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| schestowitz | > Hey Roy, | Sep 01 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | > | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > Dave from FSDaily here. I'm sure you're aware that a lot of your stories | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > are being submitted to FSDaily... and that's great! | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > It looks like komrad uses your summaries as the descriptions for the | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > stories. I understand why he does this - it is easy to do and, with the | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > number of stories he submits, you would want submission to be easy. | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > However, I find a lot of your summaries a bit short and they don't do a | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > lot to summarise what the stories are about. In fact, your headlines are | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > often far more descriptive than your summaries. Some of your headlines | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > are so descriptive, in fact, that they don't fit in the space we allow | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > for headings. I've seen komard shorten quite a few of them. | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > So what I'm saying is: I think you might have your headlines and | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > summaries around the wrong way. I've even noticed komrad switch them | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > around. :D | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > So, having said this, is there any chance you could make your headlines | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > shorter and your summaries longer and more descriptive. | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > It's just some advice. But it would make the FSDaily submissions a | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | > little better for our readers to follow. | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Sure! | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | I usually try to keep summaries no more than one line that complements the title. I'll change that habit. | Sep 01 02:06 |
| schestowitz | Who the heck is "komrad"? | Sep 01 02:06 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 01 07:56 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 01 07:56 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Sep 01 07:56 | |
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| oiaohm | Ok who kicked the server. | Sep 01 14:22 |
| schestowitz | It's not accessible | Sep 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I doubt I can't do much without the admin, can I? He'll be awake soon (6:30am there) | Sep 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Funny think, even IBM asked about the downtime | Sep 01 14:28 |
| schestowitz | They seem to like the site, I guess | Sep 01 14:28 |
| oiaohm | IBM asking nice if they would host. | Sep 01 14:31 |
| oiaohm | There servers have 24 hour admins. | Sep 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | It would be odd for them | Sep 01 14:46 |
| schestowitz | They work with Novell | Sep 01 14:46 |
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| trmanco | http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/498495.html | Sep 01 15:03 |
| trmanco | wtf | Sep 01 15:03 |
| trmanco | look at that | Sep 01 15:03 |
| trmanco | microsoft should fear this | Sep 01 15:03 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, "they" knocked the server out again? | Sep 01 15:12 |
| MinceR | it's still just a winblows reimplementation | Sep 01 15:23 |
| trmanco | yes, but a free one | Sep 01 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They do some kde | Sep 01 15:31 |
| schestowitz | kde with cheap windows undrneath | Sep 01 15:31 |
| MinceR | free or non-free, it's still a world of shit | Sep 01 15:36 |
| MinceR | now i have to work with windows somewhat as part of my job | Sep 01 15:38 |
| MinceR | i forgot how much this shit sucked | Sep 01 15:38 |
| MinceR | i don't understand how people manage to get stuff done despite using windows | Sep 01 15:38 |
| MinceR | perhaps they use paper and pencil and then pretend to be using the computer | Sep 01 15:38 |
| MinceR | also, vmware sucks just as much as it did when i got tired of it and stopped using it | Sep 01 15:39 |
| schestowitz | I wonder when he wakes up usually..... | Sep 01 16:19 |
| schestowitz | I expected by 4pm gmt | Sep 01 16:19 |
| MinceR | who? | Sep 01 16:20 |
| schestowitz | tessier | Sep 01 16:22 |
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| schestowitz | Phew. Better when online | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Heavy load | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | 22 avg load | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Where does Lohr fit in? | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/credibility-index/ | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/vmware-vs-microsoft-its-about-more-than-the-plumbing/?th&emc=th | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | M$ lists him as uncategorized in 2000: | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/01/microsoft-mccarthyism/ | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Glad the site's back up. Great articles. | Sep 01 20:07 |
| schestowitz | ^QUOTE | Sep 01 20:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: DaemonFC is spewing bullshit again. | Sep 01 20:07 |
| trmanco | bam him | Sep 01 20:07 |
| trmanco | » | Sep 01 20:08 |
| trmanco | ? | Sep 01 20:08 |
| trmanco | ban* | Sep 01 20:08 |
| MinceR | i'm still for permbanning him | Sep 01 20:08 |
| trmanco | http://securethoughts.com/2009/08/pwning-opera-unite-with-infernos-eleven/ | Sep 01 20:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, I'd ragret it | Sep 01 20:27 |
| MinceR | why? | Sep 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *regret | Sep 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | DUnno | Sep 01 20:27 |
| MinceR | will he harrass you privately? | Sep 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I just doi | Sep 01 20:27 |
| MinceR | will the amount of m$ fanboys whining increase by more than 0.00001%? | Sep 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | He told me to f* off when I first banned him | Sep 01 20:27 |
| schestowitz | But he's still attached to us | Sep 01 20:28 |
| MinceR | that's a sign you should have left him banned | Sep 01 20:28 |
| MinceR | and told him "no, you fuck off" | Sep 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Just don't feed him | Sep 01 20:28 |
| MinceR | what you did only encourages him to keep trolling | Sep 01 20:28 |
| MinceR | someone will feed him | Sep 01 20:28 |
| schestowitz | He's wasting not only your time but also that of other people in the chan | Sep 01 20:28 |
| MinceR | or are you going to pull every visitor over to a holding room where you'll tell him not to feed the DaemonFC before proceeding to the main channel? | Sep 01 20:29 |
| MinceR | he's also wasting the time of those who read the logs | Sep 01 20:29 |
| MinceR | and that happens even if we all put him on ignore | Sep 01 20:29 |
| MinceR | the only way to handle a troll is by permbanning him | Sep 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | He's a troll | Sep 01 20:29 |
| MinceR | (unless you like more physical approaches, of course) | Sep 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | He'll always find feed ont he floor | Sep 01 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Under the bridge | Sep 01 20:29 |
| MinceR | which means he'll always keep crapflooding the channel | Sep 01 20:31 |
| MinceR | and the public logs | Sep 01 20:31 |
| MinceR | and he'll always keep us having to deal with it somehow | Sep 01 20:31 |
| MinceR | ignore, for example | Sep 01 20:31 |
| MinceR | who's that good for? | Sep 01 20:31 |
| MinceR | what good does that achieve, other than making a single troll feel a little better? | Sep 01 20:32 |
| MinceR | anyway, why should any of us care how that troll feels? | Sep 01 20:32 |
| trmanco | gmail is down | Sep 01 20:35 |
| trmanco | Server Error | Sep 01 20:35 |
| trmanco | The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request. | Sep 01 20:35 |
| trmanco | Please try again in 30 seconds. | Sep 01 20:35 |
| trmanco | the web interface isn't working :| | Sep 01 20:36 |
| MinceR | typical google product | Sep 01 20:36 |
| trmanco | they have a lot to handle | Sep 01 20:36 |
| MinceR | (web search and image search are the two atypical google product, in that they actually work) | Sep 01 20:36 |
| MinceR | they meddle in a lot of things they know nothing about | Sep 01 20:36 |
| MinceR | just because they want the data and they can throw a lot of money at it | Sep 01 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nothing is 100% resilient | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | BN was down for a third of a dau | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Ruined my work flaw | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | *flow | Sep 01 20:37 |
| MinceR | google earth has passed far beyond the 100% resilient part | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Freudian slip :-) | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Google Earth messes up with kwin for me | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Happend twice when I last ran it | Sep 01 20:37 |
| trmanco | it's not just kwin | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | WOrked fine for many times before that | Sep 01 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Now I'm afraid to run ge | Sep 01 20:37 |
| trmanco | any game/media that uses opengl will crap out | Sep 01 20:38 |
| trmanco | I use maps | Sep 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: metacity too? | Sep 01 20:38 |
| trmanco | I don't need to see stars or go under the sea | Sep 01 20:38 |
| trmanco | not sure | Sep 01 20:38 |
| trmanco | but it borks up with compiz fusion | Sep 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Ahhhhh.. | Sep 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Wel....... | Sep 01 20:38 |
| schestowitz | As you may know, COmpiz is notorious for being a hack | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | They improve it | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | So it would not surprise me if it's either-or | Sep 01 20:39 |
| trmanco | it might also happen with metacity | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Compiz is not all THAT mature | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | But 0,8 is near IIRC | Sep 01 20:39 |
| trmanco | f*ck | Sep 01 20:39 |
| trmanco | I have no email man :| | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | fsck? | Sep 01 20:39 |
| trmanco | grr | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Give it a go | Sep 01 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a bad sector | Sep 01 20:39 |
| trmanco | and I deactivated imap and pop :| | Sep 01 20:39 |
| trmanco | I need ssh access | Sep 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Loss of freedom | Sep 01 20:40 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 01 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Set up your own mail | Sep 01 20:40 |
| trmanco | I'll buy my own vps when I have the money | Sep 01 20:40 |
| trmanco | and stop relying in these cloud based services | Sep 01 20:41 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en | Sep 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Fog | Sep 01 20:41 |
| trmanco | today is 1 not 31 | Sep 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Let's call it fog :-) | Sep 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It helps mentally | Sep 01 20:41 |
| schestowitz | "My mail is stranded in some fog:" | Sep 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "I need to get out of the fog" | Sep 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "Fog makes car accidents" | Sep 01 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Shortens visibility | Sep 01 20:42 |
| trmanco | looks like it's been borked since yesterday | Sep 01 20:42 |
| trmanco | September 1, 2009 8:18:00 AM PDT | Sep 01 20:42 |
| trmanco | Google Mail service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users in the near future. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change. | Sep 01 20:42 |
| trmanco | August 31, 2009 11:28:00 AM PDT | Sep 01 20:42 |
| trmanco | Google Mail service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users in the near future. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change. | Sep 01 20:42 |
| trmanco | any news on this? | Sep 01 20:43 |
| trmanco | I can hear Redmond already shouting at people to come up with something and try to embarrass goog | Sep 01 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | They will | Sep 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Nothing in IDG yet | Sep 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | But wait, they have a "screw Google" team | Sep 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Matter of time... | Sep 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I think we should only 'use' Google to praise FS | Sep 01 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Same with IBM | Sep 01 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't care for them as vicious companies | Sep 01 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is at least almost totally FS-based | Sep 01 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is not far, either | Sep 01 20:50 |
| trmanco | http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/chrome-market-share-sept-2009/ | Sep 01 20:56 |
| trmanco | nety appies lie again | Sep 01 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Dug | Sep 01 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Duh | Sep 01 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Google is not a customer | Sep 01 20:57 |
| schestowitz | "For the last 30 days, here are my Google Analytics stats for mattcutts.com" | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | One site though | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't mean muich | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Remember Bong? | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | GLOBAL market share 3% | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Press talks US-only | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | WOrld=US | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I.e. Bong is seen as worthy | Sep 01 20:58 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 01 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Google commands like 90% of search worrldwide | Sep 01 20:58 |
| trmanco | net aplications made some post today stating that bung and pista7 are growing | Sep 01 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I saw that | Sep 01 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Just keep explosing them | Sep 01 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Don't cite them | Sep 01 20:59 |
| trmanco | the catch is that on the search engine pie chart you can see google has about 75%, everbody knows that those values are US only | Sep 01 21:00 |
| trmanco | same applies to there horrible OS share numbers | Sep 01 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I bet the trolls have already made up some story about the downtime | Sep 01 21:00 |
| trmanco | it's ÛS only and they wan't people to believe it's global | Sep 01 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Something about authorities/arrest/trojan/etc | Sep 01 21:01 |
| trmanco | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | Sep 01 21:02 |
| trmanco | fsck | Sep 01 21:02 |
| trmanco | Twitter is over capacity. | Sep 01 21:02 |
| trmanco | !!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!1111!!!111!!!!111 | Sep 01 21:02 |
| trmanco | it's already a trend on twitter | Sep 01 21:03 |
| trmanco | but I can't search | Sep 01 21:03 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 01 21:03 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23GmailDown | Sep 01 21:07 |
| schestowitz | twitter declines | Sep 01 21:11 |
| schestowitz | less twits and twitterers | Sep 01 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Says survey, BUT | Sep 01 21:11 |
| schestowitz | They had a lot of downtimes this month | Sep 01 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Likely related | Sep 01 21:11 |
| trmanco | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Sep-01-1.html | Sep 01 21:16 |
| trmanco | they just won't stop | Sep 01 21:16 |
| trmanco | they keep building apps, in sometimes good ones inns shitty programming language | Sep 01 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Let's not give it exposure | Sep 01 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Cant;' wait for Linux# | Sep 01 21:19 |
| schestowitz | And GNU# | Sep 01 21:19 |
| trmanco | any desktop app that requires a VM is pure shit | Sep 01 21:19 |
| trmanco | yes, even java | Sep 01 21:19 |
| trmanco | but there is a difference | Sep 01 21:19 |
| trmanco | in java we have useful applications, not like the shit mono apps, all they care is eye candy and useless apps | Sep 01 21:21 |
| trmanco | can you name a useful mono app? something actually innovative or something that we cannot live without | Sep 01 21:21 |
| trmanco | Gnome soon might b | Sep 01 21:21 |
| trmanco | e | Sep 01 21:21 |
| schestowitz | VM are good... FOR... | Sep 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | PRototyping and stuff | Sep 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Like MATLAB | Sep 01 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Nothing major uses Mono. Nothing irreplaceable. | Sep 01 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Luckily! | Sep 01 21:27 |
| trmanco | and java is still write once run everywhere | Sep 01 21:28 |
| trmanco | not like .net | Sep 01 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Well, 'everywhee' | Sep 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | "As long as we support it" | Sep 01 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Source code still restricted | Sep 01 21:31 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 01 21:36 |
| trmanco | right! | Sep 01 21:36 |
| trmanco | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/todays-gmail-problems.html | Sep 01 22:06 |
| trmanco | pft | Sep 01 22:06 |
| trmanco | it's back online | Sep 01 22:06 |
| trmanco | :D | Sep 01 22:06 |
| trmanco | I've had it with asay | Sep 01 22:13 |
| MinceR | join the club | Sep 01 22:23 |
| trmanco | :> | Sep 01 22:24 |
| schestowitz | HE lost it, IMHO | Sep 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Worse as time goes by | Sep 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | More t/w Apple, less t/w GPL | Sep 01 23:13 |
| schestowitz | He still runs an 'open source' blog | Sep 01 23:14 |
| schestowitz | And called a speaker for it *Shudder* | Sep 01 23:14 |
| MinceR | and once again we see the troll contradict his earlier statements | Sep 01 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Hhee. | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | == | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>>> Our server had a 8-hour downtime. I hope you got through to the Comes | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>>> post. | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>> Hi Roy, | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>> I don't post stories until servers quit having hairballs :) | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >>> Thanks for letting me know. | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | >> Thanks! I took 4 of us (3 in Arizona) to make it. :-) | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > Hmmm, what's that old saying about committees...the only form of life with | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > multiple tummies and no brain? | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > ;) | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > The article will run tomorrow morning. I about died laughing reading about our | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | > favorite ace journalist, Maureen O'Gara. Like duh! | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | I can see what PJ has been talking about. I have Microsoft employees (TEs) and others accuse me of stuff I _never_ do/did and even compare me to Unabomber and stuff (they quote known anti-Linux sites and trolls as though they were "Linux people"). I'm not sure whether to laugh or weep because some people subscribe to those lies and let the messenger be shot. | Sep 02 07:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghsdyZjf5yU&feature=related | Sep 02 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/microsoft_vs_the_world.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 "Earlier This Year, I Used To Receive The M$-Watch Newsletter. | Sep 02 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Now I Do Not, And When I Try To Subscribe To It, I Get The Message: | Sep 02 13:20 |
| schestowitz | "We were unable to register you for * Watch Newsletter, please click Back and try again." | Sep 02 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Anyone There ?" | Sep 02 13:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://lwn.net/Articles/350100/ (Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler) | Sep 02 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Con Kolivas still has not learnt leason yet. | Sep 02 13:22 |
| oiaohm | There is more to desktop than he is thinking. | Sep 02 13:22 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 02 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Audio video needs different treatment due to timing limits. | Sep 02 13:22 |
| oiaohm | His new scheduler is suitable for some embeded workloads. | Sep 02 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Not desktop. | Sep 02 13:23 |
| trmanco | looks great to far | Sep 02 13:23 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: I test the bugger against the evil of evil pulseaudio trmanco | Sep 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes it manages to make it break up perfectly under load. | Sep 02 13:31 |
| oiaohm | It too fair. | Sep 02 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Basically the desktop needs a highly bias sheduler. | Sep 02 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Most people are not aware that under Windows destkops the active window has the auto matic bias to gettting cpu time. | Sep 02 13:33 |
| trmanco | I was talking about kde 4.3 :-P | Sep 02 13:34 |
| trmanco | I need to put more native apps | Sep 02 13:34 |
| oiaohm | I thought you were talking about Con Kolivas | Sep 02 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Ok wires crossed. | Sep 02 13:34 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: this is more intresting than Con Kolivas work http://www.longene.org/en | Sep 02 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Its kinda a evil design. Windows emulation is a mircokernel hosted off the Linux kernel. | Sep 02 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Null pointers, one month later http://lwn.net/Articles/347390/ | Sep 02 13:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's going nowhere (unified) afaik | Sep 02 13:43 |
| oiaohm | I said interesting. | Sep 02 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Aye | Sep 02 13:44 |
| oiaohm | I did not say useful. | Sep 02 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Will go anywhere...? Doubtful | Sep 02 13:44 |
| schestowitz | . | Sep 02 13:44 |
| oiaohm | China has it way it will get there. | Sep 02 13:44 |
| schestowitz | reactos | Sep 02 13:44 |
| schestowitz | adopting kde4 now | Sep 02 13:45 |
| oiaohm | It based off reactos. | Sep 02 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Not really schestowitz | Sep 02 13:45 |
| schestowitz | ah | Sep 02 13:45 |
| schestowitz | which uses wine | Sep 02 13:45 |
| schestowitz | massive convergence | Sep 02 13:45 |
| schestowitz | and then there's samba and cups for apple | Sep 02 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Reactos don't want qt core. | Sep 02 13:45 |
| oiaohm | It was good advertisement for them. | Sep 02 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23 http://lwn.net/Articles/242768/ | Sep 02 13:46 |
| oiaohm | When you have read the history you understand what went wrong. | Sep 02 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Con Kolivas was too pig headed. | Sep 02 13:59 |
| oiaohm | and was not really a team player. | Sep 02 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Good design does not come from being solo. | Sep 02 13:59 |
| schestowitz | "Carpathia Hosting Acquires ServerVault" | Sep 02 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Just in | Sep 02 14:00 |
| schestowitz | A rep of their E-mailed me about it | Sep 02 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Boy | Sep 02 14:00 |
| schestowitz | "Ashburn, VA – September 02, 2009 – Carpathia Hosting, the leading provider of enterprise managed hosting services for enterprises and federal agencies, announced today it has acquired ServerVault, a Dulles, Virginia based managed hosting provider specializing in delivering the most secure, compliant hosting solutions to commercial enterprises and federal agencies." | Sep 02 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Any thoughts"? | Sep 02 14:01 |
| oiaohm | I would need a list of companys the USA goverments uses. | Sep 02 14:02 |
| oiaohm | We could be down to one storage company. | Sep 02 14:02 |
| schestowitz | So you think it extinguishes ServerVault? | Sep 02 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Not extinguishes. | Sep 02 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie ServerVault will remain around. But when it comes to comparing prices if everyone is owned by the same company its kinda not going to be fair. | Sep 02 14:06 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8232971.stm | Sep 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | And on the same day -- a Microsoft avert: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8232995.stm "By Maggie Shiels" surprise, surprise | Sep 02 14:09 |
| schestowitz | "Hi, Roy, I can't find the articles pointing to the large number of MSFTers hired | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | straight from MSFT into high positions 'assisting' top-level directors | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | in the ministry of education. However, I can find this: | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Finland joined as founder country in the Assessment and | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Teaching of 21st Century Skills project Australia, | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Finland, Portugal, Singapore and the UK respond to a call | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | to action issued by Cisco, Intel and Microsoft in January | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | 2009 to participate in the development of new approaches | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | to educational assessment to monitor more effectively | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | whether students are developing the skill sets required | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | to succeed in the global economy. | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | - From the Finnish | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | perspective, the project offers an opportunity to develop | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | teaching methods and learning environments and to enhance | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | pupils' creativity, social skills, innovativeness and | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | problemsolving skills, says Finland’s Minister of | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Education and Science, Henna Virkkunen. | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | More information | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | about the project can be found on www.atc21s.org | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.minedu.fi/OPM/?lang=en | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | probably not best to quote it, but to find ways to point out and prevent | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Wintel + Cisco in crushing education. They are the only three sponsors, | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | so it looks like a marketing campaign more than anything else." | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | "Regarding Argentina, there was a university-based linux distro famelix, | Sep 02 14:18 |
| schestowitz | what happened with it standing up against MSFTers?" | Sep 02 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | Another *Scale bought: http://www.pcworld.com/article/171147/emc_acquires_cloud_support_vendor_fastscale.html (EMC Acquires Cloud Support Vendor FastScale) | Sep 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | EMC swallows indexer Kazeon http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/emc_buys_kazeon/ | Sep 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Real sweepup | Sep 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Death of capitalist free market | Sep 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "Ironically, at least some of the changes were meant to improve Gmail's ability to stay online. But Google underestimated the load these changes would place on the routers when it took a relatively small number of servers offline for upgrades." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/google_explains_gmail_outage/ | Sep 02 16:43 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 02 16:49 |
| trmanco | kmail is great btw | Sep 02 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I've not used it in ages | Sep 02 17:10 |
| schestowitz | kde 3.1 | Sep 02 17:10 |
| schestowitz | do a kde4 review | Sep 02 17:10 |
| schestowitz | many sceenshots | Sep 02 17:11 |
| trmanco | I still have a lot to investigate | Sep 02 17:16 |
| trmanco | anybody know how to fetch pgp keys from knode? | Sep 02 20:13 |
| schestowitz | someone else's? | Sep 02 20:38 |
| schestowitz | put your pgp in knode settings | Sep 02 20:38 |
| schestowitz | use kpgp to set up your key | Sep 02 20:38 |
| schestowitz | import keychains if you have any | Sep 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | You need to put keys of those people to make use of them in knode | Sep 02 20:39 |
| trmanco | where do I put those keys? | Sep 02 20:53 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 02 21:03 |
| trmanco | had to install kleopatra | Sep 02 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Men far worse than women on password security < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/password_security_survey/ > | Sep 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Heh. K-leopatra | Sep 02 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | Just finished recarpeting the house... | Sep 03 13:32 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: How do you quote like you quote in knode? | Sep 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | ALT+T, B | Sep 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Highlight text first | Sep 03 14:48 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 03 14:50 |
| trmanco | won't work | Sep 03 14:50 |
| trmanco | I do have and "Add Box" option but it only adds one line | Sep 03 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Highlight text first | Sep 03 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Then add box | Sep 03 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I just skillfully use many shortcuts | Sep 03 15:19 |
| schestowitz | After years of practice :-p | Sep 03 15:19 |
| trmanco | just highlight? | Sep 03 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, before going to the menu | Sep 03 15:45 |
| trmanco | nop | Sep 03 15:57 |
| trmanco | won't work :| | Sep 03 15:57 |
| trmanco | I'll brb | Sep 03 15:57 |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 3 16:55:19 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 03 16:55 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 03 16:55 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Sep 03 16:55 | |
| trmanco | I'm tired of reading shit from these "pseudo-journalists" repeating the same bullshit over and over again about gmail | Sep 03 17:06 |
| trmanco | they are stupid enough just to mention that "gmail was down" without further investigation | Sep 03 17:07 |
| trmanco | only the web interface was down, IMAP and POP where always online... why do these "pseudo-journalists" insist that Gmail is only the web interface? | Sep 03 17:08 |
| schestowitz | You ask /ME/? | Sep 03 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I just caught another shillnalist | Sep 03 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Post coming... | Sep 03 17:12 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 03 17:17 |
| trmanco | I just asked to ask | Sep 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | will do | Sep 03 17:18 |
| MinceR | http://failblog.org/2009/09/03/sign-fail-16/ | Sep 03 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Chinese translation? | Sep 03 17:36 |
| trmanco | wow | Sep 03 19:30 |
| trmanco | http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/2070/portugal/presspass/media/fotos/cg1.jpg | Sep 03 19:30 |
| trmanco | this is the new ms manager for portugal | Sep 03 19:30 |
| MinceR | a succubus? | Sep 03 19:39 |
| schestowitz | F* Microsoft :-) | Sep 03 19:40 |
| MinceR | Screw Google and Fuck Microsoft! | Sep 03 19:44 |
| trmanco | what's a succubus? | Sep 03 19:45 |
| MinceR | a demon who takes the form of a woman to seduce men in dreams to have sexual intercourse | Sep 03 19:46 |
| MinceR | they draw energy from men to sustain themselves, often until the victim becomes exhausted or dies | Sep 03 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 03 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Diabolic Microsogt | Sep 03 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, these managers don't do much | Sep 03 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Other then admired | Sep 03 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Even presidents of nations | Sep 03 19:51 |
| schestowitz | It's the illusions | Sep 03 19:51 |
| trmanco | heh, I see, thanks for the detailed explanation | Sep 03 20:01 |
| MinceR | np | Sep 03 20:14 |
| schestowitz | scumbus | Sep 03 20:46 |
| schestowitz | aka "annual Microsoft employee day trip" :-) | Sep 03 20:47 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. post-doc positions in Oxford... tempting.. | Sep 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | I would like to draw your attention to two RA positions at our lab, part of our new Wellcome/EPSRC Centre of Excellence in Personalised Healthcare : | Sep 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Job: DF09056 | Sep 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Research Assistant in Development of Non-Rigid Registration for Tumour Localization and Tracking in Ultrasound Imaging | Sep 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Job: DF09054 | Sep 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Postdoctoral Research Assistant in 3D Ultrasound Image Analysis (Assessment of Tumour Response to Therapy) | Sep 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Time waster in BN channel. I'm going to ignore them... | Sep 04 08:49 |
| schestowitz | yuck: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/wheego-whip/ | Sep 04 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: let's not feed __C | Sep 04 13:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a Microsoft apologist. Scroll up | Sep 04 13:09 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 04 13:17 |
| MinceR | why didn't you kickban him then? | Sep 04 13:17 |
| schestowitz | He's not abusive troll | Sep 04 13:21 |
| schestowitz | mib* is Mutex | Sep 04 13:21 |
| schestowitz | he keeps quiet, watching... | Sep 04 13:21 |
| schestowitz | I'll give you op just in case | Sep 04 13:21 |
| MinceR | how can trolling possibly be non-abusive? | Sep 04 13:21 |
| MinceR | and if you do, am i expected to kickban the troll or am i expected to let him stay? | Sep 04 13:21 |
| MinceR | (i don't want a misunderstanding like last time) | Sep 04 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Mutex is the issue | Sep 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I exposed him when he came in | Sep 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | So he keeps silent | Sep 04 13:22 |
| MinceR | kickbanning is better than exposing | Sep 04 13:22 |
| MinceR | that way he'll stay silent forever | Sep 04 13:22 |
| MinceR | also, he won't be able to invite any troll buddies when some action is on | Sep 04 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | Don't ban anyone, MinceR | Sep 04 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Please | Sep 04 14:18 |
| schestowitz | But Mutex will speak later | Sep 04 14:19 |
| MinceR | ok | Sep 04 14:19 |
| schestowitz | He's less likely to speak with you as op | Sep 04 14:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 04 14:31 |
| schestowitz | ====== | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | The organizers will have to be *very* careful to screen for MSFTers and | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | posers. There are a large number (relative to the number of key | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | positions) of MSFT moles in the Finnish polytechnics. Many pose now as | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | FOSS "experts" but serve only to detect, delay or eliminate any FOSS | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | growth. | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Most are soft-spoken and snake-like. Many of these are full of all | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | kinds of M$ talking points. Most are simply quiet and ony smile and | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | nod pleasantly before scuttling off to warn their Redmond supervisors | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | and work to undermine any non-M$ deployments or discussions. | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | I got most angry with a stupid asshole two years who sat as head of a | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | business degree programme in S Finland for his bragging about recently | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | deciding to go 100% M$. His decision was based solely on a conversation | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | with the National M$ sales rep. Someone as incompetent in business as | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | that, not even a discount, shouldn't be in either business or in IT. | Sep 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | === | Sep 04 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Typical story | Sep 04 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft people as FOSS imposters spying and vilifying real FOSS people | Sep 04 14:39 |
| schestowitz | THe 'lefty' types | Sep 04 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Problem is those MS trouble makers make some people think people like me are bad. | Sep 04 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes, us | Sep 04 14:45 |
| schestowitz | That's what what they are trying to acheive | Sep 04 14:45 |
| oiaohm | I am a little worse off than you. | Sep 04 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Pollute FOSS from the inside | Sep 04 14:45 |
| oiaohm | When I am being truthful about linux flaws I get called to be one of them. | Sep 04 14:45 |
| oiaohm | When I am not. | Sep 04 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that too | Sep 04 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Inability to detct shills | Sep 04 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft bribes did this to blogs | Sep 04 14:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/28.html | Sep 04 14:46 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/632/ | Sep 04 14:47 |
| oiaohm | The other part of the problem is I view what is happening in like 10 year windows. | Sep 04 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Nothing MS is currently doing will save them. | Sep 04 14:48 |
| schestowitz | is this new? | Sep 04 14:51 |
| schestowitz | http://xkcd.com/612/ | Sep 04 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly new. Remember the Apple adds against IBM. | Sep 04 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Now think what MS is trying to do to Linux. | Sep 04 14:52 |
| schestowitz | "You might have snagged this already too, but JIC, here's what struck me as a very rational explanation that clarifies the risks associated with using Mono. | Sep 04 15:19 |
| schestowitz | I'm really naive re the history/origins of various OSS projects, so I found this to be very educational. | Sep 04 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Health Check: Mono by Richard Hillesley | Sep 04 15:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Health-Check-Mono--/features/114041 | Sep 04 15:19 |
| schestowitz | ...and good luck re your post-doc." | Sep 04 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | you can kick the mutex tme waster | Sep 04 16:22 |
| schestowitz | <__c> you're possibly incorrect, you know. Have just read the past 2-3 pages of conversation, and he doesn't seem to be admitting anything of the sort. | Sep 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | <__c> also, consider that it's this sort of behaviour that people tend to point to when they draw out the crazy-paranoid card. | Sep 04 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Seems like they know each other, MAYBE | Sep 04 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-02-008-35-OS-BZ-MS-0010 | Sep 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | What is this...? | Sep 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I've nothing to do with that "astralknight" person and I have no idea what Rainer is doing or showing. | Sep 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | This is even more weird: | Sep 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-02-008-35-OS-BZ-MS-0008 | Sep 04 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I also noticed some people leaving comments under my names (cursing helios for example) and some other leaving comments with boycottnovell as their homepage. This is all very weird... | Sep 04 21:49 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> yo | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> 22:46 <@MinceR> yes, because he should have thrown grenades | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> that was on the topic of Ballmer in Hungary | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> I wouldn't give him ops, he's a hot-head | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> He's bad for BN | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> He finally banned me | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | <balzac> Roy, your work is too important to give a temperamental bomb-thrower like Mincer status in your channel | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I agree with balzac on this one | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | What are you doing? | Sep 04 23:59 |
| MinceR | i banned him because he kept trolling | Sep 04 23:59 |
| MinceR | i think it was quite obvious | Sep 04 23:59 |
| MinceR | but i guess i'll think about leaving | Sep 04 23:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm catcing up | Sep 04 23:59 |
| MinceR | i'm not really all that interested in reading the crapflood of brainless trolls like DaemonFC, balzac and mutex all day. | Sep 05 00:00 |
| MinceR | i can find better uses for my time. | Sep 05 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Let me see what he said | Sep 05 00:00 |
| schestowitz | But balzac is not a troll | Sep 05 00:00 |
| MinceR | well, what is he then? | Sep 05 00:00 |
| MinceR | he kept goading me into banning him quite bluntly | Sep 05 00:01 |
| MinceR | he had it coming. | Sep 05 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh........ | Sep 05 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Sep 05 00:01 |
| schestowitz | I see now | Sep 05 00:01 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Sep 05 00:02 | |
| schestowitz | Bah | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Trolls... | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Sep 05 08:20 | |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> hey roy | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> this guy said someone should die | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> he needs to go | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> after being told how horrible he is | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> if only I had op | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> gah;) | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | <neighborlee> or at least remove his voice | Sep 05 08:20 |
| schestowitz | "I discovered this while trying to find out who AstralKnight was. I also discovered that you are under constant personal and insulting attacks from a variety of Windows fanbois. About a dozen of them are so persistent and spread such vicious rumors I am wondering if they are MS Technical Evangelists assigned specifically to you to salt rumor mills and plant bogus emails and postings which are then later "linked" to you by | Sep 05 08:37 |
| schestowitz | others of the group using bogus analysis." | Sep 05 08:37 |
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| Guest66237 | Why miss out? | Sep 05 12:22 |
| Guest66237 | To see all the new Yahoo! home page has to offer, please upgrade to a more recent browser. | Sep 05 12:22 |
| Guest66237 | Supported browsers include: | Sep 05 12:22 |
| Guest66237 | Sep 05 12:22 | |
| Guest66237 | Internet Explorer 7 optimized by Yahoo! | Sep 05 12:22 |
| Guest66237 | Firefox 3 | Sep 05 12:22 |
| Guest66237 | Safari 3 | Sep 05 12:22 |
| Guest66237 | Opera 9 | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Guest66237 | Flock | Sep 05 12:23 |
| Guest66237 | wtf | Sep 05 12:23 |
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| trmanco | ah | Sep 05 12:23 |
| trmanco | something weird was going on | Sep 05 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is useless | Sep 05 12:31 |
| trmanco | interesting thing is that hotmail works with konquerer | Sep 05 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | Hotmail works?? | Sep 05 12:44 |
| MinceR | yahoo! is a m$ drone now | Sep 05 12:45 |
| schestowitz | yahoo! is! a ms! drone! now! | Sep 05 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Optimized by Yahoo | Sep 05 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Does add a good spy on user feature. | Sep 05 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft laying off 27 employees in Redmond and Bellevue.... | Sep 05 13:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it doesn't say WHO it's optimisd for | Sep 05 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Yahoo alway has added a internet cache software to IE schestowitz | Sep 05 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Goes back to the first IE. | Sep 05 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Nice it provides log recording for yahoo as well. | Sep 05 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Natalia Estemirova, champion of ordinary Chechens < http://www.opendemocracy.net/russia/article/natalia-estemirova-champion-of-ordinary-chechens > | Sep 05 13:41 |
| trmanco | yes hotmail just works | Sep 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | "Natalia Estemirova was Chechnya's great champion of human rights until her kidnap and murder last month. " | Sep 05 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/8860560@N02/3607026435/sizes/l/ | Sep 05 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Watch the images here:http://bwc.blenderartists.org/2009/history.php | Sep 05 13:54 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.opendns.com/2009/08/31/opendns-amsterdam/ | Sep 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | > Re: Roy, this lookup found 352 domains sharing your IP address | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | "> http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/web-sites-on-web-server/ | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > I guess some lookups are better than others. This one took about 2 | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > minutes before it returned results. | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. Yes, it's s shared server. | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I still don't know what's going on. Also, there's this wave of traffic taking down BN. Always been weird..." | Sep 05 19:03 |
| schestowitz | > see if you recognize any of the 206 or more domain names that share your IP address and from which it would be easy to launch spoofed emails. | Sep 05 19:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ip-adress.com/reverse_ip/84.18.207.66 | Sep 05 19:04 |
| schestowitz | There's some spoofers | Sep 05 19:04 |
| trmanco | http://roflrazzi.com/2009/09/05/celebrity-pictures-rowan-atkinson-single-word/ | Sep 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | oh "MR.Been" | Sep 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't do the script afaik | Sep 05 22:07 |
| MinceR | Bean. | Sep 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Bean Been Funny | Sep 05 22:08 |
| trmanco | Bean* | Sep 05 22:08 |
| MinceR | and that's just a fictional character he played/plays. :> | Sep 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Black Adders was rubbish | Sep 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Another one was the "fine blue line" or something | Sep 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Crappy British comedies with Atkinson | Sep 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He's better off when he shuts up, I guess | Sep 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/sony-defaults-to-google-chrome/ | Sep 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Google problematic too | Sep 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Future-looking | Sep 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Bribes for inclusion | Sep 05 22:09 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen much of Blackadder yet, but what i have, i liked. | Sep 05 22:10 |
| schestowitz | ETech 09: Mary Lou Jepsen, "Low-Cost, Low-Power Computing" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0ZaHy7k6w4&feature=PlayList&p=6B1E09178C742C4C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3 | Sep 05 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/tech/83C4710E299C3A1BCC257623001997DC | Sep 05 22:14 |
| schestowitz | ---------------- | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Short, incoherent note... | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | This has happened before several times? | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/04/false-associations/ | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I went off on some assholes on the user list, | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?listName=users&by=date&from=2009-09-01&to=2009-09-30&first=1&count=136 | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | some trying to push OOo down the same hole that MSO 2007 fell into. (Is | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | the "ribbon" patented?) | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Matthias Brauer and Dotan Cohen, for example. There are a few others, | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | promoting M$ and M$ "Research" as the model to follow. | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | There was 1 user "Thomas27" who then linked to some scam site as a | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | "protest" petition. The petition gather an unreasonable amount of | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | personal information, which some idiots might provide. The links and | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | ads on the petition site go to fake, anti-OOo sites. | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | IMHO OOo got trolled so as not to take advantage of the short window | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | when MSO was banned. | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | The messages and the timing might give some clue as to the DDOS. | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | -------- | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | unquote | Sep 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Sep 06 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | <tessier> What version of wordpress are you running? Everything up to date? I see scary warnings of wordpress exploits on slashdot. | Sep 06 08:04 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Yes, 2.8.4 | Sep 06 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: ping* | Sep 07 00:43 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: pong | Sep 07 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Please paste here what I missed. Thanks! :-) | Sep 07 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Migraton was VERY successful, but tedious | Sep 07 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Loads of stuff to rerun | Sep 07 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Like fetching and compiling like 6 separate perl modules to run twitfolk | Sep 07 02:20 |
| trmanco | not much | Sep 07 02:22 |
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| trmanco | [11:11] *** The topic was set by schestowitz on 03/16/09 02:04 am. | Sep 07 02:23 |
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| trmanco | [11:12] *** This channel was created on 03/16/09 01:21 am. | Sep 07 02:23 |
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| trmanco | [19:31] <trmanco> is that cj? | Sep 07 02:23 |
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| trmanco | that all | Sep 07 02:23 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 07 02:23 |
| trmanco | I asked if __c was cj | Sep 07 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Connection trouble trmanco | Sep 07 02:27 |
| trmanco | oiaohm: ? | Sep 07 02:28 |
| oiaohm | I was downloading something heavy and freenode timed me out. | Sep 07 02:28 |
| trmanco | I just pasted the log so that schestowitz could see what happened | Sep 07 02:28 |
| oiaohm | 11:35 was a funny one. | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Could be | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Not based on IP | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | He's in Africa | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | KDE network handling is versatile but confused me | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Complex for some | Sep 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | If it wasted one hour of me banging head on table (not literally) | Sep 07 02:30 |
| trmanco | the network here just works | Sep 07 02:30 |
| schestowitz | pgp is a tricky one to resotre | Sep 07 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Also passwordless logins | Sep 07 02:30 |
| schestowitz | Keys and all confuse me | Sep 07 02:30 |
| schestowitz | I need this for newsgroup access | Sep 07 02:30 |
| oiaohm | Be thinkful you are doing networking on KDE 4.3 KDE 4.2 is worse they fixed a few important things. | Sep 07 02:32 |
| schestowitz | I've cracked SSH :-) | Sep 07 02:34 |
| trmanco | :O | Sep 07 02:35 |
| trmanco | openssh 0-day | Sep 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | private: | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | "M$ will make a lot of noise soon, it's been too quiet. Some of the | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | trolling feels more like reconnaissance than anything else. | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | It may be good to have a number of packets to drop. If nothing else, | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | this will be good when the consoel shopping season starts at the end of | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | novemeber: | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/TV_theater/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219501312&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | There have been a lot of house and apartment fires from xbox | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | powersupplies, a list of those would be handy then, too. | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | I know there were some house or apartment fires in Sweden however cannot | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | find them. The search work 'xbox' is embedded in nearly every web page | Sep 07 03:56 |
| schestowitz | as an advert." | Sep 07 03:56 |
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| schestowitz | The effect of economic recessions on population health < http://www.physorg.com/news170941437.html > | Sep 07 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Ashcroft Can Be Held Accountable For Post-9/11 Wrongful Detention, Court Rules http://www.aclu.org/safefree/detention/40928prs20090904.html | Sep 07 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | QUOTE: | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | "I'm not so sure about this. M$'s stock has been flat since 2002, despite continuous stock buy-backs by the company. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | To a large extent, M$'s story is the story of the PC. Until netbooks, there had been no significant incursion on the PC biz by a competitor. As the PC market goes, so goes Microsoft. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | --emerging markets: people there don't pay for M$ Windows. M$ has to figure out how to do that without lowering the price too terribly on its flagship Office & Windows products. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | --smartphones: M$ does not own this market, and the smartphone market is moving toward convergence with netbooks, which could either be really good for Microsoft, or really bad. Really good if M$ is able to leverage its desktop monopoly outward to the smartphone market; really bad if not. Right now, M$ has no hold over the cell phone makers, but it is forcing itself on Verizon wireless & ATT through the netbooks they are s | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | elling. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | --netbooks: As I just mentioned, M$ has forced itself on netbook makers, but new netbook makers sprout up continuously. Netbooks are an entry point for manufacturers, and new entrants have no love of Microsoft, as M$ tends to support and corrupt the market leaders. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| schestowitz | --Dell and HP continue to experiment with Linux on netbooks. I think they do it to get leverage with M$, but as M$ sinks, their demands on M$ will get greater and greater. M$ demanded great portions of the net profit for these computer makers, and they are eager to return the favor." | Sep 07 19:56 |
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| trmanco | I just love my desktop :D | Sep 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* --- > | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Regarding the future of Windows, Jobs and others have been quoted as MS | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | not being able to copy either quickly or well. So I wonder if the | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | parties or the Vista7 packages themselves might include donor cards for | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | full organ harvesting and medalert braclets stamped with the Windows | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | logo and DNR orders. | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532383/host-windows-launch-party | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, same here | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | It's like it's reborn (the desktop) | Sep 07 21:11 |
| trmanco | :-) | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | CPU and RAM are better used.. GPU also... looks better, boots in half a minutes and so on | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | *minute | Sep 07 21:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | Sep 07 21:12 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the piece on xbox failure. It would be nice to include a | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | link or two about Wii and PS2 eating the xbox lunch. | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | BN doesn't get many comments since requiring registration | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | But it means almost no trolling, either | Sep 07 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Keeps low temoerature in the site] | Sep 07 21:12 |
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| trmanco | did you get this schestowitz | Sep 07 22:09 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> " | Sep 07 22:09 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> After installing and running Windows 7 in a netbook with a Atom CPU and 1GB | Sep 07 22:09 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> RAM it become obvious that the CPU is too weak, the system felt sluggish, | Sep 07 22:09 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> and after loading the AV, IM, VoIP, and Music Player, my default minimum, | Sep 07 22:09 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> little RAM is left for anything else and swapping ensues. Note that Windows | Sep 07 22:10 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> 7 was running trimmed down, no Aero, and several unneeded services | Sep 07 22:10 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> disabled. On the same machine Mandriva 2010.0 Cooker (still in Alpha) was | Sep 07 22:10 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> very snappy even with some nice 3D desktop effects and lots more stuff | Sep 07 22:10 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> running. | Sep 07 22:10 |
| trmanco | [20:58] <trmanco> " | Sep 07 22:10 |
| MinceR | so still no miracles, huh? :> | Sep 07 22:10 |
| trmanco | nope | Sep 07 22:12 |
| MinceR | http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/13186/203700.aspx http://healthbase.netbase.com/ | Sep 07 22:16 |
| MinceR | hm, too few people here | Sep 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, got it | Sep 07 22:55 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 07 22:55 |
| trmanco | that was on cola | Sep 07 22:55 |
| trmanco | from lusotec | Sep 07 22:55 |
| trmanco | he is also portuguese I think | Sep 07 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 07 22:56 |
| trmanco | so how is knode working for yo now? | Sep 07 22:59 |
| schestowitz | The new knode chops URLs | Sep 07 23:02 |
| schestowitz | To 'help' by keeping them shortened to line wrap | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | This is annoying | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | it breaks the URLs | Sep 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | And I can't disable this behaviour | Sep 07 23:03 |
| trmanco | yeah, I noticed that too | Sep 07 23:03 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/tb/9hypc | Sep 07 23:04 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 07 23:05 |
| trmanco | http://imgrr.com/x/pcvmacevol.jpg | Sep 07 23:07 |
| MinceR | what's the point of this pic? | Sep 07 23:09 |
| trmanco | where can I find that quote "our products are just no engineered for security"? | Sep 07 23:11 |
| trmanco | or something like that | Sep 07 23:11 |
| trmanco | ping schestowitz | Sep 07 23:14 |
| MinceR | it was at http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/05/020905hnmssecure.html | Sep 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | now that's 404 | Sep 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | but what did we expect from IDG? | Sep 07 23:16 |
| trmanco | just the original quote will do | Sep 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting for WaybackMachine | Sep 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | it's supposed to be at http://web.archive.org/web/20080209124930/http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/05/020905hnmssecure.html | Sep 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | indeed, there it is | Sep 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | WaybackMachine 1 : IDG 0 | Sep 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | "I'm not proud," Valentine said, as he spoke to a crowd of developers here at the company's Windows .Net Server developer conference. "We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers ... Our products just aren't engineered for security." | Sep 07 23:18 |
| trmanco | thanks | Sep 07 23:18 |
| MinceR | yw | Sep 07 23:19 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why this channal as well? | Sep 07 23:21 |
| trmanco | for social purposes | Sep 07 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: such as? | Sep 07 23:21 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I solved it | Sep 07 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Go to the menu in the compose windows | Sep 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Disable word wrap | Sep 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | It's independent from global options | Sep 07 23:22 |
| trmanco | but that sucks | Sep 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Change it once, it seems to fix it | Sep 07 23:22 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 07 23:22 |
| trmanco | cool, thanks for sharing | Sep 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm still experimenting | Sep 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | My posts today will show variations | Sep 07 23:22 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: we use this channel if there's DDOS | Sep 07 23:23 |
| schestowitz | It's more private | Sep 07 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what's DDOS? | Sep 07 23:23 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 07 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | Denial of service | Sep 07 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | attacks | Sep 07 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Sep 07 23:23 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 07 23:23 |
| trmanco | of troll crap | Sep 07 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | the other D stands for Distributed I think | Sep 07 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | this channal is also publically logged according to the topic | Sep 07 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I think only one log per day goes up on the site? | Sep 07 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: I have heard about trolls, but since using the channal, I haven't seen any | Sep 07 23:25 |
| trmanco | well, that means you haven't been there at those times | Sep 07 23:26 |
| trmanco | there hasn't something like that in a while | Sep 07 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Sep 07 23:27 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.jasondonenfeld.com/190 | Sep 08 10:39 |
| trmanco | hahaha | Sep 08 10:50 |
| trmanco | who want a remote bsd bug? | Sep 08 10:50 |
| trmanco | bsod* | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | for Vista/7 | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | I. VULNERABILITY | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | ------------------------- | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | Windows Vista/7 : SMB2.0 NEGOTIATE PROTOCOL REQUEST Remote B.S.O.D. | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | V. BUSINESS IMPACT | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | ------------------------- | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | An attacker can remotly crash without no user interaction, any Vista/Windows | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | 7 machine with SMB enable. | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | Windows Xp, 2k, are NOT affected as they dont have this driver. | Sep 08 10:51 |
| trmanco | http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Sep/0039.html | Sep 08 10:54 |
| schestowitz | bsd bug? | Sep 08 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Got me worried there for a sec | Sep 08 10:54 |
| schestowitz | openbsd esp. | Sep 08 10:55 |
| trmanco | typo | Sep 08 10:55 |
| schestowitz | bsod | Sep 08 10:55 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 08 10:55 |
| trmanco | forgot the O | Sep 08 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Remote!! | Sep 08 10:55 |
| schestowitz | LMAO! | Sep 08 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Back to Win95 | Sep 08 10:55 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 08 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Ping crash | Sep 08 10:55 |
| trmanco | so I can just run that python script and crash a computer from far away without even knowing the guy/(gal | Sep 08 10:55 |
| trmanco | so much for windows security | Sep 08 10:56 |
| trmanco | today might be patch tuesday | Sep 08 10:56 |
| trmanco | but not even 50% will update today, so I would consider it critical | Sep 08 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Ha. This is a huge PR gaffe | Sep 08 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Let's tell damon that if he uses Vista 7 we'll take him down ;-) | Sep 08 10:59 |
| schestowitz | I got him IP [sracarm here] | Sep 08 11:00 |
| schestowitz | *daemon | Sep 08 11:00 |
| trmanco | it's not just 7 | Sep 08 11:02 |
| trmanco | or vista | Sep 08 11:02 |
| trmanco | even the server version is vulnerable | Sep 08 11:02 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/browse_thread/thread/f985bb08956a42ba# | Sep 08 13:18 |
| trmanco | just digging down some stuff | Sep 08 13:18 |
| trmanco | "All Gates has to do now is buy 51% of Novell, we all go back to the stone | Sep 08 13:19 |
| trmanco | age." | Sep 08 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Yikes | Sep 08 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Even Server | Sep 08 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 08 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Bill Gates bought influence in Novell | Sep 08 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Didn't cost him much, either | Sep 08 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Same with Yahoo! | Sep 08 13:21 |
| MinceR | why would we go back to the stone age? | Sep 08 13:24 |
| trmanco | google groups search is b0rked | Sep 08 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Sep 08 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Been happening sporadically for years | Sep 08 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | quote | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | "Back in the 90s, IBM lost the battle for dominance in the email and | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | calendaring server arena with Lotus Notes and the back-end Domino | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | server that drives it. For reasons that don’t matter now, Microsoft | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | stole the market from under its nose" | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/07/vista_lotus_branding/ | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Post a msg there informing of why it does matter .... | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Lotus_Exhibits | Sep 08 13:40 |
| schestowitz | /quote | Sep 08 13:40 |
| trmanco | I was about to post the link on cola of ms's fail | Sep 08 13:57 |
| trmanco | but I've seen that you already did | Sep 08 13:58 |
| MinceR | http://failblog.org/2009/09/08/lazy-fail/ | Sep 08 13:58 |
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| trmanco | LOL | Sep 08 14:03 |
| MinceR | http://cdn-1.muchosucko.com/production/asset/thumb/063/904//sketchartist.jpg | Sep 08 14:04 |
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| trmanco | :> | Sep 08 14:14 |
| MinceR | http://keep4u.ru/imgs/b/2009/09/08/8b/8bd15726cd4b7469eedeae8665d13ea7.jpg | Sep 08 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | === | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Congrats, Roy. Look at the text in the graphic: | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | http://notnews.today.com/2009/09/04/microsoft-arranges-spontaneous-house-parties-for-windows-7-launch/ | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | BTW for those of us who don't watch TV or even hang out with those who | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | do, what's the context for the last line of text there? | Sep 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | ==== | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | >> Post a msg there informing of why it does matter .... | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | >> >> http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Lotus_Exhibits | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | > > Too late now... | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | It matters because there are people continually polluting the record. | Sep 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | We have to inject the TRUTH back in .... | Sep 08 17:08 |
| trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/yahoos-ceo-carol-bartz-selling-out-2-million-yhoo-shares-sold-25322 | Sep 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Bartzmer... | Sep 08 18:02 |
| trmanco | those tweets are not from marti | Sep 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | the translate to this | Sep 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | "After nearly 10 long years, I finally love. Have a nice guy bullchat.nl met. We clicked immediately." | Sep 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | "It is so nice to finally have sex again and longed to be. I'd forgotten how it felt." | Sep 08 18:08 |
| trmanco | stupid twitter xss attacks | Sep 08 18:09 |
| trmanco | meh | Sep 08 18:15 |
| trmanco | I was wrong | Sep 08 18:15 |
| trmanco | it is him :S | Sep 08 18:15 |
| trmanco | he his posting from twitux | Sep 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://bigbrovar.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/get-thunderbird-to-minimizing-to-tray-instead-of-closing/ | Sep 08 18:26 |
| trmanco | http://archlinux.me/dusty/2009/09/07/introducing-arch-bounty/ | Sep 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it's a good things the trolls don't speak Dutch | Sep 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Except a few who don't follow the IRC logs | Sep 08 18:27 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 08 18:27 |
| trmanco | there is always google translate | Sep 08 18:27 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | "Although this is still only Alpha 5 of Karmic Koala, Kubuntu NBR feels very, very stable. Unlike the constant crashes of ‘Window Picker Applet’ that the netbook proper version seem to dish out on schedule, Kubuntu feels like a finely tuned release already." | Sep 08 18:28 |
| trmanco | I don't use thuderbird anymore | Sep 08 18:28 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Wait. | Sep 08 18:29 |
| schestowitz | This is alpha? :-) | Sep 08 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I must be doing something wrong. It feels like final. | Sep 08 18:29 |
| trmanco | if you installed alpha one you wouldn't be saying that | Sep 08 18:34 |
| trmanco | usually the first alphas have dependency problems | Sep 08 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I see.... | Sep 08 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Well, no shot-stoppers here and NOT EVEN quirks! | Sep 08 18:40 |
| schestowitz | *show | Sep 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Bugs that I file are wishlist | Sep 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Rednering can also be improved in a few places | Sep 08 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Konversation is totally reliable and stable despite being a beta | Sep 08 18:42 |
| trmanco | alpha | Sep 08 18:42 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 08 18:42 |
| trmanco | konversation 1.2 is still in alpha stage and it doesn't look like it is | Sep 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | alpha6 | Sep 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | True | Sep 08 18:42 |
| trmanco | I still have alpha4 | Sep 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Just checked | Sep 08 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | You use it? | Sep 08 18:43 |
| trmanco | the ppa has not been updated yet | Sep 08 18:43 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Do you get the lines separator working | Sep 08 18:43 |
| trmanco | of course I do :-P | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I spent a long time trying | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | It never shows up | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I changes some settings, but nothing | Sep 08 18:43 |
| trmanco | I fail to understand the usefulness of that... | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | If you move between tasks | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | And you come back | Sep 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | To see where you left off and what was said | Sep 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Like a bookmark | Sep 08 18:44 |
| trmanco | hmm | Sep 08 18:44 |
| trmanco | xhcat did that I think | Sep 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | The option is here in konv | Sep 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Has no effect though | Sep 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | "Marker lines" | Sep 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Under "Chat Windows" in "Configure" | Sep 08 18:45 |
| trmanco | I don't use that | Sep 08 18:45 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 08 18:45 |
| trmanco | it doesn't seem to work | Sep 08 18:45 |
| trmanco | I even try to manually insert it but nothing happens | Sep 08 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Manually? I can't find how | Sep 08 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I spent a lot of time learning this app today. Cruising past settings | Sep 08 18:48 |
| schestowitz | xhcnat was enough for one lifetime | Sep 08 18:48 |
| trmanco | insert | Sep 08 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Just tried | Sep 08 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't work | Sep 08 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll file a bug report | Sep 08 18:51 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204331 | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | It would be a dupe | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | So I stop filing.. | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Selecting "Insert Marker Line" from the menu (or pressing Ctrl+R) does nothing | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | (happens at least in stable KDE 4.3 release packages for Kubuntu 9.04 and also | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | in Kubuntu 9.10 Alpha 4). | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 08 18:53 |
| schestowitz | I put "Marker lines does not work" | Sep 08 18:54 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 08 18:55 |
| trmanco | alpha | Sep 08 18:55 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 08 18:55 |
| trmanco | but overall, it'ss table | Sep 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | ------- Comment #1 From Eike Hein 2009-08-18 21:37:40 ------- | Sep 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | This is a known problem (and the main reason it still carries the "alpha"l | Sep 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | label) that will be resolved before the 1.2 release. | Sep 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 192499 *** | Sep 08 18:55 |
| schestowitz | ------- Comment #2 From Roy Schestowitz 2009-09-08 19:03:48 ------- | Sep 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Confirmed by two more users here. Alpha 6 of 1.2 (Kubuntu 9.10 alpha 5). | Sep 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | == | Sep 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They'll get that fixed by final | Sep 08 18:56 |
| schestowitz | So I wasted time in vain trying to make it work | Sep 08 18:56 |
| trmanco | References: | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | [Original Advisory ] Lauren Gaffié | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | http://g-laurent.blogspot.com/2009/09/windows-vista7-smb20-negotiate-protocol.html | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | ----------------------- | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | Hi all, | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | Just for the records since the vulnerability is not only a DoS as stated | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | initially. Below are the technical details I found while verifying the flaw. | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | * This vulnerability is not only a BSOD flaw. It allows remote code | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | execution. The execution of code is far from being reliable though (at | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | the momment). | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | The flaw is a out-of-bounds indexing. We can fully control the 16 bit | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | value used as index within the function table. | Sep 08 22:08 |
| trmanco | http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/506300/30/0/threaded | Sep 08 22:09 |
| trmanco | it worse then everybody though | Sep 08 22:09 |
| trmanco | thought* | Sep 08 22:09 |
| MinceR | note: if you want to see how _Hicham_ trolls, you can see it | Sep 08 22:50 |
| MinceR | now | Sep 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks, I see... | Sep 08 22:56 |
| schestowitz | THey have good days and bad days | Sep 08 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Like Ryan | Sep 08 22:56 |
| schestowitz | On the average, he can be supportive (Hicham) | Sep 08 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Ryan, he also respects his peers in the channel | Sep 08 22:56 |
| MinceR | just wanted to call it to your attention | Sep 08 22:56 |
| MinceR | apparently he doesn't always respect his peers | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Let's see.. | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Been distracted | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | USENET | Sep 08 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Didn't follow the conversation in konversation :-) | Sep 08 22:57 |
| trmanco | heh :D | Sep 08 22:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna post to USENET now | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | You'll see twits | Sep 08 22:58 |
| trmanco | I use to think the "K" on KDE app was kinda "Gay" but it's actually cool :-P | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Hadron shill said it | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | GayDE | Sep 08 22:58 |
| trmanco | konversation,ksysguard,kcalc,koffice | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | All sorts of smears | Sep 08 22:58 |
| trmanco | he did? | Sep 08 22:58 |
| MinceR | "k" ftw | Sep 08 22:58 |
| trmanco | hmm | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Like l00ns and mom's basement | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing gay about it | Sep 08 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Many lies repeated to make them seem true | Sep 08 22:59 |
| trmanco | he is an idiot who does not understand what he writes sometimes | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I stay away from trolls | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They feed on attention | Sep 08 22:59 |
| trmanco | I said that because it rimed | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | They sometimes just advertise those whom they mock | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Just drawing attention to them | Sep 08 22:59 |
| trmanco | I could of said that the other way around | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ah, OK | Sep 08 22:59 |
| schestowitz | heterOS | Sep 08 23:00 |
| trmanco | I use to think the "K" on KDE app sucked but it's actually cool :-P | Sep 08 23:00 |
| trmanco | oh, and I missed an "s" on apps | Sep 08 23:00 |
| trmanco | a | Sep 08 23:00 |
| trmanco | Gnome is great, but KDE is totally a different level | Sep 08 23:01 |
| trmanco | it's a good thing the usually don't mix languages | Sep 08 23:01 |
| trmanco | the whole desktop is c++ | Sep 08 23:01 |
| trmanco | and it should remain like that, better have those damn segfaults than outrageous memory consumption | Sep 08 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Great news: | Sep 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I've figures out how to resolve line-wrapping in new knode | Sep 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | A little trick | Sep 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | *figured | Sep 08 23:12 |
| schestowitz | So that's one problem off the table | Sep 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I saw the trolls taking myn words out of context (in IRC) | Sep 08 23:13 |
| trmanco | myn? | Sep 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz | But anyone who looks at the IRC (thanks for the link, trolls!) will see the truth | Sep 08 23:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Google Groups-> Gary | Sep 08 23:14 |
| schestowitz | The sick stalker | Sep 08 23:14 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 08 23:14 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: I think you should bzip the logs | Sep 08 23:26 |
| trmanco | that way gary might not know how to read them | Sep 08 23:26 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 08 23:26 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 08 23:27 |
| trmanco | Mushy Globfart | Sep 08 23:29 |
| trmanco | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl | Sep 08 23:29 |
| trmanco | can't stop | Sep 08 23:29 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 08 23:29 |
| trmanco | > Maybe, but then who do you think would regard Mushy Globfart as a good friend? | Sep 08 23:30 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: how did you fix the url thingy? | Sep 08 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Disable wrapping | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | In settings, disable wrapping | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Then, in message disable it also | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Then it's done by windows width | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Make a good default width | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Then, just write your message | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Maximise windows before posting | Sep 08 23:40 |
| schestowitz | This way you have dynamic sort of wrapping and knode is not 'helping' you by squeshing it | Sep 08 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I did many trials and errors to arrive at this trick | Sep 08 23:41 |
| trmanco | ok thanks | Sep 08 23:43 |
| trmanco | hey | Sep 08 23:47 |
| trmanco | a new feature -Z http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/archive/2009/07/17/sparklines-in-excel.aspx | Sep 08 23:47 |
| trmanco | wow | Sep 08 23:47 |
| trmanco | the blog design is actually quite snappy | Sep 08 23:48 |
| trmanco | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125236988735891147.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Sep 08 23:54 |
| trmanco | wtf noooo | Sep 08 23:54 |
| trmanco | that means MS wins :| | Sep 08 23:54 |
| MinceR | http://www.lowbird.com/data/images/2009/09/moslems2.jpg | Sep 08 23:55 |
| MinceR | looks more like m$ is losing | Sep 08 23:56 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: sorry if I'm wanting to know too much about your life, but who is Daniel Sorogon? Don't need to reply if you don't want too | Sep 09 00:40 |
| schestowitz | My cousin in Florida | Sep 09 01:05 |
| schestowitz | danielsorogon.com | Sep 09 01:05 |
| trmanco | an architect, wow | Sep 09 01:07 |
| trmanco | I use to want to be one before I've got into computers | Sep 09 01:07 |
| schestowitz | He does luxury homes | Sep 09 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Slow business now that the USian ecnomy takes the tumble | Sep 09 01:13 |
| trmanco | that cool | Sep 09 01:15 |
| trmanco | s | Sep 09 01:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Roy, | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Anything that can be done with this fellow's image? He was a popular | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | theme on the net for a short while: | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | It seems to fit some of the Vista7 panic regarding the security holes | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | and the MSO 2007 panic regarding the borked interface. | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | :" | Sep 09 09:39 |
| schestowitz | > I've already used his image like TEN TIMES in BN !! :-) | Sep 09 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Sorry. It was a reflex when I saw an RSS feed title about Vista7 being | Sep 09 11:48 |
| schestowitz | 'unaffected' by the Teardrops Next Generation attack. | Sep 09 11:48 |
| schestowitz | unquote | Sep 09 11:48 |
| trmanco | wow | Sep 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | yahoo mail got a overhaul | Sep 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/context/context-20.html | Sep 09 11:51 |
| trmanco | looks a lot better now | Sep 09 11:53 |
| trmanco | and lighter | Sep 09 11:53 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/db-cache/ | Sep 09 11:59 |
| trmanco | http://www.wpbeginner.com/wp-tutorials/18-useful-tricks-to-speed-up-wordpress-boost-performance/ | Sep 09 12:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: did you try the plugin? | Sep 09 12:31 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 09 12:31 |
| trmanco | I found it now | Sep 09 12:31 |
| schestowitz | If so, do you suggst disabling wp-cache and making this run? | Sep 09 12:31 |
| trmanco | reading that post | Sep 09 12:31 |
| schestowitz | bookmarked | Sep 09 12:31 |
| schestowitz | For when tessier returns to discussing it | Sep 09 12:32 |
| trmanco | yes, it might be better removing the cache | Sep 09 12:32 |
| trmanco | at least that's what the author says, sort of | Sep 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | AUthor says | Sep 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | I would not count on it | Sep 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | QUOTE | Sep 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | "Forget about them.." | Sep 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Any #s to back this? | Sep 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | added to BM http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/db-cache/ | Sep 09 12:33 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 09 12:34 |
| trmanco | because it's a waste of diskspace | Sep 09 12:34 |
| trmanco | and with that there is no waiting for the readers to get updates content | Sep 09 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I need tessier around | Sep 09 12:34 |
| schestowitz | He needs to give me stats | Sep 09 12:35 |
| schestowitz | queries/sec | Sep 09 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Else I know nothing about how effective it is | Sep 09 12:35 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 09 12:35 |
| schestowitz | interesting (from reader, by E-mail): | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | This is good, I wonder did comes contribute to it ? | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Notice the comes lawyer went totally silent after the out-of-court | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | settlement. I wonder did MS hire her on afterwards. It wouldn't be the | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | first time they hire on opposing lawyers. Takes them out of the gene | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | pool .. :) | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | unquote | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I figures out knode wrapping as you can see in last night's post | Sep 09 12:37 |
| schestowitz | I'm almost 100% happy now | Sep 09 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I can't fish:// my way into BN server for some reason | Sep 09 12:38 |
| schestowitz | And knode takes 850mb of ram, unlike 45mb before | Sep 09 12:38 |
| schestowitz | It loads 350,000 headers into RAM | Sep 09 12:38 |
| schestowitz | *450mb | Sep 09 12:38 |
| schestowitz | So it's not taking up almost half my ram! | Sep 09 12:38 |
| schestowitz | No idea what was changed to cause this... | Sep 09 12:39 |
| trmanco | it's actually low here | Sep 09 12:43 |
| trmanco | max 50 MB | Sep 09 12:43 |
| trmanco | nice pdf btw | Sep 09 12:45 |
| schestowitz | pdf? | Sep 09 12:46 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 09 12:46 |
| schestowitz | which one? | Sep 09 12:46 |
| schestowitz | knode is light when not loading many msgs | Sep 09 12:46 |
| trmanco | the one from the reader | Sep 09 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Sep 09 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but that's an older one | Sep 09 12:46 |
| schestowitz | BN has an HTML version | Sep 09 12:47 |
| trmanco | all I load in knode are messages from 3 servers | Sep 09 12:47 |
| trmanco | about 10 newsgroups each | Sep 09 12:47 |
| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Try loading up an ng with 350,000 articles | Sep 09 12:47 |
| trmanco | 350000 | Sep 09 12:50 |
| trmanco | :O | Sep 09 12:50 |
| trmanco | my biggest newsgroups has 3000 | Sep 09 12:51 |
| trmanco | and it's cola | Sep 09 12:51 |
| trmanco | I like to keep things small | Sep 09 12:51 |
| *trmanco goes back to reading the pdf | Sep 09 12:51 | |
| trmanco | btw | Sep 09 12:53 |
| trmanco | kde pdf reader integrates so well with konq, I'm suprised | Sep 09 12:53 |
| trmanco | okular | Sep 09 12:53 |
| trmanco | "Microsoft used a similar approach in 1995, when it forced Intel to drop development of | Sep 09 12:55 |
| trmanco | Native Signal Processing (“NSP”), a set of instructions that would have allowed a computer’s | Sep 09 12:55 |
| trmanco | processor to directly support audio, video, and 3D graphics." | Sep 09 12:55 |
| trmanco | fuck microsoft man | Sep 09 12:55 |
| trmanco | look at that shit | Sep 09 12:55 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Sep 09 12:56 |
| trmanco | frustrating | Sep 09 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Signatures....http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+Native+Signal+Processing+(“NSP”)%2C+a+set+of+instructions+that+would+have+allowed+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Sep 09 12:57 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/11/microsoft-odf-promise-of-interoperability/ | Sep 09 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft HELPED computr developments, huh?? :-) | Sep 09 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: computer retardation | Sep 09 12:58 |
| trmanco | cool | Sep 09 13:00 |
| trmanco | didn't know you had that | Sep 09 13:00 |
| trmanco | I remember Word perfect | Sep 09 13:01 |
| trmanco | when I was a little boy | Sep 09 13:01 |
| trmanco | I was still in Canada by that time | Sep 09 13:01 |
| trmanco | AFAIR it was easier than ms office | Sep 09 13:02 |
| trmanco | and more advanced at that time | Sep 09 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Lots of apparent reuse from Comes | Sep 09 13:02 |
| schestowitz | And Comes probably reused too | Sep 09 13:02 |
| schestowitz | References for example | Sep 09 13:02 |
| schestowitz | i4i.. | Sep 09 13:02 |
| schestowitz | And WP | Sep 09 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Think about it | Sep 09 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Methods | Sep 09 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Spread the docs | Sep 09 13:03 |
| schestowitz | they are concise ammunition, factual too | Sep 09 13:03 |
| trmanco | this mono stuff just got more clear to me | Sep 09 13:05 |
| trmanco | they will do the same as they did with "WISE" | Sep 09 13:05 |
| trmanco | and there is no doubt about that | Sep 09 13:05 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 09 13:05 |
| trmanco | clearer* | Sep 09 13:06 |
| schestowitz | WISE? | Sep 09 13:06 |
| MinceR | the WISE installer? | Sep 09 13:06 |
| trmanco | the wise shit that would create interoperability between *nix like systems | Sep 09 13:10 |
| trmanco | "embrace" | Sep 09 13:10 |
| trmanco | then they extended the windows api's so that apps made on wise would not work on windows smoothly | Sep 09 13:10 |
| trmanco | "extend" | Sep 09 13:11 |
| trmanco | adn you guys now know what comes next | Sep 09 13:11 |
| trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Interface_Source_Environment this shit | Sep 09 13:12 |
| trmanco | this is like Mono | Sep 09 13:12 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 09 13:12 |
| trmanco | or .NET | Sep 09 13:12 |
| trmanco | *it remind me of it | Sep 09 13:13 |
| trmanco | reminds* | Sep 09 13:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/09/microsoft-utter-contempt-and-lies/comment-page-1/#comment-73300 | Sep 09 13:17 |
| trmanco | :D | Sep 09 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | LOL: | Sep 09 15:01 |
| schestowitz | "In fact, helping company’s monetise software is something Microsoft | Sep 09 15:01 |
| schestowitz | does well through its Partner and ISV programmes. Yet, something was | Sep 09 15:01 |
| schestowitz | missing. Microsoft recognised it lacked a distribution channel on its | Sep 09 15:01 |
| schestowitz | mobile platform" | Sep 09 15:01 |
| schestowitz | OH look, MS helps partners monetise software .. by opening its own | Sep 09 15:01 |
| schestowitz | 'Mobile Marketplace' | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | "Loke-Uei told iTWire that a product was developed to solve this, | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | although it never went live. Consequently, he points out, the Windows | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Mobile Marketplace actually predates Apple’s App Store" | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | and besides which, MS invented it before Apple. | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27584/53/ | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | ------- | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | they're stealing my precious, mustn't let them ... HAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!! | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | [by E-mail: "MS invented Apple’s App Store :) "] | Sep 09 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Social Atlas science < http://blog.dopplr.com/2009/09/06/social-atlas-science/ > | Sep 09 15:22 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: "Linux changes people's views of computers" | Sep 09 15:26 |
| trmanco | does that make sense? | Sep 09 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Sep 09 15:27 |
| trmanco | as a subject | Sep 09 15:27 |
| trmanco | to this -> http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/25a6abb9baa5dec9?hl=en&dmode=source | Sep 09 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Blech. http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2500&blogid=14 | Sep 09 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes, makes sense | Sep 09 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Same computer (hardware), another world/culture | Sep 09 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Like KDE4, being a less radical transition | Sep 09 15:29 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 09 15:29 |
| trmanco | will post to cola | Sep 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "Rediscover your music" --Amarok | Sep 09 15:30 |
| trmanco | :D | Sep 09 15:30 |
| trmanco | using right now | Sep 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "Rediscover your desktop????" --KDE? | Sep 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | I posted to COLA a lot recently | Sep 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Flood out the trolls with good messages | Sep 09 15:30 |
| schestowitz | They'll just get more abusive (Ad hominem) | Sep 09 15:30 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 09 15:32 |
| trmanco | it's already starting | Sep 09 15:32 |
| trmanco | remember that cron problem you had? | Sep 09 15:32 |
| schestowitz | vcrontab | Sep 09 15:39 |
| trmanco | meh | Sep 09 15:44 |
| trmanco | I forgot the hang of it | Sep 09 15:44 |
| trmanco | the quote thing | Sep 09 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Silentale lets you archive and search your every conversation http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/09/08/silentale-lets-you-archive-and-search-your-every-conversation/ | Sep 09 15:44 |
| schestowitz | HEre's how I do it fastest | Sep 09 15:44 |
| trmanco | wasn't ti just down->enter | Sep 09 15:44 |
| trmanco | it* | Sep 09 15:44 |
| schestowitz | With mouse, bottom to top | Sep 09 15:44 |
| trmanco | to wrap the quote | Sep 09 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Then ALT+T | Sep 09 15:44 |
| schestowitz | press B | Sep 09 15:44 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 09 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Write "quote" if you want | Sep 09 15:45 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 09 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Then go to beginning of box | Sep 09 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Press ENTER DOWN ENTER DOWN ENTER DOWN ENTER DOWN... | Sep 09 15:45 |
| schestowitz | With two fingers | Sep 09 15:45 |
| trmanco | I had this work before | Sep 09 15:46 |
| trmanco | damn | Sep 09 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | in KDE4 it doesn't deal well with new paragraphs. | Sep 09 15:46 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 09 15:47 |
| trmanco | still can't do it properly | Sep 09 15:47 |
| trmanco | this was working the last time you told me | Sep 09 15:48 |
| trmanco | I tried it | Sep 09 15:48 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 09 15:48 |
| trmanco | it works without paragraphs | Sep 09 15:48 |
| trmanco | like you said | Sep 09 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Else you put a new pipe ( | ) and then carry on with next paragraph | Sep 09 15:54 |
| schestowitz | They went a step back in box handling | Sep 09 15:54 |
| schestowitz | in KDE 3.1 it was FAR worse though | Sep 09 15:54 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 09 16:17 |
| trmanco | that's the method I use | Sep 09 16:17 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: any spellchecker that I miss in konversation? | Sep 09 16:36 |
| trmanco | spell checker is working here | Sep 09 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Got it | Sep 09 16:57 |
| trmanco | right click in the textarea | Sep 09 16:57 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Sep 09 16:57 |
| schestowitz | http://konversation.kde.org/wiki/Konversation_Tips_and_Tricks "Right click the text input line and select Auto Spell Check. " | Sep 09 16:57 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 09 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha. | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | hello Mr. Roy, | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | i got ur emailid from Mathworks.com | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | i m doing M.Tech in ECE. | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | i need help in my project programming. | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | actually i have to implement OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) transmitter and receiver. | Sep 09 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Sep 09 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | but first of all i need to implement each and evey block used in OFDM transmiter and receiver, like parallel to serial converter,fft block, adding cyclic prefix and guard interval, modulation technique,etc. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Sep 09 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | so right now i m writing program for Digital modulation technique. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | actually i have to use 64 QAM modulation and demodulation | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | my guide told me to generate ask, fsk and psk first and also i succeeded in modulation part but i m unable to demodulate it. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | i have to take digital input data rate at 1.2Kbps and then i have to design. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | right now i need help in implementing QPSK and QAM modulation and demodulation. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | plz help me if u can. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | waiting for ur reply. | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | regards | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | sweet angel | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:09 |
| schestowitz | From < sweetangel.sweet11@gmail.com > | Sep 09 17:09 |
| trmanco | troll? | Sep 09 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Sep 09 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Weirdos, I think | Sep 09 17:13 |
| MinceR | misdirected mail? :) | Sep 09 17:14 |
| schestowitz | No | Sep 09 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I'm on Mathworks | Sep 09 17:31 |
| schestowitz | It's personalised | Sep 09 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It's the name that's odd | Sep 09 17:32 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Sep 09 17:32 |
| MinceR | could be a silly screen name | Sep 09 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I occasaionally get such mails | Sep 09 17:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: made me hungry | Sep 09 17:33 |
| schestowitz | "sweet angel" | Sep 09 17:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 09 17:33 |
| MinceR | bite the head off first, then they stop squirming | Sep 09 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's an India dish | Sep 09 17:33 |
| schestowitz | *Indian | Sep 09 17:33 |
| MinceR | and pleading for mercy | Sep 09 17:33 |
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| MinceR | it's a bit like my idea of what the "Sprite" drink would really be if it lived up for its name | Sep 09 17:33 |
| trmanco | strange stuff | Sep 09 17:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm reconsidering some problems. I am now considering that Wintel be | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | treated as a single interest. I am also considering the idea that MS | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | main products are its two monopolies, and not anything else. The | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | monopolies are what keep the money (big or small) flowing. | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | However the monopolies commonly talked about are not the relevant ones. | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Those are symptoms or distractions. Following the money, we see that | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | one the one monopoly it is the exclusive control of the OEMs. The other | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | is a monopoly of office formats. We risk a third, media formats. | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | If any company or group can crack the Wintel monopoly among OEMs, either | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | the Intel (x86 actually) component or the Windows component, then the | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | desktop is lost to MS. | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | If any company or group can crack the Office format monopoly among | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | users, with any open format (not fake open like OOXML), then the desktop | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | applications are lost to MS. | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm thinking of this because of how the Oracle-Sun purchase is getting | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | dragged out and various Benedict Arnolds in key positions are slowing it | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | down and even FUDding it. With the SPARC, OpenSolaris and | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | OpenOffice.org, Oracle would be in position to completely displace | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | (minus the viruses) Wintel from the market. We're not talking a major | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | change, here, just enough to break the monopoly. When that goes, the | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | monopoly rents go. Being able to charge 5x the normal price for MS | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Windows and MS Office is keeping the whole of MS going. When does the | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | red ink start? At 4x, 3.5x, 3? Somewhere. | Sep 09 17:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 17:46 |
| MinceR | i've heard oracle wanted to sell the hw business to hp though :/ | Sep 09 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 09 17:51 |
| schestowitz | They just need to decommission mysql | Sep 09 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Or retard it | Sep 09 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Or make its users paying customers | Sep 09 17:51 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | (Cc'ed to softwarepatents@ since this seems a better fit than eboard) | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | according to Groklaw, the patents were not sold directly to OIN but to | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | another entity, Allied Security Trust. OIN then bought them to prevent | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | them from falling in the hands of "non-practicing entities" | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll ;-) | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | i suppose it just means that the patents are not worth much more than | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | this PR stunt is for OIN... | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090908164954318 | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 18:24 |
| schestowitz | PR stunt? | Sep 09 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | More on court ruling against Ashcroft and "preventative detention" under Bush administration < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/08/more-on-court-ruling.html > | Sep 09 19:19 |
| schestowitz | == | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Gates is quoted here as saying that the magic | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > > number is 20% market share. If M$ loses 20% market share, their | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > > monopoly could be broken: | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > Gates said many stupid things. | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > True, but the interesting thing here is that it gives the FOSS community | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > a reachable target! If Gates was correct, we can do significant damage | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > to M$ simply by reaching 20% market share. In the US law, this is | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > called "an admission against interest". In other words, there is the | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > general belief that if someone admits the truth of a fact that is | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > contrary to their interest, it must be true, because people only lie to | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > advance their interests; people generally don't lie to harm their | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > interests! | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > So imagine what that means; if the M$ monopoly will start to crumble | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > more rapidly once GNU-Linux reaches 20% market share, that is a much | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > more achievable goal than, say, 51%. In other words, it is encouraging | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > for our community to think that we could make significant headway if we | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > reach 20%. There is good reason to believe that GNU-Linux already has | Sep 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | > 10% market share world-wide, and if the Brazilian and Russian school | Sep 09 20:07 |
| schestowitz | > deals come through, that could be an even more significant leg up. | Sep 09 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> > | Sep 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> > | Sep 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> > He's a lawyer. | Sep 09 20:17 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> > | Sep 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> > | Sep 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> > Lessig is also a lawyer. So am I. ;-) | Sep 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> :-p | Sep 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> Not an economist. Neither am I. | Sep 09 20:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> == | Sep 09 20:18 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 09 21:25 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 09 21:25 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Sep 09 21:25 | |
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| schestowitz | I notice that M$ has pulled out the FUD on peripherals. I remember when | Sep 09 21:45 |
| schestowitz | they announce that they would f*k with the manufacturers. It was | Sep 09 21:45 |
| schestowitz | sometime in 2001 or 2002. I know as recently as 2007 geeks were still | Sep 09 21:45 |
| schestowitz | in denial and proposing to simple buy old cards and other attachments. | Sep 09 21:45 |
| schestowitz | There's some pressure to re-open the firmware. I'd say a lot of need. | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | My first thought when reading the headline for this one: | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10126078-83.html | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | ^^Quote | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | was that they'd be caught dealing out compromised firmware. It turns | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | out they were accused of the old fashioned spying. However, that | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | doesn't mean it's less of a threat. There are so many devices with | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | firmware and all running internal computers out of sight, computers that | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | people would have killed to have on their desktop 25 years ago. | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Think about it. It does not matter how secure your computer is if the | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | pci card running the modem is reporting all data passing through it. | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Same for the printer, phones or other devices. | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 09 21:46 |
| schestowitz | > OFF TOPIC 2: | Sep 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | > Its my day for being off-topic: | Sep 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Open-Invention-Network-Buys-Microsoft-Linux-Patents | Sep 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | > Why would one (our community) buy software patents when we inherently | Sep 09 22:15 |
| schestowitz | > totally against them... | Sep 09 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Cause OINBM [sic] is a shill for software patents. | Sep 09 22:16 |
| schestowitz | ^that's putting it bluntly about OINk | Sep 09 22:16 |
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| trmanco | what does ATTN mean? | Sep 10 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Attention | Sep 10 01:54 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/YF6dk.jpg | Sep 10 11:01 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 10 11:02 |
| trmanco | thanks | Sep 10 11:47 |
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| trmanco | what happened to mark kent? | Sep 10 13:01 |
| trmanco | I haven't seen news digests for a while | Sep 10 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, no idea. I might phone him. | Sep 10 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Quote; | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Companies like IBM, RedHat, Canonical, etc. are acquiring as many patents as they can, either | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | directly or with initiatives like OIN. From e.g. Nokia we know that what is at the beginning a | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | defensive strategy can become an aggressive one at any time. | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe sooner than later the OIN members start asking 'politely' to provide free software throw them, | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | but not independently. That would be the beginning of the end of the free software movement, and | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | maybe what MS is looking for. | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | What will be better against FLOSS than to convince to as many FLOSS-players as possible that | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | software patents are very profitable? | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Will goverments use Debian instead of RedHat if software patents are an issue? | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | --unoqtote | Sep 10 13:10 |
| schestowitz | https://lists.ffii.org/mailman/private/softwarepatents/ | Sep 10 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I can't show this publicly | Sep 10 13:12 |
| schestowitz | :-( | Sep 10 13:12 |
| trmanco | ffii | Sep 10 13:18 |
| trmanco | will try and subscribe if I can :| | Sep 10 13:19 |
| trmanco | yep | Sep 10 13:21 |
| trmanco | I can subscribe :D | Sep 10 13:21 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: any other list worth subscribing from ffii | Sep 10 13:21 |
| trmanco | ? | Sep 10 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, there's a way.... | Sep 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz | subscribe to software-patents. It's low-volume | Sep 10 13:25 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 10 13:27 |
| trmanco | just did | Sep 10 13:27 |
| trmanco | Welcome to the Softwarepatents(at)ffii.org mailing list! | Sep 10 13:27 |
| trmanco | To post to this list, send your email to: | Sep 10 13:27 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 10 13:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Hi openSUSE Packagers | Sep 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Time to take your long vacation trip until Monday right now: | Sep 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz | We've stopped the "obs-publisher", so publishing of new builds (rpms, | Sep 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz | isos) is disabled for build.opensuse.org until Monday. | Sep 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz | We need this time to give all our fantastic mirror admins (yes: this is | Sep 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz | really the time for a big thank you!) enough time to sync the current | Sep 10 13:33 |
| schestowitz | repositories so every user gets what he wants even during the | Sep 10 13:33 |
| schestowitz | downtime[1]. | Sep 10 13:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Opensuse downtime | Sep 10 13:33 |
| trmanco | bbl | Sep 10 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | what is ip of hex 3aa84932? | Sep 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's mutex | Sep 10 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | > Its my day for being off-topic: | Sep 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > > http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Open-Invention-Network-Buys-Microsoft-Linux-Patents | Sep 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > > | Sep 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > > Why would one (our community) buy software patents when we inherently | Sep 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > > totally against them... | Sep 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Seems stupid to me. It's first endorsing a stupid activity. Second, | Sep 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | it's giving money to the jackasses patenting everything under the sun. | Sep 10 19:12 |
| trmanco | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/now-s-u-p-e-r-sized.html | Sep 10 20:05 |
| trmanco | Google got bigger :-P | Sep 10 20:05 |
| MinceR | Make The Logo Bigger | Sep 10 20:31 |
| trmanco | http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/48222.html | Sep 10 21:43 |
| MinceR | they're not to be trusted | Sep 10 21:47 |
| trmanco | NEVER! | Sep 10 21:47 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I never use that page | Sep 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I have toolbars | Sep 10 22:22 |
| MinceR | i have Scroogle | Sep 10 22:23 |
| MinceR | and my Web Command Line :> | Sep 10 22:23 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 10 22:23 |
| trmanco | I use it sometimes | Sep 10 22:23 |
| trmanco | geez, can't get enough of house music :| | Sep 10 22:24 |
| trmanco | thanks to amarok :| | Sep 10 22:25 |
| trmanco | gives me a giant list of online radios so that I cannot get tired of listening to it :| | Sep 10 22:25 |
| trmanco | what kind of music do you guys like? | Sep 10 22:33 |
| MinceR | mostly trance and metal | Sep 10 22:33 |
| MinceR | but i listen to a lot of kinds of music | Sep 10 22:33 |
| trmanco | really :D | Sep 10 22:33 |
| MinceR | nowadays i listen to demoscene music | Sep 10 22:33 |
| trmanco | cool | Sep 10 22:33 |
| trmanco | I use to be a trance lover too | Sep 10 22:34 |
| *schestowitz mixes and matches | Sep 10 22:35 | |
| *MinceR is listening to: Virgill - CrM! | Sep 10 23:10 | |
| schestowitz | Virgil Mary! | Sep 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | SugarCRM | Sep 10 23:11 |
| MinceR | -_- | Sep 10 23:12 |
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| MinceR | btw, people who criticize me for advocating the killing of certain people should think whether the world will be better with or without those people | Sep 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Might reform or imprison them | Sep 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Make them do some work in prison | Sep 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Sep 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Death if not a penalty | Sep 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | They don't feel agony | Sep 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Let them do community service | Sep 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | They'll never make up for their damage | Sep 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | But they can do little | Sep 10 23:20 |
| MinceR | keeping people in prison is costly and carries the risk of escape | Sep 10 23:20 |
| MinceR | generally the point of life imprisonment is that you can terminate the sentence if it's found out that the inmate isn't really guilty | Sep 10 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Not if you give them work | Sep 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | but in this case, i think we can safely dismiss that possibility | Sep 10 23:21 |
| schestowitz | They can sew or do production line staff | Sep 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | and then there's the issue of deterrence | Sep 10 23:21 |
| schestowitz | And reside in a jail cell | Sep 10 23:21 |
| schestowitz | For deeds | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Nothing racial | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Like Nazi Germany for instance | Sep 10 23:22 |
| MinceR | ballmer should be forced to do some really demeaning and horrible work then | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | People should receive treatment based on violations that commit | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Community service in another scale | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | That'll be fruitful | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Sep 10 23:22 |
| MinceR | at least as bad as trying to work around the stupidity in m$ products that are forced upon unwilling people | Sep 10 23:22 |
| MinceR | i doubt we can find such, though | Sep 10 23:22 |
| MinceR | at least while also keeping it useful | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, let him lay bricks somewhere | Sep 10 23:22 |
| schestowitz | And leave society alone | Sep 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | he doesn't deserve to leave the prison | Sep 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Shouting and tossing bricks | Sep 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | and there's no reason to lay bricks in prison | Sep 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | it would save the shrink costs | Sep 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they can build their own prison | Sep 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | And leave in tents meanwhile | Sep 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Convicted felons that is | Sep 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | also, there's another risk -- ballmer's partners in crime or allies using corruption to get him out | Sep 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | They're off the evolution chain anyway | Sep 10 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | They won't reproduce if they are only there to carry on living | Sep 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you forbit it | Sep 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Bail | Sep 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Like BillG was rescued after speeding | Sep 10 23:24 |
| MinceR | but why have them build a prison for themselves? | Sep 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Cause of his dad & gang | Sep 10 23:24 |
| MinceR | that isn't useful for anyone else | Sep 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I don't like death sentences | Sep 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | It's bad enough we slaughter animals | Sep 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | usually i don't like them either because i don't trust the justice system | Sep 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... | Sep 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | well, humans are animals | Sep 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | biologically | Sep 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | THey are | Sep 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | But we're not cannibals | Sep 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | also, omnivores | Sep 10 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Few animals are | Sep 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | so slaughtering animals is ok, as long as they aren't wasted or tortured unnecessarily | Sep 10 23:25 |
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| MinceR | (the latter probably lessens food quality anyway...) | Sep 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | i didn't say we should eat ballmer | Sep 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | that would be disgusting | Sep 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Not the point | Sep 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Mutual killing in the species | Sep 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | SOme animals kill one another | Sep 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | In fights | Sep 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | But we should be civilised | Sep 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | humans are much worse than animals | Sep 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | ballmer isn't civilized | Sep 10 23:26 |
| MinceR | he can't be a member of a civilized society | Sep 10 23:26 |
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| MinceR | he's a sociopath | Sep 10 23:27 |
| schestowitz | He is | Sep 10 23:27 |
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| trmanco | and probably a BO smelling sociopath | Sep 10 23:34 |
| MinceR | got to neutralize that | Sep 10 23:35 |
| MinceR | with a nice dose of napalm, perhaps | Sep 10 23:35 |
| trmanco | :D | Sep 10 23:35 |
| trmanco | grrr | Sep 10 23:36 |
| trmanco | I hate crickets | Sep 10 23:36 |
| trmanco | they make a sounds that I cant stand | Sep 10 23:37 |
| trmanco | sound* | Sep 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: easy, tiger | Sep 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | [no, I'm not suggesting a greek arena] | Sep 10 23:38 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 10 23:39 |
| MinceR | ballmer fighting it out with a tiger? | Sep 10 23:39 |
| MinceR | i'd feel sorry for the kitty... but he'd solve the problem quickly | Sep 10 23:40 |
| MinceR | BO and all | Sep 10 23:40 |
| MinceR | i mean the kitty wouldn't have to endure ballmer's company for long | Sep 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Sod it, I need to post some news | Sep 10 23:41 |
| trmanco | how stupid can some trolls be? | Sep 11 00:40 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/a38fc201a62f8f81/35817d4fff387aae?tvc=1#35817d4fff387aae | Sep 11 00:41 |
| trmanco | see this | Sep 11 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 11 00:55 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 11 14:13:35 2009 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 11 14:13 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 11 14:13 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Sep 11 14:13 | |
| *Received a CTCP VERSION from freenode-connect | Sep 11 14:13 | |
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| trmanco | where can I get some proof that bill gates hacked computer schools on early microsoft days? | Sep 11 18:40 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: ping | Sep 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Sep 11 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Sep 11 19:14 |
| trmanco | I found something | Sep 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/20/sabotaging-for-a-living/ | Sep 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Follow the links | Sep 11 19:15 |
| trmanco | but it wasn't really what I was looking for | Sep 11 19:15 |
| trmanco | thanks | Sep 11 19:16 |
| trmanco | wll read it | Sep 11 19:16 |
| trmanco | ah found it | Sep 11 19:20 |
| trmanco | it is similar to what I've found, thanks | Sep 11 19:20 |
| trmanco | http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Gates.Mirick.html | Sep 11 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Are you planning to sue? ;-) | Sep 11 19:21 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 11 19:22 |
| trmanco | I'm just trying to bury a troll | Sep 11 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/11/almaz_35m_2013_space_cruise_pledge/ Cruises on ex-Soviet space warships offered | Sep 11 19:24 |
| schestowitz | COLA? | Sep 11 19:24 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 11 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Don't sweat it | Sep 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | flatfish | Sep 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | It shows they bother you | Sep 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | No | Sep 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Better no feed | Sep 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | I keeps insisting I hacked computer server (now) | Sep 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | he* | Sep 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Piranhas will eat the fish | Sep 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | and I know why | Sep 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | it just means you're influential | Sep 11 19:25 |
| trmanco | I can still give you the post where I said that I used ophcrack to "crack" a password on Windows to install some software, GNU/software | Sep 11 19:25 |
| schestowitz | That's why HPT gets flak | Sep 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They'll scoop up anything or make stuff up and 'plant' it | Sep 11 19:26 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Repeat over and over until it becomes true | Sep 11 19:26 |
| trmanco | that pretty much sums it up | Sep 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Don't bother | Sep 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | They'll find s/t else | Sep 11 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Spend time differently | Sep 11 19:26 |
| trmanco | and he keeps repeating the same BS, but every time is has a bigger lie | Sep 11 19:27 |
| trmanco | I will hit my record on cola posts this week | Sep 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Teasing slanderer | Sep 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Ignore or sue him | Sep 11 19:27 |
| trmanco | me sue? I'm not that big yet | Sep 11 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/11/google-utilized-to-make-history-for-911-remembrance | Sep 11 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Just spoke to my mother about it | Sep 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | maybe I will move to canada and get a patent on my name, and the frase "hacked into schools computer" | Sep 11 19:28 |
| schestowitz | America has a new recuitment (to military) tool | Sep 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | then I will sue :-P | Sep 11 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Repeat the 9/11 scare once a year | Sep 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | og 9/11 | Sep 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | the day I've got my license | Sep 11 19:28 |
| trmanco | driving license | Sep 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | I've had it for a year now | Sep 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: didn't Nelly Furtado moves from Portugal to CA? | Sep 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | she is a hottie too | Sep 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I like her, she's cute | Sep 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | I was the opposite :( | Sep 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | How come? | Sep 11 19:29 |
| trmanco | my sister was like her | Sep 11 19:29 |
| schestowitz | You man CA->PR? | Sep 11 19:30 |
| trmanco | I was underage and my parents decided to come back to portugal | Sep 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Aw well.. | Sep 11 19:30 |
| trmanco | my sister told them that she would take good care of me but, noooooooo | Sep 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | As long as you're a dual citizen. | Sep 11 19:30 |
| trmanco | you should of seen me crying... | Sep 11 19:30 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 11 19:30 |
| trmanco | I was 10 years old | Sep 11 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I think RMS had quite a story too | Sep 11 19:31 |
| schestowitz | But I never found it | Sep 11 19:31 |
| trmanco | I've been there a couple of times in the last 9 years | Sep 11 19:31 |
| schestowitz | A friend who spoke to RMS said s/t about it | Sep 11 19:31 |
| trmanco | everytime I leaved that damn great country, I cry :| | Sep 11 19:31 |
| trmanco | I'm planning to move back there | Sep 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | You can get a job in Google Canada | Sep 11 19:32 |
| trmanco | in a year or so | Sep 11 19:32 |
| trmanco | I'm not of a genius yet | Sep 11 19:32 |
| trmanco | that* | Sep 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Well, there's time | Sep 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Canada is a huge nation | Sep 11 19:32 |
| trmanco | and a great nation | Sep 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Plenty of room for expansion | Sep 11 19:32 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 11 19:32 |
| schestowitz | I was ther | Sep 11 19:32 |
| trmanco | where? | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Some people still think I'm Canadian for some reason | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Even people who knew me for ages | Sep 11 19:33 |
| trmanco | accent? | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe cause I flew there to meet the g/d | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | g/f | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Never mind. | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, they say the accent | Sep 11 19:33 |
| trmanco | cool | Sep 11 19:33 |
| trmanco | I heard you once, on some podcast | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Anyway.. back to Thunderbrotse.. | Sep 11 19:33 |
| schestowitz | *browse | Sep 11 19:34 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 11 19:34 |
| trmanco | I'll go eat dinner | Sep 11 19:34 |
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| MinceR | http://notalwaysright.com/klingon-to-the-hope-of-a-ticket/2460 | Sep 11 20:29 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 11 20:41 |
| trmanco | you a star trek geek? | Sep 11 20:41 |
| MinceR | not that much, at least not yet | Sep 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Is it still running? Any 'generations' left? | Sep 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I think I checked 2 years ago and no.... | Sep 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I worked with Will Weaton | Sep 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | That's W | Sep 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | "Crusher" from the Next Generation | Sep 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/39475 | Sep 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Weaton uses Debian BTW | Sep 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | "I like swapping distros every time I do an upgrade. This is so much fun and I get to know many distros. It's like driving different cars or ordering different meals." | Sep 11 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Add a second drive to your Ubuntu server http://www.ghacks.net/2009/09/10/add-a-second-drive-to-your-ubuntu-server/ | Sep 11 21:05 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Kubuntu does not automount my partitions, I need to click on them and enter password in the GUI, which is different from how Mandriva handled it | Sep 11 21:05 |
| MinceR | there was a reboot movie recently, it was great | Sep 11 21:08 |
| MinceR | reboot of Star Trek, obviously | Sep 11 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | Oh. | Sep 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't paid attention, I guess. | Sep 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the Windows edition of Star Trek (reboot) | Sep 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36TcG5XZDg | Sep 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | That's the trailer | Sep 11 21:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 11 21:56 |
| schestowitz | daemon makes noise in the channel | Sep 11 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I'd post some news now | Sep 11 21:58 |
| schestowitz | At least he trolls less than he used to | Sep 11 21:58 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: we need to start communicating OTR | Sep 11 22:01 |
| trmanco | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-wacky-web-we-weave.html | Sep 11 22:05 |
| trmanco | who runs this blog | Sep 11 22:05 |
| trmanco | MinceR: you are there | Sep 11 22:05 |
| MinceR | i see | Sep 11 22:06 |
| trmanco | I'm gonna hack blogger | Sep 11 22:06 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 11 22:06 |
| MinceR | verofakto fails reading comprehension | Sep 11 22:06 |
| trmanco | but who is this guy | Sep 11 22:07 |
| trmanco | Wong? | Sep 11 22:07 |
| trmanco | Lefty? | Sep 11 22:07 |
| trmanco | "Mystery man. Probably Portuguese and possibly associated with trmanco and/or Rui Seabra. He helps distros find reasons to remove Mono and so on." | Sep 11 22:10 |
| trmanco | time to contact the portuguese rms | Sep 11 22:10 |
| trmanco | oh and schestowitz, you need to stop posting the logs | Sep 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | if these idiots want to talk like real men do, they should come into the channel or email the person they want to attack | Sep 11 22:12 |
| trmanco | or at least bzip with password | Sep 11 22:20 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/verofakto | Sep 11 22:26 |
| trmanco | read his twitter timeline | Sep 11 22:26 |
| trmanco | and follow the replies | Sep 11 22:26 |
| trmanco | he is all about you | Sep 11 22:26 |
| trmanco | and taking bn down | Sep 11 22:27 |
| trmanco | this reminds me of riaa | Sep 11 22:27 |
| trmanco | he also spies the irc channel | Sep 11 22:38 |
| trmanco | why is nobody replying to me? | Sep 11 22:39 |
| trmanco | http://boycott-boycottnovell.com/ | Sep 11 22:43 |
| MinceR | we have nothing to say | Sep 11 22:46 |
| trmanco | isn't this frustrating? | Sep 11 22:47 |
| MinceR | apparently verofakto is either lefty or they're buddies | Sep 11 22:48 |
| trmanco | I would say buddies | Sep 11 22:48 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: | Sep 11 22:52 |
| trmanco | [22:51] <dyfet> if someone needs to find my registration entries in the logs to figure out what happened, my email address is dyfet@gnutelephony.org (or also dyfet@gnu.org :) | Sep 11 22:52 |
| trmanco | [22:51] <trmanco> ok :) | Sep 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Sep 11 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I'd just ignore that troll | Sep 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | It's Lefty's gang | Sep 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | From what I can gather. Don't feed them. And domains are a dime a dozen... | Sep 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Don't feed those | Sep 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has anti-Groklaw sits too | Sep 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | *sites | Sep 11 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw ignores them so that nobody notices and the trolls lose interest, get bored and quit trolling | Sep 11 23:10 |
| trmanco | maybe a should buy http://boycott-boycott-boycottnovell.com/ | Sep 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Recursive, methinks | Sep 11 23:10 |
| trmanco | I see that lefty stopped | Sep 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Keep it that way | Sep 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Don't feed. | Sep 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Don't feed COLA trolls either | Sep 11 23:10 |
| trmanco | I never spoken to the man | Sep 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | By replying you ask for MORE abuse | Sep 11 23:10 |
| schestowitz | They LIKE it | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | That's why they do it... for replies | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | And provocation | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore the whole thing and move on | Sep 11 23:11 |
| trmanco | I'll try | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | in COLA, post those advocacy posts re: forums | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | It drives them BUTS | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | *NUTS | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | and BUTTS too :-) | Sep 11 23:11 |
| trmanco | I will try | Sep 11 23:11 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They kick each others' butts | Sep 11 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Expect A LOT more COLA trolling when Vista 7 release is near | Sep 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I mean, A LOT | Sep 11 23:15 |
| schestowitz | It always happens when there is a release | Sep 11 23:15 |
| trmanco | isn't it near already? | Sep 11 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Sep 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | When the parties go on. | Sep 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | You'll see, trust me | Sep 11 23:18 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 11 23:19 |
| trmanco | parties? Might show up in one dressed as a Tux | Sep 11 23:19 |
| trmanco | :-p | Sep 11 23:19 |
| schestowitz | And body paint | Sep 11 23:20 |
| trmanco | :-p posts in my outbox | Sep 11 23:38 |
| trmanco | 2* | Sep 11 23:38 |
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| trmanco | I just had a Dragon Fly flying around in the house | Sep 12 18:06 |
| trmanco | this is why I'm so scared of them "The Norwegian name for dragonflies is "Øyenstikker", which literally means Eye Poker and in Portugal they are sometimes called "Tira-olhos" (Eye snatcher). " | Sep 12 18:06 |
| trmanco | but then I read they only eat other insects | Sep 12 18:06 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 12 18:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 12 18:06 |
| trmanco | but they look so scary | Sep 12 18:06 |
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| trmanco | homer added me to the troll free stats | Sep 12 23:23 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 12 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's good that he cans trolls | Sep 12 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Roy Culley used to post those stats and leave the trolls in tact | Sep 12 23:24 |
| schestowitz | He wrote the script in Perl | Sep 12 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Homer modified it | Sep 12 23:24 |
| trmanco | where is he? | Sep 12 23:24 |
| trmanco | roy | Sep 12 23:24 |
| trmanco | never seen a post of his | Sep 12 23:25 |
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| trmanco | wintrolls are now attacking the ubuntu newsgroup | Sep 13 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Desperation. | Sep 13 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Sep 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7. | Sep 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Derail 9.10 launch | Sep 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's a good release intersecting with VIsta 7 | Sep 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft employees tweet at me | Sep 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | It's funny | Sep 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Managers too | Sep 13 12:23 |
| trmanco | examples? | Sep 13 12:23 |
| oiaohm | The problem is the release after 9.10 is even going to be better. | Sep 13 13:02 |
| schestowitz | LTS? | Sep 13 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Browser Face-Off: Battery Life Explored | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | http://anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3636 | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | > Re: who paid for this 'survey'? | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | > > Find out, pls. | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Well there is only an email jarred.walton@anandtech.com. Given all the | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | tweaks in FF I doubt this test has any real validity. Obviously MS | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | tweaked Iexplorer to run faster. Mainly by having its core components | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | running as SYSTEM. | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Don't take these results at face value. Run your own test. Or announce | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | a test on the BN forum. Generally when ever I read about the latest | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | 'bug' in FF, I run it myself and it invariably don't work. | Sep 13 14:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 14:02 |
| trmanco | BN forum? | Sep 13 14:03 |
| trmanco | that would be nice | Sep 13 14:03 |
| trmanco | :-p | Sep 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | You joke? | Sep 13 14:07 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | WHo would participate? | Sep 13 14:08 |
| trmanco | that's an interesting question | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | We have comments, Wiki, IRC | Sep 13 14:10 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | comments are subs-only now | Sep 13 14:10 |
| trmanco | I think that is enough | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Enough places to speak in already | Sep 13 14:10 |
| trmanco | has the db cache worked? | Sep 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Sep 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Technically it works | Sep 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | It runs and all | Sep 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Load is still very high, sometimes there's lag on the server | Sep 13 14:12 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 13 14:12 |
| trmanco | it might not be the db | Sep 13 14:12 |
| trmanco | maybe I/O? | Sep 13 14:13 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=3930 | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft: Windows Mobile 7 not on the PDC docket" | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | PDC will bomb. | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Nothing to show there | Sep 13 14:17 |
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| trmanco | Sun and Oracle Invite You to a Live Product Launch | Sep 13 20:44 |
| trmanco | LOL | Sep 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | You? | Sep 13 20:44 |
| MinceR | and what sort of cannon do they plan to use? :> | Sep 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Canon | Sep 13 20:45 |
| trmanco | http://oracle.com.edgesuite.net/ivt/4000/8104/9236/11789/lobby_external_no_slides/default.htm?cid=928301 | Sep 13 20:45 |
| trmanco | "In order to view this presentation on your computer, you will need to install Real Player 11: Real Download" | Sep 13 20:46 |
| trmanco | "You are invited to attend this exclusive live Webcast in which Oracle CEO Larry Ellison will unveil an innovative new product, the world’s first OLTP database machine with Sun FlashFire technology. Don’t miss this opportunity to learn firsthand how the partnership between Oracle and Sun can benefit your business now and in the future." | Sep 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "In order to view this presentation on your computer, you will need to install Real Player 11: Real Download" | Sep 13 20:46 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Larry can bugger off with that binary | Sep 13 20:46 |
| trmanco | but that is the on demand part | Sep 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Requirements | Sep 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Internet Explorer 6 or 7 | Sep 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Firefox 2 or 3 | Sep 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | What happened to standards? | Sep 13 20:47 |
| MinceR | they happen to other people. | Sep 13 20:47 |
| trmanco | I will wait and see if the live broadcast has anything to do with real player | Sep 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Unreal Player | Sep 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Unreal Tournament | Sep 13 20:51 |
| MinceR | RealTournament? | Sep 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Get the bazooka for the 'on demand' | Sep 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Assign key5 to bazooka | Sep 13 20:51 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 13 20:58 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 14 08:56 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 14 08:56 | |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207366 | Sep 14 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Sep 14 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Alabama judges take hard line on dildos < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/alabama_ruling/ > | Sep 14 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Japan gets to grips with train-grope websites < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/train_tips/ > | Sep 14 17:52 |
| schestowitz | "Japanese police are planning to "put pressure" on websites which offer pervs top tips on how to grope women on trains without getting cuffed, and the best packed commuter lines on which to fondle victims." | Sep 14 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Users nervous about Oracle's acquisition of MySQL http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/users-nervous-about-oracles-acquisition-mysql-215 | Sep 14 19:18 |
| MinceR | i really need a soft-ignore script :> | Sep 14 22:18 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 14 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft-ignore? | Sep 14 23:14 |
| schestowitz | How does one 'soft' ignore? Showing just onename? | Sep 14 23:15 |
| MinceR | by keeping 'ignored' messages from showing up as activity (hilight or otherwise) and rendering them in dark gray color | Sep 14 23:20 |
| MinceR | perhaps with some different prefix too | Sep 14 23:20 |
| MinceR | so i can see that something happened that others could see but it would be easy to ignore visually | Sep 14 23:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ask trolls to flag themselves | Sep 14 23:27 |
| schestowitz | [troll] flag each line | Sep 14 23:27 |
| MinceR | they never will | Sep 14 23:27 |
| schestowitz | [troll] precede kindly for filtering | Sep 14 23:27 |
| MinceR | i can flag them by hostmask, though -- if i can write that script | Sep 14 23:27 |
| trmanco | An SMBv2 Vista exploit is out: http://www.immunityinc.com/ceu-index.shtml | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | Currently it's a local. Kostya's technique on this is, in my personal | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | opinion, going to become a remote shortly. It's different from Lurene's | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | technique as posted to the VRT page. I guess there's more than one way | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | to skin a cat? | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | For the inevitable questions: We won't be commenting publicly on the | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | exploit specifics, but you could always purchase a CEU subscription and | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | find them out. Nicolas Pouvesle, Kostya, and Skylar have a mandate to | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | "crack it like a nut" which I'm sure they will proceed to do. :> | Sep 15 00:31 |
| trmanco | it should have been in quotes | Sep 15 00:32 |
| trmanco | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/09/mono-vs-wise/#comment-73424 | Sep 15 00:54 |
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| trmanco | "E quer iniciar outra guerra? Coloque no “Fórum do Baboo” (um fórum sobre Windows, aqui do Brasil), um elogio a qualquer software livre. Conheço algumas pessoas que fizeram isso e foram simplesmente BANIDAS. E isso não me diverte. Se o Windows é tão melhor, porque a crítica incomoda tanto?" | Sep 15 12:27 |
| schestowitz | :-o | Sep 15 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Wrong tab? | Sep 15 12:36 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 15 12:58 |
| trmanco | that quote sates that "Baboo" bans users who talk great about free software | Sep 15 12:59 |
| trmanco | http://www.babooforum.com.br/forum/ | Sep 15 13:00 |
| trmanco | it's all about microsoft | Sep 15 13:00 |
| trmanco | they use the windows logo as if they owned it, it would really break there hearts if microsoft were to sue them because of that | Sep 15 13:01 |
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| schestowitz | Blur Switzerland more, Google ordered http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/15/street_view_switzerland/ | Sep 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | "After spending US$30 billion to buy 56 companies, he has doubled the software giant's revenues to an estimated US$24 billion this fiscal year and sent Oracle's stock surging." http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62057752,00.htm | Sep 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | And this is good news?? TO whom? | Sep 15 20:25 |
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| trmanco | http://tek.sapo.pt/opiniao/opiniao_a_estrategia_da_microsoft_em_relacao_1017868.html | Sep 15 23:39 |
| trmanco | trash talk | Sep 15 23:39 |
| trmanco | jump all the way to the end, find the * and take you conclusions about the guy | Sep 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | "(*) Responsável pela área de Plataformas e Interoperabilidade na Microsoft Portugal." | Sep 15 23:40 |
| trmanco | see | Sep 15 23:41 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Translation: Mister shillpresentative does pseudo-interop for Mugabesoft intl" | Sep 15 23:41 |
| trmanco | frsutrating isn't it | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | These people disgust me | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They work for a criminal company | Sep 15 23:41 |
| trmanco | stupid hypocrites | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | And they spread the lies | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | THey Want to Believe(TM) | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | THey try to beautify working for the mafia | Sep 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Like,... "Oh, our mafia don saves poor puppies..." | Sep 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | TBH, there are other criminal entities worth scrutinising | Sep 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | But it's easy to lose focus | Sep 15 23:42 |
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| fewa | just kick Daemon | Sep 16 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Sep 16 08:44 |
| fewa | hate, hate, hate, hate, hate | Sep 16 08:48 |
| schestowitz | I would appear like censoring opposing views | Sep 16 08:48 |
| fewa | when he conflates huge masses of people as "deranged" I don't think he is as much of a opposing view than a fringe view | Sep 16 08:54 |
| fewa | Hate speech is differn't from free speech | Sep 16 08:58 |
| fewa | but I guess he can bring it upon himself | Sep 16 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Keep him off politics... | Sep 16 09:10 |
| fewa | a decent Statement by my senator http://cantwell.senate.gov/news/record.cfm?id=317611 | Sep 16 09:24 |
| fewa | ( on health care) | Sep 16 09:24 |
| schestowitz | The PR/lobby will shoot it down | Sep 16 09:29 |
| schestowitz | You don't mess with FraudStreet ! :-) Lawyer politicians can't overrule the 'market forces' | Sep 16 09:30 |
| fewa | Its just commen sense | Sep 16 09:32 |
| fewa | the public health care in Washington state is pretty good | Sep 16 09:32 |
| fewa | although it has alot of severe budget problems | Sep 16 09:32 |
| fewa | " * Increasing the availability of primary care physicians" | Sep 16 09:33 |
| fewa | "Expanding options for long-term care so that seniors can opt to remain in their homes, enabling them to live with dignity while achieving significant Medicaid savings." | Sep 16 09:33 |
| schestowitz | == | Sep 16 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Sep 16 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > ZDNet is doing more MS shilling: | Sep 16 10:19 |
| schestowitz | > http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013796o-2000331761b,00.htm?s_cid=259 | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > According to Dell and others nothing is wrong with the netbooks or with | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > user expectactions. | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > What is wrong are the idiots and assholes who have recently begun to | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > publish video in closed formats instead of traditional MPEG or | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > Quicktime. The modern option is, of course, Ogg Theora which is now | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > recognized by default in Firefox. | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > FWIW, HTML has supported the <OBJECT> element for over a decade, | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > allowing video to be embedded in web pages since December 1998. | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40-971218/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > ZDNet is doing more MS shilling: | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013796o-2000331761b,00.htm?s_cid=259 | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > According to Dell and others nothing is wrong with the netbooks or with | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > user expectactions. | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > What is wrong are the idiots and assholes who have recently begun to | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > publish video in closed formats instead of traditional MPEG or | Sep 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | > Quicktime. The modern option is, of course, Ogg Theora which is now | Sep 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > recognized by default in Firefox. | Sep 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > FWIW, HTML has supported the <OBJECT> element for over a decade, | Sep 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > allowing video to be embedded in web pages since December 1998. | Sep 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 16 10:21 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40-971218/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT | Sep 16 10:21 |
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| fewa | this makes me believe in humanity http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/rob-miller-wilsons-oppone_n_281931.html | Sep 16 12:16 |
| trmanco | "Given that M$ has officially shot-down all current Windows XP users by not | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | issuing a patch for a DoS level issue, I'm now curious to find out whether | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | or not any brave souls out there are already working or willing to work on | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | an open-source patch to remediate the issue within XP. | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | I realize some of you might be tempted to relay the M$ BS about "not being | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | feasible because it's a lot of work" rhetoric... I would just like to hear | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | the thoughts of the true experts subscribed to these lists" | Sep 16 12:53 |
| trmanco | http://securethoughts.com/2009/09/exploiting-chrome-and-operas-inbuilt-atomrss-reader-with-script-execution-and-more/ | Sep 16 12:55 |
| MinceR | that "open-source patch" exists in countless varieties already :> | Sep 16 12:55 |
| MinceR | "a lot of work" is bullshit, they just need to get the update of the bsd code they stole in the first place | Sep 16 12:55 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 16 12:56 |
| trmanco | but they still need to reverse engineer the windows tcp/ip stack, no? | Sep 16 12:56 |
| trmanco | I'm sure they changed something | Sep 16 12:56 |
| MinceR | then they can steal the new version | Sep 16 12:57 |
| fewa | just need to git merge v8.0freebsd | Sep 16 13:03 |
| fewa | but i guess they cant use git cause their operating system sucks | Sep 16 13:03 |
| fewa | ive heard Microsoft version control practices are a mess | Sep 16 13:04 |
| MinceR | hm, i wonder if the XP Mode in vista7 is vulnerable | Sep 16 13:05 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone knowledgeable told me that Microsoft may have lost track of source code | Sep 16 13:06 |
| schestowitz | That would explain why they are so wary about making a 'fix' and also given the exodus from Microsoft, it's possible that those with an answer no longer work there | Sep 16 13:07 |
| MinceR | fun | Sep 16 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Theory | Sep 16 13:08 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 16 13:12 |
| trmanco | bbl | Sep 16 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | 94.246.126.114 resolves to | Sep 16 16:58 |
| schestowitz | "t07-03.opera-mini.net" | Sep 16 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Top Level Domain: "opera-mini.net" | Sep 16 16:58 |
| schestowitz | WHat is this? A mobile browser? | Sep 16 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Kazakh might be a hoax | Sep 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | So I looked up IP | Sep 16 17:02 |
| schestowitz | "@migueldeicaza Sam Varghese has the journalistic standards of Glenn Schestowitz. Consider a hit piece as a badge of honour." http://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/4030960363 | Sep 16 17:07 |
| trmanco | opera mini is a mini browser | Sep 16 17:09 |
| trmanco | mobile phones | Sep 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | iirc opera mini is a j2me browser | Sep 16 17:09 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | and it probably runs partially off the phone, on servers | Sep 16 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Sep 16 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Some folks want to recruit me for advise... :-| | Sep 16 19:33 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 16 19:33 |
| trmanco | go for it | Sep 16 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm occasionally available all the time and I could use a side job.... | Sep 16 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Don't know if I can spare the time | Sep 16 19:34 |
| schestowitz | It's a startup | Sep 16 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I was ranked 17th in Digg a few years ago: http://digg.com/users/schestowitz/ | Sep 16 19:34 |
| schestowitz | 2 years as a Navigator at Netscape: http://www.propeller.com/member/schestowitz/ | Sep 16 19:34 |
| schestowitz | But I'd rather do research... | Sep 16 19:34 |
| schestowitz | We'll see. | Sep 16 19:34 |
| fewa_ | Navigator, Explorer, Konquorer | Sep 16 19:40 |
| *fewa_ is now known as fewa | Sep 16 19:40 | |
| fewa | "Medical Biophysics" -- how does this differ from biochemistry? | Sep 16 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Very much so | Sep 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I might want to move to other types of research in the future | Sep 16 19:43 |
| fewa | like physics of small particles? | Sep 16 19:43 |
| fewa | also, how does this differ from biology? | Sep 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | MRI and all. | Sep 16 19:44 |
| fewa | ahhhh | Sep 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | So yeah, resonance | Sep 16 19:44 |
| fewa | ok | Sep 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Academia is good | Sep 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | RMS has hung around in MIT for 30+ years | Sep 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky 50+ | Sep 16 19:45 |
| fewa | Things are most peaceful at the lions nest | Sep 16 19:45 |
| fewa | of course that was for Chomsky | Sep 16 19:45 |
| fewa | MIT: the hub of military-funded research | Sep 16 19:46 |
| fewa | at least in Chomsky's heydays | Sep 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Still is... | Sep 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | CIA recruitment... | Sep 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Wait, I'll fetch a vid I saw the other day | Sep 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | It's around this part (maybe the next question): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDLh3bxWAUk&feature=related | Sep 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Man asked Noam what to do about CIA handing out flyers in MIT | Sep 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Panasonic: New LED bulbs shine for 19 years http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10350053-1.html | Sep 16 19:58 |
| trmanco | the only thing that is missing in kde is a image editor like gimp | Sep 16 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8258473.stm "The three-minute clip shows a young blonde woman, trying to find a man whom she had a one night stand with, who fathered her child "August"." | Sep 16 20:00 |
| schestowitz | WInMo is not dead, yet. http://www.pcworld.com/article/172073/windows_mobile_support.html?tk=rss_news | Sep 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: sudo apt-get install gimp | Sep 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Gets you the latest, faster than the GUI route even | Sep 16 20:03 |
| trmanco | no gnome stuff | Sep 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes, GNOME stuff | Sep 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Just not by default | Sep 16 20:03 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to Google, d/l, install retrart | Sep 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | It takes me seconds | Sep 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | but it's GTK | Sep 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu might drop GIMP too | Sep 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | For Monospot | Sep 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you use 9.10? | Sep 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | I'm programed to void gtk__(void); | Sep 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 16 20:04 |
| trmanco | I'm on stable | Sep 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | GTK here looks OK | Sep 16 20:05 |
| trmanco | 9.04 | Sep 16 20:05 |
| trmanco | here too | Sep 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Firefox fonts larger than I hope though | Sep 16 20:05 |
| trmanco | I like'me like that | Sep 16 20:05 |
| trmanco | fonts in netbeans are larger too | Sep 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | If Fedora promotes KDE, then I might try it | Sep 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Pardus is interesting too | Sep 16 20:05 |
| schestowitz | But doesn't have the latest KDE | Sep 16 20:05 |
| trmanco | they use to be like that before I recieved som update in gnome that shrinked the netbeans font to almost 20% | Sep 16 20:06 |
| fewa | schestowitz, lawl drop gimp | Sep 16 20:07 |
| fewa | as soon as they do that I bail ship | Sep 16 20:07 |
| fewa | dropping a superior cornerstone application | Sep 16 20:08 |
| fewa | its the reason GTK exists | Sep 16 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Social notworking gets voice chat http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1533609/facebook-squares-skype | Sep 16 20:08 |
| fewa | GIMP Tool Kit | Sep 16 20:08 |
| trmanco | http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/yahoo-search-engineers/ | Sep 16 20:10 |
| trmanco | haha | Sep 16 20:10 |
| trmanco | see that | Sep 16 20:10 |
| trmanco | I'm sire Yahoo'ers will apreciate thise | Sep 16 20:11 |
| trmanco | this* | Sep 16 20:11 |
| schestowitz | YEah. | Sep 16 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I read about it earlier | Sep 16 20:18 |
| trmanco | Innovation -> http://fastflip.googlelabs.com | Sep 16 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. | Sep 16 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I'll stick with Thunbderbrowse | Sep 16 20:19 |
| fewa | trmanco, innovation is emulating a out of date paper interface? | Sep 16 20:21 |
| trmanco | the question we should ask is, "have you seen anything like that"? | Sep 16 20:22 |
| trmanco | it's the new way of reading news/newspapers/magazines :-P | Sep 16 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Google gives users what they want | Sep 16 20:24 |
| schestowitz | I quite like GOogle News | Sep 16 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Handy pointers | Sep 16 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Some branched | Sep 16 20:24 |
| schestowitz | I dumped Yahoo! News in March 2008 and again when they signed the deal (I gave them a second change) | Sep 16 20:24 |
| schestowitz | *Chance | Sep 16 20:24 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Google gives users what they want | Sep 16 20:25 |
| fewa | truth | Sep 16 20:25 |
| fewa | schestowitz, Chomsky is great there | Sep 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Sep 16 20:28 |
| fewa | Eritis sicut deus scientes bonum et malum | Sep 16 20:29 |
| fewa | response to the CIA question | Sep 16 20:29 |
| fewa | well, hes always great | Sep 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I ran out of his material | Sep 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | After a while you cover his points and it becomes repeptitive | Sep 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | No offence | Sep 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | But same jokes, same lines, some vaiation | Sep 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Like the "kids on hill who save the US", the "brave cowboy", "tough love"... | Sep 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | With variations on it | Sep 16 20:33 |
| trmanco | OT: http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/30-css-best-practices-for-beginners/ | Sep 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Same stories over and over again. | Sep 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | His talks become predictable in some sense as he latches onto topics. But older stuff --like with any researcher -- has another distinct theme | Sep 16 20:35 |
| fewa | But it is good | Sep 16 20:38 |
| fewa | I tend to agree with it | Sep 16 20:38 |
| fewa | But yes | Sep 16 20:38 |
| fewa | to much of a person and they will always start repeating | Sep 16 20:39 |
| fewa | *any | Sep 16 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Same with others | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | So I shuffle | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Watch Chamers Johnson | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | He's on Goodman's show sometimes | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Dawkins I 'ran out of' | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Repetitive by now | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Same with Hitchens | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Repertoire limited | Sep 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | RMS is like a broken gramophone | Sep 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "There are 3 freedom......... Freedom 0 is......." | Sep 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | *4 | Sep 16 20:46 |
| fewa | academia promotes intellectual masturbation of otherwise good ideas | Sep 16 20:47 |
| fewa | the discussions should be with the people | Sep 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Academia is waste of time | Sep 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Old modalities | Sep 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Trust me, I'm in it | Sep 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Internet is miles ahead | Sep 16 20:53 |
| fewa | not in a bubble separated from them | Sep 16 20:53 |
| fewa | thats what ive been thinking | Sep 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Peer review is a devil to slow down ideas | Sep 16 20:53 |
| fewa | and I havn't joined academia | Sep 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky can publish his books | Sep 16 20:53 |
| fewa | Internet seems to make it obsolete | Sep 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Papers he has barriers to | Sep 16 20:53 |
| fewa | thats why teachers hate wikipedia | Sep 16 20:53 |
| fewa | makes them useless | Sep 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Like some mogul who wanted to take down his published for publishing Manufacturing Consent IIRC | Sep 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Him and Harmann | Sep 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Book burning ain't possible cause they don't burn well, he says | Sep 16 20:54 |
| fewa | :P | Sep 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia is making academia dead | Sep 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | My POV: | Sep 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Prof writes many papers | Sep 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Prof raves about pubs in CV | Sep 16 20:54 |
| fewa | When the Military tried to restrict encrppyion in the united states the author printed the source code in book ormat | Sep 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Prof thinks the next zillions generations will cherish the papers | Sep 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Then the generation discoveres GOogle.. | Sep 16 20:55 |
| fewa | so he could have clear as day 1st amendment protections | Sep 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | ...and WIkipedia... | Sep 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | And without open access the papers are bitbucket... | Sep 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Junked for good, to be forgotten | Sep 16 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Some profs create sites | Sep 16 20:55 |
| fewa | "NY Times is suppose to be the record of history, it has to tell history from the right POV" | Sep 16 20:55 |
| fewa | -- Chomsky | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Lame addresses like x.edu/~me | Sep 16 20:56 |
| fewa | it will be the microfische | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | And then they don't know how to presentwork | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | They can't even serve static pages | Sep 16 20:56 |
| fewa | according to their view of the order of the world | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Lessig tried | Sep 16 20:56 |
| fewa | ? | Sep 16 20:56 |
| fewa | i read lessig's blog | Sep 16 20:56 |
| trmanco | http://www.businessinsider.com/google-to-buy-brightcove-2009-9 | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | It's ended | Sep 16 20:56 |
| fewa | he discontinued it | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | He annoucned it | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | He can't find time for lessig.org | Sep 16 20:56 |
| trmanco | look at google's stock price | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | \:-( | Sep 16 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I read it | Sep 16 20:56 |
| fewa | He continues to give talks | Sep 16 20:57 |
| fewa | they should have transcripts | Sep 16 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Update: The "rumor that Google is buying Brightcove is in fact false," claims Web video analyst Dan Rayburn. He cites an employee "I trust" at one of the companies, who would not talk on the record. | Sep 16 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Nothing to see here, move along? | Sep 16 20:57 |
| schestowitz | fewa: they do | Sep 16 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Many of his books are talks-derived | Sep 16 20:57 |
| schestowitz | That's how he made over 1000 books | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | He prepares talks | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Others make book from these | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | So he has a rhythm going | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of text myself | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | TONS even | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Might be useful one day | Sep 16 20:58 |
| fewa | His talks are very good | Sep 16 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | He mastered comms skills | Sep 16 20:59 |
| fewa | But I have trouble repeating his sound logic to oldsters indoctrinated into the mass media | Sep 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | It's his area -- linguistics | Sep 16 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Also organisation of logical rguments | Sep 16 20:59 |
| fewa | they are so eager to conflate academia politics with real read-write culture | Sep 16 21:00 |
| fewa | The key fact that the 20th century is the century of top-down mass media | Sep 16 21:00 |
| fewa | Radio, TV, broadcast mediums | Sep 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | We run them over on the Web | Sep 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I enjoy seeing it | Sep 16 21:01 |
| fewa | Internet is fundamentally differnt | Sep 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | They know it well | Sep 16 21:01 |
| fewa | My dad doesn't get it | Sep 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | They are losing and sacking their obedient 'reporters' | Sep 16 21:01 |
| fewa | he thinks you "tune into" the internet | Sep 16 21:01 |
| schestowitz | fewa: nope, pull versus push | Sep 16 21:01 |
| fewa | I couldn't make him get the point that the internet doesn't work like that | Sep 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | You select what you want to read | Sep 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I like YouTUbe | Sep 16 21:02 |
| fewa | Exactly | Sep 16 21:02 |
| fewa | Exactly | Sep 16 21:02 |
| fewa | Exactly | Sep 16 21:02 |
| fewa | He just couldn't get it | Sep 16 21:02 |
| fewa | too stuck on broadcast | Sep 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | It's easier that way | Sep 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They tell us what WE want | Sep 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Rather than we asking THEM what we wish to know | Sep 16 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Broadcast is centralised | Sep 16 21:02 |
| fewa | I have to explain to people that you cant "split the signal" of internet | Sep 16 21:03 |
| fewa | like a broadcast medium like cable tv | Sep 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I'km watching Obama Deception these days | Sep 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Good doc | Sep 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | But I don't like Alex Jones | Sep 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | He's a bastard | Sep 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | He also cursed Chomsky and others | Sep 16 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Called him a "shill" and went mental | Sep 16 21:03 |
| fewa | Broadcast is excellently analyzed in Noam Chomskys opus Manufacturing Consent | Sep 16 21:03 |
| fewa | *of politics | Sep 16 21:03 |
| fewa | I should read the book | Sep 16 21:03 |
| fewa | ive only watched the movie | Sep 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | That's a way of paying him | Sep 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Monetary reward | Sep 16 21:04 |
| fewa | yeah | Sep 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Web 2.0 biz models | Sep 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I got a job basically giving away GPL code | Sep 16 21:04 |
| fewa | The other things a oldie friend of mind didn't seem to get | Sep 16 21:04 |
| schestowitz | There's money and fun in it.... liike GSOC | Sep 16 21:04 |
| fewa | libraries are good | Sep 16 21:05 |
| fewa | but with alive articles copyright can be a funding method | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | ABundance versus intellecutal monopolies | Sep 16 21:05 |
| fewa | *live authors | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Distribution of wealth enabled | Sep 16 21:05 |
| fewa | I think it should be optional | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Libraries will change | Sep 16 21:05 |
| fewa | the optional method certainly works in music | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Digitised | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Then printing halted | Sep 16 21:05 |
| fewa | you pay for a concert, a shirt, a signed album | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | No pagination, either | Sep 16 21:05 |
| schestowitz | In due time | Sep 16 21:05 |
| fewa | but you don't pay to listen to recorded music | Sep 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Scanning is about converging old with new | Sep 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | fewa: the artists can sell other stuff | Sep 16 21:06 |
| fewa | anyways, the US Constitution states that congress can grant copyrights over "the useful arts" | Sep 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I listen to over 1000 free tracks these days | Sep 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Given away by the artists | Sep 16 21:06 |
| fewa | I dont see what is useful (dont to disparage) about music | Sep 16 21:06 |
| fewa | in the utility sense in which it was intended | Sep 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | It's outdated | Sep 16 21:06 |
| schestowitz | But it's good for Fat Cats | Sep 16 21:07 |
| fewa | schestowitz, the artists cant sell recorded music | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | So they defend it | Sep 16 21:07 |
| fewa | that is dead | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Like the bankster defend Obama | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | It's mututal | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | RIAA is in DOJ | Sep 16 21:07 |
| fewa | its free marketing for where the real cast is: life performances | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | JOD in RIAA | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | DOJ | Sep 16 21:07 |
| fewa | *cash | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | And White House chief of staff is a former bankster | Sep 16 21:07 |
| fewa | copyright of recorded music is unconstitutional | Sep 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | fewa: less money overall, though | Sep 16 21:07 |
| fewa | its not a useful art | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Scarcity is artificial | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | In this case anyway | Sep 16 21:08 |
| fewa | it doesn't contribute to the "progress of the useful arts" | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Complictaed. | Sep 16 21:08 |
| fewa | _Recorded music._ | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | As for me.... | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I believe... | Sep 16 21:08 |
| fewa | This is only about recorded music | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | To balance society... | Sep 16 21:08 |
| fewa | when I will take such a absolute stand without being abashed | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | We must give a voice of expression to many people... | Sep 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Not few | Sep 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | 'Premium' people/content | Sep 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | It promotes elitism | Sep 16 21:09 |
| fewa | I have done musician stuff | Sep 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | ICosn | Sep 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Icons | Sep 16 21:09 |
| fewa | Played music with people who have lived their whole life in music | Sep 16 21:09 |
| fewa | I think there can be a rationale for copyright of sheet music | Sep 16 21:10 |
| fewa | copyright for lyrics | Sep 16 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Music can be done along with other stuff | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | but i just dont see it with recorded music: something completely made for consumption, and not for any utility | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | People don't like being forced to pay | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Some want to pay | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | or for education | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | They would | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | schestowitz, exactly | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | and people _do_ pay | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | But it's a capitalist dilemma | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | they pay for concerts, they pay for merchendise | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | The whole thing about peer exhange | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | no need to force a monopoly | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | WHere eventually you might not need money | Sep 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Just incentives to create | Sep 16 21:11 |
| fewa | schestowitz, but a case where capitalism is _not_ a free market | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Kerala does well | Sep 16 21:12 |
| fewa | it is the opposite-- a mandated monopoly | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Very pacifist from what I can gather | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | They use the Stalin-Lenin examples to create fear | Sep 16 21:12 |
| fewa | markets really only apply well to commodities | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Free market is not good | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | It's ripe for corruption | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Proven fact | Sep 16 21:12 |
| fewa | as soon as something is not a commodity free market principals ceaseto apply | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | History teaches | Sep 16 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Regulated how? I don't know. There's no utopian thing | Sep 16 21:13 |
| schestowitz | . | Sep 16 21:13 |
| fewa | free market can only function if essential items of consumption are commodities | Sep 16 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Opposite, no? | Sep 16 21:13 |
| fewa | And only regulation can keep things comodittees | Sep 16 21:13 |
| fewa | WW2 did this | Sep 16 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Scarcity being OOXML for instance; ODF is abandance | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | *abundance | Sep 16 21:14 |
| fewa | The Government decided what was and wasn't needed | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Office is scarcity | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Because of lockin | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Focing use | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I need that Borat story | Sep 16 21:14 |
| fewa | collected data and ran studies on tailoring measurments of men in the army for emample | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Kazakh | Sep 16 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will try to pull a Quinn on Borat | Sep 16 21:14 |
| fewa | created the data neccicary to operate free market industry | Sep 16 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Friedman is a dick | Sep 16 21:15 |
| fewa | and the monosposy to make monopolies not possible and not a distraction | Sep 16 21:15 |
| schestowitz | And his followers at the Fed | Sep 16 21:15 |
| schestowitz | They drove the US into the ground | Sep 16 21:15 |
| schestowitz | While being hailed as heroes | Sep 16 21:15 |
| fewa | Microsoft functions by hindering the commoditization of procots | Sep 16 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 16 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Admittedly | Sep 16 21:15 |
| fewa | inhibiting the function of the marke | Sep 16 21:16 |
| fewa | same with insurance companies | Sep 16 21:16 |
| fewa | these are the massive failures of the market | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Sep 16 21:16 |
| fewa | I think people should review feudalism | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Not a UK issue | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Thankfully. | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | fewa: which people? Top 10%? | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | People are dumb. | Sep 16 21:16 |
| fewa | A "free market" based on contracts is essentially what feudalism was | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | They watch what's ont he tube | Sep 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | They can't 'remember' feudalism | Sep 16 21:17 |
| fewa | Thats what pure ideologs of "free market" want | Sep 16 21:17 |
| schestowitz | SA might still remember | Sep 16 21:17 |
| fewa | they want a restoration of the power structure of feudalism | Sep 16 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Like India remember colonisation and Israel remembers the holocaust | Sep 16 21:17 |
| fewa | the market is good | Sep 16 21:17 |
| schestowitz | People like to be intructed | Sep 16 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Natural trait | Sep 16 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Make leader, then follow | Sep 16 21:17 |
| fewa | but its been turned into a dogma that poisons its own nature | Sep 16 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe related to parenthood instinct | Sep 16 21:18 |
| fewa | Joseph Stiglitz for example | Sep 16 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Baby follows parent's example instinctively | Sep 16 21:18 |
| fewa | when he left IMF | Sep 16 21:18 |
| schestowitz | People like to be given orders by patent figures | Sep 16 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Like OBAMAA even | Sep 16 21:18 |
| fewa | yes | Sep 16 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Or military | Sep 16 21:18 |
| schestowitz | And commander | Sep 16 21:18 |
| schestowitz | GWB wish full heavy combat great LOL LOL | Sep 16 21:18 |
| fewa | The Obama model is a dictatorial model: a Obama brand is sold, and people are expected to parrot his ideas | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | *with | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | The man who ran away from service lands in an F16 | Sep 16 21:19 |
| fewa | instead of the democratic model where the association will kick out the leader if he/she doesn't represent the peoples views | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | fewa: 'his' ideas are being discarded | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | He says one thing, then does another | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | No-one notices | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Cause the public is dumb | Sep 16 21:19 |
| schestowitz | It's waiting for the speech speech speech speech | Sep 16 21:20 |
| fewa | schestowitz, each person is responsible for the predictable consequesces of their actions | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | We all suffer though | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | It's not like "you pay for your mistakes" | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | WE pay for your mistakes | Sep 16 21:20 |
| fewa | schestowitz, also, politicians and media always portray the people as dumber than they are | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Voting, lack of uprise, etc. | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Collective responsibility | Sep 16 21:20 |
| fewa | the people that I meet are highly creative and have great common sense | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | fewa: makes it work | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | People then admire the Big People | Sep 16 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Gotta keep their ego low | Sep 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Glamour magazine= you look ugly | Sep 16 21:21 |
| fewa | " | Sep 16 21:21 |
| fewa | Those who have put out the peoples eyes reproach them of their blindness - John Milton 1642 | Sep 16 21:21 |
| fewa | " | Sep 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Army heroes = you're a skinny runt | Sep 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Rich people like Trump = why are you such a lazy bastard? | Sep 16 21:21 |
| fewa | yeah Obamas decisions, not "ideas" in the abstract | Sep 16 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Before you know it American citizens are surrounded by adoration for others | Sep 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | People want to be famous singers | Sep 16 21:22 |
| fewa | anyways.... | Sep 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | People want to be Rambo | Sep 16 21:22 |
| schestowitz | People want to be rich, so they work 2 jobs | Sep 16 21:22 |
| fewa | schestowitz, they work two jobs because they cant pay rend and support a wife and 2 kidds | Sep 16 21:22 |
| fewa | schestowitz, in fact they work two jobs and their wife works one too | Sep 16 21:22 |
| fewa | as both member of the household are now expected to earn there is no safty net for the middle class | Sep 16 21:23 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A | Sep 16 21:24 |
| fewa | ^^^ extremely clear view of the economic realities of the United States (and elsewhere in the developed world) | Sep 16 21:24 |
| fewa | the sqeeze of the middle class | Sep 16 21:24 |
| fewa | and they are not the only ones being squeezed | Sep 16 21:25 |
| fewa | Obama is trying to cook the books on inflation, so that he can pay less on social security | Sep 16 21:25 |
| fewa | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/us/politics/03benefits.html | Sep 16 21:26 |
| fewa | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2323030/posts | Sep 16 21:26 |
| fewa | They are announcing something before the numbers are even out | Sep 16 21:26 |
| fewa | they are dictating what inflation will be | Sep 16 21:27 |
| fewa | actually i have not really read much on that | Sep 16 21:28 |
| schestowitz | yes, I heard | Sep 16 21:30 |
| *schestowitz bookmarked The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class for later viewing | Sep 16 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | I need to finish ENd Game and Fox ownage first | Sep 16 21:31 |
| fewa | Elizabeth Warren is great | Sep 16 21:33 |
| fewa | Lessig plugs a movie she played a big frole in: Maxed Out, about credit card debt and collection practices | Sep 16 21:34 |
| fewa | And also plugs her as being single-handedly involved in influencing Hilary Clinton with a Op-ed, into convinving her husband when he was president to drop support for the Credit Card company handout Act (paraphrase) | Sep 16 21:35 |
| fewa | In his change-congress video | Sep 16 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Just one? | Sep 16 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I saw 2 | Sep 16 21:55 |
| fewa | Not sure | Sep 16 22:00 |
| fewa | the one where hilary "flips" | Sep 16 22:01 |
| trmanco | "This is simply Microsofts way of forcing you to upgrade your OS. They | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | pulled the same shenanigans with Windows 2000, if you do not recall. | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | I'd have to say, it's time to re-evaluate where you are funneling your | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | $$$. If the vendor that you PAID your hard earned dollars to is not | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | supporting their product like they said they would, then it's time to | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | move on. | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | There are plenty of alternatives out there. No one says you have to | Sep 16 22:11 |
| trmanco | run Windows." | Sep 16 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Sep 16 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Sep 16 22:12 |
| schestowitz | NG? | Sep 16 22:12 |
| schestowitz | "The only source of knowledge is experience." - Albert Einstein. | Sep 16 22:12 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 16 22:13 |
| trmanco | mailing list | Sep 16 22:13 |
| trmanco | it's a huge thread | Sep 16 22:13 |
| trmanco | good read too | Sep 16 22:13 |
| trmanco | give me a moment | Sep 16 22:13 |
| schestowitz | nm | Sep 16 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about it | Sep 16 22:14 |
| schestowitz | I can't cite mailing lists | Sep 16 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Pointless | Sep 16 22:14 |
| trmanco | why? | Sep 16 22:15 |
| trmanco | pointless... meh | Sep 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Don't bother wasting time on discussions vs developments | Sep 16 22:26 |
| schestowitz | There's op-ed, news, powwow, controversy, etc | Sep 16 22:26 |
| schestowitz | News matters the most | Sep 16 22:26 |
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| trmanco | google groups search is b0rked | Sep 16 22:56 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Sep 16 22:58 |
| schestowitz | That ought to slow down some trolls | Sep 16 22:58 |
| trmanco | but I'm actually courious about a DR square | Sep 16 23:00 |
| trmanco | curious | Sep 16 23:00 |
| trmanco | in the middle of all this mess | Sep 16 23:01 |
| trmanco | I found this http://www.kegel.com/nt-linux-benchmarks.html | Sep 16 23:01 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 16 23:03 |
| trmanco | excellent | Sep 16 23:03 |
| trmanco | advanced search works | Sep 16 23:04 |
| trmanco | btw | Sep 16 23:08 |
| trmanco | where is mark kent? | Sep 16 23:08 |
| trmanco | usenet seemed so active back in early 2000 -2002 | Sep 16 23:10 |
| trmanco | more active* | Sep 16 23:10 |
| trmanco | a lot of people just disappeared | Sep 16 23:14 |
| schestowitz | No ISP access | Sep 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | It's being phased out | Sep 16 23:35 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 16 23:46 |
| trmanco | how can someone get random sigs in knode? | Sep 16 23:58 |
| schestowitz | run a script | Sep 17 00:31 |
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| trmanco | I'll have to do something in bash or perl :| | Sep 17 09:05 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Sep 17 10:30 |
| schestowitz | There's already stuff out there | Sep 17 10:30 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2006/February_2006_1/msg00053.html | Sep 17 10:31 |
| trmanco | ah | Sep 17 11:48 |
| trmanco | I already have a script like that | Sep 17 11:48 |
| trmanco | man fortune | Sep 17 11:48 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you can achieve more complex stuff | Sep 17 11:52 |
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| schestowitz | Do Gorbachev’s clothes fit Medvedev? http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/russia-theme/do-gorbachev-s-clothes-fit-medvedev | Sep 17 12:28 |
| MinceR | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/Agwa8413/st010044.jpg | Sep 17 13:19 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 17 13:23 |
| trmanco | wolverine has some anger management problems | Sep 17 13:23 |
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| fewa | i guess I have to stay off politics | Sep 17 15:02 |
| fewa | I knew that video would be controversial | Sep 17 15:02 |
| MinceR | i'm getting tired of his redneck jesusland advertisement bullshit | Sep 17 15:07 |
| fewa | The United States does have problems | Sep 17 15:10 |
| fewa | here in the west racism is not so strong | Sep 17 15:12 |
| fewa | this hate speech is not conducive to good discussion | Sep 17 15:13 |
| MinceR | he is inconsistent with himself | Sep 17 15:14 |
| fewa | i support a ban | Sep 17 15:16 |
| fewa | he hasn't even read about that Sotomayor firefighters case | Sep 17 15:16 |
| schestowitz | LOL @ " redneck jesusland advertisement bullshit" | Sep 17 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Artwork team starts delivering - Four cool themes and two icon sets to start with! http://ubuntumanual.org/posts/244/ubuntu-artwork-team-starts-delivering-four-cool-themes-and-two-icon-sets-to-start-with | Sep 17 15:19 |
| fewa | I have not been to Indiana, but it is in the general geographical location where alot of the 1950+ American stereotypes seem to come from | Sep 17 15:19 |
| fewa | not the "yankee" stereotypes | Sep 17 15:25 |
| schestowitz | They are intolerant of gays like Ryan | Sep 17 15:26 |
| schestowitz | So he's a bitter wreck | Sep 17 15:26 |
| fewa | he should move to the west | Sep 17 15:27 |
| fewa | its much more tolerant | Sep 17 15:27 |
| schestowitz | I think he lives with his parents | Sep 17 15:27 |
| schestowitz | But that's off topic anyway | Sep 17 15:27 |
| schestowitz | He's clever but annoying | Sep 17 15:27 |
| fewa | how do you know hes gay? | Sep 17 15:28 |
| schestowitz | He says it | Sep 17 15:29 |
| fewa | hmm | Sep 17 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Video of him: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/11/vista-7-review/ | Sep 17 15:30 |
| fewa | I'm glad I have not been around American racism | Sep 17 15:34 |
| fewa | Interesting thing I read about Peoples History of the United States is that Zinn describes that the upper class promoted racism in the south as a means of supporting the economic model of slavery | Sep 17 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Andy Zim? | Sep 17 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Zinn? | Sep 17 15:38 |
| fewa | Howard Zinn | Sep 17 15:38 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the guy whose video I saw | Sep 17 15:38 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn | Sep 17 15:39 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People's_History_of_the_United_States | Sep 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the same guy | Sep 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | He looks younger in WIkipedia | Sep 17 15:39 |
| fewa | hes the same generation of Chomsky | Sep 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | He's 87 | Sep 17 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky is 80 | Sep 17 15:40 |
| fewa | o | Sep 17 15:40 |
| schestowitz | "2nd Lieut. Howard Zinn, bombardier, Army Air Force in England, 1945." | Sep 17 15:40 |
| schestowitz | From soldier to anti-war movement | Sep 17 15:40 |
| fewa | Zinn, a veteran of the war himself, notes that "it was the most popular war the US ever fought,"[6] but states that this support may have been manufactured through the institutions of American society. He cites various instances of opposition to fighting (in some cases greater than those during WWI) as proof. Zinn also argues against the US's stated intentions to fight racism in Europe, as it was not fighting against systematic racism in the | Sep 17 15:40 |
| fewa | US such as the Jim Crow laws (leading to opposition to the war from African-Americans). Another argument made by Zinn is that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not necessary, as the US government had already known that the Japanese were considering surrender beforehand. | Sep 17 15:41 |
| fewa | Zinn reveals how the US government used the Cold War to increase control over the American people (for instance, eliminating such radical elements as the Communist Party) and at the same time create a state of permanent war, which allowed for the creation of the modern military-industrial complex. Zinn believes this was possible because both conservatives and liberals willingly worked together in hysterical reaction to anti-Communism. | Sep 17 15:41 |
| fewa | "creat[ing] a state of permanent war" | Sep 17 15:41 |
| fewa | thats the whole "war on terrorism" | Sep 17 15:43 |
| fewa | it was actually Clinton that created the myth that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction | Sep 17 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 17 15:43 |
| schestowitz | "redeclared in 9/11" as CHomsky put it | Sep 17 15:43 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know | Sep 17 15:43 |
| fewa | Its to fill the void left by the end of the cold war | Sep 17 15:43 |
| schestowitz | A lot of facts about Iran and Iraq history | Sep 17 15:43 |
| schestowitz | From 1953 onwards | Sep 17 15:44 |
| fewa | the Iranian Coup | Sep 17 15:44 |
| fewa | done by the CIA | Sep 17 15:44 |
| schestowitz | War with Eurasia | Sep 17 15:44 |
| fewa | putting Osama in power | Sep 17 15:44 |
| schestowitz | hen Obama | Sep 17 15:44 |
| schestowitz | *then | Sep 17 15:44 |
| fewa | to prevent the soviets from gaining power | Sep 17 15:44 |
| schestowitz | /s/power/oil/ | Sep 17 15:45 |
| fewa | now Obama is esaclating tension between India and Pakistan | Sep 17 15:45 |
| fewa | the US gave _both_ sides Nuclear weapons | Sep 17 15:45 |
| schestowitz | 'gave'? | Sep 17 15:45 |
| fewa | in vagrant violation of the anti nuclear proliferation treaties | Sep 17 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Musharaff is their friend, that's for sure. | Sep 17 15:45 |
| fewa | well it started with nuclear energy | Sep 17 15:45 |
| schestowitz | [not sure about spelling] | Sep 17 15:45 |
| fewa | I don't know alot about it | Sep 17 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Let's see how long I can afford activism for | Sep 17 15:47 |
| trmanco | anybody knows what was the story behind pulseaudio? | Sep 17 20:09 |
| fewa | ? | Sep 17 20:12 |
| trmanco | why was it created | Sep 17 20:12 |
| fewa | I don't see what the hurry was to replace the execellent ALSA | Sep 17 20:12 |
| fewa | which has strong RedHat backing | Sep 17 20:12 |
| fewa | and it doesn't even replace it | Sep 17 20:13 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 17 20:13 |
| fewa | I mean, I see that there could be uses for the server-client nature of pulseaudio over alsa | Sep 17 20:13 |
| trmanco | it's just an extra something | Sep 17 20:13 |
| fewa | but don't see what it has to be made default | Sep 17 20:13 |
| fewa | especially when it doesn't really add anything for non-remote sessions | Sep 17 20:14 |
| fewa | it still just uses ALSA | Sep 17 20:14 |
| trmanco | it adds bloat | Sep 17 20:14 |
| fewa | doesn't provide drivers | Sep 17 20:14 |
| fewa | yet breaks 24-bit audio for example | Sep 17 20:14 |
| fewa | I really do not like it | Sep 17 20:14 |
| fewa | there is another reason why i need to give fedora a better channe | Sep 17 20:14 |
| fewa | and get away from ubuntu | Sep 17 20:14 |
| trmanco | it uses up some cpu cycles | Sep 17 20:14 |
| trmanco | that's is pretty much it | Sep 17 20:15 |
| fewa | the only real reason would be the client-server nature | Sep 17 20:15 |
| fewa | or if politically someone wanted to not use ALSA directly | Sep 17 20:15 |
| fewa | Linux audio is far to complicated however | Sep 17 20:16 |
| fewa | and pulse should be made as a sort of ALSA backend | Sep 17 20:16 |
| fewa | with no new API--which I think it does have | Sep 17 20:16 |
| fewa | although i have not used any of these things | Sep 17 20:16 |
| trmanco | alsa should have a system wide EQ | Sep 17 20:18 |
| fewa | schestowitz, | Sep 17 20:30 |
| fewa | so will industrial processes bring down the cost of MRI machines? | Sep 17 20:31 |
| fewa | or is there no market pressures for it | Sep 17 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It's all separate | Sep 17 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I still wonder sometimes (like this afternoon) if those MRI experiments I did for a friend can cause cancer | Sep 17 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just an exaggerated worry because of a documentary I've watched | Sep 17 20:37 |
| fewa | Cause computers have braught down the cost of pretty much everything | Sep 17 20:51 |
| fewa | the 2 industries which have not massively gone up in efficence and gone down in cost are education and healthcare | Sep 17 20:51 |
| fewa | the internet is addressing education | Sep 17 20:51 |
| schestowitz | 'eduction'....... | Sep 17 20:51 |
| fewa | schestowitz, formal schools | Sep 17 20:51 |
| schestowitz | We don't need organised 'education' anymore.. | Sep 17 20:51 |
| fewa | yes | Sep 17 20:51 |
| fewa | exactly | Sep 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Experience and exploration can do | Sep 17 20:52 |
| fewa | internet makes it obsolete | Sep 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | A lot of damage is done at schools | Sep 17 20:52 |
| fewa | and #2 is healthcare | Sep 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Early indoctrination for toddlers and adolescents | Sep 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Puts them in the framework, sometimes military.. | Sep 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Health care I'm not too familiar with in the US | Sep 17 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I rarely need any health advice, so far | Sep 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I must admit I was mostly shocked by the second part of End Game | Sep 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't trust Alex Jones on the facts at all | Sep 17 20:53 |
| schestowitz | So I want to see these claims disputed | Sep 17 20:53 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 18 08:39 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 18 08:39 | |
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| fewa | im sick of this me-too politics shit | Sep 18 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: where? | Sep 18 10:35 |
| fewa | DaemonFC calling all the Linux core developers stupid | Sep 18 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Diablo? | Sep 18 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Diablo and me don't get along. He threated that he would never be back. | Sep 18 11:14 |
| fewa | I don't oppose | Sep 18 11:35 |
| trmanco | http://agateau.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/indicators-notifications-and-co/ | Sep 18 11:37 |
| trmanco | http://lists.immunitysec.com/pipermail/dailydave/2009-September/005904.html | Sep 18 12:04 |
| schestowitz | It will now get you a SYSTEM shell on Vista and 2008 Server, SP1 or SP2, | Sep 18 12:08 |
| schestowitz | up-to-date or not, as long as its x86. | Sep 18 12:08 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 18 12:14 |
| fewa | really remotely | Sep 18 12:20 |
| fewa | shit | Sep 18 12:20 |
| fewa | friggen swiss cheese | Sep 18 12:20 |
| fewa | http://immunityinc.com/documentation/smb2.html lawl its Comic sans | Sep 18 12:25 |
| fewa | as a desktop font | Sep 18 12:25 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 18 12:26 |
| MinceR | that's some other comic font | Sep 18 12:26 |
| fewa | well ok | Sep 18 12:26 |
| fewa | its not the MS font | Sep 18 12:26 |
| fewa | but similar enough | Sep 18 12:26 |
| fewa | pretty similar | Sep 18 12:26 |
| MinceR | well, it's similar in that it's a handwriting-like font | Sep 18 12:27 |
| MinceR | it looks a lot better than comic sans, though :> | Sep 18 12:28 |
| fewa | don't see why someone would use such a font for a desktop | Sep 18 12:28 |
| fewa | or really anything | Sep 18 12:28 |
| fewa | besides comics | Sep 18 12:28 |
| fewa | it was made so clippy could not use Times New Roman | Sep 18 12:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 18 12:28 |
| fewa | because thats how it was internally | Sep 18 12:29 |
| MinceR | i thought clippy used arial | Sep 18 12:29 |
| MinceR | or system | Sep 18 12:29 |
| fewa | oh maybe | Sep 18 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Clippy is what they're there for | Sep 18 12:29 |
| MinceR | well, some sans serif font anyway | Sep 18 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Now why is smb2 running as system in the first place. | Sep 18 12:29 |
| MinceR | because security is something that happens to other people. | Sep 18 12:30 |
| MinceR | also, because it accesses files on behalf of all users | Sep 18 12:30 |
| fewa | http://www.connare.com/whycomic.htm | Sep 18 12:31 |
| fewa | yeah | Sep 18 12:31 |
| fewa | its the official account | Sep 18 12:31 |
| fewa | it used Times New Roman | Sep 18 12:31 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "Personally, I find Vista’s UAC (User Account Control) as enjoyable and useful as those speed-bumps on some streets that make you slow down to five MPH or take a chance on leaving your exhaust system lying on the road behind you." http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/should-you-upgrade-from-vista-to-windows-7/ | Sep 18 12:31 |
| schestowitz | A lot of Microsoft shills advertise a Vista 7 discounts (for students) now | Sep 18 12:32 |
| schestowitz | As though it's "news" | Sep 18 12:32 |
| fewa | he also uses white on black :P | Sep 18 12:32 |
| fewa | makes me like him | Sep 18 12:32 |
| schestowitz | THey are just promoting it | Sep 18 12:32 |
| fewa | don't fall into the fallacy of thinking the internet has to do what print did | Sep 18 12:32 |
| fewa | the paper is white by default, the screen is black | Sep 18 12:32 |
| schestowitz | More energy efficient | Sep 18 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Google tried it | Sep 18 12:33 |
| *schestowitz uses dark Oxygen theme | Sep 18 12:33 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, does to | Sep 18 12:33 |
| MinceR | only on a CRT | Sep 18 12:33 |
| fewa | ..when i use kde | Sep 18 12:33 |
| MinceR | who uses CRTs nowadays? | Sep 18 12:33 |
| *fewa * does too | Sep 18 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | I use one CRT | Sep 18 12:34 |
| fewa | guess there isnt a default on lcds | Sep 18 12:34 |
| schestowitz | They can be mixed as additional displays | Sep 18 12:34 |
| schestowitz | They do FAR higher res | Sep 18 12:34 |
| MinceR | and don't CRTs use a lot more power than LCDs anyway? | Sep 18 12:34 |
| fewa | wel anyways | Sep 18 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I can do 2500px across on this one | Sep 18 12:34 |
| fewa | you don't have to have a white background on computers | Sep 18 12:34 |
| fewa | thats the difference | Sep 18 12:34 |
| MinceR | none of my CRTs could do that | Sep 18 12:34 |
| MinceR | my laptop can do 1920x1200 though :> | Sep 18 12:34 |
| schestowitz | With the LCD (24') is would do just about 1400px | Sep 18 12:34 |
| fewa | dang | Sep 18 12:35 |
| fewa | I like how laptopo resolutions have increased | Sep 18 12:35 |
| fewa | the DPI | Sep 18 12:35 |
| fewa | or do they call it something differn't in the metric countries? | Sep 18 12:35 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting for OLED desktop displays | Sep 18 12:38 |
| MinceR | hopefully that will stop the flawed subpixel madness | Sep 18 12:38 |
| fewa | http://www.bancomicsans.com/home.html | Sep 18 12:38 |
| MinceR | i agree with that site | Sep 18 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Geocities has lots of comic crap | Sep 18 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Olden days of WIndows 95 and Geocities..... | Sep 18 12:42 |
| schestowitz | <GENERATOR=MICROSOFT WORD> | Sep 18 12:42 |
| fewa | when they should have used Arial | Sep 18 12:42 |
| fewa | out of the mscorefonts set | Sep 18 12:42 |
| MinceR | arial is ugly too | Sep 18 12:42 |
| fewa | well there are not many choices for the net then | Sep 18 12:42 |
| fewa | Times New Roman, Arial, Comic Sans, Courier New, Georgia, Verandana, Trebuchet, Impact | Sep 18 12:43 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web | Sep 18 12:43 |
| fewa | I think web designers still specify those | Sep 18 12:44 |
| fewa | only now is downloadable fonts coming | Sep 18 12:44 |
| fewa | I like dejavu fonts | Sep 18 12:45 |
| fewa | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200906/errord/wtf--2.jpg | Sep 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1534039/apple-software-sends-iphones-coma | Sep 18 13:25 |
| MinceR | fun | Sep 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Makes me wonder about MSBBC: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/18/bbc_sony_ps3/ | Sep 18 13:27 |
| fewa | the apple fanboys stereotype is even used by the big media now | Sep 18 13:30 |
| fewa | cause there are so many of them | Sep 18 13:31 |
| trmanco | http://open-mania.com/2009/09/18/ibm-mete-microsoft-office-para-o-lixo/ | Sep 18 14:09 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 18 14:09 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.pt/#hl=pt-PT&q=ibm+microsoft+office+lixo&meta=lr%3Dlang_pt&fp=4da4eac415a50788 | Sep 18 14:12 |
| trmanco | already on Goog :-P | Sep 18 14:13 |
| trmanco | in front of a microsoft site | Sep 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Sep 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-10356044-266.html | Sep 18 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Palm might be bought by someone on day, but by whom? | Sep 18 16:11 |
| trmanco | Sep 18 16:13 | |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 18 16:14 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: they compere (Android) | Sep 18 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Some said Microsoft, which is foolish | Sep 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft would not buy Linux devices | Sep 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz | They have Danger also | Sep 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58H17S20090918 | Sep 18 16:29 |
| schestowitz | ^OT | Sep 18 16:29 |
| trmanco | so | Sep 18 16:29 |
| trmanco | they can expand there market and buy off palm | Sep 18 16:29 |
| trmanco | their* | Sep 18 16:29 |
| trmanco | just like they did with the captcha thing | Sep 18 16:29 |
| MinceR | http://whncomic.com/strips/2007-03-12.jpg | Sep 18 16:30 |
| trmanco | the DooFus troll is starting to attack me... | Sep 18 16:30 |
| trmanco | I wonder who is next | Sep 18 16:30 |
| trmanco | ... | Sep 18 16:30 |
| fewa | MinceR, awesone | Sep 18 16:35 |
| fewa | *awesome | Sep 18 16:35 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/120 | Sep 18 16:36 |
| fewa | wait not that one | Sep 18 16:36 |
| fewa | hmm guess abstruse goose isn't transcribed like other cartoons are | Sep 18 16:37 |
| fewa | doesn't show up in good | Sep 18 16:38 |
| fewa | Sep 18 16:38 | |
| fewa | by works in the cartoons | Sep 18 16:38 |
| fewa | http://abstrusegoose.com/98 | Sep 18 16:39 |
| fewa | there | Sep 18 16:39 |
| schestowitz | fewa: brilliant! | Sep 18 16:42 |
| fewa | Magic | Sep 18 16:42 |
| schestowitz | That's like me trying to explain science to people who are immersed in stuff like astrology and God | Sep 18 16:43 |
| schestowitz | They don't get the basics | Sep 18 16:43 |
| fewa | you just know they will never get it | Sep 18 16:43 |
| fewa | its like when someone says "there are no coincidences" | Sep 18 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Cancer is "bad luck" (still!) and love is this 'magical thing' | Sep 18 16:43 |
| fewa | thats when i start listening to what they are saying | Sep 18 16:43 |
| fewa | *stop | Sep 18 16:43 |
| schestowitz | fewa: causality | Sep 18 16:43 |
| schestowitz | BN covers astronomy now, I see... [I lost track] | Sep 18 16:44 |
| *schestowitz back later | Sep 18 16:44 | |
| fewa | There was an interesting book with this guy that always talked to partners in terms of the hormones in his brain | Sep 18 16:45 |
| fewa | what do you feel? | Sep 18 16:45 |
| fewa | well a little epinepherin | Sep 18 16:46 |
| fewa | etc etc | Sep 18 16:46 |
| fewa | also http://abstrusegoose.com/31 | Sep 18 16:47 |
| fewa | still think zlg is _Mutex_? | Sep 18 17:55 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does massive discounts over here and even forces technical staff here to wear tshirts with huge Office ads on the back, with a discount advert. Ugly! | Sep 18 19:25 |
| trmanco | yahoo's email search sucks | Sep 18 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I haven't used it since 2001 | Sep 18 19:36 |
| schestowitz | A Director of a company just mailed me. | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ==== | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Roy, | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Just read the article "Novell Lies about SUSE Appliance" | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Sep 18 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | That was a great read. We did settle the case, we felt it more important to fund the company instead of the lawyers. | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Sep 18 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | We have moved on and have introduced a new program for the hosting industry that we think again is the first of it's kind. Basically we are taking enterprise security and offering it for free to the data center so they can provide there customers security past the parameter under a subscription services program. | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Sep 18 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | This approach again is not winning us any friends since we are basically taking and commoditizing identity management supported by a full data encryption protection program and compliance support. | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Sep 18 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | When we can speak off the record I will be happy to share the email that brought us to the legal side of the issue and why we felt we had to do what we did. | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Sep 18 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | I do beleive what you do if valuable to the industry, I wish there were more people like you to have the courage to watch out for the little guy. | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | === | Sep 18 19:37 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > Sorry forgot to add the tri fold. We think security should be affordable | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > and easy to manage. We have achieved this and our customer approach is | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > one of a partnership were we either succeed together or fail together. | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > Our view is we don't sale security we create security that is based on a | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > share the burden approach for success or failure. Try an find me a | Sep 18 19:38 |
| schestowitz | > company that will take on the level of risk with a customer. | Sep 18 19:38 |
| fewa | nice | Sep 18 19:47 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Mutex has trolled less recently | Sep 18 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he can reform | Sep 18 19:48 |
| fewa | i had a fairly good discussion with him | Sep 18 19:48 |
| fewa | started on the offensive so he couldnt get the upperhand | Sep 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna toss him, but he gives little reason now | Sep 18 19:49 |
| fewa | grep for x86 | Sep 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | daemon was the same | Sep 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | As long as he's kept off politics | Sep 18 19:49 |
| fewa | its about not letting them have the upper hand | Sep 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | ANd he moved to Linux recently | Sep 18 19:49 |
| fewa | Daemon still annoying | Sep 18 19:49 |
| fewa | always talking about things already discussed | Sep 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | He's weird | Sep 18 19:49 |
| fewa | way too attention hungry | Sep 18 19:49 |
| fewa | attention, attention, attention, attention, attention, | Sep 18 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 18 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause he has no friends AFAIK | Sep 18 19:50 |
| fewa | zlg started being real | Sep 18 19:50 |
| fewa | but you have to preempt his ability to shill | Sep 18 19:50 |
| MinceR | we are under no obligation to be substitutes for friends | Sep 18 19:50 |
| fewa | ^ | Sep 18 19:50 |
| schestowitz | He has a cat now | Sep 18 19:50 |
| fewa | especially when he is a racist | Sep 18 19:50 |
| fewa | I still kinda support kicking him out over that | Sep 18 19:51 |
| fewa | I just don't tolerate racism | Sep 18 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll give you op | Sep 18 19:51 |
| fewa | or it wasn't really racism | Sep 18 19:51 |
| fewa | but just generally hate/bigotry | Sep 18 19:51 |
| schestowitz | HE does that a lot | Sep 18 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Since Match | Sep 18 19:52 |
| schestowitz | *Carch | Sep 18 19:52 |
| schestowitz | *March | Sep 18 19:52 |
| fewa | I guess computing is full of very immature people | Sep 18 19:52 |
| fewa | /s/full/has/ | Sep 18 19:53 |
| MinceR | the Earth is full of very immature people | Sep 18 19:53 |
| MinceR | fewa: now's your chance to kickban DaemonFC and mutex :> | Sep 18 19:53 |
| fewa | ill wait till a reason... | Sep 18 19:54 |
| MinceR | clones? :> | Sep 18 19:54 |
| fewa | u see that x86 power discussion | Sep 18 19:56 |
| fewa | ? | Sep 18 19:56 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure | Sep 18 19:56 |
| schestowitz | [h]omer is a policer too | Sep 18 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He hasn't patience for shills | Sep 18 19:57 |
| fewa | http://pastebin.com/m40f0bf01 | Sep 18 19:57 |
| fewa | anyways do you think I am right? | Sep 18 19:59 |
| fewa | I kept him on defensive | Sep 18 19:59 |
| MinceR | i think you are | Sep 18 20:00 |
| trmanco | http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/ | Sep 18 20:00 |
| MinceR | though we have yet to see how ARM copes with high-performance applications | Sep 18 20:00 |
| MinceR | (3 GHz multicore ARM CPU?) | Sep 18 20:01 |
| fewa | big thing that led me to that is the hearing that ARM processsors of high power are just as efficient | Sep 18 20:01 |
| fewa | to which i was like Woah | Sep 18 20:01 |
| MinceR | the mozilla build system configuration did mention Qt as an option, i wonder how much it works in Firefox for example | Sep 18 20:01 |
| fewa | as in they can perfectly scale their speed to demand | Sep 18 20:01 |
| MinceR | obviously they can only scale their speed up to a certain limit :) | Sep 18 20:02 |
| MinceR | and we don't know what issues might appear there | Sep 18 20:02 |
| fewa | and with SMP | Sep 18 20:02 |
| fewa | is that being done? | Sep 18 20:02 |
| MinceR | no idea | Sep 18 20:03 |
| trmanco | kdialog --passivepopup "KDE 4 Rokz" | Sep 18 20:06 |
| trmanco | put this in the command line | Sep 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | If Flash and other stuff ports to ARM, then I can make my next desktop an ARM | Sep 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: nice | Sep 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I can modify my bash scripts now :-) | Sep 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | For candy | Sep 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://saviorodrigues.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/avoiding-pitfalls-when-using-open-source-code-in-enterprise-software-development/ "I wonder what portion of enterprises have analyzed their existing software assets to validate that they are in fact the rightful IP owners to the entirety of their internally developed software. " | Sep 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | "IP......" | Sep 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | And these are supposedly "open source" people... | Sep 18 20:14 |
| schestowitz | This one is from IBM, a BIT lobbyist for sw patents | Sep 18 20:15 |
| trmanco | I checking out the python docs | Sep 19 00:48 |
| trmanco | seems easy | Sep 19 00:48 |
| trmanco | so many modules, insane, in a good way :D | Sep 19 00:53 |
| schestowitz | You study it? | Sep 19 00:55 |
| trmanco | >>> webbrowser.open('http://google.com') | Sep 19 00:57 |
| trmanco | True | Sep 19 00:57 |
| trmanco | >>> | Sep 19 00:57 |
| trmanco | hehe | Sep 19 00:57 |
| trmanco | it worked | Sep 19 00:57 |
| trmanco | I just got interested about python right now | Sep 19 00:57 |
| trmanco | even though I think it sucks for OS programming | Sep 19 00:58 |
| trmanco | good for little command line stuff | Sep 19 01:02 |
| trmanco | I like better than bash scripting | Sep 19 01:02 |
| trmanco | and perl | Sep 19 01:02 |
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| MinceR | http://hijinksensue.com/comics/2009-09-18-cause-im-leaving-on-a-red-train.jpg | Sep 19 16:00 |
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| fewa | Sensibility from my Senator http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7R3RYjkhZ8 | Sep 19 16:46 |
| fewa | we need something more like other countries like UK and NIH, wages based on health of patients | Sep 19 16:46 |
| fewa | *bonuses | Sep 19 16:47 |
| schestowitz | "my Senator" sounds like my.obama.org thing | Sep 19 16:47 |
| schestowitz | The whole "Obama is us" PR campaign | Sep 19 16:47 |
| fewa | a senator from my state? | Sep 19 16:47 |
| fewa | senator is a president | Sep 19 16:47 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 19 16:47 |
| fewa | and was a senator | Sep 19 16:47 |
| fewa | *obama is a president | Sep 19 16:47 |
| schestowitz | whose? | Sep 19 16:47 |
| schestowitz | "My"? | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "Theirs"? | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | The country's? | Sep 19 16:48 |
| fewa | well ok | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | The people's? | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | The rich people? | Sep 19 16:48 |
| fewa | but "My congressman" is a common adage | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Sep 19 16:48 |
| fewa | my representative | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm pulling your leg | Sep 19 16:48 |
| fewa | as they are suppose to represent _me_ | Sep 19 16:48 |
| fewa | :P | Sep 19 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "My" football team | Sep 19 16:49 |
| fewa | if I use "my" that mean I accept them in that capacity | Sep 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | "My" idea... | Sep 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | "My" implies ownership usually | Sep 19 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Not just assignment | Sep 19 16:50 |
| fewa | well the constituents shoud own their congressmen | Sep 19 16:50 |
| fewa | not the corporations | Sep 19 16:50 |
| schestowitz | WHo advertises them? | Sep 19 16:50 |
| fewa | I didn't say they did | Sep 19 16:50 |
| fewa | but they should | Sep 19 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Rememeber this thing called bing? | Sep 19 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it | Sep 19 16:51 |
| schestowitz | It's passe | Sep 19 16:51 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 19 16:51 |
| schestowitz | THey fail to make buzz | Sep 19 16:51 |
| schestowitz | $100ml down the Zune Toilet | Sep 19 16:51 |
| fewa | :P | Sep 19 16:51 |
| fewa | please kick Daemon | Sep 19 17:19 |
| fewa | please please kick Daemon | Sep 19 17:20 |
| fewa | KICK | Sep 19 17:28 |
| fewa | argggggggg | Sep 19 17:28 |
| trmanco | http://www.tuxradar.com/content/hudzilla-coding-academy-project-eight | Sep 19 21:45 |
| trmanco | meh | Sep 19 21:45 |
| trmanco | this could of been done in python... | Sep 19 21:45 |
| trmanco | :-p | Sep 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Mo........ NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOO!!!!!!1 | Sep 19 21:46 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 19 21:46 |
| trmanco | reddit wen piratew | Sep 19 21:46 |
| trmanco | har, har, me lady | Sep 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Alas. | Sep 19 21:47 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't notice, i've set it to the pirate language already. :) | Sep 19 21:48 |
| trmanco | LOL | Sep 19 21:48 |
| trmanco | cool | Sep 19 21:49 |
| trmanco | I didn't know they had that | Sep 19 21:50 |
| trmanco | I changed it to leet | Sep 19 21:50 |
| trmanco | or, l33t | Sep 19 21:50 |
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| fewa | zlg shows his true colours http://pastebin.com/f6b67111b | Sep 20 14:25 |
| fewa | ie _Mutex_ | Sep 20 14:25 |
| fewa | esp at bottom | Sep 20 14:27 |
| fewa | starting at <zlg> you buy a car, yo uknow you are not allowed to speed, or drive on the wrong side of the road. | Sep 20 14:29 |
| fewa | please kick Daemon | Sep 20 16:08 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> the muslims | Sep 20 16:08 |
| fewa | <DaemonFC> they can't be trusted | Sep 20 16:08 |
| fewa | Its just such bigotry | Sep 20 16:08 |
| fewa | and this time Daemon brought up the topic | Sep 20 16:08 |
| fewa | I want a permaban | Sep 20 16:17 |
| fewa | this sort of bigotry turns off perspective contributers, people who are interested in boycottnovell's opinion | Sep 20 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | [21:29] <DaemonFC> I've already said what I'm going to say about Democracy No | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <schestowitz> Keep off that topic | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <DaemonFC> bunch of clowns | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:30] <schestowitz> You upset people | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:30] <DaemonFC> let anyone who hates us enough while still keeping US citizenship write pieces blasting their own country | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:30] <DaemonFC> they have the first amendment though | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:30] <schestowitz> [21:30] *** You remove the ban on DaemonFC!*@*. | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:31] <DaemonFC> lots of douchebags hide under the first amendment | Sep 20 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:31] <schestowitz> Be exceedingly polite. You drive away people. | Sep 20 21:32 |
| trmanco | kde is going to get some coverage done by linux journal | Sep 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Sep 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | kde 2? | Sep 20 21:53 |
| trmanco | kde in general | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | "I've encountered the following problem with the KDE bugs tracking site | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | (http://bugs.kde.org): | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | Instead of displaying the bugs page, there appears (after half a minute or | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | so) only a single line of text, saying "OK mod_cgi", and that's all. This | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | issue appears only with Internet Explorer (I'm using version 8 on Windows | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | Vista), Firefox for example displays the bugs page properly. Is that only | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | because my Internet Explorer isn't properly configured, or is this rather an | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | error with your bugs page? " | Sep 20 21:54 |
| trmanco | LOL | Sep 20 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh dear. | Sep 20 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-gtk2-and-metacity-themes.html | Sep 20 21:56 |
| trmanco | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270719 | Sep 20 22:59 |
| trmanco | what an idiot | Sep 20 22:59 |
| trmanco | doesn't even know how to remember a f*cking password | Sep 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Charlie Brown... | Sep 20 23:02 |
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| trmanco | trying to learn some socket programming in php :| | Sep 21 00:02 |
| trmanco | trying to learn some socket programming in php :| | Sep 21 00:02 |
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| trmanco | :D | Sep 21 12:50 |
| trmanco | yay | Sep 21 12:50 |
| trmanco | finally | Sep 21 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Sep 21 12:51 |
| schestowitz | What does it do? | Sep 21 12:52 |
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| trmanco | nothing | Sep 21 12:53 |
| trmanco | just joins for now | Sep 21 12:53 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 21 12:53 |
| trmanco | give me a couple of hours | Sep 21 12:53 |
| trmanco | or maybe a day or two | Sep 21 12:53 |
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| trmanco | let see if it pongs | Sep 21 13:02 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 21 13:02 |
| trmanco | test | Sep 21 13:03 |
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| trmanco | haha | Sep 21 13:07 |
| trmanco | it pongs baby :D | Sep 21 13:07 |
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| trmanco | [13:09] [Whois] phIRCe is a user on channels: #boycottnovell-social | Sep 21 13:07 |
| trmanco | [13:09] [Whois] phIRCe is online via irc.freenode.net (http://freenode.net/). | Sep 21 13:07 |
| trmanco | [13:09] [Whois] phIRCe has been idle for 13 seconds. | Sep 21 13:07 |
| trmanco | [13:09] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. | Sep 21 13:07 |
| trmanco | :D | Sep 21 13:07 |
| trmanco | ok next step | Sep 21 13:07 |
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| *trmanco look at rfc | Sep 21 13:09 | |
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| trmanco | :| | Sep 21 13:21 |
| trmanco | it's not ponging :| | Sep 21 13:21 |
| trmanco | again | Sep 21 13:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://evoting.cs.nuim.ie/vvat.shtml | Sep 21 14:30 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/4099239097 "I see the twitterbots have moved from names that are random letters to random combinations of words...progress of sorts, I suppose" | Sep 21 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Twitter seems to have cleaned up a bit, though | Sep 21 14:33 |
| trmanco | tough work this bot thing | Sep 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opencontentalliance.org/2009/09/20/at-end-of-act-ii-are-we-played-for-fools-or-building-a-enlightened-digital-world/ | Sep 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: impossible to police. Digg had those two | Sep 21 14:38 |
| schestowitz | All my girl 'friends' seem to be some bots | Sep 21 14:38 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 21 14:38 |
| trmanco | all? | Sep 21 14:39 |
| schestowitz | http://foller.me/schestowitz | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Try it out | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not all | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | cday and wallclimber and wispy I know | Sep 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | http://foller.me/trmanco | Sep 21 14:44 |
| trmanco | cool | Sep 21 14:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3 is annoying. Never gets that leads of Linux kernel have turned stuff down for good reasons. You cannot always have people say yes sometimes you have to listen to no. | Sep 21 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Heh. http://home.flash.net/~evt/rapture.htm | Sep 21 14:46 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: he's a troll | Sep 21 14:46 |
| schestowitz | He also is the person who was jubilant when we got DDOSed | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't communicate with him much | Sep 21 14:47 |
| schestowitz | There's a European Commission mail in my box :-) | Sep 21 14:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes I do think CK and him will be shocked when cgroup gets mult schedulers. | Sep 21 14:51 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft has been payin graffiti artists to spray-paint advertising for Windows 7" http://twitpic.com/h5cqo | Sep 21 14:54 |
| schestowitz | They have no shame, those rascals | Sep 21 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | The Mystery of Rashid Rauf < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/09/the_mystery_of.html > | Sep 21 16:11 |
| *schestowitz still watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TekU99bHGdk | Sep 21 18:55 | |
| trmanco | my bot should kick people now :D | Sep 21 19:08 |
| trmanco | has the ability to* | Sep 21 19:08 |
| schestowitz | If it has op | Sep 21 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Wanna make a smackbt for BN? | Sep 21 19:12 |
| schestowitz | On bad words? | Sep 21 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "as an exercise to the reader...:" :-) | Sep 21 19:12 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 21 19:12 |
| trmanco | I could :-P | Sep 21 19:12 |
| trmanco | give me an hour or so | Sep 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | FootballBot(1): a bot for kicking people | Sep 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | It would ease kicking people without prejudice | Sep 21 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Like Diablo when he says "fuck" and "fag" | Sep 21 19:13 |
| trmanco | ok | Sep 21 19:14 |
| trmanco | you can name it all you want | Sep 21 19:14 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | We could run it. kick != ban | Sep 21 19:14 |
| trmanco | anything I mean | Sep 21 19:14 |
| trmanco | ban is a little more tricky | Sep 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | ObscenityBot or ObscenityMonitor | Sep 21 19:15 |
| trmanco | <trmanco> !kick trmanco | Sep 21 19:15 |
| trmanco | [19:17] *** You have been kicked from channel #phirce by phIRCe (Request). | Sep 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | To keep the channel clean and smack for goods lang | Sep 21 19:15 |
| trmanco | need to add owners to the bot | Sep 21 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Cool. | Sep 21 19:16 |
| *trmanco is now known as phIRCe | Sep 21 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | It need to kick with informaitve message | Sep 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Like "kicked by Bot for bad language" | Sep 21 19:17 |
| phIRCe | sure | Sep 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Then run it in COLA | Sep 21 19:17 |
| schestowitz | We'd run out of trolls there fast | Sep 21 19:17 |
| phIRCe | hehe | Sep 21 19:17 |
| *phIRCe is now known as trmanco | Sep 21 19:18 | |
| fewa | COLA? | Sep 21 19:34 |
| trmanco | [19:57] <trmanco> !kick trmanco | Sep 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Miguel de Icaza “is Basically a Traitor to the Free Software Community,” Says Richard Stallman http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/21/rms-on-miguel-de-icaza/ | Sep 21 19:56 |
| trmanco | [19:57] [Notice] -phIRCe- You are not allowed to control me! | Sep 21 19:56 |
| trmanco | how dare it | Sep 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I realise that this could provoke provoke proponents of Mono, but the observation about Stallman's remarks probably ought to be made.. | Sep 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha! not allow to control me | Sep 21 19:56 |
| trmanco | [20:27] <trmanco> idiot | Sep 21 20:25 |
| trmanco | [20:27] *** You have been kicked from channel #phirce by phIRCe (Whatch you language!). | Sep 21 20:25 |
| trmanco | whohooo | Sep 21 20:26 |
| trmanco | I see a typo | Sep 21 20:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 21 20:29 |
| trmanco | I think it works | Sep 21 20:30 |
| trmanco | [20:32] <trmanco> fuck fdgdfgs idiot kfjghgflg fuck fuck fuck gfdgs fuck | Sep 21 20:30 |
| trmanco | [20:32] *** You have been kicked from channel #phirce by phIRCe (Whatch you language!). | Sep 21 20:31 |
| trmanco | meh | Sep 21 20:37 |
| trmanco | no OP willing to give an OP | Sep 21 20:37 |
| trmanco | http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/src/ | Sep 21 21:11 |
| trmanco | there | Sep 21 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Why do you not run it anymore? | Sep 21 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Choose a nick like PolitenessBot | Sep 21 21:24 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: I usually shut down my computer | Sep 21 21:24 |
| trmanco | that's why | Sep 21 21:24 |
| schestowitz | OK, but it's useful to have the bot around | Sep 21 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Funny too | Sep 21 21:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR LOVES it :-p | Sep 21 21:27 |
| MinceR | i think you've misunderstood me | Sep 21 21:27 |
| MinceR | btw, by evading i didn't mean "s**t", i meant stuff like "sh|t" | Sep 21 21:28 |
| MinceR | or even clever use of unicode | Sep 21 21:28 |
| MinceR | and 1337 | Sep 21 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Good point, but still.... | Sep 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I want to try it | Sep 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | also, kicking without banning is useless | Sep 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Also, trmanco ought to run to put his code to use | Sep 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Sep 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | and kickbanning on the first occurrence of swearing is bad | Sep 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Peple suffer from a kick | Sep 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | also, "idiot" is not a swear word | Sep 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Like a slap on the wrist | Sep 21 21:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it was a test run | Sep 21 21:30 |
| MinceR | yes, i suffer when i see that someone doesn't understand irc :> | Sep 21 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Sep 21 21:30 |
| MinceR | (i've seen much worse though) | Sep 21 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I took your advice not to do auto-logon | Sep 21 21:30 |
| MinceR | thankfully on the network where there's that particularly abusive halfop (who kicks just for fun all the time) i have umode +q so he can't kick me from anywhere :> | Sep 21 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Remember like 130 people in the #bn channel? | Sep 21 21:31 |
| MinceR | i don't remember the auto-logon issue | Sep 21 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Several months ago I started requiring registration to comment in the site (not censorship) and it eliminated trolling almost 100%. PJ still censors. | Sep 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | IRC would be better without vile content | Sep 21 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Like the hateful things from ryan farmer | Sep 21 21:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 21 21:39 |
| MinceR | permbans would help that | Sep 21 21:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't have the guts | Sep 21 21:39 |
| MinceR | bots that kick on a whim wouldn't | Sep 21 21:39 |
| MinceR | well, all you need to do is let someone else set the ban... and then 'forget' to remove it. | Sep 21 21:40 |
| trmanco | the bot can set bans | Sep 21 21:40 |
| MinceR | the bot can't detect trolling | Sep 21 21:40 |
| trmanco | but I'll do that another day | Sep 21 21:40 |
| trmanco | well | Sep 21 21:40 |
| MinceR | nor can it detect threadcrapping | Sep 21 21:40 |
| MinceR | it can't even understand human language | Sep 21 21:41 |
| trmanco | but it does obey it's masters | Sep 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | the ircd obeys those people just as well | Sep 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | btw, i wonder if an AKICK set in ChanServ will tell who set it | Sep 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | those not on the access list can't even list akicks :) | Sep 21 21:41 |
| MinceR | well, those who don't have flags | Sep 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | But we can have INNOVA~1 | Sep 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | trmanco's homebred code | Sep 21 21:42 |
| trmanco | LOL | Sep 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Freelancers gunslinging to defend from dem trollz | Sep 21 21:43 |
| MinceR | then again, someone could just set the ban through the bot and blame it | Sep 21 21:45 |
| MinceR | the bot doesn't even have to do anything else, ever :> | Sep 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | well, in that case | Sep 21 21:45 |
| trmanco | a person can change the their own name, get op and do it | Sep 21 21:45 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 21 21:45 |
| MinceR | but anyway, i don't see why is it so important to keep one's actions covered so much | Sep 21 21:46 |
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| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Microsoft-offers-1-Click-Workaround-for-SMB2-hole--/news/114279 | Sep 21 23:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I wrote about it | Sep 21 23:14 |
| schestowitz | POSIX v. reality: A position on O_PONIES < http://lwn.net/Articles/351422/ > omg ponies! | Sep 22 01:21 |
| schestowitz | gn | Sep 22 01:21 |
| fewa | do we have a tally of all the non-reverse lookupable Telstra IP's _Mutex_ has come from? | Sep 22 03:04 |
| fewa | we need to map him netmask | Sep 22 03:04 |
| fewa | current is 121.218.46.253 aka ;253.46.218.121.in-addr.arpa. | Sep 22 03:04 |
| oiaohm | He is dynamic fewa | Sep 22 03:12 |
| fewa | but this ip is not reverse dnsable | Sep 22 03:12 |
| fewa | those are usually statics | Sep 22 03:12 |
| fewa | whipe the ones that reverse to bigpond | Sep 22 03:12 |
| fewa | are surely dynamic | Sep 22 03:13 |
| oiaohm | It is telstra | Sep 22 03:14 |
| fewa | bigpond=telstra | Sep 22 03:14 |
| fewa | i know | Sep 22 03:14 |
| fewa | but its what the reverse says | Sep 22 03:14 |
| oiaohm | There ip management system is crap. | Sep 22 03:14 |
| oiaohm | The forget to set up reverse on ips that are dynamic for ages. | Sep 22 03:15 |
| fewa | hmmm | Sep 22 03:16 |
| fewa | "never attribute to malice, what can be adequately attributed to incompetence." | Sep 22 03:16 |
| fewa | or however it is said | Sep 22 03:17 |
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| MinceR | http://computerpowertest.com/ | Sep 22 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | nNNNNNNNNNNICE. | Sep 22 10:56 |
| schestowitz | How does it do that? | Sep 22 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Must be spyware.... | Sep 22 10:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 11:49 |
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| schestowitz | re: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/21/microsoft-olpc-strategy/ | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | >> QUOTE | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Jesus-tapdancing-Christ-on-roller-skates: “open source hardware” ??? | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | The audacity of the mentality out of Redmond. It's almost rendered me | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | speechless. It goes something like this: How dare other people produce | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | hardware without paying the Microsoft tax. Quick, redefine the OLPC as | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | “open source hardware” and offer to 'license' the software - haaaa - | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | must do evil .. | Sep 22 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Roy: this reminds me of fuddie: the total wilful distortion of the | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | vernacular in the service of shifting their (shoddy) product. There is | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | nothing they will not say, nothing they will not do, in the service of | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | billg. | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | ------- | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | << QUOTE | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | >> QUOTE | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Remember that quote from LOTR: " | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | ‘Suddenly another voice spoke, low and melodious, its very sound an | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | enchantment. Those who listened unwarily to that voice could seldom | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | report the words that hey heard; and if they did, they wondered, for | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | little power remained in them. Mostly they remembered only that it was | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and | Sep 22 15:25 |
| schestowitz | reasonable, and desire awoke in them by swift agreement to seem wise | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | themselves" | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | This one is a hoot, it must be some kind of a prophecy: | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | "Such was still the power of the voice of Saruman that even the Lord | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | of the Nazgul did not question what it said, whether it was false or | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | short of the full truth…" | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Now if Nazguls represent IBM then Saruman must be billg. And he indeed | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | put a spell on them using magic words and they indeed did hand over | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | the OS, sorry, I mean the ring .. :) | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | << QUOTE | Sep 22 15:26 |
| schestowitz | U.S. charges Obama fund-raiser in $290 million fraud < http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58K5A420090921 > | Sep 22 16:25 |
| trmanco | my bot can now ban | Sep 22 16:34 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 22 16:34 |
| fewa | trmanco, don't let your bot turn into the nuclear comp | Sep 22 16:43 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 22 16:43 |
| fewa | forget what the movie was called, hav't seen it | Sep 22 16:44 |
| fewa | but a US and Soviet pair of comps get control of the nukes | Sep 22 16:44 |
| fewa | and start killing people | Sep 22 16:45 |
| trmanco | my bot won't kill | Sep 22 16:45 |
| fewa | Lessig talks about it | Sep 22 16:45 |
| trmanco | it can barely think by himself | Sep 22 16:45 |
| fewa | i know :P | Sep 22 16:45 |
| fewa | There was also a really good japaneese short film about something similar | Sep 22 16:45 |
| fewa | that shows on the AZN cable channel | Sep 22 16:45 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: bring it to the main channel | Sep 22 16:48 |
| trmanco | give me a moment | Sep 22 16:48 |
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| *trmanco is now known as trmanco_ | Sep 22 20:00 | |
| *trmanco_ is now known as trmanco | Sep 22 20:00 | |
| trmanco | :trmanco!n=trmanco@drwxr-xr-x.org PRIVMSG phIRCe :!test | Sep 22 20:03 |
| trmanco | PHP Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /home/trmanco/public_html/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 142 | Sep 22 20:03 |
| trmanco | Notice: Undefined offset: 1 in /home/trmanco/public_html/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 142 | Sep 22 20:03 |
| trmanco | still has some bugs | Sep 22 20:03 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 22 20:04 |
| trmanco | I didn't implement query messages yet | Sep 22 20:04 |
| trmanco | :| | Sep 22 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Did you reuse anything? | Sep 22 20:09 |
| trmanco | no | Sep 22 20:10 |
| trmanco | it's just a string that doesn't match in that given line | Sep 22 20:10 |
| trmanco | because it's a query string and not a normal in channel message string | Sep 22 20:10 |
| trmanco | if I implement query command, then the bot can do whatever you want without displaying who really did it | Sep 22 20:11 |
| trmanco | but it's tricky | Sep 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/tr-out-loud/?p=1173 | Sep 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | I don't agree with it | Sep 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | So accusing Microsoft of FUD where it FUD is not acceptable? Microsoft calls what it's doing "FUD". | Sep 22 20:12 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 22 20:14 |
| trmanco | there are some point that I don't agree with either | Sep 22 20:14 |
| trmanco | but it's and interesting read | Sep 22 20:14 |
| trmanco | an* | Sep 22 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I looked only at the outline | Sep 22 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Using words like "Fanboi" is silly indeed | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | One just need to use better words | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Like "proponents" | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Or "PR people" | Sep 22 20:17 |
| MinceR | those all have different connotations | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | BN keeps it relatively polite and does link to evidence | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | If it doesn't link to evidence, it can still fetch it on request | Sep 22 20:17 |
| MinceR | then "fanboi" is not the word you want to use, i guess :> | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: indeed | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Fanbi got associated with Macs | Sep 22 20:17 |
| MinceR | there's still "fanboy" | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo Foley used this word in an E-mail to me where she whined about Mac "fanbois" | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | The Microsofters love to pretend only kids use Macs | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | "And us adults are like the Big Big Mister Gates" | Sep 22 20:18 |
| MinceR | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/windows_snacks.jpg | Sep 22 20:29 |
| MinceR | well, only kids use macs, that's true | Sep 22 20:29 |
| MinceR | but using winblows doesn't make them adults either | Sep 22 20:29 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 22 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes, MinceR, but _Grow up_ kids | Sep 22 20:31 |
| trmanco | wtf | Sep 22 20:31 |
| schestowitz | *grown | Sep 22 20:31 |
| MinceR | more like large kids | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | typical snacks | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Vista had those too at the time \(2006 and 2007) | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | In India they had VIsta coffee | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Utterly disgustingf | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if V7 can top Vista hype | Sep 22 20:32 |
| MinceR | what makes companies use these brands? | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | We have 4-5 weeks to gho | Sep 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Money | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Bribes | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Adverts | Sep 22 20:33 |
| MinceR | are they paid by m$ or do they think that it's cool? | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe both | Sep 22 20:33 |
| MinceR | the branding isn't even accurate in this case | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | The ones I saw before had Arabic on them | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | So it looks familar | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I made some posts about it at the time | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | There were drink cans too | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | They have some at MSFT at the moment | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | For employees only though | Sep 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Supposedly for morale and motivation | Sep 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Stupid drek | Sep 22 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer must be putting a couple in his arm pits to obstruct the pores | Sep 22 20:34 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 20:35 |
| MinceR | does he have Unplug The Pores as a special attack? | Sep 22 20:35 |
| schestowitz | unmount /pores && sudo !! | Sep 22 20:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 20:36 |
| schestowitz | He charmed Bartzmer this way | Sep 22 20:37 |
| schestowitz | She likes sweaty hogs | Sep 22 20:37 |
| schestowitz | That's why she was appointed CEO | Sep 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Ya-Poo! | Sep 22 20:38 |
| MinceR | ew | Sep 22 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Sep 22 20:41 |
| trmanco | http://blog.chromium.org/2009/09/introducing-google-chrome-frame.html | Sep 22 20:45 |
| trmanco | microsoft doesn't want w3c standards | Sep 22 20:45 |
| trmanco | but Google forces them to :-P | Sep 22 20:45 |
| trmanco | "Today, we're releasing an early version of Google Chrome Frame, an open source plug-in that brings HTML5 and other open web technologies to Internet Explorer." | Sep 22 20:46 |
| trmanco | just add some chrome to IE, it will then tend to shine | Sep 22 20:46 |
| trmanco | haha | Sep 22 20:46 |
| trmanco | When Google Chrome Frame detects this tag it switches automatically to using Google Chrome's speedy WebKit-based rendering engine. " | Sep 22 20:46 |
| trmanco | IE on webkit | Sep 22 20:46 |
| trmanco | haha | Sep 22 20:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 20:47 |
| trmanco | FC got kicked | Sep 22 20:56 |
| MinceR | effect: more lines written to the channel, with more swearing | Sep 22 20:56 |
| MinceR | wow, it's working so well :> | Sep 22 20:56 |
| trmanco | I don't see that happening | Sep 22 20:59 |
| trmanco | the more swearing part | Sep 22 20:59 |
| MinceR | 215423 -!- DaemonFC was kicked from #boycottnovell by phIRCe [Watch you language!] | Sep 22 20:59 |
| MinceR | 215430 -!- DaemonFC [i=Ryan@69.245.224.210] has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 22 20:59 |
| MinceR | 215437 < DaemonFC> censorbot | Sep 22 20:59 |
| MinceR | 215447 < DaemonFC> f*ck you too | Sep 22 20:59 |
| trmanco | but hen he stoped | Sep 22 21:02 |
| trmanco | stopped* | Sep 22 21:02 |
| trmanco | I can block that too | Sep 22 21:02 |
| trmanco | f***,***k,f**k,etc :-P | Sep 22 21:03 |
| MinceR | you can't block everything | Sep 22 21:03 |
| MinceR | trust me, there are very many ways to mask swearing :> | Sep 22 21:04 |
| trmanco | I can block 70% of them | Sep 22 21:04 |
| trmanco | yeah | Sep 22 21:04 |
| MinceR | the more you block the more legitimate discussion you also block | Sep 22 21:04 |
| trmanco | the other way is to kick ban | Sep 22 21:04 |
| trmanco | I'm sure you would agree with me on this one :-P | Sep 22 21:05 |
| MinceR | well, you could set +mi and then you wouldn't have to look at the channel :> | Sep 22 21:05 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 22 21:05 |
| trmanco | bot can set modes too :-P | Sep 22 21:06 |
| trmanco | haha | Sep 22 21:06 |
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| MinceR | or you could do what ops are normally supposed to do instead of making a bot do a really bad job :> | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | That was funny seeing his slapped for using bad language | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I like it | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | It's like people with electrodes on them.. like in in the Simpsons | Sep 22 21:09 |
| MinceR | that language isn't bad | Sep 22 21:09 |
| MinceR | it gets a point across unambiguously | Sep 22 21:09 |
| MinceR | forbidding words just so that we force people to find new words (as it has always been with "swear" words) is pointless | Sep 22 21:10 |
| schestowitz | That would enrich their vocab | Sep 22 21:11 |
| MinceR | only if you don't forget old swear words | Sep 22 21:11 |
| MinceR | but people do | Sep 22 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it slapped the right person | Sep 22 21:13 |
| schestowitz | It would be troublesome if it hit the innocent | Sep 22 21:13 |
| trmanco | btw | Sep 22 21:14 |
| trmanco | that ie chrome plugin uses chrome's user agent | Sep 22 21:14 |
| trmanco | I can see where this is going | Sep 22 21:14 |
| trmanco | IE users will realize that using that chrome plugin will speed the web browsing up, so people would use it instead and then Chrome earns some precious market share | Sep 22 21:15 |
| schestowitz | EEE | Sep 22 21:15 |
| trmanco | but it's actually a good EEE | Sep 22 21:16 |
| trmanco | it embraces web standards | Sep 22 21:17 |
| trmanco | and extinguishes microsofts standards | Sep 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has no standards | Sep 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | And you can read that in two ways | Sep 22 21:18 |
| trmanco | what is the other way? | Sep 22 21:18 |
| trmanco | embrace, extend and enjoy? :-P | Sep 22 21:18 |
| MinceR | it will hit me unless i'm very careful. | Sep 22 21:20 |
| trmanco | http://mashable.com/2009/09/22/google-chrome-frame/ | Sep 22 21:20 |
| trmanco | mashable covered this | Sep 22 21:20 |
| trmanco | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/09/22/662000-txts-sent-in-1-month-and-man-receives-12k-page-bill | Sep 22 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Shorter than OOXML? Nope | Sep 22 21:28 |
| trmanco | I still didn't figure it out :| | Sep 22 22:49 |
| MinceR | i prefer to have it this way instead of having to install the autorejoin script. :> | Sep 22 22:50 |
| trmanco | just tell me | Sep 22 22:51 |
| trmanco | I promise not to fix it :-P | Sep 22 22:51 |
| trmanco | I just got curious | Sep 22 22:51 |
| MinceR | i used alternative unicode characters that looked similar | Sep 22 22:53 |
| MinceR | cyrillic "c", "o" | Sep 22 22:53 |
| trmanco | I knew it was something with that | Sep 22 22:53 |
| trmanco | I even pasted it in a text editor but it all appeared the same | Sep 22 22:53 |
| trmanco | thanks for sharing :) | Sep 22 22:54 |
| MinceR | yw | Sep 22 22:54 |
| trmanco | now I can go sleep peacefully | Sep 22 22:55 |
| trmanco | :) | Sep 22 22:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: most people won't realise it | Sep 22 23:03 |
| schestowitz | If they do, that's OK | Sep 22 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | I guess they'll have to remove the black dude for the Polish version ... | Sep 23 12:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ | Sep 23 12:08 |
| schestowitz | ^^QUOTE | Sep 23 12:08 |
| schestowitz | From mail "Microsoft innovates the Ubuntu install fest" | Sep 23 12:08 |
| oiaohm | Ok why a few days before the party. | Sep 23 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu demos parties I normally install the OS at the party. | Sep 23 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Note the 30 min hanging around chatting is more than enough time to install ubuntu. | Sep 23 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Imagine the party when people shout, "dammit! My games from XP no longer work in V7" | Sep 23 12:22 |
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| trmanco | I can now control the bot by querying it :D | Sep 23 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Run it in the channel | Sep 23 14:02 |
| schestowitz | mincer ain't lookin' | Sep 23 14:02 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 23 14:02 |
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| roy_ | He loves control | Sep 23 14:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INo7W2P-Jk&NR=1 | Sep 23 17:41 |
| trmanco | [17:44] <phIRCe> [Title] YouTube - Christopher Hitchens embarrasses Hannity in god deba: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INo7W2P-Jk&NR=1 | Sep 23 17:42 |
| trmanco | look ma, it fetches page titles | Sep 23 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Sep 23 17:43 |
| trmanco | it took me 2 hours to get a regexp to work correctly | Sep 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUdz95Z8aPg&feature=related | Sep 23 17:53 |
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| trmanco | [20:00] <trmanco> http://bit.ly/UjFbn | Sep 23 19:59 |
| trmanco | [20:00] <phIRCe> [Title] Likewise: Microsoft Embraces and Extends Samba with Software Patents? | Boycott Nov: http://bit.ly/UjFbn | Sep 23 19:59 |
| trmanco | I just love my bot :-P | Sep 23 19:59 |
| trmanco | it's striping the end "l" for some reason | Sep 23 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Could it just watch all URLs and echo the title? | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | That would be very valuable | Sep 23 20:10 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 23 20:10 |
| *MinceR gets an evil idea | Sep 23 20:11 | |
| trmanco | what | Sep 23 20:11 |
| trmanco | try to get the bot rm -fr / without root privs? | Sep 23 20:11 |
| trmanco | :-P | Sep 23 20:11 |
| MinceR | making the bot swear like a sailor | Sep 23 20:12 |
| MinceR | with temporary pages | Sep 23 20:12 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 23 20:12 |
| MinceR | (or looking for vulnerabilities :> ) | Sep 23 20:12 |
| trmanco | he will kick himself | Sep 23 20:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 23 20:12 |
| trmanco | and auto join until he is dead :-P | Sep 23 20:12 |
| trmanco | instead of the url | Sep 23 20:13 |
| trmanco | I'll display title and page size | Sep 23 20:13 |
| trmanco | or at least try to | Sep 23 20:13 |
| trmanco | heh | Sep 23 21:49 |
| trmanco | done | Sep 23 21:49 |
| trmanco | [23:00] <trmanco> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0468569/quotes | Sep 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | [23:01] <phIRCe> [Title] The Dark Knight (2008) - Memorable quotes .::. Estimated Size: 105.36 KB | Sep 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | [23:01] <trmanco> http://google.com | Sep 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | [23:01] <phIRCe> [Title] Google .::. Estimated Size: 6.92 KB | Sep 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | it's working in the other channel | Sep 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not the same version? | Sep 23 22:59 |
| trmanco | it is | Sep 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | It's a brilliant script to have | Sep 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Very handy | Sep 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | We'd only have to paste URL | Sep 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes want to tell people not just to drop URLs but to also say what they link to | Sep 23 23:00 |
| trmanco | it works | Sep 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Does that also apply to BNc stuff, as in bit.ly links? | Sep 23 23:01 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 23 23:01 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: is there a way you can get BNc to reply in privmsg instead of a notice? | Sep 23 23:08 |
| trmanco | that will be the only way the bot will pick up the links | Sep 23 23:08 |
| trmanco | btw | Sep 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | a privmsg can be a message sent to a channel or a query | Sep 23 23:13 |
| trmanco | it's not really "private" in some cases | Sep 23 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I'd have to modify Perl for it (shudder) | Sep 23 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Let me look.. | Sep 23 23:14 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 24 08:28 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 24 08:28 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Sep 24 08:28 | |
| MinceR | http://apina.biz/20794.jpg | Sep 24 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Wrong version | Sep 24 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: you should run the URL/profanity bot. Back at 5 | Sep 24 14:44 |
| trmanco | put the notices back on bnc | Sep 24 14:44 |
| *MinceR disagrees | Sep 24 14:44 | |
| MinceR | with running the profanity bot, that is. | Sep 24 14:45 |
| trmanco | I found a way to get around the privmsg limitation | Sep 24 14:45 |
| trmanco | MinceR: I'll remove the filters later | Sep 24 14:45 |
| trmanco | bbl too | Sep 24 14:45 |
| MinceR | well, answering notices is a Bad Thing according to the RFC, but it's probably the lesser evil. | Sep 24 14:45 |
| trmanco | I'm not ansering them | Sep 24 14:46 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 24 14:46 |
| trmanco | answering* | Sep 24 14:46 |
| trmanco | just reading them :-P | Sep 24 14:46 |
| MinceR | why are you reading them? | Sep 24 14:46 |
| trmanco | bnc usually sends messages with notices | Sep 24 14:47 |
| trmanco | and they have urls in them | Sep 24 14:47 |
| trmanco | I read earlier that you liked it better when bnc was sending notices then privmgs | Sep 24 14:47 |
| trmanco | so I adapted my bot to read it's notices | Sep 24 14:48 |
| trmanco | and now schestowitz can make the bot tweet notices again like before | Sep 24 14:48 |
| trmanco | bbl | Sep 24 14:48 |
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| MinceR | :) | Sep 24 15:02 |
| MinceR | that's what i was talking about | Sep 24 15:03 |
| MinceR | also, it would probably be better if your bot sent titles in notices, too | Sep 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Interesting this chap's sermon.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Q8UvJ1wvk&NR=1 | Sep 25 00:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kMxgOJK3-0&feature=channel | Sep 25 01:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw&feature=PlayList&p=CDFEA6D52E5CC0EC&index=1 | Sep 25 01:15 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Sep 28 07:32 | |
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| schestowitz | US braced for surge of protest over war in Afghanistan < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/us-braced-afghanistan-protest-surge > | Sep 28 15:05 |
| MinceR | http://technologizer.com/2009/06/14/fifteen-classic-pc-design-mistakes/ | Sep 28 18:11 |
| MinceR | crApple makes no less than 3 appearances here | Sep 28 18:13 |
| schestowitz | technologizer.com = mcracken | Sep 28 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft buddy | Sep 28 18:15 |
| trmanco | http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2009/09/mono-not-chasing-tail-lights.html | Sep 28 20:37 |
| trmanco | LOL | Sep 28 20:37 |
| trmanco | see comments | Sep 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I know, I saw it | Sep 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | BTW, he's a NOVL employee | Sep 28 20:43 |
| trmanco | [Full-disclosure] For sale - Microsoft Internet Explorer 0day | Sep 28 22:13 |
| trmanco | lol | Sep 28 22:13 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 28 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone still use Microsoft Internet Explorer? | Sep 28 22:23 |
| schestowitz | It's like finding a flaw in Netscape 4 | Sep 28 22:23 |
| schestowitz | They should be sent to detention in Guantanama | Sep 28 22:24 |
| trmanco | http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=E1WeAg4AAAAnK_lva27k3Sz0XRRwQoau | Sep 28 22:38 |
| trmanco | holy crap | Sep 28 22:38 |
| trmanco | 137 ratings | Sep 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | By trolls? | Sep 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Mine was spammed by trolls | Sep 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Thousands of time | Sep 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | *times | Sep 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | In days | Sep 28 22:42 |
| trmanco | I dunno | Sep 28 22:46 |
| trmanco | if it were all by trolls I would have been with 1 | Sep 28 22:46 |
| trmanco | I bet they have an army stalking me | Sep 28 22:46 |
| trmanco | it's time to create one of my own ;) | Sep 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | They 'DDOS' people with complaints, bad comments, etc. | Sep 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | BN site and IRC is rather safe from them | Sep 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Digg was too open for them to abuse me, which they did (same trolls from COLA) | Sep 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Some nasty comment that I found has vanished | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Melissa Appleton said... | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | but - Stormy - you never address anything but trivial matters on this blog, you are an intellectual lightweight and a corporate clone. | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Gnome has gone corporate, it's just another place for MS to embrace and extend. | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | "buy em out boys" - Bill Gates on the Simpsons | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | You don't understand free software, and that's why you have the job you have. | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | You lack the moral comprehension that RMS keeps from being entirely extinguished by sterile corporate monoculture, which has not one clue or motivation to get a clue that moves beyond PROFIT at any cost. | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Gnome is dead, let us hope KDE doesn't fall as well to the immoral, soul-less and short sighted agenda of MS and the other corporations that are sucking the last drops of blood from the neck of Free Software. | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | not open source, FREE SOFTWARE. | Sep 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | you are no hacker, Stormy. You are a junior high school vice principal. | Sep 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | You are bland, you obey and you are the enemy of relevance. | Sep 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | There are some trolls trying to stir things up | Sep 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | This this bad | Sep 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they actually believe it | Sep 28 23:05 |
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| trmanco | http://trmanco.com/2009/05/01/gnote-vs-tomboy-and-complete-mono-removal.trm#comment-9766 | Sep 29 14:53 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: how do you change the defauly gravatar icon? Rather, what do you link to? | Sep 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz | I ought to change the one in BN to fit the site's palette | Sep 29 16:03 |
| trmanco | it's somewhere in the options | Sep 29 16:03 |
| trmanco | comments section | Sep 29 16:03 |
| trmanco | but those one you see there are the themes default | Sep 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Sep 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | You use the built-in thing | Sep 29 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't use that | Sep 29 16:04 |
| trmanco | yes | Sep 29 16:05 |
| trmanco | but I'm sure you can always change the default icon | Sep 29 16:05 |
| schestowitz | I can | Sep 29 16:06 |
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| trmanco | "I asked the Immunity team to take a look into the new exploit to assess | Sep 30 00:29 |
| trmanco | whether Microsoft would patch the SMBv2 bug early, and our initial | Sep 30 00:29 |
| trmanco | assessment is "no, they will not."" | Sep 30 00:29 |
| schestowitz | "@mohanpram on main machine I moved to kubuntu 9.10 (alpha). Was on Mandriva...." | Sep 30 00:39 |
| schestowitz | @silver "I asked the Immunity team to take a look into the new exploit to assess whether Microsoft would patch the SMBv2 bug early, and our initial assessment is "no, they will not." | Sep 30 00:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evtdXHPZDfc&NR=1 | Sep 30 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | I'm having MATLAB headaches | Sep 30 09:27 |
| schestowitz | quote: | Sep 30 09:27 |
| schestowitz | I've contacted 2 people at the CS Dept. trying to get access to MATLAB, but still no luck. | Sep 30 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I have attempted to connect to the machines remotely, but the DNS entries appear to have changed and the only clusters reachable to me now are at the engineering labs. MATLAB does not appear to be installed on these. | Sep 30 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Well over a week ago I tried contacting Duty Office, which I believe still deals with technical issues. I have received no reply from them and Gough is still looking at it. | Sep 30 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I can send you images of good models that we built automatically if that would help. I just can't believe I'm having so much trouble and difficulties just running MALAB again. | Sep 30 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Stupid MATLAB.... | Sep 30 09:28 |
| schestowitz | If that was FOSS, I could just run it locally | Sep 30 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Non-free software = software 'on rent' | Sep 30 09:29 |
| *oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell-social | Sep 30 10:55 | |
| trmanco | hey | Sep 30 14:17 |
| trmanco | OOXML is a superb standard | Sep 30 14:17 |
| trmanco | "I do not blame them. OOXML is a superb standard and yet, it has been | Sep 30 14:17 |
| trmanco | FUDed so badly by its competitors that serious people believe that | Sep 30 14:17 |
| trmanco | there is something fundamentally wrong with it. This is at a time when | Sep 30 14:18 |
| trmanco | OOXML as a spec is in much better shape than any other spec on that | Sep 30 14:18 |
| trmanco | space. " ~ Icaza | Sep 30 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes, old news | Sep 30 14:33 |
| schestowitz | BN was among those spreading the word first at the time | Sep 30 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Someone dropped me a tip | Sep 30 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Then it made /. | Sep 30 14:33 |
| trmanco | heh :) | Sep 30 14:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdvlXk7Gzwo&feature=relatedKevin Powell went agnostic. | Sep 30 15:02 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Sep 30 16:08 | |
| MinceR | http://www.viruscomix.com/queueueue.jpg | Sep 30 20:27 |
| schestowitz | LOL "Researchers say they have created a special kind of paint which can block out wireless signals." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8279549.stm | Sep 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I know a paint called "encryption" | Sep 30 20:29 |
| MinceR | that doesn't block the signals | Sep 30 20:31 |
| schestowitz | We get many other signals | Sep 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Like noise from stars that exploded in the past | Sep 30 20:38 |
| MinceR | we get signal !! | Sep 30 20:38 |
| schestowitz | ze alienz!! | Sep 30 20:38 |
| MinceR | main screen turn on !! | Sep 30 20:38 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aybabtu | Sep 30 20:39 |
| MinceR | http://www.viruscomix.com/page433.html | Sep 30 22:01 |
| schestowitz | LOL Dick Dawkins | Sep 30 22:04 |
| MinceR | oh, i didn't recognize any of them | Sep 30 22:05 |
| MinceR | but now that you mention him, i do seem to recognize him, but not the others | Sep 30 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I recognise the others | Sep 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | The "Evil scientist" image... typical in the US | Sep 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Bad, bad science | Sep 30 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Study fashion and join the military | Sep 30 22:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.viruscomix.com/page436.html | Sep 30 22:10 |
| schestowitz | You're in a toon mood today? | Sep 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Anything abbrevaiated? | Sep 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/30/zimbra_six_dot_o/ | Sep 30 22:15 |
| MinceR | somebody pasted me that queueueue link | Sep 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | and i got stuck reading this comic | Sep 30 22:21 |
| MinceR | it's awesome | Sep 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | more labeling: http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=114411 | Sep 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | "Open Source Fanatics" | Sep 30 22:23 |
| MinceR | of course. | Sep 30 22:25 |
| MinceR | anyone who doesn't just go "go ahead, take our code and sell it, don't contribute anything back, ever" must be a fanatic. | Sep 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Those unamerican SOBs | Sep 30 22:26 |
| schestowitz | No kidding | Sep 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | That's what hollywood says | Sep 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | yeah | Sep 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | They damonise people who share | Sep 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Look it up | Sep 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Guilds of media companies, also SCO/MS | Sep 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | how dare they attack the American Dream of a few monopolists treading over everyone else, turning them into slaves? | Sep 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | and if someone says that wasn't the American Dream, they must be heretics. | Sep 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | How darrrrrrrrr......... MAKES ME SO MAD !!!!!!!! :-) :-) | Sep 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Sep 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Terrosists | Sep 30 22:28 |
| MinceR | that too | Sep 30 22:28 |
| MinceR | can't use the h-word anymore, it doesn't have the same weight it used to have | Sep 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | They need to be liberated or dmocracy.spread() | Sep 30 22:28 |
| MinceR | because those unamerican heathens are unbelievers | Sep 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I should say "hacker" more | Sep 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "Big Money" (from Slate/MSFT): http://www.thebigmoney.com/articles/money-trail/2009/09/28/office-rules | Sep 30 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Get your doze of propaganda | Sep 30 22:30 |
| MinceR | http://www.viruscomix.com/page440.html | Sep 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | yeah, i can't resist the urge to pay either | Sep 30 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Too much text | Sep 30 22:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe trmanco will read | Sep 30 22:36 |
| MinceR | too much text, without any reason to it | Sep 30 22:39 |
| MinceR | it's a feeble and long-winded attempt to make a failed point | Sep 30 22:39 |
| MinceR | i have a suggestion for Mark Gimein: go sell a rebranded OpenOffice.org for $1 less than m$ office and see how much people will rush to buy it. | Sep 30 22:41 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 30 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I'll mention this FUD/trite tomorrow | Sep 30 22:42 |
| schestowitz | [22:38] <anon> Hi roy | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:38] <anon> just been looking at that nasty new hate-site | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <schestowitz> I don't feed David Lefty | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <schestowitz> Attack sites. He did this for _DECADES_ | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <anon> no, best way | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <schestowitz> He almost kill someone | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <anon> nasty, and 100% personal | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <schestowitz> His antics on the Web are unknown to too many | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <schestowitz> Death threats and stuff | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <schestowitz> I don't pay any attention to him | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <schestowitz> He sends nasty E-mails | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <anon> rise above it is the way, let others knock this one down | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <schestowitz> It's best to not feed it | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:41] <schestowitz> That ought to suffice | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:41] <schestowitz> He's a megalomaniac, he craves attention | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:41] <anon> yup, various journalist types will do no doubt. Don't think many will be supportive | Sep 30 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:41] <-> yup, various journalist types will do no doubt. Don't think many will be supportive | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:43] <-> oh well, keep up the good work, and lets hope this doesn't lead to other people being stupid and nasty | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <-> I hope someone like Jono Bacon says something about it if a shitstorm does arrise | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <schestowitz> Jono invited me to his show | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <schestowitz> FLOSS Weekly with Leo | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:47] <schestowitz> I'm on in a few weeks | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:55] <-> cool, looking forward to it. | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:56] <schestowitz> http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:56] <schestowitz> They did Linus this week | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:57] <schestowitz> Groklaw is already being smeared BTW, for talking about Mono (the taboo) | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 30 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [23:01] <-> not a very friendly time at the moment is it. | Sep 30 23:54 |
| schestowitz | [23:01] <-> with that and all the men talking to other men about how some other man may have inadvertantly offended a woman | Sep 30 23:54 |
| schestowitz | [23:02] <schestowitz> Heh. | Sep 30 23:54 |
| schestowitz | [23:02] <schestowitz> Quote-minings | Sep 30 23:54 |
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