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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: November 18th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:31 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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MinceR gn Nov 18 00:09
schestowitz Symantec’s John Thompson to retire as CEO < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/… > Nov 18 00:28
PetoKraus hmm, just letting you know: http://pk.gjhak.sk Nov 18 00:43
schestowitz Nice. What does Bergy have to do with this/ Nov 18 00:45
PetoKraus inspiration Nov 18 00:47
PetoKraus the final kick was today’s paper Nov 18 00:48
schestowitz This is nice: http://pk.gjhak.sk/old/ Nov 18 00:48
PetoKraus daily telegraph or what was it Nov 18 00:48
schestowitz Paper? Nov 18 00:48
schestowitz What did it say? Nov 18 00:48
PetoKraus i can’t remember Nov 18 00:48
PetoKraus :P though it kind of enraged me Nov 18 00:48
PetoKraus i’ll have to re-read it and write about it ;) Nov 18 00:49
PetoKraus anyway, tomorrow i gotta get up early. see you Nov 18 00:49
schestowitz Okay, I look forward to it. http://pk.gjhak.sk/pages/feed.xml “The requested URL /pages/feed.xml was not found on this server.”  :-(( Nov 18 00:51
PetoKraus yup, i moved that Nov 18 00:51
PetoKraus bad me Nov 18 00:51
PetoKraus :) Nov 18 00:51
PetoKraus it’s in /old/pages/feed.xml Nov 18 00:52
schestowitz OK, got it, thanks. Nov 18 00:55
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kentma hey schestowitz Nov 18 07:43
*kentma waves to Roy Nov 18 07:43
schestowitz ACK Nov 18 08:46
schestowitz “MSFT19.320.000.00%” Nov 18 08:51
kentma hi roy – Did you post very few News items yesterday, btw? Nov 18 08:56
schestowitz There was a gap on Sat/Sun. Nov 18 08:57
kentma ah, okay… no worries.  I was just concerned that there might be a bug in my script Nov 18 09:01
MinceR oh hai Nov 18 09:14
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schestowitz Boycottt Novell protest videos: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=… http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lhATFqM0Tng Nov 18 10:56
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schestowitz Boycott Novell motion pictures. ;-) http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/18/f… Nov 18 12:16
kentma schestowitz: london hospitals’ systems shut down by virus Nov 18 12:18
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schestowitz WHAT? Nov 18 12:22
schestowitz kentma: got URL? Nov 18 12:22
schestowitz Was it pneumonia? ;-p or Blaster? Nov 18 12:23
kentma not sure – it just came up on News 24;  barts, royal london and one other hospital affected apparently.  It’s reported that systems have been down for 24 hours so far Nov 18 12:23
schestowitz Not surprising. Nov 18 12:25
schestowitz There are many Mac users in London; prepare for some big pressure for change. Nov 18 12:25
schestowitz [not that GNU/Linux are a less vocal group] Nov 18 12:26
kentma true;  I’m waiting for some further confirmation of the story – it doesn’t seem to have hit ceefax or the web sites yet. Nov 18 12:27
kentma Incidentally, real piracy is becoming  a major international issue around Somalia – it’s about time the music and film industries stopped trying to characterise people who make an illicit copy of a CD as akin in some way to murderous kidnappers making ransom demands for £millions. Nov 18 12:30
schestowitz Yes, I’ve been reading about that. I call them Mafiaa now. Nov 18 12:35
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_doug Microsoft penguin .. :) Nov 18 13:40
_doug http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/11/congr… Nov 18 13:40
schestowitz Yes, seen it. Maybe they “didn’t know”. ;-) Nov 18 13:41
schestowitz Linux stole Microsoft’s mascot too. Nov 18 13:41
schestowitz Look at the logo of Mono. Nov 18 13:42
schestowitz Well, Mono is Microsoft’s anyway, so… Nov 18 13:42
_doug got a URL for the mono mascot, or any other examples of MS borrowing the other fellas logo ? Nov 18 13:51
schestowitz Posted Posted half an hour ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/18/… Nov 18 13:52
MinceR “They are indeed open source, but they are not licensed by Microsoft to run anywhere but in SLED.” Nov 18 13:55
MinceR don’t people read the OSD anymore? Nov 18 13:56
MinceR 8. License Must Not Be Specific to a Product Nov 18 13:56
schestowitz Specific… define specific. Nov 18 13:56
schestowitz Specific implementation… or patent coverage? GPLv2 loophole.. Nov 18 13:57
schestowitz RonH and SteveB spent some time thinking this through… how to give the finger to their supplier’s movement and get away with it. Nov 18 13:57
MinceR the OSD is not a legal text, it must be interpreted according to its spirit. Nov 18 14:13
schestowitz Microsoft and Novell have no spirit. They have shareholders. Nov 18 14:14
MinceR still, this makes Mono non-open source. Nov 18 14:15
_doug Yahoo CEO Yang to step down .. Nov 18 14:17
_doug http://news.cnet.com/… Nov 18 14:17
schestowitz Pushed out? Nov 18 14:17
schestowitz The Microsoft cronies will take over. Nov 18 14:17
_doug “Yang will resume his position as chief Yahoo” Nov 18 14:17
_doug What’s a “chief Yahoo” :) Nov 18 14:18
schestowitz Sounds like Cheerleader. Yoohoo. Nov 18 14:20
schestowitz Microsoft has already pointed the company with its cronies… executives, board members, etc. He probably got pushed out by them. Nov 18 14:21
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schestowitz Using technology for a ‘good’ cause.. killing people..  Grenade camera to aid UK troops < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tec… > Nov 18 14:26
MinceR the planet is overpopulated anyway Nov 18 14:26
MinceR the difficult part is choosing whom to kill Nov 18 14:26
schestowitz I don’t agree. Nov 18 14:26
schestowitz I’m in favour of birth control. Death is emotional and atrocious. Nov 18 14:27
MinceR what some people do is atrocious too Nov 18 14:27
MinceR killing them would end the atrocities Nov 18 14:27
schestowitz Does birth control reduce the population in China? Was it effective or are rules ignored? Nov 18 14:27
schestowitz MinceR: the people who do atrocious things are a tiny minority. Nov 18 14:27
schestowitz The vast majority is working class or ‘peasants’. Nov 18 14:28
MinceR still, i’m in favor of killing ballmer, gates, jobs and their partners in crime. Nov 18 14:28
schestowitz Suggesting death (goodness forbid!) is punishing those who are abused. Nov 18 14:28
MinceR they keep wasting valuable oxygen anyway. Nov 18 14:28
schestowitz MinceR: you can’t say that here. Nov 18 14:28
MinceR :) Nov 18 14:28
MinceR sorry. Nov 18 14:28
schestowitz Changing subjects.. Nov 18 14:29
schestowitz I’m reading about Yang now… Nov 18 14:29
schestowitz It has already spread through the channels all morning. He planned it a month ago. Nov 18 14:29
schestowitz [and I can't help recalling all the Microsoft executives leaving to join Yahoo. Yahoo board member Icahn and his 2 board cronies would approve, no? ;-) ] Nov 18 14:30
schestowitz That’s why I hate the US system. It should be hated by all Americans too, but they get told comforting words like “democracy”. It lulls them to sleep. Nov 18 14:31
MinceR funny how the reason for stepping down was said to be his failure to sell to microsoft Nov 18 14:31
MinceR i thought he didn’t want to do that. Nov 18 14:31
schestowitz Intel, which instead of coming to OLPC and asking “how can we help?” went behind the project’s back and schemed to destroy if, as if they pondered, “how can we ruin?” That’s not healthy capitalism. It’s extreme, it’s predatory, it’s bad and it’s destructive. It’s not competition and it only harms the customers. Nov 18 14:31
MinceR capitalism around this planet has long ago stopped being healthy Nov 18 14:31
schestowitz MinceR: he didn’t want to do that. Microsoft had people all around him vexed up, probably even investors who sued (on whose behalf?) Nov 18 14:32
MinceR perhaps the crisis will help motivate governments to fix it Nov 18 14:32
schestowitz They sat on Yahoo for about 7 months and had people so distracted that managers left and projects got derailed that way. Nov 18 14:32
schestowitz The current crisis affects my family very negatively troo. Nov 18 14:33
schestowitz *too Nov 18 14:33
schestowitz People who I speak to lost a lot. They just don’t talk about it openly, just discreetly. Nov 18 14:33
schestowitz Now you know who picks up the bill for NASA missions, ‘war’ in Iraq, tax Microsoft refuses to pay, etc. :-) Nov 18 14:34
schestowitz Microsoft’s downgrade of Vista Capable specs ticked off HP < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu… > Nov 18 14:35
schestowitz “I see from the announcement on the OEM website that the rumor I referred to in my earlier message is indeed true.” Nov 18 14:36
schestowitz “You should understand that for a partner who has made a significant investment in meeting the Vista Capable requirement we find it both disappointing and troubling that you would make such a decision without first consulting HP, your biggest global partner.” Nov 18 14:36
schestowitz “I am beyond being upset here. This was totally mismanaged by Intel and Microsoft. What a mess. Now we have an upset partner, Microsoft destroyed credibility, as well as my own credibility shot.” Nov 18 14:36
schestowitz In other news, ARM and Adobe join up [on GNU/Linux devices] < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer… > Nov 18 14:37
schestowitz http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/200… Nov 18 14:42
schestowitz BN in the press: http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/1… Nov 18 14:45
schestowitz http://techdirt.com/articles/2… “While lots of folks are trying to blame one single thing (free markets, regulations, greed, poor people, rich people, bankers, mortgage lenders, hedge funds, short sellers, the President, Congress, etc.), the truth is that almost all of those explanations aren’t just wrong, they’re highly misleading.” Nov 18 14:57
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schestowitz SJVN says: With Yang out, is Microsoft in at Yahoo? < http://blogs.computerworld.com/with_yang… > Nov 18 15:00
schestowitz BN broke the news :-)  Hurtful Google Docs Study Tied To Ex-Microsoft Employees < http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/… > Nov 18 15:04
schestowitz “In a comment on Cutts’ blog, Roy Schestowitz, a doctoral candidate in medical biophysics at Manchester University, free software advocate, and co-editor of BoycottNovell.com, linked to a post on his site that offered an additional explanation for the findings: Two of ClickStream’s employees, CEO and co-founder Cameron Turner and senior research analyst Kim Anderson, used to work at Microsoft.” Nov 18 15:04
schestowitz Burma blogger jailed for 20 years < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi… > Nov 18 15:13
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schestowitz DWW… http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&amp… “While there is a chance that someone would take over (prendre le relais, that is), I am not sure that this will happen soon enough. Will Susan have the time and inspiration to do it? Is Caitlyn willing to help, by chance? Would someone else (say, Eugenia L-Q) wish to contribute?” Nov 18 15:35
schestowitz neighborlee: check out http://boycottnovell.com/200… Nov 18 15:36
schestowitz Or http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2008/11/… Nov 18 15:36
neighborlee ok thx Nov 18 15:36
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neighborlee Why in hell is Ubuntu installing this stuff by default, I don’t know. It’s like asking the local protection racket over for tea < ROFL Nov 18 15:38
schestowitz BN made a strong appearance in two ‘press’ articles today, which is good. Nov 18 15:38
neighborlee :) Nov 18 15:38
schestowitz Carry on pushing them. Nov 18 15:38
neighborlee who is alan anyway ? Nov 18 15:39
schestowitz The Mono Guards are /WRONG/ and they try to convince themselves that nothing’s awry. Nov 18 15:39
schestowitz Alan Lord. I don’t know him much… he’s in UK education thinggies. Nov 18 15:39
neighborlee only people that matters to , are those ignorant of all of this that they can convert,,which equates to immoral behavior..all that which is part of M$, so I guess they should all congratulate themselves ;) Nov 18 15:40
schestowitz They try to convince other people too. Nov 18 15:40
schestowitz Lull them.. Nov 18 15:40
neighborlee and for us its just more e vidence of the corruption and why all this stuff should be avoided..its just more nails in their coffins. Nov 18 15:40
schestowitz It’s good that the press cites us a lot these days. This leads to validation, which makes it hard to opponents of BN to shoot the messenger. They tried. Nov 18 15:41
schestowitz Microsoft does anothing new nasty. Nov 18 15:41
neighborlee yup :) Nov 18 15:41
schestowitz I’m going to write about it later. Nov 18 15:41
schestowitz In short, people escape to Google et al Nov 18 15:41
schestowitz I got a message from my cousin in Florida 2 hours ago. Nov 18 15:41
schestowitz It went like this: Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz “Is it possible to insert a Power Point Presentation on my website? Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz They are becoming more popular lately and some of them are excellent. Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz Mostly they are informational and include tours of cities, natural wonders, Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz or nature and wildlife etc. Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz I have saved several in a folder, awaiting the day I could figure out how to Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz share them with viewers, but I haven’t figured that out yet.” Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz So I pointed him at Google Apps. Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz I wrote: “Have a look at Google Apps Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/busi… Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz Put your presentations there. You can then embed them in the site. Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz You don’t need Microsoft Office anymore. Google Apps is better.” Nov 18 15:42
schestowitz So, in short, as you can see, as people start blogs and all, it’s only natural to do MASHUPS… and you need something that’s Web based to be achievable. Nov 18 15:43
schestowitz Now, here’s the thing. Nov 18 15:43
schestowitz Microsoft knows that people like my cousin can throw their documents at Google Apps and be happy Nov 18 15:43
neighborlee They are indeed open source, but they are not licensed by Microsoft to run anywhere but in SLED. < this is I think where they try to fool people of course but it hasn’t worked. Nov 18 15:43
schestowitz That’s why they made OOXML (among other reasons) Nov 18 15:43
schestowitz OOXML won’t work with Google Apps. Nov 18 15:44
schestowitz And now.. they produce bogus anti-Google Apps studies again… Nov 18 15:44
schestowitz I wrote about this 2 days ago. Nov 18 15:44
neighborlee thats why ive been so adament about this novel thing because its from the same great lovely people behind things like OOXML..I know long ago it was all a major scam. Nov 18 15:44
schestowitz BN’s post about it got cited by ComputerWorld and InformationWeek. Nov 18 15:44
schestowitz http://www.informationweek.com/news/so… http://blogs.computerworld.com/another_day_a… Nov 18 15:45
schestowitz It’s amazing how little traffic ‘big’ sites get. Nov 18 15:45
neighborlee The only thing I dont get , is why fedora takes moonlight off its restricted app list, but mono isn’t listed there ,,any idea on that one ? Nov 18 15:45
schestowitz I see the referral numbers. They are miniscule. Same with Mary Jo Foley’s blog. She cited this post too. Nov 18 15:45
schestowitz You can show your friends in Ubuntu Forums this about Novell (BN in the press): http://www.infoworld.com/article/08… Nov 18 15:46
schestowitz Regarding Fedora, people are still watching. Nov 18 15:46
neighborlee well its obvious..bottom line is as noted here by others is $$$,,people like HEX depend on all this stuff working because he does c# for a living so its not rocket science that they scour forums trying to convince people of mono’s merits ;)) Nov 18 15:47
schestowitz I think the war of words will carry on for quite some time. But BN was never alone. Nov 18 15:47
schestowitz Groklaw was opposing Mono before BN was conceived, IIRC. Nov 18 15:47
schestowitz That is… before Novell signed a patent deal involving Mono. Nov 18 15:47
neighborlee hmm didnt know that. Nov 18 15:47
schestowitz The proponents of Mono try to attribute opposition only to BN Nov 18 15:48
schestowitz That’s bollox. Nov 18 15:48
schestowitz It’s trivialisation of a known issue. Nov 18 15:48
neighborlee yeah well we all know that..but its good talking point for them because it attempts to make those that follow bn look like the proveribal zeals :) Nov 18 15:48
schestowitz Alan has a faker in his blog, claiming to be me and making it seem like I am responsible for everything-mono that’s negative. Nov 18 15:49
neighborlee but it works with some people that dont follow such things for reasons  which are many im sure,,time is a big one for many people , they dont have time to look into all this mess so they just go along … Nov 18 15:49
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schestowitz Hey, Omar87 Nov 18 15:49
schestowitz Have you seen my post about Jordan? Nov 18 15:49
Omar87 Hi, schestowitz. :) Nov 18 15:50
Omar87 schestowitz: That’s what I wanted to ask you about Nov 18 15:50
schestowitz Microsoft insults the people of Jordan: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/18/mi… Nov 18 15:50
Omar87 schestowitz: I can’t seem to find anything about Jordan itself, except it’s name being mentioned. Nov 18 15:51
schestowitz http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Tech… Nov 18 15:51
neighborlee schestowitz,if you can show this groklaw evidence that would go a huge way to dispelling BN myths.. Nov 18 15:52
Omar87 schestowitz: Yeah, I saw that, but that’s Oman, and Amman. :) Nov 18 15:52
schestowitz Which evidence? Nov 18 15:52
schestowitz Ah, that comment? I’ll send it over. Nov 18 15:52
schestowitz Done Nov 18 15:53
Omar87 Oman, NOT Amman. Nov 18 15:53
schestowitz Og! Nov 18 15:53
schestowitz I did a Google search before posting.. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclie… Nov 18 15:54
Omar87 schestowitz: However, it also applies to Jordan too. Nov 18 15:54
schestowitz And there were some results. :–( Nov 18 15:54
schestowitz It’s fixed now. Nov 18 15:55
Omar87 schestowitz: What you may not believe is that, unlike China, the Jordanian government NEVER showed any intent to fight piracy and copyright infringement. :) Nov 18 15:55
schestowitz Why would it? Nov 18 15:56
Omar87 schestowitz: Buying and selling Copied and Pirated CD’s is 10000% legal. Nov 18 15:56
schestowitz To Microsoft, it’s sharing. Nov 18 15:56
schestowitz It suppresses competition. Nov 18 15:56
Omar87 schestowitz: Yeah. Nov 18 15:56
schestowitz But if Microsoft’s profits decline, which they do, then it has to blame something. Nov 18 15:56
Omar87 schestowitz: Exactly. Nov 18 15:57
neighborlee M$ is trying so hard with     360, but wii is winning :) Nov 18 15:58
neighborlee prroof of that is their attempt to make a ‘family oriented game’ in the form of that new one coming up for 360 I guess where you make your own movies or something lol Nov 18 15:59
Omar87 neighborlee: And don’t forget PS3 too. :) Nov 18 15:59
schestowitz They try hard to lose money. Nov 18 15:59
neighborlee yup LOL Nov 18 15:59
schestowitz Soon they might give it for ‘free’ (not) just to show some market share. Nov 18 15:59
neighborlee Omar87, yes ps3 is even further behind atm Nov 18 15:59
neighborlee heh yeah imagine that ;0- Nov 18 15:59
schestowitz XBox… how long before it loses $10 bn for the company? Nov 18 15:59
Omar87 neighborlee: atm? Nov 18 15:59
schestowitz Omar87:yes, Sony loses loads too. Nintendo is happy though. Nov 18 16:00
schestowitz And IBM… which makes all the chips for the consoles. Nov 18 16:00
neighborlee :) Nov 18 16:00
neighborlee Omar87, well if sony lowers cost sometime of console they might start pulling even or such but hmm Nov 18 16:01
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_doug EAL6+ certified system released .. Nov 18 16:01
_doug http://www.ferret.com.au/c/Green-Hills-Softwa… Nov 18 16:01
schestowitz “THE US Government’s National Information Assurance Partnership (NIAP), a collaboration between the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the National Security Agency (NSA), has formally accepted the security evaluation plan for Green Hills Software’s Integrity-178B operating system.” Nov 18 16:03
schestowitz Never heard of it. Does it just boot? ;-) Kind of like Vista 7 on a netbook? Nov 18 16:03
neighborlee schestowitz, sadly, ubuntu has stuck its head in this mess not only by shipping mono out of box , but by disalllowing even civil discourse from entering into mainstream forum areas, and im not the only one to take notice of this  ( another poster mentioned this, just before they moved h is thread to recurring discussions ) Nov 18 16:04
schestowitz Why is CIOL pushing Microsoft lies?  http://www.ciol.com/Enterprise/News-Reports/… Nov 18 16:04
schestowitz Can’t they write actual articles? Nov 18 16:05
neighborlee of course now also does mandriva..debian isn’t nor is of course gentoo and fedora..I still wish fedora would go further and no ship it on the dvd I really dont see what they are doing by only not shipping it on livecd Nov 18 16:05
schestowitz neighborlee: let’s do a post about Ubuntu suppressing feedback. Nov 18 16:05
schestowitz ESSENTIAL feedback. Nov 18 16:05
neighborlee I think thats long overdue yes. Nov 18 16:05
schestowitz Can you collect an example/sample of posts? Nov 18 16:06
schestowitz Something that show the threads being closed? Nov 18 16:06
neighborlee Let mark go up in space and spread mono if it wants to ;)haha Nov 18 16:06
schestowitz As if to say, “the Mono guards have ‘resolved’ the problem.” Nov 18 16:06
neighborlee yup Nov 18 16:06
schestowitz Mission accomplished by Church of Novell. Nov 18 16:06
_doug Gartner fuds Open Source litigation issue .. Nov 18 16:07
_doug http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3538.html Nov 18 16:07
schestowitz I’ll CC Mark S Nov 18 16:07
schestowitz He always responds to me Nov 18 16:07
neighborlee THey just never counted on the loyal opposition to big business and immorality ;) Nov 18 16:07
_doug “companies could face a big intellectual property issue because they are using the software without understanding the IP implications of the licensing language” Nov 18 16:07
schestowitz _doug: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/18/g… Nov 18 16:07
_doug “Gartner found that 69 percent of companies surveyed still have no formal policy for evaluating and cataloguing OSS usage in their enterprise, opening up huge potential liabilities for intellectual-property violations” Nov 18 16:07
Omar87 schestowitz: Are there any boycott novell gadgets that I can add to my Blog? Nov 18 16:08
_doug translation: use Open Source get an expensive lawyer on board, use ‘commercial’ software and woopee no lawyer fees :) Nov 18 16:08
neighborlee http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php… < first post in thread  here, last senetecne of his post..yet another person than me sees this trend of them switch such things over to recurring..this is good stuff to refer to . Nov 18 16:08
schestowitz _doug: I’ve added the link you gave Nov 18 16:10
schestowitz Omar87: no, no widgets. A link would help though. Nov 18 16:10
schestowitz The site’s name is self-explanatory (I didn’t choose the name), so even if people don’t click on it, they absorb the takeaway message Nov 18 16:11
schestowitz neighborlee: thanks. Let’s get 3 examples or so.. Nov 18 16:11
_doug “companies could face a big intellectual property issue because they are using the software without understanding the IP implications of the licensing language” Nov 18 16:15
_doug Didn’t Microsoft validate Novells Linux ? Nov 18 16:16
schestowitz Microsoft also validates Gartner’s bank account Nov 18 16:17
_doug “Companies must have a policy for ..  identifying the intellectual property risk or supportability risk associated with using OSS. Once a policy is in place, then there must be a governance process to enforce it.” Nov 18 16:17
schestowitz I’m hearing that even BillG is a Gartner investor. Nov 18 16:17
schestowitz Say nice things, or else… Nov 18 16:17
_doug So we need to hire on a combined programmer-lawyer, but only if we use ‘Open Source’ Nov 18 16:17
_doug If you use ‘commercial’ software, then you’re safe, yea :) Nov 18 16:18
schestowitz Sounds like another Microsoft-bourne Black Duck. Nov 18 16:18
schestowitz Microsoft has a lot people running around waving words like IP and risk in relation to F/OSS Nov 18 16:18
schestowitz It often has links to Microsoft. Nov 18 16:19
schestowitz OpenLogic… CEO is a former Microsoft employee Nov 18 16:19
schestowitz Same with Black Duck… Nov 18 16:19
schestowitz Gartner is a ‘sibling’ of Microsoft. Nov 18 16:19
_doug “The Gartner survey went onto says that lack of governance was the biggest challenge for open source users in the survey” Nov 18 16:19
_doug How about software that don’t allow the current virus/spam/phishing epidemic ? Nov 18 16:20
schestowitz “Except for any debts due to fraud while acting as a fiduciary? I honestly don’t know what the rules are for sticky wickets like that, but I have a funny feeling we are going to find out in due time.” < http://www.groklaw.net/article.ph… > Nov 18 16:20
_doug Where’s the governance for the next time I’m a victem of ‘identity fraud’ and my bank account is emptied Nov 18 16:21
schestowitz The engineers… of the bank… not the programmers of the software. Nov 18 16:22
schestowitz kentma said he reading about London hospitals or something getting shut down due to viruses. Nov 18 16:23
schestowitz This reminded me of a Washington/Seattle hospital becoming a massive botnet. Nov 18 16:23
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/1… Nov 18 16:24
schestowitz PC virus forces three London hospitals into computer shutdown “Three London Hospitals shut down their computer systems on Tuesday in response to a computer virus infection.” Nov 18 16:24
schestowitz Should Microsoft be held liable? Nov 18 16:25
schestowitz Should Microsoft’s not be held liable for people likely dead or severely ill as a result of this? Nov 18 16:25
schestowitz “The infection at Barts and London Trust was reportedly caused by the Mytob worm, which contains built-in spyware functionality. Mytob spreads by email and has the ability to plant backdoor software on compromised Windows PCs.” Nov 18 16:25
schestowitz I guess this means the cracker got a copy of the NHS databases too. Nov 18 16:26
schestowitz So where does a cybercriminal download the NHS torrents now? Nov 18 16:26
_doug liable: but all the software ‘technology’ is completly complaint, the lawyers have been through it with a finecomb :) Nov 18 16:27
schestowitz “When Java was not Open Source, it was not installed by default.  Wine is not installed by default.  Mono is installed by default, if we want it or not.  This needs to change.  If you want to build or run mono applications, then you can install it – it is your computer and we will not stop you.” Nov 18 16:28
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schestowitz Miserable Republicans use lawyers: Trial of Palin E-Mail Hacker Delayed < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1540… > Nov 18 16:39
neighborlee schestowitz, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/sh… < more evidence I was refuting MONO long before I knew you..so that whole notion can be laid to rest :)  ( my post is second one down from top ) Nov 18 16:43
schestowitz Thanks. Nov 18 16:43
neighborlee np Nov 18 16:44
schestowitz I should do a post. Nov 18 16:44
schestowitz I ponder writing about the hospital thing too, but I don’t have time. Nov 18 16:44
schestowitz I’ll leave it for “Eye on MS” Nov 18 16:44
schestowitz WTF? “The reasons Red Hat decided to go ahead have since been revealed. It’s because of the Open Invention Network. http://gregdek.livejournal.com/4008.html ” < http://forums.fedoraforum.or… > Nov 18 16:45
schestowitz He’s kidding, right? Nov 18 16:45
schestowitz Does he not know that OIN is for the kernel only?? Nov 18 16:45
neighborlee LOL yeah indeed ;)) Nov 18 16:46
schestowitz The possibility of Norway-Microsoft corruption resurfaces: http://ostatic.com/177021-blog/norway-pledges… Nov 18 16:54
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schestowitz neighborlee: any more links to thread suppression in Ubuntu (re: Mono)? Nov 18 16:57
neighborlee not yet Nov 18 16:57
neighborlee but its quite good that it can be shown that Im not the only one saying such things, and that Im n ot a per se a schestowitz ‘folllower’ ( which they think gives them ammunition only because of attempts to show you as just a schill ) as can be seen from my  very early disproval of mono on fedora forum. Nov 18 17:00
schestowitz Me? Shill? Nov 18 17:00
schestowitz For who? ‘Freedom’? Nov 18 17:00
neighborlee heh Nov 18 17:01
schestowitz BN enjoys autonomy. Neither Shane and I are even affiliated with the FSF. Nov 18 17:02
schestowitz Shane isn’t even working in tech. Nov 18 17:03
schestowitz How low Microsoft has sunk for publicity: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Declare_… ( Declare yourself a PC for just $36.95 ) Nov 18 17:10
schestowitz A shirt to affiliated oneself with a multiple-times convicted monopolist. Nov 18 17:10
neighborlee schestowitz, not sure its a trend or even how long its been this way, but #fedora atm is at #450 users so I wonder if the ‘no mono in fedora ‘ has  had some impact, hey who knows ;),,soon I shall make sure to have a link at my website too, which isn’t as popular as BN on any level but Im happy to add to be a oss supporter ;) Nov 18 17:13
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anivar schestowitz:  see my blog http://anivar.movingrepublic.org/2008/nat… Nov 18 17:14
anivar i used some content u sent 4 an immediate need Nov 18 17:14
anivar hope you can understand Nov 18 17:15
neighborlee anivar, hi there..go you for stricking up for oss ;) ,,that must have  been hairy dealing with ;)) Nov 18 17:15
neighborlee sticking up for….:) Nov 18 17:16
anivar neighborlee: :-) Nov 18 17:18
trmanco schestowitz, Hi Nov 18 17:18
trmanco did I stay online all day? Nov 18 17:18
schestowitz Hey, anivar. Nov 18 17:19
schestowitz It was funny to see RMS’ reaction to the ‘Barf’ thing. Nov 18 17:20
schestowitz It was put in a context where the “Silver Light” phrase was associated with revolution. Nov 18 17:20
schestowitz And yes… there’s a real product called Barf Nov 18 17:21
schestowitz I got it royalty-free from my usual source of images. Nov 18 17:21
schestowitz trmanco: yes, but I left for a while and I need to go to the gym by the end of the day Nov 18 17:21
twitter GWB let’s you know what he really thinks http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/… Nov 18 17:22
trmanco ok thanks for confirming, look like my bnc is working :-) Nov 18 17:22
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twitter http://www.rotten.com/library/… Nov 18 17:22
twitter hi, anivar! Nov 18 17:23
anivar schestowitz: hehe Nov 18 17:24
schestowitz anivar: I’ll cite this later. Nov 18 17:24
schestowitz [your blog] Nov 18 17:24
schestowitz There’s something urgent now. Nov 18 17:24
anivar twitter:  hi Nov 18 17:24
twitter You say, ” You all are aware of the 2 major campaigns in which Free Software community in India fought Last 1.5 Years. The Campaign for Document Freedom and Ongoing Campaign against software patents. Novell was always opposite to the Free Software Movement’s position” Nov 18 17:32
twitter that’s sad news.  Thanks for sharing it. Nov 18 17:32
schestowitz Novell doesn’t care about Freedom Nov 18 17:36
schestowitz SuSE does, but it’s a minority in Novell. Nov 18 17:36
twitter I understand Novell is like that, but it’s news to me they are doing M$’s bidding in other countries. Nov 18 17:37
schestowitz S.u.S.E. as it was at the time could be invited to sponsors and promote itself, but Novell with S.u.S.E. is like a python with Bambi in its belly and a Godzilla (Microsoft) holding it by the hand. Nov 18 17:37
twitter It seems crazy that they would spend money opposing ODF and promoting software patents in India while they are closing offices around the world. Nov 18 17:38
schestowitz twitter: they dispute going the way of the dodo Nov 18 17:41
schestowitz See http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/1… Nov 18 17:41
schestowitz Basically, Novell spins it. Nov 18 17:42
schestowitz They say Novell is paid by MS. That’s spin. Nov 18 17:42
schestowitz Microsoft gives coupons to encourage people to get a distribution that passes royalties to Microsoft. Nov 18 17:42
schestowitz Microsoft actually calls these coupons “patent royalties” now. Nov 18 17:43
schestowitz Novell (Hauser FUDmesier… see BN for details) tries to spin this as Microsoft paying Novell for patents. Nov 18 17:43
schestowitz They dress up a wolf as a sheep Nov 18 17:43
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kentma it’s so hard to get the ears into the costume :-) Nov 18 17:45
*kentma used to have a small flock of sheep… Nov 18 17:45
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schestowitz Heh. Funny typo there. FUDmesier -> Fudmeister . http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05/… Nov 18 17:55
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schestowitz Hi, alan Nov 18 18:06
alan Aloha Nov 18 18:06
alan I was just wondering if you knew that microvell is a registered company Nov 18 18:06
schestowitz Let me check. Nov 18 18:06
alan http://www.microvell.net/ Nov 18 18:07
schestowitz Oh my god! :-) I didn’t know. Nov 18 18:07
alan They may not appreciate being caught in any crossfire is all Nov 18 18:07
schestowitz Do you know them? Nov 18 18:07
schestowitz Is there also a Novellsoft? Nov 18 18:08
alan Who knows Nov 18 18:08
schestowitz http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_repo… “Date first seenAugust 2000″ Nov 18 18:08
schestowitz Did you hear anything from them? Nov 18 18:08
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schestowitz Eeek. http://toolbar.netcraft.com/… Nov 18 18:09
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?source… Nov 18 18:09
schestowitz Since he left, he might be associated with the company. Nov 18 18:10
schestowitz There is another one: http://www.microvellnetworks.co.uk/ Nov 18 18:18
schestowitz alan is from Ireland on the face of it. Nov 18 18:18
twitter I doubt anyone will confuse your fictional company with a real one.  The first page has no real links.  You might email them to see if they still exist. Nov 18 18:29
twitter The second page first shows up in the internet archive on January 2008.  http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://w… Nov 18 18:31
twitter You may have created your MicroVell logo before they did.  In fact, they may be a troll page that copies you intentionally. Nov 18 18:33
MinceR Fudweiser? Nov 18 18:33
twitter It’s strange that a company working with Novell network stuff would only have a page starting in 2008.  Here’s some of their supposed work, http://www.microvellnetworks…. Nov 18 18:34
twitter Microvell.net has been around for a while, http://web.archive.org/web/*/htt… Nov 18 18:35
twitter nope, first page is spam site http://web.archive.org/web/20010… Nov 18 18:36
twitter They had the same sucky image based site by 2004 http://web.archive.org/web/200406032… Nov 18 18:37
twitter Logo is obviously different in 2003 http://web.archive.org/web/20030… Nov 18 18:38
schestowitz MinceR: typos Nov 18 18:38
twitter they are from Miami according to the 2003 page. Nov 18 18:39
schestowitz twitter: does Microvell Networks vend Novell stuff?!?! Nov 18 18:39
twitter not in 2003 Nov 18 18:39
schestowitz Miami, eh? That’s good Nov 18 18:39
schestowitz I thought alan might be related to the company/ies Nov 18 18:39
twitter The UK site says it’s in the UK, but it is from 2008 and violates the Miami company unless they are the same person and moved and picked up Novell skills after year 2000.  UNLIKELY. Nov 18 18:41
twitter Here’s another older page http://web.archive.org/web/2003092… Nov 18 18:41
twitter Clearly a different group from the UK organization. Nov 18 18:41
twitter The UK company only has an email contact but claims, ”                                                 Microvell                                                 Networks Ltd                                                   is located in the                                                  heart of the North West.  Situateq” Nov 18 18:42
schestowitz Seems like consulting. Nov 18 18:45
schestowitz Is there a Novell connection anywhere? Nov 18 18:45
schestowitz Like GWAVA? Nov 18 18:45
twitter Just the clients. Nov 18 18:46
twitter Here’s where they say they are http://www.freeindex.co.uk/profile(Microvel… Nov 18 18:48
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/18/mi… Nov 18 18:50
twitter more info is there too, they claim to have been around since 2002 Nov 18 18:50
twitter http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&a… turns up nothing. Nov 18 18:50
schestowitz your stalker in on your tail in BN again (new comment) Nov 18 18:51
twitter going to look at trademark article you might check out http://en-gb.facebook.com/people… Nov 18 18:51
twitter don’t know if that person is related.  There’s a phone number for microvell networks if you want to find out how they feel about using the name of a Miami company. Nov 18 18:54
twitter In any case, people doing business with Novell have much bigger problems than their name now. Nov 18 18:56
schestowitz Yes, I agree. Nov 18 18:57
trmanco http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/… Nov 18 19:02
schestowitz This one has real-world impact: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/1… Nov 18 19:10
schestowitz anivar: can you mail me a photo of yours? I’m doing a post. Nov 18 19:12
schestowitz Never mind, I post now. Nov 18 19:18
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twitter enjoy it. Nov 18 19:37
twitter Here’s a M$ quote that should be used more frequently.   “Mind Control: To control mental output you to have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!” Nov 18 19:58
twitter from the SLOG.DOC http://docs.google.com/Present?docid=d… Nov 18 19:59
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twitter Here are a few names to replace Microvell Nov 18 20:30
twitter Microval, http://www.patientsville.com/m… Nov 18 20:30
twitter no confusing that, eh?  Who would mistake the fake Linux company for a contraceptive with side effects that include pregnancy and retarded babies? Nov 18 20:32
twitter Microveil nothing shows up here http://www.google.com/search?q=microveil&… Nov 18 20:33
twitter of course, you could always use MicroNovell Nov 18 20:35
neighborlee http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/inde… < you might aalready know..but if not its a huge laughter point ;) Nov 18 20:51
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_doug ……………… ……………. …………………………………… ……………………………… Nov 18 21:19
trmanco :| Nov 18 21:35
trmanco looks like MSN IM servers are down Nov 18 21:35
trmanco The MSN servers are temporarily unavailable. Please wait and try again Nov 18 21:35
trmanco crappy service Nov 18 21:35
_doug It’s obviously a fault in UNIX .. Nov 18 21:39
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GoblinRFD hello all. Nov 18 21:40
_doug I thought portals were going out of fashion .. Nov 18 21:40
_doug as in AOL never seemed to make a buck ? Nov 18 21:40
_doug ‘walled garden’ etc .. Nov 18 21:40
trmanco _doug, obviously :-P Nov 18 21:41
_doug Of course if I got the BBC iPlayer + Google Apps + Youtube + FaceBook .. I mightened want to leave the garden .. :) Nov 18 21:41
_doug MAybe Web 2.01 is a place where people will finally make real money out of the Internet Nov 18 21:42
_doug I can see all the innovators drooling over IPTV + adverising to a closed audience .. Nov 18 21:43
_doug I already notice Gmail spooling targeted adverts to me, depending on what searches I did previously .. Nov 18 21:44
_doug So in the future, as I’m driving along, all the billbaords will be focused on me .. yea ? Nov 18 21:44
_doug wait .. leme see what pops up .. Nov 18 21:44
_doug ‘ESPN.com – Red Sox second baseman Pedroia wins AL MVP – 1 hour ago’ Nov 18 21:45
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_doug ‘John Cleese Clips – www.comedydemon.com – Enjoy all the best John Cleese clips at Comedy Demon.’ Nov 18 21:46
_doug “Official site of Nightingale-Conant personal development audio programs” Nov 18 21:47
_doug Haaaaaa …. Nov 18 21:47
_doug Does the selection depend on the contents of my inbox ? Nov 18 21:48
trmanco _doug, “I already notice Gmail spooling targeted adverts to me, depending on what searches I did previously ..” this is true Nov 18 21:48
_doug “Katie Price Swimwear” Nov 18 21:49
_doug Ooops .. naughty .. :] Nov 18 21:49
_doug I don’t think I’d look good in it … HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Nov 18 21:49
_doug There is a mention of Katie in the email .. so it does read your emails to target the emails .. Nov 18 21:50
_doug “Quote of the Day – P. J. O’Rourke” Nov 18 21:51
_doug See, it’s not all filth .. :o Nov 18 21:51
_doug Hey, if I mention nasal sexs, I get an advert for .. ‘Hydrangea Flower From M&S -’ … Nov 18 21:52
_doug “Classroom Discipline 101″, I wonder what keywords triggered that ? :)))) Nov 18 21:53
_doug Mention ‘Blind Faith’ a novel .. and I get an advert for .. Nov 18 21:54
_doug “Want to Self Publish? -” Nov 18 21:54
_doug This is a little disconcerting .. to say the least … Nov 18 21:54
_doug Someone sent me: “Sex Without Love by Sharon Olds” .. I get an advert from GoogleKeywords .. wait for it … Nov 18 21:56
_doug “Want fantastic Chinese trip with pretty Chinese lady? Find her now!” Nov 18 21:57
_doug Imagine when they have robot waiters, and you’re chatting up your girlfriend over a romantic dinner, and the robot picls up the words ‘sex without love’ and it triggers an advert, so it pipes up with .. ‘you want to meet fantastic Chinese lady for lotta good sex .. she sooo horney’ .. kind of a damper on the moment .. Nov 18 21:59
_doug inbox: “Diddy halts private jet flights over fuel prices – Yahoo! News” Nov 18 22:01
_doug Gmail: “Charter a Private Jet – “ Nov 18 22:02
_doug This is fun .. haven’t taken a good look before … Nov 18 22:02
_doug Gvert: “Healthy and asthmatic volunteers wanted for clinical trials” Nov 18 22:03
_doug I’ll let you guess what was in the email :) Nov 18 22:03
_doug Gvert: “Dr Who Box Set -” Nov 18 22:04
_doug :] Nov 18 22:04
_doug You know, this could be real funny .. I might just compile a collection of quotes from my email .. and what adverts Google thinks is appropriate .. Nov 18 22:05
_doug quote: “I tried to discuss the topic of feminism” Nov 18 22:07
_doug Google keyword advert: “End KFC’s Animal Cruelty -” Nov 18 22:07
_doug I’m not making this up … Nov 18 22:07
_doug hello ? Nov 18 22:15
schestowitz Hey, _doug Nov 18 22:15
_doug did you see my previous sphieel ? Nov 18 22:15
schestowitz You’ve G-Rated(R) this channel. Nov 18 22:15
_doug G ? Nov 18 22:15
schestowitz R? Nov 18 22:15
_doug Hey, I left out the worst .. :) Nov 18 22:16
schestowitz I know. Nov 18 22:16
_doug I’m off momenterally .. Nov 18 22:17
MinceR gyrated! Nov 18 22:17
_doug Hey, guess what .. earlier on I got a support call from India :) Nov 18 22:18
_doug From someone who works in a call center .. Nov 18 22:18
_doug These two obviously take the online thing far too seriously .. Nov 18 22:20
_doug http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/11… Nov 18 22:20
_doug clippy: it looks like you’re having an affair, it looks like you’re having an affair, it looks like you’re having an affair …. Nov 18 22:21
_doug gtg .. Nov 18 22:22
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twitter M$FT under $20 all the do da day. Nov 18 22:23
schestowitz Microsoft is a teen asset. Nov 18 22:23
twitter Youth should be protected from that kind of moral corruption. Nov 18 22:24
twitter Thanks to Vista, the disease seems to be self limiting. Nov 18 22:25
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/05… Nov 18 22:29
twitter confromity http://bayimg.com/EAGcLAabL Nov 18 22:33
schestowitz The wedding ring company called “Novell” has just spammed YouTube. Nov 18 22:37
schestowitz They typically throw in promotional stuff there, but they uploaded at least 40 pieces of junk this morning. Nov 18 22:38
schestowitz Microsoft does such things too… Novell doesn’t do it at quite the same capacity. Nov 18 22:38
twitter Spam.  From M$, by M$, for M$. Nov 18 22:39
schestowitz I have examples, FWIW. Hold on.. Nov 18 22:39
schestowitz If you want to see the Novell spam, go to Google, search for Novell, sort by date Nov 18 22:39
schestowitz This afternoon they swamped the thing. Nov 18 22:40
schestowitz I see it in my RSS feeds/ Nov 18 22:40
twitter From botnets that infest Windows and you know they aim that shit. Nov 18 22:40
schestowitz Novell: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/03/mi… Nov 18 22:40
twitter busy making fun of Windows 7. Nov 18 22:40
schestowitz The /computer/ Novell: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/… Nov 18 22:40
schestowitz http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… “I think it’s more likely that Gartner’s biggest concern is that open-source software firms (and communities) pay it little money for its research. The biggest danger from open source may actually be to Gartner’s P&L statement, not to the enterprises that adopt open-source software.” Nov 18 22:42
schestowitz Blankenhorn still provoking, I think: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3096 Nov 18 22:47
twitter Soon to be tagged “inappropriate” http://bayimg.com/kaLnpAabP Nov 18 22:51
twitter dinner time Nov 18 22:53
twitter bbl Nov 18 22:53
schestowitz MPC buh-bye: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne… Nov 18 23:01
schestowitz zoobab writes: “I am afraid that many people thinks the opposite nowadays after the OOXML experience. ISO is dead for software standards. Do you need an official funeral?” < http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/… > +1 Nov 18 23:04
schestowitz Wrist Computer Dumps Windows for GNU/Linux Only: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N… Nov 18 23:06
schestowitz http://computerworld.com/action/ar… ( McColo takedown: Internet vigilantism or online Neighborhood Watch? ) Nov 18 23:44
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  1. Dan O'Brian said,

    November 19, 2008 at 11:47 am


    Shouldn’t you have pushed your brother to use OpenOffice instead of Google Docs? Google Docs is NOT Free Software, it’s proprietary software that Google controls – they even host your data, so it’s worse in some respects than Microsoft Office.

    It’s Freeware, but it’s not Free Software.

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    November 19, 2008 at 12:03 pm


    To embed something in a Web page (mashup), I can’t think of a very simpler way.

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    Links for the day

  24. Official Ubuntu Blog Has Just Promoted Microsoft Windows+Systemd

    When people try to install Ubuntu on their PC (if they can get past the illegal technical obstacles) Canonical recommends Microsoft's proprietary software and it also keeps promoting Windows (WSL); what sort of deal/s has Canonical signed with Microsoft? Ubuntu is fast becoming a ‘filthy’ distro like SUSE after Novell signed the deal with Microsoft.

  25. Links 21/09/2022: Debuginfod in Ubuntu

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  26. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, September 20, 2022

    IRC logs for Tuesday, September 20, 2022

  27. Links 20/09/2022: OpenJDK Java 19 and System76 Thelio Puff Pieces; More Debian-Private 'Leaks'

    Links for the day

  28. Links 20/09/2022: Darktable 4.0.1, SuperTuxKart 1.4 Release Candidate, and Gajim 1.5.0

    Links for the day

  29. IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 19, 2022

    IRC logs for Monday, September 19, 2022

  30. Links 19/09/2022: Firefox 105 and OpenMandriva on Ampere Altra

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