10.31.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 30th, 2008 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:10 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

_Doug	promise them the sun moon and stars .. until you get their money …	Oct 30 18:08
schestowitz	Ecosystem, not just business	Oct 30 18:08
schestowitz	IDC, Gartner, Novell and other allies are paid too.	Oct 30 18:09
_Doug	corruption is only if you get caught	Oct 30 18:09
schestowitz	As someone who mails me says, “it’s more like a religion or political movement”	Oct 30 18:09
schestowitz	_Doug: they got caught.	Oct 30 18:09
schestowitz	They paid for allegation to go away	Oct 30 18:09
_Doug	more like a cult .. n/l	Oct 30 18:09
schestowitz	Ironically, they call /others/ that.	Oct 30 18:10
schestowitz	They call Linux/FOSS religion and Apple a “cult”	Oct 30 18:10
schestowitz	Sometimes it’s easier to put labels on a minority, but there ya go..	Oct 30 18:10
_Doug	example: man leases Supermarket, hos no money or stock ..	Oct 30 18:10
_Doug	uses Supermarket as colateral to buy foodstock on credit ..	Oct 30 18:11
_Doug	sells foodstock and pays off creditors	Oct 30 18:11
_Doug	is technically fraudalent	Oct 30 18:12
_Doug	but what the left-hand don’t know, don’t matter ..	Oct 30 18:12
_Doug	that man is now a Lord …	Oct 30 18:12
_Doug	example #2: have only £10 grand ..	Oct 30 18:14
_Doug	Get a loan for a 100 at 10% interest ..	Oct 30 18:14
_Doug	pay off loan immediatly and get another loan for 1000 at 10% interest ..	Oct 30 18:15
_Doug	bump it up four times and use the sum to finance an apartment block ..	Oct 30 18:15
_Doug	sell apartment block at 4X the price and pocket the rest ..	Oct 30 18:16
_Doug	not a bad days worth for 10 grand ..	Oct 30 18:16
schestowitz	http://radian.org/notebook/the-green… “[T]he Times’ Bits blog has a fascinating post putting Greenspan’s comments about risk management systems in context. In short, computers don’t help if you lie to them.”	Oct 30 18:17
twitter	People who lie to their computers are generally using their computer to lie to others.	Oct 30 18:22
schestowitz	Sent by a reader: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=961588 “The best solution is to avoid Mono and go back to Java Server Pages.”	Oct 30 18:24
schestowitz	“From the stupidity has its own punishment department”	Oct 30 18:24
schestowitz	twitter: let’s sue teh computers. “The Big Machines,” as George W B calls ‘em.	Oct 30 18:25
PetoKraus	LOL roy	Oct 30 18:26
PetoKraus	nice catch	Oct 30 18:26
PetoKraus	schestowitz: testing your mandriva	Oct 30 18:28
schestowitz	Mine?	Oct 30 18:28
PetoKraus	yes, your beloved	Oct 30 18:28
schestowitz	You should have seen what their community manager said about Ubuntu.	Oct 30 18:28
PetoKraus	link?	Oct 30 18:29
schestowitz	http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/10/28/why-… (personal opinion, not Mandriva)	Oct 30 18:29
schestowitz	I use Ubuntu at work and at home, but not just that.	Oct 30 18:29
schestowitz	Tip on Mono smacking: “Cool. Be sure to constantly steer back to the original, working technologies — the ones also without the legal landmines.”	Oct 30 18:30
neighborlee	what exactly is the lowdown on ubuntu and mono..because they are based in UK wherever they are,, does this make them legally unaffected by patents or does it depends where iso is downloaded from ?	Oct 30 18:37
neighborlee	downloaded from,,or where OS is used is more appropriate I guess	Oct 30 18:38
twitter	Happy Assassin’s analogy forgets to mention the M$ Mafia having screwed everyone for decades.	Oct 30 18:38
twitter	Shuttleworth’s personal “dive bomb” has gotten him places “fair” competition could not. Good for Shuttleworth and free software.	Oct 30 18:39
twitter	Other distros will be happy when the M$ monopoly is broken.	Oct 30 18:40
neighborlee	it wont happen I dont think anytime soon until people that install linux see a stable system where all hardware and software works as expected.	Oct 30 18:40
neighborlee	apps, games, you name it..its a huge uphille battle.	Oct 30 18:40
twitter	HP sees that already.	Oct 30 18:41
twitter	So do Lenovo, Asus, Acer and others.	Oct 30 18:41
neighborlee	well if latest ubuntu release is any indication..I find that slightly hard to believe.	Oct 30 18:41
neighborlee	apport isn’t even enabled by default in stable releases..thats just crazy.	Oct 30 18:42
neighborlee	imho anyway	Oct 30 18:42
twitter	apport?	Oct 30 18:42
neighborlee	yes	Oct 30 18:42
neighborlee	crasn handler	Oct 30 18:42
neighborlee	crash	Oct 30 18:42
schestowitz	Just posted, about EU and UK patents: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Oct 30 18:43
twitter	I don’t know. I’m on Lenny. Lenny’s got some bugs now, so Ubuntu will have bugs. They get fixed.	Oct 30 18:43
schestowitz	_Doug: thanks for the input. I’m doing lots of SCO quotes today.	Oct 30 18:43
neighborlee	twitter: stuff happens yes	Oct 30 18:43
twitter	After eight years of GNU/Linux use, I’m sure free software is ready for everyone.	Oct 30 18:43
neighborlee	intrepid was released with a wonky cd drive mechanism..umount issues..to me thats just wrong,,QA has gone into the crapper imo.	Oct 30 18:44
neighborlee	twitter: for the most part prob. so yes	Oct 30 18:44
twitter	The only thing I’ve missed has been 3d acceleration. That’s on the way.	Oct 30 18:44
neighborlee	?	Oct 30 18:44
neighborlee	you mean your not using proprietary drivers ?	Oct 30 18:45
twitter	Right.	Oct 30 18:45
neighborlee	ah ok	Oct 30 18:45
neighborlee	well I cant live without them..I game	Oct 30 18:45
neighborlee	and well I use blender3d	Oct 30 18:45
neighborlee	so its not possible here.	Oct 30 18:45
twitter	Care to share some of your blender work?	Oct 30 18:45
neighborlee	interesting article about mandriva vs canonical hehe	Oct 30 18:45
PetoKraus	neighborlee: what graphics card do you have?	Oct 30 18:46
neighborlee	twitter: nothing online atm, but sure I can do that latre if you wish	Oct 30 18:46
neighborlee	PetoKraus: nvidia 8800 GTX 768MB	Oct 30 18:46
twitter	no hurry, there’s plenty of entertainment in the world.	Oct 30 18:46
PetoKraus	neighborlee: i’ve had some successes on ATI open source drivers ‘n’ gaming	Oct 30 18:46
PetoKraus	neighborlee: aha	Oct 30 18:46
neighborlee	ive heard too many horror stories about ati and linux..sorry no yet	Oct 30 18:46
twitter	Nvidia is the only company that’s not playing free software ball now and their non free drivers work.	Oct 30 18:47
neighborlee	plus this card was a really good deal…Idont mind using nvidia drivers either its a non issue to m e.	Oct 30 18:47
PetoKraus	it’s much better than nVidia right now	Oct 30 18:47
twitter	Intel works OK.	Oct 30 18:47
schestowitz	neighborlee: in the future, avoid NVidia.	Oct 30 18:47
neighborlee	well as I say..it was economics that drove my purchase	Oct 30 18:47
schestowitz	I have NVidia on this machine.	Oct 30 18:47
schestowitz	At work I have ATI	Oct 30 18:47
PetoKraus	i guess AMD Fusion is very nice idea	Oct 30 18:48
PetoKraus	good for most users	Oct 30 18:48
PetoKraus	Puma is actually very good, though, poor adaptation so far	Oct 30 18:48
twitter	Sooner or later Nvidia will have to play too.	Oct 30 18:48
PetoKraus	like, 3 models….	Oct 30 18:48
schestowitz	We need to reward AMD/ATI to encourage better open source drivers. NVidia is defective and a lost cause. Let them perish or see the light.	Oct 30 18:48
schestowitz	AMD CPU + ATI is a good combination. No VIA, no Intel, no NVidia..	Oct 30 18:48
neighborlee	twitter: they claim they can’t atm..patents on certain parts of their cards ?	Oct 30 18:48
twitter	then let them perish	Oct 30 18:49
neighborlee	schestowitz: yeah I agree on that	Oct 30 18:49
schestowitz	twitter: yes, when people say “no” to NVidia, then they’ll change.	Oct 30 18:49
PetoKraus	schestowitz: they are doing Fusion platform, i dunno if you heard	Oct 30 18:49
twitter	What ATI boards do you recommend for free drivers?	Oct 30 18:49
schestowitz	If you feed a yelling prisoner, he’ll keep yelling.	Oct 30 18:49
PetoKraus	it’s basically GPU incorporated on CPU	Oct 30 18:49
_Doug	1990-1995: Microsoft’s Yellow Road to Cairo ..	Oct 30 18:49
PetoKraus	twitter: just have a look on phoronix	Oct 30 18:49
_Doug	http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4….	Oct 30 18:49
neighborlee	however another reason I avoided ati, was their use of DX ,,nvidia has always been strong on ogl.	Oct 30 18:49
neighborlee	that and my friends all use nvidia.	Oct 30 18:50
neighborlee	so ..	Oct 30 18:50
PetoKraus	well, not really	Oct 30 18:50
PetoKraus	geforce 8800, reportedly, has much worse performance on OGL than DirectX	Oct 30 18:50
neighborlee	oh lovely	Oct 30 18:50
PetoKraus	they had to pick between DX10 and OGL, afawk	Oct 30 18:50
schestowitz	NVidia has manufacturing problems. Very serious ones.	Oct 30 18:50
neighborlee	well atm I do most gaming in winblows	Oct 30 18:50
neighborlee	sad to say	Oct 30 18:50
schestowitz	I alwayty fear that the GPU will start acting up	Oct 30 18:50
schestowitz	Even Apple PCs with NVidia are affected.	Oct 30 18:51
schestowitz	And that’s not FUD. NVidia told this to its shareholders. If got sued anyway, I think… for downplaying it.	Oct 30 18:51
neighborlee	is there url for this	Oct 30 18:52
twitter	I look at phoronix and find 11 page articles. Are there free software drivers for ATI yet that work?	Oct 30 18:53
neighborlee	faik, not even ati gives free drives for their ‘new’ cards.	Oct 30 18:55
twitter	Intel did and they hate free software.	Oct 30 18:56
MinceR	funny how intel gpu-s have the best driver support	Oct 30 18:56
neighborlee	and the least performance	Oct 30 18:56
neighborlee	oh well	Oct 30 18:56
_Doug	Rob Enderle demonstrates multi-touch on Windows 7 ..	Oct 30 18:58
_Doug	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn…	Oct 30 18:58
schestowitz	neighborlee: yes, hold on… http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne…	Oct 30 18:58
schestowitz	“Technology analyst Rob Enderle and the BBC’s Rory Cellan-Jones have taken a look.”	Oct 30 18:59
schestowitz	Haha. Rory is the usual MSBBC pal of Ballmer and Gates.	Oct 30 18:59
schestowitz	Funny how all the groupies join efforts to boost Vista 7.	Oct 30 19:00
schestowitz	From http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8332 :	Oct 30 19:00
schestowitz	‘With the exception of Rob Enderle and myself – who were the only two “Professional” journalists and analysts present at the event as far as I could tell — the entire guest list was stacked with Open Source community folks, such as William Hurley, BMC Software’s Chief Open Source strategist and David Recordon, the the founder of OpenID.’	Oct 30 19:00
schestowitz	‘Starting from the cocktail mixer at the Bellevue Hyatt on the Tuesday evening that I got there and introducing myself to each attendee, it became increasingly apparent that this was no typical analyst/press/blogger Microsoft meet and greet.’	Oct 30 19:00
schestowitz	Cocktails… parties… Microsoft… Enderle.	Oct 30 19:00
schestowitz	Bringing in bloggers and IBM employees for some drinks (not Kool-Aid per se)	Oct 30 19:01
twitter	here’s something useful – https://help.ubuntu.com/commun…	Oct 30 19:01
twitter	” we were locked in a presentation room from 8:30 to 5:30 each day” Contain them! Don’t let them teach our staff anything.	Oct 30 19:05
_Doug	powerpoint demos .. but not the actual ‘stuff’ ?	Oct 30 19:05
twitter	Sounds like it’s all vapor, ” was usually prefaced or ended by “Oh yeah, by the way, Miguel de Icaza pretty much has all this stuff ported to Linux already, and if it isn’t working now, we’re gonna make it work really soon.””	Oct 30 19:07
twitter	really soon now, we promise	Oct 30 19:07
twitter	just eat this green apple	Oct 30 19:08
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twitter	they taste great with kool aid.	Oct 30 19:09
twitter	Cue Cat. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=…	Oct 30 19:17
twitter	Shuttleworth says he can fund Canonical for another 3 to 5 years. That ought to be long enough for M$ to be gone.	Oct 30 19:19
twitter	http://linux.slashdot.org/a…	Oct 30 19:19
schestowitz	I think he sais something different.	Oct 30 19:19
schestowitz	He said it would take 3-5 years to become profitable. That’s different.	Oct 30 19:19
twitter	Ah, let me look for myself.	Oct 30 19:19
netcat_	What does that mean…Canonical is not cash-flow positive	Oct 30 19:21
twitter	That means it’s losing money.	Oct 30 19:21
twitter	“”I have no objection to funding the business for another three to five years,” he said in a conference call Monday. “I certainly have the patience to see us through any downturn. I think this downturn is going to be very good for Canonical…Canonical is not cash-flow positive, but our offering is very effective for those who want to pinch their pennies.”	Oct 30 19:22
netcat_	yeah…until they stop shipping free cd’s	Oct 30 19:22
twitter	He thinks he’ll be making money in two years but is willing and able to fund it for five. No one can predict further than five years.	Oct 30 19:23
schestowitz	Bilski’s is!!	Oct 30 19:23
schestowitz	Great news. Against patentability!!!	Oct 30 19:23
schestowitz	Sorry about the typos/	Oct 30 19:23
twitter	What, the Cue Cat?	Oct 30 19:23
twitter	I thought it was bad news they earned a patent on their backward barcode reader.	Oct 30 19:24
schestowitz	twitter: urgent	Oct 30 19:24
schestowitz	Can you send me the HTML of http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/o…	Oct 30 19:24
trmanco	Ubuntu 8.10 looks a lot prettier then its predecessor	Oct 30 19:25
schestowitz	Other sites want me to publish this	Oct 30 19:25
twitter	ok	Oct 30 19:25
schestowitz	Thanks a MILLION	Oct 30 19:27
schestowitz	I’ll prepare a post for it.	Oct 30 19:27
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twitter	No problem, 2.2 MB on the way. simple and complex format	Oct 30 19:31
neighborlee	schestowitz:http://www.techpowerup.com/in… < oops ?	Oct 30 19:32
schestowitz	twitter: ta	Oct 30 19:33
twitter	pdf integration with konqueror is good enough that I don’t mind that format but I’m happy to help people who just want to read text.	Oct 30 19:33
twitter	or look at images	Oct 30 19:33
schestowitz	The way it’s done by default is excellent.	Oct 30 19:35
twitter	cool	Oct 30 19:35
twitter	M$ down 1.2%, Down up 1.2%, ha ha.	Oct 30 19:35
_Doug	07-1130.html .. done	Oct 30 19:35
_Doug	twitter .. 1.2% is funny ?	Oct 30 19:38
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schestowitz	Freudian slip	Oct 30 19:42
schestowitz	Dow=>Down	Oct 30 19:42
_Doug	is Diamond v. Diehr relevent ?	Oct 30 19:42
_Doug	http://www.oyez.org/cases/1980-1…	Oct 30 19:42
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schestowitz	_Doug: “Argument: Tuesday, October 14, 1980″	Oct 30 20:09
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/forms/bi… http://boycottnovell.com/forms/bil…	Oct 30 20:10
twitter	_Doug, here’s funny, Dow up 2.11%, MSTF down 1.6% at close, a 3.7% parting of ways.	Oct 30 20:20
twitter	Oh my, that is good news about patents.	Oct 30 20:23
twitter	Good bye and good riddance to business method patents.	Oct 30 20:24
twitter	and, hopefully, software patents as a whole.	Oct 30 20:25
twitter	” the invention is not implemented on a specific apparatus	Oct 30 20:25
twitter	and merely manipulates [an] abstract idea and solves a purely mathematical problem	Oct 30 20:25
twitter	without any limitation to a practical application, therefore, the invention is not directed to	Oct 30 20:25
twitter	the technological arts.”	Oct 30 20:25
twitter	slam.	Oct 30 20:25
schestowitz	Vista 7 didn’t impress then, eh?	Oct 30 20:26
twitter	Patent threats no longer impress, that’s for sure.	Oct 30 20:32
twitter	The first reviews of Vista SP2 have not been favorable.	Oct 30 20:33
twitter	I’d start a new failure log but the stories belong in the Vista failure log.	Oct 30 20:34
schestowitz	There’s enough material already for Vista7FailureLog	Oct 30 20:35
schestowitz	http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10076… “”A security issue has been identified that could allow an authenticated remote attacker to compromise your Microsoft Windows-based system and gain control over it,” the security update says.”	Oct 30 20:36
schestowitz	“The more than 6,000 attendees who will be walking away from the sold-out event with the Windows 7 operating system software in hand could have been vulnerable to an attacker exploiting the security hole.”	Oct 30 20:36
twitter	It’s all Windows failure. It’s not like they can do a rewrite.	Oct 30 20:36
schestowitz	Take preactive action.	Oct 30 20:36
schestowitz	Accumulate VIsta 7 failures.	Oct 30 20:36
twitter	Might as well.	Oct 30 20:36
schestowitz	Then present a sort of thesis.. anti-marketing material.	Oct 30 20:36
twitter	Look at this, my trolls have accused me of a “sleazy whisper campaign” http://slashdot.org/comments…	Oct 30 20:37
twitter	The people who made neo nazi name trolls for me have some nerve.	Oct 30 20:38
schestowitz	Lucky I had mod points. Who’s that “Macthorpe” anyway?	Oct 30 20:43
twitter	Just another name troll. I don’t believe anything any of them tell me.	Oct 30 20:44
PetoKraus	wheee	Oct 30 20:45
PetoKraus	modpoints	Oct 30 20:45
PetoKraus		Oct 30 20:45
twitter	Macthorpe and Dedazo accounts have been used to harass me for years.	Oct 30 20:45
schestowitz	Gremlins are noises in one’s head.	Oct 30 20:45
schestowitz	I got some E-mail about “MS evangelism” hours ago.	Oct 30 20:46
schestowitz	Someone wishes to spill some big beans.	Oct 30 20:46
twitter	that would be more interesting if they had spilled already. the suspense must be killing you.	Oct 30 20:47
schestowitz	There are things we already know. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-…	Oct 30 20:49
schestowitz	(hint: would be nice if a whole book was published about it)	Oct 30 20:49
twitter	They had better hurry up the book before M$ sinks and no one cares anymore.	Oct 30 20:51
_Doug	maybe they are just checking as to what is out there already .. ?	Oct 30 20:54
_Doug	like .. for instance .. comes was never supposed to see the light of day ..	Oct 30 20:55
_Doug	there are very early references as to just what DLLs would do to security ..	Oct 30 20:55
schestowitz	Does the supposed author know about those Comes docs?	Oct 30 20:57
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_Doug	I guess .. just Google on some name …	Oct 30 20:58
schestowitz	Is the Bilski story in /. FP yet? It definitely belongs there.	Oct 30 20:59
schestowitz	http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/30/53003 “In this piece, a reporter is saying according to a conference call he listened to with one of the big bailout recipients, they are way more interested in using that capital to gobble up competition, use it for more acquisitions in other words, than in making new loans.”	Oct 30 21:01
_Doug	remind me of Bilski .. I lose track of the fud sometimes ..	Oct 30 21:01
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/30…	Oct 30 21:02
twitter	something made it to /. http://yro.slashdot.org/articl…	Oct 30 21:04
_Doug	http://yro.slashdot.org/article…	Oct 30 21:05
_Doug	beat me by 200 milliseconds ..	Oct 30 21:05
_Doug	is this in relation to where someone patented insurance on a computer ?	Oct 30 21:06
_Doug	no .. “commodities trading”	Oct 30 21:06
schestowitz	I’ve put links to the HTMLs there.	Oct 30 21:06
_Doug	I can’t wait to see how the amicus.curie are going to spin this ..	Oct 30 21:07
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schestowitz	StopSoftwarePatents says there will be a lobbyists riot	Oct 30 21:08
_Doug	MS evangelism::correction: someone wishes to know what beans are already spilled	Oct 30 21:09
_Doug	have the beans been copied somewhere before they disappear from the originating sites ?	Oct 30 21:11
schestowitz	Yes.	Oct 30 21:13
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co…	Oct 30 21:13
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schestowitz	MP cries mercy for McKinnon < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/… >	Oct 30 21:19
_Doug	all of the beans .. what’s that site with the whole directory tree PXxxxx ?	Oct 30 21:19
schestowitz	http://antitrust.slated.org	Oct 30 21:19
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_Doug	gtg ..	Oct 30 21:20
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schestowitz	Desperate Nvidia accuses ATI of cheating < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/… >	Oct 30 21:21
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/30…	Oct 30 21:30
schestowitz	“Can we kick Miguel de Icaza out of our free software club? He is the worst thing to happen to open source software ever!”	Oct 30 21:30
schestowitz	The Register’s Gavin Clarke is wiping Microsoft’s behind again.. with open-source BS	Oct 30 21:31
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schestowitz	LOL Sarko…! “Semi-barmy kneehigh French premier Nicolas Sarkozy has failed in his attempt to whip from French shelves a voodoo doll bearing his handsome likeness.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10…	Oct 30 21:34
schestowitz	Another patents-obsessed company biting the dust: http://www.pcworld.com/article/153039/.ht… < Alcatel-Lucent Posts Loss >	Oct 30 21:40
schestowitz	Motorola Loses $397M in Q3, Plans Switch to Android < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153056/.html?tk=rss_news >; TSMC Sees Big Revenue Drop, Spending Cuts < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153041/tsmc_… >	Oct 30 21:47
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schestowitz	Good comment: http://www.linux.com/?module=comments&fun…	Oct 30 21:54
schestowitz	Hey, jose	Oct 30 21:54
schestowitz	Let me post your piece.	Oct 30 21:54
jose	hey	Oct 30 21:54
jose	noooooooo	Oct 30 21:54
schestowitz	Give me 2 minutes.	Oct 30 21:54
schestowitz	Yes	Oct 30 21:54
schestowitz	It’s already there anyway.	Oct 30 21:54
schestowitz	It’s already posted.	Oct 30 21:54
jose	i’ll wait to read it, but if we don’t have a good position, i don’t want to be messing with patents	Oct 30 21:55
jose	did you catch what i wrote after you left?	Oct 30 21:55
schestowitz	Yes, I did.	Oct 30 21:55
schestowitz	It’s an ongoing powwow	Oct 30 21:55
jose	if the foss people sue then ms will sue back	Oct 30 21:55
jose	if no sue, then what would motivate writers?	Oct 30 21:55
jose	aside, that was nice about the business patent ruling	Oct 30 21:56
jose	this link appears to be about promoting foss on windows and asking for what other foss people like: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_m…	Oct 30 21:57
schestowitz	There’s no stuff on that.	Oct 30 21:57
schestowitz	Gavin Clarke is shooting from the MS hip again.	Oct 30 21:57
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/…	Oct 30 21:57
schestowitz	I’m pissed off seeing authors who play along with Microsoft’s “we’re open” fakery.	Oct 30 21:58
schestowitz	http://www.networkworld.com/slideshow… ??	Oct 30 21:59
schestowitz	Carla is link to old stuff (months old)	Oct 30 21:59
schestowitz	It seems like readership in that site is descending.	Oct 30 22:00
schestowitz	*linking, not “link’	Oct 30 22:00
twitter	Motorola, ” abandoning the Symbian UIQ operating system, and its proprietary mobile Linux OS, to focus on the Google-backed platform and Microsoft’s Windows Mobile.” from frying pan to fire.	Oct 30 22:00
schestowitz	Windows Mobile is dying.	Oct 30 22:01
schestowitz	Say Cringely, Om Malik, even Microsoft Watch (although not in these words)	Oct 30 22:01
schestowitz	Here’s something I don’t get. http://techdirt.com claims to have over 800,000k subsribers, but it’s PR6 and BN beats it in terms of Netcraft rank and almost in terms of Alex ranks. I know about some readership fakers out there… trying to just attract advertisers.	Oct 30 22:04
schestowitz	*800,000, not 800,000k	Oct 30 22:05
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schestowitz	http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive… “This is just ridiculous. Of course the bad guys will use all the communications tools available to the rest of us. They have to communicate, after all. They’ll also use cars, water faucets, and all-you-can-eat buffet lunches. So what?”	Oct 30 22:24
schestowitz	http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/… “Opera’s engineers have developed a version of Opera Mini that can run on an Apple iPhone, but Apple won’t let the company release it because it competes with Apple’s own Safari browser.”	Oct 30 22:25
MinceR	i wonder why opera bothered	Oct 30 22:28
MinceR	they know crApple can’t stand competition	Oct 30 22:28
schestowitz	http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0…. “Matt Assay? Can you give me a LOL? This is the man who professes to be an advocate of open source yet is a self confessed Apple fan. The irony! IT BURNS!”	Oct 30 22:35
PetoKraus	hehe, my friend updated his ubuntu	Oct 30 22:36
PetoKraus	and he can’t connect using wireless	Oct 30 22:36
PetoKraus	it seems to have uninstalled the wpa-supplicant frontend	Oct 30 22:36
schestowitz	Interesting thoughts in Splashtop: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0…	Oct 30 22:37
schestowitz	Can’t he reinstall it?	Oct 30 22:37
PetoKraus	well, he has to connect using wired	Oct 30 22:37
schestowitz	Oh	Oct 30 22:38
PetoKraus	though – i mean, it’s stupid, upgrade shouldn’t break your system	Oct 30 22:38
schestowitz	I got the feeling that some time ago Canonical started to neglect the desktop to do their Remix thingie because that’s where the money is.	Oct 30 22:38
twitter	upgrades are difficult, that’s why Debian takes so long between releases.	Oct 30 22:39
schestowitz	I hope that I’m wrong, but it they can’t produce a desktop as solid as several other vendors (Mandriva is good), then they should send those users where they belong and do their Remix thing.	Oct 30 22:39
schestowitz	FWIW, it’s messy also with Mac OS and Windows (upgrades don’t work well)	Oct 30 22:39
PetoKraus	twitter: though, debian’s upgrade never broke my system	Oct 30 22:40
PetoKraus	twitter: from etch to lenny, that is	Oct 30 22:40
twitter	that’s cool because lenny is still in testing.	Oct 30 22:40
twitter	I’ve goon from Woody to Sarge to Etch and now Lenny. I’ve only had disk space problems, that I made for myself. Otherwise, Debian upgrades have always been good to me.	Oct 30 22:41
PetoKraus	exactly	Oct 30 22:42
PetoKraus	ubuntu? breaks.	Oct 30 22:42
twitter	Other distributions are better with a binary wipe from a CD, preserving your home directory.	Oct 30 22:42
PetoKraus	though that is too much hassle	Oct 30 22:42
PetoKraus	that’s why i like rolling-release much more	Oct 30 22:43
twitter	A CD install would be a little much every six months.	Oct 30 22:43
twitter	Debian children always have the maximum pain when Debian is about to go stable. They have to pull from SID to differentiate themselves. That’s a useful service and it’s less painful than running SID all the time yourself.	Oct 30 22:46
twitter	but it can break things.	Oct 30 22:46
PetoKraus	well, i am running gentoo ~arch, that means, quite new versions of stuff	Oct 30 22:47
PetoKraus	it tends to be actually more stable than “stable” tree sometimes	Oct 30 22:47
twitter	One of these days, I’m going to have to try that out.	Oct 30 22:47
PetoKraus	don’t…. try arch	Oct 30 22:48
PetoKraus	gentoo is waste of time	Oct 30 22:48
twitter	I waste a lot of time. :)	Oct 30 22:48
PetoKraus	arch is basically even simpler gentoo. Yes, you can’t enable various use flags for your software, but when it breaks, you are reinstalled in almost no time	Oct 30 22:49
schestowitz	It’s an educational thing. Pick your poison. But Mandriva is a sweet ride.	Oct 30 22:49
schestowitz	It hides the terminal from you. All very simply.	Oct 30 22:49
schestowitz	*simple	Oct 30 22:49
PetoKraus	i dunno	Oct 30 22:49
PetoKraus	i didn’t like the KDE4	Oct 30 22:49
PetoKraus	i mean… nothing new	Oct 30 22:49
MinceR	only try arch if you don’t need documentation, ever; and won’t need to downgrade, ever.	Oct 30 22:49
PetoKraus	it seems old.	Oct 30 22:49
schestowitz	OK, I keep finding fakers.	Oct 30 22:50
twitter	“FWIW, it’s messy also with Mac OS and Windows (upgrades don’t work well)” I don’t know about Mac, but Windows upgrades are hell, second only to reinstall. Never, ever, again.	Oct 30 22:50
PetoKraus	schestowitz: fakers?	Oct 30 22:50
schestowitz	This guy who put me in his blogroll claims to have 130,000 readers, but the blog is PR3 and there’s almost nothing happening there. Surely it’s a fake.	Oct 30 22:50
schestowitz	PetoKraus: some site want to market themselves as big, so they make up numbers	Oct 30 22:50
twitter	got to go for a while	Oct 30 22:50
schestowitz	I’ve seen that before. There’s no law against it.	Oct 30 22:51
PetoKraus	it’s just… with all that plasma stuff i expected something really bling-bling. and mandriva’s KDE4 seems, well, nothing new, flashy…	Oct 30 22:51
schestowitz	Can’t trust those numbers anymore.	Oct 30 22:51
schestowitz	*Crunch does that too, but maybe not a faker. I dunno anymore..	Oct 30 22:51
PetoKraus	I liked the idea of gadgets on desktop, though, E has it for quite a long time, only thing is – you can’t rotate them in fancy positions…	Oct 30 22:51
schestowitz	I ripped superkaramba.	Oct 30 22:52
schestowitz	All those widgets are a waste of space and resources.	Oct 30 22:52
schestowitz	You also need to expose them for these widgets to be useful.	Oct 30 22:52
schestowitz	I can attach better meters to panels	Oct 30 22:52
PetoKraus	well, that’s what i am talking about.. In E, they are as resource-using, as, say, shelf	Oct 30 22:52
schestowitz	I think I must change my priorities soon.	Oct 30 22:53
PetoKraus	i expected something macbookish from kde4…	Oct 30 22:53
PetoKraus	i didn’t find it :/	Oct 30 22:53
schestowitz	I’ve been posting to USENET for years, but it’s a lot of work.	Oct 30 22:53
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twitter	http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news…	Oct 30 23:25
twitter	the worst is just starting.	Oct 30 23:25
twitter	decades of anti-competitive practice by the automakers just made their failure bigger and more painful	Oct 30 23:27
MinceR	gn	Oct 30 23:29
schestowitz	GASP	Oct 30 23:30
schestowitz	Bloody heck. That’s a lot of families.	Oct 30 23:30
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jose	i’m going to try go get some sleep….	Oct 30 23:56
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