 11:48 |
| fewa | it would be better if it was catholic | Jan 06 11:48 |
| fewa | and it will be one of the few things that will stay afloat | Jan 06 11:48 |
| schestowitz | It only endorses superstition though | Jan 06 11:50 |
| fewa | well, i am not well acquainted | Jan 06 11:50 |
| fewa | society is going to be in great need to stability | Jan 06 11:50 |
| fewa | they are going to have to switch to real bead | Jan 06 11:51 |
| fewa | *bread | Jan 06 11:51 |
| fewa | instead of those useless littel wafers | Jan 06 11:51 |
| fewa | do they use real bread in less developed countries? | Jan 06 11:51 |
| schestowitz | rice | Jan 06 11:52 |
| fewa | rice patties? | Jan 06 11:52 |
| fewa | I thought it was suppose to be bread? | Jan 06 11:52 |
| fewa | and they dont give the wine like the protestent churches do | Jan 06 11:52 |
| fewa | how did it work in russia | Jan 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000187.jpg | Jan 06 11:55 |
| fewa | ? | Jan 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | soup? | Jan 06 11:55 |
| fewa | better ask dmitry | Jan 06 11:55 |
| fewa | no, the church | Jan 06 11:55 |
| fewa | my nieve mind seems to say they are the best for organizing any sort of rescue | Jan 06 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Well, they put a community organiser 'in change' of the nation | Jan 06 11:56 |
| schestowitz | "yes, we can!" | Jan 06 11:56 |
| schestowitz | The bankers funded him | Jan 06 11:56 |
| schestowitz | He'll lead 'the people' while they hoard what's left | Jan 06 11:56 |
| fewa | "hope, and change" | Jan 06 11:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm not happy about it | Jan 06 11:56 |
| fewa | that is very catholic | Jan 06 11:56 |
| fewa | hope | Jan 06 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Heaven=Hope | Jan 06 11:56 |
| fewa | instead of reform, or rebellion | Jan 06 11:56 |
| fewa | "it will come in the afterlife" | Jan 06 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Tomorrow's promise that never comes | Jan 06 11:57 |
| schestowitz | "|He's up there watching us, smiling" | Jan 06 11:57 |
| schestowitz | What is "up there"? | Jan 06 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Which direction in space? | Jan 06 11:57 |
| fewa | purgatory will see a revivial | Jan 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Depends on time of the day, I guess | Jan 06 11:58 |
| fewa | the best, rational, writings on purgatory is Goethe's Faust | Jan 06 11:58 |
| fewa | also origional sin | Jan 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | We're born evil | Jan 06 11:58 |
| fewa | its not as if the topics are bullshit | Jan 06 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Shame on us | Jan 06 11:58 |
| fewa | well, its more a spin | Jan 06 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Hitchens has good material on it | Jan 06 11:59 |
| fewa | but Goethe explores the rational part | Jan 06 11:59 |
| fewa | you should start dicplining your mind on this stuff | Jan 06 11:59 |
| fewa | it does make some sense | Jan 06 11:59 |
| fewa | brb gonna walk around the block | Jan 06 12:00 |
| schestowitz | k | Jan 06 12:01 |
| fewa | bak | Jan 06 12:15 |
| fewa | there will have to be a recoil from the disparate wealth divide | Jan 06 12:16 |
| fewa | there is alot of anger over it that will last after paper wealth becomes worthless | Jan 06 12:16 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Jan 06 12:18 |
| schestowitz | See USSR | Jan 06 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Oligarchs ripped the rest off | Jan 06 12:18 |
| fewa | thats the opposite | Jan 06 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Then mafia and propaganda peak | Jan 06 12:18 |
| fewa | on paper 1% own 99% | Jan 06 12:19 |
| fewa | and peak oil is not being reported at all, only climate change | Jan 06 12:19 |
| fewa | preparedness for the catholic-science theoracracy | Jan 06 12:20 |
| fewa | which the church has positioned itsself for | Jan 06 12:20 |
| fewa | which could be very strong as it the dogma might be based in reality | Jan 06 12:22 |
| fewa | and peak oil/suffering could be explained as serving god | Jan 06 12:23 |
| fewa | they demonization of oil by the very group that praised it and benifited from it so handsomely | Jan 06 12:24 |
| fewa | after it is already spent | Jan 06 12:24 |
| fewa | its quite incidiously | Jan 06 12:24 |
| fewa | *incidious | Jan 06 12:24 |
| fewa | and it is origional sin | Jan 06 12:24 |
| fewa | so that concept certainly has credence | Jan 06 12:25 |
| fewa | it is from far before christianity | Jan 06 12:25 |
| fewa | in genesis | Jan 06 12:25 |
| fewa | it is the churches duty to switch the blame | Jan 06 12:25 |
| fewa | we really need population control | Jan 06 12:26 |
| fewa | it could end alot of this madness | Jan 06 12:27 |
| fewa | *the scientists that is | Jan 06 12:30 |
| fewa | what so you think? | Jan 06 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I say so too | Jan 06 12:31 |
| fewa | <fewa> they demonization of oil by the very group that praised it and benifited from it so handsomely | Jan 06 12:31 |
| fewa | scientists | Jan 06 12:31 |
| schestowitz | But nobody is willing to be the one without passing his/her genes | Jan 06 12:31 |
| schestowitz | To many people, their children is their will to live | Jan 06 12:31 |
| fewa | (of course knowing that "scientists" is a loose term) | Jan 06 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Science is daemonised | Jan 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | In films for example | Jan 06 12:32 |
| schestowitz | "Mad professor" syndrome | Jan 06 12:32 |
| fewa | way of controling people | Jan 06 12:32 |
| fewa | just like reading in the deep south | Jan 06 12:32 |
| fewa | under slavery | Jan 06 12:32 |
| fewa | the preperation is already underway in that "climate change in a hoax" | Jan 06 12:33 |
| fewa | and then the church will pretend to be fully against use of oil | Jan 06 12:33 |
| fewa | allied with the scientists of course | Jan 06 12:33 |
| fewa | that are of course fully on board with climate change science | Jan 06 12:33 |
| fewa | and are fully against oil--some of the same people that were so for it 60 years ago, and making US gov films about its virtues | Jan 06 12:34 |
| fewa | and then the anti-climate change flak will be used to whip the politics into looking like these two sides are it | Jan 06 12:34 |
| fewa | when the real issue all along was peak oil, and that oil is no longer powerful | Jan 06 12:34 |
| fewa | because you cant get energy from it | Jan 06 12:35 |
| fewa | maybe they will make some things by using alternative energy to pull it up, and then make fleece and such from it | Jan 06 12:35 |
| fewa | The Arrogance of man! | Jan 06 12:36 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/223 | Jan 06 12:38 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/223 | Jan 06 12:42 |
| fewa | wghoopse | Jan 06 12:42 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/216 | Jan 06 12:42 |
| fewa | why the gas can? | Jan 06 12:42 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/215 | Jan 06 12:43 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/212 | Jan 06 12:45 |
| fewa | "Confucius also observed that, "mortality increases when food supply is insufficient; that permanent marriage makes for high infantile mortality rates, that war checks population growth."[5]" | Jan 06 12:53 |
| fewa | that permanent marriage makes for high infantile mortality rates | Jan 06 12:53 |
| fewa | interesting | Jan 06 12:53 |
| fewa | population control is best possible with birth control, low infant mortality, and low death at childbirth | Jan 06 12:54 |
| fewa | which are all recent phenomenon | Jan 06 12:54 |
| fewa | and have changed the ways of women dramatically | Jan 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 06 12:54 |
| schestowitz | But it's a taboo | Jan 06 12:55 |
| schestowitz | To suggest so it like suggesting genoice | Jan 06 12:55 |
| schestowitz | And being compared to mass killers | Jan 06 12:55 |
| fewa | china does it | Jan 06 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Esp. among religious circles | Jan 06 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Some profs here have no kids by choice | Jan 06 12:55 |
| fewa | its not like you would keep it in time of plague | Jan 06 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Let's move it to main channel | Jan 06 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Broader discussion | Jan 06 12:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFPosXIYGP0 interesting... on tea | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | wonder what will happen to wikipedia | Jan 06 13:38 |
| fewa | its hosted in Flordia | Jan 06 13:38 |
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| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture#Agriculture_and_petroleum | Jan 06 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Knol...... | Jan 06 13:47 |
| fewa | just let it die | Jan 06 13:48 |
| fewa | it has it there | Jan 06 13:48 |
| fewa | the word needs to get out | Jan 06 13:48 |
| fewa | as there still may be time to hang those responsible | Jan 06 13:48 |
| fewa | and start a transition to organic agriculture | Jan 06 13:49 |
| fewa | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/feb/26/food.unitednations | Jan 06 13:51 |
| fewa | "The United Nations warned yesterday that it no longer has enough money to keep global malnutrition at bay this year" | Jan 06 13:51 |
| fewa | "in the face of a dramatic upward surge in world commodity prices, which have created a "new face of hunger". " | Jan 06 13:52 |
| fewa | what bullshit | Jan 06 13:52 |
| fewa | "not enought money, becuase stuff is too expensive" | Jan 06 13:52 |
| fewa | aka inflation | Jan 06 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Tom Lehrer CHEMISTRY element song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYW50F42ss8 | Jan 06 13:56 |
| fewa | lol | Jan 06 13:56 |
| fewa | lehrer has better songs | Jan 06 13:57 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY | Jan 06 13:57 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro&feature=related | Jan 06 14:01 |
| fewa | but anyways, as Lehrer himself described its "mere titilization" | Jan 06 14:03 |
| fewa | this time we live in is so wierd | Jan 06 14:03 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdtAFIl2jhc | Jan 06 14:07 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz_-KNNl-no | Jan 06 14:15 |
| fewa | the action was during the age of mass prosperity in US was largely limited this type of thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw | Jan 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for these | Jan 06 14:26 |
| fewa | i love that carlin video | Jan 06 14:27 |
| fewa | its great for break'environmentalist" types | Jan 06 14:27 |
| fewa | *breaking up | Jan 06 14:27 |
| fewa | and all the bullshit | Jan 06 14:27 |
| fewa | "save the planet--i'm tired of that shit, the planet is fine....the _people_ are screwed, big difference" | Jan 06 14:28 |
| fewa | etc | Jan 06 14:28 |
| MinceR | the planet is danger, it suffers from human infection | Jan 06 14:33 |
| MinceR | s/is/is in/ | Jan 06 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Head lice | Jan 06 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it'll erupt again to get rid of them | Jan 06 14:34 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Jan 06 14:34 |
| schestowitz | billions of dots ruining its protection of ozone | Jan 06 14:35 |
| fewa | don't think the earth would mind a p | Jan 06 14:39 |
| fewa | *would mind a shave :P | Jan 06 14:39 |
| fewa | a new look, without atmosphere | Jan 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Fried and dry | Jan 06 14:40 |
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| fewa | ever been on a sailboat before? | Jan 06 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Motor boat with my cousin in Miami | Jan 06 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Waste of fuel | Jan 06 15:55 |
| schestowitz | To go basically nowhere | Jan 06 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Lavish bastards | Jan 06 15:55 |
| fewa | I hate those things | Jan 06 15:56 |
| fewa | they also make it a pain to kayak | Jan 06 15:56 |
| fewa | which is really big here in the northwest | Jan 06 15:56 |
| fewa | god damn | Jan 06 15:57 |
| fewa | if there is no US it get really hard to talk about this area | Jan 06 15:57 |
| fewa | Oregon country? | Jan 06 15:57 |
| fewa | southernmost of russian claims in the 19th century? | Jan 06 15:58 |
| fewa | meh too wordy :P | Jan 06 15:58 |
| fewa | there was some russian scrooge that said that US would break up into 6 pieces | Jan 06 16:31 |
| fewa | had headline "Will Alaska join Russian federation?" | Jan 06 16:31 |
| fewa | lol | Jan 06 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Send Palin to Siberia :-) | Jan 06 16:40 |
| fewa | it was part of russian empire until ~1850 | Jan 06 16:50 |
| fewa | "seward's folly" | Jan 06 16:50 |
| fewa | which turned out to be the corporatist's dream when they discovered 6 months of oil there | Jan 06 16:51 |
| fewa | or maybe 12 months | Jan 06 16:51 |
| fewa | but that is done, spent, etc | Jan 06 18:20 |
| cubezzz | who is the funniest Palin? :) | Jan 07 00:08 |
| cubezzz | well Texas talks about seceding | Jan 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/insane_prices_everything_must.html | Jan 07 00:10 |
| cubezzz | it's only talk though | Jan 07 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not sure how on topic these incidents are, except maybe for the | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft Effect (that technology is not expected to work, ever) | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > spreading to hardware. | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > They are nonetheless very good examples of misdirection: | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 15:19 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2010/01/06/national_rail_website_affected_by_snow.html | Jan 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/helsinki-train-crash-pass_n_410237.html | Jan 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | > Both rail services bought hardware that FAILS TO FUNCTION DURING NORMAL WINTER WEATHER. If the various managers and directors have been collecting larger salaries than their employees because of "increased responsibility" then it is time for them to cough up some of that unwarranted remuneration and chip in for the damages brought in by their tenure. | Jan 07 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I can't see how any of this is attributed to Microsoft, but there is something fishy nonetheless. | Jan 07 15:20 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/amnhj | Jan 07 15:58 |
| trmanco | wtf? | Jan 07 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Jok? | Jan 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Joke? | Jan 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | >> I can't see how any of this is attributed to Microsoft, | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > Not directly, it's only via the 'microsoft effect': technology is not | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > expected to work simply because it's technology, AND, it's not worth | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > investigating the other options because the first option sucks. | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > There was a time when this kind of hardware failure would have heads | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > rolling. Now it is business as usual. | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | >> but there is something fishy nonetheless. | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > That's a second item. Bureaucrats have become desensitized to graft and | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > illegal tenders and under-quality products in software and operating | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > systems during the last ten years. Now they can apply those skills to | Jan 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | > buying heavy vehicles. | Jan 07 16:59 |
| trmanco | yes, its a joke | Jan 07 17:04 |
| trmanco | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/index.php/the-news/100-flash-roy-attacks-his-own-site | Jan 07 19:23 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/conversation/18425674#notice-18426177 | Jan 07 19:24 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/boycottlefty | Jan 07 19:28 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 07 19:29 |
| schestowitz | lies as usual | Jan 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | They obviously don't want to understand that tessier had just enabler the proxy, so my habit of tossing out the DOS floods targeted the IP of the proxy | Jan 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I flushed the blacklist within about 20 minutes | Jan 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if your 1st lang EN? | Jan 07 21:43 |
| schestowitz | *is | Jan 07 21:43 |
| MinceR | nope | Jan 07 21:43 |
| MinceR | it's hungarian | Jan 07 21:43 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jan 07 21:44 |
| schestowitz | You're English is excellent | Jan 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | But please, let's not feed trolls | Jan 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | It fills the site with the pro-Microsoft waffle | Jan 07 22:03 |
| MinceR | someone would feed him | Jan 07 22:03 |
| schestowitz | If I wanted that, there's already /. :-) | Jan 07 22:03 |
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| trmanco | MinceR is funny | Jan 07 22:18 |
| MinceR | i try to relieve the tension somehow :) | Jan 07 22:19 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 07 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | [11:20] <zoobab_> hi | Jan 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz | [11:20] <zoobab_> can you reach http://www.ffii.org? | Jan 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz | [11:20] <schestowitz> no | Jan 08 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Can you try too? | Jan 08 11:21 |
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| MinceR | i can reach it | Jan 08 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's back now. | Jan 08 12:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 08 12:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2010/01/06/the-fundamental-unfairness-of-retroactively-applying-bilski/id=8258/ patent/lawyer troll | Jan 08 13:38 |
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| trmanco | "This release candidate will be followed up by another release candidate (RC2) on January 20th and the first stable version of the KDE SC 4.4 series, 4.4.0 on February, 9th 2010." | Jan 08 16:37 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 08 16:37 |
| trmanco | what a coincidence | Jan 08 16:37 |
| trmanco | jan 20 is the day I go, 9 feb is my 20th birthday | Jan 08 16:37 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jan 08 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Birthday present from Seigo | Jan 08 17:23 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 08 17:26 |
| trmanco | I think I might try kde sc 4.4 rc1 | Jan 08 17:26 |
| MinceR | do we need to keep idiots like neighborlee around? | Jan 08 18:37 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <tessier> Do you think we should stop discussing normal operational issues in the public channel where trolls can see it? | Jan 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <schestowitz> Yeah, sorry | Jan 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Jan 08 21:56 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 08 21:57 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <tessier> No problem. I'll keep such issues in private message from now on. | Jan 08 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: " | Jan 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Dear Richard Stallman, | Jan 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I see that "Lefty" keeps harassing you by distorting what you say and attacking straw men. He does the same thing to me and I do not let it discourage. What I found, however, is that it's best to ignore him; replying to him only encourages more of the same. | Jan 08 23:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 08 23:48 |
| trmanco | that's from who? | Jan 08 23:52 |
| schestowitz | me. | Jan 08 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I also mailed Linus today | Jan 08 23:56 |
| MinceR | about what? | Jan 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | They both always reply to me. Trolls hate it when I point this out. | Jan 08 23:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: patents | Jan 08 23:57 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 08 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't like h/w review in Phoronix. They are pointless as "news" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=encore_enlwin&num=1 | Jan 09 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Same with most howtos, unless it's about new releases of s/t | Jan 09 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | > urgent: we have a transcript! | Jan 09 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > I saw you were going to do a transcript. Well, someone has just sent me that. So hopefully you haven't gotten started.... | Jan 09 11:05 |
| schestowitz | >> Yes, I told him to use ogg. He (Lessig) ignored. He was recently used a | Jan 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz | >> lot by the FSF to further their cause, so I was hopeful. Lessig blog | Jan 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz | >> was declared AWOL some months back (lack of time). | Jan 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz | > I'm sure he'd be happy for someone to host it in a reasonable format. Does he | Jan 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz | > have copyright terms in it? | Jan 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | > I'm sick of reading this nonsense and looking at all the bad things Microsoft | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | > actually does is depressing. Here's a nice transcript with links to various | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft crimes. Enjoy and please share. | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Thank you SO much! | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/09/guardian-microsoft-podcast/ | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Like the others, this one if very valuable for future ref. | Jan 09 11:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Notice the talk about ad funding. | Jan 09 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: where? | Jan 09 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > I did begin doing the transcript last night, but just the first draft, | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > it's still rough. I saw this morning that you already had it done. | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > Which is great! And what a great idea to add the links into it! | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > One thing though...the Microsoft guy in the interview is actually named | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > "Darren Huston", in the transcript it's shown as Dan Houston. | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > I'm on BN IRC, but no one seems to be there right now, thought I'd send | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > a quick note about the name, because I know you'd want it to be correct. | Jan 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz | > Some msgs deleted by moderator, that means moderator A passes them, | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > and moderator B deletes them. At least they allow comments on this | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > article. But theREG is most critical of Google lately. I wouldn't mind | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > if they were equally balanced with MICROS~1. I wonder how much | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > advertising revenue they are getting from MS and friends. Remember the | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > videocast on 'open source' that only featured MS and Novell (check | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > your facts) ... | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/08/google_nexus_partner_friendly/ | Jan 09 13:59 |
| oiaohm | They mention it for the poorer parts of the world in the transcript schestowitz | Jan 09 14:19 |
| schestowitz | ad funding? | Jan 09 14:19 |
| oiaohm | DH: We have tried some experience with ad funded Windows in places like Brazil and China, you know, where people maybe are not paying for Windows << Find that line in the guardian microsoft podcast | Jan 09 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Its a interesting read to say the least schestowitz | Jan 09 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Ah that | Jan 09 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Looks like MS is looking at selling themes business. | Jan 09 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 09 14:27 |
| oiaohm | We also have brand theme packs. We have Ferrari Ducatti, Coke-a-Cola, and and actually people think we’ve charged for it but we haven’t it’s a pilot << MS does not keep free pilots for ever. | Jan 09 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. Pathetic | Jan 09 14:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | I see that "Lefty" keeps harassing you by distorting what you say and | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | attacking straw men. He does the same thing to me and I do not let it | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | discourage. What I found, however, is that it's best to ignore him; | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | replying to him only encourages more of the same. | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | I know. Someone posted that under my name and didn't ask me if | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | it was a good idea to do so. | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | rms @ identica is not RMS | Jan 09 14:44 |
| schestowitz | It's someone running an account for him | Jan 09 14:44 |
| trmanco | oh | Jan 09 14:44 |
| trmanco | I actually thought it was him... first time I saw that account say something besides posting his website's rss feed | Jan 09 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes, same here | Jan 09 14:45 |
| trmanco | rms should start using a browser | Jan 09 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Pathetic equals desperate to find solution. | Jan 09 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: he uses one | Jan 09 18:00 |
| MinceR | i thought he only used an email client and some sort of web->email gateway | Jan 09 18:06 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jan 09 18:17 |
| trmanco | that's what I've read | Jan 09 18:17 |
| schestowitz | /me watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cU1CRPiZt0&feature=related | Jan 09 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The US is going to be like today's Russia -- irrelevant | Jan 09 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Over expansion | Jan 09 18:36 |
| MinceR | who will be relevant, china? | Jan 09 18:42 |
| MinceR | we're screwed either way | Jan 09 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 09 18:47 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine learns Mandarin now. My ex-girlfriend too | Jan 09 19:09 |
| trmanco | :O | Jan 09 19:15 |
| trmanco | I refuse to learn yet another language | Jan 09 19:16 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to master it | Jan 09 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I could speak 3... I forgot one | Jan 09 19:32 |
| trmanco | why is net aplications spaming windwos marketshare? | Jan 09 19:42 |
| MinceR | probably m$ pays them to | Jan 09 19:43 |
| trmanco | http://marketshare.hitslink.com/rss/index.aspx | Jan 09 19:43 |
| trmanco | everytime it get 1% market share they write something | Jan 09 19:43 |
| schestowitz | To make the big lie be repeated | Jan 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Before them it was accepted that Linux had 3% (and growing) | Jan 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Then came this big lie again and again | Jan 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is their customer (=$$) | Jan 09 19:44 |
| trmanco | it's running on microsoft shit, so it figures | Jan 09 20:21 |
| schestowitz | The guy there is from Microsoft | Jan 09 20:26 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <neighborlee> hi roy | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <neighborlee> just wondering, do you know: | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <neighborlee> does 'vexorian' hang out here, if so goes by another name or anything..I LOVE his position on mono.. | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <schestowitz> Yes | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <neighborlee> ie: its not good enough to just 'remove' it,,ubuntu should not ship it and no one shoudl use ubuntu until they do | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:52] <neighborlee> ok good | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:52] <neighborlee> thx I wasn't sure | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:52] <neighborlee> I def. want to talk to him at some point | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <neighborlee> ok about PM | Jan 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm...... | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > Of course she knows who I am, but she knows me by my real name. What is | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > it you are trying to send her? If it's one that I did, or one that | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > Chris did before she left, maybe I can find it. | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > I'm working on transcribing some Comes PDFs right now. But the ONE | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > thing I don't want to do is cause PJ more work or stress. So, let me | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > know what you need and I'll do my best to find it, or transcribe it if | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > it hasn't already been done. | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I think we've done or at least mapped everything that's of great value to us, but there's more stuff worth completing when time permits. | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | A lot of companies/products are already deceased, which makes historical excavation rather futile (NetPC, DRI, BeOS, Netscape). | Jan 09 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > But, Roy, what was it that you were referencing that PJ needs the | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > original to? (from the first email) I'm not sure I understand what's | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > needed. | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > Can you give me a specific title or PDF number? Whatever it is, I'll | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > track it down and either transcribe it or, if it's already in text, I'll | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > post it in the Comes thread on Groklaw along with the ones I'm working | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > on now. | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > Sorry if I'm confused, I truly want to help, I just don't know what's | Jan 09 22:31 |
| schestowitz | > needed. | Jan 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It's something that we already have - someone from Finland did it for us. | Jan 09 22:32 |
| schestowitz | To cousin..... | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > I have some doubts as to whether this billionaire is making the right call, | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > but his opinion is worth reading. | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > If he is on the right track, this country is in deep doo-doo because China | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > is our largest creditor and buys our bonds which keeps us afloat and | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > interest rates low. | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/108534/contrarian-investor-sees- | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | > economic-crash-in-china?mod=retire-planning | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | China is the new US. | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | US is the new USSR. | Jan 09 22:34 |
| schestowitz | A mate has just mailed me this: http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/willie/2010/0106.html | Jan 09 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: this part is about Hungary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xzNJ1ThcE&feature=related | Jan 10 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 10 03:22 |
| schestowitz | [03:19] <tessier__> Did you just paypal me $57.92? Trying to figure out who Tag1 Consulting is who just sent me money. | Jan 10 03:22 |
| schestowitz | [03:20] <schestowitz> It's tag1, yes | Jan 10 03:22 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 10 03:22 |
| schestowitz | [03:21] <tessier__> Ok, thought it might be you. I almost deleted the notice from Paypal as phishing! :) Entered the paypal url by hand instead of clicking on the link just to be sure. | Jan 10 03:22 |
| schestowitz | [03:21] <tessier__> Thanks | Jan 10 03:22 |
| schestowitz | More interesting stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loM1uaVOXTA&feature=related | Jan 10 04:22 |
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| fewa_ | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/business/worldbusiness/01cartel.html | Jan 10 08:57 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Rice_Exporting_Countries | Jan 10 08:57 |
| schestowitz | old news by now? | Jan 10 09:51 |
| fewa_ | yes | Jan 10 10:17 |
| fewa_ | but seemed interesting | Jan 10 10:17 |
| fewa_ | indonesia pissed | Jan 10 10:17 |
| fewa_ | wonder about Japan | Jan 10 10:18 |
| fewa_ | which imports 60% of its calories | Jan 10 10:20 |
| fewa_ | the econopreechers are crazy | Jan 10 10:23 |
| fewa_ | talking about neoliberalism around food | Jan 10 10:24 |
| fewa_ | aka, if I pay, i can make you starve | Jan 10 10:24 |
| fewa_ | needs to be pointed out | Jan 10 10:24 |
| fewa_ | its inhumane | Jan 10 10:25 |
| fewa_ | ....[in Japan] there is a strong public outcry for raising the nation's food self-sufficiency rate. In fiscal 1965, Japan's calorie-based self-sufficiency rate was 73 percent. By 1998, however, it dropped to 40 percent and remained at the level ... through fiscal 2005. The government seeks to raise the rate to 45 percent by the end of fiscal 2015. | Jan 10 10:26 |
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| fewa_ | http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-m3.gif?hl=ad&t=1262785215 | Jan 10 10:46 |
| fewa_ | there it is | Jan 10 10:46 |
| fewa_ | how much time left? | Jan 10 10:46 |
| fewa_ | the bubble is clear | Jan 10 10:47 |
| fewa_ | and what is that huge upward in M1? | Jan 10 10:47 |
| fewa_ | so savings wentdown as the bubble rose | Jan 10 10:48 |
| fewa_ | and now the bottom is fallingout of the M3 as everything is nationalized | Jan 10 10:48 |
| cubezzz | what is M1? | Jan 10 10:50 |
| fewa_ | hmm | Jan 10 10:52 |
| fewa_ | well not still sure | Jan 10 10:52 |
| cubezzz | "All Post-World War II Housing Growth Is Gone" | Jan 10 10:52 |
| fewa_ | * M0: The total of all physical currency, plus accounts at the central bank that can be exchanged for physical currency. | Jan 10 10:52 |
| fewa_ | * M1: The total of all physical currency part of bank reserves + the amount in demand accounts ("checking" or "current" accounts). | Jan 10 10:52 |
| fewa_ | * M2: M1 + most savings accounts, money market accounts, retail money market mutual funds,and small denomination time deposits (certificates of deposit of under $100,000). | Jan 10 10:52 |
| fewa_ | * M3: M2 + all other CDs (large time deposits, institutional money market mutual fund balances), deposits of eurodollars and repurchase agreements. | Jan 10 10:52 |
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| cubezzz | how can that be true? There's been tons of houses built since WW2 | Jan 10 10:52 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jan 10 10:52 |
| cubezzz | ok | Jan 10 10:53 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, probably means the growth that started then has stopped, and its not growth in the old sense, it means profits | Jan 10 10:53 |
| fewa_ | profits, not net | Jan 10 10:53 |
| cubezzz | ah ok | Jan 10 10:53 |
| cubezzz | well, it's got to stop at some point | Jan 10 10:54 |
| cubezzz | you can't have infinite houses | Jan 10 10:54 |
| fewa_ | economics is basically a way of rationalizing greed, and attempting to conflate natural resources with human capital | Jan 10 10:54 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, well, morgages are no longer worth their paper value | Jan 10 10:54 |
| fewa_ | as things contract | Jan 10 10:55 |
| cubezzz | I imagine is a good time to buy | Jan 10 10:55 |
| cubezzz | lousy time to sell | Jan 10 10:55 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, only for your primary sesidence | Jan 10 10:55 |
| fewa_ | somewhere you want to be | Jan 10 10:55 |
| cubezzz | I hear gold is ready to drop soon | Jan 10 10:56 |
| cubezzz | that's the rumour anyway | Jan 10 10:56 |
| fewa_ | GDP can only continue to go up with either a continued division of labor, or ever-higher energy consumption | Jan 10 10:56 |
| cubezzz | couldn't it just remain the same? | Jan 10 10:57 |
| fewa_ | increases are the only things that make economics systems possible | Jan 10 10:57 |
| fewa_ | otherwise it reverts to politics | Jan 10 10:57 |
| fewa_ | ...the meta-economics system | Jan 10 10:58 |
| cubezzz | reach a point of equilibrium? | Jan 10 10:58 |
| cubezzz | yeah that's just it though, I don't think it can keep going up forever | Jan 10 10:58 |
| fewa_ | all critical natural resource need to be nationalized in all places | Jan 10 10:58 |
| cubezzz | hasn't that happened already? | Jan 10 10:59 |
| fewa_ | look at the US's mining act | Jan 10 10:59 |
| cubezzz | I wonder what would happen if we had transmutation of elements | Jan 10 10:59 |
| cubezzz | that would change a lot of things :) | Jan 10 10:59 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Mining_Act_of_1872 | Jan 10 11:00 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, you can only do that with infinite free energy | Jan 10 11:00 |
| cubezzz | Gold price: $138 | Jan 10 11:00 |
| cubezzz | oops, $1138 | Jan 10 11:00 |
| cubezzz | pretty high | Jan 10 11:00 |
| cubezzz | I always thought scientists could just synthesize oil or something like it | Jan 10 11:01 |
| cubezzz | can't be that hard | Jan 10 11:01 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, Germany did it from coal | Jan 10 11:01 |
| fewa_ | but it took a lot of coal | Jan 10 11:01 |
| fewa_ | *i shouldn't have said "human capital" | Jan 10 11:02 |
| fewa_ | labore | Jan 10 11:02 |
| cubezzz | or just figure out something totally different | Jan 10 11:02 |
| fewa_ | differn't | Jan 10 11:02 |
| cubezzz | like Tesla power :) | Jan 10 11:02 |
| fewa_ | "human capital" is just a funny way of saying "wage slavery" | Jan 10 11:02 |
| cubezzz | the 30 year price of gold looks like a big U | Jan 10 11:03 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, quite honestly, there is no replacement for oil | Jan 10 11:03 |
| fewa_ | and the tar sands are an energy sink | Jan 10 11:03 |
| fewa_ | taking massive amounts of water as well | Jan 10 11:03 |
| fewa_ | massive pollution | Jan 10 11:03 |
| cubezzz | hydrogen I guess could replace oil | Jan 10 11:03 |
| fewa_ | lol, no | Jan 10 11:03 |
| cubezzz | it is the universe's most abundant element | Jan 10 11:03 |
| fewa_ | utterly impossible | Jan 10 11:03 |
| cubezzz | only with today's tech | Jan 10 11:04 |
| fewa_ | http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259 | Jan 10 11:04 |
| fewa_ | friggen joke | Jan 10 11:04 |
| fewa_ | ^read that | Jan 10 11:04 |
| cubezzz | imagine if you could get oil from Jupiter :) | Jan 10 11:04 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, and how would you propose getting it out of Jupiter's orbit? | Jan 10 11:05 |
| cubezzz | Orlov again :) | Jan 10 11:05 |
| fewa_ | that would take more energy than its weight | Jan 10 11:05 |
| fewa_ | only U-238 might be energy positive to get out of Jupiter's weight | Jan 10 11:05 |
| cubezzz | yeah that would be pretty hard | Jan 10 11:06 |
| cubezzz | could there be oil or something like it on Mars? | Jan 10 11:06 |
| fewa_ | same problem | Jan 10 11:06 |
| cubezzz | Mars gravity is a lot less though | Jan 10 11:06 |
| fewa_ | the much more realistic solution is to drain the heat from inside the earth | Jan 10 11:06 |
| fewa_ | with geothermal | Jan 10 11:06 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think Iceland does that | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | yes | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | i wonder how much that directly heats atmosphere> | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | :P | Jan 10 11:07 |
| cubezzz | why do we even bother going to Mars at all then? | Jan 10 11:07 |
| cubezzz | if it's so useless... | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | probably not that significant considering the massive in and out flows | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, the NASA rovers were awesome | Jan 10 11:07 |
| cubezzz | well it's -15.2C here :) | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | massive win, and accomplishment | Jan 10 11:07 |
| fewa_ | have you watched some of the vids, pics | Jan 10 11:08 |
| fewa_ | I watched a presentation | Jan 10 11:08 |
| cubezzz | yes, but to what avail? | Jan 10 11:08 |
| fewa_ | both have been runing for 2 years | Jan 10 11:08 |
| fewa_ | like 3 mars years | Jan 10 11:08 |
| cubezzz | every science fiction story has turned out wrong | Jan 10 11:08 |
| cubezzz | no HAL, no Space 1999 | Jan 10 11:08 |
| fewa_ | I would consider it equilivent to like voyager 2 or 3 | Jan 10 11:08 |
| cubezzz | no Star Trek, that's for sure :) | Jan 10 11:09 |
| cubezzz | so optimistic | Jan 10 11:09 |
| fewa_ | human spaceflight...that is a differn't story | Jan 10 11:09 |
| fewa_ | totaly stupid | Jan 10 11:09 |
| fewa_ | massive waste of oil | Jan 10 11:09 |
| fewa_ | ISS should be dismantled | Jan 10 11:09 |
| fewa_ | its a stupid dream | Jan 10 11:09 |
| cubezzz | The Jails Race... | Jan 10 11:11 |
| cubezzz | well | Jan 10 11:11 |
| fewa_ | also GPS | Jan 10 11:11 |
| fewa_ | etc, etc | Jan 10 11:11 |
| cubezzz | humans are stupid :) | Jan 10 11:11 |
| fewa_ | big accomplishments of US investment in government science and technology | Jan 10 11:11 |
| fewa_ | http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-cpi.gif?hl=ad&t=1260978035 | Jan 10 11:13 |
| fewa_ | http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-gdp.gif?hl=ad&t=1261497965 | Jan 10 11:15 |
| fewa_ | bogus government numbers.... | Jan 10 11:15 |
| fewa_ | such as using cash accounting | Jan 10 11:15 |
| cubezzz | as long as cash can get you the stuff you need... | Jan 10 11:16 |
| cubezzz | cash is good | Jan 10 11:16 |
| fewa_ | those alternate GDP numbers look much more realistic | Jan 10 11:18 |
| cubezzz | lol Orlov is funny | Jan 10 11:18 |
| cubezzz | "A lot of the people, who just waddle to and from their cars, seem unprepared for what comes next." | Jan 10 11:18 |
| fewa_ | and quite correct... | Jan 10 11:19 |
| cubezzz | not getting out of the car, just use the drive thru :) | Jan 10 11:19 |
| cubezzz | that is pretty bad | Jan 10 11:19 |
| fewa_ | its true | Jan 10 11:19 |
| fewa_ | thankfully in the pacific northwest its not that bad | Jan 10 11:19 |
| fewa_ | people are pretty fit around here | Jan 10 11:19 |
| cubezzz | I actually can cook | Jan 10 11:19 |
| fewa_ | although not neccicarily fit enough for manual labor | Jan 10 11:19 |
| fewa_ | ...i mean not fat | Jan 10 11:20 |
| cubezzz | are you in Washington state? | Jan 10 11:20 |
| fewa_ | yes | Jan 10 11:20 |
| cubezzz | yikes | Jan 10 11:20 |
| cubezzz | too close to Redmond :) | Jan 10 11:20 |
| fewa_ | comes from the maize diets | Jan 10 11:20 |
| fewa_ | lol | Jan 10 11:20 |
| fewa_ | i know people that work for Redmond | Jan 10 11:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah corn fructose in the pop and stuff | Jan 10 11:21 |
| fewa_ | low-protein diets creats obesidy | Jan 10 11:21 |
| fewa_ | and malnutruition | Jan 10 11:21 |
| fewa_ | in order to get enough protein people much eat too much | Jan 10 11:21 |
| fewa_ | carbos | Jan 10 11:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah I eat pretty decently now | Jan 10 11:21 |
| cubezzz | programmers can have bad lifestyles | Jan 10 11:21 |
| fewa_ | and unless they get alot of excercise, then that food makes them fat | Jan 10 11:21 |
| fewa_ | you should stay away from maize, white rice, white bread | Jan 10 11:22 |
| cubezzz | yeah I used to eat white rice | Jan 10 11:22 |
| cubezzz | I switched to high grain pasta | Jan 10 11:22 |
| fewa_ | try to eat more beans, oats, whole wheat | Jan 10 11:22 |
| cubezzz | yeah, basically that's what I do | Jan 10 11:23 |
| fewa_ | low-calorie diets should have a higher protein content | Jan 10 11:23 |
| fewa_ | and a higher unsaturated-fat content | Jan 10 11:23 |
| fewa_ | like olive oil | Jan 10 11:23 |
| fewa_ | or tree nuts | Jan 10 11:23 |
| cubezzz | yeah I stoppped eating a lot of things like pizza and cookies and chocolate bars | Jan 10 11:24 |
| fewa_ | imn addicted to sugar | Jan 10 11:24 |
| fewa_ | but consume far less than most americans | Jan 10 11:24 |
| cubezzz | no pop, no burgers, no fast food | Jan 10 11:25 |
| fewa_ | is it called maize or corn up there> | Jan 10 11:26 |
| fewa_ | europeans like to call it maize | Jan 10 11:26 |
| fewa_ | most of it, at least what is grown around here is monsanto, terminator, GMO | Jan 10 11:27 |
| cubezzz | corn fructose I think was the big problem | Jan 10 11:27 |
| cubezzz | in soda for example | Jan 10 11:27 |
| fewa_ | pretty disturbing | Jan 10 11:27 |
| fewa_ | cane sugar is actually cheaper | Jan 10 11:27 |
| fewa_ | its only subsidizes that lead to HFCS | Jan 10 11:27 |
| fewa_ | government corruption | Jan 10 11:27 |
| fewa_ | monsanto | Jan 10 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the type of suger. | Jan 10 11:28 |
| fewa_ | ahh, cane is sucralose | Jan 10 11:28 |
| fewa_ | but fructose is cheaper than cane--from beats | Jan 10 11:29 |
| fewa_ | beets* | Jan 10 11:29 |
| oiaohm | fructose cases cravings to eat more. | Jan 10 11:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah but I think it's worse for you | Jan 10 11:29 |
| cubezzz | health-wise | Jan 10 11:29 |
| fewa_ | invert sugar is even woorse | Jan 10 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Not just cheaper | Jan 10 11:29 |
| fewa_ | IMHO | Jan 10 11:29 |
| fewa_ | which is honey, and also produced chemicaly from sucralose | Jan 10 11:29 |
| fewa_ | "Swedish fish" | Jan 10 11:30 |
| oiaohm | If you make cookies with fructose instead of suger people will eat them faster. | Jan 10 11:30 |
| oiaohm | So you will sell more. | Jan 10 11:30 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jan 10 11:30 |
| cubezzz | well, like I said, I stopped eating cookies | Jan 10 11:30 |
| fewa_ | have you had "swedish fish" before? | Jan 10 11:31 |
| fewa_ | its the same sugar as honey | Jan 10 11:31 |
| fewa_ | very quick | Jan 10 11:31 |
| cubezzz | no | Jan 10 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Fun part is some artifical sugers are ant poison yet we drink them in diet stuff. | Jan 10 11:32 |
| cubezzz | never even heard of it | Jan 10 11:32 |
| cubezzz | I drink mostly fruit juice and water | Jan 10 11:32 |
| fewa_ | hmm, maybe american candy | Jan 10 11:32 |
| cubezzz | I'll probably even stop drinking tea and coffee | Jan 10 11:32 |
| fewa_ | ughh | Jan 10 11:32 |
| fewa_ | thats far woorse than sugar | Jan 10 11:32 |
| fewa_ | (IMHO) | Jan 10 11:33 |
| fewa_ | esp coffee | Jan 10 11:33 |
| fewa_ | so hard on stomach | Jan 10 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the coffee | Jan 10 11:33 |
| cubezzz | then there's hot chocolate which I still drink | Jan 10 11:33 |
| cubezzz | of course that's mostly sugar :) | Jan 10 11:33 |
| fewa_ | cubezzz, actual hot chocolate... | Jan 10 11:33 |
| fewa_ | ahh, not | Jan 10 11:33 |
| fewa_ | with "artificial flavors" | Jan 10 11:33 |
| cubezzz | well, whatever the supermarket is selling | Jan 10 11:33 |
| fewa_ | and very low cocoa content | Jan 10 11:34 |
| cubezzz | I imagine it has some cocoa beans | Jan 10 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Decaf coffee from okra is not bad on stomach | Jan 10 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a natural plant you can get equal to Decaf Coffee from. | Jan 10 11:34 |
| fewa_ | oiaohm, decaf? whats the point? | Jan 10 11:34 |
| cubezzz | I tried a 100% coca chocolate bar once | Jan 10 11:34 |
| cubezzz | no sugar | Jan 10 11:34 |
| fewa_ | yum | Jan 10 11:34 |
| cubezzz | tasted kind of gross :) | Jan 10 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Sabotage. | Jan 10 11:34 |
| fewa_ | I like 90% | Jan 10 11:34 |
| cubezzz | I'm not used to it | Jan 10 11:34 |
| fewa_ | its really good | Jan 10 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Okra coffee tastes very much like the caffenee version. | Jan 10 11:35 |
| fewa_ | but chocolate is bit of a poison itsself | Jan 10 11:35 |
| fewa_ | and contains caffeine as well | Jan 10 11:35 |
| fewa_ | but good to seperate out the who addictions | Jan 10 11:35 |
| fewa_ | I like straight cocoa | Jan 10 11:35 |
| fewa_ | that is how hot cocoa is suppose to be | Jan 10 11:35 |
| oiaohm | So much so most coffee drinkers cannot pick the difference between Okra coffee and normal other than the fact no caffenee it don't keep you awake. | Jan 10 11:36 |
| fewa_ | lol | Jan 10 11:36 |
| fewa_ | how about chicory | Jan 10 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Okra at one point was used to mix down coffee grounds. | Jan 10 11:36 |
| fewa_ | I dont understand why anyone would drink coffee | Jan 10 11:37 |
| cubezzz | trouble is we can't grow coffee beans locally | Jan 10 11:37 |
| fewa_ | honestly | Jan 10 11:37 |
| fewa_ | there is tea | Jan 10 11:37 |
| cubezzz | so we have to import it | Jan 10 11:37 |
| fewa_ | why drink coffee when you can get caffeine from tea | Jan 10 11:37 |
| fewa_ | its really just cultural.... | Jan 10 11:37 |
| cubezzz | yeah I actually went back to tea from coffee | Jan 10 11:37 |
| cubezzz | but evidently it has tanic acid in it which is bad | Jan 10 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Before being gounded you can tell the difference with Okra but after grinding you are kind screwed picking it. fewa_ | Jan 10 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Chicory has a slightly different color after being ground. | Jan 10 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Coffee can give higher caffeine rates than tea | Jan 10 11:40 |
| oiaohm | I forget there is one pickable difference between okra coffee and normal. | Jan 10 11:41 |
| oiaohm | If you have a cold with a cough after okra coffee it disappears. | Jan 10 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie the cough | Jan 10 11:42 |
| oiaohm | http://www.pyroenergen.com/articles07/okra-health-benefits.htm World war 2 lot of okra coffee was made. | Jan 10 11:43 |
| MinceR | 123631 < fewa_> I dont understand why anyone would drink coffee | Jan 10 11:53 |
| MinceR | because it tastes good? :> | Jan 10 11:53 |
| MinceR | also, the caffeine can be useful | Jan 10 11:53 |
| oiaohm | caffeine is only useful if you have not built up a tollerence to it. | Jan 10 11:54 |
| MinceR | if you have a tolerance for it, you need more. :> | Jan 10 11:54 |
| oiaohm | To a point. | Jan 10 11:58 |
| oiaohm | too much caffeine will kill. | Jan 10 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Low you tolerance less you need to get the same effects and the longer you can stay awake using caffeine without risking life | Jan 10 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | More comes coming....... | Jan 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz | > This email has bothered me all night, and rather than leave it hanging, I'd like to wrap it up. | Jan 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz | > Since I don't really understand what started this email, what the original conversation was about, or why I was included in it, I'd like to just say this: | Jan 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz | > From my understanding, there are three important things that PJ has asked for regarding the Comes collection. | Jan 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz | > First, she's asked for help in getting the information organized and searchable. She's provided guidelines for layout, and an area on Groklaw to post the results, so it can all be looked over. | Jan 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz | > Second, she needs the authenticity of everything to be known and verified. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > Now, I've helped Roy to transcribe several Comes PDFs this last year. I did it because I believe it's information that needs to be seen. Plus, it was good typing practice, and I learned a lot about Microsoft's business practices. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > However, the PDFs I've been sorting through and transcribing this weekend for Groklaw are only ones that I took directly from the Groklaw collection. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > I want PJ to know that I understand the difference and why it's important that the origins of every legal document be verified. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > I will check through the Comes pdfs from Roy's site that I've typed up myself, and see if they've already been done on Groklaw. If not, I'll send them to PJ. But they will still need to be checked against the original PDF that came from a verified source. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > As far as letting PJ know about other Microsoft issues, I'd say that it might be best to just focus on the task at hand, for now. I believe she has a goal and purpose in mind and it seems to me that what she's asking is not unreasonable. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > And most important of all, to me, is that this little email thread ends with PJ knowing that I understand her requests and will abide by them. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > I don't have a lot of ways to contribute. I always do what I can within the time and skills I have. I know that my understanding of technical things is pretty limited, and my abilities are quite often lacking, but I do the best I can. At the very least, I try not to be a hindrance. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I don't mean to sound grumpy, but I didn't want to leave this conversation hanging in mid-air, with PJ in doubt of my understanding regarding the need to only work from verified originals when posting Comes text to Groklaw. | Jan 10 14:42 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: update phirce's class | Jan 10 15:03 |
| trmanco | http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/raw/7a66809a8375/Class.phIRCe.php | Jan 10 15:03 |
| trmanco | it's got some fixes | Jan 10 15:03 |
| trmanco | but youtube won't work because it blocks the bot :/ | Jan 10 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | Cool. | Jan 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Restarted, test based on your patches please | Jan 10 15:56 |
| trmanco | what do you mean? | Jan 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what URLs didn't work before and work now | Jan 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW: | Jan 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you should run the bot from your PC | Jan 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/10/afghanistan.journalist.killed/index.html | Jan 10 16:04 |
| trmanco | I didn't figure out why some simply won't work :/ | Jan 10 16:09 |
| trmanco | and the youtube links the same thing | Jan 10 16:09 |
| schestowitz | > Cool. The Rubin story is really shocking. He would be a great person to interview, if he's free to talk. | Jan 10 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Got him mail addy? | Jan 10 19:16 |
| trmanco | I updated the bot to display it's version | Jan 10 20:12 |
| trmanco | download latest trunk | Jan 10 20:12 |
| trmanco | it should display it's version | Jan 10 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Try it now | Jan 10 20:14 |
| schestowitz | What's the command? | Jan 10 20:16 |
| trmanco | it's suppose to say it when it says hello word | Jan 10 20:17 |
| trmanco | but query the bot | Jan 10 20:17 |
| trmanco | !version phirce | Jan 10 20:17 |
| trmanco | did you download the whole package | Jan 10 20:19 |
| trmanco | ? | Jan 10 20:19 |
| schestowitz | no | Jan 10 20:19 |
| schestowitz | that's why | Jan 10 20:19 |
| trmanco | http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/get/6421476461f3.bz2 | Jan 10 20:20 |
| schestowitz | > Don't worry. I was just trying to find the page in the PDF at issue | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > that mentions the fox. I looked at every page and I couldn't find it, | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > but I didn't read every blessed word either. | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > So I left that part out of my blurb. If you ever find the page, though, | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > I'd love to have it. | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | > I trust you, Cranky! | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I think there was a misunderstanding/miscommunication somewhere. | Jan 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Jill, come to IRC later :-) | Jan 10 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | > Arrrrr no, nothing but generic. You would have to ask for practical details like that. Let me look ... eh, nothing easy to find. Should I try to Bing it? ha ha. | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.google.com/corporate/execs.html | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.google.com/corporate/execs.html#andyrubin | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > dead end. Oh yeah, the usual cranks show up. Looks like some more messaging to him by the usual foul tongued folks: | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > Mobile/thread?tid=56494b17110b8a93&hl=en | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > "Dear Google. Goodbye. - Google Mobile Help | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > 44 posts - 23 authors - Last post: yesterday | Jan 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > The great thing about educating yourself is that information in this ..... But Rubin, vice president of engineering for Android at Google, ... www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Mobile/thread?... - Cached" | Jan 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | > OK, here's the generic. | Jan 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | > press@google.com | Jan 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to get an interview with them......... | Jan 10 22:08 |
| schestowitz | For BN.... | Jan 10 22:08 |
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| trmanco | lool | Jan 10 23:10 |
| trmanco | youtube has this header | Jan 10 23:10 |
| trmanco | X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff | Jan 10 23:10 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jan 10 23:10 |
| trmanco | I found the problem | Jan 10 23:33 |
| trmanco | it's the regular expression | Jan 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Jan 10 23:33 |
| trmanco | I need to fix it, but I can figure out how :/ | Jan 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | ./<title[^>]*>(.*?)<\/title>/ | Jan 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | this won't match the youtube url | Jan 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | because it has \r and \n | Jan 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | I don't know how to fit that in | Jan 10 23:35 |
| trmanco | fixed it | Jan 11 00:25 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 11 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Let's try it..? | Jan 11 00:26 |
| trmanco | gimme a moment to test | Jan 11 00:26 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/get/7a01fb808b6b.bz2 | Jan 11 00:43 |
| trmanco | download that | Jan 11 00:43 |
| trmanco | the config file is now seperate from the bot file | Jan 11 00:43 |
| trmanco | and the youtube urls and other now work | Jan 11 00:43 |
| trmanco | others | Jan 11 00:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 11 00:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm | Jan 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | [01:35] <tessier___> I will need you to get me the root mysql password. I don't have a record of what I set it to where I am at the moment. | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:35] <schestowitz> Thanks a lot!! | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:35] <schestowitz> Oh wait | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:35] <schestowitz> mysql password | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:36] <tessier___> right | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:36] <schestowitz> I don't have that | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:36] <schestowitz> No problem | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:36] <tessier___> ok, I can get in without it. mysql will be down for a moment... | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:41] <tessier___> ok, root pass recovered. Now I am going to drop the wordpress database and reload it. | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:41] <schestowitz> Nice :-) | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:43] <tessier___> Ok, db is loading now. It'll take a minute or two. | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:51] <tessier___> yes | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:51] <schestowitz> :) | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | [01:51] <schestowitz> Just wanted to be 100% sure. | Jan 11 01:52 |
| schestowitz | SO mucy better now! | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:02] <tessier____> Everything looking good? We're all done here and ready to leave the datacenter. | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:02] <schestowitz> Yes, it's excellent | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:02] <schestowitz> Pages load _much_ faster now | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <schestowitz> load average: 0.12, 0.35, 0.64 | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <tessier____> Awesome. Also note that since we put in the proxy all ips to your site will appear to be coming from the proxy so the utility of that plugin may be limited anyway. | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <schestowitz> Exactly | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <tessier____> We could arrange other ways for you to receive the actual IP if necessary. | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <schestowitz> I thought threaded comments was a possible culprit | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <schestowitz> I stripped it down and tested a bit | Jan 11 02:08 |
| schestowitz | [02:03] <tessier____> The proxy can pass it along in another http header which apache could log | Jan 11 02:09 |
| schestowitz | [02:04] <tessier____> Ok, we're out of here then. ttyl | Jan 11 02:09 |
| schestowitz | [02:04] <schestowitz> :-)_ | Jan 11 02:09 |
| trmanco | proxy? | Jan 11 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes, for filtering | Jan 11 02:15 |
| schestowitz | The DOS attacks | Jan 11 02:15 |
| trmanco | cool | Jan 11 02:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axU9ngbTxKw&NR=1 | Jan 11 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm... never seen this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA&feature=related | Jan 11 02:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMK5bmdAEHc&NR=1 | Jan 11 02:51 |
| schestowitz | That's all new footage to me | Jan 11 02:51 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: any thing else you wanna see on the bot (bugfixes only) | Jan 11 23:51 |
| trmanco | just testing something | Jan 12 00:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll tell you when I think of something, thanks so much! | Jan 12 01:00 |
| trmanco | welcome | Jan 12 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | [12:14] <zoobab> where is the video? | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:14] <schestowitz> Stiglitz video (jan 5th) | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:15] <schestowitz> BTW: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/11/ffii-on-eu-trade-agreement/ :-) | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:16] <schestowitz> Joseph Stiglitz: The Economic Foundations of Intellectual Property | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:16] <schestowitz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBmzjZ_hTQo | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:16] <zoobab> I fighted to get patent troll in the title, but I work with stubborn people that do not accept changes | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:17] <schestowitz> :-D | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:17] <zoobab> http://tinyogg.com/watch/xOCtk/ | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:17] <schestowitz> market-removal trolls | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:17] <zoobab> next bomb is to insert some ACTA request in some parl report | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:18] <zoobab> ACTA access to documents by the parliament at the ECJ | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:18] <zoobab> under artxx of the Lisbon treaty | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:18] <zoobab> keep this confidential | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:18] <zoobab> it will be fun to see Hollywood lobbying against that | Jan 12 12:38 |
| schestowitz | [12:18] <schestowitz> z:-) | Jan 12 12:38 |
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| trmanco | http://www.phpcompiler.org/doc/latest/runningphc.html#compiling-executables | Jan 12 20:27 |
| schestowitz | What about it? | Jan 12 22:20 |
| trmanco | some experiment for phirce | Jan 12 22:21 |
| trmanco | it should make it even faster | Jan 12 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Jan 12 22:33 |
| schestowitz | But it's light | Jan 12 22:33 |
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| trmanco | I know, but an even more lighter piece of software is even better :-P | Jan 12 22:50 |
| trmanco | I also found this -> http://www.dcc.uchile.cl/~xnoguer/peardoc2/pecl.bcompiler.html | Jan 12 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Jaron is a real dinosaur... http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/science/12tier.html | Jan 13 00:01 |
| trmanco | [01:41] * charles still marvels at xz's efficiency | Jan 13 01:59 |
| trmanco | [01:42] <charles> $ ls -s1 | Jan 13 01:59 |
| trmanco | [01:42] <charles> total 12204 | Jan 13 01:59 |
| trmanco | [01:42] <charles> 4164 transmission-1.80b5.tar.bz2 | Jan 13 01:59 |
| trmanco | [01:42] <charles> 5716 transmission-1.80b5.tar.gz | Jan 13 01:59 |
| trmanco | [01:42] <charles> 2324 transmission-1.80b5.tar.xz | Jan 13 01:59 |
| MinceR | what's xz? | Jan 13 02:00 |
| trmanco | compression algorithm | Jan 13 02:01 |
| trmanco | never heard of it? | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | The following packages will be REMOVED: | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | lzma | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | The following NEW packages will be installed: | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | xz-utils | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | lzma (due to dpkg) | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | Need to get 173kB of archives. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | After this operation, 233kB of additional disk space will be used. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | You are about to do something potentially harmful. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | ?] | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jan 13 02:02 |
| trmanco | still in beeta | Jan 13 02:03 |
| MinceR | i've heard of lzma, but not xz | Jan 13 02:03 |
| trmanco | http://tukaani.org/xz/ | Jan 13 02:03 |
| MinceR | but the above log seems to mean that they're the same thing | Jan 13 02:03 |
| trmanco | I barely know a thing in the compression field | Jan 13 02:04 |
| MinceR | hm, improved lzma | Jan 13 02:04 |
| trmanco | lzma is 7zip? :O | Jan 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | 7zip uses lzma, too, afaik | Jan 13 02:07 |
| MinceR | i'm no compression expert either | Jan 13 02:07 |
| trmanco | see, I don't know a thing about this stuff | Jan 13 02:07 |
| MinceR | my knowledge ends near 'what the difference between lz and huffman coding is' | Jan 13 02:07 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 13 02:09 |
| trmanco | I'll wait for a stable version | Jan 13 02:10 |
| trmanco | the one that I have has some corruption bug in the .xz container compression code | Jan 13 02:11 |
| trmanco | I'll use 7z instead | Jan 13 02:11 |
| trmanco | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=lzmautils-announce | Jan 13 02:12 |
| trmanco | it as once called lmza utils | Jan 13 02:12 |
| MinceR | ah, so it was renamed | Jan 13 02:13 |
| trmanco | it seems so | Jan 13 02:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2010/01/11/sage-bionetworks-strikes-deal-with-pfizer-to-find-cancer-drug-targets/ | Jan 13 02:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bobhobbs.com/files/kr_lovecraft.html | Jan 13 02:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/audis-electric-car-gets-even-hotter/ | Jan 13 02:21 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> $ ls --block-size=1 -s1 | sort -r -n | Jan 13 02:28 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> 30527488 transmission-1.80b5.tar | Jan 13 02:28 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> 5853184 transmission-1.80b5.tar.gz | Jan 13 02:28 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> 4263936 transmission-1.80b5.tar.bz2 | Jan 13 02:28 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> 2617344 transmission-1.80b5.tar.7z | Jan 13 02:28 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> 2383872 transmission-1.80b5.tar.lzma | Jan 13 02:29 |
| trmanco | [02:20] <charles> 2379776 transmission-1.80b5.tar.xz | Jan 13 02:29 |
| trmanco | [02:21] <charles> that's with -9 --extreme --best etc used on all apps | Jan 13 02:29 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jan 13 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | BTW: I've just gotten the OK for my PhD. So I guess I'm Dr. Roy... | Jan 13 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > I've been hearing occasionally from former students and the situation is | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > that there is a public marketing of FOSS, but in the classroom it is a | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > steady litany of Microsoft this and Microsoft-that. Any questions, | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > comments or other discussion that anything else exists is politely, | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > quietely, but firmly and explicitly squelched. | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > I guess that one bit of good news is that one of the teachers has | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > started encouraging Android, but since that comes at the expense of | Jan 13 15:39 |
| schestowitz | > Maemo, I'm not sure it is a gain. | Jan 13 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Maemo -- like Android -- is too DRMy to my taste (Nokia/Google control through other means like stores). I told Linus about it, but he's dismissive. If I could enter his mind, I'd say, "Linux is a proprietary tool for big corporations and GPL gives me many developers." | Jan 13 15:41 |
| trmanco | oh shit :/ | Jan 13 16:10 |
| trmanco | http://avherald.com/h?article=42431c73&opt=1024 | Jan 13 16:10 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 13 16:10 |
| trmanco | stupid maintenance guys :/ | Jan 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm begun looking for the big jobs. Copy of my letter below. | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiglitz | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | === | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | My name is Roy Schestowitz and I am finishing my Ph.D. at Manchester | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | University, under the Supervision of Professor Chris Taylor OBE. As a | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | follower of Professor Stiglitz, I wish to find out if you have postdoc | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | positions I can apply for. | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: stop looking at these? | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Are you monarchistic? :-) | Jan 13 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > Man O' Manchester! That's fantastic news! Anita and I are so happy for you. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > I am sure it took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to finally get your | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > doctorate. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > Now you can walk the walk, head high, chest out...look at me world; I am | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > ready. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > I hesitate to ask what your next goal is, but that doesn't matter right now. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > Just celebrate a marvelous academic achievement and give yourself a pat on the back. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 13 18:35 |
| schestowitz | > Enjoy this milestone point in your young life. I am sure you will always remember what happened in the month of January 2010. | Jan 13 18:35 |
| trmanco | I'm just curious | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Don't bw | Jan 13 18:39 |
| schestowitz | *be | Jan 13 18:39 |
| trmanco | and no, I'm not a monarchistic | Jan 13 18:39 |
| trmanco | I mean | Jan 13 18:40 |
| trmanco | I'm no monarchist | Jan 13 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm partly joking | Jan 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | But you won't crash | Jan 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | So you waste your time studying this | Jan 13 18:49 |
| trmanco | I'm an aviation enthusiast | Jan 13 18:50 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jan 13 18:50 |
| trmanco | I just like to know all the little things | Jan 13 18:50 |
| trmanco | I can even show you my flight, it's parked in montreal at the moment | Jan 13 18:51 |
| trmanco | it hasn't been used since 23rd of december | Jan 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | tessier is a pilot | Jan 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Ask his questions | Jan 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | *him | Jan 13 18:59 |
| trmanco | he is? hmm | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | My cousin: | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > I know you are a renaissance type of guy with expert knowledge in many | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > areas, but I thought your thesis and your main field was biomedical | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > engineering. | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > So...where does good old economist Joe Stiglitz fit in and why are you | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | > pointing to him in your note seeking job openings? | Jan 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | My background is very mixed. Look at my many writings online, as well (~10,000 posts, ~100,000 references accumulated). | Jan 13 19:01 |
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| trmanco | is it "you and I" or "You and me"? | Jan 14 00:06 |
| schestowitz | you an I | Jan 14 00:07 |
| trmanco | thanks | Jan 14 00:07 |
| trmanco | :> | Jan 14 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Both possible | Jan 14 00:07 |
| trmanco | you and I sounds better | Jan 14 00:08 |
| trmanco | even though I wrote at first "you and me" | Jan 14 00:08 |
| schestowitz | yes, matter of how it sounds | Jan 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | you and i | Jan 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | you and me | Jan 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Me and you | Jan 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Not "I and you" | Jan 14 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I after "you" is better | Jan 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Matter of manners | Jan 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I learned this at school | Jan 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | always putting self last in list of people | Jan 14 00:10 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 14 00:33 |
| schestowitz | > his latest angry screed against Brandon Lozza on BBN is a perfect | Jan 14 01:10 |
| schestowitz | > example also. | Jan 14 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I am not in a position to talk for "Nath", but I too suffered personally (intensely at times) due to abuse from that man who runs a sex shop while serving on GNOME's Board. I do not pay attention to him and I ignore him as a matter of principle, but he is like a pathological leech that never sleeps. Avoid, avoid, avoid. But he'll still abuse, intimidate, blackmail, etc. | Jan 14 01:10 |
| schestowitz | In the UK at least, stalking is a crime. | Jan 14 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | > Sorry I didn't write this yesterday as planned. | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > I'm still skeptical about this cockroach: | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/14/ubuntu-cold-turkey/ | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > Given that so much of Ubuntu is now given over to promoting M$ C# / .NET | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > in Lucid Lynx and that flagship software like Gimp is being removed to | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > make room for it and services like Ubuntu One are promoting it further | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > and nearly tied to it, I suspect he's throwing this review so as to fawn | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > over f-sprog and all the other M$ applications in Lucid. | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > Leopards don't change their spots. If he was working for MS as an | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > "intern", read marketeer, then he's not likely to be ever reliable. | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > So far, he's made no break with M$ except with a few words. | Jan 14 15:15 |
| schestowitz | > Talk is cheap. | Jan 14 15:15 |
| cubezzz | a "soft supporter" | Jan 14 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > Ok sorry a second time. I did not read through to the end. He's simply | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > following the M$ party line: | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > "He ranks Ubuntu much higher than Mac OS X from the | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > Hype Company (but not Vista 7). " | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > aka old M$ version not so good, new version best of all distros | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 14 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > The guy is a shill. Look for the .NET diarrhea from him soon. | Jan 14 15:17 |
| cubezzz | no thanks :) | Jan 14 15:18 |
| cubezzz | there are Microsoft guys who use Linux | Jan 14 15:19 |
| cubezzz | I imagine they are pretty low-key about it though | Jan 14 15:19 |
| MinceR | just like about firefox | Jan 14 16:28 |
| MinceR | iirc there was a m$ guy who was outed as secretly using firefox, not ie | Jan 14 16:29 |
| schestowitz | many | Jan 14 16:34 |
| schestowitz | gates too | Jan 14 16:34 |
| schestowitz | once | Jan 14 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/7724335731 | Jan 14 20:30 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/7747719300 | Jan 14 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Notice he attacks the messenger but never addresses the argument at all | Jan 14 20:31 |
| trmanco | I know nitrofurano from somewhere | Jan 14 20:34 |
| trmanco | what the heck is this suppose to mean? "yup, that guy. We him boycotboy" | Jan 14 20:34 |
| schestowitz | see feeds for context | Jan 14 21:03 |
| schestowitz | miguel fights bn links | Jan 14 21:03 |
| trmanco | even that with context makes no sense | Jan 14 21:21 |
| trmanco | when I move to canada | Jan 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | See where he shows "mono for breakfast" | Jan 14 22:23 |
| trmanco | I might go to kde talks and stuff like that in toronto, london, etc :D | Jan 14 22:23 |
| *trmanco reads | Jan 14 22:24 | |
| trmanco | LOL@ mono flakes | Jan 14 22:24 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Jan 16 04:15 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jan 16 04:15 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Jan 16 04:15 | |
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| schestowitz | [02:11] <FurnaceBoy> holy crap, americans are different. it's like breating carbon monoxide , talking to them | Jan 17 02:12 |
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| schestowitz | > Hey, Dr. Royster! Congratulations! That's a great accomplishment. I've always said that a degree has less to do with learning than it does with persistence and patience and determination to see it through. No small task. | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > I do remember the Monsanto lady, and I hope her law suit brings some attention to the issue. Sometimes the arrogance of big corporations is beyond belief. | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > I've been neck-deep in Comes transcripts. I probably should have looked them over before I claimed them to transcribe...but no, I just picked a bunch and claimed them. _Some_ of the ones I've committed to doing are | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > more than 20 pages long. Too much Microsoft dialogue can melt a | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > person's brain cells...causing them to scream in anguish. (ok, that's a | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > little over dramatic, but not far from the truth). | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Comes scares me. It's like a math problem I no longer want to immerse self in.... | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I haven't checked into BN's IRC for a while, but do skim through | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > the logs every evening. I noticed you mentioned something about a Kroes | Jan 17 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > video, and maybe wanting it transcribed. | Jan 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | I watched and it's not so interesting. No text needed, IMHO. | Jan 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | > Is anyone else doing it already? If not, I'll do it. But it might take me a few days, if that's okay. | Jan 17 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Let's wait. | Jan 17 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | >> Hi, Roy, | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> This link is dead: | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> http://techp.org/p/7 | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> it's from | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/19/perens-for-osi-board/ | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> It'd be really great if it was online somewhere other than the Internet | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | >> >> Archive. | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > > | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | > > Ask Bruce to bring the site back. | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I've nagged him about that twice. It's up for a while than down again. | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to have the letter mirrored at Boycottnovell, Groklaw or | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Ibiblio, or all three. | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I see now why the attacks are focused on RMS. His writings are still | Jan 17 14:42 |
| schestowitz | public. | Jan 17 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Richard Stallman: | Jan 17 17:10 |
| schestowitz | > I worry too. I try to promote free software candidates in GNOME | Jan 17 17:10 |
| schestowitz | > elections. | Jan 17 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Don't pass around though | Jan 17 17:11 |
| trmanco | Wednesday is my day :-P | Jan 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | 'Your'.... | Jan 17 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Be sure to come back to BN ASAP and say you're oK | Jan 17 18:40 |
| trmanco | I'll try :-) | Jan 17 18:42 |
| trmanco | I'll arrive by 18:05 | Jan 17 18:42 |
| trmanco | it will take me about 1 hour to get to my new home | Jan 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Cool!! | Jan 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | SOunds fun | Jan 17 18:45 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aqabg/code_used_in_google_attack_now_public/ | Jan 17 18:47 |
| trmanco | :-) | Jan 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | IE stuff | Jan 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't give a dman | Jan 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Quattrone denied accusations of "spinning," and regulators dropped the charges against him in 2006." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704381604575005324219222924.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Jan 17 21:47 |
| schestowitz | On Feb. 10, 2000, Mr. Bushley emailed Mr. Grunwald to say he had cut off one account, Maxim Financial. "Basically, I told him that he was very far behind on his commissions and that we expect a 65% return on all the money that we make him. I said that he still owes us for the [VA Linux] deal not to mention the deals that have come since then." Maxim would be "cut off" from future IPOs, Mr. Bushley concluded. | Jan 17 21:47 |
| schestowitz | http://it-chuiko.com/internet/2129-ted-tso-moves-to-google.html | Jan 17 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't like him | Jan 17 21:57 |
| schestowitz | He upset Debian too | Jan 17 21:57 |
| schestowitz | anti Freedom | Jan 17 21:57 |
| MinceR | you don't like t'so, the filesystem wizard? :> | Jan 17 21:57 |
| MinceR | or ts'o or whatever | Jan 17 21:57 |
| MinceR | he brought the "it doesn't matter whether it actually manages to store your data, it just needs to be fast!" design philosophy to linux filesystem design | Jan 17 21:58 |
| schestowitz | t;so WHAT? | Jan 17 22:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 17 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.realnetneutrality.org/ | Jan 17 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html | Jan 17 22:07 |
| MinceR | how did lefty get the name Captain Dildo? | Jan 17 23:50 |
| schestowitz | He runs a sex shop | Jan 17 23:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.9to5mac.com/flash-javascript-iphone-gordon-63453645 | Jan 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz | iphone crack gets shown as FOSS in RSS feeds | Jan 18 00:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC06yA3EhKY&NR=1 | Jan 18 01:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7Yh78h4dg&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Jan 18 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | [06:10] <symbolset> ping | Jan 18 09:30 |
| schestowitz | [06:12] <symbolset> If you're going to reference my handle, please cite me. I like your stuff, but leaving a dangling reference like that is not acceptable. | Jan 18 09:30 |
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| fewa | http://agr.wa.gov/Foodanimal/Organic/Certificate/2008/NewsRelease/BadgleyResearchPaper.pdf | Jan 18 10:33 |
| fewa | wierd thats posted on washington state government | Jan 18 10:33 |
| schestowitz | who is symbolset????/ | Jan 18 10:37 |
| fewa | context? | Jan 18 10:37 |
| schestowitz | I've no idea who it is and what it's about... | Jan 18 10:37 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I would like to know context too | Jan 18 10:38 |
| fewa | context on what? | Jan 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I don't know | Jan 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz | That's the message I got | Jan 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Cryptic | Jan 18 10:38 |
| fewa | hmm, seems useless | Jan 18 10:38 |
| fewa | that paper doesn't address transportation | Jan 18 10:39 |
| fewa | of the food | Jan 18 10:39 |
| fewa | it assumes that food can assimilate itsself, similar to osmosis, from any place, to any other place on the planet | Jan 18 10:40 |
| fewa | http://energybulletin.net/51208 | Jan 18 10:42 |
| fewa | interesting | Jan 18 10:42 |
| fewa | any ideas of what to spend my money on? | Jan 18 10:47 |
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| trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton,_Ontario | Jan 18 17:33 |
| MinceR | ? | Jan 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz | His home | Jan 18 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Milhouse | Jan 18 17:38 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 18 17:38 |
| trmanco | Milhouse? | Jan 18 17:38 |
| trmanco | heh | Jan 18 17:38 |
| trmanco | yes, that's where I'm going to live for now | Jan 18 17:38 |
| MinceR | milhouse is not a meme :> | Jan 18 17:39 |
| trmanco | it's in the "middle" of Hamilton and Mississauga | Jan 18 17:39 |
| trmanco | they say ti's the fastest growing town in the GTA | Jan 18 17:41 |
| trmanco | it's* | Jan 18 17:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz | GTA.... haaaaa.... | Jan 18 17:44 |
| trmanco | not grand theft auto :/ | Jan 18 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Damn. | Jan 18 18:02 |
| trmanco | Greater Toronto Area | Jan 18 18:06 |
| trmanco | :D | Jan 18 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Greater Theft Auto..... sounds like a sequel | Jan 18 18:11 |
| schestowitz | The plot: a young gentleman comes from Portugal to reduce Toronto's population with a machine gun :-p | Jan 18 18:12 |
| trmanco | haha | Jan 18 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/3461 | Jan 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Mono under new pressure | Jan 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Jono saw GL's and BN's complaint today | Jan 18 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Richard Stallman | Jan 19 15:45 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks. That is a clear demonstration that Schlesinger is motivated | Jan 19 15:45 |
| schestowitz | > by ideology. | Jan 19 15:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/332896/venezuela_hugo_chavez_calls_playstation_games_poison?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Jan 19 15:49 |
| schestowitz | > *I am curious…have you considered Google on your list of potential | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > places to seek employment?* | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > * * | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > *It appears to me that they are extremely considerate of what makes | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > employees happy and offer a multitude of workplace benefits.* | Jan 19 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They pursued me twice. I prefer research/publishing | Jan 19 19:12 |
| trmanco | almost :D | Jan 19 19:58 |
| trmanco | can't wait | Jan 19 19:58 |
| trmanco | I'm not going to bed today | Jan 19 19:58 |
| trmanco | I won't sleep, so, why bother | Jan 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 19 19:59 |
| trmanco | I'll have to get up at 6 am, to become ready at 7, to drive myself to the bus station, and go to the airport :/ | Jan 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Sleep before takeoff | Jan 19 19:59 |
| trmanco | nah | Jan 19 19:59 |
| trmanco | I can't risk loosing my flight | Jan 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Order wine | Jan 19 20:00 |
| trmanco | I'll sleep in the plane :-P | Jan 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Noi | Jan 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | In plane before takeoff | Jan 19 20:00 |
| trmanco | read wine? | Jan 19 20:00 |
| trmanco | red* | Jan 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 19 20:00 |
| trmanco | no thanks | Jan 19 20:00 |
| trmanco | I don't like that stuff :-P | Jan 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | ok | Jan 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I'll phone you before you go.. | Jan 19 20:02 |
| trmanco | sure | Jan 19 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Call failed | Jan 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Can't reach you | Jan 19 23:42 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | WT*? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWaEYjP0_h8&NR=1 | Jan 20 01:00 |
| trmanco | my flight changed | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | ?? | Jan 20 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Plane? | Jan 20 01:28 |
| trmanco | yes | Jan 20 01:29 |
| trmanco | it's not TSC284 | Jan 20 01:29 |
| trmanco | now* | Jan 20 01:29 |
| trmanco | TSC285 is still parked in montreal | Jan 20 01:29 |
| trmanco | http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TSC284 | Jan 20 01:30 |
| trmanco | http://www.gtaa.com/en/travellers/search_results/?query=Air+Transat&submitting=true&info=departures&submit.x=37&submit.y=5 | Jan 20 01:30 |
| trmanco | see there | Jan 20 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Who cares.. :-p | Jan 20 01:30 |
| trmanco | heh | Jan 20 01:33 |
| trmanco | I do :-P | Jan 20 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Same time | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Better plane maybe | Jan 20 01:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/63700444-050d-11df-aa2c-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1 | Jan 20 01:35 |
| trmanco | you need to register, grrr | Jan 20 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Take it easy | Jan 20 01:53 |
| trmanco | loool | Jan 20 02:03 |
| trmanco | is it worth is? registering... | Jan 20 02:03 |
| trmanco | I wonder is my external hard drive will crap out if I bring it with me through the metal detector? | Jan 20 02:14 |
| MinceR | it will almost certainly set it off :) | Jan 20 02:14 |
| MinceR | (so i'm not sure if there's a point) | Jan 20 02:15 |
| trmanco | I know, but will it crap out? | Jan 20 02:16 |
| trmanco | loose data or stuff? | Jan 20 02:16 |
| trmanco | or if it goes through that x-ray thing, will it loose it's data or something? | Jan 20 02:16 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Jan 20 02:18 |
| trmanco | I'll ask somewhere else | Jan 20 02:19 |
| schestowitz | say bye to Rachelle | Jan 20 02:24 |
| trmanco | I did | Jan 20 02:48 |
| trmanco | and now I found another cool girl | Jan 20 02:48 |
| trmanco | from Azores :/ | Jan 20 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Jan 20 03:15 |
| trmanco | btw, it's spelled Raquel :-P | Jan 20 03:16 |
| schestowitz | I was approximating | Jan 20 03:18 |
| schestowitz | She was too young anyway | Jan 20 03:18 |
| trmanco | a little yes | Jan 20 03:19 |
| trmanco | this one from azores is 17 so, a bit better I guess in mentality | Jan 20 03:19 |
| trmanco | see you guys in Canada | Jan 20 06:40 |
| trmanco | :D | Jan 20 06:41 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco must be excited now... | Jan 20 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Heh,. | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > I just started to receive messages from Word Press, advising of new users | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > > registering. | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > > | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > > When and how did that feature pop up? Should I send them a "welcome" note? | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It's spammers | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > Novell-Only, OS Limitiations, The Killswitch, Overlapping Promises, | Jan 21 19:02 |
| schestowitz | > Novell-Only, Novell-Only, Platform Limited, GPL-Hostile, Expiration | Jan 21 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > Date ... | Jan 21 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.the-source.com/2009/12/10-problems-with-the-new-moonlight-covenant/ | Jan 21 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jan 21 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > I'm using gedit to do the Comes exhibits, so everything is plain text | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > with basic html tags added. In some of the exhibits there are | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > footnotes. In the original docs, the footnotes are shown using tiny | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > numbers. I don't know how to do that in plain text...so, is there a | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > standard alternative way to denote footnote numbers? Would using (1 be | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > an acceptable way to write it? | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > I know, this probably sounds like a really dorky question, but I hate to | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > bother Pj with it, and you already know I'm dorky...so I hoped you might | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > not mind my asking. Translated to English it stated: | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > I found someone that's doing transcripts too, and they knew what I | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > needed. Got it handled. yaay! | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > So, I'm back to work now. | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > : D | Jan 21 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Ouch. | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > Good afternoon Roy. | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > My name is Mark Fink and I live in Charlotte NC with my wife and our daughter. I apologize in advance for even having to ask this but would it be possible to amend or add a clarifier to an article that you wrote last summer? Please? | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > It seems that I share a name with someone that upset you a great deal and while I do not wish to become involved with the details, the result seems to have possible ramification for me in my current job search. | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > I am a data analyst during the day and on the weekends I sing with a group on stages and in churches all up and down the east coast. I am currently out of work (thanks to the financial meltdown) and if a prospective hiring manager were to do a simple Google search on my name your article (link below) is the first to be referenced. | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > If you can not make any adjustments or note that the individual referenced in your article is not the same as the guy in Charlotte NC, I will understand, but I felt it was important since someone asked me just today if I had anything to do with Novel or a group called Boycott Novell. Guess I need to Google myself these days. | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > btw: I'm the guy shown on the website - www.markfink.com <http://www.markfink.com> | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, thanks for your consideration. | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Jan 21 21:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 22 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > You guys will be happy to know that we are now up to four San Francisco | Jan 22 03:35 |
| schestowitz | > Bay Area schools with Linux, and will soon have a fifth. | Jan 22 03:35 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 22 03:36 |
| schestowitz | Linux is slowly winning, thanks in part to these folks I talk to. | Jan 22 03:36 |
| schestowitz | > Sad thing is, I'm not sure what sort of clarification or addition would be both reasonable and effective. | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > Hopefully the fact that I don't have any knowledge or experience around much of anything referenced in the article will be enough for any manager that might Google my name. Sadly, while I was asked about this yesterday, I have | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > never been asked if I am the same Mark Fink that earned some respect in Hollywood as a writer. | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > Please don't be sorry. It looks like your response was both measured and appropriate for the situation. I just happen to have the bad luck of sharing a rather unique combination of letters as my name with someone who seems unable to carry on a rational and measured discussion. | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for the reply. | Jan 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Tell them it's a common name; it is. There is tons more staff on the net about that other "Fink" guy. | Jan 22 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Quote: | Jan 24 12:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 24 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Heads up | Jan 24 12:42 |
| schestowitz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8712346 | Jan 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I fell for a troll, there seem to be more professional ones these | Jan 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | days, but the topic does have to be forced before the CDs are sent to | Jan 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | the factory for pressing. | Jan 24 12:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 24 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | Guardian has contacted me... | Jan 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>> | Jan 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Three points: | Jan 25 00:36 |
| schestowitz | -if you think, seriously, that we're taking money for podcast content, then have the balls to ask us rather than repeating a pathetic claim and hiding behind "XX says YY - claim" when you can find out the truth behind "claim" so easily. | Jan 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | We have email addresses all over the place and you can comment on the podcast itself. The answer, since you ask, is no, we accept no money or inducements for inclusion on podcasts, and I consider the questions in the interview with Microsoft to have been fair but probing - pointing out its failures in mobile and hardware and search, for example. | Jan 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | -you could try making it easier for people to comment on your blog. That would help to correct some of the nonsense on there too. | Jan 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | -style point: if you're going to do a transcript, just do a transcript. Don't hyperlink it, because that carries the implication that whoever spoke is somehow lying. Especially the way you're using hyperlinks. Sure, put in links to relevant articles but make it clear those aren't in the transcript. | Jan 25 00:37 |
| schestowitz | <<< | Jan 25 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > I wanted to know if you might be interested in reviewing a new piece of | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > web-based software that utilizes a drag-and-drop interface to help job | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > seekers easily create an online resume. | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > The service is called BriteTab.com and it uses BriteTab's very own | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > software called Impression Lab. Impression Lab is designed to be | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > easy-to-use and help users integrate pictures, videos and text into | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > their resume in a matter of minutes. | Jan 26 18:57 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz | > I have appended our press release with some information about the | Jan 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz | > product below. | Jan 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz | > Would you be interested in taking a look at BriteTab.com for a software | Jan 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz | > review? | Jan 26 18:58 |
| MinceR | deja vu | Jan 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm just ignoring it..... | Jan 26 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | > hi, | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > I am quite happy right now. :-) We have today expanded Linux to a | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > fifth school, the International Studies Academy | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > http://portal.sfusd.edu/template/?page=hs.isa | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 27 06:00 |
| schestowitz | > I have installed Ubuntu Jaunty on 3 machines here today, and there is a | Jan 27 06:01 |
| schestowitz | > decent chance that one of the teachers will install it on another | Jan 27 06:01 |
| schestowitz | > teacher's mission-critical machine on Friday. | Jan 27 06:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 27 06:01 |
| schestowitz | > We are on a roll! | Jan 27 06:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 27 06:01 |
| schestowitz | > No kidding, it's official. | Jan 27 06:01 |
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| schestowitz | > "We have a big backlog of posts that will hopefully add to evidence as | Jan 27 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > noted above. A journey to London next week (for filming of a | Jan 27 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > documentary for national television) requires a lot of preparation" | Jan 27 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 27 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > What documentary, who is making it, who is in it, on what subject ? | Jan 27 11:20 |
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| schestowitz | Weird..... | Jan 27 19:43 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <ianto> As the only operator online where if any are the rules of the channel #boycottnovell | Jan 27 19:43 |
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| oiaohm | Ok No one around who knows why the server seams to be playing up to me. | Jan 28 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Is this solved now? | Jan 28 11:14 |
| schestowitz | I got E-mail about it | Jan 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Seems to work OK now, don't know what happened earlier | Jan 28 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | "But Microsoft said the division that makes Office software and other | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | business programs, the company's other cash cow, saw revenue slip 3 | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | percent, while revenue from its typically fast-growing server software | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | group edged up just 2 percent. | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | "PC shipments bounced back during the holiday shopping season after one of | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | its roughest years to date, but analysts attributed nearly all the gains | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | to consumers drawn to inexpensive laptops and their smaller, less powerful | Jan 29 04:46 |
| schestowitz | cousin, the netbook." | Jan 29 04:46 |
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| schestowitz | > Looking at the once great BBC: | Jan 29 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 29 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8485694.stm | Jan 29 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 29 17:06 |
| schestowitz | > Finland also had a secret agreement, or at least one of the politicians | Jan 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > did, in violation of the Finnish constitution. Maybe Bliar is just | Jan 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > arguing sematics about 'agreement' or 'secret'. | Jan 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > The whistleblower got dismissed from her government post and hung out to | Jan 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > dry by the media and the crook, while found guilty, walked away and | Jan 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz | > continues in politics. Paavo Lipponen is one of the names. | Jan 29 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | I realise there's less than a day left before I take the train to London. I need to reach the filming venue by 3PM tomorrow... :-) | Jan 31 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | [14:36] <pawel_121> Hi | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:36] <pawel_121> do you know something about Larry Ellison? | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <pawel_121> and what's the part about SAP? I found this: http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2006/October_2006_3/msg00180.html | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:38] <pawel_121> I always wondered why there are mainly windows and solaris papers at sap site | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:39] <pawel_121> this Ellison spreads some FUD: | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:39] <pawel_121> http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php/3861376/Whats-the-Future-of-Linux-and-Solaris-at-Oracle.htm?comment=26363-0 | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:39] <schestowitz> Ah | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:39] <schestowitz> Let me see | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:40] <pawel_121> ""We think it will be a long time before Linux ever catches up," Ellison said. "But again we will have Linux -- I'm a Linux fan and if you want Linux we have the best Linux in the world. If you want UNIX, we have the best UNIX in the world. And again, they are different and I don't think the high end is in trouble at all."" | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:40] <schestowitz> He loves what makes money | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:40] <schestowitz> Linux works | Jan 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:40] <schestowitz> Linux works | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:41] <schestowitz> You can't sell it though | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:41] <pawel_121> yes | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:41] <schestowitz> Oracle sells software | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:41] <schestowitz> It's not Apple | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:48] <pawel_121> sap isn't FLOSS friendly right? | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <schestowitz> hell no! | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <schestowitz> pro-swpat in eu | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <schestowitz> anti anti atni | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <schestowitz> Microsoft ally since months ago | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <schestowitz> almost merged w/ them | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <schestowitz> sap is ms-europe | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <pawel_121> good to know :) | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | [14:52] <pawel_121> thanks | Jan 31 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Someone is sending me Microsoft cartoons....... | Jan 31 16:06 |
| schestowitz | "Quick question. Which images -- if any -- can be used without infringement (you sent me many)? I am not a cartoonist." | Jan 31 16:06 |
| schestowitz | > Who is this troll? Some young moron, or someting worse? | Jan 31 19:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 19:49 |
| schestowitz | > www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/3ubuntu.jpg | Jan 31 19:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 19:49 |
| schestowitz | > Google search of images for ubuntu have this on the front page two or three | Jan 31 19:49 |
| schestowitz | > times via Digg. When you go visit, you find various offensively named | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | > things, a redirect to "bethesignal.org" and an article about trolling in news | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | > as a profit maker. I'd rather ignore this one but I wondered what you might | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | > know about it. | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Jeff Waugh... putting that Up!! | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | > FSDaily points to an interview with a Microsoft CodePlex board member | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | > about why he is attacking the GPL and Oracle: | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/The_Fight_to_Save_MySQL_Interview_with_Monty_Widenius | Jan 31 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I know. Bruce Byfield......... | Jan 31 19:50 |
| MinceR | is that offensive? :> | Jan 31 19:51 |
| schestowitz | To some. | Jan 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | the one who mailed me | Jan 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Misija_-_Hrvatski | Jan 31 20:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <FurnaceBoy> can do a .ca mirror anytime you need, don't forget | Jan 31 20:50 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <schestowitz> Thanks! | Jan 31 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Good news: | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <FurnaceBoy> no problem. | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <FurnaceBoy> i have the colo machine, it's under-utilised. | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <FurnaceBoy> it's also with prioritycolo.com, who ignore DMCA bullshit | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <FurnaceBoy> unfortunately i can't legally register a .ca domain on your behalf | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <FurnaceBoy> i checked this out this week for somebody else | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:58] <schestowitz> Oh, I see... | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> In case something goes wrong with our current host, I'm so relieved to have a fellow activist offer support! | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <FurnaceBoy> well, 'legally' as in it would flagrantly violate the registar rules | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: i am happy to set something up pre-emptively, just not sure how ppl would find the mirror if the main site went down. | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> SOme of the trolls tried to send registrars against me | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> To take down the siye | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> *site | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <schestowitz> Because I didn't keep address and phone # up to date | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <FurnaceBoy> ideally the site would run parallel, e.g. <OTHERNAME>.boycottnovell.com | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <FurnaceBoy> google would index it in parallel | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <schestowitz> Let's sort it out next week | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <FurnaceBoy> sure mate! | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <schestowitz> I need to prepare for the filming | Jan 31 21:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <FurnaceBoy> good luck. chat later | Jan 31 21:01 |
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