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schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/can-you-boycott-a-boycottOct 01 00:19
schestowitzWhy do they even feed this?Oct 01 00:19
trmancobunch of schools kidsOct 01 00:22
trmancohave you seen how some write?Oct 01 00:22
trmanco"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA"Oct 01 00:23
trmanco"ZOMGITSFROMTEHMICROSOFTZIES"Oct 01 00:23
trmancothis stuff remind me of cola trollsOct 01 00:23
trmancothey have their similarities... I guess the all work for the same peopleOct 01 00:23
schestowitzFull disclosure: I provide community consulting services for a number of clients, including at the moment Microsoft and Groundwork. You will see me comment on my work from time to time, and I will always disclose who's paying me.Oct 01 00:29
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/please-allow-me-to-introduce-myselfOct 01 00:29
schestowitzvery first item on the agenda is an attack on Boycott NovellOct 01 00:30
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/39986Oct 01 00:36
schestowitzWhy Mark Shuttleworth Owes FOSS-Women an Apology http://www.junauza.com/2009/09/why-mark-shuttleworth-owes-foss-women.htmlOct 01 00:47
schestowitzChanging The Conversation - "I am tired of seemingly only ever reading about the topic of women in Open Source within the context of a conflict scenario which typically spawns a spat over whether specific behaviour is deemed offensive or not. It feels like the topic has become very one-dimensional."Oct 01 00:48
schestowitzhttp://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/30/changing-the-conversation/Oct 01 00:49
schestowitzShuttleworth employee calls boss's remark sexist http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28081/1090/Oct 01 00:56
MinceRbtw vcent is from bigpond/telstraOct 01 07:18
schestowitzIt's Mutex. I knew from the start.Oct 01 09:04
schestowitz> Regarding the 'hater' label.  It's another form of ad hominem attack.Oct 01 09:24
schestowitz> Best leave that to a FAQ and stop writing about it.  M$ shills dust itOct 01 09:24
schestowitz> off any time they need a distraction from other activities, somethingOct 01 09:24
schestowitz> embarrassing or generally better off (for them) with out scrutiny.Oct 01 09:24
schestowitz>Oct 01 09:25
schestowitz> The label has been around for years, I remember it being used againstOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> all technical criticism even more than ten years ago.  In short, if youOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> have document the problems, they see that they are in the wrong and thenOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> start the name calling.  It's *very* hard not to get dragged in.  I'veOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> watched many otherwise clever people fall for it, and even myself haveOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> fallen for it.Oct 01 09:25
schestowitz>Oct 01 09:25
schestowitz> That isn't to say, however, that any of the activities of the members ofOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> Microsoft should be tolerated. But for a solution to that you will haveOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> to turn to methods of dealing with white collar crime and or organizedOct 01 09:25
schestowitz> crime, which is what you appear to be going up against.Oct 01 09:25
schestowitzYes, I wish to have this stuff documented so that I can point to it rather than repeat it. BTW, I'll be on FLOSS Weekly in 2 weeksOct 01 09:25
schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/FLOSSOct 01 09:25
schestowitzThey'll probably try to trip me upOct 01 09:25
schestowitzLeo and Jono... trying to make me look "radical" (hopefully not). I'm on the Internet all the time,just  trying to make a difference for matters such as rights, freedom, and digital autonomy. But you CAN'T criticise corporations... it's like PEOPLE.Oct 01 09:33
schestowitzMy 80-y-o uncle stil blogs... I got him started  :-)Oct 01 09:34
schestowitz> I have enjoyed posting to the web log and although December will be ourOct 01 09:34
schestowitz> fourth year, I am not at all bored and it is not a chore but rather a funOct 01 09:34
schestowitz> time; all thanks to you for inspiring me to get it started.Oct 01 09:34
schestowitzHe beat everyone to it! Now there are many who blog, but they get only a handful of visits per day, not thousands.Oct 01 09:34
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*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvFL-iZg18&feature=relatedOct 01 09:48
fewaplease kick vcentOct 01 09:48
fewaie MutexOct 01 09:49
fewaall he does is trollOct 01 09:49
schestowitzIf he trolls again, I'd ban himOct 01 10:14
MinceRpermanently?Oct 01 10:58
schestowitzNo/Oct 01 11:47
schestowitzHe can evadeOct 01 11:47
MinceRfor which he'll be banned again, immediately?Oct 01 11:53
schestowitzIt's hard to be sure to do so immediatelyOct 01 12:09
schestowitzBidpond is largeOct 01 12:09
schestowitz*bigOct 01 12:09
MinceRwith meme: BIGPOND IS BIGOct 01 12:10
MinceR;)Oct 01 12:10
schestowitzPond scumOct 01 12:31
fewalol TelstraOct 01 12:36
fewarather not sayOct 01 12:58
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schestowitz>> Yes, I wish to have this stuff documented so that I can point to itOct 01 13:07
schestowitz>> rather than repeat it.Oct 01 13:07
schestowitz>Oct 01 13:07
schestowitz> What should be call the page?  There has been need of a FAQ to deal withOct 01 13:07
schestowitz> MS talking points.  They use the same ones again and again.Oct 01 13:07
schestowitzWe need the Wiki expanded. Can you assist, please?Oct 01 13:07
schestowitz Oct 01 13:07
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Articles_indexOct 01 13:07
schestowitzIf anyone is willing to help expand...Oct 01 13:07
trmanco"A new exploit for the _Smb2ValidateProviderCallback() function has beenOct 01 13:38
trmancoreleased by the same person who created the Denial of Service exploit,Oct 01 13:38
trmancoexcept this one is able to execute code remotely. It seems that ms is sortOct 01 13:38
trmancoof delaying the quick fix for this exploit. Whats even sadder is that theyOct 01 13:38
trmancoknew about it when they developed windows 7 but didn't care to patch windowsOct 01 13:38
trmancovista.  If they dont release a patch soon, viruses will be all over theOct 01 13:38
trmancointernet...Oct 01 13:38
trmancoExploit code:Oct 01 13:38
trmancohttp://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/smb2_negotiate_func_index.rb.txt.html"Oct 01 13:38
schestowitztrmanco: still the SMB2 issue...Oct 01 13:42
schestowitzJust evolving (the exploits)Oct 01 13:42
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schestowitzhttp://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-17924-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69454&messageID=1330921Oct 01 14:45
schestowitzJerlow shoots the messengerOct 01 14:45
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schestowitzhttp://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/320607Oct 01 17:09
schestowitzAlan Grayson refused to apologize Wednesday for saying on the House floor Tuesday night that the GOP health care plan amounts to "don't get sick" - and if you do, "die quickly." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/grayson-not-backing-down_n_305196.htmlOct 01 17:14
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fewa<fewa> rather not sayOct 01 22:15
fewaschestowitz,Oct 01 22:15
schestowitzOKOct 01 22:15
schestowitzSorry about that./Oct 01 22:15
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schestowitzWeird....Oct 01 22:16
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schestowitztrmanco: where's your program?Oct 02 11:51
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schestowitz"_the_mad_hatter: I take it you're aware of "Boycott Boycott-Novell and the enemies list? Sit back and ignore it. I'm about to have some fun."Oct 02 15:07
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trmancoschestowitz:Oct 02 20:07
trmancosorry wasn't around todayOct 02 20:07
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schestowitzFreenode is unstable todayOct 02 22:48
schestowitzSomeone has just gotten upset and mailed me and RMS.Oct 02 22:52
schestowitzMicrosoft lackey CJOct 02 22:52
trmancololOct 02 22:58
schestowitzIt was weird that he mailed just me and RMSOct 02 23:08
schestowitzNot Peter BrownOct 02 23:08
trmancocan you paste?Oct 02 23:17
schestowitzSure.Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzSubject: GNU BucksOct 02 23:24
schestowitzFrom: "C.J. Adams-Collier" <cjac@colliertech.org>Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzTo: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, r@schestowitz.comOct 02 23:24
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schestowitzOrganization: Collier TechnologiesOct 02 23:24
schestowitzDate: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:16:32 -0700Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzMessage-Id: <1254510992.625.21.camel@norseth>Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzMime-Version: 1.0Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzX-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1Oct 02 23:24
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schestowitzHey there guys,Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzRichard, I'd be happy to sign over copyright for my work on GNU Bucks toOct 02 23:24
schestowitzthe FSF, but I'd like to have credit for the invention ;)Oct 02 23:24
schestowitzhttp://web.archive.org/web/20030630132027/gnubucks.com/impressions/rms.htmlOct 02 23:25
schestowitzCheers,Oct 02 23:25
schestowitzC.J.Oct 02 23:25
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MinceRlooks like noise.Oct 02 23:26
trmancognubucks?Oct 02 23:27
trmancothis -> http://www.gnu.org/help/gnu-bucks.htmlOct 02 23:27
trmanco?Oct 02 23:27
MinceR"Chief GNUisance" :DOct 02 23:28
trmancoand that yellow background kinda scares me off reading that email :-POct 02 23:28
trmancobut the question here, is why did you also email you :-POct 02 23:29
MinceRhe wants to waste both RMS's and Roy's timeOct 02 23:29
trmancoand bandwidthOct 02 23:29
MinceRor perhaps to earn a spot in both their killfilesOct 02 23:29
trmancoI fail to understand the whole emailOct 02 23:30
trmancomaybe I'm just tiredOct 02 23:30
trmancoI might buy an asus eeepc 1101 HAOct 02 23:43
MinceRi've ordered an 1005HAOct 02 23:45
trmancothat has a 10" screenOct 02 23:53
trmancoright?Oct 02 23:53
trmancoI need something with great battery lifeOct 02 23:53
trmancothe one I mentioned has about 9 hours of battery lifeOct 02 23:54
MinceRindeedOct 02 23:54
MinceRasus claims 10.5 hours for the one i mentionedOct 02 23:54
MinceR(with the battery i've ordered it, that is)Oct 02 23:54
trmancoahOct 02 23:59
trmancocoolOct 02 23:59
trmancothen I might consider that oneOct 02 23:59
trmancoif you get the special battery for the 1101 it has 11 hoursOct 02 23:59
trmancoand it has a bigger screen :-POct 03 00:00
MinceRand it's bigger and heavier :>Oct 03 00:00
trmancoyeah :-POct 03 00:01
trmancobut I guess it's worth itOct 03 00:01
trmancognOct 03 00:02
schestowitzASUS?!?!Oct 03 00:13
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schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/02/watch-newark-mayor-beefs-with-conan-obrien-via-youtubeOct 03 01:10
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schestowitzI thought you had left cause I asked you that questionOct 03 07:56
schestowitzI found some good healthcare linksOct 03 07:57
fewame too!Oct 03 08:20
fewahttp://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/reid-my-public-option-would-be-private-in-name-only.phpOct 03 08:21
fewa Oct 03 08:21
fewahttp://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-and-switch-how-the-%E2%80%9Cpublic-option%E2%80%9D-was-sold/Oct 03 08:21
fewa Oct 03 08:21
fewahttp://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/13/sullivan-publicoptionin3200unlikemedicare/Oct 03 08:21
schestowitz/me watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJVH8g1UFUs&feature=relatedOct 03 08:21
fewahttp://pnhp.org/amendment/Amendment-3200%20Comparision.pdfOct 03 08:24
fewaMichael moore released a movie todayOct 03 08:25
schestowitzFriday"?Oct 03 08:35
fewaSunday i guessOct 03 08:36
fewa*saturedayOct 03 08:36
fewahttp://michaelmoore.com/Oct 03 08:36
fewahttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/24/after_20_years_of_filmmaking_onOct 03 08:37
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/mmflintOct 03 08:37
fewa<schestowitz> I found some good healthcare linksOct 03 11:01
fewawhich ones?Oct 03 11:01
schestowitzI watch video stuffOct 03 11:05
schestowitzBut I've run out of things to watchOct 03 11:05
fewawatch the nade documentary?Oct 03 11:06
fewa*naderOct 03 11:06
fewa"Public Option" is a shamOct 03 11:07
fewamore properly called "Public fusion to Private insurance profits"Oct 03 11:07
fewadesigned to be a ponyOct 03 11:09
fewahttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/why-the-current-bills-don_b_302483.htmlOct 03 11:15
fewa<schestowitz> I watch video stuffOct 03 11:18
fewagood stuff?Oct 03 11:18
fewalots of good info on that chomsky vidOct 03 11:25
schestowitzI'd rather find good filmsOct 03 11:28
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com.tw/news/ce/0,2000085674,20141419,00.htmOct 03 11:30
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwlsDN-IlkcOct 03 11:32
schestowitzbookmarkedOct 03 11:37
fewaThe FSF Bilski amicus was great http://endsoftpatents.org/amicus-bilski-2009Oct 03 11:55
schestowitzYesOct 03 11:56
schestowitzI saw that; long post comingOct 03 11:57
fewaesp re Diamond v. DiehrOct 03 12:03
fewacurrent Supreme court precedent prohibits software patentsOct 03 12:03
fewaexcept that the Federal Circuit--essentially the patent court--and created a long time ago essentially to serve patent interest on behaf of lobbiests, read the Supreme Court in a convoluted mannerOct 03 12:04
fewaA mathematical formula as such is not accorded the protection of our patent laws, Gottschalk v. Benson, 409 U.S. 63 (1972), and this principle cannot be circumvented by attempting to limit the use of the formula to a particular technological environment. Parker v. Flook, 437 U.S. 584 (1978). Similarly, insignificant post-solution activity will not transform an unpatentable principle into a patentable process. Ibid. To hold otherwise would allOct 03 12:05
fewaow a competent draftsman to evade the recognized limitations on the type of subject matter eligible for patent protection. On the other hand, when a claim containing a mathematical formula implements or applies that formula in a structure or process which, when considered as a whole, is performing a function which the patent laws were designed to protect (e. g., transforming or reducing an article to a different state or thing), then the claiOct 03 12:05
fewam satisfies the requirements of [Section] 101.Oct 03 12:05
fewahttp://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/bilski-amicus-brief.pdf "you also stated" _eek_Oct 03 12:09
fewaits "this court"Oct 03 12:09
fewaIf you look at the pro-patent briefs, ie Yahoo, IBM, they all have Diamond v. Diehr but as passimOct 03 12:12
fewathey don't want to talk about the real precedentOct 03 12:13
fewaas lower courts are not precedentOct 03 12:13
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXX89bnavls#t=7mOct 03 12:46
fewaThe world is changingOct 03 12:48
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-Il80a1YEOct 03 12:50
fewaWe have the exact same thing in the USOct 03 12:50
fewabut there seems to be little talk about itOct 03 12:50
fewawe need this sort of questioningOct 03 12:50
fewapeople like Rush LimbaughOct 03 12:51
fewahttp://vodpod.com/watch/868663-nader-on-rush-limbaugh-and-corporate-welfareOct 03 12:51
fewathe drug addictOct 03 12:51
fewaget the working class to rail at welfare and health care recipients, ie themOct 03 12:51
fewaAlso addresses free press/manufacturing consentOct 03 12:54
schestowitzI've bookmarked theseOct 03 13:08
schestowitzI watch vids hour/dayOct 03 13:08
fewafirst are that chomsky interviewOct 03 13:13
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMy0n6KqqEOct 03 13:14
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978_Amendments_Act_of_2008Oct 03 13:14
schestowitzChomsky's advantage is that he cannot be called anti-AmericanOct 03 13:15
schestowitzOr anti-SemiteOct 03 13:15
schestowitzLikewise, a Linux user cannot be called anti-NovellOct 03 13:15
fewaschestowitz, you can call someone anyoneOct 03 13:15
schestowitzWhereas phonies that are Mac fans and slam open source can be waved offOct 03 13:15
fewaits weather the listening party thinks your crazy for your slanderOct 03 13:16
fewalook at the "lie" during the obama speechOct 03 13:16
fewahttp://bloggasm.com/joe-wilsons-opponent-raises-11000-on-actblue-within-hours-of-obamas-speech-onOct 03 13:17
schestowitzOK, enough mate :-) You've given me 4 vids to watch nowOct 03 13:17
schestowitzI can't keep trackOct 03 13:17
schestowitzI know about the "Lie"Oct 03 13:18
schestowitzObama can't lieOct 03 13:18
fewaand of course if you have no basis for your allegations then your just bitterOct 03 13:18
schestowitzHe's just a screen-readerOct 03 13:18
schestowitzLike BushOct 03 13:18
schestowitzBut Bush read from memory, not a screenOct 03 13:18
schestowitzANd it showedOct 03 13:18
schestowitz"Tomorrow morning I’m scheduled to speak with a representative of ActBlue and I’ll be able to find out more concrete numbers — where all that traffic was coming from and how quickly the money poured in after the speech."Oct 03 13:19
schestowitzNice.Oct 03 13:19
schestowitzThey'll kick him for saying senseful stuffOct 03 13:19
fewaThere was a congressman which said "you lie" during a Obama speech (whose text had been handed out before hand)Oct 03 13:19
fewait shows the theatre of this "two party" systemOct 03 13:19
schestowitzUK parliament is funOct 03 13:21
schestowitzhttp://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Gordon-Brown-PMQs-Save-The-World-Gaffe/Video/200812215176477?lpos=Latest+Video_3&lid=VIDEO_1721699_Brown+Saves+The+World&videoCategory=Latest+VideoOct 03 13:22
fewai like parlimentOct 03 13:24
fewawhen you watch it it is so entertainingOct 03 13:24
fewaunlike the US process of committees and stuffOct 03 13:24
schestowitz"60 seconds, senator'Oct 03 13:38
MinceRhttp://www.viruscomix.com/page480.htmlOct 03 14:40
schestowitzToo much textOct 03 14:45
MinceR:)Oct 03 14:45
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schestowitz"and some truly ridiculous threats against the FSF...from Lefty of course"Oct 03 21:54
schestowitzSomeone just mailed me some stuff (cc'd to rms)Oct 03 21:55
schestowitz"Lefty" is a dangerous psychopath (I know from personal abusive E-mailsOct 03 21:55
schestowitzI've received). It would be best to ignore him. RMS' achievements speakOct 03 21:55
schestowitzfor themselves and people whom I know strongly support him.Oct 03 21:55
schestowitzPeople like Lefty (and ilk) 'market' the illusion of demise -- aOct 03 21:55
schestowitzself-fulfilling promise they believe. Lefty is a marketing person byOct 03 21:55
schestowitzoccupation, so this tactic is only to be expected.Oct 03 21:55
schestowitz4:09 PM Stone: You keep on advising RMS.Oct 03 21:56
schestowitz  Please.Oct 03 21:56
schestowitz  they'll  (referring to FSF here) (will) be dead in a year.Oct 03 21:56
schestowitz4:10 PM sorry: I was at GCDS.Oct 03 21:56
schestowitz"it'll be interesting if "Dr." Stallman finds himself blacklisted from both KDE and GNOME events in the future, won't it?"Oct 03 21:56
schestowitzThe APple/Microsoft shills try to exclude RMSOct 03 21:56
trmancohttp://www.ugarro.com/blog/blog4.php/2009/10/04/linux-on-everythingOct 03 22:42
trmancooopsOct 03 22:42
schestowitznpOct 03 22:54
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fewatrmanco, paste the bot's source codeOct 04 00:04
fewaor http://gitorious.org/ itOct 04 00:04
schestowitzit's already up thereOct 04 00:07
schestowitzCan't recall which siteOct 04 00:07
schestowitztrmanco: pingOct 04 00:07
trmancobitbucketOct 04 00:08
trmancobut I think they are having some "cloud" issuesOct 04 00:08
schestowitzLet us peekOct 04 00:08
schestowitzHehe. CloudOct 04 00:08
schestowitzServer issuesOct 04 00:08
schestowitzIt's our cloud resting..Oct 04 00:08
schestowitz"Like a puppy..."Oct 04 00:09
fewaits raining!!!!!!Oct 04 00:09
fewanooooOct 04 00:09
schestowitzIt's like the "god is peeing" storiesOct 04 00:09
schestowitz"Mummy, why is the code thing down?"Oct 04 00:10
schestowitzMother: "oh, sweetheart, big bad gargoyle is taking a piss on the nice fluffy cloud"Oct 04 00:10
schestowitzMuch better than "fried CPU"Oct 04 00:10
trmancothey founder of bitbucket is having a hard timeOct 04 00:15
trmancothey "amazon" were insisting the there was no problemOct 04 00:15
trmancobut I think they have finally acknowledged the problemOct 04 00:16
trmancognOct 04 00:16
MinceRo/Oct 04 00:17
schestowitzo\Oct 04 00:25
MinceR\oOct 04 00:25
fewaamazon is _expensive_Oct 04 00:32
fewaim suprised noone seems to say itOct 04 00:33
MinceRhttp://notalwaysright.com/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-white-lie-again/2515Oct 04 00:43
fewasomeone needs to make a Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project  wikipedia pageOct 04 01:35
fewafirst time the SCOTUS has looked at the PATRIOT actOct 04 01:35
fewahttp://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?case=Holder_Attorney_General_v_Humanitarian_Law_ProjectOct 04 01:36
fewahttp://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?case=Holder_Attorney_General_v_Humanitarian_Law_ProjectOct 04 01:36
fewa..guess noone here lives in US but me...Oct 04 01:36
fewahttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/1/supreme_court_to_take_up_patriotOct 04 01:36
schestowitzNot in IRC channel -socialOct 04 01:43
fewaI bet thats the only place its been discussedOct 04 01:44
fewaeven though it super-importantOct 04 01:44
fewashow how great the "independent" press isOct 04 01:45
schestowitzHeh.Oct 04 02:10
schestowitzIndependent make it NOT _PRESS_Oct 04 02:10
schestowitzThen it's some "hate site" or "blog"Oct 04 02:10
schestowitzPress=trustedOct 04 02:11
schestowitzIt has logos of big companies :-)Oct 04 02:11
fewanot "hate site"Oct 04 03:15
fewa"terrorist group"Oct 04 03:15
fewaget with the ball hereOct 04 03:15
fewaget with the current meaning of the First AmendmentOct 04 03:16
fewayou can say whatever you want, as long as your opinion has already been published by the New York TimesOct 04 03:16
fewaor Fox NewsOct 04 03:16
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trmanco"you know what they say, you're not really in business until you get sued or ddos'ed."Oct 04 12:23
fewawho said that?Oct 04 12:28
trmancothe creator of bitbucketOct 04 12:44
trmancohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMo3pwyDNnsOct 04 15:07
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trmancohttp://blog.bitbucket.org/2009/10/04/on-our-extended-downtime-amazon-and-whats-coming/Oct 04 18:43
trmanco:schestowitz! PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :http://www.elivecd.org/Oct 04 19:53
trmancoMessage sent with success PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :Title: Where Debian meets Enlightenment .::. Size~: 21.57 KBOct 04 19:53
trmancoPING :leguin.freenode.netOct 04 19:53
trmanco:schestowitz! PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :"It is built on top of Debian GNU/Linux and customized to meet your needs for a complete operating system while still offering the user eye-candy, with minimal hardware requirements."Oct 04 19:53
trmancoMessage sent with success PONG :leguin.freenode.netOct 04 19:53
trmanco:schestowitz! PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :"It is built on top of Debian GNU/Linux and customized to meet your needs for a complete operating system while still offering the user eye-candy, with minimal hardware requirements."Oct 04 19:53
MinceRwutOct 04 19:55
trmancomaybe the logs are getting fullOct 04 19:57
trmancoI'll clear emOct 04 19:57
schestowitzhttp://wonkabar.org/2009/10/02/ripping-vhs/Oct 04 20:06
schestowitzSome people outside my house launch fireworks \o/Oct 04 20:22
trmancohehOct 04 20:27
schestowitzhttp://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/the-fed-fighter-dealbooks-ron-paul-interview/ The Fed Fighter: DealBook’s Ron Paul InterviewOct 04 20:54
schestowitzhttp://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091003/OPINION/910030314/1003/RSS07Oct 04 21:00
schestowitzHopefully many people will watch thisOct 04 21:00
schestowitzMaybe share it too for maximal exposureOct 04 21:00
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schestowitz[22:30] <mikec_> You're right he seems a little jealous and bitter, it's best for me to keep him at a safe distance, some of the nasty things i have heard he has been saying are quite bad, he is very lonely and not happy about it i think.Oct 04 22:30
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 5 10:18:57 2009
*Now talking on #boycottnovell-socialOct 05 10:18
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged]Oct 05 10:18
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009Oct 05 10:18
MinceRmutex alert (HAL_IBM)Oct 05 12:34
schestowitzbased on isp?Oct 05 12:35
MinceRindeedOct 05 12:37
MinceRthough the nick is a little suspicious too (based on "zilog")Oct 05 12:37
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schestowitz"Oct 05 15:35
schestowitzHi Roy,Oct 05 15:35
schestowitzHave you received the documents of ACT from the Commission's services?Oct 05 15:35
schestowitzI have not seen any update on BN on this.Oct 05 15:35
schestowitzI suspect the Commission won't give them away.Oct 05 15:35
schestowitz"Oct 05 15:35
trmancohttp://www.askapache.com/windows/defrag-optimize-speed-xp.htmlOct 05 16:05
schestowitzNTFS - lameOct 05 16:07
trmancoyou need to optimize itOct 05 16:07
schestowitzme? no :-)Oct 05 16:23
schestowitzI remember drfragging my 170MB HDD every nightOct 05 16:23
schestowitzNow my HDD capacity is like 10,000 that amount!Oct 05 16:24
MinceRoptimize it with mkfs.ext3? :>Oct 05 16:27
schestowitzMinceR: make Ballmer support itOct 05 16:28
schestowitzSenilityFS is all they can read/writeOct 05 16:28
MinceRwell, i'd optimize winblows by replacing it with gnu/linuxOct 05 16:28
MinceRbut one could use ext2ifs on winblows (no journaling though)Oct 05 16:29
trmancowindows cant read ext3 :|Oct 05 16:29
trmancothey are the ones that looseOct 05 16:30
schestowitzcan't or won;t?Oct 05 16:30
schestowitzMicrosoft wants exFAT tax?Oct 05 16:30
schestowitzAnd FAT/NTFS at largeOct 05 16:30
schestowitzLike supporting ODF to themOct 05 16:30
trmancowhy are we going to need that shit?Oct 05 16:30
trmancomy external hdd came with ntfsOct 05 16:30
trmancothe first thing I did with it was actually format it into a proper FSOct 05 16:31
schestowitztrmanco: format firstOct 05 16:31
schestowitzI learned the hard wayOct 05 16:31
trmancoit now has ext4 on itOct 05 16:31
trmancoor ext3Oct 05 16:31
schestowitzOnce you put stuff on it, then you need a medium to allow reformating w/o data lossOct 05 16:31
trmancoI can't really remember, I haven't plugged it in a whileOct 05 16:31
schestowitz*mattingOct 05 16:31
trmancoyeahOct 05 16:31
trmancoI also thought like that...Oct 05 16:32
MinceRall my external HDDs are formatted to ext3 :>Oct 05 16:38
trmanco:)Oct 05 16:41
fewayeah and ext3 can work natively on windowsOct 05 16:43
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schestowitzI vaguely recall this tooOct 05 17:13
trmancoyou need 3rd party drivers for it to workOct 05 17:18
schestowitzof courseOct 05 17:18
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trmancohttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9r2dl/why_do_we_still_use_the_x_windows_system/Oct 05 20:21
MinceRbecause it's the best windowing systemOct 05 20:25
MinceRand the people who aim to create a new one tend to lack the clues necessary to make anything betterOct 05 20:25
MinceR"Aww, I'm sorry but I use pulseaudio. I mostly don't hear them." lolOct 05 20:26
trmancoit been improving really well these yearsOct 05 20:26
trmancololOct 05 20:27
trmancopulseaudio is bloatOct 05 20:27
MinceRthe security model of X could use an overhaul thoughOct 05 20:27
trmancoand wastes some of my precious cpu cycles I need for some other stuffOct 05 20:27
MinceRsome sort of access control regarding X resourcesOct 05 20:27
trmancoinstead of thinking of creating forks, people should just contribute to the originalOct 05 20:28
MinceRso that random client a can't make a screenshot of or steal keystrokes from random client b if the user doesn't want it toOct 05 20:28
MinceRNX-style compression would be useful tooOct 05 20:28
trmancoI'm happy with XorgOct 05 20:28
trmancoisn't google doing that with its fork?Oct 05 20:28
MinceRi don't know what google is doingOct 05 20:28
trmancothey were creating their own window systemOct 05 20:29
trmancoand I think it had NX compressionOct 05 20:29
MinceRi didn't know that was supposed to be an X forkOct 05 20:29
MinceRthis is the one for chrome os, right?Oct 05 20:29
trmancoyeahOct 05 20:30
MinceRi had the impression that network transparency was about the last thing that required :>Oct 05 20:30
trmancoit's not a fork sorryOct 05 20:30
MinceRi figured they pretty much just need to render some overlapping 2d windows and nothing else, if thatOct 05 20:30
MinceR(why X isn't good enough for that, i have no idea)Oct 05 20:31
trmancohttp://code.google.com/p/neatx/Oct 05 20:31
trmancoI think it was this oneOct 05 20:31
MinceRi've read about neatx, but drew no connection to chrome osOct 05 20:31
trmancoI think it was released a little before the Chrome OS vaporwareOct 05 20:32
trmancohttp://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/07/releasing-neatx-open-source-nx-servier.htmlOct 05 20:37
trmancohttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.htmlOct 05 20:38
trmancoactuallyOct 05 20:38
trmancoit was on the same dayOct 05 20:38
MinceRwell, it's a big companyOct 05 20:40
trmancothe neatx thing seem very poor and incompleteOct 05 20:41
trmancoand it's mostly written in python :|Oct 05 20:41
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schestowitz===Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <jono> ping?Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz> yo :-)Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <jono> hey!Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <jono> I forgot to mentionOct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <jono> for the FLOSSWeekly show next week, we record it using Skype, is that going to be ok?Oct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz> YesOct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:38] <schestowitz> I have skypeOct 06 08:51
schestowitz[08:39] <jono> ok coolOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:39] <jono> also, will you have video?Oct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:39] <jono> Leo can hook the video feed up if you doOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:40] <schestowitz> I don't have a webcamOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:40] <jono> no worriesOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:40] <jono> audio only is fineOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:41] <schestowitz> coolOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:41] <schestowitz> Let's stay on the main topicsOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:41] <schestowitz> I look forward to itOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:41] <jono> we willOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:41] <jono> I look forward to it tooOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:41] <jono> I will send out a quick set of questions as background for LeoOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:42] <schestowitz> The trolls love to distort other things, that's whyOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:42] <jono> simple bio request etcOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:42] <jono> it turns out there are lots of people on the Internet with opinions :POct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:42] <schestowitz> Opinions are fineOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:42] <schestowitz> As long as it's not libellous and personalOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:42] <jono> I think we will have a spirited debate, but we have that in #boycotnovell tooOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:43] <schestowitz> Like some freaks who call me a "transvestite" and stuffOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:43] <jono> what?Oct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:43] <schestowitz> Yeah, they libel like thatOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:43] <jono> wtf has that got to do with anything?Oct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:43] <jono> even if you were, I don't see why that would matterOct 06 08:52
schestowitz[08:43] <schestowitz> No, I'm not!Oct 06 08:53
schestowitz[08:43] <jono> heh, I didn't think you wereOct 06 08:53
schestowitz[08:44] <schestowitz> But the point is, they don't like talking about technologyOct 06 08:53
schestowitz[08:44] <schestowitz> But the point is, they don't like talking about technologyOct 06 08:53
schestowitz[08:44] <schestowitz> And any divergence from it leads them to itOct 06 08:53
schestowitz[08:44] <jono> It doesn't surprise me that you get criticism, you are a controvertial figureOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:44] <schestowitz> That's OK. :-) I prefer getting technical criticismOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:45] <schestowitz> Not based on what I had for breakfast :-)Oct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:45] <jono> heheOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:45] <jono> well, I don't really give a shit what you had for breakfastOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:45] <schestowitz> PJ taught me that in a way. She refuses to talk about personal lifeOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:45] <jono> I am keen to talk to you about the BC project, it's goals, your inspiration etcOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:45] <schestowitz> It later becomes obvious that those distortions by 'enemies' are the reasonOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:46] <schestowitz> I once wrote about going for a night outOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:46] <schestowitz> The trolls turned this into a story about something with "Gay bar" (that's a distrotion)Oct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:47] <schestowitz> I gave testimony to the police about an attack I sawOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:47] <schestowitz> The trolls turned that to "Roy was arrested"Oct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:47] <schestowitz> That's what I mean, you see?Oct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:47] <jono> I see what you meanOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:47] <schestowitz> Oh.Oct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:47] <schestowitz> And "beaten up by the police"Oct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:48] <schestowitz> They repeat it like a hundred timesOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:48] <jono> trolls will be trollsOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:48] <schestowitz> Until some people might think it's trueOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:49] <jono> well, sorry to run off Roy, but I must head to bedOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:49] <schestowitz> CoolOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:49] <schestowitz> Thanks a lot, mateOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:49] <jono> less than six hours of sleep until the meetingOct 06 08:54
schestowitz[08:49] <jono> no worries, palOct 06 08:54
schestowitz==Oct 06 08:54
schestowitzhttp://www.pwnage.ca/?p=129Oct 06 09:21
schestowitz"satipera: You are probably familiar with it but just in case. http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Main_Page"Oct 06 09:48
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schestowitz===Oct 06 11:17
schestowitz> Savings is only one aspect of the advantages of using free software inOct 06 11:18
schestowitz> education. It should  be made clear that schools need an environmentOct 06 11:18
schestowitz> that fosters better individuals by way of exploration andOct 06 11:18
schestowitz> experimentation.Oct 06 11:18
schestowitzAgreed. I emphasise both points.Oct 06 11:18
schestowitz==Oct 06 11:18
oiaohmAlso communityOct 06 11:22
schestowitzYesOct 06 11:23
schestowitzJust caught this mail from JulyOct 06 11:23
schestowitzAll sorts of mailboxes I forgot I hadOct 06 11:24
schestowitzLike 22Oct 06 11:24
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schestowitzpj re: sys-con and MOG:Oct 06 17:34
schestowitz> Actually, she puts out all her articles, last I looked, as press releases.Oct 06 17:34
schestowitz>Oct 06 17:34
schestowitz> hahahahhaaOct 06 17:34
schestowitzThey appear multiple times.Oct 06 17:34
schestowitzSys-con=spam.Oct 06 17:34
schestowitzSys-Con Media Site Delisted, Spam Pattern ExplainedOct 06 17:34
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/01/ulitzer-com-banned-by-google/Oct 06 17:34
schestowitzNews Site That Promotes the SCO Lawsuit and Microsoft’s Patent Racket is Bullying CriticsOct 06 17:34
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/28/sys-con-truth/Oct 06 17:34
schestowitzSeems like the Microsoft/Apple/crap shill has found a new victim to issue legal threats toOct 06 18:36
schestowitz*Oct 06 18:36
schestowitzsent me a DMCA takedown notice for the graphic I made of him on that article linked.Oct 06 18:36
schestowitzwhat a hypocrite eh?Oct 06 18:36
schestowitz^^^QUOTEOct 06 18:36
schestowitzStill going around threatening people. He should be locked up in an institute reallyOct 06 18:37
schestowitzOld memories....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyHSpNqRo_IOct 06 22:01
schestowitzHeh. Someone just E-mailed me "I respect what you do for our community. "Oct 06 22:02
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schestowitz"Oct 07 01:06
schestowitzI've been trying to send this link for sometime.Oct 07 01:06
schestowitzAnd, after some struggle, i've finally made it...Oct 07 01:06
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/oct/06/windows-phone-mobileOct 07 01:06
schestowitzFor your appreciation and perhaps you can post an article in Boycott NovellOct 07 01:06
schestowitzBest regardsOct 07 01:06
schestowitz"Oct 07 01:06
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trmancocan I try and ban him?Oct 07 13:03
trmancomutexOct 07 13:04
oiaohmThe thing with mutex is that you ban him.  He will be back.Oct 07 13:05
schestowitzsureOct 07 13:05
oiaohmSo far mutex has no good arguements.Oct 07 13:06
trmancoahOct 07 13:06
trmancolet me use the botOct 07 13:07
oiaohmEven using bot mutex is one of these people who will use relays.Oct 07 13:08
trmancojust a testOct 07 13:08
oiaohmJust be careful not to lock out non gulity in the process trmancoOct 07 13:09
trmancoI think I did it rightOct 07 13:09
MinceRthe banmask isn't so great :>Oct 07 13:09
trmancowellOct 07 13:09
trmancoyes he just entered againOct 07 13:10
trmancothis is the only mask I have :|Oct 07 13:10
trmancohehOct 07 13:14
trmancohow many people use freenodes webchat?Oct 07 13:14
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schestowitz,  load average: 12.07, 4.23, 2.04Oct 07 13:37
schestowitzhm........Oct 07 13:37
*trmanco think schestowitz need to move to the cloud :-POct 07 13:38
fewaand then it will rainOct 07 13:38
fewa*poof*Oct 07 13:38
trmancohehOct 07 13:39
trmancomaybe you should as ibiblioOct 07 13:39
trmancoask*Oct 07 13:39
fewadumb metaphors are nice cause they are easy to diffuseOct 07 13:40
trmancoor maybe host the databases on a different serverOct 07 13:41
schestowitzI've gotta goOct 07 13:42
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schestowitzJust got back from a meeting...Oct 07 15:25
schestowitzUS to export riot-roasting raygun < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/07/silent_guardian_export/ >Oct 07 15:45
schestowitzMade in the USA. That's what they are good at exporting other than "IP"Oct 07 15:45
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schestowitzWindows fanboi now chats with Microsoft employee *sigh*Oct 08 15:30
MinceRadus is a m$ employee?Oct 08 15:31
schestowitz> Something is wrong with slashdot for quite a few years now.  I supposeOct 08 15:32
schestowitz> they got a MSFTer on the staff and he's burned out all the talentedOct 08 15:32
schestowitz> staff.  However, even if the site is mostly a waste of time, I wouldOct 08 15:32
schestowitz> strongly encourage those who used to frequent it to metamoderate atOct 08 15:32
schestowitz> least once a week.  It is a quick way of (if the system works) puttingOct 08 15:32
schestowitz> MSFTers in their place.Oct 08 15:32
schestowitz>Oct 08 15:33
schestowitz> I very much recommend contacting the two above, in a non-public manner,Oct 08 15:33
schestowitz> and encouraging them to metamoderate.Oct 08 15:33
schestowitz> http://slashdot.org/metamod.plOct 08 15:33
schestowitz> </>Oct 08 15:33
schestowitzBetter to let /. die, not feed it IMHO.Oct 08 15:33
schestowitzBN has similar issues. Microsoft employees enter the IRC channel. Right now it's drowned by endless talk about DirectX and Vista.Oct 08 15:33
schestowitzMinceR: yesOct 08 15:33
MinceRthen permban them both with extreme prejudice.Oct 08 15:33
MinceR:>Oct 08 15:33
schestowitzI can'tOct 08 15:34
MinceRwhy?Oct 08 15:34
schestowitzWe're still open to discussionOct 08 15:34
schestowitzUnless there is abuseOct 08 15:34
MinceRtheir existence is abuseOct 08 15:34
schestowitzBN seems to have gotten a new focus now with them...: homosexuality and WIndows WIndows WIndowsOct 08 15:35
MinceRdo we need that focus?Oct 08 15:35
schestowitzNo.Oct 08 15:35
schestowitzOh.Oct 08 15:35
MinceRthey can go discuss those things in ##homosexuality and ##windows, respectively.Oct 08 15:35
schestowitzAnd islamophobia from RyanOct 08 15:35
MinceRthat's offtopic tooOct 08 15:35
schestowitz[15:35] <Adus> I couldn't believe the simple presence of Gay marriage earned it a mature ratingOct 08 15:36
schestowitz[15:35] <DaemonFC> these are just like redlining or Jim Crow lawsOct 08 15:36
schestowitz[15:35] <Adus> Otherwise it would have been a teen gameOct 08 15:36
schestowitz[15:35] <DaemonFC> or whites couldn't marry blacks in most states til 1968Oct 08 15:36
schestowitz[15:35] <Adus> Yeh. Are you gay?Oct 08 15:36
schestowitz*sigh*Oct 08 15:36
schestowitzGet  a room, guys!Oct 08 15:36
MinceRthat would be a good kickreason.Oct 08 15:36
schestowitzI could just /topic gay people who love WIndowsOct 08 15:37
schestowitzThat'll get in as many regulars as a Mac channel with the same themeOct 08 15:37
schestowitzANyway, it's off topicOct 08 15:37
MinceRlolOct 08 15:37
MinceRexcessive offtopic can kill a channel.Oct 08 15:37
schestowitzReligion and politics are not much better, but politics is connected to software, as well as everything elseOct 08 15:38
trmancolooolOct 08 15:44
trmancobozo_ is mutexOct 08 15:44
schestowitzBrucie can't take it. http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/boycott-boycott-novell-and-i/Oct 08 15:56
schestowitztrmanco: thanks, didn't noticeOct 08 15:56
schestowitzBrucie leaves comments in that attack siteOct 08 15:59
schestowitzNovell employees promote it, including MiguelOct 08 15:59
schestowitzThey have gone quite miserableOct 08 15:59
schestowitzGroklaw has had attack sites against it tooOct 08 16:00
schestowitzThey died out (no attention)Oct 08 16:00
MinceRooh, poor brucie gets semi-regularly attacked for spewing stupid bullshitOct 08 16:37
MinceRi feel so sorry for poor brucieOct 08 16:38
MinceRhe slams BN for issues with logic and grammar then consistently misspells BBN as BNNOct 08 16:39
MinceRoh the ironyOct 08 16:39
MinceRwell, not so consistentlyOct 08 16:39
schestowitzThe "BBN" folks (David) are idiotsOct 08 16:43
schestowitzThey only boost interest in BNOct 08 16:43
schestowitzI.e. exact opposite effectOct 08 16:43
schestowitzTraffic went up since they launched. They give and spread the perception that BN is so big that it has satellite sites on its tailOct 08 16:44
schestowitzMinceR: the posts don't have issues with languageOct 08 16:44
schestowitzOnly IRC, AFAIKOct 08 16:45
schestowitzI proofread carefullyOct 08 16:45
MinceRlulzOct 08 16:45
schestowitzExactly BECAUSE of idiots like BrucieOct 08 16:45
schestowitzLinuxTOday folks are tired of him... that's where I got "brucie" fromOct 08 16:46
schestowitzThey say things like, "don't read this post... look, it has typos"Oct 08 16:46
schestowitz======Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz>> Better to let /. die, not feed it IMHO.Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz>Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz> Neither feeding it, nor ceding it.Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz>Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz>> BN has similar issues. Microsoft employees enter the IRC channel. RightOct 08 19:22
schestowitz>> now it's drowned by endless talk about DirectX and Vista.Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz>Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz> There's got to be a good strategy to counteract their ratpacking of forums.Oct 08 19:22
schestowitzWatch the IRC logs tomorrow/today at midnight.Oct 08 19:22
schestowitz"Adus" is the Microsoft employee. See what he does.Oct 08 19:22
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schestowitz===Oct 09 17:46
schestowitz> Nice. We need to slashdot this. Microsoft is paying guys not to haveOct 09 17:46
schestowitz> slashdot linking to you i suppose?Oct 09 17:46
schestowitzA Slashdot admin whom you know but I can't name told me about the role of PR firms in /. I don't read that site anymore, but it does occasionally link to BN (more times than I can remember... maybe 6).Oct 09 17:46
schestowitz===Oct 09 17:46
schestowitz> Hi,Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz> The font size is tiny and hard to read. Could you upgrade the CSS toOct 09 18:20
schestowitz> more readable 12pt size?Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/09/linux-foundation-bbc-free-video/Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz> This text is tiny:Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz> "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft andOct 09 18:20
schestowitz> their subtle (yet severe) implications"Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz> And the whole of the rest of the page.Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz>Oct 09 18:20
schestowitz> Your personal site also has same problems, title bar text isOct 09 18:21
schestowitz> minuscule. why not make that readable too? http://schestowitz.com/Oct 09 18:21
schestowitzHi,Oct 09 18:21
schestowitzYes, I thought about changing this, but this would cause issues as the older pages were written with existing font size in mind. Why not use browser zoom/text size?Oct 09 18:21
schestowitz==Oct 09 18:21
schestowitzIs is that bad???Oct 09 18:21
schestowitzShould we maybe redo layout?Oct 09 18:21
trmancoit's big enoughOct 09 18:28
trmancoat least here it is readableOct 09 18:28
schestowitzYeahOct 09 18:43
schestowitzNot for everyoneOct 09 18:43
schestowitzI met different peopleOct 09 18:43
schestowitzSome are like moles (blind)Oct 09 18:43
schestowitzSO you can never make everyone happyOct 09 18:43
schestowitzBack in 2 hours..... gym.Oct 09 18:43
schestowitz-------Oct 09 21:19
schestowitz>> How do you know?Oct 09 21:19
schestowitz> >Oct 09 21:19
schestowitz> > http://www.newsweek.com/id/55777/page/2Oct 09 21:19
schestowitzBTW, the Commission is asking for feedback from the Community over theOct 09 21:19
schestowitzEuropean Software Strategy, as they mentionned in your blog post.Oct 09 21:19
schestowitzLet s make an avalanche of them...Oct 09 21:19
schestowitz-------Oct 09 21:19
schestowitzWill anyone else help?Oct 09 21:19
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> If you dig around on the net you can find a lot of discussions, surveys,Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> analyses, and even petitions to Adobe requesting that the Adobe suite orOct 09 21:21
schestowitz> even just Photoshop be available for Linux:Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10371887-248.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> If it's ported to iPhone and desktop OS X, then it's part of the wayOct 09 21:21
schestowitz> there.Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> Since joining the Linux foundation, especially forOct 09 21:21
schestowitz> Dot-Com^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWeb 2.0, Adobe should put its money where its mouthOct 09 21:21
schestowitz> is and do the following:Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> 1. open the specification for FlashOct 09 21:21
schestowitz> 2. start maintaining GPL flash playersOct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> Later,Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz> 3. make the C3 or C4 suite (Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop) availableOct 09 21:21
schestowitz> on Linux, especially Red Hat and Ubuntu.Oct 09 21:21
schestowitz>Oct 09 21:22
schestowitz> http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2008/03/30/adobe-joins-linux-foundation-with-focus-on-linux-for-web-20-applications/Oct 09 21:22
schestowitzRed Hat guys have warned about Adobe. Watch closely what they do to the Web.Oct 09 21:22
schestowitzThe fot issue is not going awayOct 10 00:14
schestowitztrmanco: do you know a style selector?Oct 10 00:14
schestowitzCOntext:Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz==Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz> Hi RoyOct 10 00:14
schestowitz>Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz> Thanks for your reply.Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz>Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz> Roy Schestowitz wrote:Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz> [..]Oct 10 00:14
trmancoin what contextOct 10 00:14
schestowitz>> Hi,Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz>>Oct 10 00:14
schestowitz>> Yes, I thought about changing this, but this would cause issues as theOct 10 00:15
schestowitz>> older pages were written with existing font size in mind. Why not useOct 10 00:15
schestowitz>> browser zoom/text size?Oct 10 00:15
schestowitz>Oct 10 00:15
schestowitz> My thought is the older pages would benefit too. You could just useOct 10 00:15
schestowitz> newer CSS tags for new articles.Oct 10 00:15
schestowitz>Oct 10 00:15
schestowitz> I did use zoom, but that seems like a temp workaround so I thought IOct 10 00:15
schestowitz> would let you know. I change PCs and browsers frequently, so would beOct 10 00:15
schestowitz> nice if you could have a more regular size!Oct 10 00:15
schestowitzLet me see if I can add style selectors to the site. Esp. for you.....Oct 10 00:15
schestowitz> BTW, could you add a contact email address to boycott novel? and yourOct 10 00:15
schestowitz> blog, was really hard to find your email address!Oct 10 00:15
schestowitzWe usually use IRC. :-)Oct 10 00:15
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/irc-channel/Oct 10 00:15
schestowitzIt's a lot faster.Oct 10 00:15
schestowitzJust a quick dropdown menu for stylesOct 10 00:15
schestowitzI can do it manually, but it's lots of workOct 10 00:15
schestowitzhttp://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php?q=selectorOct 10 00:16
schestowitzold: http://windyroad.org/software/open-source/wordpress/skinner-plugin/Oct 10 00:17
schestowitzAh.Oct 10 00:18
schestowitzhttp://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/theme-switcher/Oct 10 00:18
schestowitz"Last Updated: 2005-11-20"Oct 10 00:19
schestowitzMeh.Oct 10 00:19
schestowitzI give upOct 10 00:23
schestowitzWaste of timeOct 10 00:23
schestowitzI can't find a theme selector for visitorsOct 10 00:23
schestowitzGroklaw has that built into GeeklogOct 10 00:23
trmancoohOct 10 00:27
trmancoyou want a dropdown where you can select a different stylesheet?Oct 10 00:27
trmancoor some button to change styles without a page refresh?Oct 10 00:27
schestowitztrmanco: eitherOct 10 00:27
schestowitzIt would be nice to also have totally different stylesOct 10 00:28
schestowitzSome people want a WIDE viewOct 10 00:28
schestowitzScreen-wideOct 10 00:28
trmancoif you use % values it would adapt to the screen sizeOct 10 00:28
trmancobut then it might break some other stuffOct 10 00:29
schestowitzActually, it would not workOct 10 00:31
schestowitzI have some imgs embedded into htmlOct 10 00:31
schestowitzSo I can't so themes simultaneouslyOct 10 00:31
schestowitzLeave zooming to browserOct 10 00:31
schestowitz[00:27] <schestowitz> Does anyone know a theme selector for visitors in WordPress. I can't find any in the plugins libraryOct 10 00:34
schestowitz[00:30] <-- adam-_- has left this server.Oct 10 00:34
schestowitzOct 10 00:34
schestowitz[00:31] <lysek> heyOct 10 00:34
schestowitz[00:31] <lysek> how do i make firefox reload the style?Oct 10 00:34
schestowitz[00:31] <sivel> Ctrl-Shift-ROct 10 00:34
schestowitz[00:31] <sivel> at least on Windows and LinuxOct 10 00:34
schestowitz[00:31] <Dr-Linux|home> Marko_: i'm sorry but thanks for your helpOct 10 00:34
schestowitzUselessOct 10 00:35
trmancohehOct 10 00:37
trmancomight be better in the mailing listsOct 10 00:37
schestowitzNo.Oct 10 00:39
schestowitzI have mailing listsOct 10 00:39
schestowitzI only post the WP-hacker stats nowOct 10 00:39
trmancon00bsOct 10 00:42
schestowitzNopeOct 10 00:42
schestowitzwp-hackers has the core peopleOct 10 00:42
schestowitzBut it's slow to readOct 10 00:42
schestowitzirc is fastOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:37] <Marko_> does anyone know how to fix all in one seo : you dont have permission to access this page?Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:37] <ansimation> jdingman, pingOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:38] --> conorp has joined this channel (n=conorp@58.175.168.130).Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:38] <-- conorp has left this server (Client Quit).Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:40] <schestowitz> Marko_: you need to do some setupOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:40] <schestowitz> The new version requires that you configure it first and enableOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:40] <schestowitz> It's not intuitive  (wasn't for me anyway)Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:40] <Marko_> i cant access configuration panel at allOct 10 00:43
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schestowitz[00:40] <schestowitz> jus tthe plugin?Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:40] <Marko_> i can just see plugin installedOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:40] <Marko_> if i go to cpanel, get that errorOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] * schestowitz waves at trmancoOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] <ansimation> shower, back in a fewOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] <schestowitz> cpanel????Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] <jdingman> ansimation, I had an idea, did some research, found out there were people already doing it -- no need to re-invent the wheel, so nvm on that ping.Oct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] <Marko_> configuration panelOct 10 00:43
trmancoI mean ircOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] <Marko_> for the allinoneOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:41] <schestowitz> Not sure then, sorryOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:42] <sivel> jdingman: you trying to make ansimation do unnecessary work?Oct 10 00:43
schestowitzOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:42] <Marko_> tnx anywayOct 10 00:43
schestowitz[00:42] <schestowitz> npOct 10 00:44
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schestowitz-------Oct 10 09:01
schestowitzYou need to dig into "confirmatory application". Andre is quiteOct 10 09:01
schestowitzfamiliar with it.Oct 10 09:01
schestowitznext time you write about zuck, try to have a good picture of him, heOct 10 09:01
schestowitzlooks so american :-)Oct 10 09:01
schestowitz---Oct 10 09:01
schestowitzEC is uselessOct 10 09:01
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*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009Oct 10 20:02
schestowitz> "Zonker and Perlow are now colleagues at ZDNet."Oct 10 20:09
schestowitz>Oct 10 20:09
schestowitz> We are not. We -were- colleagues at ZDNet. Zonker wrote his last blogOct 10 20:09
schestowitz> entry in July and is no longer writing for ZDNet. You can see thatOct 10 20:09
schestowitz> quite clearly if you look at his post history.Oct 10 20:09
schestowitz> http://blogs.zdnet.com/communityOct 10 20:09
schestowitzAhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......Oct 10 20:09
schestowitzI wondered why he hadn't written for so long.Oct 10 20:09
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/09/google-ditches-the-google-base-search-pageOct 10 20:27
schestowitzShame for Google...Oct 10 20:27
schestowitzUbuntu update coughs...:Oct 10 20:44
schestowitzError Type:Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzError Value: "The cache has no package named 'dpkg-exec'"Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1948, inOct 10 20:45
schestowitzmain()Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1945, in mainOct 10 20:45
schestowitzrun(args, options.single)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1907, in runOct 10 20:45
schestowitzbackend.dispatcher(args)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line 636, in dispatcherOct 10 20:45
schestowitzself.dispatch_command(args[0], args[1:])Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line 611, in dispatch_commandOct 10 20:45
schestowitzself.update_packages(package_ids)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 166, in _unlock_cache_afterwardsOct 10 20:45
schestowitzfunc(*args, **kwargs)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1095, in update_packagesOct 10 20:45
schestowitzif not self._commit_changes(): return FalseOct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1620, in _commit_changesOct 10 20:45
schestowitzPackageKitInstallProgress(self, install_range))Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/cache.py, line 314, in commitOct 10 20:45
schestowitzres = self.installArchives(pm, installProgress)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/cache.py, line 289, in installArchivesOct 10 20:45
schestowitzres = installProgress.run(pm)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/__init__.py, line 329, in runOct 10 20:45
schestowitzres = self.waitChild()Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/__init__.py, line 298, in waitChildOct 10 20:45
schestowitzself.updateInterface()Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 398, in updateInterfaceOct 10 20:45
schestowitzapt.progress.InstallProgress.updateInterface(self)Oct 10 20:45
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/__init__.py, line 277, in updateInterfaceOct 10 20:45
schestowitzstatus_str.strip())Oct 10 20:46
schestowitzFile : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 372, in statusChangeOct 10 20:46
schestowitzpkg = self._backend._cache[pkg_name]Oct 10 20:46
schestowitzFile : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/cache.py, line 142, in __getitem__Oct 10 20:46
schestowitzraise KeyError('The cache has no package named $r' $ key)Oct 10 20:46
schestowitzfrom zdnet:Oct 10 20:48
schestowitz> FWIW, we are going to have another prominent Open Source communityOct 10 20:48
schestowitz> leader take over the column soon, hopefully. Finding the people toOct 10 20:48
schestowitz> have the time to do it is a major obstacle.Oct 10 20:48
trmanco./archive:Oct 10 23:37
trmancototal 23MOct 10 23:37
schestowitzMine is biggerOct 10 23:37
schestowitzI've just had to clean upOct 10 23:38
schestowitzIt take ages to back up this stuffOct 10 23:38
schestowitzI have it running from two PCs evenOct 10 23:38
trmancothat is the bot's current archiveOct 10 23:38
trmancoI'll do backups and compressed files when it reaches a certain limitOct 10 23:39
schestowitzdoesn't include graphics evenOct 10 23:39
trmanconopeOct 10 23:39
trmancojust textOct 10 23:39
trmancoor more precisely, html markupOct 10 23:39
schestowitz"This is a major failure of your software management system. Please check for broken packages with synaptic, check the file permissions and correctness of the file '/etc/apt/sources.list' and reload the software information with: 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install -f'"Oct 11 00:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.pwnage.ca/?p=158 Lefty Makes Sexist CommentsOct 11 10:18
MinceRoh the irony.Oct 11 11:09
trmancololOct 11 11:40
trmancohe links to BNOct 11 11:41
trmancowho is mr.pwnage?Oct 11 11:44
trmancohehOct 11 11:44
trmancoanother dude taking on leftyOct 11 11:45
trmancoand he/she is from ontario :DOct 11 11:46
schestowitzDavid has many enemiesOct 11 12:20
schestowitzSince the 90sOct 11 12:21
trmancoare you logging this?Oct 11 12:21
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trmancohttp://identi.ca/notice/11807413Oct 11 15:47
schestowitz> Roy Schestowitz wrote:Oct 11 19:53
schestowitz> [..]Oct 11 19:53
schestowitz>>> I did use zoom, but that seems like a temp workaround so I thought IOct 11 19:53
schestowitz>>> would let you know. I change PCs and browsers frequently, so would beOct 11 19:53
schestowitz>>> nice if you could have a more regular size!Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>>Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>> Let me see if I can add style selectors to the site. Esp. for you.....Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz> GreatOct 11 19:54
schestowitzI spent about an hour chasing it up, without success :-( I've asked around too.Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>>> BTW, could you add a contact email address to boycott novel? and yourOct 11 19:54
schestowitz>>> blog, was really hard to find your email address!Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>>Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>> We usually use IRC. :-)Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>>Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>> http://boycottnovell.com/irc-channel/Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>>Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>> It's a lot faster.Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz>Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz> Ah yes. I didn't realise there was a channel, perhaps that could beOct 11 19:54
schestowitz> added to a "contact us" page.Oct 11 19:54
schestowitzGreat idea. I'll do it now.Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz Oct 11 19:54
schestowitz> I would use IRC more, but my client's firewall blocks it.. I guess IOct 11 19:54
schestowitz> should set up a VPN tunnel over SSH or so to get out more!Oct 11 19:54
schestowitzDoes the Web-based UI not work?Oct 11 19:54
schestowitzwallclimber has been away for a long while.....Oct 11 20:56
schestowitzI should mail her.....Oct 11 20:56
schestowitzI'll be on FLOSS weekly on Wednesday < http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS >, 3 shows after Linus.Oct 11 20:56
schestowitzLeo likes Miguel :-(Oct 11 20:57
schestowitzhttp://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2009/10/10/morons/Oct 11 22:50
trmancowho is Leo?Oct 11 22:50
schestowitzThe hostOct 11 23:00
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_laporteOct 11 23:00
trmancoohOct 11 23:01
schestowitzhttp://live.twit.tv/Oct 11 23:04
schestowitzhttp://irc.twit.tv/Oct 11 23:06
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schestowitzOct 12 11:04:09 <trmanco>what happened to roy?Oct 12 13:25
schestowitzOct 12 11:26:09 *fewa (n=fewa@unaffiliated/fewa) has joined #boycottnovell-socialOct 12 13:25
schestowitzRouting issues, trmancoOct 12 13:25
schestowitzSo I took off to the gym :-DOct 12 13:25
trmancoah ok, wbOct 12 13:25
schestowitzI have a separate server at my office logging anywayOct 12 13:26
fewawhat a filmOct 12 13:38
fewawho killed the electric car?Oct 12 13:38
fewareally goodOct 12 13:39
fewayou should watch itOct 12 13:39
schestowitzIs it on YT? :-)Oct 12 13:40
fewanoOct 12 13:43
fewawhere ur latex/lyx templates/layouts?Oct 12 14:12
schestowitzhttp://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/ThesisOct 12 14:14
fewahow do you highlight test?Oct 12 14:22
fewaie yellowOct 12 14:22
fewa*textOct 12 14:22
schestowitzIt lyx?Oct 12 14:28
schestowitz*inOct 12 14:29
fewayeahOct 12 14:29
schestowitzIn order version you needed a colour package in the preamble IIRCOct 12 14:30
fewaah oOct 12 14:30
fewakOct 12 14:30
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zO-XKEY8PQOct 12 14:37
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Mpe7XfODk <--trailerOct 12 14:37
fewalooks fan done...Oct 12 14:38
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIwYwAQ8juIOct 12 14:43
fewawow no transmissionOct 12 14:47
schestowitzAs I understand it, they also killed public transportationsOct 12 14:54
fewaschestowitz, and they were found guilty of criminal conspiracyOct 12 14:54
schestowitzYesOct 12 14:54
fewaand they use patents to crush competitionOct 12 14:54
schestowitzSettled for a meal's worthOct 12 14:54
fewawhy patents should be destroyedOct 12 14:54
fewamore harm than goodOct 12 14:54
fewacrony capitalismOct 12 14:56
schestowitzHehe. http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2009/10/10/morons/comment-page-1/#comment-12925Oct 12 14:56
schestowitzMakes you angry, eh?Oct 12 14:59
schestowitzWell, luckily the UK has decent public transportitionOct 12 14:59
fewanot really, just sadOct 12 14:59
fewaits what will destroy the ability for the planet to sustain usOct 12 14:59
fewaat least 1 billion that will have to move due to ocean floodingOct 12 15:00
fewaall those deaths, and only a few that created the problemOct 12 15:01
fewaguilty sons of a bitchesOct 12 15:01
fewathe state-corporate governmentOct 12 15:01
schestowitzMany of them in their 50sOct 12 15:01
fewaof the USOct 12 15:01
schestowitzThey don't have to worry muchOct 12 15:02
schestowitzBanana RepublicOct 12 15:02
schestowitzNational Fruit.....Oct 12 15:02
fewaits just sadOct 12 15:02
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_riseOct 12 15:04
fewahttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11002Oct 12 15:06
fewaWUTOct 12 15:06
schestowitzOne cm per year in PacificOct 12 15:08
fewabut its hows as unevenOct 12 15:09
fewahow is that possible?Oct 12 15:09
fewais it the actual ocean or a atmospheric thing?Oct 12 15:09
fewajust doesn't make sensOct 12 15:10
fewaor i guessOct 12 15:11
schestowitzPressuresOct 12 15:11
fewasince red on west, blue on easyOct 12 15:11
schestowitzLike idesOct 12 15:11
schestowitz*tidesOct 12 15:11
fewayeah flowsOct 12 15:11
fewageneral direction of tidesOct 12 15:12
fewaand the big blue is a eddy?Oct 12 15:12
fewabecause no way outOct 12 15:12
fewathing is this is change*Oct 12 15:12
fewanot just general levelsOct 12 15:12
fewaseems it would equalize in <monthOct 12 15:12
fewathinking of how much water moves arounds with tidesOct 12 15:13
fewa*lots* of waterOct 12 15:13
fewawell, i guess at equator its only +-1 ft....Oct 12 15:14
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schestowitzNASA has no record of deceiving that I know ofOct 12 15:45
fewano im not saying thatOct 12 15:53
fewajust saying its something i do not understandOct 12 15:53
schestowitzThey could measure ice levels :-)Oct 12 15:54
schestowitzOr do satellite footage, over timeOct 12 15:54
schestowitzSome German ship manages to go above Russian seas to get to AsiaOct 12 15:55
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schestowitz> hi,Oct 12 19:45
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:45
schestowitz>        @xxt that's why I call it "Vista 7" (since 2008)Oct 12 19:45
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:45
schestowitz> I have noticed your use of Vista 7 on your BN blog, and I think that itOct 12 19:45
schestowitz> is very clever.  I almost used that trick here on this Dent, but then IOct 12 19:45
schestowitz> thought that it would be confusing.  Vista 7 works when you have enoughOct 12 19:45
schestowitz> space to to explain it, and then it is really clever and to the point.Oct 12 19:45
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:45
schestowitz> That's what I like about that article that I had Dented: it is one ofOct 12 19:45
schestowitz> the first "mainstream" posts that I have seen with a negative impressionOct 12 19:46
schestowitz> of Vista 7.Oct 12 19:46
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:46
schestowitz> I have also seen your clever GIMP work with Vista 7 pictures ofOct 12 19:46
schestowitz> Microsoft Senior Management standing in front of Vista 7 banners, etc.Oct 12 19:46
schestowitz> Quite clever, very funny, works well.  heh.Oct 12 19:46
schestowitzVista 7 -- like FS -- takes just 3 seconds to explain, as RMS puts it.Oct 12 19:46
schestowitzWhy Vista 7? Cause it's just Vista redone. People can understand that. :-)Oct 12 19:46
schestowitz"Re: Snow Leopard stole from Windows 7"Oct 12 19:48
schestowitz> Apart from Snow Leopard being out before Windows 7, is any of this true ?Oct 12 19:48
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:48
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:48
schestowitz> "Although Mac fanboys and Windows zealots don't like to admit it, theOct 12 19:48
schestowitz> fact is that both Windows 7 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard containOct 12 19:48
schestowitz> features that originated in the other OS. Some features were stolen soOct 12 19:48
schestowitz> long ago that they've become part of the computing landscape, and it'sOct 12 19:48
schestowitz> difficult to remember who invented what"Oct 12 19:48
schestowitz>Oct 12 19:48
schestowitz> http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/apple-versus-microsoft-top-20-stolen-ideas-os-wars-046Oct 12 19:48
schestowitzProbably true to some degree.Oct 12 19:48
MinceR"the other OS" being GNU/Linux, yes :>Oct 12 19:48
schestowitzYesOct 12 19:50
schestowitzKDE for exampleOct 12 19:50
schestowitzBut going a while back it's also true that KDE took some of the things Microsoft took from othersOct 12 19:50
schestowitzThat's how it worksOct 12 19:50
schestowitzUser expectationsOct 12 19:50
MinceRand they all took the most fundamental things from Xerox PARCOct 12 19:52
schestowitzYes.Oct 12 19:53
schestowitzPeople don't remember thisOct 12 19:53
schestowitzThey remember popularisersOct 12 19:53
schestowitzSometimes companies over the original inventorsOct 12 19:53
MinceRall hail The Almighty Money and all worship The Almight Companies that have so much of it.Oct 12 19:54
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fewaWTF is a "factor arket"Oct 12 20:26
fewasounds like bettingOct 12 20:26
fewaor a form of derivitiveOct 12 20:26
MinceRwell, if "factoring" is selling debts, then "factor market" might be a market of debtsOct 12 20:27
MinceRbut i'm just guessing hereOct 12 20:27
fewafactoring is spliting a number into its factorrs....Oct 12 20:28
fewaMinceR, so its a derivitiveOct 12 20:28
fewabasicly gamblingOct 12 20:28
schestowitzDon't worryOct 12 20:29
schestowitzIt's a safe gambleOct 12 20:29
schestowitzIf it works, you get richOct 12 20:29
schestowitzIf it fails, the public bails you outOct 12 20:29
schestowitzThus "too big to fail"Oct 12 20:29
MinceR:)Oct 12 20:30
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNDArT0PpxEOct 12 20:30
fewahonestly they should have just dumped the whole thingOct 12 20:33
fewafact is they have a role in it tooOct 12 20:33
fewacant see it go underOct 12 20:33
fewathe state-corporate allianceOct 12 20:33
schestowitzThanks for the videoOct 12 21:16
schestowitzQueued for viewingOct 12 21:16
schestowitzBTW, MJ has a new videoOct 12 21:16
schestowitzmichaeljackson.comOct 12 21:16
schestowitzSucks badly IMHOOct 12 21:16
schestowitzBoring tuneOct 12 21:16
schestowitzAnd they make headlines about itOct 12 21:16
schestowitzfewa: I watch the car thingOct 12 21:25
schestowitzBut fewa, it take gas pollution at the electricity/power plantsOct 12 21:27
schestowitzChina makes electric cars these daysOct 12 21:28
trmanco"Bullshit, this is not about threat of legal action, it's about Apple's general "we don't do porn" image that they want to protect. How would you feel if Microsoft decided to block porn on your PC because they don't do porn? And anyway there are millions of books on Project Guttenberg and maybe a dozen of them could be qualified as adult lit - such as Kamasutra. And they have banned apps for stupider reasons. My point is that whoeverOct 12 23:43
trmancosells me my device should not have a say in what I'm allowed to run on it. I payed for my device and I will pay for any app I want to buy."Oct 12 23:43
trmancohttp://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9svev/monty_python_wrote_microsoft_nets/Oct 13 00:20
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/hp_emc_openworld/Oct 13 00:27
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schestowitz===Oct 13 08:28
schestowitz> It seems that the different parts of Boycottnovell use differentOct 13 08:28
schestowitz> passwords. :(  The Wiki is different from the commentary.Oct 13 08:28
schestowitzYes, unifying those would require something more complicated like LDAP. I don't even wanna go there...Oct 13 08:28
schestowitzWe could use help around the Wiki, especially with post indices (lists).Oct 13 08:28
schestowitz===Oct 13 08:28
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8AqBGpVsbAOct 13 08:34
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trmancoschestowitz: execute this -> /msg ChanServ set #boycottnovell mlock -cOct 13 16:38
trmancohttp://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/356576/67d6daf94e2fd841/Oct 13 18:54
trmancohttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Oct-12.htmlOct 13 20:00
trmancopftOct 13 20:00
trmanco...Oct 13 20:00
MinceRif they wanted a slower git, why didn't they use mercurial? :>Oct 13 20:01
trmancomercurial isn't slowerOct 13 20:03
trmancoit's actually faster than git on certain tasksOct 13 20:03
trmancobut the thing isOct 13 20:03
MinceRand slower on certain other tasks?Oct 13 20:03
trmancowhy re-invent the wheel?Oct 13 20:04
trmancoyesOct 13 20:04
trmancoit's a matter of secondsOct 13 20:04
MinceRthat would depend on how big the changeset is, wouldn't it?Oct 13 20:05
trmancoyesOct 13 20:05
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schestowitzSnow Leopard data-munching bug predates Snow Leopard < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/snow_leopard_data_eating_bug_predates_now_leopard/ >Oct 14 03:01
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trmancogeezeOct 14 21:51
trmancothat twit tb channel is full of trollsOct 14 21:51
trmancotv*Oct 14 21:51
trmancoand directhex includedOct 14 21:51
trmancothough he hasn't trolled yetOct 14 21:51
trmancothe trolls are anonymousOct 14 21:51
trmanco<Web754>: jonobacon: Jesus, ask him a real quesiton, like how he feels with calling for a boycott of ubuntu, and sending his shill army out to troll the ubuntu lists, being caught with a pgp signed email proving his complacency and denying itOct 14 21:52
trmanco<Web754>: jonobacon: Jesus, ask him a real quesiton, like how he feels with calling for a boycott of ubuntu, and sending his shill army out to troll the ubuntu lists, being caught with a pgp signed email proving his complacency and denying itOct 14 21:52
trmancooopsOct 14 21:52
trmanco<Roebot>: WOW!! WTF! Boycott novell insinuating Microsoft drove Reiser to kill his wife: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/09/irc-log-08082008/#tAug%2008%2019:59:14Oct 14 21:52
trmanco<YO_MAMA>: roy is just an epic trollOct 14 21:58
trmanco<directhex>: so. anyone have any questions r.e. mono? /me is one of the maintainers in debian/ubuntuOct 14 22:00
trmanco<directhex>: Web1604: there's a whole bunch of stuff that mono does but .net cannotOct 14 22:05
trmancohe failed to say whatOct 14 22:05
trmanco<Roebot>: This guy is seriously mentally ill. Seriously. We are listening to a paranoid schizophrenic.Oct 14 22:33
trmanco<edin>: roy is a paranoid troll, deserves no air time on twit imhoOct 14 22:43
trmanco<Web223>: Spamowitz is how they call him thereOct 14 22:44
trmanco<RedTroll>: Then why wasn't Roy "prepared" if he had weeks to prepare.Oct 14 22:50
trmanco<raynet>: RedTroll: it is actually quite difficult to come up with a response to a long interview on the spotOct 14 22:52
trmanco<RedTroll>: He was asked questions and kept mentioning not "prepared" and other evasion....anyway stimulating showOct 14 22:52
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trmancoschestowitz: did you see the log?Oct 14 23:09
trmancoon this channelOct 14 23:09
schestowitzYesOct 14 23:17
schestowitzschestowitz_log:Oct 14 23:17
trmancookOct 14 23:17
trmancoredtroll smell like leftyOct 14 23:18
trmancosmells*Oct 14 23:18
schestowitzload average: 12.73, 5.81, 2.82Oct 14 23:34
schestowitztrmanco: yes, he would definitely be thereOct 14 23:35
schestowitzHe has thousands like nyms, like flatfishOct 14 23:35
schestowitzHe's attacking another FOSS advocate these daysOct 14 23:35
trmancoI can almost say that I was certain about itOct 14 23:35
schestowitzWhich takes him focus off meOct 14 23:35
trmancobut I have no specific proofOct 14 23:35
trmancoschestowitz: is your name pronounced schestoVVitz or is it really with a W?Oct 14 23:55
schestowitzWitzOct 15 00:02
schestowitzPeople mispronounce it a lotOct 15 00:02
schestowitzGerman rootsOct 15 00:02
trmancoahOct 15 00:03
trmancoI think Leo mispronounced itOct 15 00:03
schestowitzThey tried to approach personal questionsOct 15 00:03
trmancohe used a VOct 15 00:03
schestowitzWhat did Leo say befoire and after?Oct 15 00:03
schestowitzI don't they they keep video recorded?Oct 15 00:03
trmancothey were pressuring himOct 15 00:03
schestowitzI just did the skype segmentOct 15 00:03
trmancoyou should have read the channelOct 15 00:03
schestowitztrmanco: jono, right?Oct 15 00:03
schestowitzThey had it planned (in Twitter)Oct 15 00:04
trmancoyesOct 15 00:04
trmancotrolls from irc were pressuring jonoOct 15 00:04
trmancoand when jono asked you those questions, they would almost go "hooray" for jonoOct 15 00:04
trmancoI failed to provide examplesOct 15 00:05
trmanco...Oct 15 00:05
trmancothing like "you go jono"Oct 15 00:05
trmancoleo said nothing at the beginning about youOct 15 00:07
schestowitzAlways the same vocal bunchOct 15 00:07
trmancobut at the end, he said that you had a point, after he read BN for some novell issuesOct 15 00:07
schestowitzOKOct 15 00:07
trmancothat sure shut up the whole troll crowed for a whileOct 15 00:07
schestowitzHe read some stuff I mailed JonoOct 15 00:08
trmancohe said that he did see a problem between novell and microsoft until he read bn, and you have a pointOct 15 00:08
trmancoI think this was recordedOct 15 00:08
schestowitz> * A short bio for each person.  Looking for three things: relationshipOct 15 00:08
schestowitz> to theOct 15 00:08
schestowitz> project being discussed, relationship to any other FLOSS (that's the showOct 15 00:08
schestowitz> theme, you see), and perhaps a few unusual facts that we wouldn't thinkOct 15 00:08
schestowitz> to askOct 15 00:08
schestowitz> you about to help you stand out from the herd.Oct 15 00:08
schestowitzAt Boycott Novell I'm the editor. I do some FLOSS too. SeeOct 15 00:08
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/proj.htmOct 15 00:08
schestowitzMost notable project is: http://othellomaster.com/Oct 15 00:08
schestowitzhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/othellomaster/Oct 15 00:08
schestowitzhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/othellomaster/Oct 15 00:08
schestowitzIn general, it would be best not to ask me personal questions (non-professional life), but I think what makes it stand out from the herd are my achievements in sports.Oct 15 00:08
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/sports.htmOct 15 00:09
schestowitz> * Any online references that we can skim (and promptly forget) forOct 15 00:09
trmancoand he also said that "we" should be careful about you because you're a big "bodybuilder" :-POct 15 00:09
schestowitz> backgroundOct 15 00:09
schestowitz> reading. We'll also use these for the show notes.Oct 15 00:09
schestowitzSome of my key arguments are covered here:Oct 15 00:09
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/faq/Oct 15 00:09
schestowitzThe same as in OOXML debateOct 15 00:09
schestowitzTrolls in IRCOct 15 00:09
schestowitztrmanco: heh.Oct 15 00:09
trmancoreallyOct 15 00:09
trmancoyou should see the end if it was recordedOct 15 00:09
trmancoohOct 15 00:09
trmancothey also said that it was bad talking at your backOct 15 00:10
trmancothey were talking about you at the end, but nothing badOct 15 00:10
schestowitzThanks.Oct 15 00:11
schestowitzIt's reassuring, but this was a messOct 15 00:11
schestowitzBy bringing up false allegations he just put me in a position where I was annoyed at one stageOct 15 00:11
schestowitzANd saying something like "Think that BN is bad etc." is not something you can counterOct 15 00:12
schestowitzCause it's an opinionOct 15 00:12
schestowitzThat's a debate trickOct 15 00:12
schestowitz"You have been a bad boy"Oct 15 00:12
trmancoyeahOct 15 00:12
schestowitzRepeated many timesOct 15 00:12
trmancothat's because people were pressuring himOct 15 00:12
schestowitzAs though the jury is out on thisOct 15 00:12
trmancoand it was one way on making it interestingOct 15 00:12
trmancothere was actually at least one pro schestowitz personOct 15 00:14
trmancobut he was outnumbered by the enormous amount on anonymous trollsOct 15 00:15
schestowitzTHat's OKOct 15 00:17
schestowitzPeople who do things like me get trollsOct 15 00:17
schestowitzAnd they incite against the causeOct 15 00:17
schestowitzThat's normalOct 15 00:17
schestowitzMeh,.Oct 15 00:32
schestowitzI hate this......Oct 15 00:32
schestowitz> I was just talking about you today!  You're very welcome for any help IOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> was able to give.  Always glad to do more if you need.  Even when I'mOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> busy with work, I can usually find the time.  (I know, I really shouldOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> get over my fear of wikis and lend a hand there...we'll see. :o)Oct 15 00:32
schestowitzNice. Was worried about you...Oct 15 00:32
schestowitz Oct 15 00:32
schestowitz> Sorry I haven't been hangin' out on BN's irc lately.  I had someOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> problems with it.  Apparently someone registered my nick so I couldn'tOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> use it anymore.  I'll get it worked out eventually.  I also got veryOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> (very!) angry at someone on BN's irc and decided it would be best toOct 15 00:32
schestowitz> just stay away from it for a while.Oct 15 00:32
schestowitzWho was that person? I won't mention this to him. I have some arsehole there I can't kickban. :-(Oct 15 00:32
schestowitz> However, I've still been reading your new articles with my coffee everyOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> morning and the irc logs in the evenings.Oct 15 00:33
schestowitzGood. I envision those whom I think will read it.Oct 15 00:33
schestowitz> I've been painting a wall this last couple of weeks, along with otherOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> work, so life's been pretty hectic lately.  The wall is just a small oneOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> this time, thankfully.  It's also the most traditional one I've everOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> done, so if it hadn't been for the hot weather (and wind...argh) itOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> would have been an easy painting job.  It's not finished yet, but youOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> can see how it's coming along from the pics (they are "before & after"Oct 15 00:33
schestowitz> pics).Oct 15 00:33
schestowitzWill look in a second.Oct 15 00:33
schestowitz> That's great that you're on FLOSS weekly...I shall definitely check itOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> out!  That's the one with Jono Bacon, yes?Oct 15 00:33
schestowitzIt was a disaster. Trolls took over Twit.tv IRC and called for accusations and false allegations to be made against me. But never mind that....Oct 15 00:33
schestowitz> I hope all is well with you...and thanks for writing.  I'll check backOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> into irc again one of these days and say hi.  In the meantime, take goodOct 15 00:33
schestowitz> care!Oct 15 00:33
schestowitzGood video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVo1lQXzmus&feature=relatedOct 15 02:40
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fewawhy is Mutex_ allowed in the channel?Oct 15 06:14
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schestowitzFlatf*? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-14-022-35-OP-DT-0001Oct 15 09:59
trmancosimple fix -> http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/changeset/3d47a8020c37/Oct 15 11:41
schestowitzNice.Oct 15 11:49
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trmancohttp://twitter.com/Elland_RoadOct 15 16:31
schestowitzit's one of his nyms, I reckonOct 15 17:23
trmancooh it isOct 15 17:38
trmancowhat an idiotOct 15 17:38
trmancoI don't get why people do thisOct 15 17:38
trmancois it that they don't have the balls to post the stuff under their own real names?Oct 15 17:38
schestowitzIllusion of crowdsOct 15 17:41
schestowitzLike Flat*Oct 15 17:41
schestowitzEscaping mental/real filtersOct 15 17:41
trmancobut he is differentOct 15 17:41
schestowitzNot much differentOct 15 17:42
trmancohe doesn't represent anything of fossOct 15 17:42
schestowitzI spoke to jono about this last night after the show...Oct 15 17:42
schestowitzFor about an hourOct 15 17:42
schestowitzHe'd been fed many lies about meOct 15 17:42
schestowitzFrom the slanderers who claim I blamed Microsoft for ReiserOct 15 17:42
schestowitz[17:42] <trmanco> he doesn't represent anything of fossOct 15 17:43
schestowitzNeither is heOct 15 17:43
schestowitzHe's not a FOSS personOct 15 17:43
schestowitzHe's a MARKETING guyOct 15 17:43
schestowitzHe's not a technology personOct 15 17:43
trmancoyesOct 15 17:43
trmancothat was going on in the irc channel yesterdayOct 15 17:43
trmancosome idiotOct 15 17:43
schestowitzApple/ACCESS whatever...Oct 15 17:43
trmanconamed redtrollOct 15 17:43
trmancolefty has something to do with limoOct 15 17:43
schestowitzHe went to a 5th grade college to study thetreOct 15 17:43
schestowitzhe's not FOSSOct 15 17:43
schestowitzHe just uses the "FOSS" to make incomeOct 15 17:43
trmancowhat is a 5th grade college?Oct 15 17:44
schestowitzNo-namersOct 15 17:44
trmancoa terrible one?Oct 15 17:44
schestowitzYesOct 15 17:44
trmancoLOLOct 15 17:44
MinceRi thought crApple and access weren't relatedOct 15 19:08
schestowitzBoth proprietaryOct 15 19:28
MinceRthat isn't saying muchOct 15 20:08
schestowitzExactly.Oct 15 20:47
trmancoyou were rightOct 15 21:43
trmancothe closer we get to the launch of windows 7, more stupid troll nyms com into cola attacking linuxOct 15 21:44
schestowitzIt's garyOct 15 22:13
schestowitzBut they'll have a reunion (all the usual trolls with new nyms) soonOct 15 22:13
trmancololOct 15 22:37
trmancoall from the same server using windows and all the same clientOct 15 22:37
schestowitzYou'll seeOct 15 23:16
schestowitzit happened every time there is a releaseOct 15 23:16
schestowitzThe show's up: http://www.twit.tv/floss91Oct 15 23:45
schestowitzI f***ing hate my voice, but I can at least listen to what they said after I had gone offlineOct 15 23:45
schestowitzLeo was indeed supportive as I see it now, more than I anticipatedOct 15 23:46
trmanco:)Oct 15 23:54
trmancoI like you voiceOct 15 23:54
trmancoyou don't sound britishOct 15 23:54
trmancoit's sometimes hard for the english people from the other side of the globe to fully understand the british accent at first :-POct 15 23:55
trmancoyour*Oct 15 23:58
schestowitzI spoke to jono for a long time last nightOct 16 00:05
schestowitzIt was different when he's not reading the trolls on irc and grillingOct 16 00:05
trmancoas I saidOct 16 00:08
trmancothere was a large amount of pressure coming from the troll poll channelOct 16 00:08
schestowitzI'm still hoping not many people listen to the showOct 16 01:22
schestowitzI don't give links :-)Oct 16 01:22
schestowitzBut wallclimber found it somehow... :-oOct 16 01:22
schestowitz===Oct 16 01:22
schestowitz"It was a disaster. Trolls took over Twit.tv IRC and called for accusations and false allegations to be made against me. But never mind that..."Oct 16 01:22
schestowitz..................................................Oct 16 01:22
schestowitzHey!  Hi!Oct 16 01:22
schestowitzI just now listened to the FLOSS Weekly episode that you were on, it took you a while to hit your stride (I could tell that you were a little nervous at first), but you handled it very nicely.  The first guy that was asking you questions seemed like he was being intentionally obtuse, he'd apparently been absorbing a lot of troll-postings just before the show...hmph!  >:o(Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzYou answered the question about spammers very well!Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzAnd I cheered when you explained why you keep doing what you do.  Very nice answer.Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzAll in all, you countered their rather hostile questions beautifully.Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzRegarding Jono's passive/aggressive rant, when he was telling you that you should be more public about disassociating BN from spammers, I wish you had thought to say: "Well, that's exactly what I am doing right now, Jono"...because apparently he was so busy lecturing you he didn't notice...he seemed to dwell on that issue far longer than it deserved.Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzSeriously, I don't think you should call the show a "disaster" at all!Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzYou know, when people like Bill Gates and Stevie Ballmer are interviewed, they are never put on a hot seat like that (at least not since the big anti-trust trial).  Nobody ever asks them uncomfortable questions, and neither one of them could have held up to that kind of hostile interrogation with NEARLY as much poise as you did.  (Bill would have curled up in his chair and whimpered, Steve would have just thrown the chair andOct 16 01:23
schestowitzstomped off.  :)Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzYou stayed the course, you stayed calm, and you should be very proud of having done such a good job.Oct 16 01:23
schestowitzApplause, applause, applause!!Oct 16 01:23
schestowitz:o)Oct 16 01:23
schestowitz===Oct 16 01:23
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schestowitzHmmmmmmmOct 16 10:26
schestowitzQuote.Oct 16 10:26
schestowitz===Oct 16 10:26
schestowitzI'm glad to hear it, but if there's any beer later, he should pay for it.  He owes you one.Oct 16 10:26
schestowitzWhat makes me upset is that those who have gone out of their way to smear BN (and Groklaw and anyone else that writes pro-free software articles), then seem to turn around and say they are just trying to express an opinion.  But anyone who disagrees should just be quiet and don't rock the boat.Oct 16 10:26
schestowitzJono insisting on you answering his question about whether you think BN actually harms Open Source, was unseemly.  I liked that you told him that it might be harming "Open Source" agendas, but not Free Software.  He needed to hear that.Oct 16 10:26
schestowitzAlso, the Jeremy Alison article "Monomania" is one that Jono should read.  Jeremy also knows what it's like to have his reputation smeared by Microsoft.  Everyone goes on and on about how valuable Miguel is, but is his opinion more valuable or more credible than Jeremy's?Oct 16 10:26
schestowitzAlso, it seemed odd to me that the other interviewer (I can't remember his name) couldn't see a problem with Microsoft slithering into the Free Software community.  He acknowledged that they were only interested in furthering their own profits, but he never seemed to question why GNU/Linux companies should be interested in helping Microsoft to do that.Oct 16 10:26
schestowitzWhy welcome someone that needs to be constantly watched to make sure they play by the rules???Oct 16 10:27
schestowitzWhat made me lose respect for Jono was that it was obvious he knew his questions were pandering to the hostile elements, the ones that make so much noise and cause so much grief.  After you were off the air, Jono and the other guy both sounded apologetic because of the loaded and hostile questions they'd asked.Oct 16 10:27
schestowitzOk...I'll stop, sorry for the rant.  Maybe I should write to Jono and tell him what I think?   (just kidding)Oct 16 10:27
schestowitz===Oct 16 10:27
schestowitz /quoteOct 16 10:27
oiaohmhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/15/2121214/Sonar-Software-Detects-Laptop-User-Presence  Hmm we are getting too many ways to find peopleOct 16 10:31
MinceRi think i'll find that locking useful, if it will work on my laptopsOct 16 10:33
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/royal_mail_website_outage/Oct 16 10:33
schestowitzWho still uses mail much anyway?Oct 16 10:33
oiaohmMinceR: I was wonder if distributed sonar will be possiable.  if so that could be useful for locating the boss comming and other bad things.Oct 16 10:35
MinceR:)Oct 16 10:41
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schestowitzMy cousin:Oct 16 14:56
schestowitz"Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzWow, just ran across your FLOSS appearance…I never miss any of Leo's and the other TWIT podcasts!!!Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzI can't wait to listen to yours….Maybe I can find their live stream too.Oct 16 14:56
schestowitz Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzScottOct 16 14:56
schestowitz"Oct 16 14:56
schestowitz> I COMPLETELY DISAGREE!...You communicated very well and confronted the tough questions in an attempt to hold your feet to the fire. I mean it, you came off intelligent and well informed. I only wish you would have had a webcam!Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzYou you watch it as video?Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzhttp://odtv.me/2009/10/floss-91/Oct 16 14:56
schestowitz===Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzNo, that was bad....Oct 16 14:56
schestowitzI was very uncomfortable, distracted. It just wasn't 'me'Oct 16 14:57
schestowitzTraffic in BN is up like 10% in recent days because of the showOct 16 14:57
trmancoOutput #0, ogg, to 'floss91.ogv':Oct 16 16:54
trmanco    Stream #0.0(und): Video: libtheora, yuv420p, 480x270 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 90k tbn, 24 tbcOct 16 16:54
trmanco    Stream #0.1(und): Audio: flac, 44100 Hz, mono, s16, 64 kb/sOct 16 16:54
trmancoStream mapping:Oct 16 16:54
trmanco  Stream #0.0 -> #0.0Oct 16 16:54
trmanco  Stream #0.1 -> #0.1Oct 16 16:54
trmancoPress [q] to stop encodingOct 16 16:54
trmanco:)Oct 16 16:54
trmancooopsOct 16 16:56
trmancoI forgot the audioOct 16 16:56
trmancoah, it's gnuOct 16 16:57
schestowitzOh cool.Oct 16 16:57
trmancoso no problem thereOct 16 16:57
schestowitzBut I can't get myself to post this in BNOct 16 16:57
schestowitzI'm too uncomfortable with itOct 16 16:57
trmancoit's too big alsoOct 16 16:57
schestowitzIt's just not me. I was not myself.Oct 16 16:57
schestowitzIt's not too bigOct 16 16:58
schestowitzIf people stream it, it's not an issueOct 16 16:58
schestowitzCPU/RAM, not b/w, is the issueOct 16 16:58
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Open-source-Game-Editor-for-Linux-and-Windows-830690.htmlOct 16 16:58
trmancomaybe I'll put it up in the web archive :-POct 16 16:58
trmancowhere else would I host it?Oct 16 16:59
schestowitzin BNOct 16 16:59
schestowitzWe have spaceOct 16 16:59
trmancohow am I going to send this huge file?Oct 16 16:59
trmancobit torrent?Oct 16 16:59
trmancothere is no way I can send this by emailOct 16 17:00
schestowitzNo, SSHOct 16 17:00
schestowitzrsync/scp evenOct 16 17:01
trmancohmmOct 16 17:01
trmancogood ideaOct 16 17:01
trmancoftp too :-POct 16 17:01
schestowitzI'll give you a p/wOct 16 17:01
schestowitzsftp, ftp is not secureOct 16 17:01
trmancookOct 16 17:04
trmancoit's still encodingOct 16 17:04
trmancoand it's a alot bigger than the mp4Oct 16 17:04
trmancoahhh dang itOct 16 17:05
trmanco*** glibc detected *** ffmpeg: double free or corruption (out): 0x094ecf78 ***Oct 16 17:05
schestowitzHehe./Oct 16 17:10
schestowitzThat's be me talkingOct 16 17:10
schestowitzI broke the thingOct 16 17:10
trmancogrrrOct 16 17:39
trmancois the video important?Oct 16 17:39
schestowitzNot so muchOct 16 17:40
schestowitzDon't worry about itOct 16 17:41
schestowitzI don't feel comfortable with people watching it anywayOct 16 17:41
schestowitzI felt interrogated and cornered and acted accordinglyOct 16 17:41
schestowitzI'd rather produce something where I lead the discussion, not defend myself in face of false accusationsOct 16 17:41
trmancoschestowitz: doneOct 16 18:35
trmancowhere can I uploadOct 16 18:36
trmanco115 MBOct 16 18:37
trmancoping schestowitzOct 16 18:45
schestowitztrmanco: scp *.ogv boycottn@216.105.40.114/home/boycottnOct 16 19:11
schestowitzI've changed pw temporarilyOct 16 19:12
schestowitzSee PMOct 16 19:12
schestowitzQuick question: should I post the Twit video to BN front page? What does gut feeling tell you?Oct 16 19:48
schestowitzI could put it at the bottom of a post to give it less attentionOct 16 19:49
schestowitzWe have a "nasty troll" issue.Oct 16 19:49
schestowitz===quote==Oct 16 19:49
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Oct 16 19:49
schestowitz>Oct 16 19:49
schestowitz> Just wanted to let you know whose comments made me so mad I stoppedOct 16 19:49
schestowitz> visiting BN's IRC for a while.  I've been thinking it over and decided IOct 16 19:49
schestowitz> should tell you so you wouldn't suspect the wrong person.Oct 16 19:49
schestowitz>Oct 16 19:49
schestowitz> It was Diablo, and there have been several occasions that I believe heOct 16 19:49
schestowitz> has stepped way over the boundries of decent commentary.  On one night,Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> in particular, his vile comments seem intentionally calculated to beOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> hurtful to others - not me specifically, but I certainly fell into theOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> general groups he was targeting, and I believe he knew I was there.Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz>Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> I almost commented back to him at one point, but decided not to.  ItOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> would have given his diatribe more attention than it deserved.  Plus,Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> being female, he would have assumed I was just whining and being tooOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> sensitive.  I'm sure I would have regretted talking back to him.Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz>Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> I am not offended by cussing.  Mostly I find it annoying if someoneOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> can't express themselves without cussing every other word, but inOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> general I don't pay much attention to it.  In fact, I can cuss with theOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> best of them, and be quite creative too, especially when I get riled!  :)Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz>Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> So, I'm truly not easily offended by mere words or generalOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> conversational stuff.  People have to be free to be themselves, and IOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> don't want to be treated differently than anyone else.  Nor do I want toOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> be considered a complainer.  It's the mean-spirited, intentionallyOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> hurtful and cruel comments that I truly dislike.  I stayed away becauseOct 16 19:50
schestowitz> I didn't want to lose my temper...Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz>Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> Anyway, now you know.Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> I'll stop bombarding you with rambling emails now (until next time...heh)Oct 16 19:50
schestowitz> Take care,Oct 16 19:51
schestowitzI knew it was him.Oct 16 19:51
schestowitzI kicked him many times before. He is an enemy of ours, since he was spreading libel against us, and at some point he was suspect of being behind the DDOS attack. I'll ban him mercilessly when he gets nasty again. I suspect it's part of the Linsux 'cartel'... that's when he first came along with the others from there.Oct 16 19:51
schestowitz===/quote===Oct 16 19:51
trmancoahOct 16 20:10
trmancoyou gotta love my slow internet upload speedOct 16 20:10
schestowitzSpeed doesn't matter here as long as it gets here.Oct 16 20:12
trmancoit willOct 16 20:12
schestowitzI'm surprised some people are not shocked by my poor apperanceOct 16 20:12
schestowitzI don't even know why I'd share it :-oOct 16 20:12
trmanco75 KB/s is my maxOct 16 20:12
trmancothere was a huge amount of pressureOct 16 20:13
trmancoand, you just faced it like any real man would ofOct 16 20:13
trmancoyou didn't back downOct 16 20:13
trmancoI read a troll saying that he/she/it was surprised that you didn't hangupOct 16 20:13
schestowitzI never thought of itOct 16 20:22
schestowitzBut my throat got dry very fastOct 16 20:22
schestowitzSo I couldn't talkOct 16 20:22
schestowitzPeople don't seem to have noticedOct 16 20:22
schestowitzCause they don't know what I normally sound likeOct 16 20:23
schestowitzJust got some feedback:Oct 16 20:23
schestowitzQUOTEOct 16 20:23
schestowitz>  http://odtv.me/2009/10/floss-91/Oct 16 20:23
schestowitz> > It was terrible for me, but some people disagree.Oct 16 20:23
schestowitzNo, Bill Gates sounds much worse .. :)Oct 16 20:23
schestowitzWhat is this site, who are the two interviewers. Notice they paint youOct 16 20:23
schestowitzwith the 'controversy' label. It's like the atheist v true-believersOct 16 20:23
schestowitzargument I see on another forum. Rather than address the issue theyOct 16 20:23
schestowitzabuse the non-believers and use the response as evidence as to theirOct 16 20:23
schestowitzextremism. Notice they spend a lot of time addressing personalities.Oct 16 20:23
schestowitzThat's what you get for making personal remarks. Stick to theOct 16 20:23
schestowitztechnical issues. Tell the facts and nothing but the facts. That wayOct 16 20:23
schestowitzthey can't trip you up.Oct 16 20:23
schestowitz7:57 a good response. They attack the messenger rather than the msg ...Oct 16 20:23
schestowitz10:23 he mentioned mono ..Oct 16 20:23
schestowitz11:38 'are you calling for a boycott'Oct 16 20:23
schestowitz12:10 'lies and deception' a good response ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz13: you mentioned the IRCchan. Do you still archive it. You do realizeOct 16 20:24
schestowitzthat it is being astroturfed ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz Do you still display the IP address of the posters. If so, much bad.Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz14:51 Shane Coyle ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz16:14 this better be the exact position of 'Shane Coyle'Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz16:49 more questions on Shane Coyle, 'got his facts wrong'Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz20:39 you did well, good for Novell isn't good for FOSSOct 16 20:24
schestowitz23:34 Good response from you ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz23:59 Good other responseOct 16 20:24
schestowitzhe just mentioned Mugel and you pointed out he's a Vice PresidentOct 16 20:24
schestowitz24:46 ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz25:00 you mentioned GroklawOct 16 20:24
schestowitz27:15 A good reposte ... :)Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz27:36 top class ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz28:04 brilliantOct 16 20:24
schestowitz28:20Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz29:56 the ethos .. a poison apple ..Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz34:41 .. you are being love bombed :)Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz33:54 .. he just accused you of spamming. Danger Will Robson.Oct 16 20:24
schestowitzThese spammers are ms shills reposting your articles so as you get theOct 16 20:24
schestowitzblame. I told you they would use the IRCchan to beat you up.Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz36:10 ... those ms shills are earning their money. 'people are worriedOct 16 20:24
schestowitzthat BN is spamming people'Oct 16 20:24
schestowitz37:08 .. this is precisely why I dropped out of the IRC chan. YouOct 16 20:25
schestowitzwould not take steps to protect it from the trolls.Oct 16 20:25
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schestowitzHe's right thoughOct 16 20:25
schestowitzAll the issues with the interviewOct 16 20:25
schestowitzhmmmm...Oct 16 20:28
trmancoschestowitz: doneOct 16 20:29
schestowitz> finally he is out, he thinks BN is bad ... (paranoia mode: who's heOct 16 20:31
schestowitz> fronting for)Oct 16 20:31
schestowitzHimself. I knew from the start. It's like Fox-reilly. Still, no such thing as bad publicity.Oct 16 20:31
schestowitz> 13: you mentioned the IRCchan. Do you still archive it. You do realizeOct 16 20:31
schestowitz> that it is being astroturfed ..Oct 16 20:31
schestowitzOnly a fraction of the timeOct 16 20:31
schestowitz> twit.tv FLOSS Weekly Jono Bacon ?Oct 16 20:32
schestowitzjono is also in our irc chan. Doing homework with others like Jason Perlow in there. We have Microsoft employees there too. We keep it polite. Can't give the impression of a "yes men" club. Don't worry, I watch reactions and keep the temperature down.Oct 16 20:32
schestowitz> Basically Boycottnovell was blocked for a period of time.  The culpritOct 16 20:33
schestowitz> as you can see from the traceroute is Cogent.Oct 16 20:33
schestowitzAccidental? Groklaw was once blocked by filters in Norway.Oct 16 20:33
schestowitzThere's a lot of sniffing going on in BNOct 16 20:35
schestowitzANd I don't think we can trust many peopleOct 16 20:35
schestowitzFrom Scandinavia:Oct 16 20:35
schestowitz"Oct 16 20:35
schestowitz2) There is a lot of anti-FOSS action going on here under a micron-thinOct 16 20:35
schestowitzveneer of support.  Microsofters have been positioning themselvesOct 16 20:35
schestowitzthroughout the public sector and doing what they can to activelyOct 16 20:35
schestowitzneutralize or drive out anyone knowledgeable about ICT.  At least in theOct 16 20:36
schestowitznorth, there has been an active witch-hunt going on for at least a yearOct 16 20:36
schestowitzand a half.Oct 16 20:36
schestowitzThe veneer is usually just a bunch of fake friendliness to gather intelOct 16 20:36
schestowitzand delay while secondary teams can react.  COSS has been crippled andOct 16 20:36
schestowitzspreading ineffectual initiatives and even has at least one nationalOct 16 20:36
schestowitzproject with the goal to extend Windows in schools.Oct 16 20:36
schestowitzCan't tell enough from the English portions of his web site to know ifOct 16 20:36
schestowitzhe is 'good' or 'bad'Oct 16 20:36
schestowitz"Oct 16 20:36
schestowitz[boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ ls -laOct 16 20:36
schestowitztotal 1393144Oct 16 20:36
schestowitzdrwx--x--x 18 boycottn boycottn     12288 Oct 16 11:56 .Oct 16 20:36
schestowitzdrwxr-xr-x  7 root     root          4096 Jul 16 16:43 ..Oct 16 20:36
schestowitz-rw-r--r--  1 boycottn treed    120594233 Oct 16 12:22 1014-floss91.ogvOct 16 20:36
schestowitzThanks a _lot_!Oct 16 20:36
schestowitzPassword revertedOct 16 20:37
trmanco:)Oct 16 20:41
schestowitzA lot more people subscribed to BNOct 16 20:54
schestowitzSo I guess the show didn't do as much damage as I feared when I rejected jono's invitationOct 16 20:54
trmanco2009-10-16 21:00:13zc3xxprobe 2wr ov vga 0x0000Oct 16 21:02
trmancomy webcam is detected, but the driver isn't really that goodOct 16 21:02
trmancoBus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:08af Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Easy/CoolOct 16 21:04
trmancoI just can't figure out why it only works half of the timeOct 16 21:04
schestowitzone example of feedback http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/floss-weekly-interviews-roy-schestowitz/Oct 16 21:39
schestowitzSee the commentsOct 16 21:40
schestowitzwhat's the command to lisy USB device?Oct 16 21:44
schestowitzI can't rememberOct 16 21:44
trmancolsusbOct 16 21:46
schestowitzMS/OOXML developer mocks me: http://twitter.com/aristippus303Oct 16 22:02
schestowitzI guess I'll post it soonOct 16 22:06
schestowitzwallc convinced me that others don't see it as I do.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz---quote---Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz>Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz> I'm glad now that I told you who it was and that you already knew.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz> Thanks for not making me feel like a tattletale.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz>Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz> As for posting the video of your interview, why not give it a permanentOct 16 22:07
schestowitz> wiki page?  Maybe even write a short commentary there.  It's a good wayOct 16 22:07
schestowitz> to keep it as part of the history of BN.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitzI still hate this interview a lot and the mic makes me sound bad (it's a cheapo $5 mic), not just the interrogation that made my accent turn all funny and arguments totally all over the place.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz> By the way, I really do think you should write a book about your yearsOct 16 22:07
schestowitz> with BN.  It wouldn't have to be a long book, but I think people wouldOct 16 22:07
schestowitz> be interested in it.  Maybe even use Lulu for readers that want a hardOct 16 22:07
schestowitz> copy.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz>Oct 16 22:07
schestowitz> I'd even help proofread and do the layout and cover design for you, ifOct 16 22:07
schestowitz> you'd like (it's what I do!).  Just something to think about...Oct 16 22:07
schestowitzJono suggested this to me several times. I told him that time is sometimes better spent making daily bite-sized items, esp. in the Internet age of impatient readers.Oct 16 22:07
schestowitzI really appreciate your cyber-parenthood ;-)Oct 16 22:07
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trmancoEDavid is a guy from linsuxOct 17 00:03
schestowitzI knowOct 17 00:49
schestowitzI promised wallc that I would watch troublemakersOct 17 00:49
schestowitzThey ruin the channelOct 17 00:49
schestowitz"<tdobson> zleap: schestowitz is the one who is interviewed"Oct 17 00:51
schestowitz"<tdobson> zleap: schestowitz is the one who is interviewed"Oct 17 00:51
schestowitzFrom another channel: "<tdobson> schestowitz: http://twit.tv/floss91"Oct 17 00:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCzLVH1n9sYOct 17 01:47
schestowitzThis is also good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FaXD_igv4&feature=relatedOct 17 01:53
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schestowitz"Re: re the Interview"Oct 17 17:23
schestowitzquote>Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> You should have quoted the Haloween Docs when he asked you of samplesOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> of why MS was bad for Open Source. I'll post to his blog on Mon andOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> ask him his interpretation of the following:Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz>Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> "OSS poses a direct, short-term revenue and platform threat toOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> Microsoft, particularly in server space. Additionally, the intrinsicOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> parallelism and free idea exchange in OSS has benefits that are notOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> replicable with our current licensing model and therefore present aOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> long term developer mindshare threat"Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz>Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> "Linux can win as long as services / protocols are commodities."Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz>Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> http://catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.htmlOct 17 17:23
schestowitz>Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> You should have responded with: why would you get into beg with a wolfOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> who has announced he wants to devour you?Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> --Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz>Oct 17 17:23
schestowitz> Audio interviews are bad, you should have done it online, an emailOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> exchange. That way you get to think out your response. Notice festerOct 17 17:23
schestowitz> never lets himself be asked any real hard questions, or even beOct 17 17:24
schestowitz> interviewed by a real Open Source techie. Instead organize a fakeOct 17 17:24
schestowitz> 'open source' event and talk about 'open standards', witth a bunch ofOct 17 17:24
schestowitz> tame techno journalists, like JS ..Oct 17 17:24
schestowitzThey have talking points. It's all staged.Oct 17 17:24
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/26/microsoft-talking-point-memos/Oct 17 17:24
schestowitzBy the way, I was startled by the hostility, so my accent went funny and answers badly constructed. Anyway, no publicity is truly bad publicity.Oct 17 17:24
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/16/boycott-novell-on-twit/Oct 17 17:24
schestowitzLater on, I spoke to jono for about an hour and realise he is hardly worries about Microsoft.Oct 17 17:24
MinceRhttp://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu43/Stikposters/Posters/mashupsholidaymotiv.jpgOct 17 22:54
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schestowitzI saw the hAl ODF trash vanishingOct 17 23:24
fewahe got blockedOct 17 23:26
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:HAlOct 17 23:27
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:HAl_reported_by_User:Scientus_.28Result:_Stale.29Oct 17 23:29
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Scientus_reported_by_User:hAl_.28Result:_no_vio.29Oct 17 23:29
schestowitzWhat took so long?Oct 17 23:36
fewaAdminsOct 17 23:37
fewathis is nonly two weeksOct 17 23:37
fewaso its sure to continueOct 17 23:37
fewawikipedia admins tend to be cluelessOct 17 23:38
fewawell, tend to be idealisticOct 17 23:39
fewadon't see the paternOct 17 23:39
fewapretend that everyone is trying to be constructiveOct 17 23:39
fewaalso, alot of them are lazy and dont do any researchOct 17 23:39
fewathats why HAl blanked his talk pageOct 17 23:39
fewaan admin noticed it and tried to force him not toOct 17 23:40
fewabut then gave upOct 17 23:40
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schestowitzi c....Oct 17 23:43
trmancohttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9uvpk/roy_schestowitz_is_interrogated_on_tv/Oct 18 02:48
schestowitzAh. mostly OK feedbackOct 18 03:18
schestowitzThere's that troll who annoyed them in Reddit over BNOct 18 03:18
schestowitzMade us look bad...Oct 18 03:18
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trmancohttp://ubuntard.com/Oct 18 13:39
schestowitzDOn't feed the troll..Oct 18 13:41
schestowitzIF you visit it, they'll write moreOct 18 13:42
schestowitzSame with the anti-BN sitesOct 18 13:42
schestowitzResist temptation to give them any hits and they'll stop writingOct 18 13:42
schestowitzThere are several anti-BN sites nowOct 18 13:42
schestowitzOne transcribed the BN audiocast and then added loads of references to BN (Thanks for the traffic) with supposed contradictionsOct 18 13:43
trmancoit was posted by a troll named "pencilstate" on a.l.o.uOct 18 13:43
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schestowitzMicrosoft AstroTurf has taken down another advocate.Oct 18 17:02
schestowitz> The trolls got to my wife and I have to take a break from public advocacy.Oct 18 17:02
schestowitz> Google ******** and you will find an Encyclopedia DramaticaOct 18 17:02
schestowitz> article about me.  She worries that this will make it hard for me to find myOct 18 17:02
schestowitz> next job and foolishly thinks that I'll be left alone if I go quiet.  IOct 18 17:02
schestowitz> understand that the trolls will continue to attack me and have more time toOct 18 17:02
schestowitz> do so while they are not busy refuting what I have to say, but the bad guysOct 18 17:02
schestowitz> have won this round.Oct 18 17:02
schestowitz>Oct 18 17:02
schestowitz>Oct 18 17:02
schestowitz> Keep up the good work.  I've been denied the use of "********" but I'm still aOct 18 17:02
schestowitz> reader.Oct 18 17:02
schestowitzThey shot down /most/ people like him. My PHD comes soon (passing), so I may have to move on too.Oct 18 17:02
schestowitzIt's weirdOct 18 17:03
fewaso corruptOct 18 17:03
schestowitzIt's like I don't want to finish my PhD cause then I can carry on more shelteredOct 18 17:03
schestowitzfewa: yes, they bullied this advocateOct 18 17:03
schestowitzThere are more like himOct 18 17:03
schestowitzThey try to bully via bosses and stuffOct 18 17:03
schestowitzThey tried it on me tooOct 18 17:04
schestowitzI vaguely alluded to it when Jono attacked meOct 18 17:04
fewaThugsOct 18 17:04
fewaand that first justice was rightOct 18 17:04
fewaon the anti-trust caseOct 18 17:05
schestowitzI'd carry on thoughOct 18 17:05
schestowitzSCO bullied PJ more than Novell harasses me. They onyl harass me in sites outside BNOct 18 17:06
schestowitzAnonymous comments with smears about me and bullying in TwitterOct 18 17:06
schestowitzMicrosoft had TEs do jobs on meOct 18 17:06
schestowitzAnywya, gotta goOct 18 17:06
fewahttp://verofakto.blogspot.com/Oct 18 17:08
fewathe sold-out O'ReillyOct 18 17:09
fewapouring over everything you sayOct 18 17:09
schestowitzDon't give him hits. It encourages himOct 18 17:10
fewameh, i block google analyticsOct 18 17:11
fewabut yesOct 18 17:17
trmancololOct 18 17:40
trmancohim againOct 18 17:40
trmancowhat did you blabber about?Oct 18 17:41
fewatrmanco, i havn't been fallowing the trollOct 18 17:48
fewaonly looked cause the convo was about thugsOct 18 17:48
fewa*trollsOct 18 17:48
fewaor really noticed much beyond their existanceOct 18 17:48
schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/floss45Oct 18 19:41
schestowitz^KDEOct 18 19:41
schestowitzInterestingOct 18 19:41
fewahas Alex Brown always worked for MSOct 18 19:55
fewahe keeps editing the OOXML articleOct 18 19:55
fewaoe Griffin Brown publishingOct 18 20:16
schestowitzLook it up in BNOct 18 20:23
schestowitzHe worked in a way that's beneficial to themOct 18 20:23
schestowitz2 years ago or less he also moved his blog to WindowsOct 18 20:24
fewaisn't he the one with a writing staff behind him?Oct 18 20:25
schestowitzhere: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/alex-brown-microsoft-bsi-iso/Oct 18 20:25
fewaon the ODF list?Oct 18 20:26
schestowitz"So how do we clean up the BSI and make it non-partisan and actually approve standards on their technical merit, not the economic and political clout of the standard’s sponsors? I’d say the first step is to ditch people like Dr Alex Brown, starting with Dr Alex Brown. I think we should call for his immediate removal from the ISO/BSI committees as he has nailed his colours to the mast. "Oct 18 20:26
schestowitzfewa: that tooOct 18 20:26
schestowitzI have many dozens of posts exposing himOct 18 20:26
schestowitzBack in 2008Oct 18 20:26
schestowitzHe's joining the anti-BN crowdOct 18 20:26
schestowitzIf the Novell/Microsoft trolls mention me then he joins those kidsOct 18 20:26
schestowitzAnd his friend Stocholm alsoOct 18 20:27
schestowitzIt's rather pathetic to see the two of them going so juvenileOct 18 20:27
schestowitz[20:23] <tdobson> ping (sometime you are free)Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:27] <schestowitz> yoOct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:31] <tdobson> just a few quick questions :)Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:31] <tdobson> you're based in manchester right?Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:35] <tdobson> I am involved in manchester free software group (but i cant speak on their behalf) but i do frequently locate speakers for manchester free software (which I then have to get passed by the group).Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:37] <schestowitz> I generally dislike talking :-)Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:37] <schestowitz> jono dragged meOct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:37] <tdobson> i just wondered if you'd be interested about giving a talk about BN at Manchester Free Software at some point. (I'd have to get it passed by the groupOct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:37] <tdobson> ah right :)Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:38] <tdobson> well i thoughtI'd ask anyway:)Oct 18 20:44
schestowitz[20:40] <schestowitz> I'll think about it, for sure :-)Oct 18 20:45
schestowitz[20:41] <tdobson> well there's probably no slots until the new year :)Oct 18 20:45
schestowitz[20:42] <tdobson> but sure, have a think about it.Oct 18 20:45
schestowitz[20:42] <tdobson> no rush, no preassure :)Oct 18 20:45
schestowitz[20:42] <schestowitz> cool, thanks. I appreciate this!Oct 18 20:45
schestowitzOct 18 20:45
schestowitz[20:44] <tdobson> no problem :)Oct 18 20:45
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schestowitzquote->Oct 18 23:33
schestowitzSome EEEPC and wireless observations.Oct 18 23:33
schestowitzEEEPC works out of the box but is almost as much trouble as Windows if want toOct 18 23:33
schestowitzliberate it.  Because Asus has put out lots of models in a very short time,Oct 18 23:33
schestowitznot all of the drivers are in Debian's stock kernel.  Only a dedicated personOct 18 23:33
schestowitzwould go through the Debian Wiki and oddball boot problems to make the thingOct 18 23:33
schestowitzwork with alternate software.Oct 18 23:33
schestowitzOver the last month, I've been trying to make a few USB keys for it.  ThingsOct 18 23:33
schestowitzwent well at first, though wireless required drivers outside of the debianOct 18 23:33
schestowitzstock kernel.  My EEE PC's Debian USB got fried by either suspend to disk orOct 18 23:33
schestowitzxray machine traveling from *** to Tacoma and that is where I ranOct 18 23:33
schestowitzinto some more limitations.  I found fixes but it took me all weekend andOct 18 23:33
schestowitzwould drive normal people right back to Xandros.Oct 18 23:33
schestowitzFirst some good news.  Debian's Lenny installer has KDE and XFCE alternateOct 18 23:33
schestowitzdesktops!  They are buried under "Advanced Options."  The KDE option worksOct 18 23:33
schestowitzwell and installs a nice collection of software in about a 2GB foot print.  IOct 18 23:33
schestowitzgot there trying to make crypto work on a USB Key.Oct 18 23:33
schestowitzI ran into two minor irritations trying to get a crypto USB install thatOct 18 23:33
schestowitzquickly become major for novices.  The first is that EEE PC plays games withOct 18 23:33
schestowitzboot order and this can appear to break the machine.  The second makes cryptoOct 18 23:34
schestowitzinstall more difficult.Oct 18 23:34
schestowitzThe boot order trap means you have to know about grub options if you want toOct 18 23:36
schestowitzinstall to a USB stick yourself.  If you let Debia auto install, itOct 18 23:36
schestowitzoverwrites Xandro's grub in a way that requires scary hardware handling.  ForOct 18 23:36
schestowitzsome odd reason, the EEE BIOS freaks out if it's drive has a grub error.Oct 18 23:36
schestowitzNone of the tricks you used before to get an alternate device boot will work.Oct 18 23:36
schestowitzIt's a brick at this point. The fix is to remove the SSD before booting andOct 18 23:36
schestowitzthen put it back in before you chose external media to rescue the device.  IfOct 18 23:36
schestowitzyou don't make the mistake of overwriting the Xandros grub, you then have toOct 18 23:36
schestowitzmodify your /boot/grub/menu.lst so that it says (hd0,0) because Xandro's biosOct 18 23:36
schestowitzcalls the boot device that regardless of how many devices you plug in.  ThisOct 18 23:36
schestowitzwas so annoying that I finally nuked Xandros.Oct 18 23:36
schestowitzThe second problem has something to do with ACPI again.  EEE PC requiresOct 18 23:36
schestowitza "rootdelay=10" option on boot.  I have not tested it out to know if thatOct 18 23:36
schestowitzworks yet.Oct 18 23:36
schestowitzTo sum things up, my 701SD EEE PC is still a solid performer out of the boxOct 18 23:46
schestowitzbut I would only recommend it to someone who would otherwise buy a WindowsOct 18 23:46
schestowitznetbook.  Two or three years ago, it was close to revolutionary forOct 18 23:46
schestowitzeverything that it provided in such a small and cheap package.  It promptlyOct 18 23:46
schestowitzextinguished OLPC sales in the US and nearly destroyed Microsoft as itOct 18 23:46
schestowitzapproached the $200 price point.  It came with Skype, which now does video,Oct 18 23:46
schestowitzOpen Office and lots of other good software.   I got mine for the $140 CarlaOct 18 23:46
schestowitztalked about.  Xandros still annoys me with it's limitations.  From aOct 18 23:46
schestowitzhardware standpoint, I've been happier with my used Thinkpad X30.  The EEE PCOct 18 23:46
schestowitzfills a portable device niche that the Apple people are finally attackingOct 18 23:46
schestowitzwith Skype on the iPhone.  I still don't think they have a video phone yetOct 18 23:46
schestowitzand I cringe at the cost of data with an ATT device.Oct 18 23:46
schestowitzOn a related note, air travel wifi is all behind a paywall now.  Houston,Oct 18 23:47
schestowitzDallas, *** and Seattle Tacoma were all communication greed zones.Oct 18 23:47
schestowitzEight years ago, you could find free wifi in airports in the US.  Now,Oct 18 23:47
schestowitzeverything is for pay.  You see people with their iPhones and data modems,Oct 18 23:47
schestowitzbut not a lot of computing is going on at the airport anymore.  When IOct 18 23:47
schestowitzcomplained about this to my wife she chided me like a good sheep, "Someone'sOct 18 23:47
schestowitzgot to pay for that."  Indeed, someone does, but someone also needs to payOct 18 23:47
schestowitzfor the lights, bathrooms and jet airplanes too.  Let's hope the airportOct 18 23:47
schestowitzpeople don't turn out the lights or put credit card swipes on the bathroomOct 18 23:47
schestowitzstalls.Oct 18 23:47
schestowitz===Oct 18 23:47
schestowitzFrom a BN reader. Why am I sent this stuff?Oct 18 23:47
trmancowe need to make a paste for thisOct 18 23:47
trmancothis clutters up the whole channel :-POct 18 23:48
schestowitzI knowOct 18 23:50
schestowitzBut pastebins get lost and this is a small channelOct 18 23:50
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trmanconot if you host your own private pasteOct 18 23:53
schestowitzTrueOct 18 23:57
schestowitzI thought about itOct 18 23:57
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schestowitz> Here's a troll,  Andrew Thomas of TG Daily.Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44261/141/Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44234/141/Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> I think you noticed that second one.  The first one kind of shows the guy'sOct 19 10:44
schestowitz> character and level of discourse.Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> Amusingly enough, someone linked their headlines and images aboutOct 19 10:44
schestowitz> the "inevitability" of Windows 7 to a story about the world's biggest crater.Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/140/Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> is the same asOct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/181/Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz>Oct 19 10:44
schestowitz> when it should have been some kind of Vista 7 nonsense.  It's funny but theyOct 19 10:45
schestowitz> exaggerate.  Vista was the big crater.  Microsoft does not have enough moneyOct 19 10:45
schestowitz> to make as much noise over Vista 7 as they did for Vista.  When Microsoft isOct 19 10:45
schestowitz> out of money, that will be the end of the noise from people like Thomas.Oct 19 10:45
schestowitz Emma Woollacott  is OK.Oct 19 10:45
schestowitzThomas is a shill...Oct 19 10:45
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+Andrew+Thomas+++++&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBOct 19 10:45
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trmancohttp://codes.zerial.org/php/wp-trackbacks_dos.phpsOct 19 13:34
trmanconew wordpress vuln on the blockOct 19 13:34
schestowitzDarnOct 19 13:43
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/possible_met_office_cuts/Oct 19 19:34
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/manchester_id_trial/Oct 19 19:36
schestowitzWe seem like a testing ground of the govt these daysOct 19 19:36
schestowitzFirst the airport, now this...Oct 19 19:37
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559002/tories-scrap-broadband-taxOct 19 19:41
trmancoLOLOct 19 22:56
trmancoI'm being cyberbulliedOct 19 22:57
trmancosome nut case is trying to intimidate me ...Oct 19 22:57
schestowitzBecause of Linux?Oct 19 23:00
schestowitzOh just random?Oct 19 23:00
trmanconoOct 19 23:07
trmanconot because of linuxOct 19 23:07
trmancoprivate lifeOct 19 23:07
schestowitzJust ignoreOct 19 23:07
trmancoyeahOct 19 23:08
trmancothat's what someone told me to doOct 19 23:09
trmancomy notifications got borkedOct 19 23:16
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schestowitz> Don't give up, you are doing a great job.  Really, no one else puts to getherOct 20 04:29
schestowitz> more or better free software news and analysis than you do.  You might thinkOct 20 04:29
schestowitz> it's easy to comb through your news feeds and pick out interesting things,Oct 20 04:29
schestowitz> but no one else seems to have the time or energy and no one else is puttingOct 20 04:29
schestowitz> it all together.Oct 20 04:29
schestowitz>Oct 20 04:29
schestowitz> Quitting won't help you either.  Like I told my wife, the bad guys are notOct 20 04:29
schestowitz> going to leave you alone.  My wife was unmoved by that argument but you haveOct 20 04:29
schestowitz> seen what companies like Microsoft do to people who obey them.  The weakerOct 20 04:29
schestowitz> you make yourself, the harder they will screw you.Oct 20 04:29
schestowitz'I was going to say this before; tell your wife that walking away won't make the old stuff vanish. You're in this game, you might as well play it."Oct 20 04:29
schestowitzMore bullying vs advocatesOct 20 04:29
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schestowitzMaybe nominate BN? :-) http://www.fsf.org/news/2009FSAwardsCallOct 20 13:41
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fewahttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&action=historyOct 20 18:26
fewaAll alex brownOct 20 18:26
schestowitzWill do a postOct 20 18:46
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&action=historyOct 20 18:55
fewause that linkOct 20 18:55
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/20/ooxml-brm-convenor-wikipedia/Oct 20 19:17
schestowitz"Oct 20 21:55
schestowitzHowdy,Oct 20 21:55
schestowitzI just wanted to let you know what Alex Brown appears to have done from those wiki edits (as far as I can go on the first page).Oct 20 21:55
schestowitzAll the criticism is magically gone. "whoops".Oct 20 21:55
schestowitz"Oct 20 21:55
schestowitzSOmone whom I don't know mailed me about it...Oct 20 22:04
schestowitzI hope more people notice and see for themselves given the linkOct 20 22:04
schestowitzAnother person mailed in..Oct 20 22:05
schestowitz"Oct 20 22:05
schestowitzIt was a pleasure to tell jono off.  His little ambush infuriated me and IOct 20 22:05
schestowitzwill probably regret some of the things I said but I'm sure I have not toldOct 20 22:05
schestowitzhim enough.  His warm invitation to share your thoughts on how you areOct 20 22:05
schestowitzharming free software by leading a pack of assholes to spam the web areOct 20 22:05
schestowitztransparently malicious to one of the people he accused of spamming.  I wouldOct 20 22:05
schestowitzhave done better to wait a little and calm down but I wanted it loggedOct 20 22:05
schestowitzpublically and I did not know how long he'd hang out on the BN channel.  I'mOct 20 22:05
schestowitzglad I caught him and gave him a piece of my mind.  This was worth violatingOct 20 22:05
schestowitzmy promise to my wife to lay off public advocacy.Oct 20 22:05
schestowitzHas anyone else come to your defense, ThistleWeb perhaps?  I'd like to seeOct 20 22:05
schestowitzlinks to those, if you have them and I'll be surprised if no one else hasOct 20 22:06
schestowitzbothered.  Then again, few people bother to say nice things publically aboutOct 20 22:06
schestowitzRMS, PJ and others that trolls like JPerlow are busy slamming in IRC.Oct 20 22:06
schestowitzYou should be proud that so many high powered trolls have been assigned toOct 20 22:06
schestowitzshut you up.  jono should be ashamed to be manipulated by them or to be oneOct 20 22:06
schestowitzof them.Oct 20 22:06
schestowitz"Oct 20 22:06
schestowitzHe shouldn't have been rude like thatOct 20 22:06
schestowitzHe made us look badOct 20 22:06
fewait wasn't me that was rude?Oct 20 22:08
fewahttp://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/19/headlinesOct 20 22:13
fewaGo to 10:15Oct 20 22:13
schestowitz"Oct 20 22:13
schestowitzHind sight is always but here are a few pointers for the next TV interview.Oct 20 22:14
schestowitzI'm sure they will come and you will be better prepared.Oct 20 22:14
schestowitz1.  Be Prepared!  Make the talking points and use them, TV is all about soundOct 20 22:14
schestowitzbites.  Refine and practice them.  My favorite example is Molgen tongueOct 20 22:14
schestowitzlashing O'Riely.  You don't have time to explain things on TV, you can onlyOct 20 22:14
schestowitzpresent your conclusions.  The Widipedia article on Richard Nixon's CheckersOct 20 22:14
schestowitzspeech has some good tips on preparing for a TV presentation.   On TV youOct 20 22:14
schestowitzneed to steer everything to what's on your mind.   If you practice your soundOct 20 22:14
schestowitzbites, you will naturally respond to negative questions with the rightOct 20 22:14
schestowitzanswers.  On paper it can look evasive, on TV few people notice and then theyOct 20 22:14
schestowitzforget as you move the discussion on to where you want it.Oct 20 22:14
schestowitz2.  Know what you are doing and stick to it.   I do what I do because I loveOct 20 22:14
schestowitzsoftware freedom and resent Microsoft's attempt to tax it.  I suspect yourOct 20 22:14
schestowitzmotives are similar.  It's a lot easier to tell people what you do than it isOct 20 22:14
schestowitzto justify your existence.  Justifying your existence is sort of like tryingOct 20 22:14
schestowitzto prove the color red.  You might as well stick to facts.Oct 20 22:14
schestowitz3.  I think you realized this but don't repudiate your fans.  You were set upOct 20 22:14
schestowitzfor that by Lefty.   It would be better to say things like, "Lots of peopleOct 20 22:14
schestowitzcome to troll BN, several of them have turned out to be paid MicrosoftOct 20 22:14
schestowitzrepresentatives.  I can't tell you about all of them because one of them hasOct 20 22:14
schestowitzthreatened to sue me and UK libel laws give them a lot of power to do justOct 20 22:14
schestowitzthat."  When pressed you should talk about all the good news and tips thatOct 20 22:14
schestowitzflow in through IRC and how it needs to be kept open, how you never censor,Oct 20 22:14
schestowitzetc, etc.  Never agree with blanket negative statements about particularsOct 20 22:15
schestowitzbecause they will then be used to characterize the whole.Oct 20 22:15
schestowitzWell, that's all the time I have today.  Keep up the good work!Oct 20 22:15
schestowitz"Oct 20 22:15
schestowitzfewa: no, not you who was rudeOct 20 22:15
fewaguess i left b/f thatOct 20 22:15
schestowitzfewa: does DN run on donations and store?Oct 20 22:15
fewayeahOct 20 22:15
schestowitzI need to figure out how I can carry on running BNOct 20 22:15
fewaalso a few grantsOct 20 22:15
schestowitzThat's what I thoughtOct 20 22:15
schestowitzLike CMDOct 20 22:16
fewaFord Foundation $150,000Oct 20 22:16
fewabut they wont touch the cess poll of CPB, aba PBS, NPROct 20 22:16
fewaand other amorphous shitOct 20 22:16
fewaCorporation for Public BroadcastingOct 20 22:16
fewaNPR is a thinly veiled pretend liberal show that recants state dept. talking pointsOct 20 22:17
fewaand people fall for itOct 20 22:17
fewahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPROct 20 22:18
schestowitzI liked NPROct 20 22:20
fewaI just saw the connectionsOct 20 22:27
fewalike how they reported the presidential race completely devoid of factsOct 20 22:28
fewaand how they covered the MagLev and rail issuesOct 20 22:28
fewaafter watching a chomsky speech where i got a more straight pictureOct 20 22:28
fewaand how whenever i tune in they are talking about another non-issueOct 20 22:28
fewaor their biased coverage of the health care stuffOct 20 22:29
schestowitzQuestion:Oct 20 22:30
schestowitzI don't come across many attacks on CHomskyOct 20 22:30
fewaan attack only supports someoneOct 20 22:30
schestowitzAm I just not seeing this, or does he manage to avoid attacks?Oct 20 22:30
fewait mentions themOct 20 22:30
schestowitzI know.Oct 20 22:30
fewaNPR didn't mention himOct 20 22:30
fewait just undermined himOct 20 22:30
schestowitzI spoke about this at the gym an hour agoOct 20 22:30
schestowitzNice girl :-)Oct 20 22:30
fewayou cant attack someone who is rightOct 20 22:31
schestowitzThey always get a kick out of stories of libel about meOct 20 22:31
fewaregardlessOct 20 22:31
fewathats always the last step till losingOct 20 22:31
schestowitzThe libel too can be used by me to show how illegitimate the critics areOct 20 22:31
fewayesOct 20 22:31
schestowitzSo it has the opposite effectOct 20 22:31
schestowitzI warned jono inadvanceOct 20 22:31
schestowitzBefore the interviewOct 20 22:31
fewathats why those that libel have to be low keyOct 20 22:31
schestowitzThat he need to check carefully the factsOct 20 22:32
schestowitzWhich he didn't quite doOct 20 22:32
fewaand disconnected from their mastersOct 20 22:32
fewathe administration is pretending that it will fund light rail, so that independant development doesn't happenOct 20 22:32
fewait has no actual intention of acting outOct 20 22:32
fewathat was the state line that NPR was pushingOct 20 22:32
fewabasically vapor wareOct 20 22:33
fewacause alot of states are  moving to create light rail projectsOct 20 22:33
fewabut yeah, if you can use libel to gain attention that is goodOct 20 22:34
schestowitzRather to suppress other liesOct 20 22:36
schestowitzIf they poison their pool/wellOct 20 22:37
schestowitzExample:Oct 20 22:37
schestowitzGroklaw is SCARED of being poisoned with fake Comes exhibitOct 20 22:37
schestowitzThat would illegitimise the whole LOTOct 20 22:37
fewayes, its possible to read what they do and use it to your advantageOct 20 22:37
fewahow were they gotten?Oct 20 22:43
schestowitzCOmes?Oct 20 22:44
fewayesOct 20 22:45
fewaleakedOct 20 22:45
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/26/microsoft_archive_goes_torrent/Oct 20 22:45
schestowitzGrouchy from GroklawOct 20 22:45
schestowitzHe downloaded it all over _modem_Oct 20 22:45
schestowitzI still have thousands to go through with wallclimberOct 20 22:45
fewatorrent link?Oct 20 22:50
schestowitzNot sure it exists anymoreOct 20 23:08
schestowitzBut many Web mirrors existOct 20 23:08
schestowitz4 at leastOct 20 23:09
fewawget --mirrorOct 20 23:09
schestowitzantitrust.slated.orgOct 20 23:11
schestowitzSlated from #bnOct 20 23:11
trmancoI tried mirroring some website to my computer with all those antitrust files but it didn't do the job as it was suppose toOct 20 23:11
trmancoI used wgetOct 20 23:12
schestowitzhttp://antitrust.slated.org/halloween/index.htmlOct 20 23:12
schestowitzWow. High PageRankOct 20 23:12
schestowitzFor a mirror..Oct 20 23:12
fewathey do libel chomsky and stuffOct 20 23:26
fewabut its hard without talking about issuesOct 20 23:27
schestowitzOr fake himOct 20 23:27
schestowitzbalzac said soOct 20 23:27
fewawhich they cant dare discussOct 20 23:27
schestowitzI had people impersonate me tooOct 20 23:27
schestowitzSo now I tell people not to believe stuff w/ my name on itOct 20 23:27
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/Oct 20 23:28
schestowitzChomsky answers mailOct 20 23:28
schestowitzRMS alsoOct 20 23:28
fewayeah i emailed RMSOct 20 23:28
schestowitzBut they get baited by the likes of that anti-RMS 'sexism' thingOct 20 23:28
fewameh, i dont think it worksOct 20 23:28
fewaunless he bakes downOct 20 23:28
schestowitzThey can turn their e-mail responses to posts or book chaptersOct 20 23:28
fewalike GraysonOct 20 23:29
fewahalf of the media/establishment is intimidation of high level peopleOct 20 23:31
fewathe other half propagandaOct 20 23:31
schestowitzLinus tooOct 20 23:40
schestowitzNot TorvaldsOct 20 23:40
schestowitzPaulingOct 20 23:40
schestowitzThey were gonna put him in prisonOct 20 23:40
schestowitzHe got a list of 11k scientist to sign s/t against nuclear tests in the atmosphereOct 20 23:41
fewaanyone who dares stand up against the agressionOct 20 23:41
schestowitzThe McCarthy bullies demanded that he divulge names of those who helped himOct 20 23:41
schestowitzHe was arrested a few timesOct 20 23:41
schestowitzGot a peace Nobel prizeOct 20 23:41
schestowitzHis second such prizeOct 20 23:41
schestowitzChomsky got arrested tooOct 20 23:41
schestowitzThey give him ammoOct 20 23:42
schestowitzHe then uses it vs themOct 20 23:42
schestowitzhttp://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en-GB&q=youtube+linux&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=YzzeSpibAZOr4Qalz_wT&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CB4QqwQwAw#q=linus+pauling&hl=en-GB&emb=0Oct 20 23:42
schestowitzNice chapOct 20 23:42
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_PaulingOct 20 23:43
fewaanother great chap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_FeuersteinOct 20 23:54
fewacan we keep mutex banned?Oct 21 09:49
fewamutxOct 21 09:49
schestowitzI think notOct 21 09:57
schestowitzHe'd come back anyhow, under different namesOct 21 09:57
fewai guessOct 21 09:58
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fewahttp://english.aljazeera.net/aboutus/2008/10/20081024214239215281.htmlOct 21 11:37
fewaWhat is the American image abroad?Oct 21 11:37
schestowitzYesOct 21 11:43
schestowitzI see it all the timeOct 21 11:43
schestowitzAnd I need to tell people, "it's not Americans, it's the scam who is running them"Oct 21 11:43
schestowitzPopulation != those who make foreign policyOct 21 11:43
schestowitzThe issues is that there's consent through brainwashOct 21 11:43
schestowitzSo they are taught to accept and defend these atrocious policiesOct 21 11:44
fewathat coverage is greatOct 21 11:46
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0Oct 21 11:47
fewaI cant find the official on this: http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/powell_mccain_gifted_orthodox.phpOct 21 11:51
fewabut jazeera reported itOct 21 11:51
fewa"It troubled me. Those kind of images going out on Al-Jazeera are killing us around the world."Oct 21 11:51
fewaColin Powell has asked the emir of qatar to shut down AL-JazeeraOct 21 11:52
fewaback in bush yearsOct 21 11:54
fewa2001Oct 21 11:54
fewaPeople who travel have told me its easier to have a pretense that you are from CanadaOct 21 11:56
fewainstead of the USOct 21 11:56
fewaCSPAN 2 is covering british parlimentOct 21 12:02
fewado you have any real bank regulation there either?Oct 21 12:15
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trmanco"Oct 21 15:15
trmancoRemember Monty's just been nominated on the board of the CodeplexOct 21 15:15
trmancofoundation. MS wants MySQL for itself, or it wants the deal dead."Oct 21 15:15
trmancoschestowitz: update wordpressOct 21 15:19
schestowitzyes, updated all blogsOct 21 15:23
schestowitzMonty protects mysqlOct 21 15:24
schestowitzHis babyOct 21 15:24
schestowitzBeen like this since the startOct 21 15:24
schestowitzmariadbOct 21 15:24
schestowitzWhere does the above speculation come from?\Oct 21 15:24
schestowitzI guess rms is also with ms then :-)Oct 21 15:25
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/innovationNews/idUSTRE59J2QM20091020Oct 21 15:25
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fewaand at 1:30:00 with my senatorOct 21 23:41
fewainterestingOct 21 23:41
fewagreat that he is doing thatOct 21 23:42
fewaBuffetOct 21 23:42
schestowitzYuck.Oct 22 00:34
schestowitzHe sickens meOct 22 00:34
schestowitzHim and his tax-evading buddyOct 22 00:35
schestowitzAnd I heard bad things about how he buys bad businesses to build his empireOct 22 00:35
fewahe does have quite an empireOct 22 00:38
fewabased on leveraging insurance moneyOct 22 00:38
fewaie other peoples moneyOct 22 00:38
schestowitzMoney is made only at someone's expense (labour, means)Oct 22 00:44
schestowitzBUT...Oct 22 00:44
schestowitzYou'll be liked if those whom you exploit are NOT in your home countryOct 22 00:45
schestowitz"Us" vs "Them"Oct 22 00:45
fewahow about the only people that gain are those that labour?Oct 22 00:48
fewawhy cant we just have that?Oct 22 00:48
fewainstead of all this bullshitOct 22 00:48
*schestowitz looks for vidOct 22 00:57
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vceIV4Arpmg&feature=relatedOct 22 00:57
schestowitzshort story (lesson I picked up): there are two types og jobsOct 22 00:58
schestowitz1) moving things around; 2) instructing others to do soOct 22 00:58
fewais that a computer speaker?Oct 22 01:00
fewaor a personOct 22 01:00
fewahe referred to Say's lawOct 22 01:05
fewa"The war showed conclusively that, by the scientific organization of production, it is possible to keep modern populations in fair comfort on a small part of the working capacity of the modern world."Oct 22 01:15
fewaand that was WW1Oct 22 01:15
fewaWW2 did that to a added level unseenOct 22 01:15
fewaat least in the US where it was not subsequentally destroyedOct 22 01:15
fewawhy the neo-liberals are so evilOct 22 01:16
fewathey seek to destroy organizationOct 22 01:16
fewadestroy productionOct 22 01:17
fewacreate subservianceOct 22 01:17
fewa"If, at the end of the war, the scientific organization, which had been created in order to liberate men for fighting and munition work, had been preserved, and the hours of the week had been cut down to four, all would have been well. Instead of that the old chaos was restored, those whose work was demanded were made to work long hours, and the rest were left to starve as unemployed. Why? Because work is a duty, and a man should not receiveOct 22 01:17
fewawages in proportion to what he has produced, but in proportion to his virtue as exemplified by his industry."Oct 22 01:17
fewawhy social programs are so importantOct 22 01:17
fewaThis sort of thing has been so full washed out of conscienceOct 22 01:18
fewaany whay?Oct 22 01:18
fewabecause it doesn't serve the short-term interests of the intellectualsOct 22 01:18
fewabut instead the middle classOct 22 01:18
fewathey want intellectualism to by an elite phenonomonOct 22 01:19
fewathis is the real battle of our timesOct 22 01:20
fewaHP drops linux netbook in run up to vista 7 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do?storeName=computer_store&landing=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mini&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/lateralnav_mini_notebooksOct 22 01:55
schestowitzUSOct 22 02:06
schestowitzMicrosoftlandOct 22 02:06
schestowitzDifferent in EU (continental)Oct 22 02:06
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schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8317644.stmOct 22 11:20
fewadoesn't mention the upcoming US supreme court caseOct 22 11:22
fewaon the uighursOct 22 11:22
fewaheld at guantanamoOct 22 11:23
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MinceRschestowitz: lefty's backOct 22 22:37
fewayepOct 22 22:38
MinceRtrmanco: ^Oct 22 22:39
trmancoI'll give you opOct 22 22:40
trmancoI hate to banOct 22 22:40
trmancoMinceR: or fewaOct 22 22:40
MinceRokOct 22 22:40
fewaThe Democrats on the senate are  picking up weiner argumentsOct 22 23:03
fewa!!!!Oct 22 23:03
schestowitzMeh.Oct 22 23:04
fewathey tend to parrot what is told themOct 22 23:05
fewawithout much researchOct 22 23:05
fewathats why I think they need their own research staffsOct 22 23:05
MinceRwiener arguments!Oct 22 23:05
MinceR"mine is bigger"Oct 22 23:06
fewaAnthony WeinerOct 22 23:06
fewalolOct 22 23:06
fewahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_6s4RVUkA4Oct 22 23:06
*schestowitz bookmarksOct 22 23:10
fewameh its kinda oldOct 22 23:10
fewabut hits key points of health careOct 22 23:10
schestowitzAussie atheists knocked offline http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/australia_hack_attack/Oct 22 23:24
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*Now talking on #boycottnovell-socialOct 24 01:20
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged]Oct 24 01:20
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009Oct 24 01:20
*#boycottnovell-social :[freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelpOct 24 01:20
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fewaoooo bachmann is on cspanOct 24 05:00
fewathe crazyOct 24 05:00
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fewakick mutxxOct 24 10:50
schestowitzDissenting viewOct 24 10:55
schestowitzI'd rather ignoreOct 24 10:55
fewamehOct 24 11:01
trmancoMinceR: you there?Oct 24 14:57
trmancoor fewaOct 24 14:57
trmancoban the guyOct 24 14:57
fewai dont have opOct 24 14:59
fewaat least i dont think i doOct 24 14:59
trmancothere you goOct 24 14:59
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schestowitzmutex is sitting on our veinsOct 24 15:20
schestowitzHe can't be driven awayOct 24 15:20
fewawhy ive believed he is payedOct 24 15:20
fewawhy ive believed he is payedOct 24 15:21
schestowitzBy whom? In AU?Oct 24 15:22
schestowitzCould be a Microsoft partnerOct 24 15:23
schestowitzVested interestsOct 24 15:23
fewaidkOct 24 15:23
fewajust seems wierd someone would be so insistantOct 24 15:23
fewaand even consistantOct 24 15:23
fewaanyways that kinda besides the pointOct 24 15:25
schestowitzHe sits there reading allOct 24 15:27
schestowitzTrying to find chances to attackOct 24 15:27
schestowitz'moderate'Oct 24 15:27
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schestowitzfrom mail:Oct 25 01:54
schestowitz"Oct 25 01:54
schestowitzMeet Chris, who claims to manipulate internal Microsoft presentations as aOct 25 01:54
schestowitzcontractor.  He says that he takes internal speeches by various subjectOct 25 01:54
schestowitzmatter experts and makes them into streaming presentations that match theOct 25 01:54
schestowitztalking head with his Power Point slides.  His story is attractive andOct 25 01:54
schestowitzplausible enough but I'm not sure I can or should use him as a source ofOct 25 01:54
schestowitzinformation.Oct 25 01:54
schestowitzMy meeting Chris was random enough but there were several alarming things.Oct 25 01:54
schestowitzWhen I first met him he said he was a video producer.  It was only later thatOct 25 01:54
schestowitzhe told me about his day job at Microsoft.  I met him in a coffee shop whileOct 25 01:54
schestowitzchatting with a person who walked in with a nice big video camera.Oct 25 01:54
schestowitzConversation was innocent enough and I offered them help with free softwareOct 25 01:54
schestowitzif they wanted it.  It strains credulity to think that all four of the peopleOct 25 01:54
schestowitzI was chatting with were in cahoots with Microsoft, but they need not be.  HeOct 25 01:54
schestowitzinvited me and his neighbor downtown to spraypaint and skateboard in AntiquesOct 25 01:54
schestowitzRow.  He and his neighbor live in some really squalid apartment, so whateverOct 25 01:54
schestowitzhe's doing for Microsoft does not pay well.  The most suspicious part of theOct 25 01:54
schestowitzencounter is that it is good to be true.  The real Microsoft insideOct 25 01:54
schestowitzinformation just fell out of the sky into my lap?  I don't believe it.Oct 25 01:54
schestowitzWhile I'd love to pump the guy for innformation, I'm afraid it would be badOct 25 01:54
schestowitzfor both of us.  First, Microsoft lies to it's own employees.  The videosOct 25 01:54
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fewayepOct 25 01:56
fewayou dont have a paste buffer in your irc client to deal with that?Oct 25 01:56
schestowitzI'll keep it in mind for nowOct 25 01:56
schestowitzNice..Oct 25 10:24
schestowitz"Oct 25 10:24
schestowitzThe "Comes vs MS px04275 pdf", as text (gedit), is attached.Oct 25 10:24
schestowitzThis one had "walls of text" on many of the pages.  I had to add spaces in some of the blocks of text just to be able to visually keep my place.Oct 25 10:24
schestowitzI didn't recreate any of their bullets either, where ever there's a bullet in the original, I just used a dash (MSWord bullets, blechh...  :)Oct 25 10:24
schestowitzAnyway, you'll likely have to fix the formatting, but I left the spaces because they might help you proof read it.  Otherwise it'll make your eyes cross.Oct 25 10:24
schestowitz"Oct 25 10:24
schestowitzThere are also graphics attached.  I had to laugh, every program I opened them in to check the size, showed a different pixel width.  I didn't know which one to trust, so I just did the best I could with it.  Hope they work okay.Oct 25 10:25
schestowitzI did my very best to check for typos in the graphics, I hope there are none, but please let me know if you find any.  It's not hard to fix them.Oct 25 10:25
schestowitzAlso, it just occurred to me that there should be a disclaimer next to the graphics, or somewhere close by. [...] If you have problems with any of the attachments, please let me know and I'll fix 'em and send 'em again. "Oct 25 10:25
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fewathere was tons of hype in yahoo answersOct 25 16:25
fewawhich looked ligitimateOct 25 16:26
fewayahoo answers seems to be young and not-so-yound lay-peopleOct 25 16:26
fewanot so good w/ computersOct 25 16:26
MinceRtrmanco: now i amOct 25 19:49
schestowitzam what?Oct 25 19:50
schestowitztrmanco been away all dayOct 25 19:51
schestowitzHe has been hanging out with the COOL kids :-)Oct 25 19:51
schestowitzmeh. http://www.technewsworld.com/story/68444.htmlOct 25 19:54
MinceRhereOct 25 19:58
schestowitzOhOct 25 19:59
schestowitz[14:57] <trmanco> MinceR: you there?Oct 25 19:59
schestowitzVery, very old messageOct 25 19:59
MinceRindeedOct 25 19:59
MinceRi've been away for the weekendOct 25 19:59
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=109045Oct 25 19:59
schestowitzlatvia moves to FOSS/ODFOct 25 20:00
MinceRlulzOct 25 20:00
schestowitzAbsurdistan -- noOct 25 20:00
MinceR<ballmer> give us moar money!!! MOAR!!! <bulgaria> sry, we're all out of cash, lolOct 25 20:00
schestowitzYou worked the weekend.. working for the man (Steve)Oct 25 20:00
MinceRdon't expect absurdistan to change for the betterOct 25 20:00
schestowitzas much as I ridicule the UK, I'm proud of it, stillOct 25 20:03
schestowitzBut it's with the bad guys, the oppressorOct 25 20:03
schestowitzAt least I'm not in denial about itOct 25 20:04
MinceRi could try banning by username, but he can evade thatOct 25 21:46
MinceRalso, he can query the banlist even if he isn't on the channelOct 25 21:46
schestowitzHe can always find some wayOct 25 21:46
schestowitzOr open proxyOct 25 21:46
schestowitzYou can onyl ever inconvenience himOct 25 21:46
schestowitzInvite-only would be bad for longer than a short while. Regulars denied and insultedOct 25 21:47
MinceRand we could ban those proxiesOct 25 21:50
MinceRdoesn't the ircd check for open proxy on connect?Oct 25 21:50
schestowitzI really don't know. Maybe.Oct 25 21:50
schestowitzDavid Miliband tipped as EU foreign minister http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/22/david-miliband-europe-foreign-ministerOct 25 22:07
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oiaohmOk why is boycottnovell invite only ?Oct 25 22:41
oiaohmAm I in trouble?Oct 25 22:42
schestowitzNopeOct 25 22:42
schestowitzMutex trollingOct 25 22:42
schestowitzTry nowOct 25 22:42
MinceRi don't think that banning hex ips gets us anywhere nowOct 25 22:47
MinceRmaybe he's using open proxies to access web gatewaysOct 25 22:47
MinceRimo we should just ban the web gateway for nowOct 25 22:47
MinceRtemporarilyOct 25 22:47
schestowitzOKOct 25 22:48
trmancoI'm backOct 25 22:58
schestowitzHey, sent off the botOct 25 22:58
schestowitzI'm about to post news :-)Oct 25 22:58
trmancookOct 25 22:58
schestowitz"See the IRC log. mutex messed up the channel, so we temporarily blocked the Web UI access. Try again now, I'd explain what happened."Oct 26 01:45
schestowitzSee what he does?Oct 26 01:45
schestowitzNow legitimate people are being told they're bannedOct 26 01:45
schestowitzBecause of stupid trollsOct 26 01:45
fewakind of a passing remarks lessig said that there should be some way to figure out who people are on the internetOct 26 01:49
fewabut do it in a way that doesn't create mass survillenceOct 26 01:50
fewaseems like something hardOct 26 01:50
fewaunless you have mass encryptOct 26 01:50
fewarework all the protocolsOct 26 01:50
fewaidk, osunds like a pipedreamOct 26 01:52
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MinceRfigure out who people are, without breaking anonymity? :>Oct 26 06:36
fewalike a licence plate, but betterOct 26 06:36
fewahere is where he says it: http://blip.tv/file/2016591Oct 26 06:37
MinceRone thing we could do is persuade regulars to register and in the case of attack only allow registered and identified users to join (iirc that's channel mode +R)Oct 26 06:37
fewadoesn't go into much detailOct 26 06:37
MinceRthen we can ban individuals by nickserv accountOct 26 06:38
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schestowitzjust got this via mail:Oct 26 20:16
schestowitz> > [XXXXXX]Oct 26 20:16
schestowitz> > I suspect that M$ had a friend inside my ISP and that they watched my trafficOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > closely.  I'm sure that [XXXXXX] had a text filter on my outbound email and IOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > published the fact.Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> >Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > h[XXXXXX]Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> >Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > I also know that [XXXXXX]'s outbound mail filter harmed my job search as itOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > tightened up to the point of blocking all of my outbound mail for weeks.Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > Finally, I know that Cox responded to M$ requests to block ports for allOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > users soon after [XXXXXX] took over the wide open @Home network.Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> >Oct 26 20:17
fewafreenode doesn't do sslOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > [XXXXXX]Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> >Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > [XXXXXX]Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> >Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > My Vista efforts don't matter so much anymore.  The mainstream press noticedOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > long ago that Vista was a pig and now they are turning on Windows 7.  I'mOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > glad that BN is providing an irrefutable reality check.  The reality of M$Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > software is always worse than I can imagine it, and I've got a well informedOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > imagination.  Free software will take over the gap that Vista has left andOct 26 20:17
schestowitz> > people may gain their software freedom.Oct 26 20:17
schestowitz> >Oct 26 20:17
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schestowitzSome people won't use IRC due to privacy thoughOct 26 20:18
fewa*TLSOct 26 20:18
schestowitzYeahOct 26 20:19
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MinceRif mutex is here, why don't we kickban him?Oct 26 23:11
schestowitzI just didOct 26 23:13
MinceR:)Oct 26 23:13
MinceRi didn't dare just do it myselfOct 26 23:13
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schestowitz> Here's plex0 2846 pdf as text.  Yesterday was full of distractionsOct 27 18:27
schestowitz> around here (typical Monday madness), so please proof this oneOct 27 18:27
schestowitz> carefully.  There could still be some OCR typos in it. The gedit file isOct 27 18:27
schestowitz> attached.Oct 27 18:27
schestowitz>Oct 27 18:27
schestowitz> Must run now, but will check into IRC for a second and let you know thisOct 27 18:28
schestowitz> is here.Oct 27 18:28
schestowitzThanks a LOT! Last exhibit got thousands of readers (but it's _long term_ that many people access it and use it for legal purposes, as they have before).Oct 27 18:28
schestowitzCOmes stuff pays off :-)Oct 27 18:28
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MinceRhttp://cheeseorfont.mogrify.org/Oct 28 08:08
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fewawhats out of date with the criticism?Oct 28 20:48
fewaODF 1.2 fixes the majority of those wishlist bugsOct 28 20:49
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fewaI should just give up, Daemon never listensOct 30 03:51
fewawhere did "twitter" go?Oct 30 04:39
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schestowitzTeamwork :-)Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:23] <otro_viajero7> I ll do it the best I canOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:24] <schestowitz> ThanksOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:51] <otro_viajero7> http://pastebin.org/49660Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:52] <otro_viajero7> well there it is ;)Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:52] <schestowitz> Excellent!!Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:52] <schestowitz> Who should I attribute this translation to?Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:52] <otro_viajero7> David Alberto OssoOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:53] <otro_viajero7> and one favourOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:54] <otro_viajero7> could you please give some opinion about this open source project that I am doing:Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:54] <otro_viajero7> http://sourceforge.net/projects/daoreprconsola/Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:55] <schestowitz> SureOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:55] <otro_viajero7> take into account that I am doing it in my free time :pOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:55] <schestowitz> I can link to it alsoOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:56] <schestowitz> Do you want me to test it?Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:56] <otro_viajero7> yes you can thanks man :)Oct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:56] <schestowitz> Will doOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:56] <otro_viajero7> it is in alpha stageOct 31 01:07
schestowitz[00:57] <otro_viajero7> it should work but if don t well don t blame me hehOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[00:59] <schestowitz> roy@roy:~/Desktop/v0015$ makeOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[00:59] <schestowitz> gcc -o DAOREPRCONSOLA Buscar.c ReprConsola.c -g -O2 -I /usr/local/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -static -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-rpath,usr/local/lib -lSDL_mixer -lmad -lSDL -ldl -lm -lpthreadOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[...]Oct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:00] <otro_viajero7> well the thing is that you need the SDL libraries but anyway see it in the home page the interfaceOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:00] <otro_viajero7> that will give you an Idea of how it isOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:00] <schestowitz> I'll tryOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:02] <otro_viajero7> thanks a lot for your help ;)Oct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:02] <schestowitz> Thank YOUOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:04] <schestowitz> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/30/free-software-italian-survey/ Survey in Italy: OpenOffice.org Usage in 50% of Companies, GNU/Linux at 63%Oct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:06] <otro_viajero7> thanks man that will do ;)Oct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:06] <schestowitz> will try your program on SundayOct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:07] <otro_viajero7> ok no problem ;)Oct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:11] <otro_viajero7> I will bookmark your page it is interesting indeed, well see you another time Roy if you want to stay in touch do not doubt to mail me.Oct 31 01:18
schestowitz[01:17] <schestowitz> Cool, thanks a LOTOct 31 01:18
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schestowitzHmmmmmm......Oct 31 10:17
schestowitz<tip for publishing but not for direct quote because I am havingOct 31 10:17
schestowitzargument elsewhere>Oct 31 10:17
schestowitzMicrosoft's Novell Linux, Suse, apparently picked up some MicrosoftOct 31 10:17
schestowitzstyle bootloader problems.  At least Suse 11 seems to destroy theOct 31 10:17
schestowitzexisting bootloader and, thus not co-exist with other distros that wereOct 31 10:17
schestowitzalready there.  In otherwords, it behaves like Windows in that regard.Oct 31 10:17
schestowitzSee alsoOct 31 10:17
schestowitz"He Who Controls the Bootloader" by Scott Hacker (sp?)Oct 31 10:17
schestowitz</>Oct 31 10:17
MinceRhttp://m.blog.hu/at/attilag78/image/R80_SA_Pretoria_Rosslyn.jpgOct 31 23:27
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559635/chrome-mac-slowOct 31 23:34
schestowitzMinceR: i spent 1 minute trying to find obscene patternOct 31 23:34
schestowitzAny help?Oct 31 23:34
MinceRno obscene pattern, just a really stupid way to do a right turn :>Oct 31 23:34
schestowitzI was expecting something like geographic genitaliaOct 31 23:34
MinceR:)Oct 31 23:35
schestowitzI guess I didn't look at the right detailsOct 31 23:35
schestowitzOr the swastika building in CaliOct 31 23:35
schestowitzGovernor Ubemensch must love itOct 31 23:35
schestowitzhttp://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/4005Oct 31 23:36
schestowitzhttp://www.switched.com/2007/09/26/google-earth-uncovers-swastika-shaped-government-building/Oct 31 23:36
schestowitzhttp://www.arnoldexposed.com/Oct 31 23:36
schestowitz"Oct 31 23:36
schestowitzThe son of an SS nazi officer,Oct 31 23:36
schestowitzSchwarzenegger has publicly stated thatOct 31 23:36
schestowitzhe has dreamed of being a dictator and that heOct 31 23:36
schestowitzadmires Hitler. He campaigned for war criminalOct 31 23:36
schestowitzKurt Waldhiem after it had been made public that heOct 31 23:36
schestowitzwas a top nazi.Oct 31 23:36
schestowitzThe stories of Arnold's barbaric harrassment of women areOct 31 23:36
schestowitzlegendary. He publicly admits to steroid and marijuana use.Oct 31 23:36
schestowitzHe supported Enron chief, Ken Lay during the California energyOct 31 23:37
schestowitzcrisis and now his political operatives have launched a blitzkriegOct 31 23:37
schestowitzpromoting him for President and seeking to end the ConstitutionalOct 31 23:37
schestowitzbar against him holding that office.Oct 31 23:37
schestowitz"Oct 31 23:37

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