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| schestowitz | Iranian protesters clash with security forces during Neda Soltan memorial http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/30/iran-protesters-clash-neda-soltan | Aug 01 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | I heard the theory that they just used her for propaganda | Aug 01 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | We need this one because the last one I sent you already has the full text out there: http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/halloween/PX08175.pdf Coming soon.. I got the txt | Aug 01 19:27 |
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| trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0IcIxhd8ks | Aug 01 23:11 |
| trmanco | what a bunch of stupid idiots | Aug 01 23:12 |
| trmanco | ... | Aug 01 23:12 |
| schestowitz | "lol American cars deserves to be destroyed." | Aug 01 23:19 |
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| trmanco | not like that | Aug 01 23:28 |
| trmanco | I wonder how they would feel if they were drowned in oil | Aug 01 23:29 |
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| trmanco | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/31/more-countries-move-to-odf/ | Aug 02 00:23 |
| trmanco | hey cool | Aug 02 00:23 |
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| trmanco | Homer is sure pulling every string from lefty | Aug 02 11:28 |
| schestowitz | I noticed. I didn't even know he was following this. The attacks on RMS must have gotten his attention. | Aug 02 11:29 |
| schestowitz | This poser has only an undergrad degree in THEATRE. | Aug 02 11:32 |
| fewa | schestowitz, relicence wiki under CC-BY-SA-30 now | Aug 02 11:55 |
| fewa | NOW | Aug 02 12:20 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 2 23:35:42 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Aug 02 23:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 02 23:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 02 23:35 | |
| *#boycottnovell-social :[freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Aug 02 23:35 | |
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| trmanco | https://twitter.com/cenourinha/statuses/3102284072 | Aug 03 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Little | Aug 03 13:24 |
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| tacone | mioddio | Aug 03 13:24 |
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| tacone | interesting. | Aug 03 13:24 |
| tacone | i'm getting sick of jo. | Aug 03 13:25 |
| schestowitz | it's an insult to us | Aug 03 13:25 |
| schestowitz | "Waaaaaaa! Why don't you advertise it?? Waaaaaa!" | Aug 03 13:25 |
| tacone | bah | Aug 03 13:26 |
| tacone | he didn't post about it either. | Aug 03 13:27 |
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| tacone | that just means that when he'll make the big claim 'nobody cares about mono apps' he'll get instantaneously rejected | Aug 03 13:27 |
| schestowitz | I prefer to ignore those folks | Aug 03 13:28 |
| schestowitz | They are venomous | Aug 03 13:28 |
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| oiaohm | Reallly its true no one cares about mono apps. | Aug 03 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Because if people truly did care they would have been forced long time ago to sort out legal status correctly. | Aug 03 13:29 |
| trmanco | maybe I should create a distro in susestudio called "BabyLinux" with all the mono stuff included | Aug 03 13:37 |
| trmanco | "BabyLinux, shall we type you're programs too?" | Aug 03 13:37 |
| trmanco | your* | Aug 03 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | Not quite baby | Aug 03 13:43 |
| schestowitz | More like an obese one | Aug 03 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Bloatnux | Aug 03 13:43 |
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| trmanco | will do | Aug 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm falling off freenode a lot toda | Aug 03 14:58 |
| schestowitz | If I miss anything in bn-social, paste it here. I have a second server on #bn | Aug 03 14:58 |
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| trmanco | hahaha | Aug 03 19:07 |
| trmanco | bloatnux boots | Aug 03 19:07 |
| trmanco | :-) | Aug 03 19:07 |
| trmanco | http://susestudio.com/download/95196928388e9f362638c9e37d1fe796/Bloatnux.i686-0.0.1.oem.tar.gz | Aug 03 19:16 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 03 19:16 |
| trmanco | I might of missed some packages though | Aug 03 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Aug 03 19:22 |
| schestowitz | What's in it? | Aug 03 19:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll put it in BN for a laugh | Aug 03 19:23 |
| trmanco | mono | Aug 03 19:23 |
| trmanco | and lots of it | Aug 03 19:23 |
| trmanco | don't say that it was me though | Aug 03 19:24 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 03 19:27 |
| trmanco | http://i29.tinypic.com/ea42lw.jpg | Aug 03 19:28 |
| trmanco | I did this for fun | Aug 03 19:28 |
| trmanco | not to create any problems | Aug 03 19:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 03 19:28 |
| trmanco | oh and btw | Aug 03 19:29 |
| trmanco | the download link won't last more than 15 days :| | Aug 03 19:30 |
| trmanco | it's 7 days actually | Aug 03 19:31 |
| trmanco | Builds older than seven days may be deleted to free up space on our servers. But don‘t worry, you can rebuild them at any time. | Aug 03 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I'll drop in your text | Aug 03 19:37 |
| trmanco | that's what susestudio says | Aug 03 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Jo did a distro without Mono | Aug 03 19:42 |
| schestowitz | We do the opposite | Aug 03 19:42 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 03 19:42 |
| schestowitz | And choose a funny name :-) | Aug 03 19:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I noticed you quoted | Aug 03 19:42 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks, Novell, for hosting our distribution." http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/03/bloatnux-download/ | Aug 03 19:46 |
| tacone | SueMe Linux ? | Aug 03 19:46 |
| tacone | altready taken uh ? | Aug 03 19:46 |
| trmanco | LOOOOL | Aug 03 19:46 |
| schestowitz | domain expired | Aug 03 19:46 |
| schestowitz | some spammer hijacked the domain last year | Aug 03 19:47 |
| schestowitz | was suemelinux.com iirc | Aug 03 19:47 |
| schestowitz | p;agerank 4 or 5 | Aug 03 19:47 |
| trmanco | I wonder what the hash on the link is in plain text :| | Aug 03 19:48 |
| trmanco | if it's my username, I'm doomed | Aug 03 19:49 |
| trmanco | the livecd is building | Aug 03 19:50 |
| trmanco | I forgot to say the the user:password is tux:linux | Aug 03 20:05 |
| trmanco | if anybody wants to login | Aug 03 20:06 |
| trmanco | ah | Aug 03 20:11 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, LiveCD built | Aug 03 20:12 |
| trmanco | http://susestudio.com/download/2ee6115382740733103e47a150c81b00/Bloatnux.i686-0.0.1.iso | Aug 03 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Why again? | Aug 03 20:14 |
| schestowitz | My stupid DNS server went bad again | Aug 03 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Back to opendns | Aug 03 20:16 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, the one I gave you is to put on a usb | Aug 03 20:17 |
| trmanco | it's what built faster | Aug 03 20:17 |
| trmanco | the livecd is a different thing | Aug 03 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | OK | Aug 03 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I'll swap URLs | Aug 03 20:20 |
| schestowitz | OK. | Aug 03 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Check to see if it's OK now | Aug 03 20:21 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 03 20:37 |
| trmanco | they look good now | Aug 03 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Aug 03 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/More_Countries_Move_to_ODF_But_What_About_Portugal | Aug 03 21:19 |
| schestowitz | FP | Aug 03 21:19 |
| trmanco | great | Aug 03 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft and its shillers taking over another university.... maybe... | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | QUOTE: | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Here's a funny. I was in a meeting today and some Windows guys were discussing Sharepoint. The boss asks "what are the disadvantages of Sharepoint?" One guy immediately says "It's not open source." but then goes on to say "You can use templates anywhere ..." as if that makes up for it not being open source. Another of them said that "It's Microsoft-only." | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | with all that implies in terms of not playing nice with others. Considering the source, that one was a good answer, but I almost laughed out loud at the first one. If I ever leave this place, I wonder if I'll ever find comedy as good as this. :) | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | At random, another story I heard today: | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Exchange Is MIT’s New Email System | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.mit.edu/V129/N29/webmail.html | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't know whether it's more surprising that a renowned technical school like MIT would go to Exchange as their mail system in the first place or that it took them so long to say "Me too" to go with all the other Ivy League schools that have already moved to Exchange. Truthfully, this is a disheartening trend. | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | We haven't yet moved to Exchange as "the e-mail system", but we already have occasional problems with mysteriously disappearing e-mail, odd IMAP server behaviour, incoming mail that may bounce unpredictably and lack of an audit trail for troubleshooting. The most disheartening things are the loss of commitment to open standards and the consequent discrimination in favour of proprietary software. | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | >> Many move the other way (away from Microsoft), esp. outside the US. | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, indeed. I could have asked a third question of the MIT move to Exchange: why make this move now when it's clear that Microsoft is losing momentum and many are moving to open source solutions instead? | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | MIT is not RMS and colleagues. It has MS moles like all academic institutions. I have a friend, an admin/prof from U of Michigan, he was in the same situation. | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | > This was also the context of the discussion on Sharepoint. We already have some open standards, non-Microsoft solutions in place for problems spaces such as Wiki, file sharing, personal Web pages and ticketing. Now, because there are a few projects which require Sharepoint, the boss is considering scrapping all of these other systems and moving to the Microsoft system (i.e. the one ring to bind them.) | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I suppose he thinks he would be saving money that way. In that case, it's even funnier that he didn't ask the usual questions about TCO first. | Aug 03 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Bring up Alfresco. | Aug 03 23:14 |
| schestowitz | > The truth of the matter is that our CIO just quit and the future is uncertain. It's an open question about whether he got pushed out, but his superiors clearly did prefer Exchange for e-mail. The former CIO generally did not like Microsoft and tried to keep them at an arms length away even though of course the vast majority of people use Windows as the client operating system. | Aug 03 23:14 |
| schestowitz | We have Exchange, but the former CIO was pressured into implementing it. I certainly hope that the new CIO, who is so far unknown, doesn't bring a "prefer Microsoft" or an "aggressively promote Microsoft" philosophy with her. My boss is probably trying to prepare himself for that eventuality. If so, then my responce will be to quit. | Aug 03 23:14 |
| schestowitz | The story is _so_ familiar to me (see above). Same happened in my department by the way. | Aug 03 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Third one... UK and US are owned by the shills | Aug 03 23:14 |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 03 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Must rely on developing nations and EU stopping the Microsoft shills from infiltrating everything | Aug 03 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | Another friend sent in some advice: | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | "Funny, the critique of MS imitation of the following did not mention any of the serious complaints: MS Sharepoint is expensive as hell, has a byzantine licensing scheme incurring per seat costs (CALs), is slow as hell, has lots of down time, runs only on a virus-susceptible OS, loses data, is hard to use, does not work with non-MS systems and only marginally better with MS systems. | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Here are the systems their dialog should have covered: | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | O3Spaces | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://o3spaces.org/ | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Lenya | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://lenya.apache.org/ | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | SugardCRM | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sugarforge.org/content/open-source/ | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Alfresco | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.alfresco.com/products/ | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Main pyrus | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mainpyrus.org/ | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Nuxeo | Aug 04 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nuxeo.com/en/ " | Aug 04 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | Linux for Poverty photos to come.......... | Aug 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks Roy...this was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen in my life....the article said it all, but man...I have never seen such a group of strangers come together and meld so quickly and efficiently as these folks did. | Aug 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Just one of those things where you had to be there...as trite as it sounds. Dude we had two guys there that make a combined salary of 2.1 million dollars a year and they were in 104 degree heat (F of course) loading computers onto a truck like day laborers. Amazing. | Aug 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Not to mention that I picked up some spectacular (and some ridiculously ancient) hardware. In the same donation of two perfectly working 3.4 gig hyperthreading HP's, we got an entire shoebox full of 125 meg hard drives...yeah...that's right...125 MEG. | Aug 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Pictures follow on the photoblog to be published soon." | Aug 04 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | bad news...... | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | === | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > > MS Sharepoint is expensive as hell, has a | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > > byzantine licensing scheme incurring per seat costs (CALs), is slow as | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > > hell, has lots of down time, runs only on a virus-susceptible OS, loses | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > > data, is hard to use, does not work with non-MS systems and only | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > > marginally better with MS systems. | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I did some asking around and found out that this project to deploy a big rollout of Sharepoint has been in the works for a long time. The decision has already been made and the only thing that is preventing it from happening is the current economic climate and commensurate lowered budget allotment for IT. This is the "expensive as hell" point above. Microsoft wants about half a million dollars for a full scale deployment. | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | > > Here are the systems their dialog should have covered: | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Indeed. What's so ironic is that we already have neutral 3rd party vendors for our file sharing and wiki services, we use straight Apache (with perhaps PHP and Tomcat) for personal home pages and most other Web sites and we are deploying Drupal as a portal for this fall. What are they thinking? To replace all of those perfectly good, open standards platforms with something that has many problems of its own just because a | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | few projects need it and it has that "magical" shiny Microsoft label? | Aug 04 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I think it may be time for me to be looking for other employment. I believe the slippery slope to this madness began when we agreed to entertain Exchange and then the decision was made to switch everyone to it. These decisions were imposed on us from above, which is how Microsoft typically infests enterprises. | Aug 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | This is yet another sign that higher education in the US is becoming more corporate (including an "intellectual property office" which licences patents from University-sponsored research.) It's not what I had in mind when I decided to work in this sector. | Aug 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | ==== | Aug 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | me: it was the same when some idiot from management decided to try Windows on clusters (HPC), which was a total fail BTW. The guy who ran it at the time quit angrily. | Aug 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I guess universities need to sack people just to pay Microsoft for utter rubbish | Aug 04 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Appalling | Aug 04 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Something has just smacked BN's server | Aug 05 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | Some in Portugal catch up, trmanco .. http://friendfeed.com/franciscocosta/35260841/more-countries-move-to-odf-but-what-about | Aug 05 19:14 |
| trmanco | it was also posted to a Portuguese foss mailing list | Aug 05 19:15 |
| trmanco | yesterday | Aug 05 19:15 |
| trmanco | nobody commented on bloatnux | Aug 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Nice... it links back to more information from ANSOL | Aug 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: need to register to comment | Aug 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | At least it's quieter. No flame wars | Aug 05 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I don't needs the eets of the world to spray the posts with vomit, one by one | Aug 05 19:17 |
| trmanco | heh, true | Aug 05 19:18 |
| schestowitz | ODF: Saturday's Lightning Sparks 17 Fires http://www.ktvl.com/articles/saturday-1191349-sparks-fires.html | Aug 05 19:19 |
| schestowitz | What's ODF? | Aug 05 19:19 |
| schestowitz | "On my way to ODF. Hope I get a job. :)" http://twitter.com/Lv4PacificOcean/statuses/3107204653 | Aug 05 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | BN now averages @ over 7k UIPs per day, so it keeps growing | Aug 06 02:17 |
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| MinceR | http://www.core77.com/blog/cartoons/default.asp | Aug 06 10:18 |
| schestowitz | SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH..... | Aug 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | IINY! | Aug 06 10:29 |
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| schestowitz | There’s No “I” in a Great System Administration Team http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7455/1.html | Aug 06 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmm....... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/5373/ doesn't work for me. Doesn't come up :0( | Aug 06 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Ah! Got it! | Aug 06 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | Idea brewing: | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon>Remember when I asked you about the word, Freedomware? I'm beginning to develop an idea for a possible charity. Would you be interested? | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> It would follow the FSF's philosophy directly. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> In watching his speeches, I realized that RMS does have his quirks which can do more harm than good. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> For example, he tends to interrupt people in the middle of them asking a question. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> I disagree with that tactic. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> There needs to be some diplomacy here. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> :) | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Yes | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> It wouldn't be a "fork" of FSF per se. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> He's rude | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> It's focus would involve assisting projects that would lead people closer to freedom. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> For example, the effort to reverse engineer nvidia graphics. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> The best way to assist such an effort is with funding and hardware. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> He dismisses questions he views as silly. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> Which violates the hacker ethic if memory serves correct. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> The whole point is to ask questions if you don't understand. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> :) | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Yes, I saw that | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> Pro ethics movement? | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> Good question. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| schestowitz | <anon> :) | Aug 06 17:38 |
| trmanco | http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Introducing_Bloatnux | Aug 06 17:45 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 06 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I've only just noticed | Aug 06 17:53 |
| fewa | interestlawl | Aug 06 18:11 |
| fewa | lawl | Aug 06 18:11 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 07 08:14 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 07 08:14 | |
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| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/620/ | Aug 07 15:18 |
| tacone | elaborate. | Aug 07 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: after september I might disappear for 2 weeks at a time. There is a nice contract coming up. | Aug 07 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Mutex has been conspicuously absent | Aug 07 15:47 |
| trmanco | maybe he was caught | Aug 07 15:52 |
| trmanco | or fired | Aug 07 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | oh oh | Aug 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Daemon.. | Aug 07 16:57 |
| MinceR | damn, he's back | Aug 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | No abuse so far. | Aug 07 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Just low s/n ratio | Aug 07 17:13 |
| MinceR | the abuse will happen eventually | Aug 07 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Have op | Aug 07 17:17 |
| MinceR | will travel? :> | Aug 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Only with a keyboard or skateboard | Aug 07 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | What's Hitcham doing ?!?!?!?!/!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!322@!#@# | Aug 07 21:56 |
| MinceR | making the idiotFC talk | Aug 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | And come back | Aug 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Guess who goes Gartner Gartner Gartner Gartner? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10305499-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Aug 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Second time this week, or third | Aug 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | <DaemonFC> yeah, but Vorbis will kill your battery | Aug 07 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Codecs.... | Aug 07 22:19 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 07 22:20 |
| MinceR | FUD | Aug 07 22:20 |
| trmanco | wtf | Aug 07 22:21 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/98gkc | Aug 07 22:21 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/98gkc/petition_to_ban_roy_from_spamming_rlinux_with_his/ | Aug 07 22:21 |
| trmanco | how can a codec kill you battery? | Aug 07 22:23 |
| MinceR | by loading the processors too much | Aug 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Or drm | Aug 07 22:23 |
| MinceR | (not really kill, more like drain it faster) | Aug 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | apple's junk | Aug 07 22:23 |
| trmanco | will it doesn't | Aug 07 22:24 |
| trmanco | well* | Aug 07 22:24 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, have you seen the reddit link | Aug 07 22:24 |
| trmanco | what a bunch of crying babies | Aug 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Nothing to do w/ me | Aug 07 22:28 |
| trmanco | I know | Aug 07 22:28 |
| trmanco | it's just some enemy of yours | Aug 07 22:28 |
| trmanco | his account is 26 days old | Aug 07 22:29 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/98gkc/petition_to_ban_roy_from_spamming_rlinux_with_his/c0bsgg7 | Aug 07 22:30 |
| trmanco | look at this | Aug 07 22:30 |
| trmanco | account for 7 hours | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Q: | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Should I post something to clarify I have nothing to do with this guy? | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I think it's better not to, as that would only give the trolls attention | Aug 07 22:31 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/98gkc/petition_to_ban_roy_from_spamming_rlinux_with_his/c0bsg66 | Aug 07 22:31 |
| trmanco | no | Aug 07 22:31 |
| trmanco | I would advise you to not do anything, even though I have less experience in this stuff than you :-P | Aug 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It's drainage of time | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | And I can't prevent livel | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | *libel | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | But, hey, entire attacks blogs were created just to smear BN | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I used to envy Groklaw for having such anti-GL blogs | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | ipwars for example | Aug 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I like this... | Aug 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | "It's always negative" | Aug 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | This not correct? | Aug 07 22:34 |
| trmanco | this should be frustrating | Aug 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | *thus not correct? | Aug 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: naa... I guess it only publicises | Aug 07 22:35 |
| trmanco | well, that's the good side | Aug 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | That's just me trying to think positively about lifeless pricks | Aug 07 22:35 |
| trmanco | people actually create an account just to troll | Aug 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | GoldSachs666... | Aug 07 22:35 |
| trmanco | bunch of 5 year old kids | Aug 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Many people knew nothing about them until they got sued | Aug 07 22:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: well, Gary...... | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | It's always the same gang. Also in Digg | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | You sooner or later see who's behind it | Aug 07 22:36 |
| trmanco | he is more like a robot | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Linsux, COLA trols, etc. In Digg and Slashdot also... same root of TEs | Aug 07 22:36 |
| trmanco | changing name then posting the same bs over and over again | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | They have time | Aug 07 22:36 |
| trmanco | ah linsux | Aug 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Probably compenated SOBs | Aug 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... | Aug 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Enough of that.. | Aug 07 22:37 |
| trmanco | maybe someday I can prepare a surprise for them :-P | Aug 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber has a good doc coming | Aug 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | See RMS | Aug 07 22:37 |
| schestowitz | They have tried to show him as a k00k for decades | Aug 07 22:38 |
| schestowitz | No success | Aug 07 22:38 |
| trmanco | http://www.pcworld.com/article/169750/bing_search_reveals_promicrosoft_results.html | Aug 07 22:38 |
| trmanco | sure he is a k00k | Aug 07 22:38 |
| trmanco | he created emacs | Aug 07 22:38 |
| trmanco | it's insane :-P | Aug 07 22:38 |
| trmanco | who would really think that a text editor can be used as an OS (almost) | Aug 07 22:39 |
| trmanco | :-P | Aug 07 22:39 |
| trmanco | http://www.pcworld.com/article/169750/bing_search_reveals_promicrosoft_results.html | Aug 07 22:40 |
| trmanco | I was joking on rms being a kook, I hope that this was not misunderstood | Aug 07 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Covered. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/06/microsoft-web-search-ie-fail/ | Aug 07 22:42 |
| trmanco | ah neat | Aug 07 22:42 |
| schestowitz | He is Aspergic [sic] | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | But not a crackpot. Got 1600 in his SATs! | Aug 07 22:43 |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 07 22:46 |
| trmanco | that's nearly 100% | Aug 07 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | <trmanco> that's nearly 100% | Aug 08 08:33 |
| schestowitz | It is. | Aug 08 08:33 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/jpostman/statuses/3191153022 | Aug 08 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | > It might be very useful to not just state that the OSP and MCP are crap, | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > but to re-iterate why they are crap. For example, that the protections | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > are not passed on to commercial developers: | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/08/microsoft-ooxml-and-apple-issue/ | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > However, all that, as many problems as the licensing causes, pale in | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > comparison to the technical problems that plague these products. OOXML | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > is just giant denial of service attack to take out the worlds XML | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > experts and standardization teams away from productive work. | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > OpenDocument format, DocBook, even HTML have all suffered from | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > Microsofter's games. | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > It's past time for Microsoft to be re-assessed and its members dealt | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | > with like those of any other harmful political movement. | Aug 08 19:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > aptain's log. We received a signal from - on StarDate | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > > 08/08/2009 07:01 PM. Translated to English it stated: | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > > LSE was quite a conspiracy of silence. | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The London Stock Exchange? Yes, primarily what was undoubtably the | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | intrigue leading up to the deployment of M$ products in the face of all | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | data to the contrary. | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | If you enjoyed the LSE, then look up the Danske Bank and its partners. | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The failure lasted months. I wrote to a journalist asking that the | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | cause of the failure be highlighted and after a week or two I got back a | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | short, distressed note paraphrasing the party line about IBM being the | Aug 08 21:02 |
| schestowitz | one "responsible for the network." | Aug 08 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | New nym of the troll, apparently: http://makomk.livejournal.com/108443.html?view=57243#t57243 | Aug 09 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | The word "Extermist" | Aug 09 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "econd, matching Microsoft’s moves towards interoperability would cast free software advocates and users in a better light. Thanks to the FSF’s childish campaigns (see the instructions) and the blatent FUD of unnamed anti-Novell sites, free software advocates are usually viewed as borderline insane extremists." | Aug 09 15:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxloop.com/2009/08/08/matching-microsoft-on-interoperability/ | Aug 09 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | :-s | Aug 10 12:35 |
| schestowitz | "Just wanted to check in. I haven't finished the PX04081 pdf, yet. The last few days have been a little challenging around here (chaos and madness might be more descriptive...lol). I've also not been feeling well, so I'm just taking it easy today. " | Aug 10 12:36 |
| schestowitz | "There's 3 files attached, a large version and a couple of small transparent ones (transparent .png, and .gif - I'm sending both because transparent .pngs don't always show correctly, or so people have told me...they've always worked for me though)" | Aug 10 12:37 |
| trmanco | transparent png's won't display in ie6 | Aug 10 12:39 |
| schestowitz | IE6. Meh | Aug 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC is slow. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8192773.stm Microsoft to sell advertising arm | Aug 10 12:56 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/10/ddos-is-a-virus/ | Aug 10 23:29 |
| trmanco | I you may noticed | Aug 10 23:29 |
| trmanco | the posterous entry has errors | Aug 10 23:30 |
| trmanco | I did not write that small piece of text | Aug 10 23:30 |
| trmanco | it was copied from some guys blog | Aug 10 23:30 |
| trmanco | ->Check out this website I found at vitordomingos.com | Aug 10 23:30 |
| trmanco | http://vitordomingos.com/tce/2009-August/000341.html | Aug 10 23:31 |
| trmanco | that the original | Aug 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://vitordomingos.com/tce/2009-August/000341.html | Aug 10 23:31 |
| trmanco | I should have put the text in quotes | Aug 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Yah | Aug 10 23:31 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 10 23:31 |
| trmanco | ok | Aug 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Aug 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | Aug 10 23:31 |
| trmanco | I was already harassed by a guy stating that I was criticizing other people's erros while I was doing erros of my own | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm more worried about the picture | Aug 10 23:32 |
| trmanco | I guess he skipped that part | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Some might think it's sexist. I couldn't find male photo | Aug 10 23:32 |
| trmanco | what picture? | Aug 10 23:32 |
| trmanco | oh | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Didn't notice? | Aug 10 23:32 |
| trmanco | it was a lady | Aug 10 23:32 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | If not, good | Aug 10 23:32 |
| trmanco | but why sexist? | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | It ain't | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Some might see it that way, I felt.. | Aug 10 23:33 |
| trmanco | every picture that has a women now is sexist? | Aug 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | No, that's the pont | Aug 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Earth has more women than men | Aug 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | But some girls are too sensitive | Aug 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | well, they should see porn pics, an tell us if those are sexist :-P because the majority don't include men | Aug 10 23:34 |
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| trmanco | any way | Aug 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | posterous still doesn't support trackbacks | Aug 10 23:34 |
| trmanco | I'll be doing a manual trackbrack :-P | Aug 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | posterous is new to me | Aug 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Didn't realise if you started a new blog when I saw the URL | Aug 10 23:36 |
| trmanco | not really | Aug 10 23:37 |
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| trmanco | I'm just trying out the service | Aug 10 23:37 |
| trmanco | the thing is, that I can post from email | Aug 10 23:37 |
| trmanco | and it will appear exactly the way I formated, hosting all media online | Aug 10 23:38 |
| trmanco | wordpress has something like this | Aug 10 23:38 |
| trmanco | but I think it doesn't do media | Aug 10 23:38 |
| tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/about/comment-page-1/#comment-36848 | Aug 10 23:41 |
| tacone | some guy complaining about lefty | Aug 10 23:42 |
| trmanco | tacone, you do php? | Aug 10 23:43 |
| tacone | yup | Aug 10 23:43 |
| trmanco | that's cool | Aug 10 23:44 |
| tacone | i was a professional O:-) | Aug 10 23:44 |
| trmanco | me too :-P | Aug 10 23:44 |
| trmanco | I'm more of a freelancer, sort of | Aug 10 23:44 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yes, it's true | Aug 10 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I have the proof | Aug 10 23:44 |
| tacone | is that comment from you or anyone else ? | Aug 10 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Not from me | Aug 10 23:44 |
| tacone | k | Aug 10 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Lefty has a trail of many victims | Aug 10 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Since ages ago (early 90s | Aug 10 23:45 |
| tacone | well that's not hard to believe | Aug 10 23:45 |
| tacone | he behaves so bad that it's easy to think he's an asshole. | Aug 10 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore him | Aug 10 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Those who know him do | Aug 10 23:46 |
| tacone | he's just lucky i have no evidence | Aug 10 23:46 |
| tacone | he behaved very badly. | Aug 10 23:47 |
| tacone | he's not like Shields | Aug 10 23:47 |
| tacone | shields is biased and probably in bad faith | Aug 10 23:47 |
| tacone | but lefty is on another level. | Aug 10 23:48 |
| trmanco | he the kind of guy that breaks the sane limits | Aug 10 23:48 |
| trmanco | it* | Aug 10 23:48 |
| tacone | i believe lefty's not mislead | Aug 10 23:48 |
| tacone | he's just a bad guy. | Aug 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | He is in marketing | Aug 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Not a tech guy | Aug 10 23:48 |
| tacone | yes I know. | Aug 10 23:48 |
| trmanco | wtf is a dildo? | Aug 10 23:48 |
| tacone | his problem is he believes to be smarter than the rest | Aug 10 23:49 |
| tacone | a dildo is a fake (plastic) dick | Aug 10 23:49 |
| *trmanco think it might be a bad word | Aug 10 23:49 | |
| trmanco | ah | Aug 10 23:49 |
| tacone | a thing women use to masturbate | Aug 10 23:49 |
| tacone | mostly used by porn stars | Aug 10 23:49 |
| trmanco | vibrator I guess | Aug 10 23:49 |
| trmanco | that what we call them in portugal | Aug 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Not just pr0n starts | Aug 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | *stars | Aug 10 23:49 |
| trmanco | that's | Aug 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | years ago when I was a student some of my housemates had some.The girls weren't shy to talk about it | Aug 10 23:50 |
| tacone | of course. it's something sold in sex shops. nothing intrinsically bad | Aug 10 23:50 |
| trmanco | loool | Aug 10 23:50 |
| tacone | dildo is a vibrator without the vibration. | Aug 10 23:50 |
| schestowitz | In Japan they are all sorts of sex toys for men | Aug 10 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Less so in the West, AFAIK | Aug 10 23:50 |
| trmanco | ah | Aug 10 23:50 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 10 23:51 |
| tacone | it's just a plastic thing shaped like a .. you know what. | Aug 10 23:51 |
| trmanco | yes | Aug 10 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the crashes Ubuntu server tan the shop | Aug 10 23:51 |
| tacone | ahahahah | Aug 10 23:51 |
| schestowitz | [ubuntu-dev] HELP *urgent* | Aug 10 23:51 |
| schestowitz | My dildo shop is down | Aug 10 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Please help | Aug 10 23:51 |
| tacone | imagine one of those in the ubuntu store | Aug 10 23:51 |
| tacone | that would be fun | Aug 10 23:51 |
| tacone | we can arrange it to look like the logo in some way :) | Aug 10 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 10 23:52 |
| schestowitz | You could turn the Ubuntu logo into something else | Aug 10 23:52 |
| trmanco | LOL | Aug 10 23:52 |
| schestowitz | http://alexandrubucur.com/files/ubuntubd2.jpg | Aug 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Where's that Canonical photo of the two lads | Aug 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Where they sort of hug and say "I love Ubuntu"...? | Aug 10 23:53 |
| schestowitz | That was in Digg's FP. It was very gay | Aug 10 23:53 |
| tacone | i wonder how much those pics are endorsed by canonical :) | Aug 10 23:54 |
| trmanco | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_N-OacfIut-Y/Rvy87nXIqtI/AAAAAAAAAMw/Q8pZD8z8xq4/s400/ubuntu_5.11.jpg | Aug 10 23:54 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 10 23:54 |
| tacone | real men don't photoshop an ubuntu logo on their girlfriend's pic | Aug 10 23:57 |
| tacone | beside that, that pic seems taken for ubuntu | Aug 10 23:57 |
| tacone | just as much as the butts one. | Aug 10 23:58 |
| tacone | i wonder if that was orchestrated some way | Aug 10 23:58 |
| schestowitz | THey were promises glory | Aug 10 23:59 |
| schestowitz | "it's for h0rny g33ks" | Aug 10 23:59 |
| schestowitz | *promised | Aug 10 23:59 |
| tacone | i love ubuntu | Aug 11 00:00 |
| tacone | but i don't like that much canonical new entries | Aug 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | People or products? | Aug 11 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Mono, UbuntuOne, Rick... | Aug 11 00:01 |
| tacone | rick :) | Aug 11 00:01 |
| tacone | lol | Aug 11 00:01 |
| schestowitz | prick | Aug 11 00:01 |
| tacone | but i'm still waiting to see results from rick and matthews and so on | Aug 11 00:01 |
| tacone | the past was easy. package and make seamless | Aug 11 00:01 |
| tacone | now they're adding personality to the whole. let's see if they pick the right choices | Aug 11 00:02 |
| tacone | like this guy http://mpt.net.nz/ | Aug 11 00:02 |
| tacone | i disagree with him so often. | Aug 11 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Mono has quieted down, which is good in a way. Less exposure to them. | Aug 11 00:03 |
| tacone | yup, but jo keep posting | Aug 11 00:03 |
| tacone | i'm waiting to see if he keeps to | Aug 11 00:03 |
| tacone | his blog is all about mono. | Aug 11 00:03 |
| tacone | it's made just for that. | Aug 11 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Minimalist blog | Aug 11 00:03 |
| tacone | bad faith blog. | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Monkeys=Mono | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Oxford=Microsoft | Aug 11 00:04 |
| tacone | i'm waiting september to post again about mono. | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Esp. to those in Britian who know | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Cambridge less so | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | I was almost doing my PhD in Camb | Aug 11 00:04 |
| tacone | microsoft CP was a sign | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Bad sign | Aug 11 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Wakeup call | Aug 11 00:04 |
| tacone | they need to adjust to community needs | Aug 11 00:04 |
| tacone | the first thing is the lie | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: "drink the poison, just not all parts of it' | Aug 11 00:05 |
| tacone | the second may be a real adjustment. | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft never keeps promises | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Lots of examples | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | TomTOom FAT | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | PlaysforSure (NotSoSure) | Aug 11 00:05 |
| tacone | they're just seeing if the cp is enough | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Recently the domain thing for small businesses | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They promises it would be free, promise voided last week | Aug 11 00:05 |
| tacone | they'd never did the promise if it was not needed | Aug 11 00:05 |
| schestowitz | CP = not legal contrac | Aug 11 00:06 |
| tacone | the promise weakens them. at least a bit | Aug 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Word of mouth, verbal agreement of trust | Aug 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Miceosoft asked me about it, sort of | Aug 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | I ignored | Aug 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | They wanted to see if it's the FSF's position | Aug 11 00:06 |
| tacone | cp is legally binding | Aug 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | They test the FSF and use is vs them | Aug 11 00:06 |
| tacone | the problem is that can be changes anytime and covers almost noghing. | Aug 11 00:07 |
| tacone | my point is: they did because they had to | Aug 11 00:07 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone told me it's not binding | Aug 11 00:07 |
| schestowitz | FFII told me | Aug 11 00:07 |
| tacone | that means they have some problem to solve | Aug 11 00:07 |
| tacone | it's binding, because it says so | Aug 11 00:07 |
| schestowitz | http://gamemank.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/impressions-of-csharp/ | Aug 11 00:07 |
| schestowitz | http://makomk.livejournal.com/108443.html?view=57243 | Aug 11 00:07 |
| tacone | they say it's not binding, because of some trick in it | Aug 11 00:07 |
| tacone | my point is they were forced to do that. | Aug 11 00:08 |
| tacone | they'll be forced to do more if the challenge persist | Aug 11 00:08 |
| tacone | their problem is: | Aug 11 00:09 |
| tacone | mono is pretty cool, but nobody uses it | Aug 11 00:09 |
| tacone | their vibrant community is just 30 person working on banshee. plus someone on gnome do | Aug 11 00:10 |
| tacone | f-spot development is freezed, more or less. | Aug 11 00:10 |
| tacone | they need adoption, so they foster this insanity hoping to publicize mono | Aug 11 00:11 |
| tacone | "why I like mono". "if mono critics don't want mono then pull out a good alternative" | Aug 11 00:11 |
| tacone | alternative to a platform that has no more than 20 working apps ? | Aug 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | wait... | Aug 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | I want to show you s/t | Aug 11 00:12 |
| tacone | a cross-platform language that seen no from-windows port yet ? | Aug 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | From mono-nono | Aug 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | This is funny: http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/17/a-mono-success-story/ | Aug 11 00:12 |
| tacone | i read that | Aug 11 00:12 |
| schestowitz | "Not-mono: Not best-of-breed" | Aug 11 00:12 |
| tacone | he forgot to talk about the rest of the apps ? | Aug 11 00:13 |
| tacone | which apps ? uhhhh... | Aug 11 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "Mono: Extending Redmond’s Reach into Proprietary Platforms on the backs of “Open Source” developers since 2001. Also some Linux apps in there somewhere too." | Aug 11 00:13 |
| tacone | get an ubuntu machine and apt-cache rdepends mono-runtime | grep -v mono | Aug 11 00:13 |
| tacone | +- 30 entries. strip libraries and examples and they're 20. | Aug 11 00:14 |
| tacone | strip worthless stuff and it's less than 10 apps | Aug 11 00:14 |
| tacone | oh, the productive mono. | Aug 11 00:14 |
| tacone | oh, why you don't allow devs to develop the language they like ? | Aug 11 00:14 |
| tacone | bollocks | Aug 11 00:14 |
| schestowitz | It's a Novell/Ximian thing | Aug 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | 10 years almost | Aug 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Novell has poor following | Aug 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Unlike SUSE (Germany) | Aug 11 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Mono=Massachusetts | Aug 11 00:15 |
| tacone | someone said ximian is used to this kind of community tactics | Aug 11 00:16 |
| schestowitz | ANy URL? | Aug 11 00:16 |
| tacone | uhm. difficult | Aug 11 00:17 |
| tacone | lemme see | Aug 11 00:17 |
| tacone | http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/04/is-the-mono-war-unproductive/comment-page-1/#comment-1000 | Aug 11 00:19 |
| *schestowitz looks | Aug 11 00:21 | |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Aug 11 00:23 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 11 00:24 |
| trmanco | gnome includes everything in what reaches programming languages (at least it tries) | Aug 11 00:25 |
| trmanco | kde remains solely based on c++ based app, right? | Aug 11 00:25 |
| trmanco | I read this somewhere, but I'm not sure where | Aug 11 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Python increasingly too | Aug 11 00:26 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 desktop | Aug 11 00:26 |
| trmanco | ah crap | Aug 11 00:26 |
| trmanco | python is still slow | Aug 11 00:26 |
| trmanco | but I'm sure it will improve | Aug 11 00:27 |
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| MinceR | why do we keep this blatant m$ apologist around again? | Aug 11 10:27 |
| schestowitz | He does not break rules | Aug 11 10:27 |
| MinceR | what are the rules anyway? | Aug 11 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | See the Wiki on comments | Aug 11 10:49 |
| schestowitz | I hardly read #bn | Aug 11 10:49 |
| schestowitz | It's all hogwashed now | Aug 11 10:49 |
| schestowitz | "crapfooded" as it's called | Aug 11 10:49 |
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| trmanco | #bn doesn't existe | Aug 11 11:13 |
| trmanco | :-P | Aug 11 11:13 |
| trmanco | exist* | Aug 11 11:13 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/08/10/engineering-pov-ie6.aspx | Aug 11 11:17 |
| trmanco | what a bunch of douchbags | Aug 11 11:17 |
| trmanco | douchebags* | Aug 11 11:18 |
| trmanco | the other channel is not like it use to be :( | Aug 11 11:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: doesn't that suggest that it should be cleansed? :> | Aug 11 11:23 |
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| trmanco | if people wan't to talk ot the should do it somewhere else | Aug 11 11:26 |
| trmanco | they* | Aug 11 11:26 |
| MinceR | you have a point, trmanco -- we could just move on here, with the trolls none the wiser | Aug 11 11:29 |
| trmanco | but the other channel is the one being logged | Aug 11 11:30 |
| trmanco | what I'm trying to say is that some people might read the logs and it suck reading offtopic stuff | Aug 11 11:30 |
| trmanco | sucks* | Aug 11 11:30 |
| MinceR | well, i'd just kickban crapflooders permanently, but i'm not making policy :> | Aug 11 11:31 |
| trmanco | I mean, some OT from time to time doesn't hurt, the problem is that the OT in that channel is just too much | Aug 11 11:31 |
| trmanco | It's actually calm right now :-P | Aug 11 11:32 |
| trmanco | dos konqueror use Gecko? | Aug 11 12:52 |
| trmanco | and what is it's default useragent? | Aug 11 12:52 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Aug 11 14:00 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 11 14:00 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 11 14:00 | |
| *#boycottnovell-social :[freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Aug 11 14:00 | |
| schestowitz | Did I miss anything this channel other than the garbage in from the flooders (I have logger_bot only on the other channel)? | Aug 11 14:07 |
| schestowitz | These people are diluting the channel | Aug 11 14:07 |
| schestowitz | s/n ratio goes near 9 | Aug 11 14:07 |
| schestowitz | *0 | Aug 11 14:07 |
| schestowitz | And it's entertaining Linux FUD too | Aug 11 14:07 |
| schestowitz | load average: 19.90, 7.83, 3.53 | Aug 11 14:32 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Aug 11 15:05 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 11 15:05 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 11 15:05 | |
| MinceR | trmanco: afaik it uses khtml | Aug 11 15:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well, it could be un-diluted | Aug 11 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | I had some audio issues this morning | Aug 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Did I miss anything in this one channel? I think I'll give you op later, before Ryan is back. Then you can do as you please | Aug 11 17:23 |
| MinceR | did pulseaudio manage to start somehow (and screw up audio)? :> | Aug 11 17:25 |
| MinceR | i'll probably kickban him then. :> | Aug 11 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I gave you op | Aug 11 17:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: some weird pulseaudio/atrs stuff | Aug 11 17:47 |
| schestowitz | All sorted now | Aug 11 17:47 |
| schestowitz | *Arts | Aug 11 17:47 |
| MinceR | thx | Aug 11 18:16 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9410 | Aug 11 19:52 |
| trmanco | ah crap | Aug 11 19:52 |
| trmanco | this shouldn't have been published | Aug 11 19:52 |
| trmanco | yet | Aug 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Yikes | Aug 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Pretty bad | Aug 11 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Buzz me when .4 is out | Aug 11 19:54 |
| trmanco | will do | Aug 11 19:54 |
| MinceR | "In soviet America products design you to fail!" | Aug 11 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/CENTOS-Freetard-Run-Piggy-Bank-Roy-Schestowitzftopic-503052-days0-orderasc-20.html | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | quote | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | (If it's Miguel that Roy's worried about, I certainly wouldn't _blame_ | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Miguel for wanting to take a swing at Roy; in fact, if Miguel were to | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | ask me to--which he wouldn't--I'd be willing to seriously consider | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | holding Roy down while Miguel worked him over. That said, I have to | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | say that Miguel, who is more of a gentleman than I'll be in two | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | lifetimes, would never do such a thing: I've broken up an _actual | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | about-to-turn-into-a-fight_ with Miguel. Peacefully. He's a peaceful | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | guy. Me, I'm as peaceful as I _can_ be.) | Aug 11 21:41 |
| schestowitz | unquote | Aug 11 21:41 |
| MinceR | they should experience what they advocate | Aug 11 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Such nice chaps | Aug 11 21:44 |
| MinceR | then again, if they're so worked up about you, you must have done something right | Aug 11 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Autistic trucking scam hacker jailed for 55 months < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/11/trucking_scam_hacker_jailed/ > | Aug 11 21:47 |
| trmanco | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnote-list/2009-August/msg00005.html | Aug 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Already bored? | Aug 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [again] | Aug 11 21:54 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 11 21:58 |
| trmanco | he is just asking for help | Aug 11 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I hope so. | Aug 11 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Fedora 12 needs it | Aug 11 21:59 |
| trmanco | it has it already | Aug 11 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I do C/C++, but hub would not want /me/ to help | Aug 11 22:00 |
| trmanco | are you an advanced c++ programmer? | Aug 11 22:04 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Been too long | Aug 11 22:10 |
| trmanco | I hate c++ | Aug 11 22:12 |
| MinceR | i like c++ | Aug 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | at least using mf'c | Aug 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | mfc's | Aug 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | and atl's | Aug 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | that's the only experience I have in c++ | Aug 11 22:12 |
| MinceR | ugh | Aug 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 11 22:13 |
| MinceR | that isn't c++, that's vc++ | Aug 11 22:13 |
| trmanco | it's crap | Aug 11 22:13 |
| MinceR | it's m$ :> | Aug 11 22:13 |
| trmanco | and so is the ide | Aug 11 22:13 |
| trmanco | C is fun | Aug 11 22:13 |
| MinceR | c++ is more fun | Aug 11 22:14 |
| trmanco | but I need a lot more practice | Aug 11 22:14 |
| trmanco | heh | Aug 11 22:14 |
| trmanco | I can also do windows | Aug 11 22:14 |
| trmanco | like c++ :-P | Aug 11 22:14 |
| MinceR | pft | Aug 11 22:14 |
| trmanco | and buttons too :> | Aug 11 22:14 |
| trmanco | I can live without classes, thanks :-P | Aug 11 22:16 |
| MinceR | you have no class :> | Aug 11 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Simple Alphabetical Glossary Using jQuery < http://www.packtpub.com/simple-alphabetical-glossary-using-jquery?utm_source=lxer&utm_medium=article&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=mdb_000206 > | Aug 11 22:17 |
| schestowitz | See Linus on C++ | Aug 11 22:17 |
| schestowitz | He's being a pr*ck | Aug 11 22:17 |
| trmanco | neat | Aug 11 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Can't do it = it sucks | Aug 11 22:17 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 11 22:17 |
| MinceR | well, he admits he's a git :> | Aug 11 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Like faith-based things | Aug 11 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Git actually has good acceptance | Aug 11 22:18 |
| MinceR | Git is good. | Aug 11 22:18 |
| trmanco | very good | Aug 11 22:18 |
| schestowitz | It's said to be going to be the dominant one | Aug 11 22:18 |
| schestowitz | SVN is history | Aug 11 22:18 |
| MinceR | but regarding the name he said he named it after himself :> | Aug 11 22:18 |
| schestowitz | svn loses to git | Aug 11 22:18 |
| trmanco | better then crappy svn | Aug 11 22:18 |
| schestowitz | git is maintained without linus now | Aug 11 22:18 |
| *MinceR uses git almost every weekday :> | Aug 11 22:18 | |
| trmanco | he still does some patches | Aug 11 22:18 |
| trmanco | hg is good too | Aug 11 22:19 |
| trmanco | http://www.securiteam.com/windowsntfocus/5XP0B0AS0G.html | Aug 11 22:20 |
| trmanco | I like jquery | Aug 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | i usually say "hg is git, but slower" :> | Aug 11 22:21 |
| trmanco | nice js framework to create bloaty apps | Aug 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | windowsn't focus? :> | Aug 11 22:21 |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 11 22:21 |
| MinceR | (Win Doesn'tworkstation) | Aug 11 22:21 |
| trmanco | weird stuff | Aug 11 22:21 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022715.html | Aug 11 22:22 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022716.html | Aug 11 22:22 |
| trmanco | so secure | Aug 11 22:22 |
| MinceR | oh so secure. | Aug 11 22:22 |
| trmanco | even it's telnet implementation is a hole | Aug 11 22:22 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022712.html | Aug 11 22:23 |
| trmanco | oh geeze | Aug 11 22:23 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022711.html | Aug 11 22:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 11 22:23 |
| MinceR | even atl is a hole | Aug 11 22:23 |
| trmanco | was today patch Tuesday? | Aug 11 22:23 |
| trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Aug/1022708.html | Aug 11 22:23 |
| trmanco | they are all remote | Aug 11 22:23 |
| MinceR | only if they actually managed to fix something | Aug 11 22:24 |
| trmanco | they just manage to workaround there problems | Aug 11 22:24 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, yestrrday | Aug 11 22:24 |
| trmanco | creating even more problems | Aug 11 22:24 |
| schestowitz | 5 critical | Aug 11 22:24 |
| trmanco | yesterday? | Aug 11 22:24 |
| schestowitz | At least 5 | Aug 11 22:24 |
| trmanco | it's still tuesday (GMT) | Aug 11 22:25 |
| schestowitz | When Microsoft says 5 hides the rest | Aug 11 22:25 |
| trmanco | or it's not there fault | Aug 11 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just trying to prove how secure it is | Aug 11 22:25 |
| schestowitz | It's showing you that it patches flaws | Aug 11 22:25 |
| schestowitz | No pain, no gain | Aug 11 22:25 |
| trmanco | or they fix 2 in 1 patch, kinda like cheep shampoo+conditioner | Aug 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Rinse and repat | Aug 11 22:26 |
| trmanco | :> | Aug 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "# Microsoft reworks the patches and then delivers a patch to the broken patches | Aug 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | # Repeat (1)" | Aug 11 22:26 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/11/microsoft-patch-cycle/ | Aug 11 22:27 |
| MinceR | see ubuntu bug #1 ;) | Aug 11 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Vanity | Aug 11 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates bug #1 | Aug 11 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Be richest | Aug 11 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer bug #1 | Aug 11 22:29 |
| MinceR | REOPENED | Aug 11 22:29 |
| MinceR | ;) | Aug 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | FInd heart | Aug 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Like in Wizard of Oz | Aug 11 22:29 |
| trmanco | no no no | Aug 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, Slim | Aug 11 22:29 |
| MinceR | doesn't ballmer need to find a Heart Container first? | Aug 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I think he regained it, BUT | Aug 11 22:29 |
| schestowitz | The richest ones are unknown | Aug 11 22:29 |
| trmanco | create great deodorant, one that really clogs up his skin pores | Aug 11 22:29 |
| trmanco | being rich is actually bug #2 | Aug 11 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Either rich folks in Qatar/UAE.. | Aug 11 22:30 |
| MinceR | the Illuminati. :> | Aug 11 22:30 |
| trmanco | :o | Aug 11 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Or Rockefellers/Rothschild s | Aug 11 22:30 |
| schestowitz | No, no "Illuminati" | Aug 11 22:30 |
| trmanco | I heard of them in some movie | Aug 11 22:30 |
| *schestowitz has vision of angry Alex Jones hoppin' mad | Aug 11 22:30 | |
| MinceR | you don't believe the Illuminati exist? :> | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Let me find something | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | If it's still online | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | They censored the dude.. | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | F* | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | It's emoved | Aug 11 22:31 |
| schestowitz | *emoved | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | *removed | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Will be back on the new site | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | f*YouTube | Aug 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Like he said, they censor speech while keeping gals shakin' their booty to rap music online | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It was a great video about some alien loon | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | He took it down | Aug 11 22:32 |
| MinceR | FuckyouTube needs to exist | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | PronTube | Aug 11 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Never used it | Aug 11 22:33 |
| MinceR | hm, domain's taken already :/ | Aug 11 22:33 |
| schestowitz | There's gnaughty | Aug 11 22:33 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 11 22:33 |
| MinceR | (also it's nsfw) | Aug 11 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Depends where you work | Aug 11 22:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 11 22:54 |
| trmanco | http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/opera-chrome-not-officially-supported-office-web-apps-092 | Aug 11 23:14 |
| MinceR | lol, pathetic | Aug 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Aug 11 23:16 |
| MinceR | it's like they realize the boat is sinking so they cut another hole | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Who would use Office-Web | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Dead on arrival | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | It's like AP | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Read us, don't cite us, just pat us | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "WHAAAAeevr" | Aug 11 23:16 |
| MinceR | also shows m$'s approach to web standards, as usual | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it hours ago | Aug 11 23:16 |
| MinceR | (sadly, it's pretty much the same as google's) | Aug 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/11/odf-pdf-and-html-harm/ | Aug 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Read it. | Aug 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Google. Ha! | Aug 11 23:17 |
| schestowitz | "<!doctype html><head><title>site:boycottnovell.com google - Google Search</title><sc... | Aug 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | " <a href="http://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&tab=wm" class=gb1>Mail</a> " | Aug 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Aug 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | They seem to have fixed it somewhat | Aug 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | back in 2005 it was total chaos in source | Aug 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | "onmousedown="return rwt(this,'','','clnk','2','AFQjCNFvoWp0yef5gF_n6qgp71jAo4Elmg','')">Cached</a> " | Aug 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Big Googie still love some good ol spying | Aug 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Ahhh.. | Aug 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | The "AFQjCNFvoWp0yef5gF_n6qgp71jAo4Elmg" command | Aug 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Yes, yes,..... *THAT's* the one | Aug 11 23:19 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 12 02:52 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 12 02:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Torturing Children: Bush's Legacy and Democracy's Failure http://www.truthout.org/080309A | Aug 12 13:25 |
| schestowitz | How come /we/ get all the fun?? :-) Government wants more CCTV cameras in homes < http://www.techradar.com/news/world-of-tech/government-wants-more-cctv-cameras-in-homes-622368 > | Aug 12 13:26 |
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| MinceR | time to replace this via epia-based "server" | Aug 12 22:05 |
| MinceR | crashes randomly on usb hdd connect/disconnect | Aug 12 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Mandrake | Aug 12 22:23 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 12 22:23 |
| schestowitz | mandriva? | Aug 12 22:23 |
| MinceR | ubuntu | Aug 12 22:23 |
| MinceR | some old release | Aug 12 22:23 |
| MinceR | i've never seen a pc crash on such things before | Aug 12 22:23 |
| MinceR | then again, this is apparently usb 1.1-only | Aug 12 22:24 |
| MinceR | and the hdd-s are usb 2.0 | Aug 12 22:24 |
| MinceR | funny how trollFC starts trolling the moment i lose my op | Aug 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | he was so quiet while i had it | Aug 12 23:14 |
| >ChanServ<op #boycottnovell schestowitz | Aug 12 23:19 | |
| fewa_ | TrollFC is Troll | Aug 12 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | He is | Aug 12 23:27 |
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| trmanco | http://www.hellcode.net/wordpad.txt | Aug 13 17:09 |
| trmanco | hehe | Aug 13 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Aug 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Hacker With Asperger’s Sentenced to 55 Months for Trucking Scheme < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/truckers/ > | Aug 13 17:11 |
| trmanco | I'll try that on a friend :-P | Aug 13 17:11 |
| trmanco | it won't cause any harm, just to test it :-P | Aug 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529128/aussie-arrested-botnet-allegation | Aug 13 17:13 |
| trmanco | oh wait | Aug 13 17:13 |
| trmanco | wine has wordpad :-P | Aug 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Aug 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Like I have fish (in my stomach) | Aug 13 17:13 |
| trmanco | LOL | Aug 13 17:16 |
| trmanco | it crashes it | Aug 13 17:16 |
| trmanco | 60% of cpu usage | Aug 13 17:16 |
| trmanco | memory stable | Aug 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Aug 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Underground forum r00t-y0u.org gets pwned http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/undergrownd_forum_pwned/ | Aug 13 17:48 |
| MinceR | what would daemonfc have to do to earn a permban? | Aug 13 19:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 13 19:01 |
| schestowitz | it's against the police | Aug 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | *policy | Aug 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Commenting_Policy | Aug 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | First paragraph | Aug 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | the first paragraph says nothing | Aug 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | except that trolls exist | Aug 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | also, there's the "be truthful and civil" part -- daemonfc definitely keeps violating that | Aug 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Better to give him warning before ban | Aug 13 19:24 |
| MinceR | he'd had enough warnings to fill a small book | Aug 13 19:30 |
| trmanco | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/081309-microsoft-ie8-browser-security.html?page=1 | Aug 13 21:23 |
| trmanco | omfg | Aug 13 21:23 |
| trmanco | "Microsoft's Internet Explorer 8 rated tops among five browsers tested by NSS Labs for effectiveness in protecting against malware and phishing attacks—though NSS Labs acknowledges Microsoft paid for the tests. " | Aug 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Aug 13 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Pathetic | Aug 13 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Now we just need IE8 on secure platforms | Aug 13 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Linux | Aug 13 21:48 |
| MinceR | nah, just use a windows nt certification environment | Aug 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | unplug the machine from everything, including power | Aug 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | pour a concrete block around it | Aug 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | and don't let anyone touch it | Aug 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | presto, you've got yourself a secure machine | Aug 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | oh, i forgot one thing | Aug 13 21:52 |
| MinceR | omit the browser and any outside attackers from the Target of Evaluation | Aug 13 21:53 |
| trmanco | and an unmovable one too | Aug 13 21:53 |
| MinceR | and anything you can think of, of course | Aug 13 21:53 |
| trmanco | http://weblogtoolscollection.com/archives/2009/08/12/the-correct-way-to-report-a-security-issue-with-wordpress/ | Aug 13 21:59 |
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| fewa | DaemonTroll is annoying | Aug 14 00:01 |
| schestowitz | He's himself | Aug 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR having op keept him humbler | Aug 14 00:10 |
| schestowitz | *keeps | Aug 14 00:10 |
| fewa | user:HAl is at it again | Aug 14 00:15 |
| schestowitz | http://r00t-y0u.org/ | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Watch what happaned | Aug 14 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/13/undergrownd_forum_pwned/ (Underground forum r00t-y0u.org gets pwned) | Aug 14 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | They always have to bring up those "God" questions... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pqO1KFV0S8&feature=related | Aug 14 13:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxFn8FfauU&feature=related | Aug 14 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 2 years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OOWZiU1RQY&feature=related | Aug 14 13:55 |
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| MinceR | http://www.artfagcity.com/2009/08/12/img-mgmt-the-nine-eyes-of-google-street-view/ | Aug 14 19:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: TrollFC is getting offensive again | Aug 14 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Do what you wish | Aug 14 21:19 |
| MinceR | i'm predictable, am i not? :> | Aug 14 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's like chess | Aug 14 21:22 |
| MinceR | btw, i'm sure speaking in tongues is a lot more sensible than turning to the east and chanting. :> | Aug 14 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Bush does that | Aug 14 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCZtLVim94Q&feature=related | Aug 14 22:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.gunnerkrigg.com//comics/00000604.jpg | Aug 14 22:58 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/critical_linux_bug/ | Aug 14 23:36 |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 14 23:36 |
| trmanco | local bug | Aug 14 23:36 |
| trmanco | what a bummer | Aug 14 23:36 |
| trmanco | a so called "attacker" would have to kick the security's ass to get access to the servers | Aug 14 23:37 |
| trmanco | why do people make so much fuss about local linux exploits, but no fuss at all with *remote* windows bugs | Aug 14 23:38 |
| trmanco | ? | Aug 14 23:38 |
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| fewa | yep | Aug 14 23:48 |
| fewa | they would never report windows local bugs | Aug 14 23:48 |
| fewa | windows has never released an OS which is locally secure | Aug 14 23:48 |
| fewa | in any way | Aug 14 23:48 |
| trmanco | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001296.html | Aug 14 23:51 |
| MinceR | i guess the reason is that a remote exploit in windows is no news | Aug 14 23:55 |
| MinceR | while a local exploit in linux is | Aug 14 23:55 |
| MinceR | also, people are stupid | Aug 14 23:55 |
| trmanco | I'll stick with you last option | Aug 14 23:59 |
| trmanco | adding just *some* | Aug 14 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Linux flaws are that rare they make the news. | Aug 14 23:59 |
| oiaohm | If every single windows flaw was reported the same way there would be no room for any other news. | Aug 15 00:00 |
| trmanco | good point | Aug 15 00:01 |
| MinceR | i think every single windows flaw _should_ be reported the same way | Aug 15 00:01 |
| MinceR | otherwise we get windows fanboys pointing at flaw reports like this | Aug 15 00:01 |
| oiaohm | MS also very commonally have 10 year old reported bugs. | Aug 15 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Note reported. | Aug 15 00:03 |
| oiaohm | This fault in Linux had just sliped threw cracks. | Aug 15 00:03 |
| oiaohm | The serous question is how many bugs are out there. | Aug 15 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, same point I raised earlier | Aug 15 01:08 |
| schestowitz | No show-stropper | Aug 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Damn, I'm so awake now | Aug 15 01:09 |
| trmanco | :-) | Aug 15 01:09 |
| trmanco | I'm actually the opposite | Aug 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It was fun running at this time, a rarity | Aug 15 01:09 |
| trmanco | I bet it's hot there | Aug 15 01:10 |
| trmanco | gn | Aug 15 01:11 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 15 01:24 | |
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| fewa | this stuff scares this shit out of me | Aug 15 11:30 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/13/right_wing_hysteria_misinformation_fuels_anger | Aug 15 11:30 |
| fewa | Amy really hits it: "I mean, isn’t there a very serious issue with the media, as well? People are scared right now. People see big banks being bailed out. People are losing their jobs. There’s no explanation of the healthcare plan on television. It’s all about the polls, up, down, or what would really be something that was a cost—that both dealt with cost and dealt with something where people would be taken care of. Chip Berlet, your | Aug 15 11:33 |
| fewa | response to that?" | Aug 15 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Good excuse for war | Aug 15 11:34 |
| schestowitz | No job? Join the army | Aug 15 11:34 |
| fewa | They believe the people that set them into the mess | Aug 15 11:35 |
| fewa | we just need some real education | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Bookmarked | Aug 15 11:35 |
| fewa | its been covered alot | Aug 15 11:35 |
| fewa | I think Bill Maher also covered it well | Aug 15 11:36 |
| fewa | The media continuely fails to say what the health care plans are | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Candidates too | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Most important issue to voters | Aug 15 11:36 |
| fewa | and in phone polls a short description is all it takes for people to go from 33/33/33 for/against/neutral to 75/25 for | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Taken off the table | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Then there's push-polling | Aug 15 11:37 |
| fewa | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/17/obama-boost-new-poll-show_n_217175.html | Aug 15 11:37 |
| fewa | You just give them a short description of the plan, and the support goes through the roof | Aug 15 11:38 |
| schestowitz | 1320 comments | Aug 15 11:45 |
| fewa | Thats HF for you | Aug 15 11:48 |
| fewa | I just linked cause it summarizes the poll | Aug 15 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Ok can you guys get to coreboot.org ? Sorry for odd question. | Aug 15 11:48 |
| fewa | just go to page 19 of the poll | Aug 15 11:48 |
| fewa | oiaohm, no coreboot.org down from here | Aug 15 11:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: nope | Aug 15 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft killed it !! | Aug 15 11:50 |
| schestowitz | and the KGB, too | Aug 15 11:50 |
| fewa | oiaohm, its their servers | Aug 15 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Bugger | Aug 15 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Just when I was going to get a new copy to use. | Aug 15 11:52 |
| fewa | just traceroute | Aug 15 11:53 |
| fewa | http://pastebin.com/m166978c8 | Aug 15 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Most of the open source bioses appear to be in the same location | Aug 15 11:56 |
| fewa | ? | Aug 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: google cache | Aug 15 12:02 |
| oiaohm | 4 of my list of open source bios have basically the same trace route. | Aug 15 12:02 |
| oiaohm | google cache normally does not store tar.gz files. | Aug 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | True | Aug 15 12:04 |
| fewa | web.archive.org | Aug 15 12:07 |
| fewa | i find it much more useful than google cache | Aug 15 12:07 |
| fewa | also easier to go to, just prefix with http://web.archive.org/ | Aug 15 12:07 |
| fewa | differnt tools however | Aug 15 12:08 |
| schestowitz | it's such an important project (archive) | Aug 15 12:20 |
| schestowitz | WHat would IArchive archive if it's gone | Aug 15 12:21 |
| schestowitz | *archive I Archive | Aug 15 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep I rock lands in the wrong place would do it too. | Aug 15 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Its not a distributied thing. | Aug 15 12:21 |
| fewa | Its got a mirror | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | It ought to be | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | What if hosting in general was made more P2P-ish?\ | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | With encryption of course | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | You use available CPU | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Less pollution | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | But also less control over content | Aug 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | So you have terror~1, pedo stuff, and Alex Jones on the Charlie Rose show !! :-S | Aug 15 12:23 |
| fewa | schestowitz, there is no demand for those things | Aug 15 12:23 |
| fewa | all the archive uses is bandwidth and disk space | Aug 15 12:23 |
| fewa | nothing else | Aug 15 12:23 |
| fewa | all this cloud stuff can be kinda bullshit, as its all centralized in a few computing mega-centers | Aug 15 12:24 |
| fewa | Its just a way of making a supercomputer out of a bunch of things that are individually called computers | Aug 15 12:25 |
| fewa | and archive isn't even a computer, its just a big fanciful RAID | Aug 15 12:25 |
| schestowitz | Porn Studios Sue 10,000 Over Illegal Uploads < http://freakbits.com/porn-studios-sue-10000-over-illegal-uploads-0814 > | Aug 15 12:27 |
| schestowitz | fewa: I think IA moved to Solaris recently. | Aug 15 12:27 |
| schestowitz | They have like 6 perabytes? Maybe more. | Aug 15 12:28 |
| fewa | *petabytes | Aug 15 12:28 |
| fewa | they have nothing to do but stupidly, and with punity, defend their aging business model | Aug 15 12:28 |
| fewa | Maybe a good way to get on the offensive again is to pass a bill that gives states right to set their own health care systems, and group up | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Googolbytes | Aug 15 12:38 |
| schestowitz | {10^100}^1000 or something like that.. or maybe Googolplex :-) | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | I hear that some (one) people in the state lose their health coverage when losing a job | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | THat's just sad. Poor ->death | Aug 15 12:40 |
| fewa | thousands of people | Aug 15 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Senator Jim Webb's Burma visit raises speculation of new US policy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/14/us-senator-jim-webb-burma | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | fewa: millions | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Aren't there like 70 bil without insurance? | Aug 15 12:45 |
| fewa | 10,000 deaths a year | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | WOw. | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | How much from gun crime? | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Never mind cancer and traffic accidents | Aug 15 12:45 |
| fewa | hmm i cant find that number now | Aug 15 12:46 |
| fewa | but i just had it | Aug 15 12:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/14/sniffer-dogs-drug-search "Using sniffer dogs to identify people carrying drugs is wrong in principle and ineffective in practice – and we'll prove it in court" | Aug 15 12:46 |
| fewa | oh 20,000 according to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences | Aug 15 12:51 |
| fewa | pay-or-die system | Aug 15 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I.e. work hard or be dead | Aug 15 13:09 |
| fewa | if you can't work, you are better off dead | Aug 15 13:11 |
| fewa | Thats how Richard Nixon thought http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q | Aug 15 13:11 |
| fewa | and the system that moneyed interests are defending today | Aug 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, those seniors... give them cigarettes, says the industry that gives pensions | Aug 15 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. "Highly exploitable Linux kernel bug found, patched" < http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,1000000189,39716623,00.htm > | Aug 15 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Highly LOCALISED too | Aug 15 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Also not exploitable in all built kernels either. | Aug 15 13:51 |
| trmanco | ah geeze | Aug 15 13:59 |
| trmanco | they stupid bug is local | Aug 15 13:59 |
| trmanco | not remote | Aug 15 13:59 |
| trmanco | how can that be dangerous | Aug 15 13:59 |
| MinceR | it can be dangerous if you have untrusted local users | Aug 15 14:00 |
| trmanco | yeah | Aug 15 14:00 |
| trmanco | you can get fired in a datacenter for malicious activity | Aug 15 14:00 |
| trmanco | :-p | Aug 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Or being a support person with access to passwords | Aug 15 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Social engineering/inside jobs | Aug 15 14:04 |
| schestowitz | In the case of Linux, finding the guilty account is so easy | Aug 15 14:04 |
| schestowitz | It is, after all, local. Not some crackers from CHina..... | Aug 15 14:04 |
| schestowitz | So there's direct liability | Aug 15 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Linux Bug: CRITICAL Effect: Mom can change wallpaper on YOUR account from HER account. | Aug 15 14:05 |
| schestowitz | She could delete the HDD, but what good would that be? Her account would be gone, too. | Aug 15 14:07 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 15 14:07 |
| MinceR | it can also be dangerous if a remote attacker can gain local non-root access. | Aug 15 14:08 |
| trmanco | hey hey l00k, I can open vi and edit files at /home/$USER | Aug 15 14:09 |
| trmanco | ... | Aug 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, on shard servers | Aug 15 14:10 |
| trmanco | I forgot to put that between quotes | Aug 15 14:10 |
| schestowitz | it's no longer compartmentalised | Aug 15 14:11 |
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| trmanco | look how stupid windows users get | Aug 15 16:51 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/browse_thread/thread/46a0a28610ea0eac# | Aug 15 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Not so stupid | Aug 15 17:02 |
| schestowitz | There's _much_ worse | Aug 15 17:02 |
| trmanco | like what? | Aug 15 17:04 |
| trmanco | how do I open the internet? | Aug 15 17:05 |
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| MinceR | and so this via trash heap crashes again | Aug 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | my via epia home server | Aug 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | it's the third crash this year | Aug 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | the first crash happened when i plugged in 2 usb hdd-s | Aug 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | the second crash happened when i unplugged them | Aug 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | and the third one happened just now, with no reason | Aug 15 22:11 |
| trmanco | are you sure it's a crash | Aug 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | well, it stopped responding to ping and ssh | Aug 15 22:11 |
| MinceR | so i hit reset on it | Aug 15 22:11 |
| trmanco | maybe the usb's aren't giving enough juice to the usb hds | Aug 15 22:11 |
| trmanco | ah | Aug 15 22:11 |
| trmanco | ok, it's a crash | Aug 15 22:11 |
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| MinceR | the hdds aren't on it | Aug 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | one of them is powered off its own wall wart | Aug 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | the other one simply doesn't spin up if it doesn't get enough juice | Aug 15 22:12 |
| MinceR | though later i've found out that it only has a usb 1.1 controller | Aug 15 22:15 |
| MinceR | so it was slow as fuck | Aug 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Mine does like 20mb/sec | Aug 15 22:15 |
| schestowitz | *mbytes | Aug 15 22:15 |
| trmanco | mine too | Aug 15 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTUFpbgXtoA&feature=related | Aug 16 20:09 |
| trmanco | oh geeze | Aug 16 21:18 |
| trmanco | http://www.osnews.com/story/21999/Editorial_X_Could_Learn_a_Lot_from_Vista_Windows_7 | Aug 16 21:18 |
| trmanco | maybe get a less powerful computer next time | Aug 16 21:18 |
| trmanco | I would rather have X crash then the hole OS go down | Aug 16 21:19 |
| *trmanco reads the 230+ comments | Aug 16 21:22 | |
| schestowitz | It's a troll | Aug 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Thom | Aug 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I quit OS News cause of him | Aug 16 21:22 |
| trmanco | he really forgot to mention that if something serious goes wrong in windows, the hole os craps itself out and you are left with a giant blue screen with annoying white letters telling you that the system is either going to restart or that you would need to hit the reset button | Aug 16 21:25 |
| trmanco | his problem is probably due to crappy drivers | Aug 16 21:27 |
| trmanco | "Actually, Windows Vista has learned from X. In Vista, drivers are largely in user space instead in the kernel as in Windows XP, due stability reasons. | Aug 16 21:30 |
| trmanco | This is the solution of Xorg since its creation. | Aug 16 21:30 |
| trmanco | So, well Microsoft, thank you to imitate X window server after 25 years " | Aug 16 21:30 |
| fewa | that doesn't just happen with crappy drivers, it happens with almost any operating system event | Aug 16 21:31 |
| fewa | restart, restart, restart | Aug 16 21:31 |
| trmanco | http://www.osnews.com/thread?378624 | Aug 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Better not feed him.. | Aug 16 21:38 |
| schestowitz | He's a Vista promoter, since forever | Aug 16 21:38 |
| MinceR | http://qdb.us/298655 | Aug 16 22:23 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 17 09:38 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 17 09:38 | |
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| fewa | Dana Goulds did a great little segment on medical care on Real Time with Bill Maher | Aug 17 10:46 |
| fewa | he visited Remote Area Medical in LA | Aug 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | I've just gone though 2 years of noted | Aug 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | *notes | Aug 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Suddenly I came across something I totally forgot... that BBC radio invited me to talk | Aug 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's so nostalgic organising the journals :-) | Aug 17 11:39 |
| trmanco | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5053827 | Aug 17 11:41 |
| trmanco | wow | Aug 17 11:41 |
| trmanco | so it's all going to end like this | Aug 17 11:41 |
| trmanco | my isp gateway is crapping itself out.... | Aug 17 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm...... | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I has occurred to me that subdomains don't work in my account. I've had the following for years: | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | blog.schestowitz.com | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | om.schestowitz.com | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | vision.schestowitz.com | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | xml.schestowitz.com | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Visiting these gives what looks like DNS error. | Aug 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: blocked from here, I think (TPB) | Aug 17 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Ha. | Aug 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | "The subdomain DNS entries didn't exist, so I have added these now. Please allow up to 24 hours to replicate across all systems. | Aug 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | If you need anything else, please let us know." | Aug 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | A shame it took me _ssssssssoooo_ long to find this out | Aug 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Doing lots of 'housekeeping' today | Aug 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Had E-mail been like Microsoft document formats, imagine what it would be like digging old E-mails and trying to manage them....*sigh* | Aug 17 12:52 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/X2eHz.jpg | Aug 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | LaTeX never fails me and I still have viewers for the old Palm formats. Needless to say, the Microsoft stuff (1990s for me) is a binaries mess.. useless, inaccessible. | Aug 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Some people just don't understand or mind vendor lockin. "@schestowitz well im neither a #ODF or #OOXML proponent. I find the discussion silly and distracting for the ramp up of open-source in gov" http://twitter.com/christianlanng/statuses/3359727255 | Aug 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Burma releases US man who swam to Aung San Suu Kyi < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/15/burma-release-us-prisoner > USian mercy | Aug 17 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | "Reportedly Chavez has dropped the proposed media law which I criticized in a recent political note." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#16%20August%202009%20%28Chavez%20may%20back%20down%20on%20censorship%20law%29 | Aug 17 13:16 |
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| MinceR | the zoo is open again :/ | Aug 17 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Useful this time | Aug 17 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv2xQ68HLD0&NR=1 | Aug 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uctj7JAwghA&NR=1 | Aug 18 00:40 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/9bfj7/matt_asay_completely_misses_the_point_yes_i_know/ | Aug 18 00:53 |
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| fewa | DaemonTroll is annoying | Aug 18 06:39 |
| fewa | Daemon should be permabanned again | Aug 18 06:53 |
| fewa | all he does is troll, its not constructive | Aug 18 06:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, he can sometimes be annoying (Asay) | Aug 18 07:27 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Ryan too, but what can we do? | Aug 18 07:27 |
| fewa | thats his name | Aug 18 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Daemon | Aug 18 07:31 |
| fewa | * [DaemonFC] (i=DaemonFC@c-69-245-224-210.hsd1.in.comcast.net): Ryan | Aug 18 07:37 |
| fewa | (according to him) | Aug 18 07:37 |
| fewa | this sort of shit where he all he does is shove words around http://pastebin.com/m7c0bcdac | Aug 18 07:38 |
| fewa | * | Aug 18 07:38 |
| fewa | http://pastebin.com/m5d6e632f | Aug 18 07:38 |
| fewa | kick | Aug 18 07:43 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> only about 500 of them, and none that work right | Aug 18 07:43 |
| fewa | ==troll | Aug 18 07:43 |
| fewa | oooooo | Aug 18 07:43 |
| fewa | web browsers | Aug 18 07:43 |
| fewa | still junk | Aug 18 07:43 |
| MinceR | fewa: well, now you can ban them | Aug 18 07:55 |
| MinceR | and he's right about no web browsers working right, he only conveniently forgets the fact that firefox is one of those web browsers | Aug 18 07:55 |
| fewa | He also begged the question that Firefox works better on some platforms | Aug 18 07:56 |
| MinceR | i've heard that from elsewhere, but didn't check | Aug 18 07:56 |
| fewa | Firefox on GNU/Linux is more stable IMHO because the OS is more stable | Aug 18 07:57 |
| fewa | They had alot of problems on OSX cause of undocumented graphics APIs | Aug 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | He behaves better when someone has op | Aug 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Firefox is slower on Linux | Aug 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | But that's about the only issue other than minor integration issues | Aug 18 07:59 |
| fewa | I think it should use libnotify instead of its own | Aug 18 08:01 |
| fewa | so quite :P | Aug 18 08:01 |
| fewa | *quiet | Aug 18 08:01 |
| MinceR | s/them/him/ | Aug 18 08:02 |
| MinceR | well, it shouldn't be slower on linux | Aug 18 08:02 |
| MinceR | mozilla needs its attitude to be readjusted | Aug 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | They're Mac cultists | Aug 18 08:47 |
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| MinceR | there's a particular criminal who even gets enough energy to jump around and keep shouting "Developers!" | Aug 18 13:10 |
| MinceR | there's a good place to start handling overpopulation as any | Aug 18 13:10 |
| schestowitz | It won't do | Aug 18 13:13 |
| MinceR | with good enough targeting we could even deal with the 'abortion/contraception is teh evil' meme | Aug 18 13:13 |
| schestowitz | It's a planning issue | Aug 18 13:13 |
| MinceR | i also want to deal with the 'people being extremely stupid and evil' issue, too | Aug 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz | You and I may have over 50 years left on this planet, we need to worry about it | Aug 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz | My parents might not | Aug 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz | My grandfather is not too bothers (he's in his 80s) | Aug 18 13:14 |
| MinceR | not necessarily, depending on the advance of technology | Aug 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz | *bothered | Aug 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Doubtful | Aug 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Technology is in the hands of <10% | Aug 18 13:15 |
| schestowitz | THe rest ignore and daemonise it | Aug 18 13:15 |
| schestowitz | In the US, atheists are the most loathed and science is something seen as demeaning and evil | Aug 18 13:15 |
| MinceR | then they won't be leaders in science | Aug 18 13:16 |
| MinceR | which suits me | Aug 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Dark Ages | Aug 18 13:17 |
| MinceR | perhaps on the long term this fundamentalism issue will simply solve itself | Aug 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Turkey was once an empire | Aug 18 13:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: let's hope | Aug 18 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Austro-Hungarian empire... http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Biology/7-012Fall-2004/VideoLectures/detail/embed06.htm | Aug 18 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > Have been reading the new stuff on BN everyday, and | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > did some half-hearted Digging, but looking at the monitor still gives me | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > headaches. argh... | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > Feeling a bit better today, but still not fully recovered. | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > I'm going to try doing a little work today, and maybe I can do some | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > Comes work this evening. I'll see if I can get someone to help out with | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > them too. | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, we'll get 'em done! | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > :o) | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm moving apartments next week, so let's wait till September :-) | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Then, we have 1 whole year to do 4 docs :-) | Aug 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz | ^^Comes delays ... :-S | Aug 18 16:49 |
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| MinceR | obviously, i'll have to consider jurists as part of my anti-overpopulation plan | Aug 18 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Well, try another approach | Aug 18 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I advocate contraception | Aug 18 22:50 |
| schestowitz | In some place people might use words like "prude" or "gay" to insult those who suggest birth control | Aug 18 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather have just one kid then no future at all on this planet or bad future for my kid and grandchild | Aug 18 22:51 |
| schestowitz | *than | Aug 18 22:51 |
| MinceR | the two methods can work together | Aug 18 22:51 |
| MinceR | and should | Aug 18 22:51 |
| schestowitz | It's true that some people can eb sent to settle Mars | Aug 18 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It's not inhibitable though. OOPS. | Aug 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | i'd rather send them to settle the Sun | Aug 18 22:52 |
| schestowitz | The issue is that Earth then loses organic material /sarcasm | Aug 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | then again, it's all too expensive | Aug 18 22:52 |
| MinceR | it's better to use them in biomass power plants | Aug 18 22:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: space elevator | Aug 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | burn them | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | No! | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Stop it... | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | You're making us look saddistic | Aug 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | this isn't logged | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Imprisonment and death penalties may do | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true, but still. | Aug 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | besides, they don't have to be conscious while they're burned | Aug 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | but it's more fun that way :> | Aug 18 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Stop it! | Aug 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | really, human evil and stupidity brings out my darker side | Aug 18 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Well, some people prefer to be burned after death | Aug 18 22:54 |
| schestowitz | But that's waste of biological material | Aug 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | that works too | Aug 18 22:54 |
| schestowitz | You end up with carbon mostly | Aug 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | not really | Aug 18 22:54 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Aug 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | you get to use the body as an energy source if you do it right | Aug 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | and you make its decomposition cleaner and faster | Aug 18 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I think of it like this: | Aug 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | as opposed to leaving the corpse out somewhere to rot | Aug 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | If I die, than as soon as possible I want my organs used to save other people | Aug 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | (including inside a coffin underground) | Aug 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Some people can use the blood too | Aug 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | So tear me apart to help those in need | Aug 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | currently i'd prefer my organic material to nourish plants | Aug 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Then I can be used to feed fish or whatever. | Aug 18 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm no longer a living organism, so hey, what the heck.. | Aug 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | and of course to that i prefer simply not dying | Aug 18 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Might as well make best use of myself to help others. | Aug 18 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Coffins = dead trees | Aug 18 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Just because you die doesn't justify killing a tree. | Aug 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | i'm arguing against coffins and burial | Aug 18 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Tombstone I can understand. It's just carved off some stone | Aug 18 22:56 |
| MinceR | also consider the carbon footprint of making that tombstone | Aug 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it | Aug 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And carrying it | Aug 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, here in the UK becoming an organ donor is not simple | Aug 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I tried 6 years ago | Aug 18 22:57 |
| MinceR | then there's of course the pointless practice of renting the place where the grave is | Aug 18 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Too labourious | Aug 18 22:57 |
| MinceR | also, wasting space on cemeteries | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | If you want to say, "I hereby give my dead body to those needing donation," that's just too much of a hassle | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Then you have other factors | Aug 18 22:58 |
| MinceR | it's never recovered if sentimental/religious nonsense is maintained | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Like stupid people in one's familay or circle of friends believing that we become ghosts and sh*t | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | So we need 'burial' | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Somewhere to talk to a relative's of friend's bones | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | *or | Aug 18 22:58 |
| MinceR | but i think that ballmer could operate a generator for a while before he's tortured to death and then burned for more power :> | Aug 18 22:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, it's good money | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Cemeteries are a good venture for some | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They make money renting spaces | Aug 18 22:59 |
| MinceR | is that justifiable? | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Unregulated unfederated business AFAIK | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | And look how much they charge for tombstones and stuff | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Ceremonies too | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | People need to make savings here just for a funeral | Aug 18 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I mean, c'mon | Aug 18 23:00 |
| MinceR | and aren't the people who pay for that suckers? | Aug 18 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Even dying is expensive | Aug 18 23:00 |
| schestowitz | "Sorry, kids, I may leave you no inheritence. All the money shalt go to funeral proceedings" | Aug 18 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | *tance | Aug 18 23:00 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 18 23:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Compiz works well for me | Aug 18 23:01 |
| schestowitz | In KDE even | Aug 18 23:01 |
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| MinceR | we have something a bit like that here, in Absurdistan, people's banana republic of Western Balkan (also known as Hungary) | Aug 18 23:01 |
| MinceR | our glorious government decided that they're going to take property tax on expensive buildings | Aug 18 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, shall anyone ask, be sure to remind that Roy allows anything to be done with dead Roy as long as it's not abusive or demeaning :-) | Aug 18 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Dead Roy is an object | Aug 18 23:01 |
| schestowitz | It's not an organism anymorew | Aug 18 23:01 |
| MinceR | and if someone's an old pensioner and he has such a building, they'll let them not pay it, but still encumber the property with it | Aug 18 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Except the organism that would consume it | Aug 18 23:02 |
| schestowitz | WHo regulates the graveyard business? | Aug 18 23:02 |
| MinceR | so the inheritors can inherit a big chunk of debt | Aug 18 23:02 |
| schestowitz | I mean, would they hire PR bunnies to promote lavish funerals and ceremonies? | Aug 18 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Like, you know, pay for film placements and engage in price-fixing with other gravyards? | Aug 18 23:03 |
| MinceR | well, in my social circle religious idiotism, traditional idiotism and social pressure does the promoting | Aug 18 23:03 |
| schestowitz | *rave | Aug 18 23:03 |
| MinceR | wasting time and labor on ornamenting a place where we store corpses in a horribly wasteful way | Aug 18 23:03 |
| schestowitz | That's one way of putting it | Aug 18 23:03 |
| MinceR | obviously i'm pressured to help out with this waste of resources | Aug 18 23:04 |
| schestowitz | People love to think of eternal life | Aug 18 23:04 |
| MinceR | this is not the way they'll get it | Aug 18 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Some will -- believe it or not -- fantasise about it | Aug 18 23:04 |
| MinceR | also, they don't have ancient egyptian faith so not even their scriptures say their afterlife really depend on this | Aug 18 23:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: books may help | Aug 18 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Something about science | Aug 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Science, not superstition | Aug 18 23:05 |
| MinceR | so i still don't get what the big deal is about | Aug 18 23:05 |
| MinceR | yes, science may help us achieve immortality | Aug 18 23:05 |
| MinceR | i'd be very careful about who gets it though | Aug 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: well, the Egyptians at least did it right | Aug 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Their anatomy was preserved | Aug 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | People who died in ice too | Aug 18 23:05 |
| MinceR | well, they were consistent about it | Aug 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Even mammoths | Aug 18 23:05 |
| MinceR | but it was still a huge waste of resources | Aug 18 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Aug 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Not for those who find comfort in the wants rather than the truth | Aug 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Imposed delusions can be soothing | Aug 18 23:06 |
| schestowitz | That's why people get drawn in to cults | Aug 18 23:06 |
| MinceR | to sum it up, people join cults because they're idiots :> | Aug 18 23:07 |
| schestowitz | load average: 31.78, 17.99, 8.41 | Aug 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: some people like to be told what to do | Aug 18 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Another tendency is to make heroes and to think they do supreme things | Aug 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Then you follow their orders | Aug 18 23:44 |
| schestowitz | This may not apply to you, so you won't understand | Aug 18 23:44 |
| fewa | gdamn keep an op in the channel | Aug 19 05:59 |
| schestowitz | I know... | Aug 19 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | Obama's 10 Leadership Mistakes (And How Not to Make Them) < http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/haque/2009/08/obamas_10_leadership_mista.html > | Aug 19 12:05 |
| MinceR | why so serious? >> http://www.engrish.com/2009/08/it-only-hurts-when-i-laugh/ | Aug 19 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I like this site | Aug 19 13:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hackers got talent < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1529602/hackers-talent > | Aug 19 19:15 |
| schestowitz | RT: Retweet Competition to Follow URL-Shortening Cr < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/19/rt-retweet-competition-to-follow-url-shortening-craze >. Twitter is not quite dying yet | Aug 19 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I sort of hope Twitter will fall like Digg | Aug 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | China web addict 'beaten' at camp < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8209422.stm >. Maybe some incident. Boot camp can be harsher, though. More daemonisation of China? | Aug 19 19:18 |
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| trmanco | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/08/analysis-of-boycottnovell-spam-problem.html | Aug 19 23:57 |
| trmanco | ah geeze | Aug 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | False hypothesis, false post | Aug 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I've NOTHING to do with that person | Aug 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Mr Swastika | Aug 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Don't visit or feed it | Aug 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | That motivates him | Aug 19 23:58 |
| trmanco | who the f*ck is verofakto anyway? | Aug 19 23:58 |
| schestowitz | No idea | Aug 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Someone in the US | Aug 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Probably a friend of DavidS | Aug 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | He has all sorts of k00ks, I've learned | Aug 19 23:59 |
| schestowitz | But it might not be related | Aug 19 23:59 |
| trmanco | I also wonder if Homer (all due respect) is a "and instead he finds himself surrounded by a scary cadre of weirdos, spammers, nymshifters and abrasive idiots with dubious IQs who tend to do more harm than good to his cause." | Aug 20 00:00 |
| trmanco | btw | Aug 20 00:00 |
| trmanco | he is also calling me, you and everyone that read BN low IQ weirdos, spammers and nyms | Aug 20 00:01 |
| trmanco | reads* | Aug 20 00:01 |
| trmanco | man if I were rich | Aug 20 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | > Dear XX, | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > RE: Important notice regarding impending lack of privacy, freedom | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > and security from Microsoft Corporation. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's premature to stress compatibility issues (both hardware and software), which cost a lot of money. Stronger hardware may also be required, based on benchmarks. There is no direct upgrade route from XP to 7. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > As a decision maker within your organization, you undoubtedly strive to | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > make choices that seek to improve the working lives of your employees, | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > enhance the relationship you have with your customers and potential | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > customers and secure the independence and freedom for your organization | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > to operate. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > For many years, companies like yours have relied on Microsoft and the | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Windows operating system. With the release of Windows 7 in October, | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft is selling the new version on a combination of fear and | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > threats. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Also hype and false promises. See http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good." | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | --Bill Gates | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | The pricing is deceiving because of tiering (editions) | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > They threaten to stop supporting older versions of Windows in | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > the long-term, and because their system is proprietary, you are | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > dependent on them to provide regular security updates and fixes. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | [...in a timely fashion. :-) If you were to go into details, it's worth stressing time to patch and severity of flaws (remotely exploitable for the most part, c.f. Conficker)] | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | >With | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > the threat to withdraw their support, they try to strong-arm you into | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > adopting new versions of their software even when you don't need them | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > and may have a negative consequence to your ability to operate, once | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > again abusing its monopoly position, explicitly inducing vendor lock-in. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | It also inherits the kill switches (aka "black screen of death", as seen in Asia) and WGA from Vista. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Like its plans to include DRM restrictions with Windows Vista, | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft's continued attacks against the security, privacy and freedom | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > of your organization, are no mistake. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Useful link,FWIW: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vista-Features-and-Services-Harvest-User-Data-for-Microsoft-58752.shtml (Forget about the WGA! 20+ Windows Vista Features and Services Harvest User Data for Microsoft) | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | 7 inherits this. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft has manipulated computer | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > manufacturers to pre-install its products onto the computers you | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > purchase. With its most recent actions, it further threatens computing | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > standards by polluting and perverting the OpenDocument standard with its | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > own XML-based file format. Today, many decision makers in America are | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > now wholly dependent on Microsoft operating systems, such as Windows 7 | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > for their business computing. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | According to some, Microsoft may withdraw support at some stage because of Midori/Singularity. Think along the lines of Mac OS 9 -> Darwin or Palm OS -> WebOS. It's disruptive. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > *The root cause of this dependency is proprietary software and with the | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > release of Windows7, you have an opportunity to break your organizations | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > dependency on it* | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Free software, such as the GNU/Linux operating system and the office | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > productivity tools set OpenOffice, provide all of the freedoms Microsoft | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > tries to deny, and is therefore better in all areas: security, | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > accountability and monetary cost. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | The new Oracle brand may help. People trust Oracle. | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft agrees, and has recently | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > reported as much in their corporate filings: | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > "The OpenOffice.org project provides a freely downloadable | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > cross-platform application that also has been adapted by various | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > commercial software vendors to sell under their brands, including | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > IBM, Novell, Red Hat, and Sun Microsystems." | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > "[Free software] vendors are devoting considerable efforts to | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > developing software that mimics the features and functionality of | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > our products, in some cases on the basis of technical specifications | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > for Microsoft technologies that we make available at little or no cost." | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Free software is more secure because you and the wider community are | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > independently able to read the source code of and customize any program | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > you use in your infrastructure. It saves you from relying on a secretive | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > third party, and the public availability of free software code means | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > that many qualified eyeballs, the security experts and researchers | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > around the world, are continually studying and reporting on its | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > integrity. Replacing all your desktop systems with GNU/Linux will give | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > you independence, access to thousands of free software applications and | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > help break the social ill of proprietary software. Thousands of | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > organizations have already moved to free software. What's your | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > organizational plan? | Aug 20 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Maybe stress again that free means libre? Most reader would think of "cheap" when reading this paragraph. | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > *Investing in Microsoft's Windows 7 will only get you more stuck and | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > more dependent on them.* | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | “They’ll get sort of addicted, and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.” | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | --Bill Gates | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > Take the next step -- evaluate your organizations opportunity to use | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > free software -- and sign-up for regular announcements on making the | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > move away from Windows and to receive information about the work of the | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > Free Software Foundation. | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > http://windows7sins.org/signup | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | > A message from the Free Software Foundation, Boston, Mass. | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | To be announced soon. | Aug 20 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Looks good. No typos found. :-) | Aug 20 07:29 |
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| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/best-search-engine-in-canada-hitwise-says-bing-24208 | Aug 20 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | Social spam... | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | DataDirect Fills Oracle Connectivity Gap Left by MS with ADO.NET Providers | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | As you previously covered (http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/19/break-competitors-products/), Microsoft’s decision to deprecate System.Data.OracleClient has left software developers and architects wondering how best to connect .NET applications to Oracle databases. The latest release of DataDirect Connect for ADO.NET version 3.3 featuring Entity Framework support for Oracle answers the call and provides fully featured desig | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | n to boost success with the Entity Framework. | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Aug 20 19:01 | |
| schestowitz | Please let me know if you’d be interested in speaking to DataDirect further about how its ADO.NET data providers are filling the Oracle connectivity gap left by Microsoft. I can be reached at mnelson@crt-tanaka.com or (703) 894-5460. | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Aug 20 19:01 | |
| schestowitz | Thank you, | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Mike | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | === | Aug 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Trying to send PR agents, probably to everyone mentioning this issue... | Aug 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: there's lots of lying about Bong | Aug 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what's the catch in this latter case? | Aug 20 19:04 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, what case? | Aug 20 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask latr | Aug 20 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I need to post about it first | Aug 20 19:59 |
| trmanco | ok | Aug 20 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | This is hilarious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LOYv3Qq52k&NR=1 | Aug 20 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | OLPC memories hurt, including, e.g.: | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/31/microsoft-asia-china-lobby/ | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | "Thailand | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | There are several possible examples to be used, but here is the incident where employees from Microsoft apparently sabotaged OLPC in Thailand. Mind the following meeting Microsoft had with a minister. | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | About the meeting with Microsoft, he mentioned that he got a request from M.R. Pridiyathorn Devakula, deputy prime minister. [Note: It seems likely that the early meeting with Microsoft was about going to see the operation of British e-government.) Dr.Sitthichai said he will use his own money and contact British government directly instead. | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | For the OLPC project, he asserted that he does not oppose or intend cancel the project. This project was initiated during Thaksin's government with no financial support plan. Therefore, the government does not have budget to support the project. Kamthorn had a chance to clarify and talk about the project for a little while. The minister said he will bring that up for the next meeting with OLPC working group which Dr.Djit | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | t Laowattana serves as a board director. | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | We have covered the OLPC sabotage campaign before and here is a relevant item from Slashdot. | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Thailand’s new junta-appointed Education Minister has cancelled Thailand’s participation in the One Laptop Per Child project and scrapped a plan to give a 2B1 laptop to every primary school student | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Attempts were made by the local Free software advocates to change the minister’s mind, but after the meeting with Microsoft, this sudden change of heart was hard to replace and supersede with another change of heart (reversal of a reversal). | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Eight representatives from Thai Open Source Associations and users/developers of open source software met Dr. Sitthichai, Thai ICT minister, discussing about open source in Thailand and roles of the government. | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | They handed the open letter (asking for support of open source) with 800 names of supporters on to the minister. He apologized and admitted that he is h | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | e is hardware-oriented and does not have knowledge about software that much. He said he does not oppose. He just does not know. From now on, he is willing to support open source software usage and development by the local industry. | Aug 21 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Questions remain. Because that seemed like a done deal at the time, this has similarity to the Microsoft bribery in Nigeria, which is a recent incident. Why are deals being diffused after an agreement? There are usually stories that happen out of sight and far from the media’s scope of coverage. " | Aug 21 00:28 |
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| schestowitz | > I'm up to page 19. | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > > How do you want it? | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Either HTML or text, with <hr /> for page breaks. I drafted bits that | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | need highlighting. People are always too lazy to read the whole thing, | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | so in 1-2 minutes of one's attention span I want to send the messages that: | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | 1. Microsoft attacks Linus in presentations | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | 2. Microsoft admits having minions | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | 3. Microsoft endorses bribery. | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > > All at once when it's done, or | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > > picking away at it in bits and pieces? | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > > | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > > It is truly vile stuff documented there and these people seem as | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | > > incompetent and unknowledgable about computers a they are foul. | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Let's put the whole text in one page. Later we can do separate analyses | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | pointing at the whole. That's how I did the Allchin ones to show prior | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | warnings about SCO. | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | What makes it important and unique is the text being put for Google to | Aug 21 11:49 |
| schestowitz | crawl. Some older articles in BN are PageRank 6. | Aug 21 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Aug 21 23:50 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for your thoughts on this topic. | Aug 21 23:50 |
| schestowitz | > One other thing -- what is your title and what do you do? | Aug 21 23:50 |
| schestowitz | > Are you an open source developer? I need to know so I know how to quote you. | Aug 21 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I am a programmer by qualification (BSc. in Software Engineering) and a researcher. [I'm completing my PhD at Manchester University as slowly as I can] [don't quote me on that ;-)] | Aug 21 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo Mail still king as Gmail lurks < http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10311150-265.html > | Aug 22 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I reckoned a friend used to you do teaching or sysadmining before Microsoft goons took over his department. | Aug 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | He's doing the next big Comes exhibits | Aug 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Manchester U got stuffed with Microsoft moles too. Sometimes they come from India, sometimes from the Microsoft cult. The *NIX people abandon in disgust and the clueless managers support the 'invaders'. | Aug 22 20:25 |
| trmanco | http://www.frasunek.com/kqueue.txt | Aug 22 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Aug 23 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVYtJhbJHI&feature=channel | Aug 23 01:05 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> Hmm...my colo was under DoS attack. That is what caused the problem. I wonder if BN attracted it. You had any unusual heat lately? | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> None at all | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> Ok. Hopefully not related to us then. | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Unlikely IMHO | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> I would think my ISP would figure out who the target of the attack was. And they haven't mentioned anything to me yet. | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Journalists speak to me and all | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> The heat is off | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> Cool. I noticed in c.o.l.a the other day that people were talking about your domain registration etc. | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> We take heat once a year, on average | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> tessier yes, foxed it | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> *fixed | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> I have a google alert set on copilotco so when people pasted the nameservers ns1.copilotco.com etc. it popped up on my radar | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Was accidental | Aug 23 09:33 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> Yeah, I thought so. I have transferred domains etc and had the registration info get munged like that. | Aug 23 09:35 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> I just put my address in | Aug 23 09:35 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Work address when creating the godaddy account | Aug 23 09:35 |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 23 09:35 |
| schestowitz | I've got to be careful of anything the trolls can 'scoop' as 'dirt' | Aug 23 09:35 |
| schestowitz | The last heat-bringer was a known psychopath. He also attacked RMS and the FSF was made aware of this. THe GNOME FOundation was brought into it too. | Aug 23 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | <tessier> FYI: I just got confirmation from my colo that the DoS attack was targeting someone else. | Aug 23 10:23 |
| schestowitz | <tessier> Going to get some sleep now. ttyl | Aug 23 10:23 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> :-) | Aug 23 10:23 |
| schestowitz | We're under DDOS now, it seems | Aug 23 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | Today's Afghan election is a moment of truth for zealous liberal aggressors < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/19/afghan-election-taliban-rumsfeld-intervention > | Aug 23 17:53 |
| schestowitz | "Atty General Holder used to work for the law firm that represented the Republican Party. Is this why he is systematically protecting Republicas from charges including vote-rigging?" http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#23%20August%202009%20%28Atty%20General%20Holder%20protecting%20Republicans%29 | Aug 23 17:54 |
| schestowitz | We need more <Video> Flash news flash < http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/uncategorized/flash-news-flash.html > | Aug 23 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086 "id Software has been a long time support of the Linux community and is really distributing to read that they are possibly moving away from the Linux platform." | Aug 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | > What's the underlying technology running BN ? | Aug 24 18:31 |
| schestowitz | centos+mysql+php+wordpress+mediawiki | Aug 24 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Been a slow day.. | Aug 24 18:31 |
| schestowitz | But we finally have a monster exhibit done | Aug 24 18:32 |
| schestowitz | CLeaned the house today too.... I really ought to get rid of some of my 5 monitors :-) | Aug 24 19:29 |
| trmanco | recycle :-P | Aug 24 19:36 |
| schestowitz | hardly possible | Aug 24 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Many CRts | Aug 24 19:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW, did I miss s/t in this channel while offline? | Aug 24 19:53 |
| trmanco | nop | Aug 24 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | THanks | Aug 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | >> If it is cleaned up, PJ might have some use of it, too. | Aug 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > > | Aug 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > > She's reluctant to do Comes. Daly told me. | Aug 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Hmm. Wonder what's up. Comes is a gold mine. No wonder M$ settled | Aug 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | very, very quickly after Iowa posted the material to the web. It'd be | Aug 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | nice to have the details of the settlement, especially any agreements | Aug 24 20:56 |
| schestowitz | regarding pulling the material offline. | Aug 24 20:56 |
| trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/348459/ | Aug 24 20:58 |
| trmanco | so much for stallman being sexist | Aug 24 20:59 |
| schestowitz | FSF employs women | Aug 24 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Sarah for example | Aug 24 21:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3983 | Aug 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | # While I’ve blogged on sites owned and controlled by others, I much prefer having my own site. This means that I’m the maintenance guy every once in a while, but that adds to the fun. | Aug 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | # Every attempt I’ve made to have other blogs beyond this core one has failed. I just don’t have the band width or interest to keep a lot of them going. That means that this is eclectic and streaky in its coverage of topics, but so be it. | Aug 24 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Haha. | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, Roy, | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Saw your article that quoted Andy Updegrove about the i4i v. Microsoft | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | case. This is for your personal edification, not for publication. | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | I'm used to Andy shooting off his mouth without doing his homework and | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | blundering seriously as a result. But this one has to take the cake, | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | even worse than when he endorsed the Microsoft Open Specification | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Promise as good for open source development. | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | <http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20060912140103877>. | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | This time around Andy writes, at | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | <http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20090821090244256>: | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | : | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft can simply continue to sell Office and Word as they are | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | today, defying the court's order, while it goes about pursing its | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | appeals. The damages would continue to pile up, of course (assuming | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | that Microsoft's final appeal ends in failure), but so would the | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | profits in the meantime, without business interruption. This is | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | roughly the approach that Microsoft has sometimes followed in the past | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | (e.g., during its long-running bout with the European Commission), and | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | even when the penalties are substantial, they may still be less than | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | the interim profits made." | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | ""That's certainly the case here. " | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Quite obviously, Andy has little to no experience in injunction cases | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | in U.S. federal court. Violations of federal court injunctions are | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | punishable as contempt of court, in either civil contempt or criminal | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | contempt proceedings at the judge's discretion. This can include | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | either jail sentences or fines as big as it takes to compel immediate | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | compliance. And Microsoft can't get such fines back even if it wins on | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | the merits of its appeal. The issue would be the judge's *power* to | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | coerce compliance with an existing order, unaffected by whether | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft eventually wins the appeal on the patent itself. You don't | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | get to violate court orders just because you think you might undermine | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | the order on appeal. In other words, a judge can be wrong, but he or | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | she must be obeyed until there is an an order from a higher court that | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | stays or overturns the judge's order. | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Because Andy missed the availability of the contempt of court remedy, | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | he also missed who can be subjected to a contempt order. Who is bound | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | by an injunction? | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Injunctions apply not only to the party enjoined but also to others. | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Fed. R. Civ. P. 65 teaches: | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | "The order binds only the following who receive actual notice of it by | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | personal service or otherwise: | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | (A) the parties; | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | (B) the parties' officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys; and | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | (C) other persons who are in active concert or participation with | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | anyone described in Rule 65(d)(2)(A) or (B)." | Aug 25 09:02 |
| schestowitz | "http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule65.htm | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Andy obviously has never been in court when a federal judge threatens | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | to slap someone in jail if an entity doesn't comply with an injunction | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | immediately. I have. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | On one memorable occasion I watched Judge James Burns, upon being told | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | that the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture and U.S. Dept. of the Interior had | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | defied his injunction, calmly tell an Assistant U.S. Attorney that he | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | wanted the Secretaries of those two departments in his courtroom on | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Monday to show cause why they should not be jailed for contempt of | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | court, unless the two Departments were in compliance before then and | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | he had affidavits in hand from the Secretaries themselves swearing | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | that their departments were in compliance. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | The Secretaries did not have to appear because the Departments | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | immediately complied with the injunction and the Assistant U.S. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Attorney supplied the court with the sworn affidavits from the | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Secretaries attesting to it. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | In other words, if Microsoft does not comply with the injunction | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | (assuming it is not stayed pending appeal), the judge can slap Steve | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer and as many other Microsoft management types it desires in | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | jail until Microsoft comes into compliance." | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | "Andy also missed that the reason Microsoft got away with not complying | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | with the DG Competition order in regard to the Samba team was that DG | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Competition and Microsoft had stipulated that Microsoft need not | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | supply the information to the Samba team pending the Court of First | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Instance's decision. That was to reduce the number of issues on | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | appeal, since Microsoft had raised intellectual property defenses to | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | providing the communications protocol specifications on terms | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | compatible with FOSS licensing. And he's apparently forgotten the two | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | whopper fines DG Competition imposed for Microsoft's delaying tactics | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | in getting the specifications written and made available even for | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | proprietary software competitors. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Andy's entire "the i4i decision doesn't really matter to Microsoft" is | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | utter bullshit, the brain fart of a guy who habitually shoots off his | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | mouth without doing his homework first. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | The i4i lawyers have Microsoft's nuts in a vice if: [i] Microsoft does | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | not win its motion for a stay of the injunction pending appeal; and | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | [ii] Microsoft is unable by October 10 to pump out a new release of | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Office that does not infringe the patent." | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | "In my carefully studied opinion, the latter is next to impossible, for | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | a host of reasons I won't dwell on here. Even if Microsoft could pull | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | that off, the folks who are already locked into Microsoft's Custom XML | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | (mostly enterprises) with multi-year licensing contracts, acquire the | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | right to sue Microsoft for their damages from being unable to acquire | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | more copies of Custom XML-enabled Word as required by the license | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | contracts and being forced into integrating a new version of word that | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | destroys their Custom XML. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | To boot, Microsoft will be required by the terms of the injunction to | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | turn off the Office 2007 service pack 2 hose on October 10 as well | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | unless it stops selling Word in the U.S. or gets that rebuilt version | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | of Word done before then. SP 2 is already widely distributed and | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | implemented, but automatic updates via the Internet that apply that | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | patch are scheduled to begin September 23. What's Microsoft to do, | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | block all IP addresses in the U.S. for the automatic updates? And how | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | would the folks who are entitled to SP 2 under the terms of the | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | injunction feel about that? More satellite litigation?" | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | "Bottom line: Andy Updegrove stuck his foot way down his throat this | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | time, on an elementary issue that gets thoroughly covered in every | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | first-year law student's mandatory Rules of Civil Procedure class. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Right or wrong, judges who issue orders in civil cases have to be | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | obeyed. | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | This is not to say that there are not narrow exceptions. But this case | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | does not fall within any of them I ever learned of." | Aug 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > Any chance I can catch you for a minute on the phone today ASAP or via | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > e-mail to get your thoughts on Moonlight 2.0? | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Sure, I'd love to weigh in. :-) | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > I'm writing an update story for Linux.com on its status and the "why" | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > behind it. | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > I have read that you are a vocal critic of the project due to its | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > connections to Microsoft and related reasons. | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > I'd love to get your thoughts ASAP. | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > Do you have a few minutes today to discuss this with me or can you send | Aug 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz | > me a statement via e-mail ASAP today? | Aug 25 09:40 |
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| MinceR | http://noob.hu/2009/08/24/image001.jpg | Aug 25 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Aug 25 11:51 |
| schestowitz | ERROR: can't "Jacksoff". Dependency "kiddie-pr0n" required | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Digg had this thing with many votes: http://imgur.com/O7rgP.jpg | Aug 25 12:17 |
| schestowitz | >> It might be useful to link it to 3096 (the 'jihad') so as to strengthen the position that it is a malevolent political movement and/or organized crime. | Aug 25 12:25 |
| schestowitz | > > All at once when it's done, or | Aug 25 12:25 |
| schestowitz | > > picking away at it in bits and pieces? | Aug 25 12:25 |
| schestowitz | > > | Aug 25 12:25 |
| schestowitz | > > It is truly vile stuff documented there and these people seem as | Aug 25 12:25 |
| schestowitz | > > incompetent and unknowledgable about computers a they are foul. | Aug 25 12:25 |
| schestowitz | [re: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/25/microsoft-anti-linux-presentation/ ] | Aug 25 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Let's put the whole text in one page. Later we can do separate analyses pointing at the whole. That's how I did the Allchin ones to show prior warnings about SCO. | Aug 25 12:26 |
| schestowitz | What makes it important and unique is the text being put for Google to crawl. Some older articles in BN are PageRank 6. | Aug 25 12:26 |
| schestowitz | "Canadian First Nations seek to highlight UK's 'criminal' role in CO2-heavy oil schemes" http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/aug/23/london-tar-sands-climate-protest | Aug 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | "I then tried various Linux distributions and found the battery life | Aug 25 14:08 |
| schestowitz | under FOS to be VERY disappointing" | Aug 25 14:08 |
| schestowitz | http://slashdot.org/submission/1060997/Why-Is-Linux-Notebook-Battery-Life-Still-Poor | Aug 25 14:08 |
| fewa | hmm I should do some emperical testing | Aug 25 14:09 |
| fewa | Seems to be an Intel | Aug 25 14:10 |
| fewa | also its a lenovo so could be buggy ACPI | Aug 25 14:10 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/08/time-to-face-some-facts.html | Aug 25 14:11 |
| fewa | 'My research shows that "embrace, extend and extinguish" is not held as a legal trademark by anyone as of yet. You might want to snatch that up just to round out your portfolio. ' | Aug 25 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | > Rather than pasting the text here and letting Gmail get its twisty | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > fingers on it, I'm just going to send it as aplain text file. I used | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > gedit to type it. I didn't add any formatting except line spacing where | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > paragraphs begin (and a page break). | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > Hopefully it will be clean text for you...let me know if it works okay. | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > The other PDF we discussed this morning is going to take some time. It | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > makes my poor old eyes melt. I'm going to see if someone else around | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > here (with better eyes) will take the pages with all the tiny text. | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > In the meantime, here's 61.PDF as text (attached) | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | For the other PDF, there's already reusable stuff from Groklaw. | Aug 26 02:23 |
| schestowitz | > Good work on PX9346. There's a lot there. Here's an old image of | Aug 26 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > "Uncle Fester Investments", which one slashdotter complained would | Aug 26 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > continue to keep SCO afloat financially: | Aug 26 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 26 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/563.jpg | Aug 26 08:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sdtimes.com/link/33680 | Aug 26 09:14 |
| schestowitz | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-Department-of-Justice-iw-1387360932.html?x=0&.v=1 | Aug 26 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkCuc34hvD4&NR=1 | Aug 26 14:03 |
| trmanco | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9521 | Aug 26 18:03 |
| trmanco | meh | Aug 26 18:03 |
| trmanco | apple talk | Aug 26 18:03 |
| trmanco | wtf is that? | Aug 26 18:03 |
| schestowitz | What it sounds like | Aug 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | * atalk_getname() can leak 8 bytes of kernel memory to user | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * [clem1@noe ~]$ ./appleak | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * 1e 83 f2 31 ec 56 d7 f6 | ...1.V.. | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * 00 f4 55 f6 84 2a ca bf | ..U..*.. | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * 00 f4 55 f6 1e 83 f2 31 | ..U....1 | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * 1e 83 f2 31 00 60 5e f6 | ...1.`^. | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * 00 f4 55 f6 84 2a ca bf | ..U..*.. | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * c0 2a 54 c0 a8 61 45 f6 | .*T..aE. | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * 21 54 12 c0 84 2a ca bf | !T...*.. | Aug 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | * (...) | Aug 26 18:18 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 26 18:20 |
| trmanco | whatever that means | Aug 26 18:20 |
| MinceR | appletalk is some kind of proprietary network protocol nobody cares about | Aug 26 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Applespeak | Aug 26 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Applecult... | Aug 26 20:09 |
| trmanco | ah geeze | Aug 26 20:22 |
| *trmanco is going to play Quake Live | Aug 26 20:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://windows7sins.org/ | Aug 26 20:33 |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 26 21:27:31 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Aug 26 21:27 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 26 21:27 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 26 21:27 | |
| trmanco | http://ztrek.blogspot.com/2009/08/attacking-microsoft.html | Aug 27 00:03 |
| trmanco | this guy has a point | Aug 27 00:03 |
| trmanco | nobody likes negative stuff | Aug 27 00:03 |
| trmanco | even though it's the truth | Aug 27 00:04 |
| trmanco | instead put some humor into into a campain like this | Aug 27 00:04 |
| trmanco | campaign | Aug 27 00:04 |
| schestowitz | SD Times | Aug 27 01:30 |
| schestowitz | THey are Microsoft lovers | Aug 27 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Their funding comes from Microsoft, too (adverts) | Aug 27 01:31 |
| trmanco | http://emilio.pozuelo.org/?p=56 | Aug 27 12:27 |
| trmanco | see shitty comments | Aug 27 12:28 |
| trmanco | I think there might be a way to "delay" a ddos on bn | Aug 27 12:43 |
| trmanco | http://www.askapache.com/htaccess/blocking-bad-bots-and-scrapers-with-htaccess.html | Aug 27 12:46 |
| trmanco | http://www.askapache.com/htaccess/apache-htaccess.html | Aug 27 12:47 |
| schestowitz | BN here: http://www.fayerwayer.com/2009/08/free-software-foundation-se-lanza-contra-windows-7/ | Aug 27 12:47 |
| trmanco | I can remember a trick to delay multiple requests for some seconds | Aug 27 12:47 |
| trmanco | but I just can't find it now | Aug 27 12:48 |
| schestowitz | gtg, have op | Aug 27 12:48 |
| trmanco | ? | Aug 27 12:49 |
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| trmanco | wow | Aug 27 14:08 |
| trmanco | bung sure is a traffic maker | Aug 27 14:08 |
| trmanco | 0.16% of search traffic | Aug 27 14:09 |
| trmanco | thats about 7 visits in a month | Aug 27 14:09 |
| trmanco | it has less than yahoo | Aug 27 14:09 |
| trmanco | so much for all the over hyped bung toy search engine | Aug 27 14:09 |
| schestowitz | So they go backwards, eh? | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Bong is non-existent in Asia | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | In Europe I reckon it does OK... in stupid countries like the UK | Aug 27 15:16 |
| trmanco | heh | Aug 27 15:18 |
| schestowitz | But in the UK almost 1 in 10 MIGHT actually really use Bong | Aug 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz | But that's all they'll show you (Microsoft) | Aug 27 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Cause globally Google commands almost 90% of search. Maybe just over 80% | Aug 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Bong = minuscule 3% or so | Aug 27 15:25 |
| MinceR | well, m$ has bought bing into yahoo | Aug 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Same goes for E-mail accounts: gmail will pass Yahoo soon and Microsoft lags further and further behind with HotSteam | Aug 27 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Need help: | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | "You can probably find more about the British company, Riverbank | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Computing Limited, locally. | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | It appears that Nokia is trying to abuse Riverbank over licensing. | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | According to this article in Swedish, Nokia was trying to force | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Riverbank to change PyQt from the GPL to LGPL, but simply walked over | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Riverbank and released PySide themselves as LGPL: | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | http://opensource.idg.se/2.1014/1.242813/nokia-kor-over-oppenkallkodsforetag | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | The reason cited in the article by Nokia was to port PySide to "other | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | platforms" | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Nokia did that with the previously dual-licensed GPL/Proprietary Qt | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | after purchasing Trolltech. That was a real jack-ass thing to do. | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Before, Qt users had two choices, both of which benefit Qt: pay cash to | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Qt developers for a proprietary license or pay improvements forward to | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | the community of Qt users. Either way, Qt benefits. | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Fast forward to 2009. Nokia has purchased Trolltech and re-licensed Qt | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | as LGPL. | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | There's a lot of anti-GPL buzz and manipulation in the Finnish tech | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | community the last year and a half." | Aug 27 15:28 |
| schestowitz | "Nokia needs to clean house before it has serious financial difficulties. | Aug 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Take the "former" Microsoft staffers and consultants and send them | Aug 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | (back) to Russia." | Aug 27 15:29 |
| MinceR | the best thing that ever happened to Qt was releasing it under LGPL | Aug 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | "A friend's company was as far as I can tell pressured lightly to drop | Aug 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | the GPL for their main products, which they did." | Aug 27 15:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Nokia uses EPL for Symbian | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | I also got this E-mail yesterday: | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | From some PR bunny: | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "Jasmine Teer | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | PageOne San Francisco | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | jasmine@pageonepr.com | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | 415.321.2348 office | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | 510.387.0384 mobile | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | 415.398.3886 fax" | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "EPL, GPL and BSD, Oh My!" | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "Hi Roy, | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Today, open source CNET blogger Matt Asay wrapped up his post on some hypocrisy coming out of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) camp by being a good neighbor and yelling over the fence "Put your code where your mouth is... and make sure it's truly open to derivative works, while you're at it". | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | It's good to see open source is well at work... getting gut checked by the ones who love and know them best. Asay, who frequently comments on the FSF, is set to throw down a gauntlet on behalf of the GPL, a license published by the very same FSF, this coming Monday, August 31." | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "The Free and Open Source Software Learning Centre(FOSSLC) has arranged a live debate (in Ottawa and on free webcast), that may very well turn into a free-for-all smack down to shake the dust off the longtime argument over which open source license is best. | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Tune in to see how Asay fares in his defense of the GPL, in spite of a recent Black Duck report that found that "the percentage of open source projects using GPL variants dropped from 70 to 65 percent from the previous year" (as reported in InfoWorld). | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Also tapped for this showdown, Eclipse Foundation Executive Director Mike Milinkovich who will be advocating the Eclipse Public License (EPL), a weaker copyleft license that is intended to be more business friendly and a encourage commercial ecosystem. " | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "Taking up the third position in this battle-of-licenses is Coverity's Open Source Strategist David Maxwell, who will stand behind the permissive Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) software license. Maxwell is on the Board of Directors at the BSD and for the last three years has run the Dept of Homeland Security funded Scan Initiative, the largest public-private partnership of its kind focused open source code quality and | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | integrity. | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | FOSSLC would like Asay, Milinkovich, and Maxwell to face a firing squad and wants the public to do the shooting. Please consider posting a question to the debate at http://bit.ly/DKyUJ and alerting your readers about the debate and question submit box. The who, what, where, when and why about this debate can be found in the press release. | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | If you have questions for the debaters or Andrew Ross, President of the FOSSLC, please contact me. | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Jasmine Teer" | Aug 27 15:30 |
| schestowitz | end quote | Aug 27 15:31 |
| schestowitz | They promote anti-GPL maybe | Aug 27 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't like the sound of that. Asay & ORLY gang | Aug 27 15:31 |
| schestowitz | "In light of the recent shilling the BBC is doing for M$ and the | Aug 27 15:32 |
| schestowitz | irrational, blind exclusion of all non-M$ products, the documentary does | Aug 27 15:32 |
| schestowitz | not bode well for Christian's DTP: | Aug 27 15:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/BBC-begins-work-on-open-source-documentary-series--/news/113750 | Aug 27 15:32 |
| schestowitz | It could be good or it could be more damning-through-faint-praise or | Aug 27 15:32 |
| schestowitz | downright M$ revisionism." | Aug 27 15:32 |
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| trmanco | I'm getting too old to see horror movies :| | Aug 27 18:06 |
| trmanco | some of them scare the crap out of me from time to time | Aug 27 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Why do people like being scared? | Aug 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I never got the hang of it | Aug 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Like people who cut their wrists or involve pain in their sex lives | Aug 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | People don't like fear | Aug 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | It's a defense mechanism | Aug 27 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Install Hive Rise in Ubuntu - Free RTS Game for Linux http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/08/install-hive-rise-in-ubuntu-free-rts.html | Aug 27 18:24 |
| trmanco | huh | Aug 27 19:10 |
| trmanco | it's over | Aug 27 19:10 |
| trmanco | people like movies like that because they don't let you get bored | Aug 27 19:11 |
| MinceR | http://www.cracked.com/article/79_the-5-most-embarrassing-failures-in-history-terrorism/ | Aug 27 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Seen it | Aug 27 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Schneier | Aug 27 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Put it in bn irc | Aug 27 20:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 27 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Stupid Mono gits | Aug 27 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of them! | Aug 27 22:30 |
| schestowitz | They try to incite people against me cause I warn people about Mono-light | Aug 27 22:30 |
| trmanco | please don't offend git | Aug 27 22:35 |
| trmanco | (the software) | Aug 27 22:36 |
| trmanco | :-P | Aug 27 22:36 |
| trmanco | btw | Aug 27 22:36 |
| trmanco | doesn't git mean stupid? | Aug 27 22:36 |
| trmanco | stupid mono stupids | Aug 27 22:37 |
| trmanco | :-P | Aug 27 22:37 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I posted a link here earlier | Aug 27 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Git means arseholes pretty much, not in the literal meaning | Aug 27 22:43 |
| *schestowitz back to using awn | Aug 27 22:44 | |
| trmanco | :D | Aug 27 22:44 |
| trmanco | awn? | Aug 27 22:44 |
| trmanco | you use a mac style doc? | Aug 27 22:44 |
| trmanco | calling them arseholes is now enough | Aug 27 22:45 |
| trmanco | not* | Aug 27 22:46 |
| trmanco | all I see is a bunch of cry babies whining | Aug 27 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Not Mac style | Aug 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Apple ripped people off | Aug 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Sub, nextstep, others | Aug 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | *SUN | Aug 27 22:56 |
| trmanco | n900 send the little closed iphone to the 1800 | Aug 27 22:57 |
| trmanco | sends* | Aug 27 22:57 |
| MinceR | http://www.mobile-t-mobile.com/mobile-network/iPhone-vs-Rock.html | Aug 27 22:58 |
| trmanco | :D | Aug 27 22:59 |
| *trmanco laughs | Aug 27 22:59 | |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's shiny in both cases | Aug 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | But the iPhone has wear and tear | Aug 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Also, stones never explode | Aug 27 23:34 |
| trmanco | a stone is better | Aug 27 23:37 |
| trmanco | better for self defense | Aug 27 23:37 |
| trmanco | if you throw a stone like that at a person, well... he might have to get some stitches :-P | Aug 27 23:38 |
| schestowitz | iPhone is too slick/sleek for that | Aug 27 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Like a shiny eel | Aug 27 23:40 |
| MinceR | well, if iGrenades were more reliable about when they exploded, they'd be better for self-defense | Aug 27 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ-zYombrmU&feature=channel | Aug 28 00:07 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1612 | Aug 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | QUOTE: | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/08/27/sharp_linux_arm_netbook/ | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/ | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | If the sharp netbook used the same guts but a 12", 13" or 14" screen and | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | correspondingly larger chassis, then there would be space for | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | substantial battery power. I'm not sure what gives there. The | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | manufacturers seem to be actively avoiding a 10-hour netbook. | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | The second link above goes to a marsupial netbook with internal space | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | for dongles. | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | ARM is not Intel, so Intel will fight. The purchase of WindRiver was | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | probably the first move there. Inefficient, slow software like M$ | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | products would be too slow for even the most loyal of Bill's True | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Believers, even if it could be ported to ARM in the first place. So M$ | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | will fight, too. Fortunately, these netbook makers can learn a lesson | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | from what happened to Negroponte and his OLPC. Forewarned is forearmed. | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 28 11:03 |
| MinceR | forewarned is four-armed? | Aug 28 12:25 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 28 12:35 |
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| schestowitz | Goro | Aug 28 12:53 |
| schestowitz | [from Mortal Kombat] | Aug 28 12:53 |
| MinceR | or thri-kreen from D&D | Aug 28 12:53 |
| schestowitz | seems like kentma is taking a break from USENET... | Aug 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Long time since I last saw him around... taking a break for the family? :-) Who knows.... | Aug 28 12:59 |
| schestowitz | "Two weeks ago, Adobe released a critical patch for Flash Player and Acrobat Reader. According to online security company Trusteer, about 80% of users are still vulnerable, and perhaps more startling, the company views this as being possibly the biggest security hole on the Internet today." | Aug 28 13:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/08/13/the-biggest-security-hole-on-the-web | Aug 28 13:01 |
| schestowitz | I still use an old version | Aug 28 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Screw FLash | Aug 28 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is filled with spam accounts and bots | Aug 28 13:02 |
| oiaohm | It is hard to top MS active x | Aug 28 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough Linux users are not as much of risk as windows users when it comes to flash. | Aug 28 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Under Linux flash does not run as a privelaged user. | Aug 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that why it's hardly updated, I reckon | Aug 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva doesn't patch it | Aug 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz | And Adobe has no auto-update AFAIK, not for *NUX anyway | Aug 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz | http://playstation2-linux.com/forum/message.php?msg_id=51038 | Aug 28 13:49 |
| schestowitz | "I’m sorry that you are frustrated by the lack of comment specifically regarding the withdrawal of support for OtherOS on the new PS3 slim. The reasons are simple: The PS3 Slim is a major cost reduction involving many changes to hardware components in the PS3 design. In order to offer the OtherOS install, SCE would need to continue to maintain the OtherOS hypervisor drivers for any significant hardware changes – this cos | Aug 28 13:49 |
| schestowitz | ts SCE. One of our key objectives with the new model is to pass on cost savings to the consumer with a lower retail price. Unfortunately in this case the cost of OtherOS install did not fit with the wider objective to offer a lower cost PS3." | Aug 28 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4JJqXISBiI | Aug 28 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndXVFi69Jb0&feature=related | Aug 29 12:26 |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 29 13:35:54 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Aug 29 13:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 29 13:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Aug 29 13:35 | |
| *#boycottnovell-social :[freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Aug 29 13:35 | |
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| schestowitz | Police riot notebooks reveal brutal use of shields against G20 protesters http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/aug/23/g20-protests-ian-tomlinson-police | Aug 29 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Against | Aug 29 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Not so much of a shield | Aug 29 16:22 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ << Passwords who needs password. | Aug 30 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | master password | Aug 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I have one password that unlocks all others | Aug 30 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I need to remember like 150 pwds otherwise | Aug 30 11:48 |
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| MinceR | apparently DaemonFC changed the topic when he saw that he lost. :> | Aug 30 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, let's not let him wash the channel with "WIndows" | Aug 30 19:27 |
| trmanco | and kde sucks | Aug 30 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, he does that | Aug 30 19:29 |
| trmanco | I'm willing to move to kde and arch linux when the new kernel comes out... | Aug 30 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't like banning people | Aug 30 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't think MinceR did the right thing | Aug 30 19:29 |
| trmanco | if everything goes as planned | Aug 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | But the troll never learns | Aug 30 19:30 |
| MinceR | i thought that's what you opped me for | Aug 30 19:30 |
| trmanco | hehe | Aug 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | After a while he gets too comfortable | Aug 30 19:30 |
| MinceR | well, if the troll never learns, why let him in ever? | Aug 30 19:30 |
| trmanco | I wasn't paying attention | Aug 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's OK | Aug 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | He had it coming sooner or later | Aug 30 19:30 |
| MinceR | why try over and over indefinitely? | Aug 30 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the heart to do it | Aug 30 19:32 |
| schestowitz | He's banned everywhere else | Aug 30 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Including his town where gay people are hated | Aug 30 19:32 |
| MinceR | we do we have to suffer his presence? | Aug 30 19:32 |
| MinceR | it's his own damn fault | Aug 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | He was born this way | Aug 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | The troll gene | Aug 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | They managed to isolate it | Aug 30 19:33 |
| MinceR | in that case, it's time to select for the absence of that gene. | Aug 30 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Evolutions ain't working | Aug 30 19:36 |
| schestowitz | THink about it | Aug 30 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Had gay been a gene that passes through generations, then reproduction rules don't work | Aug 30 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Same for trolling | Aug 30 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Or intelligence | Aug 30 19:36 |
| schestowitz | It's fascinating to think about DNA and longevity | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | We don't live for long cause it's not a survival-relatd gene | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Long life is not reproduction | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Populations that grow fast that those with least contraception | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Mortality aside | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | So in places like Sweden birth rated are low | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Deflating even | Aug 30 19:37 |
| schestowitz | No restoration/replacement of current populace | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Whereas other places evolve and reproduce more quickly | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Like in naure | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | *nature | Aug 30 19:38 |
| MinceR | Evolution worked pretty well before humans appeared. | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | So smart people tend to reproruce less | Aug 30 19:38 |
| MinceR | the problem is that our society creates an environment that selects for idiocy | Aug 30 19:38 |
| MinceR | see the movie Idiocracy. | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | This breaks a cycle where smart people are carried on in the chain | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Darwin award in reverse, in essence | Aug 30 19:38 |
| schestowitz | We go backwards in a way | Aug 30 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Humans break evolution rules | Aug 30 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Contraception and complexity | Aug 30 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Genes that make for longer life don't stay | Aug 30 19:39 |
| schestowitz | You can live to be 150, but that does not mean you'll pass your genes | Aug 30 19:39 |
| schestowitz | UNLESS | Aug 30 19:40 |
| schestowitz | There's polygamy | Aug 30 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Not that I advocate it | Aug 30 19:40 |
| schestowitz | but think about it from the POV of queen ant | Aug 30 19:40 |
| schestowitz | The whole notion that's demeaning to life | Aug 30 19:40 |
| MinceR | i don't believe in marriage | Aug 30 19:40 |
| schestowitz | From a biological perspective we're star dust and our purpose -- our body -- is an apparatus for spreading our DNA | Aug 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Once the DNA is spread (fertility) we might as well drop dead from Mother Natures's POV | Aug 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Sad reality | Aug 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Marriage does not exist in nature | Aug 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Matrimony may in general | Aug 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | But it's a social framework | Aug 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | That's why we broke evolution's nature | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Now we have digital lives too | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Artificial foods | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Chicken that we eat is treated like a part of a factory | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | On production lines, literally | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Animals are food | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Not peers | Aug 30 19:42 |
| schestowitz | And the religious POV is that everything around us is made FOR US | Aug 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | God is US | Aug 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | He looks like US | Aug 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | He gave US starts | Aug 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I.e. billions of 'Suns' | Aug 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | To light our way ythrough the forest | Aug 30 19:43 |
| schestowitz | On the 77777777th day, God created lamps.... massive hydrogen blobs light years away | Aug 30 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Mullen blasts US 'strategic communication' efforts in Afghanistan http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/28/mullen-afghanistan-communication | Aug 30 19:46 |
| trmanco | http://gonzalo.name/blog/archive/Mono/2009/Aug-30.html | Aug 30 22:35 |
| trmanco | oh what a decision engine | Aug 30 22:35 |
| trmanco | it doesn't even follow the fu*kin robots.txtx rules | Aug 30 22:35 |
| trmanco | what a piece of junk | Aug 30 22:35 |
| trmanco | .txt* | Aug 30 22:36 |
| MinceR | at m$, standards are something that happens to other people. | Aug 30 22:36 |
| MinceR | solution: block Bong by ip address range or user agent | Aug 30 22:36 |
| MinceR | or both | Aug 30 22:36 |
| trmanco | the only way 90% of the people would try to block it is through robots | Aug 30 22:37 |
| trmanco | and they don't get that right because all they wan't is content and being able to index stuff that google and other don't because the website tells them to do that | Aug 30 22:38 |
| trmanco | meh | Aug 30 22:38 |
| trmanco | ignore my last statement | Aug 30 22:38 |
| trmanco | it's not well written :| | Aug 30 22:38 |
| trmanco | must be the heat | Aug 30 22:39 |
| trmanco | 40ºc max around here today | Aug 30 22:39 |
| MinceR | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060315&mode=classic | Aug 30 22:39 |
| trmanco | LOL | Aug 30 22:40 |
| MinceR | (there are two more strips after this one) | Aug 30 22:40 |
| trmanco | ah | Aug 30 22:41 |
| trmanco | ok thanks | Aug 30 22:41 |
| trmanco | I didn't know that :| | Aug 30 22:41 |
| trmanco | yep, it pretty much sums it up | Aug 30 22:43 |
| *schestowitz tries to find RULE to ban Mono | Aug 30 23:22 | |
| trmanco | Rewrite Engine on | Aug 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Cartoon for Mar 15, 2006 http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060315&mode=classic | Aug 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Rewrite Engine MonO | Aug 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Rewrite Engine MonO# | Aug 30 23:23 |
| trmanco | mv mon0 /dev/null | Aug 30 23:25 |
| schestowitz | ERROR: can't allocate enough space for so much trash. Exiting. | Aug 30 23:31 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 30 23:33 |
| trmanco | I have ZFS | Aug 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | ZFS# is coming. I can feel it. | Aug 30 23:34 |
| trmanco | :O | Aug 30 23:35 |
| trmanco | there is now way they can do something like that | Aug 30 23:35 |
| trmanco | or is there? | Aug 30 23:35 |
| trmanco | zfs.exe has encountered error 0x5548755421545 while trying to start up! | Aug 30 23:36 |
| trmanco | zfs.exe is going expecting to freeze, if it does, please click the RESET button or if you don't have one, please unplug you computer! Thanks the Mono ZFS# team! | Aug 30 23:37 |
| trmanco | -going* | Aug 30 23:37 |
| trmanco | it would be a HD thrashing frenzy with a filesystem like that | Aug 30 23:38 |
| schestowitz | zfs.exe checksum needed | Aug 30 23:54 |
| schestowitz | it could be malware-infected | Aug 30 23:54 |
| schestowitz | trial versioin | Aug 30 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Wow. What great compliments I've just received! | Aug 30 23:57 |
| schestowitz | From a firlm producer | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > I just discovered your wiki. You are a force of nature. It's amazing | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > how prolific your team is. Congrats! | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_7_Reality_Log | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > I think that your wiki really elevates your work. You are consolidating | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > your work into one encyclopedic reference for your readers to explore in | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > a comprehensive fashion. I find that when I read your stuff, I often | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > need to follow several links to several pages, because you | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > cross-reference your work so readily. | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > I am amazed that you have been able to not only sustain yourself over | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > the time since I first came to know you, but you have actually expanded | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > and become something of a publishing house unto your own right. Truly a | Aug 30 23:58 |
| schestowitz | > respectable accomplishment. | Aug 30 23:58 |
| trmanco | great stuff | Aug 31 00:10 |
| schestowitz | He's good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmQZwP-cBQ&NR=1 | Aug 31 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | ==== | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, Roy, | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I got a laugh out of the vista 7 prompt: | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/vista-7-prompt.png | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | One improvement for non MSIE users would be transparent drop shadows. | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Its the same amount of work as needed for the one you made, but a | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | slightly different process: | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.w3.org/Graphics/PNG/inline-alpha.html | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.beastwithin.org/users/wwwwolf/graphtips/gimptutorials/layermaskfun.html | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | With all the nastiness that M$ insiders are causing outside the parent | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | company, it is time to get M$ categorized officially as a political | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | entity or mob. Not treating M$ as the political movement or organized | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | crime that it is leaves non-IT private sector and all of the public | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | sector unprotected. | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | There's no use trying to pretend that M$ is not a political movement: | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsofts-holds-weekly-screw-google-meetings-in-dc-report-2009-8 | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Unless it would be to point out that it is more fitting to call it a mafia." | Aug 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I got a response from 451... | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | "No hard feelings. All (or most) is fair in free and open source debate | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | and discussion. I did see the SFLC rebuttal, and myself actually tried | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | to provide some better context for BD's numbers and what they mean on | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | the licenses. I also try to provide some counter-perspective on the | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | 'decline of GPLv2,' which is nevertheless the license for the top FOSS | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | projects in enterprise use (MySQL and Linux) and newer software that is | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | gaining traction (Likewise, Puppet). Perhaps my headline was misleading, | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | but please don't lump me in with the crowd when I'm saying something | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | different. Thanks as always for participating." | Aug 31 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Next exhibit almost done now......... | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | "Hi Roy, | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Okay, here's what we did...(I'm a little tired, so if this all ends up looking like random rambling thoughts, I apologise)... | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | First, with the lists of names, the email addresses were unreadable for the most part. I made the decision to just leave them out. I was pretty sure you'd agree. They really serve no purpose and likely are no longer valid anyway, plus it's just not a good thing to do. If anyone wants those emails they can just use the original PDF and decipher them on their own, don't you think? | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Also, as we got past the first 6 pages we realized the next 7 pages were just repeats of the first half. For instance, pages 10 and 11 are duplicates of the "hit lists" on pages 4 and 5. It's due to each email containing prior emails and replies to replies, etc. So I'm just sending the first six pages. | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | We did use the Groklaw version as text for the non-"hit list" pages, but went through all of it to make sure it matched up, and to get rid of the formatting." | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | "Speaking of formatting...The "hit list" pages contain a lot of tabbing. We tried to just do them without tabbing, but it got too confusing to read (and to edit and proof), so we put the tabbing back. I hope this doesn't cause you a lot of extra work. | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Side note: This week we've been hit with power outages and brown-outs almost every afternoon..it's been very hot outside, well over 110 degrees, though it should be cooling off to 106 to 108 this next week. So I've had to dedicate my mornings to getting work done so we could power things down for the rest of the day. Also had one computer belly-up and spent two days getting it running again. So it's been a very hectic wee | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | k. | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Not looking for sympathy (we're used to desert summer temps), just wanted to let you know that when I asked for help doing this PDF, two helpers cheerfully stepped up and spent their Sunday morning on sorting out the "hit list". (I had to laugh when they told me they used to help Chris with Comes stuff too, I didn't realise they'd done that). I just thought it was really nice of them to give up their Sunday morning to help | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | out." | Aug 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | "I asked if they'd like attribution, but both said no. So, for this one, no attribution is necessary (not for me either), especially since everything but the two list pages were already done by a Groklaw volunteer... | Aug 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | ...But maybe give a nice "thank you" to the anonymous volunteers that worked hard on their day off to transcribe the "hit list" for you. They'll like that. | Aug 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Okay, I've rambled enough...the gedit file is attached...I'll be shutting things down here for a while, but will head over to BN IRC first to let you know I sent this... | Aug 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | :o) " | Aug 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Lots of groupwork. It's all cumulative. The good news is that we successfully derail Microsoft's attempt to befriend FOSS (Microsoft folks heckle me) and their profit fell by a third this Q and the previous one too. Every little helps. | Aug 31 17:30 |
| trmanco | anybody want a .eu domain for 0.10€? | Aug 31 17:41 |
| trmanco | only applies fro first year | Aug 31 17:41 |
| trmanco | for* | Aug 31 17:41 |
| schestowitz | eu? ewww..... | Aug 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Aug 31 17:49 |
| trmanco | :-P | Aug 31 17:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 31 17:50 |
| trmanco | right, you aren't from the eu :-P | Aug 31 17:50 |
| trmanco | hehe | Aug 31 17:50 |
| MinceR | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/8/31/iteration/ | Aug 31 17:51 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: .eu is arcane for ICANN | Aug 31 17:59 |
| schestowitz | .info is associated with spam sitees | Aug 31 17:59 |
| trmanco | hey | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | And all sorts of other 'bad' aliases | Aug 31 18:00 |
| trmanco | I have a .info | Aug 31 18:00 |
| trmanco | :| | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Well...... | Aug 31 18:00 |
| trmanco | and it's not a spam site | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Sure, sure... :-) | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Seriously thought.... | Aug 31 18:00 |
| trmanco | really | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Many spammers tend to choose particular name spaces | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | .cz | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | .cx | Aug 31 18:00 |
| trmanco | .cc | Aug 31 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 31 18:01 |
| schestowitz | .ru | Aug 31 18:01 |
| schestowitz | .info | Aug 31 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Proof Of Concept Skype Wiretapping Malware Released < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090828/1710246046.shtml > | Aug 31 18:01 |
| trmanco | http://www.securiteam.com/windowsntfocus/5TP0X0AS0S.html | Aug 31 18:09 |
| trmanco | tomorrow must be patch tuesday | Aug 31 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Not the second Tuesday of Sept? | Aug 31 18:21 |
| trmanco | nop | Aug 31 18:30 |
| trmanco | maybe it was patched last week | Aug 31 18:31 |
| schestowitz | ATL | Aug 31 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes, 1.5 weeks ago there was s/t | Aug 31 18:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=site%3Anetcraft.com+Pettyjohn&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Aug 31 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Re: view source - markup ok? | Aug 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | >> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/31/vista-7-sins-video/ | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > I think I see one of the problems. The double dashes got converted to | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > M-dashes and the quotes to "smart" quotes. | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > Thus | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > <!–#config sizefmt=”abbrev”–><br /> | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > should be | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > <!--#config sizefmt="abbrev--><br /> | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | > in order to work. | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Missed that. Thanks. Will validators even tolerate Ogg? | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | ^^^^^^^ my pages won't validate cause I actually use Ogg | Aug 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | All arse-backwards | Aug 31 19:10 |
| MinceR | huh? | Aug 31 19:53 |
| MinceR | they don't allow video elements or something? | Aug 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | xhtml5 | Aug 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple crapply nokia | Aug 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Ogg=BAD | Aug 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | "FIX YOUR HTML!" | Aug 31 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Put some mpeg4 | Aug 31 19:54 |
| MinceR | put some mpeg4 and pay up | Aug 31 19:55 |
| MinceR | there, fixed that for you ;) | Aug 31 19:55 |
| schestowitz | and w3c just got worse | Aug 31 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft co-chairs | Aug 31 20:02 |
| schestowitz | timbl lost control | Aug 31 20:02 |
| MinceR | i guess it's time to fork the web | Aug 31 20:04 |
| MinceR | or execute ballmer and jobs so that they can't corrupt more standardization organizations. | Aug 31 20:04 |
| schestowitz | "ms-align=8word pt;" | Aug 31 20:09 |
| schestowitz | <page chartype="ms-uni"> | Aug 31 20:10 |
| schestowitz | XAML.. | Aug 31 20:10 |
| trmanco | wtf | Aug 31 20:12 |
| trmanco | nasty | Aug 31 20:12 |
| trmanco | chartype? | Aug 31 20:12 |
| trmanco | wtf | Aug 31 20:12 |
| trmanco | that's xml with an A put in the midle | Aug 31 20:12 |
| trmanco | middle | Aug 31 20:12 |
| schestowitz | pseudo code | Aug 31 21:16 |
| trmanco | I also wonder what kind of "chartype" is "ms-uni" | Aug 31 21:25 |
| trmanco | is xaml even a standard? | Aug 31 21:26 |
| schestowitz | unicode | Aug 31 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Made uop | Aug 31 21:32 |
| schestowitz | To make a case | Aug 31 21:32 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no standard | Aug 31 21:32 |
| trmanco | I see | Aug 31 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Only Miguel/soft 'standard' | Aug 31 21:32 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 31 21:32 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC is [pretending to be] as stupid as ever | Aug 31 21:34 |
| schestowitz | He's annoying | Aug 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Tiem waster | Aug 31 21:35 |
| MinceR | yet you unbanned him again | Aug 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | If I wake up and see the channel with overnight cr*pflood from him, I don't bother even reading. | Aug 31 21:36 |
| MinceR | see, you're annoyed by his activity too | Aug 31 21:37 |
| trmanco | I'll stop :| | Aug 31 22:21 |
| trmanco | BS'ing lier | Aug 31 22:22 |
| trmanco | so | Aug 31 22:23 |
| trmanco | what your personal record on minimalist ram usage on linux? | Aug 31 22:23 |
| trmanco | with GUI? | Aug 31 22:23 |
| MinceR | i never really made an effort | Aug 31 22:23 |
| trmanco | I got about 30 MB of ram | Aug 31 22:24 |
| trmanco | no swap | Aug 31 22:24 |
| trmanco | :D | Aug 31 22:24 |
| trmanco | fully functional GUI | Aug 31 22:24 |
| trmanco | DSL | Aug 31 22:24 |
| trmanco | I did this at school and impressed the crap out some of my colleagues, about a year ago | Aug 31 22:24 |
| trmanco | ah silence | Aug 31 22:30 |
| trmanco | :> | Aug 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | 256mb on my second pc | Aug 31 22:47 |
| schestowitz | KDE 3.5 | Aug 31 22:47 |
| schestowitz | WOrks OK | Aug 31 22:48 |
| trmanco | :) | Aug 31 22:48 |
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