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| schestowitz | tessier_: hey :-) | Apr 06 01:15 |
| tessier_ | Hi! :) | Apr 06 01:15 |
| schestowitz | it's simple. We just need to point each page in bn/somepage.htm to the techrights.org/somepage.htm with redirect (code 301 for permanent) | Apr 06 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I think it's one line in .htaccess, but I don't know how you map both domains to same homedir | Apr 06 01:16 |
| tessier_ | Ok. We can create two virtual host stanzas in the http config that point to the same place. | Apr 06 01:16 |
| schestowitz | That sounds good | Apr 06 01:17 |
| tessier_ | Do you have the .htaccess somewhere? | Apr 06 01:17 |
| schestowitz | To Google, it's important that 301 is returned | Apr 06 01:17 |
| tessier_ | Actually, I have already configured it so that boycottnovell.com is an alias to techrights.org | Apr 06 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Here is what Google says | Apr 06 01:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=83106 | Apr 06 01:18 |
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| tessier_ | So both techrights.org and boycottnovell.com are already pointing at the same data | Apr 06 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "Use a 301 Redirect to permanently redirect all pages on your old site to your new site. This tells search engines and users that your site has permanently moved. We recommend that you move and redirect a section or directory first, and then test to make sure that your redirects are working correctly before moving all your content. " | Apr 06 01:18 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: yeah, but we need all requests to be sent to techrights.org | Apr 06 01:19 |
| schestowitz | with 301 | Apr 06 01:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=83105 | Apr 06 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | I can then handle the rest by doing the Google form, to make it aware the site has moved as a whole | Apr 06 01:19 |
| tessier_ | hmm...so it sounds like they do need to be separate directories | Apr 06 01:20 |
| tessier_ | One with the .htaccess issuing the 301 | Apr 06 01:20 |
| tessier_ | And the other with the real content? | Apr 06 01:20 |
| tessier_ | Do you have an example htaccess or apache config I can look at which does the 301? | Apr 06 01:20 |
| schestowitz | I pasted a few things the other day | Apr 06 01:20 |
| schestowitz | I searched for some stuff on "301 site migration" | Apr 06 01:21 |
| tessier_ | ok, I'll look it up again | Apr 06 01:21 |
| schestowitz | I think 301 can be returned with the URLs rewritten | Apr 06 01:21 |
| schestowitz | So essentially returning the same thing with a redirect code and another URL | Apr 06 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I'm also registering techrights.com because someone told me to do this | Apr 06 01:22 |
| tessier_ | A good idea. | Apr 06 01:22 |
| tessier_ | Otherwise a troll will swipe it, pretend to be you, and cause problems. | Apr 06 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe a conditional statement for whether or not the request comes for one domain? | Apr 06 01:41 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: Maybe there's a simple way to just handle based on the requested URL with "www.bn.." or "bn..." | Apr 06 01:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@angrytownhall We URGE Americans to ONLY eat #food NOT approved by #FDA or #USDA //home grown/free range? no #MSG or #aspartame? works 4 me | Apr 06 01:45 | |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: I gotta run for a dinner appointment but I'll be back online this evening to finish sorting this out. | Apr 06 01:50 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Apr 06 01:50 |
| schestowitz | I'll get some sleep :-) | Apr 06 01:51 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 06 01:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Q-What happens when you get 10 really smart people in one room? A-Burn rate. | Apr 06 01:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | I lol'd | Apr 06 02:20 |
| *WireWulf waits on ff | Apr 06 02:22 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 02:23 |
| *DaemonFC prefers Opera lately | Apr 06 02:23 | |
| WireWulf | i like opera | Apr 06 02:24 |
| WireWulf | but it doesn't like my firewall too well | Apr 06 02:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Is duct tape a reliable carton sealer? | Apr 06 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | anyone? | Apr 06 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to go to the store just over that | Apr 06 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | WireWulf: loads of WIndows users gone Opera in Europe, after getting the ballot screen | Apr 06 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | damn it's dark out there | Apr 06 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | no street lamp lightbulbs in the budget I'm guessing | Apr 06 03:10 |
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| WireWulf | sebsebseb: opera will not work playing videos do to my buggy scripting :P | Apr 06 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | the ad blocking filter I use has a bug in it | Apr 06 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | it stops Flash from loading on lala.com | Apr 06 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only little annoyance I've run into | Apr 06 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 06 03:22 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: you script your own firewall? | Apr 06 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason I've been using the words "redneck" and "wanker" as a pair ever since that episode of Married With children | Apr 06 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | where you find out that Peggy's maiden name is Wanker and that the county her family lives in is named after them | Apr 06 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | the Wankers of Wanker County :) | Apr 06 03:23 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: damned you fucking redneck wanking ways :P | Apr 06 03:23 |
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| DaemonFC | the word is not well enough understood here to really let someone know you've insulted them | Apr 06 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | you can tell them that being a wanker is a good thing :) | Apr 06 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | a real compliment | Apr 06 03:24 |
| Ziodotmatrix | que? | Apr 06 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | so it's kind of a stealth insult | Apr 06 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ziodotmatrix: Wanker | Apr 06 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 03:25 |
| Ziodotmatrix | mierrda | Apr 06 03:25 |
| Ziodotmatrix | :-D | Apr 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | something to do with shit? | Apr 06 03:26 |
| Ziodotmatrix | yep | Apr 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 03:26 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: hey shits funny! | Apr 06 03:26 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: name that movie | Apr 06 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | no clue | Apr 06 03:26 |
| Ziodotmatrix | tu estudpido pico mierrda | Apr 06 03:26 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: hmmm | Apr 06 03:27 |
| Ziodotmatrix | lol jk | Apr 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'm surprised the guy raping the donkey in Clerks II got a rating | Apr 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | honestly | Apr 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | that alone would have gotten them an NC-17 back in the 90s | Apr 06 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | NC-17 means a death sentence for movies they want to put in the theater ;) Though they usually sell better on home video | Apr 06 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | so NC-17 is avoided in the theater with some editing, then they put all the stuff back in, get it an NC-17 rating on DVD | Apr 06 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 03:29 |
| Ziodotmatrix | wasn't Durasic Park originally NC-17 oddlly enough? | Apr 06 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | not sure | Apr 06 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | the MPAA has been more lenient in what they consider an R rating lately | Apr 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's stirring up those "Congressional hearings" again | Apr 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Congress trying to figure out how it can violate the First Amendment and get away with it | Apr 06 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | same deal on violent video games, some states outlawed them but got the law stricken in federal courts | Apr 06 03:31 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: don't they always? | Apr 06 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana would be barred from banning video games at the state level due to our state constitution | Apr 06 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | Ziodotmatrix: Not all states have the right to freedom of speech and expression in their state constitution | Apr 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | but the federal bill of rights still applies | Apr 06 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | so the law survives there until challenged in federal courts | Apr 06 03:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | states dont need to replicate the constitution imo | Apr 06 03:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | at least, they didnt | Apr 06 03:33 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: and this is why some think libretarians are loony considering individual states on their own accord never have a great track record in retaining rights. I suppose the federal gov is gettin cushy too. | Apr 06 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | A law to ban books, movies, games, whatever in Indiana wouldn't last long as our state constitution has a bill of rights including freedom of speech, expression, religion, association, and peaceful assembly, and our courts can use the US Constitution as grounds to strike something that may end up in federal court later | Apr 06 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: The federal bill of rights didn't apply to the states until the 14th Amendment was added | Apr 06 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | and wasn't fully tested in court until the 1960s | Apr 06 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | when the police in Cincinnati, Ohio busted into a woman's home without a warrant :) | Apr 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | 1962 I belive | Apr 06 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | *believe | Apr 06 03:35 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: they just wanted to search for any potential contraband ;-) | Apr 06 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | the persons in the home were convicted on drug charges, but the US Supreme Court ruled that the evidence was inadmissible because they didn't have a warrant or probable cause | Apr 06 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | and the state of Ohio had to let them go and erase the conviction from their records | Apr 06 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | so searches and seizures by state and local government now has at least the appearance of legitimacy | Apr 06 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | instead of busting down the door unannounced, they go get the judge to sign off on a warrant and then bust in unannounced | Apr 06 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | see how much safer that makes us? :D | Apr 06 03:38 |
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| DaemonFC | I think the idea was originally that it provides some oversight and accountability | Apr 06 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | but if they break down your door and don't find anything, about all you're getting out of them is compensation for the door and anything else they broke during the search | Apr 06 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | I should have broke a bunch of shit after the police searched my apartment and came up empty and then took pictures and sued them | Apr 06 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | go to the psychiatrist, claim emotional distress | Apr 06 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | sue them for that | Apr 06 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 03:40 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: actually I read lawsuits against police have gone up. Of course you have to sue the entire barracks and not just those responsible. Even though the result is simiilar. | Apr 06 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | actually, the entire city government is the defendant :) | Apr 06 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | or state, or federal | Apr 06 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | so the docket would say Ryan Farmer v. State of Indiana | Apr 06 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I was the defendant in a lawsuit once claiming that I had broken a rental lease | Apr 06 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | which I hadn't | Apr 06 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | the former landlord ended up paying court costs | Apr 06 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 03:47 |
| Ziodotmatrix | sweet, the legal system can sometimes work in your favor. I'm sure even though they can't admit it, popular opinion plays a role. | Apr 06 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | the courts actually have more power than they used to | Apr 06 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | because laws are less defined now :) | Apr 06 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | so the courts get to fill in the gaps as litigation ensues | Apr 06 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | yay litigation | Apr 06 03:50 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: but it now makes many cases drag out so long now. | Apr 06 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | yes, influx of litigation | Apr 06 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | and that's the point really | Apr 06 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | if they let the courts make up the controversial decisions, then nobody can blame the people who wrote and enacted the law | Apr 06 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | and you can't vote a judge out of a life term :D | Apr 06 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | litigation is a way to shield legislators and executives from responsibility | Apr 06 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | judges higher than county level are not elected, they are appointed | Apr 06 03:53 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: but in some states you can vote judges in and now since corporations are people that can put in as many campaign funds as they wish... | Apr 06 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | the idea behind that is so that the appeals and supreme courts did not have to face a backlash from the public | Apr 06 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | they can make a ruling and not have to worry about being voted out for it | Apr 06 03:54 |
| Ziodotmatrix | true but Federal Judges have humble beginnings | Apr 06 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ziodotmatrix: The other interesting thing is that the US Supreme Court decides what it will hear | Apr 06 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | if your case went badly at the appeals court and gets denied a hearing at the Supreme Court, you lose | Apr 06 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | there is no place else to go :D | Apr 06 03:55 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DaemonFC: well it's main purpose is keeping legislature and executives in legal check | Apr 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | the Supreme Court, for example, can decide a case lacks merit and would simply waste the courts time | Apr 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | like the Obama birth certificate stupidity | Apr 06 03:56 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: what caused them to search your apartment | Apr 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | suspicion | Apr 06 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 03:57 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 06 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | suspicion that I wouldn't hear about them coming and get rid of the stuff they suspected me of having | Apr 06 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 06 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | the court fucked up, neighborlee | Apr 06 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | big time | Apr 06 03:58 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: they have to have decent proof, as without it they typically dont get a search order.. | Apr 06 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | they send out arrest warrants to your home through the mail, right? | Apr 06 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 03:58 |
| neighborlee | or so i've heard | Apr 06 03:58 |
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| DaemonFC | they messed up and sent me a copy of the search warrant | Apr 06 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | in the mail | Apr 06 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 03:58 |
| neighborlee | weirrd | Apr 06 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | the police got here about 2 hours after I got rid of what they were looking for | Apr 06 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 03:59 |
| neighborlee | sounds like a funny movie | Apr 06 03:59 |
| neighborlee | maybe you should sell rights | Apr 06 03:59 |
| neighborlee | ha | Apr 06 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | Colonel Klink runs our police force here B-) | Apr 06 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | I call him that anyway | Apr 06 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | egg shaped head, bald | Apr 06 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm procrastinating on putting that air conditioner in | Apr 06 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | that thing weighs 80 pounds and is under a pile of assorted crap in my closet | Apr 06 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | but there will be hell to pay here in a few weeks if it's not in there | Apr 06 04:05 |
| *DaemonFC sighs and goes to do it | Apr 06 04:05 | |
| DaemonFC | if you hear and cursing and swearing in there, I dropped it on myself | Apr 06 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 04:05 |
| *DaemonFC finds his steel toe boots first | Apr 06 04:06 | |
| Ziodotmatrix | anyway I know my stay has been short but I'm mad tired, laterz | Apr 06 04:10 |
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| yuhong | BTW, on my comments on MS blogs, I said that "Yea, it is an unfortunate curse of non open-source software and the Microsoft development process that a simple option like this would be so hard to add.“ | Apr 06 05:14 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2010/02/23/9967789.aspx#9988628 | Apr 06 05:15 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8800/updikewarrior.jpg | Apr 06 06:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I did this one myself B-) | Apr 06 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | neighborlee: ping | Apr 06 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 06:07 |
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| schestowitz | THe stupid bank has this mechanism which it thinks can detect Windows zombies | Apr 06 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Now I need to go to a branch, because of a false positive | Apr 06 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 06 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You like the picture? | Apr 06 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/49240-victims-of-call-of-duty-crash-get-xbox-live-credit-of-about-90-c | Apr 06 07:47 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Victims of Call of Duty crash get Xbox Live credit of about 90 cents | TG Daily .::. Size~: 45.69 KB | Apr 06 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-brief/49238-comcast-wal-mart-favored-to-win-worst-company-contest | Apr 06 07:49 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Comcast, Wal-Mart favored to win "worst company" contest | TG Daily .::. Size~: 45.4 KB | Apr 06 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | damn it | Apr 06 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/03/dont-worry-about-what-the-ipad-costs-you-cant-afford-the-apps.html | Apr 06 07:52 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Don't Worry About What The iPad Costs, You Can't Afford The Apps - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 63.18 KB | Apr 06 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/02/ups-successfully-delivers-your-package-to-bsmt-garbagecan.html | Apr 06 07:54 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: UPS Successfully Delivers Your Package To "BSMT GARBAGECAN" - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 53.08 KB | Apr 06 07:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@woodsy_bristol Why does #OpenOffice produce smaller .doc files than M$ #Office? Curious but true... // doesn't surprise in the least | Apr 06 07:54 | |
| schestowitz | "Garbage Warrior"? | Apr 06 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Are they still not picking up the trash? | Apr 06 07:54 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: ping | Apr 06 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Went 3 weeks this time before the pickup | Apr 06 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | I was running through the apartment finding anything I could throw away no matter how small | Apr 06 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | [no telling when they'll be back! | Apr 06 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | there were piles of anywhere between 5-30 garbage bags outside most every home | Apr 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | cause people thought they were coming last week | Apr 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | the mayor must go | Apr 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | while there is still a town | Apr 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The good news is he doesn't have to worry about the Democrats | Apr 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans aren't even hiding how much they hate him now | Apr 06 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | he won't even make it out of the Republican primaries next election | Apr 06 07:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Am now, but I'll assume that you are in bed. Been writing a lot today, and when I do that, I ignore twitter :) | Apr 06 07:58 | |
| DaemonFC | I'd say he's pissing just about everyone off, almost all the time | Apr 06 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | of course why would I try to predict that a much hated politician will be shown the door? *I* stupidly thought that Bush had no chance in 2004 | Apr 06 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh for crying out loud, not again! No!!! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!" | Apr 06 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | I believe was my response | Apr 06 08:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@woodsy_bristol You are full of interesting #openoffice facts! ;-) | Apr 06 08:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@nika7k scary to know that the fox is guarding the henhouse wrt to toxins and all other dangers in #food :-( #fda #usda #foodinc #gmo | Apr 06 08:08 | |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/04/kfcs-bacon-sandwich-on-fried-chicken-bread-kills-people-everywhere-on-april-12.html | Apr 06 08:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I must have one :D | Apr 06 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's a "how many of what had to die to make that!?" sandwich | Apr 06 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | I love those | Apr 06 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | 540 calories? | Apr 06 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | That's not terrible | Apr 06 08:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Fix Unresponsive or Frozen Linux Computers using Shortcuts - http://bit.ly/aXB8BO | Apr 06 08:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2010/01/company-puts-500-blu-ray-player-in-new-case-charges-3000-markup-and-gets-caught.html | Apr 06 08:22 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Lexicon Puts $500 Blu-Ray Player In New Case, Charges $3000 Markup ...And Gets Caught - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 58.25 KB | Apr 06 08:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ALDE press conference abotu ACTA with Michael Geist (CA) in the European Parliament at 10am in one hour: http://i5.be/aHt | Apr 06 08:23 | |
| schestowitz | I used to read consumerist | Apr 06 08:23 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Agenda | EurActiv .::. Size~: 34.77 KB | Apr 06 08:23 |
| schestowitz | It got too boring | Apr 06 08:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ALDE conference about ACTA this afternoon in the European Parliament: http://i5.be/aCP | Apr 06 08:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Webstreaming of the ALDE conference about ACTA this afternoon at 14h, please record it: http://i5.be/aHu http://ur1.ca/tmfb | Apr 06 08:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/zip/1669879845.html | Apr 06 08:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Now why would I need anyone else giving me more horse shit? | Apr 06 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 08:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM threatening Open Source Mainframe emulator with software patents, threat letter published: http://ur1.ca/tmjk | Apr 06 08:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM letter dated 11 March 2010 to TurboHercules SAS .::. Size~: 110.04 KB | Apr 06 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/89944227.html | Apr 06 08:51 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Huntington City Councilman: Mayor Playing Political Games | Indiana's NewsCenter: News, Sports, Weather, Fort Wayne WPTA-TV, WISE-TV, CW, and My Network| Local & Regional .::. Size~: 67.88 KB | Apr 06 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 08:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Removes Codec #Patent Trap, But What About #Mono ? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/06/aac-encoder-and-i4i/ #microsoft #apple | Apr 06 08:56 | |
| schestowitz | tessier_: are you around? | Apr 06 08:56 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Ubuntu Removes Codec Patent Trap, But What About Mono? | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.07 KB | Apr 06 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | some residents are circulating a petition agreeing to the $10 a month trash fee | Apr 06 08:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM threatening Open Source Mainframe emulator with software patents, threat letter published as PDF: http://i5.be/aHx | Apr 06 08:57 | |
| DaemonFC | I say we should be circulating a petition to remove the mayor from office | Apr 06 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like this is his only screw up | Apr 06 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/06/obama.nuclear.weapons/?hpt=T1 | Apr 06 08:59 |
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| DaemonFC | It should be "If the Republicans take over again, we blow the warheads and get it over with quickly" | Apr 06 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 09:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Florian Mueller: IBM breaks the taboo and betrays its promise to the FOSS community http://ur1.ca/tmst | Apr 06 09:10 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: FOSS Patents: IBM breaks the taboo and betrays its promise to the FOSS community .::. Size~: 69.01 KB | Apr 06 09:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Hardware Business is Failing, So Microsoft Sues Rival for #Patent Violation http://ur1.ca/tmzz #xbox #zune #datel #fail | Apr 06 09:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Microsofts Hardware Business is Failing, So Microsoft Sues Rival for Patent Violation | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.91 KB | Apr 06 09:24 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Your rotting for the patent trolls when they go after Microsoft | Apr 06 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | so that reminds me a bit about the general public rooting for bank robbers during the depression | Apr 06 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest difference in bank robbers back then was that they never robbed or harmed anyone in the bank besides the bank itself | Apr 06 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | and if they took hostages, they let them out down the road after having a drink with them along the way | Apr 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | patent trolls rob indiscriminately, more like the train robbers of the old west | Apr 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | looting and murdering passengers too | Apr 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | anyone that was at hand | Apr 06 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | you think you're rooting for the polite bank robber that is avenging the public looting when you're really rooting for the train robbers who will get you too if you're in their area | Apr 06 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 06 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The bank robbers went to great care never to rob or hurt the bystanders because they would lose that public support if they did | Apr 06 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | one guy handed John Dillinger his money from the paycheck he just cashed and Dillinger handed it back and said "I don't want your money, I just want the bank's money" | Apr 06 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | patent trolls are not that considerate | Apr 06 09:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM threatening Open Source company TurboHercules with no less then 173 software patents: http://ur1.ca/tnda | Apr 06 09:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New leak shows that #IBM not only lobbies to keep software patents, but that it also uses them against rivals http://ur1.ca/tnf1 #swpat | Apr 06 10:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM threatening Open Source company TurboHercules with no less then 173 software patents: http://ur1.ca/tnf3 | Apr 06 10:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM Uses Software Patents Aggressively | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.48 KB | Apr 06 10:06 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: .[ZooBaB].: IBM TurboHercules Patent Threat Letter .::. Size~: 47.63 KB | Apr 06 10:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] You may not be prepared for the intensity of your own feelings... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 06 10:11 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: can you get the PDF? | Apr 06 10:15 |
| schestowitz | It needs registration | Apr 06 10:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab thanks. I'll add a link to DM | Apr 06 10:17 | |
| satipera | Does anyone know if and when the digital economy bill is likely to receive assent now the election has been called? | Apr 06 10:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM Uses Software Patents Aggressively, like Microsoft is doing against Linux: http://ur1.ca/tnf1 | Apr 06 10:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM Uses Software Patents Aggressively | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.63 KB | Apr 06 10:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The patent office should create a pool of software programmers and keep a database of their related skills: http://i5.be/aHz | Apr 06 10:31 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Could You Save Software Patents With A Special Team Of 'Obviousness' Developers? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 77.2 KB | Apr 06 10:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Why most of NGU/Linux use OpenOffice.org when we have OxygenOffice http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/ooop/wiki ? #odf #question | Apr 06 10:32 | |
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| satipera | I am not even sure it can be, does anyone know? | Apr 06 10:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Wikileaks reveals video of US air strike against iraqi civilians: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/05/wikileaks-us-army-iraq-attack | Apr 06 10:33 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Wikileaks reveals video showing US air crew shooting down Iraqi civilians |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 71.41 KB | Apr 06 10:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Why most of GNU/Linux use OpenOffice.org when we have OxygenOffice http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/ooop/wiki ? #odf #question #office | Apr 06 10:33 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: OxygenOffice Professional - free and multilingual office suite .::. Size~: 24.9 KB | Apr 06 10:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #swpat Is IBM deciding to show how useless are patent promises by suing? http://tr.im/UFHG Is this true? | Apr 06 10:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: IBM Uses Software Patents Aggressively, like Microsoft is doing against Linux: http://ur1.ca/tnf1 | Apr 06 10:37 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: FOSS Patents: IBM breaks the taboo and betrays its promise to the FOSS community .::. Size~: 69.01 KB | Apr 06 10:37 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM Uses Software Patents Aggressively | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.63 KB | Apr 06 10:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] How the NZ Patent Office will make the definitive distinction between embedded and other types of software? http://ur1.ca/tnl3 | Apr 06 10:39 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: The IPKat - IP news, views and mews: NZ patent reform proposals: good news for open sourcers, generics .::. Size~: 144.17 KB | Apr 06 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i love when you talk about various things that microsoft is failing in. (i'm kind of skeptical, but i wouldn't mind!)" http://identi.ca/conversation/27424966#notice-27457952 | Apr 06 10:42 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 06 10:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @RuiSeabra I was looking for a copy of this letter for a while already | Apr 06 10:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid Why most of GNU/Linux use OpenOffice.org when we have OxygenOffice http://ur1.ca/tno2 ? #odf #question #office | Apr 06 10:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: OxygenOffice Professional - free and multilingual office suite .::. Size~: 24.9 KB | Apr 06 10:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @zoobab well, if IBM (who so many think it looks so nice and cozy to Free Software) does this, than what would one expect of Microsoft :) | Apr 06 10:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Heise: IBM threatens open source mainframe emulator with software patents http://ur1.ca/tnr9 weak title | Apr 06 10:52 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM uses pledged patents against open source mainframe emulator - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.1 KB | Apr 06 10:52 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: is Florian reliable? | Apr 06 10:57 |
| schestowitz | After the mysql thing? | Apr 06 10:57 |
| zoobab | at least the letter is reliable | Apr 06 10:59 |
| zoobab | IBM is saying TurboHercules is paied by Microsoft | Apr 06 11:00 |
| zoobab | but the letter is pretty clear | Apr 06 11:00 |
| zoobab | I think it makes now clear where IBM stands on software patents | Apr 06 11:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter Ive emailed you..Im at work today until late but I will try to speak with you sometime during the day...if not, tonight. | Apr 06 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: yes, that's what I thought... just looking at the letter in isolation | Apr 06 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Why did they mail FFII? | Apr 06 11:05 |
| schestowitz | Looking for sympathy? | Apr 06 11:05 |
| zoobab | I called an IBM guy to find out | Apr 06 11:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Microsoft Crowd Promotes #Patent Tax on GNU/Linux, Running #GNU #Linux Only Under #Win http://ur1.ca/tnvo | Apr 06 11:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: The Microsoft Crowd Promotes Patent Tax on GNU/Linux, Running GNU/Linux Only Under Windows | Techrights .::. Size~: 86.99 KB | Apr 06 11:06 |
| zoobab | IBM always saw software patents as an insurance as a competitive advantage | Apr 06 11:07 |
| zoobab | IBM always saw software patents as an insurance as a competitive advantage for the Linux market | Apr 06 11:07 |
| zoobab | something small firms cannot offer | Apr 06 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, "insurance" | Apr 06 11:07 |
| schestowitz | "We don't use software patents.... but we might one day..." | Apr 06 11:07 |
| schestowitz | "I won't shoot anyone, but I keep a gun in my dresser" | Apr 06 11:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] .oO( not at all valuable ) | Apr 06 11:17 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm working on another paint job for our mayor | Apr 06 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Not literally, right? | Apr 06 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Singing I love trash while I work on it | Apr 06 11:20 |
| schestowitz | That's at least valuable job | Apr 06 11:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australian shops are unable to process payments because the whole system runs #Windows http://ur1.ca/tnyv #dst #fail | Apr 06 11:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Microsoft Windows = Daylight Savings Shutdown | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.04 KB | Apr 06 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Better than being a lawyer or banker | Apr 06 11:22 |
| schestowitz | I had a chat with a friend the other day. He claims farmers do the most valuable service, I say "construction" | Apr 06 11:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | neither | Apr 06 11:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its clearly politicans | Apr 06 11:25 |
| *Diablo-D3 runs | Apr 06 11:25 | |
| schestowitz | Mediators of law | Apr 06 11:27 |
| schestowitz | The lead developer of Wolvix is painting | Apr 06 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4167/updikecan2.png | Apr 06 11:31 |
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| DaemonFC | going to touch it up some more | Apr 06 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | but that's what I have so far | Apr 06 11:31 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4167/updikecan2.png | Apr 06 11:38 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: heh. the goatie | Apr 06 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Apr 06 11:44 |
| schestowitz | *gaotee | Apr 06 11:45 |
| schestowitz | *oa | Apr 06 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | so now we're up to http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/4167/updikecan2.png and http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8800/updikewarrior.jpg | Apr 06 11:45 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 06 11:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM needs to understand that software patents and open source are not compatible: http://ur1.ca/to36 | Apr 06 11:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM: Open Source's Friend? Not So Much Now - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 78.09 KB | Apr 06 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I really hate that guy | Apr 06 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | excuse to learn how to use a pain program though | Apr 06 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | those are actually my first two manipulations | Apr 06 11:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: IBM needs to understand that software patents and open source are not compatible: http://ur1.ca/to36 | Apr 06 11:52 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM: Open Source's Friend? Not So Much Now - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 78.12 KB | Apr 06 11:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Eagerly expecting the new OTRS::ITSM (supposed to land by the end of March) with Change Management Process and PINK Verify certification. | Apr 06 11:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @zoobab: IBM needs to understand that software patents and open source are not compatible: http://ur1.ca/to36 | Apr 06 12:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: IBM: Open Source's Friend? Not So Much Now - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 78.09 KB | Apr 06 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Particular patents are under a GPL only pledge from IBM. schestowitz A few projects are going to get rude calls from IBM. But at least IBM allows what ever patents it thinks are in breach to be publicly talked about. | Apr 06 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://truereligiondebate.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/exposing-protestant-evangelist-and-born-again-christians-part-2-?-kill-all-jews-the-deadly-trinity-of-bible-luther-and-hitler-part-7-of-the-most-dangerous-book-on-earth-?warnin/ | Apr 06 12:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Excelente :) ♺ @GabrielfSilva: A couve de Bruxelas: http://bit.ly/aitzyz | Apr 06 12:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The battle over office suites heats up after the #OOXML BRM Convenor openly criticises #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/tod9 | Apr 06 12:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Talking about..the blacklist gives clues to ppl to go & look for it on the Internet" CluelessAussies censor @wikileaks http://bit.ly/9t9XDP | Apr 06 12:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #China "infiltrated the Indian government and also hacked into a year’s worth of the Dalai Lama’s emails" http://bit.ly/bsvZBT #windows | Apr 06 12:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@DanRebellato The person in front of me in this Post Office queue smells of off-milk. I wonder why? // he's lactating? | Apr 06 12:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft takes the next few steps in its takeover of Yahoo's business, which Bartz and Ballmer agreed to share http://ur1.ca/tofc | Apr 06 12:35 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: How Microsoft Quietly Takes Over Yahoo! Search, in Coup Détat Fashion | Techrights .::. Size~: 85 KB | Apr 06 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2372/updike1.jpg | Apr 06 12:36 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: May pin that one up too :D | Apr 06 12:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @seeds "Linux/Open Source - Open Innovation's Challenge: Letting Go Is Hard To Do" from http://ur1.ca/tkbb | Apr 06 12:38 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: people would tear that off | Apr 06 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's higher above the ground | Apr 06 12:42 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27442154#notice-27475779 "@schestowitz alex brown, miguel de icaza - seems some MSFT "defenders" are trying to "correct" their reputation. I smell more." | Apr 06 12:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way to work..... :( | Apr 06 12:58 | |
| schestowitz | @jwildeboer as a famous British comedy said, you need to get behind someone's back to stab him/her in the back. They buy street cred | Apr 06 12:59 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mainstream media refuses to cover journalist murders http://ur1.ca/tj95 #douchebags | Apr 06 13:03 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ICD Gemini uses Tegra2. 11", 2x battery vs iPad, does Flash, runs Android !Linux, under $500 http://ur1.ca/topg | Apr 06 13:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Mainstream media refuses to cover journalist murders http://ur1.ca/tj95 | Apr 06 13:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I wonder how many peeps optimistically hope a "hung parliament" involves a noose outside Westminster to "hold politicians to account"? | Apr 06 13:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Live WMV dumping of the ACTA ALDE european parliament meeting: http://media.ffii.org/ActaEpAlde100406/ | Apr 06 13:32 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: just 14mb? | Apr 06 13:32 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ogg coming? | Apr 06 13:34 |
| schestowitz | File `/home/roy/acta-alde.wmv' does not exist or has an unknown data format. | Apr 06 13:36 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: oh, I see... it's growing | Apr 06 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Make an ogg at the end, if possible (not just YouTube). I can embed as <video> and support something not tied to MPEG LALA! | Apr 06 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-06/toyota-hid-pedal-defect-in-violation-of-u-s-law-lahood-says.html | Apr 06 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | LaHood? | Apr 06 13:45 |
| schestowitz | DaHood! | Apr 06 13:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Starves Microsoft’s Sacred Cash Cows, So #Microsoft Forms Relationships With Communist China, Other Proxies http://ur1.ca/tp28 | Apr 06 13:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Erika Mann taking the floor at the ACTA ALDE meeting: http://media.ffii.org/ActaEpAlde100406/ | Apr 06 14:00 | |
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| schestowitz | TurboHerculs try to filrt with me now... | Apr 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | I should probably ignore | Apr 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: do they speak to you? | Apr 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | [11:06] <zoobab> I called an IBM guy to find out | Apr 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | They mailed you, didn't they? | Apr 06 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm..... | Apr 06 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm buying an electric bike... | Apr 06 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | I have a rotary lawnmower | Apr 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | electric motorcycle.... | Apr 06 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | next thing you know I'm going to have a pony tail and change my name to Manu | Apr 06 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I find that fascinating | Apr 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I've long wondered... | Apr 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I know other US citizens who get bokes | Apr 06 14:30 |
| zoobab | What is the Turbohercules guy doing? | Apr 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | *bikes | Apr 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | The US becomes more like Beijing | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | And the Chinese start buying out US companies | Apr 06 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Car is more of a white elephant | Apr 06 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: " | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | 0 | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | [14:26:54] Turbo Hercules: Your statement from A. Einstein is excellent | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | It's some girl's face | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Like PR....... | Apr 06 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | only really useful once or twice a month when you need to bring something home | Apr 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | The fact they appealed to FFII was susicious | Apr 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | *picious | Apr 06 14:32 |
| harrytuttle | hello everyone | Apr 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I got a copy. | Apr 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Hey, harrytuttle | Apr 06 14:32 |
| harrytuttle | i like the new name techrights | Apr 06 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, the car was eating into my budget on months where nothing went wrong | Apr 06 14:32 |
| zoobab | I just recopied the letter that was on scridb.com, because of flash dependency | Apr 06 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't think I can afford it any longer | Apr 06 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | time to buy something a bit more practical | Apr 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: Carina Oliveri | Apr 06 14:33 |
| zoobab | she is the press frontend | Apr 06 14:33 |
| zoobab | only large companies has a press frontend | Apr 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Got this minutes ago: | Apr 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "Carina Oliveri has indicated you are a person they've done business with at TurboHercules:" | Apr 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Apr 06 14:33 | |
| zoobab | ok | Apr 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I've never done business with them | Apr 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: yes, I figured that... | Apr 06 14:34 |
| schestowitz | I never speak to PR | Apr 06 14:34 |
| zoobab | the whole thing might be financed by Microsoft | Apr 06 14:34 |
| zoobab | but it does not matter, the IBM letter is real | Apr 06 14:34 |
| zoobab | the more evil it gets with software patents, the better it is | Apr 06 14:35 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: yes, exactly my thoughts | Apr 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: maybe Linus will blow over re IBM (not likely !!!) | Apr 06 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Some of the IBM resolves over patents with open source is the open source project admitting that its patented. | Apr 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | IBM refused to answer me re sw patents | Apr 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | And I know someone from IBM | Apr 06 14:36 |
| schestowitz | When I criticise sw pats he weighs in | Apr 06 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Mostly IBM wants to kill opensource as usable by other closed source companies as prior art to get out of patents. | Apr 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | About how they can be OK and how IONBM is all good | Apr 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | And they also defend the Novell deal | Apr 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | IBM uses SUSE in about 90% of mainframes | Apr 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Did in 2008 anyway... | Apr 06 14:37 |
| oiaohm | IBM add Redhat to supply in a large way after the Novell deal. | Apr 06 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should do an open letter to IBM | Apr 06 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Even that IBM does not want to be dependant on one OS supply. | Apr 06 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Apr 06 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | off topic, but I still say the Itanium thing was not a surprise | Apr 06 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | neither Microsoft nor Red Hat figure it makes enough money for them to even bother supporting | Apr 06 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | my question is why it took more than 10 years for Itanic to finally sink | Apr 06 14:39 |
| oiaohm | IE IBM actions say they did not approve 100 percent of the Novell deal. | Apr 06 14:39 |
| zoobab | a friend of mine did the s390 port | Apr 06 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Big catch here even that IBM pledged patents for use by open source. Does not say you can use them without admitting the patent exists. | Apr 06 14:40 |
| oiaohm | You do find quite a few tags in the Linux kernel referencing IBM patents. | Apr 06 14:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they should make that "Free software" | Apr 06 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also claims to be "open source" | Apr 06 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Heck, SCO claims to have done "open source" | Apr 06 14:42 |
| schestowitz | OpenServer | Apr 06 14:42 |
| schestowitz | IBM never says Free software | Apr 06 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat rarely says it, but it does sometimes | Apr 06 14:42 |
| oiaohm | IBM does rarely. | Apr 06 14:42 |
| oiaohm | About once every 3 to 4 years. | Apr 06 14:42 |
| schestowitz | "Andrew Norton (AndrewNorton1) is now following your tweets on Twitter. " | Apr 06 14:43 |
| schestowitz | For a moment I read that as "Morton" | Apr 06 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Big point here IBM wants their patents for defence. Issue here if open source become independant works and other patent destroying things IBM loses patents. | Apr 06 14:43 |
| oiaohm | So IBM will bother open source projects over non declared patents. | Apr 06 14:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM has the USPTO head | Apr 06 14:44 |
| schestowitz | They could work to kill sw pats | Apr 06 14:44 |
| schestowitz | IBM was there before most companies | Apr 06 14:44 |
| schestowitz | How far do its sw pats go? | Apr 06 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 06 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | Paint.Net is proprietary now? | Apr 06 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Use GIMP | Apr 06 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Unless you're a .NET fan from Novell.... | Apr 06 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Like Pinta's dev and Microsoft MVPicaza | Apr 06 14:46 |
| harrytuttle | what about that whole cloud/fog stuff, that gets for example added to ubuntu? where is the freedom for the user in that? | Apr 06 14:47 |
| oiaohm | harrytuttle: Really that Ubuntu has poor hardware company assocations its doing stupid things to make a crust. | Apr 06 14:48 |
| zoobab | we should write an open letter to IBM | Apr 06 14:49 |
| harrytuttle | isnt google maps, google docs, ubuntu one music store becoming more used or dependent than even propriatery programs like photoshop? i mean we just barely begin to replace those programs yet those pesky cloud apps keep becoming much more entrenched and harder to replace than those single apps | Apr 06 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | oh wow, the bank paid me 2 cents of interest on my Savings | Apr 06 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saved! | Apr 06 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 14:50 |
| harrytuttle | apple heads for the ultimate lock.-in with their stupid gagdets like ipad, using the devices only as a dead end means for their wet cloud shit | Apr 06 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Gimp is kind of temperamental on Windows | Apr 06 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | and it lags behind in development | Apr 06 14:52 |
| oiaohm | zoobab problem is we only have one side. What did TurboH request. If they requested IBM give up there patents not going to happen. I have seen quite a few projects that run into ibm problems if they offer to note down the patent usage IBM lets them go on their way. | Apr 06 14:53 |
| oiaohm | No charage. | Apr 06 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | they also lie | Apr 06 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | "GIMP requires Windows XP SP2 or newer to run." | Apr 06 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | it still runs on Windows 2000 | Apr 06 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true DaemonFC | Apr 06 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Some of the filters don't run with 2000 | Apr 06 14:54 |
| zoobab | oiaohm: "If they requested IBM give up there patents not going to happen" <- of course IBM can do it | Apr 06 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Not really zoobab | Apr 06 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | meh, I was scared that Vista would keep me on XP forever in some form | Apr 06 14:55 |
| oiaohm | IBM makes a lot of money from those patents from Intel AMD and motherboard makers zoobab | Apr 06 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically not going to happen. zoobab | Apr 06 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | I actually saw the BSOD quite often on Vista no matter what computer I was using | Apr 06 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | hit print....bsod | Apr 06 14:56 |
| zoobab | an emulator is not a motherboard | Apr 06 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | just about to save something...bsod | Apr 06 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | I had it bsod on me once when I was logging in | Apr 06 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | before I even typed in my password :) | Apr 06 14:57 |
| zoobab | whatever are the facts, some people in the OSS community will always support IBM | Apr 06 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is paraell development. Loop hole in patents. If someone develops the same methods and tech independant to you. They can void you patents. zoobab | Apr 06 14:58 |
| oiaohm | At times. | Apr 06 14:59 |
| oiaohm | This is more a legal mess from hell. zoobab | Apr 06 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Its not just enough to say o they are a emulator. | Apr 06 14:59 |
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| oiaohm | And they would not effect IBM collection of money from handware makers. | Apr 06 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact they could. | Apr 06 14:59 |
| zoobab | hardware is not software | Apr 06 15:00 |
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| zoobab | patent attorneys tries to confuse people with "hardware is patentable, hardware can be replaced by software, so software is patentable" | Apr 06 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Patents are about methods. zoobab | Apr 06 15:01 |
| schestowitz | [14:50] <DaemonFC> oh wow, the bank paid me 2 cents of interest on my Savings | Apr 06 15:02 |
| zoobab | methods for assembling words | Apr 06 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Inflation outpaces that | Apr 06 15:02 |
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| oiaohm | Emulation of existing hardware is cloning those methods. Patent system does not allow loop holing that way. Ie someone makes hardware you clone there hardware product using software you are still screwed. | Apr 06 15:03 |
| oiaohm | The reason why apples font patents apply everywhere. | Apr 06 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Apple created them in hardware first. | Apr 06 15:03 |
| schestowitz | method for cutting off toilet paper.... | Apr 06 15:03 |
| zoobab | Patent system does not allow loop holing that way: sure it does | Apr 06 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why CCTV is now being installed in UK WCs | Apr 06 15:04 |
| oiaohm | No it does not. zoobab | Apr 06 15:04 |
| zoobab | producing hardware is not similar to write code | Apr 06 15:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6368227.html | Apr 06 15:04 |
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| zoobab | "a + b" becomes patentable subject matter | Apr 06 15:04 |
| zoobab | it passes Filter n1: the subject matter filter | Apr 06 15:04 |
| zoobab | Filter n2 is obviousness | Apr 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | All court cases world wide over it zoobab say using software to by pass a hardware patent using the same method as the hardware was doing. Does not work. | Apr 06 15:05 |
| zoobab | read Gemstar in the UK | Apr 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Now if the software is using a minorally different method. | Apr 06 15:05 |
| zoobab | "All court cases" | Apr 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Like Gemstar | Apr 06 15:05 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | It does not apply. | Apr 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | It only has to be minorally different zoobab | Apr 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Gemstar had enough minor differences to save them. | Apr 06 15:06 |
| zoobab | it is not the same, you don't need to deal with production of matter | Apr 06 15:06 |
| zoobab | oiaohm: I hope you are not a patent attorney | Apr 06 15:06 |
| oiaohm | The patents on hardware decribe the method not the silcon. | Apr 06 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Read the apple font cases in many different countries. zoobab | Apr 06 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Against many different parties. | Apr 06 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Even in places like the UK. | Apr 06 15:07 |
| zoobab | url? | Apr 06 15:08 |
| zoobab | a method for making calculations | Apr 06 15:09 |
| zoobab | a+b | Apr 06 15:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.freetype.org/patents.html | Apr 06 15:09 |
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| zoobab | sure I know this page | Apr 06 15:09 |
| zoobab | it is pretty old | Apr 06 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Yes its old. | Apr 06 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not the only case either zoobab | Apr 06 15:10 |
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| zoobab | where is the court case about the fonts? | Apr 06 15:11 |
| oiaohm | I am trying to remember the embeded maker who decided they were not going to pay. | Apr 06 15:12 |
| oiaohm | They did in the end because the defense that it was only done in software. Does not hold. | Apr 06 15:12 |
| oiaohm | The software patent thing really only comes into effect if the item was done in software first. | Apr 06 15:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hutty of EuroISPA: "fundamental rights of Internet Service Providers" I didn't know companies had fundamental rights | Apr 06 15:19 | |
| DaemonFC | Hulu ads are getting longer :P | Apr 06 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Gemstar case is they patented electronic program guides. Everyone implemented their own versions. Using none of Gemstars methods. So guess what. Gemstars patents are worth squat. Software patents or not. Parrall devepment is a bitch for patents. | Apr 06 15:25 |
| oiaohm | You don't have to find much that a patent does not apply. zoobab | Apr 06 15:26 |
| zoobab | UK judge invalidated the patent | Apr 06 15:32 |
| zoobab | saying software is not patentable subject matter | Apr 06 15:33 |
| zoobab | end of story | Apr 06 15:33 |
| zoobab | programmers don't have to bother trying to understand broad patent claims | Apr 06 15:33 |
| zoobab | programmers write whatever they want | Apr 06 15:33 |
| zoobab | there is no limit to freedom of expression and freedom of execution | Apr 06 15:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] A huge resource for indic font conversion many things , Scientific and Technical Hindi #hindi http://bit.ly/co2TKs | Apr 06 15:39 | |
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| oiaohm | zoobab: problem gemstar case the patent was invalid. Gemstar patents were created as software. | Apr 06 15:45 |
| oiaohm | zoobab: You are not using a case covering existing as hardware then being emulated. | Apr 06 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes law is that picky on if a ruling applies or not. zoobab | Apr 06 15:46 |
| oiaohm | All cases so far covering hardware existing first than emulated has held for the patent holder on the hardware. | Apr 06 15:47 |
| zoobab | you mean FPGA? | Apr 06 15:48 |
| zoobab | ASIC chips are usually developed that way | Apr 06 15:48 |
| zoobab | most hardware makers do it first on FPGA, because it is too costly to deal with forces of nature | Apr 06 15:49 |
| oiaohm | FPGA are an advanced form of a bread board. | Apr 06 15:49 |
| zoobab | I have just ordered a Xilinx one | Apr 06 15:50 |
| oiaohm | So in theory a circuit created on a FPGA could be patented. But the switch FPGA configuing instructions sent to the FPGA could not be. | Apr 06 15:51 |
| zoobab | it is software | Apr 06 15:51 |
| zoobab | software are instructions you give to a machine | Apr 06 15:52 |
| oiaohm | No FPGA is not software as such. | Apr 06 15:52 |
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| oiaohm | Its that nice halfway between zoobab | Apr 06 15:52 |
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| zoobab | there is no halfway | Apr 06 15:54 |
| oiaohm | FPGA create a real circuit. | Apr 06 15:54 |
| zoobab | people trying to create muddy waters between software and hardware are incompetents | Apr 06 15:54 |
| oiaohm | From the programming instructions. zoobab | Apr 06 15:54 |
| oiaohm | You are programing switchs to create a circuit | Apr 06 15:55 |
| oiaohm | This is why its half way. | Apr 06 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Half is software. Half is hardware. | Apr 06 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Setting the switch is software. | Apr 06 15:55 |
| oiaohm | The resulting circuit is hardware. | Apr 06 15:55 |
| oiaohm | And the software that sets the switches cannot function like the resulting hardware circuit. | Apr 06 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Can you now see the halfway state FPGA are. zoobab | Apr 06 15:57 |
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| Diablo-D3 | that should be useful fodder | Apr 06 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people try to use FPGA to extend the reach of what software is past what it really is. | Apr 06 16:00 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have never used a bread board putting in wire jumpers to create a circuit. zoobab . What FPGA do is basically the same thing as the jumpers just computer controlled. | Apr 06 16:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament legal service: "ACTA like SWIFT" #acta | Apr 06 16:05 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | FPGA is nifty as fuck | Apr 06 16:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its only good for dev | Apr 06 16:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2010/04/parallels-joins-linux-foundation | Apr 06 16:16 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/node/6118 | Apr 06 16:16 |
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| oiaohm | Interesting news | Apr 06 16:17 |
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| amarsh04 | enterasys used xilinix fpgas in production switches/routers | Apr 06 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | "A man in a can with a plan." | Apr 06 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | nice name suggestion that I was given for that picture | Apr 06 16:38 |
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| DaemonFC | "I think of it as Steve's Top Secret Command Bunker, and he only has to come out once every two or three weeks. It's where he goes to contemplate the litany of problems that Huntington is in. I also hear he has the Huntington County GOP meet in there. :) And I think I'll call it "A man in the can formulating a plan". "the can" lets there be a duality there. :)" | Apr 06 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | -me | Apr 06 16:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq: Marketing Or Madness - http://is.gd/bhgrY #shotofjaq | Apr 06 16:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] But what if they're bought by someone who doesn't care? | Apr 06 16:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] My TurboHercules page just got slashdotted, the title is wrong, "IBM threatening open source company with 137 patents": http://i5.be/aHN | Apr 06 16:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @RuiSeabra @jwildeboer Redhat patent promise says Redhat won't sue open source developers. | Apr 06 17:17 | |
| DaemonFC | http://browsei.com/upload/Pictures/storage/why-so-serious-cats-funny-batman_big.jpg | Apr 06 17:17 |
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| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: WOAH WTF | Apr 06 17:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was just thinking about that movie | Apr 06 17:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @zoobab yeah, so opensource businesses can be sued ;) | Apr 06 17:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I hope you had a nice and safe trip! :) | Apr 06 17:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] TO Jairam Ramesh - through TV, mobile and all foreign items too http://bit.ly/dcKP0R #fail | Apr 06 17:21 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 06 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Why does our mayor have to have a turkey neck? | Apr 06 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | makes working on pictures so hard | Apr 06 17:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] MS is a liar company, so that's nothing new. RT@EverythingMS EU browser ballot sometimes hidden by IE wizard http://bit.ly/bBEhcU | Apr 06 17:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm doing another one :P | Apr 06 17:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oh, wat een verassing. Microsoft kan haar eigen OOXML "standaard" zelf niet in Office 2010 implementeren: http://tinyurl.com/y9l5eod | Apr 06 17:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Volg de "discussie" zelf niet meer. Heb me uitgeschreven op Webwereld. Wordt nu gedomineerd door Microsoft $hills. Pik het niet langer! | Apr 06 17:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Hutty of EuroISPA: "fundamental rights of Internet Service Providers" I didn't know companies had fundamental rights >they don't | Apr 06 17:54 | |
| DaemonFC | I found an old World War II propaganda poster | Apr 06 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'm adding our mayor to it | Apr 06 18:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] "hAlbert" (tegenwoordig "Blieb") zal wel weer overuren moeten gaan draaien vandaag :-) | Apr 06 18:01 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2566/takedayoffupdike.jpg | Apr 06 18:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s ‘American EDGI’ Comes to #Massachusetts and #Nevada After New York Deal http://ur1.ca/tqev #fsf | Apr 06 18:18 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://identi.ca/conversation/27476152#notice-27509904 "@schestowitz they have an inalienable right to screw everyone else out of theirs, you didn't know?" | Apr 06 18:19 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're morbidly obsessed with that man | Apr 06 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I know | Apr 06 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | more so than Ballmer even | Apr 06 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | like the poster though? | Apr 06 18:20 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 06 18:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #WTF uma televisão exigir o formato Betacam Digital para enviar um vídeo para produção, e com montes de considerandos arcaicos *sigh* | Apr 06 18:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Hey! You are the last man on earth that can talk about "Patent infingement"! @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 18:47 | |
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| cubezzz | wow, 4 gigs of ram is only $90 | Apr 06 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-digg-ceo-adelson-resigns/ | Apr 06 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: what did MS MVP boy say? | Apr 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | he's in the anti-IBM fold | Apr 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Like most MSFT peple | Apr 06 19:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, "It is all fun and games, until IBM sues your open source project for patent infringement: http://bit.ly/czEYvR" | Apr 06 19:20 |
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| Omar87 | That's what he said. | Apr 06 19:20 |
| MinceR | "that's what she said!" | Apr 06 19:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah I saw that | Apr 06 19:21 |
| Omar87 | MinceR, lol :) | Apr 06 19:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: By the way, "MVP" == "Most Valuable Hypocrite" | Apr 06 19:22 |
| *amarsh04 remembers when 1 Meg of ram was $90 | Apr 06 19:23 | |
| cubezzz | ha | Apr 06 19:23 |
| cubezzz | I remember selling 64Kx1 DRAM :) | Apr 06 19:24 |
| cubezzz | can't remember how much though | Apr 06 19:24 |
| cubezzz | I think the AMiga 1000 and c64 used it | Apr 06 19:24 |
| amarsh04 | but then again, I remember sharing a vax with 25 others and 1.25 Meg of ram | Apr 06 19:25 |
| cubezzz | it's a shame that computers are considered so disposable | Apr 06 19:26 |
| cubezzz | but I guess if something is 1000 times faster and it's cheaper, you're going to use the new one | Apr 06 19:26 |
| cubezzz | we have a computer museum in Brantford which is pretty interesting | Apr 06 19:27 |
| scientes | what is the best floss wiki engine? | Apr 06 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: It is all fun and games, until Microsoft sues TomTom project for patent infringement: | Apr 06 19:28 |
| cubezzz | all this suing is in the US I take it? | Apr 06 19:28 |
| scientes | this one is really cool, but its not secure: http://git.awiki.org/Home | Apr 06 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: It is all fun and games, until Microsoft pays you to promote Microsoft APIs and call Jeremy Allison "conpiracy theorist" | Apr 06 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | no idea what the difference is with a wiki engine and a wiki app, but I like dokuwiki | Apr 06 19:29 |
| cubezzz | I get a lot of idiots spamming drupal | Apr 06 19:30 |
| cubezzz | it's a pain | Apr 06 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | cubezzz: what antispam modules are you using? | Apr 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Miguel's buddy is still promoting Microsoft | Apr 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | 'Midori' concepts materialize in .NET http://www.sdtimes.com/link/34251 | Apr 06 19:31 |
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| cubezzz | ThistleWeb, just some filtering | Apr 06 19:31 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh, I found mollom works rather well | Apr 06 19:31 |
| cubezzz | and me deleting stuff :) | Apr 06 19:31 |
| cubezzz | I got this weird urge to buy an Amiga | Apr 06 19:32 |
| cubezzz | I was going to find a Sparc but.... | Apr 06 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it kinda learns to detect possible spam the more you use it, if it thinks it's spam it provides a captcha, if it thinks it;s genuine it does not | Apr 06 19:32 |
| cubezzz | Amiga might be better documented for programming | Apr 06 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | crowd sourcing spam | Apr 06 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: : Jordanian Mayor Angry Over "Alien Invasion" Prank http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8604122.stm | Apr 06 19:33 |
| cubezzz | ThistleWeb, yeah I really should have a captcha for registering | Apr 06 19:33 |
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| ThistleWeb | mollom is a dries bytart project | Apr 06 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | it's one of the inner drupal family of modules | Apr 06 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: can I use that older logo (the second you sent)? | Apr 06 19:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I wouldnt be surprised to see it in core eventually | Apr 06 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | along with cck and views | Apr 06 19:34 |
| cubezzz | I never completely mastered the Amiga, that's part of the reason I feel like going back to it | Apr 06 19:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @cracked 5 Works of Legitimate Mad Science Passed Off as Art: http://bit.ly/dwweKD <-- HOLY CRAP | Apr 06 19:35 | |
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| cubezzz | but I'm not too sure about the 3000 and 4000 | Apr 06 19:37 |
| cubezzz | was it documented as well as the earlier models? | Apr 06 19:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://timothyblee.com/2010/04/05/the-debate-over-pizzaright-reform/ | Apr 06 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.handlewithlinux.com/toughest-linux-box-ever | Apr 06 19:43 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Toughest Linux box ever, cool! | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 30.6 KB | Apr 06 19:43 |
| cubezzz | ok, I guess it's a 3000 or a 4000 then, the documentation is around | Apr 06 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.getpaint.net/2009/11/06/a-new-license-for-paintnet-v35/ | Apr 06 19:44 |
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| DaemonFC | "Over the years I?ve had to put up with several individuals, and companies, trying to plagiarize Paint.NET by recompiling the program under a different product name and with their own name stamped into the credits. Sometimes they charge money for it." | Apr 06 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't the MIT X11 license allow that? | Apr 06 19:44 |
| *DaemonFC scratches head at how someone could "plagiarize" software with almost no restrictions on use or distribution | Apr 06 19:45 | |
| cubezzz | that's really low | Apr 06 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, their source was never open, it was "released" | Apr 06 19:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@stellacreasy So what are you personally going to do to stop the #DEbill? I hope I don't have to go out campaigning against you | Apr 06 19:46 | |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, in a lot of ways Amiga was the ultimate hackers machine | Apr 06 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of code snippets they took were X11 license | Apr 06 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't that make them guilty? | Apr 06 19:46 |
| cubezzz | I think I'll have to buy one | Apr 06 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Joke is on them anyway | Apr 06 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | you can't really hide your source code when using .NET | Apr 06 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/judging-dollars | Apr 06 19:48 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: check out the Palin phoeo | Apr 06 19:48 |
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| dyfet | What is one to make of this particular story from MS-BBC and the way it was chosen to be put together? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8604912.stm | Apr 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | hey, dyfet | Apr 06 19:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ wikileaks Facebook.com has blocked outgoing links to collateralmurder dot org (but not as yet,.com) | Apr 06 19:49 | |
| dyfet | Hi there :) | Apr 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | "It is Linux-based but is heavily influenced by Microsoft with versions of the software giant's Office programmes, including several familiar games. " | Apr 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | GUI-wise, yes | Apr 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | KDE-based | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | With customisation | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | I think they use kde3 | Apr 06 19:50 |
| dyfet | Well, I note how at the end they talk about "open source", linux, and North Korean cyberwar against the U.S. | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: watch the photo | Apr 06 19:50 |
| dyfet | all tied together | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Typical Western propaanda | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | The Koreans watch YOU! | Apr 06 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Even without the source code, a clever and skilled person could probably still decompile, modify, and recompile the program to say or do whatever they wanted it to." | Apr 06 19:50 |
| dyfet | thats why I found it interesting to note here... | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | dyfet: yes, MSBBC | Apr 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Nationalist | Apr 06 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | just like CDBurnerXP guys released a total of about 100 lines of code to brand themselves "open source" | Apr 06 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | but you can decompile pretty much all the rest to the original VB.NET | Apr 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: be afraid. | Apr 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | They have nukes.... and LINUX!!!!!1 argh!! | Apr 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Developed by a chap from Russia BTW | Apr 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Must be communism then :-)D | Apr 06 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | "The biggest problem was that, even though these were clearly unethical and deplorable actions, the MIT License permitted all of it." | Apr 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | It's thee Them{Tm}OS | Apr 06 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | And who chose the MIT license? | Apr 06 19:52 |
| dyfet | Well, I think the russian guy is simply a person who reported on it | Apr 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Ah..I think he helped develop it | Apr 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe related to altlinux | Apr 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | "Some people have stated that I chose the wrong license, and in hindsight this is definitely partially true." | Apr 06 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | translaton: "WaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhH!!!!!!!" | Apr 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't care about them | Apr 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | They help Microsoft | Apr 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Let them get wankered | Apr 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | With their BSD-type licences and dot not | Apr 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1599638/microsoft-chrome-disrespects-users-privacy | Apr 06 19:54 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Microsoft says chrome disrespects users' privacy - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 81.98 KB | Apr 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | chrome says Microsoft disrespects users' privacy - The Inquirer | Apr 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Go t the toolbar/search bar in chrome and search for "Microsoft disrespects users' privacy " | Apr 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://boycottnovell.com | Apr 06 19:55 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Site report for boycottnovell.com .::. Size~: 9.95 KB | Apr 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Site rank2169th | Apr 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I remember when BN was around 1800th | Apr 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | And soon we migrate to another domain... | Apr 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: are you awake? | Apr 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Bush-authored warrantless wiretapping suffers abrupt defeat | Apr 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/02/warantless_wiretapping_defeat/ | Apr 06 19:57 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Bush-authored warrantless wiretapping suffers abrupt defeat • The Register .::. Size~: 38.75 KB | Apr 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Obama passes similar laws | Apr 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Then they 'export' these to Britland | Apr 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | grr.... | Apr 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | "I expect there will be a very vocal minority that will condemn this license change."..." I?d liken it to being upset that your passport disallowed traveling to Antarctica ? were you really planning to do that in the first place?* | Apr 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's his view on free software right there | Apr 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is US-based too | Apr 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Obama LOVES it | Apr 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | ANd BIDEN.... oh!!! Does he love ACTA | Apr 06 19:58 |
| MinceR | Omar87: Most Valuable Propagandist? | Apr 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: his program is irrelevant to many of us | Apr 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I think Pinta uses some of it | Apr 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Cause it was developed quickly by the same guy who ported paintDotNot to Linux | Apr 06 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100402/1216068849.shtml | Apr 06 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.workswithu.com/2010/04/05/ubuntu-canonical-focuses-on-wall-street/ | Apr 06 20:02 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Ubuntu: Canonical Focuses on Wall Street | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 40.28 KB | Apr 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Notice how he always promotes Novell and Ubuntu | Apr 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Novell probably paid him so sit on that panek | Apr 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | He only ever downplays RHT | Apr 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Associating UBuntu with Wall Street | Apr 06 20:03 |
| schestowitz | That's just ugly | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | FraudStreet represents corruption | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | You don't want to associate GNU/Linux with that | Apr 06 20:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: DE Bill voting tomorrow, fix in today. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/33461.html <-- a call to action | Apr 06 20:04 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: reddragdiva | DE Bill voting tomorrow, fix in today. .::. Size~: 26.94 KB | Apr 06 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Then, again there's greed in the company's COO posiiton now... a man who's wary of MinceR | Apr 06 20:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] So, who's going to be signing up as a Pirate Party candidate? | Apr 06 20:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard DW: DE Bill voting tomorrow, fix in today. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/33461.html <-- a call to action | Apr 06 20:05 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: reddragdiva | DE Bill voting tomorrow, fix in today. .::. Size~: 26.94 KB | Apr 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Pinta uses a bunch of Paint.NET | Apr 06 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | interesting to see where Pinta goes now that updated Paint.NET source will not be a possibility | Apr 06 20:06 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Apr 06 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | We're soon moving to techrights.org :-) | Apr 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Just waiting for our benevolent admin | Apr 06 20:09 |
| scientes | what about the irc channel? | Apr 06 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://contexts.org/socimages/files/2008/09/781.jpg | Apr 06 20:12 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They managed to make Hitler into an emo :P | Apr 06 20:12 |
| MinceR | solution: put razor wire on the empty seats so hitler can't sit on them. | Apr 06 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I knew I liked you for a reason :) | Apr 06 20:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 06 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: But wouldn't Emo Hitler want to cut himself? I can't have Emo Hitler bleed all over my car! | Apr 06 20:15 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 06 20:15 |
| MinceR | maybe he lost the war because he cut himself? | Apr 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0405/tea-party-leader-obama-muslim-shoes/ | Apr 06 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there's this religious encyclopedia... | Apr 06 20:16 |
| schestowitz | In the page on "Evolution" they put Hitler screaming | Apr 06 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | Emo Hitler got all depressed over the Syphilis he picked up in the restroom at that rave and cut himself all over the razor wire you told me to leave in the empty seats of my car! Dammit MinceR!!! | Apr 06 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | YOU are paying for the shampooing, and better damned well hope this comes out! :P | Apr 06 20:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/audio/skeptoid-4120.mp3 | Apr 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4120 | Apr 06 20:17 |
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| phIRCe-BNcom | Hello World! | Apr 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | That crashed the bot (mp3) | Apr 06 20:18 |
| *MinceR thinks phIRCe-BNcom's quitreason should be "Farewell, cruel world!" | Apr 06 20:18 | |
| schestowitz | trmancode can mend it | Apr 06 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I don't know the JSON code that does all this | Apr 06 20:19 |
| schestowitz | let me sort of the google thing | Apr 06 20:19 |
| schestowitz | !google see it crash | Apr 06 20:19 |
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| MinceR | :D | Apr 06 20:20 |
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| phIRCe-BNcom | Hello World! | Apr 06 20:21 |
| schestowitz | !google ddd | Apr 06 20:21 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 06 20:21 |
| MinceR | Data Display Debugger? | Apr 06 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: na.. just got there with vi and changed some code | Apr 06 20:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @trmanco is phIRCe having future release? We anticipate.... and thank you for the work... | Apr 06 20:23 | |
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| Aurium | hi all, i want to show a article on boycottnovell to a friend but i can't find it. | Apr 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | UNIX beard. SCO Group: Die Hard 17 | Apr 06 20:25 |
| Aurium | Was about a Apple pattent | Apr 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | There are many | Apr 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com++Apple+pattent&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Apr 06 20:25 |
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| Aurium | was used agains a andrid aplication that only shows the user location on the screen | Apr 06 20:26 |
| Aurium | schestowitz, i try the google. i can't find! Tooooo mutch! | Apr 06 20:26 |
| Aurium | You remember that i'm serching for? | Apr 06 20:27 |
| schestowitz | User location? | Apr 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I can think of call ID location | Apr 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Android app was killed that way | Apr 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/01/cequint-parasites-kill-city-caller-id/ | Apr 06 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | Lins*** boyz made this: http://www.petitiononline.com/system76/petition.html | Apr 06 20:35 |
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| Aurium | thanks schestowitz! :-) | Apr 06 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/post-for-huntington-indiana-residents-concerned-with-trash-pickup/ | Apr 06 20:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hurrah for Neil Gerrard using a broken 'theft' analogy. #debill | Apr 06 20:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I wonder what fellow Free Software Enthusiast think about the integrity of "Open Source Activist", who join a "MS Feet on the table" session | Apr 06 20:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | per me | Apr 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.neurosoftware.ro/finance/insurance/deals/is-apple-the-next-goldman-sachs/ | Apr 06 20:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] "Feet on the Table" sessions are organized from time to time at the Dutch Microsoft HQ by MS TE Ruud de Jonge. | Apr 06 20:48 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, schestowitz | Apr 06 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Canada had internment camps for Japanese-Canadians? | Apr 06 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | I must remember this the next time Ender2070 feels like harping | Apr 06 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@stellacreasy Neil just pulled the "Would you steal a car?" argument. Nice one. | Apr 06 20:53 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgBATrZcKGg | Apr 06 20:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Secret Services intimidate @Wikileaks over report http://techdirt.com/articles/20100405/1857418890.shtml | Apr 06 21:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting blog post in part in reaction to something we said on @uupc http://bit.ly/bP2JfU "Why This Apple Fanboyism Really Hacks Me Off" | Apr 06 21:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst I wonder what fellow FOSS Enthusiast think about the integrity of "Open Source Activist", who join a "MS Feet on the table" | Apr 06 21:04 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: "Investment in an eight-year software patent prosecution is beginning to pay dividends for Sterling Heights-based Clinecta LLC, which reports ..." https://home.crainsdetroit.com/clickshare/authenticateUserSubscription.do?CSProduct=crainsdetroit-premium&CSAuthReq=1:173386857215007:AID|IDAID=20100404/SUB01/304049980|ID=:B7C8A40FF06DB2201AC9285B9713EB9D&AID=20100404/SUB01/304049980&title=Clinecta%20earns%20while%20others%20learn& | Apr 06 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-31021_3-20001747-260.html | Apr 06 21:10 |
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| SubsonicB | hi there BN crew! | Apr 06 21:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Finally changed the grub & spash screen in ubuntu 9.10 using http://bit.ly/9hzv1t & http://bit.ly/cvNeQM #schoolos | Apr 06 21:13 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, ping! | Apr 06 21:15 |
| Omar87 | Are you there? | Apr 06 21:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, listen to the *real* manners of the MS MVP Boy. | Apr 06 21:16 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, [ migueldeicaza: @Omar_S_Hafez Oh yeah, how so? Have I ever threatened anyone with patent infringement? Or you are talking out of your ass? ] | Apr 06 21:16 |
| Omar87 | Guys! This is Meguel de Icaza! The impolite street kid who is now an "MVP" of MS!! | Apr 06 21:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I swear to God, I will take care of this scoundrel! | Apr 06 21:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] FOSS enthusiasts have pride and dignity, we oppose against Microsoft's bribery! | Apr 06 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | U.S. jobs up, but not in tech http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/SIS-chip-study-and-Bureau-of-Labor-Statistics-report/?kc=rss | Apr 06 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, SubsonicB | Apr 06 21:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst FOSS enthusiasts have pride and dignity, we oppose against Microsoft's bribery! | Apr 06 21:22 | |
| SubsonicB | hey! whats up with PJ attacking Florian Mueller over IBM mainframe emulator? | Apr 06 21:25 |
| SubsonicB | this Hercules thing... someone suggest Microsoft is involved... it is hard to believe for me | Apr 06 21:27 |
| SubsonicB | AFAIK Florian has always consistently fought against software patents and legal colonisation via sw. patents of IT in Europe | Apr 06 21:28 |
| SubsonicB | there is something strange going on with PJ that I dont understand since the Oracle - Sun takeover | Apr 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | SubsonicB: where is she attacking? | Apr 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | PJ likes IBM and is an Apple apologist in some ways | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | But she's a friend, so I would not give her flak over it | Apr 06 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | [21:27] <SubsonicB> this Hercules thing... someone suggest Microsoft is involved... it is hard to believe for me | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I heard that too | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | It might be true | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | The Hercules people are trying to get in touch with me, I avoid them | Apr 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <SubsonicB> there is something strange going on with PJ that I dont understand since the Oracle - Sun takeover | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | pls elaborate | Apr 06 21:31 |
| SubsonicB | here...newspicks # IBM: Mainframe emulator part of a conspiracy | Apr 06 21:31 |
| SubsonicB | # Tuesday, April 06 2010 @ 11:04 AM EDT | Apr 06 21:31 |
| SubsonicB | is in newspicks | Apr 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | See comments here... http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-05-009-35-OP-GN ahaha | Apr 06 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | SubsonicB: not far fetched | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | My sources say Hercules is funded by Microsoft | Apr 06 21:32 |
| SubsonicB | now Florian Mueller, who disrupted the Munich switch to Linux and later famously tried to use MySQL's license as a way to block the Oracle-Sun deal, including them suggesting that the GPL license be tossed overboard in favor of a BSD-like license, now appears in the TurboHercules story, attacking IBM | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | No proof I was provided though | Apr 06 21:32 |
| SubsonicB | its PJs words | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Notice that I mentioned it this morning | Apr 06 21:32 |
| cubezzz | wow, this guy goes even farther back than amiga, he uses a c128 | Apr 06 21:32 |
| SubsonicB | I though it was Monty the one that made a mistake by suggesting MySQL to change license | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Apr 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Monty joined him | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Sidekick | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Florian I mean | Apr 06 21:33 |
| SubsonicB | ok i was quite involved back in the days of the sw patents fight in 2005 in europe | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6202 | Apr 06 21:33 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Florian Mueller finds a new windmill to attack in IBM | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 75.91 KB | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Fresh off his humiliating defeat at the hands of Oracle, Florian Mueller is now tilting at IBM, accusing it of open source treason for trying to enforce a monopoly it won before he was born. | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The question is just how much IBM credibility might be lost as a result of TurboHercules. Mueller wants to make certain it’s a lot. | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Fresh off his humiliating defeat at the hands of Oracle, Florian Mueller is now tilting at IBM, accusing it of open source treason for trying to enforce a monopoly it won before he was born. | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Apr 06 21:33 |
| SubsonicB | and i know Florian did a very good job to avoid sw patetns becoming legal in the EU | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The question is just how much IBM credibility might be lost as a result of TurboHercules. Mueller wants to make certain it’s a lot. | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 06 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | zoobab doesn't trust him either | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Pilch is reliable | Apr 06 21:34 |
| SubsonicB | as far as I see no one for Free Software can trust big corporations, at some point all of them become the same either IBM, Microsoft or Oracle | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Novell and Apple too | Apr 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Red hat still collects sw pats | Apr 06 21:35 |
| SubsonicB | yes I forgot the, | Apr 06 21:35 |
| SubsonicB | them | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Stick with the developers | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Not the MBAs | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | with the departments of lawyers | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Google was spoiled too | Apr 06 21:35 |
| SubsonicB | software patents only benefit big corps and the litigation industry | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I saw videos from Google | Apr 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They now have a legal team salivating over sw pats | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | SubsonicB: or trolls | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | overlapping lawyers | Apr 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | IBM x-licensed with the Vole :-) | Apr 06 21:36 |
| SubsonicB | As I see it Florian is being consistent against software patents, but I might be losing something as I have not been very aware of the whole Oracle - Sun issue | Apr 06 21:36 |
| SubsonicB | trolls are part of the litigation industry... | Apr 06 21:37 |
| SubsonicB | only with other name | Apr 06 21:37 |
| SubsonicB | "IP (=imaginary property) companies" | Apr 06 21:38 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did you read what I just said? | Apr 06 21:39 |
| schestowitz | In IRC -yes | Apr 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | SubsonicB: not always | Apr 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they hire the lawyers | Apr 06 21:40 |
| SubsonicB | (Oops sorry for the off-topic and interrupting your conversation guys) | Apr 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Think of corporations of nations with a army | Apr 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | *an | Apr 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | The troll is the terrorist | Apr 06 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Crashing planes into buildings for huge damage given its size | Apr 06 21:41 |
| schestowitz | SubsonicB: no interruption at all | Apr 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I think it's Microsoft MVPs that upset Omar87 | Apr 06 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | Some Microsoft MVP cursed him | Apr 06 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | Hi | Apr 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | some manuel caza something | Apr 06 21:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, he's an MVP himself. | Apr 06 21:42 |
| cubezzz | he's totally gone over to the dark side :-/ | Apr 06 21:42 |
| Omar87 | oh, sorry, I just understood. | Apr 06 21:42 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, who's gone over to the dark side. | Apr 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | don't worry about it, Omar87 | Apr 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | I've had Microsoft TEs cuss at me | Apr 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | It shows they are losing and scccccccreamign :0D | Apr 06 21:43 |
| cubezzz | that GNOME guy, I hope I'm wrong though | Apr 06 21:44 |
| SubsonicB | I was once in a de Icaza cnference he did in spain. It was a Linux meeting back in 2000. Thats when I joined Hispalinux. | Apr 06 21:44 |
| cubezzz | Miguel de Icaza | Apr 06 21:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Trap is back \0/ http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Memory_Compaction regular postings! | Apr 06 21:44 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, I'm just gonna make a little stooge out him. | Apr 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100404145544977 | Apr 06 21:44 |
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| Omar87 | out *of* him. | Apr 06 21:45 |
| SubsonicB | back in the days it seemed a good idea to try to make an alternative to the just created .net but now i see things have gone totally off-hands for the Icaza or else he was a trojan horse (or "double agent") from the very beginning... | Apr 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: don't get us involved in it though. I don't condone being abrasive | Apr 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | There was this thing with people whom I don't know behaving rudely and then people trying to associate it with me | Apr 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: better spend the time advocating Linux | Apr 06 21:47 |
| cubezzz | yes, it's still good to be aware of what people are doing | Apr 06 21:47 |
| schestowitz | SubsonicB: 'We had some painful experiences with C and C++, and when Microsoft came out with .NET, we said, "Yes! That is what we want."' -Miguel de Icaza | Apr 06 21:48 |
| schestowitz | “At Microsoft I learned the truth about ActiveX and COM and I got very interested in it inmediately [sic].” - guess who? | Apr 06 21:48 |
| SubsonicB | yup. agree. I think the wise think is critizisig de Icaza's actions. If someone is being rude to you dont descend to his level. I like very much the-source.com style | Apr 06 21:48 |
| MinceR | so de icaza is another lamer who failed at learning c/c++ | Apr 06 21:49 |
| SubsonicB | I mean analyze the actions' and its consequences not attacking the person. | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes it needs backgroun | Apr 06 21:49 |
| cubezzz | he must know C | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | In techrights I sometimes need to show people who person X did before | Apr 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | It's informative rather than a personal attack | Apr 06 21:50 |
| SubsonicB | yes, but even back at that time (10 years ago) he was more involved with Gnome, and he had not completely turned a Microsoft fanboy (IMHO) | Apr 06 21:50 |
| SubsonicB | or at least I didn't know at the time... (maybe I was wrong) | Apr 06 21:51 |
| SubsonicB | anyway I didn't like the style of his conference and his speech... | Apr 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | wasn't his dream getting a job at m$ by then already? | Apr 06 21:51 |
| SubsonicB | probably, but i was not aware of that back then... | Apr 06 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | SubsonicB: Groklaw knew for ages | Apr 06 21:52 |
| schestowitz | In 2006 I mailed PJ about it | Apr 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Cause she was trying to show people who de Icaza was really serving | Apr 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know as much, either (4 years ago) | Apr 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | de Icaza said in his blog that he is a "fan" of the Linux-Haters blog | Apr 06 21:55 |
| schestowitz | It's an anti-Linux blog... maybe he will enjoy lins*x too | Apr 06 21:55 |
| schestowitz | It's almost as though he's a self-hating FOSS coder | Apr 06 21:55 |
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| MinceR | he's merely a FOSS-hating (self?) coder | Apr 06 21:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Faced with real competition from @wikileaks, the New York Times just ... lies about them. http://bit.ly/9zM7Mc | Apr 06 21:59 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you know the phrase? | Apr 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Basically, to use Linux daily and revel in anti-Linux site is sickly | Apr 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | It's like a Christian enjoying the site of Jesus crucified... oh, wait... | Apr 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | *sight | Apr 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | he probably uses anti-linux anyway | Apr 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | (winblows or suse) | Apr 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | SUSE | Apr 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | with monome | Apr 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | But some of the code he writes is only for Windows | Apr 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | So he dual-boots with GatesOS | Apr 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | To get his 'fix' ;-) | Apr 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20100403150127351 | Apr 06 22:01 |
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| schestowitz | Andy got lost in some story about who-knows-what... | Apr 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | We need him to write FOSS stories instead if he can...... | Apr 06 22:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] In response to @migueldeicaza: How to become a typical Microsoft Most Valuable Hypocrite. http://tinyurl.com/yc7d868 | Apr 06 22:04 | |
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| schestowitz | dyfet: is that you here? http://rmsmit.blogspot.com/2010/03/virtualdesktop-multi-monitor.html | Apr 06 22:04 |
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| dyfet | yes, I liked this idea of using virtual desktops interchangably with multi-head | Apr 06 22:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Yeah, so that's why you're trying to shove your Mono garbage down everybody's throat. @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 22:08 | |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Apr 06 22:08 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, did you read the article? | Apr 06 22:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Plus, that's also why you have a picture in which you're holding a Windows box instead of a copy of Linux. @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | dyfet: oh, cool. a diplomat! http://www.blogger.com/profile/18046176675991184436 | Apr 06 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, nice theme | Apr 06 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: that picture was gimped | Apr 06 22:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what picture? | Apr 06 22:11 |
| schestowitz | winxp | Apr 06 22:11 |
| Omar87 | Really? | Apr 06 22:11 |
| Omar87 | Damn! | Apr 06 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was obvious | Apr 06 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I made the box oversized and used a famous picture | Apr 06 22:11 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Apr 06 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-05.html | Apr 06 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | Miguel de Icaza and his team have just released more Windows software to help Microsoft http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-05.html | Apr 06 22:14 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: C#, Mono and the Google Summer of Code - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 14.24 KB | Apr 06 22:14 |
| dyfet | well, I work with the Lakotah nation | Apr 06 22:15 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Apr-05-1.html | Apr 06 22:15 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: MonoTools for Visual Studio 1.1 - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 13.78 KB | Apr 06 22:15 |
| dyfet | not for the United States | Apr 06 22:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Plus, I really don't like to waste time arguing with you. I just wanted to teach you some good manners. 'coz you need'em @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 22:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I don't know about? The evidence is all around me! How the hell would I not know anything? @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 22:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] The history of MS is available for everyone to see. They've always made a mission to extinguish competition. @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 22:20 | |
| SubsonicB | dyfet: didnt know about gnu telephpny. seems cool | Apr 06 22:20 |
| dyfet | SubsonicB: I started it because I felt it was necessary to do | Apr 06 22:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Anyways, I know this is very hard for you to understand, 'coz you're an MVP after all. Just remember: Be polite next time. @migueldeicaza | Apr 06 22:21 | |
| SubsonicB | i'll have a look at it, goes to my bookmarks | Apr 06 22:22 |
| SubsonicB | ok gentlemen must quit now. keep on fighting the good fight. help spread the freedom, support the GPLv3 and beware of monkeys ("monos" in spanish) bearing patents and promises not-to-sue... nice to be over here... take care | Apr 06 22:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wound up by hectic day at work, then wound up further by #DEbill fuckery. CALM. BLUE. FUCKING. OCEANS. | Apr 06 22:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] if I wrote a newstechnica right now it would be the word "FUCK." three hundred times. | Apr 06 22:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mind_booster: Liked "Amazon Kindle #DRM Strikes Again: You Don't Really Own Your eBooks | Techdirt" http://ff.im/iCFnK | Apr 06 22:55 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Amazon Kindle #DRM Strikes Again: You Don't... - ovigia - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 8.87 KB | Apr 06 22:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @slashdot: Groklaw Will Be Archived At Library of Congress http://bit.ly/cWHln6 | Apr 06 23:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Groklaw Will Be Archived At Library of Congress .::. Size~: 50.51 KB | Apr 06 23:02 |
| dyfet | yeah that is very cool | Apr 06 23:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I appear to be flying around in second life. | Apr 06 23:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @typographica what happens when an untrained graphic designer tries to draw type: http://j.mp/beVgRJ #typography //also see: #Bing logo | Apr 06 23:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Somebody just made a copyright infringement of my poems - what to do now ? #copyright #india | Apr 06 23:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Groklaw invited to be archived in Library ofCongress http://bit.ly/c7YY4X #microsoft #antitrust #fraud #sco | Apr 06 23:35 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, I just wonder, what the hell gives idiots like de Icaza to just assume that they're talking to a naive moron just because s/he/it is talking about the danger of Mono? | Apr 06 23:36 |
| schestowitz | This guy doesn't account for the energy needed to build his infrastructure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEdQRVQtffw | Apr 06 23:41 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: it's their defence mechanism | Apr 06 23:42 |
| Omar87 | defense*? | Apr 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Library of Congress is the horse and carriage in a cars' world | Apr 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | They have some good archives of old presidents though | Apr 06 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: they assume everything but Microsoft sucks | Apr 06 23:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, That's correct. | Apr 06 23:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: [ migueldeicaza | Apr 06 23:44 |
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| Omar87 | @Omar_S_Hafez You seem like a nice kid, but you should not talk about things you dont know about, you just look stupid. ] | Apr 06 23:44 |
| Omar87 | :P | Apr 06 23:44 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, and unless I was a Microsoft zombie like he is, how the hell would I not know anything? | Apr 06 23:45 |
| Omar87 | I mean the stories and evidence is all around the web, for God's sake. | Apr 06 23:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @JusticeforGaza >>> @GWBProsecution God Speed! <<< #iraq #war #wikileaks | Apr 06 23:50 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYeynLy6pj8 | Apr 06 23:50 |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 06 23:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #Supernatural's last season and on the brink of the end. Why do they still waste time with filler episodes? Shitty end coming right for us! | Apr 06 23:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Omar_S_Hafez In response to @migueldeicaza: How to become a typical #Microsoft Most Valuable Hypocrite. http://tinyurl.com/yc7d868 | Apr 06 23:58 | |
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