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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 29th, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:28 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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PetoKraus i’d say, old news Jan 29 00:00
schestowitz President to Muslim World: “Americans are not your enemy” < http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog_post/Preside… > Well done to him…… Jan 29 00:01
PetoKraus it was /.ted like half a day ago Jan 29 00:01
PetoKraus but it’s good news Jan 29 00:01
schestowitz I saw it before too (about a day ago) Jan 29 00:02
neighborlee schestowitz, dont know.. Jan 29 00:02
neighborlee schestowitz, he went offline b4 I could ask Jan 29 00:02
schestowitz Windows Mobile Bluetooth vulnerability allows access to any files < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/122502 > Jan 29 00:03
schestowitz Hehe. Jan 29 00:03
schestowitz Good publicity for Ogg: Ogg and Friends Challenge Flash < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158479/o… > Jan 29 00:04
schestowitz Hey, neighborlee ever seen Miguel using Ogg anywhere? It’s like he hates it or ssomething… always .NET, WMV and XAML for him………. Jan 29 00:05
schestowitz Doug says: “”Could you point me to anything on COLA that is going to advance anyone’s knowledge on anything. Oh, did you notice that comes article that specifically mentions DLL hell, something fuddie always said didn’t exist…”” Jan 29 00:08
neighborlee schestowitz, hmm I honestly dont know much about miguel really..other than few things I know from boycottnovell Jan 29 00:09
neighborlee schestowitz, well,,that he ‘resisted’ mono and now is fully behind it..thats the oddest thing imho about him Jan 29 00:09
neighborlee so,,him not doing ogg, is not much of a surprise ;) Jan 29 00:09
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schestowitz Weird.. why is an MS MVP ordering Linux….? Waiting for the HP Mini Mi Edition with Linux < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/6167 > Jan 29 01:16
schestowitz Microsoft employee committed suicide. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micro… Jan 29 02:06
schestowitz nn Jan 29 02:06
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schestowitz The second picture is funny: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… Jan 29 09:26
MinceR geekings Jan 29 09:36
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schestowitz Everything is good so far this week and we’ve made it into many front pages, which means that the message gets across. Soon enough we ought to do more Comes exhibits.. Jan 29 10:25
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schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mH9_2QQtU… Jan 29 11:06
schestowitz Sounds like Microsoft.. :-) Jan 29 11:06
amarsh04 schestowitz – good succinct point putting the gnu.org link in the ostatic comments Jan 29 11:09
schestowitz Thanks, glad you noticed Jan 29 11:10
amarsh04 I found out today that if our state ambulance service gets incorrect address information from the 000 service, that instead of sending a discrepancy report to the people responsible for maintaining the location database of fixed telephones for when people call the 000 emergency number, they do nothing Jan 29 11:13
schestowitz This is interesting stuff: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wlOwMU8R… Jan 29 11:14
amarsh04 needless to say, I’ve emailed our state emergency services minister about it Jan 29 11:14
schestowitz About EDGI? Jan 29 11:15
amarsh04 about our ambulance service not even bothering to get incorrect address information associated with a telephone number corrected as they are supposed to do Jan 29 11:17
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schestowitz Oh, I missed that last message (didn’t notice it) Jan 29 11:18
amarsh04 EDGI is a tougher nut to crack. Our state education minister and most education department bureaucrats are in some kind of “cost effectiveness” mantra rather than the gnu education stance. I should just send them a printed copy of the gnu statement Jan 29 11:19
amarsh04 must get some sleep in a minute Jan 29 11:19
schestowitz Still fever(ish)? Jan 29 11:20
amarsh04 today we had our record highest daily minimum temperature 33.9 C (over 93 F) Jan 29 11:21
zer0c00l temperature is bit high in kerala? Jan 29 11:22
amarsh04 over 100 F maximums forecast for the next week Jan 29 11:22
amarsh04 I’m sure that it gets hot over there zer0c00l, but I’m in “temperate” Adelaide, South Australia Jan 29 11:22
zer0c00l oh Jan 29 11:23
zer0c00l i thought you are from kerala Jan 29 11:23
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schestowitz I’d like to visit Kerala one day. Jan 29 11:24
zer0c00l yeah its a great holiday spot in india Jan 29 11:26
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zer0c00l will they remove existing gnu/linux installations there  if they go with EDGI of M$? Jan 29 11:26
schestowitz I don’t know. Jan 29 11:26
schestowitz What’s the situation there re: dumping? Jan 29 11:27
zer0c00l schestowitz : same dumping here…Even universities dump students with M$ products Jan 29 11:28
zer0c00l i have created a blog against this mess http://annauniv-tamilnadu.blogspot.com/ Jan 29 11:28
zer0c00l it Jan 29 11:29
schestowitz It turns out to start here… http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bbv4QDaXdI4 Jan 29 11:31
schestowitz zer0c00l: have you protested against those who get corrupted by the money (lackeys/foreigners)? Jan 29 11:32
schestowitz Don’t blame just the umbrella (it’s the shadow just sheltering those responsible). Find your way to individual cronies because individuals can be persuaded, not an evasive image or name. Jan 29 11:32
zer0c00l schestowitz : no i dont know any information about those corrupts Jan 29 11:34
zer0c00l i am a ordinary student of that university Jan 29 11:34
zer0c00l i am thinking of gathering information Jan 29 11:34
zer0c00l definitely there’s some thing wrong with the university Jan 29 11:34
zer0c00l sure schestowitz Jan 29 11:34
schestowitz Try it. Jan 29 11:37
schestowitz Ask people question. Who is Microsoft negotiating with? Jan 29 11:37
schestowitz Is it the leftist government they flirt with? Jan 29 11:37
schestowitz What’s the gain (personal) to those involved? Jan 29 11:37
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schestowitz Nokia chooses wage slavery over the status quo: http://www.pcworld.com/article/158548/nokia_outsourc… (Nokia Outsources Desktop Management to India’s HCL) Jan 29 11:57
zer0c00l i found  a guy , his name is kenneth and is a member of NRC foss, which is responsible for making the curriculum more open and vendor neutral ..but he does nothing..i have to gather evidence  against him before i start protesting Jan 29 11:59
zer0c00l they evade public criticism  by introducing foss as an elective http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/F… Jan 29 11:59
zer0c00l when some one asks there is no foss related things in the syllabus, they will show this elective subject Jan 29 12:00
zer0c00l electives are mostly chosen by faculties than students Jan 29 12:00
zer0c00l very unfortunate situation here Jan 29 12:00
schestowitz zer0c00l: he could be influenced by someone Jan 29 12:00
schestowitz If they changed the curriculum, ask him why. Jan 29 12:00
schestowitz These autocrats are often out for personal gain, unless they are watched (that’s where transparency comes into play Jan 29 12:01
schestowitz Dodo-isation of proprietary software: With Global Revenue Dropping, Symantec Posts Big Loss < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158526/with_gl… > Jan 29 12:03
schestowitz This further enforcers the belief that methods alone should be taught, never products. Products come and go, much like knowledge. It’s skills that stay. Jan 29 12:03
schestowitz “Blaming the recession, Capgemini asks contractors to work with their agencies to cut rates. Aspire is CapGemini’s outsourcing deal with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs – it cut 600 jobs on the contract back in late 2007.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/… Jan 29 12:07
schestowitz Good quote here: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/01/26/ot-did-karl-… Jan 29 12:18
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*schestowitz goes back to some Comes exhibits… Jan 29 12:21
schestowitz Reader says: “How they must hate having these emails come to light in such public ways.  It seems like there’s no point too low for them to stoop when it comes to protecting their (ahem) assets.  They sometimes seem bumbling and clueless, but they also seem a little scary at times.  I’m finding the ‘turfers and trolls on Digg to be especially creepy.” Jan 29 12:21
schestowitz “Haven’t had much time to visit Digg lately, but I try to check in at least once a day and spread a few diggs around, but anymore it seems like I spend more time burying ugly troll-turfers.  I try to comment when I can, but I’m not really very good at it… “ Jan 29 12:21
schestowitz *LOL* http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/28/news/com… “The Russian prime minister tells the Dell CEO: ‘We don’t need help. We are not invalids.’” Jan 29 12:27
schestowitz “Putin’s withering reply to Dell: “We don’t need help. We are not invalids. We don’t have limited mental capacity.” The slapdown took many of the people in the audience by surprise. Putin then went on to outline some of the steps the Russian government has taken to wire up the country, including remote villages in Siberia.” Jan 29 12:28
schestowitz ” One last chance to save mankind [...] Your work on atmospheric chlorofluorocarbons led eventually to a global CFC ban that saved us from ozone-layer depletion. Do we have time to do a similar thing with carbon emissions to save ourselves from climate change?” http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126… Jan 29 12:42
schestowitz “Khaled El Masri has sued the government of Macedonia for handing him over to the CIA for torture.” http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.html#… Jan 29 12:45
schestowitz We made it into the Linux Today front page again….. Jan 29 12:47
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Eruaran hullo Jan 29 14:27
schestowitz Hey, what’s up? Jan 29 14:27
Eruaran I just finished posting a rant on Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols blog at computerworld Jan 29 14:29
Eruaran I got fed up Jan 29 14:29
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Eruaran I dont think it has come up yet… maybe its too long Jan 29 14:31
schestowitz Oh, don’t feed his KDE rants Jan 29 14:31
schestowitz Focus on the positives. Jan 29 14:31
Eruaran comparing free software to windows 7… I mean geez Jan 29 14:32
Eruaran the idiot actually complained kde4 needed a more pluggable interface… seriously, what the hell is he talking about… is there another shell on the planet that gives you more of that kind of power ? Jan 29 14:33
schestowitz This could be an AstroTurf/guerrilla marketing: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Campa… Jan 29 14:34
schestowitz Eruaran: re: comparisons, SJVN hardly cares about Freedom Jan 29 14:34
schestowitz I’m sort of friends with him, but he never seemed to care so much about the patent deals. Jan 29 14:35
schestowitz He’s what you might call a “pragmatist” (i.e. all rights be damned as long as it Works(R)). He comes from UNIX, so… Jan 29 14:35
Eruaran releasewindows7.com… from the same people who brought you Mojave Jan 29 14:36
schestowitz what does whois say? Jan 29 14:37
schestowitz It sends messages like “Windows 7 is polished”; “people love Windows 7″… it drips like the “letters from dead people” tactic. Jan 29 14:38
Eruaran exactly Jan 29 14:38
schestowitz “…Paul Thurrott…” Jan 29 14:39
Eruaran Its DNA has “Microsoft Marketting” stamped on it Jan 29 14:39
schestowitz Registrant: Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz    volum LLC Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz    Domain Name: RELEASEWINDOWS7.COM Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz    Domain servers in listed order: Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz       DNS1.MIDPHASE.COM Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz       DNS2.MIDPHASE.COM Jan 29 14:40
wasabi It’s also possible people like Windows 7. Jan 29 14:40
wasabi Just sayin. Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz Yes, but… Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz Why run a campaign for it? Jan 29 14:40
schestowitz Self gain? Jan 29 14:40
wasabi Same reason people run campaigns for all sorts of stupid stuff. Jan 29 14:41
schestowitz http://www.betterwhois.com/ Jan 29 14:41
schestowitz wasabi: for a private tyranny? Jan 29 14:41
wasabi schestowitz: Not everybody agrees that that is what it is. Jan 29 14:41
wasabi You know, the vast majoirty of people ‘don’t care’. Jan 29 14:42
schestowitz People campaign for right and stuff, with the exception of Apple fans Jan 29 14:42
wasabi ANd a smaller minority of them ‘like it.’ Jan 29 14:42
schestowitz wasabi: liking it is passive Jan 29 14:42
schestowitz But i’m just checking Jan 29 14:42
schestowitz Microsoft has many such campaigns Jan 29 14:42
wasabi They use google-analytics on their page. Jan 29 14:42
schestowitz Like anti-VMware sites (it hired an agency t attack them) Jan 29 14:42
schestowitz In Europe it created lobbying platforms like voicesforinnovation.org … for software patents.. created quietly.. by mcirosoft. Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Registrant: Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz volum LLC Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz 215 Oxford Dr. Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Franklin, Tennessee 37064 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz United States Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Domain Name: RELEASEWINDOWS7.COM Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Created on: 18-Jan-09 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Expires on: 18-Jan-10 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Last Updated on: 18-Jan-09 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Administrative Contact: Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Poe, Kelly kelly@volummonster.com Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz volum LLC Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz 215 Oxford Dr. Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Franklin, Tennessee 37064 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz United States Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz (937) 409-4040 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Technical Contact: Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Poe, Kelly kelly@volummonster.com Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz volum LLC Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz 215 Oxford Dr. Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Franklin, Tennessee 37064 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz United States Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz (937) 409-4040 Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz Domain servers in listed order: Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz DNS1.MIDPHASE.COM Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz DNS2.MIDPHASE.COM Jan 29 14:43
schestowitz What is Volum doing? Jan 29 14:44
wasabi Sure, but that stuffs not surprising. Jan 29 14:44
wasabi Happens for pork. Jan 29 14:44
wasabi If it’s nefarious, then you have to consider many players other than MS nefarious. Jan 29 14:45
schestowitz I do. Jan 29 14:46
schestowitz It’s the year of Ox. Don’t buy any bullshit < http://www.advogato.org/a… > Jan 29 14:47
wasabi Oh, well, ok. Jan 29 14:47
schestowitz I’m doing some lookups just to be sure Jan 29 14:48
schestowitz You must always assume they have some interests. Even those who we are supposed to respect… like centralised ‘authorities’ Jan 29 14:48
wasabi Sure. That’s a safe assumption. Jan 29 14:48
wasabi But it’s not a suprising assumption. Jan 29 14:48
schestowitz Take BSI for example. I have it well documented that the BSI is likely corrupt like many similar institutions that are controlled and run by private interests. BSI ought to be dismantled, if not merely reformed. It’s really a private company. They also outsource the spying on people’s calls and E-mail in the UK.  It’s a sin to delegate such tasks to private tyrannies. Jan 29 14:49
wasabi BSI? Jan 29 14:49
schestowitz ‘British’ ‘Standards’ ‘Institute’ Jan 29 14:49
schestowitz Cronies for sale, AFAICT Jan 29 14:49
Eruaran releasewindows7.com appears and instantly Todd Bishop is dutifully reporting it on his Microsoft Blog Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=volummonster&tld=com Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz Registrant: Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz    Volum, LLC Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz    Domain Name: VOLUMMONSTER.COM Jan 29 14:50
wasabi Got me. I’m not British. Jan 29 14:50
wasabi me->work! Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz Eruaran: Almost each time I check these things I find the links I suspect Jan 29 14:50
schestowitz Last week it was T3 and Microsoft (vs IBM) Jan 29 14:51
schestowitz Later on the press chimed in too, spotting the very same relationship Jan 29 14:51
Eruaran Its basically an advertisement for releasewindows7.com encouraging the reader to go sign it Jan 29 14:51
schestowitz Well, Bishop *is* an advertiser for Microsoft, in essence. Jan 29 14:51
schestowitz All the MS bloggers have been ‘rabidly’ pro-Microsoft recently. They act as fans more like reporters, which is fair but worth noting. Jan 29 14:52
Eruaran I did a quote for someone at work today Jan 29 14:54
Eruaran They wanted to know how much the same computer would be with Windows and MS Office, with no software, and with Ubuntu Jan 29 14:54
schestowitz Weir wrote about this days ago Jan 29 14:55
schestowitz ”    * Dell Inspiron 530 with Microsoft Vista/Microsoft Office = $818.00 Jan 29 14:55
schestowitz     * Dell Inspiron 530N with Ubuntu/OpenOffice = $428.00″ Jan 29 14:55
schestowitz http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/01/… Jan 29 14:55
Eruaran Yes, on the system I quoted today the customer will save around $300 if they go with Ubuntu Jan 29 14:55
Eruaran People suddenly care about that $300 more than they did six months ago Jan 29 14:56
schestowitz Infinite (imaginary) wealth is no more Jan 29 14:57
schestowitz I work on some quotes of my own :-) Jan 29 14:57
schestowitz It’s not announced yet < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index…. >, but it’s the third one that I set up in a third domain of mine. Wikemedia works better than anything I’ve tried in the past because it’s very simple yet feature rich. A form of microblogging or notetaking is handy too. Think of it as a journal where we can collect and find links and thoughts and in this case lots of antitrust smoking guns.. Jan 29 14:59
schestowitz We started this Wiki some weeks ago and it’s pretty valuable. But a Wiki is useful so long as it actually has a clear goal and outside contributors, so your help is required if you can spare some time. Jan 29 14:59
Eruaran I’m not sure where I’d start Jan 29 15:01
schestowitz We need texts from the PDFs mostly Jan 29 15:13
schestowitz Intel’s anti-Linux needs lots of work: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in… Jan 29 15:14
trmanco http://lwn.net/Articles/315804/ Jan 29 15:16
schestowitz Tuxmachines’ IP/DNS binding is still bad Jan 29 15:19
schestowitz No word about it that I could find in there… not many people read it in the interim Jan 29 15:20
schestowitz Watch the graph (top):… Jan 29 15:20
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schestowitz Jan 29 15:23
schestowitz KDE 4.2: I’m tired of Pundits, Here’s MY Take < http://randomtechoutburst.blogspot.com/2009/0… > Jan 29 15:27
schestowitz Eruaran: “So as of today I say: Viva la KDE! I think 4.2 is a major milestone, and I’m already looking forward to screwing around with the 4.3 betas in a few months. The real innovators in FOSS software are not making stupid rants like this one, but are making SVN and git commits even as I type this. To them I say thank you, and only listen to the critics if they file properly documented bug reports!” Jan 29 15:27
schestowitz Still downplaying the OOXML crimes: http://www.adjb.net/post/SC-34-Me… Jan 29 15:32
schestowitz Part of the Microsoft cronies brigade… Jan 29 15:32
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/6… Their engineers will hopefully do something useless to society by adding code to the GPL pool. Jan 29 15:48
schestowitz http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/2… Jan 29 15:52
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schestowitz wb, seller_liar Jan 29 16:10
seller_liar schestowitz: hello roy Jan 29 16:11
schestowitz Thanks for the help on the Wiki BTW Jan 29 16:11
schestowitz I’m gonna have to do lots more studying into Intel’s dirty tricks/crimes Jan 29 16:11
seller_liar schestowitz: Oh, but I have not finished Jan 29 16:12
schestowitz I’ve organised your/our work @ http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph… What’s needed now is some analysis of the PDFs there. Jan 29 16:12
schestowitz seller_liar: true. Jan 29 16:12
seller_liar schestowitz: Have you completed all days? Jan 29 16:12
schestowitz I finished 16 March, 2007 in  http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m… Jan 29 16:12
schestowitz I also uploaded all the PDFs (locally) one the ones you passed Jan 29 16:13
schestowitz March 17th onwards needed doing too Jan 29 16:13
schestowitz I’m also organising them as I go along, e.g. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/… Jan 29 16:13
seller_liar schestowitz: Put the link of Iowa page here ,I ‘ll do some days. Jan 29 16:15
schestowitz Polizei entfernt Tibet-Flagge aus Davoser Geschäft – Police removed Tibetan flag from Davos business  < http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&s… > Jan 29 16:16
schestowitz seller_liar: thanks a lot! Jan 29 16:16
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/text/ — I’ve done all until March 16 including that date. So 17th onwards needs passing to pages in the Wiki Jan 29 16:17
schestowitz Later we can organise them in sequence and I’ll upload the PDFs. Jan 29 16:17
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 29 16:17
schestowitz http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3… ” The researchers found that farmers who named their cows Betsy or Gertrude or Daisy improved their overall milk yield by almost 500 pints (284 liters) annually.” Silly headline. Jan 29 16:21
schestowitz Alaska volcano expected to erupt soon < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/01/29/alaska.volc… > Jan 29 16:23
schestowitz http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/so… and http://www.pcworld.com/article/158554/a… about dangerous blogging. Jan 29 16:28
schestowitz http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/29… “Michael Dell might think twice about dishing out a sales pitch to a world leader in the future after Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin very publicly dissed his patronising offer of help.” Jan 29 16:31
schestowitz Microsoft uses its partners to FUD main competitor: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Tru… Jan 29 16:36
seller_liar schestowitz: 17,18,19 done Jan 29 16:49
schestowitz Excellent! Jan 29 16:49
schestowitz Thank you Jan 29 16:50
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wasabi I think the Dream is a great phone. I have one. But it certainly is missing a lot of things that make it usable for business-types. Jan 29 17:18
wasabi I’m a bit surprised they haven’t been filled in yet, too. Jan 29 17:18
schestowitz I saw one too. Jan 29 17:23
schestowitz What is “business types”? Jan 29 17:24
wasabi people who want corporate calendars and email. Jan 29 17:29
wasabi and integrating with existing CRM systems, etc. Jan 29 17:30
wasabi I mean. I have one. It’s my main phone. Jan 29 17:30
wasabi I have the android dev device. Jan 29 17:30
wasabi No remote kill switch either. Jan 29 17:32
schestowitz Are there no Web-based solutions to these? Jan 29 17:46
schestowitz Fennec by the way is allegedly slated for realse next week. Finally something to replace proprietary Opera Jan 29 17:46
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schestowitz Hey Jan 29 18:07
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wasabi schestowitz: Web based solutions to corporate email? No. You can’t much have notifications with a browser. Jan 29 18:31
wasabi And a web based remote-kill makes no sense. :0 Jan 29 18:31
schestowitz You could install it locally on your server and customise it. Jan 29 18:35
wasabi Do what? Jan 29 18:50
flyback http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=097_1233174793 <— YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE MORONS Jan 29 19:12
schestowitz wasabi: install groupware on a server Jan 29 19:14
schestowitz I’m not sure about CRM. Jan 29 19:14
wasabi i don’t think this conversation is going anywhere. you’re missing my point. Jan 29 19:14
schestowitz I suppose you can’t replace a full-blown PC with a phone Jan 29 19:15
schestowitz But the phone can be a substitute for some task while away Jan 29 19:15
wasabi I’m doing nothing more than saying that Android is not ready for the corporation, like WiMo and the iPhone are. Jan 29 19:16
wasabi That’s all we’re talking about. Jan 29 19:16
wasabi Or all we were talking about. Jan 29 19:16
schestowitz Yes, I see the point Jan 29 19:17
schestowitz But Microsoft’s AU partner said it was “not robuest” Jan 29 19:17
schestowitz *robust Jan 29 19:18
wasabi Depends what he means by robust. Jan 29 19:18
wasabi Also, he spends most of this time praising the iPhone. I don’t really know hwo that is supposed to tie him to MS. Jan 29 19:21
schestowitz Yes, I noticed that Jan 29 19:24
schestowitz bbl Jan 29 19:54
schestowitz made loads of progress on the wiki Jan 29 19:54
schestowitz It’s funny to see how Microsoft competes… mafia mentality like Abramoff Jan 29 19:56
schestowitz They used to assign what they called “Attack Groups” to attack potential rivals Jan 29 19:56
schestowitz Now they seem to call it “taskforces”. Why compete or develop when you can set up teams whose aim is merely to attack (vandalise) smaller rivals? Jan 29 19:57
wasabi Seems reasonable to me. Jan 29 19:58
twitter “I’m doing nothing more than saying that Android is not ready for the corporation, like WiMo and the iPhone are.”  Windows Mobil is ready for what? Jan 29 20:07
wasabi Hmm? Jan 29 20:12
twitter What does Windows Mobil do for you that Android does not? Jan 29 20:16
MinceR it supports native apps Jan 29 20:16
wasabi <wasabi> people who want corporate calendars and email. Jan 29 20:16
wasabi and integrating with existing CRM systems, etc. Jan 29 20:16
wasabi I mean. I have one. It’s my main phone. Jan 29 20:16
wasabi I have the android dev device. Jan 29 20:16
wasabi No remote kill switch either. Jan 29 20:16
MinceR the android kill switch applies only to apps bought from the android market or whatever it’s called Jan 29 20:17
wasabi Not the same type of kill switch. Jan 29 20:17
wasabi WiMo lets me formate devices remotely when I fire somebody. Jan 29 20:17
wasabi Or when the device is reported stolen. Jan 29 20:17
twitter You are telling me that Google can’t do calendars and email?  That Windows Mobil does not have a kill switch? Jan 29 20:17
MinceR lol Jan 29 20:17
MinceR i didn’t know about that kill switch Jan 29 20:17
wasabi Stuff like that has been on Blackberry for ages… and in the last two years WiMo has adopted it all. Jan 29 20:18
wasabi It’s why it’s valuable. It’s why people buy them. Jan 29 20:18
twitter All non free software comes with explicit EULAs about “we can turn you off anytime for any reason”  What company would disobey if told they could no longer use an ap? Jan 29 20:18
wasabi Push policies too. Forced email on phone encryption. Jan 29 20:19
wasabi I can push a policy to all my phones that if somebody enters the wrong password 4 times, it formats itself. Jan 29 20:19
twitter Somehow, I don’t trust the “security” of a Windoze device that uses IE6. Jan 29 20:20
wasabi I can require applications that are installed on the phones to be signed by my CA. Jan 29 20:20
twitter a device that can’t be hooked up to the net is not ready for anything. Jan 29 20:21
MinceR twitter: that’s why you install opera on it Jan 29 20:21
MinceR :> Jan 29 20:21
twitter why not Familiar? Jan 29 20:22
twitter Angstrom, or any other OS? Jan 29 20:23
wasabi Because of all the stuff I justl isted? heh Jan 29 20:24
MinceR i’d like familiar but i need a device to run it on :> Jan 29 20:30
PetoKraus I think i’m gonna make a factory letter Jan 29 20:30
PetoKraus something on the lines of Jan 29 20:30
PetoKraus “dear webmaster. Your page is absolutely brilliant, but stop fucking using flash for navigation, you COCK!” Jan 29 20:31
PetoKraus and no, i’m not pissed off even at slightest Jan 29 20:31
PetoKraus these people should be forced to use Windows 95 without any sort of antivirus Jan 29 20:31
PetoKraus encapsulated in their own internets. Jan 29 20:32
PetoKraus haha! Jan 29 20:32
PetoKraus http://www.searchenginejournal.com/5-reaso… Jan 29 20:32
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twitter http://content.usatoday.com/communities/the… Jan 29 21:02
twitter ->  They can’t be “digging a bigger hole even as (taxpapers are) being asked to fill it up!” <- Oh yes they did. Jan 29 21:05
twitter “Deadlines are Looming” ha ha.  http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/2… Jan 29 21:12
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twitter ha ha, http://news.slashdot.org/fire… Jan 29 21:39
twitter Vista 7 rejected by Georgetown. Jan 29 21:39
seller_liar twitter: Georgetown is a english or french country? Jan 29 21:48
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wasabi Georgetown UIS says it will support the final version of Windows 7 after it’s released and been thoroughly tested. Jan 29 21:55
wasabi … why is that news? It’s saying “don’t install beta software” Jan 29 21:56
seller_liar twitter: Sorry city! Jan 29 21:56
wasabi What a silly article. They haven’t banned it, either. Jan 29 21:58
seller_liar twitter: Guyana is a ex english colony Jan 29 21:58
wasabi They’ve published a warning telling people to watch out because things might break. Jan 29 21:58
wasabi Amazing. Jan 29 21:58
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schestowitz wasabi: your risk is not format/no format Jan 29 22:18
schestowitz Your risk are people, regardless of whether they got fired or not Jan 29 22:19
schestowitz twitter: DC is too corrupt to regulate. The DoJ is more of a legal brothel. RMS too mocks them. Jan 29 22:21
wasabi I have no idea what that means. Jan 29 22:22
schestowitz Just seen the article about FraudStreet. Nothing will change until people stand up for change. Jan 29 22:23
schestowitz wasabi: DoJ? Jan 29 22:23
wasabi What? Jan 29 22:23
schestowitz Department of ‘Justice’ Jan 29 22:25
schestowitz /s/Justice/Cronies/ Jan 29 22:25
wasabi must build that Jan 29 22:26
wasabi Oops wrong window Jan 29 22:26
wasabi schestowitz: I never said anything about the DoJ. I really have no idea what you’re talking about. Jan 29 22:26
schestowitz Maybe someone will invade to liberate the country from abusive selfish elites ;-) Jan 29 22:27
schestowitz wasabi: I was referring to the articles (links) posted here earlier Jan 29 22:27
wasabi I never commented on them. Jan 29 22:27
schestowitz I have. :-) Jan 29 22:27
PetoKraus :) Jan 29 22:28
PetoKraus anyway Jan 29 22:28
PetoKraus i was thinking today (surprise surprise Jan 29 22:28
PetoKraus and i wrote about it in my blog, but since no one reads it… Jan 29 22:28
PetoKraus i was trying to figure out how could the system work without patents Jan 29 22:28
PetoKraus i mean, the idea of a patent is fairly good Jan 29 22:29
seller_liar PetoKraus: No it’s not Jan 29 22:29
wasabi I personally like patents. Jan 29 22:29
PetoKraus that is, the person who invents something would be able to cover the costs under the research Jan 29 22:29
seller_liar PetoKraus: No Jan 29 22:29
PetoKraus seller_liar: what Jan 29 22:29
seller_liar PetoKraus: If the person does not like to share,then do not publish the research Jan 29 22:30
PetoKraus it is kind of hard to do so Jan 29 22:30
PetoKraus if you invent new medication Jan 29 22:30
PetoKraus or something like that Jan 29 22:30
wasabi That’s hwo the world was before patents. Now we have patents, and people can publish the research, to benefit people. Jan 29 22:30
seller_liar seller_liar: “Researchers” like IBM , research only for close the knowledge Jan 29 22:31
PetoKraus frankly, the pesticide industry is for example so cluttered, because of patents Jan 29 22:31
seller_liar PetoKraus: : “Researchers” like IBM , research only for close the knowledge Jan 29 22:31
PetoKraus on the other hand, the research is quite costly and required Jan 29 22:31
PetoKraus so i have been thinking this way Jan 29 22:31
seller_liar PetoKraus: Don t research Jan 29 22:31
PetoKraus cancel patents as they work today Jan 29 22:31
PetoKraus create government and industry subsidized research centres Jan 29 22:31
wasabi I happen to be pretty much okay with how they work today. Jan 29 22:32
seller_liar PetoKraus: Yes, for researching do like W3C Jan 29 22:32
PetoKraus similar way how for example bookmakers and lotteries fund back sports clubs Jan 29 22:32
seller_liar PetoKraus: There’s no need for patents Jan 29 22:32
PetoKraus if you are not interested in what i have to say Jan 29 22:32
PetoKraus then say so frankly Jan 29 22:32
PetoKraus if yes Jan 29 22:32
schestowitz People who leverage patents to block others are happy with patents Jan 29 22:32
seller_liar PetoKraus: no sorry ,please continue Jan 29 22:32
PetoKraus then at least read what i write Jan 29 22:32
PetoKraus ofcourse patents as they work now are stupid Jan 29 22:33
schestowitz That’s like saying (but overstrecthing) that slavery is good because it makes efficient work. Jan 29 22:33
PetoKraus in everything, not in software Jan 29 22:33
schestowitz PetoKraus: can I patent this message? Jan 29 22:33
PetoKraus if there’s medication available and someone is able to make it cheap Jan 29 22:33
schestowitz If not, why not? Jan 29 22:33
PetoKraus then it’s his duty to do so, i’d say Jan 29 22:34
wasabi schestowitz: Your position is like saying we should not respect property rights. Jan 29 22:34
schestowitz schestowitz: there is no intellectual property. There are trademarks, copyrights, and patents Jan 29 22:34
PetoKraus therefore… if you split research and industry though Jan 29 22:34
schestowitz These are separate things Jan 29 22:34
wasabi All of which we call Intellectual Property. :0 Jan 29 22:34
schestowitz Each works different and has a different purpose Jan 29 22:34
PetoKraus wasabi: no we dont Jan 29 22:34
PetoKraus you may Jan 29 22:34
PetoKraus we dont Jan 29 22:35
schestowitz wasabi: no, that’s a sound bite Jan 29 22:35
wasabi I do. My lawyers do. Jan 29 22:35
wasabi Every lawyer I’ve ever met with does. Jan 29 22:35
wasabi So…. Jan 29 22:35
PetoKraus so? Jan 29 22:35
schestowitz Like calling counterfeiters pirates (people who rape and murder) Jan 29 22:35
schestowitz Property means something else. Jan 29 22:35
wasabi Words are not exclusively the property of Webster. Jan 29 22:35
wasabi They are the property of the common usage. Jan 29 22:35
schestowitz For example, when I say a word, I don’t own it. Jan 29 22:35
schestowitz It’s the movement of air that makes it Jan 29 22:36
wasabi What? Jan 29 22:36
PetoKraus the only thing i’d accept rights on are works of art and trademarks Jan 29 22:36
schestowitz Trademarks are recognition Jan 29 22:36
PetoKraus i’m not going to comment on copyrights, because that’s a different story Jan 29 22:36
wasabi IP means something. It means something to me. It means something to industry. It means somethign to people. It is a word used to refer to many different things. Jan 29 22:36
wasabi But that doesn’t mean it’s improper to use it. Jan 29 22:36
schestowitz Copyrights are exact implementations or renditions Jan 29 22:37
schestowitz Patents are thoughts Jan 29 22:37
PetoKraus wasabi: it’s usage is improper though Jan 29 22:37
wasabi Copyrights are thoughts too. Jan 29 22:37
wasabi As soon as I read your exact implementation, it’s protected by copyright, and I cannot express it as it exists in my head. Jan 29 22:37
schestowitz copyrights are too precise Jan 29 22:37
schestowitz They can’t be replicated by accident Jan 29 22:37
wasabi It is a thought. Jan 29 22:37
wasabi Sure they can. Jan 29 22:37
wasabi That’s why we have NDAs and clean rooms. Jan 29 22:37
schestowitz Moreover, re copyrights, there’s a snag Jan 29 22:37
schestowitz Everything we right is output based on input we typically get for free Jan 29 22:38
wasabi I have no idea what that means. Jan 29 22:38
schestowitz Should my teachers bill me per idea that they teach me and I use? Jan 29 22:38
schestowitz What is ‘commodity’ knowledge? Jan 29 22:38
schestowitz The lamp was not ‘invented overnight Jan 29 22:38
PetoKraus schestowitz: the 70 years old one Jan 29 22:38
PetoKraus but it depends on the country :P Jan 29 22:38
wasabi That’s too far of an analogy. Jan 29 22:38
schestowitz It took the work on many people to lay the foundations Jan 29 22:38
wasabi It does not apply to the situation at hand. Jan 29 22:38
schestowitz Why not? Jan 29 22:39
schestowitz Have you paid for each thing you learned? Jan 29 22:39
schestowitz If a mate at the bar tells me about an idea, should I pay him for it? Jan 29 22:39
wasabi But peopel don’t patent those. Jan 29 22:40
wasabi And I’m not advocating they do. Jan 29 22:40
wasabi Hence it’s irrelevent. Jan 29 22:40
schestowitz What do you think about DNA/genome patents? Jan 29 22:40
schestowitz Can I own human forms? Jan 29 22:40
schestowitz If it, say… ‘discover’ them? Jan 29 22:40
wasabi I don’t think you should be able to. Jan 29 22:40
wasabi To an extent. Jan 29 22:40
wasabi I think there is grey area here that needs to be worked out. Jan 29 22:41
wasabi Not just washed away. Jan 29 22:41
PetoKraus well Jan 29 22:41
schestowitz In pharmaceuticals, work that many women did for hundreds of years were stolen and then labeled property of some company. It’s very conventional to call it a sin if not a crime. Jan 29 22:41
PetoKraus in terms of patents Jan 29 22:41
PetoKraus i’d say they are ineffective Jan 29 22:41
PetoKraus and we should address the issue Jan 29 22:41
PetoKraus from scratch Jan 29 22:41
seller_liar PetoKraus: the final solution ,end of patents! Jan 29 22:41
schestowitz Good luck with that Jan 29 22:41
PetoKraus sure Jan 29 22:41
schestowitz They’s like overthrowing a rotten government Jan 29 22:41
seller_liar schestowitz: The second solution Jan 29 22:42
schestowitz People don’t give away the power they were granted Jan 29 22:42
PetoKraus but you need something instead Jan 29 22:42
PetoKraus that’s the only problem Jan 29 22:42
schestowitz People don’t just quit the government because they are corrupt Jan 29 22:42
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schestowitz They need to be tosse Jan 29 22:42
seller_liar schestowitz: Protect countries which already does not permit patents , Jan 29 22:42
schestowitz *d Jan 29 22:42
schestowitz seller_liar: that’s why we keep sw patents out of the EU Jan 29 22:42
PetoKraus well Jan 29 22:43
schestowitz But American companies plant their ‘cronies’ in here to loot Europe Jan 29 22:43
schestowitz it’s a typical routine of subversion from the inside Jan 29 22:43
PetoKraus as long as there is patents to any extent in europe Jan 29 22:43
PetoKraus it’s not correct solution Jan 29 22:43
seller_liar schestowitz: And my worst fear is EUA trties to spread patents in other counrttries Jan 29 22:43
PetoKraus for anything, not only SW Jan 29 22:43
schestowitz seller_liar: it does Jan 29 22:43
schestowitz Heard of Thiland Jan 29 22:43
seller_liar Using lobby , power and other things Jan 29 22:43
schestowitz Some a-hole from the UK tried to shove pharama patents into Thailand Jan 29 22:43
schestowitz They want to loot other countries and blackmail with people’s lives in stake Jan 29 22:44
PetoKraus you know, the main problem is Jan 29 22:44
schestowitz Thailand was so angry 2 years ago they it gave no samples for other countries to ‘study’ and patent (to extort Thailand) Jan 29 22:44
PetoKraus common people don’t know about these laws Jan 29 22:44
PetoKraus they are dumbed down by the term IP Jan 29 22:44
schestowitz We live in a sick society (equivocal) Jan 29 22:44
schestowitz Many people are ill Jan 29 22:45
PetoKraus for example, patents don’t apply outside of the country. Jan 29 22:45
schestowitz And they are forced to pay people on armchairs to live Jan 29 22:45
seller_liar PetoKraus:A society where ethics and laws is not important Jan 29 22:45
schestowitz It’s worse than slaverty Jan 29 22:45
schestowitz Some call it murder Jan 29 22:45
PetoKraus i bet I might be successful to sue someone plagiating my book even if he lives in us Jan 29 22:45
schestowitz seller_liar: of course not, consumerism counts Jan 29 22:45
schestowitz You work 8-6, then watch the adverts on the tube and are told what to think Jan 29 22:46
seller_liar schestowitz: But people must learn about ethics! Jan 29 22:46
wasabi I think things are fine. Jan 29 22:46
schestowitz The goal of maximisation of wealth at all  means. And making money is being a good person. In such countries, the biggest heroes are those with most wealth Jan 29 22:46
PetoKraus wasabi: in which area Jan 29 22:46
wasabi in any area. Jan 29 22:46
PetoKraus right Jan 29 22:46
seller_liar schestowitz: People should have toi spend 10% free time to learn ethics Jan 29 22:46
wasabi take any area, and look at it 50 years ago. Jan 29 22:46
schestowitz *by all means Jan 29 22:46
PetoKraus yes? Jan 29 22:46
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wasabi or 100, or 150. Jan 29 22:47
wasabi The world has never been better. Jan 29 22:47
schestowitz seller_liar: you can’t teach ethics Jan 29 22:47
seller_liar schestowitz: No? Jan 29 22:47
schestowitz Not as long as agenda and curricula are set by corporations. Jan 29 22:47
PetoKraus imagine now Jan 29 22:47
PetoKraus someone would have patented friedel-crafts acylation Jan 29 22:47
schestowitz The solution is regulations — a state where the country tames the industry, not vice versa Jan 29 22:47
PetoKraus 30 years ago Jan 29 22:47
schestowitz People these days patent s maths tooo Jan 29 22:48
PetoKraus the patent would be slowly wearing off by now i guess (depends on the country) Jan 29 22:48
PetoKraus but it being such an important process Jan 29 22:48
schestowitz It’s at stake because of Bilski, thankfully. Jan 29 22:48
PetoKraus you wouldn’t have half of the stuff around you, literally Jan 29 22:48
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seller_liar schestowitz: And the most worst thing is the destruction of public domain Jan 29 22:48
schestowitz Yes Jan 29 22:49
seller_liar schestowitz: Sonny bono et al  are pure lobby tactics Jan 29 22:49
schestowitz Books are written about it Jan 29 22:49
PetoKraus it’s the same with medications. We are just lucky patents weren’t here back then Jan 29 22:49
schestowitz I think I posted a link in BN last night Jan 29 22:49
PetoKraus i mean, paracetamol had been discovered in 1886 Jan 29 22:49
schestowitz Public domain equates to an infinite resource that renders the rest a commodity Jan 29 22:49
schestowitz Things like Flickr kills not only ‘professional’ photographers but also COrbis, Gerry, jupitermedia, and so on. Jan 29 22:50
schestowitz Wikipedia does much of the same to knowledge Jan 29 22:50
PetoKraus you know locking knowledge is stupid. Maybe except of works of art. Jan 29 22:50
schestowitz Knowledge of certain kinds can’t be owned Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus i tell you 5+5 is 10. but i tell you, that since I told you, you can’t tell anyone else for 10 years Jan 29 22:51
schestowitz Things like an Atlas for example Jan 29 22:51
seller_liar PetoKraus:No , mickey  must be free Jan 29 22:51
schestowitz People map the place, but they don’t own Earth Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus seller_liar: in terms of art Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus i’d say Jan 29 22:51
schestowitz Their rendition is theirs, not the object Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus non-commercial use? fuck off Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus commercial use? carry on and request royalties. Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus but what’s commercial use, then. Jan 29 22:51
schestowitz There was a lawsuit against that new Tom Cruise film because of Hitler’s globe (some guys who owns it uses copyrights) Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus :) Jan 29 22:51
PetoKraus valkyrie? Jan 29 22:52
schestowitz [opensuse-announce] KDE 4.2 in openSUSE Jan 29 22:52
schestowitz PetoKraus: yes Jan 29 22:52
seller_liar I was thinking …… Jan 29 22:52
schestowitz Glorification of war is back Jan 29 22:52
PetoKraus who’d watch tom cruise anyway Jan 29 22:52
seller_liar For protect the work against patents , there’s no need to patent the work Jan 29 22:52
schestowitz I reckon there might be a war in the next decade. Too many stupid fascistic countires… Jan 29 22:53
PetoKraus Katie Cruise, that’s different matter Jan 29 22:53
schestowitz I likes her in Dawson’s Creek. Jan 29 22:53
schestowitz *liked Jan 29 22:53
seller_liar For protect a work, it’s only need to register in some office Jan 29 22:53
PetoKraus well i liked her untill i had to listen to her Jan 29 22:53
PetoKraus that was just total fail Jan 29 22:53
PetoKraus she has such an annoying voice… Jan 29 22:53
seller_liar schestowitz: Cruise is only a pawn , a very rich pawn Jan 29 22:53
schestowitz I watched the show so many times, but I don’t know her real character Jan 29 22:54
seller_liar I don like stupid actors , they are very selfish Jan 29 22:54
schestowitz Cruise supports Scientology Jan 29 22:54
PetoKraus i’d go even further to say Jan 29 22:54
PetoKraus cruise IS scientology Jan 29 22:54
schestowitz At least he protested ahead of the invasion of Iraq Jan 29 22:54
seller_liar schestowitz: Actors does not do nothing agains bollywood Jan 29 22:54
seller_liar schestowitz: At cost of $$$$$ Jan 29 22:54
schestowitz Same with singers Jan 29 22:55
seller_liar schestowitz: Obama show uses taxes to pay stupid actors Jan 29 22:55
schestowitz If they speak out, they get the boot and the conglomerate goes out to some modeling agency to pick up a new girl who *might* be able to lip-synch Jan 29 22:55
schestowitz Obama is an actor Jan 29 22:56
seller_liar schestowitz: a Marionette Jan 29 22:56
PetoKraus i dunno what to think about him Jan 29 22:56
schestowitz He is a front man for the same government that has ruled for half a century Jan 29 22:56
PetoKraus i hope i won’t have to think anything about him Jan 29 22:56
PetoKraus it’d be just good for him Jan 29 22:56
schestowitz Bush too was an actor Jan 29 22:56
seller_liar schestowitz: But it’s better than cruel  bush Jan 29 22:57
PetoKraus yeah, and a good one Jan 29 22:57
seller_liar schestowitz: But bush if far moire crazy ,and cruel Jan 29 22:57
schestowitz With the fake Texan accent, possible deliberate mispronunciations, the talks about rhe ranch in Texas and so on Jan 29 22:57
seller_liar schestowitz: Bush helped exxon and other oil companies killing people Jan 29 22:57
schestowitz ['poor' Bush attacked by all those filthy rich people who drink wine and eat frogs] Jan 29 22:58
seller_liar schestowitz: And whar angers me is the american people does not do nothing/ Jan 29 22:58
schestowitz seller_liar: but not killing American people Jan 29 22:58
schestowitz The selfish thinker is OK for those who vote for him Jan 29 22:58
schestowitz Merely being a reflection of another’s personal intrests Jan 29 22:58
schestowitz seller_liar: television makes a barrier Jan 29 22:59
schestowitz Ask twitter Jan 29 22:59
schestowitz He saw how his relatives get brainwashed. It’s too easy to get carried away when the peer get mentally recruited by the television sets Jan 29 22:59
schestowitz *peers Jan 29 22:59
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seller_liar schestowitz: But internet can change this Jan 29 23:00
seller_liar schestowitz: We need a boycottt planet!!!! Jan 29 23:00
schestowitz Independent media is suppressed and in some cases shut down by the danger introduced by stronger libel law (esp. in the UK) Jan 29 23:00
schestowitz seller_liar: create one Jan 29 23:00
schestowitz There is a limit to one’s capacity Jan 29 23:00
schestowitz Or you can help me out in BN Jan 29 23:00
schestowitz We reach millions, so the more information we can deliver, the better Jan 29 23:01
seller_liar schestowitz:About wiki, have done some day? Jan 29 23:02
schestowitz George Soros: I made money from the Crisis < http://www.thomascrampton.com/uncategorized/ge… > Jan 29 23:02
schestowitz Woohoo! So the looter rejoices Jan 29 23:02
schestowitz seller_liar: yes, thank you Jan 29 23:02
schestowitz See how I improved the front page Jan 29 23:02
schestowitz We can jointly compose things there. Eventually all to be published Jan 29 23:02
schestowitz As property crimes increase, more neighbors are on patrol < http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090… > Jan 29 23:04
schestowitz Militias rise in the US Jan 29 23:04
schestowitz http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/dev… Development of Arabic localized OpenOffice.org: help needed Jan 29 23:05
schestowitz LMAO: Six-year-olds fingerprinted by Britain < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf… > Jan 29 23:06
schestowitz Send them to Guatamala Bay and call it a day.:-D Jan 29 23:06
schestowitz *Guantanamo Jan 29 23:06
PetoKraus guatamala bay Jan 29 23:08
PetoKraus :D Jan 29 23:08
schestowitz I type fast Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus Don’t give a shit about the temperature in Guatemala Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus Don’t really see what all the fuss is about Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus Ain’t gonna worry about no future generations Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus And I’m sure somebody’s gonna figure it out Jan 29 23:09
schestowitz Does Guatamala have a bay/beach? Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus —- Nine Inch Nails – Capital G Jan 29 23:09
schestowitz Is that on the playlist in GB? Jan 29 23:09
schestowitz Sound torture? Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus not really Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus but yes Jan 29 23:09
PetoKraus ^^ it was different one Jan 29 23:10
PetoKraus i thought playlist in GB you meant some Jan 29 23:10
PetoKraus chart in UK Jan 29 23:10
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatamala Jan 29 23:10
schestowitz Yes, they have a shoreline Jan 29 23:10
schestowitz Two even… Jan 29 23:10
PetoKraus that doesn’t mean they’d have a beach :P Jan 29 23:10
schestowitz Guatamala ‘bays’… Jan 29 23:10
schestowitz http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=mo… Jan 29 23:11
schestowitz http://misheli.image.pbase.com/u33/… Jan 29 23:11
schestowitz Is that a prison facility on the mole? ;-) Jan 29 23:11
schestowitz This one came up as well: Jan 29 23:12
schestowitz Guatamala Bay Gestapo: http://www.norceca.org/Campeonatos%20M-F%20Juve… Jan 29 23:12
schestowitz http://lwn.net/Articles/314826/ (Python slithers into Wesnoth) Jan 29 23:13
twitter “All of which we call Intellectual Property. :0″  ha ha.  We is wrong.  Imaginary property is a government created thing for a specific purpose.  Talking about copyright, patents and trade marks together is senseless, but you like Windows too… Jan 29 23:17
twitter “He saw how his relatives get brainwashed [by TV].” badly! Jan 29 23:19
schestowitz The TERROR~1 are wondering out in Washington DC’s streets, scheming the assassinate the president, eh? Jan 29 23:24
schestowitz And Vietnam is an immediate threat to the American public, much like those nuclear weapons that Saddam can use to nuke England within 40 minutes. *rolls eyes* Jan 29 23:25
schestowitz We’ve just made a front pager in LT. Second in two days. :-D Give me some days to organise my notes and I’ll do them by the truckload… http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde… Jan 29 23:29
schestowitz See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… there is a new scam which is related to the paid-for “recommends Vista” scam. Microsoft will try the same with Vista7. It hasn’t any shame. Jan 29 23:34
schestowitz The denialists’ propaganda is paying off: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8166 (Public Cooling on Global Warming) Jan 29 23:36
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