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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 2nd, 2010

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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Deutschlandfunk, Deutschlandradio and the Nation of #NewZealand Show the Way Regarding So2ftware Patentability http://ur1.ca/svaaApr 02 00:17
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Deutschlandfunk, Deutschlandradio, and the Nation of New Zealand Show the Way Regarding Software Patentability | Techrights .::. Size~: 85.28 KBApr 02 00:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The filtering system in Thunderbird 3 (in its current state) is badly malfunctioning. Useless to lurk COLA...Apr 02 00:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Fortunately I can use the old score file. There is no way to add new nyms :-(Apr 02 00:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OOXML Crony Admits That “ #Microsoft Fails the Standards Test” http://ur1.ca/svcf #odf #corruption #standardApr 02 00:36
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: OOXML Crony Admits That “Microsoft Fails the Standards Test” | Techrights .::. Size~: 81.04 KBApr 02 00:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Happens Next in the #SCO Case (Post #Novell ) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/01/what-sco-may-do-next/Apr 02 01:13
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: What Happens Next in the SCO Case (Post Novell) | Techrights .::. Size~: 79.28 KBApr 02 01:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] What about Novell losing the WordPerfect case to Microsoft, or was that yet another April's Fool?Apr 02 01:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Questioning #Ubuntu ’s Direction http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/01/ubuntu-leadership-vision/ #yahoo #microsoft #canonical #search #coupApr 02 01:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst no, it was realApr 02 01:45
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Questioning Ubuntus Direction | Techrights .::. Size~: 79.2 KBApr 02 01:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: the WordPerfect case? And Novell slips that trojan (Mono and Moonlie) in for their "partners"?Apr 02 01:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It is perfectly clear that Microsoft "eliminated" WordPerfect. I've used and preferred it for years.Apr 02 01:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It is perfectly clear that Microsoft "eliminated" WordPerfect. I've used and preferred it for years.Apr 02 01:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Microsoft Word didn't even come close to WordPerfect, also their spreadsheets app "PlanPerfect" was great.Apr 02 01:56
DaemonFCHe means before WordPerfect was left to stagnate and inserted DRM spyware I supposeApr 02 02:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some Examples of Businesses That Use #GNU #Linux on the Desktop http://ur1.ca/svlcApr 02 02:15
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Linux and Small Business: The Ongoing Disconnect | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 64.59 KBApr 02 02:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How the Resistance to 'Crapware' in #GNU #Linux Affects Cost http://ur1.ca/svlq http://ur1.ca/svlrApr 02 02:18
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Linux, Where Crapware Goes to Die | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 78.84 KBApr 02 02:18
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Raiden's Realm: The Taxes of the Tech World - Linux, Microsoft, and More! .::. Size~: 36.12 KBApr 02 02:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux Routers, #GNU #Linux Servers Expected http://ur1.ca/svlx http://ur1.ca/svlzApr 02 02:21
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Linux-ready Linksys 802.11n router rev'd  - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.49 KBApr 02 02:21
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:   Solaris at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 24.94 KBApr 02 02:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Latest Stable #Linux (Kernel Space) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/the-kernel-column-85/Apr 02 02:22
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The kernel column #85 | Linux User .::. Size~: 29.2 KBApr 02 02:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Grows Further, #MeeGo Release Announced http://ur1.ca/svm6 http://ur1.ca/svm7 http://ur1.ca/svm8Apr 02 02:23
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Creator of Linpus Lite Joins Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 13.54 KBApr 02 02:23
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The first MeeGo release [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 12.85 KBApr 02 02:23
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: MeeGo code released for netbooks, the N900, and Aava phone - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 65.05 KBApr 02 02:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Viewnior 1.0 is Released http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/viewnior-10-released-still-fast-awesome.htmlApr 02 02:24
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: OMG! Ubuntu!: Viewnior 1.0 Released; still fast, awesome image viewer .::. Size~: 82.13 KBApr 02 02:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kim Kardashian to Promote K Desktop Environment ( #KDE SC), #GNOME 2.30 Released http://ur1.ca/sqzz http://ur1.ca/svmgApr 02 02:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Has New Magazine, #Gentoo Has Birthday http://ur1.ca/svmh http://ur1.ca/svmjApr 02 02:26
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: GNOME Project Updates Free Desktop with 2.30 Release .::. Size~: 8.7 KBApr 02 02:26
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: April 2010 Issue of The NEW PCLinuxOS Magazine Released | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 28.36 KBApr 02 02:26
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Tux Wears Fedora: Happy Birthday, Gentoo! .::. Size~: 103.23 KBApr 02 02:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #PureOS Distribution http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/reviews/pureos-20-screenshotsApr 02 02:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] An interesting site, Transparency International. http://www.transparency.org/Apr 02 02:30
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:     Transparency International     .::. Size~: 20.22 KBApr 02 02:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint 8 “Helena” Xfce is Out, #RedHat 6 Near http://ur1.ca/svo6 http://ur1.ca/svo8Apr 02 02:39
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Linux Mint Blog  » Blog Archive   » Linux Mint 8 Helena Xfce released! .::. Size~: 21.66 KBApr 02 02:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I think I am going to go back to Evolution from Thunderbird: it is feeling great. :-) #gnomeApr 02 03:26
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DaemonFCtime to RMA my new GPUApr 02 03:35
DaemonFCgrrrApr 02 03:35
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yuhongNow that MS is finally supporting SVG, I want to mention this:Apr 02 03:53
yuhonghttp://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2006/11/10/1054354.aspxApr 02 03:53
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Old New Thing : Converting an HRESULT to a Win32 error code: Diagram and answer to exercise .::. Size~: 90.23 KBApr 02 03:53
yuhong"If you are offended by VML, cover your ears and hum for a while."Apr 02 03:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Just felt sad seeing a picture of all my old Brazilian workmates. Best working experience of my life.Apr 02 03:53
cubezzzbahApr 02 03:54
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cubezzzthe net is better without Microsoft crapApr 02 03:56
cubezzz"VML was submitted as a proposed standard to the W3C in 1998 by Autodesk, Hewlett-Packard, Macromedia, Microsoft, and Visio"Apr 02 03:56
craig___Looks like the MONO team are trying to infect Grub with itApr 02 03:56
cubezzzno one uses VRML either, remember that? :)Apr 02 03:56
craig___http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/233/Apr 02 03:56
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: APEBOX.ORG -  » Blog Archive   » Introducing Larval Editor .::. Size~: 14.17 KBApr 02 03:57
cubezzzcraig___, fortunately I use old grub :)Apr 02 03:57
cubezzzstarting to see older as better more and moreApr 02 03:57
cubezzzthings usually start well, then go downhillApr 02 03:58
craig___hopefully the contamination is only limited to Ubuntu and does not make it into upstream (I'm seriously considering moving to Mandriva)Apr 02 03:59
cubezzzI just don't care about IEApr 02 03:59
craig___IE?Apr 02 04:00
cubezzzexactly :)Apr 02 04:00
cubezzzthe main problem with old is none of the younger users want to know about itApr 02 04:01
craig___I think I'm a "younger user" :)Apr 02 04:01
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cubezzzpeople are doing a terrible job of archiving stuffApr 02 04:03
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craig___I need to go to bedApr 02 04:04
craig___g'nightApr 02 04:04
cubezzzlaterApr 02 04:04
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cubezzzmyself included, I didn't archive everythingApr 02 04:04
cubezzzmy Amiga disks went to disk heavenApr 02 04:05
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cubezzznow some stuff I don't miss at all, like WordPerfectApr 02 04:06
cubezzzand WordstarApr 02 04:06
cubezzzand MInceApr 02 04:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The truth about Obama http://ur1.ca/sw8zApr 02 05:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @edwardvirtually "Personal traits will be used to screen US-bound passengers" http://bit.ly/cbvIv5 //what a freaking joke #fear #paranoiaApr 02 06:02
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Personal traits will be used to screen U.S.-bound air passengers - latimes.com .::. Size~: 110.57 KBApr 02 06:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreatIndianSale @zenrainman #Bangalore area desperately short of #water due to overdevelopment, sewage, #pollution http://bit.ly/b0XdrNApr 02 06:06
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Building activity sucks City dry .::. Size~: 74.38 KBApr 02 06:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (#Bangalore's #water problem today is our problem tomorrow. #China's #pollution problem today is ours tomorrow. Etc)Apr 02 06:07
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Ender2070http://www.xkcd.com/717/Apr 02 06:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] #shotofjaq goes Doba in "the war iof the editors" - save your time by missing this episode, the answer is "No"Apr 02 06:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] is every #shotofjaq from now on gonna be this moronic or is it just a one off joke that lasts 10 mins longer than it needs to be?Apr 02 06:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Editing Shot Of Jaq #shotofjaqApr 02 06:58
Ender2070http://dot.kde.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilationsApr 02 07:01
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Announcing the Upcoming Release of New Customized KDE Software Compilations | KDE.news .::. Size~: 23.81 KBApr 02 07:01
DaemonFC"Praise be to the Tea Party for purging the merely incompetent Republicans and replacing them with dedicated and truly evil drones instead." -meApr 02 07:03
DaemonFC:)Apr 02 07:04
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Omar87Hello, folks!Apr 02 07:06
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DaemonFChttp://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/another-rant-grrrr-newegg-bad-actually-getting-a-refund-good/Apr 02 07:46
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Another rant&.grrrr!!! Newegg bad!!! Actually getting a refund GOOD!!!! « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 38.33 KBApr 02 07:46
omar_schestowitz, pingApr 02 07:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] I will not mind if my govt choose html5 instead of odf Or doc. HTML5 technology is forever. but yes, I love html5 and .odf. I only hate .docApr 02 07:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Just noticed Mint 8 XFCE is out on 31/3/10 \o/ - I feel a day of reinstalling coming on http://tinyurl.com/yjat9y2Apr 02 07:59
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 122.48 KBApr 02 07:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #OpenSourceAmman was amazing! It was such a great pleasure to meet all these amazing people from #Jeeran, #FreeSoft and the others. :-)Apr 02 08:00
omar_Guys, I would like to introduce to you: FreeSoft.jo! (www.freesoft.jo)Apr 02 08:00
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Omar87It is the main Free Software company in Jordan. (Yes, I said "Free Software" NOT just "Open Source")Apr 02 08:02
tessierIt probably translates better in your language.Apr 02 08:07
tessierEnglish is unfortunate in this case. :(Apr 02 08:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu 10.04 and #FreeBSD 7.3 http://ur1.ca/swra http://ur1.ca/swrbApr 02 08:11
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Ubuntu 10.04 Beta One Released  My First Impressions | Tech Cores .::. Size~: 57.92 KBApr 02 08:11
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: FreeBSD 7.3-release: I'm not done yet - CLICK .::. Size~: 30.75 KBApr 02 08:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Ahead of #Windows in Some 'Mobile' Chipsets http://ur1.ca/swrtApr 02 08:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Phone Has Better Functionality Than #iPhone http://www.handlewithlinux.com/bphone-linux-phone-rotate-screenApr 02 08:16
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Why have an Iphone if you can have a Bphone? Linux, rotating screen, Cool | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 30.47 KBApr 02 08:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] All my sincere greetings to Mr. Kefah Issa from FreeSoft for spreading the awareness about Free Software last night! #OpenSourceAmmanApr 02 08:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Experiences With #Android / #Linux and New Rumours About Decoupling http://ur1.ca/swsf http://ur1.ca/swsgApr 02 08:18
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Android on HTC Kaiser (Tilt 8925) .::. Size~: 93.92 KBApr 02 08:18
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Google mum on Android split-up rumor - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.27 KBApr 02 08:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web http://post.ly/XCilApr 02 08:19
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web - Narendra Sisodiya's posterous .::. Size~: 25.87 KBApr 02 08:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fusion of Proprietary and #FreeSoftware With #Prefab http://ur1.ca/swsm http://ur1.ca/swso http://ur1.ca/swspApr 02 08:21
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: New Application Could Make All Software 'open Source' - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 58.99 KBApr 02 08:21
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:  Prefab system 'makes all software open source' | TG Daily .::. Size~: 45.66 KBApr 02 08:21
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Is Prefab legal? | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 79.81 KBApr 02 08:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Signs of #FreeSoftware Gaining Ground in #Education http://ur1.ca/swsz http://ur1.ca/swt0Apr 02 08:23
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The Journal: State Leaders Weigh In on Open Source Assessment « Free Trader Beowulf .::. Size~: 31.68 KBApr 02 08:23
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: A K12 Educators Guide to Open Source Software «  Máirín Duffy .::. Size~: 41.82 KBApr 02 08:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Turns to #Direct2D http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20001469-264.htmlApr 02 08:24
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Firefox coders propose fast-graphics deadline | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 88.19 KBApr 02 08:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SaaS at #JumpBox Depends on #FreeSoftware http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/28/jumpbox-delivering-open-source-as-a-service/Apr 02 08:26
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: JumpBox: Delivering "Open Source as a Service" | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 48.98 KBApr 02 08:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Funding for Free/Open Source Software on the Increase http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/59516Apr 02 08:37
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Enterprise Open Source is Booming | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 80.09 KBApr 02 08:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Public-i Releases Software Under the European Public License (EUPL) http://ur1.ca/swudApr 02 08:38
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Online Petitioning Software Made Public - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 31.55 KBApr 02 08:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Document Freedom Day a Major Threat to Microsoft's Monoculture http://ur1.ca/swuh http://ur1.ca/swui http://ur1.ca/swujApr 02 08:40
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The importance of Document Freedom Day explained by Microsoft job offer | Stop! .::. Size~: 13.78 KBApr 02 08:40
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: ODF Alliance Weblog .::. Size~: 17.14 KBApr 02 08:40
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Why I support Document Freedom Day « Off the Wall .::. Size~: 28.53 KBApr 02 08:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Law Set Free With Openness in the #OpenAccess Sense http://opensource.com/law/10/3/lawgov-opening-primary-legal-materialsApr 02 08:42
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Law.Gov -- opening up primary legal materials  | opensource.com .::. Size~: 36.43 KBApr 02 08:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia 's Conroy Subverts #Democracy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/29/google-yahoo-australia-internet-filterApr 02 08:43
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Google and Yahoo criticise Australia's 'heavy-handed' internet filter plans |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 186.49 KBApr 02 08:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Plague of #Flash at Risk due to #HTML5 http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/11952.htmlApr 02 08:44
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Flash clash .::. Size~: 37.63 KBApr 02 08:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolists Want to Intrude People's Computers http://government.zdnet.com/?p=8559Apr 02 08:45
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: What's inside your home is yours, except computer files | ZDNet Government | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 116.38 KBApr 02 08:45
oiaohmThe cutting android down to core makes sence.Apr 02 08:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@LusciousPear Cthulhu and Phthalate are best friends, right? #chemistry // Crowley and Lovecraft's #PokemonApr 02 08:49
Ender2070Pokemon!Apr 02 08:53
Ender2070Gotta catch em allApr 02 08:53
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schestowitzHey, tessierApr 02 08:58
schestowitzcraig___ is wrongApr 02 09:07
schestowitzIt was April Fool's, I hopeApr 02 09:07
schestowitzhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2010/04/01/nasa-launches-giant-magnifying-glass-into-space-to-collect-solar-energy/Apr 02 09:14
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: NASA Launches Giant Magnifying Glass into Space to Collect Solar Energy | Inhabitat .::. Size~: 115.49 KBApr 02 09:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If anyone is interested in nice scientific videos, Aron Ra and Potholer seem like good channels http://ur1.ca/swym http://ur1.ca/swynApr 02 09:16
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- AronRa's Channel .::. Size~: 100.41 KBApr 02 09:16
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: YouTube- potholer54's Channel .::. Size~: 97.17 KBApr 02 09:16
Ender2070lol obviouslyApr 02 09:20
schestowitzThe guy who was here earlier didn't see itApr 02 09:21
schestowitzIt was so obvious, I man, WHO THE HECK programs in Moonlie?!?!Apr 02 09:21
schestowitz*meanApr 02 09:21
oiaohmschestowitz: some people need to be careful what they joke about.Apr 02 09:21
oiaohmSpace based reflectors have already been done.  Just not on s scale to be human killing.Apr 02 09:22
oiaohmWe don't need to give some goverments around the world more ideas to kill humans.Apr 02 09:22
schestowitzNot even Microsoft uses Silverlie to make proggiesApr 02 09:22
Diablo-D3hehApr 02 09:22
Ender2070lolApr 02 09:22
Diablo-D3that nasa thing is sorta old newsApr 02 09:22
Ender2070hey Diablo-D3Apr 02 09:23
schestowitzNASA's probes won't work far from EarthApr 02 09:23
schestowitzNo solar energyApr 02 09:23
schestowitzThey use some nuclear preservesApr 02 09:23
schestowitzThen crash them into gas giants at the endApr 02 09:24
oiaohmDefine far.  Solar collection alone works out to Mar's for sure.Apr 02 09:25
schestowitzhttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/androidguyscom/~3/9YDx9NBa98Q/Apr 02 09:25
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.57 KBApr 02 09:25
schestowitzoiaohm: further away from the SunApr 02 09:25
schestowitzhttp://www.androidguys.com/2010/04/01/sloof-lirpa-person-shooter/Apr 02 09:26
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Sloof Lirpa  First Person Shooter | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 36.47 KBApr 02 09:26
schestowitzHow long before 2ghz mobile processors with 1600px screens?Apr 02 09:26
Diablo-D3I can already buy laptops with 1920x1200 screensApr 02 09:26
schestowitzGoogle reckons desktop are the old guard\Apr 02 09:26
schestowitzDiablo-D3: different pixel densityApr 02 09:27
Diablo-D3yes, very highApr 02 09:27
schestowitzSixth Sense has potentialApr 02 09:27
schestowitzWe don't need so much energyApr 02 09:27
schestowitzJust projectilesApr 02 09:27
schestowitzAll it takes to give input is some representation of the dataApr 02 09:28
schestowitzThe light can come from a dense sourceApr 02 09:28
Ender2070Diablo-D3 - can you recommend any java programming sites?Apr 02 09:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No more O2 complaints.....Finally confirmed my move away....I won't be whining about it anymore.....They will never get my custom again.Apr 02 09:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On happier news, house is finally clean (after builders left it in a layer of dust)Apr 02 09:31
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtmlApr 02 09:39
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schestowitz\0/Apr 02 09:39
schestowitzSend him to GitmoApr 02 09:39
DaemonFCIt's not like it's that hard to lie and get a warrant vbased on false "probable cause"Apr 02 09:45
DaemonFCbut then there is a paper trail later if they get discoveredApr 02 09:45
DaemonFCso unconstitutional wiretapping was basically a way to avoid accountability later if it was proven their grounds for obtaining a warrant were frivolous Apr 02 09:46
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_goblinhi allApr 02 09:49
schestowitzhttp://hackersramblings.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/announcing-the-fedora-12-newbie-remix/Apr 02 09:52
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schestowitzMorning, _goblinApr 02 09:52
schestowitzDay offApr 02 09:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] It's particularly easy to get the encouragement you need from ... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11Apr 02 09:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.opera.com/portal/inspace/Apr 02 09:52
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schestowitzhttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/different-kind-of-company-name.htmlApr 02 09:53
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Official Google Blog: A different kind of company name .::. Size~: 87.59 KBApr 02 09:53
schestowitzhttp://shermann.name/content/breaking-news-google-is-going-to-acquire-novell-and-the-unix-copyrightApr 02 09:53
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:   Breaking News: Google is going to acquire Novell and the Unix copyright | shermanns life .::. Size~: 28.85 KBApr 02 09:53
schestowitzhttp://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/03/huge-oracle-buys-ubuntu.htmlApr 02 09:55
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: [HUGE] Oracle buys Ubuntu!!! | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 93.5 KBApr 02 09:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: Wouldn't that make them a party to the Microsoft agreement?Apr 02 09:56
DaemonFCis there a way to withdraw from that?Apr 02 09:56
_goblinschestowitz: Yes day off....would cost too much to get me to work today!Apr 02 09:56
Diablo-D3Ender2070: java has a manual, you knowApr 02 09:57
DaemonFCApril Fools Day was yesterdayApr 02 09:57
DaemonFC:PApr 02 09:57
sebsebseb_goblin: saw your two tweets here earlierApr 02 09:57
sebsebseb_goblin: niceApr 02 09:57
_goblinfinally got rid of o2Apr 02 09:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: heh Oracle buying Ubuntu I guess that's the April fools jokeApr 02 09:57
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6310E120100402?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNewsApr 02 09:58
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: U.S. to impose new airline security measures| Reuters .::. Size~: 55.14 KBApr 02 09:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: not gone on link yetApr 02 09:58
_goblini fell for the Ballmer and Microsoft Linux on TuxmachinesApr 02 09:58
_goblinfor about 2 minsApr 02 09:58
DaemonFCNew ways to frisk grandma while the guy in the turban with a bomb in his ass walks right pastApr 02 09:58
DaemonFCtypical government bullshitApr 02 09:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh it's not hte 1st anymoreApr 02 09:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: so your the fool of the year?Apr 02 09:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] sounds like widget http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/ RT: @eduvid: idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web http://post.ly/XCilApr 02 09:58
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Widget Packaging and Configuration .::. Size~: 300.06 KBApr 02 09:58
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web - Narendra Sisodiya's posterous .::. Size~: 25.87 KBApr 02 09:59
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040103584.htmlApr 02 10:00
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DaemonFC"Shortly after midnight, the suspected pirates fired on the USS Nicholas west of the Seychelles Islands in an apparent attempt to seize the ship and hold it for ransom. The 453-foot frigate returned fire, sinking one boat and seizing the mother ship, the Navy said in a statement."Apr 02 10:01
DaemonFChaha, dumbassesApr 02 10:01
DaemonFCpwnedApr 02 10:01
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-20001581-36.htmlApr 02 10:01
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Geeky in-jokes dominate April Fools' Day 2010 | The Social - CNET News .::. Size~: 96.25 KBApr 02 10:01
sebsebsebDaemonFC: uhmm the date? did that really  happen?Apr 02 10:01
DaemonFCsebsebseb: What were they trying to attack a US Navy frigate with is what I want to knowApr 02 10:02
sebsebsebwell go on these links soonApr 02 10:02
DaemonFCthat thing isn't an unarmed luxury yachtApr 02 10:02
DaemonFC:)Apr 02 10:02
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/April-Fools-Day-Jokes-pranks,10048.html http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2010/04/01/top-5-april-fools-day-jokes-2010/Apr 02 10:02
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Top 10 List: An April Fool's Day Round Up .::. Size~: 87.07 KBApr 02 10:02
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Top 5 April Fools Day jokes 2010 - TECH.BLORGE.com .::. Size~: 42.33 KBApr 02 10:02
sebsebsebfor some of us it kind of is yesterday still since...Apr 02 10:02
schestowitzWhat's hawaii's timezone?Apr 02 10:03
sebsebsebI don't mean time zonesApr 02 10:03
schestowitzIs it east or west?Apr 02 10:03
DaemonFCHow stupid do you have to be to attack a large US Navy ship with a couple AK-47s and an RPG?Apr 02 10:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: Taliban stupidApr 02 10:03
DaemonFCsecondly, can I have some of what they must have been smoking?Apr 02 10:03
schestowitzLet's coin itApr 02 10:03
schestowitzLike "Tom Cruise crazy"Apr 02 10:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: it's 10:52pm there unless bot in another channel on another network is wrongApr 02 10:04
DaemonFCschestowitz:  Nothing like going bear hunting with a pop gun :PApr 02 10:04
schestowitzThis plugin is so niceApr 02 10:06
schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/news-today/921-two-awesome-plugins-for-gimpApr 02 10:06
schestowitzExtrapolation of some sortApr 02 10:07
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gT2pMkqdTPr-BexEsYe0cVuO8AKQApr 02 10:07
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: AFP: Abortion doctor killer gets life; no parole for 50 yrs .::. Size~: 10.91 KBApr 02 10:07
schestowitzDon't worryApr 02 10:07
DaemonFC"Scott Roeder, 52, was pulled out of the courtroom screaming "you have the blood of babies on your hands" after the sentence was handed down."Apr 02 10:07
schestowitzI'm sure he believes Jesus waits for him 'upstairs' after deathApr 02 10:07
DaemonFCI'd shout back "Say hi to Bubba!"Apr 02 10:07
DaemonFC"Uh huh, that's nice....bye bye now!"Apr 02 10:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.siltala.net/2010/04/01/ubuntu-to-be-licensed-under-friendiler-version-of-the-gpl/Apr 02 10:09
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DaemonFCWhat's disgusting is that you can murder someone and get less time than for possession of drugsApr 02 10:10
DaemonFCif there were no aggravating circumstances, he would have only served 25 years of the life sentenceApr 02 10:10
DaemonFCthey're tying up prison capacity with nonviolent petty offenders and paroling the murderersApr 02 10:11
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schestowitzhttp://www.mailstation.de/wordpress/?p=12 http://gentoofan23.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/mood-excited/Apr 02 10:12
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Gentoo packs it up  joins Exherbo «  Philantrop's Blog .::. Size~: 9.08 KBApr 02 10:12
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schestowitzDaemonFC: over 2 million in prisonApr 02 10:12
schestowitzAlmost 1 in a hundredApr 02 10:12
DaemonFCThe government needs a priority realignmentApr 02 10:12
schestowitzThat's how bad you are doingApr 02 10:12
schestowitzUp from 1 million to 2 million in just abotu 14 yearsApr 02 10:12
DaemonFCnonviolent offenders should be paroled way sooner than murderersApr 02 10:12
schestowitzAnd you also have FEMA prison campsApr 02 10:13
DaemonFCthose are a mythApr 02 10:13
schestowitzI think they can accommodatealmost 10 millionApr 02 10:13
DaemonFCa conservative teabagger mythApr 02 10:13
DaemonFCdon't tell me you believe that?Apr 02 10:13
schestowitzI saw a documentaryApr 02 10:13
schestowitzNot 2 million?Apr 02 10:13
DaemonFCI drove past one of these alleged locations in Goshen, IndianaApr 02 10:13
schestowitzAnd FEMA things are for national disastersApr 02 10:13
DaemonFCthere is no FEMA death camp thereApr 02 10:13
schestowitzNoApr 02 10:14
DaemonFCunless they're building it undergroundApr 02 10:14
schestowitzThat's the alarmist idiotsApr 02 10:14
schestowitzThe camps do exist but not for the stated purposesApr 02 10:14
schestowitzRemember treatment of "Japs" in WW2Apr 02 10:14
DaemonFCschestowitz: There are no campsApr 02 10:14
DaemonFCthey're a figment of the crazy conservative imaginationApr 02 10:14
schestowitzHold onApr 02 10:14
schestowitzNoApr 02 10:15
schestowitzI called them campsApr 02 10:15
schestowitzYou call them soemthing elseApr 02 10:15
schestowitzAnd they built more of themApr 02 10:15
schestowitzit's not maliciousApr 02 10:15
DaemonFCI've seen those lousy stupid FEMA death camp conspiracy videosApr 02 10:15
DaemonFCthey're totally unfoundedApr 02 10:15
Omar87schestowitz, last night's Open Source Camp Jordan was awesome.Apr 02 10:15
schestowitzhttp://skeptoid.com/episodes/4145Apr 02 10:15
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: FEMA Prison Camps .::. Size~: 31.84 KBApr 02 10:15
schestowitzThis debunks the liesApr 02 10:15
schestowitzIt's not what the likes of 'Jones' and other nuts sayApr 02 10:16
schestowitzBut the facilities do existApr 02 10:16
schestowitzOmar87: very goodApr 02 10:16
DaemonFCschestowitz: It's better than how the Japanese treated POWsApr 02 10:16
DaemonFChint: starvation, unethical medical experiments, etc.Apr 02 10:16
Omar87schestowitz, I met a man named Kefah Issa, he's the founder of FreeSoft (http://freesoft.jo/), and he's a devoted advocate of Free Software in Jordan..Apr 02 10:17
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schestowitzSee the comments, DaemonFCApr 02 10:17
schestowitzIt's funnyApr 02 10:17
DaemonFCat least we feed and clothe our prisonersApr 02 10:17
schestowitzNice site, Omar87Apr 02 10:17
Omar87schestowitz, yeah. :)Apr 02 10:18
Omar87schestowitz, once he took the mic. and mentioned the words "Free Software", I was like "YES!! FINALLY!!!" :DApr 02 10:19
DaemonFCschestowitz: The Japanese internment camps were certainly unconstitutional detention, but they were abused, starved, or experimented uponApr 02 10:19
DaemonFCit really amounts to a few years in jail for no reason, which is bad, but hardly crimes against humanity type stuffApr 02 10:19
DaemonFCand they sued the government and wonApr 02 10:20
schestowitzhttp://www.geeksmack.net/industry-news/1219-exclusive-microsoft-says-windows-will-cease-distributionApr 02 10:20
schestowitzAt lastApr 02 10:20
DaemonFCwhich is what typically happens when you're exonerated of a crime and sueApr 02 10:20
schestowitzReparationsApr 02 10:21
DaemonFCyesApr 02 10:21
schestowitzIsrael should offer reparations for GazaApr 02 10:21
schestowitzNot that they would, too arrogantApr 02 10:21
DaemonFCdoes it make up for the years they were detained? No. Does it help set things right? Yes. Would a totally corrupt government let you sue it and win? No.Apr 02 10:22
schestowitzBTW, I tried to show you a video about black's reparations the other dayApr 02 10:22
schestowitzI think you were away at the timeApr 02 10:22
DaemonFCI'd say people blow the interment camps out of proportionsApr 02 10:22
schestowitzYeahApr 02 10:22
DaemonFCschestowitz: No black person is entitled to reparations, IMOApr 02 10:22
DaemonFCformer slaves are all dead many years ago of old ageApr 02 10:23
schestowitz"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither, and will lose both."-Benjamin Franklin Apr 02 10:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: they are economically deprives because of ancestryApr 02 10:23
schestowitz*vedApr 02 10:23
DaemonFCreparations should only be paid to the victimApr 02 10:23
DaemonFCthey are notApr 02 10:23
schestowitzTell that to victims of Auschwitz, DaemonFCApr 02 10:23
DaemonFCI wouldn't argue that 150 years from now, Germany should pay their great great great great grandchildrenApr 02 10:24
DaemonFCthat would be ridiculousApr 02 10:24
DaemonFCthe ones alive today have either not been wronged, or have the legal framework in place to sue over the odd isolated incidentApr 02 10:26
DaemonFCmany of them are complaining much louder than the situation meritsApr 02 10:26
DaemonFCand they really are a damned nuisanceApr 02 10:26
DaemonFC"If you see barbed wire around a train yard, consider the possibility of other explanations (like the train company doesn't need stuff being stolen)"Apr 02 10:28
DaemonFC(or some asshole trespassing on the property, hurting themselves, and suing the company)Apr 02 10:28
DaemonFCthat's more likelyApr 02 10:28
DaemonFCI happen to think the laws should be changed to remove standing to file a lawsuit if you were on the property with the intent of committing an illegal actApr 02 10:29
DaemonFCcall me wild and crazy there I guessApr 02 10:29
DaemonFCactually, I also think the owner of a property should be held harmless for anything that happens to an intruder, including being shot or whacked over the head with somethingApr 02 10:31
DaemonFCanother far out concept thereApr 02 10:31
DaemonFCif homeowners had more rights than the intruder, there would be far fewer robberies and far less vandalismApr 02 10:32
DaemonFCSomeone spray painting the side of your building? Hell with them. Take the shot.Apr 02 10:33
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxformat.co.uk/content/linux-your-iphoneApr 02 10:33
DaemonFCSomeone stealing your car? Say hello to the baseball bat.Apr 02 10:33
DaemonFC:)Apr 02 10:33
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schestowitzChinese people built US rail tooApr 02 10:33
schestowitzBut..Apr 02 10:33
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schestowitzIt's now the US which owes money to ChinaApr 02 10:34
schestowitzNow the other way aroundApr 02 10:34
DaemonFCwouldn't take long for the message to ring out loud and clear that if you steal or vandalize, you will be dealt withApr 02 10:34
schestowitzIs it 15 trillion in debt yet? How many months away from that?Apr 02 10:34
schestowitz'Bama cut NASA moon exploration off the hookApr 02 10:34
DaemonFCif it was up to me I would authorize defense of personal property by any and all meansApr 02 10:34
DaemonFCincluding lethal forceApr 02 10:34
schestowitzCause you're a thugApr 02 10:35
schestowitz:-pApr 02 10:35
DaemonFCnopeApr 02 10:35
DaemonFCI would never shoot someone without a damned good reasonApr 02 10:35
schestowitzI thought you were much shorter than 6 4Apr 02 10:35
DaemonFCtrying to steal my car?Apr 02 10:35
schestowitzAnd you're filled with rageApr 02 10:35
DaemonFCyou may get a few warning shotsApr 02 10:35
schestowitzDangerous combinationApr 02 10:35
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Yakov SmirnoffApr 02 10:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Going through the list of gsoc 2010 projects to see if i can discover some new foss stuff!Apr 02 10:36
DaemonFConce said something like "I love America, you have nice things here, like warning shots"Apr 02 10:36
DaemonFCB-)Apr 02 10:36
schestowitzhttp://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/04/debian-squeeze-linux---where-i.htmlApr 02 10:37
phIRCe-BNcomTitle:     Debian Squeeze Linux - Where Is It?  - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 103.2 KBApr 02 10:37
schestowitzhttp://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/google-asks-are-you-done-sandwichApr 02 10:38
DaemonFCnow, invading my home with intent to murder me might qualify for getting shotApr 02 10:38
DaemonFCI suppose that makes me unbalanced Apr 02 10:39
schestowitzhttp://www.clickonf5.org/google/google-empire-dont-be-evil/7023Apr 02 10:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: but you areApr 02 10:39
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phIRCe-BNcomhttp://www.clickonf5.org/google/google-empire-dont-be-evil/7023Apr 02 10:39
phIRCe-BNcomDaemonFC: but you areApr 02 10:39
schestowitzThat's why you had seizuresApr 02 10:40
DaemonFChow so?Apr 02 10:40
DaemonFCany reasonable person, given a handgun and a big attacker coming at them with a knife would fireApr 02 10:40
DaemonFCit's the rational thing to doApr 02 10:40
DaemonFCnot doing so would indicate a bizarre deviation from what a "normal" person would doApr 02 10:41
DaemonFC"Yes, please stab me 100 times and rape my corpse"Apr 02 10:41
DaemonFC"I'm too much of a wuss to shoot you"Apr 02 10:41
schestowitzhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564Apr 02 10:41
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schestowitz"Apr 02 10:42
schestowitzMark Shuttleworth  wrote 13 hours ago:    #564Apr 02 10:42
schestowitzThank you to everybody who has participated in this discussion.Apr 02 10:42
schestowitzThe final decision on window controls for 10.04 LTS is as follows:Apr 02 10:42
schestowitz - the window controls will remain on the left, howeverApr 02 10:42
schestowitz - the order will change to be (from left) close, minimize, maximiseApr 02 10:42
schestowitz"Apr 02 10:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mark Shuttleworth insists on buttons on the left https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564Apr 02 10:42
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schestowitzhttp://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=what_the_us_fda_just_banned_caffeine&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1Apr 02 10:43
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schestowitzNoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!Apr 02 10:43
DaemonFCschestowitz: If the state cannot or will not rightly and promptly defend a person, it is the obligation of that person to defend themselvesApr 02 10:43
DaemonFCI don't want my murder to be avenged, maybe, years from nowApr 02 10:44
schestowitzYeah, wel...Apr 02 10:44
DaemonFCI want to shoot the asshole that's about to stab me 100 times and rape my corpseApr 02 10:44
schestowitzLet me find that Onion vid......Apr 02 10:44
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDWo6m5hbG4Apr 02 10:44
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DaemonFCEurope has this mental disease I call "Perpetrator's Rights" to the extent that criminals are allowed to operate with near impunityApr 02 10:45
DaemonFCand if the victim attempts self-defense, THEY are prosecuted for itApr 02 10:45
DaemonFCit's the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard ofApr 02 10:46
schestowitzhttp://www.tgdaily.com/software-brief/49206-firefox-claims-40-of-euro-browser-shareApr 02 10:46
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Firefox claims 40% of Euro browser share | TG Daily .::. Size~: 43.86 KBApr 02 10:46
DaemonFCreally very offensive to meApr 02 10:46
schestowitzLook who's talkingApr 02 10:46
DaemonFCdisgusting that the government ever goes after the victimApr 02 10:46
_goblin__I could respond....I won'tApr 02 10:47
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DaemonFCIf someone breaks into my home, I'll shoot them and work out the particulars laterApr 02 10:48
DaemonFCand that's simply all there is to itApr 02 10:48
_Goblinyou wouldnt work anything out.....I would be a matter for the state to work out what you were (if anything) guilty of.Apr 02 10:49
_Goblin*itApr 02 10:49
DaemonFCall the damned liberals want to do is give the freeloading distant descendants of some slaves free moneyApr 02 10:49
_Goblinsince when have members of the public been empowered to make their own decisions on their own criminality or lack of it?Apr 02 10:49
DaemonFCand punish the homeowner for the act of stopping a criminal with reasonable forceApr 02 10:50
_GoblinDaemonFC: The free money argument can be applied to any part of societyApr 02 10:50
_GoblinDaemonFC: single mothers....the unemployedApr 02 10:50
DaemonFCI'm not that wild about SSI or Medicare eitherApr 02 10:50
_Goblinits called social responsibility.Apr 02 10:50
DaemonFCbut at least those people worked Apr 02 10:50
_GoblinI think you will find many US born people, use the system yet have never worked.Apr 02 10:51
DaemonFCSSI is really not possible to cheatApr 02 10:51
DaemonFCit goes based on how long you worked and how much Social Security Tax you paidApr 02 10:51
DaemonFCand nothing else really factors inApr 02 10:52
_Goblinbut cheating is different.....if its an identifiable "cheat" then it would be a fraud and criminal issueApr 02 10:52
DaemonFCit's therefore not rife with fraud like most other government handout programsApr 02 10:52
_Goblinso then you are happy with SSI?Apr 02 10:52
DaemonFC_Goblin: Happier with that aspect of it than with most welfare programsApr 02 10:52
DaemonFCIt still needs to be protected from government lootingApr 02 10:52
DaemonFCto pay for unrelated expensesApr 02 10:52
DaemonFCIraq War for exampleApr 02 10:53
_Goblinbut then thats surely a fault of government then......not the residents under its systemApr 02 10:53
_Goblinso your comment of "all the damned liberals want to do is give the freeloading distant descendants of some slaves free money" doesnt hold water because by your own admition the fault is the governments.Apr 02 10:54
DaemonFC_Goblin: All I'm saying is that things like Food Stamps, Medicaid, and other such things are rife with fraudApr 02 10:54
DaemonFCmostly due to inconsistent state government policiesApr 02 10:54
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/04/update_microsoft_considered_declined_yahoos_self-serve_ad_business.htmlApr 02 10:54
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_Goblinthen thats an enforcement issue and what you are asking for is more policing?Apr 02 10:54
DaemonFCif all states were as thorough as Indiana, there really would be far less fraudApr 02 10:54
DaemonFCmost freeloaders move to MichiganApr 02 10:54
_Goblinso you want more enforcement?Apr 02 10:55
DaemonFCit's a well known fact that it's easier to get more welfare up thereApr 02 10:55
DaemonFCyesApr 02 10:55
_Goblinso then why are you so anti-law when it comes to other matters...?Apr 02 10:55
DaemonFCthe Feds should not really leave the resource verification guidelines up to the statesApr 02 10:55
DaemonFCthey should make the guidelines Federal with mandatory uniform state complianceApr 02 10:55
_Goblinso by my understanding, you like law, you want more policing, but it has to be done the way you think is right?Apr 02 10:56
DaemonFCthey could and would do that if they really wanted to cut down fraudApr 02 10:56
DaemonFC_Goblin: If the Feds are financing a program with their money, why are they opening the system up to the  weakest link system of swiss cheese state laws?Apr 02 10:56
DaemonFCthat's just incredibly retardedApr 02 10:57
_Goblinbut to be fair, youve never prepared a criminal casefile have you?Apr 02 10:57
_Goblincan you even comprehend how much work is required to prove a case of fraud?Apr 02 10:57
DaemonFCuniform law and application of the law is not an unreasonable thing to ask for reallyApr 02 10:57
DaemonFCeven liberals would get behind that if it wouldn't cut off so many welfare fraudsters supporting themApr 02 10:58
_Goblinno its not, but it has to be requested on the basis of actually knowing what is involved.Apr 02 10:58
satiperaFC but that would mean changing the whole political system in the USApr 02 10:58
_Goblinif the US is anything like the UK then the fraud cases would require more officers to investigate, the net result being MORE cost to the taxpayer.Apr 02 10:58
satiperaTo a non federal systemApr 02 10:58
DaemonFCeasy, the administration is still state level, but the rules are universal and Federally enforcedApr 02 10:59
_Goblinthen I expect you would moan about it costing you more money for frauds to be investigated.Apr 02 10:59
DaemonFCit would be a much more efficient anti-fraud approach than the patchwork they have nowApr 02 10:59
DaemonFCnot at allApr 02 10:59
DaemonFCthe states would use the same enforcement offices they have nowApr 02 10:59
_Goblinit all comes down to priorities......the US has a lot more pressing matters than fraud.Apr 02 10:59
DaemonFCjust playing by Federal rulesApr 02 10:59
satiperaAre you arguing for an end to the federal system?Apr 02 11:00
DaemonFCsatipera: No, arguing for the Federal government to assume the task of laying down the rulesApr 02 11:00
DaemonFCtake the state rule making systems out of the equation entirelyApr 02 11:00
satiperaWell that is interfering with rights of the states that they presently enjoyApr 02 11:01
DaemonFCthat way there's no point in moving to Michigan to defraud the systemApr 02 11:01
DaemonFCit will be as hard as defrauding the system in any other stateApr 02 11:01
satiperaI imagine half the country would have a fit at thisApr 02 11:01
DaemonFCsatipera: WrongApr 02 11:01
DaemonFCthe Feds have the authority as they can withdraw their funding from non-compliant statesApr 02 11:01
DaemonFCthe Feds finance all of food stamps and 2/3rds of MedicaidApr 02 11:01
satiperaYou are saying that the states are not abiding by the current lawApr 02 11:02
DaemonFCthe Governor of Indiana is wasting our Federal Medicate funding by creating an "I can't believe it's not insurance" plan for the poorApr 02 11:02
DaemonFC:)Apr 02 11:02
DaemonFCsatipera: No, I'm saying the states are abiding by whatever law that state has made for signing up for a Federal welfare planApr 02 11:03
satiperaI find it hard to believe that the states are allowed to do something that they are not entitled to doApr 02 11:03
DaemonFCso cheaters just move to the states with the least restrictive policies in placeApr 02 11:03
DaemonFCit's crazy, it never should have been allowedApr 02 11:03
DaemonFCand the Federal government should whip them into line or remove all Federal funding for that programApr 02 11:04
satiperaWell you can't have both a federal system and a system of only central controlApr 02 11:04
DaemonFCthe Federal government has broad legal supremacy over the statesApr 02 11:05
_Goblindaemonfc: Have you ever worked for the government?Apr 02 11:05
satiperaSurely it is a matter of lawApr 02 11:05
DaemonFCincluding threatening to take away Federal funding for thingsApr 02 11:05
DaemonFCthey used that to get the drinking age up to 21 everywhereApr 02 11:05
DaemonFCthey threatened to take away Federal highway fundsApr 02 11:05
DaemonFCand forced the states to change their lawsApr 02 11:05
DaemonFCthat was way more questionable than what I'm suggestingApr 02 11:06
_Goblindaemonfc: Have you ever worked in law enforcement?Apr 02 11:06
DaemonFCWhat I'm suggesting is the Federal government laying down Federal rules for Federally funded systemsApr 02 11:06
satiperaIf there is a legal basis for change and the will then it will happen, else notApr 02 11:06
_Goblingot to go.......bblApr 02 11:07
DaemonFCthere's more precedents than this would needApr 02 11:07
DaemonFCotherwise "Obamacare" wouldn't be mandatoryApr 02 11:07
satiperaI imagine washington only stands on the states toes if it has to, or picks it battlesApr 02 11:08
DaemonFCsatipera: It's highly unlikely that states will invalidate it, or succeed in repealing it through state laws giving state residents the ability to opt-outApr 02 11:08
satiperaI heard the states described as a multitude of little kingdomsApr 02 11:09
DaemonFCthe Constitution gives the Federal government the authority to do thisApr 02 11:09
DaemonFCand Federal laws that don't violate the US Constitution are superior to any conflicting state lawsApr 02 11:09
DaemonFCsatipera: It's more like semi-autonomous admnistrative regions :)Apr 02 11:10
satiperaWhat worries me are the politicians who use the odd case of proved abuse of the system as an excuse to bring in changes they would want to anyway even if there was no abuseApr 02 11:10
DaemonFCthere's almost no reason to burden an applicant of food stampsApr 02 11:11
DaemonFCthe state pays for none of thatApr 02 11:11
DaemonFCbut they almost always make Medicaid hard to getApr 02 11:11
DaemonFCso you see more food stamp fraud than Medicaid fraudApr 02 11:12
DaemonFCjust because the states have to pay for some of that, so they guard it more havilyApr 02 11:12
DaemonFC*heavilyApr 02 11:12
satiperaI followed an american politics blog for a while and was amazed at how much of a maze it isApr 02 11:12
satiperaIt seems hard to change anythingApr 02 11:13
DaemonFCsatipera: It's because there are several parts of the US Constitution that are ambiguous and up to the interpretation of the court system case by caseApr 02 11:13
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satiperaThere is huge political inertia in the USApr 02 11:14
DaemonFCfor example, Congress has the authority to "regulate commerce between the several states" has turned into "The government can force you to buy health insurance"Apr 02 11:14
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: except thats not trueApr 02 11:14
DaemonFCthe government can even regulate intrastate commerce nowApr 02 11:14
Diablo-D3remember, regulate merely means to make regular.Apr 02 11:14
DaemonFCdue to broad interpretation of that clauseApr 02 11:14
DaemonFCany time a penny changes hands, the government can now step in and invoke the commerce clauseApr 02 11:15
Diablo-D3which isnt trueApr 02 11:15
satiperaregulate normally means legislate forApr 02 11:15
Diablo-D3satipera: wrong.Apr 02 11:15
Diablo-D3Regulate means to make regular.Apr 02 11:15
DaemonFCalso, the Feds cite the "Necessary and Proper" Clause to the point of abuseApr 02 11:15
satiperathat is pedanticApr 02 11:15
Diablo-D3its what our founding fathers said.Apr 02 11:15
DaemonFCwhat laws are "Necessary and Proper" to the functioning of the USA?Apr 02 11:15
DaemonFCdebatableApr 02 11:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody RT@ rlancefield The developers at The Onion explain why [...] Python/PostgreSQL/Django: http://bit.ly/bfMkbwApr 02 11:15
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DaemonFCthat's why they abuse itApr 02 11:15
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: very few outside of the constitutionApr 02 11:15
DaemonFCthe courts almost never roll back Federal abuse of the statesApr 02 11:16
DaemonFCso by precedent, they have authority to do almost anythingApr 02 11:16
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satiperaDo you think the system is becoming less federal and more centralisedApr 02 11:17
Diablo-D3Yes. The Republicans are, imo, not Republicans at allApr 02 11:17
DaemonFCit's been becoming more Federalized every year since ReconstructionApr 02 11:17
DaemonFCand it still isApr 02 11:17
DaemonFCthe health care bill was the last nail in the coffin of states rightsApr 02 11:18
DaemonFCis it a good thing? it might beApr 02 11:18
satiperaWhen you say more federalised I interpret that as the states becoming strongerApr 02 11:18
DaemonFCbut it allows a dangerous precedent to proceed and grow largerApr 02 11:18
DaemonFCsatipera: a Confederate system is where the states would have more powerApr 02 11:18
satiperaless federal is more cetralisedApr 02 11:19
DaemonFCthe Confederate States of America were actually a federal systemApr 02 11:19
DaemonFCas confusing as that may beApr 02 11:19
DaemonFCthe US did have a Confederate government under the original ConstitutionApr 02 11:19
DaemonFCthe Articles of ConfederationApr 02 11:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ jamie_love USTR complaint: "Egyptian government controls prices in pharmaceutical sector to ensure that drugs are affordable to public"Apr 02 11:19
DaemonFCit proved to be a toothless central government that couldn't make the states do anythingApr 02 11:20
DaemonFCso it was scrappedApr 02 11:20
satiperaFederal in the US seems to be used as a synonym for central controlApr 02 11:20
DaemonFCyesApr 02 11:20
satiperabut it is the opposite reallyApr 02 11:20
DaemonFCthe Articles of Confederation essentially made every state a sovereign nation within a loose allianceApr 02 11:21
DaemonFCso for example, the central government could declare war, but it had to ASK each state to send troops and moneyApr 02 11:21
satiperafederal is the definition of distributed political powerApr 02 11:21
DaemonFCthere was no central US militaryApr 02 11:22
DaemonFCjust state militiasApr 02 11:22
satiperaI seeApr 02 11:22
satiperaPersonally I am a great believer in devolving political power from the centreApr 02 11:22
satiperaso federalism appeals to meApr 02 11:22
DaemonFCthe entire government broke down and became unworkableApr 02 11:22
DaemonFCthe only thing that kept that government going was the unification of the states as opposed to the BritishApr 02 11:23
DaemonFCthey all contributed heavily to the cause of driving the British outApr 02 11:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drat. I missed the Digital Economy Bill Flashmob at Manchester... http://debflashmobmanchester.eventbrite.com/Apr 02 11:23
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DaemonFCif not for that, it would have not lasted as long as it didApr 02 11:23
satiperaI honestly wonder if the US political system is going to be too slow to adapt to rapid changeApr 02 11:24
satiperabecause of its natureApr 02 11:24
satiperaits structureApr 02 11:24
DaemonFCThe structure of the government is to be slow and allow plenty of time for debateApr 02 11:25
DaemonFCin fact, that's what the filibuster in the Senate was meant to doApr 02 11:25
DaemonFCbut it has come to be abused as a blocking tool for whatever is the current minority partyApr 02 11:25
DaemonFCit has saved us from instances where a President was trying to ram something throughApr 02 11:26
satiperathe constitution I read once was structured not to give the electorate too much power :)Apr 02 11:26
DaemonFClike Bush trying to install his unqualified personal lawyer to the Supreme CourtApr 02 11:26
DaemonFCthat was defeated by a filibusterApr 02 11:26
DaemonFCsatipera: You also have ro read the amendmentsApr 02 11:26
DaemonFCthey nullify some of the original ConstitutionApr 02 11:27
satiperaI am sure there is a huge amount I am not familliar withApr 02 11:27
DaemonFCfor example, the US Senate used to be elected by state legislaturesApr 02 11:27
DaemonFCnot popular voteApr 02 11:27
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DaemonFCand the allocation of Presidential electors used to be handled differentlyApr 02 11:28
DaemonFCwhich led to some interesting possibilitiesApr 02 11:28
satiperaNice chatting Daemon FC but I will have to make a lazy late start to my day bfnApr 02 11:28
DaemonFCbye byeApr 02 11:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A+F out at Good Friday service. Teens filling the house with perfume chemical warfare. *choke* *gasp*Apr 02 11:34
DaemonFChttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/04/bimbo-bakeries-fined-230000-for-worker-safety-violations-.htmlApr 02 11:36
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DaemonFChmmmmApr 02 11:36
DaemonFCDid a worker fall into the Chocolate Cock assembly line?Apr 02 11:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @charlesschulz: @european commission: even Alex Brown dropped the ball on ooxml. Stop taking calls from the BSA!Apr 02 11:46
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hT0Z9u1IxCwNlxwmmSb9D55Uw--AD9EPM5700Apr 02 11:48
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DaemonFC"INDIANAPOLIS ? A convicted rapist who asked the Indiana Court of Appeals to reduce his sentence instead got it extended by 25 years."Apr 02 11:48
DaemonFClulzApr 02 11:48
DaemonFCpwnedApr 02 11:48
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schestowitzSingapore almost topsApr 02 11:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I thought this radio programme Meet David Sedaris was very funny have a listen. http://is.gd/bb5bPApr 02 11:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] It will be available in a few hoursApr 02 11:58
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schestowitzEwwwwwwwwwww......... http://mobile.londonist.com/2010/03/anish_kapoors_towering_olympic_scul.php#galleryApr 02 12:20
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] is using http://gist.github.com/240058 to block S_P_A_M in identi.ca . Thanks @g0 .Apr 02 12:23
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sebsebsebhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-window-buttons-staying-left-but.htmlApr 02 12:37
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schestowitzYeah, seen it, posted hereApr 02 12:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Apr 02 12:44
sebsebsebthere was something about how they would only do left on the two Canonical themesApr 02 12:44
sebsebseband leave the others on rightApr 02 12:44
sebsebseb,but now I guess it's all left, at least in the correct button order thoughApr 02 12:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway all those Ubuntu fans being upset by thisApr 02 12:44
sebsebseb,but even so it seems Mark doesn't really care that muchApr 02 12:45
oiaohm_sebsebseb: we should not be supprised.Apr 02 12:54
oiaohm_Ubuntu has lost their way.Apr 02 12:54
sebsebseboiaohm_: indeedApr 02 12:54
sebsebseboiaohm_: well the 10.04 release should be rather interestingApr 02 12:54
sebsebsebI mean the complaints from people and suchApr 02 12:54
oiaohm_Basic idea of FOSS is to have clear and open channels with your users.Apr 02 12:55
oiaohm_At least when FOSS world was yelling at KDE 4.0 you could at least find a plan to correct the problems users were having.Apr 02 12:56
oiaohm_I have not see a single clean plan to correct Ubuntu's problems.Apr 02 12:56
oiaohm_Really I should be happy Ubuntu is screwing up so much.  It will give tones of living space to android and meego instead of it.Apr 02 12:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Off to church. Good Friday prayers .Apr 02 12:58
oiaohm_Neither of meego and android drink from the mono stupid tree.Apr 02 12:58
sebsebseboiaohm_: What's that?Apr 02 12:58
oiaohm_What section of what I just said sebsebsebApr 02 12:59
sebsebseball of it?Apr 02 13:00
sebsebsebsomething about meego, android, and monoApr 02 13:00
oiaohm_meego is from nokia and intel they will not include mono parts by default.   android from google is also equally as sane.Apr 02 13:01
oiaohm_Basically x novel and x ms staff don't have a chance to mess with them.Apr 02 13:02
oiaohm_ubuntu started going insane as more and more mono bosters got into it.Apr 02 13:04
oiaohm_Yes some of the ways I put things is strange.  sebsebsebApr 02 13:05
sebsebseboiaohm_: Fspot and Tomboy are Gnome not UbuntuApr 02 13:08
sebsebsebWhat Canonical/Ubuntu apps are Mono?Apr 02 13:08
Omar87_goblin__, hey!Apr 02 13:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DISREGARD CHRIST. ACQUIRE ALTAR BOYS. http://i.imgur.com/nxn5l.jpgApr 02 13:29
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schestowitzsebsebseb: fspot, tomboy, gbrainy, moreApr 02 13:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RMS and Tim Berners-Lee: Separated at Birth? @timberners_lee refuses to use MS Word http://bit.ly/cXpiux HT @glynmoodyApr 02 13:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My rant for the day....why can't you take the pin number feature off sky tv.....Its very annoying....Apr 02 13:49
schestowitzSlavery in Florida: http://www.archive.org/details/freespeechtv_sourcecode2_01Apr 02 13:55
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oiaohm_sebsebseb: <Apr 02 13:58
sebsebseboiaohm_: yes?Apr 02 13:59
oiaohm_sebsebseb: look closer.  Apr 02 13:59
sebsebsebI don't understandApr 02 13:59
oiaohm_Fspot idea started at ubuntu and was part pushed into gnome by ubuntu.Apr 02 13:59
sebsebsebwhat you mean by <Apr 02 13:59
oiaohm_Typo was <Apr 02 13:59
sebsebsebok before <  were you just talking to me I mean very much so before itApr 02 14:00
sebsebsebI had a reason to turn my computer off, and then  had it off for a little  while, before back hereApr 02 14:00
oiaohm_Also tomboy is a optional part of gnome.Apr 02 14:00
oiaohm_You don't have to ship it.Apr 02 14:00
sebsebsebwho started Tomboy?Apr 02 14:01
oiaohm_Novell developers.Apr 02 14:01
sebsebsebTomboy I have no use for itApr 02 14:02
sebsebsebWindows  users are used to just well Notepad and theres Gedit yeahApr 02 14:02
sebsebseboiaohm_: oh yeah Gnome are going to have  a Tomboy web serviceApr 02 14:02
sebsebsebwell  maybe it's there alreadyApr 02 14:02
sebsebsebit was mentioned in the 2.6.30 release notesApr 02 14:03
oiaohm_Tomboy web service is writen in python of all things.Apr 02 14:03
sebsebseboiaohm_: by the way see my pm as well :)Apr 02 14:03
sebsebsebwell Ubuntu like Python as wellApr 02 14:04
sebsebsebalso Vinagre should have had something for secure SSH remote connecting years ago reallyApr 02 14:04
sebsebsebVNC over SSHApr 02 14:04
schestowitzhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336Apr 02 14:24
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schestowitzoiaohm_: but was tomboy developed by sandy when he was already working for novl?Apr 02 14:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah yeah 10.10Apr 02 14:25
schestowitzPerfect 10?Apr 02 14:25
schestowitzStill linking to Microsoft DCs?Apr 02 14:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: however they do this left button stuff in 10.04 without a good reasonApr 02 14:25
schestowitzI hope they'll sort it outApr 02 14:25
sebsebsebsaying that they will put some stuff on the right in 10.10 rightApr 02 14:25
sebsebseb,butApr 02 14:25
sebsebsebthey could have done the button change, when they have the stuff on right.  people really need six months to get used to something first, of course notApr 02 14:25
sebsebsebwell I am not one that cares much about the buttons sinceApr 02 14:26
sebsebsebany issues with that  with themes that aren't default  I can move to right.  for example for my brothers. and when I update Ubuntu  i'll  use default theme.  that's how it will go on other computer,  unless I end up replacing it with another distro sooner than I thought I might :DApr 02 14:27
sebsebseblet's give Ubuntu another chance wow aren't I niceApr 02 14:27
sebsebsebyes really they have messed up the LTS, what business features are in it?Apr 02 14:27
sebsebsebwhat new business features are in it?  nothingApr 02 14:27
schestowitzthe metacity changes don't go upstreamApr 02 14:27
schestowitzor to gnomeApr 02 14:27
sebsebsebwho should an LTS be targeted at?  Yep business's that want to use it on the desktopApr 02 14:27
sebsebsebschestowitz: metactiy changes?Apr 02 14:28
sebsebsebyou mean Canoncials Gnome edits me menu and such?Apr 02 14:28
oiaohm_sebsebseb: tomboy was one of the items created a Novell to try to prove that mono was useful for Linux development.Apr 02 14:28
sebsebseboiaohm_: well useful apps can be made in loads of differnet proggramming langauges, with of course some of them not being that Linux distro friendlyApr 02 14:31
sebsebsebsome/many , but I mean like C#Apr 02 14:31
sebsebsebMonoApr 02 14:32
schestowitzoiaohm_: any link on that?Apr 02 14:56
schestowitzoiaohm_: it's a new argument to me. I'd need to verify.Apr 02 14:57
oiaohm_Part personal feelings.  It seams strange that novell went out of their way to create .net project for any other reasons.Apr 02 14:58
schestowitzPersonal feeling is not capable of turning it into factApr 02 14:59
schestowitzI also suspect that Armstrong was hired after he had created tomboyApr 02 14:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @lxoliva OSI and #FSF form Software Freedom Troopers "OSI suggested Free Open Libre Source Sect, but SoFTroo beat FOLSS"Apr 02 14:59
schestowitzI don't know what makes me thinks this, maybe something I read years agoApr 02 14:59
schestowitzoiaohm_: what about Banshee?Apr 02 15:00
schestowitzI think they hired Aaron after he developers itApr 02 15:00
schestowitzThey also hired Paul, who started working at Novell yesterdayApr 02 15:00
schestowitzHe helps with tomboyApr 02 15:00
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm whatever your on about there, you sure it wasn't an Aprils fool? :DApr 02 15:01
sebsebsebschestowitz: Also why would someone start such a job,  on  a Thursday and the day before Good Friday (Why is it called that anyway?  It's like saying it's a good thing that Jesus died on the cross.  Well not everyone belives in Jesus of course as well.)Apr 02 15:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @osamak Oh no, the worst thing about Chrome yet: it'll include a built-in Adobe Flash. http://ur1.ca/siqv #fs #fsf #gnuApr 02 15:02
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schestowitzsebsebseb: that's what he saidApr 02 15:03
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-sets-the-tone-with-money/Apr 02 15:03
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/prcutler/status/10722848787Apr 02 15:04
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schestowitz"Wrapping up my last day at Webroot today (packing boxes!) and then off until 4/1 when I start at Novell!"Apr 02 15:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: right okApr 02 15:04
Diablo-D3why would someone go work for a company that going out of buisness?Apr 02 15:04
schestowitzMaybe we should start thinking of migrating between domains soonApr 02 15:04
Diablo-D3not much job security thereApr 02 15:04
schestowitzMaybe secure for .NETApr 02 15:04
schestowitzNot for OpenSUSEApr 02 15:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: changing the domain you mean and IRC channel,  if Novell goes out of business?  Also if that happens what will it be called instead?Apr 02 15:05
sebsebsebif that happens more like when it happensApr 02 15:05
schestowitzsebsebseb: IRC staysApr 02 15:05
schestowitzIt's the "boycott novell" pushApr 02 15:05
schestowitzPart of the same initiative we have, still the main oneApr 02 15:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: well this channel could do an automatic referal to the new channel I guessApr 02 15:05
schestowitzNo needApr 02 15:06
sebsebsebjust like  boycottnovell.com could do a redirect to some new domainApr 02 15:06
Omar87Hi all.Apr 02 15:06
schestowitzEVen if that was possibleApr 02 15:06
schestowitzHi, Omar87Apr 02 15:06
schestowitz'Sup?Apr 02 15:06
sebsebsebif it happens more like when it happens, above,  yeah,  since Novell won't last for everApr 02 15:06
Omar87schestowitz, nothin. :)Apr 02 15:06
Omar87schestowitz, thinking of writing an article about last night's event.Apr 02 15:07
sebsebsebNovell I guess aren't really that relivant anymore, but I don't know that much about themApr 02 15:07
sebsebsebI mean if Novell geos  out of business so what?  Evolution will still live on since that's open sourceApr 02 15:07
sebsebseboh and like it or not Mono stuff will live on for a while at least, without Novell I expectApr 02 15:07
sebsebsebif that was to happenApr 02 15:07
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sebsebsebMono is open source after allApr 02 15:08
schestowitzEvolution is not GPL, AFAIKApr 02 15:08
schestowitzI could be wrong, so let me checkApr 02 15:08
schestowitzhttp://www.novell.com/products/desktop/features/evolution.htmlApr 02 15:08
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sebsebsebas for Suse well  that will be good if it doesApr 02 15:09
schestowitzMixedApr 02 15:09
schestowitz"Evolution: GNU General Public License, Anjal: GNU Lesser General Public License v2 or v3"Apr 02 15:09
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28software%29Apr 02 15:09
sebsebsebwell according  oiaohm_ distro deaths are a good thingApr 02 15:09
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sebsebsebobviosuly he means popular distrosApr 02 15:09
sebsebsebdies not does aboveApr 02 15:10
schestowitz"Anjal[2] is a new user interface which is being built on top of Evolution, targeted for mobile and small-screen devices. It uses Webkit for rendering messages."Apr 02 15:10
schestowitzNovell still distances self from GPLApr 02 15:10
schestowitzLike they did in MonoDevelopApr 02 15:10
schestowitz>LGPLApr 02 15:10
sebsebseboiaohm_: what would be interesting though is this, if loads of people think Ubuntu has messed up,  and OpenSuse dies,  at the same timeApr 02 15:10
sebsebseboiaohm_: OpenSuse has quite a lot of users as far as I know,  what distros would they go to instead?Apr 02 15:10
schestowitzOpenSUSE cant' sueApr 02 15:11
schestowitz*dieApr 02 15:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: no?Apr 02 15:11
schestowitzYaST canApr 02 15:11
oiaohm_Novell is slowly converting all there .net code it MIT.Apr 02 15:11
schestowitzLike CNRApr 02 15:11
schestowitzIf nobody uses itApr 02 15:11
oiaohm_MIT provides no patent protection.Apr 02 15:11
schestowitzoiaohm_: yeahApr 02 15:11
sebsebsebYasT is Suse's thing like Synaptic?Apr 02 15:11
schestowitzBanshee and stuffApr 02 15:11
schestowitzSort ofApr 02 15:11
schestowitzNot just package managementApr 02 15:11
oiaohm_Yast is more like puppet with a graphical frount end.Apr 02 15:12
schestowitzThere's a different component for pack manApr 02 15:12
schestowitzAnd Arch uses opensuse's pack. man.Apr 02 15:12
sebsebseboh?Apr 02 15:13
sebsebsebwell people say how great Arch's Pacman isApr 02 15:13
sebsebsebPackmanApr 02 15:13
schestowitzShould we diversify channels for topic?Apr 02 15:13
schestowitzI can register #techrightsApr 02 15:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: I don't like the sound of that nameApr 02 15:14
oiaohm_Lot of .net projects before Novell aquired their leads were GPL or LGPLApr 02 15:14
oiaohm_After aquirement systemmattically they were converted.Apr 02 15:14
schestowitzsebsebseb: explain whyApr 02 15:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: just don't  maybe I like boycott when it comes to your channel,  that's probably itApr 02 15:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: the boycott something channelApr 02 15:14
schestowitzOKApr 02 15:15
schestowitzSo we'll stick with this one for nowApr 02 15:15
sebsebsebschestowitz: well for now yeahApr 02 15:15
schestowitzIt would also lead to less fragmentation and confusionApr 02 15:15
sebsebsebNovell aren't dead yetApr 02 15:15
sebsebsebboycottmono ?Apr 02 15:15
schestowitzWe already run 2 channelsApr 02 15:15
sebsebsebexcept you don't buy MonoApr 02 15:15
schestowitzsebsebseb: they won't dueApr 02 15:15
schestowitz*dieApr 02 15:15
schestowitzJust disassembledApr 02 15:15
schestowitzLike SunApr 02 15:15
oiaohm_Really I see no problem with distributions big or small dieing.  Its part of the natural open source world.  sebsebsebApr 02 15:16
schestowitzShould be the same with big banksApr 02 15:16
schestowitzBut it ain'tApr 02 15:16
oiaohm_Just like death in the real world is part of the natual order.Apr 02 15:16
schestowitzDifferentApr 02 15:16
oiaohm_Its not really.Apr 02 15:16
schestowitzCorporations and distros are not biological organismsApr 02 15:16
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schestowitzBut....Apr 02 15:16
schestowitzLike matter in one's body they get reusedApr 02 15:17
schestowitzPeople and code moves aboutApr 02 15:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: indeed  nasty corporattions can be around for over 100 yearsApr 02 15:17
schestowitzLike when bodies inevitably get decomposed. The cycle of lifeApr 02 15:17
schestowitzLife never ended in earth for over a billion yearsApr 02 15:17
oiaohm_Yep and without death freeing up material new live on earth would not happen,Apr 02 15:17
sebsebsebsoftware will continue to live on, as long as  it's still reliventApr 02 15:17
oiaohm_Death of distributions does the same thing.Apr 02 15:17
schestowitzIt just moves between nerve systemsApr 02 15:17
oiaohm_Developer time is the life blood of open source.Apr 02 15:18
oiaohm_There is only so much of that.Apr 02 15:18
oiaohm_Death of distributions normally end up with that time better focused.Apr 02 15:18
schestowitzFree software is a phenomenon, not a companyApr 02 15:18
schestowitzDevelopers code and shareApr 02 15:18
schestowitzYou can't 'fight' thatApr 02 15:18
oiaohm_Distrobutions group developers.Apr 02 15:19
schestowitzThe question is, under what temrsApr 02 15:19
schestowitzBSD or GPLApr 02 15:19
sebsebsebwhat about Apache?Apr 02 15:19
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schestowitzGPL is more scary to Adobe, Microsoft, even IBMApr 02 15:19
oiaohm_Ie distributions are the sub enitentys of the FOSS earth.Apr 02 15:19
sebsebsebApache is an open source lisesne isn't it?Apr 02 15:19
oiaohm_IBM really does not fear GPL.Apr 02 15:19
oiaohm_IBM loves GPL.Apr 02 15:19
schestowitzNoApr 02 15:19
schestowitzEPLApr 02 15:19
schestowitzIBM tolerates GPLApr 02 15:20
schestowitzThere's also EUPLApr 02 15:20
schestowitzWHich stinks reallyApr 02 15:20
sebsebsebgood and bad software can be used by billions sometimes billions of peopleApr 02 15:20
schestowitzSimon Phipps wants fewer licencesApr 02 15:20
sebsebsebuhApr 02 15:20
sebsebsebmillions sometimes billionsApr 02 15:20
schestowitzI think he likes GPL sufficientlyApr 02 15:20
sebsebsebandApr 02 15:20
sebsebsebyeah that's somethingApr 02 15:20
sebsebsebwe may die, butApr 02 15:20
schestowitzsebsebseb: TCP/IP stack in XP is BSD codeApr 02 15:21
oiaohm_Depends what for schestowitzApr 02 15:21
schestowitzSo over a billion users maybeApr 02 15:21
sebsebsebwe will have  played some sort of role in history as wellApr 02 15:21
oiaohm_There is a lot of techs from IBM where the only licence IBM allows you to use for it is GPL.Apr 02 15:21
schestowitzGoogle uses FOSS in the serversApr 02 15:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: one day people might be studying what computing was like in the 90's and well nowApr 02 15:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: and you might even get mentioned :DApr 02 15:21
schestowitzLinux 2.4 and 2.6 each time you do a google searcgApr 02 15:21
oiaohm_Without paying a massive big patent licence.  schestowitzApr 02 15:21
oiaohm_IBM loves GPL for being a wedge to use against other software companies.Apr 02 15:21
sebsebsebwell there was this company called NovellApr 02 15:22
sebsebsebclassApr 02 15:22
sebsebsebin the 1990's theyApr 02 15:22
schestowitzoiaohm_: no, IBM loves patentsApr 02 15:22
sebsebsebhad their Netware product which many organisatioans usedApr 02 15:22
schestowitzThey make over a billion per year from them, inc. sw patsApr 02 15:22
schestowitzsebsebseb: that's Noorda's NovellApr 02 15:22
oiaohm_Yes but where is the GPL wedge useful.Apr 02 15:22
schestowitzToday's Novell is a bunch of charlatans from IBM and some who come from MicrosoftApr 02 15:23
oiaohm_If you competitor can not pay for patent licence you get to use their code for nothing.Apr 02 15:23
sebsebsebthen as years went by they thought it would be a good idea to get into Linux,  which  people who if I remember correctly founded the company thought as well,   they later  started their own company which later became SCO, we will have to study that in another lesson students.Apr 02 15:23
oiaohm_For IBM Patents combind with GPL is a great combination.Apr 02 15:23
sebsebsebdamn at my typing wrong stuff thingApr 02 15:23
sebsebseboh I didn't nevermindApr 02 15:23
schestowitzoiaohm_: OIN and LFApr 02 15:23
schestowitzLF is tied to OINApr 02 15:24
schestowitzBy the patentApr 02 15:24
sebsebsebthen  they made a deal with Micrsooft later on as well over Linux patentsApr 02 15:24
schestowitzSame framework, broader membershipApr 02 15:24
sebsebseband started a project called MonoApr 02 15:24
schestowitzOIN=Rosenthal (IBM)Apr 02 15:24
schestowitzNoApr 02 15:24
schestowitzsebsebseb: Ximian=MonoApr 02 15:24
schestowitzTwo Microsoft fans, Miguel and FriedmanApr 02 15:25
schestowitzFriedman quit NovellApr 02 15:25
schestowitzGood timing, tooApr 02 15:25
schestowitzJust before the big.. same with ZonkerApr 02 15:25
schestowitzHe still writes for ArsApr 02 15:25
sebsebseba guy called Roy schestowitz  got really annoyed about this,  and so he dediced to start his Boycottnovell  blog and website,  which helped destroy Novell a bit here and there, and as a result computing started to become much better,  because a few years later Micrsooft collapased as a software company as well.  As a result we now have Roy schestowitz  as one of the famous tech heros from the early 21st centuryApr 02 15:26
sebsebsebschestowitz: you started boycottnovell since the patents deal didn't you?Apr 02 15:27
sebsebsebor did he you before that?Apr 02 15:27
schestowitzHeh. :-)Apr 02 15:28
schestowitzI'm humbledApr 02 15:28
schestowitzBut I did less controversial stuff before BNApr 02 15:28
oiaohm_Patent deal by MS will expire.  It did not take much reading to work out there was big problems.Apr 02 15:28
oiaohm_Lot of things Novell is doing is more legally worring.Apr 02 15:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: I was going to put in this,  and every year, as a result to celebrate his acheivements we put flowers on his grave.Apr 02 15:28
schestowitzEither way, BN must have cost Novell millions in businessApr 02 15:28
oiaohm_Not really.Apr 02 15:29
oiaohm_Lot of businesses are not idiots.Apr 02 15:29
schestowitzThe word that passes from mouth to ear about why to avoid Novell led to poorer sales (techs chooses Red Hat for their company)Apr 02 15:29
oiaohm_Even before the MS deal Novell was in trouble.Apr 02 15:29
schestowitzYeah, but I reckon their tech people had sentiment play a roleApr 02 15:29
schestowitzNovell's image in the GNU/Linux was made poorerApr 02 15:30
schestowitzRed Hat's wasn't tarnishedApr 02 15:30
schestowitzAnd Red Hat was making Microsoft angryApr 02 15:30
schestowitzNovell was making Mono for MicrosoftApr 02 15:30
oiaohm_Redhat is still angry.Apr 02 15:30
oiaohm_Redhat has done quite a few patent deals for everyone over time.Apr 02 15:30
schestowitzSome RHT employees hate UbuntuApr 02 15:30
sebsebseboh whatever let's do the pointless correcting again,  blog and IRC channel, aboveApr 02 15:30
schestowitzThat's the impression I getApr 02 15:30
schestowitzFedora at leastApr 02 15:31
oiaohm_Redhat will not pay for patents some company will not list.Apr 02 15:31
schestowitzFPL stepped stepping downApr 02 15:31
oiaohm_Lot of people end up in Fedora because Ubuntu drives them up wall with bugs.Apr 02 15:31
schestowitzsebsebseb: if you want another channel open, we can do thatApr 02 15:31
sebsebseb(wel there was a point)Apr 02 15:31
schestowitzWe decided to do the -social cause balzac suggeted itApr 02 15:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: well when novell diesApr 02 15:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: a bit silly to still have this channelApr 02 15:32
schestowitzoiaohm_: Fedora is too Red HattyApr 02 15:32
schestowitzRed Hat already dominates serversApr 02 15:32
sebsebsebinstead make a new channel with some other name I guessApr 02 15:32
schestowitzThe margins in GNU/Linux are not high, but usage is highApr 02 15:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: boycottmicrosoft maybe next time round :dApr 02 15:32
schestowitzWe can do thatApr 02 15:32
schestowitzIt's useful to have channels named after site's projectsApr 02 15:33
schestowitzOne of which is "boycott Novell"Apr 02 15:33
schestowitzSee the new front page, it reflects on thatApr 02 15:33
oiaohm_schestowitz: anyideas why redhat dominate servers and novell does not.Apr 02 15:33
schestowitzBut I would not use the word "boycott"Apr 02 15:33
schestowitzI never chose this wordApr 02 15:33
sebsebseboh?Apr 02 15:33
schestowitzoiaohm_: brand name?Apr 02 15:34
oiaohm_Redhat does truly give good paid support.Apr 02 15:34
schestowitzsebsebseb: Shane's choiceApr 02 15:34
oiaohm_I have had to use both schestowitzApr 02 15:34
sebsebseb#avoidemicrosoftApr 02 15:34
schestowitztechright was tessier's ideaApr 02 15:34
sebsebsebjust a suggestionApr 02 15:34
sebsebseblet's be honest with our selvesApr 02 15:34
schestowitz"microsoft versus society" is betterApr 02 15:34
sebsebsebmost of us can't boycott Microsoft 100% even if we would like toApr 02 15:34
oiaohm_Problem is there are not that many good companies providing high level functional paid support for LinuxApr 02 15:35
schestowitzOracle, no?Apr 02 15:35
oiaohm_Ie support personal backed up with a good programming team.Apr 02 15:35
sebsebsebplus if you  want to be really exact, you go on a website that's using Windows Server, and yep you're using themApr 02 15:35
schestowitzRebranded rhelApr 02 15:35
oiaohm_Oracle needs better kernel developers.Apr 02 15:35
oiaohm_And some other core lib and complier part developers as well.Apr 02 15:35
schestowitzsebsebseb: likely via Akamai (Linux) if it's MicrosoftApr 02 15:35
oiaohm_Oracle is getting their.Apr 02 15:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: Microsoftversessocity that sounds ok yeahApr 02 15:36
oiaohm_Maybe in 3 to 4 years time it will be a toss up schestowitzApr 02 15:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: as in likeApr 02 15:36
schestowitzsebsebseb: just off the cuffApr 02 15:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: they go agaisnt society?Apr 02 15:36
schestowitzI prefer not to be seen as againat MicrosoftApr 02 15:36
schestowitzThere's the "Microsoft hater" labelApr 02 15:36
schestowitzAnd there's more to it than MSFTApr 02 15:36
schestowitzApple tooApr 02 15:36
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, they doApr 02 15:36
oiaohm_itfreedom?Apr 02 15:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah Apple and maybe now even Oracle to some extentApr 02 15:37
schestowitzAgainst markets, users' freedom, local law, tax rulesApr 02 15:37
oiaohm_Freedom is not exactly right either.Apr 02 15:37
schestowitzMariaDB is forgotten almostApr 02 15:37
schestowitzFreedom is a broad thingApr 02 15:37
Diablo-D3oh christApr 02 15:37
schestowitzLike "market freedom"Apr 02 15:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: right don't use these names, but you can see what I am getting at I guess,  #closedsourceisbad  #propritarysoftwareisbadApr 02 15:37
schestowitzI don't like the word freedom cause it was hijackedApr 02 15:37
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Execise physiologist Dr James Walter trying to get Pepsi grant to get kids skinny http://pep.si/cOry75Apr 02 15:38
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Implement a school-based program to increase their physical activity | Pepsi Refresh Everything .::. Size~: 22.97 KBApr 02 15:38
schestowitz"Free market"Apr 02 15:38
schestowitz"Free enterprise"Apr 02 15:38
schestowitz"Freedom of choice"Apr 02 15:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: I just thought of that one as wellApr 02 15:38
sebsebsebFreedome of choiceApr 02 15:38
schestowitz"Spreading freedom (war)"Apr 02 15:38
oiaohm_I can give a sentence of the feeling turning it into something short I cannot do.  " I payed for the Item.  I want the Right to use it how I see fit,  Not have someone else restrict my use of hardware I have paid for."Apr 02 15:38
schestowitzTexas texbooks subvert it furtherApr 02 15:39
schestowitzThey rename capitalismApr 02 15:39
schestowitzCause the word became a bad misnomerApr 02 15:39
sebsebsebschestowitz: so a new project a new domain?  same web hosting?Apr 02 15:39
sebsebsebschestowitz: and another IRC channel?Apr 02 15:39
schestowitzThey call it something like "free" somethingApr 02 15:39
schestowitzBasically, they are crazy revionistsApr 02 15:39
schestowitzMaking up new euphemismsApr 02 15:39
schestowitzLike they make words such as "pirate" to daemonise the populationApr 02 15:40
schestowitzOr "terrorist" or "militia" or "activist"Apr 02 15:40
schestowitz"Dissident", "protester", "anti-corporate", "union", "organisers", "traitors"Apr 02 15:40
schestowitzsebsebseb: noApr 02 15:41
schestowitzNo change for nowApr 02 15:41
schestowitzbrbApr 02 15:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes not nowApr 02 15:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: ,but the future...Apr 02 15:41
sebsebsebwhen RIP NovellApr 02 15:41
oiaohm_antidecpetionApr 02 15:41
schestowitzhttp://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive/Story/tabid/817/articleID/148354/Default.aspxApr 02 15:42
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Costume shop threatened with legal action over Oscar statues - Story - Campbell Live - TV Shows - 3 News .::. Size~: 112.7 KBApr 02 15:42
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Exercise physiologist Dr James Walter trying to get Pepsi grant to get kids skinny http://pep.si/cOry75 !scienceApr 02 15:43
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Implement a school-based program to increase their physical activity | Pepsi Refresh Everything .::. Size~: 22.97 KBApr 02 15:43
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1206028812.shtmlApr 02 15:45
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: UK Newspaper Drops Paywall After Less Than 10 People Subscribe | Techdirt .::. Size~: 43.66 KBApr 02 15:45
schestowitzSee?Apr 02 15:45
schestowitzI'd never suggest anyone try this because people whom I speak to say the same thingApr 02 15:45
schestowitzInfo is abundant, the mistake is to pretend it isn'tApr 02 15:46
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schestowitzScience writer Simon Singh wins libel appeal http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8598472.stmApr 02 15:50
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 85.88 KBApr 02 15:50
schestowitzEven quackery can't be criticised in the UK anyway, almostApr 02 15:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all!Apr 02 15:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We have a new Shot Of Jaq all about whether caffeine is a problem in our community - The Costs Of Caffeine - http://is.gd/bbjOP #shotofjaqApr 02 15:52
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Shot of Jaq » The Costs Of Caffeine .::. Size~: 29.83 KBApr 02 15:52
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6303KG20100401Apr 02 15:55
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: U.S. court rejects Microsoft patent case appeal| Reuters .::. Size~: 53.4 KBApr 02 15:55
schestowitzjono:  http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336 why not Mighty Mouse?Apr 02 15:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu 10.10 will be named Maverick Meerkat - http://is.gd/bbki9 #ubuntuApr 02 15:59
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Mark Shuttleworth  » Blog Archive   » Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat .::. Size~: 26.45 KBApr 02 15:59
schestowitzHeh. We're in here: http://geekvalley.blogspot.com/2010/04/april-fools-collection-of-today-fake.htmlApr 02 16:06
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Geek Valley: April Fools! A collection of today's fake Microsoft news .::. Size~: 108.79 KBApr 02 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Even of #Firefox is hacked at #Pwn2Own, this doesn't mean it is insecure.Apr 02 16:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Even if #Firefox got hacked at #Pwn2Own, this doesn't mean it is insecure.Apr 02 16:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2010-03-gnome230.htmlApr 02 16:15
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: GNOME Project Updates Free Desktop with 2.30 Release .::. Size~: 8.7 KBApr 02 16:15
schestowitz"I'm glad that we are able to include it in our next release and also have it available for easy installation on openSUSE 11.2."Apr 02 16:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/11/mavizen-ttx02/Apr 02 16:25
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schestowitzLinux basedApr 02 16:25
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Ender2070_schestowitz - http://www.pwnage.ca/opera.pngApr 02 16:34
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Omar87schestowitz, my friends last night told me something that kind of made me think for a while.Apr 02 16:36
Omar87schestowitz, one of them told me: "There are two major point that will probably make you love Facebook. a) They developed the Cassandra Database (Free Software). .."Apr 02 16:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Anyone know if there is a key binding for the Important flag in Evolution? #gnome #ubuntuApr 02 16:42
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #UID @sunil_abraham: The personal is the personal by Usha Ramanathan http://bit.ly/50CurNApr 02 16:42
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: The personal is the personal .::. Size~: 63.62 KBApr 02 16:43
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Maybe it really is time to restore the government our founding fathers left us http://ur1.ca/syxkApr 02 16:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Public announcement: Stefanos Harhalakis behaves in the manner of an utter cock. http://is.gd/bbol5 http://is.gd/bbom5Apr 02 16:53
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Ender2070_Diablo-D3 - yes and I also have a physical java book too.. my memory works better when i'm actually doing something meaninful and was hoping you knew some good sites with code samples or good resourcesApr 02 17:01
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MSBBCHow MS hijacks even Altair founder's death, and MSBBC reports on itApr 02 17:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] (fwd) *PLEASE RT!* Looking for a room in SW London. Friendly nonsmoking female professional- please email me on london.is.awake@gmail.com!Apr 02 17:07
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Ender2070_bam bitchesApr 02 17:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Wimpy (22.22) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/02/windows-wimpy/ just a jokeApr 02 17:31
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schestowitzThis shows the reality in reverseApr 02 17:33
schestowitzUbuntu influencing Microsoft rather than Microsoft assimilating Ubuntu to MicrosoftApr 02 17:33
Omar87_goblin__, are you there?Apr 02 17:36
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Fox news vs Blackwater on the final Bracket of Evil round http://ur1.ca/sz7nApr 02 17:53
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Can we just elect Jon Stewart as President already? http://ur1.ca/sz8pApr 02 17:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cory Doctorow Explains Why #Apple ’s #iPad is Bad and @SJVN Shows That #Mac OS X is Not Secure http://boycottnovell.com/?storiesApr 02 18:21
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Pushed ArpON-1.90 and emacs-goodies 31.5 in Fedora repositories: http://arunsag.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/arpon-1-90-and-emacs-goodies-31-5/Apr 02 18:28
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Calling NeweggApr 02 18:36
DaemonFCthey offered to pay the shipping and waive the restocking feeApr 02 18:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hijacks Ed Roberts' Death, Not Just His Career http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/02/msbbc-ed-roberts-history/ Shame on the BBCApr 02 18:40
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schestowitznewegg hates linuxApr 02 18:40
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DaemonFCschestowitz: They love anything they can sellApr 02 18:41
DaemonFCno more evil than any other companyApr 02 18:41
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cubezzzsome companies are more evil than othersApr 02 18:46
DaemonFCIf you refused to do business with any company that ever did something bad, you'd be living under a bridge, starving and nakedApr 02 18:47
cubezzznoApr 02 18:47
DaemonFCthat's really what this boils down toApr 02 18:47
cubezzzthink about the AmishApr 02 18:48
DaemonFCickApr 02 18:48
cubezzzor any other self-sufficient groupApr 02 18:48
DaemonFCno, they shop at WalmartApr 02 18:48
DaemonFCand Sams ClubApr 02 18:48
DaemonFCen masseApr 02 18:48
DaemonFCthey are not self-sufficientApr 02 18:48
cubezzzhmmmApr 02 18:48
DaemonFCthey are arrogant jerks with a chip on their shoulder who seem to believe I am "English"Apr 02 18:48
DaemonFCoh, and inbredApr 02 18:49
cubezzzso what are they buying from Walmart?Apr 02 18:49
DaemonFCthey don't believe in buying things like deodorant, so they go into Walmart and use it and put it back on the shelfApr 02 18:49
DaemonFCthat's why I buy spray deodorant Apr 02 18:49
DaemonFCcubezzz: They go to Sam's Club more oftenApr 02 18:50
DaemonFCstock up on things they need in bulkApr 02 18:50
cubezzzok, I'm one up on the Amish thenApr 02 18:50
DaemonFCpeople stereotype Jews as tightwadsApr 02 18:50
DaemonFCthey really should be saying "That guy just Amished me"Apr 02 18:50
DaemonFCand some of the more liberal Amish even go to McDonaldsApr 02 18:51
DaemonFCor the movie theaterApr 02 18:51
cubezzzGyped is the more usual expressionApr 02 18:51
DaemonFCthey're really breaking down and slowly integrating back into societyApr 02 18:51
cubezzzalthough I have heard "can I jew you down"Apr 02 18:51
DaemonFCespecially the younger ones who sometimes just leaveApr 02 18:51
cubezzzI can believe itApr 02 18:52
DaemonFCWho would voluntarily live in the 1600's, really?Apr 02 18:52
cubezzzmore like 19th centuary I would sayApr 02 18:52
DaemonFCit started with "You can use modern tech with the approval of our council and a genuine need"Apr 02 18:52
cubezzzer, centuryApr 02 18:53
DaemonFClike if you needed Penicillin or you would die, they would approve your use of itApr 02 18:53
DaemonFCthat eventually became, Walmart, the movie theater, and fast foodApr 02 18:53
DaemonFC:)Apr 02 18:53
cubezzzI don't need fast food and I don't shop at WalmartApr 02 18:54
DaemonFCI used to have a Sam's Club membership because it was free when I was a Walmart managerApr 02 18:54
cubezzzyikes, you actually worked thereApr 02 18:55
DaemonFCthe deals there are not real good and you have to buy things by the dozen to get themApr 02 18:55
cubezzzso how did you like working at Walmart?Apr 02 18:55
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DaemonFClike you might save 5 cents on a can of soup as Sam's, but you had to buy like 24 cansApr 02 18:55
DaemonFC:)Apr 02 18:55
DaemonFCcubezzz: Some good, some badApr 02 18:55
DaemonFCnot _everything_ Walmart does is bad for the community, but there are a lot of problems with what they doApr 02 18:56
DaemonFChow they pay people is the biggest thing I had against themApr 02 18:56
DaemonFCother than pay, they're actually a good place to workApr 02 18:56
DaemonFCdiscrimination and harassment are not tolerated at allApr 02 18:57
DaemonFCI've personally fired people for it, skipping the disciplinary steps entirelyApr 02 18:57
DaemonFCno warning, no write up, no second chancesApr 02 18:57
DaemonFCespecially if I witnessed it or had many people see it happenApr 02 18:58
DaemonFCWe also had what was called a "merit raise" system that has been removed Apr 02 18:58
DaemonFCI think it was a mistake, but a lot of favoritism going on with that was the reason they citedApr 02 18:58
DaemonFCI think they were being cheapApr 02 18:59
DaemonFCwhen I was there, most of the time I was there anyway, I had a great deal of discretion over what people were paidApr 02 18:59
DaemonFCand it still had to fill in with payroll guidelines, but I did use that discretionApr 02 18:59
DaemonFCI'm not going to be giving out raises to the people who don't really work and increase my profitabilityApr 02 19:00
DaemonFCI will weed those people outApr 02 19:00
DaemonFCthey may work there for months or even a year before I get them, but I *will* get rid of themApr 02 19:00
DaemonFCsooner or later they will bend over to tie their shoes and I'll fire them for "time clock theft"Apr 02 19:01
DaemonFCbut some people who worked for me and were very productive were making $9-10 an hourApr 02 19:01
DaemonFCyou don't want to work? Fine. Make $7.50 an hour until you leave or I get rid of you.Apr 02 19:02
DaemonFCit's all about how much of an asset that individual is, balanced against what burdens they impose on my payrollApr 02 19:02
DaemonFCthat's one aspect, I think, of being an effective managerApr 02 19:02
DaemonFCAs for the fight against unions, I see that as mutually beneficial between Walmart and the employeeApr 02 19:03
DaemonFCI really do, having worked for one of the unions that is trying to get into Walmart, I know what they doApr 02 19:04
DaemonFCthey steal your paycheck as "dues" before you even see it, and fail to represent youApr 02 19:04
DaemonFCthey let the company dictate the rest of your contract anywayApr 02 19:04
DaemonFCYou're basically voting yourself into another layer of debt bondage when you vote to bring in a unionApr 02 19:05
DaemonFCcubezzz: There's two kinds of unions.Apr 02 19:05
DaemonFCThe ones I just described, and, the ones that get real fucking greedy and drive the company under and (in a true free market without government bailouts), would cost every worker there their jobs.Apr 02 19:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] just gave my guitar some new strings lovin for the first time in about a decade, now I need to toughen up my fingertips, it's been a whileApr 02 19:06
DaemonFCDo I think what Walmart does is always right? Hell no.Apr 02 19:07
DaemonFCI think it should be regulated by law.Apr 02 19:07
DaemonFCinto paying people living wages in line with the community standardApr 02 19:07
DaemonFCunions have shown us they have no interest in protecting the workerApr 02 19:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] wiped mint 8 gnome with mint 8 xfce on my desktop too, tomorrow the netbook will get the same treatmentApr 02 19:09
DaemonFCthe long term health of a company is partially dependent on worker morale and turnover anywayApr 02 19:10
DaemonFCWalmart has been relying a lot on just being cheap and not having knowledgeable or friendly sales peopleApr 02 19:10
DaemonFCThey'll pay for that eventuallyApr 02 19:11
DaemonFCit's a business plan that, I think, will produce great results  for a while, but eventually collapse on itselfApr 02 19:11
DaemonFCcubezzz: I've found that in some cases, using a blog as a bully pulpit is the best way to get satisfactionApr 02 19:13
DaemonFCcompanies hate negative talk about them and will often bend their own policies to make it go awayApr 02 19:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just added myself to the http://wefollow.com twitter directory under: #jordan_irbid #reading #freesoftware #programming #wrestling #musicApr 02 19:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Federal Appeals Court Deals Blow to #OOXML as This Proprietary #Microsoft Format Becomes Increasingly Irrelevant http://ur1.ca/szl7Apr 02 19:24
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MinceRr4wrApr 02 19:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Addicted to caffeine? Think caffeine makes you a more hardcore geek? You need to join the discussion at http://is.gd/bbjOP #shotofjaqApr 02 19:28
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_Goblinlol great stuffApr 02 19:36
_Goblinour friend Andre is trying to be clever:Apr 02 19:36
_Goblin"I am trying to learn C ++ but I get a head ache, why is that?"Apr 02 19:36
_Goblinwell Andre its because in a minute you will pimp c# and .netApr 02 19:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat/Fedora Deliver GNOME Without the Mono http://ur1.ca/szm7 GNOME 2.30 is out and Fedora leaves Tomboy outApr 02 19:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Audio Connections In Gnome - how do I route an output of one app into the input of another? http://is.gd/bbz3s #gnome #ubuntuApr 02 19:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What Tilly Bailey Irvine Solicitors (TBI) tried to hide? http://tinyurl.com/yg6ep9x #tpb #piracyApr 02 19:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Microsoft Patents “Guardian Angel”, Subverts #EIF ; 20 Years Wasted on One Patent http://ur1.ca/szr0Apr 02 20:08
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schestowitz_Goblin: Andre is still in CNETApr 02 20:09
schestowitz"Mr Dee" seen some days agoApr 02 20:09
schestowitzDissing Novell's former CEO and Google's CEO at presentApr 02 20:09
schestowitzNo schwag from Google to this man, I guessApr 02 20:10
_Goblinyeah Ive been watching.....strange that because he admitted on twitter he was Mr DeeApr 02 20:10
schestowitzMaybe he has more accountsApr 02 20:11
_GoblinI think though the brand name Da Costa is no longer taken seriously enough.Apr 02 20:11
_Goblinsorry Da Co$taApr 02 20:11
schestowitzMr. Duh!CostaApr 02 20:11
MinceRRolla CostaApr 02 20:11
schestowitzRolla CockroachApr 02 20:11
_GoblinlolApr 02 20:11
schestowitzLooking to nibble crumbsApr 02 20:12
schestowitzLike laptopsApr 02 20:12
schestowitz*nibble onApr 02 20:12
_Goblinget rid of the Rolla......Andre Da Cockroach sounds better.Apr 02 20:12
schestowitzPut it in the mincerApr 02 20:12
schestowitzMake some beetlejuiceApr 02 20:12
MinceRaccess denied.Apr 02 20:12
*schestowitz salivitingApr 02 20:12
schestowitzdaemonracist should see this: http://nomoredeaths.org/Apr 02 20:13
schestowitzhttp://ia331428.us.archive.org/1/items/freespeechtv_sourcecode209/sc209.ogv?freespeechtv_sourcecode209/sc209.ogvApr 02 20:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft gets two more retail outlets? http://tinyurl.com/ydk5rmf #microsoft #failApr 02 20:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Btw, to mark a message as Important in Evolution press '!' - thanks Michael Hall for the answer!Apr 02 20:42
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schestowitz_Goblin: you missed the important pointApr 02 20:54
schestowitz2 is negligibleApr 02 20:54
schestowitzIt doesn't take offApr 02 20:54
schestowitzIf it did, they would maybe open 200Apr 02 20:54
schestowitz2 in the US is like opening a corner shop (a quarter of a shop) in the UKApr 02 20:54
_GoblinIm sure, but it marks a unique change in dynamics for Microsoft that maybe they have realised they cant throw money at their products and make competitors go away....its why Bing was a decision engine....Apr 02 20:57
_Goblinlooking at MS advertising, I think MS have realized how popular open source and the community surrounding it is.......thats why they have Windows 7 is mine adverts...Apr 02 20:58
cubezzzMicrosoft just isn't the best game in townApr 02 21:04
schestowitzTo many, Apple isApr 02 21:05
schestowitzBut only in rich countriesApr 02 21:05
cubezzzpersonally I don't think they ever were but now it's totally clear :)Apr 02 21:05
cubezzzprobably Sun Sparc was the best Apr 02 21:05
MinceRcrApple isn't the best game in town, eitherApr 02 21:06
cubezzzI've stayed away from AppleApr 02 21:06
schestowitz____/ ceed on Friday 02 Apr 2010 15:01 : \____Apr 02 21:06
schestowitz> Hi,Apr 02 21:06
schestowitz> Apr 02 21:06
schestowitz> I tried Windows 7 for the first time yesterday. I used it on a laptop forApr 02 21:06
schestowitz> a few hours. What immediately strike me is that nothing fundamental hasApr 02 21:06
schestowitz> happened to the worlds most popular OS since Windows 95 which introducedApr 02 21:06
schestowitz> the Start menu. It's still a desktop, icons, a file manager and menus.Apr 02 21:06
schestowitz> Yes, it looks better and certain things work faster, but come on, it'sApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> been more than a decade and nothing fundamental has happened! No wonderApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> Linux has caught up and passed Windows. But even Linux, in it's mostApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> popular form, read stock Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora, is the same thing: desktop,Apr 02 21:07
schestowitz> icons, a file manager and menu's. You have to actively dig into yourApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> distro to find real desktop innovation like tabbed/tiled window managersApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> for instance. But default design major Linux distro's and Windows does theApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> same things in almost the same way. Linux is a little bit ahead in a fewApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> areas and Windows supports more games.Apr 02 21:07
schestowitz> Apr 02 21:07
schestowitz> I hate to say it, but the iPad's touch based UI is the first radical UIApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> design change which could eventually reach the common desktop I've seen inApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> years. And I do not even like touch based UI's (don't throw and iPhone atApr 02 21:07
schestowitz> me, it will bounce and drop).Apr 02 21:07
schestowitzMicrosoft INNOVA~1:Apr 02 21:07
schestowitz"I’d be glad to help tilt lotus into into the death spiral. I could do it Friday afternoon but not Saturday. I could do it pretty much any time the following week." --Brad Silverberg, MicrosoftApr 02 21:07
_Goblin"Called to account for themselves today on the corporation's Newswatch programme, the BBC fielded its hapless technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones who - surprise, surprise - defended the coverage by comparing the launch of Vista to the Model T-Ford."Apr 02 21:07
cubezzzzaurus sl-5500 is just too slow for video :-/Apr 02 21:07
_GoblinIve thought Rory was a fool from day 1.....that Click program is trashApr 02 21:08
cubezzzwhat's Silverberg doing these days?Apr 02 21:08
cubezzzhe still with Microsoft?Apr 02 21:08
cubezzzit shows you their mentality thoughApr 02 21:08
cubezzzah, left in 1999Apr 02 21:09
schestowitz_Goblin: Rory dislikes me because I criticised him for being a Micropple sheepApr 02 21:10
cubezzzwell, back to looking for used Sparc boxes :)Apr 02 21:10
EruaranOne of my pet peeves at the moment with Windows 7 is the stupid dissappearing icon issue.Apr 02 21:11
EruaranCustomers don't know about it because we fix it before the PC goes out the door.Apr 02 21:11
cubezzzdude... I've given doze the boot out of my house :)Apr 02 21:11
EruaranIt happens with every new Windows 7 install.Apr 02 21:11
EruaranIt loses icons, they turn generic, its not a good look.Apr 02 21:12
EruaranI don't have Windows in my house...Apr 02 21:12
amarsh04schestowitz, at least you didn't use the first 4 letters of microsoft and all the letters of appleApr 02 21:12
cubezzzah, at work thenApr 02 21:12
cubezzzSparc's got to be more secure you got to figureApr 02 21:12
schestowitz[21:08] <cubezzz> what's Silverberg doing these days?Apr 02 21:13
schestowitzIgnitionApr 02 21:13
cubezzzyeah, I sawApr 02 21:13
cubezzzhuh, some Sparc's were assembled in CanadaApr 02 21:13
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/22/microsoft-ignition-partners/Apr 02 21:14
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schestowitz^Silverberg hereApr 02 21:14
cubezzzI mean, if you want the slowest, most bloated OS most likely to be attacked... sure go with doze 7 :)Apr 02 21:14
schestowitzEruaran: new logo yet?Apr 02 21:14
cubezzzwell, I didn't think he'd become a GNU person :)Apr 02 21:15
Eruaranschestowitz: not yet, sorry, will work on it todayApr 02 21:15
schestowitzok :-)Apr 02 21:15
schestowitzYou're the design expertApr 02 21:15
Eruaranme?Apr 02 21:15
EruaranlolApr 02 21:16
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_Goblinschestowitz: Maybe Rory is not a MS sheep maybe he just doesn't understand anything else?Apr 02 21:16
yuhongOn Windows 7 and USB:Apr 02 21:16
yuhonghttp://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/23/329Apr 02 21:16
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cubezzzI put multiple zaurus power supplies around the house so I can always plug it inApr 02 21:17
yuhongFunny, huh?Apr 02 21:17
EruaranDang, my mocha got cold quickApr 02 21:18
cubezzzBoo Intel and Boo WindowsApr 02 21:18
Eruaranwill have to give it a zapApr 02 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A reason why the license fee is not worth the money? Apparently BBC Click is its flagship tech show....oh dear..no hope. #bbc #click #failApr 02 21:20
schestowitz_Goblin: yes,  that's itApr 02 21:21
schestowitzHere's what I don't like:Apr 02 21:21
schestowitzMany reporters decide what's important based on market capApr 02 21:21
schestowitzAs though there's a financial threshold for what they are allowed to publiciseApr 02 21:21
schestowitzyuhong: people who want USB 3.0 use LinuxApr 02 21:22
schestowitzVista 7 is behindApr 02 21:22
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_GoblinDo we really believe Rory has any knowledge...I think he's no more than a script reader......he gets under my skin not so much for what he says but more how he presents it....Apr 02 21:22
yuhongYes, I know.Apr 02 21:22
yuhongBut that is not what this is referring too.Apr 02 21:22
schestowitz_Goblin: some people suck up to him, MSFT employees for exampleApr 02 21:23
schestowitzThey use himApr 02 21:23
EruaranMost reporters would make Edward R Murrow turn in his grave.Apr 02 21:23
yuhongWhich is about a USB 2.0 problem.Apr 02 21:23
_GoblinSpenser Kelly is the same.Apr 02 21:23
yuhongHowever, here is a thread on LKML about USB 3.0:Apr 02 21:24
yuhonghttp://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/23/62Apr 02 21:24
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yuhongSupport is getting better in Linux over time.Apr 02 21:25
Eruaranschestowitz: Speaking of 7 being behind... I had an interesting experience with a customer this week... a nightmare restoring their Outlook accounts/settings on Windows 7 (can you say Registry hell?)... It ended up a conversation on how far Windows is behind Linux desktops like KDE.Apr 02 21:26
yuhongWindows 7 is behind in implementing AVX register save support too, but unlike with USB 3.0, that don't matter because Intel and AMD has not released chips supporting AVX yet.Apr 02 21:27
yuhongAnd won't until early 2011, by then SP1 will be released which will include support.Apr 02 21:28
EruaranIn other words Intel and AMD wont be testing their processors with Windows.Apr 02 21:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Works Better Than #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/t00e http://ur1.ca/t00fApr 02 21:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Symbolises What's Wrong With Computing and Why We Need Free(dom) Software http://ur1.ca/t00mApr 02 21:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux "Has Changed Everything" at IBM http://ur1.ca/t010Apr 02 21:37
schestowitzEruaran: just reinstall VIsta 7Apr 02 21:38
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phIRCe-BNcomHello World!Apr 02 21:38
schestowitzThat usually fixed everythingApr 02 21:39
schestowitzUntil the next time...Apr 02 21:39
schestowitz*xesApr 02 21:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks, Evolution Developers! http://is.gd/bbG8A #gnomeApr 02 21:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ skepticlatheist Lest we forget the abused adult women http://tinyurl.com/yd7dz5eApr 02 21:39
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Eruaranschestowitz: heh, reinstall the problem? ;)Apr 02 21:41
Eruaranschestowitz: You have to rebuild the icon cache... then it works... bleh...Apr 02 21:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Gets Rid of Lock, #Lexmark Adds Its Weight http://ur1.ca/t01b http://ur1.ca/t01cApr 02 21:41
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EruaranHow long have we had graphical desktops with icons for?Apr 02 21:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patience Pays Off for #KDE4 , A Look at #GNOME 2.30 http://ur1.ca/t01q http://ur1.ca/t01rApr 02 21:43
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schestowitzEruaran: about 15 yearsApr 02 21:45
Eruaranschestowitz: I thought it was more like 30 yearsApr 02 21:46
EruaranIts 2010, and Microsoft can't fix an icon bug that's been there since Vista...Apr 02 21:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Family News and #Interview http://ur1.ca/t02g http://ur1.ca/t02iApr 02 21:47
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yuhongOn Win7 and USB 3.0...You know that it was pretty much similar with WinXP and USB 2.0 back in 2001-2002Apr 02 21:57
yuhongOn Win7 and USB 3.0...You know that it was pretty much similar with WinXP and USB 2.0 back in 2001-2002?Apr 02 21:57
schestowitzEruaran: oh, I thought you meant "We" as in "Linux users"Apr 02 21:59
schestowitzyuhong: I'm not following..Apr 02 21:59
yuhongDo you remember when USB 2.0 came out?Apr 02 22:00
Eruaranschestowitz: No just in general termsApr 02 22:00
yuhongAround the time of Windows XP?Apr 02 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Enterprise #GNU #Linux 5.5: An Overview http://ur1.ca/t03cApr 02 22:00
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yuhongRemember waiting until XP SP1 to get support? They were able to backport it to Win2000 SP3 too.Apr 02 22:01
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schestowitzyuhong: I don't rememberApr 02 22:06
schestowitzI didn't use XPApr 02 22:06
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yuhongOK, so you already switched to Linux by then.Apr 02 22:10
yuhongAnyone else remember?Apr 02 22:10
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phIRCe-BNcomTitle:  Paralyzed Artist Relies on Open Source Device for Drawing  .::. Size~: 21.95 KBApr 02 22:13
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Why Toyota Should Go Open Source - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 55.29 KBApr 02 22:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Simon Phipps Enters the #OSI Officially http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/former-sun-open-source-officer-joins-osi-board-109Apr 02 22:15
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phIRCe-BNcomTitle: [Phoronix] Lexmark's Linux Secret (Testing With The Pro905 Platinum) .::. Size~: 20.94 KBApr 02 22:52
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/27002783#notice-27029143 "@schestowitz "exclusive right of public performance"? sounds like they're looking to extort cash out of concert takings too..." Yeah, well, they insist on reviving aged businessApr 02 23:11
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schestowitz"@schestowitz ah, they mention payola as well.  That needed to be said. "http://identi.ca/conversation/27003578#notice-27029956 conglomerates  Apr 02 23:11
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_goblinjust noticed something.....Apr 02 23:18
_goblinAdacosta is finally an MVP....Apr 02 23:18
_goblinsorry I mean Andre Da CostaApr 02 23:18
_goblinheres his twitter profile:Apr 02 23:18
_goblin"Microsoft MVP, Technology Enthusiast, Windows Enthusiast, Windows Live, Windows 7, Blogger, Notebooks.com, ActiveWin.com"Apr 02 23:18
_goblinwhen did that happen?Apr 02 23:19
_goblinlol....Apr 02 23:20
_goblinaccording to his blog he recieved an email on April 1stApr 02 23:20
_goblinI wonder if the jokes on him or on us?Apr 02 23:20
_goblinHe gives a little "history" of his "work" on the Net.....Apr 02 23:20
_goblinits funny he doesn't mention Mr Dee or his posting on Microsoft Watch.Apr 02 23:21
_goblinFrom his blog:Apr 02 23:21
_goblin"with the MVP Award come new responsibilities, which is to bring you information that is always accurate, responsible and dependable while building on that strong spirit of community!"Apr 02 23:21
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_goblinso would that be like his comment of "Shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows 7"?Apr 02 23:22
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Red-Hat-release-OpenJDK-1-6-0-security-update-969281.htmlApr 02 23:22
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Red Hat release OpenJDK 1.6.0 security update - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.05 KBApr 02 23:23
schestowitz_goblin: interesting..Apr 02 23:24
_goblinhe's being articled now.Apr 02 23:24
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schestowitzOK, goodApr 02 23:29
cubezzzeveryone's selling used Sparc's with no keyboardApr 02 23:30
EruaranDo they have particularly nice keyboards? ;)Apr 02 23:30
schestowitzhttp://www.macnn.com/articles/10/03/30/itworld.lists.top.5.security.fixes.in.1063/Apr 02 23:31
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Briefly: ShiVa 3D adds iPad support, 10.6.3 security fixes | MacNN .::. Size~: 68.36 KBApr 02 23:31
schestowitz"Stonetrip has announced that it will be updating its ShiVa 3D software with additional iPad development capabilities. The latest version expands supported platforms to include PC, Mac, Web, Linux, iPhone, Android and iPad."Apr 02 23:31
schestowitzWaitApr 02 23:31
schestowitzWindows is called "PC" now?Apr 02 23:31
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EruaranI see that all too commonlyApr 02 23:32
MinceRcrApple cultists call it thatApr 02 23:33
EruaranPeople think PC=Windows and don't know Android is LinuxApr 02 23:33
schestowitzGoogle should dumps flash.Apr 02 23:33
schestowitzhttp://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/30/google.may.have.slight.edge.on.ipad.with.tablets/Apr 02 23:33
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Chrome OS to carry built-in Flash too | Electronista .::. Size~: 61.04 KBApr 02 23:33
schestowitzInstead it has it in YTApr 02 23:33
MinceRgoogle should also dump h.264Apr 02 23:33
schestowitzMinceR: they are a fringe groupApr 02 23:33
EruaranyesApr 02 23:33
schestowitzNews sites should ignore themApr 02 23:33
MinceRschestowitz: isn't that a crApple cultist "news" site?Apr 02 23:33
schestowitzOh, oopsApr 02 23:34
schestowitzI hadn't noticedApr 02 23:34
schestowitzMac users don't use PCsApr 02 23:34
schestowitzThey use something specialApr 02 23:34
schestowitzComponents made in special factoriesApr 02 23:34
MinceRyeah, they use PCs with EFIApr 02 23:34
schestowitzWith the discarded defective ones thrown to "PC" factoriesApr 02 23:34
Eruaranlol schestowitz you just reminded me of the mactards we sometimes get in the storeApr 02 23:35
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EruaranSometimes a Mac user will come in wanting a hard driveApr 02 23:35
Eruaraninternal/external doesn't matterApr 02 23:35
schestowitzMinceR: effigyApr 02 23:35
EruaranThey want a Mac driveApr 02 23:35
MinceRWD does sell drives "for mac"Apr 02 23:35
EruaranI tell them we got Seagate and Western Digital mainlyApr 02 23:35
MinceRit's funnyApr 02 23:35
EruaranI ask them if they want IDE or SATAApr 02 23:36
Eruaranthey say MACApr 02 23:36
schestowitzWhat's, the diff?Apr 02 23:36
schestowitzThey carve some Mac logo?Apr 02 23:36
MinceRthey're whiteApr 02 23:36
schestowitzOr some Apple-cerified priests blesses it in China @ 20 cents/hour?Apr 02 23:36
MinceRand probably formatted with some crApple FS and preloaded with sw for osxApr 02 23:36
EruaranI had an idiot with a real nose up in air attitude in one day who insisted that a hard drive for a mac was something special and different... Apr 02 23:36
schestowitzEruaran: you're confusing themApr 02 23:36
schestowitzThey don't know what left and right mouse buttons meanApr 02 23:37
EruaranI told him, "I can draw an Apple logo on it if you want"Apr 02 23:37
MinceREruaran: maybe it's code for "i want the most expensive hard drive you've got"Apr 02 23:37
schestowitzMinceR: white before they take them to the bathroomApr 02 23:37
MinceRs/hard/external &/Apr 02 23:37
schestowitzMinceR: Apple has bad FSesApr 02 23:37
schestowitzIt's not even theirsApr 02 23:37
MinceRmost of the sw they sell isn't theirsApr 02 23:38
schestowitz[23:36] <Eruaran> I had an idiot with a real nose up in air attitude in one day who insisted that a hard drive for a mac was something special and different... Apr 02 23:38
schestowitzMongoloids are special and different... Apr 02 23:38
MinceRwell, most of the stuff they sell isn't theirsApr 02 23:38
EruaranI told him, "I can draw an Apple logo on it if you want"Apr 02 23:38
MinceRthe ideas, the patents, the standards -- almost none of that is theirsApr 02 23:38
schestowitz"Great artists steal"Apr 02 23:39
EruaranThe Apple logo has magical qualities ;)Apr 02 23:39
MinceRyeahApr 02 23:39
MinceRgreat artists steal and then lie about itApr 02 23:39
schestowitzOr keep secretiveApr 02 23:39
schestowitzLike Apple doesApr 02 23:39
EruaranIt is imbued with the Jobs reality distortion fieldApr 02 23:39
MinceRand accuse the ones they stole from with stealingApr 02 23:39
MinceRand attack themApr 02 23:39
EruaranLike the Flashbulb?Apr 02 23:39
MinceRlike crApple does with the free software communityApr 02 23:39
schestowitz“The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.” -Andre GideApr 02 23:40
EruaranHis music is still on iTunesApr 02 23:40
MinceRi have no idea who flashbulb isApr 02 23:40
schestowitziTooons?Apr 02 23:40
MinceRschestowitz: hypeTunesApr 02 23:40
EruaranApple has no agreement with him, his management or labelApr 02 23:40
schestowitzMinceR: me neitherApr 02 23:40
schestowitzMinceR: noApr 02 23:40
schestowitzhypetoonsApr 02 23:40
schestowitzIt's where they watch animeApr 02 23:40
schestowitzBefore opening photoshop to do stlylish stuffApr 02 23:41
EruaranMinceR: he's an artist who's material appears on iTunes without his consent or any agreement with AppleApr 02 23:41
schestowitzGIMP has some more fuction than PhotoSHOEApr 02 23:41
MinceRstylish stuff that gimp did ages ago, and did it better? :>Apr 02 23:41
schestowitzGIMP has a lot of 3rd part free functionalityApr 02 23:41
MinceREruaran: why doesn't he sue?Apr 02 23:41
schestowitz*partyApr 02 23:41
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EruaranMinceR: He's an independent artist, his label is also small.. they don't have the money to go up against Apples lawyersApr 02 23:42
EruaraniTunes is unethicalApr 02 23:42
MinceRicApr 02 23:42
MinceRhe could at least make a stink about itApr 02 23:42
Eruaranhe didApr 02 23:43
MinceRnot big enoughApr 02 23:43
EruaranHe also put his own material up on the pirate bay and told fans to download for free from the pirate bay and not to give their money to AppleApr 02 23:43
schestowitzhttp://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/31/ps3_hacker_fights_back/Apr 02 23:43
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Hacker pledges to re-enable Linux on PS3 • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.94 KBApr 02 23:43
schestowitzNow I view Sony as just AMFIAA funderApr 02 23:43
schestowitzAnd they use embedded Linux in TVs and stuffApr 02 23:43
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schestowitzAnd don't give much backApr 02 23:44
EruaranThe "best" response Flashbulb has ever got from Apple is "were sorry you have a problem"Apr 02 23:44
schestowitzLinux already has companies trying to centralise powerApr 02 23:45
schestowitzMaemo, Android store, etcApr 02 23:45
schestowitzWe need to reject thoseApr 02 23:45
schestowitzThey also act as gatewayApr 02 23:45
schestowitzAnd gateKEEPERSApr 02 23:45
schestowitzhttp://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=364084&Itemid=34Apr 02 23:46
schestowitzI know nothing about this company... Guest-tekApr 02 23:46
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ei=EnG2S_PCMo7u0gTdjpmrBQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAsQBSgA&q=Guest-tek+microsoft&spell=1Apr 02 23:46
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Guest-tek microsoft - Google Search .::. Size~: 27.07 KBApr 02 23:46
MinceRMaemo was replaced by MeeGoApr 02 23:47
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=Guest-tekApr 02 23:47
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBApr 02 23:47
schestowitzMinceR: meego down?Apr 02 23:47
schestowitzit's poisoned by the criminals who run Intel Apr 02 23:47
schestowitzPeople like Barret and OtelliniApr 02 23:47
MinceRat least it's a more open platform for pda/phones than androidApr 02 23:48
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/SimplyMEPIS-8-5-Final-Switches-to-KDE-4-3-4-138854.shtmlApr 02 23:48
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: SimplyMEPIS 8.5 Final Switches to KDE 4.3.4 - Based on Debian Lenny - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.64 KBApr 02 23:48
schestowitzopen means littleApr 02 23:48
schestowitzWe need libreApr 02 23:48
schestowitzAtrocious headline: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2260510/roles-2020Apr 02 23:50
MinceRin this context, open means you can run your own code on itApr 02 23:50
schestowitzIntel wants no h/w optionsApr 02 23:50
MinceRand use its apisApr 02 23:50
schestowitzAnd it bribes to escape more prosecutionsApr 02 23:50
schestowitzHaving bribes to earn a positionApr 02 23:50
schestowitzIt's like MicrosoftApr 02 23:50
schestowitzhttp://www.geeky-gadgets.com/silicon-power-a70-waterproof-external-rugged-hard-drive-31-03-2010/Apr 02 23:53
schestowitz"The Silicon Power A70 meets military standards for ruggedness and also is IEC529 IPX7 compliant for water resistance. It feature read and write speeds of up to 480Mbps and is compatible with Windows, Mac and Linux."Apr 02 23:53
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Silicon Power A70 Waterproof External Rugged Hard Drive | Geeky Gadgets .::. Size~: 24.62 KBApr 02 23:53
schestowitzNo way, jo-se!!Apr 02 23:53
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schestowitzMac uses the same hardware as those "cheap bastards"Apr 02 23:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Congrats to Andre Da Costa MVP? – Here’s how to become one? http://tinyurl.com/ycyk6t2 #microsoft #fud #mvp #linux #apple #foss #windowsApr 02 23:53
schestowitzWhy pay premium then?Apr 02 23:53
phIRCe-BNcomTitle: Congrats to Andre Da Costa MVP?  Heres how to become one? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 31.62 KBApr 02 23:53
MinceRbecause then you can get shiny white plastic with a cult logoApr 02 23:55
MinceRand feel eliteApr 02 23:56
MinceReven if it catches fire or blows up or just bricks itselfApr 02 23:56
MinceRyou get to belong to a group that isn't worth belonging toApr 02 23:56
schestowitzwhat do you guys remember from the vista 7 battery fiasco?Apr 02 23:59

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