| fewa | schestowitz, that building was far before Schwarzenegger | Nov 01 05:28 |
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| fewa | its from WW2 | Nov 01 05:28 |
| fewa | or after | Nov 01 05:29 |
| fewa | and war clearly purposful | Nov 01 05:29 |
| fewa | as it has two bombers going after the swastica | Nov 01 05:29 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: I can imagine. I was joking there | Nov 01 10:11 |
| fewa | but there is alot of misinformation about that building | Nov 01 10:11 |
| fewa | if you look at the surrouding buildings that look like bombers | Nov 01 10:12 |
| fewa | its clear that it was purposful | Nov 01 10:12 |
| fewa | and a "patriotic" show | Nov 01 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | This is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4y0EUlU-Y&NR=1 | Nov 01 16:24 |
| fewa | I havn't watched anything from Feynman yet that is the least bit itneresting | Nov 01 16:40 |
| fewa | meh the light one is ok | Nov 01 16:43 |
| schestowitz | BillyG makes his lecture available w/ Silver Lie | Nov 01 17:05 |
| MinceR | for certain values of "available" | Nov 01 17:09 |
| fewa | has anyone stripped those videos yet? | Nov 01 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 01 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Flash :-( | Nov 01 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Good news: | Nov 02 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I finished transcribing the Guardian podcast segment on the History of Windows (gedit file attched). I think I got everyone's names spelled correctly, but there were two or three places where I couldn't understand what they said. Mostly Charles and Jack were the toughest ones to understand. If you listen to it and read along, you might be able to fill in any missing words. | Nov 02 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I know you can't publicly publish this transcription, in full, because it would probably bring take-down notices to BN along with copyright infringement lawsuit threats...but maybe you can quote parts of it, here and there, among other articles till the best (worst!) parts are online (and search-able!). | Nov 02 08:04 |
| schestowitz | ^^^^^QUOTE | Nov 02 08:04 |
| oiaohm | That is a interesting question. | Nov 02 08:09 |
| oiaohm | does transcribing from a video equal breach of copyright. | Nov 02 08:09 |
| oiaohm | I know of no test cases here | Nov 02 08:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll add comments | Nov 02 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Like SR did in Halloween | Nov 02 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/02/guardian-lies-exposed/ | Nov 02 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > You are really going to piss off the pipe smoking one | Nov 02 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | >> typos cleaned up and posted. | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | >> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/02/guardian-lies-exposed/ | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > At least Charles Arthur called him on MS introduced the GUI. Well | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > spotted for them only mentioning Apple. | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > You notice there was absolutely *no* mention of IBM or OS/2 in that | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | > entire sphiel ??? | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's good that wallclimber was willing to make a transcript (for future reference). | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | It was a friend's idea to extract the text | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Nov 02 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Inside secret: | Nov 02 15:48 |
| schestowitz | "The had "OMG-Women-In-Technology" stars all over the place trained as onsite M$ foot soldiers. It was not allowed to discuss their skill or knowledge. The only topics allowed were praise for breaking the gender barrier. Some, like newspaper columnists, were used rather blatantly and were little more than mouthpieces for press releases. | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "IMHO, that is what they have been doing with the recent attacks on FOSS and GNU. | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "The have their shill here: See description of 'kim kommando' | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.talkatoz.com/index.mv?mvc=hosts.mv | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "she appears their foot soldier. | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "[Also, the crap with posing the Sveriges Riksbankspris as a 'Nobel' prize for the 'science' of economics this year fits in that. It's an overlapping herd of anti-knowledge 'bidnessmen'] | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "There are no real syndicated technology magazines in US radio since the demise of Todd Mundt. Not that he was good, just that he was the last one. AFAIK one of the cranks callers that harrassed me at my house sounded the same as the 'turfer that pre-announced himself on slashdot and then called in to Bruce Perens' program, tying up the session with M$ talking points. | Nov 02 15:49 |
| schestowitz | "Anyway, how to deal with it without making things worse? | Nov 02 15:49 |
| fewa | nice on women | Nov 02 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I know..... | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > Remember the Novell video cast I mentioned where they only went on | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > about Novell and collaboration with MS. Same thank again, they spout | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > stuff they wouldn't put in print. You shouldn't have said how we have | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > them spotted now they'll restrict this stuff to a private email list | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > of top PHBs. | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 16:13 |
| fewa | say goodbye to sexism....... | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > You should subscribe to the private mailing lists of MS/Novell and | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > whoever and see what they are sending to the CEOs. Use an anonymous | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | > account. AND DON@T POST THIS on your BLOG !!!! | Nov 02 16:13 |
| fewa | now the sexism is in faking a end of sexism | Nov 02 16:13 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Nov 02 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite follow... | Nov 02 16:14 |
| fewa | having show girls in tech that are meer evangalizers | Nov 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I IGNORE all that. The "sexism" FOSS thing. | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> "The had "OMG-Women-In-Technology" stars all over the place trained as onsite M$ foot soldiers. It was not allowed to discuss their skill or knowledge. The only topics allowed were praise for breaking the gender barrier. Some, like newspaper columnists, were used rather blatantly and were little more than mouthpieces for press releases. | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | this is differn't | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | this is fake transcendence | Nov 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I think they smear FOSS now using the whole issue that's a GENRAL IT issue... and maybe not IT either | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | instigated by MS | Nov 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | There is sexism everywhere | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | who sent that | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> There is sexism everywhere | Nov 02 16:15 |
| fewa | exact | Nov 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | fewa: why? | Nov 02 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It's a private mail | Nov 02 16:16 |
| fewa | anyways, its besides the point | Nov 02 16:16 |
| schestowitz | But many large companies play that card | Nov 02 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Also re: gay marriage | Nov 02 16:16 |
| schestowitz | [which I personally have nothing against] | Nov 02 16:16 |
| schestowitz | They portray the corps are progressives | Nov 02 16:16 |
| fewa | and "equal opportunity employer" | Nov 02 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 02 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Cause a lot of the clientele find that appealing | Nov 02 16:17 |
| fewa | which means that there a Africans in the leeflets and advertising | Nov 02 16:17 |
| fewa | but not in the actual employees | Nov 02 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Sexual orientation, gender, ages, etc. | Nov 02 16:17 |
| fewa | *among | Nov 02 16:17 |
| schestowitz | That's why in the ads they chopped off the black guy... in Poland | Nov 02 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Micrososft Australia played that card | Nov 02 16:17 |
| fewa | meh, i've always agreed with what I believe is the majority opinion: marriage need not be defined by govt. civil unions need to be available to everyone | Nov 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Something about a famous women model working at Microsoft AU | Nov 02 16:18 |
| fewa | that exact thing was on the ballot here in washington | Nov 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | fewa: it's a welfare thing at the end | Nov 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | How endowments are recognised | Nov 02 16:18 |
| fewa | exactly | Nov 02 16:18 |
| fewa | http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Washington_Referendum_71_%282009%29 | Nov 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Else people can ask for martial benefits for marrying their gold fish | Nov 02 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I've come across gay people who faked marriages | Nov 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Used some gal to receive benefits... while not living with her | Nov 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz | True reality | Nov 02 16:19 |
| schestowitz | The solution may be to offer no welfare here | Nov 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz | We don't need many births anyway. The world is over-populated | Nov 02 16:20 |
| fewa | europe pop is going down | Nov 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 02 16:20 |
| fewa | its a big economic problem | Nov 02 16:20 |
| fewa | same in japan | Nov 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Not all of Europe | Nov 02 16:20 |
| fewa | US has highest growth of developed world | Nov 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Ethnicity anomalies too | Nov 02 16:20 |
| fewa | here too | Nov 02 16:20 |
| schestowitz | So balance of races varies in time | Nov 02 16:21 |
| fewa | the Mexicans are catholic and have alot of kids here | Nov 02 16:21 |
| fewa | also the largely English mormans | Nov 02 16:21 |
| fewa | which are quite the puritans | Nov 02 16:21 |
| schestowitz | as long as everyone gets along :-) | Nov 02 16:21 |
| fewa | this country is built on immigration | Nov 02 16:22 |
| fewa | in fact, the hispanic population is the biggest thing destroying the Rep party | Nov 02 16:22 |
| fewa | besides their own incompetence.... | Nov 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | So that's a good thing | Nov 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | But a lot of it is used to recruit troops | Nov 02 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I.e. make wars | Nov 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Not their fauly | Nov 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Be deported or be cannon fodder | Nov 02 16:23 |
| fewa | 2nd generation residents have always made all the progress in this country | Nov 02 16:23 |
| fewa | and because of the constitution all 2nd generation are citizens | Nov 02 16:23 |
| fewa | thats a important right | Nov 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Brin, Google | Nov 02 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! maybe (Yang) | Nov 02 16:24 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 02 16:24 |
| fewa | ARM | Nov 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Bezos (Mexico) | Nov 02 16:24 |
| fewa | wait ARM is 1st | Nov 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | ARM is British | Nov 02 16:24 |
| fewa | *freescale | Nov 02 16:24 |
| fewa | i cant tell them apart | Nov 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | But... | Nov 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Alas... | Nov 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Opposites exist | Nov 02 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Miguel de Judas | Nov 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 02 16:25 |
| fewa | Chomsky, Zinn | Nov 02 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky was born there, though | Nov 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | 2nd-gen immigrants | Nov 02 16:30 |
| schestowitz | I watched this in Oct: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt7cFFKPeM | Nov 02 16:31 |
| fewa | Chomsky was born on the morning of December 7, 1928 to Jewish parents in the East Oak Lane neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the son of a Hebrew scholar and IWW (Industrial Workers of the World) member, William Chomsky (1896–1977), a native of Ukraine. His mother, Elsie Chomsky (née Simonofsky), a native of what is present-day Belarus | Nov 02 16:31 |
| fewa | (wikipedia) | Nov 02 16:32 |
| fewa | Hollywood | Nov 02 16:33 |
| fewa | the banks | Nov 02 16:33 |
| fewa | irish-->jewish-->asian | Nov 02 16:33 |
| schestowitz | conversations with history chomsky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ghoXQxdk6s | Nov 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz | If that matters at all | Nov 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Caused I watched them a while back | Nov 02 16:34 |
| fewa | thats why the hype around JFK was similar to Obama | Nov 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz | The one with Linus Pauling is also good | Nov 02 16:34 |
| fewa | cause he was irish and catholic | Nov 02 16:34 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt7cFFKPeM#t=5m15s | Nov 02 16:41 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMt7cFFKPeM#t=8m15s | Nov 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I remember those bits | Nov 02 16:45 |
| fewa | the second was the purposefully liked to one | Nov 02 16:52 |
| schestowitz | it's funny how two chaps talking can be more interesting than national TV | Nov 02 16:54 |
| schestowitz | But I've been watching BBC documentaries recently... some really good ones. | Nov 02 16:54 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> it's funny how two chaps talking can be more interesting than national TV | Nov 02 16:54 |
| fewa | thats often what tv is | Nov 02 16:54 |
| fewa | except its split up | Nov 02 16:54 |
| fewa | to foster short attention spans | Nov 02 16:55 |
| fewa | long thoughts are the only ones that engender thinking and learning | Nov 02 16:55 |
| fewa | teach how to think | Nov 02 16:56 |
| schestowitz | >> we have a volunteer for it. :-) | Nov 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 17:12 |
| schestowitz | > Nice, where exactly is the translated text ? | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > “You gotta do a transcript,” said this reader, “I notice a lot of this | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > kind of stuff recently. Putting it out on audio/video so as Google | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > can’t pick it up.” | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > Stop quoting my text verbatum. You're in a contest with the trolls. | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > Have you never heard the expression "never give away your game" or | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > "guard your game" as in don't give away your strategy. Minimize the | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > attack surface. | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Our nuisance MUTEX is getting out of hand | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | ..... | Nov 02 17:13 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > On the IRC chan this morning someone introduces a mention of a Groklaw | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > article re an amicus brief from Microsoft regarding the Bilski case. | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > And how MS erroneously describes the innards of a computer as ones and | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > noughts. | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > Someone mentions a Turing machine and instead of talking about Bilski | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > the IRC chan goes off on the meaning of infinity. Is this a case of | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > channel hijacking or is it just me paranioa ??? | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | No, it's a Microsoft shill, MUTEX. We banned him over 30 times and he keeps nymshifting. | Nov 02 17:18 |
| schestowitz | 3261 unique IPs in BN in the past 8 hours. That Guardian item is a hit. | Nov 02 17:21 |
| schestowitz | >> No, it's a Microsoft shill, MUTEX. We banned him over 30 times and he keeps nymshifting. | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > Set up your own IRC server and you can see where they are coming from. | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > You can also edit it to exclude the trolling and publish the cleaned | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > up version. If someone publishes their own log, then it's immediately | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > obvious that they are trolling. | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Some people don't understand that nymshifters will always find a way in | Nov 02 17:47 |
| schestowitz | re http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/02/gates-africa-un-education/ | Nov 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | > Your recent mention of the Gates Foundation was a bit over the top, | Nov 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | > don't you think. Stuff like that get you labeled 'activist' and 'controversial' ... | Nov 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | My respons was: "Like the LA Times, for example?" | Nov 02 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Reader says: | Nov 02 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > Can't recall which LAT article you mean. But, all I am advising you to do is, reduce the attack surface so as your enemies will have less mud to throw at you. Getting you labeled activist and controversial is their primary strategy. | Nov 02 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > We have to think of people who - not knowing anything about the subject - read a) billg is a very nice man who donates to charity and b) Roy S is a controversial activist who .. well ... | Nov 02 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > You have to "pull-a-PJ" and only address the issues and give them no personal stuff they can use against you. And don't get drawn in to any controversies, like the fwlla on the radio interview asking you about someone spamming blogs with links to your blog. Nothing to do with you. | Nov 02 17:57 |
| schestowitz | > Is billg truly evil or is this what the obscenely wealthy all get up | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > to. Manipulate the culture to keep wealth and influence in their own | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > hands and over the generations at that. He's not the only one but I | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > guess he's better at it than most. Rockefeller and the Carnegie | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > Foundation. Like, we had a Carnegie paid for library in our town. But | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > then again, if Carnegie was investing in all the local industry, then | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > basically he gave us back 5 percent of what we earned for him. | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > www.rockfound.org/ | Nov 02 18:01 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> > Someone mentions a Turing machine and instead of talking about Bilski | Nov 02 18:08 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> > the IRC chan goes off on the meaning of infinity. Is this a case of | Nov 02 18:08 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> > channel hijacking or is it just me paranioa ??? | Nov 02 18:08 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> No, it's a Microsoft shill, MUTEX. We banned him over 30 times and he keeps nymshifting. | Nov 02 18:08 |
| fewa | yeah I saw that and stopped reading | Nov 02 18:08 |
| *#boycottnovell-social :You need to be a channel operator to do that | Nov 02 18:13 | |
| schestowitz | >> | Nov 02 18:53 |
| schestowitz | I kicked mutex. | Nov 02 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | > Democracy at work. I figure that's why they are hiding out on audio | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | > files, so they can't be called on the fake technology stories that are | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | > nothing but an extended advert for MICROS~1 ... | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | > Remember, a lot of people read the GUARDI~1 ... | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | RMS trusts almost only the Guardian. See him blog. | Nov 02 18:54 |
| schestowitz | That's from one of the readers who complained abut mutex in the IRC logs, injecting topic-changing | Nov 02 18:54 |
| fewa | +R (quiet unidentified) This mode prevents users who are not identified with NickServ from speaking in the channel. Users will receive a server notice explaining this if they try to speak. | Nov 02 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Nov 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | This will be useful in the future. | Nov 02 19:00 |
| fewa | +m (moderated) When a channel is set +m, only users with +o or +v on the channel can send to it. | Nov 02 19:00 |
| schestowitz | He causes so much disruption. He also trolls BN in blog comments | Nov 02 19:00 |
| MinceR | (animated) http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/banned-1.gif | Nov 02 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Bookmarked | Nov 02 19:07 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Nov 02 19:08 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 02 19:09 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* domain name.. just noticed | Nov 02 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Forum Ammo | Nov 02 19:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 02 19:17 |
| schestowitz | ae 15 99 e0=174-21-153-224.tukw.qwest.net | Nov 02 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I thought it would be mutex when i looked it up | Nov 02 21:37 |
| fewa | http://www.phodd.net/cyrek/ipformat.php | Nov 02 21:39 |
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| MinceR | http://trash.uid0.hu/fun/rubber_stamp1.jpg | Nov 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | F* Information Technology? :-) | Nov 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 02 22:53 |
| schestowitz | THat'd be Microsoft and ISO | Nov 02 22:53 |
| schestowitz | F* technology | Nov 02 22:53 |
| schestowitz | "Just show us the money!!" | Nov 02 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer, business guy | Nov 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Gate, lawyer/accounting dropout | Nov 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Allen, ran awa early! | Nov 02 22:54 |
| MinceR | well, that's what they're doing to IT | Nov 02 22:56 |
| MinceR | and their customers | Nov 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | "Consumerisation" | Nov 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP6aTjitfX8 | Nov 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | "Consumerisation pf IT" --MonkeyBoy | Nov 02 22:57 |
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| fewa | nice bullshit from ballmer | Nov 03 07:04 |
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| schestowitz | > Please be careful when generalizing opinions from publications because | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > corporate controlled media does not reflect popular opinion. I have not run | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > into many Microsoft fans up here, for example. I don't even see a lot of | Nov 03 07:22 |
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| schestowitz | > Windows systems away from work. The Seatle PI is about as reflective of | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > local opinion as Fox News is. It's bought content that mostly tells people | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > what to thing rather than reflecting what they believe. News papers, as far | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > as I can see, are irrelevant and only read by old people. | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 03 07:22 |
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| schestowitz | > As a counter example, here's a local paper that looks interesting: | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2009/04/government-care-providers-shouldnt-rely.html | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | > I have not looked at it much, but I was encouraged by this particular article. | Nov 03 07:22 |
| fewa_ | no shit | Nov 03 07:23 |
| fewa_ | I'm amazed those companies dont get ued through the hilt | Nov 03 07:23 |
| fewa_ | that sell proprietary tech that gets viruses | Nov 03 07:23 |
| fewa_ | http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2009/adobe-bad-open-government/ | Nov 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wosbdri9dRc Conversations with History: Wole Soyinka | Nov 03 10:15 |
| fewa_ | dont the admins learn : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OOXML | Nov 03 12:03 |
| fewa_ | :( | Nov 03 12:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Uk-DwUvJw | Nov 03 12:17 |
| fewa_ | ahh, http://www.zcommunications.org/zvideo/141 | Nov 03 13:17 |
| fewa_ | when you talked about libel I thought it was wierd | Nov 03 13:17 |
| fewa_ | Chomsky explains the differences in liberties | Nov 03 13:17 |
| fewa_ | ~3m | Nov 03 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Bookmarked | Nov 03 13:27 |
| fewa_ | that in the UK, those accused of libel are presumed guilty | Nov 03 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Usually it means "they don't like what they hear" | Nov 03 13:43 |
| schestowitz | see #bn | Nov 03 13:44 |
| fewa_ | but in the US you cant do that | Nov 03 14:02 |
| fewa_ | (largely | Nov 03 14:02 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation#Anti-SLAPP_legislation | Nov 03 14:03 |
| fewa_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation | Nov 03 14:03 |
| fewa_ | lots of states, mine included have anti-SLAPP proisions | Nov 03 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Illicit Filesharing – Ben Bradshaw | Nov 03 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Nov 03 14:09 |
| schestowitz | This: http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/projects/guide/ | Nov 03 14:09 |
| fewa_ | umm, | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | Zero Install Bundle for Windows (for any portable media drive) | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | a) Download Tor Browser Bundle | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | b) Extract the Tor Browser file in your USB key | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | II - Writing from your personal computer | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | Step 1: Disguise your IP | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | a) Install Firefox. | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | b) Install Tor. | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | c) Install Torbutton. | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | d) Turn on Tor in Firefox and test it out. | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | or you can get a linux setup that is already set up | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | on flash | Nov 03 14:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/law/091029karim.shtml "A regional press publisher has obtained a potentially significant court ruling on the issue of how far they are protected from legal action over user-generated web content." | Nov 03 14:10 |
| fewa_ | also, with that guide the email provider can turn you in | Nov 03 14:11 |
| fewa_ | like happened to the Chinese blogger | Nov 03 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo? | Nov 03 14:11 |
| fewa_ | when Yahoo turned him in | Nov 03 14:11 |
| fewa_ | yes | Nov 03 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 03 14:11 |
| fewa_ | and he was jailed | Nov 03 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Yang apologised | Nov 03 14:11 |
| fewa_ | of course there are exceptions | Nov 03 14:13 |
| fewa_ | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/10/man-arrested-twittering-goes-court-eff-has-documen | Nov 03 14:13 |
| fewa_ | look at the NYTimes account | Nov 03 14:13 |
| fewa_ | its a screed | Nov 03 14:13 |
| fewa_ | http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/10/7/watch_what_you_tweet | Nov 03 14:14 |
| fewa_ | interview with the man who had his flat raided by the Fed | Nov 03 14:14 |
| fewa_ | ...for using twitter | Nov 03 14:24 |
| fewa_ | https://ecf.nyed.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/ShowIndex.pl | Nov 03 14:26 |
| fewa_ | " | Nov 03 14:26 |
| fewa_ | NOTICE FOR CM/ECF FILERS | Nov 03 14:26 |
| fewa_ | The Eastern District of New York would like to make CM/ECF filers aware of security concerns relating to a software application, or "extension," called RECAP, which was designed by a group from Princeton University to enable the sharing of court documents on the Internet. Once a user loads RECAP, documents that he or she subsequently accesses via PACER are automatically sent to a public Internet repository. While RECAP captures both Distri | Nov 03 14:26 |
| fewa_ | ct and Bankruptcy Court documents, RECAP does not appear at this time to provide users with access to sealed or otherwise restricted documents. Please be aware that RECAP is "open-source" software, which can be freely obtained by anyone with Internet access and modified for benign or malicious purposes, such as facilitating unauthorized access to restricted documents or seeding the repository with falsified or spurious documents. According | Nov 03 14:26 |
| fewa_ | ly, CM/ECF filers are reminded to be diligent about their computer security practices to ensure that documents are not inadvertently shared or compromised. This District Court and the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts will continue to analyze the implications of RECAP and related-software and advise you of any ongoing or further concerns. " | Nov 03 14:26 |
| fewa_ | F.U.D. | Nov 03 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Compromised. LOL | Nov 03 14:30 |
| schestowitz | The TERROR~! will dance in the streets if they get some court docs | Nov 03 14:30 |
| fewa_ | cant have the law | Nov 03 14:30 |
| fewa_ | no access | Nov 03 14:30 |
| fewa_ | illegal to know what is illegal | Nov 03 14:31 |
| schestowitz | What scum: http://www.pff.org/privacy-solutions/threat-taxonomy/ | Nov 03 14:31 |
| schestowitz | fewa_: unless you're rich | Nov 03 14:32 |
| fewa_ | http://websurvey.pinpointresearch.com/pacersurvey/ | Nov 03 14:32 |
| fewa_ | lol, its completely non-annonymous | Nov 03 14:32 |
| fewa_ | schestowitz, but then why would you need to know the law? you are above it! | Nov 03 14:32 |
| fewa_ | you know what RECAP is right? | Nov 03 14:35 |
| schestowitz | yes | Nov 03 14:36 |
| fewa_ | *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_QPaRygFU&feature=player_embedded ~3 @ libel | Nov 03 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I'm just bookmarking all your vids, so can't give immediate feedback | Nov 03 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Tahnks anwyway | Nov 03 16:23 |
| fewa_ | thats the same one as above, but the above link doesn't work | Nov 03 16:24 |
| fewa_ | not really that interesting, we already discussed libel | Nov 03 16:24 |
| fewa_ | those editing OOXML against the trolls have no sense of what they are doing | Nov 03 16:36 |
| fewa_ | dont see the pattern | Nov 03 16:36 |
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| MinceR | http://www.pvponline.com/2009/11/03/christ-on-a-stick/ | Nov 03 21:14 |
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| oiaohm | When you know how they work and how the human brain works its very simple to set up the right training so anyone can give miss information that by the brains internal is the truth. | Nov 04 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Even that its a lie schestowitz | Nov 04 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Why PM? | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | [12:39] <oiaohm> Defeating a lie detector is dead simple. Don't lie. | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | [12:39] <oiaohm> Virtual worlds makes Don't Lie simple. | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | [12:40] <oiaohm> So people who have trained in virtual worlds can defeat any lie detector test. | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I could see the prior things | Nov 04 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | But I think they might make these machines more reliable | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't know... never used one | Nov 04 12:44 |
| oiaohm | I temp forgot about this channel. | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | But sometimes there's no chance for preparation | Nov 04 12:44 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, lie test can be taken without prior time to relax or train | Nov 04 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Like a surprise test in clas | Nov 04 12:45 |
| oiaohm | That is the only time the device is any use. | Nov 04 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Once person is giving longer than 48 hours they can be trained so lie detector is useless. | Nov 04 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Some people even naturally do it after a crime they cannot live with the fact they did it. | Nov 04 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 04 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Only thing worse than lie detector is eye witinse accounts. | Nov 04 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Alibi | Nov 04 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Not reliable | Nov 04 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Or admission through torture | Nov 04 12:48 |
| schestowitz | People make false confession to end the suffering | Nov 04 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the torture. | Nov 04 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Better when they blame someone else even | Nov 04 12:48 |
| schestowitz | And sometimes bribed to lie, than brag about it | Nov 04 12:48 |
| schestowitz | To produce the "needed" evidence | Nov 04 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Only the most evil one will work. | Nov 04 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Were you basically put wires into the person brain and directly active sections of it. | Nov 04 12:49 |
| oiaohm | No where tollerates it because it kinda kills the person. | Nov 04 12:49 |
| schestowitz | It's OK for motoric things | Nov 04 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie if they live there brain is basically fried. | Nov 04 12:50 |
| schestowitz | But too complex for thought | Nov 04 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, vegetables | Nov 04 12:50 |
| oiaohm | You can basically cut of a person means to think to lie. | Nov 04 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Completely evil form of torture. | Nov 04 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Its the final and most powerful form of lie removal. | Nov 04 12:52 |
| oiaohm | The virtual world method might even defeat it. | Nov 04 12:52 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI0a2yeq9J8&NR=1 | Nov 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | He's nearby BTW: http://www.bwpi.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/staff/index.html | Nov 04 23:26 |
| schestowitz | fewa: Jesper is mocking PJ | Nov 04 23:54 |
| schestowitz | "Jesper wrote a stupid comment, making a joke with your blog: http://homembit.com/2009/10/openxml-what-i-havent-told-yet-about-the-brm.html#comment-32171" | Nov 04 23:55 |
| schestowitz | "Seems like a good opportunity to write back to him there ! Those M$ puppets are really stupid..." | Nov 04 23:55 |
| schestowitz | I replied "Thanks for that. Yes, I'm not surprised by him. He stalks me in Twitter and harasses me in other forums (since the 2008 BRM IIRC). I'll let PJ know what he calls her." | Nov 04 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Also see http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+jesper&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB close friends | Nov 04 23:55 |
| schestowitz | These moles make me sick | Nov 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | In FOSS also | Nov 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | They pretend to be friends | Nov 04 23:56 |
| schestowitz | "Alen? was tricked into 1) posting some harmful code Jo Shields sent him, messing with those that need help removing mono:" | Nov 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/10/29/how-to-remove-mono-from-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala/ | Nov 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | "apt-get autoremove should get any orphan packages. However, Jo tells Alan to nuke packages that other programs might be using." | Nov 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | "It's a conundrum, either it shows the terrible technical skills that Jo and other monomaniacs are infecting ubuntu and debian with, or it shows their true colors. Honest mistake is not an option given what should be the obvious nature of the answer to someone claiming to help package." | Nov 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | "2) tricked giving the impression that Jo is being helpful, see above" | Nov 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | "3) tricked into steering traffic to Jo's blog o' insults. As you see there, in his answer in the comments, he points to his page, thus giving an indirect reference to an insult." | Nov 05 08:58 |
| schestowitz | "4) steering users to Jo's blog give Jo via the access logs a good bit of information about who is complaining about his injecting bad (quality / licensing) technology into debian and ubuntu M$ won't go after them but at least 2 levels over their heads, if the strategies in the court documents hold, which the appear to still do." | Nov 05 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | iirc, I recall reading about IShellBrowser in one of the docs I | Nov 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | transcribed. It was billg saying I have decided not to publish these | Nov 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | specs, or words to that effect. I will look it up and try and find the | Nov 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | exact text. Can you do the same ? | Nov 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 05 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Stepped in a scandal | Nov 05 13:41 |
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| fewa | I tried to change the topic to Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Register with nickserv to speak http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Nov 05 14:10 |
| fewa | and it de-opped me | Nov 05 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Here's how I found out: | Nov 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | [14:05] <MikeyC> Roy, how come you are not responding? | Nov 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | [14:05] <schestowitz> I am | Nov 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | [14:05] <schestowitz> Are you writing anything? | Nov 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | [14:05] <MikeyC> You never said how many flyes you got | Nov 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> You never talk in the channel | Nov 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> Or am I missing the messages? | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> You log in, then out again | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> Never talking | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <MikeyC> well i am talking now, how many flyes did you get, the event is over now so we can tell | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> 128 | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> [14:05] <MikeyC> Roy, how come you are not responding? | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:06] <schestowitz> When? | Nov 05 14:13 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <MikeyC> that's good | Nov 05 14:13 |
| fewa | you should add that to the topic like i tried to do | Nov 05 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather leave it as it used to be | Nov 05 14:22 |
| schestowitz | When did you +R? | Nov 05 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Cause Jomar Silva tried to contact me, others too | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | They think I ignore them | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <schestowitz> You never speak | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <schestowitz> Maybe an error? | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <MikeyC> before when i was in the main chat page | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <schestowitz> Were you talking? | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <MikeyC> yes | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <schestowitz> Weird.. | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <schestowitz> I see nothing | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:07] <MikeyC> lots, it showed up in the main chat page from my end but no response from you | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <schestowitz> Damn. | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <schestowitz> Try now | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <MikeyC> i am not in the main chat page now of course, i have clicked on you directly on 'query' | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <schestowitz> [14:05] <schestowitz> MikeyC: you there? | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <MikeyC> yes | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <schestowitz> I saw no response | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | [14:08] <MikeyC> how you getting on in the cross trainer? | Nov 05 14:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 05 14:23 |
| fewa | HAl== banned http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:HAl | Nov 05 14:34 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive574#Block_review_for_User:hAl | Nov 05 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see how it worked. Basically, with +R, it's registered or with voice. | Nov 05 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Either one | Nov 05 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Hopefully only few people were gagged. I feel so bad about it... for them, especially. | Nov 05 14:39 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 05 14:39 |
| fewa | poor clients that didn't get them the message | Nov 05 14:39 |
| fewa | but also should have been in topic | Nov 05 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Won't be enough | Nov 05 14:41 |
| schestowitz | MikeyC is bad with technology | Nov 05 14:42 |
| schestowitz | I know him from the gym | Nov 05 14:42 |
| schestowitz | And he thought I had ignored him for days | Nov 05 14:42 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber also | Nov 05 14:42 |
| schestowitz | both use that same web client | Nov 05 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Novell pensions taken away.... "I don't post much anymore, but this really made me sick to my stomach. What in the world are you thinkin about America? Wake up and do something. Anything. But don't just sit there letting these guys rape your pension funds and raid the Treasury." http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2009/11/in-defense-of-goldman-sachs-by-mike.html | Nov 05 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Stiglitz made a good point. They throw all the bad assets on taxpayers, keep all the good ones, and then claim record profit and give themselves more bonuses | Nov 05 14:49 |
| schestowitz | Criminals who thrive in people's ignorance. | Nov 05 14:49 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Criminals who thrive in people's ignorance. | Nov 05 15:05 |
| fewa | more than that | Nov 05 15:06 |
| fewa | they are stealing from them | Nov 05 15:06 |
| fewa | stealing from the public | Nov 05 15:06 |
| fewa | climbing on their backs and robbing them blind | Nov 05 15:06 |
| fewa | its "legal stealing" only in the way that it is often done by codifying the fraudulent practices | Nov 05 15:06 |
| fewa | as has been done with the accounting rules | Nov 05 15:07 |
| fewa | wat do you think about the EU/Lisbon? | Nov 05 15:12 |
| fewa | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Treaty_of_Lisbon_%28transparent%29.png | Nov 05 15:12 |
| fewa | ie EU Constitution | Nov 05 15:12 |
| schestowitz | I know too little, except it's bad | Nov 05 15:13 |
| fewa | looks like OOXML | Nov 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+lisbon&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Nov 05 15:13 |
| fewa | this massive thing nobody has ever read | Nov 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I put videos on it | Nov 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's too much to read | Nov 05 15:13 |
| schestowitz | People vote on it w/o reading | Nov 05 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft advocates the treaty | Nov 05 15:14 |
| fewa | Copyright | Nov 05 15:14 |
| fewa | what I see is that it's designed in honor or James madison | Nov 05 15:14 |
| fewa | "They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability." | Nov 05 15:14 |
| fewa | the Senate as a non-elected body was abolished in the US | Nov 05 15:15 |
| fewa | yet the EU seems to be duplicating it | Nov 05 15:15 |
| fewa | and that was over 200 years ago | Nov 05 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Crime spreads :0-) | Nov 05 15:17 |
| fewa | ... | Nov 05 15:17 |
| fewa | abolished almost 100 years ago | Nov 05 15:17 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution | Nov 05 15:17 |
| fewa | it still uses interlocking terms, disproportional representation, and long terms... | Nov 05 15:21 |
| fewa | IMHO the senate should be abolished, and succeeded by a unicameral legislature | Nov 05 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | My sister saw the news about Intel... she asked: "Are you responsible? :-)" Her husband works there. | Nov 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I answered: "No, but I write a lot about it. [...] it's totally separate from it. More to do with the issue of 'free market', which means a jungle whereby bankers hoard and take away people's pensions/homes (see Florida for example). Intel's market tactics are muchly facilitates by this whole 'free market' doctrine -- one that Americans too are now decrying." | Nov 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | At least some people appreciate this work on exposing these issues | Nov 05 19:42 |
| fewa | just working somewhere should not make you immediately allied with the management | Nov 05 19:44 |
| fewa | just look at how that worked for the UAW | Nov 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | For whatever reason, I noticed that several weeks back the Apache posts in BN were read more than usual, sometimes thousands of times for particular posts. I wondered if Apache folks were getting curious and maybe some of them disagree with the ASF. Some guy from the ASF, whose name i can't recall, contacted me. They won't listen to PJ and Perens. | Nov 05 19:44 |
| fewa | I guess they own it now, they have the option to reverse all their pro=oligarchy position | Nov 05 19:45 |
| fewa | UAW is biggest holder now | Nov 05 19:45 |
| fewa | http://english.aljazeera.net/business/2009/11/2009114185417994239.html | Nov 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Nov 05 19:45 |
| fewa | -10,000 in EU | Nov 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | BTW, you got a blog...? | Nov 05 19:46 |
| fewa | no | Nov 05 19:46 |
| fewa | perhaps I should get one | Nov 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Yay. F* FM | Nov 05 19:46 |
| fewa | think people would read it? | Nov 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Federal Motors | Nov 05 19:46 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | They force the public to adopt this ugly baby | Nov 05 19:46 |
| fewa | more owned by UAW than US govt | Nov 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Even it it makes car parts in Poland in China, in which case no jobs are created | Nov 05 19:46 |
| fewa | just transferred | Nov 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | At whose expense? :-) | Nov 05 19:47 |
| fewa | transferred to where the least regulations exist | Nov 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Gov=Tax | Nov 05 19:47 |
| fewa | to where they can treat the employees like shit, work them to death | Nov 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Is it wrong to feel for them? | Nov 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | I realise that too many people live in denial | Nov 05 19:47 |
| fewa | Labor unions have long be international | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I too pondered taking the job offer at a company that writes gambling s/w | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I was 21 | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Declined | Nov 05 19:48 |
| fewa | thats the type of globalization should be encouraged | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Did a PHD instead | Nov 05 19:48 |
| fewa | globalization is inevitable, it matters how it is structured | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | But I was close to being part of the arsehole industry | Nov 05 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Re: I realise that too many people live in denial | Nov 05 19:49 |
| fewa | schestowitz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwgc_HQhMs | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I forgot to explain | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I meant: | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | They beautify their sins | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Forget about external factors | Nov 05 19:49 |
| fewa | denial of being part of the enemy? | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe throw a nickle for 'feelgood' | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | *nickel | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Brits were good at that | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Imperial days | Nov 05 19:49 |
| schestowitz | "We're the good guys!" | Nov 05 19:50 |
| fewa | thats what the propaganda pushes at | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | [Microsoft Comes DOc] | Nov 05 19:50 |
| fewa | making it OK to be hypocritical | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Brits: we give them electricity and sutff | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Brits: they are thankful to use white people | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: WIndows is wonderful | Nov 05 19:50 |
| fewa | Give it to everyone! | Nov 05 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "People everywhere love Windows." Bill Gates | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Real quote | Nov 05 19:51 |
| fewa | watch that vid | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft becomes the world's savour | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | employe brainwash | Nov 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | And Mother Teresa was reborn... as BillG | Nov 05 19:51 |
| fewa | meh its not so explicit when targeted at the educated | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | The smears I can maybe reduce... once against me | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Not sure how | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | PJ has the advantage of being female | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | So people are more sensitive | Nov 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | If they attack a woman, the blogs will storm on them | Nov 05 19:53 |
| fewa | thats the sexism | Nov 05 19:53 |
| fewa | thats the real sexism | Nov 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | That's why Microsoft and others use women as PR people | Nov 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | See Guardian podcast | Nov 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | me: "you're stupid" | Nov 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | them: "you're.... sexist?" | Nov 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | me: "no, you're technically ignorant, gender not accounted for" | Nov 05 19:53 |
| schestowitz | them" Sexist!!! | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | It's a defence, you see? | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | THe debate rules change | Nov 05 19:54 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Criticism=stigmatisation | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | If it's an adult white male, then I can rip to shreds what he says | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise I should be careful | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | If I distrust Obama, the trolls say I'm "racist" | Nov 05 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I love how all these things work... love in the sense that it's amazingly effective as a propaganda model | Nov 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | BN should get a spokespeople who is untouchable for criticism | Nov 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Not a white male adult like myself | Nov 05 19:55 |
| fewa | lol | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | PJ = "she's just a paralegal" | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | That's what they say | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Lund shill attacked her | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Called her "pjjamma grrrll" last night | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I showed her that | Nov 05 19:56 |
| fewa | "K-street whore" | Nov 05 19:56 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL5iPKTzXAE | Nov 05 19:56 |
| fewa | when its true | Nov 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | boonmarked | Nov 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | 4 l8er | Nov 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me of the whole PR BS | Nov 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Like those who control their image | Nov 05 19:58 |
| fewa | 1st tim wu 2nd 3rd Grayson | Nov 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | The celebs and con artists and narcissists | Nov 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't have that | Nov 05 19:58 |
| fewa | you have facts | Nov 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Mutex is one of those who typecast | Nov 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | People as whole | Nov 05 19:59 |
| schestowitz | He comes to watch the channel | Nov 05 20:00 |
| fewa | yep | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | And then spouts ugly selective stuff | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I was compared to "unabomber" | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | And then Microsoft TE wong just 'quotes' that | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | As if, "I didn't say that" | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Just other shills did | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Liability tricks | Nov 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Just got this: | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | >> They won't listen to PJ and Perens. | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > I'm curious as to how that came to be that they decide to ignore two of | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > the most well known people in the field. Stockholm Syndrome ? Battered | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > Spouse Syndrome ? Cheap Ho Syndrome ? | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > Regarding the log analysis, I've noticed that most M$ sites no longer | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > have Google caches, and many M$ proponents (like Jo Shields) try to get | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > people to "look" at their blog. One of the OOo lists trolled last month | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > to get people to sign a petition at an anti-OOo site, he got a lot of | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > bites on that bait, but more he got a fair amount of information about | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | > the more gullible parts of the vocally anti-M$ group. | Nov 05 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Well, PJ is careful when linking to stuff cause of IP harvesting. | Nov 05 20:16 |
| fewa | your ip is identifyable | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | It would be impossible to hide | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | E-mails... | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Surfing... | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | IRC... | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Too many things | Nov 05 20:17 |
| fewa | thats why gmail is so popular | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | You need only be expose once | Nov 05 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I have Miguel's IP... he reads BN daily | Nov 05 20:17 |
| fewa | lol | Nov 05 20:18 |
| fewa | nice | Nov 05 20:18 |
| fewa | you should taunt him on that | Nov 05 20:18 |
| fewa | :P | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | We do about 8k UIP/day | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | fewa: no, I don't want to scare him away | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Other senior ones read BN | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | OSI president for instance | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Other OSS CEOs | Nov 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | There are attempts (smears) to get them off it | Nov 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Cause they get exposed to a POV that's harmful to some companies | Nov 05 20:21 |
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| fewa | RE: working for the enemy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6LgYDyU2ag | Nov 06 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I don't get the point really | Nov 06 02:41 |
| fewa | meh its kina a push video | Nov 06 03:16 |
| fewa | the Tim Wu video is better, u saw it? | Nov 06 03:16 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKwgc_HQhMs 2 min | Nov 06 03:16 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Nov 06 03:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3847041 | Nov 06 13:56 |
| schestowitz | fud debunked | Nov 06 13:56 |
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| fewa | that private insurance actor is on democracynow | Nov 06 14:43 |
| fewa | from that Brave New Films sick for profit push video | Nov 06 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK. | Nov 06 14:48 |
| schestowitz | If you have some good vids, recommend them. I've watched all that you gave me | Nov 06 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I do 1.5hrs/day | Nov 06 14:48 |
| fewa | well i havnt watched it | Nov 06 14:49 |
| fewa | watch the Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart for yesterday | Nov 06 14:49 |
| fewa | its great | Nov 06 14:49 |
| fewa | he does a satire of glenn beck | Nov 06 14:49 |
| fewa | who just was treated in a union hospital for appendicitis | Nov 06 14:50 |
| fewa | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-5-2009/the-11-3-project | Nov 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | OK, good 3 later | Nov 06 14:51 |
| schestowitz | *4 later | Nov 06 14:51 |
| fewa | Weiner's premonition http://ur1.ca/f8cq | Nov 06 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Ta | Nov 06 14:54 |
| fewa | I do think you should put a savetheinternet.com/net Neutrality badge on ur site :P | Nov 06 14:55 |
| schestowitz | OK | Nov 06 14:55 |
| fewa | http://www.savetheinternet.com/spread-the-word | Nov 06 14:56 |
| fewa | you can locally host image | Nov 06 14:56 |
| schestowitz | done | Nov 06 15:03 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/index.php?fewaaaaa | Nov 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | see sidebar | Nov 06 15:17 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Nov 06 16:13 | |
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| schestowitz | We have a little problem. | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:34] <sebsebseb> We have a spy here to it seems, well he is spying on me it seems | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:34] <sebsebseb> silly Ubuntu ops | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:35] <sebsebseb> he even joined the small channel, but he done that before, when it was another one | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <sebsebseb> maybe he didn't like things I asked in the Ubuntu Membership open week session, or he thought I had been channel promoting, or both | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <schestowitz> which one? | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <sebsebseb> ikonia | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <schestowitz> don't know him | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <sebsebseb> I have had problems with him quite a few times in the past | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:36] <schestowitz> Never been in the channel | Nov 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | [16:37] <schestowitz> maybe he whoised you | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:37] <sebsebseb> he is an op for the main Ubuntu channels | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:37] <schestowitz> and then came following | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:37] <sebsebseb> he also joins the channels of anyone he thinks is a troll or whatever at times | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:38] <sebsebseb> he is in all of them except the Swedish Ubuntu channel | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:38] <sebsebseb> all the channels I am in | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:38] <sebsebseb> except that one | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:38] <sebsebseb> uh | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:38] <sebsebseb> :) | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:41] <sebsebseb> some people on this network aren't that nice really, and they are Ubuntu ops for example | Nov 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | [16:42] <sebsebseb> what's the Mandriva IRC community like | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:42] <sebsebseb> with Ubuntu they dicate to people like me at times, on how we should be doing support in there, how we should be using the bot and so on | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:48] <sebsebseb> I had a pretty bad time last year | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:48] <sebsebseb> a course that went bad and so on | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:48] <sebsebseb> months at home rather annoyed about loads of stuff etc | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:49] <sebsebseb> then towards the begiing of the year I decided I would start helping out a lot in #ubuntu | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:50] <sebsebseb> ,but I was still annoyed about things and so on, so I would be sometimes like WTF and FFS in the channel, had an argument with Ikonia even about me saying that the Firefox in Ubuntu wasn't offical since something I had read and so on. so got banned a few times yep | Nov 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> then started my own channel with this guy, well a second one came later on as well, that didn't work out. | Nov 06 17:21 |
| fewa | ikonia also says that 64 bit ubuntu is not support for desktops | Nov 06 17:21 |
| fewa | and other BS | Nov 06 17:21 |
| schestowitz | where? | Nov 06 17:22 |
| fewa | maybe its changed.... | Nov 06 17:22 |
| fewa | Ubuntu is a company, Debian a community | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:42] <sebsebseb> what's the Mandriva IRC community like | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:42] <sebsebseb> with Ubuntu they dicate to people like me at times, on how we should be doing support in there, how we should be using the bot and so on | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:48] <sebsebseb> I had a pretty bad time last year | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:48] <sebsebseb> a course that went bad and so on | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:48] <sebsebseb> months at home rather annoyed about loads of stuff etc | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:49] <sebsebseb> then towards the begiing of the year I decided I would start helping out a lot in #ubuntu | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:50] <sebsebseb> ,but I was still annoyed about things and so on, so I would be sometimes like WTF and FFS in the channel, had an argument with Ikonia even about me saying that the Firefox in Ubuntu wasn't offical since something I had read and so on. so got banned a few times yep | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> then started my own channel with this guy, well a second one came later on as well, that didn't work out. | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Wrong clipboard | Nov 06 17:23 |
| fewa | Red Hat was helpful | Nov 06 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Ys | Nov 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu scares me.. | Nov 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Too vain | Nov 06 17:24 |
| fewa | well run organization | Nov 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Not so much 'small mom and pop" company | Nov 06 17:24 |
| fewa | and despire the FUD greg had some points | Nov 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Organisation? | Nov 06 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I thought they were a mom's basement /j | Nov 06 17:25 |
| fewa | about ubuntu not being into core development | Nov 06 17:25 |
| fewa | *Red Hat well run | Nov 06 17:25 |
| fewa | but I think it is still benificial | Nov 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 06 17:25 |
| schestowitz | More money going to people who code | Nov 06 17:26 |
| fewa | alot of Ubuntuers have no respect for free software either | Nov 06 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Same with Novell | Nov 06 17:26 |
| fewa | or even awareness | Nov 06 17:26 |
| schestowitz | fewa: that would use something else either way | Nov 06 17:26 |
| schestowitz | They come from Win-Doh-s | Nov 06 17:26 |
| fewa | like the freeware ntfs driver | Nov 06 17:26 |
| fewa | *ext2 driver | Nov 06 17:26 |
| fewa | they just expect people to do free work | Nov 06 17:26 |
| fewa | friggen idiots | Nov 06 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Used to treating devs like salesmen for customers | Nov 06 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Not peers | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | if its not free software you cant expect jack | Nov 06 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Like in a communal fam | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | you can beg | Nov 06 17:27 |
| schestowitz | *farm | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | but that is about it | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | http://www.fs-driver.org/ | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | its a good driver | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | but not free software | Nov 06 17:27 |
| fewa | they need some civilizing | Nov 06 17:28 |
| fewa | even the devs often dont get it | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=des_moines_iowa_searches_for_brad_paulli&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> then started my own channel with this guy, well a second one came later on as well, that didn't work out. Got a few people in from the #ubuntu channel, and they thought I was telling loads of people about it just like that and stuff. Plus there was this other channel soeone eleses where one or two people from it trolled #ubuntu and they thought I was the ring leader and stuff when I wasn't. | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> So yeah there's a history | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> plus they don't always like how I do support in #ubuntu | Nov 06 17:28 |
| fewa | they had to be schooled by the Debian devs to get some of the issues | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> I have read ops logs where I have been mentioned and such | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> it's fun to help others, but | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:51] <sebsebseb> there's all this IRC drama as well | Nov 06 17:28 |
| fewa | that the completely missed the mark, completely unaware | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | [16:53] <sebsebseb> any comments? also your channel is pretty good really, most pretty much anything channels I have tried, I don't like much | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Poor Seb... it's like they chase him down. And he means well. I actually used to think he trolled in seb | Nov 06 17:28 |
| fewa | I have a remark: its the top down corporate structure | Nov 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | He has asperger's syndrome | Nov 06 17:28 |
| fewa | you cant yield to it | Nov 06 17:28 |
| fewa | if its forced on you, get out | Nov 06 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Tuxera also..... | Nov 06 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft partners... | Nov 06 17:29 |
| fewa | Obama's campaign was built on it | Nov 06 17:29 |
| fewa | that was Chomsky's main criticism | Nov 06 17:29 |
| fewa | its the antithesis of democracy | Nov 06 17:29 |
| fewa | "brand Obama" | Nov 06 17:29 |
| fewa | instead of "the programs and changes that the people want" | Nov 06 17:30 |
| fewa | or my supports want | Nov 06 17:30 |
| fewa | its empty | Nov 06 17:30 |
| fewa | to support anyone that treats its unpaid supporters like meat | Nov 06 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 06 17:31 |
| schestowitz | daemon went door to door to promote Obamma, IIRC | Nov 06 17:31 |
| fewa | Not that you should expect alot | Nov 06 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I feel bad for those who promote "factions of the business party" | Nov 06 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Free labour | Nov 06 17:31 |
| fewa | schestowitz, around Indiana that might be good | Nov 06 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Like Windows-only "open source" | Nov 06 17:31 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0 | Nov 06 17:31 |
| fewa | in places like that its good | Nov 06 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Ahhhhhh.. | Nov 06 17:32 |
| fewa | but that sort of thing only takes you so far | Nov 06 17:32 |
| schestowitz | f*ing ads in Youtube | Nov 06 17:32 |
| fewa | schestowitz, ABP | Nov 06 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Lik 25 seconds | Nov 06 17:32 |
| fewa | schestowitz, and only ~6 months ago the said they wouldn't implament prerolls | Nov 06 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It only started this afternoon | Nov 06 17:32 |
| fewa | cause it would scare away users | Nov 06 17:32 |
| fewa | they are already in the rofit, profit, profit mode | Nov 06 17:33 |
| schestowitz | That's fair enough | Nov 06 17:33 |
| schestowitz | I can mute and wait | Nov 06 17:33 |
| fewa | ABP | Nov 06 17:33 |
| fewa | i dont see ads | Nov 06 17:33 |
| fewa | I'm not saying that you should expect alot from any candidate that is democratic | Nov 06 17:34 |
| fewa | and listens | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [16:54] <sebsebseb> it's annoying though that they can't just leave me alone | Nov 06 17:34 |
| fewa | there are alot of people that have to be taken into consideration | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [16:55] <sebsebseb> compuer people yeah, some of them are right idiots at times | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <schestowitz> I see.. | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <schestowitz> catching up | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <sebsebseb> I think that maybe he saw the Ubuntu Membership log for Ubuntu Open Week and thought I trolled a bit with that | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <schestowitz> Fedora irc is like that too, I heard | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <sebsebseb> and that's why he has done this | Nov 06 17:34 |
| fewa | but its a differn't way of viewing things | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <schestowitz> Mandriva is friendly | Nov 06 17:34 |
| fewa | a differn't form of respect | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <schestowitz> I'm there always | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <sebsebseb> by the way if your interested | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <sebsebseb> it's about to be ask Mark | Nov 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <sebsebseb> for Ubuntu Open Week | Nov 06 17:35 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <schestowitz> silly thing | Nov 06 17:35 |
| fewa | but no, i do not come down on Daemon | Nov 06 17:35 |
| fewa | not at all | Nov 06 17:35 |
| fewa | for supporting Obama | Nov 06 17:35 |
| fewa | its like Clair there | Nov 06 17:36 |
| fewa | you need people like that | Nov 06 17:37 |
| fewa | belief in some form of Government | Nov 06 17:37 |
| fewa | its far better than anarchy | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | They don't know who to support | Nov 06 17:37 |
| fewa | *not anarchy | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | To bring change | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Dems hijacked the word | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Of real change | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Like Paul even | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | You want change? That's us! | Nov 06 17:37 |
| fewa | I mean disruption | Nov 06 17:37 |
| schestowitz | That's the idea | Nov 06 17:37 |
| fewa | corporate rule | Nov 06 17:37 |
| fewa | the formal government is far better than that | Nov 06 17:38 |
| fewa | Faux rule | Nov 06 17:38 |
| fewa | looks very similar to Nazi regime | Nov 06 17:38 |
| fewa | schestowitz, its a media campaign | Nov 06 17:38 |
| fewa | of misinformation | Nov 06 17:38 |
| fewa | same people who sell toothpaste, and shampoo | Nov 06 17:39 |
| fewa | and private health insurance | Nov 06 17:39 |
| fewa | sell candidates | Nov 06 17:39 |
| fewa | any bit of realism helps | Nov 06 17:39 |
| fewa | just dont big disallusioned in Obama, any anyone else | Nov 06 17:39 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <schestowitz> Pretending he's a God | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:02] <schestowitz> the "ask Mark" ceremony | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:02] <sebsebseb> there will be silly questions, but I will ask him serious stuff | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:02] <schestowitz> akin to "signature limited edition" BS of Vista and Vista7 | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:02] <sebsebseb> heh heh yeah I know what you mean | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:02] <sebsebseb> a few of us say stuff like that in our little hang out channel at times, but damn ikonia is there right so uhmm | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:04] <sebsebseb> you should check out the log | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:04] <sebsebseb> for the Ubuntu membership :) | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:04] <sebsebseb> I annoyed some woman when doing that, a community member, but also freenode staff | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [17:04] <sebsebseb> plus earlier when I was complaining that not enough questions had been copied in for another session, and she was like that's not fair... | Nov 06 17:40 |
| schestowitz | fewa: HuffPost Editor: Fox News Is 24/7 Campaign Against Obama Admin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAwqRqPpccM | Nov 06 17:40 |
| fewa | dont need an editor to say that | Nov 06 17:41 |
| fewa | its self-evident | Nov 06 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 06 17:42 |
| schestowitz | But... | Nov 06 17:42 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "crackpot" 'conspiracy theory' | Nov 06 17:42 |
| fewa | Brave New Films is really on the dot | Nov 06 17:43 |
| fewa | they know what they are doing | Nov 06 17:43 |
| fewa | and are doing it well | Nov 06 17:43 |
| fewa | as long as you can keep the attention on the real issues things will get better | Nov 06 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | [21:02] <sebsebseb> turns out | Nov 06 21:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:02] <sebsebseb> he wasn't spying on me | Nov 06 21:23 |
| schestowitz | [21:02] <sebsebseb> by the way | Nov 06 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Nov 06 21:23 |
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| fewa | Microsoft is rent 12:00 http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2009/11/6/philosopher_and_cultural_theorist_slavoj_iek_speaks_at_cooper_union_in_new_york_city | Nov 07 02:59 |
| fewa | understands what BillG is doing | Nov 07 02:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll look tomorrow | Nov 07 03:03 |
| fewa | in context of total economy | Nov 07 03:04 |
| fewa | rent is what oil was always about | Nov 07 04:09 |
| oiaohm | The kubuntu image I have here that is dead schestowitz is a real freak even. It turns out the multi part downloader i coded up years ago got damaged only recently. Guess what was the first file I downloaded with it. | Nov 07 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Now the odds of something like that damaging a file and not altering the MD5 is insanely low. | Nov 07 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | I wrote to RMS Re: Der Spiegel: Mossad hacked Syrian computer to uncover nuclear site | Nov 09 02:34 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for showing me that, but it doesn't have something that seems | Nov 09 02:34 |
| schestowitz | > crucial to me. | Nov 09 02:34 |
| schestowitz | They broke the encryption in Windows. Also hot in the news today is a story I wrote about one hour ago: | Nov 09 02:34 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/08/cofee-leaks/ | Nov 09 02:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Its called having a master key schestowitz | Nov 09 02:47 |
| oiaohm_ | You can design encryptions with them that the master key exposes how to decode the data. | Nov 09 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 09 03:10 |
| schestowitz | It renders BitLocker kaput | Nov 09 03:10 |
| schestowitz | load average: 10.37, 4.76, 2.85 | Nov 09 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Weird | Nov 09 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Sunday night...? | Nov 09 03:47 |
| schestowitz | Bots. | Nov 09 03:49 |
| schestowitz | 67.195.111.172 - - [08/Nov/2009:19:44:59 -0800] "GET /category/astrum/ HTTP/1.0" 200 90397 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp/3.0; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)" | Nov 09 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Argh.. | Nov 09 04:09 |
| schestowitz | Let's see how I sleep after that terrible film. | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | My cousin in FLorida says: | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | 'Anyone that can sit through all those YouTube Videos is probably a person who enjoys misery and self-abuse. The clinical word for that type of personality, used by psychiatrists, escapes me but the Germans have a term that comes close..."schadenfreude."' | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | 'I found the words below on the Internet and it may apply here, especially to those who worry from moment to moment that nuclear war is inevitable and the world is coming to an end any second now:' | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | '"A bestselling book in America has labeled Britain a nation that is not only unable to experience happiness, but positively relishes being miserable. In The Geography of Bliss, Eric Weiner writes: 'I feel sorry for the Brits. The Brits don't merely enjoy misery, they get off on it.' | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | 'The former New York Times journalist adds: 'In Britain, the happy are few and suspect. For the British, happiness is a transatlantic import. And by transatlantic, they mean American. And by American they mean silly, infantile drivel. Britain is a great place for grumps and most Brits, I suspect, derive a perverse pleasure from their grumpiness." | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | 'So, even of it turns out that the doomsayers were right, who would want to live their live with that sword constantly over your head? | Nov 09 04:10 |
| schestowitz | gn | Nov 09 04:10 |
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| fewa | what film? | Nov 09 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=8197B8DEF93FC7D9&search_query=bbc+documentary | Nov 09 14:49 |
| fewa | The house passed the incredibly weak and principally-void health care bill on Saturday http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/9/house_passes_healthcare_bill_with_amendment | Nov 09 15:17 |
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| fewa | how the hell am i suppose to read this? http://www.cms.hhs.gov/mcbs/downloads/HHC2003section5.pdf | Nov 10 20:45 |
| schestowitz | It's legible... | Nov 10 20:57 |
| fewa | what percentage overall are satisfied? | Nov 10 20:58 |
| schestowitz | No idea. Single-digit would make sense; | Nov 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | The rest are just too stupid to know how they get screwed :-) | Nov 10 21:05 |
| fewa | no, its between 80 and 99& | Nov 10 21:05 |
| schestowitz | The small remainder is the insurance catel | Nov 10 21:05 |
| fewa | ive heard it from politicians and other papers | Nov 10 21:05 |
| fewa | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10172473?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=1 | Nov 10 21:05 |
| fewa | "Satisfaction with medical care among Medicare beneficiaries is found to be generally high (80-90 percent). " | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | Anthony weiner says 97% | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | and i believe it | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | But I cant read that damn data | Nov 10 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Depends what you ask and who you ask | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | schestowitz, there is a central study | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | and what I posted is part of it | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | but its too damn complex | Nov 10 21:06 |
| fewa | thats what Weiner got his number from | Nov 10 21:07 |
| fewa | he stated that | Nov 10 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jan-schakowsky/my-conversation-with-gold_b_348178.html | Nov 10 21:12 |
| fewa | LOL | Nov 10 21:22 |
| fewa | fucking pig | Nov 10 21:22 |
| fewa | *pigs | Nov 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | WHo? GS? | Nov 10 21:23 |
| fewa | the robber barrons who went to her office | Nov 10 21:23 |
| schestowitz | They *Are* bigs... see swine flu story | Nov 10 21:23 |
| fewa | swine flu is all hype | Nov 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Women and children first... haha! Bankers got emergency shots | Nov 10 21:24 |
| fewa | and such feeding and directing of populist outrage is predictable | Nov 10 21:24 |
| fewa | its designed to make people more afraid of the largely imaginary threat of swine flu | Nov 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Population against itself | Nov 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | divide, conquer, distract | Nov 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | People stay at home fearful of flu mutant | Nov 10 21:25 |
| fewa | just like the "public option" | Nov 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Whilst being robbed.... pensions... insurance... | Nov 10 21:25 |
| fewa | http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-and-switch-how-the-“public-option”-was-sold/ | Nov 10 21:25 |
| fewa | 129m-->6m | Nov 10 21:25 |
| fewa | totally destroyed | Nov 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | So that GS can take $20bn in bailout, then pay the same amount in bonuses one year later | Nov 10 21:25 |
| fewa | specifically designed so that it is destined to fail | Nov 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Stiglitz calls them banana republic | Nov 10 21:25 |
| fewa | and a attempt to divide and conquor progressives | Nov 10 21:26 |
| fewa | to stall actual change | Nov 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Like, "if I was in the World Bank [he was], I would say, 'DON'T GIVE THEM ANY MONEY, they are corrupt!'" | Nov 10 21:26 |
| fewa | and entrench the current bonanza to priv wall street | Nov 10 21:26 |
| fewa | its better if it fails | Nov 10 21:26 |
| fewa | it will only prolong the time till single payer is implamnted | Nov 10 21:26 |
| fewa | Obama pressed to take out a state option to institute single payer | Nov 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm watching an Obama video these days | Nov 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | 2 hours long almost | Nov 10 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Part V: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK0B70nO58o&feature=related | Nov 10 21:28 |
| fewa | http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/faultlines/2009/08/20098198463647133.html | Nov 10 21:31 |
| fewa | Obama's War | Nov 10 21:32 |
| fewa | in Capitalism: a love story | Nov 10 21:33 |
| fewa | a congressman called it "A financial coup d'état" | Nov 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I'll watch it later | Nov 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | His popularity sank | Nov 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | From 80% approval/trust to about 40% IIRC | Nov 10 21:34 |
| fewa | thats differnt | Nov 10 21:36 |
| fewa | the media has taken war against him | Nov 10 21:36 |
| fewa | trying to undermine him | Nov 10 21:36 |
| fewa | in the wrong ways | Nov 10 21:36 |
| fewa | to kill enthusiasm for health care, etc | Nov 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Not the media | Nov 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | 'Media' | Nov 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Faux-Durdoch | Nov 10 21:37 |
| schestowitz | *M | Nov 10 21:37 |
| fewa | kill enthusiasm for his empty rhetoric | Nov 10 21:37 |
| fewa | msnbc is a little differn't | Nov 10 21:37 |
| schestowitz | GE likes his policies maybe | Nov 10 21:38 |
| fewa | but all newspapers are unleashing their build-up propaganda | Nov 10 21:39 |
| schestowitz | If it's about the issues, then fine | Nov 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Just not personal | Nov 10 21:40 |
| fewa | they cant attack him as person | Nov 10 21:40 |
| fewa | only faux does that | Nov 10 21:41 |
| fewa | well... | Nov 10 21:41 |
| fewa | its complicated | Nov 10 21:41 |
| fewa | the medical bonanza was particularly complex | Nov 10 21:43 |
| fewa | in how they were able to sell fake "change", change in name only | Nov 10 21:43 |
| fewa | pull the public option bait and switch | Nov 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Promise is not a contract | Nov 10 21:45 |
| fewa | the media never told the public that the option had changed | Nov 10 21:45 |
| fewa | they kept the name the change, while radically changing the substance | Nov 10 21:46 |
| fewa | together with the administrations | Nov 10 21:46 |
| fewa | and even the "opposition" media | Nov 10 21:46 |
| schestowitz | "Greg Palast explains why associating the Taliban with the 9/11 attacks is stretching the facts. His article only states part of the uncertainty. We can't even be sure that the Saudis accused of carrying out the attack were the real attackers, or that the Bush regime was not involved." | Nov 10 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-sep-dec.html#10%20November%202009%20%28Taliban%20does%20not%20equal%209%2F11%29 | Nov 10 21:46 |
| schestowitz | More media lies | Nov 10 21:46 |
| fewa | a was of making citizens complacent | Nov 10 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gregpalast.com/taliban-911-afghanistan-by-hypnosis/ | Nov 10 21:47 |
| fewa | "This error was facilitated by the “public option” movement’s decision to avoid mentioning any details of the “public option” whenever possible." | Nov 10 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Hijacking language to confuse.. | Nov 10 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "shard source"... MSPL... | Nov 10 21:56 |
| fewa | shard | Nov 10 21:56 |
| fewa | lol | Nov 10 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Something with "source"... | Nov 10 21:56 |
| fewa | "Only a sliver of source code!" | Nov 10 21:56 |
| schestowitz | SOmething with "public licence" | Nov 10 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Soemthing with "option" | Nov 10 21:56 |
| schestowitz | "Public option" | Nov 10 21:56 |
| fewa | source code for that which does not matter, propritary for that which does | Nov 10 21:56 |
| fewa | "The best of both worlds!" (sarcasm) | Nov 10 21:57 |
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| trmanco | I feel to bad right now :S | Nov 11 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Leave the computer for a while, go walking | Nov 11 14:28 |
| trmanco | I'm going to have dinner with friends | Nov 11 14:28 |
| trmanco | :'( | Nov 11 14:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.flickr.com/photos/asadotzler/sets/72157622742563294/ | Nov 11 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Ah, issues with your sister? | Nov 11 14:28 |
| trmanco | no | Nov 11 14:29 |
| trmanco | a girl | Nov 11 14:29 |
| trmanco | that is why it hurts so much | Nov 11 14:29 |
| *trmanco can't even read what he types | Nov 11 14:29 | |
| trmanco | tears* | Nov 11 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah, that's why I don't put too many eggs in that basket. | Nov 11 14:31 |
| trmanco | :S | Nov 11 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Could be worse...... http://enews.ferghana.ru/news.php?id=1457 | Nov 11 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Computers are more predictable than girls | Nov 11 14:32 |
| trmanco | that's because we are it's gods | Nov 11 14:32 |
| schestowitz | And if 'she' doesn't work I can wipe and reinstall another one (distro) | Nov 11 14:32 |
| trmanco | we tell it to do something, it will do... no questions asked | Nov 11 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I also don't watch the mainstream TV, which exaggerates relationships | Nov 11 14:33 |
| trmanco | I don't either | Nov 11 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Basically keeping my mind off all that other stuff | Nov 11 14:33 |
| trmanco | lately, I haven't thought about anything but her | Nov 11 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Unless you lost something, there's nothing to worry about. Connections b/w people are like stuff on Digg/Facebooks | Nov 11 14:34 |
| trmanco | it's been going for more than a month | Nov 11 14:34 |
| schestowitz | COnnections comes and go.. so is life | Nov 11 14:34 |
| schestowitz | The only connections that stay forever are family | Nov 11 14:34 |
| trmanco | sometimes not even family | Nov 11 14:34 |
| trmanco | ... | Nov 11 14:34 |
| schestowitz | And others tell me this too cause it turns out that no-one in my school kept touch w/ anyone | Nov 11 14:34 |
| trmanco | I still keep in touch with some people from canada | Nov 11 14:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: so that's why you've been busy :-) | Nov 11 14:35 |
| trmanco | friends and gals of mine | Nov 11 14:35 |
| trmanco | yeah | Nov 11 14:35 |
| schestowitz | The Internets have you back now | Nov 11 14:35 |
| trmanco | that is why everything stopped | Nov 11 14:35 |
| schestowitz | It's a win to computing | Nov 11 14:35 |
| trmanco | it always has been there | Nov 11 14:35 |
| schestowitz | You're still young, you don't need to worry about it | Nov 11 14:36 |
| schestowitz | If you're 44 and ageing or a 26 y-o girl, then it's different | Nov 11 14:36 |
| trmanco | 44 :O | Nov 11 14:37 |
| trmanco | :-P | Nov 11 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, something like that | Nov 11 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Men can fish for a soul mate for ages | Nov 11 14:37 |
| schestowitz | I'm not worried at 27 and I'm hardly looking, either | Nov 11 14:38 |
| trmanco | yeah | Nov 11 14:38 |
| schestowitz | cost of entry=cost of exit | Nov 11 14:38 |
| schestowitz | happiness is a baseline thing | Nov 11 14:38 |
| schestowitz | If it goes up, it _will_ go down | Nov 11 14:38 |
| trmanco | it's easy to go up | Nov 11 14:39 |
| trmanco | it's really hard to go down and let it go | Nov 11 14:39 |
| trmanco | :S | Nov 11 14:39 |
| schestowitz | To some people it's drugs | Nov 11 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Then rehab | Nov 11 14:40 |
| trmanco | never done that crap | Nov 11 14:41 |
| trmanco | and never will :-P | Nov 11 14:41 |
| trmanco | drugs are for the weak | Nov 11 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Or depressed | Nov 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Making it worse | Nov 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Same with the drug called "alcohol" | Nov 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | well | Nov 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | I take that | Nov 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | to chill out | Nov 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | and sometimes to lose my shyness | Nov 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | that is also for the weak | Nov 11 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Me too, but not as often as I used to. Alcohol is harmful to body and brain, not just mood swings | Nov 11 14:42 |
| trmanco | I'm weak... I'm shy... it makes me loosen up a bit | Nov 11 14:43 |
| trmanco | yeah, it's hard for the brain | Nov 11 14:43 |
| trmanco | I need mine :-P | Nov 11 14:43 |
| trmanco | I only started to drink this year so... | Nov 11 14:43 |
| trmanco | I have no bad habits | Nov 11 14:44 |
| trmanco | and I only drink when I go out with friends | Nov 11 14:44 |
| trmanco | a beer or something | Nov 11 14:44 |
| trmanco | well, maybe more than one :-P | Nov 11 14:44 |
| trmanco | other than that | Nov 11 14:44 |
| trmanco | I've been drinking water for a month... I haven't gone out lately | Nov 11 14:45 |
| trmanco | because I had other thing to think about... | Nov 11 14:45 |
| trmanco | no I guess I'm free again | Nov 11 14:45 |
| trmanco | now* | Nov 11 14:45 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 11 14:46 |
| schestowitz | It's nice outside today.. | Nov 11 14:46 |
| schestowitz | But... | Nov 11 14:46 |
| trmanco | here too | Nov 11 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I'm sticking with the kayboard | Nov 11 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I have two backup keyboards too | Nov 11 14:47 |
| trmanco | :) | Nov 11 14:47 |
| schestowitz | See? No betrayal | Nov 11 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Also fallback PC | Nov 11 14:47 |
| trmanco | keyboards are good friends | Nov 11 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Keyboards cheap on you... | Nov 11 14:47 |
| schestowitz | *cheat | Nov 11 14:47 |
| trmanco | I love my keyboard (even though it has a microsoft logo on it) :-P yeah yeah, I use to be a fanboy too | Nov 11 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Those filthy keyboards! | Nov 11 14:48 |
| trmanco | mouse too | Nov 11 14:48 |
| trmanco | I almost broke my keyboard one playing a game | Nov 11 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu, powered by Microsoft | Nov 11 14:48 |
| trmanco | I hit the Esc key with my full closed hand | Nov 11 14:49 |
| trmanco | and I broke those things that hold the keyboard higher... | Nov 11 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I had issues too | Nov 11 14:55 |
| schestowitz | When trying to clean it | Nov 11 14:55 |
| schestowitz | I popped something out, took me_hours_ to fix it | Nov 11 14:55 |
| schestowitz | But I found a better keyboard | Nov 11 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Very, very cheap one... yet better in terms of contact | Nov 11 14:55 |
| schestowitz | She's a real something !!1 | Nov 11 14:55 |
| trmanco | :) | Nov 11 14:56 |
| schestowitz | She's got that magic touch | Nov 11 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't stutter around her (fewer typos) | Nov 11 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Poor Steven..."Last Friday my network connection started turning on me. It never completely failed. Instead, it started torturing me with a thousand cuts of minor slowdowns and nagging latency delays. By Saturday morning, my network connection was down to dial-up modem speeds of 32Kbit/sec." | Nov 11 15:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140606/Torments_of_the_Internet_damned | Nov 11 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Nov 11 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I'm so lucky on this network | Nov 11 15:31 |
| schestowitz | basKet dev quit? http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/All-my-eggs-in-one-Basket | Nov 11 17:02 |
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| _goblin | hi! | Nov 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Timmy from COLA stalks IRC and talks about you today: http://twitter.com/tim_smith/status/5628807308 | Nov 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Look at his account | Nov 11 22:56 |
| _goblin | yeah I saw.... | Nov 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | He's chummy with de Icaza too | Nov 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Tim Smith is a Microsoft apologist/troll | Nov 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | In COLA he's delisted for it | Nov 11 22:57 |
| _goblin | Ive got that for the comments section if anything further is made of it. | Nov 11 22:57 |
| _goblin | is this channel private? | Nov 11 22:57 |
| fewa | look at user list | Nov 11 23:00 |
| fewa | thats who is here | Nov 11 23:00 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: we use it for things like comms when there's DDOS | Nov 11 23:03 |
| schestowitz | That's kinda what we used it a lot for | Nov 11 23:03 |
| _goblin | is it logged? | Nov 11 23:04 |
| schestowitz | No. | Nov 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | [23:54] <tessier> I kinda wish we could ban people who are just here to troll or call names. They make the channel much less fun. :( | Nov 12 00:33 |
| schestowitz | [23:54] <schestowitz> Oh | Nov 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | [23:54] <schestowitz> I wasn't paying attention | Nov 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | [23:55] <tessier> Well, he ended up leaving on his own. | Nov 12 00:34 |
| schestowitz | [23:55] <tessier> So no matter. | Nov 12 00:34 |
| fewa | anyways, I should give up | Nov 12 01:14 |
| fewa | this channel attracts trolls | Nov 12 01:15 |
| fewa | amazing how much the human race has a tendency to hinder its own understanding, when that understanding goes against someone's self interest | Nov 12 01:16 |
| schestowitz | It looks like another hostile takeover by the Linus*x boyz | Nov 12 01:18 |
| schestowitz | I'll kick them out if they don't leave | Nov 12 01:18 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 12 01:18 |
| fewa | they all joined at once | Nov 12 01:18 |
| fewa | please kick, i need my clima | Nov 12 01:28 |
| fewa | if only they owuld do something productive | Nov 12 01:35 |
| schestowitz | YouTube tests skippable pre-roll ads http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/youtube_tests_skippable_preroll_ads/ | Nov 12 01:43 |
| *fewa tests ad-block plus | Nov 12 01:44 | |
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| MinceR | if it isn't logged, why does the topic say it is? :> | Nov 12 07:15 |
| fewa | just not publically | Nov 12 07:17 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 12 07:17 |
| fewa | idl | Nov 12 07:17 |
| fewa | for people who enter spuriously... | Nov 12 07:18 |
| fewa | sans Daemon there are intelligent people in that channel.... | Nov 12 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Doomsday | Nov 12 08:53 |
| fewa | just so distressingly nurotic | Nov 12 08:54 |
| fewa | needs something else to spend time on | Nov 12 08:55 |
| fewa | not suited for intelect venues | Nov 12 08:55 |
| fewa | but US is void of such avenues.... | Nov 12 08:55 |
| fewa | been drenched of meaningful work | Nov 12 08:56 |
| fewa | work where people can feel part of something larger | Nov 12 08:56 |
| fewa | the atomization | Nov 12 08:56 |
| fewa | what was so great about that "the trap" film you showed me | Nov 12 08:56 |
| fewa | thats a lesson an American audience I believe craves | Nov 12 08:56 |
| fewa | the atomization of American society is quite dramatic | Nov 12 08:57 |
| fewa | getting above that will be important to rise above corps and politicians that feed off it | Nov 12 08:58 |
| fewa | a resurgance of traditional American populism | Nov 12 09:00 |
| fewa | I think it will happen, question is its limits, and how fragmented | Nov 12 09:00 |
| fewa | I need to start a blog | Nov 12 09:01 |
| fewa | I just have so much to say I don't know where to start | Nov 12 09:01 |
| fewa | how poinent | Nov 12 09:01 |
| fewa | or how aimed at specific topics | Nov 12 09:01 |
| schestowitz | "century of the self" | Nov 12 09:03 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 12 09:03 |
| fewa | which century? | Nov 12 09:03 |
| fewa | depression built collectivism in US, which was radically formed by WW2 | Nov 12 09:04 |
| fewa | radical increases in standard of living through the 50s enables the social changes of the late 60s | Nov 12 09:05 |
| schestowitz | Post-ww2 was good time for the US | Nov 12 09:05 |
| fewa | which were all taken collectively | Nov 12 09:05 |
| schestowitz | The rest were reconstructing | Nov 12 09:05 |
| fewa | schestowitz, yes, manufacturing superiority | Nov 12 09:05 |
| fewa | but with most top down system | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | that is forgotten | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | the strength of industry applied a rigity to society | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | which had been destroyed elsewhere | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | thats why US doesn't have a nationalized health care system | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | unlike all of Europe | Nov 12 09:06 |
| fewa | amazing that the social movements came from the most organized society | Nov 12 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > What day would be best to launch a request in Ubuntu launch pad (or | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > brainstorm) to swap out Tomboy and replace it with Gnote or another | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > tool? It'd be nice if FSDaily could pick it up a day or half day | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > before you point to it. It'd be necessary to have a lot of support to | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > bypass the monoguard. I guess some of the objective would be to use the | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > pursuit of a technological issue to highlight the ideological agenda | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > behind the monoguard. It can also be a test to see how much cleanup | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Ubuntu staffing needs. | Nov 12 16:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to be seen as lobbying. | Nov 12 16:28 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine, Steve, was framed by a colleague using lies and provocation. I had to ask a friend to protect Steve him from the bosses. This is some ugly stuff... | Nov 12 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Some dude tries to get him fired... :-o | Nov 12 21:43 |
| fewa | geeze | Nov 12 22:06 |
| MinceR | geese | Nov 12 22:08 |
| fewa | goose | Nov 12 22:10 |
| fewa | fleece | Nov 12 22:10 |
| MinceR | flooce | Nov 12 22:12 |
| schestowitz | booze | Nov 12 22:16 |
| MinceR | bees | Nov 12 22:16 |
| fewa | bees! | Nov 12 22:19 |
| MinceR | bees!! | Nov 12 22:44 |
| schestowitz | fewa: 've just been mailed healthcare SPAM | Nov 12 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Let me show you the scum... | Nov 12 23:44 |
| schestowitz | "Stopping Healthcare-Associated Infections" | Nov 12 23:44 |
| schestowitz | "Hi Roy | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "One thing everyone can agree on, no matter where they come down on the current health care debates, is that no one should get sick as a result of visiting the doctor. | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "Hospitals are rightfully expected to get you better but that's not always the case. Sometimes people are picking up infections, from pneumonia to antibiotic-resistant staph (MRSA), while under treatment for other health problems, or even while just in the hospital having a baby. That's a situation that could, and should, be completely avoidable. | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "Kimberly-Clark Health Care is on the forefront of protecting patients from Healthcare-Associated Infections (HAI) and has put together a site dedicated to that prevention called HAI Watch: Not on My Watch. The site has information for both healthcare professionals and healthcare consumers. | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "I would like to ask for your help getting the word out on Boycott Novell. Here's a microsite which explains everything. Please use any of the images, logos, videos, etc, on your site: | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | " http://www.haiwatchnews.com/ | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "Please let me know if you have any questions and if you are able to post, I'd really appreciated it if you'd send me the link. | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you, Barbara | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "Barbara Dunn barbara@haiwatchnews.com www.haiwatch.com | Nov 12 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Why would they mail it _to me_? | Nov 12 23:46 |
| schestowitz | And how did they get my E-mail? For a moment there I thought it was someone from the IRC channel. | Nov 12 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Detlef Eckert | Nov 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | > Interesting person to dig up or talk to, he was hired and silenced by | Nov 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | > Microsoft and now is back at the Commision, looking for revenge... ;-) | Nov 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | "I'll put a placeholder and watch out for the name; hopefully, as I stumble upon the name in the future I'll be able to connect some dots and profile the objective pattern of deeds. | Nov 13 15:54 |
| schestowitz | "When one's interests are exposed, s/he's paralysed when it comes to shilling (too much blowback, see Alex Brown for example). | Nov 13 15:54 |
| MinceR | wow, it finally has some use >> http://thereifixedit.com/2009/11/12/at-least-it-isnt-propping-open-windows/ | Nov 13 16:41 |
| MinceR | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AuTEvUYi4Ms/SvOo4bRBDwI/AAAAAAAAA5c/y0mqjr-yhZw/s1600-h/ubuntu_pumpkin_jack-o-lantern.jpg | Nov 13 16:55 |
| schestowitz | "There, I fixed it" | Nov 13 17:03 |
| MinceR | do we have a pastebin already? :) | Nov 13 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Oops. No. But this was short | Nov 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | i didn't mean to refer to that. | Nov 13 19:26 |
| MinceR | http://pastebin.com/m330637f9 | Nov 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I could install a pastebin, I guess, but what for? Same with URL shortener | Nov 13 19:38 |
| *MinceR shrugs | Nov 13 19:40 | |
| MinceR | i just remember it was discussed | Nov 13 19:40 |
| fewa | meh | Nov 13 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Hem | Nov 13 22:05 |
| MinceR | MeH | Nov 13 22:07 |
| *schestowitz jumps up and down very mad | Nov 13 22:08 | |
| fewa | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-12-2009/sean-hannity-apologizes-to-jon | Nov 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGA9ZUEa3ZY | Nov 13 23:23 |
| fewa | LOL | Nov 14 00:03 |
| fewa | thats pretty halarious | Nov 14 00:04 |
| fewa | EVERYTHING IS OK | Nov 14 00:06 |
| fewa | im going to make a sign like that | Nov 14 00:07 |
| fewa | very nilist | Nov 14 00:12 |
| fewa | *nihilist | Nov 14 00:12 |
| fewa | "statistically speaking, the person next to you is either a terrorist or has swine flu" | Nov 14 00:18 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | My dad told me about this film | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | I haven't watched it yet | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | But it's on my list | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Stewart I can never watch | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | US-only | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Needs FoxProxy | Nov 14 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Needs FoxyProxy | Nov 14 00:59 |
| fewa | ahh yes | Nov 14 01:01 |
| fewa | use to all be on YouTUbe | Nov 14 01:01 |
| fewa | but now they sue | Nov 14 01:01 |
| fewa | they do broadcast internationally | Nov 14 01:01 |
| fewa | like i had to start downloading mercer report cause the site wouldn't let me watch it | Nov 14 01:02 |
| fewa | great example of irrational control | Nov 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | No worries. | Nov 14 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Today I watches over an hour of Carpenters documentaries | Nov 14 01:02 |
| fewa | like wood workers ? | Nov 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | YouTube has not 'run out' out of material yet :-) | Nov 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: band | Nov 14 01:03 |
| fewa | schestowitz, exactly, thats why it is irrational | Nov 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Two BBC docus | Nov 14 01:03 |
| schestowitz | One from the 90s, one 7 y-o | Nov 14 01:03 |
| *fewa think that must have been soooo interesting | Nov 14 01:03 | |
| schestowitz | Ganghi [sic] Kahn | Nov 14 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Some history lessons on that too | Nov 14 01:04 |
| fewa | you must study the 50s, 60s, 70s | Nov 14 01:04 |
| fewa | and the 30s | Nov 14 01:04 |
| fewa | also 20s | Nov 14 01:04 |
| fewa | far more interesting than anything that has happened recently | Nov 14 01:04 |
| fewa | like 20-35, and 1965-1980 | Nov 14 01:05 |
| fewa | thats when history happened | Nov 14 01:05 |
| fewa | 20s-35s to understand today, and 1965-1980 for insight on what to do with it | Nov 14 01:06 |
| fewa | what to aspire to | Nov 14 01:06 |
| fewa | after 1980 was just the unraveling | Nov 14 01:07 |
| fewa | quite mundane | Nov 14 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Iran executes Kurdish activist http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/11/iran-executes-kurdish-activist | Nov 14 01:24 |
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| fewa | infact the first reound is even more interesting | Nov 14 06:53 |
| fewa | 1950-1920 | Nov 14 06:54 |
| fewa | culminating with Teddy Roosevelt | Nov 14 06:54 |
| fewa | and similar type of populist | Nov 14 06:54 |
| fewa | but also strong state control | Nov 14 06:55 |
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| schestowitz | [22:29] <MikeyC> The whole 'provoking' angle that Steve is pursuing as justification for hitting the guy is 'in my opinion' very doubtable. | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to Mike for two hours today at the gym... turns out our mutual friend is lucky to still have his job | Nov 14 17:05 |
| MinceR | http://failblog.org/2009/11/14/quality-fail-3/ | Nov 14 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 14 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://failblog.org/2009/11/14/quality-fail-3/ | Nov 14 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I should maybe read it daily... | Nov 14 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I just got mail, "hello my dear" | Nov 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "Hello Dear, " | Nov 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "I thought to send you this proposal with the arm to transfer my herited estate of $18.000.000(Million USD) to your country for investments to enable me continue my studies and to reside there while you take care of our investments." | Nov 14 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Jackpot. | Nov 14 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://riowang.blogspot.com/2009/11/cemetery-visit.html | Nov 15 20:46 |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153995 | Nov 15 21:39 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* "The region's socialist government has launched a €14,000 (£12,600) campaign aimed at teaching young people how best to set about "sexual self-exploration and the discovery of self-pleasure" – or to put it less delicately: masturbation." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/12/spain-sex-education | Nov 15 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | As a follow up to some discussions during the last year, I've posted | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | this bug / feature request: | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/483502 | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Now is the time that 10.04 LTS is being put together. | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It'd probably be least aggravating to the monoguard if it doesn't | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | surface on BoycottNovell for a long time. However, there are many other | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | forums where it would help to be seen. | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 17:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | > > http://np237.livejournal.com/26149.html | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Who is that whiner? | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | If Gnote is not being maintained then it can be dropped and replaced | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | with a better package: | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Zim | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://zim-wiki.org/ | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Knotes | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://userbase.kde.org/KNotes | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Basket | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://basket.kde.org/ | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | GTG | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://gtg.fritalk.com/ | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | If it weren't for all the fuss that the Microsofters (monomaniacs they | Nov 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | injected into FOSS teams) make about Gnote/Tomboy, it would have been | Nov 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | long forgotten. There isn't any reason to keep talking about it except | Nov 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | that the Microsofters have an ideological axe to grind and on that basis | Nov 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | object to Zim, GTG, Knotes, and Basket. | Nov 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Input: | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | >> http://np237.livejournal.com/26149.html | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > Also spot the One Microsoft Way of thinking in his rant there. For him the only solution is a denial of service against developers. He and his buddies make an inadequate tool, Tomboy, that's not up to the quality or licensing requirements of linux and his proposed solution is that real programmers waste their time cleaning up. | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > Jono tried an admirable thing, if only naively so, in trying to bring Microsofters in out of the cold. However, employees (even volunteer ones) aren't always a good fit and a time does come where it is necessary to admit that skillsets and goals just are a right fit. Time to let them go. | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > If Jono doesn't like being the heavy then he can always kick the task upstairs. I believe that Mark still has an interest in trying to keep Ubuntu and Canonical a success. Despite the damage to the code base, the damage to the reputation, the aggravation and the bad feelings that the mono club seems to have gone out of their way to cause, it's not important whether or not they go away mad, only that they go away. | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | > Of course there really is no 'away', they'll be around but it will help Ubuntu and Debian to have them out of the legitimate contributors collective hair. | Nov 16 20:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: half an hour ago: | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Would you like to review either of Smith MIcro's popular Mac productivity software - Spring Cleaning 10 or Internet Cleanup 5? Below is a media alert announcing enhancements to the software and compatibility with Mac OS X Snow Leopard. | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Please let me know if I can forward a review unit of either (or both) product - thanks! | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Maggie | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > ------------------------------- | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Maggie Quale | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > FortyThree PR | Nov 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | crap cleaner utilities? | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > 831 252-9491 | Nov 16 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > maggie@fortythreepr.com | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Should I refer this to you? Y'know... to run on your MAC?????? | Nov 16 20:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | That they sent is to me shows they just spam this without checking | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I got another PR spam today | Nov 16 20:30 |
| MinceR | well, you're just a statistic now :> | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Twice even | Nov 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | They put in my mail twice in their to-spam list | Nov 16 20:30 |
| MinceR | "we've forwarded your letter to 289347923 addresses!" | Nov 16 20:30 |
| MinceR | same address or aliases? | Nov 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | To: roy@schestowitz.com | Nov 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | From: Christie Denniston <cdenniston@catapultpr-ir.com> | Nov 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Subject: LTech Announces New Features for Power Panel for Google Apps | Nov 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Nov 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: same address, 3 minutes apart | Nov 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Different press release for proprietary junk | Nov 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Can PR agencies be reported as spammers? | Nov 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | I mean, they are easy to fine, they have a registered address | Nov 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "We're not AstroTurfers... We're PUBLIC RELATIONS" | Nov 16 20:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Android 'support' for Linux... http://neversfelde.de/?p=42 | Nov 16 21:26 |
| MinceR | wow, syncing without google fog? | Nov 16 21:27 |
| MinceR | pft, todos still aren't synced | Nov 16 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Windows lusers discover wllpaper rotator? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/wally-an-incredible-cross-platform-wallpaper-rotation-app/ | Nov 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | it supports gnu/linux as well, apparently | Nov 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Plasma-desktop also | Nov 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I used to hate separation b/w screen | Nov 16 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Now I like it better than before | Nov 16 21:32 |
| trmanco | LOL | Nov 16 21:32 |
| trmanco | that's so 1996 | Nov 16 21:32 |
| trmanco | how about animated wallpapers | Nov 16 21:32 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure i'd want to take the cpu hit of that :> | Nov 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-to-startstop-disable-services-in.html | Nov 16 21:33 |
| trmanco | heh | Nov 16 21:33 |
| trmanco | buy one, just for the wallpaper :-P | Nov 16 21:33 |
| MinceR | then again, it might not be significant anymore | Nov 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Some pople buy wallpapers | Nov 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I had those in 1998 | Nov 16 21:33 |
| MinceR | and you can run stuff like matrix in the root window already :> | Nov 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Trial version for bloody images | Nov 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | With some VB program to swap them | Nov 16 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Payware | Nov 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | bloody images ftw | Nov 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | which one is payware? | Nov 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Blood? | Nov 16 21:34 |
| schestowitz | For the BSDM crowd, I guess | Nov 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | http://vuni.net/1600x1200/infestation_ii.jpg | Nov 16 21:36 |
| MinceR | ;) | Nov 16 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Yum. Strawberry riverr | Nov 16 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Good talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcvjoWOwnn4&feature=related | Nov 16 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Linux racks | Nov 17 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://cloudynews.com/2009/11/16/rackspace-ceo-says-cloud-computing-is-a-game-changer/ | Nov 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | "For this past quarter, cloud revenues were 10 pecent of the company’s total sales; they have grown 100 percent from the prior year." | Nov 17 13:08 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft / Ancora / Miki Mullor Litigation" | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Dear Mr. Schestowitz | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Nov 17 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | In early February 2009 you published a story regarding charges Microsoft has brought against me in Superior Court of State of Washington in Seattle. | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Nov 17 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | Please be advised that the case between Microsoft and Mullor/Ancora has been resolved, see www.ancoratech.com/news.htm. | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Nov 17 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | We would request that you remove the article from your web site or at least update your article indicating that all matters have been resolved between the parties. | Nov 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Nov 17 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | Thank you, | Nov 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Nov 17 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | Miki Mullor | Nov 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Chairman, Ancora Technologies Inc. | Nov 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm not changing anything | Nov 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They try revisionist, see? | Nov 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | He even sent me a copy of the page, as PDF | Nov 17 19:04 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <sebsebseb> hi | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] * schestowitz waves back | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <sebsebseb> yeah uhmm | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <sebsebseb> since I put 9.10 on here recently | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <sebsebseb> and am not fully set up properly yet | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <sebsebseb> including IRC | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <schestowitz> Come to #boycottnovell-social | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <sebsebseb> when I got kicked off Freenode earlier or whatever, it re joined me, but with hostname showing | Nov 17 19:31 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Nov 17 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm this channel gets publically logged as well? | Nov 17 19:38 |
| schestowitz | It's mostly for routine use and was never published outside | Nov 17 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well the topic | Nov 17 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | says it is | Nov 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It's the same topic as main channel | Nov 17 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah | Nov 17 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | well | Nov 17 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | if it's not logged | Nov 17 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | publically | Nov 17 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | it shoudn't say that it isi | Nov 17 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/18/student_loan_grief/ | Nov 18 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Issues in general inn UK economy | Nov 18 16:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hi | Nov 18 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: hi | Nov 18 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Nov 18 17:09 |
| MinceR | :/ | Nov 18 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Nov 18 17:16 |
| schestowitz | > PS. The hole in Bing is about the same as last year's Danske Bank | Nov 18 17:17 |
| schestowitz | > catastrophe. It was actually a consortium of banks, but we'll call it | Nov 18 17:17 |
| schestowitz | > DB, who fell victim to MS Sharepoint's security. DB's business and | Nov 18 17:17 |
| schestowitz | > individual customers lost an inestimable amount of money by having | Nov 18 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > inaccessible or pillagable online accounts. AFAIK the amount these | Nov 18 17:18 |
| schestowitz | > customers lost has not been published it is so big. | Nov 18 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Can i write about it publicly? | Nov 18 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | bad news guys | Nov 18 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | a Florida villa site I made, got replaced with a damn frontpage site | Nov 18 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: MinceR trmanco | Nov 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz | New designer? | Nov 18 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Hundreds of uninvestigated Iraqi abuse claims against troops, says lawyer http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/14/iraq-abuse-claims-british-troops | Nov 18 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah he got some shitty web design business, to make a new site | Nov 18 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: been there :-) | Nov 18 22:43 |
| schestowitz | At least you had many people see your work :-) | Nov 18 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Mine was changed after 7 years when it aged and I didn't want to maintain it | Nov 18 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well | Nov 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | it was a basic site | Nov 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | it was made in 2004 | Nov 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | updated last time in 2006 after he wanted that | Nov 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | so it lasted a few years | Nov 18 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but being replaced with a Frontpage site is a joke, since the bad code etc | Nov 18 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | I hand coded the site I made | Nov 18 22:45 |
| schestowitz | FrontPage is a dying product | Nov 18 22:45 |
| schestowitz | People use Web-based tools now | Nov 18 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Google pages, Blogspot, WordPress blogs, etc. | Nov 18 22:45 |
| schestowitz | DreamWeaver too is on life supply | Nov 18 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I don't think Dreamweaver will be going away anytime soon | Nov 19 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Not soon, but nothing lasts forever | Nov 19 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | This next one will be funny... | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | > ||| Wait off on it. I will send you something this evening at 6:00 ... | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | > feel free to rehash and add you own content ||| | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | > I have a better idea. We could write it up like one of those internal memos. One between billg and Nathan. About how they discuss the threat from Google and how to strangle them er compete I mean :) | Nov 19 05:03 |
| schestowitz | > They then come up with the strategy of bending Murdochs ear and filling him with anti-Google venom. Then they get Murdoch to attack Google in public and move his content to Bing. It's a win-win situation. | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > me talking : Of course if the Murdochs Internet comes to pass it'll be the end of free discourse. Imagine everything on the Intenet being like Fox News <aaaah> Murdoch don't like anyone except himself, who is making money out of the media. | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > In that respect he's just like billg. In this current economic downturn, advertising is low. So his strategy seems to be to gouge the others. Notice he don't like the BBC either. Remember sometime back , using the courts, he tried (successfully) to strangle the BBCs Internet TV service. If MurdSoft ever get control of the InterTUBES, we're f*** cked ... | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > See also on Murdochs 'vision' for the Intenet .. | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7GkJqRv3BI | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to add-to or include my previous stuff. Make sure it's written in the first-person. eg from nathan to billg .. :) | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > Just take my paragraphs and insert past quotes from bill and nathan only change the subject to refer to Google and 'MegaNews InterContenental' | Nov 19 05:04 |
| schestowitz | > or else hold off until we get it right ... | Nov 19 05:04 |
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| schestowitz | PS. There's some claims that the monoguard has suckered Ubuntu into | Nov 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | dropping Gimp and using Mono instead. I find it hard to believe that | Nov 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is that f-ing stupid. | Nov 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | ^^QUOTE | Nov 19 15:55 |
| schestowitz | People are angry | Nov 19 15:56 |
| MinceR | is anything going to change? | Nov 19 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Wow. PR puppets... | Nov 19 17:08 |
| schestowitz | > Hi again Roy | Nov 19 17:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:08 |
| schestowitz | > I didn't hear back from you after my email last week and I wanted to make sure you had received it. I would like you and the readers of Boycott Novell to learn more about protecting patients from preventable hospital infections so I've created a useful site that you're welcome to check out and grab resources from: | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > http://haiwatchnews.com | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > Healthcare-associated infections (HAIs) are a global crisis. Recognizing the rapid growth in cases of infection like MRSA and ventilator-associated pneumonia being picked up in hospitals, Kimblery-Clark Healthcare has put together a website called "Not on My Watch" at www.haiwatch.com to educate patients and healthcare professionals. Their goal is to eliminate these preventable illnesses and their often tragic | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | consequences. | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > Please let me know if you have any questions. If you are able to post about this, I'd really appreciate it if you'd send me the link. | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for your time, | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > Barbara | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > -- | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > Barbara Dunn | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > barbara@haiwatchnews.com | Nov 19 17:09 |
| schestowitz | > www.haiwatch.com | Nov 19 17:09 |
| MinceR | OH HAIwatch | Nov 19 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like AstoTurg | Nov 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | *turf | Nov 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > Can this same piece of 1990 legislation be used to round up any security | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > consultants that allow people to stay on Windows? | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > "Officers from the Metropolitan Police's Central e-Crime Unit have made | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > Europe's first arrests in the battle against the ZeuS or Zbot Trojan | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > which threatened to compromise thousands of computers. Officers arrested | Nov 19 21:02 |
| schestowitz | > a man and woman, both aged 20 years, in Manchester for offenses under | Nov 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | > the 1990 Computer Misuse Act and the 2006 Fraud Act. | Nov 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw it... Manchester. | Nov 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Manchester hit the spotlight when there was Conficker disaster also. | Nov 19 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | >> The Reg Slog against Google appears to be continuing. I can't help | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | >> wondering if it's a calculated move. | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/google_chrome_os/ | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | > Try and post a conmment and see if it shows us, I do know mine don't | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | > show up on other articles .. | Nov 20 14:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Boy the idiots there did not watch the google video carefully. | Nov 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Part way through they accessed a USB stick. | Nov 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Ok upload only in the demo. | Nov 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | But if that gets download feature means to back up your online stuff. Hmm. | Nov 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I see.... | Nov 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Any particular reason javascript applications could not be running from a inserted usb key using google gears. | Nov 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Core OS might be locked solid but chrome OS might not be as limited as some of those people think. | Nov 20 14:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141183/Google_goes_for_speed_security_in_Chrome_OS?source=rss_opsys | Nov 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | s | Nov 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | What if you want to change windows manager. | Nov 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Big issue here. Backup solution really needs to be WM netural. | Nov 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Yah | Nov 20 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah. I never liked it | Nov 20 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | > "If you look carefully, you will see that one of the emails [PDF] we | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > posted on that last article is now referenced in Novell's Response as | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > footnote 4 (I think the Hassid affidavit has transposed 4 and 5, by | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > the way)" | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > That's one of ours :) | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091119122938621 | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > ot: Your site does contain a lot of usefull information and links. | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > Unfortunatly therre is so much of it, it's hard to find. What you | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > could do, as in the current Novell case, is write up a para on the | Nov 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | > Wiki mentioning the curent Novell case and then include links to other | Nov 20 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > BN sources and external links. That way you make it easier for anyone | Nov 20 15:17 |
| schestowitz | > else doing a write-up. Else they get their sources direct from MS .. | Nov 20 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Just got this: "Michael Meeks and ex-Sun employee talking about why Mono sucks." | Nov 20 15:17 |
| trmanco | I think I've been traded | Nov 20 19:43 |
| trmanco | :S | Nov 20 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | Gimp being removed | Nov 20 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | from default Ubuntu install's | Nov 20 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | replaced with F-Spot | Nov 20 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | ah | Nov 20 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | wanted to say this in the other channel | Nov 20 20:15 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/20/gimp-removed-from-ubuntu/ | Nov 20 20:56 |
| trmanco | http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os | Nov 20 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | [22:25] <MrF2009> did he lie about my broken arm recently or was it a while back, i need to know if he still has his hatefull psychosis going on now? | Nov 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Paranoia! | Nov 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <MrF2009> Was that Mark Slavin, i haven't spoke to him or met him, but you say he's like Steve? | Nov 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I've PMed you the new password | Nov 20 23:44 |
| schestowitz | > Hello: | Nov 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | > I just happened to browse your personal Web site and, from there, listen to the interview you had recently with Jono Bacon (know I've heard that name before, but can't quite place it.) It seems that it had a fairly positive outcome given that the host had a negative preconception about boycottnovell from the beginning. In particular, I agreed with what he said that, on certain things, we can agree to disagree but that it' | Nov 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | s clear that you have the best interests of free software in mind. | Nov 20 23:46 |
| schestowitz | > It is regretable that you hadn't prepared for this fairly hostile interview. I'd like to think that it was done with a view towards an adversarial interview in the best British tradition. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > The thing I'd like to comment on is their question towards the end "why do you do it?" I remember asking you a similar question once and you gave me what I thought was a very good answer. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > It was after you had become aware of all of the trickery that Microsoft was engaging in with respect to the .doc format and that, while it might be good for Microsoft's short-term bottom line, it can be very damaging for the ability of users to exchange documents. You saw open standards and free software as a way around that problem. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > In the present day, the fight continues not only in document formats (OOXML vs. ODF) but also in multimedia formats (Silverlight vs. Flash vs. OGG/HTML5). You report on the news in such a way as to fill a void and advocate for the needs of the end-user over those of the multi-national corporation. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > While I'm at it, I'll also comment on this other question of which they seemed to be obsessed, which is why, when one does a Google search on your name, does so much negative material come up? You hit on part of the answer, which is the part about the Technical Evangelists and the paid PR agencies. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > They also asked about why so many open source people seemed to be against you. For that, I would say that, on the open source vs. free software debate, you are definitely more on the free software side. Some of your opponents see the free software side as too extreme and fundamentally see nothing wrong with writing code even if doing so promotes proprietary software. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > Since you are so prolific and the debate tends to be a heated one, it is no great surprise that your opponents would direct a good amount of invective your way. | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > Just a couple of thoughts, but good job on the interview! | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers, | Nov 20 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I disliked this interview so much that I never listened to it. But I guess others feel differently. | Nov 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I never really listened to it, not the part where I talk anyway. Heh. | Nov 20 23:48 |
| schestowitz | > I had a bit of free time at work, so I spent it listening to the interview. I was surprised it lasted so long and I certainly understand why you feel that way. | Nov 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > On second thought, I take back what I said about it being a good old fashioned British style adversarial interview (the kind I enjoyed seeing against Bush and Rumsfeld, for instance.) The host came across as a bit too partisan for that. | Nov 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 01:07 |
| schestowitz | > I don't take back that you did yourself a service by patiently trying to answer them. If you had slipped up and didn't give good answers, then I'm sure your opponents would have gleefully jumped on it. As it is, it's good balance to any claims that you are somehow an irrational zealot. | Nov 21 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm....... | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <sebsebseb> so probably a bit annoying for you really, but I would appreciate it if you edited the log like you have done before | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <schestowitz> which one? | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <sebsebseb> uhmm | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <sebsebseb> I guess it will the log for today | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] * schestowitz makes note | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <schestowitz> I'll strip it out tonight | Nov 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <sebsebseb> as for social is anything going on in there? | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <schestowitz> No, but it's less public | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <sebsebseb> yeah I know | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <sebsebseb> less public | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> Trolls watch the main channel for clues | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <sebsebseb> clues about what? | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> -social has circle of social trust | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> clues on DDOS attacks for example | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <sebsebseb> Denial Of Service attacks? | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <sebsebseb> by the way did you talk to ikonia recently? | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:44] <schestowitz> Never. | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <sebsebseb> ok | Nov 21 11:41 |
| trmanco | I'm not saying that I'm not | Nov 21 13:55 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/#/list/trmanco/trolls | Nov 21 13:57 |
| trmanco | I had enough of this shit | Nov 21 13:57 |
| trmanco | I'm already full of problems of my own | Nov 21 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Its pure agressive crap. | Nov 21 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Not that I fear it. | Nov 21 13:58 |
| trmanco | I don't fear it | Nov 21 13:58 |
| trmanco | things have limits | Nov 21 13:58 |
| trmanco | and people also have limits | Nov 21 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Simple buddhist here. | Nov 21 13:59 |
| trmanco | and I'm simply getting tired of this troll crap | Nov 21 13:59 |
| trmanco | I already stopped reading cola because of the trolls | Nov 21 14:00 |
| trmanco | among other things | Nov 21 14:00 |
| trmanco | I've been living under a rock for 2 months | Nov 21 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Would you like someone trying to control exactly what you say trmanco | Nov 21 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Answer no. | Nov 21 14:01 |
| oiaohm | so if they want to say crap they can. | Nov 21 14:01 |
| oiaohm | You know your own sole be happy with it. | Nov 21 14:01 |
| trmanco | I'm talking about there childish actions | Nov 21 14:01 |
| trmanco | it's like racism | Nov 21 14:02 |
| trmanco | stupid "racists" | Nov 21 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Its there choice. You cannot stop a racist from being one just by insulting them. | Nov 21 14:02 |
| trmanco | stupid "novellsists" | Nov 21 14:02 |
| trmanco | I'm not insulting anyone | Nov 21 14:02 |
| trmanco | I never did, just there bloat junk software | Nov 21 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Its miss placed bliefs or bribes trmanco | Nov 21 14:03 |
| trmanco | and the thing is, mono is pure utter crap | Nov 21 14:03 |
| trmanco | . | Nov 21 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know. | Nov 21 14:04 |
| trmanco | why can't they just admit C# sucks | Nov 21 14:04 |
| trmanco | and go to hell too | Nov 21 14:04 |
| trmanco | for those who believe in it | Nov 21 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Time will choose a winner. | Nov 21 14:04 |
| trmanco | sorry for this sudden explosion | Nov 21 14:04 |
| trmanco | I'm just not in the mood today to make new friends | Nov 21 14:04 |
| oiaohm | It took me 8 years of buddhist to get to the point that insults did not bother me. | Nov 21 14:05 |
| oiaohm | When I was younger I use to settle the issue with force. | Nov 21 14:05 |
| trmanco | you are a Buddhist? | Nov 21 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist/christian | Nov 21 14:06 |
| oiaohm | The Buddhist side taught me anger management and a better way of viewing the world. | Nov 21 14:06 |
| trmanco | oh | Nov 21 14:06 |
| trmanco | first person I "met" :) | Nov 21 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Does being upset about help you trmanco | Nov 21 14:07 |
| trmanco | no | Nov 21 14:07 |
| trmanco | but it's part of life | Nov 21 14:07 |
| trmanco | being upset and stuff | Nov 21 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Nov 21 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Only if you choose to be upset by it. | Nov 21 14:08 |
| oiaohm | People always have to pay for there actions in the end. | Nov 21 14:08 |
| trmanco | yeah, I guess I'm paying them now | Nov 21 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Buddhists don't forget the mistreatment the person does. But class it worth our time to get upset by it. | Nov 21 14:09 |
| oiaohm | and if they happen to come across our path and we can teach them to be better people threw some basic task so be it. | Nov 21 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically Buddhists don't get upset. But if the chance to get even ever comes we do take advantage. | Nov 21 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Its the will of the universe if you ever get that chance. | Nov 21 14:11 |
| trmanco | interesting | Nov 21 14:11 |
| trmanco | unfortunately, I don't think like that, at least for now | Nov 21 14:12 |
| oiaohm | The turn the other cheek bit christian never made me happy. | Nov 21 14:12 |
| oiaohm | It took me 8 years to get my mind use to it trmanco | Nov 21 14:12 |
| trmanco | maybe I just need to get older | Nov 21 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Big thing of buddhist teachings is only worry about the things you can change. | Nov 21 14:13 |
| oiaohm | The stuff you cannot change is not really important. | Nov 21 14:14 |
| trmanco | :) | Nov 21 14:17 |
| oiaohm | That simple buddhist teaching simplerfys the complete world. | Nov 21 14:18 |
| oiaohm | I don't know why the christian bible lacks it. | Nov 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." --Winston Churchill | Nov 21 14:33 |
| trmanco | I have lots of enemies | Nov 21 14:33 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Nov 21 14:33 |
| schestowitz | As long as they don't violently threaten you | Nov 21 14:33 |
| trmanco | sometimes I feel like some of them are created by me, and I'm my worst enemy | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | People without "enemies" never made different in the world | Nov 21 14:34 |
| trmanco | oh, threats | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Be cool about it | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | You're worth naming by people | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Other people are just numbers | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Trust me, as much as I'm smeared, it also helps. People recognise me better | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm too | Nov 21 14:34 |
| trmanco | I haven't done anything special | Nov 21 14:34 |
| schestowitz | He's well known around the Linux Web | Nov 21 14:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: well, your program runs BN IRC channel | Nov 21 14:35 |
| schestowitz | [13:57] <oiaohm> There is no such thing as bad advertising trmanco | Nov 21 14:35 |
| trmanco | All I can say, is that I'm no impressed anymore or even satisfied | Nov 21 14:35 |
| trmanco | not* | Nov 21 14:35 |
| schestowitz | By what? | Nov 21 14:35 |
| trmanco | it needs to do more | Nov 21 14:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no hurry | Nov 21 14:36 |
| schestowitz | You're still young | Nov 21 14:36 |
| trmanco | the bot | Nov 21 14:36 |
| schestowitz | People too easily forget what it's like to be hungry or with cancer | Nov 21 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Or having all limbs | Nov 21 14:36 |
| trmanco | because, if I do ever get to a point, on which I'm extremely satisfied or impressed... it dies | Nov 21 14:37 |
| trmanco | it stops... | Nov 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, oiaohm also lived without hearing for a while | Nov 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he can appreciate it more after that | Nov 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: you'll find other crossroads | Nov 21 14:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: RMS gets smeared a lot too | Nov 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Yet his licence is the most popular\ | Nov 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | He is not discouraged | Nov 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | As Jason put it, the attacks mean he's winning | Nov 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | PJ gets abuse too | Nov 21 14:46 |
| oiaohm | My lack of hearing made me volient. | Nov 21 14:58 |
| oiaohm | its very hard to be peace loving when you are in constant pain. | Nov 21 14:58 |
| oiaohm | It was good to get rid of glue ear. | Nov 21 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Being able to hear is sometimes more of a curse than a help. | Nov 21 15:00 |
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| trmanco | I just made a 20 minutes call to my sister in canada for free, with skype :D | Nov 21 16:07 |
| trmanco | minute* | Nov 21 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to my sister for 1 hour this afternoon and my brother for an hour until 1 minute ago | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It's never a waste or time speaking to family | Nov 21 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Experience teaches they are the only ones that ever stay with you for a lifetime | Nov 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | The rest can be spared because they come and go | Nov 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Just a personal tip, I guess. It took time to learn this for self | Nov 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | This is why you should put your relationship with the sister ahead of some girl you fancy | Nov 21 16:45 |
| schestowitz | gotta go. Take it easy, buddy | Nov 21 16:45 |
| trmanco | yeah | Nov 21 19:29 |
| trmanco | I do | Nov 21 19:29 |
| trmanco | it always has been like that, sister first | Nov 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Good for you | Nov 21 19:29 |
| trmanco | she is the one that's going to help me when I go there | Nov 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I speak to my mom now | Nov 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Day does by w/ phonecalls | Nov 21 19:29 |
| trmanco | she has been saying this since I left, when I was ten | Nov 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz | *goes | Nov 21 19:29 |
| trmanco | cool :) | Nov 21 19:30 |
| schestowitz | The good news is that COLA is troll-free now | Nov 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | We sort of won | Nov 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | They say they'll be back, I hope not | Nov 21 19:31 |
| trmanco | why did they leave? | Nov 21 19:31 |
| trmanco | they got fired? | Nov 21 19:31 |
| schestowitz | "Boycott" *LOL* | Nov 21 19:31 |
| trmanco | boycott what? | Nov 21 19:32 |
| trmanco | their butts? | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > They've all been summoned to Redmond for training on the next round of | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > propaganda assault. Talking points to be memorized etc. | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > I've been in Marseilles for a couple of weeks. I noticed flatfish | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > noticed I was in France the first post I made, and that I was doing it | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > from a Mac. He's the kind of guy you expect to find peeping in people's | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > windows. | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > I really like Sinister Midget. Makes me laugh. I'd like to get to know | Nov 21 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > him. I'd also like to get to know Linonut. He's apparently in | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > Charleston, South Carolina. I go to SC frequently to visit my mother, | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > but it's not particularly close to Charleston so I haven't tried to | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > contact him. | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > I'm returning home in a couple of days. France is nice but I miss my | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > family, and will be glad to get back. | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 21 19:33 |
| schestowitz | > Best wishes to all, | Nov 21 19:33 |
| trmanco | hmmm | Nov 21 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Life is good, minds are not so good | Nov 21 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Social frameworks define mindsets, it's all perspective | Nov 21 19:36 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/#/list/trmanco/trolls | Nov 21 21:34 |
| trmanco | please follow :-P | Nov 21 21:34 |
| trmanco | LOL | Nov 21 21:34 |
| schestowitz | You feed them | Nov 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Pay 0 attention to them | Nov 21 21:36 |
| schestowitz | them/him | Nov 21 21:37 |
| schestowitz | David+socks | Nov 21 21:37 |
| trmanco | feed them? | Nov 21 21:37 |
| trmanco | I just want that idiot | Nov 21 21:37 |
| trmanco | who ever he is, to stop | Nov 21 21:37 |
| trmanco | including my name, and others | Nov 21 21:37 |
| trmanco | to stop with this sick bullshit | Nov 21 21:38 |
| schestowitz | That's not the way to stop him | Nov 21 21:38 |
| schestowitz | You encourage it | Nov 21 21:39 |
| trmanco | so you say, to sit down and do nothing is what I should do? | Nov 21 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Nov 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Better than feed the trolls | Nov 21 21:40 |
| trmanco | :| | Nov 21 21:40 |
| trmanco | that is an act of defeat | Nov 21 21:40 |
| trmanco | maybe :S | Nov 21 21:40 |
| *schestowitz watches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ePU7O5q0s&NR=1 Hot. | Nov 21 21:40 | |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23BoycottBoy | Nov 21 21:41 |
| trmanco | pff | Nov 21 21:41 |
| trmanco | look like a porn scene | Nov 21 21:42 |
| trmanco | but without sex :-P | Nov 21 21:42 |
| trmanco | looks* | Nov 21 21:42 |
| schestowitz | No, not porn | Nov 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I like the music | Nov 21 21:48 |
| schestowitz | If I wanted pr0n, I'd watch pr0n | Nov 21 21:49 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=76312 | Nov 21 21:52 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=76315 | Nov 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | you need court order :| | Nov 21 21:53 |
| trmanco | meh | Nov 21 21:53 |
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| schestowitz | No, you need to relax | Nov 21 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Here's one that's in British TV too (the censored version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcgprV8A6GI&NR=1 | Nov 21 22:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: namesig... sort of username before @ | Nov 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what it's called | Nov 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Won't say it in the public channel | Nov 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Cause he would then know how to hide | Nov 22 01:27 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 22 01:27 |
| MinceR | it is called the username :) | Nov 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | usually it's something he does not change | Nov 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | No | Nov 22 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Not username | Nov 22 01:28 |
| MinceR | just a part of it? | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | It's in brackets | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Real name | Nov 22 01:28 |
| MinceR | hm | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I think | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, real name | Nov 22 01:28 |
| MinceR | oh. | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | namesig I called it | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't change it | Nov 22 01:28 |
| MinceR | i never looked at his real name field | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Too stupid | Nov 22 01:28 |
| schestowitz | +ISP name = bingo | Nov 22 01:28 |
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| -Fedbuntu/#boycottnovell-social-Fedora & Ubuntu-Two of the best things in the world | Nov 22 05:49 | |
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| schestowitz | Meh. | Nov 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I hate PM..... | Nov 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <MikeyC> we never tried really, well at least i didn't i knew it was already in the bag, but sid will be dissapointed at having to share second place with you | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <MikeyC> who was your invigilator? | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeyC> or someone who stopped the clock when you did the rowing changeover, i know your tricks! | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <MikeyC> Sean | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <MikeyC> Ho! | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:51] <MikeyC> so are you not going to congratulate me for winning Roy? Are are you becoming like Ho? | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <MikeyC> Gotta go matey, thanks for congratulating me on the win btw!? | Nov 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <MikeyC> Come to the xmas do!!!!!!!! | Nov 22 21:07 |
| trmanco | what happened? | Nov 22 22:20 |
| trmanco | and who is he? | Nov 22 22:20 |
| schestowitz | A friend from here | Nov 22 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Poor netiquette | Nov 22 22:44 |
| trmanco | what is the short for "year old" | Nov 22 23:04 |
| trmanco | as in 19 year old | Nov 22 23:04 |
| schestowitz | y-o | Nov 22 23:05 |
| trmanco | thanks | Nov 22 23:06 |
| schestowitz | "Roy, the latest news from Richard Rasker has me concerned, that web videos would be tied to Microsoft's Silverlight product. It seems the monopoly has found a way to perpetuate itself. It reminds me of the Cold War Soviet aggression of the late '50s. It seems that Microsoft has entrenched its agents in key positions in various government and private org. positions, latest being EU and Open University. This is rather sad. | Nov 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | They are more of a religion than a business." | Nov 23 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | > It might be good to ban the url shorteners, since they are too easy a | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > way to monitor who's following what. Besides, when the shortener site | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > goes under, the links are dead and with no clue as to the original site | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > which may still be up and running. | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > http://tiny.cc/faq.php | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > How about a policy banning them from posts? I can't see a legitimate | Nov 23 14:27 |
| schestowitz | > reason for using them. | Nov 23 14:28 |
| schestowitz | I never use them in posts, unless quoted. | Nov 23 14:29 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a733s/iama_guy_who_dropped_out_from_the_rat_race_didnt/c0g5xri | Nov 23 15:03 |
| trmanco | LOL | Nov 23 15:03 |
| trmanco | I haven't had a laugh with the comments in months | Nov 23 15:08 |
| MinceR | rotfl | Nov 23 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Nov 23 16:07 |
| schestowitz | OMG | Nov 23 16:07 |
| schestowitz | logger_bot is resurrected | Nov 23 16:07 |
| schestowitz | It's a miracle | Nov 23 16:07 |
| schestowitz | roy@baine:~$ uptime | Nov 23 16:08 |
| schestowitz | 15:36:52 up 47 days, 2:01, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.07 | Nov 23 16:08 |
| schestowitz | So weird | Nov 23 16:08 |
| schestowitz | So many it was just knocked offline | Nov 23 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Uncle's happy... | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > O.K. I opened your web log and there we were...the Tobkeses. | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > A wonderful surprise, but what really touched me were your kind words. | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > You have many talents and now I include your writing skills and crafting | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > words to say what you mean and mean what you say. | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > Well done! And well appreciated by both of us. | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | That's delightful to hear from you. I don't understand how I missed the birthday. | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | /quote | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I need to get back to doing my personal blog more | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | No idea of stuff to write... | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/11/23/harvey-and-anita/ | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Mike little, co-founder of WordPress, only writes about birthdays now.. | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://zed1.com/journalized/ | Nov 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Things have been hectic in BN but exciting. In this one site I get about 30,000 pageviews/day, I think (depending how it's measured) | Nov 23 22:45 |
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| fewa | tell me when Daemon is banned | Nov 24 06:46 |
| fewa | its just bad for the channel | Nov 24 06:46 |
| MinceR | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/22/scientology-cruise-haggis-us-australia | Nov 24 08:05 |
| fewa | http://www.energybulletin.net/node/23259 | Nov 24 08:13 |
| fewa | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dtxqwqr_20dc52sm | Nov 24 08:13 |
| schestowitz | fewa: that's a very good link | Nov 24 10:22 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 24 10:43 |
| schestowitz | If I send it to relatives in the US, they'd see it as "wish" though | Nov 24 10:47 |
| fewa | I'm in the US | Nov 24 10:47 |
| fewa | and people are so disillusioned | Nov 24 10:47 |
| fewa | but they think it cant happen here | Nov 24 10:47 |
| fewa | Obama=Gorbachov | Nov 24 10:48 |
| fewa | are you good with batteries? | Nov 24 10:48 |
| fewa | LiFePO4? | Nov 24 10:48 |
| fewa | That is one of biggest problems of propaganda | Nov 24 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Change. | Nov 24 10:51 |
| fewa | people stop connecting the dots | Nov 24 10:51 |
| fewa | Perestroika | Nov 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/23/gthumb-and-gnote-ubuntu/#comments | Nov 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | "BN has been attacked repeatedly but Roy has never done more than present facts, quote the principles and draw obvious conclusions from it all. Notice that half of the facts above were assembled by referencing older articles. For pointing out the obvious, he's been threatened with lawsuits, insulted in the vilest ways and had his career threatened." | Nov 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | "Mono proponents are just another form of Technical Evangelist. People who rightly questioned Microsoft's motives and promises have been ridiculed and libeled in a way that discourages others from joining the conversation." | Nov 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft has been doing this to people for decades. How much more blatant can it get than when a Novell Vice President talks about people with a family to support should stay away from free software? These people are gangsters." | Nov 24 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Give Me Liberty < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgkeTanCGI > | Nov 24 10:52 |
| fewa | All this changing stuff is complicated | Nov 24 10:54 |
| fewa | can i just shove 4 Li batteries together and change them with a 12V charger? | Nov 24 10:54 |
| fewa | they want to change alot for chargers | Nov 24 10:55 |
| fewa | but they can make cameras with li-on that are ~$20 | Nov 24 10:55 |
| fewa | so cant be that expensive | Nov 24 10:55 |
| fewa | in the 50s batteries were standardized | Nov 24 10:58 |
| fewa | since its all about being differnt so you can rip people off | Nov 24 10:58 |
| fewa | planned obsolescense | Nov 24 10:59 |
| fewa | US should abandon the location-based rep districts with a more parlimentarian system | Nov 24 11:09 |
| fewa | at least | Nov 24 11:10 |
| schestowitz | I had such a problem with the shaver | Nov 24 11:14 |
| schestowitz | About $30 for new battery | Nov 24 11:15 |
| fewa | and the stuff is actually quite standard | Nov 24 11:17 |
| fewa | its all 3v, 5v, and 12v | Nov 24 11:18 |
| fewa | li rechargables 3v cells | Nov 24 11:18 |
| fewa | NiMH 1.2v cells (eek) | Nov 24 11:18 |
| fewa | but then they use wierd shapes to fuck with people | Nov 24 11:18 |
| fewa | also they started putting in bs circuitry | Nov 24 11:18 |
| fewa | and then if the battery doesn't pass the laptop will turn off ACPI power saving, etc, so that it seems the battery sucks | Nov 24 11:19 |
| fewa | ...anti-features | Nov 24 11:19 |
| fewa | do i need something like this to charge batteries? http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6463 | Nov 24 11:26 |
| oiaohm | li batteries have to be charaged carefully fewa | Nov 24 12:53 |
| oiaohm | They are basically explosive. | Nov 24 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Over charge them prepare for flames. | Nov 24 12:54 |
| fewa | li-poly is better | Nov 24 12:54 |
| fewa | its not like li-co which explodes | Nov 24 12:54 |
| fewa | but still dangerous | Nov 24 12:55 |
| oiaohm | li-poly can still explode. | Nov 24 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Just will not do it on just one over charge. | Nov 24 12:55 |
| fewa | so i need to spend $$ on a charger? | Nov 24 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Most li-poly are fitted will a fail circuit if over charged. | Nov 24 12:55 |
| oiaohm | To prevent explosions. | Nov 24 12:55 |
| fewa | im going to switch my 2XAA flashlight to 2 parallel li-poly 3V cells | Nov 24 12:56 |
| fewa | only get 600mAh each however, at such a small size | Nov 24 12:56 |
| oiaohm | li-poly is a special charger. | Nov 24 12:56 |
| oiaohm | If you don't want to burn the break circuit and render the battery useless. | Nov 24 12:57 |
| fewa | ok, guyess i need to spend $$ | Nov 24 12:57 |
| fewa | laptop batteries have that wierd connector on them | Nov 24 12:57 |
| oiaohm | I have had fun exploding them. | Nov 24 12:58 |
| fewa | with like 6 leads, one of which is obviously the ground | Nov 24 12:58 |
| fewa | it it one to each cell? | Nov 24 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Most likely 3 packs. | Nov 24 12:58 |
| oiaohm | ie 3 grounds 3 postives. | Nov 24 12:58 |
| fewa | the one i got is 4 cells | Nov 24 12:58 |
| fewa | but have 6 leads | Nov 24 12:59 |
| fewa | well, its 12.8 volts | Nov 24 12:59 |
| fewa | so thats 4 in series | Nov 24 12:59 |
| oiaohm | I forgot the themoral | Nov 24 12:59 |
| oiaohm | There will be a thermal sensor taking up 2 wires. | Nov 24 12:59 |
| fewa | hmm, well then ones missing | Nov 24 13:00 |
| fewa | 4+1+2=7 | Nov 24 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the thermal. | Nov 24 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Some themals take 3 wires. | Nov 24 13:00 |
| fewa | its always 6 wires | Nov 24 13:01 |
| fewa | you seen it right? | Nov 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Battery packs don't have decated gounds. | Nov 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | So 2 wires + 2 wire - 2 wires theromal would be the explect combination. | Nov 24 13:01 |
| fewa | well then maybe big one is for thermal | Nov 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | With the 4 pack split in 2 lots of 2 cells. | Nov 24 13:02 |
| oiaohm | would be kinda normal. | Nov 24 13:02 |
| fewa | let me try my multimetre | Nov 24 13:02 |
| fewa | but its dead so might no be able to tell | Nov 24 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Colors of wires fewa | Nov 24 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Its simple if they have used cat 5 style. | Nov 24 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Solid would be the + and the white with line of color would be the - | Nov 24 13:04 |
| fewa | im not picking up anything on my multimetre | Nov 24 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Please don't dell battery. | Nov 24 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Those are assholes. | Nov 24 13:05 |
| oiaohm | They place a circuit in there that counts charges and after so many it cuts the wires. | Nov 24 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Supposiably to prevent li battery explosiions. | Nov 24 13:06 |
| fewa | geeze | Nov 24 13:07 |
| fewa | maybe i have to get into the female end | Nov 24 13:07 |
| fewa | this battery has two ports | Nov 24 13:07 |
| fewa | one male, one female | Nov 24 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok what in heck is that out of. | Nov 24 13:08 |
| oiaohm | I have never seen a battery with 2 wires. | Nov 24 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie two wire sets. | Nov 24 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Hang on that would not be the insane with postive and negitive in different sets. | Nov 24 13:09 |
| fewa | picked it up at the thrift store for $3 | Nov 24 13:09 |
| fewa | seems like nobody knew what it was | Nov 24 13:09 |
| oiaohm | And you are 100 percent sure its a battery. | Nov 24 13:09 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 24 13:09 |
| fewa | it has clear labling | Nov 24 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Not something stupid like a emeracny light support unit. | Nov 24 13:09 |
| fewa | no its 5000mAh li-poly | Nov 24 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Brand | Nov 24 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Please have a company name on it. | Nov 24 13:11 |
| fewa | Valence | Nov 24 13:11 |
| oiaohm | O boy. | Nov 24 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty systems. | Nov 24 13:11 |
| fewa | no | Nov 24 13:11 |
| fewa | general li-poly batteries http://valence.com/ | Nov 24 13:12 |
| oiaohm | I was commenting on where I had to deal with them. | Nov 24 13:12 |
| fewa | Saphion(tm) | Nov 24 13:13 |
| oiaohm | So + and - terminals out side plus inbuilt charger with control wires ? | Nov 24 13:15 |
| fewa | the dangle that hooks to the male side (which is the wierd part) im not sure if its for charging or uncharging | Nov 24 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Ie some have 2 wires for changing control. | Nov 24 13:16 |
| oiaohm | 2 cables. | Nov 24 13:16 |
| oiaohm | So the batterys can be dasy chained from the power source to charge. | Nov 24 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I asked does it have + and - terminals as well. | Nov 24 13:16 |
| fewa | typical female-->battery-->male-->doohicky which declares 15.5VDC (seems like charge since battery is 12.8V)->typical plug | Nov 24 13:16 |
| oiaohm | valence have a stack of combinations. | Nov 24 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Even worse you can order 100 percent custom from them fewa | Nov 24 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Reason why O boy comment. | Nov 24 13:19 |
| fewa | this doesn't look like custom | Nov 24 13:20 |
| fewa | but could be fried | Nov 24 13:20 |
| fewa | it has a charge status indicaitor | Nov 24 13:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.valence.com/products/battery_modules/u-charge_xp/battery_management_system if not custom from them it will be this. | Nov 24 13:21 |
| fewa | that doesn't light up any of the lights | Nov 24 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes valence custom charging systems. | Nov 24 13:21 |
| fewa | on its discontinued | Nov 24 13:21 |
| fewa | perhaps | Nov 24 13:21 |
| fewa | NCharge | Nov 24 13:21 |
| oiaohm | N-Charge® Power System you can still buy adapter cables through our website << Ie to connect to u charge. | Nov 24 13:23 |
| oiaohm | I guess you did not luck out and get the charger. | Nov 24 13:23 |
| fewa | its not something big like this: http://valence.com/products/battery_modules/u-charge_rt | Nov 24 13:24 |
| fewa | its got a simply adapter | Nov 24 13:24 |
| fewa | if indeed that is for charging | Nov 24 13:24 |
| fewa | 16-24V @ 3A input coltage | Nov 24 13:25 |
| fewa | what it says on battery | Nov 24 13:25 |
| fewa | i only have 12V transformers around | Nov 24 13:25 |
| oiaohm | 12 v will not cut it. | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | but anyways needs charger that keeps track of voltage | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | so doesn't overcharge | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | could hook 2 12V inline | Nov 24 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Battery has lights on top? | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | yes | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | with a button | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | like on mac batteries | Nov 24 13:26 |
| fewa | charge indicaitor | Nov 24 13:26 |
| oiaohm | I would be contacting valence some of them the charage is on the top of the battery. | Nov 24 13:27 |
| oiaohm | The cable is monitering and power feed. | Nov 24 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Remember valence is solar setups as well. | Nov 24 13:27 |
| fewa | this is only 5Ah | Nov 24 13:27 |
| fewa | not huge | Nov 24 13:27 |
| oiaohm | the last thing you want to do is chain a stack of batteries up and have to maintain charge rate. | Nov 24 13:28 |
| oiaohm | that size I would say it came out a secuirty system. | Nov 24 13:28 |
| fewa | its not that big | Nov 24 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Neither is the power draw of most monitering stations. | Nov 24 13:28 |
| fewa | width and height of a laptop | Nov 24 13:29 |
| fewa | and about 1 cm think | Nov 24 13:29 |
| oiaohm | That has to be secuirty. | Nov 24 13:29 |
| oiaohm | they normally don't make thin battries for anything else. | Nov 24 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie thin it sit behind the control panel. | Nov 24 13:30 |
| fewa | aha | Nov 24 13:31 |
| fewa | how do i get something like in notebooks that switches between AC and battery power? | Nov 24 13:31 |
| fewa | thinking of putting a battery in this sheevaplug | Nov 24 13:32 |
| fewa | wonder if the 3.3V will accept 3.7 | Nov 24 13:32 |
| oiaohm | That is neater to make you own. | Nov 24 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Most reliable is inline battery fewa | Nov 24 13:32 |
| fewa | ? | Nov 24 13:33 |
| fewa | sheevaplug only uses 2Watts 3.3v | Nov 24 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Darn I just got term wrong. | Nov 24 13:33 |
| fewa | also so you can charge battery on AC | Nov 24 13:34 |
| fewa | and that whole thing | Nov 24 13:34 |
| fewa | how do you get that whole power fandoozle | Nov 24 13:34 |
| fewa | for cheap | Nov 24 13:34 |
| fewa | and differn't voltages | Nov 24 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Solar charging and supply circuit is basically what you are looking for. | Nov 24 13:35 |
| fewa | yeah | Nov 24 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Or if low enough draw supercaps | Nov 24 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Low energy density. (6Wh/Kg) suppercaps might be a little too large. | Nov 24 13:38 |
| fewa | so do i need a special charger | Nov 24 13:39 |
| fewa | im looking at batteries which are cheap, but dont feel like spending alot on a charger | Nov 24 13:39 |
| oiaohm | http://www.solorb.com/elect/solarcirc/ccntlvd/index.html Ugly there has to be better out there fewa | Nov 24 13:42 |
| oiaohm | http://zedomax.com/blog/2008/03/22/diy-hack-how-to-make-your-own-ups-for-your-computer-and-other-peripherals-during-power-outage/ Ok even more ugly fewa | Nov 24 13:44 |
| fewa | uggggggh | Nov 24 13:44 |
| fewa | inverter is ugly | Nov 24 13:44 |
| fewa | what efficiency are those things? | Nov 24 13:44 |
| fewa | also 12v-->220VAC-->12/5/3.3 VDC | Nov 24 13:45 |
| fewa | soooo ugly | Nov 24 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Its better if you can avoid that. | Nov 24 13:48 |
| oiaohm | In the past when I have been using computers that way I have fitted 12 volt power supplies. | Nov 24 13:48 |
| oiaohm | http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm | Nov 24 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Matched up with a lcd taking dc power using a dc to dc converters lot more effective than inverters. | Nov 24 13:50 |
| fewa | nice | Nov 24 13:50 |
| fewa | most laptops use 12V right? | Nov 24 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Still not 100 percent high effectiveness. | Nov 24 13:50 |
| oiaohm | I wish. | Nov 24 13:50 |
| oiaohm | anything from 16 to 32 volts for most laptops fewa | Nov 24 13:51 |
| fewa | eek | Nov 24 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Most need dc to dc converters for cars. | Nov 24 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Cause is charging the internal batteries. | Nov 24 13:51 |
| oiaohm | While providing computer with power. | Nov 24 13:52 |
| fewa | HP Mini: 19V eee12V! aspire one 19V | Nov 24 13:55 |
| fewa | perhaps i should get eeepc then | Nov 24 13:55 |
| oiaohm | There are ways of using batteries as large caps. | Nov 24 13:58 |
| MinceR | afaik some eeepcs get better battery life than any hp minis or aspire ones anyway | Nov 24 13:58 |
| oiaohm | That is basically the idea of clean power provide systems. | Nov 24 13:58 |
| fewa | im still waiting for ARM netbooks | Nov 24 13:59 |
| fewa | they keep delaying :( | Nov 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | aspire are bastards | Nov 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | I really do mean bastards | Nov 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | 1 month out side support and the bios images disappear off there website. | Nov 24 13:59 |
| fewa | geeze | Nov 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | So you hope you don't need to flash the bios. | Nov 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Other than that hardware is good. | Nov 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | And that they flash from bios. | Nov 24 14:01 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot save the bios from the machine directly either. | Nov 24 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically know someone with one get the bios image on disk. | Nov 24 14:01 |
| fewa | samsumg 19V | Nov 24 14:09 |
| fewa | guess 19V is common | Nov 24 14:09 |
| fewa | schestowitz, re: Naomi wolf, Chomsky makes the comparison to weimer germany too | Nov 24 14:31 |
| fewa | but i don't really like her | Nov 24 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | Vain at times | Nov 24 14:48 |
| fewa | wow, the battery is charging at 1W | Nov 24 18:40 |
| fewa | slowww | Nov 24 18:42 |
| schestowitz | > Re: defud this ms bullshit .. | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > "The response to Google's Chromium OS has been rather lukewarm" | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/11/24/1517229/Would-You-Use-a-Free-Netbook-From-Google | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > Which links to this bs by ' Sarah Perez' who posts on Microsoft's | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > Channel 10 blog .. | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | > "Was Chrome OS a Disappointment?" | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/was_chrome_os_a_disappointment.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+readwriteweb+%28ReadWriteWeb%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Many Microsoft trolls attacked it. It's a Gooooogle product, so I can't be bothered to defend it. | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > see also ... | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > "RWW’s Sarah Perez: Microsoft Hitwoman?" | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | > http://bx.businessweek.com/web-development/view?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftakethe5th.com%2Fwp%2F%3Fp%3D557 | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Microsoft loves pseudo-journalism. | Nov 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | BN can rebut this with NC memos | Nov 24 19:14 |
| schestowitz | > What's the real name of that tech blogger, I can't find it. He posted | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | > an interesting historical video of Ellison waxing on about the NetPC. | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | > The next big thing from years ago. Of course it would never happen as | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | > MS wouldn't allow it. The Chrome OS is the next big threat to MS. | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | > What's his name i crinkley ???? | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Cringely is Mark something. | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | cringe@infoworld.com | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I still think Chrome OS is just the beginning of a hard transition. I'm not terribly excited about the idea. | Nov 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | The attack site on BN is sort of dead | Nov 24 20:26 |
| schestowitz | No new posts there, not even in the 'sister' attack blogs. It's good that they are not being fed, it dries them up | Nov 24 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Nov 24 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <MrF2009> Hey Roy, we were saying today as a forfeit for your performance in MrF you should address me as MrF for the whole of the remainder of 2009, what d' ya think? | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <MrF2009> Not had chance to read this link yet, but it's about that family you mentioned a while back the R's | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:34] <MrF2009> http://cliffordshack.com/oil_chrono.html | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:36] <MrF2009> You'll know more about this than me, with your previous research into The ROthschilds, there's a lot of bs out there and distracting disinformation, it's hard to know what to believe, although this link seems a little far fetched, what do you think? | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:38] <schestowitz> I didn't do research really, except for estimation of wealth based on some unconfirmed sources | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:43] <MrF2009> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZA0qNsf4m0&feature=player_embedded# | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:43] <MrF2009> Get it? | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <MrF2009> Watch the above link Roy! | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> ok | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> bookmarked for later | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:52] <MrF2009> you better watch it roy, i will be testing you tomorrow, you wont like Mr F when he is angry! | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:55] <schestowitz> :-) | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:55] <schestowitz> BTW | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <schestowitz> When a source excessively focuses on ethnicity it implies bias | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <schestowitz> Me not being an apologist, to cast history of oil as an act of someone other than Rockefeller and other cartels is to paint partial pictures | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:57] <schestowitz> I will watch that dollar video later tonight | Nov 24 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [21:59] <MrF2009> like i said i never read the link to the rothschilds so cannot comment, have watched the vid though and it is quite compelling, enjoy the vid! | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [21:59] <schestowitz> Will do | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [21:59] <schestowitz> I watch tons of the stuff on US politics and economy these days | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <MrF2009> the way the financial system works is fascinating to me! | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <MrF2009> i have already invested in Silver bars, and ounce coins! | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:00] <MrF2009> i will bring some to the gym if you like and you can take a look! | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <MrF2009> i bought at 14$ per ounce now selling at 20$ per ounce (you pay slightly more than the bulk stock price when you buy one ounce or half kilo bars, this covers manufacture and processing of the bulk commodity, but it still retaines its resale value in line with the bulk price! | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:04] <MrF2009> I alos invested in shares, but got out a few months ago when i realised that this is just the first phase of what will probably be a full on meltdown/death of the dollar, probably pre-emptied by warfare and a last desperate grab by the west for power. | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:04] <MrF2009> :) | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <MrF2009> Best chess playing nation wins, lol:) | Nov 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <schestowitz> Heh. | Nov 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <schestowitz> Stocks measured in $$$ | Nov 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <schestowitz> Won't be good when the $ declines | Nov 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <schestowitz> Maybe like Yen | Nov 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <schestowitz> Rubel... | Nov 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <MrF2009> and oil is traded in dollars too, when the reserve status is dumped america will have to turn of the presses and start turning on the factories to make some real money | Nov 24 23:16 |
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| fewa | oh not here | Nov 25 00:36 |
| fewa | I have some silver | Nov 25 00:36 |
| fewa | from when it was $5/oz | Nov 25 00:36 |
| fewa | after digital computing came in it dropped below manufacturing prices | Nov 25 00:37 |
| fewa | *camera | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| fewa | u watch "An Unreasonable Man"? | Nov 25 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: any links you share here are valuable | Nov 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna watch the Nader talk in a few hours. | Nov 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I keep that stuff out of BN though. It's too bipolar. Readership grows steadily and I am generally happy, having extended my score of exploration to other topics, not just technology. :-) But I reckon it's better to keep politics just in the IRC channel | Nov 25 17:33 |
| schestowitz | cousin just mailed me this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcfrLYDm2U&feature=player_embedded | Nov 25 17:41 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> [17:30:38] +I keep that stuff out of BN though. It's too bipolar. | Nov 26 01:12 |
| fewa | nader is actually quite conservative | Nov 26 01:12 |
| fewa | corporate crime, corporate welfare, anti-PATRIOT act | Nov 26 01:13 |
| fewa | and against amnesty for undocumented immigrants | Nov 26 01:13 |
| fewa | not that he isn't portrayed against a fake linier spectrum | Nov 26 01:13 |
| fewa | but its really a lie | Nov 26 01:14 |
| fewa | *or absense of "spectrum" | Nov 26 01:14 |
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| schestowitz | > Anyway, I always translate your articles to Spanish and email them to | Nov 26 04:45 |
| schestowitz | > teachers in my birth country Peru. We do have to protect freedom | Nov 26 04:45 |
| schestowitz | > everywhere so that's my grain of sand. | Nov 26 04:45 |
| schestowitz | BN might have translations soon | Nov 26 04:45 |
| schestowitz | Me: "I have a question; will you be able to mail me all translations you produced (unlesss they are publicly posted already) so that I can add them to the site and help spread the message?" | Nov 26 04:47 |
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| schestowitz | "I think an example that predates it a little bit that you could look at is OpenOffice.org. OpenOffice.org, you could argue, is just a clone of Windows (sic)," she responded. | Nov 26 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Peters :-) | Nov 26 13:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIm-IWaOPjo | Nov 26 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Wow. I didn't know about these incidents... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsl--kQ2gI | Nov 26 15:38 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: troll alert | Nov 26 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Nov 26 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I didn't leave op | Nov 26 21:45 |
| MinceR | perhaps a few access list entries could help :> | Nov 26 21:50 |
| trmanco | indeed :> | Nov 26 21:52 |
| schestowitz | [21:43] <threexk> hello. I listened to your interview on FLOSS weekly and didn't get it. What is it that Jono Bacon doesn't like about Boycott Novel? | Nov 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] <threexk> He said it was bad for free software, but I can't remember a reason why. | Nov 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] <schestowitz> There is no reason | Nov 26 21:55 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] <schestowitz> He was upset cause he's with Ubuntu and they do Mono | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] <schestowitz> He was also misinformed about me | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] <schestowitz> I spoke to him for over an hour after the show and explained to him | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:47] <threexk> heh, I see. He's that upset over your negative postings about Mono? | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:48] <schestowitz> Yes | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> Also http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3710061 | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> Mark Shuttleworth is afraid of my feedback | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <schestowitz> We were gonna do an interview and he backed off in 2007 | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] <schestowitz> come to #boycottnovell | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <threexk> I thought the interview was low on discussion of the actual issues and high on attacks ;) | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> Yes, on me | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> With lies against me | Nov 26 21:56 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 26 21:59 |
| schestowitz | [21:57] <threexk> OK, I get the sense that you have posted stuff implying the stuff he works on isn't free enough, and he takes offense to that, and thinks the "not free enough" stuff is counterproductive | Nov 26 21:59 |
| schestowitz | [21:58] <threexk> is that the general idea? | Nov 26 21:59 |
| schestowitz | [21:58] <schestowitz> It's more complicated | Nov 26 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > 1) | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8380526.stm | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > 2) | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=118007 | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 26 22:07 |
| schestowitz | > Shit flows downhill. Berlusconi's trying to take it out on someone | Nov 26 22:08 |
| schestowitz | > else. :P | Nov 26 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Check out the video of this neo-fascist picking his nose (it's on YouTube) | Nov 26 22:08 |
| MinceR | trickle-down? :> | Nov 26 22:08 |
| schestowitz | [21:59] <threexk> you slept with his mother? | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <schestowitz> No, codecs issues | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <schestowitz> Compromise with distribution, closed mindedness | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <threexk> I see. you guys should've discussed that! :) | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:01] <schestowitz> He wasn't interested | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <schestowitz> I was appalled by his ambush | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <schestowitz> Kept polite, though | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <threexk> haha--no worries, I thought he looked bad in this case | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <threexk> I was surprised Leo didn't rein him in | Nov 26 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 26 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | > Roy, usually I email the translation in an email with a link to | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > original in: http://boycottnovell/translatedlink so the ones that | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > understand English can read the original as well. It's just an ant labor | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > but at least is something to educate the ones who prepare the women and | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > men of tomorrow. | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Usually the ones I have translated the most are the ones related how | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > the convicted thug actions regarding Digital Colonialism and how this | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > will impact the future of the generations to come if we as people, | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > regardless if you're an educator or not don't do anything against it. | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > Of course I can email you the translations and it would be GREAT if you | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > post them as well in such a way I just would send a brief message with a | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > link to the article itself on your site. Indeed I would be happy because | Nov 26 23:08 |
| schestowitz | > it won't be my grain of sand but a bucket. | Nov 26 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | "They need to be given a joint" [rich people]... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdZZuniQno8 | Nov 27 11:29 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] <MinceR> perhaps a few access list entries could help :> | Nov 27 13:28 |
| schestowitz | What command? | Nov 27 13:28 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Nov 27 15:36 | |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Nov 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | > I'd be happy to transcribe something for you...I'm not sure exactly what | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | > it is that needs transcribing though. | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | > Can you send me a link to the file? | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Sure, thanks! | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/monsanto-video/ | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | We ought to be publish the whole thing as text. Vandana Shiva knows this stuff very well. | Nov 27 17:36 |
| schestowitz | re stormy peters: "she actually believes free software exists for corporations to "consume" for profit... how does such a person wind up as executive director of the gnome foundation in the first place?" | Nov 27 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Re: interesting interactive map | Nov 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | > Keep it to yourself and use it for research .. | Nov 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | > http://mapper.nndb.com/start/?id=22625 | Nov 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | The mukkety (??) thing is interesting, but I can't use it for much. | Nov 27 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Tell me when you find 'fun' facts... :-) | Nov 27 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | > I just find it disturbing that there is no sense of privacy any more, | Nov 29 17:15 |
| schestowitz | > and especially when it comes from a convicted monopoly's search engine. | Nov 29 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes going public and ensuring you 'write' your presence rather than have others do so is perhaps a good thing. | Nov 29 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Trolls found new home http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.linux-sucks/topics | Nov 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Let's hope they stay there | Nov 29 20:49 |
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| fewa | two wolves (and a lamb, american citizens) fight for what to have for dinner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNHLghHNUqk | Nov 30 07:54 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Nov 30 09:49 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Nov 30 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | > The following needs BN some references placed into the text. The most obvious | Nov 30 11:04 |
| schestowitz | > are links to the "smoking gun, microsoft owns the chicken store" accusations | Nov 30 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > of OEMs as documented here and at Groklaw. Please add them and publish this | Nov 30 11:05 |
| schestowitz | > if you are interested. | Nov 30 11:05 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI | Nov 30 14:18 |
| fewa | "to hate all but the right folks, is an old established rule" | Nov 30 14:18 |
| fewa | hits it on the nail | Nov 30 14:19 |
| fewa | *"to hate all folks but the right folks, is an old established rule" | Nov 30 14:26 |
| schestowitz | I'll watch both videos tonight | Nov 30 14:36 |
| fewa | I'm getting a bicycle | Nov 30 14:47 |
| fewa | and thinking about getting a electric bike kit | Nov 30 14:47 |
| fewa | Li-ion | Nov 30 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Good, less fumes | Nov 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz | One-tonne machines to move one person between places that can be bridged via wire anyway..... | Nov 30 15:29 |
| fewa | more practical: have you used one? | Nov 30 15:31 |
| fewa | they are supposedly _very_ prevelent in easy asia | Nov 30 15:31 |
| fewa | also how do you keep people from stealing the batteries | Nov 30 15:31 |
| fewa | seems like it would be hard to fully attach it to the bike | Nov 30 15:32 |
| fewa | (and potentially counter-productive) | Nov 30 15:32 |
| fewa | http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm when you look at poll numbers you can line it up with reporting | Nov 30 15:35 |
| fewa | "reporting" is generally carefully crafted propaganda in order to move public opinion when there is most resistance | Nov 30 15:36 |
| fewa | also in what is not asked | Nov 30 15:37 |
| fewa | for example a gaping exclusion of asking if they support a national health care system | Nov 30 15:37 |
| fewa | because they know what they will get http://www.wpasinglepayer.org/PollResults.html | Nov 30 15:38 |
| fewa | did it here http://www.pollingreport.com/health3.htm | Nov 30 15:39 |
| fewa | 68 27 5 | Nov 30 15:39 |
| fewa | and 70 25 5 | Nov 30 15:39 |
| fewa | but then they still have this stupid word "compete" | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | just makes no sense | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | capitalist propaganda | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | Nov 30 15:40 | |
| fewa | "Expanding Medicare to cover people between the ages of 55 and 64 who do not have health insurance" N=649 (Form A) | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | Nov 30 15:40 | |
| fewa | 9/11-18/09 | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | 74 20 6 | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | Nov 30 15:40 | |
| fewa | "Expanding state government programs for low-income people, such as Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program" N=554 (Form B) | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | Nov 30 15:40 | |
| fewa | 9/11-18/09 | Nov 30 15:40 |
| fewa | 82 16 2 | Nov 30 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I like how you put it. | Nov 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | [15:36] <fewa> "reporting" is generally carefully crafted propaganda in order to move public opinion when there is most resistance | Nov 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | I see this coming from Micropple as well | Nov 30 15:41 |
| fewa | I got that from the intro to CHomsky's manufacturing consent | Nov 30 15:41 |
| fewa | and it stuck | Nov 30 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a threat to US dominance | Nov 30 15:41 |
| fewa | if you create enough irrational sheep you can prevent real discussion | Nov 30 15:42 |
| fewa | and disable that which threatens you | Nov 30 15:42 |
| fewa | and if you cannot do that | Nov 30 15:42 |
| fewa | the only thing left is to control access | Nov 30 15:42 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Linux is a threat to US dominance | Nov 30 15:43 |
| fewa | _Microsoft_ is a threat to US dominence | Nov 30 15:43 |
| fewa | the "IP" system is weighing down this country | Nov 30 15:43 |
| fewa | moreso than anywhere else | Nov 30 15:43 |
| fewa | making it illegal to do productive work | Nov 30 15:44 |
| fewa | Microsoft has a big hand in that too | Nov 30 15:44 |
| fewa | makes a situation where in Russia they can get all the software they need to do something, they can do security work without risk of imprisonment (look at that Russian hacker) | Nov 30 15:45 |
| fewa | etc, etc | Nov 30 15:45 |
| fewa | "enterprise software" | Nov 30 15:45 |
| fewa | Dmetri Orlov mentioned in his book/writings | Nov 30 15:46 |
| fewa | calls it one of many boondoggles | Nov 30 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Aha. | Nov 30 15:49 |
| fewa | not that these are bad | Nov 30 15:49 |
| fewa | per se | Nov 30 15:49 |
| fewa | *the russian hacker imprisoned in the US | Nov 30 15:49 |
| fewa | or the americans that playfully hack into NASA, etc and then get presecuted | Nov 30 15:50 |
| fewa | because those in charge would rather squash and discussion of security, than make their systems secure | Nov 30 15:50 |
| fewa | NASA has had to emergency shut off huge computer systems because of intrusions | Nov 30 15:51 |
| fewa | happened in Britian IIRC | Nov 30 15:52 |
| fewa | as well | Nov 30 15:52 |
| fewa | subjugation and rigidity of power structure is always put ahead of stated goals of security, etc | Nov 30 15:53 |
| fewa | say hello to chernobyl 2 http://www.democracynow.org/2009/11/25/as_us_probes_radiation_at_three | Nov 30 16:00 |
| fewa | I am actually in favor of nuclear power | Nov 30 16:00 |
| fewa | but using politics to try to defy engineering is the peak of arrogence | Nov 30 16:01 |
| fewa | the plants near sea level should be dismantled | Nov 30 16:03 |
| fewa | or they will horribly pollute the oceans when the water rises | Nov 30 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Nuclear water.... I guess landfill do this anyway.. | Nov 30 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Recycling needed | Nov 30 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I started months ago | Nov 30 16:24 |
| fewa | started what? | Nov 30 16:31 |
| fewa | recycling your basic waste? | Nov 30 16:32 |
| fewa | good idea | Nov 30 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Oh cool... | Nov 30 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Re: documentary on the business of fear | Nov 30 16:44 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Mr. Shestowitz, | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > We are busy preparing a documentary on the business of fear. We'll start | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > with Y2K and will end with the current suine flu. | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > It will be a coproduction including several, swiss, french and american | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > broadcasters. | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > Concerning the bug, we'll interview politicians, IT consultants, | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > journalists, historians, sociologist, and many different people who | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > took part in some ways to | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > this issue in Europe as well as in the Unites States. | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > I came across several articles concerning the GartnerGroup you posted on | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > the site "boycottnovell" | Nov 30 16:45 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > As we are interested in Gartner's role during the period 1997-2000, I'd | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > like to ask you some questions on Gartner's "transparency", research | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > methods, conflict of interest, dominant position, a.s.o. | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | > Could you please contact me in order to discuss this matter. | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Dear Romain Miranda, | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for contacting me. Yes, Gartner is one among several analysts that I am familiar with because of their role in selling fear. I possess court documents that help in exposing E-mails between Gartner and clients who coordinated fear, uncertainty, and doubt campaigns. I also have invoices. | Nov 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz | I would be delighted to answer questions and provide you with evidence as I have watched the Gartner Group for years. | Nov 30 16:48 |
| fewa | Cool | Nov 30 16:55 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you very much for answering, it seems i knocked on the right door. | Nov 30 17:32 |
| schestowitz | > I might of course be very interested by the documents you are mentioning. Do you have something specific on the lobbying Gartner did before 31.12.00 ? | Nov 30 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I have a variety of them. Here is one from 1998 (part of a chain). | Nov 30 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I want you to have a look at this one for example [PX02817, PDF, ATT.], which was shown in antitrust litigation before settlement that took it away from public sight. Microsoft paid a lot of money for this type of stuff to disappear, but I made a copy while I could. It is attached. | Nov 30 17:32 |
| schestowitz | > P.s. by the, way although we still can change it, we plan to be around manchester on the 22nd of january. Do you know if you'll be in the region too ? | Nov 30 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I sure will be. I will be very happy to meet you. | Nov 30 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It's this: | Nov 30 17:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=100000 | Nov 30 17:33 |
| schestowitz | This looks authentic.... | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | But someone's a paranoid... | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > Who is this '[...]', who does she work for, what has she | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > worked on in the past. What is the name of her production company. | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > Maybe tey are a fals-flag company who are going to produce a | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > 'dumentary' on how the illumati are controlling things. Like, try to | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > discredit you ?? | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > -- | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | > just because I'm paranoid don't mean they aren't out to get me o( | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Look at the domain she's posting from. It can't be faked. | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/index.html?siteSect=100000 | Nov 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Re: manipulation throught fear .. | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > You should see these documentaries for a brilliant depiction of how to | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > manipulate peopel through fear, uncertainty and Doubt .. :) | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > The Trap - Adam Curtis documentary - BBC | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAluyt5_kic | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > (see attached text file) | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > The Power of Nightmares | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I've seen all these before (this year). The Trap is better. | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | fewa: you should watch these too | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I was sent some more good documentaries last night | Nov 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | [..] | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | : journalist at swiss tv | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Location: Geneva Area, Switzerland | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Industry: Media Production | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | -- | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | OK, she's a journalist. But try and get more generic stuff about | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Gartner, not just MS material. And don't bombard her with masses of | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | matereial, it's a bit too much overload. Remember most peopel don't | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | know about this ... | Nov 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | ^^quote | Nov 30 18:10 |
| MinceR | http://abstrusegoose.com/ | Nov 30 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! | Nov 30 20:44 |
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