| oiaohm | ^CareBear: Think twice. | Apr 10 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | Have you really checked out Mono. | Apr 10 00:00 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: so if i were to go to the extremes, i'd say that most featurephones can fulfill your one-line list of requirements :> | Apr 10 00:00 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, I thought I was dependent on the full keyboard on my HTC TyTN II (my secondary phone now), but the keyboard on the iPhone works pretty well | Apr 10 00:00 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, been playing with it, unfortunlately ain't a simple task converting WinForms apps | Apr 10 00:00 |
| oiaohm | You do know that Novell agreement with MS has a limited time window. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:00 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: "pretty well" but not as well as a real keyboard? :> | Apr 10 00:00 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, obviously not, no tactical feedback makes it less good | Apr 10 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie its not a forever agreement ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:01 |
| ^CareBear | tactile | Apr 10 00:01 |
| MinceR | tactical feedback would be nice | Apr 10 00:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 10 00:01 |
| oiaohm | WinForms are never going to convert right. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:01 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, I'm not going to live forever either =). It's what I know best (C#), and it's what I'm good at. It's also the one of two options that most enterprise devs have today: C# or Java | Apr 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: afaik there are plenty of featurephones that specifically include social networking-related apps too, some of them are cheaper | Apr 10 00:02 |
| oiaohm | C# is a small percentage of developers. | Apr 10 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Really small percentage. | Apr 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: java is a lot safer, legally | Apr 10 00:02 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, I've never actually purchased a mobile phone for myself, the job pays it | Apr 10 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Java is way larger. | Apr 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: do they set limits? | Apr 10 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Also java can be turned into true native programs. | Apr 10 00:02 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, Java is bigger, it's the language they teach at schools. C# and VB.NET is pretty equal to Java in some areas, here in Norway for example. C# is big, if someone tells you otherwise it's a lie | Apr 10 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Java is what you need to interface with Orcale perfectly as well. | Apr 10 00:03 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: C# basically locked you to Windows platforms. | Apr 10 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Unless you want to risk legal hell. | Apr 10 00:04 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, there are actually multiple C# runtimes for Linux, not only mono | Apr 10 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Really go look at how well they work. | Apr 10 00:04 |
| ^CareBear | though they stay within the limits of the standard | Apr 10 00:04 |
| MinceR | multiple? as in "there was also dotgnu until they stopped developing it"? | Apr 10 00:04 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, there is another one, I remember hanging in the irc room with some of the devs | Apr 10 00:05 |
| oiaohm | And when they were last updated. | Apr 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | also, afaik java sees a _lot_ more use than .net/mono | Apr 10 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Java has 12 runtimes ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | in that sense it's indeed a lot "bigger" | Apr 10 00:05 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, yepp Java is bigger, no doubt | Apr 10 00:05 |
| oiaohm | All upto current day spec ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | java has no legal threats hanging over it so it's no wonder it has more runtimes | Apr 10 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Including one in gcc it self that can produce native binaries. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Ibm even maintains one of there own java engines. | Apr 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | also, the official version is either already free software or the next release will be, afaik | Apr 10 00:06 |
| ^CareBear | I'm doing robotics and Xbox (XNA) development for fun as a hobby, can't do the latter in Java | Apr 10 00:06 |
| oiaohm | To be correct you can ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:06 |
| ^CareBear | hah, remember we did a project on DB2 and IBM WebSphere | Apr 10 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Thinking java is supported being coverted into .net | Apr 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | well, it's your problem for wasting your time on xboxes :> | Apr 10 00:07 |
| ^CareBear | WebSphere was horrible | Apr 10 00:07 |
| ^CareBear | (back in 2000) | Apr 10 00:07 |
| oiaohm | There is nothing C# can do that java cannot. | Apr 10 00:07 |
| ^CareBear | we ended up using a third party runtime instead, even though we we're big time IBM partners | Apr 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | java used to be horrible | Apr 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | then again, .net used to be nonexistent | Apr 10 00:07 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, can't do Xbox in Java | Apr 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: put gnu/linux on it | Apr 10 00:08 |
| oiaohm | You can ^CareBear done it by the way. | Apr 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | and a JRE | Apr 10 00:08 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, perhaps with the XDE, I'm no serious game developer | Apr 10 00:08 |
| oiaohm | There is a java complier for .net ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:09 |
| ^CareBear | I know | Apr 10 00:09 |
| oiaohm | And a java coverter. | Apr 10 00:09 |
| oiaohm | I also have a C to java and a C to .net | Apr 10 00:09 |
| oiaohm | So I have no reason to know C# | Apr 10 00:09 |
| ^CareBear | http://www.gocosmos.org/index.en.aspx <- seen this? I was involved a bit in the early phase, now I just chat with the others guys to keep updated on the project | Apr 10 00:10 |
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| oiaohm | Basically I am building in languages that no matter what happens I can just build elsewhere. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:10 |
| MinceR | seems pointless to me, ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:11 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: can it run non-.net/mono apps? | Apr 10 00:11 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, nothing's ever pointless when you're on the inside | Apr 10 00:11 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, of course not =) | Apr 10 00:11 |
| MinceR | nothing's ever pointless if you've been brainwashed into believing it isn't? :> | Apr 10 00:11 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, it's not pointless for those who work on it, cause you learn stuff personally. | Apr 10 00:12 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, most of the linux distros are virtually pointless | Apr 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | "The LINUX of tomorrow." -- i lol'd | Apr 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: virtually. | Apr 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: they also take little work to develop | Apr 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: and they also get to run pretty much all the gnu/linux programs out there | Apr 10 00:13 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, it's a waste of potential | Apr 10 00:13 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, it's the programmer mentality at work | Apr 10 00:13 |
| MinceR | cosmos, on the other hand, locks users into a legally problematic platform with a greatly limited set of programs | Apr 10 00:13 |
| ^CareBear | we want to know everything, and we don't trust others, so we do it ourselves | Apr 10 00:13 |
| MinceR | and afaik the whole idea was "let's just ignore the fact that modern CPUs have MMUs" | Apr 10 00:14 |
| MinceR | seems pretty pointless to me | Apr 10 00:14 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, nobody can stop me from writing text files | Apr 10 00:14 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: You must be under 25. You have not learnt the leasons on mainframes. | Apr 10 00:14 |
| MinceR | especially if the cost is not being able to run native code | Apr 10 00:14 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, almost 30 :) | Apr 10 00:14 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: they can stop you from turning them into code you can run, though | Apr 10 00:14 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: or from running it | Apr 10 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Or you missed the mainframe issues somehow. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:14 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, never done work directly on mainframes, integrated with a few though | Apr 10 00:15 |
| cubezzz | I worked on IBM 4381's | Apr 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Remember the old posix hell that programs writing for one Mainframe OS would not work on another ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | And being forced to buy the hardware from that mainframe vendor to stay running. | Apr 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | The mainframe lockin. | Apr 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | .net is no different. | Apr 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Right down to the possiablity of using patents to keep the lock ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | looks like a cargo cult to me anyway | Apr 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | "if we use .net, everything will automatically be perfect!" | Apr 10 00:16 |
| cubezzz | is .net basically Microsoft's attempt at Java? | Apr 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | it is | Apr 10 00:16 |
| oiaohm | .Net object leak is now right worse than a buffer overflow in most cases. | Apr 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | after they got slapped on the wrist for trying to corrupt java itself | Apr 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | (m$ java) | Apr 10 00:16 |
| cubezzz | but it doesn't run on ARM or Sparc or anything non x86? | Apr 10 00:16 |
| MinceR | so .net is basically m$ java 2 | Apr 10 00:17 |
| ^CareBear | cubezzz, Microsoft had their own JVM, which they extended outside the standard, pissed Sun off, forced them to quit working on it. Then they created .NET after a while | Apr 10 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Correctly built programs bufferoverflow ends up terminated program. | Apr 10 00:17 |
| oiaohm | No ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:17 |
| cubezzz | but what could you run .net on? | Apr 10 00:17 |
| cubezzz | just wintel boxes? | Apr 10 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Sun did not force MS to stop providing a JVM. | Apr 10 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Read the court ruling some time ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:17 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: <m$-marketroid-speak> all os-es in the world </m$-marketroid-speak> translation: windows, of course! | Apr 10 00:17 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: you mean there's something other than x86? :> | Apr 10 00:18 |
| MinceR | out there? | Apr 10 00:18 |
| oiaohm | The court ruling stoped MS from providing extentions that were single platform. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:18 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, this is the net, don't take every word literally ;) | Apr 10 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Wake up ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:18 |
| oiaohm | MS created .net so they could create sections that were 100 percent plaform dependant. | Apr 10 00:18 |
| cubezzz | :-P | Apr 10 00:19 |
| oiaohm | So making cross platform compadbility hard. | Apr 10 00:19 |
| cubezzz | didn't I tell you about the mighty X1000? :) | Apr 10 00:19 |
| MinceR | so basically the entire point of .net is being non-portable | Apr 10 00:19 |
| cubezzz | no one is listening | Apr 10 00:19 |
| MinceR | a noble goal, isn't it? :> | Apr 10 00:19 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah | Apr 10 00:19 |
| cubezzz | wow, now I hate Microsoft even more | Apr 10 00:19 |
| oiaohm | The goal of .net is to solve the CPU issue MS has ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:19 |
| oiaohm | x86 processors sux. | Apr 10 00:19 |
| MinceR | what's the CPU issue they have? | Apr 10 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Really sux | Apr 10 00:19 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, they created it so they could do whatever they wanted more freely, you don't and I don't know anything about platform depdency | Apr 10 00:20 |
| MinceR | too many cycles to burn? | Apr 10 00:20 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, which CPU is the best? | Apr 10 00:20 |
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| cubezzz | I'm ready for non-x86 | Apr 10 00:20 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: for what use? | Apr 10 00:20 |
| cubezzz | hacking around and server | Apr 10 00:20 |
| MinceR | different cpus shine for different purposes | Apr 10 00:20 |
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| satipera | this is like listening to a rangers fan in a celtic forum | Apr 10 00:21 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, I could have done Java, but then I would be part of the larger group, and who wants that =) | Apr 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: .Net has never been about more freely for everyone. | Apr 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | MS advertised .net as a cross platform solution. Yet they have never released a runtime for any other OS. | Apr 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Cross platform between MS made OS's. | Apr 10 00:23 |
| cubezzz | a number of people say the ultimate hacking machine was Amiga 3000/4000 | Apr 10 00:23 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: yes, amiga fans do :> | Apr 10 00:23 |
| cubezzz | remember OCS, ECS, AGA? | Apr 10 00:23 |
| MinceR | not really | Apr 10 00:23 |
| *MinceR never had an amiga | Apr 10 00:23 | |
| cubezzz | ok :-P | Apr 10 00:23 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, there are a lot of interesting innovations in .NET, there are tradeoffs between Java and .NET, I prefer .NET, even with the potential problems with patents and lock-in. | Apr 10 00:23 |
| oiaohm | .net is really to solve a MS major problem. X86 are not powereffective as ppc or arm and many other cpu. | Apr 10 00:23 |
| *^CareBear have 3 Amiga's :D | Apr 10 00:23 | |
| *^CareBear have 4 Mac's :D | Apr 10 00:24 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how is .net supposed to solve that? | Apr 10 00:24 |
| oiaohm | The bytecode of .net does not contain cpu instructions. | Apr 10 00:24 |
| *^CareBear have 3xC64's, different types and even flopppydrive ;) | Apr 10 00:24 | |
| *MinceR has 7 x86 PCs and a Sinclair ZX Spectrum | Apr 10 00:24 | |
| oiaohm | MS was even planing that all drivers would have to be in .net | Apr 10 00:24 |
| cubezzz | ummm, I don't think any bytecode has cpu instructions | Apr 10 00:25 |
| MinceR | (one of those PCs is out of use though) | Apr 10 00:25 |
| ^CareBear | remember those trying to build a CPU that read Java-bytecode? | Apr 10 00:25 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, so you never used Commodore computers? | Apr 10 00:25 |
| MinceR | well, afaik there are CPUs that support some bytecode instructions directly | Apr 10 00:25 |
| ^CareBear | my first programming experience was BASIC on C64 | Apr 10 00:25 |
| oiaohm | CPU that run java-bytecode work quite well. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:25 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: i have, but i didn't own them | Apr 10 00:25 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: except when i used emulators :> | Apr 10 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie its not trying you can buy them. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz should the #BPI die, or the #DEBill be repealed, good. Meanwhile (and regardless) people should be taught how to fight back." http://identi.ca/conversation/27890434#notice-27931454 | Apr 10 00:26 |
| ^CareBear | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_processor | Apr 10 00:26 |
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| schestowitz | [22:31] <Chips_B_Malroy> many refer to the penal system here as the "prision industry." | Apr 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Privatise them, make them have a little competition over rendition and cell treatment, see who reforms prisoners most effectively | Apr 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | You are not going to see .net ones like that any time soon ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Patent risks too high ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:27 |
| cubezzz | huh, interesting | Apr 10 00:27 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, that's right, you'll get .NET MF instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Micro_Framework | Apr 10 00:27 |
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| MinceR | see de icaza's rant about how m$ crippled .net :> | Apr 10 00:28 |
| ^CareBear | I was playing with the Micro Framework for one of my "robot" projects, though scrapped it | Apr 10 00:28 |
| cubezzz | ^CareBear, so what models of Amiga do you have? | Apr 10 00:28 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: the micro framework is not a CPU or an ISA, is it? | Apr 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Yet you see no commerical devices using it wonder why. That right tomtom getting sued. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Up until that point using .net in devices what though of as a possiablity. | Apr 10 00:29 |
| ^CareBear | cubezzz, 500 and 500A and 600? | Apr 10 00:29 |
| ^CareBear | cubezzz, we were one of first to get HDD for Amiga in the area =) | Apr 10 00:29 |
| cubezzz | ah, I had a 500 myself | Apr 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | If this item is only toy you never hope to sell go ahead use it . ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:30 |
| cubezzz | I paid a fortune for my first hd: $1360 | Apr 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Lot of large scale producers will not touch the .net stuff. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft also only open source products once they are failures by the way ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:31 |
| cubezzz | .net is to be avoided I think | Apr 10 00:31 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, Lots of large companies uses billions of dollar on developers doing projects on .NET for them. So that's my situation, I could have done Java, but I have other battles to fight. I'm more interested in promoting freedom, sharing and collaboration in our industry. Licenses such as CC-BY, etc. | Apr 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Lots don't ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | And the ones that don't will gain in the end. | Apr 10 00:32 |
| ^CareBear | cubezzz, I think the HDD is 20MB or so, but a while since I checked, it's back at my parents house. | Apr 10 00:32 |
| ^CareBear | cubezzz, remember Amiga-"porn"? | Apr 10 00:32 |
| cubezzz | uh, sort of | Apr 10 00:32 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: please explain how promoting .net/mono is supposed to promote freedom, sharing or collaboration in our industry. | Apr 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | The percentage of .net compare to java C and other techs is really small ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Only are in a isolated group ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:33 |
| cubezzz | the Amiga 500 usually used 320x200 if I remember correctly | Apr 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | This is the other big problem with C# developers. | Apr 10 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I still have most of my source code | Apr 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Where java programmers and C programmer commonly come into contact on joint projects. | Apr 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | C# developers don't. | Apr 10 00:33 |
| MinceR | why do programmers specialize in one language to the exclusion of all others? | Apr 10 00:34 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, I'm very well aware of the current state of languages and projects, Java is the biggest with .NET second. That's for enterprise type projects, nobody would make a game or realtime system on those platforms. I've done .NET since beta 1, I did a little bit of Java before that. | Apr 10 00:34 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, I know multiple languages, but you can't have multiple languages in single projects | Apr 10 00:34 |
| neighborlee | I had live porn at the time ( read: a live person to fulfilll me )...I was too busy playing games at the time to worry about puter porn o_0..but seriusly amiga porn ??? | Apr 10 00:34 |
| MinceR | sometimes you can | Apr 10 00:34 |
| neighborlee | and we wonder why the world is so messed up <sigh> | Apr 10 00:34 |
| cubezzz | my first hd was a compsec ST157N | Apr 10 00:35 |
| MinceR | it's messed up because it's infested by humans | Apr 10 00:35 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, sometimes you can, but almost never. You're dealing with people of all skillsets on projects, it's important with a stable basis of knowledge and platform. | Apr 10 00:35 |
| neighborlee | lol | Apr 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Java is used in some realtime systems ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:35 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: is a single language a "stable basis"? :> | Apr 10 00:35 |
| MinceR | especially if it's limited to a single platform? | Apr 10 00:35 |
| neighborlee | yeah well if were humans were a bit better at what we do we might stand a chance at survival one the 'big' ones hit us <power in numbers ?> | Apr 10 00:35 |
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| oiaohm | Of course not the JVM form the built to native form. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:35 |
| cubezzz | 320x200 and 640x200 were the two video modes I usually used | Apr 10 00:35 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, not in the entire industry no, but in individual projects | Apr 10 00:35 |
| neighborlee | oiaohm, go java!! | Apr 10 00:35 |
| ender2070 | go java! | Apr 10 00:36 |
| ender2070 | +1 | Apr 10 00:36 |
| neighborlee | give me java anyday over net nastiness ;) | Apr 10 00:36 |
| ender2070 | lol im actually installing java in f13 right now | Apr 10 00:36 |
| *MinceR has hopes for java | Apr 10 00:36 | |
| neighborlee | me too | Apr 10 00:36 |
| cubezzz | of course java over .net | Apr 10 00:36 |
| neighborlee | whic is why im using ardor3d | Apr 10 00:36 |
| neighborlee | which | Apr 10 00:36 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather use cobol than .net :) | Apr 10 00:36 |
| neighborlee | heh | Apr 10 00:36 |
| ^CareBear | I'd rather use anything other than Java ;) | Apr 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/index.html I don't see the side by side development in the .net world like tis you seen in java. | Apr 10 00:36 |
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| neighborlee | honetly though I hate those brackets..I get them..doesnt' mean I have to LIKE them | Apr 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie berkley db engine is both in java and c/c++ | Apr 10 00:37 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, what you mean side-by-side? | Apr 10 00:37 |
| neighborlee | c++/python whatever | Apr 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | That the program is duel coded. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:37 |
| ender2070 | openjdk | Apr 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | The java version of berkley db is a full program same with the c/c++ version. | Apr 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Neither needs each other to beused. | Apr 10 00:38 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, that's not something you see every day no, a lot of projects are ported though | Apr 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | You see it quite a bit in the Java world. | Apr 10 00:38 |
| ^CareBear | I know some web-portal systems and workflow-systems that are dual-compiled | Apr 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Its not porting. Its the developers being friendly. | Apr 10 00:38 |
| ^CareBear | not workflow, rules-engine I mean | Apr 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | When someone trys todo the same with the likes of tomboy with gnote the poor developer of gnote got attacked. | Apr 10 00:39 |
| MinceR | i've worked on a product which was written in c, c++ _and_ python | Apr 10 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Because it could show up .net weaknesses. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:39 |
| MinceR | (doesn't mean i would have designed it that way if it was up to me, though) | Apr 10 00:39 |
| oiaohm | .net development is not healthy ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:39 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, being negative ain't healthy either :D Which is why I'm positive all the time | Apr 10 00:40 |
| ender2070 | java should get better with oracle | Apr 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | The sections of happy side by side development are key to fixing and improving language. | Apr 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: | Apr 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | How else can you see where a language is flawed than having it do the same things as another language. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | You find the same with some python and php projects as well. | Apr 10 00:41 |
| oiaohm | There are simple things required for a language to develop healthy ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:42 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, btw: http://www.db4o.com/DownloadNow.aspx | Apr 10 00:42 |
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| ^CareBear | that's one =) | Apr 10 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Now why bytecode to bytecode. | Apr 10 00:43 |
| oiaohm | bytecode vs native code design. | Apr 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Vs items like C and C++ is what it is missing. | Apr 10 00:44 |
| ender2070 | C is a hell of a lot faster though | Apr 10 00:45 |
| MinceR | hm? | Apr 10 00:45 |
| oiaohm | And exactly what is wrong with .net ^CareBear that you need two different versions to install where java only needs 1. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:46 |
| ^CareBear | ender2070, well sure, but the cost of doing it in C :D | Apr 10 00:46 |
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| oiaohm | That db4o also shows you a issue. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:46 |
| MinceR | ...is less than the cost of doing it in c# and then getting sued for running it on gnu/linux | Apr 10 00:46 |
| MinceR | ...or the cost of running it on a winblows machine. | Apr 10 00:46 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, Java have had lots of versioning issues in the past | Apr 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Also there is no mono installer there. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: they did and they did solve it. | Apr 10 00:47 |
| ^CareBear | I'm not going to use db4o | Apr 10 00:47 |
| ^CareBear | was just a quick example | Apr 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | No ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Don't you get it. | Apr 10 00:47 |
| ender2070 | lol ^Carebear | Apr 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | The example you just pointed to shows flaws even at the most basic surface exam. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Call me evil. | Apr 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | I made you provide the example so I could rip you to bits so you could not say I picked a bias example ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:48 |
| ^CareBear | parts of your discussion are lost in translation as well | Apr 10 00:49 |
| ^CareBear | English ain't my primary language | Apr 10 00:49 |
| oiaohm | You know the opensim project. | Apr 10 00:49 |
| ^CareBear | Berkeley ain't even in same release versions either | Apr 10 00:49 |
| ^CareBear | no checking it now | Apr 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Don't have to be. They are binary compadible versions. ^CareBear | Apr 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie if one need updating to keep binary compadible it does if it does not so be it. | Apr 10 00:50 |
| ^CareBear | anyway, it's way past bedtime. Thanks for the chat, it's been fun | Apr 10 00:51 |
| oiaohm | opensim has had classic problems. Same C# source code. If you build it with mono it would run on mono and not MS .net | Apr 10 00:51 |
| oiaohm | If you built it with MS .net it would run on MS .net but not mono. | Apr 10 00:52 |
| ^CareBear | though keep a positive mind and remember the most important thing we're here to do, is improve our own industry which clearly has issues. | Apr 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | guess what the issue is that MS .net is not to standard. | Apr 10 00:52 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: one of the ways to improve this industry is getting rid of m$ and crApple | Apr 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | So particular programs have to be rebuilt and that is the only thing to make the work on mono. | Apr 10 00:52 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, what kind of GUI-technology does it use? | Apr 10 00:52 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: m$ has done more harm to this industry than anything else, ever | Apr 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | None ^CareBear opensim is a server. | Apr 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | If a text base server does not work cross platform you know you have a major problem. | Apr 10 00:53 |
| cubezzz | I still write text programs | Apr 10 00:54 |
| ^CareBear | I couldn't comment before I saw the source | Apr 10 00:54 |
| MinceR | what did they screw up in opensim? (besides building it on m$ "technology") | Apr 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Nothing techicanlly. | Apr 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Mono builds by ecma spec in one section. | Apr 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Problem is MS .net cannot process ecma spec bytecode doing that. | Apr 10 00:55 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, who would alternatives be competing with without Apple and Microsoft? IBM? They do some Linux as well now, who else? | Apr 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | So MS .net complier inserts a hack. | Apr 10 00:56 |
| MinceR | just the classic case of m$ not even following their own "standard"? | Apr 10 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep status normal case. | Apr 10 00:56 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: companies that actually tried to succeed by making good products? | Apr 10 00:56 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: companies that strive for excellence in the industry, rather than suppressing their competition? | Apr 10 00:56 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: companies that innovate technology instead of innovating suppression of competition? | Apr 10 00:56 |
| oiaohm | The fault is marked to hopefully be fixed in MS .net some time in 2011 | Apr 10 00:57 |
| oiaohm | But thier will still be all the defectively built programs around. | Apr 10 00:57 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: there were plenty of contenders that they've crushed on the way | Apr 10 00:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: is there a page about this issue i can show to a m$ fanboy elsewhere? :> | Apr 10 00:58 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, someone has to do bad products and services for others to improve and be better. That's how we got FireFox, which WAS good, but now I swear to Chrome | Apr 10 00:58 |
| *MinceR likes to rub it in | Apr 10 00:58 | |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: nope | Apr 10 00:58 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: in healthy competition, bad products and services don't matter | Apr 10 00:58 |
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| MinceR | ^CareBear: because there are multiple _good_ products and services, and those are the ones who can really compete with each other | Apr 10 00:59 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: in a healthy economy, m$ and crApple would have gone bankrupt ages ago | Apr 10 01:00 |
| MinceR | and people who remember them would still ask "how did they even expect us to _pay_ for that sort of crap?" | Apr 10 01:00 |
| oiaohm | I would have to dig it up again. And I don't fell like opensim source code diving to where they put the hack in so it would work with both MS .net and mono. | Apr 10 01:01 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 10 01:01 |
| oiaohm | But anyone regually building with both mono and .net and cross running see it quite a bit. | Apr 10 01:01 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, as I said, you should lighten up. We're not going to get laissez-faire capitalism, so there's no reason to cry about it | Apr 10 01:01 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: i'll lighten up once those criminals lose and get properly punished | Apr 10 01:02 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: and i never said i wanted laissez-faire capitalism | Apr 10 01:02 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, then you'll die young of hearth condition :| and you won't like that | Apr 10 01:02 |
| oiaohm | The .net project you are working on are you regually building with mono and .net to test function of code. ^CareBear | Apr 10 01:02 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: i want market forces to actually work | Apr 10 01:02 |
| oiaohm | I guess not. | Apr 10 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Even cross running. | Apr 10 01:02 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: whether it's achieved by letting the suffering customers arm themselves and lynch people like ballmer or governmental controls matters less | Apr 10 01:03 |
| MinceR | s/gov/by gov/ | Apr 10 01:03 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, not on mono yet, it's WinForms, though I'm looking into another GUI-framework, but WPF ain't on mono either so | Apr 10 01:03 |
| oiaohm | WPF is on mono ^CareBear | Apr 10 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Just runs badly. | Apr 10 01:03 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: if i die young, at least i won't have to endure human society for long :> | Apr 10 01:03 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, oh great, that's probably way better than winforms | Apr 10 01:03 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: ballmer and jobs deciding what goes on the market is not "capitalism" | Apr 10 01:04 |
| oiaohm | No winforms in mono at last does not splat out. | Apr 10 01:04 |
| MinceR | it's a lot more like planned economy | Apr 10 01:04 |
| ^CareBear | *compiling OpenSim* | Apr 10 01:04 |
| oiaohm | You have to cross moonlight with mono to get it ^CareBear | Apr 10 01:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 10 01:05 |
| MinceR | cross the streams | Apr 10 01:05 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, so it's not WPF; it's Silverlight? | Apr 10 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep and pray you live. | Apr 10 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Sections of WPF were required to implement Silverlight | Apr 10 01:05 |
| ^CareBear | that depends on how you look at it | Apr 10 01:05 |
| ^CareBear | they both use XAML yes | Apr 10 01:06 |
| ^CareBear | but totally different runtimes | Apr 10 01:06 |
| oiaohm | No they are not. | Apr 10 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Just like MS says that XP and Vista are totally different OS's. | Apr 10 01:06 |
| oiaohm | There cores share common. | Apr 10 01:06 |
| ^CareBear | OpenSim uses SQLite, I doubt the win .dll works easily on Linux (and mono)? | Apr 10 01:06 |
| MinceR | they even say that vista and vista7 are totally different | Apr 10 01:07 |
| oiaohm | sqlite is Linux native. ^CareBear | Apr 10 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Not like you need the window .dll | Apr 10 01:07 |
| ^CareBear | why oh why did they create so many projects for OpenSim | Apr 10 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Each different coder created his own section. | Apr 10 01:08 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, I'm pointing it out due to the mentioning of re-compile for mono | Apr 10 01:08 |
| ^CareBear | how many people have worked on OpenSim? | Apr 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | mono in it runtime includes a direct access for SQLite | Apr 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Same interface you have to add to windows. | Apr 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | .net | Apr 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie its a default feature of mono. | Apr 10 01:09 |
| ^CareBear | OpenSim really should be refactored into lesser assemblies, quite a bit of overhead now | Apr 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | I did not say the thing was clean. | Apr 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | ado part of mono includes way more databases than ms .net out box. | Apr 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes I might hate something ^CareBear Does not mean I don't know it. | Apr 10 01:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ideas for Promoting #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware in Developing Countries http://ur1.ca/uchn | Apr 10 01:12 | |
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| ^CareBear | well obviously you need to know something to hate it =) | Apr 10 01:13 |
| ^CareBear | call me stupid, but OpenSim runs on mono for OS X/Linux? | Apr 10 01:14 |
| ^CareBear | can't find any details on the site | Apr 10 01:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jon Hall Explains Why #GNU #Linux #Security is Better http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/299241:becoming-a-qlinux-security-artistq- | Apr 10 01:15 | |
| ^CareBear | http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Dependencies <- there it says Mono yepp ;) | Apr 10 01:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@pmross yes #Chrome has a reputation 4 being nimble-like #FireFox did before middle age, I guess. ;-) I think you'll like recent #Opera too | Apr 10 01:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is said to be coming to the PS3 Slim too, via hacks. | Apr 10 01:19 | |
| ^CareBear | oh silly, Hippo OpenSim Viewer doesn't even allow username input of characters such as æøå | Apr 10 01:20 |
| MinceR | perhaps sony shot themselves in the foot, encouraging hackers to develop GNU/Linux support for the ps3 slim? :> | Apr 10 01:21 |
| MinceR | (by removing it from the non-slim ps3) | Apr 10 01:21 |
| ^CareBear | they are removing it from all with the firmware update as well? | Apr 10 01:22 |
| MinceR | non-slim ps3 had the Other OS feature, and a recent patch removed it | Apr 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Ps3 slim never had it ^CareBear | Apr 10 01:22 |
| MinceR | slim ps3 never had it | Apr 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Now the Linux guys are pissed. | Apr 10 01:22 |
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| MinceR | now that some people had to come up with a patch to keep all the features they've paid for, it isn't so difficult to do it for the slim ps3 too. | Apr 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Really I hope the xbox 360 cpu gets broken this year. | Apr 10 01:23 |
| MinceR | RRoD isn't enough? :> | Apr 10 01:23 |
| ^CareBear | OSGRID.ORG doesn't have a delete-account option? oh..thank you | Apr 10 01:23 |
| oiaohm | xbox 360 is held up by people pushing drm as a working solution. | Apr 10 01:23 |
| MinceR | the process that led to the xbox 360 doesn't even merit being called "engineering" | Apr 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Now the problem sony has why reason do the Linux people have since they have to patch limit hardware access. | Apr 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | why/what | Apr 10 01:24 |
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| ^CareBear | good night | Apr 10 01:24 |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 10 01:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Opensim looks like Myst | Apr 10 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Opensim is secondlife redone. | Apr 10 01:30 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, was just looking at some of the picture views, the lighthouse on the island, the fountian, are all out of myst | Apr 10 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so some of the artwork is very close | Apr 10 01:32 |
| cubezzz | I'd say don't buy consoles | Apr 10 01:33 |
| cubezzz | just use general purpose computers | Apr 10 01:34 |
| cubezzz | ideally something that can be programmed and documented down to the register level | Apr 10 01:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/d4lWBy has inspired me to dig out the Intel Classmate (crunchbang) and update it for Sam (3) so he can play on it tomorrow. | Apr 10 01:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@DonBlankenship "America doesn't need Green jobs" // or SAFE ones either, apparently. | Apr 10 01:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "the scariest polluter in the US ...The guy is #evil & I don't use that word lightly." @drgrist on @DonBlankenship #massey #pollution #crime | Apr 10 01:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] OMG! I have only just discovered that the game 'moon buggy' has lasers! This requires more investigation! | Apr 10 02:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@WesBEnterprise public wants 2 lock SELVES in [#apple's walled garden] //yes,like #facebook+#microsoft, public doesn't care...till later ;) | Apr 10 02:05 | |
| scientes | know of any good journal software | Apr 10 02:17 |
| scientes | gpl | Apr 10 02:17 |
| scientes | of course | Apr 10 02:17 |
| scientes | i'm using rednotebook | Apr 10 02:17 |
| scientes | but its formatting is week | Apr 10 02:17 |
| scientes | i want something like latex or openoffice for formatting, footnotes, embedding, etc | Apr 10 02:18 |
| scientes | but with a calendar, and organization for keeping a journal | Apr 10 02:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Don't suppose anyone knows where I can get a replacement keyboard for my intel classmate :( Sam broke a key a while ago. | Apr 10 02:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise environmentalism is no more groupthink than libertarianism | Apr 10 02:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise environmentalism is no more groupthink than libertarianism cc @shoq | Apr 10 02:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise No; I'm an environmentalist. You make the same mistake thinking I am an #Obama fan. I don't care about celebrities | Apr 10 02:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq used to think that ppl a lot smarter than me were in charge of the big shit /they're not smarter but they're a whole lot greedier ;-) | Apr 10 02:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise imho Gore is interesting as 1 of very few in his class prepared to publicly champion a difficult cause. It costs him | Apr 10 02:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise the more interesting question, WHY is the environmental cause so difficult and dangerous for politicians :) | Apr 10 02:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise "because it's a pack of lies" isn't a very satisfactory answer | Apr 10 02:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise the truthful answers, like those about #war, are enlightening :D | Apr 10 02:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Toronto mayor Miller: Without "brilliant" Transit City light rail, city doomed to a future of smoggy gridlock #ttc http://bit.ly/buBO4g | Apr 10 02:46 | |
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| oiaohm | scientes: You are asking for a lot. | Apr 10 03:19 |
| oiaohm | Only fast way I could think of making something close is make kword intergrate into kontact | Apr 10 03:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @anarchists @EmergentOrde @6dbl5321 Collateral #Murder Veteran: Atrocities R 'Military Protocol' http://l.pr/a4dse // that's the point :/ | Apr 10 03:32 | |
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| scientes | ah | Apr 10 03:41 |
| scientes | rednotebook is O | Apr 10 03:41 |
| scientes | OK | Apr 10 03:41 |
| scientes | but i really want to be able to embed things | Apr 10 03:42 |
| scientes | etc | Apr 10 03:42 |
| scientes | I think the propritary OneNote does sort of what I am asking for | Apr 10 03:42 |
| scientes | but i would never use anything that trapped my data | Apr 10 03:42 |
| scientes | maybe just using latex or openoffice in linier fashion might work | Apr 10 03:43 |
| scientes | also are there e-book readers that let you add notes? | Apr 10 03:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@rayvelline #Monsanto leads in genetically modified frankenfood, trails in ethics http://bit.ly/cFb2lW //ethics erode profit! See: #Massey | Apr 10 04:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Massey #Monsanto #Microsoft #motherfuckers | Apr 10 04:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise I long for sustainability. something in our nature is exploitative, expansionist, shortsighted & this will be our downfall | Apr 10 04:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise Really: @AlGore is NOT my "leader"; can't put this more plainly. He's just anothr guy who does his thing. #environmentalism | Apr 10 04:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@rixth #wtf am i supposed to do with $7.50 in 10c pieces? // the bank will count and deposit them for you. | Apr 10 04:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise cult of personality gets in the way. #imho better 4 ppl to do own study, find stories that affect them, not follow 1 leader | Apr 10 04:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise A leader is just another imperfect human. At best. Ask #Buddha :D | Apr 10 04:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wesbenterprise #environmentalism is not @AlGore; it's thousands of Activists, researchers, whistleblowers risking everything for truth | Apr 10 04:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If you're in #Toronto you NEED to check out Magic Oven healthy organic #pizza. http://www.magicoven.com/home.php #food #diet | Apr 10 04:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Rule of thumb: Never buy #food you've seen advertised on #tv. #diet #health | Apr 10 04:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @wikileaks: The Iraqi video: reading the report | New Yorker http://bit.ly/bAHECV | Apr 10 05:13 | |
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| cubezzz | "Massively multithreaded jobs belong on SPARC, small-thread number crunching belongs on the GHz-of-the-day winner, and that's x86-derived" | Apr 10 05:46 |
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| DaemonFC | How have I been spending more than I make and still have a positive balance? | Apr 10 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | must be some banker-speak | Apr 10 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, if I spend money at a gas station, it chalks up the whole purchase to gas | Apr 10 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | that's smart :P | Apr 10 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | I was looking at motion sensors for indoor lights then thought about what would really end up happening | Apr 10 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | lights turn off when I'm reading, bedroom lights turn on when I turn over in the middle of the night | Apr 10 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be better off with the clapper | Apr 10 06:23 |
| cubezzz | what if you sleep-clap? :) | Apr 10 07:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM Sub-notebooks ( #GNU #Linux Only) a Risk (RISC?) to x86 http://ur1.ca/udml | Apr 10 07:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablet Running #GNU #Linux "most feature-complete tablet [Engadget has] seen yet" http://ur1.ca/topg | Apr 10 07:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fake "Open Source" Increasingly Disrespected http://ur1.ca/u3xp | Apr 10 07:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle 's #OpenOffice .org to Get "Better Defaults" http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/better_default_settings_anyone | Apr 10 07:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL Database's Direction Debated, Shared http://ur1.ca/udp5 http://ur1.ca/udp6 http://ur1.ca/udp7 | Apr 10 07:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware in Education: Latest Examples http://ur1.ca/udpb http://ur1.ca/udpc http://ur1.ca/udpd | Apr 10 07:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source Business Intelligence Said to be Gaining Acceptance http://www.ovum.com/news/euronews.asp?id=8538 #bi | Apr 10 07:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Makes #FreeSoftware So Great http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2010/04/08/why-is-free-open-source-software-so-great #flame | Apr 10 07:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Long-Term Support Release of #Asterisk http://www.voipplanet.com/news/article.php/3875601 | Apr 10 08:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PirateParty Fights Against #Censorship in #Australia http://ur1.ca/udrl http://ur1.ca/udrm | Apr 10 08:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Verizon Turns Against Its Facts http://ur1.ca/udrt http://ur1.ca/udru | Apr 10 08:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Harm People's Lives http://ur1.ca/udse http://ur1.ca/udsf | Apr 10 08:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Economist Calls for Shortening of #Copyrights http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15868004 | Apr 10 08:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Government Hides Voices of #ACTA Opposition, Raves About Lobbyists' Support http://techdirt.com/articles/20100407/1618498916.shtml | Apr 10 08:16 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/status/11878273192 "@schestowitz We can agree that swpats are counterproductive (I do agree) but while we have them, IBM's action was w/in bounds" | Apr 10 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/status/11878292125 "@schestowitz Not saying that it was morally superior in doing so, but I don't want it smacked around for this when it does so much good" | Apr 10 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | IBM apologism | Apr 10 08:37 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/23134/Research_In_Motion_Buys_QNX_Software This could be good or bad. | Apr 10 08:38 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz education should focus on things that can be STUDIED. microsoft only allows USE (and even that's debatable)" http://identi.ca/conversation/27815232#notice-27966390 | Apr 10 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: to whom? | Apr 10 08:42 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz i long for a "boycott ebay" site. boycott novell one of best websites ever, by the way. like fuckmicrosoft.com ii, but better" http://identi.ca/conversation/27818281#notice-27966655 | Apr 10 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | @openuniverse "boycott" sounds too negative; I _never_ chose the name "boycott Novell" | Apr 10 08:43 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27933983#notice-27975487 " | Apr 10 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | jdac | Apr 10 08:43 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz reminds me of http://ur1.ca/udmv ... Maybe this is the beginning of a new Wheel of Reincarnation? #JargonFile | Apr 10 08:43 |
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| schestowitz | " | Apr 10 08:43 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27934172#notice-27977164 "@schestowitz Woah... That looks like an awesome tablet. The price will most probably be terrifying though." | Apr 10 08:44 |
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| schestowitz | @theancientgoat but consider the *real* price of hypePad... when you buy 'autorised' 'content' for it | Apr 10 08:44 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Apr 10 08:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: why would they need RTOS | Apr 10 08:45 |
| schestowitz | ? | Apr 10 08:45 |
| oiaohm | The in car market schestowitz | Apr 10 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Now think what happens if black berys magically sink with cars and items like ipods are exculded. | Apr 10 08:52 |
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| cubezzz | ooo I can get an 1989 DECstation for $160 :) | Apr 10 08:54 |
| cubezzz | running Ultrix | Apr 10 08:54 |
| cubezzz | well it's non x86 at least | Apr 10 08:55 |
| cubezzz | there's a fair number of these Sun Colbalt Qubes too | Apr 10 08:58 |
| cubezzz | er, Cobolt | Apr 10 08:58 |
| cubezzz | Cobalt :) | Apr 10 08:58 |
| cubezzz | or I can just go for the Amiga 1200 and upgrade it later | Apr 10 08:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Geoff Capes: Athlete and Strongman we knew...but "prize-winning budgerigar breeder"? http://is.gd/bmI7B | Apr 10 09:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I guess the rumor I heard when I was 9 years old that "Geoff Capes threw a cat around the world" must be untrue. | Apr 10 09:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] hypePad and .NET Promoted by Novell at the Same Time http://ur1.ca/ue0d #Novell promotes proprietary software | Apr 10 09:22 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I reckon Michael Richards borrowed his style | Apr 10 09:24 |
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| oiaohm | http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler .Net on iphone is now breach of licence | Apr 10 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Indeed, I wouldn't touch an i-Prod with a 100ft pole, however, I don't have unlimited funds either" http://identi.ca/conversation/27938570#notice-27980581 | Apr 10 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | Gr..... I'm tired of writing about hypePad | Apr 10 09:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I know | Apr 10 09:49 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it yesterday | Apr 10 09:49 |
| schestowitz | But Novell made an announcement | Apr 10 09:49 |
| oiaohm | so is a lot of other things schestowitz | Apr 10 09:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically apple platform has become way more restrictive. | Apr 10 09:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @schestowitz: Economist Calls for Shortening of #Copyrights http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15868004 | Apr 10 09:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz @openuniverse "boycott" sounds too negative; I _never_ chose the name "boycott Novell" // you can change it, you know. | Apr 10 09:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Your friends and family may get on your nerves today as they b... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 10 10:06 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: because people let them get away with it | Apr 10 10:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I do | Apr 10 10:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "we now consider the speed it takes for a website to load when ranking it in #Google search results" #adsense http://bit.ly/b78fzV #pagerank | Apr 10 10:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Polish president Lech Kaczynski feared dead after plane crash in western Russia, killing at least 87 people | Apr 10 10:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If you want to fool us, don’t treat us like idiots | Frank Skinner - Times Online http://tinyurl.com/y4nzxfq | Apr 10 10:19 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: If you want to fool us, don’t treat us like idiots | Frank Skinner - Times Online .::. Size~: 102.67 KB | Apr 10 10:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://www.infowars.com/the-end-of-the-internet-as-we-know-it-in-britain/ | Apr 10 10:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest examples — as illustrated by news items — of #Microsoft ’s strategy with #OpenSource / #Freesoftware http://ur1.ca/ue7r | Apr 10 10:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] bbc branch out into new media http://is.gd/bmNBb | Apr 10 10:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lawyers’ event pushes for UPLS; New Zealand faces lawyers’ wrath (greed); #TurboHercules has presence in Seattle http://ur1.ca/ueah | Apr 10 10:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@spymaami INTERNET PEOPLE, hope nobody got pregnant last night. Wait.. // a kind of reproductive Earth Hour? | Apr 10 11:59 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @debarshiray: Get well soon, @abbe. | Apr 10 12:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 US retains 90 nukes on Iran border http://bit.ly/9nbqOp //NO reason for #Iran to be paranoid-between this arsenal & #Israel | Apr 10 12:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] SchoolOS mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/schoolos #schoolos | Apr 10 13:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Every day Livejournal feels more like a dying mall, with boarded up stores and a food court with three places operating" http://is.gd/bmXJk | Apr 10 13:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to avoid DRM: increase your country's level of piracy http://is.gd/bmXOH #debill #deact | Apr 10 13:44 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 10 13:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "King Ralph" to be remade in Poland | Apr 10 13:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] CATHOLICS: If you give your church any money, this is what you subsidise hence share responsibility for. http://is.gd/bmZX3 Please stop. | Apr 10 14:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I really wonder if the Sudanese government has heard of #Linux and Free Software yet. :-) @mmahgoub | Apr 10 14:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] OR more importantly, the Sudanese people for that matter. @mmahgoub | Apr 10 14:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #US slaps import duties on Chinese #steel pipe http://bit.ly/beQQh1 // don't stop there! #walmart #china | Apr 10 14:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followsaturday Just found myself favourit'ing @shoq and @johnleesandiego back to back. Others may like. | Apr 10 14:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Excuse me, what issue exactly? @mmahgoub | Apr 10 15:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I see. Please keep me updated of any good news about Free Software adoption in our beloved Sudan. Good luck en sha'a Allah! ^_^ @mmahgoub | Apr 10 15:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] It's a lovely day therefore I'm in a queue with a car full of rubbish at the municipal refuse centre. | Apr 10 15:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Reviewing the reviewer: Matt Preston giving a pale imitation of @gilescoren? http://bit.ly/bPWgn2 #melbourne #food | Apr 10 15:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why does scumbag @DonBlankenship remind me pungently of Bernie Madoff and James A Ray (apart from the obvious sociopathic #greed) #massey | Apr 10 15:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why does scumbag @DonBlankenship remind me pungently of Bernie Madoff and @JamesARay (apart from the obvious sociopathic #greed) #massey | Apr 10 15:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Firstly, @JamesARay & @DonBlankenship killed a few ppl in their line of profit. Secondly,they tweet banal homilies like human desk calendars | Apr 10 15:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Now a jail cell with those three would be a rather nasty place; let's hope they get, at least, long leases on separate and very secure cells | Apr 10 15:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Nautilus Script Pack - must try http://post.ly/ZHxe | Apr 10 15:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Phew! Timed my dump-visit well, the queue is now about a mile long! | Apr 10 15:59 | |
| schestowitz | Weird rant: http://blogs.computerworld.com/15906/linuxs_worst_enemies_linux_fans | Apr 10 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Just been out with some friends, now SJVN labels "Linux fans" an enemy | Apr 10 16:11 |
| schestowitz | He's a Linux fan, I'm one who cares about rights and freedoms | Apr 10 16:11 |
| schestowitz | "Steven - I find it interesting that the one person that takes the greatest pleasure in inciting the flame wars on this blog creates an article like this." | Apr 10 16:12 |
| schestowitz | "I see the hypocrite returns" | Apr 10 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, hypocrite | Apr 10 16:12 |
| schestowitz | "Wait a minute, are we supposed to empathize with a company that refuses to admit it sent employees and equipment into the Concentration Camps of WWII to help the Nazis organize the killing of tens of millions of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and POWs?" | Apr 10 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Wow, how far he does to defend IBM.. | Apr 10 16:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 10 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Might I suggest those attacking IBM take a long, hard look at what they're really doing and which side of the open-source debates they're really on. | Apr 10 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Last, but not least, might I suggest that anyone who thinks that extremism for one side or another in the various open-source debates is a virtue contemplate this classic John Cleese video. | Apr 10 16:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 10 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Ha. | Apr 10 16:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] For those who want to contribute to Open Source/ Free Software http://post.ly/ZIHy | Apr 10 16:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Downloading an Ubuntu Lucid Beta 2 ISO to try on the iMac | Apr 10 16:25 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Google to support development ogg/theora for mobile phones: http://tinyurl.com/ydvvvjp #interesting | Apr 10 16:28 | |
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| schestowitz | > he only became interested in the whole Digital Economy Bill thing after | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > vacationing with David Geffen | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > <http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090816/2111135888.shtml>, the former | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > recording industry and movie industry mogul. After that, he suddenly | Apr 10 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | > pushed through the bill which went directly against the recommendations | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > of the Gov't's own Digital Britain committee. | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > Then we get to the ignorant. Perhaps the most stunning is that, via | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > Kevin Marks <http://twitter.com/kevinmarks/statuses/11827967230>, we now | Apr 10 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | > learn that Digital Britain Minister Stephen Timms, who was in charge of | Apr 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz | > pushing the bill through, didn't even understand what an "IP address" | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > means. In a letter to an MP, he explained "IP" as an "Intellectual | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > Property Address." | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > And Carlo points us to a message from Will Tovey | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > <http://twitter.com/WillTovey/statuses/11828716610> noting that the | Apr 10 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | > Digital Economy Bill originally called an IP address an "Internet | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > Portal" address. These are the people you want deciding the basic | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > internet setup in your country? | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100408/1003328938.shtml | Apr 10 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz as it should be. suckering people into thinking they're being given freedom while taking it away just isn't cool" http://identi.ca/conversation/27934317#notice-28009340 | Apr 10 16:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27938457#notice-28009518 | Apr 10 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/03/30/japan.video.game.rape/index.html | Apr 10 16:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] If you want to contribute Free and Open Source Software in india - Please join here http://groups.google.com/group/oscontrib | Apr 10 17:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] My Main Blog can be accessed via http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com #narendrasisodiya #blog #foss | Apr 10 17:19 | |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.adobe.com/cantrell/archives/2010/04/one_application_five_screens.html | Apr 10 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm.... looks eerily familiar | Apr 10 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Looks similar to mine, too http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Othello-Master-Screenshot-19021.html | Apr 10 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3875591/Tech-Comics-Why-the-iPad-is-Better.htm | Apr 10 17:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Happy Easter Island" http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=happy_easter_island&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 :-) | Apr 10 17:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] أمسينا و أمسا الملك لله. لا إله إلا الله وحده لا شريك له. له الملك و له الحمد يحيي و يميت بيده الخير و هو على كل شيء قدير. | Apr 10 17:50 | |
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| schestowitz | here's a nice feature. You highlight, hit CTRL+ENTER, than make suggestions: http://www.calculate-linux.org/blogs/show/106 | Apr 10 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: any new logo yet? | Apr 10 18:01 |
| Eruaran | hi schestowitz | Apr 10 18:01 |
| Eruaran | Not anything I'm happy with | Apr 10 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Thanks OK, no hurry | Apr 10 18:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why is LinuxDevices promoting Apple software? http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/WebKit-2/?kc=rss | Apr 10 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | We haven't swapped domains yet, either | Apr 10 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'm waiting for tessier to help me do this | Apr 10 18:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "How many lines of computer code have you written in your lifetime?" http://ur1.ca/ug4x | Apr 10 18:22 | |
| Eruaran | I can't believe how many people are all enthused about helping someone bring linux-style package management to Windows | Apr 10 18:22 |
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| Eruaran | It's ridiculous | Apr 10 18:23 |
| Eruaran | People are so stupid | Apr 10 18:23 |
| Eruaran | yay lets all get enthused about maybe doing the single most unethical corporation in the computing world a favour | Apr 10 18:23 |
| Eruaran | Stalin used to call such people "useful idiots" | Apr 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Analyst goes back to school... "This interview was not why started taking an Introduction to Statistics course down at the Harvard Extension School. It was published the month I started class. But this statement is precisely the justification for my weekly trips down to Boston January through May." http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2010/04/07/why-im-taking-statistics/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tecosystems+% | Apr 10 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | 28tecosystems%29 | Apr 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, "useful idiots" | Apr 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I no longer use that term because the trolls who hate me warp it to say I'm a commie or something | Apr 10 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Microsoft's tricks have become more secretive | Apr 10 18:25 |
| schestowitz | From my next post: http://www.tacd-ip.org/blog/2010/04/06/open-standards-under-siege-in-the-european-union/ | Apr 10 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Nevertheless, openness still seems to be considered a dirty word in a number of official corridors of Brussels that are probably under the well-organized lobbying efforts of the Microsoft empire (according to some malicious rumours difficult to believe the campaign is being promoted by “revolving door” European Commission officials who returned to public service after a number of years of “leave” on the Microsoft payroll). | Apr 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | According to many observers this US IT giant is trying to counter-attack after taking heavy blows and fines precisely from the new Digital Commissioner Nelly Kroes who previously held the post of the EU’s competition czar." | Apr 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | *"Neelie" he meant [ zoobab should watch this too] | Apr 10 18:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @lessig: Colson (Watergate fame): DC "totally corrupted by money ... the political system is sick" http://nyti.ms/9mhEEM | Apr 10 18:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jecho3k: Google soportará un proyecto de optimización de #Ogg #Theora en procesadores #ARM, buena señal http://ur1.ca/ufu8 | Apr 10 18:30 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all. Does anybody remember about a year or two ago, Microsoft getting a US Patent for embedding advertising in an Operating System? | Apr 10 18:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wow. It's like, who do I want to lose more? Phelps vs Hannity: http://twitpic.com/1el6in | Apr 10 18:35 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all. Does anybody remember about a year or two ago, Microsoft getting a US Patent for embedding advertising in an Operating System? iAD http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8610610.stm | Apr 10 18:38 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | this iAD for apple Ipad and Iphones, is for 3rd party apps, but I believe that the MS patent also covered that. | Apr 10 18:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/critical_java_vulnerability/ "The bug in the Java Web Start component has been confirmed exploitable on all recent versions of Windows by Tavis Ormandy, a security researcher who prefers his employer not be named." | Apr 10 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, BN covered that patent | Apr 10 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | could we see a patent war between MS and Apple | Apr 10 18:40 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 10 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Cross-licensing | Apr 10 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> i thought you did | Apr 10 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its a very bogus patent anyway | Apr 10 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as most software patents are | Apr 10 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if not all | Apr 10 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so MS and Apple have cross licencing agreements? | Apr 10 18:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | personally, I would not have minded seeing M$ and Crapple duke it out in a long drawn out expensive court battle | Apr 10 18:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cause it might prove just what a joke these software patents are | Apr 10 18:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its odd that Apple first releases the product like Iphone, and then comes out with these ads | Apr 10 18:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sort of like after people have bought their product, now we can rape them by dumping advertisements on them | Apr 10 18:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Long before I knew about Boycott Novell I commented about this MS patent on MS Watch. To me this advertising MS OS patent was the last stop of windows when no body would buy it anymore. That time has not come yet. | Apr 10 18:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Notice Apple is not trying this on its expensive Mac Intel line of computers. | Apr 10 18:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe,(but not sure) that MS uses ingame advertising on some of the games for the xbox360's. | Apr 10 18:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS tried it with an advertising version of MS Works 9 (available outside of the US only) but withdrew it, as it must have been another failure, or cannabalized its paid product. | Apr 10 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ok, I get out of here for now, and let you folks get back to work. | Apr 10 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://kde.org/announcements/4.3/index.php | Apr 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://news.dzone.com/dose/dzone-daily-dose-410 | Apr 10 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | "At the Tech Heaven event this week, Intel and Carnegie Mellon University unveiled rudimentary mind-reading software that uses an MRI to scan your brainwaves in controlled conditions and recognize their patterns. The person using the technology was shown three concrete words like "barn", "house", and "screwdriver". Then the subject was asked to think of one of the three words, and through the patterns in their brainwaves, the | Apr 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | computer could determine which word the person was thinking about with 90% accuracy. Researchers are hoping to get the MRI technology down to the size of a hat." | Apr 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Junk science and hype | Apr 10 18:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] holy crap: $100 850g 10" ARM netbook http://is.gd/bnfMZ I WANT ONE HT @glynmoody | Apr 10 19:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Now they promote Apple software in ECT... "Bean has sometimes been called a rich text editor, but that doesn't do this app justice." http://www.technewsworld.com/story/69708.html?wlc=1270922813 | Apr 10 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | jono thanks Novell devs... http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/298035:thanks-evolution-developers | Apr 10 19:33 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - that java vulnerability is with the Sun/Oracle runtime | Apr 10 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Ah, here's why jono ain't here. | Apr 10 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | "This week I am in Mexico on vacation with my wife and it has been wonderful getting out and about, catching some rays and and chillin’ by the pool. Mexico is a wonderful place and the people here are just incredible. It has been a wonderful week." | Apr 10 19:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] With minor tunings and #LXDE, #fedora 11 for #olpc XO-1 (build os13.img) is very good, right now! | Apr 10 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSPgoa4UKFo | Apr 10 19:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] /me humming «copying is not theft».... http://tr.im/VeaM | Apr 10 20:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I have an hour before I get ready for a wedding. I go away for a week and get 16 merge proposals for Python Snippets! You people rule! | Apr 10 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPUutjtqfw | Apr 10 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | "ghabuntu: Just want to say thanks for all the support you've lending to me and my blog. I really appreciate it." | Apr 10 21:10 |
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| MrChestofDrawers | hey roy | Apr 10 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] I was not knowing that Krishnakant Mane, foss freedom fighter is on twitter http://twitter.com/kkmane @kkmane #foss #india #mustfollow #orca | Apr 10 21:20 | |
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| schestowitz | What's with the stoopin' picture here? http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp | Apr 10 21:31 |
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| schestowitz | MrChestofDrawers: hey | Apr 10 21:31 |
| MrChestofDrawers | hey roy | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | To Levy, "this is like hiring Rush Limbaugh as your White House correspondent" and expecting to get interviews. Lyons's "most notable professional accomplishment is a vicious satire of Apple." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/06/AR2010040603793.html | Apr 10 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 10 21:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] two good films on today about troubled people, control (ian curtis) aviator (howard hughes), love joy division | Apr 10 21:43 | |
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| schestowitz | http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/04/wikileaks-secure-posting-form-for-anonymous-submissions.html | Apr 10 21:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I finished reviewing all these Python Snippets submissions - read about it at http://is.gd/bnpLH #pythonsnippets | Apr 10 21:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] FOSS tutorials and Videos #foss http://lug-iitd.org/FOSS_Tutorials_and_Videos #links | Apr 10 22:26 | |
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| cubezzz | everyone's telling me x86 is the future | Apr 10 22:31 |
| cubezzz | which appears to be the case everywhere I look | Apr 10 22:31 |
| ender2070 | atom beat arm at power efficiency | Apr 10 22:34 |
| ender2070 | recently | Apr 10 22:34 |
| cubezzz | it did? | Apr 10 22:34 |
| cubezzz | I didn't know that | Apr 10 22:34 |
| ender2070 | yeah it was on slashdot | Apr 10 22:34 |
| ender2070 | atom most efficienct mobile cpu | Apr 10 22:35 |
| cubezzz | I don't see any atom PDA's though | Apr 10 22:35 |
| ender2070 | lots of atom netbooks | Apr 10 22:35 |
| ender2070 | oh it was at power efficient sorting | Apr 10 22:35 |
| ender2070 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/03/29/0251207/Atom-Processors-Set-New-Record-For-Power-Efficient-Sorting?art_pos=4 | Apr 10 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Hardware Story | Atom Processors Set New Record For Power-Efficient Sorting .::. Size~: 144.06 KB | Apr 10 22:35 |
| cubezzz | someone might be astroturfing for intel | Apr 10 22:36 |
| cubezzz | but probably not | Apr 10 22:36 |
| ender2070 | its a benchmarking tool based on sorting records | Apr 10 22:36 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, I was thinking about getting an Amiga 3000 | Apr 10 22:37 |
| ender2070 | It reached a maximum efficiency of 36,400 records sorted per joule for 100GB of data, using an Intel Atom 330 processor, 4GB of RAM, and four 256GB SSDs by flash vendor Super Talent Technology. | Apr 10 22:37 |
| cubezzz | the video and sound chips are fully documented :) | Apr 10 22:37 |
| ender2070 | im on a programming marathon right now | Apr 10 22:37 |
| ender2070 | just taking a short break | Apr 10 22:37 |
| cubezzz | so you should switch to Amiga :) | Apr 10 22:38 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 10 22:38 |
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| ender2070 | and write apps for the 10 users? | Apr 10 22:38 |
| cubezzz | 11 now, lol | Apr 10 22:38 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 10 22:38 |
| ender2070 | but i might have a bigger audience coding for win16's 20 users still operating Windows 3.11 | Apr 10 22:39 |
| cubezzz | you can't program your registers... | Apr 10 22:39 |
| cubezzz | not very efficient | Apr 10 22:39 |
| cubezzz | well you could switch to windows, that has more users | Apr 10 22:40 |
| ender2070 | i would have to learn to code for an OS that can't handle lots of ram | Apr 10 22:40 |
| cubezzz | using similar logic | Apr 10 22:40 |
| ender2070 | making me code more tightly | Apr 10 22:40 |
| cubezzz | sounds like a win-win to me :) | Apr 10 22:41 |
| ender2070 | or i could learn to code for dos | Apr 10 22:41 |
| cubezzz | nooooo | Apr 10 22:41 |
| ender2070 | 640K ram limit to work with | Apr 10 22:41 |
| cubezzz | well, anyways, I've been there done that :) | Apr 10 22:41 |
| ender2070 | minus the TSR's that can't be moved to upper memory | Apr 10 22:41 |
| ender2070 | heh | Apr 10 22:41 |
| cubezzz | Amiga's could address a lot of memory | Apr 10 22:41 |
| ender2070 | for dos i used to code in qbasic | Apr 10 22:41 |
| ender2070 | when i was in grade 6 | Apr 10 22:42 |
| cubezzz | at least use QuickC :) | Apr 10 22:42 |
| ender2070 | quickc? | Apr 10 22:42 |
| ender2070 | openwatcom | Apr 10 22:42 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft's C compiler for students in the 80s | Apr 10 22:42 |
| cubezzz | no, actually don't do that | Apr 10 22:42 |
| ender2070 | http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Main_Page | Apr 10 22:42 |
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| cubezzz | that was a waterloo invention wasn't it? | Apr 10 22:44 |
| cubezzz | I think I actually used it once or twice | Apr 10 22:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bored and out of internet. plz to give me an interesting link. | Apr 10 22:44 | |
| cubezzz | I even used Waterloo Structured Basic in the early 80's :) | Apr 10 22:45 |
| cubezzz | if I could find the roms for it my PET programs could live again :) | Apr 10 22:46 |
| ender2070 | i programmed basic in grade 6 | Apr 10 22:46 |
| ender2070 | i didnt get too far into it | Apr 10 22:46 |
| ender2070 | i made a fake format utility that made people think they messed up their pc | Apr 10 22:46 |
| cubezzz | yeah well in grade 6 PC' didn't exist :) | Apr 10 22:46 |
| ender2070 | i also modified qbasic gorilla's to make the bomb explosions bigger | Apr 10 22:47 |
| ender2070 | in grade 10 i did programming in school with the "Turing" language | Apr 10 22:47 |
| ender2070 | i also did a bit of Visual Basic | Apr 10 22:47 |
| ender2070 | i made some gui apps with vb | Apr 10 22:47 |
| cubezzz | all Microsoft inventions, they indoctrined you young | Apr 10 22:48 |
| ender2070 | remote control programs like subseven | Apr 10 22:48 |
| cubezzz | somehow you broke free though :) | Apr 10 22:48 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 10 22:48 |
| ender2070 | i was forced to use IE | Apr 10 22:48 |
| cubezzz | indoctrinated | Apr 10 22:48 |
| cubezzz | well a good programmer should be adaptable | Apr 10 22:49 |
| ender2070 | when i say forced, i mean literally | Apr 10 22:49 |
| ender2070 | we could install any program on any pc except a browser | Apr 10 22:49 |
| ender2070 | i even had a copy of netscape on my network drive (netware, G: in windows) | Apr 10 22:49 |
| cubezzz | you must be in lock-step with your fellow man | Apr 10 22:49 |
| ender2070 | if i was caught running it i would get in trouble | Apr 10 22:49 |
| ender2070 | because netscape didnt have content filtering | Apr 10 22:50 |
| cubezzz | damn, I wonder what they would have done if you put AROS on it :) | Apr 10 22:50 |
| cubezzz | just adding a browser isn't a big deal | Apr 10 22:50 |
| cubezzz | you can't even remove IE | Apr 10 22:50 |
| cubezzz | well schools aren't very progressive | Apr 10 22:51 |
| cubezzz | I wish they were, but in Canada they just aren't | Apr 10 22:52 |
| cubezzz | we'll just have the free thinking 1% as always | Apr 10 22:52 |
| ender2070 | the administrator was just an idiot | Apr 10 22:54 |
| ender2070 | an ms fanboy | Apr 10 22:54 |
| ender2070 | once he was gone I could do whatever I wanted | Apr 10 22:54 |
| ender2070 | he was gone when I was in grade 11 | Apr 10 22:54 |
| ender2070 | which is when I started more serious linux usage | Apr 10 22:55 |
| ender2070 | i even had the approval from the new admin to install linux on a computer of my choice, i had my own reserved machine in the pc lab with linux | Apr 10 22:55 |
| ender2070 | i brought ram in from home to make it faster | Apr 10 22:55 |
| ender2070 | i took a course with that admin on web programming, did some php development on that linux box w/ apache, php | Apr 10 22:56 |
| ender2070 | everyone else was using win98+apache+php | Apr 10 22:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Disappointed that the bluetooth keyboard and mouse on my iMac don't work out of the box on Ubuntu Lucid beta 2. | Apr 10 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <ender2070> schestowitz - that java vulnerability is with the Sun/Oracle runtime | Apr 10 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, not the free versions | Apr 10 22:57 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 10 22:57 |
| schestowitz | BTW, re forced to use IE, I have a post about it coming | Apr 10 22:57 |
| schestowitz | BillG is 'donating' to block Linux | Apr 10 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Libraries say it!! | Apr 10 22:58 |
| ender2070 | ahh | Apr 10 22:58 |
| schestowitz | He makes them stuck... | Apr 10 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.. | Apr 10 22:58 |
| ender2070 | my library has open wifi | Apr 10 22:58 |
| ender2070 | i dont care what software they use | Apr 10 22:58 |
| schestowitz | http://myblog.latestrend.com/general/microsoft-made-choices-libraries-must-respond/ | Apr 10 22:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Made Choices, Libraries Must Respond | My Blog Site!.. .::. Size~: 19.81 KB | Apr 10 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Something odd happened in KDE | Apr 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Some weeks ago memory seems to have stopped leaking | Apr 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I can be in a session for ages with no RAM loss. Uptime now about 150 days. | Apr 10 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I didn't change anything, I don't know why RAM consumption is suddently so well behaved | Apr 10 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/googles-share-of-mobile-market-grows-report-2010-04-05 | Apr 10 23:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google's share of mobile market grows: report - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 84.11 KB | Apr 10 23:01 |
| ender2070 | weird | Apr 10 23:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] entertainment: googling "bucket of cocks" - pr0n and socially-crippled open source programmers. nothing else. | Apr 10 23:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Just took "Which Crazy Writer Are You?" and got: Tom Wolfe! Try it ➔ http://cli.gs/Xvv9V | Apr 10 23:10 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Which Crazy Writer Are You? - ROFLquiz.com .::. Size~: 4.16 KB | Apr 10 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has some ugly gadgets come Monday | Apr 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/iphone-os-4-0-the-great-android-2-1-imitator/ | Apr 10 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: iPhone OS 4.0: The great Android 2.1 imitator « Icrontic Tech .::. Size~: 41.13 KB | Apr 10 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: ping | Apr 10 23:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] anti-microsoft rant of the day http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/8541/162290.aspx#162290 | Apr 10 23:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh man. http://is.gd/bnuOf http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108401895855208&ref=nf | Apr 10 23:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] _ @ShowMeDo Why don't you put video in ogg format ? I do not use flash ! Use Open format of video. | Apr 10 23:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=Diane+Hagglund+microsoft&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Apr 10 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Diane Hagglund microsoft - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.3 KB | Apr 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Could she be a former employee? | Apr 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | One-man analyst firm | Apr 10 23:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dimensionalresearch.com/blog/about/ | Apr 10 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: About Diane Hagglund | Technology Market Research | Dimensional Research Blog .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Apr 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | being used as Vista7 booster | Apr 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/347832/IT_s_Love_Affair_With_Windows_XP_Ending?taxonomyId=125 | Apr 10 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IT's 'Love Affair' With Windows XP Ending - Computerworld .::. Size~: 75.04 KB | Apr 10 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] TO all human beings - Today GOD came in my dream. He ordered to use ODF and OGG format. #odf #ogg #god ;) | Apr 10 23:36 | |
| MinceR | which god? | Apr 10 23:37 |
| MinceR | me? | Apr 10 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 'Now I am thinking, "What exactly is going on here? Is choking on a bucket of cocks not a good source of randomness?"' http://is.gd/bnvkU | Apr 10 23:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I'm looking through googling "bucket of cocks" and my own previous tweet has already shown up. o_0 | Apr 10 23:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Matthew Garret will always be angry, even if someone really did choke on a bucket of cocks." http://www.bisnatch.net/DD.txt | Apr 10 23:49 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.benzinga.com/205660/apple-microsoft-and-alan-greenspan "Mr. Greenspan said that he sat through innumerable meetings at the Fed with crack economists, and not one of them warned of the problems that were to come. By Mr. Greenspan’s logic, anyone who might have foreseen the housing bubble would have been invited into the ivory tower, so if all those who were there did not hear it, then no one could have said it." | Apr 10 23:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @eduvid yeah, he doesn't cross-license | Apr 10 23:53 | |
| schestowitz | What inane and infantile writing. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/04/06/businessinsider-apples-ipad-could-choke-google-android-development-2010-4.DTL | Apr 10 23:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple's iPad Could Choke Google Android Development (AAPL, GOOG) .::. Size~: 105.51 KB | Apr 10 23:55 |
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